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[HN] Thofehrn/Thofern familie

Date: 2005/10/30 21:11:05
From: PAULO THOFEHRN <pthofehrn(a)hotmail.com>

Hallo!
Ich schaue alle mögliche Informationen über Thofehrn/Thofern Familie. Paulo Thofehrn von Brasilein

[HN] seemann

Date: 2005/10/31 23:33:15
From: jackie mccarty <jackie_44_2000(a)yahoo.com>

Iam looking for information for a Philip Seemann, I believe he came from hannover, germany.
 
i dont have to much information on him, but i believe he is my ggggrandfather, he had some sons, i think they came over to new york with another family on the Buchmeier side.
 
i think he came over in 1807 or was born , married to maragret i have no last name
 
had a son Henirich seemann on july 7 1843 in hannover. 
 
if anyone can help me on this information for my family tree i would very thankful and if there anything i can help with let me know.
 
thank you
Jackie

		
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[HN] Re: ?No help?

Date: 2005/11/01 04:03:56
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Ginny:  You might try "Germans to America" at whatever library near you has them.  They often (but not always) list the home town.   Remember, Hannover was a big kingdom in those days.  Also did he come with any siblings?  Some of their records might show the town.  Good luck.   Jane


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RE: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/01 05:19:49
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear Ginny,

Sinse Meyer such a common surname you might begiin your search with your grandmother Meyer's maiden name especially if the name is less common. Sinse they immigrated after they were married its worth concidering that they might have origins from bordering villiages or even the same villiage.

Where did they evenutally settle in the U.S.? If you study the census records (especially samaller U.S. towns) you'll find that many immigrant families share similar origins. They often came in groups or/or put down roots in the towns where friends, neighbors, or relatives that also immigrated and wrote home about.

Old county historys even without individual biograhies often report waves of immigration of various nationalities, which can be helpful. If the town historys mentions circa 1850-1855 came to ..... town many people from the Kingdom of Hannover. Then if all else faiils you can study census' and look for other immigrant families with less common surname living nearby who originated from Hannover and glean info that way.

Definately, definately try to discover as much information in the U.S. records as possible first.

Warmest Regards,
Barbie

P.S. I have the surname Meyer in my tree paternally, maternally as well as kissin cousins...:)....and .for the most part...have no firm data on origins.

....


From: "Ginny C" <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] ? No help?
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:32:37 -0700

Mid-September I posted the message below. I had one response asking about me what town in Hannover my ancestor was from. I have no idea how to find that answer. Does anyone know where I should begin?
Thanks,
Ginny in AZ
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Recently I learned that my great great grandfather, Henry William Meyer (b. 1827), came from Hannover. He had 3 children born in Germany according to the U.S. 1870 Census-- Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b. 1854). His next child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am assuming that he immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am quite sure that this family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly appreciate any help in trying to find birth or marriage records of this family. I do not know German, but my husband is able to do a little translating for me. Thanks for any help you can give.
Ginny in Arizona



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Re: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/01 05:29:05
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Ginny,

Perhaps you could locate where your ancestors were buried. Maybe one of your family members has knowledge of family grave plot. Sometimes the cemetery records also list age of deceased, date of burial and undertaker. Perhaps the funeral home is still in business or have donated their burial records to a local archive. If so..you might even find a copy of the death certificate in the funeral home records.

Barbie-Lew a.k.a. CactusFlower
St. Louis, Mo.


From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>



Re: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/01 05:29:11
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Ginny,

Perhaps you could locate where your ancestors were buried. Maybe one of your family members has knowledge of family grave plot. Sometimes the cemetery records also list age of deceased, date of burial and undertaker. Perhaps the funeral home is still in business or have donated their burial records to a local archive. If so..you might even find a copy of the death certificate in the funeral home records.

Barbie-Lew a.k.a. CactusFlower
St. Louis, Mo.


From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>



RE: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/01 06:07:08
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Ginny,

The way I discovered the names of my GG's was by locating my gggrandparents civil marriage record filed with the city recorder which noted the church they were married in. With the name of church in hand I was able to view that churches marriage record and obtain the parents names...not only that..I was then able to view baptismal records of their children and the names of the sponsers.

If you ancestors had more than one child chances are very good you will be able to discover the maiden name of female parent...even if you must start with your own parents, their parents and any siblings they may have.

Something I found really neat was locating an ancestor on the 1880 Family Search census online and being able to view entire households. Enumerated on the same page (I believe) was data on at least 2 other familes who (I believe) were baptismal sponsers to my ancestors kids...

Barbie-Lew
St. Louis





From: "Ginny C" <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] ? No help?
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:32:37 -0700

Mid-September I posted the message below. I had one response asking about me what town in Hannover my ancestor was from. I have no idea how to find that answer. Does anyone know where I should begin?
Thanks,
Ginny in AZ
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Recently I learned that my great great grandfather, Henry William Meyer (b. 1827), came from Hannover. He had 3 children born in Germany according to the U.S. 1870 Census-- Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b. 1854). His next child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am assuming that he immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am quite sure that this family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly appreciate any help in trying to find birth or marriage records of this family. I do not know German, but my husband is able to do a little translating for me. Thanks for any help you can give.
Ginny in Arizona



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Re: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/01 06:18:21
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Listies,

I have also seen Charlotte as Charlotta. I think spelling depends on the person creating the record.

One of my surnames is Feldhaus. I have seen the name in 1880 (2enumerations) Felthaus and Feldhaus. In 1870 the name was spelled Pheldhouse....lol :)


I think Meyer is especially hard. You might find Meyer, Meyers, Meier, Meiers, Myer, Myers and perhaps even Mayars. ..lol

Barbie


From: <gale(a)bosche.info>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] ? No help?
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:28:13 -0500

Wow Ginny, that is like looking for John Smith in the
States!!

First, lets look at the names:

Henry William Meyer will probably be Heinrich Willhelm.
Mary will probably be Marie.
Fred will probably be Friedrich or Friederich.
I have seen Charlotte, but not often. More often, I have
seen it spelled Scharlotte.
As for Caroline, I don't recall ever seeing it in German
lists.  Also, remember, people can spell their names
however they want to.

I agree with Neil in that church records are probably the
best source for you, unless you can nail down emigration,
immigration and or ships lists.  You do have an advantage
here.  That is the year almost has to be 1854--two
children born that year, one in  Germany (Prussia) and one
in the States.*   Also, records made prior to 1871 will
probably refer to Prussia.  Here is an URL: which might help:
 CastleGarden.org

With respect to church records, work on the three children
who were born in Germany.  Confirmation and marriage
records do many times reveal home towns.

When looking at church records, pay attention to the
godparents, witnesses, etc. who participated at church
events.  Chances are good that they may have come from the
same area in Germany.

*I just noted that you used the 1870 census for your information. I do not believe that birth dates were given on that census, just the age at the time the census was taken. In other words if the census was taken June 26, 1870 and it states a child was 5 years old, it could mean that he was born June 26, 1865 or as far back as June 27, 1864. Either way, he would still be 5 years old on the date of the census. I would not stick to 1854 as being the year of immigration, but use a three year window.

Gale

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:32:37 -0700
 "Ginny C" <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com> wrote:
Mid-September I posted the message below. I had one response asking about me what town in Hannover my ancestor was from. I have no idea how to find that answer. Does anyone know where I should begin?
Thanks,
Ginny in AZ
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Recently I learned that my great great grandfather, Henry William Meyer (b. 1827), came from Hannover. He had 3 children born in Germany according to the U.S. 1870 Census-- Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b. 1854). His next child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am assuming that he immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am quite sure that this family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly appreciate any help in trying to find birth or marriage records of this family. I do not know German, but my husband is able to do a little translating for me. Thanks for any help you can give.
Ginny in Arizona



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[HN] Richter

Date: 2005/11/01 10:38:51
From: Rikus Kaijer <rikusk(a)iinet.net.au>

Dear All,

Thank you all very much for your information regarding my question of birth names.
It has been most helpful.

Greetings Rikus Kaijer.

Re: [HN] seemann

Date: 2005/11/01 22:53:57
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Jackie,
      
      The Hannover emigration archives list these Seemann names:

PERS    Seemann, Anton Dietrich Heinrich    13457
PERS    Seemann, Chr.    13458
PERS    Seemann, Dietrich Heinrich Christian    13460
PERS    Seemann, Dorothee    13459
PERS    Seemann, Dorothee Marie    13457
PERS    Seemann, Friedrich Ernst    18882
PERS    Seemann, Heinrich Conrad Friedrich August    13459
PERS    Seemann, Heinrich Friedrich Christian Philipp    13457
PERS    Seemann, Johann Heinrich    13459
PERS    Seemann, Margarethe    13460
PERS    Seemann, Philipp    13460

     These are all shown (except for Friedrich) as coming from Neustadt/Rbg.
There are many German towns by the name of Neustadt, but I would guess that
this particular one refers to a town called Neustadt am Rübenberge.  That is
located just northwest of the city of Hannover. The number code for each
one, except for Friedrich Ernst, point to the town of Neustadt/Rbg.
Friederich is from Wennigsen which is just to the southwest of the city of
Hannover. 

    You can order the records from the Hannover archives - they will give
you more information (birthdate, parents, occupation, etc) about them.  They
are usually about $30 apiece.  However, if you think this is some of your
family, you may decide just to pursue more information about them, knowing
that Neustadt is their place of origin.  Of course, this is not a guarantee
that this is the right family.

   By the way, the Hannover emigration records show this for Buchmeier:

PERS    Buchmeier, Heinrich Christian    15316
PERS    Buchmeier, Johann Friedrich Conrad    15317
    They are from Springe, which is not far from Wennigsen, southwest of the
city of Hannover. 

    You might also look at the records on this website for the name Seemann:
http://meta.genealogy.net/metasuche/index.jsp
    There are many Seemann listed there in Ortsfamilienbuchs (and other
sources) which can be very helpful.  It is unfortunate that the LDS do not
have the church records for Neustadt.

     There are 6 listings in the German telephone book for Seemann in
Neustadt am Rübenberge today.

Good luck,
Barbara

     




on 10/31/05 3:33 PM, jackie mccarty at jackie_44_2000(a)yahoo.com wrote:

> Iam looking for information for a Philip Seemann, I believe he came from
> hannover, germany.
> 
> i dont have to much information on him, but i believe he is my ggggrandfather,
> he had some sons, i think they came over to new york with another family on
> the Buchmeier side.
> 
> i think he came over in 1807 or was born , married to maragret i have no last
> name
> 
> had a son Henirich seemann on july 7 1843 in hannover.
> 
> if anyone can help me on this information for my family tree i would very
> thankful and if there anything i can help with let me know.
> 
> thank you
> Jackie
> 
> 
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[HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/02 10:51:25
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Goden Dach leve Lüd,

ick wull jüm dat mol wiesen. Dor is ein plattdüütsch "wickipedia"
http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6%C3%B6ftsiet

Kunn ween, dat nüms een dat wuss hätt un nu mool dor rinkeeken wull.
Dor kannst bannich veel bi lern und dat best is, dat man dor ock
sülm mitmaaken kunn.

Nu hepp wi all November und dat wart kold butten. Dat is de
Tied von „Kohl un Pinkel“ un daarbi lett sik heel good över ole
Tieden snacken, as Opa und Oma ehr Hochtied fiern dähn un wat de
noch alns wussen vun de Familie, von dat Dörp wat du nich in de
Karkenböker finn kannst. Man bi Gröönkohl un en lütten Kloarn,
doar is jedereen ant Vertelln.

Veel Spaas bi Ahnenforschung mit de plattdüütsch Lüüd.

Klaus (Vahlbruch)
*****************************************************************


"Moin un willkamen bi de plattdüütsche (neddersassisch un
oostnedderdüütsch) Utgaav vun Wikipedia.

De Wikipedia is en free Nokieksel in mehr as 100 Spraken, wo jedereen
an mitwarken kann. Man to! Schriev rin, wenn du wat weetst.
Kiek na bi de Infos för Niege un bi Hülp. Siet April 2003 is de
plattdüütsche Utgaav vun de Wikipedia an't Wassen un hett in dissen
Momang 1.931 Artikels."

      "Hinweis für alle, die nicht Plattdeutsch (Niedersächsisch
      und Ostniederdeutsch) sprechen. Dies ist die plattdeutsche
      (niedersächsische und ostniederdeutsche) Wikipedia.
      Plattdeutsch ist eine Sprache, die von schätzungsweise
      12 bis 15 Millionen Menschen in allen Erdteilen außer
      der Antarktis gesprochen wird. Das ursprüngliche
      Verbreitungsgebiet liegt zwischen dem IJsselmeer und der Memel
      und umfasst Teile der Niederlande, Norddeutschlands, Süddänemarks
      und Westpolens."

"Information for all non Low Saxon and East Low German native
speakers. This is the Low Saxon and East Low German (plattdüütsch)
Wikipedia. The pair are closely related languages (you could also
say that they both form a single language) and are spoken by 12 - 15
million people on all continents except Antarctica. The native
area is between the IJsselmeer and north west Poland, covering
parts of the Netherlands, southern Denmark, northern Germany and
what is now western Poland. The language is also closely related
to other Low German languages (like Dutch), and to English;
both of which developed from Old Low German."


Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/02 17:08:06
From: Neil Heimsoth <heimat(a)iland.net>

Goden Dag Klaus, un veel mals'n dank....dat is gans wunnerbor.
Tschuess von Neil in Cole Camp, Missouri, wo Platt noch wohnt!
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NLF-Vereinsliste" <nlf(a)genealogy.net>; "Hannover-L"
<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:51 AM
Subject: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!


> Goden Dach leve Lüd,
>
> ick wull jüm dat mol wiesen. Dor is ein plattdüütsch "wickipedia"
> > http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6%C3%B6ftsiet
>
> Kunn ween, dat nüms een dat wuss hätt un nu mool dor rinkeeken wull.
> Dor kannst bannich veel bi lern und dat best is, dat man dor ock
> sülm mitmaaken kunn.
>
> Nu hepp wi all November und dat wart kold butten. Dat is de
> Tied von „Kohl un Pinkel“ un daarbi lett sik heel good över ole
> Tieden snacken, as Opa und Oma ehr Hochtied fiern dähn un wat de
> noch alns wussen vun de Familie, von dat Dörp wat du nich in de
> Karkenböker finn kannst. Man bi Gröönkohl un en lütten Kloarn,
> doar is jedereen ant Vertelln.
>
> Veel Spaas bi Ahnenforschung mit de plattdüütsch Lüüd.
>
> Klaus (Vahlbruch)
> *****************************************************************
>
>
> "Moin un willkamen bi de plattdüütsche (neddersassisch un
> oostnedderdüütsch) Utgaav vun Wikipedia.
>
> De Wikipedia is en free Nokieksel in mehr as 100 Spraken, wo jedereen
> an mitwarken kann. Man to! Schriev rin, wenn du wat weetst.
> Kiek na bi de Infos för Niege un bi Hülp. Siet April 2003 is de
> plattdüütsche Utgaav vun de Wikipedia an't Wassen un hett in dissen
> Momang 1.931 Artikels."
>
>        "Hinweis für alle, die nicht Plattdeutsch (Niedersächsisch
>        und Ostniederdeutsch) sprechen. Dies ist die plattdeutsche
>        (niedersächsische und ostniederdeutsche) Wikipedia.
>        Plattdeutsch ist eine Sprache, die von schätzungsweise
>        12 bis 15 Millionen Menschen in allen Erdteilen außer
>        der Antarktis gesprochen wird. Das ursprüngliche
>        Verbreitungsgebiet liegt zwischen dem IJsselmeer und der Memel
>        und umfasst Teile der Niederlande, Norddeutschlands, Süddänemarks
>        und Westpolens."
>
> "Information for all non Low Saxon and East Low German native
> speakers. This is the Low Saxon and East Low German (plattdüütsch)
> Wikipedia. The pair are closely related languages (you could also
> say that they both form a single language) and are spoken by 12 - 15
> million people on all continents except Antarctica. The native
> area is between the IJsselmeer and north west Poland, covering
> parts of the Netherlands, southern Denmark, northern Germany and
> what is now western Poland. The language is also closely related
> to other Low German languages (like Dutch), and to English;
> both of which developed from Old Low German."
>
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>
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[HN] DREYER und DRAHLMAYER aus Hanover

Date: 2005/11/02 19:56:12
From: Diego Pufal <diegopufal(a)gmail.com>

       Hallo listen,

       Ich suche information:

       1. JOHANN FRIEDRICH DREYER, *17.09.1794, Hanover, son von
FRIEDRICH DREYER und CATHARINA DRAHLMAYER.

      Viele GrüBe,
       Diego Pufal.

Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/02 20:05:42
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Neil Heimsoth schrieb:

Goden Dag Klaus, un veel mals'n dank....dat is gans wunnerbor.
Tschuess von Neil in Cole Camp, Missouri, wo Platt noch wohnt!
----- Original Message -----

Hello Neil,
thanks for the respons. I didn´t know if it was OK to put this
messages in the list, but I know that there are a lot of people
in USA looking for some praktice in Plattdüütsch.

So I´m glad to know that you like it.

Klaus (Vahlbruch) born in Flensburg, Schleswig-Holstein
living in Deizisau near Stuttgart, Baden-Wuerttemberg


Re: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/03 05:53:52
From: Ginny C <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>

Thanks so much for your response, Neil. The only mention of a church was my grandfather's baptismal record. When I wrote for a copy of the certificate and more info, all I got was the certificate. The family first settled in Hermann, Gasconade Co. Mo, and in writing the churches there I got negative answers! Thanks for the suggestions and good luck in your research!
Ginny in AZ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Heimsoth" <heimat(a)iland.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] ? No help?


If you know where they first joined a church in America, I would look at
their earliest records.  I know that here in central Missouri, many times
the name of the home town in Germany is listed in the church records.  If
any of the males in the family served in the Union army, their military
record would also list the place of birth.
Good luck,
Neil in mid-Mo.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginny C" <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: [HN] ? No help?


Mid-September I posted the message below. I had one response asking about
me
what town in Hannover my ancestor was from. I have no idea how to find
that
answer. Does anyone know where I should begin?
Thanks,
Ginny in AZ
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> Recently I learned that my great great grandfather, Henry William Meyer
> (b. 1827), came from Hannover.
> He had 3 children born in Germany according to the U.S. 1870 Census-- > Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b. 1854). His next
> child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am assuming that he
> immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am quite sure that
this
> family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly appreciate any help in
> trying to find birth or marriage records of this family. I do not know
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> for any help you can give.
> Ginny in Arizona
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Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover

Date: 2005/11/03 11:48:41
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

The www.castlegarden.org shows this passenger record:

H.w. Meyer  Occupation Farmer
Age 27
Sex M
Literacy U
Arrived 6 Aug 1853
Origin Germany
Port Bremen
Last Residence Kierchausen
Destination St.louis
Plan Unknown
Ship Neptune
Passage Unknown

But not the other family members.

Kierchausen is not present in Germany, but in southern of Germany are two Kirchhausen, not in Hannover

Werner Honkomp



>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>> > Recently I learned that my great great grandfather, Henry William
>>> > Meyer
>>> > (b. 1827), came from Hannover.
>>> > He had 3 children born in Germany according to the U.S. 1870 Census--
>>> > Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b. 1854). His next
>>> > child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am assuming that
>>> > he
>>> > immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am quite sure that
>> this
>>> > family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly appreciate any help
>>> > in
>>> > trying to find birth or marriage records of this family. I do not know
>>> > German, but my husband is able to do a little translating for me.
>>> > Thanks
>>> > for any help you can give.
>>> > Ginny in Arizona


Re: [HN] seemann

Date: 2005/11/03 14:00:46
From: Carol Knigge <caknigge(a)yahoo.com>

Hi Jackie,
Just wondering where in the United States did your
Seeman family live?  Did they stay in New York?

My gggrandfather came from Suttorf, near Neustadt,
Rbg. in Hannover in 1847.  One of his godparents
listed in his baptismal record was a Seeman.  They
were probably somehow related, but do not know how.  I
found the name of the town in Germany from church
records here in the United States.

Good luck with your research.
Carol
--- jackie mccarty <jackie_44_2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> Iam looking for information for a Philip Seemann, I
> believe he came from hannover, germany.
>  
> i dont have to much information on him, but i
> believe he is my ggggrandfather, he had some sons, i
> think they came over to new york with another family
> on the Buchmeier side.
>  
> i think he came over in 1807 or was born , married
> to maragret i have no last name
>  
> had a son Henirich seemann on july 7 1843 in
> hannover. 
>  
> if anyone can help me on this information for my
> family tree i would very thankful and if there
> anything i can help with let me know.
>  
> thank you
> Jackie
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Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover

Date: 2005/11/03 14:06:17
From: derby <derby(a)thesurf.com>

Thank you sooo much for sending this - you have helped my crack a very old road block (when I typed in my names)!!!

On to more research!!
Marlene

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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover


The www.castlegarden.org shows this passenger record:



[HN] angeheirateten ridderbusch/ritterbusch

Date: 2005/11/03 14:39:28
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

ANGEHEIRATETEN RIDDERBUSCH-RITTERBUSCH UMGEBUNG HANNOVER-DETMOLD-BAD PYRMONT (ALPHABETISCH): 



Albrink, Anna Dorothea Elisabeth / Albrink, Hans Heinrich / Alsweh, Justine Marie / Althof, Christine Luise / Amenas, Bastian / Angermann, Anna Elisabeth / Arens, Johann Hermann / August, Diedrich / Bade, Friedrich Heinrich August / Bartels, Anna Maria / Barthold, Henrich Adolph / Becker, Johann Heinrich Wilhelm / Becker, Justina Hanne / Beesemann, Court / Behrmann, Hanne Caroline Wilhelmine / Benecke, Anna Louise / Benecke, Karoline Louise / Berghahn, Dorothee / Bergheim, Johann Carl / Bernstädt, Lotte / Betke, Gottfried Wilhelm / Biesemeier, Johann Jobst / Bilstein, Amalia Catharina / Binker, Elisabeth / Bisemeier / Blome, Anna Marie Dorothea / Bode, Johann Hermann / Bödecker, Anna Christina Friederica / Bödecker, Anna Justina / Böger, Johann Friedrich Heinrich Conrad / Böhmer, Elisabeth / Böhny, Hans / Böker, Ilsabey / Borchers, Dorothee Louise Justine Caroline / Borchling, Katharina Dorothee Eleonore / Bornemann, Engel Sophia / Boyer, Mary / Brackmeier, Luise Friederike Caroline / Brand, Louise / Brandes, Johann Berend Wilhelm / Brandt, Catharina Sophia / Brandt, Louise Wilhelmine / Brehmeyer, Hanne Dorothea Justine / Brenneker, Elisabeth / Brinkmann, Heinrich Friedrich / Brockmann, Ernst Friedrich Christian / Brokhausen, Catharine Louise / Bruns, Christian Friedrich Heinrich / Brunsen, Alma / Bucke, Catharine Marie / Bungenstock, Dorette Karoline Auguste / Bunte, Emalia / Busch, Georg Friedrich / Buschbaum, Adelheid Auguste Wilhelmine / Canaries, Mette / Cornarens, Anna Rebecca / Cornelius, Rinste Margarethe / Crudups, Maria / Daues, Jobst Christoph / Dedekind, Ernst Friedrich Hermann / Dedekind, Wilhelmina Augusta Henrietta / Delzig, Veronica / Deppe, Jürgen / Deppen, Catharina Louise / Dickmann, Katherine / Dohmen, Anne Sophie / Dölmes, Margreta / Dörries, Johann Friederich / Draken, Catharina / Drawen, Anna Magdalena / Dreckes, Anna Marie / Dreve, Anne Marie / Druenert, Hans Henrich / Drüge, Anna Catharina Margaretha Ilsabein / Drüner, Anna Maria Elisabeth / Dubbert, Hermann Heinrich / Eckhard, Regine Margarete / Eckmeijer, Wilhelmina / Eickhoff, Anna Maria / Engelke, Catharina / Fass, Anna Catharina / Fasse, Wilhelmine Henriette / Fassen, Anna Margaretha / Federmann, Dorothea / Feger, Sophie Elise / Fehrmann, Christoph / Finke, Heinrich Friedrich Georg / Finke, Sophie Elisabeth / Finken, Ilsabein Sophia / Fischbeck, Anna / Fischer, Georg Wilhelm Konrad Hermann / Fischer, Louise / Fischer, Sophie Louise / Fitzke, Anna Margaretha / Flotho, Christoph / Forstemann / Fredericks, Johanna E. / Fresen, Mette Canaries / Frevert, Amalie Katharina / Frevert, Christian Heinrich / Frewert, Christian / Fricke, Heinrich / Fricke, Heinrich Christoph / Fricke, Johann Friedrich / Friedrichs, Louise Wilhelmine / Fröhlich, Trine Lisabeth / Frye, Conrad Friedrich Christian / Garbe, Johann Christoph / Garben, Johanne Marie / Gartler, Christian / Gerler, Christian / Gluntzen, Anna Catharina / Gödemann, Anna Elisabeth / Gödemann, Johann Hinrich / Goemann, Marie Dorothee / Görtler, Christian / Gottschalk, Trine Lisabeth / Grässelmann, Anna / Grone, Moritz Harmen von / Grote, Dorothea Sophia / Grotehans, Amalia / Hacke, Jochen / Hakke, Johann Friedrich Wilhelm / Halberstedter, Anna Margaretha / Hänkemeyer, Anna Magdalena / Harenberg, Dorothee Louise / Harmening, Sophie Eleonore / Hartmann, Margareta Elisabeth / Hassebroch, August / Hassebrock, Hinrich / Hausherr, Ludowig / Heide, Anne Marie / Heide, Maria Elisabeth von der / Heinemann, Johann Arend / Heldt, Marie Elisabeth / Hellmuth, August Heinrich Hermann Rudolf / Helms, Hanne Dorothee Friederike / Helms, Ilsabey / Hencke, Johann Ernst / Henne, Johanne Karoline Friederike / Hennemann, Johann Friderich / Henrichsen, Maria Elisabeth / Henzen, Anne Catharina / Henzen, Catharina Maria / Herms, Hanne Marie Louise / Hespen, Melcher Alberts / Heuer, Christian Heinrich August / Heyden, Anna Maria / Hilcker, Johann Jürgen / Hildebrand, Wilhelmine Charlotte / Hildebrandt, Catharina Louise / Hilker, Friederike / Hilker, Georg Carl Conrad / Hilmer, Anna Maria / Hilmert, Louise / Hirte, Heinrich Friedrich Christoph / Hoeltke, Dorothea Ilsabein / Hoitger, Christian Ludowig Friedrich Wilhelm / Holtegel, Catharina Maria / Holzapfel, Johannes Lorenz / Hopmann, Sophie Luise / Hoppe, Jobst Heinrich Friedrich Gottlieb / Hövemeyer, Dorothea Louise / Höwing, Catharina Elisabeth / Huhlemann, Jobst Hermann Heinrich / Hupe, Elisabeth / Hupe, Heinrich Georg Rudolph / Huxhagen, Johann Jost / Jäger, Johann Friedrich Wilhelm / Johannsen, John / Jorgen, Anna Catharina / Jünke, Johann Conrad / Jürgens, Dorothea Elisabeth / Katz, Caroline Dorothea Sophie / Kehse, Dorothea Elisabeth / Kenckel, Henrich / Kerchhoff, Friederica Philippina Ernestine / Kerl, Cathrina Hedewig / Kersting, Anna Maria Dorothea / Kinkeldei, Anna Louise Caroline / Klaus, Karl / Kleene, Marten Eden / Kleinhaus, Johanne Justine Louise / Kleinsorge, Hans Henrich /  Kleinsorge, Johann Ernst / Klemmann, Anna Maria Elisabeth / Klemmann, Anne Marie Ilsabein / Klocke, Heresia / Klussmann, Hans / Knoke, Ilse Catharina Louise / Knopfs, Hermann Christoph / Koch, Justine Luise / Kohlenberg, Christoph / Kohrs, Hans Jacob / König, Marie Luise / Korf, Catharina Wilhelmine / Korf, Marie / Kracht, Sophie Luise Dorothee / Kröger, Cathrina Ilsabe / Kropp, Johann Henrich / Kropp, Johann Wilhelm / Krösche, Anna Catharina / Kruegers, Anne Marie Luise / Krüger, Hanne Caroline Luise / Krül, Caroline Justine Ilsabein / Kuckuck, Engel / Kuckuck, Wilhelmine / Kuestermeijer, Christoph / Kuhfuss, Luise Charlotte / Kuhlemann, Anne Marie Ilsabein / Kuhlmann, Henrich Hermann / Kungen / Läger, Anne Maria Helene / Lager, Elisabeth / Lanthe, Anne / Leege, Catrina / Lembke, Cordt / Leseman, Ilsabein / Lindhorst, Christian / Linneweber, Anne Marie / Loges, Anna Christine / Lohmann, Sophie Charlotte / Lohrengel, Emil Gustav / Lönnecken, Dorothea Elisabeth / Lücke, Cathrina Maria / Lücke, Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Ludwig / Lutmann, Anna Marie / Luttmann, Luise / Mangold, Margarethe / Marosch, Andreas / Matthias, Johanne Caroline Charlotte Luise / Meier, Anna Ilsabein / Meier, Anne Elisabeth / Meier, Anne Marie / Meier, Ilse Dorothee Luise / Meier, Louise / Meijer, Anne Margaretha / Mensen, Anna Becka / Mesch, Adolf Ludwig / Mesch, Henriette / Meschausen, Anna Marike / Meyer, Friedrich / Meyer, Harmen / Meyer, Johann Berend / Meyer, Johann Jobst / Meyer, Justine Louise Wilhelmine / Meyer, Sophia / Meyer, Wilhelmine Amalie Dorothee Johanne / Meyer, Wilhelmine Caroline Charlotte / Möller, Anna Dorothea / Möller, Hans Hinrich / Müller, Anna Catharina / Müller, Anna Christina / Müller, Conrad / Müller, Friederike Florentine / Mundhenke, Christoph / Myer, Jobst Harm / Nacken, Anna Catharina / Niederhöfer, Ernst Friedrich Wilhelm / Niehus, Justine Wilhelmine Louise / Niemeier, Christian August Heinrich / Nolte, Anna Sophia / Nolte, Minna Auguste Caroline Christiane / Nolten, Anna Christina / Nolten, Anna Marie / Noltenmeier, Anna Margretha Ilsabe / Nolte-Rieke, Friedrich Wilhelm / Nolting, Anne Catharine / Nölting, Hans Henrich / Oehlgeschlaeger, Christoph / Oerke, Karoline Wilhelmine Justine / Ohm, Johann Friedrich Conrad / Ossenbrink, Gertrud / Osterholz, Johann Hinrich / Osterkrüger, Sophie Friederike Caroline / Ottermann, Johanna / Pape, Anna Catharina / Pape, Catharina Elisabeth / Pape, Dorothee Sophie Karoline / Pape, Hans Heinrich / Pape, Johann Hermann / Pasch, Johann Henrich / Pauck, Johann Henrich / Pieper, Anne / Pieper, Johanne Karoline Konradine / Pieper, Justine Caroline / Pieper, Sophie Caroline / Pieritz, Hillmar / Pietrowicz, Charlotte Auguste Emilie / Plöger, Wilhelmine Luise Henriette / Pothaus, Anna Margaretha Elisabeth / Pracht, Ilsabe / Pustkauken, Sophie Elisabeth / Püttger, Anna Margarethe / Quanten, Louise / Quast, Margareta Elisabeth / Räger,August Friedrich Georg / Rake, Hans Henrich / Rakemann, Heinrich / Rakemann, Johanne Justine Karoline / Rauchhaupt, Georg Friedrich Wilhelm / Rauchhaupt, Wilhelm / Reese, Heinrich / Rehms, Anna Margaretha / Reimers, Margarete / Reinedran, Ilse / Reisener, Heinrich / Rennemann, Anna Maria / Renner, Justine Sophie Luise / Rockmann, Catrina / Rodass, Otto / Roddau, Anna Margarete Juliane / Roddau, Dorothee Wilhelmine / Röhr, Anna Sophia / Rose, Heinrich Georg Carl August / Rose, Johann Henrich / Rosen / Rosenbaum, Anna Elisabeth / Ruschenmeijer, Anna Cathrina Louisa / Saken, Anna Dorothea Louise / Schäfer, Christof / Schäfer, Heinrich Ludowig / Schake, Philipp Friedrich Heinrich / Schaper, Anna Christina / Schaper, Anne Marie Caroline Justine / Schaper, Hans Henrich / Schaper, Heinrich / Schaper, Ilse Margarethe / Schaper, Ilse Marie / Schaper, Johann Friedrich / Scheffers, Anna Sophie / Scheffler, Anna Dorothea / Schinckel, Heinrich Julius / Schluh, Georg Heinrich Conrad / Schlüter, Anne Margreta / Schmed, Anna Ilsa / Schmedt, Engel / Schmedt, Hans Hinrich / Schmidt, Sophie Luise Eleonore Dorothee / Schnittger, Wilhelmine Luise / Schnölle, Anne Marie Dorothee Louise / Scholz, Henriette / Schomburg, Hanne Dorothee Friederike Louise / Schöning, Catharina Ilsabein / Schrader, Anton Carl Ludwig / Schrader, Wilhelm Heinrich Friedrich / Schröder, Friedrich Simon Wilhelm / Schroeder, Franz Heinrich / Schroeder, Hermann Christoph Christian / Schultze, Conrad / Schultze, Johann Henrich / Schuttmann, Wilhelmine Sophie Friederike / Schütze, Anja / Schweckendieck, Friedrich / Seddies, Ilse Maria / Seelmeier, Hermann Jürgen / Selse, Friedrich Wilhelm / Selsen, Amalia Louise / Sickmann, Wilhelm / Sieck / Siele, Johann Jobst / Sielemann, Dorothea Margreta / Siem, Rebecca / Siever, Friedrich Heinrich Ludewig / Siever, Heinrich Ludewig / Siever, Ilse Margarethe / Siewering, Valentin / Silipen / Söfker, Johann Carl Conrad / Sölter, Margareta Elisabeth / Specht, Hanna Catharina Elisabeth / Spiegel, Hanne Friederike Karoline Wilhelmine / Spiegel, Johann Conrad / Sprick, Anne Catharine Sophie / Sprick, Louise Amalie / 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Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover

Date: 2005/11/03 19:57:23
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Ginny:

Werner has a finding here that has several items which are
relevant:

The initials are H W
The age is 27
The year of immigration is with in 6 months
The destination is St Louis, which is not too far from
Herman

However, in opposition (based on your info.) is that Werner's finding is a man from Kirchhausen and he would probably be Catholic.

I understand that the Castle Garden data is not yet complete, so keep looking. I think that I found only 9 pages of Meyers. If it were complete, I would expect the number of pages to be in the hundreds.

Gale


On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:07:58 +0100
 Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote:
The www.castlegarden.org shows this passenger record:

H.w. Meyer  Occupation Farmer
Age 27
Sex M
Literacy U
Arrived 6 Aug 1853
Origin Germany
Port Bremen
Last Residence Kierchausen
Destination St.louis
Plan Unknown
Ship Neptune
Passage Unknown

But not the other family members.

Kierchausen is not present in Germany, but in southern of Germany are two Kirchhausen, not in Hannover

Werner Honkomp



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> Recently I learned that my great great grandfather, Henry William
> Meyer
> (b. 1827), came from Hannover.
> He had 3 children born in Germany according to the U.S. 1870 Census-- > Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b. 1854). His next > child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am assuming that
> he
> immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am quite sure that
this
> family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly appreciate any help
> in
> trying to find birth or marriage records of this family. I do not know > German, but my husband is able to do a little translating for me.
> Thanks
> for any help you can give.
> Ginny in Arizona

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Re: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/03 20:34:50
From: Patricia Knight <pknight1(a)fidnet.com>

Ginny

Are you in AZ?  I live not too far from Herman.  Have you tried
naturalization records in Franklin County, MO?

I didn't see the original message so don't know the entire questions that
you asked.

I know of someone, who not only got the naturalization records for her
person but, the letter of intent and it was quite extensive. It might have
just been luck on her part but, worth a try.

Herman is a very German area if, you aren't familiar with the area and very
beautiful.

Pat

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From: "Ginny C" <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] ? No help?


> Thanks so much for your response, Neil. The only mention of a church was
my
> grandfather's baptismal record. When I wrote for a copy of the certificate
> and more info, all I got was the certificate. The family first settled in
> Hermann, Gasconade Co. Mo, and in writing the churches there I got
negative
> answers! Thanks for the suggestions and good luck in your research!
> Ginny in AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil Heimsoth" <heimat(a)iland.net>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] ? No help?
>
>
> > If you know where they first joined a church in America, I would look at
> > their earliest records.  I know that here in central Missouri, many
times
> > the name of the home town in Germany is listed in the church records.
If
> > any of the males in the family served in the Union army, their military
> > record would also list the place of birth.
> > Good luck,
> > Neil in mid-Mo.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ginny C" <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>
> > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:32 PM
> > Subject: [HN] ? No help?
> >
> >
> >> Mid-September I posted the message below. I had one response asking
about
> > me
> >> what town in Hannover my ancestor was from. I have no idea how to find
> > that
> >> answer. Does anyone know where I should begin?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ginny in AZ
> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>
> >> > Recently I learned that my great great grandfather, Henry William
Meyer
> >> > (b. 1827), came from Hannover.
> >> > He had 3 children born in Germany according to the U.S. 1870 Census--
> >> > Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b. 1854). His next
> >> > child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am assuming that
he
> >> > immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am quite sure that
> > this
> >> > family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly appreciate any help
in
> >> > trying to find birth or marriage records of this family. I do not
know
> >> > German, but my husband is able to do a little translating for me.
> >> > Thanks
> >> > for any help you can give.
> >> > Ginny in Arizona
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover

Date: 2005/11/04 00:25:04
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Ginny,

      I might as well get my two cents worth here, too!  When you first
wrote of the Meyer family, I checked the emigration archives.  Hannover
lists 176 Heinrich Meyer (or variation of), 16 Caroline Meyer, 11 Charlotte,
and 65 Marie (Mary).  That is the problem with having to search for such a
common name as Meyer. And since many people had 2 or 3 or even 4 names
listed, one never knows whether any Heinrich Wilhelm Meyer went by Heinrich
or Wilhelm. And there are other ways to spell Meyer--Meier, Mayer, Maier.

   In addition, the Osnabrück and the Wolfenbüttel list many Meyers as well.

    I don't know how big a city Hermann Mo. is, but would your Meyer family
be related to the Henry August Meyer from Hermann who was the son of Ernst
Henry Meyer from Holzhausen Prussia?  This is from an article about Herman
Mo:
   http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mo/gasconade/bios/m6000004.txt

    As others have said, you are probably going to have to look at American
records to find the birthplace of Henry William Meyer.  I just did a Google
search for a Herman Mo. church and there are 10 listed.  You should write
any likely ones that might have Christening records or death for any of the
Meyer children born there.  The LDS has microfilm for Herman and quite a few
for Gasconade County.

I wish you luck!
Barbara
   



on 11/3/05 11:56 AM, gale(a)bosche.info at gale(a)bosche.info wrote:

> Hi Ginny:
> 
> Werner has a finding here that has several items which are
> relevant:
> 
> The initials are H W
> The age is 27
> The year of immigration is with in 6 months
> The destination is St Louis, which is not too far from
> Herman
> 
> However, in opposition (based on your info.) is that
> Werner's finding is a man from Kirchhausen and he would
> probably be Catholic.
> 
> I understand that the Castle Garden data is not yet
> complete, so keep looking.  I think that I found only 9
> pages of Meyers.  If it were complete, I would expect the
> number of pages to be in the hundreds.
> 
> Gale
> 
> 
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:07:58 +0100
> Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote:
>> The www.castlegarden.org shows this passenger record:
>> 
>> H.w. Meyer  Occupation Farmer
>> Age 27
>> Sex M
>> Literacy U
>> Arrived 6 Aug 1853
>> Origin Germany
>> Port Bremen
>> Last Residence Kierchausen
>> Destination St.louis
>> Plan Unknown
>> Ship Neptune
>> Passage Unknown
>> 
>> But not the other family members.
>> 
>> Kierchausen is not present in Germany, but in southern
>> of Germany are two Kirchhausen, not in Hannover
>> 
>> Werner Honkomp
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Recently I learned that my great great grandfather,
>>>>> Henry William
>>>>>> Meyer
>>>>>> (b. 1827), came from Hannover.
>>>>>> He had 3 children born in Germany according to the
>>>>> U.S. 1870 Census--
>>>>>> Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b.
>>>>> 1854). His next
>>>>>> child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am
>>>>> assuming that
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am
>>>>> quite sure that
>>>> this
>>>>>> family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly
>>>>> appreciate any help
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> trying to find birth or marriage records of this
>>>>> family. I do not know
>>>>>> German, but my husband is able to do a little
>>>>> translating for me.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> for any help you can give.
>>>>>> Ginny in Arizona
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
>> 
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[HN] Meyer Response

Date: 2005/11/04 00:56:55
From: Ginny C <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>

Dear Joel, Neil, Gale Bob, Jb, Sylvia, Jrodenburg, Jane, and Werner,and just
now, Barbara,

I haven't stimulated this much list interest since a few years ago when I
asked about turnvereins on the St. Louis list! Everyone of you has had
really great ideas, and some of your emails quite lengthy--many people with
the gift of helps. Please know that I really appreciate every single one!
Below is a copy of the more extensive email I wrote to Joel and not the
list. I had just heard about the Castle Garden site but had not had a chance
to look at it before I got the info from Werner. Gale mentioned the Catholic
factor and I never did write the Catholic church in Hermann, Mo. That chore
is in my immediate plans.

Two years ago we went to St. Louis and stopped in Hermann on our way back to
Tucson. It is indeed beautiful, and I could see why it was hand-picked by a
search group from PA to make it the site of an all-German community---the
Fatherland in the U.S. The history is so interesting, and we were able to
buy a book on the settling of Hermann. After very difficult and extensive
clearing of the land, it was not found to be very good for the usual farm
crops. However, grapes did amazingly well, and there were many wineries. In
my reading I have found that many Germans were into wine as much as beer! An
added plus was and is the town's location on two rivers, the Gassconade and
the Missouri. At one time the shipping of wine from Herman ranked very high
in world production! In fact later 4 of Henry Meyer's sons were coopers in
St. Louis at Pioneer Cooperage! Prohibition killed the town! Unfortunately,
we were in Hermann on a Sunday, and we could not visit any offices, but we
did go through a couple of the wineries and a tiny museum there. I have a
few lovely pictures if anyone wants me to send them, I will be happy to do
so!
Thanks to all again!
Ginny in AZ

"Hi Joel,
Thanks so very much for your thoughts on my email request. I received quite
a few responses in English but yours was by far the most thoughtful. I never
know how much to put out on a mail list, but I do know pretty much about
this family. In my great grandfather, Fred Meyer's obituary, I found the
names of his siblings so that when I found a Henry Meyer I could tell he was
mine. That is indeed him in St. Louis, the 2nd ward East in 1870.

He died in St. Louis and supposedly was buried in Holy Ghost Cemetery until
most remains went to New and Old Pickers Cemetery which then became Gateway
Gardens.(I have looked on the St. Louis Library index for his obituary and
do not see him listed, but I am quite sure I found his death date when
searching in the library in St. Louis.) Then the city got involved in taking
over the cemetery etc. etc., and when I called for info they had a Henry
Meyer listed but not with the correct death date (July 25 1854) of my Henry.

Great Grandpa Fred (Henry's son) had his son baptized at St. Matthews
Evangelical Church in St. Louis, and that is the earliest record I can find
for ANY church affiliation. They sent me a copy of the baptizmal record but
said they had no other records of the family, even tho my grandfather had 2
younger brothers.

I do believe this family immigrated straight to Hermann, Gasconade Co., MO
as the St. Louis 1880 census gives the first of the American-born children
being born there. Long ago I wrote all the Herman churches and the
historical society about Henry.All responses were negative. I have not found
any evidence of the family in Gasconade Co except for the 1880 census. All
the rest of the children were born in St. Louis. In 1870 he is a laborer and
in 1880 he is a florist.

I found one naturalization card for 1857 for a Henry William Meyer, but
there is no way of knowing if it's him--the spaces for address and age are
blank! Do you know if the actual card would have more info than there is on
the database listing? And I do not know how far ahead a petition has to be
filed!! I searched immigration with ancestry.com and did not find him.

One really neat thing I have found is all Henry's probate records on the MO.
State Archives site, but alas no church is mentioned in any of them. Even
the funeral expenses give a burial plot number but do not mention the
cemetery or church! Adolph Meyer Livery and Undertaking Co. was the company,
and I don't know of any Adolphs in the family.

I know that your two emails took a lot of thought and time to put together,
and I really appreciate your work. I am open to all ideas at this point. I
am trying to write my Meyer story, and then I got involved here in more
research. I think I will leave the rest of the research to my kids! Thanks
again.
Ginny in AZ




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Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover

Date: 2005/11/04 01:07:45
From: Ginny C <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>

Hi Barbara,
I know the name is really common. I have never seen mine spelled any differently. It is true that Henry was listed that way in most records but the 1870 record has him as William! That is my earliest record and the one that gives his and his wife's birthplace as Hannover.

Do the emigration archives not give family groups like our census records! Henry did have a son, August Meyer born in 1863. Thanks for your help. I am going to work with google a bit more.
Ginny in AZ


----- Original Message ----- From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover


Hello Ginny,

     I might as well get my two cents worth here, too!  When you first
wrote of the Meyer family, I checked the emigration archives.  Hannover
lists 176 Heinrich Meyer (or variation of), 16 Caroline Meyer, 11 Charlotte,
and 65 Marie (Mary).  That is the problem with having to search for such a
common name as Meyer. And since many people had 2 or 3 or even 4 names
listed, one never knows whether any Heinrich Wilhelm Meyer went by Heinrich
or Wilhelm. And there are other ways to spell Meyer--Meier, Mayer, Maier.

  In addition, the Osnabrück and the Wolfenbüttel list many Meyers as well.

   I don't know how big a city Hermann Mo. is, but would your Meyer family
be related to the Henry August Meyer from Hermann who was the son of Ernst
Henry Meyer from Holzhausen Prussia?  This is from an article about Herman
Mo:
  http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mo/gasconade/bios/m6000004.txt

   As others have said, you are probably going to have to look at American
records to find the birthplace of Henry William Meyer.  I just did a Google
search for a Herman Mo. church and there are 10 listed.  You should write
any likely ones that might have Christening records or death for any of the
Meyer children born there.  The LDS has microfilm for Herman and quite a few
for Gasconade County.

I wish you luck!
Barbara




on 11/3/05 11:56 AM, gale(a)bosche.info at gale(a)bosche.info wrote:

Hi Ginny:

Werner has a finding here that has several items which are
relevant:

The initials are H W
The age is 27
The year of immigration is with in 6 months
The destination is St Louis, which is not too far from
Herman

However, in opposition (based on your info.) is that
Werner's finding is a man from Kirchhausen and he would
probably be Catholic.

I understand that the Castle Garden data is not yet
complete, so keep looking.  I think that I found only 9
pages of Meyers.  If it were complete, I would expect the
number of pages to be in the hundreds.

Gale


On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:07:58 +0100
Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote:
The www.castlegarden.org shows this passenger record:

H.w. Meyer  Occupation Farmer
Age 27
Sex M
Literacy U
Arrived 6 Aug 1853
Origin Germany
Port Bremen
Last Residence Kierchausen
Destination St.louis
Plan Unknown
Ship Neptune
Passage Unknown

But not the other family members.

Kierchausen is not present in Germany, but in southern
of Germany are two Kirchhausen, not in Hannover

Werner Honkomp



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Recently I learned that my great great grandfather,
Henry William
Meyer
(b. 1827), came from Hannover.
He had 3 children born in Germany according to the
U.S. 1870 Census--
Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b.
1854). His next
child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am
assuming that
he
immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am
quite sure that
this
family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly
appreciate any help
in
trying to find birth or marriage records of this
family. I do not know
German, but my husband is able to do a little
translating for me.
Thanks
for any help you can give.
Ginny in Arizona

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Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover

Date: 2005/11/04 01:22:15
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Hi Barbara,

Fill me in on this Emigration Archives----Bob Marhenke


On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:24:41 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
> Hello Ginny,
> 
>       I might as well get my two cents worth here, too!  When you 
> first
> wrote of the Meyer family, I checked the emigration archives.  
> Hannover
> lists 176 Heinrich Meyer (or variation of), 16 Caroline Meyer, 11 
> Charlotte,
> and 65 Marie (Mary).  That is the problem with having to search for 
> such a
> common name as Meyer. And since many people had 2 or 3 or even 4 
> names
> listed, one never knows whether any Heinrich Wilhelm Meyer went by 
> Heinrich
> or Wilhelm. And there are other ways to spell Meyer--Meier, Mayer, 
> Maier.
> 
>    In addition, the Osnabrück and the Wolfenbüttel list many Meyers 
> as well.
> 
>     I don't know how big a city Hermann Mo. is, but would your Meyer 
> family
> be related to the Henry August Meyer from Hermann who was the son of 
> Ernst
> Henry Meyer from Holzhausen Prussia?  This is from an article about 
> Herman
> Mo:
>    
> http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mo/gasconade/bios/m6000004.txt
> 
>     As others have said, you are probably going to have to look at 
> American
> records to find the birthplace of Henry William Meyer.  I just did a 
> Google
> search for a Herman Mo. church and there are 10 listed.  You should 
> write
> any likely ones that might have Christening records or death for any 
> of the
> Meyer children born there.  The LDS has microfilm for Herman and 
> quite a few
> for Gasconade County.
> 
> I wish you luck!
> Barbara
>    
> 
> 
> 
> on 11/3/05 11:56 AM, gale(a)bosche.info at gale(a)bosche.info wrote:
> 
> > Hi Ginny:
> > 
> > Werner has a finding here that has several items which are
> > relevant:
> > 
> > The initials are H W
> > The age is 27
> > The year of immigration is with in 6 months
> > The destination is St Louis, which is not too far from
> > Herman
> > 
> > However, in opposition (based on your info.) is that
> > Werner's finding is a man from Kirchhausen and he would
> > probably be Catholic.
> > 
> > I understand that the Castle Garden data is not yet
> > complete, so keep looking.  I think that I found only 9
> > pages of Meyers.  If it were complete, I would expect the
> > number of pages to be in the hundreds.
> > 
> > Gale
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:07:58 +0100
> > Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote:
> >> The www.castlegarden.org shows this passenger record:
> >> 
> >> H.w. Meyer  Occupation Farmer
> >> Age 27
> >> Sex M
> >> Literacy U
> >> Arrived 6 Aug 1853
> >> Origin Germany
> >> Port Bremen
> >> Last Residence Kierchausen
> >> Destination St.louis
> >> Plan Unknown
> >> Ship Neptune
> >> Passage Unknown
> >> 
> >> But not the other family members.
> >> 
> >> Kierchausen is not present in Germany, but in southern
> >> of Germany are two Kirchhausen, not in Hannover
> >> 
> >> Werner Honkomp
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>>>> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Recently I learned that my great great grandfather,
> >>>>> Henry William
> >>>>>> Meyer
> >>>>>> (b. 1827), came from Hannover.
> >>>>>> He had 3 children born in Germany according to the
> >>>>> U.S. 1870 Census--
> >>>>>> Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b.
> >>>>> 1854). His next
> >>>>>> child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am
> >>>>> assuming that
> >>>>>> he
> >>>>>> immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am
> >>>>> quite sure that
> >>>> this
> >>>>>> family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly
> >>>>> appreciate any help
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> trying to find birth or marriage records of this
> >>>>> family. I do not know
> >>>>>> German, but my husband is able to do a little
> >>>>> translating for me.
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>> for any help you can give.
> >>>>>> Ginny in Arizona
> >> 
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> 
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> >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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[HN] Meyer of Hannover

Date: 2005/11/04 03:43:37
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

   Hello, list members.



   My ancestors (Meyer and Grassmann) also came from Hannover.  As far as
   I can tell, from Hoesseringen (or Oldendorf, a small village nearby).
   It seems their names are entered in the Suderburg church.



   It seems the Meyers came to America in 1854.  The Grassmann family may
   have come as late as 1857.  All settled in Minnesota.



   I have not been able to document their names on ship manifests.



   Thank you for assistance.



   Edward H Meyer, g g grandson of these people.



   --- Edward Meyer

   --- [1]meyereh(a)sprintmail.com

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References

   1. mailto:meyereh(a)sprintmail.com

Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover

Date: 2005/11/04 03:44:17
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Bob:  -  Ginny:

This may be what you are looking for.

http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch

I looked for Meyers and got the Smith run a round.

19 Heinrich
39+ Friedrich
19 Marie
10 Caroline
6 Charlotte

Part of the string is deleted for brevity.

Gale


On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:20:36 -0600
 Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com> wrote:
Hi Barbara,

Fill me in on this Emigration Archives----Bob Marhenke


On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:24:41 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
Hello Ginny,

I might as well get my two cents worth here, too! When you first wrote of the Meyer family, I checked the emigration archives. Hannover lists 176 Heinrich Meyer (or variation of), 16 Caroline Meyer, 11 Charlotte, and 65 Marie (Mary). That is the problem with having to search for such a common name as Meyer. And since many people had 2 or 3 or even 4 names listed, one never knows whether any Heinrich Wilhelm Meyer went by Heinrich or Wilhelm. And there are other ways to spell Meyer--Meier, Mayer, Maier.

In addition, the Osnabrück and the Wolfenbüttel list many Meyers as well.

I don't know how big a city Hermann Mo. is, but would your Meyer family be related to the Henry August Meyer from Hermann who was the son of Ernst Henry Meyer from Holzhausen Prussia? This is from an article about Herman
Mo:

[HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/04 03:50:53
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Bob,

       There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for permission to
emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's up to maybe
the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.

        Searching the Osnabrück, Hannover, Wolfenbüttel emigration records
is done by going to the website:

   http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/

It is a little confusing to use, especially if you don't  know German.  On
the first page:
   Choose one of the three locations on the bar & click Abschicken
   Go to Index in the middle of the page and click
   Fill in the surname you are looking for in the box "Suchbegriff"
   Choose Personen where it says nach Ort
   Click on Suchen starten and you will get a list of persons who emigrated
from Germany with that name.  Or you may get nothing! Try all the same
search on all 3 locations.
   Note the number on the right column. That number will direct you to the
town later.  Click on a name that matches a person you are looking for and
you will get a code that will be what you use to order the record.
   Finding what area the person comes from is not easy. On the Hannover
site, it names a town right in the code.  For Osnabrück and Wolfenbüttel it
is harder. Go back to the page where you first clicked on Index and this
time click on 
Gliederung.  
    There you will see a list of towns and if you click on the numbers on
the left, you will get a list of all the people from that area.  The numbers
start with 1 and go up from there.  So if the number is 5 digits it will be
closer to the bottom of the list. But you have to go to the  one that has
the number in it from the right column of the page with the list of names.
When  you find the right one, the code will match the code you saw earlier
tied to the name you were looking for. I know this is confusing.  I have
explained  the process many times on this site and it never  is very clear!
    Then, you can order the records from one of the 3 locations.  The email
addresses are:
  Hannover -   poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
  Osnabrück -  poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
  Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
    
    You have to realize that these emigration records cover only certain
years--and not everybody is listed there.  None of my relatives are.  You're
lucky if you find them!!
    Several people on the list have explained that the ordering process is
fairly easy.  They will send you the records by regular mail and then you
send the money ( I think even a check will  do.)  I haven't done that part.

Barbara



    




Re: [HN] Meyer of Hannover

Date: 2005/11/04 04:41:38
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Edward, 
       
        I remember you from a couple years ago.  You were going to travel to
Germany to see that area where your ancestors came from. Were you able to do
that? 

      Are you aware that the LDS have records for Suderburg?  There are
church records from 1575-1962.  Are you near a LDS center where you could
order and view those microfilms? That may be tedious, but you should find
what you are looking for.

Barbara


on 11/3/05 7:43 PM, Edward Meyer at meyereh(a)sprintmail.com wrote:

> 
> Hello, list members.
> 
> 
> 
> My ancestors (Meyer and Grassmann) also came from Hannover.  As far as
> I can tell, from Hoesseringen (or Oldendorf, a small village nearby).
> It seems their names are entered in the Suderburg church.
> 
> 
> 
> It seems the Meyers came to America in 1854.  The Grassmann family may
> have come as late as 1857.  All settled in Minnesota.
> 
> 
> 
> I have not been able to document their names on ship manifests.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> Edward H Meyer, g g grandson of these people.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Edward Meyer
> 
> --- [1]meyereh(a)sprintmail.com
> 
> --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.
> 
> References
> 
> 1. mailto:meyereh(a)sprintmail.com
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> 
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RE: [HN] Meyer Response

Date: 2005/11/04 06:11:01
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Ginny,

I feel like the Meyer records you talk about are ones I have come across while looking for something on my Meyer line in St. Louis.

Family stories are that our Meyer's were originally Meyerpeter.

I do know that my 2GGM was names MARY Gebhardt. My GGM was Emma Meyer-Miller.

I found a Henry Meyer on the 1880 census with children:

August, Elizabeth and Matilda. (Emma was born in 1883 so not enumerated)

I know this is my Meyer because a cuz of mine remembers August, LIzzie Meyer-Brennan and Tillie-Meyer-Blade.

Strange thing is...Emma's death cert. listed her fathers name as August Meyers/Meyer and herr mom was recorded as Mary Gebhardt.

So I don't know if his name was Henry or August.

AND... I don't know if they were catholic or lutheran. Mary Gebhardt-Meyers obit says she was buried in Lutheran Cemetary. I have no clue which cemetary in St. Louis city was called "Lutheran Cemetary."

Mary Gebhardt Meyer's daughter Emma-Meyer-Mller was married in the catholic church.

1. St. Louis City Marriage Index, 15/349, 18 Apr 1872, St. Louis County Libray, 1640 South Lindbergh, St. Louis, Mo. 63131.

Ancestry.com index lists a marriage 4/18/1872 for Marie Gebhardt and Gerhard Meyerpeter. I think its possible that these are Emma Meyers parents as family tradition says that Emma Meyer/Meyers father shortend the surname from Meyerpeter. Harry T. Miller and Emma Meyer's marriage record from St. Michaels is not very legible but looks like it lists a J. or G. Meyers and a Mary Gebhart as Emma's parents.

My Henry/August/Gerhard Meierpeter/Meyers/Meyer would have been born about 1846 and per census...in Missouri.

While looking at the 1880 Missouri census for Gebhardt .... I found a William Gebhardt with wife Charlotte.....and mother-in-law...Elizabeth Meierpeter.

I figure maybe thiis Charlote Meierpeter and Henry/August/Gerhard Meierpeter/Meyer are siblings...and that Mary and William Gebhardt..are siblings.

Henry/August/Gerhard m. Mary Gebhardt. William Gebhardt m. Charlote Meierpeter.

As you see...I am totally stuck on this Meyer line of mine..

Recently I noticed this record online St. JOseph Marriages...

MEIERPETER, Heinrich
Joseph & Anna Maria HECKEMEIER
VENNEWALD, Henrietta
Georg & Anna Margaretha HAHN (Both deceased)
August H. Meierpeter* & Anna FELBAUER
21 May 1871

and

This sship list that includes both Vennewald and Meierpeter. I believe it also includes Hahn.

http://www.immigrantships.net/v4/1800v4/ulysses18360919.html

It appears that ^ Meierpeter/Vennewald are associated with Westphalia, MIssouri.

I have no idea if ^ from St. Josephs reflects my Meyerpeter/Meyer people. I dio find interesting that Henry and August are names mentioned.

I wonder if Westphalia, MO. is anywhere near Gasconade?

Barbie-Lew
St. Louis





























From: "Ginny C" <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Meyer Response
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:56:52 -0700

Dear Joel, Neil, Gale Bob, Jb, Sylvia, Jrodenburg, Jane, and Werner,and just
now, Barbara,

I haven't stimulated this much list interest since a few years ago when I
asked about turnvereins on the St. Louis list! Everyone of you has had
really great ideas, and some of your emails quite lengthy--many people with
the gift of helps. Please know that I really appreciate every single one!
Below is a copy of the more extensive email I wrote to Joel and not the
list. I had just heard about the Castle Garden site but had not had a chance to look at it before I got the info from Werner. Gale mentioned the Catholic
factor and I never did write the Catholic church in Hermann, Mo. That chore
is in my immediate plans.

Two years ago we went to St. Louis and stopped in Hermann on our way back to
Tucson. It is indeed beautiful, and I could see why it was hand-picked by a
search group from PA to make it the site of an all-German community---the
Fatherland in the U.S. The history is so interesting, and we were able to
buy a book on the settling of Hermann. After very difficult and extensive
clearing of the land, it was not found to be very good for the usual farm
crops. However, grapes did amazingly well, and there were many wineries. In
my reading I have found that many Germans were into wine as much as beer! An
added plus was and is the town's location on two rivers, the Gassconade and
the Missouri. At one time the shipping of wine from Herman ranked very high
in world production! In fact later 4 of Henry Meyer's sons were coopers in
St. Louis at Pioneer Cooperage! Prohibition killed the town! Unfortunately,
we were in Hermann on a Sunday, and we could not visit any offices, but we
did go through a couple of the wineries and a tiny museum there. I have a
few lovely pictures if anyone wants me to send them, I will be happy to do
so!
Thanks to all again!
Ginny in AZ

"Hi Joel,
Thanks so very much for your thoughts on my email request. I received quite
a few responses in English but yours was by far the most thoughtful. I never
know how much to put out on a mail list, but I do know pretty much about
this family. In my great grandfather, Fred Meyer's obituary, I found the
names of his siblings so that when I found a Henry Meyer I could tell he was
mine. That is indeed him in St. Louis, the 2nd ward East in 1870.

He died in St. Louis and supposedly was buried in Holy Ghost Cemetery until
most remains went to New and Old Pickers Cemetery which then became Gateway
Gardens.(I have looked on the St. Louis Library index for his obituary and
do not see him listed, but I am quite sure I found his death date when
searching in the library in St. Louis.) Then the city got involved in taking
over the cemetery etc. etc., and when I called for info they had a Henry
Meyer listed but not with the correct death date (July 25 1854) of my Henry.

Great Grandpa Fred (Henry's son) had his son baptized at St. Matthews
Evangelical Church in St. Louis, and that is the earliest record I can find
for ANY church affiliation. They sent me a copy of the baptizmal record but
said they had no other records of the family, even tho my grandfather had 2
younger brothers.

I do believe this family immigrated straight to Hermann, Gasconade Co., MO
as the St. Louis 1880 census gives the first of the American-born children
being born there. Long ago I wrote all the Herman churches and the
historical society about Henry.All responses were negative. I have not found
any evidence of the family in Gasconade Co except for the 1880 census. All
the rest of the children were born in St. Louis. In 1870 he is a laborer and
in 1880 he is a florist.

I found one naturalization card for 1857 for a Henry William Meyer, but
there is no way of knowing if it's him--the spaces for address and age are
blank! Do you know if the actual card would have more info than there is on
the database listing? And I do not know how far ahead a petition has to be
filed!! I searched immigration with ancestry.com and did not find him.

One really neat thing I have found is all Henry's probate records on the MO.
State Archives site, but alas no church is mentioned in any of them. Even
the funeral expenses give a burial plot number but do not mention the
cemetery or church! Adolph Meyer Livery and Undertaking Co. was the company,
and I don't know of any Adolphs in the family.

I know that your two emails took a lot of thought and time to put together,
and I really appreciate your work. I am open to all ideas at this point. I
am trying to write my Meyer story, and then I got involved here in more
research. I think I will leave the rest of the research to my kids! Thanks
again.
Ginny in AZ




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RE: [HN] UEBELSHAEUSER (IBELSHAUSER)

Date: 2005/11/04 07:24:15
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear Sharon,

Can't answer the question you've asked...

However,

I'm pretty sure I have seen the surname Evilsizer in the Washington County, Illinois, U.S.A. area.

I'm thinking I read somewhere that this famly was one of W.C. earliest settlers.

Barbie
St. Louis

From: sharon durels <sdurels(a)yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] UEBELSHAEUSER (IBELSHAUSER)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:04:56 -0800 (PST)

I realize that most of you are researching in the Hannover area, but thought I would submit this query anyway regarding the Hessen area, where our ancestor possibly came from.

I am trying to determine the origin of the surname "Evilsizer". In 1779 our ancestor's name was recorded as "Jacob Evelsheimer" and later in 1799, he signed his name as Jacob Uebelsauftzer, giving his daughter, Mary Evilsizer, permission to marry.

There are various spellings in the old records of his name... some are Ewelszeiser, Evilsisor, Ebelsheiser. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts regarding the name.

Thanks very much.
Sharon

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[HN] angeheirateten ridderbusch/ritterbusch

Date: 2005/11/04 07:58:41
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>

*

*Date:* 2005/11/03 14:39:28
*From:* w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

ANGEHEIRATETEN RIDDERBUSCH-RITTERBUSCH UMGEBUNG HANNOVER-DETMOLD-BAD PYRMONT (ALPHABETISCH):
*Hallo,

in eurer Liste taucht der Name Dörries, Johann Friederich auf.
Habt Ihr nähere Informationen ?

Viele Grüße

Rainer Dörry

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Rainer Doerry, Paradiesstr. 28, 65396 Walluf
Tel.: 06123-993221 - Fax: 01212-5-114-27-216
Handy: 0173-3100315 - email: rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de
http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/




[HN] Familienamen-Link: Wieczorek-Zeul und Doppelnamen

Date: 2005/11/04 09:36:21
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo Listige,

hier der heutige Link zum aktuellen Familiennamen-Artikel in der "Welt":

http://www2.welt.de/data/2005/11/04/798435.html

Diese Artikel seit 2003 könnt Ihr jetzt im GenWiki finden:

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/wiki/GenWiki-Aktionen/Artikel_%c3%bcber_Familiennamen_in_der_Zeitung_Welt

Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht Euch

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie
Familiennamensuche: http://meta.genealogy.net/


Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/04 15:44:13
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Barbara
I've tried to the websites you provided to Bob but have been denied access to the Index page. Any suggestion?
Max
> 
> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 09:50:07 EST
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: [HN] Emigration archives
> 
> Hello Bob,
> 
>        There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for permission to
> emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
> Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's up to maybe
> the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.
> 
>         Searching the Osnabrück, Hannover, Wolfenbüttel emigration records
> is done by going to the website:
> 
>    http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
> 
> It is a little confusing to use, especially if you don't  know German.  On
> the first page:
>    Choose one of the three locations on the bar & click Abschicken
>    Go to Index in the middle of the page and click
>    Fill in the surname you are looking for in the box "Suchbegriff"
>    Choose Personen where it says nach Ort
>    Click on Suchen starten and you will get a list of persons who emigrated
> from Germany with that name.  Or you may get nothing! Try all the same
> search on all 3 locations.
>    Note the number on the right column. That number will direct you to the
> town later.  Click on a name that matches a person you are looking for and
> you will get a code that will be what you use to order the record.
>    Finding what area the person comes from is not easy. On the Hannover
> site, it names a town right in the code.  For Osnabrück and Wolfenbüttel it
> is harder. Go back to the page where you first clicked on Index and this
> time click on 
> Gliederung.  
>     There you will see a list of towns and if you click on the numbers on
> the left, you will get a list of all the people from that area.  The numbers
> start with 1 and go up from there.  So if the number is 5 digits it will be
> closer to the bottom of the list. But you have to go to the  one that has
> the number in it from the right column of the page with the list of names.
> When  you find the right one, the code will match the code you saw earlier
> tied to the name you were looking for. I know this is confusing.  I have
> explained  the process many times on this site and it never  is very clear!
>     Then, you can order the records from one of the 3 locations.  The email
> addresses are:
>   Hannover -   poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
>   Osnabrück -  poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
>   Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
>     
>     You have to realize that these emigration records cover only certain
> years--and not everybody is listed there.  None of my relatives are.  You're
> lucky if you find them!!
>     Several people on the list have explained that the ordering process is
> fairly easy.  They will send you the records by regular mail and then you
> send the money ( I think even a check will  do.)  I haven't done that part.
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
>     
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/04 17:34:36
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Max,
      I don't know why you can't get the Index page.  We have looked at the
archives before and there is no Julius Burgdorf listed in any of the 3
areas.  There are other Burgdorfs, but no one by the name of Julius.
I'm sorry,
Barbara



on 11/4/05 7:44 AM, Max Burgdorf at pharmaxx(a)charter.net wrote:

> Barbara
> I've tried to the websites you provided to Bob but have been denied access to
> the Index page. Any suggestion?
> Max
>> 


Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/04 17:43:06
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Max:

I just tried the URL right off your e-mail to the list. It worked, listing 27+- Burgdorf's, a lot of whom were from Peine?

Barbaras instructions are good. I removed the <<<>>> that come from the string and added " " to the words which you want to use or click.

Try it again.

Gale


On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 9:44:00 -0500
 Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net> wrote:
Barbara
I've tried to the websites you provided to Bob but have been denied access to the Index page. Any suggestion?
Max
   http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
It is a little confusing to use, especially if you don't
 know German.
On the first page:
 Choose one of the three locations on the bar
 Click "Abschicken"
 Go to "Index" in the middle of the page and click
 Fill in the surname you are looking for in the box
 "Suchbegriff"
Choose "ort Personen" where it says "nach Ort" (Pull down)
 Click on "Suchen starten" and you will get a list of
 persons who emigrated from Germany with that name.  Or
 you may get nothing!

 Try all the same for a search on all 3 locations.

 Note the number on the right column. That number will
 direct you to the town.  Click on a name that matches a
 person you are looking for and you will get a code that
 will be what you use to order the record.

Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/04 19:27:37
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Barbara,

Thanks for the information, I must not be doing things correctly.  How
about you putting in my name Marhenke at the Hannover selection and see
if you can get beyond the names for me?----Bob


On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:50:07 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
> Hello Bob,
> 
>        There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for 
> permission to
> emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
> Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's up 
> to maybe
> the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.
> 
>         Searching the Osnabrück, Hannover, Wolfenbüttel emigration 
> records
> is done by going to the website:
> 
>    http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
> 
> It is a little confusing to use, especially if you don't  know 
> German.  On
> the first page:
>    Choose one of the three locations on the bar & click Abschicken
>    Go to Index in the middle of the page and click
>    Fill in the surname you are looking for in the box "Suchbegriff"
>    Choose Personen where it says nach Ort
>    Click on Suchen starten and you will get a list of persons who 
> emigrated
> from Germany with that name.  Or you may get nothing! Try all the 
> same
> search on all 3 locations.
>    Note the number on the right column. That number will direct you 
> to the
> town later.  Click on a name that matches a person you are looking 
> for and
> you will get a code that will be what you use to order the record.
>    Finding what area the person comes from is not easy. On the 
> Hannover
> site, it names a town right in the code.  For Osnabrück and 
> Wolfenbüttel it
> is harder. Go back to the page where you first clicked on Index and 
> this
> time click on 
> Gliederung.  
>     There you will see a list of towns and if you click on the 
> numbers on
> the left, you will get a list of all the people from that area.  The 
> numbers
> start with 1 and go up from there.  So if the number is 5 digits it 
> will be
> closer to the bottom of the list. But you have to go to the  one 
> that has
> the number in it from the right column of the page with the list of 
> names.
> When  you find the right one, the code will match the code you saw 
> earlier
> tied to the name you were looking for. I know this is confusing.  I 
> have
> explained  the process many times on this site and it never  is very 
> clear!
>     Then, you can order the records from one of the 3 locations.  
> The email
> addresses are:
>   Hannover -   poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
>   Osnabrück -  poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
>   Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
>     
>     You have to realize that these emigration records cover only 
> certain
> years--and not everybody is listed there.  None of my relatives are. 
>  You're
> lucky if you find them!!
>     Several people on the list have explained that the ordering 
> process is
> fairly easy.  They will send you the records by regular mail and 
> then you
> send the money ( I think even a check will  do.)  I haven't done 
> that part.
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
>     
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 

RE: [HN] UEBELSHAEUSER (IBELSHAUSER)

Date: 2005/11/04 20:45:37
From: sharon durels <sdurels(a)yahoo.com>

Thanks Barbie for the response.  
 
Yes, there were many Evilsizers in that area.  In fact, my 3x great-grandfather, Joshua Evilsizer died in Elkton, IL in 1846, but  I've never been able to find the cemetery that he's buried in.  
 
For many years Evilsizer descendants have researched this family and a book was published a few years ago....so, we have lots of information about our ancestors, but have never been able to determine our ancestor in Germany.  There were three brothers (or cousins) that were in the Hessian Army that came to the U.S. and two returned to Germany; the other one Nikolas Evilsizer (or Uebelschaser) deserted the army and was never heard from again.  Some think this Nikolas took the name of his brother (cousin), Jacob Evilsizer.  Jacob Evilsizer is our earliest ancestor (1779 in PA) that we have found in this country.

 

Many of us have tried to solve this riddle, but so far, no luck.

 

Thanks again.

Sharon


Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sharon,

Can't answer the question you've asked...

However,

I'm pretty sure I have seen the surname Evilsizer in the Washington County, 
Illinois, U.S.A. area.

I'm thinking I read somewhere that this famly was one of W.C. earliest 
settlers.

Barbie
St. Louis

>From: sharon durels 
>Reply-To: Hannover-L 
>To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Subject: [HN] UEBELSHAEUSER (IBELSHAUSER)
>Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:04:56 -0800 (PST)
>
>I realize that most of you are researching in the Hannover area, but 
>thought I would submit this query anyway regarding the Hessen area, where 
>our ancestor possibly came from.
>
>I am trying to determine the origin of the surname "Evilsizer". In 1779 
>our ancestor's name was recorded as "Jacob Evelsheimer" and later in 1799, 
>he signed his name as Jacob Uebelsauftzer, giving his daughter, Mary 
>Evilsizer, permission to marry.
>
>There are various spellings in the old records of his name... some are 
>Ewelszeiser, Evilsisor, Ebelsheiser. I would appreciate anyone's thoughts 
>regarding the name.
>
>Thanks very much.
>Sharon
>
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>
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RE: [HN] Meyer Hannover

Date: 2005/11/04 21:37:28
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

Hi Ginny,

I have been following the discussion about researching your MEYER ancestors
with interest because I went through similar problems looking for my several
MEYER lines. My son lived for a number of years in Hermann, MO so I am also
familiar with that area. I did a few quick searches myself.

I had no problem finding your MEYER family in the census of 1860, 1870 and
1880 but they were all enumerated in St Louis. Here is a listing of the
family names in each of those years.

1860
Fred Meyer	32	Hanover
Mary		32	Hanover
Wilhelmine	13	Hanover
Charlotte	9	Hanover
Lena		7	Hanover
Fred		6	Hanover
Henry		4	Mo
Carl		1	Mo

1870
Wm Meyer	43	Hanover
Mary		43	Hanover
Charlotte	19	Hanover
Caroline	17	Hanover
Fred		16	Hanover
Ferd?		15	Mo
John		12	Mo
Wm		11	Mo
Chs		10	Mo
Lina		8	Mo
August	7	Mo
Herm		6	Mo

1880
Meyer, Henry Wm	52	Germany
	 Mary		53	   "
	 Friedr. Wm	25	Gasconnade, Mo
	 Johann	22	   "					
	 August	17	   "
	 Wilhelm	20	   "
	 Hermann	15	   "
	 Charles	20	St Louis, MO
	 Ernst	9	   "
	 Lina		19	Missouri

I think you will also find Mary Meyer in the 1900 Census of St Louis living
with her granddaughter.
None of this solves the problem of finding their home village but it perhaps
shows that you should be looking in the St Louis church and civil records.
The St Louis Library has a wonderful genealogy section with many of the
records on microfilm. Death records and birth records may have the
information you are looking for.

Good luck with your research.
Paul Scheele 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Ginny C
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:08 PM
> To: Hannover-L
> Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer Hannover
> 
> Hi Barbara,
> I know the name is really common. I have never seen mine spelled any
> differently. It is true that Henry was listed that way in most records but
> the 1870 record has him as William! That is my earliest record and the one
> that gives his and his wife's birthplace as Hannover.
> 
> Do the emigration archives not give family groups like our census records!
> Henry did have a son, August Meyer born in 1863. Thanks for your help. I
> am
> going to work with google a bit more.
> Ginny in AZ


Re: [HN] Meyer Response

Date: 2005/11/04 21:59:49
From: JRodenburg <JRodenburg(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 11/3/2005 11:12:12 PM Central Standard Time, 
barbie8674(a)hotmail.com writes:


> they were catholic or lutheran.  Mary Gebhardt-Meyers 
> obit says she was buried in Lutheran Cemetary.  I have no clue which 
> cemetary in St. Louis city was called "Lutheran Cemetary."
> 
> 

Probably Concordia.
Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg
Rodenburg (Tarmstedt, Hannover)
Brunkhorst (Hannover)
Werner (Langen, Hesse-Darmstadt),
Steinke (Pommern)
Krause (Pommern)
Schröder (Warsow, Mecklenburg-Schwerin), 
Meyer (Wechold, Hannover)
Zum Mallen (Schierholz, Hannover) 
Röhrdanz (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/04 23:51:43
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Bob,

These are from the Hannover records:

PERS    Marhenke, Christine    683 Alfeld
PERS    Marhenke, Heinrich August Ludwig    683  Alfeld



These are from the Wolfenbüttel records:

PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    4838  Amt Eschershausen
PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8454  Amt Holzminden
PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8455  (date1847) Amt Holzminden
PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8456  (date1847) Amt Holzminden

The Wolfenbüttel archives seems to put the place of origin in a particular
area, not necessarily the town itself.  I think the "Amt" means it could
include other towns in the area.

If you want to order records, you'll need the code which I can give you.

Barbara


on 11/4/05 11:26 AM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:

> Barbara,
> 
> Thanks for the information, I must not be doing things correctly.  How
> about you putting in my name Marhenke at the Hannover selection and see
> if you can get beyond the names for me?----Bob
> 
> 
> On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:50:07 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> writes:
>> Hello Bob,
>> 
>> There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for
>> permission to
>> emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
>> Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's up
>> to maybe
>> the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.
>> 
>> Searching the Osnabrück, Hannover, Wolfenbüttel emigration
>> records
>> is done by going to the website:
>> 
>> http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
>> 
>> It is a little confusing to use, especially if you don't  know
>> German.  On
>> the first page:
>> Choose one of the three locations on the bar & click Abschicken
>> Go to Index in the middle of the page and click
>> Fill in the surname you are looking for in the box "Suchbegriff"
>> Choose Personen where it says nach Ort
>> Click on Suchen starten and you will get a list of persons who
>> emigrated
>> from Germany with that name.  Or you may get nothing! Try all the
>> same
>> search on all 3 locations.
>> Note the number on the right column. That number will direct you
>> to the
>> town later.  Click on a name that matches a person you are looking
>> for and
>> you will get a code that will be what you use to order the record.
>> Finding what area the person comes from is not easy. On the
>> Hannover
>> site, it names a town right in the code.  For Osnabrück and
>> Wolfenbüttel it
>> is harder. Go back to the page where you first clicked on Index and
>> this
>> time click on 
>> Gliederung.  
>> There you will see a list of towns and if you click on the
>> numbers on
>> the left, you will get a list of all the people from that area.  The
>> numbers
>> start with 1 and go up from there.  So if the number is 5 digits it
>> will be
>> closer to the bottom of the list. But you have to go to the  one
>> that has
>> the number in it from the right column of the page with the list of
>> names.
>> When  you find the right one, the code will match the code you saw
>> earlier
>> tied to the name you were looking for. I know this is confusing.  I
>> have
>> explained  the process many times on this site and it never  is very
>> clear!
>> Then, you can order the records from one of the 3 locations.
>> The email
>> addresses are:
>> Hannover -   poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
>> Osnabrück -  poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
>> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
>> 
>> You have to realize that these emigration records cover only
>> certain
>> years--and not everybody is listed there.  None of my relatives are.
>> You're
>> lucky if you find them!!
>> Several people on the list have explained that the ordering
>> process is
>> fairly easy.  They will send you the records by regular mail and
>> then you
>> send the money ( I think even a check will  do.)  I haven't done
>> that part.
>> 
>> Barbara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
>> 
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
>> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] Emigration archives - ACCESS

Date: 2005/11/05 00:39:20
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hi Max,
Maybe the Security Settings on your internet access are set at "High".
Sometimes after I've downloaded the latest Microsoft update I find I can't access favourite websites.

Go to: Control Panel and click on the Internet Options logo.
On the top tabs choose "Security" and click.

That page is divided into three. Somewhere on that page, possibly about the middle is a panel entitled "Security Level For This Zone' and within the panel is a slider which you can move up & down with your mouse - mine is pointed to 'Medium' and I can access most websites. I've discovered a few government sites don't have current Microsoft certification which then denies me access. You can get round this by instructing your computer to give you access.

On the same 'Security' page there is a row of icons - look for the "Trusted Sites" - mine is green with a white tick. Click on this sign. Below those icons is the Green Internet Globe icon and alongside is the wording "Internet - these are the websites not on ...." This action should make available a button marked "Sites" - click on the button. This action will open another page where you type in and enter the http://www..... of the site you would like to access. When you've finished don't forget to click on the "Apply" button.

Rena in England
--

Barbara
I've tried to the websites you provided to Bob but have been denied access to the Index page. Any suggestion?
Max

From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 09:50:07 EST
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Emigration archives

Hello Bob,

       There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for permission to
emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
Wolfenbüttel. I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's up to maybe
the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.




Re: [HN] Emigration archives - ACCESS

Date: 2005/11/05 00:56:27
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Dear Rena,

 I want to explain about Max.  He is quite old and so  much wants to trace
his ancestor. I have covered the same territory several times, but he
forgets. I have worked with him off the list, but he inevitably returns to
the same questions. He knows Julius Burgdorf came Hildesheim from a ship
list.  I have done everything I can think of to help him.  It's sad, but
what more can we do? I've searched for Julius so many times in so many
places.  I've suggested he look at the Hildesheim records on the LDS
site--he's gone to the LDS center, but he's probably unable to gain anything
there.  There are plenty of Hildesheim films, but he probably can't go
through that process. It is sad.

Barbara




on 11/4/05 4:38 PM, Rena McCarthy at rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

> Hi Max,
> Maybe the Security Settings on your internet access are set at "High".
> Sometimes after I've downloaded the latest Microsoft update I find I can't
> access favourite websites.
> 
> Go to: Control Panel and click on the Internet Options logo.
> On the top tabs choose "Security" and click.
> 
> That page is divided into three.  Somewhere on that page, possibly about the
> middle is a panel entitled "Security Level For This Zone'
> and within the panel is a slider which you can move up & down with your
> mouse - mine is pointed to 'Medium' and I can access most websites.  I've
> discovered a few government sites don't have current Microsoft certification
> which then denies me access.  You can get round this by instructing your
> computer to give you access.
> 
> On the same 'Security' page there is a row of icons - look for the "Trusted
> Sites" - mine is green with a white tick.  Click on this sign.
> Below those icons is the Green Internet Globe icon and  alongside is the
> wording "Internet - these are the websites not on ...." This action should
> make available a button marked "Sites" - click on the button.
> This action will open another page where you type in and enter the
> http://www..... of the site you would like to access.  When you've finished
> don't forget to click on the "Apply" button.
> 
> Rena in England
> --
> 
> Barbara
> I've tried to the websites you provided to Bob but have been denied access
> to the Index page. Any suggestion?
> Max
>> 
>> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>> Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 09:50:07 EST
>> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Subject: [HN] Emigration archives
>> 
>> Hello Bob,
>> 
>> There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for permission to
>> emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
>> Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's up to
>> maybe
>> the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.
>> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/05 01:03:14
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for records on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.

Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/05 01:04:07
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Thanks Barbara,

I did get that far but I assumed there was more information options that
I was not finding.  Alfeld is close to where my Marhenke's came from but
I do not know these two with out dates or something else. I can get back
to the code with your previous instructions.

 Just in case any one is interested in Marhenke research I have a lot and
am open to sharing---Thanks again---Bob



On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:51:27 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
> Bob,
> 
> These are from the Hannover records:
> 
> PERS    Marhenke, Christine    683 Alfeld
> PERS    Marhenke, Heinrich August Ludwig    683  Alfeld
> 
> 
> 
> These are from the Wolfenbüttel records:
> 
> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    4838  Amt Eschershausen
> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8454  Amt Holzminden
> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8455  (date1847) Amt Holzminden
> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8456  (date1847) Amt Holzminden
> 
> The Wolfenbüttel archives seems to put the place of origin in a 
> particular
> area, not necessarily the town itself.  I think the "Amt" means it 
> could
> include other towns in the area.
> 
> If you want to order records, you'll need the code which I can give 
> you.
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> on 11/4/05 11:26 AM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:
> 
> > Barbara,
> > 
> > Thanks for the information, I must not be doing things correctly.  
> How
> > about you putting in my name Marhenke at the Hannover selection 
> and see
> > if you can get beyond the names for me?----Bob
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:50:07 -0700 R&B Stewart 
> <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> > writes:
> >> Hello Bob,
> >> 
> >> There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for
> >> permission to
> >> emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
> >> Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's 
> up
> >> to maybe
> >> the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.
> >> 
> >> Searching the Osnabrück, Hannover, Wolfenbüttel emigration
> >> records
> >> is done by going to the website:
> >> 
> >> http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
> >> 
> >> It is a little confusing to use, especially if you don't  know
> >> German.  On
> >> the first page:
> >> Choose one of the three locations on the bar & click Abschicken
> >> Go to Index in the middle of the page and click
> >> Fill in the surname you are looking for in the box "Suchbegriff"
> >> Choose Personen where it says nach Ort
> >> Click on Suchen starten and you will get a list of persons who
> >> emigrated
> >> from Germany with that name.  Or you may get nothing! Try all 
> the
> >> same
> >> search on all 3 locations.
> >> Note the number on the right column. That number will direct you
> >> to the
> >> town later.  Click on a name that matches a person you are 
> looking
> >> for and
> >> you will get a code that will be what you use to order the 
> record.
> >> Finding what area the person comes from is not easy. On the
> >> Hannover
> >> site, it names a town right in the code.  For Osnabrück and
> >> Wolfenbüttel it
> >> is harder. Go back to the page where you first clicked on Index 
> and
> >> this
> >> time click on 
> >> Gliederung.  
> >> There you will see a list of towns and if you click on the
> >> numbers on
> >> the left, you will get a list of all the people from that area.  
> The
> >> numbers
> >> start with 1 and go up from there.  So if the number is 5 digits 
> it
> >> will be
> >> closer to the bottom of the list. But you have to go to the  one
> >> that has
> >> the number in it from the right column of the page with the list 
> of
> >> names.
> >> When  you find the right one, the code will match the code you 
> saw
> >> earlier
> >> tied to the name you were looking for. I know this is confusing.  
> I
> >> have
> >> explained  the process many times on this site and it never  is 
> very
> >> clear!
> >> Then, you can order the records from one of the 3 locations.
> >> The email
> >> addresses are:
> >> Hannover -   poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
> >> Osnabrück -  poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
> >> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
> >> 
> >> You have to realize that these emigration records cover only
> >> certain
> >> years--and not everybody is listed there.  None of my relatives 
> are.
> >> You're
> >> lucky if you find them!!
> >> Several people on the list have explained that the ordering
> >> process is
> >> fairly easy.  They will send you the records by regular mail and
> >> then you
> >> send the money ( I think even a check will  do.)  I haven't done
> >> that part.
> >> 
> >> Barbara
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ______________________________________________
> >> 
> >> Hannover-L mailing list
> >> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >> 
> >> 
> > ______________________________________________
> > 
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
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> 
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 

Re: [HN] Emigration archives - ACCESS

Date: 2005/11/05 01:10:47
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

To the list,

      I have just made a major mistake by sending this letter to the entire
list when I meant it to go to Rena McCarthy.  I thought I had sent it to her
personal email, but I forgot to change the address on the reply email. I was
in a hurry and I got careless.

     I apologize to Max. I would like to ask everyone on the list to help
find Julius Burgdorf, Max's ancestor!  He is from Hildesheim and came to New
Orleans, but we can't get any more information than that.

Thank you, 
Barbara


on 11/4/05 4:56 PM, R&B Stewart at raybarbara(a)comcast.net wrote:

> Dear Rena,
> 
> I want to explain about Max.  He is quite old and so  much wants to trace
> his ancestor. I have covered the same territory several times, but he
> forgets. I have worked with him off the list, but he inevitably returns to
> the same questions. He knows Julius Burgdorf came Hildesheim from a ship
> list.  I have done everything I can think of to help him.  It's sad, but
> what more can we do? I've searched for Julius so many times in so many
> places.  I've suggested he look at the Hildesheim records on the LDS
> site--he's gone to the LDS center, but he's probably unable to gain anything
> there.  There are plenty of Hildesheim films, but he probably can't go
> through that process. It is sad.
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 11/4/05 4:38 PM, Rena McCarthy at rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> Maybe the Security Settings on your internet access are set at "High".
>> Sometimes after I've downloaded the latest Microsoft update I find I can't
>> access favourite websites.
>> 
>> Go to: Control Panel and click on the Internet Options logo.
>> On the top tabs choose "Security" and click.
>> 
>> That page is divided into three.  Somewhere on that page, possibly about the
>> middle is a panel entitled "Security Level For This Zone'
>> and within the panel is a slider which you can move up & down with your
>> mouse - mine is pointed to 'Medium' and I can access most websites.  I've
>> discovered a few government sites don't have current Microsoft certification
>> which then denies me access.  You can get round this by instructing your
>> computer to give you access.
>> 
>> On the same 'Security' page there is a row of icons - look for the "Trusted
>> Sites" - mine is green with a white tick.  Click on this sign.
>> Below those icons is the Green Internet Globe icon and  alongside is the
>> wording "Internet - these are the websites not on ...." This action should
>> make available a button marked "Sites" - click on the button.
>> This action will open another page where you type in and enter the
>> http://www..... of the site you would like to access.  When you've finished
>> don't forget to click on the "Apply" button.
>> 
>> Rena in England
>> --
>> 
>> Barbara
>> I've tried to the websites you provided to Bob but have been denied access
>> to the Index page. Any suggestion?
>> Max
>>> 
>>> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>>> Date: 2005/11/03 Thu PM 09:50:07 EST
>>> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>>> Subject: [HN] Emigration archives
>>> 
>>> Hello Bob,
>>> 
>>> There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for permission to
>>> emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
>>> Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's up to
>>> maybe
>>> the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________
>> 
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
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Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/05 03:17:12
From: Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>

I've been following the emigration archives exchange and searched for my Benecke family -- and may have found them! Now I'm wondering how to be reasonably sure that this is the correct family, and how do I order the record.

My ancestor who came to America was Johann Henry Benecke, who came to Minnesota in 1883. His parents were from Eddelstorf and were married at Altmendingen. His wife and children came with him. Around the same time, whether it was on the same ship or not I don't know, his mother-in-law Margarethe Backhaus came to America. She was from Bornsen, and I have birthplaces for two of her children as Natendorf and Gruensvolde. I know that some of these place names may be towns, some areas, and some churches -- as a side note, if anyone can clarify all of that, I'd be grateful!

On to what I found in the archives -- There is a Johann Heinrich Benecke 10899 Hanover, Hann 74 Medingen No. 130. There is a Margarethe Backhaus 10883 Hanover, Hann 74 Medingen No. 133. I've not come across "Medingen" before, but having the two names with the numbers so close together seems to me as though these people could be my ancestors.

I've not heard anything about these emigration archives prior to the emails that have been sent the past day or two, so would appreciate anyone helping me out.

Thanks!
Lila

[HN] emigrate website

Date: 2005/11/05 03:47:27
From: Gail Schrader <gscout1912(a)mindspring.com>

Hi List,

I had no trouble with getting on the website Barbara suggested.  I found a Schrader in the Wolfenbuttel list #13466 that I was interested in seeing where he was from but everytime I went back and clicked on Gliederung I got the following message.

The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded.

Can anyone help me solve this problem.

Gail Schrader

Re: [HN] emigrate website

Date: 2005/11/05 04:54:09
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Gail,

       I've wondered how you are doing with your research.  Anyway, you
asked about Wolfenbüttel archives listing a Shrader with the #13466.  I see
that number for a Schrader with no first name???  Or did you have interest
in the date (1854) that was given there? Once in awhile the date is given
and  I would guess that would be the year of emigration.   That number
points to the area of Seesen.  There are other persons that have numbers
#13467, 13468, etc. They would also be on the Seesen list.

    I have no idea why you can't get the Gliederung to open.   If you ever
get it and find Seesen, you will see some of those numbers listed there.
Seesen covers numbers 12742 - 13669. They are not always in order.  If you
look back at the Schrader list, you will see more names with some of those
code numbers.  

   Do you think that fits any of your family?

Barbara 





on 11/4/05 7:47 PM, Gail Schrader at gscout1912(a)mindspring.com wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> I had no trouble with getting on the website Barbara suggested.  I found a
> Schrader in the Wolfenbuttel list #13466 that I was interested in seeing where
> he was from but everytime I went back and clicked on Gliederung I got the
> following message.
> 
> The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded.
> 
> Can anyone help me solve this problem.
> 
> Gail Schrader
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] Emigration Archives

Date: 2005/11/05 05:17:45
From: Carol and Juan Lins-Morstadt <juanandcarol(a)yahoo.com>

Barbara -

Thanks for the information – with it I spent a 
couple of hours on the three sites trying to
locate a grand-uncle.  Adolf Morstadt, born
18 October 1824 in Stederdorf, Landkreis
Peine (east of Hannover) emigrated to the
US sometime around 1855 +- ten years and
settled in Petaluma, California.  

The information I am seeking for the family
history I am writing is:

Date and port of embarkation, the name of
the ship and port of debarkation.  

I will be most endebted to you if you could
help me.

Juan J. Lins-Morstadt, North Kingstown, RI  






[HN] schrader

Date: 2005/11/05 05:51:03
From: Gail Schrader <gscout1912(a)mindspring.com>

Hi Barbara,

Boy, I am not sure if that is the Heinrich Julius Schrader I am looking for or not.

I know he had to come to the American between 1853-1856.  So yes I was looking at the 1854 date.

I know he was born in Watzum which is south east of Braunschweig and was about 27 years old when he came over.

It is possible that he could have been living in Seesen.  I know he came alone to American made his way to Milwaukee where he got married on Aug. 4 1857.  I finally found that date in LDS record of St. Stephens Lutheran Church.  But I just can't seem to find the link back to Germany.

I sure wish I knew what Lutheran church the people of Watzum would have attended.  It would not have been in Watzum since it only has about 300 people.  My guess is that it would be a church in a larger neighboring town.

Any suggestion on finding his birth records or any other way to make a link with Germany?

Gail

Re: [HN] schrader

Date: 2005/11/05 07:21:39
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Gail,

       I think it would be a huge jump to presume that Schrader with no name
listed is your guy.  However, you could write an email to the Wolfenbüttel
archives and inquire about that. You'd have to get the whole code that goes
with that name.  Just ask them if it could be Heinrich Julius.  I also think
that those single names without a first name could be children.  Or maybe
they can't read the record, then you probably won't learn anything! You have
nothing to lose by writing the archives. The address is
     poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de     Do it!

       There is a church shown on the map for Watzum.  There is also a town
shown to the south Uehrde which could have church records. Did you ever look
on the LDS film which is a civil register for Watzum? Here are some church
listings and Watzum is there, but no email address.  The church may not have
been there in the mid-1800's?
  
http://www.schoeppenstedt.net/adr.phtml?La=1&TypSel=1.105&kat=601.111&plz=38
170&call=suche

     I've tried to do a  search for Schrader by using the numbers for
Schöppenstedt (12492-12741)and see if we could match them with one of the
Schraders.  Like a reverse search.  Watzum is very near Schöppenstedt and I
would think be included in the same list.  No real news here, but these
would possibly be from Watzum:
      August Ludwig Friedrich Schrader 12692 with the date 1854
      Marie Schrader 12694  1866
      Dorothee Schrader 12693 no date
      Do those ring any bells?
  
      Then there are listings for Schöningen which is not far from Watzum,
but farther east:
       Heinrich Schrader 12425  1859  (too late?)
       Christoph Schrader 12424  1859
    
        From all of this one could conclude that if your Heinrich was in
Watzum at the time he emigrated, he is not listed.
       If he had moved to Schöningen before emigrating, he won't be the
Heinrich above either.

      That is all -- many people are not on these lists!

Let me know what happens!
Barbara



on 11/4/05 9:50 PM, Gail Schrader at gscout1912(a)mindspring.com wrote:

> Hi Barbara,
> 
> Boy, I am not sure if that is the Heinrich Julius Schrader I am looking for or
> not.
> 
> I know he had to come to the American between 1853-1856.  So yes I was looking
> at the 1854 date.
> 
> I know he was born in Watzum which is south east of Braunschweig and was about
> 27 years old when he came over.
> 
> It is possible that he could have been living in Seesen.  I know he came alone
> to American made his way to Milwaukee where he got married on Aug. 4 1857.  I
> finally found that date in LDS record of St. Stephens Lutheran Church.  But I
> just can't seem to find the link back to Germany.
> 
> I sure wish I knew what Lutheran church the people of Watzum would have
> attended.  It would not have been in Watzum since it only has about 300
> people.  My guess is that it would be a church in a larger neighboring town.
> 
> Any suggestion on finding his birth records or any other way to make a link
> with Germany?
> 
> Gail
> ______________________________________________
> 
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Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/05 14:29:46
From: Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>

Can anyone tell me what the cost is to order records?

[HN] Vorfahren aus Niedersachsen

Date: 2005/11/05 15:39:20
From: Siegfriedknust <Siegfriedknust(a)aol.com>

Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder
mein Name ist Siegfried Knust und ich bin neu in dieser Liste.
Ahnenforschung betreibe ich erst seit ein paar Monaten.
Meine Vorfahren stammen so weit mir bekannt aus dem Kreis Alfeld/Leine, aus  
den Dörfern
Netze, Graste, Sack, Adenstedt, Hornsen und evtl. noch anderen?
Aktuell bin ich auf der Suche nach folgenden Personen:
Heinrich,Friederich, Ludwig Gödecke geb. 22.12.1882,(evtl.  Netze?) er war 
Schlachter und Anbauer, seine Ehefrau Lina,  Luise,Auguste Gödecke geb. Beihse 
wahrscheinlich aus Netze oder  Graste, zuletzt wohnhaft bis zu Ihrem Tode in 
Woltershausen.
Sie hatten 5 Kinder: Heinrich geb. ?, Adele geb. 04.08.1909, Emmi geb.?,  
Else geb.?Lehne geb.? (alle in Wolterhausen geboren).
Ich suche nach deren Geburts-Sterbedaten sowie nach Vorfahren der beiden  
Elternteile
 
Würde mich freuen wenn mir jemand helfen könnte.
 
Siegfried Knust (_siegfriedknust(a)aol.com_ (mailto:siegfriedknust(a)aol.com) )

Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/05 16:15:23
From: Rita Broeker <gardenwench4(a)charter.net>

I ordered  1 set  and it cost $40. The sad  [part  was it wasn't  the
relative I was seeking.I wasted  the money.
So  be very sure.

Rita Broeker
Missouri
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lila Burmeister" <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration archives


> Can anyone tell me what the cost is to order records?
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[HN] Marcus MATTFELD in BUXTEHUDE

Date: 2005/11/05 18:00:58
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Hello,
 
Marcus Mattfeld was born in Buxtehude abt. 1670. I am looking for more  
details in respect to his parents and his date of birth. Apreciating any  
information.
 
Regards,
Albin von Spreckelsen

[HN] Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/05 19:18:42
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Site Administrator
I know this type of posting is frowned upon but I ask your indulgence this one time. After this I promise to back off completely.

Barabara and Rita:
Barb, I readily accept your apopogy and thank you for requesting help for me from the list. Your comments were a tad abrasive but pretty much on target. I am old, 81 years old, and I would be the first to admit that I am not as sharp as I was 30 years ago. Part of the reason for my multiple questions is related to my change of servers and email address. I lost some files along with other computer problems during the change over. I apologize for the repetitious posting - I simply thought I would reach a new generation of poster that might have Burgdorf information.

And don't be sad. Genealogy-wise I have had some successes (Burgdorf excepted). I found my mother's ancestors (Dauenhauer) in Dahn, Germany back to the 1400's. I also traced my wife's paternal grandmother's family (Richard) back to Port Royal in Nova Scotia and to France ca 1650. Plus, my personal life is full doing church volunteer service, travel and of course genealogy research.

At my age my window of opportunity to travel is closing and I'm desparately trying to find the right Burgdorf. Pending my results I plan to go to Germany and to visit Dauenhauer and Burgdorf families.

To all posters I ask for tolerance and to cut a little slack for those of us who are not as advanced as others.

Thanks, Max 


Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/05 19:18:44
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Lila,

         Regarding the towns you mention, they are all in the area of
Medingen:
They are all south of Lüneburg and near Bad Bevensen:
    Altmedingen should be Altenmedingen
    Eddelstorf
    Natendorf
    Gruensvolde -  I can't find this one - probably wrong spelling or so
                           small it isn't on the map - I'll  look further
     Bornsen

           Is Johann Heinrich's wife on the list? If not and you are very
sure they came together, I would question whether you have the right guy.
Unless, he came by himself first and then sent for his wife and children.
That was a common thing to do. Did you notice that there was a Johann
Heinrich Ludwig Backhaus with the #10882?  That could be Margarethe's
husband or brother. ?

         Have  you ever considered a different spelling?  I looked at
Benekes without the C.  Names could be changed when filing for citizenship.
  
          Before ordering the records, you should look at the LDS films for
these towns, although there isn't anything very helpful.

          I'm playing the devil's advocate here. I'd clear up the question
about the wife before ordering records. She should be listed if they came
together.  However, not everybody's ancestors are on these lists!

Good luck,
Barbara

         

     





on 11/4/05 7:16 PM, Lila Burmeister at lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net wrote:

> I've been following the emigration archives exchange and searched for
> my Benecke family -- and may have found them!  Now I'm wondering how
> to be reasonably sure that this is the correct family, and how do I
> order the record.
> 
> My ancestor who came to America was Johann Henry Benecke, who came to
> Minnesota in 1883.  His parents were from Eddelstorf and were married
> at Altmendingen.  His wife and children came with him.  Around the
> same time, whether it was on the same ship or not I don't know, his
> mother-in-law Margarethe Backhaus came to America.  She was from
> Bornsen, and I have birthplaces for two of her children as Natendorf
> and Gruensvolde.  I know that some of these place names may be towns,
> some areas, and some churches -- as a side note, if anyone can
> clarify all of that, I'd be grateful!
> 
> On to what I found in the archives -- There is a Johann Heinrich
> Benecke 10899 Hanover, Hann 74 Medingen No. 130.  There is a
> Margarethe Backhaus 10883 Hanover, Hann 74 Medingen No. 133.  I've
> not come across "Medingen" before, but having the two names with the
> numbers so close together seems to me as though these people could be
> my ancestors.
> 
> I've not heard anything about these emigration archives prior to the
> emails that have been sent the past day or two, so would appreciate
> anyone helping me out.
> 
> Thanks!
> Lila
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Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/05 19:30:10
From: Jim <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>

It always make my hair stand on end when I hear the words, Low German or Old
Low German. Most of the Americans, even those with German heritage are
confused with what the words Low German and Plattdeutsch means. My
explanation is that it has everything to do with altitude and nothing to do
with attitude. Altitude as in Elevation and Attitude as in snobbishness. The
problem is with the translation of the word Platt. It is often translated
incorrectly as low and it seems to have gotten a firm hold and it would do
good to have this error corrected. The correct translation of the word Platt
can be found in the dictionary and that is Flat or Even. Once you look at a
topographical map you will see the reason for the name of the language. The
correction must come from the people such as yourselves who are active in
the saving of one of our cultural heritages.
Perhaps you have hear the expression, "speak the Kings English". One must
wonder what they were talking about as all of the first kings of what we now
call England were Germans and ruled there for over 500 years after having
driven the Romans out. After that came the French kings and brought French
in to the language that would later be called English.
Jim Decker

----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Vahlbruch" <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>
To: "NLF-Vereinsliste" <nlf(a)genealogy.net>; "Hannover-L"
<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:51 AM
Subject: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!


> Goden Dach leve Lüd,
>
> ick wull jüm dat mol wiesen. Dor is ein plattdüütsch "wickipedia"
> > http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6%C3%B6ftsiet
>
> Kunn ween, dat nüms een dat wuss hätt un nu mool dor rinkeeken wull.
> Dor kannst bannich veel bi lern und dat best is, dat man dor ock
> sülm mitmaaken kunn.
>
> Nu hepp wi all November und dat wart kold butten. Dat is de
> Tied von „Kohl un Pinkel“ un daarbi lett sik heel good över ole
> Tieden snacken, as Opa und Oma ehr Hochtied fiern dähn un wat de
> noch alns wussen vun de Familie, von dat Dörp wat du nich in de
> Karkenböker finn kannst. Man bi Gröönkohl un en lütten Kloarn,
> doar is jedereen ant Vertelln.
>
> Veel Spaas bi Ahnenforschung mit de plattdüütsch Lüüd.
>
> Klaus (Vahlbruch)
> *****************************************************************
>
>
> "Moin un willkamen bi de plattdüütsche (neddersassisch un
> oostnedderdüütsch) Utgaav vun Wikipedia.
>
> De Wikipedia is en free Nokieksel in mehr as 100 Spraken, wo jedereen
> an mitwarken kann. Man to! Schriev rin, wenn du wat weetst.
> Kiek na bi de Infos för Niege un bi Hülp. Siet April 2003 is de
> plattdüütsche Utgaav vun de Wikipedia an't Wassen un hett in dissen
> Momang 1.931 Artikels."
>
>        "Hinweis für alle, die nicht Plattdeutsch (Niedersächsisch
>        und Ostniederdeutsch) sprechen. Dies ist die plattdeutsche
>        (niedersächsische und ostniederdeutsche) Wikipedia.
>        Plattdeutsch ist eine Sprache, die von schätzungsweise
>        12 bis 15 Millionen Menschen in allen Erdteilen außer
>        der Antarktis gesprochen wird. Das ursprüngliche
>        Verbreitungsgebiet liegt zwischen dem IJsselmeer und der Memel
>        und umfasst Teile der Niederlande, Norddeutschlands, Süddänemarks
>        und Westpolens."
>
> "Information for all non Low Saxon and East Low German native
> speakers. This is the Low Saxon and East Low German (plattdüütsch)
> Wikipedia. The pair are closely related languages (you could also
> say that they both form a single language) and are spoken by 12 - 15
> million people on all continents except Antarctica. The native
> area is between the IJsselmeer and north west Poland, covering
> parts of the Netherlands, southern Denmark, northern Germany and
> what is now western Poland. The language is also closely related
> to other Low German languages (like Dutch), and to English;
> both of which developed from Old Low German."
>
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[HN] literatur

Date: 2005/11/05 19:34:34
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrter Herr Freytag,

 

Literatur heute in meinem Besitz: Sind da für mir noch andere Bücher usw. wichtig?

 

Niedersächsische Trauregister Calenberger Land, Band 1, zum 1700, 8. Lieferung.

 

Niedersächsische Trauregister Calenberger Land, Band 2, von 1701 bis 1750, 12. Lieferung.

 

Niedersächsische Trauregister Calenberger Land, Band 2, von 1701 bis 1750, 13. Lieferung.

 

Trauregister Aerzen 1751-1800.

 

Trauregister Hämelschenburg 1751-1800.

 

Trauregister Pyrmont-Oesdorf 1751-1800.

 

Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv Hannover nr. 6, Hameln, 1649.

 

Kopfsteuerbeschreibung Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen, Teil 6, von 1689.

 

Deutsche Ortssippenbücher, Reihe B, Band 37, Dehmkerbrock.

 

Deutsche Ortssippenbücher, Reihe B, Band 35, Dehrenberg.

 

Deutsche Ortssippenbücher, Reihe B, Band 29, Kirchbrak, 1641-1814.

 

Personenbeschreibung Hämelschenburg, Dep. 7C nr. 731, 1766.

 

Personenbeschreibung Amt Aerzen Dep. 7, nr. 723, 1757.  

 

Personenbeschreibung Hameln, 1C nr. 5, 1662.

 

Chronik 800 Jahre Griessem (Fleckens Aerzen).

 

Geschichte und Chronik des Dorfes Holzhausen, Band 1 + 2.

Re: [HN] Emigration Archives

Date: 2005/11/05 20:15:47
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
    
     I don't find Adolf Morstadt on ship lists or in the emigration
archives.  This person could be his sibling:
  http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=annada&id=I1535

     I would contact the person who owns that pedigree and see if you can
find more information that way.

     Have you looked at the books Germans to America?  There are names and
more information there.  These are usually found in public libraries.  There
are other books on passenger lists in public libraries.

     I take it that you are not so much interested in Germany information as
USA info.  You could find a lot more on Ancestry.com  That is fee-based, but
you can try it out for free for 14 days.  When I searched there, I saw a few
Adolph Morstadts.  

    Sorry I can't be of more help.

Barbara




on 11/4/05 9:11 PM, Carol and Juan Lins-Morstadt at juanandcarol(a)yahoo.com
wrote:

> Barbara -
> 
> Thanks for the information – with it I spent a
> couple of hours on the three sites trying to
> locate a grand-uncle.  Adolf Morstadt, born
> 18 October 1824 in Stederdorf, Landkreis
> Peine (east of Hannover) emigrated to the
> US sometime around 1855 +- ten years and
> settled in Petaluma, California.
> 
> The information I am seeking for the family
> history I am writing is:
> 
> Date and port of embarkation, the name of
> the ship and port of debarkation.
> 
> I will be most endebted to you if you could
> help me.
> 
> Juan J. Lins-Morstadt, North Kingstown, RI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/05 20:50:03
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Jim:

If you look in the List archives, you will find a time when there was a very lively discussion about Plattdeutsch. I believe that the general consensus was close to your's. I believe that Jane Swan presented a rather detailed discussion about it.

As far as the snobbishness is concerned, I believe that there always been a split between the farming communities and larger cities. When I was going to school in the Midwest, it was always the "country kids" vs the "city (population 900) kids". Fortunately, since we were outnumbered, we country kids were tougher.

Gale


On Thu, 2 Jan 1997 02:52:05 -0800
 "Jim" <jimcats(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
It always make my hair stand on end when I hear the words, Low German or Old Low German. Most of the Americans, even those with German heritage are confused with what the words Low German and Plattdeutsch means. My explanation is that it has everything to do with altitude and nothing to do with attitude. Altitude as in Elevation and Attitude as in snobbishness. The problem is with the translation of the word Platt. It is often translated incorrectly as low and it seems to have gotten a firm hold and it would do good to have this error corrected. The correct translation of the word Platt can be found in the dictionary and that is Flat or Even. Once you look at a topographical map you will see the reason for the name of the language. The correction must come from the people such as yourselves who are active in
the saving of one of our cultural heritages.
Perhaps you have hear the expression, "speak the Kings English". One must wonder what they were talking about as all of the first kings of what we now call England were Germans and ruled there for over 500 years after having driven the Romans out. After that came the French kings and brought French
in to the language that would later be called English.
Jim Decker

----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Vahlbruch" <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>
To: "NLF-Vereinsliste" <nlf(a)genealogy.net>; "Hannover-L"
<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:51 AM
Subject: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!


Goden Dach leve Lüd,

ick wull jüm dat mol wiesen. Dor is ein plattdüütsch "wickipedia"
> http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6%C3%B6ftsiet

Kunn ween, dat nüms een dat wuss hätt un nu mool dor rinkeeken wull. Dor kannst bannich veel bi lern und dat best is, dat man dor ock
sülm mitmaaken kunn.

Nu hepp wi all November und dat wart kold butten. Dat is de Tied von „Kohl un Pinkel“ un daarbi lett sik heel good över ole Tieden snacken, as Opa und Oma ehr Hochtied fiern dähn un wat de noch alns wussen vun de Familie, von dat Dörp wat du nich in de Karkenböker finn kannst. Man bi Gröönkohl un en lütten Kloarn,
doar is jedereen ant Vertelln.

Veel Spaas bi Ahnenforschung mit de plattdüütsch Lüüd.

Klaus (Vahlbruch)
*****************************************************************


"Moin un willkamen bi de plattdüütsche (neddersassisch un
oostnedderdüütsch) Utgaav vun Wikipedia.

De Wikipedia is en free Nokieksel in mehr as 100 Spraken, wo jedereen an mitwarken kann. Man to! Schriev rin, wenn du wat weetst. Kiek na bi de Infos för Niege un bi Hülp. Siet April 2003 is de plattdüütsche Utgaav vun de Wikipedia an't Wassen un hett in dissen
Momang 1.931 Artikels."

"Hinweis für alle, die nicht Plattdeutsch (Niedersächsisch und Ostniederdeutsch) sprechen. Dies ist die plattdeutsche (niedersächsische und ostniederdeutsche) Wikipedia. Plattdeutsch ist eine Sprache, die von schätzungsweise 12 bis 15 Millionen Menschen in allen Erdteilen außer
       der Antarktis gesprochen wird. Das ursprüngliche
Verbreitungsgebiet liegt zwischen dem IJsselmeer und der Memel und umfasst Teile der Niederlande, Norddeutschlands, Süddänemarks
       und Westpolens."

"Information for all non Low Saxon and East Low German native speakers. This is the Low Saxon and East Low German (plattdüütsch) Wikipedia. The pair are closely related languages (you could also say that they both form a single language) and are spoken by 12 - 15 million people on all continents except Antarctica. The native area is between the IJsselmeer and north west Poland, covering parts of the Netherlands, southern Denmark, northern Germany and what is now western Poland. The language is also closely related to other Low German languages (like Dutch), and to English;
both of which developed from Old Low German."

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[HN] Re: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 24, Eintrag 7

Date: 2005/11/05 21:10:10
From: Chris Roxburgh <chris_roxburgh(a)yahoo.com>

Barbara,
 
Perfect instructions!
 
Do you know what information is contained on the document that we would order?
 
Thanks
 
Chris

 




Chris.

		
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Re: [HN] Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/05 21:11:15
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

To the Group,
      I have written Max personally and I want to say a few words here.  I
do think it is wise to post our research names and places periodically,
since there are always new people on the list.  Max is no exception.
Hildesheim is a larger city and to find the correct Burgdorf family is quite
a challenge.  So--please keep the name Julius Burgdorf in mind.  Information
that is not on the internet one day may be there the next!
Barbara




on 11/5/05 11:15 AM, Max Burgdorf at pharmaxx(a)charter.net wrote:

> Site Administrator
> I know this type of posting is frowned upon but I ask your indulgence this one
> time. After this I promise to back off completely.
> 
> Barabara and Rita:
> Barb, I readily accept your apopogy and thank you for requesting help for me
> from the list. Your comments were a tad abrasive but pretty much on target. I
> am old, 81 years old, and I would be the first to admit that I am not as sharp
> as I was 30 years ago. Part of the reason for my multiple questions is related
> to my change of servers and email address. I lost some files along with other
> computer problems during the change over. I apologize for the repetitious
> posting - I simply thought I would reach a new generation of poster that might
> have Burgdorf information.
> 
> And don't be sad. Genealogy-wise I have had some successes (Burgdorf
> excepted). I found my mother's ancestors (Dauenhauer) in Dahn, Germany back to
> the 1400's. I also traced my wife's paternal grandmother's family (Richard)
> back to Port Royal in Nova Scotia and to France ca 1650. Plus, my personal
> life is full doing church volunteer service, travel and of course genealogy
> research.
> 
> At my age my window of opportunity to travel is closing and I'm desparately
> trying to find the right Burgdorf. Pending my results I plan to go to Germany
> and to visit Dauenhauer and Burgdorf families.
> 
> To all posters I ask for tolerance and to cut a little slack for those of us
> who are not as advanced as others.
> 
> Thanks, Max 
> 
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> 
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Re: [HN] Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/05 21:11:47
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Max:

Since you are responding to a listing which was already made, I think your e-mail was very appropriate. As for me, was very glad to see you respond, rather than going off the list and letting it get the best of you.

Yes, you are right continued similar listings can be boring, but if you have been following the list recently, you may have seen a listing by, I believe: Cindy about Meyers. She indicated that she got almost no response to her first listing. During the last 3 or 4 days, she must have received a couple of dozen responses. The whole thing is that if someone becomes bored, they now where the DELETE button is.

I understand your frustration about not being able to trace down a line of ancestors. On my mother's side, I know who my grandfather was, Joseph Ulysses Grant Lee, born in Greene or Christian county Missouri. The stork must have brought him, because, I have never found any reference about his father. I guess the Ulysses Grant middle names were disclaimers to distance them from the southern Lees.

On the other hand, my Grandmother, Joseph's wife was simple. I have that line going back to Thomas Pruett B 1616 Salisbury, Wiltshire Bedford England d 1660 Charles City York, Va, USA.

Persistence pays.
Good luck,

Gale

PS, if you ever run across that elusive Lee from Missouri, let me know.

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:15:22 -0500
 Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net> wrote:
Site Administrator
I know this type of posting is frowned upon but I ask your indulgence this one time. After this I promise to back off completely.

Barabara and Rita:
Barb, I readily accept your apopogy and thank you for requesting help for me from the list. Your comments were a tad abrasive but pretty much on target. I am old, 81 years old, and I would be the first to admit that I am not as sharp as I was 30 years ago. Part of the reason for my multiple questions is related to my change of servers and email address. I lost some files along with other computer problems during the change over. I apologize for the repetitious posting - I simply thought I would reach a new generation of poster that might have Burgdorf information.

And don't be sad. Genealogy-wise I have had some successes (Burgdorf excepted). I found my mother's ancestors (Dauenhauer) in Dahn, Germany back to the 1400's. I also traced my wife's paternal grandmother's family (Richard) back to Port Royal in Nova Scotia and to France ca 1650. Plus, my personal life is full doing church volunteer service, travel and of course genealogy research.

At my age my window of opportunity to travel is closing and I'm desparately trying to find the right Burgdorf. Pending my results I plan to go to Germany and to visit Dauenhauer and Burgdorf families.

To all posters I ask for tolerance and to cut a little slack for those of us who are not as advanced as others.

Thanks, Max
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Re: [HN] Re: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 24, Eintrag 7

Date: 2005/11/05 21:23:30
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Chris,
     I have not ordered anything from the archives, but I have a translation
of the Forward on the Osnabrück list.  This was done by Fred Rump from our
list and it explains what may be included on the records. I would imagine
that the records from Hannover and Wolfenbüttel would have   similiar
information.  
Barbara


Among the most significant social-historical phenonema of the 19th
century was the emigration wave from German lands toward North
America. The following directory attempts to encompass this
emigration for the period of 1825 to 1870 for the then extant
Landdrosteibezirk (regional administration) of Osnabrück which is
composed out of the present Counties of Osnabrück, Emsland and
Grafschaft Bentheim as well as the city of Osnabrück. The attempt to
cull data out of the archive is obviously on a best effort basis and
there is no way of knowing how many people emigrated without first
obtaining permission. Estimates vary but illegal emigration could be
as numerous as the legal ones.

Under emigration this document refers not only to the 'classical' use
of the word where emigration meant to go overseas, but also any
migration from the Kingdom of Hannover (since 1866, the Prussian
province of Hannover) to another European state or German state. The
given goal of destination  may not have corresponded with the actual
goal quoted in the documents.

The source documents without exception were the files maintained by
the Lower Saxon State Archives in Osnabrück.  Specifically the mid-
level (Landdrostei) and lower level regional (Ämter, Vogteien)
administrative districts as well as those documents held by the
archive from the various city archives (for example, Osnabrück,
Bramsche, Lingen, Neuenhaus & Quakenbrück).

The schema (classification) is ordered based upon the administrative
districts used in the second half of the 19th century by the
Landdrostei region of Osnabrück and encompasses next to the four
independent cities of Lingen, Melle, Osnabrück and Quakenbrück the
various Ämter (districts) which were in turn devided up into
Kirchspiele (parishes).  Within the parishes the emigrants are listed
alphabetically. The source references about any individual emigrant
are further ordered along the following schema: (1) Name and place of
residence, (2) date of birth or age and a birthplace if other then
the place of residence, (3) occupation, (4) name of the parents, (5)
family members also emigrating with reference as to their
relationship such as wife, brother, daughter, son etc., (6) religious
affiliation, (7) goal of emigration, (8) emigrations timing,
mentioned is the exact date but sometimes only the year an emigration
pass, a consent agreement was issued or the year the home residence
was vacated, (9) value of possessions, (10) comments, here follows an
abbreviated explanation giving the reasons of emigration for example
via references to family status or economical situations.

Archivist Herbert Budde did the analysis of the documents. He had
completed this task in 1982. Data entry was accomplished using
various available labor resources. The primary destination goal of
the emigrants leaving the area of Osnabrück was the USA with the most
often given city destinations being: Baltimore, Cincinnati, New York
and St. Louis. The city of Milwaukee, as well as the state of
Wisconsin, appear noticeably seldom in the sources even though this
area was a main destination of German emigration to America. People
from Osnabrück also emigrated to Argentina, Australia and Brazil. One
even finds individuals going to Chile, Cuba and the Dutch East/West
Indies.  The Netherlands without question dominates the number of
emigrants within the European state system. One needs to remember
though that the often mentioned goal of Amsterdam was not necessarily
a final destination point for the folks going there. It may well have
been nothing but an interim stop over for people going somewhere
overseas. The difficulties and dangers of an overseas emigration in
the 19th century can not be overemphasized - in the beginning it was
on sailboats and later on steamers. The most common explanation of
the 'why' of emigration that is revealed by the documents is the hope
for a 'better life'. By itself this indicates that the predominant
emigration push comes from the lowest and underprivileged social
strata of society who would dare all to achieve their goal especially
for their children. In the emigrant records of the people from
Osnabrück the most common occupations listed are maid, male and
female farm servants or day laborers. We can therefore assume that
the majority of the emigrants were landless and dependent workers in
a largely agrarian society. On the other hand we also find many
craftsmen and laborers. To complete the scenario there were
sculptors, men of the cloth, gymnasts and literary types who also
made their way overseas.

Literature (selection):
Aengenvoort, Anne: Migration - Siedlungsbildung - Akkulturation. Die
Auswanderung Nordwestdeutscher nach Ohio 1830 - 1914, Stuttgart 1999.
Bölsker-Schlicht, Franz: Von Schledehausen in die Neue Welt. Die
Nordamerika-Auswanderung im 19. Jahrhundert. In: Schelenburg -
Kirchspiel - Landgemeinde. 900 Jahre Schledehausen, Bissendorf 1990,
S. 341 - 362. Eiynck, Andreas: Emsländische Auswanderer in die
Niederlande (17. - 19. Jahrhundert). In: Osnabrücker Mitteilungen
103, 1998, S. 125 - 156. Harger, Swenna u. Loren Lemmen: Auswanderung
aus der Grafschaft Bentheim nach Nordamerika, Nordhorn 1996. Hinze,
Konrad: Auswanderungen nach Amerika aus dem Kirchspiel Belm. In:
Heimat-Jahrbuch für Osnabrück-Stadt und -Land, Osnabrück 1975.
Holtmann, A.: Aus den nördlichen Niederlanden und dem deutschen
Nordwesten nach Nordamerika. Motive und Reiseerfahrungen der
Auswanderer im 19. Jahrhundert. In: Rondom Eems en Dollard,
Groningen, Leer 1992, S. 433 - 449. Kamphoefner, Walter D., Peter
Marschalck u. Birgit Nolte-Schuster: Von Heuerleuten und Farmern. Die
Auswanderung aus dem Osnabrücker Land nach Nordamerika im 19.
Jahrhundert (Begleitband zur gleichnamigen Ausstellung des
Landschaftsverbandes Osnabrücker Land e.V. und der Stadt
Quakenbrück), Bramsche 1999. Rolf, Hubert K.: Auswanderer nach
Nordamerika. In: Geschichte zwischen den Feldern (Beiträge zur
Geschichte Georgsmarienhüttes und seiner Stadtteile Bd. 3),
Georgsmarienhütte 1997, S. 69 - 74. Tenfelde, Walter: Auswanderungen
und Auswanderer aus dem ehemaligen Kreise Lingen nach Nordamerika,
Lingen 1993. Thörner, Udo: Spurensuche - Auswanderer aus dem
Osnabrücker Land in den USA. In: Osnabrücker Land 1998, Heimat-
Jahrbuch, S. 263 - 276. Voort, Heinrich: Die ersten Amerika-
Auswanderer aus dem Flecken Bentheim. In: Jahrbuch des Heimatvereins
der Grafschaft Bentheim 1981, Nordhorn 1980.

Translated by W. Fred Rump
Feb. 25, 2003





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> 
> Perfect instructions!
> 
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> 
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Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdtsch!

Date: 2005/11/05 22:04:48
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Jim:

Go back to February 2004 [Hannover-l archives] for more. I wistfully refer to it as the great Plattdeutsh War! Klaus V has had a few interesting things to add since that time.

What I want to know is how your post from January 2, 1997 on the subject just arrived here. Hell, you were the last to contribute but the first to send, putting you way ahead of the curve -- and your time!

And I thought only US Postal had horror stories to match. ;)

Greets from the coast

Jb


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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 02:52:05 -0800

It always make my hair stand on end when I hear the words, Low German or Old
Low German. Most of the Americans, even those with German heritage are
confused with what the words Low German and Plattdeutsch means. My
explanation is that it has everything to do with altitude and nothing to do
with attitude. Altitude as in Elevation and Attitude as in snobbishness....

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Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdtsch! PS

Date: 2005/11/05 22:09:41
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

PS You may want to update the clock on your computer. 1997 was a good year BUT ... all good things must end. ;)

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[HN] Ortssippenbuchs

Date: 2005/11/06 04:06:44
From: Fat Cat <oakbrook7(a)charter.net>

Hello,
   Does any one know if there is an Ortsippenbuch for Esperke?  Thank you.
Fat Cat

[HN] Re: Emigration Archives

Date: 2005/11/06 04:23:26
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Lila:  Re: the fee - I wrote to Hannover and they said the cost is 19.00 EUR per quarter hour and the average enquiry takes at least a half hour.  Furthermore, the check must be in Euros which let me out because my bank charges $35 for an international MO!!!  They were kind enough to tell me what years cerrtain archives covered but you are still taking a chance it is not even the person you are looking for, especially with a common name.  Try every other way you can think of first.    Jane


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Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/06 05:18:15
From: Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>

Barbara,
Thanks for the help. The Beneckes do spell their name without the "c" today. I have the trunk that Johann Heinrich brought to America with him. It has painted on the front "H. Benecke, New Albin, Stat Iova, North Amerika" which is why I've been spelling the name with a "c" in Germany. I grew up on the farm that he and his family came to just north of the Iowa/Minnesota state line. I have several pictures of the family, but not a lot of information to go with them.

When he came to America, he used the name "Henry", but his name in his obituary is written as Johann Henry. I also have a letter from a distant relative who did some research several years ago. It is from Jurgen Ritter, Pinkenburger Str. 19F, 30655 Hannover doing research for “Niedersachsischer Landesverein Fur Familienkunde e.V” and was written in 1997. That lists Johann Heinrich as a child of Heinrich Christoph Behnecke and Maria Margaretha Geffert, who both died in Germany, as did a brother and sister of Johann. There are no other children listed.

I also know that his wife, Elizabeth Backhaus Benecke, came over with him, and as I said earlier, her mother Margaretha Kohlmeyer Backhaus came either with them or around the same time. They also had 4 children, William, Henry, Herman and Gustav. Gustav was 2 years old and died on the voyage. My mom remembers being told that he was buried in New York because they were close to America when he died, so he was not buried at sea. I have never been able to find out anything else about their voyage, other than they arrived here in 1883.

As you can probably tell, I've not done research outside of the US before, and not much in the US either. I have the church records from here for baptisms, confirmations, etc. of their children, and their deaths, and have gotten some place names from those, which you responded to in another email.

It sound from others (thanks Rita and Jane!) like the records are rather expensive to order, and they very likely aren't mine. Somewhere I got the impression that the wife and children weren't listed by themselves on those lists, but would be included under the husband -- not sure where that idea came from.

So, if you or anyone has any ideas of where to go from here, I'd like hearing from you again! Thanks again for your help.

Lila


Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/06 06:30:21
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello  Lila,

       Someone had written on the list that Hannover archives charged 19E
per quarter hour.  If you only wanted one record, that ought to be found
pretty easily. 

       Before doing that, you could write to the Hannover archives and ask
them if the wife and children were listed separately. You could also ask
them what year the Johann Heinrich emigrated  from Medingen.  Maybe they
would tell you that without charge. You have nothing to lose.

      Do a lot of Google searches with different combinations of words.  I
just did one for "Benecke Altenmedingen" and found this.  You might be
interested in this website.  There's a lot to read there and you can post
something yourself.  There must be a reference to Altenmedingen there
someplace:
www.benecke.com/theclan.html

    You might look here for some immigrant ship listings for Benecke:
    http://www.CastleGarden.org/

     Also, http://www.immigrantships.net/  has tons of shiplists and more
are added all the time.
     I don't know the wife's name - here is a listing from 1883 with some
Beneckes listed:
    http://immigrantships.net/v4/1800v4/hammonia18831009_03.html

     To find pedigrees look here: http://geneanet.org/
     
     Obviously, if you cannot find the church records available, you are
going to have to search other ways.  It can be done, but it is so much
harder.  You could probably write to churches, etc. The Beneckes will be
scattered over all those towns in that area.  An important town is (Bad)
Bevensen which is a bit larger. Look here and you will see what church
records are in that area:
      http://www.hist.de/ybevensen.htm

Use the LDS site often.  They have some film for some of the towns, but none
are very helpful.  You should run a search at the LDS for Johann Benecke
(with no dates) and you will be surprised how many there are, with lots of
variations in spelling.  There are some mentioned in Bevensen and maybe
others in the area. I just looked at it very quickly.

Happy hunting!
Barbara

     

    



    




on 11/5/05 9:08 PM, Lila Burmeister at lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net wrote:

> Barbara,
> Thanks for the help.  The Beneckes do spell their name without the
> "c" today.  I have the trunk that Johann Heinrich brought to America
> with him.  It has painted on the front "H. Benecke, New Albin, Stat
> Iova, North Amerika" which is why I've been spelling the name with a
> "c" in Germany.  I grew up on the farm that he and his family came to
> just north of the Iowa/Minnesota state line.  I have several pictures
> of the family, but not a lot of information to go with them.
> 
> When he came to America, he used the name "Henry", but his name in
> his obituary is written as Johann Henry.  I also have a letter from a
> distant relative who did some research several years ago.  It is from
> Jurgen Ritter, Pinkenburger Str. 19F, 30655 Hannover doing research
> for ³Niedersachsischer Landesverein Fur Familienkunde e.V²  and was
> written in 1997.  That lists Johann Heinrich as a child of Heinrich
> Christoph Behnecke and Maria Margaretha Geffert, who both died in
> Germany, as did a brother and sister of Johann.  There are no other
> children listed.
> 
> I also know that his wife, Elizabeth Backhaus Benecke, came over with
> him, and as I said earlier, her mother Margaretha Kohlmeyer Backhaus
> came either with them or around the same time.  They also had 4
> children, William, Henry, Herman and Gustav.  Gustav was 2 years old
> and died on the voyage.  My mom remembers being told that he was
> buried in New York because they were close to America when he died,
> so he was not buried at sea.  I have never been able to find out
> anything else about their voyage, other than they arrived here in 1883.
> 
> As you can probably tell, I've not done research outside of the US
> before, and not much in the US either.   I have the church records
> from here for baptisms, confirmations, etc. of their children, and
> their deaths, and have gotten some place names from those, which you
> responded to in another email.
> 
> It sound from others (thanks Rita and Jane!) like the records are
> rather expensive to order, and they very likely aren't mine.
> Somewhere I got the impression that the wife and children weren't
> listed by themselves on those lists, but would be included under the
> husband -- not sure where that idea came from.
> 
> So, if you or anyone has any ideas of where to go from here, I'd like
> hearing from you again!  Thanks again for your help.
> 
> Lila
> 
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Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/06 07:22:16
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>


Hi Lila,

It is a German custom that a person is called by the name closest to the surname.  Many times the first name is that of a saint.  Also, there can be a number of children in a family with the first name.

Bobbi



 --- On Sat 11/05, Lila Burmeister < lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net > wrote:
From: Lila Burmeister [mailto: lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net]
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:08:15 -0600
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration archives

When he came to America, he used the name "Henry", but his name in  his obituary is written as Johann Henry.  


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[HN] Hartmann - Salzgitter

Date: 2005/11/06 07:54:08
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>


Hi,

I am looking for information from Salzgitter on the family of 
John Frederick Hartmann (English translation of name), 
his wife Auguste Siefer(s) b. about 1838, 
son Fritz, b. 1860,
son Henry (Heinrich?), b. 1862,
son Julius, b. 1864,
daughter Auguste, b. 1867.

They were a family of musicians.  On various records I have them listed as arriving in the U.S. in 1867, 1868, 1871 and 1875.  I don't know if they came separately in different years.

I am looking to go back further.  

Thank you.

Bobbi


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RE: [HN] Emigration archives

Date: 2005/11/06 10:14:42
From: Ruppert, Max <ruppertm(a)SABIC.com>

Dear Barbara,

I've seen your conversation with Bob regarding the records of people who have emigrated form Germany, and that there were three places where they could have gone to apply for emigration. Are these three places only for people who emigrated from the Hannover district? I'm on the hunt for my gr grandfather who moved with his family to South Africa around 1899-1900. They were from the town of Solingen/Wuppertal in the Westfalen district/province. Do you know if there are similar records available for people who applied for emigration from there?

Regards,  

Max Ruppert (Max) 

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Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 3:02 AM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration archives

Thanks Barbara,

I did get that far but I assumed there was more information options that
I was not finding.  Alfeld is close to where my Marhenke's came from but
I do not know these two with out dates or something else. I can get back
to the code with your previous instructions.

 Just in case any one is interested in Marhenke research I have a lot and
am open to sharing---Thanks again---Bob



On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:51:27 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
> Bob,
> 
> These are from the Hannover records:
> 
> PERS    Marhenke, Christine    683 Alfeld
> PERS    Marhenke, Heinrich August Ludwig    683  Alfeld
> 
> 
> 
> These are from the Wolfenbüttel records:
> 
> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    4838  Amt Eschershausen
> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8454  Amt Holzminden
> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8455  (date1847) Amt Holzminden
> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8456  (date1847) Amt Holzminden
> 
> The Wolfenbüttel archives seems to put the place of origin in a 
> particular
> area, not necessarily the town itself.  I think the "Amt" means it 
> could
> include other towns in the area.
> 
> If you want to order records, you'll need the code which I can give 
> you.
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> on 11/4/05 11:26 AM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:
> 
> > Barbara,
> > 
> > Thanks for the information, I must not be doing things correctly.  
> How
> > about you putting in my name Marhenke at the Hannover selection 
> and see
> > if you can get beyond the names for me?----Bob
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:50:07 -0700 R&B Stewart 
> <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> > writes:
> >> Hello Bob,
> >> 
> >> There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for
> >> permission to
> >> emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
> >> Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's 
> up
> >> to maybe
> >> the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.
> >> 
> >> Searching the Osnabrück, Hannover, Wolfenbüttel emigration
> >> records
> >> is done by going to the website:
> >> 
> >> http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
> >> 
> >> It is a little confusing to use, especially if you don't  know
> >> German.  On
> >> the first page:
> >> Choose one of the three locations on the bar & click Abschicken
> >> Go to Index in the middle of the page and click
> >> Fill in the surname you are looking for in the box "Suchbegriff"
> >> Choose Personen where it says nach Ort
> >> Click on Suchen starten and you will get a list of persons who
> >> emigrated
> >> from Germany with that name.  Or you may get nothing! Try all 
> the
> >> same
> >> search on all 3 locations.
> >> Note the number on the right column. That number will direct you
> >> to the
> >> town later.  Click on a name that matches a person you are 
> looking
> >> for and
> >> you will get a code that will be what you use to order the 
> record.
> >> Finding what area the person comes from is not easy. On the
> >> Hannover
> >> site, it names a town right in the code.  For Osnabrück and
> >> Wolfenbüttel it
> >> is harder. Go back to the page where you first clicked on Index 
> and
> >> this
> >> time click on 
> >> Gliederung.  
> >> There you will see a list of towns and if you click on the
> >> numbers on
> >> the left, you will get a list of all the people from that area.  
> The
> >> numbers
> >> start with 1 and go up from there.  So if the number is 5 digits 
> it
> >> will be
> >> closer to the bottom of the list. But you have to go to the  one
> >> that has
> >> the number in it from the right column of the page with the list 
> of
> >> names.
> >> When  you find the right one, the code will match the code you 
> saw
> >> earlier
> >> tied to the name you were looking for. I know this is confusing.  
> I
> >> have
> >> explained  the process many times on this site and it never  is 
> very
> >> clear!
> >> Then, you can order the records from one of the 3 locations.
> >> The email
> >> addresses are:
> >> Hannover -   poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
> >> Osnabrück -  poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
> >> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
> >> 
> >> You have to realize that these emigration records cover only
> >> certain
> >> years--and not everybody is listed there.  None of my relatives 
> are.
> >> You're
> >> lucky if you find them!!
> >> Several people on the list have explained that the ordering
> >> process is
> >> fairly easy.  They will send you the records by regular mail and
> >> then you
> >> send the money ( I think even a check will  do.)  I haven't done
> >> that part.
> >> 
> >> Barbara
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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[HN] I found a death cert record for Julius Bergdorff.

Date: 2005/11/06 10:22:20
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Max,

Illinois Statewide Death Index, 1916–1950 (online)

Lists

Julius W. Bergdorff

Age unknown

Certificate # 0012287

Date of death - 22 April 1921

City - Litchfield

County - Montgomery

Date Filed- 21 April 1923

Researchers who are unable to visit the Illinois State Archives Reference Room may direct requests for death certificates after 1915 to the Illinois Department of Public Health.

You can order record online at:

http://www.idph.state.il.us/vitalrecords/deathorder_online.htm

Barbie-Lew a.k.a.  CacturFlower
St. Louis


BERGDORFF JULIUS W M/W UNK 0012287 1921-04-22 MONTGOMERY LITCHFIELD 21-04-23

Illinois Statewide Death Index, 1916–1950


From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Burgdorf
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:15:22 -0500

Site Administrator
I know this type of posting is frowned upon but I ask your indulgence this one time. After this I promise to back off completely.

Barabara and Rita:
Barb, I readily accept your apopogy and thank you for requesting help for me from the list. Your comments were a tad abrasive but pretty much on target. I am old, 81 years old, and I would be the first to admit that I am not as sharp as I was 30 years ago. Part of the reason for my multiple questions is related to my change of servers and email address. I lost some files along with other computer problems during the change over. I apologize for the repetitious posting - I simply thought I would reach a new generation of poster that might have Burgdorf information.

And don't be sad. Genealogy-wise I have had some successes (Burgdorf excepted). I found my mother's ancestors (Dauenhauer) in Dahn, Germany back to the 1400's. I also traced my wife's paternal grandmother's family (Richard) back to Port Royal in Nova Scotia and to France ca 1650. Plus, my personal life is full doing church volunteer service, travel and of course genealogy research.

At my age my window of opportunity to travel is closing and I'm desparately trying to find the right Burgdorf. Pending my results I plan to go to Germany and to visit Dauenhauer and Burgdorf families.

To all posters I ask for tolerance and to cut a little slack for those of us who are not as advanced as others.

Thanks, Max

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RE: [HN] Julius Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/06 10:51:50
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Max,

There is


Burgdorf, Julius

File - 11264

Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel,  Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1849 Nr. 245


Include ^ infor and Email to:

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Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/06 10:52:17
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

"Plattdütsch" is real plattdütsch, shortform = platt (wi snakt platt),

"Plattdeutsch" is a mix of hochdütsch(High German) and plattdütsch(Low German),

the real Hochdeutsch(High German) or Amtsdeutsch (officialese) is the word "Niederdeutsch" = Low German

But normaly we use the word Plattdeutsch.

Therefore,
Plattdeutsch and Niederdeutsch is the same and the correct translation is "Low German".

"Low German" is an independent language, no dialect.

I hope it help,
Werner Honkomp


> It always make my hair stand on end when I hear the words, Low German or
> Old
> Low German. Most of the Americans, even those with German heritage are
> confused with what the words Low German and Plattdeutsch means. My
> explanation is that it has everything to do with altitude and nothing to
> do
> with attitude. Altitude as in Elevation and Attitude as in snobbishness.
> The
> problem is with the translation of the word Platt. It is often translated
> incorrectly as low and it seems to have gotten a firm hold and it would do
> good to have this error corrected. The correct translation of the word
> Platt
> can be found in the dictionary and that is Flat or Even. Once you look at
> a
> topographical map you will see the reason for the name of the language.
> The
> correction must come from the people such as yourselves who are active in
> the saving of one of our cultural heritages.
> Perhaps you have hear the expression, "speak the Kings English". One must
> wonder what they were talking about as all of the first kings of what we
> now
> call England were Germans and ruled there for over 500 years after having
> driven the Romans out. After that came the French kings and brought French
> in to the language that would later be called English.
> Jim Decker

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Klaus Vahlbruch" <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>
> To: "NLF-Vereinsliste" <nlf(a)genealogy.net>; "Hannover-L"
> <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:51 AM
> Subject: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!


>> Goden Dach leve Lüd,
>>
>> ick wull jüm dat mol wiesen. Dor is ein plattdüütsch "wickipedia"
>> > http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6%C3%B6ftsiet
>>
>> Kunn ween, dat nüms een dat wuss hätt un nu mool dor rinkeeken wull.
>> Dor kannst bannich veel bi lern und dat best is, dat man dor ock
>> sülm mitmaaken kunn.
>>
>> Nu hepp wi all November und dat wart kold butten. Dat is de
>> Tied von „Kohl un Pinkel“ un daarbi lett sik heel good över ole
>> Tieden snacken, as Opa und Oma ehr Hochtied fiern dähn un wat de
>> noch alns wussen vun de Familie, von dat Dörp wat du nich in de
>> Karkenböker finn kannst. Man bi Gröönkohl un en lütten Kloarn,
>> doar is jedereen ant Vertelln.
>>
>> Veel Spaas bi Ahnenforschung mit de plattdüütsch Lüüd.
>>
>> Klaus (Vahlbruch)
>> *****************************************************************


Re: [HN] Ortssippenbuchs

Date: 2005/11/06 11:53:20
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Hi Fat Cat!


>     Does any one know if there is an Ortsippenbuch for Esperke?  Thank you.
> Fat Cat

88 "Ortsfamilienbuecher" (that's like Ortssippenbuecher) with 1.200.000 persons do you find under:

www.online-ofb.de

Guenther Schweizer published (in the internet) in 1997 a list of many books under the title "Ortssippenbuecher und Familienbuecher".
Didn't find Esperke in this list.
Maybe that he updated the list. Have a look!!

Be cautious! Fat cats are an easy prey of speedy dogs!! :-)

Regards from Germany

Klaus (Stahl)




Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdtsch!

Date: 2005/11/06 11:56:44
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear Listies,

I had always assumed the Platt in Plattdutsch that translates to Low Germany had to do with sea level....:) My sis lives near Charleston, S.C. and slang for the area is "Low Country" because for the most part the locality is at or below sea level.

So I always figured Lower Saxony derived it's name the same way. Lower Saxony is north of Saxony, Germany. Well made sense to me.

I figured Platt...derived from Plateau.

Barbie



[HN] Adolph Heinrich Schiermeier

Date: 2005/11/06 12:25:29
From: David Muldner <david.muldner(a)gmail.com>

Liebe Mitglieder,
 ich bin auf der Suche nach weitere Daten, sowie Vorfahren der
 Adolf Heinrich Schiermeier geboren um 1771 Langenholzhauzen, verheiratet
Dordrecht (NL) 1795, in das Mitgliedschaftsverzeichnis der lutherische
Kirche in Dordrecht steht er aber als "kommende aus Oldorf" dies konnte sich
daan auf Hess. Oldendorf (?) beziehen.
 eventuelle Verwandter:
Johann Friedrich Schiermeier im Mitgliedverzeichnis der Lutherische Kirche
in Dordrecht 1781, "uit Holthuysen, Pruisen", verheiratet Dordrecht 1783. Es
war ja ganz zufällig, wann dieser Johann Friedrich nicht auch aus
Langenholzhauzen stammte.
 Besten Dank im voraus für jeder Hilfe!
 mit freundlichem Gruss

--
David Müldner

[HN] EHLERS - Salzgitter - Klein Mahner

Date: 2005/11/06 12:34:29
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hi
I've seen that others are researching the same area as me.

I'd appreciate it if you'd look at your b.m.d. images for the period 1810-1866 and send me any image that contain these names:

EHLERS,  JORDAN, DETTMANN, DORMANN, FLAMME, GUNTHER, BIELSTEIN

Thanks,
Rena in England


[HN] Hartmann - Salzgitter

Date: 2005/11/06 12:34:30
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

I find I've got a September 1866 HARTMANN/SIEVERS (baptism of a girl Augusta) image in my EHLERS/BIELSTEIN musicians folder :-)) :-))

I'll contact you offline.

On the same 1866 sheet are the names:
MEYER/Muller, MARTIN/Ehlers, HOBEIN/illegible [-cko-]

Rena in England
=

From: "bobbidoll" <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>
Hi,

I am looking for information from Salzgitter on the family of
John Frederick Hartmann (English translation of name),
his wife Auguste Siefer(s) b. about 1838,
son Fritz, b. 1860,
son Henry (Heinrich?), b. 1862,
son Julius, b. 1864,
daughter Auguste, b. 1867.

They were a family of musicians.  On various records I have them listed as
arriving in the U.S. in 1867, 1868, 1871 and 1875.  I don't know if they
came separately in different years.

I am looking to go back further.

Thank you.

Bobbi


Re: [HN] Benecke/Backhaus

Date: 2005/11/06 13:24:31
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,


Häuserverzeichnis der Stadt Haselünne...

Not sure if still online.

However.

Listed both surnames of Beneke and Backhaus.

Barbie-Lew
a.k.a. CactusFlower

St. Louis



RE: [HN] I found a death cert record for Julius Bergdorff.

Date: 2005/11/06 13:50:33
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>




From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] I found a death cert record for Julius Bergdorff.
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 03:22:11 -0600

Dear Max,

Illinois Statewide Death Index, 1916–1950 (online)

Lists

Julius W. Bergdorff

Age unknown

Certificate # 0012287

Date of death - 22 April 1921

City - Litchfield

County - Montgomery

Date Filed- 21 April 1923-  ERROR!!!!!  My bad.  Should be

23 April 1921.




Researchers who are unable to visit the Illinois State Archives Reference Room may direct requests for death certificates after 1915 to the Illinois Department of Public Health.

You can order record online at:

http://www.idph.state.il.us/vitalrecords/deathorder_online.htm

Barbie-Lew a.k.a.  CacturFlower
St. Louis


BERGDORFF JULIUS W M/W UNK 0012287 1921-04-22 MONTGOMERY LITCHFIELD 21-04-23

Illinois Statewide Death Index, 1916–1950


From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Burgdorf
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:15:22 -0500

Site Administrator
I know this type of posting is frowned upon but I ask your indulgence this one time. After this I promise to back off completely.

Barabara and Rita:
Barb, I readily accept your apopogy and thank you for requesting help for me from the list. Your comments were a tad abrasive but pretty much on target. I am old, 81 years old, and I would be the first to admit that I am not as sharp as I was 30 years ago. Part of the reason for my multiple questions is related to my change of servers and email address. I lost some files along with other computer problems during the change over. I apologize for the repetitious posting - I simply thought I would reach a new generation of poster that might have Burgdorf information.

And don't be sad. Genealogy-wise I have had some successes (Burgdorf excepted). I found my mother's ancestors (Dauenhauer) in Dahn, Germany back to the 1400's. I also traced my wife's paternal grandmother's family (Richard) back to Port Royal in Nova Scotia and to France ca 1650. Plus, my personal life is full doing church volunteer service, travel and of course genealogy research.

At my age my window of opportunity to travel is closing and I'm desparately trying to find the right Burgdorf. Pending my results I plan to go to Germany and to visit Dauenhauer and Burgdorf families.

To all posters I ask for tolerance and to cut a little slack for those of us who are not as advanced as others.

Thanks, Max

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[HN] Sending money overseas.

Date: 2005/11/06 14:27:09
From: bdoerr <bdoerr(a)rollanet.org>

There are agencies in the USA that will write checks in foreign currencies 
for a small fee.

You can order by check or credit card; they send you a check made out to 
the overseas payee that you specify. I have had no problem with the system.


Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks.


[HN] BRÖKER (To Rita)

Date: 2005/11/06 15:46:53
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Rita,

Gloria's Shrine of St. Joseph marriages online..


TIMMER, Heinrich
(Widower of Maria BRUNS*)
Not listed
EULEN, Gesina
Rudolph & (Deceased) Maria BRÖKER [Broeker] **
Gerhard BRÜGIN [Bruegin] & Maria Brugin
12 Feb 1861


What I find interesting about ^ record is this.

Lucas Feldhaus m. M. Adelhaide Tobben.

Adelheid Tobben had a brother names Ber. Hein. Tobben

Parents of Adelheid and Bern. Tobben

believed to be...

Joh. Heinrich Tobben and Maria Helena Wolters


Parents of Joh. Heinrich Tobben.

believed to be...

Bern. Heinrich Tobben and Gelsina TIMMER.

Buried at Calvary together are Anna M. Breuemmer-Tobben, Bernard H Tobben, William B. Briggen, Stephen Gilmore, Helena Gilmore, Herbert Pease, Bernard Briggen Sr*** Lillian Briggen **Pease.

Anyhow..

May not mean anything but I thought interesting.

Barbie-Lew
a.k.a. CactusFlower
St. Louis



RE: [HN] BRKER (To Rita)

Date: 2005/11/06 15:55:18
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Rta,

Oh yeah.

My 5GGF Bern. Hein. Tobben b. circa 1773 Helte, Bokeloh, Lower Saxony, Germany. I presume my Gesina Timmer born circa that era also. So the Gessina Eulen (Dullen?) Timmer cannot possibly be same individual..

But the names are interesting I think.

I have seen BRÖKER also at:

Häuserverzeichnis der Stadt Haselünne


From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] BRÖKER  (To Rita)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 08:46:42 -0600

Dear Rita,

Gloria's Shrine of St. Joseph marriages online..


TIMMER, Heinrich
(Widower of Maria BRUNS*)
Not listed
EULEN, Gesina
Rudolph & (Deceased) Maria BRÖKER [Broeker] **
Gerhard BRÜGIN [Bruegin] & Maria Brugin
12 Feb 1861


What I find interesting about ^ record is this.

Lucas Feldhaus m. M. Adelhaide Tobben.

Adelheid Tobben had a brother names Ber. Hein. Tobben

Parents of Adelheid and Bern. Tobben

believed to be...

Joh. Heinrich Tobben and Maria Helena Wolters


Parents of Joh. Heinrich Tobben.

believed to be...

Bern. Heinrich Tobben and Gelsina TIMMER.

Buried at Calvary together are Anna M. Breuemmer-Tobben, Bernard H Tobben, William B. Briggen, Stephen Gilmore, Helena Gilmore, Herbert Pease, Bernard Briggen Sr*** Lillian Briggen **Pease.

Anyhow..

May not mean anything but I thought interesting.

Barbie-Lew
a.k.a. CactusFlower
St. Louis


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[HN] My problem doing genealogy...

Date: 2005/11/06 17:29:13
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear listies,

Please pardon cohesion in message.  Mostly I take notes...

For example...

Shrine of St. Joseph (online marriage) St. Louis, MIssouri, U.S.A. records.


FOSSHAGE, Bernard
August (Deceased) & Elisabeth MERSCHMANN
EBELING**, Anna
Heinrich & Catharina HORMANN
Joseph Ebeling & Anna Fosshage**
24 Feb 1892

FRANZ, Mathias
Johann (Deceased) & Elisabeth EICHHORN
HARTMANN, Anna J**
ohann (Deceased) & Wilhelmina STOCKER
John HEPHNER, Friedrich Eichhorn, Mina Hartmann & Rosa CONLY
28 Jan 1875


My problem.

I seem to think I recognize ^ surnames. Thing is... I wonder if only my imagination. I recognize one name and look for it and sticks to me..only its the surname I remember..not the first name.


Anna Sophia Foshage-Feldhaus is one pointer to me.

Rosa Conly is another because of a Elizbeth Connel and Joseph Feldhaus sp. a marriage at St. Josephs.

Ebling I have noticed on this mail list. Hartmann I have noticed on mail list.

There was a Helena Adelheid Mest who was witness to Feldhaus baptisms at St. Josephs. I later noticed a record that mentioned Helena Adelheid Mest, born Horman...

HOORMANN, Heinrich
Herman (Deceased) & Angela MATLAGE
MERSCH, Catharina
Clement & Maria Elisabeth BOOK**
Silvester Heinrich HANEKES & Johanna LEON
2 Oct 1879

Here I again notice the name Hoorman..associated with Book. I think in St. Louis there were Toeben m. Book.

And..

I know a family named Henke.

KEMNA, Anton
Heinrich & (Deceased) Elisabeth HOLLENBECK
SIEDLER, Catharina
Clement & (Deceased) Eva HANSELER
Heinrich MEYERPETER & Henrietta FENNEWALD
3 Nov 1870

^

Theresia Miller m. Tom Sadler...and also a stretch...but Theresia also decended from Meierpeter/Meyers.... !!!!

THOMES, Heinrich
Herman & Gesina ***????
OLDIGES*, Teola (Tecla?)
Herman & Elisabeth
Johann Joseph BOEWER & Gesina KESSENS
14 Mar 1879

Bernard Tobben m. Anna Margareth Bruemmer
Sponsers were Lucas Feldhaus & Gesina [Thom?]

SCHNELT, Johann Bernard
Johann Wilhelm (Deceased) & Elisabeth BOWE
RÖVE [Roeve], Elisabeth
Bernard & Margaretha OLIGES***
Lucas FELDHAUS** & Adelheid TRANNEL
9 Jul 1863

I thnk maybe I take genealogy a bit to far....

But again..it's nice also to meet cousins of cousins.

Barbie-Lew
a.k.a. CactusFlower
St. Louis



Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/06 17:46:36
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Barbie,

      That would be good news for Max, except for the date of 1849.  He has
evidence from a shiplist that Julius emigrated from Hildesheim in 1860.
That Julius Burgdorf on the Wolfenbüttel list comes from Amt Salder.
      
Barbara
       
     


on 11/6/05 2:51 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> Dear Max,
> 
> There is
> 
> 
> Burgdorf, Julius
> 
> File - 11264
> 
> Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel,  Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1849 Nr. 245
> 
> 
> Include ^ infor and Email to:
> 
> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/06 17:54:06
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear Barbara,

I'm glad you could figure out the place. Closest place I could figure was Braunswieg [spelling]..

Darn..I was thinking he said 1850.

But then...Illinois death cert for Julius W. Bergdorff...1920's would be a stretch from 1850.

But then again...I have an Irish grandma born circa 1847-1849 who died in 1940...and she was a widow in 1880 and listed her job...washing and ironing..

Can you imagine?

Barbie

From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:42:51 -0700

Barbie,

That would be good news for Max, except for the date of 1849. He has
evidence from a shiplist that Julius emigrated from Hildesheim in 1860.
That Julius Burgdorf on the Wolfenbüttel list comes from Amt Salder.

Barbara




on 11/6/05 2:51 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> Dear Max,
>
> There is
>
>
> Burgdorf, Julius
>
> File - 11264
>
> Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel,  Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1849 Nr. 245
>
>
> Include ^ infor and Email to:
>
> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
>
>
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>
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Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/06 18:02:07
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Barbie,

      I think Julius Burgdorf lived in New Orleans.  Problem is that
Burgdorf is a fairly common name.  There are even two towns named Burgdorf!

Barbara



on 11/6/05 9:53 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> 
> Dear Barbara,
> 
> I'm glad you could figure out the place.  Closest place I could figure was
> Braunswieg [spelling]..
> 
> Darn..I was thinking he said 1850.
> 
> But then...Illinois death cert for Julius W. Bergdorff...1920's would be a
> stretch from 1850.
> 
> But then again...I have an Irish grandma born circa 1847-1849 who died in
> 1940...and she was a widow in 1880 and listed her job...washing and
> ironing..
> 
> Can you imagine?
> 
> Barbie
> 
>> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Subject: Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf
>> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:42:51 -0700
>> 
>> Barbie,
>> 
>> That would be good news for Max, except for the date of 1849.  He
>> has
>> evidence from a shiplist that Julius emigrated from Hildesheim in 1860.
>> That Julius Burgdorf on the Wolfenbüttel list comes from Amt Salder.
>> 
>> Barbara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/6/05 2:51 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Max,
>>> 
>>> There is
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Burgdorf, Julius
>>> 
>>> File - 11264
>>> 
>>> Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel,  Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1849 Nr. 245
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Include ^ infor and Email to:
>>> 
>>> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> Hannover-L mailing list
>>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
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Re: [HN] Burgdorf mail list searches..

Date: 2005/11/06 18:03:34
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Max,

I remember

618-406-8359 cell
Randy Huetsch
New Hannover, Red Bud area Illinois.

Knows of a Burgdorf Family in ^ area.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

38272 Burgdorf bei Salzgitter
This Burgdorf is located about 18km east of Hildesheim.......

Is Solde anywhere near Hildesheim?

If yes http://www.wernersiemer.de
mentions a Maria Katharina Burgdorf (b. b. 10 FEB 1805 Söhlde) daughter of Johan Freidrich Burgdorf and Margarete Elizabeth Hagemann.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have a Frederick Loehring who was born 1817 in Hanover Kalefeld Germany, don't know when he came to us. Was in the civil war. He married Dorothea Burgdorf*** they had Charles Frederick. 1853 MO> William 1860 MO> Alvina 1867 IL> Louisa ? In 1860 he was in Monroe Co, Red Bud, Ill. I would like to know when he came over. I know they lived a while in St. Louis, his wife was buried there. Any help would be appreciated.

Author of post: Lydababes(a)aol.com

I'm guessing the Burgdorf mentioned ^ likely of the family J. Huetsch new of from New Hannover/Red Bud, Illinois area.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Family search lists:

Juliane Christine Henriette Burgdorf* m. Joh.Michael Christoph Feuerstack
Gender: F Marriage: 1792 Hohenassel Stift Hildesheim

Submitter: Lothar HLAVENSKY

Webpage: http://www.genealogy.hlavensky.de

Site in German. Does has contact email info. Perhaps worth worth sending him a mail. Perhaps he could advise how marriage record was located.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Achilles Ahlborg Becker Behrens Bock Bothe Bolm Breyhahn Brennecke Brunke Bunse Burgdorf*** Kassebaum Kronemann Dege Degeke Deike Deiterbeck Dencks/Deneke Diederichs Düerkop/Theuerkauf Eggers Ehrenberg Ewald Fricke Friehe Gerhard Gerke Germer Gosemann Hahne Haarnagel Hartung Hartwig Havekost Heinemann Heitefuß Hille Keck Kiehne Klages Klucke König Körner Kunze Lemmermann Leßmann Linne Meyenburg Mull Mummentie Mund Ohlendorff Plumeyer Prahmann Reimer Ritter Samptleben Sander Sante Schacht Schaper Schweckendieck Sonnemann Südekum Tacke Tappe Voß Warneke Wedde Weidemann Wesche Wollers

Goslar, Altkreis (Hildesheimischer Vorharz)

Gunnar Söffge
soeffge(a)soeffge.net

German Genealogy Server.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Barbie-Lew







From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:42:51 -0700

Barbie,

That would be good news for Max, except for the date of 1849. He has
evidence from a shiplist that Julius emigrated from Hildesheim in 1860.
That Julius Burgdorf on the Wolfenbüttel list comes from Amt Salder.

Barbara




on 11/6/05 2:51 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> Dear Max,
>
> There is
>
>
> Burgdorf, Julius
>
> File - 11264
>
> Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel,  Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1849 Nr. 245
>
>
> Include ^ infor and Email to:
>
> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
>
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Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/06 18:07:30
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Barbara,

I guess I was stuck on the idea that he arrived in New Orleans. Lots of people did. Doesn't mean they stayed put.

Barbie


From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 10:00:50 -0700

Hi Barbie,

      I think Julius Burgdorf lived in New Orleans.  Problem is that
Burgdorf is a fairly common name.  There are even two towns named Burgdorf!

Barbara



on 11/6/05 9:53 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

>
> Dear Barbara,
>
> I'm glad you could figure out the place. Closest place I could figure was
> Braunswieg [spelling]..
>
> Darn..I was thinking he said 1850.
>
> But then...Illinois death cert for Julius W. Bergdorff...1920's would be a
> stretch from 1850.
>
> But then again...I have an Irish grandma born circa 1847-1849 who died in
> 1940...and she was a widow in 1880 and listed her job...washing and
> ironing..
>
> Can you imagine?
>
> Barbie
>
>> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Subject: Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf
>> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:42:51 -0700
>>
>> Barbie,
>>
>> That would be good news for Max, except for the date of 1849.  He
>> has
>> evidence from a shiplist that Julius emigrated from Hildesheim in 1860.
>> That Julius Burgdorf on the Wolfenbüttel list comes from Amt Salder.
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> on 11/6/05 2:51 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Max,
>>>
>>> There is
>>>
>>>
>>> Burgdorf, Julius
>>>
>>> File - 11264
>>>
>>> Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel, Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1849 Nr. 245
>>>
>>>
>>> Include ^ infor and Email to:
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/06 18:41:02
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear Barbara,

I think that Julius Burgdorf in the statarchiv is under the same file number as a Conrad and Sophie Burgdorf and a couple others.

I think someone on list mentoned a Conrad in Cape Girardeau, Mo. If is isn't Max's family..the family who that Julius Burgdorf belongs to..I'm thinking..almost betting had ties in Missouri and Illinois.

Barbie.

From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Julius Burgdorf
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:42:51 -0700

Barbie,

That would be good news for Max, except for the date of 1849. He has
evidence from a shiplist that Julius emigrated from Hildesheim in 1860.
That Julius Burgdorf on the Wolfenbüttel list comes from Amt Salder.

Barbara




on 11/6/05 2:51 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> Dear Max,
>
> There is
>
>
> Burgdorf, Julius
>
> File - 11264
>
> Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel,  Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1849 Nr. 245
>
>
> Include ^ infor and Email to:
>
> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
>
>
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[HN] Ports of Departure for Morstadt

Date: 2005/11/06 19:06:17
From: Carol and Juan Lins-Morstadt <juanandcarol(a)yahoo.com>

Good morning, Barbara -

Thanks for the info on my relative Emma Morstadt,
I1535.  Alexander Fricke provided me with her and
her siblings names and other data.  Among her 
siblings is Adolf Morstadt.  

The info from Ancestry.com below is interesting but
unfortunately of no particular help.  Does any of
this make sense to you?

Cheers -

Juan
__________________________________________________

--- "Ancestry.com" <myfamily(a)reply.myfamilyinc.com>
wrote:

> From: Ancestry.com <myfamily(a)reply.myfamilyinc.com>
> To: <juanandcarol(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Ports of Departure for Morstadt
> Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:30:27 -0000
> 

---------------------------------
                                                      
                                                      
                              We have some interesting
facts about the Morstadt 
name.                                                 
      

Dear Juan,
          
We have information about the name Morstadt - taken
from our US Immigration Collection - that we thought
might interest you:

Ports of Departure for Morstadt      
Port Morstadt Immigrants        
Bremen, Germany and Southampton, England    3       
Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland    2       
Le Havre, France    2        
Brest and La Havre, France    1        
Bremen, Germany    1  





RE: [HN] EHLERS - Salzgitter - Klein Mahner

Date: 2005/11/06 19:21:56
From: Maurice Woolsoncroft <wrightcroft(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Rena, 
I am not currently looking at German except the messages on the listings.  
Glad you are still digging.   I am having
good luck in the Virginia and North Carolina states and working to prove an
ancestor moved to Tennessee in 1783.
Not much documentation left behind as they made their way through
wilderness to homestead and start a settlement
which became Nashville, TN.   We are still enjoying mild sunny weather here
in Kansas.  I have been harvesting 
flower seeds and moving them or saving them.   There was a deer convention
this AM under the White Oak tree, with 
some deer standing on hind legs to nibble on the acorns.   I harvested a
few acorns myself, as would like to plant
them, for more trees; which in turn will probably draw more deer..... grin.
Best Wishes.     

Maurice Woolsoncroft
wrightcroft(a)earthlink.net





Re: [HN] Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/06 19:31:26
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info>

Max Burgdorf wrote:

At my age my window of opportunity to travel is closing and I'm desparately trying to find the right Burgdorf. Pending my results I plan to go to Germany and to visit Dauenhauer and Burgdorf families.

Max,
For 40 years I wanted to go to Germany and visit the villages of my ancestors. Fortunately, it took that long for it to happen, because it took 40 years before I was able to identify the village of each each of my ancestors. Admittedly, I wasn't searching during all those 40 years. I started dreaming young, and I had to raise my 5 kids before I could get back into serious genealogy.

You may not have 40 years left to travel, but I wish you all the best in your searching, and I hope you, too, get to visit the towns of your ancestors. For me it really was a dream come true.

Mona

Photos of our trip are on web site, URL shown below.

--
Mona Houser
HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/


Re: [HN] Hartmann - Salzgitter

Date: 2005/11/06 19:35:09
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Bobbi,
     
       Have you looked at the records that the LDS have on microfilm:

Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1808-1874   Evangelische Kirche Salzgitter (Kr. Goslar)
Parish records of births, marriages and deaths of Salzgitter (Kr. Goslar).

      If you live near an LDS center, you can order the microfilm and view
it there. 

      Salzgitter is a little confusing to me.  On the map, it looks like an
area, not one city. From what I read, it was founded by the Nazis in 1942
which made 29 small cities into one city.  Perhaps there may be church
records for some of the cities separately. ???

Barbara



on 11/5/05 11:37 PM, bobbidoll at bobbidoll(a)myway.com wrote:

> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking for information from Salzgitter on the family of
> John Frederick Hartmann (English translation of name),
> his wife Auguste Siefer(s) b. about 1838,
> son Fritz, b. 1860,
> son Henry (Heinrich?), b. 1862,
> son Julius, b. 1864,
> daughter Auguste, b. 1867.
> 
> They were a family of musicians.  On various records I have them listed as
> arriving in the U.S. in 1867, 1868, 1871 and 1875.  I don't know if they came
> separately in different years.
> 
> I am looking to go back further.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Bobbi
> 
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Re: [HN] Emigration archives for Westfalen

Date: 2005/11/06 19:55:40
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Max,
      
        The emigration records we have been searching are only from the
former kingdom of Hannover.
     
Maybe you can find something here that could be helpful:

http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/emigration.html
scroll down to Nordrhein-Westfalen

      The LDS has some emigration records on microfilm.

Good luck,
Barbara




on 11/6/05 2:13 AM, Ruppert, Max at ruppertm(a)SABIC.com wrote:

> Dear Barbara,
> 
> I've seen your conversation with Bob regarding the records of people who have
> emigrated form Germany, and that there were three places where they could have
> gone to apply for emigration. Are these three places only for people who
> emigrated from the Hannover district? I'm on the hunt for my gr grandfather
> who moved with his family to South Africa around 1899-1900. They were from the
> town of Solingen/Wuppertal in the Westfalen district/province. Do you know if
> there are similar records available for people who applied for emigration from
> there?
> 
> Regards,  
> 
> Max Ruppert (Max)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Bob Marhenke
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 3:02 AM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration archives
> 
> Thanks Barbara,
> 
> I did get that far but I assumed there was more information options that
> I was not finding.  Alfeld is close to where my Marhenke's came from but
> I do not know these two with out dates or something else. I can get back
> to the code with your previous instructions.
> 
> Just in case any one is interested in Marhenke research I have a lot and
> am open to sharing---Thanks again---Bob
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:51:27 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> writes:
>> Bob,
>> 
>> These are from the Hannover records:
>> 
>> PERS    Marhenke, Christine    683 Alfeld
>> PERS    Marhenke, Heinrich August Ludwig    683  Alfeld
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> These are from the Wolfenbüttel records:
>> 
>> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    4838  Amt Eschershausen
>> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8454  Amt Holzminden
>> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8455  (date1847) Amt Holzminden
>> PERS    Marhenke, Friedrich    8456  (date1847) Amt Holzminden
>> 
>> The Wolfenbüttel archives seems to put the place of origin in a
>> particular
>> area, not necessarily the town itself.  I think the "Amt" means it
>> could
>> include other towns in the area.
>> 
>> If you want to order records, you'll need the code which I can give
>> you.
>> 
>> Barbara
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/4/05 11:26 AM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Barbara,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the information, I must not be doing things correctly.
>> How
>>> about you putting in my name Marhenke at the Hannover selection
>> and see
>>> if you can get beyond the names for me?----Bob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:50:07 -0700 R&B Stewart
>> <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>>> writes:
>>>> Hello Bob,
>>>> 
>>>> There were 3 places where the Germans could apply for
>>>> permission to
>>>> emigrate (like a passport).  They are at Hannover, Osnabrück and
>>>> Wolfenbüttel.  I think the period covered is from the mid-1800's
>> up
>>>> to maybe
>>>> the late-1800's, but I'm not really sure about the dates.
>>>> 
>>>> Searching the Osnabrück, Hannover, Wolfenbüttel emigration
>>>> records
>>>> is done by going to the website:
>>>> 
>>>> http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
>>>> 
>>>> It is a little confusing to use, especially if you don't  know
>>>> German.  On
>>>> the first page:
>>>> Choose one of the three locations on the bar & click Abschicken
>>>> Go to Index in the middle of the page and click
>>>> Fill in the surname you are looking for in the box "Suchbegriff"
>>>> Choose Personen where it says nach Ort
>>>> Click on Suchen starten and you will get a list of persons who
>>>> emigrated
>>>> from Germany with that name.  Or you may get nothing! Try all
>> the
>>>> same
>>>> search on all 3 locations.
>>>> Note the number on the right column. That number will direct you
>>>> to the
>>>> town later.  Click on a name that matches a person you are
>> looking
>>>> for and
>>>> you will get a code that will be what you use to order the
>> record.
>>>> Finding what area the person comes from is not easy. On the
>>>> Hannover
>>>> site, it names a town right in the code.  For Osnabrück and
>>>> Wolfenbüttel it
>>>> is harder. Go back to the page where you first clicked on Index
>> and
>>>> this
>>>> time click on 
>>>> Gliederung.  
>>>> There you will see a list of towns and if you click on the
>>>> numbers on
>>>> the left, you will get a list of all the people from that area.
>> The
>>>> numbers
>>>> start with 1 and go up from there.  So if the number is 5 digits
>> it
>>>> will be
>>>> closer to the bottom of the list. But you have to go to the  one
>>>> that has
>>>> the number in it from the right column of the page with the list
>> of
>>>> names.
>>>> When  you find the right one, the code will match the code you
>> saw
>>>> earlier
>>>> tied to the name you were looking for. I know this is confusing.
>> I
>>>> have
>>>> explained  the process many times on this site and it never  is
>> very
>>>> clear!
>>>> Then, you can order the records from one of the 3 locations.
>>>> The email
>>>> addresses are:
>>>> Hannover -   poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
>>>> Osnabrück -  poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
>>>> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
>>>> 
>>>> You have to realize that these emigration records cover only
>>>> certain
>>>> years--and not everybody is listed there.  None of my relatives
>> are.
>>>> You're
>>>> lucky if you find them!!
>>>> Several people on the list have explained that the ordering
>>>> process is
>>>> fairly easy.  They will send you the records by regular mail and
>>>> then you
>>>> send the money ( I think even a check will  do.)  I haven't done
>>>> that part.
>>>> 
>>>> Barbara
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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[HN] EHLERS - Salzgitter - Klein Mahner

Date: 2005/11/06 20:21:30
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

"Maurice Woolsoncroft" <wrightcroft(a)earthlink.net> wrote:-

<<Hi Rena,
I am not currently looking at German except the messages on the listings.
Glad you are still digging. I am having good luck in the Virginia and North Carolina states and working to prove an ancestor moved to Tennessee in 1783.... >>

Hi Maurice
Thanks for your good wishes. In my search for a Sophie Ehlers, I've found some documentation from which I've made up a few small EHLERS family units, but baptisms of the children of this couple below elude me, so far I've only found reference to one 1823 Klein Mahner baptism but from the 1852 Salzgitter census (when they had 2 Flemme grandchildren living with them) they were procreating up to 1840 at least :-)

Ackerknecht Johann Heinrich Ehlers zu Flachstöckheim und Johanna
Katharina Mölm zu Gr. Floethe.

From what I can glean of my mother's grandfather Hermann Flamme/Flemme it
was a life of hardship: he was SENT with another boy to England when he was less than 10 yrs old in 1860's. This means his parents were poor? I've found the Bielstein musical school in England where the children were trained to busk the streets. I've also discovered the addresses of the 2 grocery shops Hermann Flamme/Flemme had until they were set upon when the English showed disapproval of all things German.

Best wishes,
Rena, researching Ev.Lutheran and Catholic 'Flamme/Flemme'


Re: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/06 20:52:41
From: hydraulikd1 <hydraulikd1(a)t-online.de>

Hi Ginny, my grand-grandmother's maiden name is Meyer, Doris Sophie Marie and her twin sister's name, Wilhelmine Marie Louise born April 6 1839 between 5 and 6 in the morning in Noepke near Neustadt am Rübenberge which belongs to the Hannover area.
Father, Johann Heinrich Mayer born  April 6 1809 in Noepke, mother Marie Dorothea Karsten born July 7 1808 in Nöpke. It was said my gr.gr.mothers twin sister went later to the US. I can imagine that she followed or went in company with a brother to the US.
Doris maried 1855 in Husum my gr gr father Heinrich Friedrich Beermann, born 1832 in Linsburg near Nienburg.
Kind Regards 
Karl H Beermann
  
"Ginny C" <ggineil(a)cybertrails.com> schrieb:
> Mid-September I posted the message below. I had one response asking about me 
> what town in Hannover my ancestor was from. I have no idea how to find that 
> answer. Does anyone know where I should begin?
> Thanks,
> Ginny in AZ
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> > Recently I learned that my great great grandfather, Henry William Meyer 
> > (b. 1827), came from Hannover.
> > He had 3 children born in Germany according to the U.S. 1870 Census--  
> > Charlote (b. 1851), Caroline (b. 1853), and Fred (b. 1854). His next 
> > child, also born in 1854, was born in the U.S. so I am assuming that he 
> > immigrated that year. His wife's name was Mary. I am quite sure that this 
> > family was evangelical Lutheran. I would greatly appreciate any help in 
> > trying to find birth or marriage records of this family. I do not know 
> > German, but my husband is able to do a little translating for me. Thanks 
> > for any help you can give.
> > Ginny in Arizona
> >
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Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/06 21:07:59
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Barbie is right,

I found an other example on my dictionary:

- Niederkalifornien (German) = Baja California (Spanish) = Lower California

Thank you,
Werner

> Dear Listies,

> I had always assumed the Platt in Plattdutsch that translates to Low
> Germany
> had to do with sea level....:)  My sis lives near Charleston, S.C. and
> slang
> for the area is "Low Country" because for the most part the locality is at
> or below sea level.

> So I always figured Lower Saxony derived it's name the same way.  Lower
> Saxony is north of Saxony, Germany.  Well made sense to me.

> I figured Platt...derived from Plateau.

> Barbie


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[HN] Burgdor

Date: 2005/11/06 22:44:08
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Barbie - Catus Flower
Thanks for the death info re Julius Bergdorff but sorry to say wrong one. My Julius died 29 June,1878 in New Orleans La. I have copy of death certificate.
Sounds like you are in the St.Louis/Metro East area. If so contact me off line and we may be able to share a cup of coffee.
Max


Re: RE: [HN] Julius Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/06 23:07:54
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Barbie,  Have request this information and will let you know of any results.
Max
> 
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> Date: 2005/11/06 Sun AM 04:51:42 EST
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: RE: [HN] Julius Burgdorf
> 
> Dear Max,
> 
> There is
> 
> 
> Burgdorf, Julius
> 
> File - 11264
> 
> Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel,  Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1849 Nr. 245
> 
> 
> Include ^ infor and Email to:
> 
> Wolfenbüttel  - poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
> 
> 
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[HN] Hartmann - Salzgitter

Date: 2005/11/06 23:39:10
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Barbara  <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote

     Salzgitter is a little confusing to me.  On the map, it looks like an
area, not one city. From what I read, it was founded by the Nazis in 1942
which made 29 small cities into one city.  Perhaps there may be church
records for some of the cities separately. ???
Barbara


Hi Barbara,
It is confusing isn't it?  I had a good 7 months productive research this
year and found this place existed early 1800's and one of the films at
familysearch shows the Salzgitter "Court Addresses" which were tallied each
year (originally each July then changed to December).
I was lucky enough to find that house number 86 of the 1852 Salzgitter list
(essentially a full census but without mention of a birthplace) was the
domicile of an Ehlers family I'm interested in.
The history of Salzgitter mentions annual Music Fests and I found some
streets in the 1800's were predominantly occupied by musicians.  I would be
interested in discovering how often the fests took place because one
December census showed the full musical Bielstein family, of parents and
young children, I'm also following - where they taking a break from
travelling to visit family for Xmas and were they the ones who took my
gt.grandfather to England from his home in Steinlah just a few miles away.

Regards,
Rena



[HN] Charles H L Jeffries, b.1828

Date: 2005/11/07 02:05:07
From: Mahan <dorway(a)crosslink.net>

I am looking for birth information for Charles H L Jeffries who was born in either Hamburg or Hanover Germany about 1828. He came to America before 1857. His marriage papers in Virginia say he was born in Hamburg, but census information says he was born in Hanover. I tend to believe he arrived in America alone as a young man because I have not found any information about his parents in America.
Thank you for your help.
Dorine

[HN] Charles H L Jeffries, b. 1828

Date: 2005/11/07 02:18:03
From: Mahan <dorway(a)crosslink.net>

I am looking for birth information for Charles H L Jeffries who was born in either Hamburg or Hanover Germany about 1828. He came to America before 1857. His marriage papers in Virginia say he was born in Hamburg, but census information says he was born in Hanover. I tend to believe he arrived in America alone as a young man because I have not found any information about his parents in America.
Thank you for your help.
Dorine

RE: [HN] Burgdor

Date: 2005/11/07 03:13:30
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear Max,

Your welcome.

Isn't it funny that first name, middle, and last name were nearly identical?

I wonder if your Julius W. Burgdorf had a son named Julius W. Burgdorf.

Almost worth checking.... If only because I tried family search for Julian and Julius Burgdorf and Bergdorf...just Burgdorf and Bergdorf and Julius didn't really seem to be that common.

Then I got to thinking...well maybe there is a nickname or common name used for Julius and tried to locate a good German/American/Spanish/French given name siite but failed at finding anythibng of substance.

Maybe someone on the list knows of one.

Did come across a notation that in the U.K. that Louis or Lewis used occassionally as a nickname for Julias..but don't know how common that is.

Maybe someone on the list is good at that. I wonder if there is a German pronounciation/spelling or alternate for Jthe given name Julius or Julian?

I tried to think of "J" names...Judocus, Jochaim, Jurgen,,...but couldn't come up with anything I thought remotely associated with Julius except perhaps Jules...

Did you ever find your Julius on any census? Do you know the names of hiis children?

Barbie-Lew
St. Louis

P.S. I suppose you grew up during the 40's. Would love to hear some of your stories.













Wonder what newspaper a Litchfield resident would publish an obituary in? Wonder if Springfield Journal? Or maybe a Belleville paper? Don't know. Maybe someone on the list knows.

Barbie-Lew


From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Burgdor
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 16:42:27 -0500

Barbie - Catus Flower
Thanks for the death info re Julius Bergdorff but sorry to say wrong one. My Julius died 29 June,1878 in New Orleans La. I have copy of death certificate. Sounds like you are in the St.Louis/Metro East area. If so contact me off line and we may be able to share a cup of coffee.
Max

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[HN] John Wetjen, b.1834, son of Katharina

Date: 2005/11/07 03:28:17
From: Mahan <dorway(a)crosslink.net>

I'm looking for information on *John Wetjen* born in Hannover or Hamburg, Germany about 1834. He left Germany and came to New York City about 1850-51. His mother's name was *Katharina*. Anyone have a clue as to who his parents might be? It's a rather odd name. I hope that will make it easier to search. He was my great-great grandfather.
Thank you.
Dorine

[HN] Was someone looking for Richter?

Date: 2005/11/07 05:25:28
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Hiya,


Came across the following obituary.

St. Louis Post Dispatch

23 October 1917

BRUENING-Entered into rest on Monday, Oct. 22, 1917, at 7;40 a.m., suddenly, Ernst Bruening, dearly belobed husband of Anna Bruening, (nee Hensing?) and dear father of Ernst and Oscar Breuning and of the late Lillian Richter, dear brother of Oscar F. Breuning and father-in-law of Albert Richter and dear grandfather in his fortieth year.

Funeral Thursday, Oct. 25, at 2;30 p.m. from residence 3911 Lincoln avenue, to St. Peters Cemetery. Motor. Relatives and friends invited.

New York City and Chicago papers please copy.



Re: [HN] ? No help?

Date: 2005/11/07 06:04:36
From: Fred Rump <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>

On 31 Oct 2005 at 6:28, gale(a)bosche.info wrote:

> Wow Ginny, that is like looking for John Smith in the
> States!!
> 
> First, lets look at the names:

slight addition here

> 
> Henry William Meyer will probably be Heinrich Willhelm.
> Mary will probably be Marie.

or the more common Maria. 

> Fred will probably be Friedrich or Friederich.

or just plain Fritz

> I have seen Charlotte, but not often. More often, I have
> seen it spelled Scharlotte.

Never saw it spelled that way. Carlotte/a is the 
norm. 

> As for Caroline, I don't recall ever seeing it in German
> lists.  Also, remember, people can spell their names
> however they want to.

Caroline/a is a perfectly normal German name. 

  
Fred

Fred & Marlies Rump
730 5th St. NW
Naples, FL 34120-2029
239-775-7838  or cells: 239-269-4781 / 609-284-6007
FredRump(a)earthlink.net or FredRump(a)gmail.com



Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/07 07:26:28
From: eff.em <eff.em(a)ewetel.net>

Leeve Plattdüütschfrünn,
zur Zeit der Hanse war Plattdeutsch Amtssprache und an der Nord- und
Ostseeküste verbreitet. Später, durch die höfischen Sitten, wurde die
Sprache dann verachtet.
1704 hat ein Bernhard Raupach von der Uni Rostock in seinem Bericht "Von
Unbilliger Verachtung Der Plat-Teutschen Sprache" geschrieben:
Was nun unserer (niederdeutschen) Sprache angeht: So weit scheint es mit ihr
gekommen zu sein, daß, wenn jemand beim Lesen eines niederdeutschen
Schriftstellers erwischt worden ist, man ihn nicht zu den Ketzern, aber doch
gewiß zu den Kindern und Dummköpfen zählen zu müssen meint ... So sehr sind
unsere Landsleute ihrer Muttersprache überdrüssig, so daß diese sich beim
einfachen ländlichen Volk eine Zuflucht sucht und sich mit aller Sorgfalt
verstecken muß.
Un trotzdem: Plattdüütsch leevt!
Ferdinand Müsker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Vahlbruch" <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!


> Neil Heimsoth schrieb:
>
> > Goden Dag Klaus, un veel mals'n dank....dat is gans wunnerbor.
> > Tschuess von Neil in Cole Camp, Missouri, wo Platt noch wohnt!
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> Hello Neil,
> thanks for the respons. I didn´t know if it was OK to put this
> messages in the list, but I know that there are a lot of people
> in USA looking for some praktice in Plattdüütsch.
>
> So I´m glad to know that you like it.
>
> Klaus (Vahlbruch) born in Flensburg, Schleswig-Holstein
> living in Deizisau near Stuttgart, Baden-Wuerttemberg
>
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Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/07 10:39:57
From: hydraulikd1 <hydraulikd1(a)t-online.de>

Hallo, bitte ook mal bi Holger na lurn uenner "WWW.Holgersimonsen.de"
Tschuess
Karl 
"eff.em" <eff.em(a)ewetel.net> schrieb:
> Leeve Plattdüütschfrünn,
> zur Zeit der Hanse war Plattdeutsch Amtssprache und an der Nord- und
> Ostseeküste verbreitet. Später, durch die höfischen Sitten, wurde die
> Sprache dann verachtet.
> 1704 hat ein Bernhard Raupach von der Uni Rostock in seinem Bericht "Von
> Unbilliger Verachtung Der Plat-Teutschen Sprache" geschrieben:
> Was nun unserer (niederdeutschen) Sprache angeht: So weit scheint es mit ihr
> gekommen zu sein, daß, wenn jemand beim Lesen eines niederdeutschen
> Schriftstellers erwischt worden ist, man ihn nicht zu den Ketzern, aber doch
> gewiß zu den Kindern und Dummköpfen zählen zu müssen meint ... So sehr sind
> unsere Landsleute ihrer Muttersprache überdrüssig, so daß diese sich beim
> einfachen ländlichen Volk eine Zuflucht sucht und sich mit aller Sorgfalt
> verstecken muß.
> Un trotzdem: Plattdüütsch leevt!
> Ferdinand Müsker
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Klaus Vahlbruch" <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!
> 
> 
> > Neil Heimsoth schrieb:
> >
> > > Goden Dag Klaus, un veel mals'n dank....dat is gans wunnerbor.
> > > Tschuess von Neil in Cole Camp, Missouri, wo Platt noch wohnt!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Hello Neil,
> > thanks for the respons. I didn´t know if it was OK to put this
> > messages in the list, but I know that there are a lot of people
> > in USA looking for some praktice in Plattdüütsch.
> >
> > So I´m glad to know that you like it.
> >
> > Klaus (Vahlbruch) born in Flensburg, Schleswig-Holstein
> > living in Deizisau near Stuttgart, Baden-Wuerttemberg
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
> 
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Re: [HN] Carl Poycke???

Date: 2005/11/07 10:45:20
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,

Missouri State Archive Online Naturalizaqtion records Lists:

Circuit Court
Series Naturalization Records
Sub Series Naturalization Cards
County St. Louis City
Reel Number
Volume C
Page 36
Name Potyka, Carl ******
Current Residence
Record Date 5/7/1891
Native Country Germany
Age
Witness 1
Witness 2
Note
Source Partnership between MO State Archives, St. Louis Genealogical Society, and St. Louis Circuit Court




Contact archref(a)sos.gov to request a print copy of the record. The cost of a photocopy is $1.00 per record.


Below is link for instructions to order.
http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/resources/email.asp


Not certain if printed record would have additional information.

Also not sure if ^ assists in your research. Noticed simularity of name.

Oops ^ Carl Potyka probobly not old enough...

Oh well I post anyway.

Barbie-Lew



From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
CC: elbing-L(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche POYCKE / PAYCKE aus ELBING (wohl Wes tpreußen) - Otto Waldemar POYCKE geb. 07.04.1846 in ELBING
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:26:23 -0400

On 19 Oct 2005 at 8:37, guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de wrote:

> Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
>
> wiedereinmal habe(n) wir/ich eine schwierige Aufgabe zu lösen.
>
> Gesucht wird der Ort Elbing. In Deutschland habe ich ihn nicht
> gefunden. Aber in Westpreußen gibt es diesen Ort. (www.elbing.de)
>
> Vielleicht hilft auch der hier in Norddeutschland wohl eher seltene
> Name POYCKE / PAYCKE weiter.
>
> Otto Waldemar POYCHE geb. 07.04.1846 in Elbing
>      Vater: Carl Friedrich Poycke, Buchbinder in Elbing
>      Mutter: Maria Christiane Wolf
>
> Otto Waldemar POYCHE heiratet am 24.07.1873 in Rotenburg Anna Mette
> DANKER
>
> Hat einer von euch was für mich?

Eigentlich gehört diese Frage in die Elbing oder OW-
Preussen Liste aber wenn schon denn schon:

Carl Poycke ist zweimal im Elbinger Adressbuch von
1848 eingetragen. Ich weiß nicht ob es zwei
verschiedene Carls sind:

Buchbinder Carl Poycke, Brückstr. 25c
Buchbinder und Petschaftstecher Carl Poycke,
Fischerstr. 37

In 1852 erscheint nur ein Buchbinder Carl Poycke,
Innere Hinterstr. 16 aber zwei Poycke Frauen sind
jetzt auch da:
Caroline und Johanna, Schneiderinnen, Junkerstr. 56

In 1858 ist wieder Carl Poycke, Buchbindermeister,
Wasserstr. 36 da. (er zieht wohl oft um)

Ab 1861 sind sie verschwunden.

Fred
   Fred & Marlies Rump
730 5th St. NW
Naples, FL 34120-2029
239-775-7838  or cells: 239-269-4781 / 609-284-6007
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[HN] von Feullner

Date: 2005/11/07 11:59:28
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)manquehue.net>

wer weiss, ob es eine gedruckte Genealogie der Familie 

von Feullner 

gibt ?

************************************************************************************* 

Herzliche Grüsse 

Georg Friederici 

* 

Re: [HN] John Wetjen, b.1834, son of Katharina

Date: 2005/11/07 12:21:23
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

www.castlegarden.org shows this:

Joh. Wetjen  Occupation Bookbinder
Age 20
Sex M
Literacy U
Arrived 3 Sep 1850
Origin Hanover
Port Bremen
Last Residence U
Destination New York
Plan Unknown
Ship Erie
Passage Unknown


> I'm looking for information on *John Wetjen* born in Hannover or
> Hamburg, Germany about 1834. He left Germany and came to New York City
> about 1850-51. His mother's name was *Katharina*. Anyone have a clue as
> to who his parents might be? It's a rather odd name. I hope that will
> make it easier to search. He was my great-great grandfather.
> Thank you.
> Dorine
> ______________________________________________

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Re: [HN] Carl Poycke???

Date: 2005/11/07 13:22:25
From: William Taber <willgen(a)mac.com>

Correction... that email address Barbie-Lew listed should be <archref(a)sos.mo.gov>

"Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Contact archref(a)sos.gov to request a print copy of the record. The cost of a
photocopy is $1.00 per record.


Below is link for instructions to order.
http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/resources/email.asp


Not certain if printed record would have additional information.

Also not sure if ^ assists in your research. Noticed simularity of name.

Oops ^ Carl Potyka probobly not old enough...

Oh well I post anyway.

Barbie-Lew


Re: [HN] Emigration archives for Westfalen

Date: 2005/11/07 15:41:50
From: Udo Majewski <umajewski(a)owl-online.de>

Hallo Barbara, hallo Max,

    there are two emigration archives in Westfalia I know:

http://www.lippe-auswanderer.de especially from emegrates out of
Principality of Lippe and

http://amerikanetz.de/  Westfalian network of  America-Emigration since
XXIX. century.

Both in German an English language.

Good luck and 'have a good hunt'
yours
Udo (Majewski)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration archives for Westfalen


> Hello Max,
>
>         The emigration records we have been searching are only from the
> former kingdom of Hannover.
>
> Maybe you can find something here that could be helpful:
>
> http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/emigration.html
> scroll down to Nordrhein-Westfalen
>
>       The LDS has some emigration records on microfilm.
>
> Good luck,
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> on 11/6/05 2:13 AM, Ruppert, Max at ruppertm(a)SABIC.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Barbara,
> >
> > I've seen your conversation with Bob regarding the records of people who
have
> > emigrated form Germany, and that there were three places where they
could have
> > gone to apply for emigration. . . .
>



[HN] alle SPILGER gesucht

Date: 2005/11/07 16:03:26
From: Wilfried Doll <1951wido(a)schlundmail.de>

Liebe Ahnenforscher,

ich suche alle verstreuten SPILGER um sie in meinen großen Spilgerbaum mit einzubauen oder in eine Datenbank abzulegen, bis sie
passen.
Jeder der noch SPILGER in seinem Stammbaum hat kann mich kontaktieren.

Der Urspilger ist nach Bonsweiher (Hessen, Odenwald) um 1670 eingewandert. Es könnten Calvinisten aus der Schweiz sein. Eine andere
Quelle spricht von 3 spanischen Brüdern oder einem verwundeten Spanier im 30j. Krieg, die nach Bonsweiher kamen. Vielleicht weiß
jemand noch etwas dazu.

Meine Vorfahren habe ich unter
http://gw1.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=nebulan2004&lang=en und
 http://gedbas.genealogy.net  (Gedcom ist ladbar) eingestellt

mit freundlichen Grüßen
Wilfried (Doll)




Re: [HN] Carl Poycke???

Date: 2005/11/07 16:07:20
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

Good morning Barbie,
   What is the URL for the Missouri State Archive Online... ?
Thanks,
Don Roddy


----- Message from barbie8674(a)hotmail.com ---------
    Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 03:45:06 -0600
    From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
 Subject: Re: [HN] Carl Poycke???
      To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net



Hello,

Missouri State Archive Online Naturalizaqtion records Lists:

Circuit Court
Series Naturalization Records
Sub Series Naturalization Cards
County St. Louis City
Reel Number
Volume C
Page 36
Name Potyka, Carl ******
Current Residence
Record Date 5/7/1891
Native Country Germany
Age
Witness 1
Witness 2
Note
Source Partnership between MO State Archives, St. Louis Genealogical
Society, and St. Louis Circuit Court




Contact archref(a)sos.gov to request a print copy of the record. The cost of a
photocopy is $1.00 per record.


Below is link for instructions to order.
http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/resources/email.asp


Not certain if printed record would have additional information.

Also not sure if ^ assists in your research. Noticed simularity of name.

Oops ^ Carl Potyka probobly not old enough...

Oh well I post anyway.

Barbie-Lew



From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
CC: elbing-L(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche POYCKE / PAYCKE aus ELBING (wohl Wes
tpreußen) - Otto Waldemar POYCKE geb. 07.04.1846  in ELBING
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:26:23 -0400

On 19 Oct 2005 at 8:37, guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de wrote:

> Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
>
> wiedereinmal habe(n) wir/ich eine schwierige Aufgabe zu lösen.
>
> Gesucht wird der Ort Elbing. In Deutschland habe ich ihn nicht
> gefunden. Aber in Westpreußen gibt es diesen Ort. (www.elbing.de)
>
> Vielleicht hilft auch der hier in Norddeutschland wohl eher seltene
> Name POYCKE / PAYCKE weiter.
>
> Otto Waldemar POYCHE geb. 07.04.1846 in Elbing
>      Vater: Carl Friedrich Poycke, Buchbinder in Elbing
>      Mutter: Maria Christiane Wolf
>
> Otto Waldemar POYCHE heiratet am 24.07.1873 in Rotenburg Anna Mette
> DANKER
>
> Hat einer von euch was für mich?

Eigentlich gehört diese Frage in die Elbing oder OW-
Preussen Liste aber wenn schon denn schon:

Carl Poycke ist zweimal im Elbinger Adressbuch von
1848 eingetragen. Ich weiß nicht ob es zwei
verschiedene Carls sind:

Buchbinder Carl Poycke, Brückstr. 25c
Buchbinder und Petschaftstecher Carl Poycke,
Fischerstr. 37

In 1852 erscheint nur ein Buchbinder Carl Poycke,
Innere Hinterstr. 16 aber zwei Poycke Frauen sind
jetzt auch da:
Caroline und Johanna, Schneiderinnen, Junkerstr. 56

In 1858 ist wieder Carl Poycke, Buchbindermeister,
Wasserstr. 36 da. (er zieht wohl oft um)

Ab 1861 sind sie verschwunden.

Fred
   Fred & Marlies Rump
730 5th St. NW
Naples, FL 34120-2029
239-775-7838  or cells: 239-269-4781 / 609-284-6007
FredRump(a)earthlink.net or FredRump(a)gmail.com

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Re: Re: [HN] Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/07 16:23:03
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Thank you Mona. God willing I will go to Germany if only to visit the Dauenhauer side. But I still think I will find something on Burgdorf to make my visit a dual one.
Max
> 
> From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info>
> Date: 2005/11/05 Sat PM 04:11:01 EST
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: Re: [HN] Burgdorf
> 
> Max Burgdorf wrote:
> >
> > At my age my window of opportunity to travel is closing and I'm desparately trying to find the right Burgdorf. Pending my results I plan to go to Germany and to visit Dauenhauer and Burgdorf families.
> 
> Max,
> For 40 years I wanted to go to Germany and visit the villages of my 
> ancestors.  Fortunately, it took that long for it to happen, because it 
> took 40 years before I was able to identify the village of each each of 
> my ancestors.  Admittedly, I wasn't searching during all those 40 years. 
>   I started dreaming young, and I had to raise my 5 kids before I could 
> get back into serious genealogy.
> 
> You may not have 40 years left to travel, but I wish you all the best in 
> your searching, and I hope you, too, get to visit the towns of your 
> ancestors.  For me it really was a dream come true.
> 
> Mona
> 
> Photos of our trip are on web site, URL shown below.
> 
> -- 
> Mona Houser
> HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/
> 
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Re: [HN] Adolph Heinrich Schiermeier

Date: 2005/11/07 16:48:59
From: Wilfried . Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"David Muldner" <david.muldner(a)gmail.com> schrieb:
> Liebe Mitglieder,
>  ich bin auf der Suche nach weitere Daten, sowie Vorfahren der
>  Adolf Heinrich Schiermeier geboren um 1771 Langenholzhauzen, verheiratet
> Dordrecht (NL) 1795, in das Mitgliedschaftsverzeichnis der lutherische
> Kirche in Dordrecht steht er aber als "kommende aus Oldorf" dies konnte sich
> daan auf Hess. Oldendorf (?) beziehen.
>  eventuelle Verwandter:
> Johann Friedrich Schiermeier im Mitgliedverzeichnis der Lutherische Kirche
> in Dordrecht 1781, "uit Holthuysen, Pruisen", verheiratet Dordrecht 1783. Es
> war ja ganz zufällig, wann dieser Johann Friedrich nicht auch aus
> Langenholzhauzen stammte.


Hallo Herr Müldner,

sind Sie sicher, daß es sich um Langenholzhausen in Lippe handelt? Es gibt auch noch Langenholthausen (bei Arnsberg in Westfalen), Langenholdinghausen (bei Siegen in Westfalen) sowie Langenholzen (bei Alfeld südl. von Hannover).

Holzhausen gibt es etwa 60 in Deutschland, Oldendorf 23, Altendorf 26 und Oldorf 3 (2 in Oldenburg, 1 in Schleswig-Holstein).

Es wird ohne weitere Gewissheit schwer sein, hier die richtige Quelle zu finden.

Freundliche Grüsse

Wilfried Petersen



Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 18:30:34
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Michelle and Kirk:

Give the list some names and dates. Dates, if Bernard is the only name you have.

If Bernhard Sprengelmeyer was his name when he lived in Germany, I would not try to expand it to Sprengel or Meyer at this time. That would make your search field much larger and much more difficult, particularly with the name Meyer.

Where in California do you live? (Question for yourself only) Oakland and San Diego both have substantial Family History Centers, if you have not tried them, you may want to. SF has the Sutro Library, which has films of an unbelievable number of ship's passenger lists.

I have not heard of Mentrup Hagen, nor could I find it on a map, but Google found a Mentrup. It is listed as: Mentrup (Niedersachsen, Germany). There is also a town by the name of Hagen, 1.9 km away from Mentrup. They are a short distance southwest of Osnabrück.

Now this may not be the right town, but others will confirm it or give you some alternatives. Also, if the location of the town is confirmed, you may then find locations which have records for that town.

Gale



On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:02:16 -0800
 "Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com> wrote:
Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for records on the surname Sprengelmeyer. I see some records on Bernhard Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] John Wetjen, b.1834, son of Katharina

Date: 2005/11/07 18:39:38
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Dorine,
    
       I think there were a lot more Wetjens in Germany than there were
Jeffries!  

      On the LDS website, there is a listing for a John Wetjen born 1832 in
Germany marrying a Sabina Westgate in New York in about 1853.  Is that who
you are looking for?  That still does not indicate the specific birthplace
for John.  

      I'd suggest you'd use this website to search for Wetjen:
       http://meta.genealogy.net/metasuche/index.jsp

 It includes a number of Ortsfamilienbuchs (listings of people who lived in
one town) and other sources.  There certainly are a lot of Wetjens in the
Bremen area. There are 297 listings for Wetjen in the German phone book.

      If you have not already done so, you should collect all the
information on John Wetjen from records in the USA.  That means marriage
records, birth records of his children, application for naturalization,
death records, etc.  Birthplaces can be listed on any of those records.
Contact other relatives who may have such items.

Good luck,
Barbara

     
 




on 11/6/05 7:28 PM, Mahan at dorway(a)crosslink.net wrote:

> I'm looking for information on *John Wetjen* born in Hannover or
> Hamburg, Germany about 1834. He left Germany and came to New York City
> about 1850-51. His mother's name was *Katharina*. Anyone have a clue as
> to who his parents might be? It's a rather odd name. I hope that will
> make it easier to search. He was my great-great grandfather.
> Thank you.
> Dorine
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 18:49:22
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Try this.
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2845033&id=I2746  
___Bob

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:30:06 -0500 <gale(a)bosche.info> writes:
> Hi Michelle and Kirk:
> 
> Give the list some names and dates.  Dates, if Bernard is 
> the only name you have.
> 
> If Bernhard Sprengelmeyer was his name when he lived in 
> Germany, I would not try to expand it to Sprengel or Meyer 
> at this time.  That would make your search field much 
> larger and much more difficult, particularly with the name 
> Meyer.
> 
> Where in California do you live? (Question for yourself 
> only) Oakland and San Diego both have substantial Family 
> History Centers, if you have not tried them, you may want 
> to.  SF has the Sutro Library, which has films of an 
> unbelievable number of ship's passenger lists.
> 
> I have not heard of Mentrup Hagen, nor could I find it on 
> a map, but Google found a Mentrup.  It is listed as: 
> Mentrup (Niedersachsen, Germany).  There is also a town by 
> the name of Hagen, 1.9 km away from Mentrup.  They are a 
> short distance southwest of Osnabrück.
> 
> Now this may not be the right town, but others will 
> confirm it or give you some alternatives.  Also, if the 
> location of the town is confirmed, you may then find 
> locations which have records for that town.
> 
> Gale
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:02:16 -0800
>   "Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I 
> >am looking for records on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I 
> >see some records on Bernhard Sprengelmeyer that was born 
> >in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came 
> >from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in 
> >California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they 
> >were farmers and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I 
> >see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to 
> >where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any 
> >Sprengelmeyers out there still?
> > 
> > Thank you so much!
> > 
> > Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
> > ______________________________________________
> > 
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Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!

Date: 2005/11/07 19:02:09
From: Jim <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>

Gruss aus der Central Kuste von Kalifornien
This conversation about Plattdeutsch is what makes genealogy so interesting
to me. There are so many things to learn along the way that you would never
have given a moment notice to if it were not for researching some ones
family.
I have been to Niederkalifornien and prefer Niedersachsen much more.
Niedersachsen is where the true Sachsen come from and not the state of
Sachsen where it derived it name from the Duke of Sachsen.
more little tidbits to make the daily grind more interesting.
By the way is anyone researching the Decker family of Santa Claus Ind..  I
stuck my finger into the air a few months ago and all that I caught was
pocket fuzz.
Jim Decker

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Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] ok dat noch: www up plattdütsch!


> Barbie is right,
>
> I found an other example on my dictionary:
>
> - Niederkalifornien (German) = Baja California (Spanish) = Lower
California
>
> Thank you,
> Werner
>
> > Dear Listies,
>
> > I had always assumed the Platt in Plattdutsch that translates to Low
> > Germany
> > had to do with sea level....:)  My sis lives near Charleston, S.C. and
> > slang
> > for the area is "Low Country" because for the most part the locality is
at
> > or below sea level.
>
> > So I always figured Lower Saxony derived it's name the same way.  Lower
> > Saxony is north of Saxony, Germany.  Well made sense to me.
>
> > I figured Platt...derived from Plateau.
>
> > Barbie
>
>
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 19:07:22
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Around Osnabrück a lot of Sprengelmeyer addresses, here the addresses in Hagen:

Sprengelmeier, Georg
  Am Dillbach 5
  49170 Hagen

Sprengelmeyer, Emil
  Iburger Str. 44
  49170 Hagen

Sprengelmeyer, Wilhelm
  Am Dillbach 5
  49170 Hagen

Mentrup is a part of Hagen in Osnabrück county - former Kingdom of Hannover.

Werner Honkomp


> Hello,

> I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
> records on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
> Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of
> Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here
> in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers
> and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were
> not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any
> help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still?

> Thank you so much!

> Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
> ______________________________________________

> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 19:15:08
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Michell and Kirk:

It looks like Bob has not only confirmed:
Mentrup, Hagen, Osnabrück, but has found some
Sprengelmeyers going back to the 1600's, now just connect
the dots.

Dot number one: The Family History Center has:
Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1874 Evangelische Kirche Altenhagen I (Kr. Springe).

believe that Altenhagen is something like old Hagen, or like we in the States tend to say "Old Town", i.e. Old Town Sacramento. Any way Altenhagen is bordering Hagen. There are some civil records available, but for only two-three years 1810-1812.

Who has dot number 2?  Or are we already at dot 4?

Gale

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:47:36 -0600
 Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com> wrote:
Try this.
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2845033&id=I2746
___Bob

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:30:06 -0500 <gale(a)bosche.info> writes:
Hi Michelle and Kirk:

Give the list some names and dates. Dates, if Bernard is the only name you have.

If Bernhard Sprengelmeyer was his name when he lived in Germany, I would not try to expand it to Sprengel or Meyer at this time. That would make your search field much larger and much more difficult, particularly with the name Meyer.

Where in California do you live? (Question for yourself only) Oakland and San Diego both have substantial Family History Centers, if you have not tried them, you may want to. SF has the Sutro Library, which has films of an unbelievable number of ship's passenger lists.

I have not heard of Mentrup Hagen, nor could I find it on a map, but Google found a Mentrup. It is listed as: Mentrup (Niedersachsen, Germany). There is also a town by the name of Hagen, 1.9 km away from Mentrup. They are a short distance southwest of Osnabrück.

Now this may not be the right town, but others will confirm it or give you some alternatives. Also, if the location of the town is confirmed, you may then find locations which have records for that town.

Gale



On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:02:16 -0800
  "Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> > I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I >am looking for records on the surname Sprengelmeyer. I >see some records on Bernhard Sprengelmeyer that was born >in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came >from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in >California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they >were farmers and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I >see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to >where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any >Sprengelmeyers out there still? > > Thank you so much! > > Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 19:15:31
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hey old, now current Sprengelmeyers. I think you have something going.

Gale

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:04:55 +0100
 Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote:
Around Osnabrück a lot of Sprengelmeyer addresses, here the addresses in Hagen:

Sprengelmeier, Georg
 Am Dillbach 5
 49170 Hagen

Sprengelmeyer, Emil
 Iburger Str. 44
 49170 Hagen

Sprengelmeyer, Wilhelm
 Am Dillbach 5
 49170 Hagen

Mentrup is a part of Hagen in Osnabrück county - former Kingdom of Hannover.

Werner Honkomp


Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for records on the surname Sprengelmeyer. I see some records on Bernhard Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any
help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 19:17:53
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

Hello Michelle,
 
Hagen-Mentrup is part of the town "Hagen am Teutoburger Wald" in  
Niedersachsen, in the 19th century it was part of the Kingdom/Province  Hannover.
 
Please try: _www.hagen-atw.de_ (http://www.hagen-atw.de) . Sorry  there is no 
English version.
 
Your Sprengelmeyer family possibly originates from the Sprengelmeyer farm  in 
nearby Lienen(-Holperdorf). Lienen was part of the Westphalian Grafschaft  
Tecklenburg that became Prussian in 1707.
 
Brigitte Jahnke

Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 19:27:00
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 07.11.2005 19:15:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
gale(a)bosche.info:

Dot  number one: The Family History Center has:
Kirchenbuchduplikat,  1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche 
Altenhagen I (Kr.  Springe).

believe that Altenhagen is something like old Hagen,  or 
like we in the States tend to say "Old Town", i.e. Old 
Town  Sacramento.  Any way Altenhagen is bordering Hagen. 
There are some  civil records available, but for only 
two-three years  1810-1812.



This is a different Hagen in the former Kreis Springe. Hagen is part  of the 
Kreis Osnabrück.
 
Brigitte Jahnke

Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 19:43:22
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

You are so awesome. Thank you so much Brigitte. I will check it out. How did you find out Sprengelmeyer was a farm?

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hello Michelle,

Hagen-Mentrup is part of the town "Hagen am Teutoburger Wald" in
Niedersachsen, in the 19th century it was part of the Kingdom/Province Hannover.

Please try: _www.hagen-atw.de_ (http://www.hagen-atw.de) . Sorry there is no
English version.

Your Sprengelmeyer family possibly originates from the Sprengelmeyer farm in
nearby Lienen(-Holperdorf). Lienen was part of the Westphalian Grafschaft
Tecklenburg that became Prussian in 1707.

Brigitte Jahnke
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 19:56:23
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Okay. You guys are great. I am getting excited. I see some dots that I can connect. Thanks.

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: <gale(a)bosche.info>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hey old, now current Sprengelmeyers.  I think you have
something going.

Gale

On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:04:55 +0100
 Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote:
Around Osnabrück a lot of Sprengelmeyer addresses, here the addresses in Hagen:

Sprengelmeier, Georg
 Am Dillbach 5
 49170 Hagen

Sprengelmeyer, Emil
 Iburger Str. 44
 49170 Hagen

Sprengelmeyer, Wilhelm
 Am Dillbach 5
 49170 Hagen

Mentrup is a part of Hagen in Osnabrück county - former Kingdom of Hannover.

Werner Honkomp


Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
records on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of
Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here
in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers
and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were
not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any
help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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[HN] Kopfsteuerbeschreibungen Fürstentümer Calenber g-Göttingen

Date: 2005/11/07 20:40:38
From: k-d-wolf <k-d-wolf(a)t-online.de>

Hallo, liebe Mitforscher!

Gebe noch die letzten  "Kopfsteuerbescheinigungen für das Fürstzentum 
Calenberg-Göttingen-Grubenhagen von 1689"  ab, und zwar 
die Bände 3 ; 4 ; 5  und 12. Bei Interesse sende ich die Beschreibungen der 
einzelnen Bände und ihrer Dörfer und Bewohner direkt zu.

MfG
Klaus-Dieter Wolf
____________________________________________________
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[HN] WILIKEN, BRUNS, NIENKERKEN, HOLTHAUS, HAGESTETTE, STUKERBORG, VORTMAN, SANDMAN

Date: 2005/11/07 21:15:54
From: Mauro Hawickhorst <mauroobidos(a)hotmail.com>

,
Dear list members,
This is Fr. Maurie maybe but hopefully back in business on the Internet. Right now things are working fairly well but don´t know how long it will work here in the Amazon. I´ve been in this situation before and after a few weeks or months the telephone or the Internet seervice breaks down. Who knows; maybe I can get out some more requests for some of my ancestors that I don´t know about. These are all ancestors of my mother´s grandmother, PHILOMENA UPTMOOR, 1843 – 1904, my great grandmother. She was born and died in Teutopolis, Illinois. I´m sorry but I have only the dates of most of her ancestors and not even all of the dates, but very little knowledge about their birth places. I´m going to send this message to a couple of lists so some of you may be getting the list two or three times. Don´t worry about deleting the message and throw it away; but if you know anything that would help me, I would appreciate your answer. 1. PETER WILIKEN, 1730 – 1790, and ANNA BRUNS, b. Before 1755, were my ggggg grandparents. 2. HENRICH NIENKERKEN, 1665 – 1707, MARGARET HOLTHAUS, 1664 – 1727, were my ggggggg grandparents. 3. JOHAN HAGESTETTE, 1657 – 1737, and GENOFEVA STUKERBORG, were my ggggggg grandparents.
4.	OTTO VORTMAN, 1625- ?, AND CATHERINE ?, were ggggggg grandparents.
5. HENRICH SANDMAN, 1620 – 1674, and GRETKE KROGMAN were my ggggggg grandparents. If anyone sees any connection between his relatives and these names or even the family names, I would love to hear from you and trade information.

Fr. Maurie Hawickhorst, OFM



Family names that figure in our Family Tree

Baarlage Bekebrock Beverburg Beymoor Boeckers Bokern Bornhorn Braegel Branlage Brogel Bruns Buckeole Bukeden Calvelage Cruempelmann Dickman Dieckman Dinkgreve Dinkgrevesche Dultmeyer Eggerman Evers Fleck Fruhling Gerdhabing Gerding Habing Hackstedt Hagestette Hawickhorst Heide Heiseding Hellebusch Hermrolfes Hodebecke Hoedebecke Hoenkamp Hoenkamp Hoinkomp Hölterman Holthaus Honcomp Hopmann Hoppe Ivercamp Jansen Johans Kaetmann Klocker Koldehoff Korfage Krimpelfort Krimpenfort Krogman Kruempelmann Laufer Lübbecken Meerman Meyer Minckenberg Moore Morman Neehues Niehaus Nieman Nienkerken Nordlohne Nortlohn Orde Ovelgönne Pohlmann Purhorn Püttman Quade Quatmann Rebel Reitman Roleffs Ruewe Rüve Sander Sandmann Sandt Schulte Sieverding Stukerborg Stüve Taphorn Thamann Thole Tieman Tombroegel Trineke Uptmoor Uptmor Vieck Viek von Braegel Vortman Waschefort Wenstrup Wiliken Willenbring Windhaus Zerhusen

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Re: [HN] KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer Cale nberg-Göttingen

Date: 2005/11/07 21:17:44
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Hallo Klaus, Dieter Wolf,

für mich kämen die Bereiche um Wunstorf, sowie um Holzminden in Betracht. Wäre da etwas dabei? Und was würde ein Band kosten?

Viele Grüße,

Björn Sassenberg

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: [HN] KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen


Hallo, liebe Mitforscher!

Gebe noch die letzten  "Kopfsteuerbescheinigungen für das Fürstzentum
Calenberg-Göttingen-Grubenhagen von 1689"  ab, und zwar
die Bände 3 ; 4 ; 5  und 12. Bei Interesse sende ich die Beschreibungen der
einzelnen Bände und ihrer Dörfer und Bewohner direkt zu.

MfG
Klaus-Dieter Wolf
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Re: [HN] KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen

Date: 2005/11/07 21:30:23
From: Archiv . Vegelahn <Archiv.Vegelahn(a)t-online.de>

Hallo ein Ortsverzeichnis findet ihr auch unter:
http://www.archiv-vegelahn.de/kopfsteuerbeschreibung_1689.html


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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 22:28:04
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Michelle,
     What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are looking for?
Barbara


on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for records
> on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard Sprengelmeyer
> that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came from
> Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so
> confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer is at
> the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to where
> the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there
> still?
> 
> Thank you so much!
> 
> Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] WILIKEN, BRUNS, NIENKERKEN, HOLTHAUS, HAGESTETTE, STUKERBORG, VORTMAN, SANDMAN

Date: 2005/11/07 22:37:49
From: edwardssl <edwardssl(a)att.net>

Hello Fr Hawickhorst,

I am also decended from Henrich Sandman & Gretke Krogmann.  They resided in Lohne, Oldenburg.  I have many ancestors from the Steinfeld/Lohne area.  

Henrich and Gretke had a son named Gerhard (abt 1636 - 30 Sep 1717), who married Anna Vortman 9 Feb 1682/83 in Lohne.  Would your Otto Vortman and Catherine be her parents?

I also have Dultmeyer, Stuckenborg, Stuve, and Zerhusen in my tree.

B Rgds
Linda Edwards
Illinois


-------------- Original message from "Mauro Hawickhorst" <mauroobidos(a)hotmail.com>: -------------- 


> , 
> Dear list members, 
> This is Fr. Maurie maybe but hopefully back in business on the Internet. 
> Right now things are working fairly well but don´t know how long it will 
> work here in the Amazon. I´ve been in this situation before and after a few 
> weeks or months the telephone or the Internet seervice breaks down. Who 
> knows; maybe I can get out some more requests for some of my ancestors 
> that I don´t know about. These are all ancestors of my mother´s 
> grandmother, PHILOMENA UPTMOOR, 1843 – 1904, my great grandmother. She was 
> born and died in Teutopolis, Illinois. I´m sorry but I have only the dates 
> of most of her ancestors and not even all of the dates, but very little 
> knowledge about their birth places. I´m going to send this message to a 
> couple of lists so some of you may be getting the list two or three times. 
> Don´t worry about deleting the message and throw it away; but if you know 
> anything that would help me, I would appreciate your answer. 
> 1. PETER WILIKEN, 1730 – 1790, and ANNA BRUNS, b. Before 1755, were my 
> ggggg 
> grandparents. 
> 2. HENRICH NIENKERKEN, 1665 – 1707, MARGARET HOLTHAUS, 1664 – 1727, were my 
> ggggggg grandparents. 
> 3. JOHAN HAGESTETTE, 1657 – 1737, and GENOFEVA STUKERBORG, were my ggggggg 
> grandparents. 
> 4. OTTO VORTMAN, 1625- ?, AND CATHERINE ?, were ggggggg grandparents. 
> 5. HENRICH SANDMAN, 1620 – 1674, and GRETKE KROGMAN were my ggggggg 
> grandparents. 
> If anyone sees any connection between his relatives and these names or 
> even the family names, I would love to hear from you and trade information. 
> 
> Fr. Maurie Hawickhorst, OFM 
> 
> 
> 
> Family names that figure in our Family Tree 
> 
> Baarlage Bekebrock Beverburg Beymoor Boeckers Bokern Bornhorn Braegel 
> Branlage Brogel Bruns Buckeole Bukeden Calvelage Cruempelmann Dickman 
> Dieckman Dinkgreve Dinkgrevesche Dultmeyer Eggerman Evers Fleck Fruhling 
> Gerdhabing Gerding Habing Hackstedt Hagestette Hawickhorst Heide Heiseding 
> Hellebusch Hermrolfes Hodebecke Hoedebecke Hoenkamp Hoenkamp Hoinkomp 
> Hölterman Holthaus Honcomp Hopmann Hoppe Ivercamp Jansen Johans Kaetmann 
> Klocker Koldehoff Korfage Krimpelfort Krimpenfort Krogman Kruempelmann 
> Laufer Lübbecken Meerman Meyer Minckenberg Moore Morman Neehues Niehaus 
> Nieman Nienkerken Nordlohne Nortlohn Orde Ovelgönne Pohlmann Purhorn Püttman 
> Quade Quatmann Rebel Reitman Roleffs Ruewe Rüve Sander Sandmann Sandt 
> Schulte Sieverding Stukerborg Stüve Taphorn Thamann Thole Tieman Tombroegel 
> Trineke Uptmoor Uptmor Vieck Viek von Braegel Vortman Waschefort Wenstrup 
> Wiliken Willenbring Windhaus Zerhusen 
> 
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Re: [HN] John Wetjen, b.1834, son of Katharina

Date: 2005/11/07 23:10:30
From: Mahan <dorway(a)crosslink.net>

Thanks for your help.
Dorine



Werner Honkomp wrote:

www.castlegarden.org shows this:

Joh. Wetjen  Occupation Bookbinder
Age 20
Sex M
Literacy U
Arrived 3 Sep 1850
Origin Hanover
Port Bremen
Last Residence U
Destination New York
Plan Unknown
Ship Erie
Passage Unknown


I'm looking for information on *John Wetjen* born in Hannover or
Hamburg, Germany about 1834. He left Germany and came to New York City
about 1850-51. His mother's name was *Katharina*. Anyone have a clue as
to who his parents might be? It's a rather odd name. I hope that will
make it easier to search. He was my great-great grandfather.
Thank you.
Dorine
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 23:23:49
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Hi Barbara,

I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer born in a small
village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange because I will see all the surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's son Martin married a lady named
Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the occupation maybe? Then I
have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
Neunkirchen. Does this help?

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hi Michelle,
    What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are looking for?
Barbara


on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:

Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
records
on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
Sprengelmeyer
that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came
from
Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so
confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer
is at
the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to
where
the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there
still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 23:48:37
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

Hi Michelle,
   Bernhard Sprengelmeyer, b. 1577, is as far back as Alex Himmermann was able
to trace that line of my family. It is extremely difficult to trace ancestors even that far back in Germany because most of the church records were destroyed
during the thirty years war which was basically a war between Catholics and
Protestants.   Just about every battle resulted in the destruction of the
loser's church!
Don Roddy

----- Message from michelle(a)uceit.com ---------
    Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:23:25 -0800
    From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
 Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer
      To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>



Hi Barbara,

I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer born in a small
village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange because I will see
all the
surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's son Martin married a
lady named
Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the occupation maybe? Then I
have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
Neunkirchen. Does this help?

Michelle
----- Original Message -----
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hi Michelle,
    What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are looking for?
Barbara


on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:

Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
records
on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
Sprengelmeyer
that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came
from
Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so
confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer
is at
the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to
where
the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there
still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/07 23:53:46
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Thanks Don.

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hi Michelle,
Bernhard Sprengelmeyer, b. 1577, is as far back as Alex Himmermann was able to trace that line of my family. It is extremely difficult to trace ancestors even that far back in Germany because most of the church records were destroyed during the thirty years war which was basically a war between Catholics and
Protestants.   Just about every battle resulted in the destruction of the
loser's church!
Don Roddy

----- Message from michelle(a)uceit.com ---------
    Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:23:25 -0800
    From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
 Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer
      To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>



Hi Barbara,

I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer born in a small
village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange because I will see
all the
surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's son Martin married a
lady named
Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the occupation maybe? Then I
have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
Neunkirchen. Does this help?

Michelle
----- Original Message -----
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hi Michelle,
    What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are looking for?
Barbara


on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:

Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
records
on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
Sprengelmeyer
that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came
from
Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer
is at
the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to
where
the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there
still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 00:31:19
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

Hello Michelle,
 
I know about the Sprengelmeyer farm from old tax records and church  records. 
 
As far as I understood you've got this Bernhard in 1577 in Hagen-Mentrup  and 
your direct ancestor August Sprengelmeyer (in the 19th century?) in  
Neuenkirchen. What Neuenkirchen??? There are lot's of Neuenkirchen in  Germany.
 
In case that you want to do solid ancestry, you should start in  
Neuenkirchen. Just look for August's parents and try to trace back his direct  line. 
 
Brigitte
 
 
 
 
 

Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 00:44:00
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Michelle,

     I must have missed something, but I didn't have any idea you were
looking for the father of someone born in 1577!  I just wanted to tell you
that in the emigration archives of Osnabrück there are Sprengelmeyers from
Hagen, but also Glane and Laer which are in the same area.

    I wouldn't put a lot of concern about the Meyer at the end of the name.
It happens often.  Those very early records show many variations on names in
the same family line.  Many different spellings as well.  Records were
written however the writer "heard" it. I would guess if I were looking at a
certain set of records of a town, e.g. and there were both Sprengel and
Sprengelmeyer names listed, I would presume they were basically related.

    If you should ever want to look at later records, the LDS has some for
Glane-Visbeck (same as the Glane mentioned above where some Sprengelmeyers
lived) :
      Registers and transcripts of church records for births, baptisms,
marriages, and deaths. Includes some indexes. Catholic Church. 1808-1874.
     The LDS has film for the same type of records for Laer.

      I'm not sure what you mean by
> I have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
> Neunkirchen. 
     What time period are you talking about?

    If you look at the LDS page and search for just the name of
Sprengelmeyer, there are a great number of Sprengelmeyers listed from Lienen
Westfalen.  That is also in the same area (on the border between Hannover
and Westfalen) and they are perhaps related to your family.  The LDS have a
number of films for Lienen that may be helpful to you as well.
  
Happy hunting!
Barbara 
    
      


on 11/7/05 3:23 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:

> Hi Barbara,
> 
> I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer born in a small
> village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange because I will see
> all the
> surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's son Martin married a
> lady named
> Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the occupation maybe? Then I
> have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
> Neunkirchen. Does this help?
> 
> Michelle
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer
> 
> 
>> Hi Michelle,
>> What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are looking for?
>> Barbara
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
>>> records
>>> on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
>>> Sprengelmeyer
>>> that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came
>>> from
>>> Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so
>>> confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer
>>> is at
>>> the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to
>>> where
>>> the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there
>>> still?
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much!
>>> 
>>> Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
>>> ______________________________________________
>>> 
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 00:59:35
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Brigitte,

Do you know where the records are on the Sprengelmeyer farm? Where I find them. I bring up Neuenkirchen because I see it noted on an old record. I do not know what Neuenkirchen is. But when Johanna (his wife) fills out the Census records, she notes she from Prussia and he is from Germany?

Michelle


----- Original Message ----- From: <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hello Michelle,

I know about the Sprengelmeyer farm from old tax records and church records.

As far as I understood you've got this Bernhard in 1577 in Hagen-Mentrup and
your direct ancestor August Sprengelmeyer (in the 19th century?) in
Neuenkirchen. What Neuenkirchen??? There are lot's of Neuenkirchen in Germany.

In case that you want to do solid ancestry, you should start in
Neuenkirchen. Just look for August's parents and try to trace back his direct line.

Brigitte





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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 02:40:24
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Michelle: This string has moved so fast, I hope I am addressing the right person.

Question on Neunkirchen. Since my German is limited all I can do is look in a dictionary. From this I get: "ninth parish". Are we possibly looking for a parish instead of a town? I note the spelling has a "n" in it as opposed to Neukirchen or "New Church"?

Are you certain about the spelling?

In a prior e-mail I mentioned Altenhagen. I appears that it may have been the home of the parish for Hagen. I believe that some also mentioned Gorgsmarienhütte, which is in the same area.

Gale


On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:23:25 -0800
 "Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com> wrote:
Hi Barbara,

I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer born in a small village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange because I will see all the surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's son Martin married a lady named Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the occupation maybe? Then I have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
Neunkirchen. Does this help?

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hi Michelle,
What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are looking for?
Barbara


on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:

Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
records
on the surname Sprengelmeyer. I see some records on Bernhard
Sprengelmeyer
that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came
from
Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer
is at
the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to
where
the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there
still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 04:45:42
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi,
     There are 17 towns in Germany by the name of Neuenkirchen, 34 by the
name of Neukirchen, 6 by the name of Neukirch and 19 by the name of
Neunkirchen (19).  I checked my trusty German Autoatlas and counted each
one.  
Barbara



on 11/7/05 6:40 PM, gale(a)bosche.info at gale(a)bosche.info wrote:

> Hi Michelle:  This string has moved so fast, I hope I am
> addressing the right person.
> 
> Question on Neunkirchen.  Since my German is limited all I
> can do is look in a dictionary.  From this I get: "ninth
> parish".  Are we possibly looking for a parish instead of
> a town?   I note the spelling has a "n" in it as opposed
> to Neukirchen or "New Church"?
> 
> Are you certain about the spelling?
> 
> In a prior e-mail I mentioned Altenhagen. I appears that
> it may have been the home of the parish for Hagen.  I
> believe that some also mentioned Gorgsmarienhütte, which
> is in the same area.
> 
> Gale
> 
> 
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:23:25 -0800
> "Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com> wrote:
>> Hi Barbara,
>> 
>> I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer
>> born in a small
>> village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange
>> because I will see all the
>> surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's
>> son Martin married a lady named
>> Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the
>> occupation maybe? Then I
>> have a complete blank area of the father of August
>> Sprengelmeyer born in
>> Neunkirchen. Does this help?
>> 
>> Michelle
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R&B Stewart"
>> <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Michelle,
>>> What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are
>>> looking for?
>>> Barbara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I
>>>> am looking for
>>>> records
>>>> on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on
>>>> Bernhard
>>>> Sprengelmeyer
>>>> that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of
>>>> Sprengelmeyers came
>>>> from
>>>> Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in
>>>> California. I am so
>>>> confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and
>>>> this is why Meyer
>>>> is at
>>>> the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely
>>>> positioned to
>>>> where
>>>> the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any
>>>> Sprengelmeyers out there
>>>> still?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much!
>>>> 
>>>> Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 06:08:51
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi:

Were any of them close to Osnabrück area, or close to Hagen?

Gale


On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:45:18 -0700
 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Hi,
There are 17 towns in Germany by the name of Neuenkirchen, 34 by the name of Neukirchen, 6 by the name of Neukirch and 19 by the name of Neunkirchen (19). I checked my trusty German Autoatlas and counted each one. Barbara



on 11/7/05 6:40 PM, gale(a)bosche.info at gale(a)bosche.info wrote:

Hi Michelle:  This string has moved so fast, I hope I am
addressing the right person.

Question on Neunkirchen. Since my German is limited all I
can do is look in a dictionary.  From this I get: "ninth
parish". Are we possibly looking for a parish instead of
a town?   I note the spelling has a "n" in it as opposed
to Neukirchen or "New Church"?

Are you certain about the spelling?

In a prior e-mail I mentioned Altenhagen. I appears that
it may have been the home of the parish for Hagen.  I
believe that some also mentioned Gorgsmarienhütte, which
is in the same area.

Gale


On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:23:25 -0800
"Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com> wrote:
Hi Barbara,

I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer
born in a small
village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange
because I will see all the
surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's
son Martin married a lady named
Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the
occupation maybe? Then I
have a complete blank area of the father of August
Sprengelmeyer born in
Neunkirchen. Does this help?

Michelle
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hi Michelle,
What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are
looking for?
Barbara


on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com
wrote:

Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I
am looking for
records
on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on
Bernhard
Sprengelmeyer
that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of
Sprengelmeyers came
from
Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in
California. I am so
confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and
this is why Meyer
is at
the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely
positioned to
where
the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any
Sprengelmeyers out there
still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 07:40:17
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

A least 3 of the Neunkirchen are in the larger Osnabrück area.
 
Michelle: please let us know some facts.
At some time in this area Prussia and Hannover is the same, as well as  
Pussia an Germany. Without knowing more exact dates and names I can't help  you.
 
Because of records: There are only very few Hannover data on LDS. And you  
even can't get the films in family centers. So you must contact the German  
churches who keep the records. 
 
As there are some very different branches of Sprengelmeyer a different  
places,  you need to find out more info about August before you can  continue.
When did he emigrate, when and where was he born, did he get  married, 
etc......?????????????
 
Brigitte

[HN] Raum Holzminden: KopfsteuerbeschreibungenF ürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen

Date: 2005/11/08 09:12:53
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hallo, Björn
in welchen Orten forscht Du nach welchen Namen im Raum
Holzminden?
 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


> 
> für mich kämen die Bereiche um Wunstorf, sowie um
Holzminden in
> Betracht. Wäre da etwas dabei? Und was würde ein Band
kosten?
> 



Re: [HN] Hartmann - Salzgitter

Date: 2005/11/08 09:20:51
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>


Thank you,I will look to order them when I get to the FHC again.

As far as Salzgitter goes, the only thing I know is that, my G-Grandfather listed his place of birth on his marriage license as Salzgitter.

Bobbi


 --- On Sun 11/06, R&B Stewart < raybarbara(a)comcast.net > wrote:
From: R&B Stewart [mailto: raybarbara(a)comcast.net]
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 11:34:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [HN] Hartmann - Salzgitter

Hello Bobbi,

Have you looked at the records that the LDS have on microfilm: Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1808-1874   Evangelische Kirche Salzgitter 
Kr. Goslar)Parish records of births, marriages and deaths of Salzgitter (Kr. Goslar).

Salzgitter is a little confusing to me.  On the map, it looks like an area, not one city. From what I read, it was founded by the Nazis in 1942 which made 29 small cities into one city.  Perhaps there may be church records for some of the cities separately. 


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[HN] 30-jähriger Krieg

Date: 2005/11/08 12:19:00
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)manquehue.net>

Hinweis
*********
Informationen zum 30-jährigen Krieg findt man unter:
www.koni.onlinehome.de

Herzliche Grüesse
Georg Friederici

Re: [HN] John Wetjen, b.1834, son of Katharina

Date: 2005/11/08 13:24:19
From: Mahan <dorway(a)crosslink.net>

Yes, that is my John Wetjen. I know a lot about him after her arrived in the US, but nothing yet from Germany - no birth records or information about his parents. I need to find German records. I'm really pleased with the response I've gotten so far, and it's only been one day! I will check the website you told me about.
Thank you.
Dorine

R&B Stewart wrote:

Hello Dorine,
I think there were a lot more Wetjens in Germany than there were Jeffries!
     On the LDS website, there is a listing for a John Wetjen born 1832 in
Germany marrying a Sabina Westgate in New York in about 1853.  Is that who
you are looking for?  That still does not indicate the specific birthplace
for John.
     I'd suggest you'd use this website to search for Wetjen:
      http://meta.genealogy.net/metasuche/index.jsp

It includes a number of Ortsfamilienbuchs (listings of people who lived in
one town) and other sources.  There certainly are a lot of Wetjens in the
Bremen area. There are 297 listings for Wetjen in the German phone book.

     If you have not already done so, you should collect all the
information on John Wetjen from records in the USA.  That means marriage
records, birth records of his children, application for naturalization,
death records, etc.  Birthplaces can be listed on any of those records.
Contact other relatives who may have such items.

Good luck,
Barbara





on 11/6/05 7:28 PM, Mahan at dorway(a)crosslink.net wrote:

I'm looking for information on *John Wetjen* born in Hannover or
Hamburg, Germany about 1834. He left Germany and came to New York City
about 1850-51. His mother's name was *Katharina*. Anyone have a clue as
to who his parents might be? It's a rather odd name. I hope that will
make it easier to search. He was my great-great grandfather.
Thank you.
Dorine
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 14:56:14
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Sprengelmeyer could be a combination of Sprengel and Meyer.

- Sprengel is an old word for a parish or for a greater farm group.
- Meyer was in very former times the main farm of a farm group,
  he had the status like a Mayor, it became a surname later

In this case it could be the "Meyer Hof" of a greater farm group.

My interpretation, not sure!
Werner Honkomp


> Hello,

> I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
> records on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
> Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of
> Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here
> in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers
> and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were
> not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any
> help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still?

> Thank you so much!

> Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 17:26:40
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

The original Sprengelmeyer farm was rather small, it's certainly not  one of 
these large and very old Meyer-farms.
In this part of Germany ...meyer as ending of names was used like ...man(n)  
in other areas. 
 
brigitte Jahnke

Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 17:52:03
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
      I presume Michelle lives in the USA: she would have no trouble
ordering and viewing LDS films unless she lives in an area where there is no
LDS center. 
Barbara



on 11/7/05 11:40 PM, BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com at BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com wrote:

> A least 3 of the Neunkirchen are in the larger Osnabrück area.
> 
> Michelle: please let us know some facts.
> At some time in this area Prussia and Hannover is the same, as well as
> Pussia an Germany. Without knowing more exact dates and names I can't help
> you.
> 
> Because of records: There are only very few Hannover data on LDS. And you
> even can't get the films in family centers. So you must contact the German
> churches who keep the records.
> 
> As there are some very different branches of Sprengelmeyer a different
> places,  you need to find out more info about August before you can  continue.
> When did he emigrate, when and where was he born, did he get  married,
> etc......?????????????
> 
> Brigitte
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 18:44:57
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Hi Brigitte,

August I can seem to locate him entering the US. I have a borth date of
and see that he married Johanna Boesveld in St. Louis Missouri in 1860. Then
on the Federal Census records in the 1900 file, they are living in Julien
Iowa. I assume August was mining up there. He dies in Iowa. They have 9
children all born in Iowa. They both migrated at the same time to the US. I
just thought it was odd that they both identified their origin with
different words still being from the same area. I was not sure if that meant
anything or not. Basically, I see all of the Sprengelmeyers resided from
1577 to mid 1800s on between the area of Mentrup - Hagen - Osnabruck up to
Hannover. I found a record of Gustav Sprengel entring the US but the birth
date is not the same. I found death records in Missouri as well. It was
strange. They probably were brothers as the died living at the exact same residence
address but one death certificate last name is Sprengel and the other is
Sprengelmeyer? This is as much as I have gotten so far.

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>
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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


A least 3 of the Neunkirchen are in the larger Osnabrück area.

Michelle: please let us know some facts.
At some time in this area Prussia and Hannover is the same, as well as
Pussia an Germany. Without knowing more exact dates and names I can't help
you.

Because of records: There are only very few Hannover data on LDS. And you
even can't get the films in family centers. So you must contact the German
churches who keep the records.

As there are some very different branches of Sprengelmeyer a different
places,  you need to find out more info about August before you can
continue.
When did he emigrate, when and where was he born, did he get  married,
etc......?????????????

Brigitte
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 18:52:05
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Werner,

That is real interesting. Thanks. I am in California will see if I can locate a LDS branch. Wow! You guys have some much information! Thanks!

Michelle
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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 4:24 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Sprengelmeyer could be a combination of Sprengel and Meyer.

- Sprengel is an old word for a parish or for a greater farm group.
- Meyer was in very former times the main farm of a farm group,
 he had the status like a Mayor, it became a surname later

In this case it could be the "Meyer Hof" of a greater farm group.

My interpretation, not sure!
Werner Honkomp


Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
records on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of
Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here
in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers
and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were
not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any
help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 19:02:03
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Michelle,
     I've done some searching and found some info that you may already have.
Here's a shiplist with three Sprengelmeyers from 1867

   http://immigrantships.net/v4/1800v4/clara18671217.html

     They(George, Anna Marie and Franz) are all listed as coming from Gland.
I don't find any town by that name so I presume it refers to Glane. They are
listed In the Osnabrück emigration archives:

    Sprengelmeyer, Anna Maria    15977          Laer
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Anna Marie Gertrud    13555 Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Anna Sabine    13883            Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Bernhard Heinrich Christoph    13556 Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Cathrine Marie    13883         Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Elisabeth    13557                  Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Elisabeth    15975  (1865)      Laer
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Franz Heinrich    13558          Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Friedrich    23091 St. Johann (Harderberg,
                                 Holzhausen, Malbergen, Nahne, Voxtrup
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, G. Heinrich    14201            Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, gerhard Heinrich    13883   Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Jo=    13883                       Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Johann Heinrich       15977  Laer
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Johann Heinrich    23091  (See Friedrich)
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Johann Hermann    15976    Laer
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Johann Theodor    23092  (see Friedrich)
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Maria Elisabeth     13956    Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Marie Catharine    13558 Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Marie Elisabeth    13883  Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Marie Elisabeth    23091  (see Friedrich)
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Marie Elisabeth Catharine 13883  Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Mathias Heinrich    13558     Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, ohne Vorn., weibl.    14199    Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, weibl.          14200                Hagen

      These towns are all around the area south of Osnabrück.

       I found marriages in the St.Louis church records:

http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/dettleff-marr1869.htm

Joseph Sprengelmeyer married Anna Marie Peitz June 1859. His brother
Matthias is listed as a witness.  Caspar and Marianne Sprengelmeyer are
Joseph's parents. 

Then, somewhere it says that August Sprengelmeyer and Johanna are not listed
but they married Apr. 23, 1869.

That means the George Sprengelmeyer(emigration 1867) came AFTER August.
That may mean that they are brothers or certainly cousins.
  
    Keep track of every Sprengelmeyer name you see from that area south of
Osnabrück. Probably, they'll all tie together sometime.  August is not
directly in the emigration archives--or he may be listed with another name.
It was common for people to have 2-4 names before the surname.  One can't
always know which one they usually used for themselves.  Often it is the
last of the names listed before the surname.
  
   By the way, Osnabrück was in Hannover kingdom.  Prussia overlapped as
well in certain areas.

Barbara

 




on 11/7/05 4:43 PM, R&B Stewart at raybarbara(a)comcast.net wrote:

> Hi Michelle,
> 
> I must have missed something, but I didn't have any idea you were
> looking for the father of someone born in 1577!  I just wanted to tell you
> that in the emigration archives of Osnabrück there are Sprengelmeyers from
> Hagen, but also Glane and Laer which are in the same area.
> 
> I wouldn't put a lot of concern about the Meyer at the end of the name.
> It happens often.  Those very early records show many variations on names in
> the same family line.  Many different spellings as well.  Records were
> written however the writer "heard" it. I would guess if I were looking at a
> certain set of records of a town, e.g. and there were both Sprengel and
> Sprengelmeyer names listed, I would presume they were basically related.
> 
> If you should ever want to look at later records, the LDS has some for
> Glane-Visbeck (same as the Glane mentioned above where some Sprengelmeyers
> lived) :
> Registers and transcripts of church records for births, baptisms,
> marriages, and deaths. Includes some indexes. Catholic Church. 1808-1874.
> The LDS has film for the same type of records for Laer.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by
>> I have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
>> Neunkirchen. 
> What time period are you talking about?
> 
> If you look at the LDS page and search for just the name of
> Sprengelmeyer, there are a great number of Sprengelmeyers listed from Lienen
> Westfalen.  That is also in the same area (on the border between Hannover
> and Westfalen) and they are perhaps related to your family.  The LDS have a
> number of films for Lienen that may be helpful to you as well.
> 
> Happy hunting!
> Barbara 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 11/7/05 3:23 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi Barbara,
>> 
>> I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer born in a small
>> village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange because I will see
>> all the
>> surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's son Martin married a
>> lady named
>> Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the occupation maybe? Then I
>> have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
>> Neunkirchen. Does this help?
>> 
>> Michelle
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Michelle,
>>> What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are looking for?
>>> Barbara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
>>>> records
>>>> on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
>>>> Sprengelmeyer
>>>> that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came
>>>> from
>>>> Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so
>>>> confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer
>>>> is at
>>>> the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to
>>>> where
>>>> the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there
>>>> still?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much!
>>>> 
>>>> Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>> 
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 19:05:36
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

Barbara,
 
sorry, the Hannover Evangelical Church never allowed LDS to  copy records. 
 
All films that you find in the LDS Archives are copies of records that are  
deposited in Public Archives, mostly because they are duplicates.
 
Brigitte Jahnke
 
 

Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 19:18:31
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Thank you. I had about only 10% of the below!! Yeah!

Michelle
----- Original Message ----- From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Michelle,
    I've done some searching and found some info that you may already have.
Here's a shiplist with three Sprengelmeyers from 1867

  http://immigrantships.net/v4/1800v4/clara18671217.html

    They(George, Anna Marie and Franz) are all listed as coming from Gland.
I don't find any town by that name so I presume it refers to Glane. They are
listed In the Osnabrück emigration archives:

   Sprengelmeyer, Anna Maria    15977          Laer
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Anna Marie Gertrud    13555 Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Anna Sabine    13883            Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Bernhard Heinrich Christoph    13556 Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Cathrine Marie    13883         Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Elisabeth    13557                  Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Elisabeth    15975  (1865)      Laer
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Franz Heinrich    13558          Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Friedrich    23091 St. Johann (Harderberg,
                                Holzhausen, Malbergen, Nahne, Voxtrup
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, G. Heinrich    14201            Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, gerhard Heinrich    13883   Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Jo=    13883                       Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Johann Heinrich       15977  Laer
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Johann Heinrich    23091  (See Friedrich)
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Johann Hermann    15976    Laer
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Johann Theodor    23092  (see Friedrich)
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Maria Elisabeth     13956    Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Marie Catharine    13558 Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Marie Elisabeth    13883  Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Marie Elisabeth    23091  (see Friedrich)
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Marie Elisabeth Catharine 13883  Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, Mathias Heinrich    13558     Glane
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, ohne Vorn., weibl.    14199    Hagen
PERS    Sprengelmeyer, weibl.          14200                Hagen

     These towns are all around the area south of Osnabrück.

      I found marriages in the St.Louis church records:

http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/dettleff-marr1869.htm

Joseph Sprengelmeyer married Anna Marie Peitz June 1859. His brother
Matthias is listed as a witness.  Caspar and Marianne Sprengelmeyer are
Joseph's parents.

Then, somewhere it says that August Sprengelmeyer and Johanna are not listed
but they married Apr. 23, 1869.

That means the George Sprengelmeyer(emigration 1867) came AFTER August.
That may mean that they are brothers or certainly cousins.

   Keep track of every Sprengelmeyer name you see from that area south of
Osnabrück. Probably, they'll all tie together sometime.  August is not
directly in the emigration archives--or he may be listed with another name.
It was common for people to have 2-4 names before the surname.  One can't
always know which one they usually used for themselves.  Often it is the
last of the names listed before the surname.

  By the way, Osnabrück was in Hannover kingdom.  Prussia overlapped as
well in certain areas.

Barbara






on 11/7/05 4:43 PM, R&B Stewart at raybarbara(a)comcast.net wrote:

Hi Michelle,

I must have missed something, but I didn't have any idea you were
looking for the father of someone born in 1577!  I just wanted to tell you
that in the emigration archives of Osnabrück there are Sprengelmeyers from
Hagen, but also Glane and Laer which are in the same area.

I wouldn't put a lot of concern about the Meyer at the end of the name.
It happens often. Those very early records show many variations on names in
the same family line.  Many different spellings as well.  Records were
written however the writer "heard" it. I would guess if I were looking at a
certain set of records of a town, e.g. and there were both Sprengel and
Sprengelmeyer names listed, I would presume they were basically related.

If you should ever want to look at later records, the LDS has some for
Glane-Visbeck (same as the Glane mentioned above where some Sprengelmeyers
lived) :
Registers and transcripts of church records for births, baptisms,
marriages, and deaths. Includes some indexes. Catholic Church. 1808-1874.
The LDS has film for the same type of records for Laer.

I'm not sure what you mean by
I have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
Neunkirchen.
What time period are you talking about?

If you look at the LDS page and search for just the name of
Sprengelmeyer, there are a great number of Sprengelmeyers listed from Lienen
Westfalen.  That is also in the same area (on the border between Hannover
and Westfalen) and they are perhaps related to your family. The LDS have a
number of films for Lienen that may be helpful to you as well.

Happy hunting!
Barbara




on 11/7/05 3:23 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:

Hi Barbara,

I was looking for the father of Bernhard Sprengelmeyer born in a small
village of Mentrup - Hagen back in 1577. It is strange because I will see
all the
surnames in this area all end with "Meyer." Bernhard's son Martin married a
lady named
Maragretha Abkemeyer. Do I assume Meyer was the occupation maybe? Then I
have a complete blank area of the father of August Sprengelmeyer born in
Neunkirchen. Does this help?

Michelle
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Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


Hi Michelle,
What are the specific Sprengelmeyer name(s) you are looking for?
Barbara


on 11/4/05 5:02 PM, Michelle Sims at michelle(a)uceit.com wrote:

Hello,

I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
records
on the surname Sprengelmeyer.  I see some records on Bernhard
Sprengelmeyer
that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of Sprengelmeyers came
from
Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers and this is why Meyer
is at
the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were not closely positioned to
where
the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there
still?

Thank you so much!

Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 19:19:09
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

Sorry, there is something I didn't express clear enough:
 
Only a very small percentage of records from the Hannover area has been  
filmed by LDS, but there are films made by the regional church institutions. 
Available on LDS-films are mostly copies of duplicates of the 19th  century.
 
In regard of the Catholic Church in Hannover it is the same.
 
Whenever you need to get access to elder records you must contact the  
respective churches.
 
Brigitte

Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 19:32:41
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Brigette,

      There have been exceptions to that for sure.  How they got there I
wouldn't know, but anything is helpful.  I have looked at LDS records all
over the place and the LDS has some church records and a number of other
records like census, emigration, etc. I wouldn't care if the records were
duplicates!
 
     It appears to me from the USA information that Michelle's family was
Catholic.  I know that the Osnabrück Catholic diocese "in general" has not
allowed the copying of records either, but, I know from experience, there
are some Catholic church records that have been filmed. I have been to the
Osnabrück diocesan office to do research as well.

Barbara



on 11/8/05 11:05 AM, BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com at BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com wrote:

> Barbara,
> 
> sorry, the Hannover Evangelical Church never allowed LDS to  copy records.
> 
> All films that you find in the LDS Archives are copies of records that are
> deposited in Public Archives, mostly because they are duplicates.
> 
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> 
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 20:00:58
From: edwardssl <edwardssl(a)att.net>

Hello Werner,
Would the title "Meier" have the same meaning?  I have ancestors from the area just north of Saarland that are referred to as "Meier" and I didn't know for sure if this meant "Mayor".  Could it also mean "Leader"?

Rgds
Linda Edwards

-------------- Original message from Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>: -------------- 


> Sprengelmeyer could be a combination of Sprengel and Meyer. 
> 
> - Sprengel is an old word for a parish or for a greater farm group. 
> - Meyer was in very former times the main farm of a farm group, 
> he had the status like a Mayor, it became a surname later 
> 
> In this case it could be the "Meyer Hof" of a greater farm group. 
> 
> My interpretation, not sure! 
> Werner Honkomp 
> 
> 
> > Hello, 
> 
> > I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for 
> > records on the surname Sprengelmeyer. I see some records on Bernhard 
> > Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of 
> > Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live here 
> > in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were farmers 
> > and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were 
> > not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any 
> > help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still? 
> 
> > Thank you so much! 
> 
> > Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer. 
> > ______________________________________________ 
> 
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> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l 
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Re: [HN]LDS films

Date: 2005/11/08 20:28:00
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Brigitte,
       
      I wouldn't people to be mislead about LDS films. As an example, here
is the list of LDS films for the city of Hannover and towns nearby:

    Germany, Preu?n, Hannover, Hannover - Church records

Titles     Garnison-Kirchenbuch Hannover, 1690-1811  Ritter, J? 1928-
Garnison-Kirchenbuch Hannover, 1816-1867  Ritter, J? 1928-

Kirchenbuch  Evangelische Kirche. Schlo?irche Hannover (StKr. Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1538-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Marktkirche Sankt Jacobi et
Sankt Georgii Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1546-1904  Evangelische Kirche Bemerode (Kr. Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1588-1934  Evangelische Kirche Bothfeld (Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1610-1935  Evangelische Kirche. Kreuzkirche Sankt Crucis
Hannover 
Kirchenbuch, 1631-1934  Evangelische Kirche Sankt Petri D?n (Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1638-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Neust?er Hof- und Stadtkirche
Sankt Johannis Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1640-1895  Evangelische Kirche Anderten (Kr. Burgdorf)
Kirchenbuch, 1640-1934  Evangelische Kirche Sankt Jacobi Kirchrode
(Hannover) 
Kirchenbuch, 1641-1897  Evangelische Kirche W?de (Kr. Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1644-1934  Evangelische Kirche Hainholz (Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1661-1934  Evangelische Kirche Marienwerder (Kr. Neustadt a.
R?rge) 
Kirchenbuch, 1665-1934  Evangelische Kirche Sankt Martin Linden (StKr.
Linden) 
Kirchenbuch, 1666-1852  Katholische Kirche. Propstei- (Klemens-) Kirche
Hannover 
Kirchenbuch, 1670-1937  Evangelische Kirche. Schlo?irche Hannover (StKr.
Hannover) 
Kirchenbuch, 1690-1945  Evangelische Kirche. Garnisongemeinde Hannover
(StKr. Hannover) 
Kirchenbuch, 1700-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Nicolaikirche Limmer (Linden)
Kirchenbuch, 1711-1934  Evangelische Kirche Sankt çidien Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1746-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Gartenkirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1853-1864  Katholische Kirche Hannover (StKr. Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1853-1874  Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirche Hannover (STKr.
Hannover) 
Kirchenbuch, 1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche. Clemenskirche Hannover (STKr.
Hannover) 
Kirchenbuch, 1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche. Marktkirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche. Neust?er Kirche Hannover (STKr.
Hannover) 
Kirchenbuch, 1859-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Christuskirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1870-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Dreifaltigkeitskirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1876-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Petrikirche Kleefeld (Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1877-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Michaeliskirche Ricklingen (Kr.
Linden) 
Kirchenbuch, 1883-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Zions Erl?kirche Linden (StKr.
Linden) 
Kirchenbuch, 1884-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Apostelkirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1891-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Pauluskirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1899-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Lutherkirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1903-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Lukaskirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1904-1934  Evangelische Kirche Stephansstift Kirchrode
(Hannover) 
Kirchenbuch, 1906-1934  Evangelische Kirche Herrenhausen (Kr. Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1906-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Listerkirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1906-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Markuskirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1907-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Bethlehemskirche Linden (StKr.
Linden) 
Kirchenbuch, 1907-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Nazarethkirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1919-1934  Evangelische Kirche Vahrenwald (Hannover)
Kirchenbuch, 1926-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Paul Gerhardt Kirche Badenstedt
(Linden) 
Kirchenbuch, 1927-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Friedenskirche Hannover
Kirchenbuch, 1927-1934  Evangelische Kirche. Gethsemanekirche Hannover
Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1860  Katholische Kirche. Schlo?irche Hannover
(StKr. Hannover) 
Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche Kirchrode (Hannover)
Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1859-1872  Evangelische Kirche Hannover (StKr.
Hannover) 
Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1866-1872  Evangelische Kirche Hannover (StKr.
Hannover) 
Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1866-1872  Evangelische Kirche Kirchrode (Hannover)





on 11/8/05 11:18 AM, BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com at BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com wrote:

> Sorry, there is something I didn't express clear enough:
> 
> Only a very small percentage of records from the Hannover area has been
> filmed by LDS, but there are films made by the regional church institutions.
> Available on LDS-films are mostly copies of duplicates of the 19th  century.
> 
> In regard of the Catholic Church in Hannover it is the same.
> 
> Whenever you need to get access to elder records you must contact the
> respective churches.
> 
> Brigitte
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 20:47:14
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi:

Here is what I find from Castle Garden:

http://www.castlegarden.org/

First name, Last name, Occupation, Age, Sex, Arrived, Origin, Ship

Elisab. Sprengelmeyer Farmer 29 F 11 Dec 1845 Germany Bertrand

Franz Sprengelmeyer Unknown 16 U 17 Dec 1867 Germany Clara

Fred. Sprengelmeyer Farmer 29 M 11 Dec 1845 Germany Bertrand

Georg-h. Sprengelmeyer Farmer 22 U 17 Dec 1867 Germany Clara

Marie Sprengelmeyer Unknown 24 U 17 Dec 1867 Germany Clara
Wilhelmine Sprengelmeyer Infant 4 m F 11 Dec 1845 Germany Bertrand

Heinrich Sprengelmeyer Farmer 23 M 25 May 1867 Germany Herman

Gale





On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:40:41 -0800
 "Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com> wrote:
Hi Brigitte,

August I can seem to locate him entering the US. I have a borth date of and see that he married Johanna Boesveld in St. Louis Missouri in 1860. Then on the Federal Census records in the 1900 file, they are living in Julien Iowa. I assume August was mining up there. He dies in Iowa. They have 9 children all born in Iowa. They both migrated at the same time to the US. I just thought it was odd that they both identified their origin with different words still being from the same area. I was not sure if that meant anything or not. Basically, I see all of the Sprengelmeyers resided from 1577 to mid 1800s on between the area of Mentrup - Hagen - Osnabruck up to Hannover. I found a record of Gustav Sprengel entring the US but the birth date is not the same. I found death records in Missouri as well. It was strange. They probably were brothers as the died living at the exact same residence address but one death certificate last name is Sprengel and the other is
Sprengelmeyer? This is as much as I have gotten so far.

Michelle
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Subject: Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer


A least 3 of the Neunkirchen are in the larger Osnabrück area.

Michelle: please let us know some facts.
At some time in this area Prussia and Hannover is the same, as well as Pussia an Germany. Without knowing more exact dates and names I can't help
you.

Because of records: There are only very few Hannover data on LDS. And you even can't get the films in family centers. So you must contact the German
churches who keep the records.

As there are some very different branches of Sprengelmeyer a different places, you need to find out more info about August before you can
continue.
When did he emigrate, when and where was he born, did he get married,
etc......?????????????

Brigitte
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Re: [HN] Raum Holzminden: KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFü rstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen

Date: 2005/11/08 21:30:10
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Hallo Reinhard,

bei den Vorfahren meines Schwiegervaters aus dem Raum Holzminden handelt es sich im Wesentlich um folgenden Namen aus folgenden Orten. Mehr ist auch auf meiner Homepage: http://www.bjoern-sassenberg.de/surnames.html zu sehen.

Holzminden:
HALLEMANN, SALVEY, SCHOPPE

Altendorf:
ASCHE, BEVERUNG, JACOB, QUÄST, SCHMIDTMANN

Heinsen:
BENNEFELD, BEERMANN, BIERMANN, BÖKER, BUSCHE, DORMANN, DREYER, EVERS, HANSMANN, KEMENA, KEMNA, KENNEMANN, MÖN(E)KEMEIER, MÜNCHMEIER, NEGENBORN, OPPERMANN (Nr. 11), SCHRADER, SIEBERS, SÖFKEN, STAPPERFEND, TOP(P)

Deensen:
KLENKE, LESSMANN (Nr. 37), NIEMEIER, SCHNEGEL

Pegestorf:
MEIER

Bodenfelde:
BENTEKAMP

Ottenstein:
DÜE, KELLERMEIER, MEIER

Polle:
BÖHME, EVERS, HENSEL, JACOB

Lüchtringen
ABEL, SCHOPPE?

Kohnsen:
SCHLÜTER

Mit den besten Grüßen aus Langenhagen,

Björn


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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [HN] Raum Holzminden: KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen



Hallo, Björn
in welchen Orten forscht Du nach welchen Namen im Raum
Holzminden?

In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag



für mich kämen die Bereiche um Wunstorf, sowie um
Holzminden in
Betracht. Wäre da etwas dabei? Und was würde ein Band
kosten?



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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/08 22:38:00
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Linda,
you are right, Meier and Meyer is the same and I agree, Leader is the better expression.
Thank you,
Werner Honkomp

> Hello Werner,
> Would the title "Meier" have the same meaning?  I have ancestors from the
> area just north of Saarland that are referred to as "Meier" and I didn't
> know for sure if this meant "Mayor".  Could it also mean "Leader"?

> Rgds
> Linda Edwards

> -------------- Original message from Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>:
> --------------


>> Sprengelmeyer could be a combination of Sprengel and Meyer.
>>
>> - Sprengel is an old word for a parish or for a greater farm group.
>> - Meyer was in very former times the main farm of a farm group,
>> he had the status like a Mayor, it became a surname later
>>
>> In this case it could be the "Meyer Hof" of a greater farm group.
>>
>> My interpretation, not sure!
>> Werner Honkomp
>>
>>
>> > Hello,
>>
>> > I am new to the program. I am really in need of help. I am looking for
>> > records on the surname Sprengelmeyer. I see some records on Bernhard
>> > Sprengelmeyer that was born in Mentrup Hagen, but I see a few of
>> > Sprengelmeyers came from Hannover out of the Port of Bremmer. We live
>> > here
>> > in California. I am so confused with the name. I assume they were
>> > farmers
>> > and this is why Meyer is at the end. But, I see the Sprengelmeyers were
>> > not closely positioned to where the Sprengels were. Do anyone have any
>> > help? Any Sprengelmeyers out there still?
>>
>> > Thank you so much!
>>
>> > Michelle & Kirk Sprengelmeyer.
>> > ______________________________________________
>>
>> > Hannover-L mailing list
>> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>>
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Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/09 00:36:39
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>


Hello Linda, hello Werner,

The title "Meyer" has nothing to do with "leader". It means that this person was a farmer. In North Germany we had four different classes of farmers in every village: Meier/Meyer (farms about 20-30 ha),Halbmeier (farms about 10-15 ha), Köthner/Kötter (farms about 5-8 ha), Brinksitzer (less than 5 ha). ha = hektar = 10 000 square meters. If there is one "Sprengelmeyer" in Neuenkirchen and another "Sprengelmeyer" in Hagen or Glane, it doesn`t mean that this people are relatives. For example: People with the name of "Smith" (like me) are also not related.

Viele Grüße   Susanne

Hello Linda,
you are right, Meier and Meyer is the same and I agree, Leader is the better expression.
Thank you,
Werner Honkomp

Hello Werner,
Would the title "Meier" have the same meaning? I have ancestors from the
area just north of Saarland that are referred to as "Meier" and I didn't
know for sure if this meant "Mayor".  Could it also mean "Leader"?

Rgds
Linda Edwards


[HN] Maurhoff and Steinkemeyer

Date: 2005/11/09 02:41:04
From: Paul N. Woessner <paul.n.woessner(a)verizon.net>

Hello Everyone:

I posted the following messages last December when I first signed on to this list. I am re-posting now in the hope that someone might be able to provide me with some new ideas. Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.

I am having trouble determining where my 4-g grandfather was born. His name is Georg Friederich Mauerhoff (also spelled more recently as Maurhoff). I have found his marriage (on 25 FEB 1768 to Dorothea Margaretha Harnack in Hannover) and death (on 18 OCT 1817 in Hannover at age 77 yrs. 10 mos.) records, and baptismal records for his children (all in Hannover). I have checked all churches in and around Hannover which had records for the possible years of his birth and have found nothing. He was an Uhrmacher, as were two of his sons (August Friederich, my 3-g grandfather, and Johann Diedrich Ludwig who moved to Celle). Georg Friederich had a high position in the Reformed Church -- he was a sponsor for Johann Diedrich's first son, and was described as "Varsteher der reform Gemeinde Hannover." Church records I found for the family were from Lutheran churches in Hannover. Unfortunately, the records for the Reformed church cover only a narrow period in the mid-19th century. I thought I could write the church and ask them if they could check their records. Does anyone know how I could do that ? Would they have an e-mail address ? I also thought that maybe there might be an obituary on Georg Friederich's death in the paper at the time. Does anyone know how I would go about finding out if there were papers in Hannover at the time, and if any of them might contain an obituary ?

Additional info: Johann Diedrich was also a church elder in the Reformed church in Celle. In researching the Maurhoff name and spelling variants I discovered the name "Mohrhoff" in the Hannover area. In Georg Friederich's marriage record his name was spelled in this way. I thought that might mean that he was from outside the area, as the Pastor was more familiar with the Mohrhoff name than his. Also in my research I discovered several Maurhoff families in Ostpreussen (Darkhemen church records). The name begins in the 1780s, although could be earlier as the earlier films are barely readable. Does anyone know how I could contact either an archives or the church itself ? This area is now Ozersk, Russia.

Any ideas anyone has on helping me track down Georg Friederich's place of birth would be greatly appreciated. Also, any info on the Maurhoff name would be appreciated as I'm sure they're all related to me, one way or another.

I'm also trying to find out more info on my mother's maternal grandmother, Caroline Dorothea Maria Steinkemeyer. She was born on 23 March 1848. According to her marriage record she was born in Vorberg (Hannover), which I'm told may be a small hamlet in the jurisdiction of the village of Hoyerhagen. Unfortunately there are no records for this village on microfilm. Is anyone familiar with this village, and would know if I can write or e-mail the church there ? A couple of years ago I found the passenger list record for her family when they came to the US. They arrived in the US on 28 JAN 1864 in NY from Bremen. The following info was on the passenger list:

Friedrich Steinkemeyer   41 yrs 8 mos  Farmer  Hannover
Marie         "          29     9
Dorothea      "          15     9
Sophia        "           0     4

Dorothea would be my great-grandmother. Due to the ages, I believe Marie to be Friedrich's second wife and not Dorothea's mother.

If anyone has any ideas on how I could find out more about the Steinkemeyer name and/or my great-grandmother, please let me know.

Paul N. Woessner

P.S. I will be spending the first week of December at the Family History Library in SLC.


Re: [HN] Carl Poycke???

Date: 2005/11/09 02:43:40
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Don,

The url is:

http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/resources/resources.asp

Barbie-Lew


From: svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com
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Subject: Re: [HN] Carl Poycke???
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:07:02 -0500

Good morning Barbie,
   What is the URL for the Missouri State Archive Online... ?
Thanks,
Don Roddy


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Hello,

Missouri State Archive Online Naturalizaqtion records Lists:

Circuit Court
Series Naturalization Records
Sub Series Naturalization Cards
County St. Louis City
Reel Number
Volume C
Page 36
Name Potyka, Carl ******
Current Residence
Record Date 5/7/1891
Native Country Germany
Age
Witness 1
Witness 2
Note
Source Partnership between MO State Archives, St. Louis Genealogical
Society, and St. Louis Circuit Court




Contact archref(a)sos.gov to request a print copy of the record. The cost of a
photocopy is $1.00 per record.


Below is link for instructions to order.
http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/resources/email.asp


Not certain if printed record would have additional information.

Also not sure if ^ assists in your research. Noticed simularity of name.

Oops ^ Carl Potyka probobly not old enough...

Oh well I post anyway.

Barbie-Lew



From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
CC: elbing-L(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche POYCKE / PAYCKE aus ELBING (wohl Wes
tpreußen) - Otto Waldemar POYCKE geb. 07.04.1846  in ELBING
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:26:23 -0400

On 19 Oct 2005 at 8:37, guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de wrote:

> Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
>
> wiedereinmal habe(n) wir/ich eine schwierige Aufgabe zu lösen.
>
> Gesucht wird der Ort Elbing. In Deutschland habe ich ihn nicht
> gefunden. Aber in Westpreußen gibt es diesen Ort. (www.elbing.de)
>
> Vielleicht hilft auch der hier in Norddeutschland wohl eher seltene
> Name POYCKE / PAYCKE weiter.
>
> Otto Waldemar POYCHE geb. 07.04.1846 in Elbing
>      Vater: Carl Friedrich Poycke, Buchbinder in Elbing
>      Mutter: Maria Christiane Wolf
>
> Otto Waldemar POYCHE heiratet am 24.07.1873 in Rotenburg Anna Mette
> DANKER
>
> Hat einer von euch was für mich?

Eigentlich gehört diese Frage in die Elbing oder OW-
Preussen Liste aber wenn schon denn schon:

Carl Poycke ist zweimal im Elbinger Adressbuch von
1848 eingetragen. Ich weiß nicht ob es zwei
verschiedene Carls sind:

Buchbinder Carl Poycke, Brückstr. 25c
Buchbinder und Petschaftstecher Carl Poycke,
Fischerstr. 37

In 1852 erscheint nur ein Buchbinder Carl Poycke,
Innere Hinterstr. 16 aber zwei Poycke Frauen sind
jetzt auch da:
Caroline und Johanna, Schneiderinnen, Junkerstr. 56

In 1858 ist wieder Carl Poycke, Buchbindermeister,
Wasserstr. 36 da. (er zieht wohl oft um)

Ab 1861 sind sie verschwunden.

Fred
   Fred & Marlies Rump
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Naples, FL 34120-2029
239-775-7838  or cells: 239-269-4781 / 609-284-6007
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[HN] re: sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/09 02:52:48
From: Art Dohrman <art.dohrman(a)comcast.net>

Regarding Michelle Sims' ancestor SPRENGELMEYER and the meaning of the name,
I thought "Meier" meant "dairy farmer".  I assumed the different spellings
(Mayer, Meyer) were the same.  Is this not correct?

 

Art Dohrman      

Researching DOHRMANN/VOSSBRINK/STELLWAGEN


Re: [HN] Maurhoff and Steinkemeyer

Date: 2005/11/09 05:16:44
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello  Paul, 

           The Vorberg you refer to is a very small village west of Hoya and
south of Hoyerhagen. There is a census of names in Hoya:

       http://www.hist.de/Hanover-Surname-Index.htm
      There are no Steinkemeyers listed there, but there is a Steinmeyer.
There are people at that website that could probably help you.  They may
know if those from Vorburg would have gone to church in Hoya or Hoyerhagen.

       There is another Vorberg just north of Schwanewede - There are LDS
records for that city.
        
        Paul, I probably wrote the same thing to you before- no?
        Did I tell you the following?

       The emigration archives from Hannover list this:

        Steinkemeier, Heinrich Friedrich from Burgwedel (which is northeast
of the city of Hannover). There are some LDS records for Burgwedel. The
spelling of meier and meyer are interchangeable.  I have Gügelmeyer
ancestors that interchanged that -meyer to -meier all the time.

      The German telephone book has NO listings for Steinkemeyer.  However,
there are listings for Steinkemeier:
     Steinkemeier Bernd
              Elfter Str. 2    32479 Hille     05734 27 10
     Steinkemeier Friedrich
              Untere Wiesenstr. 39    32120 Hiddenhausen     05221 6 58 02
     Steinkemeier Horst
        [1.... Berlin]     030 6 24 93 26
     Steinkemeier Klaus
               Burgstr. 14    45289 Essen     0201 57 15 95
     Steinkemeier Reinhold Land...
                Elfter Str. 2    32479 Hille     05734 75 02
     Steinkemeier Volker
                Luinendecker 21    32139 Spenge     05225 79 02 78
    
       Hill, Hiddenhausen, and Spenge are 3 cities to the east of the city
of Osnabrück.  There is more than one Essen and I'm not sure which is the
one on this list. Obviously, Berlin was never in Hannover.  You could try
contacting any of those people.

      You certainly have worked hard. This chasing down of dead relatives is
indeed a strange hobby!!

Good luck
Barbara



on 11/8/05 6:40 PM, Paul N. Woessner at paul.n.woessner(a)verizon.net wrote:

> Steinkemeye


RE: [HN] Maurhoff and Steinkemeyer

Date: 2005/11/09 05:17:50
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Paul and Listers,

I wonder if 'hoff' in Maurhoff refers to a farm?

Wonder if there is a tiny little villiage called Mohrhoff?


Barbie-Lew
St. Louis



Re: [HN] Sprengelmeyer

Date: 2005/11/09 05:27:57
From: edwardssl <edwardssl(a)att.net>

Many thanks for the information.

Rgds
Linda


-------------- Original message from "Susanne Schmitz" <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>: -------------- 


> 
> Hello Linda, hello Werner, 
> 
> The title "Meyer" has nothing to do with "leader". It means that this 
> person was a farmer. In North Germany we had four different classes of 
> farmers in every village: Meier/Meyer (farms about 20-30 ha),Halbmeier 
> (farms about 10-15 ha), Köthner/Kötter (farms about 5-8 ha), Brinksitzer 
> (less than 5 ha). ha = hektar = 10 000 square meters. 
> If there is one "Sprengelmeyer" in Neuenkirchen and another 
> "Sprengelmeyer" in Hagen or Glane, it doesn`t mean that this people are 
> relatives. For example: People with the name of "Smith" (like me) are also 
> not related. 
> 
> Viele Grüße Susanne 
> 
> > Hello Linda, 
> > you are right, Meier and Meyer is the same and I agree, Leader is the 
> > better expression. 
> > Thank you, 
> > Werner Honkomp 
> > 
> >> Hello Werner, 
> >> Would the title "Meier" have the same meaning? I have ancestors from 
> >> the 
> >> area just north of Saarland that are referred to as "Meier" and I didn't 
> >> know for sure if this meant "Mayor". Could it also mean "Leader"? 
> > 
> >> Rgds 
> >> Linda Edwards 
> > 
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RE: [HN] Ahnenforschung

Date: 2005/11/09 05:43:12
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Siggi,

Came across the following on the WWW.

Mrs. L. D. GARDNER entertained the Ladies Aid of Olney Wednesday afternoon. Those present were: Mrs. Henry GODEKE, Mrs. Chris HASLER, Mrs. Ed. P. FEUTZ, Mrs. Chris IAGGI, Mrs., Minnie IAGGI, Mrs. Fred BURGENER, Mrs. E. C. GILBERT, Mrs. Dan SCHMOKER, Mrs. Oliver ZERKLE, Mrs. Mart VON ALMEN, Mrs. Henry GARDNER, Mrs. Elizabeth STERCHI, Miss Maggie STEURY, and Rev. SAUERWEIN.

THE OLNEY TIMES
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 1917
VOL. 43 NO. 47
OLNEY, ILLINOIS

http://www.vonbehren.org/1917Nov.htm

You may have allready seen.  Perhaps yours.

The name Godeke






From: Siegfriedknust(a)aol.com
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Ahnenforschung
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:33:26 EST

Hallo
ich suche Angaben über Familien Gödecke aus dem Bereich Alfeld/Leine
speziell aus den Dörfern Netze, Graste, Woltershausen.
Desweiteren suche ich Angaben über Familie Rauschenplat aus Adenstedt Kreis
Alfeld oder Umgebung.

Wer kann mir helfen?

Dankl im voraus.

Siggi
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RE: [HN] RUEVE, MEYER, SANDT

Date: 2005/11/09 08:58:35
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Fr. Mauro,

You sent me this note quite a while ago. Thank you. I think I wrote to you about those names before I really did much study if any. And I still study.

Would it be ok if I shared your info?

Do you know if any of your Meyers listed below may have had connections in St. Louis, Missouri, U.S.A.?

I wonder if perhaps also Southern, Illinois?

And perhaps Cincinatti, OH? and perhaps even Indiana?

I put * beside name I beliveI recognize from St. Louis, Mo. and vacinity.

I put ??? beside name I think I recogonize.

P.S.  In my Lewandowski line there was a priest in the family.

Fr. teophil PUdlowski. Holy Orders 1898.

Warmest regards,
Barbie-lew
St. Louis, Mo.




From: "Frei Mauro" <obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br>
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Subject: [HN] RUEVE, MEYER, SANDT
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:08:51 -0500

Dear Barb and Edward,
Here goes a list of all the names of Rueve, Meyer and Sandt that are part of
our Family Tree.  Do you recognize any of them.  Hope so.   Unfortunately I
don´t know much about most of them.  I´ve included what I know.
Name Birth date Birth location Death date Death location Spouse

Meyer, Alphons Garrel Tieman, Auguste Maria Gerrtrud?????

Meyer, Annegret Dinkgrefe, Heinrich Josef Johann

Meyer, Bernd Henrich Quatmann, Maria Catharina Bernardina

Meyer, Bernhard Heinrich Rump, Josefa

Meyer, Caspar Henrich Kruempelmann, Maria Elizabeth

Meyer, Dirk Henrich 9 fevereiro 1831

Meyer, Elisabeth Wilhelmine 24 setembro 1855 6 novembro 1877 Dinkgrefe,
Johan Henrich Hermrolfes

Meyer, Joes Henrich Brüggehagen, Anna Adelheid

Meyer, Joh. Dirk Hodebecke, Maria Aleth

Meyer, Johan Henrich Meyer, Maria Elisabeth

Meyer, Maria Catharina 15 março 1878 Quatmann, Joan Henrich

Meyer, Maria Catharine 16 abril 1803 Waschefort, Caspar Henrich

Meyer, Maria Elisabeth 13 outubro 1836 Barlage, Johan Henrich????

Meyer, Theodore Henrich 11 outubro 1787 12 junho 1870 Röbke-Stadtsholte,
Catharina Elisabeth

Meyer, Wessel Uptloh gt.Thole, Anna Maria Angela

Meyer-Bokel, Berrnard Dinkgrefe, Frieda Elisabeth Rosalia????

Rueve, Anton August 1831

Rueve, Bernard Heinrich 1815 5 abril 1872 Sander, KAth Elizabeth???

Rueve, Caspar Anton 1767 Dünhoeft, Anna Maria Angela Elis.

Rueve, Joh Bernard 1859

Rueve, Joh Josef 1826

Rueve, Johan Anton 1797 9 abril 1869 Langfer, Anna Bernardina

Rueve, Maria Bernardina 1846 11 fevereiro 1913 Kuper, Joh Bernard????***

Rueve, Maria Elisabeth Bernardina 1800 24 novembro 1882 Klünemann, Joh
Rudolf????????

Rueve, Maria Elizabeth 1867 Lückmann, Joh Heinrich

Rueve, Maria Gertrud 11 dezembro 1804 Moennig, Heinrich Josef

Rueve, Maria Joanna 1870 Willenborg, Joh Gottfried

Rueve, Maria Josephine 1863 Meermann, Heinrich

Ruewe, Anna Angela 1751 2 fevereiro 1760

Ruewe, Anna Catharina Niehaus, Johann Gerhard

Ruewe, Anna Katharina 17 outubro 1759 21 dezembro 1759

Ruewe, Anna Katherina Nieske, Burchard

Ruewe, Anna Katherina 1740

Ruewe, Anna Marg 1754 Beckmann, Gerhard

Ruewe, Anna Maria 1737 1 maio 1807 Klostermann, Joh Rudolf

Ruewe, Anna Maria 1753 3 janeiro 1754

Ruewe, Anna Maria 31 dezembro 1753

Ruewe, Anna Maria 1784 Voet, Theodor

Ruewe, Anna Maria Bernardina 1825

Ruewe, Anna Maria Elizabeth 1818 18 novembro 1880 Bakum, Lohe, Oldenburg,
Germany Willenborg, Bernard Heinrich

Ruewe, Anna Maria Gertrud 1829 9 fevereiro 1830

Ruewe, Anna Maria Sophia 1831 Nieske, Joannes

Ruewe, Franz Anton 1790

Ruewe, Gertrud 1716

Ruewe, Herm Bernard 6 maio 1756 26 dezembro 1760

Ruewe, Herman 1742 13 fevereiro 1741/42

Ruewe, Herman Heinrich 4 agosto 1735 10 abril 1781

Ruewe, Hermannus 26 fevereiro 1709/10 Meyer, Angela

Ruewe, Joh Bernard 18 agosto 1739 2 maio 1797 Schürmann, Anna Katherina

Ruewe, Joh Bernard 1786 16 janeiro 1837 Heuerman, Maria Elizabeth??????

Ruewe, Joh Bernard Josef 1822

Ruewe, Joh Caspar 12 junho 1746 6 junho 1778????????

Ruewe, Joh Heinrich 1736

Ruewe, Joh Heinrich 1749 27 abril 1779

Ruewe, Joh Heinrich 1757 2 dezembro 1790

Ruewe, Joh Heinrich Josef 1820

Ruewe, Joh Hermann 1761

Ruewe, Joh Otto 1763 14 março 1764

Ruewe, Joh. Heinrich 1719 Niemann, Margaretha

Ruewe, Katharina Elizabeth 20 fevereiro 1743/44 Vestrup 26 dezembro 1827
Altersschwache Hawickhorst, Georg Heinrich

Ruewe, Maria Angela 1779 Ostendorf, Johan Gerhard

Ruewe, Maria Elizabeth 1777

Ruewe, Maria Elizabeth 1785

Ruewe, Maria Gertrud 12 fevereiro 1828

Ruewe, Theodore Margaretha

Rüve, Hermann 1673 3 dezembro 1723 Meerman, Anna

Ruwe, Anna Katharina 1713

Sandt, Maria Elis 1776 1 fevereiro 1859 Vestrup Hawickhorst, Joh. Hermann


Family Names that are included in our  Family Tree.

Barlage?*** Bekebrock Beverburg Beymoor Boeckers** Bokern Braegel Branlage??* Brogel

Buckeole Calvelage Cruempelmann Dieckman Dinkgreve Dinkgrevesche Dultmeyer

Eggerman  Evers Fleck Friehling Gerdhabing

Gerding Habing Hackstedt Hagestette Hawickhorst Hellebusch Hermrolfes

Hoedebecke Hoenkamp Hoenkamp Hoinkomp Hölterman Holthaus Honkomp

Hopmann Hoppe**Ivercamp Jansen**Johans Kaetmann Klocker Korfage Krimpelfort

Krogman Kruempelmann Laufer Lübbecken Meerman Meyer** Minckenberg Mohre Moore

Morman** Niehaus**Nieman Nienkerken Nordlohne

Nortloh Nortlohn Orde Ovelgönne Pohlmann*** Purhorn Püttman Quade*** Quatmann***

Rebel Reitman Roleffs Ruewe **Rüve**Sande??*r Sandman??* Sandt**?

Schulte*** Sieverding*** Stukerborg Stüve Taphorn Thamann Thole Tieman

Tombroegel Trineke Uptmor Viek von der Helde  Vortman Waschefort

Wenstrup Wichelman***? Willenbring Windhaus Zerhusen

Frei Mauro



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RE: [HN] Emigration archives for Westfalen

Date: 2005/11/09 10:20:47
From: Ruppert, Max <ruppertm(a)SABIC.com>

Hallo Udo,

Thanx a lot for the valuable input to my search. This is part of what
makes genealogy such a wonderful undertaking, the way people are willing
to help another.

Have a great day, and let's try to make a difference in the world around
us today. 

Max Ruppert (Max) 


-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces+ruppertm=sabic.com(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces+ruppertm=sabic.com(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf
Of Udo Majewski
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 5:43 PM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration archives for Westfalen

Hallo Barbara, hallo Max,

    there are two emigration archives in Westfalia I know:

http://www.lippe-auswanderer.de especially from emegrates out of
Principality of Lippe and

http://amerikanetz.de/  Westfalian network of  America-Emigration since
XXIX. century.

Both in German an English language.

Good luck and 'have a good hunt'
yours
Udo (Majewski)



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From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration archives for Westfalen


> Hello Max,
>
>         The emigration records we have been searching are only from
the
> former kingdom of Hannover.
>
> Maybe you can find something here that could be helpful:
>
> http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/emigration.html
> scroll down to Nordrhein-Westfalen
>
>       The LDS has some emigration records on microfilm.
>
> Good luck,
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> on 11/6/05 2:13 AM, Ruppert, Max at ruppertm(a)SABIC.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Barbara,
> >
> > I've seen your conversation with Bob regarding the records of people
who
have
> > emigrated form Germany, and that there were three places where they
could have
> > gone to apply for emigration. . . .
>


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[HN] Zeitweise Abmeldung

Date: 2005/11/09 11:27:33
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Listenmitglieder!

Ich bin einige Zeit abwesend.Wegen der z.Zt.sagenhaften"Flut" von Mails
befürchte ich eine Überlastung meines Postkastens und habe mich deshalb
vorübergehend abgemeldet.

Gruß Jürgen
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[HN] Ortssuche

Date: 2005/11/09 12:09:09
From: Christina und Horst Rauschenberg <ChrAnHo(a)t-online.de>

Guten Tag.
Ich habe folgende Angabe:
Eduard Dimke, Maurer, * Splorkenhauland oder Glockenhauland 7.12.1856, (beide Orte nicht im Ortsverzeichnis von 1900).. Ich habe den Geburtsort so geschrieben, wie ich es gelesen habe. Kann jemand den Ort identifizieren ?
Vielen Dank und freundliche Grüße
Horst Rauschenberg


[HN] Re: Uhrmacher Occupation

Date: 2005/11/09 12:47:21
From: jmbtwb <jmbtwb(a)isd.net>

Paul,
I have a similar problem with a great great grandfather that appears in Lüneburg. My greatest clue came from finding the Guild records for the town. If you have not already done so, check to see if there are Guild records for Hannover for the period of time your ancestor lived in Hannover. For me, the Guild records for Lüneburg stated when my ancestor registered with the Guild upon arriving in Lüneburg as a cabinetmaker and the town he had come from! The Guild records also had recorded his first marriage to the daughter of the master or head cabinet maker in the Lüneburg guild. I am not certain if the craft of Urhmacher would be included in the guild, but it would be worth a try. If the records have not been microfilmed, perhaps you could write or e-mail the Hannover archive to see if such records exist that you could have researched. For me, this was a fantastic clue to a long-time dead end because my ancestor simply appeared in Lüneburg, with no past family records! So, where do you begin looking when that happens!!
Good luck in your search.
If you find good records for the guilds of Hannover and Celle, I would be interested in the information. I am currently working on another family line, but hope to return to the Hannover and Celle area this winter where another branch of my family lived. I would also be interested in hearing from anyone else that is familiar with guild records and what other information they might contain. The guild records that the LDS church microfilmed for Lüneburg were like index cards. I would be interested in knowing if the Lüneburg archive would have more detailed records that the cards refer to. I think that Guild Records can be a valuable resource that is too often ignored or not known about.

Joanne Becker


Re: [HN] Ortssuche

Date: 2005/11/09 12:55:55
From: Harald Kemm <harald.kemm(a)freenet.de>

----- Original Message -----
Christina und Horst Rauschenberg  <ChrAnHo(a)t-online.de>


>Guten Tag.
>Ich habe folgende Angabe:
>Eduard Dimke, Maurer, * Splorkenhauland oder Glockenhauland 7.12.1856,
>(beide Orte nicht im Ortsverzeichnis von 1900)..
>Ich habe den Geburtsort so geschrieben, wie ich es gelesen habe. Kann
jemand
>den Ort identifizieren ?
>Vielen Dank und freundliche Grüße
>Horst Rauschenberg


Moin Horst,

im Ortsverzeichnis von 1900/01 habe ich   Hauland   gefunden.

Hauland, Ortsteil, Gemeinde Wilhelmsburg, Hannover.

Eine Einwohnerzahl zu dem OT. wird nicht angegeben. Ich schau mal auf meiner
Topographischen Karte von Niedersachsen ob ich da ggf. ein Flurstück oder
ähnliches finde.

Ich melde mich bei Dir wieder, Gruß

Harald


[HN] Ahnensuche Detjen und Prigge

Date: 2005/11/09 13:22:56
From: Bernhard Detjen <b_detjen(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo Listenmitglieder,

bin neu in dieser Mailingliste und habe gleich
Wünsche.
Ich befasse mich seit rund drei Jahren mit der
Erforschung der Namen Detjen und Prigge zwischen Weser
und Elbe. Mit Angeheirateten und Kindern habe ich
inzwischen sehr viele Namen zusammengetragen,
teilweise zurück bis ins Jahr 1400.
Mein Vater Heinrich Detjen stammt aus Gross Meckelsen,
Nähe Sittensen und seine und damit natürlich auch
meine Ahnen kommen aus Klein Meckelsen, Ippensen,
Vierden und Marschhorst.
Meine Mutter ist eine geborene Prigge und ihr Vater
Hermann Prigge kommt aus Ottensen, Nähe Buxtehude.
Verheiratet war Hermann Prigge mit Wilhelmine Detjen
aus Halvesbostel. Die Eltern von Wilhelmine Detjen
waren Johann Hinrich Detjen aus Bockhorst und
Catharina Klindworth aus Halvesbostel. Der weitere Weg
zurück führt nach Hollenstedt und Tostedt.

Alleine das Vorkommen desselben Familienanmens in
"beiden Linien" reizt zum Weitermachen. Ob wohl mit
Hilfe dieser Anfrage etwas Licht ins Dunkel kommt?
Bin für jede Hilfe dankbar.
 
Herzliche Grüsse
Bernhard (Detjen)



	

	
		
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RE: [HN] Re: Uhrmacher Occupation

Date: 2005/11/09 13:30:10
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Paul,

I was reading your post. Supposedly my GGF was a schifzimmer or something like that...a ship carpenter. His son my grandpa became a machinist.

Grandpa Sahs had a tatoo of an anchor on his forearm. He also knew how to build funiture..but his trade was in metals.

I have a photo of some people taken in Luneburg circa 1952..and I wnder if Luneburg is near Bergedorf, Hamburg.

I don't think those places are Hannove though.

Barbie


From: jmbtwb <jmbtwb(a)isd.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Re: Uhrmacher Occupation
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 05:45:59 -0600

Paul,
I have a similar problem with a great great grandfather that appears in Lüneburg. My greatest clue came from finding the Guild records for the town. If you have not already done so, check to see if there are Guild records for Hannover for the period of time your ancestor lived in Hannover. For me, the Guild records for Lüneburg stated when my ancestor registered with the Guild upon arriving in Lüneburg as a cabinetmaker and the town he had come from! The Guild records also had recorded his first marriage to the daughter of the master or head cabinet maker in the Lüneburg guild. I am not certain if the craft of Urhmacher would be included in the guild, but it would be worth a try. If the records have not been microfilmed, perhaps you could write or e-mail the Hannover archive to see if such records exist that you could have researched. For me, this was a fantastic clue to a long-time dead end because my ancestor simply appeared in Lüneburg, with no past family records! So, where do you begin looking when that happens!!
Good luck in your search.
If you find good records for the guilds of Hannover and Celle, I would be interested in the information. I am currently working on another family line, but hope to return to the Hannover and Celle area this winter where another branch of my family lived. I would also be interested in hearing from anyone else that is familiar with guild records and what other information they might contain. The guild records that the LDS church microfilmed for Lüneburg were like index cards. I would be interested in knowing if the Lüneburg archive would have more detailed records that the cards refer to. I think that Guild Records can be a valuable resource that is too often ignored or not known about.

Joanne Becker

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[HN] Latein-Hilfe bitte

Date: 2005/11/09 13:44:55
From: Falk Liebezeit <Falk.Liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

Liebe Mit-Leser  ! 

Als Nicht-Lateiner habe ich Schwierigkeiten mit solchen Texten und habe zwei Latein-Lehrer um Hilfe gebeten. 

Hier kamen die beiden nicht weiter: 

ad vicem alicuius = in Vertretung von jemandem (Habel/Groebel)

Die Wendung kommt haeufig in Karolinger- bzw. Ottonen-Urkunden vor
z. B. "Hildiboltus Episcopus Cancellarius ad vicem Willigisi Archicapellani recognovi (im Jahre 890).

Sollte in all den Faellen eine Vertretung noetig gewesen sein ? 

Dr. Hans Gerke in Chronik der Gemeinde Drebber, Schroedersche Buchdruckerei Diepholz 1979, S. 19 uebersetzt die Urkunde Kaiser Ottos vom 22.09.980 (Staatsarchiv Marburg, Bestand M I Hersfeld 980, Sept. 22.)
mit "unter Gegenzeichnung des"

Diese Uebersetzung scheint sinnvoll, aber kann "ad vicem" diese Beseutung haben ? 

Mit Dank im Voraus 

Falk Liebezeit 

Stadt - und Kreisarchiv Diepholz


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Re: [HN] Latein-Hilfe bitte

Date: 2005/11/09 14:15:33
From: fo singer <fosinger(a)aon.at>


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Cc: <Falk.Liebezeit(a)Diepholz.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: [HN] Latein-Hilfe bitte


Liebe Mit-Leser  !

Als Nicht-Lateiner habe ich Schwierigkeiten mit solchen Texten und habe zwei Latein-Lehrer um Hilfe gebeten.

Hier kamen die beiden nicht weiter:

ad vicem alicuius = in Vertretung von jemandem (Habel/Groebel)

Die Wendung kommt haeufig in Karolinger- bzw. Ottonen-Urkunden vor
z. B. "Hildiboltus Episcopus Cancellarius ad vicem Willigisi Archicapellani recognovi (im Jahre 890).

Sollte in all den Faellen eine Vertretung noetig gewesen sein ?

Dr. Hans Gerke in Chronik der Gemeinde Drebber, Schroedersche Buchdruckerei Diepholz 1979, S. 19 uebersetzt die Urkunde Kaiser Ottos vom 22.09.980 (Staatsarchiv Marburg, Bestand M I Hersfeld 980, Sept. 22.)
mit "unter Gegenzeichnung des"

Diese Uebersetzung scheint sinnvoll, aber kann "ad vicem" diese Beseutung haben ?

Mit Dank im Voraus

Falk Liebezeit

hier eine Möglichkeit aus dem Langenscheidt

vice u. vicem Adv. <vicis>

1. bei Verben der Gemütsstimmung wegen jds./einer Sache, mit Rücksicht auf jdn./etw., alicuius/alicuius rei; rei publicae vicem saepe hoc doleo ich bedauere dies oft wegen des Staates;

2. nach Art von jdm., wie jd./etw., alicuius/alicuius rei; Sardanapali vicem mori wie Sardanapal sterben;

3. statt, anstatt, alicuius/alicuius rei jds./einer Sache.

freundliche Grüße aus dem Kleinen Walsertal

Franz-Otto Singer



[HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/09 15:10:59
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Hi Art!

There were different emails with an incorrect definition of "Meyer". The writers should have quoted their source.
In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the old Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not "Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical) landowner, who managed the main farm, later the managers and landholders of smaller farms. They had the supervision over the contribution of the other farmers, later on hereditary tenants. Many compositians: Linsen-, Haber-, Gerstenmaier; Bichel-, Loch-, Pitz-, Lettenmaier; Brink-, Brock-, Lohmeyer; ... 

Please smooth my 300 words international airport English! And have mercy on me, if there is a misunderstanding!

Regards from Germany

Klaus (Stahl)
  
Searching for:
BENNMANN, OPPERMANN, BEUKMANN, HILDEBRANDT, DOBERKOW, MEIDING, MARTIN all from Celle
UETZMANN from Lachtehausen
OPPERMANN from Heinum 


> I thought "Meier" meant "dairy farmer".  I assumed the different spellings
> (Mayer, Meyer) were the same.  Is this not correct?


Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/09 18:26:50
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

Hi Klaus,

I am sorry to be dingy, but are saying that Meyer's distributed the land?

Michelle
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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:09 AM
Subject: [HN] Meyer


Hi Art!

There were different emails with an incorrect definition of "Meyer". The writers should have quoted their source.
In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the old Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not "Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical) landowner, who managed the main farm, later the managers and landholders of smaller farms. They had the supervision over the contribution of the other farmers, later on hereditary tenants. Many compositians: Linsen-, Haber-, Gerstenmaier; Bichel-, Loch-, Pitz-, Lettenmaier; Brink-, Brock-, Lohmeyer; ...

Please smooth my 300 words international airport English! And have mercy on me, if there is a misunderstanding!

Regards from Germany

Klaus (Stahl)

Searching for:
BENNMANN, OPPERMANN, BEUKMANN, HILDEBRANDT, DOBERKOW, MEIDING, MARTIN all from Celle
UETZMANN from Lachtehausen
OPPERMANN from Heinum


I thought "Meier" meant "dairy farmer".  I assumed the different spellings
(Mayer, Meyer) were the same.  Is this not correct?

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AW: [HN] Ahnensuche Detjen und Prigge

Date: 2005/11/09 18:55:35
From: Budler <UBudler(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Bernhard,
welches Bockhorst ist gemeint. Um welche Zeit handelt es sich?
Es gibt nämlich auch hier bei Achim ein Bockhorst.
Grüße Uli aus Achim

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Bernhard Detjen
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2005 13:23
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Ahnensuche Detjen und Prigge


Hallo Listenmitglieder,

bin neu in dieser Mailingliste und habe gleich
Wünsche.
Ich befasse mich seit rund drei Jahren mit der
Erforschung der Namen Detjen und Prigge zwischen Weser
und Elbe. Mit Angeheirateten und Kindern habe ich
inzwischen sehr viele Namen zusammengetragen,
teilweise zurück bis ins Jahr 1400.
Mein Vater Heinrich Detjen stammt aus Gross Meckelsen,
Nähe Sittensen und seine und damit natürlich auch
meine Ahnen kommen aus Klein Meckelsen, Ippensen,
Vierden und Marschhorst.
Meine Mutter ist eine geborene Prigge und ihr Vater
Hermann Prigge kommt aus Ottensen, Nähe Buxtehude.
Verheiratet war Hermann Prigge mit Wilhelmine Detjen
aus Halvesbostel. Die Eltern von Wilhelmine Detjen
waren Johann Hinrich Detjen aus Bockhorst und
Catharina Klindworth aus Halvesbostel. Der weitere Weg
zurück führt nach Hollenstedt und Tostedt.

Alleine das Vorkommen desselben Familienanmens in
"beiden Linien" reizt zum Weitermachen. Ob wohl mit
Hilfe dieser Anfrage etwas Licht ins Dunkel kommt?
Bin für jede Hilfe dankbar.

Herzliche Grüsse
Bernhard (Detjen)







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[HN] Ahnensuche Detjen und Prigge

Date: 2005/11/09 19:10:46
From: Bernhard Detjen <b_detjen(a)yahoo.de>

Liebe Listies,

ich schrieb heute mittag und habe einen Nachtrag dazu:

Hallo Listenmitglieder,

bin neu in dieser Mailingliste und habe gleich
Wünsche.
Ich befasse mich seit rund drei Jahren mit der
Erforschung der Namen Detjen und Prigge zwischen Weser
und Elbe. Mit Angeheirateten und Kindern habe ich
inzwischen sehr viele Namen zusammengetragen,
teilweise zurück bis ins Jahr 1400.
Mein Vater Heinrich Detjen stammt aus Gross Meckelsen,
Nähe Sittensen und seine und damit natürlich auch
meine Ahnen kommen aus Klein Meckelsen, Ippensen,
Vierden und Marschhorst.
Meine Mutter ist eine geborene Prigge und ihr Vater
Hermann Prigge kommt aus Ottensen, Nähe Buxtehude.
Verheiratet war Hermann Prigge mit Wilhelmine Detjen
aus Halvesbostel. Die Eltern von Wilhelmine Detjen
waren Johann Hinrich Detjen aus Bockhorst und
Catharina Klindworth aus Halvesbostel. Der weitere Weg
zurück führt nach Hollenstedt und Tostedt.

Alleine das Vorkommen desselben Familienanmens in
"beiden Linien" reizt zum Weitermachen. Ob wohl mit
Hilfe dieser Anfrage etwas Licht ins Dunkel kommt?
Bin für jede Hilfe dankbar.
 
Herzliche Grüsse
Bernhard (Detjen)
--------------------------
Nachtrag hierzu: Das Bockhorst liegt im Kreis Stade in
der Nähe von Halvesbostel, Sauensiek

Würde mich über Antworten zu meiner Anfrage sehr
freuen.

Grüsse von
Bernhard (Detjen)




	

	
		
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Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/09 19:17:24
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Hi Michelle,
no, they didn't distribute the land. Bahlow writes in his book "Beauftragter". Perhaps are the words "proxy", "mandatory" or "authorized agent" better.
Hope, that you will understand the meaning better now.

With regards

Klaus


"Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com> schrieb:
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> I am sorry to be dingy, but are saying that Meyer's distributed the land?
> 


Re: [HN] Ahnensuche Detjen und Prigge

Date: 2005/11/09 21:08:36
From: Heran60 <Heran60(a)aol.com>

Hallo Bernhard,
 
kannst du bitte den Zeitraum genauer eingrenzen. Ich habe z.B. im 19.  
Jahrhundert PRIGGE und DETJEN in Ahlerstedt
 
Freundliche Grüße aus Eckernförde
Hermann  

Ich suche  Brütt in Deutschland und in denUSA


Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/09 21:17:52
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hi Klaus,
my source was my brain.
Thank you for help,
Werner

> Hi Art!

> There were different emails with an incorrect definition of "Meyer". The
> writers should have quoted their source.
> In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
> Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in
> Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the old
> Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not
> "Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical)
> landowner, who managed the main farm, later the managers and landholders
> of smaller farms. They had the supervision over the contribution of the
> other farmers, later on hereditary tenants. Many compositians: Linsen-,
> Haber-, Gerstenmaier; Bichel-, Loch-, Pitz-, Lettenmaier; Brink-, Brock-,
> Lohmeyer; ...

> Please smooth my 300 words international airport English! And have mercy
> on me, if there is a misunderstanding!

> Regards from Germany

> Klaus (Stahl)

> Searching for:
> BENNMANN, OPPERMANN, BEUKMANN, HILDEBRANDT, DOBERKOW, MEIDING, MARTIN all
> from Celle
> UETZMANN from Lachtehausen
> OPPERMANN from Heinum


>> I thought "Meier" meant "dairy farmer".  I assumed the different
>> spellings
>> (Mayer, Meyer) were the same.  Is this not correct?

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Re: [HN] Bassum

Date: 2005/11/09 23:36:18
From: Catherine Butler <cathie(a)cbutler.fsnet.co.uk>

Wilfried,
Sorry, but can't remember if I replied to you or not..
If I did not I would like to thank you for the information that you sent.
Cathie Butler (nee Haake)

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bassum


"Catherine Butler" <cathie(a)cbutler.fsnet.co.uk> schrieb:
> sent wrong subject heading last time
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > Can anyone tell me if Bassum is or was in the Hannover area.
> > Cathie Butler (nee Haake)
> > ----- Original Message -----

Hello Cathie,

Bassum was in the former Kingdom of Hannover and is now in Niedersachsen, It
is about 85 km north-west of Hannover and about 25 km south of Bremen.

Regards
Wilfried (Petersen)

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[HN] (no subject)

Date: 2005/11/10 03:01:16
From: Sharon von Fange <sharon(a)vonfange.com>

Hello,

Is the Hamburg passenger lists different from the Germans to America series?

Sharon


[HN] RE: Meyer

Date: 2005/11/10 03:15:19
From: Art Dohrman <art.dohrman(a)comcast.net>

Michelle, 
If I understand Klaus correctly, the Meyer was a manager or overseer for the
noble or church landowner.  He made sure that the peasants (for example, my
ancestors!) were productive, took care of the land, and returned appropriate
rent to the owners.  He may have assigned tenants to various plots, as well.

A few of the variants Klaus mentioned seem to refer to various crops:
Linsen=lentils, Gersten=barley; others to types of land: Brock=pieces or
parcels, Brink=marginal or at the edge.

Also, Klaus, entschuldigen Sie sich nicht!  Ihre Englisch ist überhaupt
besser als mein Deutsch!  Vielen dank!

Art

-----Original Message-----

From: "Michelle Sims" <michelle(a)uceit.com>
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>


Hi Klaus,

I am sorry to be dingy, but are saying that Meyer's distributed the land?

Michelle
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From: "Klaus Stahl" <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:09 AM
Subject: [HN] Meyer


Hi Art!

There were different emails with an incorrect definition of "Meyer". The 
writers should have quoted their source.
In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in 
Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the old 
Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not 
"Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical) 
landowner, who managed the main farm, later the managers and landholders of 
smaller farms. They had the supervision over the contribution of the other 
farmers, later on hereditary tenants. Many compositians: Linsen-, Haber-, 
Gerstenmaier; Bichel-, Loch-, Pitz-, Lettenmaier; Brink-, Brock-, Lohmeyer; 
...

Please smooth my 300 words international airport English! And have mercy on 
me, if there is a misunderstanding!

Regards from Germany

Klaus (Stahl)

Searching for:
BENNMANN, OPPERMANN, BEUKMANN, HILDEBRANDT, DOBERKOW, MEIDING, MARTIN all 
from Celle
UETZMANN from Lachtehausen
OPPERMANN from Heinum


> I thought "Meier" meant "dairy farmer".  I assumed the different spellings
> (Mayer, Meyer) were the same.  Is this not correct?



Re: [HN] RE: Meyer

Date: 2005/11/10 03:32:23
From: Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>

All of this talk of the Meyers reminds me of a story my Great Grandfather (George Henry Meyer) used to tell that was remembered to me by my mother a number of years ago. As a bit of background, I grew up in SE Minnesota in an area where about 50 percent of the people were either named Meyer or were related to someone who was.

Seems that in Germany, field hands or hired men on the farm were called Meyers. Whenever a farmer's daughter had a child out of wedlock, the doctor while filling out the birth certificate would ask who the father was. He was answered, "Uch, It was one of the Meyers." Hence the child's last name was Meyer, and that's how there got to be so many of them.

Source -- George Henry Meyer of Bornsen Germany, then Eitzen Minnesota, 1864--1936

(Hope no one feels offended or anything by this, it's just meant as a bit of fun. The story has come to mind several times while reading about the Meyer names)



Re: [HN] Germans to America

Date: 2005/11/10 04:47:55
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Sharon,

    This gives a little information on the Germans to America books.  It
would include Hamburg passenger lists, but the others lists as well. But,
once again, many people are not listed.

http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/gtoa.html

Barbara


on 11/9/05 7:02 PM, Sharon von Fange at sharon(a)vonfange.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Is the Hamburg passenger lists different from the Germans to America series?
> 
> Sharon
> 
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Re: [HN] Germans to America

Date: 2005/11/10 05:17:30
From: Sharon von Fange <sharon(a)vonfange.com>

Thanks, Barbara.

At 09:47 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote:
Sharon,

    This gives a little information on the Germans to America books.  It
would include Hamburg passenger lists, but the others lists as well. But,
once again, many people are not listed.

http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/gtoa.html

Barbara


on 11/9/05 7:02 PM, Sharon von Fange at sharon(a)vonfange.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Is the Hamburg passenger lists different from the Germans to America series?
>
> Sharon
>
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[HN] Re: Meyer

Date: 2005/11/10 05:17:42
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Liebe Listers:   Klaus is absolutely right.  In the olden times a Meyer was the steward or manager of an estate (Gute) owned by nobility (often absentee-landlords).  Often but not always it was a hereditary position.  Thus it made him an important person in the village.  The other degrees he mentioned are also correct - all of these tenants of the "manor house".  A Halbkoetner was the lowest who at least had a little piece of  land to farm;  a Brinksitzer had barely that, often lived on the "brink" - the edge of the village or estate.  Hope this clarifies the Meyer derivation.   After the agricultural reforms of the mid-19th Cent, many of these Meyers were given, awarded or were able to buy the farms they had been managing for centuries.   Jane


Jane Swan
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Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

[HN] Re: Latein-Hilfe Bitte

Date: 2005/11/10 05:35:53
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Liebe Falk Liebezeit:  Entschuldigen  Sie, Bitte, wenn ich auf englisch Ihren Latein übersetzen.  You have been so helpful to so many, perhaps I can help you.  "Gegenzeichnung" ist nich recht.  In vicem allicuius  means In place of (anstatt) someone.  The longer sentence means   "I have recognized Hildebolt Bishop of the Chancellory  in place of Willigis the Archchaplain".
Wenn Sie nicht  mein english verstehen können, versuche ich auf deutsch zu übersetzen.    Jane


Jane Swan
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Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

[HN] Meyer once more

Date: 2005/11/10 11:07:07
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Hi together!


> If I understand Klaus correctly, the Meyer was a manager or overseer for the
> noble or church landowner.  He made sure that the peasants (for example, my
> ancestors!) were productive, took care of the land, and returned appropriate
> rent to the owners.  

That's right! He had the collecting power! 


>He may have assigned tenants to various plots, as well.

No! The landowner did it!


> Also, Klaus, entschuldigen Sie sich nicht!  Ihre Englisch ist überhaupt
> besser als mein Deutsch!  Vielen dank!


Art, thanks for the compliment. But I know my limit, because it's 55 years ago that I learnt English. Much got lost by the time and the remaining part rusty!  :-)

Because you take so much interest on Meyer, here is more about Meiers!

Here in Westfalia we have the "Sattelmeier Höfe", Saddle Myer courts. The owners belong to the "farmer nobility" as we ironically say with a twinkle in our eye. The owners have names like "Meier zu Bentrup", "Meier zu Schildesche", "Meier zu Eissen" and so on. 
Let's go back into the Early Middleage in our mind!
In Germany lived not more than 2 or 3 Mio people, there were few towns and the roads were in a very bad condition. The roads in the Roman Empire - 1000 years ago were much better! The king/emperor had no residence. He was a "Reise-Kaiser", tavelling through his country and residing in the towns or on the courts ("Hof halten" we say). What he needed on his journey were "horse-tels" (nowadays we say motels or trucker stops). The motels of that time were the Sattelmeierhöfe. The Sattelmeier had to feed the king, his followers and the horses. Horses could be changed. Because of that the Sattelmeier was free from taxes.
Later on there was a time the common farmers were not free ( you find in the churchbooks the word "untertan"). If these persons wanted to marry, they needed the permission of the landowner they belonged to. The landowner had the "ius primae noctis", the right of the first night. May be that the Sattelmeier had to "assist", if the landowner was to old or had no interest. You know the difference between choice and duty?  Lila, not the farmhand and dairy farmer was the father, the landowner was! Perhaps Meyer, his assistant. In "Ostelbien", the region east of the river Elbe (Mecklenburg, where I come from, Pommerania and Prussia) we said:" We have blue blood in our veins - because of the "ius primae noctis"-  and the nobilities are our relatives, degenerated and impoverished". ;-)
A last word to the descendants of the Sattelmeiers. If there is no male devisee, but a female, the name of the court/farm would die out. To hinder that the groom changes/changed his name. In the churchbooks you read: " Wilhelm Horstmann genannt (named) Meier zu Rhaden".

Hope that I didn't bore you!

Regards from Bielefeld

Klaus (Stahl)
 



 




Re: [HN] Meyer once more

Date: 2005/11/10 15:16:20
From: Sharon von Fange <sharon(a)vonfange.com>

Thanks, Klaus, the info on Meiers was interesting and informative.

Sharon

At 04:05 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote:
Hi together!


> If I understand Klaus correctly, the Meyer was a manager or overseer for the
> noble or church landowner.  He made sure that the peasants (for example, my
> ancestors!) were productive, took care of the land, and returned appropriate
> rent to the owners.

That's right! He had the collecting power!


>He may have assigned tenants to various plots, as well.

No! The landowner did it!


> Also, Klaus, entschuldigen Sie sich nicht!  Ihre Englisch ist überhaupt
> besser als mein Deutsch!  Vielen dank!


Art, thanks for the compliment. But I know my limit, because it's 55 years ago that I learnt English. Much got lost by the time and the remaining part rusty! :-)

Because you take so much interest on Meyer, here is more about Meiers!

Here in Westfalia we have the "Sattelmeier Höfe", Saddle Myer courts. The owners belong to the "farmer nobility" as we ironically say with a twinkle in our eye. The owners have names like "Meier zu Bentrup", "Meier zu Schildesche", "Meier zu Eissen" and so on.
Let's go back into the Early Middleage in our mind!
In Germany lived not more than 2 or 3 Mio people, there were few towns and the roads were in a very bad condition. The roads in the Roman Empire - 1000 years ago were much better! The king/emperor had no residence. He was a "Reise-Kaiser", tavelling through his country and residing in the towns or on the courts ("Hof halten" we say). What he needed on his journey were "horse-tels" (nowadays we say motels or trucker stops). The motels of that time were the Sattelmeierhöfe. The Sattelmeier had to feed the king, his followers and the horses. Horses could be changed. Because of that the Sattelmeier was free from taxes. Later on there was a time the common farmers were not free ( you find in the churchbooks the word "untertan"). If these persons wanted to marry, they needed the permission of the landowner they belonged to. The landowner had the "ius primae noctis", the right of the first night. May be that the Sattelmeier had to "assist", if the landowner was to old or had no interest. You know the difference between choice and duty? Lila, not the farmhand and dairy farmer was the father, the landowner was! Perhaps Meyer, his assistant. In "Ostelbien", the region east of the river Elbe (Mecklenburg, where I come from, Pommerania and Prussia) we said:" We have blue blood in our veins - because of the "ius primae noctis"- and the nobilities are our relatives, degenerated and impoverished". ;-) A last word to the descendants of the Sattelmeiers. If there is no male devisee, but a female, the name of the court/farm would die out. To hinder that the groom changes/changed his name. In the churchbooks you read: " Wilhelm Horstmann genannt (named) Meier zu Rhaden".

Hope that I didn't bore you!

Regards from Bielefeld

Klaus (Stahl)








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[HN] Familiennamen-Link: Huber

Date: 2005/11/10 15:37:12
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo in die Runden,

dies ist nicht der gewohnte Link, der meist am Freitag kommt. Heute habe ich
einen Artikel in der "Zeit" gefunden, der besonders den bayrischen Lesern
gewidmet ist:

http://www.zeit.de/2003/39/Huber_Lang

Mancher wird ihn schon kennen - er stammt aus Anno 2003. Aktueller wird's
morgen wieder.

Mit besten Grüssen

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  peter(a)pauling-sp.de
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[HN] Ahlers aus Döriloh, Ksp. Varel

Date: 2005/11/10 19:11:29
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Liste, 

ich suche Angaben für folgende Person:

Heinrich Daniel Ahlers

Vater von:

Johann Christian Conrad Ahlers *1797 in Döriloh, Ksp. Varel

dieser war verheiratet mit 

Henriette Caroline Wilhelmine Goosmann * 29.09.1823 in Lingen

Ich bin über jeden Hinweis dankbar und sag auch schon mal Danke..:-))

Viele Grüße

Heike (Bund)

[HN] Alte-Müller aus Hilter

Date: 2005/11/10 19:15:06
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>

Hat jemand zufällig Daten von einem

Davis Alte-Müller aus Hilter, ev. luth., Müller und Gastwirt und hat sich 1781 als Bürger in Lingen einschreiben lassen ?

Er war verheiratet mit 

Gertrud Brand aus Grumsmühlen

Vielen Dank und viele Grüße

Heike (Bund)

[HN] Anna (Maria) Elisabeth Anters aus Schwagsdorf

Date: 2005/11/10 19:17:25
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>

Dann suche ich noch die eltern von

Anna (Maria) Elisabeth Anters *28.07.1827 in Schwagsdorf + vor 1872 in Amerika 1869 ausgewandert

sie war verheiratet mit 

Johann Georg Overhaus *24.07.1839 in Lingen, Arbeiter und auch 1869 ausgewandert.

Vielen Dank und viele Grüße

Heike (Bund)

RE: [HN] passenger lists

Date: 2005/11/10 21:31:53
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>



> [Original Message]
> From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>
> To: hannover-l <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
 > Date: 8/30/2004 8:46:21 AM
> Subject: [HN] passenger lists
>
> 
>    Dear Members of the Hannover List.
> 
> 
> 
>    For some time I have been searching for passenger records for two
>    families from Hannover.  I will list them here and provide the
>    information I presently have.
> 
> 
> 
>    (1) Juergen Heinrich Grasmann (also known as Christoph Grassmann) and
>    his wife Sophie Dorothea Meyer (Mejer).  They came to America about
>    1855-1858.  They had three children: Fredricka, Catherina, and
>    Heinrich.  Birth dates and marriage records are in the church books of
>    Suderburg.  They lived in the village of Oldendorf.
> 
> 
> 
>    (2) Johann (Heinrich ?) Meyer from the village of Hoesseringen.  He,
>    his wife (Marie Dorothee) and a son (Heinrich Wilhelm or Heinrich
>    Herman Meyer) came to America in 1854-1855 and lived in Chicago for
>    three years before migrating to Minnesota.
> 
> 
> 
>    Thank you for any assistance.
> 
> 
> 
>    Edward H. Meyer, g g grandson of these people.
> 
> 
> 
>    --- Edward Meyer
> 
>    --- [1]meyereh(a)sprintmail.com
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> 
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Re: [HN] Maurhoff and Steinkemeyer

Date: 2005/11/10 23:42:21
From: Wilfried . Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hello Paul,

"Paul N. Woessner" <paul.n.woessner(a)verizon.net> schrieb:
> I am having trouble determining where my 4-g grandfather was born.  His 
> name is Georg Friederich Mauerhoff (also spelled more recently as 
> Maurhoff).  
  
> I thought I 
> could write the church and ask them if they could check their 
> records.  Does anyone know how I could do that ?  Would they have an e-mail 
> address ?  
> 
The website of the Reformed Church in Hannover is:  www.reformiert-hannover.de ,
the E-mail address is:  hannover(a)reformiert.de

> Additional info:  Johann Diedrich was also a church elder in the Reformed 
> church in Celle.  In researching the Maurhoff name and spelling variants I 
> discovered the name "Mohrhoff" in the Hannover area.  In Georg Friederich's 
> marriage record his name was spelled in this way.  

> Also, any info on the Maurhoff name would be appreciated 

In the German telephone directory are no MAURHOF, 5 MAURHOFF (all in the south of Germany),, 10 MAUERHOF and 60 MAUERHOFF (scattered over whole Germany), 15 MOHRHOF (in Schleswig-Holstein and Hamburg) and 75 MOHRHOFF (above all in the Hannover - Minden area).

In the marriage records of the Calenberger Land (area around Hannover) I have found in 1703 a marriage of an Anthon MOHRHOFF in Grossgoltern (about 20 km west of the city of Hannover). His father was a blacksmith in Harenberg (about 5 km west of Hannover). That's the only marriage in the period 1701-1750 with a name like MOHRHOF(F) or MAU(E)RHOF(F). Also in the period from the beginning of church records until 1700 there are several marriages in this area with the name MOHRHOFF and similar, but no with MAU(E)RHOF(F).

Regards

Wilfried (Petersen) , Germany




Re: [HN] Maurhoff and Steinkemeyer

Date: 2005/11/11 00:58:58
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Paul, 
 
      You might look at this website - there are several Mohrhoffs listed
with the names you mention.  You probably know that Jürgen is another name
for George. Maybe you could write the person who posted this family.

Good luck,
Barbara 




on 11/10/05 3:00 PM, Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de at
Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de wrote:

> Hello Paul,
> 
> "Paul N. Woessner" <paul.n.woessner(a)verizon.net> schrieb:
>> I am having trouble determining where my 4-g grandfather was born.  His
>> name is Georg Friederich Mauerhoff (also spelled more recently as
>> Maurhoff).  
> 
>> I thought I 
>> could write the church and ask them if they could check their
>> records.  Does anyone know how I could do that ?  Would they have an e-mail
>> address ?  
>> 
> The website of the Reformed Church in Hannover is:  www.reformiert-hannover.de
> ,
> the E-mail address is:  hannover(a)reformiert.de
> 
>> Additional info:  Johann Diedrich was also a church elder in the Reformed
>> church in Celle.  In researching the Maurhoff name and spelling variants I
>> discovered the name "Mohrhoff" in the Hannover area.  In Georg Friederich's
>> marriage record his name was spelled in this way.
> 
>> Also, any info on the Maurhoff name would be appreciated
> 
> In the German telephone directory are no MAURHOF, 5 MAURHOFF (all in the south
> of Germany),, 10 MAUERHOF and 60 MAUERHOFF (scattered over whole Germany), 15
> MOHRHOF (in Schleswig-Holstein and Hamburg) and 75 MOHRHOFF (above all in the
> Hannover - Minden area).
> 
> In the marriage records of the Calenberger Land (area around Hannover) I have
> found in 1703 a marriage of an Anthon MOHRHOFF in Grossgoltern (about 20 km
> west of the city of Hannover). His father was a blacksmith in Harenberg (about
> 5 km west of Hannover). That's the only marriage in the period 1701-1750 with
> a name like MOHRHOF(F) or MAU(E)RHOF(F). Also in the period from the beginning
> of church records until 1700 there are several marriages in this area with the
> name MOHRHOFF and similar, but no with MAU(E)RHOF(F).
> 
> Regards
> 
> Wilfried (Petersen) , Germany
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] passenger lists

Date: 2005/11/11 01:03:31
From: Gary Stoltman <stopan(a)optonline.net>

Hi Edward:

No matches found - this is the closest. A lead?

Engel Marie Dorothee Meyer Name: Engel Marie Dorothee Meyer
           Year: 1846
           Place: America
           Family Members: Daughter Engel Marie Dorothee
           Source Publication Code: 7420.1
           Primary Immigrant: Meyer, Engel Marie Charlotte
Annotation: Schaumburg Immigrants, 1820-1914. Date and port of arrival. Place of origin, date of birth, and other genealogical information may also be provided. Source Bibliography: RIECKENBERG, HEINRICH, editor. Schaumburger Auswanderer, 1820-1914. Rinteln: Verlag C. Boesendahl, 1988 (Schaumburger Studien, 48). 535p.
           Page: 50

     -------------------------------------------------------------
     Good hunting

     Gary Stoltman
     Mercerville, NJ


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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [HN] passenger lists





[Original Message]
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>
To: hannover-l <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: 8/30/2004 8:46:21 AM
Subject: [HN] passenger lists


   Dear Members of the Hannover List.



   For some time I have been searching for passenger records for two
   families from Hannover.  I will list them here and provide the
   information I presently have.



   (1) Juergen Heinrich Grasmann (also known as Christoph Grassmann) and
   his wife Sophie Dorothea Meyer (Mejer).  They came to America about
   1855-1858.  They had three children: Fredricka, Catherina, and
   Heinrich.  Birth dates and marriage records are in the church books of
   Suderburg.  They lived in the village of Oldendorf.



   (2) Johann (Heinrich ?) Meyer from the village of Hoesseringen.  He,
   his wife (Marie Dorothee) and a son (Heinrich Wilhelm or Heinrich
   Herman Meyer) came to America in 1854-1855 and lived in Chicago for
   three years before migrating to Minnesota.



   Thank you for any assistance.



   Edward H. Meyer, g g grandson of these people.



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[HN] MICHALSKI und BLÜMER aus Hannover

Date: 2005/11/11 01:47:23
From: Jane <jane99(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

seit heute suche ich neben den Namen KUHLENKAMP und MICHALSKI auch nach
BLÜMER.

Die Eltern meines hannoverschen Urgroßvaters Robert Artur Otto MICHALSKI
waren
Emil Franz MICHALSKI und Wilhelmine Karoline Henriette BLÜMER aus
Hannover-Linden.

Grüße
Juliane




[HN] Re: Ahnensuche Detjen und Prigge

Date: 2005/11/11 08:45:13
From: Wolfgang . Schluter <Wolfgang.Schluter(a)t-online.de>

"Bernhard Detjen" <b_detjen(a)yahoo.de> schrieb:
> Liebe Listies,
Hallo Bernhard,

Ich habe Prigge-Vorfahren im Kirchspiel Tostedt. Prigge ist/war dort ein
sehr häufiger Name. Die Kirchenbücher reichen nur bis 1756 zurück. So
ist es kaum möglich herauszufinden, ob die verschiedenen Prigge-Linien
einen gemeinsamen Ursprung haben. Wir können gern unsere Daten
abgleichen.

Gruß

Wolfgang


> ich schrieb heute mittag und habe einen Nachtrag dazu:
> 
> Hallo Listenmitglieder,
> 
> bin neu in dieser Mailingliste und habe gleich
> Wünsche.
> Ich befasse mich seit rund drei Jahren mit der
> Erforschung der Namen Detjen und Prigge zwischen Weser
> und Elbe. Mit Angeheirateten und Kindern habe ich
> inzwischen sehr viele Namen zusammengetragen,
> teilweise zurück bis ins Jahr 1400.
> Mein Vater Heinrich Detjen stammt aus Gross Meckelsen,
> Nähe Sittensen und seine und damit natürlich auch
> meine Ahnen kommen aus Klein Meckelsen, Ippensen,
> Vierden und Marschhorst.
> Meine Mutter ist eine geborene Prigge und ihr Vater
> Hermann Prigge kommt aus Ottensen, Nähe Buxtehude.
> Verheiratet war Hermann Prigge mit Wilhelmine Detjen
> aus Halvesbostel. Die Eltern von Wilhelmine Detjen
> waren Johann Hinrich Detjen aus Bockhorst und
> Catharina Klindworth aus Halvesbostel. Der weitere Weg
> zurück führt nach Hollenstedt und Tostedt.
> 
> Alleine das Vorkommen desselben Familienanmens in
> "beiden Linien" reizt zum Weitermachen. Ob wohl mit
> Hilfe dieser Anfrage etwas Licht ins Dunkel kommt?
> Bin für jede Hilfe dankbar.
>  
> Herzliche Grüsse
> Bernhard (Detjen)
> --------------------------
> Nachtrag hierzu: Das Bockhorst liegt im Kreis Stade in
> der Nähe von Halvesbostel, Sauensiek
> 
> Würde mich über Antworten zu meiner Anfrage sehr
> freuen.
> 
> Grüsse von
> Bernhard (Detjen)
> 
> 
> 


[HN] Familiennamen-Link: Schavan und die Schattenmorelle

Date: 2005/11/11 10:56:49
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo in die Runden,

hier der heutige Link zu Familiennamen in der "Welt":

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/11/11/801708.html

Mit freundlichem Gruss zum Wochenende

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  peter(a)pauling-sp.de
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Gesammelte Links zu Familiennamen im GenWiki:
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/wiki/GenWiki-Aktionen/Artikel_%c3%bcber_Familiennamen_in_der_Zeitung_Welt


Re: [HN] Maurhoff and Steinkemeyer

Date: 2005/11/11 11:39:02
From: Wilfried . Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Paul N. Woessner" <paul.n.woessner(a)verizon.net> schrieb:

Hello Paul,

unfortunately in my E-mail yesterday I have forgotten the spellings MORHOF and MORHOFF. 
In the german telephone directory are 8 MORHOFF but no MORHOF.

In the marriage records mentioned yesterday there are several marriages with this spellings in the period 1701-1750, but none in the earlier time.

Regards

Wilfried (Petersen)


Re: AW: [HN] Burgdorf

Date: 2005/11/11 18:57:46
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Ruth
Did you make your visit to Holle as planned for the last week in October? If so, did you get a chance to look for Burgdorf? Let me know. Max at Pharmaxx(a)charter.net
> 
> From: Ruth.Ohlhoff(a)t-online.de
> Date: 2005/10/04 Tue PM 02:30:38 EDT
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: AW: [HN] Burgdorf
> 
> Hi Max
> 
> maybe this could be a clou for you:
> 
> I found the name BURGDORF at Holle a small village near Hildesheim. The name
> of this area is also Ambergau and my Grand-Gr-aunt Johanne Sophie Wilhelmine
> RÄKE went with her husband from Holle in 1868 to Amerika - Cape Girardeu MO.
> 
> In the last week of October I´ll spend time at Holle and have a look for
> BURGDORF.
> 
> Ruth
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Max Burgdorf
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2005 19:29
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [HN] Burgdorf
> 
> 
> Over many months I have used this webpage and the services of a professional
> German Researcher to find genealogy data about my great grandfather, JULIUS
> WILHELM BURGDORF. While I have much data on him and his descendants here in
> the USA I have only the following German information:
>   * According to information on a baptismal certificate Julius was born 'in
> Hildesheim in Hanover', no date. But from his death certificate I estimate
> his birth at 1825.
>   *He came to America on the ship Oder which departed from the port of
> Hamburg in 1859, possibly 1860.
>   *He came to New Orleans, La and lived there until his death.
>   *He married Maria Kirschbein who emigrated from Berlin at about the same
> time as Julius.
>   *I do not know his Religious affiliation although the above baptismal
> certificate was issue by the First German Protestant Church of New Orleans.
>    My professional searches include the Protestant and Catholic church
> records for that time frame in the city of Hildesheim.
>    I have learned in my research that Hildesheim is not necessarily
> exclusive to the city but also the surrounding area (county?).
>    With the prceding information can anyone tell me how to expand my search
> or give any helpful info as where to go next.
>    I am pretty old and I don't think I will live forever. If I get good data
> I would like to travel to the pertinent area.
>   Thank you for any help,
>         Max Burgdorf
>   You may also contact me at   pharmaxx(a)charter.net
> 
> 
> 
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[HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/11 20:35:16
From: Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>

I'm looking for any information on Krunkelfeld. I'm not sure that they were from Hannover, but do know that they were from Germany.

Johann and Dorothea (Schmidt) Krunkelfeld came to America ca. 1878 and settled at Eitzen, MN in Houston Co. They had at least 2 children:

August, born 1854 who married Sophia Schoh and worked for the RR in North Dakota according to a draft registration card. They had at least one child and moved back to the Eitzen, MN / New Albin, Ia area where they lived when Albert died in 1932

Anna, born 1868 in Eitzen. She married Karl Rudnick in 1886 in Eitzen, MN.
They lived near New Albin, IA where she died in 1942.
Their children were Martha (married George Solberg) Adolph (married Augusta ?) Mary or Mame (married Wm. Gaedy), and Charles who did not marry.

I would especially like any information on Johann and Dorothea, or if anyone has heard of the Krunkelfeld name.

Thanks!

Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/11 22:14:04
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Klaus,

There were different emails with an incorrect definition of "Meyer". The writers should have quoted their source.

Ich komme leider erst am Wochenende dazu, meine Mails zu lesen - deshalb diese sehr späte Antwort. Aber ich möchte Ihnen meine Qellen nicht vorenthalten:

Walter Achilles: Deutsche Agrargeschichte im Zeitalter der Reformen und der Industrialisierung Der Autor befaßt sich mit der Situation im 18. und 19.Jahrhundert, insbesondere in Niedersachsen.

Friedrich Wilhelm Henning: Deutsche Agrargeschichte (und andere Werke)
Henning zählt zu den kompetentesten Autoren zum Thema Agrargeschichte; er differenziert sehr genau zwischen den einzelnen Regionen, und wer an exakten Infos interessiert ist, ist bei ihm an der richtigen Adresse.

In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the old Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not "Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical) landowner, who managed the main farm,

Diese Definition bezieht sich ausschließlich auf das Mittelalter!
Und wer von uns "armen" Bürgerlichen ist schon in der Lage, seine bäuerlichen Vorfahren über 1500 hinaus zurück zu verfolgen ? Zumindest in meinen Familienzweigen ist spätestens 1530 Schluß. Alles, was davor war, ist Spekulation und nicht eindeutig nachweisbar.

later the managers and landholders
of smaller farms. They had the supervision over the contribution of the other farmers, later on hereditary tenants.

Laut meiner o.a. Quellen stimmt diese Definition von Bahlow nur zum Teil, nämlich, daß EIN Meier des Dorfes (z.B. der Klostermeier oder der Tegtmeier)die Abgaben der anderen Bauern sammelte um sie anschließend beim Grundherrn abzuliefern. Die Behauptung, er hätte die Oberaufsicht über die herrschaftlichen Pächter gehabt, mag vielleicht für Meck-Pom zutreffen, stimmt aber nicht für Niedersachsen; dort war dies die Aufgabe des Amtes, bzw. des Amtmannes vor Ort.

Ihre Anmerkungen zum Thema "Recht der ersten Nacht" verstehe ich als kleines Späßchen am Rande und ist von Ihnen wohl auch nicht ganz ernst gemeint gewesen. Mag ja sein, daß der eine oder andere Grundherr (nicht sein Meier) von diesem Recht hin und wieder Gebrauch gemacht hat, es erklärt aber mit Sicherheit nicht die Häufigkeit des Namens Meier. Entscheidender hierfür dürfte der Umstand sein, daß es in den Dörfern ja immer mehrere Meierhöfe gab. Da nur einer der Söhne den Hof übernehmen konnte, mußten die anderen weichen. Diese weichenden Erben verließen zwar den Meierhof, nahmen ihren Namen aber mit.

Wenn ich die Diskussionsbeiträge zu diesem Thema insgesamt verfolge, drängt sich mir der Eindruck auf, daß hier das Pferd von hinten aufgezäumt wurde. Der mittelalterliche Villicus/Meier ist schwerlich vergleichbar mit den neuzeitlichen Meiern, die zwar die größten Höfe im Dorf bewirtschafteten (und einen dementsprechenden Stolz entwickelt hatten), aber auch die bei weitem größte Abgabenlast an den Grundherrn oder den Landesherrn zu leisten hatten.

Quelle: Akten des Amtes Stolzenau - Dienstregister und Scheffelschatzregister 17. und 18.Jahrhundert. Die Meier der Amtsdörfer mußten wöchentlich 2 Tage Spanndienste (also mit Pferden) leisten, die Köthner und Brinksitzer nur einen Tag Handdienst. Ähnliches wiederholte sich bei den Geld-/Kornabgaben. W. Achilles zeigt an mehreren Beispielen, daß diese Abgaben den Meierhof relativ stärker belasteten als den Kothhof.

Ich hoffe, Sie mit meinen Ausführungen nicht gelangweilt zu haben, fühlte mich aber aufgrund der fehlenden Quellenangaben aufgefordert, etwas näher auf das Thema einzugehen.

Freundliche Grüße und ein schönes Wochenende wünscht

Susanne (Schmitz)

Re: [HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/12 00:03:35
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Lila:

I am having a little trouble following your listing.  Try
not to use pronouons (he, they, she).  I know it may sound
a little redundant, but it makes it clear.

What I do get is that Johann and Dorothea (Schmidt)
Krunkelfeld had a son, August, born 1854 apparently in
Germany, as they imigrated in or about 1878.

August and Sophia (Schoh) may well be your lead to the
Krunkelfeld's hometown in Germany.  The wedding records of
immigrants usually have place of birth on them.

Also check the obits of Johann, Dorothea, August and
Sophia. Many times place of birth are listed. The Huston County Historical Society has most of them microfilmed.

I am of the impression that August and Sophia were married
in Eitzen (they moved back to Eitzen).  That is probably
where they were married. A lot of churches in that area. Do you know their relegion?

Is Anna, Johann and Dorothea's daughter?  She was born 14
years after August.  Unusual, not impossible.

Last, are you sure of the spelling of Krunkelfeld? I got hits on Schoh and Rudnick in New Albin, but, I couldn't even get a hit for Krunkelfeld on Google.

Gale


On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:34:52 -0600
 Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net> wrote:
I'm looking for any information on Krunkelfeld. I'm not sure that they were from Hannover, but do know that they were from Germany.

Johann and Dorothea (Schmidt) Krunkelfeld came to America ca. 1878 and settled at Eitzen, MN in Houston Co. They had at least 2 children:

August, born 1854 who married Sophia Schoh and worked for the RR in North Dakota according to a draft registration card. They had at least one child and moved back to the Eitzen, MN / New Albin, Ia area where they lived when Albert died in 1932

Anna, born 1868 in Eitzen. She married Karl Rudnick in 1886 in Eitzen, MN.
They lived near New Albin, IA where she died in 1942.
Their children were Martha (married George Solberg) Adolph (married Augusta ?) Mary or Mame (married Wm. Gaedy), and Charles who did not marry.

I would especially like any information on Johann and Dorothea, or if anyone has heard of the Krunkelfeld name.

Thanks!
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Re: [HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/12 00:35:29
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Lila,
      I think there's nobody left in Germany by the name of Krunkelfeld
(Krünkelfeld, Kruenkelfeld)!  I can't find one telephone number!

     First of all, there is a town by the name of Eitzen in the same
Medingen area you know of.  It is southwest of Bienbüttel.  Then, the map
shows another Eitzen II west of Ebstorf.  Those towns are so near to each
other, it'd be interesting to know why they have the same name.
    
    By doing a Google search with the various spellings of Krünkelfeld, I
don't find anything that valuable, except that there are some listings that
associate the name with Dannenberg (Elbe).  That town is farther east on
Road 216 coming from Lüneburg.  It is not far from the Elbe river.  I
thought that there may be a connection to your Benecke family.

    The LDS lists a  DOROTHEE ELISABETH KRUENKELFELD in a town called Breese
im Bruche (Breese in Der Marsche).  That little town is just south of
Dannenberg.
 
    The LDS has some records for Dannenberg (Elbe).

Good luck, 
Barbara




on 11/11/05 12:34 PM, Lila Burmeister at lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net wrote:

> I'm looking for any information on Krunkelfeld.  I'm not sure that
> they were from Hannover, but do know that they were from Germany.
> 
> Johann and Dorothea (Schmidt) Krunkelfeld came to America ca. 1878
> and settled at Eitzen, MN in Houston Co.  They had at least 2 children:
> 
> August, born 1854 who married Sophia Schoh and worked for the RR in
> North Dakota according to a draft registration card.
> They had at least one child and moved back to the Eitzen, MN / New
> Albin, Ia area where they lived when Albert died in 1932
> 
> Anna, born 1868 in Eitzen.  She married Karl Rudnick in 1886 in
> Eitzen, MN.
> They lived near New Albin, IA where she died in 1942.
> Their children were Martha (married George Solberg) Adolph (married
> Augusta ?) Mary or Mame (married Wm. Gaedy), and Charles who did not
> marry.
> 
> I would especially like any information on Johann and Dorothea, or if
> anyone has heard of the Krunkelfeld name.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/12 02:33:37
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Lila-Barbara:

I found that some of the original settlers of Eitzen were from Epsdorg, Germany and German Evangelicals. I also found the following URL which refers to two churches which were founded between Eitzen and New Albin. One was founded by English and the other by German immigrants. I am betting that August and Sophie were married at that German church.

Gale

http://www.paulburgess.org/church.html


On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:35:12 -0700
 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Lila,
I think there's nobody left in Germany by the name of Krunkelfeld (Krünkelfeld, Kruenkelfeld)! I can't find one telephone number!

First of all, there is a town by the name of Eitzen in the same Medingen area you know of. It is southwest of Bienbüttel. Then, the map shows another Eitzen II west of Ebstorf. Those towns are so near to each other, it'd be interesting to know why they have the same name. By doing a Google search with the various spellings of Krünkelfeld, I don't find anything that valuable, except that there are some listings that associate the name with Dannenberg (Elbe). That town is farther east on Road 216 coming from Lüneburg. It is not far from the Elbe river. I thought that there may be a connection to your Benecke family.

The LDS lists a DOROTHEE ELISABETH KRUENKELFELD in a town called Breese im Bruche (Breese in Der Marsche). That little town is just south of
Dannenberg.

   The LDS has some records for Dannenberg (Elbe).

Good luck, Barbara




on 11/11/05 12:34 PM, Lila Burmeister at lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net wrote:

I'm looking for any information on Krunkelfeld. I'm not sure that they were from Hannover, but do know that they were from Germany.

Johann and Dorothea (Schmidt) Krunkelfeld came to America ca. 1878 and settled at Eitzen, MN in Houston Co. They had at least 2 children:

August, born 1854 who married Sophia Schoh and worked for the RR in
North Dakota according to a draft registration card.
They had at least one child and moved back to the Eitzen, MN / New
Albin, Ia area where they lived when Albert died in 1932

Anna, born 1868 in Eitzen. She married Karl Rudnick in 1886 in
Eitzen, MN.
They lived near New Albin, IA where she died in 1942.
Their children were Martha (married George Solberg) Adolph (married Augusta ?) Mary or Mame (married Wm. Gaedy), and Charles who did not
marry.

I would especially like any information on Johann and Dorothea, or if
anyone has heard of the Krunkelfeld name.

Thanks!
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Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/12 13:40:20
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Prof. Dr. Clemens Pagenstert schreibt in "Die Bauernhöfe für das Amt Vechta" 1908:

Die Großgrundbesitzer in den ersten Jahrhunderten des Mittelalters ließen ihren Grundbesitz auf zwei ganz verschiedene Arten bewirtschaften, teils auf eigene Rechnung durch Leibeigene, teils als Besitz von Hörigen, die ihrem Grundherrn dafür zu Abgaben und Diensten verpflichtet waren.
Das von den Grundherrn selbst durch Leibeigene bewirtschaftete Land, "terra salica", Salland genannt, wurde mit der Zeit besonderen Verwaltern, Meiern, übertragen, und diesen wurden die benachbarten zinspflichtigen Höfe unterstellt.
So entstanden um die Mitte des Mittelalters die Oberhöfe (Meierhöfe/Haupthöfe)) mit ihren Unterhöfen.
Ein solcher Haupthof war .. die bischöfliche Kurie in Bokern(bei Damme), die gegen einen Pachtzins von einem Schulzen oder Meier (villicus) bewirtschaftet wurde, und an die .. alle Einnahmen der Unterhöfe abgeliefert werden mußten.

Im "Oldenburg" ein heimatliches Nachschlagewerk von 1965, werden die Meierhöfe im Oldenburger Münsterland wie folgt beschrieben (Auszüge):

Als Meierhöfe bezeichnet man jene Hofstellen, die der Regierungszeit Karls des Großen entstammen, ....
Um die Sachsen in Schach zu halten, richtete Karl der Große die fränkische Grafschaftsverwaltung ein mit Gaugrafen an der Spitze und Meiern als Unterbeamten. Auf alten oder neu gegründeten Hofstellen setzte er seine getreuen Franken und Sachsen ein....
Eine wichtige Arbeit (dieser Reichshöfe) war das Einsammeln der Aufgaben und des Zehnten und deren Weiterleitung an die Grafen und die Klöster.....
Die Verwalter der Meierhöfe nannten sich "Majores", die Größeren und Mächtigeren in der Bevölkerung. So erhielten diejenigen, die auf solchen Höfen die Leitung innehatten, im Laufe der nächsten Jahrhunderte allmählich den Namen "Meier", weil sie in vielen Angelegenheiten über die anderen gestellt waren. ...

Soweit die Literatur - wobei wir wieder bei der Ausgangsfrage sind, wo der Name Meier/Meyer herkommt.

Vielleicht kann jemand die bisherige Diskussion zusammenfassend ins Englische übersetzen.

Gruß Werner Honkomp

>> In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
>> Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in
>> Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the
>> old Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not
>> "Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical)
>> landowner, who managed the main farm,

> Diese Definition bezieht sich ausschließlich auf das Mittelalter!
> Und wer von uns "armen" Bürgerlichen ist schon in der Lage, seine
> bäuerlichen Vorfahren über 1500 hinaus zurück zu verfolgen ? Zumindest in
> meinen Familienzweigen ist spätestens 1530 Schluß. Alles, was davor war,
> ist Spekulation und nicht eindeutig nachweisbar.



Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/12 13:49:26
From: streetrods4ever2004 <streetrods4ever2004(a)comcast.net>

Guten Tag Liste, wir lesen auch mit.
Wir haben
auch Meier,Niefenecker,Salweck,Eckstein, Jaeger,Pfahler als Ahnen.
Grossnottersdorf, Kaldorf bei Titting,Zandt bei Denkendorf.
Einige sollen nach America ausgewandert sein.
Wer hat Ahnen in diesen Ortschaften!?

Hoeren gerne mehr ueber diese Namen.
Viele Gruesse
Brigitte aus Fl.
streetrods4ever2004(a)comcast.net



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Werner Honkomp" <werner(a)honkomp.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer


Prof. Dr. Clemens Pagenstert schreibt in "Die Bauernhöfe für das Amt Vechta" 
1908:

Die Großgrundbesitzer in den ersten Jahrhunderten des Mittelalters ließen 
ihren Grundbesitz auf zwei ganz verschiedene Arten bewirtschaften, teils auf 
eigene Rechnung durch Leibeigene, teils als Besitz von Hörigen, die ihrem 
Grundherrn dafür zu Abgaben und Diensten verpflichtet waren.
Das von den Grundherrn selbst durch Leibeigene bewirtschaftete Land, "terra 
salica", Salland genannt, wurde mit der Zeit besonderen Verwaltern, Meiern, 
übertragen, und diesen wurden die benachbarten zinspflichtigen Höfe 
unterstellt.
So entstanden um die Mitte des Mittelalters die Oberhöfe 
(Meierhöfe/Haupthöfe)) mit ihren Unterhöfen.
Ein solcher Haupthof war .. die bischöfliche Kurie in Bokern(bei Damme), die 
gegen einen Pachtzins von einem Schulzen oder Meier (villicus) 
bewirtschaftet wurde, und an die .. alle Einnahmen der Unterhöfe abgeliefert 
werden mußten.

Im "Oldenburg" ein heimatliches Nachschlagewerk von 1965, werden die 
Meierhöfe im Oldenburger Münsterland wie folgt beschrieben (Auszüge):

Als Meierhöfe bezeichnet man jene Hofstellen, die der Regierungszeit Karls 
des Großen entstammen, ....
Um die Sachsen in Schach zu halten, richtete Karl der Große die fränkische 
Grafschaftsverwaltung ein mit Gaugrafen an der Spitze und Meiern als 
Unterbeamten. Auf alten oder neu gegründeten Hofstellen setzte er seine 
getreuen Franken und Sachsen ein....
Eine wichtige Arbeit (dieser Reichshöfe) war das Einsammeln der Aufgaben und 
des Zehnten und deren Weiterleitung an die Grafen und die Klöster.....
Die Verwalter der Meierhöfe nannten sich "Majores", die Größeren und 
Mächtigeren in der Bevölkerung. So erhielten diejenigen, die auf solchen 
Höfen die Leitung innehatten, im Laufe der nächsten Jahrhunderte allmählich 
den Namen "Meier", weil sie in vielen Angelegenheiten über die anderen 
gestellt waren. ...

Soweit die Literatur - wobei wir wieder bei der Ausgangsfrage sind, wo der 
Name Meier/Meyer herkommt.

Vielleicht kann jemand die bisherige Diskussion zusammenfassend ins 
Englische übersetzen.

Gruß Werner Honkomp

>> In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
>> Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in
>> Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the
>> old Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not
>> "Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical)
>> landowner, who managed the main farm,

> Diese Definition bezieht sich ausschließlich auf das Mittelalter!
> Und wer von uns "armen" Bürgerlichen ist schon in der Lage, seine
> bäuerlichen Vorfahren über 1500 hinaus zurück zu verfolgen ? Zumindest in
> meinen Familienzweigen ist spätestens 1530 Schluß. Alles, was davor war,
> ist Spekulation und nicht eindeutig nachweisbar.


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Re: [HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/12 15:24:31
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

The phone directory listed only this one address:

  Krünkelfeld, Anja
  Friedensstr. 1
  39619 Arendsee

Arendsee is a small lake north-east of Braunschweig, between Salzwedel and Wittenberge, former in the Kingdom of Hannover.

Werner



> on 11/11/05 12:34 PM, Lila Burmeister at lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net wrote:

>> I'm looking for any information on Krunkelfeld.  I'm not sure that
>> they were from Hannover, but do know that they were from Germany.
>>
>> Johann and Dorothea (Schmidt) Krunkelfeld came to America ca. 1878
>> and settled at Eitzen, MN in Houston Co.  They had at least 2 children:
>>
>> August, born 1854 who married Sophia Schoh and worked for the RR in
>> North Dakota according to a draft registration card.
>> They had at least one child and moved back to the Eitzen, MN / New
>> Albin, Ia area where they lived when Albert died in 1932
>>
>> Anna, born 1868 in Eitzen.  She married Karl Rudnick in 1886 in
>> Eitzen, MN.
>> They lived near New Albin, IA where she died in 1942.
>> Their children were Martha (married George Solberg) Adolph (married
>> Augusta ?) Mary or Mame (married Wm. Gaedy), and Charles who did not
>> marry.
>>
>> I would especially like any information on Johann and Dorothea, or if
>> anyone has heard of the Krunkelfeld name.
>>


Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/12 16:30:52
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Werner and LIst,

Part of the translation...


In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in
Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the
old Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not
"Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical)
landowner, who managed the main farm....

Well...

Reading again...

I think I am about to write something really foolish....

So here goes..

Wasn't it common in the area of Westphalia that the children born of landless farm workers be christened with the farm name rather than the surname of the father?

Barbie-Lew


P.S.

On another tangent..

An Obituary...

MEYER - On Thursday, Dec. 9, 1915, at 6 p. m., John U. Meyer, beloved
husband of Theresa Meyer (nee Drager*), beloved father of Mrs. Amelia Michel*,
Mrs. Hattie Klingler, Mrs. Louise Butz*, and our dear grandfather, and
great-grandfather, at the age of 83 years. Funeral from the residence at
Carsonville, Mo., on Monday, Dec. 13, at 8:30 a. m., to St. Ann's Church,
thence to St. Ann's Cemetery, Normandy, Mo.



Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/12 17:15:38
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Hi Barbie-Lew1


> I think I am about to write something really foolish....
> 
> So here goes..
> 
> Wasn't it common in the area of Westphalia that the children born of 
> landless farm workers be christened with the farm name rather than the 
> surname of the father?
> 

No, in that time only the heritage of the farm got the surname "Meyer". And at the beginning it wasn't a surname but a marking of the social position. Landless farm workers as well as all common
people had only a given name.
There was no need to have a surname, because the country wasn't very populous. When the towns increased in the 15th century a surname was needed. This process to get a surname lasted many hundred years, especially on the country side. In this part of Westphalia where I live many surnames got firm about 1830-50.
By the way: here exists the longest German surname!
Ottovordemgentschenfeld, which means Otto who lives before the geese field.

Have a great day!

Klaus (Stahl)




[HN] Family search

Date: 2005/11/12 17:54:32
From: Martin Versteeg <maver(a)hetnet.nl>

Dear list members,
 
I am searching from Holland for my family from my mothers side who
original came from Germany from the villages Merzen, Hollenstede and
Schwagstorf in the surrounding of Osnabrueck.
The family names are Pohl and Vosseberg; they came between 1700 and 1800
from Germany to Holland and started in the surrounding of Utrecht
(Vinkeveen) in the winning and trade of Torf.
Some of the names I allready found are:
*	Gert Heinrich Pohl, * 1833 in Merzen X Maria Elisabeth Bertken *
17-06-1810 Merzen daughter of Hermann Bertken and Catharina Pater.
*	Gert Heinrich Pohl , * 1751 Hollenstede
*	Gerardus Vosseberg, Merzen
*	Barend Hendrik (Heinrich) *1807 Merzen X Maria Catharina Kodde
*	Johannus Gerardus Vosseberg Zu Hollenstede
*	Bernardus Vosseberg, Merzen
*	Franciscus Vosseberg 
 
Perhaps there is someone fore whome the above mentioned information
looks familiar, or perhaps is there a lot of excisting information
allready available!!!
 
Thanks in advance for all reactions on this subject.
 
Regards,
 
Martin Versteeg
maver(a)hetnet.nl  

Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/12 19:06:04
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,

       The question of farm names also happened in the Emsland (western
Hannover). The farm was passed along to the first-born son or a daughter
when there were no sons. If a man, having not inherited a farm, married a
woman who owned a farm, his name would change to her surname.  That happened
in our family in the mid-1700's in the Sustrum area in the Emsland.  A man
with the name of Joannes Rüschen married a Maria Lammers (who evidently had
no brother and thus, inherited the farm) and he then went by the name of
Joannes Lammers.  When his wife, Maria died, he still kept the name of
Lammers and lived on the same farm.  He married three times in all and never
resorted back to the Rüschen name.  The name went with the farm.  My
great-grandfather was Johann Wilhelm Lammers from that line emigrated to the
U.S. and had 23 children (two wives). Actually, only 18 of those lived to
adulthood. Many relatives in northeastern Nebraska absolutely refuse to
accept the fact that the name originally was Rüschen .  They want to believe
that the name was always Lammers.

       It becomes very confusing when looking at records.  When a birth
record shows the child taking the surname of the mother, the reason may be
that the mother owns the land.  It gets very confusing.  I have ancestors in
early Haren (Emsland) in the 1600'2 where the same woman is listed with two
different surnames in her children's records.  I first thought there were 2
wives, but it is not the case.  What explains that situation, I don't know.
Perhaps, in small towns the surname wasn't that important and so, the priest
wrote down either the father or the mother's name(??).

      I also have ancestors in Westfalen where the farm name is used.

Barbara


on 11/12/05 8:30 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> Dear Werner and LIst,
> 
> Part of the translation...
> 
> 
> In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
> Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in
> Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the
> old Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not
> "Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical)
> landowner, who managed the main farm....
> 
> Well...
> 
> Reading again...
> 
> I think I am about to write something really foolish....
> 
> So here goes..
> 
> Wasn't it common in the area of Westphalia that the children born of
> landless farm workers be christened with the farm name rather than the
> surname of the father?
> 
> Barbie-Lew
> 
> 
> P.S.
> 
> On another tangent..
> 
> An Obituary...
> 
> MEYER - On Thursday, Dec. 9, 1915, at 6 p. m., John U. Meyer, beloved
> husband of Theresa Meyer (nee Drager*), beloved father of Mrs. Amelia
> Michel*,
> Mrs. Hattie Klingler, Mrs. Louise Butz*, and our dear grandfather, and
> great-grandfather, at the age of 83 years. Funeral from the residence at
> Carsonville, Mo., on Monday, Dec. 13, at 8:30 a. m., to St. Ann's Church,
> thence to St. Ann's Cemetery, Normandy, Mo.
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/12 19:22:12
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Werner,

     When I use the online telephone book - http://www.telefonbuch.de/  for
Krünkelfeld, I get nothing!

 "Es wurde kein Eintrag zu Ihrer Eingabe im Feld "Name/Begriff" gefunden.
Bitte überprüfen Sie Ihre Eingabe."

     I try Honkamp and get results. Why does that happen?

Barbara


 


on 11/12/05 7:25 AM, Werner Honkomp at werner(a)honkomp.de wrote:

> The phone directory listed only this one address:
> 
> Krünkelfeld, Anja
> Friedensstr. 1
> 39619 Arendsee
> 
> Arendsee is a small lake north-east of Braunschweig, between Salzwedel and
> Wittenberge, former in the Kingdom of Hannover.
> 
> Werner
 


[HN] GEHRKE - BÜLTEMANN

Date: 2005/11/12 20:28:32
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>


 Hallo Liste,

 wer hat den Namen GEHRKE aus Alt Wallmoden / Goslar in seiner Ahnenliste ???

 GEHRKE  / GERICKE   Heinrich Conrad      * 11.04.1784   in Alt Wallmoden
                                          + 22.04.1837        "

                             oo wann und wo  ???

 BÜLTEMANN Johanna Marie Sophie Eleonore  * 21.04.1788   in Haverlah
                                          + ???

 
 Ferner suche ich die Eltern von oben genannten Personen


 kann mir jemand helfen ??
 Klaus

[HN] HARTMANN - STOPFEL

Date: 2005/11/12 20:35:13
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>



 Hallo Liste,

 ich versuche erneut die Vorfahren von:

 HARTMANN, Heinrich Wilhelm                *  ca. 1721  wann und wo
                                           +  11.12.1799  in Haynrode / Thüringen

                            oo  17.11.1746  in Haynrode / Thüringen

 STOPFEL, Sabine                           *  1717  in Haynrode / Thüringen
                                           +  26.09.1802  in Haynrode


 zu finden.
 Klaus


 PS. es könnte auch das Eichsfeld sein.

[HN] KUNZE

Date: 2005/11/12 20:39:20
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>


 Hallo Liste,

 wer hat die Namen KUNZE aus dem Weserbergland in seiner Ahnenliste ??

 KUNZE, Heinrich Friedrich Anton            *  07.03.1799  in Brökeln
                                            +  wann und wo ??


 Ehefrau: ???


 Kann mir jemand weiter helfen ? Ferner such ich seine Eltern

 Gruß Klaus 


[HN] ] LIPPELGOES

Date: 2005/11/12 21:06:14
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>




Hallo Liste und Ahnenforscher,

Wer hat in seiner Ahnenliste den Namen : " LIPPELGOES "  ????

Auch andere Schreibweisen wie: LIPPELGAUS; LIPPELGANS; LIPPELGOOS oder
wären möglich.
Die erste Eintragung von Salzgitter ( Harz ) ist von 1718.

Die Familie gehörte zu den Wandermusikanten von Salzgitter.Später nannten sie
sich Klesmer-Musikanten und musizierten in der ganzen Welt.
Wie mir aus meiner Familie mitgeteilt wurde, kommt der Name eher aus 
dem süddeutschen Raum bzw. südöstlichem Ausland vor. Da ich vor 1718 keine 
Eintragung und keinen Hinweis auf die Herkunft finde,bitte ich alle Listen-Mitglieder
bei dem Namen hellwach zu werden.
Sollte jemand eine Verbindung zu einer Liste in Tirol, Ungarn,Polen und der
Tschechische-Republik haben, bitte ich Sie ganz herzlich,um Weiterleitung dieser Mail.


Hoffentlich habe ich Glück, und komme dadurch in meiner Forschung weiter.

Ich bedanke mich im voraus, und grüße Sie aus dem Harzvorland
Klaus Kunze















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[HN] VERWOHL

Date: 2005/11/12 21:10:44
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>


 Wer hat den Namen VERWOHL aus Holenberg  Golmbach  Kreis Holzminden ( Weserbergland )
 in seiner Ahnenliste ??

 VERWOHL: Heinrich Friedrich               * wo ??
                                           + wo ??

                              oo wann und wo ??

 Kann mir jemand weiter helfen ??
 Gruß Klaus


 PS.  auch andere Schreibarten können vorkommen:
      VERWOHLD,VERWOHLT,FREWOHL VERWOHLDS,VERWOHLTS und FREWOL

Re: [HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/12 22:10:04
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Dear Barbara,
you are right, the online Telefonbuch version listed not the address.

I use a "Telefonbuch" CD-ROM version on my PC, published August 4, 2005 - maybe this version has some more addresses, I doun't know why. It should be the same data.
The CD-ROM included also a map to show the place of the address I search for.

Werner


> Werner,

>      When I use the online telephone book - http://www.telefonbuch.de/
>      for
> Krünkelfeld, I get nothing!

>  "Es wurde kein Eintrag zu Ihrer Eingabe im Feld "Name/Begriff" gefunden.
> Bitte überprüfen Sie Ihre Eingabe."

>      I try Honkamp and get results. Why does that happen?

> Barbara





> on 11/12/05 7:25 AM, Werner Honkomp at werner(a)honkomp.de wrote:

>> The phone directory listed only this one address:
>>
>> Krünkelfeld, Anja
>> Friedensstr. 1
>> 39619 Arendsee
>>
>> Arendsee is a small lake north-east of Braunschweig, between Salzwedel
>> and
>> Wittenberge, former in the Kingdom of Hannover.
>>
>> Werner


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Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/12 22:21:08
From: Kathy Reed <khreed(a)cinci.rr.com>

The same thing happened in a family I was researching. I was investigating the Saalfelds of Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky, only to find out that they were once Honkomps. When Honkomp married Saalfeld, he took her last name. Interestingly, Werner Honkomp confirmed that my daughter has a common Honkomp ancestor with him from the year 1610 -- yet I started out researching an entirely different surname. It's great fun, isn't it?

Kathy
----- Original Message ----- From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer


Hello,

      The question of farm names also happened in the Emsland (western
Hannover). The farm was passed along to the first-born son or a daughter
when there were no sons. If a man, having not inherited a farm, married a
woman who owned a farm, his name would change to her surname.  That happened
in our family in the mid-1700's in the Sustrum area in the Emsland.  A man
with the name of Joannes Rüschen married a Maria Lammers (who evidently had
no brother and thus, inherited the farm) and he then went by the name of
Joannes Lammers.  When his wife, Maria died, he still kept the name of
Lammers and lived on the same farm.  He married three times in all and never
resorted back to the Rüschen name.  The name went with the farm.  My
great-grandfather was Johann Wilhelm Lammers from that line emigrated to the
U.S. and had 23 children (two wives). Actually, only 18 of those lived to
adulthood. Many relatives in northeastern Nebraska absolutely refuse to
accept the fact that the name originally was Rüschen .  They want to believe
that the name was always Lammers.

      It becomes very confusing when looking at records.  When a birth
record shows the child taking the surname of the mother, the reason may be
that the mother owns the land.  It gets very confusing.  I have ancestors in
early Haren (Emsland) in the 1600'2 where the same woman is listed with two
different surnames in her children's records.  I first thought there were 2
wives, but it is not the case.  What explains that situation, I don't know.
Perhaps, in small towns the surname wasn't that important and so, the priest
wrote down either the father or the mother's name(??).

     I also have ancestors in Westfalen where the farm name is used.

Barbara


on 11/12/05 8:30 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

Dear Werner and LIst,

Part of the translation...


In Bahlow, Hans: Deutsches Namenslexikon" is written:
Maier, Mayer ("oberdeutsch") besides Meyer, Meier (so especially in
Westfalia-Hannover): firstly the "major villae" or "villicus", in the
old Franconian empire (didn't find a translation for "Frankenreich", not
"Frankreich"!!!. the commissioner of the (aristocratic or clerical)
landowner, who managed the main farm....

Well...

Reading again...

I think I am about to write something really foolish....

So here goes..

Wasn't it common in the area of Westphalia that the children born of
landless farm workers be christened with the farm name rather than the
surname of the father?

Barbie-Lew


P.S.

On another tangent..

An Obituary...

MEYER - On Thursday, Dec. 9, 1915, at 6 p. m., John U. Meyer, beloved
husband of Theresa Meyer (nee Drager*), beloved father of Mrs. Amelia
Michel*,
Mrs. Hattie Klingler, Mrs. Louise Butz*, and our dear grandfather, and
great-grandfather, at the age of 83 years. Funeral from the residence at
Carsonville, Mo., on Monday, Dec. 13, at 8:30 a. m., to St. Ann's Church,
thence to St. Ann's Cemetery, Normandy, Mo.


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[HN] Translation concerning Meier

Date: 2005/11/12 22:23:25
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Werner Honkamp sent an email in the German language.
I try to translate it in abbreviation.

The big estate farmers of the first centuries of the MA managed their farms in two different ways.
A) they managed the farms themselves under help of serfs. The land was called "terra salica", in German "Salland".
B) dependend people (Hörige) took the farms on lease.
To A) This land was later on managed by the "Meiers", and the smaller farms close to them were under their controll.

Those farms, established under the reign of Charles the Great, were called "Meierhöfe". Charles dedicated these farms to his faithfull followers, who helped him to chech the Saxon enemies. [He had occupied their land in order to baptize them. This is my hint!!! And remember: the Saxons of that time lived in the Lower Saxony area of today.]
An important duty of those Meiers was to collect the taxes.

That's my try out to translate the sophisticated text.

May it help you!


Greetings from Germany

Klaus (Stahl)

[HN] Rüschen married a Lammers

Date: 2005/11/13 01:05:10
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hi Barbara,
You wrote:
<<Many relatives in northeastern Nebraska absolutely refuse to
accept the fact that the name originally was Rüschen .  They want to believe
that the name was always Lammers.>>

There's none so blind as those who refuse to see :-)
The surname change of the man was normal practice throughout all of Europe.
In the 1800's a prominent male line of my family died out.
My branch tried to claim the family castle but lost out to a female cousin and her husband and he had to legally change his surname to inherit the estate for his children.

<<It gets very confusing.  I have ancestors in
early Haren (Emsland) in the 1600'2 where the same woman is listed with two
different surnames in her children's records.  I first thought there were 2
wives, but it is not the case.  What explains that situation, I don't know.
Perhaps, in small towns the surname wasn't that important and so, the priest
wrote down either the father or the mother's name(??).>>

It sounds similar to the custom in some parts of Scotland, which didn't die out until the 19th century, where the wife was always known by the surname she was born with. The difference between your 1700's situation and mine is that I have an 1833 marriage cert. plus baptisms and an 1841 census entry of adults and children which prove the historians are correct.

Referring back to your disbelievers, my son in law took my daughter's surname when they married because he didn't like his own surname - he is now on his third wife but didn't change his 'new' surname again. I'm guessing it's because he wants all his offspring to have the same surname.

Rena
==

Barbara <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:-
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer
Hello,
      The question of farm names also happened in the Emsland (western
Hannover). The farm was passed along to the first-born son or a daughter
when there were no sons. If a man, having not inherited a farm, married a
woman who owned a farm, his name would change to her surname.  That happened
in our family in the mid-1700's in the Sustrum area in the Emsland.  A man
with the name of Joannes Rüschen married a Maria Lammers (who evidently had
no brother and thus, inherited the farm) and he then went by the name of
Joannes Lammers.  When his wife, Maria died, he still kept the name of
Lammers and lived on the same farm.  He married three times in all and never
resorted back to the Rüschen name.  The name went with the farm.  My
great-grandfather was Johann Wilhelm Lammers from that line emigrated to the
U.S. and had 23 children (two wives). Actually, only 18 of those lived to
adulthood. Many relatives in northeastern Nebraska absolutely refuse to
accept the fact that the name originally was Rüschen .  They want to believe
that the name was always Lammers.
      It becomes very confusing when looking at records.  When a birth
record shows the child taking the surname of the mother, the reason may be
that the mother owns the land.
     I also have ancestors in Westfalen where the farm name is used.
Barbara


[HN] Online data St. Marcus United Church of Christ, St. Louis, Missouri

Date: 2005/11/13 03:54:42
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>





Dear List,

An excellent website can be found here:

http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/Buecher4.htm

St. Marcus United Church of Christ, St. Louis, Missouri

Burial Index, 1847-1879

Confirmation Index, 1848-1870 (link)

Marriage Index, 1847-1865 (link)


Below a sampling of surnames. There are many more. European places of origin are even documented for some families.

SPRINGMEYER

VONDOEREN

MACHENHEIMER

SARBAUM?? MEINECKE (SEIBUM?)

METJER

MICHEL

PAGELS/JUST (Poggel?)

RIECHMANN/KOLLMEIER

AMELUNG -

HAUPT/BLAETZ

GERHARD ***

HARTMANN ***

MARZLUFF

HORMANN ***

HUMMERT ***

KERN ***

KLATT/MROTZ


Because most of my Hannover ancestors are believed to be catholic faith I hadn't thought to view non-catholic records...

However...

Surnames with *** are also found in sacramental registers for Shrine of St. Joseph Catholic Church in St. Louis, Missouri.

Many on the list are probobly familiar with this online data but I write just in case.

The site is in English. If you use English-German translation tool like babelfish or some other...copy/paste the english first..then copy/paste to translator rather than translating entire site because translator might translate the surnames oddly....:)

Barbie-Lew



Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/13 04:26:57
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Klaus,

You know...

I have people with the surname "Otto" from ? in Europe. In St. Louis, Mo. and Washington county, Il in the states....:)


And I thought Lewandowski was a long name :)

Ottovordemgentschenfeld.............WOW!!   I like it.

Sort of neat to think that "Otto" was so very popular that he was remembered as the person who lived nearby the geesefield.

I suppose in olden times if a person wanted to cook a goose or gather some eggs.... they might have stopped and said hello to Otto along the way...:)

My aunt used to give me fresh goose and chicken eggs on occasion... I only ever needed one goose egg to prepare an omlet!!

However...have also experienced the crabby old laying goose who would honk, flap, chase and attempt to bite everyone who might pass.

Barbie-Lew







From: "Klaus Stahl" <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer
Date: 12 Nov 2005 16:14 GMT

Hi Barbie-Lew1


> I think I am about to write something really foolish....
>
> So here goes..
>
> Wasn't it common in the area of Westphalia that the children born of
> landless farm workers be christened with the farm name rather than the
> surname of the father?
>

No, in that time only the heritage of the farm got the surname "Meyer". And at the beginning it wasn't a surname but a marking of the social position. Landless farm workers as well as all common
people had only a given name.
There was no need to have a surname, because the country wasn't very populous. When the towns increased in the 15th century a surname was needed. This process to get a surname lasted many hundred years, especially on the country side. In this part of Westphalia where I live many surnames got firm about 1830-50.
By the way: here exists the longest German surname!
Ottovordemgentschenfeld, which means Otto who lives before the geese field.

Have a great day!

Klaus (Stahl)



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Re: [HN] Rüschen married a Lammers

Date: 2005/11/13 06:11:07
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info>

Many relatives in northeastern Nebraska absolutely refuse to
accept the fact that the name originally was Rüschen . They want to believe that the name was always Lammers.

Barbara,
Did any of your Lammers go to south-central Nebraska. I have some Lammers relatives in Buffalo County, Nebraska.

Mona

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Re: [HN] Rüschen married a Lammers

Date: 2005/11/13 07:35:56
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Mona,
       The original John Lammers (my great-grandfather) from Sustrum
Hannover came without family, but with a few friends, in about 1853 or
perhaps before.  He first lived in Cincinnati, married there in 1854 and had
one child.  They moved to New Vienna Iowa for a few years having more
children and finally settled in northeastern Nebraska. It was (and still) is
a farming community with small towns in Cedar County, NE.  There were 18
children and they all had many more children.  Some of them left that area
through the years.  If any moved to south-central Nebraska, I couldn't be
sure.  If you give me names, I could look them up in the huge book we have
of all his descendants.
Barbara


on 11/12/05 10:18 PM, Mona at HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info wrote:

>> Many relatives in northeastern Nebraska absolutely refuse to
>> accept the fact that the name originally was Rüschen .  They want to
>> believe that the name was always Lammers.
> 
> Barbara,
> Did any of your Lammers go to south-central Nebraska.  I have some
> Lammers relatives in Buffalo County, Nebraska.
> 
> Mona


Re: [HN] Meyer

Date: 2005/11/13 11:28:33
From: Raimund Winter <R-Winter(a)gmx.de>

Hallo,

about the mechanism of a name change:

>        The question of farm names also happened in the Emsland (western
> Hannover). The farm was passed along to the first-born son or a daughter
> when there were no sons. If a man, having not inherited a farm, married a
> woman who owned a farm, his name would change to her surname.
That is the popular explanation. However it has a snag:
the farmland (including the buildings) did not belong to the farmer. The
landowner and the (male) farmer had a hereditary lease contract that
could be terminated by either side. One clause of the contract stated
that there had to be a "man on the farm". Young widows or daughters had
to marry or the contract would be cancelled by the landlord.
Regarding the name change I heard two explanations: One that the
landowner was just to lazy to change all the documents (very popular
again); the second that the tax that had to be paid for inheriting the
contract was considerable less than a straitforward buy. The name change
signifies a legal adoption with inheriting rights.
Women were not permitted to sign any binding documents in those golden
times of the past ;-) without a custodian.

Unfortunately I haven't found a reference to a book about this theme.
Perhaps somebody with access to a university could help.

Regards
         Raimund Winter

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[HN] Zufallsfund 1858 oo Rieche-Adam, oo Rieche -Köhler

Date: 2005/11/13 11:49:50
From: Alexandra Stolpe <alexstolpe(a)web.de>


Hallo liebe Liste,

 

im KB Trautenstein gefunden:

oo 27.07.1858

Johann Heinrich Friedrich Rieche *30.10.1821

Henriette Caroline Adam *05.07.1832

 

oo 14.11.1858

Johann Andreas Christian Rieche *05.10.1831

Johanne Catharine Justine Köhler *03.01.1837

 

Bei Bedarf weitere Informationen möglich...

Gruß

Alexandra



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[HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/13 14:20:30
From: Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>

Gale, thanks for your help on Krunkelfelds. The German Evangelical Church that you found (St. John's) is actually the church where I was baptized and confirmed, but alas, no Krunkelfelds. August and Sophia as well as August's sister Anna and Carl Rudnick were married at Immanual Lutheran in Eitzen, a church that no longer exists. I have copies of those records, but there is no information about their parents or birthplace other than their names and "Germany".

August and Anna were sister and brother (yes, they were born 14 years apart!) and their parents names were Johanna and Dorothea. The parents do not appear on the membership rolls of Immanual where August & Sophia and Anna & Carl were married, nor are there any death records for them there. Perhaps they didn't attend church?

There is a little German Evangelical church in New Albin (St. Peter's) that I've not gotten any information from that they may have gone to, since census records show that both the Rudnicks and August & Sophia later lived in New Albin. The towns of Eitzen and New Albin are about 8 miles apart, I grew up half way between them.



Barbara, It was exciting to see that there is still a Krunkelfeld in Germany! I will also need to order the LDS film for Dorthee Kruenkelfeld and see if it perhaps has any more information. Her age could make her a sister of Johann, August and Anna's parents.

Two Eitzen's in Germany is also interesting. A lot of early settlers in Eitzen church records list Bargdorf as their birthplace. My map is apparently not as detailed as the one you're using, I only find the Eitzen north and west of Bargdorf.

Thanks again.

Lila

Re: [HN] Raum Holzminden: KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen

Date: 2005/11/13 17:15:56
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hallo, Björn,
die Hansmann in Heinsen und die Meyer in Pegestorf sind
meine direkten Vorfahren.
Mich würde Deine Daten interessieren, ggf. kann ich
ergänzen.
-- 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Tue,  8 Nov 2005 21:29:56 +0100
> Subject: Re: [HN] Raum Holzminden:
> KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen
> From: Björn Sassenberg 
> To: "Hannover-L" 

> Hallo Reinhard,
> 
> bei den Vorfahren meines Schwiegervaters aus dem Raum
Holzminden
> handelt es sich im Wesentlich um folgenden Namen aus
folgenden Orten.
> Mehr ist auch auf meiner Homepage:
> http://www.bjoern-sassenberg.de/surnames.html zu sehen.
> 
> Holzminden:
> HALLEMANN, SALVEY, SCHOPPE
> 
> Altendorf:
> ASCHE, BEVERUNG, JACOB, QUÄST, SCHMIDTMANN
> 
> Heinsen:
> BENNEFELD, BEERMANN, BIERMANN, BÖKER, BUSCHE, DORMANN,
DREYER, EVERS,
> HANSMANN, KEMENA, KEMNA, KENNEMANN, MÖN(E)KEMEIER,
MÜNCHMEIER,
> NEGENBORN, OPPERMANN (Nr. 11), SCHRADER, SIEBERS, SÖFKEN,
STAPPERFEND,
> TOP(P)
> 
> Deensen:
> KLENKE, LESSMANN (Nr. 37), NIEMEIER, SCHNEGEL
> 
> Pegestorf:
> MEIER
> 
> Bodenfelde:
> BENTEKAMP
> 
> Ottenstein:
> DÜE, KELLERMEIER, MEIER
> 
> Polle:
> BÖHME, EVERS, HENSEL, JACOB
> 
> Lüchtringen
> ABEL, SCHOPPE?
> 
> Kohnsen:
> SCHLÜTER
> 
> Mit den besten Grüßen aus Langenhagen,
> 
> Björn
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: "Hannover-L" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:12 AM
> Subject: [HN] Raum Holzminden:
KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer
> Calenberg-Göttingen 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Hallo, Björn
> > in welchen Orten forscht Du nach welchen Namen im Raum
> > Holzminden?
> > 
> > In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
> > vorwärts
> > 
> > Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
> > Universitätsstadt Göttingen
> > Reinhard J. Freytag
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > für mich kämen die Bereiche um Wunstorf, sowie um
> > Holzminden in
> > > Betracht. Wäre da etwas dabei? Und was würde ein Band
> > kosten?
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/13 19:20:23
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Lila,
      
        The  most significant town by the name of Eitzen that you describe
as north and west of Bargsdorf is obviously larger than Eitzen II (which is
just a blip on the map). You can find Eitzen II on mapquest.com by looking
for Hanstedt and choosing the one with Uelzen.  Click on Hanstedt and you
will see Eitzen II a bit northwest.
 
       There must be a custom of naming two towns as I and II.  Hanstedt is
listed as Hanstedt I as is the larger Eitzen I. I see an Oldendorf II as
well.  I'm not sure what that's all about.

Barbara




on 11/13/05 6:20 AM, Lila Burmeister at lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net wrote:

> Gale, thanks for your help on Krunkelfelds.  The German Evangelical
> Church that you found (St. John's) is actually the church where I was
> baptized and confirmed, but alas, no Krunkelfelds.  August and Sophia
> as well as August's sister Anna and Carl Rudnick were married at
> Immanual Lutheran in Eitzen, a church that no longer exists.    I
> have copies of those records, but there is no information about their
> parents or birthplace other than their names and "Germany".
> 
> August and Anna were sister and brother (yes, they were born 14 years
> apart!) and their parents names were Johanna and Dorothea. The
> parents do not appear on the membership rolls of Immanual where
> August & Sophia and Anna & Carl were married, nor are there any death
> records for them there.  Perhaps they didn't attend church?
> 
> There is a little German  Evangelical church in New Albin (St.
> Peter's) that I've not gotten any information from that they may have
> gone to, since census records show that both the Rudnicks and August
> & Sophia later lived in New Albin.  The towns of Eitzen and New Albin
> are about 8 miles apart, I grew up half way between them.
> 
> 
> 
> Barbara, It was exciting to see that there is still a Krunkelfeld in
> Germany!  I will also need to order the LDS film for Dorthee
> Kruenkelfeld and see if it perhaps has any more information.  Her age
> could make her a sister of Johann, August and Anna's parents.
> 
> Two Eitzen's  in Germany is also interesting.  A lot of early
> settlers in Eitzen church records list Bargdorf as their birthplace.
> My map is apparently not as detailed as the one you're using, I only
> find the Eitzen north and west of Bargdorf.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Lila
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Re: [HN] Raum Holzminden:KopfsteuerbeschreibungenF ürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen

Date: 2005/11/13 22:18:49
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Hallo Reinhard,

danke für Deine Antwort. Ich füge mal die gesammelten Daten dieser beiden Linien hier an. Wenn Du auch noch an deren Nachfahren interessiert bist, kann ich gerne komplette Listen oder eine gedcom-Datei direkt an Dich senden.

zu HANSMANN:
1. Friederike Wilhelmine Charlotte HANSMANN wurde geboren am 09 Apr 1773 in Heinsen und verstarb am 21 Aug 1844 in Heinsen. Sie ist die Tochter von 2. Johann Heinrich HANSMANN. Sie heiratete (1) Johann Friedrich Christian KENNEMANN, Brinksitzer in Heinsen Nr. 22, am 04 Jan 1798 in Heinsen. Er wurde geboren am 29 Dez 1768 in Heinsen, und verstarb am 27 Mrz 1815 in Bremen. Er ist der Sohn von Johann Heinrich KEMENA und Ilse Marie Marlene SIEBERS.

zu MEIER:
1. Friederike Justine Caroline MEIER wurde geboren am 06 Feb 1837 in Pegestorf und verstarb am 20 Okt 1909 in Heinsen. Taufe (christlich): 26 Feb 1837, Pegestorf. Sie ist die Tochter von 2. Heinrich Conrad Anton MEIER und 3. Dorothea Louise Caroline DÜE. Sie heiratete (1) Heinrich Friedrich Christian OPPERMANN. Er wurde geboren am 19 Mrz 1837 in Heinsen, und verstarb am 24 Feb 1896 in Heinsen. Taufe (christlich): 02 Apr 1837, Heinsen. Er ist der Sohn von Johann Heinrich Friedrich Christian OPPERMANN und Johanne Justine Wilhelmine Christine EVERS.

2. Heinrich Conrad Anton MEIER, Kleinköter und Leinenweber. Er ist der Sohn von 4. Heinrich MEIER und 5. Louise KELLERMEIER. Er heiratete 3. Dorothea Louise Caroline DÜE am 23 Nov 1834 in Ottenstein.
3. Dorothea Louise Caroline DÜE Sie ist die Tochter von 6. Georg DÜE und 7. Dorothee MEIER.

Weitere Kinder von Heinrich Meier und Dorothea Düe sind:
ii. Heinrich Friedrich Conrad MEIER, geboren 13 Mrz 1839 in Pegestorf. Taufe (christlich): 24 Mrz 1839, Pegestorf iii. Caroline Wilhelmine Friederike MEIER, geboren 07 Aug 1841 in Pegestorf; verstorben 06 Apr 1842 in Pegestorf. Taufe (christlich): 22 Aug 1841, Pegestorf

4. Heinrich MEIER, Kleinköter und Leinenweber. Er heiratete 5. Louise KELLERMEIER.
5. Louise KELLERMEIER

6. Georg DÜE, Schuhmachermeister. Er heiratete 7. Dorothee MEIER.
7. Dorothee MEIER

Ich freue mich auf Deine Antwort, viele Grüße nach Göttingen (die Stadt, die Wissen schaft),

Björn

----- Original Message ----- From: <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Raum Holzminden:KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen


Hallo, Björn,
die Hansmann in Heinsen und die Meyer in Pegestorf sind
meine direkten Vorfahren.
Mich würde Deine Daten interessieren, ggf. kann ich
ergänzen.
--
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:29:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [HN] Raum Holzminden:
KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen
From: Björn Sassenberg
To: "Hannover-L"

Hallo Reinhard,

bei den Vorfahren meines Schwiegervaters aus dem Raum
Holzminden
handelt es sich im Wesentlich um folgenden Namen aus
folgenden Orten.
Mehr ist auch auf meiner Homepage:
http://www.bjoern-sassenberg.de/surnames.html zu sehen.

Holzminden:
HALLEMANN, SALVEY, SCHOPPE

Altendorf:
ASCHE, BEVERUNG, JACOB, QUÄST, SCHMIDTMANN

Heinsen:
BENNEFELD, BEERMANN, BIERMANN, BÖKER, BUSCHE, DORMANN,
DREYER, EVERS,
HANSMANN, KEMENA, KEMNA, KENNEMANN, MÖN(E)KEMEIER,
MÜNCHMEIER,
NEGENBORN, OPPERMANN (Nr. 11), SCHRADER, SIEBERS, SÖFKEN,
STAPPERFEND,
TOP(P)

Deensen:
KLENKE, LESSMANN (Nr. 37), NIEMEIER, SCHNEGEL

Pegestorf:
MEIER

Bodenfelde:
BENTEKAMP

Ottenstein:
DÜE, KELLERMEIER, MEIER

Polle:
BÖHME, EVERS, HENSEL, JACOB

Lüchtringen
ABEL, SCHOPPE?

Kohnsen:
SCHLÜTER

Mit den besten Grüßen aus Langenhagen,

Björn


----- Original Message -----
From:
To: "Hannover-L"
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:12 AM
Subject: [HN] Raum Holzminden:
KopfsteuerbeschreibungenFürstentümer
Calenberg-Göttingen


>
> Hallo, Björn
> in welchen Orten forscht Du nach welchen Namen im Raum
> Holzminden?
>
> In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
> vorwärts
>
> Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
> Universitätsstadt Göttingen
> Reinhard J. Freytag
>
>
> >
> > für mich kämen die Bereiche um Wunstorf, sowie um
> Holzminden in
> > Betracht. Wäre da etwas dabei? Und was würde ein Band
> kosten?
> >
>
>
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Re: [HN] Krunkelfeld

Date: 2005/11/14 00:07:00
From: DVPJane <DVPJane(a)aol.com>

 
In 1808 one of my ancestors (Christoph Bormann) reported to the mayor of  
Braunlage, where he was living at the time, that he was born  in "Eitzen". 
According to German researcher Jens Müller-Koppe, there are/were seven  Eitzens: 
1) Eitzen, Bienenbüttel parish (14  kilometer south of Lüneburg) 
2) Eitzen, Hanstedt parish (18 kilometer  northwest of Uelzen, about 12 
kilometer south of Eitzen I) 
3) Eitzen, Sudwalde parish (about 28  kilometers northeast of Nienburg 
4) Eitzen [today`s spelling Eitzte],  Selsingen parish (8 kilometer northwest 
of  Zeven) 
5) Eitze [sometimes called and  written Eitzen in earlier periods], Verden, 
St. Andreas parish (just east of  Verden, belonging to the town of Verden  
today) 
6) Eitzum [sometimes called and  written Eitzen in earlier periods], 
Nienstedt parish (Despethal community, 8 km  southwest of Hildesheim) 
7) Eitzum [sometimes called and  written Eitzen in earlier periods], Eitzum 
parish (4 kilometer norteast of  Schöppenstedt, 22 kilometer east of 
Wolfenbüttel) 
Jane  Wagoner

[HN] Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen

Date: 2005/11/14 10:03:03
From: Nob2cGeneal3K79F <Nob2cGeneal3K79F(a)aol.com>

 
Hallo, Forscherfreunde in Niedersachsen!
 
Ich erbitte Hilfe!!!
 
Wer kann mir Auskunft geben über Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen vor 1733? 
Angeblich siedelten um diese Zeit französische Refugies aus Württemberg  u.a. 
in Seesen und salzburgische Emigranten in Niedersachsen an sog. wüsten  
Plätzen.
 
Für Hinweise wäre ich sehr dankbar!
 
Viele Grüße aus Wiesbaden
        Hermann Nobel
 
_http://www.hermannnobel.de_ (http://www.hermannnobel.de/) 
65199  Wiesbaden, Telefon: 0611-421584


[HN] HAGENA / HAGENAH aus dem Raum Stade

Date: 2005/11/14 11:51:07
From: Thomas Harriehausen <th.harriehausen(a)fh-wolfenbuettel.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

ich suche die Ahnen (und weitere Nachfahren) meines Vorfahren

Heinrich HAGENA, geb. 23.9.1727 in Stade
Stiftsamtmann in Fischbeck bei Hameln
gest. 13.3.1809 in Fischbeck
verh. mit Katharina Luise LINDEMANN

Nach meinem momentanen Kenntnisstand stammen die Mitglieder der
Familie Hagena bzw. Hagenah aus dem gleichnamigen Ort bei Stade
oder aus dessen Umgebung.

Ueber konkrete Daten oder Hinweise auf Kontaktpersonen oder den
Namen einer geeigneten genealogischen Liste wuerde ich mich sehr
freuen!

Thomas (Harriehausen)
aus Wolfenbuettel



[HN] GLindemann Peine gesucht, Re Kierig aus Clausthal

Date: 2005/11/14 12:33:05
From: Ingomar Kierig <kirugin(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Liste, 
kenn jemand aktuell Frau G Lindemann aus Peine?
Sie sucht nach Kierig aus Clausthal.

Ihre Anschrift: 'glindemann-peine(a)t-online.de' ist angeblich unbekannt.
Im Telefonbuch nicht gefunden.

Besten Dank für Hilfe im Voraus.

I. Kierig


Re: [HN] Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen

Date: 2005/11/14 14:24:46
From: k-d-wolf <k-d-wolf(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Hermann Nobel!

Salzburger Protestanten sind nach ihrer Vertreibung u.a. in und um Coppenbruegge 
haengen geblieben. Coppenbruegge liegt zwischen Osterwald und Deister, etwa 
35 Km suedwestlich von Hannover. Im Dreieck zwischen Hildesheim-Hannover und 
Hameln, direkt an der B-1.
Es gibt -so glaube ich- heute noch Ortsteile, bzw, Strassen, die auf die 
Salzburger bezug nehmen.

MfG
Klaus-Dieter Wolf
____________________________________________________
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[HN] Mailingliste Ostwestfalen-Lippe?

Date: 2005/11/14 14:39:52
From: KlausKunzeUslar <KlausKunzeUslar(a)aol.com>

Ich suche etwas in Lüchtringen bei Höxter. Weiß jemand, ob es eine  
Mailingsliste für Ostwestfalen-Lippe gibt?
Klaus Kunze
 
_http://klauskunze.com_ (http://klauskunze.com)  

Re: [HN] Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen

Date: 2005/11/14 16:31:23
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Guten Tag, Herr Nobel!


> Wer kann mir Auskunft geben über Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen vor 1733? 
> Angeblich siedelten um diese Zeit französische Refugies aus Württemberg  u.a. 
> in Seesen und salzburgische Emigranten in Niedersachsen an sog. wüsten  
> Plätzen.
>  
> Für Hinweise wäre ich sehr dankbar!

In Bielefeld gibt es den Verein der Salzburger.
Salzburger Verein e.V.
Schleswiger Str. 16
Tel. 2994404
Fax. 2994405

Vielleicht lohnt sich eine Anfrage.

Grüße aus Bielefeld

Klaus Stahl


[HN] Gersten area

Date: 2005/11/14 16:33:50
From: Pat Iverson <iverson1(a)hickorytech.net>

Looking for information on Drees, Theisman(n) and Schonhoff from the Gersten and Lingen area.

Thank you,
Pat Iverson

Re: [HN] Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen

Date: 2005/11/14 16:46:37
From: HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Die Angaben stimmen, der Ortsteil heißt Salzburg, Gruß Heinrich
-----Original Message-----
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:24:21 +0100
Subject: Re: [HN] Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen
From: k-d-wolf(a)t-online.de
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

Hallo Hermann Nobel!

Salzburger Protestanten sind nach ihrer Vertreibung u.a. in und um
Coppenbruegge
haengen geblieben. Coppenbruegge liegt zwischen Osterwald und Deister,
etwa
35 Km suedwestlich von Hannover. Im Dreieck zwischen Hildesheim-Hannover
und
Hameln, direkt an der B-1.
Es gibt -so glaube ich- heute noch Ortsteile, bzw, Strassen, die auf die
Salzburger bezug nehmen.

MfG
Klaus-Dieter Wolf
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Re: [HN] Gersten area

Date: 2005/11/14 17:19:49
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Pat,
       You will find those names if you search here:

     http://meta.genealogy.net/metasuche/index.jsp

Barbara


on 11/14/05 8:33 AM, Pat Iverson at iverson1(a)hickorytech.net wrote:

> Looking for information on Drees, Theisman(n) and Schonhoff from the Gersten
> and Lingen area.
> 
> Thank you,
> Pat Iverson
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Re: [HN] Gersten area

Date: 2005/11/14 17:34:29
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Pat,
do you know this emigration records from "Kreis Lingen":

Clemens August Drees, born 5.Febr.1876 Gersten, parish Lengerich
emigrated 1892 together with Theresia Drees, born about 1860, to Wabasha Mines
married 22.Apr.1913 in Wabasha St.Felicis to Elisabeth Koelker.
parents: Heuermann Bernard Drees and Anna Theresia Schonhoff

Johann Clemens Theismann, born 26.Oct.1872 in Lengerich
emigrated 1892
parents: Heuermann Johann Clemens Teismann and Maria Carolina Manemann

I hope it help,
Werner Honkomp

> Looking for information on Drees, Theisman(n) and Schonhoff from the
> Gersten and Lingen area.

> Thank you,
> Pat Iverson
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Re: [HN] Mailingliste Ostwestfalen-Lippe?

Date: 2005/11/14 17:34:30
From: Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Hallo ,

Es gibt eine Yahoo Mailingliste für Lippe !

Jacobus / Holland .



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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:39 PM
Subject: [HN] Mailingliste Ostwestfalen-Lippe?


Ich suche etwas in Lüchtringen bei Höxter. Weiß jemand, ob es eine
Mailingsliste für Ostwestfalen-Lippe gibt?
Klaus Kunze

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Re: [HN] Mailingliste Ostwestfalen-Lippe?

Date: 2005/11/14 18:18:17
From: KlausKunzeUslar <KlausKunzeUslar(a)aol.com>

Haben Sie dazu eine Internet-Adresse?
KK

[HN] Kirchenbücher von Gelsenkirchen ( mehrer e Namen)

Date: 2005/11/14 19:15:38
From: Elke Schulzke <elke46(a)msn.com>

Guten Tag,
ich habe Ernst Gollan geb. 21.07.1925 in Gelsenkirchen - Buer, gestorben 09.09.1944 in Wieliszew.

Margarete ( Grete) Rapp geb. Ostrowski geb. 21.01.1906 in Gelsenkirchen, gest. 07.09.1987
Vater: Karl Ostrovski geb. 29.12.1876 in Steinberg
Mutter: Auguste Ostrovski geb. Konietzka, geb. 06.05.1882 in Roggen
 Tochter: Friedrike geb. Ostrovski geb. 20.12.1910 verh. Koßmann
              Johann Koßmann geb. 08.03.1908
Inge Koßmann geb. 02.09.1933 sie wohnte in Gelsenkirchen.
Gib es Kirchenbücher von Gelsenkirchen ?
Wo ist der Ort Roggen und Steinberg ?
Elke46(a)msn.com
Mit freundlichem Gruß
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[HN] Ahnensuche Detjen und Prigge

Date: 2005/11/14 20:04:00
From: Bernhard Detjen <b_detjen(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo Listenmitglieder,

herzlichen Dank auf diesem Wege an Alle, die mir auf
meine Anfrage Informationen und auch Anfragen
geschickt haben. Ich werde jetzt alle erhaltenen Daten
mit meinen Daten abgleichen und melde mich jeweils,
wenn ich hierbei auf neue Erkenntnisse stosse. Bei der
Fülle dieser Daten werde ich aber einige Zeit hierfür
benötigen.

Hier noch einmal der Wortlaut meiner Anfrage für all
diejenigen, die ich hier in der Liste noch nicht
erreicht habe:

---------------------

Datum: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:10:36 +0100 (CET) 
Von: "Bernhard Detjen" <b_detjen(a)yahoo.de> 
Betreff: Ahnensuche Detjen und Prigge 

    
Liebe Listenmitglieder,

bin neu in dieser Mailingliste und habe gleich
Wünsche.
Ich befasse mich seit rund drei Jahren mit der
Erforschung der Namen Detjen und Prigge zwischen Weser
und Elbe. Mit Angeheirateten und Kindern habe ich
inzwischen sehr viele Namen zusammengetragen,
teilweise zurück bis ins Jahr 1400.
Mein Vater Heinrich Detjen stammt aus Gross Meckelsen,
Nähe Sittensen und seine und damit natürlich auch
meine Ahnen kommen aus Klein Meckelsen, Ippensen,
Vierden und Marschhorst.
Meine Mutter ist eine geborene Prigge und ihr Vater
Hermann Prigge kommt aus Ottensen, Nähe Buxtehude.
Verheiratet war Hermann Prigge mit Wilhelmine Detjen
aus Halvesbostel. Die Eltern von Wilhelmine Detjen
waren Johann Hinrich Detjen aus Bockhorst und
Catharina Klindworth aus Halvesbostel. Der weitere Weg
zurück führt nach Hollenstedt und Tostedt.

Alleine das Vorkommen desselben Familienanmens in
"beiden Linien" reizt zum Weitermachen. Ob wohl mit
Hilfe dieser Anfrage etwas Licht ins Dunkel kommt?
Bin für jede Hilfe dankbar.
 
Herzliche Grüsse
Bernhard (Detjen)
--------------------------
Nachtrag hierzu: Das Bockhorst liegt im Kreis Stade in
der Nähe von Halvesbostel, Sauensiek

Würde mich über Antworten zu meiner Anfrage sehr
freuen.

Grüsse von
Bernhard (Detjen)

-----------------------

Bin natürlich auch jetzt noch für weitere
Informationen sehr dankbar.



	

	
		
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Re: [HN] Mailingliste Ostwestfalen-Lippe?

Date: 2005/11/14 20:05:01
From: Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Die Adresse lautet :
http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/ 
                                          Lippe-Forum/messages
Jacobus / Holland 


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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Mailingliste Ostwestfalen-Lippe?


> Haben Sie dazu eine Internet-Adresse?
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Re: [HN] Mailingliste Ostwestfalen-Lippe?

Date: 2005/11/14 20:48:24
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Hallo Herr Kunze,

bei genealogy.net ist mir nur die Westfalen-Liste bekannt, die auch OWL mit abdeckt:

http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/westfalen-l

Viele Grüße,

Björn Sassenberg


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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:39 PM
Subject: [HN] Mailingliste Ostwestfalen-Lippe?


Ich suche etwas in Lüchtringen bei Höxter. Weiß jemand, ob es eine
Mailingsliste für Ostwestfalen-Lippe gibt?
Klaus Kunze

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[HN] Honigs Wildemann

Date: 2005/11/14 22:48:11
From: Colleen O'Dea <colleen(a)spiritsurveying.com.au>

Recently I put a post on this list regarding the Honig family in Hannover.
    I would like to thank Barbara for her information regarding Emmigration.
I
    found the family listed by following her instructions and found out
today
    their birth dates, a original place of birth of the Honig ancestor who
came
    to Australia and his wife's last name - Steinbruck).  So thanks for that
    Barbara it was greatly appreciated.
    Now I'm going to ask if any Listies have any connections to Steinbruck's
    from Hannover and is Wildemann a town with a particular region or any
    information.  My next is to find out how I can trace birth records for
Carl
    Friedrich Louis Honig.  Any ideas?
    Kind Regards
    Colleen
    colleen(a)spiritsurveying.com.au
Kind Regards

Colleen O'Dea
Spirit Surveys and Contracting

ABN 105 573 331
07 3818 6644
043996 7778


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Re: [HN] Kirchenbücher von Gelsenkirchen ( mehrere Namen)

Date: 2005/11/15 00:57:53
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,

     A search for Friedrich Gollan - Buer/GelsenKirchen here:

     http://meta.genealogy.net/metasuche/index.jsp

    You will find: 

    1 Jacob Ostrowski ( - )
       + Catharina Jeromin ( - )
         2 Michael Ostrowski (1852  Wyrog/Neuseenwalde - )
           + Wilhelmine Lörzek (1855  - )
             3 Karl Ostrowski (1876  Olschienen (?) - )
               + Auguste Konietzka ( - )
                  4 Erna Ostrowski ( - )
                   + Franz Johann Sobotta ( - )
             3 Wilhelmine Ostrowski (1898  Hamarudau/Ortelsburg - 1977
Goslar)
               + Friedrich Gollan (1898  Abbau Olschowken - )
                 4 Friedrich Gollan (0  Buer/Gelsenkirchen - )
                   + Margarethe Gerda Gruhn (0  Stolz/Frankenstein - )
                     5 Elke Gollan (0  Wolfsburg - )
                       + Hartmut Günther Schulzke (0  Havelberg/Schönhausen
- )
                     5 Sieglinde Gollan ( - )
                       + Ralf Rauls ( - )
                         6 Nicole Rauls ( - )
                     5 Dietmar Gollan ( - )

Gerhard Becker 
gerhard(a)becker-neuried.de

 Olschienen (above) is in Poland.

   Use www.mapquest.com to search for cities in Poland.  Steinberg and
Roggen are probably German names for cities in Poland.

Barbara





on 11/14/05 11:15 AM, Elke Schulzke at elke46(a)msn.com wrote:

> Guten Tag,
> ich habe Ernst Gollan geb. 21.07.1925 in Gelsenkirchen - Buer, gestorben
> 09.09.1944 in Wieliszew.
> 
> Margarete ( Grete) Rapp geb. Ostrowski geb. 21.01.1906 in Gelsenkirchen,
> gest. 07.09.1987
> Vater: Karl Ostrovski geb. 29.12.1876 in Steinberg
> Mutter: Auguste Ostrovski geb. Konietzka, geb. 06.05.1882 in Roggen
> Tochter: Friedrike geb. Ostrovski geb. 20.12.1910 verh. Koßmann
> Johann Koßmann geb. 08.03.1908
> Inge Koßmann geb. 02.09.1933 sie wohnte in Gelsenkirchen.
> Gib es Kirchenbücher von Gelsenkirchen ?
> Wo ist der Ort Roggen und Steinberg ?
> Elke46(a)msn.com
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[HN] Klindworth aus Daerstorf

Date: 2005/11/15 18:04:28
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer !

Vor einigen Wochen oder Monaten hat jemand von Euch nach "KLINDWORTH aus Daerstorf/Kirchspiel Elstorf" gefragt. Da ich seinerzeit keine Gelegenheit zum Antworten hatte und mir zwischendurch die E-Mail abhanden gekommen ist, biete ich heute an, mir die Anfrage noch einmal an meine private E-Mail-Adresse  zu senden, da mir möglicherweise die gewünschten Daten heute zur Verfügung stehen.
Schönen Gruß aus Hamburg
Rolf Schulenburg rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de

[HN] Lammers in Buffalo County, Nebraska

Date: 2005/11/15 19:17:16
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info>

R&B Stewart wrote:
Mona,
       The original John Lammers (my great-grandfather) from Sustrum
Hannover came without family, but with a few friends, in about 1853 or
perhaps before.  He first lived in Cincinnati, married there in 1854 and had
one child.  They moved to New Vienna Iowa for a few years having more
children and finally settled in northeastern Nebraska. It was (and still) is
a farming community with small towns in Cedar County, NE.  There were 18
children and they all had many more children.  Some of them left that area
through the years.  If any moved to south-central Nebraska, I couldn't be
sure.  If you give me names, I could look them up in the huge book we have
of all his descendants.

I have record of Harm Lubben Lammers and wife Margaretha Sophia Friedricka Eils. One son Henry Harm immigrated in 1880. Another son Amo immigrated in 1884. Immigration dates according to census records, and I've often found those dates to be off a bit. I have that Henry was born in Hannover, and Amo was born Friedricksgraden, Germany.

Three sons of Amo Lammers three of my dad's sisters. I haven't really researched the Lammers family.

Not sure if the parents came to the US. Henry and Amo lived in Buffalo County, Nebraska.

Mona

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[HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/15 19:50:16
From: Sandra Powell <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net>

In January 2003 I asked for help in locating my gg grandparents who immigrated from Hannover to Indiana in, I thought, 1866. I had a copy of John Schrader's Declaration of Intent which was filed in Jackson County, Indiana on 30 Mar 1867.  I knew, from census records that the family was in Jackson County in 1870 and 1880, and then I lost track of them. Several of you--Barbara, Joe, John and Gary--offered advice and help, and I read all the microfilm I could find for passenger lists from Bremen to Baltimore, but couldn't positively identify the  family.  All of the spelling variations and other muddled information were confusing, and I would give up periodically and then try again.  Patience and perseverance finally paid off.

I am happy to report that I located the family through a daughter's Jackson County marriage license. The daughter and her husband, my gg grandparents, and a son were all together in Ripley County, IN.  Information in later census records indicated the family immigrated in 1865, and I found their passenger list.  They (Johann Hch., Catherine, Carl, Joh. Heinr., and Anna Marie Schroeder) sailed from Bremen on the ship Ocean, captained by B. Gaerdes, and arrived in Baltimore on 08 Nov 1865.  I found them at Genealogy.com in the Germans to America, 1850-1874 list, and at Ancestry.com in the Baltimore Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1872.  The spelling is Schroeder on one list and Schroder on the other, and the information given is slightly different, but the basic information matches.  I am so excited, and grateful to all who encouraged me to keep looking.  I am now ordering death certificates, and hope to learn exactly where they lived in Hanover.

Now I have another question.  I haven't found a transcription of that passenger list online.  Does anyone know if a transcription is available, or do I need to order the microfilm to see if related families were with them?  Also, I located the ship on the American Lloyd's Register of American and Foreign Shipping at the Mystic Seaport website, but there was not a picture available at that website.  I would like to have a picture of the Ocean or a similar ship.  My g grandfather died before I was born, but my cousins who knew him and have told me all those family stories we treasure, often express interest in the type of ship on which our Schroeder ancestors sailed.  I would really like to find an example of such a ship to show them.

I apologize for the long message, but I hope other frustrated researchers will be encouraged to keep searching.  And I especially want to thank the people who helped me.

Sandra Powell


Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/15 20:31:41
From: Sylvia Elchinger <sylvia.elchinger(a)verizon.net>

There's a book called "Ships of Our Ancestors" - you might want to try there for a picture of the Ocean. Regarding the entire passenger list for the Nov 8 crossing, you can get this from Ancestry. From the main page, click on the Search tab, then at the lower right side of the screen, click on the header for Immigration and Passenger lists (not any of the data bases listed below the header). On the next screen, simply leave the name fields blank, but enter the year - 1865 - the port of departure - Bremen - the port of arrival - Baltimore - and the name of the ship - Ocean. This will return a list of 309 passengers who were on the ship with the Schroeders.

Regards,
Sylvia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Powell" <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:49 PM
Subject: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!


In January 2003 I asked for help in locating my gg grandparents who immigrated from Hannover to Indiana in, I thought, 1866. I had a copy of John Schrader's Declaration of Intent which was filed in Jackson County, Indiana on 30 Mar 1867. I knew, from census records that the family was in Jackson County in 1870 and 1880, and then I lost track of them. Several of you--Barbara, Joe, John and Gary--offered advice and help, and I read all the microfilm I could find for passenger lists from Bremen to Baltimore, but couldn't positively identify the family. All of the spelling variations and other muddled information were confusing, and I would give up periodically and then try again. Patience and perseverance finally paid off.

I am happy to report that I located the family through a daughter's Jackson County marriage license. The daughter and her husband, my gg grandparents, and a son were all together in Ripley County, IN. Information in later census records indicated the family immigrated in 1865, and I found their passenger list. They (Johann Hch., Catherine, Carl, Joh. Heinr., and Anna Marie Schroeder) sailed from Bremen on the ship Ocean, captained by B. Gaerdes, and arrived in Baltimore on 08 Nov 1865. I found them at Genealogy.com in the Germans to America, 1850-1874 list, and at Ancestry.com in the Baltimore Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1872. The spelling is Schroeder on one list and Schroder on the other, and the information given is slightly different, but the basic information matches. I am so excited, and grateful to all who encouraged me to keep looking. I am now ordering death certificates, and hope to learn exactly where they lived in Hanover.

Now I have another question. I haven't found a transcription of that passenger list online. Does anyone know if a transcription is available, or do I need to order the microfilm to see if related families were with them? Also, I located the ship on the American Lloyd's Register of American and Foreign Shipping at the Mystic Seaport website, but there was not a picture available at that website. I would like to have a picture of the Ocean or a similar ship. My g grandfather died before I was born, but my cousins who knew him and have told me all those family stories we treasure, often express interest in the type of ship on which our Schroeder ancestors sailed. I would really like to find an example of such a ship to show them.

I apologize for the long message, but I hope other frustrated researchers will be encouraged to keep searching. And I especially want to thank the people who helped me.

Sandra Powell

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RE: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/15 20:32:55
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

Sandra Powell,
Go to the Palmer List of Merchant Vessels
http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/

You will find an oil painting of the ship Ocean and a description of the
ship.

I don't know where you live but if you are near one of the sites of the
National Archives (NARA) you will likely find there a microfilm of the
passenger list. If you have access to an LDS Family History Center you can
probably order the film.

Paul Scheele

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandra Powell
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:50 AM
> To: Hannover-L
> Subject: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!
> 
> In January 2003 I asked for help in locating my gg grandparents who
> immigrated from Hannover to Indiana in, I thought, 1866. I had a copy of
> John Schrader's Declaration of Intent which was filed in Jackson County,
> Indiana on 30 Mar 1867.  I knew, from census records that the family was
> in Jackson County in 1870 and 1880, and then I lost track of them. Several
> of you--Barbara, Joe, John and Gary--offered advice and help, and I read
> all the microfilm I could find for passenger lists from Bremen to
> Baltimore, but couldn't positively identify the  family.  All of the
> spelling variations and other muddled information were confusing, and I
> would give up periodically and then try again.  Patience and perseverance
> finally paid off.
> 
> I am happy to report that I located the family through a daughter's
> Jackson County marriage license. The daughter and her husband, my gg
> grandparents, and a son were all together in Ripley County, IN.
> Information in later census records indicated the family immigrated in
> 1865, and I found their passenger list.  They (Johann Hch., Catherine,
> Carl, Joh. Heinr., and Anna Marie Schroeder) sailed from Bremen on the
> ship Ocean, captained by B. Gaerdes, and arrived in Baltimore on 08 Nov
> 1865.  I found them at Genealogy.com in the Germans to America, 1850-1874
> list, and at Ancestry.com in the Baltimore Passenger and Immigration
> Lists, 1820-1872.  The spelling is Schroeder on one list and Schroder on
> the other, and the information given is slightly different, but the basic
> information matches.  I am so excited, and grateful to all who encouraged
> me to keep looking.  I am now ordering death certificates, and hope to
> learn exactly where they lived in Hanover.
> 
> Now I have another question.  I haven't found a transcription of that
> passenger list online.  Does anyone know if a transcription is available,
> or do I need to order the microfilm to see if related families were with
> them?  Also, I located the ship on the American Lloyd's Register of
> American and Foreign Shipping at the Mystic Seaport website, but there was
> not a picture available at that website.  I would like to have a picture
> of the Ocean or a similar ship.  My g grandfather died before I was born,
> but my cousins who knew him and have told me all those family stories we
> treasure, often express interest in the type of ship on which our
> Schroeder ancestors sailed.  I would really like to find an example of
> such a ship to show them.
> 
> I apologize for the long message, but I hope other frustrated researchers
> will be encouraged to keep searching.  And I especially want to thank the
> people who helped me.
> 
> Sandra Powell
> 
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Re: [HN] Lammers in Buffalo County, Nebraska

Date: 2005/11/15 20:49:09
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello  Mona,
    I'm sorry but I don't find any connection between the Lammers family you
mentioned and my family.
Sorry,
Barbara



on 11/15/05 11:24 AM, Mona at HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info wrote:

> R&B Stewart wrote:
>> Mona,
>> The original John Lammers (my great-grandfather) from Sustrum
>> Hannover came without family, but with a few friends, in about 1853 or
>> perhaps before.  He first lived in Cincinnati, married there in 1854 and had
>> one child.  They moved to New Vienna Iowa for a few years having more
>> children and finally settled in northeastern Nebraska. It was (and still) is
>> a farming community with small towns in Cedar County, NE.  There were 18
>> children and they all had many more children.  Some of them left that area
>> through the years.  If any moved to south-central Nebraska, I couldn't be
>> sure.  If you give me names, I could look them up in the huge book we have
>> of all his descendants.
> 
> I have record of Harm Lubben Lammers and wife Margaretha Sophia
> Friedricka Eils.  One son Henry Harm immigrated in 1880.  Another son
> Amo immigrated in 1884.  Immigration dates according to census records,
> and I've often found those dates to be off a bit.   I have that Henry
> was born in Hannover, and Amo was born Friedricksgraden, Germany.
> 
> Three sons of Amo Lammers three of my dad's sisters.  I haven't really
> researched the Lammers family.
> 
> Not sure if the parents came to the US.  Henry and Amo lived in Buffalo
> County, Nebraska.
> 
> Mona


RE: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/15 21:52:44
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

NARA passenger lists are available indeed from the LDS organization. You can search for and order the necessary films c/o your local FHC (and possibly online). If you really want to push it to the hilt, you could attempt to nab documentation of both ends of the crossing, the port of embarkation as well as the port of arrival. This is more a matter of luck (available resources being what they are), and will also be somewhat redundant should both be found. But the records are not necessarily rubber stamps of each other, as you will see if you compare them.

Jb

Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net> wrote:
I don't know where you live but if you are near one of the sites of the
National Archives (NARA) you will likely find there a microfilm of the
passenger list. If you have access to an LDS Family History Center you can
probably order the film.

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Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/15 21:54:20
From: Sandra Powell <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net>

Paul,

Perfect.  This is exactly what I needed.  Thanks so much.

I rented the LDS film when I first went through the various ships list, but I don't think I renewed them enough times for the films to have been retained at the local family history center. Another lister told me how to pull up the Ocean's passenger list on Ancestry.com so I can check the other passengers.

Sandra Powell


----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Scheele" <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!


Sandra Powell,
Go to the Palmer List of Merchant Vessels
http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/

You will find an oil painting of the ship Ocean and a description of the
ship.

I don't know where you live but if you are near one of the sites of the
National Archives (NARA) you will likely find there a microfilm of the
passenger list. If you have access to an LDS Family History Center you can
probably order the film.

Paul Scheele



Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/15 22:03:02
From: Sandra Powell <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net>

Sylvia,

Thanks for sharing that tip with me. I can start going through the list now and not have to wait for an LDS microfilm order. Another on the list gave me the URL for a website with a picture of an oil painting and a description of the Ocean, so I've had a good day!

I really appreciate your help.

Sandra


----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Elchinger" <sylvia.elchinger(a)verizon.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!


There's a book called "Ships of Our Ancestors" - you might want to try there for a picture of the Ocean. Regarding the entire passenger list for the Nov 8 crossing, you can get this from Ancestry. From the main page, click on the Search tab, then at the lower right side of the screen, click on the header for Immigration and Passenger lists (not any of the data bases listed below the header). On the next screen, simply leave the name fields blank, but enter the year - 1865 - the port of departure - Bremen - the port of arrival - Baltimore - and the name of the ship - Ocean. This will return a list of 309 passengers who were on the ship with the Schroeders.

Regards,
Sylvia



Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/15 22:36:02
From: Sandra Powell <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net>

Jb

I'm sure I will be reading LDS microfilm soon. I can believe that the embarkation information would be somewhat different, because the information from Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com differed. Genealogy.com provided the captain's name, which helped to locate more information about the ship. At some point, I'm sure I will want to get a copy of the passenger list image from the microfilm. Yes, I can be a tad obsessive. <smile>

Some of the family are buried in a Lutheran cemetery, so I have written to the church to see if they have information about the Schroeders. I hope there is information somewhere that will give me their original location in Hannover. My grandmother's family is my only line that is not English-speaking, so future research will be a new challenge. Fortunately, I have a friend who can translate German documents.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check to see if the Bremen records are available. I have read that many of those records were destroyed.

Sandra

----- Original Message ----- From: "J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!


NARA passenger lists are available indeed from the LDS organization. You can search for and order the necessary films c/o your local FHC (and possibly online). If you really want to push it to the hilt, you could attempt to nab documentation of both ends of the crossing, the port of embarkation as well as the port of arrival. This is more a matter of luck (available resources being what they are), and will also be somewhat redundant should both be found. But the records are not necessarily rubber stamps of each other, as you will see if you compare them.

Jb



Re: [HN] Lammers in Buffalo County, Nebraska

Date: 2005/11/16 01:57:12
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info>

R&B Stewart wrote:
Hello  Mona,
    I'm sorry but I don't find any connection between the Lammers family you
mentioned and my family.

Thanks for checking, Barb. I just thought it would be fun to compare notes. :-)

Mona
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Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/16 03:59:38
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Congratulations to you!

       You certainly have worked hard at a very difficult search.
Schroeder, Schröder, Schrader !!! Such a common German name.  I can't
remember the details of your family.  John and Catherine were the parents of
Carl, John Henry, and Anna Marie, right?  Do you have approximate ages on
any of them?  Also,  where did they settle in this country?  And what
religion were they?  I have been snooping around, but a little more
information would help.  You probably included those details in your
previous inquiry in 2003. You've done well - maybe one of the death
certificates will hold the information on birthplace. One can only hope!

Barbara


on 11/15/05 2:35 PM, Sandra Powell at sandrapowell(a)cableone.net wrote:

> Jb
> 
> I'm sure I will be reading LDS microfilm soon.  I can believe that the
> embarkation information would be somewhat different, because the information
> from Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com differed.  Genealogy.com provided the
> captain's name, which helped to locate more information about the ship.  At
> some point, I'm sure I will want to get a copy of the passenger list image
> from the microfilm.  Yes, I can be a tad obsessive. <smile>
> 
> Some of the family are buried in a Lutheran cemetery, so I have written to
> the church to see if they have information about the Schroeders.  I hope
> there is information somewhere that will give me their original location in
> Hannover.  My grandmother's family is my only line that is not
> English-speaking, so future research will be a new challenge.  Fortunately,
> I have a friend who can translate German documents.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll check to see if the Bremen records are
> available.  I have read that many of those records were destroyed.
> 
> Sandra
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J b" <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!
> 
> 
>> NARA passenger lists are available indeed from the LDS organization. You
>> can search for and order the necessary films c/o your local FHC (and
>> possibly online). If you really want to push it to the hilt, you could
>> attempt to nab documentation of both ends of the crossing, the port of
>> embarkation as well as the port of arrival. This is more a matter of luck
>> (available resources being what they are), and will also be somewhat
>> redundant should both be found. But the records are not necessarily rubber
>> stamps of each other, as you will see if you compare them.
>> 
>> Jb
> 
> 
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[HN] Meier

Date: 2005/11/16 11:25:02
From: Klaus Stahl <stahl-wie-eisen(a)T-Online.de>

Liebe Mitleser/-innen!

In der Rotenburger Rundschau vom 24.10.2005 steht der interessante Bericht: "Keine Feier ohne Meier, Meyer, Maier, Mayer, Mayr oder Mair". Zusätzlich zu dem bisher in der Liste Gesagten finden sich hier Erklärungen zu den Begriffen: "bemeiert" und "abgemeiert". Außerdem begründet der Autor die Vielzahl der "Komposita-Meier".
Im dtv-Atlas: "Namenkunde" findet sich eine Karte mit dem Verbreitungsgebiet der verschiedenen Meier-Schreibweisen. Mei(y)er in Niedersachsen, die Komposita-Meier in Ost-Westfalen und die Mai(y)er südlich des "Weißwurst-Aequators". In Westfalen herrscht der Name "Schulte" vor.


http://rotenburger-rundschau.de

The feature with the title with the German saying: "No celebration without Meier", here a little bit changed, is a good supplement.
The author tells us that the Meyers got mightier and mightier. The landowners believed too mighty. In the 13./14. centurie they broke down the "Meierhöfe" and let them to lease. The new landholders on the smaller farms (Halbmeier, Kleinmeier) got the name "Meier", too, in many cases with the compound as Gersten-maier, Brinkmeier .. .
If the the lean was not prolonged, the farmer was "abgemeiert".

A map with the spreading of the different Meier-spellings you may find  in the dtv-Atlas: "Namenkunde". 

 Grüße, kind regards

Klaus (Stahl)


[HN] Festgelaufen in Meppen

Date: 2005/11/16 13:37:59
From: Wim Kruikemeier <w.kruikemeier(a)chello.nl>

Hallo



Mein Vorfahr Berend Mauritz Kruckemeyer war Militär in das Garnison der Festung Meppen auf jeden Fall von 1723 bis 1728. Ist da jemand der weist welcher  Regiment (Kavallerie oder Dragoner oder so etwas) das war und was die Verlegung von das Regiment war. Welcher Herzogtum, Königreich  oder Bistum das gesetzmässige Gewalt war in die zeit über das Regiment oder Garnison. Wie der kommandant heisste und besonders wo die anmusterung stattfindete und möglich archiviert werde.  Oder weissen Sie wie ich das herausfinden könte. Ich bin ganz und gar festgelaufen 



Vielen dank 







Re: [HN] Klindworth aus Daerstorf

Date: 2005/11/16 15:18:19
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

I am researching Catherine Marie Klintworth born  about 1820 and married 
Johann Quell in Mulsum, Germany.  Catherine's father was Hans.

Have a Nice Day!  Jill
I am currently researching the following names:
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime
nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalsk
i,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin
ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin
ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
Jill Leimkuehler











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Re: [HN] Klindworth aus Daerstorf

Date: 2005/11/16 15:34:06
From: Christina und Horst Rauschenberg <ChrAnHo(a)t-online.de>

Guten Tag.
Mulsum Kreis Stade:
Johann Quell, Anbauer, * Aspe 23.5.1800, + Aspe 5.12.1870
oo Mulsum 12.4.1839
Catharina Marie Klindtworth, * Agathenburg, Tochter des Häuslings Hans Klindtworth
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Horst Rauschenberg

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I am researching Catherine Marie Klintworth born  about 1820 and married
Johann Quell in Mulsum, Germany.  Catherine's father was Hans.

Have a Nice Day!  Jill
I am currently researching the following names:
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime
nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalsk
i,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin
ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin
ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
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Re: [HN] Klindworth aus Daerstorf

Date: 2005/11/16 16:41:25
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

Catherine Marie Klindtworth was my great, great grandmother and I knew she 
was from Agathenburg, but I do not know her date for birth or have any 
information on her or her father Hans Klindtworth.  Thank you for your help.
Have a Nice Day!  Jill

I am currently researching the following names:
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime
nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalsk
i,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin
ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin
ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
Jill Leimkuehler











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Re: [HN] Klindworth aus Daerstorf

Date: 2005/11/16 16:47:54
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Mulsum is a part of Kutenholz, there are two addresses:

Klindworth, Anja u. Frank
  In der Bült 23C
  27449 Kutenholz

Klintworth, Jens
  Rohrweg 25
  27449 Kutenholz

Daerstorf is a part of Neu Wulfsdorf, there some addresses:

Klindtworth, Alma
  Moorweg 50
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf

Klindtworth, Jürgen
  Jungfrauenweg 9A
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf

Klindtworth, Udo
  Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 36
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf

Klindtworth, Uwe u. Kroge,
  Buxtehuder Str. 48
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf

Klindworth, Gunda
  Elbblick 4D
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf

Klindworth, Hans-Jochen
  Alte Dorfstr. 2
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf

Klindworth, Manfred Kapitän
  Bahnhofstr. 74
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf

Klindworth, Ralf u. Ina
  Hindenburger Str. 29
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf

Klintworth, Heinz
  Klaus-Groth-Str. 8
  21629 Neu Wulmstorf


 Good luck,
Werner





> I am researching Catherine Marie Klintworth born  about 1820 and married
> Johann Quell in Mulsum, Germany.  Catherine's father was Hans.

> Have a Nice Day!  Jill
> I am currently researching the following names:
> Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiew
> iez,
> Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Kli
> ndtw
> orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,L
> eime
> nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piech
> alsk
> i,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,S
> prin
> ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wi
> stin
> ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
> Jill Leimkuehler











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RE: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/16 17:48:22
From: Follmer, Leon <follmer(a)isgs.uiuc.edu>

Sandra,

In an earlier message you mentioned Ripley County, Indiana. Do you have
any more information about where they lived, etc?  Is the Cemetery you
mention in Ripley County?  There are many Schroders in the New and Old
Finks Cemeteries north of Osgood, and many living descendants in the
neighborhood.

My father's mother was Christina Schroder, a daughter of John Henry
Schroder. As I recall he was born in 1840 and killed in a buggy accident
about 1880. I don't know anything about his parents or siblings, but
have been hoping to find out. 


Leon Follmer
Savoy, Illinois

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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces+follmer=isgs.uiuc.edu(a)genealogy.net] On
Behalf Of Sandra Powell
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:36 PM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Jb

I'm sure I will be reading LDS microfilm soon.  I can believe that the 
embarkation information would be somewhat different, because the
information 
from Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com differed.  Genealogy.com provided
the 
captain's name, which helped to locate more information about the ship.
At 
some point, I'm sure I will want to get a copy of the passenger list
image 
from the microfilm.  Yes, I can be a tad obsessive. <smile>

Some of the family are buried in a Lutheran cemetery, so I have written
to 
the church to see if they have information about the Schroeders.  I hope

there is information somewhere that will give me their original location
in 
Hannover.  My grandmother's family is my only line that is not 
English-speaking, so future research will be a new challenge.
Fortunately, 
I have a friend who can translate German documents.

Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll check to see if the Bremen records are 
available.  I have read that many of those records were destroyed.

Sandra

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Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!


> NARA passenger lists are available indeed from the LDS organization.
You 
> can search for and order the necessary films c/o your local FHC (and 
> possibly online). If you really want to push it to the hilt, you could

> attempt to nab documentation of both ends of the crossing, the port of

> embarkation as well as the port of arrival. This is more a matter of
luck 
> (available resources being what they are), and will also be somewhat 
> redundant should both be found. But the records are not necessarily
rubber 
> stamps of each other, as you will see if you compare them.
>
> Jb


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Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/16 18:25:01
From: GERALD BAILEY <gbailey(a)flash.net>

Hi- I am also looking for information on my Schroeder
family that came from the Hannover area of Germany,
but do not know the city. The two brothers came at
different times to SE MN around the Chatfield-
Fountain area. Wilhelm Schroder came in about 1879 and
his brother Fred Schroeder came in about 1881. This is
all I know as to how they got to the USA. Do you see
any matches with your family? Gerry

--- Sandra Powell <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net> wrote:

> In January 2003 I asked for help in locating my gg
> grandparents who immigrated from Hannover to Indiana
> in, I thought, 1866. I had a copy of John Schrader's
> Declaration of Intent which was filed in Jackson
> County, Indiana on 30 Mar 1867.  I knew, from census
> records that the family was in Jackson County in
> 1870 and 1880, and then I lost track of them.
> Several of you--Barbara, Joe, John and Gary--offered
> advice and help, and I read all the microfilm I
> could find for passenger lists from Bremen to
> Baltimore, but couldn't positively identify the 
> family.  All of the spelling variations and other
> muddled information were confusing, and I would give
> up periodically and then try again.  Patience and
> perseverance finally paid off.
> 
> I am happy to report that I located the family
> through a daughter's Jackson County marriage
> license. The daughter and her husband, my gg
> grandparents, and a son were all together in Ripley
> County, IN.  Information in later census records
> indicated the family immigrated in 1865, and I found
> their passenger list.  They (Johann Hch., Catherine,
> Carl, Joh. Heinr., and Anna Marie Schroeder) sailed
> from Bremen on the ship Ocean, captained by B.
> Gaerdes, and arrived in Baltimore on 08 Nov 1865.  I
> found them at Genealogy.com in the Germans to
> America, 1850-1874 list, and at Ancestry.com in the
> Baltimore Passenger and Immigration Lists,
> 1820-1872.  The spelling is Schroeder on one list
> and Schroder on the other, and the information given
> is slightly different, but the basic information
> matches.  I am so excited, and grateful to all who
> encouraged me to keep looking.  I am now ordering
> death certificates, and hope to learn exactly where
> they lived in Hanover.
> 
> Now I have another question.  I haven't found a
> transcription of that passenger list online.  Does
> anyone know if a transcription is available, or do I
> need to order the microfilm to see if related
> families were with them?  Also, I located the ship
> on the American Lloyd's Register of American and
> Foreign Shipping at the Mystic Seaport website, but
> there was not a picture available at that website. 
> I would like to have a picture of the Ocean or a
> similar ship.  My g grandfather died before I was
> born, but my cousins who knew him and have told me
> all those family stories we treasure, often express
> interest in the type of ship on which our Schroeder
> ancestors sailed.  I would really like to find an
> example of such a ship to show them.
> 
> I apologize for the long message, but I hope other
> frustrated researchers will be encouraged to keep
> searching.  And I especially want to thank the
> people who helped me.
> 
> Sandra Powell
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Re: [HN] Klindworth aus Daerstorf

Date: 2005/11/16 19:41:23
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Jill,

     You may find this website interesting.  There are many Klindworth and
Klintworth names there:
   http://www.eckhof.info/index.htm

     The LDS has records for Mülsum :
  Kirchenbuch, 1715-1875  Evangelische Kirche Mulsum (Kr. Stade)

Good luck,
Barbara



on 11/16/05 7:18 AM, MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com at MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com wrote:

> I am researching Catherine Marie Klintworth born  about 1820 and married
> Johann Quell in Mulsum, Germany.  Catherine's father was Hans.
> 
> Have a Nice Day!  Jill
> I am currently researching the following names:
> Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
> Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
> orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime
> nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalsk
> i,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin
> ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin
> ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
> Jill Leimkuehler
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/16 20:33:32
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Gerry,

      There is a family of Wilhelm Schroder from Prussia that came in 1879.
Is this by any chance your Wilhelm?
   http://immigrantships.net/1800/suevia18790411.html

     It doesn't give the last residence anyway, but it could be helpful
information otherwise.

     There are so many ways to write "Fred".  Do you know what his "German"
name was?

Barbara

    
    



on 11/16/05 10:24 AM, GERALD BAILEY at gbailey(a)flash.net wrote:

> Hi- I am also looking for information on my Schroeder
> family that came from the Hannover area of Germany,
> but do not know the city. The two brothers came at
> different times to SE MN around the Chatfield-
> Fountain area. Wilhelm Schroder came in about 1879 and
> his brother Fred Schroeder came in about 1881. This is
> all I know as to how they got to the USA. Do you see
> any matches with your family? Gerry
> 



Re: [HN] Honigs Wildemann

Date: 2005/11/16 21:13:59
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Wildemann is a village in the Harz mountain region, there is not a Honig address:

Here the website: http://www.wildemann.de/index.html

Good luck,
Werner


> Recently I put a post on this list regarding the Honig family in Hannover.
>     I would like to thank Barbara for her information regarding
>     Emmigration.
> I
>     found the family listed by following her instructions and found out
> today
>     their birth dates, a original place of birth of the Honig ancestor who
> came
>     to Australia and his wife's last name - Steinbruck).  So thanks for
>     that
>     Barbara it was greatly appreciated.
>     Now I'm going to ask if any Listies have any connections to
>     Steinbruck's
>     from Hannover and is Wildemann a town with a particular region or any
>     information.  My next is to find out how I can trace birth records for
> Carl
>     Friedrich Louis Honig.  Any ideas?
>     Kind Regards
>     Colleen
>     colleen(a)spiritsurveying.com.au
> Kind Regards

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Re: [HN] Honigs Wildemann

Date: 2005/11/16 22:16:22
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Colleen,

       I'm glad that you found information on your family.  There are a few
items that the LDS has on film for Wildemann:

Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche Wildemann (Kr.
Zellerfeld).

      Not a whole lot of help there.

     Do a lot of Google searches with the names Honig and Wildemann.

Barbara
      




on 11/16/05 10:40 AM, Werner Honkomp at werner(a)honkomp.de wrote:

> Wildemann is a village in the Harz mountain region, there is not a Honig
> address:
> 
> Here the website: http://www.wildemann.de/index.html
> 
> Good luck,
> Werner
> 
> 
>> Recently I put a post on this list regarding the Honig family in Hannover.
>> I would like to thank Barbara for her information regarding
>> Emmigration.
>> I
>> found the family listed by following her instructions and found out
>> today
>> their birth dates, a original place of birth of the Honig ancestor who
>> came
>> to Australia and his wife's last name - Steinbruck).  So thanks for
>> that
>> Barbara it was greatly appreciated.
>> Now I'm going to ask if any Listies have any connections to
>> Steinbruck's
>> from Hannover and is Wildemann a town with a particular region or any
>> information.  My next is to find out how I can trace birth records for
>> Carl
>> Friedrich Louis Honig.  Any ideas?
>> Kind Regards
>> Colleen
>> colleen(a)spiritsurveying.com.au
>> Kind Regards
> 
>> Colleen O'Dea
>> Spirit Surveys and Contracting
> 
>> ABN 105 573 331
>> 07 3818 6644
>> 043996 7778
> 
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Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/16 22:23:22
From: Sandra Powell <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net>

Thanks, Barbara. Until I started working on this family, I had no idea Schroeder was such a common name. It isn't at all common in my area.

The family (as I have them at the moment):
John (Johann) H., b. May 1813 Hanover; d. 9 Dec 1889 Ripley Co., IN
Catherine, b. 15 Aug 1832 Hanover; d. 27 Jan 1912  Ripley Co., IN
Charles (Carl) Henry, b. 17 Feb 1858 Hanover; d. 6 Dec 1937 Hooks, Bowie Co., TX
John (Johann) Heinrich, b. abt 1860 Hanover
Anna Marie, b Aug 1864 Hanover; d. aft 1930; married Herman H. Siebert in Jackson Co., 27 May 1886
William F., b. Jan 1870, Indiana; d. aft 1930
Louisa M., b. 24 Jan 1872 Indiana; d. 13 Aug 1893, Ripley Co., IN

Catherine, Anna Marie, and William are in the 1900 Laughery Township, Ripley County census. Anna Marie and William are also in the 1920 and 1930 Laughery Township, Ripley County census records.

I think there may be some older children. I'm trying to resolve that question now. I also think it is possible that Catherine is not the mother of all the children. She is 19 years younger, and I have a couple of items that make me wonder if she is the mother of Charles Henry, my great grandfather. John H., Catherine, and some of the children moved to Ripley County in the 1880's. Charles H. and his family were in Jackson County, IN when the 1900 census was taken. According to a family record written by my great grandmother, her children were born in Jackson, Jennings, and Knox Counties, Indiana before the family moved to Bowie County, Texas in 1907.

Their family consisted of:
Charles H., married Sarah Elizabeth Pfeiffer 5 Oct 1884 in Jennings County
Sarah Elizabeth Pfeiffer, b. 13 Mar 1866 in Jennings Co.; d. 17 Aug 1944, Bowie Co., TX
Mary Schroeder, b. 14 Oct 1885, Jackson Co.; d. 27 Apr. 1967, Bowie Co., TX
George Henry, 16 Oct 1887, Jennings Co., d. 24 Oct 1949, Bowie Co., TX
Mettie, b. 20 Feb 1890, Knox Co., d. 5 Jul 1947
Julia Ann, b. 19 Dec 1893, Knox Co., d. 19 Nov 1974, Miller County, AR (my grandmother)
Lucinda L., b. 9 Jun 1896, Jackson Co., d. 29 Jul 1972, Bowie Co., TX
John F., b. 25 Jul 1898, Jackson Co., d. 14 Nov 1968, Solano, CA
Edna, b. 6 Mar 1901; d. 21 Feb 1991, Bowie Co, Texas

I question whether Catherine is the mother of all the children in the household because in my great grandmother's family record, she writes that Charles Henry "came to United States after the War was over in the year 1866, with his father John Schroeder. Then the obit for Charles H. states he came to America with a sister at the age of seven years. I've never found a reference to Catherine as his mother, and there was a Friederike Schroeder who may be an older sister. I'm still trying to track her whereabouts. Everything we find brings new questions, right? Oh, another reason I was convinced the family immigrated in 1866 was John H.'s declaration of intent that stated his arrival date was Sep 1866. Now I wonder if that was when he arrived in Indiana.

The family was Lutheran. I've written to St. Paul's church in Batesville to see if they have more information. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the church will be able to tell me where the family lived in Germany.

Any ideas? I'm pretty much just waiting to see what comes in from Ripley County.

Sandra

----- Original Message ----- From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!


Congratulations to you!

      You certainly have worked hard at a very difficult search.
Schroeder, Schröder, Schrader !!! Such a common German name.  I can't
remember the details of your family.  John and Catherine were the parents of
Carl, John Henry, and Anna Marie, right?  Do you have approximate ages on
any of them?  Also,  where did they settle in this country?  And what
religion were they?  I have been snooping around, but a little more
information would help.  You probably included those details in your
previous inquiry in 2003. You've done well - maybe one of the death
certificates will hold the information on birthplace. One can only hope!

Barbara





Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/16 23:07:14
From: Sandra Powell <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net>

Leon,

My Schroeder family lived in Laughery Township, near Batesville in northern Ripley County. They may have lived in other parts of Ripley Co.; I just don't know. I do know that there are many, many John Henry Schroeders, which makes the search so difficult. I have also run across a lot of Christina Schroeders.

Thanks for letting me know about the Finks Cemeteries. I've been trying to access the website with Ripley Co. cemeteries, but there seems to be a problem with it today. I will check that out as soon as possible. My g grandfather had a brother named John Henry, but he was born about 1860, according to census and passenger list information. I've lost track of John Henry, and don't know what happened to him. My branch of the family moved to Texas in 1907, and apparently soon lost touch with the family in Indiana, so I know very little about the Schroeder family. I wish I had family stories about them. Most of my information is from records that show them living in Jackson, Jennings, Knox, and Ripley Counties at various times.

If I find a family that looks like it could be yours, I'll let you know.

Sandra



----- Original Message ----- From: "Follmer, Leon" <follmer(a)isgs.uiuc.edu>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!


Sandra,

In an earlier message you mentioned Ripley County, Indiana. Do you have
any more information about where they lived, etc?  Is the Cemetery you
mention in Ripley County?  There are many Schroders in the New and Old
Finks Cemeteries north of Osgood, and many living descendants in the
neighborhood.

My father's mother was Christina Schroder, a daughter of John Henry
Schroder. As I recall he was born in 1840 and killed in a buggy accident
about 1880. I don't know anything about his parents or siblings, but
have been hoping to find out.


Leon Follmer
Savoy, Illinois




Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/16 23:17:06
From: Sandra Powell <sandrapowell(a)cableone.net>

The only thing I know about my Schroeder family is that they lived in Indiana after immigrating in 1865. Then in 1907 my great grandfather moved his family to northeast Texas. It is possible that some of his siblings moved to Minnesota, but I don't know anything about them. Good luck with your search.
Sandra


----- Original Message ----- From: "GERALD BAILEY" <gbailey(a)flash.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!


Hi- I am also looking for information on my Schroeder
family that came from the Hannover area of Germany,
but do not know the city. The two brothers came at
different times to SE MN around the Chatfield-
Fountain area. Wilhelm Schroder came in about 1879 and
his brother Fred Schroeder came in about 1881. This is
all I know as to how they got to the USA. Do you see
any matches with your family? Gerry




Re: [HN] Klindworth aus Daerstorf

Date: 2005/11/17 05:18:11
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Jill,

Your note mentions researching names..

Some of your names seem similar to surnames of families of the large polish community established in Washington County, Illinois. Radom, Dubois, Ashley, Beaucoup, Posen, Tamaroa?... the vacinity of Nashville, Illininois.. Little towns along the Central Illinois Railway.

Of course many of your polish surnames can be found in many other communities. I do know that many of the W.C. polish had family ties to people in Mn, MI, In, Oh and even Pa.


Nearby counties are Jefferson, Madison, Clinton..

I also know that many of the W.C. polish people had ties in St. Louis, Missouri. Some of my people I have even found on census' in both W.C., Illinois and St. Louis, Mo. I think probobly went to St. Louis, Mo. for employment.to suppliment what little income gained from farming.

-------------

Excerpts...History of St. Michael the Archangel, Radom, Illnois 1924...

hen, there was a French-German War of 1870-1871. After this war, when Bismarck really started prosecutions of Polish, it was a beginning, as I mentioned, of the huge inflow of Polish immigrants to the United States, especially to the cities of: Buffalo, Toledo, Detroit, Chicago and Milwaukee. They were mostly veterans of the French-German war, some of them even from the Danish war and Austrian war. Almost all Radom colonists were among those newcomers. ......



Indeed, on the Saint Michael day, September 29th, 1873 a group of countrymen from Chicago left to settle permanently in Radom. This group consisted of: Michal (Michael) and Mikolaj (Nicolas) Madajowie (Madaj)* , Wincenty (Vincent) Kowalski, Jan (John) Kozielek*, and Andr(zej ) (Andrew) Pieszchalski. On arrival to Radom, they found small railroad station, not existing last Spring...

he second group arrived on St. Martin day in November. Among them were: Franciszek (Frank) and Adolf Gajewscy (Gajewski) and Franciszek (Frank) Lamczyk. At this time, or maybe a little sooner, arrived: Woj(ciech) (Vojtek?- LK) Preis, Rynski, Jan (John) Kubicki and Gawlik.

Soon arrived: Jan (John) Kurzynski, Jan (John) Nowak, Grajek, Jakób (Jacob) Zgonina, Franc(iszek) (Frank) Kwiatkowski, Labuda, Michal (Michael) Wita, Andrzej (Andrew) Pero, Mindak, Dudzik and Gloskowski.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have Pieper from Worden, DeCatur,and Edwardsville, Illinois. I'm pretty sure they also had family ties in Detroit, Michigan. The Piepers were not catholic.

Barbie Lew
St Louis




> I am currently researching the following names:

> Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski*,Cieszkiewiez*, > Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw > orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski*,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime > nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj*,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalsk* > i,Pieper*,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin > ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin
> ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
> Jill Leimkuehler
>



[HN] Finding Ship Lists and other items of interest in one step...Great site!!

Date: 2005/11/17 05:25:12
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear List,

In case you are not aware. This is really good shortcut site.

http://stevemorse.org/index.html

I even found one of my gramps marriage certificate info in the New York Groom index.

Barbie Lew
St. Louis



Re: [HN] Honigs Wildemann

Date: 2005/11/17 05:37:11
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello again,

       Are you aware that all the Honigs on the Hannover emigration list
have similar code numbers - which means that they all came from the
Clausthal-Zellerfeld, which is very near Wildemann?  That must mean that a
whole family or families emigrated - perhaps together.  Also, if you run a
search for Steinbrück, there is only one person listed with no given name,
but also from Clausthal-Zellerfeld.  That must be the woman who would marry
Carl Honig.  

Barbara




on 11/16/05 2:15 PM, R&B Stewart at raybarbara(a)comcast.net wrote:

> Hello Colleen,
> 
> I'm glad that you found information on your family.  There are a few
> items that the LDS has on film for Wildemann:
> 
> Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche Wildemann (Kr.
> Zellerfeld).
> 
> Not a whole lot of help there.
> 
> Do a lot of Google searches with the names Honig and Wildemann.
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 11/16/05 10:40 AM, Werner Honkomp at werner(a)honkomp.de wrote:
> 
>> Wildemann is a village in the Harz mountain region, there is not a Honig
>> address:
>> 
>> Here the website: http://www.wildemann.de/index.html
>> 
>> Good luck,
>> Werner
>> 
>> 
>>> Recently I put a post on this list regarding the Honig family in Hannover.
>>> I would like to thank Barbara for her information regarding
>>> Emmigration.
>>> I
>>> found the family listed by following her instructions and found out
>>> today
>>> their birth dates, a original place of birth of the Honig ancestor who
>>> came
>>> to Australia and his wife's last name - Steinbruck).  So thanks for
>>> that
>>> Barbara it was greatly appreciated.
>>> Now I'm going to ask if any Listies have any connections to
>>> Steinbruck's
>>> from Hannover and is Wildemann a town with a particular region or any
>>> information.  My next is to find out how I can trace birth records for
>>> Carl
>>> Friedrich Louis Honig.  Any ideas?
>>> Kind Regards
>>> Colleen
>>> colleen(a)spiritsurveying.com.au
>>> Kind Regards
>> 
>>> Colleen O'Dea
>>> Spirit Surveys and Contracting
>> 
>>> ABN 105 573 331
>>> 07 3818 6644
>>> 043996 7778
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/17 06:24:39
From: Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>

Gerry,
There are several Schroeders in the Eitzen, MN area, which is about 50 miles south and east of Chatfield, MN You can find information about them at: http:// worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=eitzenfamilies
Lila

Re: [HN] Honigs Wildemann

Date: 2005/11/17 06:45:01
From: Colleen O'Dea <cjo60(a)hotmail.com>


  Hi Barbara, Thanks for the suggestions.  I happen to have a list of
  other Honig's that emigrated some 2 years later but I have not been
  able to link the 2 families together and had wondered if they are
  infact from the same family.

  You mentioned the name Steinbruck, all I know is that Steinbruck is
  her maiden name that she and Carl Honig seperated before his departure
  to Australia.  My only hope is there is obtain a marriage certificate
  and try and identify further linage that way.

  Once again Barbara, thanks for you info.

  kind regards Colleen
      ______________________________________________________________

    From:  R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
    Reply-To:  Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
    To:  Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
    Subject:  Re: [HN] Honigs Wildemann
    Date:  Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:36:54 -0700
    >Hello again,
    >
    >        Are you aware that all the Honigs on the Hannover
    emigration list
    >have similar code numbers - which means that they all came from
    the
    >Clausthal-Zellerfeld, which is very near Wildemann?  That must
    mean that a
    >whole family or families emigrated - perhaps together.  Also, if
    you run a
    >search for Steinbrück, there is only one person listed with no
    given name,
    >but also from Clausthal-Zellerfeld.  That must be the woman who
    would marry
    >Carl Honig.
    >
    >Barbara
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >on 11/16/05 2:15 PM, R&B Stewart at raybarbara(a)comcast.net wrote:
    >
    > > Hello Colleen,
    > >
    > > I'm glad that you found information on your family.  There are
    a few
    > > items that the LDS has on film for Wildemann:
    > >
    > > Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche Wildemann
    (Kr.
    > > Zellerfeld).
    > >
    > > Not a whole lot of help there.
    > >
    > > Do a lot of Google searches with the names Honig and Wildemann.
    > >
    > > Barbara
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > on 11/16/05 10:40 AM, Werner Honkomp at werner(a)honkomp.de
    wrote:
    > >
    > >> Wildemann is a village in the Harz mountain region, there is
    not a Honig
    > >> address:
    > >>
    > >> Here the website: http://www.wildemann.de/index.html
    > >>
    > >> Good luck,
    > >> Werner
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>> Recently I put a post on this list regarding the Honig family
    in Hannover.
    > >>> I would like to thank Barbara for her information regarding
    > >>> Emmigration.
    > >>> I
    > >>> found the family listed by following her instructions and
    found out
    > >>> today
    > >>> their birth dates, a original place of birth of the Honig
    ancestor who
    > >>> came
    > >>> to Australia and his wife's last name - Steinbruck).  So
    thanks for
    > >>> that
    > >>> Barbara it was greatly appreciated.
    > >>> Now I'm going to ask if any Listies have any connections to
    > >>> Steinbruck's
    > >>> from Hannover and is Wildemann a town with a particular
    region or any
    > >>> information.  My next is to find out how I can trace birth
    records for
    > >>> Carl
    > >>> Friedrich Louis Honig.  Any ideas?
    > >>> Kind Regards
    > >>> Colleen
    > >>> colleen(a)spiritsurveying.com.au
    > >>> Kind Regards
    > >>
    > >>> Colleen O'Dea
    > >>> Spirit Surveys and Contracting
    > >>
    > >>> ABN 105 573 331
    > >>> 07 3818 6644
    > >>> 043996 7778
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>> --
    > >>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
    > >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
    > >>> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date:
    7/04/2005
    > >>
    > >>> ______________________________________________
    > >>
    > >>> Hannover-L mailing list
    > >>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
    > >>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
    > >>
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    > >>
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[HN] Wrong family info on the web

Date: 2005/11/17 17:18:57
From: Pat Huck <phck1(a)charter.net>

Does anyone know how to correct wrong information on the various sites when you can't contact the person who provided the information?  This is in regards to my mother's family Buehne/Stoltebenn family.  Their are other family names connected to this family and it bothers me that the information is wrong.  The biggest mistake is the original father Henry Buehne.  This was Margaretha's 1st husband and he died she inherited the farm.  Then husband #2 Bernard Philip Hinkamp took her married name, so he became Bernard Philip Buehne.  When he died in Germantown Illinois she was or the priest was good enough to include all his names.  My stumbling block in this family is the when did they come over.  I have all the information in Germany and all the information in the U.S. but I can't connect the two.  Last Christmas I went to Germany and did research at Osnabruck, Paderborn.  I had 3 last names, Hinkamp, Middeke and Buehne and did not find anyone for emigration.  Any suggestions,. Pat Huck

Re: [HN] Hannover Schroeder family found!

Date: 2005/11/17 17:33:34
From: GERALD BAILEY <gbailey(a)flash.net>

Thanks for the info. Will look into it. Gerry

--- Lila Burmeister <lburmeister(a)meekercoop.net>
wrote:

> Gerry,
> There are several Schroeders in the Eitzen, MN area,
> which is about  
> 50 miles south and east of Chatfield, MN
> You can find information about them at: http:// 
>
worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=eitzenfamilies
> Lila
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> 
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>
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Re: [HN] Wrong family info on the web

Date: 2005/11/17 23:07:54
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Pat,

      Are you going back to Germany this year?  There is so much evidence
that your people came from the Bersenbrück and Ankum areas.  I know that you
are aware of that.  The Osnabrück emigration archives certainly show that
the Middekes and Hinkamps came from there.  Not your family names though, as
I remember.  In the phone book there are only 9 Hinkamps and 4 live in
Bersenbrück or around there!  There are many more Middeke names but there
are three listed in Bersenbrück. Two Bühnes live in Ankum.
 
     You could write or call any of them.  That is hard to do, but you could
try.  Unless, of course, you do go to Germany!!  Go to the Osnabrück Church
archives (they're all Catholic, right?).  It's right in the center of the
city, not far from the Cathedral (Dom).

    You may be interested in this family.  Look around and you may find your
relatives!

http://www.muenster.de/~hermans/hermans/vorfahren/schroeder.htm

    The LDS have a little something on Ankum:

Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1810-1874  Katholische Kirche Ankum (Kr. Bersenbr?rch

    It looks like they only have Evangelical church records listed for
Bersenbrück.  Maybe the Catholics went to Ankum to church.  I forget if
you're near an LDS center.
THE LDS WEBSITE is not working all that well these days.

Bye,
Barbara
   



on 11/17/05 9:11 AM, Pat Huck at phck1(a)charter.net wrote:

> Does anyone know how to correct wrong information on the various sites when
> you can't contact the person who provided the information?  This is in regards
> to my mother's family Buehne/Stoltebenn family.  Their are other family names
> connected to this family and it bothers me that the information is wrong.  The
> biggest mistake is the original father Henry Buehne.  This was Margaretha's
> 1st husband and he died she inherited the farm.  Then husband #2 Bernard
> Philip Hinkamp took her married name, so he became Bernard Philip Buehne.
> When he died in Germantown Illinois she was or the priest was good enough to
> include all his names.  My stumbling block in this family is the when did they
> come over.  I have all the information in Germany and all the information in
> the U.S. but I can't connect the two.  Last Christmas I went to Germany and
> did research at Osnabruck, Paderborn.  I had 3 last names, Hinkamp, Middeke
> and Buehne and did not find anyone for emigration.  Any suggestions,. Pat Huck
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen; hier: NOBEL und PAPE

Date: 2005/11/18 10:10:58
From: Nob2cGeneal3K79F <Nob2cGeneal3K79F(a)aol.com>

Verehrte Forscherfreunde,
auf meine Mail vom 14.11.05 betr. "Einwanderungen französischer Refugies  aus 
Württemberg u.a. in Seesen und salzburgische Emigranten in Niedersachsen an  
sog. wüsten Plätzen um bzw. vor 1733" teile ich ergänzend noch  mein Problem 
mit:
 
Am 24.11.1733 heiratete in Groß Rhüden, Süd-Niedersachsen, mein  altvorderer 
Großvater Joes Henricus [Hennig] NOBEL, katholischer  Konfession, Catharina 
Margaretha PAPEN. Joes Henricus NOBEL verstarb im  August 1746 außerhalb von 
Groß Rhüden. Nähere Angaben über Todestag und  -ort sind dem Kirchenbuch nicht zu 
 entnehmen.

Da zur genannten Zeit  der Name Nobel in Süd-Niedersachsen nicht nachzuweisen 
ist, vermute ich, dass  Genannter aus einer anderen Region in Groß Rhüden 
zugewandert  ist. Nachdem  ich mich bisher schon seit Jahren vergeblich bemühte, 
Herkunfts-  und  Sterbe-/Bestattungsort festzustellen, gehe ich nun folgenden 
Hypothesen  nach:


1. Einwanderung im  Rahmen der Rekatholisierung des Bistums Hildesheim aus 
dem Ausland, da der  Pfarrer in Groß-Rhüden bei einer Eintragung "Noble" 
schreibt, resp.  Einwanderung aus einer anderen Gegend Deutschlands.
2. Einwanderung aus Frankreich, da zur genannten Zeit das Kloster  Lamspringe 
wieder aufgebaut wurde und die dort noch aus Frankreich stammenden  Mönche 
sich möglicherweise Landsleute als Handwerker holten.
3. Einwanderung als Savoyer, da hier der Name Noble/Nobel gehäuft  vorkommt.
4. Einwanderung von Refugies aus Württemberg bzw. Frankreich zur Ansiedlung  
von wüsten Stätten. Diese sollen jedoch überwiegend protestantische 
Einwanderer  gewesen sein, und mich wundert, dass diese eine Bleibe im Bistumsbereich  
Hildesheim fanden.
 
 
Nun teilt mir Dr.  Stephan Walter aus Limburg/Lahn mit:
"Der Name Paben  ist interessant, weil es hier in der Esterau (Region an der 
mittleren Lahn)  einen Müller namens Henning Paben (auch Pabon, Papon) gab, 
von dem man glaubt,  daß er zu den ausgewanderten Waldensern (hier später in der 
Kolonie  Charlottenburg angesiedelt) gehört. Es gab da auch einen Pfarrer 
gleichen  Namens. Ich würde einmal eine Verbindung nach Frankreich 
favorisieren..."  

Die vorgenannte Mitteilung gibt mir Veranlassung  zu ergänzenden Fragen:
 
1. Bestehen  Erkenntnisse über den Ursprung des Namens PAPE, der in 
Niedersachsen zahlreich  vorkommt? 
2. Liegen Hinweise  darüber vor, dass es sich bei PAPE-Vorfahren um 
Eingewanderte, evtl. aus  Frankreich handelt?
 
Für Hinweise, die  auch an die Liste gehen sollten, wäre ich sehr  dankbar!

 
Mit den besten  Grüßen
Hermann Nobel

_http://www.hermannnobel.de_ (http://www.hermannnobel.de/) 
65199  Wiesbaden, Telefon: 0611-421584




[HN] Müller Reinecke in Grießem

Date: 2005/11/18 10:21:11
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
wann beginnen die KB Grießem?

ich suche Müllermeister Johann Reinecke, der 1681
Kornregister Aerzen zu "Grießemb" steuert.

 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag






Re: [HN] Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen; hier: NOBEL und PAPE

Date: 2005/11/18 15:25:28
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Hallo Hermann Nobel,

über die Bedeutung des Namens "PAPE" weiß ich nicht sehr viel. Ich wollte nur mitteilen, dass der Raum Minden/Bückeburg u.a. sehr viele Pape-Familien besaß und immer noch besitzt. Z.B. habe ich Vorkommen dieses Namens auch schon in den Jahren 1548, 1564 und 1596 gefunden, so dass ein französischer Ursprung hier wohl eher unwahrscheinlich ist.

Beste Grüße aus Langenhagen,

Björn (Sassenberg)

----- Original Message ----- From: <Nob2cGeneal3K79F(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: [HN] Einwanderungen in Niedersachsen; hier: NOBEL und PAPE


Verehrte Forscherfreunde,
auf meine Mail vom 14.11.05 betr. "Einwanderungen französischer Refugies  aus
Württemberg u.a. in Seesen und salzburgische Emigranten in Niedersachsen an
sog. wüsten Plätzen um bzw. vor 1733" teile ich ergänzend noch  mein Problem
mit:

Am 24.11.1733 heiratete in Groß Rhüden, Süd-Niedersachsen, mein  altvorderer
Großvater Joes Henricus [Hennig] NOBEL, katholischer  Konfession, Catharina
Margaretha PAPEN. Joes Henricus NOBEL verstarb im  August 1746 außerhalb von
Groß Rhüden. Nähere Angaben über Todestag und  -ort sind dem Kirchenbuch nicht zu
entnehmen.

Da zur genannten Zeit  der Name Nobel in Süd-Niedersachsen nicht nachzuweisen
ist, vermute ich, dass  Genannter aus einer anderen Region in Groß Rhüden
zugewandert  ist. Nachdem  ich mich bisher schon seit Jahren vergeblich bemühte,
Herkunfts-  und  Sterbe-/Bestattungsort festzustellen, gehe ich nun folgenden
Hypothesen  nach:


1. Einwanderung im  Rahmen der Rekatholisierung des Bistums Hildesheim aus
dem Ausland, da der  Pfarrer in Groß-Rhüden bei einer Eintragung "Noble"
schreibt, resp.  Einwanderung aus einer anderen Gegend Deutschlands.
2. Einwanderung aus Frankreich, da zur genannten Zeit das Kloster  Lamspringe
wieder aufgebaut wurde und die dort noch aus Frankreich stammenden  Mönche
sich möglicherweise Landsleute als Handwerker holten.
3. Einwanderung als Savoyer, da hier der Name Noble/Nobel gehäuft  vorkommt.
4. Einwanderung von Refugies aus Württemberg bzw. Frankreich zur Ansiedlung
von wüsten Stätten. Diese sollen jedoch überwiegend protestantische
Einwanderer  gewesen sein, und mich wundert, dass diese eine Bleibe im Bistumsbereich
Hildesheim fanden.


Nun teilt mir Dr.  Stephan Walter aus Limburg/Lahn mit:
"Der Name Paben  ist interessant, weil es hier in der Esterau (Region an der
mittleren Lahn)  einen Müller namens Henning Paben (auch Pabon, Papon) gab,
von dem man glaubt,  daß er zu den ausgewanderten Waldensern (hier später in der
Kolonie  Charlottenburg angesiedelt) gehört. Es gab da auch einen Pfarrer
gleichen  Namens. Ich würde einmal eine Verbindung nach Frankreich
favorisieren..."

Die vorgenannte Mitteilung gibt mir Veranlassung  zu ergänzenden Fragen:

1. Bestehen  Erkenntnisse über den Ursprung des Namens PAPE, der in
Niedersachsen zahlreich  vorkommt?
2. Liegen Hinweise  darüber vor, dass es sich bei PAPE-Vorfahren um
Eingewanderte, evtl. aus  Frankreich handelt?

Für Hinweise, die  auch an die Liste gehen sollten, wäre ich sehr  dankbar!


Mit den besten  Grüßen
Hermann Nobel

_http://www.hermannnobel.de_ (http://www.hermannnobel.de/)
65199  Wiesbaden, Telefon: 0611-421584



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[HN] Buehne/Stoltebenn

Date: 2005/11/18 15:51:05
From: Pat Huck <phck1(a)charter.net>

Yes, the Buehne's are from Ankum and I have been on the farm. The people who live there are not related even though they use the same name.  Unfortunately the Ankum Catholic Church did not allow the Mormon's to film it and the lady who does the research was gone while I was in Germany and would not be back until I would be on my way back.  I know they came over between 1838 to 1842.  The farm they bought in Clinton County Illinois was not recorded when they bought it.  Also, we have a Herman that they say is not part of our family but he was listed on the will as their child.  Pat Huck

[HN] St. Louis Archives online Provost Marshall records civil war era..

Date: 2005/11/18 18:32:01
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Listies,

I find the Provost Marshall records interesting and fun to peruse.

Examples...


Britenbaugh, Samuel
St. Louis
St. Louis Citizen of Wellington, states that Mr. Harding of St. Louis claimed to have passed a female spy into the camp of Sterling Price 10-18-1861
F 1339

Bruen*, Joseph (Bruns?)
St. Louis
St. Louis Letter applying for retroactive pay while serving on court martial case
05-05-1862
F 1286

Burch, Charles
St. Louis
St. Louis Soldier Friedrich Kulmann's* statement regarding the arrest of Charles Burch on Current River in Shannon County
05-20-1863
F 1288

A cousin of mine is married to A. Burch...I wonder if related to ^ Burch's?

Blank, John (Blanke?)
St. Louis
St. Louis Office of Refugee Bureau asking for transportation for John Blank, an orphan, whose father was killed in the federal army
03/22/1865
F 1466

Bishop*, P. H.  (Bishof?)
St. Louis
St. Louis Details of John Klein's* arrest
02-21-1862
F 1152

Bernard, Weitzel
Sitzer, August
St. Louis
Sworn statements about Frederick Thies*
03-04-1862
F 1403

Benner William
St. Louis
St. Louis Examination, prisoner captured by Rebel guerrillas in 1862 while a cook on steamboat Lewis Adams, forced to serve in the Confederate Army until captured by the Federal Army in 1865
03-08-1865
F 1230

Behrens, John H.
St. Louis
Oath of Allegiance
03-01-1862
F 1228

Bechtold, Jacob
St. Louis
St. Louis Statement of reasons he fell asleep while on night watchman duty on Steamer Louisa
09-26-1864
F 1228

^ Funny.  Would love to find such a file that included my family...:)

Atheron, Unknown
St. Louis
St. Louis Statement of James Shindler*, MSM corporal, Benton Barracks; in saloon on Grand & St. Charles Plank Rd. Atheron served him & other soldiers whiskey; drank whiskey from Hinchcliff saloon on Grand Ave. 02-05-1864
F1220

(St. Charles Rock Road today)

Missouri State Archive online is great website to explore.

Barbie-Lew



[HN] Rüsfort and Neunkirchen near Gehrde, Hannover

Date: 2005/11/18 20:02:37
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

I'm researching some families in the area around Gehrde, Hannover, specifically Neunkirchen and Rüsfort. I've found two places named Neunkirchen in the area and have yet to find Rüsfort. The families were Lutheran and lived in the area in the mid-1700s. I'm trying to determine what Church/Churches they would have attended so I can, hopefully, check their records.

Thank you.

Joel
jsruss(a)mindspring.com


[HN] Englisch in der Liste

Date: 2005/11/18 20:25:48
From: Pschwenkedu <Pschwenkedu(a)aol.com>

Hallo eine humorvoll gedachte Bemerkung.
Ich lese in der Hannoverliste mehr als 50 % englische Texte, ist das nur füt 
sprachkundige gedacht ?Oder meinen die Einsender ,wenn schon der Hannover 
König Georg in England regierte,werden die Krauts wohl alle Englisch verstehen.
Bei mir kam es nur zu einer 5, was mir wenig ausmacht, weil ich mich in 
meiner Muttersprache gut verständigen kann.
Ich habe auch so sture Engländer kennengelernt die Deutsch verstanden , aber 
grundsätzlich nicht sprachen,einer meiner engl.Freunde sagte, Deutsch sei ihm 
zu holperig.Der hatte sicher nie einen Herrn Steuber zugehört.
Also was mach ich mit einer e:Mail die ich nicht präsise verstehe ?.
Verbleibt nur unbeantwortet löschen. was nicht im Sinne der Einsender sein 
kann.
Wie währe es mit einer guten Übersetzung in der Liste ? Möglich oder nicht.
MfG
Paul 

[HN] LDS online woes

Date: 2005/11/18 20:30:06
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:
THE LDS WEBSITE is not working all that well these days.

This may interest you Barb. And anyone else here who's wondering what's going on lately with the LDS website.

Source: Trier-L [Nov 16]

To all German and French mail lists

Ever since the computer gurus in the Salt Lake City Family History Library have "improved" the online catalog a couple weeks ago, it is now practically unusable.

They have destroyed all the data fields that contain diacritical marks (umlauts, esszets, and other special characters). This makes it impossible to understand a hit when you get one, because several additional characters are also dropped. For example, Würtemberg is now W?berg.

The second problem is the it may require 15 to 20 or more tries to get the record desired. The intermediate results give the message "An error occurred on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system administrator." Apparently the search engine sever is timing out.

It appears the folks at the LDS FHL bought an "improved" server that doesn't work. They better soon consider going back to the previous one that worked or we will be having a terrible time finding our records.

Fred Held

-----

Not bought; the servers were transferred to Brigham Young University. Ever since that happened, even the folks in the FHL are complaining and reporting the bugs. Even I continue to carp on those problems.

Got to talk with the secretary to the big boss of technology and she transferred [me] to tech support.

1. This is first time they ever received complaint from outside describing the problems Fred Held encountered. I forwarded his email to them detailing the problem.

2. While I was online with them, they saw same problems I am seeing.

3. They are making it a Ter-3 priority case which is considered a very high priority.

The reason for the problems we are seeing lately, the site is in middle of moving from Illinois to North Carolina where there's much more server space to host familysearch.org to handle all the massive growth of the new familysearch.org interface. Somewhere in the process of moving some data got somewhat shaken up. They are saying they are having downtime periods themselves at times just like we do.

David Samuelsen, Salt Lake City

Jb

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Re: [HN] Rüsfort and Neunkirchen near Gehrde, Hannover

Date: 2005/11/18 20:33:24
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Joel,
     Rüsfort is very close to Gehrde to the northwest. Maybe mapquest.com
would help you find it. Look for Gehrde and you'll see it.
Barbara


on 11/18/05 12:02 PM, Joel S. Russell at jsruss(a)mindspring.com wrote:

> I'm researching some families in the area around Gehrde, Hannover,
> specifically Neunkirchen and Rüsfort.  I've found two places named
> Neunkirchen in the area and have yet to find Rüsfort.  The families were
> Lutheran and lived in the area in the mid-1700s.  I'm trying to determine
> what Church/Churches they would have attended so I can, hopefully, check
> their records.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Joel
> jsruss(a)mindspring.com
> 
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[HN] In the news: FAKE family tree site

Date: 2005/11/18 20:36:04
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Fake family trees online may trip up genealogists

By Lee Davidson
Deseret Morning News
November 12, 2005

Genealogists beware.

A software company is marketing a new program to Internet advertisers that could quickly generate Web sites full of extensive, but fake, family trees.

Critics say the approach appears to be part of a new money-making scheme to lure people who search for family names on Google, Yahoo or other search engines to Web sites that use bogus data to help ensure they appear high on "hit lists."

Full story ~
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160683,00.html

Jb

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Re: [HN] LDS online woes

Date: 2005/11/18 20:38:06
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Thanks for the "explanation"!  It drives me crazy.  If I get an error, I go
back and click on it again and it will work---sometimes.  It is bothersome
for sure.  You have to try several times before it will come through.
Grrrr.
Barbara

on 11/18/05 12:29 PM, J b at johnbrene(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>> THE LDS WEBSITE is not working all that well these days.
> 
> This may interest you Barb. And anyone else here who's wondering what's
> going on lately with the LDS website.
> 
> Source: Trier-L [Nov 16]
> 
> To all German and French mail lists
> 
> Ever since the computer gurus in the Salt Lake City Family History Library
> have "improved" the online catalog a couple weeks ago, it is now practically
> unusable.
> 
> They have destroyed all the data fields that contain diacritical marks
> (umlauts, esszets, and other special characters). This makes it impossible
> to understand a hit when you get one, because several additional characters
> are also dropped. For example, Würtemberg is now W?berg.
> 
> The second problem is the it may require 15 to 20 or more tries to get the
> record desired. The intermediate results give the message "An error occurred
> on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system
> administrator."  Apparently the search engine sever is timing out.
> 
> It appears the folks at the LDS FHL bought an "improved" server that doesn't
> work. They better soon consider going back to the previous one that worked
> or we will be having a terrible time finding our records.
> 
> Fred Held
> 
> -----
> 
> Not bought; the servers were transferred to Brigham Young University. Ever
> since that happened, even the folks in the FHL are complaining and reporting
> the bugs. Even I continue to carp on those problems.
> 
> Got to talk with the secretary to the big boss of technology and she
> transferred [me] to tech support.
> 
> 1. This is first time they ever received complaint from outside describing
> the problems Fred Held encountered. I forwarded his email to them detailing
> the problem.
> 
> 2. While I was online with them, they saw same problems I am seeing.
> 
> 3. They are making it a Ter-3 priority case which is considered a very high
> priority.
> 
> The reason for the problems we are seeing lately, the site is in middle of
> moving from Illinois to North Carolina where there's much more server space
> to host familysearch.org to handle all the massive growth of the new
> familysearch.org interface. Somewhere in the process of moving some data got
> somewhat shaken up. They are saying they are having downtime periods
> themselves at times just like we do.
> 
> David Samuelsen, Salt Lake City
> 
> Jb
> 
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Re: [HN] Englisch in der Liste

Date: 2005/11/18 20:45:30
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Paul, 

       Pardon my English!!  I use Google's translator:

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

      However, I just tried Google to understand what you said, but I can't
say that I understood much of it at all.  Sometimes, it works for me.  I
think you are asking for a translator on this list?  Am I right?

Barbara

    



on 11/18/05 12:25 PM, Pschwenkedu(a)aol.com at Pschwenkedu(a)aol.com wrote:

> Hallo eine humorvoll gedachte Bemerkung.
> Ich lese in der Hannoverliste mehr als 50 % englische Texte, ist das nur füt
> sprachkundige gedacht ?Oder meinen die Einsender ,wenn schon der Hannover
> König Georg in England regierte,werden die Krauts wohl alle Englisch
> verstehen.
> Bei mir kam es nur zu einer 5, was mir wenig ausmacht, weil ich mich in
> meiner Muttersprache gut verständigen kann.
> Ich habe auch so sture Engländer kennengelernt die Deutsch verstanden , aber
> grundsätzlich nicht sprachen,einer meiner engl.Freunde sagte, Deutsch sei ihm
> zu holperig.Der hatte sicher nie einen Herrn Steuber zugehört.
> Also was mach ich mit einer e:Mail die ich nicht präsise verstehe ?.
> Verbleibt nur unbeantwortet löschen. was nicht im Sinne der Einsender sein
> kann.
> Wie währe es mit einer guten Übersetzung in der Liste ? Möglich oder nicht.
> MfG
> Paul 


Re: [HN] Rüsfort and Neunkirchen near Gehrde, Hannover

Date: 2005/11/18 20:46:35
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Thanks Barbara!!

I see it now, I just hadn't zoomed in enough with Map24. Any suggestions on what Churches to check other than Gehrde? I've had some luck with the records there, but I think the families must have been closer to Neunkirchen before they were at the Church in Gehrde.

Joel


At 02:33 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote:
Hi Joel,
     Rüsfort is very close to Gehrde to the northwest. Maybe mapquest.com
would help you find it. Look for Gehrde and you'll see it.
Barbara


on 11/18/05 12:02 PM, Joel S. Russell at jsruss(a)mindspring.com wrote:

> I'm researching some families in the area around Gehrde, Hannover,
> specifically Neunkirchen and Rüsfort.  I've found two places named
> Neunkirchen in the area and have yet to find Rüsfort.  The families were
> Lutheran and lived in the area in the mid-1700s.  I'm trying to determine
> what Church/Churches they would have attended so I can, hopefully, check
> their records.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Joel
> jsruss(a)mindspring.com
>
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Re: [HN] Englisch in der Liste

Date: 2005/11/18 20:48:07
From: schultz . holger <schultz.holger(a)freenet.de>

Ich würde meine Anfragen in dieser Liste in Englisch verfassen, wenn ich auch eine englische Antwort erwarten würde. (z.B.: Auswanderungen). Ansonsten käme ich gar nicht auf diese Idee. Das ist zwar ziemlich kurzsichtig, aber so würde ich das machen.

Aber ich bin hier nur ein kurzfristiger Gast. Ich habe mit Deutschland (in den Grenzen von 1871 - 1949) nichts zu tun. Meine väterliche Linie sind Deutsche aus Polen und meine Mutter ist Finnin. 

Ich bin im Alt-Kreis Alfeld groß geworden. Ich bin ein Eimer - super Wortspiel, oder ...

Holger aus Hannover


> Hallo eine humorvoll gedachte Bemerkung.
> Ich lese in der Hannoverliste mehr als 50 % englische Texte, ist das nur füt (für)
> sprachkundige gedacht ?Oder meinen die Einsender ,wenn schon der Hannover 
> König Georg in England regierte,werden die Krauts wohl alle Englisch
> verstehen.
> Bei mir kam es nur zu einer 5, was mir wenig ausmacht, weil ich mich in 
> meiner Muttersprache gut verständigen kann.
> Ich habe auch so sture Engländer kennengelernt die Deutsch verstanden , aber
> grundsätzlich nicht sprachen,einer meiner engl.Freunde sagte, Deutsch sei
> ihm zu holperig.Der hatte sicher nie einen Herrn Steuber (Stäuber) zugehört.
> Also was mach ich mit einer e:Mail die ich nicht präsise (präzise) verstehe?
> Verbleibt nur unbeantwortet löschen. was nicht im Sinne der Einsender sein 
> kann.
> Wie währe es mit einer guten Übersetzung in der Liste ? Möglich oder nicht.
> MfG
> Paul 
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[HN] LDS Problems

Date: 2005/11/18 21:11:28
From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>

Hallo List,

One of the most annoying problems I have encountered was trying to
open/download all with the surname of Reinhold, living in Beuren, Germany. I
go into Search for your Ancestors, and add the surname (Reinhold). There are
loads of them listed in Germany and as I believe that I'll find a connection
to my own family among the records, I am eager to check out all with that
surname coming from that village.

However, about halfway through (last time with the letter N for christian
names) it stops and I cannot open further pages with other names. I have
tried this several times now and it's the same each time.

Has anyone got an idea how to overcome this problem?



Und nochmals in deutsch...

Ich habe ein Problem bei den Mormonen Online. Ich gebe in das Suchfeld den
Nachnamen (Reinhold) ein und gucke dann in Deutschland nach, wer von den
Angegebenen in Beuren wohnte. Nach ein paar Tausend Namen hoert die Liste
ploetzlich auf, im Allgemeinen bei dem Buchstaben N (fuer Vornamen) und ich
kann keine weiteren Seiten mehr einsehen.

Hat jemand eine Loesung hierfuer?

Thanks / Danke im Voraus

Erika
Leeds, England



Re: [HN] Rüsfort and Neunkirchen near Gehrde, Hannover

Date: 2005/11/18 21:12:44
From: Wilfried . Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> schrieb:
> I'm researching some families in the area around Gehrde, Hannover, 
> specifically Neunkirchen and Rüsfort.  I've found two places named 
> Neunkirchen in the area and have yet to find Rüsfort.  The families were 
> Lutheran and lived in the area in the mid-1700s.  I'm trying to determine 
> what Church/Churches they would have attended so I can, hopefully, check 
> their records.
> 
>
Hello Joel,

Rüsfort is 1 km north of Gehrde, both about 5 km northeast of Bersenbrück and about 35 km north of Osnabrück. The places you have found in this area are not Neunkirchen, the right spelling of both is Neuenkirchen (with e). The church for Rüsfort is in Gehrde. The church records of Gehrde begin in 1713 and are availabla as microfiches at the Kirchenbuchamt Hannover:   www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Regards
Wilfried (Petersen)


Re: [HN] Englisch in der Liste

Date: 2005/11/18 21:21:54
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

R&B Stewart schrieb:

Hello Paul,
       Pardon my English!!  I use Google's translator:

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

      However, I just tried Google to understand what you said, but I can't
say that I understood much of it at all.  Sometimes, it works for me.  I
think you are asking for a translator on this list?  Am I right?

Barbara

****************************************************************
Hello Barbara
Hallo Barbara

I would like to read what "Goole´s translater" tells us.
Ich würde gerne lesen, was das Google-Übersetungsprogram draus machte.

Paul tried to give some humoruos impressions about English friends.
Paul hat einige humorvolle Erfahungen mit englischen Freunden erzählt.

I didn´t understand realy what Paul said.
Ich habe nicht eigentlich verstanden, was Paul sagen wollte.

About all, it should be very difficult to translate correctly.
Überhaupt, es scheint mir kaum möglich es richtig zu übersetzen.

But he´s wondering why mostly 50% write in English in this list.
Jedenfalls fällt ihm auf, dass fast die Hälfte hier Englisch scheiben.

This seems funny because he joyned a bilingual list.
Kein Wunder in einer zweisprachig angelegten Liste!

He would like to invite you whriting the mails in german.
Er würde selbst gerne bei seiner deuschen Sprache bleiben.

His englishteacher wasn´t glad to listen to his englisch language.
Bei mir kam es nur zu einer 5, was mir wenig ausmacht

So what´s to do with an englisch Mail he doesn´t understand?
Also was mach ich mit einer e:Mail die ich nicht präsise verstehe ?

I´ll klick it off!
Verbleibt nur unbeantwortet löschen.

Also, ein Witz ist nur dann einer, wenn auch jemand lacht.
Well, there in no joke if you´ll never see anybody smiling.

Pardon my English!!  I only use my own translator  :-(

Klaus (Vahlbruch)







Re: [HN] Rüsfort and Neunkirchen near Gehrde, Han nover

Date: 2005/11/18 21:35:56
From: Harald Kemm <harald.kemm(a)freenet.de>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>



>I'm researching some families in the area around Gehrde, Hannover,
>specifically Neunkirchen and Rüsfort.  I've found two places named
>Neunkirchen in the area and have yet to find Rüsfort.  The families were
>Lutheran and lived in the area in the mid-1700s.  I'm trying to determine
>what Church/Churches they would have attended so I can, hopefully, check
>their records.

>Thank you.

>Joel
>jsruss(a)mindspring.com



Hallo Joel,

Gehrde, laut dem Gemeinde- u. Ortslexikon des dt. Reiches von 1901

Gehrde:  Bauernschaft, Dorf, in Preußen (preuß. Hannover)
Kreis, Amtsgericht und Eisenbahn in Bersenbrück
330 und 163 Einwohner, Post und ev. Kirche.

Der Ort Gehrde hat heute die Postleitzahl    49596 Gehrde und liegt nördlich
von Osnabrück

Die zuständige Landeskirche ist  Hannover, der zuständige Kirchenkreis ist
Bramsche.

Einen schönen Abend noch aus Barsinghausen (Hannover)
Harald (Kemm)
harald.kemm(a)freenet.de



[HN] Town of Petze

Date: 2005/11/18 21:41:58
From: WBL435