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Re: [OL](no subject)

Date: 2000/10/01 12:01:52
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Schuttertal is located in the State "Baden-Würtenberg" in soth-west of Germany.
You should go this list.


> I was on the site, but don't read German..Was interested in something
> but can't read German..Could I get some help please..
> schuttertal(Ortenaukreis)
> Finkbeiner, Gerhard; Heimatbuch Schutteral. Ortschronik. Familienbuch von
> Hans Scheer.  Grafenhausen 1990. 920 S. ( Deutsche Ortssippenbucher. A.
> 154)
> (Badeische Ortssippenbucher . 59) (16, 18, 24, 25, 31,352

> Any help in understanding this would be great...Was interested in the
> Hans Scheer part.
> I am searching relatives by the name of Scheer..
> Thnak you,
>  Chris Perez

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Re: [OL]Tiens and Oldorf

Date: 2000/10/01 12:01:53
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I can't find "Tien", but we have a Bauernschaft (farm area) Oldorf as a part of the town Damme.
This is a catholic region.
Werner

> Ich finde folgende Örte nicht auf der Straßenkarte:
> I cannot find the following places on the map:

> Tiens und Oldorf

> Kennt jemand diese?
> Does anyone know these?




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Re: [OL]Tiens and Oldorf

Date: 2000/10/01 13:27:21
From: Hetty Combs <hettycombs(a)wxs.nl>

Oldorf gibts zwei mahl:

1. Oldorf  n-w von Wilhemlmshaven.
2. Oldorf  n-o Osnabrück.

Tiens nicht gefunden.

Grüsse,

Hetty Combs






GENE JANSSEN schreef:

> Ich finde folgende Örte nicht auf der Straßenkarte:
> I cannot find the following places on the map:
>
> Tiens und Oldorf
>
> Kennt jemand diese?
> Does anyone know these?
>
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Re: [OL]Tiens and Oldorf

Date: 2000/10/01 13:50:03
From: GENE JANSSEN <jansseng(a)email.msn.com>

Herzlichen dank.
-----Original Message-----
From: Hetty Combs <hettycombs(a)wxs.nl>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]Tiens and Oldorf


>Oldorf gibts zwei mahl:
>
>1. Oldorf  n-w von Wilhemlmshaven.
>2. Oldorf  n-o Osnabrück.
>
>Tiens nicht gefunden.
>
>Grüsse,
>
>Hetty Combs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>GENE JANSSEN schreef:
>
>> Ich finde folgende Örte nicht auf der Straßenkarte:
>> I cannot find the following places on the map:
>>
>> Tiens und Oldorf
>>
>> Kennt jemand diese?
>> Does anyone know these?
>>
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Re: [OL](no subject)

Date: 2000/10/01 17:15:16
From: Nearon <Nearon(a)aol.com>

To get info on baden-wurttemberg, you can subscribe by sending an e-mail to 
baden-wurttemberg-L-request @ rootsweb.com and write "subscribe".  David 
Nearon


[OL]Gogenarius

Date: 2000/10/01 17:32:10
From: Jens Delger <Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de>

Moin Liste,

was bedeutet der Titel oder die Eigenschaft "Gogenarius" bzw. "Gogenaria"?
Fand ich mehrmals in KB-Registern um 1655.

Vielen Dank,
Jens Delger
Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de


[OL]Auskunft

Date: 2000/10/02 09:42:58
From: Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de>

Hallo aus Steinfeld,
Mit welcher Genealogischen Software lassen sich GED-COM oder sonstige
Datei Formate zusammenfügen ?

Gruß
Peter



[OL]Thieschafer/Duden aus (dem Grossherzogtum?) Oldenburg

Date: 2000/10/02 10:03:50
From: Juergen E.W. Meyer <JEW.Meyer(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

sind Ihnen die obigen Familiennamen bekannt? Woher könnten sie stammen?

Konkret werden von einer Amerikanerin gesucht:
J. Dietrich Thieschafer, geboren 19.02.1850 und seine Ehefrau
Anka Duden, geboren 04.02.1847

Die Familie ist 1881 in die USA ausgewandert.
Sie soll "aus Oldenburg" (vermutlich Großherzogtum) stammen.

Jeder Hinweis wird dankbar aufgenommen.
Vielen Dank im voraus

---------------------------
Jürgen E.W. Meyer, E-Mail: JEW.Meyer(a)t-online.de
Dachsgang 7, 35438 Langgöns
---------------------------



Re: [OL]Auskunft

Date: 2000/10/02 13:09:14
From: Bianca Uffelmann <bianca.uffelmann(a)gmx.de>

Ich  benutze PAF (Personal Ancestral File)

Das kann man sich kostenlos aus dem Internet herunterladen bei:

http://www.pctip.ch/downloads/dl/15638.asp

Viele Grüße

Bianca Uffelmann



[OL]Wieting/Finkenzeller - Oldenburg circa1880

Date: 2000/10/02 17:25:52
From: Sitruk128 <Sitruk128(a)aol.com>

Hello List  

  Wondering if anyone is researching either WIETING or FINKENZELLER families 
in the city of Oldenburg???

 Marie Elise Wieting, daughter of Heinrich Johann Wieting and Margarete 
Katherine Harms was born in Oldenburg in 1863, and married Karl Finkenzeller 
in about 1880. 
Finkenzeller was born circa 1848 and was a tailor. I am assuming he too was 
from Oldenburg or the surrounding area, since the Wieting's resided there. 
The family lived some years in NYC before returning to Germany. Karl died 
about 1900 or so, according to family tradition, in a drowning accident.
THank you.
Kurt Wieting


Re: [OL]Thieschafer/Duden aus (dem Grossherzogtum?) Oldenburg

Date: 2000/10/02 19:07:10
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Das Telefonbuch zeigt in Germany lediglich 9 Thieschäfer, jeweils einer in Oldenburg und Bad-Zwischenahn. Die anderen in Herford und Osnabrück.


> Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

> sind Ihnen die obigen Familiennamen bekannt? Woher könnten sie stammen?

> Konkret werden von einer Amerikanerin gesucht:
> J. Dietrich Thieschafer, geboren 19.02.1850 und seine Ehefrau
> Anka Duden, geboren 04.02.1847

> Die Familie ist 1881 in die USA ausgewandert.
> Sie soll "aus Oldenburg" (vermutlich Großherzogtum) stammen.

> Jeder Hinweis wird dankbar aufgenommen.
> Vielen Dank im voraus

> ---------------------------
> Jürgen E.W. Meyer, E-Mail: JEW.Meyer(a)t-online.de
> Dachsgang 7, 35438 Langgöns
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Re: [OL]Auskunft

Date: 2000/10/02 19:07:10
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Peter,
ich benutze "Ahnengalerie" Version 1. Eine freeware Version kannst Du in meiner Website unter Tools finden.
Aktuell gibt es jetzt "Ahnengalerie" Version 3 für etwa DM 49,-. Diese Version soll auch GED-COM files zusammenfügen können:

http://www.mattelinteractive.de/home/wissen_liste.html
oder
http://www.arbre-genealogique.com/indexge.html

Werner


> Hallo aus Steinfeld,
> Mit welcher Genealogischen Software lassen sich GED-COM oder sonstige
> Datei Formate zusammenfügen ?

> Gruß
> Peter


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Re: [OL]Auskunft

Date: 2000/10/02 20:52:47
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

ACHTUNG !!!
Finger weg von "Ahnengallerie 3" !!! Das Programm ist so mit Fehlern 
behaftet, daß ich von einem Kauf dringend abraten muß. In einem Mailkreis vom 
ecircle wird das Thema schon seit längeren behandelt. Auch von der Firma 
Matell ist bisher keine Stellung dazu eingetroffen. Allerdings ist das 
Programm "Ahnengallerie 2" zu empfehlen.
Das ist nur ein Tip gewesen.
Viel Glück
Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Wieting/Finkenzeller - Oldenburg circa1880

Date: 2000/10/02 22:40:12
From: Manfr.Emken <Manfr.Emken(a)t-online.de>

Hello,
I know some Wietings in Esens/Ostfriesland.
Next days I try to look in the church-books.
My address: Manfr.Emken(a)t-online.de

Greetings from Nienburg

Manfred











Sitruk128(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Hello List  
>
>   Wondering if anyone is researching either WIETING or FINKENZELLER families 
> in the city of Oldenburg???
>
>  Marie Elise Wieting, daughter of Heinrich Johann Wieting and Margarete 
> Katherine Harms was born in Oldenburg in 1863, and married Karl Finkenzeller 
> in about 1880. 
> Finkenzeller was born circa 1848 and was a tailor. I am assuming he too was 
> from Oldenburg or the surrounding area, since the Wieting's resided there. 
> The family lived some years in NYC before returning to Germany. Karl died 
> about 1900 or so, according to family tradition, in a drowning accident.
> THank you.
> Kurt Wieting
>
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[OL]Claussen-OL

Date: 2000/10/03 13:33:12
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

Hallo, Liste
ich suche für meine Freundin Informationen über

Catharina Elisabeth CLAUSEN aus Oldenburg (Tochter von Gerhard Clausen)
heiratet am 30.11.1815 in Blumenthal Ficke Haesloop (* 3.9.1773 in
Blumenthal).

Ficke Hasloop war vorher bereits zweimal verheiratet (mit Gesche
Havighorst und mit Elisabeth Luelffs)

Hat jemand nähere Informationen zu Catharina Elisabeth CLAUSEN aus
Oldenburg?
Geburtsdatum?
Geschwister?
Eltern?

Anneliese



Re: [OL]Claussen-OL

Date: 2000/10/03 14:55:44
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hallo Anneliese,
ich habe etwas über CLAUSEN in Oldenburg gefunden. Zwar nicht das was du 
suchst, aber vielleicht hilft das ein anderesmal:
14.03.1689  Hanß Hinrich Clausen, von Delmenhorst, Schmiedegeselle, und seine 
                  Braut Wünneke. Bürgergeld: 4 Reichstaler; in respect des 
Herrn 
                  Kammerrats verehrt.
KB Oldenburg: Johan Henrich Claußen, Amtsmeister des Schmiedehandwerks, 
                  oo 9.5.1689 Wuncke Oltcken.

und hier ist noch was von einer CATHARINA ELISABETH ohne Nachnamen:
KB Oldenburg: Jonas Salstrom/Salstroms oo (vor 8.11.1690) Catharina Elisabeth.
29.12.1691      Jonas Salstrup, aus Schweden. Bürgergeld: 4 Reichstaler.

Viel Glück weiterhin
Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Claussen-OL

Date: 2000/10/03 21:24:05
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com schrieb:

>
>
> Viel Glück weiterhin
> Harry-Bo...
> Danke!!!!   Dir auch

Anneliese




[OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/03 21:58:43
From: Paula Dewet <dewet(a)hsc.usc.edu>

Hello Suzanne,

If you have the book in your possession, could you please check
for me also on Stöver in the 1850 -1900 period?

My grandfather Stover in South Africa claimed that he was born in
Oldenburg but I cannot find anything.  His brother apparently lived
in America and another brother died during a war.

Sorry to be so forward to ask you, but if you can I would really
appreciate your help!

Regards,
Paula


>
> > >  Will you look please in the book for me for the surname Krull/Crull ?
> > >  Manny thanks and greetings
> > >  Betty Krull



Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/03 23:19:57
From: Lloyd Budwig <budwig(a)hb.quik.com>

Hello Paula,

I have several Stoever, Stover or Stöver as well as other spellings that are in
the Oldenburg area. Please give me some names and dates. I will then see if
there is a hit.

Lloyd

Paula Dewet wrote:

> Hello Suzanne,
>
> If you have the book in your possession, could you please check
> for me also on Stöver in the 1850 -1900 period?
>
> My grandfather Stover in South Africa claimed that he was born in
> Oldenburg but I cannot find anything.  His brother apparently lived
> in America and another brother died during a war.
>
> Sorry to be so forward to ask you, but if you can I would really
> appreciate your help!
>
> Regards,
> Paula
>
> >
> > > >  Will you look please in the book for me for the surname Krull/Crull ?
> > > >  Manny thanks and greetings
> > > >  Betty Krull
>
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Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/03 23:43:19
From: Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers(a)Mankato.MSUS.EDU>

The surnames Krull/Crull and Stover are not in the Tenfelde book, which deals only with 
the Kreise Lingen and emigrants from that area who went to the U.S.




[OL]Cord Delger

Date: 2000/10/04 00:55:03
From: Jens Delger <Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de>

Hi list,
(inter-national request)

has anybody heard about a couple like this?:

Cord Delger (soundex D426)
* 30 Sep 1721 in Nordloh, parish Apen, Ammerland, Oldenburg
marr. 1 Feb 1766
Gebke Tammen 
* 12 Jan 1742

Cord is the dear lost son of our family. 

Jens Delger
Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de


[OL]SCHWARTING

Date: 2000/10/04 02:06:46
From: SJMNauman <SJMNauman(a)cs.com>

    I am researching the SCHWARTING family.  I have found the names of two 
towns from research done by someone else about twenty years ago.  Most of the 
people from this side of my family have passed away.
    The names of the towns are Lenthal, Oldenburg, Germany and Twelbecke.  
The later is described as being near Oldenburg.  Thanks in advance to anyone 
who can help.

Sara


Re: [OL]SCHWARTING

Date: 2000/10/04 02:48:42
From: Lloyd Budwig <budwig(a)hb.quik.com>

Good afternoon Sara,

I also have several Schwartings in my database. Too many to list. Might you give
me a name or two and date that they might have been born or some sort of time
frame. Might also give a spouse name.

Just to ask for as surname does not really help. Yes, they are in the towns that
you mention.

You also might go to my home page and there link into the "Heyne" and "Nutzhorn"
lines to see my ancestors.
<http://hb.quik.com/budwig/Index.html>

Good luck on your research.

Lloyd

SJMNauman(a)cs.com wrote:

>     I am researching the SCHWARTING family.  I have found the names of two
> towns from research done by someone else about twenty years ago.  Most of the
> people from this side of my family have passed away.
>     The names of the towns are Lenthal, Oldenburg, Germany and Twelbecke.
> The later is described as being near Oldenburg.  Thanks in advance to anyone
> who can help.
>
> Sara
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Re: [OL]SCHWARTING

Date: 2000/10/04 03:07:09
From: SJMNauman <SJMNauman(a)cs.com>

    I did not have time to go into detail at the time.  I have a small 
daughter, so I don't have much time.  Here is what I have.  

John G. Schwarting              
b. 19 Nov 1829 Oldenburg, Germany
d. 05 Sept 1896 Anaheim, CA
m. ? Gesine Schroeder    They married before moving to the US.
b. 13 July 1829 Germany
d.15 January 1904
They had two sons:
George H. Schwarting b. 11 March 1858 either Lenthal or Twelbecke, Oldenburg, 
    Germany  He stowed away on a freighter  c.1879 and settled in Nebraska.
    He married Katherina Mankans b. 6 July 1868 in Oldenburg.  They married 
after   coming to the US.
John H. Schwarting b.22 April 1861 Twelbecke
     He moved to the US in 1880  

Whether George stowed away may be family legend.  All my information comes 
from a collection of memoirs from a family Reunion in 1988.  I t would be 
great to make a connection.  I am moving to Heidelberg in January and would 
like to visit and do some research in person.  Where are the towns mentioned 
above?  

Thanks, 
Sara in North Carolina


[OL]Surname: LIMKE

Date: 2000/10/04 03:10:31
From: Cmreif <Cmreif(a)aol.com>

Hallo!

Ich bin auf der Suche nach Informationen über meinen Ur-Ur-Ur-Großvater, 
Hermann Limke.  Er wurde um 1800 geboren und starb 1864 in St. Lucas, Iowa.  
Seine Kinder waren Christopher, geboren 1827, Georf, geboren 1832, Heinrich, 
geboren 1838 und Maria Anna, geboren 1841.   Hermann und seine Kinder kamen 
in den frühen 1850er Jahren von Deutschland nach Amerika und leben in St. 
Lucas, Fayette County, Iowa. Frau Hermann ist auf dem Schiff gestorben. 
Wahrscheinlich haben Sie kursfristig in einer anderen Stadt gewohnt, bevor 
sie sich in St. Lucas neidergelassen haben.  Die Familie war Katholisch.  
Leider habe ich keine Informationen über Hermanns Frau.  Seine Kinder zogen 
später nach St. Mary's, Iowa.

Ich suche seine Herkunfsstadt in Deutschland und den Namen von Hermanns Frau. 
 
Ich wäre für jede Hilfe sehr dankbar.

Mit freundlichem Gruß

Carolyn Reif


[OL]Surname: LIMKE (English version)

Date: 2000/10/04 03:11:59
From: Cmreif <Cmreif(a)aol.com>

Hi,

I am searching for information about my ggg-grandfather, Hermann Limke.  He 
was born in about 1800 and died in St. Lucas, Iowa in 1864.  His children 
were:  Christopher, born in 1827, George, born in 1832, Heinrich, born in 
1838, and Maria Anna, born in 1841.  Herman and his children came from 
Germany to America in the early 1850's and moved to St. Lucas, Iowa.  
Hermann's wife died during the voyage.  The family may have live somewhere 
else before moving to St. Lucas.  This family was also Catholic.  I have no 
information about Hermann's wife.  The children later moved to St. Mary's, 
Iowa.

The family is not found in the Germans to America series.  I am searching for 
the town of origin and the name of Hermann's wife.  I will appreciate any 
help you can give me.

With kind regards,

Carolyn Reif


Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/04 09:48:15
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Suzanne Bunkers schreef:

> The surnames Krull/Crull and Stover are not in the Tenfelde book, which deals only with
> the Kreise Lingen and emigrants from that area who went to the U.S.
>
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Thanks, Suzanne!




[OL]Ehben/Giesselmann

Date: 2000/10/04 12:21:56
From: haemoglobin <haemoglobin(a)myokay.net>

Moin Liste,

auch ich möchte mich heute mit einer Anfrage an Euch wenden
.
Ich suche den Vater von Adolph Friedrich Wilhelm Ehben (Gießelmann), geb.
16.6.1798 in Littel, Gemeinde Wardenburg, gest. 11.4.1858 auch in Littel.
Im Kirchenbuch steht dort:

"Vater: Adolph Friederich Gießelmann, ein Hannöverscher Jäger, aus dem Amte
B. gebürtig, bei dem 14. Regiment, welcher ihr die Ehe versprochen hat."

Wer kann mir sagen welches Amt hier gemeint ist oder etwas über das 14.
Regiment ? Hat vielleicht sogar jemand die Person in seinem Bestand ?

Ich bin für jede Hilfe dankbar !
MfG
Marius Ricker, Osna.
www.mariusricker.de




[OL]W. Honkomp's web site on Damme emigration

Date: 2000/10/04 12:59:41
From: Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers(a)Mankato.MSUS.EDU>

If you've not yet visited Werner Honkomp's web site, which deals with emigration from 
Damme, I urge you to do so:  http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/index.htm



Re: [OL]SCHWARTING

Date: 2000/10/04 17:25:08
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>


> Hallo Sara,

there is an old   "Ziegelei" Schwarting in Borgstede near Varel in Oldenburg ,
producing "Klinker".
Anneliese




Re: [OL]SCHWARTING

Date: 2000/10/04 18:48:23
From: SJMNauman <SJMNauman(a)cs.com>

Anneliese,
    Forgive me for my ignorance, I'm not sure what you are talking about.  
Could you please explain.  Thank you.

Sara


Re: [OL]Ehben/Giesselmann

Date: 2000/10/04 19:33:37
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hallo Marius,
unser Nachbar hat den kompletten Datensatz der Gemeinde Wardenburg in seinem 
PC. Du kannst ja mal bei ihm direkt anfragen. Hier die Adresse:
Erich Marten, Ammerländerstr. 77, 26203 Wardenburg / Westerholt
Gruß Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]SCHWARTING

Date: 2000/10/04 19:44:20
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello Sara,
here are some dates:
1)
1648 j 7.11. Anne Schwarting, Frau von Henrich Billerbeke. BG: 2 RT. KB 
Oldenburg: Anne Swarting oo 16.4.1648 Hinrich Billerbecke.
1656 k 20.11. Heilke Storck, * Ovelgönne, Frau von Brun Schwarting. BG: 1 RT. 
KB Oldenburg: Heilke, T. von Herman Storck, oo 24.9.1654 Brun Schwarting. 
Brun Swarting oo (vor 13.4.1642) Anne.
2)
1677 a 9. 1. Johan Schwarting. Weil er aus der Stadt gezogen und über Jahr 
und Tag daraußer gewohnt, so ist in Ansehung, daß er allemal ein fleißiger 
Bürger, auch mit der Unwissenheit sich entschuldigt, ihm das Bürgerrecht de 
novo gelassen und gibt 2 RT zur recognition. KB Oldenburg: Johan Schwarting 
oo 1.12.1661 Magdalene Schroder.
3)
1685 c 13. 8. Cord Schwarting, von Immer bei Delmenhorst. BG: 10 RT. KB 
Oldenburg: Cordt Schwarting oo 18.10.1685 Heilcke (Meier), Witwe von Detmer 
Hayen. s. 1675 d.
4)
1698 e 31. 5. Herman Meyer, * Varel. BG: 6 RT. KB Oldenburg: Hermann Meyer, 
S. von + Gerd M., Einwohner in Varel, oo 15.5.1698 Clara Schwarting, T. von 
Johann Sch., Bürger.
5)
1704 b 12. 2. Johan Rudolph Robens, soll BS sein, hat sich aber außer der 
Stadt gesetzt. BG: 4 RT. KB Oldenburg: Johann Rudolph Röben, S. von + Johann 
R., Bürger in Oldenburg, oo 23.5.1702 Anna Elisabeth Schwarting, T. von + 
Johann Sch., Bürger in Oldenburg.

Viel Spaß und bei Rückfragen bitte melden !
Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Cord Delger

Date: 2000/10/04 19:50:21
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hallo Cord,
ich habe einen Delger gefunden, vieleicht hilft das weiter:

1628 j (17.11.) Elisabet Delger. BG: 5 RT. KB Oldenburg: Trauung und Taufen 
der Kinder nicht nachzuweisen.

Gruß Harry-Bo...



Re: [OL]Surname: LIMKE

Date: 2000/10/04 19:57:00
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

The German phone directory shows 83 Limke, most in area of Greven, Gronau, Münster

Werner

> Hallo!

> Ich bin auf der Suche nach Informationen über meinen Ur-Ur-Ur-Großvater,
> Hermann Limke.  Er wurde um 1800 geboren und starb 1864 in St. Lucas,
> Iowa.
> Seine Kinder waren Christopher, geboren 1827, Georf, geboren 1832,
> Heinrich,
> geboren 1838 und Maria Anna, geboren 1841.   Hermann und seine Kinder
> kamen
> in den frühen 1850er Jahren von Deutschland nach Amerika und leben in St.
> Lucas, Fayette County, Iowa. Frau Hermann ist auf dem Schiff gestorben.
> Wahrscheinlich haben Sie kursfristig in einer anderen Stadt gewohnt, bevor
> sie sich in St. Lucas neidergelassen haben.  Die Familie war Katholisch.
> Leider habe ich keine Informationen über Hermanns Frau.  Seine Kinder
> zogen
> später nach St. Mary's, Iowa.

> Ich suche seine Herkunfsstadt in Deutschland und den Namen von Hermanns
> Frau.

> Ich wäre für jede Hilfe sehr dankbar.

> Mit freundlichem Gruß

> Carolyn Reif

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Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/04 19:58:56
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello Suzanne,
I´ve found in my databases the following:
1)
1705 h 23. 6. Johan Christoph Stoever und seine Frau Catharine Margarethe 
Dircks. BG: 8 RT. KB Oldenburg: + KB Wardenburg: Johann Christoffer Stoever, 
S. von Anton Günther St., Pastor in Wardenburg, oo Wardenburg 13.11.1701 
Catharina Margreta Dircksen, T. von + Johann D., Einnehmer in Kleinenkneten. 
KB Wardenburg: ~ 8.1.1672 Wardenburg, Johann Christoph, S. Anton Günther Stoev
er u. Anna, geb. Barelmann, Wardenburg. KB Wildeshausen: Beginn: 1678. Taufe 
der Ehefrau nicht nachzuweisen.
2)
1713 a 13. 6. Johan Christian Stoever, * Delmenhorst. BG: 6 RT. KB Oldenburg: 
Johann Christian Stoever, S. von + Lorenz St., Schuster in Delmenhorst, oo 
31.8.1713 Margareta Elisabeth (Eilers), Witwe von Peter Wolff, 
Schloessermeister. s. 1703 e, 1727 f.
3)
1727 f 17. 6. Herman Reider, Schmiedegeselle. BG: 5 RT. KB Oldenburg: Hermann 
Reuter, Bürger und Schloesserzunftmeister, von Bahrenburg, oo 10.10.1727 
Magreta Elisabeth (Eilers), Witwe von Johann Christian Stoever. s. 1703 e, 
1713 a.

To translate something please ask me. Stover is the same as Stoever in 
germany.
By, by, an´d good luck   Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/04 20:28:59
From: Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers(a)Mankato.MSUS.EDU>

Great news for the person who posted the inquiry!  (not me) 

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:44:51 EDT HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com wrote:

> Hello Suzanne,
> I´ve found in my databases the following:
> 1)
> 1705 h 23. 6. Johan Christoph Stoever und seine Frau Catharine Margarethe 
> Dircks. BG: 8 RT. KB Oldenburg: + KB Wardenburg: Johann Christoffer Stoever, 
> S. von Anton Günther St., Pastor in Wardenburg, oo Wardenburg 13.11.1701 
> Catharina Margreta Dircksen, T. von + Johann D., Einnehmer in Kleinenkneten. 
> KB Wardenburg: ~ 8.1.1672 Wardenburg, Johann Christoph, S. Anton Günther Stoev
> er u. Anna, geb. Barelmann, Wardenburg. KB Wildeshausen: Beginn: 1678. Taufe 
> der Ehefrau nicht nachzuweisen.
> 2)
> 1713 a 13. 6. Johan Christian Stoever, * Delmenhorst. BG: 6 RT. KB Oldenburg: 
> Johann Christian Stoever, S. von + Lorenz St., Schuster in Delmenhorst, oo 
> 31.8.1713 Margareta Elisabeth (Eilers), Witwe von Peter Wolff, 
> Schloessermeister. s. 1703 e, 1727 f.
> 3)
> 1727 f 17. 6. Herman Reider, Schmiedegeselle. BG: 5 RT. KB Oldenburg: Hermann 
> Reuter, Bürger und Schloesserzunftmeister, von Bahrenburg, oo 10.10.1727 
> Magreta Elisabeth (Eilers), Witwe von Johann Christian Stoever. s. 1703 e, 
> 1713 a.
> 
> To translate something please ask me. Stover is the same as Stoever in 
> germany.
> By, by, an´d good luck   Harry-Bo...
> 
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203 Morris Hall Minnesota State University Mankato MN 56001
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Re: [OL]SCHWARTING

Date: 2000/10/04 22:56:09
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Sara,
please forgive my bad english.
I live in Oldenburg-Country near Varel and here are many old factories which
produce bricks to build houses. One of theese factories name is "Carl
Schwarting".
In the telefonbook of Varel are several families "Schwarting"wrote down.

Anneliese






Re: [OL]SCHWARTING

Date: 2000/10/05 00:37:23
From: SJMNauman <SJMNauman(a)cs.com>

Thank you, Anneliese.   Sara


Re: [OL]Auskunft

Date: 2000/10/05 09:17:43
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

Hello Peter,

I use Brother's Keeper and I can open Gedcom file with that.
The Date format I use is month-date-year as in Oct 05 2000.

Josie


From: Peter Stuntebeck <peter.stuntebeck(a)gmx.de>
Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
To: Oldenburger <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [OL]Auskunft
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:29:48 +0200

Hallo aus Steinfeld,
Mit welcher Genealogischen Software lassen sich GED-COM oder sonstige
Datei Formate zusammenfügen ?

Gruß
Peter


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[OL]Archive Research

Date: 2000/10/05 18:01:17
From: Norman Brennecke <nb007(a)mindspring.com>

I am very new on this list. I have gr-grandparents from Gross Stavern /
Sögel and Stapelfeld/ Cloppenburg. I would like to get copies of birth
documents (about 1842) on them and their siblings, and birth and marriage
documents on their parents. The archives people seem unwilling to do very
much research. Can anyone recommend a reliable, reasonable researcher who
covers both of these adjacent areas (Osnabrück and Münster diocesan
districts)?

Would appreciate your help.

Norm B.





Re: [OL]Archive Research

Date: 2000/10/05 18:12:15
From: GENE JANSSEN <jansseng(a)email.msn.com>

Norman:
I don't have any names to suggest, but. .
There usually are only records of births, marriages, etc. in entries in
record books--don't expect certificates or official documents like we find
at courthouses here in the U.S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Brennecke <nb007(a)mindspring.com>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:47 AM
Subject: [OL]Archive Research


>I am very new on this list. I have gr-grandparents from Gross Stavern /
>Sögel and Stapelfeld/ Cloppenburg. I would like to get copies of birth
>documents (about 1842) on them and their siblings, and birth and marriage
>documents on their parents. The archives people seem unwilling to do very
>much research. Can anyone recommend a reliable, reasonable researcher who
>covers both of these adjacent areas (Osnabrück and Münster diocesan
>districts)?
>
>Would appreciate your help.
>
>Norm B.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [OL]Archive Research

Date: 2000/10/05 18:38:42
From: Norman Brennecke <nb007(a)mindspring.com>

Yes, photos of the entry pages are all I need (providing I can read the
handwriting).

Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: GENE JANSSEN <jansseng(a)email.msn.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]Archive Research


> Norman:
> I don't have any names to suggest, but. .
> There usually are only records of births, marriages, etc. in entries in
> record books--don't expect certificates or official documents like we
find
> at courthouses here in the U.S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Norman Brennecke <nb007(a)mindspring.com>
> To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: Thursday, October 05, 2000 10:47 AM
> Subject: [OL]Archive Research
>
>
> >I am very new on this list. I have gr-grandparents from Gross Stavern /
> >Sögel and Stapelfeld/ Cloppenburg. I would like to get copies of birth
> >documents (about 1842) on them and their siblings, and birth and
marriage
> >documents on their parents. The archives people seem unwilling to do
very
> >much research. Can anyone recommend a reliable, reasonable researcher
who
> >covers both of these adjacent areas (Osnabrück and Münster diocesan
> >districts)?
> >
> >Would appreciate your help.
> >
> >Norm B.
> >




Re: [OL]Archive Research

Date: 2000/10/05 19:49:24
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

You should write to Falk Liebezeit, he is a professional researcher.

The email address is:  falkliebe(a)t-online.de

The catholic church books of Oldenburg region are archived in Offizialat Archive in Vechta:
 (FJBohlke(a)BMO-Vechta.de)


> I am very new on this list. I have gr-grandparents from Gross Stavern /
> Sögel and Stapelfeld/ Cloppenburg. I would like to get copies of birth
> documents (about 1842) on them and their siblings, and birth and marriage
> documents on their parents. The archives people seem unwilling to do very
> much research. Can anyone recommend a reliable, reasonable researcher who
> covers both of these adjacent areas (Osnabrück and Münster diocesan
> districts)?

> Would appreciate your help.

> Norm B.




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[OL]Fw: MICROFICHES/Vechte

Date: 2000/10/05 19:49:26
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Betty Krull wrote,
near to the Netherland boarder in Germany you can find the village "Vechte".
Anyone searched for this place and all says it must be Vechta in Oldenburg.

It called Laar-Vechte and is located in Nordhorn county.

Werner

--- HIER BEGINNT DIE WEITERGELEITETE NACHRICHT ------------------------------
    Von: e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl (Betty Krull)
  Datum: 05.10.00, 11:43:41
Betreff: MICROFICHES/Vechte


http://www.obd.nl/instel/arch/dtb/dtbm.htm#laar



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Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/06 05:43:04
From: Paula Dewet <dewet(a)hsc.usc.edu>

Hello Lloyd,

This is the most exciting offer I have had in a long time.  Unfortunately
I do not have any dates and the rest of my information is also very
vague.  The first Stover in South Africa is Willem Stover, sometimes
listed as William Stover.  He listed Oldenburg, Germany as his place
of birth.  He left his job in SA in 1895 due to ill-health.  I might add that
this is the only Stover family in SA.

Another point of interest is that an American barque-rigged sailing
ship called "H.D. Stover" sailed from New York to Durban, South Africa
with a full general cargo on March 26, 1878.  I have documents
regarding the wreck of this barque near the Durban harbor on approximately
the 4th of August 1878.  I also have relatives with the H.D. initials - Heinrich
Diederich.  As no information could be found regarding Willem's arrival in SA,
I wondered whether he maybe arrived on this ship.  This time frame also fits
in with the birth date of my gfather (1883).  Willem was apparently one of 3
sons - the one settled in the US and the 3rd one was killed in a war.  I also
found a form completed by a Prisoner of War in SA, age 20, by the name of
Gustav Wilhelm Heinrich Stover.  The form was completed on 17/4/1915 and
he gives his address as Konig strasse 22, Altona, Prussia.

This is all I have.  Anything you could help me with would be greatly
appreciated!!!

Thank you again so much for your generous offer.

Regards,
Paula

   I have several Stoever, Stover or Stöver as well as other spellings that are in
   the Oldenburg area. Please give me some names and dates. I will then see if
   there is a hit.




[OL]Info Family Weyhausen

Date: 2000/10/06 06:11:30
From: JOHNWEY <JOHNWEY(a)cs.com>

Hallo und Moin, Moin, 

Ich heiss John Weyhausen von New York.  Mein Vater war Johann Dietrich 
Weyhausen geb. 16 Feb 1907 in Iprump (Delmenhorst) und gesterben in NY
am 8 Juli 1969.  Er war der sohn von Johann Dietrich Weyhausen und Catherine 
Mathilde Weyhausen (geb. Belsemeyer).  Nur für mich und meine Mutter und 
Bruder, meine ganze Familie leben jetzt schon in Delmenhorst und Ganderkesee. 
 Aber nur für die drei söhne (meine Cousinen) von die jünste halb-schwester 
von ihm, kenn ich niemand.  Vergeben sie mich das mein Deutsch so schlecht 
ist (ich bin in New York geborn aber in Herz bin ich ein Oldenburger für 
immer).  Haben sie etwas information von meine Familie?  Ich habe ein 
Stammbaum von die Envangelische Kirche Hasbergen aber kein info von anderer 
von mein Familie von Delmenhorst und umgebung.  Ich weiss das der erste 
Weyhausen war Carsten Weyhausen und wir alle von ihm komm.

viele dank,
John Weyhausen


Re: [OL]Ehben/Giesselmann

Date: 2000/10/06 11:32:13
From: haemoglobin <haemoglobin(a)myokay.net>

Hallo Liste,

leider habe ich alle meine Wardenburger Daten von Herrn Meiners und er wußte
auch nicht woher dieser A. Gießelmann kommt und in der OGF-Bibliothek fand
ich bis jetzt auch nichts.
Schade.

Marius Ricker, Osna

----- Original Message -----
From: <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Ehben/Giesselmann


> Hallo Marius,
> unser Nachbar hat den kompletten Datensatz der Gemeinde Wardenburg in
seinem
> PC. Du kannst ja mal bei ihm direkt anfragen. Hier die Adresse:
> Erich Marten, Ammerländerstr. 77, 26203 Wardenburg / Westerholt
> Gruß Harry-Bo...
>
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[OL]EHLERS from Oldenburg

Date: 2000/10/06 16:34:57
From: Vwatts75 <Vwatts75(a)aol.com>

I would appreciate any help.  Forgive me for including some unproven 
information, but in some areas, family stories are all I have.  I am looking 
for information about EHLERS from Oldenburg.  My great grandfather Gerhard 
EHLERS came to Texas, USA, as a child. Later Census records show he came in 
1881, but I have not found any passenger records yet to support this.  Family 
sources say he came without his family.  He was born Feb. 15, 1872, in 
Oldenburg (according to his death certificate).  He would have been only 9 
years old at the time of the trip, which agrees with family stories.  I am 
told that his family came over to Texas shortly afterward, but that his 
mother died during the trip and was buried at sea.  According to Gerhard's 
death certificate, his father's name was F. J. EHLERS and his mother's name 
was Margaret (her maiden name was not listed).  Sadly, I am told he never was 
located by his father after the father arrived in Texas.  The father later 
remarried and settled somewhere around Shiner, Texas. Gerhard EHLERS 
supposedly lived with different families after arriving in Texas, eventually 
working for my great great grandparents, Wilhelm LEBKOWSKY and Agnes HEINE 
LEBKOWSKY.  He later married their daughter, Marie LEBKOWSKY (my great 
grandmother). They settled in Falls Co., TX and lived there until they died.
Does anyone have any information about F. J. EHLERS and wife  Margaret from 
Oldenburg, who would have had at least one son, Gerhard EHLERS? I don't know 
if there were any other siblings at that time. 
Thanks so much,
Vicki (EHLERS) Watts


Re: [OL]EHLERS from Oldenburg

Date: 2000/10/06 17:14:38
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello Vicki,
I found two EHLERS in my Oldenburg database. Here they are:
1)
09.05.1724  Hans Christoffer Ehlers. Buergergeld: 3 Reichstaler. Kirchenbuch 
Oldenburg: Johann Christoph Ellers, Bürger und Zimmermeister in Oldenburg, oo 
12.10.1724 Elisabeth Maria Emken, Tochter von Anton Emken, Bürger und 
Mauermeister in Oldenburg.
2)
04.09.1739  N.N., Frau von Lübbe Christoffer Neuenburg. Buergergeld: 
geschenkt. Kirchenbuch Oldenburg: Catharina Elisabeth Ehlers, Tochter von + 
Hinrich Ehlers, Organist in Neuenhuntorf, oo 2.4.1739 Lübbe Christoph 
Neuenburg, Kupferschläger, Sohn von + L(übbe) C(hristoph) N., Ratsverwandter.

Have you problems to translation that, please recall me.
Good luck Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Archive Research

Date: 2000/10/06 18:47:13
From: Nlment <Nlment(a)aol.com>

Does he do non-Catholic research as well?  Thank you.

Norma McGarrey

In a message dated 10/05/2000 10:37:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de writes:

<< You should write to Falk Liebezeit, he is a professional researcher. >>


Re: [OL]Archive Research

Date: 2000/10/06 19:47:30
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Falk Liebezeit did some research for me. You can ask him everyhing if you
pay his expenses.
Falks e-mail adres was   N-Diepholz(a)eure.de I didn't checked this. But you
also find him on some german genealogy sites.

A good guy.




[OL]Help!

Date: 2000/10/06 20:18:54
From: Lynngns <Lynngns(a)aol.com>

I am new to subscribing to the Oldenburg list. How do I list my surnames? 
Thanks.
Lynn



Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/07 00:58:58
From: haemoglobin <haemoglobin(a)myokay.net>

Dear Paula,

I have also several Stoevers in my database. Most of them 1840`s to 1898
You can find them at:  www.mariusricker.de/surnames.htm

Greetings
Marius


----- Original Message -----
From: Paula Dewet <dewet(a)hsc.usc.edu>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]Re: Stover


> Hello Lloyd,
>
> This is the most exciting offer I have had in a long time.  Unfortunately
> I do not have any dates and the rest of my information is also very
> vague.  The first Stover in South Africa is Willem Stover, sometimes
> listed as William Stover.  He listed Oldenburg, Germany as his place
> of birth.  He left his job in SA in 1895 due to ill-health.  I might add
that
> this is the only Stover family in SA.
>
> Another point of interest is that an American barque-rigged sailing
> ship called "H.D. Stover" sailed from New York to Durban, South Africa
> with a full general cargo on March 26, 1878.  I have documents
> regarding the wreck of this barque near the Durban harbor on approximately
> the 4th of August 1878.  I also have relatives with the H.D. initials -
Heinrich
> Diederich.  As no information could be found regarding Willem's arrival in
SA,
> I wondered whether he maybe arrived on this ship.  This time frame also
fits
> in with the birth date of my gfather (1883).  Willem was apparently one of
3
> sons - the one settled in the US and the 3rd one was killed in a war.  I
also
> found a form completed by a Prisoner of War in SA, age 20, by the name of
> Gustav Wilhelm Heinrich Stover.  The form was completed on 17/4/1915 and
> he gives his address as Konig strasse 22, Altona, Prussia.
>
> This is all I have.  Anything you could help me with would be greatly
> appreciated!!!
>
> Thank you again so much for your generous offer.
>
> Regards,
> Paula
>
>    I have several Stoever, Stover or Stöver as well as other spellings
that are in
>    the Oldenburg area. Please give me some names and dates. I will then
see if
>    there is a hit.
>
>
>
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Re: [OL]EHLERS from Oldenburg

Date: 2000/10/07 01:19:37
From: Maude Ann Gilmore <mag42(a)airmail.net>

At 09:20 AM 10/6/00 Friday, you wrote:
I would appreciate any help.

I'm sorry I can't offer any information on your Ehlers; however, there is an Ehlers connection in my father's line. I hope I don't add to the confusion--

Anna Blessen, daughter of Johann Gerhard Blessen and Helene Sophie Wimme, married Heinrich Ehlers Sept. 16, 1887. Heinrich was born Sept. 10, 1864 and died April 5, 1914. Both the Blessen and Ehlers families lived in Oldenburg.

I am corresponding with a distant relative (he lives in Westerstede) who is trying to research the Blessen/Ehlers connection. I will give him your information in my next letter and will keep you posted on any information he may provide.

Please, remember me as you continue to discover facts about the Ehlers of Oldenburg.

Maude Ann
Plano, TX




[OL]Rueter, Ruter, Rueter

Date: 2000/10/07 13:19:45
From: Franz Felschen <mail(a)felschen-haseluenne.de>

Ich suche Vorfahren der Familie Rüter:
1)
Bernd Heinrich Rüter, geb. in Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg, Datum nicht
bekannt;
verheiratet ca. 1809/1810 mit Maria Adelheid von der Haar, Ort nicht
bekannt, vermutlich Brickwedde bei Ankum.
Sein Vater war vermutlich Heinrich Hermann Rüter (2)
2)
Heinrich Hermann Rüter, geb. 21.4.1744, Geburtsort nicht bekannt
Eltern: Bernd Rüter und Grete Richelmann

-----------

Also I am searching for Johann Heinrich Rüter, born Nov 2, 1872 in
Doellinghausen parish Merzen, near Osnabrueck, Germany.
He migrated to Cincinnati, Ohio. I don't know, how his name has been
Americanized: Ruter or Rueter.
Does someone know descendants of him?

Franz





Re: [OL]Archive Research

Date: 2000/10/07 16:15:09
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Yes Falk Liebezeit research all sources, but must tell him which kind of religion it is.

email: falkliebe(a)t-online.de


> Does he do non-Catholic research as well?  Thank you.

> Norma McGarrey

> In a message dated 10/05/2000 10:37:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de writes:

> << You should write to Falk Liebezeit, he is a professional researcher. >>

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Re: [OL]Rueter, Ruter, Rueter

Date: 2000/10/07 17:20:30
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hallo Franz,
In den " Bürgeraufnahmen in Oldenburg 1607-1740" habe ich nur einen Hinweis 
zu dem Namen RÜTER... gefunden. Hier ist er:
1)
24.11.1663 Herman Rüter, von der Auwburg, gewesener Corporal. Bürgergeld: 4 
RT.
KB Oldenburg: Trauung und Taufen der Kinder nicht nachzuweisen.

Ich hoffe, daß dieses Puzzelteil irgendwann mal passt.
MfG Harry-Bo...




Re: [OL]Help!

Date: 2000/10/07 19:01:24
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 6 Oct 2000, at 14:04, Lynngns(a)aol.com wrote:

> I am new to subscribing to the Oldenburg list. How do I list my
> surnames? Thanks. Lynn

This is not really a surname listing service. Of course you can ask 
about any of your connections to ancestry in Oldenburg but the list 
is more or less a continuing education forum in the history and 
genealogy of the people of the former Grand Duchy of Oldenburg.

Fred


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941-775-7838
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Re: [OL]Help!

Date: 2000/10/07 19:12:53
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello Lyn,
which surnames are interessting from Oldenburg ? We`ll try to help you ?
Till next time Harry-Bo...


[OL]Hillers & Fritsch, from Oldenburg, 1866

Date: 2000/10/07 22:33:09
From: Cloudhoper <Cloudhoper(a)aol.com>

I seek information on my G grandparents, Francis Albert and Johanna (nee 
Hillers) Fritsch, who seemed to have married in the province of Oldenburg in 
1864/5 and came to the U. S., to Goodhue Co., Minnesota, in 1866, by way of 
the port of Bremerhaven, Hanover (?), on the ship Humboldt. In the U. S. 
census of 1880, Johanna said she was born in the province of Oldenburg but 
her husband, an engineer, was born in Prussia.  


[OL]Re: EHLERS from Oldenburg

Date: 2000/10/08 03:52:00
From: Vwatts75 <Vwatts75(a)aol.com>

Thanks so much to Harold and Maude Ann for answering my query.  Harold, I 
haven't gotten back to the 1700's yet so I'll have to save that information 
for now.  I'll check to see if any of those church records are available at 
the Family History Library.      I don't speak German, but I am learning to 
read it.  I have been researching church records for the church in Levern, 
Westfalen, for my Niemeyer family.  Slowly I am learning the language.  Maude 
Ann, yours is closer to my dates, and I am also in Texas,  so hopefully we 
can find something here that may connect them.
Keep me in mind.  Thanks again,
Vicki (EHLERS) Watts

In a message dated 10/7/2000 4:48:28 AM Central Daylight Time, 
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:

<< 
 Message: 3
 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 10:45:04 EDT
 To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
 Subject: Re: [OL]EHLERS from Oldenburg
 From: HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com
 Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
 
 Hello Vicki,
 I found two EHLERS in my Oldenburg database. Here they are:
 1)
 09.05.1724  Hans Christoffer Ehlers. Buergergeld: 3 Reichstaler. Kirchenbuch 
 Oldenburg: Johann Christoph Ellers, Bürger und Zimmermeister in Oldenburg, 
oo 
 12.10.1724 Elisabeth Maria Emken, Tochter von Anton Emken, Bürger und 
 Mauermeister in Oldenburg.
 2)
 04.09.1739  N.N., Frau von Lübbe Christoffer Neuenburg. Buergergeld: 
 geschenkt. Kirchenbuch Oldenburg: Catharina Elisabeth Ehlers, Tochter von + 
 Hinrich Ehlers, Organist in Neuenhuntorf, oo 2.4.1739 Lübbe Christoph 
 Neuenburg, Kupferschläger, Sohn von + L(übbe) C(hristoph) N., Ratsverwandter.
 
 Have you problems to translation that, please recall me.
 Good luck Harry-Bo...
  >>
<<Message: 7
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:59:21 -0500
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL]EHLERS from Oldenburg
From: Maude Ann Gilmore <mag42(a)airmail.net>
Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net

At 09:20 AM 10/6/00 Friday, you wrote:
>I would appreciate any help.

I'm sorry I can't offer any information on your Ehlers; however, there is 
an Ehlers connection in my father's line.  I hope I don't add to the 
confusion--

Anna Blessen, daughter of Johann Gerhard Blessen and Helene Sophie Wimme, 
married Heinrich Ehlers Sept. 16, 1887.  Heinrich was born Sept. 10, 1864 
and died April 5, 1914.  Both the Blessen and Ehlers families lived in 
Oldenburg.

I am corresponding with a distant relative (he lives in Westerstede) who is 
trying to research the Blessen/Ehlers connection.  I will give him your 
information in my next letter and will keep you posted on any information 
he may provide.

Please, remember me as you continue to discover facts about the Ehlers of 
Oldenburg.

Maude Ann
Plano, TX>>


Re: [OL]Rueter, Ruter, Rueter

Date: 2000/10/08 08:15:51
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Die katholischen Kirchenbücher von Neuenkirchen sind im Offizialt Archiv in Vechta einzusehen, die Evangelischen direkt beim Pastor in Neuenkirchen, gegenüber der evang. Kirche.
Für die Gemeinde Ankum gibt Unterstützung:

Margret von der Haar
Pommersche Str.27
49593 Bersenbrück

Telf. 05439 1635

DM 15,00 Stunde


> Ich suche Vorfahren der Familie Rüter:
> 1)
> Bernd Heinrich Rüter, geb. in Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg, Datum nicht
> bekannt;
> verheiratet ca. 1809/1810 mit Maria Adelheid von der Haar, Ort nicht
> bekannt, vermutlich Brickwedde bei Ankum.
> Sein Vater war vermutlich Heinrich Hermann Rüter (2)
> 2)
> Heinrich Hermann Rüter, geb. 21.4.1744, Geburtsort nicht bekannt
> Eltern: Bernd Rüter und Grete Richelmann

> -----------

> Also I am searching for Johann Heinrich Rüter, born Nov 2, 1872 in
> Doellinghausen parish Merzen, near Osnabrueck, Germany.
> He migrated to Cincinnati, Ohio. I don't know, how his name has been
> Americanized: Ruter or Rueter.
> Does someone know descendants of him?

> Franz




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[OL]Grossenkneten

Date: 2000/10/08 11:24:19
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Hallo in die Runde,

sucht jemand in Großenkneten? Eine Forscherkollegin sucht dort nach
Witholt/Wittholz  und hat mich gebeten, in der Oldenburger Liste mal zu
fragen. Sie schrieb mir wie folgt:


Ich habe eine AL in Großenkeneten, aber noch keinen Anschluß zu unseren
Zieglermeistern (3 Brüdern) die um 1750/60 geboren sind und Ende des
18. Jhdts. in Mecklenburg-Strelitz auftauchten. Eine Spur führt u.a. nach
Ueckermünde (Schäfermeister), eine nach Hinterpommern (Arrendatoren)
und eine nach Großenkneten (Bauern).

Höfeliste Großenkneten (GrK):
1534 Wytteholsche, Grete
1568 de Witteholsche
1664 G. Wittehol
1750 Johann Wietholl

(und der von Dir gefundene Eintrag im Oldenburger Traubuch)
Ficke, Oltmann, Ww. oo 12.02.1688 Hemke Witholt (Johann Wittholt
in Großenkneten)

Withollen, Johann Bernhard, Bauer in GrK oo Ann Trine Könemann
Eltern  des
Wittholt, Johann Behrend, Bauer * GrK 23.01.1800
oo GrK 26.11.1822 Anna Maria Hellebusch (* GK 23.11.1791)
Eltern des
Witthold, Johann Hinrich, Bauer in GrK * GrK 02.03.1828
oo GrK 26.11.1852 Gesche Margarthe Bruns.

Es gab also eine lange Zeit in Großenkneten eine Bauernfamilie Wittholt,
an einem Hof soll noch heute der Name zu lesen sein.
Ich suche also weitere Mitglieder der Familie Wittholt in und um Großen-
kneten, um die Liste zu vervollständigen.

Herzliche Grüße und  vielen Dank für Deine Hilfe,
Ingeburg
wittholz-(a)t-online.de
________________________________________
suche weltweit Wittholz--Wietholz--Witholt--Wietholt

Über eine Antwort würde ich mich sehr freuen.

Mit vielen Grüßen - Karin
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[OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/08 13:07:52
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I use the program "Ahnengalerie" for my genealogy data-base. It is very large now, and I would like split some family branches in different files.
I can create GEDCOM-file, but it is not able to select a branche from this.

Knows somebody a program to split a GEDCOM file ?

Thank you,
Werner

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[OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/08 13:54:27
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Hallo Werner,

mit welcher Version arbeitest du denn? Es gibt 1.6, 2.0 (damit arbeite ich)
und 3.0, ganz neu rausgekommen und offensichtlich ein Flopp. Es wird deshalb
schon an einer 4er-Version "gebastelt". Es gibt mittlerweile eine
Ahnengalerie-Mailingliste, die zur Zeit sehr aktiv ist. Ich weiß leider
nicht mehr, wie ich mich dort angemeldet habe, ggf. wende dich an
sascha(a)ziegler.net

Solltest du mit der 2.0-Version arbeiten, kann ich dir vielleicht helfen.

Viele Grüße - Karin

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Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:53 PM
Subject: [OL]Genealogy Program


> I use the program "Ahnengalerie" for my genealogy data-base. It is very
large now, and I would like split some family branches in different files.
> I can create GEDCOM-file, but it is not able to select a branche from
this.
>
> Knows somebody a program to split a GEDCOM file ?
>
> Thank you,
> Werner
>
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Re: [OL]Grossenkneten

Date: 2000/10/08 15:31:27
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hallo Karin,
Ich hab ein paar Sachen aus der Großenkneter Kronik herausgesucht:
1)
1539 plünderten Oldenburger Landsknechte Großenkneten. Aus der Schadensliste:
Dirick WITTEHOLLE (Lehms 2) wurde zwei Betten und zwei Truhen abgenommen. 
Summe 8 Taler.
2)
17.04.1839 Brandkatastrophe in Großenkneten. Eintrag der Brandkasse:
Johann Bernd WITTHOLT, Halbmeier, Lehms 2, 1 Wohnhaus 400 Rthlr., 1 Nebenhaus 
(Heuerhaus) 60 Rthlr., 1 Scheune 40 Rthlr., Gesamt: 500 Rthlr.
3)
Im 1700 Jahrhundert wurden Zollstellen an private Zolleinnehmer verpachtet:
Pächter in der Vogt zu Großenkneten und Huntlosen: Johann WITTEHOLL, Lehms 2, 
Pacht: 6 Taler und 36 Grote.
4)
1782 festgestellte Hofgrößen in Großenkneten:
Joh. Berend WITHOLT, Lehms 2 , 3 Mold und 0 Scheffel.
5)
1806:Haus w, Lübbe Sander, Heuermann (Haus w ist auf der Karte nicht zu 
finden). Zu dieser Zeit wird der Sohn Johann Gerd Sander (1764-1841), der ein 
Jahr nach dem Tod seines Vaters im Jahr 1794 Cath. Marg. WITTHOLD aus 
Großenkneten heiratete, die elterliche Behausung bewohnt haben. 4 Kinder: 
Gerd Hinrich (1795-1856), Harm Hinrich (1798-1871), Cath. Marg. (1801-1894), 
Hinrich (1808-1873).
6)
1890 erwarb Heinrich Wilhelm Ahrens ein 1839 erbautes Heuerhaus mit 
Gartenland von WITTHOLD. Eingang zur Strasse "Zum Hogenesch".
7)
Johann Friedrich WITTHOLD verkaufte 1889 seine Hofstelle, Lehms 2, und baute 
auf seinem Land ein neues Wohnhaus, Lehms 10, auf. Brandkassennr. 39 wurde 
vom alten Hof mitgenommen. Von dem alten WITTHOLT Hof wurden 2 Schafställe 
übernommen; einer wurde 1903 abgebrochen. Das Wohnhaus wurde 1897 verkauft.
8)
Am 03.05.1934 wurde die Raiffeisen Viehverwertung Großenkneten gegründet. Im 
Aufsichtsrat saß Bauer Heinrich WITTHOLD, Sage.

Das sollte für heute genügen (Keine Zeit mehr). Ich habe aber noch mehr über 
dem Stammhof WITTEHOLD. Für Bilder etc. bitte an mich direkt wenden. Bis zum 
nächsten mal. (haraldbohlemann(a)aol.com)
MfG
Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Hillers & Fritsch, from Oldenburg, 1866

Date: 2000/10/08 15:42:02
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello, one database founded in Oldenburg about Hillers:

1714 h 1.11. Anna Rebecca von Bassen, Frau von Herman Hillers. BG: 8 RT. KB 
Oldenburg: Rebecca von Bassen, T. von + Gerhardus v. B., Pastor in Holle, oo 
21.9.1713 Hermann Hilbers, S. von + Hermann H., Bürger.

So long Harry-Bo...



Re: [OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/08 16:09:18
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Karin,
vielen Dank für Deine schnelle Antwort.
Ich pflege meinen Daten mit der ersten Version von "Ahnengalerie", zuverlässig und gute grafische Darstellung der Nachfahren.
Mit der Version 2.0 hatte ich Schwierigkeiten bei der Verknüpfung der Eltern/Kinder Daten, außerdem fand ich die grafische Darstellung nicht so gut.
Dennoch Vorteile bei den Listauswertungen und der Website Erstellung. Dafür überführe ich dann jeweils die Daten nach 2.0.
Aber eine Möglichkeit zum splitten von Daten habe ich nicht gefunden, hast Du dazu einen Tip?

Viele Grüße von Werner


> Hallo Werner,

> mit welcher Version arbeitest du denn? Es gibt 1.6, 2.0 (damit arbeite
> ich)
> und 3.0, ganz neu rausgekommen und offensichtlich ein Flopp. Es wird
> deshalb
> schon an einer 4er-Version "gebastelt". Es gibt mittlerweile eine
> Ahnengalerie-Mailingliste, die zur Zeit sehr aktiv ist. Ich weiß leider
> nicht mehr, wie ich mich dort angemeldet habe, ggf. wende dich an
> sascha(a)ziegler.net

> Solltest du mit der 2.0-Version arbeiten, kann ich dir vielleicht helfen.

> Viele Grüße - Karin

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> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:53 PM
> Subject: [OL]Genealogy Program


>> I use the program "Ahnengalerie" for my genealogy data-base. It is very
> large now, and I would like split some family branches in different files.
>> I can create GEDCOM-file, but it is not able to select a branche from
> this.
>>
>> Knows somebody a program to split a GEDCOM file ?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Werner
>>
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[OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/08 19:47:55
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Hallo Werner,

da du also Ahnengalerie2.0 hast, dann kann ich dir einen äußerst primitiven,
schon auch etwas zeitaufwendigen, aber wirkungsvollen Vorschlag machen:
Kopiere die gedcom-Dateien ein paar Male, benenne sie unterschiedlich. Und
dann lösche einfach alle Familienbeziehungen, die du in der jeweiligen Datei
nicht mehr haben willst.

Ich bin anfangs den umgekehrten Weg gegangen: Ich habe verschiedene Dateien
angelegt, je nach Familie. Das war mir aber ab irgendwann zu mühsehlig, die
jeweilige Datei zu öffnen, um irgendwelche Änderungen anzubringen. Oft genug
gab es ja auch Überschneidungen, da hätte ich Änderungen in verschiedenen
Dateien anbringen müssen. Da habe ich dann sämtliche Dateien
zusammengeführt. Im nachhinein würde ich es höchstens auch nur noch
unterscheiden zwischen den Ahnen meiner Mutter und meines Vaters. Da ich von
meiner Mutters Seite (die Tschechei ist zu weit weg) aber so gut wie gar
nichts erforscht habe, lohnt sich das nicht. Warum planst du das?

Ich habe noch nie von einem Programm gehört, das die Aufgabe erfüllen kann,
bestimmte Familienzweige automatisch voneinander zu trennen. Wenn du meinst,
es könnte eines geben: Ich kenne einige Programmierer und habe eh vor, in
eine Computermailingliste einzusteigen. Soll ich einfach mal für dich
fragen?

Viele Grüße - Karin (Und Harald herzlichen Dank, ich habe die Infos
weitergeleitet. Ingeburg wird sich sicher an dich wenden)


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From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Genealogy Program


Hallo Karin,
vielen Dank für Deine schnelle Antwort.
Ich pflege meinen Daten mit der ersten Version von "Ahnengalerie",
zuverlässig und gute grafische Darstellung der Nachfahren.
Mit der Version 2.0 hatte ich Schwierigkeiten bei der Verknüpfung der
Eltern/Kinder Daten, außerdem fand ich die grafische Darstellung nicht so
gut.
Dennoch Vorteile bei den Listauswertungen und der Website Erstellung. Dafür
überführe ich dann jeweils die Daten nach 2.0.
Aber eine Möglichkeit zum splitten von Daten habe ich nicht gefunden, hast
Du dazu einen Tip?

Viele Grüße von Werner


> Hallo Werner,

> mit welcher Version arbeitest du denn? Es gibt 1.6, 2.0 (damit arbeite
> ich)
> und 3.0, ganz neu rausgekommen und offensichtlich ein Flopp. Es wird
> deshalb
> schon an einer 4er-Version "gebastelt". Es gibt mittlerweile eine
> Ahnengalerie-Mailingliste, die zur Zeit sehr aktiv ist. Ich weiß leider
> nicht mehr, wie ich mich dort angemeldet habe, ggf. wende dich an
> sascha(a)ziegler.net

> Solltest du mit der 2.0-Version arbeiten, kann ich dir vielleicht helfen.

> Viele Grüße - Karin

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:53 PM
> Subject: [OL]Genealogy Program


>> I use the program "Ahnengalerie" for my genealogy data-base. It is very
> large now, and I would like split some family branches in different files.
>> I can create GEDCOM-file, but it is not able to select a branche from
> this.
>>
>> Knows somebody a program to split a GEDCOM file ?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Werner
>>
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Re: [OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/08 19:57:58
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Moin,
ich arbeite mit Brother's Keeper, und damit kann ich ohne Probleme
'Datensatz teilen' anwählen und den geteilten Datensatz dann nach GEDCOM
exportieren.
Grüße
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Sonntag, 8. Oktober 2000 15:56
Betreff: Re: [OL]Genealogy Program


>Hallo Karin,
>vielen Dank für Deine schnelle Antwort.
>Ich pflege meinen Daten mit der ersten Version von "Ahnengalerie",
zuverlässig und gute grafische Darstellung der Nachfahren.
>Mit der Version 2.0 hatte ich Schwierigkeiten bei der Verknüpfung der
Eltern/Kinder Daten, außerdem fand ich die grafische Darstellung nicht so
gut.
>Dennoch Vorteile bei den Listauswertungen und der Website Erstellung. Dafür
überführe ich dann jeweils die Daten nach 2.0.
>Aber eine Möglichkeit zum splitten von Daten habe ich nicht gefunden, hast
Du dazu einen Tip?
>
>Viele Grüße von Werner
>
>
>> Hallo Werner,
>
>> mit welcher Version arbeitest du denn? Es gibt 1.6, 2.0 (damit arbeite
>> ich)
>> und 3.0, ganz neu rausgekommen und offensichtlich ein Flopp. Es wird
>> deshalb
>> schon an einer 4er-Version "gebastelt". Es gibt mittlerweile eine
>> Ahnengalerie-Mailingliste, die zur Zeit sehr aktiv ist. Ich weiß leider
>> nicht mehr, wie ich mich dort angemeldet habe, ggf. wende dich an
>> sascha(a)ziegler.net
>
>> Solltest du mit der 2.0-Version arbeiten, kann ich dir vielleicht helfen.
>
>> Viele Grüße - Karin
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Karin Jacob - Skalitzer Str. 54b - 10997 Berlin - Tel./Fax: 030/611 63 73
>> karinjacob(a)snafu.de - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/9580
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
>> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:53 PM
>> Subject: [OL]Genealogy Program
>
>
>>> I use the program "Ahnengalerie" for my genealogy data-base. It is very
>> large now, and I would like split some family branches in different
files.
>>> I can create GEDCOM-file, but it is not able to select a branche from
>> this.
>>>
>>> Knows somebody a program to split a GEDCOM file ?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Werner
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> Ziegelhofstr. 35B         |Homepage:  www.honkomp-oldenburg.de
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[OL]genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/08 20:35:12
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Hallo Heiko,

das interessiert mich näher. Verstehe ich richtig: Man teilt meinetwegen den
Datendsatz der Mutter von dem Datensatz des Vaters mit allen Verbindungen,
exportiert also nur einen Teil der Daten und schon habe ich eine neue Datei?
Datensätze teilen an sich kann ich auch, aber Teile nicht exportieren.
Entweder alles oder gar nichts. So ist jedenfalls mein Kenntnisstand meines
Programms. Aber man lernt ja immer dazu.

Viele Grüße - Karin
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----- Original Message -----
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Genealogy Program


Moin,
ich arbeite mit Brother's Keeper, und damit kann ich ohne Probleme
'Datensatz teilen' anwählen und den geteilten Datensatz dann nach GEDCOM
exportieren.
Grüße
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Sonntag, 8. Oktober 2000 15:56
Betreff: Re: [OL]Genealogy Program


>Hallo Karin,
>vielen Dank für Deine schnelle Antwort.
>Ich pflege meinen Daten mit der ersten Version von "Ahnengalerie",
zuverlässig und gute grafische Darstellung der Nachfahren.
>Mit der Version 2.0 hatte ich Schwierigkeiten bei der Verknüpfung der
Eltern/Kinder Daten, außerdem fand ich die grafische Darstellung nicht so
gut.
>Dennoch Vorteile bei den Listauswertungen und der Website Erstellung. Dafür
überführe ich dann jeweils die Daten nach 2.0.
>Aber eine Möglichkeit zum splitten von Daten habe ich nicht gefunden, hast
Du dazu einen Tip?
>
>Viele Grüße von Werner
>
>
>> Hallo Werner,
>
>> mit welcher Version arbeitest du denn? Es gibt 1.6, 2.0 (damit arbeite
>> ich)
>> und 3.0, ganz neu rausgekommen und offensichtlich ein Flopp. Es wird
>> deshalb
>> schon an einer 4er-Version "gebastelt". Es gibt mittlerweile eine
>> Ahnengalerie-Mailingliste, die zur Zeit sehr aktiv ist. Ich weiß leider
>> nicht mehr, wie ich mich dort angemeldet habe, ggf. wende dich an
>> sascha(a)ziegler.net
>
>> Solltest du mit der 2.0-Version arbeiten, kann ich dir vielleicht helfen.
>
>> Viele Grüße - Karin
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Karin Jacob - Skalitzer Str. 54b - 10997 Berlin - Tel./Fax: 030/611 63 73
>> karinjacob(a)snafu.de - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/9580
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
>> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:53 PM
>> Subject: [OL]Genealogy Program
>
>
>>> I use the program "Ahnengalerie" for my genealogy data-base. It is very
>> large now, and I would like split some family branches in different
files.
>>> I can create GEDCOM-file, but it is not able to select a branche from
>> this.
>>>
>>> Knows somebody a program to split a GEDCOM file ?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Werner
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Werner Honkomp            |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
>>> Ziegelhofstr. 35B         |Homepage:  www.honkomp-oldenburg.de
>>> 26121 Oldenburg           |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de
>>> Germany                   |
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
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Re: [OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/08 23:36:50
From: Paul Rowold <prowold(a)euronet.nl>

Werner wrote:
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Aan: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>;
hannover-l(a)genealogy.net <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: zondag 8 oktober 2000 12:55
Onderwerp: [OL]Genealogy Program


>I use the program "Ahnengalerie" for my genealogy data-base. It is very
large now, and I would like split some family branches in different files.
>I can create GEDCOM-file, but it is not able to select a branche from this.
>
>Knows somebody a program to split a GEDCOM file ?


You can read it as text even in Word or Wordpad and edit it from there.
It depends how the Gedcom file is ordered. Sometimes its easy to see where a
branch starts and where it ends.
There are Gedcom viewers with a file editing in Wordpad




Re: [OL]genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/09 16:12:46
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Moin Karin,
ja, so macht BK das. Ich wähle 'Datei teilen', wähle dann z.b. 'Vorfahren
von # 128' oder 'Nachkommen von # 2314', wähle einen Namen für die neue
Datei (in einem neuen Vereichnis !!), und kann dann selbige als neue Datei
laden, und, wenn gewünscht, als GEDCOM exportieren.
Es wundert mich richtig, daß andere Progamme das offenbar nicht können.
Klang so selbstverständlich.

Grüße Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Sonntag, 8. Oktober 2000 20:22
Betreff: [OL]genealogy Program


>Hallo Heiko,
>
>das interessiert mich näher. Verstehe ich richtig: Man teilt meinetwegen
den
>Datendsatz der Mutter von dem Datensatz des Vaters mit allen Verbindungen,
>exportiert also nur einen Teil der Daten und schon habe ich eine neue
Datei?
>Datensätze teilen an sich kann ich auch, aber Teile nicht exportieren.
>Entweder alles oder gar nichts. So ist jedenfalls mein Kenntnisstand meines
>Programms. Aber man lernt ja immer dazu.
>
>Viele Grüße - Karin
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Karin Jacob - Skalitzer Str. 54b - 10997 Berlin - Tel./Fax: 030/611 63 73
>karinjacob(a)snafu.de - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/9580
>----- Original Message -----




Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/09 17:35:14
From: Lloyd Budwig <budwig(a)hb.quik.com>

Hello Paula,

I am sorry we did not make a hit. My Stovers are all much earlier. However, I
would suggest that you keep looking in the Oldenburg area. There are many there
and there are some good church records on microfilm in the LDS library. Just
will take some hard work and a lot of time. I am keeping your information, that
should I come across something, I will contact you again.

Lloyd


Paula Dewet wrote:

> Hello Suzanne,
>
> If you have the book in your possession, could you please check
> for me also on Stöver in the 1850 -1900 period?
>
> My grandfather Stover in South Africa claimed that he was born in
> Oldenburg but I cannot find anything.  His brother apparently lived
> in America and another brother died during a war.
>
> Sorry to be so forward to ask you, but if you can I would really
> appreciate your help!
>
> Regards,
> Paula
>
> >
> > > >  Will you look please in the book for me for the surname Krull/Crull ?
> > > >  Manny thanks and greetings
> > > >  Betty Krull
>
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Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/09 17:53:31
From: John Geyssen <jgeyssen(a)valleynet.on.ca>

I have some Stover's in the Knetemann tree from Wardenburg and dating 
back to 1 one person in 1640 - 1702 and some others back in the 1400 + 1500's

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[OL]genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/09 20:28:36
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Tja, Heiko, das kannst du mal sehen: ich staune! Betty schrieb mir voller
Begeisterung, daß ihr Programm das auch kann (den Namen des Programms habe
ich noch nie gehört). So, wie sie es mir ebenfalls erklärt hat, frage ich
mich allmählich auch, warum mein Programm das so gar nicht drauf hat: Trifft
man auf jemanden, der nach einem Teil der Leute ebenfalls sucht, die man
selbst schon gefunden hat, kann man diese Familie exportieren und
weiterreichen. Ist ja echt ein Ding und Grund, das in die
Ahnengalerie-mailingliste zu setzen. Vielleicht kommt der Programmierer ja
mal in die Pötte. Ich finde Ahnengalerie2.0 insbesondere mit den
"Barby-Puppen" so einfach zu bedienen und mag mich von dem Programm
überhaupt nicht trennen.

Viele Grüße - Karin (Liebe Betty, ich melde mich spätestens am Wochenende.
Bin gerade nach Hause gekommen - na ja, du kennst das ja)
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----- Original Message -----
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]genealogy Program


Moin Karin,
ja, so macht BK das. Ich wähle 'Datei teilen', wähle dann z.b. 'Vorfahren
von # 128' oder 'Nachkommen von # 2314', wähle einen Namen für die neue
Datei (in einem neuen Vereichnis !!), und kann dann selbige als neue Datei
laden, und, wenn gewünscht, als GEDCOM exportieren.
Es wundert mich richtig, daß andere Progamme das offenbar nicht können.
Klang so selbstverständlich.

Grüße Heiko




Re: [OL]Hillers & Fritsch, from Oldenburg, 1866

Date: 2000/10/09 21:51:06
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

We have some Willers in the Oldenburg area, also Oldenburg City, Rastede, Wardenburg etc.
Check the phone and email directory of Germany, also in english, WWW.TELEAUSKUNFT.DE


> I seek information on my G grandparents, Francis Albert and Johanna (nee
> Hillers) Fritsch, who seemed to have married in the province of Oldenburg
> in
> 1864/5 and came to the U. S., to Goodhue Co., Minnesota, in 1866, by way
> of
> the port of Bremerhaven, Hanover (?), on the ship Humboldt. In the U. S.
> census of 1880, Johanna said she was born in the province of Oldenburg but
> her husband, an engineer, was born in Prussia.

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Re: [OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/09 21:51:06
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> Moin,
> ich arbeite mit Brother's Keeper, und damit kann ich ohne Probleme
> 'Datensatz teilen' anwählen und den geteilten Datensatz dann nach GEDCOM
> exportieren.
> Grüße
> Heiko

Heiko,
ist das nachstehende Hinweis das selbe Programm?

Broderbund's  "Family Origins" will split off a branch and save it to a GEDCOM.

Und wo kann ich das Programm beziehen?

Vielen Dank,
Werner
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AW: [OL]Rueter, Ruter, Rueter

Date: 2000/10/09 22:08:02
From: Franz-Josef Meyer <franz-josef.meyer(a)debitel.net>

Hallo, Franz

in Pagenstert's "Die Bauernhöfe im Amte Vechta" gibt es zum Namen Rüter zwei
Einträge:

1. als osnabrückischer Markkotten "Rüter (Lampe)" in Damme - Sierhausen
und
2. als osnabrückisches Halberbe "Rüter, jetzt Rump" in Neuenkirchen -
Grapperhausen.

Ob und wie die beiden zusammenhängen weiss ich nicht.

Der Name Rüter kommt in meiner Ahnentafel vor und es ist davon auszugehen,
daß sie von dem Markkotten in Damme stammen, wobei ihr ursprünglicher Name
"Lampe" gewesen sein könnte:

Johann Heinrich Rüter/Lampe, Heirat am 19.7.1815 in Damme mit Catharina
Maria Niehus
Kinder:   a.) Anna Maria Rüter, geb. 1.1.1817, heiratete 23.6.1853 in Damme
Joh. Bernhard Heinr. Hofmann (meine Vorfahren)
          b.) Johann Bernd, geb. 7.5.1820
          c.) Catharina Maria Elisabeth, geb. 13.5.1823
          d.) Bernhard Heinrich, geb. 10.3.1826
          e.) Maria Agnes, geb. 22.5.1829
          f.) Maria Anna, geb. 1.8.1833

Vielleicht hilft das irgenwie weiter oder jemand aus der Liste kann noch
ergänzende Hinweise geben.

Franz-Josef


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Franz Felschen
Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Oktober 2000 13:06
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL]Rueter, Ruter, Rueter


Ich suche Vorfahren der Familie Rüter:
1)
Bernd Heinrich Rüter, geb. in Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg, Datum nicht
bekannt;
verheiratet ca. 1809/1810 mit Maria Adelheid von der Haar, Ort nicht
bekannt, vermutlich Brickwedde bei Ankum.
Sein Vater war vermutlich Heinrich Hermann Rüter (2)
2)
Heinrich Hermann Rüter, geb. 21.4.1744, Geburtsort nicht bekannt
Eltern: Bernd Rüter und Grete Richelmann

-----------

Also I am searching for Johann Heinrich Rüter, born Nov 2, 1872 in
Doellinghausen parish Merzen, near Osnabrueck, Germany.
He migrated to Cincinnati, Ohio. I don't know, how his name has been
Americanized: Ruter or Rueter.
Does someone know descendants of him?

Franz




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Re: [OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/09 22:14:33
From: heikoahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Moin,
BK ist Brother's Keeper, als shareware zu bekommen (kann man im intrnet
runterladen).
Grüße
Heiko

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: Montag, 9. Oktober 2000 21:38
Betreff: Re: [OL]Genealogy Program


>> Moin,
>> ich arbeite mit Brother's Keeper, und damit kann ich ohne Probleme
>> 'Datensatz teilen' anwählen und den geteilten Datensatz dann nach GEDCOM
>> exportieren.
>> Grüße
>> Heiko
>
>Heiko,
>ist das nachstehende Hinweis das selbe Programm?
>
>Broderbund's  "Family Origins" will split off a branch and save it to a
GEDCOM.
>
>Und wo kann ich das Programm beziehen?
>
>Vielen Dank,
>Werner
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Re: [OL]Re: Stover

Date: 2000/10/09 22:24:45
From: Paula Dewet <dewet(a)hsc.usc.edu>

Hello Harry,

I am the one in need of the Stover information.  Thank you so very
much for the names and dates you gave me.  I cannot link anything
yet, as I am still trying to find the connection to get me into Germany
somewhere in the mid 1800's, but I will keep your names on file and keep
my fingers crossed!

Appreciate your help!
Paula de Wet

HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com wrote:

> Hello Suzanne,
> I´ve found in my databases the following:



[OL]Civil Records - Damme 1808 to 1812

Date: 2000/10/09 23:15:17
From: Mairose <Mairose(a)one.net>

I have tried to read and translate some of the LDS film of the civil records of Damme.  The physical condition of the document seems to be poor and the handwriting is a challenge.   It would be helpful to understand the general format of the civil records at that time in history.  I am especially interested in the civil records of Johann Bernard Schroeder, born June 21, 1808 and his sister, Angelina, born March 11, 1810.  He came to Cincinnati, Ohio in 1832. 
 
Lee Mairose

Re: [OL]Genealogy Program

Date: 2000/10/10 19:57:04
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Danke Heiko,
ich lade mir die Shareware mal runter.
Werner

> Moin,
> BK ist Brother's Keeper, als shareware zu bekommen (kann man im intrnet
> runterladen).
> Grüße
> Heiko

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Datum: Montag, 9. Oktober 2000 21:38
> Betreff: Re: [OL]Genealogy Program


>>> Moin,
>>> ich arbeite mit Brother's Keeper, und damit kann ich ohne Probleme
>>> 'Datensatz teilen' anwählen und den geteilten Datensatz dann nach GEDCOM
>>> exportieren.
>>> Grüße
>>> Heiko
>>
>>Heiko,
>>ist das nachstehende Hinweis das selbe Programm?
>>
>>Broderbund's  "Family Origins" will split off a branch and save it to a
> GEDCOM.
>>
>>Und wo kann ich das Programm beziehen?
>>
>>Vielen Dank,
>>Werner
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Re: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/10 19:57:22
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Franz-Josef,
hat der Joh. Bernard Hofmann etwas mit dem Hoffmann Hof in Astrup/Vörden etwas zu tun?

Ich suche für einen Amerikaner Thamann aus Cincinnati dessen Vorfahren. Ich habe dazu im Kirchenbuch von Vörden den bisher ältesten Vorfahren gefunden:

Eltern: Diederich(Theodor) Thamann und Margaretha Hoffmann zu Astrup, in Col. Hoffmann Leibzucht zu Astrup, Sohn:
*12.08.1831 Johann Bernard Theodor Thamann
            oo 02.06.1864 in Vörden, Theresia Rosemeyer *23.01.1841 Damme
Kinder:
            *31.08.1865 Astrup, Bernard Thamann, ausgewandert nach Cincinnati
            *22.10.1874 Astrup, Maria Agnes, ausgewandert als Nonne

Ich kann die Herkunft von Diederich Thamann nicht finden. Julius Thamann aus Nellinghof konnte mir auch nicht helfen.

Gruß Werner

> Hallo, Franz

> in Pagenstert's "Die Bauernhöfe im Amte Vechta" gibt es zum Namen Rüter
> zwei
> Einträge:

> 1. als osnabrückischer Markkotten "Rüter (Lampe)" in Damme - Sierhausen
> und
> 2. als osnabrückisches Halberbe "Rüter, jetzt Rump" in Neuenkirchen -
> Grapperhausen.

> Ob und wie die beiden zusammenhängen weiss ich nicht.

> Der Name Rüter kommt in meiner Ahnentafel vor und es ist davon auszugehen,
> daß sie von dem Markkotten in Damme stammen, wobei ihr ursprünglicher Name
> "Lampe" gewesen sein könnte:

> Johann Heinrich Rüter/Lampe, Heirat am 19.7.1815 in Damme mit Catharina
> Maria Niehus
> Kinder:   a.) Anna Maria Rüter, geb. 1.1.1817, heiratete 23.6.1853 in
> Damme
> Joh. Bernhard Heinr. Hofmann (meine Vorfahren)
>           b.) Johann Bernd, geb. 7.5.1820
>           c.) Catharina Maria Elisabeth, geb. 13.5.1823
>           d.) Bernhard Heinrich, geb. 10.3.1826
>           e.) Maria Agnes, geb. 22.5.1829
>           f.) Maria Anna, geb. 1.8.1833

> Vielleicht hilft das irgenwie weiter oder jemand aus der Liste kann noch
> ergänzende Hinweise geben.

> Franz-Josef


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Franz Felschen
> Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Oktober 2000 13:06
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [OL]Rueter, Ruter, Rueter


> Ich suche Vorfahren der Familie Rüter:
> 1)
> Bernd Heinrich Rüter, geb. in Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg, Datum nicht
> bekannt;
> verheiratet ca. 1809/1810 mit Maria Adelheid von der Haar, Ort nicht
> bekannt, vermutlich Brickwedde bei Ankum.
> Sein Vater war vermutlich Heinrich Hermann Rüter (2)
> 2)
> Heinrich Hermann Rüter, geb. 21.4.1744, Geburtsort nicht bekannt
> Eltern: Bernd Rüter und Grete Richelmann

> -----------

> Also I am searching for Johann Heinrich Rüter, born Nov 2, 1872 in
> Doellinghausen parish Merzen, near Osnabrueck, Germany.
> He migrated to Cincinnati, Ohio. I don't know, how his name has been
> Americanized: Ruter or Rueter.
> Does someone know descendants of him?

> Franz




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Re: [OL]Civil Records - Damme 1808 to 1812

Date: 2000/10/11 07:17:07
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I have never heard of Civil Records of Damme, I know only the Church Records.
Here the emigrants records of Schroeders:

Schröder, Kötters-Tochter, bei Schröder in Holdorf  1 1839 Holdorf
Schröder, Margaretha, Tochter des Anton Schröder, Hovesaat  1 1838 Ihorst
Schröder, Maria, Dienstmagd - nach Baltimore  1 1849 Reselage

Werner

> I have tried to read and translate some of the LDS film of the civil
> records of Damme.  The physical condition of the document seems to be poor
> and the handwriting is a challenge.   It would be helpful to understand
> the general format of the civil records at that time in history.  I am
> especially interested in the civil records of Johann Bernard Schroeder,
> born June 21, 1808 and his sister, Angelina, born March 11, 1810.  He came
> to Cincinnati, Ohio in 1832.

> Lee Mairose


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[OL]Vechta Emigrants

Date: 2000/10/11 14:12:13
From: Deshotton <Deshotton(a)aol.com>

I am new to this list and would like to know if there is a source for a list 
of emmigrants from Vechta to the US.  I am searching for the year 1837 and 
the name is Kordenbrock.
Any help would be appreciated.
Diane Shotton
Phoenix, Arizona, USA


AW: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/11 22:40:52
From: Franz-Josef Meyer <franz-josef.meyer(a)debitel.net>

Hallo Werner,

nach meinem bisherigen Kenntnissstand stammt Joh. Bernard Heinrich Hofmann
von einem Hof oder einer Familie Hofmann in Hunteburg; genaueres ist
entweder in meinen Unterlagen verschwunden   :-) bzw. konnte noch nicht
eruiert werden (ich wohne leider nicht mehr in der Gegend).

Gruß, Franz-Josef



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Werner Honkomp
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Oktober 2000 19:38
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden


Hallo Franz-Josef,
hat der Joh. Bernard Hofmann etwas mit dem Hoffmann Hof in Astrup/Vörden
etwas zu tun?

Ich suche für einen Amerikaner Thamann aus Cincinnati dessen Vorfahren. Ich
habe dazu im Kirchenbuch von Vörden den bisher ältesten Vorfahren gefunden:

Eltern: Diederich(Theodor) Thamann und Margaretha Hoffmann zu Astrup, in
Col. Hoffmann Leibzucht zu Astrup, Sohn:
*12.08.1831 Johann Bernard Theodor Thamann
            oo 02.06.1864 in Vörden, Theresia Rosemeyer *23.01.1841 Damme
Kinder:
            *31.08.1865 Astrup, Bernard Thamann, ausgewandert nach
Cincinnati
            *22.10.1874 Astrup, Maria Agnes, ausgewandert als Nonne

Ich kann die Herkunft von Diederich Thamann nicht finden. Julius Thamann aus
Nellinghof konnte mir auch nicht helfen.

Gruß Werner






Re: [OL]Vechta Emigrants

Date: 2000/10/11 23:16:11
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

The name Kordenbrock is in Germany not present.
But we have in the town Vechta some Dasenbrock.

Werner Honkomp


> I am new to this list and would like to know if there is a source for a
> list
> of emmigrants from Vechta to the US.  I am searching for the year 1837 and
> the name is Kordenbrock.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> Diane Shotton
> Phoenix, Arizona, USA

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[OL]SCHMIDT/MEYER

Date: 2000/10/12 20:54:38
From: M&D Hobbs <mdhobbs(a)gwis.com>

Found in IGI record the marriage of Margarethe Agnes Meyer and Friedrich
Wilhelm Schmidt on 9 Oct 1868 in the Evangelisch-Lutherische, Dielingen,

Westfalen, Preussen.  These are names in your genealogy, although in
earlier years,
and I'm wondering if there might be a connection to my Margaret Meyer
and
Frederick Schmidt who immigrated to NYC in 1881 with their two children,

Ludwig b. 1875 Darmstadt, Hessen, and Katherine b. 1873 in
Nieder-Ramstadt
outside of Darmstadt.  Realize these are not the same areas, but they
seemed to
have moved around.  Katherine Schmidt married Robert O. Mueller in
Elmira NY
in 1905 and he was from Cottbus, Brandenburg, with brothers in
Frankfurt/Oder
and Frankfurt/Main.

Margaret Meyer Schmidt had a brother, Jacob Meyer, in Elmira NY, and a
sister Mrs. Henry Fromm in Germany.  Margaret and Frederick Schmidt died
in Elmira in 1914.

Any connection that you can see?  Thank you.

Maxine




[OL]Ahnengalerie

Date: 2000/10/12 21:48:27
From: Karin Jacob <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>

Hallo Oldenburger und insbesondere Werner,

nachstehend eine ganz interessante Antwort auf meine Frage, ob
Ahnengalerie3.0 Familienteile exportieren kann. Es kann.
Viele Grüße - Karin
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerhard Rosche <GerhardRosche(a)addcom.de>
To: <ahnengalerie(a)ecircle.de>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:56 PM
Subject: [AG] Re: Ahnengalerie


> hallo Karin,
> ja, in der Ahnengalerie Version 3 kann wirklich nur ein bestimmter
> 'Familienzweig' exportiert werden, d.h. in eine neue kleinere 'Kartei'
> ausgegeben werden.
> Über MENÜ - STAMMTAFELN - 'Familienzweig exportieren' -
> - dann Proband auswählen - dann Optionen festlegen -
> - ( z.B. auf- oder absteigender Zweig, maximale Anzahl Generationen für
auf-
> und absteigenden Zweig festlegen),
> - dann (man wird so geführt, daß nichts schief laufen kann) NEUE
> Ahnengalerie-Karte anlegen, auch sind hier schon unter BESCHREIBUNG die
> vorher in Optionen festgelegten Familien zu sehen.
> - OK bestätigen, (alte Kartei - aus der ausgewählt wurde) schließen.
> - dann wieder mit KARTEI öffnen den eben erzeugten Familienzweig anschauen
> und damit machen, was man will, weitergeben, GEDCOM-Datei erzeugen usw.
>
> Gruß
> Gerhard aus Rostock
> P.S. Ich habe es wirklich ausprobiert und nicht nur aus der Hilfe oder dem
> 'Handbuch' abgeschrieben, hier auf Seite 75 kurz erwähnt...
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: "Karin Jacob" <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>
> An: <ahnengalerie(a)ecircle.de>
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Oktober 2000 20:12
> Betreff: [AG] Ahnengalerie
>
>
> > Hallo "Ahnengalerier",
> >
> > in der Oldenburg-Liste erfuhr ich, daß es Programme gibt, bei denen man
> > einen Teil der Familien sozusagen abkoppeln kann und in eine neue Datei
> > kopieren kann. Zum Beispiel, wenn jemand einen Familienzweig in seiner
> Datei
> > hat, nach der ein anderer auch sucht. Um also nicht die gesamte Datei
> > weiterzugeben, sondern nur diese Familie samt Verbindungen, kann mal
eben
> > nur diesen Familienzweig in eine gedcom-Datei packen
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Schon mal einen Bären gejagt oder in den Rocky Mountains gewesen?
> In der Kanada-Mailingliste können Sie Kontakte, Fragen, Erfahrungen
> und Anregungen zu Kanada untereinander austauschen.
> Mehr Infos unter
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AW: [OL]Vechta Emigrants

Date: 2000/10/12 21:48:34
From: Franz-Josef Meyer <franz-josef.meyer(a)debitel.net>

Dear Diane,

as I read the name "Kordenbrock" I thought of the name "Koddenbrock" which I
know of is existing in the village Lutten near Vechta. The names sound very
similar, at least in german pronunciation.
I have no connections to this family but hope this could be helpful to you.

Greetings,

Franz-Josef Meyer
Bad Soden, Hesse, Germany

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Deshotton(a)aol.com
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Oktober 2000 13:57
An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL]Vechta Emigrants


I am new to this list and would like to know if there is a source for a list
of emmigrants from Vechta to the US.  I am searching for the year 1837 and
the name is Kordenbrock.
Any help would be appreciated.
Diane Shotton
Phoenix, Arizona, USA

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Re: AW: [OL]Vechta Emigrants

Date: 2000/10/12 22:01:56
From: Deshotton <Deshotton(a)aol.com>

Thank you Franz-Josef.  I did find some Koddenbrocks in the Telephone book 
and will use these contacts.  At one time the name was also spelled 
Kottenbrock so it is probably the same.  
Diane Shotton
Phoenix


Re: [OL]Civil Records - Damme 1808 to 1812

Date: 2000/10/13 05:07:39
From: Mairose <Mairose(a)one.net>

The civil records of Damme are in the LDS film #909908.

-----Original Message-----
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: [OL]Civil Records - Damme 1808 to 1812


>I have never heard of Civil Records of Damme, I know only the Church
Records.
>Here the emigrants records of Schroeders:
>
>Schröder, Kötters-Tochter, bei Schröder in Holdorf  1 1839 Holdorf
>Schröder, Margaretha, Tochter des Anton Schröder, Hovesaat  1 1838 Ihorst
>Schröder, Maria, Dienstmagd - nach Baltimore  1 1849 Reselage
>
>Werner
>
>> I have tried to read and translate some of the LDS film of the civil
>> records of Damme.  The physical condition of the document seems to be
poor
>> and the handwriting is a challenge.   It would be helpful to understand
>> the general format of the civil records at that time in history.  I am
>> especially interested in the civil records of Johann Bernard Schroeder,
>> born June 21, 1808 and his sister, Angelina, born March 11, 1810.  He
came
>> to Cincinnati, Ohio in 1832.
>
>> Lee Mairose
>
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[OL]Neu hier

Date: 2000/10/13 09:50:33
From: Onken, Luebbe <Luebbe.Onken(a)reinisch.de>

Hallo Liste,

wie man vielleicht am Namen schon erkennen kann, bin ich norddeutscher
Abstammung, wohne aber schon seit geraumer Zeit in der Nähe von Karlsruhe.
Mit Hilfe meiner Eltern habe ich den Ursprung der Familie Onken bis auf die
Zeit um 1850 herum im Raum Varel eingrenzen können. Großeltern die ich
befragen könnte gibt es nicht mehr. Ich bin also auf andere Ressourcen
angewiesen.

Die Hinweise, die ich bis jetzt im Web gefunden habe (vor allem
familysearch), haben mich ein Stück weiter gebracht, es klaffen aber doch
noch beträchtliche Lücken

Bevor ich jetzt alle hier mit weiteren Familiendetails bombardiere, möchte
ich erst einmal fragen, ob es hier Leute gibt, die mir evtl. sogar direkt
Auskunft geben können. Dann werde ich meine Informationen etwas
detaillierter noch einmal posten.
Vielleicht kann mir auch jemand Hinweise / Tipps geben könnten, wo ich
(zunächst mal per Internet) selber weiter recherchieren kann. Nach Oldenburg
werde ich wohl frühestens Ostern 2001 wieder kommen, um dort selber Bücher
zu wälzen.

TIA

- Lübbe


Re: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/13 15:36:33
From: Mairose <Mairose(a)one.net>

I am interested in the Thamann connection.  I have a John Theodore Thamann,
married Catherine Marie Hoffmann (born in Astrup) on March 3, 1821 in
Neunkirchen.

      One of their children was John Henry Thamann, born November 21, 1823
in Neunkirchen and died January 24, 1886 in St. Bernard, Ohio.  He married
Caroline Rosemeyer, born September 5, 1828 in Damme.  (She was the daughter
of Johann Christopher Rosemeyer and Anna Maria Herzog.)   She died in St.
Bernard, Ohio on November 26, 1875.  I do not have their place of marriage.

Their children include Bernadina Thamann.  Bernadina was my maternal great
grandmother.  She married John Bernard Schroeder in St. Bernard.  John's
father was Johann Bernard Schroeder of Damme.  He left Damme in 1832 and
developed much of St. Bernard where many former Damme residents settled.

Lee Mairose


----Original Message-----
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden


>Hallo Franz-Josef,
>hat der Joh. Bernard Hofmann etwas mit dem Hoffmann Hof in Astrup/Vörden
etwas zu tun?
>
>Ich suche für einen Amerikaner Thamann aus Cincinnati dessen Vorfahren. Ich
habe dazu im Kirchenbuch von Vörden den bisher ältesten Vorfahren gefunden:
>
>Eltern: Diederich(Theodor) Thamann und Margaretha Hoffmann zu Astrup, in
Col. Hoffmann Leibzucht zu Astrup, Sohn:
>*12.08.1831 Johann Bernard Theodor Thamann
>            oo 02.06.1864 in Vörden, Theresia Rosemeyer *23.01.1841 Damme
>Kinder:
>            *31.08.1865 Astrup, Bernard Thamann, ausgewandert nach
Cincinnati
>            *22.10.1874 Astrup, Maria Agnes, ausgewandert als Nonne
>
>Ich kann die Herkunft von Diederich Thamann nicht finden. Julius Thamann
aus Nellinghof konnte mir auch nicht helfen.
>
>Gruß Werner
>
>> Hallo, Franz
>
>> in Pagenstert's "Die Bauernhöfe im Amte Vechta" gibt es zum Namen Rüter
>> zwei
>> Einträge:
>
>> 1. als osnabrückischer Markkotten "Rüter (Lampe)" in Damme - Sierhausen
>> und
>> 2. als osnabrückisches Halberbe "Rüter, jetzt Rump" in Neuenkirchen -
>> Grapperhausen.
>
>> Ob und wie die beiden zusammenhängen weiss ich nicht.
>
>> Der Name Rüter kommt in meiner Ahnentafel vor und es ist davon
auszugehen,
>> daß sie von dem Markkotten in Damme stammen, wobei ihr ursprünglicher
Name
>> "Lampe" gewesen sein könnte:
>
>> Johann Heinrich Rüter/Lampe, Heirat am 19.7.1815 in Damme mit Catharina
>> Maria Niehus
>> Kinder:   a.) Anna Maria Rüter, geb. 1.1.1817, heiratete 23.6.1853 in
>> Damme
>> Joh. Bernhard Heinr. Hofmann (meine Vorfahren)
>>           b.) Johann Bernd, geb. 7.5.1820
>>           c.) Catharina Maria Elisabeth, geb. 13.5.1823
>>           d.) Bernhard Heinrich, geb. 10.3.1826
>>           e.) Maria Agnes, geb. 22.5.1829
>>           f.) Maria Anna, geb. 1.8.1833
>
>> Vielleicht hilft das irgenwie weiter oder jemand aus der Liste kann noch
>> ergänzende Hinweise geben.
>
>> Franz-Josef
>
>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
>> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Franz Felschen
>> Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Oktober 2000 13:06
>> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>> Betreff: [OL]Rueter, Ruter, Rueter
>
>
>> Ich suche Vorfahren der Familie Rüter:
>> 1)
>> Bernd Heinrich Rüter, geb. in Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg, Datum nicht
>> bekannt;
>> verheiratet ca. 1809/1810 mit Maria Adelheid von der Haar, Ort nicht
>> bekannt, vermutlich Brickwedde bei Ankum.
>> Sein Vater war vermutlich Heinrich Hermann Rüter (2)
>> 2)
>> Heinrich Hermann Rüter, geb. 21.4.1744, Geburtsort nicht bekannt
>> Eltern: Bernd Rüter und Grete Richelmann
>
>> -----------
>
>> Also I am searching for Johann Heinrich Rüter, born Nov 2, 1872 in
>> Doellinghausen parish Merzen, near Osnabrueck, Germany.
>> He migrated to Cincinnati, Ohio. I don't know, how his name has been
>> Americanized: Ruter or Rueter.
>> Does someone know descendants of him?
>
>> Franz
>
>
>
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[OL]Vechta emigrants

Date: 2000/10/13 15:46:46
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

Dianne Shotton writes:

<< I am new to this list and would like to know if there is a source for a 
list
 of emmigrants from Vechta to the US. >>

I don't know if this has been answered since I just signed on, but here is 
the source:

Go to:
http://members.aol.com/bebloemer/index.html
click on:
aus dem alten Amt Vechta
found under # 8 on his list.
Nancy Pundsack


[OL]Schroeder - Damme>Cincinnati

Date: 2000/10/13 16:35:06
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

Hi Lee,
I too am researching names, including Schröder/Schroeder, in Damme.  A couple 
years ago I rented this Damme Civil Register film and found it confusing and 
mostl illegible.  I believe it was mostly an index to existing record books 
not included on the film.  Of course I was new at the time so maybe I should 
take another look.  If you have a copy of a record, maybe you can scan it and 
email it to one or more of us to see if we can't help translate it.

Besides the Civil Records, there are also 5 films 0909909-0909914 which 
contain the Church records of St. Viktor Catholic Church in Damme, from 
1650-1875 (mostly inclusive).  I have found that the records from around 1800 
on are mostly legible given practice.  As luck would have it I was able to go 
to the FHC yesterday and found on film #0909912, church book volume 12, 
Baptisms 1801-1820, the following:

Children of Christopher and Angela (Hülsman) Schröder:
1. Catharina Maria Schröder (Recorded as Schräder.  In the same year 
         another Schröder couple is recorded as Schräer.), born 26 Aug 1803, 
         baptised 28 Aug 1803, married 28 Jan 1823, died 28 Sep 1829
2. Anna Maria Agnes Schröder, born 28 Sep 1805, baptised 29 Sep 1805, 
         married 20 Feb 1827, died 7 Oct 1842
3. Joan Bernd (Johann Bernard) Schröder, born 21 Jun 1808, baptised 23 Jun 
1808
4. Maria Angela Schröder, born 11 Mar 1810, baptised 13 Mar 1810
5. Maria Anna Schröder, born 14 Apr 1812, baptised 16 Apr 1812  (in this 
record 
         the family is noted as living on the Roling farm in Borringhausen, a 
farming 
         community near Damme)

That was all I had time for.  There could be more children before and after 
these dates. 

Two of my Damme lines, DICKHAUS and BORGEMENKE, married Schröder's, so I am 
interested this name.  I have already recorded some Schröder info which can 
be seen at 
http://members.aol.com/Bkercher/Damme-Borgemenke.htm
and I plan on adding more in the future.  

I'd be interested in knowing if you have any emigration info on Bernard and 
Angelina since they were cousins, and neighbors, to my folks in Borringhausen 
and probably in Cincinnati.

Cheers,
Bryan Kercher


In a message dated 10/13/2000 4:48:27 AM Central Daylight Time, "Mairose" 
<Mairose(a)one.net> writes:
>  The civil records of Damme are in the LDS film #909908.
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
>  
>  >I have never heard of Civil Records of Damme, I know only the Church
>  >Records. Here the emigrants records of Schroeders:
>  >
>  >Schröder, Kötters-Tochter, bei Schröder in Holdorf  1 1839 Holdorf
>  >Schröder, Margaretha, Tochter des Anton Schröder, Hovesaat  1 1838 Ihorst
>  >Schröder, Maria, Dienstmagd - nach Baltimore  1 1849 Reselage
>  >
>  >Werner
>  >
>  >> I have tried to read and translate some of the LDS film of the civil
>  >> records of Damme.  The physical condition of the document seems to be
>  >> poor and the handwriting is a challenge.   It would be helpful to 
understand
>  >> the general format of the civil records at that time in history.  I am
>  >> especially interested in the civil records of Johann Bernard Schroeder,
>  >> born June 21, 1808 and his sister, Angelina, born March 11, 1810.  He
>  >> came to Cincinnati, Ohio in 1832.
>  >
>  >> Lee Mairose
>  >


Re: [OL]Vechta Emigrants

Date: 2000/10/13 17:09:54
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

Hi Diane,
I strongly suggest you visit your local LDS Family History Center (Listed in 
the phonebook under Churches - Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) 
and order film #0909901 which has baptisms 1810-1854, marriages 1810-1857, 
plus some 1st communion records.  Also film # 0909900 baptisms, marriages, 
and death records for various stretches of time between 1642-1809.  Film 
rental is $3.25 for short term loan, or $9.75 for permanent loan. This will 
be a gold mine for you! 

I have researched church records from Vechta for surnames Hülskamp and 
Klövekorn.

I can possibly do some lookups for you next week to verify your people are 
there.  Do you have any more names and/or dates?

Cheers,
Bryan Kercher


In a message dated 10/12/2000 4:48:55 AM Central Daylight Time, 
Deshotton(a)aol.com writes:
>  I am new to this list and would like to know if there is a source for a 
list 
>  of emmigrants from Vechta to the US.  I am searching for the year 1837 and 
>  the name is Kordenbrock.
>  Any help would be appreciated.
>  Diane Shotton
>  Phoenix, Arizona, USA
>  


[OL]Assmann

Date: 2000/10/13 20:17:11
From: Bernard Dahlem <b.dahlem(a)mindspring.com>

The grandfather of my grandfather was born in Banerschaft Oesterdamme.  Name: Bernard Assmann(geb.1805). Possible brothers: Heinrich (geb. 1809) and Hermann.   Looking for connections.

[OL]Heureman

Date: 2000/10/13 20:42:33
From: jwienecke <jwienecke(a)email.msn.com>

Does anyone know what a Heureman is. I have a ancestor from Handorf and Hude. They lived on a farm. I was thinking that it was a type of farmer.
 
Any help is appreciated.
Jennifer
Sugar Land, Texas
Researching Kessing

Re: [OL]Heureman

Date: 2000/10/13 21:25:43
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

It means a hired man


From: "jwienecke" <jwienecke(a)email.msn.com>
Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
To: <oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [OL]Heureman
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:14:27 -0700

Does anyone know what a Heureman is. I have a ancestor from Handorf and Hude. They lived on a farm. I was thinking that it was a type of farmer.

Any help is appreciated.
Jennifer
Sugar Land, Texas
Researching Kessing

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Re: [OL]Grossenkneten

Date: 2000/10/13 21:41:56
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

für Großenkneten gibt Dierk Feye Auskunft (feye(a)topmail.de)
Gerold 


Re: [OL]Heureman

Date: 2000/10/13 22:07:13
From: GENE JANSSEN <jansseng(a)email.msn.com>

A Heuermann is a hired hand--usually connected with farming, but may be
other jobs.  Day-laboror is another term we might use.
-----Original Message-----
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Friday, October 13, 2000 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Heureman


>It means a hired man
>
>
>>From: "jwienecke" <jwienecke(a)email.msn.com>
>>Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
>>To: <oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
>>Subject: [OL]Heureman
>>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:14:27 -0700
>>
>>Does anyone know what a Heureman is. I have a ancestor from Handorf and
>>Hude. They lived on a farm. I was thinking that it was a type of farmer.
>>
>>Any help is appreciated.
>>Jennifer
>>Sugar Land, Texas
>>Researching Kessing
>
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Re: [OL]Ahnengalerie

Date: 2000/10/13 22:11:52
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Danke Karin für den Hinweis.
Werner

> Hallo Oldenburger und insbesondere Werner,

> nachstehend eine ganz interessante Antwort auf meine Frage, ob
> Ahnengalerie3.0 Familienteile exportieren kann. Es kann.
> Viele Grüße - Karin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gerhard Rosche <GerhardRosche(a)addcom.de>
> To: <ahnengalerie(a)ecircle.de>
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:56 PM
> Subject: [AG] Re: Ahnengalerie


>> hallo Karin,
>> ja, in der Ahnengalerie Version 3 kann wirklich nur ein bestimmter
>> 'Familienzweig' exportiert werden, d.h. in eine neue kleinere 'Kartei'
>> ausgegeben werden.
>> Über MENÜ - STAMMTAFELN - 'Familienzweig exportieren' -
>> - dann Proband auswählen - dann Optionen festlegen -
>> - ( z.B. auf- oder absteigender Zweig, maximale Anzahl Generationen für
> auf-
>> und absteigenden Zweig festlegen),
>> - dann (man wird so geführt, daß nichts schief laufen kann) NEUE
>> Ahnengalerie-Karte anlegen, auch sind hier schon unter BESCHREIBUNG die
>> vorher in Optionen festgelegten Familien zu sehen.
>> - OK bestätigen, (alte Kartei - aus der ausgewählt wurde) schließen.
>> - dann wieder mit KARTEI öffnen den eben erzeugten Familienzweig
>> anschauen
>> und damit machen, was man will, weitergeben, GEDCOM-Datei erzeugen usw.
>>
>> Gruß
>> Gerhard aus Rostock
>> P.S. Ich habe es wirklich ausprobiert und nicht nur aus der Hilfe oder
>> dem
>> 'Handbuch' abgeschrieben, hier auf Seite 75 kurz erwähnt...
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: "Karin Jacob" <karinjacob(a)snafu.de>
>> An: <ahnengalerie(a)ecircle.de>
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. Oktober 2000 20:12
>> Betreff: [AG] Ahnengalerie
>>
>>
>> > Hallo "Ahnengalerier",
>> >
>> > in der Oldenburg-Liste erfuhr ich, daß es Programme gibt, bei denen man
>> > einen Teil der Familien sozusagen abkoppeln kann und in eine neue Datei
>> > kopieren kann. Zum Beispiel, wenn jemand einen Familienzweig in seiner
>> Datei
>> > hat, nach der ein anderer auch sucht. Um also nicht die gesamte Datei
>> > weiterzugeben, sondern nur diese Familie samt Verbindungen, kann mal
> eben
>> > nur diesen Familienzweig in eine gedcom-Datei packen
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Schon mal einen Bären gejagt oder in den Rocky Mountains gewesen?
>> In der Kanada-Mailingliste können Sie Kontakte, Fragen, Erfahrungen
>> und Anregungen zu Kanada untereinander austauschen.
>> Mehr Infos unter
>> http://www.ecircle.de/ad183596/www.ecircle.de
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Re: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/13 22:11:52
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Lee,
I believe I have something, but I'm the next 8 days on tour and I have not time yet.
I will answer after that.
Werner


> I am interested in the Thamann connection.  I have a John Theodore
> Thamann,
> married Catherine Marie Hoffmann (born in Astrup) on March 3, 1821 in
> Neunkirchen.

>       One of their children was John Henry Thamann, born November 21, 1823
> in Neunkirchen and died January 24, 1886 in St. Bernard, Ohio.  He married
> Caroline Rosemeyer, born September 5, 1828 in Damme.  (She was the
> daughter
> of Johann Christopher Rosemeyer and Anna Maria Herzog.)   She died in St.
> Bernard, Ohio on November 26, 1875.  I do not have their place of
> marriage.

> Their children include Bernadina Thamann.  Bernadina was my maternal great
> grandmother.  She married John Bernard Schroeder in St. Bernard.  John's
> father was Johann Bernard Schroeder of Damme.  He left Damme in 1832 and
> developed much of St. Bernard where many former Damme residents settled.

> Lee Mairose



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Re: [OL]Heureman

Date: 2000/10/13 22:16:40
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 13 Oct 2000, at 14:10, Josie Petermeier wrote:

> It means a hired man
> 
> >Does anyone know what a Heureman is. I have a ancestor from Handorf
> >and Hude. They lived on a farm. I was thinking that it was a type of
> >farmer.

Let's not do it again. The word is Heuermann. A literal translation of 
hired man is correct but that is not what the word really MEANS.  

We've discussed this many, many times and further info should be 
available in the archives of this list. 

Very briefly, a farm by the law of the land couild not be divided at 
the time of inheritance. Only one son could get it and as a last 
resort a daughter who would soon have to marry if she was single.
Point is what were the other siblings supposed to do? Some could 
marry into a farm elsewhere but most simply had no place to go 
and stayed on at their brother's farm as hirelings if you will. They 
could be Knechte and Mägde (farm workers) in the deirect employ 
of the owner or they could do their share of the work on the farm in 
return for a place to sleep and a small piece of land. Initially the 
place to sleep was anything with a roof like a stable or 
bakinghouse. Later some special Heuerhäuser were built - even 
double onces for two families. Without such a living arrangement 
these people really couldn't start a family so they took whatever they 
could get. Eventually the children of these people would be born 
into the state of the Heuermann who typically owned nothing. He 
contracted for a small piece of land but rarely could he survive off it. 
That is why most Heuerleute worked other jobs wherever they could 
find them. It is this landless class that formed the vast bulk of the 
emigrants who left the the area for something better. Their longing 
was to own a piece of land they could call their own and America 
offered that chance.

Fred

  
  

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Re: [OL]Assmann

Date: 2000/10/13 22:22:22
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> The grandfather of my grandfather was born in Banerschaft Oesterdamme.
> Name: Bernard Assmann(geb.1805). Possible brothers: Heinrich (geb. 1809)
> and Hermann.   Looking for connections.

The right spelling is Bauerschaft (means farm area) Osterdamme, it is a part of the town/parish Damme.
This emigrants records you can find on my Website www.honkomp.de, click "Damme - Auswanderung":

Aßmann, Bernard Bruder des Kötters Aßmann  1 1834 Osterdamme
Aßmann, Bernd wohnhaft bei Brinkhoff    1 1834 Osterdamme
Aßmann, Heinrich mit Frau, 3 Kindern, Schwiegermutter und Schwager, wohnhaft bei Mackeliening    7 1834 Osterdamme
Aßmann, Heinrich mit Frau und 3 Kindern bei Frerking  5 1835 Osterdamme
Aßmann, N.N. nebst Frau u. 1 Kind, nur einstw. bei Schönhöfet, Diekhausen 3 37/39 Fladderlohausen
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[OL]unsubscribe

Date: 2000/10/13 22:40:40
From: Debra Featherston <econdebra(a)hotmail.com>

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From: Lloyd Budwig <budwig(a)hb.quik.com>
Reply-To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [OL]Re: Stover
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 08:17:50 -0700

Hello Paula,

I am sorry we did not make a hit. My Stovers are all much earlier. However, I would suggest that you keep looking in the Oldenburg area. There are many there and there are some good church records on microfilm in the LDS library. Just will take some hard work and a lot of time. I am keeping your information, that
should I come across something, I will contact you again.

Lloyd


Paula Dewet wrote:

> Hello Suzanne,
>
> If you have the book in your possession, could you please check
> for me also on Stöver in the 1850 -1900 period?
>
> My grandfather Stover in South Africa claimed that he was born in
> Oldenburg but I cannot find anything.  His brother apparently lived
> in America and another brother died during a war.
>
> Sorry to be so forward to ask you, but if you can I would really
> appreciate your help!
>
> Regards,
> Paula
>
> >
> > > > Will you look please in the book for me for the surname Krull/Crull ?
> > > >  Manny thanks and greetings
> > > >  Betty Krull
>
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Re: [OL]Neu hier

Date: 2000/10/13 23:25:02
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hallo Tia,
schick mir rüber was du hast und ich werde sehen was ich tun kann.
Hier meine Adresse: haraldbohlemann(a)aol.com
Gruß Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Heureman

Date: 2000/10/13 23:48:54
From: jwienecke <jwienecke(a)email.msn.com>

I apologize for the redundancy. I didn't realize that Heuremann was a
derivative of Heuerleute.

Respectfully,
Jennifer

----- Original Message -----
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>
To: <Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [OL]Heureman


> On 13 Oct 2000, at 14:10, Josie Petermeier wrote:
>
> > It means a hired man
> >
> > >Does anyone know what a Heureman is. I have a ancestor from Handorf
> > >and Hude. They lived on a farm. I was thinking that it was a type of
> > >farmer.
>
> Let's not do it again. The word is Heuermann. A literal translation of
> hired man is correct but that is not what the word really MEANS.
>
> We've discussed this many, many times and further info should be
> available in the archives of this list.
>
> Very briefly, a farm by the law of the land couild not be divided at
> the time of inheritance. Only one son could get it and as a last
> resort a daughter who would soon have to marry if she was single.
> Point is what were the other siblings supposed to do? Some could
> marry into a farm elsewhere but most simply had no place to go
> and stayed on at their brother's farm as hirelings if you will. They
> could be Knechte and Mägde (farm workers) in the deirect employ
> of the owner or they could do their share of the work on the farm in
> return for a place to sleep and a small piece of land. Initially the
> place to sleep was anything with a roof like a stable or
> bakinghouse. Later some special Heuerhäuser were built - even
> double onces for two families. Without such a living arrangement
> these people really couldn't start a family so they took whatever they
> could get. Eventually the children of these people would be born
> into the state of the Heuermann who typically owned nothing. He
> contracted for a small piece of land but rarely could he survive off it.
> That is why most Heuerleute worked other jobs wherever they could
> find them. It is this landless class that formed the vast bulk of the
> emigrants who left the the area for something better. Their longing
> was to own a piece of land they could call their own and America
> offered that chance.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
>
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> Naples, FL 34114
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Re: [OL]Vechta emigrants

Date: 2000/10/14 15:00:55
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello,
in my Workingstation there are a few PUNDSACK. The town is Oldenburg (it`s 
not far from Vechta).
Greetings Harry-Bo...


RE: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/14 21:28:09
From: Han Mescher <hanmescher(a)home.nl>

Werner

There are two Thamann/Mescher marriages:
21/8/1805 Joes Theodor Josephus Mescher oo Anna Maria Elis. Thamann
23/9/1815 Joh. Henr. Thamann oo Maria Anna Catharina Thamann.
These marriages probably took place in the Roman Catholic Church of
Neuenkirchen.

Gruss

Han Mescher
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Namens Werner Honkomp
Verzonden: dinsdag 10 oktober 2000 19:38
Aan: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Onderwerp: Re: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden


Hallo Franz-Josef,
hat der Joh. Bernard Hofmann etwas mit dem Hoffmann Hof in Astrup/Vörden
etwas zu tun?

Ich suche für einen Amerikaner Thamann aus Cincinnati dessen Vorfahren. Ich
habe dazu im Kirchenbuch von Vörden den bisher ältesten Vorfahren gefunden:

Eltern: Diederich(Theodor) Thamann und Margaretha Hoffmann zu Astrup, in
Col. Hoffmann Leibzucht zu Astrup, Sohn:
*12.08.1831 Johann Bernard Theodor Thamann
            oo 02.06.1864 in Vörden, Theresia Rosemeyer *23.01.1841 Damme
Kinder:
            *31.08.1865 Astrup, Bernard Thamann, ausgewandert nach
Cincinnati
            *22.10.1874 Astrup, Maria Agnes, ausgewandert als Nonne

Ich kann die Herkunft von Diederich Thamann nicht finden. Julius Thamann aus
Nellinghof konnte mir auch nicht helfen.

Gruß Werner

> Hallo, Franz

> in Pagenstert's "Die Bauernhöfe im Amte Vechta" gibt es zum Namen Rüter
> zwei
> Einträge:

> 1. als osnabrückischer Markkotten "Rüter (Lampe)" in Damme - Sierhausen
> und
> 2. als osnabrückisches Halberbe "Rüter, jetzt Rump" in Neuenkirchen -
> Grapperhausen.

> Ob und wie die beiden zusammenhängen weiss ich nicht.

> Der Name Rüter kommt in meiner Ahnentafel vor und es ist davon auszugehen,
> daß sie von dem Markkotten in Damme stammen, wobei ihr ursprünglicher Name
> "Lampe" gewesen sein könnte:

> Johann Heinrich Rüter/Lampe, Heirat am 19.7.1815 in Damme mit Catharina
> Maria Niehus
> Kinder:   a.) Anna Maria Rüter, geb. 1.1.1817, heiratete 23.6.1853 in
> Damme
> Joh. Bernhard Heinr. Hofmann (meine Vorfahren)
>           b.) Johann Bernd, geb. 7.5.1820
>           c.) Catharina Maria Elisabeth, geb. 13.5.1823
>           d.) Bernhard Heinrich, geb. 10.3.1826
>           e.) Maria Agnes, geb. 22.5.1829
>           f.) Maria Anna, geb. 1.8.1833

> Vielleicht hilft das irgenwie weiter oder jemand aus der Liste kann noch
> ergänzende Hinweise geben.

> Franz-Josef


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Franz Felschen
> Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Oktober 2000 13:06
> An: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [OL]Rueter, Ruter, Rueter


> Ich suche Vorfahren der Familie Rüter:
> 1)
> Bernd Heinrich Rüter, geb. in Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg, Datum nicht
> bekannt;
> verheiratet ca. 1809/1810 mit Maria Adelheid von der Haar, Ort nicht
> bekannt, vermutlich Brickwedde bei Ankum.
> Sein Vater war vermutlich Heinrich Hermann Rüter (2)
> 2)
> Heinrich Hermann Rüter, geb. 21.4.1744, Geburtsort nicht bekannt
> Eltern: Bernd Rüter und Grete Richelmann

> -----------

> Also I am searching for Johann Heinrich Rüter, born Nov 2, 1872 in
> Doellinghausen parish Merzen, near Osnabrueck, Germany.
> He migrated to Cincinnati, Ohio. I don't know, how his name has been
> Americanized: Ruter or Rueter.
> Does someone know descendants of him?

> Franz




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[OL]JOHANN HEINRICH AHLERS; B: 17 May 1818

Date: 2000/10/15 00:36:44
From: Berco445 <Berco445(a)aol.com>

I am seeking the birthplace and emigration date of JOHANN HEINRICH AHLERS, 
born 17 May 1818 in Oldenburg.  He came to Cincinnati and is listed as a 
shoemaker in the City Directory of 1846.  He married in Cincinnati in 1849 
and purchased land in Mercer County Ohio in 1852 where he lived for the 
remainder of his life.  He was Catholic in religion.
I have checked parish records in Vechta, civil records in the Oldenburg 
archives, and records of the church in Oythe as well as numerous Mercer 
County Ohio records without success.  Does anyone have additional suggestions?

Allen W. Bernard
1011 Jerome Street
Cincinnati, OH
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[OL]Lampoldshausen

Date: 2000/10/15 05:32:28
From: fclarke <fclarke(a)juno.com>

 I am looking for the locations of several German towns.
 My subject, Lampoldshausen is one of them?
I would buy a Gazateer if I knew it would contain the above and 
many of the others I need.....
would appreciate a reply

Fred Clarke
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Re: [OL]Lampoldshausen

Date: 2000/10/15 07:02:32
From: M. Gauer <morbeus(a)uniserve.com>

Fred;   The best place to search for villages is the jewishgen.org 
Shtetlseeker site on the internet.   Click over to

     http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm

And search for Lampoldshausen.  You will find it listed 284.0 miles SW 
of Berlin and if you follow the Latitude/longitude link you can look 
at a map of where it is.

Regards,  Murray


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> I am looking for the locations of several German towns.
> My subject, Lampoldshausen is one of them?
>I would buy a Gazateer if I knew it would contain the above and 
>many of the others I need.....
>would appreciate a reply
>
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[OL]Hollandgaengerei and Stukkateurs/Plasterers from Wardenburg

Date: 2000/10/15 09:26:11
From: joan van ruler/carel paradies <c.paradies(a)tip.nl>

Dear John,
As you know I also heve some Knetemanns among my ancestors.
Furthermore, the first Paradies that came to Holland was a stukkateur from Tungeln near Wardenburg. So I am very interesred in everything that has to do with Stukkateurs and Wardenburg. Do you have copies of personal documents from these Hollandgaenger or do you know where I might find them?
Hope to hear from you or any one else.
Regards,
 
Carel Paradies

Re: [OL]JOHANN HEINRICH AHLERS; B: 17 May 1818

Date: 2000/10/15 14:37:30
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello Allen,
I found some Ahlers in my Oldenburg database:

-1635 i (5.11.) Anna Ahlers, Frau von Lubbe Ailts. BG: 2 Rosenobel.
-1655 h (25.10.) Anne Ahlers, Frau von Claus Ameken. BG: 2 RT. KB Oldenburg: 
Anna, T. von Dirik Ahlerß, oo 24.9.1654 Clauß Ammeken.
-1656 g 18.11. Tiede, von der Awe, Ksp. Zwischenahn, Frau von Thonnies Ahlers
. BG: 3 RT. KB Oldenburg: Tonnies Ahlers oo 1.7.1655 Geske zur Owen.
-1662 ac 30.12. Lübbe Ahlers, von Vißbeke. BG: 6 RT. KB Oldenburg: Luebe 
Allereß oo 25.9.1662 Chattrine Westigeß.
-1682 p Hilverd Brand, von Ohmstede, Fuhrmann. BG: 5 RT. KB Oldenburg: 
Hilberd Brandt, Bürger und Fuhrmann, oo 24.2.1698 Alcke Ahlers, T. von Gerd 
Alers, im Delmenhorstischen.
-1697 l (21. 9.) Dorothe Alers, von der Vechte, Frau von Johan Heine, * Hude. 
BG: 4 RT. KB Oldenburg: Dorothea Ahlers, aus der Vechte, oo 17.10.1697 Johann 
Heyn, Bürger und Zimmermann in Oldenburg. s. 1693 am.
-1697 m 18.11. Metcke Drees, * Delmenhorst, Frau von Hinrich Ahlers. BG: 8 
RT. KB Oldenburg: Mette Dreas, aus Delmenhorst, oo 19.10.1697 Henrich Ahlers. 
in Oldenburg.
-1702 b 14. 3. Hinrich Freese, * Bremen. BG: 4 RT. KB Oldenburg: Hinrich 
Freese, * Grafschaft Delmenhorst, Musketier in der Leibkompanie, oo 13.4.1704 
Maria Elisabeth Ahlers, * Fechte.
-1713 c 4. 7. Hinrich Ahlers, * Holtzenstraße. BG: 6 RT. KB Oldenburg: 
Hinrich Ahlers, S. von + Johann A., in Paradies Ksp. Altenhuntorf, oo 
31.5.1713 Anna Maria (Martini), Witwe von Marten Hilbers, Bürger und 
Kaufhändler in Oldenburg. s. 1695 g.
-1721 a 8. 4. N.N. Ahlers. BC: 6 RT. KB Oldenburg: Gerhardt Ahlers, S. von + 
Johann A. in Ohmstede, oo 22.4.1721 Wübbeke Poppen, T. von + Johann P. in 
Oldenburg.
-1730 j 15.6. Dirck Ahlers. BG: 3 RT. KB Oldenburg: Dieterich Ahlers, S. von 
Oltmann A. in Moorhausen, oo 27.6.1730 Rebecka Timmermann, T. von + Gerd T., 
Bürger in Oldenburg. s. 1732 d.
-1732 d 28. 2. N.N., Frau von Dierck Ahlers. BG: 5 RT. KB Oldenburg: Heilke 
Margarete Brokshaus, T. von + Röbe B., Hausmann im Ksp. Dötlingen, oo 
14.2.1732 Diederich Ahlers, Bürger in Oldenburg. KB Dötlingen: ~ 28.9.1710 
Heilke Margreta, T. von Röbe Brockeshauß s. 1730 j.
-1680 j 1.12. Apollonia Heshusius, T. von + Johannes H., Pastor in Hatten, 
Frau von Gerd Burman. BG: -, geschenkt, aus bewegenden Ursachen. KB 
Oldenburg: Apollonia Heshusius oo (vor 21.11.1684) Gerd Buhrman. Apollonia 
Heshusen/Heshusius oo (vor 15.4.1691) Johann Alers, Bürger in Oldenburg. KB 
Kirchhatten: Pastor Johannes Heshusius + 11.3.1667 in Kirchhatten. s. 1662 z, 
1701 a.
-1701 a 20. 9. Hermann von Kampen. BG geschenkt in Ansehung er bei Herrn 
Ratsverwandten Gerdes 11 Jahre ehr-, treu und fleißig gedient. KB Oldenburg: 
Hermann von Campen, S. von + Claus von C., im Wüstenland, oo 8.9.1701 
Apollonia (Heshusius), Witwe von Johann Alers. Hermann von Kampen, Bürger und 
Kaufhändler in Oldenburg, oo 3.3.1718 Regina Schwabe, T. von + Hanß Michael 
Sch., in Colbatz. s. 1680 j.
-1736 c 15. 5. N.N., Frau von Hinrich Conradt Hallerstedt. BG: 4 RT. KB 
Oldenburg: Catharina Margareta Alers, T. von + Hinrich A. in Bümmerstede, oo 
19.4.1736 Hinrich Conrad Hallerstede, S. von + Moritz H.

Hope that that can sometime help you. Problems to translate something, ask me.
Greetings Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Lampoldshausen

Date: 2000/10/15 14:43:59
From: o.felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Fred,
Lampoldshaausen is now part of the municipality of D-74239 
Hardthausen am Kocher in Baden-Württemberg.
Bye, Otto

fclarke(a)juno.com schrieb:
>  I am looking for the locations of several German towns.
>  My subject, Lampoldshausen is one of them?
> I would buy a Gazateer if I knew it would contain the above and 
> many of the others I need.....
> would appreciate a reply
>
> Fred Clarke
> fclarke(a)juno.com
> fclarke(a)worldnet.att.net
> Arvada Co.
> 303 424 2560
>
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[OL]Help!

Date: 2000/10/15 17:43:52
From: SJMNauman <SJMNauman(a)cs.com>

I just ran across something on the FamilySearch website.  The information 
there isn't always reliable so I wanted to see if someone could help me out.  
I found someone in my family tree listed there.  His place of birth was 
listed as Lintel, Ganderkesee, Oldenburg.  What does this mean?  I have seen 
it before as just Lintel, Oldenburg.  Thank you in advance.

Sara


Re: [OL]Lampoldshausen

Date: 2000/10/15 18:35:17
From: fclarke <fclarke(a)juno.com>

Otto, Thank you for the help
Fred Clarke
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Re: [OL]Lampoldshausen

Date: 2000/10/15 19:15:24
From: fclarke <fclarke(a)juno.com>

Thank You Murray...appreciate the help
Fred Clarke
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[OL]Rudolf Placke, Anna Marie Bonholdt

Date: 2000/10/15 19:52:10
From: Otto J. Geering <geering(a)netins.net>

Looking for birth place and date of Rudolph Placke.  1870 US census states origin:
Hanover Prucia Hanover, like wise his wife Anna Marie Bonholdt.

[OL]Lintel, Ganderkesee

Date: 2000/10/15 20:03:08
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Sara,
Lintel is a small village, part of the parish of Hude. Ganderkesee is an 
adjacent parish. Ask Dierk Feye (feye(a)topmail.de) if you want more 
information. 
Regards      Gerold Diers


Re: [OL]Help!

Date: 2000/10/15 20:16:31
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello Sara,
think I could help you. It meens:
- Place: Lintel
- Community: Ganderkesee
- Circle or county: Oldenburg
- Region: Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen)
- Country: Germany
Till next time
Harry-Bo...



[OL]Onken in Varel

Date: 2000/10/15 20:22:08
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Auskunft über das Kirchspiel Varel gibt Herr Oltmanns 
(Oltmanns-Soest(a)t-online.de). 
Gerold Diers


Re: [OL]Hollandgaengerei and Stukkateurs/Plasterers from Wardenburg

Date: 2000/10/15 21:05:33
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello Carel and John,
have you got questions about Tungeln or Wardenburg ? I know someone who can 
help you. He had more thanm 50.000 persons from Wardenburg in his computer.
His name ist: Erich Martens, Ammerländerstr. 77, 26203 Wardenburg, 04407-1620
Germany. Hope could help
Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Rudolf Placke, Anna Marie Bonholdt

Date: 2000/10/15 23:26:14
From: St. Francis <stfranc(a)bright.net>

Is this he the same Rudolph Placke that settled at
Saint Henry, Ohio?  If I am not mistakem I believe
he was from Hunteburg, Hannover. I can look at it
further if this is he.

Father David Hoying
Cranberry Prairie, Ohio

----------
From: Otto J. Geering <geering(a)netins.net>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [OL]Rudolf Placke, Anna Marie Bonholdt
Date: Sunday, 15 October, 2000 4:37 PM

Looking for birth place and date of Rudolph Placke.  1870 US census states
origin:
Hanover Prucia Hanover, like wise his wife Anna Marie Bonholdt.



[OL]My Surnames

Date: 2000/10/15 23:34:41
From: fclarke <fclarke(a)juno.com>

Any of you folks have Lindenmeiers, Sedlmayrs or Yearicks
in your trees?

Fred Clarke
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Re: [OL]Rudolf Placke, Anna Marie Bonholdt

Date: 2000/10/16 01:25:23
From: Otto J. Geering <geering(a)netins.net>

Father David Hoying

Yes, this is the Rudolph Placke I am refering to.  We visited St Henry
Parish and Cemetary on October 2, 2000.  My wife is a granddaugter of
Rudolph Placke.  We live in Iowa, but are from Ohio originally.  Would
appreciate any help you might have.

Thank You

Otto Geering &
Bona Placke Geering



[OL](no subject)

Date: 2000/10/16 01:31:32
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

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[OL]Abentrod,Abendroth,Abendrot, Jakubiak,Cybulska, Onminski

Date: 2000/10/18 22:46:38
From: Wind0spirt <Wind0spirt(a)aol.com>

Hello,
I am searching for the surnames above in the subject line. My gggrandfather 
John Abentrod married Josephine (Onminski??). I do not know if they were 
married over there or in the US, I believe John died between 1874-1880. We 
are not exactly sure when they came over to the U.S.A. They got a homestead 
in Michigan.
John had to renounce the King of Prussia, and Josephine the Empuror of ??? 
can't not read it?.
John's daughter's listed their maiden names as Cybulska/Sibulski.
I do know they lived in Michigan in 1874, so would have had to come over 
before then. I believe they came through Castle Garden in New York.
I can't find any ship names ect. but the LDS has the surname of Abentrod in 
Oldenburg in the 1600's. any help would be great, 
thank you for your time,
Cathy Obeshaw



RE: [OL]Abentrod,Abendroth,Abendrot, Jakubiak,Cybulska, Onminski

Date: 2000/10/19 09:37:48
From: margaret <margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>

Cathy, there is a lawyer Abendroth here in Amsterdam whom I have worked
with. Is it worth sending his adress to you?
regards
Margaret

Margaret R.M. Rijkelijkhuizen
Elsa Brandstromstr. 44 Haarlem 2037-LS The Netherlands
email: margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net <mailto:margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>
Tel +31 (0)23-536-8791  gsm 06 - 5105-2079
eFax/eVoice +31 (0)20 870-0463





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Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:59 PM
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [OL]Abentrod,Abendroth,Abendrot, Jakubiak,Cybulska, Onminski


Hello,
I am searching for the surnames above in the subject line. My gggrandfather
John Abentrod married Josephine (Onminski??). I do not know if they were
married over there or in the US, I believe John died between 1874-1880. We
are not exactly sure when they came over to the U.S.A. They got a homestead
in Michigan.
John had to renounce the King of Prussia, and Josephine the Empuror of ???
can't not read it?.
John's daughter's listed their maiden names as Cybulska/Sibulski.
I do know they lived in Michigan in 1874, so would have had to come over
before then. I believe they came through Castle Garden in New York.
I can't find any ship names ect. but the LDS has the surname of Abentrod in
Oldenburg in the 1600's. any help would be great,
thank you for your time,
Cathy Obeshaw


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Re: [OL]Abentrod,Abendroth,Abendrot, Jakubiak,Cybulska, Onminski

Date: 2000/10/19 16:11:21
From: Wind0spirt <Wind0spirt(a)aol.com>

thank you for your response,
I am not sure if he would be related. I can't get my gggrandfather out of 
Michigan USA. I know they had their declaration of intention around 1874, but 
I don't know the ship or exactly where they came from, only they had to 
renounce the King of Prussia and the Empuror of somewhere, unreadable.
thank you 
cathy


Re: [OL]Abentrod,Abendroth,Abendrot, Jakubiak,Cybulska, Onminski

Date: 2000/10/19 16:44:19
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 19 Oct 2000, at 9:58, Wind0spirt(a)aol.com wrote:

> thank you for your response,
> I am not sure if he would be related. I can't get my gggrandfather out
> of Michigan USA. I know they had their declaration of intention around
> 1874, but I don't know the ship or exactly where they came from, only
> they had to renounce the King of Prussia and the Empuror of somewhere,
> unreadable. thank you cathy

This is most probably the same man, ie King of Prussia and 
Emperor of Germany - these were his titles. 

Fred

. 
4788 Corian Court
Naples, FL 34114
941-775-7838
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Re: [OL]Abentrod,Abendroth,Abendrot, Jakubiak,Cybulska, Onminski

Date: 2000/10/19 17:28:28
From: Wind0spirt <Wind0spirt(a)aol.com>

Thanks Fred : )
cathy


[OL]Re: Brengelman, Geselbratch, Stratemeyer

Date: 2000/10/20 01:53:53
From: KennettW <KennettW(a)aol.com>

Death certificate of Sophia Brengelman Geselbratch (1858-1932) states that 
she was born in Oldenburg.  She married William F. Geselbratch, Jr.  It 
states that her parents were 'Gerhard Brengelman and Anna Mueller.  She is 
buried in Vine St. Cem     in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA.  

My grandfather, Dietrich Brengelman's death certificate states that he was 
born in Hanover and his parents were Gerald Brengelman and Anna Mueller.  
Dietrich Brengleman married Mary(Maria) Geselbratch.  She was born in the US. 
 He had a brother Bernhard Brengelman who accompanied him to the United 
States in 1867 according to census reports.  According to the census report 
they came over when Dietrich was 14 and Bernhard was only a year old.  Their 
parents did not come with them.  I have not found them on any ship list so 
far.  They are both buried in the Vine St. Cem., Cincinnati, Ohio.  

My great, great grandmother was Johanna Stratemeyer and married Wilhelim 
Frederick Geselbratch. They also were in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.  
Frederick's brother William Geselbratch settled in the Chicago area and he 
married a Maria Stratemeyer.  

These names, Brengelman, Geselbratch and Stratemeyer seem to be from the same 
area.  Anyone researching any of the surnames I would like to exchange 
information.
Kennett


[OL]Fw: Family

Date: 2000/10/20 09:39:36
From: Hermann Oltmanns, Soest <Oltmanns-Soest(a)t-online.de>

 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: jjRichard Busch <krbusch(a)pcom.net>
An: Oltmanns-Soest(a)t-online.de <Oltmanns-Soest(a)t-online.de>
Datum: Donnerstag, 19. Oktober 2000 01:49
Betreff: Family

I am looking for Great Grand Parents I believe from the Varel area. An Aunt told me this, but not which one. Grand father and his brother came to the US about 1892. Herman and Emil Busch, both good Lutherans. there mothers name Christine Achtenberg. On the other side of family , names are Liebeck, or Witte all I know is they came in thru Philadelphia Pa. around the same time 1885 to 1900. Thank you in advance Mr Hermann Oltmanns. Respond to krbusch(a)pcom.net
Richard W Busch
 
Kann jemand helfen? Can anybody help?
In Varel, Jade, Rastede, Wiefelstede habe ich die Personen nicht gefunden. Bitte direkt antworten.                                                              
Gruß aus Soest
 
Hermann Oltmanns

Re: [OL]Re: Brengelman, Geselbratch, Stratemeyer

Date: 2000/10/20 19:52:33
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

All this names you can find in Osnabrück, Münster, Westphalia area. Only Brengelman also in Oldenburg area. Look www.teleauskunft.de (phone directory also in english).
Werner

> Death certificate of Sophia Brengelman Geselbratch (1858-1932) states that
> she was born in Oldenburg.  She married William F. Geselbratch, Jr.  It
> states that her parents were 'Gerhard Brengelman and Anna Mueller.  She is
> buried in Vine St. Cem     in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA.

> My grandfather, Dietrich Brengelman's death certificate states that he was
> born in Hanover and his parents were Gerald Brengelman and Anna Mueller.
> Dietrich Brengleman married Mary(Maria) Geselbratch.  She was born in the
> US.
>  He had a brother Bernhard Brengelman who accompanied him to the United
> States in 1867 according to census reports.  According to the census
> report
> they came over when Dietrich was 14 and Bernhard was only a year old.
> Their
> parents did not come with them.  I have not found them on any ship list so
> far.  They are both buried in the Vine St. Cem., Cincinnati, Ohio.

> My great, great grandmother was Johanna Stratemeyer and married Wilhelim
> Frederick Geselbratch. They also were in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.
> Frederick's brother William Geselbratch settled in the Chicago area and he
> married a Maria Stratemeyer.

> These names, Brengelman, Geselbratch and Stratemeyer seem to be from the
> same
> area.  Anyone researching any of the surnames I would like to exchange
> information.
> Kennett

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[OL]Family

Date: 2000/10/20 22:38:18
From: jjRichard Busch <krbusch(a)pcom.net>

Hello Ingrid ! Sophie Witte, her father was Fred or Fredrick, and her mothers geb Mullenhard or Mullenhardt. I believe that these Wittes came to US by Philadelphia Pa. and then went on to Pittsburg Pa. They were Lutheran Brethens about 1890 to 1900. Herman Otto Ludwig Busch and Emil Gust Ernst Busch, father Whilhelm mother Ernistine Achtenberg and they came btween 1890 and1892.Other side of family Behm in 1850 from Ploben I think is be the Oder or Odra River. How can I find the old village or city that might not even exist?
Richard W Busch

[OL]J. H. Ahlers

Date: 2000/10/21 18:15:14
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 10/15/00 Allen W. Bernard writes:

<< I am seeking the birthplace and emigration date of JOHANN HEINRICH AHLERS, 
 born 17 May 1818 in Oldenburg.  >>

He was also not in the Damme records in 1818.
Nancy Pundsack


Re: [OL]J. H. Ahlers

Date: 2000/10/21 18:27:16
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

APUND(a)aol.com schreef:

> In a message dated 10/15/00 Allen W. Bernard writes:
>
> << I am seeking the birthplace and emigration date of JOHANN HEINRICH AHLERS,
>  born 17 May 1818 in Oldenburg.  >>
>
> He was also not in the Damme records in 1818.
> Nancy Pundsack
>
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In the records from the St. Vitus from Löningen and aria  he whas also not
listet.
 greetings Betty Krull




Re: [OL]Family

Date: 2000/10/21 20:23:38
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Richard,
Ploben : I have an old Atlas from 1896 but there is no Ploben. If you are shure that it is near Oder it is perhaps today Poland. Than you probably will find it http://www.toledolink.com/poznan/49zielona.html
This is the Poland Genweb.There are also Poland mailing lists where you can get help from but I dont know the adresses. The Witte will I give to my friend. It will take some time till I get an answer because he has no Computer.Í did not find the Busch now but when I go to Zetel next time( probably in January or February) I´ll look at. If this is too long for you, you can wright to the Staatsarchiv Oldenburg:Staatsarchiv Oldenburg,  Damm 43,  26135 Oldenburg, Germany
Church of Zetel: Pfarramt Zetel, Pastor Kahnt, Corporalskamp 2
If you like to do you can wright to Falk Liebezeit, Friedrichstr.25, 49356 Diepholz. This is a professionell Genealogist.
FOKO is a list where german seqarchers give there dates in. You give the name you look for and get the adress of the people which look for the same name: http://foko.genealogy.net
I hope, you can understand what I wright. My english is not really good and I´m tired. Sorry. I hope that this will help you a bit.
Ingrid
 
 
 
Hello Ingrid ! Sophie Witte, her father was Fred or Fredrick, and her mothers geb Mullenhard or Mullenhardt. I believe that these Wittes came to US by Philadelphia Pa. and then went on to Pittsburg Pa. They were Lutheran Brethens about 1890 to 1900. Herman Otto Ludwig Busch and Emil Gust Ernst Busch, father Whilhelm mother Ernistine Achtenberg and they came btween 1890 and1892.Other side of family Behm in 1850 from Ploben I think is be the Oder or Odra River. How can I find the old village or city that might not even exist?
Richard W Busch

[OL]Mit dem Latein am Ende

Date: 2000/10/21 20:25:15
From: Jens Delger <Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de>

Moin Liste,

kann mir jemand eine Internet-Resource nennen, die die lateinischen
Bezeichnungen für kirchliche Feiertage ins Neu-Sprachliche übersetzt?

Anybody able to recommend an Internet-Resource which translates Latin names of
ecclesiastical holidays?

Mea tenuitas
Jens Delger
Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de


RE: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/21 22:06:26
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Dear Han Mescher,
thank you for the marriage records.

I have a Maria Elisabeth Mescher in the IOWA-tree, you are related to this Mescher family?
I received the records from Father David Hoying.

Werner


A : Johann Herman Heinrich Tobias Mescher, geboren in Dinklage am 08. Juni 1785, gestorben in New Vienna,Iowa am 01. Mai 1859, heiratete Anna Catharina Margaretha Middendorf (geboren am 01. September 1814 in Dinklage und gestorben am 24. Januar 1868 in New Vienna,Iowa). 
(Notizen : Setteled first in Minster and moved then with children to New Vienna,Iowa)
Er hat 2 Kinder :
-------------
B.1 : Maria Elisabeth (Margaretha) Mescher, geboren in Minster/Ohio am 21. März 1840, gestorben in Petersburg,Iowa im Jahre 1865, heiratete Henrich Anton Honkomp im Jahre 1862 in Petersburg,Iowa (geboren am 07. Februar 1842 in Holdorf-Handorf,b.Hellebusch und gestorben am 26. Februar 1910 in Ashton/Iowa, Sohn von Joan Henrich Honkomp und von Maria Anna Arens). 
-------------
B.2 : Johann Heinrich Mescher, geboren in Minster/Ohio am 03. Mai 1843. 
-------------



> Werner

> There are two Thamann/Mescher marriages:
> 21/8/1805 Joes Theodor Josephus Mescher oo Anna Maria Elis. Thamann
> 23/9/1815 Joh. Henr. Thamann oo Maria Anna Catharina Thamann.
> These marriages probably took place in the Roman Catholic Church of
> Neuenkirchen.

> Gruss

> Han Mescher



RE: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/21 22:40:36
From: Han Mescher <hanmescher(a)home.nl>

Dear Werner

Yes there probably is a relationship.
I am a decendant of Joannes Bernardus Mescher b. 5-6-1792 in Neuenkirchen.
This person moved to the Netherlands and started the dutch Mescher branch.
I am currently working through the Mescher families from Neuenkirchen. I do
this together with Joe Folzenlogen who's ancesters are also related to
Mescher's from Neuenkirchen.
We are getting the Mescher families in Neuenkirchen almost complete now and
the lines go back to about 1585.
The Mescher's that move to the US are from the late 18th and early 19th
century. We are also trying to get these periods complete.

Anyone who has information to contribute for instance Mescher's from other
places in the Oldenburg region is invited to send this to me.

Greetings

Han Mescher
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Verzonden: zaterdag 21 oktober 2000 21:17
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Onderwerp: RE: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden


Dear Han Mescher,
thank you for the marriage records.

I have a Maria Elisabeth Mescher in the IOWA-tree, you are related to this
Mescher family?
I received the records from Father David Hoying.

Werner


A : Johann Herman Heinrich Tobias Mescher, geboren in Dinklage am 08. Juni
1785, gestorben in New Vienna,Iowa am 01. Mai 1859, heiratete Anna Catharina
Margaretha Middendorf (geboren am 01. September 1814 in Dinklage und
gestorben am 24. Januar 1868 in New Vienna,Iowa).
(Notizen : Setteled first in Minster and moved then with children to New
Vienna,Iowa)
Er hat 2 Kinder :
-------------
B.1 : Maria Elisabeth (Margaretha) Mescher, geboren in Minster/Ohio am 21.
März 1840, gestorben in Petersburg,Iowa im Jahre 1865, heiratete Henrich
Anton Honkomp im Jahre 1862 in Petersburg,Iowa (geboren am 07. Februar 1842
in Holdorf-Handorf,b.Hellebusch und gestorben am 26. Februar 1910 in
Ashton/Iowa, Sohn von Joan Henrich Honkomp und von Maria Anna Arens).
-------------
B.2 : Johann Heinrich Mescher, geboren in Minster/Ohio am 03. Mai 1843.
-------------



> Werner

> There are two Thamann/Mescher marriages:
> 21/8/1805 Joes Theodor Josephus Mescher oo Anna Maria Elis. Thamann
> 23/9/1815 Joh. Henr. Thamann oo Maria Anna Catharina Thamann.
> These marriages probably took place in the Roman Catholic Church of
> Neuenkirchen.

> Gruss

> Han Mescher


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RE: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/22 06:53:33
From: Josie Petermeier <jpete46(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,

I have an Elizabeth Mary Mescher who was married in about 1890 in Petersburg, Iowa. I also have Frank X Mescher and a dozen descendants.
from the Bancroft, Iowa area.

Josie
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[OL]ecclesiastical holidays

Date: 2000/10/22 18:38:17
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 10/22/00 5:49:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:

<< Anybody able to recommend an Internet-Resource which translates Latin 
names of ecclesiastical holidays? >>

I don't have an internet site for you, but I have a good German genealogical 
dictionary that include feasts. If you send me your list I'll see what the 
dictionary says.

Nancy Pundsack


Re: [OL]Mit dem Latein am Ende

Date: 2000/10/22 22:42:17
From: GENE JANSSEN <jansseng(a)email.msn.com>

http://www.heiligenlexikon.de/index.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Jens Delger <Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de>
To: Mailingliste Genealogie Oldenburg <Oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Saturday, October 21, 2000 1:14 PM
Subject: [OL]Mit dem Latein am Ende


>Moin Liste,
>
>kann mir jemand eine Internet-Resource nennen, die die lateinischen
>Bezeichnungen für kirchliche Feiertage ins Neu-Sprachliche übersetzt?
>
>Anybody able to recommend an Internet-Resource which translates Latin names
of
>ecclesiastical holidays?
>
>Mea tenuitas
>Jens Delger
>Jens.Delger(a)t-online.de
>
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[OL]Pundsack

Date: 2000/10/23 22:47:10
From: o.felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Hi, Nancy
I have one Pundsack in my ancestors list:
Margaret Pundsackborn c. 1664 in Telbrake (now Vechta), baptized in Oythe (now 
Vechta), married 23.11.1688 in Oythe Joes Wilking from Oythe. Her daughter 
Veronika Catharina (or Margaretha Catharina) Wilking was baptized 09.06.1702 in 
Oythe. She died 20.11.1733 in Telbrake.
Possibly a brother was:
Johann Heinrich Pundsack, born c. 1660, 12.04.1695 to 1736 catholic priest in 
Langförden (now Vechta).
Do you know them and/or have you more information on them?
Bye, Otto



[OL]Schurbon/Schorbahn

Date: 2000/10/24 14:36:49
From: Kurt Clasen <k_clasen(a)hotmail.com>

Trying to pinpoint the origins of an ancestor with the name of SCHURBON.  Is
this a viable spelling or did some immigration/census worker take some
liberties with spelling?  I found the name SCHORBAHN near Mecklenburg and am
wondering if it is the same.

Kurt Clasen


Re: [OL]Schurbon/Schorbahn

Date: 2000/10/24 17:18:44
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 24 Oct 2000, at 7:19, Kurt Clasen wrote:

> Trying to pinpoint the origins of an ancestor with the name of
> SCHURBON.  Is this a viable spelling or did some immigration/census
> worker take some liberties with spelling?  I found the name SCHORBAHN
> near Mecklenburg and am wondering if it is the same.
> 
> Kurt Clasen

This could be any number of Names like: Schürben or Schorben or 
something similar. 

Fred
 
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[OL]date question

Date: 2000/10/24 22:56:31
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

Hi,

is 25 bris 1672 the same as 25 Dec., 1672? 

The date also shows up as 25 X 1672 and if I remember correctly 
December stands for the 10th month. 

I don't have any source material with me on dates.

Fred


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Re: [OL]date question

Date: 2000/10/24 23:05:19
From: M Wethington <mwethington(a)home.com>

7bris, 7ber = September
8bris, 8ber = October
9bris, 9ber = November
10bris, Xbris, 10ber = December

Have a great day!
Marilyn

"W. Fred Rump" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> is 25 bris 1672 the same as 25 Dec., 1672?
>
> The date also shows up as 25 X 1672 and if I remember correctly
> December stands for the 10th month.
>
> I don't have any source material with me on dates.
>
> Fred
>
> 4788 Corian Court
> Naples, FL 34114
> 941-775-7838
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Re: [OL]date question

Date: 2000/10/25 00:17:57
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 24 Oct 2000, at 16:57, M Wethington wrote:

> 7bris, 7ber = September
> 8bris, 8ber = October
> 9bris, 9ber = November
> 10bris, Xbris, 10ber = December
> 
> Have a great day!
> Marilyn

Ok, thanks but what in the world is this bris thing? Is that from the 
Latin like Decembris? 

Fred

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Re: [OL]date question

Date: 2000/10/25 01:21:39
From: John C Polking <polking(a)rice.edu>

Here is a partial response to Fred's statement about the tenth month.  

The very early Roman calendar had ten months.  At least six of them were
named by the number of the month.  The months September through December
were the 7th through the 10th months. All of these have roots in the
latin words for the corresponding numbers.   In addition, the fifth
month was named Quintilis, and the sixth Sextilis, both with numerical
roots.  However, very early in the Roman era the months of January and
February were added to the calendar after the numbered months.

Still early in the Roman era, a king decided that the year should begin
with January, resulting in the names of the months and their order
through the year that we have now.  I suppose because of long tradition,
the names of the months were not changed, even the six that had
numerical roots that no longer had connection with reality.  

During the time of the Caesars Quintilis was change to July in honor of
Julius Caesar, and Sextilis to August in honor of Augustus Caesar. 
Since then there apparently has been noone of sufficient stature to
merit having a month named after them. 

M Wethington wrote:
> 
> 7bris, 7ber = September
> 8bris, 8ber = October
> 9bris, 9ber = November
> 10bris, Xbris, 10ber = December
> 
> Have a great day!
> Marilyn
> 
> "W. Fred Rump" wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > is 25 bris 1672 the same as 25 Dec., 1672?
> >
> > The date also shows up as 25 X 1672 and if I remember correctly
> > December stands for the 10th month.
> >
> > I don't have any source material with me on dates.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > 4788 Corian Court
> > Naples, FL 34114
> > 941-775-7838
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[OL]Pundsack

Date: 2000/10/25 01:26:43
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

Otto, the names ring a bell. I'll see what I can dig up about them.
Nancy Pundsack


Re: [OL]date question

Date: 2000/10/25 01:51:19
From: M Wethington <mwethington(a)home.com>

Fred,

So, are you thinking that in the 1600s that 25 X 1672 might be Dec and not
Oct?
I found an entry 12.XI.1875, which I assume has to be Nov. (since it is
greater than 10)
Do you think the system may have changed along the way?

Marilyn

John C Polking wrote:

> Here is a partial response to Fred's statement about the tenth month.
>
> The very early Roman calendar had ten months.  At least six of them were
> named by the number of the month.  The months September through December
> were the 7th through the 10th months. All of these have roots in the
> latin words for the corresponding numbers.   In addition, the fifth
> month was named Quintilis, and the sixth Sextilis, both with numerical
> roots.  However, very early in the Roman era the months of January and
> February were added to the calendar after the numbered months.
>
> Still early in the Roman era, a king decided that the year should begin
> with January, resulting in the names of the months and their order
> through the year that we have now.  I suppose because of long tradition,
> the names of the months were not changed, even the six that had
> numerical roots that no longer had connection with reality.
>
> During the time of the Caesars Quintilis was change to July in honor of
> Julius Caesar, and Sextilis to August in honor of Augustus Caesar.
> Since then there apparently has been noone of sufficient stature to
> merit having a month named after them.
>
> M Wethington wrote:
> >
> > 7bris, 7ber = September
> > 8bris, 8ber = October
> > 9bris, 9ber = November
> > 10bris, Xbris, 10ber = December
> >
> > Have a great day!
> > Marilyn
> >
> > "W. Fred Rump" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > is 25 bris 1672 the same as 25 Dec., 1672?
> > >
> > > The date also shows up as 25 X 1672 and if I remember correctly
> > > December stands for the 10th month.
> > >
> > > I don't have any source material with me on dates.
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > 4788 Corian Court
> > > Naples, FL 34114
> > > 941-775-7838
> > > FredRump(a)earthlink.net
> > >
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Re: [OL]Pundsack

Date: 2000/10/25 04:55:56
From: St. Francis <stfranc(a)bright.net>

Dear Otto,

I have some of the same ancestors in my line.
I will have to check further.
Father David Hoying

----------
From: o.felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [OL]Pundsack
Date: Monday, 23 October, 2000 4:34 PM

Hi, Nancy
I have one Pundsack in my ancestors list:
Margaret Pundsackborn c. 1664 in Telbrake (now Vechta), baptized in Oythe
(now 
Vechta), married 23.11.1688 in Oythe Joes Wilking from Oythe. Her daughter 
Veronika Catharina (or Margaretha Catharina) Wilking was baptized
09.06.1702 in 
Oythe. She died 20.11.1733 in Telbrake.
Possibly a brother was:
Johann Heinrich Pundsack, born c. 1660, 12.04.1695 to 1736 catholic priest
in 
Langförden (now Vechta).
Do you know them and/or have you more information on them?
Bye, Otto


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Re: [OL]date question

Date: 2000/10/25 05:37:00
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 24 Oct 2000, at 19:43, M Wethington wrote:

> Fred,
> 
> So, are you thinking that in the 1600s that 25 X 1672 might be Dec and
> not Oct? I found an entry 12.XI.1875, which I assume has to be Nov.
> (since it is greater than 10) Do you think the system may have changed
> along the way?
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> John C Polking wrote:
> 
> > Here is a partial response to Fred's statement about the tenth
> > month.
> >
> > The very early Roman calendar had ten months.  

I don't know. I suppose by 1875 XI meant eleven but in 1672 X 
meant December and really the 12th month? 

This is one of those entries for which I did not note a proper source 
or better I did not photo copy the source. I just wrote down what I 
saw and didn't annotate the entry as to when and where. I'm sure at 
the time I didn't know what it was either and meant to check it out 
later. 

This is for the church book of Cappeln. I guess I'll 'assume' 
December. What's a month or two among freinds right?

Fred


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Re: [OL]date question

Date: 2000/10/25 14:59:28
From: TedSned <TedSned(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 10/24/2000 4:44:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
fredrump(a)earthlink.net writes:

> is 25 bris 1672 the same as 25 Dec., 1672? 
>  
>  The date also shows up as 25 X 1672 and if I remember correctly 
>  December stands for the 10th month. 
>  

Fred,
The "bris" is the word ending "-ber" in the Latin genitive case.  Under the 
old Julian calendar, September was the seventh month, and so on.  Septem = 7, 
Octo = 8, Novem = 9, Decem = 10.  In those days, the "-ber" months were often 
"shorthanded" to
7ber, 7bris (September)
8ber, 8bris (October)
9ber, 9bris (November)
10ber, 10bris (December)

Or, they may have been written with the Roman numeral equivalent (VII, VIII, 
IX, X).  

Thus a date written "25 Xbris 1672" means 25th of December 1672.  But a date 
written "25 X 1672" would be 25th of October 1672, assuming this place, like 
many others in German lands by this time, had gone to the 1 January New Year 
date (Gregorian).  

Regards,
Ted Snediker


Re: [OL]date question

Date: 2000/10/25 17:30:17
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 25 Oct 2000, at 8:45, TedSned(a)aol.com wrote:

> Thus a date written "25 Xbris 1672" means 25th of December 1672.  But
> a date written "25 X 1672" would be 25th of October 1672, assuming
> this place, like many others in German lands by this time, had gone to
> the 1 January New Year date (Gregorian).  
> 

That can really get confusing but I appreciate the explanation. 

Fred

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Re: [OL]Popken, Post, Meyer u. Rahmann Forschung

Date: 2000/10/25 21:57:03
From: Ingrid Heine <ingrid.heine(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Gene,
 ich habe unter den Vorfahren meiner Großmutter einen Philip Lüders Popken,
der 1774 in Nanens im Wüggeler Kirchspiel gelebt hat. Er war der Sohn aus
erster Ehe von Sehle Pokker Hinrichs+ 1.5.1761. Die Tochter aus zweiter Ehe
ist Tamke Maria Hinrichs, meine Vorfahrin. Sie hat außerdem einen Vetter
Hinrich Müller, der in Sillenstede geboren ist und später Hausmann in Sande
war. Die Daten stammen aus der Familiengeschichte, die mir meine Großmutter
Therese Schweers hinterlasssen hat. Sie hatte übrigens eine SchwesterAnna
Wilhelmine * 4.7.1882 in Grabstede, die mit einem Friedrich Gerhard Janssen
geb. 3.1.1877 verheiratet war und in den 1920ger Jahren  in die USA
ausgewandert ist. Vielleicht kannst Du damit ja etwas anfangen.
Liebe Grüße



> Ich suche weiters von den folgenden Namen vermutlich aus Sandeler
> Kirchspiel:
>
> Greetke Post * 18 Apr 1818  oo at Sandel  to Gerd Wilken Popken * ca. 29
Sep
> 1817 Grappermöns
> Nach dem Tod seiner Frau ist Gerd Wilken Popken mit einer Tochter nach USA
> ausgewandert 1874.
>
> Gesche Catharine (Katherine) Siddon (Popken) * 2 Juni 1874 Sandel
>
> Popken, Gretke Katherine  *24 Oct 1865, Sandel
>
> Popken, Hauke Katharina  *28 Oct 1845, Sandel
>
> Popken, Popke  Warfsmann zu Grappermöns/Sandel oo Haucke B. Rahmann,
Sandel
>
> P
> Popken, Popke   *28 Jan 1851 Sandel, Ostfr., ~16 Feb 1851 Sandel
>
> Meyer, Friedrich  Schumacher von Jever, * ?,   + before 1754, oo ?
>
> (Johan) Hinrich Meyer * ca. 1729  (Jever?)
>
>
>
>
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[OL]Pundsack

Date: 2000/10/25 23:35:59
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 10/25/00 5:49:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net writes:

<< I have one Pundsack in my ancestors list:
 Margaret Pundsackborn c. 1664 in Telbrake (now Vechta) >>

Hi, Otto,
Re "Margaret Pundsackborn c. 1664 in Telbrake (now Vechta), baptized in Oythe 
(now 
Vechta), married 23.11.1688 in Oythe Joes Wilking from Oythe"

I have a Margaretha Pundtsack baptised 10 March 1661. Her parents were 
Henrich Arnold Pundtsack and Margaretha Bergment (or Borgmont? I don't have a 
print of the record to study.) who were married 6 Nov 1658.
Margaretha had a brother named Johan Henrich, bap. 3 Apr 1659.

Jo'es Wilkinck and Margaretha Pundsack married, as you say, 23.11.1688.

Then in 1689 start the births to Joannes Wilkinck and Margaretha Puntsack:
9 Oct 1689  Jo'es Herman
20 Dec 1693  Catharina Maria Wilkinck
9 Oct 1695  Margaretha Aleidis
2 Feb 1698  Henricus Alard
5 Apr 1707  Anna Elisabeth

I haven't found the birth of  "Veronika Catharina (or Margaretha Catharina) 
Wilking ...baptized 09.06.1702" but I'm still looking. Do you have the record 
for that birth?

I have another Pundsack-Wilking marriage, but it was about 1855: Herman 
Heinrich Wilking and Mary Elisabeth Pundsack.

Nancy Pundsack


Re: [OL]Pundsack

Date: 2000/10/26 05:02:27
From: St. Francis <stfranc(a)bright.net>

----------
From: o.felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [OL]Pundsack
Date: Monday, 23 October, 2000 4:34 PM

Hi, Nancy
I have one Pundsack in my ancestors list:
Margaret Pundsackborn c. 1664 in Telbrake (now Vechta), baptized in Oythe
(now 
Vechta), married 23.11.1688 in Oythe Joes Wilking from Oythe. Her daughter 
Veronika Catharina (or Margaretha Catharina) Wilking was baptized
09.06.1702 in 
Oythe. She died 20.11.1733 in Telbrake.
Possibly a brother was:
Johann Heinrich Pundsack, born c. 1660, 12.04.1695 to 1736 catholic priest
in 
Langförden (now Vechta).
Do you know them and/or have you more information on them?
Bye, Otto


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[OL]Forschungsgebiete - Teil 1

Date: 2000/10/26 19:43:04
From: Martina Lalk <mlalk(a)nwn.de>

Ich bin kürzlich dazugestoßen und möchte hiermit meine Forschungsgebiete (1. Hälfte) mitteilen.
Die Schwerpunkte liegen in Berne, Ganderkesee und Großenkneten. Jahrgänge gebe ich nicht an, da es sonst zu unübersichtlich wird. Das meiste liegt im 18. und 19. Jahrhundert. 20. Jahrhundert ist nicht dabei. Alle sind lutherisch.
 
Berne, Bardewisch, Altenesch:
Wenke, Lösekann, Voigt, Cassebohm, Denker, Pundt, Ascher, Blumenthal, Koch, Kruse, Bauer, Bulle, Lüders, Koopmann, von Ronnen, Sosath
 
Warfleth: Helmers
Hasbergen: Plate, Vaged, Dawelsberg, Flügger, Engelbart

Oldenburg: Kieselhorst
Harpstedt: Rüsse, Plümer, Freese
Huntlosen: Rüther
Dötlingen: Hilling
Delmenhorst: Hillmann

Hude: Hagestedt, Munderloh
 
Ganderkesee: Osterloh u. v. m.
Großenkneten: Hellbusch u. v. m.
 
Martina Lalk

[OL]Forschungsgebiete - Teil 1 (ohne HTML)

Date: 2000/10/26 21:49:45
From: Martina Lalk <mlalk(a)nwn.de>

Ich bin kürzlich dazugestoßen und möchte hiermit meine Forschungsgebiete (1.
Hälfte) mitteilen.

Die Schwerpunkte liegen in Berne, Ganderkesee und Großenkneten. Jahrgänge
gebe ich nicht an, da es sonst zu unübersichtlich wird. Das meiste liegt im
18. und 19. Jahrhundert. 20. Jahrhundert ist nicht dabei. Alle sind
lutherisch.

Berne, Bardewisch, Altenesch:
Wenke, Lösekann, Voigt, Cassebohm, Denker, Pundt, Ascher, Blumenthal, Koch,
Kruse, Bauer, Bulle, Lüders, Koopmann, von Ronnen, Sosath

Warfleth: Helmers
Hasbergen: Plate, Vaged, Dawelsberg, Flügger, Engelbart

Oldenburg: Kieselhorst
Harpstedt: Rüsse, Plümer, Freese
Huntlosen: Rüther
Dötlingen: Hilling
Delmenhorst: Hillmann
Hude: Hagestedt, Munderloh

Ganderkesee: Osterloh u. v. m.
Großenkneten: Hellbusch u. v. m.

Martina Lalk





Re: [OL]Forschungsgebiete - Teil 1 (ohne HTML)

Date: 2000/10/26 22:39:50
From: Frank Giere <frank.giere(a)web.de>

Hallo,

Nächste Woche erscheint ein neues Jahrbuch für das Oldenburger Münsterland. Hier jedenfalls die Meldung aus der OV von morgen(27.10.) mit weiteren Informationen. 

Gruss

Frank


Damme (kpl) - Ein Jubiläum: Zum 50. Mal ist das Jahrbuch für das
Oldenburger Münsterland erschienen. Ab kommenden Dienstag
ist es für 16 Mark unter anderem in den Buchhandlungen und bei
der OV zu haben. 460 Seiten umfasst jeder Band. Gedruckt hat
die 6500 Bücher die Vechtaer Druckerei und Verlag. 
Bereits gestern haben Hartmut Frerichs, der Präsident des
Heimatbundes für das Oldenburger Münsterland, und Professor
Dr. Helmut Ottenjann das Buch im Rathaus der Stadt präsentiert,
die am 4. November den Münsterlandtag ausrichtet.
Bürgermeister Hans-Georg Knappik hatte zu der Vorstellung
eingeladen. 

Das Titelblatt ziert eine Aufnahme des Dammer Rathauses und
seines Vorplatzes. Im Inneren findet sich nach Worten Hartmut
Frerichs eine hervorragende Mischung aus einem Rückblick in die
Kulturgeschichte des Oldenburger Münsterlandes sowie aus
Blicken in die Gegenwart und die Zukunft. Bei der inhaltlichen
Gestaltung, so Dr. Ottenjann, habe sich der Redaktionsausschuss an Ergebnissen einer Umfrage orientiert, die er letztes Jahr durchgeführt
hatte. 

So sei dem Wunsch von Lesern Rechnung getragen worden und
der kulturgeschichtliche Teil von 100 auf 200 Seiten ausgedehnt
worden. Darüber hinaus geht es um aktuelle Themen wie den
Umweltschutz und die Naturkunde, aber auch um das Gewerbe
im Oldenburger Münsterland, dem der Redaktionsausschuss zukünftig wegen seiner immer größeren Bedeutung mehr Gewicht einräumen möchte.


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[OL]Fels-Uhr in Ruestringen Varel

Date: 2000/10/26 23:11:48
From: dominique.ostertag <dominique.ostertag(a)wanadoo.fr>

Bonjour
I'm searching on the family Fels in Varel (Oldenburg)
List of names
Fels-Uhr-Lackmann-Meyer-Wiederman-Jansen-Duschke.

Dominique Ostertag
dominique.ostertag(a)wanadoo.fr 
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dominique.ostertag/



[OL]TR: Fels-Uhr in Ruestringen Varel

Date: 2000/10/26 23:21:21
From: Dominique Ostertag <D.Ostertag(a)oksoft.net>

Bonjour
I'm searching on the family Fels in Varel (Oldenburg)
List of names
Fels-Uhr-Lackmann-Meyer-Wiederman-Jansen-Duschke.

Dominique Ostertag



Re: [OL]Forschungsgebiete - Teil 1 (ohne HTML)

Date: 2000/10/27 11:06:55
From: Betty Krull <e.krullbaks(a)palm.a2000.nl>

Frank Giere schreef:

> Hallo,
>
> Nächste Woche erscheint ein neues Jahrbuch für das Oldenburger Münsterland. Hier jedenfalls die Meldung aus der OV von morgen(27.10.) mit weiteren Informationen.
>
> Gruss
>
> Frank
>
> Damme (kpl) - Ein Jubiläum: Zum 50. Mal ist das Jahrbuch für das
> Oldenburger Münsterland erschienen. Ab kommenden Dienstag
> ist es für 16 Mark unter anderem in den Buchhandlungen und bei
> der OV zu haben. 460 Seiten umfasst jeder Band. Gedruckt hat
> die 6500 Bücher die Vechtaer Druckerei und Verlag.
> Bereits gestern haben Hartmut Frerichs, der Präsident des
> Heimatbundes für das Oldenburger Münsterland, und Professor
> Dr. Helmut Ottenjann das Buch im Rathaus der Stadt präsentiert,
> die am 4. November den Münsterlandtag ausrichtet.
> Bürgermeister Hans-Georg Knappik hatte zu der Vorstellung
> eingeladen.
>
> Das Titelblatt ziert eine Aufnahme des Dammer Rathauses und
> seines Vorplatzes. Im Inneren findet sich nach Worten Hartmut
> Frerichs eine hervorragende Mischung aus einem Rückblick in die
> Kulturgeschichte des Oldenburger Münsterlandes sowie aus
> Blicken in die Gegenwart und die Zukunft. Bei der inhaltlichen
> Gestaltung, so Dr. Ottenjann, habe sich der Redaktionsausschuss an Ergebnissen einer Umfrage orientiert, die er letztes Jahr durchgeführt
> hatte.
>
> So sei dem Wunsch von Lesern Rechnung getragen worden und
> der kulturgeschichtliche Teil von 100 auf 200 Seiten ausgedehnt
> worden. Darüber hinaus geht es um aktuelle Themen wie den
> Umweltschutz und die Naturkunde, aber auch um das Gewerbe
> im Oldenburger Münsterland, dem der Redaktionsausschuss zukünftig wegen seiner immer größeren Bedeutung mehr Gewicht einräumen möchte.
>
> -------------
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> http://www.giere.de
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Hallo,
Wie von Euch wil so lieb sein und das büch fur mir kaufen und mir das
 zuschicken?
 Naturlich Überweis ich die kosten so schnell wie möchlich.
Liebe grüsse Betty Krull




[OL]Niehaus/Macke

Date: 2000/10/27 14:54:42
From: Michele Brofft <mamster(a)isoc.net>

I am looking information on my gggrandmother,  Marie Elisabeth Niehaus
Laake.  b.1821 in Damme, Oldenburg.  m.Garrett Laake (of
Hanover,Germany) on Nov.26 1844 in Cincinnati, Ohio.  She died April
23 1890 in Cincinnati, Ohio.  I am looking for her parents and any
siblings she may have had.
Thank you
Michele Brofft






Re: [OL]Fels-Uhr in Ruestringen Varel

Date: 2000/10/27 17:05:10
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Please write to Hermann Oltmanns (Oltmanns-Soest(a)t-online.de). He is expert 
on the parish of Varel.
Gerold Diers


[OL]Beneke and Ostmann

Date: 2000/10/27 21:45:50
From: Deshotton <Deshotton(a)aol.com>

Am looking for Henrich Anton Beneke who was married to Anna Maria Ostmann and 
at least one child, Anna Maria Beneke, was born around 1800 in Hagen near 
Vechta.  Have found Beneke's in Oythe but not Henrich Anton.  What parish 
would Hagen belong to so I can check films from the area?  
Any information on these lines would be greatly appreciated.
Diane Shotton
Phoenix  


[OL]Butjadingen, Stadland, Varel, Jade und umzu (Teil 2)

Date: 2000/10/27 21:55:34
From: Martina Lalk <mlalk(a)nwn.de>

Hiermit sende ich den zweiten Teil meiner Linien (die Lutheraner nördlich
von Oldenburg).

Martina Lalk

Winkelsheide: Prass
Jeringhave: Prass, Suhren, Hintzen, Oeltjen, Carstens, Oltmanns
Dangast: Blanke, Klostermann, Tieken
Obenstrohe: Bodemann, Sasse, Wiechmann, Ebken
Borgstede: Ahlers, Abken
Varel-Nordende: Scheper
Seghorn: Röben, Klusmann, Husendorf, upn Rahling
Altjührden: Theilen, Timmermann, Schmidt
Jethausen: Altmann, Theyssen

Jaderberg: Lammers, Hake, Wessels, Spiekermann, Lübben
Jaderkreuzmoor: Schwarting, Lange, Bartels, Meyer
Jaderbollenhagen: Siefken, Freels, Bullenhagen
Jader Vorwerk: Lammers

Bokel: Bruns
Borbeck: Bruns
Neuenkruge: Bruns
Gristede: Schwarting, Femming, Willie, Tebbie, Eiting
Wiefelstede: Kuck

Grabstede: Renken
Bockhorn: Quathamer, Popken, Altmann
Bohlenberge: Müller
Zwischenahn: Brader, von der langen Brücke
Aue: Thien, Willie
Tange: Budde, Carstens
Hahn: Tietjen
Hankhausen: zur Mühlen, Hemken
Etzhorn: Eilers

Eckwarden: Ricklefs
Esenshamm: Flint
Stollhamm: Heinemann
Strohausen: Hohn
Langwarden: Struck
Tossens: Quathamer, Struck, Ricklefs





Re: [OL]Beneke and Ostmann

Date: 2000/10/27 23:03:22
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Diane,
Hagen is a part of the parish Vechta.

What I have is:

Maria Anna Josephine, born 17.Febr.1815
Johann Josef, born 08.05.1817
parents: Johann Gottfried Beene (not Beneke) lived in Hagen, born 1760 in Essen
         married 27.April 1814 in Vechta to widow Maria Gertrud Brackmann

Ostmann coud be Ortmann.


> Am looking for Henrich Anton Beneke who was married to Anna Maria Ostmann
> and
> at least one child, Anna Maria Beneke, was born around 1800 in Hagen near
> Vechta.  Have found Beneke's in Oythe but not Henrich Anton.  What parish
> would Hagen belong to so I can check films from the area?
> Any information on these lines would be greatly appreciated.
> Diane Shotton
> Phoenix

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[OL]Pundsack

Date: 2000/10/27 23:22:08
From: o.felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>

Dear Father David and dear Nancy,
many thanks for your information :-)))
You seem to be about 7th grade cousins to my wife. In a separate mail I will 
send you a DOC-file in which I tried to bring the lines together.
I have more information on you Frye, Ostmann, and Wilking families:
Frye:
Henrik de Vrye, * c. 1440, + c. 1510
Berndt Fryge, * c. 1470, + < 1549
Gerdt de Frie, * c. 1520, + c. 1590
Berndt Frie, * < 1555, + c. 1595
Henrich Frie (Frye), * c. 1544 or c. 1565, + 1614
Henrich Frye, * 1598, oo 1624 Gertraud Meyer, + c. 1665
	children:
	Henrich, * c. 1625
	Berndt, * c. 1627
	Joan Frye, * c. 1630
	Gerdt, * ?

Ostmann:
either Thiadrad or Albward, both * c. 850
Johan van Osten, * c. 1460
Hinerk Oistman, * c. 1490
Johan van Osten, * c. 1520

Wilking:
Johan Wilkinck, * c. 1450
N.N. Wilking, * c. 1600
Bernd Wilking, * 1622, + 1723
Joes Wilking, * 1665, + 1774
(Wilking seems to be a family with "Methusalem-genes": Bernd is reported to have 
reached 101 years,  Joes 109 years; or are there some mistakes?)

I have many details about these persons. I will translate it and send it to you 
in the next days.

Bye, Otto



RE: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden

Date: 2000/10/27 23:27:44
From: margaret <margaret(a)rijkelijkhuizen.net>

Han Mescher, I have a Bertels branch here in Holland which comes from
Neunkirchen. I have reason to believe they are related to the Mesum line.
I would appreciate very much any tidbits you might come across (I do check
the Juling / Winter websites on this also)
Gruss

Margaret

Margaret R.M. Rijkelijkhuizen
Elsa Brandstromstr. 44 Haarlem 2037-LS The Netherlands
email: margaret@ rijkelijkhuizen.net <mailto:rijkelijkhuizen(a)iname.com>
Tel +31 (0)23-536-8791  gsm 06 - 5105-2079
eFax/eVoice +31 (0)20 870-0463

Researching the following direct ancestors (kwartierstaat)
van der Aer, Albers, van Antwerpen, Averberg, Avercamp, van der Beck,
Bertels, de Beus, Billiens, van Blankenstein, uit den Boe, Bockers, Book,
van Bourgonje, Bramer,van Breukelen, Breukers, van der Brull, Cappelhaus,
van der Cleij, Coenen, Deiters, van Diest, van Dordt, Duineveld, Ebbe,
Erfoort, Fanckman, van Gaal, Gast, Gelardi, Glazenmaker, de Goijer, van
'sGravenmade, Haar, den Harder, van Hazelendonck, Heere, van der Heijden,
Hoogenboom, Hoogers, van Hoorn, Hoppenbrouwer, Hijmans,  de Jong, Jonker,
Kaak, Kappeteijn, Kerkvliet, van Keuls, van der Klugt, de Koning, Korrel,
Krijne, van der Laan, Lammers, Langeveld, van der Lans, Lantsman, van
Leeuwen, Lefebre, van der Lelie, van Lelieveldt, van der Leth, Leugers, van
der Loos, Mareveld, van Medemblik, Moellering/Moellers, Moerkerk, Mosterman,
Nelis, Nieuwlandt, Nijenhuijs, van Os, van Ottelen, Oudemolen, Paardekooper,
Pel, Perk, Prenger, Pruijm, Quint, Randeraat, Renckens, Rensen, Reijerse, de
Rode, van Roon, Ruijgrok, de Ruijter, van Rijckelijckhuijsen, Salari,
Sandbrink,  Schoorl, van Schooten, Schrama, Schutte, Smink, Solari,
Sprokkelenburg,  Staringks,  Starkenburg,  Stens, van Strien,  Stuve,
Sylvester,  van Tetrode, van Thien, Treckeler, van Tuyl, van Velzen,
Verduijn/Voorduijn, Vernath, van Vliet, de Vlieger, in den Vogelendonck,
Voorendt, Vrolijk, van Wadenoyen, Wenker, Westerbeek, Westgeest, Wevers,
v/d Wielen, van Wieringen, de Wilden, Wilms, Wilhelmer, Wijsmans, Xanders,
Zuijdervaart, van der Zwet

Also (van) Rijk/Reeck/en/lijck//huijzen in all its many variations.


-----Original Message-----
From: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Han Mescher
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2000 9:58 PM
To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: RE: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden


Dear Werner

Yes there probably is a relationship.
I am a decendant of Joannes Bernardus Mescher b. 5-6-1792 in Neuenkirchen.
This person moved to the Netherlands and started the dutch Mescher branch.
I am currently working through the Mescher families from Neuenkirchen. I do
this together with Joe Folzenlogen who's ancesters are also related to
Mescher's from Neuenkirchen.
We are getting the Mescher families in Neuenkirchen almost complete now and
the lines go back to about 1585.
The Mescher's that move to the US are from the late 18th and early 19th
century. We are also trying to get these periods complete.

Anyone who has information to contribute for instance Mescher's from other
places in the Oldenburg region is invited to send this to me.

Greetings

Han Mescher
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Namens Werner Honkomp
Verzonden: zaterdag 21 oktober 2000 21:17
Aan: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
Onderwerp: RE: AW: [OL]Hoffmann Thamann Astrup/Voerden


Dear Han Mescher,
thank you for the marriage records.

I have a Maria Elisabeth Mescher in the IOWA-tree, you are related to this
Mescher family?
I received the records from Father David Hoying.

Werner


A : Johann Herman Heinrich Tobias Mescher, geboren in Dinklage am 08. Juni
1785, gestorben in New Vienna,Iowa am 01. Mai 1859, heiratete Anna Catharina
Margaretha Middendorf (geboren am 01. September 1814 in Dinklage und
gestorben am 24. Januar 1868 in New Vienna,Iowa).
(Notizen : Setteled first in Minster and moved then with children to New
Vienna,Iowa)
Er hat 2 Kinder :
-------------
B.1 : Maria Elisabeth (Margaretha) Mescher, geboren in Minster/Ohio am 21.
März 1840, gestorben in Petersburg,Iowa im Jahre 1865, heiratete Henrich
Anton Honkomp im Jahre 1862 in Petersburg,Iowa (geboren am 07. Februar 1842
in Holdorf-Handorf,b.Hellebusch und gestorben am 26. Februar 1910 in
Ashton/Iowa, Sohn von Joan Henrich Honkomp und von Maria Anna Arens).
-------------
B.2 : Johann Heinrich Mescher, geboren in Minster/Ohio am 03. Mai 1843.
-------------



> Werner

> There are two Thamann/Mescher marriages:
> 21/8/1805 Joes Theodor Josephus Mescher oo Anna Maria Elis. Thamann
> 23/9/1815 Joh. Henr. Thamann oo Maria Anna Catharina Thamann.
> These marriages probably took place in the Roman Catholic Church of
> Neuenkirchen.

> Gruss

> Han Mescher


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Re: [OL]Pundsack

Date: 2000/10/28 02:19:40
From: St. Francis <stfranc(a)bright.net>

Dear Otto,

Thank you very much for the information.
I attemoted to open up the file sent with your
other e-mail, and it came up in a coded computer
language, and I do not know how to "translate" it
with the computer.

Thank you,
Father David

----------
> From: o.felschen <o.felschen(a)t-online.de>
> To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: [OL]Pundsack
> Date: Friday, 27 October, 2000 5:08 PM
> 
> Dear Father David and dear Nancy,
> many thanks for your information :-)))
> You seem to be about 7th grade cousins to my wife. In a separate mail I
will 
> send you a DOC-file in which I tried to bring the lines together.
> I have more information on you Frye, Ostmann, and Wilking families:
> Frye:
> Henrik de Vrye, * c. 1440, + c. 1510
> Berndt Fryge, * c. 1470, + < 1549
> Gerdt de Frie, * c. 1520, + c. 1590
> Berndt Frie, * < 1555, + c. 1595
> Henrich Frie (Frye), * c. 1544 or c. 1565, + 1614
> Henrich Frye, * 1598, oo 1624 Gertraud Meyer, + c. 1665
> 	children:
> 	Henrich, * c. 1625
> 	Berndt, * c. 1627
> 	Joan Frye, * c. 1630
> 	Gerdt, * ?
> 
> Ostmann:
> either Thiadrad or Albward, both * c. 850
> Johan van Osten, * c. 1460
> Hinerk Oistman, * c. 1490
> Johan van Osten, * c. 1520
> 
> Wilking:
> Johan Wilkinck, * c. 1450
> N.N. Wilking, * c. 1600
> Bernd Wilking, * 1622, + 1723
> Joes Wilking, * 1665, + 1774
> (Wilking seems to be a family with "Methusalem-genes": Bernd is reported
to have 
> reached 101 years,  Joes 109 years; or are there some mistakes?)
> 
> I have many details about these persons. I will translate it and send it
to you 
> in the next days.
> 
> Bye, Otto
> 
> 
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[OL]Harri-Bo

Date: 2000/10/28 17:34:34
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Harald,
seit einiger Zeit verfolge ich deine umfangreichen Antworten aus dem
Oldenburgischen und wende mich gleich ganz speziell mit einer Frage an dich.
Ich wohne zwar nicht so weit entfernt, aber es kostet ja doch sehr viel Zeit, in
Oldenbuirg direkt zu schauen.

Ich such weitere Informationen über eine Familie Hibbeler, vor allem eine Ehe und
die Geburten der Kinder von

Johann Conrad Hibbeler, Küfner auf dem Eversten * 7.10.1756 und seiner Ehefrau

Seine Eltern: Johann Hibbeler und Gesche

Schönen Dank im Voraus
Anneliese aus Neuenburg





[OL]Wachtendorf ancestors

Date: 2000/10/28 18:08:03
From: Mary L Cervantes <mary1114(a)fuse.net>

Hello all !

Please accept my apology for not being able to write in German.  I have
been researching my family history for only 2 years, but have the
assistance of my late mother's extensive research.  According to my
mother's notes, one set of my ggg-grandparents were born in Oldenburg.
Their names are:

Henry Wachtendorf (born circa 1800?)  and his wife, Anna Eliza
Wachtendorf, born January, 1800.  They had three (3) sons, all of whom
were also born in Oldenburg
   My mother's notes indicate the entirefamily emigrated circa 1852:

1. Conrad Fred Wachtendorf (my gg-grandfather), b. 11 June 1832 in
Oldenburg; d. 11 April 1888 in Cincinnati, OH.  He emigrated to
Cincinnati with his family in 1852.
         Conrad married:
      (Maria) Louisa Tegeder, born 19 January 1840, in Dielingen; died
25 July 1920 in Cincinnati,OH.  Louisa emigrated in 1856.  They met and
married in Cincinnati, date   unknown as yet.

2. Henry J. Wachtendorf, born December 1836 in Oldenburg, died 31
January 1912 in Cincinnati.

3. Richard Wachtendorf, b. 1841 in Oldenburg and died in Cincinnati?
-date unknown as yet.

Another set of my maternal ggg-grandparents came from Epe.  Their
surnames are Buhrlage and Breckwede and they emigrated to the Cincinnati
in 1847-1848.


Any information regarding my ancestors would be deeply appreciated. I
would especially like to know the birth and marriage dates of Henry and
Anna Eliza Wachtendorf as well as Anna Eliza's maiden name.   I would be
happy to share information, including old photos, of my ancestors.

Best Wishes,
Mary Louise Cervantes
Cincinnati, OH, USA





Re: [OL]Butjadingen, Stadland, Varel, Jade und umzu (Teil 2)

Date: 2000/10/28 18:38:18
From: japgrosse <japgrosse(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Martina,
es bleibt ja nicht aus, wenn wir im gleichen Gebiet forschen. Schau mal die
rot  markierten Namen an, die habe ich auch in mehr oder weniger Nebenlinien
in meiner Ahnenliste. Ich hab noch nicht genau nach Orten kontrolliert, aber
ich werde nach und nach die Namen durchgehen und dich nach Näherem fragen und
dir meine Daten schicken.
Weitere Namen als die markierten habe ich aus anderen, aber nahe gelegenen
Orten, z.B. Renken aus Jeringhave, Hohn aus Jaderaußendeich.. Wie geht´s am
Einfachsten?
Anneliese

Hab ich Teil 1 verpasst? Schickst du ihn mir nochmal?

Martina Lalk schrieb:

> Hiermit sende ich den zweiten Teil meiner Linien (die Lutheraner nördlich
> von Oldenburg).
>
> Martina Lalk
>
> Winkelsheide: Prass
> Jeringhave: Prass, Suhren, Hintzen, Oeltjen, Carstens, Oltmanns
> Dangast: Blanke, Klostermann, Tieken
> Obenstrohe: Bodemann, Sasse, Wiechmann, Ebken
> Borgstede: Ahlers, Abken
> Varel-Nordende: Scheper
> Seghorn: Röben, Klusmann, Husendorf, upn Rahling
> Altjührden: Theilen, Timmermann, Schmidt
> Jethausen: Altmann, Theyssen
>
> Jaderberg: Lammers, Hake, Wessels, Spiekermann, Lübben
> Jaderkreuzmoor: Schwarting, Lange, Bartels, Meyer
> Jaderbollenhagen: Siefken, Freels, Bullenhagen
> Jader Vorwerk: Lammers
>
> Bokel: Bruns
> Borbeck: Bruns
> Neuenkruge: Bruns
> Gristede: Schwarting, Femming, Willie, Tebbie, Eiting
> Wiefelstede: Kuck
>
> Grabstede: Renken
> Bockhorn: Quathamer, Popken, Altmann
> Bohlenberge: Müller
> Zwischenahn: Brader, von der langen Brücke
> Aue: Thien, Willie
> Tange: Budde, Carstens
> Hahn: Tietjen
> Hankhausen: zur Mühlen, Hemken
> Etzhorn: Eilers
>
> Eckwarden: Ricklefs
> Esenshamm: Flint
> Stollhamm: Heinemann
> Strohausen: Hohn
> Langwarden: Struck
> Tossens: Quathamer, Struck, Ricklefs
>
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Re: [OL]Wachtendorf ancestors

Date: 2000/10/28 19:43:47
From: Dem13 <Dem13(a)aol.com>

Mary,

Your Fred Wachtendorf and Louisa married in Cincinnati on March 8, 1859 in 
St. Paul's German Evangelical Church.  Were both sides of the the family 
Protestant?  Most of the Oldenburgers who came to Cincinnati were from the 
southern part of the Duchy and Catholic.  I don't know where Dielingen is, so 
maybe she was the Protestant.  I did not find your Fred Wachtendorf (assuming 
the birth date is correct) in Steinfeld, Lohne, Dinklage or Holdorf in 
Oldenburg.  

A Wilhelmina Kuhlmann (nee Wachtendorf) died in Cincinnati on May 22, 1908, 
and her obituary was in the Cincinnati Volksfreund on May 24.  It lists her 
town on birth, so maybe this is a sister or a cousin, from which you could 
get the town.  

Also, there was a Margaretha K. Wachtendorf (nee Bockhoff) who died in 
Cincinnati on May 21, 1896 and is listed in the May 22 & 23 issues of the 
Cincinnati Freie Presse and Cincinnati Volksblatt, with an age (57y, 8m) and 
place of birth.  She may be an in-law, but if she was married before coming 
to America or was from the same town, it could also be a lead to where your 
family is from.  

Pagenstert (book listing farms in Kreis (county) Vechta in Oldenburg, where 
many Cincinnati Oldenburgers came from) lists a Brickwede farm in Osterfeine 
(by Damme Oldenburg).  I have never seen the name Buhrlage, but I have seen 
many others with the same -lage ending (like Urlage) frm the southern 
Oldenburg area.

Just so you know, most of the Catholic records for the southern part of 
Oldenburg are in the FHC in Norwood.  

Don 



In a message dated 10/28/00 11:55:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mary1114(a)fuse.net writes:


> Hello all !
> 
> Please accept my apology for not being able to write in German.  I have
> been researching my family history for only 2 years, but have the
> assistance of my late mother's extensive research.  According to my
> mother's notes, one set of my ggg-grandparents were born in Oldenburg.
> Their names are:
> 
> Henry Wachtendorf (born circa 1800?)  and his wife, Anna Eliza
> Wachtendorf, born January, 1800.  They had three (3) sons, all of whom
> were also born in Oldenburg
>    My mother's notes indicate the entirefamily emigrated circa 1852:
> 
> 1. Conrad Fred Wachtendorf (my gg-grandfather), b. 11 June 1832 in
> Oldenburg; d. 11 April 1888 in Cincinnati, OH.  He emigrated to
> Cincinnati with his family in 1852.
>          Conrad married:
>       (Maria) Louisa Tegeder, born 19 January 1840, in Dielingen; died
> 25 July 1920 in Cincinnati,OH.  Louisa emigrated in 1856.  They met and
> married in Cincinnati, date   unknown as yet.
> 
> 2. Henry J. Wachtendorf, born December 1836 in Oldenburg, died 31
> January 1912 in Cincinnati.
> 
> 3. Richard Wachtendorf, b. 1841 in Oldenburg and died in Cincinnati?
> -date unknown as yet.
> 
> Another set of my maternal ggg-grandparents came from Epe.  Their
> surnames are Buhrlage and Breckwede and they emigrated to the Cincinnati
> in 1847-1848.
> 
> 
> Any information regarding my ancestors would be deeply appreciated. I
> would especially like to know the birth and marriage dates of Henry and
> Anna Eliza Wachtendorf as well as Anna Eliza's maiden name.   I would be
> happy to share information, including old photos, of my ancestors.
> 
> Best Wishes,
> Mary Louise Cervantes
> Cincinnati, OH, USA
> 
> 
> 



Re: [OL]Wachtendorf ancestors

Date: 2000/10/28 19:51:16
From: HaraldBohlemann <HaraldBohlemann(a)aol.com>

Hello Mary Louise,
I found anything about WACHTENDORF in the Oldenburg data-base :

08.12.1739 Conrad Hinrich Wachtendorff. Buergergeld: 3 Reichstaler. 
Kirchenbuch Oldenburg: Conrad Hinrich Wachtendorff, Sohn von Bernhard 
Wachtendorff in Wildeshausen, oo 3.12.1739 Anna Catharina, Witwe von Hermann 
Johann Kreye. Anna Catharina Tapken, Tochter von + Johann Tapken, Bürger und 
Kaufmann in Oldenburg, oo 20.10.1733 Huermann Johann Kreye, Sohn von + Anton 
K., Bürger und Kaufmann in Oldenburg. Kirchenbuch Wildeshausen: ~ 29.6.1714 
Wildeshausen, Cord Hinrich, Sohn des Berend Wachtendorf und der Catharina, 
geborene Donnerberg.

If you have problems to translate, ask me ! Greetings
Harry-Bo...


Re: [OL]Wilkens

Date: 2000/10/31 20:47:53
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>

Being catholic reduces the number of potential parishes to about 30 (the 
southern part of Oldenburg). What does his tombstone say ? Is there any 
correspondance left with German left-behinds? 
Gerold 


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Date: 2009/07/05 23:06:55
From: Unknown <Unknown(a)>