Date: 2001/08/01 18:48:58
From: Geneviève Devigne <genevieve.devigne(a)free.fr>
My name is Simon Bob GLAUBERG. I was born in Frankfurt and my family was from Langenselbold and Gelnhausen : 2 villages not far from Frankfurt. I have already family in U.S.A, but I know that other ones have left Germany for U.S.A. on differnet dates. Have read with interest y/"Passenger List - Burgermeister Smidt, Oct 25,1834" It contains names of emigrated people from Germany to the U.S.A., but I suppose that other similar lists exist. Have you such lists ? or could you give us some recommendations to find them ? Some GLAUBERG emigrated from 1840 to 1920 or more Some JOSEPH (family name) from 1869 and after. Specialy one : Feist or Fred JOSEPH who left HAMBURG about on october 5th 1869. He was the father of my grandmother. Could you help me ? and specially with the GLAUBERG's (In the list of the "Burgermeister Smidt" were some people from Glauberg. But this is the name of a village from which my ancestors have chosed the name.) In advance, thanks a lot for y/help Bob GLAUBERG
Date: 2001/08/01 20:16:39
From: RMoore5986 <RMoore5986(a)aol.com>
I am new to this mailing list, and I am not aware of the article concerning information on the soldiers of the Vestrup, Emstek, Cloppenburg, Cappeln , etc., area. I would like to find out more about the military in that area. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I might find this information. Are there lists of the soldiers? Researching in Emstek, Vestrup, Cappeln, Cloppenburg area. The names I am researching are, SCHWEPE, LANGE, SIEMER, and DETERS. Thank you, R.Moore
Date: 2001/08/01 21:00:47
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>
Ich erinneren mich das ich im januari etwas über Napoleon im Oldenburg gelezen hatte. Ich habe die genaue antworte nich mehr. War Napoleon wirklich im Oldenburg und gab da eine fransözische Besetzungmacht in Oldenburg?
Date: 2001/08/01 21:48:41
From: Ulrich1Finke <Ulrich1Finke(a)aol.com>
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, bei der Suche nach "Weberstedt" fand ich einen Bericht ind dem fälschlicherwese von "Bad Weberstedt" die Rede ist. Bad Tennstedt ist richtig. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Ulrich Finke
Date: 2001/08/02 04:25:12
From: Jerry M. Schroy <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com>
I am searching for any information on Ferdinand Mayrose or Meyrose and his family. He came to the United States in May of 1844 with his mother Maria Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister Agnes and brother Franz. I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry. At least that is what it looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but it was hard to read. Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His obituary said that he was 85 years and seventeen days old when he died on November 17, 1914. So that would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or somewhere close to that. He also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the same boat as Ferdinand and his mother and siblings. I also haven't found evidence of his father coming to America. And in 1880, a brother John shows up on the census with him. But I have never found John anywhere else, so don't know where he came from. John would have been born around 1837 as he is 43 in 1880. Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the passenger list as coming from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being from Oldenburg. Any information that anyone might have would be helpful. Thanks a lot! B.
Date: 2001/08/02 06:21:31
From: Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net>
My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from Damme to Cincinnati in the 1870's. His father Johann Gerhard Christopher Meyerose was born in Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. Where did your Meyrose's settle in the USA? The FHC Damme films may have the answers. I also know that there were Puthoff's in Damme. Lee Mairose Cincinnati, Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: [OL]Meyrose > I am searching for any information on Ferdinand Mayrose or Meyrose and his > family. He came to the United States in May of 1844 with his mother Maria > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister Agnes and brother Franz. > I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry. At least that is what it > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but it was hard to read. > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His obituary said that he was 85 > years and seventeen days old when he died on November 17, 1914. So that > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or somewhere close to that. He > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the same boat as Ferdinand > and his mother and siblings. I also haven't found evidence of his father > coming to America. And in 1880, a brother John shows up on the census with > him. But I have never found John anywhere else, so don't know where he came > from. John would have been born around 1837 as he is 43 in 1880. > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the passenger list as coming > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being from Oldenburg. > > Any information that anyone might have would be helpful. > > Thanks a lot! > > B. > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > >
Date: 2001/08/02 06:23:28
From: Dee Turner <deeturn(a)home.com>
Can someone translate this message into English? I am interested in knowing the relationship of Bad Tennstedt to Bad Weberstedt, having both locations for my Saxony ancestors. Thank you so much, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ulrich1Finke(a)aol.com> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: [OL]Weberstedt Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, bei der Suche nach "Weberstedt" fand ich einen Bericht ind dem fälschlicherwese von "Bad Weberstedt" die Rede ist. Bad Tennstedt ist richtig. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Ulrich Finke _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/02 09:56:10
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>
Hello Dee, Dee Turner wrote: > Can someone translate this message into English? > ----- Original Message ----- > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, > bei der Suche nach "Weberstedt" fand ich einen Bericht ind dem > fälschlicherwese von "Bad Weberstedt" die Rede ist. Bad Tennstedt ist > richtig. > Mit freundlichen Grüßen free english translation: | Dear Madams and Sirs, | at my search for "Weberstedt" I discovered a message in which | misleadingly addresses a "Bad Weberstedt". Bad Tennstedt is | correct. | With kind regards He tells that the place isn't called "Bad Weberstedt" but "Weberstedt". The town nearby is "Bad Tennstedt". Regards Juergen -- -------------------=======######======------------------- Juergen Drees 38100 Braunschweig mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de Deutschland/Germany
Date: 2001/08/02 14:57:42
From: Barbara Schroy <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
Part of my Meyrose family came to the United States in 1844. There were Puthoffs that came over with them. They originally went to Cincinnati as I found them in the 1850 Census there. But my grandfather, Ferdinand was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death in 1914. Thanks Barb --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote: > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from > Damme to Cincinnati in the > 1870's. His father Johann Gerhard Christopher > Meyerose was born in > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. Where > did your Meyrose's > settle in the USA? The FHC Damme films may have the > answers. I also know > that there were Puthoff's in Damme. > > Lee Mairose > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com> > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM > Subject: [OL]Meyrose > > > > I am searching for any information on Ferdinand > Mayrose or Meyrose and his > > family. He came to the United States in May of > 1844 with his mother Maria > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister > Agnes and brother > Franz. > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry. > At least that is what > it > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but > it was hard to read. > > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His > obituary said that he was 85 > > years and seventeen days old when he died on > November 17, 1914. So that > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or > somewhere close to that. He > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the > same boat as Ferdinand > > and his mother and siblings. I also haven't found > evidence of his father > > coming to America. And in 1880, a brother John > shows up on the census > with > > him. But I have never found John anywhere else, > so don't know where he > came > > from. John would have been born around 1837 as he > is 43 in 1880. > > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the > passenger list as coming > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being > from Oldenburg. > > > > Any information that anyone might have would be > helpful. > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > B. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Date: 2001/08/02 15:42:01
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
On 1 Aug 2001, at 20:52, Paul Rowold wrote: > Ich erinneren mich das ich im januari etwas über Napoleon im Oldenburg > gelezen hatte. Ich habe die genaue antworte nich mehr. War Napoleon > wirklich im Oldenburg und gab da eine fransözische Besetzungmacht in > Oldenburg? Ob Napoleon selbst in Oldenburg war weiss ich nicht. Ich denke aber nein. Die ganze Ssache war mehr eine direkte Landesübername indem der Herzog abzog und seine Soldaten entlassen hatte. Die Franzosen übernamen einfach alles. Fred
Date: 2001/08/03 01:15:07
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>
Barb, I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside Damme on October 23, 1829. He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829 in Damme, as the son of Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff. The godparents were listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer. I have never been able to figure out the difference between the "Levans" and the "As?". Also, I usually see two people listed as the As?, but there was only one in Ferdinand's entry. The family is listed as living in Ottings Liebzucht. You can find all this information, and presumably the other siblings in the microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family History Center. I hope this helps. Don In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com writes: > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United States in > 1844. There were Puthoffs that came over with them. > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found them in > the 1850 Census there. But my grandfather, Ferdinand > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death in > 1914. > > Thanks > > Barb > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote: > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from > > Damme to Cincinnati in the > > 1870's. His father Johann Gerhard Christopher > > Meyerose was born in > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. Where > > did your Meyrose's > > settle in the USA? The FHC Damme films may have the > > answers. I also know > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme. > > > > Lee Mairose > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com> > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose > > > > > > > I am searching for any information on Ferdinand > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his > > > family. He came to the United States in May of > > 1844 with his mother Maria > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister > > Agnes and brother > > Franz. > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry. > > At least that is what > > it > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but > > it was hard to read. > > > > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His > > obituary said that he was 85 > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on > > November 17, 1914. So that > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or > > somewhere close to that. He > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the > > same boat as Ferdinand > > > and his mother and siblings. I also haven't found > > evidence of his father > > > coming to America. And in 1880, a brother John > > shows up on the census > > with > > > him. But I have never found John anywhere else, > > so don't know where he > > came > > > from. John would have been born around 1837 as he > > is 43 in 1880. > > > > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the > > passenger list as coming > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being > > from Oldenburg. > > > > > > Any information that anyone might have would be > > helpful. > > > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > > > B. > > > >
Date: 2001/08/03 13:01:00
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>
Familiengeschichtsforschung Friederici / Friderici / von Friederici (English see below) Der Familienname Friederici / Friderici ist ein latinisierter Name ausgehend vom Namen Friedrich / Friederich. So treten im deutschen Sprachgebiet, beginnend mit dem 16. Jahrhundert, etwa 20 größere Familien Friederici auf, über die sich interessante Stammtafeln aufstellen lassen. Ich bearbeite derzeit diese "Stammtafeln Friederici". Dieses war stets mein Hobby und ist also eine nicht kommerzielle Tätigkeit. Gerne kann ich auf Anfrage eine nähere Auskunft über meine Arbeiten geben. Eine Tafel mit 20 Stammvätern Friederici nebst einigen Daten und die jeweilige Stammheimat sind auf der Homepage aufgeführt (siehe http://www.friederici.de) 1. Wer kann Namensträger vom 17.-19. Jh. mitteilen ? 2. Wer kennt Auswanderer in der Familie nach USA, Canada und Übersee ? 3. Wer hat den Namen Fri(e)derici in seiner Ahnenliste ? 4. Wer kenn Auswanderer nach Stockholm und Göteborg im 17. Jh ? e-mail: georg(a)friederici.de oder georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net Es sind im Raum Ostpreußen (Memel, Bartenstein, Tilsit), Westpreußen (Danzig), sowie auch in Brandenburg, Sachsen, Thüringen und Niederschlesien (Rawitsch) noch einige Lücken zu schließen. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friederici / Friderici / von Friederici family history research The family name Friederici / Friderici is a latinized name coming from the name Friedrich / Friederich. Beginning in the 16th century about 20 larger families appear in the German speaking areas, from which interesting family trees can be developed. I am currently working on these "Friederici family trees". This was always my hobby and is not a commercial activity. On request I would gladly give more detailed information on my work. You can find a table with 20 heads of Friederici families, with dates and places on the homepage at http://www.friederici.de 1. Who knows any of this name in the 17th -19th century ? 2. Who knows any emingrants of this family to the USA, Canada and oversees? 3. Who has the name Fri(e)derici in his list of ancestors? 4. Who knows any emingrants to Stockholm and Göteborg in the 17th century ? e-mail: georg(a)friederici.de or georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net
Date: 2001/08/03 15:25:17
From: Barbara Schroy <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
Don, Thank you so much for the information. It sounds like I need to find the Damme microfilm at the FHC. The problem is that it is going to be in German and hard to read. But I have the same problem here with some of the old church files. I have a question. Do you know what the "Levans" and the "As?" means? I don't have a clue. Thank you for your help. Barb --- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote: > Barb, > > I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside > Damme on October 23, 1829. > He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829 > in Damme, as the son of > Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff. > The godparents were > listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and > "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer. > > I have never been able to figure out the difference > between the "Levans" and > the "As?". Also, I usually see two people listed as > the As?, but there was > only one in Ferdinand's entry. The family is listed > as living in Ottings > Liebzucht. > > You can find all this information, and presumably > the other siblings in the > microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family > History Center. > > I hope this helps. > > Don > > > In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com > writes: > > > > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United > States in > > 1844. There were Puthoffs that came over with > them. > > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found them > in > > the 1850 Census there. But my grandfather, > Ferdinand > > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death in > > 1914. > > > > Thanks > > > > Barb > > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote: > > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from > > > Damme to Cincinnati in the > > > 1870's. His father Johann Gerhard Christopher > > > Meyerose was born in > > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. > Where > > > did your Meyrose's > > > settle in the USA? The FHC Damme films may have > the > > > answers. I also know > > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme. > > > > > > Lee Mairose > > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com> > > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM > > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose > > > > > > > > > > I am searching for any information on > Ferdinand > > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his > > > > family. He came to the United States in May > of > > > 1844 with his mother Maria > > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his > sister > > > Agnes and brother > > > Franz. > > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard > Henry. > > > At least that is what > > > it > > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application > but > > > it was hard to read. > > > > > > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His > > > obituary said that he was 85 > > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on > > > November 17, 1914. So that > > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or > > > somewhere close to that. He > > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on > the > > > same boat as Ferdinand > > > > and his mother and siblings. I also haven't > found > > > evidence of his father > > > > coming to America. And in 1880, a brother > John > > > shows up on the census > > > with > > > > him. But I have never found John anywhere > else, > > > so don't know where he > > > came > > > > from. John would have been born around 1837 > as he > > > is 43 in 1880. > > > > > > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on > the > > > passenger list as coming > > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being > > > from Oldenburg. > > > > > > > > Any information that anyone might have would > be > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Date: 2001/08/03 16:16:15
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>
Barb, "Levans" means a Godparent (baptismal sponsor) according to my dictionary, and the "As?" abbreviated word (I think) also means Godparent. I think I knew what the whole word "As?" was at one time, but I can't remember now. There must have some distinction between the two. When both of these words are present, I have noticed that there is always one Levans, and there may be one or two of the others. In the past, I think that I also noted that the "Levans" person's name was often, but not always, in the child's name. Maybe one of the local Oldenburgers on the list can tell us the difference (and what the whole word for "As?" is). Don
Date: 2001/08/03 23:28:36
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>
Dank Fred I received this information: Hallo Paul Ja, Napoleon war in Oldenburg und es gab eine französische Besetzungsmacht. 1810-1815 unterstand Oldenburg dem Departement Bremen. Hier ein Auszug aus dem Brief vom Januar :Bis 1810 gab es ein kleines, nennen wir es Repräsentationsheer, die sogenannte Knobelgarde. Sie bestand aus einem einzigen Infanteriecorps und hatte vor allen Dingen die Aufgabe, den Herzog auf seinen Reisen durchs Land zu begleiten, die Stadt zu bewachen und militärische Präsenz zu zeigen. Aufgelöst wurde das Oldenburgische Heer vom Herzog einen Tag vor dem Einzug der napoleonischen Truppen. Die Soldaten ordentlich entlassen, die Offiziere aufgefordert, sich mit dem Herzog in Petersburg zu treffen. Nun begann die Zeit der Franzosenherrschaft, die in Oldenburg bis ca 1813 dauerte und für die Administration und die Organisation der Stadt große Folgen haben sollte. Während bisher das Heer überwiegend aus Berufssoldaten und Freiwilligen bestand, wurde unter der napoleonischen Herrschaft, die männliche Bevölkerung systematisch erfaßt und zu gegebener Zeit zum Militärdienst einberufen. In den Akten der Mairie, die im Stadtarchiv liegen, tauchen erstmals Hinweise auf so genannte Stellvertreter auf. Dies waren Berufssoldaten, die sich von den Bürgern bezahlen ließen, damit die Söhne nicht zum Militär mußten. Das war ein durchaus rechtmäßiges Verfahren, was sich aber nur Leute leisten konnten, die genügend Geld hatten, was bei der überwiegenden Mehrheit der Bevölkerung aber nicht der Fall war. Alle anderen mußten ihren Militärdienst selbst ableisten. Dies wurde in er Regel auch ausgeführt, zumal sich die Disziplin unter der neuen Herrschaft deutlich verbesserte und damit auch der Ruf der Soldaten. Immerhin war es aber doch so, daß sich " anständige Damen nicht von ihm (einem Soldaten auf dem Spaziergang) führen lassen" Ich habe in den Akten trotz allem nur sehr wenige Desertionen gefunden. Eine Reihe von diesen sind offensichtlich mit Deckung der Familie untergetaucht und einige wenige offensichtlich ausgewandert. Liebe Grüße Ingrid Heine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Rump" <fredrump(a)earthlink.net> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: donderdag 2 augustus 2001 16:40 Subject: Re: [OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg On 1 Aug 2001, at 20:52, Paul Rowold wrote: > Ich erinneren mich das ich im januari etwas über Napoleon im Oldenburg > gelezen hatte. Ich habe die genaue antworte nich mehr. War Napoleon > wirklich im Oldenburg und gab da eine fransözische Besetzungmacht in > Oldenburg? Ob Napoleon selbst in Oldenburg war weiss ich nicht. Ich denke aber nein. Die ganze Ssache war mehr eine direkte Landesübername indem der Herzog abzog und seine Soldaten entlassen hatte. Die Franzosen übernamen einfach alles. Fred _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/03 23:37:55
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>
Ich suche Wilhelm Johann Anton Fick er ist am 3.11.1901in Süssau geboren, sein vater war Wilhelm Johann Christian Fick, geboren am 1.3. 1871 verheiratet mit Pauline M. Krabbenhöft, sie ist am 29.9. 1869 geboren. Verheiratet 6.2. 1895. Die familie ist 1917 nach Sleswig umgezogen, und ist in Dänemark nach 1920 geblieben.
Date: 2001/08/04 02:35:16
From: Jean-Claude Billon <jean-claude.billon(a)tnn.ap-hop-paris.fr>
http://www.gilles-jobin.org/citations/index.php?page=accueil
Date: 2001/08/04 11:27:44
From: hschlutow <HSchlutow(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Ester Fick,
Ester Fick schrieb:
> Ich suche Wilhelm Johann Anton Fick er ist am 3.11.1901in Süssau geboren,
> sein vater war Wilhelm Johann Christian Fick, geboren am 1.3. 1871
> verheiratet mit Pauline M. Krabbenhöft, sie ist am 29.9. 1869 geboren.
> Verheiratet 6.2. 1895.
> Die familie ist 1917 nach Sleswig umgezogen, und ist in Dänemark nach 1920
> geblieben.
>
Du schriebst an die Oldenburg-Liste.
Sicher, in dem Bereich gibt es sicher auch Familien mit Namen Fick.
Aber - ich glaube - dass sie dort eher "Ficken" heißen (siehe meine homepage
unten; ich habe in meiner Ahnenliste 14 Personen "Ficken" aus dem Ammerland).
Doch, da Deine Vorfahren nach Schleswig gezogen sind, liegt es doch nahe, dass
sie aus dem früheren Mecklenburg-Strelitz (Fürstentum Ratzeburg) bzw. heutigem
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern kamen.
Deshalb meine Empfehlung:
besuche doch mal die Web-Site
http://home.nexgo.de/ratzeburg/
Dort dann auf den button "Kirchspiele" klicken.
Dort dann auf den button "Herrnburg"; und dann auf den button "Namenslisten";
dann auf "Liste der Nachnamen".
Dort findest Du unter dem Namen "Fick" 126 (!) Einträge.
Vielleicht ist ja etwas für Dich dabei.
Viel Spaß.
Gruß
Heinz aus Bremerhaven
www.schlutow.de
Date: 2001/08/04 19:40:33
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>
Hi Levans is the godfather who held the child over the baptismal font and Ass. - Assistens are the assistants, one or two who helped him take a Latin dictionary as well, until 1803 they did not use much German in the catholic vital records Greetings Falk Liebezeit Diepholz 13 miles from Damme >>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 03.08.2001 15.25 Uhr >>> Don, Thank you so much for the information. It sounds like I need to find the Damme microfilm at the FHC. The problem is that it is going to be in German and hard to read. But I have the same problem here with some of the old church files. I have a question. Do you know what the "Levans" and the "As?" means? I don't have a clue. Thank you for your help. Barb --- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote: > Barb, > > I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside > Damme on October 23, 1829. > He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829 > in Damme, as the son of > Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff. > The godparents were > listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and > "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer. > > I have never been able to figure out the difference > between the "Levans" and > the "As?". Also, I usually see two people listed as > the As?, but there was > only one in Ferdinand's entry. The family is listed > as living in Ottings > Liebzucht. > > You can find all this information, and presumably > the other siblings in the > microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family > History Center. > > I hope this helps. > > Don > > > In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com > writes: > > > > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United > States in > > 1844. There were Puthoffs that came over with > them. > > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found them > in > > the 1850 Census there. But my grandfather, > Ferdinand > > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death in > > 1914. > > > > Thanks > > > > Barb > > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote: > > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came from > > > Damme to Cincinnati in the > > > 1870's. His father Johann Gerhard Christopher > > > Meyerose was born in > > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. > Where > > > did your Meyrose's > > > settle in the USA? The FHC Damme films may have > the > > > answers. I also know > > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme. > > > > > > Lee Mairose > > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com> > > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM > > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose > > > > > > > > > > I am searching for any information on > Ferdinand > > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his > > > > family. He came to the United States in May > of > > > 1844 with his mother Maria > > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his > sister > > > Agnes and brother > > > Franz. > > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard > Henry. > > > At least that is what > > > it > > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application > but > > > it was hard to read. > > > > > > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His > > > obituary said that he was 85 > > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on > > > November 17, 1914. So that > > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or > > > somewhere close to that. He > > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on > the > > > same boat as Ferdinand > > > > and his mother and siblings. I also haven't > found > > > evidence of his father > > > > coming to America. And in 1880, a brother > John > > > shows up on the census > > > with > > > > him. But I have never found John anywhere > else, > > > so don't know where he > > > came > > > > from. John would have been born around 1837 > as he > > > is 43 in 1880. > > > > > > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on > the > > > passenger list as coming > > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being > > > from Oldenburg. > > > > > > > > Any information that anyone might have would > be > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/04 21:51:46
From: Barbara Schroy <baschr(a)yahoo.com>
Hi Thank you Falk. I appreciate the help. I have found the church records in St. Louis to be sometimes in Latin and sometimes in German. It makes for interesting reading. I took four years of Latin eons ago. I'm afraid that I didn't retain much of it. Anyway, thank you again. Barb --- f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de, Falk Liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de> wrote: > Hi > > Levans is the godfather who held the child over the > baptismal font > and Ass. - Assistens are the assistants, one or two > who helped him > > take a Latin dictionary as well, until 1803 they did > not use much German in the catholic vital records > > Greetings > > Falk Liebezeit > > Diepholz 13 miles from Damme > > >>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 03.08.2001 15.25 > Uhr >>> > Don, > > Thank you so much for the information. It sounds > like > I need to find the Damme microfilm at the FHC. The > problem is that it is going to be in German and hard > to read. But I have the same problem here with some > of the old church files. > > I have a question. Do you know what the "Levans" > and > the "As?" means? I don't have a clue. > > Thank you for your help. > > Barb > > > --- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote: > > Barb, > > > > I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside > > Damme on October 23, 1829. > > He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829 > > in Damme, as the son of > > Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff. > > > The godparents were > > listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and > > "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer. > > > > I have never been able to figure out the > difference > > between the "Levans" and > > the "As?". Also, I usually see two people listed > as > > the As?, but there was > > only one in Ferdinand's entry. The family is > listed > > as living in Ottings > > Liebzucht. > > > > You can find all this information, and presumably > > the other siblings in the > > microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family > > History Center. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Don > > > > > > In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern > > Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com > > writes: > > > > > > > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United > > States in > > > 1844. There were Puthoffs that came over with > > them. > > > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found > them > > in > > > the 1850 Census there. But my grandfather, > > Ferdinand > > > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death > in > > > 1914. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Barb > > > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote: > > > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came > from > > > > Damme to Cincinnati in the > > > > 1870's. His father Johann Gerhard Christopher > > > > Meyerose was born in > > > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. > > Where > > > > did your Meyrose's > > > > settle in the USA? The FHC Damme films may > have > > the > > > > answers. I also know > > > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme. > > > > > > > > Lee Mairose > > > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com> > > > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > > > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM > > > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am searching for any information on > > Ferdinand > > > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his > > > > > family. He came to the United States in May > > of > > > > 1844 with his mother Maria > > > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his > > sister > > > > Agnes and brother > > > > Franz. > > > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard > > Henry. > > > > At least that is what > > > > it > > > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage > application > > but > > > > it was hard to read. > > > > > > > > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His > > > > obituary said that he was 85 > > > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on > > > > November 17, 1914. So that > > > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 > or > > > > somewhere close to that. He > > > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come > on > > the > > > > same boat as Ferdinand > > > > > and his mother and siblings. I also haven't > > found > > > > evidence of his father > > > > > coming to America. And in 1880, a brother > > John > > > > shows up on the census > > > > with > > > > > him. But I have never found John anywhere > > else, > > > > so don't know where he > > > > came > > > > > from. John would have been born around 1837 > > as he > > > > is 43 in 1880. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed > on > > the > > > > passenger list as coming > > > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him > being > > > > from Oldenburg. > > > > > > > > > > Any information that anyone might have would > > be > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Date: 2001/08/04 22:18:14
From: kitt cooper <kittcooper(a)yahoo.com>
Barb, I am currently reading the church records from Damme. If I can look something up for you, I'll be glad to help. My e-mail address is kittcooper(a)yahoo.com. Kitt --- Barbara Schroy <baschr(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Don, > > Thank you so much for the information. It sounds > like > I need to find the Damme microfilm at the FHC. The > problem is that it is going to be in German and hard > to read. But I have the same problem here with some > of the old church files. > > I have a question. Do you know what the "Levans" > and > the "As?" means? I don't have a clue. > > Thank you for your help. > > Barb > > > --- Dem13(a)aol.com wrote: > > Barb, > > > > I believe your Ferdinand Mayrose was born outside > > Damme on October 23, 1829. > > He is listed as being baptised on October 27, 1829 > > in Damme, as the son of > > Hermann Heinrich Meyrose and Maria Engel Putthoff. > > > The godparents were > > listed as "Levans:" Johann Heinrich Kleine and > > "As?:" Anna Maria Meyer. > > > > I have never been able to figure out the > difference > > between the "Levans" and > > the "As?". Also, I usually see two people listed > as > > the As?, but there was > > only one in Ferdinand's entry. The family is > listed > > as living in Ottings > > Liebzucht. > > > > You can find all this information, and presumably > > the other siblings in the > > microfilmed records of Damme at any Morman Family > > History Center. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Don > > > > > > In a message dated 8/2/01 8:58:35 AM Eastern > > Daylight Time, baschr(a)yahoo.com > > writes: > > > > > > > Part of my Meyrose family came to the United > > States in > > > 1844. There were Puthoffs that came over with > > them. > > > They originally went to Cincinnati as I found > them > > in > > > the 1850 Census there. But my grandfather, > > Ferdinand > > > was in St. Louis, MO from 1852 until his death > in > > > 1914. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Barb > > > --- Lee Mairose <LMairose(a)one.net> wrote: > > > > My great grandfather, Frank N. Mairose came > from > > > > Damme to Cincinnati in the > > > > 1870's. His father Johann Gerhard Christopher > > > > Meyerose was born in > > > > Hunteburg in 1811 and died in Damme in 1854. > > Where > > > > did your Meyrose's > > > > settle in the USA? The FHC Damme films may > have > > the > > > > answers. I also know > > > > that there were Puthoff's in Damme. > > > > > > > > Lee Mairose > > > > Cincinnati, Ohio > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jerry M. Schroy" <jerry_schroy(a)msn.com> > > > > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > > > > Cc: <baschr(a)yahoo.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:21 PM > > > > Subject: [OL]Meyrose > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am searching for any information on > > Ferdinand > > > > Mayrose or Meyrose and his > > > > > family. He came to the United States in May > > of > > > > 1844 with his mother Maria > > > > > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his > > sister > > > > Agnes and brother > > > > Franz. > > > > > I believe that his father's name was Gerard > > Henry. > > > > At least that is what > > > > it > > > > > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage > application > > but > > > > it was hard to read. > > > > > > > > > > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His > > > > obituary said that he was 85 > > > > > years and seventeen days old when he died on > > > > November 17, 1914. So that > > > > > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 > or > > > > somewhere close to that. He > > > > > also had a brother Bernard who did not come > on > > the > > > > same boat as Ferdinand > > > > > and his mother and siblings. I also haven't > > found > > > > evidence of his father > > > > > coming to America. And in 1880, a brother > > John > > > > shows up on the census > > > > with > > > > > him. But I have never found John anywhere > > else, > > > > so don't know where he > > > > came > > > > > from. John would have been born around 1837 > > as he > > > > is 43 in 1880. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed > on > > the > > > > passenger list as coming > > > > > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him > being > > > > from Oldenburg. > > > > > > > > > > Any information that anyone might have would > > be > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot! > > > > > > > > > > B. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! 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Date: 2001/08/05 03:41:37
From: Clementzdp <Clementzdp(a)aol.com>
Date: 2001/08/05 23:59:51
From: Jean-Claude Billon <jean-claude.billon(a)tnn.ap-hop-paris.fr>
I apologize. Wrong adress. Jean-Claude Billon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Claude Billon" <jean-claude.billon(a)tnn.ap-hop-paris.fr> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 2:32 AM Subject: [OL]citations > http://www.gilles-jobin.org/citations/index.php?page=accueil > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/06 22:13:35
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
This from my website Damme-Auswanderung: Meyerrose, Witwe mit 4 Kindern bei Kötter Otting 5 Personen 1843 Osterfeine Meyrose, Berend 1 Person 1844 Damme Meyrose, Heinrich bei Kolon Wellerding 1 Personen 1845 Osterdamme Meyrose, Heuermann Gerhard mit 2 Kindern bei Kötter Bollers 3 Personen 1843 Dümmerlohausen Putthoff, Bernard bei Kolon Meyer 1 1845 Rüschendorf Putthoff, Bernd, Schneider, mit Frau und 2 Kindern bei Kolon Buning 4 1844 Osterfeine Putthoff, Dienstknecht - nach Cincinnati 1 1848 Rottinghausen Putthoff, Familie Johann Heinrich Putthoff bei Hakmann 4 1836 Rüschendorf Putthoff, Franz Heinrich und Johann Heinrich bei Kolon Meyer 2 1840 Rüschendorf Putthoff, Heinrich, Schneider, mit Frau und 6 Kindern bei Kolon Buning 8 1839 Osterfeine Putthoff, Henrich bei Kolon Meyer 1 1840 Osterfeine Putthoff, Hermann 1 1830 Damme Putthoff, Witwe mit 3 Kindern bei Kramer 4 1839 Osterfeine ------------------------------ > I am searching for any information on Ferdinand Mayrose or Meyrose and his > family. He came to the United States in May of 1844 with his mother Maria > Engel Meyrose (maiden name Puthoff) and his sister Agnes and brother > Franz. > I believe that his father's name was Gerard Henry. At least that is what > it > looks like on Ferdinand's marriage application but it was hard to read. > Ferdinand was born in October of 1829. His obituary said that he was 85 > years and seventeen days old when he died on November 17, 1914. So that > would make his birth date October 31, 1829 or somewhere close to that. He > also had a brother Bernard who did not come on the same boat as Ferdinand > and his mother and siblings. I also haven't found evidence of his father > coming to America. And in 1880, a brother John shows up on the census > with > him. But I have never found John anywhere else, so don't know where he > came > from. John would have been born around 1837 as he is 43 in 1880. > Anyway Ferdinand and his family are listed on the passenger list as coming > from Amt Damme and the censuses have him being from Oldenburg. > Any information that anyone might have would be helpful. > Thanks a lot! > B. > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/06 22:48:54
From: Els en Marianne <emkoek.mrozendaal(a)worldonline.nl>
I would like to know if also Cloppenburg has his own archive for public to visited and if so the times it is open. The Bischöflich Offizialat in Vechta, the days and times when it's open to consult the archive. Thanks for the information.
Date: 2001/08/07 12:06:37
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>
Hi, Mrs. and Mr. Mrozendaal, I can tell you that the: Offizialatsarchiv in Vechta has got the following times to open: Mo throug Thursday --- 10 to 16h Fr through 9 to 12h Address: Offizialatsarchiv Vechta, Kolpingstr. 14, D-49377 Vechta, Phone: +49--4441-872231 (Mr. Baumann, Mr. Sieve or Mrs. Vonhusen) Hope it helps Have always a good and a happy hunting! Lothar Grafe from Osnabrück, Lower Saxony, Germany Haesli2(a)yahoo.com PS: It maybe necessary to phone to one of them, because the room to look for the records is quite little. --- Els en Marianne <emkoek.mrozendaal(a)worldonline.nl> wrote: > I would like to know if also Cloppenburg has his own > archive for public to visited and if so the times it > is open. The Bischöflich Offizialat in Vechta, the > days and times when it's open to consult the > archive. Thanks for the information. > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l ===== I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Date: 2001/08/07 13:50:51
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
The Archive of the Offizialat in Vechta has the church records for the Cloppenburg parishes as well. For civil records in the area of Cloppenburg you should look at the State Archive in Oldenburg, Damm 43. They are open daily from 8:00 until 16:00. Gerold Diers
Date: 2001/08/07 18:03:07
From: Bruett43 <Bruett43(a)aol.com>
Hello all of You, does somebody of our American friends have any dates or informations at the surnames BRUETT, BRUETTE, BRUITT, BRUTT, BRUTTE or any varies writing. Any help will be appreciated. Best regards Hermann Brütt from Germany!
Date: 2001/08/07 19:37:11
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>
There are two listings of "Pruett" in the Racine, Wisconsin, phone directory. Any possibility that's the same name? Good luck with your searches. Marilyn Bruett43(a)aol.com wrote: > Hello all of You, > does somebody of our American friends have any dates or informations at the > surnames BRUETT, BRUETTE, BRUITT, BRUTT, BRUTTE or any varies > writing. Any help will be appreciated. > Best regards > Hermann Brütt from Germany! > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/08 17:55:25
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>
Moin Hohe Liste, ich suche Mitsuchende, die nach folgenden Namen in Dinklage forschen: Schumacher Ostendorf Stricker(s) Thomann/Thamann Middendorf Ferneding Eilers Schmedding Stuke Bier/Byer Schwegmann Blömer Ko(c)kenge Brothe Witkorn Fuhrmann Willenborg zu Hone Gier/Gyer Daten und Vornamen sind selbstverständlich vorhanden, aber da es sich um "Nebenlinien" handelt, sind diese Linien von mir leider noch nicht großartig erforscht. Vielen Dank im voraus MfG Christian Delhey
Date: 2001/08/08 17:58:29
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste - nun meine 2. mail: Dieses Mal betrifft es den schoenen Ort Lohne Broerding Fischer Braegemann Lueken Fortmann Bokern Michelmann Fortmann Diekmann Auch hier sind Daten und Vornamen selbstverstaendlich vorhanden, aber da es sich wiederum um "Nebenlinien" handelt, sind diese Linien von mir leider kaum erforscht. Vielen Dank im voraus MfG Christian Delhey
Date: 2001/08/08 20:00:18
From: Johanna Zurborg <Johanna(a)Zurborg.de>
Hallo, ja die Eltern der Anna Catharina Bokern habe ich. Die Eltern waren Zeller in Bokern. Lubertus Bokern, * 7.2.1706 in Bokern oo 27.9.1733 in Lohne Anna Margaretha Vossing, * 20.10.1713 in Bokern. Die Eltern des Lubertus sind: Lübbe Bokern ,* 1668 oo 14.11.1702 in Lohne, Margaretha Trenkamp, * ? in Lohne. Mit freundlichem Gruß Johanna Zurborg
Date: 2001/08/08 20:03:28
From: Johanna Zurborg <Johanna(a)Zurborg.de>
Hallo, wenn Sie mir mitteilen, was Sie genau suchen, könnte ich Ihnen bestimmt behilflich sein, da ich gebürtig aus Dinklage stamme. Mit freundlichem Gruß Johanna Zurborg
Date: 2001/08/08 20:57:02
From: Dirk Unterbrink <Dirk(a)unterbrink.net>
Hallo, ich suche und forsche nach allen Namensträgern Bohlsen aus Scharrel. Wer hat Bohlsen in der Ahnenliste?
Date: 2001/08/08 23:52:29
From: Jens Delger <Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de>
Um welches Scharrel handelt es sich? Es gibt einen Ort Scharrel im Landkrs. Cloppenburg und ein kleines Dorf Scharrel in der Gemeinde Detern, Ostfriesland. Und im OSB Detern findet sich die Hausmannsfamilie Bohlsen (Boelsen) aus dem Dörfchen Barge (nahe Scharrel). Wenn ich näheres zum gesuchten Probanden wüsste, dann könnte ich nochmal im OSB Detern nachsehen. - Zu meinen Ahnen gehören die Bohlsens jedenfalls nicht. Jens Delger ---------- Von: Dirk Unterbrink <Dirk(a)unterbrink.net> An: 'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net' Betreff: [OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel Datum: Mittwoch, 8. August 2001 20:57 Hallo, ich suche und forsche nach allen Namensträgern Bohlsen aus Scharrel. Wer hat Bohlsen in der Ahnenliste? _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l ----------
Date: 2001/08/09 01:40:28
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>
Hilfe bitte, meine Ahnen mit der nahme Fick, Krabbenhöft, Brügmann, Kind, Nehring zu finden Die adressen sind Süssau, Nusse u.s.w. habe Fick-name in Grube Kirchenbuch unter vermisten in 1. weltkrieg gesehen. War auf weg zu der Standesamt in Oldenburg aber es war um 12 Uhr geschlossen. Ich wohne in Dänemark. Viele grüsse Ester Fick.
Date: 2001/08/09 02:13:42
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>
Ich war in Wismar und habe die Standesamt dort und in Neukloster (Süzow)besucht leider war dort keinen mit der nahme Fick. Ich habe zu erst an die Süzow in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern geglaubt, aber in meine Swiegervaters pas von 1917, steht es Süssau, Holstein,Preussen. Auf die heiratsurkunde steht es Süssau, Oldenburg. Leider kan ich nieman fragen, Sie sind alle Tot. Ich habe auch gesehen dass man Fick mit V geschrieben hat. Und vielleicht gibt es mehrere Süssau-s in Deutschland. ich finde es sehr swierig aber arbeitet weiter und hoffe schon was zu finden. Grus Ester Fick.Sonderborg.
Date: 2001/08/09 05:14:15
From: Dirk Unterbrink <Dirk(a)unterbrink.net>
Es handelt sich um den Ort Scharrel im Saterland, welches zum Landkreis Cloppenburg gehört. Danke für den hinweis zum Ort Scharrel in der Gemeinde Detern. Von diesem Ort wusste ich nichts. Dirk Unterbrink -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jens Delger [SMTP:Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de] Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 8. August 2001 23:08 An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Betreff: Re: [OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel Um welches Scharrel handelt es sich? Es gibt einen Ort Scharrel im Landkrs. Cloppenburg und ein kleines Dorf Scharrel in der Gemeinde Detern, Ostfriesland. Und im OSB Detern findet sich die Hausmannsfamilie Bohlsen (Boelsen) aus dem Dörfchen Barge (nahe Scharrel). Wenn ich näheres zum gesuchten Probanden wüsste, dann könnte ich nochmal im OSB Detern nachsehen. - Zu meinen Ahnen gehören die Bohlsens jedenfalls nicht. Jens Delger ---------- Von: Dirk Unterbrink <Dirk(a)unterbrink.net> An: 'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net' Betreff: [OL]Bohlsen aus Scharrel Datum: Mittwoch, 8. August 2001 20:57 Hallo, ich suche und forsche nach allen Namensträgern Bohlsen aus Scharrel. Wer hat Bohlsen in der Ahnenliste? _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l ---------- _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
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Date: 2001/08/09 17:43:54
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Es gibt m.E. nur ein Süssau in Deutschland. Hierbei handelt es sich um das Dorf Süssau welches zur Gemeinde Heringsdorf im Landkreis Oldenburg-Holstein (OH) gehört. Also im Land Schleswig-Holstein gelegen ist, am Wege nach Fehmarn ( 5 km südwestlich von Heringsdorf an der Ostseeküste). In Oldenburg-Holstein gibt es zwei Fick Adressen, siehe www.teleauskunft.de Diese Liste deckt nur den Regierungsbezirk Oldenburg in Oldenburg ab und liegt im Land Niedersachsen. Gruss Werner > Ich war in Wismar und habe die Standesamt dort und in Neukloster > (Süzow)besucht leider war dort keinen mit der nahme Fick. Ich habe zu erst > an die Süzow in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern geglaubt, aber in meine > Swiegervaters > pas von 1917, steht es Süssau, Holstein,Preussen. Auf die heiratsurkunde > steht es Süssau, Oldenburg. Leider kan ich nieman fragen, Sie sind alle > Tot. > Ich habe auch gesehen dass man Fick mit V geschrieben hat. Und vielleicht > gibt es mehrere Süssau-s in Deutschland. ich finde es sehr swierig aber > arbeitet weiter und hoffe schon was zu finden. > Grus Ester Fick.Sonderborg. > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/09 21:28:32
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>
Hi, Christian, ich habe Ferneding in meiner Liste (ein Ferneding * 1856 in Langwege bei Dinklage, um genau zu sein) :-) Bis zur nächsten Mail Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück Haesli2(a)yahoo.com --- Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de> wrote: > Moin Hohe Liste, > > ich suche Mitsuchende, die nach folgenden Namen in > Dinklage forschen: > > Schumacher > > Ostendorf > > Stricker(s) > > Thomann/Thamann > > Middendorf > > Ferneding > > Eilers > > Schmedding > > Stuke > > Bier/Byer > > Schwegmann > > Blömer > > Ko(c)kenge > > Brothe > > Witkorn > > Fuhrmann > > Willenborg > > zu Hone > > Gier/Gyer > > Daten und Vornamen sind selbstverständlich > vorhanden, aber da es sich um > "Nebenlinien" handelt, sind diese Linien von mir > leider noch nicht großartig > erforscht. > > Vielen Dank im voraus > > MfG > > Christian Delhey > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l ===== I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Date: 2001/08/09 22:39:54
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Lothar, > > ich habe Ferneding in meiner Liste (ein Ferneding * > 1856 in Langwege bei Dinklage, um genau zu sein) :-) > meinen scheinen direkt aus Dinklage zu kommen - 1856 waren sie auch schon wider verschwunden :-) Die letzte Ferneding, Friederike Elisabeth, geb.: 1833 in D., heiratete Bernhard Alexander Schumacher. Ihre Eltern waren: Johannes Heinrich Mathias Ferneding und Anna Catharina Gier Gru? aus Munster Christian Delhey
Date: 2001/08/09 22:53:28
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>
Vielen dank, für die antwort, Ich muss diese gegend absuchen, und hofe das es etwas gibt. Der Deutche geografi und Historie ist ein bischen swierich für mich. Aber man lernt ja jeden tag.Vielen dank Ester Fick.
Date: 2001/08/10 02:13:52
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>
Wer hat dieses Buch oder bekommt es gelegentlich in die Hände ??? Heinrich Wilhelm Rotermund, Das gelehrte Hannover, oder, Lexicon von Schriftstellern und Schriftstellerinnen, gelehrten Geschäfts-männern und Künstlern ... Bremen, bey Carl Schünemann. 1823. Suche die dort angegebenen Namensträger Friederici. ____________________________________________ Georg Friederici _______________ www.friederici.de
Date: 2001/08/10 04:56:58
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
Lothar, My urgrossmutter was Elisabeth Ferneding, b 1843 in Holdorf, Damme, d 1882 in Cincinnati, Ohio, U.S.A. Her father, Johann Heinrich Ferneding was born in Holdorf 29 December 1796, married Cath. Elis. Pille, b 1825 in Dinklage, Oldenburg. Elisabeth was their seventh child. His father was Johann Bernard Ferneding, b 16 April 1754, married Elisabeth Bagge aus Holdorf. His father was Johann Ferneding, aus Holdorf, b about 1752, married Elisabeth Fangman aus Holdorf. There are other Fernedings from Ihorst, part of Holdorf, and there is still a Ferneding family on their farm there, Reinhold and his frau, Mechtild. He is descended from Ferdinand Hoeltermann, who married into the Ferneding family and assumed their name by marryiing a widowed Ferneding daughter-in law in 1792.. Joseph Ferneding, b 1802, Ihorst, d 1872, Cincinnati was one of their kinder. Joseph was a Catholic priest of some renown in his time. I researched and wrote a biographical paper on Joseph's life in the past three years. If you see any links to these Fernedings, I would like to hear from you on them. Regards, Bob
Date: 2001/08/10 08:30:58
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>
No, Cloppenburg has no archives, local and regional administrative records should be at the Niedersaechsisches Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg, Damm 43, Mon, Wed, Fri 08 - 16 h, Tue & Thu 08 - 18:30 h You might find some old Cloppenburg records at the Museumsdorf Cloppenburg, you will have to ask your way, they have no accomodations for the public interested in such paperwork - but they do have an own website, someone in the mailing list will be able to tell you Bischoeflich Muenstersches Offizialats-Archiv, Kolpingstrasse, Vechta Mon - Thu 08:30 - 16:00 h, Fri 08:30 - 12:00 Greetings Falk Liebezeit, Diepholz >>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 06.08.2001 00.23 Uhr >>> I would like to know if also Cloppenburg has his own archive for public to visited and if so the times it is open. The Bischöflich Offizialat in Vechta, the days and times when it's open to consult the archive. Thanks for the information. _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/10 09:06:41
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>
Das klingt aber sehr nach Schleswig-Holstein. Du solltest es in Kiel im Evangelisch-Lutherischen Landeskirchenarchiv versuchen Du skulle skrive til Evangelisches Landeskirchliches Archiv i Kiel Winterbeker Weg 51, 24114 Kiel Tel. 0431-64986-0, Fax 0431-680836 Gruss - Hilsen Falk Liebezeit, Diepholz >>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 09.08.2001 01.39 Uhr >>> Hilfe bitte, meine Ahnen mit der nahme Fick, Krabbenhöft, Brügmann, Kind, Nehring zu finden Die adressen sind Süssau, Nusse u.s.w. habe Fick-name in Grube Kirchenbuch unter vermisten in 1. weltkrieg gesehen. War auf weg zu der Standesamt in Oldenburg aber es war um 12 Uhr geschlossen. Ich wohne in Dänemark. Viele grüsse Ester Fick. _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/10 12:04:52
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>
Vielen Dank, Ich glaube auch das der Süssau, bei der stadt Oldenburg liegt. Auf eine alte Ausweis vom 1917 steht es Sössau, Holstein, Preussen, ich habe immer geglaubt es war Süssow in Mechlenburg-Strelitz oder Vorpommern,und dort war es auch verschiedene Fick.s aber ich vermisse die verbindenen link. Ich danke für die adresse - NB:Taler De dansk eller er det computeren der oversætter? Gruss Ester Fick, Sonderborg.DK
Date: 2001/08/10 21:51:21
From: John and Jean Earl <jearl(a)home.com>
Hello List Members!
My Dinklage and Essen in Oldenburg list consists of the
following family names:
GIER, ORTMANN, BLOMER, HOLZ, HINXLAGE, MOORMANN, AVERWATER,
RACKHORST, KOKENGE, WEFER, WILLENBORG, THOMAN, BRUNING, STRATEGIER,
HEINEMANN, KALFELAGE (CALVELAGE), LANGHORST, KOKENGE, BOCKLAGE, KROGER,
ROLFES, WEHAGE, IMBUSCH, STRATEGIER, HOLLERBROCK, RUHOLL, GRAVE,
HINXLAGE, KAMPHAUS, DWERLKOTTE, SCHMEDDINCK, BAHLMAN, ESPELAGE, NIEMAN,
RUHOLL, SCHULTE, VAGEDINCK, SCHWEGMANN, BALEMAN, BARLAGE, MIDDENDORF,
HACKMANN, SEXTRO, DIECKMAN, STRUVING, BARLAGE and also PRULLAGE.
Members of the GIER, ORTMANN & PRULLAGE families left for North
America in the 1850's, 1860's and 1870's and settled in Cincinnati,
Ohio.
With best wishes,
Jean Gear (Gier) Earl
Date: 2001/08/11 02:54:39
From: rgriffin <rgriffin(a)sdcoe.k12.ca.us>
UNSCRIBE
Date: 2001/08/11 03:14:22
From: John Lane <lane73(a)msn.com>
yes, unscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: rgriffin Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 7:57 PM To: oldenburg Subject: [OL]UNSCRIBE UNSCRIBE _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/11 08:54:09
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Liste, seit ein paar Wochen bin ich Mitleser der Oldenburg-Liste. Einige Antworten bezüglich des Zuständigkeitsbereiches dieser Liste, die gegenüber Frau Fick geäußert wurden, haben auch mich irritiert. Warum sind die holsteinischen Gebiete des Grossherzogtums Oldenburg aus dieser Liste ausgeschlossen? Ich bin auf der Suche nach OHMSTEDEs im Bereich Brake - Elsfleth, insbesondere in den Ortschaften Hammelwarden, Kirchhammelwarden, Hammelwardermoor und Fünfhausen, aber auch im Bereich Eutin. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christoph Haupt
Date: 2001/08/11 10:58:50
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Es gibt eben nur sehr wenige verwandtschaftliche Beziehungen zwischen
Einwohnern im ehemaligen 'holsteinischen' Oldenburg und dem Oldenburger
Kernland. Deswegen sind Eutiner etc. bei Famnord besser aufgehoben.
Sind Sie schon mal folgenden Hinweisen nachgegangen ? (Die meisten dieser
Dinge liegen im Staatsarchiv Oldenburg - Bestand OGF):
Ohmstede (Frerk Ohmstede, Wiarden,1585--1648). St.T., 11 Gen., H., P.
,OJB40Ohmstede, 800 Jahre, Oldb 1958.
Darin:Geschichte der Ortschaften Ohmstede und Bornhorst, von Heinrich
Munderloh ,OJB69Ohmstede, Abelius
(1834--1864), Weinhändlerin Jever, u. seine Frau Antonie geb. von Heimburg
(1842--1879); JHK 1971 S. 20 ,OJB75Ohmstede,
Behrend (1752--1824), einjeverländischer Bauer als Kauf- und Geldmann um
1800, von Karl Fissen; JHK 1965S. 52 ff. ,OJB69
Ohmstede, Die Ohmsteder Kirche, Entstehungund Geschichte, Festschrift
anläßlich der 75-Jahrfeier im Jahr 1976, Oldenburg1976
,OJB75Ohmstede, Jade, (Gerd vor 1755), St.T. vonJ.H. Gräper, H.
,OJB51Ohmstede, Mitteilungen über die
FamilieOhmstede, O,G.F. , OJB40
Ohmstede,Oldenburger Wappentafel 10; OHK 1986 S. 54
,OF92Ohmstede, Rudolf Heinrich, Bauer, *Oldenbrok-Niederort 12. 5. 1921,
A.T. (Ohmstede, Wöhler, Ohmstede, Meinardus;Stegie, Ahlers, Meinardus,
Meinardus), H. ,OJB51Ohmstede, s. Jeverl.
Familien
Viele Grüße
Gerold Diers (Oldb. Gesellschaft für Familienkunde)
Date: 2001/08/11 14:09:22
From: hschlutow <HSchlutow(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Christoph Haupt,
CHaupt schrieb:
> Liebe Liste,
>
> seit ein paar Wochen bin ich Mitleser der Oldenburg-Liste. Einige Antworten
> bezüglich des Zuständigkeitsbereiches dieser Liste, die gegenüber Frau Fick
> geäußert wurden, haben auch mich irritiert.
> Warum sind die holsteinischen Gebiete des Grossherzogtums Oldenburg aus
> dieser
> Liste ausgeschlossen?
>
> Ich bin auf der Suche nach OHMSTEDEs im Bereich Brake - Elsfleth,
> insbesondere in
> den Ortschaften Hammelwarden, Kirchhammelwarden, Hammelwardermoor und
> Fünfhausen,
> aber auch im Bereich Eutin.
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> Christoph Haupt
>
die Oldenburg-Liste ist für die Orte, die Du aufgelistet hast, sicher zuständig.
Für den Bereich Eutin ist eine andere Mailingliste zuständig.
Schau mal auf die Internet-Seite
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/
Dort findest Du eine Menge Mailinglisten - auch für Schleswig-Holstein.
Beste Grüße
Heinz
Date: 2001/08/11 20:35:33
From: HSchoon <HSchoon(a)aol.com>
Hallo,ich bin auch auf der Suche nach Ohmstedes. Ich habe auch einige in der Datei. Bitte melde Dich !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kirsten
Date: 2001/08/12 10:07:45
From: Jasper Parrott <jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk>
Dear List Since I constantly receive endless copies of messages about other genealogical inquiries, it seems odd to me that I have heard from no-one about these three names. I would be gratweful for any help, akso for any useful e mail addresses for central historical or genealogical archives in Oldenburg. I presume there must also be some documentation about prominent Oldenburgers active in the wine trade in the late 18th/early 20th centuries. Can anyone kindly give me a very brief summary of what the Grandduchy's status was during the Napoleonic wars ? I've read that there was a biref occupation but what happened later ? Regards Jasper PARROTT -----Original Message----- From: Jasper Parrott [mailto:jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk] <mailto:[mailto:jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk]> Sent: 30 July 2001 16:05 To: 'Oldenburg Genealogy' Cc: Jasper Parrott Subject: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families Dear Subscribers I asm interested in researching the connection between three Oldenburg families of the 19th century who were active in the Bordeaux area. The names are: Henri (or Heinrich ) Damann Charles Louis Michaelsen Frederic Louis Kuehlmann Caroline Emilie Kuehlmann Frederic Louis Kuehlmann was Consul for Oldenburg in Bordeaux in 1855 M.J. Michaelsen was Consul for Oldenburg in Bordeaux in 1867 Any help much appreciated. 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Date: 2001/08/12 10:56:31
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Hello, could it be that these persons, besides acting as Consul for Oldenburg, also acted as Consul for others, like Bremen and/or Denmark ? Then these people wouldn't necessarily come from Oldenburg. The name Michaelsen points to Denmark or Norway. Gerold Diers
Date: 2001/08/12 11:16:30
From: Jasper Parrott <jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk>
Dear Herr Diers Thanks for your quick reply. You make a very intelligent point and I too have assume that Michaelsen must be originally Danish ...However, the documentation I have makes no mention of any other consular responsibilities and the Michaelsen family had quite a large and thriving business in Bordeaux for at least 60-70 years. At the end there was a marriage connection to the Bordeaux family Vieillard which had a very large and successful porcelain factory in Bordeaux. So if they were also representing other States prior to the Bismarkian unification, I'm sure it would have been mentioned in some of the documents I have read so far. The reason why I am interested in all of this is that I own a house in Entre-deux- mers built in 1779 and owned by the Michaelsens from about 1836 having acquired it by marriage from the family Kuhlmann who, in turn, seem to have received it from a Henri (Heinrich ) Damann.The Kuhlmann familly came from both Oldenburg and Preussen....So far, I have faied to trace back the notarial records to the first owner of the house Although many foreigners were very active in the wine business (and other trades ) in Bordeaux in the late 18th and 19th century, it seems strange that Oldenburgers would have installed themselves in such a small provinicial setting involving at least (at that time) a carraige journey of 7-8 hours from Bordeaux. I wonder whether during the period of Napoleonic occupation, some enterprising Oldenburgers extended their business and property interests in Bordeaux. In general, I am interested in the micro-history of our small but pleasant region because for some time I've been contemplating a book about it... Regards and thanks for your imput Jasper Parrott -----Original Message----- From: GDiers9488(a)aol.com [mailto:GDiers9488(a)aol.com] Sent: 12 August 2001 09:56 To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families Hello, could it be that these persons, besides acting as Consul for Oldenburg, also acted as Consul for others, like Bremen and/or Denmark ? Then these people wouldn't necessarily come from Oldenburg. The name Michaelsen points to Denmark or Norway. Gerold Diers _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l HARRISON/PARROTT LTD. Artist and Project Management 12 Penzance Place, London W11 4PA, U.K. Tel: +44 (0)20 7229 9166, Fax: +44 (0)20 7221 5042 website: http://www.harrisonparrott.com -------------------------------------------------- The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. If you experience any problems with opening and reading emails, and attachments from Harrison Parrott Ltd, or you are not the intended recipient, please contact the Systems Administrator on +44 (0)20 7313 3547 or email administrator(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk
Date: 2001/08/12 19:59:12
From: Jasper Parrott <jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk>
Lieber Herr Diers Sind Sie derselbe G. Diers der arbeitet auch in Oldenburg Staatsarchiv ? Wenn so, waere es moeglicht weiteres ueber die ehemalige Oldenburger Consuls im Bordeaux weiter ueber Sie zu untersuchen ? Ich bin ein Anfaenger mit dieser Art e mailforschung... Herr Juergen Dress hat mir freundlicherweie hilfreiche Auskuenft geschickt ueber Dammann und Kuehlmann (koennte es auch Kuhlmann ohne Umlaut auch geschrieben sein ?) die voraussichtlich kaum im Oldenburger bebiet ansaessig waren... Aber, als Oldeburger Consuls nehme ich an dass es irgendowo weitere Spueren im Staatarchiv zu finden sind. Vielen Dank im Voraus fuer Ihre Muehe und freundliche Unterstuetzung. Gruesse Jasper Parrott -----Original Message----- From: Jasper Parrott [mailto:jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk] Sent: 12 August 2001 10:13 To: 'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net' Cc: Jasper Parrott Subject: RE: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families Dear Herr Diers Thanks for your quick reply. You make a very intelligent point and I too have assume that Michaelsen must be originally Danish ...However, the documentation I have makes no mention of any other consular responsibilities and the Michaelsen family had quite a large and thriving business in Bordeaux for at least 60-70 years. At the end there was a marriage connection to the Bordeaux family Vieillard which had a very large and successful porcelain factory in Bordeaux. So if they were also representing other States prior to the Bismarkian unification, I'm sure it would have been mentioned in some of the documents I have read so far. The reason why I am interested in all of this is that I own a house in Entre-deux- mers built in 1779 and owned by the Michaelsens from about 1836 having acquired it by marriage from the family Kuhlmann who, in turn, seem to have received it from a Henri (Heinrich ) Damann.The Kuhlmann familly came from both Oldenburg and Preussen....So far, I have faied to trace back the notarial records to the first owner of the house Although many foreigners were very active in the wine business (and other trades ) in Bordeaux in the late 18th and 19th century, it seems strange that Oldenburgers would have installed themselves in such a small provinicial setting involving at least (at that time) a carraige journey of 7-8 hours from Bordeaux. I wonder whether during the period of Napoleonic occupation, some enterprising Oldenburgers extended their business and property interests in Bordeaux. In general, I am interested in the micro-history of our small but pleasant region because for some time I've been contemplating a book about it... Regards and thanks for your imput Jasper Parrott -----Original Message----- From: GDiers9488(a)aol.com [mailto:GDiers9488(a)aol.com] Sent: 12 August 2001 09:56 To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: FW: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families Hello, could it be that these persons, besides acting as Consul for Oldenburg, also acted as Consul for others, like Bremen and/or Denmark ? Then these people wouldn't necessarily come from Oldenburg. The name Michaelsen points to Denmark or Norway. Gerold Diers _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l HARRISON/PARROTT LTD. 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Date: 2001/08/12 21:12:24
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Ester, nach dem alten Atlas meines Urgroßvaters von 1897 ist Süssau ein Schloss an der Neustädter Bucht nördlich des Gaarzer Sees, ungefähr 10km nördlich von Dahme. In unmittelbarer Nachbarschaft (ca. 2km nördlich) befand sich noch das Schloss Siggen. Vielleicht hilft diese Information Dir weiter. Liebe Grüße Ingrid Heine
Date: 2001/08/12 21:38:09
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Christian, einige von deinen Lohner Namen habe ich auch: Braegelmann (= Brogelmann?, = Breugelmann?) Johann van Brogel, * ca. 1510 Brogelmann, * ca. 1550 Arnd Brogelmann, * ca. 1650 Hilcke Breugelmann, * ca. 1670 Fortmann Johann Schulte sive Fortmann, * ca. 1610 Lucia Fortmann, * ca. 16338 Kannst du was damit anfangen? Otto
Date: 2001/08/12 21:38:09
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Christian, einige von deinen Namen habe ich auch, wenn ich sie teilweise auch nicht in Verbindung mit Dinklage gebracht habe: Schmedding aus Emsbüren Willenborg aus Lohne(?) Hnerich Willenborg, * ca. 1670 Gertrud Willenborg, * 18.10.1701 Kannst du eine Verbindung sehen? Otto
Date: 2001/08/12 21:38:15
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>
Hi John and Jean, I found some of your names in my list, too: Willenborg Henrich Willenborg, * ca. 1670 Gertrud Willenborg, * 18.10.1701 Calvelage Anna Catharina Calvelage, * ca. 1670 Schmedding from Emsbueren Any connections? Otto
Date: 2001/08/12 22:33:05
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>
Vielen dank, ich werde versuchen näher drann zu kommen, ich habe geglaubt das es in Mecklenburg war, dann Oldenburg, und nun Holstein. Ich war in Süssau,auf der weg zu der standesamt in der stadt Oldenburg, aber leider war es am 12.00 uhr geschlossen. Schade.Danke Ester Fick.
Date: 2001/08/12 22:53:04
From: Matthias Asseln <matthias.asseln(a)kielnet.net>
Hallo Ester, die Namen die Du suchst hören sich tatsächlich alle sehr holsteinisch an. Ich habe mal für den Bereich Kiel (Landeshauptstadt Schleswig-Holstein) das Telefonbuch durchgeschaut und auf anhieb 4 Namen Fick gefunden. Der Name Krabbenhöft ist mir aus der Gemeinde Gettorf bei Kiel geläufig. Viele Grüße Matthias -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Ester Fick Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. August 2001 01:39 An: 'oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net' Betreff: [OL]Hilfe bitte! Ahnen zu finden. Hilfe bitte, meine Ahnen mit der nahme Fick, Krabbenhöft, Brügmann, Kind, Nehring zu finden Die adressen sind Süssau, Nusse u.s.w. habe Fick-name in Grube Kirchenbuch unter vermisten in 1. weltkrieg gesehen. War auf weg zu der Standesamt in Oldenburg aber es war um 12 Uhr geschlossen. Ich wohne in Dänemark. Viele grüsse Ester Fick. _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/12 23:51:51
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>
Vielen dank, Ich hoffe das ich näher drann kommen, die mit E-mail habe ich gescrieben, aber keine antwort bekommen. ich habe auch die Standesamt geschrieben, hoffentlich wird es was. Noch mals danke. Ester Fick.
Date: 2001/08/13 01:04:48
From: Caeser1932 <Caeser1932(a)aol.com>
Jean
I noticed that you have the name Hinxlage on your Dinklage list. My ggm was
Elizabeth Hinxlage from Dinklage b. 1835. She immirated to Covington, Ky
circa 1850. Do you have any information on the Hinxlage family in Dinklage?
Jerry Twohig
caeser1932(a)aol.com
Date: 2001/08/13 01:54:17
From: M Wethington <mwethington(a)home.com>
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Date: 2001/08/13 02:15:13
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>
To the listers who may be able to help: My husband's ancestors came from the Oldenburg area. His name was Johann Heinrich Joseph Gortemoller, born 18 May 1800, Kloster Lage, Rieste ?. Married Elizabeth Tangemann Korte Gortemoller and came to the United States 1836-37. Cannot find the name of the village they lived in or when exactly they did emigrate. Do know that Johann Heinrich's father was Johann Bernard Joseph Gortemoller nee Becker born 1768 but can go no furthur back than that time period. Can anyone help? I wish I had studied German for longer than two years since after 50 years I remember very little. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Sophie Gottemoller
Date: 2001/08/13 02:24:47
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>
ERICH FRIDERICI http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRMACHT/HEER/General-Heer_E-H.html SUCHE Verbindung zu Nachkommen seiner Familie. Sein Bruder Kurtgerhard Friderici (* 1908, X 1941) hatte einen Sohn: RONALD FRIDERICI (* um 1940) in Wuppertal ? CD-Info 1999 Handy Nr. nicht mehr gültig ! ___________________________________________ Suche Adresse, Tel., Mail von RONALD FRIDERICI ___________________________________________ Georg Friederici _______________ www.friederici.de
Date: 2001/08/13 04:55:43
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>
Hallo Herr Felschen, mich würde interessieren, welche Quellen Sie für Ihre Daten benutzt haben. Ich habe eine Elisabeth Hempelman aus dem Kirchspiel Lohne in meiner Ahnenliste. Ihr berechnetes Geburtsjahr ist 1669. Habe ich eine Chance, die Eltern ausfindig zu machen? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Hubert Bomas http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Felschen > Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. August 2001 21:38 > An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net > Betreff: Re: [OL]Namen in Lohne > > > Hallo Christian, > einige von deinen Lohner Namen habe ich auch: > Braegelmann (= Brogelmann?, = Breugelmann?) > Johann van Brogel, * ca. 1510 > Brogelmann, * ca. 1550 > Arnd Brogelmann, * ca. 1650 > Hilcke Breugelmann, * ca. 1670 > > Fortmann > Johann Schulte sive Fortmann, * ca. 1610 > Lucia Fortmann, * ca. 16338 > > Kannst du was damit anfangen? > Otto > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2001/08/13 05:13:09
From: John and Jean Earl <jearl(a)home.com>
Hello Otto, Thanks for contacting me. I have the following WILLENBORGS: Anna Adelheid WILLENBORG, daughter of Heinrich WILLENBORG and Engl AVERWATER gnt. BOCKMANN born about 5 July 1732 in Dinklage died in September 1801 married Johann Heinrich BLOMER on 13 November 1758 in Dinklage Heinrich WILLENBORG born in Dinklage died in Dinklage? And a few SCHMEDDINCKS: Elisabetha SCHMEDDINCK, daughter of Gerdt SCHMEDDINCK and ?? born about 1659 in Dinklage died ?? married Johan CALVELAGE on 19 November 1621 in Dinklage Gerdt SCHMEDDINCK born about 1617 died 15 August 1684 in Dinklage And the CALVELAGES: Maria Gertrud CALVELAGE, daughter of Johann CALVELAGE and Elisabetha SCHMEDDINCK born about 7 December 1695 in Dinklage died in June 1760 married Heinrich BLOMER on 7 November 1719 in Dinklage Johann CALVELAGE born before 1669 died ? married Elisabetha SCHMEDDINCK on 19 November 1691 in Dinklage ...... another KALFELAGE family: Anna Catharina kl. KALFELAGE, daughter of Johann KALFELAGE and Catharina Elisabetha GRAVE born about 1 November 1745 in Dinklage died 10 March 1816 in Dinklage married Johann Heinrich RACKHORST on 23 October 1770 in Lohne Johann KALFELAGE, son of Arend KALFELAGE and Anna BLOMER born 11 December 1710 in Dinklage died ? married Cathatina Elisabetha GRAVE on 21 May 1743 in Dinklage Arend KALFELAGE born ? died before 1750 married Anna BLOMER (Anna BLOMER born about 1670) I hope this helps. With best wishes, Jean Felschen wrote: > > Hi John and Jean, > I found some of your names in my list, too: > Willenborg > Henrich Willenborg, * ca. 1670 > Gertrud Willenborg, * 18.10.1701 > Calvelage > Anna Catharina Calvelage, * ca. 1670 > Schmedding from Emsbueren > > Any connections? > Otto > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/13 10:07:02
From: hschlutow <HSchlutow(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Ester Fick, Ester Fick schrieb: > Vielen dank, Ich hoffe das ich näher drann kommen, die mit E-mail habe ich > gescrieben, aber keine antwort bekommen. ich habe auch die Standesamt > geschrieben, hoffentlich wird es was. Noch mals danke. Ester Fick. > Du wirst Antwort mit der Post bekommen, wie ich Dir schrieb. Das kann natürlich noch ein paar Tage dauern. Das machen die von der Stadtverwaltung Schleswig wohl aus Datenschutz-Gründen oder was für Gründe die auch immer haben ;-) Beste Grüße Heinz
Date: 2001/08/13 10:14:27
From: Ester Fick <ester.fick(a)Sonderborg.dk>
Das werde schön, ich habe viele familien, aber vermisse das Link, viele sind nach America ausgewandert u.z.w.Und ich habe meine Ahnen aber vermisse mein mans Ahnen. Vielen dank Ester Fick.
Date: 2001/08/13 11:08:49
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>
Hallo - gibt es vielleicht jemanden, der so nett wäre, mal in den Kirchenbüchern von Hoya für mich nachzusehen? Meine Ur-Ur-Großmutter Wilhelmine Friederike Bischoff muß dort geboren worden sein. Da sie 1847 geheiratet hat, vermute ich, ihre Geburt war im Zeitraum 1820 - 1830. Ich weiß nur, daß der Vater Wilhelm hieß und vor Januar 1847 gestorben sein muß - ansontsen habe ich keinerlei Informationen über die Familie. Mein Schreiben an die Ev. Kirchengemeinde wurde leider überhaupt nicht beantwortet. Meine Hoffnung: vielleicht wohnt ja jemand inder Nähe - oder forscht selbst auch in Hoya? Viele Grüße von Irmi -- ********************************** http://irmiGS.bei.t-online.de/ ------------------------------------------------ http://haesloop-family.de/ **********************************
Date: 2001/08/13 11:09:01
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>
Georg Friederici schreef: > > ERICH FRIDERICI > http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/WEHRMACHT/HEER/General-Heer_E-H.html > > SUCHE Verbindung zu Nachkommen seiner Familie. > Sein Bruder Kurtgerhard Friderici (* 1908, X 1941) > hatte einen Sohn: > RONALD FRIDERICI (* um 1940) in Wuppertal ? > CD-Info 1999 Handy Nr. nicht mehr gültig ! > ___________________________________________ > Suche Adresse, Tel., Mail von RONALD FRIDERICI > ___________________________________________ > Georg Friederici _______________ www.friederici.de > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Hallo Georg, Kuck mal auf http://www.phonenumbers.net Ich habe gesehn das es in Amerika auch viele Frederici,s gibt. grüsse Betty KruLL
Date: 2001/08/13 14:35:58
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
Sophie, My Niehaus ancestors are also from Archduchy of Oldenburg. Your <Rieste> is likely<Bieste>, which is a village about two miles west of Neuenkirchen, Damme, in the southernmost part of Oldenburg. There was a <Lage Kloster> or Lage Cloister or Monastery, about two miles SW of Neuenkirchen. The monastery was begun in the 13th century by the Knights of St. John to care for indigents and the sick, and it was owned and run by the Benedictine Order as a monastery and school in the latter 18th into the19th century, and may still be, today. A considerable number of emigrants from southern Oldenburg came to Cincinnati, western Ohio and southern Indiana, and some to Illinois and St. Louis. Our hometown is Cincinnati. I can provide you with LDS (Mormon) tape numbers that you can arrange to rent from the nearest LDS Family History for the Neunkirchen Catholic Kirchenbucher (parish record books) These will provide, in original handwriting of the pastors, baptisms, marriages and deaths for the parishes there. Since you know the name and birth, death and approx. marriage dates of your husband's Gortemoller ancestors you may find more generations and names without much trouble. I suggest a you buy a soft bound Websters New World German Dictionary. With some patience you can translate many passages and words yourself. Also, the Catholic Church records were written at least partially in Latin, another solvable puzzle. The handwriting and old German script is another challenge, requiring patrince. Werner Honkomp in that region of Germany is much more expert than I. He will likely also respond with more helpful information for you. Regards, Bob Niehaus
Date: 2001/08/13 15:45:57
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>
Hello Bob and Sophie, While everything Bob said is true, I think that it is possible and even likely that your husband's ancestors came from Rieste. It is a small village in Hannover, right over the border from the Neuenkirchen that Bob mentioned. Also, the sacramental recrods for the people of Rieste are located at Kloster Lage, at least in the mid-1700's. Since your birth information contains a reference to both Rieste and Kloster Lage, I think Rieste is your likely location. I had some records researched for my Rieste ancestors by Falk Liebezeit (a professional researcher who is also a member of this list) a little over a month ago, and the records were held at Kloster Lage. Only a small amount of the town's vital records were filmed by the Mormans. From the dates (1808 - 1811 (i.e., Napoleon) and after 1854 to abt 1871), I believe the only records filmed were some type of civil records. The Diocese of Hannover did not let the Mormans film their records like the Diocese of Munster did. If your husband's ancestors had come from Bieste, Bob is correct that there records would be held in Neuenkirchen's churchbooks and they are available from the Mormans. I have seen the name Tangemann in the church records in Oldenburger Munsterland, but I can't remember which town for sure off the top of my head. I believe it was in Damme's churchbooks. I can check my copy of Pagenstert when I get home, or perhaps somebody else on the list has a copy handy and can look up what village the Tangemann farm was in. That would at least suggest a good place to start looking. I think that I have seen the Becker name in Neuenkirchen's churchbooks. Also, I'll mention a point you might already be aware of. Since the father's name was Gortemoller nee (i.e., born) Becker, the father changed his name to Gortemoller, probably when he took over the Gortemoller farm. This most commonly occured when a man married the daughter of a farm owner who had no sons and the farm was inherited by or through (I have never been completely clear on that point) the daughter/wife. I have also seen a name change once in the Munster Diocese (Hochstift) where a man purchased a farm. Hope this helps, Don Bob Niehaus wrote: <<My Niehaus ancestors are also from Archduchy of Oldenburg. Your <Rieste> is likely<Bieste>, which is a village about two miles west of Neuenkirchen, Damme, in the southernmost part of Oldenburg. There was a <Lage Kloster> or Lage Cloister or Monastery, about two miles SW of Neuenkirchen. The monastery was begun in the 13th century by the Knights of St. John to care for indigents and the sick, and it was owned and run by the Benedictine Order as a monastery and school in the latter 18th into the19th century, and may still be, today. A considerable number of emigrants from southern Oldenburg came to Cincinnati, western Ohio and southern Indiana, and some to Illinois and St. Louis. Our hometown is Cincinnati. I can provide you with LDS (Mormon) tape numbers that you can arrange to rent from the nearest LDS Family History for the Neunkirchen Catholic Kirchenbucher (parish record books) These will provide, in original handwriting of the pastors, baptisms, marriages and deaths for the parishes there. Since you know the name and birth, death and approx. marriage dates of your husband's Gortemoller ancestors you may find more generations and names without much trouble. I suggest a you buy a soft bound Websters New World German Dictionary. With some patience you can translate many passages and words yourself. Also, the Catholic Church records were written at least partially in Latin, another solvable puzzle. The handwriting and old German script is another challenge, requiring patrince. Werner Honkomp in that region of Germany is much more expert than I. He will likely also respond with more helpful information for you. Regards, Bob Niehaus>>
Date: 2001/08/13 17:48:15
From: Arthur Neubauer <Arthur.Neubauer(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Otto, entschuldige wenn ich mich hier einmische, aber diese GERTRUD WILLENBORG kann keine Vorfahrin von Dir sein, da sie im Alter von 3 Wochen gestorben ist. Ich zitiere aus: Alphabetisches Register Lohne 1683 bis 1811. Gertrud Willenborg * 18.10.1701 Lohne, + 1.11.1701 (3 Wochen) Lohne Eltern Henrich Willenborg oo 18.10.1700 Anna Catharina Calvelage Schreib mir mal mit wem Deine Gertrud verheiratet war, dann werde ich mal nachsehen ob ich da was rausfinden kann. Gruß Arthur Neubauer Freiburg Felschen schrieb: > Hallo Christian, > einige von deinen Namen habe ich auch, wenn ich sie teilweise auch > nicht in Verbindung mit Dinklage gebracht habe: > Schmedding aus Emsbüren > Willenborg aus Lohne(?) > Hnerich Willenborg, * ca. 1670 > Gertrud Willenborg, * 18.10.1701 > > Kannst du eine Verbindung sehen? > Otto > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/13 18:35:40
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Herr Bomas, die Daten habe ich aus PAGENSTERT, CLEMENS: Lohner Familien. Ein Beitrag zur Heimatkunde. Vechta 1927. Im Internet bei BLÖMER, B.: http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/, dann "Bücher", dann "Lohner Familien" Im Inhaltsverzeichnis habe ich Hempelmann, Nordlohne gefunden, weiter habe ich allerdings nicht geguckt. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Otto Felschen
Date: 2001/08/13 18:49:39
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Arthur, was ich über Gertrud Willenborg weiß, ist folgendes: Gertrud Willenborg [LAMMERS, S. 119] wurde am xx.10.1701 als Tochter von Henrich Willenborg und Anna Catharina Calvelage in Lohne geboren und am 18.10.1701 in Lohne getauft. Taufpaten waren Gertrudis Willenborg (eine Schwester ihres Vaters?), Joannes Calvelage (ein Bruder ihrer Mutter?) und Maria Arckstedde. Am 20.11.1725 heiratete sie im Alter von 24 Jahren in Oythe den Zeller Joan Hermann Lammers aus Oythe und zog zu ihm. Trauzeugen waren Henrich Lammers (wahrscheinlich der jüngere Bruder ihres Mannes, Joan Henrich) und Joan Henrich Meyer (ein Nachbar aus Oythe?). Sie hatten die Kinder Maria Gertrud (geb. 16.1.1727), Franz Anton (geb. 25.7.1728), Joan Henrich (geb. 19.11.1730) und Gerhard (get. 29.5.1735). Als Anerkennung des Gutsherrn ist die Tatsache anzusehen, daß dieser die Patenschaft über den ersten Jungen übernahm, der dann auch die Vornamen des Grafen - Franz Anton - erhielt. Sie starb am 5.10.1773 in Oythe-Telbrake im Alter von 72 Jahren. Hat die Familie vielleicht nach dem Tod der Tochter Gertrud noch eine weitere Tochter Gertrud gehabt? So einen Fall habe ich schon mehrere Male gefunden. Ich habe leider nicht das Lohner Register, sondern nur eine Geschichte der Familie Lammers von Hermann Lammers, der wiederum seine Informationen aus dem Kirchenbuch Lohne hat, das nach seinen Angaben ca. 1701 begonnen wurde. Ich würde mich freuen, wenn du mich mit weiteren und besseren Informationen versorgen könntest. Grüße aus Wadersloh, Münsterland Otto Felschen
Date: 2001/08/13 21:59:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
This is the wrong list for you. Kloster Lage and Rieste is located in Osnabrück county, you should go to Hannover-List. The name Gortemoller or all variation of this you can't find in Germany. But the German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de) shows in Rieste this address of a farmer: Tangemann-Stickfort, Aloys Bauer phone (05493) 241 Bieste 49597 Rieste There you can find also 3 Korte addresses. Werner > To the listers who may be able to help: > My husband's ancestors came from the Oldenburg area. His name was > Johann Heinrich Joseph Gortemoller, born 18 May 1800, Kloster Lage, > Rieste ?. Married Elizabeth Tangemann Korte Gortemoller and came to the > United States 1836-37. Cannot find the name of the village they lived > in or when exactly they did emigrate. Do know that Johann Heinrich's > father was Johann Bernard Joseph Gortemoller nee Becker born 1768 but > can go no furthur back than that time period. Can anyone help? I wish > I had studied German for longer than two years since after 50 years I > remember very little. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you > in advance. > Sophie Gottemoller > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/13 21:59:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Da die Kirchenbücher in Lohne erst um 1680 beginnen wird man kaum die Eltern ausfindig machen können. Die ältesten Einträge im Buch Lohner-Familien beziehen sich auf dem Zeller Hempelmann mit folgenden Einträgen: - 1545 Johann Hempelmann und Frau Tale. - 1565 Heinrich Hempelmann und Frau Kath. Im Lohner Kirchenbuchregister sind ältesten Einträge Für Elisabeth Hempelmann: * um 1631 , +31.07.1701 (70), vidua * um 1665 , +31.12.1711 (46), oo 16.11.1700 Herbert Punt * ?? oo 04.11.1697 in Twistringen Conrad Kort aus Twistringen * 21.06.1686 Eltern: Johann Hemplemann - Natalia Punt +03.03.1706 (19) Werner > Hallo Herr Felschen, > mich würde interessieren, welche Quellen Sie für Ihre Daten benutzt haben. > Ich habe eine Elisabeth Hempelman aus dem Kirchspiel Lohne in meiner > Ahnenliste. Ihr > berechnetes Geburtsjahr ist 1669. Habe ich eine Chance, die Eltern > ausfindig zu machen?
Date: 2001/08/14 01:05:08
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>
Dear Mr. Honkomp,
Thank you for your insight. Some folks have said that the name of Gortemoller is not correct in Germany. In this
country two branches of the family spell the name in two different ways. Goettemoeller and Gottemoller. We have a few
souls who spell it Gottemoeller. I will try to contact the person whose address you gave me, but the Tangemann line has
been rather well researched. That family lived in Neuenkirchen by Vorden from the 1600's and are so recorded in the church
records. It is the Becker-Gottemoller family that is the mystery. Elizabeth Tangemann went to Vorden to marry Mr. Korte,
was widowed and then married Johann Heinrich. I Have read through microfilms with the emigrants from OLdenburg but could
not find them. Now I know I may have been in the wrong area. Osnabruck is where I will look next. Thank you very much.
Do you have any suggestions for the surname Johann Heinrich may have had, if Gortemoller is not correct. Thank you
Sophie Gottemoller
Werner Honkomp wrote:
> This is the wrong list for you. Kloster Lage and Rieste is located in Osnabrück county, you should go to Hannover-List.
>
> The name Gortemoller or all variation of this you can't find in Germany.
> But the German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de) shows in Rieste this address of a farmer:
>
> Tangemann-Stickfort, Aloys Bauer phone (05493) 241
> Bieste
> 49597 Rieste
>
> There you can find also 3 Korte addresses.
>
> Werner
>
> > To the listers who may be able to help:
> > My husband's ancestors came from the Oldenburg area. His name was
> > Johann Heinrich Joseph Gortemoller, born 18 May 1800, Kloster Lage,
> > Rieste ?. Married Elizabeth Tangemann Korte Gortemoller and came to the
> > United States 1836-37. Cannot find the name of the village they lived
> > in or when exactly they did emigrate. Do know that Johann Heinrich's
> > father was Johann Bernard Joseph Gortemoller nee Becker born 1768 but
> > can go no furthur back than that time period. Can anyone help? I wish
> > I had studied German for longer than two years since after 50 years I
> > remember very little. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
> > in advance.
> > Sophie Gottemoller
>
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Date: 2001/08/14 01:32:16
From: FloraMarie <FloraMarie(a)aol.com>
I got mail last week in response to my request last year for information on my great grandfather. The 2 birth records that I received might possibly have been for his brothers. It looks to me like the places of residence shown are Coldewey and Popkenhose. I would appreciate it very much if anyone can tell me anything about these places. Thank you. Flora Strickhausen
Date: 2001/08/14 01:34:39
From: M Wethington <mwethington(a)home.com>
Hi Hermann Brütt, Do you have any idea for a location or date in the U.S. for your BRUETTS etc? If not, I found too many BRUETTS to count on the familyserch.org web site. Maybe one of them is yours. Also, use the cynidslist.com web site for many United States links and resources. Scroll down to United States section. There are thousands of links for U.S. information here. Much of it is free. Good luck, Marilyn Bruett43(a)aol.com wrote: Hello all of You, does somebody of our American friends have any dates or informations at the surnames BRUETT, BRUETTE, BRUITT, BRUTT, BRUTTE or any varies writing. Any help will be appreciated. Best regards Hermann Brütt from Germany! >
Date: 2001/08/14 05:18:53
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
Sophie, For research in Voerden kirchebbucher or stadt records you are just below Oldenburg and into Osnabrueck. Sadly, these records were not made available to LDS for photo-copying. I am currently having a professional genealogist research in Osnabrueck for my possible ancestor, from Vorden, who emigrated to Cincinnati. The Osnabrueck Catholic Diocesan Archives are available for personal research by appointment only, ten weeks or so in advance. Write to my personal email address if you care to follow through further. Bob, rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
Date: 2001/08/14 06:10:12
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>
Danke, die Hempelmann-Seite habe ich, aber leider sind da keine älteren genealogischen Zusammenhänge drauf. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Hubert Bomas http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Felschen > Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2001 18:35 > An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net > Betreff: Re: AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne > > > Hallo Herr Bomas, > die Daten habe ich aus PAGENSTERT, CLEMENS: Lohner Familien. Ein Beitrag zur > Heimatkunde. Vechta 1927. Im Internet bei BLÖMER, B.: > http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/, dann "Bücher", dann "Lohner Familien" > Im Inhaltsverzeichnis habe ich Hempelmann, Nordlohne gefunden, weiter habe ich > allerdings nicht geguckt. > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > Otto Felschen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2001/08/14 07:06:13
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>
Danke Werner, die Elisabeth Hempelmann und der Conrad Korte, das sind meine Ahnen. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Hubert Bomas http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Werner Honkomp > Gesendet: Montag, 13. August 2001 19:04 > An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net > Betreff: Re: AW: [OL]Namen in Lohne > > > Da die Kirchenbücher in Lohne erst um 1680 beginnen wird man kaum die Eltern > ausfindig machen können. > Die ältesten Einträge im Buch Lohner-Familien beziehen sich auf dem Zeller > Hempelmann mit folgenden Einträgen: > > - 1545 Johann Hempelmann und Frau Tale. > - 1565 Heinrich Hempelmann und Frau Kath. > > Im Lohner Kirchenbuchregister sind ältesten Einträge Für Elisabeth Hempelmann: > > * um 1631 , +31.07.1701 (70), vidua > * um 1665 , +31.12.1711 (46), oo 16.11.1700 Herbert Punt > * ?? oo 04.11.1697 in Twistringen Conrad Kort aus Twistringen > * 21.06.1686 Eltern: Johann Hemplemann - Natalia Punt +03.03.1706 (19) > > Werner > > > Hallo Herr Felschen, > > > mich würde interessieren, welche Quellen Sie für Ihre Daten benutzt haben. > > > Ich habe eine Elisabeth Hempelman aus dem Kirchspiel Lohne in meiner > > Ahnenliste. Ihr > > berechnetes Geburtsjahr ist 1669. Habe ich eine Chance, die Eltern > > ausfindig zu machen? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2001/08/14 13:17:16
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Coldewey and Popkenhoege are villages in the northwestern part of Oldenburg. They both are part of the parish of Strueckhausen. Gerold Diers
Date: 2001/08/14 13:52:15
From: Gerd Frerichs <gerd_frerichs(a)compuserve.com>
Coldewei is a place in the north of Wilhelmshaven near Fedderwarden, Gr. Popkenhausen is the name of few houses also in the north of Wilhelmshaven near Hooksiel. Gerd Frerichs FloraMarie(a)aol.com schrieb: > > I got mail last week in response to my request last year for information on > my great grandfather. The 2 birth records that I received might possibly > have been for his brothers. It looks to me like the places of residence > shown are Coldewey and Popkenhose. I would appreciate it very much if anyone > can tell me anything about these places. > Thank you. > Flora Strickhausen > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/14 17:41:34
From: FloraMarie <FloraMarie(a)aol.com>
Thanks very much to Gerold Diers and Gerd Frerichs for the information on the places I asked about. I had tried geo(a)genealogy.net at the time I received the letter and when not found there, I decided either the villages must be very small or I was not spelling them correctly. Flora
Date: 2001/08/14 18:52:54
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Hello Flora, we have two Coldewey villages, one is a part of the town Wilhelmshaven (port on the Northsea) and the other is a part of the Community Ovelgönne. Popkenhose should be Popkenhöge, this village is also a part of Ovelgönne on the borader to Coldewey. The next corner is Strückhauser-Altendorf, Strückhausermoor and Strückhauser-Kirchdorf, also parts of Ovelgönne today. I hope this help. Werner > I got mail last week in response to my request last year for information > on > my great grandfather. The 2 birth records that I received might possibly > have been for his brothers. It looks to me like the places of residence > shown are Coldewey and Popkenhose. I would appreciate it very much if > anyone > can tell me anything about these places. > Thank you. > Flora Strickhausen > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/14 20:09:46
From: Martin Hahn <kiki-andrea(a)ngi.de>
Hallo Liste, bzw hallo Leute !!!
Ich bin nun auch in Eurer Liste und möchte mich nun hier Vorstellen.
Mein Name ist Martin Hahn und ich komme aus Koblenz am Rhein. Zur Zeit lebe ich an der Mosel, forsche aber in Thüringen, wo meine Namensgebende Linie seit ca. 1600 herstammt. In SH bzw. in Oldenburg und Umgebung erst seit kurzem, da meine Mutter nun erst mit der Sprache rausgerückt hat, wo sie herkommt. Sie kam als uneheliches Kind zur Welt, was ihr einige Probleme bereitete. Aber ich konnte sie weichklopfen und habe nun sogar, hurra welche Freude, den seltenen Glückstreffer gelandet, den Namen ihres leiblichen Vaters herausbekommen.
Hier möchte ich im folgenden die Ahnen meiner Mutter auflisten in der Hoffnung, irgendjemandem von Euch fäält eine Übereinstimmung auf. Angefangen bei meiner Mutter Nr. 1 ; Ihr Vater Nr. 2 ; Ihre Mutter Nr. 3 etc.
a.. 1. Waltraud Voß *03.02.1937 in Oldenburg
b.. 2. Karl Pissarczyk (der leibliche Vater)
c.. 3. Wilma Marie Voß *27.01.1917 in Oldenburg
1. Ehe 1940 mit Hr Martens in Delmenhorst
2. Ehe 25.05.1946 mit Gustav Pekarsky in Oldenburg
d.. 6. Hermann Heinrich Voß *22.04.1889 in Oldenburg
Ehe 06.12.1919 in Oldenburg
+08.02.1959 in Oldenburg
e.. 7. Gesine Gerhardine Heinen-Hollerorth
f.. 12.August Friedrich Ludwig Hermann Voß
g.. 13. Henriette Hermine Ernestine Grave
h.. 14. Johann Gerhard Karl Heinen-Hollerorth
i.. 15. Maria Catherina Remmers
Wer kann mir Angaben zu diesen Linie machen? Wer kann mir sagen, i´n welchen Kirchenbüchern ich suchen muß? Die meisten kommen aus Oldenburg und sind katholisch. Ich kenne mich in Oldenburg leider überhaupt nicht aus und kenne somit auch keine einzige Kirche.
Da ich in 10 Tagen in den Urlaub an die Nordsee fahre, wäre es toll zu wissen, daß sich ein Abstecher in Sachen Familienforschung lohnen würde.
Ich verabschiede mich nun und hoffe auf zahlreiche Antworten mit dem Verweis auf meine Homepage, wo Ihr alle meine Ahnen nachschauen könnt. Zur Zeit leider noch ohne Funktion, aber ich arbeite daran und verspreche Euch, in 2-3 Tagen ist alles in Ordnung. www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen.de
Bis dann Kiki ( Martin Hahn )
Date: 2001/08/14 21:34:26
From: FloraMarie <FloraMarie(a)aol.com>
Hello Werner, I surely appreciate the information on Popkenhoge, but I cannot find it on my map I have now found Coldewey by Struckhausermoor on a copy map I made of the area in which I am most interested because of my great-grandfather that is an enlargement (about 1mm = 1km) from a detailed German map of the area showing 212 from Rodenkirchen to Elsfleth and is centered where 211 goes by the Struckhauser villages in Overgonne to near Oberhorne. The birth records I received were for Johann Hinrich born 18-10-1832 in Coldewey and Christian Gerhard born 5-11-1841 in Popkenhoje and I had wondered if the two villages were close to each other. Since my Johann Dietrich was born 23-8-1835, I think there is a chance that these might be his brothers or cousins. Although most US records of Johann D were Strickhausen, the only records I have seen in his own handwriting were on his will and a military record he signed J D Strückhausen. Thank you Flora
Date: 2001/08/14 22:23:17
From: JETDOC2 <JETDOC2(a)aol.com>
Hallo Listenteilnehmer, ich moechte mich auch kurz vorstellen. Mein Name ist Monika Ayers. Ich bin aus Bremen wohne aber in der Naehe von Pirmasens. Habe auch einige Vorfahren aus Damme, Lohne, Steinfeld und Holdorf. Vielleicht ist ja jemand dabei der die gleichen Name wie ich erforscht. Peppersack, Graever, Fraunsmann, von Handrup, Mesche, Macke, Brokamp, Loeffler, Sextro. 1. Johann Auf dem Mesche. 5 May 1732 Johann heiratet Maria Brokamp. Kinder: 2 i. Margaretha Angela ii. Catharina Elisabeth. geboren 20 Aug 1749. 2. Margaretha Angela Mescher. Am 8 Jan 1769 Margaretha Angela oo Peter Peppersack. Kind: 3 i. Joan Henrich (1776-1829) 3. Joan Henrich Peppersack. * Sep 1776 in Aus Burdieks Leibzucht zu Osterfeine. Joan Henrich + 29 Mar 1829, Beruf: Heuerleute. 18 Jan 1801 oo Maria Angela Wilke Macke, Tochter Henrich Wilken Macke & Catr. Angela Kl. Klönne. * 3 Aug 1775. Maria Angela + 18 Jul 1858, Kind: 4 i. Bernhard Heinrich (1808-1884) 4. Bernhard Heinrich Peppersack. * 1808 in Damme. Bernhard Heinrich + 29 Jul 1884, Beerdigt in St. Joseph Cemetary, Le Mars, Iowa. Beruf: Zimmermann. Bernhard Heinrich oo Catharina Maria Sextro Tochter von Bernd Sextro & Elisabeth von Handrup. * 2 Jan 1815. Catharina Maria + 18 May 1847 in Damme. Kinder: 5 i. Johann Bernhard (1835-) oo mit Elisabeth Fraunsmann 6 ii. Heinrich(Henry) (1855-1924) ausgewandert in die USA 1882. 6. Heinrich (Henry) Peppersack. * 14 Jun 1855 in Haverbeck, Kreis Damme. Heinrich (Henry) +Le Mars, Iowa 13 Dec 1924, Beerdigt 17 Dec 1924 in St. Joseph Cemetery, Le Mars, Iowa. Beruf: Farmer. 9 Jan 1883 oo Maria Elizabeth Grafer (Graever), Tochter von Anton Graever & Maria Charlotte Löffler, in Steinfeld, Kreis Damme, Germany. * 22 Jan 1858 in Lohne. Maria Elizabeth + Le Mars, Iowa 8 Sept 1928, Gruss Monika Ayers
Date: 2001/08/14 22:40:33
From: Ralph Somers <rsommers(a)cinci.rr.com>
Dinklage List? Where does one find the name list from Dinklage? I am researching my family names: Bockhorst, Grote, Konderding who were Catholics from the Oldenburg area. Appreciate any help. Helen Somers ----- Original Message ----- From: <Caeser1932(a)aol.com> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage > Jean > I noticed that you have the name Hinxlage on your Dinklage list. My ggm was > Elizabeth Hinxlage from Dinklage b. 1835. She immirated to Covington, Ky > circa 1850. Do you have any information on the Hinxlage family in Dinklage? > Jerry Twohig > caeser1932(a)aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2001/08/14 22:59:34
From: Darrell Schulte <dschulte(a)facstaff.wisc.edu>
At 4:33 PM -0400 8/14/01, Ralph Somers mused, then wrote:
Dinklage List? Where does one find the name list from Dinklage? I am researching my family names: Bockhorst, Grote, Konderding who were Catholics from the Oldenburg area.
Helen, the email below refers to a posting by (cousin) Jean with a listing of the surnames she is researching that have ties to Dinklage.
There is a nifty list, "A list of people who lived in Dinklage between 1826 and 1926 (not complete)" at http://www.datenautobahn.de/dinklage-hv/names.htm.
Your Bockhorst and Grote names are on this list. Best of luck.
----- Original Message ----- From: <Caeser1932(a)aol.com> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [OL]Familiennamen in DinklageJean I noticed that you have the name Hinxlage on your Dinklage list. My ggmwasElizabeth Hinxlage from Dinklage b. 1835. She immirated to Covington, Ky circa 1850. Do you have any information on the Hinxlage family inDinklage? > Jerry Twohig > caeser1932(a)aol.com
Darrell
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Date: 2001/08/15 00:22:07
From: Josiebanks <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>
Darrell,
I was unable to access the Dinklage list. I had family living there
from before 1790 to JAN. 1850, when some of them emigrated to St. Louis, MO.
KELLER, Franz Joseph, m. BERKMEYER, Maria Theresia
children: 1) Maria Theresa
m. LAMPING, Franz Heinrich
2) Bernard Franz Anton, b. 28 Nov 1804
m. 1835, VERBEEK, Elizabeth, b.1 May 1819
dau of VERBEEK , Jacob and TABELING, Margaretha
Bernardina
LAMPING, Franz Heinrich and KELLER, Maria Theresa m. abt. 1820
children: Wilhelm, b. circa 1824
5) Johan Theodore, b. 2-10-1831; d. 8-27-1831
7) Fredereka J., b. 2-20-1833
8) Therese Elizabeth, b. 4-29-1836; d. 10-11-1836
9) Clemens August, b. 6-20-1838
10) Anna Catherina, b. 2-22-1841
Franz and three of the children, Wilhelm, Fredereka, and Clemens
emigrated in Jan. 1850. I would like any further information on this family.
Who were children 1-4 and 6? What happened to Maria Theresa and the other
remaining children?
Are Church records for Dinklage available at LDS? I would be
grateful for any recommendations as to where to acquire more information.
Jo Westendorf Banks
Date: 2001/08/15 03:50:08
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>
Hi Bob,
My ancestors certainly placed themselves in areas where information is not
widely available. My Dad came from Bialystok, Poland where the Bishops did not
allow the LDS to microfilm either. Fortunately, the pastor at his parish is
cooperative- I will know shortly.
Any information you can give me about methods of research are greatly
appreciated. I would have to check with my husband about the cost of a
professional but it would be cheaper than a trip to Germany (which I would love
but....). Jack is having a "seeding" procedure for prostate cancer on Thursday
and so any long range plans are out. But please tell me how to go about
arranging for a professional, as well as costs involved. Thank you.
Sophie
Bob Niehaus wrote:
> Sophie,
>
> For research in Voerden kirchebbucher or stadt records you are just below
> Oldenburg and into Osnabrueck. Sadly, these records were not made available
> to LDS for photo-copying.
>
> I am currently having a professional genealogist research in Osnabrueck for
> my possible ancestor, from Vorden, who emigrated to Cincinnati.
>
> The Osnabrueck Catholic Diocesan Archives are available for personal
> research by appointment only, ten weeks or so in advance. Write to my
> personal email address if you care to follow through further.
>
> Bob, rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/15 05:01:01
From: Ralph Somers <rsommers(a)cinci.rr.com>
LDS Church film numbers of Catholic church records in Dinklage (AG.Vechta)
Oldenburg Germany
909917 Years 1668-1725
909918 Years 1726-1811 Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths
909918 years 1811-1835 Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths
Plus Baptisms 1832-1859
909920 yrs. 1835 - 1859 Marriages, Deaths, Baptisms 1860 - 1875
909921 Marriages, deaths 1860-1875
I have not yet viewed these films. I found this information online at
www.familysearch.org in the Family History Library Catalog section. The
records are of course in German or Latin.
There is also a section at the website for information on where to find your
nearest Family History Center where you can rent the films.
Hope this helps.
Helen Somers
----- Original Message -----
From: <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Familiennamen in Dinklage-LAMPING, KELLER, BERKMEYER
> Darrell,
> I was unable to access the Dinklage list. I had family living
there
> from before 1790 to JAN. 1850, when some of them emigrated to St. Louis,
MO.
>
> KELLER, Franz Joseph, m. BERKMEYER, Maria Theresia
> children: 1) Maria Theresa
> m. LAMPING, Franz Heinrich
>
> 2) Bernard Franz Anton, b. 28 Nov 1804
> m. 1835, VERBEEK, Elizabeth, b.1 May 1819
> dau of VERBEEK , Jacob and TABELING, Margaretha
> Bernardina
>
> LAMPING, Franz Heinrich and KELLER, Maria Theresa m. abt. 1820
> children: Wilhelm, b. circa 1824
> 5) Johan Theodore, b. 2-10-1831; d. 8-27-1831
> 7) Fredereka J., b. 2-20-1833
> 8) Therese Elizabeth, b. 4-29-1836; d. 10-11-1836
> 9) Clemens August, b. 6-20-1838
> 10) Anna Catherina, b. 2-22-1841
>
> Franz and three of the children, Wilhelm, Fredereka, and Clemens
> emigrated in Jan. 1850. I would like any further information on this
family.
> Who were children 1-4 and 6? What happened to Maria Theresa and the
other
> remaining children?
> Are Church records for Dinklage available at LDS? I would be
> grateful for any recommendations as to where to acquire more information.
> Jo Westendorf Banks
>
> _______________________________________________
> Oldenburg-L mailing list
> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
>
Date: 2001/08/15 11:11:32
From: Yair Malachi <malachiy(a)012.net.il>
Dear list, Thanks to the assistance of some members of this list, I was able to build my familytree and put it on the web. My german ancestors by the name of Lucke(ns) and Speckmann came from the Grossenkneten and Wardenburg area. For anyone interested in the data, here is the URL of the site: http://home.hccnet.nl/aad.moget/LuckensTree/surnames.htm This page is part of a site containing dutch ancestors as well, so I apologize for the mix of german/dutch/english text. I did not yet find a solution for this problem. (Maybe write it all in french?) Regards, Yair Malachi
Attachment:
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Date: 2001/08/15 16:06:46
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
Sophie, Please email me directly at: rniehau(a)mindspring.com. I will send info privately to you. Bob
Date: 2001/08/15 17:44:46
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Hello Flora, please write directly to Juergen Rode (j.rode(a)t-online.de). He is our expert for the parish of Strückhausen. Gerold
Date: 2001/08/15 21:13:23
From: Josiebanks <Josiebanks(a)aol.com>
Thank you, Helen
These numbers will be extremely helpful on my next trip to LDS. Jo
Date: 2001/08/15 22:00:20
From: Martin Hahn <kiki-andrea(a)ngi.de>
Hallo Leute !!! Ich wollte nur bescheid sagen, daß meine Homepage nun endlich funktioniert. Eine umfangreiche Ahnenforschungsseite ist auch enthalten. Viel Spass beim stöbern. MFG Martin Hahn ( Kiki )
Date: 2001/08/16 14:30:06
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Für die Suche nach Stadt-Oldenburger Vorfahren empfiehlt sich der Besuch des Staatsarchivs, Damm 43, in Oldenburg. Es ist werktäglich von 8 - 16 Uhr geöffnet. Dort sind die ev.-luth. Kirchenbücher der Stadt einschl. der Vororte einsehbar (Bestand 250). Bei katholischen Vorfahren fangen Sie am besten bei der St. Peter Gemeinde, Oldenburg, Georgstr. an - oder beim Archiv des Bischöflich - Münsterschen Offizialats in Vechta. Gerold Diers
Date: 2001/08/16 20:03:56
From: Lnnxs <Lnnxs(a)aol.com>
I have a relative who was Bernardina Ferneding from Ihorst. Married Bernhard Sieve in 1820 (also from Ihorst) at St. Victor's Church.
Date: 2001/08/16 21:22:17
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> Dinklage List? Where does one find the name list from Dinklage? I am > researching my family names: Bockhorst, Grote, Konderding who were > Catholics from the Oldenburg area. Hello Helen, the Lohne Church-Register show one Konerding record: Konerding Anna Margaretha, *09.Dec.1745 in Lohne, mother: Anna Margaretha Fortmann, not the father and nor Date of died or marriage. But this register shows about 30 Grote records. Some Grote records also in Steinfeld,Vechta and Konerding records in Vechta Werner
Date: 2001/08/17 00:04:22
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
Lnnxs, I have Ferneding ancestors from Holdorf, Damme, but not directly this family. I do have a GEDCOM for the family of Ferdinand (Hoeltermann) Ferneding and Maria Elisabeth Rohling of Ihorst, whose daughter Bernadina was born 3 July 1800. I do not have further information on Bernadina, except the names of 11 of her brothers and sisters, with more information on them and their parents. Do you want this info sent to you? I am interested in whatever Ferneding family info you have for this family in Oldenburg. Regards, Bob
Date: 2001/08/17 08:28:41
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>
TANGEMANN is an old farm in the church parish Goldenstedt (filmed by the Mormons) Greetings Falk Liebezeit Diepholz >>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 13.08.2001 15.45 Uhr >>> Hello Bob and Sophie, While everything Bob said is true, I think that it is possible and even likely that your husband's ancestors came from Rieste. It is a small village in Hannover, right over the border from the Neuenkirchen that Bob mentioned. Also, the sacramental recrods for the people of Rieste are located at Kloster Lage, at least in the mid-1700's. Since your birth information contains a reference to both Rieste and Kloster Lage, I think Rieste is your likely location. I had some records researched for my Rieste ancestors by Falk Liebezeit (a professional researcher who is also a member of this list) a little over a month ago, and the records were held at Kloster Lage. Only a small amount of the town's vital records were filmed by the Mormans. From the dates (1808 - 1811 (i.e., Napoleon) and after 1854 to abt 1871), I believe the only records filmed were some type of civil records. The Diocese of Hannover did not let the Mormans film their records like the Diocese of Munster did. If your husband's ancestors had come from Bieste, Bob is correct that there records would be held in Neuenkirchen's churchbooks and they are available from the Mormans. I have seen the name Tangemann in the church records in Oldenburger Munsterland, but I can't remember which town for sure off the top of my head. I believe it was in Damme's churchbooks. I can check my copy of Pagenstert when I get home, or perhaps somebody else on the list has a copy handy and can look up what village the Tangemann farm was in. That would at least suggest a good place to start looking. I think that I have seen the Becker name in Neuenkirchen's churchbooks. Also, I'll mention a point you might already be aware of. Since the father's name was Gortemoller nee (i.e., born) Becker, the father changed his name to Gortemoller, probably when he took over the Gortemoller farm. This most commonly occured when a man married the daughter of a farm owner who had no sons and the farm was inherited by or through (I have never been completely clear on that point) the daughter/wife. I have also seen a name change once in the Munster Diocese (Hochstift) where a man purchased a farm. Hope this helps, Don Bob Niehaus wrote: <<My Niehaus ancestors are also from Archduchy of Oldenburg. Your <Rieste> is likely<Bieste>, which is a village about two miles west of Neuenkirchen, Damme, in the southernmost part of Oldenburg. There was a <Lage Kloster> or Lage Cloister or Monastery, about two miles SW of Neuenkirchen. The monastery was begun in the 13th century by the Knights of St. John to care for indigents and the sick, and it was owned and run by the Benedictine Order as a monastery and school in the latter 18th into the19th century, and may still be, today. A considerable number of emigrants from southern Oldenburg came to Cincinnati, western Ohio and southern Indiana, and some to Illinois and St. Louis. Our hometown is Cincinnati. I can provide you with LDS (Mormon) tape numbers that you can arrange to rent from the nearest LDS Family History for the Neunkirchen Catholic Kirchenbucher (parish record books) These will provide, in original handwriting of the pastors, baptisms, marriages and deaths for the parishes there. Since you know the name and birth, death and approx. marriage dates of your husband's Gortemoller ancestors you may find more generations and names without much trouble. I suggest a you buy a soft bound Websters New World German Dictionary. With some patience you can translate many passages and words yourself. Also, the Catholic Church records were written at least partially in Latin, another solvable puzzle. The handwriting and old German script is another challenge, requiring patrince. Werner Honkomp in that region of Germany is much more expert than I. He will likely also respond with more helpful information for you. Regards, Bob Niehaus>> _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/17 09:03:36
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>
HEINEN-HOLLERORTH muesste in Varel zu finden sein:
im Niedersaechsischen Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg steht eine Verkartung der Kirchenbuecher Varel 1825 - 1874, die muesste erstmal weiterhelfen,
Herr Herrmann Oltmanns (Papenweg 5, 59494 Soest, Tel. 02921-71833) kann vielleicht auch Auskunft geben.
Gruss
Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz
>>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 14.08.2001 20.14 Uhr >>>
Hallo Liste, bzw hallo Leute !!!
Ich bin nun auch in Eurer Liste und möchte mich nun hier Vorstellen.
Mein Name ist Martin Hahn und ich komme aus Koblenz am Rhein. Zur Zeit lebe ich an der Mosel, forsche aber in Thüringen, wo meine Namensgebende Linie seit ca. 1600 herstammt. In SH bzw. in Oldenburg und Umgebung erst seit kurzem, da meine Mutter nun erst mit der Sprache rausgerückt hat, wo sie herkommt. Sie kam als uneheliches Kind zur Welt, was ihr einige Probleme bereitete. Aber ich konnte sie weichklopfen und habe nun sogar, hurra welche Freude, den seltenen Glückstreffer gelandet, den Namen ihres leiblichen Vaters herausbekommen.
Hier möchte ich im folgenden die Ahnen meiner Mutter auflisten in der Hoffnung, irgendjemandem von Euch fäält eine Übereinstimmung auf. Angefangen bei meiner Mutter Nr. 1 ; Ihr Vater Nr. 2 ; Ihre Mutter Nr. 3 etc.
a.. 1. Waltraud Voß *03.02.1937 in Oldenburg
b.. 2. Karl Pissarczyk (der leibliche Vater)
c.. 3. Wilma Marie Voß *27.01.1917 in Oldenburg
1. Ehe 1940 mit Hr Martens in Delmenhorst
2. Ehe 25.05.1946 mit Gustav Pekarsky in Oldenburg
d.. 6. Hermann Heinrich Voß *22.04.1889 in Oldenburg
Ehe 06.12.1919 in Oldenburg
+08.02.1959 in Oldenburg
e.. 7. Gesine Gerhardine Heinen-Hollerorth
f.. 12.August Friedrich Ludwig Hermann Voß
g.. 13. Henriette Hermine Ernestine Grave
h.. 14. Johann Gerhard Karl Heinen-Hollerorth
i.. 15. Maria Catherina Remmers
Wer kann mir Angaben zu diesen Linie machen? Wer kann mir sagen, i n welchen Kirchenbüchern ich suchen muß? Die meisten kommen aus Oldenburg und sind katholisch. Ich kenne mich in Oldenburg leider überhaupt nicht aus und kenne somit auch keine einzige Kirche.
Da ich in 10 Tagen in den Urlaub an die Nordsee fahre, wäre es toll zu wissen, daß sich ein Abstecher in Sachen Familienforschung lohnen würde.
Ich verabschiede mich nun und hoffe auf zahlreiche Antworten mit dem Verweis auf meine Homepage, wo Ihr alle meine Ahnen nachschauen könnt. Zur Zeit leider noch ohne Funktion, aber ich arbeite daran und verspreche Euch, in 2-3 Tagen ist alles in Ordnung. www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen.de
Bis dann Kiki ( Martin Hahn )
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Date: 2001/08/17 12:08:55
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>
God dag fru Fick, Det er ikke dansk jeg taler, men jeg laerte norsk hjemme: min mor er fra Oslo, hvor de jo snakker riksmaal som er jo bare litt nypusset dansk, men det hoeres anderledes. Hilsen Falk Liebezeit Diepholz >>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 10.08.2001 12.03 Uhr >>> Vielen Dank, Ich glaube auch das der Snssau, bei der stadt Oldenburg liegt. Auf eine alte Ausweis vom 1917 steht es S÷ssau, Holstein, Preussen, ich habe immer geglaubt es war Snssow in Mechlenburg-Strelitz oder Vorpommern,und dort war es auch verschiedene Fick.s aber ich vermisse die verbindenen link. Ich danke fnr die adresse - NB:Taler De dansk eller er det computeren der oversµtter? Gruss Ester Fick, Sonderborg.DK _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/17 14:28:14
From: f_liebezeit <f_liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>
Dear Mr. Parrott, This is the e-mail-address of the Oldenburg state archives. They should have some notes about wine trading and contacts to Bordeaux: poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-ol.niedersachsen.de Sincerely yours Falk Liebezeit Diepholz (a 65 kilometres des archives d Oldenbourg) >>> <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> 12.08.2001 10.04 Uhr >>> Dear List Since I constantly receive endless copies of messages about other genealogical inquiries, it seems odd to me that I have heard from no-one about these three names. I would be gratweful for any help, akso for any useful e mail addresses for central historical or genealogical archives in Oldenburg. I presume there must also be some documentation about prominent Oldenburgers active in the wine trade in the late 18th/early 20th centuries. Can anyone kindly give me a very brief summary of what the Grandduchy's status was during the Napoleonic wars ? I've read that there was a biref occupation but what happened later ? Regards Jasper PARROTT -----Original Message----- From: Jasper Parrott [mailto:jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk] <mailto:[mailto:jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk]> Sent: 30 July 2001 16:05 To: 'Oldenburg Genealogy' Cc: Jasper Parrott Subject: [OL]Inquiry regarding Oldenburg families Dear Subscribers I asm interested in researching the connection between three Oldenburg families of the 19th century who were active in the Bordeaux area. The names are: Henri (or Heinrich ) Damann Charles Louis Michaelsen Frederic Louis Kuehlmann Caroline Emilie Kuehlmann Frederic Louis Kuehlmann was Consul for Oldenburg in Bordeaux in 1855 M.J. Michaelsen was Consul for Oldenburg in Bordeaux in 1867 Any help much appreciated. 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Date: 2001/08/17 20:08:14
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> TANGEMANN is an old farm in the church parish Goldenstedt (filmed by the
> Mormons)
At the search for Thamann I have found following records in Neuenkirchen:
Bernardus Henrichs Corte, ex Vörden
married 5. Febr.1823 in Vörden to Anna Maria Elisabetha Tangemann, *25.Febr.1800
Parents: Joh. Bern. Tangemann and Cath. Maria Blommendahl
Anna Maria Elisabeth Tangemann have 8 siblings, one of the is:
Joannes Gerhardus Henricus Tangemann, *22.Jan.1799 in Neuenkirchen, Schmied (Blacksmith) in Neuenkirchen
married 14.Febr.1831 to Anna Maria Möller
this family emigrated 1834 to America with 2 children
Date: 2001/08/18 00:05:13
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>
Thank you very much. I will order that filmstrip when I find the correct number. If you find a marriage of Anna Maria Elizabeth Tangemann Korte and my Henry (think now, only Moller) please, please let me know. But I will order that microfilm I think that the folks in this family moved rather freely between Oldenburg and Osnabreuck. Thank you. Sophie Werner Honkomp wrote: > > TANGEMANN is an old farm in the church parish Goldenstedt (filmed by the > > Mormons) > > At the search for Thamann I have found following records in Neuenkirchen: > > Bernardus Henrichs Corte, ex Vörden > married 5. Febr.1823 in Vörden to Anna Maria Elisabetha Tangemann, *25.Febr.1800 > Parents: Joh. Bern. Tangemann and Cath. Maria Blommendahl > > Anna Maria Elisabeth Tangemann have 8 siblings, one of the is: > > Joannes Gerhardus Henricus Tangemann, *22.Jan.1799 in Neuenkirchen, Schmied (Blacksmith) in Neuenkirchen > married 14.Febr.1831 to Anna Maria Möller > this family emigrated 1834 to America with 2 children > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/18 17:45:40
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> Thank you very much. I will order that filmstrip when I find the correct > number. If you find a marriage of > Anna Maria Elizabeth Tangemann Korte and my Henry (think now, only Moller) > please, please let me know. But > I will order that microfilm I think that the folks in this family moved > rather freely between Oldenburg and > Osnabreuck. Thank you. > Sophie >> >> Bernardus Henrichs Corte, ex Vörden (Hannover) >> married 5. Febr.1823 in Vörden to Anna Maria Elisabetha Tangemann, >> *25.Febr.1800 >> Sophie, it is not clear for me, assume you, that has died of Bernardus Henrich Korte early and Anna Maria Tangemann has married again a Henry Möller after that? Werner
Date: 2001/08/18 19:00:30
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>
Hallo in die Runden, nachstehenden Text verschickte ich gerade an die Sachsen-mailingliste, und dann fiel mir ein, auch in weiteren mailinglisten die Mitglieder aus Berlin und drumrum anzusprechen. Diejenigen, die in sämtlichen dieser im Adreßfeld zu sehenden mailinglisten vertreten sind, bitte ich schon mal um Nachsicht, daß sie den Text nun mehrfach bekommen. > Was macht eigentlich der Stammtischtermin? Hoffentlich nicht im November, da (...) Hallo Susanne, da du den "Berliner Stammtisch" erwähnst und jemand aus der Sachsen-Liste aus dem Berliner Umland daran ebenfalls Interesse angemeldet hat, sollte ich das vielleicht kurz erklären: Seit ca. einem Jahr oder länger treffen sich so alle drei Monate die Berliner/Umland Mitglieder der AMF-mailingliste zu einem Stammtisch. Die wenigsten forschen in der gleichen Gegend. Anlaß für das erste Treffen war einfach das persönliche Kennenlernen, das gemütliche Beisammensein mit Gleichgesinnten. Aber auch Austausch über Quellenlagen in Berlin, ein Referent der ev. Kirche kam hinzu und berichtete über Verfilmungen der Berlin-Brandenburgischen Kirchenbücher u.a. In der AMF-Runde sind wir zur Zeit um die 15 bis 20 Personen, wobei natürlich nie alle kommen können, da anderweitige Verpflichtungen. Gäste sind jederzeit willkommen, und man muß das ja auch nicht auf die AMF beschränken. Ich weiß, daß in mehreren mailinglisten BerlinerInnen (und drumrum natürlich) vertreten sind. Wer hätte denn aus dieser mailingliste Interesse, daran teilzunehmen? Der nächste Termin steht noch nicht fest, ich vermute, es tendiert gegen Oktober, wenn die Urlaubszeit vorbei ist. Viele Grüße - Karin (Jacob) Karin Jacob - Skalitzer Str. 54b - 10997 Berlin - Tel/Fax: 030/6116373 karinjacob(a)snafu.de - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/9580
Date: 2001/08/19 00:45:07
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>
Dear Werner,
Sorry if I confused you. Anna Marie Elizabeth Tangemann married BernardusHeinrich Korte in 1923. They had two children, maybe
three (unsure of that). Korte died and then in 1828 she married Johann Heinrich Gortemoller. I added the Moller in my email note
to you, thinking maybe I have been looking for the wrong surname. As far as anyone knows, Johann Heinrich's name was always
Gortemoller in Germany, but you mentioned that there is no such name in all of Germany. So I don't know whether to search for
Johann Heinrich Gortemoller or Moller, but that is the same man. They had three children in Germany ?, Elizabeth, Gertrude and
Bernard. Came to the United States and three other children, Bernardine, Henry and Julia. I do not know what happened to the Korte
children. They could not have been very old when their Mother remarried and not even very old when she left Germany.
I apologize for the confusion . A.M.Elizabeth Tangemann Korte Gortemoller only married twice.
Thank you.
Sophie
Werner Honkomp wrote:
> > Thank you very much. I will order that filmstrip when I find the correct
> > number. If you find a marriage of
> > Anna Maria Elizabeth Tangemann Korte and my Henry (think now, only Moller)
> > please, please let me know. But
> > I will order that microfilm I think that the folks in this family moved
> > rather freely between Oldenburg and
> > Osnabreuck. Thank you.
> > Sophie
>
> >>
> >> Bernardus Henrichs Corte, ex Vörden (Hannover)
> >> married 5. Febr.1823 in Vörden to Anna Maria Elisabetha Tangemann,
> >> *25.Febr.1800
> >>
>
> Sophie, it is not clear for me,
> assume you, that has died of Bernardus Henrich Korte early and Anna Maria Tangemann has married again a Henry Möller after that?
>
> Werner
>
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Date: 2001/08/20 17:35:46
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>
I have a question that I would like to ask but am not sure if this list or the Oldenburg list is the correct one for the town of Bippen. My ancestors in various census records at different times would state they came from both areas. I suppose it depends on the time period?? The question I have is from 1839 to around 1845. Thank you for any help sending me in the right direction. Janet
Date: 2001/08/20 17:38:00
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>
Well, I meant Hannover. I just copied and pasted what I sent to the Hannover list...should have paid more attention. Sorry. Janet
Date: 2001/08/20 17:38:40
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Hello Mr. Parrott, there is a file Nr. 70-7056 in the Oldenburg State Archive, which contains information about Oldenburg Consuls in Bordeaux during the 19th century. According to that file there were the following persons: 1. 1814-1816 Christoph Bernhard Kuhlmann. He was born Nov. 27, 1765 or 1768 in Bardewisch, Oldenburg. He died Jan. 26, 1816 in Bordeaux. 2. 1816-1855 Justus Friedrich Focke. He was born in Magdeburg and he died in 1855. He had no family relation to Oldenburg. 3. 1855-1867 Ludwig (Louis) Kuhlmann. He was the brother of Carl Bernhard Kuhlmann, (at that time an 'Amtmann' of the Oldenburg Government in Eutin) and he was a nephew of Christoph Bernhard Kuhlmann (see no. 1). He was also the brother-in-law of J. Michaelsen. 4. 1867- J. Michaelsen, who already was Prussian Consul in Bordeaux, became Consul for Oldenburg as well (after the death of Ludwig Kuhlmann in 1867). There is no mention of the name 'Dammann'. All of the above were traders in Bordeaux. The file contains some letters, but no more personal data. Regards Gerold
Date: 2001/08/20 20:50:55
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>
Hallo liebe Forscherfreunde - hat vielleicht jemand Näheres zu folgender Familie ? Hanna Lisa Sillje, geb. am 5.10.1925 in Ganspe Die Eltern sind Johann Wilhelm Sillje und Alma Henriette Kruse Gruß von Irmi -- ********************************** http://irmiGS.bei.t-online.de/ ------------------------------------------------ http://haesloop-family.de/ **********************************
Date: 2001/08/20 20:51:12
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>
Das fand ich in einem alten Zeitungsartikel : Zum Familientag der Knübel am 29 Mai 1938 in Bremen (Zeitungsbericht vom 7.2.1938) "Neben den von Bardenfleth, die schon einige Jahre vor dem Kreuzkrieg nachzuweisen sind, stehen als uraltes osterstadisches Geschlecht die Knübel, die ein paar Jahrzehnte später urkundlich nachzuweisen sind. Bevor sie in Osterstade auftauchen, werden sie - ebenso wie die Bardenfleth - in Stedingen, am linken Weserufer, genannt. .........." Meine Knübel-Vorfahren stammen aus Hinnebeck (Kirchspiel Bruch) - ich würde gern jemanden finden, der auch Knübel-Ahnen hat. -- ********************************** http://irmiGS.bei.t-online.de/ ------------------------------------------------ http://haesloop-family.de/ **********************************
Date: 2001/08/21 14:53:44
From: Jasper Parrott <jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk>
Dear Herr Diers This is brilliant and thank you very much. I'll ponder this a little but I was obviously wrong in thinking that the Michaelsen family were also from Oldenburg. Regards Jasper Parrott -----Original Message----- From: GDiers9488(a)aol.com [mailto:GDiers9488(a)aol.com] Sent: 20 August 2001 16:39 To: Jasper.parrott(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk Cc: Oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [OL]Oldenburg Consuls in Bordeaux Hello Mr. Parrott, there is a file Nr. 70-7056 in the Oldenburg State Archive, which contains information about Oldenburg Consuls in Bordeaux during the 19th century. According to that file there were the following persons: 1. 1814-1816 Christoph Bernhard Kuhlmann. He was born Nov. 27, 1765 or 1768 in Bardewisch, Oldenburg. He died Jan. 26, 1816 in Bordeaux. 2. 1816-1855 Justus Friedrich Focke. He was born in Magdeburg and he died in 1855. He had no family relation to Oldenburg. 3. 1855-1867 Ludwig (Louis) Kuhlmann. He was the brother of Carl Bernhard Kuhlmann, (at that time an 'Amtmann' of the Oldenburg Government in Eutin) and he was a nephew of Christoph Bernhard Kuhlmann (see no. 1). He was also the brother-in-law of J. Michaelsen. 4. 1867- J. Michaelsen, who already was Prussian Consul in Bordeaux, became Consul for Oldenburg as well (after the death of Ludwig Kuhlmann in 1867). There is no mention of the name 'Dammann'. All of the above were traders in Bordeaux. The file contains some letters, but no more personal data. Regards Gerold _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l HARRISON/PARROTT LTD. Artist and Project Management 12 Penzance Place, London W11 4PA, U.K. Tel: +44 (0)20 7229 9166, Fax: +44 (0)20 7221 5042 website: http://www.harrisonparrott.com -------------------------------------------------- The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. If you experience any problems with opening and reading emails, and attachments from Harrison Parrott Ltd, or you are not the intended recipient, please contact the Systems Administrator on +44 (0)20 7313 3547 or email administrator(a)harrisonparrott.co.uk
Date: 2001/08/21 17:08:57
From: HSchoon <HSchoon(a)aol.com>
Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder, brauche dringend Daten!!!! Ohmstede Johann Hinrich, verh mit Anne geb. Baumann, Neustadt sonst ist nichts bekannt Sohn Gerhard Ohmstede geb. am 2.12.1822 in Neustadt, verh. mit Catharine Sophie Wettermann geb. am 28.8.1831 deren Sohn Friedrich Georg Ohmstede geb. am 18.10.1854 in Schmalenfleth und Ehefrau Johanna Maria Wilhelmina Schau geb. am 20.1.1852 in Schmalenfleth Vielen Dank!!
Date: 2001/08/21 17:30:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Bippen is located in Osnabrück county near Fürstenau and Ankum. Hannover ist the right list. Werner > I have a question that I would like to ask but am not sure if this list or > the Oldenburg list is the correct one for the town of Bippen. My > ancestors > in various census records at different times would state they came from > both > areas. I suppose it depends on the time period?? The question I have is > from 1839 to around 1845. > Thank you for any help sending me in the right direction. > Janet > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/22 05:15:56
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 8/21/01 8:31:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de writes: > Bippen is located in Osnabrück county near Fürstenau and Ankum. Hannover ist > the right list. > > Werner > > > THANK-YOU, Werner! Janet
Date: 2001/08/22 10:38:16
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Wohnplätze mit Namen Neustadt gibt es im Oldenburgischen in 1. Strückhausen 2. Neuenkirchen - Vechta 3. Hengsterholz, Kirchkimmen und Steinkimmen, alle in der Gemeinde Ganderkesee. Ohmstedes sind wohl eher in Strückhausen oder Ganderkesee zu suchen. Viel Glück Gerold Diers (OGF)
Date: 2001/08/22 10:51:51
From: HSchoon <HSchoon(a)aol.com>
Hallo Gerold, habe vergessen die Kirchengemeinde dazu zu schreiben. Neustadt in der Kirchengemeinde Strückhausen. Trotzdem danke. Kirsten
Date: 2001/08/22 16:16:24
From: Jos Onneweer <jos.onneweer(a)chello.nl>
Hallo Allen, Wir haben unsere Webseite ganz erneuert und auch in Deutsch übersetzt. Aus dem nächsten Gebieten kommen Vielen Namen und Daten: : · Noord-Holland (Westfriesland) en Oldenburg (D) > unter: Onneweer · Noord-Holland (Westfriesland) > unter: Smit · Zuid-Holland (Rijnland) > unter: van Noort · Utrecht (Amersfoort e.o.) > unter: Bauland · Zeeland (Walcheren) > unter: Jeronimus · Zeeland (Tholen) > unter: Ahnentafeln von Betsy · Overijssel/Friesland (Weststellingwerf) > unter: Jagtman · Nederlands Indië > unter: Bajetto und Osten · Papenburg (Dld.) > unter: Lange · West-Pruissen (heutigen Polen) > unter: kwartieren van Betsy · Mettingen (D.) > unter: Ahnentafeln von Betsy · Buer (D.) > unter: Bauland Die Adresse: http://members1.chello.nl/~jos.onneweer Mit freunlichen Grüßen, Jos und betsy
Date: 2001/08/22 20:52:19
From: GerryS3307 <GerryS3307(a)aol.com>
Would anyone have information in their family tree on Andreas Friedrich Holtermann (born l764)? He was my great great great grandfather. He was a pastor in Hanover, but had relatives in Oldenburg. Thank you for any information you may have to share with me. Carol
Date: 2001/08/23 16:35:24
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>
Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück: Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren der Oldenburg-L-Liste, ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger Münsterland: Gut Stedingsmühlen - Kirchspiel Molbergen Gut Huckelrieden - Kirchspiel Löningen Gut Duderstadt - Kirchspiel Löningen Gut Bomhof - Nähe Vechta Feste Lohburg - Kirchspiel Bakum Gut Ihorst - Gemeinde Holdorf Gut Füchtel - Vechta Gut Lage - Nähe Essen(Oldb) Gut Vehr - Nähe Quakenbrück(?) Gut Calhorn - Nähe Essen(Oldb) Gut Velthaus Gut Arkenstedt Gut Lethe - Halen/Baumweg Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek Gut Schwichteler - Kirchspiel Cappeln sowie weitere Adelsgüter, die mir z. Z. nicht bekannt sind. Ich würde mich freuen, die eine oder andere Anregung zu bekommen und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre Antworten/Anregungen Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück Haesli2(a)yahoo.com ===== I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden)
Date: 2001/08/23 17:41:29
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Lothar, > > ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und > Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger > Münsterland: > > Gut Stedingsmühlen - Kirchspiel Molbergen Bitte an Familie Edith und Willy Grundmann wenden - sie sind die Betreiber des Gutes Stedingsmühlen (Restaurant - übrigens hervorragend!!) Sie wohnen auch dort und wissen so einiges...:-) Adresse: Restaurant Gut Stedingsmühlen 49696 Molbergen Telephonnummer auf Anfrage Gruß Christian Delhey
Date: 2001/08/23 19:19:41
From: Carsten Witting <cwitting(a)01019freenet.de>
> Would anyone have information in their family tree on Andreas Friedrich > Holtermann (born l764)? Andreas Friedrich Holtermann, * 16.09.1764 was 1791-1830 a pastor in Öse (Bremen, Bremervörde). best regards Carsten Witting
Date: 2001/08/23 20:01:04
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>
Hallo Lothar, > Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück: > ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und > Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger > Münsterland: > Gut Lethe - Halen/Baumweg Im Buch: Das Kirchspiel Emstek, zwischen Hexenberg und Desum von Hugo Kemkes steht einiges zum Gut Lethe. Außdem kannst Du es bei der Familie Dorgeloh versuchen, siehe http://home.wtal.de/dorgerloh/index.html > Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek Gut Diekhaus ist auch in obigem Buch erwähnt. Ansonsten wende Dich einfach an den jetzigen Bewohner des Gutes Diekhaus: Otto Behrens, oder Wolfgang Behrens (Sohn von Otto) Am Wegholt 7 49685 Emstek Telefonnummer siehe http://www.telefonbuch.de/NSAPI/Anfrage Herzliche Grüße Jürgen -- -------------------=======######======------------------- Juergen Drees 38100 Braunschweig mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de Deutschland/Germany
Date: 2001/08/23 20:26:18
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>
Moin, ziemlich viele finden sich in dem Buch von Günter Müller, 293 Burgen und Schlösser im Raum Oldenburg-Ostfriesland, es gibt zusätzlich einen Ergänzungsband. Erschienen im Kayser-Vlg., Oldenburg. MfG Heiko Ahlers -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Dem13(a)aol.com <Dem13(a)aol.com> An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Datum: Donnerstag, 23. August 2001 16:36 Betreff: [OL]Literatur bzw. WebSites zu Adelsgütern im Oldenburger Münsterland Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück: Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren der Oldenburg-L-Liste, ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger Münsterland: Gut Stedingsmühlen - Kirchspiel Molbergen Gut Huckelrieden - Kirchspiel Löningen Gut Duderstadt - Kirchspiel Löningen Gut Bomhof - Nähe Vechta Feste Lohburg - Kirchspiel Bakum Gut Ihorst - Gemeinde Holdorf Gut Füchtel - Vechta Gut Lage - Nähe Essen(Oldb) Gut Vehr - Nähe Quakenbrück(?) Gut Calhorn - Nähe Essen(Oldb) Gut Velthaus Gut Arkenstedt Gut Lethe - Halen/Baumweg Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek Gut Schwichteler - Kirchspiel Cappeln sowie weitere Adelsgüter, die mir z. Z. nicht bekannt sind. Ich würde mich freuen, die eine oder andere Anregung zu bekommen und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre Antworten/Anregungen Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück Haesli2(a)yahoo.com ===== I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Fri eling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wüb belmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden) _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/23 20:42:26
From: fredrump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
On 23 Aug 2001, at 10:35, Dem13(a)aol.com wrote: > Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück: > ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und > Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger > Münsterland: > Gut Lage - Nähe Essen(Oldb) > Gut Vehr - Nähe Quakenbrück(?) > Gut Calhorn - Nähe Essen(Oldb) > Gut Velthaus > Gut Arkenstedt > Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek > Gut Schwichteler - Kirchspiel Cappeln > Ich würde mich freuen, die eine oder andere Anregung > zu bekommen und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre > Antworten/Anregungen Hmm, was sind Anregungen? Die Familie meiner Frau wohnt auf Gut Lage und Gut Vehr was immer Besuchsgebiet der Schulklassen. Diekhaus und Schwichteler waren schon lange keine Güter mehr. Das waren doch einfach vollberechtigte (Ganzerbe) Bauern. Das haus Arkenstedt sitzt doch heute in dem Museumsdorf oder nicht? Jedenfalls könnte ich allerhand über diese Stellen herauskramen aber das gibt es doch bestimmt alles schneller in Deutschland direkt, oder nicht? Zu Gut Lage kann ich kurz sagen das welche der Herren von Lutten (Besitzer vom 14. Jh bis 1704) in der Essener Kirche ihre Epigraphen im Kirchturm haben. Wahrscheinlich sind sie alle in Essen begraben gewesen. Jedenfalls gehörte das Gut ursprünglich zum Kloster Malgarten. Dieses verkaufte das Gut in 1352 an Hermann von Pennthe, dann hatten die v. Lutten den Besitz bis 1704. Ihnen folgten die Herren v. Rochow bis 1810 und dann kamen die v. Rössing Leute ins Spiel. Das Gut besass das 1/10 von Addrup. Gut Vehr war immer so wie ein Dornröschenschloss und war aber ziemlich am verfallen. Es get auf 1522 zurück wo es die v. Schmerten besassen, von 1540-1650 v. Grothaus, von 1650-1783 Kobrink, Schade und v. Freydag, von 1783-1876 v. Elmendorf, dann sv. Schorlemer bis ein Dr Welker das Gut bis in die Vorzeit besass. Diekhaus wurde schon in 1802 verstückt. Es gehörte im Anfang den Quakenbrücker Burgmännern v. Brave (1523-1660), bis 1767 v. Frese, bis 1802 v. Sonnenberg der es zerstücklete und verkaufte. Von einem Gut Schwichtler habe ich noch nie gehört. Es gibt natürlich die Bauerschaft in Cappeln aber dort waren dieVollerben an Gut Schwede und Gut Strohe lehnshaft. Es gibt viel mehr zu schreiben aber ich denke es würde sich lohnen eben mal in einer Bibliothek das Buch von Nieman (1873) "Geschichte der alten Grfschaft und des ehemaligen Münsterschen Amtes Kloppenburg" durchzusehen. Dort gibt es längere Artikel über die Geschichte der verschiedenen Burgen und Güter in der Gegend. Es gibt auch eine Nachdruck dieses Buches sollte das Originale nicht zu finden sein. ISBN 3-7963-0135-5 (1976) Pagenstert hat natürlich auch seine Bücher zur Verfügung. Dann kommen die verschiedenen Ortsgeschichten wo das selbe Material auch behandelt wird. Sollte etwas Bestimmtes gesucht werden bitte schreiben. Fred 26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010 509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Date: 2001/08/23 20:59:20
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Es gibt ein Buch mit dem Titel: "Burgen und Schlösser im Oldenburger Land" von Edgar F. Warnecke, Verlag Bültmann & Gerriets Oldenburg 1993 ISBN 3-920876-02-07 Ich weiß nicht ob es noch verfügbar ist. Werner > Message forwarded from Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück: > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren der Oldenburg-L-Liste, > ich interessiere mich u. a. für die Geschichte und > Eigentümer folgender Adelsgüter im Oldenburger > Münsterland: > Gut Stedingsmühlen - Kirchspiel Molbergen > Gut Huckelrieden - Kirchspiel Löningen > Gut Duderstadt - Kirchspiel Löningen > Gut Bomhof - Nähe Vechta > Feste Lohburg - Kirchspiel Bakum > Gut Ihorst - Gemeinde Holdorf > Gut Füchtel - Vechta > Gut Lage - Nähe Essen(Oldb) > Gut Vehr - Nähe Quakenbrück(?) > Gut Calhorn - Nähe Essen(Oldb) > Gut Velthaus > Gut Arkenstedt > Gut Lethe - Halen/Baumweg > Gut Diekhaus - Westeremstek > Gut Schwichteler - Kirchspiel Cappeln > sowie weitere Adelsgüter, die mir z. Z. nicht bekannt > sind. > Ich würde mich freuen, die eine oder andere Anregung > zu bekommen und bedanke mich im Voraus für Ihre > Antworten/Anregungen > Lothar Grafe aus Osnabrück > Haesli2(a)yahoo.com > ===== > I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wessel > mann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwe > rk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; > Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden) > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/23 21:00:17
From: fredrump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
On 23 Aug 2001, at 20:01, Juergen Drees wrote: > Gut Diekhaus ist auch in obigem Buch erwähnt. Ansonsten wende Dich > einfach an den jetzigen Bewohner des Gutes Diekhaus: Wie ich schon sagte gibt es dies Gut nicht mehr. Ich bin selber dort über die Felder gegangen um mir die alten Grundmauern zu suchen. Sogar die Hiesigen wissen nichts mehr davon. Die Vorfahren meiner Frau (Vogel) waren Heuerleute direkt neben Diekhaus was auch heute noch als Bauerschaft auf der Landkarte zu sehen ist. Die Vogels waren einige Generation auf der Grenze zwischen Cappeln und Krapendorf auf einem Hof im Dingel. Sie hatten immer nur einen Sohn der die Sache weiter machte bis sie in der Frühzeit auf Gut Lage und in anderen Berufen in Essen usw auftauchten. Es ist mir schon lange ein Rätsel auf welchem Hof auf'm Dingel sie ihr Land hatten aber die Seelenaufzeichnungen von Cappeln sind mir nicht leserlich und bis jetzt hat sich noch kein Expert an diese Dokumente gewagt um sie zu entziffern. In diesen Listen würde man erkennen können wo ein Heuermann auf Heuer war weil sie bei diesen Leuten aufgezählt waren. Aber leider. Fred 26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010 509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Date: 2001/08/23 22:33:15
From: fredrump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
On 23 Aug 2001, at 15:04, fredrump(a)earthlink.net wrote: > Hmm, was sind Anregungen? Die Familie meiner Frau wohnt auf > Gut Lage Upps, das sollte 'wohnte' heissen. Fred 26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010 509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Date: 2001/08/23 22:35:22
From: Frank Giere <frank.giere(a)web.de>
Das Buch scheint noch im Antiquariat verfügbar zu sein. vgl. http://www.buchweb.de/anti/ bzw. http://www.buchweb.de/anti/backlist/verlag.htm H. Th. Wenner · Antiquariat · Verlag Heger Straße 2 -3 D - 49074 Osnabrück, Deutschland Tel. +49 (0) 541 / 202 394 20 Fax. +49 (0) 541 / 202 394 29 Email: anti(a)buchweb.com Gruss Frank oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net schrieb am 23.08.01: > Es gibt ein Buch mit dem Titel: > "Burgen und Schlösser im Oldenburger Land" > von Edgar F. Warnecke, Verlag Bültmann & Gerriets Oldenburg 1993 > ISBN 3-920876-02-07 > > Ich weiß nicht ob es noch verfügbar ist. > > Werner > > _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 DM gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName(a)web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de
Date: 2001/08/23 23:57:14
From: fredrump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
On 24 Aug 2001, at 0:40, Frank Giere wrote: > Das Buch scheint noch im Antiquariat verfügbar zu sein. > vgl. http://www.buchweb.de/anti/ > bzw. http://www.buchweb.de/anti/backlist/verlag.htm > So etwas ist aber bestimmt nicht das richtige denn die meisten Güter waren eben nur grosse Bauernhöfe. Von Burgen und Schlösser kann man nicht viel im Niederstift finden. Jedenfalls nicht viel von den genannten Plätzen Fred 26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010 509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Date: 2001/08/24 16:50:05
From: Martin Hahn <kiki-andrea(a)ngi.de>
Hallo, liebe Listenteilnehmer !!! Ich möchte Euch hiermit nur mitteilen, dass ich ab Sonntag 26.08. - bis Sonnteg 10.09. in Urlaub fahre. Und zwar an die Nordsee in Verbindung mit einigen Besuchen in verschiedenen Archiven. Sollten innerhalb meiner Urlaubszeit Anfragen speziell an mich gestellt werden, bitte ich schon einmal im vorraus um Entschuldigung, wenn die Antwort etwas auf sich warten lässt. Euch wünsche ich in dieser Zeit viel Spass und noch mehr Erfolg. Im übrigen möchte ich auch hier auf meine Homepage verweisen www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen/ahnenforschung.htm Viele Grüsse Martin Hahn
Date: 2001/08/24 17:12:01
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
--- Begin Message ---Hallo Gerold, Wilst Du so lieb sein und diese bericht durchscikken nach Der OL-liste ich hab es sebenmal versucht aber bekomm es jedesmal zuruck. Betty Hallo Lothar, In Die Löninger Cronik band I von Alfred Benken seite 213-227 steht etwas über die Güter beschrieben. grüsse Betty
--- End Message ---
Date: 2001/08/24 17:25:18
From: Christian Delhey <Christian.Delhey(a)t-online.de>
Hallo, > Im übrigen möchte ich auch hier auf meine Homepage verweisen > www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen/ahnenforschung.htm besser wäre: www.tiefsitzenhochgreifen.de/ahnenforschung.htm :-) MfG Christian Delhey, Münster
Date: 2001/08/25 05:02:16
From: GerryS3307 <GerryS3307(a)aol.com>
Thank you very much, Carsten, for the information. Carol
Date: 2001/08/25 16:05:47
From: Juergen Rode <j.rode(a)t-online.de>
HSchoon(a)aol.com schrieb: > Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder, > brauche dringend Daten!!!! > Ohmstede Johann Hinrich, verh mit Anne geb. Baumann, Neustadt > sonst ist nichts bekannt > Sohn Gerhard Ohmstede geb. am 2.12.1822 in Neustadt, verh. mit > Catharine Sophie Wettermann geb. am 28.8.1831 > deren Sohn Friedrich Georg Ohmstede geb. am 18.10.1854 in Schmalenfleth > und Ehefrau Johanna Maria Wilhelmina Schau geb. am 20.1.1852 in Schmalenfleth > > Vielen Dank!! > Johann Hinrich Ohmstede des weiland Gerhard Ohmstede, gewesener Schulehrer auf Neustadt ältester ehelicher Sohn heiratet am 28.08.1817 in Strückhausen Anna Baumann des Gerd Baumann auf der Neustadt zweite eheliche Tochter. Gruß Jürgen Rode - Bonn Email: j.rode(a)t-online.de ### http://home.t-online.de/home/j.rode
Date: 2001/08/26 22:57:30
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Can anyone Sharon Dom help. I have not this book.
Werner
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Von: dhomsdairy(a)psbnewton.com (Andrew Dhom)
Datum: 26.08.2001, 15:29:56
Betreff: Schlarmann Genealogy
Werner
Thanks so much for the correction for Mary Bernadine Schlarmann. As you
can see from my genealogy tree for the Schlarmann line I haven't gotten
very far back. If you have information at your disposal that would be
easy to obtain, I would very much appreciate anything you could send.
In the books by Pagenstert, Kammergueter in den Amtern Cloppenburg und
Friesoythe I have no less than 8 lines which I would like very much to
have information about. How can I go about obtaining this information.
The names are as follows:
Albers from Molbergen, Deken from Garrel, Grothaus from Thuele, Korfhage
from Brokstreek, Krone from Ermke, Meyer from Garrel, Rickwarz from
Garrel, Tapken from Garrel.
Is it possible to buy a copy or a photocopy of this book? If it is
possible let me know the cost.
Sincerely,
Sharon Dhom
9773 N. 1600th Street
Newton, Ilinois 62448
USA
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Date: 2001/08/27 03:10:46
From: Lynngns <Lynngns(a)aol.com>
Are there other children of Hinrich Hibbeler b.Dec.6, 1821 Bockhorn and Anna (Hinrichs) Hibbeler b. Oct. 28, 1830 Zetel???? I know of these five born in Bockhorn but there may be others. Elise and Carl came to America. Does anyone know about the others and are there more???? Elise Hermine Hibbeler 11/3/1854 Anna Margarete Hibbeler b. 2/2/1857 Carl Friedrick Hibbeler 8/23/1857 or 1859 Marie Hermine Hibbeler 10/24/1862 Heinrich Gerhard Hibbeler 4/2/1867 Lynn (lynngns(a)aol.com)
Date: 2001/08/27 14:04:56
From: Doronic <Doronic(a)cs.com>
I am trying to trace the parents and origins of my grandfather, August Emil Karl Johannes ZANDER. According to his marriage certificate he was born in about 1870-1872, and was the son of Johann Christian ZANDER. Father and son were both glassblowers. August ZANDER (also known as Karl) married: 1) Franziska BURGER, who died in the German Hospital, London, U.K. in June 1914 2) Adele Marie HEDEMANN (my grandmother) August Zander came to the U.K. in about 1910. In 1916 he was interned as an enemy alien, and died in the German Hospital in London in 1919, leaving 3 small daughters. He was a Lutheran, and in the German Lutheran church records he is referred to as a glassblower, of Oldenburg. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you. Roz Norris
Date: 2001/08/27 17:33:48
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
On 26 Aug 2001, at 22:58, Werner Honkomp wrote: > Von: dhomsdairy(a)psbnewton.com (Andrew Dhom) > Datum: 26.08.2001, 15:29:56 > Betreff: Schlarmann Genealogy > > Werner > Thanks so much for the correction for Mary Bernadine Schlarmann. As > you can see from my genealogy tree for the Schlarmann line I haven't > gotten very far back. If you have information at your disposal that > would be easy to obtain, I would very much appreciate anything you > could send. > > In the books by Pagenstert, Kammergueter in den Amtern Cloppenburg > und Friesoythe I have no less than 8 lines which I would like very > much to have information about. How can I go about obtaining this > information. The names are as follows: Albers from Molbergen, Deken > from Garrel, Grothaus from Thuele, Korfhage from Brokstreek, Krone > from Ermke, Meyer from Garrel, Rickwarz from Garrel, Tapken from > Garrel. > > Is it possible to buy a copy or a photocopy of this book? If it is > possible let me know the cost. > > Sincerely, > Sharon Dhom > 9773 N. 1600th Street > Newton, Ilinois 62448 > USA Dear Sharon, I don't know where you received the above information without also being able to copy it. Pagenstert was reprinted in 1977 and I think another time later on. The trouble with these reprints is that they only do a hundred or so copies - enough they think for their members. I believe the Heimatverein Herrlichkeit Dinklage reprinted the book those two times. I was lucky enough to get one of their last copies. You should understand that Pagensterts 1912 work is not a genealogy book but rather a social history, if you may, of the inheritance conditions of the farms which were (I can't think of the proper word) beholden or in lean to the territorial landlord. By that I mean either the old Grafschaft Tecklenburg, the Fürstbistum Münster or the masters of Oldenburg. The point is to record the rents or lease payments as per their ancient contracts with their owners. A Kammergut is an estate held by the Kammer or financial chamber (treasury) of the territorial administration. So let us take Albers from Molbergen. We are talking about three Bauerschaften here: Ermke, Dwergte and Peheim on which lay 6 different ancient estates which are described in some detail. That is not to say that it is genealogical but rather a property description naming people who often simply took the name of the farm as they got there. The Albers mentioned here has to do with the Abeln Halberbe farm. (Halberbe=status of 1/2 inheritance quality) Not to go into the whole history but briefly: in 1665 the farm was verarmt or worthless without production. The place worked its way up but in 1743 it was still only worth 8 Thaler rental. This is when the old man was declared bancrupt and this value was assigned to his son in handing it over. But this son Gehard was fined 2 Thaler by the state because he married without permission of the Rentmeister. In 1764 the son of Gerhard was supposed to inherit the farm but he had been sickly for over eight years and the family tried to leave the place to the eldest daughter. This was denied. After the death of Gerhard in 1765 even the young son tried to move the farm over to his older sister, Anna Christina. Her husband was one Johann Dirk Albers. Still, the state did not give permission and decided to have the sickly son wait until he reaches maturity and at the same time the farm could be brought up to produce 10 Thalers. It does not say exactly what happened but in 1833 Heinrich Wilhelm Abeln wa still only paying 6 Thaler. It can be assumed that at this time the farm was freed of it's payment (Lien) obligation. In German: Die Stelle wurde durch das Staatsgrundgesetz vom gutsherrlichen Verbande befreit. Then we come to a section where the inheritance quality level is being discussed for the various other farms in each Kirchspiel. This is for 1700. Here have the Albers farm listed as being free and a Ganzerbe. This is about as high in the totem pole as you can get back then. These free farms had to pay anual duties to the court to the Amt Vechta and at inheritance 5 Hocken Roggengarbe had to be paid to the court in Cloppenburg. I presume that would have been five stands of rye ready for threshing. I will list the other annual payments the Albers farm was assessed in German (maybe we can figure out together what it meant): Amth. 1/3 Mairind, 8 Schill. Herbstsch., 4 Schill. Maisch., 1Thaler Dienstgeld, 6 Sch. Haf., Wagendienst mit 2 Pf. Every item seems to be associated with value, ie Schilling or Thaler and the presumption would be that this is the value of the natural product to be delivered. The Wagendienst was to furnish a wagon with two horses. I have no idea how often or when and to whom. Anyway such is the story of one Albers farm. There was another in Dwergte which was also a Ganzerbe (full inheritance status) but it was liend to Gut Altenoythe and later Gut Darrel. Here the payments when to the above estates (I'll try to not use abbreviations): 2 Malter Roggen (rye), 1 pig of at least 100 pounds, 53 1/2 Pounds of butter, 4 Thaler and 24 Groschen in liew of service money, 1 long and one short wagon, and to the Amt one wagon with 2 horses. The Abeln farm in Ermke was apparently the property discussed at the behginning of this lecture and had the status of a 1/2 inheritance. The other farms have similar descriptions and I would be happy to make copies if this is of genealogical value to you. Do you know the pages you want? I'm also curious if this book wasn't copied onto a CD as was discussed here some months ago. I've been out of circulation for quite a while (away from my books and resources) and don't know the exact status of everything. Besides I'm forgetting more and more these days. :-) Fred Best regards FredRump(a)earthlink.net 609-386-6846 26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010 509-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Date: 2001/08/28 01:48:08
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>
Jos de duitse website gaat nog niet helemaal goed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jos Onneweer" <jos.onneweer(a)chello.nl> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: woensdag 22 augustus 2001 16:13 Subject: [OL]Webseite ganz erneuert Hallo Allen, Wir haben unsere Webseite ganz erneuert und auch in Deutsch übersetzt. Aus dem nächsten Gebieten kommen Vielen Namen und Daten: : · Noord-Holland (Westfriesland) en Oldenburg (D) > unter: Onneweer · Noord-Holland (Westfriesland) > unter: Smit · Zuid-Holland (Rijnland) > unter: van Noort · Utrecht (Amersfoort e.o.) > unter: Bauland · Zeeland (Walcheren) > unter: Jeronimus · Zeeland (Tholen) > unter: Ahnentafeln von Betsy · Overijssel/Friesland (Weststellingwerf) > unter: Jagtman · Nederlands Indië > unter: Bajetto und Osten · Papenburg (Dld.) > unter: Lange · West-Pruissen (heutigen Polen) > unter: kwartieren van Betsy · Mettingen (D.) > unter: Ahnentafeln von Betsy · Buer (D.) > unter: Bauland Die Adresse: http://members1.chello.nl/~jos.onneweer Mit freunlichen Grüßen, Jos und betsy _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/28 21:02:36
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>
Liebe Freunde, lange habe ich nicht mehr in Sachen Ahnen geforscht - im Sommer gibt´s halt andere schöne Beschäftigungen. Aber so langsam muss ich wieder anfangen. Wer kann mir dabei helfen? Zwar habe ich von Theodor Heinrich Thöben [der durch Heirat an Hof und Namen Hollah kam] das Geburtsdatum (*24-7-1845 Resthausen) und somit auch die Namen der Eltern (Gerd Hinrich Thöben und Maria Hackmann). >>> Aber wann ist Gerd Hinrich Thöben geboren? >>> Und wer waren seine Eltern? Besten Gruß! Ansgar Hollah AHollah(a)AOL.com http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen
Date: 2001/08/28 22:04:50
From: Carsten Heuer <Ca.Heuer(a)gmx.de>
Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer, forscht vielleicht jemand im Kirchspiel Visbek? Es geht Margreta Elisabeth WINDELS. Sie heiratete am 12. Februar 1737 in Hasbergen Dirck RUNGE. Als Herkunftsort der Braut ist angegeben: "zur Döhlen im Kirchspiel Fißbeck". Ihr Vater war Michael WINDELS. Da Visbek katholisch, Hasbergen hingegen evangelisch-lutherisch war, muss also eine "Mischehe" vorliegen. Oder lebten im Kirchspiel auch Lutheraner? Gruss aus Bremen Carsten Heuer
Date: 2001/08/28 23:35:36
From: GvH42551 <GvH42551(a)aol.com>
Döhlen gehört m. E. zum Kirchspiel "Großenkneten". Zu der in Frage kommenden Zeit waren die meisten Leute dort evangelisch-lutherischer Konfession. Kann es da nicht sein, daß die Heirat im Kirchspiel Großenkneten stattfand und nicht in Visbeck (oder Fißbeck)? Mfg Gerhard C. von Husen
Date: 2001/08/29 02:00:42
From: Harv & Barb Cramer <hcramer(a)inebraska.com>
Date: 2001/08/29 02:03:28
From: Harv & Barb Cramer <hcramer(a)inebraska.com>
-----Original Message----- From: Carsten Witting <cwitting(a)01019freenet.de> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [OL]Andreas Holtermann >> Would anyone have information in their family tree on Andreas Friedrich >> Holtermann (born l764)? >Andreas Friedrich Holtermann, * 16.09.1764 was 1791-1830 a pastor in Öse >(Bremen, Bremervörde). > >best regards >Carsten Witting > >Thank you Carsten. Andreas daughter Fredericke Sophia married our grt. grtfather Frederich Christoph Büsing at Öse or Öese and we are trying to find history about him and his family. For months, we had been trying to find Fredericke Holter Mann. That was how it is on our grtgrdfather's marriage license. Small thing but did make a difference. Are there church records or books of Öse? Are they available to anyone? thank you for your help and information. Barbara Büsing Cramer hcramer(a)inebraska.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Oldenburg-L mailing list >Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2001/08/29 22:30:52
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>
Döhlen könnte Wüstendöllen oder Norddöllen sein. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Hubert Bomas http://www.bomas.de/hubert.htm -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Carsten Heuer Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. August 2001 22:03 An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Betreff: [OL]Windels in Visbek Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer, forscht vielleicht jemand im Kirchspiel Visbek? Es geht Margreta Elisabeth WINDELS. Sie heiratete am 12. Februar 1737 in Hasbergen Dirck RUNGE. Als Herkunftsort der Braut ist angegeben: "zur Döhlen im Kirchspiel Fißbeck". Ihr Vater war Michael WINDELS. Da Visbek katholisch, Hasbergen hingegen evangelisch-lutherisch war, muss also eine "Mischehe" vorliegen. Oder lebten im Kirchspiel auch Lutheraner? Gruss aus Bremen Carsten Heuer _______________________________________________ Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/30 03:28:29
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
Hi Did someone ask about Fresenborg/Fresenburg? It wasn't me. I only responded to something on the name. Fred ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:50:06 +0200 (MEST) From: Christian Friesenborg <christianfriesenborg(a)gmx.de> To: fredrump(a)earthlink.net Subject: Fresenburg Dear Fred! Gert Fresenburg forwarded your e-mail to me. So I will help you a little bit. Here is a address, where you can find the Fresenborgs in Essen/Oldenburg, Germany. Here it is: http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/EssenerB.html More later, Christian 26 Warren St., Beverly, NJ 08010 609-386-6846 FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Date: 2001/08/30 04:16:42
From: Roberta Hickman <mrshickman(a)prairieinet.net>
I am looking for descendants of Johan Heinrich Oltmanns and Anna Margaret Bentjen, both in the US and Germany. These are the parents of my maternal grandfather (also Johan Heinrich or John Henry, known to us as "Henry"), who was born in Edewecht in 1888. Johan died prior to 1899, and Anna married a man with the surname Tapken. They emigrated to the state of Nebraska in the US with several of Anna's children from her first marriage. Some of her older children remained in Germany, and at least one daughter who came to the US later returned to Germany. Thank you, Roberta Hickman
Date: 2001/08/30 11:13:47
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Hello Roberta, I suggest you contact Johann Lueschen (johann.lueschen(a)nwn.de). He is our expert for the parish of Edewecht. Regards Gerold Diers (OGF)
Date: 2001/08/30 17:42:53
From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de>
Hallo - hat vielleicht jemand zufällig einige Ergänzungen zu dieser Familie? JOHANN BRUNKHORST heiratet GESINE ALINE KREYE. Beruf: Landmann in Bürgerfelde Kinder von JOHANN BRUNKHORST und GESINE KREYE: i. JOHANN HEINRICH BERNHARD2 BRUNKHORST, b. 30 April 1875, Oldenburg. Taufe: 6 Juni 1875, Oldenburg Taufzeugen: Meta Brunkhorst, Borchers Krey 2. ii. AUGUST HINRICH BRUNKHORST, b. 20 April 1876, Oldenburg. Generation No. 2 2. AUGUST HINRICH2 BRUNKHORST (JOHANN1) wurde geboren am 20 April 1876 in Oldenburg. Er heiratete MARGARETHE FRANS. Sie wurde geboren am 15 März 1876 in Neustadt-Gödens. AUGUST HINRICH BRUNKHORST: Taufe: 4 Juni 1876, Oldenburg Taufzeugen: Heinrich Brunkhorst Das fand ich in den Adreßbüchern von Oldenburg : 1880 Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Mittelweg 30 Heinrich Brunkhorst, Hauswart, Ritterstr. 11 1895 Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Alexanderstr. 286 Heinrich Brunkhorst, wie 1880 1902 Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Lambertistr. 38 Heinrich Brunkhorst, Hausmann a.D. Haareneschstr. 36a Heinrich Brunkhorst, Bremser, Diedrichsweg 16 1913 Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Lambertistr. 70 Heinrich Brunkhorst, Schaffner, Alexanderstr. 108 Karl Brunkhorst, Buchdruckereiarb., Humboldstr. 2 Viele Grüße von Irmi -- ********************************** http://irmiGS.bei.t-online.de/ ------------------------------------------------ http://haesloop-family.de/ **********************************
Date: 2001/08/30 18:48:54
From: Thomas van Geuns <Thomas.van-Geuns(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Irmi, im Adressbuch v. Oldenburg 1928: Brunkhorst, K., Hefevertretg., Ziegelhofstraße 41 Gruß Thomas aus OL ----- Original Message ----- From: Irmi Gegner-Suenkler <irmiGS(a)t-online.de> To: <Thomas.van-Geuns(a)t-online.de> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: [OL]Brunkhorst in Oldenburg > Hallo - > > hat vielleicht jemand zufällig einige Ergänzungen zu dieser Familie? > > > JOHANN BRUNKHORST heiratet GESINE ALINE KREYE. > > Beruf: Landmann in Bürgerfelde > > Kinder von JOHANN BRUNKHORST und GESINE KREYE: > i. JOHANN HEINRICH BERNHARD2 BRUNKHORST, b. 30 April 1875, Oldenburg. > Taufe: 6 Juni 1875, Oldenburg > Taufzeugen: Meta Brunkhorst, Borchers Krey > > 2. ii. AUGUST HINRICH BRUNKHORST, b. 20 April 1876, Oldenburg. > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. AUGUST HINRICH2 BRUNKHORST (JOHANN1) wurde geboren am 20 April 1876 > in Oldenburg. Er heiratete MARGARETHE FRANS. Sie wurde geboren am 15 > März 1876 in Neustadt-Gödens. > > AUGUST HINRICH BRUNKHORST: > Taufe: 4 Juni 1876, Oldenburg > Taufzeugen: Heinrich Brunkhorst > > > Das fand ich in den Adreßbüchern von Oldenburg : > > 1880 > Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Mittelweg 30 > Heinrich Brunkhorst, Hauswart, Ritterstr. 11 > > 1895 > Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Alexanderstr. 286 > Heinrich Brunkhorst, wie 1880 > > 1902 > Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Lambertistr. 38 > Heinrich Brunkhorst, Hausmann a.D. Haareneschstr. 36a > Heinrich Brunkhorst, Bremser, Diedrichsweg 16 > > 1913 > Johann Brunkhorst, Landmann, Lambertistr. 70 > Heinrich Brunkhorst, Schaffner, Alexanderstr. 108 > Karl Brunkhorst, Buchdruckereiarb., Humboldstr. 2 > > > Viele Grüße von Irmi > > > -- > > ********************************** > http://irmiGS.bei.t-online.de/ > ------------------------------------------------ > http://haesloop-family.de/ > ********************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2001/08/31 22:29:23
From: Bianca Uffelmann <Bianca.Uffelmann(a)t-online.de>
Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer, endlich habe ich es geschafft ein Teil meiner Arbeit auf eine Homepage zu bannen. Seht es euch doch mal an. Ich habe eine ausführliche Liste aller Namen und Orte mit denen ich bisher zu tun hatte eingebunden. Außerdem biete ich anderen Forschern die Gelegenheit sich unter "andere Forscher" in eine Linkliste einzutragen um so noch mehr Gleichgesinnte zu erreichen. Wer noch Anregungen oder Lob oder Kritik über die Seite hat, würde mir eine Freude machen, wenn er entweder in mein Gästebuch schreibt, oder direkt an mich. Viele Grüße Bianca Uffelmann http://ahnenforschunginfriesland.de.vu