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[OL]Calveslage > VASKE

Date: 2001/01/01 00:33:21
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

Hello

Does anyone have access to the Calveslage records?
My ancestors, the VASKEs came from Calveslage. Info I have says the name goes back to 1460, but I have never independently verified that.

I have verified up to about 1700... and beyond that I usually just mention that there is this list of names and dates. I'm not even sure if they are birth or marriage dates....???

Josie (Vaske) Petermeier
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Re: [OL]Calveslage > VASKE

Date: 2001/01/01 12:47:15
From: Otto Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hi Josie,
I have a short genealogy of the Vaske family printed in the book "Karl Tabeling: 
1100 Jahre Calveslage":

Josie Petermeier schrieb:
>
> Hello
>
> Does anyone have access to the Calveslage records?
> My ancestors, the VASKEs came from Calveslage.  Info I have says the name 
> goes back to 1460, but I have never independently verified that.
>
> I have verified up to about 1700...  and beyond that I usually just mention 
> that there is this list of names and dates.  I'm not even sure if they are 
> birth or marriage dates....???
>
> Josie (Vaske) Petermeier
> jpete46(a)hotmail.com
>
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Re: [OL]Calveslage > VASKE

Date: 2001/01/01 13:24:21
From: Otto Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Sorry Josie,
I clicked the send-button by mistake.

I have a short genealogy of the Vaske family printed in the book "Karl Tabeling: 
1100 Jahre Calveslage":

I. Berndt Vasteke, c.. 1460 - c. 1540
II. Johann Vastike, c. 1500 - 1569
III. Berndt Vastike, 1538 - 1609
IV. Berndt Vastike, 1575 - ?
V. Johan Vastike, 1610 - 1682
VI. Henrich Vastike, 1637 - 1707, oo I. Margaretha ???, oo II. Phenenna ???
VII. Lucia Vasteke, oo 1697 Wübbelt Moormann called Vaske, Wübbelt Moormann oo 
Geseke Harting from Lutten
VIII. Anna Katharina Vaske, oo I. 1723 Adolf Thöle called Vaske, oo II. 1733 
Henrich Büssinck called Vaske
IX. Adolüph Vaske, oo 1751 Elisabeth Bulthoep from Calveslage
X. Joh. Henrich Vaske, oo 1770 Anna Maria Kessing-Menke
XI. Joh. Joseph Vaske, oo I. A. M. Elis. Stallmann from Spreda, oo II. A. M. 
Elis. Roenkohl from Holzhausen
XII. Joh. Joseph Vaske, oo Maria Gertrud Wente from Calveslage, children: 1838 
Joh. Joseph, 1840 Maria Elisabeth (oo 1861 Joh. Theodor Vössing from Bokern, oo 
1866 Friedrich Jos. Meyer from Nellinghof), 1843 Josephine (oo 1872 Joh. Heinr. 
Ruhe from Lüsche, Ruhe oo 1882 Elis. Wöste from Felsen)
etc.
In a book on Langförden I read about a man named Fastrad from Calveslage who 
lived around 870 (!) and is probably an ancestor of the Vaske family.
I hope it helps you further.
Otto



Re: [OL]BORCHERS, RICKERS/RICKERT

Date: 2001/01/01 16:27:45
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Sherri,
this I found:

* Borchers

Alte Familiennamen in Hogenbögen, Gem. Visbeck u. Lutten, in Zusammensetzungen Borcherskamp in Bahlen, Gem. Dinklage u. Borcherskamp in Halter, gem. Visbeck. Der Name ist abzuleiten von den Taufnamen Burghard, wovon auch der Name Busse kommt.

Says, a old farm name in Visbeck-Hogenbögen and Lutten (Vechta county, Oldenburg province)

Werner



> Happy New Year!  I am a new list member, so please forgive my ignorance on
> research methods in this part of Germany.  I have been
> primarily researching in Ostfriesland up to this point.

> Johann (John) Rickers b. 9 Dec 1808 in Dohlen married Anna Katherine
> Borchers b. 9 Nov 1815.  Their son, Johann Ludvig
> Rickers\Rickert, Sr., immigrated to the U.S. in 1867.

> First of all, I would like to know the ship and exact date Johann Rickert
> immigrated.  Family lore says he was ship wrecked on an
> island for 8-10 weeks.  The experience was so traumatic that he would not
> speak of it.  So far, the only possibility I've found is
> the Rhone, which was ship wrecked in Oct of 1867.

> Records from Baden, Germany Emigration Index 1866-1911:
> Name: Johann Georg Rickert
> Place of Origin: Obergimpern, Sinsheim, Baden
> Year Emigrated: 1867

> Any help on this would be appreciated.

> Also, I have no other information on Anna Katherine Borchers.  Anyone have
> her in your database??

> Sherri Brakenhoff - dabrake(a)megavision.com
> NEGenWeb, Platte Co Coordinator - http://www.rootsweb.com/~neplatte/
> NEGenWeb, Colfax Co Coordinator - http://www.rootsweb.com/~necolfax/
> Sherri's Family Findings -
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sherri/

> Researching from Germany: Becher, Brakenhoff, Buss, Engel, Franzen, Klug,
> Ubben, VanHuefeln
>>From Switzerland: Egger, Luchsinger, Muller/Mueller, Saegesser



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Re: [OL]Calveslage > VASKE

Date: 2001/01/01 16:27:46
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Josie,
a Happy New Year to all.

The curch books in our area started normaly about 1790, because that you can not trace more back via church books.
If he say the name go back to 1460, then is it a tax register which one lists the farms.

The (bishop) welcome tax register (Willkommschatzungsregister) at 1568 shows this:

-- Calveßlage
 Anne Vastike Wedwe(widow) XX schilling
 Berndt
 Johan filii
 Wobbeke filia

Werner

> Hello

> Does anyone have access to the Calveslage records?
> My ancestors, the VASKEs came from Calveslage.  Info I have says the name
> goes back to 1460, but I have never independently verified that.

> I have verified up to about 1700...  and beyond that I usually just
> mention
> that there is this list of names and dates.  I'm not even sure if they are
> birth or marriage dates....???

> Josie (Vaske) Petermeier
> jpete46(a)hotmail.com

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Re: [OL]Holthinrichs

Date: 2001/01/01 17:39:25
From: Sandy Shackelford <shacks(a)concentric.net>

Betty,
I am so excited.  It is so much more than what we have.  I am so grateful
for the time you took to get this information.  I can't wait to forward it
on to the cousin that is helping me.
Thanks again and if you find anything more please let me know.
Sandy Shackelford <><

Betty Krull wrote:

> Sandy,
>  Til nowe I did found  not much, this is what I have for the moment:
>
> Baptism 28 and born 27 -6-1838 and died 7-6-1840
> Henrich Gerard
> parents Johan Henrich Holthinrichs and Catharina Adelheid Lubbejans
> witnessAnna Margaretha Holthinrichs from Holthausen and Johann Henrich
> Kopmann
> from Benstrup.
>
> Baptism 23-7-1840 and born 23-7-1840 Gerard Heinrich
>  parents Johann Bernd Holthinrichs and Anna Margaretha Karrebroek.
>  witness Johan Gerd Holthinrichs from Holthausen and Anna maria
> Karrebroek from Angelbeck.
>
> Baptism 17 and born 17-7-1843 Anna Maria Elisabeth
> parents Johann Bernd Holthinrichs and Anna Margaretha Karrebroek.
> witness: Johan Henrich Rolfes from Winkum and Adelheid Holthinrichs.
>
> a wedding 21-4-1829 from Bernd Osing with Maria Elisabeth Holthinrichs
>  witnes:Wilke Bernd Holthinrichs and Maria Adelheid Thies.
>
>  No marriage  found from Johan Bernd Holthinrichs and Anna Margaretha
> Karrebroek,
> In the next time( I think after the hollydays) i wil look iff I can find
> the dead from thoos
>  two.
>  There are only a vieuw people with the name Holthinrichs in the books
> on that time.
> In older records , there where no Holthinrichs.
>  Its also posible that the parents from Gerard Heinrich, where alreddy
> married befor the came to Holthausen.
>
> Its no much what I have for you, but its a beginning.
>  Greetings Betty Krull
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[OL]Neues Mitglied

Date: 2001/01/01 18:13:23
From: Uwe Fangmann <uwe.fangmann(a)nwn.de>

Hallo, liebe Listenteilnehmer

mein Name ist Uwe Fangmann, ich bin 39 Jahre alt und lebe in Neuenburg.Ich
betreibe die Ahnenforschung seit cirka 5 Jahren. Hauptsächlich beschäftige
ich mich mit den Namen Fangmann und Säfken aus dem Gebiet der friesischen
Wehde.

Ich habe außerdem eine kleine Homepage, auf der die wichtigsten Daten zu
sehen sind.

Ich bin auch Listenteilnehmer der FamNord-Liste.

Ich freue mich auf eine fruchtbare Zusammenarbeit.

mit freundlichen Grüßen

Uwe Fangmann

Forschungsgebiet Friesische Wehde mit den Namen Fangmann und Säfken.
Homepage http://home.nordwest.net/fam.fangmann



[OL]Vechta

Date: 2001/01/01 18:14:13
From: Otto Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Werner,
du hast an Diane Shotton geschrieben, du hättest ein handgeschriebenes Buch über 
Vechtaer Familien. Sind die Familien nur aus Vechta oder auch aus den 
umliegenden Bauerschaften und Dörfern?
Mich interessieren aus dieser Gegend die Namen 
Ahlers im Esch, Aka, Arkenau, Arkenstede, Averbeck, Averdam, Backhus, 
Breugelmann, Brinkmann, Bruns, Buermann, Büssing, Busemeyer, Calvelage, 
Cloppenburg, Deberding, Dirsche, Figinck, Fortmann, Frye, Gabriel, Göttke, 
Happen, Henckinck, Hillekinck, Hölscher, Hölting, Jansen, Jaspers, Jedding, 
Lammers, Meerpohl, Meier/Meyer, Menking/Menke, Neelke, Ostmann, Penkhus, Peters, 
Pornhagen, Pundsack, Pundt, Rebbekinck, Reineke, Reiners, Schiplage, Schulte, 
Schütte, Sommer, Stallmann, Stegemann, Stüve, Tebbeke, Teemann, Tepinck/Tepen, 
Unkruth, Weddike/Wede, Wendt, Wempe, Westerkamp, Wichmann, Wilking, Willenborg
Zu den Familien habe ich teilweise auch schon recht viel Informationen und 
stelle dies natürlich auch gerne zur Verfügung.
Otto



[OL]Niehaus

Date: 2001/01/01 19:18:14
From: Michele Brofft <mamster(a)isoc.net>

Hello and Happy New Year!
I am looking for the parents and siblings of my gggrandmother,
Maria Elizabeth Niehaus
She was born Nov. 29, 1821 in Damme, Oldenburg.
Married Gerhard Laake on Nov. 26 1844 St Mary's Church, Cincinnati,
Ohio
Died April 23 1890 in Cincinnati.
Thank you,
Michele



Re: [OL]Niehaus

Date: 2001/01/01 19:57:35
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Michele,

I have family history info on my NIEHAUS clan, from Neuenkirchen, Amt Damme,
Oldenburg.  Neuenkirchen is a short distance east of Damme, which was the
administrative center of the area  or <Amt>.

My ggrandfather Heinrich N (1845-1895) emigrated form Neuenkirchen to
Cincinnati in 1865.   He married Elisabeth FERNEDING there at old St. Mary's
Church iin Nov. 1869.  My grandfather Joseph N was the oldest of their five
children

There were female relatives of Heinrich who are listed in the Stadt Archiv
of Neuenkirchen as emigrating to Amerika before Heinrich.  I have not found
a record of them iin Cincinnati yet.  I suspect we have common ancestors.  I
can send you more info on our NIEHAUS clan.  Do you have additional info on
your gggrandmother you could share?  We are Cinti. natives living in
Charlottesville, VA.

Regards,

Bob Niehaus



Re: [OL]Vechta

Date: 2001/01/01 20:00:14
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Otto,
es sind m.E. alle die Bauernschaften und Orte enthalten die damals zum Kirchspiel Vechta zugeordnet waren.
Die nachstehenden Namen alle aufzuführen wäre etwas viel auf einmal, bei "A" sind Ahlers und Averbeck enthalten.
 Das Buch ist auch im Offizialats-Archiv in Vechta einzusehen.

Werner

> Hallo Werner,
> du hast an Diane Shotton geschrieben, du hättest ein handgeschriebenes
> Buch über
> Vechtaer Familien. Sind die Familien nur aus Vechta oder auch aus den
> umliegenden Bauerschaften und Dörfern?
> Mich interessieren aus dieser Gegend die Namen
> Ahlers im Esch, Aka, Arkenau, Arkenstede, Averbeck, Averdam, Backhus,
> Breugelmann, Brinkmann, Bruns, Buermann, Büssing, Busemeyer, Calvelage,
> Cloppenburg, Deberding, Dirsche, Figinck, Fortmann, Frye, Gabriel, Göttke,
> Happen, Henckinck, Hillekinck, Hölscher, Hölting, Jansen, Jaspers,
> Jedding,
> Lammers, Meerpohl, Meier/Meyer, Menking/Menke, Neelke, Ostmann, Penkhus,
> Peters,
> Pornhagen, Pundsack, Pundt, Rebbekinck, Reineke, Reiners, Schiplage,
> Schulte,
> Schütte, Sommer, Stallmann, Stegemann, Stüve, Tebbeke, Teemann,
> Tepinck/Tepen,
> Unkruth, Weddike/Wede, Wendt, Wempe, Westerkamp, Wichmann, Wilking,
> Willenborg
> Zu den Familien habe ich teilweise auch schon recht viel Informationen und
> stelle dies natürlich auch gerne zur Verfügung.
> Otto


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Re: [OL]Niehaus

Date: 2001/01/01 20:31:50
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Hello Michelle,

Maria Elisabeth Niehues' parents were Abraham Niehues and Maria Catharina
Mäcke.  At the time of her birth, they lived on Hackmann's Leibzucht.  I
believe the Leibzucht was an extra, smaller house that at first was for the
parents to move into after giving the farm over to the inheriting son.  In
later years, I believe the house was often used for Heuerleute (essentially
tenant farms), so this family was almost certainly Heuerleute.  If I has
described this incorrectly, I would appreciate it if one of the Germans on
the list would correct me.

I don't have any other information on this family, but if you are in
Cincinnati, all of these church records are at the LDS Family history center
in Norwood.

Good luck.

Don Meyer




In a message dated 1/1/01 1:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, mamster(a)isoc.net
writes:


Hello and Happy New Year!
I am looking for the parents and siblings of my gggrandmother,
Maria Elizabeth Niehaus
She was born Nov. 29, 1821 in Damme, Oldenburg.
Married Gerhard Laake on Nov. 26 1844 St Mary's Church, Cincinnati,
Ohio
Died April 23 1890 in Cincinnati.
Thank you,
Michele




Re: [OL]Niehaus

Date: 2001/01/01 22:04:08
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Michele,
this emigration records you can find on my Website "Damme-Auswanderung".
Is she one of them?

Werner

> Hello and Happy New Year!
> I am looking for the parents and siblings of my gggrandmother,
> Maria Elizabeth Niehaus
> She was born Nov. 29, 1821 in Damme, Oldenburg.
> Married Gerhard Laake on Nov. 26 1844 St Mary's Church, Cincinnati,
> Ohio
> Died April 23 1890 in Cincinnati.
> Thank you,
> Michele


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[OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg

Date: 2001/01/02 04:11:11
From: Karen L. Wiesner <karenw(a)sonic.net>

I am seeking any information concerning a Joseph Karl Haskamp (b. Sept. 7,
1833 in Harverbeck, Oldenburg and his wife, Mariae (Maria) Bernadine
Wielenberg (b. July 10, 1838 in Damme, Oldenburg). They married and
relocated to Indiana, USA. 


[OL]Death information sources?

Date: 2001/01/02 05:23:41
From: Lex Johnson <l.johnson(a)cqu.edu.au>

I have recently learned that my great-great-grandmother died at Westdorf in
1908.  Can anyone tell me how to obtain the information that was recorded at
her death?  To whom should I write for a copy of her death certificate,
testament (will), probate and similar records?  I am hoping to learn more
about that part of the family.

Her name was Sieke (Sicka) JOHANNSEN (born KRUSE), born 1820 near Drelsdorf
(Schleswig-Holstein), died Westdorf 1 March 1908.

Thanks,
Lex.

Lex Johnson
Queensland, Australia
l.johnson(a)cqu.edu.au



Re: [OL]Niehaus in VEC / NEUHAUS in OL

Date: 2001/01/02 09:27:09
From: hhb <hhb(a)smtp.nwn.de>

Hello Bob Niehaus !

I am living nearby Oldenburg which is located 50 km more north to
Neuenkirchen . Here are some NEUHAUS families since the 17 th century and I
am searching for there original home.

One of the first entries I have is as follows ; "Berend Niehauß, aus dem
Kirchspiel Fischbeck stammend und zu Harbergen in Gardys Behausung wohnhaft,
(ist) begraben. Alter 95 Jahr." The source is dated 28.8.1719 and from the
'Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg".

NIEHAUS is written with the german ß (sz). HARBERGEN could be Harbern (the
later Oberlethe) nearby Wardenburg, Haarbergen (Hoya) or somewhere else.

Do you have a detailed family chronic with the origin of your NIEHAUS ? Are
there NIEHAUS or NEUHAUS from VISBEK in it ? Sometimes the name was changed
from NIEHAUS to NEUHAUS and vice versa.

Does somebody have more information about the NIEHAUS /NEUHAUS families of
that time ?

In that time there are also NEUHAUS nearby Syke / Diepholz (Hoya).


Thank you for your work in advance and a HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Yours sincerely

=======================================
             Hans-Hermann Büsselmann
=======================================
26 203 Wardenburg
Email: hhb(a)nwn.de

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Von: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Montag, 1. Januar 2001 19:57
Betreff: Re: [OL]Niehaus


>Michele,
>
>I have family history info on my NIEHAUS clan, from Neuenkirchen, Amt
Damme,
>Oldenburg.  Neuenkirchen is a short distance east of Damme, which was the
>administrative center of the area  or <Amt>.
>
>My ggrandfather Heinrich N (1845-1895) emigrated form Neuenkirchen to
>Cincinnati in 1865.   He married Elisabeth FERNEDING there at old St.
Mary's
>Church iin Nov. 1869.  My grandfather Joseph N was the oldest of their five
>children
>
>There were female relatives of Heinrich who are listed in the Stadt Archiv
>of Neuenkirchen as emigrating to Amerika before Heinrich.  I have not found
>a record of them iin Cincinnati yet.  I suspect we have common ancestors.
I
>can send you more info on our NIEHAUS clan.  Do you have additional info on
>your gggrandmother you could share?  We are Cinti. natives living in
>Charlottesville, VA.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bob Niehaus
>
>
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Re: [OL]Vechta

Date: 2001/01/02 10:19:17
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Otto Felschen schreef:
> 
> Hallo Werner,
> du hast an Diane Shotton geschrieben, du hättest ein handgeschriebenes Buch über
> Vechtaer Familien. Sind die Familien nur aus Vechta oder auch aus den
> umliegenden Bauerschaften und Dörfern?
> Mich interessieren aus dieser Gegend die Namen
> Ahlers im Esch, Aka, Arkenau, Arkenstede, Averbeck, Averdam, Backhus,
> Breugelmann, Brinkmann, Bruns, Buermann, Büssing, Busemeyer, Calvelage,
> Cloppenburg, Deberding, Dirsche, Figinck, Fortmann, Frye, Gabriel, Göttke,
> Happen, Henckinck, Hillekinck, Hölscher, Hölting, Jansen, Jaspers, Jedding,
> Lammers, Meerpohl, Meier/Meyer, Menking/Menke, Neelke, Ostmann, Penkhus, Peters,
> Pornhagen, Pundsack, Pundt, Rebbekinck, Reineke, Reiners, Schiplage, Schulte,
> Schütte, Sommer, Stallmann, Stegemann, Stüve, Tebbeke, Teemann, Tepinck/Tepen,
> Unkruth, Weddike/Wede, Wendt, Wempe, Westerkamp, Wichmann, Wilking, Willenborg
> Zu den Familien habe ich teilweise auch schon recht viel Informationen und
> stelle dies natürlich auch gerne zur Verfügung.
> Otto
> 
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Hallo Otto,

Arckenstede,Bruns,Cloppenburg und Wi(e)chman, stehen auch in Die
Löninger Kirchbüchern.
 Grüsse Betty Krull


Re: [OL]Vechta

Date: 2001/01/02 12:06:03
From: Otto Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Betty,
ik heb Arkenstede van ca. 1500 tot 1700. Zijn er in Löningen Arkenstede 
vroeger dan 1500?
Bruns van Oythe/Vechta heb ik van 1650 tot 1900. Ik denk dat de Löninger Bruns 
niet verwanten zijn van de Oyther Bruns.
Cloppenborg / Cloppenburg heb ik van 1670 tot 1750 in Oythe. Ik denk die 
stemmen uit Cloppenburg. Weet je meer daarvan?
Wichman (Ahlers im Esch) heb ik van 1600 tot 2000 in Oythe.

Groeten, Otto



Re: [OL]Vechta

Date: 2001/01/02 14:45:26
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Otto Felschen schreef:
> 
> Hallo Betty,
> ik heb Arkenstede van ca. 1500 tot 1700. Zijn er in Löningen Arkenstede
> vroeger dan 1500?
> Bruns van Oythe/Vechta heb ik van 1650 tot 1900. Ik denk dat de Löninger Bruns
> niet verwanten zijn van de Oyther Bruns.
> Cloppenborg / Cloppenburg heb ik van 1670 tot 1750 in Oythe. Ik denk die
> stemmen uit Cloppenburg. Weet je meer daarvan?
> Wichman (Ahlers im Esch) heb ik van 1600 tot 2000 in Oythe.
> 
> Groeten, Otto
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Hallo Otto,
De kerkboeken van Löningen beginnen pas dopen 1639, huwelijk en begraven
1644.
de naam Cloppenburg komt wel vanaf het begin voor.
Maar ik heb(nog) geen index dus zo kan ik niets nakijken.
 Maar als je dus een persoon "kwijt"bent en naam en plus minus de datum
weet, kan ik misschien iets voor je nazien.
 groetjes Betty


Re: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg

Date: 2001/01/02 16:48:51
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Karen,

Do you know if these folks were Catholic, Lutheran or Reformed?  The LDS
microfilms cover most if not all of Oldenburg kirchenbuchen (parish church
records of births/baptisms, marriages and deaths/funerals over the 17th
through the mid 19th centuries.  Do you know about renting these at the
nearest LDS Familly History Center?

If these folks were Catholic I have the tape reel numbers (not the tapes)
for Damme to use in ordering these for use from LDS.  There are also some
Stadt records in LDS tape archives, generally after mid 1800's.  Good luck.

Bob



Re: SCHWEER(S) [was: RE: [OL]Roefer, etc

Date: 2001/01/02 17:26:09
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Hank,
 I have three Gesche Margarete Schweer(s) but none from Hude. Perhaps
Hermann Oltmanns is able to help you. As I know there are no records from
Hude
Ingrid
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Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: SCHWEER(S) [was: RE: [OL]Roefer, etc


> My one and only SCHWEERS is Gesche Margrethe Schweers, born October 01,
> 1762 in Hude, Lintel. She married Johann Harm Haine of Lintel. Does
> anyone have infomation on this family or this village?
>
> Do records exists for Hude, Lintel before 1762?
>
> Hank
>
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Re: [OL]Niehaus

Date: 2001/01/02 18:05:21
From: Michele Brofft <mamster(a)isoc.net>

Dear Bob,
Thank you for your respond.   I know very little about my Elisabeth Niehaus
except what I wrote in my query.
Michele

Bob Niehaus wrote:

> Michele,
>
> I have family history info on my NIEHAUS clan, from Neuenkirchen, Amt Damme,
> Oldenburg.  Neuenkirchen is a short distance east of Damme, which was the
> administrative center of the area  or <Amt>.
>
> My ggrandfather Heinrich N (1845-1895) emigrated form Neuenkirchen to
> Cincinnati in 1865.   He married Elisabeth FERNEDING there at old St. Mary's
> Church iin Nov. 1869.  My grandfather Joseph N was the oldest of their five
> children
>
> There were female relatives of Heinrich who are listed in the Stadt Archiv
> of Neuenkirchen as emigrating to Amerika before Heinrich.  I have not found
> a record of them iin Cincinnati yet.  I suspect we have common ancestors.  I
> can send you more info on our NIEHAUS clan.  Do you have additional info on
> your gggrandmother you could share?  We are Cinti. natives living in
> Charlottesville, VA.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Niehaus
>
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Re: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg

Date: 2001/01/02 18:05:27
From: Karen L. Wiesner <karenw(a)sonic.net>

Thank you for your reply. I am aware of the LDS centers and intend to pursue
that route. The Haskamps were Catholic, so that should help to narrow the
search. I'll be in touch should I require any additional info. re: #s.
Thank You,
Karen L. Wiesner

> From: "Bob Niehaus" <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
> Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:47:03 -0500
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: Re: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg
> 
> Karen,
> 
> Do you know if these folks were Catholic, Lutheran or Reformed?  The LDS
> microfilms cover most if not all of Oldenburg kirchenbuchen (parish church
> records of births/baptisms, marriages and deaths/funerals over the 17th
> through the mid 19th centuries.  Do you know about renting these at the
> nearest LDS Familly History Center?
> 
> If these folks were Catholic I have the tape reel numbers (not the tapes)
> for Damme to use in ordering these for use from LDS.  There are also some
> Stadt records in LDS tape archives, generally after mid 1800's.  Good luck.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
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Re: SCHWEER(S) [was: RE: [OL]Roefer, Barkemeyer, Wachtendorf etc.]

Date: 2001/01/02 18:47:32
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
 to all of you who look for Schweer or Schweers.
The lot of work in the last weeks is the reason for the late answer to your
nice letters. Thanks for all.
 My Family is from the friesische Wehde. I have all of them till 1800,
nearly 300 Persons. There are several Gesche Margarethe an Anna Maria but
they all lived in the region arround Zetel- Bockhorn -Varel-Oldenburg. Befor
1800 they lived in Oldendorf in Osnabrück. I had no time yet to look for
these. All of them where lutherians. If there is anyone who needs
information, please contact me. This is unneccessary when your ancestors
came from the south region of Oldenburg.
I wish to all of you a happy and healthy New Year
Ingrid



[OL]Rothe Reihe

Date: 2001/01/02 19:35:17
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Gutes Neujahr,
 Ich bin auf der Suche nach Heft nr 6 aus der Rote Reihe
Personenschatzungsregister des Amtes Cloppenburg von 1473,von Piet Sive.
Beim Heimatbund ist dieses Heft leider nicht mehr vorhanden.
 Auch über ein Kopie würde ich mich sehr Freuen!

Kosten werden selbstverständlich ertstattet.

Freundlichen Grüsse Betty Krull


Re: [OL]Niehaus

Date: 2001/01/02 19:38:45
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> Hello Michelle,

> Maria Elisabeth Niehues' parents were Abraham Niehues and Maria Catharina
> Mäcke.  At the time of her birth, they lived on Hackmann's Leibzucht.  I
> believe the Leibzucht was an extra, smaller house that at first was for
> the
> parents to move into after giving the farm over to the inheriting son.  In
> later years, I believe the house was often used for Heuerleute
> (essentially
> tenant farms), so this family was almost certainly Heuerleute.  If I has
> described this incorrectly, I would appreciate it if one of the Germans on
> the list would correct me.
--->  this is correct, Mäcke must be Macke

Werner

> I don't have any other information on this family, but if you are in
> Cincinnati, all of these church records are at the LDS Family history
> center
> in Norwood.

> Good luck.

> Don Meyer




> In a message dated 1/1/01 1:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mamster(a)isoc.net
> writes:


>> Hello and Happy New Year!
>> I am looking for the parents and siblings of my gggrandmother,
>> Maria Elizabeth Niehaus
>> She was born Nov. 29, 1821 in Damme, Oldenburg.
>> Married Gerhard Laake on Nov. 26 1844 St Mary's Church, Cincinnati,
>> Ohio
>> Died April 23 1890 in Cincinnati.
>> Thank you,
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>






[OL]Helpful hints - what's yours?

Date: 2001/01/02 20:17:05
From: Judy G. Martin <martin(a)warwick.net>

Another list to which I belong suggested we send our helpful hints for
research. Here's mine:


Happy New Year Listmembers:

I have been online since June 1996 and doing genealogy research via the
internet since August 1998.  I've learned so much about everything it
hardly seems that my brain can hold it all.

From the beginning I have saved a lot of e-mails and they have been
properly filed in their own little file folders.

Going back and reading those e-mails often give different meaning in
view of the knowledge I've acquired.  Historical items make more sense
now.  Names that didn't mean anything at the time now sometimes fit into
my own ancestry. Suggestions from other listmembers can be applied to my
search. My file folders are a veritable treasure trove.

So, my favorite hint is to reread your file folders once in a while. You
may be surprised by what you find.

Judy Martin
Wurtsboro, NY






AW: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg

Date: 2001/01/02 22:35:54
From: Martin Glandorf <martin.glandorf(a)ewetel.net>

Dear Karen,
I am born 1958 in Damme and I lived in the direct neighbourhood of
Haverbeck.
I know all people who lived there. In 1998 Anna Deters and Reinhold Ihorst
wrote a book named "700 years Haverbeck". There are all families with there
ancestors listed. (Perhaps you know that book).
I looked in this book because I coouldn´t remember that there ever lived a
Haskamp in Haverbeck. I only found this: In 1833 Johann Heinrich Haskamp mit
Frau und einem 1 Kinde bei Kötter Haskamp. - (emigrated to America). May be
Josef Karl was the child. They got it from the book "J. Ostendorf". The
translation you can find at W. Honkomps Homepage. I also looked for Maria
Bernhardina Wielenberg, I think that
all Wielenbergs came from Haverbeck. I only found one born in 1848.
Sincerely
Martin Glandorf

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Karen L. Wiesner
Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Januar 2001 17:51
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg


Thank you for your reply. I am aware of the LDS centers and intend to pursue
that route. The Haskamps were Catholic, so that should help to narrow the
search. I'll be in touch should I require any additional info. re: #s.
Thank You,
Karen L. Wiesner

> From: "Bob Niehaus" <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
> Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:47:03 -0500
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: Re: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg
>
> Karen,
>
> Do you know if these folks were Catholic, Lutheran or Reformed?  The LDS
> microfilms cover most if not all of Oldenburg kirchenbuchen (parish church
> records of births/baptisms, marriages and deaths/funerals over the 17th
> through the mid 19th centuries.  Do you know about renting these at the
> nearest LDS Familly History Center?
>
> If these folks were Catholic I have the tape reel numbers (not the tapes)
> for Damme to use in ordering these for use from LDS.  There are also some
> Stadt records in LDS tape archives, generally after mid 1800's.  Good
luck.
>
> Bob
>
>
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[OL]Re:Leibzucht

Date: 2001/01/02 23:02:43
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 1/2/01 6:08:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:


they lived on Hackmann's Leibzucht.  I=20
believe the Leibzucht was an extra, smaller house that at first was for
the=20
parents to move into after giving the farm over to the inheriting son.  
In=20
later years, I believe the house was often used for Heuerleute
(essentially=20
tenant farms), so this family was almost certainly Heuerleute.  If I has=20
described this incorrectly, I would appreciate it if one of the Germans
on=20
the list would correct me.


I am not a native German, but I have been researching in German church
records. My German genealogical dictionary (Thode) defines Leibzucht as:
"life annuity, pension, life estate." Since record after record refers to
people living on someone's Leibzucht, I took it to mean that they lived on
the estate or farm of some particular person who inherited the right to
manage it. I doubt that the term refers to a particular house or building.
Any more explanation would be appreciated.
Nancy Pundsack

Re: [OL]Re: SCHWEER Family

Date: 2001/01/02 23:05:00
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Bob,
thank you for the nice letter. I know the names of some of them but not of
all. The problem is, that there are too many Schweers. This is in North
Germany a Name like Miller or John. All my relatives came from NORTH of
Oldenburg and all were lutherian. They were born in Bockhorn, Grabstede,
Zetel, Grabstederfeld, Neuenburg, Varel, Driefel and so on in that region.
The only both I realy know were married to Roßkamp and to Janssen. These
were two sisters of my Grandmother. The Roßkamp husband was Wilhelm Georg
Schweers. He was born in 2.März 1880 in Neuenburg. They had a lot of
Children but not all of them went to America. The Children were born between
1905 and 1924 and their names were Adolph Wilhelm, Therese Auguste, Anna
Marie, Hilda Katharina, Magda Anna and Emil Reinhard. The other Family is
Anna Wilhelmine Schweers who married Friedrich Gerhard Janssen and emigrated
in the 20th too. There I do not know anything about the Children except that
there were some. My Grandmother also told me that several siblinngs of her
father went to America but I do not know the names. They all lives in
Illinois as I know. That´s all.
Thank you for all.
I wish you a happy and healthy New Year.
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Niehaus" <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:10 PM
Subject: [OL]Re: SCHWEER Family


> Ingrid,
>
> We are natives of Cincinnati, who live in Charlottesville, Virginia, about
> 800KM to the southeast.  My wife and I knew SCHWEER familiies in
Cincinnati.
>
> The Cincinnati Telephone directory lists 21 SCHWEER names and one
SCHWEERS.
>
> When we visit there in spring 2001 I will check City Directories and
> U.S.Census records for you, if you get no help before then.  Do you have
any
> specific names and birth dates of emigrants who went ot Cinti.?  Our
> ancestors arte all German, with my Niehaus family from Neuenkirchen,
Damme,
> Oldenburg.  There were many Oldenburgers who emigrated to Ohio and
Indiana,
> nearby.
>
> Happy and Blessed Christmas!
>
> Our families:  NIEHAUS, FERNEDING, BRINKER (Osnabrueck), VONDERHEIDE,
> MENKHAUS, FATH (Rhinepfalz), SCHRAGGE and ALBERS (Lingen), MEHLE
(Stutgart)
>
> Bob Niehaus
> rniehaus(a)mindspring.com
>
>
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Re: AW: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg

Date: 2001/01/02 23:05:46
From: Karen L. Wiesner <karenw(a)sonic.net>

Thank you so very much for your reply, it is greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Karen L. Wiesner

> From: "Martin Glandorf" <martin.glandorf(a)ewetel.net>
> Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:35:26 +0100
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: AW: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg
> 
> Dear Karen,
> I am born 1958 in Damme and I lived in the direct neighbourhood of
> Haverbeck.
> I know all people who lived there. In 1998 Anna Deters and Reinhold Ihorst
> wrote a book named "700 years Haverbeck". There are all families with there
> ancestors listed. (Perhaps you know that book).
> I looked in this book because I coouldn´t remember that there ever lived a
> Haskamp in Haverbeck. I only found this: In 1833 Johann Heinrich Haskamp mit
> Frau und einem 1 Kinde bei Kötter Haskamp. - (emigrated to America). May be
> Josef Karl was the child. They got it from the book "J. Ostendorf". The
> translation you can find at W. Honkomps Homepage. I also looked for Maria
> Bernhardina Wielenberg, I think that
> all Wielenbergs came from Haverbeck. I only found one born in 1848.
> Sincerely
> Martin Glandorf
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Karen L. Wiesner
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Januar 2001 17:51
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: Re: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg
> 
> 
> Thank you for your reply. I am aware of the LDS centers and intend to pursue
> that route. The Haskamps were Catholic, so that should help to narrow the
> search. I'll be in touch should I require any additional info. re: #s.
> Thank You,
> Karen L. Wiesner
> 
>> From: "Bob Niehaus" <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
>> Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:47:03 -0500
>> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
>> Subject: Re: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg
>> 
>> Karen,
>> 
>> Do you know if these folks were Catholic, Lutheran or Reformed?  The LDS
>> microfilms cover most if not all of Oldenburg kirchenbuchen (parish church
>> records of births/baptisms, marriages and deaths/funerals over the 17th
>> through the mid 19th centuries.  Do you know about renting these at the
>> nearest LDS Familly History Center?
>> 
>> If these folks were Catholic I have the tape reel numbers (not the tapes)
>> for Damme to use in ordering these for use from LDS.  There are also some
>> Stadt records in LDS tape archives, generally after mid 1800's.  Good
> luck.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
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> 
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Re: AW: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg

Date: 2001/01/02 23:30:15
From: Gwk202 <Gwk202(a)aol.com>

Hi:   My name is Gene Koetter and I LIve In Cincinnati, Ohio. I am 
researching the name Koetter ( Kotter) My Great grand father was born in 
Germany and i am Looking where he came from. His name was Joseph Henry 
Koetter (Kotter) , any help would be appreciated.  Gene Koetter    e-mai   
GWK202(a)aol.com.


Re: AW: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg

Date: 2001/01/03 01:49:59
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Gene,
 it is impossible to find out the right one without more Information. There
are more than 500 Kotter and more Kötter today in Germany.
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
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To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: AW: [OL]Haskamp/Wielenberg


> Hi:   My name is Gene Koetter and I LIve In Cincinnati, Ohio. I am
> researching the name Koetter ( Kotter) My Great grand father was born in
> Germany and i am Looking where he came from. His name was Joseph Henry
> Koetter (Kotter) , any help would be appreciated.  Gene Koetter    e-mai
> GWK202(a)aol.com.
>
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Re: [OL]Rothe Reihe

Date: 2001/01/03 19:38:14
From: Bebloemer <Bebloemer(a)aol.com>

Hallo Betty,

ich habe die Rote Reihe Nr. 6 "Personenschatzungsregister des Amtes 
Cloppenburg von 1473" von Peter Sieve. Sende mir Bitte Deine Adresse.

gruß
Bernd


[OL]Re: Rote Reihe, Heft 6 (Personenschatzungsregister 1473 - Peter Sieve)

Date: 2001/01/03 21:02:30
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Hallo Betty,
....ich kann Dir eine Kopie machen.
....ik kan je een copie van dit heft maken. Ik zal het mee de anderen 
bladzijen per Post sturen.

Ansgar

http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen


Re: [OL]Re:Leibzucht

Date: 2001/01/03 22:10:43
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Here a copy from "Lohner-Familien" to explain the "Leibzucht".

Maybe anyone can translate into english.
-------------
Diese Umstände führten zu einer neuen Besiedelungsart mit nicht bodenständigen Leuten, mit Heuerleuten. Nicht erbberechtigte Kinder mußten entweder unverheiratet auf dem Hofe bleiben oder auswandern. Konnten oder wollten sie letzteres nicht, wollten sie aber eine Familie gründen, dann blieb ihnen nur eine Möglichkeit, die Pachtung. Das Beispiel hatten sie ja vor Augen in der Leibzucht, welche die alten Kolonen, wenn sie den Hof an den Anerben abgetreten hatten, zu beziehen pflegten. Waren diese gestorben und stand das Leibzuchtshaus leer, dann lag es nahe, daß der Anerbe einem Bruder oder einer Schwester, wenn sie heiraten wollten, die Leibzucht einräumte und gegen Hilfeleistung und einen billigen Preis etwas Land zur Bewirtschaftung überließ. Zu dem Leibzuchtshaus kamen dann noch andere Häuser hinzu für abgehende Geschwister. Es war ein billiges Mittel, abgehende Kinder abzufinden und auch die nötigen Arbeitskräfte in der Nähe zu haben, was bei weit auseinanderliegenden Höfen nicht so leicht war. Die ersten Anfänge des Heuerlingswesens zeigen sich beim Beginn der Neuzeit. Es nimmt dann ungemein zu während des 17. und 18. Jahrhunderts durch die sogenannten Husselte (Häuslinge), das sind während der Kriegswirren von Haus und Hof versprengte Bevölkerungsmassen, die in Backhäusern, Stallungen und Scheuen lebten.
------------------
> In a message dated 1/2/01 6:08:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:


>> they lived on Hackmann's Leibzucht.  I=20
>> believe the Leibzucht was an extra, smaller house that at first was for
>> the=20
>> parents to move into after giving the farm over to the inheriting son.
>> In=20
>> later years, I believe the house was often used for Heuerleute
>> (essentially=20
>> tenant farms), so this family was almost certainly Heuerleute.  If I
>> has=20
>> described this incorrectly, I would appreciate it if one of the Germans
>> on=20
>>

> I am not a native German, but I have been researching in German church
> records. My German genealogical dictionary (Thode) defines Leibzucht as:
> "life annuity, pension, life estate." Since record after record refers to
> people living on someone's Leibzucht, I took it to mean that they lived on
> the estate or farm of some particular person who inherited the right to
> manage it. I doubt that the term refers to a particular house or building.
> Any more explanation would be appreciated.
> Nancy Pundsack




[OL]Witte from Vechte

Date: 2001/01/03 22:27:29
From: Scott Witte <sjwitte(a)worldnet.att.net>

This information came from Werner. Does anyone have any further information on the family Witte from Vechte?
 
Witte, Josef Friedrich, Heuermann in Hagen, 1844 Kötter in 'vor dem Moore'
*18.Nov.1787 in Füchtel/Oythe(Vechta), +4.Dec.1863
parents: Heinrich Anton Witte - Maria Katharina Lammers
- oo 4.Febr.1817 in Vechta
  Macke, Anna-Maria, widow of Johann Heinrich Stuntebeck in Hagen, oo 20.Nov.1814 Vechta
  *11.Sep.1785 in Haverbeck/Damme, +8.Jan.1869
  parents: Arend Henrich Macke - Margaretha Deters
 
children:
*23.Sep.1817 Henrich Anton, emigrated to Amerika 1844
*10.Jan.1820 Johann Christian
*14.Feb.1822 Johann Heinrich, +16.Oct.1822
*23.Aug.1823 Franz Heinrich
*13.Mar.1826 Anna Maria
 
-------------------------
additional records from Vechta church register:
 
oo 20.Nov.1814, Stuntebeck Henrich, from Hagen, Tagelöhner(laborer),
                Parents: Henrich Stuntebeck - Anna Maria Serhusen (maybe Zerhusen)
   Macke Anna Maria, from Haverbeck/Damme, *11.Sep.1785 Damme
   Parents: Arend Henrich Macke - Margaretha Deters
 
oo 04.Feb.1817, Witte Friedrich Joseph, Füchtel/Othe(Vechta)
                Parents: Henrich Anton Witte - Maria Cathr. Lammers
   Macke Anna Maria, vidua Johan Henrich Stuntebeck from Hagen
 
*23.Sep.1817 Vechta, Henrich Anton Witte
Parents: Joseph Friedrich Witte - Anna Maria Macke
Godparents: Henrich Anton Witte - Elisabeth Pund nee Macke

Re: [OL]Witte from Vechte

Date: 2001/01/04 10:47:52
From: Otto Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hi Scott,
I do not have direct information on the persons you mentioned but I know 
the Lammers family from Oythe.
I. Dyrick Lammers, *c. 1490, + c. 1565
II. Herberdt Lammers, * c. 1515, + c. 1595
III. Dirick Lammers, * c. 1540, + c. 1600
IV. Dirick Lammers, * c. 1590, + c. 1670
V. Tale Lammers, * c. 1612, + c. 1676
VI. Joan Rebbeking called Lammers, * c. 1639, + 14.01.1719, children: Joan 
(oo Talke Thesing), Bernardus, Sophia, Talke (oo Gerdt Frye), Joannes 
Henricus
VII. Talke Lammers, * 12.03.1673, + 31.08.1750, oo Gerdt Frye called Lammers, 
children: Anna Margaretha, Joan Hermann (oo Gertrud Willenborg), Joan Henrich 
(oo Anna Catharina Terborg vidua Frye), Adolf Henrich (oo Helena Kohls), 
Catharina Maria (* 01.04.1708), Gerhard (oo Anna Maria Kuhlmann), Catharina 
Margaretha
VIII. Joan Hermann Lammers, * 22.02.1698, + 29.08.1780, oo Gertrud Willenborg, 
children: Maria Gertrud, Franz Anton, Joan Henrich, Gerhard

I know the descendents of Joan Hermann Lammers. He is definitely not an ancestor 
of Maria Katharina Lammers.
Possible ancestors are:
Joan Rebbeking/Lammers oo Talke Thesing
Joan Henrich Lammers (oo Anna Catharina Terborg vidua Frye)
Adolf Henrich Lammers (oo Helena Kohls)
Gerhard Lammers (oo Anna Maria Kuhlmann)

Has anybody more information to fill the gap?

Otto



Re: [OL]Witte from Vechte

Date: 2001/01/04 12:22:06
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Scott,
I know a man who is looking for Witte families. He knows a lot about these all over germany. Please tell me your postal adress.Give it to myprivate mail, not to the list, please. He has no Computer.I´ll send him your dates. He is looking for a relative named Tobias Witte. He emigrated to USA.
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:27 PM
Subject: [OL]Witte from Vechte

This information came from Werner. Does anyone have any further information on the family Witte from Vechte?
 
Witte, Josef Friedrich, Heuermann in Hagen, 1844 Kötter in 'vor dem Moore'
*18.Nov.1787 in Füchtel/Oythe(Vechta), +4.Dec.1863
parents: Heinrich Anton Witte - Maria Katharina Lammers
- oo 4.Febr.1817 in Vechta
  Macke, Anna-Maria, widow of Johann Heinrich Stuntebeck in Hagen, oo 20.Nov.1814 Vechta
  *11.Sep.1785 in Haverbeck/Damme, +8.Jan.1869
  parents: Arend Henrich Macke - Margaretha Deters
 
children:
*23.Sep.1817 Henrich Anton, emigrated to Amerika 1844
*10.Jan.1820 Johann Christian
*14.Feb.1822 Johann Heinrich, +16.Oct.1822
*23.Aug.1823 Franz Heinrich
*13.Mar.1826 Anna Maria
 
-------------------------
additional records from Vechta church register:
 
oo 20.Nov.1814, Stuntebeck Henrich, from Hagen, Tagelöhner(laborer),
                Parents: Henrich Stuntebeck - Anna Maria Serhusen (maybe Zerhusen)
   Macke Anna Maria, from Haverbeck/Damme, *11.Sep.1785 Damme
   Parents: Arend Henrich Macke - Margaretha Deters
 
oo 04.Feb.1817, Witte Friedrich Joseph, Füchtel/Othe(Vechta)
                Parents: Henrich Anton Witte - Maria Cathr. Lammers
   Macke Anna Maria, vidua Johan Henrich Stuntebeck from Hagen
 
*23.Sep.1817 Vechta, Henrich Anton Witte
Parents: Joseph Friedrich Witte - Anna Maria Macke
Godparents: Henrich Anton Witte - Elisabeth Pund nee Macke

Re: [OL]Witte from Vechte

Date: 2001/01/04 12:26:11
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Scott,
I know a man who is looking for Witte families. He knows a lot about these
all over germany. Please tell me your postal adress.Give it to myprivate
mail, not to the list, please. He has no Computer.I´ll send him your dates.
He is looking for a relative named Tobias Witte. He emigrated to USA.
Ingrid

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Witte
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:27 PM
Subject: [OL]Witte from Vechte


This information came from Werner. Does anyone have any further information
on the family Witte from Vechte?

Witte, Josef Friedrich, Heuermann in Hagen, 1844 Kötter in 'vor dem Moore'
*18.Nov.1787 in Füchtel/Oythe(Vechta), +4.Dec.1863
parents: Heinrich Anton Witte - Maria Katharina Lammers
- oo 4.Febr.1817 in Vechta
  Macke, Anna-Maria, widow of Johann Heinrich Stuntebeck in Hagen, oo
20.Nov.1814 Vechta
  *11.Sep.1785 in Haverbeck/Damme, +8.Jan.1869
  parents: Arend Henrich Macke - Margaretha Deters

children:
*23.Sep.1817 Henrich Anton, emigrated to Amerika 1844
*10.Jan.1820 Johann Christian
*14.Feb.1822 Johann Heinrich, +16.Oct.1822
*23.Aug.1823 Franz Heinrich
*13.Mar.1826 Anna Maria

-------------------------
additional records from Vechta church register:

oo 20.Nov.1814, Stuntebeck Henrich, from Hagen, Tagelöhner(laborer),
                Parents: Henrich Stuntebeck - Anna Maria Serhusen (maybe
Zerhusen)
   Macke Anna Maria, from Haverbeck/Damme, *11.Sep.1785 Damme
   Parents: Arend Henrich Macke - Margaretha Deters

oo 04.Feb.1817, Witte Friedrich Joseph, Füchtel/Othe(Vechta)
                Parents: Henrich Anton Witte - Maria Cathr. Lammers
   Macke Anna Maria, vidua Johan Henrich Stuntebeck from Hagen

*23.Sep.1817 Vechta, Henrich Anton Witte
Parents: Joseph Friedrich Witte - Anna Maria Macke
Godparents: Henrich Anton Witte - Elisabeth Pund nee Macke



Re: [OL]Re:Leibzucht

Date: 2001/01/04 16:40:50
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 3 Jan 2001, at 19:47, Werner Honkomp wrote:

> Here a copy from "Lohner-Familien" to explain the "Leibzucht".
> 
> Maybe anyone can translate into english.

My first good deed of the year. :-)

> -------------
> Diese Umstände führten zu einer neuen Besiedelungsart mit nicht
> bodenständigen Leuten, mit Heuerleuten. Nicht erbberechtigte Kinder
> mußten entweder unverheiratet auf dem Hofe bleiben oder auswandern.
> Konnten oder wollten sie letzteres nicht, wollten sie aber eine
> Familie gründen, dann blieb ihnen nur eine Möglichkeit, die Pachtung.

These circumstances lead to a new form of settlement for people 
who didn't own any actual landed property, ie Heuerleute. Children 
who could not inherit anything the rights to a piece of land (as such 
was not divisible) had to either live in an unmarried state on their 
parents' place or leave. If they could or would not do the latter, but 
still wanted to form a family, there was only one chance for them to 
do that, lease or otherwise arrange for some land.   

> Das Beispiel hatten sie ja vor Augen in der Leibzucht, welche die
> alten Kolonen, wenn sie den Hof an den Anerben abgetreten hatten, zu
> beziehen pflegten. Waren diese gestorben und stand das Leibzuchtshaus
> leer, dann lag es nahe, daß der Anerbe einem Bruder oder einer
> Schwester, wenn sie heiraten wollten, die Leibzucht einräumte und
> gegen Hilfeleistung und einen billigen Preis etwas Land zur
> Bewirtschaftung überließ. 

As an example of the type of arrangement they could see how the 
older system of Leibzucht (pensioned living arrangement) worked 
on the farm. It happened that, as the farmer became old, he would 
arrange with his heir to continue to live on the farm and help out as 
best he could but now longer control what the next generation was 
doing. It would happen that the parent would die and the Leibzucht 
living arrangements (not necessarily a separate house) would be 
empty. A brother or sister of the heir could then with his permission 
arrange to live there until some other circumstance might change 
that. They would exchange their labor for a little piece of land and 
the roof over their heads. 

>Zu dem Leibzuchtshaus kamen dann noch andere
> Häuser hinzu für abgehende Geschwister. Es war ein billiges Mittel,
> abgehende Kinder abzufinden und auch die nötigen Arbeitskräfte in der
> Nähe zu haben, was bei weit auseinanderliegenden Höf!
>  en nicht so leicht war. 

Over time other buildings might have been constructed to house 
other siblings and or the aging heir. It was a workable and relatively 
inexpensive way to satisfy the needs of the family. It also provided 
the necessary labor right on the spot which would have been more 
difficult if all family members were scatted about other farms.

>Die ersten Anfänge des Heuerlingswesens
>  zeigen sich beim Beginn der Neuzeit. Es nimmt dann ungemein zu
>  während des 17. und 18. Jahrhunderts durch die sogenannten Husselte
>  (Häuslinge), das sind während der Kriegswirren von Haus und Hof
>  versprengte Bevölkerungsmassen, die in Backhäusern, Stallungen und
>  Scheuen lebten.

The beginnings of this new status type of Heuerling (landless 
farmer) can be found in the Neuzeit (post medieval). During the 
17th and 18th centuries it rose to a crescendo of sorts as new 
farms simply were not available and because of the ravages of war 
through the times. People would live werever they could in bake 
houses, barns and stables. 


(the translation is not literal but should present the general meaning 
of the author.

Fred



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Naples, FL 34114
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Re: [OL]Re:Leibzucht

Date: 2001/01/04 21:29:15
From: Cherie Richards <cherier(a)asacomp.com>

Thanks Fred! This is GREAT! and thanks to Werner for providing the material.

Cherie
-----Original Message-----
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]Re:Leibzucht


>On 3 Jan 2001, at 19:47, Werner Honkomp wrote:
>
>> Here a copy from "Lohner-Familien" to explain the "Leibzucht".
>> 
>> Maybe anyone can translate into english.
>
>My first good deed of the year. :-)



Re: [OL]Death information sources?

Date: 2001/01/04 21:52:22
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

You are searching in the wrong geographical area. You should start searching 
in Schleswig-Holstein. Look at the famnord mailing list.
Gerold


[OL]Tobiason/Hibbeler

Date: 2001/01/05 22:58:16
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

1. HENRY HIBBELER  m. ANNA HENRICHS
             2. ELSIE/ELIZA HIBBELER b. Nov. 1854 Oldenburg
             2. CARL FRIEDRICH HIBBELER  b. August 23, 1859 Bockhorn
       They immigrated to Nebraska about 1886

       Eliza married George Tobiason about 1880, Germany
       Carl married Marie Miller, 1891, Hastings, Adams, NE



       Hinrich Hibbeler, Arbeiter zu Bockhorn (worker in Bockhorn) oo
Anna Elisabeth Hinrichs


       Elise Hermine Hibbeler * 3.11.1854 Bockhorn (found with marriage)

       Carl Friedrich Hibbeler * 23.8.1857
       Marie Hermine Hibbeler * 24.10.1862 Bockhorn

       Elise Hermine Hibbeler oo 18.1.1881 in Bockhorn
       Juergen Tobiassen, Schustermeister zu Grabstede, Wittwer
(shoemaker master, widower)   (second marriage for him)
       Juergen Tobiassen * 22.4.1847 Moorwinkelsdamm (found with
marriage)

       First marriage of Juergen Tobiassen:
       8.6.1875 Bockhorn, shoemaker in Grabstede, son of Johann Berend
Tobiason, Farmer in Moorwinkelsdamm and Sophie Helene Eden
       with Sophie Margarethe Lübben, born 6.10.1850 in Astede,
daughter of Renke Lübben, Farmer (Brinksitzer) in Astede and Helene
Husmann,




Johann Friedrich Hibbeler + Elisabeth Kruse  married in church:
23.1.1814 ev. luth., standesamtlich(?) 21.1.1814 in Bockhorn
 He is son of Heinrich Hibbeler, Häusling in Bockhorn
She is daughter of Johann Renke Kruse, Brinksitzer in Grabstede.

Children, born and christ. in Bockhorn, ev. luth.

born 29.4., christ. 12.5.1816  Wübcke Catharine    Paten(?): Catharine
Margrete Bruns, Harm Kruse
born 25.6., christ. 4.7.1819     Margrethe                Paten:
Talke Margrethe Kruse, Margrethe Theben, Harm Anton Engelbart
born 6.12./ 23.12. 1821          Hinrich                     Paten
Großvater Hinrich Hibbeler, Friedrich Bruns, Talke Margrethe Kruse
born 23.10./ 21.11. 1824        Johann Gerd Hibbeler     Paten: Gerd
Kruse, Talke Margarethe Engelbart
Born 2.1.1815  a daughter, died befor christ.
born 15.10. 1840 ???             Wilhelm Hinrich Anton    ( I had no
more time to look for him)









Re: [OL]Tobiason/Hibbeler

Date: 2001/01/05 23:36:13
From: Lynngns <Lynngns(a)aol.com>

Thank you so very much! I learned two new German words - Paten (godparent)
and groBvater/grossvater (grandfather).

I am still looking for a death date for Hinrich Hibbeler (b.Dec. 6, 1821 in
Bockhorn) and his wife Anna Elisabeth (Hinrichs) Hibbeler (b. 10/28/1830
Zetel). They married April 8, 1853. Since their children were all born in
Bockhorn, I think they might have died there also.

Also looking for a death date for Johann Friedrich Hibbeler and his wife
Elisabeth Kruse Hibbeler.

Will you get a chance to go back to Bockhorn? I appreciate your help so much!
Let me know what I owe you for this.
Lynn

Re: [OL]Tobiason/Hibbeler

Date: 2001/01/06 00:14:49
From: Martina Lalk <mlalk(a)nwn.de>

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Tobiason/Hibbeler

Thank you so very much! I learned two new German words - Paten (godparent)
and groBvater/grossvater (grandfather).

I am still looking for a death date for Hinrich Hibbeler (b.Dec. 6, 1821 in
Bockhorn) and his wife Anna Elisabeth (Hinrichs) Hibbeler (b. 10/28/1830
Zetel). They married April 8, 1853. Since their children were all born in
Bockhorn, I think they might have died there also.

Also looking for a death date for Johann Friedrich Hibbeler and his wife
Elisabeth Kruse Hibbeler.

Will you get a chance to go back to Bockhorn? I appreciate your help so much!
Let me know what I owe you for this.
Lynn
 
Hallo Anneliese, hello Lynn,
 
I've planned to visit Bockhorn on Monday 15th. Then I'll search further informations.
 
Martina

Re: [OL]Tobiason/Hibbeler

Date: 2001/01/06 00:31:02
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

Hi!  I'm from Hastings NE.  Did you and I correspond a few weeks ago?

Marilyn Stulken

japgrosse wrote:

> 1. HENRY HIBBELER  m. ANNA HENRICHS
>              2. ELSIE/ELIZA HIBBELER b. Nov. 1854 Oldenburg
>              2. CARL FRIEDRICH HIBBELER  b. August 23, 1859 Bockhorn
>        They immigrated to Nebraska about 1886
>
>        Eliza married George Tobiason about 1880, Germany
>        Carl married Marie Miller, 1891, Hastings, Adams, NE
>
>        Hinrich Hibbeler, Arbeiter zu Bockhorn (worker in Bockhorn) oo
> Anna Elisabeth Hinrichs
>
>        Elise Hermine Hibbeler * 3.11.1854 Bockhorn (found with marriage)
>
>        Carl Friedrich Hibbeler * 23.8.1857
>        Marie Hermine Hibbeler * 24.10.1862 Bockhorn
>
>        Elise Hermine Hibbeler oo 18.1.1881 in Bockhorn
>        Juergen Tobiassen, Schustermeister zu Grabstede, Wittwer
> (shoemaker master, widower)   (second marriage for him)
>        Juergen Tobiassen * 22.4.1847 Moorwinkelsdamm (found with
> marriage)
>
>        First marriage of Juergen Tobiassen:
>        8.6.1875 Bockhorn, shoemaker in Grabstede, son of Johann Berend
> Tobiason, Farmer in Moorwinkelsdamm and Sophie Helene Eden
>        with Sophie Margarethe Lübben, born 6.10.1850 in Astede,
> daughter of Renke Lübben, Farmer (Brinksitzer) in Astede and Helene
> Husmann,
>
> Johann Friedrich Hibbeler + Elisabeth Kruse  married in church:
> 23.1.1814 ev. luth., standesamtlich(?) 21.1.1814 in Bockhorn
>  He is son of Heinrich Hibbeler, Häusling in Bockhorn
> She is daughter of Johann Renke Kruse, Brinksitzer in Grabstede.
>
> Children, born and christ. in Bockhorn, ev. luth.
>
> born 29.4., christ. 12.5.1816  Wübcke Catharine    Paten(?): Catharine
> Margrete Bruns, Harm Kruse
> born 25.6., christ. 4.7.1819     Margrethe                Paten:
> Talke Margrethe Kruse, Margrethe Theben, Harm Anton Engelbart
> born 6.12./ 23.12. 1821          Hinrich                     Paten
> Großvater Hinrich Hibbeler, Friedrich Bruns, Talke Margrethe Kruse
> born 23.10./ 21.11. 1824        Johann Gerd Hibbeler     Paten: Gerd
> Kruse, Talke Margarethe Engelbart
> Born 2.1.1815  a daughter, died befor christ.
> born 15.10. 1840 ???             Wilhelm Hinrich Anton    ( I had no
> more time to look for him)
>
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> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l



[OL]Ewald Family

Date: 2001/01/06 02:43:19
From: Rod & JoAnn Ewald <rodewald(a)conpoint.com>

Dear Sir:
     Glad to see Oldenburg On the net.
I am searching for the Ewald Family,
please tell me how to get the Lutheran
Church records My E-Mail adress is
                               Thank You

Re: [OL]Tobiason/Hibbeler

Date: 2001/01/06 03:25:41
From: Lynngns <Lynngns(a)aol.com>

Hi Marilyn,
      Yes, we did. Did you have a good Christmas? Mine was good but I'm worn
out from it all. Getting ready to go on a vacation tomorrow with my husband.
Hope you have a good year. Will talk to you when I return.
Lynn

Re: [OL]Tobiason/Hibbeler

Date: 2001/01/06 04:04:46
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

OK, have a good vacation!  Talk to you later.

Marilyn




Re: [OL]Ewald Family - lutheran church records in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/06 11:23:55
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Look at www.genealogy.net/gene/vereine/OGF and then at 'list of parishes'. 
There you will find information about lutheran church records.
Gerold 


Re: [OL]Ewald Family

Date: 2001/01/06 12:25:59
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Rod,
there are no films from  the lutherian church of Oldenburg. If you know the
parish, where your ancestors came from, perhaps someone from the list is so
nice to look for them. Otherwise you have to write to:
 Archiv des Evangelisch-Lutherischen Oberkirchenrats
Philosophenweg 1
D-26121 Oldenburg
or
Archiv des Evangelisch-Lutherischen Oberkirchenrats
Postfach 1709
 D-26007 Oldenburg
This is the Archiv of the lutherian Church of Oldenburg

The other possibility ist to ask the

Staatsarchiv Oldenburg
  Damm 43
  26135 Oldenburg
Phone: Germany (0441) 9244 -100
  In both cases you must pay for all informations. I do not know how
expensive this is. You will find it out by yourself.
I have alot of dates from north of Oldenburg. This region is called
Friesische Wehde. The Main places are: Zetel. Bockhorn, Grabstede, Varel,
Neuenburg, Ruttel and Ruttelerfelde. If your ancestors came from there,
perhaps I am able to help you.
Good luck and succes
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod & JoAnn Ewald" <rodewald(a)conpoint.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 2:43 AM
Subject: [OL]Ewald Family


Dear Sir:
     Glad to see Oldenburg On the net.
I am searching for the Ewald Family,
please tell me how to get the Lutheran
Church records My E-Mail adress is
  rodewald(a)conpoint.com
                               Thank You




[OL]Bockhorn

Date: 2001/01/07 01:43:14
From: Anneliese Grosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

 
Hallo Martina,
mach die Fahrt nicht umsonst. Die Einsicht in die KB soll nur noch am do von 14 bis 16.30 Uhr nach telefonischer Anmeldung geschehen können. Ich bin selber ganz enttäuscht, da ich in den Ferien jetzt ganz viel nachschauen wollte. Das war ein Reinfall!!
Anneliese

AW: [OL]Tobiason/Hibbeler

Date: 2001/01/07 01:43:17
From: Anneliese Grosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

Hello Marilyn,
pardon, this data where not for you. Thank you for your answer.
Anneliese


Hi!  I'm from Hastings NE.  Did you and I correspond a few weeks ago?

Marilyn Stulken

japgrosse wrote:

> 1. HENRY HIBBELER  m. ANNA HENRICHS
>              2. ELSIE/ELIZA HIBBELER b. Nov. 1854 Oldenburg
>              2. CARL FRIEDRICH HIBBELER  b. August 23, 1859 Bockhorn




[OL]Wtr: Knipper - Steinfeld

Date: 2001/01/07 11:36:02
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Kann jemand weiterhelfen bei dieser Anfrage zu Knipper aus Steinfeld ?
Gerold Diers
--- Begin Message ---
      My husband's grandfather:  ANTON AUGUST KNIPPER   b. 23 Jan 1869  and
his brother Franz Henrich b. 14 Jul 1859  emigrated to the USA and Iowa
sometime after 1892.  Franz had a child born in Iowa 1896 and Anton was
married in Iowa 1902.  That's all I have to go on.   BRENDA
----- Original Message -----
From: <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
To: <bknipper(a)n-connect.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Knipper


> Steinfeld is a catholic parish within the area of Oldenburg. Give me the
> birthdates of those people who emigrated from there. I will then post your
> request to the Oldenburg mailing list. There are some people
knowledgeable
> about the parish of Steinfeld.
> Gerold
>


--- End Message ---

Re: [OL]Wtr: Knipper - Steinfeld

Date: 2001/01/07 17:54:42
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Gerold,
ich habe das Steinfeld Register und kann die beiden Geburtsdaten bestätigen.
Ich werde direkt antworten.

Werner


> Kann jemand weiterhelfen bei dieser Anfrage zu Knipper aus Steinfeld ?
> Gerold Diers


>       My husband's grandfather:  ANTON AUGUST KNIPPER   b. 23 Jan 1869
>       and
> his brother Franz Henrich b. 14 Jul 1859  emigrated to the USA and Iowa
> sometime after 1892.  Franz had a child born in Iowa 1896 and Anton was
> married in Iowa 1902.  That's all I have to go on.   BRENDA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
> To: <bknipper(a)n-connect.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Knipper


>> Steinfeld is a catholic parish within the area of Oldenburg. Give me the
>> birthdates of those people who emigrated from there. I will then post
>> your
>> request to the Oldenburg mailing list. There are some people
> knowledgeable
>> about the parish of Steinfeld.
>> Gerold
>>





Re: [OL]Bockhorn

Date: 2001/01/07 18:27:52
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Ich hatte auch schon so meine Schwierigkeiten mit dem Gemeindebüro in 
Bockhorn. 
Es gibt da noch eine Expertin, die einen Teil der KB in Abschrift bei sich zu 
Hause hat:
Gisela Kunst, Uhlhornstr. 30a, 26345 Bockhorn, Tel. 04453-71817

Sie gibt auch Auskünfte !

Gerold 


Re: [OL]Wtr: Knipper - Steinfeld

Date: 2001/01/07 18:30:08
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hallo Werner,
ok, das ist gut.
Gerold


Re: [OL]Bockhorn

Date: 2001/01/08 00:04:31
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo liebe Mitforscher,
 keine Panik wegen der <Lesezeiten in Bockhorn. Die Bücher liegen Komplett
als Zweitschriften im Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg außerdem kann man sie beim
Oberkirchenrat in Microfiche einsehen.
Für das, was dann noch übrig bleibt, müßten die Zeiten in Bockhorn
ausreichen.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anneliese Grosse" <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 1:38 AM
Subject: [OL]Bockhorn


>
>     Hallo Martina,
>     mach die Fahrt nicht umsonst. Die Einsicht in die KB soll nur noch am
do
> von 14 bis 16.30 Uhr nach telefonischer Anmeldung geschehen können. Ich
bin
> selber ganz enttäuscht, da ich in den Ferien jetzt ganz viel nachschauen
> wollte. Das war ein Reinfall!!
>     Anneliese
>



Re: [OL]Bockhorn

Date: 2001/01/08 00:13:15
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

I have a great grandmother from Bockhorn and am interested to know what the
following says in English.  Would someone please translate?

Thanks,
Marilyn

Ingrid Heine wrote:

> Hallo liebe Mitforscher,
>  keine Panik wegen der <Lesezeiten in Bockhorn. Die Bücher liegen Komplett
> als Zweitschriften im Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg außerdem kann man sie beim
> Oberkirchenrat in Microfiche einsehen.
> Für das, was dann noch übrig bleibt, müßten die Zeiten in Bockhorn
> ausreichen.
> Liebe Grüße
> Ingrid



Re: [OL]Bockhorn

Date: 2001/01/08 00:44:55
From: Martina Lalk <mlalk(a)nwn.de>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ingrid Heine" <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Bockhorn


> Hallo liebe Mitforscher,
>  keine Panik wegen der <Lesezeiten in Bockhorn. Die Bücher liegen Komplett
> als Zweitschriften im Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg

Eben nicht komplett.
Vor 1869 ist schon mal eine Lücke, wie groß (aus dem Kopf weiß ich nur, daß
sie nicht gerade klein ist),
kann ich erst morgen schreiben. Dann bin ich wieder in Oldenburg.
Im KS-Verzeichnis der OGF ist auch angegeben, daß die Bücher komplett nur in
der KG vorliegen :-(

außerdem kann man sie beim
> Oberkirchenrat in Microfiche einsehen.

Ob die da komplett sind, weiß ich nicht, vermutlich aber nicht.

> Für das, was dann noch übrig bleibt, müßten die Zeiten in Bockhorn
> ausreichen.

Bockhorn hat einen ENTSCHEIDENDEN Vorteil: Register!!!
Außerdem sind Bücher BEDEUTEND besser als die ollen Fiches, die für vor 1800
auch im StAO vorliegen.


Martina



Re: [OL]Bockhorn

Date: 2001/01/08 00:54:30
From: Martina Lalk <mlalk(a)nwn.de>

> I have a great grandmother from Bockhorn and am interested to know what
the
> following says in English.  Would someone please translate.

Wouldn't help without the context.

Now Bockhorn opens for searchers only on Thursday from 2.00 p. m. to 4.30 p.
m. Before it was open from Monday to Friday till 2.00 p. m. So we've only
150 min. the week for searching now. That's not much. In the archives in
Oldenburg the Bockhorn books aren't complete so we need to visit Bockhorn
for much of searched years. I'm working the whole day and every monday is
free. For Thursday I need a holiday :-((

Ingrid Heine wrote that the Bockhorn books are complete in archives in
Oldenburg (Staatsarchiv) and at the Oberkirchenrat and that we should have
no panic.

But for the Staatsarchiv I know that the Bockhorn books are NOT complete
there.

Martina

> Ingrid Heine wrote:
>
> > Hallo liebe Mitforscher,
> >  keine Panik wegen der <Lesezeiten in Bockhorn. Die Bücher liegen
Komplett
> > als Zweitschriften im Staatsarchiv in Oldenburg außerdem kann man sie
beim
> > Oberkirchenrat in Microfiche einsehen.
> > Für das, was dann noch übrig bleibt, müßten die Zeiten in Bockhorn
> > ausreichen.
> > Liebe Grüße
> > Ingrid




Re: [OL]Bockhorn

Date: 2001/01/08 03:17:07
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

Thank you!!

Marilyn




[OL]Brunken

Date: 2001/01/08 14:29:25
From: Dennis Young <dyoung(a)machlink.com>

I am searching for information on Brunke Brunken b. October 2, 1865 in Neudorf, Ostfriesland , d. February 11, 1932 in Plymouth County, Iowa, USA. His parents(eltern) were Ubbe and Etji Brunken. He came to America in 1889 and married Talke Catherine Dirks in May 21, 1893 in Plymouth County Iowa. Thanks for any help and will be happy to compare notes with anyone.
Denny

[OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/08 17:39:15
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

I am looking for information on :

Anna Johanna Charlotta Menke

born Feb 12, 1860 in Grand Duchy of Oldenburg

daughter of Henrich Menke and Anna Johnson

Emigrated to New York in 1881/2 to marry Diedrich Brinkmann of Ottersberg 
Germany

The family believes that her parents died when she was young, and she then 
lived with an older married sister.  She may have then been living in the 
Ottersberg area, since she knew Diedrich Brinkmann of there before she 
emigrated to marry him in the U.S.

Any information you may have to help me locate the village she was born in 
would be great!  Thanks so much!

Linda in MN, USA


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/08 17:51:58
From: Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers(a)Mankato.MSUS.EDU>

Dear Linda,
The surname MENKE appears several times in Tenfelde's <Auswanderungen und Auswanderer 
aus dem ehemalingen Kreise Lingen> (see page 236). Several MENKES emigated from the 
Lingen area around 1846-1847.   One MENKE who emigrated later (1883) is Johsnn Gerhard. 
30.4.1861.  Schapen, Dienstknecht, ausgewandert 1883.  E: Heuerleute Hermann Henrich 
Menke und Maria Anna Verkamp.  I'm not sure whether there might be connection to your 
ancestor, but perhaps the families are linked.  The surname MENKE also appears in Rolf 
Suwolto's database on Emsburen, Germany, at this URL:
http://www.lesum.de/juling/cgi-bin/db_search.cgi?setup_file=emsbsearch.setup&NACHNAME=Menke
These twns (Lingen, Emsburen), which are close to one another, might be two 
possible starting points for your research.
Sincerely,
Suzanne 
---------------------
On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:37:08 EST Lhpelak(a)aol.com wrote:

> I am looking for information on :
> 
> Anna Johanna Charlotta Menke
> 
> born Feb 12, 1860 in Grand Duchy of Oldenburg
> 
> daughter of Henrich Menke and Anna Johnson
> 
> Emigrated to New York in 1881/2 to marry Diedrich Brinkmann of Ottersberg 
> Germany
> 
> The family believes that her parents died when she was young, and she then 
> lived with an older married sister.  She may have then been living in the 
> Ottersberg area, since she knew Diedrich Brinkmann of there before she 
> emigrated to marry him in the U.S.
> 
> Any information you may have to help me locate the village she was born in 
> would be great!  Thanks so much!
> 
> Linda in MN, USA
> 
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Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/08 18:27:26
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks so much Suzanne for looking up my Menkes.  They are good suggestions 
for where to start my search!

Linda in Wayzata, MN - it sure is a small world!  I post to the Oldenburg 
list and my first reply is from Mankato, MN!


[OL]Von Waden?

Date: 2001/01/08 18:27:49
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

My 4G grandfather, Johann Stulken married Anna Sophie geb. von Waden in 1761.
A note on the material that was sent to me indicates nothing further is known
of her.  I know that "von" means "from".  I find no "Waden" on my map. Is
there such a place?   Does anyone know?  The Stulkens were from around
Gristede.

Thanks.
Marilyn



Re: [OL]Von Waden?

Date: 2001/01/08 19:05:22
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Von Waden is a rather common name in this area. I do not think Waden has
anything to do with a place name - I wouldn't know one, either.
Hans Bahlow's Namenlexikon explains 'Waden' with 'sumpfiger Pfuhl' = swampy
pool. If he is right, von Waden may be the guy from the swamps ?
Heiko

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An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Montag, 8. Januar 2001 18:29
Betreff: [OL]Von Waden?


>My 4G grandfather, Johann Stulken married Anna Sophie geb. von Waden in
1761.
>A note on the material that was sent to me indicates nothing further is
known
>of her.  I know that "von" means "from".  I find no "Waden" on my map. Is
>there such a place?   Does anyone know?  The Stulkens were from around
>Gristede.
>
>Thanks.
>Marilyn
>
>
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Re: [OL]Von Waden?

Date: 2001/01/08 19:06:07
From: Martina Lalk <mlalk(a)nwn.de>

----- Original Message -----
From: "M Stulken" <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: [OL]Von Waden?


> My 4G grandfather, Johann Stulken married Anna Sophie geb. von Waden in
1761.
> A note on the material that was sent to me indicates nothing further is
known
> of her.  I know that "von" means "from".  I find no "Waden" on my map. Is
> there such a place?   Does anyone know?  The Stulkens were from around
> Gristede.

"von Waden" is the surname.

Martina




Re: [OL]Von Waden?

Date: 2001/01/08 20:03:39
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

It is very hard to find an exact name, but trry this site:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm

It allows you to put in the town name and will search for other phonetically 
similar names also.  When it gives you a list of possible matches, click on 
the map coordinates to see where they are.

Another helpful thing is send an email to:  geo(a)genealogy.net

In the body put ONLY the name of the town, putting an * to take the place of 
any missing letters.  First put in a simple town name (Hamburg), and it will 
give you a whole set of directions about how to input.

Good luck and have a merry Christmas and happy - and hopefully productive 
genealogically speaking -   new year!

Linda in MN



Re: [OL]Von Waden?

Date: 2001/01/08 20:23:04
From: Fritz Buentemeyer <Fritz.Buentemeyer(a)t-online.de>

Hello Marylin,

the rural village Gristede is a part of Wiefelstede parish, about 20 km
north of Oldenburg. I think the "von Waden" is not a place, but it could be
a family name. Today we have a few families with the name "von Waaden" in
our region. Give me a few days to check the churchbooks from Wiefelstede.
Perhaps you could give me more information about this couple.

Greetings from Wiefelstede
Fritz

----- Original Message -----
From: "M Stulken" <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: [OL]Von Waden?


> My 4G grandfather, Johann Stulken married Anna Sophie geb. von Waden in
1761.
> A note on the material that was sent to me indicates nothing further is
known
> of her.  I know that "von" means "from".  I find no "Waden" on my map. Is
> there such a place?   Does anyone know?  The Stulkens were from around
> Gristede.
>
> Thanks.
> Marilyn
>
>
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[OL]Bohlken, Wiemken

Date: 2001/01/08 20:27:16
From: Gerd Bohlken <GerdBohlken(a)t-online.de>

Hallo, liebe Listenteilnehmer,
ich bin auf der suche nach Informationen zu Johann Bohlken, geb. 31 Januar 1865 in Zetel und Hinrich Hermann Wiemken geb. 3 April 1849 in Jade Altendorf.
Vielleicht kann mir jemand weiterhelfen ?
 
Vielen Dank
Gerd Bohlken 

Re: [OL]Von Waden?

Date: 2001/01/08 20:59:39
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

Thanks!
Marilyn

Martina Lalk wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M Stulken" <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 6:21 PM
> Subject: [OL]Von Waden?
>
> > My 4G grandfather, Johann Stulken married Anna Sophie geb. von Waden in
> 1761.
> > A note on the material that was sent to me indicates nothing further is
> known
> > of her.  I know that "von" means "from".  I find no "Waden" on my map. Is
> > there such a place?   Does anyone know?  The Stulkens were from around
> > Gristede.
>
> "von Waden" is the surname.
>
> Martina
>
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Re: [OL]Von Waden?

Date: 2001/01/08 21:02:10
From: M Stulken <mstulken(a)rli-net.net>

Thanks, Linda!  I'll give it a whirl!

Marilyn

Lhpelak(a)aol.com wrote:

> It is very hard to find an exact name, but trry this site:
>
> http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm
>
> It allows you to put in the town name and will search for other phonetically
> similar names also.  When it gives you a list of possible matches, click on
> the map coordinates to see where they are.
>
> Another helpful thing is send an email to:  geo(a)genealogy.net
>
> In the body put ONLY the name of the town, putting an * to take the place of
> any missing letters.  First put in a simple town name (Hamburg), and it will
> give you a whole set of directions about how to input.
>
> Good luck and have a merry Christmas and happy - and hopefully productive
> genealogically speaking -   new year!
>
> Linda in MN
>
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[OL]Familie Asseln / von Asseln

Date: 2001/01/08 21:29:38
From: Matthias Asseln <matthias.asseln(a)kielnet.net>

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,
ein frohes und gesundes neues Jahr für Euch alle.
Ich habe 2 Fragen bei deren Beantwortung Ihr mir vielleicht behilflich sein
könnt.
Weis jemand von Euch was "Blauhand" ist? Ist das ein Ort? Bei der Durchsicht
der Kirchenbücher aus Zetel bin ich auf dieses Wort bei einigen meiner Ahnen
gestossen.
Hat vielleicht jemand von Euch (außer Herr Oltmanns und Herr Siebolds; die
beiden Herren haben mir schon wertvolle Daten zur Verfügung gestellt) noch
die Namen Asseln / von Asseln im Bestand? Ich würde mich sehr freuen wenn
ich noch weitere Hinweise zu den o. a. genannten Familien erhalten könnte.
Insbesondere die Familie von Asseln aus Oldenburg (mehrere Bürgermeister
zwischen 1600 und 1725) habe ich noch nicht weiter verfolgt. Da ich es aus
beruflichen Gründen nicht schaffen werde in nächster Zeit von Kiel nach
Oldenburg zu fahren, wäre ich über jeden weiteren Hinweis sehr dankbar.
Vielen Dank im voraus.
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Matthias Asseln



Re: [OL]Familie Asseln / von Asseln

Date: 2001/01/08 22:04:07
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Matthias,
Blauhand ist ein Ort im Kirchspiel Zetel. Dort wurden, wenn ich mich recht
erinnere, die Leinen gefärbt und daher der Name
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid



Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 04:29:59
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

Well I've got Menke on my side of the family and from my husband's too...
here in St Louis Park...  Hi neighbor!!

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Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 05:19:00
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

My Menkes came from Bakum and Hazelune, Germany

I have 120 Menkes and 4 or 5 Henry/Heinrichs.  I even have a Brinkmann.
She married a Kramer fellow from Ruschendorf (near Damme).

None of these Henrys married a Anna Johnson. So I guess I don't have an exact match for you....

Josie
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[OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/09 06:32:06
From: Glenn W Neumann <gwneumann(a)cfaith.com>

Hi  I am new to the list.  This is the information that I have and wonder if
it connects with anyone.
Wilhelm Tieste born abt 1836-1844
Friederike Peper born 1844 parents Theodore Peper and Julia Bohn
Wilhelm married Friederike abt  1863-1865
Children:
Julianne Tieste born 1866
Amalia Tieste born 1872
Johanna Tieste born ?
Wilhelm Tieste died
Friederike married  Friederich A Freese abt 1876-1881
Friederike, Friederich, Amalia, Julianne and Johanna came to the USA betwee
the years 1898 and 1903.

Sandi




Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/09 07:20:42
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Hi Sandi

Although I don't have any of your names in my family research, when I was 
looking at the FHL microfilms for Otterstedt, near Bremen, which was in 
Hannover, not Oldenburg,  the records did have Peper and Freese in them, but 
not tieste or Bohn that I remember.  The microfilm was #1189529, covering the 
years 1823-1852.

Are you sure it was in Oldenburg?

Linda in MN


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 07:35:11
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Hi Josie,

Yes, it is a small world!  

The towns that you gave me - were they part of the Grand Duchy of Oldenburg 
do you know?  I am getting desperate enough to consider checking with the 
churches of any Oldenburg areas that had Menkes!

Linda 


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 07:47:00
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>


Ruschendorf(Damme) is for sure in Oldenburg, yep.

The other place....mmmm. Don't know for sure. But I'd say 90% chance that it is Oldenburg... If you typed it in on Mapquest, you might get a quick answer....
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Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 07:55:02
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>


Have you tried looking at the german white pages....
Then any concentration of Menke names might point you in the right direction....
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Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 08:07:30
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks for the info Josie - you are up late too!

The problem with the German white pages is that there are many Menkes, but 
also that I find it hard to tell if the towns were in the Duchy of Oldenburg, 
since now I think it is all part of Niedersachsen.

Linda


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 08:16:21
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

Yep up late....
I'm printing out stuff for a Scout meeting tomorrow and looking for a badge graphic for my scout web page.... www.usfamily.net/web/scouts.
Go take a peak....

Are you familiar with news groups....
go to alt.genealogy german newsgroup. There's a fellow on there named Fred Rump, who could tell you anything....

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Re: [OL]Brunken

Date: 2001/01/09 13:38:54
From: Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers(a)Mankato.MSUS.EDU>

Denny,
Do you know where in Plymouth County, Iowa, your ancestor died?  Church records might 
yield useful information.  I'm also curious whether you've already worked with records in 
Le Mars, the county seat of Plymouth County, Iowa.  I've found that birth and death 
records there have often yielded good leads.  If you've not yet visited the Plymouth 
County Rootsweb site, you might want to post queries there as well:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~iaplymou/Main.htm
Best wishes in your search,
Suzanne

On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:01:32 -0600 Dennis Young <dyoung(a)machlink.com> wrote:

> I am searching for information on Brunke Brunken b. October 2, 1865 in Neudorf, 
> Ostfriesland , d. February 11, 1932 in Plymouth County, Iowa, USA. His parents(eltern) 
> were Ubbe and Etji Brunken. He came to America in 1889 and married Talke Catherine Dirks 
> in May 21, 1893 in Plymouth County Iowa. Thanks for any help and will be happy to compare 
> notes with anyone. Denny







Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 15:43:03
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 9 Jan 2001, at 1:14, Josie Petermeier wrote:

> Are you familiar with news groups....
> go to alt.genealogy german  newsgroup.  There's a fellow on there
> named Fred Rump, who could tell you anything....

Now wait a minute. Sure I could tell you anything .... but I would hope 
to know the question first. :-) Trouble is I really don't read or post to 
alt.genealogy. You must be referring to soc.genealogy.german and 
even there I've not said a peep in quite a while. I've enough trouble 
keeping up with the various mail lists such as this one. 

Strangely enough I also have some Menkes in my genealogy but 
they are remote and married into people who had married into the 
family. So I really don't have much to offer. 

I did post my GEDCOM to gedbase.genealogy.net which is the new 
German database offered by the Genealogy-Computer Society 
which basically stands behind genealogy.net. Try it out. You might 
want to post your own genealogy there too. It's where Germans look 
for ancestors. :-)

Fred
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Naples, FL 34114
941-775-7838
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Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 16:32:44
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 8 Jan 2001, at 22:17, Josie Petermeier wrote:

> My Menkes came from Bakum and Hazelune, Germany
> 
> I have 120 Menkes and 4 or 5 Henry/Heinrichs.  I even have a
> Brinkmann. She married a Kramer fellow from Ruschendorf (near Damme).

My Menkes are from Herbergen, in the parish of Lastrup. Maria 
Elisabeth Menke married Gerhard Heinrich Barlage there in 1816. 
She was born there in 1788 to Joan Heinrich Menke & Elisabeth 
Rape. 

The Barlages first child was still born in Herbergen but then the 
family moved to Essen where the rest of their children were born. 

Fred

 


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Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/09 16:50:58
From: Glenn W Neumann <gwneumann(a)cfaith.com>

Hi
All of the children by Friederike's second marriage Hugo, Minnie, Max were
born in Oldenburg.  The first marriage children Amalie, Johanna and Julianne
Tieste, I don't know where they were born.  I can't find the marriage record
for either marriage..  I will order the film you mentioned and see if
anything pops up Thanks for the info.
I have written to the archive but they do not respond.  Is this a common
problem with Oldenburg Archiv?.  Is there any other source like trying to
find the lutheran church yourself and writing to them directly?  I wouldn't
know where to begin.

Sandi

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Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:18 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg


> Hi Sandi
>
> Although I don't have any of your names in my family research, when I was
> looking at the FHL microfilms for Otterstedt, near Bremen, which was in
> Hannover, not Oldenburg,  the records did have Peper and Freese in them,
but
> not tieste or Bohn that I remember.  The microfilm was #1189529, covering
the
> years 1823-1852.
>
> Are you sure it was in Oldenburg?
>
> Linda in MN
>
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Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 18:43:14
From: Otto Felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hi Linda,
Bakum is near Vechta, former Grand Duchy of Oldenburg,
Haselünne is in the Emsland, Niedersachsen.

I have some Menking / Menke, too, but I don't think it helps you further by now:
Johan Menking, * 1140-1470 in Bergstrup near Vechta, + 1510-1540
Johan Menking, * c. 1500 in bergstrup, + c. 1570 in Bergstrup
??? Menking, * c. 1530 in Bergstrup, + c. 1600 in Bergstrup
Johan Menking, * c. 1560 in Bergstrup, + c. 1630 in Bergstrup
Hilleke Menking, * c. 1587 in Bergstrup, + c. 1645 in Calveslage near Vechta
Dirick Menking, * c. 1585 in Bergstrup, + c. 1650 in Bergstrup
The family later was called Menke.
Furthermore one brother in law of mine is a Menke from Visbek-Hohenbögen near 
Vechta, but I don't know his ancestors.
And ...
Wilh. Georg Gerhard Menke, * c. 1850 Schwichteler near Vechta, oo Anna Catharina 
Lohmann
Gottfried Menke, * c. 1880 Schwichteler
Ida Menke, * 11.06.1881 Schwichteler, oo Hermann Joseph Kröger

Otto





Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/09 19:37:47
From: gram <gram(a)zianet.com>

Hi Sandi,My grandfather  Anton NIEMANN  was born in Oldenburg,  I 
wonder if  your  Surname Neumann   is   one  of  the  names that had its
spelling  chanaged  ? My Anton  was catholic  and  I  am  checking  the
LDS  film  for St  Andreas  RC.  I  wonder if  there is a simular film 
for the Luthern church ?   Maybe someone on the Oldenburg list will know
?  Emma   <gram(a)zianet.com>

Glenn W Neumann wrote:
> 
> Hi
> All of the children by Friederike's second marriage Hugo, Minnie, Max were
> born in Oldenburg.  The first marriage children Amalie, Johanna and Julianne
> Tieste, I don't know where they were born.  I can't find the marriage record
> for either marriage..  I will order the film you mentioned and see if
> anything pops up Thanks for the info.
> I have written to the archive but they do not respond.  Is this a common
> problem with Oldenburg Archiv?.  Is there any other source like trying to
> find the lutheran church yourself and writing to them directly?  I wouldn't
> know where to begin.
> 
> Sandi
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg
> 
> > Hi Sandi
> >
> > Although I don't have any of your names in my family research, when I was
> > looking at the FHL microfilms for Otterstedt, near Bremen, which was in
> > Hannover, not Oldenburg,  the records did have Peper and Freese in them,
> but
> > not tieste or Bohn that I remember.  The microfilm was #1189529, covering
> the
> > years 1823-1852.
> >
> > Are you sure it was in Oldenburg?
> >
> > Linda in MN
> >
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[OL]Menke/Witte/Hanneke/Nieman

Date: 2001/01/09 20:23:54
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

In the Churchrecords from The St.Vituschurch in and from the aria
Löningen.

I have see te surnames Menke,Witte,Hanneke,Henneke verry much.
I wil try this weekend to make a global list from the surnames, and from
the places around Löningen the also used the St, Vituschurch.
I notice that when there is a loose end, a lot off you  dont think
about, or nows there is a  posiblity that mabey one off there ancestors
is baptized in Löningen.
 In between you nowe al the quality off mi english is not that wel,
 but I hope that you understand what I like to say.
greetings Betty Krull


[OL]Wtr: Grandparents - Schwabe, Macke

Date: 2001/01/09 20:28:38
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Can somebody help on this request ?
The names sound strange to me. 
Gerold Diers
--- Begin Message ---
Hello, I am interested in finding out anything I can on my grandparents. My
grandfather, Bernard A. Schwabe, was born June 29, 1863 in Oldenburg and
came to America in 1888. His parents were Bernard and Kate (Schwaben)
Schwabe. He had three brothers.
My grandmother, Anna Macke was born Sept. 20, 1875, in Oldenburg and came
to America in 1893, where she married my grandfather. Her parents were Anna
(Baumer) Macke and Bernard Macke. I'm told she had three sisters.
I wonder if there are any relatives still in Oldenburg or surrounding
areas. I am coming to Germany this summer and any information I can get on
grandparents or great-grandparents, uncles, aunts etc. would be
appreciated. I would like to find churches or gravesites of my ancestors.
Thank you so much.
Jean Schultz
Elkhorn, Nebr. USA
schultzbj(a)qwest.net




--- End Message ---

Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/09 20:40:29
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hello Sandi,
when you write to one of the Oldenburg Archives, please 
-be patient in expecting a reply
-when asking per e-mail, the state archive will only consider your request if 
you give you full postal address
-be as specific as possible with the data you can provide. In particular, you 
need to name the parish. There are more than 130 parishes in the region of 
Oldenburg, and the people in the archives will not search for you in all 130 
parish records.
Gerold Diers (Oldenburg Genealogical Society)


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 20:56:00
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks so much Fred, I will try posting to that database.

Linda in MN


Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/09 20:58:06
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Hi Sandy,

I haven't tried writing to the Oldenburg Archiv.  I have visited some 
churches in person and they have been very cooperative.  I have heard that if 
you write a church directly and enclose a donation of some sort they will 
generally respond, but of course that can vary tremendously!  I would opt for 
the microfilms of the church registers if they are available.

Good luck!

Linda in MN


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 21:00:28
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks Otto for all the possible Menke villages!  I will start following up 
on them.

Linda in MN USA


Re: [OL]Menke/Witte/Hanneke/Nieman

Date: 2001/01/09 21:04:29
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Hi Betty,

Thank you very much for making a list of these surnames!  I look forward to 
seeing it - and your English is just fine!

Linda in Minnesota, USA


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 21:33:25
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 1/9/01 8:43:52 AM Central Standard Time, 
fredrump(a)earthlink.net writes:

<< I did post my GEDCOM to gedbase.genealogy.net which is >>


Hi Fred, - the above page doesn't seem to be a valid address.  I tried adding 
www. also, but no luck.  Any ideas?

Linda in MN


Re: [OL]Familie Asseln / von Asseln

Date: 2001/01/09 21:50:48
From: Uwe Fangmann <uwe.fangmann(a)nwn.de>

Hallo Matthias,

Das "Oldenburger Häuserbuch" von Günter Wachtendorf, erschienen im Verlag
Bültmann und Gerriets, enthält ein paar Eintragungen über Familien von
Asseln. Bei Interesse melde dich, ich scanne die Seiten und schicke sie per
mail.

Zu Blauhand gibt es folgendes zu sagen:

Blauhand hat schon im 16. Jahrhundert an schwarzem Brack gelegen, das durch
mehrere schwere Sturmfluten entstand. Diese schwarze Brack wurde von den
Grafen von Oldenburg eingedeicht. Heute führt die A29 durch dieses Gebiet.
Der Name Blauhand soll von der Form des Bracks herrühren, das seine Arme wie
Finger in das Land streckte. Auch dieses kannst du in ein paar Büchern
nachlesen. In "Meer und Mensch am Jadebusen" von Christian Kühnemann, Verlag
Ad.Littmann in Oldenburg und "Das schwarze Brack" von Hans Egidius, im CCV
Centrum Cartographie Verlag in Varel erschienen.

mit freundlichen Grüßen von der Nordseeküste

Uwe Fangmann

Forschungsgebiet Friesische Wehde mit den Namen Fangmann und Säfken.
Homepage http://home.nordwest.net/fam.fangmann



Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 22:10:33
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Linda in MN wrote:


<<Hi Fred, - the above page doesn't seem to be a valid address.  I tried 
adding
www. also, but no luck.  Any ideas?

Linda in MN>>

Linda,

Try just going to to www.genealogy.net.  It has a link on the first page 
after you enter.  The name there is Gedbas, without the "e", so trying the 
address without the "e" might work too, but that's just a guess.  The link is 
for sure.

Don



Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 22:24:09
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Linda,
if your Menke is catholic then she came from southern Oldenburg (Vechta, Steinfeld, Damme, etc.).
I checked the Steinfeld register, but not successfull.

This Menkes emigrated from Damme:

Menke, Dienstmagd aus Greven    1 1846 Osterdamme 
Menke, Witwe mit Familie bei Kötter Kruse  4 1843 Rottinghausen 


Werner

.

> I am looking for information on :

> Anna Johanna Charlotta Menke

> born Feb 12, 1860 in Grand Duchy of Oldenburg

> daughter of Henrich Menke and Anna Johnson

> Emigrated to New York in 1881/2 to marry Diedrich Brinkmann of Ottersberg
> Germany

> The family believes that her parents died when she was young, and she then
> lived with an older married sister.  She may have then been living in the
> Ottersberg area, since she knew Diedrich Brinkmann of there before she
> emigrated to marry him in the U.S.

> Any information you may have to help me locate the village she was born in
> would be great!  Thanks so much!

> Linda in MN, USA

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Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 22:28:25
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 9 Jan 2001, at 15:31, Lhpelak(a)aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1/9/01 8:43:52 AM Central Standard Time, 
> fredrump(a)earthlink.net writes:
> 
> << I did post my GEDCOM to gedbase.genealogy.net which is >>
> 
> 
> Hi Fred, - the above page doesn't seem to be a valid address.  I tried
> adding www. also, but no luck.  Any ideas?

Sorry, it's http://gedbas.genealogy.net

Fred


4788 Corian Court
Naples, FL 34114
941-775-7838
FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Pelican Lake Motor Coach Resort


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 22:31:27
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Hello Werner,

Thank you very much for looking for my Menke family.  They were Lutheran, not 
Catholic, so they would not be from that area.  I had known that southern 
Deutschland was not Lutheran, but I did not know that only part of Oldenburg 
was Lutheran.  Could you tell me please about where in Oldenburg it would 
change from Lutheran to Catholic?  That would help me to eliminate areas to 
search.

Thank you very much!

Linda in Minnesota, USA



Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 22:32:30
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks very much Don - that worked!

Linda


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/09 22:54:25
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Linda,
you can find this on my Genealogy Website:

Description and History of "Oldenburger Münsterland" (Southern part of Oldenburg) by Fred Rump

"Oldenburger-Münsterland" is now mainly catholic, former only catholic.

I think it help,
Werner

> Hello Werner,

> Thank you very much for looking for my Menke family.  They were Lutheran,
> not
> Catholic, so they would not be from that area.  I had known that southern
> Deutschland was not Lutheran, but I did not know that only part of
> Oldenburg
> was Lutheran.  Could you tell me please about where in Oldenburg it would
> change from Lutheran to Catholic?  That would help me to eliminate areas
> to
> search.

> Thank you very much!

> Linda in Minnesota, USA


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Re: [OL] MENKE

Date: 2001/01/09 23:52:18
From: Thomas Wenzel <wenzel.th(a)gmx.de>

Hello,

I am a new member of this list and I saw the discussion of Menke. My
great-grandmother is Anna-Catharina Menke, born 12.Feb.1870 at Grossenmeer
and her father Gerhard Menke, born 27.Feb.1836 at Grossenmeer. Is there
anybody with these names in his family research?

Thomas



Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/10 00:30:53
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks Fred!

Linda


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/10 00:32:20
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks so much Werner!

Linda


Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/10 00:42:17
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks Werner -

I would like to look at your website - what is the URL?

Linda in MN


Re: [OL]Menke/Witte/Hanneke/Nieman

Date: 2001/01/10 01:35:52
From: Scott Witte <sjwitte(a)worldnet.att.net>

Thank you Betty.....

Aufwiederhoren

Scott Witte

Witte, Josef Friedrich, Heuermann in Hagen, 1844 Kötter in 'vor dem Moore'
*18.Nov.1787 in Füchtel/Oythe(Vechta), +4.Dec.1863
parents: Heinrich Anton Witte - Maria Katharina Lammers
- oo 4.Febr.1817 in Vechta
  Macke, Anna-Maria, widow of Johann Heinrich Stuntebeck in Hagen, oo
20.Nov.1814 Vechta
  *11.Sep.1785 in Haverbeck/Damme, +8.Jan.1869
  parents: Arend Henrich Macke - Margaretha Deters

children:
*23.Sep.1817 Henrich Anton, emigrated to Amerika 1844
*10.Jan.1820 Johann Christian
*14.Feb.1822 Johann Heinrich, +16.Oct.1822
*23.Aug.1823 Franz Heinrich
*13.Mar.1826 Anna Maria



----- Original Message -----
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 09 January, 2001 13:19
Subject: [OL]Menke/Witte/Hanneke/Nieman


In the Churchrecords from The St.Vituschurch in and from the aria
Löningen.

I have see te surnames Menke,Witte,Hanneke,Henneke verry much.
I wil try this weekend to make a global list from the surnames, and from
the places around Löningen the also used the St, Vituschurch.
I notice that when there is a loose end, a lot off you  dont think
about, or nows there is a  posiblity that mabey one off there ancestors
is baptized in Löningen.
 In between you nowe al the quality off mi english is not that wel,
 but I hope that you understand what I like to say.
greetings Betty Krull

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[OL]Is there an emigration list for Oldenburg?

Date: 2001/01/10 04:12:14
From: Glenn W Neumann <gwneumann(a)cfaith.com>

Some areas of Germany have an emigration list for that region that covers
certain years.  The LDS does not have one listed for Oldenburg.  Is there
one at the Archiv's  in Oldenburg?  If so,  has anyone used it to know what
is on it and what years it covers?
Sandi



Re: [OL]Is there an emigration list for Oldenburg?

Date: 2001/01/10 06:53:57
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 9 Jan 2001, at 22:02, Glenn  W Neumann wrote:

> Some areas of Germany have an emigration list for that region that
> covers certain years.  The LDS does not have one listed for Oldenburg.
>  Is there one at the Archiv's  in Oldenburg?  If so,  has anyone used
> it to know what is on it and what years it covers? Sandi

Something like this does not exist.

Fred


4788 Corian Court
Naples, FL 34114
941-775-7838
FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Pelican Lake Motor Coach Resort


Re: [OL]Menke/Witte/Hanneke/Nieman

Date: 2001/01/10 07:15:56
From: gram <gram(a)zianet.com>

Hi Betty, I am also researching Nieman-Niemann.So far It has led me to
my greatgrand father who was born in Cloppenburg in 1835 . I wonder if
our Niemanns are connected? Emma

Betty Krull wrote:
> 
> In the Churchrecords from The St.Vituschurch in and from the aria
> Löningen.
> 
> I have see te surnames Menke,Witte,Hanneke,Henneke verry much.
> I wil try this weekend to make a global list from the surnames, and from
> the places around Löningen the also used the St, Vituschurch.
> I notice that when there is a loose end, a lot off you  dont think
> about, or nows there is a  posiblity that mabey one off there ancestors
> is baptized in Löningen.
>  In between you nowe al the quality off mi english is not that wel,
>  but I hope that you understand what I like to say.
> greetings Betty Krull
> 
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Re: [OL]Menke/Witte/Hanneke/Nieman

Date: 2001/01/10 11:25:23
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

gram(a)zianet.com schreef:
> 
> Hi Betty, I am also researching Nieman-Niemann.So far It has led me to
> my greatgrand father who was born in Cloppenburg in 1835 . I wonder if
> our Niemanns are connected? Emma
> 
> Betty Krull wrote:
> >
> > In the Churchrecords from The St.Vituschurch in and from the aria
> > Löningen.
> >
> > I have see te surnames Menke,Witte,Hanneke,Henneke verry much.
> > I wil try this weekend to make a global list from the surnames, and from
> > the places around Löningen the also used the St, Vituschurch.
> > I notice that when there is a loose end, a lot off you  dont think
> > about, or nows there is a  posiblity that mabey one off there ancestors
> > is baptized in Löningen.
> >  In between you nowe al the quality off mi english is not that wel,
> >  but I hope that you understand what I like to say.
> > greetings Betty Krull
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Oldenburg-L mailing list
> > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
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Emma,
 I send you a privat email but it whas returnd,please mail me at
 e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl
 Betty


Re: [OL]Is there an emigration list for Oldenburg?

Date: 2001/01/10 14:26:36
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

No, there is no such list for all of Oldenburg.
For some communities in the (catholic) southern part of Oldenburg, like 
Damme, such lists have been published.
Gerold 


[OL]Menke/Meineke

Date: 2001/01/10 14:38:38
From: Kurt Clasen <k_clasen(a)hotmail.com>

Is Menke a variation of Meineke?  Or are both surnames common in Northern
Germany?

Kurt


Re: [OL]Menke/Meineke

Date: 2001/01/10 14:48:29
From: Ingrid Heine <ahnenforschung(a)ingrid-heine.de>

Hans Bahlow:Deutsches Namenlexikon(translated):
Menk(e), Menken(Hamburg often) also Menck(e): look Meineke! Compare Renke,
Renken. Menke first detected Koylenberg 1355 kassel, Henne Menken 1403
Kassel.
I hope this will help you.
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Clasen" <k_clasen(a)hotmail.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: [OL]Menke/Meineke


> Is Menke a variation of Meineke?  Or are both surnames common in Northern
> Germany?
>
> Kurt
>
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[OL]Namen der Nachkommen von Hermann Hinrich Schweer (gest. vor 1818)

Date: 2001/01/10 14:56:23
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,(in english below)
meine nette Tochter hat mir heute die Liste mit den Namen der von mir
erforschten Schweer(s) und angeheirateten Familien auf die Homepage getan.
Wer dort nachschauen möchte: www.ingrid.heine-de  Die Orte habe ich noch
nicht aufarbeiten können. Es sind dies in der Hauptsache: Zetel, Neuenburg,
Grabstede, Grabstederfeld, Bohlenberg und Bohlenbergerfeld, Driefel und
Oldenburg . Ich hoffe, in den nächsten Tagen dazu zu kommen. Der Mail-Link
funktioniert aber, falls jemand eine Frage hat . Die weiteren Daten zu den
Personen habe ich. Es handelt sich um die (hoffentlich) komplette
Nachkommenschaft in der friesischen Wehde von  Hermann Hinrich
chweer( gest.vor 1818) aus Oldendorf bei Osnabrück. Daten Lebender sind
nicht dabei. Bitte seht mir die unprofessionelle Gestaltung der Seite nach.
Ich beginne erst mit der Computerarbeit im Internet und bin schon froh, daß
ich überhaupt eine Seite fertiggebracht habe.:o)

Hallo Listers,
my nice daughter was so kind to put the list with the names of the
Schweer(s) and their families on my homepage. If you like to have a look
there: www.ingrid-heine.de  I had no time yet to give the places too. The
mainplaces are: Zetel, Neuenburg, Grabstede, Grabstederfeld, Bohlenberg,
Bohlenbergerfeld, Driefel, Oldenburg. I hope during the next days i can put
the places on too. If you have any question write an e-mail. The Link is ok.
I have dates to all these Persons. All of these are descendants of Hermann
Hinrich Schweer ( died befor 1818) from Oldendorf near Osnabrück. They all
lived in the Friesische Wehde( this is the region north of Oldenburg). Dates
of living Persons you will not find there. This is my first attempt to make
an internet side. So, please do not be too critically :o))
Ingrid



Re: [OL]Menke/Meineke

Date: 2001/01/10 15:23:13
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 10 Jan 2001, at 7:35, Kurt Clasen wrote:

> Is Menke a variation of Meineke?  Or are both surnames common in
> Northern Germany?

yes & yes

Fred
4788 Corian Court
Naples, FL 34114
941-775-7838
FredRump(a)earthlink.net
Pelican Lake Motor Coach Resort


Fw: [OL]Menke/Meineke

Date: 2001/01/10 15:44:02
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ingrid Heine" <ahnenforschung(a)ingrid-heine.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Menke/Meineke


> Hans Bahlow:Deutsches Namenlexikon(translated):
> Menk(e), Menken(Hamburg often) also Menck(e): look Meineke! Compare Renke,
> Renken. Menke first detected Koylenberg 1355 kassel, Henne Menken 1403
> Kassel.
> I hope this will help you.
> Ingrid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kurt Clasen" <k_clasen(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 2:35 PM
> Subject: [OL]Menke/Meineke
>
>
> > Is Menke a variation of Meineke?  Or are both surnames common in
Northern
> > Germany?
> >
> > Kurt
> >
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> >
>



Re: [OL]Menke/Meineke

Date: 2001/01/10 16:23:18
From: Lhpelak <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>

Thanks Ingrid

Linda


[OL]re Macke grandparent

Date: 2001/01/10 20:35:54
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

In a posting dated 1/10/01 Jean Schultz's message was passed on by Gerold
Diers:

"My grandmother, Anna Macke was born Sept. 20, 1875, in Oldenburg and came
to America in 1893, where she married my grandfather. Her parents were Anna
(Baumer) Macke and Bernard Macke."

That record is in the Damme, Oldenburg Catholic church records. (Except it
doesn't say she emmigrated in 1893.)  Volume 20, page 27. Father was Bernard
Heinrich Macke, mother was Maria Anna Bäumer. She was born by Coloni
Rüschendorf in Rüschendorf. The previous child was born in 1873, it says.
Godparents were Elisabeth Heidkamp, Maria Agnes Niehues, and Arnold Heinrich
Macke.

The previous child's record states: 1873 Nr. 88 Juli 23. 24. Macke. Maria
Anna + (died) 1875 Febr. 27.  Parents and birthplace are the same. Godparents
are: Maria Anna Linnemann, Maria Elisabeth Pohlschneider, Heinrich Ronn...
(page corner is turned up; it's possibly Ronnebaum.) The notation about the
previous birth is not legible. Vol. 20 page opposite page 5.

Nancy Pundsack

Re: [OL]Anna MENKE, born Feb 12, 1860

Date: 2001/01/10 20:42:31
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Linda,

the genealogy URL is: www.honkomp.de

then click on the top: Orte/Places

Werner



> Thanks Werner -

> I would like to look at your website - what is the URL?

> Linda in MN

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[OL]Homepage Schweer Nachkommen

Date: 2001/01/10 21:18:41
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

The right adress is www.ingrid-heine.de . I hope this will take you to a lot
of names from Persons which lived between Oldenburg and Zetel and are
related to Schweer(s)
Ingrid




Re: [OL]Homepage Schweer Nachkommen

Date: 2001/01/10 22:01:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I'm sorry, it doesn't work!



> The right adress is www.ingrid-heine.de . I hope this will take you to a
> lot
> of names from Persons which lived between Oldenburg and Zetel and are
> related to Schweer(s)
> Ingrid



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Re: [OL]Homepage Schweer Nachkommen

Date: 2001/01/10 22:12:20
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Probiers mal mit
http://www.ingrid-heine.de/style.css
Vielleicht geht das besser. Scheint Browser abhängig zu sein.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Homepage Schweer Nachkommen


> I'm sorry, it doesn't work!
>
>
>
> > The right adress is www.ingrid-heine.de . I hope this will take you to a
> > lot
> > of names from Persons which lived between Oldenburg and Zetel and are
> > related to Schweer(s)
> > Ingrid
>
>
>
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Re: [OL]Homepage Schweer Nachkommen

Date: 2001/01/10 23:04:34
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Do you remember how it was when you was a small child and tried to learn
walking? A Homepage is for a Computer -nothing-knowing-about(like me)
something like that. My dear daughter told me that you now will have success
by going to www.ingrid-heine.de . I hope it´s right.
:o)))
Ingrid
----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Homepage Schweer Nachkommen


> I'm sorry, it doesn't work!
>
>
>
> > The right adress is www.ingrid-heine.de . I hope this will take you to a
> > lot
> > of names from Persons which lived between Oldenburg and Zetel and are
> > related to Schweer(s)
> > Ingrid
>
>
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[OL]FRITZE,Carl Emile Wilhelm

Date: 2001/01/11 02:06:02
From: SecurePJ <SecurePJ(a)aol.com>

I have asked here and on other sites with no responce for help.
May/ Will someone try to assist me?
Carl has a REISE-PASS dated 18 Mai,1895. Deutches Reich at top of page. with: 
Grossherzoghum Oldenburg, No 10 des Registers,//It is signed by Carl. At the 
page bottom is:aus Osternburg.Page two shows Philadelphia in 
Nordamerilca,Oldenburg,? 18 mai 1892, Grosshenoglich Oldenburg and ?

Born Feburary 21,1847,fresick,Germany.
I believe this document is his permission to come to America.

I would like help in searching his family of past. Thank You.  PJ MATHON


Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/11 03:20:01
From: Glenn W Neumann <gwneumann(a)cfaith.com>

Hi
My last name is Neumann but the Neumann's  that are part of my husbands
family are from near the Danish border.  I do not know of any from around
Oldenburg.  If you see any Tieste Freese or Peper in your searches let me
know if you would.  I would be most grateful.
Thanks Sandi
----- Original Message -----
From: <gram(a)zianet.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg


> Hi Sandi,My grandfather  Anton NIEMANN  was born in Oldenburg,  I
> wonder if  your  Surname Neumann   is   one  of  the  names that had its
> spelling  chanaged  ? My Anton  was catholic  and  I  am  checking  the
> LDS  film  for St  Andreas  RC.  I  wonder if  there is a simular film
> for the Luthern church ?   Maybe someone on the Oldenburg list will know
> ?  Emma   <gram(a)zianet.com>
>
> Glenn W Neumann wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > All of the children by Friederike's second marriage Hugo, Minnie, Max
were
> > born in Oldenburg.  The first marriage children Amalie, Johanna and
Julianne
> > Tieste, I don't know where they were born.  I can't find the marriage
record
> > for either marriage..  I will order the film you mentioned and see if
> > anything pops up Thanks for the info.
> > I have written to the archive but they do not respond.  Is this a common
> > problem with Oldenburg Archiv?.  Is there any other source like trying
to
> > find the lutheran church yourself and writing to them directly?  I
wouldn't
> > know where to begin.
> >
> > Sandi
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>
> > To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg
> >
> > > Hi Sandi
> > >
> > > Although I don't have any of your names in my family research, when I
was
> > > looking at the FHL microfilms for Otterstedt, near Bremen, which was
in
> > > Hannover, not Oldenburg,  the records did have Peper and Freese in
them,
> > but
> > > not tieste or Bohn that I remember.  The microfilm was #1189529,
covering
> > the
> > > years 1823-1852.
> > >
> > > Are you sure it was in Oldenburg?
> > >
> > > Linda in MN
> > >
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Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/11 03:35:16
From: gram <gram(a)zianet.com>

Will keep my eye out !,God Bless,Emma

Glenn W Neumann wrote:
> 
> Hi
> My last name is Neumann but the Neumann's  that are part of my husbands
> family are from near the Danish border.  I do not know of any from around
> Oldenburg.  If you see any Tieste Freese or Peper in your searches let me
> know if you would.  I would be most grateful.
> Thanks Sandi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gram(a)zianet.com>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg
> 
> > Hi Sandi,My grandfather  Anton NIEMANN  was born in Oldenburg,  I
> > wonder if  your  Surname Neumann   is   one  of  the  names that had its
> > spelling  chanaged  ? My Anton  was catholic  and  I  am  checking  the
> > LDS  film  for St  Andreas  RC.  I  wonder if  there is a simular film
> > for the Luthern church ?   Maybe someone on the Oldenburg list will know
> > ?  Emma   <gram(a)zianet.com>
> >
> > Glenn W Neumann wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > > All of the children by Friederike's second marriage Hugo, Minnie, Max
> were
> > > born in Oldenburg.  The first marriage children Amalie, Johanna and
> Julianne
> > > Tieste, I don't know where they were born.  I can't find the marriage
> record
> > > for either marriage..  I will order the film you mentioned and see if
> > > anything pops up Thanks for the info.
> > > I have written to the archive but they do not respond.  Is this a common
> > > problem with Oldenburg Archiv?.  Is there any other source like trying
> to
> > > find the lutheran church yourself and writing to them directly?  I
> wouldn't
> > > know where to begin.
> > >
> > > Sandi
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Lhpelak(a)aol.com>
> > > To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:18 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [OL]FREESE , TIESTE. PEPER <1840-1890> Oldenburg
> > >
> > > > Hi Sandi
> > > >
> > > > Although I don't have any of your names in my family research, when I
> was
> > > > looking at the FHL microfilms for Otterstedt, near Bremen, which was
> in
> > > > Hannover, not Oldenburg,  the records did have Peper and Freese in
> them,
> > > but
> > > > not tieste or Bohn that I remember.  The microfilm was #1189529,
> covering
> > > the
> > > > years 1823-1852.
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure it was in Oldenburg?
> > > >
> > > > Linda in MN
> > > >
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[OL]Nieman

Date: 2001/01/11 11:12:08
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

 Hi Emma,
 Your mail was comming back again,but what I try to tel you is that I
self have one Nieman, Lucka Nieman married Lampe Berent Crull in 1669.
 from the beginning off the Churchrecords 1644 there are Nieman,s in
Löningen.
 There is a Marco Nieman he colect Niemans, he has on his homepage  a
Nieman newsgroup, mabey its somting  for you.
 The adres is http://www.seitenlang.de/marco
greeting Betty


RE: [OL] MENKE

Date: 2001/01/11 15:49:50
From: Kortenkamp, Daniel <dkortenk(a)uwsp.edu>

I also have MENKE in my database -- associated with the names SCHLIEKELMANN
and OLBERDING, in Cincinnati and Covington, KY, during the 1840s and 50s.  I
have also seen the name spelled MÖNKE, MOENKE, and MEMKE.  I do not know
where MENKE or OLBERDING came from in Germany.  My SCHLIEKELMANN ancestors
came from Mettingen, Westphalia.

Daniel 
Stevens Point, WI 54481 
http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dk/danielpg.htm 



[OL]Bitte lesen/please read

Date: 2001/01/11 18:54:15
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

At the bottom of this message you'll find what I often get which 
generated this message of explanation. Please save this message 
for future reference.

Unten am Ende steht eine message und warum ich diese mail hier 
schreibe. Heben Sie bitte diese Mail auf so das sie die Information 
später benutzen können.

There is constant confusion as to subscribing, unsubscribing, 
changing one's email address, changing from daily mail to digest 
mail, having several addresses and other bounced mail problems. 
It takes me well over an hour each and every day just to deal with 
the various list maintenance problems on my various lists

Ich sehe tägliche Irrwege wenn es mit meinen verschiedenen Listen 
zu tun hat. Es ist egal ob man sich an oder abmelden, seine 
Emailadresse ändern möchte, oder wenn man andere Probleme 
mit dem posten hat. Hier also noch mal eine Erklärung um mir 
etwas tägliche Zeit zu sparen. 

First of all none of the genealogy.net lists are set up to use HTML or 
binary email transmissions. All such messages bounce to the 
listowner who can then post themn as non-binary lists or at least 
review the data before releasing it. This is designed to keep 
viruses out of your mail box. 

Second, all mail sent to the lists which are not recognized as being 
from a subscribed user, no matter how small the difference, will 
also bounce to the listowner. I will approve typical genealogical 
posts assuming that the sender is simply posting from another 
address but reading his mail under his original subscription 
address. I've given up on checking this out. If the sender is not 
subscribed elsewhere, he will not see his own message nor any 
responses to it. Such is life.  

Thirdly and just for your information, there is an awful lot of junk mail 
which is sent to the lists and which needs to be deleted in a rather 
timeconsuming process each and every day or even several times 
each day. Recently there has been a veritable attack of virus posts 
about the 7 dwarfs etc which probably come from some of your 
computers because the list address was found there. Please try to 
protect yourself and the rest of the world by using virus protection 
software. You don't see these posts but I do and quite frankly they 
are getting to me. Don Meyer has been so kind as to handle the 
Oldenburg list traffic for me for the last few months. He's not 
complained so I've let him ride with it. :-)

Now for some hints. If you have several addresses to post from, you 
should subscribe to all of them but then go back into each 
subscription and modify it to suit your purpose. In other words keep 
one open so that all mail will reach that address while the others 
should be set to either digest or non-mail format. You can 'fix' all of 
this by using the following example URL:

http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/options-
e/listname/youremailaddress(a)somedomain

Obviously the above needs to be modified to suit your particular 
email list and address. The -e after options stands for the English 
list maintenance. Leavit out and you would have something like this:

http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/options/Franken-
L/user(a)domain.net

To subscribe or unsubscribe simply send that word to the list name 
followed by -request(a)genealogy.net. It's really very simple.

And should you be getting bounces back with an error of something 
like a suspicious header, you are most probably not sending proper 
text data to the list. Check your mailer to make sure that all your 
messages go out as text only. 

I hope I don't have to translate all of this into German but will do so if 
needed.

Ich hoffe das ich das obige ncht alles übersetzen muß. Sollte aber 
jemand von haus und Hof nichts verstehen, werde ich es wohl 
machen müssen. Bitte danach fragen.

Fred

 




 
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Re: [OL]Homepage Schweer Nachkommen

Date: 2001/01/11 19:15:27
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Ok, jetzt konnte ich die Homepage aufrufen. Ich mußte einen Parameter ändern, da ungewöhlicherweise die Endung nicht .html.

Werner

> Do you remember how it was when you was a small child and tried to learn
> walking? A Homepage is for a Computer -nothing-knowing-about(like me)
> something like that. My dear daughter told me that you now will have
> success
> by going to www.ingrid-heine.de . I hope it´s right.
> :o)))
> Ingrid
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [OL]Homepage Schweer Nachkommen


>> I'm sorry, it doesn't work!
>>
>>
>>
>> > The right adress is www.ingrid-heine.de . I hope this will take you to
>> > a
>> > lot
>> > of names from Persons which lived between Oldenburg and Zetel and are
>> > related to Schweer(s)
>> > Ingrid
>>
>>
>>
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
>>
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Re: [OL]FRITZE,Carl Emile Wilhelm

Date: 2001/01/11 19:15:27
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Osternburg is a part of the Oldenburg City.

Werner


> I have asked here and on other sites with no responce for help.
> May/ Will someone try to assist me?
> Carl has a REISE-PASS dated 18 Mai,1895. Deutches Reich at top of page.
> with:
> Grossherzoghum Oldenburg, No 10 des Registers,//It is signed by Carl. At
> the
> page bottom is:aus Osternburg.Page two shows Philadelphia in
> Nordamerilca,Oldenburg,? 18 mai 1892, Grosshenoglich Oldenburg and ?

> Born Feburary 21,1847,fresick,Germany.
> I believe this document is his permission to come to America.

> I would like help in searching his family of past. Thank You.  PJ MATHON

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Re: [OL]FRITZE,Carl Emile Wilhelm

Date: 2001/01/11 19:40:21
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

An Werner Honkomp,
ich habe die ursprüngliche Nachricht nicht gesehen.
In Osternburg könnte ich schon mal nachsehen. Wie ist die e-mail Adresse des 
Nachfragenden ?
Gerold 


[OL]Macke, Witte

Date: 2001/01/11 20:00:46
From: Scott Witte <sjwitte(a)worldnet.att.net>

Anna Maria Macke is my ggggg Grandmother. Born in Haverbeck/Damme, 11 Sep 1785.
 
 
additional records from Vechta church register:
 
oo 20.Nov.1814, Stuntebeck Henrich, from Hagen, Tagelöhner(laborer),
                Parents: Henrich Stuntebeck - Anna Maria Serhusen (maybe Zerhusen)
   Macke Anna Maria, from Haverbeck/Damme, *11.Sep.1785 Damme
   Parents: Arend Henrich Macke - Margaretha Deters
 
oo 04.Feb.1817, Witte Friedrich Joseph, Füchtel/Othe(Vechta)
                Parents: Henrich Anton Witte - Maria Cathr. Lammers
   Macke Anna Maria, vidua Johan Henrich Stuntebeck from Hagen
 
*23.Sep.1817 Vechta, Henrich Anton Witte
Parents: Joseph Friedrich Witte - Anna Maria Macke
Godparents: Henrich Anton Witte - Elisabeth Pund nee Macke
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, 10 January, 2001 12:31
Subject: [OL]re Macke grandparent

In a posting dated 1/10/01 Jean Schultz's message was passed on by Gerold
Diers:

"My grandmother, Anna Macke was born Sept. 20, 1875, in Oldenburg and came
to America in 1893, where she married my grandfather. Her parents were Anna
(Baumer) Macke and Bernard Macke."

That record is in the Damme, Oldenburg Catholic church records. (Except it
doesn't say she emmigrated in 1893.)  Volume 20, page 27. Father was Bernard
Heinrich Macke, mother was Maria Anna Bäumer. She was born by Coloni
Rüschendorf in Rüschendorf. The previous child was born in 1873, it says.
Godparents were Elisabeth Heidkamp, Maria Agnes Niehues, and Arnold Heinrich
Macke.

The previous child's record states: 1873 Nr. 88 Juli 23. 24. Macke. Maria
Anna + (died) 1875 Febr. 27.  Parents and birthplace are the same. Godparents
are: Maria Anna Linnemann, Maria Elisabeth Pohlschneider, Heinrich Ronn...
(page corner is turned up; it's possibly Ronnebaum.) The notation about the
previous birth is not legible. Vol. 20 page opposite page 5.

Nancy Pundsack

Re: [OL]FRITZE,Carl Emile Wilhelm

Date: 2001/01/12 21:59:48
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

Does anyone know where Sellnow, Germany is.  I can't find it on the web.
I have no idea what part of Ger. it might be... A friend asked me to check...

Josie
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Re: [OL]FRITZE,Carl Emile Wilhelm

Date: 2001/01/12 23:19:47
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker
Do you know this adress? here you will find the most places of Germany.
Perhaps Asellnow too.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid



[OL]Reaction

Date: 2001/01/13 00:51:41
From: Willem Schewe <bums(a)wanadoo.nl>

My name is Willem J. Schewe and I live in The Netherlands not far from Rotterdam. I found out my ancisters came from Osnabrück to Schiedam in 1763. My great/great grandfather was called heinrich Schewe and he started working in Schiedam and married Margaretha Dries. Out of that marriage the first Willebrordus Johannes Schewe was born. The same name as I still carry. My idea is that you 'd better look in the baptise registers of the roman catholic church in Osnabrück, which is not very far from Dinklage
With kind regard
Willem J. Schewe

[OL](Fwd) [compgend-L] Formatierte E-Mails

Date: 2001/01/13 02:00:09
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

Für die deutschen Leser.
Fred

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       "Nachrichten in reinen Text konvertieren"
      Oder alternativ: 
       "Abfrage, was mit Nachrichten mit HTML-Formatierung geschehen
       soll, ansonsten reinen Text senden"

In Bremen halte ich zur Zeit gerade wieder einen VHS-Kurs:
"Internet fuer Familienforscher" und obiger Tip wird von mir gleich
ganz am Anfang beim Thema E-Mail den Teilnehmern "eingeimpft!". Aus
mehreren Gruenden ist dies sehr wichtig und sollte unbedingt beherzigt
werden:

a) erspart Ihr uns als Listenadministratoren Arbeit
b) erspart Ihr Euch (wenn Ihr auch einmal in anderen 
   Mailinglisten teilnehmen wollt) Aerger und dumme Kommentare
c) erspart Ihr Euch und den Empfaengern der Mails Kosten
   (wie oben gesagt, ist eine HTML-Mail mehr als doppelt so gross 
    vom Datenvolumen her!)

Also, frisch heran an die E-Mailprogramme und gleich einmal die
Einstellungen geaendert!

Uebrigens: in der naechsten Ausgabe des Computergenealogie-
Newsletters (erscheint auch in der ersten Printversion) schreibt
Birgit Wendt auch einen Beitrag: "zum richtigen Umgang mit 
Mailinglisten". Sehr lesenswert mit vielen Tips und Anregungen.

Ein Beitrag von mir (auf der Homepage der Maus) der auf diese Liste
fast 1 zu 1 uebertragen werden kann (ersetzt nur immer "Maus-L" durch
"CompGenD-L") ist zu finden unter:
http://maus.genealogy.net/maillist.htm

Gruss,
Peter

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[OL]Nuttelm ?

Date: 2001/01/13 02:59:32
From: gram <gram(a)zianet.com>

On a LDS film I found my Great grandfather's Baptisum  And also his
father and Mother. Wonderful! But under my g -grandfathers name was the
word  "Nuttelm" Could this be a village near Cloppenburg ? I thought he
was born in Cloppenburg and this is a film of the Cloppenburg churches
etc.I could not find it as a word in my dictionary. Any idears
appreciated,Thanks and god bless.
Emma Niemann   <gram(a)zianet.com>


Re: [OL]Nuttelm ?

Date: 2001/01/13 09:41:48
From: Bebloemer <Bebloemer(a)aol.com>

In einer eMail vom 13.01.01 02:58:46 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt 
gram(a)zianet.com:

> But under my g -grandfathers name was the
>  word  "Nuttelm" Could this be a village near Cloppenburg ?

Hello Emma,

this word must be Nutteln and is a village south of Cloppenburg.

greetings
Bernd


[OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/13 16:00:45
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

The following places belong to the parish off Löningen,
Alten-Bunnen (Bonnen), Neue Bunnen (Bonnen) Brokstreek (Brochstrich)
with Bokah, Farwick and Hagel.

Ehren with Winkhof and Wiennöbst,Angelbeck,
Schnetlage,Huckelrieden,Winkum with Holrah and Röpke(Röbke).

Elbergen, Borckhorn,Werve,Helmigshausen,Evenkamp,Düenkamp and
Lewingshausen.
Boën,Lodbergen with Holthausen,Benstrup with Madlage Matlage) and
Wachtum.
Than for a large part the names:
Abeler,ahrens,albers,alberts,

Bauer,beenken,beckebrede,benken,behnen,berges,bokah,bock,brincker(s),
brumerkampff,borgmann,brockmuhle,böker,brummer,bruns,büdeken,butter,
bürken,böselage,bathe,brake,brandt,brandsmann,bruggemann,bruggeen,bünten,
buttels,bürlage.buscher

Cassius,cloppenburg,cone,colve,corthagen,chramer,crahmer,craas,crull,
cobold,cordes,corte,cruenberg,cruse.

Darlin,derlage,deben,deters,dieckman,dinklage,doën,drees,drus.dreustel,drepper,dünstorf,

Eickel,eck,ecken,eickhus,eilers,elsken,eidersmann,eissman,esselman,
elsman,eckholt,elerkamp,elerlage.

Farwick,farenholt,fathmann,felthüs,feltmann,felthausen,finck,fleiming,
flemming,fischer,fisker
finkler,fette,feijen,flint,framme,freericks,freers,frontlage,freijer,freenhuits,fristmann.

Gasker,,geileker,gerling,geerling,gill,gies,gieske,gil,gilse,glassmacher,göddecke,gosebalk,gosp,gösling,grohmuhl,
grünberg,grönloh,genss,gerssen,glöe,groleng,gravenholt,grote,grömher,
grüss,grüssing,güllerman,gutknecht

Haacke,hackmann,halen,hanneke,hackwessel,hakewesel,henrichs,hegger,hemmen,heimbrook,hengemuhle,henken,hemmel,herbst,hermsen,hemmes,hillen,
henkenborg,hollrae,hollrah,holla,hollae,hollah,holling,holken,holtsen,
holters,höltzen,holt,holtrobke,holtgerd,holtdirk,holthinrichs,holtwessel,hokamp,holtkamp,holtmann,hüls,hunge,hugo,hüslage.huskel

Imbusch,

Jantzen,janssens,joest,

Karrebrock,karrebroek,kramer,kapers,kamjur,käter,kerssen,kerstiens,kenter,kienhuis,kirchner
h(k)oltzkluwer,kliver,kolveknoop,knobben,knoben,koch,kockkoopman,koopmeijer,küpers,kuypersklaphacke,kantjen,klath,klunderkumpe,kuner,knip,korbleut
kool,kramper,kolberge,kolve,korff,krumpelfort,krull,kuicken,külken.

Lagemann,lampen,langhorst,lantze,lehmkuhle,lethman,lantzin,leker,leiber,
livermann,lotten,vonloxten,lübben,lubbejans,lübken,lubbers,lucas,lücken,
lullman,lutwigers,luntz
lutzenborg,

Maas,matlage,mantlage,marcus,margwint,meierink,meijborg,menke,meijfeld,
meier,meijerratken,meierkens,middendorf,meerdorff,metten,mettmann,möller
mölhmann,moormann,münsbrock,munzebroek,

Naske,nagelschmidts,neken,nienaber,niethues,nolte,nipper,nietmann,
nesslage,neteler,nieman.

Oelbrand,oldebrand,orthland,orthüs,ortman,otten,ottens,ostindiër.osing.

Pahls,pelster,pick,pieper,pigge,plate,pooken,pokah,pöker,poet,polt,post,püpp,
purk,püster,pots,pohls,pogge.

Rarr,ratken,rave,remmers,rempken,reikers,ridders,ritters,rieman,robbers,
robbemenke,röbke,rode,rohen,rohde,rolffs,rosing,rotholt,rosemann,roenkamp
rosemeijer,rump, rülker,rühlander,ruve,ruwe.

sander,santker,serges,sickman,sieckman,sievers,sieverding,sieverling,
sprenker,spoker,stachel,stachholt,stagge,stabers,steinmersch,stenfer,steingraver,stellenpohl,stratmann,stohlmann,stümborg,stürwoldt,steurke,strop,stübehaus,sunkerschake,schewe,schlagge,schlange,scheper,schlingmann,
schnetlage,schmelker,schneker,schöning,schrandt,schauve,schmidts,schlechtmann,schnellenborg,schwartz,schmering,stumpke

Tabben,tabelink,tees,teepen,teeker,thaler,thiessen,thies,tholen,theweis,
thorborch,tinnerman.timmerman,tieman,többen,többerman,tölken,torbeck.

Vagt,vagedes,vaitmann,vathman,vangstmann,vahle,varding,venneman,verlage,
vögel,völler,vanderbeek,vossbeek,vorwold.

Wath,wanstroff,wanthorst,wehmann,wehmer,werff,weissing,weermann,wessels,westiens,westendorf,wemer,westerhoff,wilberding,wester,westrup,wiechman,
wieman.willen,willoh,wilken,wiennöbst,wierken,wingbermuhle,winkler,
winnickhof,windhaus,winnemöhlerwischer,wobben,wolters,wolterman,wolting,
wöste,wörsman,wübbels,wübke,wülff.

Zuhause,zümbrock,zümbulte,zumdieck,zürlage


I,m sure this are not all the names, but its a large part.
greetings Betty Krull


Re: [OL]Nuttelm ?

Date: 2001/01/13 17:14:45
From: gram <gram(a)zianet.com>

Thank you & God Bless my friend,Emma

Bebloemer(a)aol.com wrote:
> 
> In einer eMail vom 13.01.01 02:58:46 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt
> gram(a)zianet.com:
> 
> > But under my g -grandfathers name was the
> >  word  "Nuttelm" Could this be a village near Cloppenburg ?
> 
> Hello Emma,
> 
> this word must be Nutteln and is a village south of Cloppenburg.
> 
> greetings
> Bernd
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Re: [OL]FRITZE,Carl Emile Wilhelm

Date: 2001/01/13 17:44:18
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Sellnow is not present in Germany. 
Names like this are:
- Sellnrod as a part of the community Mücke, easterly of Giessen
- Selmnau as a part of Kreesbron on Bodensee southern of Germany
- Selow in Güstrow county, south of Rostock

Werner
> Does anyone know where Sellnow, Germany is.  I can't find it on the web.
> I have no idea what part of Ger. it might be...  A friend asked me to
> check...

> Josie
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Re: [OL]Nuttelm ?

Date: 2001/01/13 20:05:55
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Yes, Nutteln is a little village, part of the parish of Krapendorf (now 
Cloppenburg).
By the way, there are 2 more villages with this name in the Oldenburg region, 
but they are in lutheran areas. 
Gerold Diers


Re: [OL]FRITZE,Carl Emile Wilhelm

Date: 2001/01/13 20:09:03
From: Uwe Fangmann <uwe.fangmann(a)nwn.de>

> Does anyone know where Sellnow, Germany is.  I can't find it on the web.

Hi Josie

please check the correct name. I know two little towns:

1. Selow northwest of Rostock

2. Seelow east of Berlin

Good luck

Uwe Fangmann





Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 01:20:43
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 13 Jan 2001, at 15:56, Betty Krull wrote:

> The following places belong to the parish off Löningen,
> Alten-Bunnen (Bonnen), Neue Bunnen (Bonnen) Brokstreek (Brochstrich)
> with Bokah, Farwick and Hagel.

Brokstreek is also part of the Essen parish but where did you get 
those names in ()? 
> 
> Ehren with Winkhof and Wiennöbst,Angelbeck,
> Schnetlage,Huckelrieden,Winkum with Holrah and Röpke(Röbke).
> 
Shouldn't that be Hollah? 

> Abeler,ahrens,albers,alberts,

etc

Seems like you are related to everyone around Löningen. :-) That's 
a hell of a list. 

Fred


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[OL]Re: [HN] AOL 6.0

Date: 2001/01/14 01:51:43
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 13 Jan 2001, at 10:41, FDavidJ(a)aol.com wrote:

> I have AOL 6.0 and all my requests are rejected for reasons I do not
> understand. FRank Jurenka
> 

Does anybody here use AOL 6.0 without problems?
The software seems to force segmented html upon the user and 
genealogy.net routinely rejects such mail.


Fred


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Re: [OL]Nuttelm ?

Date: 2001/01/14 05:37:24
From: gram <gram(a)zianet.com>

 Thank you Gerald,I really appreicate the info,God Bless,Emma

GDiers9488(a)aol.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, Nutteln is a little village, part of the parish of Krapendorf (now
> Cloppenburg).
> By the way, there are 2 more villages with this name in the Oldenburg region,
> but they are in lutheran areas.
> Gerold Diers
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Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 11:02:43
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

"W. Fred Rump" schreef:
> 
> On 13 Jan 2001, at 15:56, Betty Krull wrote:
> 
> > The following places belong to the parish off Löningen,
> > Alten-Bunnen (Bonnen), Neue Bunnen (Bonnen) Brokstreek (Brochstrich)
> > with Bokah, Farwick and Hagel.
> 
> Brokstreek is also part of the Essen parish but where did you get
> those names in ()?
> >
> > Ehren with Winkhof and Wiennöbst,Angelbeck,
> > Schnetlage,Huckelrieden,Winkum with Holrah and Röpke(Röbke).
> >
> Shouldn't that be Hollah?
> 
> > Abeler,ahrens,albers,alberts,
> 
> etc
> 
> Seems like you are related to everyone around Löningen. :-) That's
> a hell of a list.
> 
> Fred
> 
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Hello Fred,
 And no I.am not relatet to all thoos people.
There whas  ones a possibility  to make a (small) index from
familynames  off the parish.
 Yes the Brochstrich is a aria between Löningen and Essen.
 And that is exactly the hot item, it can happend that a family
 married in Löningen, they baptized the children in Essen.
 And on the end the burial is again in Löningen.
 Or two children in Löningen and the rest of them in Essen.
 Thats the reason, that when people, need to look in Löningen to
 and wy I have be sending the list.
 There also alot of Rumps in Löningen to,but I think that you now that!

And it is Hollah, there is a "bauerschaft" Hollrah to.

When you look on your map Hollrah is under Löningen on the left and
Hollah on the rigt side.
 Greetings Betty


Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 15:02:45
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 14 Jan 2001, at 10:58, Betty Krull wrote:

> And it is Hollah, there is a "bauerschaft" Hollrah to.
> 
> When you look on your map Hollrah is under Löningen on the left and
> Hollah on the rigt side.

I'm in correspondence with a Hollah who's from that ancient farm in 
that Bauerschaft. He pointed out to me that there even was a 
Bauerschaft called Rump after that old farmstead. I guess most of 
those Bauerschaften started with one large farm and as it 
subdivided a group of farms developed but this must have been 
way back when. 

Anyway these Holla... places were probably trying to spell Holland 
anyway and couldn't quite make it. :-)  

Fred


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Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 15:50:30
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

"W. Fred Rump" schreef:
> 
> On 14 Jan 2001, at 10:58, Betty Krull wrote:
> 
> > And it is Hollah, there is a "bauerschaft" Hollrah to.
> >
> > When you look on your map Hollrah is under Löningen on the left and
> > Hollah on the rigt side.
> 
> I'm in correspondence with a Hollah who's from that ancient farm in
> that Bauerschaft. He pointed out to me that there even was a
> Bauerschaft called Rump after that old farmstead. I guess most of
> those Bauerschaften started with one large farm and as it
> subdivided a group of farms developed but this must have been
> way back when.
> 
> Anyway these Holla... places were probably trying to spell Holland
> anyway and couldn't quite make it. :-)
> 
> Fred
> 
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Fred,
Do you talking about Ansgar Hollah from Berlin?

From the verry beginning off the churchrecords there are Hollah,s and
Hollrah,s

greetings Betty


Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 16:09:31
From: GermDfish <GermDfish(a)aol.com>

Betty,
 I have been researching the Loeningen church books for many years and there
are some important family names that you might want to add to your list.  
  Schulte  from Winkum, Ennemann/Endemann from Ehren,
Brune/Brundirks/Brundiers and Brunclaus from Ehren,  Schleper from
Elbergen/Elberg.  As you know some of these names have changed spellings over
the centuries, or came to the area in the 1700's.  With the exception of
Schleper, all the other family names were in the Loeningen area since the
1400's and earlier.

Fred, your Email came as I was writing this and I would like to address the
Hollrah issue.  The name was also written as Holraa ,Holrah, halre,halra and
alra    From Burkhard Stuermer and Alfred Benken who wrote in the book ,700
Jahre Winkum. the farm goes back in the the 12th century in the village of
Winkum and as you see above , written many ways.  After 1321 the farm was
divided into 2 parts and the owners were Bernd to Holrah and Hanneke to
Holrah . They were listed in the 1473 cencus as Bernd to Holra and Hanneke to
Holra, and in the 1651 cencus the owners were Wilkinus zu Hollrahe and Helena
zu Hollrahe.  As time goes on the names of the owners change as the farm is
handed down to its inheritors  and that is where the fun comes in, in trying
to connect to them.
                                           Patti

Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 17:22:35
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Fred, kannst Du mir bitte noch einmal schicken, was in Hannover
nachgesehen werden soll? ich habe am Dienstag dort einen Termin.
Liebe Grüße
Ingrid



Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 18:06:45
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 14 Jan 2001, at 10:06, GermDfish(a)aol.com wrote:

> Brune/Brundirks/Brundiers and Brunclaus from Ehren,  

One of my wife's cousins is a Brundiers. She is a Behne and 
married Gerhard Brundiers in 1965. They live in Garen/Lindern 
where he was born. I know nothing about his parents and did not 
really ask as that would be too far from the genealogical track. But 
he must be part of the above family.

Fred


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Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 18:17:11
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 14 Jan 2001, at 15:45, Betty Krull wrote:

> Do you talking about Ansgar Hollah from Berlin?

Yes, that's the guy. 

Fred

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Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/14 18:17:19
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 14 Jan 2001, at 17:00, Ingrid Heine wrote:

> Hallo Fred, kannst Du mir bitte noch einmal schicken, was in Hannover
> nachgesehen werden soll? ich habe am Dienstag dort einen Termin. Liebe
> Grüße Ingrid

Davon weiß ich nichts. Hatte ich etwas von dort verlangt? Das muß 
wohl jemand anders gewesen sein. Oder ich verliere mein 
Gedáchnis ganz und gar. 

Fred



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Re: [OL]Re: [HN] AOL 6.0

Date: 2001/01/14 21:00:16
From: TedSned <TedSned(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 01/13/2001 7:51:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fredrump(a)earthlink.net writes:


Does anybody here use AOL 6.0 without problems?
The software seems to force segmented html upon the user and
genealogy.net routinely rejects such mail.




Fred,

I use AOL 6.0.  Let's see how this comes through.  I had one small problem a
few weeks ago with a post to a Rootsweb list.  Rootsweb rejected it because
it was in HTML, but then it accepted later posts ok.  I tried to find out
from AOL whether there was any way to turn off the HTML, and was told that
there was no way.  

Regards,
Ted Snediker

Re: [OL]Re: [HN] AOL 6.0

Date: 2001/01/15 15:38:53
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 14 Jan 2001, at 14:57, TedSned(a)aol.com wrote:

> 
> I use AOL 6.0.  Let's see how this comes through.  I had one small
> problem a few weeks ago with a post to a Rootsweb list.  Rootsweb
> rejected it because it was in HTML, but then it accepted later posts
> ok.  I tried to find out from AOL whether there was any way to turn
> off the HTML, and was told that there was no way.  
> 

This post was also rejected and reposted by the list manager to 
force it through. As far as I can determine 6.0 simply does not 
permit simple text mail. It alsways does it's HTML thing and is not 
suitable for these lists.

Fred


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[OL]Re: Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/15 15:43:30
From: UrAhne1 <UrAhne1(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 1/15/2001 5:02:56 AM Central Standard Time, 
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:

<< Subject: Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen >>

Attention of Betty Krull

Have you found the name Hohenhörst or Strüving in the church records of 
Löningen?  I believe my grandfather Strüving gt Hohenhörst died in Löningen 
(1920's) and although he was born in Bünne there are Strüvings in the area 
who are related.  Thank you.

Marcy Isenhart
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Re: [OL]Re: Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/15 16:04:16
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

UrAhne1(a)aol.com schreef:
> 
> In a message dated 1/15/2001 5:02:56 AM Central Standard Time,
> oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:
> 
> << Subject: Re: [OL]Kirchspiel/Parish Loeningen >>
> 
> Attention of Betty Krull
> 
> Have you found the name Hohenhörst or Strüving in the church records of
> Löningen?  I believe my grandfather Strüving gt Hohenhörst died in Löningen
> (1920's) and although he was born in Bünne there are Strüvings in the area
> who are related.  Thank you.
> 
> Marcy Isenhart
> UrAhne1(a)aol.com
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Hi Marcy,
 Do you nowe the age by his dead?or marridge the batized records are til
1875
 greetings Betty


[OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/15 17:17:57
From: Fritz Buentemeyer <Fritz.Buentemeyer(a)t-online.de>

Einer meiner Vorfahren starb als Matrose der XV "Equipage de flotille" in
Caen im Hospital (1813). Wer kann mir hier weiterhelfen?
Wie kam ein Hausmann dazu, als Matrose bei Napoleon zu dienen?
Wo liegt Caen?
Wo finde ich Informationen über die XV "Equipage de flotille"?

Ich bin dankbar für jeden Tipp

Fritz Büntemeyer
mailto:Fritz.Buentemeyer(a)t-online.de
http://home.t-online.de/home/Fritz.Buentemeyer




Re: [OL]Re: [HN] AOL 6.0

Date: 2001/01/15 17:52:28
From: TedSned <TedSned(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 01/15/2001 9:38:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fredrump(a)earthlink.net writes:


This post was also rejected and reposted by the list manager to
force it through. As far as I can determine 6.0 simply does not
permit simple text mail. It alsways does it's HTML thing and is not
suitable for these lists.



Fred,

Yes, I got a robot reply from genealogy.net alerting me to the "suspicious"
nature of my post.

You're quite right.  AOL 6.0 is HTML only.  There is no option for turning it
off, and I have that directly from the AOL techies.  I don't often post to
the OL list, and I can't recall if I have tried sending anything since
installing 6.0, but in any case this is the first time I have had a problem
with genealogy.net.

I know that hosts for these mail lists discourage HTML posts for what, to
them, are good reasons.  I do think, however, that these hosts need to come
to grips with the fact that, like it or not, AOL is the 800-pound gorilla of
the Internet, and find a way to accommodate it.  They might want to consult
with Rootsweb, which has evidently discovered a reasonable way to deal with
HTML posts. The only alternative I can think of is for them to get up on
their hind legs and pitch a fit to Steve Case & Co (aka AOL Time Warner).  

Personally, I have no great enthusiasm for the HTML mode.  I'm not into the
cutesy stuff that it lets you do, and couldn't care less if it went away
tomorrow.  

Regards,
Ted Snediker

Re: [OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/15 18:10:14
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Caen liegt in der Normandie, nicht weit von der Nordseeküste.
Werner

> Einer meiner Vorfahren starb als Matrose der XV "Equipage de flotille" in
> Caen im Hospital (1813). Wer kann mir hier weiterhelfen?
> Wie kam ein Hausmann dazu, als Matrose bei Napoleon zu dienen?
> Wo liegt Caen?
> Wo finde ich Informationen über die XV "Equipage de flotille"?

> Ich bin dankbar für jeden Tipp

> Fritz Büntemeyer
> mailto:Fritz.Buentemeyer(a)t-online.de
> http://home.t-online.de/home/Fritz.Buentemeyer



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[OL]TIMMEN

Date: 2001/01/15 18:25:26
From: gram <gram(a)zianet.com>

In addition to  NIEMANN  I  am also looking for TIMMEN  in the  
Nutteln,  Cloppenburg,  Oldenburg, Niedersachsen    area of Germany. 
Emma Niemann Bansleben <gram(a)zianet.com>

In Germany looking for : GLAESSGEN ,NIEMANN ,RHINEHARDS ,BAUMANN'S
MILLER'S, HOFFMANN'S  who emmigrated to Brooklyn,NY ,from 1850 on .

In Alsace looking for: GLAESSGEN Emmigrated as above.

In Bavaria looking for: PETER MILLER  & KUNIGUNDA HOFFMANN (b 1805)

In Sicily looking for: SIDOTI , PECORA, BUFUMO ,ROTTINO ,MESSINA ,
Messina & Enna Area.


Re: [OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/15 19:28:36
From: Dr.Josef Maehlmann <maehlmann(a)nwn.de>

Lieber Fritz,

sieh einmal auf die Landkarte und du wirst die wunderschöne Stadt Caen
in Frankreich zwischen Normandie und Bretagne finden.

1813 gehörte unsere Gegend noch zum napoleonischen Reich und dein Urahn
wird  wohl bei der Armee/Flotte angeheuert haben oder man hat ihn
einfach zum Dienst "einkassiert" .Lies einmal das Buch von Bernd Kessen:
Rabenfluch

Alles Gute

J.Mählmann

Fritz Buentemeyer schrieb:
> 
> Einer meiner Vorfahren starb als Matrose der XV "Equipage de flotille" in
> Caen im Hospital (1813). Wer kann mir hier weiterhelfen?
> Wie kam ein Hausmann dazu, als Matrose bei Napoleon zu dienen?
> Wo liegt Caen?
> Wo finde ich Informationen über die XV "Equipage de flotille"?
> 
> Ich bin dankbar für jeden Tipp
> 
> Fritz Büntemeyer
> mailto:Fritz.Buentemeyer(a)t-online.de
> http://home.t-online.de/home/Fritz.Buentemeyer
> 
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Re: [OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/15 20:07:49
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Also, Caen liegt in der Normandie, also etwa 200 km nordwestlich von Paris.
In Frankreich gibt es auch gute Genealogie-Server, bei denen man, allerdings 
wohl auf französisch, nachfragen kann.
Allerdings, was einen Hausmann dazu bringen konnte, in der französischen 
Marine zu dienen, weiß ich auch nicht.
Gerold Diers


[OL]Napoleon in Oldenburg

Date: 2001/01/15 20:29:32
From: Fritz Buentemeyer <Fritz.Buentemeyer(a)t-online.de>

Danke an alle für die schnellen Antworten. Caen habe ich inzwischen auf der
Karte bei http://maps.expedia.com gefunden. Hätte ich auch vorher drauf
kommen können. Asche auf mein Haupt.
 In Frankreich zu suchen fällt mir schwer, da ich kein Französisch gelernt
habe.
Die Suche bei www.google.com nach "Equipage de flotille" brachte keinen
brauchbaren Erfolg.
Fritz




[OL]John Henry Stoff; 1859 Bremen > New Orleans

Date: 2001/01/17 11:41:56
From: emhuber <emhuber(a)attglobal.net>

Greetings Everyone,
I am looking to make a connection with possible family members of Johan
Henry Stoff b: 2 Feb 1840 in Bösel, Oldenburg, Germany. He left the Port of
Bremen in October 1859 on the H Von Gagen with a wife or sister named
Helena. They arrived at the port of New Orleans on 24 October 1859,
eventfully Johan only made his way to Saint Louis, and then on to Aviston,
Illinois. His occupation was listed as Joiner. If you have any Information
or ideals to share please email me.
Dale Huber
emhuber(a)attglobal.net



[OL]Dinkgreve, Gerding, Korfage, Hoelterman, Sandt, Hawickhorst

Date: 2001/01/18 02:38:20
From: Frei Mauro Hawickhorst <ofm(a)stm.interconect.com.br>

 

A few more of my ancestors with the hopes that they are also the ancestors of someone else on the net and we can put things together, helping one another.

  1. Johan Dinkgreve, ?-1688 and Margaret Dinkgrevesche, ?- 1671, were my gggggg grandparents.
  2. Bernard Gerding, 1812-1860, and Frances Dinkgreve Korfage,1816-1889, were my great grandparents.  Frances had first married John Gerhard Korfage, 1799-1848, and when he died she married Bernard Gerding.
  3. Catherina Hoelterman and Henrich Dinkgreve,1643-1692, (he was the son of Johan and Margaret of #1 above) were my ggggg grandparents.
  4. Joh. Hermann Hawickhorst, 1783-1863, and Maria Elizabeth Sandt, 1776-1859, gg grandparents.

If anyone has any information about these people, I would love to hear from you.

Fr. Maurie

[OL]Neudorf, Ostfriesland

Date: 2001/01/18 08:15:51
From: Dennis Young <dyoung(a)machlink.com>

Could anyone tell me who to contact for information on family in Neudorf, Ostfriesland. Neudorf is located between Oltmannsfehn and Grossoldendorf.
Thanks for any help.
Denny

Re: [OL]Neudorf, Ostfriesland

Date: 2001/01/18 13:54:45
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

You should write to the East-frisian genealogical Society:
Upstalsboom(a)gmx.de
Regards
Gerold Diers


Re: [OL]John Henry Stoff; 1859 Bremen > New Orleans

Date: 2001/01/18 22:09:36
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

There are still a lot of people with the family name 'Stoff' living in Bösel 
and Friesoythe. Why don't you write to one of them, like
Arnold Stoff, Fladderburger Straße 42, 26219 Bösel, Germany
Heinz Stoff, Riege-Wolfstange 56, 26169 Friesoythe-Altenoythe, Germany

Good luck
Gerold Diers (Oldenburg Genealogical Society)


[OL]Re: Oldenburg-L digest, Vol 1 #252 - 1 msg

Date: 2001/01/19 14:21:23
From: Mein Name <Max.Herbert.Bender(a)t-online.de>

Bestätigung
Herbert Bender
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[OL]Hello!

Date: 2001/01/19 18:23:01
From: Nate Blessen <nblessen(a)hotmail.com>

Hi,
 
My name is Nate Blessen, as you can tell from the address.  The reason I am writing you is because I am looking for relatives over here in Europe.  I am in Portugal playing basketball.  I am origianlly from Columbus Nebraska.  USA
 
If you could help me at all I would really apprecitate it.  Please email me back at this address.  nblessen(a)hotmail.com
 
Thanks for you help.
 
 
 
Nate
 
Edificio Maringa
Torre 2 8B
2400 Leiria Portugal
 
Phone #
Country Code 351
934374708

Re: [OL]Dinkgreve, Gerding, Korfage, Hoelterman, Sandt, Hawickhorst

Date: 2001/01/20 00:12:57
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

 Fr. Mauro,
 
I have researched the FERNEDING family of Ihorst, Holdorf, Oldenburg.  I have found that this Ferneding family is not directly related to my ggrandmother Elisabeth Ferneding.
 
This other Ferneding family may be related to you.You may not know that:
 
Hermann HOELTERMANN ca. 1750-) m Margaretha EVERS in about 1771. Their two children that I found were Ferdinand HOELTERMANN (b  21 June 1772, died 6 December 1806) and Johann Christopher H. (b. about 1776-d 8 Feb.1838)
 
Ferdinand married Maria Elis. Rohling in about 1792 in Ihorst. Maria was the widow of Arend Ferneding.  When Ferdinand married her he became Ferdn. FERNEDING and they kept the Ferneding farm, still owned today by this Ferneding family. 
 
They lived on the Ferneding farm in Ihorst and had a large family (16 children, 12 of whom I have found)).  One of their sons, Joseph emigrated to America in 1832 at age 30, was ordained a Catholic priest in 1833 in Bardstown, Ky.  Joseph(1802-1872) became Vicar General of the Diocese of Cincinnati, was known and loved throughout the area.  I researched and wrote a paper on his life.in 1998.
 
Regards,  Bob Niehaus

Re: [OL]John Henry Stoff; 1859 Bremen > New Orleans

Date: 2001/01/20 15:24:34
From: emhuber <emhuber(a)attglobal.net>

Hello  ,
Thank you, I plan to write and see if any thing develops. Thanks again for the Idea.
Dale

Re: [OL]Dinkgreve, Gerding, Korfage, Hoelterman, Sandt, Hawickhorst

Date: 2001/01/20 15:59:38
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

 Fr. Mauro,

I have researched the FERNEDING family of Ihorst, Holdorf, Oldenburg.  I
have found that this Ferneding family is not directly related to my
ggrandmother Elisabeth Ferneding.

This other Ferneding family may be related to you.You may not know that:

Hermann HOELTERMANN ca. 1750-) m Margaretha EVERS in about 1771. Their two
children that I found were Ferdinand HOELTERMANN (b  21 June 1772, died 6
December 1806) and Johann Christopher H. (b. about 1776-d 8 Feb.1838)

Ferdinand married Maria Elis. Rohling in about 1792 in Ihorst. Maria was the
widow of Arend Ferneding.  When Ferdinand married her he became Ferdn.
FERNEDING and they kept the Ferneding farm, still owned today by this
Ferneding family.

They lived on the Ferneding farm in Ihorst and had a large family (16
children, 12 of whom I have found)).  One of their sons, Joseph emigrated to
America in 1832 at age 30, was ordained a Catholic priest in 1833 in
Bardstown, Ky.  Joseph(1802-1872) became Vicar General of the Diocese of
Cincinnati, was known and loved throughout the area.  I researched and wrote
a paper on his life.in 1998.

Regards,  Bob Niehaus
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Frei Mauro Hawickhorst




[OL]Re: Oldenburg-L digest, Vol 1 #250 - 10 msgs

Date: 2001/01/20 16:24:56
From: UrAhne1 <UrAhne1(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 1/16/2001 5:00:45 AM Central Standard Time, 
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:

<< I believe my grandfather Strüving gt Hohenhörst died in Löningen >>

Betty,

Johann Bernard Strúving gt. Hohenhórst was born in Búnne, married in Dinklage 
and I have these records.  There is no death record for him in Dinklage.  He 
died in 1924.  To whom should I write in Lóningen to look for this record?

Vielen dank!

Marcy
UrAhne1(a)aol.com


Re: [OL]Re: Oldenburg-L digest, Vol 1 #250 - 10 msgs

Date: 2001/01/20 16:55:28
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

UrAhne1(a)aol.com schreef:
> 
> In a message dated 1/16/2001 5:00:45 AM Central Standard Time,
> oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:
> 
> << I believe my grandfather Strüving gt Hohenhörst died in Löningen >>
> 
> Betty,
> 
> Johann Bernard Strúving gt. Hohenhórst was born in Búnne, married in Dinklage
> and I have these records.  There is no death record for him in Dinklage.  He
> died in 1924.  To whom should I write in Lóningen to look for this record?
> 
> Vielen dank!
> 
> Marcy
> UrAhne1(a)aol.com
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 Mabey I can lookup somtingh for you.
 greetings Betty


[OL]Re: Kirchspiel/parish Loeningen

Date: 2001/01/20 22:06:14
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

In einer eMail vom 15.01.01 12:04:30 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt 
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net:

<< > Do you talking about Ansgar Hollah from Berlin?
 
 Yes, that's the guy. >>

Nice to read my name. Here I am back on the net. It´s really great fun to 
research your own family´s history. If I see it right, family HOLLAH (or 
Holla, Hollae, Halae, Hollaue) was living in Brokstreek>Bunnen>Löningen since 
more than 700 years!
My father was the first, who left the county (Landkreis Cloppenburg) - he 
moved to Bakum in the neighoring county Vechta. An it was our generation, who 
crossed the Länder-Boundaries: I moved fist to Münster, then Bonn in 
Nordrhein-Westfalen. An now I am living in Berlin.
Parts of this familiy-story are to find in the net. If you want to - look it 
up:
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen
Ansgar(a)Hollah.de


Re: [OL]Familie Asseln / von Asseln

Date: 2001/01/21 01:13:53
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hier das Ergebniss nach der Namenseingabe in der Datenbank "Bürgeraufnahmen 
in Oldenburg 1607-1740":
-1684 g 10. 1. Johan von Asselen, BS. BE. KB Oldenburg: Johann von Asseln, 
Bürger und Handelsmann, oo 3.5.1687 Agneta, Witwe von Ahrend von Halem. 
Agneta ... oo (vor 11.2.1685) Ahrend von Halem. s. 1680 k.
-1690 c (11. 2.) Meinert Wulff, Diener bei H(errn) Arch(ivarius) von Asseln. 
BG: 4 RT. KB Oldenburg: Meinert Wulf/Wulff oo (vor 26.2.1690) Agneta.
-1708 g 26. 6. Wilhelm Adolph Herennius. BG: -, geschenkt in Ansehung er 14 
Jahre bei Herrn Bürgermeister von Asseln treu und fleißig in Diensten 
gestanden.
-1709 a 19. 2. Gesche Rinderhagen, * auf dem Damm, Frau von Hans Jürgen 
Voigt,Schneideramtsmeister in Oldenburg. BG: 4 RT, in Ansehung sie bei dem + 
Herrn Bürgermeister von Asseln zuletzt einige Jahre gedient.
MfG
Harald Bohlemann
Ammerländer Str. 73
26203 Wardenburg-Westerholt
Tel.: 04407-718671
Mobil: 0172-4268773
e-mail: haraldbohlemann(a)aol.com



[OL]Family Coldevin/Coldevey/Coldewey from Oldenburg around 1600?

Date: 2001/01/21 14:15:20
From: Jan Tuxen <jan.tuxen(a)get2net.dk>

A rather powerful family Coldevey (later on Coldevin) imigrated in 
Norway around 1600. The first known member of this family was a 
bailiff in Tønsberg Cort Coldevey. He was also a merchant and ship 
owner. Two of his sons Oluf and Jørgen Coldevey both became mayors in 
Tønsberg in the mid 1600s. A branch of the family founded what has 
been known as a dynasty of military officers in Mid Norway in the 
years 1720-1814. Another branch became landowners with noble 
privileges in Northern Norway. Commonly used first names for males in 
the family during the first generations are: Jørgen 
(Jörgen/Jürgen/Georg), Isach, Oluf (Ole), Jochum, Carl, Jan.

There have been many speculations about the origin of this family. A 
wild guess based on the later spelling Coldevin was that the origin 
was French ('Col de Vin'). There is no substance in this hypothesis. 
Others have guessed on the Netherlands, but no evidence has been 
found to support this. A small note from a well known historian in 
the family says that the family came through Denmark, but had its 
origin in Northern Germany.

As I understand it, there seems to be several Coldewey families 
originating from or around Oldenburg. I wonder whether you could help 
me in a continued search for this family, given the little 
information I have about its origin. Any hint or link will be 
appreciated, thank you. (I do read German well, but my German writing 
is too rusty to publish on a mailing list :-)).
-- 
Jan Tuxen
Kongshoej Alle 23, DK-5300  Kerteminde, Denmark
mailto:jan.tuxen(a)get2net.dk 
http://hjem.get2net.dk/jan_tuxen/


Re: [OL]Neudorf, Ostfriesland

Date: 2001/01/22 06:27:06
From: Dennis Young <dyoung(a)machlink.com>

Thank you Gerold, I had forgotten about that list. Sometimes our memories
need to be prodded. Thanks again
Denny



> You should write to the East-frisian genealogical Society:
> Upstalsboom(a)gmx.de
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[OL]FTM CD no355

Date: 2001/01/22 12:21:19
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

 Hello,
 Is there some one that have CD 355 from Family Tree Maker ?
 Germans to America.
 Please wil you be so kind and lookup for me:
Wilhelm Holthinrichs(and other Holthinrichs)
And Crull/Krull al from Löningen, but I think there is written Oldenburg
, Hanover or Prusia.
 Manny thanks in advance, Greetings Betty Krull


Re: [OL]Family Coldevin/Coldevey/Coldewey from Oldenburg around 1600?

Date: 2001/01/22 12:58:55
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Hello,
in Oldenburg we have many Coldewey indeed. The following is a list of 
genealogy-reports on different Coldewey:
Coldewey s. Bergstädt / Hönert / Ibbeken / Langreuter / Veltmann.   ,OJB62
Coldewey, ,lohann Bernhard, * Hasbergen 19. 11. 1703, Pastor in Eckwarden, 
Eheschließung 12. 6. 1742 mit Gerber, Dorothea Maria, Tochter des Pastors 
Hermann Julius Gerber in Barrien und Syke, It., 319/69.     ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Agnese Magdalene, geb. Gerbers, t 20. 10. 1732, Frau des Pastors 
Gerhard Coldewey zu Hasbergen, T., 320/155. ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Anthon Günther, + Golzwarden 18. 3. 1722, Pastor ebd.; 
Trauergedicht, Lp R 4114    ,OJB75
Coldewey, Anthon Günther, Pastor zu Golzwarden, bg 31.3.1722, T.; L.H.S. 52. 
-- Catharina Elisabeth, geb. Veltmann, gst 28.1. 1723, T.; L.H.S. 52.   ,OJB62
Coldewey, Anton Günther, Pastor in Golzwarden, t Golzwarden 18. 3. 1722, T., 
320/149.    ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Aufzeichnungen des Hasberger Pastoren Dietrich Georg C. 1712--1723, 
von Kurt Müsegades; HuH 1974/4  ,OJB75
Coldewey, Bremen bzw. Oldenburg, Oldenburgische Pastorengeschlechter von 
Johannes Ramsauer, O.K. Jg. 21 Nr. 9, O.G.F.,OJB44/45   
Coldewey, Catharine Elisabeth, geb. Veltmann, i 28.1. 1723, Frau des Pastors 
Diedrich Georg Coldewey in Hasbergen, T., 320/150, 151. ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Catharine Magdalena, s. Bacmeister, 320/97--98.   ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Catharine Magdalena, s. Veltmann, 319/73, 75, 76. ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Diedrich Georg, Pastor in Hasbergen, t Hasbergen 6. 2. 1723, T., 
320/150.    ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Diterich Georg, + Hasbergen 7. 2. 1723, Pastor ebd.; Trauergedicht, 
Lp R 4114   ,OJB75
Coldewey, Ehrenreich Christian Gerhard, Fürstlich ostfriesischer Advocatus 
fisci und Archivarius, Eheschließung 25. 8. 1729 mit Wittkopf, Christiane 
Henriette, H., 319/70 u. 71.    ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Ehrenreich Gerhard, J.U.D., Hfl. advocatus fisci u. Archivar zu 
Ostfriesland, gh. 25. 8. 1729, Christine Henriette Wittkopf, H.; V.: Johann 
Friedrich Bertramis u. G. E. Schroeder; O.L.B. Nr. 44. - H.; V: Anthon 
Godfried Dreas; Oi.B. Nr. 45.   ,OJB62
Coldewey, Ehrenreich Gerhard, Ostfriesischer Rat, Eheschließung 17. 2. 1734 
mit Brenneysen, Helena Charlotte, Tochter des Amtmanns Johann Philipp 
Brenneysen zu Esens, H., 319/72.    ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Georg Matthias, Stud. theol., Jena, t 26. 12. 1735, T., 320/156.  
,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Georg, Sportredakteur, gb. Abbehauserwisch 17. 4. 1894, gst 
Nordenham 26. 6. 1957, O.H.K. 1958, S. 32.  ,OJB60
Coldewey, Gerhard, *Bremen 22. 1. 1632, + Oldenburg 17. 12. 1706, Mag., 
Konsistorialassessor u. Pastor zu Oldenburg; Lp R 4114  ,OJB75
Coldewey, Gerhard, gb Bremen 22. 1. 1632, gst 17. 12. 1706, bg 12. 1. 1707, 
Pastor Lamberti K. Oldenburg (1662), Stollhamm (1680). Nikolai K. Ohldenburg 
(1682), Kons.Ass., gh I. 17.5.1664 SidonieEmilie Tiling, gst Stollhamm 18.    
    12. 1680. T d. Dietrich Tiling, Amtmann in Harpstedt, gh II. 30. I. 1683 
Katharina Magdalene B o m g a r t e n, Ww. d. Anton Busse, Bürgermeisters in 
Oldenburg, T.; B.B. Bd. 1, S. 78, Nr. 1044. ,OJB62
Coldewey, Gerhard, Pastor in Hasbergen, Eheschließung Hasbergen 8. 9. 1733 
mit Bergstedt, Anna Sophia, Tochter des Henrich Erasmus Bergstedt, Pastor in 
Trupe und Lilienthal, H., 319/65---68.  ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Gerhard, Pastor in Oldenburg, * Bremen, t Oldenburg 17.12. 1706, 
L., T., 311/56----64, 321/9.    ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Ilse Mette, geb. Bergstãdt, Frau Pastorin, + Eckwarden 19. 5. 1741, 
L., 323/13. ,OJB46/47
Coldewey, Levin, *Oldenburg, + Aurich 11. 12. 1729, Oberhofprediger u. 
Generalsuperintendent für Ostfriesland zu Aurich; Lp R 4536 ,OJB75
Coldewey, Levin, Hfl. Ostfriesischer Hofprediger, Gen. Sup. über Ostfriesland 
u. Hargerland, Consist. Rat u. erster Scholarch, gst 11.12. 1729, T.G.; D 4;  
O.L.B. Nr. 102. --   T.; V: Johann Friedrich Bertram u. B. E. Schroeder, D 4; 
O.L.B. Nr. 103. --   T.; V: Ehrenreich Gerhard Coldewey, Dr., Hfl. Ostfr. 
advocatus fisci u. Archivarius; O.L.B. Nr. 104. --   T.; V: Christian 
Eberhard Hohn, S.S.Th. Cand.; O.L.B. Nr. 109. -   T.; V: Gerhard Ibbeken, 
bisher Pastor zu Schwei, jetzt aber Pastor zu Blexen in der Graftschaft 
Oldenburg; O.L.B. Nr. 107. --   T.; V: Johann Hinrich Jani, S.S, Theologiae 
Stud.; O.L.B. Nr. 110. -   T.; V: M. Henricus Gottlieb Leutholff, S.N.R.; 
O.L.B. Nr. 106. --   T.; V: Gerh. Petr. Rolefs, S.S.Theol. Stud.; O.L.B. Nr. 
108. --   T.; V: C.S.H.; O.L.B. Nr. 106. --   T.; V. u. D. nicht genannt; 
O.L.B. Nr. 111. ,OJB62
Coldewey, Nachrichten über die Familie Coldewey, Oldenburger Hauskalender 
1934, S. 33.    , OJB40
Coldewey, s. Bergstädt u. Veltmann  ,OJB75
Coldewey; Slg. Thieden  ,OF92

Regards
Gerold Diers (Oldenburg Genealogical Society)


Re: [OL]Family Coldevin/Coldevey/Coldewey from Oldenburg around 1600?

Date: 2001/01/22 22:20:29
From: Jan Tuxen <jan.tuxen(a)get2net.dk>

Gerold,
Thanks a lot for the encouraging list of Coldeweys.
Do you (or any others) have any idea as to where I should start to 
search for my family, given that it emigrated to Norway around 1600?
-- 
Jan Tuxen
Kongshoej Alle 23, DK-5300  Kerteminde, Denmark
mailto:jan.tuxen(a)get2net.dk 
http://hjem.get2net.dk/jan_tuxen/


Re: [OL]FTM CD no355

Date: 2001/01/23 00:52:49
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Hello Betty,

I have pasted the Holthinrichs information you asked for below, but there 
were only two.  

For the Crull/Krulls, the CD only searches by country and not town, even 
though the actual immigration card might have residence on it.  There are 
well over 100 Crull/Krulls on the CD, but none list Oldenburg as a country of 
origin.  Many only list Germany.  Can you be more specific as to who you are 
looking for?

Don Meyer


Germans to America, 1850-1874
    
Holthinrichs, H.    Age : 18
    Country of Origin : Germany
    Arrival Date : Feb 28, 1859
    Final Destination : United States
    Port of Embarkation : New York
    Port of Debarkation : Bremen
    Ship's Name : Bremen
    Occupation : Farmer
    Gender : Male
Holthinrichs, Wilhelm   Age : 18
    Country of Origin : Oldenburg
    Arrival Date : May 12, 1853
    Final Destination : Cincinnati
    Port of Embarkation : Bremen
    Ship's Name : Heinrich Von Gadern
    Occupation : Farmer
    Gender : Male
    Captain's Name : C. P. Reimers
    Purpose for Travel : Staying in the USA
    Mode of Travel : Steerage
    Manifest ID Number : 00018195



In a message dated 1/22/2001 6:19:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl writes:

> Hello,
>   Is there some one that have CD 355 from Family Tree Maker ?
>   Germans to America.
>   Please wil you be so kind and lookup for me:
>  Wilhelm Holthinrichs(and other Holthinrichs)
>  And Crull/Krull al from Löningen, but I think there is written Oldenburg
>  , Hanover or Prusia.
>   Manny thanks in advance, Greetings Betty Krull
>  


Re: [OL]FTM CD no355

Date: 2001/01/24 08:31:47
From: Dorothy Yereance <dorothy(a)idsi.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: Dem13(a)aol.com <Dem13(a)aol.com>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]FTM CD no355


>
>Don Meyer

Hi Don,
I am searching the name Meyer and wondered if there might be a connection.
My grandfather was Frederick Meyer, born Nov. 8, 1848 in Oldenburg, Hamburg,
Germany, he Came to the USA about 1865 or so and lived in Bardonia, NY. Do
you see a connection? Tell me about your Meyers.

Best Regards,
Dorothy




Re: [OL]FTM CD no355

Date: 2001/01/25 04:22:30
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 1/24/01 3:10:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, dorothy(a)idsi.net 
writes:


> Hi Don,
> I am searching the name Meyer and wondered if there might be a connection.
> My grandfather was Frederick Meyer, born Nov. 8, 1848 in Oldenburg, Hamburg,
> Germany, he Came to the USA about 1865 or so and lived in Bardonia, NY. Do
> you see a connection? Tell me about your Meyers.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Dorothy
> 
> 
> 
> 

Hi Dorothy,

I'm not sure where my Meyers come from.  The oldest Meyer I have is Caspar 
August (or August Caspar) Meyer, born ca. 1843 in Germany and arrived in the 
U.S. ca. 1866.  He came to Cincinnati, and his first wife was from Damme, 
Oldenburg (Agnes Rosemeyer).  He does not appear to have had any relatives or 
other connections to anyone here in the U.S.

One comment I would make is that I don't think Hamburg and Oldenburg were 
ever part of the same country.  Maybe one of the Germans on the list could 
confirm or correct me.  Maybe he left from Hamburg, but he was from Oldenburg?

Let me know if you (or anyone) sees any possible connections.  

Don



Re: [OL]FTM CD no355

Date: 2001/01/25 11:40:27
From: Dorothy Yereance <dorothy(a)idsi.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: Dem13(a)aol.com <Dem13(a)aol.com>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]FTM CD no355


Hi Don,
Thank you for your reply. I had thought Oldenburg was somewhere near
Hamburg. I know there is another Oldenburg in the south of Germany, which is
why I alway had Oldenburg and Hamburg together, to indicate which one it
was. As you can see I have a lot to learn about Germany, it's a very
complicated country. I would appreciate any information you can give.

Best Regards,
Dorothy



Re: [OL]Meyer Oldenburg Hamburg

Date: 2001/01/25 22:42:43
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hamburg is a own State. Maybe it is the small town Oldenburg in Schleswig-Holstein.
This Oldenburg is not so far from Hamburg then Oldenburg in Oldenburg.

Werner

> Hi Dorothy,

> I'm not sure where my Meyers come from.  The oldest Meyer I have is Caspar
> August (or August Caspar) Meyer, born ca. 1843 in Germany and arrived in
> the
> U.S. ca. 1866.  He came to Cincinnati, and his first wife was from Damme,
> Oldenburg (Agnes Rosemeyer).  He does not appear to have had any relatives
> or
> other connections to anyone here in the U.S.

> One comment I would make is that I don't think Hamburg and Oldenburg were
> ever part of the same country.  Maybe one of the Germans on the list could
> confirm or correct me.  Maybe he left from Hamburg, but he was from
> Oldenburg?

> Let me know if you (or anyone) sees any possible connections.

> Don


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[OL]Baarlage, Dinkgreve, Cruempelmann, Rebel, Ovelgoenne, Tieman

Date: 2001/01/26 04:22:32
From: Frei Mauro Hawickhorst <ofm(a)stm.interconect.com.br>

 
January 25, 2001

Dear Listmembers,

            A few more names from my ancestors.  Hope some of them are the ancestors of someone else.

1.      Catherina Maria Baarlage, 1745-1826, and her husband, Joan Herman Dinkgreve, 1726-1781,  were my ggg grandparents.

2.      Gerdt Cruempelman, 1628-1693, and his wife Deltelt Rebel, 1635-1672, were my gggggg grandparents.

3.      Maria Ovelgoenne, 1678-1725, and Rudolf Tieman, 1665-1734, were my ggggg grandparents.

I would love to hear from someone who has any of these people in their family trees or even has heard of these families.

Thanks for what you can do.

Fr. Maurie




[OL]Re: Familie Nehe / Niehe

Date: 2001/01/27 08:54:56
From: Franz-Josef Weppelmann <frajowep(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer

Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Margarethe Nehe geb.29.08.1880 in
Papenburg.
Alle Ihre Vorfahren stammen aus Essen/Oldenburg.
Wer von Ihnen forscht ebenso nach der Familie Nehe - Niehe auch im 16 Jahrh.
Nye geschrieben
Alle meine Daten können Sie auf meiner homepage ablesen oder bei mir
anfragen.

Herzlichen Gruß aus Bayern
Franz Josef Weppelmann
e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de

homepage:  http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/



[OL]Family Nehe - Niehe - Nye

Date: 2001/01/27 09:32:42
From: Franz-Josef Weppelmann <frajowep(a)t-online.de>

Hallo
My grandmother was a born Margarethe Nehe geb.29.08.1880 in Papenburg. All
your ancestors originate from Essen / Oldenburg. Who of you researches
likewise after the family Nehe - Niehe also in 16 Jahrh. written Nye
All my data can read off you on my homepage or inquire with me.

Cordial greeting from Bavaria

Franz Josef Weppelmann
e-mail: frajowep(a)t-online.de

homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/



Re: [OL]Baarlage, Dinkgreve, Cruempelmann, Rebel, Ovelgoenne, Tieman

Date: 2001/01/27 14:17:20
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello,
here some names from the Oldenburg database „Bürgeraufnahmen in Oldenburg 
1607 - 1740“. Hope that will help you :

-13.02.1696 Anna Catharine Barlage, Frau von Christian Lücken. Buergergeld: 8 
Reichstaler. Kirchenbuch Oldenburg: Anna Catharina BARLAGE, Tochter von + 
Gerdt BARLAGE, Bürger, oo 21.6.1692 Christian Lücken, Bürger und Kaufhändler 
in Oldenburg. Bei den Taufen der Kinder: Christian Luecken/Lutkens/Luekens.
-16.07.1696 N.N., Frau von Wilhelm Groverman. Buergergeld: 8 Reichstaler. 
Kirchenbuch Oldenburg: Elisabeth BARLAGE, Tochter von + Gerd BARLAGE, Bürger, 
oo 23.4.1696 Wilhelm Grovermann, Sohn von Lübberd Grovermann, Ratsverwandter.
-20.12.1651 Eilert von der OVELGOENNEN, seine Frau Anne und zwei Kinder. 
Buergergeld: 4 Reichstaler. Kichenbuch Oldenburg: Eilert von der OVELGONNE oo 
(vor 18.9.1652) Anna.
-1660  Elisabeht, (Tochter oder Witwe von) Hanß Jürgen Hochstein, Corporal 
zur OVELGOENNE, Frau von Eilert Geffken. Buergergeld: 5 Reichstaler. 
Kirchenbuch Oldenburg: N.N. oo 28.11.1658 Eillerdt Geffken.
-20.01.1739  Christian Spiescke und seine Frau. Buergergeld: 4 Reichstaler. 
Kichenbuch Oldenburg: Christian Friederich Spiescke, Ober-Constabel, oo (vor 
1.11.1742) Agnesa Dorothea. Christian Spiescke, in Major Sondorffs 
Artilleriekompanie, oo 24.10.1744 Anna Elisabeth, Witwe von Franz TIMAN. Anna 
Elisabeth Haverbek oo 16.2.1741 Johan Franz TIEMAN, Musketier unter 
Obristleutnant Muller. Christian Spiescke, Constable unter Major Brocktorff, 
oo 3.3.1746 Anna Catharina Hohn, Tochter von Johann Hohn in Strueckhausen.
-29.01.1739  Gerhard TIEMANN, Uhrmacher. Buergergeld: 6 Reichstaler.

Help for translation - please ask me. Bye bye
Harry-Bo...
Harald Bohlemann
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26203 Wardenburg-Westerholt
Germany
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Re: [OL]Re: Familie Nehe / Niehe

Date: 2001/01/27 15:05:35
From: H-J Hinrichsmeyer <hjhin(a)t-online.de>

Franz-Josef Weppelmann schrieb:
>
>
> Liebe Listenteilnehmer
>
> Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Margarethe Nehe geb.29.08.1880 in
> Papenburg.
> Alle Ihre Vorfahren stammen aus Essen/Oldenburg.
> Wer von Ihnen forscht ebenso nach der Familie Nehe - Niehe auch im 16 Jahrh.
> Nye geschrieben
> Alle meine Daten können Sie auf meiner homepage ablesen oder bei mir
> anfragen.
>
> Herzlichen Gruß aus Bayern
> Franz Josef Weppelmann
> e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de
>
> homepage:  http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/
>
>
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Ich empfehle das Buch:

Clemens Broering
Essener Bauernhoefe und ihre Familien
Familienkundliches Nachschlagewerk
1996

Mit freundlichem Gruss
H-J Hinrichsmeyer
hjhin(a)t-online.de



Re: [OL]Re: Familie Nehe / Niehe

Date: 2001/01/27 16:03:09
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Herr Weppelmann,
in einer Knelange Historie wird folgendes aufgeführt:

Heinrich Nehe (oder Niehe), geb. 23.08.1866, wo?
oo 05.02.1891 wo?, Maria Rosa Knelange, geb. 21.07.1870 Warnstedt, + 14.04.1948 Molbergen
aufgeführt sind 10 Kinder

Dann ist im Buch "Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien" die Niehe Historie auf 5 Seiten beschrieben.

MfG Honkomp

> Liebe Listenteilnehmer

> Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Margarethe Nehe geb.29.08.1880 in
> Papenburg.
> Alle Ihre Vorfahren stammen aus Essen/Oldenburg.
> Wer von Ihnen forscht ebenso nach der Familie Nehe - Niehe auch im 16
> Jahrh.
> Nye geschrieben
> Alle meine Daten können Sie auf meiner homepage ablesen oder bei mir
> anfragen.

> Herzlichen Gruß aus Bayern
> Franz Josef Weppelmann
> e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de

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[OL]Re: Niehe

Date: 2001/01/27 16:32:08
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

In einer eMail vom 27.01.01 12:02:08 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt 
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net:

<< Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Margarethe Nehe geb.29.08.1880 in
 Papenburg.
 Alle Ihre Vorfahren stammen aus Essen/Oldenburg.
 Wer von Ihnen forscht ebenso nach der Familie Nehe - Niehe auch im 16 Jahrh.
 Nye geschrieben
 Alle meine Daten können Sie auf meiner homepage ablesen oder bei mir
 anfragen. >>

Bei mir kommt an einer Stelle auch Niehe vor, weil die Familie Hollah seit 
1802 auch im Kirchspiel Essen/Oldbg. zu finden ist. Ich werde ´mal 
nachschauen, wo genau die Verknüpfung Hollah-Niehe liegt (eine von uns hat 
einen Niehe geheiratet, meine ich).

Besten Gruß!
Ansgar Hollah
http://www.hollah.de/berlin/ansgar/ahnen


Re: [OL]Tieman

Date: 2001/01/27 22:30:48
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Mr. Tiemann of New Orleans search the birthday and birthplace of the ancestors:

Friedericus Thiemann and Anna Margaretha Lübken

the son Meinhard Loudewig Thiemann was born 13.May 1811 in Löningen
and married 18.Nov.1834 in Löningen Helena Zimmer

Werner


> January 25, 2001

> Dear Listmembers,

>             A few more names from my ancestors.  Hope some of them are the
>             ancestors of someone else.

> 1.      Catherina Maria Baarlage, 1745-1826, and her husband, Joan Herman
> Dinkgreve, 1726-1781,  were my ggg grandparents.

> 2.      Gerdt Cruempelman, 1628-1693, and his wife Deltelt Rebel,
> 1635-1672, were my gggggg grandparents.

> 3.      Maria Ovelgoenne, 1678-1725, and Rudolf Tieman, 1665-1734, were my
> ggggg grandparents.

> I would love to hear from someone who has any of these people in their
> family trees or even has heard of these families.

> Thanks for what you can do.

> Fr. Maurie



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[OL]Re: Nihe

Date: 2001/01/27 23:11:57
From: AHollah <AHollah(a)aol.com>

Hier meine Nihe-Connection:

Johna Gerd Nihe (*19-3-1840) hat am 26-12-1843 Maria Bernardina Hollah 
geheiratet.
Kinder waren:
19-10-1875 Emma Carolina
1-10-1876 Maria Bertha
2-6-1879 Johann Heinrich
8-1-1883 Josef Bernard

Diese Familie Nihe stammt aber wohl aus Addrup, nicht aus Papenburg.

Besten Gruß aus Berlin
Ansgar Hollah


Re: [OL]Re: Nihe

Date: 2001/01/28 10:17:55
From: Franz-Josef Weppelmann <frajowep(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Ansgar Hollah
Hier mein Versuch den Johan Gerd Nihe aus Addrup einzuordnen.

Joan Moerkampff geb um 1645 in Addrup Essen/Oldenburg
war verheiratet mit Anna Kleine Quade gt. Gerksche geb. 1645
Trauung (kath) am 13.09.1672 in Essen Oldenburg

Sie hatten hatten 7 Kinder darunter auch ein Sohn Gerhard  08.08.1688
Er heiratete eine Geseke Nihe (um 1720) in Addrup(und nahm den Namen an)
Möglicher weise stammen Deine Nihe von  diesen Nachkommen .

Ein Bruder von Joan Moerkampf -  Christopher Ludwig, geb. 27.10.1683 in
Adrupp
heiratet um 1710 eine Anna Barlage geb.? Auch sie stammt aus Adrupp.

aus dieser Ehe war eine Tochter Anna geb. 02.06.1711 - sie heiratet Herman
Bernard Niehe aus Osteressen.
Das ist unser Niehe - Nehe. Insofern haben doch eine kleine " Gemeinsamkeit.

Herzlichen Gruß und Danke für Deinen Hinweis.

Franz Josef Weppelmann
e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de
homepage:  http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/


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From: <AHollah(a)aol.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:09 PM
Subject: [OL]Re: Nihe


> Hier meine Nihe-Connection:
>
> Johna Gerd Nihe (*19-3-1840) hat am 26-12-1843 Maria Bernardina Hollah
> geheiratet.
> Kinder waren:
> 19-10-1875 Emma Carolina
> 1-10-1876 Maria Bertha
> 2-6-1879 Johann Heinrich
> 8-1-1883 Josef Bernard
>
> Diese Familie Nihe stammt aber wohl aus Addrup, nicht aus Papenburg.
>
> Besten Gruß aus Berlin
> Ansgar Hollah
>
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Re: [OL]Re: Familie Nehe / Niehe

Date: 2001/01/28 10:27:50
From: Franz-Josef Weppelmann <frajowep(a)t-online.de>

Sehr gehrter H. W.Honkomp
Vielen herzlichen Dank für Ihren Hinweis.
Zwei Fragen hätte ich - wo liegt Knelange ?
und wo kann ich das Buch über "Essener Bauernhöfe" erhalten zu  welchem
Preis ?.
Vielen herzlichen Dank für Ihren Hinweis - aber einordnen kann ich Ihn noch
nicht.

Franz Josef Weppelmann
e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de
homepage :  http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <kvs(a)euronet.nl>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]Re: Familie Nehe / Niehe


> Herr Weppelmann,
> in einer Knelange Historie wird folgendes aufgeführt:
>
> Heinrich Nehe (oder Niehe), geb. 23.08.1866, wo?
> oo 05.02.1891 wo?, Maria Rosa Knelange, geb. 21.07.1870 Warnstedt, +
14.04.1948 Molbergen
> aufgeführt sind 10 Kinder
>
> Dann ist im Buch "Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien" die Niehe Historie
auf 5 Seiten beschrieben.
>
> MfG Honkomp
>
> > Liebe Listenteilnehmer
>
> > Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Margarethe Nehe geb.29.08.1880 in
> > Papenburg.
> > Alle Ihre Vorfahren stammen aus Essen/Oldenburg.
> > Wer von Ihnen forscht ebenso nach der Familie Nehe - Niehe auch im 16
> > Jahrh.
> > Nye geschrieben
> > Alle meine Daten können Sie auf meiner homepage ablesen oder bei mir
> > anfragen.
>
> > Herzlichen Gruß aus Bayern
> > Franz Josef Weppelmann
> > e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de
>
> > homepage:  http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/
>
>
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[OL]Raum Bremen - Vechta

Date: 2001/01/28 13:04:27
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Hallo Mäuse und Oldenburger,

ein Mitglied aus der AMF-Liste hat mich gebeten, seine Suchanfrage an die
Maus- und an die Oldenburger Liste weiterzuleiten. Kann ihm jemand
weiterhelfen? Text siehe unten.

Viele Grüße - Karin

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Karin Jacob - Skalitzer Str. 54b - 10997 Berlin - Tel./Fax: 030/611 63 73
karinjacob(a)snafu.de - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/9580
----- Original Message -----
From: Heinz Trebus <Heinz.Trebus(a)t-online.de>
To: <AMF(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: [AMF] Wer kann helfen


Liebe Forscherfreunde, insbesondere im Raum Bremen,
Wer kann helfen.
 Ich suche das Heiratsdatum von:
 Josphine Caroline Lissette Busse, geboren in Vechta am 27. August 1852,
 ( Tochter von Wilhelm Busse und von Antonette Kathe, beide aus Vechta)
 verheiratet mit  Eduard Karl Taubert  geboren am 23. August 1852 in
Altenburg/Rasephas,
Sohn von Gottlieb Johann Taubert und von Christine Johanna Fromhold.
Josephine war katholisch und Eduard evangelisch

Dies hat damals sicherlich zu Problemen geführt und deshalb gibt es keine
Rückmeldungen über Josephine in den Kirchenbüchern von Vechta.
Vermutlich haben die beiden in Rablinghausen - heute wohl ein Stadtteil von
Bremen - geheiratet
Sie hatten gemeinsam 5 Kinder (mittels eines Familienfotos bekannt) :

1 Tochter      Elisabeth.

Ein Sohn:      Eduard Reinhold Taubert, geboren in Rablinghausen/Bremen am
08. Juni 1875, gestorben in Altenburg
am 29. April 1946, Sohn von Eduard Karl Taubert und von Josphine Caroline
Lissette Busse, heiratete Silly   Helene Wunsch am 15. August 1897 (geboren
am 20. April 1874 in Gera und gestorben am 11. Mai 1962, Tochter von Eduard
Wunsch und von Alma Engelmaier).

Ein Sohn:     Kurt,. Dieser ist nach Amerika ausgewandert.

Die anderen beide Söhne sind namentlich nicht bekannt.
Es ist auch nicht bekannt, ob die Kinder alle in Rablinghausen geboren
wurden.

Josephine ist nach 1940 in Wünsdorf bei Zossen verstorben.

In Zossen konnte ich auch keine Auskunft erhalten. Die Unterlagen sind
vermutlich ins Staatsarchiv Brandenburg gekommen.
Ein schönen Sonntag
 Heinz aus Altenburg



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Re: [OL]Raum Bremen - Vechta

Date: 2001/01/28 15:59:52
From: Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Karin,
Im Anhang habe ich etwas für Heinz aus Altenburg. Das gesamte Werk ist eine
handschriftliche Aufzeichnung Vechtaer Familien ca. 1930. Es sind noch mehr
Familien Busse aufgeführt.
Gruß aus Steinfeld
Peter


Karin Jacob schrieb:

> Hallo Mäuse und Oldenburger,
>
> ein Mitglied aus der AMF-Liste hat mich gebeten, seine Suchanfrage an die
> Maus- und an die Oldenburger Liste weiterzuleiten. Kann ihm jemand
> weiterhelfen? Text siehe unten.
>
> Viele Grüße - Karin
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Karin Jacob - Skalitzer Str. 54b - 10997 Berlin - Tel./Fax: 030/611 63 73
> karinjacob(a)snafu.de - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/9580
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Heinz Trebus <Heinz.Trebus(a)t-online.de>
> To: <AMF(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:05 PM
> Subject: [AMF] Wer kann helfen
>
> Liebe Forscherfreunde, insbesondere im Raum Bremen,
> Wer kann helfen.
>  Ich suche das Heiratsdatum von:
>  Josphine Caroline Lissette Busse, geboren in Vechta am 27. August 1852,
>  ( Tochter von Wilhelm Busse und von Antonette Kathe, beide aus Vechta)
>  verheiratet mit  Eduard Karl Taubert  geboren am 23. August 1852 in
> Altenburg/Rasephas,
> Sohn von Gottlieb Johann Taubert und von Christine Johanna Fromhold.
> Josephine war katholisch und Eduard evangelisch
>
> Dies hat damals sicherlich zu Problemen geführt und deshalb gibt es keine
> Rückmeldungen über Josephine in den Kirchenbüchern von Vechta.
> Vermutlich haben die beiden in Rablinghausen - heute wohl ein Stadtteil von
> Bremen - geheiratet
> Sie hatten gemeinsam 5 Kinder (mittels eines Familienfotos bekannt) :
>
> 1 Tochter      Elisabeth.
>
> Ein Sohn:      Eduard Reinhold Taubert, geboren in Rablinghausen/Bremen am
> 08. Juni 1875, gestorben in Altenburg
> am 29. April 1946, Sohn von Eduard Karl Taubert und von Josphine Caroline
> Lissette Busse, heiratete Silly   Helene Wunsch am 15. August 1897 (geboren
> am 20. April 1874 in Gera und gestorben am 11. Mai 1962, Tochter von Eduard
> Wunsch und von Alma Engelmaier).
>
> Ein Sohn:     Kurt,. Dieser ist nach Amerika ausgewandert.
>
> Die anderen beide Söhne sind namentlich nicht bekannt.
> Es ist auch nicht bekannt, ob die Kinder alle in Rablinghausen geboren
> wurden.
>
> Josephine ist nach 1940 in Wünsdorf bei Zossen verstorben.
>
> In Zossen konnte ich auch keine Auskunft erhalten. Die Unterlagen sind
> vermutlich ins Staatsarchiv Brandenburg gekommen.
> Ein schönen Sonntag
>  Heinz aus Altenburg
>
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Re: [OL]Re: Familie Nehe / Niehe

Date: 2001/01/28 18:34:23
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Herr Weppelmann,

Knelange ist kein Ort, sondern ein Familien-Name aus Warnstedt, nähe Cloppenburg.

Das Buch sagt aus, das der Niehe Ursprungshof -erstmals 1473 genannt- auf Hinrich Nye in Bevern zurückgeht und heute noch im Besitz des Zeller Niehe in Bevern ist.

Das Buch "Essener Bauernhöfe" (821 Seiten) ist zu beziehen beim Autor:

Clemens Bröring
Am Deich 15
49610 Quakenbrück

und kostet etwa DM 50,-


Werner



> Sehr gehrter H. W.Honkomp
> Vielen herzlichen Dank für Ihren Hinweis.
> Zwei Fragen hätte ich - wo liegt Knelange ?
> und wo kann ich das Buch über "Essener Bauernhöfe" erhalten zu  welchem
> Preis ?.
> Vielen herzlichen Dank für Ihren Hinweis - aber einordnen kann ich Ihn
> noch
> nicht.

> Franz Josef Weppelmann
> e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de
> homepage :  http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Cc: <kvs(a)euronet.nl>
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [OL]Re: Familie Nehe / Niehe


>> Herr Weppelmann,
>> in einer Knelange Historie wird folgendes aufgeführt:
>>
>> Heinrich Nehe (oder Niehe), geb. 23.08.1866, wo?
>> oo 05.02.1891 wo?, Maria Rosa Knelange, geb. 21.07.1870 Warnstedt, +
> 14.04.1948 Molbergen
>> aufgeführt sind 10 Kinder
>>
>> Dann ist im Buch "Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien" die Niehe
>> Historie
> auf 5 Seiten beschrieben.
>>
>> MfG Honkomp
>>
>> > Liebe Listenteilnehmer
>>
>> > Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Margarethe Nehe geb.29.08.1880 in
>> > Papenburg.
>> > Alle Ihre Vorfahren stammen aus Essen/Oldenburg.
>> > Wer von Ihnen forscht ebenso nach der Familie Nehe - Niehe auch im 16
>> > Jahrh.
>> > Nye geschrieben
>> > Alle meine Daten können Sie auf meiner homepage ablesen oder bei mir
>> > anfragen.
>>
>> > Herzlichen Gruß aus Bayern
>> > Franz Josef Weppelmann
>> > e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de
>>
>> > homepage:  http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/
>>
>>
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[OL]Nehe

Date: 2001/01/28 20:02:25
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Heirat in Löningen,
 8-12-1745 Michael Joseph Nehen x Adelheidis Düvel
 zeuge Antonio Nehe und Godefridus Waterlohe.

14-2-49 Maria Gertrudis Nehe ex( kann Holla sein) mit Martinus Aselage
ex Aselage
 Grüsse Betty Krull


[OL]THIEMANN X SCHLATMANN in Holland

Date: 2001/01/28 20:56:30
From: margaret <margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>

Thiemann in Holland:

There's one Joannes Bernardus Xaverius THIEMANN who came to The Netherlands,
and had Maria Sophia SCHLATMANN as spouse, their daughter Elisabeth
Catharina Sophia THIEMAN born 1850 in Haarlem married Henricus Josephus
BERTELS 1876 in Haarlem (he was born in Krommenie, his father in
Neunkirchen). This couple settled in Schiedam, where some of the children
had textileshops, one became a doctor.

I would like to know more about this Thiemann x Schlatmann, did they also
come from the Neunkirchen area?

Gruss

Margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net

ps From tuesday Jan 30th through Feb 11th in the states,



-----Original Message-----

From: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net

[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp

Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 9:54 PM

To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net

Subject: Re: [OL]Tieman



Mr. Tiemann of New Orleans search the birthday and birthplace of the
ancestors:

Friedericus Thiemann and Anna Margaretha Lübken

the son Meinhard Loudewig Thiemann was born 13.May 1811 in Löningen

and married 18.Nov.1834 in Löningen Helena Zimmer

Werner

-

Margaret

Margaret R.M. Rijkelijkhuizen
Elsa Brandstromstr. 44 Haarlem 2037-LS The Netherlands
email: margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net
Tel +31 (0)23-536-8791  gsm 06 - 5105-2079
eFax/eVoice +31 (0)20 870-0463

Researching the following direct ancestors (kwartierstaat)
van der Aer, Albers, van Antwerpen, Averberg, Avercamp, van der Beck,
Bertels, de Beus, Billiens, van Blankenstein, uit den Boe, Bockers, Book,
van Bourgonje, Bramer,van Breukelen, Breukers, van der Brull, Buckers,
Cappelhaus, van der Cleij, Coenen, Deiters, van Diest, van Dordt, Dorgeloh,
Duineveld, Ebbe, van Eck, Erfoort, Fanckman, van Gaal, Gast, Gelardi,
Glazenmaker, de Gooijer, van 'sGravenmade, Haar, den Harder, van
Hazelendonck, Heere, van der Heijden, Heris, Hoogenboom, Hoogers, van Hoorn,
Hoppenbrouwer, Hijmans,  de Jong, Jonker, Kaak, Kappeteijn, Kerkvliet, van
Keuls, van der Klugt, de Koning, Korrel, Krijne, van der Laan, Lammers,
Langeveld, van der Lans, Lantsman, van Leeuwen, Lefebre, van der Lelie, van
Lelieveldt, van der Leth, Leugers, van der Loos, Mareveld, van Medemblik,
Moellering/Moellers, Moerkerk, Mosterman, Nelis, Nieuwlandt, Nijenhuijs, van
Os, van Ottelen, Oudemolen, Paardekooper, Pel, Perk, Prenger, Pruijm, Quint,
Randeraat, Renckens, Rensen, Reijerse, de Rode, van Roon, Ruijgrok, de
Ruijter, van Rijckelijckhuijsen, Salari,  Sandbrink,  Schoorl, van Schooten,
Schrama, Schutte, Smink, Solari, Sprokkelenburg,  Staringks,  Starkenburg,
Stens, van Strien,  Stuve, Sylvester,  van Tetrode, van Thien, Treckeler,
van Tuyl, van Velzen, Verduijn/Voorduijn, Vernath, van Vliet, de Vlieger, in
den Vogelendonck, Voorendt, Vrolijk, van Wadenoyen, Wenker, Westerbeek,
Westgeest, Wevers,  v/d Wielen, van Wieringen, de Wijs, de Wilden, Wilms,
Wilhelmer, Wijsmans, Xanders, Zuijdervaart, van der Zwet

Also (van) Rijk/Reeck/en/lijck//huijzen in all its many variations.






Re: [OL]Baarlage, Dinkgreve, Cruempelmann, Rebel, Ovelgoenne, Tieman

Date: 2001/01/30 00:56:31
From: Frei Mauro Hawickhorst <ofm(a)stm.interconect.com.br>

Dear Harald,
        Thanks for your interest and your answer to my request of a few days
ago.  I could not see any connection between the names you mentioned and the
names I have in my list.  Maybe you can so I´ll copy a list of the Tiemans
and another list of Baarlages and Ovelgonnes.  If you have time, will you
check these with the "Buergeraufnahmen in Oldenburg".  It would be wonderful
if this book were on the Internet.
        Thanks for any help.
Fr. Maurie
Report
Name Birth date Death date Spouse
Tieman, Adam 11 abril 1674 07 maio 1675
Tieman, Anna 23 novembro 1702 09 janeiro 1778 Camman, Arnoldt
Tieman, Anna Bernardina Lisette 17 setembro 1845 19 setembro 1856
Tieman, Anna Maria 10 janeiro 1843
Tieman, Anna Maria Adelheid 15 novembro 1798
Tieman, Anna Wilhelm. Bernard. 16 julho 1839
Tieman, Anna Wilhelmina Lisette 12 outubro 1838
Tieman, Bernardus 14 outubro 1721 22 setembro 1766 Schmidt, Helena
Tieman, Bernardus Henricus 26 agosto 1777 03 setembro 1777
Tieman, Caspar Henrich 04 dezembro 1799 11 janeiro 1829
Tieman, Dirck Henrich 06 fevereiro 1838
Tieman, Elizabeth 05 fevereiro 1710/11
Tieman, Ferdinand Clemens August 30 setembro 1898  Schumacher, Paula
Tieman, Franciscus Henricus 30 julho 1765 19 fevereiro 1842 Dinkgrefe, Anna
Maria Elisabeth
Tieman, Franz Henrich 02 novembro 1797
Tieman, Franz Henrich 26 janeiro 1808  Quatmann, Maria Anna
Tieman, Gerd Henrich 28 dezembro 1816
Tieman, Gerhard 22 março 1851 17 janeiro 1854
Tieman, Gerhard 14 outubro 1855 11 maio 1857
Tieman, Gerhardine Elizabeth 31 agosto 1853 26 fevereiro 1878
Tieman, Gertrudis 15 outubro 1705
Tieman, Heinrich Ludwig 05 abril 1875 28 agosto 1950 Otten, Angela
Tieman, Joan Gregorius 27 maio 1775 27 fevereiro 1776
Tieman, Joan Henrich 07 fevereiro 1804 08 janeiro 1837
Tieman, Joan Henrich 06 setembro 1847 27 setembro 1922 Sperveslage, Maria
Bernardina
Tieman, Joan Theodor Hinners gt   Tieman, Margaretha Elisabeth
Tieman, Johan Diedrich 30 setembro 1842
Tieman, Johann Caspar 21 abril 1849 28 abril 1895 Hawickhorst, Maria Anna
Tieman, Lucia 09 maio 1668 19 abril 1707 Busch, Herman
Tieman, Lucretia 21 janeiro 1703/04  Baarlage, Theodor
Tieman, Margaretha Elisabeth 11 janeiro 1821 07 março 1902 Tieman, Joan
Theodor Hinners gt
Tieman, Margaretha Phenenna 13 julho 1713 07 maio 1725
Tieman, Maria 02 agosto 1707
Tieman, Maria Adelheid 23 janeiro 1770 10 maio 1783
Tieman, Maria Anna 15 novembro 1843 08 junho 1844
Tieman, Maria Anna Margaretha 28 dezembro 1718 03 novembro 1762
Kruempelmann, Hermann Gerard
Tieman, Maria Catharina 02 dezembro 1885  Quiel, Herm Joseph
Tieman, Maria Elizabeth 11 fevereiro 1761
Tieman, Maria Elizabeth 25 junho 1763 19 setembro 1764
Tieman, Maria Elizabeth 17 novembro 1806 11 dezembro 1806
Tieman, Maria Elizabeth 29 agosto 1810 25 setembro 1810
Tieman, Maria Elizabeth 15 janeiro 1837
Tieman, Maria Elizabeth 15 setembro 1878  Nienaber, Bernhard
Tieman, Menke 1634 18 março 1673/74 Windhaus, Lucia
Tieman, Menke 07 fevereiro 1671/72 05 novembro 1725
Tieman, Menke 27 maio 1709
Tieman, Robertus 18 maio 1670
Tieman, Rudolf 1665 17 janeiro 1734/35 Ovelgönne, Maria
Tieman, Rudolf Theodor 16 junho 1757 12 setembro 1764
Tieman, Rudolphus 30 julho 1716 14 junho 1758 Stubbeman, Anna Maria
Tieman, Theodor Henrich 29 janeiro 1813 25 dezembro 1866 Brand, Catharina
Adelheid
Tieman, Wilhelm Bernard 05 agosto 1888  Schwius, Gertrud


Report
Name Birth date Death date Spouse
Baarlage, Catherina Maria 23 agosto 1745 20 agosto 1826 Dinkgreve, Joan
Herman Theodore
Baarlage, Theodor   Tieman, Lucretia
Ovelgönne, Anna 09 setembro 1676 07 janeiro 1734/35 Burmeister, Herman
Ovelgönne, Anna Catherina   Thole, Herman
Ovelgönne, Catharina Margaretha 20 março 1714/15 14 janeiro 1796 Waschefort,
Joan Heinrich
Ovelgönne, Eilert 24 agosto 1681 10 fevereiro 1761 Weerman, Talke
Ovelgönne, Gabriele 05 maio 1970
Ovelgönne, Maria 20 março 1678/79 07 novembro 1725 Tieman, Rudolf
Ovelgönne, Thomas 28 fevereiro 1969
Ovelgönne, Wilhelm 1642 22 fevereiro 1709/10 Windhaus, Lucia
Ovelgönne, Wilhelm 28 janeiro 1678/79 29 agosto 1747 Klinge, Margaretha





[OL]Eine bitte

Date: 2001/01/30 15:58:14
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

 Gerne hatte ich ein scan oder ein fotocopie von seite 539, 540
541,542,543,544 aus das Buch von Clemens Pagenstert.
 Bauern  Höfe aus das amt Vechta.

Wehm von euch wil so lieb sein und das für mich tun.
Onkosten werden ich verguten.
Freundlichen Grüssen Betty Krull


Re: [OL]Eine bitte

Date: 2001/01/30 17:21:04
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Betty,
will ich gerne machen. Aber habe etwas Geduld, ich muß sie im Staatsarchiv 
kopieren.
Viele Grüße
Gerold 


Re: [OL]Eine bitte

Date: 2001/01/30 19:00:45
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Betty,
ich mache die Kopien.
Ab 539 ist Bauernschaft Holthausen. Ist das OK ?

Gerold ich habe das Buch zu Hause.

Werner

>  Gerne hatte ich ein scan oder ein fotocopie von seite 539, 540
> 541,542,543,544 aus das Buch von Clemens Pagenstert.
>  Bauern  Höfe aus das amt Vechta.

> Wehm von euch wil so lieb sein und das für mich tun.
> Onkosten werden ich verguten.
> Freundlichen Grüssen Betty Krull

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Re: [OL]Eine bitte

Date: 2001/01/30 19:25:48
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Werner Honkomp schreef:
> 
> Hallo Betty,
> ich mache die Kopien.
> Ab 539 ist Bauernschaft Holthausen. Ist das OK ?
> 
> Gerold ich habe das Buch zu Hause.
> 
> Werner
> 
> >  Gerne hatte ich ein scan oder ein fotocopie von seite 539, 540
> > 541,542,543,544 aus das Buch von Clemens Pagenstert.
> >  Bauern  Höfe aus das amt Vechta.
> 
> > Wehm von euch wil so lieb sein und das für mich tun.
> > Onkosten werden ich verguten.
> > Freundlichen Grüssen Betty Krull
> 
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Danke Werner,
Ja genau om Holthausen geht es, vielen dank im voraus
Betty


[OL]Toeben-Henrichs

Date: 2001/01/31 01:52:41
From: Lnnxs <Lnnxs(a)aol.com>

My Damme ancestors are Ennekings. Along with this name the name 
Töben-Henrichs is usually in parenthesis. Does anyone know the origin of the 
alias? They mostly seem to have come from Oldorf, which I believe is a 
bauernschaft in the Steinfeld area.

Sue Lennox




Re: [OL]Toeben-Henrichs

Date: 2001/01/31 07:08:30
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

Hi Sue,
I have Ennekings from Damme too! back to 1680. but sorry, don't have a clue on the Toben-Henrichs.

My Ennekings (my husband's actually) landed in the Spring Hill area of Minnesota. Some then went to Keuterville, IDaho. some stayed in Minn.

I know they had a huge reunion in Damme about 5 years ago... and Ennekings from the Netherlands and the states all got together.. my father-in-law went....

Josie




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Subject: [OL]Toeben-Henrichs
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:48:49 EST

My Damme ancestors are Ennekings. Along with this name the name
Töben-Henrichs is usually in parenthesis. Does anyone know the origin of the
alias? They mostly seem to have come from Oldorf, which I believe is a
bauernschaft in the Steinfeld area.

Sue Lennox



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AW: [OL]Toeben-Henrichs

Date: 2001/01/31 12:14:16
From: Martin Glandorf <martin.glandorf(a)ewetel.net>

Hello Sue,
Clemens Bröring from Quakenbrück wrote 30 sites about Ennekings in Damme.
About Tebben-Enneking and Heye-Enneking from Oldorf, Jost-Enneking from
Dümmerlohausen and Enneking from Damme.
Oldorf and Dümmerlohausen are little villages on the way from Damme to the
Dümmer Sea. They still exists today.
Tebben-Enneking starts with Stine Enneking who married in 1658 a
a Johan Schmising zur Hüe (now Enneking), colon in Oldorf

Martin Glandorf

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My Damme ancestors are Ennekings. Along with this name the name
Töben-Henrichs is usually in parenthesis. Does anyone know the origin of the
alias? They mostly seem to have come from Oldorf, which I believe is a
bauernschaft in the Steinfeld area.

Sue Lennox



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[OL]Familien Pruem, Kassens,Dirks,

Date: 2001/01/31 16:21:19
From: Franz-Josef Weppelmann <frajowep(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer

Hat jemand aus Papenburg/Ems und Umgebung den Namen Prüm, Kassens, Dirks.
Meine Daten dazu : Heinrich Kassens, Seemann geb. 1785, verh. mit Aaltje
Dirks geb.um 1787
Tochter aus dieser Ehe:Margarethe Kassens 5.12.1819 in Papenburg.

Baltasar Prüm,Bäckermeister geb.18.10.1820 verheiratet mit Margarethe
Kassens/Papenburg
Tochter aus dieser Ehe Anna Prüm geb.27.09.1847

Wer kann erweiterte Angaben dazu machen,(Geschwister - deren Groß oder
Urgroßeltern etc. aber auch Geburtsort.)
Vielen herzlichen Dank

Franz Josef Weppelmann
e-mail:  frajowep(a)t-online.de
homepage:  http://home.t-online.de/home/frajowep/



Re: [OL]Familien Pruem, Kassens,Dirks,

Date: 2001/01/31 20:03:42
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Diese Anfrage sollten Sie wohl besser an die Ostfriesen stellen:
 upstalsboom(a)gmx.de
Gerold Diers (Oldenburgische Gesellschaft für Familienkunde)

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