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[OL]Migrations from Germany to U.S.A in the past.

Date: 2001/08/01 18:48:58
From: Geneviève Devigne <genevieve.devigne(a)free.fr>

My name is Simon Bob GLAUBERG. I was born in Frankfurt and my family was from Langenselbold and Gelnhausen : 2 villages not far from Frankfurt.

I have already family in U.S.A, but I know that other ones have left Germany for U.S.A. on differnet dates.

Have read with interest y/"Passenger List - Burgermeister Smidt, Oct 25,1834" It contains names of emigrated people from Germany to the U.S.A., but I suppose that other similar lists exist. Have you such lists ? or could you give us some recommendations to find them ?

Some GLAUBERG emigrated from 1840 to 1920  or more
Some JOSEPH (family name) from 1869 and after. Specialy one :

Feist or Fred JOSEPH who left HAMBURG about on october 5th 1869. He was the father of my grandmother.

Could you help me ? and specially with the GLAUBERG's

(In the list of the "Burgermeister Smidt" were some people from Glauberg. But this is the name of a village from which my ancestors have chosed the name.)

In advance, thanks a lot for y/help

Bob GLAUBERG


[OL]Re: Oldenburg-L digest, Vol 1 #450 - 3 msgs Soldiers information

Date: 2001/08/01 20:16:39
From: RMoore5986 <RMoore5986(a)aol.com>

I am new to this mailing list, and I am not aware of the article concerning 
information on the soldiers of the Vestrup, Emstek, Cloppenburg, Cappeln , 
etc., area.  I would like to find out more about the military in that area.  
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might find this information.  
Are there lists of the soldiers? 
Researching in Emstek, Vestrup, Cappeln, Cloppenburg area.  The names I am 
researching are, SCHWEPE, LANGE, SIEMER, and DETERS.   
Thank you,
R.Moore


[OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/08/01 21:00:47
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Ich erinneren mich das ich im januari etwas über Napoleon im Oldenburg gelezen hatte. Ich habe die genaue antworte nich mehr.
War Napoleon wirklich  im Oldenburg und gab da eine fransözische Besetzungmacht in Oldenburg?


[OL]Weberstedt

Date: 2001/08/01 21:48:41
From: Ulrich1Finke <Ulrich1Finke(a)aol.com>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
bei der Suche nach "Weberstedt" fand ich einen Bericht ind dem 
fälschlicherwese von "Bad Weberstedt" die Rede ist. Bad Tennstedt ist richtig.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Ulrich Finke


[OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/02 04:25:12
From: Jerry M. Schroy <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>

I am searching for any information on Ferdinand Mayrose or Meyrose and his
family.  He came to the United States in May of 1844 with his mother Maria
Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister Agnes and brother Franz.
I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry.  At least that is what it
looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but it was hard to read.

Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His obituary said that he was 85
years and seventeen days old when he died on November 17, 1914.  So that
would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or somewhere close to that.  He
also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the same boat as Ferdinand
and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't found evidence of his father
coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother John shows up on the census with
him.  But I have never found John anywhere else, so don't know where he came
from.  John would have been born around 1837 as he is 43 in 1880.

Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the passenger list as coming
from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being from Oldenburg.

Any information that anyone might have would be helpful.

Thanks a lot!

B.


Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/02 06:21:31
From: Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net>

My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from Damme to Cincinnati in the
1870's.  His father Johann Gerhard Christopher Meyerose was born in
Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854.  Where did your Meyrose's
settle in the USA?  The FHC Damme films may have the answers.  I also know
that there were Puthoff's in Damme.

Lee Mairose
Cincinnati, Ohio


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM
Subject: [OL]Meyrose


> I am searching for any information on Ferdinand Mayrose or Meyrose and his
> family.  He came to the United States in May of 1844 with his mother Maria
> Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister Agnes and brother
Franz.
> I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry.  At least that is what
it
> looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but it was hard to read.
>
> Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His obituary said that he was 85
> years and seventeen days old when he died on November 17, 1914.  So that
> would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or somewhere close to that.  He
> also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the same boat as Ferdinand
> and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't found evidence of his father
> coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother John shows up on the census
with
> him.  But I have never found John anywhere else, so don't know where he
came
> from.  John would have been born around 1837 as he is 43 in 1880.
>
> Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the passenger list as coming
> from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being from Oldenburg.
>
> Any information that anyone might have would be helpful.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> B.
>
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>



Re: [OL]Weberstedt

Date: 2001/08/02 06:23:28
From: Dee Turner <deeturn(a)home.com>

Can someone translate this message into English?  I am interested in knowing
the relationship of Bad Tennstedt to Bad Weberstedt, having both locations
for my Saxony ancestors.

Thank you so much,
Dee
----- Original Message -----
From: <Ulrich1Finke(a)aol.com>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:48 PM
Subject: [OL]Weberstedt


Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
bei der Suche nach "Weberstedt" fand ich einen Bericht ind dem
fälschlicherwese von "Bad Weberstedt" die Rede ist. Bad Tennstedt ist
richtig.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Ulrich Finke

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Re: [OL]Weberstedt

Date: 2001/08/02 09:56:10
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hello Dee,

Dee Turner wrote:
> Can someone translate this message into English?  

> ----- Original Message -----
> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> bei der Suche nach "Weberstedt" fand ich einen Bericht ind dem
> fälschlicherwese von "Bad Weberstedt" die Rede ist. Bad Tennstedt ist
> richtig.
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen

free english translation:
| Dear Madams and Sirs,
| at my search for "Weberstedt" I discovered a message in which 
| misleadingly addresses a "Bad Weberstedt". Bad Tennstedt is 
| correct.
| With kind regards

He tells that the place isn't called "Bad Weberstedt" but
"Weberstedt". The town nearby is "Bad Tennstedt".

Regards

Juergen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38100 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany



Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/02 14:57:42
From: Barbara Schroy <baschr(a)yahoo.com>

Part of my Meyrose family came to the United States in
1844.  There were Puthoffs that came over with them. 
They originally went to Cincinnati as I found them in
the 1850 Census there.  But my grandfather, Ferdinand
was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death in
1914.

Thanks

Barb
--- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote:
> My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from
> Damme to Cincinnati in the
> 1870's.  His father Johann Gerhard Christopher
> Meyerose was born in
> Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854.  Where
> did your Meyrose's
> settle in the USA?  The FHC Damme films may have the
> answers.  I also know
> that there were Puthoff's in Damme.
> 
> Lee Mairose
> Cincinnati, Ohio
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>
> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM
> Subject: [OL]Meyrose
> 
> 
> > I am searching for any information on Ferdinand
> Mayrose or Meyrose and his
> > family.  He came to the United States in May of
> 1844 with his mother Maria
> > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister
> Agnes and brother
> Franz.
> > I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry.
>  At least that is what
> it
> > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but
> it was hard to read.
> >
> > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His
> obituary said that he was 85
> > years and seventeen days old when he died on
> November 17, 1914.  So that
> > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or
> somewhere close to that.  He
> > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the
> same boat as Ferdinand
> > and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't found
> evidence of his father
> > coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother John
> shows up on the census
> with
> > him.  But I have never found John anywhere else,
> so don't know where he
> came
> > from.  John would have been born around 1837 as he
> is 43 in 1880.
> >
> > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the
> passenger list as coming
> > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being
> from Oldenburg.
> >
> > Any information that anyone might have would be
> helpful.
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > B.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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> >
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Re: [OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/08/02 15:42:01
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 1 Aug 2001, at 20:52, Paul Rowold wrote:

> Ich erinneren mich das ich im januari etwas über Napoleon im Oldenburg
> gelezen hatte. Ich habe die genaue antworte nich mehr. War Napoleon
> wirklich  im Oldenburg und gab da eine fransözische Besetzungmacht in
> Oldenburg?

Ob Napoleon selbst in Oldenburg war weiss ich nicht. Ich denke
aber nein. Die ganze Ssache war mehr eine direkte
Landesübername indem der Herzog abzog und seine Soldaten
entlassen hatte. Die Franzosen übernamen einfach alles.

Fred





Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/03 01:15:07
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Barb,

I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside Damme on October 23, 1829.  
He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829 in Damme, as the son of 
Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff.  The godparents were 
listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer.  

I have never been able to figure out the difference between the "Levans" and 
the "As?".  Also, I usually see two people listed as the As?, but there was 
only one in Ferdinand's entry.  The family is listed as living in Ottings 
Liebzucht.

You can find all this information, and presumably the other siblings in the 
microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family History Center.

I hope this helps.

Don


In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com 
writes:


> Part of my Meyrose family came to the United States in
> 1844.  There were Puthoffs that came over with them. 
> They originally went to Cincinnati as I found them in
> the 1850 Census there.  But my grandfather, Ferdinand
> was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death in
> 1914.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Barb
> --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote:
> > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from
> > Damme to Cincinnati in the
> > 1870's.  His father Johann Gerhard Christopher
> > Meyerose was born in
> > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854.  Where
> > did your Meyrose's
> > settle in the USA?  The FHC Damme films may have the
> > answers.  I also know
> > that there were Puthoff's in Damme.
> > 
> > Lee Mairose
> > Cincinnati, Ohio
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>
> > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM
> > Subject: [OL]Meyrose
> > 
> > 
> > > I am searching for any information on Ferdinand
> > Mayrose or Meyrose and his
> > > family.  He came to the United States in May of
> > 1844 with his mother Maria
> > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister
> > Agnes and brother
> > Franz.
> > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry.
> >  At least that is what
> > it
> > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but
> > it was hard to read.
> > >
> > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His
> > obituary said that he was 85
> > > years and seventeen days old when he died on
> > November 17, 1914.  So that
> > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or
> > somewhere close to that.  He
> > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the
> > same boat as Ferdinand
> > > and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't found
> > evidence of his father
> > > coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother John
> > shows up on the census
> > with
> > > him.  But I have never found John anywhere else,
> > so don't know where he
> > came
> > > from.  John would have been born around 1837 as he
> > is 43 in 1880.
> > >
> > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the
> > passenger list as coming
> > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being
> > from Oldenburg.
> > >
> > > Any information that anyone might have would be
> > helpful.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot!
> > >
> > > B.
> > >
> 




[OL]Friederici Familiengeschichtsforschung

Date: 2001/08/03 13:01:00
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>

Familiengeschichtsforschung Friederici / Friderici / von Friederici  (English see below)

Der Familienname Friederici / Friderici ist ein latinisierter Name ausgehend vom Namen Friedrich / Friederich. So treten im deutschen Sprachgebiet, beginnend mit dem 16. Jahrhundert, etwa 20 größere Familien Friederici auf, über die sich interessante Stammtafeln aufstellen lassen. Ich bearbeite derzeit diese "Stammtafeln Friederici". Dieses war stets mein Hobby und ist also eine nicht kommerzielle Tätigkeit. Gerne kann ich auf Anfrage eine nähere Auskunft über meine Arbeiten geben. Eine Tafel mit 20 Stammvätern Friederici nebst einigen Daten und die jeweilige Stammheimat sind auf der Homepage aufgeführt (siehe http://www.friederici.de)

1. Wer kann Namensträger vom 17.-19. Jh. mitteilen ? 

2. Wer kennt Auswanderer in der Familie nach USA, Canada und Übersee ?

3. Wer hat den Namen Fri(e)derici in seiner Ahnenliste ?

4. Wer kenn Auswanderer nach Stockholm und Göteborg im 17. Jh ?

e-mail: georg(a)friederici.de  oder  georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net 


Es sind im Raum Ostpreußen (Memel, Bartenstein, Tilsit), Westpreußen (Danzig), sowie auch in Brandenburg, Sachsen, Thüringen und Niederschlesien (Rawitsch) noch einige Lücken zu schließen.




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Friederici / Friderici / von Friederici family history research

The family name Friederici / Friderici is a latinized name coming from the
name Friedrich / Friederich. Beginning in the 16th century about 20 larger
families appear in the German speaking areas, from which interesting family
trees can be developed. I am currently working on these "Friederici family
trees". This was always my hobby and is not a commercial activity. On
request I would gladly give more detailed information on my work. You can
find a table with 20 heads of Friederici families, with dates and places on
the homepage at http://www.friederici.de

1. Who knows any of this name in the 17th -19th century ?

2. Who knows any emingrants of this family to the USA, Canada and oversees?

3. Who has the name Fri(e)derici in his list of ancestors?

4. Who knows any emingrants to Stockholm and Göteborg in the 17th century ?

e-mail: georg(a)friederici.de or georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net



Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/03 15:25:17
From: Barbara Schroy <baschr(a)yahoo.com>

Don,

Thank you so much for the information.  It sounds like
I need to find the Damme microfilm at the FHC.  The
problem is that it is going to be in German and hard
to read.  But I have the same problem here with some
of the old church files.

I have a question.  Do you know what the "Levans" and
the "As?" means?  I don't have a clue.

Thank you for your help.

Barb


--- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:
> Barb,
> 
> I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside
> Damme on October 23, 1829.  
> He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829
> in Damme, as the son of 
> Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff. 
> The godparents were 
> listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and
> "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer.  
> 
> I have never been able to figure out the difference
> between the "Levans" and 
> the "As?".  Also, I usually see two people listed as
> the As?, but there was 
> only one in Ferdinand's entry.  The family is listed
> as living in Ottings 
> Liebzucht.
> 
> You can find all this information, and presumably
> the other siblings in the 
> microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family
> History Center.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com 
> writes:
> 
> 
> > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United
> States in
> > 1844.  There were Puthoffs that came over with
> them. 
> > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found them
> in
> > the 1850 Census there.  But my grandfather,
> Ferdinand
> > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death in
> > 1914.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Barb
> > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote:
> > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from
> > > Damme to Cincinnati in the
> > > 1870's.  His father Johann Gerhard Christopher
> > > Meyerose was born in
> > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. 
> Where
> > > did your Meyrose's
> > > settle in the USA?  The FHC Damme films may have
> the
> > > answers.  I also know
> > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme.
> > > 
> > > Lee Mairose
> > > Cincinnati, Ohio
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>
> > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM
> > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I am searching for any information on
> Ferdinand
> > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his
> > > > family.  He came to the United States in May
> of
> > > 1844 with his mother Maria
> > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his
> sister
> > > Agnes and brother
> > > Franz.
> > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard
> Henry.
> > >  At least that is what
> > > it
> > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application
> but
> > > it was hard to read.
> > > >
> > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His
> > > obituary said that he was 85
> > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on
> > > November 17, 1914.  So that
> > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or
> > > somewhere close to that.  He
> > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on
> the
> > > same boat as Ferdinand
> > > > and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't
> found
> > > evidence of his father
> > > > coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother
> John
> > > shows up on the census
> > > with
> > > > him.  But I have never found John anywhere
> else,
> > > so don't know where he
> > > came
> > > > from.  John would have been born around 1837
> as he
> > > is 43 in 1880.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on
> the
> > > passenger list as coming
> > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being
> > > from Oldenburg.
> > > >
> > > > Any information that anyone might have would
> be
> > > helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot!
> > > >
> > > > B.
> > > >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/03 16:16:15
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Barb,

"Levans" means a Godparent (baptismal sponsor) according to my dictionary, and the "As?" abbreviated word (I think) also means Godparent.  I think I knew what the whole word "As?" was at one time, but I can't remember now.  There must have some distinction between the two.  When both of these words are present, I have noticed that there is always one Levans, and there may be one or two of the others.  In the past, I think that I also noted that the "Levans" person's name was often, but not always, in the child's name.

Maybe one of the local Oldenburgers on the list can tell us the difference (and what the whole word for "As?" is).

Don


Re: [OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/08/03 23:28:36
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Dank Fred

I received this information:


Hallo Paul
Ja, Napoleon war in Oldenburg und es gab eine französische Besetzungsmacht.
1810-1815 unterstand Oldenburg dem Departement Bremen.
Hier ein Auszug aus dem Brief vom Januar :Bis 1810 gab es ein kleines,
nennen wir es Repräsentationsheer, die
sogenannte Knobelgarde. Sie bestand aus einem einzigen Infanteriecorps und
hatte vor allen Dingen die Aufgabe, den Herzog auf seinen Reisen durchs Land
zu begleiten, die Stadt zu bewachen und militärische Präsenz zu zeigen.
Aufgelöst wurde das Oldenburgische Heer vom Herzog einen Tag vor dem Einzug
der napoleonischen Truppen. Die Soldaten ordentlich entlassen, die Offiziere
aufgefordert, sich mit dem Herzog in Petersburg zu treffen. Nun begann die
Zeit der Franzosenherrschaft, die in Oldenburg bis ca 1813 dauerte und für
die Administration und die Organisation der Stadt große Folgen haben sollte.
Während bisher das Heer überwiegend aus Berufssoldaten und Freiwilligen
bestand, wurde unter der napoleonischen Herrschaft, die männliche
Bevölkerung systematisch erfaßt und zu gegebener Zeit zum Militärdienst
einberufen. In den Akten der Mairie, die im Stadtarchiv liegen, tauchen
erstmals Hinweise auf so genannte Stellvertreter auf. Dies waren
Berufssoldaten, die sich von den Bürgern bezahlen ließen, damit die Söhne
nicht zum Militär mußten. Das war ein durchaus rechtmäßiges Verfahren, was
sich aber nur Leute leisten konnten, die genügend Geld hatten, was bei der
überwiegenden Mehrheit der Bevölkerung aber nicht der Fall war. Alle anderen
mußten ihren Militärdienst selbst ableisten. Dies wurde in er Regel auch
ausgeführt, zumal sich die Disziplin unter der neuen Herrschaft deutlich
verbesserte und damit auch der Ruf der Soldaten. Immerhin war es aber doch
so, daß sich " anständige Damen nicht von ihm (einem Soldaten auf dem
Spaziergang) führen lassen"  Ich habe in den Akten trotz allem nur sehr
wenige Desertionen gefunden. Eine Reihe von diesen sind offensichtlich mit
Deckung der Familie untergetaucht und einige wenige offensichtlich
ausgewandert.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid Heine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Rump" <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: donderdag 2 augustus 2001 16:40
Subject: Re: [OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg


On 1 Aug 2001, at 20:52, Paul Rowold wrote:

> Ich erinneren mich das ich im januari etwas über Napoleon im Oldenburg
> gelezen hatte. Ich habe die genaue antworte nich mehr. War Napoleon
> wirklich  im Oldenburg und gab da eine fransözische Besetzungmacht in
> Oldenburg?

Ob Napoleon selbst in Oldenburg war weiss ich nicht. Ich denke
aber nein. Die ganze Ssache war mehr eine direkte
Landesübername indem der Herzog abzog und seine Soldaten
entlassen hatte. Die Franzosen übernamen einfach alles.

Fred




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[OL]Ich suche Fick-ahnen

Date: 2001/08/03 23:37:55
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>

Ich suche Wilhelm Johann Anton Fick er ist am 3.11.1901in Süssau geboren,
sein vater war Wilhelm Johann Christian Fick, geboren am 1.3. 1871
verheiratet mit Pauline M. Krabbenhöft, sie ist am 29.9. 1869 geboren.
Verheiratet 6.2. 1895.
Die familie ist 1917 nach Sleswig umgezogen, und ist in Dänemark nach 1920
geblieben. 
 


[OL]citations

Date: 2001/08/04 02:35:16
From: Jean-Claude Billon <jean-claude.billon(a)tnn.ap-hop-paris.fr>

http://www.gilles-jobin.org/citations/index.php?page=accueil



Re: [OL]Ich suche Fick-ahnen

Date: 2001/08/04 11:27:44
From: hschlutow <HSchlutow(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Ester Fick,

Ester Fick schrieb:
> Ich suche Wilhelm Johann Anton Fick er ist am 3.11.1901in Süssau geboren,
> sein vater war Wilhelm Johann Christian Fick, geboren am 1.3. 1871
> verheiratet mit Pauline M. Krabbenhöft, sie ist am 29.9. 1869 geboren.
> Verheiratet 6.2. 1895.
> Die familie ist 1917 nach Sleswig umgezogen, und ist in Dänemark nach 1920
> geblieben. 
>  

Du schriebst an die Oldenburg-Liste.
Sicher, in dem Bereich gibt es sicher auch Familien mit Namen Fick. 
Aber - ich glaube - dass sie dort eher "Ficken" heißen (siehe meine homepage 
unten; ich habe in meiner Ahnenliste 14 Personen "Ficken" aus dem Ammerland).
Doch, da Deine Vorfahren nach Schleswig gezogen sind, liegt es doch nahe, dass 
sie aus dem früheren Mecklenburg-Strelitz (Fürstentum Ratzeburg) bzw. heutigem 
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern kamen.
Deshalb meine Empfehlung:
   besuche doch mal die Web-Site 
                http://home.nexgo.de/ratzeburg/

Dort dann auf den button "Kirchspiele" klicken.
Dort dann auf den button "Herrnburg"; und dann auf den button "Namenslisten";
dann auf "Liste der Nachnamen".
Dort findest Du unter dem Namen "Fick" 126 (!) Einträge.

Vielleicht ist ja etwas für Dich dabei.
Viel Spaß.

Gruß
Heinz aus Bremerhaven

www.schlutow.de



Antw: Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/04 19:40:33
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

Hi 

Levans is the godfather who held the child over the baptismal font 
and Ass. - Assistens are the assistants, one or two who helped him

take a Latin dictionary as well, until 1803 they did not use much German in the catholic vital records

Greetings

Falk Liebezeit 

Diepholz 13 miles from Damme  

>>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 03.08.2001  15.25 Uhr >>>
Don,

Thank you so much for the information.  It sounds like
I need to find the Damme microfilm at the FHC.  The
problem is that it is going to be in German and hard
to read.  But I have the same problem here with some
of the old church files.

I have a question.  Do you know what the "Levans" and
the "As?" means?  I don't have a clue.

Thank you for your help.

Barb


--- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:
> Barb,
> 
> I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside
> Damme on October 23, 1829.  
> He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829
> in Damme, as the son of 
> Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff. 
> The godparents were 
> listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and
> "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer.  
> 
> I have never been able to figure out the difference
> between the "Levans" and 
> the "As?".  Also, I usually see two people listed as
> the As?, but there was 
> only one in Ferdinand's entry.  The family is listed
> as living in Ottings 
> Liebzucht.
> 
> You can find all this information, and presumably
> the other siblings in the 
> microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family
> History Center.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com 
> writes:
> 
> 
> > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United
> States in
> > 1844.  There were Puthoffs that came over with
> them. 
> > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found them
> in
> > the 1850 Census there.  But my grandfather,
> Ferdinand
> > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death in
> > 1914.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Barb
> > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote:
> > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from
> > > Damme to Cincinnati in the
> > > 1870's.  His father Johann Gerhard Christopher
> > > Meyerose was born in
> > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. 
> Where
> > > did your Meyrose's
> > > settle in the USA?  The FHC Damme films may have
> the
> > > answers.  I also know
> > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme.
> > > 
> > > Lee Mairose
> > > Cincinnati, Ohio
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>
> > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM
> > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I am searching for any information on
> Ferdinand
> > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his
> > > > family.  He came to the United States in May
> of
> > > 1844 with his mother Maria
> > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his
> sister
> > > Agnes and brother
> > > Franz.
> > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard
> Henry.
> > >  At least that is what
> > > it
> > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application
> but
> > > it was hard to read.
> > > >
> > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His
> > > obituary said that he was 85
> > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on
> > > November 17, 1914.  So that
> > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or
> > > somewhere close to that.  He
> > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on
> the
> > > same boat as Ferdinand
> > > > and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't
> found
> > > evidence of his father
> > > > coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother
> John
> > > shows up on the census
> > > with
> > > > him.  But I have never found John anywhere
> else,
> > > so don't know where he
> > > came
> > > > from.  John would have been born around 1837
> as he
> > > is 43 in 1880.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on
> the
> > > passenger list as coming
> > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being
> > > from Oldenburg.
> > > >
> > > > Any information that anyone might have would
> be
> > > helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot!
> > > >
> > > > B.
> > > >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Antw: Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/04 21:51:46
From: Barbara Schroy <baschr(a)yahoo.com>

Hi

Thank you Falk.  I appreciate the help.  I have found
the church records in St. Louis to be sometimes in
Latin and sometimes in German.  It makes for
interesting reading.  I took four years of Latin eons
ago.  I'm afraid that I didn't retain much of it. 
Anyway, thank you again.

Barb


--- f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de, Falk Liebezeit
<f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de> wrote:
> Hi 
> 
> Levans is the godfather who held the child over the
> baptismal font 
> and Ass. - Assistens are the assistants, one or two
> who helped him
> 
> take a Latin dictionary as well, until 1803 they did
> not use much German in the catholic vital records
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Falk Liebezeit 
> 
> Diepholz 13 miles from Damme  
> 
> >>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 03.08.2001  15.25
> Uhr >>>
> Don,
> 
> Thank you so much for the information.  It sounds
> like
> I need to find the Damme microfilm at the FHC.  The
> problem is that it is going to be in German and hard
> to read.  But I have the same problem here with some
> of the old church files.
> 
> I have a question.  Do you know what the "Levans"
> and
> the "As?" means?  I don't have a clue.
> 
> Thank you for your help.
> 
> Barb
> 
> 
> --- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:
> > Barb,
> > 
> > I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside
> > Damme on October 23, 1829.  
> > He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829
> > in Damme, as the son of 
> > Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff.
> 
> > The godparents were 
> > listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and
> > "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer.  
> > 
> > I have never been able to figure out the
> difference
> > between the "Levans" and 
> > the "As?".  Also, I usually see two people listed
> as
> > the As?, but there was 
> > only one in Ferdinand's entry.  The family is
> listed
> > as living in Ottings 
> > Liebzucht.
> > 
> > You can find all this information, and presumably
> > the other siblings in the 
> > microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family
> > History Center.
> > 
> > I hope this helps.
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern
> > Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com 
> > writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United
> > States in
> > > 1844.  There were Puthoffs that came over with
> > them. 
> > > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found
> them
> > in
> > > the 1850 Census there.  But my grandfather,
> > Ferdinand
> > > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death
> in
> > > 1914.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Barb
> > > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote:
> > > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came
> from
> > > > Damme to Cincinnati in the
> > > > 1870's.  His father Johann Gerhard Christopher
> > > > Meyerose was born in
> > > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. 
> > Where
> > > > did your Meyrose's
> > > > settle in the USA?  The FHC Damme films may
> have
> > the
> > > > answers.  I also know
> > > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme.
> > > > 
> > > > Lee Mairose
> > > > Cincinnati, Ohio
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>
> > > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM
> > > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I am searching for any information on
> > Ferdinand
> > > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his
> > > > > family.  He came to the United States in May
> > of
> > > > 1844 with his mother Maria
> > > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his
> > sister
> > > > Agnes and brother
> > > > Franz.
> > > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard
> > Henry.
> > > >  At least that is what
> > > > it
> > > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage
> application
> > but
> > > > it was hard to read.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His
> > > > obituary said that he was 85
> > > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on
> > > > November 17, 1914.  So that
> > > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829
> or
> > > > somewhere close to that.  He
> > > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come
> on
> > the
> > > > same boat as Ferdinand
> > > > > and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't
> > found
> > > > evidence of his father
> > > > > coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother
> > John
> > > > shows up on the census
> > > > with
> > > > > him.  But I have never found John anywhere
> > else,
> > > > so don't know where he
> > > > came
> > > > > from.  John would have been born around 1837
> > as he
> > > > is 43 in 1880.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed
> on
> > the
> > > > passenger list as coming
> > > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him
> being
> > > > from Oldenburg.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any information that anyone might have would
> > be
> > > > helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks a lot!
> > > > >
> > > > > B.
> > > > >
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/04 22:18:14
From: kitt cooper <kittcooper(a)yahoo.com>

Barb, I am currently reading the church records from
Damme.  If I can look something up for you, I'll be
glad to help.  My e-mail address is
kittcooper(a)yahoo.com.
Kitt
--- Barbara Schroy <baschr(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don,
> 
> Thank you so much for the information.  It sounds
> like
> I need to find the Damme microfilm at the FHC.  The
> problem is that it is going to be in German and hard
> to read.  But I have the same problem here with some
> of the old church files.
> 
> I have a question.  Do you know what the "Levans"
> and
> the "As?" means?  I don't have a clue.
> 
> Thank you for your help.
> 
> Barb
> 
> 
> --- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:
> > Barb,
> > 
> > I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside
> > Damme on October 23, 1829.  
> > He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829
> > in Damme, as the son of 
> > Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff.
> 
> > The godparents were 
> > listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and
> > "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer.  
> > 
> > I have never been able to figure out the
> difference
> > between the "Levans" and 
> > the "As?".  Also, I usually see two people listed
> as
> > the As?, but there was 
> > only one in Ferdinand's entry.  The family is
> listed
> > as living in Ottings 
> > Liebzucht.
> > 
> > You can find all this information, and presumably
> > the other siblings in the 
> > microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family
> > History Center.
> > 
> > I hope this helps.
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern
> > Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com 
> > writes:
> > 
> > 
> > > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United
> > States in
> > > 1844.  There were Puthoffs that came over with
> > them. 
> > > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found
> them
> > in
> > > the 1850 Census there.  But my grandfather,
> > Ferdinand
> > > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death
> in
> > > 1914.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Barb
> > > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote:
> > > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came
> from
> > > > Damme to Cincinnati in the
> > > > 1870's.  His father Johann Gerhard Christopher
> > > > Meyerose was born in
> > > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. 
> > Where
> > > > did your Meyrose's
> > > > settle in the USA?  The FHC Damme films may
> have
> > the
> > > > answers.  I also know
> > > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme.
> > > > 
> > > > Lee Mairose
> > > > Cincinnati, Ohio
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>
> > > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM
> > > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > I am searching for any information on
> > Ferdinand
> > > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his
> > > > > family.  He came to the United States in May
> > of
> > > > 1844 with his mother Maria
> > > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his
> > sister
> > > > Agnes and brother
> > > > Franz.
> > > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard
> > Henry.
> > > >  At least that is what
> > > > it
> > > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage
> application
> > but
> > > > it was hard to read.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His
> > > > obituary said that he was 85
> > > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on
> > > > November 17, 1914.  So that
> > > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829
> or
> > > > somewhere close to that.  He
> > > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come
> on
> > the
> > > > same boat as Ferdinand
> > > > > and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't
> > found
> > > > evidence of his father
> > > > > coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother
> > John
> > > > shows up on the census
> > > > with
> > > > > him.  But I have never found John anywhere
> > else,
> > > > so don't know where he
> > > > came
> > > > > from.  John would have been born around 1837
> > as he
> > > > is 43 in 1880.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed
> on
> > the
> > > > passenger list as coming
> > > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him
> being
> > > > from Oldenburg.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any information that anyone might have would
> > be
> > > > helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks a lot!
> > > > >
> > > > > B.
> > > > >
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Date: 2001/08/05 03:41:37
From: Clementzdp <Clementzdp(a)aol.com>

 


Re: [OL]citations

Date: 2001/08/05 23:59:51
From: Jean-Claude Billon <jean-claude.billon(a)tnn.ap-hop-paris.fr>

I apologize. Wrong adress.
Jean-Claude Billon
 
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To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:32 AM
Subject: [OL]citations


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Re: [OL]Meyrose

Date: 2001/08/06 22:13:35
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

This from my website Damme-Auswanderung:

Meyerrose, Witwe mit 4 Kindern bei Kötter Otting  5 Personen 1843 Osterfeine
Meyrose, Berend      1 Person 1844 Damme
Meyrose, Heinrich bei Kolon Wellerding    1 Personen 1845 Osterdamme
Meyrose, Heuermann Gerhard mit 2 Kindern bei Kötter Bollers  3 Personen 1843 Dümmerlohausen

Putthoff, Bernard bei Kolon Meyer    1 1845 Rüschendorf
Putthoff, Bernd, Schneider, mit Frau und 2 Kindern bei Kolon Buning 4 1844 Osterfeine
Putthoff, Dienstknecht - nach Cincinnati    1 1848 Rottinghausen
Putthoff, Familie Johann Heinrich Putthoff bei Hakmann  4 1836 Rüschendorf
Putthoff, Franz Heinrich und Johann Heinrich bei Kolon Meyer  2 1840 Rüschendorf
Putthoff, Heinrich, Schneider, mit Frau und 6 Kindern bei Kolon Buning 8 1839 Osterfeine
Putthoff, Henrich bei Kolon Meyer    1 1840 Osterfeine
Putthoff, Hermann    1 1830 Damme
Putthoff, Witwe mit 3 Kindern bei Kramer  4 1839 Osterfeine
------------------------------

> I am searching for any information on Ferdinand Mayrose or Meyrose and his
> family.  He came to the United States in May of 1844 with his mother Maria
> Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister Agnes and brother
> Franz.
> I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry.  At least that is what
> it
> looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but it was hard to read.

> Ferdinand was born in October of 1829.  His obituary said that he was 85
> years and seventeen days old when he died on November 17, 1914.  So that
> would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or somewhere close to that.  He
> also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the same boat as Ferdinand
> and his mother and siblings.  I also haven't found evidence of his father
> coming to America.  And in 1880, a brother John shows up on the census
> with
> him.  But I have never found John anywhere else, so don't know where he
> came
> from.  John would have been born around 1837 as he is 43 in 1880.

> Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the passenger list as coming
> from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being from Oldenburg.

> Any information that anyone might have would be helpful.

> Thanks a lot!

> B.

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[OL]Openingtimes BMO

Date: 2001/08/06 22:48:54
From: Els en Marianne <emkoek.mrozendaal(a)worldonline.nl>

I would like to know if also Cloppenburg has his own archive for public to visited and if so the times it is open. The Bischöflich Offizialat in Vechta, the days and times  when it's open to consult the archive. Thanks for the information.


Re: [OL]Openingtimes BMO

Date: 2001/08/07 12:06:37
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>

Hi, Mrs. and Mr. Mrozendaal,

I can tell you that the:

Offizialatsarchiv in Vechta has got the following
times to open:

Mo throug Thursday --- 10 to 16h
Fr through 9 to 12h

Address: Offizialatsarchiv Vechta, Kolpingstr. 14,
D-49377 Vechta, Phone: +49--4441-872231 (Mr. Baumann,
Mr. Sieve or Mrs. Vonhusen)

Hope it helps

Have always a good and a happy hunting!

Lothar Grafe from Osnabrück, Lower Saxony, Germany
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PS: It maybe necessary to phone to one of them,
because the room to look for the records is quite
little.
--- Els en Marianne <emkoek.mrozendaal(a)worldonline.nl>
wrote:
> I would like to know if also Cloppenburg has his own
> archive for public to visited and if so the times it
> is open. The Bischöflich Offizialat in Vechta, the
> days and times  when it's open to consult the
> archive. Thanks for the information.
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Re: [OL]Openingtimes BMO

Date: 2001/08/07 13:50:51
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

The Archive of the Offizialat in Vechta has the church records for the 
Cloppenburg parishes as well.
For civil records in the area of Cloppenburg you should look at the State 
Archive in Oldenburg, Damm 43. They are open daily from 8:00 until 16:00.
Gerold Diers


[OL]Help needed!

Date: 2001/08/07 18:03:07
From: Bruett43 <Bruett43(a)aol.com>

Hello all of You,
does somebody of our American friends have any dates or informations at the 
surnames BRUETT, BRUETTE, BRUITT, BRUTT, BRUTTE or any varies
writing. Any help will be appreciated.
Best regards
Hermann Brütt from Germany! 


Re: [OL]Help needed!

Date: 2001/08/07 19:37:11
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

There are two listings of "Pruett" in the Racine, Wisconsin, phone directory.
Any possibility that's the same name?

Good luck with your searches.
Marilyn

Bruett43(a)aol.com wrote:

> Hello all of You,
> does somebody of our American friends have any dates or informations at the
> surnames BRUETT, BRUETTE, BRUITT, BRUTT, BRUTTE or any varies
> writing. Any help will be appreciated.
> Best regards
> Hermann Brütt from Germany!
>
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[OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/08 17:55:25
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>

Moin Hohe Liste,

ich suche Mitsuchende, die nach folgenden Namen in Dinklage forschen:

Schumacher

Ostendorf

Stricker(s)

Thomann/Thamann

Middendorf

Ferneding

Eilers

Schmedding

Stuke

Bier/Byer

Schwegmann

Blömer

Ko(c)kenge

Brothe

Witkorn

Fuhrmann

Willenborg

zu Hone

Gier/Gyer

Daten und Vornamen sind selbstverständlich vorhanden, aber da es sich um
"Nebenlinien" handelt, sind diese Linien von mir leider noch nicht großartig
erforscht.

Vielen Dank im voraus

MfG

Christian Delhey



[OL]Namen in Lohne

Date: 2001/08/08 17:58:29
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Liste - nun meine 2. mail:

Dieses Mal betrifft es den schoenen Ort Lohne

Broerding
Fischer
Braegemann
Lueken
Fortmann
Bokern
Michelmann
Fortmann
Diekmann

Auch hier sind Daten und Vornamen selbstverstaendlich vorhanden, aber da es
sich wiederum um "Nebenlinien" handelt, sind diese Linien von mir leider
kaum erforscht.

Vielen Dank im voraus

MfG

Christian Delhey



Re: [OL]Wilking Oythe

Date: 2001/08/08 20:00:18
From: Johanna Zurborg <Johanna(a)Zurborg.de>

Hallo,
ja die Eltern der Anna Catharina Bokern habe ich. Die Eltern waren Zeller in
Bokern.
Lubertus Bokern, * 7.2.1706 in Bokern oo 27.9.1733 in Lohne Anna Margaretha
Vossing, * 20.10.1713 in Bokern.
Die Eltern des Lubertus sind: Lübbe Bokern ,* 1668 oo 14.11.1702 in Lohne,
Margaretha Trenkamp, * ? in Lohne.

Mit freundlichem Gruß
Johanna Zurborg



Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/08 20:03:28
From: Johanna Zurborg <Johanna(a)Zurborg.de>

Hallo, wenn Sie mir mitteilen, was Sie genau suchen, könnte ich Ihnen
bestimmt behilflich sein, da ich gebürtig aus Dinklage stamme.
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Johanna Zurborg



[OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel

Date: 2001/08/08 20:57:02
From: Dirk Unterbrink <Dirk(a)unterbrink.net>

Hallo, ich suche und forsche nach allen Namensträgern Bohlsen aus Scharrel. Wer hat Bohlsen in der Ahnenliste?




Re: [OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel

Date: 2001/08/08 23:52:29
From: Jens Delger <Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de>

Um welches Scharrel handelt es sich? Es gibt einen Ort Scharrel im Landkrs.
Cloppenburg und ein kleines Dorf Scharrel in der Gemeinde Detern,
Ostfriesland. Und im OSB Detern findet sich die Hausmannsfamilie Bohlsen
(Boelsen) aus dem Dörfchen Barge (nahe Scharrel).

Wenn ich näheres zum gesuchten Probanden wüsste, dann könnte ich nochmal im
OSB Detern nachsehen. - Zu meinen Ahnen gehören die Bohlsens jedenfalls nicht.

Jens Delger

----------
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An: 'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net'
Betreff: [OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel
Datum: Mittwoch, 8. August 2001 20:57

Hallo, ich suche und forsche nach allen Namensträgern Bohlsen aus Scharrel.
Wer hat Bohlsen in der Ahnenliste?



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[OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/09 01:40:28
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>

Hilfe bitte, meine Ahnen mit der nahme Fick, Krabbenhöft, Brügmann, Kind,
Nehring zu finden 
Die adressen sind Süssau, Nusse u.s.w. habe Fick-name in Grube Kirchenbuch
unter vermisten in 1. weltkrieg gesehen.
War auf weg zu der Standesamt in Oldenburg aber es war um 12 Uhr
geschlossen. Ich wohne in Dänemark.
Viele grüsse Ester Fick. 



SV: [OL]Ich suche Fick-ahnen

Date: 2001/08/09 02:13:42
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>

Ich war in Wismar und habe die Standesamt dort und in Neukloster
(Süzow)besucht leider war dort keinen mit der nahme Fick. Ich habe zu erst
an die Süzow in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern geglaubt, aber in meine Swiegervaters
pas von 1917, steht es Süssau, Holstein,Preussen. Auf die heiratsurkunde
steht es Süssau, Oldenburg. Leider kan ich nieman fragen, Sie sind alle Tot.
Ich habe auch gesehen dass man Fick mit V geschrieben hat. Und vielleicht
gibt es mehrere Süssau-s in Deutschland. ich finde es sehr swierig aber
arbeitet weiter und hoffe schon was zu finden. 
 Grus Ester Fick.Sonderborg.   


AW: [OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel

Date: 2001/08/09 05:14:15
From: Dirk Unterbrink <Dirk(a)unterbrink.net>

Es handelt sich um den Ort Scharrel im Saterland, welches zum Landkreis Cloppenburg gehört. Danke für den hinweis zum Ort Scharrel in der Gemeinde Detern. Von diesem Ort wusste ich  nichts.

Dirk Unterbrink

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von:	Jens Delger [SMTP:Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de]
Gesendet am:	Mittwoch, 8. August 2001 23:08
An:	oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff:	Re: [OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel

Um welches Scharrel handelt es sich? Es gibt einen Ort Scharrel im Landkrs.
Cloppenburg und ein kleines Dorf Scharrel in der Gemeinde Detern,
Ostfriesland. Und im OSB Detern findet sich die Hausmannsfamilie Bohlsen
(Boelsen) aus dem Dörfchen Barge (nahe Scharrel).

Wenn ich näheres zum gesuchten Probanden wüsste, dann könnte ich nochmal im
OSB Detern nachsehen. - Zu meinen Ahnen gehören die Bohlsens jedenfalls nicht.

Jens Delger

----------
Von: Dirk Unterbrink <Dirk(a)unterbrink.net>
An: 'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net'
Betreff: [OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel
Datum: Mittwoch, 8. August 2001 20:57

Hallo, ich suche und forsche nach allen Namensträgern Bohlsen aus Scharrel.
Wer hat Bohlsen in der Ahnenliste?



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Re: SV: [OL]Ich suche Fick-ahnen

Date: 2001/08/09 17:43:54
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Es gibt m.E. nur ein Süssau in Deutschland.
Hierbei handelt es sich um das Dorf Süssau welches zur Gemeinde Heringsdorf im Landkreis Oldenburg-Holstein (OH) gehört. Also im Land Schleswig-Holstein gelegen ist, am Wege nach Fehmarn ( 5 km südwestlich von Heringsdorf an der Ostseeküste).
In Oldenburg-Holstein gibt es zwei Fick Adressen, siehe www.teleauskunft.de

Diese Liste deckt nur den Regierungsbezirk Oldenburg in Oldenburg ab und liegt im Land Niedersachsen.

Gruss Werner

> Ich war in Wismar und habe die Standesamt dort und in Neukloster
> (Süzow)besucht leider war dort keinen mit der nahme Fick. Ich habe zu erst
> an die Süzow in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern geglaubt, aber in meine
> Swiegervaters
> pas von 1917, steht es Süssau, Holstein,Preussen. Auf die heiratsurkunde
> steht es Süssau, Oldenburg. Leider kan ich nieman fragen, Sie sind alle
> Tot.
> Ich habe auch gesehen dass man Fick mit V geschrieben hat. Und vielleicht
> gibt es mehrere Süssau-s in Deutschland. ich finde es sehr swierig aber
> arbeitet weiter und hoffe schon was zu finden.
>  Grus Ester Fick.Sonderborg.

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Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/09 21:28:32
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>

Hi, Christian,

ich habe Ferneding in meiner Liste (ein Ferneding *
1856 in Langwege bei Dinklage, um genau zu sein) :-)

Bis zur nächsten Mail

Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück
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--- Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>
wrote:
> Moin Hohe Liste,
> 
> ich suche Mitsuchende, die nach folgenden Namen in
> Dinklage forschen:
> 
> Schumacher
> 
> Ostendorf
> 
> Stricker(s)
> 
> Thomann/Thamann
> 
> Middendorf
> 
> Ferneding
> 
> Eilers
> 
> Schmedding
> 
> Stuke
> 
> Bier/Byer
> 
> Schwegmann
> 
> Blömer
> 
> Ko(c)kenge
> 
> Brothe
> 
> Witkorn
> 
> Fuhrmann
> 
> Willenborg
> 
> zu Hone
> 
> Gier/Gyer
> 
> Daten und Vornamen sind selbstverständlich
> vorhanden, aber da es sich um
> "Nebenlinien" handelt, sind diese Linien von mir
> leider noch nicht großartig
> erforscht.
> 
> Vielen Dank im voraus
> 
> MfG
> 
> Christian Delhey
> 
> 
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AW: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/09 22:39:54
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Lothar,
>
> ich habe Ferneding in meiner Liste (ein Ferneding *
> 1856 in Langwege bei Dinklage, um genau zu sein) :-)
>
meinen scheinen direkt aus Dinklage zu kommen - 1856 waren sie auch schon
wider verschwunden :-)

Die letzte Ferneding, Friederike Elisabeth, geb.: 1833 in D., heiratete
Bernhard Alexander Schumacher.

Ihre Eltern waren: Johannes Heinrich Mathias Ferneding und Anna Catharina
Gier

Gru? aus Munster

Christian Delhey



SV: SV: [OL]Ich suche Fick-ahnen

Date: 2001/08/09 22:53:28
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>

Vielen dank, für die antwort, Ich muss diese gegend absuchen, und hofe das
es etwas gibt.
Der Deutche geografi und Historie ist ein bischen swierich für mich. Aber
man lernt ja jeden tag.Vielen dank Ester Fick.


[OL]Friederici / Friderici

Date: 2001/08/10 02:13:52
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>

Wer hat dieses Buch oder bekommt es gelegentlich in die Hände ???
Heinrich Wilhelm Rotermund, Das gelehrte Hannover, oder, Lexicon von Schriftstellern und Schriftstellerinnen, gelehrten Geschäfts-männern und Künstlern ... Bremen, bey Carl Schünemann. 1823.
Suche die dort angegebenen Namensträger Friederici.
____________________________________________
Georg Friederici _______________  www.friederici.de


Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage:Ferneding

Date: 2001/08/10 04:56:58
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Lothar,
My urgrossmutter was Elisabeth Ferneding, b 1843 in Holdorf, Damme, d 1882
in Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A.  Her father, Johann Heinrich Ferneding was born
in Holdorf 29 December 1796, married Cath. Elis. Pille, b 1825 in Dinklage,
Oldenburg.  Elisabeth was their seventh child.  His father was Johann
Bernard Ferneding, b 16 April 1754, married Elisabeth Bagge aus Holdorf.
His father was Johann Ferneding, aus Holdorf, b about 1752, married
Elisabeth Fangman aus Holdorf.

There are other Fernedings from Ihorst, part of Holdorf, and there is still
a Ferneding family on their farm there, Reinhold and his frau, Mechtild.  He
is descended from Ferdinand Hoeltermann, who married into the Ferneding
family and assumed their name by marryiing a widowed Ferneding daughter-in
law in 1792..  Joseph Ferneding, b 1802, Ihorst, d 1872, Cincinnati was one
of their kinder.  Joseph was a Catholic priest of some renown in his time.
I researched and wrote a biographical paper on Joseph's life in the past
three years.

If you see any links to these Fernedings, I would like to hear from you on
them.

Regards,  Bob



Antw: [OL]Openingtimes BMO

Date: 2001/08/10 08:30:58
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

No, Cloppenburg has no archives, local and regional administrative records should be at the Niedersaechsisches Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg,
Damm 43, Mon, Wed, Fri 08 - 16 h, Tue & Thu 08 - 18:30 h 

You might find some old Cloppenburg records at the Museumsdorf Cloppenburg, you will have to ask your way, they have no accomodations for the public interested in such paperwork - but they do have an own website, someone in the mailing list will be able to tell you


Bischoeflich Muenstersches Offizialats-Archiv, Kolpingstrasse, Vechta
Mon -  Thu 08:30 - 16:00 h, Fri 08:30 - 12:00

Greetings 

Falk Liebezeit, Diepholz 

>>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 06.08.2001  00.23 Uhr >>>
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Antw: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/10 09:06:41
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

Das klingt aber sehr nach Schleswig-Holstein. Du solltest es in Kiel im Evangelisch-Lutherischen Landeskirchenarchiv versuchen

Du skulle skrive til Evangelisches Landeskirchliches Archiv i Kiel 

Winterbeker Weg 51, 24114 Kiel
Tel. 0431-64986-0, Fax 0431-680836

Gruss - Hilsen

Falk Liebezeit, Diepholz 

>>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 09.08.2001  01.39 Uhr >>>
Hilfe bitte, meine Ahnen mit der nahme Fick, Krabbenhöft, Brügmann, Kind,
Nehring zu finden 
Die adressen sind Süssau, Nusse u.s.w. habe Fick-name in Grube Kirchenbuch
unter vermisten in 1. weltkrieg gesehen.
War auf weg zu der Standesamt in Oldenburg aber es war um 12 Uhr
geschlossen. Ich wohne in Dänemark.
Viele grüsse Ester Fick. 


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SV: Antw: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/10 12:04:52
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>

Vielen Dank, Ich glaube auch das der Süssau, bei der stadt Oldenburg liegt.
Auf eine alte Ausweis vom 1917 steht es  Sössau, Holstein, Preussen, ich
habe immer geglaubt es war Süssow in Mechlenburg-Strelitz oder
Vorpommern,und dort war es auch verschiedene Fick.s aber ich vermisse die
verbindenen link. Ich danke für die adresse - 
NB:Taler De dansk eller er det computeren der oversætter? Gruss Ester Fick,
Sonderborg.DK 

 


Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/10 21:51:21
From: John and Jean Earl <jearl(a)home.com>

Hello List Members!

        My Dinklage and Essen in Oldenburg list consists of the
following family names:
 
        GIER, ORTMANN, BLOMER, HOLZ, HINXLAGE, MOORMANN, AVERWATER,
RACKHORST, KOKENGE, WEFER, WILLENBORG, THOMAN, BRUNING, STRATEGIER,
HEINEMANN, KALFELAGE (CALVELAGE), LANGHORST, KOKENGE, BOCKLAGE, KROGER,
ROLFES, WEHAGE, IMBUSCH, STRATEGIER, HOLLERBROCK, RUHOLL, GRAVE,
HINXLAGE, KAMPHAUS, DWERLKOTTE, SCHMEDDINCK, BAHLMAN, ESPELAGE, NIEMAN,
RUHOLL, SCHULTE, VAGEDINCK, SCHWEGMANN, BALEMAN, BARLAGE, MIDDENDORF,
HACKMANN, SEXTRO, DIECKMAN, STRUVING, BARLAGE and also PRULLAGE.
 
        Members of the GIER, ORTMANN & PRULLAGE families left for North
America in the 1850's, 1860's and 1870's and settled in Cincinnati,
Ohio.
 
                                         With best wishes,
                                         Jean Gear (Gier) Earl


[OL]UNSCRIBE

Date: 2001/08/11 02:54:39
From: rgriffin <rgriffin(a)sdcoe.k12.ca.us>

UNSCRIBE



Re: [OL]UNSCRIBE

Date: 2001/08/11 03:14:22
From: John Lane <lane73(a)msn.com>

yes, unscribe 
 
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From: rgriffin
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 7:57 PM
To: oldenburg
Subject: [OL]UNSCRIBE
 
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[OL]Ohmstede

Date: 2001/08/11 08:54:09
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Liste,

seit ein paar Wochen bin ich Mitleser der Oldenburg-Liste. Einige Antworten 
bezüglich des Zuständigkeitsbereiches dieser Liste, die gegenüber Frau Fick 
geäußert wurden, haben auch mich irritiert.
Warum sind die holsteinischen Gebiete des Grossherzogtums Oldenburg aus dieser 
Liste ausgeschlossen?

Ich bin auf der Suche nach OHMSTEDEs im Bereich Brake - Elsfleth, insbesondere in 
den Ortschaften Hammelwarden, Kirchhammelwarden, Hammelwardermoor und Fünfhausen, 
aber auch im Bereich Eutin.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Christoph Haupt



Re: [OL]Ohmstede

Date: 2001/08/11 10:58:50
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Es gibt eben nur sehr wenige verwandtschaftliche Beziehungen zwischen 
Einwohnern im ehemaligen 'holsteinischen' Oldenburg und dem Oldenburger 
Kernland. Deswegen sind Eutiner etc. bei Famnord besser aufgehoben.

Sind Sie schon mal folgenden Hinweisen nachgegangen ? (Die meisten dieser 
Dinge liegen im Staatsarchiv Oldenburg - Bestand OGF):

Ohmstede (Frerk Ohmstede, Wiarden,1585--1648). St.T., 11 Gen., H., P.         
                        ,OJB40Ohmstede, 800 Jahre, Oldb 1958. 
Darin:Geschichte der Ortschaften Ohmstede und Bornhorst, von Heinrich 
Munderloh                                ,OJB69Ohmstede, Abelius 
(1834--1864), Weinhändlerin Jever, u. seine Frau Antonie geb. von Heimburg 
(1842--1879); JHK 1971 S. 20                                ,OJB75Ohmstede, 
Behrend (1752--1824), einjeverländischer Bauer als Kauf- und Geldmann um 
1800, von Karl Fissen; JHK 1965S. 52 ff.                                ,OJB69
Ohmstede, Die Ohmsteder Kirche, Entstehungund Geschichte, Festschrift 
anläßlich der 75-Jahrfeier im Jahr 1976, Oldenburg1976                        
         ,OJB75Ohmstede, Jade, (Gerd vor 1755), St.T. vonJ.H. Gräper, H.      
                           ,OJB51Ohmstede, Mitteilungen über die 
FamilieOhmstede, O,G.F.                                , OJB40
Ohmstede,Oldenburger Wappentafel 10; OHK 1986 S. 54                           
     ,OF92Ohmstede, Rudolf Heinrich, Bauer, *Oldenbrok-Niederort 12. 5. 1921, 
A.T. (Ohmstede, Wöhler, Ohmstede, Meinardus;Stegie, Ahlers, Meinardus, 
Meinardus), H.                                ,OJB51Ohmstede, s. Jeverl. 
Familien    
 Viele Grüße
Gerold Diers (Oldb. Gesellschaft für Familienkunde)
 












Re: [OL]Ohmstede

Date: 2001/08/11 14:09:22
From: hschlutow <HSchlutow(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Christoph Haupt,

CHaupt schrieb:
> Liebe Liste,
>
> seit ein paar Wochen bin ich Mitleser der Oldenburg-Liste. Einige Antworten 
> bezüglich des Zuständigkeitsbereiches dieser Liste, die gegenüber Frau Fick 
> geäußert wurden, haben auch mich irritiert.
> Warum sind die holsteinischen Gebiete des Grossherzogtums Oldenburg aus
>  dieser 
> Liste ausgeschlossen?
>
> Ich bin auf der Suche nach OHMSTEDEs im Bereich Brake - Elsfleth,
>  insbesondere in 
> den Ortschaften Hammelwarden, Kirchhammelwarden, Hammelwardermoor und
>  Fünfhausen, 
> aber auch im Bereich Eutin.
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> Christoph Haupt
>

die Oldenburg-Liste ist für die Orte, die Du aufgelistet hast, sicher zuständig.
Für den Bereich Eutin ist eine andere Mailingliste zuständig.
Schau mal auf die Internet-Seite

     http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/

Dort findest Du eine Menge Mailinglisten - auch für Schleswig-Holstein.

Beste Grüße
Heinz



Re: [OL]Ohmstede

Date: 2001/08/11 20:35:33
From: HSchoon <HSchoon(a)aol.com>

Hallo,ich bin auch auf der Suche nach Ohmstedes. Ich habe auch einige in der 
Datei. Bitte melde Dich !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kirsten


FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families

Date: 2001/08/12 10:07:45
From: Jasper Parrott <jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk>

Dear List

Since I constantly receive endless copies of messages about other
genealogical inquiries, it seems odd to me that I have heard from no-one
about these three names.

I would be gratweful for any help, akso for any useful e mail addresses for
central historical or genealogical archives in Oldenburg. I presume there
must also be some documentation about prominent Oldenburgers active in the
wine trade in the late 18th/early 20th centuries.

Can anyone kindly give me a very brief summary of what the Grandduchy's
status was during the Napoleonic wars ? I've read that there was a biref
occupation but what happened later ?

Regards

Jasper PARROTT

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Subject:	[OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families





Dear Subscribers

I asm interested in researching the connection between three Oldenburg
families of the 19th century who were active in the Bordeaux area. The names
are:
Henri (or Heinrich ) Damann
Charles Louis Michaelsen
Frederic Louis Kuehlmann
Caroline Emilie Kuehlmann

Frederic Louis Kuehlmann was Consul for Oldenburg in Bordeaux in 1855
M.J. Michaelsen was Consul for Oldenburg in Bordeaux in 1867
Any help much appreciated.
Jasper Parrott
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Re: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families

Date: 2001/08/12 10:56:31
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hello,
could it be that these persons, besides acting as Consul for Oldenburg, also 
acted as Consul for others, like Bremen and/or Denmark ? Then these people 
wouldn't necessarily come from Oldenburg. The name Michaelsen points to 
Denmark or Norway. 
Gerold Diers



RE: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families

Date: 2001/08/12 11:16:30
From: Jasper Parrott <jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk>

Dear Herr Diers

Thanks for your quick reply.

You make a very intelligent point and I too have assume that Michaelsen must
be originally Danish ...However, the documentation I have makes no mention
of any other consular responsibilities and the Michaelsen family had quite a
large and thriving business in Bordeaux for at least 60-70 years. At the end
there was a marriage connection to the Bordeaux family Vieillard which had a
very large and successful porcelain factory in Bordeaux. So if they were
also representing other
States prior to the Bismarkian unification, I'm sure it would have been
mentioned in some of the documents I have read so far.

The reason why I am interested in all of this is that I own a house in
Entre-deux- mers built in 1779 and owned by the Michaelsens from about 1836
having acquired it by marriage from the family Kuhlmann who, in turn, seem
to have received it from a Henri (Heinrich ) Damann.The Kuhlmann familly
came from both Oldenburg and Preussen....So far, I have faied to trace back
the notarial records to the first owner of the house

Although many foreigners were very active in the wine business (and other
trades ) in Bordeaux in the late 18th and 19th century, it seems strange
that Oldenburgers would have installed themselves in such a small
provinicial setting involving at least (at that time) a carraige journey of
7-8 hours from Bordeaux.

I wonder whether during the period of Napoleonic occupation, some
enterprising Oldenburgers extended their business and property interests in
Bordeaux. 

In general, I am interested in the micro-history of our small but pleasant
region because for some time I've been contemplating a book about it...

Regards and thanks for your imput

Jasper Parrott


		-----Original Message-----
		From:	GDiers9488(a)aol.com [mailto:GDiers9488(a)aol.com]
		Sent:	12 August 2001 09:56
		To:	oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
		Subject:	Re: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg
families

		Hello,
		could it be that these persons, besides acting as Consul for
Oldenburg, also 
		acted as Consul for others, like Bremen and/or Denmark ?
Then these people 
		wouldn't necessarily come from Oldenburg. The name
Michaelsen points to 
		Denmark or Norway. 
		Gerold Diers


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RE: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families

Date: 2001/08/12 19:59:12
From: Jasper Parrott <jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk>

Lieber Herr Diers

Sind Sie derselbe G. Diers der arbeitet auch in Oldenburg Staatsarchiv ?
Wenn so, waere es moeglicht weiteres ueber die ehemalige Oldenburger Consuls
im Bordeaux weiter ueber Sie zu untersuchen ? Ich bin ein Anfaenger mit
dieser Art e mailforschung...

Herr Juergen Dress hat mir freundlicherweie hilfreiche Auskuenft geschickt
ueber Dammann und Kuehlmann (koennte es auch Kuhlmann ohne Umlaut auch
geschrieben sein ?) die voraussichtlich kaum im Oldenburger bebiet ansaessig
waren... Aber, als Oldeburger Consuls nehme ich an dass es irgendowo weitere
Spueren im Staatarchiv zu finden sind.

Vielen Dank im Voraus fuer Ihre Muehe und freundliche Unterstuetzung.

Gruesse

Jasper Parrott



		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Jasper Parrott
[mailto:jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk]
		Sent:	12 August 2001 10:13
		To:	'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net'
		Cc:	Jasper Parrott
		Subject:	RE: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg
families

		Dear Herr Diers

		Thanks for your quick reply.

		You make a very intelligent point and I too have assume that
Michaelsen must
		be originally Danish ...However, the documentation I have
makes no mention
		of any other consular responsibilities and the Michaelsen
family had quite a
		large and thriving business in Bordeaux for at least 60-70
years. At the end
		there was a marriage connection to the Bordeaux family
Vieillard which had a
		very large and successful porcelain factory in Bordeaux. So
if they were
		also representing other
		States prior to the Bismarkian unification, I'm sure it
would have been
		mentioned in some of the documents I have read so far.

		The reason why I am interested in all of this is that I own
a house in
		Entre-deux- mers built in 1779 and owned by the Michaelsens
from about 1836
		having acquired it by marriage from the family Kuhlmann who,
in turn, seem
		to have received it from a Henri (Heinrich ) Damann.The
Kuhlmann familly
		came from both Oldenburg and Preussen....So far, I have
faied to trace back
		the notarial records to the first owner of the house

		Although many foreigners were very active in the wine
business (and other
		trades ) in Bordeaux in the late 18th and 19th century, it
seems strange
		that Oldenburgers would have installed themselves in such a
small
		provinicial setting involving at least (at that time) a
carraige journey of
		7-8 hours from Bordeaux.

		I wonder whether during the period of Napoleonic occupation,
some
		enterprising Oldenburgers extended their business and
property interests in
		Bordeaux. 

		In general, I am interested in the micro-history of our
small but pleasant
		region because for some time I've been contemplating a book
about it...

		Regards and thanks for your imput

		Jasper Parrott


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				Sent:	12 August 2001 09:56
				To:	oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
				Subject:	Re: FW: [OL]Inquiry
regarding Oldenburg
		families

				Hello,
				could it be that these persons, besides
acting as Consul for
		Oldenburg, also 
				acted as Consul for others, like Bremen
and/or Denmark ?
		Then these people 
				wouldn't necessarily come from Oldenburg.
The name
		Michaelsen points to 
				Denmark or Norway. 
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Re: Antw: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/12 21:12:24
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Ester,
nach dem alten Atlas meines Urgroßvaters von 1897 ist Süssau ein Schloss an
der Neustädter Bucht nördlich des Gaarzer Sees, ungefähr 10km nördlich von
Dahme. In unmittelbarer Nachbarschaft (ca. 2km nördlich) befand sich noch
das Schloss Siggen. Vielleicht hilft diese Information Dir weiter.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid Heine



Re: [OL]Namen in Lohne

Date: 2001/08/12 21:38:09
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Christian,
einige von deinen Lohner Namen habe ich auch:
Braegelmann (= Brogelmann?, = Breugelmann?)
 Johann van Brogel, * ca. 1510
 Brogelmann, * ca. 1550
 Arnd Brogelmann, * ca. 1650
 Hilcke Breugelmann, * ca. 1670

Fortmann
 Johann Schulte sive Fortmann, * ca. 1610
 Lucia Fortmann, * ca. 16338

Kannst du was damit anfangen?
Otto






Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/12 21:38:09
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Christian,
einige von deinen Namen habe ich auch, wenn ich sie teilweise auch 
nicht in Verbindung mit Dinklage gebracht habe:
Schmedding aus Emsbüren
Willenborg aus Lohne(?)
 Hnerich Willenborg, * ca. 1670
 Gertrud Willenborg, * 18.10.1701

Kannst du eine Verbindung sehen?
Otto



Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/12 21:38:15
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hi John and Jean,
I found some of your names in my list, too:
Willenborg
 Henrich Willenborg, * ca. 1670
 Gertrud Willenborg, * 18.10.1701
Calvelage
 Anna Catharina Calvelage, * ca. 1670
Schmedding from Emsbueren

Any connections?
Otto



SV: Antw: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/12 22:33:05
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>

Vielen dank, ich werde versuchen näher drann zu kommen, ich habe geglaubt
das es in Mecklenburg war, dann Oldenburg, und nun Holstein. Ich war in
Süssau,auf der weg zu der standesamt in der stadt Oldenburg, aber leider war
es am 12.00 uhr geschlossen. Schade.Danke Ester Fick.   



AW: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/12 22:53:04
From: Matthias Asseln <matthias.asseln(a)kielnet.net>

Hallo Ester,
die Namen die Du suchst hören sich tatsächlich alle sehr holsteinisch an.
Ich habe mal für den Bereich Kiel (Landeshauptstadt Schleswig-Holstein) das
Telefonbuch durchgeschaut und auf anhieb 4 Namen Fick gefunden. Der Name
Krabbenhöft ist mir aus der Gemeinde Gettorf bei Kiel geläufig.
Viele Grüße
Matthias

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Ester Fick
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. August 2001 01:39
An: 'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net'
Betreff: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.


Hilfe bitte, meine Ahnen mit der nahme Fick, Krabbenhöft, Brügmann, Kind,
Nehring zu finden
Die adressen sind Süssau, Nusse u.s.w. habe Fick-name in Grube Kirchenbuch
unter vermisten in 1. weltkrieg gesehen.
War auf weg zu der Standesamt in Oldenburg aber es war um 12 Uhr
geschlossen. Ich wohne in Dänemark.
Viele grüsse Ester Fick.


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SV: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/12 23:51:51
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>

Vielen dank, Ich hoffe das ich näher drann kommen, die mit E-mail habe ich
gescrieben, aber keine antwort bekommen. ich habe auch die Standesamt
geschrieben, hoffentlich wird es was. Noch mals danke. Ester Fick.  


Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/13 01:04:48
From: Caeser1932 <Caeser1932(a)aol.com>

Jean
  I noticed that you have the name Hinxlage on your Dinklage list. My ggm was 
Elizabeth Hinxlage from Dinklage b. 1835. She immirated to Covington, Ky 
circa 1850. Do you have any information on the Hinxlage family in Dinklage?
                    Jerry Twohig
                      caeser1932(a)aol.com


[OL]test

Date: 2001/08/13 01:54:17
From: M Wethington <mwethington(a)home.com>

test



[OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/13 02:15:13
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>

To the listers who may be able to help:
My husband's ancestors came from the Oldenburg area.  His name was
Johann Heinrich Joseph Gortemoller, born 18 May 1800, Kloster Lage,
Rieste ?.  Married Elizabeth Tangemann Korte Gortemoller and came to the
United States 1836-37.  Cannot find the name of the village they lived
in or when exactly they did emigrate.  Do know that Johann Heinrich's
father was Johann Bernard Joseph Gortemoller nee Becker born 1768 but
can go no furthur back than that time period.  Can anyone help?  I wish
I had studied German for longer than two years since after 50 years I
remember very little.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you
in advance.
Sophie Gottemoller




[OL]Friderici

Date: 2001/08/13 02:24:47
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>

ERICH FRIDERICI
http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRMACHT/HEER/General-Heer_E-H.html

SUCHE Verbindung zu Nachkommen seiner Familie.
Sein Bruder Kurtgerhard  Friderici (* 1908, X 1941) 
hatte einen Sohn:
RONALD FRIDERICI (* um 1940) in Wuppertal ? 
CD-Info 1999 Handy Nr. nicht mehr gültig !
___________________________________________
Suche Adresse, Tel., Mail von RONALD FRIDERICI
___________________________________________
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AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne

Date: 2001/08/13 04:55:43
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Hallo Herr Felschen,

mich würde interessieren, welche Quellen Sie für Ihre Daten benutzt haben.

Ich habe eine Elisabeth Hempelman aus dem Kirchspiel Lohne in meiner Ahnenliste. Ihr
berechnetes Geburtsjahr ist 1669. Habe ich eine Chance, die Eltern ausfindig zu machen?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Hubert Bomas
http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Felschen
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. August 2001 21:38
> An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: Re: [OL]Namen in Lohne
>
>
> Hallo Christian,
> einige von deinen Lohner Namen habe ich auch:
> Braegelmann (= Brogelmann?, = Breugelmann?)
>  Johann van Brogel, * ca. 1510
>  Brogelmann, * ca. 1550
>  Arnd Brogelmann, * ca. 1650
>  Hilcke Breugelmann, * ca. 1670
>
> Fortmann
>  Johann Schulte sive Fortmann, * ca. 1610
>  Lucia Fortmann, * ca. 16338
>
> Kannst du was damit anfangen?
> Otto
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/13 05:13:09
From: John and Jean Earl <jearl(a)home.com>

Hello Otto,

	Thanks for contacting me.

	 I have the following WILLENBORGS:

	Anna Adelheid WILLENBORG, daughter of Heinrich WILLENBORG 	and Engl
AVERWATER gnt. BOCKMANN
	born about 5 July 1732 in Dinklage
	died in September 1801
	married Johann Heinrich BLOMER on 13 November 1758 in 	Dinklage

	Heinrich WILLENBORG
	born in Dinklage
	died in Dinklage?

	And a few SCHMEDDINCKS:

	Elisabetha SCHMEDDINCK, daughter of Gerdt SCHMEDDINCK and ??
	born about 1659 in Dinklage
	died ??
	married Johan CALVELAGE on 19 November 1621 in Dinklage

	Gerdt SCHMEDDINCK
	born about 1617
	died 15 August 1684 in Dinklage

	And the CALVELAGES:


	Maria Gertrud CALVELAGE, daughter of Johann CALVELAGE and 	Elisabetha
SCHMEDDINCK
	born about 7 December 1695 in Dinklage
	died in June 1760
	married Heinrich BLOMER on 7 November 1719 in Dinklage

	Johann CALVELAGE
	born before 1669
	died ?
	married Elisabetha SCHMEDDINCK on 19 November 1691 in 	Dinklage

......
another KALFELAGE family:


	Anna Catharina kl. KALFELAGE, daughter of Johann KALFELAGE 	and
Catharina Elisabetha GRAVE
	born about 1 November 1745 in Dinklage
	died 10 March 1816 in Dinklage
	married Johann Heinrich RACKHORST on 23 October 1770 in 	Lohne


	Johann KALFELAGE, son of Arend KALFELAGE and Anna BLOMER
	born 11 December 1710 in Dinklage
	died ?
	married Cathatina Elisabetha GRAVE on 21 May 1743 in 	Dinklage


	Arend KALFELAGE
	born ?
	died before 1750
	married Anna BLOMER (Anna BLOMER born about 1670)


	I hope this helps.

				With best wishes,

				Jean

Felschen wrote:
> 
> Hi John and Jean,
> I found some of your names in my list, too:
> Willenborg
>  Henrich Willenborg, * ca. 1670
>  Gertrud Willenborg, * 18.10.1701
> Calvelage
>  Anna Catharina Calvelage, * ca. 1670
> Schmedding from Emsbueren
> 
> Any connections?
> Otto
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[OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/13 10:07:02
From: hschlutow <HSchlutow(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Ester Fick,

Ester Fick schrieb:
> Vielen dank, Ich hoffe das ich näher drann kommen, die mit E-mail habe ich
> gescrieben, aber keine antwort bekommen. ich habe auch die Standesamt
> geschrieben, hoffentlich wird es was. Noch mals danke. Ester Fick.  
>

Du wirst Antwort mit der Post bekommen, wie ich Dir schrieb. Das kann 
natürlich noch ein paar Tage dauern. Das machen die von der Stadtverwaltung 
Schleswig wohl aus Datenschutz-Gründen oder was für Gründe die auch 
immer haben ;-)

Beste Grüße
Heinz



SV: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/13 10:14:27
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>

Das werde schön, ich habe viele familien, aber vermisse das Link, viele sind
nach America ausgewandert u.z.w.Und ich habe meine Ahnen aber vermisse mein
mans Ahnen. Vielen dank Ester Fick. 


[OL]Hoya

Date: 2001/08/13 11:08:49
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>

Hallo -

gibt es vielleicht jemanden, der so nett wäre, mal in den Kirchenbüchern
von Hoya für mich nachzusehen?

Meine Ur-Ur-Großmutter Wilhelmine Friederike Bischoff muß dort geboren
worden sein. Da sie 1847 geheiratet hat, vermute ich, ihre Geburt war im
Zeitraum 1820 - 1830. Ich weiß nur, daß der Vater Wilhelm hieß und vor
Januar 1847 gestorben sein muß - ansontsen habe ich keinerlei
Informationen über die Familie.

Mein Schreiben an die Ev. Kirchengemeinde wurde leider  überhaupt nicht
beantwortet.

Meine Hoffnung: vielleicht wohnt ja jemand inder Nähe - oder forscht
selbst auch in Hoya?

Viele Grüße von Irmi

--

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Re: [OL]Friderici

Date: 2001/08/13 11:09:01
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Georg Friederici schreef:
> 
> ERICH FRIDERICI
> http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRMACHT/HEER/General-Heer_E-H.html
> 
> SUCHE Verbindung zu Nachkommen seiner Familie.
> Sein Bruder Kurtgerhard  Friderici (* 1908, X 1941)
> hatte einen Sohn:
> RONALD FRIDERICI (* um 1940) in Wuppertal ?
> CD-Info 1999 Handy Nr. nicht mehr gültig !
> ___________________________________________
> Suche Adresse, Tel., Mail von RONALD FRIDERICI
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Hallo Georg,
Kuck mal auf http://www.phonenumbers.net
Ich habe gesehn das es in Amerika auch viele Frederici,s gibt.
grüsse Betty KruLL


Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/13 14:35:58
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Sophie,

My Niehaus ancestors are also from Archduchy of Oldenburg.  Your <Rieste> is
likely<Bieste>, which is a village about two miles west of Neuenkirchen,
Damme, in the southernmost part of Oldenburg.  There was a <Lage Kloster> or
Lage Cloister or Monastery, about two miles SW of Neuenkirchen. The
monastery was begun in the 13th century by the Knights of St. John to care
for indigents and the sick, and it was owned and run by the Benedictine
Order as a monastery and school in the latter 18th into the19th century, and
may still be, today.  A considerable number of emigrants from southern
Oldenburg came to Cincinnati, western Ohio and southern Indiana, and some to
Illinois and St. Louis.  Our hometown is Cincinnati.

I can provide you with LDS (Mormon) tape numbers that you can arrange to
rent from the nearest LDS Family History for the Neunkirchen Catholic
Kirchenbucher (parish record books) These will provide, in original
handwriting of the pastors, baptisms, marriages and deaths for the parishes
there.  Since you know the name and birth, death and approx. marriage dates
of your husband's Gortemoller ancestors you may find more generations and
names without much trouble.  I suggest a you buy a soft bound Websters New
World German Dictionary.  With some patience you can translate many passages
and words yourself.  Also, the Catholic Church records were written at least
partially in Latin, another solvable puzzle. The handwriting and old German
script is another challenge, requiring patrince.

Werner Honkomp in that region of Germany is much more expert than I.  He
will likely also respond with more helpful information for you.

Regards,     Bob Niehaus



Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/13 15:45:57
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Hello Bob and Sophie,

While everything Bob said is true, I think that it is possible and even likely that your husband's ancestors came from Rieste.  It is a small village in Hannover, right over the border from the Neuenkirchen that Bob mentioned.  Also, the sacramental recrods for the people of Rieste are located at Kloster Lage, at least in the mid-1700's.  Since your birth information contains a reference to both Rieste and Kloster Lage, I think Rieste is your likely location.

I had some records researched for my Rieste ancestors by Falk Liebezeit (a professional researcher who is also a member of this list) a little over a month ago, and the records were held at Kloster Lage.  Only a small amount of the town's vital records were filmed by the Mormans.  From the dates (1808 - 1811 (i.e., Napoleon) and after 1854 to abt 1871), I believe the only records filmed were some type of civil records.  The Diocese of Hannover did not let the Mormans film their records like the Diocese of Munster did.  

If your husband's ancestors had come from Bieste, Bob is correct that there records would be held in Neuenkirchen's churchbooks and they are available from the Mormans.

I have seen the name Tangemann in the church records in Oldenburger Munsterland, but I can't remember which town for sure off the top of my head.  I believe it was in Damme's churchbooks.  I can check my copy of Pagenstert when I get home, or perhaps somebody else on the list has a copy handy and can look up what village the Tangemann farm was in.  That would at least suggest a good place to start looking.  

I think that I have seen the Becker name in Neuenkirchen's churchbooks.  Also, I'll mention a point you might already be aware of.  Since the father's name was Gortemoller nee (i.e., born) Becker, the father changed his name to Gortemoller, probably when he took over the Gortemoller farm.  This most commonly occured when a man married the daughter of a farm owner who had no sons and the farm was inherited by or through (I have never been completely clear on that point) the daughter/wife.  I have also seen a name change once in the Munster Diocese (Hochstift) where a man purchased a farm.

Hope this helps, 

Don

Bob Niehaus wrote:
<<My Niehaus ancestors are also from Archduchy of Oldenburg.  Your <Rieste> is
likely<Bieste>, which is a village about two miles west of Neuenkirchen,
Damme, in the southernmost part of Oldenburg.  There was a <Lage Kloster> or
Lage Cloister or Monastery, about two miles SW of Neuenkirchen. The
monastery was begun in the 13th century by the Knights of St. John to care
for indigents and the sick, and it was owned and run by the Benedictine
Order as a monastery and school in the latter 18th into the19th century, and
may still be, today.  A considerable number of emigrants from southern
Oldenburg came to Cincinnati, western Ohio and southern Indiana, and some to
Illinois and St. Louis.  Our hometown is Cincinnati.

I can provide you with LDS (Mormon) tape numbers that you can arrange to
rent from the nearest LDS Family History for the Neunkirchen Catholic
Kirchenbucher (parish record books) These will provide, in original
handwriting of the pastors, baptisms, marriages and deaths for the parishes
there.  Since you know the name and birth, death and approx. marriage dates
of your husband's Gortemoller ancestors you may find more generations and
names without much trouble.  I suggest a you buy a soft bound Websters New
World German Dictionary.  With some patience you can translate many passages
and words yourself.  Also, the Catholic Church records were written at least
partially in Latin, another solvable puzzle. The handwriting and old German
script is another challenge, requiring patrince.

Werner Honkomp in that region of Germany is much more expert than I.  He
will likely also respond with more helpful information for you.

Regards,     Bob Niehaus>>


Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/13 17:48:15
From: Arthur Neubauer <Arthur.Neubauer(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Otto,
entschuldige wenn ich mich hier einmische, aber diese GERTRUD WILLENBORG kann 
keine Vorfahrin von Dir sein, da sie im Alter von 3 Wochen gestorben ist.

Ich zitiere aus: Alphabetisches Register Lohne 1683 bis 1811. 

Gertrud Willenborg * 18.10.1701 Lohne, + 1.11.1701 (3 Wochen) Lohne
Eltern
Henrich Willenborg oo 18.10.1700 Anna Catharina Calvelage

Schreib mir mal mit wem Deine Gertrud verheiratet war, dann werde ich mal 
nachsehen ob ich da was rausfinden kann.

Gruß Arthur Neubauer
Freiburg 



Felschen schrieb:
> Hallo Christian,
> einige von deinen Namen habe ich auch, wenn ich sie teilweise auch 
> nicht in Verbindung mit Dinklage gebracht habe:
> Schmedding aus Emsbüren
> Willenborg aus Lohne(?)
>  Hnerich Willenborg, * ca. 1670
>  Gertrud Willenborg, * 18.10.1701
>
> Kannst du eine Verbindung sehen?
> Otto
>
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Re: AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne

Date: 2001/08/13 18:35:40
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Herr Bomas,
die Daten habe ich aus 	PAGENSTERT, CLEMENS: Lohner Familien. Ein Beitrag zur 
Heimatkunde. Vechta 1927. Im Internet bei BLÖMER, B.: 
http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/, dann "Bücher", dann "Lohner Familien"
Im Inhaltsverzeichnis habe ich Hempelmann, Nordlohne gefunden, weiter habe ich 
allerdings nicht geguckt.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Otto Felschen





Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/13 18:49:39
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Arthur,
was ich über Gertrud Willenborg weiß, ist folgendes:
Gertrud Willenborg
[LAMMERS, S. 119] wurde am xx.10.1701 als Tochter von Henrich Willenborg und 
Anna Catharina Calvelage in Lohne geboren und am 18.10.1701 in Lohne getauft. 
Taufpaten waren Gertrudis Willenborg (eine Schwester ihres Vaters?), Joannes 
Calvelage (ein Bruder ihrer Mutter?) und Maria Arckstedde.
Am 20.11.1725 heiratete sie im Alter von 24 Jahren in Oythe den Zeller Joan 
Hermann Lammers aus Oythe und zog zu ihm. Trauzeugen waren Henrich Lammers 
(wahrscheinlich der jüngere Bruder ihres Mannes, Joan Henrich) und Joan Henrich 
Meyer (ein Nachbar aus Oythe?).
Sie hatten die Kinder Maria Gertrud (geb. 16.1.1727), Franz Anton (geb. 
25.7.1728), Joan Henrich (geb. 19.11.1730) und Gerhard (get. 29.5.1735). Als 
Anerkennung des Gutsherrn ist die Tatsache anzusehen, daß dieser die Patenschaft 
über den ersten Jungen übernahm, der dann auch die Vornamen des Grafen - Franz 
Anton - erhielt.
Sie starb am 5.10.1773 in Oythe-Telbrake im Alter von 72 Jahren.

Hat die Familie vielleicht nach dem Tod der Tochter Gertrud noch eine weitere 
Tochter Gertrud gehabt? So einen Fall habe ich schon mehrere Male gefunden.
Ich habe leider nicht das Lohner Register, sondern nur eine Geschichte der 
Familie Lammers von Hermann Lammers, der wiederum seine Informationen aus dem 
Kirchenbuch Lohne hat, das nach seinen Angaben ca. 1701 begonnen wurde.
 Ich würde mich freuen, wenn du mich mit weiteren und besseren Informationen 
versorgen könntest.
Grüße aus Wadersloh, Münsterland
Otto Felschen




Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/13 21:59:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

This is the wrong list for you. Kloster Lage and Rieste is located in Osnabrück county, you should go to Hannover-List.

The name Gortemoller or all variation of this you can't find in Germany.
But the German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de) shows in Rieste this address of a farmer:

Tangemann-Stickfort, Aloys Bauer  phone (05493) 241
  Bieste
  49597 Rieste

There you can find also 3 Korte addresses.

Werner

> To the listers who may be able to help:
> My husband's ancestors came from the Oldenburg area.  His name was
> Johann Heinrich Joseph Gortemoller, born 18 May 1800, Kloster Lage,
> Rieste ?.  Married Elizabeth Tangemann Korte Gortemoller and came to the
> United States 1836-37.  Cannot find the name of the village they lived
> in or when exactly they did emigrate.  Do know that Johann Heinrich's
> father was Johann Bernard Joseph Gortemoller nee Becker born 1768 but
> can go no furthur back than that time period.  Can anyone help?  I wish
> I had studied German for longer than two years since after 50 years I
> remember very little.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you
> in advance.
> Sophie Gottemoller



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Re: AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne

Date: 2001/08/13 21:59:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Da die Kirchenbücher in Lohne erst um 1680 beginnen wird man kaum die Eltern ausfindig machen können.
Die ältesten Einträge im Buch Lohner-Familien beziehen sich auf dem Zeller Hempelmann mit folgenden Einträgen:

- 1545 Johann Hempelmann und Frau Tale.
- 1565 Heinrich Hempelmann und Frau Kath.

Im Lohner Kirchenbuchregister sind ältesten Einträge Für Elisabeth Hempelmann:

* um 1631 , +31.07.1701 (70), vidua
* um 1665 , +31.12.1711 (46), oo 16.11.1700 Herbert Punt
* ?? oo 04.11.1697 in Twistringen Conrad Kort aus Twistringen
* 21.06.1686 Eltern: Johann Hemplemann - Natalia Punt +03.03.1706 (19)

Werner

> Hallo Herr Felschen,

> mich würde interessieren, welche Quellen Sie für Ihre Daten benutzt haben.

> Ich habe eine Elisabeth Hempelman aus dem Kirchspiel Lohne in meiner
> Ahnenliste. Ihr
> berechnetes Geburtsjahr ist 1669. Habe ich eine Chance, die Eltern
> ausfindig zu machen?




Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/14 01:05:08
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>

Dear Mr. Honkomp,
    Thank you for your insight.  Some folks have said that the name of Gortemoller is not correct in Germany.  In this
country two branches of the family spell the name in two different ways.  Goettemoeller and Gottemoller.  We have a few
souls who spell it Gottemoeller.  I will try to contact the person whose address you gave me, but the Tangemann line has
been rather well researched.  That family lived in Neuenkirchen by Vorden from the 1600's and are so recorded in the church
records.  It is the Becker-Gottemoller family that is the mystery.  Elizabeth Tangemann went to Vorden to marry Mr. Korte,
was widowed and then married Johann Heinrich.  I Have read through microfilms with the emigrants from OLdenburg but could
not find them.  Now I know I may have been in the wrong area.  Osnabruck is where I will look next.  Thank you very much.
Do you have any suggestions for the surname Johann Heinrich may have had, if Gortemoller is not correct.  Thank you
Sophie Gottemoller

Werner Honkomp wrote:

> This is the wrong list for you. Kloster Lage and Rieste is located in Osnabrück county, you should go to Hannover-List.
>
> The name Gortemoller or all variation of this you can't find in Germany.
> But the German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de) shows in Rieste this address of a farmer:
>
> Tangemann-Stickfort, Aloys Bauer  phone (05493) 241
>   Bieste
>   49597 Rieste
>
> There you can find also 3 Korte addresses.
>
> Werner
>
> > To the listers who may be able to help:
> > My husband's ancestors came from the Oldenburg area.  His name was
> > Johann Heinrich Joseph Gortemoller, born 18 May 1800, Kloster Lage,
> > Rieste ?.  Married Elizabeth Tangemann Korte Gortemoller and came to the
> > United States 1836-37.  Cannot find the name of the village they lived
> > in or when exactly they did emigrate.  Do know that Johann Heinrich's
> > father was Johann Bernard Joseph Gortemoller nee Becker born 1768 but
> > can go no furthur back than that time period.  Can anyone help?  I wish
> > I had studied German for longer than two years since after 50 years I
> > remember very little.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you
> > in advance.
> > Sophie Gottemoller
>
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[OL]Places

Date: 2001/08/14 01:32:16
From: FloraMarie <FloraMarie(a)aol.com>

I got mail last week in response to my request last year for information on 
my great grandfather.  The 2 birth records that I received might possibly 
have been for his brothers.  It looks to me like the places of residence 
shown are Coldewey and Popkenhose.  I would appreciate it very much if anyone 
can tell me anything about these places.
Thank you.
Flora Strickhausen


[OL]re: BRUETT Inquiry

Date: 2001/08/14 01:34:39
From: M Wethington <mwethington(a)home.com>

Hi Hermann Brütt,

Do you have any idea for a location or date in the U.S. for your BRUETTS

etc?

If not, I found too many BRUETTS to count on the familyserch.org web
site.
Maybe one of them is yours.

Also, use the cynidslist.com web site for many United States links and
resources.
Scroll down to United States section.
There are thousands of links for U.S. information here.
Much of it is free.

Good luck,
Marilyn

Bruett43(a)aol.com wrote:

 Hello all of You,
 does somebody of our American friends have any dates or informations
at the
 surnames BRUETT, BRUETTE, BRUITT, BRUTT, BRUTTE or any varies
 writing. Any help will be appreciated.
 Best regards
 Hermann Brütt from Germany!
>



Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/14 05:18:53
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Sophie,

For research in Voerden kirchebbucher or stadt records you are just below
Oldenburg and into Osnabrueck. Sadly, these records were not made available
to LDS for photo-copying.

I am currently having a professional genealogist research in Osnabrueck for
my possible ancestor, from Vorden, who emigrated to Cincinnati.

The Osnabrueck Catholic Diocesan Archives are available for personal
research by appointment only, ten weeks or so in advance.  Write to my
personal email address if you care to follow through further.

Bob, rniehaus(a)mindspring.com




AW: AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne

Date: 2001/08/14 06:10:12
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Danke, die Hempelmann-Seite habe ich, aber leider sind da keine älteren genealogischen
Zusammenhänge drauf.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Hubert Bomas
http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Felschen
> Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2001 18:35
> An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: Re: AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne
>
>
> Hallo Herr Bomas,
> die Daten habe ich aus 	PAGENSTERT, CLEMENS: Lohner Familien. Ein Beitrag zur
> Heimatkunde. Vechta 1927. Im Internet bei BLÖMER, B.:
> http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/, dann "Bücher", dann "Lohner Familien"
> Im Inhaltsverzeichnis habe ich Hempelmann, Nordlohne gefunden, weiter habe ich
> allerdings nicht geguckt.
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Otto Felschen
>
>
>
>
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AW: AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne

Date: 2001/08/14 07:06:13
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Danke Werner,

die Elisabeth Hempelmann und der Conrad Korte, das sind meine Ahnen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Hubert Bomas
http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Werner Honkomp
> Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2001 19:04
> An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: Re: AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne
>
>
> Da die Kirchenbücher in Lohne erst um 1680 beginnen wird man kaum die Eltern
> ausfindig machen können.
> Die ältesten Einträge im Buch Lohner-Familien beziehen sich auf dem Zeller
> Hempelmann mit folgenden Einträgen:
>
> - 1545 Johann Hempelmann und Frau Tale.
> - 1565 Heinrich Hempelmann und Frau Kath.
>
> Im Lohner Kirchenbuchregister sind ältesten Einträge Für Elisabeth Hempelmann:
>
> * um 1631 , +31.07.1701 (70), vidua
> * um 1665 , +31.12.1711 (46), oo 16.11.1700 Herbert Punt
> * ?? oo 04.11.1697 in Twistringen Conrad Kort aus Twistringen
> * 21.06.1686 Eltern: Johann Hemplemann - Natalia Punt +03.03.1706 (19)
>
> Werner
>
> > Hallo Herr Felschen,
>
> > mich würde interessieren, welche Quellen Sie für Ihre Daten benutzt haben.
>
> > Ich habe eine Elisabeth Hempelman aus dem Kirchspiel Lohne in meiner
> > Ahnenliste. Ihr
> > berechnetes Geburtsjahr ist 1669. Habe ich eine Chance, die Eltern
> > ausfindig zu machen?
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Re: [OL]Places

Date: 2001/08/14 13:17:16
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Coldewey and Popkenhoege are villages in the northwestern part of Oldenburg. 
They both are part of the parish of Strueckhausen.
Gerold Diers



Re: [OL]Places

Date: 2001/08/14 13:52:15
From: Gerd Frerichs <gerd_frerichs(a)compuserve.com>

Coldewei is a place in the north of Wilhelmshaven near Fedderwarden, Gr.
Popkenhausen is the name of few houses also in the north of Wilhelmshaven near
Hooksiel.
Gerd Frerichs

FloraMarie(a)aol.com schrieb:

>
> I got mail last week in response to my request last year for information on
> my great grandfather.  The 2 birth records that I received might possibly
> have been for his brothers.  It looks to me like the places of residence
> shown are Coldewey and Popkenhose.  I would appreciate it very much if anyone
> can tell me anything about these places.
> Thank you.
> Flora Strickhausen
>
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Re: [OL]Places

Date: 2001/08/14 17:41:34
From: FloraMarie <FloraMarie(a)aol.com>

Thanks very much to Gerold Diers and Gerd Frerichs for the information on the 
places I asked about.  I had tried geo(a)genealogy.net at the time I received 
the letter and when not found there, I decided either the villages must be 
very small or I was not spelling them correctly. 

Flora 


Re: [OL]Places around Strückhausen

Date: 2001/08/14 18:52:54
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Flora,

we have two Coldewey villages, one is a part of the town Wilhelmshaven (port on the Northsea) and the other is a part of the Community Ovelgönne.
Popkenhose should be Popkenhöge, this village is also a part of Ovelgönne on the borader to Coldewey.
The next corner is Strückhauser-Altendorf, Strückhausermoor and Strückhauser-Kirchdorf, also parts of Ovelgönne today.

I hope this help.

Werner

> I got mail last week in response to my request last year for information
> on
> my great grandfather.  The 2 birth records that I received might possibly
> have been for his brothers.  It looks to me like the places of residence
> shown are Coldewey and Popkenhose.  I would appreciate it very much if
> anyone
> can tell me anything about these places.
> Thank you.
> Flora Strickhausen

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[OL]Suche nach Fam Voß und Vorstellung

Date: 2001/08/14 20:09:46
From: Martin Hahn <kiki-andrea(a)ngi.de>

Hallo Liste, bzw hallo Leute !!!
Ich bin nun auch in Eurer Liste und möchte mich nun hier Vorstellen.
Mein Name ist Martin Hahn und ich komme aus Koblenz am Rhein. Zur Zeit lebe ich an der Mosel, forsche aber in Thüringen, wo meine Namensgebende Linie seit ca. 1600 herstammt. In SH bzw. in Oldenburg und Umgebung erst seit kurzem, da meine Mutter nun erst mit der Sprache rausgerückt hat, wo sie herkommt. Sie kam als uneheliches Kind zur Welt, was ihr einige Probleme bereitete. Aber ich konnte sie weichklopfen und habe nun sogar, hurra welche Freude, den seltenen Glückstreffer gelandet, den Namen ihres leiblichen Vaters herausbekommen.
Hier möchte ich im folgenden die Ahnen meiner Mutter auflisten in der Hoffnung, irgendjemandem von Euch fäält eine Übereinstimmung auf. Angefangen bei meiner Mutter Nr. 1 ; Ihr Vater Nr. 2 ; Ihre Mutter Nr. 3 etc.
    a.. 1. Waltraud Voß *03.02.1937 in Oldenburg
    b.. 2. Karl Pissarczyk (der leibliche Vater)
    c.. 3. Wilma Marie Voß *27.01.1917 in Oldenburg
                                  1. Ehe 1940 mit Hr Martens in Delmenhorst
                                  2. Ehe 25.05.1946 mit Gustav Pekarsky  in Oldenburg
    d.. 6. Hermann Heinrich Voß *22.04.1889 in Oldenburg
                                        Ehe 06.12.1919 in Oldenburg
                                          +08.02.1959 in Oldenburg
    e.. 7. Gesine Gerhardine Heinen-Hollerorth 
    f.. 12.August Friedrich Ludwig Hermann Voß
    g.. 13. Henriette Hermine Ernestine Grave
    h.. 14. Johann Gerhard Karl Heinen-Hollerorth
    i.. 15. Maria Catherina Remmers
Wer kann mir Angaben zu diesen Linie machen? Wer kann mir sagen, i´n welchen Kirchenbüchern ich suchen muß? Die meisten kommen aus Oldenburg und sind katholisch. Ich kenne mich in Oldenburg leider überhaupt nicht aus und kenne somit auch keine einzige Kirche. 
Da ich in 10 Tagen in den Urlaub an die Nordsee fahre, wäre es toll zu wissen, daß sich ein Abstecher in Sachen Familienforschung lohnen würde. 
Ich verabschiede mich nun und hoffe auf zahlreiche Antworten mit dem Verweis auf meine Homepage, wo Ihr alle meine Ahnen nachschauen könnt. Zur Zeit leider noch ohne Funktion, aber ich arbeite daran und verspreche Euch, in 2-3 Tagen ist alles in Ordnung. www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen.de
Bis dann Kiki ( Martin Hahn )


Re: [OL]Places around Strückhausen

Date: 2001/08/14 21:34:26
From: FloraMarie <FloraMarie(a)aol.com>

Hello Werner,

I surely appreciate the information on Popkenhoge, but I cannot find it on my 
map   I have now found Coldewey by Struckhausermoor on a copy map I made of 
the area in which I am most interested because of my great-grandfather that 
is an enlargement (about 1mm = 1km) from a detailed German map of the area 
showing  212 from Rodenkirchen to Elsfleth and is centered where 211 goes by 
the Struckhauser villages in Overgonne to near Oberhorne.  

The birth records I received were for Johann Hinrich born 18-10-1832 in 
Coldewey and Christian Gerhard born 5-11-1841 in Popkenhoje and I had 
wondered if the two villages were close to each other.  Since my Johann 
Dietrich was born 23-8-1835, I think there is a chance that these might be 
his brothers or cousins.  Although most US records of Johann D were 
Strickhausen, the only records I have seen in his own handwriting were on his 
will and a military record he signed J D Strückhausen.

Thank you
Flora 




[OL]Vorstellung

Date: 2001/08/14 22:23:17
From: JETDOC2 <JETDOC2(a)aol.com>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

ich moechte mich auch kurz vorstellen. Mein Name ist Monika Ayers. Ich bin 
aus Bremen wohne aber in der Naehe von Pirmasens. Habe auch einige Vorfahren 
aus Damme, Lohne, Steinfeld und Holdorf. Vielleicht ist ja jemand dabei der 
die gleichen Name wie ich erforscht. Peppersack, Graever, Fraunsmann, von 
Handrup,  Mesche, Macke, Brokamp, Loeffler, Sextro.

1. Johann Auf dem Mesche.
 
5 May 1732 Johann heiratet Maria Brokamp.
 
Kinder:
     2    i. Margaretha Angela
         ii. Catharina Elisabeth. geboren 20 Aug 1749.

 2. Margaretha Angela Mescher. Am 8 Jan 1769 Margaretha Angela oo
Peter Peppersack.
Kind:
3    i. Joan Henrich (1776-1829) 
 
3. Joan Henrich Peppersack. * Sep 1776 in Aus Burdieks Leibzucht zu 
Osterfeine. Joan Henrich + 29 Mar 1829, Beruf: Heuerleute. 18 Jan 1801 oo 
Maria Angela Wilke Macke, Tochter Henrich Wilken Macke & Catr. Angela Kl. 
Klönne. * 3 Aug 1775. Maria Angela + 18 Jul 1858, 
Kind:
4    i. Bernhard Heinrich (1808-1884)


4. Bernhard Heinrich Peppersack. * 1808 in Damme. Bernhard Heinrich + 29 Jul 
1884,  Beerdigt in St. Joseph Cemetary, Le Mars, Iowa. Beruf: Zimmermann. 
Bernhard Heinrich oo Catharina Maria Sextro Tochter von Bernd Sextro & 
Elisabeth von Handrup. * 2 Jan 1815. Catharina Maria +  18 May 1847 in Damme. 
Kinder:
5    i. Johann Bernhard (1835-)  oo mit Elisabeth Fraunsmann
6   ii. Heinrich(Henry) (1855-1924) ausgewandert in die USA 1882. 

6. Heinrich (Henry) Peppersack. * 14 Jun 1855 in Haverbeck, Kreis Damme. 
Heinrich (Henry) +Le Mars, Iowa  13 Dec 1924, Beerdigt 17 Dec 1924 in St. 
Joseph Cemetery, Le Mars, Iowa. Beruf: Farmer.  9 Jan 1883 oo Maria Elizabeth 
 Grafer (Graever), Tochter von Anton Graever & Maria Charlotte Löffler, in 
Steinfeld, Kreis Damme, Germany. * 22 Jan 1858 in Lohne. Maria Elizabeth + Le 
Mars, Iowa  8 Sept 1928, 

Gruss Monika Ayers





















Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/14 22:40:33
From: Ralph Somers <rsommers(a)cinci.rr.com>

Dinklage List?   Where does one find the name list from Dinklage?   I am
researching my family names:  Bockhorst, Grote, Konderding  who were
Catholics from the Oldenburg area.

Appreciate any help.

Helen Somers
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From: <Caeser1932(a)aol.com>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage


> Jean
>   I noticed that you have the name Hinxlage on your Dinklage list. My ggm
was
> Elizabeth Hinxlage from Dinklage b. 1835. She immirated to Covington, Ky
> circa 1850. Do you have any information on the Hinxlage family in
Dinklage?
>                     Jerry Twohig
>                       caeser1932(a)aol.com
>
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Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage

Date: 2001/08/14 22:59:34
From: Darrell Schulte <dschulte(a)facstaff.wisc.edu>

At 4:33 PM -0400 8/14/01, Ralph Somers mused, then wrote:
Dinklage List?   Where does one find the name list from Dinklage?   I am
researching my family names:  Bockhorst, Grote, Konderding  who were
Catholics from the Oldenburg area.

Helen, the email below refers to a posting by (cousin) Jean with a listing of the surnames she is researching that have ties to Dinklage.

There is a nifty list, "A list of people who lived in Dinklage between 1826 and 1926 (not complete)" at http://www.datenautobahn.de/dinklage-hv/names.htm.

Your Bockhorst and Grote names are on this list.

Best of luck.

----- Original Message -----
From: <Caeser1932(a)aol.com>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage


 Jean
   I noticed that you have the name Hinxlage on your Dinklage list. My ggm
was
 Elizabeth Hinxlage from Dinklage b. 1835. She immirated to Covington, Ky
 circa 1850. Do you have any information on the Hinxlage family in
Dinklage?
 >                     Jerry Twohig
 >                       caeser1932(a)aol.com

Darrell
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Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage-LAMPING, KELLER, BERKMEYER

Date: 2001/08/15 00:22:07
From: Josiebanks <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>

Darrell,
         I was unable to access the Dinklage list.  I had family living there 
from before 1790 to JAN. 1850, when some of them emigrated to St. Louis, MO.

KELLER,  Franz Joseph, m. BERKMEYER, Maria Theresia
   children: 1) Maria Theresa
                      m. LAMPING, Franz Heinrich

                    2) Bernard Franz Anton, b. 28 Nov 1804
                     m. 1835, VERBEEK, Elizabeth, b.1 May 1819
                         dau of VERBEEK , Jacob and TABELING, Margaretha 
Bernardina

LAMPING, Franz Heinrich and KELLER, Maria Theresa  m. abt. 1820
    children:  Wilhelm, b. circa 1824
                 5) Johan Theodore, b. 2-10-1831; d. 8-27-1831
                 7) Fredereka J., b. 2-20-1833
                 8) Therese Elizabeth, b. 4-29-1836; d. 10-11-1836
                 9) Clemens August, b. 6-20-1838
                10) Anna Catherina, b. 2-22-1841

         Franz and three of the children, Wilhelm, Fredereka, and Clemens 
emigrated in Jan. 1850.  I would like any further information on this family. 
  Who were children 1-4 and 6?  What happened to Maria Theresa and the other 
remaining children? 
         Are Church records for Dinklage available at LDS?  I would be 
grateful for any recommendations as to where to acquire more information.
         Jo Westendorf Banks


Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/15 03:50:08
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>

Hi Bob,
    My ancestors certainly placed themselves in areas where information is not
widely available.  My Dad came from Bialystok, Poland where the Bishops did not
allow the LDS to microfilm either.  Fortunately, the pastor at his parish is
cooperative- I will know shortly.
    Any information you can give me about methods of research are greatly
appreciated.  I would have to check with my husband about the cost of a
professional but it would be cheaper than a trip to Germany (which I would love
but....).  Jack is having a "seeding" procedure for prostate cancer on Thursday
and so any long range plans are out.  But please tell me how to go about
arranging for a professional, as well as costs involved. Thank you.
Sophie

Bob Niehaus wrote:

> Sophie,
>
> For research in Voerden kirchebbucher or stadt records you are just below
> Oldenburg and into Osnabrueck. Sadly, these records were not made available
> to LDS for photo-copying.
>
> I am currently having a professional genealogist research in Osnabrueck for
> my possible ancestor, from Vorden, who emigrated to Cincinnati.
>
> The Osnabrueck Catholic Diocesan Archives are available for personal
> research by appointment only, ten weeks or so in advance.  Write to my
> personal email address if you care to follow through further.
>
> Bob, rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
>
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Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage-LAMPING, KELLER, BERKMEYER

Date: 2001/08/15 05:01:01
From: Ralph Somers <rsommers(a)cinci.rr.com>

LDS Church film numbers of Catholic church records in Dinklage (AG.Vechta)
Oldenburg Germany
909917 Years 1668-1725
909918 Years 1726-1811 Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths
909918 years 1811-1835 Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths
        Plus Baptisms 1832-1859
909920   yrs. 1835 - 1859  Marriages, Deaths, Baptisms 1860 - 1875
909921 Marriages, deaths  1860-1875
I have not yet viewed these films.  I found this information online at
www.familysearch.org in the Family History Library Catalog section.   The
records are of course in German or Latin.
There is also a section at the website for information on where to find your
nearest Family History Center where you can rent the films.
Hope this helps.
Helen Somers
----- Original Message -----
From: <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage-LAMPING, KELLER, BERKMEYER


> Darrell,
>          I was unable to access the Dinklage list.  I had family living
there
> from before 1790 to JAN. 1850, when some of them emigrated to St. Louis,
MO.
>
> KELLER,  Franz Joseph, m. BERKMEYER, Maria Theresia
>    children: 1) Maria Theresa
>                       m. LAMPING, Franz Heinrich
>
>                     2) Bernard Franz Anton, b. 28 Nov 1804
>                      m. 1835, VERBEEK, Elizabeth, b.1 May 1819
>                          dau of VERBEEK , Jacob and TABELING, Margaretha
> Bernardina
>
> LAMPING, Franz Heinrich and KELLER, Maria Theresa  m. abt. 1820
>     children:  Wilhelm, b. circa 1824
>                  5) Johan Theodore, b. 2-10-1831; d. 8-27-1831
>                  7) Fredereka J., b. 2-20-1833
>                  8) Therese Elizabeth, b. 4-29-1836; d. 10-11-1836
>                  9) Clemens August, b. 6-20-1838
>                 10) Anna Catherina, b. 2-22-1841
>
>          Franz and three of the children, Wilhelm, Fredereka, and Clemens
> emigrated in Jan. 1850.  I would like any further information on this
family.
>   Who were children 1-4 and 6?  What happened to Maria Theresa and the
other
> remaining children?
>          Are Church records for Dinklage available at LDS?  I would be
> grateful for any recommendations as to where to acquire more information.
>          Jo Westendorf Banks
>
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[OL]Homepage genealogy Luckens

Date: 2001/08/15 11:11:32
From: Yair Malachi <malachiy(a)012.net.il>

 Dear list,
Thanks to the assistance of some members of this list, I was able to
build my familytree and put it on the web.
My german ancestors by the name of Lucke(ns)  and  Speckmann came from
the Grossenkneten and Wardenburg area.
For anyone interested in the data, here is the URL of the site:

http://home.hccnet.nl/aad.moget/LuckensTree/surnames.htm

This page is part of a site containing dutch ancestors as well, so I
apologize for the mix of german/dutch/english text. I did not yet find a
solution for this problem. (Maybe write it all in french?)

Regards,
Yair Malachi

Attachment: List of Surnames.url
Description: Binary data

Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/15 16:06:46
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Sophie,

Please email me directly at: rniehau(a)mindspring.com.  I will send info
privately to you.   Bob



Re: [OL]Places around Strückhausen

Date: 2001/08/15 17:44:46
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hello Flora,
please write directly to Juergen Rode (j.rode(a)t-online.de). He is our expert 
for the parish of Strückhausen.
Gerold 


Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage-LAMPING, KELLER, BERKMEYER

Date: 2001/08/15 21:13:23
From: Josiebanks <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>

Thank you, Helen
         These numbers will be extremely helpful on my next trip to LDS.  Jo


[OL]Homepage funktioniert

Date: 2001/08/15 22:00:20
From: Martin Hahn <kiki-andrea(a)ngi.de>

Hallo Leute !!!
Ich wollte nur bescheid sagen, daß meine Homepage nun endlich funktioniert. Eine umfangreiche Ahnenforschungsseite ist auch enthalten. Viel Spass beim stöbern.
MFG Martin Hahn ( Kiki )


Re: [OL]Suche nach Fam Voß und Vors tellung

Date: 2001/08/16 14:30:06
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Für die Suche nach Stadt-Oldenburger Vorfahren empfiehlt sich der Besuch des 
Staatsarchivs, Damm 43, in Oldenburg. Es ist werktäglich von 8 - 16 Uhr 
geöffnet. Dort sind die ev.-luth. Kirchenbücher der Stadt einschl. der 
Vororte einsehbar (Bestand 250). Bei katholischen Vorfahren fangen Sie am 
besten bei der St. Peter Gemeinde, Oldenburg, Georgstr. an - oder beim Archiv 
des Bischöflich - Münsterschen Offizialats in Vechta.
Gerold Diers


[OL]Ferneding

Date: 2001/08/16 20:03:56
From: Lnnxs <Lnnxs(a)aol.com>

I have a relative who was Bernardina Ferneding from Ihorst. Married Bernhard 
Sieve in 1820 (also from Ihorst) at St. Victor's Church.


Re: [OL]Grote, Konerding

Date: 2001/08/16 21:22:17
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> Dinklage List?   Where does one find the name list from Dinklage?   I am
> researching my family names:  Bockhorst, Grote, Konderding  who were
> Catholics from the Oldenburg area.

Hello Helen,
the Lohne Church-Register show one Konerding record:

Konerding Anna Margaretha, *09.Dec.1745 in Lohne, mother: Anna Margaretha Fortmann, not the father and nor Date of died or marriage.

But this register shows about 30 Grote records.

Some Grote records also in Steinfeld,Vechta and Konerding records in Vechta

Werner


Re: [OL]Bernadina Ferneding

Date: 2001/08/17 00:04:22
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Lnnxs,

I have Ferneding ancestors from Holdorf, Damme, but not directly this
family.  I do have a GEDCOM for the family of Ferdinand (Hoeltermann)
Ferneding and Maria Elisabeth Rohling of Ihorst, whose daughter Bernadina
was born 3 July 1800.  I do not have further information on Bernadina,
except the names of 11 of her brothers and sisters, with more information on
them and their parents.

Do you want this info sent to you?  I am interested in whatever Ferneding
family info you have for this family in Oldenburg.

Regards, Bob



Antw: Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/17 08:28:41
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

TANGEMANN is an old farm in the church parish Goldenstedt (filmed by the Mormons)

Greetings 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz

>>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 13.08.2001  15.45 Uhr >>>
Hello Bob and Sophie,

While everything Bob said is true, I think that it is possible and even likely that your husband's ancestors came from Rieste.  It is a small village in Hannover, right over the border from the Neuenkirchen that Bob mentioned.  Also, the sacramental recrods for the people of Rieste are located at Kloster Lage, at least in the mid-1700's.  Since your birth information contains a reference to both Rieste and Kloster Lage, I think Rieste is your likely location.

I had some records researched for my Rieste ancestors by Falk Liebezeit (a professional researcher who is also a member of this list) a little over a month ago, and the records were held at Kloster Lage.  Only a small amount of the town's vital records were filmed by the Mormans.  From the dates (1808 - 1811 (i.e., Napoleon) and after 1854 to abt 1871), I believe the only records filmed were some type of civil records.  The Diocese of Hannover did not let the Mormans film their records like the Diocese of Munster did.  

If your husband's ancestors had come from Bieste, Bob is correct that there records would be held in Neuenkirchen's churchbooks and they are available from the Mormans.

I have seen the name Tangemann in the church records in Oldenburger Munsterland, but I can't remember which town for sure off the top of my head.  I believe it was in Damme's churchbooks.  I can check my copy of Pagenstert when I get home, or perhaps somebody else on the list has a copy handy and can look up what village the Tangemann farm was in.  That would at least suggest a good place to start looking.  

I think that I have seen the Becker name in Neuenkirchen's churchbooks.  Also, I'll mention a point you might already be aware of.  Since the father's name was Gortemoller nee (i.e., born) Becker, the father changed his name to Gortemoller, probably when he took over the Gortemoller farm.  This most commonly occured when a man married the daughter of a farm owner who had no sons and the farm was inherited by or through (I have never been completely clear on that point) the daughter/wife.  I have also seen a name change once in the Munster Diocese (Hochstift) where a man purchased a farm.

Hope this helps, 

Don

Bob Niehaus wrote:
<<My Niehaus ancestors are also from Archduchy of Oldenburg.  Your <Rieste> is
likely<Bieste>, which is a village about two miles west of Neuenkirchen,
Damme, in the southernmost part of Oldenburg.  There was a <Lage Kloster> or
Lage Cloister or Monastery, about two miles SW of Neuenkirchen. The
monastery was begun in the 13th century by the Knights of St. John to care
for indigents and the sick, and it was owned and run by the Benedictine
Order as a monastery and school in the latter 18th into the19th century, and
may still be, today.  A considerable number of emigrants from southern
Oldenburg came to Cincinnati, western Ohio and southern Indiana, and some to
Illinois and St. Louis.  Our hometown is Cincinnati.

I can provide you with LDS (Mormon) tape numbers that you can arrange to
rent from the nearest LDS Family History for the Neunkirchen Catholic
Kirchenbucher (parish record books) These will provide, in original
handwriting of the pastors, baptisms, marriages and deaths for the parishes
there.  Since you know the name and birth, death and approx. marriage dates
of your husband's Gortemoller ancestors you may find more generations and
names without much trouble.  I suggest a you buy a soft bound Websters New
World German Dictionary.  With some patience you can translate many passages
and words yourself.  Also, the Catholic Church records were written at least
partially in Latin, another solvable puzzle. The handwriting and old German
script is another challenge, requiring patrince.

Werner Honkomp in that region of Germany is much more expert than I.  He
will likely also respond with more helpful information for you.

Regards,     Bob Niehaus>>

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Antw: [OL]Suche nach Fam Voß und Vo rstellung

Date: 2001/08/17 09:03:36
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

HEINEN-HOLLERORTH muesste in Varel zu finden sein:
im Niedersaechsischen Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg steht eine Verkartung der Kirchenbuecher Varel 1825 - 1874, die muesste erstmal weiterhelfen,
Herr Herrmann Oltmanns (Papenweg 5, 59494 Soest, Tel. 02921-71833) kann vielleicht auch Auskunft geben.

Gruss 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz

>>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 14.08.2001  20.14 Uhr >>>
Hallo Liste, bzw hallo Leute !!!
Ich bin nun auch in Eurer Liste und möchte mich nun hier Vorstellen.
Mein Name ist Martin Hahn und ich komme aus Koblenz am Rhein. Zur Zeit lebe ich an der Mosel, forsche aber in Thüringen, wo meine Namensgebende Linie seit ca. 1600 herstammt. In SH bzw. in Oldenburg und Umgebung erst seit kurzem, da meine Mutter nun erst mit der Sprache rausgerückt hat, wo sie herkommt. Sie kam als uneheliches Kind zur Welt, was ihr einige Probleme bereitete. Aber ich konnte sie weichklopfen und habe nun sogar, hurra welche Freude, den seltenen Glückstreffer gelandet, den Namen ihres leiblichen Vaters herausbekommen.
Hier möchte ich im folgenden die Ahnen meiner Mutter auflisten in der Hoffnung, irgendjemandem von Euch fäält eine Übereinstimmung auf. Angefangen bei meiner Mutter Nr. 1 ; Ihr Vater Nr. 2 ; Ihre Mutter Nr. 3 etc.
    a.. 1. Waltraud Voß *03.02.1937 in Oldenburg
    b.. 2. Karl Pissarczyk (der leibliche Vater)
    c.. 3. Wilma Marie Voß *27.01.1917 in Oldenburg
                                  1. Ehe 1940 mit Hr Martens in Delmenhorst
                                  2. Ehe 25.05.1946 mit Gustav Pekarsky  in Oldenburg
    d.. 6. Hermann Heinrich Voß *22.04.1889 in Oldenburg
                                        Ehe 06.12.1919 in Oldenburg
                                          +08.02.1959 in Oldenburg
    e.. 7. Gesine Gerhardine Heinen-Hollerorth 
    f.. 12.August Friedrich Ludwig Hermann Voß
    g.. 13. Henriette Hermine Ernestine Grave
    h.. 14. Johann Gerhard Karl Heinen-Hollerorth
    i.. 15. Maria Catherina Remmers
Wer kann mir Angaben zu diesen Linie machen? Wer kann mir sagen, i n welchen Kirchenbüchern ich suchen muß? Die meisten kommen aus Oldenburg und sind katholisch. Ich kenne mich in Oldenburg leider überhaupt nicht aus und kenne somit auch keine einzige Kirche. 
Da ich in 10 Tagen in den Urlaub an die Nordsee fahre, wäre es toll zu wissen, daß sich ein Abstecher in Sachen Familienforschung lohnen würde. 
Ich verabschiede mich nun und hoffe auf zahlreiche Antworten mit dem Verweis auf meine Homepage, wo Ihr alle meine Ahnen nachschauen könnt. Zur Zeit leider noch ohne Funktion, aber ich arbeite daran und verspreche Euch, in 2-3 Tagen ist alles in Ordnung. www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen.de 
Bis dann Kiki ( Martin Hahn )

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SV: Antw: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden.

Date: 2001/08/17 12:08:55
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

God dag fru Fick, 

Det er ikke dansk jeg taler, men jeg laerte norsk hjemme: min mor er fra Oslo, hvor de jo snakker riksmaal som er jo bare litt nypusset dansk, men det hoeres anderledes. 

Hilsen 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz

>>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 10.08.2001  12.03 Uhr >>>
Vielen Dank, Ich glaube auch das der Snssau, bei der stadt Oldenburg liegt.
Auf eine alte Ausweis vom 1917 steht es  S÷ssau, Holstein, Preussen, ich
habe immer geglaubt es war Snssow in Mechlenburg-Strelitz oder
Vorpommern,und dort war es auch verschiedene Fick.s aber ich vermisse die
verbindenen link. Ich danke fnr die adresse - 
NB:Taler De dansk eller er det computeren der oversµtter? Gruss Ester Fick,
Sonderborg.DK 

 

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Antw: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families

Date: 2001/08/17 14:28:14
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

Dear Mr. Parrott, 

This is the e-mail-address of the Oldenburg state archives. They should have some notes about wine trading and contacts 
to Bordeaux: 


poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-ol.niedersachsen.de 


Sincerely yours 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz
(a 65 kilometres des archives d Oldenbourg)


>>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 12.08.2001  10.04 Uhr >>>
Dear List

Since I constantly receive endless copies of messages about other
genealogical inquiries, it seems odd to me that I have heard from no-one
about these three names.

I would be gratweful for any help, akso for any useful e mail addresses for
central historical or genealogical archives in Oldenburg. I presume there
must also be some documentation about prominent Oldenburgers active in the
wine trade in the late 18th/early 20th centuries.

Can anyone kindly give me a very brief summary of what the Grandduchy's
status was during the Napoleonic wars ? I've read that there was a biref
occupation but what happened later ?

Regards

Jasper PARROTT

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Subject:	[OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families





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I asm interested in researching the connection between three Oldenburg
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are:
Henri (or Heinrich ) Damann
Charles Louis Michaelsen
Frederic Louis Kuehlmann
Caroline Emilie Kuehlmann

Frederic Louis Kuehlmann was Consul for Oldenburg in Bordeaux in 1855
M.J. Michaelsen was Consul for Oldenburg in Bordeaux in 1867
Any help much appreciated.
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Re: Antw: Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/17 20:08:14
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> TANGEMANN is an old farm in the church parish Goldenstedt (filmed by the
> Mormons)

At the search for Thamann I have found following records in Neuenkirchen:

Bernardus Henrichs Corte, ex Vörden
married 5. Febr.1823 in Vörden to Anna Maria Elisabetha Tangemann, *25.Febr.1800
                                  Parents: Joh. Bern. Tangemann and Cath. Maria Blommendahl

Anna Maria Elisabeth Tangemann have 8 siblings, one of the is:

Joannes Gerhardus Henricus Tangemann, *22.Jan.1799 in Neuenkirchen, Schmied (Blacksmith) in Neuenkirchen
married 14.Febr.1831 to Anna Maria Möller
this family emigrated 1834 to America with 2 children


Re: Antw: Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/18 00:05:13
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>

Thank you very much.  I will order that filmstrip when I find the correct number.  If you find a marriage of
Anna Maria Elizabeth Tangemann Korte and my Henry (think now, only Moller) please, please let me know.  But
I will order that microfilm  I think that the folks in this family moved rather freely between Oldenburg and
Osnabreuck.  Thank you.
Sophie

Werner Honkomp wrote:

> > TANGEMANN is an old farm in the church parish Goldenstedt (filmed by the
> > Mormons)
>
> At the search for Thamann I have found following records in Neuenkirchen:
>
> Bernardus Henrichs Corte, ex Vörden
> married 5. Febr.1823 in Vörden to Anna Maria Elisabetha Tangemann, *25.Febr.1800
>                                   Parents: Joh. Bern. Tangemann and Cath. Maria Blommendahl
>
> Anna Maria Elisabeth Tangemann have 8 siblings, one of the is:
>
> Joannes Gerhardus Henricus Tangemann, *22.Jan.1799 in Neuenkirchen, Schmied (Blacksmith) in Neuenkirchen
> married 14.Febr.1831 to Anna Maria Möller
> this family emigrated 1834 to America with 2 children
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Re: Antw: Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/18 17:45:40
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> Thank you very much.  I will order that filmstrip when I find the correct
> number.  If you find a marriage of
> Anna Maria Elizabeth Tangemann Korte and my Henry (think now, only Moller)
> please, please let me know.  But
> I will order that microfilm  I think that the folks in this family moved
> rather freely between Oldenburg and
> Osnabreuck.  Thank you.
> Sophie

>>
>> Bernardus Henrichs Corte, ex Vörden (Hannover)
>> married 5. Febr.1823 in Vörden to Anna Maria Elisabetha Tangemann,
>> *25.Febr.1800
>>

Sophie, it is not clear for me,
assume you, that has died of Bernardus Henrich Korte early and Anna Maria Tangemann has married again a Henry Möller after that?


Werner


[OL]"Berliner Stammtisch"

Date: 2001/08/18 19:00:30
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Hallo in die Runden,

nachstehenden Text verschickte ich gerade an die Sachsen-mailingliste, und
dann fiel mir ein, auch in weiteren mailinglisten die Mitglieder aus Berlin
und drumrum anzusprechen.

Diejenigen, die in sämtlichen dieser im Adreßfeld zu sehenden mailinglisten
vertreten sind, bitte ich schon mal um Nachsicht, daß sie den Text nun
mehrfach bekommen.

> Was macht eigentlich der Stammtischtermin? Hoffentlich nicht im November,
da (...)

Hallo Susanne,

da du den "Berliner Stammtisch" erwähnst und jemand aus der Sachsen-Liste
aus dem Berliner Umland daran ebenfalls Interesse angemeldet hat, sollte ich
das vielleicht kurz erklären:

Seit ca. einem Jahr oder länger treffen sich so alle drei Monate die
Berliner/Umland Mitglieder der AMF-mailingliste zu einem Stammtisch. Die
wenigsten forschen in der gleichen Gegend. Anlaß für das erste Treffen war
einfach das persönliche Kennenlernen, das gemütliche Beisammensein mit
Gleichgesinnten. Aber auch Austausch über Quellenlagen in Berlin, ein
Referent der ev. Kirche kam hinzu und berichtete über Verfilmungen der
Berlin-Brandenburgischen Kirchenbücher u.a.

In der AMF-Runde sind wir zur Zeit um die 15 bis 20 Personen, wobei
natürlich nie alle kommen können, da anderweitige Verpflichtungen.

Gäste sind jederzeit willkommen, und man muß das ja auch nicht auf die AMF
beschränken. Ich weiß, daß in mehreren mailinglisten BerlinerInnen (und
drumrum natürlich) vertreten sind. Wer hätte denn aus dieser mailingliste
Interesse, daran teilzunehmen? Der nächste Termin steht noch nicht fest, ich
vermute, es tendiert gegen Oktober, wenn die Urlaubszeit vorbei ist.

Viele Grüße - Karin (Jacob)

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Re: Antw: Re: [OL]GORTIMULLER-GORTEMOLLER-KORTE-GOETTEMOELLER

Date: 2001/08/19 00:45:07
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>

Dear Werner,
    Sorry if I confused you.  Anna Marie Elizabeth Tangemann married BernardusHeinrich Korte in 1923.  They had two children, maybe
three (unsure of that).  Korte died and then in 1828 she married Johann Heinrich Gortemoller.  I added the Moller in my email note
to you, thinking maybe I have been looking for the wrong surname.  As far as anyone knows, Johann Heinrich's name was always
Gortemoller in Germany, but you mentioned that there is no such name in all of Germany.  So I don't know whether to search for
Johann Heinrich Gortemoller or Moller, but that is the same man.  They had three children in Germany ?, Elizabeth, Gertrude and
Bernard.  Came to the United States and three other children, Bernardine, Henry and Julia.  I do not know what happened to the Korte
children.  They could not have been very old when their Mother remarried and not even very old when she left Germany.
I apologize for the confusion . A.M.Elizabeth Tangemann Korte Gortemoller only married twice.
Thank you.
Sophie

Werner Honkomp wrote:

> > Thank you very much.  I will order that filmstrip when I find the correct
> > number.  If you find a marriage of
> > Anna Maria Elizabeth Tangemann Korte and my Henry (think now, only Moller)
> > please, please let me know.  But
> > I will order that microfilm  I think that the folks in this family moved
> > rather freely between Oldenburg and
> > Osnabreuck.  Thank you.
> > Sophie
>
> >>
> >> Bernardus Henrichs Corte, ex Vörden (Hannover)
> >> married 5. Febr.1823 in Vörden to Anna Maria Elisabetha Tangemann,
> >> *25.Febr.1800
> >>
>
> Sophie, it is not clear for me,
> assume you, that has died of Bernardus Henrich Korte early and Anna Maria Tangemann has married again a Henry Möller after that?
>
> Werner
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[OL]Is this the right list for Bippen...

Date: 2001/08/20 17:35:46
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>

I have a question that I would like to ask but am not sure if this list or 
the Oldenburg list is the correct one for the town of Bippen.  My ancestors 
in various census records at different times would state they came from both 
areas.  I suppose it depends on the time period??  The question I have is 
from 1839 to around 1845.

Thank you for any help sending me in the right direction.

Janet


Re: [OL]Is this the right list for Bippen...

Date: 2001/08/20 17:38:00
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>

Well, I meant Hannover.  I just copied and pasted what I sent to the Hannover 
list...should have paid more attention.  Sorry.

Janet


[OL]Oldenburg Consuls in Bordeaux

Date: 2001/08/20 17:38:40
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hello Mr. Parrott,
there is a file Nr. 70-7056 in the Oldenburg State Archive, which contains 
information about Oldenburg Consuls in Bordeaux during the 19th century.
According to that file there were the following persons:
1. 1814-1816 Christoph Bernhard Kuhlmann. He was born Nov. 27, 1765 or 1768 
in Bardewisch, Oldenburg. He died Jan. 26, 1816 in Bordeaux. 
2. 1816-1855 Justus Friedrich Focke. He was born in Magdeburg and he died in 
1855. He had no family relation to Oldenburg.
3. 1855-1867  Ludwig (Louis) Kuhlmann. He was the brother of Carl Bernhard 
Kuhlmann, (at that time an 'Amtmann' of the Oldenburg Government in Eutin) 
and he was a nephew of Christoph Bernhard Kuhlmann (see no. 1). 
He was also the brother-in-law of J. Michaelsen. 
4. 1867-          J. Michaelsen, who already was Prussian Consul in Bordeaux, 
became Consul for Oldenburg as well (after the death of Ludwig Kuhlmann in 
1867). 

There is no mention of the name 'Dammann'. 

All of the above were traders in Bordeaux. The file contains some letters, 
but no more personal data.

Regards
Gerold 


[OL]Sillje

Date: 2001/08/20 20:50:55
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>

Hallo liebe Forscherfreunde -

hat vielleicht jemand Näheres zu folgender Familie ?

Hanna Lisa Sillje, geb. am 5.10.1925 in Ganspe
Die Eltern sind Johann Wilhelm Sillje und Alma Henriette Kruse

Gruß von Irmi

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[OL]Knübel

Date: 2001/08/20 20:51:12
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>

Das fand ich in einem alten Zeitungsartikel :

Zum Familientag der Knübel
am 29 Mai 1938 in Bremen
(Zeitungsbericht vom 7.2.1938)

"Neben den von Bardenfleth, die schon einige Jahre vor dem Kreuzkrieg
nachzuweisen sind, stehen als uraltes osterstadisches Geschlecht die
Knübel, die ein paar Jahrzehnte später urkundlich nachzuweisen sind.
Bevor sie in Osterstade auftauchen, werden sie - ebenso wie die
Bardenfleth - in Stedingen, am linken Weserufer, genannt. .........."

Meine Knübel-Vorfahren stammen aus Hinnebeck (Kirchspiel Bruch) - ich
würde gern jemanden finden, der auch Knübel-Ahnen hat.
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RE: [OL]Oldenburg Consuls in Bordeaux

Date: 2001/08/21 14:53:44
From: Jasper Parrott <jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk>

Dear Herr Diers

This is brilliant and thank you very much. I'll ponder this a little but I
was obviously wrong in thinking that the Michaelsen family were also from
Oldenburg. 

Regards

Jasper Parrott

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	GDiers9488(a)aol.com [mailto:GDiers9488(a)aol.com]
		Sent:	20 August 2001 16:39
		To:	Jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk
		Cc:	Oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
		Subject:	[OL]Oldenburg Consuls in Bordeaux

		Hello Mr. Parrott,
		there is a file Nr. 70-7056 in the Oldenburg State Archive,
which contains 
		information about Oldenburg Consuls in Bordeaux during the
19th century.
		According to that file there were the following persons:
		1. 1814-1816 Christoph Bernhard Kuhlmann. He was born Nov.
27, 1765 or 1768 
		in Bardewisch, Oldenburg. He died Jan. 26, 1816 in Bordeaux.

		2. 1816-1855 Justus Friedrich Focke. He was born in
Magdeburg and he died in 
		1855. He had no family relation to Oldenburg.
		3. 1855-1867  Ludwig (Louis) Kuhlmann. He was the brother of
Carl Bernhard 
		Kuhlmann, (at that time an 'Amtmann' of the Oldenburg
Government in Eutin) 
		and he was a nephew of Christoph Bernhard Kuhlmann (see no.
1). 
		He was also the brother-in-law of J. Michaelsen. 
		4. 1867-          J. Michaelsen, who already was Prussian
Consul in Bordeaux, 
		became Consul for Oldenburg as well (after the death of
Ludwig Kuhlmann in 
		1867). 

		There is no mention of the name 'Dammann'. 

		All of the above were traders in Bordeaux. The file contains
some letters, 
		but no more personal data.

		Regards
		Gerold 

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[OL]Ohmstede

Date: 2001/08/21 17:08:57
From: HSchoon <HSchoon(a)aol.com>

Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder,
 brauche dringend Daten!!!! 
Ohmstede Johann Hinrich, verh mit Anne geb. Baumann, Neustadt 
sonst ist nichts bekannt
Sohn Gerhard Ohmstede geb. am 2.12.1822 in Neustadt, verh. mit
Catharine Sophie Wettermann geb. am 28.8.1831 
deren Sohn Friedrich Georg Ohmstede geb. am 18.10.1854 in Schmalenfleth
und Ehefrau Johanna Maria Wilhelmina Schau geb. am 20.1.1852 in Schmalenfleth

Vielen Dank!!



Re: [OL]Is this the right list for Bippen...

Date: 2001/08/21 17:30:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Bippen is located in Osnabrück county near Fürstenau and Ankum. Hannover ist the right list.

Werner


> I have a question that I would like to ask but am not sure if this list or
> the Oldenburg list is the correct one for the town of Bippen.  My
> ancestors
> in various census records at different times would state they came from
> both
> areas.  I suppose it depends on the time period??  The question I have is
> from 1839 to around 1845.

> Thank you for any help sending me in the right direction.

> Janet

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Re: [OL]Is this the right list for Bippen...

Date: 2001/08/22 05:15:56
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 8/21/01 8:31:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de writes:


> Bippen is located in Osnabrück county near Fürstenau and Ankum. Hannover ist 
> the right list.
> 
> Werner
> 
> 
> 

THANK-YOU, Werner!

Janet


Re: [OL]Ohmstede

Date: 2001/08/22 10:38:16
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Wohnplätze mit Namen Neustadt gibt es im Oldenburgischen in
1. Strückhausen
2. Neuenkirchen - Vechta
3. Hengsterholz, Kirchkimmen und Steinkimmen, alle in der Gemeinde 
Ganderkesee.
Ohmstedes sind wohl eher in Strückhausen oder Ganderkesee zu suchen.

Viel Glück
Gerold Diers (OGF)


Re: [OL]Ohmstede

Date: 2001/08/22 10:51:51
From: HSchoon <HSchoon(a)aol.com>

Hallo Gerold,
habe vergessen die Kirchengemeinde dazu zu schreiben.
Neustadt in der Kirchengemeinde Strückhausen. Trotzdem danke.
Kirsten


[OL]Webseite ganz erneuert

Date: 2001/08/22 16:16:24
From: Jos Onneweer <jos.onneweer(a)chello.nl>

Hallo Allen,

Wir haben unsere Webseite ganz erneuert und auch in Deutsch übersetzt.

Aus dem nächsten Gebieten kommen Vielen Namen und Daten:
:
· Noord-Holland (Westfriesland) en Oldenburg (D) > unter:
Onneweer
· Noord-Holland (Westfriesland) > unter: Smit
· Zuid-Holland (Rijnland) > unter: van Noort
· Utrecht (Amersfoort e.o.) > unter: Bauland
· Zeeland (Walcheren) > unter: Jeronimus
· Zeeland (Tholen) > unter: Ahnentafeln von Betsy
· Overijssel/Friesland (Weststellingwerf) > unter: Jagtman
· Nederlands Indië > unter: Bajetto und Osten
· Papenburg (Dld.) > unter: Lange
· West-Pruissen (heutigen Polen) > unter: kwartieren van Betsy
· Mettingen (D.) > unter: Ahnentafeln von Betsy
· Buer (D.) > unter: Bauland

Die Adresse: http://members1.chello.nl/~jos.onneweer

Mit freunlichen Grüßen,

Jos und betsy


[OL]Andreas Holtermann

Date: 2001/08/22 20:52:19
From: GerryS3307 <GerryS3307(a)aol.com>

Would anyone have information in their family tree on Andreas Friedrich 
Holtermann (born l764)?  He was my great great great grandfather.   He was a 
pastor in Hanover, but had relatives in Oldenburg.  Thank you for any 
information you may have to share with me.  
Carol


[OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im Oldenburger Münsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 16:35:24
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück:



Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren der Oldenburg-L-Liste,

ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und
Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger
Münsterland:

Gut Stedingsmühlen - Kirchspiel Molbergen
Gut Huckelrieden - Kirchspiel Löningen
Gut Duderstadt - Kirchspiel Löningen
Gut Bomhof - Nähe Vechta
Feste Lohburg - Kirchspiel Bakum
Gut Ihorst - Gemeinde Holdorf
Gut Füchtel - Vechta
Gut Lage - Nähe Essen(Oldb)
Gut Vehr - Nähe Quakenbrück(?)
Gut Calhorn - Nähe Essen(Oldb)
Gut Velthaus
Gut Arkenstedt
Gut Lethe - Halen/Baumweg
Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek
Gut Schwichteler - Kirchspiel Cappeln

sowie weitere Adelsgüter, die mir z. Z. nicht bekannt
sind.

Ich würde mich freuen, die eine oder andere Anregung
zu bekommen und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre
Antworten/Anregungen

Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück
Haesli2(a)yahoo.com

=====
I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)




AW: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im Ol denburger Münsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 17:41:29
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Lothar,
>
> ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und
> Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger
> Münsterland:
>
> Gut Stedingsmühlen - Kirchspiel Molbergen


Bitte an Familie Edith und Willy Grundmann wenden - sie sind die Betreiber
des Gutes Stedingsmühlen (Restaurant - übrigens hervorragend!!)
Sie wohnen auch dort und wissen so einiges...:-)

Adresse:
Restaurant Gut Stedingsmühlen
49696 Molbergen

Telephonnummer auf Anfrage

Gruß

Christian Delhey




Re: [OL]Andreas Holtermann

Date: 2001/08/23 19:19:41
From: Carsten Witting <cwitting(a)01019freenet.de>

> Would anyone have information in their family tree on Andreas Friedrich
> Holtermann (born l764)?
Andreas Friedrich Holtermann, * 16.09.1764 was 1791-1830 a pastor in Öse
(Bremen, Bremervörde).

best regards
Carsten Witting





Re: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im OldenburgerMünsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 20:01:04
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Lothar,

> Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück:
> ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und
> Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger
> Münsterland:

> Gut Lethe - Halen/Baumweg

Im Buch: Das Kirchspiel Emstek, zwischen Hexenberg und Desum von Hugo
Kemkes steht einiges zum Gut Lethe. Außdem kannst Du es bei der
Familie Dorgeloh versuchen, siehe
http://home.wtal.de/dorgerloh/index.html 

> Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek

Gut Diekhaus ist auch in obigem Buch erwähnt. Ansonsten wende Dich
einfach an den jetzigen Bewohner des Gutes Diekhaus: 

Otto Behrens, oder Wolfgang Behrens (Sohn von Otto)
Am Wegholt 7
49685 Emstek
Telefonnummer siehe http://www.telefonbuch.de/NSAPI/Anfrage

Herzliche Grüße

Jürgen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38100 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


Re: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im Ol denburger Münsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 20:26:18
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Moin,
ziemlich viele finden sich in dem Buch von Günter Müller, 293 Burgen und
Schlösser im Raum Oldenburg-Ostfriesland, es gibt zusätzlich einen
Ergänzungsband. Erschienen im Kayser-Vlg., Oldenburg.
MfG
Heiko Ahlers


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dem13(a)aol.com <Dem13(a)aol.com>
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 16:36
Betreff: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im Oldenburger
Münsterland


Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück:



Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren der Oldenburg-L-Liste,

ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und
Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger
Münsterland:

Gut Stedingsmühlen - Kirchspiel Molbergen
Gut Huckelrieden - Kirchspiel Löningen
Gut Duderstadt - Kirchspiel Löningen
Gut Bomhof - Nähe Vechta
Feste Lohburg - Kirchspiel Bakum
Gut Ihorst - Gemeinde Holdorf
Gut Füchtel - Vechta
Gut Lage - Nähe Essen(Oldb)
Gut Vehr - Nähe Quakenbrück(?)
Gut Calhorn - Nähe Essen(Oldb)
Gut Velthaus
Gut Arkenstedt
Gut Lethe - Halen/Baumweg
Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek
Gut Schwichteler - Kirchspiel Cappeln

sowie weitere Adelsgüter, die mir z. Z. nicht bekannt
sind.

Ich würde mich freuen, die eine oder andere Anregung
zu bekommen und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre
Antworten/Anregungen

Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück
Haesli2(a)yahoo.com

=====
I am researching for;
Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Fri
eling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wüb
belmann-(they all come from the area;
Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)



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Re: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im Oldenburger Münsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 20:42:26
From: fredrump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 23 Aug 2001, at 10:35, Dem13(a)aol.com wrote:

> Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück:

> ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und
> Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger
> Münsterland:

> Gut Lage - Nähe Essen(Oldb)
> Gut Vehr - Nähe Quakenbrück(?)
> Gut Calhorn - Nähe Essen(Oldb)
> Gut Velthaus
> Gut Arkenstedt
> Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek
> Gut Schwichteler - Kirchspiel Cappeln

> Ich würde mich freuen, die eine oder andere Anregung
> zu bekommen und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre
> Antworten/Anregungen

Hmm, was sind Anregungen? Die Familie meiner Frau wohnt auf
Gut Lage und Gut Vehr was immer Besuchsgebiet der
Schulklassen. Diekhaus und Schwichteler waren schon lange
keine Güter mehr. Das waren doch einfach vollberechtigte
(Ganzerbe) Bauern. Das haus Arkenstedt sitzt doch heute in dem
Museumsdorf oder nicht?

Jedenfalls könnte ich allerhand über diese Stellen herauskramen
aber das gibt es doch bestimmt alles schneller in Deutschland
direkt, oder nicht?

Zu Gut Lage kann ich kurz sagen das welche der Herren von Lutten
(Besitzer vom 14. Jh bis 1704) in der Essener Kirche ihre
Epigraphen im Kirchturm haben. Wahrscheinlich sind sie alle in
Essen begraben gewesen.

Jedenfalls gehörte das Gut ursprünglich zum Kloster Malgarten.
Dieses verkaufte das Gut in 1352 an Hermann von Pennthe, dann
hatten die v. Lutten den Besitz bis 1704. Ihnen folgten die Herren v.
Rochow bis 1810 und dann kamen die v. Rössing Leute ins Spiel.
Das Gut besass das 1/10 von Addrup.

Gut Vehr war immer so wie ein Dornröschenschloss und war aber
ziemlich am verfallen. Es get auf 1522 zurück wo es die v.
Schmerten besassen, von 1540-1650 v. Grothaus, von 1650-1783
Kobrink, Schade und v. Freydag, von 1783-1876 v. Elmendorf, dann
sv. Schorlemer bis ein Dr Welker das Gut bis in die Vorzeit
besass.

Diekhaus wurde schon in 1802 verstückt. Es gehörte im Anfang
den Quakenbrücker Burgmännern v. Brave (1523-1660), bis 1767 v.
Frese, bis 1802 v. Sonnenberg der es zerstücklete und verkaufte.

Von einem Gut Schwichtler habe ich noch nie gehört. Es gibt
natürlich die Bauerschaft in Cappeln aber dort waren dieVollerben
an Gut Schwede und Gut Strohe lehnshaft.

Es gibt viel mehr zu schreiben aber ich denke es würde sich
lohnen eben mal in einer Bibliothek das Buch von Nieman (1873)
"Geschichte der alten Grfschaft und des ehemaligen Münsterschen
Amtes Kloppenburg" durchzusehen. Dort gibt es längere Artikel
über die Geschichte der verschiedenen Burgen und Güter in der
Gegend. Es gibt auch eine Nachdruck dieses Buches sollte das
Originale nicht zu finden sein. ISBN 3-7963-0135-5 (1976)

Pagenstert hat natürlich auch seine Bücher zur Verfügung. Dann
kommen die verschiedenen Ortsgeschichten wo das selbe Material
auch behandelt wird.

Sollte etwas Bestimmtes gesucht werden bitte schreiben.

Fred


26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010
509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net


Re: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im Oldenburger Münsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 20:59:20
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Es gibt ein Buch mit dem Titel:
"Burgen und Schlösser im Oldenburger Land"
von Edgar F. Warnecke, Verlag Bültmann & Gerriets Oldenburg 1993
ISBN 3-920876-02-07

Ich weiß nicht ob es noch verfügbar ist.

Werner


> Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück:



> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren der Oldenburg-L-Liste,

> ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und
> Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger
> Münsterland:

> Gut Stedingsmühlen - Kirchspiel Molbergen
> Gut Huckelrieden - Kirchspiel Löningen
> Gut Duderstadt - Kirchspiel Löningen
> Gut Bomhof - Nähe Vechta
> Feste Lohburg - Kirchspiel Bakum
> Gut Ihorst - Gemeinde Holdorf
> Gut Füchtel - Vechta
> Gut Lage - Nähe Essen(Oldb)
> Gut Vehr - Nähe Quakenbrück(?)
> Gut Calhorn - Nähe Essen(Oldb)
> Gut Velthaus
> Gut Arkenstedt
> Gut Lethe - Halen/Baumweg
> Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek
> Gut Schwichteler - Kirchspiel Cappeln

> sowie weitere Adelsgüter, die mir z. Z. nicht bekannt
> sind.

> Ich würde mich freuen, die eine oder andere Anregung
> zu bekommen und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre
> Antworten/Anregungen

> Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück
> Haesli2(a)yahoo.com

> =====
> I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wessel
> mann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwe
> rk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area;
> Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)



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Re: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im OldenburgerMünsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 21:00:17
From: fredrump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 23 Aug 2001, at 20:01, Juergen Drees wrote:

> Gut Diekhaus ist auch in obigem Buch erwähnt. Ansonsten wende Dich
> einfach an den jetzigen Bewohner des Gutes Diekhaus:

Wie ich schon sagte gibt es dies Gut nicht mehr. Ich bin selber
dort über die Felder gegangen um mir die alten Grundmauern zu
suchen. Sogar die Hiesigen wissen nichts mehr davon. Die
Vorfahren meiner Frau (Vogel) waren Heuerleute direkt neben
Diekhaus was auch heute noch als Bauerschaft auf der Landkarte
zu sehen ist. Die Vogels waren einige Generation auf der Grenze
zwischen Cappeln und Krapendorf auf einem Hof im Dingel. Sie
hatten immer nur einen Sohn der die Sache weiter machte bis sie
in der Frühzeit auf Gut Lage und in anderen Berufen in Essen usw
auftauchten.

Es ist mir schon lange ein Rätsel auf welchem Hof auf'm Dingel sie
ihr Land hatten aber die Seelenaufzeichnungen von Cappeln sind
mir nicht leserlich und bis jetzt hat sich noch kein Expert an diese
Dokumente gewagt um sie zu entziffern. In diesen Listen würde
man erkennen können wo ein Heuermann auf Heuer war weil sie
bei diesen Leuten aufgezählt waren. Aber leider.

Fred


26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010
509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net


Re: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im Oldenburger Münsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 22:33:15
From: fredrump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 23 Aug 2001, at 15:04, fredrump(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> Hmm, was sind Anregungen? Die Familie meiner Frau wohnt auf 
> Gut Lage

Upps, das sollte 'wohnte' heissen.

Fred



26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010
509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net


Re:_[OL]Literatur_bzw._WebSites_zu_Adelsgütern_im_Oldenburger_ Münsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 22:35:22
From: Frank Giere <frank.giere(a)web.de>

Das Buch scheint noch im Antiquariat verfügbar zu sein. 
vgl. http://www.buchweb.de/anti/
bzw. http://www.buchweb.de/anti/backlist/verlag.htm

H. Th. Wenner · Antiquariat · Verlag
Heger Straße 2 -3
D - 49074 Osnabrück, Deutschland
Tel. +49 (0) 541 / 202 394 20 
Fax. +49 (0) 541 / 202 394 29 
Email: anti(a)buchweb.com

Gruss

Frank


oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net schrieb am 23.08.01:
> Es gibt ein Buch mit dem Titel:
> "Burgen und Schlösser im Oldenburger Land"
> von Edgar F. Warnecke, Verlag Bültmann & Gerriets Oldenburg 1993
> ISBN 3-920876-02-07
> 
> Ich weiß nicht ob es noch verfügbar ist.
> 
> Werner
> 
> 


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Re:_[OL]Literatur_bzw._WebSites_zu_Adelsgütern_im_Oldenburger_ Münsterland

Date: 2001/08/23 23:57:14
From: fredrump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 24 Aug 2001, at 0:40, Frank Giere wrote:

> Das Buch scheint noch im Antiquariat verfügbar zu sein.
> vgl. http://www.buchweb.de/anti/
> bzw. http://www.buchweb.de/anti/backlist/verlag.htm
>

So etwas ist aber bestimmt nicht das richtige denn die meisten
Güter waren eben nur grosse Bauernhöfe. Von Burgen und
Schlösser kann man nicht viel im Niederstift finden. Jedenfalls nicht
viel von den genannten Plätzen

Fred


26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010
509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net


[OL]Urlaub

Date: 2001/08/24 16:50:05
From: Martin Hahn <kiki-andrea(a)ngi.de>

Hallo, liebe Listenteilnehmer !!!
Ich möchte Euch hiermit nur mitteilen, dass ich ab Sonntag 26.08. - bis Sonnteg 10.09. in Urlaub fahre. Und zwar an die Nordsee in Verbindung mit einigen Besuchen in verschiedenen Archiven. Sollten innerhalb meiner Urlaubszeit Anfragen speziell an mich gestellt werden, bitte ich schon einmal im vorraus um Entschuldigung, wenn die Antwort etwas auf sich warten lässt. 
Euch wünsche ich in dieser Zeit viel Spass und noch mehr Erfolg.
Im übrigen möchte ich auch hier auf meine Homepage verweisen
www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen/ahnenforschung.htm
Viele Grüsse
Martin Hahn


[OL]Fwd: Duderstadt u.s.w

Date: 2001/08/24 17:12:01
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

hiermit folgend eine Nachricht von Betty Krull zu den Gütern im Oldb.
Münsterland.
Gerold
--- Begin Message ---
Hallo Gerold,
Wilst Du so lieb sein und diese bericht durchscikken nach Der OL-liste
ich hab es sebenmal versucht aber bekomm es jedesmal zuruck.
Betty

Hallo Lothar,
In Die Löninger Cronik band I von Alfred Benken seite 213-227 steht
etwas über die Güter beschrieben.
grüsse Betty

--- End Message ---

AW: [OL]Urlaub

Date: 2001/08/24 17:25:18
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,

> Im übrigen möchte ich auch hier auf meine Homepage verweisen
> www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen/ahnenforschung.htm

besser wäre:
www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen.de/ahnenforschung.htm   :-)

MfG

Christian Delhey, Münster



[OL]Re: Andreas Holtermann

Date: 2001/08/25 05:02:16
From: GerryS3307 <GerryS3307(a)aol.com>

Thank you very much, Carsten, for the information.
Carol


Re: [OL]Ohmstede

Date: 2001/08/25 16:05:47
From: Juergen Rode <j.rode(a)t-online.de>

HSchoon(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder,
>  brauche dringend Daten!!!! 
> Ohmstede Johann Hinrich, verh mit Anne geb. Baumann, Neustadt 
> sonst ist nichts bekannt
> Sohn Gerhard Ohmstede geb. am 2.12.1822 in Neustadt, verh. mit
> Catharine Sophie Wettermann geb. am 28.8.1831 
> deren Sohn Friedrich Georg Ohmstede geb. am 18.10.1854 in Schmalenfleth
> und Ehefrau Johanna Maria Wilhelmina Schau geb. am 20.1.1852 in Schmalenfleth
>
> Vielen Dank!!
>

Johann Hinrich Ohmstede des weiland Gerhard Ohmstede, gewesener Schulehrer auf 
Neustadt ältester ehelicher Sohn heiratet am 28.08.1817 in Strückhausen
Anna Baumann des Gerd Baumann auf der Neustadt zweite eheliche Tochter.

Gruß

Jürgen Rode  -  Bonn
Email: j.rode(a)t-online.de ###  http://home.t-online.de/home/j.rode



[OL]Fw: Schlarmann Genealogy

Date: 2001/08/26 22:57:30
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Can anyone Sharon Dom help. I have not this book.
Werner

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    Von: dhomsdairy(a)psbnewton.com (Andrew Dhom)
  Datum: 26.08.2001, 15:29:56
Betreff: Schlarmann Genealogy

Werner
Thanks so much for the correction for Mary Bernadine Schlarmann.  As you
can see from my genealogy tree for the Schlarmann line I haven't gotten
very far back.  If you have information at your disposal  that  would be
easy to obtain, I would very much appreciate anything you could send.

In the books by Pagenstert,  Kammergueter in den Amtern Cloppenburg und
Friesoythe I have no less than 8 lines which I would like very much to
have information about.  How can I go about obtaining this information.
The names are as follows:
Albers from Molbergen, Deken from Garrel, Grothaus from Thuele, Korfhage
from Brokstreek, Krone from Ermke, Meyer from Garrel,  Rickwarz  from
Garrel, Tapken from Garrel.

Is it possible to buy a copy or a photocopy of  this book?   If it is
possible let me know the cost.

Sincerely,
Sharon Dhom
9773 N. 1600th Street
Newton, Ilinois 62448
USA



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[OL]HIBBELER/BOCKHORN

Date: 2001/08/27 03:10:46
From: Lynngns <Lynngns(a)aol.com>

Are there other children of Hinrich Hibbeler b.Dec.6, 1821 Bockhorn and Anna 
(Hinrichs) Hibbeler b. Oct. 28, 1830 Zetel???? I know of these five born in 
Bockhorn but there may be others.  Elise and Carl came to America. Does 
anyone know about the others and are there more????

Elise Hermine Hibbeler 11/3/1854
Anna Margarete Hibbeler b. 2/2/1857
Carl Friedrick Hibbeler 8/23/1857 or 1859
Marie Hermine Hibbeler 10/24/1862
Heinrich Gerhard Hibbeler 4/2/1867

Lynn (lynngns(a)aol.com)




[OL] ZANDER - glassblower

Date: 2001/08/27 14:04:56
From: Doronic <Doronic(a)cs.com>

I am trying to trace the parents and origins of my grandfather, August Emil 
Karl Johannes ZANDER.  According to his marriage certificate he was born in 
about 1870-1872, and was the son of Johann Christian ZANDER.  Father and son 
were both glassblowers.
August ZANDER (also known as Karl) married:
1) Franziska BURGER, who died in the German Hospital, London, U.K. in June 
1914
2) Adele Marie HEDEMANN (my grandmother)

August Zander came to the U.K. in about 1910.  In 1916 he was interned as an 
enemy alien, and died in the German Hospital in London in 1919, leaving 3 
small daughters.
He was a Lutheran, and in the German Lutheran church records he is referred 
to as a glassblower, of Oldenburg.

Any help would be very much appreciated.  Thank you.

Roz Norris


Re: [OL]Fw: Schlarmann Genealogy

Date: 2001/08/27 17:33:48
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 26 Aug 2001, at 22:58, Werner Honkomp wrote:

>     Von: dhomsdairy(a)psbnewton.com (Andrew Dhom)
>   Datum: 26.08.2001, 15:29:56
> Betreff: Schlarmann Genealogy
>
> Werner
> Thanks so much for the correction for Mary Bernadine Schlarmann.  As
> you can see from my genealogy tree for the Schlarmann line I haven't
> gotten very far back.  If you have information at your disposal  that
> would be easy to obtain, I would very much appreciate anything you
> could send.
>
> In the books by Pagenstert,  Kammergueter in den Amtern Cloppenburg
> und Friesoythe I have no less than 8 lines which I would like very
> much to have information about.  How can I go about obtaining this
> information. The names are as follows: Albers from Molbergen, Deken
> from Garrel, Grothaus from Thuele, Korfhage from Brokstreek, Krone
> from Ermke, Meyer from Garrel,  Rickwarz  from Garrel, Tapken from
> Garrel.
>
> Is it possible to buy a copy or a photocopy of  this book?   If it is
> possible let me know the cost.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sharon Dhom
> 9773 N. 1600th Street
> Newton, Ilinois 62448
> USA

Dear Sharon,
I don't know where you received the above information without also
being able to copy it. Pagenstert was reprinted in 1977 and I think
another time later on. The trouble with these reprints is that they
only do a hundred or so copies - enough they think for their
members. I believe the Heimatverein Herrlichkeit Dinklage reprinted
the book those two times. I was lucky enough to get one of their
last copies.

You should understand that Pagensterts 1912 work is not a
genealogy book but rather a social history, if you may, of the
inheritance conditions of the farms which were (I can't think of the
proper word) beholden or in lean to the territorial landlord. By that I
mean either the old Grafschaft Tecklenburg, the Fürstbistum
Münster or the masters of Oldenburg.

The point is to record the rents or lease payments as per their
ancient contracts with their owners. A Kammergut is an estate
held by the Kammer or financial chamber (treasury) of the territorial
administration.

So let us take Albers from Molbergen. We are talking about three
Bauerschaften here: Ermke, Dwergte and Peheim on which lay 6
different ancient estates which are described in some detail. That
is not to say that it is genealogical but rather a property description
naming people who often simply took the name of the farm as they
got there. The Albers mentioned here has to do with the Abeln
Halberbe farm. (Halberbe=status of 1/2 inheritance quality)

Not to go into the whole history but briefly: in 1665 the farm was
verarmt or worthless without production. The place worked its way
up but in 1743 it was still only worth 8 Thaler rental. This is when
the old man was declared bancrupt and this value was assigned to
his son in handing it over. But this son Gehard was fined 2 Thaler
by the state because he married without permission of the
Rentmeister. In 1764 the son of Gerhard was supposed to inherit
the farm but he had been sickly for over eight years and the family
tried to leave the place to the eldest daughter. This was denied.
After the death of Gerhard in 1765 even the young son tried to
move the farm over to his older sister, Anna Christina. Her husband
was one Johann Dirk Albers. Still, the state did not give permission
and decided to have the sickly son wait until he reaches maturity
and at the same time the farm could be brought up to produce 10
Thalers. It does not say exactly what happened but in 1833
Heinrich Wilhelm Abeln wa still only paying 6 Thaler. It can be
assumed that at this time the farm was freed of it's payment (Lien)
obligation. In German: Die Stelle wurde durch das
Staatsgrundgesetz vom gutsherrlichen Verbande befreit.

Then we come to a section where the inheritance quality level is
being discussed for the various other farms in each Kirchspiel. This
is for 1700. Here have the Albers farm listed as being free and a
Ganzerbe. This is about as high in the totem pole as you can get
back then. These free farms had to pay anual duties to the court to
the Amt Vechta and at inheritance 5 Hocken Roggengarbe had to
be paid to the court in Cloppenburg. I presume that would have
been five stands of rye ready for threshing. I will list the other
annual payments the Albers farm was assessed in German
(maybe we can figure out together what it meant):

Amth. 1/3 Mairind, 8 Schill. Herbstsch., 4 Schill. Maisch., 1Thaler
Dienstgeld, 6 Sch. Haf., Wagendienst mit 2 Pf.

Every item seems to be associated with value, ie Schilling or
Thaler and the presumption would be that this is the value of the
natural product to be delivered. The Wagendienst was to furnish a
wagon with two horses. I have no idea how often or when and to
whom.

Anyway such is the story of one Albers farm. There was another in
Dwergte which was also a Ganzerbe (full inheritance status) but it
was liend to Gut Altenoythe and later Gut Darrel. Here the
payments when to the above estates (I'll try to not use
abbreviations): 2 Malter Roggen (rye), 1 pig of at least 100 pounds,
53 1/2 Pounds of butter, 4 Thaler and 24 Groschen in liew of
service money, 1 long and one short wagon, and to the Amt one
wagon with 2 horses.

The Abeln farm in Ermke was apparently the property discussed at
the behginning of this lecture and had the status of a 1/2
inheritance.

The other farms have similar descriptions and I would be happy to
make copies if this is of genealogical value to you. Do you know
the pages you want?

I'm also curious if this book wasn't copied onto a CD as was
discussed here some months ago. I've been out of circulation for
quite a while (away from my books and resources) and don't know
the exact status of everything. Besides I'm forgetting more and
more these days. :-)

Fred

Best regards
FredRump(a)earthlink.net	609-386-6846
26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010
509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net


Re: [OL]Webseite ganz erneuert

Date: 2001/08/28 01:48:08
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Jos de duitse website gaat nog niet helemaal goed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jos Onneweer" <jos.onneweer(a)chello.nl>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: woensdag 22 augustus 2001 16:13
Subject: [OL]Webseite ganz erneuert


Hallo Allen,

Wir haben unsere Webseite ganz erneuert und auch in Deutsch übersetzt.

Aus dem nächsten Gebieten kommen Vielen Namen und Daten:
:
· Noord-Holland (Westfriesland) en Oldenburg (D) > unter:
Onneweer
· Noord-Holland (Westfriesland) > unter: Smit
· Zuid-Holland (Rijnland) > unter: van Noort
· Utrecht (Amersfoort e.o.) > unter: Bauland
· Zeeland (Walcheren) > unter: Jeronimus
· Zeeland (Tholen) > unter: Ahnentafeln von Betsy
· Overijssel/Friesland (Weststellingwerf) > unter: Jagtman
· Nederlands Indië > unter: Bajetto und Osten
· Papenburg (Dld.) > unter: Lange
· West-Pruissen (heutigen Polen) > unter: kwartieren van Betsy
· Mettingen (D.) > unter: Ahnentafeln von Betsy
· Buer (D.) > unter: Bauland

Die Adresse: http://members1.chello.nl/~jos.onneweer

Mit freunlichen Grüßen,

Jos und betsy

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[OL]Thöben in Resthausen/Molbergen

Date: 2001/08/28 21:02:36
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Liebe Freunde,
lange habe ich nicht mehr in Sachen Ahnen geforscht - im Sommer gibt´s halt 
andere schöne Beschäftigungen. Aber so langsam muss ich wieder anfangen.
Wer kann mir dabei helfen?
Zwar habe ich von Theodor Heinrich Thöben [der durch Heirat an Hof und Namen 
Hollah kam] das Geburtsdatum (*24-7-1845 Resthausen) und somit auch die Namen 
der Eltern (Gerd Hinrich Thöben und Maria Hackmann).
>>> Aber wann ist Gerd Hinrich Thöben geboren?
>>> Und wer waren seine Eltern?

Besten Gruß!
Ansgar Hollah
AHollah(a)AOL.com
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen


[OL]Windels in Visbek

Date: 2001/08/28 22:04:50
From: Carsten Heuer <Ca.Heuer(a)gmx.de>

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,

forscht vielleicht jemand im Kirchspiel Visbek?

Es geht Margreta Elisabeth WINDELS. Sie heiratete am 12. Februar 1737 in
Hasbergen Dirck RUNGE. Als Herkunftsort der Braut ist angegeben: "zur
Döhlen im Kirchspiel Fißbeck". Ihr Vater war Michael WINDELS. Da Visbek
katholisch, Hasbergen hingegen evangelisch-lutherisch war, muss also
eine "Mischehe" vorliegen. Oder lebten im Kirchspiel auch Lutheraner?

Gruss aus Bremen
Carsten Heuer



Re: [OL]Windels in Visbek

Date: 2001/08/28 23:35:36
From: GvH42551 <GvH42551(a)aol.com>

Döhlen gehört m. E.  zum Kirchspiel "Großenkneten". Zu der in Frage kommenden 
Zeit waren die meisten Leute dort evangelisch-lutherischer Konfession. Kann 
es da nicht sein, daß die Heirat im Kirchspiel Großenkneten stattfand und 
nicht in Visbeck (oder Fißbeck)?
Mfg
Gerhard C. von Husen


[OL](no subject)

Date: 2001/08/29 02:00:42
From: Harv & Barb Cramer <hcramer(a)inebraska.com>


Re: [OL]Andreas Holtermann

Date: 2001/08/29 02:03:28
From: Harv & Barb Cramer <hcramer(a)inebraska.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Carsten Witting <cwitting(a)01019freenet.de>
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Andreas Holtermann


>> Would anyone have information in their family tree on Andreas Friedrich
>> Holtermann (born l764)?
>Andreas Friedrich Holtermann, * 16.09.1764 was 1791-1830 a pastor in Öse
>(Bremen, Bremervörde).
>
>best regards
>Carsten Witting
>
>Thank you Carsten.  Andreas daughter Fredericke Sophia married our grt.
grtfather Frederich Christoph Büsing at Öse or Öese and we are trying to
find history about him and his family.
For months, we had been trying to find Fredericke Holter Mann.  That was how
it is on our grtgrdfather's marriage license. Small thing but did make a
difference.
Are there church records or books of Öse?  Are they available to anyone?
thank you for your help and information.  Barbara Büsing Cramer
hcramer(a)inebraska.com

>
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AW: [OL]Windels in Visbek

Date: 2001/08/29 22:30:52
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Döhlen könnte Wüstendöllen oder Norddöllen sein.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Hubert Bomas
http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Carsten Heuer
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. August 2001 22:03
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL]Windels in Visbek


Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,

forscht vielleicht jemand im Kirchspiel Visbek?

Es geht Margreta Elisabeth WINDELS. Sie heiratete am 12. Februar 1737 in
Hasbergen Dirck RUNGE. Als Herkunftsort der Braut ist angegeben: "zur
Döhlen im Kirchspiel Fißbeck". Ihr Vater war Michael WINDELS. Da Visbek
katholisch, Hasbergen hingegen evangelisch-lutherisch war, muss also
eine "Mischehe" vorliegen. Oder lebten im Kirchspiel auch Lutheraner?

Gruss aus Bremen
Carsten Heuer


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[OL](Fwd) Fresenburg

Date: 2001/08/30 03:28:29
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

Hi
Did someone ask about Fresenborg/Fresenburg?
It wasn't me. I only responded to something on the name.
Fred


------- Forwarded message follows -------
Date sent:      	Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:50:06 +0200 (MEST)
From:           	Christian Friesenborg <christianfriesenborg(a)gmx.de>
To:             	fredrump(a)earthlink.net
Subject:        	Fresenburg

Dear Fred!
Gert Fresenburg forwarded your e-mail to me. So I will help you a
little bit. Here is a address, where you can find the Fresenborgs in
Essen/Oldenburg, Germany. Here it is:
http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/EssenerB.html

More later,
Christian

26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010
609-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net


[OL]Oltmanns in Edewecht

Date: 2001/08/30 04:16:42
From: Roberta Hickman <mrshickman(a)prairieinet.net>

I am looking for descendants of Johan Heinrich Oltmanns and Anna Margaret Bentjen, both in the US and Germany.  These are the parents of my maternal grandfather (also Johan Heinrich or John Henry, known to us as "Henry"), who was born in Edewecht in 1888.  Johan died prior to 1899, and Anna married a man with the surname Tapken.  They emigrated to the state of Nebraska in the US with several of Anna's children from her first marriage.  Some of her older children remained in Germany, and at least one daughter who came to the US later returned to Germany.

Thank you,

Roberta Hickman



Re: [OL]Oltmanns in Edewecht

Date: 2001/08/30 11:13:47
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hello Roberta,
I suggest you contact Johann Lueschen (johann.lueschen(a)nwn.de). He is our 
expert for the parish of Edewecht.
Regards
Gerold Diers (OGF)



[OL]Brunkhorst in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/08/30 17:42:53
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>

Hallo -

hat vielleicht jemand zufällig einige Ergänzungen zu dieser Familie?


 JOHANN BRUNKHORST   heiratet GESINE ALINE KREYE.

 Beruf: Landmann in Bürgerfelde

Kinder von JOHANN BRUNKHORST und GESINE KREYE:
 i. JOHANN HEINRICH BERNHARD2 BRUNKHORST, b. 30 April 1875, Oldenburg.
Taufe: 6 Juni 1875, Oldenburg
Taufzeugen: Meta Brunkhorst, Borchers Krey

2. ii. AUGUST HINRICH BRUNKHORST, b. 20 April 1876, Oldenburg.

Generation No. 2

2.  AUGUST HINRICH2 BRUNKHORST (JOHANN1) wurde geboren am 20 April 1876
in Oldenburg.  Er heiratete MARGARETHE FRANS.  Sie wurde geboren am 15
März 1876 in Neustadt-Gödens.

AUGUST HINRICH BRUNKHORST:
Taufe: 4 Juni 1876, Oldenburg
Taufzeugen: Heinrich Brunkhorst


Das fand ich in den Adreßbüchern von  Oldenburg :

1880
Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Mittelweg 30
Heinrich Brunkhorst, Hauswart, Ritterstr. 11

1895
Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Alexanderstr. 286
Heinrich Brunkhorst, wie 1880

1902
Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Lambertistr. 38
Heinrich Brunkhorst, Hausmann a.D. Haareneschstr. 36a
Heinrich Brunkhorst, Bremser, Diedrichsweg 16

1913
Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Lambertistr. 70
Heinrich Brunkhorst, Schaffner, Alexanderstr. 108
Karl Brunkhorst, Buchdruckereiarb., Humboldstr. 2


Viele Grüße von Irmi


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Re: [OL]Brunkhorst in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/08/30 18:48:54
From: Thomas van Geuns <Thomas.van-Geuns(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Irmi,
im Adressbuch v. Oldenburg 1928:

Brunkhorst, K., Hefevertretg., Ziegelhofstraße 41

Gruß Thomas aus OL


----- Original Message -----
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>
To: <Thomas.van-Geuns(a)t-online.de>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:46 PM
Subject: [OL]Brunkhorst in Oldenburg


> Hallo -
>
> hat vielleicht jemand zufällig einige Ergänzungen zu dieser Familie?
>
>
>  JOHANN BRUNKHORST   heiratet GESINE ALINE KREYE.
>
>  Beruf: Landmann in Bürgerfelde
>
> Kinder von JOHANN BRUNKHORST und GESINE KREYE:
>  i. JOHANN HEINRICH BERNHARD2 BRUNKHORST, b. 30 April 1875, Oldenburg.
> Taufe: 6 Juni 1875, Oldenburg
> Taufzeugen: Meta Brunkhorst, Borchers Krey
>
> 2. ii. AUGUST HINRICH BRUNKHORST, b. 20 April 1876, Oldenburg.
>
> Generation No. 2
>
> 2.  AUGUST HINRICH2 BRUNKHORST (JOHANN1) wurde geboren am 20 April 1876
> in Oldenburg.  Er heiratete MARGARETHE FRANS.  Sie wurde geboren am 15
> März 1876 in Neustadt-Gödens.
>
> AUGUST HINRICH BRUNKHORST:
> Taufe: 4 Juni 1876, Oldenburg
> Taufzeugen: Heinrich Brunkhorst
>
>
> Das fand ich in den Adreßbüchern von  Oldenburg :
>
> 1880
> Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Mittelweg 30
> Heinrich Brunkhorst, Hauswart, Ritterstr. 11
>
> 1895
> Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Alexanderstr. 286
> Heinrich Brunkhorst, wie 1880
>
> 1902
> Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Lambertistr. 38
> Heinrich Brunkhorst, Hausmann a.D. Haareneschstr. 36a
> Heinrich Brunkhorst, Bremser, Diedrichsweg 16
>
> 1913
> Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Lambertistr. 70
> Heinrich Brunkhorst, Schaffner, Alexanderstr. 108
> Karl Brunkhorst, Buchdruckereiarb., Humboldstr. 2
>
>
> Viele Grüße von Irmi
>
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[OL]Namens- und Ortsliste

Date: 2001/08/31 22:29:23
From: Bianca Uffelmann <Bianca.Uffelmann(a)t-online.de>

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,

endlich habe ich es geschafft ein Teil meiner Arbeit auf eine Homepage zu
bannen.

Seht es euch doch mal an.
Ich habe eine ausführliche Liste aller Namen und Orte mit denen ich bisher
zu tun hatte eingebunden.
Außerdem biete ich anderen Forschern die Gelegenheit sich unter "andere
Forscher" in eine Linkliste einzutragen um so noch mehr Gleichgesinnte zu
erreichen.

Wer noch Anregungen oder Lob oder Kritik über die Seite hat, würde mir eine
Freude machen, wenn er entweder in mein Gästebuch schreibt, oder direkt an
mich.

Viele Grüße

Bianca Uffelmann

http://ahnenforschunginfriesland.de.vu