hannover-l - Nachricht 2008-10 00026

[MJJALambert <MJJALambert(a)...]

Hello Don,
Thank you for this information. To be honest,  I had not yet noticed  the 
birth date discrepancies. So, theoretically my g-g Grandfather's 1st 3  children 
could have had different mother (and therefore a different original  
surname?).  At the time of his marriage to Wilhelmine, there was an infant  (Ruben), a 
theory could be that the mother died in childbirth, and he re-married  soon 
after; but nothing in my research to date has indicated this...so will need  to 
look harder.  I had a response from a government statistics  representative 
who said he had information on my g-g's and the first 2 children,  so will wait 
and see what he has that may shed some light on this.  
I had noticed the "Hauswirt" for both fathers, and had planned on looking  it 
up tonight. So thanks for saving me time.
Janis
In a message dated 10/3/2008 7:12:11 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
svcygnus(a)... writes:
 
Hi  Janis,
What a great bit of new data for you!
I  believe your interpretation of the data is correct.   I'm not sure  if
you understand that "Hauswirt" is not a name, but an occupation or  title:
I believe "Hauswirt" translates as "landlord", i.e. someone who  owns
property and rents or leases it to others.
In the  "good old days", before surnames were "fixed in stone", what we
think of as  a surname was usually the name of the farm that a person owned
or was  associated with.   If a man married a woman who had inherited a  farm,
either from her father, or through the death of her first husband,  (e.g.
"Hof Bünger"), he usually took the farm's name as his surname  (therefore
"Cord Krieger" became "Cord Bünger" after he married "Sophie  Bünger" and
thereby became the owner of the Bünger farm).   While  the eldest son usually
inherited the farm, if there were no sons, the  daughter would obviously
inherit it.   Also, sometimes all the  sons would have married and inherited
their wive's property (and name), and  in those cases the eldest daughter
would frequently inherit the  farm.
A "Dragoner" is a cavalry soldier.   I  suppose this indicates that
Gerhard was in the cavalry at the time of his  marriage in 1860.
Since the first three children of your  great-great grandparents were
born prior to their marriage, it is possible  that Cord Krieger was not their
biological father; they may have been the  children of a previous husband of
Sophie Margarethe Bünger.    While it was not uncommon for a couple to have a
child before or shortly  after their marriage, I think it would have been a
bit unusual to have  three over a period of four years.
Don Roddy

On Fri,  Oct 3, 2008 at 12:25 AM, <MJJALambert(a)... wrote:

> Thank  you again for this wonderful information. As I do not read the
>   German language except for what I can interpret from an old  
German-English
> dictionary, I would like to be sure that I am  interpreting the information
>  correctly.
> Please tell me  if I am correct.
>
> Eltern:  this is "parents", so the  father of Gerhard Friederich Bünger  was
> Hauswirt Cord Hinrich  Bünger who was born with the surname Krieger  in
> Marl?
>  And his mother was Sophie Margarethe born with the  surname  Bünger....this
> is a
> little confusing to me, did the   husband sometimes take the wife's surname?
>
> The parents  of  Wilhelmine Wulf were Hauswirt Hermann Friedrich Wulf   from
> Hüde and Sophie Charlotte who was born with the surname  Fischvogt?
>
>
> What does the notation "1860 Dragoner"  mean?
>
> I hope that I am translating correctly.
>  Janis
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/2/2008 9:31:00  P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>  MJJALambert(a)...  writes:
>
> Thank  you very very much. This is very exciting  information for me as I
> have
> not previously found any  information on my great-great grandparents
> families. Can you tell me  the source of this marriage  data?
> Janis
>
>
>  In a message dated 10/2/2008 1:09:44 P.M. Mountain  Daylight  Time,
> von-husen(a)... writes:
>
> Their    marriage date and location:
>
> Bünger, Gerhard Friedrich
>  *  11.10.1836  Marl; Eltern: Hauswirt Cord Hinrich Bünger geb.  Krieger  zu
> Marl und Sophie  Margarethe geb. Bünger; 1860  Dragoner
> ∞  30.11.1860 Burlage
> Wulf,  Sophie Louise  Wilhelmine
> * 18.10.1836  Hüde; Eltern: Hauswirt Hermann   Friedrich Wulf zu Hüde und
> Sophie  Charlotte geb.   Fischvogt
>
>
> Ludger von   Husen
>  von-husen(a)...
>
>
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> Von:    hannover-l-bounces(a)...
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>  MJJALambert(a)...
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Oktober  2008   06:22
> An: hannover-l(a)...
> Betreff: [HN] Bunger   family in  Hannover area
>
> I am looking for any information  about  the marriage date  and location,
>  the
>  parents and siblings for  my great-great  grandparents.   I  do not know
> what
> records  are available or  how  to access them. I have also been  unable  to
>  locate
> their  immigration records to the United States. I  do  know that  they
> arrived
>
> between 1864 and  1865.  The  church records in the   USA give some
>  information
> on
> where  they lived in Germany based  on  where  their children were  born.
>  There
>
> are some  discrepancies in how the  German   locations are named, but do
> list
>  a
>
> parish of Burlage or  Buerlager, in Bemfords,   Hannover. Any help  will be
> greatly
>  appreciated..
>
> Their names and birth information   -
> Gerhard  Frederick BUNGER
> born: 11 Oct 1837, Morl,  Diepholz,   Kingdom  Hanover, Germany
>
>  Married  Wilhelmine Sophie Louise WOLF   (WULF) (Her father's  name is
>  thought
>
> to be Herman)
>  born:  18  Oct 1836, Hude, Diepholz, Hanover,   Germany
>
> Their  Children born in  Germany  were:
>
> Sophie (Charlotte Sophie)  BUNGER
> born: 15  Sep  1856,  Parish Buerlager, Hanover,  Germany
>
>  Henry Charles (Heinrich  Kurt) BUNGER
> born: 17 Jul   1858,  Parish Burlage, Bemfords, Hannover,  Germany
>
>  Reuben  (Frederick Heinrich Rudolph) BUNGER
> born: 28 Aug   1860,  Hanover,  Germany
>
> George Louis   (Heinrich Ludwig Georg  )  BUNGER
> born: 4 Mar  1864,  Bemforde, Hanover,  Germany
>
> Thank  you very  much.
> Janis    Clausen
>
>
>
>
>
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