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Re: [OL] Jever, Honorius Hering

Date: 2007/01/31 20:04:09
From: Hartmut von Häfen <von.haefen-cux(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Walter,
ja, das wäre schön.
Gruß
Hartmut

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Auftrag von Walter Fleischauer
Gesendet: Montag, 29. Januar 2007 19:43
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Betreff: Re: [OL] Jever, Honorius Hering

Moin Hartmut,

soll ich Deine Jever betreffende Anfrage in unsere Jeverland
Mailingliste weiterleiten?

Gruss

Walter, 
vom Jadebusen
http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/ag-jeverland/



> Hallo Liste,
> 
> um 1640 hat in Jever der Arzt Honorius Hering gelebt. Wer kann mir
> Hinweise zu seiner Familie geben?
> 
> Gruß
> 
> Hartmut
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[OL] (no subject)

Date: 2007/02/01 00:09:54
From: Doug Westerhaus <dwesterhaus(a)everestkc.net>

I think the hint from Uwe G. POMMERENING is quite good.  I will use it
myself.

Also - I recently received from my distant cousin, Floyd WINNER, Coldwater,
Ohio (which is near Minster, Ohio)a book compiled by the Minster Ohio
historical society that shares the drawings and diary of Liwat BOKE who came
from Neuenkirchen to Cincinnati area in about 1820.  Floyd and I are both
descendants of WINNER-WESTERHAUS and TAUBKE-WESTERHAUS from
Neuenkirchen/Voerden area of Oldenburg.  That compilation was very helpful
in explaining why so many from Neuenkirchen and surrounding communities
found there way to Cincinnati.  It was also a fascinating explanation of the
lifestyle this really remarkable woman had as she and her husband pioneered
as farmers 75 miles north of Cincinnati.

The basic explanation squares with an earlier comment - that one or more
early immigrants from Oldenburg came to Cincinnati (sailing down the Ohio
river), found the area similar to the area they left, and "pitched" the area
to family and friends.

Should anyone have interest in the book from Minster Ohio Historical Society
($25) I can ask Floyd for ordering information.

Regards,

Doug Westerhaus


Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 00:33:41
From: JWR184 <JWR184(a)aol.com>

If you think there are a lot of Oldenberg Germans in the Cincinnati area you 
should go north to Mercer County. A few years ago nearly everyone was from 
Oldenberg and Catholic. Even the towns have German names. And beautiful 
churches.Get a phone book. Wow. I have nearly every name in my tree.

Jim Rettig
Cincinnati

> It seems that word-of-mouth, and then
> having relatives/friends there, became the driving forces.  Both Cincinnati
> and Oldenberg seem to be predominantly Catholic and socially conservative as
> a result of this emigration.
> 


Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 00:36:49
From: Bernie Punte <berniepunte(a)yahoo.com>

I have Krogmann relatives in Hamilton Ohio, very close to Cincinnati.
My great-great-grandfathers' family emigrated from Oldenberg in 1868.
Most of the family stayed in Baltimore, but one brother and his family
went directly to Hamilton, near Cincinnati.  There were already Krogmann
relatives living in that area of Ohio.  One brother lived with the rest
of the family in Baltimore for several years and later moved to the
Cincinnati area.

Bernie Punte

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of David Otto
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:40 AM
To: 'Oldenburg-L'
Subject: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area



Does anyone know why so many German immigrants settled in the Cincinnati
Ohio area?  I have noticed that there were quite a few who came to
Portsmouth Ohio too (both cities are on the Ohio River and are both port
cities).

Thanks,

David Otto




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Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 00:49:39
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Hello Marilyn,

I have not paid the extra money for Ancestry.com but there are indeed some
Stiers listed on there that were my grandmother's (Iva Lucille Stiers) 4
brothers.  The contact listed was a Robert Jacob Stiers, but he has neither
replied to my email nor has he returned my recent telephone call.

It's kind of funny because I found that he posted a list of some other
Stiers on a 2nd ancestry-type website, but I don't think that 2nd set is in
the same lineage as the other (1st set) Stiers!

That is curious that you are in Wisconsin - that is where my paternal
grandfather settled in the 1840s.  He fought in the US Civil War for a
Volunteer Regiment that was primarily made up of other Germans from that
area.  He moved around a little, but the town we have for him is Appleton.

Another curiosity perhaps, is that my mother's sister and my sister sibling
are both named Marilyn Marjorie *Last name*.

Lastly, I might have been the original poster looking fir the Holthinrichs
on Ancestry.com but nothing ever came of that.  I'll look again, just to
make sure.

With warmest personal regards,

David Otto

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of mstulken(a)wi.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:11 PM
To: Oldenburg-L
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

David, do you have access to Ancestry.com?  I found oodles of Stiers
there, though it's possible none of them is yours.

Also, have you seen the Holthinrichs query to the Oldenburg list back in
2000/2001?  I found that with a Google search for "Holthinrichs."  And I
found a few in Ohio and Kentucky on Ancestry.com.

Let me now what you've already done and if I can look for anything here
for you.

Marilyn in Wisconsin





[OL] English capitalization

Date: 2007/02/01 00:58:36
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Hallo Uwe,

I do not think that this is a true statement about Americans and when/why we
capitalize names.  These are what we call in English "proper nouns" and they
always begin with a capital letter.  So Joseph Brown is only properly
spelled if the "J" and "B" are capitals.

Unlike German when all nouns begin with capitals, here a dog is spelled as
"dog" und nicht Hund oder "Dog" :)

Bis Spater,

David

I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if
they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You may
explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know in
other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use
Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of us
in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W.

Let me hear about your view of this subject?

Rgds
Uwe G. (POMMERENING)






Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 01:11:01
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Hallo auch Werner,

Vielen Danke mein guter Freund!!

This would of course explain why my search has gone no further.

I hope I can help you in some manner; please just let me know.

David

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:48 PM
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Hello David,

the real name of your maternal grandfather is Hölterhinrichs.
The origin is a small cottage (15 hectare) in Damme part Borringhausen,
first notice 1724.
The last owner Hülsmann sold the cottage 1907 to the farmer Strieker.

Damme is located in Oldenburger-Münsterland, the catholic south part of the
former Dukedom Oldenburg.
Father David say, the area around Minster in Ohio called Ohio-Münsterland,
as reference to Oldenburger-Münsterland.
The first name of Minster (from Münster) was Stallotown. The teacher Stallo
from Damme was the intiator for emigration movement from
Oldenburger-Münsterland to Ohio.

See also:  http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/

The name Stiers is there not present, the phone directory listed a
concentration in Westphalia, near Duisburg.

I hope it help,
Werner Honkomp





Re: [OL] English capitalization

Date: 2007/02/01 01:11:40
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>

Hello David, read all my email, then you undersatand what was meant.
Tschüß
Uwe G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Otto" <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
To: "'Oldenburg-L'" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:56 AM
Subject: [OL] English capitalization


> Hallo Uwe,
>
> I do not think that this is a true statement about Americans and when/why
we
> capitalize names.  These are what we call in English "proper nouns" and
they
> always begin with a capital letter.  So Joseph Brown is only properly
> spelled if the "J" and "B" are capitals.
>
> Unlike German when all nouns begin with capitals, here a dog is spelled as
> "dog" und nicht Hund oder "Dog" :)
>
> Bis Spater,
>
> David
>
> I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if
> they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You
may
> explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know
in
> other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use
> Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of
us
> in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W.
>
> Let me hear about your view of this subject?
>
> Rgds
> Uwe G. (POMMERENING)
>
>
>
>
>
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> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
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Re: [OL] English capitalization

Date: 2007/02/01 01:11:41
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>

Hello David,

read  all of my email, then you understand what was meant.
Tschüß
Uwe G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Otto" <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
To: "'Oldenburg-L'" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:56 AM
Subject: [OL] English capitalization


> Hallo Uwe,
>
> I do not think that this is a true statement about Americans and when/why
we
> capitalize names.  These are what we call in English "proper nouns" and
they
> always begin with a capital letter.  So Joseph Brown is only properly
> spelled if the "J" and "B" are capitals.
>
> Unlike German when all nouns begin with capitals, here a dog is spelled as
> "dog" und nicht Hund oder "Dog" :)
>
> Bis Spater,
>
> David
>
> I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if
> they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You
may
> explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know
in
> other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use
> Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of
us
> in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W.
>
> Let me hear about your view of this subject?
>
> Rgds
> Uwe G. (POMMERENING)
>
>
>
>
>
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l



Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 01:53:23
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Thank you too Jim,

Do you happen to know the county seat (or largest town) in Mercer County?
To be honest, I have never heard if it.

Regards,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of JWR184(a)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:33 PM
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

If you think there are a lot of Oldenberg Germans in the Cincinnati area you

should go north to Mercer County. A few years ago nearly everyone was from 
Oldenberg and Catholic. Even the towns have German names. And beautiful 
churches.Get a phone book. Wow. I have nearly every name in my tree.

Jim Rettig
Cincinnati

> It seems that word-of-mouth, and then
> having relatives/friends there, became the driving forces.  Both
Cincinnati
> and Oldenberg seem to be predominantly Catholic and socially conservative
as
> a result of this emigration.
> 

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Re: [OL] English capitalization

Date: 2007/02/01 02:02:00
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

My apologies Uwe, I think I know what you meant now.

Maybe you mean if I say to you UWE POMMERENING I am shouting, or yelling at
you (?)  We call this an internet "thing" that we raise our voice.  We think
that this is rude, or poor manners.

I hope this is what you meant.

Regards,

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Uwe G. Pommerening
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:08 PM
To: Oldenburg-L
Subject: Re: [OL] English capitalization

Hello David, read all my email, then you undersatand what was meant.
Tschüß
Uwe G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Otto" <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
To: "'Oldenburg-L'" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:56 AM
Subject: [OL] English capitalization


> Hallo Uwe,
>
> I do not think that this is a true statement about Americans and when/why
we
> capitalize names.  These are what we call in English "proper nouns" and
they
> always begin with a capital letter.  So Joseph Brown is only properly
> spelled if the "J" and "B" are capitals.
>
> Unlike German when all nouns begin with capitals, here a dog is spelled as
> "dog" und nicht Hund oder "Dog" :)
>
> Bis Spater,
>
> David
>
> I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if
> they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You
may
> explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know
in
> other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use
> Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of
us
> in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W.
>
> Let me hear about your view of this subject?
>
> Rgds
> Uwe G. (POMMERENING)
>
>
>
>
>
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l


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Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 02:31:48
From: JWR184 <JWR184(a)aol.com>

Hi,

Minster is a large town, I do not know the county seat of Mercer County.

Google it.


Jim
*********

> Thank you too Jim,
> 
> Do you happen to know the county seat (or largest town) in Mercer County?
> To be honest, I have never heard if it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave


Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 03:13:45
From: Berco445 <Berco445(a)aol.com>

The Mercer County seat is Celina, Ohio;  The Mercer County  Genealogical 
Society has careful records of many families in the area.  A  huge book , Mercer 
County Ohio History 1978, by Joyce Alig, gives  multiple family histories. Most 
of the early Catholic Church parish records  there have been catalogued.
 
Allen Bernard
Cincinnati, OH

Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 03:21:53
From: Berco445 <Berco445(a)aol.com>

Also keep in mind that many Oldenburg Germans settled in Covington  and 
Newport, Kentucky, just opposite of Cincinnati.  The Kenton County  Public Library 
in Covington has excellent genealogical records of these Northern  Kentucky 
residents.  The Mother of God Church in Covington, has many  records of 
Oldenburg immigrants and was their major Catholic church.
 
Allen Bernard
Cincinnati, OH

[OL] the "Ohio Münsterland"

Date: 2007/02/01 06:03:05
From: David <dahht(a)watchtv.net>

Greetings,

This is Fr. David Hoying from the "Ohio Münsterland".
Yes, check Werner's site for information.
I have record of over 2000 individuals from "Oldenburger
Münsterland" who settled in the "Ohio Münsterland" (the area
around Minster, Fort Loramie, Maria Stein and Saint Henry),
with over 500 of them coming from Damme alone!
I have been working on putting this all together with
a history and a cultural study. It is has been taking me
quite a long time to do this (15 years or so) and I have much yet to do.
I have a parish to take care of, so, do not swamp me with
too many inquiries. And for the moment, also do not expect long
answers.

Than you, Fr. David Hoying, CPPS
----- Original Message ----- From: "Werner Honkomp" <werner(a)honkomp.de>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area


Hello David,

the real name of your maternal grandfather is Hölterhinrichs.
The origin is a small cottage (15 hectare) in Damme part Borringhausen, first notice 1724.
The last owner Hülsmann sold the cottage 1907 to the farmer Strieker.

Damme is located in Oldenburger-Münsterland, the catholic south part of the former Dukedom Oldenburg. Father David say, the area around Minster in Ohio called Ohio-Münsterland, as reference to Oldenburger-Münsterland. The first name of Minster (from Münster) was Stallotown. The teacher Stallo from Damme was the intiator for emigration movement from Oldenburger-Münsterland to Ohio.

See also:  http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/

The name Stiers is there not present, the phone directory listed a concentration in Westphalia, near Duisburg.

I hope it help,
Werner Honkomp

Thank you Christopher,

My maternal grandfather was Catholic and we think his predecessors came
from
Oldenburg, but no one could find his name listed in any of the records
from
there (Holthinrichs).  Someone said that they might have come from the
Netherlands, but I was not able to find that name there either, only Holt
which my grandfather shortened his name to this after the 1920s sometime.

The other "Grosvater" was named Stiers, and they were Protestant.  This
evidently caused some friction between the two families, and I have been
trying (without success) to trace the four Stiers brothers (all born in
Cincy) that my grandmother had.

David


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Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 14:19:13
From: REPKINGRON <REPKINGRON(a)aol.com>

The following is part of an article by Franz-Josef Tegenkamp.  It  describes 
the migration of another group of pedons from Oldenburg to Cincinnati  and 
then to Illinois.
 
On September 9, 1834, the ship reached its terminal port Baltimore, and  
approximately two weeks Later the Uptmoor brothers arrived in Cincinnati, the  
provisional goal of their journey.  Here they worked during the next five  years 
mainly as carpenters.  Clemens Uptmoor had learned the occupation of  ship 
carpenter in his youth, which served him well now.
 
In the summer of 1836 Cincinnati experienced a cholera outbreak, and for  
this reason the Uptmoor brothers went for several months to Missouri to  work.  
On the way they traveled  for the first time through the  fertile, at the time 
almost completely uninhabited areas of the American  Midwest, which seemed 
just waiting to be settled.  It is  therefore  not  surprising that it was at 
this time that they formulated their plan to  found a colony for German Catholic 
emigrants.
 
After their return to Cincinnati, therefore, they founded the "German Land  
Company" or "Settlement Company" at the beginning of 1837 together with a  
partner, Johann Ferdinand Waschefort, who had emigrated in 1831 from Addrup near  
Essen.  141 people joined the company in a short time due to the constant  
stream of emigrants from Germany.  They paid in regular contributions in  order 
to later acquire a larger section of land.
 
In April, 1837  Clemens Uptmoor, together with Johann Ferdinand  Waschefort  
and Gerhard Heinich Bergfeld (from Lastrup), made their way on  a 15-week trip 
through the states of Indiana, Illinois, and Missouri to look for  a suitable 
section of land.  They finally decided on  an area   approximately  100 miles 
east of  St.  Louis near Vandalia, the  capital of Illinois at that  time, 
where some former residents of Hanover  had already settled.  After another trip 
by other members of the company to  view the land, the land was acquired in 
1838 (approximately 4000 hectares, or 40  million square meters, or 10,000 
acres) and was distributed to the members in  the fall of that year.  On the 
suggestion of the Bishop of Cincinnati the  new colony was given the name 
Teutopolis.

Ronald J  Repking
Repkingron(a)aol.com
Flossmoor,  Illinois


Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 14:59:45
From: mstulken <mstulken(a)wi.net>

Thank you!  That's most intresting.
Marilyn

Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/01 15:27:01
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Thank you too Ronald,

Dave

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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:19 AM
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

The following is part of an article by Franz-Josef Tegenkamp.  It  describes

the migration of another group of pedons from Oldenburg to Cincinnati  and 
then to Illinois.
 




[OL] HI David

Date: 2007/02/01 15:48:27
From: roberto glascher <robertoglascher(a)yahoo.com.ar>

I think your surname was allways Holt ,and your
GGgrandfather must have been Hinrichs  which I think
is Henry.
I live in Argentina.We have a town named Holt ,150
Km.north of Buenos Aires.
Good luck.
Robby


	

	
		
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Re: [OL] (no subject)

Date: 2007/02/01 16:17:41
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>

My search is Pommern. Sorry I have no one in the Oldenburg area.
Rgds
Uwe G.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Westerhaus" <dwesterhaus(a)everestkc.net>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:09 AM
Subject: [OL] (no subject)


> I think the hint from Uwe G. POMMERENING is quite good.  I will use it
> myself.
>
> Also - I recently received from my distant cousin, Floyd WINNER,
Coldwater,
> Ohio (which is near Minster, Ohio)a book compiled by the Minster Ohio
> historical society that shares the drawings and diary of Liwat BOKE who
came
> from Neuenkirchen to Cincinnati area in about 1820.  Floyd and I are both
> descendants of WINNER-WESTERHAUS and TAUBKE-WESTERHAUS from
> Neuenkirchen/Voerden area of Oldenburg.  That compilation was very helpful
> in explaining why so many from Neuenkirchen and surrounding communities
> found there way to Cincinnati.  It was also a fascinating explanation of
the
> lifestyle this really remarkable woman had as she and her husband
pioneered
> as farmers 75 miles north of Cincinnati.
>
> The basic explanation squares with an earlier comment - that one or more
> early immigrants from Oldenburg came to Cincinnati (sailing down the Ohio
> river), found the area similar to the area they left, and "pitched" the
area
> to family and friends.
>
> Should anyone have interest in the book from Minster Ohio Historical
Society
> ($25) I can ask Floyd for ordering information.
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug Westerhaus
>
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Re: [OL] Pommeren?

Date: 2007/02/01 16:27:53
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>

Hello, this is what I found:

http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=AncestorSearchResults.asp%3Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26last%5Fname%3DEsius%26fathers%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26fathers%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26mothers%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26mothers%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26spouses%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26spouses%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26from%5Fdate%3D%26to%5Fdate%3D%26date%5Frange%3D%26standardize%3D%26juris1index%3D%26juris2index%3D%26juris1friendly%3D%26juris2friendly%3D%26event%5Findex%3D%26testing%3D%26juris1%3D%26juris2%3D%26juris3%3D

You can use this one too: http://fernabfrage.ahnenforschung.net/

Rgds
Uwe G.

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From: "kumodoke" <kumodoke(a)planet.nl>
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Pommeren?


>
> You wrote:
> Do you really beleave that they all read what you have put down, and if
so,
>  do they than have time left to answer?
>
> Hello Uwe,
>
> Yes indeed, this was the message I was looking for.
> Thanks for your answer.
>
> Yes I believe that the listers read the messages. I read all of them.
> But as I said:  the investigation in Germany is very difficult online
>
> And we are dependent of the online searches.
>
> Do you know something about my family called Esius????
>
> I have never got an answer.
>
> You wrote:
>  Peter POMMERENING got married to Bertha Luise HOLLBERG. One son
>  immigrated to the USA. He married Jane MYERS of Oskosh, WI..
>  while Wilhelm Pommerening never immigrated
>
> My question:
> In what  the year????
>
> Reina
>
>
>
>
>  Are you  looking for this?...........
>
>  To all people in the lists...
>
>
>  Again and again I feel frustrated when I don't get an answer to my
emails.
>  In a German list I found a very nice hint:
>
>  ...CAPITALIZE always each FamilyName (not FirstName) appearing in your
text
>  by the first time .....
>
>  ...ie. Peter POMMERENING got married to Bertha Luise HOLLBERG. One son
>  immigrated to the USA. He married Jane MYERS of Oskosh, WI..
>  while Wilhelm Pommerening never immigrated......
>
>  Please ask yourself, whereto your eyes will focus when reading an email?
> The
>  answer is:  to words VARYING FROM STANDARD, to a DIFFERENT or UNUSUAL
>  APPEARANCE. (Don't use colours, italics or bold face as not all users
have
>  the ability).
>
>  In the lists there are lots of researchers receiving up to 100 emails a
> day.
>  Do you really beleave that they all read what you have put down, and if
so,
>  do they than have time left to answer? I beleave not. Meanwhile I have
>  raised my hit rate extremly by using the above hint.
>
>  When I look for a MAIN NAME in a family, I just put the FamilyName
> appearing
>  the first time in capital letters. The same procedure when I look for
PLACE
>  NAMENS.
>
>  I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if
>  they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You
may
>  explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know
in
>  other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use
>  Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of
us
>  in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W.
>
>  Let me hear about your view of this subject?
>
>  Rgds
>  Uwe G. (POMMERENING)
>
>
>  I search for POMMERENING, BRANDT, DONNER, DOERR.
>
> Reina wrote:
>  All the time I want to say to the person who has send the message about
>  why he has got no answers at this list at his questions.
>
>  But I could not find the message back in the archives. It was something
>  with the name: "Pommeren" or so
>
>  Well, what I like to say is that I have some experience with other (very
>  active)  mailinglists.
>
>  The point is that in f.e. Denmark and in Norway a lot of records are
>  online. So if one ask a question to this list the answer is very quick.
>
> In the regions in Germany there are much lesser records online. So if one
>  ask a questions to a German list, f.e. the Oldenburg List, the answer
will
>  depend if somebody has the familyname, you ask for, in his of her
database.
>
>  I have also got never answers at my questions. But it is not the case
that
> the listers are unwilling.
> It's just that the information is hard to get online in the German
>  regions.
>
>
>
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[OL] (OL) Thanks Uwe

Date: 2007/02/01 17:23:08
From: kumodoke <kumodoke(a)planet.nl>

Thank you Uwe,

May your effort be an example for other listers that there are possibilities online for Germany

Reina

Re: [OL] HI David

Date: 2007/02/01 17:41:24
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Gracias Robby!

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Subject: [OL] HI David

I think your surname was allways Holt ,and your
GGgrandfather must have been Hinrichs  which I think
is Henry.
I live in Argentina.We have a town named Holt ,150
Km.north of Buenos Aires.
Good luck.
Robby


	

	
		
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[OL] New Post--DeHarde family

Date: 2007/02/02 17:23:08
From: us <shirleyijest(a)adelphia.net>

 

I am trying to find information on the DeHarde family of Klippkanne, Brake,
and Vegesak. Specifically the parentage of George Henry DeHarde born in abt
1843. Anyone with information or who like to get the information I have
collected,  please contact me at shirleyijest(a)adelphia.net

Linda



Re: [OL] Kasch

Date: 2007/02/03 02:51:51
From: Francis Blahnik <fblahnik(a)sbcglobal.net>

Thank you for your information.  There are several other Kasch families in this area.  Those I have checked on have come from the Holstein area.  From other things I have seen concerning my maternal great grandfather I think he came from Oldenburg.
         Could you give me a village or  church records that I could investigate further?
   
                            Thanks again for your help.  Francis L. Blahnik
  
Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote:
  We have only two Kasch addresses in the former Dukedom of Oldenburg. But there is a Kasch concentration in the State Schleswig Holstein, part Segeberg and Ost-Holstein. (see http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/Default.aspx )
This area was former a part of the Dukedom of Oldenburg.
>From which port he came over to New York - Bremen is close to Oldenburg and Hamburg close to Schleswig-Holstein.
Good luck,
Werner Honkomp

> I am looking for the ancestors of Claus Kasch. His tombstone, in the
> Tannery Cemetery
> in Two Rivers Wisconsin, states that he was born 13 April 1822. He died
> 20 April 1903.
> In a declaration of intent to become a United States citizen he stated
> that he, Henry Kasch, was born in Oldenburg in 1820, that he arrived in
> the Port of New York in October of 1853. He renounced allegiance to the
> Duke of Oldenberg. He was of the Lutheran faith. Judging by the things
> he did in the United States he was an educated man.
> Any information you can find will be greatly appreciated.

> Francis L. Blahnik
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Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/03 05:54:22
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Thank you Bernie,

My grandfather and great-grandfather's middle names were both Bernard.
Coincidentally it looks like most, if not all, of my ancestors emigrated
about the same time, and were all my G-G grandfathers, or G-G grandmothers.


Some of my ancestors were listed as having been from Hamilton, or Hamilton
County, also.

Regards,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Punte
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:37 PM
To: 'Oldenburg-L'
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

I have Krogmann relatives in Hamilton Ohio, very close to Cincinnati.
My great-great-grandfathers' family emigrated from Oldenberg in 1868.
Most of the family stayed in Baltimore, but one brother and his family
went directly to Hamilton, near Cincinnati.  There were already Krogmann
relatives living in that area of Ohio.  One brother lived with the rest
of the family in Baltimore for several years and later moved to the
Cincinnati area.

Bernie Punte





[OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 1827

Date: 2007/02/03 08:36:05
From: McCoy, Terry G. COL <mccoyt(a)eucom.mil>

I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles
Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827.  
We believe he immigrated to the USA in about 1846.  He lived in Ohio,
then Kentucky and finally in Alabama.

I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to
Oldenburg in pursuit of information.

I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact
information for a possible visit.

Respectfully,
Terry McCoy

Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 1827

Date: 2007/02/03 11:45:17
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Terry,
you are sure that GRAFTON is the right spelling?
The german phone directory listed only one Grafton address in Hamburg, far away from Oldenburg.
Was he lutheran or catholic?
Regards, Werner Honkomp

> I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles
> Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827.
> We believe he immigrated to the USA in about 1846.  He lived in Ohio,
> then Kentucky and finally in Alabama.

> I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to
> Oldenburg in pursuit of information.

> I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact
> information for a possible visit.

> Respectfully,
> Terry McCoy
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[OL] Bredehorn in Friesland

Date: 2007/02/03 12:40:02
From: Tanja Schmidt <tanja.schmidt(a)ewetel.net>

Hello,

 

I'm looking for more informations about the Bredehorn family in Friesland,
expecially for the ancestors of JOHANN RENKE BREDEHORN, born in Bredehorn 04
July 1820. He died in Varel 13 July 1889. He married ANNA WARNTS in Zetel 30
September 1849. His Parents were JOHANN HERMANN BREDEHORN, born 12 June
1778, and HELENE MARGARET DIERKS, born in Hittels 30 March 1786.

Who can give me some directions?

 

Regards,

 

Tanja


Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/03 13:25:47
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>

Hello Werner, Hello David,

i have found a record about some "Hölterhinnerkes".

In 1800 Anna Maria Elisabeth Hölterhinnerkes married Johann Bernardus
Bultman named Hölterhinnerkes.

Anna was born in the Damme area and Johan was born in Nellinghof /
Neuenkirchen. They had 9 Children....

If you need further informations on this please let me know..

Best Regards and a nice Weekend..

Jan Timphaus

Neuenkirchen

My Ancestor Surnames:
Timphaus, Hagedorn, Steinkamp, Zumdohme...

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Werner Honkomp
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2007 22:48
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Hello David,

the real name of your maternal grandfather is Hölterhinrichs.
The origin is a small cottage (15 hectare) in Damme part Borringhausen,
first notice 1724.
The last owner Hülsmann sold the cottage 1907 to the farmer Strieker.

Damme is located in Oldenburger-Münsterland, the catholic south part of the
former Dukedom Oldenburg.
Father David say, the area around Minster in Ohio called Ohio-Münsterland,
as reference to Oldenburger-Münsterland.
The first name of Minster (from Münster) was Stallotown. The teacher Stallo
from Damme was the intiator for emigration movement from
Oldenburger-Münsterland to Ohio.

See also:  http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/

The name Stiers is there not present, the phone directory listed a
concentration in Westphalia, near Duisburg.

I hope it help,
Werner Honkomp

> Thank you Christopher,

> My maternal grandfather was Catholic and we think his predecessors came
> from
> Oldenburg, but no one could find his name listed in any of the records
> from
> there (Holthinrichs).  Someone said that they might have come from the
> Netherlands, but I was not able to find that name there either, only Holt
> which my grandfather shortened his name to this after the 1920s sometime.

> The other "Grosvater" was named Stiers, and they were Protestant.  This
> evidently caused some friction between the two families, and I have been
> trying (without success) to trace the four Stiers brothers (all born in
> Cincy) that my grandmother had.

> David


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Re: [OL] Bredehorn in Friesland

Date: 2007/02/03 13:26:38
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hallo Tanja,
there is a Family Book on CD for Varel:

Ortsfamilienbuch Varel
Verfasser: Hermann Oltmanns, Soest
Preis: 25 Euro
Enthalten sind 23.270 Familien und über 70.000 Personen
Erfasst und eingearbeitet wurden
die Kirchenbücher der ev.-luth. Kirche in Varel von 1676 bis 1900
die Grabstellen und -platten aus der Zeit vor Beginn der Kirchenbücher
vorhandene Haus- und Höferegister ab etwa 1570
ergänzende Daten aus Kirchenbüchern anderer Kirchspiele

You can order it online via:

http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/

then click left on "Online-Shop"

Werner

> Hello,



> I'm looking for more informations about the Bredehorn family in Friesland,
> expecially for the ancestors of JOHANN RENKE BREDEHORN, born in Bredehorn
> 04
> July 1820. He died in Varel 13 July 1889. He married ANNA WARNTS in Zetel
> 30
> September 1849. His Parents were JOHANN HERMANN BREDEHORN, born 12 June
> 1778, and HELENE MARGARET DIERKS, born in Hittels 30 March 1786.

> Who can give me some directions?



> Regards,



> Tanja

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Re: [OL] (no subject)

Date: 2007/02/03 13:27:31
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>

Hello Doug,

it is nice to here from some person who has ancestor in my home town.

I knew some people of the today families of Winner-WEsterhaus and
Taubke-Westerhaus, too..

Have a nice Weekend..

Jan Timphaus

Ancestors: Timphaus, STeinkamp, HAgedorn, Zumdohme

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Doug Westerhaus
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 00:10
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL] (no subject)

I think the hint from Uwe G. POMMERENING is quite good.  I will use it
myself.

Also - I recently received from my distant cousin, Floyd WINNER, Coldwater,
Ohio (which is near Minster, Ohio)a book compiled by the Minster Ohio
historical society that shares the drawings and diary of Liwat BOKE who came
from Neuenkirchen to Cincinnati area in about 1820.  Floyd and I are both
descendants of WINNER-WESTERHAUS and TAUBKE-WESTERHAUS from
Neuenkirchen/Voerden area of Oldenburg.  That compilation was very helpful
in explaining why so many from Neuenkirchen and surrounding communities
found there way to Cincinnati.  It was also a fascinating explanation of the
lifestyle this really remarkable woman had as she and her husband pioneered
as farmers 75 miles north of Cincinnati.

The basic explanation squares with an earlier comment - that one or more
early immigrants from Oldenburg came to Cincinnati (sailing down the Ohio
river), found the area similar to the area they left, and "pitched" the area
to family and friends.

Should anyone have interest in the book from Minster Ohio Historical Society
($25) I can ask Floyd for ordering information.

Regards,

Doug Westerhaus

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Re: [OL] the "Ohio Münsterland"

Date: 2007/02/03 13:29:24
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>

Hello Fr David,

i have in my files a Heinrich Antonius Hoying.
Do you know him?

Regards

Jan Timphaus

Ancestors: Timphaus, Hagedorn, STeinkamp, Zumdohme

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von David
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 06:00
An: Werner Honkomp; Oldenburg-L
Betreff: [OL] the "Ohio Münsterland"

Greetings,

This is Fr. David Hoying from the "Ohio Münsterland".
Yes, check Werner's site for information.
I have record of over 2000 individuals from "Oldenburger
Münsterland" who settled in the "Ohio Münsterland" (the area
around Minster, Fort Loramie, Maria Stein and Saint Henry),
with over 500 of them coming from Damme alone!
I have been working on putting this all together with
a history and a cultural study. It is has been taking me
quite a long time to do this (15 years or so) and I have much yet to do.
I have a parish to take care of, so, do not swamp me with
too many inquiries. And for the moment, also do not expect long
answers.

Than you, Fr. David Hoying, CPPS
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Werner Honkomp" <werner(a)honkomp.de>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area


> Hello David,
>
> the real name of your maternal grandfather is Hölterhinrichs.
> The origin is a small cottage (15 hectare) in Damme part Borringhausen, 
> first notice 1724.
> The last owner Hülsmann sold the cottage 1907 to the farmer Strieker.
>
> Damme is located in Oldenburger-Münsterland, the catholic south part of 
> the former Dukedom Oldenburg.
> Father David say, the area around Minster in Ohio called Ohio-Münsterland,

> as reference to Oldenburger-Münsterland.
> The first name of Minster (from Münster) was Stallotown. The teacher 
> Stallo from Damme was the intiator for emigration movement from 
> Oldenburger-Münsterland to Ohio.
>
> See also:  http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/
>
> The name Stiers is there not present, the phone directory listed a 
> concentration in Westphalia, near Duisburg.
>
> I hope it help,
> Werner Honkomp
>
>> Thank you Christopher,
>
>> My maternal grandfather was Catholic and we think his predecessors came
>> from
>> Oldenburg, but no one could find his name listed in any of the records
>> from
>> there (Holthinrichs).  Someone said that they might have come from the
>> Netherlands, but I was not able to find that name there either, only Holt
>> which my grandfather shortened his name to this after the 1920s sometime.
>
>> The other "Grosvater" was named Stiers, and they were Protestant.  This
>> evidently caused some friction between the two families, and I have been
>> trying (without success) to trace the four Stiers brothers (all born in
>> Cincy) that my grandmother had.
>
>> David
>
>
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Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/03 13:31:07
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>

Hello Bernie,

where is you origin in the Oldenburg Area?

Regards

Jan Timphaus

Ancestors: Timphaus, Steinkamp, Zumdohme, Hagedorn

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bernie Punte
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 00:37
An: 'Oldenburg-L'
Betreff: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

I have Krogmann relatives in Hamilton Ohio, very close to Cincinnati.
My great-great-grandfathers' family emigrated from Oldenberg in 1868.
Most of the family stayed in Baltimore, but one brother and his family
went directly to Hamilton, near Cincinnati.  There were already Krogmann
relatives living in that area of Ohio.  One brother lived with the rest
of the family in Baltimore for several years and later moved to the
Cincinnati area.

Bernie Punte

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of David Otto
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:40 AM
To: 'Oldenburg-L'
Subject: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area



Does anyone know why so many German immigrants settled in the Cincinnati
Ohio area?  I have noticed that there were quite a few who came to
Portsmouth Ohio too (both cities are on the Ohio River and are both port
cities).

Thanks,

David Otto




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[OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 182

Date: 2007/02/03 13:40:38
From: McCoy, Terry G. COL <mccoyt(a)eucom.mil>

Hello Werner,
Thank you for such a quick reply.  
I am sure of the spelling he used in the US.  But, he may have changed
it when he immigrated (abt 1846).  I figure "Charles" was "Carl" before
he left Germany, but I don't know about "Grafton".  
His place of birth is listed as Oldenburg in at least two different US
Censuses, but I don't know if he was from Oldenburg the town, or
Oldenburg the Duchy.

Is that too many unknowns?

Respectfully,
Terry McCoy

------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:29:27 +0100
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Subject: Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 1827
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net

Hello Terry,
you are sure that GRAFTON is the right spelling?
The german phone directory listed only one Grafton address in Hamburg,
far away from Oldenburg.
Was he lutheran or catholic?
Regards, Werner Honkomp

Original message:
I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles
Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827. We believe he immigrated to the
USA in about 1846.  He lived in Ohio, then Kentucky and finally in
Alabama.
I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to
Oldenburg in pursuit of information.
I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact
information for a possible visit.
Respectfully,
Terry McCoy

Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 182

Date: 2007/02/03 13:45:21
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

I would check all the immigration lists in the general time period for
somebody named Graf* from Oldenburg. I too doubt that it was Grafton,
maybe Grafen or Graften but not Grafton.

fred

On 2/3/07, McCoy, Terry G. COL <mccoyt(a)eucom.mil> wrote:
Hello Werner,
Thank you for such a quick reply.
I am sure of the spelling he used in the US.  But, he may have changed
it when he immigrated (abt 1846).  I figure "Charles" was "Carl" before
he left Germany, but I don't know about "Grafton".
His place of birth is listed as Oldenburg in at least two different US
Censuses, but I don't know if he was from Oldenburg the town, or
Oldenburg the Duchy.

Is that too many unknowns?

Respectfully,
Terry McCoy

------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:29:27 +0100
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Subject: Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 1827
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net

Hello Terry,
you are sure that GRAFTON is the right spelling?
The german phone directory listed only one Grafton address in Hamburg,
far away from Oldenburg.
Was he lutheran or catholic?
Regards, Werner Honkomp

Original message:
I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles
Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827. We believe he immigrated to the
USA in about 1846.  He lived in Ohio, then Kentucky and finally in
Alabama.
I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to
Oldenburg in pursuit of information.
I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact
information for a possible visit.
Respectfully,
Terry McCoy
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--
Fred Rump,  Beverly, NJ also
730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120
fredrump(a)gmail.com
http://fredrump.phanfare.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/fredrump

[OL] EILERS - Tossens Area

Date: 2007/02/03 15:25:50
From: Laura Ross-Dedloff <lrossded(a)mail.win.org>

I am seeking information on Diedrich Reinhard Eilers, son of Diedrich Reinhard Eilers and Anna Sophie Dorothee Köhlmus. Diedrich Reinhard EILERS (the son) was born 15.8.1855 in Tossener Altendeich. I need marriage and death information for this individual. I would also like to receive birth/baptismal information for his son, Carl Diedrich Georg Eilers born 1.4.1881, especially any godparents listed for baptism.

Thank you,

Laura Ross-Dedloff


Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/03 16:01:01
From: Doug Fricke <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com>

We are searching for information on the Themann and Gedding families from Oldenburg in the mid 1800s. They sailed on the ship "Baltimore" from Bremen and arrived in Baltimore 26 Nov 1870. They came from the Province of Oldenburg with destination listed as Cincinnati. Anton Themann was 18 years old and Franzicka was 21. They were Catholic and settled in Cincinnati.

Doug Fricke in Indiana



Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/03 17:15:23
From: Nora Hansen <norahansen(a)comcast.net>

Sorry, I have no information that you asked about but did take note of your
last name, Fricke.  Any possible relation to Henrich (Henry) FRICKE born
about 1809 in Dessau, Anhalt, Germany, and came to Fond du Lac Co.,
Wisconsin in 1847?  He was married to Friedericka ZANDER.  Their children
were Amalie b 1835 (+ROLLMAN), Reinhardt b 1840/41 (+SCHUNKE), Lewis b abt.
1843 (+Dora), Waldemar b 1843 (+CARPENTER), and Sophia b 1839.  My husband
descends from Waldemar, who ended up in Lancaster Co., Nebraska.

Just curious, since I don't run across too many Frickes!

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To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area


> We are searching for information on the Themann and Gedding families from
> Oldenburg in the mid 1800s. They sailed on the ship "Baltimore" from
Bremen
> and arrived in Baltimore 26 Nov 1870. They came from the Province of
> Oldenburg with destination listed as Cincinnati. Anton Themann was 18
years
> old and Franzicka was 21. They were Catholic and settled in Cincinnati.
>
> Doug Fricke in Indiana
>
>
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[OL] Ritter-Recht des Herzogthums Bemen

Date: 2007/02/03 17:31:34
From: Hildegard Brümmer <h_br(a)gmx.de>

Hallo an alle Mitstreiter

Durch Zufall habe ich mir das Buch "Ritter-Recht des Herzogthums Bemen" von
1739 digitalisieren können.
Falls interesse besteht:

bitte direkt an:

horst(a)chikano.net

oder

lostbooks(a)chikano.net

Nr. 262 – Ritter-Recht des Herzogthums Bemen, ehemaligen Bremischen Herrn
Ertz-Bischöffe Henrico, im Jahre 1577. gnädigst bestätiget, jetzt aber von
neuen revidieret, erläutert, vermehret und von Ihrer Königlichen Majestät
Georg dem Andern, Könige von Großbritannien, Frankreich und Irrland,
Beschützern des Glaubens, Herzogen zu Braunschweig und Lüneburg, des
heiligen Römischen Reichs Erz-Schatzmeistern und Chur-Fürsten als
Allergnädigstem Landesherrn Allerhöchst confirmiret. Stade, gedruckt 1739.

******************************************************
Ruhiges Wochenende
Hildeg. Brümmer
******************************************************


Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/03 20:19:54
From: Doug Fricke <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com>

Nora,

Thanks for checking but we have no known connection to Wisconsin. We are also searching for the birthplace and parents of Charles W. Fricke, born in Kingdom of Hannover 1836, emigrated to Cincinnati about 1850, died 1913 in Ohio.

Doug Fricke in Indiana

From: "Nora Hansen" <norahansen(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Oldenburg-L <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:14:55 -0800

Sorry, I have no information that you asked about but did take note of your
last name, Fricke.  Any possible relation to Henrich (Henry) FRICKE born
about 1809 in Dessau, Anhalt, Germany, and came to Fond du Lac Co.,
Wisconsin in 1847?  He was married to Friedericka ZANDER.  Their children
were Amalie b 1835 (+ROLLMAN), Reinhardt b 1840/41 (+SCHUNKE), Lewis b abt.
1843 (+Dora), Waldemar b 1843 (+CARPENTER), and Sophia b 1839.  My husband
descends from Waldemar, who ended up in Lancaster Co., Nebraska.

Just curious, since I don't run across too many Frickes!

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To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area


> We are searching for information on the Themann and Gedding families from
> Oldenburg in the mid 1800s. They sailed on the ship "Baltimore" from
Bremen
> and arrived in Baltimore 26 Nov 1870. They came from the Province of
> Oldenburg with destination listed as Cincinnati. Anton Themann was 18
years
> old and Franzicka was 21. They were Catholic and settled in Cincinnati.
>
> Doug Fricke in Indiana
>
>
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Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/04 03:45:06
From: Bernie Punte <berniepunte(a)yahoo.com>

My Punte ancestors were from the Muenster, Langförden.  This is in the
Vechta diocese.  The town I have found in the church records is Varrel.
The same town name appears for 4 generations.  I can find no record of
this town in current records. 

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces+berniepunte=yahoo.com(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces+berniepunte=yahoo.com(a)genealogy.net] On
Behalf Of Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Oldenburg-L'
Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Hello Bernie,

where is you origin in the Oldenburg Area?

Regards

Jan Timphaus

Ancestors: Timphaus, Steinkamp, Zumdohme, Hagedorn

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bernie Punte
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 00:37
An: 'Oldenburg-L'
Betreff: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

I have Krogmann relatives in Hamilton Ohio, very close to Cincinnati.
My great-great-grandfathers' family emigrated from Oldenberg in 1868.
Most of the family stayed in Baltimore, but one brother and his family
went directly to Hamilton, near Cincinnati.  There were already Krogmann
relatives living in that area of Ohio.  One brother lived with the rest
of the family in Baltimore for several years and later moved to the
Cincinnati area.

Bernie Punte

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of David Otto
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:40 AM
To: 'Oldenburg-L'
Subject: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area



Does anyone know why so many German immigrants settled in the Cincinnati
Ohio area?  I have noticed that there were quite a few who came to
Portsmouth Ohio too (both cities are on the Ohio River and are both port
cities).

Thanks,

David Otto




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Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/04 09:49:05
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)T-Online.de>

Hi Bernie,
the current spelling is Vardel. Look here: http://stadtplaene.klicktel.de/location.php?longlat=::::::51510399|56937870&streetnr=Bakumer+Str.+17&zipcity=49377+Vechta&country=D&sid=udr65f0c1le5k7dam789p07o14&mapmode=hybrid and you have an idea how small it is.
Bye
Otto

"Bernie Punte" <berniepunte(a)yahoo.com> schrieb:
> My Punte ancestors were from the Muenster, Langförden.  This is in the
> Vechta diocese.  The town I have found in the church records is Varrel.
> The same town name appears for 4 generations.  I can find no record of
> this town in current records. 


[OL] Vortrag über Totenzettel und Sterbebilder a m 10. Februar in 26135 Oldenburg

Date: 2007/02/04 12:03:43
From: Womartens <Womartens(a)aol.com>

 
Liebe Mitglieder und Listenteilnehmer,  

am Sonnabend, dem 10. Februar 2007, findet um 16.00 Uhr der  nächste Vortrag 
der Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft für Familienkunde e.V. (OGF) im  Vortragsraum 
des Staatsarchivs Oldenburg (Damm 43) statt. 
Parkplätze sind hinter dem Gebäude und an der Kanalstrasse vorhanden, der  
Eintritt ist frei.
 

Die Referentinnen sind Ruth Decker und Monika von  Hammel (Cloppenburg) 
und das Thema lautet: 
„Totengedenkzettel - Erinnerung und genealogische Quelle“ (mit  Lichtbildern)
 
Totenzettel sind auch unter den Begriffen Trauerzettel oder Trauerbilder,  
Sterbezettel oder Sterbebilder und als Totenbilder bekannt. Sie enthalten  
meistens den Namen, das Geburts- und Sterbedatum, den Geburts- und Sterbeort des  
Verstorbenen. 
 
Weiterhin sind häufig Hinweise auf den Beruf, den Lebensverlauf, die  Familie 
mit Ehepartner und Kindern sowie die Todesursache auf Totenzetteln  vermerkt. 
Auch besondere Auszeichnungen und Ehrungen können aufgeführt sein.  
Biografische Daten, die dem Genealogen wertvolle Hinweise für seine Forschungen  geben 
können. 

Die Referentinnen haben zurzeit etwa 28.000 Totenzettel, überwiegend aus  dem 
Oldenburger Münsterland, erfaßt. Sie bilden eine reiche Informationsquelle  
für Heimat- und Familienforscher, wobei die ältesten Exemplare aus dem Jahre  
1850 stammen. 
 
Die dazugehörige Publikation wird von der Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft für  
Familienkunde in Zusammenarbeit mit dem Familienkundlichen Arbeitskreis im  
Geschichtsausschuss des Heimatbundes für das Oldenburger Münsterland  
herausgegeben. Es ist zugleich Band 2 in der Reihe "Quellen und Forschungen zur  
oldenburgischen Familienkunde", der von der OGF als DVD-ROM kommenden Sonnabend  
präsentiert wird, der Preis beträgt 20,00 Euro und ist über den Internet-Shop  
erhältlich.
 
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Wolfgang Martens
www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de
mit Internet-Shop
 
 
 
 
 


Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Wolfgang Martens
www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de
mit  Online-Shop



Re: [OL] Pommeren?

Date: 2007/02/04 15:31:20
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>

Hello Reina,

I checked my data back and forth. I have no ESUIS.
Sorry
Mfg
Uwe

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From: "kumodoke" <kumodoke(a)planet.nl>
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Pommeren?


>
> You wrote:
> Do you really beleave that they all read what you have put down, and if
so,
>  do they than have time left to answer?
>
> Hello Uwe,
>
> Yes indeed, this was the message I was looking for.
> Thanks for your answer.
>
...........



Re: [OL] Pommeren?

Date: 2007/02/04 16:07:56
From: kumodoke <kumodoke(a)planet.nl>

Thanks for looking.
It's difficult to find him back before 1812
Time onwards, after 1812,  I have all the records.

May be I will get once further back in time.
Thanks
Reina

You wrote:
I checked my data back and forth. I have no ESUIS.
Sorry
Mfg
Uwe



Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 182

Date: 2007/02/04 19:33:29
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Terry,

I checked the Oldenburg Duchy and the town, but there is only Graf or Grafe, all in the lutheran part of Oldenburg.
Maybe you can find the passenger list for checking the right spelling.
Good luck,
Werner


> Hello Werner,
> Thank you for such a quick reply.
> I am sure of the spelling he used in the US.  But, he may have changed
> it when he immigrated (abt 1846).  I figure "Charles" was "Carl" before
> he left Germany, but I don't know about "Grafton".
> His place of birth is listed as Oldenburg in at least two different US
> Censuses, but I don't know if he was from Oldenburg the town, or
> Oldenburg the Duchy.

> Is that too many unknowns?

> Respectfully,
> Terry McCoy

> ------------------------------
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:29:27 +0100
> From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
> Subject: Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 1827
> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net

> Hello Terry,
> you are sure that GRAFTON is the right spelling?
> The german phone directory listed only one Grafton address in Hamburg,
> far away from Oldenburg.
> Was he lutheran or catholic?
> Regards, Werner Honkomp

> Original message:
> I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles
> Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827. We believe he immigrated to the
> USA in about 1846.  He lived in Ohio, then Kentucky and finally in
> Alabama.
> I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to
> Oldenburg in pursuit of information.
> I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact
> information for a possible visit.
> Respectfully,
> Terry McCoy
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Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area

Date: 2007/02/04 19:33:32
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Doug,

Gedding could be Gerding. I have two places of origin of Gerding in catholic part of Oldenburg, one in Lohne-Zerhusen, the other in Goldenstedt-Ambergen.
Then I have three places of origin for Themann: Vechta-Telbrake, Vestrup-Hausstette, Damme-Ondrup.

Goldenstedt and Vechta have a common border, therefore could be that this couple came from this parishes.

I think you should check the LDS records for this parishes.

Good luck,
Werner Honkomp


> We are searching for information on the Themann and Gedding families from
> Oldenburg in the mid 1800s. They sailed on the ship "Baltimore" from
> Bremen
> and arrived in Baltimore 26 Nov 1870. They came from the Province of
> Oldenburg with destination listed as Cincinnati. Anton Themann was 18
> years
> old and Franzicka was 21. They were Catholic and settled in Cincinnati.

> Doug Fricke in Indiana


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[OL] B Ö CKMANN/BOECKMANN

Date: 2007/02/04 21:13:22
From: Carola Conde <carola(a)miguelconde.info>

Hello!

I¹m interested in tracing the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef
Boeckmann who was born in Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of June,
1855,  and came to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in
1882 and settled in Connecticut.

All that I recall having been told by my grandmother is: that her parents
had met aboard his father¹s ship where he was a crew member when she was
emigrating from Halle/Leipzig; that Josef was the youngest of 11 children
and had a brother, Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother Werner
and one sister, Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own ship
and sailed regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as well
as a vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was murdered in
Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold that he
carried! 

So far I have not been successful in finding either of my gg-grandparents on
a passenger list nor a Boeckmann listed as the master.

Thank you so much if anyone would have any information about this family
....

Carola (in Spain)

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Re: [OL] B ÖCKMANN/BOECKMANN

Date: 2007/02/04 22:54:38
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Carola,

I have:
- Joseph Böckmann, born 16.Sep.1855 in Steinfeld or Mühlen (Mühlen is a part of Steinfeld)
Parents: Franz Ferdinand Böckmann and Maria Theresia Osterhus

Could it be yours?
Regards,
Werner Honkomp, Oldenburg

> Hello!

> I¹m interested in tracing the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef
> Boeckmann who was born in Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of June,
> 1855,  and came to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in
> 1882 and settled in Connecticut.

> All that I recall having been told by my grandmother is: that her parents
> had met aboard his father¹s ship where he was a crew member when she was
> emigrating from Halle/Leipzig; that Josef was the youngest of 11 children
> and had a brother, Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother Werner
> and one sister, Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own ship
> and sailed regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as well
> as a vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was murdered
> in
> Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold that he
> carried!

> So far I have not been successful in finding either of my gg-grandparents
> on
> a passenger list nor a Boeckmann listed as the master.

> Thank you so much if anyone would have any information about this family
> ....

> Carola (in Spain)

> --
> Carola Condé
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Re: [OL] B ÖCKMANN/BOECKMANN

Date: 2007/02/05 00:16:57
From: CBeekman <CBeekman(a)aol.com>

 
Hello to all, 
 
Does this name likely relate to the surname of Beekman or Beeckman, which  
seems relatively common both in Ostfriesland and Holland?
 
Thanks
 
c
 

Hello  Carola,

I have:
- Joseph Böckmann, born 16.Sep.1855 in Steinfeld or  Mühlen (Mühlen is a part 
of Steinfeld)
Parents: Franz Ferdinand Böckmann  and Maria Theresia Osterhus

Could it be yours?
Regards,
Werner  Honkomp, Oldenburg

> Hello!

> I¹m interested in tracing  the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef
> Boeckmann who was born in  Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of June,
> 1855,  and came  to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in
> 1882 and  settled in Connecticut.

> All that I recall having been told by my  grandmother is: that her parents
> had met aboard his father¹s ship  where he was a crew member when she was
> emigrating from Halle/Leipzig;  that Josef was the youngest of 11 children
> and had a brother,  Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother Werner
> and one sister,  Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own ship
> and sailed  regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as well
> as a  vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was murdered
>  in
> Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold  that he
> carried!

> So far I have not been successful in  finding either of my gg-grandparents
> on
> a passenger list nor a  Boeckmann listed as the master.

> Thank you so much if anyone would  have any information about this family
> ....

> Carola (in  Spain)

> --
> Carola Condé
>  carola(a)miguelconde.info



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Re: [OL] B ÖCKMANN/BOECKMANN

Date: 2007/02/05 09:10:44
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

I doun't believe it, because Steinfeld and around 98% catholics on this time and Ostfriesland and Holland mainly lutherans. It could only be, that a Böckmann go from Steinfeld to Holland as season worker (Hollandgänger).
Werner

> Hello to all,

> Does this name likely relate to the surname of Beekman or Beeckman, which
> seems relatively common both in Ostfriesland and Holland?

> Thanks

> c


> Hello  Carola,

> I have:
> - Joseph Böckmann, born 16.Sep.1855 in Steinfeld or  Mühlen (Mühlen is a
> part
> of Steinfeld)
> Parents: Franz Ferdinand Böckmann  and Maria Theresia Osterhus

> Could it be yours?
> Regards,
> Werner  Honkomp, Oldenburg

>> Hello!

>> I¹m interested in tracing  the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef
>> Boeckmann who was born in  Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of
>> June,
>> 1855,  and came  to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in
>> 1882 and  settled in Connecticut.

>> All that I recall having been told by my  grandmother is: that her
>> parents
>> had met aboard his father¹s ship  where he was a crew member when she was
>> emigrating from Halle/Leipzig;  that Josef was the youngest of 11
>> children
>> and had a brother,  Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother
>> Werner
>> and one sister,  Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own
>> ship
>> and sailed  regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as
>> well
>> as a  vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was
>> murdered
>>  in
>> Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold  that
>> he
>> carried!

>> So far I have not been successful in  finding either of my
>> gg-grandparents
>> on
>> a passenger list nor a  Boeckmann listed as the master.

>> Thank you so much if anyone would  have any information about this family
>> ....

>> Carola (in  Spain)

>> --
>> Carola Condé
>>  carola(a)miguelconde.info



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Re: [OL] B Ö CKMANN/BOECKMANN

Date: 2007/02/05 14:50:42
From: Carola Conde <carola(a)miguelconde.info>

The following message has been returned to me twice, so I¹m resending it to
this address too!

Hello Werner,

Thank you so much for your prompt reply, but I don't think your Joseph is my
Johann Josef. I had heard of your Joseph some years ago but the exact date
of birth and the fact that he was one of fewer children didn't coincide with
the little information that I have.

I've always wondered if there might not be a listing in the latter half of
the 1800s of residents of Oldenburg with their respective occupations and if
so, if gg-grandfather Böckmann, the sea captain, or his son, Clemence, the
cigar manufacturer, might be listed.

Rereading my original message I now note that I had mistakenly referred to
Johann Josef Boeckmann as my gg-grandfather when, in fact, he was my
g-grandfather. Just to set the record right!

Saludos,

Carola

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> From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
> Reply-To: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>, Oldenburg-L
> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:50:19 +0100
> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: Re: [OL] B ÖCKMANN/BOECKMANN
> 
> Hello Carola,
> 
> I have:
> - Joseph Böckmann, born 16.Sep.1855 in Steinfeld or Mühlen (Mühlen is a part
> of Steinfeld)
> Parents: Franz Ferdinand Böckmann and Maria Theresia Osterhus
> 
> Could it be yours?
> Regards,
> Werner Honkomp, Oldenburg
> 
>> Hello!
> 
>> I¹m interested in tracing the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef
>> Boeckmann who was born in Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of June,
>> 1855,  and came to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in
>> 1882 and settled in Connecticut.
> 
>> All that I recall having been told by my grandmother is: that her parents
>> had met aboard his father¹s ship where he was a crew member when she was
>> emigrating from Halle/Leipzig; that Josef was the youngest of 11 children
>> and had a brother, Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother Werner
>> and one sister, Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own ship
>> and sailed regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as well
>> as a vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was murdered
>> in
>> Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold that he
>> carried!
> 
>> So far I have not been successful in finding either of my gg-grandparents
>> on
>> a passenger list nor a Boeckmann listed as the master.
> 
>> Thank you so much if anyone would have any information about this family
>> ....
> 
>> Carola (in Spain)
> 
>> --
>> Carola Condé
>> carola(a)miguelconde.info
> 
> 
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[OL] Taufpaten Dykhausen und Neustadtgödens

Date: 2007/02/06 12:37:09
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>

Liebe Liste!
Letzten Herbst hatte ich Euch 2 von mir erstellte Excel-Listen angeboten, einmal die Taufpaten von Dykhausen, dann die Taufpaten von Neustadtgödens. Da mein PC zwischenzeitlich einen Crash hatte und alle meine Dateien weg sind, habe ich die Listen selbst nicht mehr. Ich habe die Listen an einige von Euch geschickt. Wer hat sie noch und kann mir die Excel-Datei mailen?
Vielen, vielen Dank und Grüße aus Schwaben,
Andrea (Korbanka)

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[OL] Taufpaten Dykhausen und Neustadtgödens

Date: 2007/02/06 12:37:30
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>

Liebe Liste!
Letzten Herbst hatte ich Euch 2 von mir erstellte Excel-Listen angeboten, einmal die Taufpaten von Dykhausen, dann die Taufpaten von Neustadtgödens. Da mein PC zwischenzeitlich einen Crash hatte und alle meine Dateien weg sind, habe ich die Listen selbst nicht mehr. Ich habe die Listen an einige von Euch geschickt. Wer hat sie noch und kann mir die Excel-Datei mailen?
Vielen, vielen Dank und Grüße aus Schwaben,
Andrea (Korbanka)

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Re: [OL] Taufpaten Dykhausen und Neustadtgödens

Date: 2007/02/06 13:20:40
From: Heinz Wiemann <Heinz.Wiemann(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Andrea,

ich schicke die Listen direkt (wg. Anhang).

Heinz (Wiemann)

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Subject: [OL] Taufpaten Dykhausen und Neustadtgödens


Liebe Liste!
Letzten Herbst hatte ich Euch 2 von mir erstellte Excel-Listen angeboten,
einmal die Taufpaten von Dykhausen, dann die Taufpaten von Neustadtgödens.
Da mein PC zwischenzeitlich einen Crash hatte und alle meine Dateien weg
sind, habe ich die Listen selbst nicht mehr. Ich habe die Listen an einige
von Euch geschickt. Wer hat sie noch und kann mir die Excel-Datei mailen?
Vielen, vielen Dank und Grüße aus Schwaben,
Andrea (Korbanka)

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[OL] Ahnensuche Gerdes

Date: 2007/02/06 18:15:47
From: Michael Vogel <vogel_michael(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Listenmitglieder,

 

ich suche Ahnen und Daten von :

 

>Beate Gerdes

* 20.10.1782 in Wardenburg

+05.04.1821 in Littel

 

Verheiratet mit Hermann Anton Otten am 12.06.1807

 

Vater von Beate Gerdes war Heinrich Gerdes

 

 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

 

Michael ( Vogel )


[OL] Vortrag über Staatsarchiv Osnabrück am 10 .Feb 2007

Date: 2007/02/06 23:35:09
From: Bernhard Struckmann <Bernhard.Struckmann(a)t-online.de>

Monatliches Treffen des
Arbeitskreises Familienforschung Osnabrück e.V. 
 
10. Februar 2007 14.00 Uhr 
Landhaus Mehring 
Iburgerstr. 240 
Osnabrück-Nahne 

Dr. Nicolas Rügge, Staatsarchiv Osnabrück:
 "Genealogische Quellen im Staatsarchiv Osnabrück" 

Der Referent, Archivrat am Staatsarchiv Osnabrück, 
wird zunächst kurz auf die sachliche und regionale
Zuständigkeit des Staatsarchivs eingehen:
 Welche Arten von Schriftgut aus welchen Regionen 
 sind im Staatsarchiv Osnabrück zu erwarten?
Danach werden die wesentlichen "genealogischen Akten-
produzenten" bzw. Bestände und Quellengattungen vorgestellt.

Zum Schluß präsentiert Dr. Rügge das von ihm erstellte 
Inventar über die genealogischen Quellen im Staatsarchiv Osnabrück. 


Arbeitskreises Familienforschung Osnabrück e.V.
 http://www.osfa.de


[OL] Oldenburg Records

Date: 2007/02/07 19:30:45
From: Jan & John King <scooter(a)cruzio.com>

Hello -

I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting the
Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall.  Could anyone provide suggestions as
to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the
civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer
families from that region.  

Thank you in advance for your assistance,
Janice King

[OL] Ahnenforschung

Date: 2007/02/07 21:24:40
From: franz-josef.wilgen <franz-josef.wilgen(a)ewetel.net>



    suche die Eltern von :

Friedrich Wilgen geb. 13.03.1870 in Kleinenkneten

    woher kamen seine Eltern und wann und wo sind Sie geboren.

    Vieleicht können Sie mir bei meinen  Nachforschungen weiter helfen.

                             Vielen Dank im voraus

                                          mfg

                                           Franz-Josef Wilgen
Nikolausdorf 07.02.07

Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records

Date: 2007/02/07 22:50:35
From: Ruth Decker <ruth.decker(a)gmx.de>

Jan & John King schrieb:

Hello -

I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting the
Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall.  Could anyone provide suggestions as
to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the
civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer
families from that region.
Thank you in advance for your assistance,
Janice King
Oldenburg-L mailing list
Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l

Hallo,
versuchen sie mal unter

http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/
downloads
http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/downloads.html
DVD Totenzettel und Sterbebilder <http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pdf>
dort finden sie sicher
Karnbrock
Tinnermann
Hülskamp
Meyer
viel Erfolg.
Gruß Ruth



Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records

Date: 2007/02/08 02:22:21
From: Ykoiwa <Ykoiwa(a)aol.com>

Ruth,
 
I saw your email re: your plans to visit Oldenburg in the  fall. You have the 
language skills, but unfortunately I don't.(even tho my  grandfather and 
other ancestors came from Germany).
I have a disc language set, but German pronunciation is a bit  tricky. 
 
Do you have any idea about how difficult it would be for  my wife and I to 
get around in that area.   We visited the city  of Kehl in 2004(near Stasburg) 
and the village of Helmlingen where my  grandfather came from. It was a bit of 
a struggle to survive for a week, but we  did and enjoyed the time very much. 
 
We have an ancestor who came from Dorum and his wife who  came from 
Beverstedt. These are the two places we hope to visit, possibly in the  fall of this 
year, October.
 
Any thoughts?  Any thoughts would be  appreciated.
 
Karl E. Wahl
Bellevue, WA
 
   

Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records

Date: 2007/02/08 03:40:54
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Karl, 

You didn't ask me but when I was in Germany in the late 1970s everyone under
the age of 40 spoke very good English.  I think they are required to take
several years of it in school.

Good luck,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Ykoiwa(a)aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:22 PM
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records


Ruth,
 
I saw your email re: your plans to visit Oldenburg in the  fall. You have
the 
language skills, but unfortunately I don't.(even tho my  grandfather and 
other ancestors came from Germany).
I have a disc language set, but German pronunciation is a bit  tricky. 
 
Do you have any idea about how difficult it would be for  my wife and I to 
get around in that area.   We visited the city  of Kehl in 2004(near
Stasburg) 
and the village of Helmlingen where my  grandfather came from. It was a bit
of 
a struggle to survive for a week, but we  did and enjoyed the time very
much. 
 
We have an ancestor who came from Dorum and his wife who  came from 
Beverstedt. These are the two places we hope to visit, possibly in the  fall
of this 
year, October.
 
Any thoughts?  Any thoughts would be  appreciated.
 
Karl E. Wahl
Bellevue, WA
 
   
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Re: [OL] Ahnenforschung

Date: 2007/02/08 17:02:49
From: Bernd Blömer <bernd.bloemer(a)ewetel.net>

mir ist der Name Wilgen aus Ambergen bei Goldenstedt bekannt.

gruß
Bernd
----- Original Message ----- From: "franz-josef.wilgen" <franz-josef.wilgen(a)ewetel.net>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:24 PM
Subject: [OL] Ahnenforschung




    suche die Eltern von :

                                    Friedrich Wilgen geb. 13.03.1870 in
Kleinenkneten

    woher kamen seine Eltern und wann und wo sind Sie geboren.

    Vieleicht können Sie mir bei meinen  Nachforschungen weiter helfen.

                             Vielen Dank im voraus

                                          mfg

                                           Franz-Josef Wilgen

Nikolausdorf  07.02.07
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Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records

Date: 2007/02/08 17:03:54
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Janice,

under the website:   http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/
you can find the download for death records of Cloppenburg area (big pdf file).
It called DVD Totenzettel und Sterbebilder:

http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pdf

There you can find: Karnbrock (for Karneboge), Tinnermann, Hülskamp and Meyer.

Good luck and greetings from Ruth Decker

Translated by Werner Honkomp


> Hello -

> I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting
> the
> Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall.  Could anyone provide suggestions as
> to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the
> civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer
> families from that region.

> Thank you in advance for your assistance,
> Janice King
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l



Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records

Date: 2007/02/08 18:17:35
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Dorum and Beverstedt are located near Bremerhaven - check hannover-list:

http://www.beverstedt.de/
http://www.dorum.de/

Werner


> Ruth,

> I saw your email re: your plans to visit Oldenburg in the  fall. You have
> the
> language skills, but unfortunately I don't.(even tho my  grandfather and
> other ancestors came from Germany).
> I have a disc language set, but German pronunciation is a bit  tricky.

> Do you have any idea about how difficult it would be for  my wife and I to
> get around in that area.   We visited the city  of Kehl in 2004(near
> Stasburg)
> and the village of Helmlingen where my  grandfather came from. It was a
> bit of
> a struggle to survive for a week, but we  did and enjoyed the time very
> much.

> We have an ancestor who came from Dorum and his wife who  came from
> Beverstedt. These are the two places we hope to visit, possibly in the
> fall of this
> year, October.

> Any thoughts?  Any thoughts would be  appreciated.

> Karl E. Wahl
> Bellevue, WA


> Oldenburg-L mailing list
> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l



[OL] THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS

Date: 2007/02/08 22:07:38
From: Donna in Houston <thegypsies(a)yahoo.com>

Ernst August THEILENGERDES was born 22 February 1884.  He and his brother Fritz or Friedrich (born 23 January 1879), sister, Johanne or Johanna (born 17 February 1882), their mother Anna (maiden name HEINJE or HEINJES--born approximately 1850-1860, and married in 1876), and father Georg Gerhard Theilengerdes (born 5 July 1848) emigrated to America on 30 September 1888 on a ship named the "Saale".  They landed in New York on October 15, 1888.  The family settled in the state of Texas.  When the brothers filed naturalization papers to become citizens of the United States, they indicated that they had come from Grand Dulcy, Greater Oldenburg, Germany.
   
    In 1890, Georg Gerhard Theilengerdes was a witness at the second marriage of the widow Helene Sophie Theilengerdes OELTJENDIERS.  It is possible that Mr. Theilengerdes was a relative of the bride. 
   
  The families belonged to Lutheran churches in Texas.
   
  I would appreciate any help in finding where these families lived in Greater Oldenburg.
   
  Thank you,
  Donna Seidel, Houston, Texas, USA   (e-mail:  thegypsies (at) yahoo.com)
   
   


 
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Re: [OL] THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS

Date: 2007/02/08 23:09:36
From: Ernst Heinje <ernst.heinje(a)ewetel.net>

Donna

In my database I have the following 
- Anna Heinje, *12.04.1845 Edewecht, Parents are Hermann Diedrich Heinje and
Sophie Margarete Röbber
- Anna Heinje, *03.07.1840 Aschhausen, Parents are Anna Margarete
Hobbie-Janssen
Unfortunately there are no more data on marriage and husbands.
Do you have any names of the parents of your Anna Heinje. If so I could
provide some of the ancestors of your Anna.

Ernst Heinje



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[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Donna in Houston
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 22:07
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL] THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS

Ernst August THEILENGERDES was born 22 February 1884.  He and his brother
Fritz or Friedrich (born 23 January 1879), sister, Johanne or Johanna (born
17 February 1882), their mother Anna (maiden name HEINJE or HEINJES--born
approximately 1850-1860, and married in 1876), and father Georg Gerhard
Theilengerdes (born 5 July 1848) emigrated to America on 30 September 1888
on a ship named the "Saale".  They landed in New York on October 15, 1888.
The family settled in the state of Texas.  When the brothers filed
naturalization papers to become citizens of the United States, they
indicated that they had come from Grand Dulcy, Greater Oldenburg, Germany.
   
    In 1890, Georg Gerhard Theilengerdes was a witness at the second
marriage of the widow Helene Sophie Theilengerdes OELTJENDIERS.  It is
possible that Mr. Theilengerdes was a relative of the bride. 
   
  The families belonged to Lutheran churches in Texas.
   
  I would appreciate any help in finding where these families lived in
Greater Oldenburg.
   
  Thank you,
  Donna Seidel, Houston, Texas, USA   (e-mail:  thegypsies (at) yahoo.com)
   
   


 
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[OL] Janning

Date: 2007/02/09 15:25:37
From: betty . krull <betty.krull(a)freenet.de>

   Liebe Mittglieder,

   In Amsterdam heiratet am 12-2-1845 Hendrica  van Beek ,Bernardus
   Janning geboren 11-9-1815 Neukirchen Preuschen

   Sohn von Johannes Hermanus Janning und Margaretha Elisabeth Jannning.

   Ob von die beiden die Name Janning ist, oder nur von Margaretha
   Elisabeth das ist die frage.

   Hat jemand mehre informationen über die beide, und  aus welche Neu (e)
   kirche (n) kommen die.

   Vielen dank im Voraus,

   Betty Krull
   --
   Martin en Betty Krull
   Raiffeisenstrasse 5
   49832 Beesten Dld
   05905-945175

[OL] Internetseite (Relaunch) - Familienforschung KRACKE

Date: 2007/02/09 15:31:01
From: Timo Kracke <timo(a)kracke.org>

Hallo zusammen!

Nachdem es ja einige Zeit recht ruhig geworden ist um mich und meine Ahnenforschungsaktivitäten, habe ich mich mal wieder ein bisschen aufgerappelt und würde gerne wieder vermehrt Nachforschungen anstellen.

Zum Start habe ich meine gesamten Forschungen noch einmal neu zusammengefasst und auf meine Internetseite gestellt.

Hiermit sind dann alle recht herzlich eingeladen mal vorbei zu schauen.
www.kracke.org


Mit Datenbankanbindung zur übersichtlichen Suche, Namenslexikon (zumindest für meine gängigen Namen!), Photos, Dokumente usw.

Top Namen:
1. KRACKE (264), 2. NIEUWENBROEK (45), 3. ZIEHM (15), 4. MEYER (13), 5. KRAKKE (11), 6. COLDEWEY (9), 7. SCHARWIG (8) ,8. SCHNEIDER (8), 9. WACHTENDORF (8), 10. WECKER (8), 11. KESSLER (6), 12. DENKER (6), 13. DETKEN (5)

Top Orte:
1. Ganderkesee, 2. Hannover, 3. Harpstedt, 4. Delmenhorst, 5. Sulingen, 6. Kirchspiel Lesum (2), 7. Bassum (2)


Natürlich freue ich mich auch über Anregungen, Kritik oder Lob - entweder übers Gästebuch, oder via Email an timo(a)kracke.org .

Auch wer sich beteiligen möchte, oder eine Möglichkeit sucht, seine eigene Forschungen anzubieten (sofern eine Namensverwandtschaft gegeben ist) ist herzlich willkommen dies zu tun.

Freue mich schon auf eure Antworten ...

Gruß Timo Kracke

--
Timo Kracke
Bogenweg 23a, 27777 Ganderkesee

··· timo(at)kracke.org ·  www.kracke.org···

·· AHNENFORSCHUNG ··
·· KRACKE · WACHTENDORF · KESSLER · NIEUWENBROEK · NOWAK ··



Re: [OL] Janning

Date: 2007/02/09 17:11:12
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hallo Betty,
der Name Janning kommt in Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg nicht vor.
Aber in Neuenkirchen bei Rheine / Bad Bentheim ist Name im Telefonbuch 25 mal vertreten.
Viel Glück,
Werner


>    Liebe Mittglieder,

>    In Amsterdam heiratet am 12-2-1845 Hendrica  van Beek ,Bernardus
>    Janning geboren 11-9-1815 Neukirchen Preuschen

>    Sohn von Johannes Hermanus Janning und Margaretha Elisabeth Jannning.

>    Ob von die beiden die Name Janning ist, oder nur von Margaretha
>    Elisabeth das ist die frage.

>    Hat jemand mehre informationen über die beide, und  aus welche Neu (e)
>    kirche (n) kommen die.

>    Vielen dank im Voraus,

>    Betty Krull
>    --
>    Martin en Betty Krull
>    Raiffeisenstrasse 5
>    49832 Beesten Dld
>    05905-945175
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Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2007/02/09 17:52:03
From: klausgrete <Klausgrete(a)gmx.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
hiermit möchte ich mich als Neumitglied vorstellen:
Ich heiße Heinrich Klausgrete, bin 51 Jahre alt und  wohne
in NRW (Hilden).
Ich forsche nach den Namen Klausgrete, Clausgrete, Klausgrethe, sowie weiteren anderen schreibweisen mit Bindestrich aus dem Großraum Essen i.O. sowie Möller und Heuermann aus dem Raum Cloppenburg.

Wer kann mir weiterhelfen?

Danke und viele Grüße
Heinrich Klausgrete

Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records

Date: 2007/02/09 23:26:51
From: Linda Boorom <lboorom(a)fuse.net>

Werner,
Thank you so much for translating this. I, for one, only have the very basics in
the german language, if you could even call it that :-) date born married or
died, the town (somtimes) parents, witness or spouse.

Are there other German databases online out there for us to search?

At this point my several ancestors seem to be in the area's of Visbek,
Goldenstedt, Langforden, Oythe, Vechta, Wildeshausen, Emstek & areas not looked
at yet may include Vestrup & Bakum.

Linda Boorom
Cincinnati
Ancestors include  Eilers, Engelstrate, Dünhöft, Frese/Freese, Hellmann,
Hogeback, Kühling, Luetmann, Menke, Nehues/Neihaus, Rentze, Repking, Schulte,
Wilkens and ..........
Currently working on Dünhöft in Cincinnati & Covington from "Oldenburg" & have
set up a web page here:
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~boorom/dunhoft/dunhoft.html


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Werner Honkomp" <werner(a)honkomp.de>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records


Hello Janice,

under the website:   http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/
you can find the download for death records of Cloppenburg area (big pdf file).
It called DVD Totenzettel und Sterbebilder:

http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pdf

There you can find: Karnbrock (for Karneboge), Tinnermann, Hülskamp and Meyer.

Good luck and greetings from Ruth Decker

Translated by Werner Honkomp


> Hello -

> I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting
> the
> Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall.  Could anyone provide suggestions as
> to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the
> civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer
> families from that region.

> Thank you in advance for your assistance,
> Janice King
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l


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[OL] Hoyer Schade - Neuvorstellung

Date: 2007/02/10 13:53:12
From: Werner Garbade <apotheke.dreihausen(a)vr-web.de>

Liebe Oldenburg-Listies!

Zunächst möchte ich mich als neu angemeldet vorstellen:
Werner Garbade
Bremer Mausmitglied, wohnhaft im Marburger Land.
Hauptsächlich mit Bremer, Hannoveraner und Vorfahren aus dem Osnabrücker Bereich auf meiner Seite,
Ostfriesen und Emsländer und Bergische Ahnen bei meiner Frau!
Dabei bleibt die Berührung mit dem Oldenburger Gebiet nicht aus.
Meine erste Frage betrifft aus der Ahnentafel meiner Frau:

Anna Adelheid HOYER get. 19.2.1789 Essen i.O.
Paten: Anna Adelheid Pott g. Hoyer, Rudolf Caspar Schade oo 20.11.1811 Quakenbrück mit Johannes Joseph Bertling
                                     +  17.8.1853 Quakenbrück
Von Ihren Eltern habe ich nur folgende Angaben:
Johann Anton Hoyer, Procurator, auf Albers Hof bei Essen i.O.
                                      oo 1785 Anna Catharina Maria SCHADE

Wer kann mir bei diesem Ehepaar weiterhelfen?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Werner (Garbade)



Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records

Date: 2007/02/10 14:28:14
From: REPKINGRON <REPKINGRON(a)aol.com>

 
Linda,
 
I see my surname, REPKING, on your list.  Many of my ancestors  came from 
Oldenburg.   The REPKING branch came from  Oythe.  With some help from this list, 
I have traced them back to  1440.  
 
Over the past few years, I  transcribed some of the baptism records  for The 
Church of The Blessed Virgin in Oythe, now called St Marien.  I am  up to 
1730.  
 
Recently, I completed a translation of a  pamphlet entitled  "Geschichte der 
Kirche und Pfarrei St. Marien in Oythe", "History of the Church  and Parish of 
St Mary in Oythe".  The author is Günter Meyer, Oythe - ö  1992 Vechta 
Druckerei und Verlag Sonderdruck aus Beitrage zur Geschichte der  Stadt Vechta. 
 
If you are interested, I can send you a copy of the translation, and/or  
baptisms.
 
My NEEHUES/NIEHAUS  come from Bokel, amt Cloppenburg, Oldenburg and  are 
found in the church book for Cappeln, amt Cloppenburg, Oldenburg - St Peter  und 
Paul Catholic Church.   
  
Please contact me off line and we can exchange information.
 
 
Ronald J  Repking
Repkingron(a)aol.com
Flossmoor, Illinois

 
In a message dated 2/9/07 4:27:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
lboorom(a)fuse.net writes:

Werner,
Thank you so much for translating this. I, for one, only  have the very 
basics in
the german language, if you could even call it that  :-) date born married or
died, the town (somtimes) parents, witness or  spouse.

Are there other German databases online out there for us to  search?

At this point my several ancestors seem to be in the area's of  Visbek,
Goldenstedt, Langforden, Oythe, Vechta, Wildeshausen, Emstek &  areas not 
looked
at yet may include Vestrup & Bakum.

Linda  Boorom
Cincinnati
Ancestors include  Eilers, Engelstrate, Dünhöft,  Frese/Freese, Hellmann,
Hogeback, Kühling, Luetmann, Menke, Nehues/Neihaus,  Rentze, Repking, Schulte,
Wilkens and ..........
Currently working on  Dünhöft in Cincinnati & Covington from "Oldenburg" & 
have
set up a  web page  here:
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~boorom/dunhoft/dunhoft.html


-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "Werner Honkomp"  <werner(a)honkomp.de>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent:  Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg  Records


Hello Janice,

under the website:    http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/
you can find the download for death  records of Cloppenburg area (big pdf 
file).
It called DVD Totenzettel und  Sterbebilder:

http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pdf

There  you can find: Karnbrock (for Karneboge), Tinnermann, Hülskamp and  
Meyer.

Good luck and greetings from Ruth Decker

Translated by  Werner Honkomp


> Hello -

> I am researching  information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting
> the
>  Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall.  Could anyone provide suggestions  as
> to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of  the
> civil and/or church records for the  Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer
> families from that  region.

> Thank you in advance for your assistance,
> Janice  King
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
>  Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> _http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l_ 
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Re: [OL] Hoyer Schade - Neuvorstellung

Date: 2007/02/10 15:03:20
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hallo Namensvetter,
ich empfehle folgendes Buch zu kaufen "Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien" von C.B. Bröring:

Dort steht u.a.:

Anna Adelheid, geb. 19.12.1789
Eltern: Joan Anton Hoyer gt. Albers-Ostendorf, Vollerbe bei Essen
        und Anna Catharina Elisabeth Schade aus Wiek-Essen

In diesem Buch ist der gesamte Stammbaum des Hofes Albers-Ostendorf von 1665 - 1930 dokumetiert.

Das Buch mit 815 Seiten kann bestellt werden bei:

Clemens Bröring
Am Deich 15
49610 Quakenbrück

Viele Grüße,
Werner Honkomp


> Liebe Oldenburg-Listies!

> Zunächst möchte ich mich als neu angemeldet vorstellen:
> Werner Garbade
> Bremer Mausmitglied, wohnhaft im Marburger Land.
> Hauptsächlich mit Bremer, Hannoveraner und Vorfahren aus dem Osnabrücker
> Bereich auf meiner Seite,
> Ostfriesen und Emsländer und Bergische Ahnen bei meiner Frau!
> Dabei bleibt die Berührung mit dem Oldenburger Gebiet nicht aus.
> Meine erste Frage betrifft aus der Ahnentafel meiner Frau:

> Anna Adelheid HOYER get. 19.2.1789 Essen i.O.
>                                       Paten: Anna Adelheid Pott g.
> Hoyer, Rudolf Caspar Schade
>                                       oo 20.11.1811 Quakenbrück mit
> Johannes Joseph Bertling
>                                       +  17.8.1853 Quakenbrück
> Von Ihren Eltern habe ich nur folgende Angaben:
> Johann Anton Hoyer, Procurator, auf Albers Hof bei Essen i.O.
>                                        oo 1785 Anna Catharina Maria SCHADE

> Wer kann mir bei diesem Ehepaar weiterhelfen?

> Mit freundlichen Grüßen

> Werner (Garbade)


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[OL] Genealogie Janning

Date: 2007/02/10 16:45:43
From: Jürgen Hausfeld <Juergen.Hausfeld(a)T-online.de>

Hallo Betty und Werner,
der Name Janning taucht im Osnabrückerland relativ heufig auf. Es kann sich natürlich um Neuenkirchen bei Rheine handeln, aber auch um Neuenkirchen i/O.

Man müßte versuchen genauere Angaben zu finden.
MFG
Jürgen Hausfeld, Münster


Re: [OL] Genealogie Janning

Date: 2007/02/10 18:52:13
From: betty . krull <betty.krull(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Jürgen,
Das ist leider alles was ich an Informationen habe. es steht auf die Heirat Urkunde von Bernardus.
Grüße Betty
----- original Nachricht --------

Betreff: [OL] Genealogie Janning
Gesendet: Sa 10 Feb 2007 16:46:10 CET
Von: "Jürgen Hausfeld"<Juergen.Hausfeld(a)T-online.de>

> Hallo Betty und Werner,
> der Name Janning taucht im Osnabrückerland relativ heufig auf. Es kann 
> sich natürlich um Neuenkirchen bei Rheine handeln, aber auch um 
> Neuenkirchen i/O.
> 
> Man müßte versuchen genauere Angaben zu finden.
> MFG
> Jürgen Hausfeld, Münster
> 
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> 

--- original Nachricht Ende ----


[OL] FLOTTEMERSCH & VARIANT SPELLINGS

Date: 2007/02/11 17:53:09
From: Karla Nurnberg <muessidenn(a)yahoo.com>

Dear Listers,
      We are seeking information regarding a Bernard or Bernhard FLOTTEMERSCH, who was probably born in Oldenburg. His great-grandson uses the surname Flatmus and we were having some difficulty deciding what the original surname was until we posted a query to the Hamilton County, Ohio mailing list at www.rootsweb.com. Several listers were vey helpful to us and one gentleman sent information about a woman with the FLOTTEMERSCH surname from Wehbergen. I checked the German phone directory for that spelling and the variant ones, but I could find nothing. What is the correct spelling of this name?
        Thank you for any and all help.
  Karla Nurnberg



 
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Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2007/02/11 20:26:25
From: Bernd Blömer <bernd.bloemer(a)ewetel.net>

Das Buch von Clemens Bröring ("Essener Bauernhöfe) ist Dir sicherlich bekannt. Dort wird Klausgrethe in Uptloh behandelt.
gruß
Bernd
----- Original Message ----- From: "klausgrete" <Klausgrete(a)gmx.de>
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung


Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
hiermit möchte ich mich als Neumitglied vorstellen:
Ich heiße Heinrich Klausgrete, bin 51 Jahre alt und  wohne
in NRW (Hilden).
Ich forsche nach den Namen Klausgrete, Clausgrete, Klausgrethe, sowie
weiteren anderen schreibweisen mit Bindestrich aus dem Großraum Essen i.O.
sowie Möller und Heuermann  aus dem Raum Cloppenburg.

Wer kann mir weiterhelfen?

Danke und viele Grüße
Heinrich Klausgrete

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Re: [OL] FLOTTEMERSCH & VARIANT SPELLINGS

Date: 2007/02/12 00:04:04
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Karla,
the origin of Flottemesch is Neuenkirchen in Oldenburg province.

Here some emigration records of the former Amt Damme (like a county):

Flottemesch, Bernd zu Neuenkirchen, 1 person, emigrated 1843 from Neuenkirchen
Flottemesch, Johann, Sohn von Josef F., Heuermann bei Kolon Meyer  1 person, emigrated 1844 from Nellinghof(Neuenkirchen)
Flottemesch, Josef, Dienstknecht    1 person, emigrated 1847 from Neuenkirchen
Flottemesch, Josef  1 person, emigrated 1840 from Damme

You should check the church books of Neuenkirchen by the Mrmon's - LDS

Werner


> Dear Listers,
>       We are seeking information regarding a Bernard or Bernhard
>       FLOTTEMERSCH, who was probably born in Oldenburg. His great-grandson
>       uses the surname Flatmus and we were having some difficulty deciding
>       what the original surname was until we posted a query to the
>       Hamilton County, Ohio mailing list at www.rootsweb.com. Several
>       listers were vey helpful to us and one gentleman sent information
>       about a woman with the FLOTTEMERSCH surname from Wehbergen. I
>       checked the German phone directory for that spelling and the variant
>       ones, but I could find nothing. What is the correct spelling of this
>       name?
>         Thank you for any and all help.
>   Karla Nurnberg




> ---------------------------------
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Re: [OL] FLOTTEMERSCH & VARIANT SPELLINGS

Date: 2007/02/12 15:19:13
From: Bernhard Struckmann <Bernhard.Struckmann(a)t-online.de>

"Karla Nurnberg" <muessidenn(a)yahoo.com> schrieb:
> Dear Listers,
>       We are seeking information regarding a Bernard or Bernhard FLOTTEMERSCH, who was probably born in Oldenburg. His great-grandson uses the surname Flatmus and we were having some difficulty deciding what the original surname was until we posted a query to the Hamilton County, Ohio mailing list at www.rootsweb.com. Several listers were vey helpful to us and one gentleman sent information about a woman with the FLOTTEMERSCH surname from Wehbergen. I checked the German phone directory for that spelling and the variant ones, but I could find nothing. What is the correct spelling of this name?
>         Thank you for any and all help.
>   Karla Nurnberg
> ---------------------------------
> 
Hello Karla, 

hier einige Daten zu Wehbergen und FLOTTEMERSCH 


Ausgewandert 1866:
Flottemersch, Hermann Heinrich, geboren am 15.3.1847, Wehbergen. 
Eltern: Koetter Heinr. Eberh. Flottemersch u. Anna Maria Grothe. — 
	Von Josef Hugenberg

Wehbergen gehoert zur Pfarre und heute zur Stadt Bersenbrueck.


Liste von Werner Honkomp im Internet:

"Zur Geschichte der Auswanderung aus dem alten Amt Damme (Oldbg.), insbesondere
nach Nordamerika, in den Jahren 1830 - 1880."
	Von Johannes Ostendorf.

Flottemesch, Bernd   1 Person 
ausgewandert 1843 aus Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg

	Gruesse aus Osnabrück
	Bernd Struckmann


Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2007/02/12 19:09:05
From: klausgrete <Klausgrete(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Bernd!
Vielen Dank für die Info.
Das Buch habe ich mir damals gekauft. Es war eine ausgesprochen große Hilfe.
Leider fehlen natürlich von den Vorfahren Infos, die aus Essen weggezogen sind. Leider ist es aus der Ferne schwierig z.B. nach Vechta zu fahren um in die Kirchenbücher zu schauen.

Gruß Heiner Klausgrete


----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernd Blömer" <bernd.bloemer(a)ewetel.net>
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung


Das Buch von Clemens Bröring ("Essener Bauernhöfe) ist Dir sicherlich
bekannt. Dort wird Klausgrethe in Uptloh behandelt.
gruß
Bernd
----- Original Message ----- From: "klausgrete" <Klausgrete(a)gmx.de>
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung


Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
hiermit möchte ich mich als Neumitglied vorstellen:
Ich heiße Heinrich Klausgrete, bin 51 Jahre alt und  wohne
in NRW (Hilden).
Ich forsche nach den Namen Klausgrete, Clausgrete, Klausgrethe, sowie
weiteren anderen schreibweisen mit Bindestrich aus dem Großraum Essen i.O.
sowie Möller und Heuermann  aus dem Raum Cloppenburg.

Wer kann mir weiterhelfen?

Danke und viele Grüße
Heinrich Klausgrete

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[OL] Karneboge, Tinnerman, Meyer families

Date: 2007/02/12 21:05:14
From: Jan & John King <scooter(a)cruzio.com>

Dear Ruth (and Werner):

Thank you so much for the information.   I found the file and was able to
download ... now I just have to go through the names and match what I have.
I do have the book, "Essenger Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien" by Clemens
Bernard Bröring which has proven invaluable in confirming names, dates,
etc., for this region but now need to dig a bit deeper.  

I noticed on the web site the locations of various records where one might
view them; however, the records for the church in Cloppenburg (specifically,
the Catholic Church) don't seem to be highlighted.  I will write the BMO in
Vechta; however, was wondering if you had personal experience in viewing
records at the StAO.   Does one make an appointment or are they available
any time during the weekday?  Thank you again for your help.

Janice King

P.S.  Werner - Paul Horvat says 'hello' and tells me you have been of great
help to him in his research (which has helped us all).   


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   2. Re:  Oldenburg Records (REPKINGRON(a)aol.com)
   3. Re:  Hoyer Schade - Neuvorstellung (Werner Honkomp)
   4.  Genealogie Janning (J?rgen Hausfeld)
   5. Re:  Genealogie Janning (betty.krull(a)freenet.de)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 13:53:12 +0100
From: Werner Garbade <apotheke.dreihausen(a)vr-web.de>
Subject: [OL] Hoyer Schade - Neuvorstellung
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Message-ID: <45CDC038.8040009(a)vr-web.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Liebe Oldenburg-Listies!

Zun?chst m?chte ich mich als neu angemeldet vorstellen:
Werner Garbade
Bremer Mausmitglied, wohnhaft im Marburger Land.
Haupts?chlich mit Bremer, Hannoveraner und Vorfahren aus dem Osnabr?cker 
Bereich auf meiner Seite,
Ostfriesen und Emsl?nder und Bergische Ahnen bei meiner Frau!
Dabei bleibt die Ber?hrung mit dem Oldenburger Gebiet nicht aus.
Meine erste Frage betrifft aus der Ahnentafel meiner Frau:

Anna Adelheid HOYER get. 19.2.1789 Essen i.O.
                                      Paten: Anna Adelheid Pott g. 
Hoyer, Rudolf Caspar Schade
                                      oo 20.11.1811 Quakenbr?ck mit 
Johannes Joseph Bertling
                                      +  17.8.1853 Quakenbr?ck
Von Ihren Eltern habe ich nur folgende Angaben:
Johann Anton Hoyer, Procurator, auf Albers Hof bei Essen i.O.
                                       oo 1785 Anna Catharina Maria SCHADE

Wer kann mir bei diesem Ehepaar weiterhelfen?

Mit freundlichen Gr??en

Werner (Garbade)




------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:28:00 EST
From: REPKINGRON(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Message-ID: <c27.10c4b518.32ff2260(a)aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

 
Linda,
 
I see my surname, REPKING, on your list.  Many of my ancestors  came from 
Oldenburg.   The REPKING branch came from  Oythe.  With some help from this
list, 
I have traced them back to  1440.  
 
Over the past few years, I  transcribed some of the baptism records  for The

Church of The Blessed Virgin in Oythe, now called St Marien.  I am  up to 
1730.  
 
Recently, I completed a translation of a  pamphlet entitled  "Geschichte der

Kirche und Pfarrei St. Marien in Oythe", "History of the Church  and Parish
of 
St Mary in Oythe".  The author is G?nter Meyer, Oythe - ?  1992 Vechta 
Druckerei und Verlag Sonderdruck aus Beitrage zur Geschichte der  Stadt
Vechta. 
 
If you are interested, I can send you a copy of the translation, and/or  
baptisms.
 
My NEEHUES/NIEHAUS  come from Bokel, amt Cloppenburg, Oldenburg and  are 
found in the church book for Cappeln, amt Cloppenburg, Oldenburg - St Peter
und 
Paul Catholic Church.   
  
Please contact me off line and we can exchange information.
 
 
Ronald J  Repking
Repkingron(a)aol.com
Flossmoor, Illinois

 
In a message dated 2/9/07 4:27:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
lboorom(a)fuse.net writes:

Werner,
Thank you so much for translating this. I, for one, only  have the very 
basics in
the german language, if you could even call it that  :-) date born married
or
died, the town (somtimes) parents, witness or  spouse.

Are there other German databases online out there for us to  search?

At this point my several ancestors seem to be in the area's of  Visbek,
Goldenstedt, Langforden, Oythe, Vechta, Wildeshausen, Emstek &  areas not 
looked
at yet may include Vestrup & Bakum.

Linda  Boorom
Cincinnati
Ancestors include  Eilers, Engelstrate, D?nh?ft,  Frese/Freese, Hellmann,
Hogeback, K?hling, Luetmann, Menke, Nehues/Neihaus,  Rentze, Repking,
Schulte,
Wilkens and ..........
Currently working on  D?nh?ft in Cincinnati & Covington from "Oldenburg" & 
have
set up a  web page  here:
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~boorom/dunhoft/dunhoft.html


-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "Werner Honkomp"  <werner(a)honkomp.de>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent:  Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg  Records


Hello Janice,

under the website:    http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/
you can find the download for death  records of Cloppenburg area (big pdf 
file).
It called DVD Totenzettel und  Sterbebilder:

http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pd
f

There  you can find: Karnbrock (for Karneboge), Tinnermann, H?lskamp and  
Meyer.

Good luck and greetings from Ruth Decker

Translated by  Werner Honkomp


> Hello -

> I am researching  information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting
> the
>  Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall.  Could anyone provide suggestions
as
> to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of  the
> civil and/or church records for the  Karneboge/Tinnerman/H?lskamp/Meyer
> families from that  region.

> Thank you in advance for your assistance,
> Janice  King
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
>  Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 15:04:11 +0100
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Subject: Re: [OL] Hoyer Schade - Neuvorstellung
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Message-ID: <irvHOr6JWu3ii5z0Dzq16DQ7ugIEleXbNQbYLryEYRf(a)akmail>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hallo Namensvetter,
ich empfehle folgendes Buch zu kaufen "Essener Bauernh?fe und ihre Familien"
von C.B. Br?ring:

Dort steht u.a.:

Anna Adelheid, geb. 19.12.1789
Eltern: Joan Anton Hoyer gt. Albers-Ostendorf, Vollerbe bei Essen
        und Anna Catharina Elisabeth Schade aus Wiek-Essen

In diesem Buch ist der gesamte Stammbaum des Hofes Albers-Ostendorf von 1665
- 1930 dokumetiert.

Das Buch mit 815 Seiten kann bestellt werden bei:

Clemens Br?ring
Am Deich 15
49610 Quakenbr?ck

Viele Gr??e,
Werner Honkomp


> Liebe Oldenburg-Listies!

> Zun?chst m?chte ich mich als neu angemeldet vorstellen:
> Werner Garbade
> Bremer Mausmitglied, wohnhaft im Marburger Land.
> Haupts?chlich mit Bremer, Hannoveraner und Vorfahren aus dem Osnabr?cker
> Bereich auf meiner Seite,
> Ostfriesen und Emsl?nder und Bergische Ahnen bei meiner Frau!
> Dabei bleibt die Ber?hrung mit dem Oldenburger Gebiet nicht aus.
> Meine erste Frage betrifft aus der Ahnentafel meiner Frau:

> Anna Adelheid HOYER get. 19.2.1789 Essen i.O.
>                                       Paten: Anna Adelheid Pott g.
> Hoyer, Rudolf Caspar Schade
>                                       oo 20.11.1811 Quakenbr?ck mit
> Johannes Joseph Bertling
>                                       +  17.8.1853 Quakenbr?ck
> Von Ihren Eltern habe ich nur folgende Angaben:
> Johann Anton Hoyer, Procurator, auf Albers Hof bei Essen i.O.
>                                        oo 1785 Anna Catharina Maria SCHADE

> Wer kann mir bei diesem Ehepaar weiterhelfen?

> Mit freundlichen Gr??en

> Werner (Garbade)


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:45:11 +0100
From: J?rgen Hausfeld <Juergen.Hausfeld(a)T-online.de>
Subject: [OL] Genealogie Janning
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Message-ID: <45CDE887.3070609(a)T-online.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hallo Betty und Werner,
der Name Janning taucht im Osnabr?ckerland relativ heufig auf. Es kann 
sich nat?rlich um Neuenkirchen bei Rheine handeln, aber auch um 
Neuenkirchen i/O.

Man m??te versuchen genauere Angaben zu finden.
MFG
J?rgen Hausfeld, M?nster



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:51:32 +0100
From: betty.krull(a)freenet.de
Subject: Re: [OL] Genealogie Janning
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
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Hallo J?rgen,
Das ist leider alles was ich an Informationen habe. es steht auf die Heirat
Urkunde von Bernardus.
Gr??e Betty
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Betreff: [OL] Genealogie Janning
Gesendet: Sa 10 Feb 2007 16:46:10 CET
Von: "J?rgen Hausfeld"<Juergen.Hausfeld(a)T-online.de>

> Hallo Betty und Werner,
> der Name Janning taucht im Osnabr?ckerland relativ heufig auf. Es kann 
> sich nat?rlich um Neuenkirchen bei Rheine handeln, aber auch um 
> Neuenkirchen i/O.
> 
> Man m??te versuchen genauere Angaben zu finden.
> MFG
> J?rgen Hausfeld, M?nster
> 
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[OL] Research in Germany

Date: 2007/02/12 21:28:52
From: Jan & John King <scooter(a)cruzio.com>

Hi Karl -

You asked about getting around in Germany without having a complete grasp of
the language and I thought I would give you my impression (my husband and I
are the ones visiting in the Fall).  We have been to Germany several times
over the past few years but only to the Bavarian region where, I've been
told, you will find less English than in the Northern regions.  My husband
was stationed in Germany for a few years, plus was a linguist, so he has a
good ear for languages; however, I, on the other hand, am "language
deficient".   Despite that fact, I had very little trouble (even when I was
on my own) in Germany.  Learn the basic phrases ("Do you speak English", "I
speak little/no German", "Can you help me", "Excuse me" and, of course,
"Please and Thank You").  And by all means get a good German/English
dictionary (one that has phrases is especially useful -- like Rick Steves'
book) and keep it small for ease in carrying; otherwise, you'll have a
tendency to leave it in the hotel room.   I also bit the bullet and
purchased The Rosetta Stone German Language Set and found it a bit easier to
use than some of the others but I understand that "Tell Me More" is rated
even higher
(http://learn-german-software-review.toptenreviews.com/tell-me-more-german-r
eview.html).

And don't be afraid to take along written information with your family
history and show it to whomever you happen to be talking to.  Showing
someone a name, family tree, dates and places can go a long way in helping
convey the fact you're searching for your roots.  Good luck.

Janice King

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   3. Re:  Oldenburg Records (Werner Honkomp)
   4. Re:  Oldenburg Records (Werner Honkomp)
   5.  THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS (Donna in Houston)
   6. Re:  THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS (Ernst Heinje)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:24:00 +0100
From: "franz-josef.wilgen" <franz-josef.wilgen(a)ewetel.net>
Subject: [OL] Ahnenforschung
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     suche die Eltern von :

                                     Friedrich Wilgen geb. 13.03.1870 in 
Kleinenkneten

     woher kamen seine Eltern und wann und wo sind Sie geboren.

     Vieleicht k?nnen Sie mir bei meinen  Nachforschungen weiter helfen.

                              Vielen Dank im voraus

                                           mfg
 
                                            Franz-Josef Wilgen
 

Nikolausdorf  07.02.07


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:01:44 +0100
From: Bernd Bl?mer <bernd.bloemer(a)ewetel.net>
Subject: Re: [OL] Ahnenforschung
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
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mir ist der Name Wilgen aus Ambergen bei Goldenstedt bekannt.

gru?
Bernd
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>
>
>     suche die Eltern von :
>
>                                     Friedrich Wilgen geb. 13.03.1870 in
> Kleinenkneten
>
>     woher kamen seine Eltern und wann und wo sind Sie geboren.
>
>     Vieleicht k?nnen Sie mir bei meinen  Nachforschungen weiter helfen.
>
>                              Vielen Dank im voraus
>
>                                           mfg
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:04:02 +0100
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
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Hello Janice,

under the website:   http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/
you can find the download for death records of Cloppenburg area (big pdf
file).
It called DVD Totenzettel und Sterbebilder:

http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pd
f

There you can find: Karnbrock (for Karneboge), Tinnermann, H?lskamp and
Meyer.

Good luck and greetings from Ruth Decker

Translated by Werner Honkomp


> Hello -

> I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting
> the
> Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall.  Could anyone provide suggestions as
> to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the
> civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/H?lskamp/Meyer
> families from that region.

> Thank you in advance for your assistance,
> Janice King
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:19:12 +0100
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
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Dorum and Beverstedt are located near Bremerhaven - check hannover-list:

http://www.beverstedt.de/
http://www.dorum.de/

Werner


> Ruth,

> I saw your email re: your plans to visit Oldenburg in the  fall. You have
> the
> language skills, but unfortunately I don't.(even tho my  grandfather and
> other ancestors came from Germany).
> I have a disc language set, but German pronunciation is a bit  tricky.

> Do you have any idea about how difficult it would be for  my wife and I to
> get around in that area.   We visited the city  of Kehl in 2004(near
> Stasburg)
> and the village of Helmlingen where my  grandfather came from. It was a
> bit of
> a struggle to survive for a week, but we  did and enjoyed the time very
> much.

> We have an ancestor who came from Dorum and his wife who  came from
> Beverstedt. These are the two places we hope to visit, possibly in the
> fall of this
> year, October.

> Any thoughts?  Any thoughts would be  appreciated.

> Karl E. Wahl
> Bellevue, WA


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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:07:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Donna in Houston <thegypsies(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [OL] THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS
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Ernst August THEILENGERDES was born 22 February 1884.  He and his brother
Fritz or Friedrich (born 23 January 1879), sister, Johanne or Johanna (born
17 February 1882), their mother Anna (maiden name HEINJE or HEINJES--born
approximately 1850-1860, and married in 1876), and father Georg Gerhard
Theilengerdes (born 5 July 1848) emigrated to America on 30 September 1888
on a ship named the "Saale".  They landed in New York on October 15, 1888.
The family settled in the state of Texas.  When the brothers filed
naturalization papers to become citizens of the United States, they
indicated that they had come from Grand Dulcy, Greater Oldenburg, Germany.
   
    In 1890, Georg Gerhard Theilengerdes was a witness at the second
marriage of the widow Helene Sophie Theilengerdes OELTJENDIERS.  It is
possible that Mr. Theilengerdes was a relative of the bride. 
   
  The families belonged to Lutheran churches in Texas.
   
  I would appreciate any help in finding where these families lived in
Greater Oldenburg.
   
  Thank you,
  Donna Seidel, Houston, Texas, USA   (e-mail:  thegypsies (at) yahoo.com)
   
   


 
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 23:09:19 +0100
From: "Ernst Heinje" <ernst.heinje(a)ewetel.net>
Subject: Re: [OL] THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS
To: "'Oldenburg-L'" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
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Donna

In my database I have the following 
- Anna Heinje, *12.04.1845 Edewecht, Parents are Hermann Diedrich Heinje and
Sophie Margarete R?bber
- Anna Heinje, *03.07.1840 Aschhausen, Parents are Anna Margarete
Hobbie-Janssen
Unfortunately there are no more data on marriage and husbands.
Do you have any names of the parents of your Anna Heinje. If so I could
provide some of the ancestors of your Anna.

Ernst Heinje



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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 22:07
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL] THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS

Ernst August THEILENGERDES was born 22 February 1884.  He and his brother
Fritz or Friedrich (born 23 January 1879), sister, Johanne or Johanna (born
17 February 1882), their mother Anna (maiden name HEINJE or HEINJES--born
approximately 1850-1860, and married in 1876), and father Georg Gerhard
Theilengerdes (born 5 July 1848) emigrated to America on 30 September 1888
on a ship named the "Saale".  They landed in New York on October 15, 1888.
The family settled in the state of Texas.  When the brothers filed
naturalization papers to become citizens of the United States, they
indicated that they had come from Grand Dulcy, Greater Oldenburg, Germany.
   
    In 1890, Georg Gerhard Theilengerdes was a witness at the second
marriage of the widow Helene Sophie Theilengerdes OELTJENDIERS.  It is
possible that Mr. Theilengerdes was a relative of the bride. 
   
  The families belonged to Lutheran churches in Texas.
   
  I would appreciate any help in finding where these families lived in
Greater Oldenburg.
   
  Thank you,
  Donna Seidel, Houston, Texas, USA   (e-mail:  thegypsies (at) yahoo.com)
   
   


 
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Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2007/02/13 10:35:20
From: Gabriele Landwehr <gabriele_landwehr(a)msn.com>

Hallo Heinrich
Schön das Du dabei bist. Wie wäre es mit ein paar Daten an die man anknüpfen
kann. Im Moment fahre ich unregelmäßig ins Archiv, aber da ich mich für
Deine Forschung interessiere, besonders Möller, unserer gemeinsamen
Urgroßmutter wegen, helfe ich Dir gern.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Cloppenburg
Gabriele


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Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2007 17:58
An: Oldenburg-L
Betreff: Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
hiermit möchte ich mich als Neumitglied vorstellen:
Ich heiße Heinrich Klausgrete, bin 51 Jahre alt und  wohne
in NRW (Hilden).
Ich forsche nach den Namen Klausgrete, Clausgrete, Klausgrethe, sowie 
weiteren anderen schreibweisen mit Bindestrich aus dem Großraum Essen i.O. 
sowie Möller und Heuermann  aus dem Raum Cloppenburg.

Wer kann mir weiterhelfen?

Danke und viele Grüße
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Re: [OL] Möller - Röbke

Date: 2007/02/13 12:28:48
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hallo Möller Forscher,

ich suche den Geburtsort und Heiratsort von:

- Anna Dorothea Möller/Müller, katholisch, heiratete vor 1813 Wilhelm Ludwig Röbke/Röpke, evanglisch,
  (das Paar hatte 5 Kinder, alle getauft in Crapendorf)
  sie ist verstorben am 17.Sep.1850 in Crapendorf, Alter 62J 5M 15T
  - demnach müßte sie am 2.Apr.1788 geboren sein, aber wo ?

Ich habe alle Kirchenbücher im Archiv in Vechta durchsucht - aber nichts gefunden.
Vieleicht ist die Person nach "Oldenburg eingewandert".

Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar.
Viele Grüße,
Werner Honkomp

> Hallo Heinrich
> Schön das Du dabei bist. Wie wäre es mit ein paar Daten an die man
> anknüpfen
> kann. Im Moment fahre ich unregelmäßig ins Archiv, aber da ich mich für
> Deine Forschung interessiere, besonders Möller, unserer gemeinsamen
> Urgroßmutter wegen, helfe ich Dir gern.
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Cloppenburg
> Gabriele


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> [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von klausgrete
> Gesendet: Freitag, 9. Februar 2007 17:58
> An: Oldenburg-L
> Betreff: Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung

> Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
> hiermit möchte ich mich als Neumitglied vorstellen:
> Ich heiße Heinrich Klausgrete, bin 51 Jahre alt und  wohne
> in NRW (Hilden).
> Ich forsche nach den Namen Klausgrete, Clausgrete, Klausgrethe, sowie
> weiteren anderen schreibweisen mit Bindestrich aus dem Großraum Essen i.O.
> sowie Möller und Heuermann  aus dem Raum Cloppenburg.

> Wer kann mir weiterhelfen?

> Danke und viele Grüße
> Heinrich Klausgrete

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Re: [OL] FLOTTEMERSCH & VARIANT SPELLINGS

Date: 2007/02/13 12:29:12
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>

Dear Karla,

do you have some more informations? There are several Bernhard in the church
books of Neuenkirchen...

Please let me know and then I will try to help you..

Best Regards

Jan

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Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Februar 2007 17:45
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL] FLOTTEMERSCH & VARIANT SPELLINGS

Dear Listers,
      We are seeking information regarding a Bernard or Bernhard
FLOTTEMERSCH, who was probably born in Oldenburg. His great-grandson uses
the surname Flatmus and we were having some difficulty deciding what the
original surname was until we posted a query to the Hamilton County, Ohio
mailing list at www.rootsweb.com. Several listers were vey helpful to us and
one gentleman sent information about a woman with the FLOTTEMERSCH surname
from Wehbergen. I checked the German phone directory for that spelling and
the variant ones, but I could find nothing. What is the correct spelling of
this name?
        Thank you for any and all help.
  Karla Nurnberg



 
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Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2007/02/14 19:56:26
From: Bernd Blömer <bernd.bloemer(a)ewetel.net>

Hallo Heiner!

nach wo sind die denn hingezogen? Vielleicht kann ich helfen?

gruß
Bernd

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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung


Hallo Bernd!
Vielen Dank für die Info.
Das Buch habe ich mir damals gekauft. Es war eine ausgesprochen große Hilfe.
Leider fehlen natürlich von den Vorfahren Infos, die aus Essen weggezogen
sind.
Leider ist es aus der Ferne schwierig z.B. nach Vechta zu fahren um in die
Kirchenbücher zu schauen.

Gruß Heiner Klausgrete


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To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung


Das Buch von Clemens Bröring ("Essener Bauernhöfe) ist Dir sicherlich
bekannt. Dort wird Klausgrethe in Uptloh behandelt.
gruß
Bernd
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Neuvorstellung


Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
hiermit möchte ich mich als Neumitglied vorstellen:
Ich heiße Heinrich Klausgrete, bin 51 Jahre alt und  wohne
in NRW (Hilden).
Ich forsche nach den Namen Klausgrete, Clausgrete, Klausgrethe, sowie
weiteren anderen schreibweisen mit Bindestrich aus dem Großraum Essen i.O.
sowie Möller und Heuermann  aus dem Raum Cloppenburg.

Wer kann mir weiterhelfen?

Danke und viele Grüße
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[OL] Need Assistance in finding Neuenkirchen/Nellinghoff Cath. Records

Date: 2007/02/14 22:54:40
From: Zudak <Zudak(a)aol.com>

Does anyone know how I can access these records for the years 1877 through 
1889.  I am trying to find my Grandmothers birth/baptism record and would love a 
copy of all other siblings born during this timeframe.  

I have a few older records prior to this period, but am particularly 
interested in finding this record of birth for Elizabeth Bernadina "Agnes" Pohlmann, 
born April 10, 1884 Neuenkirchen bei Vorden.  Parents were Johann Heinrich 
Bernard Pohlmann and Bernadina Elizabeth Oevermann from Steinkamp zu Nellinghoff - 
married @ April or May, 1873 location unknown.  

Other information is that Johann Heinrich Bernard's parents were/may have 
been ? Johann Heinrich Pohlmann and unknown Gieske zu Neuenkirchen, Vorden, 
Oldenburg, Ger.

Thank You Kindly,
Elizabeth   

[OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever

Date: 2007/02/15 17:34:51
From: Hildegard Brümmer <h_br(a)gmx.de>

Kopien des Adreßbuches der Stadt Jever aus dem Jahre 1900 ist soeben fertig
geworden (pdf.)

    * Alphabetisches Verzeichnis
    * Einwohner
    * Behörden, Geschäftsstunden der öffentlichen Kassen,
    * öffentliche Anstalten, Berufsstände und größere Etablissements
    * Schulen, gemeinnützige Anstalten und Vereine,
    * Stiftungen und Stipendien
    * Postalisches, Verzeichnis der Teilnehmer an der
Stadt-Fernsprecheinrichtung in Jever.
    * Zinstabelle, Stempelabgaben und Tarife
    * Einkommensteuer im Herzogtum Oldenburg
    * Die Stadt Jever, Inseraten-Anhang.

Bei interesse bitte nur direkte mail an:

H_br(a)gmx

oder

horst(a)mail.chikano.net

Herzl. Grüße Hildegard Brümmer
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Re: [OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever

Date: 2007/02/15 19:45:03
From: Laila Cichos <cichos(a)gmail.com>

Hi there
Does anyone know if a person called Jeef could originate from the town of
Jever?
Has anyone heard of something like that?

Best wishes Laila

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Re: [OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever

Date: 2007/02/15 19:57:38
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

Even if he did, would it matter? His name there would have been
something else. Normally your suspicion is right on that people who
came from somewhere were given a name identifying them as such but
Jeef seems just to be a version of some other name.

Fred


On 2/15/07, Laila Cichos <cichos(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there
Does anyone know if a person called Jeef could originate from the town of
Jever?
Has anyone heard of something like that?

Best wishes Laila

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Re: [OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever

Date: 2007/02/15 20:47:05
From: Laila Cichos <cichos(a)gmail.com>

well it would give me a location to start a search for him
Laila

2007/2/15, W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>:

Even if he did, would it matter? His name there would have been
something else. Normally your suspicion is right on that people who
came from somewhere were given a name identifying them as such but
Jeef seems just to be a version of some other name.

Fred


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> Hi there
> Does anyone know if a person called Jeef could originate from the town
of
> Jever?
> Has anyone heard of something like that?
>
> Best wishes Laila
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[OL] Neu ! 28.000 Totenzettel und Sterbebilder aus dem Oldenburger Land auf DVD-ROM

Date: 2007/02/15 20:51:59
From: Womartens <Womartens(a)aol.com>

Liebe Mitglieder und Listenteilnehmer,
 
am 10. Februar konnte die Oldenburgische Gesellschaft für  Familienkunde 
(OGF) eine weitere Publikation in der  Reihe  "Quellen und Forschungen zur 
oldenburgischen Familienkunde"  vorstellen.
 
Dabei handelt es sich um die Arbeit von Ruth Decker und Monika von Hammel  
zum Thema:
"Totenzettel und Sterbebilder".
 
 

Totenzettel sind auch unter den Begriffen Trauerzettel oder  Trauerbilder, 
Sterbezettel oder Sterbebilder und als Totenbilder bekannt. Sie  enthalten 
meistens den Namen, das Geburts- und Sterbedatum, den Geburts- und  Sterbeort des 
Verstorbenen. Weiterhin sind häufig Hinweise auf den Beruf, den  Lebensverlauf, 
die Familie mit Ehepartner und Kindern sowie die Todesursache auf  
Totenzetteln vermerkt. Auch besondere Auszeichnungen und Ehrungen können  aufgeführt 
sein. Biografische Daten, die dem Genealogen wertvolle Hinweise für  seine 
Forschungen geben können. Sie bilden insbesondere für das  Oldenburger Münsterland 
eine reiche Informationsquelle für Heimat- und  Familienforscher, wobei die 
ältesten Exemplare aus dem Jahre 1850  stammen.

 
Die Publikation wurde von der OGF in Zusammenarbeit mit dem  
Familienkundlichen Arbeitskreis im Geschichtsausschuss des Heimatbundes für das  Oldenburger 
Münsterland herausgegeben. 

 
Nähere Angaben über die auf der DVD-ROM enthaltenen Totenzettel und  
Totenbilder sind auf der OGF-Homepage unter "Downloads" ersichtlich. Dort  befindet 
sich das komplette Namensregister zu den 28.000 Abbildungen.
 
Die DVD-ROM ist über den Online-Shop der Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft für  
Familienkunde unter
www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de
zu beziehen, der Preis beträgt 20,00 EURO zuzüglich Porto.
 
Beachten Sie auch den im November 2006 fertiggestellten Band 1: "Grabstelen  
und Grabplatten im Oldenburger Land aus dem 17. und 18. Jahrhundert"  
(Bearbeiterin Monika Sabrowsky). Die CD-ROM enthält u.a. 489 Abbildungen  aus 69 
Kirchspielen des nördlichen Oldenburger Landes und ist ebenfalls zum  Preis von 
20,00 EURO über den Online-Shop der OGF erhältlich. Auch hierzu gibt  es auf der 
Homepage unter Downloads das komplette Namensregister.
 
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Wolfgang Martens
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Re: [OL] Neu ! 28.000 Totenzettel und Sterbebilder aus dem Oldenburger Land auf DVD-ROM

Date: 2007/02/15 21:03:08
From: Pattie Campbell <pcamp952(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,
Would someone be kind enough to translate this message into English for me?
Regards,
Pattie
 



> From: Womartens(a)aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:50:35 -0500> To: ogf-l(a)genealogy.net; oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net; famnord(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [OL] Neu ! 28.000 Totenzettel und Sterbebilder aus dem Oldenburger Land auf DVD-ROM> > Liebe Mitglieder und Listenteilnehmer,> > am 10. Februar konnte die Oldenburgische Gesellschaft für Familienkunde > (OGF) eine weitere Publikation in der Reihe "Quellen und Forschungen zur > oldenburgischen Familienkunde" vorstellen.> > Dabei handelt es sich um die Arbeit von Ruth Decker und Monika von Hammel > zum Thema:> "Totenzettel und Sterbebilder".> > > > Totenzettel sind auch unter den Begriffen Trauerzettel oder Trauerbilder, > Sterbezettel oder Sterbebilder und als Totenbilder bekannt. Sie enthalten > meistens den Namen, das Geburts- und Sterbedatum, den Geburts- und Sterbeort des > Verstorbenen. Weiterhin sind häufig Hinweise auf den Beruf, den Lebensverlauf, > die Familie mit Ehepartner und Kindern sowie die Todesursache auf > Totenzetteln vermerkt. Auch besondere Auszeichnungen und Ehrungen können aufgeführt > sein. Biografische Daten, die dem Genealogen wertvolle Hinweise für seine > Forschungen geben können. Sie bilden insbesondere für das Oldenburger Münsterland > eine reiche Informationsquelle für Heimat- und Familienforscher, wobei die > ältesten Exemplare aus dem Jahre 1850 stammen.> > > Die Publikation wurde von der OGF in Zusammenarbeit mit dem > Familienkundlichen Arbeitskreis im Geschichtsausschuss des Heimatbundes für das Oldenburger > Münsterland herausgegeben. > > > Nähere Angaben über die auf der DVD-ROM enthaltenen Totenzettel und > Totenbilder sind auf der OGF-Homepage unter "Downloads" ersichtlich. Dort befindet > sich das komplette Namensregister zu den 28.000 Abbildungen.> > Die DVD-ROM ist über den Online-Shop der Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft für > Familienkunde unter> www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de> zu beziehen, der Preis beträgt 20,00 EURO zuzüglich Porto.> > Beachten Sie auch den im November 2006 fertiggestellten Band 1: "Grabstelen > und Grabplatten im Oldenburger Land aus dem 17. und 18. Jahrhundert" > (Bearbeiterin Monika Sabrowsky). Die CD-ROM enthält u.a. 489 Abbildungen aus 69 > Kirchspielen des nördlichen Oldenburger Landes und ist ebenfalls zum Preis von > 20,00 EURO über den Online-Shop der OGF erhältlich. Auch hierzu gibt es auf der > Homepage unter Downloads das komplette Namensregister.> > Mit freundlichen Grüssen> Wolfgang Martens> _www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de_ (http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de) > Oldenburg-L mailing list> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
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Re: [OL] Neu ! 28.000 Totenzettel und Sterbebilder aus dem Oldenburger Land auf DVD-ROM

Date: 2007/02/15 21:23:15
From: Doug Fricke <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com>

Pattie,
 
Browse to the website for an English translation...
 
http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/
 
Doug Fricke in Indiana> From: pcamp952(a)hotmail.com> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net; ogf-l(a)genealogy.net; famnord(a)genealogy.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:02:56 -0500> Subject: Re: [OL] Neu ! 28.000 Totenzettel und Sterbebilder aus dem Oldenburger Land auf DVD-ROM> > Hello,> Would someone be kind enough to translate this message into English for me?> Regards,> Pattie

[OL] Speckmanns in Bümmerstede

Date: 2007/02/15 23:08:23
From: Frank Speckmann <frank.speckmann1(a)ewetel.net>

Hallo liebe Familienforscher !

Wer hat möglicherweise Daten zu den Vorfahren von Friedrich Adolf Gustav SPECKMANN, geboren 29.03.1891 in Bümmerstede ?
Ich suche insbesondere nähere Angaben zu den Eltern Johann Diedrich SPECKMANN und Mathilde Rebecca geb. HEINEMANN. Könnte möglicherweise eine Verbindung zum "Bümmersteder Krug - Speckmann" bestehen.

Frank Speckmann
Wardenburg

[OL] kl. Sextro-LÜBKE in Langwege near Dinklag e

Date: 2007/02/16 04:06:28
From: Linda Luebcke <LLuebcke(a)att.net>

Hello,

Please excuse my use of English.  My German is very bad.

I am trying to understand the origin of the  Lübke  part of the kl. Sextro-Lübke family name.

The family was part of the farming community of Langwege (II) near the town of Dinklage in Oldenburg . 

Catholic church records from Dinklage in the 1800's use "kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke" for the family.      
Johan Herman kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke (1774-1855) and his son Johan Heinrich kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke (1810-1873) were the first people I found in the records with the Lübke part of the name.     

I know these extra names were used to tell families with similar names apart but  -  why was Lübke chosen?   Why was it important to the family?

An aunt said that Lübke was the name of a farm.   Is that true??    Is it a part of Langwege?

Does anyone on the list know something that might help me understand the  Lübke  part of the name?

Franz Josef kl. Sextro-Lübke (1881-1946) came to America from Langwege in 1905.   He farmed in the small town of Marysville in the state of Kansas.   His name changed to  Francis Joseph Luebcke   and all his descendants use that name.

Thank You for your help in figuring out why my name is "Lübke".   :-))

Linda Luebcke


Re: [OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever

Date: 2007/02/16 06:04:13
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

On 2/15/07, Laila Cichos <cichos(a)gmail.com> wrote:
well it would give me a location to start a search for him
Laila

How?

If I come from Philly and they call my Philboy in LA but my real name
is John, what will that do for you in Philly? You won't know to look
for John.

Fred



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Re: [OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever

Date: 2007/02/16 09:02:52
From: Sigrid Krijger <s.krijger(a)hccnet.nl>

one of my ancestors, about 1500, is even called Van Jever! Living in Emden at that time. I won't be able to trace him back to Jever, although I'm quite sure he came from there. His given name is Johan, his occupation "Kremer". His name in his Jever-time is unknown.How would he be named? Johan Kremer? Surely not Johan van Jever. By the way: his wife's name was Anna, sons Hinrich and Hermann. (Johan Hinrichs? Johan Hermanns?)

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Re: [OL] kl. Sextro-LÜBKE in Langwege near Dinklag e

Date: 2007/02/16 14:30:11
From: REPKINGRON <REPKINGRON(a)aol.com>

 
 
There are two entries for LÜBKE in Dr Pagenstert's book "Die Bauernhöfe im  
Amte Vechta", LÜBKE (MÜHLEN) and LÜBKE (LEHMDEN).  I will send you a JPG  image 
of the entries.
 
 

Ronald J  Repking
Repkingron(a)aol.com
Flossmoor, Illinois


 
In a message dated 2/15/07 9:17:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
LLuebcke(a)att.net writes:

Hello,

Please excuse my use of English.  My German is very  bad.

I am trying to understand the origin of the  Lübke  part  of the kl. 
Sextro-Lübke family name.

The family was part of the farming  community of Langwege (II) near the town 
of Dinklage in Oldenburg .  

Catholic church records from Dinklage in the 1800's use "kl. Sextro  vulgo 
Lübke" for the family.      
Johan Herman kl. Sextro  vulgo Lübke (1774-1855) and his son Johan Heinrich 
kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke  (1810-1873) were the first people I found in the 
records with the Lübke part  of the name.     

I know these extra names were used to  tell families with similar names apart 
but  -  why was Lübke  chosen?   Why was it important to the family?

An aunt said  that Lübke was the name of a farm.   Is that true??    Is  it a 
part of Langwege?

Does anyone on the list know something that  might help me understand the  
Lübke  part of the name?

Franz  Josef kl. Sextro-Lübke (1881-1946) came to America from Langwege in  
1905.   He farmed in the small town of Marysville in the state of  Kansas.   
His name changed to  Francis Joseph  Luebcke   and all his descendants use that 
name.

Thank You  for your help in figuring out why my name is "Lübke".    :-))

Linda Luebcke

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Sextro-LBKE

Date: 2007/02/16 15:03:22
From: GENE JANSSEN <jansseng(a)cornernet.com>

I'm only speculating:
However, sometimes a family took the mother's family name, especially if she
brought the farm into the family.  I don't know if that is valid in
Oldenburg, but it certainly is in Ostfriesland just next door.
Gene



Re: [OL] Sextro-LÜBKE

Date: 2007/02/16 16:40:53
From: nearon <nearon(a)aol.com>

 It is true in Oldenburg also. I have had this happen numerous times in my Oldenburg family and it makes tracing ancestry somewhat more difficult (but not impossible, fortunately). David Nearon
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: jansseng(a)cornernet.com
 To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
 Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 6:04 AM
 Subject: Sextro-LÜBKE
 
  I'm only speculating:
However, sometimes a family took the mother's family name, especially if she
brought the farm into the family.  I don't know if that is valid in
Oldenburg, but it certainly is in Ostfriesland just next door.
Gene


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Re: [OL] kl. Sextro-LÜBKE in Langwege near Dinklag e

Date: 2007/02/16 18:38:34
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Linda,
here one more confusing, because the parents of Johan Herman are
Johann Heinrich Burwinkel genannt(called) kl.Sextro and Anna Elisabeth Schulte (say Heitmann book).
I will ask an expert for Dinklage.
Wait and see,
Werner Honkomp

> Hello,

> Please excuse my use of English.  My German is very bad.

> I am trying to understand the origin of the  Lübke  part of the kl.
> Sextro-Lübke family name.

> The family was part of the farming community of Langwege (II) near the
> town of Dinklage in Oldenburg .

> Catholic church records from Dinklage in the 1800's use "kl. Sextro vulgo
> Lübke" for the family.
> Johan Herman kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke (1774-1855) and his son Johan Heinrich
> kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke (1810-1873) were the first people I found in the
> records with the Lübke part of the name.

> I know these extra names were used to tell families with similar names
> apart but  -  why was Lübke chosen?   Why was it important to the family?

> An aunt said that Lübke was the name of a farm.   Is that true??    Is it
> a part of Langwege?

> Does anyone on the list know something that might help me understand the
> Lübke  part of the name?

> Franz Josef kl. Sextro-Lübke (1881-1946) came to America from Langwege in
> 1905.   He farmed in the small town of Marysville in the state of Kansas.
> His name changed to  Francis Joseph Luebcke   and all his descendants use
> that name.

> Thank You for your help in figuring out why my name is "Lübke".   :-))

> Linda Luebcke

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[OL] (no subject)

Date: 2007/02/16 21:45:01
From: idelerfamily <idelerfamily(a)t-online.de>

Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder,

wer hat Informationen über folgende Namen?:

Heese
Deddens
Ideler
Lübbehusen

Mfg

Marita Ideler(geb.Deddens)


Re: [OL] kl. Sextro-LBKE in Langwege near Dinklage

Date: 2007/02/17 04:24:52
From: Edwardssl <Edwardssl(a)att.net>

Hello,
Would you also be willing to send the JPG image to me?  I'm descended from the Mühlen Lübke.

Thanks in advance
Linda Kramer Edwards
Aurora Illinois
edwardssl(a)att.net



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> 
> 
> There are two entries for LÜBKE in Dr Pagenstert's book "Die Bauernhöfe im 
> Amte Vechta", LÜBKE (MÜHLEN) and LÜBKE (LEHMDEN). I will send you a JPG image 
> of the entries. 
> 
> 
> 
> Ronald J Repking 
> Repkingron(a)aol.com 
> Flossmoor, Illinois 

Re: [OL] kl. Sextro-LÜBKE in Langwege near Dinklag e

Date: 2007/02/17 05:37:51
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

Linda, I guess you know what vulgo means, right? If not, here's a
quick review. I would venture a bet that someone named 'kleine Sextro'
moved over to the Lügke farm and now became known as Lübke. Usually
this is a marriage of a widow or heiress who owned/lived on the Lübke
place. Sometimes the names were then hyphenated for a while but
usually only if the old name also had some significance in the area
and was meant to be saved. Eventually though, the farm place name
would win out as these names had been held for many decades or even
centuries.

Your aunt had her story straight.

Fred


On 2/15/07, Linda Luebcke <LLuebcke(a)att.net> wrote:

I am trying to understand the origin of the  Lübke  part of the kl. Sextro-Lübke family name.
>
Catholic church records from Dinklage in the 1800's use "kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke" for the family.
Johan Herman kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke (1774-1855) and his son Johan Heinrich kl. Sextro vulgo Lübke (1810-1873) were the first people I found in the records with the Lübke part of the name.

I know these extra names were used to tell families with similar names apart but  -  why was Lübke chosen?   Why was it important to the family?

An aunt said that Lübke was the name of a farm.   Is that true??    Is it a part of Langwege?

Does anyone on the list know something that might help me understand the  Lübke  part of the name?

Franz Josef kl. Sextro-Lübke (1881-1946) came to America from Langwege in 1905.   He farmed in the small town of Marysville in the state of Kansas.   His name changed to  Francis Joseph Luebcke   and all his descendants use that name.

Thank You for your help in figuring out why my name is "Lübke".   :-))

Linda Luebcke

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Re: [OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever

Date: 2007/02/17 06:17:13
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

Sigrid,
for ordinary people  back to 1500 and before the name was rather
simple and usually just a first name unless they lived in a city where
more of the same had to be identified. Kremer/Kramer of course was a
seller of goods. Sometimes these folks would travel from place to
place to hawk their wares. So he might have not even been from Jever.
:-) But you have something to the occupation naming scheme. It would
have been one identifying mark. Jan der Kramer or Kramer Jan may well
have been what he was called. Trouble is any of that is almost
impossible to proove.

Fred


On 2/16/07, Sigrid Krijger <s.krijger(a)hccnet.nl> wrote:
one of my ancestors, about 1500, is even called Van Jever! Living in Emden
at that time. I won't be able to trace him back to Jever, although I'm quite
sure he came from there. His given name is Johan, his occupation "Kremer".
His name in his Jever-time is unknown.How would he be named? Johan Kremer?
Surely not Johan van Jever.
By the way: his wife's name was Anna, sons Hinrich and Hermann. (Johan
Hinrichs? Johan Hermanns?)

Sigrid

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Re: [OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever

Date: 2007/02/17 09:47:14
From: Sigrid Krijger <s.krijger(a)hccnet.nl>

Thanks Fred,

I know this is a very tough brickwall. I do not seriously researching this line further back. Even if I could find the right names in Jever, I wouldn't be able to identify him as the same person. This first Johan is calling himself van Jever, so do his sons and even so do his grandchildren, not living in Jever anymore for generations.

Sigrid


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To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [OL] Adressbuch Stadt Jever


Sigrid,
for ordinary people  back to 1500 and before the name was rather
simple and usually just a first name unless they lived in a city where
more of the same had to be identified. Kremer/Kramer of course was a
seller of goods. Sometimes these folks would travel from place to
place to hawk their wares. So he might have not even been from Jever.
:-) But you have something to the occupation naming scheme. It would
have been one identifying mark. Jan der Kramer or Kramer Jan may well
have been what he was called. Trouble is any of that is almost
impossible to proove.

Fred


On 2/16/07, Sigrid Krijger <s.krijger(a)hccnet.nl> wrote:
one of my ancestors, about 1500, is even called Van Jever! Living in Emden at that time. I won't be able to trace him back to Jever, although I'm quite sure he came from there. His given name is Johan, his occupation "Kremer". His name in his Jever-time is unknown.How would he be named? Johan Kremer?
Surely not Johan van Jever.
By the way: his wife's name was Anna, sons Hinrich and Hermann. (Johan
Hinrichs? Johan Hermanns?)

Sigrid

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Re: [OL] kl. Sextro-LÜBKE in Langwege near Dinklag e

Date: 2007/02/17 12:45:58
From: REPKINGRON <REPKINGRON(a)aol.com>

 
In a message dated 2/16/07 9:25:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
Edwardssl(a)att.net writes:

Hello,
Would you also be willing to send the JPG image to me?   I'm descended from 
the Mühlen Lübke.

Thanks in  advance



Which image?

[OL] familysearch

Date: 2007/02/17 16:17:02
From: Ilona en Paulus <livrot(a)versatel.nl>

Hello,

I am looking for a person named Barend Ducker (or a person with a similar name). He was born around 1716-1721 and belonged to the roman-catholic church. He emigrated to Holland. His elder brother was named Gerhard. Does anybody have some information?

Paules Dukker

Re: [OL] Lübbehüsen

Date: 2007/02/18 20:50:30
From: Gabriele Landwehr <gabriele_landwehr(a)msn.com>

Hallo Marita
Ich habe einen Bernhard LÜBBEHÜSEN * 20.12.1863 - Deindrup/Vechta
+ 13.2.1942 - Repke °° mit Maria Elisabeth Backhaus. Das Paar hatte sechs
Kinder. 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Gabriele

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Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Februar 2007 21:45
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL] (no subject)

Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder,

wer hat Informationen über folgende Namen?:

Heese
Deddens
Ideler
Lübbehusen

Mfg

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[OL] Kreke

Date: 2007/02/18 22:57:47
From: JAMES HAMMOND <njhammon(a)msn.com>

Looking for information on the following:

Mary E. Kreke
born 18 May 1796 in Hertman, Germany
Died 10 Aug 1828 in Hastrup, Germany

her father was Philipp Kreke
her mother was Lucia Adlheid Greswinkel

any help would be appreciated.

njhammon(a)msn.com<mailto:njhammon(a)msn.com>
11228 North State Road 101
Decatur, Indiana  46733

Re: [OL] familysearch

Date: 2007/02/19 11:14:50
From: werner wierhake <wierhake(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Paulus, ist es evtl. Arend Ducker * 21.02.1696 Quakenbrück, Hannover OO 29.10.1721 Quakenbrück mit Lucretia Margaretha Hunderdosse ??
Gruß Werner.
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: [OL] familysearch


Hello,

I am looking for a person named Barend Ducker (or a person with a
similar name). He was born around 1716-1721 and belonged to the
roman-catholic church. He emigrated to Holland. His elder brother was
named Gerhard. Does anybody have some information?

Paules Dukker
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[OL] Wanderjahre-Walz-Tippelei, Namensverbreitung

Date: 2007/02/19 16:51:18
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

mir ist aufgefallen, daß viele 'Listen' sich zu sehr an  i h r Gebiet
klammern, dies oftmals ganz explizit mit Aussagen wie....'wenden Sie sich
bitte an die soundso-Liste, hier sind sie falsch'. Suchende entschuldigen
sich, wenn sie, wie sie meinen, aus versehen auf einer 'falschen' Liste
gelandet sind - warum? Dabei sollte jeder 'Suchende' alle Listen
anschreiben, denn häufig sind die Vorfahren und hier im Besonderen die
Handwerker in der Welt herumgezogen und wurden in einem völlig anderem
Gebiet seßhaft, weit entfernt von ihrer angestammten Heimat. Hierfür gab
viele Gründe, die liebreizende Tochter eines Schmieds oder Bäckers oder weil
dort der 'Batzen' stimmte (1 Batzen 15 Gulden, in der Schweiz).

.......................Zu diesem Thema sagt WIKI (auszugsweise). Die
Wanderjahre, auch Walz, Stör oder Tippelei genannt, bezieht sich auf die
Wanderschaft zünftiger Gesellen. Sie bezeichnet die Zeit des Wanderns der
Gesellen nach dem Abschluss seiner Lehrzeit (Lossprechung). Die Wanderschaft
war seit dem Spätmittelalter bis zur beginnenden Industrialisierung eine der
Voraussetzungen für den Gesellen, die Prüfung zum Meister zu beginnen. Unser
heutiges Bild über die Gesellenwanderung ist häufig verklärt durch einzelne
fragmentarische Überlieferungen, die sich überwiegend auf den Zeitraum des
späten 18. bis zum frühen 20. Jahrhunderts beziehen. Die Geschichte der
Wanderschaft als Teil der Handwerks- und Industriegeschichte sowie der
Migrationsforschung ist bislang nur in Bruchstücken
rekonstruiert............................................

Danach sind diese Wanderungen Bestandteil der damaligen Handwerker'Innungen'
(Zünfte). Immerhin hat diese 'Tippelei' dazu beitragen, daß viele Namen in
andere Regionen getragen wurden (ich spreche hier nicht von
Auswanderungen!). Wenn in den KBs ihr Vorfahr als Schlosser-, Maurer- oder
Schuhmachermeister ausgewiesen ist, dann  war er drei Jahre auf der Walz
aber, wo war er wann? Gibt es Listen die diese Zeiten erfaßt haben? Ich
denke, daß dieses Umherziehen bisher in Bezug auf die Namensverbreitung zu
wenig Beachtung findet.Wie wäre es mit einer Liste für dieses Thema?

Abschließend ein Wort an die Listenowner die es angeht. Laßt auch die
Tippelbrüder in eure Listen und benutzt bei `gebiets-falschen' Anfragen die
LÖSCHTASTE  nicht zu schnell.

Mfg
Uwe G. Pommerening



[OL] Dierkhüse-Husum/Bühren/Emstek

Date: 2007/02/19 23:46:34
From: Christina Lamping <lamp.wuebb(a)t-online.de>

   Dies ist eine Anfrage an Hans-Jürgen Hinrichsmeyer!

   Hallo Herr Hinrichsmeyer,

   In einer Nachricht vom März  2001 über [OL]-Liste teilen Sie mit, dass
   Sie über Daten von Dierkhüse - Vorfahren verfügen.
   Bei den Nachforschungen zu meinem Stammbaum verfolge ich auch die
   Linie meiner Mutter , Ida Hermine Dierkhüse (*22.01.1935;

   gest. 01.04.1989), Tochter  von August  Dierkhüse  und  und  Ida
   Dierkhüse aus Husum bei Schneiderkrug.

   Mein Vater ist Otto Lamping (geb. am 04.05.1928) aus Vestrup/Bakum.

   Sollten Sie mir weiterhelfen können, wäre ich sehr dankbar.

   Mit herzlichen Grüßen


   Christina  Lamping
   --
   Christina Lamping & Hermann Wuebbena
   Jägerpfad 2
   26 506 Norden
   Postfach 100 618
   26 496 Norden
   Tel.: 04931-1 63 73
   Fax.: 04931-93 20 47
   Email-Adresse: lamp.wuebb(a)t-online.de

[OL] Dierkhuse-Husum/Buhren/Emstek

Date: 2007/02/20 15:32:59
From: Jurgen Bunger <juergen-buenger(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Christina,

Die Chronik "1050 Jahre Buhren" beinhaltet einiges uber die Familie
Dierkhuse.
Falls dir diese Chronik nicht vorliegt, kann ich dir die entsprechenden
Seiten per Mail zuschicken.
Gru?
Jurgen Bunger
http://freenet-homepage.de/Ahnenforschung.Buenger/




[OL] Familie GRÜNEFELD

Date: 2007/02/20 18:31:34
From: Horst Grünefeld <horst.gruenefeld(a)arcor.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
ich suche weitere Daten zu folgenden Personen:

Hinrich Anton GRÜNEFELD * 28. Dez. 1889 in Vreschen-Bokel

Hermann Richard GRÜNEFELD * 5 Sep. 1891 in Vreschen-Bokel

Wilhelm GRÜNEFELD * 9 Aug. 1893 in Vreschen-Bokel

Bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar.


Horst Grünefeld



Re: [OL] Kreke-Gresswinkel

Date: 2007/02/20 21:19:19
From: Bernhard Struckmann <Bernhard.Struckmann(a)t-online.de>

"JAMES HAMMOND" <njhammon(a)msn.com> schrieb:
> Looking for information on the following:
> 
> Mary E. Kreke
> born 18 May 1796 in Hertman, Germany
> Died 10 Aug 1828 in Hastrup, Germany
> 
> her father was Philipp Kreke
> her mother was Lucia Adlheid Greswinkel
> 
> any help would be appreciated.
> 
> njhammon(a)msn.com<mailto:njhammon(a)msn.com>
> 11228 North State Road 101
> Decatur, Indiana  46733

Gresswinkel,Luzia Marg. Adelheid is born: 17.03.1771
	Father: Joh. Gresswinkel Nortrup parish Ankum   
	Mother: Bertke, A. Gertr. 
married 04.05.1795 in Bersenbrück	
Joh. Gerd Philip Kreke
 		
For informations abut Ankum and Bersenbrück 
look at http://www.osfa.de 
It is the "Osnabrücker Familienforschung"

Regards 
Bernd Struckmann 


Re: [OL] (no subject)

Date: 2007/02/21 18:46:45
From: von Husen <von-husen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Marita,

sollte deine Familie Ideler aus Lohne stammen, kann ich dir mit
Informationen aus dem Zeitraum 1661-1800 helfen.

Gruß aus Lemförde am Dümmer See

Ludger von Husen

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idelerfamily(a)t-online.de
Gesendet: Freitag, 16. Februar 2007 21:45
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL] (no subject)

Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder,

wer hat Informationen über folgende Namen?:

Heese
Deddens
Ideler
Lübbehusen

Mfg

Marita Ideler(geb.Deddens)

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Re: [OL] English capitalization

Date: 2007/02/22 00:37:54
From: M <mwethington(a)comcast.net>

Hello Uwe and David,

There is a convention for emails related to genealogy.
As you know, we get a lot of email from these newsgroups that we all like!
Well, in order to make it easier to scan through genealogy emails, people
capitalize surnames that appear in the body of the email and in the subject
line of the email.  Absolutely no offense is intended.  The use of this
habit is meant to be helpful to all of us!
I have seen request in several newsgroups will remind new people to do this.

In other emails, yes the capitalization can be meant to represent yelling or
shouting.  Keep in mind this can sometimes be happy shouting for good
things, not always for bad things.  The downside of having too many words
typed in capital letters is that it is hard to read.  So, in general, unless
you want to emphasize something, it is best not to use it.

Have a great day!
Marilyn Ruhe Wethington



[OL] Family Names

Date: 2007/02/22 02:26:45
From: Caljoykeil <Caljoykeil(a)aol.com>

I am searching the names:
 
Will/Wilde:  Kreis Grimmen as  far as I know--near Gormin.
 
Dehmlow:  Kreis Grimmen and possibly earlier  in Ruegen
 
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Re: [OL] English capitalization

Date: 2007/02/22 03:53:20
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>

Thank you for the explanation Marilyn,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of M
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:38 PM
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL] English capitalization

Hello Uwe and David,

There is a convention for emails related to genealogy.
<snip>



Re: [OL] Ruhe

Date: 2007/02/22 19:29:06
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Marylin,
I have just resarch for Mrs. Steltenpohl the name RUHE. The origin is Vestrup-Lüsche (Oldenburg). You are related?
Sincerely,
Werner Honkomp

> Marilyn Ruhe Wethington


Re: [OL] Ruhe

Date: 2007/02/22 20:02:10
From: von Husen <von-husen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Werner,
zu meinen Vorfahren zählen 

Johan Ruhe (* 1671 err., + 27.01.1719) aus Lüsche
cop. 03.11.1705 Vestrup
Anna Catharina Schuling (* 1686 err., + 15.04.1737)
Kinder u.a.:
Anna (getauft 03.02.1710 Vestrup, + 02.09.1779)
cop. 07.11.1730
Johan Theodor Hovenne (* 12.11.1708 Essen, + 28.03.1798)

Ist diese Abstammung richtig und hast du die Vorfahren des Johan Ruhe
ermitteln können?
Ist es richtig, dass Anna Catharina Schuling eine Tochter der Eheleute
Wessel Schuling und Anna NN ist? Kennst du den Nachnamen der Ehefrau bzw.
die Vorfahren des Ehepaars?

Gruß aus Lemförde am Dümmer See

Ludger von Husen


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Werner Honkomp
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 18:56
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: [OL] Ruhe

Hello Marylin,
I have just resarch for Mrs. Steltenpohl the name RUHE. The origin is
Vestrup-Lüsche (Oldenburg). You are related?
Sincerely,
Werner Honkomp

> Marilyn Ruhe Wethington

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Re: [OL] Ruhe

Date: 2007/02/23 20:44:23
From: Bruce Kuennen <bruce.kuennen(a)gmail.com>

I also am related to the Ruhes; I assume the information I have is the same
as Werners, in fact he may be the one who sent it to me, but I'd be glad to
share what I have.

Bruce Kuennen
Olympia, WA, USA


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:31:00 +0100
From: Horst Gr?nefeld <horst.gruenefeld(a)arcor.de>
Subject: [OL] Familie GR?NEFELD
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
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Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
ich suche weitere Daten zu folgenden Personen:

Hinrich Anton GR?NEFELD * 28. Dez. 1889 in Vreschen-Bokel

Hermann Richard GR?NEFELD * 5 Sep. 1891 in Vreschen-Bokel

Wilhelm GR?NEFELD * 9 Aug. 1893 in Vreschen-Bokel

Bin f?r jeden Hinweis dankbar.


Horst Gr?nefeld




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:55:42 +0100
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Subject: Re: [OL] Ruhe
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hello Marylin,
I have just resarch for Mrs. Steltenpohl the name RUHE. The origin is
Vestrup-L?sche (Oldenburg). You are related?
Sincerely,
Werner Honkomp

> Marilyn Ruhe Wethington



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:57:13 +0100
From: "von Husen" <von-husen(a)t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [OL] Ruhe
To: "'Werner Honkomp'" <werner(a)honkomp.de>,     "'Oldenburg-L'"
       <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Message-ID: <1HKJCN-0REwO80(a)fwd30.sul.t-online.de>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"

Hallo Werner,
zu meinen Vorfahren z?hlen

Johan Ruhe (* 1671 err., + 27.01.1719) aus L?sche
cop. 03.11.1705 Vestrup
Anna Catharina Schuling (* 1686 err., + 15.04.1737)
Kinder u.a.:
Anna (getauft 03.02.1710 Vestrup, + 02.09.1779)
cop. 07.11.1730
Johan Theodor Hovenne (* 12.11.1708 Essen, + 28.03.1798)

Ist diese Abstammung richtig und hast du die Vorfahren des Johan Ruhe
ermitteln k?nnen?
Ist es richtig, dass Anna Catharina Schuling eine Tochter der Eheleute
Wessel Schuling und Anna NN ist? Kennst du den Nachnamen der Ehefrau bzw.
die Vorfahren des Ehepaars?

Gru? aus Lemf?rde am D?mmer See

Ludger von Husen


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Werner Honkomp
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 18:56
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: [OL] Ruhe

Hello Marylin,
I have just resarch for Mrs. Steltenpohl the name RUHE. The origin is
Vestrup-L?sche (Oldenburg). You are related?
Sincerely,
Werner Honkomp

> Marilyn Ruhe Wethington

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[OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING

Date: 2007/02/24 20:25:35
From: Becky Koelling <beckykoelling(a)charter.net>

My gg-grandmother was Anna Maria ZUMBAHLEN born 1835 in Oldenburg. Came to the US in the 1840's and settled in Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio...married John Theodor TOENNIS in 1852.

Anna's parents were: Joseph ZUMBAHLEN (b. 1792-d. 1860) and Elisabeth WOLFING (b.1795-d.1870).

Joseph and Anna had at LEAST two other children:

Elisabeth who married Bernard MOHRHAUS in Cincinnati
Clemens who married Helena DEY in Cincinnati


They likely had more children, but I have not confirmed these connections. The family was Catholic and they were possibly from Dinklage in Oldenburg.

Joseph may have been the son of Werner ZUM BAHLEN and Anna Catherina SEELHORST. This is unconfirmed and may be incorrect.

Possible other children for Joseph and Elisabeth are:

Otto Henry married Louise Augusta Amalie WURTZ in St. Louis, Missouri
Maria A. married Franz RIELAGE in Cincinnati
Mary Catherine married John Bernard RIESSELMAN in Cincinnati
Caroline married John RIELAG in Cincinnati
Heinrich married Helena LUETTMAN and settled in Kentucky
Bernardine married Anton DEIE in Cincinnati and Martin SCHULZ in Cincinnati
Herman Heinrich married Elizabeth Bernardina TEGENKAMP in Illinois
H. ? married a Anna Katharine in Illinois?
Herman in Illinois
Joseph who married Mary in Illinois

Any information about the origin of this family is appreciated.

Becky Koelling

Re: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING

Date: 2007/02/24 21:44:45
From: Doug Fricke <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com>

Becky,
 
We are also researching the ZUMBAHLEN Family from Dinklage. You should check the LDS site for the following: "Katholische Kirche Dinklage" (AG. Vechta), Kirchenbuch, 1668-1875, Salt Lake City : Gefilmt durch the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1972.
 
For our family, records from the above Catholic church show that Maria Zumbahlen and Bernard Heinrich Kenkel were the parents of Gerhard Heinrich Kenkel who was baptized in May of 1791. Gerhard married Margaretha Elisabetha Espelage in 1824 in Dinklage and they baptized their son Bernard in April of 1825. Bernard and Katharina Henriette Hüve were married in 1852, emigrated to the states in 1874, lived in Cincinnati, and are buried at St. Mary's Cemetery.
 
We may share common ancestors.
 
Doug Fricke in Indiana



> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> From: beckykoelling(a)charter.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:21:39 -0600> Subject: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING> > My gg-grandmother was Anna Maria ZUMBAHLEN born 1835 in Oldenburg. > Came to the US in the 1840's and settled in Cincinnati, Hamilton, > Ohio...married John Theodor TOENNIS in 1852.> > Anna's parents were: Joseph ZUMBAHLEN (b. 1792-d. 1860) and > Elisabeth WOLFING (b.1795-d.1870).> > Joseph and Anna had at LEAST two other children:> > Elisabeth who married Bernard MOHRHAUS in Cincinnati> Clemens who married Helena DEY in Cincinnati> > > They likely had more children, but I have not confirmed these > connections.> The family was Catholic and they were possibly from Dinklage in > Oldenburg.> > Joseph may have been the son of Werner ZUM BAHLEN and Anna Catherina > SEELHORST. This is unconfirmed and may be incorrect.> > Possible other children for Joseph and Elisabeth are:> > Otto Henry married Louise Augusta Amalie WURTZ in St. Louis, Missouri> Maria A. married Franz RIELAGE in Cincinnati> Mary Catherine married John Bernard RIESSELMAN in Cincinnati> Caroline married John RIELAG in Cincinnati> Heinrich married Helena LUETTMAN and settled in Kentucky> Bernardine married Anton DEIE in Cincinnati and Martin SCHULZ in > Cincinnati> Herman Heinrich married Elizabeth Bernardina TEGENKAMP in Illinois> H. ? married a Anna Katharine in Illinois?> Herman in Illinois> Joseph who married Mary in Illinois> > Any information about the origin of this family is appreciated.> > Becky Koelling> Oldenburg-L mailing list> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l

Re: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING

Date: 2007/02/25 03:16:19
From: Becky Koelling <beckykoelling(a)charter.net>

Doug,

We likely do share some ancestors. Thanks for the information. I found a gedcom on Ancestry that has lots of Zumbahlens in the Cincinnati area connected to mine, but no sources and the owner did not respond to my query about where they found their info. I am more curious than ever to find out exactly where they came from in Oldenburg, and who in Cincinnati they were related to.

Thanks!

Becky


On Feb 24, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Doug Fricke wrote:

Becky,

We are also researching the ZUMBAHLEN Family from Dinklage. You should check the LDS site for the following: "Katholische Kirche Dinklage" (AG. Vechta), Kirchenbuch, 1668-1875, Salt Lake City : Gefilmt durch the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1972.

For our family, records from the above Catholic church show that Maria Zumbahlen and Bernard Heinrich Kenkel were the parents of Gerhard Heinrich Kenkel who was baptized in May of 1791. Gerhard married Margaretha Elisabetha Espelage in 1824 in Dinklage and they baptized their son Bernard in April of 1825. Bernard and Katharina Henriette Hüve were married in 1852, emigrated to the states in 1874, lived in Cincinnati, and are buried at St. Mary's Cemetery.

We may share common ancestors.

Doug Fricke in Indiana



To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> From: beckykoelling(a)charter.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:21:39 -0600> Subject: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING> > My gg-grandmother was Anna Maria ZUMBAHLEN born 1835 in Oldenburg. > Came to the US in the 1840's and settled in Cincinnati, Hamilton, > Ohio...married John Theodor TOENNIS in 1852.> > Anna's parents were: Joseph ZUMBAHLEN (b. 1792-d. 1860) and > Elisabeth WOLFING (b.1795-d.1870).> > Joseph and Anna had at LEAST two other children:> > Elisabeth who married Bernard MOHRHAUS in Cincinnati> Clemens who married Helena DEY in Cincinnati> > > They likely had more children, but I have not confirmed these > connections.> The family was Catholic and they were possibly from Dinklage in > Oldenburg.> > Joseph may have been the son of Werner ZUM BAHLEN and Anna Catherina > SEELHORST. This is unconfirmed and may be incorrect.> > Possible other children for Joseph and Elisabeth are:> > Otto Henry married Louise Augusta Amalie WURTZ in St. Louis, Missouri> Maria A. married Franz RIELAGE in Cincinnati> Mary Catherine married John Bernard RIESSELMAN in Cincinnati> Caroline married John RIELAG in Cincinnati> Heinrich married Helena LUETTMAN and settled in Kentucky> Bernardine married Anton DEIE in Cincinnati and Martin SCHULZ in > Cincinnati> Herman Heinrich married Elizabeth Bernardina TEGENKAMP in Illinois> H. ? married a Anna Katharine in Illinois?> Herman in Illinois> Joseph who married Mary in Illinois> > Any information about the origin of this family is appreciated.> > Becky Koelling> Oldenburg-L mailing list> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/ listinfo/oldenburg-l
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[OL] Ancestors search

Date: 2007/02/25 10:16:38
From: gj.speckmann <gj.speckmann(a)planet.nl>

Dear Readers,

 

I am searching for information of the ancestors of:

 

Anna Catharina Flessner, born ~ 1693 ? , married Johann Hinrich Speckmann,
born ~ 1689 ?

Gesche Sophia Menken born 01-06-1724 Westerburg, married Johann Hinrich
Speckmann, born 01-07-1719 Astrup

Anna Metje Finke, born 19-01-1748 Wardenburg, married Johann Hinrich
Speckmann born  17-05-1750 Westerburg

Catharine Vahlenkamp, born 14-06-1782 Hatten, married  Hinrich Speckmann
born 13-11-1776 Munderloh

Anna Catharine Wille , born 18-02-1805, Achternholt, married Johann
Speckmann born 16-08-1808 Munderloh,

 

Thanks,

Gert-Jan Speckmann

 


[OL] Searching for relatives in USA

Date: 2007/02/25 12:50:12
From: Sandra Folte <sandrafolte(a)online.de>

I'm searching for relatives in the USA. The following list was made about 1956 and I just list the youngest people from our family tree. I really hope to find someone who recognizes parents or grandparents, because I want to save the knowledge about our family.

Susanne D. Sweeney
Edward Teddy C. Sweeney Jr.
Philip M. Sweeney
Harriet Sweeney
John Henry Sweeney
Faye Westbrook Hauberg
Sue Bradford Hauberg
Mark Denkman Hauberg
Edward Simpson
Cynthia Burke
Janet Burke
Frederic James Burke
Sandra Marie Gernant
Randy Charles Sears
Arlyn Herbert Chrisop
Karen Jean Chrisop
Robert Everett Gernant
Judy Kay Gernant
Matthew John Hohenboken
Linda Marie Mahs
Wende Sue Greenwood
John T. Greenwood
Mickel Paul Klemmer
Jay Douglas Klemmer
Gregory Arthur Nelson
Thomas Nelson
Deborah Kay Rickman
Jeffrey Lynn Stenzel
Sharon Lee Stenzel
Dianne Kay DeGeeter
Randy Bruce Rasmussen
Carmen Renee Rasmussen
Rodger Joe Lewis
Gary Allen Lewis
Shirley Mae Maeltzer
Ronnie Maeltzer
Nancy Jean Maeltzer
Daniel Boyd Maeltzer
Robert Maurice Gustafson
Mary Ann Gustafson
Gary Lester Gustafson
David Brent Hier
Clayton Dean Ratcliffe
Shem Lee Taggart
Michael Taggart
Sandra Lee Gernant
Bruce Gerhardt Searle
Ronald Allen Frels
Christopher William Payne
Pamela Susan Payne
Gale Ann Hoelzle
Roberta Pauline Hoelzle
Shirley Ann Eddleman
Henry Frels V
Catherine Frels
Charles I. Pierce
Marguerite M. (Peggy) Pierce
Diana Lynn Behrendt
Tamera Marie Gapenski
Joseph Paul Mohr
John Albert Mohr
James Patrick Mohr
Gary Vincent Fulscher
Leslie Noel Fulscher
Thada Sue Fulscher
Leslie Erdman
Jacquelyn Thatcher
Jane Thatcher
Robert Edward Thatcher
Sandra Faye Thatcher
Janet Leonare Thatcher
Joan Eloise Thatcher
Benjamin Dale Thatcher
Betty Marie Thatcher
Collin Kent Holke
Linda Jean Holke
Karan Ann Holke
Christine Marie Holke
Steven Kent Johnson
Lynn Johnson
Kristine Frels hanford
William Hanford
Julie Ann Frels
James Frels
Karen Ann Haymes
Rita Jean Haymes
Allen Scott Roesner
John Arthur Roesner
Richard Roesner
Ronald Roesner
Robert Roesner
Roger Roesner
Mary Beth Morey
Julie Ann Morey
Carol Beth Morey
Glenn George Schmoll III
Dennis Kelley
Stephen Kelley
Richard Schmoll
Valarie Schmoll
Richard Carl Schmoll
Roberta Anderson
Loretta Anderson
Lynetta Kay Anderson
Suzette Anderson

Re: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING

Date: 2007/02/25 14:00:37
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Becky,
the place/farmgroup Bahlen is a part of the parish Dinklage.
There two farms since middleage, the names are derived from the place :
- Eilert zum Bahlen, 38 hectare
- Wernke zum Bahlen  (mean: Werner of Bahlen)

The last is your line:
- Wernke zum Bahlen, 1908 Gehrmann, 65 hectare (source: "Die Bauernhöfe im Amte Vechta", Pagenstert 1908)
  - 1501 Willike ton Bollen
  - 1545 Herman ton Bollen, 10 horses, 12 cows, 10 cattle, 18 pig
  - 1602 Hinrich zum Bollen
  - 1652 Werneke zum Bollen

Family history, source "Dinklager Familien" by Clemens Heitmann
- Werneke Zumbahlen, * about 1656, + 14.Jan.1725
1. oo 17.Nov.1681 Talke Espelage, + 15.Nov.1686
2. oo 02.Nov.1688 Elisabeth Seelhorst, * about 1665, + 30.Jan.1724
Child:
* 1682 Werner, + 20.Aug.1742
  oo 13.Nov.1714 Anna Margaretha Barlage, * 22.Aug.1688
Child:
* 06.Dec.1724 Hermann Heinrich, + 20.Mar.1764
  oo 03.05.1747 Gesina Blömer, * 06.Mar.1725, + 19.Mar.1795
                2. oo 23.Feb.1766 Herman Heinrich Renze, + 07.Sep.1790
Child:
* 21.Mar.1752 Werner, + 21.May.1826
  oo 19.Nov.1777 Catharina Seelhorst, + 4.Apr.1831
Children:
* 19.Feb.1785 Werner, oo 13.Oct.1818 Elisabeth Ferneding, no children (last farm owner)
* 19.Nov.1787 Johan Herman Heinrich, oo 25.Jan.1820 Anna Maria Pulsfort
* 01.Feb.1792 Johan Heinrich Joseph, oo 21.Nov.1820 Catharina Maria Elisabeth Wulfing, * 14.Mar.1798
* 02.May.1797 Bernhard Heinrich, oo 11.Feb.1830 Maria Anna Kenkel, * 25.May.1809

Could it be, that the parents of Anna Maria came also over the States?

I think it help,
Werner Honkomp


> My gg-grandmother was Anna Maria ZUMBAHLEN born 1835 in Oldenburg.
> Came to the US in the 1840's and settled in Cincinnati, Hamilton,
> Ohio...married John Theodor TOENNIS in 1852.

> Anna's parents were:  Joseph ZUMBAHLEN (b. 1792-d. 1860) and
> Elisabeth WOLFING (b.1795-d.1870).

> Joseph and Anna had at LEAST two other children:

> Elisabeth who married Bernard MOHRHAUS in Cincinnati
> Clemens who married Helena DEY in Cincinnati


> They likely had more children, but I have not confirmed these
> connections.
> The family was Catholic and they were possibly from Dinklage in
> Oldenburg.

> Joseph may have been the son of Werner ZUM BAHLEN and Anna Catherina
> SEELHORST.  This is unconfirmed and may be incorrect.

> Possible other children for Joseph and Elisabeth are:

> Otto Henry married Louise Augusta Amalie WURTZ in St. Louis, Missouri
> Maria A. married Franz RIELAGE in Cincinnati
> Mary Catherine married John Bernard RIESSELMAN in Cincinnati
> Caroline married John RIELAG in Cincinnati
> Heinrich married Helena LUETTMAN and settled in Kentucky
> Bernardine married Anton DEIE in Cincinnati and Martin SCHULZ in
> Cincinnati
> Herman Heinrich married Elizabeth Bernardina TEGENKAMP in Illinois
> H. ? married a Anna Katharine in Illinois?
> Herman in Illinois
> Joseph who married Mary in Illinois

> Any information about the origin of this family is appreciated.

> Becky Koelling
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l



[OL] Zumbahlen

Date: 2007/02/25 15:28:57
From: galagen <galagen(a)arcor.de>

Hello Becky, Doug and others,
short time ago i have started a projekt about The emigrants from Dinklage. The purpose of this projekt is to find out how many persons left Dinklage,  where they have gone and where they have descandents.  If this can be completeted with  personal storys of the emigrants it would be great.
 I compare passengerlists with the results of the church records (not treated on my own) and  other sources.
I would like to share information about any emigrant from Dinklage.In case of the 
ZUMBAHLEN family I don't have any information about the described person, but there are many ZUMBAHLENS from Dinklage emigrated to the US.
The ZUMBAHlEN farm  in Dinklage, Bahlen has been sold by Werneke ZUMBAHLEN in 1833. 
This farm is the origin of all ZUMBAHLENS. 
 If you like to work together you can  also reach me under galagen(a)arcor.de.

Frank Kröger Dinklage

[OL] Bücherliste meiner digitalisierten Bücher

Date: 2007/02/25 16:04:17
From: Hildegard Brümmer <h_br(a)gmx.de>

Hallo,

Unter der Adresse

http://lostbooks.chikano.net/wiki/index.php/Hauptseite

habe ich begonnen meine digitale Bücherliste neu zu ordnen.
Dort werde ich in Zukunft meine digitalisierten Werke unterbringen.
Zur Zeit sind es ca. 300 Bücher, aber wie gesagt es ist nur der Anfang.

Einen schönen Sonntag und alles Gute aus Essen in Oldenburg

Gruß

Hildegard Brümmer

Fragen oder Hinweise bzw. Kritik bitte direkt an meine Adresse.




Re: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING

Date: 2007/02/25 22:18:30
From: Becky Koelling <beckykoelling(a)charter.net>

Werner

Thank you so very much!! That is exactly what I was looking for and I don't know if I could have gotten it on my own!!
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your help!

Becky


On Feb 25, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Werner Honkomp wrote:

Hello Becky,
the place/farmgroup Bahlen is a part of the parish Dinklage.
There two farms since middleage, the names are derived from the place :
- Eilert zum Bahlen, 38 hectare
- Wernke zum Bahlen  (mean: Werner of Bahlen)

The last is your line:
- Wernke zum Bahlen, 1908 Gehrmann, 65 hectare (source: "Die Bauernhöfe im Amte Vechta", Pagenstert 1908)
  - 1501 Willike ton Bollen
  - 1545 Herman ton Bollen, 10 horses, 12 cows, 10 cattle, 18 pig
  - 1602 Hinrich zum Bollen
  - 1652 Werneke zum Bollen

Family history, source "Dinklager Familien" by Clemens Heitmann
- Werneke Zumbahlen, * about 1656, + 14.Jan.1725
1. oo 17.Nov.1681 Talke Espelage, + 15.Nov.1686
2. oo 02.Nov.1688 Elisabeth Seelhorst, * about 1665, + 30.Jan.1724
Child:
* 1682 Werner, + 20.Aug.1742
  oo 13.Nov.1714 Anna Margaretha Barlage, * 22.Aug.1688
Child:
* 06.Dec.1724 Hermann Heinrich, + 20.Mar.1764
  oo 03.05.1747 Gesina Blömer, * 06.Mar.1725, + 19.Mar.1795
                2. oo 23.Feb.1766 Herman Heinrich Renze, + 07.Sep.1790
Child:
* 21.Mar.1752 Werner, + 21.May.1826
  oo 19.Nov.1777 Catharina Seelhorst, + 4.Apr.1831
Children:
* 19.Feb.1785 Werner, oo 13.Oct.1818 Elisabeth Ferneding, no children (last farm owner) * 19.Nov.1787 Johan Herman Heinrich, oo 25.Jan.1820 Anna Maria Pulsfort * 01.Feb.1792 Johan Heinrich Joseph, oo 21.Nov.1820 Catharina Maria Elisabeth Wulfing, * 14.Mar.1798 * 02.May.1797 Bernhard Heinrich, oo 11.Feb.1830 Maria Anna Kenkel, * 25.May.1809

Could it be, that the parents of Anna Maria came also over the States?

I think it help,
Werner Honkomp


My gg-grandmother was Anna Maria ZUMBAHLEN born 1835 in Oldenburg.
Came to the US in the 1840's and settled in Cincinnati, Hamilton,
Ohio...married John Theodor TOENNIS in 1852.

Anna's parents were:  Joseph ZUMBAHLEN (b. 1792-d. 1860) and
Elisabeth WOLFING (b.1795-d.1870).

Joseph and Anna had at LEAST two other children:

Elisabeth who married Bernard MOHRHAUS in Cincinnati
Clemens who married Helena DEY in Cincinnati


They likely had more children, but I have not confirmed these
connections.
The family was Catholic and they were possibly from Dinklage in
Oldenburg.

Joseph may have been the son of Werner ZUM BAHLEN and Anna Catherina
SEELHORST.  This is unconfirmed and may be incorrect.

Possible other children for Joseph and Elisabeth are:

Otto Henry married Louise Augusta Amalie WURTZ in St. Louis, Missouri
Maria A. married Franz RIELAGE in Cincinnati
Mary Catherine married John Bernard RIESSELMAN in Cincinnati
Caroline married John RIELAG in Cincinnati
Heinrich married Helena LUETTMAN and settled in Kentucky
Bernardine married Anton DEIE in Cincinnati and Martin SCHULZ in
Cincinnati
Herman Heinrich married Elizabeth Bernardina TEGENKAMP in Illinois
H. ? married a Anna Katharine in Illinois?
Herman in Illinois
Joseph who married Mary in Illinois

Any information about the origin of this family is appreciated.

Becky Koelling
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Re: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING

Date: 2007/02/25 22:22:21
From: Becky Koelling <beckykoelling(a)charter.net>

Werner,

I'm sorry, I did not answer your last question. Anna Maria's parents did come to the US. They were known as Joseph and Elisabeth, and they died in Cincinnati, Ohio in 1860 and 1870. I have their death and burial records. But they are listed in your email as Johan Heinrich Joseph and Catharina Maria Elisabeth.

I think that they brought many of their children with them to the US.

Thank you!

Becky

On Feb 25, 2007, at 7:01 AM, Werner Honkomp wrote:

Hello Becky,
the place/farmgroup Bahlen is a part of the parish Dinklage.
There two farms since middleage, the names are derived from the place :
- Eilert zum Bahlen, 38 hectare
- Wernke zum Bahlen  (mean: Werner of Bahlen)

The last is your line:
- Wernke zum Bahlen, 1908 Gehrmann, 65 hectare (source: "Die Bauernhöfe im Amte Vechta", Pagenstert 1908)
  - 1501 Willike ton Bollen
  - 1545 Herman ton Bollen, 10 horses, 12 cows, 10 cattle, 18 pig
  - 1602 Hinrich zum Bollen
  - 1652 Werneke zum Bollen

Family history, source "Dinklager Familien" by Clemens Heitmann
- Werneke Zumbahlen, * about 1656, + 14.Jan.1725
1. oo 17.Nov.1681 Talke Espelage, + 15.Nov.1686
2. oo 02.Nov.1688 Elisabeth Seelhorst, * about 1665, + 30.Jan.1724
Child:
* 1682 Werner, + 20.Aug.1742
  oo 13.Nov.1714 Anna Margaretha Barlage, * 22.Aug.1688
Child:
* 06.Dec.1724 Hermann Heinrich, + 20.Mar.1764
  oo 03.05.1747 Gesina Blömer, * 06.Mar.1725, + 19.Mar.1795
                2. oo 23.Feb.1766 Herman Heinrich Renze, + 07.Sep.1790
Child:
* 21.Mar.1752 Werner, + 21.May.1826
  oo 19.Nov.1777 Catharina Seelhorst, + 4.Apr.1831
Children:
* 19.Feb.1785 Werner, oo 13.Oct.1818 Elisabeth Ferneding, no children (last farm owner) * 19.Nov.1787 Johan Herman Heinrich, oo 25.Jan.1820 Anna Maria Pulsfort * 01.Feb.1792 Johan Heinrich Joseph, oo 21.Nov.1820 Catharina Maria Elisabeth Wulfing, * 14.Mar.1798 * 02.May.1797 Bernhard Heinrich, oo 11.Feb.1830 Maria Anna Kenkel, * 25.May.1809

Could it be, that the parents of Anna Maria came also over the States?

I think it help,
Werner Honkomp


My gg-grandmother was Anna Maria ZUMBAHLEN born 1835 in Oldenburg.
Came to the US in the 1840's and settled in Cincinnati, Hamilton,
Ohio...married John Theodor TOENNIS in 1852.

Anna's parents were:  Joseph ZUMBAHLEN (b. 1792-d. 1860) and
Elisabeth WOLFING (b.1795-d.1870).

Joseph and Anna had at LEAST two other children:

Elisabeth who married Bernard MOHRHAUS in Cincinnati
Clemens who married Helena DEY in Cincinnati


They likely had more children, but I have not confirmed these
connections.
The family was Catholic and they were possibly from Dinklage in
Oldenburg.

Joseph may have been the son of Werner ZUM BAHLEN and Anna Catherina
SEELHORST.  This is unconfirmed and may be incorrect.

Possible other children for Joseph and Elisabeth are:

Otto Henry married Louise Augusta Amalie WURTZ in St. Louis, Missouri
Maria A. married Franz RIELAGE in Cincinnati
Mary Catherine married John Bernard RIESSELMAN in Cincinnati
Caroline married John RIELAG in Cincinnati
Heinrich married Helena LUETTMAN and settled in Kentucky
Bernardine married Anton DEIE in Cincinnati and Martin SCHULZ in
Cincinnati
Herman Heinrich married Elizabeth Bernardina TEGENKAMP in Illinois
H. ? married a Anna Katharine in Illinois?
Herman in Illinois
Joseph who married Mary in Illinois

Any information about the origin of this family is appreciated.

Becky Koelling
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[OL] ] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING

Date: 2007/02/25 23:59:40
From: kathygilbert <kathygilbert(a)cinci.rr.com>

Doug & Becky -- I live in Cincinnati. Would you like me to get copies for you of the St. Mary's burial records from the microfilm next time I go to the Public Library? If so, I need to know which surnames below you are interested in and dates of death. I live in Cincinnati.

You can email me directly at kathygilbert(a)cinci.rr.com
Kathy


----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Fricke" <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com>
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING


Becky,

We are also researching the ZUMBAHLEN Family from Dinklage. You should check the LDS site for the following: "Katholische Kirche Dinklage" (AG. Vechta), Kirchenbuch, 1668-1875, Salt Lake City : Gefilmt durch the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1972.

For our family, records from the above Catholic church show that Maria Zumbahlen and Bernard Heinrich Kenkel were the parents of Gerhard Heinrich Kenkel who was baptized in May of 1791. Gerhard married Margaretha Elisabetha Espelage in 1824 in Dinklage and they baptized their son Bernard in April of 1825. Bernard and Katharina Henriette Hüve were married in 1852, emigrated to the states in 1874, lived in Cincinnati, and are buried at St. Mary's Cemetery.

We may share common ancestors.

Doug Fricke in Indiana



To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> From: beckykoelling(a)charter.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:21:39 -0600> Subject: [OL] Surnames ZUMBAHLEN & WOLFING> > My gg-grandmother was Anna Maria ZUMBAHLEN born 1835 in Oldenburg. > Came to the US in the 1840's and settled in Cincinnati, Hamilton, > Ohio...married John Theodor TOENNIS in 1852.> > Anna's parents were: Joseph ZUMBAHLEN (b. 1792-d. 1860) and > Elisabeth WOLFING (b.1795-d.1870).> > Joseph and Anna had at LEAST two other children:> > Elisabeth who married Bernard MOHRHAUS in Cincinnati> Clemens who married Helena DEY in Cincinnati> > > They likely had more children, but I have not confirmed these > connections.> The family was Catholic and they were possibly from Dinklage in > Oldenburg.> > Joseph may have been the son of Werner ZUM BAHLEN and Anna Catherina > SEELHORST. This is unconfirmed and may be incorrect.> > Possible other children for Joseph and Elisabeth are:> > Otto Henry married Louise Augusta Amalie WURTZ in St. Louis, Missouri> Maria A. married Franz RIELAGE in Cincinnati> Mary Catherine married John Bernard RIESSELMAN in Cincinnati> Caroline married John RIELAG in Cincinnati> Heinrich married Helena LUETTMAN and settled in Kentucky> Bernardine married Anton DEIE in Cincinnati and Martin SCHULZ in > Cincinnati> Herman Heinrich married Elizabeth Bernardina TEGENKAMP in Illinois> H. ? married a Anna Katharine in Illinois?> Herman in Illinois> Joseph who married Mary in Illinois> > Any information about the origin of this family is appreciated.> > Becky Koelling> Oldenburg-L mailing list> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
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[OL] ZUMBAHLEN

Date: 2007/02/26 17:36:40
From: galagen <galagen(a)arcor.de>

Hello Becky and Werner
In addition to Clemens Heitmannn I have the following family. Heitmann writes That Werneke Zumbahlen had no children, but hee sold the farm and went to Amerika to.

ZUMBAHLEN, Werner, r-kath. 
19.02.1785  in Dinklage St.Cath. 
              ELT: Werner zum Bahlen, Anna Catharina Seelhorst 
PATEN:Johan Henrich zum Bahlen, Elisabet Blomer, Jan Henrich Seelhorst 
ZUMBAHLEN, Wernke, Zeller, Wohnort 1833 in Bahlen, ~ in Dinklage 
Weiteres ...   Auswanderungsziel 1833  in Amerika, Auswanderung 1833 nach Amt Steinfeld Verzeichnis der 
ausgewanderten Personen 
Bemerkungen: Zusammen mit Frau und 5 Kindern, 11,9,7,5 u. 3, ausgewandert, die nicht namentlich genannt 
werden. Nahm 1100 Taler mit sich. 

Abschrift der Passagierliste der  Brunswick vom 17.10.1833
20  Bahlen, Bernhardine                F   9                      Dinklage        Baltimore
  22  Bahlen, Caroline                   F   4                      Dinklage        Baltimore
  19  Bahlen, Elisabeth                  F  37                      Dinklage        Baltimore
  24  Bahlen, Henry                      M   2                      Dinklage        Baltimore
  23  Bahlen, Herm. Henry                M  11                      Dinklage        Baltimore
  21  Bahlen, Marjanne                   F   7                      Dinklage        Baltimore
  18  Bahlen, Warnkezum                  M  48        Farmer        Dinklage        Baltimore

nach Clemens Bröring, Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien, Seite 323: 
Käufer der Zumbahlen - Stelle  ist Johann Bernard Wulfert, verheiratet mit Anna Maria Bergtholke, Vollerbin der  Bergtholken Stelle in Essen Bevern. Sie war in erster Ehe mit dem Zeller Herm Heinrich Germann,  aus Lüsche 
verheiratet. Später erbte ihr Sohn Bernhard Germann  die ehemalige Zumbahlenstelle. 

the children on the ship are:
1.ZUMBAHLEN, Bernardina, r-kath. 
1823-04-02  in Dinklage - 
2.ZUMBAHLEN, Anna Maria Catharina Elisabeth Agnes, r-kath. 
1826-01-17  in Dinklage - 
Zumbahlen Anna Maria Catharina Elisabeth Agnes 
3.ZUMBAHLEN, Catharina Carolina, r-kath. 
1828-04-29  in Dinklage 5. Kind 
4.ZUMBAHLEN, Herman Henrich, r-kath. 
1821-07-26  in Dinklage - 
5.ZUMBAHLEN, Heinrich, r-kath. 
1831-03-30  in Dinklage Zwilling 
There are  some more children , but I don't have them yet

Frank Kröger


Re: [OL] ZUMBAHLEN

Date: 2007/02/26 17:42:13
From: Becky Koelling <beckykoelling(a)charter.net>

Thank you, Frank.

I would be interested in your project. What kind of information are you looking for?

Becky


On Feb 26, 2007, at 10:36 AM, galagen(a)arcor.de wrote:

Hello Becky and Werner
In addition to Clemens Heitmannn I have the following family. Heitmann writes That Werneke Zumbahlen had no children, but hee sold the farm and went to Amerika to.

ZUMBAHLEN, Werner, r-kath.
19.02.1785  in Dinklage St.Cath.
              ELT: Werner zum Bahlen, Anna Catharina Seelhorst
PATEN:Johan Henrich zum Bahlen, Elisabet Blomer, Jan Henrich Seelhorst
ZUMBAHLEN, Wernke, Zeller, Wohnort 1833 in Bahlen, ~ in Dinklage
Weiteres ... Auswanderungsziel 1833 in Amerika, Auswanderung 1833 nach Amt Steinfeld Verzeichnis der
ausgewanderten Personen
Bemerkungen: Zusammen mit Frau und 5 Kindern, 11,9,7,5 u. 3, ausgewandert, die nicht namentlich genannt
werden. Nahm 1100 Taler mit sich.

Abschrift der Passagierliste der  Brunswick vom 17.10.1833
20 Bahlen, Bernhardine F 9 Dinklage Baltimore 22 Bahlen, Caroline F 4 Dinklage Baltimore 19 Bahlen, Elisabeth F 37 Dinklage Baltimore 24 Bahlen, Henry M 2 Dinklage Baltimore 23 Bahlen, Herm. Henry M 11 Dinklage Baltimore 21 Bahlen, Marjanne F 7 Dinklage Baltimore 18 Bahlen, Warnkezum M 48 Farmer Dinklage Baltimore

nach Clemens Bröring, Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien, Seite 323:
Käufer der Zumbahlen - Stelle ist Johann Bernard Wulfert, verheiratet mit Anna Maria Bergtholke, Vollerbin der Bergtholken Stelle in Essen Bevern. Sie war in erster Ehe mit dem Zeller Herm Heinrich Germann, aus Lüsche verheiratet. Später erbte ihr Sohn Bernhard Germann die ehemalige Zumbahlenstelle.

the children on the ship are:
1.ZUMBAHLEN, Bernardina, r-kath.
1823-04-02  in Dinklage -
2.ZUMBAHLEN, Anna Maria Catharina Elisabeth Agnes, r-kath.
1826-01-17  in Dinklage -
Zumbahlen Anna Maria Catharina Elisabeth Agnes
3.ZUMBAHLEN, Catharina Carolina, r-kath.
1828-04-29  in Dinklage 5. Kind
4.ZUMBAHLEN, Herman Henrich, r-kath.
1821-07-26  in Dinklage -
5.ZUMBAHLEN, Heinrich, r-kath.
1831-03-30  in Dinklage Zwilling
There are  some more children , but I don't have them yet

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[OL] Herman Henry Lücken

Date: 2007/02/26 20:50:43
From: Joyce <jo(a)oetjens.org>

Hello. . .

I am looking to learn if anyone knows if Herman Henry Lücken was married (his wife's name too if possible)  and had children; particularly a child named Joseph Lücken born around 1825.

Herman Henry was born Jun 1785, in Angelbeck, Oldenburg, Germany. (his parents were Johann Gerhard Lücken (born 1724 and Anna Maria Catharina Hencken (born 1724).

Any assistance would be most appreciated.

Joyce Oetjens

Re: [OL] Seeking ancestors/relatives DAMME ENNEKINGs

Date: 2007/02/26 21:35:29
From: Kim Muhlenkamp <kimberlykremer(a)hotmail.com>

Sorry for the delayed response. I have in my files a Herman Bruggenschmidt who married a Adelheid Mohrkramer. They had a son John Henry Bruggenschmidt born Oct. 1688 in Neuenkirchen, Oldenburg, died March 1725 same place. He married an Anna Margaret Brickwedde on 19 May 1718 in Neuenkirchen. She died 21 Jan 1762, same place. They had a daughter Catharina Elisabeth Bruggenschmidt born May 1722 who died 5 Nov 1790, same place. She married a John Jacob Meyer on 17 Nov 1748 in Neuenkirchen. He was born Apr 1729 and died 11 Sep 1798, same place. The name Bruggenschmidt stops there, as the daughter was a Anna Marie Meyer. Not sure if all of this is of relation, but maybe the dates or names will spark something.
Let me know if I can be of further help.
Kim Muhlenkamp,
Mercer County, Ohio


From: "PAUL BRUGGENSCHMIDT" <paul5510(a)bellsouth.net>
Reply-To: Oldenburg-L <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [OL] Seeking ancestors/relatives DAMME ENNEKINGs
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:04:42 -0500

Seeking ancestors/relatives DAMME ENNEKINGs





Bernard Joseph Brüggenschmidt

1. Johan Bernard Enneking jetzt (now called) Brüggenschmidt married 19.Jan.1820 Damme to Anna Maria Brüggenschmidt Kötter in Damme

2. Bernard Joseph Brüggenschmidt (7th child male) was born on 13 Jan 1832 (possible heir of cottage) married 15 May 1856 Maria Elisabeth Engel Wüpker or Kübker born 23 Mar 1827.

3. Bernard Joseph Bruggenschmidt was born 13 Dec 1863 to Bernard Joseph Brüggenschmidt and Maria Elisabeth Engel Wüpker. The church books from St. Victor Church in Damme list married on 26 Nov 1891 and died 4 Nov 1950





                                              1950 Obituary
Jesus Christ, the shepherd of all souls, called tonight at 22.45 h, his servant, our good father, father-in-law, grandfather, great-grandfather, brother-in-law and uncle,

Farmer

Josef Enneking

To his eternity.

His life was work and effort, his way of life was really Christian and religious, his heart full of kindness, his courage indestructible. He gained the strength to bear the infirmity of old age and the last days of illness from the salvation springs of our catholic religion.

He died after receiving the last sacraments in dignity in the 87th year of his life peacefully in the Lord.

We ask for a devout prayer for our dear deceased

Family Enneking and relatives

Rottinghausen, Holdorf, Schemde, Fulda, Borringhausen, Osterdamme, Schwege-Hunteburg und Stockum, 4th November 1950.

The funeral will take place on Thursday, the 9th November 1950, at 9.30 in the morning, in Damme."





Unfortunately there was no address or other names given. I know now that he took the name Enneking again and that there are living descendants. All ideas, theories and actual information appreciated.

Thanks Paul     paul5510(a)bellsouth.net
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Re: [OL] Zumbahlen

Date: 2007/02/26 22:26:49
From: Doug Fricke <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com>

Herr Kröger,
 
Yes, your project would be valuable to present day families on both sides of the Atlantic.
My family names from Dinklage area: Themann, Kenkel, Zumbahlen, Espelage, Sehlhorst, Dieckstal, König
 
Thanks
 
Doug Fricke in Indiana



> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:28:15 +0100> From: galagen(a)arcor.de> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [OL] Zumbahlen> > Hello Becky, Doug and others,> short time ago i have started a projekt about The emigrants from Dinklage. The purpose of this projekt is to find out how many persons left Dinklage, where they have gone and where they have descandents. If this can be completeted with personal storys of the emigrants it would be great.> I compare passengerlists with the results of the church records (not treated on my own) and other sources.> I would like to share information about any emigrant from Dinklage.In case of the > ZUMBAHLEN family I don't have any information about the described person, but there are many ZUMBAHLENS from Dinklage emigrated to the US.> The ZUMBAHlEN farm in Dinklage, Bahlen has been sold by Werneke ZUMBAHLEN in 1833. > This farm is the origin of all ZUMBAHLENS. > If you like to work together you can also reach me under galagen(a)arcor.de.> > Frank Kröger Dinklage> Oldenburg-L mailing list> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l

[OL] Koors, Kors, Cors, Kohrs

Date: 2007/02/27 06:04:43
From: TJ <go360racing(a)sc.rr.com>

I am looking for information regarding the Koors family from Oldenburg. They
may be spelled in a variety of ways but Koors is what I am interested in.
Probably John Koors, born early 1800's.

 

 

Thanks so much.

 

Kim Koors


[OL] Herman Henry Lücken

Date: 2007/02/27 13:40:41
From: Joyce <jo(a)oetjens.org>

Please see the corrected last name, I did not realize I did not have the full name.

This is in regards to Message 3 from Mon, 26 Feb 2007

Thank you.
Joyce Oetjens

Re: [OL] Herman Henry Lücken

Date: 2007/02/27 13:50:40
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Joyce,

Angelbeck is a part of parish Löningen (or Loeningen). Therefore you should check the microfilms of the parish Löningen by a LDS center (Mormon) in your area.

Good luck,
Werner Honkomp


> Hello. . .

> I am looking to learn if anyone knows if Herman Henry Lücken was married
> (his wife's name too if possible)  and had children; particularly a child
> named Joseph Lücken born around 1825.

> Herman Henry was born Jun 1785, in Angelbeck, Oldenburg, Germany. (his
> parents were Johann Gerhard Lücken (born 1724 and Anna Maria Catharina
> Hencken (born 1724).

> Any assistance would be most appreciated.

> Joyce Oetjens
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l



Re: [OL] OLBERDING, KRAMER & MEIER

Date: 2007/02/27 14:00:19
From: Doug Westerhaus <dwesterhaus(a)everestkc.net>

I am wondering if anyone has information about an AGNES MEIER who died
around 1858 and who was married to JOSEPH JOHN HENRY OLBERDING (coming
possibly from around Steinfeld)?  JJHO was my 2nd Great Grandfather.  I
think AM & JJH0 were married in about 1847 and had 3 daughters, WILHELMINE
FRANCES, CAROLINE (my great-grandmother - 12/25/1850 to 6/20/1925) and
HELENE. JJHO remarried after the death of AM, to CATHERINA J. KRAMER.  I
would also be interested in information anyone might have about CJK, and
about the parents of JJHO.


Re: [OL] ZUMBAHLEN

Date: 2007/02/27 14:45:20
From: David <dahht(a)watchtv.net>

I have record of one Zumbahlen in the Ohio Münsterland:
       Heinrich Johann zum Bahlen
           *     c.1820
           +    21 July 1850   Minster, Ohio
           He was not married, and appears in the 1850 Census as a laborer.

Thanks, Fr. David Hoying


----- Original Message ----- From: <galagen(a)arcor.de>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: [OL] ZUMBAHLEN


Hello Becky and Werner
In addition to Clemens Heitmannn I have the following family. Heitmann writes That Werneke Zumbahlen had no children, but hee sold the farm and went to Amerika to.

ZUMBAHLEN, Werner, r-kath.
19.02.1785  in Dinklage St.Cath.
             ELT: Werner zum Bahlen, Anna Catharina Seelhorst
PATEN:Johan Henrich zum Bahlen, Elisabet Blomer, Jan Henrich Seelhorst
ZUMBAHLEN, Wernke, Zeller, Wohnort 1833 in Bahlen, ~ in Dinklage
Weiteres ... Auswanderungsziel 1833 in Amerika, Auswanderung 1833 nach Amt Steinfeld Verzeichnis der
ausgewanderten Personen
Bemerkungen: Zusammen mit Frau und 5 Kindern, 11,9,7,5 u. 3, ausgewandert, die nicht namentlich genannt
werden. Nahm 1100 Taler mit sich.

Abschrift der Passagierliste der  Brunswick vom 17.10.1833
20 Bahlen, Bernhardine F 9 Dinklage Baltimore 22 Bahlen, Caroline F 4 Dinklage Baltimore 19 Bahlen, Elisabeth F 37 Dinklage Baltimore 24 Bahlen, Henry M 2 Dinklage Baltimore 23 Bahlen, Herm. Henry M 11 Dinklage Baltimore 21 Bahlen, Marjanne F 7 Dinklage Baltimore 18 Bahlen, Warnkezum M 48 Farmer Dinklage Baltimore

nach Clemens Bröring, Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien, Seite 323:
Käufer der Zumbahlen - Stelle ist Johann Bernard Wulfert, verheiratet mit Anna Maria Bergtholke, Vollerbin der Bergtholken Stelle in Essen Bevern. Sie war in erster Ehe mit dem Zeller Herm Heinrich Germann, aus Lüsche verheiratet. Später erbte ihr Sohn Bernhard Germann die ehemalige Zumbahlenstelle.

the children on the ship are:
1.ZUMBAHLEN, Bernardina, r-kath.
1823-04-02  in Dinklage -
2.ZUMBAHLEN, Anna Maria Catharina Elisabeth Agnes, r-kath.
1826-01-17  in Dinklage -
Zumbahlen Anna Maria Catharina Elisabeth Agnes
3.ZUMBAHLEN, Catharina Carolina, r-kath.
1828-04-29  in Dinklage 5. Kind
4.ZUMBAHLEN, Herman Henrich, r-kath.
1821-07-26  in Dinklage -
5.ZUMBAHLEN, Heinrich, r-kath.
1831-03-30  in Dinklage Zwilling
There are  some more children , but I don't have them yet

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Re: [OL] OLBERDING, KRAMER & MEIER

Date: 2007/02/27 22:15:39
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Doug,
Johann Henrich Olberding married on 25.Oct.1848 in Steinfeld to Maria Agnes Meyer, widow of Henrich Arnd Kramer.
I think this is yours,
Werner Honkomp

> I am wondering if anyone has information about an AGNES MEIER who died
> around 1858 and who was married to JOSEPH JOHN HENRY OLBERDING (coming
> possibly from around Steinfeld)?  JJHO was my 2nd Great Grandfather.  I
> think AM & JJH0 were married in about 1847 and had 3 daughters, WILHELMINE
> FRANCES, CAROLINE (my great-grandmother - 12/25/1850 to 6/20/1925) and
> HELENE. JJHO remarried after the death of AM, to CATHERINA J. KRAMER.  I
> would also be interested in information anyone might have about CJK, and
> about the parents of JJHO.

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Re: [OL] Herman Henry Lücken

Date: 2007/02/28 11:16:06
From: betty . krull <betty.krull(a)freenet.de>

Joyce,
Herman Heinrich lüken  born 18-6-1785 married 18-8-1812 Phenena Maria Winkeler
I found only two children 26-7-1816 Johann Gerd and 25-1-1827 Maria Adelheid. 
Til 1830 no more other children!!(but there where several on readable pages)
Greetings Betty Krull
----- original Nachricht --------

Betreff: [OL] Herman Henry Lücken
Gesendet: Mo 26 Feb 2007 20:51:04 CET
Von: "Joyce"<jo(a)oetjens.org>

> Hello. . .
> 
> I am looking to learn if anyone knows if Herman Henry Lücken was married
> (his wife's name too if possible)  and had children; particularly a child
> named Joseph Lücken born around 1825.
> 
> Herman Henry was born Jun 1785, in Angelbeck, Oldenburg, Germany. (his
> parents were Johann Gerhard Lücken (born 1724 and Anna Maria Catharina
> Hencken (born 1724).
> 
> Any assistance would be most appreciated.
> 
> Joyce Oetjens
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> 

--- original Nachricht Ende ----


[OL] Herman Henry Lücken

Date: 2007/02/28 19:53:00
From: Joyce <jo(a)oetjens.org>

Hello Werner,

Thank you for responding to my query.  Yes I know well about looking at films at the LDS center.  I just spent all morning there yesterday, and am fortunate it is so close to my home.

The reason I wrote the query was, I hoped someone would know of the family or would have access to census records. They are very beneficial in the States.

Again, thank you for your time.

Joyce Oetjens

[OL] Herman Heinrich Lücken

Date: 2007/02/28 20:46:51
From: Joyce <jo(a)oetjens.org>

Betty,

Thank you once again for your assistance with the genealogy.  The information you sent will be added to my husband's Lücken family tree.

I will write a separate e-mail to you to catch up with things.

My very best wishes,
Joyce Oetjens