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[OL]Oldenburger History

Date: 2000/07/31 20:38:38
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Maybe it is wise to inform people about the history of Oldenburg. I have some fragments but really became curious 
to understand the discussion about different sides of Oldenburg. Is there a web site or should a website be made ?
Any litterature on the web?
 
Paul
 
 

[OL]Familie HOLLAH

Date: 2000/07/31 21:32:37
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

31-7-00

Ich habe vor kurzem erst diese Seiten entdeckt und denke, dass sie mir eine 
Hilfe bei der Fortsetzung meiner Ahnenforschung sein werden!

Ich suche sämtliche Informationen über die Familie HOLLAH, deren Ursprung in 
BROKSTREEK bei LÖNINGEN liegt. 
"Unser" Zweig der Familie ist Ende des 18. Jahrhunderts nach OSTERESSEN bei 
ESSEN gekommen.

Also: Wer immer Daten über irgendeine/n HOLLAH oder HOLLAE oder HOLLA oder 
HOLLAUE (so die verschiedenen Schreibweisen in den Kirchenbüchern) aus 
Löningen oder Essen oder sonstwo hat, darf sie mir gerne mailen!
Danke!
Ansgar Hollah

Ansgar(a)Hollah.de
Cyclopstraße 9
13469 Berlin

Whoever has any information about people named HOLLAH, HOLLA, HOLLAE, HOLLAUE 
of LÖNINGEN or ESSEN - please mail them to
Ansgar(a)Hollah.de
Thanx

PS: Erste Ergebnisse meiner Ahnenforschung habe ich ins Netz gestellt. Unter
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
findet sich nicht nur der Stammbaum. Vielmehr versuche ich auch die mir 
verfügbaren Informationen über die Lebensumstände meiner Vorfahren 
einzuarbeiten.
Kommentare sind erwünscht!



Re: [OL]Ortmann

Date: 2000/08/01 03:14:23
From: Lora Kalbli <kalblial(a)one.net>

Thank you very much for your prompt reply.  My Great Grandfather was Bernard
Ortman (I thought perhaps the Bernd might have
been his name prior to immigating.)  Your information would rule out the
Suding connection.  The year of birth is on his tombstone as 1834.  Old
family history tells us he fled Oldenburg to avoid military service in 1856.
These dates are also in a "History of Decatur County, Indiana" book where
the family wrote the information for publication themselves.  My 83 year old
Aunt Ruth  (the family historian) has pictures (names on back) of Daniel
Joseph and Arnold, however, another family chart lists Bernard's brothers as
James and John. I have put more faith in the pictures as the probable names.

 My Bernard settled (after 2 years in Cincinnati working in a boiler
factory) in Millhousen, Indiana.  A real pioneer German and very Catholic
settlement founded by Fr. Joseph Ferneding, along with Oldenburg, Indiana.
Fr.  Ferneding was from Holdorf emigrating in 1832.  If it was likely to
have followed immigration trends into 1850's I think that my Bernard very
likely was from the Holdorf area.

I will make time to go to the LDS headquarters in my area and search some
more.

Thank you again for your help.  Glad to know this was a dead end.

Lora


----- Original Message -----
From: <Dem13(a)aol.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Ortmann


> Hi Lora,
>
> Sorry to tell you this, but the Bernd Heinrich Ortmann who was born April
13,
> 1834 died February 2, 1836, making it impossible for him to be your
ancestor.
>  However, both Ortmann and Suding are Holdorf farm names, so you're quite
> likely in the right parish.
>
> If I may ask, where did you get your year of birth and how accurate is it?
> If it was from the census, couldn't he have also been born the year before
or
> after (depending on his birth date and the census date)?  I ask this
because
> the only other male Ortmann child born in 1834 was a Johan Bernd Henrich
> Curre s Tepe Ortmann who also died as a child in 1835.
>
> There were two Ortmann boys born in 1835 who could be your ancestor.
There
> was Bernd Henrich Ortmann born February 22, 1835 to Hermann Ortmann and
Anna
> Maria von Handorf, and Johan Bernd born July 19, 1835 to Johan Henrich
> Ortmann und Catharina Meyer (this couple was married June 21, 1827 and did
> not have sons by either of the names you listed above between 1827 and
1835).
>  I do not find death records for either of these boys/men in Holdorf, but
> they could easily have both lived past 1875 if they survived to adulthood
> (1875 is the date beyond which death records were not filmed).
>
> Of these two, I would bet on the Johan Bernd being your ancestor if he
went
> by the name Bernd.  In the U.S. at this time, Germans usually went by
their
> middle name and not their first name.  It is my understanding the custom
was
> the same in Germany, but one of the Germans on the list would have to
verify
> this.
>
> The best way to identify your ancestor (at least to my thinking) would be
to
> go through the birth records to find the siblings you mentioned.  Arnold
> (Arnd) Joseph sounds like a fairly common name for Holdorf, but I think a
> Daniel would stick out.  (How did you get information about brothers if
they
> stayed behind?)  If you're pretty sure about the siblings, and they don't
> show up in Holdorf, I'd start checking the surrounding parishes.  If
you're
> not sure about the siblings, you could perhaps eliminate one or both of
the
> above possible ancestors if they had records in Holdorf after the 1856
> emigration date you mentioned (such as a marriage or child's birth).
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Don
>
> p.s.  Where in the U.S. did your Bernd settle?
>
>
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Re: [OL]Ortmann

Date: 2000/08/01 03:17:54
From: Lora Kalbli <kalblial(a)one.net>

Dear Josie,

Thank you for your help and prompt reply.  My Ortmanns are from Millhousen,
Indiana and have stayed in the area as far as we have been able to discern.

Thanks again,

Lora

----- Original Message -----
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Ortmann


>
> There are Ortmans around Remsen, Iowa and many connections in that town to
> the oldenburg area.  Use the white pages and look for Donald there. He or
> his wife sandy might be able to help.
>
>
> >From: "Lora Kalbli" <kalblial(a)one.net>
> >Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> >To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> >Subject: [OL]Ortmann
> >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:37:08 -0400
> >
> >Looking for information about Bernard Ortmann from "Oldenburg" and his
> >ancestors; or descendants of his brothers who remained in Oldenburg.
I
> >do not know if it is the Grand Duchy Oldenburg or the town in Holstein.
He
> >was born in 1834 and emigrated to the United States in 1856--possibly to
> >avoid military conscription.  He left behind two brothers, Daniel Ortmann
> >and Arnold Joseph Ortmann.  I am pretty certain he was baptized in the
> >Catholic Church.
> >
> >LDS records show a Bernd Ortmann born April 13, 1834 in Holdorf, Vechta,
> >Oldenburg, Preussen., son of Johann Heinrich Ortmann and Maria Catharina
> >Suding of Holdorf, Oldenburg, Preussen.  Not sure if this is a proper
> >connection.
> >
> >Any assistance is very much appreciated.
> >
> >Lora
>
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[OL]Hohenkirchen, Jever district

Date: 2000/08/01 04:32:51
From: Peter Taylor <pbt(a)stevensons.co.nz>

I am seeking clarification on 'Hohenkirchen'. Would this be a small
town, a farm ?? When did Oldenburg become part of the German federation?

I am trying to construct a brief history of this, my gggfather's
birthplace in 1840, but am struggling to get it into historical
perspective. He left Germany in 1857, after his mother had died, and his
father remarried. Apart from the possible personal reasons, what social
influences would be present to make a single 17yrold lad leave his
homeland and come to New Zealand

And, am I right in thinking that Jever's main claim to fame at present
is the brewery?(and can I have a count on how many people I've
offended?)

And then, I have an itchy spot on my back. Can someone scratch it.  And
a coffee please, white & one sugar:-)

Cheers

Peter Taylor
Auckland, New Zealand

> Johann Heinrich Eduard OTTEN, b. Jever, duchy of Oldenburg, 15.11.1840,
> son of Peter Gerriets OTTEN & Elizabeth Maria Frederike (nee SCHMIDT),
> who departed from Bremerhaven to Malaga (Malaya?) aboard the Dutch
> vessel "Emstree" during the month of May 1857.
>
> Ad in German newspaper: Jever'sches Wochenblatt 1876
>
>     "The undersigned, former place of residence Hohenkirchen, Jever
> district, duchy of Oldenburg, currently residing in New Zealand,
> Westport.....wishes to determine if any member of his family is still
> alive. Johann Heinrich Eduard OTTEN, Westport, New Zealand
>



Re: [OL]Ortmann

Date: 2000/08/01 04:46:20
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Lora, 

Good luck with your further research.  

If you are living in the Batesville/Oldenburg Indiana area, I'm not sure if 
your LDS center has all the Oldenburg areas films on hand.  We have people 
from Indianapolis and Batesville come to our center in Cincinnati from time 
to time because we have most of the Oldenburger Munsterland films on 
permanent loan.  We have all the films for Holdorf, as well as Damme, 
Neuenkirchen and Dinklage (the surrounding parishes) on permanent loan.  You 
may want to try it if your center doesn't have the films.  

Again, good luck,

Don


Re: [OL]Familie HOLLAH

Date: 2000/08/01 05:04:46
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 31 Jul 2000, at 15:22, AHollah(a)aol.com wrote:

> Ich suche sämtliche Informationen über die Familie HOLLAH, deren
> Ursprung in BROKSTREEK bei LÖNINGEN liegt. "Unser" Zweig der Familie
> ist Ende des 18. Jahrhunderts nach OSTERESSEN bei ESSEN gekommen.

Brokstreek bei Löningen? Gehört schon immer zu Essen. Liegt 
also direkt an der Langen Str. nach Quakenbrück und grenzt daran 
mit Gut Vehr und Hendlage.   Oder gab es in Löningen auch ein 
Brokstreek? 

> Also: Wer immer Daten über irgendeine/n HOLLAH oder HOLLAE oder HOLLA
> oder HOLLAUE (so die verschiedenen Schreibweisen in den
> Kirchenbüchern) aus Löningen oder Essen oder sonstwo hat, darf sie mir
> gerne mailen! Danke! Ansgar Hollah
> 
> Ansgar(a)Hollah.de
> Cyclopstraße 9
> 13469 Berlin

Kennst Du das Buch Essener Bauernhöfe bei Clemens Bröring? 
Oh, ich denke Du bist garnicht in diser Liste und wirst die 
Antworten garnicht bekommen. Melde Dich mal schnell an:

http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo-e/Oldenburg-L

Jedenfalls findest Du dort den Kötter in Felde, Johan Hermann 
Bernhard Hollah aus Osteressen. (*22.6.1846 +25.3.1917) und oo 
10.5.1881 mit Maria Anna Bernadine Wille Hoferbein in Felde.
Diese hatten 3 Kinder. Einer ist im 1. Weltkrieg vermisst und die 
andern zwei sind schon früh und ledig gestorben. Die Stelle mit der 
Hälfte der Ländereien erbte der Vetter Bernd Hinrich August 
Hollah, der sie 1927 an seinen Sohn Felix übertrug; die andere 
Hälfte erbte die Cousine Wilhelmine Menslage geb. Hollah in 
Essen-Wiek. Aber das weißt Du bestimmt schon alles. Menslagen 
waren unsere Nachbarn an der Kirchstr in Essen. 

Es steht nämlich geschrieben: Eine Tochter des Ehepaares Fieke-
Buddecke heiratete 1801 Joan Bernard Hollah, Sohn des Johan 
Henrich Hollah in Lö-Brokstreek und der Anna Maria Adelheid 
Windhaus. Es kann sein das es ein Essener Brokstreek und ein 
Löninger-Brokstreek gegeben hat - beide aber im Kirchspiel 
Essen. Den Brok den ich kenne liegt ganz im Süden der 
Gemeinde. 

In der Topographischen Landkarte von Oldenburg um 1860 finden 
wir Hollah Hofe in Osteressen (also östlich von Dorf) und ganz im 
westlichen Zipfel was vieleicht Lö-Broksteek hieß. 

Die Familie stammt aber wahrscheinlich ursprünglich aus Löningen 
den Joan Henrich Hollah aus dem Kirchspiel Löningen heiratete 
am 11.5.1761 die Gesina Christina Wielage aus Brokstreek. Die 
Der Hof im westlichen Kirschspiel ist wohl dieser frühere Wielage 
Hof.

> PS: Erste Ergebnisse meiner Ahnenforschung habe ich ins Netz gestellt.
> Unter http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm findet sich
> nicht nur der Stammbaum. Vielmehr versuche ich auch die mir
> verfügbaren Informationen über die Lebensumstände meiner Vorfahren
> einzuarbeiten. Kommentare sind erwünscht!

So etwas ist leicht zu erfahren. Eine Fahrt ins Cloppenburger 
Museumsdorf und dort ein paar Bücher anlegen sollte die Sache 
klären. 

Fred


26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]Oldenburger History

Date: 2000/08/01 05:25:48
From: Cloudhoper <Cloudhoper(a)aol.com>

Type Oldenburg into a search machine. You may find something. 

Try:http://www3.oldenburg.de/ol/


[OL]Oldenburg

Date: 2000/08/01 07:42:47
From: Jan Wilson <bbbjwilson(a)effectnet.com>

Hello...
 
I am new to the list and want to see if anyone has any clues...leads on the Tepe Family. I am researching Henry Tepe who was born in Bremen, Oldenburg, Germany abt 1824. He came to America as oral family history goes...with two sisters with one staying in Illinois and the other coming to St. Louis Missouri. Henry Tepe married Sarah Evans (MRS) and live in Douglas CO., Missouri until he died. I am frustrated with this line as I can find no other info on this family...
 
Please visit my website at:
 
http:www.ultimatefamilytree.com/UFT/WebPages/jansfam/JANSFAM/index.htm
 
If you can help I will be grateful and can add to this family.
 
Jan Wilson, Vancouver, Washington
 

[OL]Vorname des Pastors Frye aus Lindern gesucht

Date: 2000/08/01 09:45:53
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hallo zusammen,

hat jemand aus der Liste zufaellig die weiteren Vornamen des Pastors
Anton Frye parat, der um 1784 in Lindern (westlich von Cloppenburg)
taetig gewesen sein muss? 
Meine Vermutung ist, dass er Johan Josef Anton geheissen hat, aber ich
suche noch einen Nachweis.

Vielen Dank fuer euere Hilfe.

Hi,

does anybody know the other first names of the priest Anton Frye, who
was busy in Lindern (west of Cloppenburg) in 1784? 
I suppose that his complete name was Johan Josef Anton, but I need any
proof for this.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Juergen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38100 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


[OL]ReRe: Familie HOLLAH

Date: 2000/08/01 10:08:31
From: Hollah, Ansgar <Ansgar.Hollah(a)cducsu.bundestag.de>

Hallo Fred!
1) Brokstreek ist wohl zweigeteilt: Ein Teil gehört zu Essen, der andere zu
Löningen. Auch kirchlich gehört der östliche Teil zu Löningen. Daher finden
sich im Löninger Kirchenbuch von 1639 auch viele Hollahs. Einen Teil der
Daten habe ich ja schon ins Netz gestellt. Immer, wenn Du als Geburtsort
"Hollah" oder "Löningen" liest, kommt die Information aus dem Löninger
Kirchenbuch. Da die Hollahs in Lö-Brokstreek südlich der Hase wohnen, lebten
sie in einem Gebiet, dass zwischen Münster und Osnabrück umstritten war.
Eine Zeit lang gehörten sie wohl auch zur Pfarre Menslage - dort habe ich
aber nichts gefunden.

2) In Essen tauchen die Hollahs erst auf, nachdem Joan Bernard Hollah (der
jüngste Sohn der Lö-Brokstreeker) die (Witwi?) Fiecke geheiratet hat.
Seitdem finden sich Hollahs in Osteressen. Von diesem Zweig stamme ich ab.

3) Was genau ist denn ein "Brok"?

4) Der Hof Hollah im Löninger Brokstreek scheint schon sehr lange zu
bestehen, denn er taucht schon in einem Steuerregister von 1275 auf. Diese
Quelle muss ich aber noch ´mal genau lesen, um bessere Auskünfte machen zu
können. Bislang aber gehe ich jedenfalls davon aus, dass der Ursprung der
Familie im Löninger Brokstreek ist.

5) Warum es im Cornwall / England auch Familien mit dem Namen Hollah gibt
(heute meistens HOLLOW), weiß ich nicht. Ich glaube aber nicht, dass es da
Verknüpfungen gibt.

6) Das Bröring-Buch über die Essener Bauernhöfe kenne ich. Es enthält
allerdings einige Fehler. Meine Daten sind aus den Original-Kirchenbüchern
in Löningen und Essen bzw. aus den Abschriften im Offizialat in Vechta. Und
als nächstes kaufe ich mir die "Ortschronik 1150 Jahre Lönigen". Hat mir die
Karin Jacob empfohlen - DANKE!

7) Und jetzt versuche ich, diesen Text in die Mailing-Liste zu bekommen.
Dort bin ich als "Ansgar(a)Hollah.de" seit einigen Tagen eingetragen und muss
den Umgang mit der Technik erst noch üben. Aber das wird schon noch!

Auf jeden Fall vielen Dank für Deine Post!

Ansgar Hollah, Cyclopstraße 9, 13469 Berlin, +49 (0)30 409 122-10 (Telefon),
-20 (Fax)
1-8-00


Besten Gruß!
Ansgar Hollah




Re: [OL]Vorname des Pastors Frye aus Lindern gesucht

Date: 2000/08/01 14:28:48
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Jürgen,
 in Oldenburg im Staatsarchiv gibt es ein Verzeichnis aller oldenburger Pfarrer 
seit....??? Dort ist neben dem Lebenslauf meist auch ein wenig über die Familie 
mit zu finden, so sie denn kirchlich relevant war. Der vollständige Name und 
Geburts- sowie Sterbeort steht in jedem Fall mit drin.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
> hat jemand aus der Liste zufaellig die weiteren Vornamen des Pastors
> Anton Frye parat, der um 1784 in Lindern (westlich von Cloppenburg)
> taetig gewesen sein muss? 
> Meine Vermutung ist, dass er Johan Josef Anton geheissen hat, aber ich
> suche noch einen Nachweis.
>
> Vielen Dank fuer euere Hilfe.
>
> Hi,
>
> does anybody know the other first names of the priest Anton Frye, who
> was busy in Lindern (west of Cloppenburg) in 1784? 
> I suppose that his complete name was Johan Josef Anton, but I need any
> proof for this.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Juergen
> -- 
> -------------------=======######======-------------------
> Juergen Drees                          38100 Braunschweig
> mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany
>
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Re: [OL]Vorname des Pastors Frye aus Lindern gesucht

Date: 2000/08/01 18:32:23
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 1 Aug 2000, at 14:19, Ingrid Heine wrote:

> Hallo Jürgen,
>  in Oldenburg im Staatsarchiv gibt es ein Verzeichnis aller
>  oldenburger Pfarrer 
> seit....??? Dort ist neben dem Lebenslauf meist auch ein wenig über
> die Familie mit zu finden, so sie denn kirchlich relevant war. Der
> vollständige Name und Geburts- sowie Sterbeort steht in jedem Fall mit
> drin. Liebe Grüße Ingrid 

>> hat jemand aus der Liste zufaellig die
>> weiteren Vornamen des Pastors > Anton Frye parat, der um 
>>1784 in Lindern (westlich von Cloppenburg) taetig gewesen sein 
>> muss? 
>> Meine Vermutung ist, dass er Johan Josef Anton geheissen hat, 
>> aber ich suche noch einen Nachweis. 

According to parish information for St Catherine of Siena in Lindern 
(name since 1970),  the pastor after Heinrich Meyer (1741-1754) 
was Karl Gottfried Frye who died in 1788.  He was followed by 
Johann Heinrich Bredemeyer (1789-1828) and then Johann Georg 
Schade (1856-1878). 

Wo kommt denn der Anton Name her?

Fred

 
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]Hohenkirchen, Jever district

Date: 2000/08/01 19:33:22
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 1 Aug 2000, at 14:20, Peter Taylor wrote:

> I am seeking clarification on 'Hohenkirchen'. Would this be a small
> town, a farm ?? When did Oldenburg become part of the German
> federation?

The settlements way up there near the North Sea were agricultural 
marshland or fisherman's villages. Hohenkirchen is an old Frisian 
place whose church dates way back to the beginning of the 13th 
century. The altar dates back to circa 1620. The church's name is 
St Sixtus and Sinicius. Today the area is called the Wangerland 
within the Jeverland or Friesland. The latter two being old political 
areas. Wangerland is the name of the Gemeinde which today 
includes Hohenkirchen.   

> I am trying to construct a brief history of this, my gggfather's
> birthplace in 1840, but am struggling to get it into historical
> perspective. He left Germany in 1857, after his mother had died, and
> his father remarried. Apart from the possible personal reasons, what
> social influences would be present to make a single 17yrold lad leave
> his homeland and come to New Zealand

Tough to answer why someone would go to New Zealand instead of 
some other place. You have to remember that this area was full of 
shipping and sailor types who worked and sailed out of the nearby 
Weser river to go to all kinds of places all over the world. Maybe he 
just signed up on a ship and got stuck in NZ without all that much of 
a plan. Basic reason would probably be a better opportunity 
elsewhere.  The area was poor to say the least. 

As to the history - the Herrschaft Jever was not part of the old 
Grafschaft and later Duchy of Oldenburg until it came via Russian 
Zarist inheritance connections to Oldenburg in the 1818-1823 time 
period. Oldenburg did have adminstrative charge of the area since 
1813 though. So, when your ancestor was born there he was an 
Oldenburger but his parents still knew the place as Jeverland and 
independent of larger powers. Within the Herrschaft Hohenkirchen 
funktioned as a Vogtei but with integration it became part of Amt 
Tettens within Oldenburg which later was simply included in a much 
larger Amt Jever which again matched the original Jeverland 
territory. Later still under the Nationalist Socialist government the it 
came to be called Friesland and was enlarged with the old Amt 
Neuenburg and Amt Varrel as well as the Vogtei Varrel.

Hohenkirchen was a rather large Kirchspiel encompassing over 39 
sq Km in area but due to the sparse settlement only 1500 people 
lived in the entire parish juristriction in 1791. The entire country of 
the Herrschaft Jever only had a population of 14,581 in that time.   

There were 4 distinct Bauernschaften in Hohenkirchen and your 
ancestor could have been from any one of them. In local parley 
farmsteads were called Rott and several Roots would make up a 
Bauernschaft or group of farms. The areas were 
A) Punnenser-Rott, Grimmenser Rott and the Süder Rott
B) the Groden District
C) Johann Meiners Rott, Hoffinger Rott and Medernser Rott
D) Werder Rott and Siels Rott

> And, am I right in thinking that Jever's main claim to fame at present
> is the brewery?(and can I have a count on how many people I've
> offended?)

No, Jever has quite a bit more than a brewery but even that can not 
be counted as a claim to fame. It's really just northsea coastal 
territory which today offers vacation homes and a way to the island 
of Wangerooge which used to belong to Hohenkirchen. It became 
its own community in 1885. 

Fred



26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]Oldenburger History

Date: 2000/08/01 19:35:43
From: Sietske Hoogerhuis <sietske.hoogerhuis(a)wxs.nl>

Searches on "Oldenburg" will give you a lot of horse sites! :-)

But even so, here are some URLs that might help as for history, though the
information they give is marginal. A trip to the permanent exposition of the
Landesmuseum may be educational.

http://www1.landesmuseum-oldenburg.de/lmo/schloss.html

This is an older page, that gives a nice idea what the exposition at the
museum can offer:
http://www.uni-oldenburg.de/landesmuseum-
ol/landesgeschichte/frames/englisch/dauerausstellung_uk.html

The next two are touristical sites, and the info is mostly on Oldenburg
city:

http://muenchen.bda.de/ol/tourist-info/e-index.html

http://aux.nordwest.net/ausflugsziele/oldenburg/geschichte.html

It's quite easy for me to do searches at work, so that's what I did.

Kind regards / Met vriendelijke groet,

Sietske Hoogerhuis
Hoofddorp, Netherlands

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Re: [OL]Hollandgangerei

Date: 2000/08/01 19:35:44
From: Sietske Hoogerhuis <sietske.hoogerhuis(a)wxs.nl>

For all of those interested in recent literature on the trek to Holland,
here some titles. For what it's worth, a lot of the publications are in
Dutch. At the end, also two publications on emigrants to the USA and
Australia. The first is both in Dutch and German, and is a catalogue of an
exposition held both in Groningen and Oldenburg. The second is a publication
in English.

Kind regards / Met vriendelijke groet,

Sietske Hoogerhuis
Hoofddorp, Netherlands

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Titel      : Immigratie en arbeidsmarkt te Amsterdam in de 17e eeuw /
Knotter, Adrianus
Jaar       : 1987
Uit        : Tijdschrift voor Sociale Geschiedenis  (1987)
Vol : 13  Pag : 403-431
Auteur     : Knotter, Adrianus
                Zanden, Jan Luiten van
Trefwoord  : immigratie ; arbeidsmarkt
Geo. namen : Nederland ; Amsterdam (NH)
Periode    : 1600-1700

Titel: Kleine neringdoenden : 1750-1815 : kansen voor de kleine immigranten
        vanover de oostgrens / A.E. van Puffelen
Auteur: Adrianus Engelbertus van Puffelen
Jaar: 1985
Uitgever: [Den Haag : Van Puffelen]
Annotatie: Omslagtitel: Kleine neringdoenden bij immigratie
Bibliogr.: p. 230-237
Omvang: 237 p
ISBN:  (In ringband)
Nummer: (Brinkman) B8576284
Trefwoord: (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Nederland; (LTR) 18e eeuw; (BTR)
immigratie;(BTR) ondernemingen

Titel: Ik had een neef in Den Haag : nieuwkomers in de twintigste
    eeuw / Annemarie Cottaar ; [eindred. Dorine Duyster]
Auteur: Johanna Cornelia Agatha Maria Cottaar 1955-; Dorine Duyster
Jaar: cop. 1998
Uitgever: Zwolle : Waanders
              [Den Haag] : Haags Gemeentearchief
Annotatie: ill
           Uitg. ter gelegenheid van het 750-jarig bestaan van Den
           Haag Met lit. opg., reg Historisch overzicht van de
           migranten die zich in de twintigste eeuw in Den Haag
           vestigden.
Omvang: 208 p
ISBN: 90-400-9201-X
Nummer: (Brinkman) B9814434
Trefwoord: (GTR) Immigratie; (GTR) Den Haag; (GTR) Europa; (LTR)
                Immigranten; (LTR) 's-Gravenhage; (LTR) 20e eeuw; (GTR)
                Gelegenheidsuitgaven (vorm); (TRF) Immigranten; (BTR) Den
                 Haag; (BTR) regionale geschiedenis; (BTR) immigratie

Titel: De landverhuizers : emigratie naar Noord-Amerika uit het
       Gelders-Westfaalse grensgebied tussen de jaren 1830-1850 /
       door G.H. Ligterink
Auteur: Gerhard Hendrik Ligterink 1901-1980
Jaar: cop. 1981
Uitgever: Zutphen : Walburg pers
Reeks: Werken van het Staring Instituut ; 3
Annotatie: ill
Met lit. opg.: p. 81-[82]. - Met een samenvatting in het Duits
Omvang: 111 p
ISBN: 90-6011-048-X
Nummer: (Brinkman) B8152366; (CLC) 000172174
Trefwoord: (LTR) Emigratie; Oost-Gelderland; geschiedenis; 19e eeuw;
               (LTR) Emigratie; Noordrijn-Westfalen; geschiedenis; 19e eeuw;
           (GTR) Emigratie ; (GTR) Achterhoek; (GTR) Westfalen; (GTR)
           Noord-Amerika; (LTR) Emigratie; (LTR) Oost-Gelderland;
           (LTR) 19e eeuw; (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Noord-Amerika;
           (LTR) 19e eeuw; (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Noord-Amerika;
           (LTR) 20e eeuw; (LTR) Emigratie; (LTR)
           Noord-Rijnland-Westfalen; (LTR) 20e eeuw; (BTR) emigratie;
           (BTR) Gelderland ; geschiedenis

Titel: Rotterdamse immigratie in de laatste helft van de
        achttiende eeuw / A.E. van Puffelen
Auteur: Adrianus Engelbertus van Puffelen
Jaar: 1975
Uitgever: [S.l. : s.n.]
Reeks: Hollandtrek van over de Oostgrens
Annotatie: Omslagtitel
Omvang: III, [81] p
Nummer: (CLC) 000344069
Trefwoord: (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Rotterdam; (LTR) 18e eeuw

Titel: Delftse immigratie in de laatste helft van de achttiende
        eeuw / [door] A.E. van Puffelen
Auteur: Adrianus Engelbertus van Puffelen
Jaar: 1975
Uitgever: Den Haag  : [de auteur]
Reeks: Holland-trek van over de Oostgrens
Omvang: xi, [27] bl
Nummer: (CLC) 000341669
Trefwoord: (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Delft; (LTR) 18e eeuw

Titel       : Arbeitswanderung und berufliche Spezialisierung. Die
lippischen
               Ziegler im 18. und 19. Jahrhundert / Lourens, Piet
Jaar       : 1999
Pagina's  : 206 p
Auteur     : Lourens, Piet
                Lucassen, Jan
Uitgave    : Osnabrück
Trefwoord  : trekarbeiders ; baksteenindustrie
Geo. namen : Duitsland ; Lippe
Periode    : 1700-1900
Rubrieken  : jc ; tp
Reeks      : Studien zur historischen Migrationsforschung ; 6

Titel      : Lipsker op de Groninger tichelwerken. Een geschiedenis van de
Groningse steenindustrie met bijzondere nadruk op de Lipper trekarbeiders,
1700-1900 / Lourens, Piet
Jaar       : 1987
Pagina's  : 170 p
Auteur     : Lourens, Piet
                Lucassen, Johannes Mathias Wilhelmus Gerardus
Uitgave    : Groningen
Trefwoord  : baksteenindustrie ; seizoenarbeiders
Geo. namen : Nederland ; Duitsland ; Groningen (prov.) ; Lippe
Periode    : 1700-1900
Rubrieken  : tp ; sp ; jc
Recensies  : Bijdragen en Mededelingen betr. de Geschiedenis der Nederlanden
104
(1989) p.318 / P. Kooij
 Spiegel Historiael 24 (1989) p.242 / P. de Rooy
 Tijdschrift voor Sociale Geschiedenis 15 (1989) p.108 / P. Priester

And, as extra:

Titel: Van de Ene en de Andere kant : Noordnederlandse en
        Noordwestduitse migratie naar de Verenigde Staten in de negentiende
eeuw =
        Nordniederländische und Nordwestdeutsche Amerika-auswanderung im 19.
Jahrhundert / Annemieke Galema,
        Wolfgang Grams, Antonius Holtmann ; [eindred.: Annemieke
        Galema ; vert.: Ingeborg Koops-Stange ; coörd.: Jelle
        Kingma ; met medew. van: Hilde Bras ... et al.]
Auteur: Johanna Berendina Elisabeth Galema 1956-; Wolfgang Grams; Antonius
           Holtmann 1936-; I.G.R. Koops-Stange 1941-; Jelle Kingma 1934-;
Hilde Bras
 Jaar: 1993
 Uitgever: Groningen : Universiteitsbibliotheek Rijksuniversiteit  Groningen
           Oldenburg : Stadtmuseum Oldenburg Annotatie: ill
           Catalogus van een tentoonstelling in de expositiezaal van
           de Universiteitsbibliotheek, Groningen, gehouden van 1
           april-8 mei 1993; en in het Stadtmuseum Oldenburg, gehouden
           van 30 mei-17 juli 1993 Tekst in het Nederlands en Duits
           Met lit. opg
Omvang: 120 p
ISBN: 90-367-0363-8
Nummer: (Brinkman) B9328403
Trefwoord: (GTR) Emigratie ; (GTR) Nederlanders ; (GTR) Duitsers; (GTR)
Verenigde Staten; (GTR) Noord-Nederland; (GTR)
            Noordwest-Duitsland; (LTR) Duitse emigranten; (LTR) Verenigde
Staten; (LTR) 19e eeuw; (LTR) Nederlandse
           emigranten; (LTR) Verenigde Staten; (LTR) 19e eeuw; (GTR)
Tentoonstellingscatalogi (vorm); (BTR) emigratie; (BTR)
           Verenigde Staten ; geschiedenis

Titel: The hatch and brood of time : a study of the first generation of
         native-born white Australians, 1788-1828 / Portia Robinson
Auteur: Portia Robinson
Jaar: 1985-...
Uitgever: Melbourne [etc.] : Oxford University Press
Annotatie: ill
Omvang: .. dl
ISBN: 0-19-554569-9 (set), 0-19-554497-8
Nummer: (Library of Congress) 85673434
Trefwoord: (LCS) Australia; (LTR) Australië; sociale geschiedenis; 19e eeuw;
                (LTR) Australië; sociale geschiedenis; 18e eeuw; (GTR)
                 Immigratie; (GTR) Tweede generatie ; (GTR) Australië





[OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/01 19:41:46
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

Bei meiner letzten Schrift konnte ich ein bestimmtes Buch über 
dieses Thema nicht finden.

Jetzt habe ich es. Wer sich also für die "Wanderarbeit jenseits der 
Grenzen" interessiert kann sich das Buch im Museumsdorf 
Cloppenburg bestellen. Das geht auch on-line. Es ist ISBN90-
70884-54-2 und möglichst auch anderswo zu haben.

Im Großformat von 168 Seiten werden hier die Wanderarbeiten 
nach Holland aus Norddeutschland sehr gut behandelt.

Fred

  
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]Oldenburger History

Date: 2000/08/01 21:18:49
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

The 'Oldenburger Landesverein' has tried, unsuccessfully, to find somebody 
who is willing to establish and maintain such a site on the history of 
Oldenburg.
Gerold 


Re: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/02 00:04:36
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Fred
Viele dank. In die grosse menge von Buecher die sie haben konnte es  zwierig
sein etwas zuruck zu finden.
Ich wahr schon aus die site von museum gewesen, aber durch die viele
moeglichkeiten diesem titel nicht gefunden.


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Aan: oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: dinsdag 1 augustus 2000 19:33
Onderwerp: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei


>Bei meiner letzten Schrift konnte ich ein bestimmtes Buch über
>dieses Thema nicht finden.
>
>Jetzt habe ich es. Wer sich also für die "Wanderarbeit jenseits der
>Grenzen" interessiert kann sich das Buch im Museumsdorf
>Cloppenburg bestellen. Das geht auch on-line. Es ist ISBN90-
>70884-54-2 und möglichst auch anderswo zu haben.
>
>Im Großformat von 168 Seiten werden hier die Wanderarbeiten
>nach Holland aus Norddeutschland sehr gut behandelt.
>
>Fred
>
>
>26 Warren St.
>Beverly, NJ 08010
>609-386-6846
>fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
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[OL]Surname-Ehlers

Date: 2000/08/02 03:47:42
From: Richard Ehlers <rcehlers(a)gate.net>

My great-grandfather Johann Diedrich Ehlers was born near Lemwerder, Oldenburg on 28 August 1838 and later married Anna Schwepe. He belonged to the Ev. Luth. Church. We would appreciate any information on their ancestors, birth, marriage, siblings, death records, ...etc. Thank you for any help on this search! 
Richard Ehlers 

Re: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/02 05:37:41
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

Just a Question....
If all our Oldenburger ancestor folks spoke platt deutsch, how did they get along in holland? How different is dutch and platt deutsch? Did the Dutch 'need' more workers or just tolerate them?

Josie
jpete46(a)hotmail.com




Bei meiner letzten Schrift konnte ich ein bestimmtes Buch über
dieses Thema nicht finden.

Jetzt habe ich es. Wer sich also für die "Wanderarbeit jenseits der
Grenzen" interessiert kann sich das Buch im Museumsdorf
Cloppenburg bestellen. Das geht auch on-line. Es ist ISBN90-
70884-54-2 und möglichst auch anderswo zu haben.

Im Großformat von 168 Seiten werden hier die Wanderarbeiten
nach Holland aus Norddeutschland sehr gut behandelt.

Fred


26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]Vorname des Pastors Frye aus Lindern gesucht

Date: 2000/08/02 11:17:31
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Fred, Ingrid und alle anderen Listenteilnehmer.
Hello Fred, Ingrid and all other listmembers.

Wolfgang Fred Rump schrieb:
> 
> On 1 Aug 2000, at 14:19, Ingrid Heine wrote:
> >  in Oldenburg im Staatsarchiv gibt es ein Verzeichnis aller
> >  oldenburger Pfarrer seit....??? 

Vielen Dank Ingrid fuer den Tip. Ich werde dort bei Gelegeneheit
einmal nachsehen.
Thanks Ingrid for that tip. I'll have a look at this register.

> >> hat jemand aus der Liste zufaellig die
> >> weiteren Vornamen des Pastors > Anton Frye parat, der um
> >>1784 in Lindern (westlich von Cloppenburg) taetig gewesen sein
> >> muss?
> >> Meine Vermutung ist, dass er Johan Josef Anton geheissen hat,
> >> aber ich suche noch einen Nachweis.
> 
> According to parish information for St Catherine of Siena in Lindern
> (name since 1970),  the pastor after Heinrich Meyer (1741-1754)
> was Karl Gottfried Frye who died in 1788.  

Vielen Dank fuer diese Informationen, auch wenn sie meine Vermutung
widerlegen.
Thanks for the information even though they disproof my guess.
 
> Wo kommt denn der Anton Name her?

deutsch: 
In meinen Aufzeichnnungen befindet sich ein Johannes Carolus Antonius
Bushe, geboren 1784, dessen Taufpate ein Pastor Anton Frye aus Lindern
gewesen sein soll. Da ich einen Onkel von Johannes C.A. Bushe habe,
der Johan Josef Anton Frye (geboren 1749) geheissen hat, hatte ich die
Hoffnung, das beide Personen identisch seien.

Die Eintragung ueber den Taufpaten stammt vermutlich aus dem Emsteker
Geburtenregister. Da ich leider keine genaue Quelle habe (meine Mutter
hat beim heraussuchen der Daten nie Quellen vermerkt) werde ich die
Angaben wohl noch einmal ueberpruefen muessen.

Der Taufpate von Johan Josef Anton Frye ist uebrigens ein Dechant
Meyer (Johann Joseph Meier) aus Emstek, bei dem es sich um den Bruder
des von Dir erwaehnten Linderner Pastors Heinrich Meyer (1741-1754)
handelt.

Vielen Dank fuer Deine Hilfe

english:
I have a Johannes Carolus Antonius Bushe, born 1784, in my records,
whose godfather is ought to be Pastor Anton Frye from Lindern. I
hoped, this person would be identical with Johan Josef Anton Frye
(born 1749), who is already in my records and who would be an uncle to
Onkel von Johannes C.A. Bushe.

The data about the godparents is probably taken from the birth
register of Emstek. Unfortunatly I don't have a source for this, (my
mother never noted the sources when the recorded anything) so I'll
have to look this record again.

By the way, godfather of Johan Josef Anton Frye is dean Meyer (Johann
Joseph Meier) from Emstek, who is a brother of your pastor from
Lindern Heinrich Meyer (1741-1754).

Thanks for your help.

Juergen
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Re: [OL]Ortmann

Date: 2000/08/02 15:26:53
From: Lora Kalbli <kalblial(a)one.net>

Thank you Don,

Yes the LDS center in Cincinnati is very convenient for me.  Have not been
there as yet, however.  I do have the "Story of Millhousen" book which gives
great detail about this Catholic/German pioneer settlement near Batesville
where my ggfather is from.    I also have the History of Decatur County
Indiana by Harding.  I have found much information there as well.  Have all
the immediate ancestors in this country accounted for, just have hit my
brick wall when trying to get back to the German ancestral roots of my great
grandfather and descendants of his brothers who remained in Germay.

Thanks again for your help.

Lora

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Subject: Re: [OL]Ortmann


> Lora,
>
> Good luck with your further research.
>
> If you are living in the Batesville/Oldenburg Indiana area, I'm not sure
if
> your LDS center has all the Oldenburg areas films on hand.  We have people
> from Indianapolis and Batesville come to our center in Cincinnati from
time
> to time because we have most of the Oldenburger Munsterland films on
> permanent loan.  We have all the films for Holdorf, as well as Damme,
> Neuenkirchen and Dinklage (the surrounding parishes) on permanent loan.
You
> may want to try it if your center doesn't have the films.
>
> Again, good luck,
>
> Don
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[OL]Re: [HN] Kingdom of Hannover genealogy

Date: 2000/08/02 19:56:00
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 3 Mar 2000, at 21:43, Linda Hendricks wrote:

> I would like to subscribe to your mailing list.  Linda Rusche
> Hendricks genowoman(a)yahoo.com
> 

Dear list members,

I get this type of post quite often in my reject mailbox as posts from 
non-members are not acceptable to the list. The idea behind this is 
to prevent the bulk of the junk and spam mail from reaching you. It 
always goes to me. 

Other posts I get are from you but under a different mail address 
than the one you are subscribed under. Each one of those 
messages winds up in my reject mail. I no longer have time to 
check to see if the rejected poster is really a listmember under 
another email address and simply approve genealogical type mail 
to the list regradless of membership. The problem of course is that 
some of these posters will never see their own message or any 
responses to their question unless they join the list first. I've given 
up on worrying about it.

I would like to make a suggestion to those of you who have more 
then one address or whose ISP messes with their normal address 
(EX: name(a)mail.msn.com or name(a)msn.com depending on 
circumstances) to change it to something other then what you think 
it is. 

Should you discover such a situation, please register yourself again 
under this second address and then set that address to no mail. 
This way you can always post from any number of different 
addresses but will only receive one copy of the list messages.

Thanks

Fred

 
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Beverly, NJ 08010
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Re: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/02 21:11:44
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 1 Aug 2000, at 22:27, Josie Petermeier wrote:

> If all our Oldenburger ancestor folks spoke platt deutsch, how did
> they get along in holland?  How different is dutch and platt deutsch? 
> Did the Dutch 'need' more workers or just tolerate them?

They really had no problems understanding each other. For most 
there wasn't too much need to speak perfect Dutch though. You 
would simpoly do your assigned work day after day without too 
much interaction with those who paid the meager salary.

The book I just mentioned gives one of the reasons for its  
publication as the question how borders came to be established in 
the first place. The issue arose with the falling of inter-country 
borders in a new Europe and thereby a realization that this is how it 
used to be all the time anyway - all the time except the last 200 
years or so. 

There is a three cornered border stone sitting in Dieland in the 
Gemeinde Losser. It shows the three crest of the powers in the 
various directions as they were in 1651: Fürstbistum Münster, 
Grafschaft Bentheim and Utrecht. Those were the powers that 
claimed sovereignty over the land but as far as a border goes, that 
was it, a stone.  People freely crossed from one place to another 
without any kind of checking or government hassle. The problem 
came when one wanted to enter a town and take up residence 
there. As long as you kept on moving or worked out in the country 
no one would bother you. 

During the middle ages ever traveller was subject to be robbed or 
even killed without some kind of protective arrangement. By 1800 
this was no longer the case even though robbers and other 
scheisters sat waiting for the returning workers who now had money 
in their pockets. The change to borders and personal identification 
really came with the advent of a strong and ambitious French state 
which attempted to unify all of Europe under its banner. This was 
centralization from above where the subjects were identified as to 
where they belonged for the welfar of the state. Borders started to 
be fought over as France went on its march east and only Prussia 
stood in its way. Only after WWII did this madness for border 
extension stop. In any case after 1806 when Prussia had been 
defeated the road was opened all the way to Moscow. Luckily it 
was stopped there too. But France had unified the Netherlands, 
which were under its control, by joining it with the German 
Ostfriesland and Jever. Other parts of NW Germany were also 
added to the French Empire. The French Empire was practically at 
war during its whole existence. Travellers had to identify themselves 
lest they are running from or to the wrong place or were escaping 
military service. Borders started to take entirely new meanings in 
that the central administration regulated everything and everyone. 
The state wanted to know where everyone was all of a sudden and 
the rules are still in place in Europe. 

"Das neue Frankreich war ein Staat, der fast ununterbrochen 
Kriege führte. Reisende mußten sich aus diesem Grunde 
identifizieren können. Es war darüber hinaus ein zentral verwalteter 
Staat mit einer Regierung, der sehr daran gelegen war, so viel wie 
möglich über das Wohl und Wehe seiner Untertanen in Erfahrung 
zu bringen. Die Bevölkerung wurde registriert, und in neue Bezirke 
eingeteilt, die über die alten regionalen Grenzen hinausreichten, um 
so eine bessere Kontrolle von oben zu ermöglichen" 

People all of a sudden found out that they belonged to a state and 
had to follow its rules much like before when their only lord was the 
local honcho who collected taxes on their land. In general the entire 
northern coastal region from northern France to Denmark was 
similar and borders were rather soft within this region. People had 
their allegiance to their local chief (Häuptling) just as they had since 
their time began. The advent of Dutch primacy on the trading 
oceans changed things around in that their labor force and internal 
growth was simply not enough to satisfy the need. Their cities were 
still beset by sickness and death rates were high. Two thirds of all 
sailors never were able to retire to old age as they were lost at sea 
or in some far away place. The gaps had to filled and this is were 
people from the interior came into play. The Dutch themselves 
obviously took all the best jobs for themselves and the rural sons 
would go to the cities or the ships while leaving only skeleton crews 
back home on the farm. The peatworkers long ago had left for 
better jobs and yet the cities needed peat to heat their homes. 

The Germans filled this role as best they could but usually under 
very primitive circumstances. Many died, more got sick. It was a 
capitalist society they had ventured into and everybody tried to take 
advantage of them by making them work as long as possible for as 
little as possible. Yet, when you had nothing and were a 
Heuerman's son, anything looking like cash was more than you had 
before. Much of the money had to go to pay for taxes and debts 
back at home. It was survival for them. 

I'm not sure what you mean by your question, 'did the Dutch just 
tolerate them?' The Dutch needed them - badly. A labor shortage is 
a labor shortage. In later years the tables were turned and many 
Dutch people came to work in Germany in their own 
Deutschlandgängerei. 

It shouuld also be noted that many of the workers found a 
connection in Holland and it is not strange that we have a number of 
*.nl addresses in this group simply because one of their ancestrors 
stayed in the Netherlands for good. 

Fred

 
      

26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]Und ...nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/02 22:16:43
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Moin,
thanks, Fred, for your very complete answer. For me is just left to add my
five pence worth, and I am not very competent on this issue.
What we learned from this discussion is that perhaps people from (catholic)
south OL migrated more often than people from (protestant) north OL. This
could be true, as there are quite a few catholic families in the southern
Groninger Veenkolonieen and in Drenthe, adjacent to catholic Emsland (there
are some Ahlers, too, unknown to me yet).  On the other hand, in the north
of Oost Groningen (round Hoogezand), there were places with German speaking
Lutheran people. They would have come from North OL or East Ostfriesland
where people are Lutheran.

Talking about language: in many parts of Groningen ('Grunnen') and Drenthe
the local language is not Dutch but 'Grunnings' or 'Drenths', a language
closely related to Plattdeutsch - with a lot of Dutch influence, surely. I
do speak Dutch myself, but in the border region my Plattdeutsch is often
more used than my Dutch.

Someone said it before, not all Hollandgänger were farm laborers. For a
young man from 17/18/19th century northwest Gemany, the Netherlands were
high tech country with all them new jobs offering.

Two jobs I heard about from Amsterdam:

- As a well-off family you had a maid from Germany, so many girls found
their way to Amsterdam (and probably other places in the Randstad).

- For some reason German 'Stukkateurs' were very fashionable in Amsterdam -
you know, those guys who make all those stukko ceilings. I don't know if
Dutch men were not able to handle gypsum, at least what I heard was that a
German Stukkateur was what you had to have back then.

Away from this, the Netherlands surely offered a chance to make a living for
someone from Oldenburg or Ostfriesland (just as much as the US did later),
and the language was no great challenge. Learning Dutch is not impossible
for Germans (the two languages are closely related).

Regards
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Mittwoch, 2. August 2000 21:03
Betreff: Re: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei





[OL]Schweer

Date: 2000/08/02 22:37:26
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Anyone searched for Schweer, I found this record in Holdorf/Damme emigration:

Schweer, Josef, Dienstknecht-Militärdienst entziehen-    1 1848 Ihorst

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Re: [OL]Oldenburg

Date: 2000/08/02 22:37:27
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I think the birthplace is wrong.
Bremen is an own city state, and Oldenburg is a city and a province. Therefore is Bremen never located in Oldenburg.
Maybe he is born in the province (former Grand Dutchy) Oldenburg and emigrated via Bremen.
The question is, which village/place in Oldenburg the family comes from.
If he was catholic, then has to be assumed he came from southern of the province Oldenburg, called Oldenburger-Münsterland.
Tepe is a common name, so you must find the place. Here a list of my website Damme-Auswanderung (http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/):

Tepe, Berend      1 1836 Damme
Tepe, Catharine bei kl. Klönne    1 1842 Rüschendorf
Tepe, Fam. Bernd, bei Wernken in Handorf  3 1836 Holdorf
Tepe, Heinrich, Dienstknecht - nach Baltimore  1 1848 Damme
Tepe, Heinrich und Elisabeth    2 1840 Damme
Tepe, Hermann Heinrich, bei Wernken in Handorf  1 1836 Holdorf
Tepe, Hermann Heinrich bei Siefke zu Wahlde  1 1835 Fladderlohausen
Tepe, Werner, Dienstknecht - nach Baltimore  1 1848 Damme
Tepe, Witwe      1 1845 Dümmerlohausen
Tepekruse, Fam. Heinr. nebst Frau u. 4 Kindern bei Kolon Eschhoffmann 6 1836 Fladderlohausen
Tepe-Ortmann, Catharina, Landwirtin    1 1846 Holdorf


> Hello...

> I am new to the list and want to see if anyone has any clues...leads on
> the Tepe Family. I am researching Henry Tepe who was born in Bremen,
> Oldenburg, Germany abt 1824. He came to America as oral family history
> goes...with two sisters with one staying in Illinois and the other coming
> to St. Louis Missouri. Henry Tepe married Sarah Evans (MRS) and live in
> Douglas CO., Missouri until he died. I am frustrated with this line as I
> can find no other info on this family...

> Please visit my website at:

> http:www.ultimatefamilytree.com/UFT/WebPages/jansfam/JANSFAM/index.htm

> If you can help I will be grateful and can add to this family.

> Jan Wilson, Vancouver, Washington



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Re: [OL]Hohenkirchen, Jever district

Date: 2000/08/02 23:58:13
From: Peter Taylor <pbt(a)stevensons.co.nz>

Fred, and others, thanks for your reply. Your assistance to myself, and
everyone else on the list is always appreciated

Cheers

Peter Taylor
Auckland, New Zealand



Re: [OL]geschichtliche Literatur

Date: 2000/08/03 08:23:13
From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Karin,

wo bekommt man die Ortschroniken?
Auf der Stadt- bzw. Gemeindeverwaltung?

Gruß Bianca



[OL]Chroniken

Date: 2000/08/03 20:08:45
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Hallo Bianca, hallo "Oldenburger",

nun weiß ich nicht, welche Chronik du meinst. Du bekommst die aber auf alle
Fälle von der jeweiligen Gemeinde- oder Stadtverwaltung. Die Adressen
findest du in Telefon-CD's oder auch im Internet. Die Frage ist nur, ob die
Chroniken noch im Verkaufsbestand sind  - Löningen hat eine neuere
rausgegeben, frage mal Betty hier in der Liste, die hat sich im letzten Jahr
eine gekauft  - oder ob sie schon so alt sind, daß sie nur noch in
Bibliotheken ausgeliehen werden können. Ein Schulfreund hatte mir z.B. vor
vielen Jahren mal von einer Chronik über Ankum erzählt. Das ist wohl 25
Jahre her. Wenn die nicht neu aufgelegt wurde, hilft nur der Gang in die
Bibliothek.

Vielleicht könnt ihr ja mal über eure Erfahrungen berichten. Interessiert
mich auch.

Mit vielen Grüßen - Karin
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To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]geschichtliche Literatur


Hallo Karin,

wo bekommt man die Ortschroniken?
Auf der Stadt- bzw. Gemeindeverwaltung?

Gruß Bianca


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[OL]Zufall: Harms -Wehl; Michel aus Schoenstedt, Bachmann a us dem Hannoeverschen, Reissner-Barnstedt Wernigerode-B ernice

Date: 2000/08/03 22:17:42
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)cg7.de>

Hallo Listers,
today I saw several ´mariages from People who didn´t live in Varel or change
their Names. Perhaps there is someone you look for for a long time:

Harms, Gustav Friedrich , Schustermeister zu Kniphäusersiel *31.1.1826 ehel.
in Fedderwarden
Vater: Moses Jacob Wehl , Handelsmann zu Fedderwarden, , Mutter Jette
Feilmann
oo am 5.2.1854 in Varel
Anna Elisabeth Cassens * 12.11.1823 in Varel
Vater Johann Gerhard Cassens Tagelöhner zu Varel, Mutter: Anna Christine
Aufdenort, eigentlich Auf dem Orte.
Varel Copuliert 1851-1870 S.70 Nr 6/ 1854

Johann Christoph Michel, Musikus und Heuerling in Rallenbüschen, * 15.4.1824
ehel. in Schönstedt, Vater: GeorgFriedrich michel, Musikus zu Schönstedt bei
Langensalza, Mutter: Friederike Henriette Siegmund heiratete am 22.8.1854 in
Varel Charlotte Karoline Amalie Eilers *18.8.1831 ehel. in Varel, Vater
Eilert Gerd Eilers, Tagelöhner in Varel, Mutter Anna Elisabeth Wessels
Varel Copuliert 1851-1870 S 88 Nr 63/1854

Konrad Heinrich Hermann Bachmann , Eisengießereiarbeiter zu Varel* 10.7.1830
ehel in Varel, Vater Johann Friedrich Konrad Bachmann, Schustermeister zu
Dahlenberg im Hannöverschen, Mutter Marie Elisabeth Rose heiratet am
26.12.1855 in Varel Helene Katharine Wolf, *4.7.1829 in Obenstrohe, ehel,
Vater Johann Anton Wolf, Tagelöhner zu Varel, Mutter Talke Margarete Rahmann
Varel Copuliert1851-1870 S.111Nr 60/1855

Reissner, Christian Friedrich, Secretair bei der Diakonissenanstalt in
Kaiserswerth * 3.7.1827 ehel. in Wernigerode, Vater karl Gottfried Reissner,
Rendant am Krankenhause in Wernigerode, Mutter Johanne Caroline Christiane
Schulz heirate am 18.9.1859 in Varel Cornelia Louise Barnstedt, * 5.8.1820
ehel.in Bernice, Vater: Plantagenbesitzer in Bernice Johann Ludwig
Barnstedt, Mutter Cornelia Marie Mittelholzer
Varel Copuliert 1851-1870 S 243 Nr 70 / 1859

Good Luck
Ingrid




[OL]Catharina Christine Rebecca Eiken geb. 15 Feb. 1842

Date: 2000/08/04 09:27:10
From: Holger G.H. Rudolph <holger.rudolph(a)web.de>

Hallo,

ich habe eine Bitte:


Besteht die Möglichkeit festzustellen ob im Bereich
Golzwarden ein Heiratseintrag

für Catharina Christiane Rebecca Ficke geb. Eiken
geb. am 15 Feb. 1842 in Golzwarden besteht.
Ihr Ehemann ist Friederich Ficke geb. am 5 Feb. 1835 in Bremen.
Die Heirat erfolgte höchstwarscheinlich am 19. April 1877
Ich kann in Bremen im Staatsarchiv (Maus)
keinen Eintrag einer Heirat in Bremen finden. Es besteht die
Möglichkeit das die Heirat in Golzwarden erfolgte.
Vielleicht kann mir jemand unter die Arme greifen.

Danke


Gruß
Holger Rudolph

0421-510570
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Fw: [OL]l: Harms -Wehl; Michel aus Schoenstedt, Bachmann aus dem Hannoeverschen, Reissner-Barnstedt Wernigerode-Bernice

Date: 2000/08/04 09:47:25
From: Hermann Oltmanns, Soest <Oltmanns-Soest(a)t-online.de>

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)cg7.de>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Donnerstag, 3. August 2000 23:16
Betreff: [OL]Zufall: Harms -Wehl; Michel aus Schoenstedt, Bachmann aus dem
Hannoeverschen, Reissner-Barnstedt Wernigerode-Bernice


HALLO ALLE,

Varel ist mein Forschungsgebiet !!
Ich habe alle Kirchenbücher der evangl. Gemeinde Varel bis 1900, was
Familien betrifft, "elektronisch" verkartet.
Wenn Fragen dazu, dann Email.
Gruss Hermann

Quelltext:
>Hallo Listers,
>today I saw several ´mariages from People who didn´t live in Varel or
change
>their Names. Perhaps there is someone you look for for a long time:
>
>Harms, Gustav Friedrich , Schustermeister zu Kniphäusersiel *31.1.1826
ehel.
>in Fedderwarden
>Vater: Moses Jacob Wehl , Handelsmann zu Fedderwarden, , Mutter Jette
>Feilmann
>oo am 5.2.1854 in Varel
>Anna Elisabeth Cassens * 12.11.1823 in Varel
>Vater Johann Gerhard Cassens Tagelöhner zu Varel, Mutter: Anna Christine
>Aufdenort, eigentlich Auf dem Orte.
>Varel Copuliert 1851-1870 S.70 Nr 6/ 1854
>
>Johann Christoph Michel, Musikus und Heuerling in Rallenbüschen, *
15.4.1824
>ehel. in Schönstedt, Vater: GeorgFriedrich michel, Musikus zu Schönstedt
bei
>Langensalza, Mutter: Friederike Henriette Siegmund heiratete am 22.8.1854
in
>Varel Charlotte Karoline Amalie Eilers *18.8.1831 ehel. in Varel, Vater
>Eilert Gerd Eilers, Tagelöhner in Varel, Mutter Anna Elisabeth Wessels
>Varel Copuliert 1851-1870 S 88 Nr 63/1854
>
>Konrad Heinrich Hermann Bachmann , Eisengießereiarbeiter zu Varel*
10.7.1830
>ehel in Varel, Vater Johann Friedrich Konrad Bachmann, Schustermeister zu
>Dahlenberg im Hannöverschen, Mutter Marie Elisabeth Rose heiratet am
>26.12.1855 in Varel Helene Katharine Wolf, *4.7.1829 in Obenstrohe, ehel,
>Vater Johann Anton Wolf, Tagelöhner zu Varel, Mutter Talke Margarete
Rahmann
>Varel Copuliert1851-1870 S.111Nr 60/1855
>
>Reissner, Christian Friedrich, Secretair bei der Diakonissenanstalt in
>Kaiserswerth * 3.7.1827 ehel. in Wernigerode, Vater karl Gottfried
Reissner,
>Rendant am Krankenhause in Wernigerode, Mutter Johanne Caroline Christiane
>Schulz heirate am 18.9.1859 in Varel Cornelia Louise Barnstedt, * 5.8.1820
>ehel.in Bernice, Vater: Plantagenbesitzer in Bernice Johann Ludwig
>Barnstedt, Mutter Cornelia Marie Mittelholzer
>Varel Copuliert 1851-1870 S 243 Nr 70 / 1859
>
>Good Luck
>Ingrid
>
>
>
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Re: [OL]Chroniken

Date: 2000/08/04 16:58:06
From: GermDfish <GermDfish(a)aol.com>

Hallo,
  Ich habe drei Buecher von Loeningen;   " Loeningen Chronik " von Alfred 
Benken 1990,
  "  700 Jahre Winkum " 1981 und "  Loeningen "  in Vergangenheit und 
Gegenwart  1998.  Was suchen Sie????
                              Patti
  I have the following 3 books that cover the Loeningen area.  I will gladly 
search them for anyone who is doing research in this area.


Re: [OL]Catharina Christine Rebecca Eiken geb. 15 Feb. 1842

Date: 2000/08/04 17:34:36
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Ich werde gelegentlich nachsehen im KB Golzwarden
Gruß    Gerold Diers


Re: [OL]Hollandgangerei

Date: 2000/08/05 14:26:37
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Sietske Hoogerhuis schreef:

> I've also got some information on this subject.
>
> I have a book on the migration from Germany to Holland by Korn(elis).
> Mulder - Hannekemaaiers en kiepkerels. Knoop & Niemeijer, Haren, 1971. It's
> good, deals with the subject extensively and gives a lot of information.
> It's in Dutch, though, as you probably noticed from the title. In the
> bibliography I found this reference, that deals especially with the
> Hollandsgängerei from Hannover and Oldenburg. Johannes Track -
> Hollandsgänger in Hannover und Oldenburg. Leipzig, 1902. I don't know the
> book myself, so can't give anything more than this reference.
>
> Apart from the mentioned ones I also know another URL where the subject is
> treated. In German. It's a series of articles, that deal with the migration
> between Holland and Germany.
>
> http://www.euregio.krefeld.schulen.net/1-in-rb-nil.htm
>
> There is too much information in the book I have, to be able to summarize it
> all in a posting. So, if people want specific information, just ask, and I
> will look it up. I don't recall it telling anything special on Oldenburgers,
> however. Most of the German migrants to Holland (17th/18th/19th century)
> came from Westfalen (as one of my ancestors did).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Sietske Hoogerhuis
> Hoofddorp, Netherlands
>
> sietske.hoogerhuis(a)wxs.nl
>
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Hallo Sietske,
This book is not more for sale in the bookshops,I found  one in a
secondhandbookshop.
 greetings  Betty




Re: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/05 15:11:41
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Josie Petermeier schreef:
Just a Question....
If all our Oldenburger ancestor folks spoke platt deutsch, how did they get
along in holland?  How different is dutch and platt deutsch?  Did the Dutch
'need' more workers or just tolerate them?

Josie
jpete46(a)hotmail.com

>Bei meiner letzten Schrift konnte ich ein bestimmtes Buch über
>dieses Thema nicht finden.
>
>Jetzt habe ich es. Wer sich also für die "Wanderarbeit jenseits der
>Grenzen" interessiert kann sich das Buch im Museumsdorf
>Cloppenburg bestellen. Das geht auch on-line. Es ist ISBN90-
>70884-54-2 und möglichst auch anderswo zu haben.
>
>Im Großformat von 168 Seiten werden hier die Wanderarbeiten
>nach Holland aus Norddeutschland sehr gut behandelt.
>
>Fred
>
>
>26 Warren St.
>Beverly, NJ 08010
>609-386-6846
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Hello Josie,Ingrid  and Others,

 I,m just back from my German hollydays,and found a lot of Ol mails.
The one about the "Hollandgängerei"whas the one that whas for me the most intressting one.
 First the book that Fred by the Museumdorf Cloppenburg has orderd is a verry good one.

Than I will explain more about this subject,but you be warnd for my verry bat english!!

 I,m dutch live near Amsterdam,but...Tha most from our ancestors are from German.

The whas a verry big population of german people in Amsterdam.
 There proffesion where ,taylors,leatherworkers,suckerbakers,
,jong girls the workt in the big houses from the rich people
living on the canals in Amsterdam.

 In the aria where I live there whas and stil are a lot of farmers.

And evry year game the "Hannekemaaiers" most walking from
German,to the Nort west from Holland Groningen,but the moost to the westpart from Holland around Amsterdam.

(When Fred has reed his book,i think he can gif you all more details)

In dat time there where so manny German people in Amsterdam that whas not so a big city on that time, that not always but
several times the german boys, married a german girl.

Becous the go moost to the same church.

From all off my ancestors is 75% from German the one urlyer than the other,but when I stock int the records in Amsterdam is that always tha reason , there is written on the marridge certificates
 Mister so and so from... prussia, or one or  a other place
 in German.
 The gr gr grfather from my husband came in 1839 to Amsterdam whit his brother, (The olderst son has get the litle farm)
and he whas a tailor. Married in Amsterdam his first wife ,she comes from Überwasser near (and nowe) Münster.
His second wifes father whas born in Neuenkirchen (Rheine)

And the Dutchpeople in that time ,and the moost off him nowe understand the platdeutsch verry well.
 I hope you  have get a little impression, and not you must wait Greetings Betty Krull
 
 
 

Re: [OL]Und ...nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/05 15:19:49
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

heikoahlers schreef:

> Moin,
> thanks, Fred, for your very complete answer. For me is just left to add my
> five pence worth, and I am not very competent on this issue.
> What we learned from this discussion is that perhaps people from (catholic)
> south OL migrated more often than people from (protestant) north OL. This
> could be true, as there are quite a few catholic families in the southern
> Groninger Veenkolonieen and in Drenthe, adjacent to catholic Emsland (there
> are some Ahlers, too, unknown to me yet).  On the other hand, in the north
> of Oost Groningen (round Hoogezand), there were places with German speaking
> Lutheran people. They would have come from North OL or East Ostfriesland
> where people are Lutheran.
>
> Talking about language: in many parts of Groningen ('Grunnen') and Drenthe
> the local language is not Dutch but 'Grunnings' or 'Drenths', a language
> closely related to Plattdeutsch - with a lot of Dutch influence, surely. I
> do speak Dutch myself, but in the border region my Plattdeutsch is often
> more used than my Dutch.
>
> Someone said it before, not all Hollandgänger were farm laborers. For a
> young man from 17/18/19th century northwest Gemany, the Netherlands were
> high tech country with all them new jobs offering.
>
> Two jobs I heard about from Amsterdam:
>
> - As a well-off family you had a maid from Germany, so many girls found
> their way to Amsterdam (and probably other places in the Randstad).
>
> - For some reason German 'Stukkateurs' were very fashionable in Amsterdam -
> you know, those guys who make all those stukko ceilings. I don't know if
> Dutch men were not able to handle gypsum, at least what I heard was that a
> German Stukkateur was what you had to have back then.
>
> Away from this, the Netherlands surely offered a chance to make a living for
> someone from Oldenburg or Ostfriesland (just as much as the US did later),
> and the language was no great challenge. Learning Dutch is not impossible
> for Germans (the two languages are closely related).
>
> Regards
> Heiko
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Datum: Mittwoch, 2. August 2000 21:03
> Betreff: Re: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei
>
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Hallo HeIko,
You are right,the Dutch(did) love the German "Pünktlichkeit"(punctuality).
 Its for the Germans easyer to learn Dutch,than  German for the Dutch people.
Speaking is one but writning is a other thing!!
Greetings Betty




Re: [OL]Chroniken

Date: 2000/08/05 15:29:13
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Karin Jacob schreef:

> Hallo Bianca, hallo "Oldenburger",
>
> nun weiß ich nicht, welche Chronik du meinst. Du bekommst die aber auf alle
> Fälle von der jeweiligen Gemeinde- oder Stadtverwaltung. Die Adressen
> findest du in Telefon-CD's oder auch im Internet. Die Frage ist nur, ob die
> Chroniken noch im Verkaufsbestand sind  - Löningen hat eine neuere
> rausgegeben, frage mal Betty hier in der Liste, die hat sich im letzten Jahr
> eine gekauft  - oder ob sie schon so alt sind, daß sie nur noch in
> Bibliotheken ausgeliehen werden können. Ein Schulfreund hatte mir z.B. vor
> vielen Jahren mal von einer Chronik über Ankum erzählt. Das ist wohl 25
> Jahre her. Wenn die nicht neu aufgelegt wurde, hilft nur der Gang in die
> Bibliothek.
>
> Vielleicht könnt ihr ja mal über eure Erfahrungen berichten. Interessiert
> mich auch.
>
> Mit vielen Grüßen - Karin
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> karinjacob(a)berlin.snafu.de - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/9580
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [OL]geschichtliche Literatur
>
> Hallo Karin,
>
> wo bekommt man die Ortschroniken?
> Auf der Stadt- bzw. Gemeindeverwaltung?
>
> Gruß Bianca
>
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Hallo Bianca und Karin,
 Der gans dicke (790 seite) Kronik Löningen in gegenwart und vergangenkeit
kostet normaal ausgabe 99.DM.
 Aber when du auf der homepage from Löningen kuckst,
http//www.loeningen.de  siehst du ergent who de name Schmuckerverlag
 die verkaufen verschiedene sachen über Löningen,Du kann online bestellen.

 Die beide andere kronike gibst nicht mir in Büchhandel,ich meine das erste teil
von Alfred Benke,ach das 1150 jahr Löningen gibst nicht mehr.
viele Grüsse Betty





Re: [OL]Und ...nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/05 15:35:36
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

heikoahlers schreef:

> Moin,
> thanks, Fred, for your very complete answer. For me is just left to add my
> five pence worth, and I am not very competent on this issue.
> What we learned from this discussion is that perhaps people from (catholic)
> south OL migrated more often than people from (protestant) north OL. This
> could be true, as there are quite a few catholic families in the southern
> Groninger Veenkolonieen and in Drenthe, adjacent to catholic Emsland (there
> are some Ahlers, too, unknown to me yet).  On the other hand, in the north
> of Oost Groningen (round Hoogezand), there were places with German speaking
> Lutheran people. They would have come from North OL or East Ostfriesland
> where people are Lutheran.
>
> Talking about language: in many parts of Groningen ('Grunnen') and Drenthe
> the local language is not Dutch but 'Grunnings' or 'Drenths', a language
> closely related to Plattdeutsch - with a lot of Dutch influence, surely. I
> do speak Dutch myself, but in the border region my Plattdeutsch is often
> more used than my Dutch.
>
> Someone said it before, not all Hollandgänger were farm laborers. For a
> young man from 17/18/19th century northwest Gemany, the Netherlands were
> high tech country with all them new jobs offering.
>
> Two jobs I heard about from Amsterdam:
>
> - As a well-off family you had a maid from Germany, so many girls found
> their way to Amsterdam (and probably other places in the Randstad).
>
> - For some reason German 'Stukkateurs' were very fashionable in Amsterdam -
> you know, those guys who make all those stukko ceilings. I don't know if
> Dutch men were not able to handle gypsum, at least what I heard was that a
> German Stukkateur was what you had to have back then.
>
> Away from this, the Netherlands surely offered a chance to make a living for
> someone from Oldenburg or Ostfriesland (just as much as the US did later),
> and the language was no great challenge. Learning Dutch is not impossible
> for Germans (the two languages are closely related).
>
> Regards
> Heiko
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Datum: Mittwoch, 2. August 2000 21:03
> Betreff: Re: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei
>
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Hallo HeIko,
You are right,the Dutch(did) love the German
"Pünktlichkeit"(punctuality).
 Its for the Germans easyer to learn Dutch,than  German for the Dutch
people.
Speaking is one but writning is a other thing!!
Greetings Betty



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[OL]again Hollandgangerei

Date: 2000/08/05 19:41:12
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

heikoahlers wrote:
 
For some reason German 'Stukkateurs' were very fashionable in Amsterdam -
you know, those guys who make all those stukko ceilings. I don't know if
Dutch men were not able to handle gypsum, at least what I heard was that a
German Stukkateur was what you had to have back then.
 
My question:
I never find any references to "stukkateurs" in literature about Hollandgangerei.
Maybe a direct quote  is possible.
 
Heikoahlers wrote also:
What we learned from this discussion is that perhaps people from (catholic)
south OL migrated more often than people from (protestant) north OL. This
could be true, as there are quite a few catholic families in the southern
Groninger Veenkolonieen and in Drenthe, adjacent to catholic Emsland (there
are some Ahlers, too, unknown to me yet). 
 
My question:
German workers were referenced as "papen" of "poepen" a nickname for catholic people.
Although from 1585 on there was a constant flow of lutherian immigrants and the lutherian
religion was the third religion in that time. I never find any reference in the description of
Hollandgangerei about nicknames or what so ever about lutherian people. Are lutherian people
more permanent settlers and catholic people more the season workers? If so why?
 
Heikoahlers wrote:
As a well-off family you had a maid from Germany, so many girls found
their way to Amsterdam (and probably other places in the Randstad).
 
My remarks:
After the first worldwar when the poverty was great in Germany more then approximately 100.000 young unmarried german women tried to find work outsite Germany. In Holland in the beginning of the period 1920-1930 the estimates runs from 90.000 to 200.000 Maedchen were  working for well doing dutch and sometimes for well doing german emmigrants (Hirsch, Brenninkmeyer, etc.). (Remember the German emperor was living in Doorn nearby Utrecht and he wasn't the only german immigrant). The german Evangelisch Verein had  placed a  in Amsterdam and later in Haarlem and The Hague a so called "Fuersorgerin" who organised evenings and some educationfor the german girls.  Goal of this effort  was  to preserved the german girls far away from home (in the dangerous and unmoral Holland) for "Got, Kirche und Vaterland".
Source: Barbara Henkes in : 'Deutsche Evangelische Maedchenverein bruggen, barrieres bij de vestiging van Duitse vrouwen gedurende het interbellum'; in ''Nieuwe Nederlanders:Vestiging van Immigranten door de eeuwen heen''.

[OL]zu Hone book

Date: 2000/08/05 20:08:25
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Has anyone on the list ever read/used the book "Pastor Heinrich zu Höne und 
seine Familienforschung" by Otto zu Höne.  The LDS catalog lists several 
families such as Sündermann, Nieske, Deye, Tabeling, Kathmann, Wolke, 
Schuling,Klostermann, Höne, Witte and Ellmann.  I do not have any of these 
families, but I was curious about the book and what else it might contain.

Thanks,

Don


[OL](Fwd) Re: Hollandgaenger und Buesgaenger

Date: 2000/08/05 20:44:49
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

Auf meine Frage was Büsgänger sind antwortete Werner folgend:

Das Wort Büsgänger dürfte von der alten Bezeichung "Buise" oder
"Buyse" -einem Fischkutter- abgeleitet sein, vermutlich aus dem
Holländischen. Früher habe ich das Wort "Buise" auch hier an der 
Küste schon manchmal gehört. In einem Empfehlungsschreiben 
des Pastors Vahlending von 1817 an die Stettiner 
"Heringsfischerey Companie" schreibt er von einem 
"Heringsschiffe oder Buysschiff", an anderer Stelle "Buysen". 
Daraus dürfte sich für die Mannschaft der Sammelbegriff "Buis-
gang" später "Büsgang" gebildet haben. Wenn sich später aus der 
Silbe ...gang = ...gänger gebildet hat, so dürfte das im Ursprung 
nichts mit "gehen" zu tun haben. Dies ist aber lediglich meine 
Theorie. Ich werde im Yacht-Club mal die ganz alten Hasen danach
befragen.

Werner
===========================

Ich dachte das andere auch so etwas wissen möchten. Mir war der 
Begriff unbekannt.
fred

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609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]again Hollandgangerei

Date: 2000/08/05 22:05:42
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 5 Aug 2000, at 10:24, Paul Rowold wrote:

> My question:
> German workers were referenced as "papen" of "poepen" a nickname for
> catholic people. Although from 1585 on there was a constant flow of
> lutherian immigrants and the lutherian religion was the third religion
> in that time. I never find any reference in the description of
> Hollandgangerei about nicknames or what so ever about lutherian
> people. Are lutherian people more permanent settlers and catholic
> people more the season workers? If so why?

This was a rather deragatory term as the religious difference were 
quite mean in those days. It hadn't been that long when they still 
killed each other because of religion. So the word Popists or 
Papists was used until the early 20th century by the predominant 
Protestants against a minority RC population. This was the same 
whether Holland, England or America. Cartoons were nasty and so 
were people. You would not find the same thing against Lutherans 
because Catholics were more tolerant. Just kidding. But if you lived 
in RC areas the prejudice against people of other faiths was just as 
bad. I don't know what they called the Protestants but "heathens" 
was what was in their mind and they would certainly let them know 
about it too. 

In Europe all this changed after WW2 when the world got more 
mixed up and refugees from everywhere created a more 
heterogeneous religious population.

None of this had anything to do with permanent or seasonal 
settlement in my opinion.

Fred

  
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]again Hollandgangerei

Date: 2000/08/05 22:36:07
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 5 Aug 2000, at 10:24, Paul Rowold wrote:

> My remarks:
> After the first worldwar when the poverty was great in Germany more
> then approximately 100.000 young unmarried german women tried to find
> work outsite Germany. In Holland in the beginning of the period
> 1920-1930 the estimates runs from 90.000 to 200.000 Maedchen were 
> working for well doing dutch and sometimes for well doing german
> emmigrants (Hirsch, Brenninkmeyer, etc.). (Remember the German emperor
> was living in Doorn nearby Utrecht and he wasn't the only german
> immigrant). The german Evangelisch Verein had  placed a  in Amsterdam
> and later in Haarlem and The Hague a so called "Fuersorgerin" who
> organised evenings and some educationfor the german girls.  Goal of
> this effort  was  to preserved the german girls far away from home (in
> the dangerous and unmoral Holland) for "Got, Kirche und Vaterland".

On the other hand there is an entire article entitled "Met het doel 
daar te arbeiten" (with the intention to work over there) about the 
Dutch who went to work in Germany between 1870 and 1918 when 
the economies had switched for them. Even then there was no real 
border between Holland and Germany as the peatbreaker Harmen 
von Horten from Drenthe reports: "Een van de jongens wist dat de 
grens niks was, je liep er zomaar over (...), Tot onze verwondering 
was de grens inderdaad niks. Wij noemden de grens toen de grup. 
Van de hele grens zag je niks, totaal niks." (basically he is 
astounded that there really was no border as all the kids had been 
saying) 

What we see in people is that they go to where they can earn a 
living. Emigration to America has been a primary example of this 
process. 

On the matter of Stuccateurs - these came from the Kirchspiele of 
Osternburg, Hatten and Wardenburg in northern Oldenburg. They 
pretty much had a monopoly on stucco work in Holland but were 
never very numerous. In 1860 it is was estimated to be around 400-
600 of them. They typically travelled from job to jon from around 
Easter to the fall harvest. The unmarried ones might have even 
stayed on year around, depending on available work. Once wall 
paper and paint came into vogue demand for their work started to 
drop off. By 1890 they no longer went to Holland but worked more 
in the Westphalian cities where fancy stucco work was still in 
demand. 

Fred


26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]zu Hone book

Date: 2000/08/06 00:12:25
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Don,

I had the chance to study this book for part of a day in April, in
Cincinnati, with the help of Jack Wellman there.  I found no direct family
members of mine, but did find some Witte family, who may be ancestors of
in-laws.  I did find three brothers Niehaus, all of whom became Catholic
priests, but they do not appear to be related to us, except a long time in
the past.  The book is a register of people who lived in Pastor zu Hone's
area in ?? Westphalia??  I will check.

I will look for my notes on this rersearch and write again, but it is not in
the file it should be in my lair (computer study.).

Bob Niehaus
rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
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To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:58 PM
Subject: [OL]zu Hone book


> Has anyone on the list ever read/used the book "Pastor Heinrich zu Höne
und
> seine Familienforschung" by Otto zu Höne.  The LDS catalog lists several
> families such as Sündermann, Nieske, Deye, Tabeling, Kathmann, Wolke,
> Schuling,Klostermann, Höne, Witte and Ellmann.  I do not have any of these
> families, but I was curious about the book and what else it might contain.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
>
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Re: [OL]zu Hone book

Date: 2000/08/06 00:18:59
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Bob, 

You mentioned that you studied the book in Cincinnati.  Did this Jack Wellman 
own the book, or was it at the library?

Thanks,

Don


Re: [OL]zu Hone book

Date: 2000/08/06 00:27:32
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Don,

Jack owns the book, I believe.  His Email address:  <jwellma(a)email.msn.com>

Bob Niehaus
rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
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To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]zu Hone book


> Bob,
>
> You mentioned that you studied the book in Cincinnati.  Did this Jack
Wellman
> own the book, or was it at the library?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don
>
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Re: [OL]zu Hone book

Date: 2000/08/06 00:32:30
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 8/5/00 6:18:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
rniehaus(a)mindspring.com writes:

<< Jack owns the book, I believe.  His Email address:  <jwellma(a)email.msn.com>
  >>

Thanks Bob.  I'll try e-mailing him.

Don


Re: [OL]nochmal Hollandgaengerei

Date: 2000/08/06 04:03:33
From: Trcsec <Trcsec(a)aol.com>

Betty,  
Thank you for writting a very interesting letter about the Hollandgaengerei.  
Do not worry about your English, I had no trouble reading it.  I am 
researching the Theodore OLDIGES family, from Boerger, Germany, John EITING, 
from Bocholt, Germany, Anton HAVERBECK, Kathering LUCKMAN, and Herman 
DILLMAN.  They settled in Minster, Ohio and many came from the Oldenburg area.
Terry Staub
Dayton, Ohio


Re: [OL]again Hollandgangerei

Date: 2000/08/06 04:51:50
From: John Geyssen <jgeyssen(a)valleynet.on.ca>

This was the case with one of my ancesters - Gerhard Friedrich Knetemann 
who was born in Wardenburg in 1849, went to Amsterdam as a stuukadoor 
(plasterer) while there he married Alida Maria Wijman Dekeling and stayed 
in Amsterdam and the Knetemann's are still there and a lot of them 
remained in the same trade as Gerhard.

Thanks for the little history lesson

John Geyssen

 
    
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On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:

> On 5 Aug 2000, at 10:24, Paul Rowold wrote:
> 
> > My remarks:
> > After the first worldwar when the poverty was great in Germany more
> > then approximately 100.000 young unmarried german women tried to find
> > work outsite Germany. In Holland in the beginning of the period
> > 1920-1930 the estimates runs from 90.000 to 200.000 Maedchen were 
> > working for well doing dutch and sometimes for well doing german
> > emmigrants (Hirsch, Brenninkmeyer, etc.). (Remember the German emperor
> > was living in Doorn nearby Utrecht and he wasn't the only german
> > immigrant). The german Evangelisch Verein had  placed a  in Amsterdam
> > and later in Haarlem and The Hague a so called "Fuersorgerin" who
> > organised evenings and some educationfor the german girls.  Goal of
> > this effort  was  to preserved the german girls far away from home (in
> > the dangerous and unmoral Holland) for "Got, Kirche und Vaterland".
> 
> On the other hand there is an entire article entitled "Met het doel 
> daar te arbeiten" (with the intention to work over there) about the 
> Dutch who went to work in Germany between 1870 and 1918 when 
> the economies had switched for them. Even then there was no real 
> border between Holland and Germany as the peatbreaker Harmen 
> von Horten from Drenthe reports: "Een van de jongens wist dat de 
> grens niks was, je liep er zomaar over (...), Tot onze verwondering 
> was de grens inderdaad niks. Wij noemden de grens toen de grup. 
> Van de hele grens zag je niks, totaal niks." (basically he is 
> astounded that there really was no border as all the kids had been 
> saying) 
> 
> What we see in people is that they go to where they can earn a 
> living. Emigration to America has been a primary example of this 
> process. 
> 
> On the matter of Stuccateurs - these came from the Kirchspiele of 
> Osternburg, Hatten and Wardenburg in northern Oldenburg. They 
> pretty much had a monopoly on stucco work in Holland but were 
> never very numerous. In 1860 it is was estimated to be around 400-
> 600 of them. They typically travelled from job to jon from around 
> Easter to the fall harvest. The unmarried ones might have even 
> stayed on year around, depending on available work. Once wall 
> paper and paint came into vogue demand for their work started to 
> drop off. By 1890 they no longer went to Holland but worked more 
> in the Westphalian cities where fancy stucco work was still in 
> demand. 
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
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RE:FANGMAN [OL] Mescher

Date: 2000/08/06 08:42:49
From: margaret <margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>

I have forefathers Fangman/Fanckmann who derived from Bakum /
Brocke/Lohndorf. 
Joes Henricus Fanckmann (bapt April 8th 1685 in Lohne) married Metta
Margaretha Deiters January 28th 1710 in Vechta
Their son Hermann Fanckmann came to Holland and married there supposedly
twice (possibly died in Spaarnwoude which is near Haarlem). Hermanss's
sister Anna Maria Fanckmann also came to Holland same area and married Joan
Stueve October 13th 1`750 in Bakum. Their son Hendrik Stueve came to Holland
also Haarlem area and marrie Anna van Schooten. They are my direct
ancestors.
Much of the information comes from Bernd Bloemer (thank you forever Bernd). 
This winter I will go back to the archives here and hope to find more
details on this group through notary and judicial records. I have reason to
believe that more came here. 
Currently I find two listings of Fanfman's in Amsterdam phonebook.
Gruss
Margaret 

Margaret R.M. Rijkelijkhuizen 
Elsa BrandstrÖmstr 44  2037-LS Haarlem The Netherlands       
email: margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net
eFax/eVoice +31 (0)20 870-0463 

Researching the following direct ancestors (kwartierstaat) 
van der Aer, Albers, van Antwerpen, Averberg, Avercamp, van der Beck,
Bertels, de Beus, Billiens, van Blankenstein, uit den Boe, Bockers, Book,
van Bourgonje, Bramer,van Breukelen, Breukers, van der Brull, Cappelhaus,
van der Cleij, Coenen, Deiters, van Diest, van Dordt, Duineveld, Ebbe,
Erfoort, Fanckman, van Gaal, Gast, Gelardi, Glazenmaker, de Goijer, van
'sGravenmade, Haar, den Harder, van Hazelendonck, Heere, van der Heijden,
Hoogenboom, Hoogers, van Hoorn, Hoppenbrouwer, Hijmans,  de Jong, Jonker,
Kaak, Kappeteijn, Kerkvliet, van Keuls, van der Klugt, de Koning, Korrel,
Krijne, van der Laan, Lammers, Langeveld, van der Lans, Lantsman, van
Leeuwen, Lefebre, van der Lelie, van Lelieveldt, van der Leth, Leugers, van
der Loos, Mareveld, van Medemblik, Moellering/Moellers, Moerkerk, Mosterman,
Nelis, Nieuwlandt, Nijenhuijs, van Os, van Ottelen, Oudemolen, Paardekooper,
Pel, Perk, Prenger, Pruijm, Quint, Randeraat, Renckens, Rensen, Reijerse, de
Rode, van Roon, Ruijgrok, de Ruijter, van Rijckelijckhuijsen, Salari,
Sandbrink,  Schoorl, van Schooten, Schrama, Schutte, Smink, Solari,
Sprokkelenburg,  Staringks,  Starkenburg,  Stens, van Strien,  Stuve,
Sylvester,  van Tetrode, van Thien, Treckeler, van Tuyl, van Velzen,
Verduijn/Voorduijn, Vernath, van Vliet, de Vlieger, in den Vogelendonck,
Voorendt, Vrolijk, van Wadenoyen, Wenker, Westerbeek, Westgeest, Wevers,
v/d Wielen, van Wieringen, de Wilden, Wilms, Wilhelmer, Wijsmans, Xanders,
Zuijdervaart, van der Zwet 

Also (van) Rijk/Reeck/en/lijck//huijzen in all its many variations. 



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:19 AM


Yes, Margaret Mescher who married Henrich Anton Honkomp is shown as a 
daughter of Tobias and Margaretha Mescher.  Other children were Frank Sr.,
Elizabeth m. Hermans Fangmann, Clem, Andrew, and Henry.

john

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[OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/06 10:38:31
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>

Dear Mr. ???,

I can tell you that I´ve often lent this book in our
library in Osnabrück. I´ve got a lot of ancestors from
the Bakum/Vestrup-area like GRAFE/GRAVE, THOBE,
KATHMANN, HOYER and so on...

I´m not sure if you´re researching for families from
the Vestrup or Bakum area. Please mail me if you want
further informations. I´ve copied some notices from my
surnames I´m looking for...

Have always a good and a happy hunting!

Lothar Grafe from Osnabrück, Germany
Haesli2(a)yahoo.com
--- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:
> Has anyone on the list ever read/used the book
> "Pastor Heinrich zu Höne und 
> seine Familienforschung" by Otto zu Höne.  The LDS
> catalog lists several 
> families such as Sündermann, Nieske, Deye, Tabeling,
> Kathmann, Wolke, 
> Schuling,Klostermann, Höne, Witte and Ellmann.  I do
> not have any of these 
> families, but I was curious about the book and what
> else it might contain.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don
> 
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=====
I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)

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[OL]rniehaus(a)mindspring.com

Date: 2000/08/06 10:44:33
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>

Hi, Mr. Niehaus,

I can tell you which area it was. It is mainly the
Bakum-Vechta-Vestrup area where the families came from
who Pastor zu Höne wrote.

I´ve got a lot of ancestors from this area. My oldest
ancestor, Mr. Hermann Heinrich Grave (my surname is
GRAFE) was born on May 7th, 1711 in Lüsche near Bakum
Kreis ("County") Vechta.

If you want further informations please let me know
it. I´ve copied some notices of this book.

Always a good and a happy hunting!

Lothar Grafe from Osnabrück, Germany
Haesli2(a)yahoo.com
--- Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
> Don,
> 
> I had the chance to study this book for part of a
> day in April, in
> Cincinnati, with the help of Jack Wellman there.  I
> found no direct family
> members of mine, but did find some Witte family, who
> may be ancestors of
> in-laws.  I did find three brothers Niehaus, all of
> whom became Catholic
> priests, but they do not appear to be related to us,
> except a long time in
> the past.  The book is a register of people who
> lived in Pastor zu Hone's
> area in ?? Westphalia??  I will check.
> 
> I will look for my notes on this rersearch and write
> again, but it is not in
> the file it should be in my lair (computer study.).
> 
> Bob Niehaus
> rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Dem13(a)aol.com>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 1:58 PM
> Subject: [OL]zu Hone book
> 
> 
> > Has anyone on the list ever read/used the book
> "Pastor Heinrich zu Höne
> und
> > seine Familienforschung" by Otto zu Höne.  The LDS
> catalog lists several
> > families such as Sündermann, Nieske, Deye,
> Tabeling, Kathmann, Wolke,
> > Schuling,Klostermann, Höne, Witte and Ellmann.  I
> do not have any of these
> > families, but I was curious about the book and
> what else it might contain.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Don
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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> 
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Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/06 12:10:31
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listers.
yesterday I saw this book in the bookshop in the Bergstraße in Oldenburg.
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lothar Grafe" <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:28 AM
Subject: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com


> Dear Mr. ???,
>
> I can tell you that I´ve often lent this book in our
> library in Osnabrück. I´ve got a lot of ancestors from
> the Bakum/Vestrup-area like GRAFE/GRAVE, THOBE,
> KATHMANN, HOYER and so on...
>
> I´m not sure if you´re researching for families from
> the Vestrup or Bakum area. Please mail me if you want
> further informations. I´ve copied some notices from my
> surnames I´m looking for...
>
> Have always a good and a happy hunting!
>
> Lothar Grafe from Osnabrück, Germany
> Haesli2(a)yahoo.com
> --- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:
> > Has anyone on the list ever read/used the book
> > "Pastor Heinrich zu Höne und
> > seine Familienforschung" by Otto zu Höne.  The LDS
> > catalog lists several
> > families such as Sündermann, Nieske, Deye, Tabeling,
> > Kathmann, Wolke,
> > Schuling,Klostermann, Höne, Witte and Ellmann.  I do
> > not have any of these
> > families, but I was curious about the book and what
> > else it might contain.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Don
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Oldenburg-L mailing list
> > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> >
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
>
>
> =====
> I am researching for;
Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Fri
eling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wüb
belmann-(they all come from the area;
Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
> http://invites.yahoo.com/
>
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>



[OL]Holman

Date: 2000/08/06 15:22:03
From: Harm Westra <h.westra(a)castel.nl>

Ik ben op zoek naar mijn voorouders. Jan Derx Holman werd in de omgeving van
Oldenburg geboren (13-11-1698) en is overleden tussen 1738 en 1746.
Aangenomen wordt dat hij een zoon is van Derk Holman. Deze Derk zou uit het
leger van Bernard van Galen zijn gedeserteerd tijdens of omstreeks het beleg
van de stad Groningen (Nl). Wie kan mij meer over deze Holmans vertellen.

Harm Westra
h.westra(a)castel.nl



[OL]Wueppels or Wuppels

Date: 2000/08/06 16:09:12
From: krownest <krownest(a)email.msn.com>

where is Wueppels or Wuppels, Germany located?  is it possible to obtain church records from there? is there an OSB from Hohenkirchen that would include Wueppels?
 
if anyone has any info, i would appreciate it.
 
thanks-
 
Krownest

Re: [OL]Holman

Date: 2000/08/06 17:31:35
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Dag,

als hij in het leger van Bommen Berend was, zou ik denken dat hij katoliek
was, dus kwam hij waarschijnlijk uit het huidige 'Südoldenburg' (de
Landkreise Cloppenburg en Vechta). Een beetje raar, omdat die regio toen nog
deel uitmaakde von het Bisdom Münster, eerst in 1803 kwam die regio aan
Oldenburg. Ik weet niet of iemand uit b.v. Vechta zijn geboorteplaats als
'in de omgeving van Oldenburg' beschreven had.
De naam 'Holman' komt vooral in Zuid Duitsland voor, Holmann en Hollmann ook
in het noorden, naar het schijnt is 'Hollmann' vaak in Westfalen en Emsland.

Groetjes
Heiko Ahlers, Oldenburg

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Harm Westra <h.westra(a)castel.nl>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Sonntag, 6. August 2000 15:14
Betreff: [OL]Holman


>Ik ben op zoek naar mijn voorouders. Jan Derx Holman werd in de omgeving
van
>Oldenburg geboren (13-11-1698) en is overleden tussen 1738 en 1746.
>Aangenomen wordt dat hij een zoon is van Derk Holman. Deze Derk zou uit het
>leger van Bernard van Galen zijn gedeserteerd tijdens of omstreeks het
beleg
>van de stad Groningen (Nl). Wie kan mij meer over deze Holmans vertellen.
>
>Harm Westra
>h.westra(a)castel.nl
>
>
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Re: [OL]Wueppels or Wuppels

Date: 2000/08/06 18:19:54
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Hello,
W"uppels is about 2 miles southeast of Hohenkirchen, some 5 miles northeast of Jever. I do not know which parish it belonged to, might be Hohenkirchen, but also Wiarden, Oldorf, Hooksiel, Waddewarden ?
Regards
Heiko
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: krownest <krownest(a)email.msn.com>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Sonntag, 6. August 2000 17:47
Betreff: [OL]Wueppels or Wuppels

where is Wueppels or Wuppels, Germany located?  is it possible to obtain church records from there? is there an OSB from Hohenkirchen that would include Wueppels?
 
if anyone has any info, i would appreciate it.
 
thanks-
 
Krownest

[OL]Loeningen

Date: 2000/08/06 18:38:12
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

Hi,

whoever is interested in Löningen may want to look at this page 
especially the book "Löningen in Vergangenheit und Gegenwart" 
which is a 750 page history of the town.

http://www.schmuecker-druckhaus.de/

Fred

PS I don't know if they ship to the US. I ordered mine through the 
Stern Verlag where I get all my books.
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/06 18:55:40
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Dear Lothar and Ingrid,

Thank you for your messages.  

Lothar: I only have one family that I know of that may be from Bakum so far.  
It is a Bernard Heinrich Künnig (later Künne in Langförden) born in Bakum 
around 1730.  I found a Johann Bernard Künnig born in 1731 in Bakum.  I think 
they may be the same person because Bernard Heinrich and Anna Margretha 
Lamping married in Langförden in 1766, but the only Bernard or Heinrich Künne 
in Langförden for the 1749 Status Animarum was a "Bernd Künning ex Bacomb 
(?sp)," 18 years old.  (There was a Bernd Henrich Kühling, but he was only 10 
years old (should have been about 20), and I thought the name was too far 
off.)

I was primarily interested in this book because the LDS also listed it as 
having families from Dinklage and Damme, but I also wanted to check on this 
Bakum possibility.

If you have any information that might coincide with yours, it would be 
greatly appreciated.

Ingrid:  Do you know what the name of the bookshop was where you saw the book?

Thanks again to both of you,

Don Meyer


Re: [OL]Wueppels or Wuppels

Date: 2000/08/06 18:58:55
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 6 Aug 2000, at 18:10, heikoahlers wrote:

> Hello,
> W"uppels is about 2 miles southeast of Hohenkirchen, some 5 miles
> northeast of Jever. I do not know which parish it belonged to, might
> be Hohenkirchen, but also Wiarden, Oldorf, Hooksiel, Waddewarden ?
> Regards Heiko

Wüppels was its own Kirchspiel with its own church. Before 1814 it 
belonged the Vogtei Oldorf after to the Amt Minsen. In 1815 it 
contained 80 houses in which 409 people lived. It was 8.26 sq km 
in size and all marshland.

Fred


>     -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>     Von: krownest <krownest(a)email.msn.com>
>     An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
>     Datum: Sonntag, 6. August 2000 17:47
>     Betreff: [OL]Wueppels or Wuppels
> 
> 
>     where is Wueppels or Wuppels, Germany located?  is it possible to
>     obtain church records from there? is there an OSB from
>     Hohenkirchen that would include Wueppels?
> 
>     if anyone has any info, i would appreciate it.
> 
>     thanks- 
> 
>     Krownest
> 


26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/06 19:34:24
From: John C Polking <polking(a)rice.edu>

I have ancestors from Bakum.  The surnames include Stalmann, Siemer,
Busse, Landwehr, and Moormann.  I am very much interested in knowing how
to get a copy of the book "Pastor Heinrich zu Höne und seine
Familienforschung" by Otto zu Höne.



Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:
> 
> Dear Lothar and Ingrid,
> 
> Thank you for your messages.
> 
> Lothar: I only have one family that I know of that may be from Bakum so far.
> It is a Bernard Heinrich Künnig (later Künne in Langförden) born in Bakum
> around 1730.  I found a Johann Bernard Künnig born in 1731 in Bakum.  I think
> they may be the same person because Bernard Heinrich and Anna Margretha
> Lamping married in Langförden in 1766, but the only Bernard or Heinrich Künne
> in Langförden for the 1749 Status Animarum was a "Bernd Künning ex Bacomb
> (?sp)," 18 years old.  (There was a Bernd Henrich Kühling, but he was only 10
> years old (should have been about 20), and I thought the name was too far
> off.)
> 
> I was primarily interested in this book because the LDS also listed it as
> having families from Dinklage and Damme, but I also wanted to check on this
> Bakum possibility.
> 
> If you have any information that might coincide with yours, it would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Ingrid:  Do you know what the name of the bookshop was where you saw the book?
> 
> Thanks again to both of you,
> 
> Don Meyer
> 
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Re: [OL]Loeningen

Date: 2000/08/06 19:36:50
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Wolfgang Fred Rump schreef:

> Hi,
>
> whoever is interested in Löningen may want to look at this page
> especially the book "Löningen in Vergangenheit und Gegenwart"
> which is a 750 page history of the town.
>
> http://www.schmuecker-druckhaus.de/
>
> Fred
>
> PS I don't know if they ship to the US. I ordered mine through the
> Stern Verlag where I get all my books.
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
> fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l

Hi Fred,
Yes they do ship it to the USA, its  by normal post that take a long
time ,but sheeper, or whit UPS, quicker but more expensive.
You can phone,and aske  to Frau Kirchner,but only they speak
German by the Schmucker verlag.
greetings Betty





[OL]Controle van mijn e-mail adressen; Check of my e-mail adresses

Date: 2000/08/06 20:34:11
From: Alfons Santen <santen(a)wxs.nl>

Ik stuur dit bericht om mijn e-mail adressen te controleren.
Je hoeft niet te reageren.

This is just to check my e-mail addresses. You don't have to respond


M.vr.gr/regards
Alfons Santen
mailto:santen(a)wxs.nl
http://www.xanten.org/




Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/06 22:13:22
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Ingrid,
kannst Du mir sagen in welchem Buchladen in der Bergstrasse Du das Buch gesehen hast. Ist es Reprint?
Werner

> Hallo Listers.
> yesterday I saw this book in the bookshop in the Bergstraße in Oldenburg.
> Ingrid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lothar Grafe" <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:28 AM
> Subject: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com


>> Dear Mr. ???,
>>
>> I can tell you that I´ve often lent this book in our
>> library in Osnabrück. I´ve got a lot of ancestors from
>> the Bakum/Vestrup-area like GRAFE/GRAVE, THOBE,
>> KATHMANN, HOYER and so on...
>>
>> I´m not sure if you´re researching for families from
>> the Vestrup or Bakum area. Please mail me if you want
>> further informations. I´ve copied some notices from my
>> surnames I´m looking for...
>>
>> Have always a good and a happy hunting!
>>
>> Lothar Grafe from Osnabrück, Germany
>> Haesli2(a)yahoo.com
>> --- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:
>> > Has anyone on the list ever read/used the book
>> > "Pastor Heinrich zu Höne und
>> > seine Familienforschung" by Otto zu Höne.  The LDS
>> > catalog lists several
>> > families such as Sündermann, Nieske, Deye, Tabeling,
>> > Kathmann, Wolke,
>> > Schuling,Klostermann, Höne, Witte and Ellmann.  I do
>> > not have any of these
>> > families, but I was curious about the book and what
>> > else it might contain.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Don
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Oldenburg-L mailing list
>> > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>> >
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
>>
>>
>> =====
>> I am researching for;
> Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-F
> ri
> eling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-W
> üb
> belmann-(they all come from the area;
> Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> Do You Yahoo!?
>> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
>> http://invites.yahoo.com/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Oldenburg-L mailing list
>> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
>>


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Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/06 22:23:22
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Don,
I´m not realy sure but I think it was
Buchhandlung Plaggenborg
  Bergstr.1
  26122 Oldenburg
phone (0441) 17543
Fax (0441)  17528
they have a lot of old Oldenburg Books, naturally in German. I hope you
understand this.
There is also a new Book which is a "Standardwerk" called "Oldenburg, ein
heimatkundliches Nachschlagewerk" Neubearbeitung der ersten Auflage von 1965
;Herausgeber: Verband Bildung und Erziehung, Arbeitskreis für Heimatkunde,
Friedrich Schmücker Druckhaus und Verlag, Löningen; ISBN: 3-980 6575-1-5
It is like an encyclopaedia. You find there nearly all about the Oldenburg
region what ever is published. Any article is given the authority, so that
you can look there for more information. If you understand German this is
THE BOOK for you researching in Ol.
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU
____________________________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1823 als
Witwer und Gefangenenwärter in Neuenburg beurkundet ist; Georg Seelig aus
Bobersberg (bei Frankfurt/Oder)( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe
geheiratet und war zu dem Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
______________________







RE: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/06 22:32:48
From: margaret <margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>

Ingrid, what are they charging for the book?

Margaret

Margaret R.M. Rijkelijkhuizen
Elsa Brandstromstr. 44 Haarlem 2037-LS The Netherlands
email: margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net <mailto:margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>
Tel +31 (0)23-536-8791  gsm 06 - 5105-2079
eFax/eVoice +31 (0)20 870-0463




-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Ingrid Heine
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:56 PM
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com


Hallo Don,
I´m not realy sure but I think it was
Buchhandlung Plaggenborg
  Bergstr.1
  26122 Oldenburg
phone (0441) 17543
Fax (0441)  17528
they have a lot of old Oldenburg Books, naturally in German. I hope you
understand this.
There is also a new Book which is a "Standardwerk" called "Oldenburg, ein
heimatkundliches Nachschlagewerk" Neubearbeitung der ersten Auflage von 1965
;Herausgeber: Verband Bildung und Erziehung, Arbeitskreis für Heimatkunde,
Friedrich Schmücker Druckhaus und Verlag, Löningen; ISBN: 3-980 6575-1-5
It is like an encyclopaedia. You find there nearly all about the Oldenburg
region what ever is published. Any article is given the authority, so that
you can look there for more information. If you understand German this is
THE BOOK for you researching in Ol.
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU
____________________________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1823 als
Witwer und Gefangenenwärter in Neuenburg beurkundet ist; Georg Seelig aus
Bobersberg (bei Frankfurt/Oder)( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe
geheiratet und war zu dem Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
______________________






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RE: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/07 05:05:02
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 6 Aug 2000, at 22:18, margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net wrote:

> Ingrid, what are they charging for the book?

49,-DM
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/07 19:23:55
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Thanks Ingrid, I'll try to reach Plaggenborg tomorrow.

Don


Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com

Date: 2000/08/07 20:16:52
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Halo Margaret, Fred gives you the answer:
> Ingrid, what are they charging for the book?

49,-DM
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


----- Original Message -----
From: <margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com


> Ingrid, what are they charging for the book?
>
> Margaret
>
> Margaret R.M. Rijkelijkhuizen
> Elsa Brandstromstr. 44 Haarlem 2037-LS The Netherlands
> email: margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net <mailto:margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>
> Tel +31 (0)23-536-8791  gsm 06 - 5105-2079
> eFax/eVoice +31 (0)20 870-0463
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Ingrid Heine
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 8:56 PM
> To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [OL]Dem13(a)aol.com
>
>
> Hallo Don,
> I´m not realy sure but I think it was
> Buchhandlung Plaggenborg
>   Bergstr.1
>   26122 Oldenburg
> phone (0441) 17543
> Fax (0441)  17528
> they have a lot of old Oldenburg Books, naturally in German. I hope you
> understand this.
> There is also a new Book which is a "Standardwerk" called "Oldenburg, ein
> heimatkundliches Nachschlagewerk" Neubearbeitung der ersten Auflage von
1965
> ;Herausgeber: Verband Bildung und Erziehung, Arbeitskreis für Heimatkunde,
> Friedrich Schmücker Druckhaus und Verlag, Löningen; ISBN: 3-980 6575-1-5
> It is like an encyclopaedia. You find there nearly all about the Oldenburg
> region what ever is published. Any article is given the authority, so that
> you can look there for more information. If you understand German this is
> THE BOOK for you researching in Ol.
> Ingrid
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> Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
> Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1823 als
> Witwer und Gefangenenwärter in Neuenburg beurkundet ist; Georg Seelig aus
> Bobersberg (bei Frankfurt/Oder)( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe
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[OL] Osnabrueck Record's

Date: 2000/08/07 22:22:45
From: Gail Meyer Kilgore <gkilgore(a)primenet.com>

Hi Lothar,

I understand that you are in Osnabrück.  Is there a chance that you are
familiar with the following?   The National and JUDICIAL Archives are in
Osnabrück!

If you are not, I am wondering if you could get a message to my cousin in
Osnabrück to go to these archives and search them for me?

Gail Meyer Kilgore
Casa Grande, AZ

When the door of happiness closes, another opens, but often times we look so
long at the closed door that we don't see the one which has been opened for
us.





[OL]I need some help

Date: 2000/08/08 06:57:10
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

Hi listmembers,

as most of you know, I started a bunch of lists some years ago and 
have been taking care of most of them since the beginning. On 
occasion I can't very well get to a phone line and some items are 
left hanging for a bit. This is when we are in our RV and on the road. 

I would like to ask for one or more volunteers for each list who can 
spell me a bit as needed. It's not a full time thing but it's also an 
easy job just to handle the bounces, mailbox full messages etc. You 
would become sort of a part time co-listowner. I would tell you what 
to do and when to do it. 

I handle the following lists and would appreciate it if I could get a 
hand. 

Please let me know which list you could help out with and I'll see 
how this can work. 

Fred








[OL]genealogie Holman

Date: 2000/08/08 19:12:51
From: Harm Westra <h.westra(a)castel.nl>

Beste lijstgenoten

Onlangs stelde ik een vraag over ene Holman uit Oldenburg. Deze vraag zal ik
van wat meer gegevens voorzien. Wie heeft van deze Holman (Holmann?) meer
gegevens? Of weet een manier waarop ik meer gegevens zou kunnen krijgen?

Het betreft:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
GEZINSBLAD    Derk HOLMAN [518]

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
MAN
         naam Derk HOLMAN [518]
       beroep militair
         info Waarschijnlijk gedeserteerd. Zie artikel bij Jan Derx Holman.
       opmaak 11.06.1999
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
RELATIE
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
VROUW
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
KINDEREN
M        naam Jan Derx HOLMAN [839] rel 294
      geboren 13.11.1698 te Oldenburgerland (Dld)
    overleden t1738-1746
       gehuwd 09.04.1719 te Leek Trientien Karstens  [840]


groeten

Harm



Re: [OL]genealogie Holman

Date: 2000/08/08 19:25:18
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Harm Westra schreef:

> Beste lijstgenoten
>
> Onlangs stelde ik een vraag over ene Holman uit Oldenburg. Deze vraag zal ik
> van wat meer gegevens voorzien. Wie heeft van deze Holman (Holmann?) meer
> gegevens? Of weet een manier waarop ik meer gegevens zou kunnen krijgen?
>
> Het betreft:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> GEZINSBLAD    Derk HOLMAN [518]
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> MAN
>          naam Derk HOLMAN [518]
>        beroep militair
>          info Waarschijnlijk gedeserteerd. Zie artikel bij Jan Derx Holman.
>        opmaak 11.06.1999
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> RELATIE
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> VROUW
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> KINDEREN
> M        naam Jan Derx HOLMAN [839] rel 294
>       geboren 13.11.1698 te Oldenburgerland (Dld)
>     overleden t1738-1746
>        gehuwd 09.04.1719 te Leek Trientien Karstens  [840]
>
> groeten
>
> Harm
>
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Hallo Harm,
misschien kun je je vraag beter in het engels en of duits stellen,ik wed dat je
dan veel meer respons krijgt.
Omdat de talen zijn die de meeste mensen van deze groep spreken.
groetjes Betty Krull




Re: [OL]genealogie Holman

Date: 2000/08/08 22:20:37
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Dag,
ik begin er echt problemen te krijgen, want in 1698 was er geen
Oldenburgerland. Er was een graafschap Oldenburg tot 1676 of zo, toen
Oldenburg bekwam deel van Denemark. Er was nog steets het 'graafschap
Oldenburg', maar het werdt geregeerdt van Kopenhagen.

Ik ben geen historicus, maar de idee van een 'Oldenburgerland' in 1698
klinkt een beetje vreemd voor mij. Naar mijn mening, het woord
'Oldenburgerland' woord eerst gebruikt naar 1803 of zo.

De groetjes
Heiko Ahlers



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Harm Westra <h.westra(a)castel.nl>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Dienstag, 8. August 2000 19:03
Betreff: [OL]genealogie Holman


>Beste lijstgenoten
>
>Onlangs stelde ik een vraag over ene Holman uit Oldenburg. Deze vraag zal
ik
>van wat meer gegevens voorzien. Wie heeft van deze Holman (Holmann?) meer
>gegevens? Of weet een manier waarop ik meer gegevens zou kunnen krijgen?
>
>Het betreft:
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>----
>GEZINSBLAD    Derk HOLMAN [518]
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>----
>MAN
>         naam Derk HOLMAN [518]
>       beroep militair
>         info Waarschijnlijk gedeserteerd. Zie artikel bij Jan Derx Holman.
>       opmaak 11.06.1999
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>----
>RELATIE
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>----
>VROUW
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>----
>KINDEREN
>M        naam Jan Derx HOLMAN [839] rel 294
>      geboren 13.11.1698 te Oldenburgerland (Dld)
>    overleden t1738-1746
>       gehuwd 09.04.1719 te Leek Trientien Karstens  [840]
>
>
>groeten
>
>Harm
>
>
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Re: [OL]genealogie Holman

Date: 2000/08/09 20:09:41
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Is your Holman catholic or evangelish/lutheran.

Werner

> Beste lijstgenoten

> Onlangs stelde ik een vraag over ene Holman uit Oldenburg. Deze vraag zal
> ik
> van wat meer gegevens voorzien. Wie heeft van deze Holman (Holmann?) meer
> gegevens? Of weet een manier waarop ik meer gegevens zou kunnen krijgen?

> Het betreft:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> ----
> GEZINSBLAD    Derk HOLMAN [518]

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> ----
> MAN
>          naam Derk HOLMAN [518]
>        beroep militair
>          info Waarschijnlijk gedeserteerd. Zie artikel bij Jan Derx
>          Holman.
>        opmaak 11.06.1999
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> ----
> RELATIE
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> ----
> VROUW
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> ----
> KINDEREN
> M        naam Jan Derx HOLMAN [839] rel 294
>       geboren 13.11.1698 te Oldenburgerland (Dld)
>     overleden t1738-1746
>        gehuwd 09.04.1719 te Leek Trientien Karstens  [840]


> groeten

> Harm


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[OL]War "Doppel-s" frueher "sh"

Date: 2000/08/10 09:41:15
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

(english translation follows below)
Hallo Oldenburger,

ist es richtig, dass das heutige "doppel-s" im Namen frueher haeufig
als "sh" geschrieben wurde?
Ich habe auffallend viele Ahnen aus der Zeit um 1800, die LUESHE oder
BUSHE geschrieben wurden und heute LUESSE oder BUSSE heissen.
Irgendwo glaube ich auch einmal gelesen zu haben, dass das "Doppel-s"
auch nur wie ein "sh" aussah.

Hat jemand zufaellig ein eingescanntes Beispiel fuer dieses Phaenomen,
dass er mir per e-Mail zusenden koennte?


Vielen Dank fuer eure Antworten.

Juergen
---------------------
english:
Hi Oldenburgers!

Am I right, that todays "double-s" in names was written as "sh" in
former times?
In my database I have several occurences of name which were written as
LUESHE or BUSHE around 1800 and today are written as LUESSE or BUSHE.
On the other hand I might have red that the "double-s" only looked
like a "sh".

Does anybody have a scanned example for this phenomena which he could
send me by email?

Juergen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38100 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


Re: [OL]War "Doppel-s" frueher "sh"

Date: 2000/08/10 19:58:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Jürgen,
das was da aussieht wie ein "sh" dürfte die ältere Schreibweise von "ß" sein.

Werner


> (english translation follows below)
> Hallo Oldenburger,

> ist es richtig, dass das heutige "doppel-s" im Namen frueher haeufig
> als "sh" geschrieben wurde?
> Ich habe auffallend viele Ahnen aus der Zeit um 1800, die LUESHE oder
> BUSHE geschrieben wurden und heute LUESSE oder BUSSE heissen.
> Irgendwo glaube ich auch einmal gelesen zu haben, dass das "Doppel-s"
> auch nur wie ein "sh" aussah.

> Hat jemand zufaellig ein eingescanntes Beispiel fuer dieses Phaenomen,
> dass er mir per e-Mail zusenden koennte?


> Vielen Dank fuer eure Antworten.

> Juergen
> ---------------------
> english:
> Hi Oldenburgers!

> Am I right, that todays "double-s" in names was written as "sh" in
> former times?
> In my database I have several occurences of name which were written as
> LUESHE or BUSHE around 1800 and today are written as LUESSE or BUSHE.
> On the other hand I might have red that the "double-s" only looked
> like a "sh".

> Does anybody have a scanned example for this phenomena which he could
> send me by email?

> Juergen
> --
> -------------------=======######======-------------------
> Juergen Drees                          38100 Braunschweig
> mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany

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[OL]J.D. Thieschafer *19.2.1850 and Anka Duden *4.2.1847

Date: 2000/08/10 20:37:40
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hello Barbara,
I didn't find these people in the church records of the cities of Oldenburg 
and Delmenhorst. The name Duden appeared in Schortens (Jeverland) in the 18th 
century. It would help us a lot, if you could provide the parish or village 
they came from. 
Gerold Diers  (Oldenburg Genealogical Society.)


[OL]local historical books

Date: 2000/08/10 20:37:53
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

recently there was some correspondance going on about family/village 
historical books.
In Oldenburg, most historical books are published by 
Isensee Verlag, Haarenstr., 26122 Oldenburg. (Try www.isensee.de for their 
internet offerings). However, publications about the southern part of 
Oldenburg and about the Jever area are usually printed elsewhere. 
For books out of print you could try the following antiquarian bookstores.
1. Oldenburger Antiquariat Walter Heinze, 26012 Oldenburg, Lindenallee 33
2. Antiquarische Literatur, Karin Heindl, Peterstr. 46, 26121 Oldenburg
3. Edo Dieckmann, Bergstr. 14, 26122 Oldenburg
(there I saw the book: "Lastrup und seine Bauerschaften" by P. Clemens). 
None of these antiquarian bookstores has an Internet adress yet. 
Gerold Diers 
 


[OL]Catharina Christine Rebecca Eiken geb. 15.2.1842

Date: 2000/08/10 20:39:56
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

An Holger Rudolph,
von 1876 bis 1878 ist für C.C.R. Eiken keine Heirat in Golzwarden vermerkt.
Die Geburt am 15.2.1842 habe ich geprüft. Nach meiner Lesart hieß sie 'Ecken' 
und nicht 'Eiken'. 
Also: weitersuchen !   
(p.s. ich werde gelegentlich in den Nachbargemeinden nachsehen. Schließlich 
waren die Eltern Heuerleute, die auch schon leicht einmal den Arbeitsplatz 
wechseln konnten.) 
Gerold Diers (Oldb. Gesellschaft für Familienkunde)


Re: [OL]local historical books

Date: 2000/08/10 21:49:52
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Gerold,

Do you have a phone or fax number for any of these bookstores, and do you know if they will take Visa/Mastercard for a shipment to the U.S. (if they will ship to the U.S.)?

Don Meyer


Please respond to Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
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Subject:    [OL]local historical books


recently there was some correspondance going on about family/village
historical books.
In Oldenburg, most historical books are published by
Isensee Verlag, Haarenstr., 26122 Oldenburg. (Try www.isensee.de for their
internet offerings). However, publications about the southern part of
Oldenburg and about the Jever area are usually printed elsewhere.
For books out of print you could try the following antiquarian bookstores.
1. Oldenburger Antiquariat Walter Heinze, 26012 Oldenburg, Lindenallee 33
2. Antiquarische Literatur, Karin Heindl, Peterstr. 46, 26121 Oldenburg
3. Edo Dieckmann, Bergstr. 14, 26122 Oldenburg
(there I saw the book: "Lastrup und seine Bauerschaften" by P. Clemens).
None of these antiquarian bookstores has an Internet adress yet.
Gerold Diers


[OL]Hollandganger Luckens

Date: 2000/08/11 00:24:22
From: Yair Malachi <malachiy(a)netvision.net.il>

Hello,
I am new to this list. I am looking for background of my great grandfather
Hermann Gerhard Lückens born 1849, who left the village of Littel, close to
Wardenburg, in 1872 to go to Holland. He was a "stukkateur" in Hoorn.

Where can I find genealogy information on Lückens? On the army papers his
name is also written Lükens.

Thanks,
Yair Malachi





Re: [OL]local historical books

Date: 2000/08/11 09:23:00
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Hello,
try www.isensee.de

Regards, Heiko Ahlers

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Datum: Donnerstag, 10. August 2000 21:40
Betreff: Re: [OL]local historical books


>Gerold,
>
>Do you have a phone or fax number for any of these bookstores, and do you
know if they will take Visa/Mastercard for a shipment to the U.S. (if they
will ship to the U.S.)?
>
>Don Meyer
>
>
>Please respond to Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>Sent by:    oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
>To: Oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
>cc:
>
>Subject:    [OL]local historical books
>
>
>recently there was some correspondance going on about family/village
>historical books.
>In Oldenburg, most historical books are published by
>Isensee Verlag, Haarenstr., 26122 Oldenburg. (Try www.isensee.de for their
>internet offerings). However, publications about the southern part of
>Oldenburg and about the Jever area are usually printed elsewhere.
>For books out of print you could try the following antiquarian bookstores.
>1. Oldenburger Antiquariat Walter Heinze, 26012 Oldenburg, Lindenallee 33
>2. Antiquarische Literatur, Karin Heindl, Peterstr. 46, 26121 Oldenburg
>3. Edo Dieckmann, Bergstr. 14, 26122 Oldenburg
>(there I saw the book: "Lastrup und seine Bauerschaften" by P. Clemens).
>None of these antiquarian bookstores has an Internet adress yet.
>Gerold Diers
>
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Re: [OL]local historical books

Date: 2000/08/11 10:39:46
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

here are the phone numbers of the antiquarian bookstores.
Edo Dieckmann: 0441-13871
Karin Heindl 0441-27170
Walter Heinze 0441-77521  (Fax: 0441-777278)
For Isensee you best look at www.isensee.de
With regards to payment: First look whether they have something interesting 
for you and then let them propose method of payment. 
Gerold 


Re: [OL]J.D. Thieschafer *19.2.1850 and Anka Duden *4.2.1847

Date: 2000/08/11 10:40:51
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

The german phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de) shows 12 Thieschäfer, two of them in Oldenburg area, one of them in Oldenburg city, and one in Bad Zwischenahn.



> Hello Barbara,
> I didn't find these people in the church records of the cities of
> Oldenburg
> and Delmenhorst. The name Duden appeared in Schortens (Jeverland) in the
> 18th
> century. It would help us a lot, if you could provide the parish or
> village
> they came from.
> Gerold Diers  (Oldenburg Genealogical Society.)

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Re: [OL]Hollandganger Luckens

Date: 2000/08/11 10:43:04
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Since these Luckens (Lueken) came from Littel, parish of Wardenburg, the best 
person to ask is 
Erich Martens
Ammerlaender Str. 77
26203 Wardenburg-Westerholt
Write by snail mail, and dont forget return postage. 
Regards   Gerold 


Re: [OL]local historical books

Date: 2000/08/11 12:13:52
From: Dorothy Yereance <dorothy(a)idsi.net>

-----Original Message-----
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To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]local historical books


>Don Meyer
>

Hi Don,

I am searching the name MEYER. My grandfather was Frederick Meyer, born
in Hamburg (Oldenburg) germany, Nov 8, 1848, He cane to the USA about
the 1960-70's and had a farm in Bardonia (Rockland county) NY. Do you
see a connection? Tell me about your Meyers.

Best REgards,

Dorothy





[OL]Clemens Nacke *29.3.1838 und Caroline Diekmann *18.5.1839

Date: 2000/08/11 13:21:49
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Herr Pölking aus Visbek sucht Geburtsnachweise für obige Personen. In den 
Staedten Oldenburg  und Delmenhorst waren sie nicht zu finden. Vielleicht 
kann sonst jemand etwas darüber sagen.
Gerold 


Re: [OL]Clemens Nacke *29.3.1838 und Caroline Diekmann *18.5.1839

Date: 2000/08/11 14:45:29
From: John C. Polking <polking(a)rice.edu>

I am also interested in the genealogy of the Pölking family, although my
ancestors came from Lohne.

GDiers9488(a)aol.com wrote:
> 
> Herr Pölking aus Visbek sucht Geburtsnachweise für obige Personen. In den
> Staedten Oldenburg  und Delmenhorst waren sie nicht zu finden. Vielleicht
> kann sonst jemand etwas darüber sagen.
> Gerold
> 
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[OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/11 14:56:48
From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>

Need help finding Joseph Henry Wessling Born 4 Dec 1831 in Coesfeld
,Oldenburg.  He came to america and married in 1863 in Iowa.  Any
information  would be wonderful.  Have just begun this area and don't
know much about it.
Stacey



[OL]Holman

Date: 2000/08/11 16:59:52
From: Harm Westra <h.westra(a)castel.nl>

Werte mitinteressierten,

bezüglich meiner Bitte in Sachen Informationen über einen gewissen Holman
habe ich bisher Folgendes in Erfahrung bringen können:


Jan Derx Holman (13.11.1698 – ca 1740) heiratete am 9.4.1719 in Leek
(NL)Trientien Karstens (1701 - ca 1750).
Sie lebten danach in Zevenhuizen (Gr.). Dem Gegebenheit dass sie in Leek
(Midwolde) geheiratet haben  entnehme ich dass sie der Nederlands Hervormde
Kerk angehörig waren. Jan Derx’  Heiratsurkunde belegt dass er aus dem
 Oldenburgerland” her ist. Forscher Meent van der Sluis meinte deswegen,
dass Jan’ s Vater mit der Armee des Münsteraner Bischoffess Bernard van
Galen nach  Groningen mitgezogen ist und dort desertiert hat. Heiko Ahlers
zieht diese Schlussfolgerung in Zweifel. Das Oldenburgerland gehörte nicht
zum HoheitsGebiet Bernard van Galens, behauptet nl Heiko. Werner Honkamp
stellt die Religionsange-hörigkeit Holmans erneut in Frage.
Familiequellen besagen dass dass die Holmans aus Deutschland nach Holland
zugewandert sind (siehe oben) und dass ein Teil der Familie nach England
gezogen ist und von dort aus  sollte angeblich ein Teil nach Södafrika
ausgewandert sein.

Dies alles betrachtend schliesse ich zu den folgenden Bemerkungen:

Jan’ s Vater ist aus dem Süden Deutschlands in die Umgebung von Oldenburg
gezogen. Jan war dort gebürtig und ist später nach Zevenhuizen gezogen und
hat dort Trientien kennengelernt. Dass Jan undTrientien in Midwolde (Leek)
geheiraten haben, ca 15 km von Zevenhuizen entfernt, war damals normal.
Mehrmals in der Geschichte haben Holmans dort geheiratet.

Dass es eine Verbindung gäbe zur Bernard van Galen’s Armee ist eher als
zweifelhaft zu bezeichnen, kann aber nicht im Voraus unbedingt
ausgeschlossen werden, denn das Oldenburgerland war damals
Rekrutierungsgebiet des Bischoffes von Münster.(G.B. Depping - “Münster und
Cölner “–1840
reas Nilges- “Westfalen als Saisonarbeiter un Unternehmungsgrunder in den
Niederlanden”.

Ein Kontakt in Südafrika belegte mir dass es einen Umzug gegeben hat von
Holmans von England nach Südafrika. Dabei war auch die Rede von einer
Beschreibung des Holman-stammes irgendwo in einem Kloster in Luxemburg.

Betty Krull’s Empfehlung diese Mail auf deutsch zu schreiben, habe ich
nachgefolgt.

Also, wer kann mir weiterhelfen mit Informationen über Holmans  ?


Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
Harm



[OL]Territorial development of Oldenburg

Date: 2000/08/11 19:26:39
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

On my genealogy website I have included a new map:"Territorial development of Oldenburg"


http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/oldenburg.gif

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Re: [OL]War "Doppel-s" frueher "sh"

Date: 2000/08/11 20:17:56
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Werner, hallo Liste,

Werner Honkomp schrieb: 
> Juergen Drees schrieb:
> > ist es richtig, dass das heutige "doppel-s" im Namen frueher haeufig
> > als "sh" geschrieben wurde?
> > Ich habe auffallend viele Ahnen aus der Zeit um 1800, die LUESHE oder
> > BUSHE geschrieben wurden und heute LUESSE oder BUSSE heissen.
> > Irgendwo glaube ich auch einmal gelesen zu haben, dass das "Doppel-s"
> > auch nur wie ein "sh" aussah.

> das was da aussieht wie ein "sh" dürfte die ältere Schreibweise von "ß" sein.

Ich habe als Variationen des Namens LUESSE bei mir die Versionen
Lueshe, Luesse, Lüeßse, Lüshe, Lüsse und Lüßse. 

Leider hab ich zur Zeit keine Originalunterlagen, so dass ich wohl bis
zur Ansicht der Originalunterlagen warten muss, um zu entscheiden,
welche der Namen nur Ablesefehler sind.

Hat jemand eine computergeeignete Form von alten Aufzeichnungen, in
denen solch ein altes "ß" gechrieben ist, die er mir zusenden koennte?

Vielen Dank fuer eure Hilfe

Juergen
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Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/11 20:45:58
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

please check the origin of the person. I dont know a Coesfeld in Oldenburg.
Gerold 


Re: [OL]Holman

Date: 2000/08/11 21:17:42
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Holman (Hollmann) gab es nicht nur im Oldenburger Münsterland, sondern 
innerhalb Oldenburgs auch im Jeverland und um Delmenhorst. 
Gerold Diers


[OL]The meaning of a couple of words

Date: 2000/08/12 00:04:34
From: krownest <krownest(a)email.msn.com>

Could anyone tell me what the word Vogtei and gastrische mean?  Any help I would appreciate it, am having trouble finding in dictionary.
 
Krownest

[OL]Erreichbarkeit

Date: 2000/08/12 02:06:27
From: JuergenRode <j.rode(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,

ich schätze ich wurde kurzfristig aus den Mailinglisten genommen, da meine 
Mailbox voll war. Ich hatte eine Mail mit über 5MB bekommen und war ca 1 Woche 
nicht zuhause!
Ab sofort bin ich wieder ereichbar. Ich bitte um Wiedereinschreibung in die 
Mailinglisten.

Gruß
Jürgen Rode  -  Bonn
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RE: [OL]Hollandganger Luckens

Date: 2000/08/12 02:22:41
From: Steve Frevert <rfrevert(a)megsinet.net>

	I wonder if there might be a family connection here- my great grandmother Margretha Catherine Lueschen (possibly shortened from Grotelueschen), daughter of Gerhard, was born in Littel, Wardenburg on 2 Nov 1863.  She married John Herman Oldigs in Wardenburg on 27 Dec 1889; they came to the U.S. in 1911 and settled near Leigh, Nebraska.  There were also Gerhard G., Henry G., and Herman G. Lueschen nearby in Platte County, but I'm not sure if it is the same Gerhard or what the family connection might be.  From what I understand, Littel is a pretty small village, and Luckens and Lueschen sound quite similar.  I have no information on Gerhard other that his wife's name, Catherine Sophie Luebbers, and I'd love to find out more about this family.

Steve Frevert

-----Original Message-----
From:	Yair Malachi [SMTP:malachiy(a)netvision.net.il]
Sent:	Thursday, August 10, 2000 6:16 PM
To:	Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject:	[OL]Hollandganger Luckens

Hello,
I am new to this list. I am looking for background of my great grandfather
Hermann Gerhard Lückens born 1849, who left the village of Littel, close to
Wardenburg, in 1872 to go to Holland. He was a "stukkateur" in Hoorn.

Where can I find genealogy information on Lückens? On the army papers his
name is also written Lükens.

Thanks,
Yair Malachi




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[OL]OVEL

Date: 2000/08/12 02:35:14
From: Scott Witte <sjwitte(a)worldnet.att.net>

Searching for any additional information on:
Bernhardus Ovel. born: Hummeldorf, near Salzbergen, Kreis Lingen,
Niedersachsen
married Anna Hagel Ovel of Hummeldorf

their son:
Gerhard Heinrich Ovel
born: 17 Nov 1799 Salzbergen
died: 15 March, 1880

Catholic family.



Arlene Crowfoot of MT has relayed to me a finding of the arrival record of
my ancestor
Johannes Theodore Toennis at New York in 1881, and has found other mentions
of possible
Ovels, though I cannot pin these two individuals to our specific ancestor
lines.  These
were apparently relayed to Arlene from Claude Bigot of Glendale, AZ.

They are:

TOENNIES, THEOD. [age] 24 [gender] M [occupation] LABR [=laborer] [previous
country of
origin and village (sometimes), destination] GRZZZZUSA [GR=Germany]

Arrived 2 Nov 1881 in New York City on the HERMANN.

Ref: GERMANS TO AMERICA: Lists of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports; Vol 41,
Nov 1881-Mar
1892; page 9.  Scholarly Resources, Wilmington, DE., 1995.
---------------
These below I am not able to say with any surety are our Ovel ancestors, in
examining
names and birthdates vs ages given.  Dave
---------------------
OVAL, JOSEPH 18 M FARMER BVOOOUSA [BV=Bavaria Province]

Arrived 26 July 1852 at NEW YORK on JAMES L. BOBERT from LE HAVRE, FRANCE.

Ref: GERMANS TO AMERICA: Lists of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports,
1850-1855. Vol 3, Jun
1852-Sept 1852.  page 287.

OVELGOENNER, HENRY 16 M LABR OLZZZUSA [OL=Oldenburg]

Arrived 28 July 1883 in NEW YORK on ship HABSBURG from BREMEN, GERMANY

Ref: GERMANS TO AMERICA: Lists of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports; Vol 47,
Jul 1883-Oct
1883; page 74.  Scholarly Resources, Wilmington, DE., 1995.



Re: [OL]Territorial development of Oldenburg

Date: 2000/08/12 02:48:50
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

It's a nice map but when is it dated?
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Datum: vrijdag 11 augustus 2000 19:17
Onderwerp: [OL]Territorial development of Oldenburg


>On my genealogy website I have included a new map:"Territorial development
of Oldenburg"
>
>
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Re: [OL]local historical books

Date: 2000/08/12 02:58:49
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Heiko and Gerold, thanks for your help.  I will try both.

Don

In a message dated 8/11/00 4:30:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
GDiers9488(a)aol.com writes:

<< here are the phone numbers of the antiquarian bookstores.
 Edo Dieckmann: 0441-13871
 Karin Heindl 0441-27170
 Walter Heinze 0441-77521  (Fax: 0441-777278)
 For Isensee you best look at www.isensee.de
 With regards to payment: First look whether they have something interesting 
 for you and then let them propose method of payment. 
 Gerold 
  >>
Hello,
try www.isensee.de

Regards, Heiko Ahlers


Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/12 05:31:41
From: J. F. Morton <mortonj001(a)hawaii.rr.com>

According to the New Vienna Ia History entitled Unity in Community, Bob 
Mescher and Laverne Bockenstedt, eds, 1995, p. 231.

-----------
Joseph Wessling, born Dec. 4, 1831, at Coesfelt, Germany, married Christina
Hoelter, born Dec. 8, 1843.

Children: Helena, John, Ernst (died in infancy 1869)

The family moved to western Iowa.
---------
That's all the information that is listed in that source.

john
----------
>From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>
>To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>Subject: [OL]oldenburg help
>Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000, 2:54 AM
>

> Need help finding Joseph Henry Wessling Born 4 Dec 1831 in Coesfeld
> ,Oldenburg.  He came to america and married in 1863 in Iowa.  Any
> information  would be wonderful.  Have just begun this area and don't
> know much about it.
> Stacey
>
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Re: [OL]The meaning of a couple of words

Date: 2000/08/12 06:44:16
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 8/11/00 11:40:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
krownest(a)email.msn.com writes:

<< Could anyone tell me what the word Vogtei and gastrische mean?  Any help I 
would appreciate it, am having trouble finding in dictionary.
 
 Krownest >>
Vogtei was a geographical area or religious or political geographical 
subdivision controlled by an office called a Vogt.  

Gastricsche means gastric (in the medical sense).

However, these are just dictionary definitions.  Perhaps one of the Germans 
on the list can give you a little more flavor for the meaning of Vogtei.

Don


Re: [OL]OVEL

Date: 2000/08/12 10:16:55
From: Raimund Winter <R.Winter(a)t-online.de>

                                                 (Samstag, der 12.08.00)
Hello Scott,

am Freitag, den 11.08.00 schriebst Du mir
   zum Thema "[OL]OVEL":

>Searching for any additional information on:
>Bernhardus Ovel. born: Hummeldorf, near Salzbergen, Kreis Lingen,
>Niedersachsen
>married Anna Hagel Ovel of Hummeldorf
>their son:
>Gerhard Heinrich Ovel
>born: 17 Nov 1799 Salzbergen
>died: 15 March, 1880
Please take a look at my names page for the letter O
http://home.t-online.de/home/nameno.htm
If the above mentioned is your ancestor then we are related.

Regards
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Re: [OL]Territorial development of Oldenburg

Date: 2000/08/12 11:37:49
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I found this map in "Geschichte des ehemaligen Niederstifts Münster", by C.H. Nieberding (Vogt of Lohne), printed 1840, (reprinted 1967)

This reprint you can only find in the Staatsarchiv or other libraries.

Werner

> It's a nice map but when is it dated?
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> Aan: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Datum: vrijdag 11 augustus 2000 19:17
> Onderwerp: [OL]Territorial development of Oldenburg


>>On my genealogy website I have included a new map:"Territorial development
> of Oldenburg"
>>
>>
>>http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/oldenburg.gif
>>

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Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/12 12:59:13
From: John C. Polking <polking(a)rice.edu>

I am quoting from "Older Days Renewed", a book published in 1977 on the
occasion of the centennial of the founding of Breda, Iowa, my home town
in western Iowa.

       Joseph Wessling was born in 1831 in Westphalia and came to
America in 
       1861.  Christina Hoelter was born in Silesia in 1842, and came to
this  
       country at the age of 13.

It goes on to describe their family and some of their American history. 
I am willing to copy and send it to anyone who wants it.  However, I
have a feeling that the original requester already has this information
and is looking for information about Joseph Wessling's roots in Germany.



"J. F. Morton" wrote:
> 
> According to the New Vienna Ia History entitled Unity in Community, Bob
> Mescher and Laverne Bockenstedt, eds, 1995, p. 231.
> 
> -----------
> Joseph Wessling, born Dec. 4, 1831, at Coesfelt, Germany, married Christina
> Hoelter, born Dec. 8, 1843.
> 
> Children: Helena, John, Ernst (died in infancy 1869)
> 
> The family moved to western Iowa.
> ---------
> That's all the information that is listed in that source.
> 
> john
> ----------
> >From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>
> >To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> >Subject: [OL]oldenburg help
> >Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000, 2:54 AM
> >
> 
> > Need help finding Joseph Henry Wessling Born 4 Dec 1831 in Coesfeld
> > ,Oldenburg.  He came to america and married in 1863 in Iowa.  Any
> > information  would be wonderful.  Have just begun this area and don't
> > know much about it.
> > Stacey
> >
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Re: [OL]Hollandganger Luckens

Date: 2000/08/12 13:51:00
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Again, Erich Martens is the one to tell you more about families within the 
parish of Wardenburg. But you will have to do it by snail mail.
Gerold 


Re: [OL]The meaning of a couple of words

Date: 2000/08/12 13:53:30
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

I agree to the definition just given for Vogtei.
In order to translate 'gastrische' I would really like to see the context in 
which this word  was used.
Gerold 


Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/12 13:58:06
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Now you mention Coesfeld, Westphalia. That is probably correct and not 
Coesfeld, Oldenburg. 
Gerold


Re: [OL]Hollandganger Luckens

Date: 2000/08/12 13:59:54
From: John Geyssen <jgeyssen(a)valleynet.on.ca>

Hi list members

Does anyone of you know if there is anywhere that I might be able to find 
a history on Wardenburg, preferibly in English or Dutch as I do not read or 
understand German.  Also is there a map that shows what that area of 
Oldenburg was like in the past/

Thank you
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Re: [OL]The meaning of a couple of words

Date: 2000/08/12 17:18:12
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> Vogtei was a geographical area or religious or political geographical
> subdivision controlled by an office called a Vogt.

> However, these are just dictionary definitions.  Perhaps one of the
> Germans
> on the list can give you a little more flavor for the meaning of Vogtei.

> Don
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The Lexikon day:

A Vogt (advocate) was for a definite district (Vogtei) in the Middle Ages an imperial court official and civil servant.
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Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/12 17:18:12
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Coesfeld is located in Westphalia, not Oldenburg. The phone directory shows 5 Wessling addresses in Coesfeld (www.telauskunft.de)

Werner


> According to the New Vienna Ia History entitled Unity in Community, Bob
> Mescher and Laverne Bockenstedt, eds, 1995, p. 231.

> -----------
> Joseph Wessling, born Dec. 4, 1831, at Coesfelt, Germany, married
> Christina
> Hoelter, born Dec. 8, 1843.

> Children: Helena, John, Ernst (died in infancy 1869)

> The family moved to western Iowa.
> ---------
> That's all the information that is listed in that source.

> john
> ----------
>>From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>
>>To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>>Subject: [OL]oldenburg help
>>Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000, 2:54 AM
>>

>> Need help finding Joseph Henry Wessling Born 4 Dec 1831 in Coesfeld
>> ,Oldenburg.  He came to america and married in 1863 in Iowa.  Any
>> information  would be wonderful.  Have just begun this area and don't
>> know much about it.
>> Stacey
>>
>>
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Re: [OL]OVEL

Date: 2000/08/12 17:33:15
From: Scott Witte <sjwitte(a)worldnet.att.net>

http://home.t-online.de/home/r.winter/nameno.htm

This is very interesting Raimund!

I see you have listed a Bernard Ovel born Hummeldorf - this looks like the
same as my Bernardus Ovel married to Anna Hagel!

However, there is a minor discrepancy with the son.

You have listed: Bernhard Henrich, born 17 Sep 1799 in Hummeldorf
I have in my records: Gerhard Heinrich Ovel, born 17 Nov 1799 in Hummeldorf

I'm sure this is the same person. What do you think?

It does look as if we are related!  I will Send you our Ovel family tree
after they came to America.

Thanks,

Scott Witte


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From: Raimund Winter <R.Winter(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, 12 August, 2000 2:42
Subject: Re: [OL]OVEL


>                                                  (Samstag, der 12.08.00)
> Hello Scott,
>
> am Freitag, den 11.08.00 schriebst Du mir
>    zum Thema "[OL]OVEL":
>
> >Searching for any additional information on:
> >Bernhardus Ovel. born: Hummeldorf, near Salzbergen, Kreis Lingen,
> >Niedersachsen
> >married Anna Hagel Ovel of Hummeldorf
> >their son:
> >Gerhard Heinrich Ovel
> >born: 17 Nov 1799 Salzbergen
> >died: 15 March, 1880
> Please take a look at my names page for the letter O
> http://home.t-online.de/home/nameno.htm
> If the above mentioned is your ancestor then we are related.
>
> Regards
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[OL]Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/12 22:23:43
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Wenn ich es richtig sehe, haben schon viele von uns ihren Stammbaum via 
Internet veröffentlicht.

Aber gibt es schon eine Link-Site, auf der alle Internet-Seiten mit 
Stammbäumen aus (Süd-) Oldenburg zu finden sind?

Ansonsten wäre das doch eine tolle Idee (nicht von mir, leider) für die 
OGF-Seite - oder?

Besten Gruß!

Ansgar Hollah
Cyclopstraße 9
13469 Berlin
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 10 (Telefon)
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 20 (Telefax)
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
Ansgar(a)Hollah.de
12-8-00


Re: [OL]Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/13 00:13:42
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 12 Aug 2000, at 16:12, AHollah(a)aol.com wrote:

> Wenn ich es richtig sehe, haben schon viele von uns ihren Stammbaum
> via Internet veröffentlicht.
> 
> Aber gibt es schon eine Link-Site, auf der alle Internet-Seiten mit
> Stammbäumen aus (Süd-) Oldenburg zu finden sind?
> 
> Ansonsten wäre das doch eine tolle Idee (nicht von mir, leider) für
> die OGF-Seite - oder?

Ansgar,

Die Oldenburger Seiten solten schon lange unter genealogy net 
entwickelt werden. Es fehlt mir aber immer die Zeit dafür. Ich hatte 
damals mit v. Hagen die Osnabrücker Seiten angefangen und 
einige andere auf die Füße gebracht. Die Oldenburger blieben 
aber immer liegen. Es liegt aber noch in meiner to-do list. :-)

In der Zwischenzeit würde ich empfehlen entweder bei Werner 
Honkomp oder Bernd Blömer erst mal alle diese Links zu 
sammeln. Nur eine Warnung. Wer hat denn nur Vorfahren aus dem 
Oldenburger Münsterland? In meinem Stammbaum zB ist das nur 
ziemlich dick mit den Vorfahren meiner Frau die bis zum Anfang 
der Kirchenbücher in der Gegend zu finden sind - aber auch nur 
bestimmte Linien. Meine sind alles Einwanderer von wo anders. 

Fred

   
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


[OL]Re: Territorial development of Oldenburg

Date: 2000/08/13 00:28:50
From: FloraMarie <FloraMarie(a)aol.com>

Thanks Werner for the fine historical map of Oldenburg on your website.  It 
is very helpful and answers many of my questions.

Flora Strickhausen


RE: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/13 01:07:43
From: Kortenkamp, Daniel <dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu>

"Joseph WESSLING, born Dec. 4, 1831, Coesfelt, Germany, married Christina
HOELTER, born Dec. 8, 1843.  Children: Helena, John, Ernst (died in infancy
1869).  The family moved to western Iowa."  This is all the info that
appears in UNITY IN COMMUNITY, a history of New Vienna, Dubuque County,
Iowa.  

In this book there is also a "Bernhard WESSLING, born at Coesfelt, Germany,
married Catherine GEBHARD (born Aug. 5, 1846) on Jan 30, 1866.  Children:
Franz Joseph, Feb. 5. 1867; John George, Feb. 9, 1869; and Joseph Henry
(Jan. 23, 1870-July 18, 1870).  They moved west to Breda, Iowa, where his
brother, Casper Henry, lived."

They probably married in St. Boniface Church, New Vienna.  The records for
this church are on LDS film #1637056.  The records for Coesfeld,
*Westphalia*, are also on LDS film.

HTH.

Daniel

Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D.  dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu
http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dk/danielpg.htm


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wessling [mailto:wessling(a)willinet.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 7:54 AM
> To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: [OL]oldenburg help
> 
> 
> Need help finding Joseph Henry Wessling Born 4 Dec 1831 in Coesfeld
> ,Oldenburg.  He came to america and married in 1863 in Iowa.  Any
> information  would be wonderful.  Have just begun this area and don't
> know much about it.
> Stacey
> 
> 
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Re: [OL]Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/13 10:20:46
From: Bebloemer <Bebloemer(a)aol.com>

Hallo alle miteinander,

ich habe zwar im Moment sehr wenig Zeit, aber wenn Ihr mir Eure links via 
e-mail an Bebloemer(a)aol.com schickt, werde ich eine link Seite aufbauen.

Hello list,

send me your links about genealogie homepages (family trees) to my e-mail 
Bebloemer(a)aol.com. I will build a site with this links.

Bernd


Re: [OL]Hollandganger Luckens and Wardenburg history

Date: 2000/08/13 11:57:56
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

the most recent history of Wardenburg was printed 1995 by Isensee Verlag, 
Oldenburg. Wolfgang Stelljes was responsable for the text. But all books I 
know are in german.
Reprints of old maps you can get from Katasteramt Oldenburg. For instance: 
Vogteikarten drawn 1790. 
Gerold 


Re: [OL]Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/13 12:08:51
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

wir scheuen vorläufig den Verwaltungsaufwand, der mit einer solchen Linkliste 
verbunden ist. Aber im nächsten Jahr werden wir uns das erneut überlegen. 
Gerold Diers (OGF)


Re: [OL]Holman

Date: 2000/08/13 23:19:04
From: Josiebanks <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>

    Since I do not speak German this may not be possible.  Is there a Conrad 
Holman geboren 1725 in this line?  Danke, Jo


Re: [OL]OVEL

Date: 2000/08/14 05:59:42
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

I have a Johanna OVEL b Feb 14,1884 in New VIENNA, Ia.
Married William P Vaske on Feb 6, 1907 (I think at NV)
She died Aug 5 1958 at Bancroft, Ia
William was born feb 21, 1885

If she fits in to your tree, there are lots of descendants, let  me know.
I have no info on her parents.... sorry.


From: "Scott Witte" <sjwitte(a)worldnet.att.net>
Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
To: "Raimund Winter" <R.Winter(a)t-online.de>, <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
CC: "David A. Crea, P.E." <dacrea(a)ida.net>
Subject: Re: [OL]OVEL
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:14:06 -0500

http://home.t-online.de/home/r.winter/nameno.htm

This is very interesting Raimund!

I see you have listed a Bernard Ovel born Hummeldorf - this looks like the
same as my Bernardus Ovel married to Anna Hagel!

However, there is a minor discrepancy with the son.

You have listed: Bernhard Henrich, born 17 Sep 1799 in Hummeldorf
I have in my records: Gerhard Heinrich Ovel, born 17 Nov 1799 in Hummeldorf

I'm sure this is the same person. What do you think?

It does look as if we are related!  I will Send you our Ovel family tree
after they came to America.

Thanks,

Scott Witte


----- Original Message -----
From: Raimund Winter <R.Winter(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, 12 August, 2000 2:42
Subject: Re: [OL]OVEL


>                                                  (Samstag, der 12.08.00)
> Hello Scott,
>
> am Freitag, den 11.08.00 schriebst Du mir
>    zum Thema "[OL]OVEL":
>
> >Searching for any additional information on:
> >Bernhardus Ovel. born: Hummeldorf, near Salzbergen, Kreis Lingen,
> >Niedersachsen
> >married Anna Hagel Ovel of Hummeldorf
> >their son:
> >Gerhard Heinrich Ovel
> >born: 17 Nov 1799 Salzbergen
> >died: 15 March, 1880
> Please take a look at my names page for the letter O
> http://home.t-online.de/home/nameno.htm
> If the above mentioned is your ancestor then we are related.
>
> Regards
>           Raimund
>
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Re: [OL]local historical books

Date: 2000/08/14 06:16:37
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 8/11/00 6:04:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dorothy(a)idsi.net 
writes:

<< Hi Don,
 
 I am searching the name MEYER. My grandfather was Frederick Meyer, born
 in Hamburg (Oldenburg) germany, Nov 8, 1848, He cane to the USA about
 the 1960-70's and had a farm in Bardonia (Rockland county) NY. Do you
 see a connection? Tell me about your Meyers.
 
 Best REgards,
 
 Dorothy
  >>
Hi Dorothy,

I would love to tell you all about my immigrant Meyer ancestor, but I have 
been researching him specifically for over 15 years, and still know nothing 
about his life before coming to America.  

My immigrant ancestor was Caspar August Meyer (or perhaps August Caspar), who 
was born in February 1843 (per 1900 census and year corroborated by his death 
records).  I first find him in America in Cincinnati, where he lived until 
moving across te river to Kentucky, where he died in 1907.  According to the 
1900 census and his death records, he arrived in America in 1866.  I have 
found no record of his arrival, but his first wife did arrive in 1866.  Her 
name was Agnes Rosemeyer from Damme.  She was born February 11, 1845.  Since 
the birth month and arrival dates were found in records that were produced 
when Caspar August was an old man, and his first wife was dead, I have not 
discounted the possibility that his children and/or second wife (who 
presumably provided the information to at least the death records, if not 
also the 1900 census) mixed up the information.  

Caspar August appears to have traveled to America alone, or at least with no 
family members living in the Cincinnati area.  I assume this because no one 
in either his marriage records or as baptismal sponsors for his children 
appear to be related to him.  When the children from his first marriage are 
baptized each has one sponser who is a blood relation of the mother, and the 
other sponser is a relation by marriage to one of the wife's siblings.  (No 
apparent connections to Caspar August, just appear to be in-laws who were 
available.)  When his children by his second wife are baptzed, the sponsers 
are a relative of the wife and either (i) on of his older children, or (ii) a 
blood relation of his first wife.  

His second wife was about 13 years younger than him and born in Cincinnati to 
German immigrants from Hallenberg, Westphalia.  (By the way, no record of 
Caspar August was found in Hallenberg, Damme or the Oldenburg towns 
surrounding Damme.)  None of his children's later records (birth, marriage or 
death) reflect any place of birth for Caspar August other than "Germany."

I have nothing definite for where Caspar August came from, but I have always 
suspected it was Oldenburg or, somewhere nearby in Hannover, since this is 
where his first wife and other people who married into her family were from.  
Also many Germans came to Cincinnati from that area, and I find it unlikely 
that someone from that time period would immigrate to an area where he knew 
no-one, even if he had no family in the town.  

The only guess I have at a connection now is that the priest who married him 
was also an August Meyer from Oldenburg, born about 1840.  But both names are 
so common that this is really probably no connection at all.  

Sorry I couldn't provide any details that might connect to your Meyer.  Your 
Meyer's age is correct to be a sibling of my Caspar August, but I have no 
information to suggest any connection or not.

If any of this information sounds familiar to anyone else, or they may have a 
Caspar August Meyer emigrating from Germany that they are looking for, please 
let me know.  

Don


[OL]Roenbeck

Date: 2000/08/14 06:59:35
From: Nearon <Nearon(a)aol.com>

Hallo:  My 5ggf, Johann Heinrich Roenbeck (born about 1695) in Steinfeld 
married my 5ggm, Batherine Magdalena Broringmeyer on 18 Nov 1721 in 
Steinfeld.  Could anyone help me find the exact birthdate of Johann and also 
give me the names and birthdates of his parents?   Thank you so much.       
David Nearon


Re: [OL]local historical books

Date: 2000/08/14 12:27:24
From: Dorothy Yereance <dorothy(a)idsi.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: Dem13(a)aol.com <Dem13(a)aol.com>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Monday, August 14, 2000 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]local historical books

Hi Don,
Thank you for your reply. I'm also sorry but I don't see any connection
between our Meyers. I never heard if my grandfather had a brother, but
he did have a sister Johanna, born Sept. 18, 1846 in Oldenburg-Hamburg,
Germany.She married  August Lerch and lived in Haverstraw, NY. My
grandfather Frederick married Elizabeth Pfeiffer born May 15, 1860 in
Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany. Both Meyer and Pfeiffer are very common names
in Germany and we will probably never get any further than we are now.
However, we probably we continue to try. I wish you luck.

Dorothy



Re: [OL]I need some help

Date: 2000/08/14 22:03:25
From: M Wethington <mwethington(a)home.com>

Hi Fred,

If you let me know what I need to do, I can help you out.
I guess any list would be ok - my german is not good at all, if that
matters.

Marilyn


Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:

> Hi listmembers,
>
> as most of you know, I started a bunch of lists some years ago and
> have been taking care of most of them since the beginning. On
> occasion I can't very well get to a phone line and some items are
> left hanging for a bit. This is when we are in our RV and on the road.
>
> I would like to ask for one or more volunteers for each list who can
> spell me a bit as needed. It's not a full time thing but it's also an
> easy job just to handle the bounces, mailbox full messages etc. You
> would become sort of a part time co-listowner. I would tell you what
> to do and when to do it.
>
> I handle the following lists and would appreciate it if I could get a
> hand.
>
> Please let me know which list you could help out with and I'll see
> how this can work.
>
> Fred
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Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/15 02:18:11
From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>

John, These are the same people!  Thank You so much.  Now I need to figure out
were Coesfelt is at! :)

Stacey

"J. F. Morton" wrote:

> According to the New Vienna Ia History entitled Unity in Community, Bob
> Mescher and Laverne Bockenstedt, eds, 1995, p. 231.
>
> -----------
> Joseph Wessling, born Dec. 4, 1831, at Coesfelt, Germany, married Christina
> Hoelter, born Dec. 8, 1843.
>
> Children: Helena, John, Ernst (died in infancy 1869)
>
> The family moved to western Iowa.
> ---------
> That's all the information that is listed in that source.
>
> john
> ----------
> >From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>
> >To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> >Subject: [OL]oldenburg help
> >Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000, 2:54 AM
> >
>
> > Need help finding Joseph Henry Wessling Born 4 Dec 1831 in Coesfeld
> > ,Oldenburg.  He came to america and married in 1863 in Iowa.  Any
> > information  would be wonderful.  Have just begun this area and don't
> > know much about it.
> > Stacey
> >
> >
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Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/15 02:22:34
From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>

J.F.  I would be thrilled to get copies of this info!  Really don't want to post
my snail mail address on the list.  Feel free to e-mail me directly at
wessling(a)willinet.net.  Thanks again!

"John C. Polking" wrote:

> I am quoting from "Older Days Renewed", a book published in 1977 on the
> occasion of the centennial of the founding of Breda, Iowa, my home town
> in western Iowa.
>
>        Joseph Wessling was born in 1831 in Westphalia and came to
> America in
>        1861.  Christina Hoelter was born in Silesia in 1842, and came to
> this
>        country at the age of 13.
>
> It goes on to describe their family and some of their American history.
> I am willing to copy and send it to anyone who wants it.  However, I
> have a feeling that the original requester already has this information
> and is looking for information about Joseph Wessling's roots in Germany.
>
> "J. F. Morton" wrote:
> >
> > According to the New Vienna Ia History entitled Unity in Community, Bob
> > Mescher and Laverne Bockenstedt, eds, 1995, p. 231.
> >
> > -----------
> > Joseph Wessling, born Dec. 4, 1831, at Coesfelt, Germany, married Christina
> > Hoelter, born Dec. 8, 1843.
> >
> > Children: Helena, John, Ernst (died in infancy 1869)
> >
> > The family moved to western Iowa.
> > ---------
> > That's all the information that is listed in that source.
> >
> > john
> > ----------
> > >From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>
> > >To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> > >Subject: [OL]oldenburg help
> > >Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000, 2:54 AM
> > >
> >
> > > Need help finding Joseph Henry Wessling Born 4 Dec 1831 in Coesfeld
> > > ,Oldenburg.  He came to america and married in 1863 in Iowa.  Any
> > > information  would be wonderful.  Have just begun this area and don't
> > > know much about it.
> > > Stacey
> > >
> > >
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[OL]Thieschafer and Duden

Date: 2000/08/15 04:04:31
From: BSLAGE <BSLAGE(a)aol.com>

Dear Werner-
With regard to the german phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de) showing 12 
Thieschafer, two being in the Oldenburg area. When I type in the name 
Thieschafer and then search I get the reply that there are none. Am I doing 
something wrong?

Barbara Slagel


[OL]SPARKZ, SAHLMANN, ROGGE, BORCHERS

Date: 2000/08/15 04:08:18
From: JaquaeS <JaquaeS(a)aol.com>

I am new to this list and would like to post the families that I am 
researching:

John Frederick SPARKZ/SPARKS b. abt 1814 Oldenburg married Sophia (possibly 
ROGGE) in Germany.  They had children August b. 1845, Veremina Dime b. 1849, 
Anton George Frederick b. 1851.  The family immigrated to the US betwen 1852 
and 1857.  They bought land in Wabash Co, IL from a Henry Borchers in NYC.

I have copies of letters written in 1901 from the children of Carston 
SAHLMANN (b. 1812) and Rebecca WEYMANN (b. 1819 Hanover) of Charleston, SC.  
These letters state that the Sahlmanns are cousins of the Sparks family and 
that all are from Oldenburg.  There is one reference to the town of 
Wiemstorff, Oldenburg which I have been unable to locate.

I will be grateful for any help or suggestions and of course will share what 
information I have.

Jaquae Smith, 
The Florida Keys


Re: [OL]I need some help

Date: 2000/08/15 05:27:39
From: intrstrace <intrstrace(a)eohio.net>

I am a stay at home mom (full time genealogist!).  I'll do whatever I
can for you :-)  Kids start school in 2 weeks... <ahem>  that is a
HOORAY!!!!!  ;-)
Judy



Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/15 08:47:25
From: John Morton <mortonj001(a)hawaii.rr.com>

Stacey

I also have German ancestors from Coesfeldt (sometimes spelled Koesfeldt).
Mine are named Riesberg and they also settled in New Vienna.  In those
records Coesfeldt is sometimes listed as in Hanover.  There is a Coesfeld in
modern Germany near the Dutch border and the town of Munster.  That seems a
little far from Hanover but I don't know where the Hanover boundaries might
have been in the mid 19th century.

john

> From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>
> Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:15:21 -0500
> To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [OL]oldenburg help
> 
> John, These are the same people!  Thank You so much.  Now I need to figure out
> were Coesfelt is at! :)
> 
> Stacey
> 
> "J. F. Morton" wrote:
> 
>> According to the New Vienna Ia History entitled Unity in Community, Bob
>> Mescher and Laverne Bockenstedt, eds, 1995, p. 231.
>> 
>> -----------
>> Joseph Wessling, born Dec. 4, 1831, at Coesfelt, Germany, married Christina
>> Hoelter, born Dec. 8, 1843.
>> 
>> Children: Helena, John, Ernst (died in infancy 1869)
>> 
>> The family moved to western Iowa.
>> ---------
>> That's all the information that is listed in that source.
>> 
>> john
>> ----------
>>> From: wessling <wessling(a)willinet.net>
>>> To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> Subject: [OL]oldenburg help
>>> Date: Fri, Aug 11, 2000, 2:54 AM
>>> 
>> 
>>> Need help finding Joseph Henry Wessling Born 4 Dec 1831 in Coesfeld
>>> ,Oldenburg.  He came to america and married in 1863 in Iowa.  Any
>>> information  would be wonderful.  Have just begun this area and don't
>>> know much about it.
>>> Stacey
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Oldenburg-L mailing list
>>> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
>> 
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[OL]Namen aus dem Bereich der friesischen WehdeDeutsch/Englisch

Date: 2000/08/15 16:05:04
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listers,
vor einiger Zeit habe ich verschiedene Antworten zu den Tönjes aus
Schweinebrück / Zetel bekommen. Mittlerweile habe ich die Daten verfestigen
können: der Vater "meiner" Catharine Margarethe Tönjes geb. 19.2.1795 in
Ruttel war Claus Tönjes, Heuermann in Schweinebrück, + 6.Juni 1817 im Alter
von 73J2 M 27 T;
Mutter Catharie Dorothee,laut Taufeintrag.Leider ohne Nachnamen. Ich fand
noch die Beerdigung einer Anne Cathr. Dorothee gest. 7.4.1828 in
Schweinebrück beerd.10.4.1828 in Zetel" des weyl. Heuermanns Claus Tönjes zu
Schweinebrück Wittwe, 76J 5M 13T. zu mehr reichte die Zeit nicht.Falls
jemand über Daten verfügt, die mit diesen correspondieren, wäre ich dankbar
für einen Austausch. Meine Sammlung Schweer/ Schweers und Angeheiratete
sowie solche, wo eine Verbindung zu Schweer scheinbar da ist, aber noch
nicht nachgewiesen ,aus der Region nördlich von Oldenburg umfasst
mittlerweile weit über hundert Personen. Ich habe sie leider noch nicht alle
eingeben können. Es sind die Namen Hagenau, Börries/Börjes/Borjes, Landwehr,
Koch, Jürgens, Martens,Zieseniß, Witte, Uelken, Tönjes,Theile,
Swegat,Stuhaan, Stender, Seelig, Hinrich,Mönk,v.Busch, Klöpping, Kemper,
Kästing, Hugo, Hobbie,Brunken, Roßkamp ,Heyne, Harms, Janssen, Eilers,
Brüning, Zander, Casselmann, Gerdes, Budde, Decker, Heydenreich, Bredehorn,
Bockmeyer, Rath, zur Mühlen,Helmers, Fikken, Heinemeyer, Bley, Bohlen,
Behrens dabei. Die meisten stammen aus der Zeit vor 1900. Falls jemand
Interesse hat, können wir uns ja kurzschließen. Bitte alle Daten wenn
möglich mit Quellenangabe, da sonst ein Vergleich sehr schwer wird.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU
____________________________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
Mitglied des Oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist; Georg Seelig aus
Bobersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu
dem Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
______________________
Now for all who cannot speak German:
Hello Listers, some time ago I have different responses to the Toenjes from
Schweinebrueck/Zetel. Meanwhile I could solidify the data: the father of "
my " Catharine Margarethe Toenjes geb. 19,2,1795 in Ruttel was Claus
Toenjes, Heuermann in Schweinebrueck, + 6.Juni 1817 at the age of 73J2 M 27
T; mother Catharie Dorothee, loud baptize entry unfortunately without
surnames. I found still the funeral of a Anne Cathr. Dorothee gest. 7,4,1828
in Schweinebrueck burried10.4.1828 in Zetel " weyl. Heuermanns Claus Toenjes
too Schweinebrueck widdow 76J 5M 13T. I did not have time for more.If
someone had datas, which correspond with this,  I would be grateful  for an
exchange. My collection Schweer / Schweers and related by marriage or as
well as such, where a connection to Schweer is apparently there, but not yet
proven, from the region north of Oldenburg covers meanwhile far over one
hundred persons. I could not input it unfortunately yet all. Participate the
names Hagenau, Boerries/Boerjes/Borjes, Landwehr, Koch, Juergens, Martens,
Zieseniss, Witte, Uelken, Toenjes, Theile, Swegat, Stuhaan, Stender, Seelig,
Hinrich, Moenk, v.Busch, Kloepping, Kemper, Kaesting, Hugo, Hobbie, Brunken,
Rosskamp, Heyne, Harms, Janssen, Eilers, Bruening, Zander, Casselmann,
Gerdes, Budde, Decker, Heydenreich, Bredehorn, Bockmeyer, Rath, zur Mühlen,
Helmers, Fikken, Heinemeyer, Bley, Bohlen, Behrens. Most originate from the
time 1790 to1930 . If someone has interest, we can short circuit ourselves.
Ask all data if possible with source specification, since otherwise a
comparison becomes very heavy. Love of greetings Ingrid
___________________ AGAIN NEW NEW
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search all SCHWEER / SCHWEERS from Oldendorf in the Osnabrueckischen(near
Melle)(at first befor1815 ); all LANDWEHR from BASSUM 1813 ago;
Auffenthaltsorte and origin of Johann Conrad HAGENAU, which is recorded 1810
as a member of the Oldenburger Infanteriecorps; George Seelig from
Bobersberg(acknowledgement) He married in 1738  a Praetorius from Schortens.
In this time he was a merchant in Neustadtgödens.
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Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/15 22:24:49
From: Josiebanks <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>

    Stacey and list,
    Coesfeld and many other cities in the world can be found at:
    http://www.calle.com/world/index.html
    Be sure to click on the city name for a map.  Jo


Re: [OL]oldenburg help

Date: 2000/08/15 22:25:32
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> "John C. Polking" wrote:

>> I am quoting from "Older Days Renewed", a book published in 1977 on the
>> occasion of the centennial of the founding of Breda, Iowa, my home town
>> in western Iowa.
>>

Hello John,
I believe a Honkomp family lived in Breda Iowa. Can you check this name?

Thank you,
Werner
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[OL]Steinfeld Genealogy

Date: 2000/08/15 22:25:32
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

To all members of the Oldenburg list:


The "Heimatverein-Steinfeld" are very in genealogical evaluations interestedly.
If a reference to Steinfeld is given. We like to accept pedigrees or GED-COM files.
This should be confessed also in the USA.

Regards,
Peter Stuntebeck

forwarded by Werner Honkomp

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Re: [OL]SPARKZ, SAHLMANN, ROGGE, BORCHERS

Date: 2000/08/15 22:25:34
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Jaquae,
Wiemsdorf is a part of Loxstedt, Cuxhaven county. Near to the ferry port Dedesdorf on the east site of the Weser river.

Werner


> I am new to this list and would like to post the families that I am
> researching:

> John Frederick SPARKZ/SPARKS b. abt 1814 Oldenburg married Sophia
> (possibly
> ROGGE) in Germany.  They had children August b. 1845, Veremina Dime b.
> 1849,
> Anton George Frederick b. 1851.  The family immigrated to the US betwen
> 1852
> and 1857.  They bought land in Wabash Co, IL from a Henry Borchers in NYC.

> I have copies of letters written in 1901 from the children of Carston
> SAHLMANN (b. 1812) and Rebecca WEYMANN (b. 1819 Hanover) of Charleston,
> SC.
> These letters state that the Sahlmanns are cousins of the Sparks family
> and
> that all are from Oldenburg.  There is one reference to the town of
> Wiemstorff, Oldenburg which I have been unable to locate.

> I will be grateful for any help or suggestions and of course will share
> what
> information I have.

> Jaquae Smith,
> The Florida Keys

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Re: [OL]Thieschafer and Duden

Date: 2000/08/15 22:25:39
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hi Barbara,
a little is wrong. The right spelling is Thieschäfer (with dots), you wrote without dots, of course can't. But you can also type Thieschaefer (no dots but ae). The phone directory understand this.

Try it again,
Werner

PS: there is a little town westerly of St.Louis called Dutzow. This town was was founded by a Mr. Duden. Do you know this.

> Dear Werner-
> With regard to the german phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de) showing 12
> Thieschafer, two being in the Oldenburg area. When I type in the name
> Thieschafer and then search I get the reply that there are none. Am I
> doing
> something wrong?

> Barbara Slagel

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Re: [OL]Hollandgangerei

Date: 2000/08/15 22:41:28
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Sietske

Ik kan het boek van Van Puffelen niet vinden in de bibliotheek. Weet jij hoe
dat bij een OB moet worden aangevraagd?


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Sietske Hoogerhuis <sietske.hoogerhuis(a)wxs.nl>
Aan: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: dinsdag 1 augustus 2000 19:28
Onderwerp: Re: [OL]Hollandgangerei


>For all of those interested in recent literature on the trek to Holland,
>here some titles. For what it's worth, a lot of the publications are in
>Dutch. At the end, also two publications on emigrants to the USA and
>Australia. The first is both in Dutch and German, and is a catalogue of an
>exposition held both in Groningen and Oldenburg. The second is a
publication
>in English.
>
>Kind regards / Met vriendelijke groet,
>
>Sietske Hoogerhuis
>Hoofddorp, Netherlands
>
>sietske.hoogerhuis(a)wxs.nl
>
>
>Titel      : Immigratie en arbeidsmarkt te Amsterdam in de 17e eeuw /
>Knotter, Adrianus
>Jaar       : 1987
>Uit        : Tijdschrift voor Sociale Geschiedenis  (1987)
>Vol : 13  Pag : 403-431
>Auteur     : Knotter, Adrianus
>                Zanden, Jan Luiten van
>Trefwoord  : immigratie ; arbeidsmarkt
>Geo. namen : Nederland ; Amsterdam (NH)
>Periode    : 1600-1700
>
>Titel: Kleine neringdoenden : 1750-1815 : kansen voor de kleine immigranten
>        vanover de oostgrens / A.E. van Puffelen
>Auteur: Adrianus Engelbertus van Puffelen
>Jaar: 1985
>Uitgever: [Den Haag : Van Puffelen]
>Annotatie: Omslagtitel: Kleine neringdoenden bij immigratie
>Bibliogr.: p. 230-237
>Omvang: 237 p
>ISBN:  (In ringband)
>Nummer: (Brinkman) B8576284
>Trefwoord: (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Nederland; (LTR) 18e eeuw; (BTR)
>immigratie;(BTR) ondernemingen
>
>Titel: Ik had een neef in Den Haag : nieuwkomers in de twintigste
>    eeuw / Annemarie Cottaar ; [eindred. Dorine Duyster]
>Auteur: Johanna Cornelia Agatha Maria Cottaar 1955-; Dorine Duyster
>Jaar: cop. 1998
>Uitgever: Zwolle : Waanders
>              [Den Haag] : Haags Gemeentearchief
>Annotatie: ill
>           Uitg. ter gelegenheid van het 750-jarig bestaan van Den
>           Haag Met lit. opg., reg Historisch overzicht van de
>           migranten die zich in de twintigste eeuw in Den Haag
>           vestigden.
>Omvang: 208 p
>ISBN: 90-400-9201-X
>Nummer: (Brinkman) B9814434
>Trefwoord: (GTR) Immigratie; (GTR) Den Haag; (GTR) Europa; (LTR)
>                Immigranten; (LTR) 's-Gravenhage; (LTR) 20e eeuw; (GTR)
>                Gelegenheidsuitgaven (vorm); (TRF) Immigranten; (BTR) Den
>                 Haag; (BTR) regionale geschiedenis; (BTR) immigratie
>
>Titel: De landverhuizers : emigratie naar Noord-Amerika uit het
>       Gelders-Westfaalse grensgebied tussen de jaren 1830-1850 /
>       door G.H. Ligterink
>Auteur: Gerhard Hendrik Ligterink 1901-1980
>Jaar: cop. 1981
>Uitgever: Zutphen : Walburg pers
>Reeks: Werken van het Staring Instituut ; 3
>Annotatie: ill
>Met lit. opg.: p. 81-[82]. - Met een samenvatting in het Duits
>Omvang: 111 p
>ISBN: 90-6011-048-X
>Nummer: (Brinkman) B8152366; (CLC) 000172174
>Trefwoord: (LTR) Emigratie; Oost-Gelderland; geschiedenis; 19e eeuw;
>               (LTR) Emigratie; Noordrijn-Westfalen; geschiedenis; 19e
eeuw;
>           (GTR) Emigratie ; (GTR) Achterhoek; (GTR) Westfalen; (GTR)
>           Noord-Amerika; (LTR) Emigratie; (LTR) Oost-Gelderland;
>           (LTR) 19e eeuw; (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Noord-Amerika;
>           (LTR) 19e eeuw; (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Noord-Amerika;
>           (LTR) 20e eeuw; (LTR) Emigratie; (LTR)
>           Noord-Rijnland-Westfalen; (LTR) 20e eeuw; (BTR) emigratie;
>           (BTR) Gelderland ; geschiedenis
>
>Titel: Rotterdamse immigratie in de laatste helft van de
>        achttiende eeuw / A.E. van Puffelen
>Auteur: Adrianus Engelbertus van Puffelen
>Jaar: 1975
>Uitgever: [S.l. : s.n.]
>Reeks: Hollandtrek van over de Oostgrens
>Annotatie: Omslagtitel
>Omvang: III, [81] p
>Nummer: (CLC) 000344069
>Trefwoord: (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Rotterdam; (LTR) 18e eeuw
>
>Titel: Delftse immigratie in de laatste helft van de achttiende
>        eeuw / [door] A.E. van Puffelen
>Auteur: Adrianus Engelbertus van Puffelen
>Jaar: 1975
>Uitgever: Den Haag  : [de auteur]
>Reeks: Holland-trek van over de Oostgrens
>Omvang: xi, [27] bl
>Nummer: (CLC) 000341669
>Trefwoord: (LTR) Immigratie; (LTR) Delft; (LTR) 18e eeuw
>
>Titel       : Arbeitswanderung und berufliche Spezialisierung. Die
>lippischen
>               Ziegler im 18. und 19. Jahrhundert / Lourens, Piet
>Jaar       : 1999
>Pagina's  : 206 p
>Auteur     : Lourens, Piet
>                Lucassen, Jan
>Uitgave    : Osnabrück
>Trefwoord  : trekarbeiders ; baksteenindustrie
>Geo. namen : Duitsland ; Lippe
>Periode    : 1700-1900
>Rubrieken  : jc ; tp
>Reeks      : Studien zur historischen Migrationsforschung ; 6
>
>Titel      : Lipsker op de Groninger tichelwerken. Een geschiedenis van de
>Groningse steenindustrie met bijzondere nadruk op de Lipper trekarbeiders,
>1700-1900 / Lourens, Piet
>Jaar       : 1987
>Pagina's  : 170 p
>Auteur     : Lourens, Piet
>                Lucassen, Johannes Mathias Wilhelmus Gerardus
>Uitgave    : Groningen
>Trefwoord  : baksteenindustrie ; seizoenarbeiders
>Geo. namen : Nederland ; Duitsland ; Groningen (prov.) ; Lippe
>Periode    : 1700-1900
>Rubrieken  : tp ; sp ; jc
>Recensies  : Bijdragen en Mededelingen betr. de Geschiedenis der
Nederlanden
>104
>(1989) p.318 / P. Kooij
> Spiegel Historiael 24 (1989) p.242 / P. de Rooy
> Tijdschrift voor Sociale Geschiedenis 15 (1989) p.108 / P. Priester
>
>And, as extra:
>
>Titel: Van de Ene en de Andere kant : Noordnederlandse en
>        Noordwestduitse migratie naar de Verenigde Staten in de negentiende
>eeuw =
>        Nordniederländische und Nordwestdeutsche Amerika-auswanderung im
19.
>Jahrhundert / Annemieke Galema,
>        Wolfgang Grams, Antonius Holtmann ; [eindred.: Annemieke
>        Galema ; vert.: Ingeborg Koops-Stange ; coörd.: Jelle
>        Kingma ; met medew. van: Hilde Bras ... et al.]
>Auteur: Johanna Berendina Elisabeth Galema 1956-; Wolfgang Grams; Antonius
>           Holtmann 1936-; I.G.R. Koops-Stange 1941-; Jelle Kingma 1934-;
>Hilde Bras
> Jaar: 1993
> Uitgever: Groningen : Universiteitsbibliotheek Rijksuniversiteit
Groningen
>           Oldenburg : Stadtmuseum Oldenburg Annotatie: ill
>           Catalogus van een tentoonstelling in de expositiezaal van
>           de Universiteitsbibliotheek, Groningen, gehouden van 1
>           april-8 mei 1993; en in het Stadtmuseum Oldenburg, gehouden
>           van 30 mei-17 juli 1993 Tekst in het Nederlands en Duits
>           Met lit. opg
>Omvang: 120 p
>ISBN: 90-367-0363-8
>Nummer: (Brinkman) B9328403
>Trefwoord: (GTR) Emigratie ; (GTR) Nederlanders ; (GTR) Duitsers; (GTR)
>Verenigde Staten; (GTR) Noord-Nederland; (GTR)
>            Noordwest-Duitsland; (LTR) Duitse emigranten; (LTR) Verenigde
>Staten; (LTR) 19e eeuw; (LTR) Nederlandse
>           emigranten; (LTR) Verenigde Staten; (LTR) 19e eeuw; (GTR)
>Tentoonstellingscatalogi (vorm); (BTR) emigratie; (BTR)
>           Verenigde Staten ; geschiedenis
>
>Titel: The hatch and brood of time : a study of the first generation of
>         native-born white Australians, 1788-1828 / Portia Robinson
>Auteur: Portia Robinson
>Jaar: 1985-...
>Uitgever: Melbourne [etc.] : Oxford University Press
>Annotatie: ill
>Omvang: .. dl
>ISBN: 0-19-554569-9 (set), 0-19-554497-8
>Nummer: (Library of Congress) 85673434
>Trefwoord: (LCS) Australia; (LTR) Australië; sociale geschiedenis; 19e
eeuw;
>                (LTR) Australië; sociale geschiedenis; 18e eeuw; (GTR)
>                 Immigratie; (GTR) Tweede generatie ; (GTR) Australië
>
>
>
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Re: [OL]Thieschafer and Duden

Date: 2000/08/15 23:08:03
From: Josiebanks <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>

    Barbara and list,
    You can type vowels with dots by doing the following.  Hit the "Alt" key 
and the correct three numbers as follows:  Alt+132=ä

        ä=132;  ë=137;  ö=148;  ü=129  Å=143;  Ö=153;  Ü=154

    Hope this helps.  Jo Westendorf Banks

researching: Bank in Denmark;   Berkmeyer, Keller, & Lamping in Dinklage;   
Sand in Hannover;    Westendorf in Sögel, Hannover;    Johan Voss in 
Oldenburg;   Puck, Thielvoldt, Muuhs, Steffens, Lage, Syndt, Göttsche, Arp, 
and Hoeck in Schleswig-Holstein;   Zarnt in Mecklenberg;   Wulf, poss. in 
Brokum;  and Rabeling, Schnelling, and Telaak in Anholdt, Holland
    
    


[OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/15 23:09:02
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

In einer eMail vom 13.08.00 11:52:07 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt 
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net:

<< Wer hat denn nur Vorfahren aus dem 
 Oldenburger Münsterland?  >>

Hi Fred!
Bei mir ist das so: Fast alle Vorfahren kommen aus dem OM, auch die meiner 
Frau (so weit wir das bis jetzt erforschen konnten).
Ansonsten ist die Idee gut: Bernd Blömer hat bei sich eine Link-Seite 
eingerichtet. Wir können uns dort ja alle versammeln.

Ansgar


Re: [OL]Steinfeld Genealogy

Date: 2000/08/16 04:00:45
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 15 Aug 2000, at 20:05, Werner Honkomp wrote:

> To all members of the Oldenburg list:
> 
> 
> The "Heimatverein-Steinfeld" are very in genealogical evaluations
> interestedly. If a reference to Steinfeld is given. We like to accept
> pedigrees or GED-COM files. This should be confessed also in the USA.
> 
> Regards,
> Peter Stuntebeck

Let's see if we understand this correctly. The local historical society 
of Steinfeld is interested in collecting genealogical data involving 
present or former Steinfeld residents. They would be interested in 
collecting such GEDCOMs for their records. This message is also 
supposed to be distributed in the US. 

Is this the meaning? A version in German if the English is difficult to 
write is always helpful.

Fred


26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/16 16:09:07
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Ansgar,

> Bei mir ist das so: Fast alle Vorfahren kommen aus dem OM, auch die meiner
> Frau (so weit wir das bis jetzt erforschen konnten).
Sind da auch Mitglieder mit dem Namen Schweer oder Schweers dabei? An den
Daten wäre ich sehr interessiert. Ich sammle alles, was den Nachnamen
Schweer, Schweers trägt.
>Bernd Blömer hat bei sich eine Link-Seite
> eingerichtet. Wir können uns dort ja alle versammeln.
Könnte ich bitte die Adresse haben?

Vielen Dank und liebe Grüße
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
obersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem
Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
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Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/16 17:37:04
From: Bebloemer <Bebloemer(a)aol.com>

In einer eMail vom 16.08.00 16:01:21 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt 
ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de:

> >Bernd Blömer hat bei sich eine Link-Seite
>  > eingerichtet. Wir können uns dort ja alle versammeln.
>  Könnte ich bitte die Adresse haben?

Hallo Ingrid,
die Adresse ist:
http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/links.html
Zur Zeit sind erst 2 links darauf. Ich warte noch auf mehr Resonanz um mir 
dann Gedanken über die Sortierung zu machen.
gruß
Bernd


[OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/16 18:44:39
From: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>

Hello,

I wonder if anyone can tell me about the strange looking letter that
appears to be a (B)  I have a name, ANKE KOEB, daughter of CLAUS KOESS

Is the B in ANKE'S last name a symbol for a double (S)?

Thanks for any help

Norma Sievert
River Ridge, Louisiana


Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/16 20:06:01
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Hi,
the 'B' you are mentioning is very probably a 'ß', looking pretty much like
a B, meaning 'double s', or 'sz', as we call it in German.

Regards
Heiko


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 18:36
Betreff: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)


>Hello,
>
>I wonder if anyone can tell me about the strange looking letter that
>appears to be a (B)  I have a name, ANKE KOEB, daughter of CLAUS KOESS
>
>Is the B in ANKE'S last name a symbol for a double (S)?
>
>Thanks for any help
>
>Norma Sievert
>River Ridge, Louisiana
>
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Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/16 21:16:59
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Dann nehme meine URL auch mit auf: www.honkomp.de

Wir sollten mal über eine eigene URL für diesen Zweck nachdenken. Man kann ja schon für 1 DM im Monat eine Adresse mit 2 MB space bekommen, ohne Werbeeinblendung.

www.oldenburg-genealogy.de

Werner


> In einer eMail vom 16.08.00 16:01:21 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit
> schreibt
> ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de:

>> >Bernd Blömer hat bei sich eine Link-Seite
>>  > eingerichtet. Wir können uns dort ja alle versammeln.
>>  Könnte ich bitte die Adresse haben?

> Hallo Ingrid,
> die Adresse ist:
> http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/links.html
> Zur Zeit sind erst 2 links darauf. Ich warte noch auf mehr Resonanz um mir
> dann Gedanken über die Sortierung zu machen.
> gruß
> Bernd

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Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/16 21:17:01
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Ich habe einige angeheiratete Schweers aus Steinfeld im Stammbaum, deren Ursprung war m.E. in Mühlen. Aber auch im Lohner Register sind einige zu finden, teilweise mit Geburtsort Steinfeld.
Peter Stuntebeck vom Heimatverein-Steinfeld gibt da gerne weitere Hinweise:

peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de

Werner

> Hallo Ansgar,

>> Bei mir ist das so: Fast alle Vorfahren kommen aus dem OM, auch die
>> meiner
>> Frau (so weit wir das bis jetzt erforschen konnten).
> Sind da auch Mitglieder mit dem Namen Schweer oder Schweers dabei? An den
> Daten wäre ich sehr interessiert. Ich sammle alles, was den Nachnamen
> Schweer, Schweers trägt.
>>Bernd Blömer hat bei sich eine Link-Seite
>> eingerichtet. Wir können uns dort ja alle versammeln.
> Könnte ich bitte die Adresse haben?

> Vielen Dank und liebe Grüße
> Ingrid
> ___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
> Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
> Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
> Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
> Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die
> Herkunft
> seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
> obersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu
> dem
> Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
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AW: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/16 21:18:39
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Hallo Ingrid,

hast Du Diederich Landwehr, oo 1673 Geschke Roben aus Wedehorn?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Hubert Bomas
http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm



> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Ingrid Heine
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 13:23
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet
>
>
> Hallo Ansgar,
>
> > Bei mir ist das so: Fast alle Vorfahren kommen aus dem OM, auch die meiner
> > Frau (so weit wir das bis jetzt erforschen konnten).
> Sind da auch Mitglieder mit dem Namen Schweer oder Schweers dabei? An den
> Daten wäre ich sehr interessiert. Ich sammle alles, was den Nachnamen
> Schweer, Schweers trägt.
> >Bernd Blömer hat bei sich eine Link-Seite
> > eingerichtet. Wir können uns dort ja alle versammeln.
> Könnte ich bitte die Adresse haben?
>
> Vielen Dank und liebe Grüße
> Ingrid
> ___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
> Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
> Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
> Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
> Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
> seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
> obersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem
> Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
> _________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
> ______________________
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/16 21:29:12
From: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>

Hello,  
That was it exactly -- thanks ever so much -- How did you get it to
appear in print as it looks?? 

Norma

heikoahlers wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> the 'B' you are mentioning is very probably a 'ß', looking pretty much like
> a B, meaning 'double s', or 'sz', as we call it in German.
> 
> Regards
> Heiko
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>
> An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Datum: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 18:36
> Betreff: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >I wonder if anyone can tell me about the strange looking letter that
> >appears to be a (B)  I have a name, ANKE KOEB, daughter of CLAUS KOESS
> >
> >Is the B in ANKE'S last name a symbol for a double (S)?
> >
> >Thanks for any help
> >
> >Norma Sievert
> >River Ridge, Louisiana
> >
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Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/16 21:41:15
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Hi,
on German keyboards the 'ß' is, of course, present. For US keyboards, you
might look into your manual, The 'ß' is present on the ASCII international
set of characters. You can reach it by typing ALT ***. Just go to the FAQ
pages to find more information.

Regards
Heiko Ahlers

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 21:21
Betreff: Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)






Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/16 21:57:01
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Bernd,
danke für die Adresse. Das ist ja wirklich eine tolle homepage mit
interessanten Informationen. Veilen dank dafür.Weiterhin viel Erfolg!
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
> Hallo Ingrid,
> die Adresse ist:
> http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/links.html
> Zur Zeit sind erst 2 links darauf. Ich warte noch auf mehr Resonanz um mir
> dann Gedanken über die Sortierung zu machen.
> gruß
> Bernd
>
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Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/16 21:57:02
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Norma, 
that
> appears to be a (B)  I have a name, ANKE KOEB, daughter of CLAUS KOESS
> Is the B in ANKE'S last name a symbol for a double (S)?
In the old german Handscribe the second s often seams to be a B or h
Ingrid



Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/16 22:01:52
From: John C Polking <polking(a)rice.edu>

On a US PC you should type Alt+0223 to get a ß.

To be very precise, you hold down the Alt key and then type 0223.

heikoahlers wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> on German keyboards the 'ß' is, of course, present. For US keyboards, you
> might look into your manual, The 'ß' is present on the ASCII international
> set of characters. You can reach it by typing ALT ***. Just go to the FAQ
> pages to find more information.
> 
> Regards
> Heiko Ahlers
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Datum: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 21:21
> Betreff: Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)
> 
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Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/16 22:22:13
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Werner, danke für en Hinweis. ich habe schon von Hans - Jürgen Nelke
ein Angebot bekommen, mir Daten aus Steinfeld zuzuschicken, werde aber noch
Kontakt  mit Peter Stuntebeck aufnehmen. Die Sache wird immer spannender :o)
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid

> Ich habe einige angeheiratete Schweers aus Steinfeld im Stammbaum, deren
Ursprung war m.E. in Mühlen. Aber auch im Lohner Register sind einige zu
finden, teilweise mit Geburtsort Steinfeld.
> Peter Stuntebeck vom Heimatverein-Steinfeld gibt da gerne weitere
Hinweise:
>
> peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de
___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
obersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem
Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
______________________





Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/16 22:22:17
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Hubert,

> hast Du Diederich Landwehr, oo 1673 Geschke Roben aus Wedehorn?
 Nein, den habe ich nicht. Ich bin noch nicht so weit zurückgekommen. Mein
Ältester istJohann Friedrich Landwehr, der am 10.12.1813 in Zetel Thalke
Bohlen geheiratet hat. Sein Vater war Johann Hinrich Landwehr, Hausmann zu
Bassum. Weiter zurück habe ich noch nichts. Das suche ich seit ein paar
Tagen. :o) ich bin aber für alle Daten dankbar( mit Quellenangabe, wenn
möglich)
liebe Grüße
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
obersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem
Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
______________________





Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/16 22:23:10
From: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>

THANKS TO ALL -  Boy, everyone must be up and around this afternoon.

Norma Sievert

John C Polking wrote:
> 
> On a US PC you should type Alt+0223 to get a ß.
> 
> To be very precise, you hold down the Alt key and then type 0223.
> 
> heikoahlers wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > on German keyboards the 'ß' is, of course, present. For US keyboards, you
> > might look into your manual, The 'ß' is present on the ASCII international
> > set of characters. You can reach it by typing ALT ***. Just go to the FAQ
> > pages to find more information.
> >
> > Regards
> > Heiko Ahlers
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>
> > An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> > Datum: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 21:21
> > Betreff: Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)
> >
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Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/16 22:51:32
From: TedSned <TedSned(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 08/16/2000 3:54:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
polking(a)rice.edu writes:

> On a US PC you should type Alt+0223 to get a ß.
>  
>  To be very precise, you hold down the Alt key and then type 0223.
>  

Or, Alt 225.  Either one works.  You must also use the numeric keypad, not 
the numbers on the top row.

Regards,
Ted Snediker


Re: [OL]Strange looking letter (B)

Date: 2000/08/17 01:30:58
From: PWest72750 <PWest72750(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 8/16/00 9:36:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
nsievert(a)home.com writes:

<< s the B in ANKE'S last name a symbol for a double (S)? >>

Hi

Is it a letter like this?  ß  If so, yes it is a double s.  
Pat


[OL]Ahnenforschung per Mail

Date: 2000/08/17 14:03:39
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Liebe Freunde!
Viele wissen es sicher schon, dennoch möchte ich meine guten Erfahrungen 
mitteilen:

1)
Ich habe vor einigen Wochen das Niedersächsische Staatsarchiv (Damm 43, 26135 
Oldenburg) per MAIL angeschrieben und gefragt, ob der Name Hollah in den 
Archiven verzeichnet ist. Schon nach einer Woche (!) hatte ich die Antwort (, 
die allerdings 17 DM gekostet hat):
Ja, Hollah taucht im Schatzregister von 1473 auf. In weiteren Urkunden 
(Oldenburgische Urkundenbücher V und VIII) sei er allerdings nicht zu finden.
Das Archiv hat aber angeboten, in weiteren Steuerlisten aus dem 15. und 16. 
Jahrhundert nachzusehen.

Dabei arbeitet das Archiv nach der "Allgemeinen Gebührenordnung":
Die Arbeit eines Beamten des mittleren Dienstes kostet 17 DM pro angefangener 
1/4 Stunde. Der höhere Beamte kostet 32 DM pro 1/4 Stunde. Maximal dürfen die 
Archivare 2 Stunden Sucharbeit erledigen.

Von den Urkunden, die als Microfiche vorhanden sind, kann man Kopien bekommen.

Für jemanden, der weit vom Archiv entfernt wohnt, ist das sicher eine gute 
Hilfe.

Die Mail-Adresse des Archivs lautet:
poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-ol.niedersachsen.de


2)
Ich hatte auch die Stadtverwaltung von Löningen per Mail angeschrieben 
(rathaus(a)loeningen.de) und nach den Eltern von August Clemens Hollah 
(*20-02-1876) gefragt. Auch von dort habe ich per Mail innerhalb von zwei 
Wochen eine Antwort erhalten - kostenlos! Ein guter Service einer modernen 
Verwaltung!!

-----------------------
Just in short words my experience in genealogy by e-mail:
1) If You want to look up Your ancestors in archives, you can try to aks the 
Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv (Damm 43, 26135 Oldenburg) by e-mail:
poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-ol.niedersachsen.de
But they take money for their work: 17 to 32 D-Mark per each 1/4 hour - 
maximum 2 hours research are possible.
2) You can also write directly to the local town. For example to
rathaus(a)loeningen.de
They answered me without any charge!
--------------------

Besten Gruß!

Ansgar Hollah

Cyclopstraße 9
13469 Berlin
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 10 (Telefon)
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 20 (Telefax)
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
Ansgar(a)Hollah.de
17-8-00


[OL]Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/17 14:28:45
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>

Hi, Listenteilnehmer,

ich möchte hiermit meine (wenn auch etwas
unprofessionell gestaltete) HP zur Verfügung stellen:

http://mitglied.tripod.de/Haesli3/genealogie-2.html

Ferner biete ich euch an, die Seite des Osnabrücker
Arbeitskreises für Familienforschung mit aufzunehmen.
Sie lautet:

http://www.osfa.de

Ich hoffe, einen hoffentlich guten Beitrag zur
Vervollständigung der Linkliste gegeben zu haben.

Resonanz Eurerseits würde mich freuen, u. a. auch, wie
man die HP optimieren kann...ich muß noch sehr viel
dran tun...

beste Grüße

Lothar Grafe
Spindelstraße 27
D-49080 Osnabrück
e-mail: Haesli2(a)yahoo.com

------------------------------------------------------
english version
------------------------------------------------------

hi, listmembers,

I wanna offer you my website for the linklist, who Mr.
Bloemer had installed. The url is:

http://mitglied.tripod.de/Haesli3/genealogie-2.html

Please note that this site is not as professional as
otheres maybe - but even though you van visit it.

I wanna offer you another website, It´s the site of
the "Osnabrücker Arbeitskreis Familienforschung". The
url is:

http://www.osfa.de

I hope that these sites will complete the linklist. I
would be glad if I get any feedback about optimizing
my HomePage. I know...there´s a lot to do...at it

best regards

Lothar Grafe
Spindelstraße 27
D-49080 Osnabrück
e-mail: Haesli2(a)yahoo.com


=====
I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)

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[OL]Stuntebeck

Date: 2000/08/17 16:17:29
From: Heimatverein Steinfeld <heimatverein.steinfeld(a)arcormail.de>

Hallo aus Steinfeld,
Suche Informationen über Stuntebeck. GED-COM Datei ist vorhanden.
 Peter Stuntebeck (peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de)
Zur Schemder Bergmark 10
49439 Steinfeld




[OL]Stuntebeck

Date: 2000/08/17 16:32:33
From: Heimatverein Steinfeld <heimatverein.steinfeld(a)arcormail.de>

Hallo aus Steinfeld,
Suche Informationen über Stuntebeck. GED-COM Datei ist vorhanden.

Peter Stuntebeck      (peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de)
Zur Schemder Bergmark 10
49439 Steinfeld





[OL]Landwehr

Date: 2000/08/17 18:22:48
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Die Quelle ist das Kirchenbuch von Bassum.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Hubert Bomas
http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Ingrid Heine
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 22:02
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet
>
>
> Hallo Hubert,
>
> > hast Du Diederich Landwehr, oo 1673 Geschke Roben aus Wedehorn?
>  Nein, den habe ich nicht. Ich bin noch nicht so weit zurückgekommen. Mein
> Ältester istJohann Friedrich Landwehr, der am 10.12.1813 in Zetel Thalke
> Bohlen geheiratet hat. Sein Vater war Johann Hinrich Landwehr, Hausmann zu
> Bassum. Weiter zurück habe ich noch nichts. Das suche ich seit ein paar
> Tagen. :o) ich bin aber für alle Daten dankbar( mit Quellenangabe, wenn
> möglich)
> liebe Grüße
> Ingrid
> ___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
> Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
> Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
> Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
> Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
> seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
> obersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem
> Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
> _________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
> ______________________
>
>
>
>
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[OL]Re.: Sparkz, Sahlmann, Rogge, Borchers

Date: 2000/08/17 21:54:56
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Wiemsdorf used to be part of the Oldenburg parish of Dedesdorf. Look at 
www.genealogy.net/gene/vereine/OGF and look at the list of parishes. You will 
find Dedesdorf with further indications of where to find family information. 
Gerold Diers


[OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/17 22:14:46
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Werner Honkomp schrieb:
<< Wir sollten mal über eine eigene URL für diesen Zweck nachdenken. Man kann 
ja schon für 1 DM im Monat eine Adresse mit 2 MB space bekommen, ohne 
Werbeeinblendung.
 www.oldenburg-genealogy.de>>

1) 
Lass uns die Vor- und Nachteile abwägen:
PRO: Seite wäre sicher schnell geschaltet und könnte als Sammelbecken für 
Oldenburger Internet-Stammbäume dienen.
Die Seitepflege wäre einfach, wenn alle Änderungen oder Neueinträge über 
Oldenburg-L ge"mail"det würden.
CONTRA: Soll diese Link-Sammlung dann der einzige Inhalt sein? Verzettelt 
sich das Angebot dann nicht?
Wer soll die Seite pflegen?

Wem fällt noch ´was ein?

2)
Spannend finde ich auch, wenn die verschiedenen Stammbäume miteinander 
vernetzt werden. So habe ich von einer meiner Seiten 
(http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/1848-holtkemper-hermann-joseph.htm) 
auf die Familie HOLTKEMPER verzweigt, die eigene Ahnenforschungsseiten hat. 
So macht das Netz richtig Sinn - und Spaß.

Besten Gruß!

Ansgar Hollah

Cyclopstraße 9
13469 Berlin
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 10 (Telefon)
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 20 (Telefax)
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
Ansgar(a)Hollah.de


[OL]steinfeld

Date: 2000/08/18 02:18:28
From: Toby Bockenstedt <bockenstedt(a)mwci.net>

Can I get records of people that left Steinfeld and came to USA
I need records on Sudbecks
 
Toby bockenstedt

Re: [OL]Stuntebeck

Date: 2000/08/18 07:33:55
From: St. Francis <stfranc(a)bright.net>

Dear Peter,

I have record of two Stuntebeck emigrants from Steinfeld
who settled at Minster, Ohio:

1) FRANZ FERDINAND STUNTEBECK
	* 25.5.1799
	imm- 25.10.1834  Baltimore   Ship: "Bürgermeister Smidt"
2) MARIA ELISABETHA STUNTEBECK
	* 22.8.1820
	imm- 1837
	oo  Bernard Anton Kuper

I hope this is helpful.

Sincerely,
Father David Hoying

----------
From: Heimatverein Steinfeld <heimatverein.steinfeld(a)arcormail.de>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [OL]Stuntebeck
Date: Thursday, 17 August, 2000 10:04 AM

Hallo aus Steinfeld,
Suche Informationen über Stuntebeck. GED-COM Datei ist vorhanden.
 Peter Stuntebeck (peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de)
Zur Schemder Bergmark 10
49439 Steinfeld



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Re: [OL]Re.: Sparkz, Sahlmann, Rogge, Borchers

Date: 2000/08/18 16:45:26
From: Vwatts75 <Vwatts75(a)aol.com>

Gerold,
This is my first time on the list and saw your response to someone Re: 
Sparkz, Sahlmann, Rogge, Borchers.  I am interested in the Rogge from 
Oldenburg, but did not see the original query.  Perhaps I have a connection 
to them and the records you mentioned.  Could I get a copy of the original 
query you were replying to? You could send that privately to me if you wish 
since it has already been posted here. Also, is there a way to search the 
past queries of this list?
Thanks,
Vicki
********************************************
In a message dated 8/17/2000 2:47:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
GDiers9488(a)aol.com writes:

<< Wiemsdorf used to be part of the Oldenburg parish of Dedesdorf. Look at 
 www.genealogy.net/gene/vereine/OGF and look at the list of parishes. You 
will 
 find Dedesdorf with further indications of where to find family information. 
 Gerold Diers
 
 >>


Re: [OL]Re.: Sparkz, Sahlmann, Rogge, Borchers

Date: 2000/08/18 18:10:10
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 18 Aug 2000, at 10:35, Vwatts75(a)aol.com wrote:

> Gerold,
> This is my first time on the list and saw your response to someone Re:
> Sparkz, Sahlmann, Rogge, Borchers.  I am interested in the Rogge from
> Oldenburg, but did not see the original query.  Perhaps I have a
> connection to them and the records you mentioned.  Could I get a copy
> of the original query you were replying to? You could send that
> privately to me if you wish since it has already been posted here.
> Also, is there a way to search the past queries of this list? 

Just go to the same website where you subscribed. You'll see an 
archiv option there.

http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo-e/Oldenburg-L

right there were it says Oldenburg-Archives. Just click on it.

Fred

26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]Ahnenforschung per Mail

Date: 2000/08/18 20:47:27
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Ansgar,
Deine guten Erfahrungen mit dem Staatsarchiv Oldenburg kann ich nur
bestätigen. Ich fahre regelmäßig hin. Bei vielen Vorfahren in der Region
Oldenburg lohnt sich das, denn fast alle Kirchenbücher liegen dort. Die
Archivare sind ausgesprochen freundlich und hilfsbereit. Sie haben mir schon
viel geholfen.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
obersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem
Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
______________________


----- Original Message -----
From: <AHollah(a)aol.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:54 PM
Subject: [OL]Ahnenforschung per Mail


> Liebe Freunde!
> Viele wissen es sicher schon, dennoch möchte ich meine guten Erfahrungen
> mitteilen:
>
> 1)
> Ich habe vor einigen Wochen das Niedersächsische Staatsarchiv (Damm 43,
26135
> Oldenburg) per MAIL angeschrieben und gefragt, ob der Name Hollah in den
> Archiven verzeichnet ist. Schon nach einer Woche (!) hatte ich die Antwort
(,
> die allerdings 17 DM gekostet hat):
> Ja, Hollah taucht im Schatzregister von 1473 auf. In weiteren Urkunden
> (Oldenburgische Urkundenbücher V und VIII) sei er allerdings nicht zu
finden.
> Das Archiv hat aber angeboten, in weiteren Steuerlisten aus dem 15. und
16.
> Jahrhundert nachzusehen.
>
> Dabei arbeitet das Archiv nach der "Allgemeinen Gebührenordnung":
> Die Arbeit eines Beamten des mittleren Dienstes kostet 17 DM pro
angefangener
> 1/4 Stunde. Der höhere Beamte kostet 32 DM pro 1/4 Stunde. Maximal dürfen
die
> Archivare 2 Stunden Sucharbeit erledigen.
>
> Von den Urkunden, die als Microfiche vorhanden sind, kann man Kopien
bekommen.
>
> Für jemanden, der weit vom Archiv entfernt wohnt, ist das sicher eine gute
> Hilfe.
>
> Die Mail-Adresse des Archivs lautet:
> poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-ol.niedersachsen.de
>
>
> 2)
> Ich hatte auch die Stadtverwaltung von Löningen per Mail angeschrieben
> (rathaus(a)loeningen.de) und nach den Eltern von August Clemens Hollah
> (*20-02-1876) gefragt. Auch von dort habe ich per Mail innerhalb von zwei
> Wochen eine Antwort erhalten - kostenlos! Ein guter Service einer modernen
> Verwaltung!!
>
> -----------------------
> Just in short words my experience in genealogy by e-mail:
> 1) If You want to look up Your ancestors in archives, you can try to aks
the
> Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv (Damm 43, 26135 Oldenburg) by e-mail:
> poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-ol.niedersachsen.de
> But they take money for their work: 17 to 32 D-Mark per each 1/4 hour -
> maximum 2 hours research are possible.
> 2) You can also write directly to the local town. For example to
> rathaus(a)loeningen.de
> They answered me without any charge!
> --------------------
>
> Besten Gruß!
>
> Ansgar Hollah
>
> Cyclopstraße 9
> 13469 Berlin
> +49 (0)30 / 409 122 10 (Telefon)
> +49 (0)30 / 409 122 20 (Telefax)
> http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
> Ansgar(a)Hollah.de
> 17-8-00
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[OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/18 22:31:18
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

Hi,

Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a 
history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to 
collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on 
this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.

The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between  
1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.  
Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a 
library in Germany. 

Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts 
Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger 
Münsterland refer to it again and again. 

The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have 
these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once 
the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to 
share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very 
expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the 
exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to 
CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around 
100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one 
paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make 
additional paper copies here.

I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.

Fred


      
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/18 22:39:28
From: John C Polking <polking(a)rice.edu>

Dear Fred,

I am definitely interested in the CD.

What will the format of the files on the CD.  It sounds like you are
going to scan the pages.  Is that right?

John

Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
> history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
> collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
> this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.
> 
> The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
> 1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
> Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
> library in Germany.
> 
> Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> Münsterland refer to it again and again.
> 
> The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
> share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
> expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
> exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
> CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
> 100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
> paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
> additional paper copies here.
> 
> I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
> fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
> 
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Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/18 22:48:23
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hi Oldenburgers!

Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:
> Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> Münsterland refer to it again and again. [...]
> 
> The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. 

Are the pages scanned and put on CD or are they retyped?

I'd like to obtain a CD copy anyway.

Greetings

Juergen
P.S. Gibt es noch eine deutsche Version des Textes?
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
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Telephon: (0531) 40837                 38100 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/18 22:48:38
From: Nearon <Nearon(a)aol.com>

Dear Fred:  I am very definitely interested.  Thank you for all the good work 
you and Werner and the others do.  I am really learning about my Oldenburg 
heritage!                David A. Nearon


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/18 23:53:06
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 18 Aug 2000, at 22:39, Juergen Drees wrote:

> Hi Oldenburgers!
> 
> Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:
> > Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> > Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> > Münsterland refer to it again and again. [...]
> > 
> > The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> > these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> > the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. 
> 
> Are the pages scanned and put on CD or are they retyped?

Just scanned from the copies. 

> I'd like to obtain a CD copy anyway.
> 
> Juergen
> P.S. Gibt es noch eine deutsche Version des Textes?

Huh? Welches Textes? Das Buch ist in seinem 1840 original Text.

Fred



26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/18 23:58:08
From: Josiebanks <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>

Guess this intriging text is in German only-right?


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/18 23:59:37
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Fred,

Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:
> On 18 Aug 2000, at 22:39, Juergen Drees wrote:
> 
> > Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:
> > > Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> > > Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> > > Münsterland refer to it again and again. [...]
> > >
> > > The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> > > these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> > > the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily.

> > P.S. Gibt es noch eine deutsche Version des Textes?
> 
> Huh? Welches Textes? Das Buch ist in seinem 1840 original Text.

Ich wollte nach einer deutschen Version Deines Angebotstextes fuer die
CD fragen. Ich weiss nicht, ob alle hier in der Liste english
verstehen.

Dass das Buch nicht auf englisch ist, hab ich mir fast gedacht. Damals
war englisch halt noch nicht die alleinige Weltsprache :-)

Viele Gruesse und eine gute Nacht,

Juergen
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-------------------=======######======-------------------
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mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 00:03:31
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 18 Aug 2000, at 15:30, John C Polking wrote:

> I am definitely interested in the CD.
> 
> What will the format of the files on the CD.  It sounds like you are
> going to scan the pages.  Is that right?

Yes, Werner works for a company that can do this in one of their 
branches. I'm not sure if that is their business or what but he offered 
to help us get this converted for what sounds like a very reasonable 
price. 

Personally I would like for them to scan one half of the paper 
copies. In other words one page per scan. The format is probably 
best in GIF as it's all B&W. JPEG would probably be better for 
color. 

At some point I would like to make PDF pages out of this. (When I 
have time and the list of things gets longer). :-)

==================

There is another project in the works but I'll let Don Meyer speak of 
this when he feels ready to discuss it. 

Fred

 

26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 00:14:33
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 18 Aug 2000, at 23:51, Juergen Drees wrote:

> > > P.S. Gibt es noch eine deutsche Version des Textes?
> > 
> > Huh? Welches Textes? Das Buch ist in seinem 1840 original Text.
> 
> Ich wollte nach einer deutschen Version Deines Angebotstextes fuer die
> CD fragen. Ich weiss nicht, ob alle hier in der Liste english
> verstehen.
> 
> Dass das Buch nicht auf englisch ist, hab ich mir fast gedacht. Damals
> war englisch halt noch nicht die alleinige Weltsprache :-)

Ja, das waren noch Zeiten ohne Internet. :-)

Du kannst doch besser deutsch als ich. Schreib doch schnell eine 
Übersetzung. 

Ich weiß auch nicht ob hier jeder englisch verstehen kann. Ich 
dachte schon. Beim Schreiben happerts wohl bei vielen aber ich 
glaube jeder kann hier mitlesen. Oder stimmt das nicht? Wer kann 
kein englisch lesen?

Fred


26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 00:14:34
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 18 Aug 2000, at 17:48, Josiebanks(a)aol.com wrote:

> Guess this intriging text is in German only-right?

Yupp, that's what the original was printed in. The scan basically 
reproduces the original. :-)

Fred

26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 00:21:01
From: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>

Hi, 

I don't understand the Oldenburg area very well, but my ancestors came
from the Edewecht area from what I can tell so far.  Is this history of
the general Oldenburg area, which would, of course, include Edewecht. 
If so, I would also be interested in purchasing a CD.

Norma Sievert 

Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
> history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
> collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
> this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.
> 
> The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
> 1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
> Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
> library in Germany.
> 
> Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> Münsterland refer to it again and again.
> 
> The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
> share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
> expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
> exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
> CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
> 100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
> paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
> additional paper copies here.
> 
> I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
> fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 00:45:11
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 18 Aug 2000, at 17:15, Norma Sievert wrote:

> I don't understand the Oldenburg area very well, but my ancestors came
> from the Edewecht area from what I can tell so far.  Is this history
> of the general Oldenburg area, which would, of course, include
> Edewecht. If so, I would also be interested in purchasing a CD.
> 

Edewecht is in the Ammerland just to the west of Oldenburg City. 
This would not be subject of the history which is really only for the 
area added to Oldenburg in 1803 - the districts of Münster (Vechta 
and Cloppenburg) called the Niederstift Münster or today, the 
Oldenburger Münsterland. You know about Munster cheese, right?
 :-)

Fred


26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 02:27:49
From: Lloyd Budwig <budwig(a)hb.quik.com>

Hello Fred,

Please count me in for my share of the cost.

Lloyd A. Budwig

Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
> history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
> collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
> this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.
>
> The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
> 1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
> Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
> library in Germany.
>
> Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> Münsterland refer to it again and again.
>
> The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
> share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
> expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
> exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
> CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
> 100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
> paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
> additional paper copies here.
>
> I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.
>
> Fred
>
>
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
> fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
>
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> Oldenburg-L mailing list
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RE: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 05:51:57
From: Jamie L Meyer <kcchief1(a)ipa.net>

Count me in.

Thanks,
Jamie Meyer

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Lloyd Budwig
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 7:16 PM
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Hello Fred,

Please count me in for my share of the cost.

Lloyd A. Budwig

Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
> history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
> collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
> this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.
>
> The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
> 1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
> Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
> library in Germany.
>
> Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> Münsterland refer to it again and again.
>
> The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
> share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
> expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
> exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
> CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
> 100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
> paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
> additional paper copies here.
>
> I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.
>
> Fred
>
>
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
> fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
>
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Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 06:28:28
From: M Wethington <mwethington(a)home.com>

Hi All!

I am also definitely interested.
Marilyn

Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
> history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
> collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
> this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.
>
> The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
> 1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
> Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
> library in Germany.
>
> Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> Münsterland refer to it again and again.
>
> The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
> share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
> expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
> exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
> CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
> 100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
> paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
> additional paper copies here.
>
> I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.
>
> Fred
>
>
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
> fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
>
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Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 07:49:54
From: Bebloemer <Bebloemer(a)aol.com>

Hallo Fred,

ich hätte auch sehr gerne eine Kopie.

Danke im voraus.

Bernd


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 09:23:03
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Yes I am.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
Aan: oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: vrijdag 18 augustus 2000 22:23
Onderwerp: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland


>Hi,
>
>Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
>history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
>collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
>this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.
>
>The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
>1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
>Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
>library in Germany.
>
>Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
>Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
>Münsterland refer to it again and again.
>
>The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
>these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
>the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
>share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
>expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
>exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
>CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
>100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
>paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
>additional paper copies here.
>
>I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.
>
>Fred
>
>
>
>26 Warren St.
>Beverly, NJ 08010
>609-386-6846
>fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
>
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[OL]"Geschichte des Niederstifts Muenster" von Nieberding

Date: 2000/08/19 11:09:21
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Fred, hallo Liste,

Wolfgang Fred Rump schrieb:
> Ich weiß auch nicht ob hier jeder englisch verstehen kann. Ich
> dachte schon. Beim Schreiben happerts wohl bei vielen aber ich
> glaube jeder kann hier mitlesen. Oder stimmt das nicht? Wer kann
> kein englisch lesen?

Tja offensichtlich koennen wirklich alle mehr oder weniger gut
englisch lesen.

Ich uebersetze Deinen Text trotzdem einmal kurz ins deutsche:

e-Mail von Fred Rump bezueglich des Buches "Geschichte des
Niederstifts 
Münster" von Carl Heinrich Nieberding:

-------------------------------
Hallo,

Barbara Parker und Werner Honkomp haben sich ueberlegt, ein
Geschichtswerk, das von Barbaras direktem Vorfahren geschrieben wurde,
zu kopieren. Da ich es liebe alte Geschichtsbuecher zu sammeln,
moechte ich ebenfalls eine Kopie. Ich denke mir, es wird auch andere
in dieser Liste geben, die auch solch einen Wunsch haben. Daher diese
Notiz.

Das Gesamtwerk besteht aus drei Baenden, die in Vechta zwischen 1840
und 1852 herausgegeben wurden. Es wurde irgendwann zwischen 1960 und
1970 nachgedruckt. 
Logischerweise ist es nirgendwo mehr erhaeltlich ausser in Archiven
oder Buechereien in Deutschland.

Carl Heinrich Nieberding schrieb die "Geschichte des Niederstifts
Muenster" und viele heutige Werke ueber die Geschichte des Oldenburger
Muensterlandes verweisen immer wieder auf dieses Werk.

Es ist geplant, immer zwei Seiten dieses Werkes auf einmal zu kopieren
und diese dann auf CD-Rom zu bringen. Sobald die CD erstellt ist,
koennen sehr leicht Kopien davon hergestellt werden. Die Idee ist es
nun, die Kosten fuer das Erstellen der CD unter den interessierten
Leuten aufzuteilen. Es wird nicht sehr teuer, wenn ein paar Leute die
CD haben wollen. Ich kenne nicht die exacten Kosten, aber Werner
erzaehlte mir, das er die Seiten fuer 0,10 DM pro Seite kopieren kann.
Eine Kopie in Papier wuerde um die 100 DM plus Porto kosten. (Wir
haetten gerne eine Papierkopie hier [in den USA] und Barbara wird sie
erhalten.) Wir koennen hier auch weitere Papierkopien herstellen.

Ich hoffe, mich klar ausgedrueckt zu haben. Wenn jemand Interesse hat,
lasst es mich bitte wissen.

Fred
------------------------
Vielleicht hilft die Uebersetzung ja noch dem ein oder anderen, sich
ebenfalls fuer eine CD-Rom-Version dieses Buches zu begeistern.

Viele Gruesse

Juergen
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Re: [OL]steinfeld

Date: 2000/08/19 17:53:54
From: Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Toby,
Im Anhang sind Deine gewünschten Informationen über Südbeck.
Sind auch die Lohner Südbecks interessant ?  Stammbäume oder GED-COM Datei sind für uns sehr
wichtig.
Der Heimatverein Steinfeld ist auch über heimatverein.steinfeld(a)arcormail.de zu erreichen.
Peter Stuntebeck
 

Toby Bockenstedt schrieb:

Can I get records of people that left Steinfeld and came to USAI need records on Sudbecks Toby bockenstedt

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Re: [OL]steinfeld

Date: 2000/08/19 18:55:01
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I will order the lists,

Werner


> Can I get records of people that left Steinfeld and came to USA
> I need records on Sudbecks

> Toby bockenstedt


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Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/19 19:54:51
From: Scott Witte <sjwitte(a)worldnet.att.net>

I am interested also in obtaining a copy of this work.

Scott Witte

----- Original Message -----
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
To: <oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, 18 August, 2000 15:28
Subject: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland


Hi,

Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.

The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
library in Germany.

Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
Münsterland refer to it again and again.

The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
additional paper copies here.

I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.

Fred



26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
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[OL]Catholic/Katholic Churches in Vechta

Date: 2000/08/19 19:56:55
From: Scott Witte <sjwitte(a)worldnet.att.net>

What are the names of the Catholic churches in Vechta?  and Bakum?

Thanks

SJ Witte



[OL]Re:Copies of "Oldenburger Munsterland"

Date: 2000/08/20 03:29:28
From: Vwatts75 <Vwatts75(a)aol.com>

I am interested in a copy.
Vicki

>Hi,
>
>Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
>history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
>collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
>this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.
>
>The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
>1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
>Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
>library in Germany.
>
>Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
>Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
>Münsterland refer to it again and again.
>
>The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
>these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
>the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
>share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
>expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
>exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
>CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
>100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
>paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
>additional paper copies here.
>
>I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.
>
>Fred
>
>
>
>26 Warren St.
>Beverly, NJ 08010
>609-386-6846
>fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
>


[OL]Friehling

Date: 2000/08/20 03:38:59
From: Frei Mauro Hawickhorst <ofm(a)stm.interconect.com.br>

I need help to find out a little more about my Great Grandmother, Mary
Elizabeth Friehling, 1817-1880.  I only know that she first married a Johann
Theodore Arnold Repking;  when he and their four daughters died, she married
my great grandfather, John Clement Hawickhorst in 1857.  Has anyone ever
heard of this Mary Elizabeth Friehling?
Fr. Maurie




Re: [OL]Re: Stammbaeume im Internet

Date: 2000/08/20 09:11:29
From: Bebloemer <Bebloemer(a)aol.com>

Hallo Werner,

den link habe ich gesetzt.

Dnake
Bernd


Re: [OL]Catholic/Katholic Churches in Vechta

Date: 2000/08/20 09:14:29
From: Bebloemer <Bebloemer(a)aol.com>

Hi Scott,

the Vechta catholic church is St. Georg, the Bakum catholic church is St. 
Johannes der Täufer (St. Johan Baptist).

greetings
Bernd


[OL]history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/20 10:13:44
From: Jack Haverland <jahav(a)dds.nl>

Ich hatte auch gerne einen kopie von der CD

Jack Haverland


Re: [OL]history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/20 11:32:15
From: Yair Malachi <malachiy(a)netvision.net.il>

I am also interested in a copy of the CD

Yair Malachi




[OL]Datenschutz

Date: 2000/08/20 12:47:30
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Wenn ich meinen Stammbaum im Internet darstelle:

* Wie viele Jahre zurück greift der Datenschutz, so dass ich ohne 
Einwilligung der Genannten deren Daten (Geburt, Hochzeit, Tod) nicht nennen 
darf? 25 Jahre? 70 Jahre? 125 Jahre?

* Und ist es erlaubt, innerhalb der Datenschutzfrist wenigstens das Jahr zu 
nennen?

Besten Gruß!

Ansgar Hollah

Cyclopstraße 9
13469 Berlin
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 10 (Telefon)
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 20 (Telefax)
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
Ansgar(a)Hollah.de


Re: [OL]Datenschutz

Date: 2000/08/20 13:24:33
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Ansgar,

AHollah(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Wenn ich meinen Stammbaum im Internet darstelle:
> 
> * Wie viele Jahre zurück greift der Datenschutz, so dass ich ohne
> Einwilligung der Genannten deren Daten (Geburt, Hochzeit, Tod) nicht nennen
> darf? 25 Jahre? 70 Jahre? 125 Jahre?
> 
> * Und ist es erlaubt, innerhalb der Datenschutzfrist wenigstens das Jahr zu
> nennen?

Eine genaue Angabe kann ich Dir leider nicht geben. Meines Wissens
unterliegen aber alle Angaben zu lebenden Personen dem Datenschutz. Du
darfst also theoretisch keine Angaben zu lebenden Personen, auch kein
Geburtsjahr, machen. (Man koennte sich darueber streiten, ob Du
ueberhaupt eine Familienzugehoerigkeit von lebenden Personen
darstellen darfst.)

Persoenlich wuerde ich das Problem folgendermassen handhaben:
1. Karenzzeit nach dem Tod: mind. 10 Jahre
2. Karenzzeit nach der Geburt: mind. 100 Jahre, es sei denn 1. 
3. Karenzzeit nach der Hochzeit: mind.75 Jahre, es sei denn 1.

Mit obigen Zeitraeumen solltest Du auf der sicheren Seite liegen.

Bei lebenden Personen wirst Du nicht umhinkommen, jede Person einzeln
um die Freigabe ihrer Daten zu bitten. Wenn die Leute aber von der
Sinnhaftigkeit Deiner Veroeffentlichung ueberzeugt sind, werden sie
meistens in die Veroeffentlichung des Geburtsjahres einwilligen. 
Ich persoenlich waere im uebrigen auch nicht mit der Veroeffentlichung
meines kompletten Geburtsdatums mit Geburtsort einverstanden, da damit
zu viel Unfug angestellt werden kann.

Dieses Problem gibt es meines Wissens auch haeufig bei der Erstellung
von Dorfchroniken und Ortsfamilienbuechern, die bis in die heutige
Zeit reichen.


Viele Gruesse

Juergen
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[OL]Stammbaum

Date: 2000/08/20 14:26:50
From: Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de>

Hallo,
Suche Stammbäume oder GED-Com Datei
Klostermann-Böckenstette-Niehaus-Kuhlmann-Stuntebeck
Gruß aus Steinfeld
Peter



Re: [OL]Stammbaum: NIEHAUS

Date: 2000/08/20 15:37:23
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Peter,
Mein Grossgrossvater Heinrich NIEHAUS geb 1845 aus Neuenkirchen, Amt. Damme,
auswander Amerika, Cincinnati, Ohio.  I have his Stammbaum through 1745 and
for NURRE/Nurrenberens to 1632 through Anna Dorathea  Nurrenberens oo Johann
Niehaus.  Any links to your Stambaum?.
Gruss aus Virginia, U.S.A.
Bob Niehaus
rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de>
To: Oldenburger <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:17 AM
Subject: [OL]Stammbaum


> Hallo,
> Suche Stammbäume oder GED-Com Datei
> Klostermann-Böckenstette-Niehaus-Kuhlmann-Stuntebeck
> Gruß aus Steinfeld
> Peter
>
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[OL]Frage zum oldenburgischen Staatsarchiv

Date: 2000/08/20 15:58:48
From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>

Hallo,
 
ich habe gerade entschieden, daß ich morgen nach Friesland fahren werde.
Ich werde bis Donnerstag in Zetel sein und will jeden Tag nach meinen Vorfahren forschen.
Besonders habe ich mir vorgenommen ins Oldenburger Staatsarchiv zu gehen, weil ich mir davon am meisten verspreche.
 
Nun habe ich auf die Schnelle noch ein paar Fragen:
 
1. was genau kann man denn dort einsehen?
2. Ist das auf Mikrofilm, oder sidn e die Bücher?
3. Kostet die Einsicht Gebühren?
4. Muß ich mich vorher anmelden?
5. Wenn ich z.B. ein Buch ansehen möchte, bestelle ich es dann wie in einer Bibliothek? Wie lange muß ich dann warten, bis man es mir raussuchen kann?
6. Was kann man kopieren, was muß man abschreiben?
7. Wie sind die Öffnungszeiten?
8. Wie fahre ich am besten von der Autobahn A29 aus?
 
Ich weiß, das sind viele Fragen.
Ich würde mich freuen, wenn sich trotzdem jemand die Mühe machen würde und mir antwortete.
 
Danke im voraus
Gruß
 
Bianca Uffelmann

[OL]Frage zum oldenburgischen Staatsarchiv

Date: 2000/08/20 16:08:37
From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>

Hallo,

ich habe gerade entschieden, daß ich morgen nach Friesland fahren werde.
Ich werde bis Donnerstag in Zetel sein und will jeden Tag nach meinen
Vorfahren forschen.
Besonders habe ich mir vorgenommen ins Oldenburger Staatsarchiv zu gehen,
weil ich mir davon am meisten verspreche.

Nun habe ich auf die Schnelle noch ein paar Fragen:

1. was genau kann man denn dort einsehen?
2. Ist das auf Mikrofilm, oder sidn e die Bücher?
3. Kostet die Einsicht Gebühren?
4. Muß ich mich vorher anmelden?
5. Wenn ich z.B. ein Buch ansehen möchte, bestelle ich es dann wie in einer
Bibliothek? Wie lange muß ich dann warten, bis man es mir raussuchen kann?
6. Was kann man kopieren, was muß man abschreiben?
7. Wie sind die Öffnungszeiten?
8. Wie fahre ich am besten von der Autobahn A29 aus?

Ich weiß, das sind viele Fragen.
Ich würde mich freuen, wenn sich trotzdem jemand die Mühe machen würde und
mir antwortete.

Danke im voraus
Gruß

Bianca Uffelmann



[OL]Re: an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/20 17:24:48
From: Theiling <hwtheili(a)awod.com>

Please count me in, also

>
> Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
> history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
> collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
> this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.



Re: [OL]Re: an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/20 18:44:46
From: Bocaneuman <Bocaneuman(a)aol.com>

unsubscribe



Re: [OL]Frage zum oldenburgischen Staatsarchiv

Date: 2000/08/20 20:49:52
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Bianca,
das Staatsarchiv öffnet um 8:00 Uhr.
Private Forschungen kosten DM 15 pro Tag.
Die ev. Oldenburger Kirchgenbücher sind meistens im Original dort einsehbar.
Über sogenannte Findbücher sind diese zu bestellen, die Archivare helfen dabei.
Warten auf die Bücher etwa 20 Minuten, werden aber nur morgens rausgesucht, sonst Tag vorher bestellen.
Kopieren ist von den alten Büchern in der Regel nicht zugelassen.

Abfahrt Kreyenbrück, Richtung Innenstadt dann links ab, über die alte Hubbrücke und dann sofort dahinter rechts.

Werner

> Hallo,

> ich habe gerade entschieden, daß ich morgen nach Friesland fahren werde.
> Ich werde bis Donnerstag in Zetel sein und will jeden Tag nach meinen
> Vorfahren forschen.
> Besonders habe ich mir vorgenommen ins Oldenburger Staatsarchiv zu gehen,
> weil ich mir davon am meisten verspreche.

> Nun habe ich auf die Schnelle noch ein paar Fragen:

> 1. was genau kann man denn dort einsehen?
> 2. Ist das auf Mikrofilm, oder sidn e die Bücher?
> 3. Kostet die Einsicht Gebühren?
> 4. Muß ich mich vorher anmelden?
> 5. Wenn ich z.B. ein Buch ansehen möchte, bestelle ich es dann wie in
> einer
> Bibliothek? Wie lange muß ich dann warten, bis man es mir raussuchen kann?
> 6. Was kann man kopieren, was muß man abschreiben?
> 7. Wie sind die Öffnungszeiten?
> 8. Wie fahre ich am besten von der Autobahn A29 aus?

> Ich weiß, das sind viele Fragen.
> Ich würde mich freuen, wenn sich trotzdem jemand die Mühe machen würde und
> mir antwortete.

> Danke im voraus
> Gruß

> Bianca Uffelmann


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Re: [OL]Frage zum oldenburgischen Staatsarchiv

Date: 2000/08/20 21:04:53
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Bianca, ganz schnell eine Antwort:>
> 1. was genau kann man denn dort einsehen?
Alle Kirchenbücher der Oldenburgischen landeskirche, viele Pachtverträge
etc.Zetel und Bockhorn fehlen die Jahre ca 1812. 1840. In Zetel muß man sich
anmelden. Spenden werden gerne entgegengenommen. Bockhorn weiß ich nicht.
> 2. Ist das auf Mikrofilm, oder sidn e die Bücher?
Ab 1860 meist Bücher, bis dahin Mikrofiche
> 3. Kostet die Einsicht Gebühren?
Pro Tag 15,-DM
> 4. Muß ich mich vorher anmelden?
Nein
> 5. Wenn ich z.B. ein Buch ansehen möchte, bestelle ich es dann wie in
einer
> Bibliothek? Wie lange muß ich dann warten, bis man es mir raussuchen kann?
Nach meiner Erfahrung max. 1/2 Std
> 6. Was kann man kopieren, was muß man abschreiben?
Bücher darf man grundsätzlich nicht kopieren. Kopien kosten pro Stück -,30DM
> 7. Wie sind die Öffnungszeiten?
von 8-16h , Donnerstag bis 18.30h
> 8. Wie fahre ich am besten von der Autobahn A29 aus?
kann ich auf die Schnelle nicht herausfinden
> Liebe Grüße
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Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
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Re: [OL]Datenschutz

Date: 2000/08/20 21:09:03
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

In einer eMail vom 20.08.00 13:43:27 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt 
fredrump(a)home.com:

<< Der Datenschutz wird groß übertrieben wegen deutscher 
 Gehorsamkeit. Zu wenig Leute fragen sich warum ein Gesetz ein 
 Gesetz ist. Man geht dem ganze dann leiber aus der Nähe und 
 macht nichts was irgendwie an das Thema haucht.
  >>
Da hast Du wohl Recht.
Ich habe schon die ersten Seiten mit den kompletten Daten "aufgerüstet".
Und bei meinem Opa Felix August Hollah 
(http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/1904-hollah-felix-august.htm) und 
seinen Eltern sowie meiner Oma habe ich schon ´mal Bilder mit in den 
Stammbaum aufgenommen. Macht echt Spaß das alles!!
Ansgar


Re: [OL]Frage zum oldenburgischen Staatsarchiv

Date: 2000/08/20 21:24:03
From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Werner,

vielen Dank für die Auskunft.

Ich bin schon ganz aufgeregt.  :-)

Bianca



Re: [OL]Frage zum oldenburgischen Staatsarchiv

Date: 2000/08/20 21:25:29
From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>

Vielen Dank für die prompte Antwort.

Bianca



Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/21 01:49:07
From: Richard Stukenborg <stuknbrg(a)gis.net>

Thanks Fred! I just got back from a weekend trip and read
this offer. It sounds pretty good, so yes, I'm interested.
By the way, do you know how many total pages the three
volumes are?

Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
> history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
> collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others on
> this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.
> 
> The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
> 1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
> Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
> library in Germany.
> 
> Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
> Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
> Münsterland refer to it again and again.
> 
> The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
> these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
> the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
> share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
> expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
> exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
> CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
> 100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
> paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
> additional paper copies here.
> 
> I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
> fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
> 
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-- 
Rich Stukenborg (stuknbrg(a)gis.net)


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/21 07:46:35
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 20 Aug 2000, at 19:43, Richard Stukenborg wrote:

> Thanks Fred! I just got back from a weekend trip and read
> this offer. It sounds pretty good, so yes, I'm interested.
> By the way, do you know how many total pages the three
> volumes are?

I think around 300 but don't quote me on it. I think what we are 
copying is the reprint which was made into one volume.

Fred

26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/21 17:19:37
From: Eileen Johnson <ejohnson(a)forbin.com>

Hi Fred,
    I am interested in a CD copy of the book.  Please add me to your
list.
Eileen


Barbara Parker and Werner Honkomp have discussed copying a
history written by a direct ancestor of Barbara. Since I love to
collect old history, I want a copy too. I think there might be others
on
this list similarly inclined. Therefore this notice.

The book is a set of three volumes published in Vechta between
1840 and 1852. It was reprinted somewhere in the 1960s.
Obviously it is not available anywhere except in an archive or a
library in Germany.

Carl Heinrich Nieberding wrote the "Geschichte des Niederstifts
Münster " and many current works on the history of the Oldenburger
Münsterland refer to it again and again.

The plan is to copy the work two pages at a time and then have
these pages or one page at a time transferred to CDROM.  Once
the CD is cut we can make copies fairly easily. The idea here is to
share the cost among those who might be interested. It is not very
expensive if a few people subscribe to the CD. I don't know the
exact cost but Werner tells me he can have the pages copied to
CD at less than 5 cents a page. The paper copies will cost around
100,- DM plus postage of getting them here. (We'd like to have one
paper copy here and Barbara will get that). We can also make
additional paper copies here.

I hope this is clear. If anybody is interested please let me know.

Fred



26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com

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Re: [OL]Stammbaum: NIEHAUS

Date: 2000/08/21 18:11:00
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I forwarded your message to Jans-Wenstrup, Neuenkirchen
Werner

> Peter,
> Mein Grossgrossvater Heinrich NIEHAUS geb 1845 aus Neuenkirchen, Amt.
> Damme,
> auswander Amerika, Cincinnati, Ohio.  I have his Stammbaum through 1745
> and
> for NURRE/Nurrenberens to 1632 through Anna Dorathea  Nurrenberens oo
> Johann
> Niehaus.  Any links to your Stambaum?.
> Gruss aus Virginia, U.S.A.
> Bob Niehaus
> rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de>
> To: Oldenburger <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 8:17 AM
> Subject: [OL]Stammbaum


>> Hallo,
>> Suche Stammbäume oder GED-Com Datei
>> Klostermann-Böckenstette-Niehaus-Kuhlmann-Stuntebeck
>> Gruß aus Steinfeld
>> Peter
>>
>>
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[OL]Re: Can you help?

Date: 2000/08/21 20:21:29
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> Hello,
> I am currently researching the Arkenau name.  Any information you can
> offer would be appreciated.
> Thank you.
> Sincerely,
> Carolyn Arkenau
> USA
Carolyn Arkenau <teach59(a)bellatlantic.net>
----------------------------------------
This is what I have:

Arkenau

Ein Essener Familienname: gr. Arkenau und kl. Arkenau in Brookstreek

Josef Arkenau, geb. 1834 in Dinklage, gest. 1909, in der Heuer bei gr. Kalvelage, war drei mal verheiratet: 1859 mit Elis. Nietfeld(gest. 1872),
1873 mit Karolina Blömer (gest. 1873) a. Holdorf
1874 mit Mar. Kath. Elis. Büker
          K. aus 3. Ehe:
               1875 Anna Mar. Karolia
1877	Maria Johanna, kop. 1908 mit Dominikus Thobe
i.	Bakum
 1879   Anton, kop. Mit Marg. Bocklage (gest. 1919, 34
          ½ J.) bei gr. Kalvelage
           K. 1909 Franz Gerh. , 1910 Paula Helena,
1911 Hildegard(gest. 1911)
1911	Maria
1912	Jos. Bern. Thekla
1916 Josef Alwin
1919 Anton (gest. 1920)
                1882 Bernhard (gest. 1.4.18 in Frankreich), kop. 1911
                          mit Mar. Elis. Helmes bei kl. Kalvelage
                          K. 1912 Ant.Wilh. ,
1913	 Mar. Josef. Marg.
1915 Bern. Anton
1916 Aug. Anton
 1918 Adele Johanna(gest. 1918)
                 1882 Franz, kop. 1911 mit Amr. Elis. Götting (s.d.),
                          Heuerl. i. Mühlen.
                 1885 Josef Moritz
1888	Karl Heinrich, kop. 1921 mit Auguste
          Götting,s.d.
1892 Friedrich




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Re: [OL]Lutheran records - Bockhorn, Oldenburg, Germany

Date: 2000/08/21 21:45:27
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Eilee, Hallo Karen

Sometimes I am in Bockhorn and I want to help you, if I can. So please
write about the spezial Dates you want to know.

Anneliese




Re: [OL]Stammbaum

Date: 2000/08/22 10:59:07
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>

Sehr geehrter Herr Stuntebeck,

ich habe in meiner Ahnenbliste sowohl NIEHAUS als auch
KUHLMANN vorliegen. Meine KUHLMANN-Ahnen kommen aus
Stapelfeld bei Cloppenburg und meine NIEHAUS-Ahnen
sind im Lastruper Bereich (auch Cloppenburg) zu
finden.

Ich würde mich freuen, wenn Sie mir mitteilen, aus
welchen Bereichen Ihre KUHLMANN- bzw. NIEHAUS
-Vorfahren stammen?

Mit einer baldigen Mail von Ihnen verbleibe ich:

Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück
e-mail: Haesli2(a)yahoo.com
--- Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de> wrote:
> Hallo,
> Suche Stammbäume oder GED-Com Datei
> Klostermann-Böckenstette-Niehaus-Kuhlmann-Stuntebeck
> Gruß aus Steinfeld
> Peter
> 
> 
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>
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=====
I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)

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[OL]Alte Buecher / Old books

Date: 2000/08/22 22:05:58
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Beim Aufräumen habe ich in meinen Schränken folgende Bücher gefunden:
I found the following books in my rooms:

* Dr. C. L. Niemann "Geschichte der alten Grafschaft und des nachherigen 
Münster´schen Amtes Kloppenburg", 2. Auflage (Nachdruck des Originals1873), 
Cloppenburg 1976

* Clemens Pagenstert "Die ehemaligen Kammergüter in den Ämtern Cloppenburg 
und Friesoythe nebst einer Übersicht über sämtliche Höfe nach Erbesqualität 
und Hörigkeitsverhältnis", 2. Auflage (Nachdruck des Originals von 1912), 
Dinklage 1977

* Gerhard Taphorn "Geschichte der Familien Darrelmann und der angeheirateten 
Familien", Cloppenburg 1962 

* Heimatverein Visbek (Hrsg.) "Missionszelle und Missionsbezirk Visbek" - 
Festschrift zum Jubiläum 1150 Jahre Visbek, Visbek 1969

* Clemens Bernard Bröring "Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien", Quakenbrück 
1996


Ich werde die Bücher in den kommenden Tagen noch ´mal durchstöbern. Wer dann 
etwas nachgeschlagen oder nachgesehen haben will, kann sich gerne bei mir 
melden. Eine Antwort am gleichen Tag kann ich allerdings nicht garantieren....

I´ll read the books in the next few days. Whoever wants to have something 
looked up - mail me. But I can´t guarantee a answer on the same day.... 

Besten Gruß!

Ansgar Hollah
Cyclopstraße 9
13469 Berlin
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 10 (Telefon)
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 20 (Telefax)
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
Ansgar(a)Hollah.de


[OL]Kirchenbuch ESSEN / Oldbg.

Date: 2000/08/22 22:05:58
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Hat jemand Zugang zum Kirchenbuch von ESSEN?
Ich würde gerne einen Eintrag im HEIRATS-Buch überprüfen:

27-06-1791
Joan Henrich Hollae oo Maria Catharina Hakewessel

Oder steht da Herman Heinrich Hollae???

Was steht sonst noch da (Eltern, Paten usw.)

Vielen Dank für die Hilfe!!!!

Ansgar Hollah
Cyclopstraße 9
13469 Berlin
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 10 (Telefon)
+49 (0)30 / 409 122 20 (Telefax)
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
Ansgar(a)Hollah.de


Re: [OL]Kirchenbuch ESSEN / Oldbg.

Date: 2000/08/22 23:24:23
From: GermDfish <GermDfish(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 08/22/2000 12:58:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
AHollah(a)aol.com writes:

<< 9 >>
Hi,
  Ich habe eine Anna Catharina Windhaus zusammen mit Johan Herman Hakewessel 
aus Bunnen am 22 Juni 1791 gefunden.
                   Patti


Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/22 23:56:09
From: Peter Taylor <pbt(a)stevensons.co.nz>

I'd be interested in a copy, but I have zero German language skills. Are
you going to attempt to add a translation to the CD

Cheers

Peter Taylor
Auckland, New Zealand



[OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/23 00:05:10
From: Richard Stukenborg <stuknbrg(a)gis.net>

In the most recent issue of the "German Genealogical
Digest", Vol. 16 No.1, there was an interesting article
titled "Surname Changes in Northwestern Germany" by Roger P.
Minert, Ph. D.. In this article Dr. Minert describes the
practice of hereditary rights of the Hof in northwestern
Germany, which includes Oldenburg. He states: "The heir was
the youngest son or the youngest daughter" (page 10, 2nd
column under "Inheritance and Acquisition"). Whereas, in
"Emigrants from the former Amt Damme, Oldenburg (now
Niedersachsen), Germany, mainly to the United States,
1830-1849", by Bernard Völkerding, which was partly
translated into English under Werner Honkomp's web page,
there is a description of the origin of the heueuling system
under "The Origin of the Heuerling System" which states that
the oldest son was the sole heir.

Can anyone comment on this difference of opinion? This is
important to me because I would like to determine which
Catherina Stukenborg, the younger or the older, inherited
the Stukenborg farm in Bakum early in the 18th century.
-- 
Rich Stukenborg (stuknbrg(a)gis.net)
Searching: BECKER, BRÜGGEMANN, ENGELMAN, GRAVE, HOFFMEYER,
---------- KAYSER, SANDMANN, STUKENBORG, WILKING
in:------- Bakum, Emstek, Wildeshausen


Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/23 08:42:18
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Hello,
this differs per region. Where I live, the oldest son was the heir, only a
few miles away the youngest was the lucky one. Thus you always have to
consider what area you are talking about.

Regards

Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Richard Stukenborg <stuknbrg(a)gis.net>
An: OLDENBURG-L <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Dienstag, 22. August 2000 23:56
Betreff: [OL]Hereditary rights


>In the most recent issue of the "German Genealogical
>Digest", Vol. 16 No.1, there was an interesting article
>titled "Surname Changes in Northwestern Germany" by Roger P.
>Minert, Ph. D.. In this article Dr. Minert describes the
>practice of hereditary rights of the Hof in northwestern
>Germany, which includes Oldenburg. He states: "The heir was
>the youngest son or the youngest daughter" (page 10, 2nd
>column under "Inheritance and Acquisition"). Whereas, in
>"Emigrants from the former Amt Damme, Oldenburg (now
>Niedersachsen), Germany, mainly to the United States,
>1830-1849", by Bernard Völkerding, which was partly
>translated into English under Werner Honkomp's web page,
>there is a description of the origin of the heueuling system
>under "The Origin of the Heuerling System" which states that
>the oldest son was the sole heir.
>
>Can anyone comment on this difference of opinion? This is
>important to me because I would like to determine which
>Catherina Stukenborg, the younger or the older, inherited
>the Stukenborg farm in Bakum early in the 18th century.
>--
>Rich Stukenborg (stuknbrg(a)gis.net)
>Searching: BECKER, BRÜGGEMANN, ENGELMAN, GRAVE, HOFFMEYER,
>---------- KAYSER, SANDMANN, STUKENBORG, WILKING
>in:------- Bakum, Emstek, Wildeshausen
>
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Re: [OL]Alte Buecher / Old books

Date: 2000/08/23 11:04:42
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Ansgar, danke für das Angebot. Falls Du in den Büchern den Namen
Schweer oder Schweers hast, wäre ich für die Angaben dankbar.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
Mitglied des oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
obersberg( Bestätigung) er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem
Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
______________________


----- Original Message -----
From: <AHollah(a)aol.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:55 PM
Subject: [OL]Alte Buecher / Old books


> Beim Aufräumen habe ich in meinen Schränken folgende Bücher gefunden:
> I found the following books in my rooms:
>
> * Dr. C. L. Niemann "Geschichte der alten Grafschaft und des nachherigen
> Münster´schen Amtes Kloppenburg", 2. Auflage (Nachdruck des
Originals1873),
> Cloppenburg 1976
>
> * Clemens Pagenstert "Die ehemaligen Kammergüter in den Ämtern Cloppenburg
> und Friesoythe nebst einer Übersicht über sämtliche Höfe nach
Erbesqualität
> und Hörigkeitsverhältnis", 2. Auflage (Nachdruck des Originals von 1912),
> Dinklage 1977
>
> * Gerhard Taphorn "Geschichte der Familien Darrelmann und der
angeheirateten
> Familien", Cloppenburg 1962
>
> * Heimatverein Visbek (Hrsg.) "Missionszelle und Missionsbezirk Visbek" -
> Festschrift zum Jubiläum 1150 Jahre Visbek, Visbek 1969
>
> * Clemens Bernard Bröring "Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien",
Quakenbrück
> 1996
>
>
> Ich werde die Bücher in den kommenden Tagen noch ´mal durchstöbern. Wer
dann
> etwas nachgeschlagen oder nachgesehen haben will, kann sich gerne bei mir
> melden. Eine Antwort am gleichen Tag kann ich allerdings nicht
garantieren....
>
> I´ll read the books in the next few days. Whoever wants to have something
> looked up - mail me. But I can´t guarantee a answer on the same day....
>
> Besten Gruß!
>
> Ansgar Hollah
> Cyclopstraße 9
> 13469 Berlin
> +49 (0)30 / 409 122 10 (Telefon)
> +49 (0)30 / 409 122 20 (Telefax)
> http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen/index.htm
> Ansgar(a)Hollah.de
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
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Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/23 16:50:45
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Both books are correct. There are, indeed, regions where the youngest son 
inherited the farm. Examples are the northwest part of Oldenburg 
(Wesermarsch) but also regions in the black forest. In other parts of 
Oldenburg (the southern part -Muensterland- as well the area close to 
Oldenburg city, the oldest son would inherit the farm. I cannot explain how 
these different habits developed.
Gerold Diers


[OL]Personenschatzugsregister

Date: 2000/08/23 17:08:17
From: Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de>

Hallo aus Steinfeld,
Das Heimatarchiv Steinfeld sucht Personenschatzungsregister und Status
Animaren aus dem Amt Vechta, besonders aus Damme, Lohne und Dinklage.
Folgende wären für uns sehr interessant:
1608-1663-1669-1699-1709-1711-1719-1750 und später.
Die Schatzungsregister von 1661 aus den Kirchspielen Vechta, Lohne,
Langförden, Cappeln, Emstek, Visbeck, Goldenstedt, Lutten, Oythe, und
Neuenkirchen sind vorhanden.
Das Willkommschatzungsregister des Amtes Vechta aus dem Jahr 1498 u.1568
sowie aus Steinfeld  1661-1699-1709-1711-1719-1750 und diverse andere
sind ebenfalls im Inventar.

Mit Forschergruß  Peter Stuntebeck, Heimatverein Steinfeld, Archiv



Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/23 20:40:57
From: Barbara Wardenburg <barbward(a)pacbell.net>

At 10:40 AM 08/23/2000 -0400, you wrote:
Both books are correct. There are, indeed, regions where the youngest son
inherited the farm. ... In other parts of
Oldenburg .... the oldest son would inherit the farm.

Has anyone made a list of which areas followed which custom? That would be incredibly helpful.

Barbara Wardenburg
Los Altos Hills, CA



Re: [OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/24 06:07:11
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 23 Aug 2000, at 9:43, Peter Taylor wrote:

> I'd be interested in a copy, but I have zero German language skills.
> Are you going to attempt to add a translation to the CD


Nope, these are just the originals. I'm not quite sure who would 
translate these 3 volumes so that you can read them. :-) If we were 
to get some people to transcribe the original text, we might have a 
better shot at it though.

Fred

PS Are you still interested or not?
26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846
fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com


[OL]Oldenburger Liste

Date: 2000/08/24 16:04:59
From: Wilma Piwkowski <rp12114(a)mail.online-club.de>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

Wo kann ich diese Liste einsehen ?

Im Internet ??

Ich suche nach Verhülsdonk und Buschmann.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Gerd Paul von Piwkowski




Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/24 23:14:25
From: Nlment <Nlment(a)aol.com>

I would be very interested in this as well, so please post any comments to 
the list.. Thank you..

Norma Mueller McGarrey

In a message dated 08/22/2000 2:56:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
stuknbrg(a)gis.net writes:

<< Can anyone comment on this difference of opinion? This is
 important to me because I would like to determine which
 Catherina Stukenborg, the younger or the older, inherited
 the Stukenborg farm in Bakum early in the 18th century. >>


[OL]an 1840 history of the Oldenburger Muensterland

Date: 2000/08/24 23:53:45
From: Peter Taylor <pbt(a)stevensons.co.nz>

Don't know!! Let's say yes for the moment.

Cheers

Peter Taylor


> > I'd be interested in a copy, but I have zero German language skills.
> > Are you going to attempt to add a translation to the CD
>
>
> Nope, these are just the originals. I'm not quite sure who would
> translate these 3 volumes so that you can read them. :-) If we were
> to get some people to transcribe the original text, we might have a
> better shot at it though.
>
> Fred
>
> PS Are you still interested or not?
> 26 Warren St.
> Beverly, NJ 08010
> 609-386-6846
> fredrump(a)home.com fredrump(a)earthlink.net fred(a)compu.com
>
>
>



Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/25 03:44:25
From: Nearon <Nearon(a)aol.com>

Also, is there any tradition of the children taking the surname of the mother 
rather than the father?  I have an ancestor who did just that.  Is that 
unique?   David Nearon


Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/25 09:23:59
From: Gail Meyer Kilgore <gkilgore(a)primenet.com>

I don't know if anyone answered you or not but if the mother's family had
more money or a higher standard in position lots of times the children then
took her name.  That is not uncommon.

Gail



Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/25 10:11:27
From: Jens . Delger <Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de>

If there was no son inheriting the possession often the eldest daughter 
was the heir. And up to the beginning of the 19th century it was quite 
usual in our area (Oldenburg) that her husband who married into his 
wife's family adopted the surname of the family.
Especially this was the case if the possession was a so-called Erbhof, 
or a Meyer- or Hausmann-farm. So, in this context a surname was rather 
an attribute of a possession than an attribute of a human individual.

Greetings
Jens

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> I don't know if anyone answered you or not but if the mother's family 
had
> more money or a higher standard in position lots of times the 
children then
> took her name.  That is not uncommon.
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Re: [OL]Personenschatzugsregister

Date: 2000/08/25 13:26:38
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>

Sehr geehrter Herr Stuntebeck,

wegen Status Annimarum aus Dinklage kann ich Ihnen
folgendes empfehlen:

Wenden Sie sich bitte an den Heimatverein Dinklage,
c/o Walter Wendeln, 49413 Dinklage. Er kann Ihnen
bestimmt nähere Informationen zu Dinklage geben.

Mit den besten Wünschen, dass Sie erfolgreich sein
werden, verbleibe ich...

Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück
e-mail ---> Haesli2(a)yahoo.com
--- Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de> wrote:
> Hallo aus Steinfeld,
> Das Heimatarchiv Steinfeld sucht
> Personenschatzungsregister und Status
> Animaren aus dem Amt Vechta, besonders aus Damme,
> Lohne und Dinklage.
> Folgende wären für uns sehr interessant:
> 1608-1663-1669-1699-1709-1711-1719-1750 und später.
> Die Schatzungsregister von 1661 aus den Kirchspielen
> Vechta, Lohne,
> Langförden, Cappeln, Emstek, Visbeck, Goldenstedt,
> Lutten, Oythe, und
> Neuenkirchen sind vorhanden.
> Das Willkommschatzungsregister des Amtes Vechta aus
> dem Jahr 1498 u.1568
> sowie aus Steinfeld  1661-1699-1709-1711-1719-1750
> und diverse andere
> sind ebenfalls im Inventar.
> 
> Mit Forschergruß  Peter Stuntebeck, Heimatverein
> Steinfeld, Archiv
> 
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Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/25 19:33:58
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

I agree with the explanation of Jens Delger. The family name was equally the 
name of the farm. If a daughter inherited the farm, her husband (and, 
naturally the children) would take the name of the farm.
Gerold Diers


[OL]Toenjes und Soeker

Date: 2000/08/25 22:39:48
From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Ingrid,

nochmal zu den Tönjes.

Ich war ja jetzt wieder in Zetel und habe auch wieder in den dortigen
Kirchenbüchern gestöbert.

Dabei ist mir aufgefallen, daß die Tönjes auch was mit den Driefeler Sökers
zu tun haben?

Ich habe eine Gesche Söker, Tochter des Gerd Söker, die einen Gerd
Tapkenhinrichs Sohn des Gerd Tapkenhinrichs, Brinksitzer aus Zetel
heiratete.

Wenn es da eine Verbindung gibt, wäre interessant, denn es handelt sich hier
um meine Urururgroßeltern.

Gruß
Bianca Uffelmann



[OL]Ortssippenbuch von Ardorf in Ostfriesland

Date: 2000/08/25 23:13:05
From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>

Ich habe jetzt das Ortssippenbuch von Ardorf in Ostfriesland.
Die Daten reichen von 1749 bis 1900.

Wenn jemand etwas nachgeschlagen haben möchte, bin ich gerne bereit dazu.

Bianca Uffelmann



[OL]Janssen/ Eileen

Date: 2000/08/26 12:29:27
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Eileen,
 here the first marriage of  Hermann Janssen, Weber and Heuerling in
Steinhausen (a village near Bockhorn)

Book Nr. 21 page 148 nr. 26
Marriage:  24. 11.1846 Hermann Janssen,
son of the dead Johann Anton Janssen, Brinksitzer in Grabstede (a
village near Bockhorn) and his wife still alive Anne Margrete Köhne,
born 13.11.1820
and
Gesche Margrete Brunken, daughter of Friedrich Brunken, Brinksitzer in
Kranenkamp (a village neat Bockhorn) and his dead wife Margarete
Elisabeth Börjes, born 12.8.1812

Greetings from Anneliese
please, excuse my mistakes!


[OL]Kuhlmann aus Hammelwarden/Strückhausen

Date: 2000/08/26 17:11:05
From: Hermann Oltmanns, Soest <Oltmanns-Soest(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer
 
Wer kann mir helfen?
Suche Daten über die Familie:
Johann Friedrich Kuhlmann, * um 1800, + vor 1867
Heirat wahrscheinlich in Hammelwarden oder Strückhausen um 1833 mit
Margarete Catharine Beermann, * am 26. 11. 1799 in der Gemeinde Strückhausen, + am 20. 9. 1868 in der Gemeinde Jade.
Weitere ältere Daten nicht bekannt.
Ein Sohn bekannt:
Christian Friederich, * am 25. 8. 1838 in Norderfeld, Gemeinde Hammelwarden. (= mein Ur-Großvater)
 
Vielen Dank im Voraus und viele Grüße
 
Hermann Oltmanns,
Papenweg 5, 
D-59494 Soest
Telefon 02921-71833

[OL]Glasmacher Ortssippenbuch

Date: 2000/08/27 01:48:02
From: Rolf Nowak <Rolf(a)Nowak.net>

Liebe Forscherkollegen,

Mitte September wird von Klaus Kunze aus Fürstenhagen ein neues
Ortssippenbuch erscheinen "Glasmacher-Sippenbuch", gleichzeitig integriert
die Auswertung des Kirchenbuches Bursfelde, nebst Glashütte von 1653-1820.

Klaus Kunze, der bereits die Ortssippenbücher Fürstenhagen, Heisebeck mit
Arenborn sowie die Ortschroniken von Fürstenhagen und dem Ort Klein Ellguth
in Schlesien erstellt hat, hat mit diesem neuen Ortssippenbuch ein wichtiges
Werk für jeden Forscher zusammengestellt, der Glasmacherfamilien in seiner
Ahnenliste hat.

Weiterführende Hinweise zu diesem Buch unter:
http://ahnenforschung.net/shop/heikun

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Rolf Nowak


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[OL]Glasmacher Ortssippenbuch

Date: 2000/08/27 02:04:29
From: Rolf Nowak <Rolf(a)Nowak.net>

Liebe Forscherkollegen,

Mitte September wird von Klaus Kunze aus Fürstenhagen ein neues
Ortssippenbuch erscheinen "Glasmacher-Sippenbuch", gleichzeitig integriert
die Auswertung des Kirchenbuches Bursfelde, nebst Glashütte von 1653-1820.

Klaus Kunze, der bereits die Ortssippenbücher Fürstenhagen, Heisebeck mit
Arenborn sowie die Ortschroniken von Fürstenhagen und dem Ort Klein Ellguth
in Schlesien erstellt hat, hat mit diesem neuen Ortssippenbuch ein wichtiges
Werk für jeden Forscher zusammengestellt, der Glasmacherfamilien in seiner
Ahnenliste hat.

Weiterführende Hinweise zu diesem Buch unter:
http://ahnenforschung.net/shop/heikun

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Rolf Nowak


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Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/27 03:59:57
From: Norma Sievert <nsievert(a)home.com>

Hello, 

Could this possibly explain why I have an ancestor which has a notation
"Genannt" or "renamed"?  ANTON BEHLEN m: ANNA REBECCA EILERS had a son 
JOHANN HINRICH BEHLEN named OTTEN -  He in turned married GRETE GEHRELS
and had a son named JOHANN OTTEN 

I guess I could understand this more if GRETE GEHRELS had the surname of
OTTEN.  Does anyone know if there is another explanation for this?

Norma Sievert
River Ridge, Louisiana

GDiers9488(a)aol.com wrote:
> 
> I agree with the explanation of Jens Delger. The family name was equally the
> name of the farm. If a daughter inherited the farm, her husband (and,
> naturally the children) would take the name of the farm.
> Gerold Diers
> 
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Re: [OL]Kuhlmann_aus_Hammelwarden/Str??ckhausen

Date: 2000/08/27 10:17:52
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>

Sehr geehrter Herrr Oltmanns,

ich kann Ihnen zwar mitteilen, dass ich auch
KUHLMANN-Linien bei meinen Vorfahren habe. Nur kommen
sie aus dem Bereich Stapelfeld-Cloppenburg im
Südoldenburger Bereich. Falls trotzdem Interesse
bestehen sollte, können Sie mir eine mail schicken
unter:

Haesli2(a)yahoo.com (Lothar Grafe, Osnabrück)

Obwohl ich Ihnen vielleicht nicht weiterhelfen konnte,
wünsche ich Ihnen einen schönen Sonntag!
--- "Hermann Oltmanns, Soest"
<Oltmanns-Soest(a)t-online.de> wrote:
> Hallo Listenteilnehmer
> 
> Wer kann mir helfen?
> Suche Daten über die Familie: 
> Johann Friedrich Kuhlmann, * um 1800, + vor 1867
> Heirat wahrscheinlich in Hammelwarden oder
> Strückhausen um 1833 mit
> Margarete Catharine Beermann, * am 26. 11. 1799 in
> der Gemeinde Strückhausen, + am 20. 9. 1868 in der
> Gemeinde Jade.
> Weitere ältere Daten nicht bekannt.
> Ein Sohn bekannt:
> Christian Friederich, * am 25. 8. 1838 in
> Norderfeld, Gemeinde Hammelwarden. (= mein
> Ur-Großvater)
> 
> Vielen Dank im Voraus und viele Grüße
> 
> Hermann Oltmanns, 
> Papenweg 5,  
> D-59494 Soest
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[OL]Kessing

Date: 2000/08/27 14:48:30
From: jwienecke <jwienecke(a)email.msn.com>

 
Can anyone look up Benard Kessing family of 6 on page 6 in the following book? My local library does not carry it, nor can they get it through their inter-library loan.
 
Smith, Clifford Neal, Emigrants from the former Amt Damme, Oldenburg (now Niedersachsen), Germany, Mainly to the United States, 1830-1849. (German - American Genealogical Research Monograph, 12.) McNeal, Ariz: Westland Publications, 1981
 
Sincerely,
Jennifer
Texas
 

Re: [OL]Oldenburger Liste

Date: 2000/08/27 17:56:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

In meiner Genealogie Homepage unter "Lohner-Familien" sind Buschmann's zu finden.
Werner

> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

> Wo kann ich diese Liste einsehen ?

> Im Internet ??

> Ich suche nach Verhülsdonk und Buschmann.

> Mit freundlichen Grüßen

> Gerd Paul von Piwkowski



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Re: [OL]Kessing

Date: 2000/08/27 19:06:07
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 8/27/00 10:38:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jwienecke(a)email.msn.com writes:

<< 
 Can anyone look up Benard Kessing family of 6 on page 6 in the following 
book? My local library does not carry it, nor can they get it through their 
inter-library loan. 
 
 Smith, Clifford Neal, Emigrants from the former Amt Damme, Oldenburg (now 
Niedersachsen), Germany, Mainly to the United States, 1830-1849. (German - 
American Genealogical Research Monograph, 12.) McNeal, Ariz: Westland 
Publications, 1981
 
 Sincerely,
 Jennifer
 Texas
 
  >>
Hi Jennifer,

The book you referenced does not have a Kessing family on page 6, but it does 
list a Bernd Kessing and family (7 in total) as leaving in 1836 from the 
Kessing farm in Handorf.  That is about all of the information included in 
the book.

In case you were unaware of it, this book is essentially just an English 
listing of the lists contained in a larger article written by Johannes 
Ostendorf during, I think, the early 1940's.  An English version of the full 
title is: The history of the emigration from the former Amt Damme (Oldbg) ., 
particularly to North America, within the years 1830 -- 1880, written by 
Johannes Ostendorf.  

Werner Honkomp (a member of this list) and a few others transcribed these 
lists, and they are available from a link on his website: 
http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/, which incidentally also has links 
to many other useful Oldenburg sites.  The online version also has a short 
English history of the Heuerling system (I think from a book on Holdorf) and 
the text of the German article (not contained in the Smith summary). 

I suggest you try Werner's site.

Hope this helps,

Don



Re: [OL]Kessing

Date: 2000/08/27 19:33:54
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Kessing, Fam. Bernd, bei Kessing in Handorf, 7 persons, emigrated 1836 from Holdorf/Oldenburg

Source: www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/

> Can anyone look up Benard Kessing family of 6 on page 6 in the following
> book? My local library does not carry it, nor can they get it through
> their inter-library loan.

> Smith, Clifford Neal, Emigrants from the former Amt Damme, Oldenburg (now
> Niedersachsen), Germany, Mainly to the United States, 1830-1849. (German -
> American Genealogical Research Monograph, 12.) McNeal, Ariz: Westland
> Publications, 1981

> Sincerely,
> Jennifer
> Texas



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[OL]Re: [OL]Kuhlmann aus Hammelwarde n/Strückhausen

Date: 2000/08/27 20:32:20
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Hermann,
hast Du schon die Kuhlmann in Zetel und Bockhorn verglichen? Auch in Rastede habe ich um die Zeit welche gefunden( wenn ich mich nicht irre)
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813; Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als Mitglied des Oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus Bobersberg( Bestätigung) Er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens. _________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________
 
 
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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:59 PM
Subject: [OL]Kuhlmann aus Hammelwarden/Strückhausen

Hallo Listenteilnehmer
 
Wer kann mir helfen?
Suche Daten über die Familie:
Johann Friedrich Kuhlmann, * um 1800, + vor 1867
Heirat wahrscheinlich in Hammelwarden oder Strückhausen um 1833 mit
Margarete Catharine Beermann, * am 26. 11. 1799 in der Gemeinde Strückhausen, + am 20. 9. 1868 in der Gemeinde Jade.
Weitere ältere Daten nicht bekannt.
Ein Sohn bekannt:
Christian Friederich, * am 25. 8. 1838 in Norderfeld, Gemeinde Hammelwarden. (= mein Ur-Großvater)
 
Vielen Dank im Voraus und viele Grüße
 
Hermann Oltmanns,
Papenweg 5, 
D-59494 Soest
Telefon 02921-71833

[OL]Re: [OL]Kuhlmann aus Hammelwarde n/Strückhausen

Date: 2000/08/27 21:07:13
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Hermann,
hast Du schon die Kuhlmann in Zetel und Bockhorn verglichen? Auch in Rastede
habe ich um die Zeit welche gefunden( wenn ich mich nicht irre)
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
___________________NEU NEU NEU ______________________________________
Suche alle SCHWEER / SCHWEERS aus OLDENDORF im Osnabrückischen( bei
Melle)(zunächst vor 1815); alle LANDWEHR ausBASSUM vor 1813;
Auffenthaltsorte und Herkunft von Johann Conrad  HAGENAU, der 1810 als
Mitglied des Oldenburger Infanteriecorps beurkundet ist, sowie die Herkunft
seiner damaligen Ehefrau Wilhelmine Casselmann; Georg Seelig aus
obersberg( Bestätigung) Er hat 1738 in zweiter Ehe geheiratet und war zu dem
Zeitpunkt Kaufmann in Neustadtgödens.
_________________________________________________NEU NEU NEU
______________________


----- Original Message -----
From: Hermann Oltmanns, Soest
To: Mailingliste Genealogy Oldenburg
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 4:59 PM
Subject: [OL]Kuhlmann aus Hammelwarden/Strückhausen


Hallo Listenteilnehmer

Wer kann mir helfen?
Suche Daten über die Familie:
Johann Friedrich Kuhlmann, * um 1800, + vor 1867
Heirat wahrscheinlich in Hammelwarden oder Strückhausen um 1833 mit
Margarete Catharine Beermann, * am 26. 11. 1799 in der Gemeinde
Strückhausen, + am 20. 9. 1868 in der Gemeinde Jade.
Weitere ältere Daten nicht bekannt.
Ein Sohn bekannt:
Christian Friederich, * am 25. 8. 1838 in Norderfeld, Gemeinde Hammelwarden.
(= mein Ur-Großvater)

Vielen Dank im Voraus und viele Grüße

Hermann Oltmanns,
Papenweg 5,
D-59494 Soest
Telefon 02921-71833



Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/27 23:38:17
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de wrote:
If there was no son inheriting the possession often the eldest daughter
was the heir. And up to the beginning of the 19th century it was quite
usual in our area (Oldenburg) that her husband who married into his
wife's family adopted the surname of the family.
Especially this was the case if the possession was a so-called Erbhof,
or a Meyer- or Hausmann-farm. So, in this context a surname was rather
an attribute of a possession than an attribute of a human individual.
<>
This happened twice in my ancestor line:
Gersche Rowolt married Johan Mohrmann and had a daugther
named Talke Rowold who married Johan Heinrich Wallies
and they had 7 children all named Rowold. All were living in Nadorst.
I suppose that there was a farm important enough to do this name change.
 
But there was no important Rowold - farm in Nadorst, Gerold Diers couldn't even find a
minor one. 
 
Can anyone explain this?
 

[OL]Jever & Family Fulf von Middoge

Date: 2000/08/28 03:49:54
From: Kay Fulfs Cayler <kcayler(a)mother.com>

Following WWII people in my family sent CARE packages to the only known relatives still living in Germany. They were a childless, older couple living in Oldenburg.  As a thank you for the assistance sent by the family, they sent information about the history of the family in Germany.  Some information came from Middoge church records but other information came from two sources.  One source is titled "Auszüge aus der Geschichte des Jeverlandes" by F.W. Rieman and Georg Sello.  It translates as "Excerpts from the History of Jeverland".  The other source is "Aus der Chronik der familie Fulf von Middoge".  This translates as "From the Chronicle of the Family Fulf of Middoge".
 
My questions are:
1. Do the excerpts of Jever history come from a book?
2. If so, is that book available?
3. Is it in German or has it been translated into English?
4. Where did the Chronicle of the Fulf(s) family come from?
5. Is it common for families to have these chronicles?
6. Would there be such Chronicles for other families in the Oldenburg/Ostfriesen area?
 
Any help would be appreciated.
Kay Fulfs Cayler
Dixon, California

Re: [OL]Re: [OL]Kuhlmann aus Hammelwarden/Strueckhausen

Date: 2000/08/28 04:47:28
From: intrstrace <intrstrace(a)eohio.net>

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Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/28 05:04:05
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>

On 27 Aug 2000, at 23:17, Paul Rowold wrote:

> Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de wrote:
> If there was no son inheriting the possession often the eldest
> daughter was the heir. And up to the beginning of the 19th century it
> was quite usual in our area (Oldenburg) that her husband who married
> into his wife's family adopted the surname of the family. Especially
> this was the case if the possession was a so-called Erbhof, or a
> Meyer- or Hausmann-farm. So, in this context a surname was rather an
> attribute of a possession than an attribute of a human individual. <>
> This happened twice in my ancestor line: Gersche Rowolt married Johan
> Mohrmann and had a daugther named Talke Rowold who married Johan
> Heinrich Wallies and they had 7 children all named Rowold. All were
> living in Nadorst. I suppose that there was a farm important enough to
> do this name change.
> 
> But there was no important Rowold - farm in Nadorst, Gerold Diers
> couldn't even find a minor one.  
> 
> Can anyone explain this?

Yes. It was not necessary to have some kind of major farm. We 
need to remember that "most" people were landless, ie Heuerleute. 
Those who had a farm of any kind which they could leave to one of 
their children were among the few lucky people. We seem to forget 
the circumstances too readily.

So, if a girl with a farm married someone without one, he was the 
lucky fellow who now had a name to hang his hat onto. It came with 
the territory that he was now the farmer on the xyz farm and he was 
darn proud to have reached this status. There would have been no 
formal announcement or name change. It simply was the natural 
thing to be called by the name of one's home. Names and farms 
were intricably linked and while they may have used genannt on the 
official papers at church when a child was baptized, that was only to 
really identify the person by his real name and the one his children 
would inherit. That he was really Johann Schmidt before his 
marriage was really more of an embarrassment which he would like 
to forget. Often he married an older widow and wasn't exactly a 
prize catch but he could run the farm which a woman couldn't. 

On Nadorst - in 1938 the Rev. Franz Abeln wrote a short genealogy 
of the Barlage family around Christmas in Münster. It was entitled: 
"Barlage auf Nadorst bei Essen". 

Let me quote what he says about the origin of Nadorst.

'...wäre der Name Nadorst (auch Nadöst, Noades geschr.), der 
sogar in den Kirchenbüchern der Gemeinde Essen steht und im 
Volksmunde der gebräuchlichere ist. WEit verbreitet ist die 
Ansicht, daß dort, wo die Stelle Nadorst liegt, in alten Zeiten eine 
Schenke gewesen ist, daß dort die Bauern, wenn sie vom 
Kirchgange heimkehrten dort ihren Nachdurst (darum Nadöst) 
stillten, der sich mittlerweile eingestellt hatte. Dies ist eine recht 
volkstümliche Erklärung, die aber vieles für sich hat, da in der 
ältesten Urkunde, die wir von Nadorst haben von einem Bräuboden 
die Rede ist, und da sich nach Aussagen alter Laute in dem 
früheren Barlagschen Haus wiklich eine Kneipe befunden haben 
soll. Nach einer anderen Erklärung muß es einfach Nords heißen, 
was dann soviel heißt wie Norden oder nördlich, was ja in der Tat 
der Fall ist, denn Nadorst ist die nördlichste Stelle in Essen. '

Aber Du redest bestimmt von dem Nadorst in Butjadingen. Der 
Ursprung sollte aber auch etwas mit Norden zu tun haben. :-)

Fred

   
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Re: [OL]Hereditary rights

Date: 2000/08/28 20:38:29
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

In the Oldenburg area, this habit was also applied by small farms, like 
'Koeters' and 'Brinksitzer'.
Gerold 


Re: [OL]Hereditary rights - Nadorst

Date: 2000/08/28 20:55:23
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Interessant, wieviele Nadorst es gibt.
Ich war bisher davon ausgegangen, daß die Rowold von denen wir hier sprechen 
aus Nadorst bei Oldenburg kommen. (Nadorst ist heute ein Vorort der Stadt 
Oldenburg. Es gehörte früher zur Landgemeinde Oldenburg. Seit ca 1900 gehört 
es zur Kirchengemeinde Ohmstede.) 
In diesem Nadorst gibt es keinen Hausmanns- oder Erbbauernhof. Wahrscheinlich 
um 1550 ist hier die erste kleine Koeterstelle 'im Hahnenkampsmoor' 
entstanden. Erst in der Dänenzeit, ab 1667, wurden weitere Koeterstellen 
gegründet. 
Dagegen gab es mehrere Rowold im benachbarten Donnerschwee. Dort gab es auch 
Hausmannshöfe. 
Gerold Diers


[OL]chronicles for families in the Oldenburg/Ostfriesland area

Date: 2000/08/28 23:31:44
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hello Kay,
look at http://www.genealogy.net/gene/vereine/OGF and go to 'publications'. 
There you will find quite a number of family chronicles.
Gerold 
 


[OL]Re: Re: alte Buecher

Date: 2000/08/30 21:56:46
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

<< Hallo Ansgar, danke für das Angebot. Falls Du in den Büchern den Namen
 Schweer oder Schweers hast, wäre ich für die Angaben dankbar. >>

In dem Darrelmann-Buch (S 206) findet sich einmal SCHWEER:

Anna Carolina Friederika WILMES (*24.01.1865 +18.01.1928) heiratete am 
05.06.1888 den Zeller Johan Gerhard SCHWEER (*22.11.1844 in Hamstrup / 
Lastrup +27.08.1906). Die beiden hatten drei Kinder:
Anna Maria *20.12.1891
Clara Ida *09.11.1894
Friedrich Gerhard *11.11.1896, der am 22.11.1923 Catharina BOOKJANS aus 
Hamstrup (*25.12.1899) heiratete. Diese beiden hatten vier Kinder:
Caroline Maria *22.11.1924
Maria Henriette *30.09.1928
Paula Clara *17.09.1931
Josef August *01.09.1933

Beim Pagenstert gibt es eine Sortierung nach Orten. Wo kommen Deine Schweers 
her?


[OL]Re:Re: Alte Buecher (Darrelmann)

Date: 2000/08/31 12:57:40
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

<< Ist dies Buch so ziemlich über Essener Familien? Wie groß ist das 
 Buch in Seiten?>>


Das Buch hat 464 Seiten.
The book has 464 pages.

Der Schwerpunkt ist in der Tat die Gegend von Essen - so weit man halt 
geheiratet hat in der Zeit (bis Bunnen, Kneheim, Brokstreek, Märschendorf, 
Uptloh, Hemmelte, Hagel, Ahausen, Barlage, Resthausen, Herzlake, Nieholte, 
Sevelten, Warnstedt, Elsten, Bevern, Varelbusch, Bethen, Lastrup, Cappeln, 
Lüsche, Hausstette).
Most families are indeed from Essen, but also from .....

Es hat ein alfabetisches Namesregister.
It has an alfabetical register of names (a - z).

Ansgar Hollah


[OL]Developement of the Kingdom of Hannover and Oldenburg

Date: 2000/08/31 22:18:29
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Here you can find new maps:


http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/map-area/niedersachsen/index.htm

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Re: [OL]Developement of the Kingdom of Hannover and Oldenburg

Date: 2000/08/31 23:50:56
From: John C Polking <polking(a)rice.edu>

Very fine maps, Werner.  Thank you.

Werner Honkomp wrote:
> 
> Here you can find new maps:
> 
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