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1999/11/14 18:02:59
Wolfgang Fred Rump
Re: Grandfather Left To Avoid The Army
Datum 1999/11/14 18:52:42
Thomas Salein
Re: Black Hussars Guard
1999/11/14 06:23:34
Mary Popovich
Re: Revolution of 1848
Betreff 1999/11/27 15:17:22
Wolfgang Naujocks
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1999/11/14 18:02:59
Wolfgang Fred Rump
Re: Grandfather Left To Avoid The Army
Autor 1999/11/15 03:42:51
Wolfgang Fred Rump
Re: Elbing/Bonin

Re: Revolution of 1848

Date: 1999/11/14 18:47:03
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)...

On 13 Nov 99, at 22:21, Mary Popovich wrote:

> The 1848 revolution was not a peasants' revolt. On the contrary, many
> of Germany's intelligentsia were part of it, particularly college
> students. I happened to be in college during the early 1970s studying
> 19th century European history and found that things don't change much.
> The students referred to the German police as pigs back then, and
> burned a pig's tail as a symbol of their contempt for civil authority.
> This happened at Heidelburg University.

Correct. This is in connection with the question as to why a family 
would leave in 1854 for being on the "wrong side". 

As I was paging through my newest aquisition, the Elbing/Grunau 
book, the dictatorial lifestyle people tried to resist came through 
again loud and clear. 

A couple examples: Adolph Phillips *2 Feb., 1813 in Königsberg, 
+29 Mar., 1877 Elbing. He was the son of a James Phillips of 
Birmingham. Was Oberlandesgerichtsassesor and appointed to the 
Elbing city council and various other titles. In 1843 he was named 
Lordmayor (Oberbürgermeister) of Elbing. Since Phillips 
participated in some of the deliberations of 1848 and the city 
council itself was on the side of more democracy a lingering battle 
between the city and the royal administration in Marienwerder 
lasted for years. Finally in 1853 Phillips was canned. He was made 
to resign and there were no bones made about why. He simply was 
too democratic for the king's taste. There are several pages 
devoted to this account. Escapes from the police via Schnellboot to 
Kahlberg and on and on. All of this came from the files of the 
Geheime Staatsarchiv Berlin-Dahlem where the the various persons 
who were deemed dangerous to the crown because of their political 
convictions had to be transferred, silenced or otherwise be 
eliminated from their seats of influence. All this 'zur Herstellung 
eines besseren Geistes unter der Bevölkerung Elbings' as the 
Landtagsabgeordeter Eduard Birkner-Cadinen wrote. Censorship, 
withdrawal of printing privileges, withholding of funds owed to the 
city fathers - all these were part of the repression of dissent in just 
one little city in West Prussia. 

Jacon von Riesen was another of the many who were influencial, 
wealthy and among the intelligencia. He owned shipping 
companies, newspapers and sat on city council. In 1831 he wrote 
a petition to the king for a more representative government as per 
the kings own cabinett order of 2 May, 1815. His request for 'eine 
repräsentative Verfassung nach solchen Grundsätzen, wie die 
jetzige Zeit erfordert' also became the end of his political carrier. 
Even in 1831 the fear of repression was so severe that only one 
other person, the merchant Heinrich from Königsberg, joined him in 
his request with his signature. The response from the Minister of 
the Interior von Rochow was summary in that a mere subject of the 
king has no understanding of the situation: "daß es dem 
Untertanen nicht zieme, die Handlungen des Staatsoberhauptes an 
den Maßstab seiner beschränkten Einsicht anzulegen". From this 
note came the satirical comment which the Elbingers kept dear to 
their hearts and what they called: das gepflügelte Wort vom 
beschränkten Untertanenverstande. (ie the limited capability to 
understand things by a subject of the state). 

Prussian history is full of this type of represession of the individual 
spirit. Von Riesen was so disgusted that he wanted to join his 
older brother in America. He had already visited him in 1811 and 
now thought it was time to remove himself also but his business 
interests kept him in Elbing until he died in 1864. 

One could go on with example after example to show some of the 
other reasons people left for other countries where censorship and 
governmental repression did not exist. Freedom was not just a 
slogan to these people.