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Re: [HN] Hueffed Family Surname

Date: 2007/02/01 00:59:46
From: Merrickwagner <Merrickwagner(a)cs.com>

Hi,
  Here are all the Huffeds that are listed in the Cleveland Necrology file:   


Records: 1 - 6      
    
    Id#: 0555448
Name: Hueffed, Perce G.
Date: Jan 14 1975
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #119.
Notes: Hueffed. Perce G. Hueffed, beloved husband of Margaret (Koelling), 
dear father of Theodor K. of Beimont, Calif., Robert G. of Rye, N.Y. and Mary 
Ellen, grandfather of 10, and great-grandfather of one, brother of the late Fred. 
Funeral Mass Wednesday, Jan. 15, at St. Angela Church, 20970 Lorain Ave., at 
11 A.M. Family will receive friends at Corrigan Funeral Home, Lorain Ave. At 
West 208th St., Fairview Park, Tuesday 3-5 And 7-9 P.M.
    
    Id#: 0555447
Name: Hueffed, Bessie
Date: Mar 29 1973
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #119.
Notes: Hueffed. Bessie Hueffed, dear mother of Virginia L., Homer C., Mrs. 
William Hains (Margaret), aunt of J. Lewis Vermilye, Phyilis Waldo and other 
nieces and nephews and grandmother. Funeral services 1 p.m. Thursday, March 29, 
Zeis Funeral Home, 16105 Detroit Ave. Interment Elmwood Cemetery, Lorain.
    
    Id#: 0156675
Name: Hueffed, George E.
Date: Apr 7 1940
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #040.
Notes: Hueffed: George E., beloved brother of Alice Smith, uncle of Clem 
Wagner and Pere G. Hueffed, passed away Thursday, April 4. Friends may call at the 
Flynn-Froelk Co. Funeral Home, 13104 Euclid ave. Funeral Monday, April 8. 
from St. Joseph's Church, E. 144 and St. Clair ave., at 9 a. m.
    
    Id#: 0156674
Name: Hueffed, Fred H.
Date: October 26, 1924
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #040.
Notes: Hueffed-Fred H., aged 30 years, dearly beloved son of Mrs. J. C. 
Dreiling, brother of Perce G. Hueffed, passed away peacefully Sunday midnight. 
Funeral Wednesday, Oct. 29, from late residence, 2137 Eldred avenue, Lakewood, at 
8:30 a. m. Services at St. Clement's church at 9 a. m.
    
    Id#: 0156673
Name: Hueffed, Fred E.
Date: October 24, 1912
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #040.
Notes: Hueffed-Fred E., beloved husband of Hattie Hueffed (nee Schmees), at 
his residence, 3167 W. 71st-st. Funeral from late residence 8 a. m., Oct. 25. 
Servies at St. Stephens' church, 8:30 a. m. Friends invited.
    
    Id#: 0156672
Name: Hueffed, Catherine
Date: Jan 6 1929
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #040.
Notes: Hueffed-Catherine, beloved mother of George E. and Alice Wagner Smith, 
grandmother of Clem A. Wagner and Perce G. Hueffed, Saturday, Jan. 5, at late 
residence, 14119 Castalia. Avenue, Funeral Tuesday, Jan. 8, from residence at 
8:30 a. m. Services at St. Joseph's Church, St. Clair Avenue and E. 144th 
Street, 9 a. m. Member L. C. B. A. No. 472.
    
    
 Perhaps the Fred H. listed is Frederick Heinrich?????

Hope it helps!!

                                                   Rick Wagner
    

[HN] Ft. Wayne Library

Date: 2007/02/01 01:21:00
From: Gail Schrader <gscout1912(a)mindspring.com>

To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site:  Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago.
Relatives all settled in Minnesota.  I think I will only have time to visit one site.

Gail

Re: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library

Date: 2007/02/01 02:58:03
From: Hueffed, Henry <henry.hueffed(a)seattlechildrens.org>

Ft Wayne seems to be the place top go from what I have heard 

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Subject: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library

To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from
the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site:  Ft.
Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago.
Relatives all settled in Minnesota.  I think I will only have time to
visit one site.

Gail
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Re: [HN] Hueffed Family Surname

Date: 2007/02/01 03:37:25
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi:

I scanned this thread and did not read it completely, but I saw no reference to the umlaut, which I believe would have been in the name Hueffeld=Hüffeld. When searching German web sites, I do not find my surname, unless I use the unlaut.

Gale

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:05:01 -0700
 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Hello,

That is a rather unusual name and one that probably is often misspelled. I have done some research in Hannover (kingdom), but haven't yet found that family there. The German phonebook has no such listing. I would suggest that you look at some of the materials that are available for those who lived in the USA. The census lists mostly refers to Lorain County, Ohio and the town of Amherst. The 1900 census is the best one for finding the year of immigration. There is an Elizabeth there, but is probably married with that name. There it says she immigrated in in 1860. She is in the 1880 census with husband John Hueffeld (age 49) who came from Hannover.

There is also a Henry Hueffed in the 1880 census who was born in Hannover (yes, that would include the whole kingdom, not just the city).

The problem with census records and church records is that words are often misspelled and you have to guess all the variations! I would suggest that you look at the genealogy pages in Ohio, most specifically the county. There are people who will look up things for you. Here is an Lorain county
website to order birth and death records:
http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/pub.htm
Death records can  be very helpful.

Here is the website of Lorain County - contact those people there who may
be able to help you. http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/

Good luck to you!
Barbara








Hello, I discovered that the core of the Hueffed family to be from
Cleveland, Ohio but I have never met any of them. I am just trying to find out the origin of the name Hueffed and the original German spelling if anyone knows. Most of the early Hueffed family immigrants identify "Hannover" as their birthplace prior to 1900. I assume then that the Hueffed family is originally from the Kingdom of Hannover?

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Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened

Date: 2007/02/01 04:47:12
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Understandable some might wonder the what and why of such a post, especially from the German side. But as Loretta noted, the ACPL [Allen County Public Library |aka| Fort Wayne City Library] is indeed a monster of a genealogical library, rivaled in the U.S. only by the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. The ACPL even surpasses the genealogy division of the Newberry Library in Chicago, and those of the New York and Los Angeles public libraries. It also boasts the largest collection of English-language family and local history periodicals in the world - more than 5100 current subscriptions and nearly 10,000 total titles. It subscribes to countless foreign periodicals, many emanating from Germany.

Like the FHL in SLC, you could get lost in it for days and never stop discovering things, both American and European based. The restructuring took a number of years to complete, and any American involved in family history pursuits for a reasonable amount of time has been aware of this development.

The ACPL was actually cited a few months back on H-L, with the death of genealogist Ryan Taylor.

Jb

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From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Re: [HN] Death of Genealogist Ryan Taylor
Date: Thur, 5 Oct 2006 22:34:38

A sad loss indeed. Along with Curt Witcher and staff, Ryan helped make the ACPL in Fort Wayne one of the foremost genealogical research facilities in the U.S. - and the world.

A bit more on the newsfront ::

A Tribute To Ryan Taylor
By Dave Obee
http://www.daveobee.com/columns/06ryan.htm

Dick Eastman Genealogy Newsletter - In Memoriam: Ryan Taylor
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/09/genealogy_commu.html

Jb

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From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <krumbar(a)comcast.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Death of Genealogist Ryan Taylor
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:56:12 -0400

See the details at

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15676166.htm

This link won't last forever. Like maybe noon tomorrow.

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From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <krumbar(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:24:23 -0500

The Allen County Public Library contains the largest publicly owned
genealogical collection in the United States -- some say in the world. Its
contributions to research have a world-wide impact. I'm sorry if you were
offended Reinhard, but many people on this list live in the U.S., and many
travel to Fort Wayne, Indiana for research in documents that indeed come
from Lower Saxony. The availability of their materials has been somewhat
abbreviated over the last four years while the library was rebuilt, and it
is all now open again.

Loretta
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Videos: http://krumbar.neptune.com
Families: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~loretta/

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From: "Reinhard J. Freytag" <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened

Guten Tag,

kann mir jemand bitteschön erklären, was der Inhalt d.u.
eingestellten Beitrages in diesem Forum mit
Familienforschung in Niedersachsen zu tun hat, abgesehen von
der unfreundlichen Art, weder eine Anrede und noch nicht
einmal einen Absender aufzuführen?

Good day, can someone explain to me please please, to specify what contents
have to do d.u. adjusted contribution in this forum with family research in
Lower Saxony, apart from the unfriendly kind, neither an address and not
even a sender?

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Re: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library

Date: 2007/02/01 06:11:56
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Gail Schrader <gscout1912(a)mindspring.com> wrote:

To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site: Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago. Relatives all settled in Minnesota. I think I will only have time to visit one site.

They are two different beasts. The NARA archives deal predominantly with Federal holdings from the different branches of the Federal government (not exclusively mind you, but for the most part). Some of the records that now comprise 'Federal holdings' were once state possessions, so the lines are blurred at times in a few areas (but one example: some court and naturalization records once part of district, county or local courts have been consolidated through the years under Federal directives - but only a portion of these types overall have qualified).
NARA Chicago: http://www.archives.gov/great-lakes

If you can't discover some interesting things at NARA, you didn't prepare sufficiently. Plow through their online catalog for desired record resources. Their main genealogical record types spin around these main groupings:

- Census Records
- Military Records
- Immigration Records and Ship Passenger Lists
- Naturalization Records
- Land Records
- Court Records

The ACPL in Fort Wayne on the other hand runs the whole gamut of resources A through Z, something more resembling the 'all-in-wonder' FHL collection in Salt Lake City, only a bit reduced.
ACPL: http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/genealogy/index.html

Throw in the Newberry Library while you're at it -- but another wonderful family history collection in the heart of the Windy City.
Newberry Library: http://www.newberry.org/genealogy/collections.html

Then you have the State Archives of each particular state, followed by the local (county) archive and clerk/recorder offices. It ALL adds up, each claiming record domains all their own.
Minnesota State Archive: http://www.mnhs.org/genealogy/index.htm

You're probably fortunate you only have time to do one. Each deserves sufficient attention unto itself! You won't regret any choice you make, if you head in prepared.


Henry Hueffed <henry.hueffed(a)seattlechildrens.org> wrote:

Ft Wayne seems to be the place top go from what I have heard.

You heard correct too. Been to them all and outside of the SLC FHL and the National Archives in Washington, it's the next best place to get lost in (but for heaven's sake, you need to do your homework first before you enter to maximize results!). It's both a madhouse and maze of delight for the fortunate mice found within.

Jb

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From: "Gail Schrader" <gscout1912(a)mindspring.com>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:20:29 -0500

To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site:
Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago.
Relatives all settled in Minnesota. I think I will only have time to visit one site.

Gail

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[HN] thanks list

Date: 2007/02/01 06:54:47
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>


  Thanks for help.

  I have decided that the 1870 census for jackson county holds my
  meyer....listed as fritz maier. I am not sure why he did not stay in
  Galena Illnois. Perhaps some of the others moved with him. Perhaps to
  clinto county. Lots of Fehrings there and some related to Fehrings
  moved to jackson county.  so more research.

  I have not let go of the hunch some people from dahlenburg and
  tosterglope area as well as bleckede and gohrde area could be at
  Houston, Mn. Those of Grosss Thondorf....... Perhaps something will
  turn up with Information that will give me a lead. I  will check into
  something sooner or later.Just wanted you to know as I wander off
  searching a bit. Especially imigration lists and  census, cemeteries,,
  birth and death records. I am going to try hard to find more relatives
  at Aida.  Juergen hch. wilhelm has not been found there yet. he
  arrived april 8, 1884 to new york.

  About the steve morse site. It is very good site. really. awhile back
  i wrote him about my problem that there were errors in Bark Victoria
  1892 Passenger list . Somehow he was able to give me the real one. I
  have since used castle gardens and ellis island.  And one never knows
  how the name will be spelled or interpreted. Four different ways of
  Meyer for my Fred in census.

  I may find  some saucke or schroeder there and michel. I know some
  lived at plainview or plainfield by wabasha

  jo

  >Hi Jo,The National Archives have all the arriving vessels on
  microfilm.?
  >About the Steve Morse website, definitely give it a try.? I searched
  for
  >about 15 years with no luck finding my? great-grandparents entry into
  the
  >US.? I had tried thethis news letter some one said you can see the
  >information in archives. is that free or does one have to give  money
  first.
  >How do you access archives?thanksjo meyer
  >.myway.com
  >
  >>Message: 6>P.S. Joe, there is a Jurgen Meyer in the index listed for
  Houston County
  >which iwhere Eitzen is located.   Only data listed is death date
  >however...but perhaps if actual certificate is ordered it may give
  burial
  >location..funeral home??   Maybe searching lateral Meyer's of the
  area give
  >further data on this site.
  >
  >Barbie-Lew>>
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Re: [HN] Liste mitglied

Date: 2007/02/01 11:08:15
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Peter I didn't forgot you. Seeing that your Ahnentafel is now comprised of 1100+ persons, to include 12 sets of forebears in Germany, I'd say you have your work cut out for you filling in dates and places. Your genealogical efforts to date prove you are well versed in this pasttime, and should have no problem fitting in on the list. But old hand or new, there is always something new to be found -- and learned.

As for the direction of your quest, I'm not sure we're equipped to help directly with your rather sizable Ahnentafel, but we can certainly be of assistance in plenty of indirect ways [assuming we agree that the Lord helps those who help themselves]. If you haven't gathered as much so far, this list is basically a bilingual sounding board for those interested in furthering their Hannoverian-based family trees. The means by which this is accomplished is as varied and numerous as the list membership itself, and since there is no magic bullet to genealogical success (short of patience, effort and a fair sprinkling of pain), it often takes the contributions of the collective to help stitch together the pieces of the research puzzle. The farther we move from our own shores and onto foreign ground, the more this is felt.

If nothing else, Hannover-L is a learning center where tips, techniques and suggestions are distributed freely, and with a modicum of effort, applied on a personal level. These "tools" and tips come both from the Anglo and German side of the lake. But a few basics are always worth mentioning right off. For starters, one simply MUST do as much homework as possible on the "English" (= non-German) side as possible, to maximize successful returns from the German end. This includes background research on the ancestral line(s) in question - the more methodical the better - and the tapping of as many available resources on this side as possible.

The LDS FHC online catalog is a great starting point; however the COMPLETE cataloging found at the FHC centers themselves is better suited for deeper explorations. Many Lower Saxony based records have been microfilmed over the years and are now part of the LDS organization's massive film and fiche collection. Understandably, substantial gaps in these holdings exist, and some regions (and record types) are better covered than others. Only way to find out how it might apply to yours is to dig in and take an in depth look for yourself.

From the German side you have various archives, both church and civil, that
can be tapped, either by visiting in person or via correspondence. The latter approach is generally slow though, due to those institutions' resources being tapped to the max. The Germans also have rather strict privacy laws in place, something ironically they're looking more and more to loosen up a bit while we - as Americans at least, in the "land of the free" <g> - continue to ramp ours up. I live in the state that once led the way in open record access, but now leads it in draconian like encroachments, all thanks to a handful of criminal twits who we must all be "protected" from at this late point. In any case, suffice to say that LDS has done a commendable job in filming as many records as they can from the German end, and only a fool would pester our Germans cousins before fully exploring what LDS has in its holdings stateside.

The other obvious angle of attack is per the enlistment of a professional researcher, but most of this won't come cheap (good things rarely do though). Naturally this comes down to what funds you have available to expend versus how much you feel you can - or prefer to - accomplish on your own. There is no "one shoe fits all" solution here - to each their own. I can say in a rather generic way that the average Yank might stand a slightly better chance of walking into a local city or county or even state archive and finding open access to most of the repository's holdings than say the average German in their country, but again, that's using a broad brush.

In Germany, noting that many exceptions will and do occur, more tend to rely on professional researches to do these sort of things, simply because the records are often scattered all over the place and the pros are best versed at knowing where to look, and interpreting properly what they find. The aforementioned privacy laws are not always easy to work around either, and it goes without saying, well credentialed pros are better suited to interact with the local archivists. But that said, both German citizens and visiting foreigners are allowed access to most archival collections and repositories there, only the thought of asking Herr or Frau Schmidt to run down to the local church or city archive "to have a quick peek" isn't as common a scenario or feat as we sometimes might expect to see in the States.

We also have an ever-expanding list archive that can be quite helpful when searched wisely. Simply employ the appropriate search terms, frame it by dates if desired, and away you go. Everything that gets posted gets archived permanently (so be careful what you blurt forth lol), and this will no doubt be a boon to future members of the list who tap it, assuming GenNet doesn't pack it up and call it quits at some point. [Not to worry there though, those sucking sounds you sometimes hear are the vacuums owned by Ancestry.com that never miss a morsel or opportunity to expand]

Our list administrator is the low key but very capable Juergen Drees from Braunschweig, known for his judicious use of the spray bottle to keep the list server cool and burp free. Fred Rump (alias the Rumpster, Big Daddy, Curmudgeon in Chief, the Mad Motörhead, the Jersey City Bomber <invent your own and add freely>) is the patriarch of the list, who not only visits on occasion to make sure we minions are remaining active and accounted for, but put H-L on the map to begin with -- in more ways than one. He also was instrumental in creating a number of other German GenNet lists, and remains the List Papa in both spirit and deed. When he's not preoccupied traveling the country (often spotted near Disney World on, uh hum, bald tires), he'll stop in to speak his mind, then disappear like a shadow in the night. Not to worry though, his more recent alusiveness is certainly compensated by his astute and insightful contributions as evidenced in the list archive.

If one of the various Barbara's on the list spot something interesting, they're sure to post it - keep your eyes peeled there. I could name all kinds of helpful folks, on both sides of the pond, but in reality, the list would be too long. Even those with just occasional chip-ins often cast pearls. We also have a number of professional researchers, historians, old hands and even a writer or two as members, and this from areas all over the globe. I think it is fair to say that those who derive the most from a forum like this are those who came for the long haul, and not a quick fix.

As on every list, things can sometimes get a bit redundant, other times ho-hum quiet, and now and then controversies arise like we witness in every other facet of our lives, but over the long run - assuming you can manage to grin and bear it - you WILL learn a lot. The collective inputs, the ebb and flow of ideas and research approaches, the spirit of the "Kuhdorf" as one lister so wistfully termed it, guarantees as much. You only have to speak up or inquire, and who knows what may follow.

Speaking of the Kuhdorf, I was digging through the archives in some uncharted areas recently and unearthed this private rumination like between Karl and Hans. Amazing what you can find between the cracks when you dig deep enough.

K: Wish more of the Americans could speak Deutsch .. would even things up a bit in our little Kuhdorf.
H: Well at least we are improving our English, I mean, don't you think so?
K: Ja vielleicht. Only I fear we are learning mostly American Mischmasch, you know, the stuff some call 'Polyglotten Sprache'. When I try to follow JB's spiels, I find myself reaching for the aspirin bottle. H: Yes yes, I know what you mean. That's why I'm putting my faith in Rena these days. They say she speaks Oxfordian so that should help me thinks. I sure hope she isn't Cornwallian Welsh or we're sunk. K: They say there's a lot of Saxon cast-offs in Liverpool... you don't think ...
H: No chance!
K: Ok that's good to know. Yeah I hear she's some kind of royalty, true blue as the Yanks say.
H: The King's Legion kind at least. Possibly more...
K: ah.. there may be hope.

<snip>

Ok enough. Hope that provides a satisfactory overview. It's Ultimate Fighter time for yours truly. Someone's gonna get themselves black and blue MMA style, I can feel it. Yeehaw. ;)

Jb

PS. Since you stated earlier that your forefather Johann Redeke was born in Diepholz in 1840, you might want to tap Falk Lebezeit - Mitglied auch - who is a professional researcher out of that same city, and a very capable one at that. He might well give you a few insights and maybe a touch of consultancy, assuming you're willing to make it worth his time. The pros on the list, while very helpful with their varied contributions, also have livings to make doing these tasks. Having said that, remember everything stated above applies equally so, and a lot of it costs only the time and effort you're able to devote towards it.


From: "Dr. R.P. Mouton" <moutonrp(a)tiscali.nl>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 38, Eintrag 46
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:04:55 +0100

Dear J b, In reply to your questions:
I have published several books and chapters on the genealogy of my family,
in the years 1998-2006, and thus I am reasonably experienced in this job.
However, only once I visited an archive in Germany, so in the project ,
which I started last year, concerning an Ahnentafel of my grandsons , sons
of my youngest son ( so on their mothers side). I have only just started my
quests in Germany. In this Ahnentafel I have gathered around 1100 persons
now, but of those not all data are complete. I found 12 forefathers
or -mothers in Germany in the period 1750-1840, and I have only just started further investigations on these. I hope the Liste may help me since I am not
able any more to make frequent visits to archives in Germany.. Yours Peter
Mouton

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Re: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library

Date: 2007/02/01 11:27:17
From: Loretta Krumwiede Barlow <krumbar(a)comcast.net>


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Schrader" <gscout1912(a)mindspring.com>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library


To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site: Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago. Relatives all settled in Minnesota. I think I will only have time to visit one site.

Gail


I wish I knew the answer to that question, but I don't. You might check the ACPL Web site at http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/genealogy/index.html (They haven't changed the opening page for the genealogy department yet with the indication that they have reopened). Down the left side under Search, you will find access to various searches, including a microtext index, which has never been available online before. Except for Passenger lists, maps and a couple of Gazetteers, I don't see a lot in the microfilm under the International search Germany.

Note there is also an index titled "National Archives Microfilm." I don't know if that means that the ACPL has all the same microfilm as the National Archives or not, but it's possible.

Only you can decide where your time and money is best spent. You should do some research on what records are available in each site before you make your decision. Notice that if you are working at the ACPL you have access to Ancestry.com, HeritageQuestOnilne.com, NewEnglandAncestors.org and other things you might not subscribe to personally. You also have access to PERSI. There is a great deal you can to online to determine if you want to make a trip to Fort Wayne or Chicago.

Though I love Fort Wayne, I would be remiss if I did not point out that there are only two hotels downtown. Most hotels other than those downtown that I would recommend are along Washington Center Road and Lima Road. At least two of those have kitchenette suites. There are only two restaurants downtown not associated with the hotels that I would feel comfortable recommending -- one for comfort food and the other for fine dining. Comfort food is walking distance, fine dining is not in the dark. On a nice summer evening, yes, but even then not after dark. There are the usual tacos, burgers, etc. in the downtown area. The area from Coliseum Boulevard (where Glenbrook Square is located) north to Washington Center Road is restaurant row as well as hotel row.

The Carole Lombard Bed and Breakfast (she lived there as a child) is near downtown -- about 700 or 800 east on Main Street, though it may not have an address on Main Street. Walking distance? Maybe in the summer, but not now. It's near my office, and I walked it Saturday.

Fort Wayne does not have a thriving "night life," (some would disagree with that statement -- those young enough to enjoy our Landing area) but you could luck into an old movie showing down the street at the Embassy -- a historic theatre -- or a performance of the Philharmonic there or at the Shrine -- which is very much walking distance.


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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library


To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site: Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago. Relatives all settled in Minnesota. I think I will only have time to visit one site.

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Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened

Date: 2007/02/01 11:31:45
From: Loretta Krumwiede Barlow <krumbar(a)comcast.net>

Thanks, J.B. I couldn't have said it any better (and didn't). I was thinking of Ryan a lot Saturday. What a shame he died before this all came to fruition!

----- Original Message ----- From: "J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened


Understandable some might wonder the what and why of such a post, especially
from the German side. But as Loretta noted, the ACPL [Allen County Public
Library |aka| Fort Wayne City Library] is indeed a monster of a genealogical library, rivaled in the U.S. only by the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. The ACPL even surpasses the genealogy division of the Newberry Library
in Chicago, and those of the New York and Los Angeles public libraries. It
also boasts the largest collection of English-language family and local
history periodicals in the world - more than 5100 current subscriptions and nearly 10,000 total titles. It subscribes to countless foreign periodicals,
many emanating from Germany.

Like the FHL in SLC, you could get lost in it for days and never stop
discovering things, both American and European based. The restructuring took
a number of years to complete, and any American involved in family history
pursuits for a reasonable amount of time has been aware of this development.

The ACPL was actually cited a few months back on H-L, with the death of
genealogist Ryan Taylor.

Jb

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From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Re: [HN] Death of Genealogist Ryan Taylor
Date: Thur, 5 Oct 2006 22:34:38

A sad loss indeed. Along with Curt Witcher and staff, Ryan helped make the
ACPL in Fort Wayne one of the foremost genealogical research facilities in
the U.S. - and the world.

A bit more on the newsfront ::

A Tribute To Ryan Taylor
By Dave Obee
http://www.daveobee.com/columns/06ryan.htm

Dick Eastman Genealogy Newsletter - In Memoriam: Ryan Taylor
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/09/genealogy_commu.html

Jb

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From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <krumbar(a)comcast.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Death of Genealogist Ryan Taylor
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:56:12 -0400

See the details at

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15676166.htm

This link won't last forever. Like maybe noon tomorrow.

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From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <krumbar(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:24:23 -0500

The Allen County Public Library contains the largest publicly owned
genealogical collection in the United States -- some say in the world. Its
contributions to research have a world-wide impact. I'm sorry if you were
offended Reinhard, but many people on this list live in the U.S., and many
travel to Fort Wayne, Indiana for research in documents that indeed come
from Lower Saxony. The availability of their materials has been somewhat
abbreviated over the last four years while the library was rebuilt, and it
is all now open again.

Loretta
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Videos: http://krumbar.neptune.com
Families: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~loretta/

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened

Guten Tag,

kann mir jemand bitteschön erklären, was der Inhalt d.u.
eingestellten Beitrages in diesem Forum mit
Familienforschung in Niedersachsen zu tun hat, abgesehen von
der unfreundlichen Art, weder eine Anrede und noch nicht
einmal einen Absender aufzuführen?

Good day, can someone explain to me please please, to specify what contents have to do d.u. adjusted contribution in this forum with family research in
Lower Saxony, apart from the unfriendly kind, neither an address and not
even a sender?

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Re: [HN] translation

Date: 2007/02/01 15:08:34
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/26/2007 4:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de writes:

Hallo,
> I recently found my ur-ur-grossmutter and her family in  the Bippen Church 
records.  Although I can understand the most of the  entries in the record, I 
can't figure out the entry in a 'cause of death'  column.  I also can't 
interpret the word under 'heuerling'.  I  assume the word is the name of the farm 
where the man worked, but I can't  decipher it.  Would someone be willing to 
help me if I scan the words and  attach them in a message?  I would really 
appreciate it.  I have  tried my German dictionary and the Edna Bentz book of 
deciphering German and  am still stuck.  Thanks so much!!
> --
> Carolyn  Travers



Carolyn,
 
I also have family from Bippen.  If it is OK with you, I would very  much 
like to see if we have a connection somewhere.
 
Janet

[HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at ancestry.com

Date: 2007/02/01 18:28:13
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>


  Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret
  to getting to the old lists of years like 1869.

  As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how
  to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing
  a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists.


  It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put
  it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band
  number. Besides a music played by a  band.

  If you have the trick can you share it.

  jo
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Re: [HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at ancestry.com

Date: 2007/02/01 19:07:55
From: pharmaxx <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Jo
I don't know what you are working with so I cannot be very specific. I did not even know the Hamburg emmigration lists were on line. I found exactly what I was looking for at the LDS library on one of their films. In fact it was one of their most frequently ordered films and that they had it on hand.
Max







> 
>    Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret
>    to getting to the old lists of years like 1869.
> 
>    As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how
>    to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing
>    a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists.
> 
> 
>    It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put
>    it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band
>    number. Besides a music played by a  band.
> 
>    If you have the trick can you share it.
> 
>    jo
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Re: [HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at ancestry.com

Date: 2007/02/01 20:27:32
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

A Band Nr. Is a Volume No.

PFS

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces+pfsco1=comcast.net(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces+pfsco1=comcast.net(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of
> jo meyer
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:28 AM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: [HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at
> ancestry.com
> 
> 
>    Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret
>    to getting to the old lists of years like 1869.
> 
>    As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how
>    to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing
>    a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists.
> 
> 
>    It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put
>    it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band
>    number. Besides a music played by a  band.
> 
>    If you have the trick can you share it.
> 
>    jo
>      _________________________________________________________________
> 
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>    to the Academy AwardsR
> 
> References
> 
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Re: [HN] Hueffed Family Surname

Date: 2007/02/01 23:05:32
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,

If you look at the fantastic ohio necrology file site Rick recommended you will find there are several Hueffeld obituaries. The name of church where funeral was being held is mentioned in a couple I perused..and for the most part majority of these obits appear to belong to related Hueffed families.. There are a couple of older obits.. 1912 & 1929... perhaps checking in the records of the churches mentioned.. might lead into some additional information on your Hueffed's which might help locate them in Hannover..

Barbie-Lew

Hello,

      That is a rather unusual name and one that probably is often
misspelled. I have done some research in Hannover (kingdom), but haven't yet
found that family there. The German phonebook has no such listing. I would
suggest that you look at some of the materials that are available for those
who lived in the USA. The census lists mostly refers to Lorain County, Ohio
and the town of Amherst. The 1900 census is the best one for finding the
year of immigration. There is an Elizabeth there, but is probably married
with that name. There it says she immigrated in in 1860. She is in the 1880
census with husband John Hueffeld (age 49) who came from Hannover.

    There is also a Henry Hueffed in the 1880 census who was born  in
Hannover (yes, that would include the whole kingdom, not just the city).

    The problem with census records and church records is that words are
often misspelled and you have to guess all the variations!  I would suggest
that you look at the genealogy pages in Ohio, most specifically the county.
There are people who will look up things for you. Here is an Lorain county
website to order birth and death records:
http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/pub.htm
 Death records can  be very helpful.

Here is the website of Lorain County - contact those people there who may
be able to help you. http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/

Good luck to you!
Barbara










 Hello, I discovered that the core of the Hueffed family to be from
> Cleveland, Ohio but I have never met any of them. I am just trying to
> find out the origin of the name Hueffed and the original German spelling
> if anyone knows. Most of the early Hueffed family immigrants identify
> "Hannover" as their birthplace prior to 1900. I assume then that the
> Hueffed family is originally from the Kingdom of Hannover?
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Re: [HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at ancestry.com

Date: 2007/02/01 23:37:48
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Jo,

Not exactly sure if you are asking how to find ship lists from 1869? On this I would try steven morse website easy search for castlegarden ships...just put in few letters of last name..and then put 1869 for the query year and see if anything happens...

If you are looking for old Hamburg message board posts... I think rrootsweb mailing list posts also transfered ovre to ancestry message boards...

I think if you go here you can browse or search DEU-HAMBURG board:

http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/DEU-HAMBURG.html

The mailing list index to locate specific boards are here: boards are here:

http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/index.html

Maybe you will find what you search for fooling with these.

If you want.. tell me specifically what you are looking for and I will try to find link for you..

Barbie-Lew

P.S.  Another suggestion would be to try to  "Google"  the data you want.


  Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret
  to getting to the old lists of years like 1869.

  As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how
  to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing
  a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists.


  It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put
  it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band
  number. Besides a music played by a  band.

  If you have the trick can you share it.

  jo
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Re: [HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at ancestry.com

Date: 2007/02/01 23:46:39
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

I found a book a few years ago at the LDS Family History Library in Salt
Lake City that covered the 18th and 19th century emigration from Lower
Saxony to other countries (not just America).  It is in German but the name
was something like: 

"Auswanderungen des 18. und 19.  Jahrhunderts aus dem Raum Niedersachsen in
der Literatur des 20. Jahrhunderts: eine Regional bibilographie"

It had a great format as sections were by 1) destination, 2) village where
from and 3) surname.  I don't believe it had ship name, but it did have
dates, the village were born as well as what village they had been living ..
some had maiden names as well.  It was a great book.  Hopefully, it is
microfilmed now.

Bonita Hillmer

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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:28 AM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at ancestry.com


   Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret
   to getting to the old lists of years like 1869.

   As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how
   to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing
   a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists.


   It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put
   it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band
   number. Besides a music played by a  band.

   If you have the trick can you share it.

   jo
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Re: [HN] process of immigration from archive's archives

Date: 2007/02/02 00:28:12
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Jo,

Here's a thought... Wonder if you might be able to discover something about this Marie Ahrens of Felena Illinois circa 1869 who wrote the letter?

Wonder if :

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html

Might give a clue?

I'm confused. Is it the Meyers who you think are in Jackson County circa 187? Jackson County..what state? I'll see if maybe there is a county history that might include your surnames but I'm confused on where, when and who.. lol :)

Barbie-Lew


  List,
  My 'associate relative' as I will call him was most helpful with the
  immigration document. Since he possessed as much or more informtion
  about the Luhmann family. I asked him if it made sense. After a time
  he produced the information of the letters. i asked him now how he got
  them. So I also may get to them.  I will have to write to the church.
  I gave him some puzzling information about another family MEYER,
  schulze in Oldendorf, that i had gotten awhile back. That
  information doesn't do much, it only  adds to the puzzle.

  "  some days ago you mentioned a file and asked for the connection
  "Schwester" and
  "Mutter". The information of that file is the extract from 8 documents
  (Nr. 169
  - Nr. 177 of the file-volume):
  169/170
  Letter from Marie Ahrens,  written 23. Nov. (1868) in Galena (2
  pages). The
  salutation in the letter is: Lieber Schwager und Schwester
  (brother-in-law and
  sister)! Marie Ahrens tells about life in America and reflection of
  emigration.
  She thinks, that J. H. F Meyer should come to America and that he will
  need 100
  Reichsthaler (money).
  171
  A little yellow envelope, posted in Galena. Inside was the letter
  169/170.
  Address: Parkwärter zu Röthen bei der Göhrde, Königreich Hannover.
  172*
  A little yellow envelope, posted in Galena, Ill. on 7. Jan. (1869).
  For the
  letter see 173.
  Address: Herrn Parkwärter Meyer, Röthen bei der Göhrde, Amt
  Dannenberg,
  Hannover, Germany.
  173
  Letter from Marie Möllemann, written 8. Jan. (1869). Salutation:
  Lieber Schwager
  und Schwester. Marie Möllemann tells about her life in America, she is
  very
  pleased. She writes: Let Liese, Marie and Friedrich come. If you like
  send Anna
  too, but the other are to young. Her husband wants them to come too.
  Both want
  to care for them.
  174
  Document of the Nahrendorf church about the birth of J. H. F. Meyer in
  1851.
  175
  Heimatschein. J. H. F. Meyer declares, that he wants to emigrate.
  28.03.1869,
  Nahrendorf-seal.
  176
  The father Jürgen Friedrich Meyer agrees with the emigration of his
  son and
  guarantees to give him 100 Reichsthaler.
  On the same paper certifies the Gemeindevorstand of Röthen, that
  Jürgen
  Friedrich Meyer is able to give 100 Reichsthaler to his son.
  177
  Military-certificate.
  This is the contents of the above documents in short. The documents
  are written
  in German language and in Sütterlin-writing.
  For usual it is possible to get a digital copy (jpg) of the documents.
  The fee
  for that may be 30 Euro. Do you like to order a copy?
  In the end of this mail I return to the question in the beginning. In
  the moment
  it is not certain for me, who is the sister (name) and who is the
  mother. Marie
  Ahrens can be the sister of C. M. Luhmann, if she had married a Mr.
  Ahrens; but
  I don't think so.
  I think, it is necessary to search for the day of the death from C. M.
  Luhmann
  (Meyer) and her husband J. H. F. Meyer. Perhaps C. M. Luhmann (Meyer)
  died
  before her husband and he married again (a woman with name Ahrens); in
  that case
  Marie Ahrens is the sister of the second wife and J. H. F. Meyer is
  the
  brother-in-law of Marie Ahrens. But this are pure ideas, perhaps you
  have some
  more information."
  It is always good to mull over the genealogiical questions with
  others. I am open to suggestions and ideas and now will take off for
  some hunches I have.  The hunt begins again.
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[HN] Novels

Date: 2007/02/02 04:46:25
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Don:  Hah!!!  But I'll bet mine is better - or at least longer.
To everyone else who wonders what this is all about, see my website:
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[HN] Sometimes my wording stinks..sorry.

Date: 2007/02/02 06:06:14
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>


  I re read my letter and saw that the possibility of misinterpretation
  of what i said.  when I get an error with msn or explorer it gives me
  the message or the 'sermon' or the 'error  kind of response'.. I call
  them "Sorry'" messages. They are error messages. That is  exactly
  what  I meant by 'getting the sermon'.  I t says I that I should use "
  a wild card " and try  researching just the year.

  I am reviewing your kind suggestions. I am not going to  reply to each
  one. I will use them.

  Today while renewing my ancestry i asked if they had the secret. The
  man did not know that there was another way into this Hamburg
  passenger ship list through the advertisement above on the page.
  Several pages into it after one had clicked the immigration button,
  one could click on that advertisement and access the list from
  Hamburg. Does anyone know what i am taliking about.  He said he only
  used the 'search'  method or button. A wise choice.

  . It was free sometime around thanksgiving and christmas.

  Now with that list, i was able to find out  Ritterling, who were
  suppose to be from Carwitz  Mecklenburg, were from Eichdorf for a
  time. The time they  emmigrated I already knew from research  done in
  wyoming.  That they had gone through Canada/Michigan port. this around
  1892, I think it was. I suppose that  they had gone to new york and
  because of much quarantine due to diseases and such, that they decided
  to go this other route. I was able to find a few others also within
  the 1890's and 1900's. It is wonderful to use.

  I  only mentioned my frustration with it in a cranky old lady style
  because I was hopeing someone would say.....I KNOW THE SECRET ENTRANCE
  AND THIS IS HOW Or just say along with me. Yeah we know. But  I am not
  sure yet, if  anyone has had luck with it.  Private email me if you
  like. I just would like to  see that someone has actually gotten to
  the back dates with this special ship list from Hamburg. I am sure by
  now it is from my  lack of knowledge about something that holds me
  back.  No one else saw it as a problem?????????

  Ashamed I am to say that again today I asked about  this secret  key
  into the immigration older years. The man  at ancestory.com ,who I
  renewed my subscription from, told me some thing about the learning
  button up at the top. He said  the wild card deffinition is  told  in
  there, which is very   similar to someones posting,   but a bit
  different.  He said it is using three letters and the asterick sign
  afterwards. I would have not done that.  Fearing the 'sermon' or the
  repeat message about 'the wild card  needed' in order to access
  earlier years of ships leaving hamburg. i am going to try that. and i
  am going to go into the learning link. Sometimes the simpliest thing
  can at times seem so hard.

  So thanks for helpful tips. and I hope no one was offended by my
  colorful phrases that amuse me.

  I love this list. And I know you all have good suggestions. Even  if
  it is merely said. 'weve answered that one tons of times try the
  archives a few months back. etc.' that is still a tip and helpful.

  For now I am going to just drop the subject. i'll figure it out. I
  must be part of the ride.

  Have a good evening

  jo
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Re: [HN] Oliver Bund

Date: 2007/02/02 09:49:06
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>

This maybe a stupid question but I noticed that you signed off as Heike what
is that a nickname for?  My gr. gr. greatgandfather was , his first name
Andries( from Hanover  to Netherlands born in the late 1700's)  but also
known as Heike, is that the only name associtaded with this nickname or were
their others?     Anna Marie Schmitz
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From: "Oliver Bund" <ollibund(a)gmx.de>

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[HN] KB Bücken Kreis Nienburg 17./18. Jh.

Date: 2007/02/02 14:54:32
From: FuP Hestermann <frohestory(a)web.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

wo können wir die KB von Bücken finden? Ab wann gibt es welche? Gibt es
evtl. schon ein Familienbuch oder eine Verkartung?

Wir freuen uns über jeden Hinweis.

Viele Grüße

Felicitas und Peter (Hestermann)


Re: [HN] KB Bücken Kreis Nienburg 17./18. Jh.

Date: 2007/02/02 15:57:54
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"FuP Hestermann" <frohestory(a)web.de> schrieb:
> Liebe Listenmitglieder,
> 
> wo können wir die KB von Bücken finden? Ab wann gibt es welche? Gibt es
> evtl. schon ein Familienbuch oder eine Verkartung?
> 
> Wir freuen uns über jeden Hinweis.
> 

Hallo Felicitas und Peter,

die Kirchenbücher von Bücken, Kirchenkreis Hoya, beginnen 1664. Sie liegen wohl als Microfiches im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover:  www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Freundliche Grüße und schönes Wochenende
Wilfried (Petersen)


[HN] KALBREI/ Brennecke aus Düderode

Date: 2007/02/02 16:55:14
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach konkreteren Daten und den Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Dorothea Eleonore KALBREI, * um 1780
Ehemann: Johann Friedrich BRENNECKE, ** 23-9-1773 in Düderode, # 4-4-1830 in Düderode, Beruf: Radmacher Eltern: Johann Andreas Brennecke und Hanna Christina Dörries

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn





Re: [HN] Hueffed Family Surname

Date: 2007/02/02 19:34:36
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

The German phone directory listed no Hueffed/Hueffeld, but some Hüffel (Hueffel) and Hüffell.
Mainly in in Rhein-Sieg-Kreis / Nordreihn-Westfalen - not Hannover.

Check with this:  http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/

Werner Honkomp

> Hello,

>        That is a rather unusual name and one that probably is often
> misspelled. I have done some research in Hannover (kingdom), but haven't
> yet
> found that family there. The German phonebook has no such listing. I would
> suggest that you look at some of the materials that are available for
> those
> who lived in the USA. The census lists mostly refers to Lorain County,
> Ohio
> and the town of Amherst. The 1900 census is the best one for finding the
> year of immigration. There is an Elizabeth there, but is probably married
> with that name. There it says she immigrated in in 1860. She is in the
> 1880
> census with husband John Hueffeld (age 49) who came from Hannover.

>      There is also a Henry Hueffed in the 1880 census who was born  in
> Hannover (yes, that would include the whole kingdom, not just the city).





[HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg 10.Teil, KRAFT, LINDAU, PERSKE, DANNENBERG, MURDES, BLUM, HAMANN, GRUNDNER, KLICZEWSKI, DATHE, v.TODENWARTH, STOLL, KREBS, HAGEL, KAMINKI, STRACKE, WILLKOMM, BOGUMIL, KLEIST, BECKER, MAZEK, SCHWARZBAUER, SUNDERMEIER, WALDMEYER

Date: 2007/02/02 20:06:18
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Libe Listenleser,

die Zeit vergeht und zum Wochenende die versprochene Fortsetzung der Verbrechensdaten zitiert nach:
EBELING: Schwarze Chronuk einer Weltsstadt. Hamburger Kriminalgeschichte 1919 bis 1945

"...

- 1934 -
 1. 1.34 Umorganisation  der Kriminalpolizei Hamburg. Einrichtung von Spezialdienststellen, Aufhebung der örtlichen Dienststellen.

 6. 1.34 Im Prozeß gegen KRAFT wegen Rückfalldiebstahls erfolgt die erste Verurteilung nach dem < Gesetz gegen gefährliche Gewohnheitsverbrecher p.p.> vom 24.11.33...."

10. 1.34 Rudolf LINDAU (1912 - 1934), Sohn eines Journalisten wird wegen Mordes an dem Polizeibeamten PERSKE (siehe 27.8.1931) hingerichtet (S. 311ff).     "...

17. 1.34 Erstes Urteil mit Anordnung der Entmannung in Altona (Fall DANNENBERG).

24.1.34 Zigeuner-Invasion im Bahnhof Altona (63 Personen), Rücktransport nach Belgien (Zigeunerkönig Karl MURDES)

25. 3.34 Prozeß gegen Einbrecherbande Emil BLUM u. Genossen, 46 Angeklagte; Urteil 17.4.34

 5. 4.34 Rauschgiftprozeß HAMANN, GRUNDNER, KLICZEWSKI; 33 Angeklagte

13. 4.34 Kindesentführungsprozeß Erwin DATHE ( Wilhelm Willibald August Ludwig Erwin DATHE, wurde  1885 in Rentwertshausen in Thüringen als Sohn eines Gutsbesitzers geboren. ... Mutter ... eine Freiin WOLF von TODENWARTH ..., in die Landeskrankenanstalt  Meseritz-Obrawalde verlegt, wo er im Januar 1944 verstarb (S.242ff.)), der mit einem Schulmädchen ( ca.1926 in Vierlanden geboren) um die Welt reiste. Urteil: ... 1 und 1/2 Jahre Zuchthaus und anschließend Verwahrung (ebda.)

16. 5.34 Erneuter Prozeß gegen Hans STOLL wegen Hochstapelei.

 7. 7.34 Hochverratsprozeß gegen Richard KREBS(KPD). - ...

12. 9.34 Prozeß gegen Petersen-Bande; hier: HAGEL, KAMINSKI, STRACKE (auch Reichsgericht v. 17.1.35)

 2.10.34 Abtreibungsprozeß WILLKOMM/BOGUMIL. Hohe Zuchthausstrafen.

18.11.34 Auffindung der Leiche des Dienstmädchens Else KLEIST in einem Schrebergarten an der Flottbeker Chaussee. (... im Jahre 1906 in Gülzow in Mecklenburg als Tochter eines Schmiedemeisters (+1931) geboren,... + 14.10.1934( S.398ff), (Mutter lebt 1934 ebda.)); Täter: Fridolin BECKER (BECKER war 1896 in Brisbane in Australien als Sohn eines deutschen Pastoren geboren, Seine Mutter entstammte einer wohlhabenden australischen Familie deutscher Herkunft. (S.398), Während des Krieges war er bei einem Bombenräumkommando bei Blohm&Voss eingesetzt. Ein explodierender Blindgänger verletzte ihn lebensgefährlich. Seither fehlt von ihm jede Spur(S.422)) ; Hauptproz.:31.7.39

12.12.34 Notzucht mit Todesfolge am Tanzmädchen Helene MAZEK, Wilhelminenstraße; Täter: K.SCHWARZBAUER; Proz..:5.7.35

24.12.34 Raubüberfall auf Briefträger im Haus Kaiser-Friedrich-Ufer 16; Täter: D.SUNDERMEIER (erschoß sich bei Festnahme) ..."

und noch ein Nachtrag zum Jahre 1923: "...Der Ermordete wurde als Schmied Franz WALDMEYER, am 13.3.1896 in Vonkovcil (Slowenien) geboren, festgestellt. WALDMEYER war aus Österreich nach Hamburg gekommen, um von hier aus nach Amerika auszuwandern. ... Als (Kommissar) FAULHABER die Sache 1941 wiederaufnahm, gelang es ihm, zwei der damaligen Verdächtigen zum Geständnis zu bringen. ...(S.416)"

mit den besten Wünschen zum Wochenende

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

[HN] Brief Bleckede 1834

Date: 2007/02/02 20:09:19
From: Stefan Kramer <mail(a)kramer-stefan.de>

Hallo,

ich habe einen Brief erworben, der leider nicht interessant für mich ist. Vielleicht kann den jemand von Euch gebrauchen. Hier eine Übersetzung (nochmals herzlichen Dank allen an der Übersetzung beteiligten):

Gehorsamstes Pro mimeria (Pro numeria?)

In der Anlage ermangele ich mich, dem Antrag über die, für den Lüner Elbdeich pro 1834/5 erforderlichen Kosten, ehrerbietigst zu überweisen und bitte ich um baldhochgefällige Genehmigung dieses Anliegen, damit die Ausführung zur rechten und rücksichtlich des billigen Ansatzes zur paßlichen Zeit vorgenommen werden kann.

In Folge des sofort mündlich erteilten Auftrages habe ich die Schädstellenbesserung sofort vorgenommen und (sofort) ausgeführt.

Auch bitte ich dringend ganz gehorsamst, die vorigjährige Kostenrechnung baldgefälligst berichtigen zu wollen, einen großen Theil davon habe ich den Arbeitsleuten bereits vorschießen müssen, wofür mir nicht wird, und ist zu fürchten, dass durch verzögerte Zahlung nun den Arbeitsleuten Unannehmlichkeiten veranlasst und die Arbeiten künftig nicht so billig gemacht werden.


Vogelsang
Deichgeschworener (=Deichschultheiß)


Bei Interesse gebe ich den Brief zum Selbstkostenpreis von € 8,95 inkl. Porto ab.
Hier die Links zum schauen:

http://www.kramer-stefan.de/Lesehilfe/Brief1.jpg
http://www.kramer-stefan.de/Lesehilfe/Brief2.jpg

Gruß,
Stefan
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[HN] 3. Re: Oliver Bund (Brouwers)

Date: 2007/02/03 00:11:59
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>

   3. Re: Oliver Bund (Brouwers)


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Hi Anna Marie,

it wasn't a stupid queation, becauser it gives no stupid questions...:-))
My name is Heike and Oliver was my husband, but we take a mailadress
together, it was the easyest way...

Sorry for my bad english, but it was from schooltime, a long time ago...:-))

regards
Heike (Bund)
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Re: [HN] Hueffed Family Surname

Date: 2007/02/03 01:54:19
From: Hueffed, Henry <henry.hueffed(a)seattlechildrens.org>

Thanks though might be a clue... 

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:31 AM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Hueffed Family Surname

The German phone directory listed no Hueffed/Hueffeld, but some Hüffel (Hueffel) and Hüffell.
Mainly in in Rhein-Sieg-Kreis / Nordreihn-Westfalen - not Hannover.

Check with this:  http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/

Werner Honkomp

> Hello,

>        That is a rather unusual name and one that probably is often 
> misspelled. I have done some research in Hannover (kingdom), but 
> haven't yet found that family there. The German phonebook has no such 
> listing. I would suggest that you look at some of the materials that 
> are available for those who lived in the USA. The census lists mostly 
> refers to Lorain County, Ohio and the town of Amherst. The 1900 census 
> is the best one for finding the year of immigration. There is an 
> Elizabeth there, but is probably married with that name. There it says 
> she immigrated in in 1860. She is in the 1880 census with husband John 
> Hueffeld (age 49) who came from Hannover.

>      There is also a Henry Hueffed in the 1880 census who was born  in 
> Hannover (yes, that would include the whole kingdom, not just the city).




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[HN] Surnames BUTT, T(H)IEDEMANN

Date: 2007/02/03 02:04:07
From: rsjoer <rsjoer(a)comcast.net>

This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this properly.  I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of Bremen on the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867.  They were Johann Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann) Butt, and his two sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich and Johann.  American death certificates and obituaries state they were born in Hannover, but not which village in the kingdom.  John's date of birth is March 27, 1827, and Margaretha was born in 1842/1843.

According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt and Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany.

Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt and/or Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search?

Thanks in advance,

Robin Sjoerdsma
Sarasota, FL

[HN] Albers, Meier, Lindemann, Michaelis

Date: 2007/02/03 05:20:54
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi all:  I've helped a lot of you and now I'm looking for help in extending some lines that I have neglected up to now.  Seeking parents of any of the following:  (All in Kreis Hoya)
Ich suche die Eltern und was für andere Data von der Folgende:
Mette Albers,  *c. 1711, prob. Engeln +15 Jan 1758 Vilsen, m. Segelke 
        Schumacher who took the Albers name.   (Hans Peter - any connection to your lines?)
Ilse Mette Margarethe Meyer, *1713, wo?, +15 Jul 1784, m. 5 Dec 1737,Vilsen,Heinrich Meyer,
        data unk. Her parents were Dietrich Heinrich Meyer aus Schweringen & Anne Margarethe
        Klein aun Uddendorf.  (These Meyers were a prominent family in Vilsen down to today)
Johann Lindemann, Herzögliche Amtsschreiber in Bruchhausen, *1657, poss. Celle. +18 Jun
        1707
Michael Michels (Michaelis), *1672, poss. Asendorf, +1727, m. Adelheit  ??

Any clues greatly appreciated.  Thanks.    Jane

[HN] Matthies (Matthias)

Date: 2007/02/03 05:26:44
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

And here is one more:
NN. Mathias * 1671, on 1 Oct 1734 fell off his horse and died in front of the church in Ahlden. Pastor took care of the burial not knowing who he was.  Family tradition has it that the family  were French Huguenots who followed Eleanor d'Olbreuse to Celle.  I believe he may have been one of the guards of Sophie Dorothea, the so-called "Princessin von Ahlden".  Later one Heinrich Anton Matthias (1710-nach 1760) who I think was his son owned the mill at Frankenfeld.  Who was he?  Any help or ideas greatly appreciated.  Thanks.   Jane

Den 1 Okt 1734 ein Reuter gennant Matthias (kein Vorname) ist bei der Kirche zu Ahlden vom Pferde gefallen und gestorben.  Ich glaube er war Wächter von Sophie Dorothea, die sogennant "Prinzessen von Ahledn"  Weisst jemand wer er ist?  Danke für deine Hilfe.   Jane


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Re: [HN] Oliver Bund (Brouwers)

Date: 2007/02/03 07:25:02
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Heike or Heiko, Anna? Perhaps the latter was a diminutive for his middle name, if Andries (Andreas?) has been confirmed. Heiko is actually a Friesian/North German nickname for Heinrich (Henry in English, rooted from Heimerich and Haganrich in Old German, meaning strong ruler). Hinz, Heinz, Hein, Heini and Heino are more common German nicks for Heinrich and Heinfried, only Heini has morphed somewhat over time towards a more derisive connotation today, more along the lines of "moron" or "imbecile."

Heike is the Friesien/Low German short form of the Heinrike, the female form of Heinrich. It used to be a fairly popular North German girl's name, much like Elke and Silke, but has fallen a little out of fashion in recent years.

The modern replacements in many German children's names often sound more English or French (or biblical) than traditional Germanic, examples being Leah, Lena, Laura, Lara, Leonie, Jessica and Jennifer for girls; and Tim, Jonas, Louis, Kevin, Lucas, Marcel, Patrick and Finn for boys -- to name a few very popular modern examples. Of course the naming patterns in America have transformed considerably too, with names that often sounding "cutesier" than ever: Madison, Ashley, Kayla, Brianna, Megan, Ava, Alexis and Taylor regularly reach high marks for girls; and Jacob, Joshua, Ethan, Tyler, Dylan, Zachary, Brandon and Austin routinely make the prime time cut for boys.

Now I'm not poking fun at any names here, far from it. Some of those are actually very nice, only John barely makes the list anymore (nor does James for that matter). Which begs the question: What the [expletive deleted] is going on? :-0

I'll say it, but Jane may be soon on my heels :: Heike, to the best of my knowledge, does not have an English equivalent. There.

JANE!!

Jb

PS. Heike Bund, ich verstehe dein Schulezeit Englisch sehr gut, ich muss sagen. Das übertrifft Googlerama!

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From : Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>
Sent : Friday, February 2, 2007 12:51 AM
To : "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject : Re: [HN] Oliver Bund

This maybe a stupid question but I noticed that you signed off as Heike what is that a nickname for? My gr. gr. greatgandfather was, his first name Andries( from Hanover to Netherlands born in the late 1700's) but also known as Heike, is that the only name associtaded with this nickname or were their others? Anna Marie Schmitz

----------

From : Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>
Sent : Friday, February 2, 2007 3:10 PM
To : <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject : [HN] 3. Re: Oliver Bund (Brouwers)

Hi Anna Marie,

it wasn't a stupid queation, becauser it gives no stupid questions...:-))
My name is Heike and Oliver was my husband, but we take a mailadress
together, it was the easyest way...

Sorry for my bad english, but it was from schooltime, a long time ago...:-))

regards
Heike (Bund)

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Re: [HN] Albers, Meier, Lindemann, Michaelis

Date: 2007/02/03 10:24:04
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

"jeswansong(a)earthlink.net" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net> schrieb:
...
> Ich suche die Eltern und was für andere Data von der Folgende:
> Mette Albers,  *c. 1711, prob. Engeln +15 Jan 1758 Vilsen, m. Segelke 
>         Schumacher who took the Albers name.   (Hans Peter - any connection to your lines?)
...
Hi Jane Swan,

unfortunately not yet any connection, but I will keep the information for my "Whole-of-World-Albers-file" and my eyes open and will inform you, when I can tell you more.

Greetings Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Re: [HN] Sometimes my wording stinks

Date: 2007/02/03 11:30:10
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Jo it goes without saying that the number one hindrance to making effective progress as it relates to non-intuitive tasks is the preliminary work required up front to master them, the very thing that is often dismissed as trivial - or disregarded in the rush to succeed as quickly as possible. Simple but classic example: 90% of computer errors are - believe it or not - USER errors. Now I say this knowing perfectly well that Windows is a far from perfect multi-task platform manager. But still, you can hardly blame it with all it has to do, and the often inane inputs it receives at the hands of its impatient operators! The thought of all those eager beaver Joes and Jills tripping and fumbling all over their keyboards with mugs of coffee in hand must warm the core of Windows good.

If more folks would take the time to read the manual, follow the instructions listed on the box, or perform their maintenance chores according to the product guides supplied, the majority of "problems" and "issues" that always arise would be overcome before they had a chance to rear their heads. The same applies to online activities. Many things on the Internet are not "intuitive"; in fact much of the computing experience is not straight forward. But that said, most "support" or "help" sections of websites spell out the necessary ABC's to succeed. These are the online equivalents to the physical manuals and guides mentioned earlier. It is an unfortunate but natural tendency in just about everyone to want to cut to the chase on things, to dive in and learn as quickly as possible in the name of expedition and fast-fast-fast results. But these various blind-at-full-speed approaches rarely progress well, in fact, more often they come back to nip us - and good.

Follow what that little voice inside is now hinting at. Devote at least an hour or two to the HELP section of that site, THEN attempt to reel in a few noteworthy catches. Personally I would open a second browser window - targeted on the same site - so you can apply what you are learning with a true "hands on" approach (= as you read through the help guides in browser window 1, apply experiments to browser window 2 as you progress). An hour or two at the help desk in that manner should pay dividends thereafter. As it is, almost all time-saving expedients are learned one of two ways - either the hard boiled way, by hit and miss experimentation, or by the sheer accumulation of hours in bump-n-grind hammering - or by reading the instructional data sheets (guides, manuals, FAQs) beforehand. Though both can succeed over the long run, the latter approach is a lot more painless and provides far quicker (and generally more comprehensive) results. But it does require one up front "deposit" -- you. :-)

I strongly suggest you consider that approach. If the website's help section is insufficient to the task, or if it seems to be laid out in an unclear manner, let us know. I'm sure you have already received a few tips from members trying to be helpful, but trust me your experience is by no means unique here. Simply take to heart that one guiding principle that rarely backfires: the Lord helps those who help themselves! As I see it, you have all the drive you need to see this kind of task through; you simply have to channel your energies towards where they will pay the best dividends. That can be done by setting a simple but laudable goal, a la: "By the end of this day, I WILL know my way around the Ancestry Immigration database." Then do it! If you think about it and are actually serious, you'll soon see there is only one way to accomplish this - by applying yourself to the task. Of equal importance will be the tools you choose to utilize, ones you will find within reach there.

Good luck. Remember drop the hammer; burrowing often works better.

Jb

PS. Speaking of 'sometimes my wording stinks', who recently began one of their posts with: "Peter I didn't forgot you." Uh yeah, meez can relate. ;)


From: "jo meyer" <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Sometimes my wording stinks..sorry.
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 05:06:00 +0000

   I re read my letter and saw that the possibility of misinterpretation
   of what i said.  when I get an error with msn or explorer it gives me
   the message or the 'sermon' or the 'error  kind of response'.. I call
   them "Sorry'" messages. They are error messages. That is  exactly
   what  I meant by 'getting the sermon'.  I t says I that I should use "
   a wild card " and try  researching just the year.

   I am reviewing your kind suggestions. I am not going to  reply to each
   one. I will use them.

<snip>

   jo

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Re: [HN] Sometimes my wording stinks..sorry.

Date: 2007/02/03 12:48:37
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Jo,

Were you looking for this?

http://landing.ancestry.com/immigration/main/Default.aspx?o_iid=27150&o_lid=27150&o_it=2

It's no longer a free immigration search offer but the link works ... and the other day I noticed that a few databases are viewable.. not actual ship lists..but compiled data on Prussia/Brandenburg and I believe Wuettenburg data..

Excuse spelling pleas :)

Barbie-Lew

I






   I re read my letter and saw that the possibility of misinterpretation
   of what i said.  when I get an error with msn or explorer it gives me
   the message or the 'sermon' or the 'error  kind of response'.. I call
   them "Sorry'" messages. They are error messages. That is  exactly
   what  I meant by 'getting the sermon'.  I t says I that I should use "
   a wild card " and try  researching just the year.

   I am reviewing your kind suggestions. I am not going to  reply to each
   one. I will use them.

   Today while renewing my ancestry i asked if they had the secret. The
   man did not know that there was another way into this Hamburg
   passenger ship list through the advertisement above on the page.
   Several pages into it after one had clicked the immigration button,
   one could click on that advertisement and access the list from
   Hamburg. Does anyone know what i am taliking about.  He said he only
   used the 'search'  method or button. A wise choice.

   . It was free sometime around thanksgiving and christmas.

   Now with that list, i was able to find out  Ritterling, who were
   suppose to be from Carwitz  Mecklenburg, were from Eichdorf for a
   time. The time they  emmigrated I already knew from research  done in
   wyoming.  That they had gone through Canada/Michigan port. this around
   1892, I think it was. I suppose that  they had gone to new york and
   because of much quarantine due to diseases and such, that they decided
   to go this other route. I was able to find a few others also within
   the 1890's and 1900's. It is wonderful to use.

   I  only mentioned my frustration with it in a cranky old lady style
   because I was hopeing someone would say.....I KNOW THE SECRET ENTRANCE
   AND THIS IS HOW Or just say along with me. Yeah we know. But  I am not
   sure yet, if  anyone has had luck with it.  Private email me if you
   like. I just would like to  see that someone has actually gotten to
   the back dates with this special ship list from Hamburg. I am sure by
   now it is from my  lack of knowledge about something that holds me
   back.  No one else saw it as a problem?????????

   Ashamed I am to say that again today I asked about  this secret  key
   into the immigration older years. The man  at ancestory.com ,who I
   renewed my subscription from, told me some thing about the learning
   button up at the top. He said  the wild card deffinition is  told  in
   there, which is very   similar to someones posting,   but a bit
   different.  He said it is using three letters and the asterick sign
   afterwards. I would have not done that.  Fearing the 'sermon' or the
   repeat message about 'the wild card  needed' in order to access
   earlier years of ships leaving hamburg. i am going to try that. and i
   am going to go into the learning link. Sometimes the simpliest thing
   can at times seem so hard.

   So thanks for helpful tips. and I hope no one was offended by my
   colorful phrases that amuse me.

   I love this list. And I know you all have good suggestions. Even  if
   it is merely said. 'weve answered that one tons of times try the
   archives a few months back. etc.' that is still a tip and helpful.

   For now I am going to just drop the subject. i'll figure it out. I
   must be part of the ride.

   Have a good evening

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[HN] KORNRUMPF/ MEYER vom Eichsfeld

Date: 2007/02/03 16:26:14
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Geburtsorten und Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Cyriax KORNRUMPF * um 1611 angeblich in Martenfelde/ Eichsfeld, dort ist aber nichts zu finden, + 26-4-1702 in Gross-Lengden, & 16-6-1640 in Gross-Lengden mit Barbara MEYER * um 1620 angeblich in Wesenfelde/Eichsfeld, dort ist aber nichts zu finden., + 9-4-1682 in Gross-Lengden Kind :Anna KORNRUMPF * 31-12-1649 in Gross-Lengden, + 1-9-1693 in Gross-Lengden & Cyriax Günther

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






[HN] Hannover 1945

Date: 2007/02/03 17:14:03
From: Monika Ehrentraut <Monika.Ehrentraut(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, liebe Historiker und Genealogen,
seit Jahrzehnten suche ich nach jener Verbindung zwischen Cottbus und Hannover, die mir hilft meine Identität zurück zu finden. Vielleicht können Sie mir mit Ihrem Wissen ein wenig weiter helfen. - Nur zum Verständnis : Ich bin Deutsch- und Geschichtslehrerin an einer hessischen Realschule und habe, angefangen mit dem Suchdienst des DRK in Ost und West, seit 1970 keine Institution ausgelassen, die mir hätte beistehen können.
Kurz meine Geschichte, so wie ich sie seit 1999 ermitteln konnte. (Bis dahin gab es keine Zweifel an der Behauptung des Suchdienstes und des Landes Brandenburg, ich wäre ein einsames, nie gesuchtes und nicht-identifizierbares Kleinstkind aus dem deutschen Osten gewesen.)
Am 1./2. Februar 1945 traf in Cottbus eine auffallend gut ausgestattete Personengruppe ein ( 2 Frauen, 5-6 Kinder). Sie waren verletzt und hatten offensichtlich soeben eine Notsituation überstanden. Vieles spricht für die Notlandung einer JU52 östlich von Cottbus.Man brachte sie in den beiden besten, benachbarten Hotels unter, von denen eines inzwischen Behelfskrankenhaus war. Am 15. Februar '45 wurden auch diese beiden Häuser von Bomben getroffen, die Frauen kamen um, die Kinder hatten Phosphor- und Splitterverletzungen. Eine angebliche Retterin enteignete die Kinder sofort und verteilte sie einzeln an Bekannte ihrer Eltern. Schon am 16. Februar hatten alle 6 Kinder neue Namen erhalten, ihre Dokumente und das Evakuierungsgepäck blieben verschollen, bzw. fanden sich in neuer Form im Verwandtenkreis der jungen Cottbusser "Retterin" wieder. Ein Teil des Gepäcks wurde im Dezember der russischen Besatzungsmacht übergeben, die daraufhin den Übergebern großzügig eine beachtliche Summe britischer Pfund zur Eigennutzung überließ. - - - Es hat Jahre gedauert, bis eine Verbindung zur Mineralölindustrie hergestellt werden konnte. Denn zu Cottbus gehörte ein großes Synthese-Werk ( Fischer-Tropsch-Verfahren zur Flugzeug-Benzin-Herstellung) . Und es stellte sich die Frage, welchen Nutzen die Stadt hatte, als sie ab 2. Februar 1946 ein Kind dieser Gruppe nach dem anderen der Abteilung Justiz in Potsdam mit völlig verändertem Alter, erfundenen Flucht- und Herkunftsgeschichten nannte. Drei der Kinder lebten noch bis 1948 in Cottbus, ohne dass die miteinander bekannten, betreuenden Personen es wagten, den Mädchen von ihrer Verwandtschaft zu erzählen. Auch in den folgenden Jahren erfuhr keiner der Heranwachsenden, dass es sich 1945 um vier Mädchen und einen Jungen handelte, die mütterlicherseits ( Schwestern) verwandt waren, obwohl vier der Frauen, beginnend 1963 in Ost und West intensiv geforscht hatten.
Ihre Hilfe benötige ich aus folgendem Grund : Ich bin das jüngste Kind dieser Gruppe und in jener Familie aufgewachsen, deren Mitglieder sich mit Erlaubnis der russischen Besatzungsmacht am Privatbesitz der Evakuierten bereichert hatten. Ich erfuhr gelegentlich Bruchstücke der damaligen Vorgänge, die sich langsam zusammenfügen, seit ich drei dieser mit mir verwandten Anonymisierten in Regensburg, Hannover und Ulm gefunden habe. Fest steht : Wir kamen aus Hamburg, waren ab 1943 evakuiert zwischen Danzig und Stargard, hatten Väter in der Hamburger Direktion der Mineralölindustrie und sollten nach Kriegsende Familienangehörigen in Hannover übergeben werden zwecks Ausreise. Mindestens eines der Mädchen ( am Kriegsende ca 3-4 Jahre alt) sprach kaum deutsch sondern anglo-irisch. Das führte mich letztendlich zur Shell und zu deren Tochter, der Rhenania Ossag in Stettin-Pölitz. Aber welcher Shell-Prokurist , -Kaufmann, - Jurist kam aus Hannover oder hatte dort Verwandte ? Wer hat in der Deurag-Nerag neben dem Hamburger Prokuristen Horst von Wunsch in der Direktion gearbeitet ? Wie kann man Verbindungen norddeutscher Familien nach Irland/Nordirland ermitteln ? Wer war 'Of Reginald', den eine 1949 in Sachsenhausen ermordete Irin namens Mary-Claudette als ihren Vater bezeichnete ?
Da Hannover eine ganz wesentliche Rolle für die Entwicklung der deutschen Mineralölindustrie spielte, erhoffe ich mir Unterstützung von Fachleuten. 
Können Sie mir helfen ?
Freundlich grüßt
Monika Ehrentraut
Friedensstraße 18
65510 Idstein
Tel. 06126 - 54947




Re: [HN] Surnames BUTT, T(H)IEDEMANN

Date: 2007/02/03 21:15:51
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

You might try this site to get an idea of where the most Butt's and
Tiedemann's live now. http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx

I have done some research on the Tiedemann name in church books of
Bremervörde. This is in Kreis Cuxhaven which is also where the most Butt's
and Tiedemann's now live.

Good luck,
Paul Scheele

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> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of rsjoer(a)comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:04 PM
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> Subject: [HN] Surnames BUTT, T(H)IEDEMANN
> 
> This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this
> properly.  I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of
> Bremen on the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867.  They
> were Johann Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann)
> Butt, and his two sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich
> and Johann.  American death certificates and obituaries state they were
> born in Hannover, but not which village in the kingdom.  John's date of
> birth is March 27, 1827, and Margaretha was born in 1842/1843.
> 
> According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt
> and Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany.
> 
> Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt
> and/or Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Robin Sjoerdsma
> Sarasota, FL
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Re: [HN] Surnames BUTT, T(H)IEDEMANN

Date: 2007/02/03 21:39:10
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Robin,
    You certainly know how to present the needed information. Job well done.
I have been hunting around and cannot come up with the exact people.  I
think there were a great number of T(h)iedemann in numerous places. The
Butts are probably about the same. If you haven't  done so, you should look
search here:

http://meta.genealogy.net/

   I presume you have done these:

http://geneanet.org/
http://www.gencircles.com/

I looked around without little success.  They are in the census,  but that
doesn't seem to lead to anything definite either.

Good luck!
Barbara




> This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this
> properly.  I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of Bremen on
> the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867.  They were Johann
> Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann) Butt, and his two
> sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich and Johann.  American
> death certificates and obituaries state they were born in Hannover, but not
> which village in the kingdom.  John's date of birth is March 27, 1827, and
> Margaretha was born in 1842/1843.
> 
> According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt and
> Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany.
> 
> Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt and/or
> Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Robin Sjoerdsma
> Sarasota, FL
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[HN] FELDHAUSEN from Meyenburg, 31.01.2007

Date: 2007/02/03 21:40:25
From: Klaus Friedrichs <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>

Hello Dorothy,


Can you give us the person, which you are looking for in Meyenburg, and an approx.-date of birth, because there are various families. The oldest entry is of about 1648. 

And I assume, that this Meyenburg is situated in North-Germany, south of Bremerhaven.
Is this correct?

Maybe we will hear from you.

Klaus Friedrichs

Re: [HN] FELDHAUSEN from Meyenburg, 31.01.2007

Date: 2007/02/03 21:56:26
From: Dorothy Johnston <dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net>

I have my Feldhusen line back to Johann Velthuysen, born about 1631 and died 1721 in Meyenburg. Claus Feldhusen born 1 May 1836 and died 13 Dec 1917 in Sacramento, California was my great grandfather. I am hoping to contact living Feldhusens from my line or related ones. I can supply what happened to them after they left Germany. The name died out here in 1967 because the males did not have children. This research was done in Meyenburg by a professor/school teacher so I think it is accurate. Do you think the early spelling of the surname indicates that they came from the Netherlands? I read that some Germans moved up from Southern Germany to Holland long ago.

Dorothy

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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: [HN] FELDHAUSEN from Meyenburg, 31.01.2007


Hello Dorothy,


Can you give us the person, which you are looking for in Meyenburg, and an approx.-date of birth, because there are various families. The oldest entry is of about 1648.

And I assume, that this Meyenburg is situated in North-Germany, south of Bremerhaven.
Is this correct?

Maybe we will hear from you.

Klaus Friedrichs
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Re: [HN] FELDHAUSEN from Meyenburg, 31.01.2007

Date: 2007/02/03 22:51:09
From: Dorothy Johnston <dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net>

Yes.  Meyenburg, Hannover, Germany

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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: [HN] FELDHAUSEN from Meyenburg, 31.01.2007


Hello Dorothy,


Can you give us the person, which you are looking for in Meyenburg, and an approx.-date of birth, because there are various families. The oldest entry is of about 1648.

And I assume, that this Meyenburg is situated in North-Germany, south of Bremerhaven.
Is this correct?

Maybe we will hear from you.

Klaus Friedrichs
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Re: [HN] Surnames BUTT, T(H)IEDEMANN

Date: 2007/02/03 23:13:26
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Well presented synopsis indeed. I'd suggest working even harder from the American side, unless you are certain you have exhausted all possibilities (which is rarely the case, even when Knochenjägers think it is). With names as common as Butt and Thiedemann, you're going to need something of a bolt of good fortune to locate the ancestral village or town without more details (but don't be discouraged as anything is possible, even with Google searches).

Have you made contact with any <collateral> cousins here in the USA? In your case, the further removed, the better. Have you searched the cemetery registers, the port records on -both- sides of the pond, localized (19th century) church records stateside, the county archive and courthouse where they settled or spent most of their years, naturalization proceeding records, will and/or probate entries, early voter registers, localized history books for published biographical sketches, plus each and every census since the time of their arrival? Have you contacted the local historical society in the area they lived, to see if those folks might possess certain early records found nowhere else?

Remember, all it takes is one distant cousin with a fortuitous keepsake or letter from the past and the hunt may be over. Easier said than done, but still well within reach with the right kind of effort.

Wishing you continued success. Jb

Robin Sjoerdsma <rsjoer(a)comcast.net> on Friday, February 2, wrote:

This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this properly. I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of Bremen on the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867. They were Johann Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann) Butt, and his two sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich and Johann. American death certificates and obituaries state they were born in Hannover, but not which village in the kingdom. John's date of birth is March 27, 1827, and Margaretha was born in 1842/1843.

According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt and Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany.

Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt and/or Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search?

Thanks in advance,

Robin Sjoerdsma
Sarasota, FL

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Re: [HN] Surnames BUTT, T(H)IEDEMANN

Date: 2007/02/04 01:48:07
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Robin,

Did your John Fredrich die in Minnesota? This data from family search on John Frederick Butt has same birthdate listed as the Johan Butt you look for.


Husband's Name
John Frederick BUTT (AFN:107T-2L8)  Pedigree
Born:  27 Mar 1827  Place:  <Hanover, , , Germany>
Died:  21 Jan 1917  Place:  Tenney, Wilkin, Mn
Married:    Place:

Father:
Mother:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wife's Name (1st wife)
Metha ALPERS (AFN:107T-2CS)  Pedigree

Born:  1831  Place:  Hanover, , , Germany
Died:  1867  Place:  Hanover, , , Germany
Married:    Place:

Father:
Mother:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Children

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1.  Sex  Name
M  Frank BUTT (AFN:107T-2GF)  Pedigree

Born:  1859   Place:  , , , Germany
Died:  1938   Place:  Tolley, Ward, Nd

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2.  Sex  Name
M  Henry Nmn BUTT (AFN:107T-2D1)  Pedigree

Born: 24 Mar 1852 Place: Oschersleben, Hanover, , Germany **** wonder if this is place?
Died:  28 Feb 1931   Place:  Wheaton, Travers, Mn
Buried:  3 Mar 1931   Place:  Wheaton, Travers, Mn


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wife's Name (Second Wife)
Margaret TEDMAN (AFN:107T-2MG)  Pedigree

Born:  Abt. 1831  Place:  <Tenney, Wilkin, Mn>

Father:
Mother:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Children

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1.  Sex  Name
M  August BUTT (AFN:107T-2NN)  Pedigree

Born:  Abt. 1853   Place:  <Tenney, Wilkin, Mn>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2.  Sex  Name
F  Anne BUTT (AFN:107T-2PV)  Pedigree

Born:  Abt. 1855   Place:  <Tenney, Wilkin, Mn>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

3.  Sex  Name
F  Mary BUTT (AFN:107T-2Q3)  Pedigree

Born:  Abt. 1857   Place:  <Tenney, Wilkin, Mn>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

4.  Sex  Name
M  Frank BUTT (AFN:107T-2R9)  Pedigree

Born:  Abt. 1859   Place:  <Tenney, Wilkin, Mn>

-------------------------------

Barbie-Lew

This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this properly. I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of Bremen on the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867. They were Johann Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann) Butt, and his two sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich and Johann. American death certificates and obituaries state they were born in Hannover, but not which village in the kingdom. John's date of birth is March 27, 1827, and Margaretha was born in 1842/1843.

According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt and Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany.

Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt and/or Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search?

Thanks in advance,

Robin Sjoerdsma
Sarasota, FL
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Re: [HN] Schiff - S.S. Kronprinzessin Cecilie

Date: 2007/02/04 04:34:10
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Hi Heike

kindly use your Schulezeit Englisch with this. ;)

In a nutshell, the fate of the magnificent S.S. Crown Princess Cecilie came down to wartime rivalries, and a little bad luck. The ship as you know was originally a luxury ocean liner, part of the Norddeutscher Lloyd line that was in fierce trans-Atlantic competition with the British liners of the day. That competition became even more pointed when England and Germany declared war against each other during that period.

Due to where she found herself - in the middle of the Atlantic ocean - when WWI began, and carrying a substantial load of gold and silver, the ship's commander, Captain Pollack, fearing discovery by the British Navy and thus either confiscation or sinking, turned his vessel back to neutral American waters. He avoided detection by cleverly masquerading the ship as one of Great Britain's most famous ocean liners, the RMS Olympic, and successfully landed her in Bar Harbor, Maine. A week later, the ship was escorted to Boston where the crew was, to their dismay, interned.

Unfortunately for the crew (and Norddeutscher Lloyd), the Americans decided to enter the war on the British side a few years later. All German ships that had previously been held in American harbors in 1914 were now confiscated permanently. This included the enormous S.S. Vaterland, the Kronprinz Wilhelm, the Kaiser Wilhelm II, in addition to the Kronprinzessin Cecilie. These were some of the most impressive passenger liners of the day.

The Cecilie was soon renamed 'Mount Vernon' for American military purposes, mostly to serve the Allies as a troop transport ship towards the end of the war. When the battles ended a year later, the ex-Kronprinzessin Cecilie remained under American authority, one of the numerous spoils of war, and was moored in the backwaters of Chesapeake Bay. The ship was not put to much use from that point on, particularly sad as she was magnificently decked out with the finest adornments German craftsmenship had to offer. Some 20 years later she was offered by the U.S. government to the British as a troop-transport in WWII, but the Brits declined the offer, considering her too old to be of immediate service. So the steamer remained where she had been in Chesapeake Bay and simply rusted away her remaining days, eventually being broken up for scrap in a Baltimore port in 1940.

Basic ship specifications:

Length: 707 feet (216 m)
Beam: 72 feet (22 m)
Tonnage: 19,360 gross tons
Engines: Steam quadruple expansion machinery powering two propellers.
Service speed: 22.5 knots
Passengers: 1,970 people

Very interesting forum discussions on the ship found here
http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/10244/97772.html?1151677219
http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/10244/62313.html?1051750684

German novel based on the Kronprinzessin Cecilie
The Magic Ship, by Sandra Paretti (who is well known in Germany)
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/isbn/0892724633

Kronprinzessin Cecilie 1907 - 1940
http://www.greatoceanliners.net/kpc.html

Naval Historical Center
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/sh-civil/civsh-k/krnpzn-c.htm

In depth private page
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~gregkrenzelok/Kronprinzessin%20Cecilie.html

Additional photos
http://www.maritimequest.com/liners/kronprinzessin_cecilie_page_1.htm

Postcard collections
http://web.greatships.net:81/kronprinzessincecilie.html
http://www.rms-republic.com/details_expnimp4.html

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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:37:17 -0500
Sender: Archives & Archivists <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: POW camps in the US

No. POW's in WWI in the US were held but from the Pacific theater - Guam and
Hawaii. They were moved to Fort Douglas Utah and later Fort McPherson Ga.
One U-boat crew was also held at Fort McPherson but transports were not used
for POW removal. It was considered but the US involvement was only from
April 1917 to November 1918.

Interned civilians (German and Austro-Hungarian civilian males) were held
primarily at Fort Oglethorpe GA and Fort Douglas, Utah, in a program of
selective internment. However there were some held by INS at Angel Island
and in facilities in the east. Crews of interned merchant vessels were also
held. This program was administered by the Justice Department and the
incarceration by the US Army. The last interned civilians were released in
April 1920, a hold over from the Red Scare. Actually the last one released
was in the early 1950's, held at St. Elizabeth's hospital as mentally ill.
There were at least 21 held at St. Elizabeth's Hospital after 1920.

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From: Wick, Charles Harrison [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:27 AM
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Subject: POW camps in the US

Was the same done during WWI?

Harrison

C. Harrison S. Wick, M.L.S., M.A.
Archivist, Head of Public & Technical Services
Black Film Center & Archives
Indiana University
Bloomington, Indiana

Source: http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0207c&L=archives&T=0&P=19831

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I can tell you that records pertaining to WWI are rather limited in the U.S., many being held at archives at individual states level. Unfortunately many military service personnel records kept at the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis were destroyed in a massive fire in 1973.

So what became of your great grandfather Daniel from the time of capture? Please tell us.

Jb

From: "Oliver Bund" <ollibund(a)gmx.de>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover Mailingliste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Schiff - S.S. Kronprinzessin Cecilie
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:02:19 +0100

Hallo Liste und Schiffsprofies,

gestern bekam ich durch Zufall folgende Nachricht:

Gestern Nachmittag war ich in der
Bibliothek und das Buch über Hot Springs, North Carolina war da.  Ich
weiß nicht, warum sie nicht angerufen haben oder wie lange das Buch
da gesessen hat aber auf Seite 100 ist eine Liste der Besatzung des
Passagierschiffes, S.S. "Kronprinzessin Cecilie" vom Norddeutschen
Lloyd und darunter steht Brunssen, Daniel, 3. Ingenieur.  Das Schiff
wurde am 6 April, 1917 in Boston, Massachusetts beschlagnahmt und die
Besatzung festgenommen.  Sie kamen im Juni 1917 mit dem Zug nach Hot
Springs, North Carolina (nicht weit von Asheville), eigentlich ein
Kurort.  Im August 1918 wurden alle außer ein paar Schwerkranken nach
Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia bei Chattanooga, Tennessee versetzt, wo die
"echten" Kriegsgefangenen interniert waren.

Dieser Daniel Brunssen war mein Urgroßvater und nun würde mich antrürlich alles rund um das Schiff, seine Aufgaben als 3. Ingenieur etc. interessieren, natürlich auch, wie war die Kriegsgefangenschaft dort, gibt es dort noch Unterlagen, die man evtl. anfordern kann. Kann mir evtl. jemand Buchtips geben, wo ich ansonsten etwas nachlesen kann ? Ich habe fast 3 Jahre danach gesucht und nun habe ich das Gefühl, es kommt etwas Licht ins Dunkel....:-))

Viele Grüße und schon mal DANKE

Heike (Bund)

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Re: [HN] Schiff - S.S. Kronprinzessin Cecilie

Date: 2007/02/04 14:13:41
From: Achim Kortum <Joachim.Kortum(a)t-online.de>

Moin, moin Heike,
ich fand einige Daten über das Schiff   S.S. Kronprinzessin Cecilie in Norddeutschen Lloyd von Hans Jürgen Witthöft 1973:
Dampfer, 
Baujahr/Stapellauf: 1907
werft: Vulkan Stettin
BRT: 19503
PS: 45 000
Speed: 23,4 kn
1917 in Boston von den USA beschlagnahmt " Mount Vernon" 
1940 abgewrackt
Die Geschichte der Deutschen Passagierschiffart Band 2 von Arnold Kludas, 1994
Länge über alles: 215,34 m
Breite: 22,02 m
Tiefgang: 12,33 m
Passagiere 1. Klasse: 508, 2. Klasse: 260, 3. Klasse 798,
Besatzung: 650 Mann
Trat am 6.8.1907 ihre Jungfernreise nach New York an. 
Bild auf Seite 173, 174, 175, 178, 179, 183, 186, 193, 195, 196, 197.
Weitere Informationen könntest Du unter:
Deutsches Schiff-Fahrtsmuseum
- Bibliothek -
Hans-Scharoun-Platz 1
D-27568 Bremerhaven
Tel: +49-471-48 207 22/44
FAX: +49-471-48 207 55
E-Mail: bibliothek(a)dsm.de
finden. 
Viele Grüße und weiterhin sehr guten Forschererfolg wünscht Dir
Achim

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Rotenbeek 33
24211 Postfeld
Tel. 4342-83511
www.joachim-kortum.de

[HN] Suche Niedersächsisches Jahrbuch Nr. 45 , 1973

Date: 2007/02/04 15:51:21
From: AFlauss <AFlauss(a)aol.com>

Hallo,
 
besitzt jemand das Niedersächsische Jahrbuch 45, von 1973?
 
Viele Grüsse
Andreas

[HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois, USA

Date: 2007/02/04 21:00:25
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Looking for information about the ancestors and early life of my gggfather, Henry Miehe, b. 17 Jul 1807 in Hannover. He emigrated to U.S.A. in 1852 on the Hannah Crocker leaving Bremen, arriving in New Orleans, with wife Christine Elizabeth Heumann [Hamman, Heinemen?] and 6 of his 7 children. Christine was born in Hildesheim or Hannover on 17 May 1809.They settled in Carlinville, Macoupin County, Illinois where Henry died 1 May 1882 and Christine died 16 Jun 1895. They were members of the German Evangelical Church.

[HN] Heuman/Heumann Hildesheim/Hannover

Date: 2007/02/04 21:08:26
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Seeking information about my gggmother Christine Elizabeth Heuman (possibly Hamann or Heineman) b. 17 May 1809 in Hildesheim or Hannover. She married Henry Miehe (1807-1882). They had 7 known children and emigrated to the United States in 1852 with 6 of the 7. Settled in Carlinville, Macoupin County, Illinois where Christine died 16 Jun 1895. 
Also wondering if there is any connection with a Henrietta Heuman who married a Charles G. Miehe (both born in Hannover) and later emigrated to St. Louis, Missouri, USA.

[HN] Miehe 1834-1906 Sohlde, Germany to USA

Date: 2007/02/04 21:15:19
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Seeking knowledge of ancestors and early life of John Henry Frederick Miehe, b. 13 Aug 1834, Sohlde, Prussia. Emigrated to USA around 1848 to Macoupin County, Illinois, where he married Rebecca A. Jacobs (b. in Indiana). They settled in Palmyra in Macoupin County and had 8 known children. John died 4 Nov 1906 in Palmyra. I am particularly interested in knowing if there was a connection between John and Henry Miehe (1807-1882) who was born in Hannover and also emigrated to Macoupin County, Illinois.

[HN] Sohlde, Hildesheim, Hannover 1807-1834

Date: 2007/02/04 21:19:20
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Could someone help me with the geographical/political relationship among Sohlde, Hildesheim and Hannover in 1807-1809, especially the distance between them? Would this have changed by 1834?

Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg .Teil, 7 + 8

Date: 2007/02/04 21:56:26
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Re: Schwarze Chronik Hamburg, parts 7 + 8

Looking at these police ledger transcripts for 1931 and 1932, one can see and practically feel the enmity between the National Socialists and Communists brewing towards an explosion. The competing factions were in fact wrestling for control of Germany itself, and the hatred between the two political factions was deadly. Interesting that the police invariably seemed to lower their guns at the Reds (or was it vice versa?), and not the National Socialists. Hmmm... leaves one to wonder why.

At least no American gangsters show up this time, although 250 kilos of illegal morphine seized just before the holidays certainly raises an eyebrow (as it would anywhere). Nice/sad to see we're not the only fools plagued by these kinds of criminal abberations.

- 1931 -

Jan 26 Bloody road battle in Geesthacht between communists and National Socialists. 2 dead, several severely wounded.

Aug 27 Police patrolman Perske shot by communists in front of house on Chateauneuf street.

Dec 05  250 kilos of morphine seized in Freihafen. Drug affair [Del Gracio]

Dec 13  Bloody communist riots at the Hamburg Cathedral, 5 hurt, 1 dead.

- 1932 -

Apr 10 Heinz Brands and Harry Hahn (NSDAP/National Socialists) shot by communists on Ausschläger way.

May 19 Bloody collisions between Nazis and communists in front of local restaurant Zum Anker in Schaarmarket. 1 dead.

Jun 17 Heavy gunfight between communists and police in St. Georg [quarter]. Police patrolmen Vagt and Helmet shot down, both deceased.

Jul 17 Bloody Sunday in Altonaer. Serious gunfight on the occasion of a SA [Nazi Stormtroop] procession between police and the Red Front Fighter League [communists], 16 dead, over 60 wounded.

Aug 01 KP (Communist Party) official George Rödl shot in gunfight between police and communists at the Rademachergang. Patrolman Haase deceased after being shot in the belly.

Oct 12  Police Captain Lauckenmann shot by communists in Eilbeck Park.

Oct 31  SS-man Cyranka shot in St. Georg [district/quarter].

Revealing peek back into the affairs of the police in one North German city at this most tumultuous period.

Jb

PS. HPA question: Do the Hamburg ledgers list the NS as both "Nationalsozialisten" and "Nazis"? If the abbreviated form is listed in some of the pages, I'm surprised I do not see "Kommis" also, as there was little love loss between the Reds and the police [and since the "Sozis" avoided most street battles and martial conflict in general, it's not surprising there is hardly a peep from their ranks in all this].

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[HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/04 22:21:07
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

A few months ago I noticed someone asking if the nickname for Jürgen was Hans.  No, it is not.  Jürgen and Georg are forms of the same name, nickname would merely be the shortened form Jürg (pronounced Yerk in English).  So I happened to mention to John that perhaps I should write a posting about German nicknames for those novices on the list or for anyone not too familiar with German.  He keeps reminding me of this - so here it is:
These are only some of the most common in the Hannover-Niedersachsen area. (I do not know much about them in other areas of Germany - e.g., in the south they often add an "l" as in Hansel and Gretel.)
Johannes, Johann = Hans;  Friedrich = Fritz (even the King of Prussia Friedrich der Grosse was called, lovingly, "der alte Fritz");  Heinrich = Henni;  Wilhelm = Willi;  Albrecht = Albi;  Ludwig, Ludolph = Lude;  Theodor = Teddi; Ulrich= Uli; Hermann = Harm.
Anna = Anni;  Marie = Mimi; Dorothea = Dorchen or Doris;  Caroline & Adelina = Line; (remember final "e" in german is pronounced like "a" in "sofa" - hence pronounced like "Leena"); Elizabeth = Lise;  Margarethe = Gretchen or Grete; Adelheit = Adi; Eleanor = Elli (never Nellie); Johanne = Hanne; Magdalene was often contracted into Marlene.
In older records Harm was often a given name, not a nickname.  You will often see names ending in "-ke" - this was a diminutive, not a nickname, as in Engelke ("little angel) or Segelke
("little blessing"), or Lüdeke.  Another very old Low German name you might come across is Ilsebe - the equivalent of modern Elizabeth.  August and Gustav were never (to my knowledge) contracted into Gus, as in the US,  
Remember, also, that children were given multiple names (each godparent had to be represented) - so the best way to learn which name a person lived by is to check the death record, obit or gravestone.  More often than not it was the second or even third baptismal name.  I have one family in my AL in which every male's first name was Johann!!!
I hope this clears up some of the mysteries for you.     Jane

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Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois, USA

Date: 2007/02/04 22:29:15
From: pharmaxx <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Paddy
There is no connection with the names you are seeking information and the names of my ancestors. The greatest similarity is location. I am looking for Julius Wilhelm Burgdorf who said he was from Hildesheim in Hanover. Like your ancestors he came to the US thru New Orleans in 1859 but he settled there. I am from New Orleans and now live in Chesterfield Mo, a St. Louis suburb and I know the Illinois places you mention are just across the river. Do you reside there? Just thought we might compare notes as to our research sources.
Max






> Looking for information about the ancestors and early life of my gggfather, Henry Miehe, b. 17 Jul 1807 in Hannover. He emigrated to U.S.A. in 1852 on the Hannah Crocker leaving Bremen, arriving in New Orleans, with wife Christine Elizabeth Heumann [Hamman, Heinemen?] and 6 of his 7 children. Christine was born in Hildesheim or Hannover on 17 May 1809.They settled in Carlinville, Macoupin County, Illinois where Henry died 1 May 1882 and Christine died 16 Jun 1895. They were members of the German Evangelical Church.
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[HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/04 22:40:06
From: Klaus Friedrichs <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>

Hello Dorothy,

I was not able to detect your Claus born at the date, which you indicated.

Please contact me directly.

Klaus Friedrichs


Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois, USA

Date: 2007/02/04 23:29:32
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Seeking knowledge of ancestors and early life of John Henry Frederick Miehe, b. 13 Aug 1834, Sohlde, Prussia. Emigrated to USA around 1848 to Macoupin County, Illinois, where he married Rebecca A. Jacobs (b. in Indiana). They settled in Palmyra in Macoupin County and had 8 known children. John died 4 Nov 1906 in Palmyra. I am particularly interested in knowing if there was a connection between John and Henry Miehe (1807-1882) who was born in Hannover and also emigrated to Macoupin County, Illinois.

It is obvious you've done a lot of background investigation already. If both Miehe gents show up in an area like Macoupin County at roughly the same time, it's almost a slam-dunk there is a familial connection of some sort, more so if it was in the town of Carlinville itself or the immediate surrounding area (not a guarantee mind you, just a strong likelihood). I wouldn't be nearly as confident if their names were Schmidt or Schulz or Wagner though.

Looking for information about the ancestors and early life of my gggfather, Henry Miehe, b. 17 Jul 1807 in Hannover. He emigrated to U.S.A. in 1852 on the Hannah Crocker leaving Bremen, arriving in New Orleans, with wife Christine Elizabeth Heumann [Hamman, Heinemen?] and 6 of his 7 children. Christine was born in Hildesheim or Hannover on 17 May 1809.They settled in Carlinville, Macoupin County, Illinois where Henry died 1 May 1882 and Christine died 16 Jun 1895. They were members of the German Evangelical Church.

Have you already done a LDS FHLC place search for Hildesheim, to see what records may exist in their film and fiche holdings for that area? Likewise for Söhlde, although it does not seem nearly as well covered (as the chips often fly).

Right off the bat you could check the Kingdom of Hannover 1852 census for any family surnames for Hildesheim, since that census enumerates households by individual names. The city of Hannover would amount to quite a project though (due to its enormity), at least without knowing the section (quarter or district) in which they resided. As for the town of Hildesheim, some of your ancestors may have been included in the 1852 Volkszählungen just prior to emigrating to Illinois, or may have left relatives behind there. The censuses of 1833 to 1848 may also be of value, albeit in a more limited way, as there you will be looking for heads of households only. Additional censuses for Hildesheim include ones for 1855, 1858, 1861 and 1864, but this may be too late for you and yours.

Hildesheim is also covered by many other record types at in the FHLC catalog.

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LDS FHLC: Germany, Preußen, Hannover, Hildesheim - Census

Volkszählungen, 1809-1864 Hildesheim (Hannover)
Mikrofilme aufgenommen von Manuskripten im Stadtarchiv Hildesheim

FHL INTL Film 2063756
101-21-22 Nr. 6-11
Volkszählungen: 1835, 1842, 1845, 1848, 1852

FHL INTL Film 2063757
101-22-23 Nr. 11-16
Volkszählungen: 1852, 1854-1866, 1855 1858

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LDS FHLC: Germany, Preußen, Hannover, Söhlde - Church records

Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1874
Evangelische Kirche Söhlde (Kr. Marienburg)
Mikrofilm aufgenommen von Manuskripten im Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover
Mit: Zivilstandsregister / Ödelum (Hannover)

Parish records of baptisms, marriages and deaths of Söhlde, Hannover, Germany

FHL INTL Film 1742131
Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1853-1874

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LDS FHLC: Germany, Preußen, Hannover, Söhlde - Civil registration

Zivilstandsregister, 1804-1809 Söhlde (Hannover). Standesamt
Mikrofilm aufgenommen von Manuskripten im Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover
Mit: Zivilstandsregister / Ödelum (Hannover)

Civil registration of births, marriages and deaths of Söhlde, Hannover, Germany

FHL INTL Film 1742131
Geburten, Heiraten, Tote 1804-1809

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Once you have pinpointed their specific locales, you can attempt to tap the appropriate German archive that oversees that specific area [town or district] for additional records.

There is also the Koppe's 1852 Census Project, if you think it might be of help to you: http://www.hist.de

Unless you have already done it, I might suggest a very thorough exploration of the records at the Macoupin county level, as that is exactly the kind of place where one will find so many revealing clues as to a family's antecedence. You may even spot dealings between the two Miehe men you mentioned in various land deed records, or possibly court proceedings. With a bit of luck, one of them (or their immediate descendants) will have paid to publish a small "mugbook" account in a local history book, which often yields amazing background info. On and on it goes.

Wishing you continued success.

Jb

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[HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2007/02/05 03:00:48
From: cerasmi <cerasmi(a)juno.com>

Hi Dorothy Johnston,
I am descended from Anna Feldheusen who was born in Meyenburg in 1671 and
died in 1727. She was married to Johann Hinrich Erasmi from whom I am
directly descended. Anna's father was a Johann Velthuysen. It is
interesting to me and I am happy share what little info I have with you.
Sincerely, Charles Erasmi, Virginia, USA

Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/05 05:25:58
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

And don't forget Heinz for Heinrich.
Don


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    Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:21:16 -0500
    From: "jeswansong(a)earthlink.net" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
 Subject: [HN] Nicknames
      To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net


A few months ago I noticed someone asking if the nickname for Jürgen
was Hans.  No, it is not.  Jürgen and Georg are forms of the same
name, nickname would merely be the shortened form Jürg (pronounced
Yerk in English).  So I happened to mention to John that perhaps I
should write a posting about German nicknames for those novices on
the list or for anyone not too familiar with German.  He keeps
reminding me of this - so here it is:
These are only some of the most common in the Hannover-Niedersachsen
area. (I do not know much about them in other areas of Germany -
e.g., in the south they often add an "l" as in Hansel and Gretel.)
Johannes, Johann = Hans;  Friedrich = Fritz (even the King of Prussia
Friedrich der Grosse was called, lovingly, "der alte Fritz");
Heinrich = Henni;  Wilhelm = Willi;  Albrecht = Albi;  Ludwig,
Ludolph = Lude;  Theodor = Teddi; Ulrich= Uli; Hermann = Harm.
Anna = Anni;  Marie = Mimi; Dorothea = Dorchen or Doris;  Caroline &
Adelina = Line; (remember final "e" in german is pronounced like "a"
in "sofa" - hence pronounced like "Leena"); Elizabeth = Lise;
Margarethe = Gretchen or Grete; Adelheit = Adi; Eleanor = Elli (never
Nellie); Johanne = Hanne; Magdalene was often contracted into Marlene.
In older records Harm was often a given name, not a nickname.  You
will often see names ending in "-ke" - this was a diminutive, not a
nickname, as in Engelke ("little angel) or Segelke
("little blessing"), or Lüdeke.  Another very old Low German name you
might come across is Ilsebe - the equivalent of modern Elizabeth.
August and Gustav were never (to my knowledge) contracted into Gus,
as in the US,
Remember, also, that children were given multiple names (each
godparent had to be represented) - so the best way to learn which
name a person lived by is to check the death record, obit or
gravestone.  More often than not it was the second or even third
baptismal name.  I have one family in my AL in which every male's
first name was Johann!!!
I hope this clears up some of the mysteries for you.     Jane

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Re: [HN] Sohlde, Hildesheim, Hannover 1807-1834

Date: 2007/02/05 06:26:33
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

Hello Paddy,
   Although Hannover, Hildesheim amd Söhlde are geographically close
together(within 15 or 20 miles of each other), in 1807 the city of
Hannover was
the capitol of what had been the electorate of Hannover (short name), while
Hildesheim and Söhlde were in the Kingdom of Westphalia which had been created
out of several smaller principalities by Napoleon.  Napoleon's brother, Jerôme
Bonaparte, was the King of Westphalia.  I believe Napoleon also controlled
Hanover at that time.
   In 1815, after Napoleon's first defeat, the Kingdom of Hannover was
formed by
the Congress of Vienna.   The city of Hildesheim was included in the territory
of the Kingdom of Hannover.   I believe Söhlde was in the Duchy of
Braunschweig.
   This situation persisted untill 1866 when Hannover and most of the other
north German states were annexed by Prussia.
Don Roddy

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 Subject: [HN] Sohlde, Hildesheim, Hannover  1807-1834
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Could someone help me with the geographical/political relationship
among Sohlde, Hildesheim and Hannover in 1807-1809, especially the
distance between them? Would this have changed by 1834?
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Re: [HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2007/02/05 06:36:51
From: Dorothy Johnston <dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net>


Hi, Charles. I am so glad to hear from you. Is it possible that your Anna was a child of my Johann Velthuysen and named after her mother? This is all I have on that family: Johann Velthuysen, born 1631, location?, and died 1721 in Meyenburg. He was married to Anna ___who died in 1705. So that would make Johann our common ancestor. Do you know any more about that particular family? Did they come from Holland to Northern Germany? The spelling of the name as it changed down the ages is interesting.
You can write to me at dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net.
I live in Issaquah, WA. My Feldhusens went directly to California from Germany.


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Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: [HN] (kein Betreff)


Hi Dorothy Johnston,
I am descended from Anna Feldheusen who was born in Meyenburg in 1671 and
died in 1727. She was married to Johann Hinrich Erasmi from whom I am
directly descended. Anna's father was a Johann Velthuysen. It is
interesting to me and I am happy share what little info I have with you.
Sincerely, Charles Erasmi, Virginia, USA
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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/05 08:11:40
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,

I just wanted to write because maternal family line includes the surname FELDHAUS.

Did you know there is actually a village called Feldhausen?

http://www.fallingrain.com/world/GM/6/Feldhausen4.html

Meyenburg to Feldhausen, Niedersachsen, DE.
Total Est. Time:  1 hour, 22 minutes
Total Est. Distance: 63.77 miles

My mom remembers her dad saying that his ancesters were Holland-Dutch...

I was educated by wonderful hannoverl listies..that huerlette/huermann worked farming peat in Holland to suppliment family inccome. Forgive spelling here.. Hollengangers??

I have a quandry in my Feldhaus resarch..

---------
Lucas Feldhaus + Marg. Adelheid Toebben??
1 Sept 1859
St. Louis, Missouri, USA


(source)
1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870935/Page 59/1854-1869, 1 Sep 1859, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.

"Prima Septembris in matrimonium canjuncti sunt Lucas Feldhaus**** filus Joh. Henrici Feldhaus et Helena [Schnelten]****una cum Margaretha Adelheid fila Johan Henrici et Helena [Tobel] *** coram infra scripti et testibus Henricio [H?oene?* et Rosina Toebel. Jos Weber S.J."

Lucas FELDHAUS (b.16 Jul 1825-Läehden,Elmsland,Neidersachsen,DE;d.2 Feb 1883-St Louis City,Mo. USA) (3GGF)

sp: Margaret Adelheid TOEBBEN (b.16 Jan 1839-Helt,Elmsland,N,DE;m.1 Sep 1859;d.11 Jan 1923-St Louis City,Mo. USA) (3GGM)


Lukas Feldhaus and Adelaide Tobben had several children and interestingly the surname Schnelt/Schnelten appear in the childrens baptismal records at the Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis, MO., USA.
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J Bernard FELDHAUS
(b.Sep 1862-St Louis City,Mo. USA;d.16 Aug 1863-St. Louis City,Mo. USA)

Godparents
Regina Raive/Rawe/Rove/Bove?
Bernard Tobben

Source*
BAPTISM:
1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870934 /3/23, 15 Sep 1862, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.

BURIAL:
2. Death Register. Not positive but believe the Bernard Feldhaus listed in the St. Josephs (Shrine) burial register is my J. Bernard Feldhaus. The cemetery listed was Holy Trinity.

------------------------------------------

Martin FELDHAUS [2GF]
(b.10 Nov 1864-St Louis City,Mo. USA;d.26 Jan 1927-St Louis City,Mo. USA)

Parents:
Lucas Feldhaus
Adelheid Tobben

Godparents
Martin Meyer* (see notes)
Helena Adelheid MEST

sp: Catherine Appollonia GROTEPAHLER
(b.9 Feb 1863-SLC,Mo. USA;m.12 Jan 1888;d.19 Apr 1939-St Louis City,Mo. USA)

BAPTISM:
2. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870934 /3/Page/102, 13 Nov 1864, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.

DEATH:
3. Obituary (St. Louis Post Dispatch), 25 Jan 1927, St. Louis County Libray, 1640 South Lindbergh, St. Louis, Mo. 63131. "FELDHAUS-On Thursday, Jan. 27, 1927 at 12 noon, Martin Feldhaus, beloved husband of Catherine Feldhaus, beloved father of Robert, Leo, Tess, Miazie, Francis, Clara and Gertrude Feldhaus, Adlaide Mercer (nee Feldhaus) and our dear brother, uncle and grandfather. Funeral from family residence, Carson Road Saturday, January 28 at 8:30 am to St. Anna Church, Normandy. Internment Calvary Cemetary. Deceased was a member of the Holy Name Sodality, St. Anna's Parish. St. Joseph's Branch, C. K. of A. No 427, St. John Berchman Acolythial Society of St. Josephs's Parish. Members of Holy Name Society will meet at school hall 8 p.m. to go to the residence of late brother."

BURIAL:
4. Calvary Cemetary (main author), Calvary Cemetary, Calvary Plate Image Report And Card.
-------
Missouri online death certificates:
Name - Martin Feldhans
Birth - 10 Nov. 1864
Death - 26 Jan. 1927
Wife - Catherine
Street - Carson Road
Father - Luke Feldhaus
Mother - Helena Alfard????

Who is Helena Alfard???
I am 100% certain that this is my 2GF Martin Feldhaus.

I believe Lucas Feldhaus died in 1883 Did his wife remarry?


_________________________


J Herman FELDHAUS
(b.20 Nov1866-St Louis City,Mo. USA;d.Jan 1937)

Godparents
Joanne Bernard Schnelt/Schneld*****
Margaretha Tobben


sp: Elizabeth POHLMAN (b.1870-Illinois;d.6 Jan 1944-Saint Josephs Home,St. Charles,Mo. USA)


BAPTISM: - Herman
1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870934 /3/174, 20 Nov 1866, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.

__________________________________________



Joseph Bernard FELDHAUS
(b.5 Jul 1869-St Louis City,Mo. USA;d.Jan 1932)

Godparents
Bernard Tranel
Marg Eliz Schnelt*****

sp; Anna Sophia FOSHAGE
(b.12 Sep 1874-Cape Girardeau,MO. USA;b.22 Jul 1947-Calvary Cemetery,Saint Louis,Mo,USA)

BAPTISM-Joseph
1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870934 /3/258, 5 Jul 1869, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.
________________________


Anne Margaret FELDHAUS
(b.Feb 1872-St Louis City,Mo. USA;d.27 Aug 1872-St Louis City,Mo. USA)

Godparents
Anna Marg. Brummer* (See Notes)
Caspari Raave?

Source*
BAPTISM:
1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870934/3/342, 4 Feb 1872, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.

------------------------------------------

Anthony Herman FELDHAUS
(b.10 Aug 1874-St Louis City,Mo. USA;d.21 Oct 1917-St Louis City,Mo. USA)

Godparents
Herman Brummer
Maria Hemmen***????


BAPTISM:
1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870934 /4/22, 11 Aug 1874, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.

DEATH:
2. Obituary (St. Louis Post Dispatch), 23 Oct 1917, St. Louis County Libray, 1640 South Lindbergh, St. Louis, Mo. 63131. "FELDHAUS- On Sunday, Oct 21, 1917 at 9:15AM. Anton Feldhaus, beloved son of Adelie Feldhaus (nee Tobben)***, and brother of Martin*******************************, Herman and Joseph Feldhaus, at the age of 43 years 2 months. Funeral will take place from residence 922 Mound Street, on Wednesday, Oct. 24, at 1:30PM to St. Joseph Church, thence to Calvary Cemetary."

BURIAL:
3. Calvary Cemetary (main author), Calvary Cemetary, Calvary Plate Image Report And Card.

Mssouri Death certificate online:
Name - Anton Feldhaus
Birth - 18 August 1874
Death - 21 October 1917
Father - Louis Feldhaus
Mother - M. Toben


--------------------------------------------------

J Wilhelm FELDHAUS
(b.24 Sep 1876-St Louis City,Mo. USA;d.2 Jan 1904-St Louis City,Mo. USA)

Godparents
Maria Addel TRANEL
Will Hemmen****

Source*

BAPTISM:
1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870934 /4/97, 26 Sep 1876, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.

DEATH:
2. Obituary (St. Louis Post Dispatch), 3 Jan 1904, St. Louis County Libray, 1640 South Lindbergh, St. Louis, Mo. 63131. "Entered into rest on Saturday, Jan 2, 1904, at 7:45AM. William Feldhaus, beloved son of Adline Feldhaus (nee Tobben) and brother of Martin, Herman, Joseph, Anton and brother-in-law of Catherine, Elizabeth and Anna Feldhaus, aged 26 years and 3 months. Funeral will take place from residence, 1218 Clinton Street on Monday Jan. 4, 1904 at 1 PM, to St. Laborius Church, thence to Calvary Cemetary, Friends are invited to attend. Deceased was a member of Branch 427, C. K. of A."

BURIAL:
3. Calvary Cemetary (main author), Calvary Cemetary, Calvary Plate Image Report And Card.
---------------------------------------


John FELDHAUS -
(b.26 Dec 1878-St Louis City,Mo. USA;d.22 Jul 1879-St. Louis City,Mo. USA)

Godparents
oanne B. Nees? Kniese?
Maria Schnelt/Schneld*****

Source*

BAPTISM:
1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870934 /4/163, 29 Dec 1878, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.
------------------------------------------

Other Notes:

Margaretha Adelheid Toebben - (Lucas Feldhaus wife)

Obituary (St. Louis Post Dispatch), 10 Jan 1923, St. Louis County Libray, 1640 South Lindbergh, St. Louis, Mo. 63131

FELDHAUS-Entered into rest on Thursday, Jan. 11, 1923 at 5 am. Mrs. Adelaide Feldhaus of 922 Mound Street dearly beloved mother of Martin****************************, Herman, and Joseph Feldhaus, and our dear monther-in-law, grandmother and great-grand-mother, aged 84** years. The funeral takes place on Saturday, Jan. 13, at 7:30 am from the residence of her son, 226 Indiana Avenue, to St. Joseph's Church, thence to Calvary Cemetary."

Missouri online death certificate info:
Name - Adelheid Feldhaus
Birth - Abt. 84 (circa 1839)**
Death - 11 January 1923
Father - Lucas Feldhaus?????
Mother - Adelheid Tobin????

Huh?? At age 84 I had thought this was Lucas Feldhaus' wife...not daughter


Margaretha Adelheid Toebben
BORN: Jan 16, 1839, Helte (parish in Bokeloh)
DIED: Jan 11, 1923, St. Louis, buried at Calvary
PARENTS: Johan Heinrich TOEBBEN & Helena WOLTERS



--------------------------------------

Catherine Appollonia GROTEPAHLER (Martin Feldhaus wife)

"FELDHAUS, CATHERINE [C] - 4434 Carson rd., Wed., April 19, 1939, 1:15 a.m. beloved wife of the ate Martin Feldhaus, dear mother of Leo, Tess, Mary, Francis, Gertrude Feldhaus,Mrs. Addie Mercier, Mrs. Clara Butz and the late Robert Feldhaus, our dear motehr-in-law and grandmother. Funeral Fri., April 21, 8:30 a.m. from Cullen & Kelly Funeral Home, 7267 Natural Bridge, to St. Ann's church, Normandy. Internment Calvary Cemetery."

--------------------------------

Elizabeth POHLMAN- (Herman Feldhaus wife)

Obituary, 6 Jan 1944. "FELDHAUS, ELIZABETH (nee Pohlman)-Fortified with the last rites of the Catholic Church at St. Joseph's Home, St. Charles, Mo., wife of the late Herman Feldhaus, beloved mother of Lawrence,John, Sgt. Francis Feldhaus, Adelaide Huetsch and Helen Schober, our dear mother-in-law, grandmother and sister-in-law, ag 75 years. Funeral Fri. Jan 7, 1944, from H.C. Dallmeyer and Sons' Funeral Parlors, St. Charles,Mo., to St. Joseph's Home, 723 Clay St., 8:30 am. Internment Calvary Cemetery. Member of Francis de Sales Church, Christian Mothers and Third Order of St. Francis."

--------------------------------------------

Anna FOSHAGE-J (oseph Feldhaus wife)

Obituary (St. Louis Post Dispatch), 19 Jul 1947, St. Louis County Libray, 1640 South Lindbergh, St. Louis, Mo. 63131.

"FELDHAUS ANNA SOPHIA-(nee FOSHAGE) - 1037 Tillie, fortified with Sacraments of Holy Mother Church, Fri. July 18, 1947, 10:30 P.M., dearly beloved wife of the late Joseph FELDHAUS dear mother of Charles J., Joseph R., Arthur J. and Marie FELDHAUS and Mrs. Elizabeth Sargent., Mrs. Catherine Barton and dear sister of William FOSHAGE, and our dear mother-in-law, sister-in-law, aunt, grandmother and great-grandmother in her 73rd year.

Funeral Tues., July 22, 9:30 a.m. for the PROVOST Mortuary, 3710 N. Grand Blvd., to Holy Cross Church, thence to Calvary Cemetery."

-----------------------------------------------------------

Martin Meier ****
Lucas and Adelheid Tobben-Feldhaus brother in law.

Source*

1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870935 Page 77 1854-1869, 7 Feb 1861, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA.

"Die Septimo Februaru [usitates] Eclesco Sancto Solemnitatibas observetis in matrimonium fee [nolcseset] Martinus Meier fil Stephani Mier et Maria Eva Sandbote una cum Maria Gesina Toben felia Henricici Toben et Maria Wolter, coram [meinper] Scripito et testibus Antonio Meier et a Margaretha Adelheid Toben. Jos Weber SJ."

-------------------------------------------

Bernard Tobben
Adelheid's brother and hsuband to Anna Margaret Bruemmer

Sourse*

MARRIAGE EVENT:

1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870935 Page 67 1854-1869, 17 Apr 1860, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA. "Decimo Septima Aprilis observato sancto Eclesia ritie in matromonium conjunsei Bernarcum [Doeben] fil Henrici [Doeben] et Maria Helena Wolters un cum Anna Margaretha filia Joh Bernarci [Brumer] et Maria Elisabetha Wittage, coram me et testibus Lucas Feldhaus et Gesina [Thom]. Jos Weber S.J."

-----------------------------------------------------------------


I am so confused right now.. I had thought all my research jived..

Who is Helena Alford??? Did they mean to write Marg. Aldeh.?? I don't know?? Did they mean to write Helena Schnelten?? who was Lucas' mom???

Send tightrope!!!

Barbie-Lew

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[HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung

Date: 2007/02/05 11:31:34
From: M-Horsley <horsley(a)teleos-web.de>

Michael Horsley
PF 200134
31669 Bückeburg
 
Wer kann mir bei der Erweiterung meiner Daten helfen? auf der Webseite
die hier als Link angegeben ist findet Ihr alles was ich bisher habe 
 
danke 
 
Who can help me with the extension of my data? on the web page those as
left indicated is here finds to her everything which I so far has 
 
thanks 
 
Michael
 
Link: http://www.noni-onlineweb.de.vu/ 

Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg .Teil, 7 + 8

Date: 2007/02/05 11:54:02
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

"J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
> Re: Schwarze Chronik Hamburg, parts 7 + 8
... 
> PS. HPA question: Do the Hamburg ledgers list the NS as both 
> "Nationalsozialisten" and "Nazis"? If the abbreviated form is listed in some 
> of the pages, I'm surprised I do not see "Kommis" also, as there was little 
> love loss between the Reds and the police [and since the "Sozis" avoided 
> most street battles and martial conflict in general, it's not surprising 
> there is hardly a peep from their ranks in all this].


Hi J b,

first thanks for doing the translation. The other question about the official use of "Nazi" or "Nationalsozialisten" I cannot answer it concerning the normal use in the times of the events. The book of Ebeling was first published in 1969 and in these times I can tell by own witness it was common in speech and also often in written textes to use the diminuishing form of the parties on the "-i" at the end. But, especially the abbreviation "Kommis" hasn`t been too much in use at any time in Germany and seems to be a shortening only of Anglo-Saxon language. A reason might be, that after the war they didn`t play anymore a political role in the western parts of Germany, where I grew up. In the other part they should not have had a reason to make themselves smaller by using a more tiny name from the enemy. Maybe also simply be the ending plural-"s" did not fit to the "stream of speech" of German language.

The other point of social democratic avoidance of participation in street battles cannot be confirmed. For example "Reichsbanner", who did the fight with communists in Geesthacht was an to greater parts social democratic inspired movement. The lexical definition of Reichsbanner:
"Reichsbannner Schwarz-Rot-Gold (kurz Reichsbanner), 1924 gegründeter polit. Kampfverband zur Verteidigung der Weimarer Rep" (Quelle: Brockhaus in 16 Bänden). 
As National Socialists and Communists both had the declared aim, to destroy this Weimar democracy, Social Democrats and others were in the position to keep the skin of the bear alife, which the other parties did not like to devide once being finished. The strategic position in silence might have been : So, if they were going to kill each other ... Not too sensitive souls on all sides at those times.

So much in short of history and best wishes

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

[HN] [Hannover-L.]Famfo in Lüneburg

Date: 2007/02/05 15:42:35
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und -kollegen!
Forscht jemand von Euch zufällig in Lüneburg?

Ich hätte da zwei Fragen.
1. Wer weiß wo die alten Personalakten der Lüneburger Saline geblieben sind.
Mein Urgroßvater muß dort zwischen 1868 und 1910 und mein Großvater zwischen
1880 und 1930 als Salzsieder gearbeitet haben.
Die jetzige Leitung des Salinenmuseums gibt vor derartige Unterlagen nicht
zu kennen, im Stadtarchiv von Lüneburg hat man auch nichts und bei den
Salinenakten im Museum für das Fürstentum Lüneburg sind angeblich keine
Personalakten.
Die Saline war ja wohl zuletzt im Besitz der Norddeutschen Salinen AG, die
ihrerseits zum niederländischen AKZO-Konzern gehörten.
Da ich Genaueres über die Tätigkeit meiner beiden Vorfahren wissen möchte,
wäre mir sehr daran gelegen, zu erfahren, wo man dieseAkten eventuell
einsehen kann oder Auskünfte daraus bekommt.

Kann mir jemand helfen?

2.Meine Ururgroßmutter zog im, lt.den im Stadtarchiv vorliegenden Akten
Jahre 1898 in eine Freiwohnung im Stift "Zum Roten Hahn" in der
Rote-Hahn-Straße ein.
Leider sind ihre persönlichen Daten darin nicht vermerkt. Sie war aber Witwe
und schon 83 Jahre alt.Ich suche nun nach Unterlagen, aus denen ihr
Todesdatum hervorgehen könnte. Es müßte doch so etwas wie Abgangslisten
geben, in denen das vermerkt ist. Das Kirchenbuchamt hat nichts gefunden und
im Standesamt ist man erst bereit zu suchen, wenn das Datum auf wenige Jahre
einzugrenzen ist.

Kann mir jemand Hinweise geben?

Ich bin für jede Information dankbar

Gruß Jürgen.

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail:  < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>


Re: [HN] Sohlde, Hildesheim, Hannover 1807-1834 (svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com)

Date: 2007/02/05 17:53:19
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Don,
Thank you for the geography lesson--it makes much more sense to me than the various sources I have read up until now!
Paddy

Re: [HN] [Hannover-L.]Famfo in Lüneburg

Date: 2007/02/05 17:58:47
From: Stefan Kramer <mail(a)kramer-stefan.de>

Jürgen Schweimler schrieb:

2.Meine Ururgroßmutter zog im, lt.den im Stadtarchiv vorliegenden Akten
Jahre 1898 in eine Freiwohnung im Stift "Zum Roten Hahn" in der
Rote-Hahn-Straße ein.
Leider sind ihre persönlichen Daten darin nicht vermerkt. Sie war aber Witwe
und schon 83 Jahre alt.Ich suche nun nach Unterlagen, aus denen ihr
Todesdatum hervorgehen könnte. Es müßte doch so etwas wie Abgangslisten
geben, in denen das vermerkt ist. Das Kirchenbuchamt hat nichts gefunden und
im Standesamt ist man erst bereit zu suchen, wenn das Datum auf wenige Jahre
einzugrenzen ist.

Kann mir jemand Hinweise geben?

Hallo Jürgen,

wenn Du das Sterbedatum einigermaßen eingrenzen kannst, könntest Du mal bei der Friedhofsverwaltung anfragen:

Hans-Georg Grzenia
Stadt Lüneburg
Grünplanung, Friedhöfe und Forsten
Deutsch-Evern-Weg 49
21337 Lüneburg

Tel:   0 41 31 ( 87 09 55 + 87 09 11 )
Fax:  0 41 31 ( 87 09 59 )
E-mail: Hans-Georg.Grzenia(a)stadt.lueneburg.de

Zumindest hast Du ja Namen und Geburtsjahr, das könnte ja schon zu etwas führen.

Gruß,
Stefan
--
http://www.kramer-stefan.de
http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/No-Nds (Ahnenforschung in Nordost-Niedersachsen)

Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA (J/b)

Date: 2007/02/05 18:03:28
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

J b:
Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin County, obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church. Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville. 
The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the two families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children the witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather) and a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry Miehe).
There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at the time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
Paddy

[HN] Änderung der E-mail-Adresse

Date: 2007/02/05 19:20:39
From: FFRMH(a)t-online.de <FFRMH(a)t-online.de>

   Hiermit möchte ich die Änderung meiner

   alten E-mail-Adresse
   [1]RuetherFF(a)aol.com

   in die neue E-mail-Adresse

   [2]FFRMH(a)t-online.de

   anzeigen.

   Es wäre schön, wenn die E-mails der Liste an die neue Adesse gesandt
   würden.

      Viele Grüße

      F.- Franz Rüther

References

   1. mailto:RuetherFF(a)aol.com
   2. mailto:FFRMH(a)t-online.de

Re: [HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2007/02/05 19:48:35
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Dorothy,

     It was common in some areas for the groom to take the name of the farm
when there were no sons and the bride would own the farm. That is probably
how that happened. 

Barbara




> Hi, Charles.  I am so glad to hear from you.  Is it possible that your Anna
> was a child of my Johann Velthuysen and named after her mother?  This is all
> I have  on that family:
> Johann Velthuysen, born 1631, location?, and died 1721 in Meyenburg.  He was
> married to Anna ___who died in 1705.  So that would make Johann our common
> ancestor.  Do you know any more about that particular family?  Did they come
> from Holland to Northern Germany?  The spelling of the name as it changed
> down the ages is interesting.
> You can write to me at dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net.
> I live in Issaquah, WA.  My Feldhusens went directly to California from
> Germany.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cerasmi(a)juno.com>
> To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:05 PM
> Subject: [HN] (kein Betreff)
> 
> 
> Hi Dorothy Johnston,
> I am descended from Anna Feldheusen who was born in Meyenburg in 1671 and
> died in 1727. She was married to Johann Hinrich Erasmi from whom I am
> directly descended. Anna's father was a Johann Velthuysen. It is
> interesting to me and I am happy share what little info I have with you.
> Sincerely, Charles Erasmi, Virginia, USA
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[HN] SCHLIEPER/REUTER/ ZIERENBERG aus Güntersen

Date: 2007/02/05 19:53:09
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach knkreteren Daten, Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Maria Sophia SCHLIEPER, verw. ZIERENBERG, * um 1765 in Güntersen
1.Ehemann: (Joh. Friedrich ) ZIERENBERG, * 27-1-1741 in Güntersen, + vor 1790, Beruf: Braumeister 2. Ehemann: Johann Ludewig REUTER, * 17-5-1761 in Güntersen, Seine Eltern: Joh. Friedrich REUTER und Maria Juliane MEYER Kind :Maria Justina Louise REUTER * 17-2-1793 in Güntersen, + 29-1-1864 in Grone

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn





[HN] Anfrage zu Ehlers in Schöppenstedt

Date: 2007/02/05 20:01:12
From: Uwe Rosendahl <UweRosendahl(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Ruth,

ich sende dir eine Anfrage mit, wegen einer Familie Ehlers und Ebeling in Schöppenstedt.
Aus diesen Ort habe ich leider keine Ehlers. Kannst du vielleicht helfen?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Uwe

Sehr geehrter Herr Rosendahl,

ich habe gesehen, dass Sie nach Ehlers im Raum ehem.
Herzogtum Braunschweig suchen. Meine Altmutter war eine geb. Anna Henriette Pauline
Ehlers (*03.03.1846 in Schöppenstedt / Kreis
Wolfenbüttel. Sie heiratete einen Karl Heinrich
Christoph Ebeling (*1840, +1900 in Küblingen). Aus der
Ehe ging meine Ur-Großmutter Anna Minna Auguste
Ebeling, verheiratete Guba, hervor.
Ist das eine Verbindung zu den Ehlers, nach denen Sie
suchen?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Thomas Guba aus Berlin




Re: [HN] Anfrage zu Ehlers in Schöppenstedt

Date: 2007/02/05 21:06:56
From: Ruth Ohlhoff <Ruth.Ohlhoff(a)t-online.de>

Ach, man sollte nicht so schnell auf den "Senden"Button drücken.

Kannst Du mir bitte die E-Mail Adresse von Herrn Gube mitteilen?

Gruß

Ruth

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Uwe Rosendahl
Gesendet: Montag, 5. Februar 2007 19:54
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: [HN] Anfrage zu Ehlers in Schöppenstedt


Hallo Ruth,

ich sende dir eine Anfrage mit,  wegen einer Familie Ehlers und Ebeling
in Schöppenstedt.
Aus diesen Ort habe ich leider keine Ehlers. Kannst du vielleicht helfen?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Uwe

>Sehr geehrter Herr Rosendahl,
>
>ich habe gesehen, dass Sie nach Ehlers im Raum ehem.
>Herzogtum Braunschweig suchen.
>Meine Altmutter war eine geb. Anna Henriette Pauline
>Ehlers (*03.03.1846 in Schöppenstedt / Kreis
>Wolfenbüttel. Sie heiratete einen Karl Heinrich
>Christoph Ebeling (*1840, +1900 in Küblingen). Aus der
>Ehe ging meine Ur-Großmutter Anna Minna Auguste
>Ebeling, verheiratete Guba, hervor.
>Ist das eine Verbindung zu den Ehlers, nach denen Sie
>suchen?
>
>Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
>Thomas Guba aus Berlin
>
>
>
>

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[HN] August Sprengelmeyer & Johann Boesveld

Date: 2007/02/06 00:55:06
From: Michelle Sims <sims4u(a)sbcglobal.net>

Looking for any updates regarding the parents of Mr. August Sprengelmeyer from Hagen. He arrived in St. Louis. married Johanna Boesveld about 1860 and they settled in Iowa having 10 children. I do have records indicating that his brother was Johann Henrdrich Springelmeyer in New Orleans and Joseph Henrich Springelmeyer died in Missouri. He also had 2 sisters. 

Re: [HN] August Sprengelmeyer & Johann Boesveld

Date: 2007/02/06 03:35:45
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

Hi Michelle,
Did you receive the information I sent you yesterday regarding my connection
to the Sprengelmeyer's and Abkemeyer's?
   Hagen s very close to Mentrup.
Don Roddy


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Looking for any updates regarding the parents of Mr. August Sprengelmeyer from Hagen. He arrived in St. Louis. married Johanna Boesveld about 1860 and they settled in Iowa having 10 children. I do have records indicating that his brother was Johann Henrdrich Springelmeyer in New Orleans and Joseph Henrich Springelmeyer died in Missouri. He also had 2 sisters.
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Re: [HN] Heuman/Heumann Hildesheim/Hannover

Date: 2007/02/06 03:56:38
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Paddy, 

    I did a Google search for Sohlde Miehe and came across this:

"However, Theodore Fehlig of Harsum, Hannover, married (1870, St. Louis)
Wilhelmina HEUMANN, who lived until 1927; I recently found her origin in
S�hlde Hannover. Her sister was on the same ship as Carl MIEHE, whom she
married, but know not from whence he came".
 
 That is from Bob Doerr who has been on this list for some time. I thought
it may be helpful to know that there were people in Söhlde by the name of
Heumann. It could be that your Christine Elizabeth Heuman(n) was from the
same family.You were wondering about Henrietta Heuman(n) who married Charles
G. Miehe (Carl?).

Barbara

 Seeking information about my gggmother Christine Elizabeth Heuman (possibly
> Hamann or Heineman) b. 17 May 1809 in Hildesheim or Hannover. She married
> Henry Miehe (1807-1882). They had 7 known children and emigrated to the United
> States in 1852 with 6 of the 7. Settled in Carlinville, Macoupin County,
> Illinois where Christine died 16 Jun 1895.
> Also wondering if there is any connection with a Henrietta Heuman who married
> a Charles G. Miehe (both born in Hannover) and later emigrated to St. Louis,
> Missouri, USA.
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[HN] Marutt

Date: 2007/02/06 05:31:16
From: val <topaz171(a)shaw.ca>

Hello, I am interested in finding out more about my parents. I was born in Deinsen, Germany. My father was Franz Karl Marutt. He was born in Heinrichsdorf, Krs.,Bartenstein on 22-7-1912.  My mother's maiden name was Anna Emma Schmidt. She was born 4-8-1908 in Thale, Krs, Quedlingburg. They were married in Hannover on the 27th of January in 1934. I would appreciate any direction you may be able to give me, in finding out something about my grandparents. Thanks

Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 39, Eintrag 7

Date: 2007/02/06 07:18:31
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>


  Similar but different is name Damman which shows up at land owners in
  this area. See hch borstelman book of area and villages.


[1]Gemeinde Tosterglope

  - [ [2]Translate this page ]

  Schulzen, Ortsvorsteher und Bürgermeister der Gemeinde Tosterglope
  finden Sie jetzt in den jeweiligen Dorf-Chroniken unter Historisches
  weitere Info . ...
  www.tosterglope.de/ - 16k - [3]Cached - [4]Similar pages

  See the name Tiedemann there quite a bit. i also see the name at
  Dahlenburg.de ....chronik as well.

  I mentioned that my Friederick was working for Albert Tiedeman. they
  are throughout the township of Tetes de Mort, jacson county iowa. in
  1870. The name had been Tietgen or Tietjen. Is that your case too.
  Were they once Tietgen.

  Also received the history of house yard in oldendorf and has surnames
  Ahrens, Michels,Meyer, Steinhauser and Bodenteich. Name  Burmeister,
  Steek or stecke.Reinecke. also a house yard at Sueschendorf. I can
  lookup in it if any one has someone of those names there.
  Interesting to me is a chaange of name of one Reinecke to riecke. As I
  wonder if  my rieckens have evolved to their name from  change in
  reinecke...

  I see similarities of Hch Borstelman book in this family history. work
  done by Bock  of  DAHLENBURG CHURCH AREA ARCHIVES..
   Also a few surnames going to Kettelstorf and  Gross Thondorf.   One
  name HARMS.
  ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

   I haven't identified anything from that family history. Since I have
  no dates for the Marie Ahrens and Marie Moellemann.  In My meyer
  collection,  i do have a church record of a mrs  Marie Michels born
  Ahrens with no birth dates. Md to Meyer. The Area that My Meyer
  settled were calhoun county and greene county, Iowa. In that area came
  some AHRENS with SCHROEDER  connections and GROTE and Frotscher [
  mispelled] found them on ship passage a year ago traveling to iowa. aT
  ELLIS ISLAND   I have the records of another MARIE AHRENS SEIL also
  from oldendorf and Bleckede.  i believe they were connecated to
  schroeder Ahrens. It was something another relative said a few years
  back.  Perhaps some of the other Ahrens were connected also to Galena
  Jo Daviess county Illn. the Schroeder family  stopped at  Illn first.
  I have many connecting families and like my father said they connect
  back. That is why they became a colony in iowa. Much too complicated
  to put down at this board.  I saw something at aida about schroeder
  and ahrens. Lots to do.

  ACTUALLY TO DO IT RIGHT I should send to the Nahrendorf church and go
  from that info......
   I  have not so far seen Moelleman at Galena,iln. they went very early
  and well could have moved or died after fred immigrated. Changed name
  to Mollman or Mohlman or Mahlman by the way I hear there is a chance
  to download history of Galena, Jo Daviess Book. I can give link if any
  one wants that source.

  If anyone has name Fehring in your tree show yourself.

  There is a tree connected with Indiana that has
  surnames... Meyer, Davis,Boone, Hendricksen, Nahnsen, Wolf, Mullins,
  and possibly Bresser.  I need to check into this tree also. I need to
  go and check my files  again of st peters church for surnames.
  I didn't intend to get carried away.  I suppose some of this would be
  of interest to only me or if you were connected to my family, but
  don't know it. If so, I hope you show up.
  jo meyer


  wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann)
  > > Butt, and his two sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?),
  Heinrich
  > > and Johann.  American death certificates and obituaries state they
  were
  > > born in Hannover, but not which village in the kingdom.  John's
  date of
  > > birth is March 27, 1827, and Margaretha was born in 1842/1843.
  > >
  > > According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich
  Butt
  > > and Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany.
  > >
  > > Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the
  Butt
  > > and/or Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my
  search?
  > >
  > > Thanks in advance,
  > >
  > > Robin Sjoerdsma
  > > Sarasota, FL


  List see this

  This is the copy of the  link for hamburg lists. But  it is not as
  effective as lists you have given me. Have fun.

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  thanks for all help and any interest. Pretty tired as hot chocolate on
  this cold night takes it's affect.

  good night, tomorrows another day

  jo
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References

  1. http://www.tosterglope.de/
  2. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.tosterglope.de/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtosterglope%2Bhistorisches%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4GFRC_enUS204US204
  3. http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:9kPFCgSX_IsJ:www.tosterglope.de/+tosterglope+historisches&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&lr=lang_en|lang_fr|lang_de|lang_no
  4. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRC_enUS204US204&q=related:www.tosterglope.de/
  5. http://adserver.ancestry.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/www.ancestry.com/search_results/global/628406546/Frame1/OasDefault/R_ANC.searchBR_185x75/27842_Germany_searchBR_185x75.html/34623131633334353435613164303130
  6. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2755??PS=47575

Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/06 09:50:08
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin County, obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church. Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.

Consider yourself lucky then, as that is not a par for the course occurrence in many areas in the U.S. Church records more often than not are among those "hit and miss" records that you're actually fortunate to discover (likewise for records like marriage certificates, burial permits, recorded wills, homestead papers, etc. All are out there mind you, but not always easy to pinpoint). In some areas church ledgers are well preserved and there for the discovery. In other areas - and unfortunately under far too many scenarios from what I've seen - they've vanished into thin air, or have found their ways into nondescript resting places, sometimes in private hands (might as well be bear caves then). Always worth checking on for certain, only few should bet the farm on finding a goldmine along those lines in more situations than not.

The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the two families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children the witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather) and a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry Miehe).

There you go. Now you just have to determine what the precise connection is ... siblings, cousins, distant cousins. Oh the fun of tracking down and documenting these kinds of jigsaw puzzles.

There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at the time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.

Yes indeed. The more offbeat the name the better, at least when it comes to genealogy. Unusual names frame everything in town like settings, as opposed to a metropolises. I've got surnames like Schmidt, Schulz and Hammer as part of my Hildesheim rat pack and believe me, you don't want to go there unless you're like Armin and enjoy headbanging your monitor (he only learned that from me though). Some of mine also extend to Hameln and Hannover City, so it only spirals further out of control from there. Oh the joy I'll experience when I discover a Schlecktenlichtensteinberger in the bunch. Please Lord, send me one soon. I promise to be a good lad thereafter.

You're doing quite well as it is Paddy. Make sure to work that Macoupin County area well. The county level is the goldmine level in the USA, more than anything else (outside of inherited memorabilia I guess). If there is one thing our local governments have done well over the years, it has been to preserve the records within their jurisdiction, and allow free access to them. It has only been in the modern era that more and more records seem to be getting destroyed to make way for ever newer ones (often after being poorly microfilmed), or been excluded from open or easy perusal under newfangled statutes. It amounts to a damn curse for those pursuing genealogies.

Jb

From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA (J/b)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:48:45 -0800 (PST)

J b:
Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful. Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin County, obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church. Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville. The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the two families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children the witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather) and a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry Miehe). There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at the time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
Paddy

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[HN] Degradir Loges in Celle

Date: 2007/02/06 10:36:42
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Liebe Mitforscher/-innen!

Nach längerer Abstinenz habe ich meine Forschungen in Celle und Umgebung wieder aufgenommen.
Vielleicht ist es auch für Euch interessant, dass das Inhaltsverzeichnis des Findbuches des Stadtarchivs Celle im Internet zu finden ist. Darin fand ich dann den Titel eines für meine Forschungen interessanten Kaufvertrages. Eine Kopie davon wurde mir vom Stadtarchiv gemacht.

Im gut lesbaren Kaufvertrag von 1842 findet sich folgender Satz: " An der Grenze des Degradir Loges Garten ...."
Was ist ein Degradir? Hängt das Wort mit Degradierung zusammen?
Für eine Antwort bin ich dankbar.

Grüße aus Bielefeld

Klaus (Stahl)

BENN(E)MANN, Celle
DOBERC)KA(N), DOBERKAU, DOBBERKAU, DOWERKA(H), Celle und Gardelegen (Müllergeschlecht in der Altmark und im Braunschweigischen)
OPPERMANN, Celle und Heinum
BEUKMANN, Celle
OPPERMANN, Lachtehausen
MEINEKE, Lachtehausen
HILDEBRAND, Celle
MARTIN, Celle


Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg .Teil, 7 + 8

Date: 2007/02/06 11:44:38
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

HPA <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de> wrote:

Hi J b,

first thanks for doing the translation.

With selective pruning of course. I'm more interested in those passages that contain political or historical reflections (perspectives), beyond the really offbeat entries. The every day robbery, civil dispute, murder blah blah blah I'll forego, since these things occur everywhere and at all times. In America they border on pandemic.

The other question about the official use of "Nazi" or "Nationalsozialisten" I cannot answer it concerning the normal use in the times of the events. The book of Ebeling was first published in 1969 and in these times I can tell by own witness it was common in speech and also often in written textes to use the diminuishing form of the parties on the "-i" at the end. But, especially the abbreviation "Kommis" hasn`t been too much in use at any time in Germany and seems to be a shortening only of Anglo-Saxon language.

In English speaking areas, "commie" (Kommi) is an unflattering term (though often used) for communist, as you no doubt know. Same thing goes for the term "Nazi" for National Socialist -- not much different here than in Germany, though no strictures are written into law in the US like they are in Deutschland over it. FYI the "s" I added to Kommi only to match the use of the term "Nazis" as I saw in some of the passages.

A reason might be, that after the war they didn`t play anymore a political role in the western parts of Germany, where I grew up. In the other part they should not have had a reason to make themselves smaller by using a more tiny name from the enemy. Maybe also simply be the ending plural-"s" did not fit to the "stream of speech" of German language.

Right. It is hard to determine just when these terms came into common parlance. I'm almost certain a Red Front fighter would have called a NS counterpart a Nazi since it's short and sweet, and most likely a NS trooper would have called a Red a Kommi for the same reason, and they probably both called a SPD guy a Sozi. But unfortunately when it comes to arriving at an even playing field, the "s" and "en" pluralization differences between the two languages make these kinds of tit-for-tat translations clumsy. That's why I find lines like the following so intriguing: "Zusammenstöße zwischen Nazis und Kommunisten ...". Not sure if it was written that way in the original ledgers, or if Ebeling chose to take certain liberties with his transcriptions (an improper no-no if that were the case).

The other point of social democratic avoidance of participation in street battles cannot be confirmed. For example "Reichsbanner", who did the fight with communists in Geesthacht was an to greater parts social democratic inspired movement. The lexical definition of Reichsbanner: "Reichsbannner Schwarz-Rot-Gold (kurz Reichsbanner), 1924 gegründeter polit. Kampfverband zur Verteidigung der Weimarer Rep" (Quelle: Brockhaus in 16 Bänden).

SPD avoidance of street fighting was pretty much a fact, more so as things heated up and became increasingly deadly. The Reds seemed to be at war with the NSDAP, the SPD, the Nationalists, the Polizei and Weimar Republic all at the same time. The KP went so far as to turn on their Socialist brotherhood when they discovered they would not join them behind the barricades they erected here, there and everywhere to battle the National Socialists and Freikorps lads. Of course it could just be the SPD people couldn't stand the endless chants of "Rot Front!" emanating from the noisy Rotfrontkämpferbund. lol

As National Socialists and Communists both had the declared aim, to destroy this Weimar democracy, Social Democrats and others were in the position to keep the skin of the bear alife, which the other parties did not like to devide once being finished. The strategic position in silence might have been : So, if they were going to kill each other ... Not too sensitive souls on all sides at those times.

True but it was the dismal failure of the Weimar democracy, ineffective and corrupt to the core as it was, that allowed the vacuum to be filled by the Reds and the NS in the end. Any way you look at it, the Bolsheviks were looking to expand the Communistic "World Revolution" and even briefly pulled it off in Germany. There was only one political group prepared and willing to deal with this threat before it engulfed the country, the NSDAP. It does not surprise me the SPD hung back to protect themselves. Either one of those parties would have steamrolled right over them, and trust me for what it's worth, the KPD, the Spartakusbund and Red Front Fighters' League were not going to go away without a fight.

As it were, the SA (Sturmabteilung) and Freikorps simply hit harder, and eventually ground the Reds into camp dust. In time they turned their guns towards the source of the Revolution -- Soviet Russia.

So much in short of history and best wishes

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

History is history; we are all observers and/or players waiting in check. I find it 1/3 fascinating, 1/3 amusing, and 1/3 hopeless.

Bests to you. Jb

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[HN] Taufpaten Dykhausen und Neustadtgödens

Date: 2007/02/06 12:37:09
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>

Liebe Liste!
Letzten Herbst hatte ich Euch 2 von mir erstellte Excel-Listen angeboten, einmal die Taufpaten von Dykhausen, dann die Taufpaten von Neustadtgödens. Da mein PC zwischenzeitlich einen Crash hatte und alle meine Dateien weg sind, habe ich die Listen selbst nicht mehr. Ich habe die Listen an einige von Euch geschickt. Wer hat sie noch und kann mir die Excel-Datei mailen?
Vielen, vielen Dank und Grüße aus Schwaben,
Andrea (Korbanka)

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[HN] Taufpaten Dykhausen und Neustadtgödens

Date: 2007/02/06 12:37:30
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>

Liebe Liste!
Letzten Herbst hatte ich Euch 2 von mir erstellte Excel-Listen angeboten, einmal die Taufpaten von Dykhausen, dann die Taufpaten von Neustadtgödens. Da mein PC zwischenzeitlich einen Crash hatte und alle meine Dateien weg sind, habe ich die Listen selbst nicht mehr. Ich habe die Listen an einige von Euch geschickt. Wer hat sie noch und kann mir die Excel-Datei mailen?
Vielen, vielen Dank und Grüße aus Schwaben,
Andrea (Korbanka)

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[HN] Celle: Catharina Beijker

Date: 2007/02/06 12:56:43
From: Dr. R.P. Mouton <moutonrp(a)tiscali.nl>

Can anyone help me finding data on Catharina Louise BEIJKER, born in Celle ca. 1754, and her husband Carl Ludwig ARENS, probably born in Celle as well. They married around 1790, probably in Celle.  After her marriage the couple moved to Amsterdam, where a son was born in 1797. Peter Mouton

Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/06 14:29:57
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Nice job Jane. I learned a few things there myself. Ilsebe - how lovely. And you're right, the thought of August or Gustav being referred to as Gus back in the old country seems almost blasphemous. Could they possibly do it in the fun loving Bavarian region, where the sun and ale flow more freely? Or would it merely end up Gustavl. :-0 Seems to me the best diminutive we'll spot in the northern climbs is Gustavus! [Where's Helmut or Falk when you need them?]

Since names and nicks are near and dear subjects to many of us, yet often remain perplexing in their makeup, I'm going to add this little treatise to the nickname brew. I compiled a portion of it a while back, from both personal knowledge and various resources I've tapped, and now updated it. Much of it is English/American-centric, but touches on most of the fundamental bases that are shared with our Germanic parent tongue.

Personal Names :: Diminutives, Nicknames, Alternatives

In regards to personal names, a diminutive is a related but shortened given name, whereas a nickname is any name one uses in place of their real name. Both comprise what can be called alternative names, and diminutives are also generally regarded as nicknames (though not all nicknames are diminutives). Since the two overlap, the terms are sometimes used interchangeably, though linguists, onomastics and etymologists might shake their heads in disapproval. But any way you shake it, a nickname can be comprised of a pet name, a shortened or truncated name, an alternate name, a name derivative, an associated name, an initialed moniker, a hypocoristic name, an affixed form, or a diminutive stub.

Diminutives typically contain at least one sound from the original name and are usually (but not always) shortened versions of the original name. Will, Bill or Billy for William, and Tom or Tommy for Thomas are fairly standard examples, and easily recognized. Some diminutives are not as obvious to our modern ears, such as Sally for Sarah or Jessie for Janet. A lot of confusion stems from the irregularities found within various naming conventions, and often unclear root etymologies. This is further compounded by the wide array of spelling modifications we now find in use. If that isn't enough, diminutive names can also double as given names (example: Ellen is a diminutive of Eleanor(e), but is also a given name in its own right).

We see perplexing name inconsistencies time and again in many record searches, none better evidenced than in sequential records like the censuses. A federal or state enumeration may list a person with their real name on one occasion, only to be followed by a diminutive on the subsequent one. If "preferred" middle names or initial monikers are tossed into the mix, as sometimes happens, things will get even more confusing. Add to this all the misspelling possibilities, and you can appreciate the exponential power of soundex coding systems and wild card character search techniques!

Nicknames are alternative or substitute names, often based on some type of personal characteristic (hair color, body size, height, etc.). But as we all eventually discover, they may come about for virtually any reason and have no connection that seems logical (example: Yogi Berra's given name is actually Lawrence Peter). Since many nicknames are not tied to the actual name in any way, they tend to be more problematic than diminutive ones. Fortunately nicknames are less likely to be used in official records than are diminutives (though there are certainly exceptions to be found).

Nicknames can also be affectionate or personalized terms used to describe a person. Shorty Smith would presumably be short in stature (though Tiny Williams may not be!), Slim Pickings is likely skinny, Slick Hanson you can bet will be clumsy, and Red Cooper having red locks will come as no surprise to anyone. Try not to imagine what "Machine Gun" Kelly most likely denotes. <g>

Some occupational derived nicks are worth musing over: Doc for doctor, Chippie for carpenter, Dusty for miller, Smudge for blacksmith, Prof for professor, Sparky for electrician, to name just a few. Other colorful nicknames are so irresistible it takes an array of them to describe the same thing: Ginger, Red or Rusty (or Bluey according to those mixed up Australians) all describe a person with red hair. Likewise Blondie, Goldie and Yeller for those with pretty blond curls. A person's nickname may also have no traceable origin. A person named "Marion" may be nicknamed "Mike" for no apparent reason, or a man who was named after a relative may ask his friends to call him "Chip" (as in "chip off the old block"?) to avoid unnecessary confusion.

During the Middle Ages, many of these descriptive nicknames (or bynames) evolved to become family last names (our hereditary surnames). Thus, an ancestor of Neil Armstrong most likely had strong arms, one of Gordon Lightfoot's progenitors was probably swift of foot or perhaps a scout, and Jane White probably had an ancestor with pale complexion or hair. It would thus stand to reason that our lovely Jane Swan descends from a long line of swans, uh, no doubt from the Paleolithic days, but now I digress. :-) [not to worry Jane, I've confirmed the majority of mine come from a remarkably distinguished line of dinosaurs, a few of which can still be spotted in Far Side depictions. Since DNA never lies, wanna guess which branch of the Rex?]

Still, when all is said and done, the most common type of nickname remains the diminutive form (again usually a shortened or altered version of one’s real name, like Jim for James or Betty for Elizabeth). Diminutives have traditionally been given to inferiors or equals, such as children and servants, or close friends or relatives. Since they can often denote forms of endearment also, there exists varying degrees of diminutives. A man may be William to his business associates and acquaintances, Will to his friends and spouse, and Willie to his mother (add Guillaume for that French guy up the street). Nicknames made up this way are believed to be among the oldest parts of language still used.

Since diminutives are formed by corrupting, shortening, or otherwise changing a given name into something different (but still related to the root), here are some examples of the most common forms, and the means by which they have come into being:

- Contraction: Greta from Margaret, Kurt from Konrad(t), Tessa from Teresa, Hetty from Henrietta

- Dropped letter (best example "r"): Maggie from Margaret, Biddy from Bridget, Hattie from Harriet, Kit from Christopher

- Swapped letter (prime example "p" for "m"): Polly from Molly + Mary, Peg from Meg + Margaret

- Hardened letter (example "t" from "th"): Kate from Katherine, Dotty from Dorothy, Betty from Elizabeth, Matt from Matthew, Ted from Theodore, Tom from Thomas (note the "th" in Thomas is hard from the get-go)

- Hardened letter (example "ck" or "k" from "ch"): Rick and Dick from Richard, Frederick from Frederich or Friedrich, Dirk and Derek from Dietrich, Micki and Mickey from Michelle

- Softened letter (example "ch" from "c" or "k"): Charlie from Carl or Karl [blame the French for the soft stuff folks!]

- Shortened form, from the back: Beth from Elizabeth, Derick from Theoderick, Drew from Andrew, Fred from Alfred

- Shortened form, from the front: Alex from Alexander, Eliza from Elizabeth, Fred from Frederick, Marc from Marcus

- Shortened from, from the middle: Della from Adelaide, Liz from Elizabeth, Lisa from Elisabeth, Stoffe from Christopher

- Use of Initials: A.J., B.J., C.J., D.J. (note the J sometimes stands for Jr.) JC, Jb for JB (w00t), A. J. for Anthony Joseph Jr. Foyt, W.C. for William Claude Fields, F. Scott for Francis Scott Fitzgerald, J. Edgar for John Edgar Hoover, |- Also full initials: FDR, JFK, LBJ to name three modern U.S. Presidents, and our very own HPA for Hans Peter Albers von Bienenbüttel :-)

- Anglicizations (in English speaking countries): William for Guillaume, Andrew for Andreas, André or Anders, John for Johann or Hans, Frank for Francisco, Sarah for Cesarine

- Endearments and "little" diminutives from affixes | suffixes:

* Scottish (first used in Scotland, then onto England, and from there to the great colonies of America, Canada, Australia, etc.) "ie" + "ee" + "ey" + "y": Jamie from James, Charlie from Charles, Davey from David

* |-- English (based upon the earlier Scottish pattern): Johnny from John, Gracie from Grace, Rosie from Rose, Markie from Mark, Marty from Martin, Robbie from Robert

* German "chen": Gretchen from Margareta, Kätchen from Katherine, Röschen from Rose, Trudchen from Gertrude |-- "(l)i" Niki from Nikolaus, Elli from Eleanor, Kalli from Karl, Willi from Wilhelm, Heidi and Adi from Adelheid/Adelheit

* Irish/Gaelic "an" or "in" (often Anglicized as "een"): Colleen for Little Girl, Doreen for Little Dora, Maureen for Little Mary, Brian for Little Hill, Ryan for Little King, Caitlin or Cateline for Katherine

* Australian (+ English) "za" (especially ones ending in (r)r): Bazza from Barry, Gazza from Gary, Shazza from Sharon, Mazza from Marion

* Spanish "ita" or "ina" (girls) and "ito" or "in" (boys): Anita from Ana, Carlito from Carlos, Evita from Eva, Lolita from Lola or Dolores, Juanita from Juana, Pepito from Pepe, Carmelina and Carmina from Carmen

* Italian
"ino" "etto" "ello" (boys): Tonino from Antonio, Paolino from Paolo, Donatello from Donato "ina" "etta" "ella" (girls): Antonina from Antonia, Antonietta from Antonia, Donatella from Donata

* French (huge nick mucksters) "ot/otte" "on/onne" "in/ine/line" and "et/ette": Adeline from Adele, Alison from Alice, Annette from Anne, Babette from Barbara, Charlot from Charles, Jeannette from Jeanne, Madeline from Magdalene, Margot from Marguerite, Marcelin from Marcel, Nicolette from Nicole

Note: It was the English and Scottish who took many of these French endings (ine, ette, otte, etc.) and "Latinized" them by adding an "a", thus creating names like Adelina (Adele +ine +a), Henrietta (Henri +ette +a), Paulina (Paula +ine +a), etc.

A few interesting "nick knacks" to ponder

- Elizabeth, that popular, royal English name (said to be more royal than Rena) probably has more nicknames coined from it than any other. In the United States, almost twice as many women are named with a diminutive of Elizabeth, than are named Elizabeth. The name Elizabeth has consistently been one of the most popular English names for a number of centuries now.

- In Viking societies, many people had nicknames "heiti", "viðrnefni" or "uppnefi" which were used in addition to, or instead of, their family names. In some circumstances, the giving of a nickname had a special status in Viking society in that it created a relationship between the name maker and the recipient of the nickname, to the extent that the creation of a nickname often entailed a formal ceremony and an exchange of gifts.

- When the Normans invaded England in 1066, they transformed not only the politics, religion and language of the country, but the names as well. They brought with them a large stock of Germanic names, only "Frenchified" (Romanized/Latinized), a reflection of their adopted Romance tongue. The native Anglo-Saxons (now transformed for the most part into the lower class rungs of society with the arrival of the new conquerors) were faced with an unfamiliar language and many strange pronunciations. In particular, they were uncomfortable with the Norman “R” as found in names like Richard, Roger, and Robert, and Henry or Harry.

From this came the negation of the "r": Babs from Barb + Barbara, Biddy from
Bid + Bridget, Dot from Dotty + Dorothy, Fanny from Fan + Frances, Meg from Marg + Margaret, Kit from Christopher, etc.

Other times, a middle "r" would be swapped for an "l" or "d" which gave us the nicknames: Hal from Harry, Molly and Mally and Maidie from Mary, Dolly and Dodie from Dorothy, Sally and Sadie from Sarah, etc.

- As mentioned earlier, one of the purposes of nicknames, particularly in ages past, was to create a name to be used with one's inferiors. Thus some nicknames have taken on additional meanings that are slightly derogatory, and it should come as no surprise that many of these kinds have lost much of their popularity as time has rolled on.

- Before the 17th century, the most common diminutive endings were the Norman/English "in" or "kin" (-kin then corresponding with the German -chen). Jack, for instance, originates from the name Jakin, a corrupted form of Jenkin (John +kin). Jack has remained a nickname for John for centuries now, long after the original connection and connotation was lost. Another example of this is the name Hank, which is short for Han-Kin, or Hen-kin, or Henry-kin. Most of these types of "original" nicknames have long disappeared, leaving as reminders only surnames today. Robin from Robert and Colin from Col + Nicolas are a few additional Norman based diminutives that have managed to survive to this day.

- It was only in the 19th century that Bill was coined from Will, and Bob from Rob. Why and how I have yet to discover (same goes with the M into P letter swappings: Peggy from Meg + Margaret and Polly from Molly + Mary)

If you haven't guessed yet, Jb derives from J + b (secret's out) :-)

Jb


From: "jeswansong(a)earthlink.net" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Nicknames
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:21:16 -0500

A few months ago I noticed someone asking if the nickname for Jürgen was Hans. No, it is not. Jürgen and Georg are forms of the same name, nickname would merely be the shortened form Jürg (pronounced Yerk in English). So I happened to mention to John that perhaps I should write a posting about German nicknames for those novices on the list or for anyone not too familiar with German. He keeps reminding me of this - so here it is: These are only some of the most common in the Hannover-Niedersachsen area. (I do not know much about them in other areas of Germany - e.g., in the south they often add an "l" as in Hansel and Gretel.) Johannes, Johann = Hans; Friedrich = Fritz (even the King of Prussia Friedrich der Grosse was called, lovingly, "der alte Fritz"); Heinrich = Henni; Wilhelm = Willi; Albrecht = Albi; Ludwig, Ludolph = Lude; Theodor = Teddi; Ulrich= Uli; Hermann = Harm. Anna = Anni; Marie = Mimi; Dorothea = Dorchen or Doris; Caroline & Adelina = Line; (remember final "e" in german is pronounced like "a" in "sofa" - hence pronounced like "Leena"); Elizabeth = Lise; Margarethe = Gretchen or Grete; Adelheit = Adi; Eleanor = Elli (never Nellie); Johanne = Hanne; Magdalene was often contracted into Marlene. In older records Harm was often a given name, not a nickname. You will often see names ending in "-ke" - this was a diminutive, not a nickname, as in Engelke ("little angel) or Segelke ("little blessing"), or Lüdeke. Another very old Low German name you might come across is Ilsebe - the equivalent of modern Elizabeth. August and Gustav were never (to my knowledge) contracted into Gus, as in the US, Remember, also, that children were given multiple names (each godparent had to be represented) - so the best way to learn which name a person lived by is to check the death record, obit or gravestone. More often than not it was the second or even third baptismal name. I have one family in my AL in which every male's first name was Johann!!!
I hope this clears up some of the mysteries for you.     Jane

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[HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/06 15:04:51
From: Klaus Friedrichs <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>

Hello Dorothy Johnston,

your mailbox is blocking my mails permanently.

"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

 dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net"

If you are interested in exchanging data or in receiving corrections to your
data, keep your box opened.

Otherwise I will cease my cooperation.
It is disgusting in getting mails back.

Klaus


[HN] Krätzer/Apel aus Südniedersachsen

Date: 2007/02/06 15:40:18
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach konkreten Daten und den Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Michael Johann KRÄTZER * um 1770, Kuhhirte
Ehefrau: Catharina Margarethe APEL * um 1775
Kind: Catharina Dorothea Charlotte Marie KRAETZER * 5-2-1803, + 26-9-1872 in Bovenden
Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn





[HN] [AMF-Forschung] CLAUS o. GÜNTHER aus Eibenberg / evtl. RUMBERG o. DIETRICH aus Chemn itz nach Hannover o. Hildesheim gezogen? (fw d)

Date: 2007/02/06 16:39:40
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: <adelheid.web(a)web.de>
To: <erz-l(a)genealogy.net>,<sachsen-l(a)genealogy.net>,<amf(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [AMF-Forschung] CLAUS o. GÜNTHER aus Eibenberg / evtl. RUMBERG o. DIETRICH aus Chemnitz  nach Hannover o. Hildesheim gezogen?

Liebe Mitforscher,

wie ich vorhin schon schrieb, habe ich ein Album mit einer Menge
Fotos von Personen, die ich nicht kenne.

Das größte Rätsel ist dieses Bild: zw. 1900 und 1915: Eine sitzende
dicke Dame mit drei kleinen Kindern (1 Knabe, 2 Mädchen) und mit
einem dicken Säugling auf dem rechten Arm. Sie sind alle sehr gut
gekleidet!

Fotograf: Samson & Co. Hannover und Hildesheim.
          Handschriftliche Nr.: 2620.
Falls jemand eine ähnl. Nr. dieses Fotografen hat, und den Zeitpunkt
seiner Aufnahme kennt, könnte man so wenigstens schon mal das Auf-
nahme-Jahr bestimmen. Die Rückseite hat Jugendstil-Verzierungen.

Sie ist entweder die  Tochter  oder  Schwiegertochter  von:
CLAUS / CLAUß oder GÜNTHER (aus Eibenberg o. Chemnitz) o. evtl. von:
DIETRICH oder RUMBERG aus Chemnitz.

Kennt zufällig jemand diese Personen?  Scan schicke ich gern.

Könnte jemand diese Mail auch an die für Hannover u./o. Hildesheim
zuständigen Liste weiterleiten? Die Antworten dann bitte direkt an
mich, da ich zu dieser Liste keinen Zugang habe.

Danke und viele Grüße,
Carla (Bartmann)

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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/06 17:38:29
From: Dorothy Johnston <dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net>


I don't understand what I did wrong. I'm very sorry I caused you trouble. I do not need to learn any more about Feldhusen.....I joined this list primarily to give details about what happened to them after they left Germany. Just take me off the list and I will move on to other work. Thank you.

Dorothy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Friedrichs" <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:58 AM
Subject: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg


Hello Dorothy Johnston,

your mailbox is blocking my mails permanently.

"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

 dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net"

If you are interested in exchanging data or in receiving corrections to your
data, keep your box opened.

Otherwise I will cease my cooperation.
It is disgusting in getting mails back.

Klaus

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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/06 20:59:50
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Dorothy,

     I don't think you need to leave the list. I don't think everybody had
trouble with your posting. Perhaps, if you sent a message to Klaus's own
mailbox, there was a problem. You've been sending them to the list and I
don't see there is anything wrong there.
    Computers can do weird things at times.  I had received a hilarious joke
the other day and I tried over and over to forward it to other people and it
just sat in my outbox forever.

Barbara




> I don't understand what I did wrong.  I'm very sorry I caused you trouble.
> I do not need to learn any more about Feldhusen.....I joined this list
> primarily to give details about what happened to them after they left
> Germany.  Just take me off the list and I will move on to other work.  Thank
> you.
> 
> Dorothy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Klaus Friedrichs" <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:58 AM
> Subject: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg
> 
> 
> Hello Dorothy Johnston,
> 
> your mailbox is blocking my mails permanently.
> 
> "A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
> 
>   dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net"
> 
> If you are interested in exchanging data or in receiving corrections to your
> data, keep your box opened.
> 
> Otherwise I will cease my cooperation.
> It is disgusting in getting mails back.
> 
> Klaus
> 
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[HN] Hessing oo Berckmeer / Großraum Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/06 21:51:45
From: FFRMH(a)t-online.de <FFRMH(a)t-online.de>

   Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

   aus Harsum bei Hildesheim stammen meine Vorfahren


                                                     "Hessing und
   Berchmeer".

   Meine frühesten Vorfahren sind das Ehepaar

   Hessing, Johannes Adam

   *  ? um 1719  ?

   +  26.12.1799  Harsum kath. 80 J.

   oo I. N:N:

   oo II. 25. 9.1764  Harsum kath.

   (Trauzeugen: Hans Cord Algermissen, Johannes Joachim Thiemen)

   Berckmeer, Maria Magdalena

   *                 ?  Dieckholzen

   +    6. 4.1797  Harsum kath.

   oo I. 28.8.1753 Harsum Rohlmann, Georg  + Riesenbeck Amt Rheine

   Gesucht werden weitere Vorfahren und Namensträger.

   Über eine Antwort eine würde ich mich freuen.

      Viele Grüße

     F.- Franz Rüther

      Mülheim- Ruhr

Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois, USA

Date: 2007/02/06 21:55:31
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Paddy,

    I would like to say that your question is solved, but there is a problem
with dates! I found this in the Hannover archives:

1. Miehe, Heinrich, Söhlde
3. Kotsasse und Zimmermann
5. Miehe, Elisabeth, geb. Heumann;
   Miehe, Carl Conrad Ferdinand (geb. 25. 05. 1843)
7. Amerika
8. Okt. 1863: vor ca. 10 Jahren

You find this by going to this site:
http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/

In the blank space, put Miehe Söhlde and click on Suchen (search). On the
results, it's the last one listed. You can click on that and see the whole
record. Could you be wrong about the date--you said 1852 and this says 1863?

Barbara


 Looking for information about the ancestors and early life of my gggfather,
> Henry Miehe, b. 17 Jul 1807 in Hannover. He emigrated to U.S.A. in 1852 on the
> Hannah Crocker leaving Bremen, arriving in New Orleans, with wife Christine
> Elizabeth Heumann [Hamman, Heinemen?] and 6 of his 7 children. Christine was
> born in Hildesheim or Hannover on 17 May 1809.They settled in Carlinville,
> Macoupin County, Illinois where Henry died 1 May 1882 and Christine died 16
> Jun 1895. They were members of the German Evangelical Church.
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Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/06 22:07:55
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Don:  Yes, I thought of including Heinz but having known at least 2 people who had it as a proper name, I decided against it.  I find that the most difficult for non-German speaking people to connect are Hans for Johann and Gretchen for Margarethe among others.  But for such as I, who grew up knowing or hearing about Tante Line, Tante Lise, Tante Gretchen, Onkel Henni, usw., it comes as second nature.  It was hard to decide where to draw the line.
John:  Enjoyed your lengthy exposition (why did it not surprise me?) - quite the philologist you are.
Here is a funny little anecdote you both might enjoy:  Many years ago on my first visit to Bremen, a friend of a cousin who lived there offered to show me around.  On the way from Vilsen to Bremen she asked me what Jane would be auf deutsch.  (Germans have difficulty pronouncing the French-sounding first letter of Jane).  I told her it would be Johanne.  Much later as I was admiring the famous Stadtmusikanten, I heard someone calling "Hanni!  Hanni!"
from across the square.  Even for me, it took a while to register that she was calling me!
Jane


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[HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2007/02/06 22:38:58
From: FFRMH(a)t-online.de <FFRMH(a)t-online.de>

   Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

   auf der Suche bin ich nach Datenergänzungen, weiteren Vorfahren und
   deren Herkunft von:

   Hagemann, Theodor ( Johann Dietrich)

   Schatzeinnehmer in Hildesheim

   ~    ?  um       1660

   +     3.10.1748 Hildesheim  begr. Domfriedhof

   oo I. N.N.

   oo II. 24. 9.1695 Marienburg

   Schiller, Magdalene Margarethe

   *~   8. 4.1678 Marienburg

   +   10. 2.1747 Hildesheim

   Eltern:

   Hagemann, N.

   *  ? Hildesheim

   +

   oo   um 1660 Hildesheim

   Hartmann, Gertrud

   *  ?  Hildesheim

   + nach 13. 2.1698

   Schiller, Jobst (Jodocus)

   1667 Amtsschreiber, 1688 1716 Amtmann zu Marienburg

   *   ??

   5 21. 5.1716 Hildesheim St. Godehardi

   oo          1672 Marienburg

   Wever, Anna Elisabeth

   ~    12. 4.1647 Achtum

   +                     Hildesheim ?

   Über eine Antwort würde ich mich freuen.

     Viele Grüße

      F.- Franz Rüther

       Mülheim- Ruhr

[HN] Need translation

Date: 2007/02/06 23:03:01
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

My HILLMER / HILMERs were from Wichtenbeck .. I found this at the Hannover
Archives website, but do not understand it.  Can someone please translate?

Archiv:  Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover
Bestandbezeichnung:  Amt Oldenstadt
Signatur:  Nr. 2165
Lagerungsbestand:  Hann. 74 Oldenstadt
Gesperrt bis:  
Laufzeit/Nebenlaufzeit:     
Teilprovenienz:  
Vorprovenienz:  
Klassifikationskennzahl:  02.12.02.  .  .  Wichtenbeck 
Gliederung:  Einzelne Ablösungsangelegenheiten(alphabetisch nach Orten)
Registratursignatur:  
Alte Archivsignatur: Fach 6 Nr. 231 
Band:  
Umfang:  
Restaurierbedürftigkeit:  
Trägermaterial:  
Titel: Ablösung des Halbhöfners Hillmer in Wichtenbeck x 
Indexbegriff Indexbereich 
   
Thank you in advance.

Bonita
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      ----oOOo-(_)-oOOo---- Just Lurking ...

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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/07 01:51:54
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Dorothy:

I concur with Barbara. There are two primary reasons mail is returned. One is that the address is nonexistant and the second is that it was incorrectly written. For an instance if you add an " to the end of an e-mail address, it will not go through.

I have had no problem with your e-mails.

There have been a lot of spammers using return mail routes to get their junk to you. Why am I going on like this???--If anyone has a serious problem with this list he/she should contact the administrator and leave the list to genealogy.

Gale


On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:59:25 -0700
 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Hi Dorothy,

I don't think you need to leave the list. I don't think everybody had trouble with your posting. Perhaps, if you sent a message to Klaus's own mailbox, there was a problem. You've been sending them to the list and I
don't see there is anything wrong there.
Computers can do weird things at times. I had received a hilarious joke the other day and I tried over and over to forward it to other people and it
just sat in my outbox forever.

Barbara




I don't understand what I did wrong. I'm very sorry I caused you trouble. I do not need to learn any more about Feldhusen.....I joined this list primarily to give details about what happened to them after they left Germany. Just take me off the list and I will move on to other work. Thank
you.

Dorothy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Friedrichs" <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:58 AM
Subject: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg


Hello Dorothy Johnston,

your mailbox is blocking my mails permanently.

"A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net"

If you are interested in exchanging data or in receiving corrections to your
data, keep your box opened.

Otherwise I will cease my cooperation.
It is disgusting in getting mails back.

Klaus

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RE: [HN] [AMF-Forschung] CLAUS o. GNTHER aus Eibenberg / evtl. RUMBERG o. DIETRICH aus Chemnitz nach Hannover o. Hildesheim gezogen? (fwd)

Date: 2007/02/07 02:19:32
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Liebe Mitforscher,

Ich habe amerikanische Fotos 1920-1930 mit geometrischem Rand der  DecoArt.

Ideen.

Möglicherweise grössere Wahrscheinlichkeit, die dein Foto gekennzeichnet wird, indem man hier veröffentlicht:

http://www.deadfred.com/

Eine andere Idee.

Ein lokales Fotolabor konnte beschäftigen oder Fotoausdehnungsgefäß mit Samson u. Co. Hannover und Hildesheim vertraut verweisen.

Eine andere Idee.

Addressbucher.

Barbie-Lew

A-Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: <adelheid.web(a)web.de>
To: <erz-l(a)genealogy.net>,<sachsen-l(a)genealogy.net>,<amf(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [AMF-Forschung] CLAUS o. GÜNTHER aus Eibenberg / evtl. RUMBERG o. DIETRICH aus Chemnitz nach Hannover o. Hildesheim gezogen?

Liebe Mitforscher,

wie ich vorhin schon schrieb, habe ich ein Album mit einer Menge
Fotos von Personen, die ich nicht kenne.

Das größte Rätsel ist dieses Bild: zw. 1900 und 1915: Eine sitzende
dicke Dame mit drei kleinen Kindern (1 Knabe, 2 Mädchen) und mit
einem dicken Säugling auf dem rechten Arm. Sie sind alle sehr gut
gekleidet!

Fotograf: Samson & Co. Hannover und Hildesheim.
          Handschriftliche Nr.: 2620.
Falls jemand eine ähnl. Nr. dieses Fotografen hat, und den Zeitpunkt
seiner Aufnahme kennt, könnte man so wenigstens schon mal das Auf-
nahme-Jahr bestimmen. Die Rückseite hat Jugendstil-Verzierungen.

Sie ist entweder die  Tochter  oder  Schwiegertochter  von:
CLAUS / CLAUß oder GÜNTHER (aus Eibenberg o. Chemnitz) o. evtl. von:
DIETRICH oder RUMBERG aus Chemnitz.

Kennt zufällig jemand diese Personen?  Scan schicke ich gern.

Könnte jemand diese Mail auch an die für Hannover u./o. Hildesheim
zuständigen Liste weiterleiten? Die Antworten dann bitte direkt an
mich, da ich zu dieser Liste keinen Zugang habe.

Danke und viele Grüße,
Carla (Bartmann)

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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/07 02:29:24
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Dorothy & Klaus,

Perhaps your mail filter is set to exclusive and this is why mail is being rejected? Perhaps add Klaus to your address book would work.

Or..

If the " was mistakenly carried over into the email addy.. I think this would prevent delivery.

Barbie-Lew



I have had no problem with your e-mails.

There have been a lot of spammers using return mail routes
to get their junk to you.  Why am I going on like
this???--If anyone has a serious problem with this list
he/she should contact the administrator and leave the list
to genealogy.

Gale


On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:59:25 -0700
  R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Dorothy,
>
>     I don't think you need to leave the list. I don't
>think everybody had
> trouble with your posting. Perhaps, if you sent a
>message to Klaus's own
> mailbox, there was a problem. You've been sending them
>to the list and I
> don't see there is anything wrong there.
>    Computers can do weird things at times.  I had
>received a hilarious joke
> the other day and I tried over and over to forward it to
>other people and it
> just sat in my outbox forever.
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>> I don't understand what I did wrong.  I'm very sorry I
>>caused you trouble.
>> I do not need to learn any more about Feldhusen.....I
>>joined this list
>> primarily to give details about what happened to them
>>after they left
>> Germany.  Just take me off the list and I will move on
>>to other work.  Thank
>> you.
>>
>> Dorothy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Klaus Friedrichs" <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>
>> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:58 AM
>> Subject: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg
>>
>>
>> Hello Dorothy Johnston,
>>
>> your mailbox is blocking my mails permanently.
>>
>> "A message that you sent could not be delivered to one
>>or more of its
>> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following
>>address(es) failed:
>>
>>   dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net"
>>
>> If you are interested in exchanging data or in receiving
>>corrections to your
>> data, keep your box opened.
>>
>> Otherwise I will cease my cooperation.
>> It is disgusting in getting mails back.
>>
>> Klaus
>>
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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/07 03:22:54
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Gale <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
I concur with Barbara.  There are two primary reasons mail
is returned.  One is that the address is nonexistant and
the second is that it was incorrectly written.

There are two others you are overlooking beyond the two "biggies" already mentioned. One is that the recipient's inbox is full, and since it has exceeded its volume allowance, it rejects anything more in the way of incoming mail heading its way. This can be corrected by simply making adequate space available. The other is due to overly aggressive/restrictive SPAM filters or rules in place, generally at the e-mail client end but occasionally connected to the firewall. These can either be via broad restrictions (rules in place, to include the rejection of attachments) or targeted to specific e mail or URL addresses (often times set accidentally).

You'd be wise to check all for all of these possibilities if this continues.

Jb

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Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/07 04:19:38
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net> wrote:

Here is a funny little anecdote you both might enjoy: Many years ago on my first visit to Bremen, a friend of a cousin who lived there offered to show me around. On the way from Vilsen to Bremen she asked me what Jane would be auf deutsch. (Germans have difficulty pronouncing the French-sounding first letter of Jane). I told her it would be Johanne. Much later as I was admiring the famous Stadtmusikanten, I heard someone calling "Hanni! Hanni!" from across the square. Even for me, it took a while to register that she was calling me!

I can picture it perfectly. I still have difficulty recognizing the slew of nicknames I've been given, the most prevalent ones being "Schlingel" "Nichtsnutz" "Hillbillyknabe" "Störenfried" "Knochenkopf" and "Lump". None are diminutives as you can see, and that last one is a family favorite I can't seem to shake. Fortunately I don't know what any mean, but they all sound nice when they're said with a smile.

Oh I almost forgot "Hey you, yes you nitwit!" still gets me every time. :)

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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/07 05:21:05
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

HI JB:

Your thoughts are valid, but in this case we are
communicating with Barbara - No full mailbox. (the response for a full mailbox is normally "undeliverable due to full mailbox"), however, there are a lot of programs out there. Also others on the same list are not being screened.

Gale

On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:22:44 -0800
 "J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Gale <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
I concur with Barbara. There are two primary reasons mail
is returned.  One is that the address is nonexistant and
the second is that it was incorrectly written.

There are two others you are overlooking beyond the two "biggies" already mentioned. One is that the recipient's inbox is full, and since it has exceeded its volume allowance, it rejects anything more in the way of incoming mail heading its way. This can be corrected by simply making adequate space available. The other is due to overly aggressive/restrictive SPAM filters or rules in place, generally at the e-mail client end but occasionally connected to the firewall. These can either be via broad restrictions (rules in place, to include the rejection of attachments) or targeted to specific e mail or URL addresses (often times set accidentally).

You'd be wise to check all for all of these possibilities if this continues.

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Re: [HN] Celle: Catharina Beijker

Date: 2007/02/07 06:47:47
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Peter,

      It is not easy to find the name Beijker.  It appears to be Dutch‹so
how would it be written in German? Or were Catharina Louise¹s parents
actually Dutch and living in Germany?

     You could view the church records that the LDS (Mormon church) have. If
you are near a LDS center, you could order the microfilm and view it there.
The records for Celle are here:

 Germany, Preußen, Hannover, Celle - Church records

Kirchenbuch, 1706-1865  Katholische Kirche Celle
Kirchenbuch, 1709-1852  Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirche Celle (StKr. Celle)

Kirchenbuch, 1757-1905  Evangelische Kirche. Militärgemeinde Celle

Kirchenbuch, 1802-1930  Evangelische Kirche. Garnisongemeinde Münster
(Westfalen)

Good luck,
Barbara 











> Can anyone help me finding data on Catharina Louise BEIJKER, born in Celle ca.
> 1754, and her husband Carl Ludwig ARENS, probably born in Celle as well. They
> married around 1790, probably in Celle.  After her marriage the couple moved
> to Amsterdam, where a son was born in 1797. Peter Mouton
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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/07 10:18:52
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Well perhaps I'm missing something among the messages that were sent, and I admit I dropped that additional advice without really looking at all the messages (since those are what tend to be causes so many of these kinds of errors), but going back a bit now, is it not the same issue where Klaus cannot get his e mail over to Dorothy? I can't see where Barbara - and the list for that matter - figures prominently in this. Unless I'm missing something obvious, or something has transpired offline I'm out of the loop on (?).

If the issue is indeed the recent e-mail failure between Klaus and Dorothy, one of their ISP's mail servers is most likely having a problem "handshaking" with the other side. One may be flagging the other as either being a source of spam, or a channel through which it is delivered. Some e mail server administrators choose to run open relays or proxies; others will refuse anything coming from open ones since spammers often send their junk through these kinds of channels. This is because open relays act as amplifiers and anonymizers for spammed messages [an open relay is simply a mail server that will accept and deliver mail from point A to point B without question].

Many ISPs have begun implementing stricter filter systems on their servers over the last few years, with far greater restrictions in place than in earlier times. This is an ongoing practice, so things can change at any time with them (they all act independently and strictly with their own security interests in mind). So it often comes down to how any given ISP sets up their security settings and filtering baselines, and that is subject to change at any time.

I'd suggest both parties contact their respective ISPs and point them to the rejected e mails so that those folks can examine the header information. This should determine where and what the hang-up is between the two servers. Legitimate mail getting erroneously blocked is nothing new, especially with all the junk mail floating about nowadays. No ISP firm (or server) is obliged to accept mail from anywhere, but if they do reject it, they should at least give sensible and valid reasons. An American based ISP might choose to block perfectly legitimate e mails sent from say a British or German ISP, or it might be just the opposite! Sometimes automated systems create blacklists that are at the root of this trouble. Other times the problem comes from incorrectly issued - and thus unrecognized - dynamic (residential) IP address ranges which will be rejected out of hand by many servers, since those kinds are not allowed direct access. An ISP might also choose to block specific domains. For any of these reasons, you have to ask the ISP to do something about it, as in unblock the block!

Keep in mind, bounced e mails can also come from certain viruses or worms infecting one's system locally, transmission timeouts or DNS caching issues, a malfunctioning or misconfigured (or simply cheap and unreliable) mail server at the host site, or the use of antiquated (non-updated) spammer blacklists. Any of these can cause permanent SMPT error messages, aka "Fatal Errors" (temporary ones are where the server indicates it will retry a number of times to push through a hung message, with no intervention on your part required). However as soon as you see "Permanent Error" in the rejection return, there's little point in attempting to resend the mail, as it is unlikely to change.

Beyond that, all Internet Providers have ISP-specific space and usage limits. Also the sending mail server may require you to authenticate (confirm your identity) to it. Sometimes you need to check with your e mail provider to see that you are properly set up via your e-mail client. One of the ISPs in question may also simply have misconfigured one of their SMTP->SMS gateways, or intentionally locked them down because of excessive SPAM or DDOS attacks. On and on it goes.

As for the clarity of SMPT return error messages, trust me they are not always as precise or clear as you might think (no more than Windows generates clear error codes at all times). The error message one reads on one end may not be spelled out the same on the other. This is generally determined by how a server is set up to begin with. Only the header information on the rejected messages and tracer pings will render a clearer picture. And that is an ISP support dept's responsibility.

Both parties should contact their Internet Service Provider before assuming the fault lies on the opposite side. Whoever has the actual rejected messages (with the requisite header info), start there.

Hope this helps gang. File for future reference!

Jb

PS. Gale shake me good if I'm overlooking something obvious (wouldn't be the first time I needed it).

From: <gale(a)bosche.info>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:08:49 -0500

HI JB:

Your thoughts are valid, but in this case we are
communicating with Barbara - No full mailbox. (the
response for a full mailbox is normally "undeliverable due
to full mailbox"), however, there are a lot of programs
out there.  Also others on the same list are not being
screened.

Gale

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[HN] SMTP

Date: 2007/02/07 10:37:04
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

es ist spät!

SMPT => SMTP [Simple Mail Transfer Protocol]

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Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois, USA

Date: 2007/02/07 11:45:07
From: Alexander Fricke <alexgenealogie(a)yahoo.de>

Hello Paddy and Barbara,

it's all right.

"Okt. 1863: vor ca. 10 Jahren" means about, that the
family emigratet to Amerika was wright down in October
1863, but the point of time was circa 10 years before
["vor ca. 10 years" = before circa 10 years]

If you want, you could request a photocopy from this
document from the Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover. 
The signature of the dokument is "Hann. 74 Marienburg
Nr. 695  [ Klassifikationskennzahl: 01.24. ]"

Best greetings from Peine [circa 20 kilometer from
Söhlde]

Alexander (Fricke)



> Paddy,
> 
>     I would like to say that your question is
> solved, but there is a problem
> with dates! I found this in the Hannover archives:
> 
> 1. Miehe, Heinrich, Söhlde
> 3. Kotsasse und Zimmermann
> 5. Miehe, Elisabeth, geb. Heumann;
>    Miehe, Carl Conrad Ferdinand (geb. 25. 05. 1843)
> 7. Amerika
> 8. Okt. 1863: vor ca. 10 Jahren
> 
> You find this by going to this site:
> http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/
> 
> In the blank space, put Miehe Söhlde and click on
> Suchen (search). On the
> results, it's the last one listed. You can click on
> that and see the whole
> record. Could you be wrong about the date--you said
> 1852 and this says 1863?
> 
> Barbara


Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/07 14:31:13
From: JRodenburg <JRodenburg(a)aol.com>

johnbrene(a)hotmail.com writes:

>  can picture it perfectly. I still have difficulty recognizing the slew of 
> nicknames I've been given, the most prevalent ones being "Schlingel" 
> "Nichtsnutz" 

Nichtsnutz seems to be from around the Berlin area.

My favorite was schnickelfritz. These are terms of endearment, but could also 
be applied to little troublemakers. Schnickelfritz is Plattdeutsch. There was 
a good discussion of these terms a year or two ago on the Lowlands list. Keep 
in mind, most of our immigrant ancestors were trilingual: English, Platt and 
Hoch deutsch. I recommend at least reviewing the lowlands list and website to 
get a flavor for a whole new linguistic world out there that we tend to 
ignore.

Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg
Rodenburg (Tarmstedt, Amt Rotenburg, Hannover)
Brunkhorst (Stemmen, Amt Rotenburg, Hannover)
Werner (Langen, Hesse-Darmstadt),
Steinke (Kreis Schlochau, Pommern)
Krause (Kreis Schlochau, Pommern)
Schröder (Warsow, Mecklenburg-Schwerin), 
Meyer (Eitzendorf, Kreis Hoya, Hannover)
Hinkeldey (Wechold, Kreis Hoya, Hannover)
Zum Mallen (Schierholz, Kreis Hoya, Hannover) 
Röhrdanz (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

[HN] Diehle/Ernst aus Südniedersachsen

Date: 2007/02/07 17:13:51
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Charlotte Wilhelmine Diehle * um 1725, + 22-3-1792 in Grone & 5-11-1752 in Grone mit Johann Friedrich Ernst * 11-11-1719 in Sieboldshausen+ 22-8-1787 in Grone, Zimmermann
Kind:Maria Charlotta Ernst * 18-4-1761 in Grone:

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn





Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/07 17:32:56
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi JB:

I am opting out of this thread. I have already contributed too much to a subject outside of genealogy. For that, I APOLOGIZE to the members of the list. Because I was not alert, I simply lost sight of when to stop, or maybe just not to start.

Gale

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:18:42 -0800
 "J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Well perhaps I'm missing something among the messages that were sent, and I admit I dropped that additional advice without really looking at all the messages (since those are what tend to be causes so many of these kinds of errors), but going back a bit now, is it not the same issue where Klaus cannot get his e mail over to Dorothy? I can't see where Barbara - and the list for that matter - figures prominently in this. Unless I'm missing something obvious, or something has transpired offline I'm out of the loop on (?).

If the issue is indeed the recent e-mail failure between Klaus and Dorothy, one of their ISP's mail servers is most likely having a problem "handshaking" with the other side. One may be flagging the other as either being a source of spam, or a channel through which it is delivered. Some e mail server administrators choose to run open relays or proxies; others will refuse anything coming from open ones since spammers often send their junk through these kinds of channels. This is because open relays act as amplifiers and anonymizers for spammed messages [an open relay is simply a mail server that will accept and deliver mail from point A to point B without question].

Many ISPs have begun implementing stricter filter systems on their servers over the last few years, with far greater restrictions in place than in earlier times. This is an ongoing practice, so things can change at any time with them (they all act independently and strictly with their own security interests in mind). So it often comes down to how any given ISP sets up their security settings and filtering baselines, and that is subject to change at any time.

I'd suggest both parties contact their respective ISPs and point them to the rejected e mails so that those folks can examine the header information. This should determine where and what the hang-up is between the two servers. Legitimate mail getting erroneously blocked is nothing new, especially with all the junk mail floating about nowadays. No ISP firm (or server) is obliged to accept mail from anywhere, but if they do reject it, they should at least give sensible and valid reasons. An American based ISP might choose to block perfectly legitimate e mails sent from say a British or German ISP, or it might be just the opposite! Sometimes automated systems create blacklists that are at the root of this trouble. Other times the problem comes from incorrectly issued - and thus unrecognized - dynamic (residential) IP address ranges which will be rejected out of hand by many servers, since those kinds are not allowed direct access. An ISP might also choose to block specific domains. For any of these reasons, you have to ask the ISP to do something about it, as in unblock the block!

Keep in mind, bounced e mails can also come from certain viruses or worms infecting one's system locally, transmission timeouts or DNS caching issues, a malfunctioning or misconfigured (or simply cheap and unreliable) mail server at the host site, or the use of antiquated (non-updated) spammer blacklists. Any of these can cause permanent SMPT error messages, aka "Fatal Errors" (temporary ones are where the server indicates it will retry a number of times to push through a hung message, with no intervention on your part required). However as soon as you see "Permanent Error" in the rejection return, there's little point in attempting to resend the mail, as it is unlikely to change.

Beyond that, all Internet Providers have ISP-specific space and usage limits. Also the sending mail server may require you to authenticate (confirm your identity) to it. Sometimes you need to check with your e mail provider to see that you are properly set up via your e-mail client. One of the ISPs in question may also simply have misconfigured one of their SMTP->SMS gateways, or intentionally locked them down because of excessive SPAM or DDOS attacks. On and on it goes.

As for the clarity of SMPT return error messages, trust me they are not always as precise or clear as you might think (no more than Windows generates clear error codes at all times). The error message one reads on one end may not be spelled out the same on the other. This is generally determined by how a server is set up to begin with. Only the header information on the rejected messages and tracer pings will render a clearer picture. And that is an ISP support dept's responsibility.

Both parties should contact their Internet Service Provider before assuming the fault lies on the opposite side. Whoever has the actual rejected messages (with the requisite header info), start there.

Hope this helps gang. File for future reference!

Jb

PS. Gale shake me good if I'm overlooking something obvious (wouldn't be the first time I needed it).

From: <gale(a)bosche.info>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:08:49 -0500

HI JB:

Your thoughts are valid, but in this case we are
communicating with Barbara - No full mailbox. (the
response for a full mailbox is normally "undeliverable due
to full mailbox"), however, there are a lot of programs
out there.  Also others on the same list are not being
screened.

Gale

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Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois, USA

Date: 2007/02/07 18:52:57
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Alexander and Paddy,

      I also want to point out that sometimes a family or individuals go
back to Germany (or any birthplace) to visit someone or bring children back
to the U.S. Maybe the Miehe's did indeed immigrate in 1852 and then go to
Germany 10 years later and return in 1863. However I do not find them in the
1870 census--but I'm using the index and the name could be misspelled.

    Paddy, could you provide the names of the males in the family who were
born in Hannover?  In the 1900 U.S. Census, the date of immigration is
listed.  However, the original Miehe couple were no longer living in 1900.
Would the child listed in the Hannover archives be called Carl Conrad
Ferdinand Miehe? Or is there a shortened version of his name? I haven't
found him in the 1900 census.

Barbara



 Hello Paddy and Barbara,
> 
> it's all right.
> 
> "Okt. 1863: vor ca. 10 Jahren" means about, that the
> family emigratet to Amerika was wright down in October
> 1863, but the point of time was circa 10 years before
> ["vor ca. 10 years" = before circa 10 years]
> 
> If you want, you could request a photocopy from this
> document from the Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover.
> The signature of the dokument is "Hann. 74 Marienburg
> Nr. 695  [ Klassifikationskennzahl: 01.24. ]"
> 
> Best greetings from Peine [circa 20 kilometer from
> Söhlde]
> 
> Alexander (Fricke)
> 
> 
> 
>> Paddy,
>> 
>>     I would like to say that your question is
>> solved, but there is a problem
>> with dates! I found this in the Hannover archives:
>> 
>> 1. Miehe, Heinrich, Söhlde
>> 3. Kotsasse und Zimmermann
>> 5. Miehe, Elisabeth, geb. Heumann;
>>    Miehe, Carl Conrad Ferdinand (geb. 25. 05. 1843)
>> 7. Amerika
>> 8. Okt. 1863: vor ca. 10 Jahren
>> 
>> You find this by going to this site:
>> http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/
>> 
>> In the blank space, put Miehe Söhlde and click on
>> Suchen (search). On the
>> results, it's the last one listed. You can click on
>> that and see the whole
>> record. Could you be wrong about the date--you said
>> 1852 and this says 1863?
>> 
>> Barbara
> 
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[HN] Erweiterung der Daten

Date: 2007/02/07 20:53:27
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[Weitergeleitete Nachricht von "M-Horsley" <horsley(a)teleos-web.de>
Hinweis an Michael: Bitte benutze kein Hintergrundbild, damit Deine
E-Mail direkt an die Liste geschickt wird.]

> Betreff:
> Datum: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:18:00 +0100
> Von: "M-Horsley" <horsley(a)teleos-web.de>
> An: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> 
> Michael Horsley
> PF 200134
> 31669 Bückeburg
> 
> Wer kann mir bei der Erweiterung meiner Daten helfen? auf der
> Webseite die hier als Link angegeben ist findet Ihr alles was ich
> bisher habe
> 
> danke
> 
> Who can help me with the extension of my data? on the web page those
> as left indicated is here finds to her everything which I so far has
> 
> thanks
> 
> Michael
> 
> Link: http://www.noni-onlineweb.de.vu/



Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/08 00:18:36
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Beg to differ Gale. I classify these things as educational, as sooner or later just about everyone experiences such problems. I've yet to be on a list or forum or BBS exchange, going back to the early days of the Net on Gopher and UseNet, where these types of issues did not come up with some degree of regularity. Why you feel this is not genlist related is beyond me, when this forum itself is e-mail based. If anyone read the ensuing messages, they should now know such things can be cause by a wide variety of things (like almost everything else computer related), but at the same time it does not need to remain a mystery or voodoo magic. If they make the requisite checks on their system (as were posted), and then touch bases with their ISP beyond that, they should be able to rectify these kinds of issues, and they're only the wiser for it now. It's the same way I learned such things ages ago --- someone pointed them out!

Since these messages have all been posted under the 'FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg' thread, presumably Klaus and Dorothy are reading them since they initiated it, and will soon be exchanging their familial notes as a consequence of what was suggested (assuming they act on it). So why the need to apologize to the list for trying to lend a hand here? A lot of other folks may have learned something to boot. If anyone is miffed by such offerings, they should simply ignore the thread, or learn to use that button called DELETE.

Jb

From: <gale(a)bosche.info>>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:31:49 -0500

Hi JB:

I am opting out of this thread.  I have already
contributed too much to a subject outside of genealogy.
For that, I APOLOGIZE to the members of the list. Because
I was not alert, I simply lost sight of when to stop, or
maybe just not to start.

Gale

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Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg

Date: 2007/02/08 00:22:37
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

Well said Jb.

Janice

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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:18 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg


Beg to differ Gale. I classify these things as educational, as sooner or 
later just about everyone experiences such problems. I've yet to be on a 
list or forum or BBS exchange, going back to the early days of the Net on 
Gopher and UseNet, where these types of issues did not come up with some 
degree of regularity. Why you feel this is not genlist related is beyond me, 
when this forum itself is e-mail based. If anyone read the ensuing messages, 
they should now know such things can be cause by a wide variety of things 
(like almost everything else computer related), but at the same time it does 
not need to remain a mystery or voodoo magic. If they make the requisite 
checks on their system (as were posted), and then touch bases with their ISP 
beyond that, they should be able to rectify these kinds of issues, and 
they're only the wiser for it now. It's the same way I learned such things 
ages ago --- someone pointed them out!

Since these messages have all been posted under the 'FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg' 
thread, presumably Klaus and Dorothy are reading them since they initiated 
it, and will soon be exchanging their familial notes as a consequence of 
what was suggested (assuming they act on it). So why the need to apologize 
to the list for trying to lend a hand here? A lot of other folks may have 
learned something to boot. If anyone is miffed by such offerings, they 
should simply ignore the thread, or learn to use that button called DELETE.

Jb

>From: <gale(a)bosche.info>>
>To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: Re: [HN] FELDHUSEN in Meyenburg
>Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:31:49 -0500
>
>Hi JB:
>
>I am opting out of this thread.  I have already
>contributed too much to a subject outside of genealogy.
>For that, I APOLOGIZE to the members of the list. Because
>I was not alert, I simply lost sight of when to stop, or
>maybe just not to start.
>
>Gale

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Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/08 03:25:38
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

JRod <JRodenburg(a)aol.com> wrote:

I recommend at least reviewing the lowlands list and website to get a flavor for a whole new linguistic world out there that we tend to ignore.

Smart tip. Of all the variants I've heard, Schwitzerdütsch (Swiss German) is still the wildest. It sounds so clickety clackety! An old school chum of mine used to call it "non-stop guttural" and "tongue-flapping noise". But of course there's a charm to it all its own once you listen to it a bit (and stop shaking your head in disbelief, as your eyes roll round and round).

Not that -WE- should be poking any fun here. Most Americans sound like little honey bees with our pronounced nasal passage inflection. A Dane I knew long ago used to kid me he could spot a Yank a mile away simply because of the "buzzing" sounds he heard. %*)%*($# exaggerator! Bless his tiny soul, I refused to drink Carlsberg after that. <jk>

Americans in particular tend to struggle with the rolling German "r" sound since our version is so drawn out and emphasized (and roll free). In proper Deutsch, the tip of the tongue needs to head upward towards the roof of the mouth as air goes past. It helps to try to imitate the sound of a cat purring, while simultaneously attempting the "r" sound (use "drei" for practice). But to do it right, it still needs to be crisp and quick.

They say the our Brit friends struggle more with the deeper vowel sounds in German, especially with the "u" which runs quite deep [like "Zug" (train) which they instinctively pronounce more as "zooog" (= goose) instead of "tsug" with a low and short "u"].

Ah well, may we all trip and stumble towards rhyme and reason and eventual bliss.

Bis spöter. Chäschüechli!

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Re: [HN] Searching for JOHANN BUTT, daughter TRUDCHEN and wife BERTHA

Date: 2007/02/08 03:48:03
From: LoliNettling <LoliNettling(a)aol.com>

Would anyone have JOHANN BUTT, his wife BERTHA and daughter  TRUDCHEN  ( maybe
 
GERTRUD or GERTRUDE in his list?   The area to look for would  probably be 
around 
 
GEESTEMUENDE, WANNA, BUSCHHAUSEN, CUXHAVEN. I just found a  card  of 
 
grandmother´s konfirmation in 1896 with those names on it. As I could not  
trace JOHANN
 
HINRICH BUTT  of WANNA till now, maybe these names could help to find  a 
connection.  
 
They were related to my greatgrandmother ANNA  GESINE ADELHEID   BUTT 
*23.8.1854
 
in BUSCHHAUSEN, maybe her brother. Her father was JOHANN-HINRICH BUTT ,  born 
in 
 
WANNA, later married in BUSCHHAUSEN.    Thanks a lot!
 
 
Wer hat evtl. JOHANN BUTT, seine Frau BERTHA und Tochter TRUDCHEN  (Gertrud??)
 
in seiner AL? Wäre für jeden Hinweis sehr dankbar!   Loretta  Nettling

Re: [HN] Searching for JOHANN BUTT, daughter TRUDCHEN and wife BERTHA

Date: 2007/02/08 04:38:08
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Loretta,

     You should run a search for Butt/Buschhausen and you will find quite a
few returns:
http://meta.genealogy.net/

Barbara
    




> Would anyone have JOHANN BUTT, his wife BERTHA and daughter  TRUDCHEN  ( maybe
>  
> GERTRUD or GERTRUDE in his list?   The area to look for would  probably be
> around 
>  
> GEESTEMUENDE, WANNA, BUSCHHAUSEN, CUXHAVEN. I just found a  card  of
>  
> grandmother´s konfirmation in 1896 with those names on it. As I could not
> trace JOHANN
>  
> HINRICH BUTT  of WANNA till now, maybe these names could help to find  a
> connection.  
>  
> They were related to my greatgrandmother ANNA  GESINE ADELHEID   BUTT
> *23.8.1854
>  
> in BUSCHHAUSEN, maybe her brother. Her father was JOHANN-HINRICH BUTT ,  born
> in 
>  
> WANNA, later married in BUSCHHAUSEN.    Thanks a lot!
>  
>  
> Wer hat evtl. JOHANN BUTT, seine Frau BERTHA und Tochter TRUDCHEN  (Gertrud??)
>  
> in seiner AL? Wäre für jeden Hinweis sehr dankbar!   Loretta  Nettling
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Date: 2007/02/08 06:21:53
From: SngKetner <SngKetner(a)cs.com>

 

Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg .Teil, 7 + 8

Date: 2007/02/08 06:35:03
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

"J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
...
> Any way you look at it, the Bolsheviks were 
> looking to expand the Communistic "World Revolution" and even briefly pulled 
> it off in Germany. There was only one political group prepared and willing 
> to deal with this threat before it engulfed the country, the NSDAP. 

Sorry JB, but that sounds a bit like the old recipe of getting rid of the cholera by sprea-ding the pestilence. Historians, as far the scientifique ones are concerned, found that exactly this wrong hope put on the Nazis by the still established parts of Germany society in that times made them gain in 1933.

> It does 
> not surprise me the SPD hung back to protect themselves. Either one of those 
> parties would have steamrolled right over them, and trust me for what it's 
> worth, the KPD, the Spartakusbund and Red Front Fighters' League were not 
> going to go away without a fight.

Only a prospering economy would have managed that. Intelligence to manage economy, cannot be found or build in street- or other fights. Seems to be an permanent error of politics, that getting the might is already enough and sufficient qualification to solve problems. So you might take it also as some sort of wisdom, not to be envolved in street fights and try in-stead to keep and influence parlamentarian democracy.
> 
> As it were, the SA (Sturmabteilung) and Freikorps simply hit harder, and 
> eventually ground the Reds into camp dust. In time they turned their guns 
> towards the source of the Revolution -- Soviet Russia.

Sorry, but this also is a myth to me. If America would have lay in the East and had began at the Polish border, National Socialists would have started the same war in 1939, as they didn`t make any differences between the countries they captured in point of ruling ideology or ecomomy form. They had only one principle : might. In the end to silly to find an answer on: might, what for ? 
 
> Bests to you. Jb

Yes and vice versa to you. HPA



Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/08 09:29:25
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>

----- Original Message -----
From: "J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
To: <Hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Nicknames


> Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Here is a funny little anecdote you both might enjoy:  Many years ago on
my
> >first visit to Bremen, a friend of a cousin who lived there offered to
show
> >me around.  On the way from Vilsen to Bremen she asked me what Jane would
> >be auf deutsch.  (Germans have difficulty pronouncing the French-sounding
> >first letter of Jane).  I told her it would be Johanne.  Much later as I
> >was admiring the famous Stadtmusikanten, I heard someone calling "Hanni!
> >Hanni!" from across the square.  Even for me, it took a while to register
> >that she was calling me!
>
> I can picture it perfectly. I still have difficulty recognizing the slew
of
> nicknames I've been given, the most prevalent ones being "Schlingel"
> "Nichtsnutz" "Hillbillyknabe" "Störenfried" "Knochenkopf" and "Lump". None
> are diminutives as you can see, and that last one is a family favorite I
> can't seem to shake. Fortunately I don't know what any mean, but they all
> sound nice when they're said with a smile.
>
> Oh I almost forgot "Hey you, yes you nitwit!" still gets me every time. :)
>
> Jb
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[HN] Redecker in Harpstedt

Date: 2007/02/08 11:39:47
From: Dr. R.P. Mouton <moutonrp(a)tiscali.nl>

With help of the Liste I found that Heinrich Ludwig REDECKER (REDECKE, REDEKE) , whose marriage (1838) was found in Diepholz, was born in Harpstedt ca. 1812. Can anyone help me find data on his baptism or birth, and his parents, possibly other forefathers. According to my internet search these data should be present in the Archives of Hannover. Peter Mouton

Re: [HN] Redecker in Harpstedt

Date: 2007/02/08 12:47:27
From: Elizabeth <aliens(a)bigpond.net.au>

Hello Peter,

Unfortunately the LDS do not seem to have filmed the records you need. Maybe your best option is to apply to the Church archives.

Look at http://www.kirche-harpstedt.de/

Click on Genealogy and you will find the details in English on how to obtain the baptism you need, fees apply.

Address of the parish office:
Ev. Kirchengemeinde Harpstedt
1. Kirchstraße 2
27243 Harpstedt
Germany
Tel: +49-4244-452
Fax: +49-4244-452
E-mail: Buero(a)Kirche-Harpstedt.de

Elizabeth
Greetings from Australia

At 11:39 AM 8/02/2007 +0100, you wrote:

With help of the Liste I found that Heinrich Ludwig REDECKER (REDECKE, REDEKE) , whose marriage (1838) was found in Diepholz, was born in Harpstedt ca. 1812. Can anyone help me find data on his baptism or birth, and his parents, possibly other forefathers. According to my internet search these data should be present in the Archives of Hannover. Peter Mouton



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Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 39, Eintrag 19, Message 3

Date: 2007/02/08 14:47:22
From: LoliNettling <LoliNettling(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 08.02.2007 12:28:21 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

http://meta.genealogy.net/


Concerning JOHANN and BERTHA BUTT:   
 
Dear Barbara, thanks for your reply, but I checked that page already,  cannot 
find such a constellation of Johann and Bertha, Johann being born  probably 
around 1820-1860. Any other idea maybe??    Loretta

Re: [HN] Unsubscribe me, please.

Date: 2007/02/08 15:48:00
From: Peter Stines <pete1832(a)hotmail.com>

Please unsubscribe me as well


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[HN] immigration found this 'nice to know' , and airlines searching?

Date: 2007/02/08 17:24:04
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>


  You probably have to have ancestry.com subscription.

  I found it accidently the way best things are found.

  [1]http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7488&path=1869
  It is all the ship lists for 1869. You can work with the arrival date.
  Search here and then go back to the Hamburg list from germany and see
  if all the same. Maybe two to three weeks back.

  While going through passenger lists I happen to see a Luhmann from
  Eichdorf traveling to amerika. I left it and hurried on. Later, I
  looked one up at castle garden. Yes may 5,1869. Then I found   I did
  find this Luhmann on hamburg lists leaving
  april 16, 1869 with his wife and daughter.  Finding this information
  of above short cut is wonderful. Very nice to know. Not sure if it is
  the same as posted before.

    Now have to go back and find him on german list to make sure there
  were not two different sets.  Something is nagging at me that I
  thought the mans name was Christian or Ernest and this Luhmann is
  listed as Heinrich only. I know I wrote down the page number of the
  first Luhmann I  saw  SOMEWHERE.

  Now  an added subject  AIRLINES are also included, if there were any
  in 1869. But it suggests data to 1950's.

  It could be helpful.







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Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/08 18:06:24
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Thanks for the description of Swiss German.  I have found my Swiss-German great-grandmother's maiden name spelled 14 quite different ways and have suspected that!  Although she never ventured west of NJ, on her return from a visit back to Switzerland in the late 1800s her residence was listed on the ship's Manifest as Chicago, so I had figured that arose from some real mangling of "West Hoboken" with a Swiss German accent!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J b 
  To: Hannover-l(a)genealogy.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [HN] Nicknames


  JRod <JRodenburg(a)aol.com> wrote:

  >I recommend at least reviewing the lowlands list and website to get a 
  >flavor for a whole new linguistic world out there that we tend to ignore.

  Smart tip. Of all the variants I've heard, Schwitzerdütsch (Swiss German) is 
  still the wildest. It sounds so clickety clackety! An old school chum of 
  mine used to call it "non-stop guttural" and "tongue-flapping noise". But of 
  course there's a charm to it all its own once you listen to it a bit (and 
  stop shaking your head in disbelief, as your eyes roll round and round).

  Not that -WE- should be poking any fun here. Most Americans sound like 
  little honey bees with our pronounced nasal passage inflection. A Dane I 
  knew long ago used to kid me he could spot a Yank a mile away simply because 
  of the "buzzing" sounds he heard. %*)%*($#  exaggerator! Bless his tiny 
  soul, I refused to drink Carlsberg after that. <jk>

  Americans in particular tend to struggle with the rolling German "r" sound 
  since our version is so drawn out and emphasized (and roll free). In proper 
  Deutsch, the tip of the tongue needs to head upward towards the roof of the 
  mouth as air goes past. It helps to try to imitate the sound of a cat 
  purring, while simultaneously attempting the "r" sound (use "drei" for 
  practice). But to do it right, it still needs to be crisp and quick.

  They say the our Brit friends struggle more with the deeper vowel sounds in 
  German, especially with the "u" which runs quite deep [like "Zug" (train) 
  which they instinctively pronounce more as "zooog" (= goose) instead of 
  "tsug" with a low and short "u"].

  Ah well, may we all trip and stumble towards rhyme and reason and eventual 
  bliss.

  Bis spöter. Chäschüechli!

  [oder für dich John: Wämmer eis go ziie? he he heeeeee] :)

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[HN] Schulenburg - Hillmer in Gerdau

Date: 2007/02/08 18:12:00
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

Rolf:

I have a marriage between HILLMER and SCHULENBURG in Gerdau.  Any
connection?

Bonita



Re: [HN] Nicknames

Date: 2007/02/09 00:53:14
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com> wrote:

Thanks for the description of Swiss German. I have found my Swiss-German great-grandmother's maiden name spelled 14 quite different ways and have suspected that! Although she never ventured west of NJ, on her return from a visit back to Switzerland in the late 1800s her residence was listed on the ship's Manifest as Chicago, so I had figured that arose from some real mangling of "West Hoboken" with a Swiss German accent!

I bet that accounts for it Maureen - on both counts. 14 variations is substantial, though in fairness, most German surnames should be able to reach at least 8 or 10 without much difficulty in English speaking countries. Something we all come to see soon enough in our research!

There's one other thing that always comes to mind when I think of the Swiss. My mother traveled back to Europe (Germany, Switzerland and briefly in France) at the conclusion of WWII to lend a hand with the calamity that the end of the war had brought. I could tell you lots of funny (and terribly tragic) stories she passed on to me as a consequence over the years, but one rather amusing one was how awestruck she was at the tidiness of the Swiss people overall. Everywhere she went, big city or small, with both the shopkeepers and townsfolk alike, the Swiss were busy sweeping their porches, tidying their gardens, and dusting off their shop window displays.

She used to say you could look high or low - even in the bigger cities - and not spot a piece of trash or unaccounted-for debris anywhere. Everything looked to be framed neatly and kept in picture perfect order, in both the old and new quarters. Naturally having been able to maintain its neutrality in the war, Switzerland was largely untouched by the ensuing maelstrom. The counterpoint she witnessed up close and personal in Germany at that time was beyond description, and used to bring tears to her eyes even decades later. The devastation she was prepared to see, the thoroughness of it she was not. Much of the citizenry - the common folk, the ex-soldiers and refugees alike - were in a perpetual daze. The expressions of sadness, horror and desperation she saw in their faces were seared forever in her mind.

High notes and low notes, all rolled into one. Jb

  ----- Original Message -----

  From: J b
  To: Hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
  Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [HN] Nicknames

  JRod <JRodenburg(a)aol.com> wrote:

  >I recommend at least reviewing the lowlands list and website to get a
>flavor for a whole new linguistic world out there that we tend to ignore.

Smart tip. Of all the variants I've heard, Schwitzerdütsch (Swiss German) is
  still the wildest. It sounds so clickety clackety! An old school chum of
mine used to call it "non-stop guttural" and "tongue-flapping noise". But of course there's a charm to it all its own once you listen to it a bit (and
  stop shaking your head in disbelief, as your eyes roll round and round).

  Not that -WE- should be poking any fun here. Most Americans sound like
  little honey bees with our pronounced nasal passage inflection. A Dane I
knew long ago used to kid me he could spot a Yank a mile away simply because
  of the "buzzing" sounds he heard. %*)%*($#  exaggerator! Bless his tiny
  soul, I refused to drink Carlsberg after that. <jk>

Americans in particular tend to struggle with the rolling German "r" sound since our version is so drawn out and emphasized (and roll free). In proper Deutsch, the tip of the tongue needs to head upward towards the roof of the
  mouth as air goes past. It helps to try to imitate the sound of a cat
  purring, while simultaneously attempting the "r" sound (use "drei" for
  practice). But to do it right, it still needs to be crisp and quick.

They say the our Brit friends struggle more with the deeper vowel sounds in German, especially with the "u" which runs quite deep [like "Zug" (train)
  which they instinctively pronounce more as "zooog" (= goose) instead of
  "tsug" with a low and short "u"].

Ah well, may we all trip and stumble towards rhyme and reason and eventual
  bliss.

  Bis spöter. Chäschüechli!

  [oder für dich John: Wämmer eis go ziie? he he heeeeee] :)

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Re: [HN] immigration found this 'nice to know' , and airlines searching?

Date: 2007/02/09 03:29:36
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Jo <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Now an added subject AIRLINES are also included, if there were any in 1869. But it suggests data to 1950's.

hmmm if there were, the Wright brothers were frauds. lol

You're making good headway on the immigration and passenger lists Jo. Soon you'll be advising the rest of us on it. Congrats. ;)

Reminder to all to keep good progress (activity) notes, even when you hit no pay dirt in your searches. Helps avoid going over the same ground twice (or more). If we all could learn this one lesson, our work would be reduced in half.

Tschüss. Jb

From: "jo meyer" <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] immigration found this 'nice to know' ,and airlines searching?
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:21:52 +0000

  You probably have to have ancestry.com subscription.

  I found it accidently the way best things are found.
    [1] http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7488&path=1869
  It is all the ship lists for 1869. You can work with the arrival date.
  Search here and then go back to the Hamburg list from germany and see
  if all the same. Maybe two to three weeks back.

  While going through passenger lists I happen to see a Luhmann from
  Eichdorf traveling to amerika. I left it and hurried on. Later, I
  looked one up at castle garden. Yes may 5,1869. Then I found   I did
find this Luhmann on hamburg lists leaving april 16, 1869 with his wife and daughter. Finding this information of above short cut is wonderful.
  Very nice to know. Not sure if it is the same as posted before.

  Now have to go back and find him on german list to make sure there
  were not two different sets.  Something is nagging at me that I
  thought the mans name was Christian or Ernest and this Luhmann is
  listed as Heinrich only. I know I wrote down the page number of the
  first Luhmann I  saw  SOMEWHERE.

  Now  an added subject  AIRLINES are also included, if there were any
  in 1869. But it suggests data to 1950's.

  It could be helpful.

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[HN] Search for Hattorff in Haste/Kreis Schaumburg

Date: 2007/02/09 06:38:00
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Dear Listies
 
I have some good news and some bad news with my researches. Looking  
sometimes in the Ortsfamilienbericht Bremen Vegesack:
 
_http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de/famreport.php?ofb=vegesack&ID=65756&nachnam
e=HATTORFF&modus=&lang=de_ 
(http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de/famreport.php?ofb=vegesack&ID=65756&nachname=HATTORFF&modus=&lang=de) 
 
i found some new Hattorff i never knew before, what shows me that the tree  
is indeed incomplete. One of those persons a certain Heinrich Wilhelm Ernst  
Hattorff is born "around" 1820 in Haste/Kreis Schaumburg. I was searching Haste  
with Google, looking on the map i see its not soooo far away from Hannover 
some  closer towns are for example Barsinghausen. 
 
Here i see the name of his father too, but not his mother and of course not  
the name of the father. So it looks like i have to search in the churchbooks 
of  Haste, the question is are the microfiches in Hannover or Hildesheim? 
Perhaps  does anyone of my german listies now anything about this.
 
Or perhaps do some of our listies outside of Germany have anything in the  
LDS files. I have been following the discussion about datas we cant see in  
Germany but people looking in  LDS files in the USA can see very  well.
 
Any idea? Of course i can call a genealogist but this will last even month. 
 
Anyway the datas in the Ortsfamilienbücher site is updated since January  and 
perhaps some of you can check the list of family names too, may be you  have 
the same luck as me finding 6 new persons in the list if your ancestors  
coming from around Bremen or Lower Saxony.
 
Have a fine day
 
Armin

Re: [HN] Search for Hattorff in Haste/Kreis Schaumburg

Date: 2007/02/09 09:50:28
From: rudolf fleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Good morning Armin,
I have some interesting pictures for you from the sealbook Luebeck. What is your private email ?
Regards Rudolf
----- Original Message ----- From: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:37 AM
Subject: [HN] Search for Hattorff in Haste/Kreis Schaumburg


Dear Listies

I have some good news and some bad news with my researches. Looking
sometimes in the Ortsfamilienbericht Bremen Vegesack:

_http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de/famreport.php?ofb=vegesack&ID=65756&nachnam
e=HATTORFF&modus=&lang=de_
(http://www.ortsfamilienbuecher.de/famreport.php?ofb=vegesack&ID=65756&nachname=HATTORFF&modus=&lang=de)

i found some new Hattorff i never knew before, what shows me that the tree
is indeed incomplete. One of those persons a certain Heinrich Wilhelm Ernst
Hattorff is born "around" 1820 in Haste/Kreis Schaumburg. I was searching Haste
with Google, looking on the map i see its not soooo far away from Hannover
some  closer towns are for example Barsinghausen.

Here i see the name of his father too, but not his mother and of course not
the name of the father. So it looks like i have to search in the churchbooks
of  Haste, the question is are the microfiches in Hannover or Hildesheim?
Perhaps  does anyone of my german listies now anything about this.

Or perhaps do some of our listies outside of Germany have anything in the
LDS files. I have been following the discussion about datas we cant see in
Germany but people looking in  LDS files in the USA can see very  well.

Any idea? Of course i can call a genealogist but this will last even month.

Anyway the datas in the Ortsfamilienbücher site is updated since January and
perhaps some of you can check the list of family names too, may be you  have
the same luck as me finding 6 new persons in the list if your ancestors
coming from around Bremen or Lower Saxony.

Have a fine day

Armin
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Re: [HN] Alke

Date: 2007/02/09 14:10:40
From: Herbert.Kunkel <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>

Hi.

The register of souls of STOLLHAMM 1675, published by the
Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft fürFamilienkunde has mentionned ALKE to be the 5st most liked name for girls at that time. Alke was a frisian name, Adelheit the german equivalent.

GENWIKI gives the following abreviations or nicknames at different countries. Please select yours.

Aaltje, Ada, Adel(a), Adele, Ältgen, Aile, Ailke, Ale(ide), Aleke, Alida, Alke, Auleid(e), Ayl
Deel, Dela, Dele
Ehl, Eila, Eile, Eil(i)chin, Eilika, Ela, Elch(gen), Ele(yde), Elgin, Elheid, Elke, Elle, Eltje, Eylheit
Halheyde, Heide, Heilecke, Hel, Helchin, Heleche, Helecke
Lidda, Liddy
Oletgen
Tal(e)ke


Saludos
Herbert

----- Original Message ----- From: "michael" <mdearing(a)mhtc.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Samstag, 6. Januar 2007 17:49
Subject: Re: [HN] Alke


It may be so but I never saw Alke used in Amerika for one case of
Adelheid, and I have generations of Adelheids in my tree. Typically
the familiar in America was Addie or the longer Adaline. I know this
because, in order to find my Adelheids, I looked through hundreds of
Adelheid variants, diminutives, and familiars on Ancestry.com. One
variant, by the way, of Adelheid, was Adelphelide. I am still
wondering why and how Adelheid became the even more difficult
Adelphelide on the tongue of an American record taker (it is spelled
so in the original record).

Elke was and is used quite often in Amerika in the Scandinavian
families.
- Michael

On Jan 5, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Paul Scheele wrote:

Alke (Ahlke) was often a familiar name for Adelheid (Ahlheid).

Paul Scheele

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From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Edith M Burk
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:49 PM
To: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Translation

Hello list

Would someone please tell me the English version of the German
name Alke?

Thank you,
Edith Burk, Texas



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[HN] Lorenz/Bleiert

Date: 2007/02/09 15:03:58
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Geburtsdaten und Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Friedrich LORENZ * um 1729 angeblich in Alfeld, +6-3-1796 vermutlich in Gross-Lengden & 8-11-1763 in Gross-Lengden mit Anna Margaretha BLEIERT * 2-4-1735 in Gross-Lengden, # 2-11-1790 in Gross-Lengden
Kind :Anna Marg. Dorothee LORENZ * 13-3-1769nin Gross-Lengden

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn





Re: [HN] Unsubscribe me, please.

Date: 2007/02/09 15:33:09
From: Gustavo Possel <gpossel(a)pelambres.cl>

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Thank you,
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[HN] Suche in Dassel / Ldkrs.Northeim

Date: 2007/02/09 18:35:45
From: Klaus Leven <ahnen(a)kleven.de>

Hallo Listenmitleser,

meine Großmutter, Auguste SCHMIDT heiratet am 6.03.1900 August RICHTER in
Dassel.

Die Eltern vun Auguste SCHMIDT sind Heinrich SCHMIDT und Eveline BRODTHANEN
aus Dassel.

In der Heiratsurkunde sind nur die Namen der Eltern angegeben.

Von Heinrich SCHMIDT habe ich noch das Sterbedatum, 16.04.1919 in Hannover.

Was kann ich machen und wo muß ich suchen,um Daten der Eltern zu bekommen.

Danke für jeden Hinweis und Grüße aus dem verschneiten Hamburg

Klaus (Leven) 


Re: [HN] Redecker in Harpstedt

Date: 2007/02/09 19:06:06
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Peter,
     This is the address of the church in Harpstedt:

   http://www.kirche-harpstedt.de/ Click on  ³Genealogy² and you will find
what they can do for you.
It¹s a nice website.

Barbara




 With help of the Liste I found that Heinrich Ludwig REDECKER (REDECKE,
REDEKE) 
> , whose marriage (1838) was found in Diepholz, was born in Harpstedt ca. 1812.
> Can anyone help me find data on his baptism or birth, and his parents,
> possibly other forefathers. According to my internet search these data should
> be present in the Archives of Hannover. Peter Mouton
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[HN] Siebum

Date: 2007/02/09 22:22:59
From: Nancy Thoben <honeynan(a)earthlink.net>

I am seeking information on the family of Hermann Siebum b 1858 and spouse Margarethe Meyers.   Hope you can help.  Thanks,  nancy thoben

Re: [HN] Suche in Dassel / Ldkrs.Northeim

Date: 2007/02/10 00:13:42
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Klaus,
ich denke, du schreibst einfach mal das Standesamt Hannover an , und bittest um die Todesurkunde deines Großvaters H.Schmidt , mit Angabe des Todesdatum. 
Daraus könnten sich Angaben  über genauen Wohnort , (Dann kann man die betreffende Kirche auch noch mal anschreiben ) , ergeben, sowie Erkenntnisse über die Ehefrau ! (Er war verwitwet,  oder, er hinterließ.....! 
Liebe Grüße sendet dir Petra
----- original Nachricht --------

Betreff: [HN] Suche in Dassel / Ldkrs.Northeim
Gesendet: Fr 09 Feb 2007 18:36:00 CET
Von: "Klaus Leven"<ahnen(a)kleven.de>

> Hallo Listenmitleser,
> 
> meine Großmutter, Auguste SCHMIDT heiratet am 6.03.1900 August RICHTER in
> Dassel.
> 
> Die Eltern vun Auguste SCHMIDT sind Heinrich SCHMIDT und Eveline BRODTHANEN
> aus Dassel.
> 
> In der Heiratsurkunde sind nur die Namen der Eltern angegeben.
> 
> Von Heinrich SCHMIDT habe ich noch das Sterbedatum, 16.04.1919 in Hannover.
> 
> Was kann ich machen und wo muß ich suchen,um Daten der Eltern zu bekommen.
> 
> Danke für jeden Hinweis und Grüße aus dem verschneiten Hamburg
> 
> Klaus (Leven) 
> 
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[HN] Hilfe, bitte.

Date: 2007/02/10 06:40:44
From: kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net <kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net>

Wo ist Lotferde, Amt Groheda, Hannover?  Meine Vorfahtren hiessen 
Sinram.  Gibt es eine lutherische Kirche in der Nähe, in deren 
Kirchenbüchern ich nachsehen könnte?  Grüß, Danke und Mahalo aus 
Hawaii.  Dolly

[HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York

Date: 2007/02/10 09:40:26
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Dear Listies
 
We have been talking about the search in the 1880 Census (and in all census  
years). I never found George E. Hattorf (who's father was coming from Lower  
Saxony) in the 1880 Census someone sayd he may be not in New York this year. So 
 i am searching like an IDIOT to find this family for 3 years
 
Well .....Yesterday i found something new at ancestry.com:
 
_List of  registered voters in the city of New York, for the year 1880_ 
(http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=19518&enc=1) 
 
And who is in the list: Fourtheenth assembly district,  8 election district, 
362 enumeration.
 
3RD Avenue House Number 115 George E. Hattorf and in  another apartement 
Elisha van Brunt. 
 
I know Hattorf is not to find so i was looking for all  people living around 
(my wifes idea) and finally i found Greater New York  Manhatten.
 
And i found all people in the list  ......................... NO George E. 
Hattorf !!!!
Looks like another family is living in his apartement.  And now i cant find 
him in the index. Is he one of those forgotten people, so  will i ever see him 
and his wife and the name of his children ???? This is not  fair really not 
fair i am so sad now.
 
The only chance seems to be to find him in the 1885 New  York Census, but 
this one is of course not only so i will need a researcher in  New York.
 
Anyway have a fine weekend
 
Sniff Armin
 





Re: [HN] Hilfe, bitte.

Date: 2007/02/10 10:39:14
From: Küster Ulrich <Ulrich.Kuester(a)t-online.de>

Hi Dolly,

the right spelling for the places is Larferde and Grohnde. Both are about 15 km southeast of the town Hameln and about 60 km southwest of Hannover.

Viele Grüße
Ulrich (Küster)

Am 10.02.2007 um 06:40 schrieb kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net:

Wo ist Lotferde, Amt Groheda, Hannover?  Meine Vorfahtren hiessen
Sinram.  Gibt es eine lutherische Kirche in der Nähe, in deren
Kirchenbüchern ich nachsehen könnte?  Grüß, Danke und Mahalo aus
Hawaii.  Dolly
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York

Date: 2007/02/10 11:35:45
From: Phyllis Dearborn <pdear(a)merr.com>

Armin, I understand your frustration. If you look at this site, you will see that there was no 1885 NY State census taken. Phyllis


http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/nyscens.htm

----- Original Message ----- From: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:40 AM
Subject: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York


Dear Listies

We have been talking about the search in the 1880 Census (and in all census
years). I never found George E. Hattorf (who's father was coming from Lower
Saxony) in the 1880 Census someone sayd he may be not in New York this year. So
i am searching like an IDIOT to find this family for 3 years

Well .....Yesterday i found something new at ancestry.com:

_List of  registered voters in the city of New York, for the year 1880_
(http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=19518&enc=1)

And who is in the list: Fourtheenth assembly district,  8 election district,
362 enumeration.

3RD Avenue House Number 115 George E. Hattorf and in  another apartement
Elisha van Brunt.

I know Hattorf is not to find so i was looking for all  people living around
(my wifes idea) and finally i found Greater New York  Manhatten.

And i found all people in the list  ......................... NO George E.
Hattorf !!!!
Looks like another family is living in his apartement.  And now i cant find
him in the index. Is he one of those forgotten people, so will i ever see him
and his wife and the name of his children ???? This is not  fair really not
fair i am so sad now.

The only chance seems to be to find him in the 1885 New  York Census, but
this one is of course not only so i will need a researcher in  New York.

Anyway have a fine weekend

Sniff Armin





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[HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York

Date: 2007/02/10 13:10:36
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Armin,

Many of us searched the 1880 census for you and I'm sure we all used different methods and wildcards to find your ancestor. In the UK we have to register every year to be on the voters list. If this is true for the USA then we know he was in NY 1879 at least. Have you considered he may have returned to Europe for a holiday to see relatives when the census count was taken? Have you looked on any European census - this is a long shot because census counts are taken on different months/years in different countries, e.g. the next British census was taken 3rd April 1881 and possibly the German census count was 31 December 1880. Maybe you could research the N.York Voters List for 1881 (if there is one) to see if he returned to NY?

Good Luck,
Rena

Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:40:05 EST
From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com
Dear Listies

We have been talking about the search in the 1880 Census (and in all census
years). I never found George E. Hattorf (who's father was coming from Lower
Saxony) in the 1880 Census someone sayd he may be not in New York this year. So
i am searching like an IDIOT to find this family for 3 years

Well .....Yesterday i found something new at ancestry.com:

_List of  registered voters in the city of New York, for the year 1880_
(http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=19518&enc=1)

And who is in the list: Fourtheenth assembly district,  8 election district,
362 enumeration.

3RD Avenue House Number 115 George E. Hattorf and in  another apartement
Elisha van Brunt.

I know Hattorf is not to find so i was looking for all  people living around
(my wifes idea) and finally i found Greater New York  Manhatten.

And i found all people in the list  ......................... NO George E.
Hattorf !!!!
Looks like another family is living in his apartement.  And now i cant find
him in the index. Is he one of those forgotten people, so will i ever see him
and his wife and the name of his children ???? This is not  fair really not
fair i am so sad now.

The only chance seems to be to find him in the 1885 New  York Census, but
this one is of course not only so i will need a researcher in  New York.

Anyway have a fine weekend

Sniff Armin



Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York

Date: 2007/02/10 14:13:18
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 10.02.2007 11:36:39 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in New York


Hy Phyllis
 
Thank you for your mail. Thats really great so there is absolutely no  chance 
to see him in a census year. Well the question is, why is he NOT in the  1880 
census. Did he move after the census was taken to the adress, then there is  
theoretically a little chance to find him in another enumeration disctrict. 
But i have tried all and everything i was searching for George born around  
1845 and Jennie born around 1849 and i have been looking for two boys  George 
born 1877 and August born 1879 the 3rd child Frederick is born 1882 all 3  in 
NY !
 
That is what i found in the 1900 census a certain George Hattorf born  around 
1847 but i have no absolute proof that he is George E. and Hattorf well  this 
is a prob i have found in the 1900 census a Henry Hattorff but he is no in  4 
other censusyears they are Hittorfs. Thats why i need George ONE more time in 
 another census year.
Ok the names of the boys would be absolutely perfect cause the father of  
George was Frederick August who had a brother named George and a father named  
August, so the ring closes.
 
Ok looks the only chance is to turn around every page of the 1880 New York  
Census Manhattan.
 
Have a fine weekend
 
Armin

Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York

Date: 2007/02/10 15:11:08
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Armin,

The 1900 NY Federal Census with Hattorf Family..
George E.  born 1847 - Born New York- salesman
Jennie? born 1849 - Germany - housewife - gives 1870 to U.S. /30 years in U.S...
George??/Henry????? (hard to read)- watchmaker - born 1877
August - plate printer -born 1879
Fredrich - Porter - born 1882
Gives name of street as WestThrid Street, Manhattan Boro, New York City, New York

Figured 1880 census Hattorf name  corrupted....

Noted Siffert enumerated same district Hattorf.. so attemped to find them on 1880 census familysearch thinking your Hattorf nearby...well didn't find Hattorf but I think good page to start might be...


Census Place New York, New York (Manhattan), New York, City-Greater, New York
 Family History Library Film   1254876
 NA Film Number   T9-0876
 Page Number   41D
 Henry and Catherine Siffert, ages 28    (1880)

These are same individuals found on 1900 Census page of George Hattorf..

Here is   what is strange...

Tried to find Jennie..just searching by name of Jennie and birth year of 1849 at familysearch online 1880 census data...

Weird thing here...

Jennie Van Brunt?? Born 1849
Census Place New York, New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, New York
 Family History Library Film   1254894
 NA Film Number   T9-0894
Page Number   200A

But could not find the Van Brunt searching HQ 1880 census..
But.. thought odd.. here is that Van Brunt name again...??

Barbie-Lew



In einer eMail vom 10.02.2007 11:36:39 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in New York


Hy Phyllis

Thank you for your mail. Thats really great so there is absolutely no chance to see him in a census year. Well the question is, why is he NOT in the 1880
census. Did he move after the census was taken to the adress, then there is
theoretically a little chance to find him in another enumeration disctrict.
But i have tried all and everything i was searching for George born around
1845 and Jennie born around 1849 and i have been looking for two boys George born 1877 and August born 1879 the 3rd child Frederick is born 1882 all 3 in
NY !

That is what i found in the 1900 census a certain George Hattorf born around 1847 but i have no absolute proof that he is George E. and Hattorf well this is a prob i have found in the 1900 census a Henry Hattorff but he is no in 4 other censusyears they are Hittorfs. Thats why i need George ONE more time in
 another census year.
Ok the names of the boys would be absolutely perfect cause the father of
George was Frederick August who had a brother named George and a father named
August, so the ring closes.

Ok looks the only chance is to turn around every page of the 1880 New York
Census Manhattan.

Have a fine weekend

Armin
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York

Date: 2007/02/10 18:41:52
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello Again :)

I don't know if my previous message made any sense...lol.

What I meant was... when I have no luck finding someone on the census that should be there... my next step is search for nearby neighbor that was listed on the last census my people were listed and normally that helps me to find the family.

Does that make sense?

I couldn't find Henry Pieper on the 1910 census..but I could on the 1920 census ... so I then searched for nearby neighbors..and low and behold there was my Henry.. somehow he was skipped in search index..but was where he should have been.

Barbie-Lew

Dear Armin,

The 1900 NY Federal Census with Hattorf Family..
George E.  born 1847 - Born New York- salesman
Jennie? born 1849 - Germany - housewife - gives 1870 to U.S. /30 years in U.S...
George??/Henry????? (hard to read)- watchmaker - born 1877
August - plate printer -born 1879
Fredrich - Porter - born 1882
Gives name of street as WestThrid Street, Manhattan Boro, New York City, New York

Figured 1880 census Hattorf name  corrupted....

Noted Siffert enumerated same district Hattorf.. so attemped to find them on 1880 census familysearch thinking your Hattorf nearby...well didn't find Hattorf but I think good page to start might be...


Census Place New York, New York (Manhattan), New York, City-Greater, New York
 Family History Library Film   1254876
 NA Film Number   T9-0876
 Page Number   41D
 Henry and Catherine Siffert, ages 28    (1880)

These are same individuals found on 1900 Census page of George Hattorf..

Here is   what is strange...

Tried to find Jennie..just searching by name of Jennie and birth year of 1849 at familysearch online 1880 census data...

Weird thing here...

Jennie Van Brunt?? Born 1849
Census Place New York, New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, New York
 Family History Library Film   1254894
 NA Film Number   T9-0894
Page Number   200A

But could not find the Van Brunt searching HQ 1880 census..
But.. thought odd.. here is that Van Brunt name again...??

Barbie-Lew



In einer eMail vom 10.02.2007 11:36:39 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in New York


Hy Phyllis

Thank you for your mail. Thats really great so there is absolutely no chance to see him in a census year. Well the question is, why is he NOT in the 1880
census. Did he move after the census was taken to the adress, then there is
theoretically a little chance to find him in another enumeration disctrict.
But i have tried all and everything i was searching for George born around
1845 and Jennie born around 1849 and i have been looking for two boys George born 1877 and August born 1879 the 3rd child Frederick is born 1882 all 3 in
NY !

That is what i found in the 1900 census a certain George Hattorf born around 1847 but i have no absolute proof that he is George E. and Hattorf well this is a prob i have found in the 1900 census a Henry Hattorff but he is no in 4 other censusyears they are Hittorfs. Thats why i need George ONE more time in
 another census year.
Ok the names of the boys would be absolutely perfect cause the father of
George was Frederick August who had a brother named George and a father named
August, so the ring closes.

Ok looks the only chance is to turn around every page of the 1880 New York
Census Manhattan.

Have a fine weekend

Armin
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[HN] Schwicheld, wo liegt das?

Date: 2007/02/10 19:16:30
From: Almut Völker <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenleser,
ein Taufeintrag im Stadtkirchenbuch Celle vom 28.11.1792 gibt als Vater
Heinrich Conrad SCHAPER, Postknecht in Burgdorf, gebürtig aus Schwicheld an.
Bei GOV habe ich Schwicheld nicht gefunden. Ist das ein eigenes Kirchspiel,
oder eine Bauerschaft, bei Celle oder bei Burgdorf?
Hat jemand vielleicht sogar den Heinrich Conrad SCHAPER in in seiner
Sammlung?
Ein gutes Wochenende wünscht
Almut Völker, Osnabrück



Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York (Cactus Flower Barbie-Lew)

Date: 2007/02/10 19:22:52
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi Barbie
 
Yes thanks your message makes sense. I know very well what you mean. That  
was how i found all the other persons in the Voters list i have copied it out on 
 my computer and in the background and then i searched for Kaufhold, Hofner,  
Dolye Van Brunt and so on and i found them finally all, only one person is 
not  in the dam..... list.
 
And Siffert lol, at ancestry you find him in the 1900 census aus Dippert so  
you see even if the name is written proper and correct 200 years later a 
little  student putting in the index is changing the name into Dippert. And George 
E.??  Haffoff Hatdoff Ealloff Hoffoff will i ever find him? And only George? I 
have  tried it hundred times easily and Jennie and George junior and August 
nothing at  all. Same procedure in 1870 and 1860 but he was definitively there.
 
Same procedure with his 3 boys in 1910, 1920 and 1930 this is not normal. 
 
The only thing i can still do is 1880 Census New York, Greater New York and  
then turning around each and every page .... this is what i have beginning 
with  the 1900 census ...
 
Thank you 
Armin

Re: [HN] Schwicheld, wo liegt das?

Date: 2007/02/10 19:24:28
From: Nathalie Tschirner <nathalie.tschirner(a)htp-tel.de>


Hallo Almut,

es dürfte sich hier um Schwichelt im Landkreis Peine handeln.

Anschrift der dortigen Kirche (zugeordnet der Stadt Peine):
St.-Michaelis-Kirche, Pastor Krahn
Tel. 05171· 52822

Gruß

Nathalie




Almut Völker schrieb:
Liebe Listenleser,
ein Taufeintrag im Stadtkirchenbuch Celle vom 28.11.1792 gibt als Vater
Heinrich Conrad SCHAPER, Postknecht in Burgdorf, gebürtig aus Schwicheld an.
Bei GOV habe ich Schwicheld nicht gefunden. Ist das ein eigenes Kirchspiel,
oder eine Bauerschaft, bei Celle oder bei Burgdorf?
Hat jemand vielleicht sogar den Heinrich Conrad SCHAPER in in seiner
Sammlung?
Ein gutes Wochenende wünscht
Almut Völker, Osnabrück


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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York (Rena)

Date: 2007/02/10 20:09:54
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 10.02.2007 19:40:16 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in New York


Hi Rena
 
Thank you for your mail ! Hm difficult to believe for me that George E. was  
in Europe in 1880. His son August is born 1879 i would not leave my family if 
i  have a one year old son at home and a wife. And whom should he visit. HIS  
family, his grandfather in germany died greatgrandfather died 1838 his father 
is  in Virginia with a new family and his mother i think she was dying having 
a baby  around 1856 !
And he is not in 1860, 1870, 1880 always on a Europe trip. I think he is so  
hard misspelled that noone can find him or he was moving around in New York, 
so  he was just leaving as the enumerator came or ???
 
OK there is still one idea she is very strange i know .... If a German  wants 
to leave his country he goes to France or Italy or Spain ....
A US-Citizen? Perhaps Candada? Why not? Some of the Hattorf family have  been 
going to Canada. 
And his brother Frederick was living for a certain time in Vermont i think  
this is not so far to the canadian border or am i wrong?
 
Thank you so much for your help
Armin

Re: [HN] Siebum

Date: 2007/02/10 20:14:54
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Nancy,
     Here's what you are looking for.

X.396 Hermann Siebum (Herm?), Kolonist, born on 8-3-1858 in Burlage (Ger).
Rhauderfehn;, christened (RK) on 10-3-1858 in Langholt (Ger), died on
10-12-1945 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger), buried in Langholt (Ger), son of Jan
Bernd Sibum (Johann Bernard) (see also IX.207) and Gesina Wewer.
Church marriage (1) at the age of 26 on 8-5-1884 in Langholt (Ger) (RK) to
Margaretha Meyer, 18 years old, born on 26-8-1865 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger),
died on 30-10-1907 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger), buried on 2-11-1907 in Langholt
(Ger).
Church marriage (2) at the age of 52 on 19-5-1910 in Langholt (Ger) (RK) to
Gesine Fecker, 38 years old, born on 20-7-1871 in Ostrhauderfehn (Ger),
christened (RK) on 22-7-1871 in Langholt (Ger), died on 7-4-1957 in
Westrhauderfehn (Ger), buried on 11-4-1957 in Langholt (Ger).
>From the first marriage:
1.      Elisabeth (see also XI.916).
2.      Bernard, born on 16-11-1886 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger), christened
(RK) on 18-11-1886 in Langholt (Ger), died on 22-8-1904 in Westrhauderfehn
(Ger), buried on 25-8-1904 in Langholt (Ger).
3.      Gesine, born on 25-7-1889 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger), christened (RK)
on 28-7-1889 in Langholt (Ger), died on 20-11-1973 in Rhauderfehn (Ger),
buried on 23-11-1973 in Langholt (Ger).
Church marriage at the age of 29 on 22-11-1918 in Langholt (Ger) (RK) to
Joseph Teipen, 36 years old, born on 24-2-1882, died on 31-1-1953.
4.      Anna Maria, born 00-12-1891 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger), christened
(RK) on 31-12-1891 in Langholt (Ger).
Rhauderfehn;, died on 4-8-1970 in Brilon (Ger), buried on 10-8-1970 in
Langholt (Ger).
Church marriage on 29-10-1918 in Langholt (Ger) (RK) to Anton Bekebrock, 27
years old, born on 30-8-1891, died on 7-5-1948.
5.      Josef Hermann, born on 3-1-1894 in Klosterfehn (Ger), christened
(RK) on 4-1-1894 in Langholt (Ger), died on 11-8-1988 in Klostermoor (Ger),
buried on 16-8-1898 in Langholt (Ger).
Church marriage at the age of 25 on 6-5-1919 in Langholt (Ger) (RK) to
Wobina Westermann, 25 years old, born on 24-5-1893, died on 15-10-1958,
buried in Langholt (Ger).
6.      Anna Margaretha, born on 24-4-1896 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger),
christened (RK) on 26-4-1896 in Langholt (Ger), died 00-02-1979 in New Paltz
(USA).
Church marriage at the age of 24 on 14-4-1921 in Langholt (Ger) (RK) to
Henry Toben, 21 years old, born on 18-1-1900, died on 30-3-1994 in New Paltz
(USA), 
volgens Lukas: na huwelijk geëmigreerd naar Amerika;.
7.      Herman (Sibum) (see also XI.926).
8.      Anna, born on 29-5-1902 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger), christened (RK) on
1-6-1902 in Langholt (Ger), died on 17-3-1908 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger),
buried on 20-3-1908 in Langholt (Ger).
9.      Bernhardine, born on 19-1-1906 in Westrhauderfehn (Ger), christened
(RK) on 22-1-1906 in Langholt (Ger), died on 20-6-1986 in Leer (Ger), buried
on 24-6-1986 in Langholt (Ger).
Church marriage at the age of 30 on 25-6-1936 in Langholt (Ger) (RK) to
Conrad Abels, 25 years old, born on 23-3-1911, died on 13-6-1969, buried in
Langholt (Ger).

There's more if you need it. You'll be able to trace that family for
decades. It's all online:  http://www.xs4all.nl/~jbsijbom/

Barbara



 I am seeking information on the family of Hermann Siebum b 1858 and spouse
> Margarethe Meyers.   Hope you can help.  Thanks,  nancy thoben
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[HN] SPIEKERsches Regiment um 1750

Date: 2007/02/10 20:51:06
From: Almut Völker <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenleser,
 gibt es um 1750 ein Spiekersches Regiment im Raum Hameln. Ich habe unter
diesem Namen nichts gefunden, aber einen Ahnen, der dort Corporal gewesen
sein soll.
freundliche Grüße
Almut Völker



Re: [HN] Hilfe, bitte.

Date: 2007/02/10 21:04:20
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net" <kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net> schrieb:
> Wo ist Lotferde, Amt Groheda, Hannover?  Meine Vorfahtren hiessen 
> Sinram.  Gibt es eine lutherische Kirche in der Nähe, in deren 
> Kirchenbüchern ich nachsehen könnte?  Grüß, Danke und Mahalo aus 
> Hawaii.  Dolly
> ______________________________________________

Hallo Dolly,

es handelt sich um Latferde (nicht Lotferde oder Larferde) im ehemaligen Amt Grohnde. Die Kirche gehörte nach Niederbörry, heute Börry. Die Kirchenbücher liegen wohl als Microfiches im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover:   www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/
Latferde, Börry und Grohnde zählen heute zu den 17 Ortsteilen der Gemeinde Emmerthal.

Viele Grüße nach dem entfernten Hawaii,
Wilfried (Petersen)



[HN] Latferde, Grohnde, Börry - Ortsfamilien buch von Börry erscheint im März/April

Date: 2007/02/10 21:33:17
From: AlexaRoettger <alexaroettger(a)web.de>

Hallo Dolly,

ich lese gerade, dass Latferde zu Börry gehören. Im Frühjahr soll das
Ortsfamilienbuch erscheinen, vielleicht ist auch Latferde dabei?

Edition Familienkunde Niedersachsen Nr. 6

Hans Berner †, Walter Fredebold, Jürgen Ritter †

Die Meierhöfe, Kötner- und Beibauernstellen in Bessinghausen und Börry,

Amt Grohnde, Kreis Hameln Pyrmont

Geschichte der Dörfer, Auszüge aus alten Urkunden, Besitzerfolgen und
Vorfahrenlisten, Personen-, Orts- und Berufsregister

ca. 700 Seiten, € 35,- plus Versandkosten

ISBN 987-3-936557-12-1

Schriftliche Bestellung (möglichst bald wegen Planung der Auflagenhöhe) an :

Niedersächsischer Verein für Familienkunde e.V.

Am Bokemahle 14 - 16

30171 Hannover

Auslieferung März/April 2007

Viel Glück bei der Suche
Alexandra Röttger




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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Wilfried
Petersen
Gesendet: Samstag, 10. Februar 2007 21:04
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Hilfe, bitte.


"kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net" <kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net> schrieb:
> Wo ist Lotferde, Amt Groheda, Hannover?  Meine Vorfahtren hiessen
> Sinram.  Gibt es eine lutherische Kirche in der Nähe, in deren
> Kirchenbüchern ich nachsehen könnte?  Grüß, Danke und Mahalo aus
> Hawaii.  Dolly
> ______________________________________________

Hallo Dolly,

es handelt sich um Latferde (nicht Lotferde oder Larferde) im ehemaligen Amt
Grohnde. Die Kirche gehörte nach Niederbörry, heute Börry. Die Kirchenbücher
liegen wohl als Microfiches im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover:
www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/
Latferde, Börry und Grohnde zählen heute zu den 17 Ortsteilen der Gemeinde
Emmerthal.

Viele Grüße nach dem entfernten Hawaii,
Wilfried (Petersen)


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[HN] LAUW Förster zu Ringeloh um 1880/90

Date: 2007/02/10 21:35:28
From: Almut Völker <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listenleser,
ich suche den Taufeintrag von LAUW, Ernst Wilhelm Otto, königlicher Förster
zu Ringeloh/ Gifhorn.
Er heiratet  am 20.1.1888 in Celle Elisabeth Henriette Caroline Ida LA ROSE,
geb. 13.06.1865 in Celle.
Ernst LAUW wurde nicht in Celle geboren, eventuell in Gifhorn ??
Wer kann helfen?
Grüße aus Osnabrück
Almut Völker



[HN] LÜLWES aus Celle um 1812

Date: 2007/02/10 21:35:34
From: Almut Völker <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listenleser,
ich suche den Geburts- bzw. Taufeintrag von Theodor Friedrich Leopold
LÜLWES, Kaufmann in Celle; er heiratet 1837 in Celle und stirbt dort auch
1892.
Das errechnete Geburtsdatum  1812 ist in Celle nicht zu finden. Um 1800 gibt
es überhaupt keine LÜLWES in Celle.
Von wo sind sie zugezogen??
Grüße aus Osnabrück
Almut Völker



Re: [HN] Schwicheld, wo liegt das?

Date: 2007/02/10 21:40:07
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Almut Völker" <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Liebe Listenleser,
> ein Taufeintrag im Stadtkirchenbuch Celle vom 28.11.1792 gibt als Vater
> Heinrich Conrad SCHAPER, Postknecht in Burgdorf, gebürtig aus Schwicheld an.
> Bei GOV habe ich Schwicheld nicht gefunden. Ist das ein eigenes Kirchspiel,
> oder eine Bauerschaft, bei Celle oder bei Burgdorf?

Hallo Almut,

hier handelt es sicher um Schwicheldt, ca. 17 km südöstl. von Burgdorf, das seit 1974 ein Stadtteil von Peine ist. Die Kirchenbücher von Schwicheldt (seit 1681) liegen als Microfiches im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover   www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Freundliche Grüße,
Wilfried (Petersen)


Re: [HN] Hilfe, bitte.

Date: 2007/02/10 22:08:07
From: Ursula Schlotz <Ursula.Schlotz(a)web.de>

Hallo Dolly,

auch ich habe in Südniedersachsen SINRAM-Vorfahren - bislang aber nicht in Latferde. Hast Du Vornamen und Geburts- oder Heiratsdaten? Vielleicht kommen wird ja zusammen.

Viele Grüße

Ursula


Wilfried Petersen schrieb:
"kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net" <kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net> schrieb:
Wo ist Lotferde, Amt Groheda, Hannover? Meine Vorfahtren hiessen Sinram. Gibt es eine lutherische Kirche in der Nähe, in deren Kirchenbüchern ich nachsehen könnte? Grüß, Danke und Mahalo aus Hawaii. Dolly
______________________________________________

Hallo Dolly,

es handelt sich um Latferde (nicht Lotferde oder Larferde) im ehemaligen Amt Grohnde. Die Kirche gehörte nach Niederbörry, heute Börry. Die Kirchenbücher liegen wohl als Microfiches im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover:   www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/
Latferde, Börry und Grohnde zählen heute zu den 17 Ortsteilen der Gemeinde Emmerthal.

Viele Grüße nach dem entfernten Hawaii,
Wilfried (Petersen)


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Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 39, Eintrag 24

Date: 2007/02/10 23:31:20
From: kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net <kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net>

Mahalo wieder.  Das hat mir sehr geholfen!

Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York (Rena)

Date: 2007/02/11 00:44:03
From: Phyllis Dearborn <pdear(a)merr.com>

Hi again Armin;

Maybe you have already done this, but if not, I would advise ordering the Civil War pension file for George E Hattorf. I know it costs money, but it very well may help you solve your problem of why you can't find them in some census.

Since the index card on Ancestry indicates he was in 13 NY Militia H(Heavy) Artillery, and he filed in New York in 1906, and there is no indication on the card of a widow filing, I would guess that his wife had died before that, or.... If you have not ordered one before, email me privately and will try to help. This can be done ONLINE and costs $37.00. He would have had to give much information about his life to apply for the pension; you may very well find out something interesting!

It is simple to do; I found it very enlightening for members of my family both Civil and Mexican War. Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York (Rena)



In einer eMail vom 10.02.2007 19:40:16 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in New York


Hi Rena

Thank you for your mail ! Hm difficult to believe for me that George E. was
in Europe in 1880. His son August is born 1879 i would not leave my family if
i  have a one year old son at home and a wife. And whom should he visit. HIS
family, his grandfather in germany died greatgrandfather died 1838 his father is in Virginia with a new family and his mother i think she was dying having
a baby  around 1856 !
And he is not in 1860, 1870, 1880 always on a Europe trip. I think he is so
hard misspelled that noone can find him or he was moving around in New York,
so  he was just leaving as the enumerator came or ???

OK there is still one idea she is very strange i know .... If a German wants
to leave his country he goes to France or Italy or Spain ....
A US-Citizen? Perhaps Candada? Why not? Some of the Hattorf family have been
going to Canada.
And his brother Frederick was living for a certain time in Vermont i think
this is not so far to the canadian border or am i wrong?

Thank you so much for your help
Armin
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York (Rena)

Date: 2007/02/11 01:30:18
From: Phyllis Dearborn <pdear(a)merr.com>

Hi again Armin;

Other things you might try if not already done so are:

1)Contact the Cypress Hills Cemetery re: what they have on file about George E Hattorf- most likely you will find out if this is the same one who died in Florida. Their phone no is on their website.

2) Go to Random Acts of Kindness to see if there is a volunteer in Orange County Florida listed. If there is, give them the details listed in Florida death index on Ancestry for George E Hattorf. See then if it is the same one as buried in NY.The death record(if it the same person as you are looking for) can give you info re: wife, children.

Hope it helps--I know how it feels to be unable to get over a brick wall. After more than 10 years, still unable to find the town in the Kingdom of Hannover that Heinrich Heiser, my gr gr grandfather came from.

Phyllis
----- Original Message ----- From: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York (Rena)



In einer eMail vom 10.02.2007 19:40:16 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in New York


Hi Rena

Thank you for your mail ! Hm difficult to believe for me that George E. was
in Europe in 1880. His son August is born 1879 i would not leave my family if
i  have a one year old son at home and a wife. And whom should he visit. HIS
family, his grandfather in germany died greatgrandfather died 1838 his father is in Virginia with a new family and his mother i think she was dying having
a baby  around 1856 !
And he is not in 1860, 1870, 1880 always on a Europe trip. I think he is so
hard misspelled that noone can find him or he was moving around in New York,
so  he was just leaving as the enumerator came or ???

OK there is still one idea she is very strange i know .... If a German wants
to leave his country he goes to France or Italy or Spain ....
A US-Citizen? Perhaps Candada? Why not? Some of the Hattorf family have been
going to Canada.
And his brother Frederick was living for a certain time in Vermont i think
this is not so far to the canadian border or am i wrong?

Thank you so much for your help
Armin
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York (Rena)

Date: 2007/02/11 01:39:49
From: Phyllis Dearborn <pdear(a)merr.com>

Armin, one more thought--

Did George E have a brother Frederick who served in the same regiment? they are both listed at "Soldiers and Sailors in the Civil War" website as serving in Co F of 13th NY Regiment of Heavy Artillery. If so, this site also says this unit was actually formed and mustered out in Virginia after serving for 3 months in 1862. Any chance George may have followed his father to Virginia for any period of time and then came back to New York?


----- Original Message ----- From: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York (Rena)



In einer eMail vom 10.02.2007 19:40:16 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in New York


Hi Rena

Thank you for your mail ! Hm difficult to believe for me that George E. was
in Europe in 1880. His son August is born 1879 i would not leave my family if
i  have a one year old son at home and a wife. And whom should he visit. HIS
family, his grandfather in germany died greatgrandfather died 1838 his father is in Virginia with a new family and his mother i think she was dying having
a baby  around 1856 !
And he is not in 1860, 1870, 1880 always on a Europe trip. I think he is so
hard misspelled that noone can find him or he was moving around in New York,
so  he was just leaving as the enumerator came or ???

OK there is still one idea she is very strange i know .... If a German wants
to leave his country he goes to France or Italy or Spain ....
A US-Citizen? Perhaps Candada? Why not? Some of the Hattorf family have been
going to Canada.
And his brother Frederick was living for a certain time in Vermont i think
this is not so far to the canadian border or am i wrong?

Thank you so much for your help
Armin
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in New York

Date: 2007/02/11 02:36:18
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Armin stop that sniffling and wipe those tears from your eyes! You're beginning to remind me of someone else I know - me! :(

Armin writes:
i found some new Hattorff i never knew before, what shows me that the tree is indeed incomplete.

Have you not learned yet that the acorns rarely fall far from the tree? Those little "nuts" rolling around eventually sprout arms and legs and soon become human.

And who is in the list: Fourtheenth assembly district, 8 election district, 362 enumeration. 3RD Avenue House Number 115 George E. Hattorf and in another apartement Elisha van Brunt.

Well at least you found him in one source! Does the age line up suitably? If so you are making SOME progress at least. You probably should attempt to access the CITY DIRECTORIES for NYC [Manhattan] for that period. They may spell out more (sometimes a lot more).

Looks like another family is living in his apartement. And now i cant find him in the index. Is he one of those forgotten people, so will i ever see him and his wife and the name of his children ???? This is not fair really not fair i am so sad now.

Forget the fairness factor. Nothing else in life is, so why should this be an exception?!

The only chance seems to be to find him in the 1885 New York Census, but this one is of course not only so i will need a researcher in New York.

As Phyllis pointed out with that handy referral page, there is no NY state census to fill the void unfortunately. State censuses are often difficult to go through anyway, as few have been indexed so far (whether it be for NY or elsewhere). Big cities therefore present LARGE searches. Your next best options : additional voter registers and the NYC city directories.

Rena writes:
In the UK we have to register every year to be on the voters list. If this is true for the USA then we know he was in NY 1879 at least.

The key thing here is not the stated YEAR of the voter registration, but the actual date in which the voter applicant registered for it. This could be as early as a year or two before, or even longer if "carry-overs" were allowed (I have seen such things lots of times, in addition to spurious [improper] registrations later disqualified).

Armin:
And he is not in 1860, 1870, 1880 always on a Europe trip. I think he is so hard misspelled that noone can find him or he was moving around in New York, so he was just leaving as the enumerator came or ???

So many possibilities indeed. To name a few of the most obvious: he was out of town at the time of the enumeration (on a business trip, or visiting friends or relatives); he moved out of the area recently (perhaps only temporarily); he was simply missed by the census taker (either due to sloppy procedures, or the house/farm was remote enough that it was overlooked - sometimes purposely by "fast freddy" enumerators); he (the occupant(s)) was avoiding the census taker BY DESIGN (for reasons now unknown); he was enumerated but is now "missing" because of a misspelling in the index. The possibilities go on from there, but in the end we really have to consider ourselves LUCKY that so many do show up as they are 'supposed to', both in the original pages and the later compiled indexes, as there are so many ways they might not make them.

A US-Citizen? Perhaps Candada? Why not? Some of the Hattorf family have been going to Canada.

Not a common occurrence, but these things did occur sometimes. Some folks did relocate to Canada from the US in the 19th century (I've seen it before), but much more commonly to other US cities or states. Remember, people looking for new opportunities could move great distances only to return to their earlier/original towns or cities years later.

As for heading back to Germany, another possibility, but it goes without saying that most who did this were those who could afford to. That means maybe 5-7% of the immigrant population at best back then (not much different for the American populace in general either), and of that percentage not many would have, as most would have needed more compelling reasons since "vacations across the seas" were not regular occurrences in those days. Some exceptions did occur with those of lesser means, and some of the better off did take such excursions, only it was by no means commonplace prior to the 20th century for most.

Well the question is, why is he NOT in the 1880 census [?].

Answered up above. The next best thing to look for when one runs into these deficits, that is after trying all census search avenues, is alternative records to fill the gaps. Would be so much handier if you were in NYC naturally. ;) Or act on a few of Phyllis's "end-around" suggestions.

I have tried it hundred times easily and Jennie and George junior and August nothing at all.

This is a point I allude to regularly: there is rarely gain without some pain! You have to get used to it in these kinds of pursuits. So repeat after me: DAY BY DAY AND IN EVERY WAY IT'S GETTING BETTER AND BETTER! Now go grab a beer or martini and toast your success so far.

Same procedure with his 3 boys in 1910, 1920 and 1930 this is not normal.

Normal? NORMAL! Piecing together all these scraps and tidbits from the past is not normal, our own ancestors would be the first to tell us. They do not owe us any sympathy or lending hand when it comes to making our efforts any the easier. In fact I can hear their voices chiming in unison: YOU ALL HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS! NOW PLEASE, GET BACK TO WORK!! Call it our blessings indeed.

The only thing i can still do is 1880 Census New York, Greater New York and then turning around each and every page ....

Sometimes this is the only way. And even here, after all the work, there is no guarantee of success. Only a small taste of pain-for-gain. You might want to have your wife grab the scissors and trimmers, as she may need to tidy up your growing beard while you're at it. Nothing like spending an entire day or more scratching and clawing your way through the census pages like a depraved animal while your brain sings "la la la la la" only to discover you are no further at midnight that your were at 8AM :: not a thing found! Ah only infinitely wiser for it. Plonk! Sleep well my son, the discovery may come to you yet in your dreams. lol

Barbie's suggestion to search by looking for associative neighbors and/or relatives is one of those smart tricks that often pays off, though it requires extra work. Fortunately this approach is more accessible than ever today with computer searching, as opposed to the days when you brought along toothpicks for your eyelids to keep them propped during those excruciating sessions of plowing thru microfilmed pages ad nauseum. I can still vividly recall days where my eyes and brain went into dream-like states from the effort. LOL.

Many newer to this sport have no idea how far we have come with our tools and online implements today, or what it was like just 20-25 years ago going through things like the census records manually in the days before indexes were commonplace (and YES, that WAS after hiking uphill for hours through hail and blizzards, barefoot and hungry throughout! grrrr).

Keep chipping away my friend. You know it wouldn't be as much fun if there weren't some heady challenges lining the way, and if those "black holes" didn't keep drawing us back into what seems like dark voids. If I had a dollar for every "if only" or "why oh why" or "nothing yet!" or "how can THAT be?", I'd be on extended leave right now with Karl on Kauai, sipping an oversized Mai Tai as the rest of you grind and peck away. Only once the suntan faded and the fun was over, I'd be right back where it all began, looking through those dusty ledgers and often fuzzy films and asking "How can THAT be!??"

Jb

PS. Re Haste, Kreis Schaumburg, the locale does not look well covered in the online FHLC, but Schaumburg-Lippe (+ Grafschaft Schaumburg) are. Go here and click PLACE SEARCH button:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp
Type in 'Schaumburg' in the place box (ignore the optional box) and look around. Keep your eyes open for VIEW FILM NOTES in upper right corners as you proceed, as they spell out additional info. Much of this will be a mix of both English and German.

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Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg .Teil, 7 + 8

Date: 2007/02/11 04:51:27
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

"J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
...
Any way you look at it, the Bolsheviks were looking to expand the Communistic "World Revolution" and even briefly pulled it off in Germany. There was only one political group prepared and willing to deal with this threat before it engulfed the country, the NSDAP.

"HPA" <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
...
Sorry JB, but that sounds a bit like the old recipe of getting rid of the cholera by spreading the pestilence. Historians, as far the scientifique ones are concerned, found that exactly this wrong hope put on the Nazis by the still established parts of Germany society in that times made them gain in 1933.

Well some hope is better than none, and the Weimar Republic was basically offering none. The Communists (KPD) and Socialists (SDP) both had their chance and did little with it. If they had wanted to win the elections or parliament and get the country turned around long term, they would have had to (at a minimum) unite. But they couldn't, because like so many other foggy headed parliamentarians in the WR, they amounted to a befuddled, bickering, self-interested pack of snobs and dreamers. As a consequence, the vanguard of communist red front was making greater and greater inroads with the poor, the unemployed and the lower (working) classes across the land, agitating for a fight (revolution) and social upheaval as they moved along.

Most Germans did not want this. Others had grown sick of all the sell-outs and shysters (carpetbaggers) they found in their midst, both internal and external, sucking whatever life Germany still possessed out of it. It is the reason why Hitler's party steadily rose to power as time went on, and came to dominate the Reichtstag by 1932. By that point, the National Socialists were picking up seats in the parliament faster than the KPD and SDP could lose them. By 1933, they had twice the seats of the Socialist Party and three times those of the KPD.

President Hindenburg had little choice but to turn the executive reins of power over to Hitler because of this, and in hopes the NS would act as a buffer against the growing communist violence and the threat of civil war (culminating in the burning down of the Reichstag itself by a dimwitted Red). In the 1934 plebiscite, Hitler won an astounding 90% of the vote over the issue of combining the highest offices of the state, military and party into one.

It does not surprise me the SPD hung back to protect themselves. Either
one of those parties would have steamrolled right over them, and trust me for what it's worth, the KPD, the Spartakusbund and Red Front Fighters' League were not going to go away without a fight.

Only a prospering economy would have managed that. Intelligence to manage
economy, cannot be found or build in street- or other fights. Seems to be an permanent error of politics, that getting the might is already enough and sufficient qualification to solve problems. So you might take it also as some
sort of wisdom, not to be envolved in street fights and try instead to keep
and influence parlamentarian democracy.

That presupposes that a prospering economy was there to begin with, or work with. That was hardly the case! Germany was mired in a particularly pernicious (dire) form of poverty, and little was improving as the years passed. It made our American depression look fairly lightweight by comparison. The victorious allied war powers were sucking what little sustenance Germany had out of it. It was criminal but lauded by the big shots of the day. The French were frothing at the mouth, the British Imperialists were laughing up their sleeves, and the American government couldn't care less.

Other groups were stealing and manipulating from within, from communists to carpetbagging capitalists, with far too many Jews being amongst those in the forefront. The Reds were itching for a fight, and soon enough they got one. Only they foolishly incited men who were seasoned in combat and in no mood for forgiveness. They made their beds, and soon they were going to be lying in them. Rose rimmed historians can put any personal twists on it they like, but they can't change the way it was.

As it were, the SA (Sturmabteilung) and Freikorps simply hit harder, and eventually ground the Reds into camp dust. In time they turned their guns towards the source of the Revolution -- Soviet Russia.

Sorry, but this also is a myth to me. If America would have lay in the East and had began at the Polish border, National Socialists would have started the same war in 1939, as they didn`t make any differences between the countries they captured in point of ruling ideology or ecomomy form. They had only one principle : might. In the end to silly to find an answer on: might, what for ?

Did the NS start the war, or were they reacting to conditions they viewed as being shoved down their throats, that is until they rose up and fought back? Could it be they were now set on settling the score, only this time on their terms? Once you disturb or provoke a bee hive, are there any guarantees the agitated within won't come at you viciously, with no saying when or where they will stop?

It was more complicated than just that precursor, to include the age-old concept of 'lebensraum' and the viewing of the Russians as little more than peasants ("submenschen" = lesser humans) accustomed to listless toil. The conditions in the vast expanses of Soviet Russia, deplorable and contentious as they were, fed into these estimations. Would the Russians have done better over time under German overlords, as opposed to the Marxist-Bolshevik masters they then had (and Czarist ones before that)? Who knows! But that of course is a subject all its own, and what existed then differs immensely from the political and economic conditions we find at present, and our more contemporary views.

It is always easier - when all is rosy and well - to sit in judgment of past events from loftier perches, and delude ourselves we are really seeing those times for what they were worth, more so the dire periods. And that is beyond the assault of propaganda that constantly pre-conditions our thinking. The masses, then and now, excel at blind thinking, and almost always believe what the folks in charge tell them. It is easier for the anointed ones to tell them how to think, since study and thinking beyond the norm takes extra effort. Crowds suffer delusions, as much now as back then. It fuels smugness, materialism and complacency.

At present our American government is obsessed by an Iraqi <and Israeli> situation that is way beyond our control, now to include the direct use of our armies and ever more resources, all the while bequeathing our Israeli friends astronomical monetary subsidies to include an arsenal of nuclear weapons (while expecting their neighbors to sit still and behave). What for! This is while to our south an ongoing - and virtually ignored - invasion on our own turf hurls forward, and the nation slowly but invariably transforms. It's laughable! It is also criminal, and yet most folks hardly seem to care anymore (or at least know their elected officials don't). Tolerance seems to know no bounds these days.

So I present to you a few rough sticklers from our own past. When we had enough of our British overlords, we sent them packing by the point of the gun. Lots of British merchants were short-changed (cheated) because of it, but to the victors go the rewards. Whenever the Indians "pushed" us, we made it a point to push back harder. We were able to build an American empire because of it, and we did not let the tears of so and so many native tribes stop the progress. Not the tidiest or prettiest picture, but it worked. Now America is admired (and hated) the world over, and everyone wants to come here. As for the value and purpose of "might", you might have a different take on it if someone were at your throat, or violating you at length while enjoying the feeling of impunity. It always goes back to the source of the trouble, which is where everyone insists on choosing their own view.

As it is, there are no easy or clear cut answers here. What astounds me is that so many people think there are.

Jb

PS. HPA here's the crux of our differing political views as I see it: you see the world for what it should be, and I see it for what it is and always has been: [revised] 1/4 fascinating, 1/4 amusing, 1/4 hopeless and 1/4 bunk. It hardly pleases me, but que sera sera.

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[HN] Suche Mitglied dieser Liste "Sabine Brandes"

Date: 2007/02/11 08:39:37
From: Nathalie Tschirner <nathalie.tschirner(a)htp-tel.de>

Guten Morgen einmal in die Runde,

ich habe im Archiv der Hannover-Liste eine alte Mail aus 2001 von Sabine Brandes bezüglich Masberg gefunden. Nur leider ist ist ihre Mailadresse von damals offenbar nicht mehr aktuell.

Sabine, bist du hier noch Mitglied dieser Liste? - dann würde ich mich freuen, wenn du dich bei mir meldest.

Oder kennt jemand Sabine und hat ihre aktuelle Mailadresse? Sie hatte damals Kontakt mit Reinhard Freytag wegen des Müllers Masberg in Peine.

Ich würd mich freuen, wenn mir jemand helfen könnte.

Lieben Gruß aus Peine und einen schönen Sonntag

Nathalie

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Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg .Teil, 7 + 8

Date: 2007/02/11 14:07:37
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

"J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
... 
> PS. HPA here's the crux of our differing political views as I see it: you 
> see the world for what it should be, and I see it for what it is and always 
> has been: [revised] 1/4 fascinating, 1/4 amusing, 1/4 hopeless and 1/4 bunk. 
> It hardly pleases me, but que sera sera.
...

Hi JB,

instead of a detailed response, which might get to much into the depth of general history for the opinion of some of the listers and because of a  - as I hope - only temporary lack of time, I would like to answer only on the last problem, you mentioned.

Cannot say, if the differences between our opnions are as you say, but supposed they are, both position: a) "to be only wishful to betterings" and b) "just recognizing what others made the things to be" are not reasonable effective for any progress in point of economy, human behaviour or anything else in need of developement. There is no way in or out, but getting this two dimensions combined into a theory and practice of daily acting, getting to the point of answering: what might be learned by history. 

Greetings

Hans Peter Albers



[HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg, 11.Teil, WEGN ER, MAERTENS, PREUSCHEL, POLLOK, STOLLE, PFEIFER, GRAUER, SCHULZE, RICHERT, TÜMMLE R, OHM, BEHRMANN, BARGMANN, KREPP, DIBBER N, HITLER, GRÖPLER,TIEMANN, ROGALSKI, S CHMECHOW, HAMMERSCHLAG, BEHRENS, KAINER, KR Eß, SPRENGER, KÜSTES, Th.MÜLLER, Or tstein

Date: 2007/02/11 14:07:38
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenleser,

hier weitere Namen und Ereignisse von Hamburger Kriminalfällen aus dem Jahre 1935, aus diversen Rückmeldungen kann ich entnehmen, das einige Funde gemacht und Informationen für die eigenen Forschungen gefunden worden sind. Zum Zwecke der entsprechenden richtigen Quellenangabe wird diese daher wie immer genannt: EBELING, Helmut: Schwarze Chronik einer Weltstadt. Hamburger Krimalgeschichte 1919 bis 1946, Hamburg: Kabel-Verlag 1980(1967):

" ... 1935 ...

 2. 1.35 Vatermord an Adolf WEGNER, Borgfelderstr..; Täter: Alfred WEGNER; Proz.: 29.4.35 (Todesurteil)

19. 1.35 Lohngeldraub auf der Reismühle, Bullenhuser Damm. Täter: R.MAERTENS, E.PREUSCHEL, B.POLLOK; Proz..: 28..2.35

 1. 2.35 Prozeß gegen Angestellte der "Norddeutschen Zwecksparkasse (Schwindelunternehmen); Täter: B.STOLLE, P.PFEIFER, L.GRAUER

13. 2.35 Beginn des Prozesses gegen Fiete SCHULZE, KPD-Landesleitung, Todesurteil vollstreckt 6.6.35

 6. 3.35 Kaufmann RICHERT wegen Devisenvergehen verhaftet; Proz..: 29.5.35

15. 3.35 Prozeß gegen 30 Funktionäre der "Ernsten Bibelforscher" - Zeugen Jehovas (TÜMMLER und andere)

12. 4.35 Prozeß gegen den früheren Polizeibeamten W.OHM wegen zweier Raubüberfälle (1932)

11. 5.35 Kind Horst BEHRMANN aus Säuglingsklinik Finkenau geraubt. Täter: A.BARGMANN; Proz.: 3.12.35

 6. 6.35 "Freie Christengemeinde e.V.,Hamburg", Uhlandstr., als "Grundbetervereinigung" verboten.

12. 6.35 Leichenfund in Altona, Am Brunnenhof 3 (Fall Otto KREPP, Mord an Ludwig DIBBERN); Proz. 11.6.36, Todesurteil) (s.373ff.: ...Otto Willi KREPP ...am 10.Januar 1913 in Frankfurt /Main  unehelich geboren ... Todesurteil 13.6.36, ...Ablehnung Begnadigungsgesuch durch Adolf HITLER 15.12.1936 ... Hinrichtung 12.Januar 1937 ... Scharfrichter Carl GRÖPLER aus Magdeburg... Rechnung des Scharfrichters ... 331,12 RM ...")

19. 7.35 Meineidbande "Schwarze Hand" aufgeflogen; Täter: TIEMANN, ROGALSKI u.andere; Proz.: 22.6.36, witerer Proz. 21.6.38

31. 7.35 Erste Meldungen über Festnahmen wegen "Rassenschande"... (S.349ff: "... in Hamburg verhandelt wurde... der Fall des jüdischen Bürgers Leo SCHMECHOW, eines 23jährigen Kaufmanns, der am 7.Vovember 1935 ...vor dem Schwurgericht Altona... obwohl das Gericht einen Notzuchtsversuch verneinte, zu 9 Monaten Gefängnis verurteilt. ...)und (ebda. jüdischer Kaufmann Hermann HAMMERSCHLAG ... 19 Jahre eheähnliche Beziehung mit leitender Angestellten ... 2.Juli 1938 ... 3 Jahre Zuchthaus und Ehrverlust ... überstand den Krieg ... in Hongkong.") und "28.2.1939 Oswald BEHRENS 13 Jahre Zuchthaus ...,  18.März 1939 ...Oswald KAINER ... 15 Jahre Zuchthaus ...")

28. 9.35 Betrugsprozeß KREß/SPRENGER, internationale Schwindler und Hochstapler

 3.11.35 Prozeß gegen den Fassadenkletterer Fred KÜSTERS und Th.MÜLLER

14.12.35 Aufklärung des Gattenmordes ORTSTEIN, Laubenkolonie Nelkensteg.

..."

mit bestem Grüßen zum Wochenende (Greetings for the week-end) 

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Re: [HN] Hilfe, bitte.

Date: 2007/02/11 17:20:31
From: Reinhard J. Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Latferde liegt im Amt Grohnde, zu finden direkt an der Weser
zwischen hameln und Holzminden.

Heute politischer Landkreis Hameln-Pyrmont.
Evangelisch-Lutherische Kirche vorhanden, ebenso die
Kirchenbücher.
 
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-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 06:40:31 +0100
> Subject: [HN] Hilfe, bitte.
> From: "kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net" 
> To: 

> Wo ist Lotferde, Amt Groheda, Hannover?  Meine Vorfahtren
hiessen 
> Sinram.  Gibt es eine lutherische Kirche in der Nähe, in
deren 
> Kirchenbüchern ich nachsehen könnte?  Grüß, Danke und
Mahalo aus 
> Hawaii.  Dolly
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[HN] Herr Freytag: Grohnde

Date: 2007/02/11 17:40:36
From: KlausKunzeUslar <KlausKunzeUslar(a)aol.com>

Guten Abend lieber Herr Freytag.
Wo ich das las: Machen Sie sich bei Grohnde mal ein Lesezeichen mit meinem 
Namen und schreiben 1794-um 1840, wenn Sie mal was brauchen.
Tschüs, Ihr
KK

Re: [HN] Suche in Dassel / Ldkrs.Northeim

Date: 2007/02/11 17:42:11
From: Reinhard J. Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hallo, Klaus,

ich war schon selbst im Büro des Pfarramtes der ev. Kirche
in Dassel.
Da kannst Du nach vorheriger Anmeldung hinfahren und findest
alles, wonach Du suchst, schon wegen der relativ späten
Zeit. Die KB sind  auch registermäßig gut erschlossen.
 
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-----Original Message-----
> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 18:35:33 +0100
> Subject: [HN] Suche in Dassel / Ldkrs.Northeim
> From: "Klaus Leven" 
> To: "Hannover - L" 

> Hallo Listenmitleser,
> 
> meine Großmutter, Auguste SCHMIDT heiratet am 6.03.1900
August RICHTER
> in Dassel.
> 
> Die Eltern vun Auguste SCHMIDT sind Heinrich SCHMIDT und
Eveline
> BRODTHANEN aus Dassel.
> 
> In der Heiratsurkunde sind nur die Namen der Eltern
angegeben.
> 
> Von Heinrich SCHMIDT habe ich noch das Sterbedatum,
16.04.1919 in
> Hannover.
> 
> Was kann ich machen und wo muß ich suchen,um Daten der
Eltern zu
> bekommen.
> 
> Danke für jeden Hinweis und Grüße aus dem verschneiten
Hamburg
> 
> Klaus (Leven)
> 
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[HN] Bormann, Leynen, Reineken, Buschen, Flögel und Hencke /Harsum/Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/11 20:17:09
From: FFRMH(a)t-online.de <FFRMH(a)t-online.de>

   Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

   bearbeitet jemand die Familien

   Bormann, Leynen oder Lehnen, Reineken,  Buschen, Flögel und Hencke

   in, aus und um Harsum bei Hildesheim?

   Viele Grüße

   F.- Franz Rüther

   Mülheim- Ruhr

[HN] Zeisberg-Ahnenliste

Date: 2007/02/11 21:00:53
From: Ursula Schlotz <Ursula.Schlotz(a)web.de>

Hallo,

habe eine mail-Anfrage aus Amerika, die wahrscheinlich mit Hilfe der bislang zugänglichen Ahnenliste ZEISBERG beantwortet werden könnte. Leider funktionieren die Links nicht mehr. Wer weiß, unter welcher Adresse diese überaus wertvolle Genealogie nun zu öffnen ist?

Viele Grüße

Ursula




Re: [HN] Zeisberg-Ahnenliste

Date: 2007/02/11 21:05:44
From: Nathalie Tschirner <nathalie.tschirner(a)htp-tel.de>

Hallo Ursula,

die Seite ist durch einen Hacker völlig zerstört worden und bis jetzt noch nicht wieder am Netz. Da ich nicht weiß, ob Bernd Zeisberg derzeit hier mitliest, werde ich ihm diese Mail mal direkt weiterleiten.

Lieben Gruß

Nathalie

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Ursula Schlotz schrieb:
Hallo,

habe eine mail-Anfrage aus Amerika, die wahrscheinlich mit Hilfe der bislang zugänglichen Ahnenliste ZEISBERG beantwortet werden könnte. Leider funktionieren die Links nicht mehr. Wer weiß, unter welcher Adresse diese überaus wertvolle Genealogie nun zu öffnen ist?

Viele Grüße

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Re: [HN] Bormann, Leynen, Reineken, Buschen, Flögel und Hencke /Harsum/Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/11 21:05:45
From: Star <izzydo(a)voyager.net>

Hi Franz Rüther,
I don't know if you understand English but I see Bormann in your subject line and I am reseaching Boertmann Which I think may have been Bormann before coming to the USA. Have you found this version of this name in your reseach?
Thanks
Star L. DaVan
Michigan USA

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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: [HN] Bormann, Leynen, Reineken, Buschen, Flögel und Hencke /Harsum/Hildesheim



  Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

  bearbeitet jemand die Familien

  Bormann, Leynen oder Lehnen, Reineken,  Buschen, Flögel und Hencke

  in, aus und um Harsum bei Hildesheim?

  Viele Grüße

  F.- Franz Rüther

  Mülheim- Ruhr
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Re: [HN] Zeisberg-Ahnenliste

Date: 2007/02/11 21:07:33
From: Michaela Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>

Hallo,

Bernd Zeisberg ist im Augenblick nur über Mail zu erreichen : zeisy(a)aol.com
Seine HP wurde vor einiger Zeit gehackt.

Viele Grüße
Michaela
Webmaster von http://ahnenforschungmichi.plusboard.de/
Moderatorin bei : http://ahnenforschung.plusboard.de/
Ein Ahnenforschungs-Forum, speziell für Österreich,Ungarn,......

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Ursula Schlotz
Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2007 20:58
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: [HN] Zeisberg-Ahnenliste


Hallo,

habe eine mail-Anfrage aus Amerika, die wahrscheinlich mit Hilfe der
bislang zugänglichen Ahnenliste ZEISBERG beantwortet werden könnte.
Leider funktionieren die Links nicht mehr. Wer weiß, unter welcher
Adresse diese überaus wertvolle Genealogie nun zu öffnen ist?

Viele Grüße

Ursula


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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC

Date: 2007/02/11 21:08:35
From: Art Dohrman <art.dohrman(a)comcast.net>

Armin,
One note on NYC customs in the 1800s:

Every year on May 1st the whole city would move to a different apartment:
May 1st was "Moving Day".  Sounds crazy, but it's well documented in the
various NYC histories.

My families living in Manhattan between 1870 and 1886 were at a different
address every year: certainly in the census records, but also in the City
Directories (JB is right, those are very useful).  Unfortunately to the best
of my knowledge those are not available on line: I've had to go to the NY
Public Library to view them on microfilm.

Similarly, there IS a NY State census (sorry JB), conducted every ten years
on the 5th year of the decade (i.e. 1855, 1865, etc), but it's not available
on line either.

Regards
Art

-----Original Message-----


>Looks like another family is living in his apartement. And now i cant find 
>him in the index. Is he one of those forgotten people, so will i ever see 
>him and his wife and the name of his children ???? This is not fair really 
>not fair i am so sad now.

Armin:
>And he is not in 1860, 1870, 1880 always on a Europe trip. I think he is so

>hard misspelled that noone can find him or he was moving around in New 
>York, so he was just leaving as the enumerator came or ???




[HN] Garbe, Friedrich geb. 15.05.1870

Date: 2007/02/11 23:47:22
From: susanneromeike <susanneromeike(a)aol.com>

Hallo liebe Listen-Teilnehmer,
ich suche Informationen über Friedrich Garbe. Leider weiß ich nur, dass sein letzter Aufenthaltsort 1897 Bremerhaven war und er dort verheiratet war mit Anna Wessels. Zusammen hatten die beiden 4 Söhne. 
Vielen Dank für die Hilfe
Gruß
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Re: [HN] Bormann, Leynen, Reineken, Buschen, Flögel und Hencke /Harsum/Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/12 10:45:15
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

"Star" <izzydo(a)voyager.net> schrieb:
> Hi Franz Rüther,
>            I don't know if you understand English but I see Bormann in your 
> subject line and I am reseaching Boertmann Which I think may have been 
> Bormann before coming to the USA.  Have you found this version of this name 
> in your reseach?
> Thanks
> Star L. DaVan
> Michigan USA

Hi, Star L. DaVan,

one could be found in the telephone directory from 1998:

- BOERTMAN, Sascha (Gro), Eder Str.2, 35274 Kirchhain, Tel. 06422-85525 (Gro = Großseelheim)

besides there are eleven different BÖERT, most of them in the region Melle and Osnabrück. In the end to lttle in number to say that is the researched region, but perhaps worth a try, as the ending "-MANN" often occures where the word stem is also given.

Greetings

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Re: [HN] Garbe, Friedrich geb. 15.05.1870

Date: 2007/02/12 10:54:37
From: Küster Ulrich <Ulrich.Kuester(a)t-online.de>


Am 11.02.2007 um 23:46 schrieb susanneromeike(a)aol.com:

Hallo liebe Listen-Teilnehmer,
ich suche Informationen über Friedrich Garbe. Leider weiß ich nur, dass sein letzter Aufenthaltsort 1897 Bremerhaven war und er dort verheiratet war mit Anna Wessels. Zusammen hatten die beiden 4 Söhne.
Vielen Dank für die Hilfe
Gruß
Susanne
______________________________________________________________________ __
Hallo Susanne,

zu Deinem Friedrich Garbe habe ich keine Informationen, wohl aber über eine amerikanische Forscherin zu einem Albert Friedrich Garbe * 06.03.1846 in der Nähe von Potsdam, ausgewandert nach Amerika und ✝ 31.12.1914 in Nordheim, Texas.
Bei Interesse bitte melden.

Viele Grüsse
Ulrich (Küster)
(Ulrich.Kuester(a)t-online.de)



Re: [HN] Bormann, Leynen, Reineken, Buschen, Flögel und Hencke /Harsum/Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/12 11:03:21
From: Star <izzydo(a)voyager.net>

Thank you very much for the advice.  I will see what I can find.
Star

----- Original Message ----- From: <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: [HN]Bormann, Leynen, Reineken, Buschen, Flögel und Hencke /Harsum/Hildesheim


"Star" <izzydo(a)voyager.net> schrieb:
Hi Franz Rüther,
I don't know if you understand English but I see Bormann in your
subject line and I am reseaching Boertmann Which I think may have been
Bormann before coming to the USA. Have you found this version of this name
in your reseach?
Thanks
Star L. DaVan
Michigan USA

Hi, Star L. DaVan,

one could be found in the telephone directory from 1998:

- BOERTMAN, Sascha (Gro), Eder Str.2, 35274 Kirchhain, Tel. 06422-85525 (Gro = Großseelheim)

besides there are eleven different BÖERT, most of them in the region Melle and Osnabrück. In the end to lttle in number to say that is the researched region, but perhaps worth a try, as the ending "-MANN" often occures where the word stem is also given.

Greetings

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Art Dormann)

Date: 2007/02/12 15:33:45
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 12.02.2007 12:25:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC


 Hi Art
 
Thank you for your mail i didnt know that with "moving day". 
 
I know that sounds strange but i know the same at the end of the holidays  in 
southern france ... they all leave the same day even the holidays are not  
finished and you are suddenly all alone on the beach .......
Not that i wouldnt like it :-)))))
 
Ok i have something about the city directories in NY:
 
1 May 1892
Hattorf, Geo. E., bisque, 71 W. 3rd, home 242  7th
 
1 Jul 1893
Hattorf, Geo. E., bisque, 71 W. 3rd
 
but unfortunatelly nothing about 1880, well the adress in the  voters 
registry of course. So i have beginning to check 1880 census, it will  take ...... 
month..... years?
 
But in my opinion of course i can be wrong he has never  leaving his home 
town NY.
 
Thank you very much
Armin
 
 
 
 
 
 

[HN] TANGEMANN und MESTEMAKERaus Lingen nach Newark, New Jersey/USA

Date: 2007/02/12 17:25:22
From: George Meister <george.meister(a)gmx.de>

Hallo,

Ich bearbeite die KB der kath. Pfarrei St. Mary's in Newark im Bundesstaat New Jersey, einer Gemeinde, die sich ab 1842 um Einwanderer aus deutschen Landen kümmerte.

Zwei dieser Emigranten stammten aus Lingen in Hannover:

Johann Robert TANGEMANN *1. Aug. 1824, Sohn des Schmiedes Johann Bernard TANGEMANN und der Maria Helena NOTTEBOHM.

Joh. Robert heiratete (wohl in USA, ca. 1851/52)

Maria Elisabeth MESTEMAKER *8. Okt. 1823 in Lingen, Tochter des Fassbinders Johann Heinrich MESTEMAKER und der Maria Elisabeth WILMERING.

Daten für diese beiden wie auch für deren ausgewanderte Geschwister habe ich in Walter Tenfeldes Buch über Lingener Auswanderer auf S. 238 und 314 gefunden.

Zur Komplettierung hätte ich gerne auch für deren Eltern die Geburts- und Heiratsdaten, die bei Tenefelde nicht angegeben sind. Hätte ein Lingener Forscher vielleicht diese Familien in seinen Dateeien?

Auch vermute ich, dass der Bernard TANGEMANN in zweiter Ehe mit einer Anna Maria SCHLEE verheiratet war, denn auch von diesem Ehepaar sind Kinder ausgewandert. Ich denke, es ist eher unwahrscheilich, dass in Lingen gleichzeitig 2 Schmiede namens Bernard TANGEMANN lebten. Die erste Ehe wird ca 1822 gewesen sein, eine eventuelle zweite ca 1840 oder etwas früher.

Das Heiratsdatum für MESTEMAKER oo WILMERING dürfte etwa 1820/22 gewesen sein.

Bei Interesse teile ich gerne das mit, was ich ich Newark zu diesen beiden Auswanderern gefunden habe.

Vielen Dank und einen schönen Abend.

Mit freundlichem Gruß

George





Re: [HN] TANGEMANN und MESTEMAKERaus Lingen nach Newark, New Jersey/USA

Date: 2007/02/12 21:51:07
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
    
      Have you seen the Lingen  Ortfamilienbuch?

http://www.online-ofb.de/famlist.php?ofb=lingen&b=A&lang=de

Barbara


Ich bearbeite die KB der kath. Pfarrei St. Mary's in Newark im
Bundesstaat New Jersey, einer Gemeinde, die sich ab 1842 um
Einwanderer aus deutschen Landen kümmerte.

Zwei dieser Emigranten stammten aus Lingen in Hannover:

Johann Robert TANGEMANN *1. Aug. 1824, Sohn des Schmiedes Johann
Bernard TANGEMANN und der Maria Helena NOTTEBOHM.

Joh. Robert heiratete (wohl in USA, ca. 1851/52)

Maria Elisabeth MESTEMAKER *8. Okt. 1823 in Lingen, Tochter des
Fassbinders Johann Heinrich MESTEMAKER und der Maria Elisabeth
WILMERING.

Daten für diese beiden wie auch für deren ausgewanderte Geschwister
habe ich in Walter Tenfeldes Buch über Lingener Auswanderer auf S.
238 und 314 gefunden.

Zur Komplettierung hätte ich gerne auch für deren Eltern die Geburts-
und Heiratsdaten, die bei Tenefelde nicht angegeben sind. Hätte ein
Lingener Forscher vielleicht diese Familien in seinen Dateeien?

Auch vermute ich, dass der Bernard TANGEMANN in zweiter Ehe mit einer
Anna Maria SCHLEE verheiratet war, denn auch von diesem Ehepaar sind
Kinder ausgewandert. Ich denke, es ist eher unwahrscheilich, dass in
Lingen gleichzeitig 2 Schmiede namens Bernard TANGEMANN lebten. Die
erste Ehe wird ca 1822 gewesen sein, eine eventuelle zweite ca 1840
oder etwas früher.

Das Heiratsdatum für MESTEMAKER oo WILMERING dürfte etwa 1820/22
gewesen sein.

Bei Interesse teile ich gerne das mit, was ich ich Newark zu diesen
beiden Auswanderern gefunden habe.

Vielen Dank und einen schönen Abend.




Ich bearbeite die KB der kath. Pfarrei St. Mary's in Newark im
Bundesstaat New Jersey, einer Gemeinde, die sich ab 1842 um
Einwanderer aus deutschen Landen kümmerte.

Zwei dieser Emigranten stammten aus Lingen in Hannover:

Johann Robert TANGEMANN *1. Aug. 1824, Sohn des Schmiedes Johann
Bernard TANGEMANN und der Maria Helena NOTTEBOHM.

Joh. Robert heiratete (wohl in USA, ca. 1851/52)

Maria Elisabeth MESTEMAKER *8. Okt. 1823 in Lingen, Tochter des
Fassbinders Johann Heinrich MESTEMAKER und der Maria Elisabeth
WILMERING.

Daten für diese beiden wie auch für deren ausgewanderte Geschwister
habe ich in Walter Tenfeldes Buch über Lingener Auswanderer auf S.
238 und 314 gefunden.

Zur Komplettierung hätte ich gerne auch für deren Eltern die Geburts-
und Heiratsdaten, die bei Tenefelde nicht angegeben sind. Hätte ein
Lingener Forscher vielleicht diese Familien in seinen Dateeien?

Auch vermute ich, dass der Bernard TANGEMANN in zweiter Ehe mit einer
Anna Maria SCHLEE verheiratet war, denn auch von diesem Ehepaar sind
Kinder ausgewandert. Ich denke, es ist eher unwahrscheilich, dass in
Lingen gleichzeitig 2 Schmiede namens Bernard TANGEMANN lebten. Die
erste Ehe wird ca 1822 gewesen sein, eine eventuelle zweite ca 1840
oder etwas früher.

Das Heiratsdatum für MESTEMAKER oo WILMERING dürfte etwa 1820/22
gewesen sein.

Bei Interesse teile ich gerne das mit, was ich ich Newark zu diesen
beiden Auswanderern gefunden habe.

Vielen Dank und einen schönen Abend.

   

Ich bearbeite die KB der kath. Pfarrei St. Mary's in Newark im
Bundesstaat New Jersey, einer Gemeinde, die sich ab 1842 um
Einwanderer aus deutschen Landen kümmerte.

Zwei dieser Emigranten stammten aus Lingen in Hannover:

Johann Robert TANGEMANN *1. Aug. 1824, Sohn des Schmiedes Johann
Bernard TANGEMANN und der Maria Helena NOTTEBOHM.

Joh. Robert heiratete (wohl in USA, ca. 1851/52)

Maria Elisabeth MESTEMAKER *8. Okt. 1823 in Lingen, Tochter des
Fassbinders Johann Heinrich MESTEMAKER und der Maria Elisabeth
WILMERING.

Daten für diese beiden wie auch für deren ausgewanderte Geschwister
habe ich in Walter Tenfeldes Buch über Lingener Auswanderer auf S.
238 und 314 gefunden.

Zur Komplettierung hätte ich gerne auch für deren Eltern die Geburts-
und Heiratsdaten, die bei Tenefelde nicht angegeben sind. Hätte ein
Lingener Forscher vielleicht diese Familien in seinen Dateeien?

Auch vermute ich, dass der Bernard TANGEMANN in zweiter Ehe mit einer
Anna Maria SCHLEE verheiratet war, denn auch von diesem Ehepaar sind
Kinder ausgewandert. Ich denke, es ist eher unwahrscheilich, dass in
Lingen gleichzeitig 2 Schmiede namens Bernard TANGEMANN lebten. Die
erste Ehe wird ca 1822 gewesen sein, eine eventuelle zweite ca 1840
oder etwas früher.

Das Heiratsdatum für MESTEMAKER oo WILMERING dürfte etwa 1820/22
gewesen sein.

Bei Interesse teile ich gerne das mit, was ich ich Newark zu diesen
beiden Auswanderern gefunden habe.

Vielen Dank und einen schönen Abend.
           

Ich bearbeite die KB der kath. Pfarrei St. Mary's in Newark im
Bundesstaat New Jersey, einer Gemeinde, die sich ab 1842 um
Einwanderer aus deutschen Landen kümmerte.

Zwei dieser Emigranten stammten aus Lingen in Hannover:

Johann Robert TANGEMANN *1. Aug. 1824, Sohn des Schmiedes Johann
Bernard TANGEMANN und der Maria Helena NOTTEBOHM.

Joh. Robert heiratete (wohl in USA, ca. 1851/52)

Maria Elisabeth MESTEMAKER *8. Okt. 1823 in Lingen, Tochter des
Fassbinders Johann Heinrich MESTEMAKER und der Maria Elisabeth
WILMERING.

Daten für diese beiden wie auch für deren ausgewanderte Geschwister
habe ich in Walter Tenfeldes Buch über Lingener Auswanderer auf S.
238 und 314 gefunden.

Zur Komplettierung hätte ich gerne auch für deren Eltern die Geburts-
und Heiratsdaten, die bei Tenefelde nicht angegeben sind. Hätte ein
Lingener Forscher vielleicht diese Familien in seinen Dateeien?

Auch vermute ich, dass der Bernard TANGEMANN in zweiter Ehe mit einer
Anna Maria SCHLEE verheiratet war, denn auch von diesem Ehepaar sind
Kinder ausgewandert. Ich denke, es ist eher unwahrscheilich, dass in
Lingen gleichzeitig 2 Schmiede namens Bernard TANGEMANN lebten. Die
erste Ehe wird ca 1822 gewesen sein, eine eventuelle zweite ca 1840
oder etwas früher.

Das Heiratsdatum für MESTEMAKER oo WILMERING dürfte etwa 1820/22
gewesen sein.

Bei Interesse teile ich gerne das mit, was ich ich Newark zu diesen
beiden Auswanderern gefunden habe.

Vielen Dank und einen schönen Abend.



 Hallo,
> 
> Ich bearbeite die KB der kath. Pfarrei St. Mary's in Newark im
> Bundesstaat New Jersey, einer Gemeinde, die sich ab 1842 um
> Einwanderer aus deutschen Landen kümmerte.
> 
> Zwei dieser Emigranten stammten aus Lingen in Hannover:
> 
> Johann Robert TANGEMANN *1. Aug. 1824, Sohn des Schmiedes Johann
> Bernard TANGEMANN und der Maria Helena NOTTEBOHM.
> 
> Joh. Robert heiratete (wohl in USA, ca. 1851/52)
> 
> Maria Elisabeth MESTEMAKER *8. Okt. 1823 in Lingen, Tochter des
> Fassbinders Johann Heinrich MESTEMAKER und der Maria Elisabeth
> WILMERING.
> 
> Daten für diese beiden wie auch für deren ausgewanderte Geschwister
> habe ich in Walter Tenfeldes Buch über Lingener Auswanderer auf S.
> 238 und 314 gefunden.
> 
> Zur Komplettierung hätte ich gerne auch für deren Eltern die Geburts-
> und Heiratsdaten, die bei Tenefelde nicht angegeben sind. Hätte ein
> Lingener Forscher vielleicht diese Familien in seinen Dateeien?
> 
> Auch vermute ich, dass der Bernard TANGEMANN in zweiter Ehe mit einer
> Anna Maria SCHLEE verheiratet war, denn auch von diesem Ehepaar sind
> Kinder ausgewandert. Ich denke, es ist eher unwahrscheilich, dass in
> Lingen gleichzeitig 2 Schmiede namens Bernard TANGEMANN lebten. Die
> erste Ehe wird ca 1822 gewesen sein, eine eventuelle zweite ca 1840
> oder etwas früher.
> 
> Das Heiratsdatum für MESTEMAKER oo WILMERING dürfte etwa 1820/22
> gewesen sein.
> 
> Bei Interesse teile ich gerne das mit, was ich ich Newark zu diesen
> beiden Auswanderern gefunden habe.
> 
> Vielen Dank und einen schönen Abend.
> 
> Mit freundlichem Gruß
> 
> George
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Bormann, Leynen, Reineken, Buschen, Flögel und Hencke /Harsum/Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/12 22:21:40
From: FFRMH(a)t-online.de <FFRMH(a)t-online.de>

   Hallo Star,

   ich glaube nicht, daß Boertmann und Bormann die gleiche Familie sind,
   denn das sind ganz unterschiedliche Wortstämme.

   Viele Grüße

   F.- Franz Rüther

   -----Original Message-----
   Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:05:26 +0100
   Subject: Re: [HN] Bormann, Leynen, Reineken,  Buschen, Flögel und
   Hencke /Harsum/Hildesheim
   From: "Star" <izzydo(a)voyager.net>
   To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   Hi Franz Rüther,
             I don't know if you understand English but I see Bormann in
   your
   subject line and I am reseaching Boertmann Which I think may have been
   Bormann before coming to the USA.  Have you found this version of this
   name
   in your reseach?
   Thanks
   Star L. DaVan
   Michigan USA
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: <FFRMH(a)t-online.de>
   To: "Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:13 PM
   Subject: [HN] Bormann, Leynen, Reineken, Buschen, Flögel und Hencke
   /Harsum/Hildesheim
     Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
     bearbeitet jemand die Familien
     Bormann, Leynen oder Lehnen, Reineken,  Buschen, Flögel und Hencke
     in, aus und um Harsum bei Hildesheim?
     Viele Grüße
     F.- Franz Rüther
     Mülheim- Ruhr
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[HN] Baller

Date: 2007/02/12 22:25:40
From: FFRMH(a)t-online.de <FFRMH(a)t-online.de>

   Hallo LIstenteilnehmer,

   an allen Namensträgern der Familie

   Baller

   vor 1750, kath., ref. und luth., habe ich Interesse.

   Über Antworten würde ich mich freuen.

     Viele Grüße

     F.- Franz Rüther
     Mülheim- Ruhr

[HN] Schatzungslisten, Einwohnerverzeichnisse/Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/12 22:31:05
From: FFRMH(a)t-online.de <FFRMH(a)t-online.de>

   Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

   welche Schatzungslisten, Einwohnerverzeichnisse o.ä. gibt es für das
   ehemalige Fürstbistum Hildesheim vor 1800? Die Kopfsteuerbeschreibung
   von 1664 ist mir bekannt.

     Viele Grüße

     F.- Franz Rüther

    Mülheim- Ruhr

Re: [HN] Unsubscribe me, please.

Date: 2007/02/12 22:33:55
From: Gustavo Possel <gpossel(a)pelambres.cl>

Dear Sirs

Please unsubscribe me 

Gustavo Pössel

Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg, 9.Teil

Date: 2007/02/13 01:58:33
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Hamburg Black Chronicle, Part 9 [English]

Punctually on the weekend again, new from Hamburg's history of crime.

From another source: “The Chronicle of Hamburg, Dortmund: Harenberg 1991”
come the 18 deaths from Bloody Sunday in Altona, arising because the SA [NS Stormtroops] took a protest march through the [Red] workers quarters, specifically with 2 dead SA, 3 dead Communists and 13 uninvolved casualties [deaths]. The difference in the above-mentioned with Ebeling's Hamburg Black Chronicle, Kabel-Publishing 1980: 16 dead could not be clarified so far. It is conceivable that with Ebeling only those in the proceedings documents, from which he had worked, were counted.

The incidents for the year 1933 follow, quoted from EBELING: …

[Excerpted]

- 1933 -

Feb 24  SA [Storm Division/Stormtroops] Auxiliary Police in Harburg set up

Feb 26 Hitler Youth Otto Blöcker shot in "Falkenburg" pub in the Eppendorf quarter

Feb 28 Police Head Watchman [Guard] Kopka shot thanks to communists on Woltmann Street

Mar 07  Alfred Richter (NSDAP) becomes Police Senator [Commissar]

Mar 09  Lieutenant-Colonel Simon Chief of the Security Police

Mar 30 300 man SA-Auxiliary Police in Hamburg, at about the same time as the establishment of the notorious “Kommandos e.g. V.” [Kommandos = commands, orders, detachments, squads] [?]

Apr 02 Bomb strike on NS [National Socialist] pub "Wucherpfennig" on Barmbeker Street

May 27 Police Chief Eggerstedt, of Altona, arrested in his shooting-box at Mönchsteich by Reinfeld. He was shot dead on 12.10.1933 as a prisoner “on the run” from the concentration camp Papenburg/Ems

April  First concentration camp in Wittmoor

Jun 12  Renaming of the police quarters

Jun 30  Chief Danner and 9 other police officials dismissed

Jul 01 Execution of Gustav Koppel (in the Hauschild murder case); it was the first execution in Altona since 23.9.1915

Jul 29 Since March 1933: 2000 arrests for political reasons, 850 house searches. 500 persons were supplied to the court of justice, 650 came directly into protective custody

Aug 02 Executions for Altona's Bloody Sunday [affair]: Tesch, Lütgens, Wolff, Möller

Aug 18  SA-Auxiliary Police in Hamburg and Prussia (Altona) dissolved

Sep 20 Special court judgments because of alleged spreading of atrocity stories [propaganda] against the NS-authority [NS rule]

Oct 12 Police Chief Campe before court. Alleged abuse of service expenses. Free-verdict

Oct 23 Bruno Streckenbach becomes director of the Hamburg State Police (later: Secret State Police)

Oct 31 Explosive strike on Gauleiter [Governor/Regional Party Leader] Kaufmann at the restaurant "Zur Rennbahn"

Supplementary entry from page 237:

One week later on March 5, 1934, red posters on the advertisement pillars announce: "The habitual criminal Ernst Paul August Hannack, born on 28.8.1900 in Harburg, at the end a resident in Hamburg, was executed this morning by the axe." The death-deserving crime was no murder and robbery however, but from shots taken by pursuing police officers, the judgment a result of - and based on - a new law of the Nazis. Hannack had in 1927 tried to follow his emigrated mother to America, however nothing came of it as he could not show a certificate of good conduct [character reference] (5 years exempt from punishment [penalty-free] were demanded). Thus this [his] career continued to go…

Ebeling sees the taking over [seizure of power] by the police as a result of the Nazis likewise as crimes - as do others of this period - and conveys it logically in his list of crimes, which made this somewhat longer. The subsequent years will become somewhat shorter again.

HPA in Bienenbüttel

========

Lucky for us Herr Hannack didn't make it across the mighty pond. We certainly would have had no need of one more career criminal running loose on our streets. So in this case, power to those pursuing police officers.

These entries are for the year the National Socialists [NSDAP] took political control of Germany, after President von Hindenburg appointed Hitler Reich Chancellor in January 1933. The burning of the Reichstag (Parliament) occurred a month later on the night of February 27, 1933 in Berlin, and was to prove a pivotal event in the establishment of the Third Reich. Interesting that the day after that infamous event, the communists were still taking pot shots at the police in Hamburg [in this case policeman Kopka on the Woltmannstrasse], though needless to say this was to end soon enough. NS officials were still being targeted for bombings to boot, evidenced by two in Hamburg during 1933 alone, so they obviously didn't have their most reactionary opponents under their thumbs yet.

In early March 1933, three men were arrested who were to play starring roles during the Leipzig Trial, also known as "Reichstag Fire Trial." All three were Bulgarians: Georgi Dimitrov, Vasil Tanev and Blagoi Popov. These Bulgarians were known to the Prussian police as senior Comintern operatives, but the police had no idea how senior they were: Dimitrov was in fact head of all Comintern operations in Western Europe. The Comintern was an international Communist organization founded in 1919 by Lenin (as Chairman of the Soviet Union) to assist other communists outside their country to fight "by all available means, including armed force, for the overthrow of the international bourgeoisie, and for the creation of an international Soviet republic as a transition stage to the complete abolition of the State."

Jb

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[HN] Unsubscribers!

Date: 2007/02/13 02:37:27
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Did you even bother to READ your enrollment messages, the ones sent to you when you initially signed up? It is all spelled out there! As it is, you are asking Juergen and/or Fred to do a task that is not their responsibility. It amounts to extra work they do not need.

But alas, if you require a shortcut, here it is :: at the bottom of every posting on Hannover-L you will find the following URL: http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

Go there, choose a language of choice (at the top) and click the VIEW button, then go to the very bottom and unsubscribe with your e mail addy. Voila!

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Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg, 9.Teil

Date: 2007/02/13 03:57:13
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear HPA & JB,

HPA, a note of thanks and appreciation for taking the time to document data from Schwarze Chronik of Hamburg.

JB, Enjoy the historical commentary, opinions and appricate the translations.

Is food for thought, as my own ancestors lived in the area of Bergedorf , GU Richard until 1930, and Geesthacht, GU Karl until 1928, as well as a visit to the area in 1932 made by GP'S.

I wonder if there is anyway to discover political associiation cirrca 1920's?

There is a photo marked 1927 of a man in uniform. I don't know who it is. Maybe Uncle Karl? Maybe Uncle Richard??

I don't know if police or military. Was with dads pictures so thinking was of relative in Germany..but moms gp was a policeman in St. Louis about this time also.

On the uniform is round patch with vertical and horizonital lines that cross. Something I need to try and investigate.

HPA you mentioned shut down of Nobles factory in Geesthacht?

Both GP & Uncle Karl were machinists..perhaps this contributed to depature. Have couple models of bomb/blimp looking things that were Pops. .. Rumored that in the 1940's Universal Match Comapny produced bombs for the war effort. Must habe been very difficult for Gpop's.

Barbie-Lew










Hamburg Black Chronicle, Part 9 [English]

Punctually on the weekend again, new from Hamburg's history of crime.

From another source: “The Chronicle of Hamburg, Dortmund: Harenberg 1991”
come the 18 deaths from Bloody Sunday in Altona, arising because the SA [NS Stormtroops] took a protest march through the [Red] workers quarters, specifically with 2 dead SA, 3 dead Communists and 13 uninvolved casualties [deaths]. The difference in the above-mentioned with Ebeling's Hamburg Black Chronicle, Kabel-Publishing 1980: 16 dead could not be clarified so far. It is conceivable that with Ebeling only those in the proceedings documents, from which he had worked, were counted.

The incidents for the year 1933 follow, quoted from EBELING: …

[Excerpted]

- 1933 -

Feb 24  SA [Storm Division/Stormtroops] Auxiliary Police in Harburg set up

Feb 26 Hitler Youth Otto Blöcker shot in "Falkenburg" pub in the Eppendorf quarter

Feb 28 Police Head Watchman [Guard] Kopka shot thanks to communists on Woltmann Street

Mar 07  Alfred Richter (NSDAP) becomes Police Senator [Commissar]

Mar 09  Lieutenant-Colonel Simon Chief of the Security Police

Mar 30 300 man SA-Auxiliary Police in Hamburg, at about the same time as the establishment of the notorious “Kommandos e.g. V.” [Kommandos = commands, orders, detachments, squads] [?]

Apr 02 Bomb strike on NS [National Socialist] pub "Wucherpfennig" on Barmbeker Street

May 27 Police Chief Eggerstedt, of Altona, arrested in his shooting-box at Mönchsteich by Reinfeld. He was shot dead on 12.10.1933 as a prisoner “on the run” from the concentration camp Papenburg/Ems

April  First concentration camp in Wittmoor

Jun 12  Renaming of the police quarters

Jun 30  Chief Danner and 9 other police officials dismissed

Jul 01 Execution of Gustav Koppel (in the Hauschild murder case); it was the first execution in Altona since 23.9.1915

Jul 29 Since March 1933: 2000 arrests for political reasons, 850 house searches. 500 persons were supplied to the court of justice, 650 came directly into protective custody

Aug 02 Executions for Altona's Bloody Sunday [affair]: Tesch, Lütgens, Wolff, Möller

Aug 18  SA-Auxiliary Police in Hamburg and Prussia (Altona) dissolved

Sep 20 Special court judgments because of alleged spreading of atrocity stories [propaganda] against the NS-authority [NS rule]

Oct 12 Police Chief Campe before court. Alleged abuse of service expenses. Free-verdict

Oct 23 Bruno Streckenbach becomes director of the Hamburg State Police (later: Secret State Police)

Oct 31 Explosive strike on Gauleiter [Governor/Regional Party Leader] Kaufmann at the restaurant "Zur Rennbahn"

Supplementary entry from page 237:

One week later on March 5, 1934, red posters on the advertisement pillars announce: "The habitual criminal Ernst Paul August Hannack, born on 28.8.1900 in Harburg, at the end a resident in Hamburg, was executed this morning by the axe." The death-deserving crime was no murder and robbery however, but from shots taken by pursuing police officers, the judgment a result of - and based on - a new law of the Nazis. Hannack had in 1927 tried to follow his emigrated mother to America, however nothing came of it as he could not show a certificate of good conduct [character reference] (5 years exempt from punishment [penalty-free] were demanded). Thus this [his] career continued to go…

Ebeling sees the taking over [seizure of power] by the police as a result of the Nazis likewise as crimes - as do others of this period - and conveys it logically in his list of crimes, which made this somewhat longer. The subsequent years will become somewhat shorter again.

HPA in Bienenbüttel

========

Lucky for us Herr Hannack didn't make it across the mighty pond. We certainly would have had no need of one more career criminal running loose on our streets. So in this case, power to those pursuing police officers.

These entries are for the year the National Socialists [NSDAP] took political control of Germany, after President von Hindenburg appointed Hitler Reich Chancellor in January 1933. The burning of the Reichstag (Parliament) occurred a month later on the night of February 27, 1933 in Berlin, and was to prove a pivotal event in the establishment of the Third Reich. Interesting that the day after that infamous event, the communists were still taking pot shots at the police in Hamburg [in this case policeman Kopka on the Woltmannstrasse], though needless to say this was to end soon enough. NS officials were still being targeted for bombings to boot, evidenced by two in Hamburg during 1933 alone, so they obviously didn't have their most reactionary opponents under their thumbs yet.

In early March 1933, three men were arrested who were to play starring roles during the Leipzig Trial, also known as "Reichstag Fire Trial." All three were Bulgarians: Georgi Dimitrov, Vasil Tanev and Blagoi Popov. These Bulgarians were known to the Prussian police as senior Comintern operatives, but the police had no idea how senior they were: Dimitrov was in fact head of all Comintern operations in Western Europe. The Comintern was an international Communist organization founded in 1919 by Lenin (as Chairman of the Soviet Union) to assist other communists outside their country to fight "by all available means, including armed force, for the overthrow of the international bourgeoisie, and for the creation of an international Soviet republic as a transition stage to the complete abolition of the State."

Jb

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Re: [HN] Suche Mitglied dieser Liste "Sabine Brandes"

Date: 2007/02/13 04:50:10
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

auf der Suche nach Sabine Brandes? Dann helfen dir vielleicht die folgenden Informationen und Weblinks weiter ... möglicherweise (circa 2005 wenigstens):

Sabine Brandes
Zirkenteilstrasse 12
29356 Bröckel
eMail: Sabran(a)web.de

Auf dieser privaten Homepage
http://freenet-homepage.de/Breslau-Gartenansichten/impressum.html

Mit besten Grüßen aus SoCal. Viel Glück!

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From: Nathalie Tschirner <nathalie.tschirner(a)htp-tel.de>
To: Hannover-Liste <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Suche Mitglied dieser Liste  "Sabine Brandes"
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:39:28 +0100

Guten Morgen einmal in die Runde,

ich habe im Archiv der Hannover-Liste eine alte Mail aus 2001 von Sabine
Brandes bezüglich Masberg gefunden. Nur leider ist ist ihre Mailadresse
von damals offenbar nicht mehr aktuell.

Sabine, bist du hier noch Mitglied dieser Liste? - dann würde ich mich
freuen, wenn du dich bei mir meldest.

Oder kennt jemand Sabine und hat ihre aktuelle Mailadresse? Sie hatte
damals Kontakt mit Reinhard Freytag wegen des Müllers Masberg in Peine.

Ich würd mich freuen, wenn mir jemand helfen könnte.

Lieben Gruß aus Peine und einen schönen Sonntag

Nathalie

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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC

Date: 2007/02/13 07:42:50
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Art Dohrman <art.dohrman(a)comcast.net> wrote:

Similarly, there IS a NY State census (sorry JB), conducted every ten years
on the 5th year of the decade (i.e. 1855, 1865, etc), but it's not available
on line either.

Hi Art. Oh no I'm aware of this my friend. Same as in many other states and even some territories, only with varying years. What I meant to say (but perhaps relayed in too clipped a manner) was that there isn't anything available in the NY state censuses for that period (circa 1880-1885, or any years close) for the greater Manhattan area, the area and period Armin is looking at for that elusive trickster of his.

The NY state censuses - to include -ALL- the counties statewide - have a substantial gap in their sequencing between 1875 and 1892. As it is, there is nothing really at all for New York County (Manhattan) or the adjacent areas of Bronx County (the Bronx) or Queens County (Queens) for anywhere near the time periods Armin needs, although Kings county (Brooklyn) is covered well and Richmond County (Staten Island) has one state census -- for 1875 at least. Not too promising from my vantage point ...

I'm also quite sure that few of these state census returns have been indexed appreciably yet, especially in regards to the post-1850 years, so it would be VERY slow going search-wise with the populations those areas represent. If there is something beyond this that I'm unaware of, let me know. As it is, you know NYC resources as well as anyone on the list -- so spin me right if I'm missing something.

Jb

PS. That "Moving Day" does sound crazy. The whole city, are you sure??? I could only picture the traffic jams. Holy you know what! lol

From: "Art Dohrman" <art.dohrman(a)comcast.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:07:03 -0600

Armin,
One note on NYC customs in the 1800s:

Every year on May 1st the whole city would move to a different apartment:
May 1st was "Moving Day".  Sounds crazy, but it's well documented in the
various NYC histories.

My families living in Manhattan between 1870 and 1886 were at a different
address every year: certainly in the census records, but also in the City
Directories (JB is right, those are very useful). Unfortunately to the best
of my knowledge those are not available on line: I've had to go to the NY
Public Library to view them on microfilm.

Similarly, there IS a NY State census (sorry JB), conducted every ten years
on the 5th year of the decade (i.e. 1855, 1865, etc), but it's not available
on line either.

Regards
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Re: [HN] Baller

Date: 2007/02/13 07:52:47
From: Alan und Renate Dry <alan-renatedry(a)osnanet.de>

Hallo Herr Rüther,

BALLER ist als Markkötter in Malbergen (heute Georgsmarienhütte) bereits
1651 verzeichnet.
Information entnommen aus:
"Osnabrücker genealogische Quellen Band I
Die Höfe im Fürstbistum Osnabrück Teil I
Die Ämter Iburg und Osnabrück
von Alexander Himmermann
Herausgeber: Arbeitskreis Familienforschung Osnabrück e. V.
ISBN 1619-7739"
Eine Suchanzeige im Gästebuch der OSFA könnte weitere Ergebnisse bringen.

http://www.osfa.de/

Viel Erfolg.

Grüße aus Osnabrück
Renate Dry

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To: "Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: [HN] Baller



   Hallo LIstenteilnehmer,

   an allen Namensträgern der Familie

   Baller

   vor 1750, kath., ref. und luth., habe ich Interesse.

   Über Antworten würde ich mich freuen.

     Viele Grüße

     F.- Franz Rüther
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[HN] TANGEMANN und MESTEMAKER aus Lingen nach Newark, New Jersey/USA

Date: 2007/02/13 07:55:56
From: George Meister <george.meister(a)gmx.de>

Hello Barbara,

Thanks very much for directing me to the on-line OFB for Lingen.

Unfortunately, it does not show the marriage and birth dates for the parents of

Johannes Robertus TANGEMANN *1. Aug. 1824 Lingen

nor for the parents of

Maria Elisabetha MESTEMAKER *8. Okt. 1823 Lingen.

I'll contact the author of the OFB directly, but if anyone else has the information, I'd appreciate your help.

Thanks very much.

George




Am 13.02.2007 um 01:58 schrieb hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Hello,

      Have you seen the Lingen  Ortfamilienbuch?

http://www.online-ofb.de/famlist.php?ofb=lingen&b=A&lang=de

Barbara


Ich bearbeite die KB der kath. Pfarrei St. Mary's in Newark im
Bundesstaat New Jersey, einer Gemeinde, die sich ab 1842 um
Einwanderer aus deutschen Landen kümmerte.

Zwei dieser Emigranten stammten aus Lingen in Hannover:

Johann Robert TANGEMANN *1. Aug. 1824, Sohn des Schmiedes Johann
Bernard TANGEMANN und der Maria Helena NOTTEBOHM.

Joh. Robert heiratete (wohl in USA, ca. 1851/52)

Maria Elisabeth MESTEMAKER *8. Okt. 1823 in Lingen, Tochter des
Fassbinders Johann Heinrich MESTEMAKER und der Maria Elisabeth
WILMERING.


Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC PS

Date: 2007/02/13 08:06:51
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

PS. Meant to include this with that last post of mine. Available NY state census returns for the following NYC counties between 1845-1905 (as far as I can determine):

- New York County (Manhattan) -0-
- Bronx County (The Bronx) -0-
- Queens County (Queens) -0-
- Richmond County (Staten Island) 1855, 1865, 1875
- Kings county (Brooklyn) 1855, 1865, 1875, 1892, 1905

Other outlaying areas (counties) in the state are pretty well covered, and ALL counties are picked up in the 1915 + 1925 returns.

Jb

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Re: [HN] Schatzungslisten, Einwohnerverzeichnisse/Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/13 09:21:01
From: Bernd H. Siebert <berndhsiebert(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Herr Rüther!

Es gibt eine Buchreihe "Sippschaften aus Stadt und Stift Hildesheim" in der Reihe "Ahnentafeln um 1800" erschienen. Müsste in den großen Bibliotheken vorliegen.

Gruß
Bernd


Am 12.02.2007 um 22:30 schrieb FFRMH(a)t-online.de:


   Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

welche Schatzungslisten, Einwohnerverzeichnisse o.ä. gibt es für das ehemalige Fürstbistum Hildesheim vor 1800? Die Kopfsteuerbeschreibung
   von 1664 ist mir bekannt.

     Viele Grüße

     F.- Franz Rüther

    Mülheim- Ruhr
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Re: [HN] Baller

Date: 2007/02/13 09:21:02
From: Bernd H. Siebert <berndhsiebert(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Herr Rüther!

Aus Sippschaften aus Stadt und Stift Hildesheim, Band I:

Baller, Therese, *Bönnien 1763 (Eltern: Hofbesitzer, Gastwirt und kayserlicher Posthalter Joachim Franz Baller *Bönnien 20.6.1725, +Bönnien18.8.1784, oo I. Detfurth 2.7.1755 Marie Therese Berning).

Baller, August, Hofbesitzer und Posthalter in Bönnien, *Bönnien 1795, +Bönnien 8.5.1835.

Zu beiden Personen gibt es noch weitere Informationen, die ich aber leider nicht durchschaue, weil der Text sehr unübersichtlich gestaltet ist.

Auch in Band II der Reihe sind Baller enthalten.

Gruß
Bernd

Am 12.02.2007 um 22:25 schrieb FFRMH(a)t-online.de:


   Hallo LIstenteilnehmer,

   an allen Namensträgern der Familie

   Baller

   vor 1750, kath., ref. und luth., habe ich Interesse.

   Über Antworten würde ich mich freuen.

     Viele Grüße

     F.- Franz Rüther
     Mülheim- Ruhr
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Re: [HN] Schatzungslisten, Einwohnerverzeichnisse/Hildesheim

Date: 2007/02/13 10:04:24
From: HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

   Sehr geehrter Herr Rüther, siehe "Quellen zur Bevölkerungsgeschichte
   in der Frühen Neuzeit im Nieders. Hauptstatasarchiv Hannover,
   Veröffentlichungen der Nieders. Archivverwaltung, Bd. 59, Göttingen
   2005. Als Verfasser werden genannt Günter köster, Ortrud Marose und
   Dieter Poestges. Da sehen Sie einmal welche Art von Steuerlisten und
   dergl. es gibt, alles Gute Heinrich
   -----Original Message-----
   Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:06:31 +0100
   Subject: Re: [HN] Schatzungslisten, Einwohnerverzeichnisse/Hildesheim
   From: "Bernd H. Siebert" <berndhsiebert(a)t-online.de>
   To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   Hallo Herr Rüther!
   Es gibt eine Buchreihe "Sippschaften aus Stadt und Stift Hildesheim"
   in der Reihe "Ahnentafeln um 1800" erschienen. Müsste in den großen
   Bibliotheken vorliegen.
   Gruß
   Bernd
   Am 12.02.2007 um 22:30 schrieb FFRMH(a)t-online.de:
   >
   >    Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
   >
   >    welche Schatzungslisten, Einwohnerverzeichnisse o.ä. gibt es für

   > das
   >    ehemalige Fürstbistum Hildesheim vor 1800? Die
   > Kopfsteuerbeschreibung
   >    von 1664 ist mir bekannt.
   >
   >      Viele Grüße
   >
   >      F.- Franz Rüther
   >
   >     Mülheim- Ruhr
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Re: [HN] Suche Mitglied dieser Liste "Sabine Brandes"

Date: 2007/02/13 11:18:05
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>

My buurvrouw is Sabine Brandes, and her parents come from Germany,  when I
see her I will ask if she was the person in question and if yes let you know
her new e-mail address.  This is her married name so maybe not.         Anna
Marie Schmitz
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From: "J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche Mitglied dieser Liste "Sabine Brandes"


> auf der Suche nach Sabine Brandes? Dann helfen dir vielleicht die
folgenden
> Informationen und Weblinks weiter ... möglicherweise (circa 2005
> wenigstens):
>
> Sabine Brandes
> Zirkenteilstrasse 12
> 29356 Bröckel
> eMail: Sabran(a)web.de
>
> Auf dieser privaten Homepage
> http://freenet-homepage.de/Breslau-Gartenansichten/impressum.html
>
> Mit besten Grüßen aus SoCal. Viel Glück!
>
> Jb
>
> >From: Nathalie Tschirner <nathalie.tschirner(a)htp-tel.de>
> >To: Hannover-Liste <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >Subject: [HN] Suche Mitglied dieser Liste  "Sabine Brandes"
> >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:39:28 +0100
> >
> >Guten Morgen einmal in die Runde,
> >
> >ich habe im Archiv der Hannover-Liste eine alte Mail aus 2001 von Sabine
> >Brandes bezüglich Masberg gefunden. Nur leider ist ist ihre Mailadresse
> >von damals offenbar nicht mehr aktuell.
> >
> >Sabine, bist du hier noch Mitglied dieser Liste? - dann würde ich mich
> >freuen, wenn du dich bei mir meldest.
> >
> >Oder kennt jemand Sabine und hat ihre aktuelle Mailadresse? Sie hatte
> >damals Kontakt mit Reinhard Freytag wegen des Müllers Masberg in Peine.
> >
> >Ich würd mich freuen, wenn mir jemand helfen könnte.
> >
> >Lieben Gruß aus Peine und einen schönen Sonntag
> >
> >Nathalie
>
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Re: [HN] JB

Date: 2007/02/13 11:57:26
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>

JB,    why do you e-mails have a paperclip    just like when you get a att.
I just picked out one of your e-mails but the paperclip continue in all your
e-mails    also those from Cactus Flower.   What is going on.  I know that I
am not that expericanced with computers but this does not seem right.
Greetings,    Anna Marie
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Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:36 AM


[HN] William Ellmers (Frederick Wilhelm)

Date: 2007/02/13 19:37:58
From: John Hartley <johnhartley(a)woosh.co.nz>

A sugarbaker in the 1840 Germany then went to England late 1840's.may have lived in Breman or Hanover.

Many Thanks John pp Luke Ellmers.

[HN] Hall Surname

Date: 2007/02/14 02:08:01
From: George Eckhardt <geckhardt(a)shaw.ca>

Hi List members
I was wondering if the Hall surname appears in this area.
I hit a wall after the last appearance of the name from the Krautsand peninsula in the Elbe river area 
The location of his parents on the document which is cut off suggests Lun... abt.1740
A long shot but thanks in advance
George Eckhardt Aus Canada
geckhardt(a)shaw.ca


Re: [HN] JB

Date: 2007/02/14 02:27:59
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Oh no, you're on to us Anna Marie! Ok I confess, Barbie and I have been implanting zombie bots on unsuspecting list machines for nefarious purposes. It's all part of an Amway SPAM ring, a pyramid scheme to quick riches. I told you it wouldn't work Barbie!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh! :-(

No actually, this is a fairly common occurrence. False attachment tags are sometimes generated based on settings between certain e-mail clients and anti-virus programs running in the background. This is caused by the way your email client sees the anti-virus Email Certification stating the email has been scanned.

Curious: Are you running say AVG + OE?

In a nutshell, you need to turn off (disable) e-mail scanning if you are using an Anti-Virus agent (e.g. like AVG 7 or above) with say Outlook Express. Will this compromise your PC security? Not at all, as you will still be covered by the main part of the program. I'll provide a link here that explains why you don't need e-mail scanning as such. It's from Norton, but it applies to ALL anti-virus programs:

http://snipurl.com/bmf6

A bit more for anyone curious:

Though the industry standard states that it should show the certification as part of the e-mail body at the bottom of the e-mail, not all e-mail clients do it that way. Some will, some won't. So you can either live with this or turn it off. To use AVG Anti-virus as an example of what to change, since it comes up in that A-V program a lot:

- Open AVG CONTROL CENTER
- Right-click E-Mail Scanner > Properties > Plugins tab
- Click Configure button
- Uncheck 'Certify mail'

-or-

- Open AVG CONTROL CENTER
- Control Center > Email Scanner> Configure
- Put a check in: 'With attachments only'

Many folks think "certify" means to check the e-mail for viruses. All it means in reality is "add a message to the e-mail saying that it was checked for viruses". The default configuration of the AVG Email Scanner, for example, is to check and certify both incoming and outgoing mail. For some odd reason, the certification then appears as an attachment even though it appears at the bottom of the email body as it should. So either configure the Email Scanner to check - but not certify - your e-mails, =OR= disable e-mail scanning all together since it often causes other problems too!

One other thing: If you have elected to read all e-mails as plain text in your email client (program), then any messages you receive that have been formatted as HTML will have the HTML content included as an attachment also.

Hope this helps. Jb

PS. Now leave Barbie and me alone on our next "project". ;)


From: "Brouwers" <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] JB
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:59:10 +0100

JB, why do you e-mails have a paperclip just like when you get a att.
I just picked out one of your e-mails but the paperclip continue in all your
e-mails also those from Cactus Flower.  What is going on.  I know that I
am not that expericanced with computers but this does not seem right.
Greetings,    Anna Marie

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Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg - Barbie

Date: 2007/02/14 03:17:43
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

I wonder if there is anyway to discover political associiation cirrca 1920's?

There is a photo marked 1927 of a man in uniform. I don't know who it is. Maybe Uncle Karl? Maybe Uncle Richard??

Barbie, perhaps you could scan and upload that picture on a free image hosting server? We could then take a look. There are lots of folks who will recognize different uniforms on both sides of the pond (although there's no guarantee implied).

http://imageshack.us/

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Note: The image browser window is not a connection between your computer and ImageShack, it is an entirely local device that allows you to browse for images.

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There are other such image host services out there, I'm just using ImageShack as one example. These services are all free. Some require you sign up for a (free) account. Others require nothing at all :: just browse the image file + upload it!

Some good ones I've used before:
http://www.tinypic.com/
http://www.PictureUpload.de/
http://www.duckyshack.co.uk/
http://photobucket.com/

Jb


From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg, 9.Teil
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:56:56 -0600

Dear HPA & JB,

HPA, a note of thanks and appreciation for taking the time to document data from Schwarze Chronik of Hamburg.

JB, Enjoy the historical commentary, opinions and appricate the translations.

Is food for thought, as my own ancestors lived in the area of Bergedorf , GU Richard until 1930, and Geesthacht, GU Karl until 1928, as well as a visit to the area in 1932 made by GP'S.

I wonder if there is anyway to discover political associiation cirrca 1920's?

There is a photo marked 1927 of a man in uniform. I don't know who it is. Maybe Uncle Karl? Maybe Uncle Richard??

I don't know if police or military. Was with dads pictures so thinking was of relative in Germany..but moms gp was a policeman in St. Louis about this time also.

On the uniform is round patch with vertical and horizonital lines that cross. Something I need to try and investigate.

HPA you mentioned shut down of Nobles factory in Geesthacht?

Both GP & Uncle Karl were machinists..perhaps this contributed to depature. Have couple models of bomb/blimp looking things that were Pops. .. Rumored that in the 1940's Universal Match Comapny produced bombs for the war effort. Must habe been very difficult for Gpop's.

Barbie-Lew

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Re: [HN] Siebum

Date: 2007/02/14 08:38:42
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Nancy,

One of moms cousins married a Siebum in St. Louis, MIssouri. HIs name was Richard Siebum. He died in 2001. I haven't really ecplored Siebum family in MIssouri as my relation to the children of Rich Siebum are fairly distant (2nd cousins 1 time removed).

Funny coincidence.
Meyer/Meyers appears in reacords of suspected family as well as Tobben.

Barbie-Lew





I am seeking information on the family of Hermann Siebum b 1858 and spouse Margarethe Meyers. Hope you can help. Thanks, nancy thoben
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[HN] Brinkmann/ Brennecke

Date: 2007/02/14 15:31:30
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach ihren Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Catharina Juliane BRINKMANN * um 1709, + 26-11-1781 in Sebexen
Ehemann: Johann Heinrich BRENNECKE * 17-4-1716 in Willensen/Düderode, + 12-8-1794 in Düderode , dort** 15-8-1794
seine Eltern: Andreas Brennecke und Anna Margaret Nienstedt
Kinder: Johann Andreas, Hans Heinrich,Heinrich Christoph, Johann George Friedrich,, Johann Heinrich ,Hanne Justine Friderike, Dorothea Friederika.

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
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Re: [HN] Hall Surname

Date: 2007/02/14 18:50:42
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello George,

    I would guess the town would be Lüneburg- -it is not far from the Elbe
river. That is just a guess  - there are other towns beginning with Lün or
Lun. Krautsand is farther north and west of Lüneburg. The LDS has several
microfilm of Lüneburg.

   There is also a Lauenburg right on the river.
Barbara 



 Hi List members
> I was wondering if the Hall surname appears in this area.
> I hit a wall after the last appearance of the name from the Krautsand
> peninsula in the Elbe river area
> The location of his parents on the document which is cut off suggests Lun...
> abt.1740
> A long shot but thanks in advance
> George Eckhardt Aus Canada
> geckhardt(a)shaw.ca
> 
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Re: [HN] Baller

Date: 2007/02/14 23:24:44
From: bmspeckman <bmspeckman(a)aol.com>

Hallo Franz,
 
I will send you information (two word files) directly on Ballers in my family tree.
 
Barney Speckman 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: FFRMH(a)t-online.de
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Sent: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: [HN] Baller



   Hallo LIstenteilnehmer,

   an allen Namensträgern der Familie

   Baller

   vor 1750, kath., ref. und luth., habe ich Interesse.

   Über Antworten würde ich mich freuen.

     Viele Grüße

     F.- Franz Rüther
     Mülheim- Ruhr
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC

Date: 2007/02/15 03:00:38
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>

 
May 1 was moving day in New York, because most leases expired then.
By city law, all renters had to be out of their old house by 9 AM and into
the new one by noon. Streets were crammed with carts on the busiest day
of the year. People were leaving Manhattan for places like “Brooklyn, Williamsburg,
Jersey City, and Hoboken … owing to the enormous increase of rent and the
taxation, that is heavy, like a millstone around the necks of New Yorkers.”
Founded in 1848, the Tenant League agitated for more flexible leases because
the universal May 1 expiration served as an excuse for landlords to raise
rents annually. Bobbi --- On Tue 02/13, J b &lt; johnbrene(a)hotmail.com &gt; wrote:From: J b [mailto: johnbrene(a)hotmail.com]To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.netDate: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:42:37 -0800Subject: Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYCPS. That &quot;Moving Day&quot; does sound crazy. The whole city, are you sure??? I could only picture the traffic jams. Holy you know what! lol

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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC

Date: 2007/02/15 03:25:39
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

That is wild. But it validates what Art stated earlier (and I've heard hints of before, but wondered if indeed true). Just seems hard to fathom, in the largest city in the USA! Then again, what's the old saying: "Only in New York!"

Nice synopsis Bobbi.

Jb

From: "bobbidoll" <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:00:37 -0500 (EST)

May 1 was moving day in New York, because most leases expired then.
By city law, all renters had to be out of their old house by 9 AM and into
the new one by noon. Streets were crammed with carts on the busiest day
of the year. People were leaving Manhattan for places like “Brooklyn, Williamsburg,
Jersey City, and Hoboken … owing to the enormous increase of rent and the
taxation, that is heavy, like a millstone around the necks of New Yorkers.”
Founded in 1848, the Tenant League agitated for more flexible leases because
the universal May 1 expiration served as an excuse for landlords to raise
rents annually. Bobbi

--- On Tue 02/13, J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
From: J b [mailto: johnbrene(a)hotmail.com]
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:42:37 -0800
Subject: Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYCPS.

That "Moving Day" does sound crazy. The whole city, are you sure??? I could only
picture the traffic jams. Holy you know what! lol

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Re: [HN] Hall Surname

Date: 2007/02/15 12:19:36
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Hello George,
 
you remember our exchange of mails in 2001 concerning your ancestors in  
Assel and Krautsand. 
 
I am very sorry for not having given you at that time any explanation of  the 
place from where Thomas Martensen Hall had come from.
 
The entry of the church book of Krautsand is saying in this respect:
quote in dem Flecken Lün... (or Liin.. ) in  Schonen...unquote
Unfotunately, the name of the location is cut off in the church  book. 
 
Schonen is the German name of the Swedish province called in Swedish  
"Skane". Its capital is Malmoe.  The meaning of "Flecken" is a small  town.
 
It is quite sure that your ancestors Thomas Martensen Hall was a Swedish  
citizen . His second Christian name is "Martensen" and the Christian  name of his 
father "Marten". The meaning of Martensen is son of Marten.  This type of 
naming was a Scandinavian one and not a German one.
 
I would recomend you to concentrate yor further searching for the Hall  
family in the Swedish providence Skane. The name of the place might also begin  
"Ljun...." For example, I found the small town "Ljungby" in Skane in my  map.
By the way, Krautsand was a real island and has become now-a-days a  
peninsula.
 
Good luck for your further searching!
 
best regards,
 
Albin von Spreckelsen
 

Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Bobbi)

Date: 2007/02/15 12:35:23
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 15.02.2007 12:17:24 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

People  were leaving Manhattan for places like ?Brooklyn, Williamsburg,
Jersey  City, and Hoboken ?


Hi Bobbi
 
Thank you for your mail, but this is a real horror now for me! I have  
beginning to check the 1880 census Manhattan, maybe i am through with it next  
christmas, or 2008 ...... but if they have really moved to Brooklyn uff,  than i 
have to check the complete Brooklyn census too and Jersey my god  !!!
 
Ok i have been sending a request for the pension files of George E. Hattorf  
hoping i find a hint in his papers if he was really married or not.
 
Armin
 

Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Bobbi)

Date: 2007/02/16 03:57:31
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear George,

All found data George Hattorf -

Voter Registration 1880
Fourtheenth assembly district,  8 election district, 362 enumeration.
3RD Avenue House Number 115 George E. Hattorf and in  another apartement
Elisha van Brunt.

---------
City Directory
1 May 1892
Hattorf, Geo. E., bisque, 71 W. 3rd, home 242  7th

1 Jul 1893
Hattorf, Geo. E., bisque, 71 W. 3rd
----------------------
1900 NY Federal Census with Hattorf Family..
George E. born 1847 - Born New York- salesman
Jennie? born 1849 - Germany - housewife - gives 1870 to U.S. /30 years in U.S...
George??/Henry????? (hard to read)- watchmaker - born 1877
August - plate printer -born 1879
Fredrich - Porter - born 1882
Gives name of street as WestThrid Street****, Manhattan Boro, New York City, New York

-----
Common idata is reference to street name as 3rd.

Third Ave. 1880
West Third 1892. 1893 & 1900.

What is meant by bisque in the city directory data?

Do you know wife Jennie's surname?  Could it haave been Van Brunt?

1880
Jennie Van Brunt?? Born 1849
Census Place New York, New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, New York
Family History Library Film 1254894
NA Film Number T9-0894
Page Number 200A

I will try to find hard copy of this Jennie Van Brunt at Heritage Quest..

------

Now...

At this site:
http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Ward/1880NYC.4.html

Is info on enumeration districts for Manhattan.

The site says:
ENUMERATION DISTRICT # 364 thru # 373 ARE MISSING!!

George should be found in District #362 according to voter registration though..but if he moved over a bit..could be that pages with his data were lost :( Perhaps finding the Van Brunt will help...

Will check out if there is difference betwwn 3rd Ave... and West 3rd...

Barbie-Lew

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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Barbie-Lew)

Date: 2007/02/16 12:40:19
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 16.02.2007 12:25:20 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Re: [HN]  George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC 


Hi Barbie-Lew
 
Thats exactly the problem i have no 100 percent proof cause in the 1900  
census he is called only George not George E. and the date of birth ok, two  years 
difference thats not so bad. He has married 1874 so she can not be Van  Brunt 
in 1900. And i have no idea about her maidenname.
 
Perhaps i find something in the pension files. If is see there, that he was  
never married he can not be the same George Hattorf who is in the 1900 census. 
 So i have to wait a little.
 
They have same districts with no number maybe that these are the lost files  
i will go on searching those districts tonight.
 
Thank you all 
 
Armin

Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Bobbi)

Date: 2007/02/16 16:51:40
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>

 
Hi Barbie-Lew,Third Avenue runs North &amp; South, West 3rd Street runs East &amp; West.Parts of both of these streets were in Klein Deutschland (Little Germany.) The bisque in the city directory may refer to bisque pottery, a fired piece of unglazed clay.That might be the business he was in.Bobbi --- On Thu 02/15, Cactus Flower &lt; barbie8674(a)hotmail.com &gt; wrote:What is meant by bisque in the city directory data?Will check out if there is difference betwwn 3rd Ave... and West 3rd...

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[HN] Ernst/Hillebrecht

Date: 2007/02/16 17:04:07
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Hans ERNST * um 1570
Ehefrau: Catharina HILLEBRECHT * um 1575 verm in Sebexen, + 10-7-1669 in Sebexen
Kind:  NN ERNST * um 1620 in Sebexen, + 12-6-1699 in Sebexen

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
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[HN] Garbe,Friedrich geb. 15.05.1870

Date: 2007/02/16 17:33:42
From: susanneromeike <susanneromeike(a)aol.com>

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,
nun habe ich auch den Geburtsort gefunden: Salzhemmendorf.
Die Mutter war eine geborene Blume.
Kann mir jemand näheres berichten?
Ich bedanke mich schon jetzt
 
Allen ein schönes Wochenende
Gruß
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[HN] Schwarze Chronik Hamburg 12.Teil, GIESCHE N, HERZ, MAACK, SCHABLIN, SPRINGER, KOKOT , HÖHNE, ANDRÈ, SCHULZ, OTTO, SCHWART Z, MADUSCHKE

Date: 2007/02/16 20:19:06
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

aus: EBELING, Helmut: Schwarze Chronik einer Weltstadt. Hamburger Kriminalgeschichte 1919 bis 1945, Hamburg: Kabel 1980(1967)

"... 1936 ...

 5. 2.36 Doppelmord an Mutter und Tante (Wiebke GIESCHEN, Amanda HERZ), Hinter der Markthalle 2 (beim Thalia-Theater); Täter: H.MAACK

 8. 2.36 Einbrecher A.SCHABLIN in Klein-Flottek auf der Flucht erschossen.

 1. 4.36 Revier-Oberwm. SPRINGER von einem Einbrecher im Sievekingweg, Gr. Flottbek, erschossen; Täter: F.KOKOT (Verübte nach Geständnis Selbstmord).

19. 4.36 Raubmord an Richard HÖHNE, Marcusstr. 78

 4. 5.36 Beginn des Prozesses gegen den Führer des Rotfrontkämpferbundes, Bezirk Wasserkante, Edgar ANDRÈ. Todesurteil 10.7.36 (Hinrichtung 4.11.36)

 4. 6.36 Mord an Eisenbahner SCHULZ und Tochter, Veringstr.; Täter: Georg OTTO: Proz. 18.12.36

10. 8.36 Prozeß gegen Gebrüder SCHWARTZ, Devisenvergehen

11.11.36 Leichenfund im Keller des Hauses beim Strohhause 33. Raubmord an Klempnermeister August MADUSCHKE. Ungeklärt. ..."

mitgeteilt von

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

[HN] Nehrkorn Family from Germany & Denmark

Date: 2007/02/16 21:10:40
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[Forwarded message on behalf of "Tony Nehrkorn"
<anehrkorn1(a)wi.rr.com>]

Hello,
Looking for any imformation about Nehrkorn's. My gr-gr-great
Grandfather
Carl August Christian Nehrkorn left Braunschweig area in 1850's to
Denmark.
Trying to trace his parents etc.  Thansk AN

[HN] Hattdorf in NYC

Date: 2007/02/17 04:12:00
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Barbie-Lew:  There is a huge difference between streets and avenues in NYC.  The avenues all run north and south, most of them the whole length of Manhattan Island.  The numbered streets run east and west across the island; Fifth Avenue is the dividing line between East and West of the same street.  From an ex-patriate New Yorker.    Jane


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[HN] Marutt

Date: 2007/02/17 04:16:19
From: val <topaz171(a)shaw.ca>

Hello, I am looking for any information regarding Franz Karl Marutt. He was born in Heinrichsdorf, Krs. Bartenstein in 1912. He married my mother Anna Schmidt in Hannover 27.1.1934. We emigrated to Canada in 1952. I have not been able to find any information regarding their parents. Anything would help. Thanks, Val

Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Barbie-Lew)

Date: 2007/02/17 06:31:03
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Armin,

May have found a clue on Hattorf..... in case you haven't stumbled upon it.

Located:  http://www.italiangen.org/default.htm

New York Death Index

Hatoff Jennie 70 y Aug 13 1930 19405 Manhattan H310 (Jennie Hattorf???)

Some other possibilities...

Holtorf George 65 y Aug 13 1917 24616 Manhattan H436 (Birth year 1852???) Hattorff Frederick 56 y Sept 11 1910 27980 Manhattan H361 (Relative?)
Hattorff  Pauline  73 y  Dec  4  1935  25465  Manhattan  H361  (Relative?)

Is possible to fool around with index by using the wildcard option.. I thought ^ results closest to your search.... Try fooling around with the index.

Barbie-Lew

P.S.  Census Source Data

HATTORF, GEORGE   (1900 U.S. Census)
NEW YORK , NEW YORK, MANHATTAN BORO
Age: 53, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NY
Series: T623 Roll: 1082 Page: 147

NOTE - have .pdf of this page - Does indicate 26 yrs in current marriage which would be 1874.

Also noticed a:

HATTORF, LOUSA   (1900 U.S. Census)
CONNECTICUT , NEW HAVEN, 9-WD NEW HAVEN
Age: 15, Female, Race: WHITE, Born: CT
Series: T623 Roll: 146 Page: 227

Head J-ulia Eston? Eaton? Age - 25 - Married - Husband not listed - No Occupation
Sister Adelaide? - Age 11 - single - In School
Sister Louisa (Source) -Age 15 - single - In School
All three   born CT.
Father born NY.
Mother born Germany

Could they be related to your George Hattorf family? Perhaps George and Jenny have a home/family in CT. also?? Interesting parents birth place data..

B





In einer eMail vom 16.02.2007 12:25:20 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Re: [HN]  George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC


Hi Barbie-Lew

Thats exactly the problem i have no 100 percent proof cause in the 1900
census he is called only George not George E. and the date of birth ok, two years difference thats not so bad. He has married 1874 so she can not be Van Brunt
in 1900. And i have no idea about her maidenname.

Perhaps i find something in the pension files. If is see there, that he was
never married he can not be the same George Hattorf who is in the 1900 census.
 So i have to wait a little.

They have same districts with no number maybe that these are the lost files
i will go on searching those districts tonight.

Thank you all

Armin
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Barbie-Lew)

Date: 2007/02/17 10:29:10
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Armin,

You wrote ....

He has married 1874 so she can not be Van Brunt in 1900. And i have no idea about her maidenname.

You had found....
1880 Voter registration data discovered
3RD Avenue House Number 115 George E. Hattorf and in  another apartement
Elisha van Brunt.

Got me thinking that maybe the census taker assumed Jennie Hattorf was called Jennie Van Brunt when he enumerated 3RD Ave in 1880.

Meybe Jennie was visiting the neighbor, or Jennie was a relative of Elisha.

Sort of a pecurliar coincidence a Jennie Van Brunt born 1849 in Mahattan per familysearch.org online 1880 census data... an Elisha Van Brunt same apartment building as George per voter registration.. and 1900 Hattorf data the wife is called Jennie and is also listed with birth year of 1849..

My thought process may not have been working right..lol.

She would not have been called Van Brunt in 1880... but perhaps an assumption was made..

Does that make sense?

Barbie-lew

jennie Van Brunt?? Born 1849 - SOURCE DATA..
Census Place New York, New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater, New York
Family History Library Film 1254894
NA Film Number T9-0894
Page Number 200A
*NOTE 1880 CENSUS

Perhaps actual death certificate exists in reference to :

Hatoff  Jennie  70 y  Aug  13  1930  19405  Manhattan  H310

Obtaining that might just clear up a few  questions... or leave more..lol :)

Hi Barbie-Lew

Thats exactly the problem i have no 100 percent proof cause in the 1900
census he is called only George not George E. and the date of birth ok, two years difference thats not so bad. He has married 1874 so she can not be Van Brunt
in 1900. And i have no idea about her maidenname.

Perhaps i find something in the pension files. If is see there, that he was
never married he can not be the same George Hattorf who is in the 1900 census.
 So i have to wait a little.

They have same districts with no number maybe that these are the lost files
i will go on searching those districts tonight.

Thank you all

Armin
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Re: [HN] George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Barbie-Lew)

Date: 2007/02/17 11:14:28
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 17.02.2007 10:30:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

George  E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC (Barbie-Lew)



Hi Barbie-Lew
 
Well done your researches, ok i will give you some answers on what you have  
found
 
Yes i now that italian page about Manhattan.
 
But i didnt saw Jennie Hatoff ........................ one point for you  
!!!! lol. Yes indeed this could be intersting i will check that person.
 
We can be sure that Hattorf or Hattorff is misspelled, but beware there are  
real Hattoff in NY ! Most of them coming from Russia, but the names are very  
similar so you find Hattorffs misspelled as Hattoff and Hattoff misspelled as  
Hattorff a good resource for me.
 
Hattorff Frederick and Hattorff Pauline are a couple they have been living  
Van Corlear Place over years not moving around !!!!!!! he must have had a lot 
of  money he made minimum 6 trips back to Germany they had three daughter 
Pauline,  May and Elsa. Sometimes he used the name John F. Hattorff.
 
And there is another one in that italian site you didnt saw, cause you need  
more datas to find him.
 
Hattoff, Frederick A, 43 years died 21 July 1916 Manhattan H 310
 
That would mean he is born about 1873 and there is a Frederick A. Hattorff  
born 1874 in Connecticut ( the brother of Julia Hattorf you found) son of  
Frederick J. Hattorff who is brother to George E. Hattorf both are sons of  
Frederick A. Hattorf, lol, okay its getting mixed now, difficult to understand.  I 
will send you a "light version of the american tree", that you can see the  
coherences, to your private mail adress.
 
 Ok now Julia Eaton (nee Hattorf) divorced is head of household,  with two 
Hattorf sisters Louisa and Adele the rest of the Hattorf family  living in 1880 
in CT New Haven New Haven you see the original family in the 1880  census CT 
misspelled as Fred J. Haltorf with all the kids (Frederick is the  brother of 
George Edward) I have Frederick J. Hattorf in the city directory of  New Haven 
its the correct one, so he is misspelled at ancestry.com.
 
By the way i need some help in CT too, if someone has a link for me please.  
I would need the death of Frederick J. Hattorf  (about 1895) and the  possible 
marriage of his son frederick A. Hattorff (misspelled surely as  Hattoff) 
with a certain Mary N. she is in the city directory too.
 
Thank you very much Barbie-Lew for all your ideas, ok then i will send you  
the tree now
 
Armin
 
 
 

[HN] Deutsches Kontor Bergen/Norwegen 1718

Date: 2007/02/17 15:21:56
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listen-Leser,
 
Das fleissige Digitalarchiv in Bergen/Norwegen hat gerade 
von Herrn Tore Vigerust einen ausfuehrlichen Bericht von
1718 zum obigen Thema bekommen. 
Er ist (AUF DEUTSCH !) nachzulesen unter:

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/DA/12011718BeretningomKontoret.htm

Gruss zum Wochenende  

Falk Liebezeit
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Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Februar 2007 17:03
An: hannover liste1; famnord(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Ernst/Hillebrecht

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Hans ERNST * um 1570
Ehefrau: Catharina HILLEBRECHT * um 1575 verm in Sebexen, + 10-7-1669 in
Sebexen
Kind:  NN ERNST * um 1620 in Sebexen, + 12-6-1699 in Sebexen

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
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Re: [HN] Nehrkorn Family from Germany & Denmark

Date: 2007/02/17 19:15:36
From: Achim Kortum <Joachim.Kortum(a)t-online.de>

Moin, moin Ann 
in Braunschweig lebte 1835 Nehrkorn, J.C.J, Opfermann zu St. Magni, Magnikirchhof 2368.
Viele Grüße 
Achim 
Joachim Kortum
Rotenbeek 33
24211 Postfeld
Tel. 4342-83511
www.joachim-kortum.de

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> 
> Hello,
> Looking for any imformation about Nehrkorn's. My gr-gr-great
> Grandfather
> Carl August Christian Nehrkorn left Braunschweig area in 1850's to
> Denmark.
> Trying to trace his parents etc.  Thansk AN
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[HN] LIPPELGOES

Date: 2007/02/17 19:25:07
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)t-online.de>




Hallo Liste,

wer hat in seiner AL. den Namen: LIPPELGOES ???
Auch andere Schreibweisen sind möglich: LIPPELGANS,LIPPELGAUS und LIPPELGOOS
wären möglich.
Der erste KB.-Eintrag in Salzgitter war 1718

Die Familiem gehörte zu den Wandermusikanten von Salzgitter. Später nannten sie sich Klessmer-Musikanten und musizierten in der ganzen Welt. Es könnten auch Juden gewesen sein, die ihren Namen geändert haben.Wer kann mir weiter helfen. ????

Freundliche Grüße
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[HN] VERWOHL

Date: 2007/02/17 19:26:20
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)t-online.de>










Hallo Liste,

wer forscht im Weserbergland im Umkreis von Holenberg / Golmbach ( Holzminden )
nach der Familie VERWOHL. Die letzten Eintragungen im Kirchbuch der
ev.Klosterkirche Amelungsborn.

                       VERWOHL Heinrich Friedrich     *  wann und wo ??
                                                      +  wann und wo

                       oo 11.11.1800 in der Klosterkirche Amelungsborn


RITTERBUSCH Justine Wilhelmine Johanne * wann und wo ?? + wann und wo

Danach verliert sich die Spur. Sollte im Umkreis von Holenberg - Golmbach
usw. forschen, bitte ich, wenns möglich ist, auf den Namen Verwohl ( es
gibt auch andere Schreibweisen ) sowie auf Ritterbusch zu achten. Vielleicht
habe ich ja Glück.

Mit freundlichem Gruß aus dem Harzvorland
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[HN] KUNZE

Date: 2007/02/17 19:27:06
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)t-online.de>










Hallo Liste,

wer forscht im Weserbergland ??? im Umkreis von Brökeln ( Bodenwerder )
nach der Familie KUNZE. Der letzte Eintrag im Kirchbuch der ev.Kirchengemeinde
Brökeln ist von 1799.

                    KUNZE Friedrich Anton Heinrich   *  07.03.1799  Brökeln
                                                     +  wann und wo  ???

                    oo wann und wo ???

Ehefrau. ???

Danach habe ich keine gesicherten Daten aus Brökeln mehr. Sollte jemand in den
ev.luth. + kath.Kirchengemeinden forschen, bitte ich, wenn es möglich ist,
auf den Namen KUNZE zu achten. Vielleicht habe ich ja etwas Glück.

Mit freundlichem Gruß
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[HN] GEHRKE

Date: 2007/02/17 19:28:15
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)t-online.de>










Hallo Liste,

wer hat den Namen GEHRKE aus Alt-Wallmoden-Goslar in seiner Ahnenliste ???

GEHRKE / GERICKE Heinrich Conrad * 11.04.1784 Alt-Wallmoden
                                                  + wann und wo  ???

                            oo  wann und wo ???


BÜLTEMANN Johanna Marie Sophie Eleonore           * 21.04.1788  in Haverlah
                                                  + wann und wo ??


Ferner suche ich die Eltern von oben genannten Personen.


Mit freundlichem Gruß
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Re: [HN] GEHRKE

Date: 2007/02/17 19:46:30
From: bob marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

I have Gerke's from Ft Wayne Indiana area in my line----Bob Marhenke
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:27:35 +0100 "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)t-online.de>
writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hallo Liste,
> 
> wer hat den Namen GEHRKE aus Alt-Wallmoden-Goslar in seiner 
> Ahnenliste ???
> 
> GEHRKE / GERICKE    Heinrich Conrad                * 11.04.1784 
> Alt-Wallmoden
>                                                    + wann und wo  
> ???
> 
>                              oo  wann und wo ???
> 
> 
> BÜLTEMANN Johanna Marie Sophie Eleonore           * 21.04.1788  in 
> Haverlah
>                                                    + wann und wo ??
> 
> 
> Ferner suche ich die Eltern von oben genannten Personen.
> 
> 
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[HN] Familien Pagendarm

Date: 2007/02/17 21:10:54
From: H.J.-Pagendarm <hpagendarm(a)web.de>

Hallo zusammen,

ich bin neu in dieser Liste und möchte mich kurz vorstellen :

Mein Name ist Hans-Jürgen (Pagendarm) geboren in Beverungen (bei Höxter) und wohne nun seit über 20 Jahren in Oberbayern.
Vor ca. 10 Jahren habe ich mit der Erforschung meiner Ahnen hauptsächlich in Beverungen begonnen und verfolge nun meine
Linie in den Bereich Hannover / Niedersachsen.

Hier suche ich alle Personen mit dem Namen Pagendarm, wobei der Geburtsort keine Rolle spielt.
Es ist eine Pagendarm Linie die sich von Wiedenbrück über den Grossraum Seesen nach Braunschweig zieht.

Ich würde mich über jeden noch so kleinen Hinweis freuen.


Mit freundlichen Grüssen 

Hans-Jürgen
(Pagendarm)
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[HN] ERNST / HILLBRECHT

Date: 2007/02/18 13:03:28
From: Klaus Friedrichs <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Herr Mispelhorn,

leider habe ich Ihre Meldung und Suche in den Papierkorb verschoben.

Können Sie mich bilateral anschreiben?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Klaus Friedrichs

Re: [HN] GEHRKE

Date: 2007/02/18 15:46:36
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

My step-granddaughter married a Gherke in Dallas, TX area about 15 years
ago.  Possible connection?

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Subject: Re: [HN] GEHRKE

I have Gerke's from Ft Wayne Indiana area in my line----Bob Marhenke




[HN] Nuehring, Warnholtz, Bierman, etc.

Date: 2007/02/18 15:56:25
From: Georgia Bruns <georgianuehring(a)hotmail.com>

Listers,

I do not mean to upset anyone.  I have a very serious medical problem.
I know there are people on this list that have helped me and shared information with me and I with them..   Of course when I am not active on the list I am usually adding to my file.  If any of my wonderful friends here need any information I may have to help them, it is of the utmost importance that they contact me and I will send them what I have while I am able. 

Please excuse the computer translation

Sincerely 
Georgia Bruns
Listers,

Ich bedeute nicht, irgendjemand umzustürzen. Ich habe ein sehr ernstes medizinisches Problem. Ich weiß, dass es Leute auf dieser Liste gibt, die hat geholfen mir und Informationen mit mir und ich mit ihnen geteilt hat. Selbstverständlich, wenn ich bin nicht tätig auf der Liste ich gewöhnlich meiner Akte hinzufüge. Wenn irgendein von meinen wunderbaren Freunden hier irgendeine Informationen braucht, die ich ihnen kann helfen müssen, ist es von der äußersten Wichtigkeit die sie kontaktieren mich und ich werde sie schicken, was ich habe, während ich kann. 

Bitte entschuldigen Sie die Computerübersetzung

Aufrichtig Georgia Bruns

Listers, Ich bedeute nicht, niemand umzukippen. Ich habe ein sehr ernstes medizinisches Problem. Ich weiß, daß es Leute auf dieser Liste gibt, die mir und geteilten Informationen mit mir und I mit ihnen geholfen haben. Selbstverständlich, wenn ich nicht auf der Liste ich aktiv bin, fügen normalerweise meiner Akte hinzu. Wenn irgendwelche meiner wundervollen Freunde hier irgendwelche Informationen benötigen, die ich ihnen helfen müssen kann, ist es von größter Wichtigkeit, daß sie mit mir in Verbindung treten und ich sende sie, was ich habe, während ich in der LageBIN. Entschuldigen Sie bitte die maschinelle Übersetzung Herzlichst Georgia Bruns

Re: [HN] Hall Surname

Date: 2007/02/18 16:09:38
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Hello Mr. George Eckardt,

there are more places starting with "LUN..." or "LÜN..." than Lüneburg. I checked all of them in the telephone directory from 1998 for ocurrencies of your HALL name. There were only few hits, so I gave you also variations which might be related. What can be said in genaral is, that the name HALL is more spread south of the Region Lower Saxony starting perhaps with an East-West-line through the Harz mountains and it is almost the same with the derived HALLMANN name. There is an exception for Hamburg, where you will find in 1998 about 22 memebers of the greater HALL family. It follows a list of the hits between place name "LUN... and LÜN..." and the persons name starting "HALL..". 1740 is of course a long shot back, but perhaps the family name survived at the place. As lots of the places starting with "Lun.." have vanished into greater places with other names, the list might be of help in point of that also.

There were only two complete hits in Lunstedt near Merseburg and Lünzum part of Haltern, but I would consider also of the HALLE names as a good nearby chance. another way might be, to get more informations of the Hamburg HALL families by giving all of them a few lines by  snail mail and the adresses out of www.telefonbuch.de. By the way in Krautsand, belonging nowadays to Drochtersen, the name HALL did not survive.

27612 Luneplate : HALLMANN, K. (sto), Fasanenstr. 2,27612 Loxstedt, Tel. 04744 6982

27612 Luneplate : HALLMANN, Marco (sto), Fregattenstr.12, 27612 Loxstedt, Tel. 04744 6307

39291 Lungenklinik Lostau: HALLMANN, Horst (Lostau), Möserstr. 1, Tel 039222-2647

01731 Lungwitz: HALLFARTH Horst, Hdl.Vertr., Bergfrieden 2, 01731 Kreischa, tel.035206 22282

88287 Lungsee : HALLER, Karl Gommetsweiler, 88287 Grünkraut, Tel.0751 62361

16248 Lunow :HAHLWEG, Ingrid, Alexandervon Humboldtstr.8, 16248 Lüdersdorf, Tel 033365 212102

27321 Lunsen : HALLERBERG, Peter u...., Hägerstr. 80, 27321 Thedinghausen, Tel. 04204 69021

06242 Lunstädt = Roßbach b. Mersenurg: HALL, Hildegrad van, Seestr. 22, Tel. 06242 21469

06242 Lunstädt = Roßbach b. Merseburg: HALLE, Diana, Str. des Friedens 34, 06242 Braunsbedra, Tel. 034633 21511 

93242 Lunz = Roding (Oberpf): four different entries HALLER

28865 Lüninghausen (Lüningsee) = Lilienthal: four entries "von HALLE", one HALLERSTEDE, 12 HALTERMANN

37647 Lüningsburg = Polle(Oberweser) HALLE, Waltraut, Burgstr. 8, 37647 Polle, Tel. 05535 8581
18239 Lüningshagen: two different HALLIER

25350 Lüningshof = Horst(Holstein) : four different HALLMANN

48480 Lünne : HALE, Gabriele ... Waldstr. 12, 48480 Lünne, Tel. 05906 2417

48691 Lünten = Vreden : four different HALLEK

45721 Lünzum = Haltern (Westf.): HALL J. Ing. WerksLtr., Heitken 8, 45721 Haltern, Tel. 02364 -6990 -69 und HALL, Jakob, Heitken 8, 45721 Haltern, Tel. 02364 68804; also given: HALLAS, HALLAY, HALLEN, HALLER, HALLMANN

21335 to 21339 Lüneburg: three HALLENSLEBEN, one HALLER, one HALLHUBER, four HALLIES, 2 HALLMANN, one HALLUNG entry.

Best wishes and good luck to your researches

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

...

"R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
> Hello George,
> 
>     I would guess the town would be Lüneburg- -it is not far from the Elbe
> river. That is just a guess  - there are other towns beginning with Lün or
> Lun. Krautsand is farther north and west of Lüneburg. The LDS has several
> microfilm of Lüneburg.
> 
>    There is also a Lauenburg right on the river.
> Barbara 
> 
> 
> 
>  Hi List members
> > I was wondering if the Hall surname appears in this area.
> > I hit a wall after the last appearance of the name from the Krautsand
> > peninsula in the Elbe river area
> > The location of his parents on the document which is cut off suggests Lun...
> > abt.1740
> > A long shot but thanks in advance
> > George Eckhardt Aus Canada
> > geckhardt(a)shaw.ca


[HN] Online-Service aktuelle Traueranzeigen im Raum Uelzen, Isernhagen, Altmark

Date: 2007/02/18 17:09:46
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenleser,

in der Ausgabe der "Allgemeinen Zeitung der Lüneburger Heide", der regionalen Zeitung für Uelzen und Umgebung, findet sich folgende Anzeige am 12.Februar 2007 bei den Traueranzeigen:

"Alle Traueranzeigen der letzten 30 Tage finden Sie auch unter:

www.allgemeine-zeitung-uelzen.de. 

Hier können Sie über den Namen der Verstorbeen oder die Ausgabe, in der die Anzeige, veröffentlicht wurde, suchen. Über die Druckfunktion können Sie sich die Anzeige ausdrucken und über die Versendefunktion können sie die Anzeige per E-Mail in alle Welt verschicken. So können sie auch in weiter Ferne wohnende Verwandte oder Bekannte des Verstorbenen über den Trauerfall in Kenntnis setzen. Klicken sie auf unserer homepage auf den Button "Traueranzeigen". Das Trauerzeigenarchiv ist ein Service ihrer Zeitung."

Nun, das ist beispielhaft. Wenn es gelingen könnte für genealogische Vereine ein Dauerabonnement aller Anzeigen zu bekommen, wäre dieses sicher hilfreich für die Projekte, die jetzt schon die aktuellen Zeitungen für die Genealogie auswerten. Bei Einsicht in das Trauerarchiv der AZ konnte ich feststellen, dass auch die "Zeitung für die Altmark" und das "Isernhagener Tagblatt" - die Zeitungsnamen mögen leicht varieren - ihre Anzeigen beisteuern.

mit den allerbesten sonntäglichen Grüßen

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Re: [HN] GEHRKE

Date: 2007/02/18 17:32:46
From: Robert Inselmann <robert(a)inselmann.de>

Hello together,

do you mean GERKE or Gerken?
I have also a lot of names coming from USA inside my familytree....



Robert

 

 

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Betreff: Re: [HN] GEHRKE

My step-granddaughter married a Gherke in Dallas, TX area about 15 years
ago.  Possible connection?

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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:45 AM
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[HN] Reuter/ Diebholz

Date: 2007/02/18 19:00:34
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Geburtsdaten , ihren Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Johann Heinrich  REUTER * um 1705 in Güntersen, + vor 1776
seine Eltern: Hans Koine REUTER und Ana Maria Alruetz
seine Ehefrau: Dorothea Elisabeth DIEBHOLZ  * um 1710,
Kind : Joh. Friedrich Reuter * 23-5-1739 in Güntersen

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






Re: [HN] JB

Date: 2007/02/18 22:51:25
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>

O.K.  JB,   You had your laugh,   it makes sense, what scanner I have I
don't know my son-in-law set it up,  but that's o.k. I will just ignore the
paperclip now that I know what it is, so get back to your serious
genealogical work.   p.s.  hope the weather in calif. is better than here.
greetings from Holland,      Anna Mairie
----- Original Message -----
From: "J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
To: <Hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] JB



[HN] GEHRKE

Date: 2007/02/18 22:56:00
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[Forwarded message on behalf of Donn Bohde:]

> Datum: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:09:11 -0500
> Von: "Donn E. Bohde" <bohdega(a)wideopenwest.com>
> 
> I too have Gehrkes in my line in Fort Wayne, however the H is
> dropped and it is just Gerke.  H’s in German are funning things.  I
> know my line came to FW in 1854 without the H and they added it once
> there ostensibly to make the pronunciation easier, ensuring the long
> ‘o’ sound in the name.  (strangely, it’s been my experience that the
> added H hasn’t helped in the name’s pronunciation).
> 
> 
> 
> In my record, this line goes back to a Johan Heinrich Ludwig Gerke,
> birth date and place unknown and his son Fredrich Wilhelm Gerke,
> born February 02, 1853.  My g-Aunt Corine Bohde married into this
> line.
>  
> Donn

Re: [HN] GEHRKE

Date: 2007/02/19 04:37:28
From: bob marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

My Gerke line begins in my line as Frederick C Gerke born 18 Jan 1867 in
Decatur, Adams CO, Indiana.  Fred married my Great Aunt Mary Marhenke,
had three children and soon after headed to California where three more
were born.----Bob



On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:12:10 +0100 Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>
writes:
> [Forwarded message on behalf of Donn Bohde:]
> 
> > Datum: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:09:11 -0500
> > Von: "Donn E. Bohde" <bohdega(a)wideopenwest.com>
> > 
> > I too have Gehrkes in my line in Fort Wayne, however the H is
> > dropped and it is just Gerke.  H’s in German are funning things.  
> I
> > know my line came to FW in 1854 without the H and they added it 
> once
> > there ostensibly to make the pronunciation easier, ensuring the 
> long
> > ‘o’ sound in the name.  (strangely, it’s been my experience that 
> the
> > added H hasn’t helped in the name’s pronunciation).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > In my record, this line goes back to a Johan Heinrich Ludwig 
> Gerke,
> > birth date and place unknown and his son Fredrich Wilhelm Gerke,
> > born February 02, 1853.  My g-Aunt Corine Bohde married into this
> > line.
> >  
> > Donn
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[HN] Amt Fallersleben

Date: 2007/02/19 15:08:03
From: Ulrich Ilchmann <ulrich.ilchmann(a)gmx.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,

 

ich suche über diese Liste jemanden, der sich mit den vorhandenen Unterlagen des Amtes Fallersleben in den Staatsarchiven schon einmal beschäftigt hat. 

 

Mein Anlass sind die von Hattorf-Mörse durch einen Pfarrhausbrand 1825 zerstörten Kirchenbücher. Da ich einige genealogische Daten vorliegen habe, sie aber nicht überprüfen kann bzw. auch Ungereimtheiten auftreten, wäre die Klärung und Kontrolle über andere Personenstandslisten überaus sinnvoll. Es handelt sich um den Zeitraum um die Mitte des 18. Jahrhunderts. 

Ich denke da vor allen an Steuerlisten, Listen der Ämter über Abgaben und Dienste, oder auch so genannte Seelenlisten, aber auch Bestandslisten der Dörfer, die während den Arbeiten zur Generallandvermessung angelegt wurden, Jagddienste usw. 

Ich arbeite hauptsächlich zum Herzogtum Braunschweig und habe über alternative Einträge in anderen Registern erhebliche Erfolge erzielt. Für das Königreich Hannover fehlen mir allerdings jegliche Kenntnisse 

 

Vielleicht hat schon jemand vor mir versucht, diesen Weg hier auch zu gehen und kann mir mit wertvollen Tipps weiterhelfen.

 

Mit freundlichen Gruß

Ulrich Ilchmann 


Re: [HN] Amt Fallersleben

Date: 2007/02/19 16:05:17
From: HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

   Hallo Ulrich, dakämen folgende Archivalien in Frage
   Kontributionsbeschreibung der Hauswirte, Häuslinge und Hirten von
   1740/50, dazu Kontributionskataster des Fleckes Fallersleben von 1741.
   Übrigens eine Einwohnerliste von 1727 für die Dörfer Ehmen, Hattorf
   und Heiligendorf befindet sich im Archiv in Wolfenbüttel, Siganatur 26
   Alt, Band 1, wenn Du mehr wissen willst, melde Dich, alles Gute
   Heinrich
   -----Original Message-----
   Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:08:10 +0100
   Subject: [HN] Amt Fallersleben
   From: "Ulrich Ilchmann" <ulrich.ilchmann(a)gmx.de>
   To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   Liebe Familienforscher,
   ich suche über diese Liste jemanden, der sich mit den vorhandenen
   Unterlagen des Amtes Fallersleben in den Staatsarchiven schon einmal
   beschäftigt hat.
   Mein Anlass sind die von Hattorf-Mörse durch einen Pfarrhausbrand 1825
   zerstörten Kirchenbücher. Da ich einige genealogische Daten vorliegen
   habe, sie aber nicht überprüfen kann bzw. auch Ungereimtheiten
   auftreten, wäre die Klärung und Kontrolle über andere
   Personenstandslisten überaus sinnvoll. Es handelt sich um den Zeitraum
   um die Mitte des 18. Jahrhunderts.
   Ich denke da vor allen an Steuerlisten, Listen der Ämter über Abgaben
   und Dienste, oder auch so genannte Seelenlisten, aber auch
   Bestandslisten der Dörfer, die während den Arbeiten zur
   Generallandvermessung angelegt wurden, Jagddienste usw.
   Ich arbeite hauptsächlich zum Herzogtum Braunschweig und habe über
   alternative Einträge in anderen Registern erhebliche Erfolge erzielt.
   Für das Königreich Hannover fehlen mir allerdings jegliche Kenntnisse
   Vielleicht hat schon jemand vor mir versucht, diesen Weg hier auch zu
   gehen und kann mir mit wertvollen Tipps weiterhelfen.
   Mit freundlichen Gruß
   Ulrich Ilchmann
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[HN] Temmen/ Tönnigsen

Date: 2007/02/19 16:49:40
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Geburtsdaten und Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Hermann TEMMEN * um 1700, Musquetier
& am 28-5-1726 in Braunschweig mit Anna Catharina TÖNNIGSEN *um 1705 in Seesen(?)
ihr Vater: Hermann TÖNNIGSEN
Kind :
Johann Conrad Temme * Jan. 1727 in Braunschweig(?), + 18-3-1786 in Braunschweig

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






[HN] OELFFEN - Pastor aus Herzberg - erneute Suche einer Quelle

Date: 2007/02/19 17:45:05
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>

Liebe Mitstreiter in Sachen Oelffen,

vorJahren versuchte ich schon einmal in nachfolgender Sache mein Glück.
Vielleicht werde ich hier fündig?

Ich bin auch auf der Suche nach den sehr interessanten Lebensumständen
dieses Pastors, leider aber bisher nicht so erfolgreich-

In der Zeitung "Zwischen Elbe und Weser" 9/1935 wird folgender Artikel
veröffentlicht:

Regimentschirurgus Johann Friedrich Jakob Erythropel, der erste Arzt in
Basbeck (Lebenslauf des genannten)
In einer Fußnote Nr 9 steht:

Über den Pastor Oelfen, der als Feldprediger des hannoverschen Heeres mit in
den Türkenkrieg zog, und über diesen Türkenkrieg selbst berichtet, berichtet
"Niedersachsen", 1911, Nr 2, ausführlich.

DIESE ANGABE IST FALSCH! Dort ist der Bericht nicht zu finden.
Hat jemand Kenntnisse über diesen Bericht des Pastors Oelfen?

Kann mir jemand diesen Artikel übermitteln?

Viele Grüße

Klaus Riecken


[HN] Gehrke

Date: 2007/02/19 19:33:23
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>


  I would like to know where in Germany  from which they emigrated.
  because

  I also have Gehrke from Dubbekold. In the line before the Reinecke of
  Naharendorf married into Luhmann family. The Luhmann family resided
  house no. two Eichdorf.[Hch Borstelman book]  I do not think any of
  them immigrated. Just off spring with different surnames. From this
  family, I am told a Winkelmann/Bartel woman immigrated.

  thanks

  Jo Meyer,Luhmann, Gehrke, mueller, ries, reiss, riess, behrens, Meier,
  Brockmann,Schlicht, Tippe, Kruse, Jacobs,Steinbach,Brase, Schulz,Seil,
  Barthel, Bartel, Pagel,





  >    1. Re: GEHRKE (bob marhenke)
  >
  >
  >---------------------------------------------------------------------
  -
  >
  >Message: 1
  >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:35:21 -0600
  >From: bob marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>
  >Subject: Re: [HN] GEHRKE
  >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
  >Message-ID: <20070218.213521.3568.5.bobmarval(a)juno.com>
  >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
  >
  >My Gerke line begins in my line as Frederick C Gerke born 18 Jan 1867
  in
  >Decatur, Adams CO, Indiana.  Fred married my Great Aunt Mary
  Marhenke,
  >had three children and soon after headed to California where three
  more
  >were born.----Bob
  >
  >
  >
  >On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:12:10 +0100 Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>
  >writes:
  > > [Forwarded message on behalf of Donn Bohde:]
  > >
  > > > Datum: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:09:11 -0500
  > > > Von: "Donn E. Bohde" <bohdega(a)wideopenwest.com>
  > > >
  > > > I too have Gehrkes in my line in Fort Wayne, however the H is
  > > > dropped and it is just Gerke.  Hs in German are funning things.
  > > I
  > > > know my line came to FW in 1854 without the H and they added it
  > > once
  > > > there ostensibly to make the pronunciation easier, ensuring the
  > > long
  > > > o sound in the name.  (strangely, its been my experience that
  > > the
  > > > added H hasnt helped in the names pronunciation).
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > In my record, this line goes back to a Johan Heinrich Ludwig
  > > Gerke,
  > > > birth date and place unknown and his son Fredrich Wilhelm Gerke,
  > > > born February 02, 1853.  My g-Aunt Corine Bohde married into
  this
  > > > line.
  > > >
  > > > Donn
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Re: [HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2007/02/19 21:13:45
From: jim & sondra <cats(a)eosinc.com>



jo meyer wrote:

  I would like to know where in Germany  from which they emigrated.
  because

  I also have Gehrke from Dubbekold. In the line before the Reinecke of
  Naharendorf married into Luhmann family. The Luhmann family resided
  house no. two Eichdorf.[Hch Borstelman book]  I do not think any of
  them immigrated. Just off spring with different surnames. From this
  family, I am told a Winkelmann/Bartel woman immigrated.

  thanks

  Jo Meyer,Luhmann, Gehrke, mueller, ries, reiss, riess, behrens, Meier,
  Brockmann,Schlicht, Tippe, Kruse, Jacobs,Steinbach,Brase, Schulz,Seil,
  Barthel, Bartel, Pagel,


I have a Reiss family.   Johann George Reiss b @1790's married aa Christina Pilgrem.  They had a son Frederick and a daughter Maria b 19 April 1830.



[HN] Suche HAMANN aus Beverstedt (und umzu) bis Bremen - Wilhelm H. (*27.03.1877 ) und Fritz H. (*05.02.1906)

Date: 2007/02/20 10:08:10
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

Louise Bassen (*25.05.1904 im Ksp. Beverstedt) soll einen Fritz Hamann geheiratet haben und später ausgewandert sein. So heißt es.

In einer Passagierliste (Gesellschaftsreise, Pfingstfahrt) von 1938 habe ich gefunden:

Hamann  Fritz               05.02.1906  verh  Wohnort: Bremen  Deutsch    Polier
Hamann  Louise                                verh  Wohnort: Bremen  Deutsch
Hamann  Wilhelm           27.03.1877  verh  Wohnort: Bremen  Deutsch    Bauunternehmer 
Hamann Margarethe     30.05.1874  verh  Wohnort: Bremen  Deutsch

Der Link: http://web2.vs163224.vserver.de/listen.php?ArchivIdent=AIII15-01.06.1938-3_N&pass=Hamann&ID=585067&ankunftshafen=Gesellschaftsreise,%20Pfingstfahrt%20Juni%201938&lang=de

Dieses könnte für meine Louise Bassen und Fritz Hamann passen.

Weiß jemand, wo die Hamann herkommen?

Viele Grüße   Günter




Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen

Suche in ganz Deutschland:  Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Windershusen (Ksp. Selsingen): Meyer
Suche in Lerbach bei Osterode am Harz:  Oppermann

Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/


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[HN] Geschichte der Kirchen .. und Geistliche des Lippischen Landes

Date: 2007/02/20 10:16:10
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>

Hallo,
Wer besitzt das Buch "Geschichte der Kirchen, Pfarren, geistlichen Stiftungen und Geistlichen des Lippischen Landes." Leider habe ich bei der Einsicht in der Landesbibliothek beim Kopieren meiner gesuchten Seiten die Doppelseiten 312-313 und 338-339 vergessen. Wer kann mir diese als Scan zur Verfügung stellen ?
Freundlichen Dank und
herzliche Grüße
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[HN] Suche Familienprogramm (Tool) zum Export bestimmter Personen (haben alle gleichen Fakt mit unterschiedlichen Inhalten)

Date: 2007/02/20 10:22:30
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

in meinem Familienprogramm habe ich etwa 2000 von insgesamt 14.000 Personen, die ich Exportieren möchte. Nur diesen Personen habe ich 1-3 Fakten gegeben. Hinter diesen Fakten sind dann individuelle Einträge.

z.B.
Fakt: Quelle-G   (Quelle des Geburtseintrages)
Eintrag unter Kommentar/Ort: 1805/17   (Im Jahrgang 1805 der 17. Eintrag)

Nun möchte ich, dass ich alle Personen, die u.A. einen Fakt "Quelle-G" haben, exportieren.

Diese ca. 2000 Personen kann ich nicht als Nachkommen oder Vorfahren exportieren, da es sich um bestimmt 150 verschiedene Familien handelt, die miteinander nichts zu tun haben.

Wer hat sowas schon mal mit seinem Familienprogramm gemacht.

Viele Grüße    Günter





Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen

Suche in ganz Deutschland:  Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Windershusen (Ksp. Selsingen): Meyer
Suche in Lerbach bei Osterode am Harz:  Oppermann

Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/


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Re: [HN] Suche HAMANN aus Beverstedt (und umzu) bis Bremen - Wilhelm H. (*27.03.1877 ) und Fritz H. (*05.02.1906)

Date: 2007/02/20 10:41:22
From: susanneromeike <susanneromeike(a)aol.com>

Hallo Günter,
im Kirchspiel Geestendorf gibt es Einträge über Hamanns Friedrich Wilhelm und seine Frau Elise Katharina Karoline Luise geb. Schaper) von 1871. Vielleicht passt das ja?!
Viele Grüße
Susanne
 
-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- 
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An: famnord(a)genealogy.net; hannover-l(a)genealogy.net; niederelbe(a)ahnenforschungen.de
Verschickt: Di., 20. Feb. 2007, 10:08
Thema: [HN] Suche HAMANN aus Beverstedt (und umzu) bis Bremen - Wilhelm H. (*27.03.1877 ) und Fritz H. (*05.02.1906)


Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

Louise Bassen (*25.05.1904 im Ksp. Beverstedt) soll einen Fritz Hamann 
geheiratet haben und später ausgewandert sein. So heißt es.

In einer Passagierliste (Gesellschaftsreise, Pfingstfahrt) von 1938 habe ich 
gefunden:

Hamann  Fritz               05.02.1906  verh  Wohnort: Bremen  Deutsch    Polier
Hamann  Louise                                verh  Wohnort: Bremen  Deutsch
Hamann  Wilhelm           27.03.1877  verh  Wohnort: Bremen  Deutsch    
Bauunternehmer 
Hamann Margarethe     30.05.1874  verh  Wohnort: Bremen  Deutsch

Der Link: http://web2.vs163224.vserver.de/listen.php?ArchivIdent=AIII15-01.06.1938-3_N&pass=Hamann&ID=585067&ankunftshafen=Gesellschaftsreise,%20Pfingstfahrt%20Juni%201938&lang=de

Dieses könnte für meine Louise Bassen und Fritz Hamann passen.

Weiß jemand, wo die Hamann herkommen?

Viele Grüße   Günter




Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen

Suche in ganz Deutschland:  Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Windershusen (Ksp. Selsingen): Meyer
Suche in Lerbach bei Osterode am Harz:  Oppermann

Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/


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Re: [HN] Suche Familienprogramm (Tool) zum Export bestimmter Personen (haben alle gleichen Fakt mit unterschiedlichen Inhalten)

Date: 2007/02/20 15:08:25
From: Nikolaus Ordemann <n.ordemann(a)infocity.de>

Hallo Günter
Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

in meinem Familienprogramm habe ich etwa 2000 von insgesamt 14.000 Personen, die ich Exportieren möchte. Nur diesen Personen habe ich 1-3 Fakten gegeben. Hinter diesen Fakten sind dann individuelle Einträge.

z.B.
Fakt: Quelle-G   (Quelle des Geburtseintrages)
Eintrag unter Kommentar/Ort: 1805/17   (Im Jahrgang 1805 der 17. Eintrag)

Nun möchte ich, dass ich alle Personen, die u.A. einen Fakt "Quelle-G" haben, exportieren.

Diese ca. 2000 Personen kann ich nicht als Nachkommen oder Vorfahren exportieren, da es sich um bestimmt 150 verschiedene Familien handelt, die miteinander nichts zu tun haben.

Wer hat sowas schon mal mit seinem Familienprogramm gemacht.
das sollte ganz prima mit PAF gehen.
Datei > Exportieren > Sonstige GEDCOM, Einige > Exportieren > Auswählen > Verwandtschaftsfilter Alle UND Feldfilter festlegen > "Quelle" mit ">" selektieren, dann gewünschte(s) Quellenattribut(e) qualifizieren und weiter mit OK...

Viel Glück

Nikolaus (Ordemann)


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[HN] Kehlenbeck/Tietje aus Wulmstorf

Date: 2007/02/20 17:16:26
From: Marina Schlobohm <marinaschlobohm(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo, liebe Listenmitglieder,
   
  meine Urgroßmutter war Anna Adelheid Kehlenbeck, geb. 13.03.1875 in Wulmstorf. Ihre Eltern waren Johann Cord Kehlenbeck und Anna Tietje. Hat vielleicht jemand den Namen Kehlenbeck oder Tietje in seiner AL und kann mir weitere Informationen geben? 
   
  Herzliche Grüße 
   
  Marina
   
   

 		
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Re: [HN] heike- heiko

Date: 2007/02/20 22:12:09
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>

JB,  He was difinitely male so I will for the time being assume it was a
spelling - transcribe mistake,  Andries Muller also known as Heike Muller.
I will keep it in the back of my mind  as he is a dead end.  But none of his
decendants were Heinrich or a form of that name. Male names of decendants
include Andreas, Joseph, rudolf , Derk and an other very unusal one Eligius
.        Thanks for the info.    Anna Marie
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Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Oliver Bund (Brouwers)


> Heike or Heiko, Anna? Perhaps the latter was a diminutive for his middle
> name, if Andries (Andreas?) has been confirmed. Heiko is actually a
> Friesian/North German nickname for Heinrich (Henry in English, rooted from
> Heimerich and Haganrich in Old German, meaning strong ruler). Hinz, Heinz,
> Hein, Heini and Heino are more common German nicks for Heinrich and
> Heinfried, only Heini has morphed somewhat over time towards a more
derisive
> connotation today, more along the lines of "moron" or "imbecile."
>
> Heike is the Friesien/Low German short form of the Heinrike, the female
form
> of Heinrich. It used to be a fairly popular North German girl's name, much
> like Elke and Silke, but has fallen a little out of fashion in recent
years.
>
>


[HN] NESEN / NESENUS

Date: 2007/02/21 07:57:59
From: Gabriele Wiechert <g.wiechert(a)in-vino-veritas.org>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

ich bin heute das erste Mal in der Liste da meine Familienforschung mich in diese Region verschlagen hat.

Es geht um die Familie NESEN/NESENUS u. ä.

Die Anfänge sind bekannt, hier geht es um die Linie des MICHAEL NESENUS, Begründer der braunschweigischen Linie, dessen Nachfahren ich herausfinden möchte.

Er hatte eine Tochter und dreizehn (!) Söhne und war zuerst Mönch im Kloster Ilsenburg, dann Lutheranhänger und ab 1526 Prediger in Isernhagen. Der einzige bekannte Sohn (gleichen Namens) war Geistlicher/Magister in Luchau (wo ist das?) und Bardowik.

Ich habe eben schon mal ins Listenarchiv geschaut und da hat KLAUS RIECKEN schon was Interessantes geschrieben - er erwähnt den Jacob Georg Nesen(us) - Geistlicher im Stift Walkenried, ein Enkel, wie ich weiß, dessen Grabplatte sich dort im Kreuzgang befindet.

War da vielleicht schon jemand und hat ein Foto davon?? Bei Klaus Riecken steht da weiter, daß sich da ebenfalls eine Grabplatte des Ehepaares Spangenberg befindet, (200 Jahre später haben die gelebt) daß ist insofern bemerkenswert, da ich davon ausgehe, daß diese Familie mit Nesen verwandt ist.

Kann mir jemand weiterhelfen, hat jemand gleiche Vorfahren, kennt jemand weitere Nesen?

Ich freue mich schon auf Reaktionen -

Gabriele (Wiechert)

Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/21 10:49:23
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Paddy,

Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe. His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association. His father name Charles, mom Henriette.

The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's occupation as a retired carpenter.

The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as farmer..and that he was born Prussia. Rebecca born Indiana.

I think interesting that the Henry of the Henry/catherine Miehe couple from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were carpenters/furniture makers. Perhaps this is a clue?

Barbie-Lew







J b:
Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful. Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin County, obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church. Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville. The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the two families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children the witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather) and a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry Miehe). There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at the time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
Paddy
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Re: [HN] NESEN / NESENUS

Date: 2007/02/21 12:44:09
From: HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

   Hallo Gabriele, Luchau ist Lüchow, dort war Magister Michael Nesenus
   Propst von 1571 bis 1575, vorher Pastor in Celle, dann Superintendent
   in peine bis 1596, er starb in Peine am 18. Januar 1596. Alles Gute
   Heinrich
   -----Original Message-----
   Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:59:55 +0100
   Subject: [HN] NESEN / NESENUS
   From: Gabriele Wiechert <g.wiechert(a)in-vino-veritas.org>
   To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
   Liebe Listenmitglieder,
   ich bin heute das erste Mal in der Liste da meine Familienforschung
   mich
   in diese Region verschlagen hat.
   Es geht um die Familie NESEN/NESENUS u. ä.
   Die Anfänge sind bekannt, hier geht es um die Linie des MICHAEL
   NESENUS,
   Begründer der braunschweigischen Linie, dessen Nachfahren ich
   herausfinden möchte.
   Er hatte eine Tochter und dreizehn (!) Söhne und war zuerst Mönch im
   Kloster Ilsenburg, dann Lutheranhänger und ab 1526 Prediger in
   Isernhagen. Der einzige bekannte Sohn (gleichen Namens) war
   Geistlicher/Magister in Luchau (wo ist das?) und Bardowik.
   Ich habe eben schon mal ins Listenarchiv geschaut und da hat KLAUS
   RIECKEN schon was Interessantes geschrieben - er erwähnt den Jacob
   Georg
   Nesen(us) - Geistlicher im Stift Walkenried, ein Enkel, wie ich weiß,
   dessen Grabplatte sich dort im Kreuzgang befindet.
   War da vielleicht schon jemand und hat ein Foto davon?? Bei Klaus
   Riecken steht da weiter, daß sich da ebenfalls eine Grabplatte des
   Ehepaares Spangenberg befindet, (200 Jahre später haben die gelebt)
   daß
   ist insofern bemerkenswert, da ich davon ausgehe, daß diese Familie
   mit
   Nesen verwandt ist.
   Kann mir jemand weiterhelfen, hat jemand gleiche Vorfahren, kennt
   jemand
   weitere Nesen?
   Ich freue mich schon auf Reaktionen -
   Gabriele (Wiechert)
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[HN] Brinckmann/Bäsemann

Date: 2007/02/21 13:03:39
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Johann (Justus) Julius BRINCKMANN * 4-7-1679 wo?, + 4-2-1762 in Imbshausen, Förster in Imbshausen Ehefrau: Johanne Catharina BÄSEMANN * 29-9-1678 in Deilmissen/ Amt Wickensen, + 29-1-1762 in Imbshausen
Kinder: Anne Christine BRINCKMANN, * um 1718, + 7-1-1785 in Sebexen
	Johann Georg BRINCKMANN * 14-4-1722 in Imbshausen, + 19-4-1741

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/21 15:33:23
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>

This must be the L. C. Miehe (son of immigrants Carl Georg Miehe and Sophia
Heumann, sister of my great-grandma) who married Rosa Magdalene Sauerbrey.

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



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To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Dear Paddy,

Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.
His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association.  His
father name Charles, mom Henriette.

The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's
occupation as a retired carpenter.

The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as
farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.

I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple
from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were
carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?

Barbie-Lew







J b:
Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had
checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin County,
obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church.
Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in
German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the two
families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children the
witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather) and
a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry
Miehe).
There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in
St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I
agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at the
time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
Paddy
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Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/21 16:49:17
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Hi Barbie-Lew, 
I did fiind the death certificate for Louis Conrad and noted the similarity of occupation. John Henry Frederick came to US in 1848, Henry (b 1807) in 1852, and Carl in 1857. Both Henry and Carl/Charles came from Bremen to New Orleans; haven't found JHF Miehe in a passenger list. The clues are tantalizing, but nothing definite that can connect any of them.
Paddy  


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To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49:11 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Dear Paddy,

Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.  
His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association.  His 
father name Charles, mom Henriette.

The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's 
occupation as a retired carpenter.

The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as 
farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.

I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple 
from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were 
carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?

Barbie-Lew







J b:
Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had 
checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin County, 
obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church. 
Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in 
German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the two 
families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children the 
witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather) and 
a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry 
Miehe).
There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in 
St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I 
agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at the 
time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
Paddy
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Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/21 16:54:07
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Bob,
I agree that Louis Conrad and L.C. Miehe are one and the same and a son of Carl Georg Miehe. Thanks for his wife's name--I had only Rose from the census. I am confused though about who Sophia Heumann is--I thought Carl George Miehe married the Henrietta Heumann who came to New Orleans on the same ship in  1857 and that Henrietta Heumann was the mother of L.C. Miehe. 
Paddy


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From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:33:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


This must be the L. C. Miehe (son of immigrants Carl Georg Miehe and Sophia
Heumann, sister of my great-grandma) who married Rosa Magdalene Sauerbrey.

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



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From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Dear Paddy,

Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.
His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association.  His
father name Charles, mom Henriette.

The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's
occupation as a retired carpenter.

The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as
farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.

I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple
from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were
carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?

Barbie-Lew







J b:
Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had
checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin County,
obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church.
Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in
German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the two
families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children the
witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather) and
a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry
Miehe).
There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in
St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I
agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at the
time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
Paddy
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[HN] Bertram/Voigt

Date: 2007/02/21 17:56:43
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Geburtsdaten und Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Christoff BERTRAM * Juni 1664,+ 17-9-1737 in Bovenden, ++ 19-9-1737 in Bovenden & 25-11-1697 in Bovenden Maria Elisabeth VOIGT * um 1677, + 8-6-1719, ++11-6-1719 in Bovenden
Kind :Johann George BERTRAM * 1718 in Bovenden, + 4-7-1784 in Bovenden
2. Ehefrau: Cath. Elisabeth NN * um 1660

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






[HN] Hannover, Burgstr.21, welche Kirche

Date: 2007/02/21 23:00:16
From: Klaus Leven <ahnen(a)kleven.de>

Hallo Listis,
 
Mein Großvater, Heinrich SCHMIDT ist am 22.04.1919 in Hannover, Burgstr.21
gestorben.
Zu welcher evang. Kirche gehörte diese Adresse ?
 
Grüße aus Hamburg
 
Klaus (Leven)

Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/22 03:33:02
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Paddy & Bob,

Are couple  Miehe bios this title:

Past and present of Fayette County, Iowa
Indianapolis, Ind.: B.F. Bowen & Co., 1910, 1643 pgs.

This title includes bios of :

Theodore Miehe - ppgs. 1028, 1028a, 1029, 1030

Theiodore Miehe bio states he was born 6 December 1872. He is the son of Frederick and SOPHIA (GERIEKER) MIEHE.

On 3 April 1894, Mr. Miehe married Caroline SUNDERMEYER, who was born Dubuque county, 29 December 1870, the daughter of JOHN and JOHANNA (HEMERANT) SUNDERMEYER, the father born in Hanover and the mother in Byron.

They? accompanied their parents to America, he when about eleven years old, in 1848; he being born 8 September, 1837, and his death occured on 22 April, 1908; Mrs. Sundermeyer was born 19 August 1838 and died March 28, 1908.

Mr. and Mrs. Miehe have four children:
Roy
Johnnie F.
Vera C.
Walter E.
----------------------------------
Frederick Miehe - ppgs. 1167, 1167a,1168

Frederick Miehe - born 2 June, 1837 Hannover, Germany, the son of CONRAD & Dorthea Miehe, natives of the provence of Hannover who came to the US in 1848....(New Orleans) taking a steamer up the Mississippi and settling in Dubuque, Iowa.. Had farm of eighty acres and spent remainder of their lives on the same, the father having been killed by a horse in July, 1865, at the age of seventy-two years. His wife died about May 1865, at the age of seventy years. They were the parents of three sons:

Harmon, remained single, died in Harlan township, Fayette county when sixty-seven years old; Frederick, of review; William lives in Dubuque county, Iowa.

Mentions Frederick lived at family home until age 20, when he purchased a farm containing one hundred and twenty-acres, prairie land in Dubuque county, and lived there until 1873, when he moved to Fayette county, and purchased 320 acres in secton 38 Harlan township, where he still lives. At that time he also owned a section of land in that township which he had purchased before moving to this county. At one time owned one thousand acres in Harlan township.
He also owned a section of land in KOSSUTH** county, Iowa.

20 February, 1857 Mr. Miehe married SOPHIA KENNIKE***, who was born in the province of Hanover, Germany, November 8, 1840. Came to US with grandparents at age 17. She and Frederick had fourteen children were born, whom twelve are living at this writing, namely: Charles lives at Maynard this county; Hannah is the wife of Henry Lembka, of Harlan township; William of Harlan township; Julia is the wife of John Meyer, of Maynard, this county; Fred lives in Swea City, Iowa; August lives in Fayette county; Theodore, whose sketch appears elswhere, lives in Smithfield township; Albert lives in Harlan township; Emma is the wife of Otto Smith, of Harlan township; John lives on the home farm; Etta is wife of Vern Goodrich, of Austin, Minnesota; Caroline is the wife of Byron Odekirck of Maynard, Iowa.

Fredericks wife SOPHIA died 13 June 1887.

On 7 Octorber 1887 Frederick wed Augusta Faber, born Germany about 1849; died about 1901. No children issued.
---------

Not sure if of help but in the minute chance..

Barbie-Lew

Can send .pdf of data..

I think there might be data on some of the lateral names mentioned ^.


Bob,
I agree that Louis Conrad and L.C. Miehe are one and the same and a son of Carl Georg Miehe. Thanks for his wife's name--I had only Rose from the census. I am confused though about who Sophia Heumann is--I thought Carl George Miehe married the Henrietta Heumann who came to New Orleans on the same ship in 1857 and that Henrietta Heumann was the mother of L.C. Miehe.
Paddy


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To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:33:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


This must be the L. C. Miehe (son of immigrants Carl Georg Miehe and Sophia
Heumann, sister of my great-grandma) who married Rosa Magdalene Sauerbrey.

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



----- Original Message -----
From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Dear Paddy,

Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.
His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association.  His
father name Charles, mom Henriette.

The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's
occupation as a retired carpenter.

The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as
farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.

I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple
from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were
carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?

Barbie-Lew







J b:
Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had
checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin County,
obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church.
Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in
German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the two
families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children the
witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather) and
a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry
Miehe).
There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in
St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I
agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at the
time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
Paddy
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Re: [HN] Miehe

Date: 2007/02/22 04:34:14
From: Fat Cat <oakbrook7(a)sbcglobal.net>

Check the spelling for the Miehe name. My Miehe's came on the ship 'Ernestine' from Bremen and arrived at New Orleans on 08 Nov. 1851. Their name was listed on the passenger list as 'Miche'. I have not found any info on the parents or the son Heinrich after they arrived in the U.S. The daughters were in Madison, Macoupin, and Montgomery Counties, IL.
Lorman



Re: [HN] Hannover, Burgstr.21, welche Kirche

Date: 2007/02/22 08:18:53
From: Sascha Filpe <Filpe(a)web.de>

Hallo Herr Leven,

da die Burgstraße in Hannover direkt an die ev.-lt. Kreuzkirche angrenzt, tippe ich auf diese!

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreuzkirche_Hannover

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Sascha Filpe
www.filpe-ahnen.de.tt
www.bock-aus-gitter.de.tt
 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Gesendet: 21.02.07 23:00:52
> An: "Hannover - L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Betreff: [HN] Hannover, Burgstr.21, welche Kirche


> Hallo Listis,
>  
> Mein Großvater, Heinrich SCHMIDT ist am 22.04.1919 in Hannover, Burgstr.21
> gestorben.
> Zu welcher evang. Kirche gehörte diese Adresse ?
>  
> Grüße aus Hamburg
>  
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Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/22 11:01:47
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>

Yes, she was Sophia Christine Henriette Heumann (18 Oct 1835, Söhlde,
Hannover - 29 May 1898, St. Louis, Mo.)

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


> Dear Paddy & Bob,
>
> Are couple  Miehe bios this title:
>
> Past and present of Fayette County, Iowa
> Indianapolis, Ind.: B.F. Bowen & Co., 1910, 1643 pgs.
>
> This title includes bios of :
>
> Theodore Miehe - ppgs. 1028, 1028a, 1029, 1030
>
> Theiodore Miehe bio states he was born 6 December 1872. He is the son of
> Frederick and SOPHIA (GERIEKER) MIEHE.
>
> On 3 April 1894, Mr. Miehe married Caroline SUNDERMEYER, who was born
> Dubuque county, 29 December 1870, the daughter of JOHN and JOHANNA
> (HEMERANT) SUNDERMEYER, the father born in Hanover and the mother in
Byron.
>
> They? accompanied their parents to America, he when about eleven years
old,
> in 1848; he being born 8 September, 1837, and his death occured on 22
April,
> 1908; Mrs. Sundermeyer was born 19 August 1838 and died March 28, 1908.
>
> Mr. and Mrs. Miehe have four children:
> Roy
> Johnnie F.
> Vera C.
> Walter E.
> ----------------------------------
> Frederick Miehe - ppgs. 1167, 1167a,1168
>
> Frederick Miehe - born 2 June, 1837 Hannover, Germany, the son of CONRAD &
> Dorthea Miehe, natives of the provence of Hannover who came to the US in
> 1848....(New Orleans) taking a steamer up the Mississippi and settling in
> Dubuque, Iowa.. Had farm of eighty acres and spent remainder of their
lives
> on the same, the father having been killed by a horse in July, 1865, at
the
> age of seventy-two years. His wife died about May 1865, at the age of
> seventy years. They were the parents of three sons:
>
> Harmon, remained single, died in Harlan township, Fayette county when
> sixty-seven years old; Frederick, of review; William lives in Dubuque
> county, Iowa.
>
> Mentions Frederick lived at family home until age 20, when he purchased a
> farm containing one hundred and twenty-acres, prairie land in Dubuque
> county, and lived there until 1873, when he moved to Fayette county, and
> purchased 320 acres in secton 38 Harlan township, where he still lives. At
> that time he also owned a section of land in that township which he had
> purchased before moving to this county.  At one time owned one thousand
> acres in Harlan township.
> He also owned a section of land in KOSSUTH** county, Iowa.
>
> 20 February, 1857 Mr. Miehe married SOPHIA KENNIKE***, who was born in the
> province of Hanover, Germany, November 8, 1840. Came to US with
grandparents
> at age 17.  She and Frederick had fourteen children were born, whom twelve
> are living at this writing, namely:
> Charles lives at Maynard this county; Hannah is the wife of Henry Lembka,
of
> Harlan township; William of Harlan township; Julia is the wife of John
> Meyer, of Maynard, this county; Fred lives in Swea City, Iowa; August
lives
> in Fayette county; Theodore, whose sketch appears elswhere, lives in
> Smithfield township; Albert lives in Harlan township; Emma is the wife of
> Otto Smith, of Harlan township; John lives on the home farm; Etta is wife
of
> Vern Goodrich, of Austin, Minnesota; Caroline is the wife of Byron
Odekirck
> of Maynard, Iowa.
>
> Fredericks wife SOPHIA died 13 June 1887.
>
> On 7 Octorber 1887 Frederick wed Augusta Faber, born Germany about 1849;
> died about 1901.  No children issued.
> ---------
>
> Not sure if of help but in the minute chance..
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
> Can send .pdf of data..
>
> I think there might be data on some of the lateral names mentioned ^.
>
>
> Bob,
> I agree that Louis Conrad and L.C. Miehe are one and the same and a son of
> Carl Georg Miehe. Thanks for his wife's name--I had only Rose from the
> census. I am confused though about who Sophia Heumann is--I thought Carl
> George Miehe married the Henrietta Heumann who came to New Orleans on the
> same ship in  1857 and that Henrietta Heumann was the mother of L.C.
Miehe.
> Paddy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:33:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> This must be the L. C. Miehe (son of immigrants Carl Georg Miehe and
Sophia
> Heumann, sister of my great-grandma) who married Rosa Magdalene Sauerbrey.
>
> Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> Dear Paddy,
>
> Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.
> His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association.  His
> father name Charles, mom Henriette.
>
> The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's
> occupation as a retired carpenter.
>
> The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as
> farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.
>
> I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple
> from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were
> carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> J b:
> Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had
> checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
> Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin
County,
> obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church.
> Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in
> German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
> The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the
two
> families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children
the
> witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather)
and
> a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry
> Miehe).
> There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in
> St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I
> agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at
the
> time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
> Paddy
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[HN] Kornrumpf/Gotthardt

Date: 2007/02/22 18:14:51
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach ihren Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Anna Marie KORNRUMPF * 1692,+ 9-11-1758 in Gross-Lengden
Ehemann: Johann Andreas GOTTHARDT * 1-4-1677 verm. in Gross-Lengden, + 20-10-1746
seine Eltern: Henrich Gotthardt und Elisabeth NN
Kind: Johann Heinrich GOTTHARDT * 13-6-1715 in Gross-Lengden, + 30-7-1781 in Gross-Lengden

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






Re: [HN] Kornrumpf/Gotthardt

Date: 2007/02/22 18:25:28
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

I have a few GOTTHARDTs in my tree.  The oldest is Jacob Gotthardt b. 1722 and d. 1782-06-09 in Frickhofen,,Hessen,Germany.  Does this match up with any of your information?  

Janice Thiele Seiler 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Wolf Igmar
Mispelhorn
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:13 AM
To: hannover liste1
Subject: [HN] Kornrumpf/Gotthardt


Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach ihren Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Anna Marie KORNRUMPF * 1692,+ 9-11-1758 in Gross-Lengden
Ehemann: Johann Andreas GOTTHARDT * 1-4-1677 verm. in Gross-Lengden, + 
20-10-1746
seine Eltern: Henrich Gotthardt und Elisabeth NN
Kind: Johann Heinrich GOTTHARDT * 13-6-1715 in Gross-Lengden, + 
30-7-1781 in Gross-Lengden

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
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[HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2007/02/23 01:04:49
From: James Jeffries <jamjeffr(a)hotmail.com>

I am looking for information concerning the surname of Tottenhoff. This was listed on the 1880 us census as the birthplace of William Tottenhoff. I donot know how it was spelled in Prussia.  Thank you, Jay D Jeffries 1816 Ave I Fort Madison, Iowa 52627, USA. Any help would be appreciated. 
JAMES D. (JAY) JEFFRIES

[HN] Bötcher

Date: 2007/02/23 15:31:34
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Ehefrau und Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Jacob BÖTCHER * um 1658, + 25-5-1736 in Klein-Lengden
Kind :Christian BÖTTGER * 12-9-1715 in Klein-Lengden, + 27-5-1774 in Klein-Lengden

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






[HN] Erich Funch, "Nachrichten über die Fami lie Lauw"

Date: 2007/02/23 16:12:04
From: Almut Völker <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenleser,
Ich suche das Buch: " Nachrichten über die Familie LAUW mit 2 Stammtafeln
und einer Wappentafel",
Herausgeber Sussmann, Oldenburg 1905
käuflich oder leihweise.
GBV sagt mir: es gibt keine Bibliothek, die das Buch liefern kann,
es handelt sich auch wohl nur um einen schmalen Band mir ca. 30 Seiten
Kennt jemand das Buch?
Almut Völker Osnabrück



Re: [HN] Erich Funch, "Nachrichten über die Fami lie Lauw"

Date: 2007/02/23 17:38:27
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Almut, 

Das steht im Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg, Damm 43, gegenueber vom
Volkskunde-Museum 
unter OGF 2223. 

Du erteilst einfach dem Staatsarchiv oldenburg(at)nla.niedersachsen.de 
einen Fotauftrag mit Angabe Deiner vollstaendigen Anschrift

Unter OGF M Lauw gibt es noch Material. Was immer das auch sein mag und
unter OGF T 77
(Lauw) eine Stammtafel. 

Mit freundlichen Gruessen 

Falk Liebezeit 
Diepholz 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Almut Völker
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Februar 2007 16:30
An: Niedersachsen mailingliste; Hannover mailingliste
Betreff: [HN] Erich Funch, "Nachrichten über die Familie Lauw"

Liebe Listenleser,
Ich suche das Buch: " Nachrichten über die Familie LAUW mit 2 Stammtafeln
und einer Wappentafel", Herausgeber Sussmann, Oldenburg 1905 käuflich oder
leihweise.
GBV sagt mir: es gibt keine Bibliothek, die das Buch liefern kann, es
handelt sich auch wohl nur um einen schmalen Band mir ca. 30 Seiten Kennt
jemand das Buch?
Almut Völker Osnabrück


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[HN] Jmbtwb(a)isd.net

Date: 2007/02/23 18:10:27
From: Jan Ruschke <janruschke(a)hotmail.com>

Thema herrmannsburg

Hallo,

My birthname is freese. I am searching for relations in chicago. My
granduncle carl franz heinrich freese(frese or frehse)immigrated at
about1880 to usa. I wonder if there some freeses still in chicago living.
In my research I came down to a hans frese, born at about 1730 mecklenburg.
Is it possible to send me a copie of the classfoto from herrmannsburg? I
would be very pleased. Thanks hanne.
H.ruschke
grindelhof83/17
20146 hamburg
germany



[HN] Schhwarze Chronik Hamburg 13.Teil, KAISER , DOSE, MAHRT, POSSIEHL, GOLLY, KRÜGER , NEUMANN, BUNKE, BERNSTEIN

Date: 2007/02/23 19:06:20
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenleser,

es folgt die wöchentliche Ration Hamburger Verbrechen und auch dadurch bedingter Todesfälle, wie immer aus Helmut Ebeling: Schwarze Chronik einer Weltstadt. Hamburger Kriminalgeschichte 1919 bis 1945, Hamburg: Kabel-Verlag 1980(1967):

"...1937 ...

21. 1.37 Mord an Minna KAISER, Rumpffsweg 12; Täter K.DOSE; Proz. 3.5.37

 2. 3.37 Mord an Johanna MAHRT, Hammer Deich 95

 1. 4.37 Neuordnung der Kriminalpolitei in Groß-Hamburg. Auch die preußischen Teile werden der Kriminalpolizeileitstelle unterstellt

13. 5.37 Sittenverbrecher Arnold POSSIEHL (Schrecken der Nordheide) festgenommen; Proz. 29.1.38

30. 6.37 Bibelforscherprozeß gegen GOLLY u. andere.

13. 9.37 Prozeß gegen Fahhraddiebstahlsbande KRÜGER u. Gen.: mehr als 1000 Fahhräder gestohlen

12.10.37 Mord an Schulmädchen Paula NEUMANN. Leiche wurde am 24.10.37 im Altonaer Volkspark aufgefunden.Fall ist nicht mit letzter Gewißheit geklärt. (S.324ff: " ..Paula, geboren am 13.August 1930 ...,(Mutter:).. die 31jährige Ehefrau Helene NEUMANN aus der Fruchtallee 75 ... Es blieb eine hohe, ja nahezu an Sicherheit grenzende Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass BUNKE der Mörder der kleinen Paula war ... Hugo BUNKE, * 1886 in Altona ... er soll während des Krieges  bei Arbeiten in einem Steinbruch zu Tode gekommen sein....

15.11.37 Devisenprozeß gegen Arnold BERNSTEIN (Bernstein-Reederei)

mit besten Grüßen zum Wochenende

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Re: [HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2007/02/23 19:21:11
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

"James Jeffries" <jamjeffr(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
> I am looking for information concerning the surname of Tottenhoff. This was listed on the 1880 us census as the birthplace of William Tottenhoff. I donot know how it was spelled in Prussia.  Thank you, Jay D Jeffries 1816 Ave I Fort Madison, Iowa 52627, USA. Any help would be appreciated. 
> JAMES D. (JAY) JEFFRIES

Hi James Jeffries,

my telephone directory 1998 lists up as a place name: TOTTENHOF = Sankelmark = postcode nr. 24988,

as religious communities, you find only:

Danske Kirke, 24988 Sankelmark, Tel. 04630 80131

the civil administration is given as:

Amt Oeversee, 24988 Sankelmark, Tel. 04630-88-0

As a family name in Germany, I can find in 1998 only ten entries TOTENHÖFER at the places Henstedt-Ulzburg, Pinneberg, Ebstorf (3x), Bad Bevensen, Pinneberg, Quichborn, Bienenbüttel (2x)

Greetings

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

[HN] MARHENKE

Date: 2007/02/23 23:24:19
From: bob marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

To the List.  Would any one have any information about the following
family?  Looks as though Hannover Stadt is the place to look if any one
is working those records.  Please help---Bob Marhenke


Father Name: Carl August Daniel MARHENKE
Sex: Male

Mother Name: Caroline Dorothee Elisabeth JUERGENS
Marriage ?
Children: 
1.Caroline Marie Auguste MARHENKE (2 Jul 1863 - ) Hannover Stadt,
Hannover, Germany
2.August Albert Adolf MARHENKE (2 Dec 1870 - )Hannover Stadt, Hannover,
Germany
3.Adolph Carl Ferdinand MARHENKE (21 Apr 1872 - )Hannover Stadt,
Hannover, Germany
4.Dorette Auguste Lina Friederike MARHENKE (29 Nov 1874 - )Hannover
Stadt, Hannover, Germany
5.Friederich Adolph August MARHENKE (2 Jan 1878 - 13 Jun 1933) Hannover,
Germany

[HN] Louis A. Biermann Obituary 1952

Date: 2007/02/24 08:21:48
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

BIERMANN, Louis A - 4629 Anderson, Wed., Feb. 13, 1952, beloved husband of the late Adele Biermann, dear father of Norman W. Biermann and Mrs. Marian Reidy, dear brother of Mrs. Louis Vogt, our dear grandfather, father-in-law, brother-in-law and uncle.

Funeral Fri. Feb. 15, 2 p. m., from Matt Hermann & Sons Chapel, Fair and West Florissant aves. Internment - Friedens Cemetery. Mr. Biermann was a retired letter-carrier

St. Louis Globe Democrat
14 April 1952

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[HN] Hotoph Wendhausen

Date: 2007/02/24 11:01:09
From: susanneromeike <susanneromeike(a)aol.com>

Liebe Mitstreiter,
ich suche Informationen über die Familie Hotoph. Meine bisherigen Erkenntnisse:
 
Johann Heinrich Wilhelm Hotoph, geb. 1824 in Wendhausen 
heiratet Johanne Marie Christine Elisabeth Roffmann.
Ihre gemeinsame Tochter Johanne Wilhelmine Augusta heiratet 1871 im heutigen Bremerhaven.
Kann mir jemand etwas über die Hotophs aus Wendhausen berichten?
Ich bedanke mich schon jetzt und wünsche allen ein schönes Wochenende.
Susanne 
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Re: [HN] MIEHE 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/24 14:47:35
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Hi Bob and Barbie-Lew,
Thanks for the additional information. I have come across the MIEHE's in Iowa often in various indices and wondered about a possible connection. Have found no indications in Illinois to suggest one, but perhaps a follow-up from the Iowa side might help. Bob, do you know if there is any connection?
Paddy

----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Yes, she was Sophia Christine Henriette Heumann (18 Oct 1835, Söhlde,
Hannover - 29 May 1898, St. Louis, Mo.)

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


> Dear Paddy & Bob,
>
> Are couple  Miehe bios this title:
>
> Past and present of Fayette County, Iowa
> Indianapolis, Ind.: B.F. Bowen & Co., 1910, 1643 pgs.
>
> This title includes bios of :
>
> Theodore Miehe - ppgs. 1028, 1028a, 1029, 1030
>
> Theiodore Miehe bio states he was born 6 December 1872. He is the son of
> Frederick and SOPHIA (GERIEKER) MIEHE.
>
> On 3 April 1894, Mr. Miehe married Caroline SUNDERMEYER, who was born
> Dubuque county, 29 December 1870, the daughter of JOHN and JOHANNA
> (HEMERANT) SUNDERMEYER, the father born in Hanover and the mother in
Byron.
>
> They? accompanied their parents to America, he when about eleven years
old,
> in 1848; he being born 8 September, 1837, and his death occured on 22
April,
> 1908; Mrs. Sundermeyer was born 19 August 1838 and died March 28, 1908.
>
> Mr. and Mrs. Miehe have four children:
> Roy
> Johnnie F.
> Vera C.
> Walter E.
> ----------------------------------
> Frederick Miehe - ppgs. 1167, 1167a,1168
>
> Frederick Miehe - born 2 June, 1837 Hannover, Germany, the son of CONRAD &
> Dorthea Miehe, natives of the provence of Hannover who came to the US in
> 1848....(New Orleans) taking a steamer up the Mississippi and settling in
> Dubuque, Iowa.. Had farm of eighty acres and spent remainder of their
lives
> on the same, the father having been killed by a horse in July, 1865, at
the
> age of seventy-two years. His wife died about May 1865, at the age of
> seventy years. They were the parents of three sons:
>
> Harmon, remained single, died in Harlan township, Fayette county when
> sixty-seven years old; Frederick, of review; William lives in Dubuque
> county, Iowa.
>
> Mentions Frederick lived at family home until age 20, when he purchased a
> farm containing one hundred and twenty-acres, prairie land in Dubuque
> county, and lived there until 1873, when he moved to Fayette county, and
> purchased 320 acres in secton 38 Harlan township, where he still lives. At
> that time he also owned a section of land in that township which he had
> purchased before moving to this county.  At one time owned one thousand
> acres in Harlan township.
> He also owned a section of land in KOSSUTH** county, Iowa.
>
> 20 February, 1857 Mr. Miehe married SOPHIA KENNIKE***, who was born in the
> province of Hanover, Germany, November 8, 1840. Came to US with
grandparents
> at age 17.  She and Frederick had fourteen children were born, whom twelve
> are living at this writing, namely:
> Charles lives at Maynard this county; Hannah is the wife of Henry Lembka,
of
> Harlan township; William of Harlan township; Julia is the wife of John
> Meyer, of Maynard, this county; Fred lives in Swea City, Iowa; August
lives
> in Fayette county; Theodore, whose sketch appears elswhere, lives in
> Smithfield township; Albert lives in Harlan township; Emma is the wife of
> Otto Smith, of Harlan township; John lives on the home farm; Etta is wife
of
> Vern Goodrich, of Austin, Minnesota; Caroline is the wife of Byron
Odekirck
> of Maynard, Iowa.
>
> Fredericks wife SOPHIA died 13 June 1887.
>
> On 7 Octorber 1887 Frederick wed Augusta Faber, born Germany about 1849;
> died about 1901.  No children issued.
> ---------
>
> Not sure if of help but in the minute chance..
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
> Can send .pdf of data..
>
> I think there might be data on some of the lateral names mentioned ^.
>
>
> Bob,
> I agree that Louis Conrad and L.C. Miehe are one and the same and a son of
> Carl Georg Miehe. Thanks for his wife's name--I had only Rose from the
> census. I am confused though about who Sophia Heumann is--I thought Carl
> George Miehe married the Henrietta Heumann who came to New Orleans on the
> same ship in  1857 and that Henrietta Heumann was the mother of L.C.
Miehe.
> Paddy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:33:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> This must be the L. C. Miehe (son of immigrants Carl Georg Miehe and
Sophia
> Heumann, sister of my great-grandma) who married Rosa Magdalene Sauerbrey.
>
> Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> Dear Paddy,
>
> Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.
> His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association.  His
> father name Charles, mom Henriette.
>
> The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's
> occupation as a retired carpenter.
>
> The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as
> farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.
>
> I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple
> from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were
> carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> J b:
> Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had
> checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
> Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin
County,
> obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church.
> Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in
> German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
> The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the
two
> families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children
the
> witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather)
and
> a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry
> Miehe).
> There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in
> St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I
> agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at
the
> time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
> Paddy
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Re: [HN] MIEHE

Date: 2007/02/24 14:51:42
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Lorman ,
Yes, I have had some MICHE spellings also. Others have included: MEIHE, MIEHER, MOICHE, MIEHL, NEHA, NEMA, and probably variations of MEYER or MYER although none I know of in my direct line. Some of these were in an index but some were in actual documents.
I would be interested in the names of any of your MIEHE line that you know were in Macoupin County, Illinois.
Paddy


----- Original Message ----
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To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:33:31 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe


Check the spelling for the Miehe name.  My Miehe's came on the ship 
'Ernestine' from Bremen and arrived at New Orleans on 08 Nov. 1851.  
Their name was listed on the passenger list as 'Miche'.  I have not 
found any info on the parents or the son Heinrich after they arrived in 
the U.S.  The daughters were in Madison, Macoupin, and Montgomery 
Counties, IL.
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[HN] Information please

Date: 2007/02/24 15:42:06
From: bob marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

To the List,

I am under the impression that the Archives in Hannover contain copies of
All the Old church records from the Hannover area.  Records that LDS was
not allowed to film. I am also under the impression that the public can
have access to these records.  Am I correct in my thinking.

I ask this question because a gentleman who lives near Hannover does not
think this way.  He has been to the "Civil Registry Office" for his
information.  Is the "Archives" something different?  Can some one advise
me as to the location of the Archives so I can pass it along to him. 
Thank You I await an answer---Bob Marhenke

Re: [HN] MIEHE 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/24 17:01:30
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>

Hi

I have told all that I know. I found the Heumann part on an LDS film or
site - forget which.

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paddy Lorenz" <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] MIEHE 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Hi Bob and Barbie-Lew,
Thanks for the additional information. I have come across the MIEHE's in
Iowa often in various indices and wondered about a possible connection. Have
found no indications in Illinois to suggest one, but perhaps a follow-up
from the Iowa side might help. Bob, do you know if there is any connection?
Paddy

----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Yes, she was Sophia Christine Henriette Heumann (18 Oct 1835, Söhlde,
Hannover - 29 May 1898, St. Louis, Mo.)

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


> Dear Paddy & Bob,
>
> Are couple  Miehe bios this title:
>
> Past and present of Fayette County, Iowa
> Indianapolis, Ind.: B.F. Bowen & Co., 1910, 1643 pgs.
>
> This title includes bios of :
>
> Theodore Miehe - ppgs. 1028, 1028a, 1029, 1030
>
> Theiodore Miehe bio states he was born 6 December 1872. He is the son of
> Frederick and SOPHIA (GERIEKER) MIEHE.
>
> On 3 April 1894, Mr. Miehe married Caroline SUNDERMEYER, who was born
> Dubuque county, 29 December 1870, the daughter of JOHN and JOHANNA
> (HEMERANT) SUNDERMEYER, the father born in Hanover and the mother in
Byron.
>
> They? accompanied their parents to America, he when about eleven years
old,
> in 1848; he being born 8 September, 1837, and his death occured on 22
April,
> 1908; Mrs. Sundermeyer was born 19 August 1838 and died March 28, 1908.
>
> Mr. and Mrs. Miehe have four children:
> Roy
> Johnnie F.
> Vera C.
> Walter E.
> ----------------------------------
> Frederick Miehe - ppgs. 1167, 1167a,1168
>
> Frederick Miehe - born 2 June, 1837 Hannover, Germany, the son of CONRAD &
> Dorthea Miehe, natives of the provence of Hannover who came to the US in
> 1848....(New Orleans) taking a steamer up the Mississippi and settling in
> Dubuque, Iowa.. Had farm of eighty acres and spent remainder of their
lives
> on the same, the father having been killed by a horse in July, 1865, at
the
> age of seventy-two years. His wife died about May 1865, at the age of
> seventy years. They were the parents of three sons:
>
> Harmon, remained single, died in Harlan township, Fayette county when
> sixty-seven years old; Frederick, of review; William lives in Dubuque
> county, Iowa.
>
> Mentions Frederick lived at family home until age 20, when he purchased a
> farm containing one hundred and twenty-acres, prairie land in Dubuque
> county, and lived there until 1873, when he moved to Fayette county, and
> purchased 320 acres in secton 38 Harlan township, where he still lives. At
> that time he also owned a section of land in that township which he had
> purchased before moving to this county.  At one time owned one thousand
> acres in Harlan township.
> He also owned a section of land in KOSSUTH** county, Iowa.
>
> 20 February, 1857 Mr. Miehe married SOPHIA KENNIKE***, who was born in the
> province of Hanover, Germany, November 8, 1840. Came to US with
grandparents
> at age 17.  She and Frederick had fourteen children were born, whom twelve
> are living at this writing, namely:
> Charles lives at Maynard this county; Hannah is the wife of Henry Lembka,
of
> Harlan township; William of Harlan township; Julia is the wife of John
> Meyer, of Maynard, this county; Fred lives in Swea City, Iowa; August
lives
> in Fayette county; Theodore, whose sketch appears elswhere, lives in
> Smithfield township; Albert lives in Harlan township; Emma is the wife of
> Otto Smith, of Harlan township; John lives on the home farm; Etta is wife
of
> Vern Goodrich, of Austin, Minnesota; Caroline is the wife of Byron
Odekirck
> of Maynard, Iowa.
>
> Fredericks wife SOPHIA died 13 June 1887.
>
> On 7 Octorber 1887 Frederick wed Augusta Faber, born Germany about 1849;
> died about 1901.  No children issued.
> ---------
>
> Not sure if of help but in the minute chance..
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
> Can send .pdf of data..
>
> I think there might be data on some of the lateral names mentioned ^.
>
>
> Bob,
> I agree that Louis Conrad and L.C. Miehe are one and the same and a son of
> Carl Georg Miehe. Thanks for his wife's name--I had only Rose from the
> census. I am confused though about who Sophia Heumann is--I thought Carl
> George Miehe married the Henrietta Heumann who came to New Orleans on the
> same ship in  1857 and that Henrietta Heumann was the mother of L.C.
Miehe.
> Paddy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:33:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> This must be the L. C. Miehe (son of immigrants Carl Georg Miehe and
Sophia
> Heumann, sister of my great-grandma) who married Rosa Magdalene Sauerbrey.
>
> Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> Dear Paddy,
>
> Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.
> His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association.  His
> father name Charles, mom Henriette.
>
> The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's
> occupation as a retired carpenter.
>
> The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as
> farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.
>
> I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple
> from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were
> carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> J b:
> Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had
> checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
> Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin
County,
> obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church.
> Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in
> German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
> The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the
two
> families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children
the
> witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather)
and
> a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry
> Miehe).
> There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in
> St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I
> agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at
the
> time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
> Paddy
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[HN] test

Date: 2007/02/24 19:28:24
From: bob marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Is this site working?---Bob

Re: [HN] Information please

Date: 2007/02/24 19:29:38
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>

Hello Bob,

I am under the impression that the Archives in Hannover contain copies of
All the Old church records from the Hannover area.  Records that LDS was
not allowed to film. I am also under the impression that the public can
have access to these records.  Am I correct in my thinking.

Yes, you are right. The records are here:

Kirchenbuchamt Hannover
Hildesheimerstrasse
Hannover

look at: www.kirchenbuchamt.de

But these records contain the years from the beginning until 1874/75. From then on the "Civil Registry Offices" had to do this work. They give information only to direct descendants of a person.

Greetings

Susanne Schmitz

I ask this question because a gentleman who lives near Hannover does not
think this way.  He has been to the "Civil Registry Office" for his
information.  Is the "Archives" something different?  Can some one advise
me as to the location of the Archives so I can pass it along to him.
Thank You I await an answer---Bob Marhenke

Re: [HN] Information please

Date: 2007/02/24 20:13:51
From: bob marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Thank You Susanne,

I am trying to help a Marhenke who lives right near Hannover do his
family line. Maybe if he learns the ropes to help him self,  he can then
help me later---Bob


On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:29:12 +0100 "Susanne Schmitz" <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>
writes:
> Hello Bob,
> >
> > I am under the impression that the Archives in Hannover contain 
> copies of
> > All the Old church records from the Hannover area.  Records that 
> LDS was
> > not allowed to film. I am also under the impression that the 
> public can
> > have access to these records.  Am I correct in my thinking.
> 
> Yes, you are right. The records are here:
> 
> Kirchenbuchamt Hannover
> Hildesheimerstrasse
> Hannover
> 
> look at: www.kirchenbuchamt.de
> 
> But these records contain the years from the beginning until 
> 1874/75. From  
> then on the "Civil Registry Offices" had to do this work. They give  
> 
> information only to direct descendants of a person.
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Susanne Schmitz
> >
> > I ask this question because a gentleman who lives near Hannover 
> does not
> > think this way.  He has been to the "Civil Registry Office" for 
> his
> > information.  Is the "Archives" something different?  Can some one 
> advise
> > me as to the location of the Archives so I can pass it along to 
> him.
> > Thank You I await an answer---Bob Marhenke
> ______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] MIEHE 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/24 20:25:28
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Paddy,

In the minute chance you haven't stumbled upon the Mersie and Miehr spelling...:)

Mersie....

Source:
Illinois Online Marriage Index
LORENZ, PETER
MERSIE, MARY HANNAH (MISS)  ******
05/19/1865
005/0022 00004796 MACOUPIN

AND

MIEHR
[MISS JOHANNA MIEHR]

Source:
Portrait and biographical record of Macoupin County, Illinois....
Chicago: Biographical Pub. Co., 1891.
Peter W. Lorenz biography - pgs. 478 & 481

Peter & Mary Hannah/Johanna kids:
George, Charles , Frank, Clara, Anna & Willy.

Johanna , native of Hannover , to U.S. 1848. with parents Henry and Elizabeth Miiehr.

Barbie-Lew





LORENZ, PETER
MERSIE, MARY HANNAH (MISS)  ******
05/19/1865
005/0022 00004796 MACOUPIN


The wife of Peter W. Lorenz was Johanna

Hi Bob and Barbie-Lew,
Thanks for the additional information. I have come across the MIEHE's in Iowa often in various indices and wondered about a possible connection. Have found no indications in Illinois to suggest one, but perhaps a follow-up from the Iowa side might help. Bob, do you know if there is any connection?
Paddy

----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Yes, she was Sophia Christine Henriette Heumann (18 Oct 1835, Söhlde,
Hannover - 29 May 1898, St. Louis, Mo.)

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



----- Original Message -----
From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


> Dear Paddy & Bob,
>
> Are couple  Miehe bios this title:
>
> Past and present of Fayette County, Iowa
> Indianapolis, Ind.: B.F. Bowen & Co., 1910, 1643 pgs.
>
> This title includes bios of :
>
> Theodore Miehe - ppgs. 1028, 1028a, 1029, 1030
>
> Theiodore Miehe bio states he was born 6 December 1872. He is the son of
> Frederick and SOPHIA (GERIEKER) MIEHE.
>
> On 3 April 1894, Mr. Miehe married Caroline SUNDERMEYER, who was born
> Dubuque county, 29 December 1870, the daughter of JOHN and JOHANNA
> (HEMERANT) SUNDERMEYER, the father born in Hanover and the mother in
Byron.
>
> They? accompanied their parents to America, he when about eleven years
old,
> in 1848; he being born 8 September, 1837, and his death occured on 22
April,
> 1908; Mrs. Sundermeyer was born 19 August 1838 and died March 28, 1908.
>
> Mr. and Mrs. Miehe have four children:
> Roy
> Johnnie F.
> Vera C.
> Walter E.
> ----------------------------------
> Frederick Miehe - ppgs. 1167, 1167a,1168
>
> Frederick Miehe - born 2 June, 1837 Hannover, Germany, the son of CONRAD &
> Dorthea Miehe, natives of the provence of Hannover who came to the US in
> 1848....(New Orleans) taking a steamer up the Mississippi and settling in
> Dubuque, Iowa.. Had farm of eighty acres and spent remainder of their
lives
> on the same, the father having been killed by a horse in July, 1865, at
the
> age of seventy-two years. His wife died about May 1865, at the age of
> seventy years. They were the parents of three sons:
>
> Harmon, remained single, died in Harlan township, Fayette county when
> sixty-seven years old; Frederick, of review; William lives in Dubuque
> county, Iowa.
>
> Mentions Frederick lived at family home until age 20, when he purchased a
> farm containing one hundred and twenty-acres, prairie land in Dubuque
> county, and lived there until 1873, when he moved to Fayette county, and
> purchased 320 acres in secton 38 Harlan township, where he still lives. At
> that time he also owned a section of land in that township which he had
> purchased before moving to this county.  At one time owned one thousand
> acres in Harlan township.
> He also owned a section of land in KOSSUTH** county, Iowa.
>
> 20 February, 1857 Mr. Miehe married SOPHIA KENNIKE***, who was born in the
> province of Hanover, Germany, November 8, 1840. Came to US with
grandparents
> at age 17. She and Frederick had fourteen children were born, whom twelve
> are living at this writing, namely:
> Charles lives at Maynard this county; Hannah is the wife of Henry Lembka,
of
> Harlan township; William of Harlan township; Julia is the wife of John
> Meyer, of Maynard, this county; Fred lives in Swea City, Iowa; August
lives
> in Fayette county; Theodore, whose sketch appears elswhere, lives in
> Smithfield township; Albert lives in Harlan township; Emma is the wife of
> Otto Smith, of Harlan township; John lives on the home farm; Etta is wife
of
> Vern Goodrich, of Austin, Minnesota; Caroline is the wife of Byron
Odekirck
> of Maynard, Iowa.
>
> Fredericks wife SOPHIA died 13 June 1887.
>
> On 7 Octorber 1887 Frederick wed Augusta Faber, born Germany about 1849;
> died about 1901.  No children issued.
> ---------
>
> Not sure if of help but in the minute chance..
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
> Can send .pdf of data..
>
> I think there might be data on some of the lateral names mentioned ^.
>
>
> Bob,
> I agree that Louis Conrad and L.C. Miehe are one and the same and a son of
> Carl Georg Miehe. Thanks for his wife's name--I had only Rose from the
> census. I am confused though about who Sophia Heumann is--I thought Carl
> George Miehe married the Henrietta Heumann who came to New Orleans on the
> same ship in  1857 and that Henrietta Heumann was the mother of L.C.
Miehe.
> Paddy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:33:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> This must be the L. C. Miehe (son of immigrants Carl Georg Miehe and
Sophia
> Heumann, sister of my great-grandma) who married Rosa Magdalene Sauerbrey.
>
> Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> Dear Paddy,
>
> Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.
> His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association. His
> father name Charles, mom Henriette.
>
> The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list Henry's
> occupation as a retired carpenter.
>
> The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation as
> farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.
>
> I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple
> from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were
> carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> J b:
> Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had
> checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
> Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin
County,
> obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church.
> Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in
> German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
> The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the
two
> families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children
the
> witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather)
and
> a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of Henry
> Miehe).
> There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in
> St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I
> agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at
the
> time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
> Paddy
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Re: [HN] test

Date: 2007/02/24 20:49:15
From: Loretta Krumwiede Barlow <krumbar(a)comcast.net>

Yes it is, Bob.

I met Sarah Schamerloh down at the library (ACPL) this morning, and she had some email from you, too, regarding her families. She shared information with me about Wenden, Hagen, Borstel, etc., with me. There were Krumwiede families mentioned throughout.


----- Original Message ----- From: "bob marhenke" <bobmarval(a)juno.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: [HN] test


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Re: [HN] Information please

Date: 2007/02/24 20:55:30
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

Bob, you should also be aware that these archives only contain records from
the Evangelisch-lutherisch churches and not from other denominations. For
the most part, the records that the LDS has are from duplicate records that
were in the state archives at Stade. This is restricted to those churches in
the old Kreis of Stade.

Paul Scheele 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of bob marhenke
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Information please
> 
> Thank You Susanne,
> 
> I am trying to help a Marhenke who lives right near Hannover do his
> family line. Maybe if he learns the ropes to help him self,  he can then
> help me later---Bob
> 
> 
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:29:12 +0100 "Susanne Schmitz" <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>
> writes:
> > Hello Bob,
> > >
> > > I am under the impression that the Archives in Hannover contain
> > copies of
> > > All the Old church records from the Hannover area.  Records that
> > LDS was
> > > not allowed to film. I am also under the impression that the
> > public can
> > > have access to these records.  Am I correct in my thinking.
> >
> > Yes, you are right. The records are here:
> >
> > Kirchenbuchamt Hannover
> > Hildesheimerstrasse
> > Hannover
> >
> > look at: www.kirchenbuchamt.de
> >
> > But these records contain the years from the beginning until
> > 1874/75. From
> > then on the "Civil Registry Offices" had to do this work. They give
> >
> > information only to direct descendants of a person.
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > Susanne Schmitz
> > >
> > > I ask this question because a gentleman who lives near Hannover
> > does not
> > > think this way.  He has been to the "Civil Registry Office" for
> > his
> > > information.  Is the "Archives" something different?  Can some one
> > advise
> > > me as to the location of the Archives so I can pass it along to
> > him.
> > > Thank You I await an answer---Bob Marhenke
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Re: [HN] test

Date: 2007/02/24 21:54:31
From: bob marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Hi Loretta,

Thanks for the reply.  Remember I have some Krumwiede connections from
Wenden.  Henry Meyer married Marie Krumwiede prior to 1847 and then
Dorothy Krumwiede prior to 1854. Catherine Marie Krumwiede bn Wenden and
married Friederich Haefemeier before 1814 Steimbke.---Bob

 
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:44:33 -0500 "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow"
<krumbar(a)comcast.net> writes:
> Yes it is, Bob.
> 
> I met Sarah Schamerloh down at the library (ACPL) this morning, and 
> she had 
> some email from you, too, regarding her families. She shared 
> information 
> with me about Wenden, Hagen, Borstel, etc., with me. There were 
> Krumwiede 
> families mentioned throughout.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:51 PM
> Subject: [HN] test
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] MIEHE 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA

Date: 2007/02/25 00:52:31
From: Paddy Lorenz <paddy.ann(a)sbcglobal.net>

Thanks, again. Actually I have those two references and do look for MIEHR regularly. Had forgotten the MERSIE, but it is a good reminder of another variation to look for.
Paddy


----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:22:46 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] MIEHE 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Dear Paddy,

In the minute chance you haven't stumbled upon the Mersie and Miehr 
spelling...:)

Mersie....

Source:
Illinois Online Marriage Index
LORENZ, PETER
MERSIE, MARY HANNAH (MISS)  ******
05/19/1865
005/0022 00004796 MACOUPIN

AND

MIEHR
[MISS JOHANNA MIEHR]

Source:
Portrait and biographical record of Macoupin County, Illinois....
Chicago: Biographical Pub. Co., 1891.
Peter W. Lorenz biography - pgs. 478 & 481

Peter & Mary Hannah/Johanna kids:
George, Charles , Frank, Clara, Anna & Willy.

Johanna , native of Hannover , to U.S. 1848. with parents Henry and 
Elizabeth Miiehr.

Barbie-Lew





LORENZ, PETER
MERSIE, MARY HANNAH (MISS)  ******
05/19/1865
005/0022 00004796 MACOUPIN


The wife of Peter W. Lorenz was Johanna

Hi Bob and Barbie-Lew,
Thanks for the additional information. I have come across the MIEHE's in 
Iowa often in various indices and wondered about a possible connection. Have 
found no indications in Illinois to suggest one, but perhaps a follow-up 
from the Iowa side might help. Bob, do you know if there is any connection?
Paddy

----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:51:37 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


Yes, she was Sophia Christine Henriette Heumann (18 Oct 1835, Söhlde,
Hannover - 29 May 1898, St. Louis, Mo.)

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA


> Dear Paddy & Bob,
>
> Are couple  Miehe bios this title:
>
> Past and present of Fayette County, Iowa
> Indianapolis, Ind.: B.F. Bowen & Co., 1910, 1643 pgs.
>
> This title includes bios of :
>
> Theodore Miehe - ppgs. 1028, 1028a, 1029, 1030
>
> Theiodore Miehe bio states he was born 6 December 1872. He is the son of
> Frederick and SOPHIA (GERIEKER) MIEHE.
>
> On 3 April 1894, Mr. Miehe married Caroline SUNDERMEYER, who was born
> Dubuque county, 29 December 1870, the daughter of JOHN and JOHANNA
> (HEMERANT) SUNDERMEYER, the father born in Hanover and the mother in
Byron.
>
> They? accompanied their parents to America, he when about eleven years
old,
> in 1848; he being born 8 September, 1837, and his death occured on 22
April,
> 1908; Mrs. Sundermeyer was born 19 August 1838 and died March 28, 1908.
>
> Mr. and Mrs. Miehe have four children:
> Roy
> Johnnie F.
> Vera C.
> Walter E.
> ----------------------------------
> Frederick Miehe - ppgs. 1167, 1167a,1168
>
> Frederick Miehe - born 2 June, 1837 Hannover, Germany, the son of CONRAD 
&
> Dorthea Miehe, natives of the provence of Hannover who came to the US in
> 1848....(New Orleans) taking a steamer up the Mississippi and settling in
> Dubuque, Iowa.. Had farm of eighty acres and spent remainder of their
lives
> on the same, the father having been killed by a horse in July, 1865, at
the
> age of seventy-two years. His wife died about May 1865, at the age of
> seventy years. They were the parents of three sons:
>
> Harmon, remained single, died in Harlan township, Fayette county when
> sixty-seven years old; Frederick, of review; William lives in Dubuque
> county, Iowa.
>
> Mentions Frederick lived at family home until age 20, when he purchased a
> farm containing one hundred and twenty-acres, prairie land in Dubuque
> county, and lived there until 1873, when he moved to Fayette county, and
> purchased 320 acres in secton 38 Harlan township, where he still lives. 
At
> that time he also owned a section of land in that township which he had
> purchased before moving to this county.  At one time owned one thousand
> acres in Harlan township.
> He also owned a section of land in KOSSUTH** county, Iowa.
>
> 20 February, 1857 Mr. Miehe married SOPHIA KENNIKE***, who was born in 
the
> province of Hanover, Germany, November 8, 1840. Came to US with
grandparents
> at age 17.  She and Frederick had fourteen children were born, whom 
twelve
> are living at this writing, namely:
> Charles lives at Maynard this county; Hannah is the wife of Henry Lembka,
of
> Harlan township; William of Harlan township; Julia is the wife of John
> Meyer, of Maynard, this county; Fred lives in Swea City, Iowa; August
lives
> in Fayette county; Theodore, whose sketch appears elswhere, lives in
> Smithfield township; Albert lives in Harlan township; Emma is the wife of
> Otto Smith, of Harlan township; John lives on the home farm; Etta is wife
of
> Vern Goodrich, of Austin, Minnesota; Caroline is the wife of Byron
Odekirck
> of Maynard, Iowa.
>
> Fredericks wife SOPHIA died 13 June 1887.
>
> On 7 Octorber 1887 Frederick wed Augusta Faber, born Germany about 1849;
> died about 1901.  No children issued.
> ---------
>
> Not sure if of help but in the minute chance..
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
> Can send .pdf of data..
>
> I think there might be data on some of the lateral names mentioned ^.
>
>
> Bob,
> I agree that Louis Conrad and L.C. Miehe are one and the same and a son 
of
> Carl Georg Miehe. Thanks for his wife's name--I had only Rose from the
> census. I am confused though about who Sophia Heumann is--I thought Carl
> George Miehe married the Henrietta Heumann who came to New Orleans on the
> same ship in  1857 and that Henrietta Heumann was the mother of L.C.
Miehe.
> Paddy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)msm.umr.edu>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:33:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> This must be the L. C. Miehe (son of immigrants Carl Georg Miehe and
Sophia
> Heumann, sister of my great-grandma) who married Rosa Magdalene 
Sauerbrey.
>
> Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Miehe 1809-1882 Hannover to Illinois USA
>
>
> Dear Paddy,
>
> Misssouri State archives has online death cert. for a Louis Conrad Miehe.
> His occupations is listed as St. Louis Furniture Workers Association.  
His
> father name Charles, mom Henriette.
>
> The 1880 census with this circa 1807 Henry with and Catherine list 
Henry's
> occupation as a retired carpenter.
>
> The 1880 census with a Fredric Miehe, wife Rebecca lists his occupation 
as
> farmer..and that he was born Prussia.  Rebecca born Indiana.
>
> I think interesting that the Henry of  the  Henry/catherine Miehe couple
> from Macoupin used to be a carpenter and the St. Louis Miehe's were
> carpenters/furniture makers.  Perhaps this is a clue?
>
> Barbie-Lew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> J b:
> Thank you so much, particularly for the specific FHL references. I had
> checked some but not nearly all of the ones you suggest. Very helpful.
> Most of my information so far has come from census data in Macoupin
County,
> obits, and records of the old German Evangelical Lutheran Church.
> Fortunately, when the church "disappeared", the original record books, in
> German, were preserved by an existing church in Carlinville.
> The church records were the only place where I found a clue linking the
two
> families. At the baptism of one of John Henry Frederick Miehe's children
the
> witnesses were Peter Lorenz (son-in-law of Henry Miehe and my ggfather)
and
> a Frau Wilhelmina Miehe (I'm relatively sure she was a dau-in-law of 
Henry
> Miehe).
> There were several other Miehe's in Macoupin County, Illinois and some in
> St. Louis, Missouri, that I have been unable to connect in any way. But I
> agree with you, there were so few Miehe and Mieher families in the US at
the
> time that proximity certainly suggests relationship.
> Paddy
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Re: [HN] Hotoph Wendhausen

Date: 2007/02/25 09:43:46
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

<susanneromeike(a)aol.com> schrieb:
> Liebe Mitstreiter,
> ich suche Informationen über die Familie Hotoph. Meine bisherigen Erkenntnisse:
>  
> Johann Heinrich Wilhelm Hotoph, geb. 1824 in Wendhausen 
> heiratet Johanne Marie Christine Elisabeth Roffmann.
> Ihre gemeinsame Tochter Johanne Wilhelmine Augusta heiratet 1871 im heutigen Bremerhaven.
> Kann mir jemand etwas über die Hotophs aus Wendhausen berichten?
> Ich bedanke mich schon jetzt und wünsche allen ein schönes Wochenende.
> Susanne 

Hallo Susanne Romeike,

es gibt drei verschiedene Wendhausen, eines davon im Kreis Lüneburg. In der Region hat der Name HOTOP wohl einzig in der Stadt Lüneburg selbst überdauert, so dass, wenn dieses Wendhausen  mit der PLZ 21400 gemeint ist, in den Lüneburger HOTOP Nachfahren der HOTOPH aus Wendhausen vermutet werden könnten. Das Lüneburger Adressbuch 2005/6 weist 5 Einträge HOTOP aus, 4 davon sind Im Kamp 7 zu finden. Vielleicht hilft der Kontakt mit dieser familie HOTOP weiter.

beste Grüße aus Bienenbüttel

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Re: [HN] Familien Pagendarm

Date: 2007/02/25 13:39:50
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Hallo Herr Pagendarm,
 
eine Familie Pagendarm lebte in Ahausen. Dort ging der sogenannte  
"Clausenhof" ca. Mitte des 18. Jahrhunderts über in den Besitz einer Frau  Pagendarm 
geb. Brahden. Sie war die Frau eines Pastors und Schwester des  Christoph Henrich 
(Hinrich) Brahden. Dieser war Besitzer des Guts Stelle und  auch des Clau
senhofs in Ahausen. Unter ihm gerieten beide Höfe  in Konkurs.
 
Frau Pagendarm überliess den Clausenhof ihrem ältesten Sohn Johann Conrad  
Pagendarm.
Der Name wurde dann im Laufe der Zeit in "Pagendarms Hof" geändert.
 
siehe auch: Johann Gätjen, Die Ahausener Hof- und Hausnamen, in:  Rotenburger 
Schriften, Heft 25, Rotenburg 1966, S. 16
 
Falls interessiert, scanne ich diese Seite gerne ein und sende sie  direkt.
 
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Albin von Spreckelsen
,
   

[HN] Hotoph/Roffmann

Date: 2007/02/25 15:13:35
From: susanneromeike <susanneromeike(a)aol.com>

Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder,
dank der Hilfe eines Mitglieds kann ich nun die Suche nach der Familie Hotoph etwas konkretisieren.
 
Johann Heinrich Wilhelm Hotoph Schäferknecht gebürtig aus Lochtun bei Vienenburg hat 1823 in Wendhausen Johanne Marie Christine Elisabeth Roffmann aus Kemme geheiratet. Die Roffmann-Linie ist ziemlich klar - allein nur die Hotoph-Familie ist schwer zu klären. Hat jemand vielleicht noch näheres zu berichten?
Vielen Dank und Gruß
Susanne
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[HN] Rosenthal/ Kirchhoff

Date: 2007/02/26 16:01:35
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Geburtsdaten, Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Henrich David ROSENTHAL * um 1710 wo? Beruf Obermüller vielleicht in Bovenden Ehefrau: Barbara Henrica Gertraut KIRCHHOFF * 15-2-1719 in Einbeck, + 12-7-1757 in Bovenden
Kind :
Johann Friedrich Rosenthal  * 12-4-1740 in Bovenden, + 20-3-1803 in Bovenden

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






[HN] Regiment "von Imhoff" ??: Suche Musterungsrollen, Soldatenlisten etc. 18. JH.

Date: 2007/02/26 23:08:54
From: Reinhard J. Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
welcher Quellen (Literatur, Archive, Internet etc) kann ich
mich bedienen, um personenkundliche Daten zu Personen in
Militärdiensten zu finden.
Gibt es, ähnlich wie zum ADEL, spezielle Foren oder
Mailinglisten?

Ein Beispiel von vielen unter meinen Vorfahren

Heinrich Christoph Adolf GRAUE Grove, evang.
* 1727 (err.)
+ nach Oktober 1790

Konfirmation    1740      in Linse Krs. Holzminden KB Halle

Urk. 1758. 1760, 1763 Soldat, Musketier.  1760 Soldat
"unterm Imhofschen Regiment".  Heinrich Christoph Graue ist
1740 in Linse (KB Halle) konfirmiert; die Familie lebt ab
1760  wieder in Linse (Taufe 1. Kind) und ist dann zwischen
1763 und 1765 von Linse nach Heinrichshagen gezogen; läßt ab
1765 in Heinrichshagen taufen; urk. 1768 KB Kirchbrak als
Musquetier; urk. KB Halle 10.2.1778 als "vormaliger Soldat
zu Heinrichshagen"; urk. 1782 Einwohnerverzeichnis
Heinrichshagen als Häusling als "Mann und Frauen" mit 2
Söhnen über 14 J. 1 So. und 1 To. unter 14 J.; urk. am
24.10.1790 KB Kirchbrak "Einwohner zu Heinrichshagen


Gibt es “Soldatenlisten”, “Musterungsrollen”  mit Herkunft
und Alter?

Ist bekannt, wann und wo die hannöverschen Regimenter
einquartiert waren?

So würde man weitere Mosaiksteine  im “Lebenslaufpuzzle”
zusammentragen können.



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Re: [HN] Regiment "von Imhoff" ??: Suche Musterungsrollen, Soldatenlisten etc. 18. JH.

Date: 2007/02/27 05:49:50
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Moin Reinhard, 

Joerg Walter, Personengeschichtliche Quellen in den Militaria-Bestaenden des
Niedersaechsischen Hauptstaatsarchivs in Hannover, Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht,
Goettingen, 1979
kennt das Regiment NICHT 

Gruss 

Falk (Liebezeit)
Diepholz

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Reinhard J. Freytag
Gesendet: Montag, 26. Februar 2007 23:08
An: HANNOVER-L(a)genealogy.net; FAMNORD(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Regiment "von Imhoff" ??: Suche Musterungsrollen,
Soldatenlisten etc. 18. JH.

Hallo,
welcher Quellen (Literatur, Archive, Internet etc) kann ich mich bedienen,
um personenkundliche Daten zu Personen in Militärdiensten zu finden.
Gibt es, ähnlich wie zum ADEL, spezielle Foren oder Mailinglisten?

Ein Beispiel von vielen unter meinen Vorfahren

Heinrich Christoph Adolf GRAUE Grove, evang.
* 1727 (err.)
+ nach Oktober 1790

Konfirmation    1740      in Linse Krs. Holzminden KB Halle

Urk. 1758. 1760, 1763 Soldat, Musketier.  1760 Soldat "unterm Imhofschen
Regiment".  Heinrich Christoph Graue ist 1740 in Linse (KB Halle)
konfirmiert; die Familie lebt ab 1760  wieder in Linse (Taufe 1. Kind) und
ist dann zwischen
1763 und 1765 von Linse nach Heinrichshagen gezogen; läßt ab
1765 in Heinrichshagen taufen; urk. 1768 KB Kirchbrak als Musquetier; urk.
KB Halle 10.2.1778 als "vormaliger Soldat zu Heinrichshagen"; urk. 1782
Einwohnerverzeichnis Heinrichshagen als Häusling als "Mann und Frauen" mit 2
Söhnen über 14 J. 1 So. und 1 To. unter 14 J.; urk. am 24.10.1790 KB
Kirchbrak "Einwohner zu Heinrichshagen


Gibt es “Soldatenlisten”, “Musterungsrollen”  mit Herkunft und Alter?

Ist bekannt, wann und wo die hannöverschen Regimenter einquartiert waren?

So würde man weitere Mosaiksteine  im “Lebenslaufpuzzle”
zusammentragen können.



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[HN] Gotthard/Garner

Date: 2007/02/27 17:02:44
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?

Ich suche nach Eltern
Meine vorliegenden Daten:
Hans GOTTHARD * um 1605, + 2-3-1676 in Gross-Lengden, Beruf: Förster auf Niedeck, Heirat am 13-1-1628 in Gross-Lengden mit
Ottilia GARMER * um 1609, + 6-1-1685 in Gross-Lengden
Kinder: Henrich , Anna ,Maria,  Margar., Valentin

Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn






[HN] Correct spelling??

Date: 2007/02/27 18:52:31
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

Is the 'Americanized' version of Prussia spelled as Preussen or Pruessen?
My brain is not working today.  I can not remember the rule when the
location / word has an 'umlet' above the "U".

Bonita
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Arizona, USA 



Re: [HN] Correct spelling??

Date: 2007/02/27 20:32:01
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>

 
Americanized: Prussia is the country, Prussian is the inhabitant.Bobbi

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Re: [HN] Correct spelling??

Date: 2007/02/27 21:28:40
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

I assume you mean the German version of Prussia, which is Preuße. There is
no umlaut over the "u" but there is an "ß" for the "ss". The plural of
Preuße would be Preußen.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of LadyBonita (USA)
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: 'Hannover-L'
> Subject: [HN] Correct spelling??
> 
> Is the 'Americanized' version of Prussia spelled as Preussen or Pruessen?
> My brain is not working today.  I can not remember the rule when the
> location / word has an 'umlet' above the "U".
> 
> Bonita
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Re: [HN] Correct spelling??

Date: 2007/02/27 21:28:42
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"LadyBonita (USA)" <ladybonita(a)usa.com> schrieb:
> Is the 'Americanized' version of Prussia spelled as Preussen or Pruessen?
> My brain is not working today.  I can not remember the rule when the
> location / word has an 'umlet' above the "U".
> 
> Bonita
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> Lady Bonita
> Arizona, USA 
> 
Hello Bonita,

the correct german spelling is "Preussen". There is no Umlaut.

Regards
Wilfried (Petersen).


Re: [HN] Correct spelling??

Date: 2007/02/27 21:41:42
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

Thanks to everyone for helping me ... I do understand now.


[HN] Ahnenforschug

Date: 2007/02/27 21:50:54
From: Bep Hillebregt <bephill(a)wanadoo.nl>

Geachte lezer ik ben op zoek naar de voorvader van mijn man , het gaat om ;

(Adriaan) Hermanus Hillebregt geboren ca. 1730-1750 te Dethmolth 

Canonnier van de compagnie Artillerie van de Heere Capitein Hasse, in garnizoen te Willemstad Nederland

Trouwt in Nederland met  Willemina Abelse (Abelzen) geboren te Dordrecht Nederland 


En wie weet er meer over over ;

Jan Michiel Hillebregt geboren in Trabe, in't Hanovere .


Met vriendelijke groeten Bep Hillebregt - Zuiderwijk

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[HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State, Kreis was it in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Date: 2007/02/27 22:43:03
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

I know this is probably a very stupid question but I need some help.  

As I go through the census, the immigrants would give their place of birth
like: Bavaria, Bohemia, Bayern, Pommern, Hesse, Hesse-Kasel, Prussia,
Hannover, Germany, etc.

To add to my confusion, sometimes I have a village name only.  I use GEO to
determine where the village is TODAY ... but, how can I determine what the
correct STATE was in the 1700-1900 with all the changes.

Does anyone know of a cross-reference that would indicate what the STATE or
KREIS is today and what Country (Kingdom), State/Region and Kreis that it
was in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Bonita
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Lady Bonita
Arizona, USA 


Re: [HN] Correct spelling??

Date: 2007/02/27 22:54:53
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Paul Scheele" <pfsco1(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
> I assume you mean the German version of Prussia, which is Preuße. There is
> no umlaut over the "u" but there is an "ß" for the "ss". The plural of
> Preuße would be Preußen.
> 
> Paul
> 
Hello,

that's not quite correct.

The spelling of the country is "Preussen" or "Preußen".

One inhabitant is a "Preuße" or "Preusse", severals are "Preußen" or "Preussen"..

Regards
Wilfried (Petersen)


Re: [HN] Correct spelling??

Date: 2007/02/28 01:13:03
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

My apologies. You are quite right.

Paul

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> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Wilfried Petersen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:54 PM
> To: Hannover-L
> Subject: Re: [HN] Correct spelling??
> 
> "Paul Scheele" <pfsco1(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
> > I assume you mean the German version of Prussia, which is Preuße. There
> is
> > no umlaut over the "u" but there is an "ß" for the "ss". The plural of
> > Preuße would be Preußen.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> Hello,
> 
> that's not quite correct.
> 
> The spelling of the country is "Preussen" or "Preußen".
> 
> One inhabitant is a "Preuße" or "Preusse", severals are "Preußen" or
> "Preussen"..
> 
> Regards
> Wilfried (Petersen)
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Re: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State, Kreis was it in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Date: 2007/02/28 01:20:42
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

Try this site. http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html

It may solve part of your problem but keeping up with all of the changes
over a 200 year period is a very big challenge.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of LadyBonita (USA)
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:44 PM
> To: 'Hannover-L'
> Subject: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State,Kreis was
> it in during the 1700-early 1900s?
> 
> I know this is probably a very stupid question but I need some help.
> 
> As I go through the census, the immigrants would give their place of birth
> like: Bavaria, Bohemia, Bayern, Pommern, Hesse, Hesse-Kasel, Prussia,
> Hannover, Germany, etc.
> 
> To add to my confusion, sometimes I have a village name only.  I use GEO
> to
> determine where the village is TODAY ... but, how can I determine what the
> correct STATE was in the 1700-1900 with all the changes.
> 
> Does anyone know of a cross-reference that would indicate what the STATE
> or
> KREIS is today and what Country (Kingdom), State/Region and Kreis that it
> was in during the 1700-early 1900s?
> 
> Bonita
>              \\\|///
>            \\  ~ ~  //
>             (  @ @  )
>       ----oOOo-(_)-oOOo---- Just Lurking ...
> 
> Lady Bonita
> Arizona, USA
> 
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Re: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State, Kreis was it in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Date: 2007/02/28 02:57:19
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Lady Bonita,

Great Gram was born in Illinois but her parents were immigrants. Her parents, her fathers parents and at least two of her fathers siblings eventually came to U.S.A.

Depending on what year census and which head of household (father, fathers sibs, fathers parents) I look at.... Have seen Prussia, Posen, German-Poland listed as birth place.

1930 she gives Austira-Poland as parents place of birth...though I think perhaps she meant her mother..as her father was deceased by this time..

I think possible that census takers listed origin by territory name during that census year.

Barbie-Lew

P.S. Bayern/Bavaria are same place, just as Brunswick/Braunschwieg same place.





I know this is probably a very stupid question but I need some help.

As I go through the census, the immigrants would give their place of birth
like: Bavaria, Bohemia, Bayern, Pommern, Hesse, Hesse-Kasel, Prussia,
Hannover, Germany, etc.

To add to my confusion, sometimes I have a village name only.  I use GEO to
determine where the village is TODAY ... but, how can I determine what the
correct STATE was in the 1700-1900 with all the changes.

Does anyone know of a cross-reference that would indicate what the STATE or
KREIS is today and what Country (Kingdom), State/Region and Kreis that it
was in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Bonita
             \\\|///
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            (  @ @  )
      ----oOOo-(_)-oOOo---- Just Lurking ...

Lady Bonita
Arizona, USA

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Re: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State, Kreis was it in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Date: 2007/02/28 09:02:30
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Paul Scheele wrote:
It may solve part of your problem but keeping up with all of the changes
over a 200 year period is a very big challenge.

To keep up with many of these changes, the definitive guide to tap is Meyers Gazetteer. This guide helps identify and verify German localities using the 1871 German Empire as a template. Keeping in mind many of the German kingdoms, provinces and duchies used different names for their governmental districts, Meyers will help pinpoint the districts for each village, as well as the type of district to which village or town belonged (regional, county seat, civil registry office, etc.).

You can find the following information in a typical Meyers locality entry:

• The name of the kingdom, province, or duchy to which the town belonged
• The name of the county seat to which the town belonged
• The names of the places where district, court, military, and civil registry records were kept, if the town did not keep them
• The denomination of the church if a parish was in the town

Meyers Gazetteer is available in book, microfilm and microfiche versions. Many LDS FHC's [Family History Centers] and some larger city libraries keep a copy of this gazetteer on film or fiche as part of their permanent collection (with added luck, one may have it in book form). Simple look up the title in the FHLC [Family History Library Catalog], then tap one of the center's volunteers to see where they might have it in house. If it's not available, film or fiche copies can be ordered from SLC and kept on a 3 or 6 week loan basis locally.

A few additional reminders: A few German cities have the same name as the province or duchy to which they belong, examples being Braunschweig, Hannover and Brandenburg. This factor alone accounts for untold confusion when it comes to pinpointing ancestral locales, as many have come to discover on H-L alone. You will also notice many cities and villages with the same name listed in the book only differing in the state or province to which they belong. One should keep in mind not all German localities are listed in the Meyers gazetteer, but my use of them over the years suggests these occurrences are few and far between.

Background

The Meyers gazetteer was published in 1912 as a guide to German localities. In the 1920's the Zentralstelle für Personnen- und Familiengeschichte (Center for Personal and Family History) at Leipzig collected pedigrees and used Meyers to verify every locality on the pedigrees. These pedigrees then went into the "Ahnenstammkartei"(Ancestral Pedigree Index).

Meyers Orts-und Verkehrs-Lexikon des Deutschen Reichs
Erich Uetrecht (editor)
Deutschland (1871) - Ortsverzeichnisse
Leipzig: Bibliographisches Institut, 1912-1913
29 Mikrofiches

Hope this helps. Now get off yer keesters and get on down to an FHC and do it right. ;)

Jb

From: "Paul Scheele" <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State?
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:19:55 -0700

Try this site. http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html

It may solve part of your problem but keeping up with all of the changes
over a 200 year period is a very big challenge.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:44 PM
> To: 'Hannover-L'
> Subject: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State?
>
> I know this is probably a very stupid question but I need some help.
>
> As I go through the census, the immigrants would give their place of birth
> like: Bavaria, Bohemia, Bayern, Pommern, Hesse, Hesse-Kasel, Prussia,
> Hannover, Germany, etc.
>
> To add to my confusion, sometimes I have a village name only.  I use GEO
> to
> determine where the village is TODAY ... but, how can I determine what the
> correct STATE was in the 1700-1900 with all the changes.
>
> Does anyone know of a cross-reference that would indicate what the STATE
> or
> KREIS is today and what Country (Kingdom), State/Region and Kreis that it
> was in during the 1700-early 1900s?
>
> Bonita
>              \\\|///
>            \\  ~ ~  //
>             (  @ @  )
>       ----oOOo-(_)-oOOo---- Just Lurking ...
>
> Lady Bonita
> Arizona, USA

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Re: [HN] Stupid Question PS

Date: 2007/02/28 09:33:42
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

PS. To be specific Bonita, there is no handy dandy or golden bullet guide that will document the hundreds of years you're looking for in any succinct or tidy fashion. That is why Meyers is considered the definitive reference source, based on its thoroughness and also because it uses the founding of the modern German state as it's ultimate focal point. Lucky for us, as it helps - in nearly lockstep fashion - with the tracing back of so many of our German immigrant ancestors at this critical juncture (the very period in which emigration from Deutschland peaked).

Jb

Lady Bonita wrote:
Does anyone know of a cross-reference that would indicate what the
STATE or KREIS is today and what Country (Kingdom), State/Region
 and Kreis that it was in during the 1700-early 1900s?

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Re: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State, Kreis was it in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Date: 2007/02/28 11:32:00
From: Nikolaus Ordemann <n.ordemann(a)infocity.de>

Hi LadyBonita and others,
I know this is probably a very stupid question but I need some help.
As I go through the census, the immigrants would give their place of birth
like: Bavaria, Bohemia, Bayern, Pommern, Hesse, Hesse-Kasel, Prussia,
Hannover, Germany, etc.

To add to my confusion, sometimes I have a village name only.  I use GEO to
determine where the village is TODAY ... but, how can I determine what the
correct STATE was in the 1700-1900 with all the changes.

Does anyone know of a cross-reference that would indicate what the STATE or
KREIS is today and what Country (Kingdom), State/Region and Kreis that it
was in during the 1700-early 1900s?
this is no "stupid question" at all!
Try the site http://gov.genealogy.net - working 100 % in German, multilinguality is in initial stage.

Nikolaus (Ordemann)

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[HN] Eyferth - Heuber/Herder - Goertz/Görtz

Date: 2007/02/28 11:36:18
From: C. Haupt <haupt-researcher(a)online.de>

Hallo,

Ich suche ergänzende Informationen über die Geschwister:

1. Martha EYFERTH, * vermtl. Wolfenbüttel
2. Adolf EYFERTH, * vermtl. Wolfenbüttel, Kaufmann
3. Margarethe EYFERTH, * vermtl. Wolfenbüttel, oo Heuber (o. Herder?), 3 Kinder
4. Franz, * vermtl. Wolfenbüttel, verh., 5 Kinder (Franz, Barbara und 3 weitere)
5. Paul EYFERTH, * 25.06.1872 in Wolfenbüttel, + 08.10.1956 in Bad Harzburg (mein Urgroßvater) -- von dem habe ich fast alles...

Eltern:
Adolf EYFERTH, * 19.02.1824 in Tanne, +21.10.1899 in Wolfenbüttel, Advokat
Cäcilie GOERTZ (GÖRTZ), * 20.02.1834 in Schöppenstedt, + 01.05.1901 in Wolfenbüttel


Christoph Haupt



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Re: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State, Kreis was it in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Date: 2007/02/28 15:27:03
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

Excellent site .. thanks for recommending.

I did find Meyer's Gazetteer on Ancestry.com which I have a subscription.
It has scanned images of each page.  The down side it is in Old Gothic
Script which for a person who knows very little German, is almost impossible
to decipher.  I can pick out a few words that I recognize, but the
abbreviations are very difficult.  Does anyone have an English translation
of at least the abbreviations?

I did see that http://www.bamm.com had a 2003 version .. I am thinking it
might be an English translation published in 2000/2003, but it is over
US$300.  Much out of my price range.

I did download all the maps as suggested and hopefully that will help me as
well.

I am trying to make my recording of each location as accurate as possible.
I was trying to give the original name/location as well as the current.  I
have traced my HILLMER (and others) back to the early 1700s, so it keeps
changing.  

I have used GEO which I love since I can just send an email with all the
village names and it comes back with an English translation of all the
current information.  My software does allow for latitude and longitude so I
am tempted to record it for posterity.

Thanks for everyone's help ... any suggestions or comments are ALWAYS
welcome.

Bonita Hillmer
Arizona, USA

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From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Nikolaus Ordemann
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:32 AM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] Stupid Question ... What Kingdom, Country, State, Kreis
was it in during the 1700-early 1900s?

Hi LadyBonita and others,
this is no "stupid question" at all!
Try the site http://gov.genealogy.net - working 100 % in German, 
multilinguality is in initial stage.

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