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Almsloh/Elmsloh

Date: 1999/02/01 17:29:00
From: Elsie Saar <saare(a)sunyulster.edu>

Hi, list.
We are searching the evang. church books of Ganderkesee, Oldenburg. We
see Almsloh mentioned as well as another similar area, Elmsloh. Are
these the same areas with a change in spelling or are they different
areas?
--
Elsie

West Hurley, NY (Oct-May)                Austerlitz, NY (June-Sept)
saare(a)sunyulster.edu                              saare(a)taconic.net



Re: Almsloh/Elmsloh

Date: 1999/02/02 02:17:56
From: MARYNEFF <MARYNEFF(a)prodigy.net>

Elsie,

You are searching the church books of Ganderkesee?  What form have you got
them in -- microfilms from the FHC?  What years do they run?

The reason I'm asking is that I've got a 3rd cousin that lives there now,
but I don't think his family branch has been there very many generations.
I'd like to know about the church books just in case someday later I might
be interested in them.

Thanks,

Mary

p.s. Sorry I can't help you with your question, I have an awfully big map of
Deutschland Nord, but it doesn't have either one of those places on it!
-----Original Message-----
From: Elsie Saar <saare(a)sunyulster.edu>
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:30 AM
Subject: Almsloh/Elmsloh


>Hi, list.
>We are searching the evang. church books of Ganderkesee, Oldenburg. We
>see Almsloh mentioned as well as another similar area, Elmsloh. Are
>these the same areas with a change in spelling or are they different
>areas?
>--
>Elsie
>
>West Hurley, NY (Oct-May)                Austerlitz, NY (June-Sept)
>saare(a)sunyulster.edu                              saare(a)taconic.net
>
>



Re: Almsloh/Elmsloh

Date: 1999/02/02 02:43:08
From: Peter Schaub <peters(a)kos.net>

Hello Elsie:
I didn't save your original message but I looked for both those places  in
my (detailed) German atlas and did not find them.

I also used geoserv and both names came back as unknown.

a close name Elmlohe comes back with this:

Prefix: Elmlohe
Elmlohe
GKZ    : 03 3 52 015
County :  | |  +---- Cuxhaven {CUX}
RegBez :  | +------- L"uneburg
Land   :  +--------- Niedersachsen
ZIP    : 27624
Popul  : 712
Locat  : (Cuxhaven) 53d52m N 8d42m E
Maps   : TK25  2118 Cuxhaven
         TK50 L2118 Cuxhaven
         Euro  Ie25
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Are you sure of the spelling??

Good luck,

Peter

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Re: Almsloh/Elmsloh

Date: 1999/02/02 03:33:41
From: Elsie Saar <saare(a)sunyulster.edu>

Mary,
The films are from the FHC. They are for Germany, Oldenburg, Ganderkesee -
church records and cover the period 1660-1860, film #'s 1431001 and 1431002.
They are 16mm films and you need to have high magnifications. Many frames are
overexposed or blurred. Very hard to read. What names are you researching?
Elsie

MARYNEFF wrote:

> Elsie,
>
> You are searching the church books of Ganderkesee?  What form have you got
> them in -- microfilms from the FHC?  What years do they run?
>
> The reason I'm asking is that I've got a 3rd cousin that lives there now,
> but I don't think his family branch has been there very many generations.
> I'd like to know about the church books just in case someday later I might
> be interested in them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary
>
> p.s. Sorry I can't help you with your question, I have an awfully big map of
> Deutschland Nord, but it doesn't have either one of those places on it!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elsie Saar <saare(a)sunyulster.edu>
> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 11:30 AM
> Subject: Almsloh/Elmsloh
>
> >Hi, list.
> >We are searching the evang. church books of Ganderkesee, Oldenburg. We
> >see Almsloh mentioned as well as another similar area, Elmsloh. Are
> >these the same areas with a change in spelling or are they different
> >areas?
> >--
> >Elsie
> >
> >West Hurley, NY (Oct-May)                Austerlitz, NY (June-Sept)
> >saare(a)sunyulster.edu                              saare(a)taconic.net
> >
> >

--
Elsie

West Hurley, NY (Oct-May)                Austerlitz, NY (June-Sept)
saare(a)sunyulster.edu                              saare(a)taconic.net



Re: Almsloh/Elmsloh

Date: 1999/02/02 03:46:54
From: Elsie Saar <saare(a)sunyulster.edu>

Peter,
Almsloh is between Bremen and Oldenburg. www.expediamaps.com shows it. I now
see that Elmlohe is north east of Bremerhaven. I wasn't sure of Elmlohe's
spelling. Now I know they are two different places and not changed spellings.
Thanks ever so much.
Elsie

Peter Schaub wrote:

> Hello Elsie:
> I didn't save your original message but I looked for both those places  in
> my (detailed) German atlas and did not find them.
>
> I also used geoserv and both names came back as unknown.
>
> a close name Elmlohe comes back with this:
>
> Prefix: Elmlohe
> Elmlohe
> GKZ    : 03 3 52 015
> County :  | |  +---- Cuxhaven {CUX}
> RegBez :  | +------- L"uneburg
> Land   :  +--------- Niedersachsen
> ZIP    : 27624
> Popul  : 712
> Locat  : (Cuxhaven) 53d52m N 8d42m E
> Maps   : TK25  2118 Cuxhaven
>          TK50 L2118 Cuxhaven
>          Euro  Ie25
> --
> Bug reports to Arthur.Teschler(a)uni-giessen.de
> Use GEO-Bug-Report as the subject to avoid automatic processing
>     If you haven't used this
> service before send a message to
>        geo(a)genealogy.net
>       with the single word
>              INFO
>       in the subject line.
>
> Are you sure of the spelling??
>
> Good luck,
>
> Peter
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> H. Peter Schaub, Kingston, On, Canada
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--
Elsie

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Date: 1999/02/02 05:29:52
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

As to the question where to find a timeline of East Frisian history 
see
below. It had a wrong address in the first message I sent to
Ostfriesen-L.... Sorry. Some short timeline from the Cirksena - 
times to
1945 is presented in the page below. If you think it is not ok, 
please <A
HREF="mailto:HAgena1401(a)aol.com">let me know</A>. This is 
correct. www
genealogy. com is said  to have been sold. I am sorry about that, 
not to
have changed all com to net. This it is: Geschichte in Zahlen          
   
             [Zum Anfang des Dokuments] 

     um 1000 Bau der ersten Deiche
     bis 1367 Einbruch des Dollart, Landverluste auch vor Norden und
     Jadebucht 1454 Kaiser Friedrich III. erhebt Ulrich (Cirksena) in 
den
     Grafenstand 1500 - 1575 Fräulein Maria von Jever 1506 Edzard 
herrscht
     zwischen Lauwers in Westfriesland (Niederlande) bis
zur Wesrte,
     außer Esens und Jever.
     1509, 26.9. St. Cosmos und Damina Flut
     1510, 6.9.   St. Magnus Flut Dollar und Jadebusen erreichen die
     größte
Ausdehnung
     1511, 16.1. Antoni Flut, Bruch der Notdeiche
     1514 - 1517 Sächsische Fehde
     1519 Beginn der Reformation
     2. Hälfte 16.Jh Zuzug niederländischer und flandrischer
Religionflüchtlinge
     1525 Deichbau bei Sanderahm
     1561 Brand in Aurich
     1568 Alba schlägt die Niederländer unter Ludwig von Nassau
     vernichtend
bei Jengum
             Deich von Horumersiel nach Hohenstiefersiel
     1570 2.November Allerheiligenflut
     1600 Harlingerland kommt zur Grafschaft Ostfriesland
     1614 Ubbo Emmius erster Rektor der Universität Groningen
     1616 erscheint U.Emmius Werk "Rerum Frisicarum Historia" in Leiden
     1622 - 1624 Mansfelder Landsknechte in Ostfriesland (Plünderunegn,
Brandschatzungen,
              Vergewaltigungen)
     1623 Beginn der Fehnkultur, Anlage des Timmlerfehn, späteres
     Großefehn 1636 Papenburger Fehn angelegt 1651 Petriflut, Altensiel
     vernichtet 1654 Graf Enno Ludwig wird Fürst von Ostfriesland 1666
     Pest im Süden Ostfrieslands 1667 Pest in Oldenburg
              Oldenburg wird dänisch
     1667/8 Festlegung der Grenze zwischen Ostfriesland und Jever
     1682 Brandenburger landen in Greetsiel
     2. Decade 18. Jh.: enorme Verluste durch Vieseuchen , Flut und Regen
     1717 Weihnachtsflut 1744 Emder Konvention, Anerkennung des
     preußischen Nachfolgerechts der
Fürsten. Die
      Cirksena sterben in männlicher Linie aus  Ostfriesland wird
      preußisch
     1773 Ende der dänischen Herrschaft in Oldenburg
     1785/89 Moorkolinsation
     1793 Jeverland russisch
     1806 Französische Besatzung
     1807 Holländische Besatzung
     1810 Ostfriesland und Jeverland werden Departement Ost - Ems und Teil
     des
              Kaiserreichs Frankreich
     1813 Ende der französischenHerrschaft
              Jeverland und Kniphusen werden russisch
     1815 Ostfriesland wird Teil des Königsreichs Hannover
     1848 bürgerliche Revolution
     1866 Ende des Königsreich Hannover, Ostfriesland wieder preußisch
     1944 Vernichtender Bombenangriff auf Emden, Große Kirche, Rathaus und
viele
              Giebelhäuser des 15. Jh. zerstört (Air raid on Emden)
     1946 Ostfriesland als Regierungsbezirk Aurich und Oldenburg als
Verwaltungsbezirk
              Oldenburg werden ins Bundesland Niedersachens eingegliedert
     1949 Neue Verfassung der Ostfriesischen Landschaft als
     kulturpolitische
Gesellschaft
     [Zum Anfang des Dokuments] 



The Rumps at
http://www.pelicanlake.com 
4788 Corian Court (E-Mail = fred(a)compu.com)
Naples, FL 34114-9418 <|||> 941-775-7838

Re: Almsloh/Elmsloh

Date: 1999/02/02 18:23:28
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Elsie,
Almsloh and Elmsloh are two different small villages in neighborhood as parts of 
the community Ganderkesee.
Located between Ganderkesee and Delmenhorst.

Werner
-----------------------------------------------
Elsie Saar schrieb:
> Hi, list.
> We are searching the evang. church books of Ganderkesee, Oldenburg. We
> see Almsloh mentioned as well as another similar area, Elmsloh. Are
> these the same areas with a change in spelling or are they different
> areas?
> --
> Elsie
>
> West Hurley, NY (Oct-May)                Austerlitz, NY (June-Sept)
> saare(a)sunyulster.edu                              saare(a)taconic.net
>
>

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4 DAMME Emigrants to CINCINNATI

Date: 1999/02/03 18:17:55
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

Hello All,  
I submit the following for current researchers and also to have it on record
for future researchers.  Please see my webpage at 
  http://members.aol.com/Bkercher/index.html 
for the actual data.  I don't have a lot of info on the related names, but I
can do some lookups as time allows.  Also, this is a different format of
sharing research from what I've seen in the past, so I'm curious as to whether
it appeals to anyone.
Bryan Kercher

4 DAMME Emigrants to CINCINNATI

This is a report of my research into the Damme, Oldenburg church books that
I have on loan from the LDS FHL. I am currently tracing 4 families in Damme
who had emigrants to Cincinnati in the mid-1800's. For each emigrant I have
compiled a list of marriages, births and deaths for all people of that given
surname for the years 1787 to 1841 for marriages, to 1839 for births, and
to 1829 for deaths. Click on the emigrant's highlighted name (from the
webpage) to view the records for that person's family.  In the future I hope
to do the same for 
earlier and later years.
The family pages are in somewhat raw format, basically recording what's found
in the church books, except in a more consistant format, and the births are
grouped together by family.  The emigrants are:

Christopher J. BORGEMENKE
--------------------------------------------
born: Johann Hermann Franz Christopher BÖRGEMENKE-SCHRÖDER, 6 Jan 1828 in
Borringhausen
married: 1853 in Cincinnati to Maria Anna Margaretha LÜCKEN/LÜKEN of Emsbüren 
died: 10 Feb 1886 in Cincinnati, OH
related names: SCHRÖDER/SCHRÄER, STRIEKER, LANGE, BÜNGER, HÜNINGHAKE, WEHMAN, 
               BÖRGER, KRÜMPELMANN, WERNEKE, GRAVEMEIER, BRINKMANN, LINNEMANN,
               BRÖRMAN, IMKE, RONNEBAUM, VON DER HEÿDE/UP DER HEIDE/AUF DER
HEÿDE, 
               TANGEMAN, HÜLSMAN, MEIER, NEDDERMANN, ERNST-KLATTE

Frederick DICKHAUS
-------------------------------
born: Johann Friederich DÿCKHUES, 12 Feb 1825 in Osterdamme 
married: 20 Dec 1855 in Cincinnati to Anna Maria HÜLSKAMP of Vechta
died: 23 Nov 1893 in Cincinnati
related names: DÿCKHUS, DÿCKHUES, DICKHUES, KLEINE SANDERMAN, GOTTBEHÖDE,
BALMAN, 
               SCHULTE, MACKEN, TEPE, SCHLARMAN, BÄUMER, MORMON, LINNEMAN,
LAMPE, 
               WILKE MACKE, MEIER/MEYER, STEINR_?_, MEYTHU_?_ORTMAN, WEHMING, 
               SCHÖNHÖVET, SCHILDMEYER/SCHILDMEIER, KÖNIG, FELDMAN, STRUCKHOF,
               NETLER, ENNEKING, AUSTING, BERKEMEÿER, STRIEKER, TRÜNE,
SCHRÖDER, 
               LIENING, ESCHERHUS/ESCHENHAUS, BROKAMP    

Elisabeth IMWALLE
-----------------------------
born: Maria Elisabeth IMWALDE, 26 Jun 1824 in Damme
married: 1850 in Cincinnati to Joseph LÜNING (below) 
died: 10 Jan 1895 in Cincinnati
related names: IMWALDE, TO WALDE, VON WALDE, VON WAHLDE, WELLERDING, PIEPER, 
               SUING, FELDKAMP, HARLING, DETERDING, RASCHE, MEIER, TEPE, 
               WOBKENBERG, BÿDERBALE?, BÄUMER, RUHR, BRÖRMANN 

Joseph LUNING
-----------------------
born: Theodor Bernard Joseph LÜNING, 31 Jan 1821 in Osterdamme 
married: 1850 in Cincinnati to Elisabeth IMWALLE (above)
died: Jan 1873 in Cincinnati
related names: NIEHUS/NIENHUS, GRAMKE, DALINGHUS, KLEINE, SCHUMACHER, LAMPE, 
               SCHÜTTE, LÜBKE/LÜPKE, KERSTING, FLOCKMANN, GEISE, TEKSKAMP, 
               KUHLMANN, FREKING, DANIELS, FEHRMAN, RONNEBAUM, GOTTBEHÖDE, 
               KLEIN TIEPE, KUME, RICKING, UPHUS, LEINLAND, FISCHER


Re: 4 DAMME Emigrants to CINCINNATI

Date: 1999/02/05 04:00:34
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello Brian,

> This is a report of my research into the Damme, Oldenburg church books that
> I have on loan from the LDS FHL. I am currently tracing 4 families in Damme
> who had emigrants to Cincinnati in the mid-1800's.

My request doesn't have anything to do with the 4 families you mentioned,  
but I'm actually trying to find a trace of the WELLMANN family, who lived  
in Damme, too, in the beginning of the 19th century.
I've got the copy of the civil war diary of Johann Friedrich Wilhelm  
Wellmann who left Germany and arrived in Baltimore on May 16, 1859. From  
there, he went to Cincinnati where he probably joined friends or family  
members. In 1861 he left Ohio as a volunteer of the 10th Ohio Infantry  
Regiment. He died after having been ill on March 2, 1863, in Murfreesboro,  
Tennessee.
It would be very interesting for me to know if the Wellmann family is  
registered in the Damme church books because until now I didn't succeed to  
look up any other trace of Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Wellmann's life.

Thank you

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         (o\ /o)
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Re: WELLMAN (was: 4 DAMME Emigrants to CINCINNATI)

Date: 1999/02/05 08:38:14
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

Hello Wolfgang,

In a message dated 2/4/99 10:29:38 PM Central Standard Time,
wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de writes:

> but I'm actually trying to find a trace of the WELLMANN family, who lived  
>  in Damme, too, in the beginning of the 19th century.
>  I've got the copy of the civil war diary of Johann Friedrich Wilhelm  
>  Wellmann who left Germany and arrived in Baltimore on May 16, 1859. From  
>  there, he went to Cincinnati where he probably joined friends or family  
>  members. In 1861 he left Ohio as a volunteer of the 10th Ohio Infantry  
>  Regiment. He died after having been ill on March 2, 1863, in Murfreesboro, 
>  Tennessee.
>
This is an interesting story.  Do you know approximately what year he was
born?  If I know that, I can look him up next time I make it to the FHC.
There is also an old book called "The History of Hamilton County, Ohio" which
gives a short history of each Ohio infantry division.  His name should be
listed there.  He would also be listed in the Index of Union Volunteers, but
that will only confirm what company he was in and what his rank was.  He could
also be in the 1860 census which would also give his age, and also if he was
living there with family.  I see in "Emigrants from the Former Amt Damme..."
that a Wellmann emigrated in 1848 to Cincinnati, so he probably had relatives
there already.

I'm curious about the diary.  Has it been published or is it from someone's
private collection?  Are you related, or just interested?

Thanks for the note,
Bryan Kercher

Luesche, born in Oldenburg/Germany 1808

Date: 1999/02/05 16:20:02
From: Markus Holtel <holtel(a)uni-muenster.de>

Hello!

I am looking for Bernard Hermann Luesche, born 1808 in the region of
Oldenburg/Germany, and his brother Johann Diedrich. They came to
Cincinnati and bought land in the Land Office in 1837. 
Bernard Hermann was married to Agnes Schmusing. There seems to have been
a grandmother, whose maiden name was Wintermann.

Markus
Muenster/Germany

Re: 4 DAMME Emigrants to CINCINNATI

Date: 1999/02/05 20:11:49
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Wolfgang,

Johannes Ostendorf listed 1942 in "Oldenburger Jahrbuch" follows:

Familie Landwirt (farmer) Wellmann -- nach Baltimore 1848, 2 persons

That all,

Werner
---------------------------------------------
Wolfgang Pohl schrieb:

My request doesn't have anything to do with the 4 families you mentioned,  
but I'm actually trying to find a trace of the WELLMANN family, who lived  
in Damme, too, in the beginning of the 19th century.
I've got the copy of the civil war diary of Johann Friedrich Wilhelm  
Wellmann who left Germany and arrived in Baltimore on May 16, 1859. From  
there, he went to Cincinnati where he probably joined friends or family  
members. In 1861 he left Ohio as a volunteer of the 10th Ohio Infantry  
Regiment. He died after having been ill on March 2, 1863, in Murfreesboro,  
Tennessee.
It would be very interesting for me to know if the Wellmann family is  
registered in the Damme church books because until now I didn't succeed to  
look up any other trace of Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Wellmann's life.

Thank you

-- 
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         (o\ /o)
        /|:.V.:|\      wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de
 jgs    \\::::://      http://www.ni.schule.de/~pohl/index.htm
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Elmsloh Map

Date: 1999/02/05 22:18:08
From: Elsie Saar <saare(a)sunyulster.edu>

A very kind person sent me a map of  Almsloh, Elmsloh and Ganderkesee
today. I saved the map to disk and accidentally deleted the email before
printing it. Therefore, I do not have your name and address anymore. I
wanted to thank you very much for your kindness. The map points out the
three places very nicely. I will keep it with my other maps that you
kind people have sent me previously. What a wonderful, helpful bunch of
people you all are.
Thank you.
--
Elsie

West Hurley, NY (Oct-May)                Austerlitz, NY (June-Sept)
saare(a)sunyulster.edu                              saare(a)taconic.net




Re: WELLMANN (was: 4 DAMME Emigrants to CINCINNATI)

Date: 1999/02/06 20:47:02
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello Werner,

> Johannes Ostendorf listed 1942 in "Oldenburger Jahrbuch" follows:
>
> Familie Landwirt (farmer) Wellmann -- nach Baltimore 1848, 2 persons

Thank you for your information. I already read this article, and the fact  
that Johann Friedrich Wilhelm arrived in the same port as the Wellmann  
family Ostendorf mentioned makes me believe that there could be a common  
family background. By the way, I found two persons named "Wellmann" on the  
list of passengers of the ship "Huntingdon" that arrived at the port of  
Baltimore on August 30, 1848. They are registered as "Joh. Wellmann, 42,  
male, farmer" and "Marianne Wellmann, 31 (??), female, farmer".

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         (o\ /o)
        /|:.V.:|\      wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de
 jgs    \\::::://      http://www.ni.schule.de/~pohl/index.htm
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Re: WELLMAN

Date: 1999/02/06 20:47:06
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello Bryan,

> This is an interesting story.  Do you know approximately what year he was
> born?  If I know that, I can look him up next time I make it to the FHC.

An interesting story, isn't it? Unfortunately I don't know exactly when  
Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Wellmann was born, he never mentioned his age or  
his birthday in his diary; the only things I know is when he emigrated to  
Baltimore (1859) and when he died (1863). But I can try to estimate the  
year of his birth, because (attention, this is just a theory...):
It is known that two farmers named Wellmann emigrated from Damme into the  
USA in 1848. They were on board of the ship "Huntingdon" and arrived at  
the port of Baltimore on August 30, 1848. On the passengers' list of this  
ship they are registered

29) Joh. Wellmann, 42, male, farmer
30) Marianne Wellmann, 31 (??), female, farmer

So, if Joh(ann) Wellmann is Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Wellmann's father, he  
was born in 1806. This could mean that his son was born at the end of the  
1820s or in the first half of the 1830s. If this is true, Johann Friedrich  
Wellmann was about 30 years old when he emigrated to Baltimore in 1859.

> There is also an old book called "The History of Hamilton County, Ohio" which
> gives a short history of each Ohio infantry division.  His name should be
> listed there.  He would also be listed in the Index of Union Volunteers, but
> that will only confirm what company he was in and what his rank was.  He

This could be useful, all the same. Normally, if I knew Wellmann's date of  
birth, the National Archives could give me more information about his  
military career. The NATF Form 80 for military service record research is  
already on my desktop...

> could also be in the 1860 census which would also give his age, and also if
> he was living there with family.  I see in "Emigrants from the Former Amt
> Damme..." that a Wellmann emigrated in 1848 to Cincinnati, so he probably had
> relatives there already.

I didn't try the 1860 census yet. Can you give me more information about  
how to get these kinds of records?

> I'm curious about the diary.  Has it been published or is it from someone's
> private collection?  Are you related, or just interested?

A professor of the near-by University of Oldenburg handed me out his copy  
of this diary when he saw that I was interested in this matter. The copy  
is not very good, two pages are missing, and unfortunately the professor  
doesn't remember where he got it from... perhaps in Oldenburg, Indiana. As  
far as I know, the diary was never published.

No, I'm not related of all. All this is "just" part of a school project  
about emigration. Some of my students actually try to write down the  
diary's text, and my additional work is to find out more details about  
Wellmann's roots and intentions.

Thank you for your interest.


>
> Thanks for the note,
> Bryan Kercher


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Re: WELLMANN

Date: 1999/02/06 21:28:37
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 2/6/99 1:48:04 PM Central Standard Time,
wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de writes:

> > There is also an old book called "The History of Hamilton County, Ohio" 
> > which gives a short history of each Ohio infantry division.  His name
should 
> > be listed there.  He would also be listed in the Index of Union
Volunteers, 
> > but that will only confirm what company he was in and what his rank was.  
>  
>  This could be useful, all the same. Normally, if I knew Wellmann's date of 
>  birth, the National Archives could give me more information about his  
>  military career. The NATF Form 80 for military service record research is  
>  already on my desktop...
>  
>  > could also be in the 1860 census which would also give his age, and also 
>  > if he was living there with family.  I see in "Emigrants from the Former
Amt
>  > Damme..." that a Wellmann emigrated in 1848 to Cincinnati, so he probably
>  > had relatives there already.
>  
>  I didn't try the 1860 census yet. Can you give me more information about  
>  how to get these kinds of records?
>  

Wolfgang, 
I can (hopefully) get both of these for you in a couple of days.  I'll also
keep an eye out for WELLMANN  in the Damme church records when I get back to
the FHC.  
Auf wiederhören,
Bryan


Delmenhorst, Oldenburg?

Date: 1999/02/08 06:53:26
From: A & B Lehmkuhl <lkool(a)citytel.net>

I'm looking for the birth details and parents of Frederick (Friedrich)
Daniel Christian (Christiaan) LEHMKUHL born 1821/2 maybe in Delmenhorst,
Oldenburg. He was not Catholic.
I do not have any other information about him in Germany. He emigrated to
South Africa in 1840s where he got married in 1848.
Any help will be appreciated. Please reply to my email address.
Thanks
Anne Lehmkuhl
Canada


LUKEN (was Wellman)

Date: 1999/02/08 07:16:55
From: CatMom1 <CatMom1(a)aol.com>

I have run across the family of an Anton Welman/Wellman m. Lula Kramer in
Louisville, KY.  (This is close to Cincinnati, and there is some movement back
and forth in some of my families.) The Welman's  are mentioned extensively in
family diaries that I have been lent from a Jansing family member, and are
referred to as cousins. The diaries are dated 1905-1912, and most of the
people mentioned would have been born 1860- 1890.

I believe the relationship to the Jansings is through the Luken-Kramer
connection, which is present, but not clearly defined. 

I have Clemens C. KRAMER, b. 24 March 1823 Kirchspiel Steinfelt, Preis Vechta
d. 31 March 1911 Louisville, KY.  His first wife was Mary HOLLKAMP, whom he
married in the UA.  According to his obituary, he came to the US as a boy
through New Orleans on a ship that his uncle was captain of.  Clemen's second
wife was Caroline LUKEN, b. 7 March 1844 Loningen, Oldenburg d. 30 September
1916 Louisville, KY.
Clemens had numerous children with his first wife, several of whom I can find
no trace.  However, of the three listed as living at the time of Clemens'
death, I have the following:
Rebecca Kramer b. 22 October 1849 Louisville, KY d. 6 September  1943
Louisville, KY m. John F. E.  WAECHTER
Lula Kramer m. Anton WELMAN
Clemens A. Kramer m. Mary Caroline LUKEN b 1848 Louisville, KY (Mary Caroline
is the daughter of John Bernard Luken and Margaret Puster.  An older sister,
Mary Elizabeth Luken b. 1841 Loningen, Oldenburg m. Jacob SCHMITT)

I am unclear as to how all these Lukens relate to Wilhelm Luken and Adelaide
Luken Luken, but I am confident that they are related.  They are godparents to
the children of Wilhelm and Adelaide, they lived in close proximity to
eachother, they all seem to come from Loningen, and they are referred to as
cousins in the Jansing diaries.


Alex Luken

Main Surnames:  LUKEN, JANSING, KUPPER, WESSEL, WINDHORST
Other Surnames:  KIPP, QUILLMAN, HARTLAGE, KRAMER, SCHMITT

[no subject]

Date: 1999/02/08 16:44:20
From: Kortenkamp, Daniel <dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu>

Fred,

This guy (Herbert Juling) lists FRANCKE in Harsewinkel on his "List of
Surnames" and "List of Birthplaces." 

	http://www.lesum.de/juling/thatsme.htm


Daniel

Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D.        dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu
Dept. of  Psychology
University of Wisconsin                fax: 715 346-2778 
Stevens Point, WI  54481
http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm


apology

Date: 1999/02/08 17:52:45
From: Kortenkamp, Daniel <dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu>

oldenburg-l subscribers:

I'm sorry, I intended to send the following message only to Fred Rump, not
to the entire oldenburg-l.

Please accept my apology.

Daniel

Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D.        dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu
Dept. of  Psychology
University of Wisconsin                fax: 715 346-2778 
Stevens Point, WI  54481
http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm

> ----------
> From: 	Kortenkamp, Daniel[SMTP:dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu]
> Reply To: 	oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
> Sent: 	Monday, February 08, 1999 9:44 AM
> To: 	'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net'
> 
> Fred,
> 
> This guy (Herbert Juling) lists FRANCKE in Harsewinkel on his "List of
> Surnames" and "List of Birthplaces." 
> 
> 	http://www.lesum.de/juling/thatsme.htm
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
> Daniel J. Kortenkamp, Ph.D.        dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu
> Dept. of  Psychology
> University of Wisconsin                fax: 715 346-2778 
> Stevens Point, WI  54481
> http://www.uwsp.edu/acad/psych/dk/danielpg.htm
> 

Re: LUKEN (was Wellman)

Date: 1999/02/08 21:58:23
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Many Kramer and some other names from Steinfeld you can find on this great 
genealogy-website:

http://www.ktn.net/~jscoblic/genealo/index.html

Werner
------------------------------------------------------------
CatMom1(a)aol.com schrieb:
> I have run across the family of an Anton Welman/Wellman m. Lula Kramer in
> Louisville, KY.  (This is close to Cincinnati, and there is some movement back
> and forth in some of my families.) The Welman's  are mentioned extensively in
> family diaries that I have been lent from a Jansing family member, and are
> referred to as cousins. The diaries are dated 1905-1912, and most of the
> people mentioned would have been born 1860- 1890.
>
> I believe the relationship to the Jansings is through the Luken-Kramer
> connection, which is present, but not clearly defined. 
>
> I have Clemens C. KRAMER, b. 24 March 1823 Kirchspiel Steinfelt, Preis Vechta
> d. 31 March 1911 Louisville, KY.  His first wife was Mary HOLLKAMP, whom he
> married in the UA.  According to his obituary, he came to the US as a boy
> through New Orleans on a ship that his uncle was captain of.  Clemen's second
> wife was Caroline LUKEN, b. 7 March 1844 Loningen, Oldenburg d. 30 September
> 1916 Louisville, KY.
> Clemens had numerous children with his first wife, several of whom I can find
> no trace.  However, of the three listed as living at the time of Clemens'
> death, I have the following:
> Rebecca Kramer b. 22 October 1849 Louisville, KY d. 6 September  1943
> Louisville, KY m. John F. E.  WAECHTER
> Lula Kramer m. Anton WELMAN
> Clemens A. Kramer m. Mary Caroline LUKEN b 1848 Louisville, KY (Mary Caroline
> is the daughter of John Bernard Luken and Margaret Puster.  An older sister,
> Mary Elizabeth Luken b. 1841 Loningen, Oldenburg m. Jacob SCHMITT)
>
> I am unclear as to how all these Lukens relate to Wilhelm Luken and Adelaide
> Luken Luken, but I am confident that they are related.  They are godparents to
> the children of Wilhelm and Adelaide, they lived in close proximity to
> eachother, they all seem to come from Loningen, and they are referred to as
> cousins in the Jansing diaries.
>
>
> Alex Luken
>
> Main Surnames:  LUKEN, JANSING, KUPPER, WESSEL, WINDHORST
> Other Surnames:  KIPP, QUILLMAN, HARTLAGE, KRAMER, SCHMITT

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Re: Delmenhorst, Oldenburg?

Date: 1999/02/09 19:24:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Ann,

I have a friend in Oldenburg with the name Johann (Jo) Lehmkuhl.
He means that the family of him is an other branch.
He will me send some information about the family history.
He have a homepage which I created: http://www.oyc.de/jo.lehmkuhl/

If I have more information I will send it to you.

Werner
-----------------------------------------------
A & B Lehmkuhl schrieb:
> I'm looking for the birth details and parents of Frederick (Friedrich)
> Daniel Christian (Christiaan) LEHMKUHL born 1821/2 maybe in Delmenhorst,
> Oldenburg. He was not Catholic.
> I do not have any other information about him in Germany. He emigrated to
> South Africa in 1840s where he got married in 1848.
> Any help will be appreciated. Please reply to my email address.
> Thanks
> Anne Lehmkuhl
> Canada
>

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Re: WELLMANN

Date: 1999/02/10 04:01:05
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello Bryan,

> I can (hopefully) get both of these for you in a couple of days.  I'll also
> keep an eye out for WELLMANN  in the Damme church records when I get back to
> the FHC.

Thank you very much in advance!
By the way: what is the abreviation FHC for? I know the LDS genealogical  
research centers, is it something like that?

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Re: WELLMANN

Date: 1999/02/10 05:33:40
From: Gene K. Speckert <geneks(a)mail1.i1.net>

>Hello Bryan,
>
>> I can (hopefully) get both of these for you in a couple of days.  I'll also
>> keep an eye out for WELLMANN  in the Damme church records when I get back to
>> the FHC.
>
>Thank you very much in advance!
>By the way: what is the abreviation FHC for? I know the LDS genealogical
>research centers, is it something like that?

FHC = Family History Center.  This is the same as LDS (Latter Day Saints, =
Mormon) genealogical research centers.

Gene

Gene K. Speckert
geneks(a)mail1.i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~geneks/



Re: WELLMANN

Date: 1999/02/10 07:03:16
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

Hello Wolfgang (and all),

Today I had a chance to go to the genealogy library and the LDS Family History
Center (FHC) and look up Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Wellmann, the Civil War
soldier whose diary you are studying.  I'm happy to say I found some traces of
him, but as you'll see, not as much as you were maybe hoping.  Here's what I
found:

1.)  In the Index to Union Volunteers in the Civil War for Ohio, I found him
twice
      Wellman, Wilhelm,  Company B, 10th Ohio Infantry (3 months 1861),
Private/Private
      Wellmann, Wilhelm,  Company B, 10th Ohio Infantry,  Private/Private  

       At the beginning of the war, several regiments were raised immediately
for 3 months just to get things going (and for emergencies I guess), then they
re-enlisted for 3 years for the long term of the war.  An index card was
created for each enlistment.  "Private/Private" indicates his rank at
enlistment and at the end of his service.

2.)  I also looked for him in the Index to Pension Files 1861-1934 and didn't
find him.  This tells me that he probably wasn't married otherwise his widow
would have filed, as many did.  By the way, there were 16 William
Wellman/Wellmann's, none from 10th Ohio (no Wilhelm's, also no match under
Frederick/Friedrich or John/Johann).

3.) Next I went to the book The History of Hamilton County and looked up 10th
Ohio in the Military History Chapter.  (That's where I got the info about the
3 months/3 years)  Page 105, 10th Ohio Infantry, Company B, lists Pvt. William
Wellman under "Killed in Battle".  It gives a summary of the history of the
10th (they were all over the place).  No mention of Murfreesboro, TN  by name,
but one of many battlesites listed could have been there.

4.)  Next I got his census listing.  In the 1860 Federal Census for Ohio,
Hamilton County, Ward 9, p. 403, he is listed as Wm Wellman, age 24, a
laborer, from Prussia.  He was boarding with Eliza Wernke (54, Hanover) and
her 3 children.  
      This tells me he wasn't from Oldenburg, since in 1860, they made a clear
distinction between Oldenburg, Hannover, and Prussia.  This page in fact is a
mix of Ohio, Oldenburg, Hanover, Prussia, and 1 Bavaria.  Of course, they did
make a mistake or two. :-)  

5.)  I also checked the 1859 and 1860 Cincinnati City Directory (only have up
to 1860) but no sign of him.  Only a Hy. (Henry) and a H. (Henry?) Wellman.   

6.)  Lastly, I checked the Damme birth records between 1835-1838 just in case
(that was your original question :-)  and no Wellmann.    I might add that the
records in this time period are very easy to read - good handwriting and in
the "modern" style since it's mostly Latin.    I also looked for Johann
Wellmann born about 1806 ( the one who emigrated in 1848 at age 42), but no
sign of him either.    Two Wellmann's I did find as I was scanning for some
other names were:
  Maria Elisabeth Wellmann, b. Oct 5, 1821, daughter of Johann Hermann
Wellmann and Maria Engel Pellenwestel, in Osterdamme
  Maria Elisabeth Wellmann, b. Nov 15, 1822, daughter of Johann Heinrich
Wellmann and Maria Engel Grote, in Borringhausen

That's all I had time for.  Now, knowing his Regiment, hopefully you have
resources to get more detailed information about his time as a soldier.  As
for where he came from, I'm guessing the original Kingdom of Prussia.

Now a question for you, Wolfgang.  If your information about Wilhelm Wellmann
is coming from his diary, how do you know he died on March 2, 1863?  Did
someone do him a favor and fill in the last page for him?  Just curious.

Cheers,
Bryan Kercher
Houston, TX

Re: WELLMANN Diary (10th Ohio Infantry from Cincinnnati)

Date: 1999/02/10 20:47:11
From: Caeser1932 <Caeser1932(a)aol.com>

Wolfgang, 
     I am very interested in this Wellman Diary. My great grandfather served
in the 10th OVI. Many of the Tenth Ohio were Irish,as was my GGF (Patrick
Twohig).  Where did you obtain your copy of the diary. How may I obtain one?
     Do you know if there were any other Wellmans that served in that unit and
survived the war? If so they may have applied for a Civil war Pension and the
records would be on file at the National Archives in Washington.
Thanks,
Jerry Twohig
Caeser1932(a)AOL.com

Re: WELLMANN Diary (10th Ohio Infantry from Cincinnati)

Date: 1999/02/10 21:14:01
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 2/10/99 1:48:31 PM Central Standard Time,
Caeser1932(a)aol.com writes:

>      I am very interested in this Wellman Diary. My great grandfather served
>  in the 10th OVI. Many of the Tenth Ohio were Irish,as was my GGF (Patrick
>  Twohig).  
>
In reading through the different companies of the 10th Ohio Infantry, I did
notice that there were 2 companies in particular (B & F) that were all German
(at least German sounding).  The others like A, looked like they must have
been all or mostly Irish as Jerry mentions.   


>  Do you know if there were any other Wellmans that served in that unit and
>  survived the war? If so they may have applied for a Civil war Pension and
the
>  records would be on file at the National Archives in Washington.
>
I did look at all Wellman/Wellmann's in the pension files and I didn't find
any that were in the 10th OH.  There were some others from other Ohio
infantries, however.  The next step is probably to try to trace those other
Wellmanns back and see where they lead.

Bryan

Re: WELLMANN

Date: 1999/02/10 21:23:32
From: Caeser1932 <Caeser1932(a)aol.com>

Hello Wolfgang, Bryan et al:
     Regarding Wellman at Murfreesboro, Tennessee. The 10th Ohio served as
General Rosecrans' Headquarters Guard during the battle of Stones River
(Murfreesboro) on Dec 31 and Jan 2, 1863. They remained at Murfreesboro until
the spring offensive against Chattanooga.
Jerry Twohig, Oxford, Ohio

Fwd: RE: WELLMAN (was: 4 DAMME Emigrants to CINCINNATI)

Date: 1999/02/11 05:52:35
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

This may not be strictly concerned with Oldenburg, but in case someone here is
interested in how it turns out, I forward the following from the Cincinnati
mailing list (I copied the foregoing correspondence to that list for just such
a response)...
Bryan Kercher

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:43:37 -0600
From: "David Pitman" <karabeth(a)csi.com>
To: OHHAMILT-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: WELLMAN  (was: 4 DAMME Emigrants to CINCINNATI)

Being a new member of this list and being a Cincinnati native who has lived
the last 14 years in Murfreesboro, TN  the discussion about the immigrant
turned Union soldier caught my eye.

This soldier may have taken part in the Battle of Stones River (or the
Battle of Murfreesboro, depending on your perspective) or he may have been
part of the troops that occupied this town and fortified Fortress Rosecrans
during the middle part of the war.  The battle itself took place around
Christmas and New Years of 1862-1863 (I think I have my years correct).  The
battle was a draw but it opened the way for the south to be cut in half.
The Union definitely gained an advantage because of this encounter.

Murfreesboro was occupied by Union troops twice during the war. Fortress
Rosecrans was a supply and ammunition depot that was heavily guarded.

There is a National Battlefield and Federal Cemetery located here.  If you
want to know if this soldier is buried here I could contact the battlefield
and see if they have him listed.  I know they are always looking for
information concerning the soldiers who are buried here because they have
interpretive tours frequently.

Kym

Re: WELLMANN Diary (10th Ohio Infantry from Cincinnnati)

Date: 1999/02/12 04:00:32
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello Jerry,

>      I am very interested in this Wellman Diary. My great grandfather served
> in the 10th OVI. Many of the Tenth Ohio were Irish,as was my GGF (Patrick
> Twohig).  Where did you obtain your copy of the diary. How may I obtain one?

The copy I've got is from professor Antonius Holtmann, University of  
Oldenburg. I was very surprised when he told me that the copy he handed me  
out was so to speak his own original version: he made a copy of the diary  
on one of his trips to America and even couldn't remember where exactly it  
was - but probably in Oldenburg/Indiana. If the quality of this copy was  
better, I'd be glad to make another one for you (but it's in German!).  
Please let me know if you keep being interested in spite of everything.

Wolfgang

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Re: WELLMANN

Date: 1999/02/12 04:00:34
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello Bryan
and all those who follow the Wellmann story ;-)

> Today I had a chance to go to the genealogy library and the LDS Family
> History Center (FHC) and look up Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Wellmann, the Civil
> War soldier whose diary you are studying.  I'm happy to say I found some
> traces of him, but as you'll see, not as much as you were maybe hoping.
[...]

Fantastic! Thank you Bryan for your precious help and all the time you've  
been investing in this matter. The results of your research seem to  
indicate that 'my' Wilhelm Wellmann wasn't a citizen of the Great Duchy of  
Oldenburg; so further discussions about him would be 'off topic' here,  
wouldn't they?
When the diary's first commented typescript version will be ready (in  
April/May 99 or so...), I'll be able (and happy) to offer an electronic  
copy to all those who are interested in it. I'll let you know when this  
work is finished.

> Now a question for you, Wolfgang.  If your information about Wilhelm Wellmann
> is coming from his diary, how do you know he died on March 2, 1863?  Did
> someone do him a favor and fill in the last page for him?  Just curious.

Yes indeed. On the last page of Wellmann's diary one of his regimental  
companions (he didn't mention his name) noted that he died after having  
being sick on March 2, 1863. This is the diary's last entry (of course  
;-)).

Wolfgang

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Re: Delmenhorst, Oldenburg?

Date: 1999/02/13 15:20:25
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Ann,
Jo Lehmkuhl gave me the the family tree of his ancestors. But it is not notice 
about your Frederick Daniel Christian Lehmkuhl.
Jo means, that the Lehmkuhl's origin is Bloherfelde, a part of the town 
Oldenburg.
Maybe your branch moved to Delmenhorst, why do you mean this? Please send me all 
dates you have, next time when I visit the Staatsarchiv Oldenburg then I will 
look the church books.

Werner
--------------------------------------------------------

A & B Lehmkuhl schrieb:
> I'm looking for the birth details and parents of Frederick (Friedrich)
> Daniel Christian (Christiaan) LEHMKUHL born 1821/2 maybe in Delmenhorst,
> Oldenburg. He was not Catholic.
> I do not have any other information about him in Germany. He emigrated to
> South Africa in 1840s where he got married in 1848.
> Any help will be appreciated. Please reply to my email address.
> Thanks
> Anne Lehmkuhl
> Canada
>

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Re: Delmenhorst, Oldenburg?

Date: 1999/02/13 21:40:30
From: B & A Lehmkuhl <lkool(a)citytel.net>

Hello Werner
Thank you for your help.
The only date I have for Frederick is a birthdate of 06 September 1822.
Nothing else.
I think he was from Delmenhorst because I found a note that said
Delmenhorst, Oldenburg as his birthplace. I'm not certain that this note is
right.
Anne
Canada
 
At 03:18 PM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello Ann,
>Jo Lehmkuhl gave me the the family tree of his ancestors. But it is not
notice 
>about your Frederick Daniel Christian Lehmkuhl.
>Jo means, that the Lehmkuhl's origin is Bloherfelde, a part of the town 
>Oldenburg.
>Maybe your branch moved to Delmenhorst, why do you mean this? Please send
me all 
>dates you have, next time when I visit the Staatsarchiv Oldenburg then I
will 
>look the church books.
>
>Werner
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>A & B Lehmkuhl schrieb:
>> I'm looking for the birth details and parents of Frederick (Friedrich)
>> Daniel Christian (Christiaan) LEHMKUHL born 1821/2 maybe in Delmenhorst,
>> Oldenburg. He was not Catholic.
>> I do not have any other information about him in Germany. He emigrated to
>> South Africa in 1840s where he got married in 1848.
>> Any help will be appreciated. Please reply to my email address.
>> Thanks
>> Anne Lehmkuhl
>> Canada
>>
>
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> 

(Fwd) Neues Buch ueber "Emsteker" Familien und Hoefe

Date: 1999/02/14 05:15:22
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

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Date sent:      	Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:06:51 +0100
From:           	Juergen Drees <j.drees(a)tu-bs.de>
Organization:   	Technische Universitaet Braunschweig
To:             	"W. Fred Rump" <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
Copies to:      	Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Subject:        	Neues Buch ueber Emsteker Familien und Hoefe

Hallo Fred,

es gibt ein neues Buch, das fuer Genealogen aus dem Oldenburger
Muensterland sehr interessant sein duerfte: 

Kemkes, Hugo:
Das Kirchspiel Emstek. Zwischen Hexenberg und Desum.
Aufsaetze zur aelteren Geschichte des Kirchdorfs, der 
Bauerschaften und
Gueter, mit einem Hoefekatalog (1500 - 1900)

Herausgeber: Museumsdorf Cloppenburg, 1998
in der Reihe: Quellen und Studien zur Regionalgeschichte 
Niedersachsens,
Band 5

ISBN: 3-923675-74-7

380 Seiten, Preis: ca. 50,- DM
Erschienen ist das Buch im November 1998.

Zitat aus dem Geleitwort:
"Der Autor hat es sich zur Aufgabe gemacht, alle verfuegbaren 
Quellen und
Erkenntnisse zur Entstehungs- und Siedlungsgeschichte der 
Kirchspielorte
zusammenzutragen und sie unter dem Anspruch auf 
wissenschaftliche
Ueberpruefbarkeit als geschlossenes Kompendium zu 
veroeffentlichen. Fuer
die siedlungs- und bevoelkerungsgeschichtliche Forschung 
besonders
bedeutsam erweist sich die komplette Hofkartei des Kirchspiels. Sie
enthaelt die nahezu vollstaendige Auflistung der jeweiligen Hofinhaber,
mit Angaben ueber Mitbewohner und Gesinde, Viehbestaende und Abgaben,
Hofgroessen und Besitzverhaeltnisse, eingebunden in den Zeitraum zwischen
1500 und 1900. Dem genealogisch interessierten Leser erschliessen sich
ueber chronologisch aneinandergereihte Quellenquerschnitte lueckenlose
Zugansmoeglichkeiten zu den lokalen Individuen und Bevoelkerungsgruppen,
wie ueberhaupt die Studie das gesamte soziale Spekturm des Kirchspiels
erfasst, indem es auch die Adelssitze und Gueter sowie deren jeweilige
fruehen Beweohner mitberuecksichtigt."


Falls Du meinst, das Buch waere auch etwas fuer die Oldenburg-Liste,
kannst Du diese e-Mail gerne weitergeben.


Viele Gruesse

Juergen Drees

P.S.: Kopie dieser e-Mail geht an Werner Honkomp, dem ich vor einiger Zeit
nur den ungefaehren Titel des Buches sagen konnte. --
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Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/14 21:13:14
From: St. Francis <stfranc(a)bright.net>

Dear Robert,

I have relocated my file on the Ferneding Family.
Are you still interested in it?

Thank you,
Father David Hoying

Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/14 21:55:12
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

At 03:37 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Robert,
>
>I have relocated my file on the Ferneding Family.
>Are you still interested in it?
>
>Thank you,
>Father David Hoying
 
Father David,

Thank you for your thoughtful note.  Your Ferneding family file info would
be most welcome.

I have traced back for five to six generations before me with Werner's help
and Kirchbuch records form LDS Family history film. I have gotten info from
U. Notre Dame and Archdiocese of Cincinnati archives on Fr. Joseph
Ferneding. I am writing an article on Joseph's life.

I am not certain how my Ggrandmother Elisabeth Ferneding was able to travel
to U.S. in 1849 as a six year old, if my immigration date is correct.
Perhaps the Dayton Fernedings were part of her family.  Please send your
file. :) :) Regards, Bob Niehaus

Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/14 22:28:28
From: St. Francis <stfranc(a)bright.net>


----------
> From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 3:54 PM
> 
> At 03:37 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Dear Robert,
> >
> >I have relocated my file on the Ferneding Family.
> >Are you still interested in it?
> >
> >Thank you,
> >Father David Hoying
>  
> Father David,
> 
> Thank you for your thoughtful note.  Your Ferneding family file info
would
> be most welcome.
> 
> I have traced back for five to six generations before me with Werner's
help
> and Kirchbuch records form LDS Family history film. I have gotten info
from
> U. Notre Dame and Archdiocese of Cincinnati archives on Fr. Joseph
> Ferneding. I am writing an article on Joseph's life.
> 
> I am not certain how my Ggrandmother Elisabeth Ferneding was able to
travel
> to U.S. in 1849 as a six year old, if my immigration date is correct.
> Perhaps the Dayton Fernedings were part of her family.  Please send your
> file. :) :) Regards, Bob Niehaus

Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/14 23:48:22
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 14 Feb 99, at 15:54, Robert F. Niehaus wrote about Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus:

Hi,
I'm interested in anything on the Dayton Fernedings.

Fred


> At 03:37 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Dear Robert,
> >
> >I have relocated my file on the Ferneding Family.
> >Are you still interested in it?
> >
> >Thank you,
> >Father David Hoying
> 
> Father David,
> 
> Thank you for your thoughtful note.  Your Ferneding family file info would
> be most welcome.
> 
> I have traced back for five to six generations before me with Werner's
> help and Kirchbuch records form LDS Family history film. I have gotten
> info from U. Notre Dame and Archdiocese of Cincinnati archives on Fr.
> Joseph Ferneding. I am writing an article on Joseph's life.
> 
> I am not certain how my Ggrandmother Elisabeth Ferneding was able to
> travel to U.S. in 1849 as a six year old, if my immigration date is
> correct. Perhaps the Dayton Fernedings were part of her family.  Please
> send your file. :) :) Regards, Bob Niehaus
> 


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Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/15 00:36:14
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

At 05:43 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>On 14 Feb 99, at 15:54, Robert F. Niehaus wrote about Re: Message for R.F.
Niehaus:
>
>Hi,
>I'm interested in anything on the Dayton Fernedings.
>
>Fred
 Fred,  I will send you what I receive from Fr. David on the fernedinggs in
Dayton.  I do have a letter form a Dayton Ferneding to Bishop Purcell of
Cinti. pushing their building a new church.  I will copy this and send it
to you.   bob

Re: Dyersville and New Vienna

Date: 1999/02/15 04:00:45
From: St. Francis <stfranc(a)bright.net>


----------
> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Dyersville and New Vienna
> Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 10:08 AM
> 
> Hello to All, 
> in "Oldenburger Münsterland" wie say also "Moin Moin" at every time. 
> 
> My g-g-g-g-cousin and friend Stephan Honkomp (stmuck(a)aol.com) of
Steinfeld have 
> just published in 
> "JAHRBUCH für das Oldenburger Münsterland 1999" about immigrants in
Deyersville 
> and New Vienna from "Oldenburger Münsterland" particularly of Steinfeld.
> He listed follows names:

> Werner
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp        eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B     Homepage:
http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/
> D-26121 Oldenburg     Genealogie:
http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/

Werner

I got a copy of the Jahrbuch and had seen the article before I had
seen this posting in the Oldenburg List.

I am able to give a little more information concerning those who settled at
New Vienna and Dyersville after they had first been in Minster, Ohio.

ROHENKOHL	Johann Friedrich			* 17.8.1790 Bakum   imm-1832
"		Maria Gertrud RIEMANN	 	* 5.9.1786 Vestrup
"		Johann Friedrich			* 14.6.1817 Vestrup
"		Anna Maria Elisabetha		* 10.8.1820 Vestrup
HELLMANN	Johann Gerhard			* 30.7.1781 Cappeln   imm-1834
"		Maria Elisabetha NEGGERMANN * 9.11.1784 Cappeln
"		Anna Maria Elisabetha		* 26.1.1816 Cappeln
"		Gerhard Heinrich		* 24.9.1817 Cappeln
"		Anna Maria Catharina		* 14.4.1820 Cappeln
"		Maria Angela			* 16.2.1825 Cappeln
Blöcker gnt. FANGMANN   Johann		* 2.7.1790 Steinfeld   imm-1833
"		Anna Maria Fransisca VON SCHEMDE  *2.9.1783 Steinfeld
"		Franz Arnold			* 16.9.1813 Steinfeld
"		Johann Heinrich			* 25.5.1817 Steinfeld
"		Franz Joseph			* 19.5.1820 Stenfeld
"		Maria Catharina			* 24.9.1823 Steinfeld
"		Maria Agnes			* 25.12.1826 Steinfeld
"		Johann Heinrich			* 13.1.1833 Steinfeld
STUKENBORG	Josephina			* 24.2.1818 Steinfeld imm-1834
VASKE		Johann Bernard			* 22.5.1797 Langförden imm-1834
MESCHER	Johann Herman Heinrich Tobias	* 8.6.1785 Dinklage 
"		Anna Catharina Margaretha MIDDENDORF *1.9.1824 Dinklage
WICHMANN	Herman Heinrich		* 15.1.1815 Twistringen
TAUKE		Johann Heinrich			* 21.5.1807 Twistringen  imm-1832
"		Rebecca Maria			* 20.11.1811 Twistringen
DREES		Johann Rickward (Richard)	* 13.10.1818 Garrel   imm-1846
"		Johann Heinrich			* 13.10.1866 Garrel

Several of these did die in Minster.

Father David Hoying

Re: Delmenhorst, Oldenburg?

Date: 1999/02/15 20:50:47
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Anne,
thank you for this date.
At the next visit in the Staatsarchiv I will check this.

Werner
----------------------------------------------------------------
B & A Lehmkuhl schrieb:
> Hello Werner
> Thank you for your help.
> The only date I have for Frederick is a birthdate of 06 September 1822.
> Nothing else.
> I think he was from Delmenhorst because I found a note that said
> Delmenhorst, Oldenburg as his birthplace. I'm not certain that this note is
> right.
> Anne
> Canada
>  
> At 03:18 PM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hello Ann,
> >Jo Lehmkuhl gave me the the family tree of his ancestors. But it is not
> notice 
> >about your Frederick Daniel Christian Lehmkuhl.
> >Jo means, that the Lehmkuhl's origin is Bloherfelde, a part of the town 
> >Oldenburg.
> >Maybe your branch moved to Delmenhorst, why do you mean this? Please send
> me all 
> >dates you have, next time when I visit the Staatsarchiv Oldenburg then I
> will 
> >look the church books.
> >
> >Werner
> >--------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >A & B Lehmkuhl schrieb:
> >> I'm looking for the birth details and parents of Frederick (Friedrich)
> >> Daniel Christian (Christiaan) LEHMKUHL born 1821/2 maybe in Delmenhorst,
> >> Oldenburg. He was not Catholic.
> >> I do not have any other information about him in Germany. He emigrated to
> >> South Africa in 1840s where he got married in 1848.
> >> Any help will be appreciated. Please reply to my email address.
> >> Thanks
> >> Anne Lehmkuhl
> >> Canada
> >>
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Werner Honkomp        eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> >Ziegelhofstr. 35B     Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/
> >D-26121 Oldenburg     Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/
> > 

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Ziegelhofstr. 35B     Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg     Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/


Oldenburg info

Date: 1999/02/17 17:20:51
From: Werner . Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

To Oldenburg list,

You can find the history of the town Oldenburg and others in english:

http://www2.oldenburg.de/ol-stadt/tourist/geschichte.html

Werner

Re: Oldenburg info

Date: 1999/02/17 20:46:53
From: Marilyn Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

Thanks!  I've bookmarked it.

Marilyn

Lueken and Undlueken

Date: 1999/02/19 08:56:27
From: CatMom1 <CatMom1(a)aol.com>

I was looking at marriage bonds today and found a marriage between a Henry
Lueken and Maria Undluecken.  What does the "Und" at the beginning of the name
mean?

Alex Luken
catmom1(a)aol.com

Names

Date: 1999/02/19 10:34:24
From: Elsie Saar <saare(a)sunyulster.edu>

Hello list,
I have been researching my family in southern Germany. My husband is researching in
Oldenburg. The first names he is finding in Oldenburg are quite different than
those in southern Germany where we have Johann Georg, Heinrich, etc. He is finding
Gerd, Cord, Gesche, Ahrend, etc. His ancestors are supposed to be descendents of
the French Hugeunots(?). What may account for the difference in names? Is this
standard for different localities? Influenenses from other countries? Denmark? The
Hugeunots?
Thank you.
--
Elsie

West Hurley, NY (Oct-May)                Austerlitz, NY (June-Sept)
saare(a)sunyulster.edu                              saare(a)taconic.net



Re: Names

Date: 1999/02/19 13:45:30
From: Grant10109 <Grant10109(a)aol.com>

What an odd coincidence.  All of my Dad's side of the house is German - his
grandfather married into a family (in Indiana) from Damme, Oldenberg, whereas
he was from Baden.  We also have a few scattered ones from Wurttemburg and
Bavaria.  On my mother's side we have one back in the 1700's that was
supposedly Huguenot, no proof as yet.  In my Oldenburg line there are lot of
Johann's and Heinrich's, with an Ahrend and Bernard thrown in.  My Baden bunch
have a lot of Herman's, Otto's, Oswald's and Valentin's, and my
greatgrandfather's name was Casimir.  

I agree the naming patterns from north to south do seem to be somewhat
different.

Sharrie

Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/19 15:35:31
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Robert,
maybe you know it.
The Ostendorf book about emigration from Damme listed:

Bauernschaft Ihorst:
Josef Ferneding, Sohn (son) des Kolonen (farm owner) Ferneding, emigr. 1832

Werner
------------------------------------------------------
Robert F. Niehaus schrieb:
> At 05:43 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >On 14 Feb 99, at 15:54, Robert F. Niehaus wrote about Re: Message for R.F.
> Niehaus:
> >
> >Hi,
> >I'm interested in anything on the Dayton Fernedings.
> >
> >Fred
>  Fred,  I will send you what I receive from Fr. David on the fernedinggs in
> Dayton.  I do have a letter form a Dayton Ferneding to Bishop Purcell of
> Cinti. pushing their building a new church.  I will copy this and send it
> to you.   bob

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ziegelhofstr. 35B     Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg     Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/


Re: Lehmkuhl Delmenhorst, Oldenburg?

Date: 1999/02/19 16:00:33
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Ann,
I visited today the Staatsarchiv Oldenburg to find your Frederick.
I searched the church books of the towns Oldenburg, Delmenhorst and some 
villages around Delemenhorst, e.g. Stuhr(most), Hasbergen, Uhlhorn/Hatten and 
Dötlingen.
All of this places lives Lehmkuhls, but your Frederick is not born there.
For more reseach you should check your dates and write to an professional 
genealoge: Mr. Falk Liebezeit, email-addresse: diepholz(a)datenautobahn.de

I'm sorry,
Werner
-------------------------------------------------------
B & A Lehmkuhl schrieb:
> Hello Werner
> Thank you for your help.
> The only date I have for Frederick is a birthdate of 06 September 1822.
> Nothing else.
> I think he was from Delmenhorst because I found a note that said
> Delmenhorst, Oldenburg as his birthplace. I'm not certain that this note is
> right.
> Anne
> Canada
>  
> At 03:18 PM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hello Ann,
> >Jo Lehmkuhl gave me the the family tree of his ancestors. But it is not
> notice 
> >about your Frederick Daniel Christian Lehmkuhl.
> >Jo means, that the Lehmkuhl's origin is Bloherfelde, a part of the town 
> >Oldenburg.
> >Maybe your branch moved to Delmenhorst, why do you mean this? Please send
> me all 
> >dates you have, next time when I visit the Staatsarchiv Oldenburg then I
> will 
> >look the church books.
> >
> >Werner
> >--------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >A & B Lehmkuhl schrieb:
> >> I'm looking for the birth details and parents of Frederick (Friedrich)
> >> Daniel Christian (Christiaan) LEHMKUHL born 1821/2 maybe in Delmenhorst,
> >> Oldenburg. He was not Catholic.
> >> I do not have any other information about him in Germany. He emigrated to
> >> South Africa in 1840s where he got married in 1848.
> >> Any help will be appreciated. Please reply to my email address.
> >> Thanks
> >> Anne Lehmkuhl
> >> Canada
> >>
> >
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Werner Honkomp        eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> >Ziegelhofstr. 35B     Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/
> >D-26121 Oldenburg     Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/
> > 

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Ziegelhofstr. 35B     Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg     Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/


Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/19 23:43:25
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

At 02:56 PM 2/19/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello Robert,
>maybe you know it.
>The Ostendorf book about emigration from Damme listed:
>
>Bauernschaft Ihorst:
>Josef Ferneding, Sohn (son) des Kolonen (farm owner) Ferneding, emigr. 1832
>
>Werner
  

Werner,  Thank you. I did have this information about Joseph Ferneding's
emigration in 1832 from records of his life.  I am completing a paper on
his life in Indiana and Cincinnati, Ohio where he lived as a Catholic
priest, respected for his work as a German pioneer among the German
language immigrants. 

Would the Ostendorf book have a listing for Elisabeth Ferneding's
emigration as a five year old child in 1849, or another, later year, from
Ihorst, and of any adult family members who brought her?

Her father was Johann Heinrich Bernard F., her mother was Catharine Maria
Pille.  Elisabeth was my GGrandmother.  You helped me last year with her
birth/baptism information from Holdorf church records.   Thank you,   Bob 

Re: Names

Date: 1999/02/20 01:12:35
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

Hi Sharrie,

In a message dated 2/19/99 6:45:54 AM Central Standard Time,
Grant10109(a)aol.com writes:

>  All of my Dad's side of the house is German - his
>  grandfather married into a family (in Indiana) from Damme, Oldenberg, 
>  whereas he was from Baden. 

Can you tell us what surnames you have from Damme, and from Oldenburg in
general?

Thanks,
Bryan Kercher

Re: Re: Names

Date: 1999/02/20 02:05:07
From: Grant10109 <Grant10109(a)aol.com>

Bryan -

My surnames in Oldenburg are:  Woebbler/Wobbler; Junker-Schlarman; Macken-Tegs
(?) and Strathman.  Another researcher, Nancy Pundsack, was kind enough to
send me a copy of the Damme records she found at her FHC.  There are other
names also, but offhand can't remember them.  These are the main ones.  A
Wobbler married a Junker-Schlarman, took her name, and they emigrated to US in
1834, ending up in Louisville, Jefferson Co., KY.

Baden Surname:  Kelmel or any variation thereof.  Came from Ettlingen,
Karlsruhe area.  Also have a Meyer from Wurttemburg (per census info), but
have not yet nailed down exactly where, other than John Meyer was born in
1824, married in 1853 in Pennsylvania, moved to Iowa and then Jackson County,
MO.  The Kelmel's emigrated to US in 1854 (2Ggrandfather) and 1857 (wife &
children), wound up in Carr Township, Clark Co., IN.   Have not yet gotten the
FHC film regarding this area, so as of this point no other surnames.

As you can see, have a long way to go yet.

Sharrie 

'Exotic' periodicals ...

Date: 1999/02/20 04:00:29
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello everyone,

Did anyone ever hear about the following genealogical periodicals:
  - Pipost
  - Indiana German Heritage Society Newsletter
  - Tracer
  - German Connection ?

I'd like to get copies of some articles out of them but even their titles  
are unknown to the university library in Oldenburg, Germany. Are there any  
'specialists' or genealogical insiders in this list who could help me?

Thank you.

-- 
-------- (\___/) ----- Wolfgang Pohl ----------------------------
         (o\ /o)
        /|:.V.:|\      wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de
 jgs    \\::::://      wpohl(a)gmx.de
---------`"" ""`-------------------------------------------------

Re: 'Exotic' periodicals ...

Date: 1999/02/20 04:15:43
From: Elsie Saar <saare(a)sunyulster.edu>

Wolfgang,
I think the Allen County Public Library in Indiana is the largest genealogical
library in the country. They may have mail order service. Try their web site:
http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/genealogy/genealogy.html
Good luck,
Elsie

Wolfgang Pohl wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Did anyone ever hear about the following genealogical periodicals:
>   - Pipost
>   - Indiana German Heritage Society Newsletter
>   - Tracer
>   - German Connection ?
>
> I'd like to get copies of some articles out of them but even their titles
> are unknown to the university library in Oldenburg, Germany. Are there any
> 'specialists' or genealogical insiders in this list who could help me?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> -------- (\___/) ----- Wolfgang Pohl ----------------------------
>          (o\ /o)
>         /|:.V.:|\      wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de
>  jgs    \\::::://      wpohl(a)gmx.de
> ---------`"" ""`-------------------------------------------------

--
Elsie

West Hurley, NY (Oct-May)                Austerlitz, NY (June-Sept)
saare(a)sunyulster.edu                              saare(a)taconic.net



Re: 'Exotic' periodicals ...

Date: 1999/02/20 05:46:14
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 2/19/99 9:16:15 PM Central Standard Time,
saare(a)sunyulster.edu writes:

> Wolfgang,
>  I think the Allen County Public Library in Indiana is the largest 
>  genealogical library in the country. 

Outside of Utah and Texas ;-)

I have the German Connection from 1987 through 1997.  What can I get for you?

Bryan Kercher

Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/20 18:23:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Robert,

I found this:

Gemeinde Holdorf /Bauerschaft Holdorf:

Elisabeth Ferneding, Dienstmagd emigrated 1849

Familie Witwe Heinrich Niehues, 3 männliche, 3 weibliche Personen, dabei 1 Kind 
unter 15 und 4 über -- 2 Mädchen als Dienstmägde -- 2 Personen sind nach Holland
emigrated 1849

An other (new) source (http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/baltimore.htm) listed:

Ferneding Bernd 49, Anna 50, Elisabeth 19, Caspar 16
ship: BALTIMORE, from Bremen to Baltimore, arrival July 18. 1869

Werner
--------------------------------------
Robert F. Niehaus schrieb:
> At 02:56 PM 2/19/99 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hello Robert,
> >maybe you know it.
> >The Ostendorf book about emigration from Damme listed:
> >
> >Bauernschaft Ihorst:
> >Josef Ferneding, Sohn (son) des Kolonen (farm owner) Ferneding, emigr. 1832
> >
> >Werner
>   
>
> Werner,  Thank you. I did have this information about Joseph Ferneding's
> emigration in 1832 from records of his life.  I am completing a paper on
> his life in Indiana and Cincinnati, Ohio where he lived as a Catholic
> priest, respected for his work as a German pioneer among the German
> language immigrants. 
>
> Would the Ostendorf book have a listing for Elisabeth Ferneding's
> emigration as a five year old child in 1849, or another, later year, from
> Ihorst, and of any adult family members who brought her?
>
> Her father was Johann Heinrich Bernard F., her mother was Catharine Maria
> Pille.  Elisabeth was my GGrandmother.  You helped me last year with her
> birth/baptism information from Holdorf church records.   Thank you,   Bob 

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Re: SHIP PASSENGER SITE

Date: 1999/02/20 18:24:41
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Thank you Sunset!

Werner
------------------------------------
Sunset Hayes schrieb:
> Greetings all...
>
> I ran across a GREAT site with an enormous amount of Ship Passenger
> lists and I thought I'd pass it along.  There are several ships listed
> from Bremen,Bremenhaven and Hamburg (it also covers many other countries
> as well). For example, some of the ships from Germany are:
>
> ** List or Manifest of all the Passengers taken on board the Bremen 
>    Bark Atlantic (10th June 1862) whereof J. Feldman is master, from
>    Bremen (blank) burthen.
>            http://istg.rootsweb.com/1800/atlantic620610.html
>
> ** Bark Edmund
>    http://istg.rootsweb.com/1800/edmund541103.html
>    From Bremen to New Orleans, November 1854 
>
> To go to the main site and search by surname, it's:
>
>            http://istg.rootsweb.com/index1.html
>
> Happy Hunting, and I hope some of you find your ship info!!
>
>                     -=*> Sunset <*=-
>                     Sunset(a)Royal.Net

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Re: 'Exotic' periodicals ...

Date: 1999/02/21 03:15:53
From: JANSGEN <JANSGEN(a)aol.com>

Wolfgang,
The Cincinnati Genealogical Society has a newsletter called the "Tracer".
Could this be what you're looking for? 
Janet in Ohio

Re: 'Exotic' periodicals ...

Date: 1999/02/21 04:56:54
From: Dennis Haskamp <haskamp(a)fuse.net>

Hello,

The "Tracer" is the name of the monthly magazine of the Hamilton County
Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society. Its address is
http://members.aol.com/ogshc/index.htm

They have a very good query section, and excellent archives.

Hope this helps

Dennis Haskamp
Cincinnati, Ohio,USA

Wolfgang Pohl wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Did anyone ever hear about the following genealogical periodicals:
>   - Pipost
>   - Indiana German Heritage Society Newsletter
>   - Tracer
>   - German Connection ?
>
> I'd like to get copies of some articles out of them but even their titles
> are unknown to the university library in Oldenburg, Germany. Are there any
> 'specialists' or genealogical insiders in this list who could help me?
>
> Thank you.
>
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Hannover and Oldenburg

Date: 1999/02/21 07:21:40
From: Nancy L. Hittepole <abbysplace(a)worldnet.att.net>

GGGGGrandparents susposedly immigrated from Hannover and Oldenburg:

Ernest Henry Hudepohl/Hiedepohl, 26, b about 1806, d 26 Sep 1842.
Margaretha Mary/Maria Niemann, 28, b about 1804, d 10 Jul 1843.

Departed Bremen ?? and arrived in Baltimore on 10 Sep 1833.

Moved to Ohio, Auglaize County around 1835, may have worked in 
Cincinnati for their sponsor who in turned gave them land and supplies 
to settle in this area.  Settled with families from Ladbergen.  Mary's 
family may have followed shortly.

Both surnames could have numerous spellings.

Thanks,

Nancy

Re: Lehmkuhl Delmenhorst, Oldenburg?

Date: 1999/02/21 07:25:36
From: B & A Lehmkuhl <lkool(a)citytel.net>

At 02:56 PM 2/19/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hello Ann,
>I visited today the Staatsarchiv Oldenburg to find your Frederick.
>I searched the church books of the towns Oldenburg, Delmenhorst and some 
>villages around Delemenhorst, e.g. Stuhr(most), Hasbergen, Uhlhorn/Hatten
and 
>Dötlingen.
>All of this places lives Lehmkuhls, but your Frederick is not born there.
>For more reseach you should check your dates and write to an professional 
>genealoge: Mr. Falk Liebezeit, email-addresse: diepholz(a)datenautobahn.de
>I'm sorry,
>Werner
>-------------------------------------------------------
Thank you Werner for looking for my elusive Frederick. I'll have to see if
I can find better clues somewhere else.
Anne Lehmkuhl


Herrlichkeit Dinklage Homeland Club

Date: 1999/02/21 12:37:08
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

http://www.datenautobahn.de/dinklage-hv/indexe.htm
Title: Herrlichkeit Dinklage Homeland Club


Herrlichkeit Dinklage Homeland Club

Founded in 1934

Deutsche Fassung


The development of the present-day city of Dinklage, in Northwest Lower Saxony, began with the foundation of the Castle Dinklage. The name of the city is derived from the Counts who had jurisdiction over the castle. The name, Dinklage, originates from the word "Thing" which meant "Court-Place". The spelling has undergone many changes, from "Thinclage" to a reference to "Dynclage" in the year 1231. Dinklage (Land Map 488K) is part of the Oldenburger Munsterland. Dinklage can be reached by using Highway A1.

 

It offers many recreational facilities, including 72 kilometers of footpaths amid diversified parkland and unspoiled wooded areas. The 500 hectare Castle Forest (Burgwald) features an ancient forest of gnarled oak trees where one can observe native game animals in a natural setting.

Activities of the Heimatverein

Landscape Care and City Beautification

Preservation of the tradition and customs associated with Low German speech

Field trips to surrounding areas

Family history research - this group meets on the first Tuesday of each month in the old railway station

Biannual publication of the journal UTKIEK

Care and maintenance of the old Schweger Mühle (a wind powered grain mill)

Maintenance of a homeland library

Radwandergruppe (bicycling activities)


Membership in the Heimatverein (HV)

Leadership of the Heimatverein


Martin.Glandorf(a)t-online.de

Copyright © 1997

English Translation by John Ostendorf, Vincennes, Indiana, USA

jostendorf(a)indian.vinu.edu

Last change: 5/18/98

Re: Cincinnati Genealogical Soc.

Date: 1999/02/21 20:44:07
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

I believe that's the Hamilton County branch of the Ohio Genealogical Society
that has The Tracer. They have a web site.
Nancy

Re: Herrlichkeit Dinklage Homeland Club

Date: 1999/02/21 22:02:51
From: GermDfish <GermDfish(a)aol.com>

Joann,
   
Check this sight out as I found a Wilberding.
                         Patti

HUDEPOHL/HIEDEPOHL and NEIMANN

Date: 1999/02/22 02:43:25
From: Nancy L. Hittepole <abbysplace(a)worldnet.att.net>

Corrections to previous message.

GGGGGrandparents supposedly immigrated from Hannover area and Oldenburg:

Ernst Henry HUDEPOHL/HIEDEPOHL, 26, b about 1806, d 26 Sep 1842.
Margaretha Mary/Maria NIEMANN, 28, b about 1804, d 10 Jul 1843.

Departed Bremen ?? on ship Phoenix and arrived in Baltimore on 10 Sep 
1833.

Moved to Ohio, Auglaize County around 1835, may have worked in
Cincinnati for their sponsor who in turned gave them land and supplies
to settle in this area.  Settled with families from Ladbergen.  Mary's
family may have followed shortly.

Both surnames could have numerous spellings.

Thanks,

Nancy

Re: 'Exotic' periodicals ...

Date: 1999/02/22 04:00:32
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello Janet,

> The Cincinnati Genealogical Society has a newsletter called the "Tracer".
> Could this be what you're looking for?

Quite right. In the meantime I found a way how to obtain copies of  
articles in the PERSI (=Periodical Source) index.

Wolfgang

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Re: 'Exotic' periodicals ...

Date: 1999/02/22 04:00:32
From: Wolfgang Pohl <wolfgang.pohl(a)nwn.de>

Hello Elsie,

> I think the Allen County Public Library in Indiana is the largest
> genealogical library in the country. They may have mail order service. Try
> their web site: http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/genealogy/genealogy.html

Yes, they do offer this kind of service (up to 6 articles at a time). If  
any other member of this list is interested in how to obtain copies of  
articles in the PERSI index, this is the URL you can get an order form  
from:
http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/database/graphics/order_form.html

Thank you, Elsie, for your tip!

Wolfgang

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Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/23 08:10:26
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 19 Feb 99, at 14:56, Werner Honkomp wrote about Re:  Message for R.F. Niehaus:

> > >Fred
> >  Fred,  I will send you what I receive from Fr. David on the fernedinggs
> >  in
> > Dayton.  I do have a letter form a Dayton Ferneding to Bishop Purcell of
> > Cinti. pushing their building a new church.  I will copy this and send
> > it to you.   bob

I guess Bob Niehaus wrote this. Been away for a week. This letter 
would be very interesting as I know all about that church and spent 
some time there last summer. It was Ferneding and his buddy 
Barlow (Barlage) who went to see the bishop to get permission to 
build this church over the objections of others in the Church. When 
they offered to pick up any potential debt should the church fail, the 
bishop went along with them. 

Where in the world did you find this letter?

Fred

 

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Re: Message for R.F. Niehaus

Date: 1999/02/23 21:25:58
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

At 02:04 AM 2/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
>On 19 Feb 99, at 14:56, Werner Honkomp wrote about Re:  Message for R.F.
Niehaus:
>
>> > >Fred
>> >  Fred,  I will send you what I receive from Fr. David on the fernedinggs
>> >  in
>> > Dayton.  I do have a letter form a Dayton Ferneding to Bishop Purcell of
>> > Cinti. pushing their building a new church.  I will copy this and send
>> > it to you.   bob
>
>I guess Bob Niehaus wrote this. Been away for a week. This letter 
>would be very interesting as I know all about that church and spent 
>some time there last summer. It was Ferneding and his buddy 
>Barlow (Barlage) who went to see the bishop to get permission to 
>build this church over the objections of others in the Church. When 
>they offered to pick up any potential debt should the church fail, the 
>bishop went along with them. 
>
>Where in the world did you find this letter?
>
>Fred
  Fred,

In my research for Joseph Ferneding I obtained a copy of this letter from
Dayton to Archbishop Purcell requesting permission to build a new parish
church in Dayton.  One of the petitioners is H(?) Ferneding.  I will mail
to your Florida address unless you tell me not to.           regards,   Bob

Holdorf Book

Date: 1999/02/23 21:35:36
From: Moser, Donald <dmoser(a)fpmail.stlcc.cc.mo.us>

Does anyone know if the book Holdorf:  1188-1988 has been translated into English in whole or in part?  Many thanks.

Elaine Volkerding Moser
dmoser(a)fpmail.stlcc.cc.mo.us

Re: Holdorf Book

Date: 1999/02/24 05:27:03
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 23 Feb 99, at 14:33, Moser, Donald wrote about Holdorf Book:

> Does anyone know if the book Holdorf: 1188-1988 has been >translated into English in whole or in part? Many thanks.


Such books are never translated as there would be no market. Like why would any local American history be translated into another language when the authors are probably having a tough time selling the original.

Fred


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Re: Holdorf Book

Date: 1999/02/24 12:24:12
From: Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers(a)Mankato.MSUS.EDU>

How can I order a copy of the Holdorf book?  From whom and at what 
price?  Many thanks for this information.
Suzanne Bunkers



Re: Holdorf Book

Date: 1999/02/24 20:09:41
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 24 Feb 99, at 5:21, Suzanne Bunkers wrote about Re: Holdorf Book:

> How can I order a copy of the Holdorf book?  From whom and at what 
> price?  Many thanks for this information.
> Suzanne Bunkers

Which Holdorf book? Did I miss something? 

I just ordered the Emsteck book which someone told us about on 
this list from the Stern Verlag. Very nice people to deal with and 
they seem to be able to find anything that's available anywhere for 
me. See below.
Fred

Send reply to:  	"Webmaster" <webmaster(a)buchhaus-
sternverlag.de>
From:           	info(a)buchhaus-sternverlag.de (Buchhaus-
Sternverlag Info)
To:             	<fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
Subject:        	Bestellung
Date sent:      	Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:57:00 +0100

Sehr geehrter Herr Rump,
vielen Dank fuer Ihre Bestellung. Leider kann ich den 
Titel in keiner unserer Bibliographien ermitteln. Ich 
werde daher versuchen, das Buch direkt im 
Museumsdorf bestellen. Lieferzeit etwa 14 Tage. 
Sobald es eintrifft, werde ich es nach Florida senden. 
Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Andrea Richelmann

BUCHHAUS STERN-VERLAG JANSSEN & CO
Friedrichstr. 24-26, D-40001 Duesseldorf

Fon 0049-211-3881-215
Fax 0049-211-3881-200
 


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Re: Holdorf Book

Date: 1999/02/25 20:12:53
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

At 05:21 AM 2/24/99 -0600, you wrote:
>How can I order a copy of the Holdorf book?  From whom and at what 
>price?  Many thanks for this information.
>Suzanne Bunkers

Suzanne et al,

I found a copy of <Gemeindechronik Holdorf 1188-1988> at the Public Library
of Cincinnati in the History & Genealogy Dept.  I had copied the pages I
needed on my Ferneding ancestors.  I then spent parts of a beautiful
vacation last July at Lake Tahoe, California, teaching myself enough German
to translate the portion I have.

The title page cites: Herausgeber (Publisher):  Gemeinde (Community) Holdorf
                Druck (Printer): Vechtaer Druckerei und Verlag GmbH & Co.,
Vechta             
                ISBN   3-388441-032-6          
                
I would try a large Public Library like Cincinnati, or write to the town of
Holdrof or to the printer.  Bob

Holdorf Book

Date: 1999/02/25 20:34:40
From: Moser, Donald <dmoser(a)fpmail.stlcc.cc.mo.us>



To order the book Holdorf 1188-1988 , send $40.00 to:

Gemeinde Holdorf
Landessparkasse zu Oldenburg
Geschaftsstelle Holdorf
Konto Nr. 071-310  106  (BLZ 280 501 00)
GERMANY

The book is a collection of essays (in German) about Holdorf past and present, and it is 800+ pages long.

Is anyone working on the Volkerding family from Holdorf?

Elaine Volkerding Moser

Holdorf - Buch

Date: 1999/02/25 21:04:15
From: Addick.Koopmann <Addick.Koopmann(a)GMX.de>

Someone asked for the book of Holdorf:
 
Here are some facts to order the book
 
Title:                  Gemeindechronik Holdorf 1188-1988
ISBN                  3-88441-032-6 
Printed works:    Vechtaer Druckerei und Verlag GmbH & Co
                         Gutenbergstrasse 4
                         49377 Vechta    Germany
 
Telefon:              +49 4441 84004
 
Publisher:            Gemeinde Holdorf
                          Grosse Str. 19
                          49451  Holdorf   Germany
 
Telefon:                +49 5494 9850
Fax:                     +49 5494 98599
--------------------------
 
Addick Koopmann
 
          

Dinklage

Date: 1999/02/26 16:43:58
From: Moser, Donald <dmoser(a)fpmail.stlcc.cc.mo.us>

Does anyone know if there is a book on Dinklage similar to the
GEMEINDECHRONIK HOLDORF 1188-1988?
Many thanks.

Elaine Volkerding Moser


Re: Dinklage

Date: 1999/02/26 20:36:42
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

Yes, there is a book on Dinklage. It is by Clemens Heitmann and called
Dinklager Familien. On the copy of the front cover which I have it says:  1.
Band   Dinklage 1977. That's all I have so I don't know how many volumes there
are or where to get it. Part of it is in the Stearns County Minnesota Heritage
Center (which has a web site). The index is there. I found that not all of my
family members got listed in the book. It is in German but very easy to
follow.
Nancy Pundsack