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[HN] Happy new year to all

Date: 2008/01/01 03:31:55
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>

Happy New Year to all
Enjoy world wide party photos from USA FOX news

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2988,00.html#1_55

Pam Homeyer Sullivan
Little Rock USA


Re: [HN] Happy new year to all

Date: 2008/01/01 03:35:42
From: maryjane O'C-L <maryjane_ocl(a)hotmail.com>

A very Happy New Year to you too Pam and to Everyone on this list, May 2008 bring you all Health and Happiness.
MaryJane ...Suffolk UK> From: hope9(a)comcast.net> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:31:41 -0600> Subject: [HN] Happy new year to all> > Happy New Year to all> Enjoy world wide party photos from USA FOX news> > http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2988,00.html#1_55> > Pam Homeyer Sullivan> Little Rock USA> > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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[HN] Happy New Year from Toronto, Canada

Date: 2008/01/01 04:34:31
From: tesluk <tesluk(a)rogers.com>

We are 1 1/2 hours from our New Year!
Much love, peace and happinesws to all.
Alexandra


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Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:31:41 PM
Subject: [HN] Happy new year to all

Happy New Year to all
Enjoy world wide party photos from USA FOX news

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2988,00.html#1_55

Pam Homeyer Sullivan
Little Rock USA

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Re: [HN] Kirchenbücher Ronnenberg ?

Date: 2008/01/01 09:44:48
From: Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>

Hallo,
üner den Link www.familienkunde-niedersachsen.de findest Du einen Link des
Genealogen Ewig, Familienforscher im Calenberger Land. Dort könntest Du
fündig werden.

LG
Peter Meister
NS Allen Mitgliedern der Mailing-Liste wünsche ich ein glückliches
erfolgreiches Neues Jahr..

Am 31.12.07 schrieb Hansdieter Behnke <hansdieter.behnke(a)t-online.de>:
>
> Hallo,
>
>
>
> weiß jemand, ob es außer dem Mormonen-Film 1742623 noch eine Möglichkeit
> gibt, andere Kirchenbücher (evtl. auch Standesamtunterlagen) zu Ronnenberg
> anzusehen? Wo und wann wäre das gegebenenfalls möglich?
>
>
>
> Herzliche Grüße aus Berlin und allen ein gesundes und erfolgreiches Neues
> Jahr
>
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Re: [HN] Hannover location

Date: 2008/01/01 10:28:34
From: Hanno V. J. Kolbe <kolbe(a)hicleones.com>

Hello Seria
Looking for the location where one of my ancestors was born. The place of birth is listed as: Carlsrad, Herbstadt, Hannover. He was born in 1841. I have a current map of Germany, but could not find this place.
There are elements which do not fit together.

Is this information a transcription or can you read it from the original ?

There is a 'Herbststadt' in Bavaria. (unlikely, isn't it ?)

The closest I can come to match the three Names are

Hallstedt, Harpstedt (?!) , Henstedt, Horstedt (all in Kr. Syke)
+ Kolnrade (Colnrade, Kollenrade) (also Kr. Syke).
Harpstedt and Kolnrade are about 10 miles apart ... and both AGer. Bassum

Does this make sense ?

Happy New Year !!
(There are elections in 2008 ? Right ? So it should be a happy year ...)

Hanno V.J.Kolbe


[HN] Familie Rosenbaum aus Hannover um 1880

Date: 2008/01/01 12:32:34
From: WLeue <WLeue(a)aol.com>

Hallo,
 
suche Informationen zur Familie Rosenbaum aus Hannover.
 
Daten:   Emma Bertha Emilie Kauf, geb. am 11. April 1886 in  Hannover, 
Tochter der Eheleute
 
             Ofensetzer Johann Konrad Kauf, geb: am 28. November 1859 in 
Flawil/Schweiz
             Ehefrau      Johanna Kauf, geborene Rosenbaum - ohne  weitere 
Daten -
 
wohnhaft 1886 , Hannover, Schäferdamm 2 a.
 
Wer kann Angaben zur Familie "Rosenbaum", wahrscheinlich jüdischem  Glaubens, 
 machen.
 
Wolfgang  Leue
Halser Str. 29
D-94034 Passau
Tel.: +49(0)6251/593134
Mail:  wleue(a)aol.com



   

Re: [HN] Kirchenbücher Ronnenberg ?

Date: 2008/01/01 12:41:08
From: Holger Bremer <holgerbremer(a)googlemail.com>

Hallo, ja du kannst die KB im Kirchenbuchamt in Hannover einsehen. Gruß
Holger

Am 01.01.08 schrieb Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>:
>
> Hallo,
> üner den Link www.familienkunde-niedersachsen.de findest Du einen Link des
> Genealogen Ewig, Familienforscher im Calenberger Land. Dort könntest Du
> fündig werden.
>
> LG
> Peter Meister
> NS Allen Mitgliedern der Mailing-Liste wünsche ich ein glückliches
> erfolgreiches Neues Jahr..
>
> Am 31.12.07 schrieb Hansdieter Behnke <hansdieter.behnke(a)t-online.de>:
> >
> > Hallo,
> >
> >
> >
> > weiß jemand, ob es außer dem Mormonen-Film 1742623 noch eine Möglichkeit
> > gibt, andere Kirchenbücher (evtl. auch Standesamtunterlagen) zu
> Ronnenberg
> > anzusehen? Wo und wann wäre das gegebenenfalls möglich?
> >
> >
> >
> > Herzliche Grüße aus Berlin und allen ein gesundes und erfolgreiches
> Neues
> > Jahr
> >
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Re: [HN] Hannover location

Date: 2008/01/01 15:54:55
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>





I found a Carlsbad on Google in Germany.
Max




---- "Hanno V. J. Kolbe" <kolbe(a)hicleones.com> wrote: 
> Hello Seria
> >  
> > Looking for the location where one of my ancestors was born. The place of  
> > birth is listed as:
> >  Carlsrad, Herbstadt, Hannover.  He was born in 1841. 
> >  I have a current map of Germany, but could not find this place.
> >   
> There are elements which do not fit together.
> 
> Is this information a transcription or can you read it from the original ?
> 
> There is a 'Herbststadt' in Bavaria. (unlikely, isn't it ?)
> 
> The closest I can come to match the three Names are
> 
> Hallstedt, Harpstedt (?!) , Henstedt, Horstedt (all in Kr. Syke)
> + Kolnrade (Colnrade, Kollenrade) (also Kr. Syke).
> Harpstedt and Kolnrade are about 10 miles apart ... and both AGer. Bassum
> 
> Does this make sense ?
> 
> Happy New Year !!
> (There are elections in 2008 ? Right ? So it should be a happy year ...)
> 
> Hanno V.J.Kolbe
> 
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Re: [HN] Hannover location

Date: 2008/01/01 17:28:40
From: BARKER0106 <BARKER0106(a)aol.com>

Hanno,
These were on some old 'cards' that were given to me in OH. I think this is  
what the family wrote down. The last name is Siemer. Would that make any  
difference?
 
Thanks. 
Seria



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[HN] Hamburger Adressbücher im 19. Jahrhundert --- war: Carl Rudolph SCHACHT * um 1802

Date: 2008/01/01 18:55:20
From: Albert Emmerich <Emmerich.Albert(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Liste,

inzwischen hat sich eine Spur des Gesuchten ergeben: Er ist in einem Hamburger Adressbuch von 1847 aufgeführt. Die Kopie dieses Eintrags werde ich in Kürze erhalten.

Wer weiß, ob z.B. Anmeldedaten o.ä. für Einwohner von Hamburg vor 1847 zur Verfügung stehen? Daraus würde sich dann vielleicht auch der Geburtsort und/oder die Eltern herausfinden lassen.


Ein gesundes, erfolgreiches Jahr 2008!

Albert (Emmerich)
Cremlingen



Alte Anfrage:

Subject: Carl Rudolph SCHACHT * um 1802

Hallo an alle!

Wegen einer Anfrage Nachfahren in Australien suche ich:
Carl Rudolph Schacht, * um 1802 in ? evtl Hambuch (laut Einbürgerungsdokument)
Ehefrau: Emilie
Kinder:  Jean Henri (John Henry) * um 1838
         Carl Wilhelm * um 1844 in Elsass-Lothringen ??
ausgewandert nach Australien von Hamburg aus am 30.8.1848 mit dem Schiff "Steinwarder".



Re: [HN] Hamburger Adressbücher im 19. Jahrhundert --- war: Carl Rudolph SCHACHT * um 1802

Date: 2008/01/01 19:33:20
From: GerdaSingh <gerdasingh(a)alice-dsl.de>

Hallo Albert,

in den Beständen des Hamburger Staatsarchivs gibt es den Bestand "Meldewesen" beginnend ab 1826. Mit Glück ist der Gesuchte in eines der Bücher aufgeführt, sofern er von außerhalb kam.

Mehr zu den o.g. Beständen http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/behoerden/staatsarchiv/start.html hier im Menü links -> Bestände -> Beständeübersicht -> runtercrollen auf Beständeübersicht, Beschreibung... -> dann als Suchwort "Meldewesen" eingeben.

Viele Grüße
Gerda (Singh)


----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Emmerich" <Emmerich.Albert(a)t-online.de>
To: "NLF" <nlf(a)genealogy.net>; "Hannover-Liste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:00 PM
Subject: [HN] Hamburger Adressbücher im 19. Jahrhundert --- war: Carl Rudolph SCHACHT * um 1802


Hallo Liste,

inzwischen hat sich eine Spur des Gesuchten ergeben: Er ist in einem Hamburger Adressbuch von 1847 aufgeführt. Die Kopie dieses Eintrags werde ich in Kürze erhalten.

Wer weiß, ob z.B. Anmeldedaten o.ä. für Einwohner von Hamburg vor 1847 zur Verfügung stehen? Daraus würde sich dann vielleicht auch der Geburtsort und/oder die Eltern herausfinden lassen.


Ein gesundes, erfolgreiches Jahr 2008!

Albert (Emmerich)
Cremlingen



Alte Anfrage:

Subject: Carl Rudolph SCHACHT * um 1802

Hallo an alle!

Wegen einer Anfrage Nachfahren in Australien suche ich:
Carl Rudolph Schacht, * um 1802 in ? evtl Hambuch (laut Einbürgerungsdokument)
Ehefrau: Emilie
Kinder:  Jean Henri (John Henry) * um 1838
        Carl Wilhelm * um 1844 in Elsass-Lothringen ??
ausgewandert nach Australien von Hamburg aus am 30.8.1848 mit dem Schiff "Steinwarder".


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[HN] to Debbie

Date: 2008/01/01 19:40:14
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info>

>   Thank you for responding to me about my grandfather. I am having
> such a hard time finding the town he is from on the immagration papers > it says bohemia austria but my aunt says morvia

That's probably Moravia, a region in Europe.

Here's a description of the ship, but you may already have found this:
http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipb.htm

Tell us his name - maybe we can find some other places to search.


> can you help me find this town I know he left hte port of Berman in 1902 in the spring and arrived here on the barbarossa in new york in may of 1902 but I can't find him at ellis or anywhere else. I have tried to locate the Barbarossa's passinger list but the ship was taken opver and used during ww ii as a battle ship I haven't been able to find anyone with the records.
>
> I can track all of my relitives very easy here in the u. s. but once the boat docked here it was as they never existed. what do I do??
>
>   Thanks for your help
>   Debbie Ramsey
>   ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com



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Re: [HN] to Debbie re Bohemia and Austria

Date: 2008/01/01 23:45:04
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Bohemia was part of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire.  Look for old maps online -- and look in European history books -- for the information that you need.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mona 
  To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:40 PM
  Subject: [HN] to Debbie


  >   Thank you for responding to me about my grandfather. I am having
   > such a hard time finding the town he is from on the immagration 
  papers > it says bohemia austria but my aunt says morvia

  That's probably Moravia, a region in Europe.

  Here's a description of the ship, but you may already have found this:
  http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipb.htm

  Tell us his name - maybe we can find some other places to search.


   > can you help me find this town I know he left hte port of Berman in 
  1902 in the spring and arrived here on the barbarossa in new york in may 
  of 1902 but I can't find him at ellis or anywhere else. I have tried to 
  locate the Barbarossa's passinger list but the ship was taken opver and 
  used during ww ii as a battle ship I haven't been able to find anyone 
  with the records.
   >
   >   I can track all of my relitives very easy here in the u. s. but 
  once the boat docked here it was as they never existed. what do I do??
   >
   >   Thanks for your help
   >   Debbie Ramsey
   >   ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com



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Re: [HN] Hannover location

Date: 2008/01/02 00:41:44
From: William Taber <willgen(a)mac.com>

Hello Seria,

I used the website tool "Town Search" on the JewishGen website and entered Carlsrad with a Soundex search.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp

One of the results was Karlsrode, which I think might be the one you are looking for. It is not in Hannover, but located between Göttingen and Leipzig. Go to Google Maps
http://maps.google.com
and for the location, cut and paste this:
Karlsrode Dietersdorf, Sangerhausen, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany

Then click search.  Then zoom out.
Directly north of Karlsrode about 20-25 miles is a town named Halberstadt (possibly your Herbstadt?).
===================================
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:35:38 EST
From: BARKER0106(a)aol.com
Subject: [HN] Hannover location
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

Looking for the location where one of my ancestors was born. The place of
birth is listed as:

Carlsrad, Herbstadt, Hannover.  He was born in 1841.

I have a current map of Germany, but could not find this place.

Thanks for any information.

Seria

[HN] Meyer in Kaltenhof / Langendorf

Date: 2008/01/02 13:17:23
From: Manfred <Manfred.Puffahrt(a)t-online.de>

Guten Tag,

gab es um 1725 einen Kuhhirten Johann Meyer in Kaltenhof und 

wenn, hatte er eine Schwester Namens Anna Margaretha geb. um 1700?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Manfred Püffahrt


[HN] Schroeder/ Ostheide

Date: 2008/01/02 17:20:51
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>

Hi, 
I banged my lap top trying to pick it up off the floor from the bed. People tell me by the blue words on the screen saying something about f8 key and safe  mode, I may have to get it refraged or some such term.  I only hope files stay. In mean time I had access to husbands desktop today.
 
{smile} I also lost the  Ostheide book for three four days. I was so happy to see it. I looked for the Schroder name for freds and williams in german of course. None. I found Henrick and Heinrich and a Johann Heinrich Schroeder.
 I had  seen a tree somewhere with  Schroeder from Suttorf.
  I know quite a few people in the Dahlenburg and Oldendorf area have come from Suttorf. 
I could send you that tree I am interested in that I have mentioned many times. It has many Schroeders. And Meyer from Walmsburg as well as Meyer from Torwe. I am not sure where their Schroder family stemmed from. It is a family heritage of hof
number 30 at oldendorf. Rossburg, Ahrens, Michels, Koopman, Bruns, Harms,Schlicht. And many villages mentioned even from Barskamp.
 
Schroder such a lot of people with it. Our american settlers sure seemed to propogate and move around, didn't they. I saw a old old movie last night with the guy from Paint your wagon as some kind of cia agent. He was talking of two people having two children and how they propogate into billions of people.
 
I am from Mn. Never heard of Fountain. New one on me. But then I bet there are thousands of towns I have not heard of.{ I know not to end with preposition, but it is my german heritage that is hard to break. Perhaps a new years resolution is in order.
 
Anyway, happy new year to everyone.
I will try and email the little tree tomorrow.
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[HN] Schroeder/ Ostheide

Date: 2008/01/02 17:20:59
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>

Hi, 
I banged my lap top trying to pick it up off the floor from the bed. People tell me by the blue words on the screen saying something about f8 key and safe  mode, I may have to get it refraged or some such term.  I only hope files stay. In mean time I had access to husbands desktop today.
 
{smile} I also lost the  Ostheide book for three four days. I was so happy to see it. I looked for the Schroder name for freds and williams in german of course. None. I found Henrick and Heinrich and a Johann Heinrich Schroeder.
 I had  seen a tree somewhere with  Schroeder from Suttorf.
  I know quite a few people in the Dahlenburg and Oldendorf area have come from Suttorf. 
I could send you that tree I am interested in that I have mentioned many times. It has many Schroeders. And Meyer from Walmsburg as well as Meyer from Torwe. I am not sure where their Schroder family stemmed from. It is a family heritage of hof
number 30 at oldendorf. Rossburg, Ahrens, Michels, Koopman, Bruns, Harms,Schlicht. And many villages mentioned even from Barskamp.
 
Schroder such a lot of people with it. Our american settlers sure seemed to propogate and move around, didn't they. I saw a old old movie last night with the guy from Paint your wagon as some kind of cia agent. He was talking of two people having two children and how they propogate into billions of people.
 
I am from Mn. Never heard of Fountain. New one on me. But then I bet there are thousands of towns I have not heard of.{ I know not to end with preposition, but it is my german heritage that is hard to break. Perhaps a new years resolution is in order.
 
Anyway, happy new year to everyone.
I will try and email the little tree tomorrow.
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Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 48, Eintrag 34

Date: 2008/01/02 17:37:40
From: Nikolaus Ordemann <i.u.n.ordemann(a)unitybox.de>

Hi Cactus Flower and others,
good intentions for 2008 could be:
We shall never more use such topics/references in our emails like
"Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 48, Eintrag 34".

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Re: [HN] Schroeder/ Ostheide

Date: 2008/01/02 21:46:08
From: Gerald Bailey <g.bailey3308(a)sbcglobal.net>

Thanks for the info. Fountain is in Fillmore county which is in the SE corner of Minnesota next to the Iowa line. If you take highway 52 South of Rochester for about 30 miles you will find Fountain which is a small town just 9 miles South of Chatfield which is 20 miles South of Rochester. Hope that I now have you lost????? All I know about the Schroeder family is that both Fred and brother Welhelm came from Hannover, Germany. Please send Schroeder family tree if you find it. Thanks. Gerry, I can not read German..

jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com> wrote:  
Hi, 
I banged my lap top trying to pick it up off the floor from the bed. People tell me by the blue words on the screen saying something about f8 key and safe mode, I may have to get it refraged or some such term. I only hope files stay. In mean time I had access to husbands desktop today.

{smile} I also lost the Ostheide book for three four days. I was so happy to see it. I looked for the Schroder name for freds and williams in german of course. None. I found Henrick and Heinrich and a Johann Heinrich Schroeder.
I had seen a tree somewhere with Schroeder from Suttorf.
I know quite a few people in the Dahlenburg and Oldendorf area have come from Suttorf. 
I could send you that tree I am interested in that I have mentioned many times. It has many Schroeders. And Meyer from Walmsburg as well as Meyer from Torwe. I am not sure where their Schroder family stemmed from. It is a family heritage of hof
number 30 at oldendorf. Rossburg, Ahrens, Michels, Koopman, Bruns, Harms,Schlicht. And many villages mentioned even from Barskamp.

Schroder such a lot of people with it. Our american settlers sure seemed to propogate and move around, didn't they. I saw a old old movie last night with the guy from Paint your wagon as some kind of cia agent. He was talking of two people having two children and how they propogate into billions of people.

I am from Mn. Never heard of Fountain. New one on me. But then I bet there are thousands of towns I have not heard of.{ I know not to end with preposition, but it is my german heritage that is hard to break. Perhaps a new years resolution is in order.

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I will try and email the little tree tomorrow.
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Re: [HN] Kirchenbücher Ronnenberg ?

Date: 2008/01/03 11:57:13
From: Hansdieter Behnke <hansdieter.behnke(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
vielen Dank für die Informationen über die Möglichkeit zur Einsicht in
Kirchenbücher von Ronnenberg im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover.
Herzliche Grüße
Hansdieter Behnke




[HN] Ahrens/Ohlrogge

Date: 2008/01/03 19:34:46
From: Marina Schlobohm <marinaschlobohm(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo,
   
  ich suche die Familie von Claus Ahrens und Anne Ohlrogge, geb. 31.07.1784 gest. 06.05.1865 in Lamstedt.
  Die Kinder sind:
  Anna geb. 1805, Anna Margaretha geb. 1806, Betha geb. 1808, Maria geb. 1810, Mettha geb.1812, Gesch Margareth geb. 1814, Johann geb. 1818, alle sind in Seehausen/Grasberg geboren.
   
  Falls mir jemand helfen kann, wäre ich sehr dankbar.
   
  Herzliche Grüße aus Grasberg
   
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[HN] Schroder/ ostheide/ subject line

Date: 2008/01/03 19:58:58
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>

I understand too about the deleting of the 'hannover list and issue number' and it should be my resolution, I got it! 
But well. I may try hard but that calls for a  small miracle. Same for my spelling and grammer. More hope for the latter.
I wish for a better  year with less incidents.[ smile]
 
I want to apologize for the repeat of the post. This computer is so slow. I am halfway accross  the page with my typing before the words appear on the screen. I didn't think the first letter had gotten through. I know now to wait.
I wish to correct the name Rossburg to Rosseborg and Rosseburg mentioned in last letter in another issue.  since  I know there are others interested. Some of the family are found at Himbergen Uelzen. The Harms and some of the Rosseburg members. While waiting for possible ownership of hof thirty they had their own welfare to tend to and so lived at various places. Those villages of their spouses. etc.  Barendorf is mentioned. So any of Hch. Porths books could come into play with more information. In my Ostheide book I am taking into account of the names of village land owners of Bahrendorf.[ hope that is spelled right] I think there are two Barendorf.
 
 
I saw the name Luman in the book. It surprised me to see it spelt that way in the 'olden days'.
Heres to a better new year. [Clink]
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[HN] Fundstück SCHWICK aus Landesbergen/Amt Stol zenau

Date: 2008/01/03 21:38:51
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>

Liebe Liste!
 
Aus dem OSB Asel (Ostfriesland):
 
Nr. 653
Janßen, Johan Tiardes, * 15.3.1796, + 22.12.1869 Asel, Kleidermacher, oo
 
Lucie Marie Dorothea SCHWICK, * 1801, aus Landesbergen im Hannoverschen Amte Stolzenau, + 4.11.1828 Asel
 
Ein erfolgreiches Jahr 2008, Grüße aus Schwaben,
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Re: [HN] Ahrens/Ohlrogge

Date: 2008/01/04 04:08:39
From: Fred Buck <fredbuck(a)sprynet.com>

Hallo Marina,

Ich fand die folgenden Informationen über die Familie von Claus Ahrens und
Anna Ohlrogge aus der Ahrens Stammtafeln aus dem genealogischen
Aufzeichnungen des Bördemuseum Lamstedt:

Claus Ahrens, Kötner aus Lamstedt, und Anna Ohlrogge, * 1784, + 6.5.1865

Kinder:

1) Maria, * 6.11.1820, Lamstedt
2) Cathrina * 28.11.1823, Lamstedt
3) Friedrich * 22.1.1824, Lamstedt
4) Harm  * 29.1.1827, Lamstedt, + 6.4.1849, gefallen in einen Gefecht!,
Holstein.

Die Stammtafeln gab keine weiteren Informationen über die Familie.   Ich
kann, um einige zusätzliche Informationen über die Familie aus der Kirchen
Lamstedt und Grasberg Kirchenbücher. Ich habe Zugang zu diesen
Aufzeichnungen bis 1852.

Viele Grüße aus Cincinnati, Ohio,

Fred Buck





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To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: [HN] Ahrens/Ohlrogge


Hallo,

  ich suche die Familie von Claus Ahrens und Anne Ohlrogge, geb. 31.07.1784
gest. 06.05.1865 in Lamstedt.
  Die Kinder sind:
  Anna geb. 1805, Anna Margaretha geb. 1806, Betha geb. 1808, Maria geb.
1810, Mettha geb.1812, Gesch Margareth geb. 1814, Johann geb. 1818, alle
sind in Seehausen/Grasberg geboren.

  Falls mir jemand helfen kann, wäre ich sehr dankbar.

  Herzliche Grüße aus Grasberg

  Marina (Schlobohm)


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[HN] De Rooy

Date: 2008/01/04 17:57:55
From: Bernd H . Siebert <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Liste!

Die folgende mail erhielt ich aus mir nicht bekannten Gründen. Kann jemand aus der Liste dem Herrn Neven helfen?

Gruß
Bernd



Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:

Von: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be>
Datum: 1. Januar 2008 15:19:36 MEZ
An: <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de>
Betreff: De Rooy
Antwort an: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be>


Geachte heer,

Ich bin nicht deutssprachich und schreiben auch nicht aber ich verstehe ein bitchen deuts, so entschuldigen mir.

Bitte kunnen sie mir hilfen?
Ich suche information von De Rooy Ludwig Henri Willem ° Geismar oder Gismar 24/12/1921 gestorben 1944. Ludwig oder Louis war in die Kriegsmarine Deutsland. zeine eltern waren De Rooy Ludwig ° 19/03/1890 Berchem Belgie) + 24/07/1971 Eschweiler ( Duitsland) geheiratet 01/05/1910 moglich Gismar met Dorothea Weihe ° 13/09/1899 Gismar oder Geismar + 0/2/10/1967 Eschweiler (D). Dorothea's eltern; Weihe Adolf und Schroder/Schrake ? Dorothea. Dorothea Weihe is nach Belgien gekommen 06/09/1928 und zuruck nach Deutsland mit der Krieg 2.


Ludwig De Rooy ° Berchem (B) war eine broeder von mein grossmuther De Rooy Philomena eltern von beiden sind De Rooy Louis ° Oorderen (B) und Dierckx Virginia ° Antwerpen (B)

Louis De Rooy und Dorothea Weihe haben 3 kinder,
De Rooy Rudolf  Joseph Frans august° Gottingen 29/12/1924 + Eschweiler
De Rooy Leonard Frans Maria ° Mechelen (B) 18/05/1931 x Hannelore Welz )sie sind gestorben Deutsland
De Rooy Louis Henri Willem ° Geismar 24/12/1921.

Die ganze familie ist todt und ich sollte gern information haben, weil ich meine stambaum machen von die famile De Rooy und Dierckx.

Mit vielen grüssen
mims


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Re: [HN] De Rooy

Date: 2008/01/04 18:10:33
From: genealogie <genealogie(a)klauskunze.com>

Geismar könnte das heutige Göttingen-Geismar sein. Auf dieses Geismar gibt die Mail einen direkten Hinweis. Der Herr mag beim Standesamt Göttingen nachfragen.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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Fax: 05571-6327
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To: "Hannover Mailingliste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:53 PM
Subject: [HN] De Rooy


Liebe Liste!

Die folgende mail erhielt ich aus mir nicht bekannten Gründen. Kann
jemand aus der Liste dem Herrn Neven helfen?

Gruß
Bernd



Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:

Von: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be>
Datum: 1. Januar 2008 15:19:36 MEZ
An: <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de>
Betreff: De Rooy
Antwort an: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be>


Geachte heer,

Ich bin nicht deutssprachich  und schreiben auch nicht aber  ich
verstehe ein bitchen deuts, so entschuldigen mir.

Bitte kunnen sie mir hilfen?
Ich suche information von De Rooy Ludwig Henri Willem ° Geismar
oder Gismar 24/12/1921 gestorben 1944. Ludwig oder Louis war in die
Kriegsmarine Deutsland. zeine eltern waren De Rooy Ludwig °
19/03/1890 Berchem Belgie) + 24/07/1971 Eschweiler ( Duitsland)
geheiratet 01/05/1910 moglich Gismar met Dorothea Weihe °
13/09/1899 Gismar oder Geismar + 0/2/10/1967 Eschweiler (D).
Dorothea's eltern; Weihe Adolf und Schroder/Schrake ? Dorothea.
Dorothea Weihe is nach Belgien gekommen 06/09/1928 und zuruck nach
Deutsland mit der Krieg 2.


Ludwig De Rooy ° Berchem (B) war eine broeder von mein grossmuther
De Rooy Philomena eltern von beiden sind De Rooy  Louis ° Oorderen
(B) und Dierckx Virginia ° Antwerpen (B)

Louis De Rooy und Dorothea Weihe haben 3 kinder,
De Rooy Rudolf  Joseph Frans august° Gottingen 29/12/1924 + Eschweiler
De Rooy Leonard Frans Maria  ° Mechelen (B) 18/05/1931 x Hannelore
Welz )sie sind gestorben Deutsland
De Rooy Louis Henri Willem ° Geismar 24/12/1921.

Die ganze familie ist todt und ich sollte gern information haben,
weil ich meine stambaum machen von die famile De Rooy und Dierckx.

Mit vielen grüssen
mims


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Re: [HN] De Rooy

Date: 2008/01/04 19:19:59
From: maryjane O'C-L <maryjane_ocl(a)hotmail.com>

If it helps in any way I have de Rooys in Sri Lanka (ex Ceylon) The first person in this family who was Gysbert de Rooy who came from Welle in the province of Lemberg in Holland to India in 1773 on the ship "Landskroon" and then he went on to Jaffna Sri Lanka (Ceylon) where he married  an Isabella Meyer.  They had 7 children namely, John William b 1783, Lourens 1788, Margarita 1795, Caroline Elisabeth b 1799, Anne Catherine b 1802, Lewis (Louis ?)b 1804 and  Johannes b 1807.
MaryJane ...........Suffolk UK.> From: BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:53:19 +0100> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] De Rooy> > Liebe Liste!> > Die folgende mail erhielt ich aus mir nicht bekannten Gründen. Kann > jemand aus der Liste dem Herrn Neven helfen?> > Gruß> Bernd> > > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:> > > Von: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be>> > Datum: 1. Januar 2008 15:19:36 MEZ> > An: <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de>> > Betreff: De Rooy> > Antwort an: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be>> >> >> > Geachte heer,> >> > Ich bin nicht deutssprachich und schreiben auch nicht aber ich > > verstehe ein bitchen deuts, so entschuldigen mir.> >> > Bitte kunnen sie mir hilfen?> > Ich suche information von De Rooy Ludwig Henri Willem ° Geismar > > oder Gismar 24/12/1921 gestorben 1944. Ludwig oder Louis war in die > > Kriegsmarine Deutsland. zeine eltern waren De Rooy Ludwig ° > > 19/03/1890 Berchem Belgie) + 24/07/1971 Eschweiler ( Duitsland) > > geheiratet 01/05/1910 moglich Gismar met Dorothea Weihe ° > > 13/09/1899 Gismar oder Geismar + 0/2/10/1967 Eschweiler (D). > > Dorothea's eltern; Weihe Adolf und Schroder/Schrake ? Dorothea.> > Dorothea Weihe is nach Belgien gekommen 06/09/1928 und zuruck nach > > Deutsland mit der Krieg 2.> >> >> > Ludwig De Rooy ° Berchem (B) war eine broeder von mein grossmuther > > De Rooy Philomena eltern von beiden sind De Rooy Louis ° Oorderen > > (B) und Dierckx Virginia ° Antwerpen (B)> >> > Louis De Rooy und Dorothea Weihe haben 3 kinder,> > De Rooy Rudolf Joseph Frans august° Gottingen 29/12/1924 + Eschweiler> > De Rooy Leonard Frans Maria ° Mechelen (B) 18/05/1931 x Hannelore > > Welz )sie sind gestorben Deutsland> > De Rooy Louis Henri Willem ° Geismar 24/12/1921.> >> > Die ganze familie ist todt und ich sollte gern information haben, > > weil ich meine stambaum machen von die famile De Rooy und Dierckx.> >> > Mit vielen grüssen> > mims> >> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: > > 31/12/2007 15:32> >> > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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[HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover

Date: 2008/01/04 20:13:52
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>

If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
  Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name 
   
  Thank you 
  Deborah Ramsey

       
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Re: [HN] to Debbie

Date: 2008/01/04 20:23:54
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>

Dear Mona,
   
  You are a true angle in the dark. My great grand fathers name was Frank Brunner he was born September 5, 1871 on the papers from the state of Ohio Untied states Department of labor naturalization services he say's he was born in Bohemia Austria.He arrived in new york new york May 22, 1902 and sailed on the ship Barbarossa he left Berman Germeny I know from our cencus that he was here in Cincinnati and married with childern in 1908 I know he married my Great Grandmother Anna It is either karsel or korsel from litchnia czechoslovakia. I still hve one living Aunt who can rember some. She said That Frank left to avoid the draft and cam to the U.S. She said anna left ended up in Boston workking for a rich irishman then came to Cincinnati, Ohio got married and started a family by the cencus of 1910 here.
   
  Any help you can give me is wonderful I am currantly taking German classes so I can read most of the messages sent. Thank you again
  Deborah Ramsey

Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info> wrote:
  > Thank you for responding to me about my grandfather. I am having
> such a hard time finding the town he is from on the immagration 
papers > it says bohemia austria but my aunt says morvia

That's probably Moravia, a region in Europe.

Here's a description of the ship, but you may already have found this:
http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipb.htm

Tell us his name - maybe we can find some other places to search.


> can you help me find this town I know he left hte port of Berman in 
1902 in the spring and arrived here on the barbarossa in new york in may 
of 1902 but I can't find him at ellis or anywhere else. I have tried to 
locate the Barbarossa's passinger list but the ship was taken opver and 
used during ww ii as a battle ship I haven't been able to find anyone 
with the records.
>
> I can track all of my relitives very easy here in the u. s. but 
once the boat docked here it was as they never existed. what do I do??
>
> Thanks for your help
> Debbie Ramsey
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Re: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover

Date: 2008/01/04 20:28:29
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>

Hi Deborah!
Try http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/
 
Type Greiwe into the search field and click "Suchen".
 
Good luck,
Andrea (Korbanka)> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800> From: ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover> > If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.> Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name > > Thank you > Deborah Ramsey> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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[HN] Information request

Date: 2008/01/05 01:54:43
From: WBL435 <WBL435(a)aol.com>

I just located my Great Grandmother, Katrina  Wendt.  The information said 
she was born in 1804 in Hannover,  Niedersachsen, Germany.  Would the Hannover 
be the same as the Kingdom of  Hannover?  Also is Niedersachsen the name of a 
town?  If so where is  it located in Germany?  Her husband was Heinrich 
Sigusmond Wendt.  He  never came to America.  Any help would be highly  appreciated.
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[HN] Pentz

Date: 2008/01/05 10:13:22
From: Manfred <Manfred.Puffahrt(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

um 1700 tauchen in Kaarßen zwei Pentz auf wo die Herkunft unbekannt ist.

Dorothea Elisabeth Pentz geb. ~ 1687 und

Andreas Ludwig Pentz heiratet nach 1717 eine Magd. Ursel Hellwig aus Kaarßen

Wer kann weiterhelfen?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Manfred Puffahrt

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Re: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover

Date: 2008/01/05 11:05:07
From: Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>

Here commming the people with name Greiwe
Greiwe, Stephan - Stolzestr. 40, Hannover
Telefon 49 511 2831400

Greetings
Peter

2008/1/4, D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>:
>
> If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of
> Greiwe.
>   Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name
>
>   Thank you
>   Deborah Ramsey
>
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[HN] Berufsbezeichnung: Vornehmer Kaufherr

Date: 2008/01/05 11:48:55
From: Küster Ulrich <Ulrich.Kuester(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,

in KB-Einträgen habe ich mehrfach bei Taufpaten die Berufsbezeichnung "Vornehmer Kaufherr" gelesen. Was verstand man um 1690 darunter?

Viele Grüße
Ulrich (Küster)

Re: [HN] Information request

Date: 2008/01/05 12:20:24
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hi Bill,

I also have a Katarina Wendt in my files, she is the daughter of Gebkke
Langen and Heinrich Wendt and was born 1799; if by any chance she had a
brother Heinrich Sigismund, I do not know. Her family was from Sudweyhe near
Bremen. In case you get more details and see a possible connection, let me
know.
Hannover could either be the city of Hannover or the area of the former
kingdom of Hannover, which in many parts is identical with what today is
called Niedersachsen. All the locations you mentioned are not very precise,
so finding the exact place will be e challenge.

Erika

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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:43 AM
Subject: [HN] Information request


I just located my Great Grandmother, Katrina  Wendt.  The information said
she was born in 1804 in Hannover,  Niedersachsen, Germany.  Would the
Hannover
be the same as the Kingdom of  Hannover?  Also is Niedersachsen the name of
a
town?  If so where is  it located in Germany?  Her husband was Heinrich
Sigusmond Wendt.  He  never came to America.  Any help would be highly
appreciated.
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Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover

Date: 2008/01/05 12:25:08
From: Anke E. Waldmann <anke(a)die-waldmanns.de>

Hi Deborah,

Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia -
especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve,
too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.

I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
county of Osnabrück.

Anke Waldmann

www.die-waldmanns.de
www.grambergen.de

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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
  Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name

  Thank you
  Deborah Ramsey




Re: [HN] Information request

Date: 2008/01/05 12:35:02
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>

Hi Bill

It's not so easy to give a helpful answer.
Hannover could be the city of Hannover but also the Kingdom of Hannover. I
have the same problem with an emigrant to England. The census tells his
place of birth is Hannover but nobody in Hannover City (Archives) have
information about him and so I think he came from the Kingdom of Hannover.
But which place?
Most emigrants from the Kingdom of Hannover told they would come from
Hannover. Nobody knows today from which Hannover.

Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) is a state (province) of Germany. It's located
in the north of Germany. The capital is Hannover. It was founded after WW2.

Unfortunately does I know nothing about your Wendt family. I hope the other
explanation was a small help.

Have a nice weekend.

Wolfgang Buchhorn
Braunschweig (Brunswick)   

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Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Januar 2008 01:43
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Information request

I just located my Great Grandmother, Katrina  Wendt.  The information said 
she was born in 1804 in Hannover,  Niedersachsen, Germany.  Would the
Hannover 
be the same as the Kingdom of  Hannover?  Also is Niedersachsen the name of
a 
town?  If so where is  it located in Germany?  Her husband was Heinrich 
Sigusmond Wendt.  He  never came to America.  Any help would be highly
appreciated.
Bill  Leichter


[HN] Alte Lexika Online

Date: 2008/01/05 20:38:12
From: Ralf G. Jordan <ahnen(a)rgjordan.de>

Hallo,

Ich habe im Laufe der Zeit verschiedene alte Lexika online gefunden. Da wir
alle immer mal wieder entsprechende Quellen benötigen hier mal einige Links
(Aufgrund der Ordnung nach Lexika kann es zu Mehrfachnennungen kommen):

- Meyers Konversationslexikon 1882-1892 4. Auflage
http://www.retrobibliothek.de/retrobib/stoebern.html
http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon

- Biografisches Künstlerlexikon
http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon

- Merck's Warenlexikon, 1884, 3. Auflage [Beschreibung der im Handel
vorkommenden Natur- und Kunsterzeugnisse unter besonderer Berücksichtigung
der chemisch-technischen und anderer Fabrikate, der Droguen- und Farbewaren,
der Kolonialwaren, der Landesprodukte, der Material- und Mineralwaren.]
http://www.retrobibliothek.de/retrobib/stoebern.html
http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon

- Handbuch der Drogistenpraxis 1893
http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon

- Brockhaus Konversationslexikon, (16 Bd. + 1 Supplement) 1884-1896 14.
Auflage
http://www.retrobibliothek.de/retrobib/stoebern.html
http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon


- Deutsches Rechtswörterbuch
http://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw/
oder
http://129.206.119.53/~cd2/drw/

- Deutsches Wörterbuch von Jacob Grimm und Wilhelm Grimm. 16 Bde. [in 32
Teilbänden]. Leipzig: S. Hirzel 1854-1960
http://germazope.uni-trier.de/Projects/DWB

- Übersichtsseite zu
-- Deutsches WB (Grimm; siehe auch oben)
-- Mittelhochdeutsches WB (Nachlass Benecke)
-- Mittelhochdeutsches HandWB von Lexer
-- Mittelhochdeutscher Wortschatz
-- Pfälzisches WB (Wörterbuch)
-- Rheinisches WB
-- WB Elsässische Mundarten
-- WB Deutsch-Lothringische Mundarten
-- Goethe WB
http://www.woerterbuchnetz.de/

- Biographisch-bibliographisches Kirchenlexikon
http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/

Daneben gibt es noch moderne Ansätze (zwar etwas ausserhalb der
Listengebiete...)
- Sächsische Biografie
http://isgv.serveftp.org/saebi/projekt.php

Kein Anspruch auf Vollständigkeit 

Viel Spass beim Stöbern, Finden, Schmunzeln...

Ralf (Jordan)
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[HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen

Date: 2008/01/05 21:37:13
From: Herbert.Kunkel <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>

Hallo Mitstreiter.

Ich habe schon eine Frage im neuen Jahr. Hier ist sie:

Heinrich Ernst BUSCHE wurde noch 1872 als Eleve in
Levesen, KS Seggebruch. Schaumburg. Hannover  genannt.

Dort wurde auch am 8.2.1848 sein Sohn Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm getauft.

Wo er aber geboren wurde und wann, wo und wann er starb ist nicht ersichtlich. Es geht aus den mir vorliegenden Unterlagen des Staatsarchivs Bueckeburg nicht hervor.
Genausowenig wie das Datum seiner Ehe mit
Anna Engel Marie Eleonore SCHAEKEL, geb. in Hespe.

Wer forscht in Schaumburg, Schaumburg-Lippe, hat BUSCHE oder SCHAEKEL in
seinen Namenslisten und ist zum Austausch entsprechender bereit?

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Re: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen

Date: 2008/01/05 22:18:28
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Hallo Herbert,

hast Du schon mal bei den Schaumburger Auswanderern geguckt?
http://www.histag-schaumburg.de/page/page_ID/76?PHPSESSID=37395c1cc4750855412bce6ebd7e28f4
(Achtung! Beim Zeilenumbruch im Link, diesen wieder zusammenfügen!)

Dort findet man einige Busches aus Liekwegen und Helpsen. Vielleicht hilft es Dir ja!

Gruß,

Björn




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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen


Hallo Mitstreiter.

Ich habe schon eine Frage im neuen Jahr. Hier ist sie:

Heinrich Ernst BUSCHE wurde noch 1872 als Eleve in
Levesen, KS Seggebruch. Schaumburg. Hannover  genannt.

Dort wurde auch am 8.2.1848 sein Sohn Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm getauft.

Wo er aber geboren wurde und wann, wo und wann er starb ist nicht
ersichtlich. Es
geht aus den mir vorliegenden Unterlagen des Staatsarchivs Bueckeburg nicht
hervor.
Genausowenig wie das Datum seiner Ehe mit
Anna Engel Marie Eleonore SCHAEKEL, geb. in Hespe.

Wer forscht in Schaumburg, Schaumburg-Lippe, hat BUSCHE oder SCHAEKEL in
seinen Namenslisten und ist zum Austausch entsprechender bereit?

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[HN] Garbe from Salzemmendorf

Date: 2008/01/06 02:57:16
From: Dawn Ullmann <dullmannfamily(a)yahoo.com>

I am searching for any info for my g-g-grandfather Anton Garbe. His tombstone in US states he was from Salzemmendorf in Hanover and was born in 1829. I believe he also had a brother, Conrad. They came to the US around 1850. Where is Salzemmendorf in Hanover? Also, if anyone else is searching or has info, I would love to exchange info.
  Thanks-
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[HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/06 04:58:59
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>


Good Evening to All,

I have been trying to put together my family history. I am finding out it is very hard from the US. My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born October 1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen on the ship named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were destroyed during the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4, 1908. His ship log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census reports in Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate his son was the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg?? I do know Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named Gottlieb. Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to America May 22, 1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a blessing at this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.

sandy sievers

Re: [HN] Information request

Date: 2008/01/06 07:43:00
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

Hi Bill,

Hanover at 1804 will be the kingdom of Hannover.
Niedersachsen is not a town, it´´s a state like your Iowa, Ohio etc.
Wendt is a very common name in Germany. Do you know from waht
port she started to the US?

Try GEOGEN and you may see whre most of the Wendts today live.

Bernd




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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:43 AM
Subject: [HN] Information request


I just located my Great Grandmother, Katrina  Wendt.  The information said
she was born in 1804 in Hannover, Niedersachsen, Germany. Would the Hannover be the same as the Kingdom of Hannover? Also is Niedersachsen the name of a
town?  If so where is  it located in Germany?  Her husband was Heinrich
Sigusmond Wendt. He never came to America. Any help would be highly appreciated.
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[HN] Beitrag auf Phoenix über die WASt

Date: 2008/01/06 08:28:39
From: Stefan Kramer <mail(a)kramer-stefan.de>

Hallo,

am 03.01.08 23:00 lief auf Phoenix eine Doku über die WASt, ihre Mitarbeiter und deren Arbeit. Ich fand den Beitrag recht interessant.
Leider konnte ich nichts über eine Wiederholung finden.

Den Beitrag kann man sich über das Bittorrent-Netzwerk herunter laden:
http://www.torrent.to/torrent/upload/doku/358/222358/2277-www.torrent.to...DeutscheDienststelle.avi.torrent

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Re: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen

Date: 2008/01/06 09:21:14
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Hallo Herbert,

ich bin's noch mal. Ich vergaß, ganz zu erwähnen, dass auch ich SCHÄKEL bzw. SCHEKEL in meiner Ahneliste habe. Diese kamen aus Volksdorf, allerdings vor 1660. Vielleicht treffen sich unsere Familien ja irgendwann.

Beste Grüße,

Björn

Meine Daten:
www.bjoern-sassenberg.de/page7.html


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To: "hessen" <hessen-L(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen


Hallo Mitstreiter.

Ich habe schon eine Frage im neuen Jahr. Hier ist sie:

Heinrich Ernst BUSCHE wurde noch 1872 als Eleve in
Levesen, KS Seggebruch. Schaumburg. Hannover  genannt.

Dort wurde auch am 8.2.1848 sein Sohn Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm getauft.

Wo er aber geboren wurde und wann, wo und wann er starb ist nicht
ersichtlich. Es
geht aus den mir vorliegenden Unterlagen des Staatsarchivs Bueckeburg nicht
hervor.
Genausowenig wie das Datum seiner Ehe mit
Anna Engel Marie Eleonore SCHAEKEL, geb. in Hespe.

Wer forscht in Schaumburg, Schaumburg-Lippe, hat BUSCHE oder SCHAEKEL in
seinen Namenslisten und ist zum Austausch entsprechender bereit?

Aus Barcelona mit den besten Wuenschen fuer ein friedvolles 2008

Herbert (Kunkel)

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Re: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen

Date: 2008/01/06 09:58:55
From: Herbert.Kunkel <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>

Hallo Bjoern.

Wenn mich meine Erinnerung nicht taeuscht, dann ist Hespe das Nachbardorf
von Volksdorf und mein Auszug aus den Staatsarchiv nennt die SCHAEKEL nur
als "aus Hespe". Beide Doerfer waren frueher wahrscheinlich der Kirche von Meerbeck
zugeordnet, heute wohl Samtgemeinde Niedernwoehren.
Meine Schaekel und die von Dir koennten also durchaus einer Sippe sein. Vielleicht sind sie es?

Herbert

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Sent: Sonntag, 6. Januar 2008 09:21
Subject: Re: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen


Hallo Herbert,

ich bin's noch mal. Ich vergaß, ganz zu erwähnen, dass auch ich SCHÄKEL bzw.
SCHEKEL in meiner
Ahneliste habe. Diese kamen aus Volksdorf, allerdings vor 1660. Vielleicht
treffen sich unsere
Familien ja irgendwann.

Beste Grüße,

Björn

Meine Daten:
www.bjoern-sassenberg.de/page7.html


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To: "hessen" <hessen-L(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen


Hallo Mitstreiter.

Ich habe schon eine Frage im neuen Jahr. Hier ist sie:

Heinrich Ernst BUSCHE wurde noch 1872 als Eleve in
Levesen, KS Seggebruch. Schaumburg. Hannover  genannt.

Dort wurde auch am 8.2.1848 sein Sohn Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm getauft.

Wo er aber geboren wurde und wann, wo und wann er starb ist nicht
ersichtlich. Es
geht aus den mir vorliegenden Unterlagen des Staatsarchivs Bueckeburg nicht
hervor.
Genausowenig wie das Datum seiner Ehe mit
Anna Engel Marie Eleonore SCHAEKEL, geb. in Hespe.

Wer forscht in Schaumburg, Schaumburg-Lippe, hat BUSCHE oder SCHAEKEL in
seinen Namenslisten und ist zum Austausch entsprechender bereit?

Aus Barcelona mit den besten Wuenschen fuer ein friedvolles 2008

Herbert (Kunkel)

Herbert (at) theKunkels.com

Interessiert an KUNKEL, BUSCHE, FISCHER, KUHSE, ZEITZ, HAKER, EVERT, WOLF.
ELZENER



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Re: [HN] Garbe from Salzemmendorf

Date: 2008/01/06 11:44:37
From: Susanne Romeike <susanneromeike(a)aol.com>

Dear Dawn,
Anton Garbe born in Salzhemmendorf was also MY ggggrandfather. Please contact me.
thanks
Susanne
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Subject: [HN] Garbe from Salzemmendorf


I am searching for any info for my g-g-grandfather Anton Garbe. His tombstone in US states he was from Salzemmendorf in Hanover and was born in 1829. I believe he also had a brother, Conrad. They came to the US around 1850. Where is Salzemmendorf in Hanover? Also, if anyone else is searching or has info, I would love to exchange info.
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Re: [HN] Beitrag auf Phoenix über die WASt

Date: 2008/01/06 13:14:20
From: Genealogie Fritsche <genealogie(a)ib-fritsche.de>

Hallo Stefan,

<< Ich fand den Beitrag recht interessant >>

klar, das ist wie immer Geschmacks- und Ansichtssache, worüber sich natürlich nicht streiten läßt ...

Ich hatte den Film von Bernhard Sallmann (er heißt "Deutsche Diernststelle") bereits vor Jahren mal gesehen, er stammt ja bereits
aus 1999. Es ist kein eigentlicher Dokumentarfilm über die Arbeit der WASt, eher einer, der das Seelenleben einzelner Mitarbeiter
der WASt dokumentiert. Sie schildern an wenigen Fällen, was sie bei ihrer Arbeit fanden und was sie dabei empfinden. Der Film ist
durchweg mit recht langatmigen Szenen, ohne jeglichen Dialog, angelegt, ist sicher eher künstlerisch als sachlich-informativ
anspruchsvoll. Gut möglich, daß man aus einer solchen Behörde auch nicht anders berichten kann ...

Viele Grüße,

Jürgen


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Hallo,

am 03.01.08 23:00 lief auf Phoenix eine Doku über die WASt, ihre 
Mitarbeiter und deren Arbeit. Ich fand den Beitrag recht interessant.
Leider konnte ich nichts über eine Wiederholung finden.

Den Beitrag kann man sich über das Bittorrent-Netzwerk herunter laden:
http://www.torrent.to/torrent/upload/doku/358/222358/2277-www.torrent.to...DeutscheDienststelle.avi.torrent

Gruß,
Stefan


Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/06 14:05:39
From: Hanno V. J. Kolbe <kolbe(a)hicleones.com>

Sandy Cooper wrote:
My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers was born October 1832 in Germany. His ship log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate his son was the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??

Hamburg/Hannover ? No.
You have the original of the death certificate ?
Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error.
What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ...

Greetings
Hanno (V.J.Kolbe)




Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 00:01:02
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

First, I would like to thank you for responding. I am truly grateful. Yes, I do have a copy of Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate. It says his occupation was a Black Smith. When he died he was 75 yrs, 4months, and 9 days old. That is how I confirmed his date of birth as Oct.25, 1832. Also, I was incorrect when I stated that Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate said he was from Hamburg. It does not list a place of birth other than Germany. I saw Hamburg on his son's death certificate. His son's list his place of birth and his parents. In the spot for father it says,"Henry G. Sievers born in Hamburg,Germany". The informant was a much younger sibling, she is still living today, but don't remember too much.

On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from Hannover,and a peasant. What does that mean? Why in 1856 would he have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863. Why the change? His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found. Although, I can find anything to confirm it.

Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in germany did I come from.
Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Hanno V. J. Kolbe wrote:

Sandy Cooper wrote:
My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb
Sievers was born October
1832 in Germany. His ship
log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate his son was
the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??


Hamburg/Hannover ? No.
You have the original of the death certificate ?
Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error.
What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ...

Greetings
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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 03:06:32
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

   HI Sandy:

   

   Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?

   

   Here is what I find.  It includes aparently a whole family of
   Seivers.

   

   [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex [6]Arrived
   [7]Origin [8]Ship
   CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
   HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
   TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
   GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY

   

   GEFINA     [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7  F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
   MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER         10 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA


   

   

   

   GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA

   

   This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis Island.

   

   [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org

   

   You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of interest
   by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and 1856 for
   the other.  Then select the ships Stella for one and Borussia for the
   other.  Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card * 

   

   Gale

   

   

   Gale


   On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:

     Good Evening to All,
     I have been trying to put together my family history. I am finding
     out 
     it is very hard from the US.  My gg grandfather was Heinrich
     Gottlieb 
     Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born October
     
     1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New 
     Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen on the
     ship 
     named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were destroyed during
     
     the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4, 1908. His
     ship 
     log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census reports in
     
     Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate his son
     was 
     the information giver, and the son said his father was from
     Hamburg?? 
     I do know   Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named
     Gottlieb. 
     Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to America May
     22, 
     1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a blessing at
     
     this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
     sandy sievers
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References

   1. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=first&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   2. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=last&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   3. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occupation&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   4. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   5. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   6. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arrived&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   7. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=origin&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   8. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ship&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   9. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222
  10. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221
  11. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220
  12. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219
  13. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224
  14. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223
  15. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460
  16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/

[HN] Handbuch des Grundbesitzes, Deutsches Reich, Hannover, circa 1880

Date: 2008/01/07 03:17:19
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

Hat jemand schon mal dieses Buch gesehen oder weiß wo es einzusehen ist?

Fred


-- 
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tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.
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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 03:54:00
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Gale,

Thanks for your help. Yes, I did look at the whole manifest, but it is the weirdest thing. If you look at the others with my gg grandfather they NEVER show up again.....anywhere. I know he landed in 1856 in New Orleans, La. I also know he spent his life in Ruma, Randolph County, Il. I have a census for 1870,1880, and 1900. Never have i found info on the others that show on the manifest. It's like they disappeared?? Plus, look at the ages, he was 21yrs. but it says there was a daughter Catherina 17yrs and Tekla 24 yrs. Then, a wife that was 49yrs.?? Someone once told me that maybe he was "just bringing them over". because they were all women and usually women would not travel by themselves. What do you think? I have tried to search for each of them on Ancestry and have had no luck. But I did find my gg grandfather. Any suggestions??

I also found my gg Uncle Gottlieb Sievers.....but once again I still can not find where they come from in Germany. My husband says I am "true German" because I have been at this on my own for almost 10 years......and wont quit. I want to visit Germany one day soon, to see where my famiy came from.

Blessings & Joy,

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:06 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:


  HI Sandy:

  Â

  Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?

  Â

  Here is what I find.  It includes aparently a whole family of
  Seivers.

  Â

  [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex [6]Arrived
  [7]Origin [8]Ship
  CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
  HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
  TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
  GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY

  Â

GEFINA [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 10 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA


  Â

  Â

  Â

  GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA

  Â

  This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis Island.

  Â

  [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org

  Â

You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of interest
  by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and 1856 for
the other. Then select the ships Stella for one and Borussia for the
  other.  Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card * Â

  Â

  Gale

  Â

  Â

  Gale


  On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:

    Good Evening to All,
    I have been trying to put together my family history. I am finding
    out Â
    it is very hard from the US. Â My gg grandfather was Heinrich
    Gottlieb Â
Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born October
    Â
    1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New Â
    Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen on the
    ship Â
named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were destroyed during
    Â
    the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4, 1908. His
    ship Â
    log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census reports in
    Â
    Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate his son
    was Â
    the information giver, and the son said his father was from
    Hamburg?? Â
    I do know   Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named
    Gottlieb. Â
    Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to America May
    22, Â
1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a blessing at
    Â
    this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
    sandy sievers
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References

1. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=first&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 2. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=last&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 3. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occupation&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 4. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 5. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 6. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arrived&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 7. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=origin&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 8. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ship&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
  9. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222
 10. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221
 11. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220
 12. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219
 13. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224
 14. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223
 15. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460
 16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/
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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 04:17:47
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

   Hi Sandy:

   

   The titles wife, daughter, etc does not necessarily mean that the
   listed relationship is to your relative.  The wife could be his aunt
   the daughters could be the aunt's daughters or maybe his sisters.

   

   However, I am betting that the "wife"  was the mother of all the
   others and Heinrich was her oldest son and Tekla was her oldest
   daughter.  As the oldest adult son, Heinrich was responsible for all
   of them.

   

   If you go to Germany, where would you go?  You don't know where they
   came from.

   

   However, with six people, there just has to be a paper trail
   somewhere.

   

   Gale


   On Jan 6, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:

     Hi Gale,
     Thanks for your help. Yes, I did look at the whole manifest, but it
     is 
     the weirdest thing. If you look at the others with my gg
     grandfather 
     they NEVER show up again.....anywhere. I know he landed in 1856 in
     New 
     Orleans, La. I also know he spent his life in Ruma, Randolph
     County, 
     Il. I have a census for 1870,1880, and 1900. Never have i found
     info 
     on the others that show on the manifest. It's like they
     disappeared?? 
     Plus, look at the ages, he was 21yrs. but it says there was a
     daughter 
     Catherina 17yrs and Tekla 24 yrs. Then, a wife that was 49yrs.?? 
     Someone once told me that maybe he was "just bringing them over".
     
     because they were all women and usually  women would not travel by
     
     themselves. What do you think? I have tried to search for each of
     them 
     on Ancestry and have had no luck. But I did find my gg grandfather.
     
     Any suggestions??
     I also found my gg Uncle Gottlieb Sievers.....but once again I
     still 
     can not find where they come from in Germany. My husband says I am
     
     "true German" because I have been at this on my own for almost 10
     
     years......and wont quit. I want to visit Germany one day soon, to
     see 
     where my famiy came from.
     Blessings & Joy,
     sandy sievers cooper
     On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:06 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
     >
     >   HI Sandy:
     >
     >   
     >
     >   Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?
     >
     >   
     >
     >   Here is what I find.  It includes aparently a whole family
     of
     >   Seivers.
     >
     >   
     >
     >   [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex
     [6]Arrived
     >   [7]Origin [8]Ship
     >   CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
     >   HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
     >   TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
     >   GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY
     >
     >   
     >
     >   GEFINA     [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7  F 28 Oct 1856
     GERMANY 
     > STELLA
     >   MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER         10 F 28 Oct 1856
     GERMANY 
     > STELLA
     >
     >
     >   
     >
     >   
     >
     >   
     >
     >   GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA
     >
     >   
     >
     >   This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis
     Island.
     >
     >   
     >
     >   [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org
     >
     >   
     >
     >   You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of
     
     > interest
     >   by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and
     1856 for
     >   the other.  Then select the ships Stella for one and
     Borussia for 
     > the
     >   other.  Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card * 
     >
     >   
     >
     >   Gale
     >
     >   
     >
     >   
     >
     >   Gale
     >
     >
     >   On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:
     >
     >     Good Evening to All,
     >     I have been trying to put together my family history. I am
     finding
     >     out 
     >     it is very hard from the US.  My gg grandfather was
     Heinrich
     >     Gottlieb 
     >     Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born
     
     > October
     >     
     >     1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New 
     >     Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen
     on the
     >     ship 
     >     named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were
     destroyed 
     > during
     >     
     >     the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4,
     1908. His
     >     ship 
     >     log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census
     reports in
     >     
     >     Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate
     his son
     >     was 
     >     the information giver, and the son said his father was from
     >     Hamburg?? 
     >     I do know   Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named
     >     Gottlieb. 
     >     Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to
     America May
     >     22, 
     >     1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a
     blessing 
     > at
     >     
     >     this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
     >     sandy sievers
     >     ______________________________________________
     >     Hannover-L mailing list
     >     Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
     >     http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
     >
     > References
     >
     >   1.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=fir
     st&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
     > %&co_code
     >
     =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >   2.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=las
     t&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
     > %&co_code
     >
     =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >   3.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occ
     upation&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
     > %&co_code
     >
     =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >   4.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age
     &p_first_name=&p_last_name=
     > %&co_code
     >
     =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >   5.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex
     &p_first_name=&p_last_name=
     > %&co_code
     >
     =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >   6.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arr
     ived&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
     > %&co_code
     >
     =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >   7.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ori
     gin&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
     > %&co_code
     >
     =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >   8.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=shi
     p&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
     > %&co_code
     >
     =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >   9.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222
     >  10.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221
     >  11.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220
     >  12.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219
     >  13.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224
     >  14.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223
     >  15.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460
     >  16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/
     > ______________________________________________
     >
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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 04:34:44
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

   HI Sandy:

   

   I just noticed that the 1856 landing of Stella was in New York.  You
   have New Orleans.  Something is wrong here!  They didn't have
   teleportation in those days and Scotty wasn't around.

   

   Also look for names on the manifest that are similiar to those where
   your ancestors settled.  You may be able to trace them back.   Five
   different families from my GF's home town in Germany wound up in the
   same county in Iowa.

   

   Gale

   

   For brevity the thread was deleated her, look at my pryor posting this
   date.

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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 04:54:55
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Oh.....now that would make sense. I do know that Gottlieb Sievers was to go back to Germany to visit" his parents" in April of 1880 or 1881. It was in the Jefferson County Democrat of House Springs,MO. I do have a copy of this. Since I had tried everything I could think of with my gg grandfather Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers, I started searching his brother. I agree, there should be a paper trail but I have not found any. I checked with the church Heinrich went to and there is no mention of the others. Also, census reports for New Orleans and Illinois and MO. Gottlieb is in their records as a god father to one of Heinrich's children. Any thoughts?? Or ideas????

As far as going to Germany......I would have to have more of an exact location to search/visit. I made contact with a lady who works for the church in Hanover, Germany. She said most all records were there. At the time, we just could not afford the amount it would cost for her to search for me. I figured I would try to get as much info in the US before going there.

On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:17 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:


  Hi Sandy:

  Â

  The titles wife, daughter, etc does not necessarily mean that the
listed relationship is to your relative. The wife could be his aunt
  the daughters could be the aunt's daughters or maybe his sisters.

  Â

  However, I am betting that the "wife"Â  was the mother of all the
  others and Heinrich was her oldest son and Tekla was her oldest
daughter. As the oldest adult son, Heinrich was responsible for all
  of them.

  Â

If you go to Germany, where would you go? You don't know where they
  came from.

  Â

  However, with six people, there just has to be a paper trail
  somewhere.

  Â

  Gale


  On Jan 6, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:

    Hi Gale,
Thanks for your help. Yes, I did look at the whole manifest, but it
    is Â
    the weirdest thing. If you look at the others with my gg
    grandfather Â
    they NEVER show up again.....anywhere. I know he landed in 1856 in
    New Â
    Orleans, La. I also know he spent his life in Ruma, Randolph
    County, Â
    Il. I have a census for 1870,1880, and 1900. Never have i found
    info Â
    on the others that show on the manifest. It's like they
    disappeared?? Â
    Plus, look at the ages, he was 21yrs. but it says there was a
    daughter Â
    Catherina 17yrs and Tekla 24 yrs. Then, a wife that was 49yrs.?? Â
    Someone once told me that maybe he was "just bringing them over".
    Â
because they were all women and usually  women would not travel by
    Â
    themselves. What do you think? I have tried to search for each of
    them Â
on Ancestry and have had no luck. But I did find my gg grandfather.
    Â
    Any suggestions??
    I also found my gg Uncle Gottlieb Sievers.....but once again I
    still Â
    can not find where they come from in Germany. My husband says I am
    Â
    "true German" because I have been at this on my own for almost 10
    Â
    years......and wont quit. I want to visit Germany one day soon, to
    see Â
    where my famiy came from.
    Blessings & Joy,
    sandy sievers cooper
    On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:06 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:

  HI Sandy:

  Ã

  Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?

  Ã

  Here is what I find.à  It includes aparently a whole family
    of
  Seivers.

  Ã

  [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex
    [6]Arrived
  [7]Origin [8]Ship
  CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
  HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
  TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
  GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY

  Ã

  GEFINA     [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7  F 28 Oct 1856
    GERMANY Â
STELLA
  MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER         10 F 28 Oct 1856
    GERMANY Â
STELLA


  Ã

  Ã

  Ã

  GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA

  Ã

  This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis
    Island.

  Ã

  [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org

  Ã

  You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of
    Â
interest
  by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and
    1856 for
  the other.à  Then select the ships Stella for one and
    Borussia for Â
the
  other.à  Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card *à Ã

  Ã

  Gale

  Ã

  Ã

  Gale


  On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:

    Good Evening to All,
    I have been trying to put together my family history. I am
    finding
    out Ã
    it is very hard from the US. à My gg grandfather was
    Heinrich
    Gottlieb Ã
    Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born
    Â
October
    Ã
    1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New Ã
    Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen
    on the
    ship Ã
    named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were
    destroyed Â
during
    Ã
    the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4,
    1908. His
    ship Ã
    log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census
    reports in
    Ã
    Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate
    his son
    was Ã
    the information giver, and the son said his father was from
    Hamburg?? Ã
    I do know à  Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named
    Gottlieb. Ã
    Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to
    America May
    22, Ã
    1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a
    blessing Â
at
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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 05:30:26
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Wow! Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says: SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October 1856. Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New Orleans. I actually flew to Ruma, Il. and spoke with their historical dept. and some folks that had lived there all their lives. They did not seem to know any last on the list. It is a very small town. So, I asked if I could get a phonebook....not a name the same??? If you notice on the shiplog he had his dest. as Indiana, but ended up in southern Il. So, I started checking IN> no Luck. That is why I am reaching out to this site. In hopes that someone, somewhere might have thought of another way I havent in the past years.
Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:27 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:


  HI Sandy:

  Â

I just noticed that the 1856 landing of Stella was in New York. You
  have New Orleans.  Something is wrong here!  They didn't have
  teleportation in those days and Scotty wasn't around.

  Â

  Also look for names on the manifest that are similiar to those where
your ancestors settled. You may be able to trace them back.  Five
  different families from my GF's home town in Germany wound up in the
  same county in Iowa.

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  Gale

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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 06:55:46
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

If you try GEOGEN nd type SIEVERS you wil find that the most Sievers are from the Landkreis (County) Eckerförde.
Please try and searcht there

Bernd

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search


First, I would like to thank you for responding. I am truly grateful.
Yes, I do have a copy of Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate.
It says his occupation was a Black Smith. When he died he was 75 yrs,
4months, and 9 days old. That is how I confirmed his date of birth as
Oct.25, 1832. Also, I was incorrect when I stated that Heinrich
Gottlieb Sievers death certificate said he was from Hamburg. It does
not list a place of birth other than Germany. I saw Hamburg on his
son's death certificate. His son's list his place of birth and his
parents. In the spot for father it says,"Henry G. Sievers born in
Hamburg,Germany". The informant was a much younger sibling, she is
still living today, but don't remember too much.

On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from
Hannover,and  a peasant. What does that mean?  Why in 1856 would he
have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863.
Why the change?  His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to
visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found.
Although, I can find anything to confirm it.

Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in
germany did I come from.
Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Hanno V. J. Kolbe wrote:

Sandy Cooper wrote:
My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb
Sievers was born October
1832 in Germany. His ship
log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate
his son was
the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??


Hamburg/Hannover ? No.
You have the original of the death certificate ?
Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error.
What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ...

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[HN] Suche Marie Gassdorf

Date: 2008/01/07 14:44:30
From: Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>

Die o.G. Schwester der Baumeisters Wilhelm Gassdorf aus H-Linden soll um
1880-1888 in Hannover geboren sein
Eine Anfrage bei der Behörde der Stadt Hannover verlief ergebnislos. Sollte
jemand mir zu dieser Ahnenforschung An-
gaben machen können, wäre ich sehr dankbar.

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Re: [HN] Suche Marie Gassdorf

Date: 2008/01/07 15:08:39
From: Michael Spanuth <michael.spanuth(a)t-online.de>

Halle Peter,
Ist dir bekannt, dass diverse GASSDORF - GAßDORF in Stadt HAN im Telefonbuch
gemeldet sind?
Gruß Michael (Spanuth)
 

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Betreff: [HN] Suche Marie Gassdorf

Die o.G. Schwester der Baumeisters Wilhelm Gassdorf aus H-Linden soll um
1880-1888 in Hannover geboren sein
Eine Anfrage bei der Behörde der Stadt Hannover verlief ergebnislos. Sollte
jemand mir zu dieser Ahnenforschung An-
gaben machen können, wäre ich sehr dankbar.

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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 15:16:59
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Wow!  Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to   
American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says:   
SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October  1856.  
Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New  Orleans.



Hi Sandy
 
I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that  
you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census.
 
I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the  
shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old,  
ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the  
arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832.
 
And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as  
Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok.
 
And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry  
Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next 
page  they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would 
be  still ok.
 
 
But now the break in that story
 
In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in  Ruma, 
Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the  
same that lived before in St. Louis????
 
IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named  Henry 
but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry  Sievers 
was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the  1880 
census he should be now about 12 years old?????
 
Hope you have still some infos about that 
 
Armin



   

Re: [HN] Suche Marie Gassdorf

Date: 2008/01/07 15:34:23
From: Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>

Hallo Michael, ja es ist mir bekannt, einer dieser Gaßdorfs ist an der
Ahnenforschung interessiert, ein Cousin
mütterlicherseits von mir. Die Familie ist aber zerstritten und von dem
anderen Teil des Clans kann ich keine Hilfe erwarten.

MfG
Peter (Meister)

Am 07.01.08 schrieb Michael Spanuth <michael.spanuth(a)t-online.de>:
>
> Halle Peter,
> Ist dir bekannt, dass diverse GASSDORF - GAßDORF in Stadt HAN im
> Telefonbuch
> gemeldet sind?
> Gruß Michael (Spanuth)
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Meister
> Gesendet: Montag, 7. Januar 2008 14:44
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [HN] Suche Marie Gassdorf
>
> Die o.G. Schwester der Baumeisters Wilhelm Gassdorf aus H-Linden soll um
> 1880-1888 in Hannover geboren sein
> Eine Anfrage bei der Behörde der Stadt Hannover verlief ergebnislos.
> Sollte
> jemand mir zu dieser Ahnenforschung An-
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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 15:37:52
From: DSore10588 <dsore10588(a)aol.com>

Living in St. Louis and being born in Illinois is not all that far fetched.  It happened in my family.  They apparently moved for around three years to somewhere in Illinois in between census records.  So, it could happen.




ssage dated 01/07/08 08:17:33 Central Standard Time, AJHattorf writes:

In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt   
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: 

Wow!  Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to   
American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says:   
SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October  1856.   
Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New  Orleans. 



Hi Sandy 

I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that   
you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census. 

I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the   
shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old,   
ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the   
arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832. 

And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as   
Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok. 

And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry   
Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next 
page  they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would 
be  still ok. 


But now the break in that story 

In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in  Ruma, 
Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the   
same that lived before in St. Louis???? 

IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named  Henry 
but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry  Sievers 
was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the  1880 
census he should be now about 12 years old????? 

Hope you have still some infos about that 

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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 16:20:48
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

The St. Louis to Illinois connection isn't hard to fathom, Ruma is not far from St. Louis, I grew up in Randolph County. However, there is more to that 1880 Census than is mentioned below. There are other children in the household who do not appear in the 1870 Census in St. Louis.

1870 Federal Census:  St. Louis, MO
Sievers, Henry, age 38, born in Hannover, Works in Brickyard
Sievers, Sarah, age 24, born in Hannover
Sievers, John, age 2, born in MO

1880 Federal Census:  Ruma, Randolph County, IL
Sievers, Henry, age 44, born Germany, Farmer, widower
Sievers, Mina, age 18, born in IL
Sievers, Henry, age 14, born in IL
Sievers, Eliza, age 10, born in IL
Sievers, Martha, age 7, born in IL
Sievers, Julius, age 4, born in IL
Koenig, Phillip, age 23, born MO, Wagon Maker
Holgnagel, William, age 32, born Germany, Blacksmith
Unfortunately I can't get this page of the 1880 census to come up on Ancestry, the above is from the index for the household.

Now if you look at Red Bud in 1870 you find the following which is a better match imho.

1870 Federal Census:  Red Bud, Randolph County, IL
Siebert, Henry, age 38, Blacksmith, born in Hannover
SIebert, Amalia, age 32, born in Hannover
Siebert, Minna, age 9, born in Illinois
Siebert, Henry, age 3, born in Illinois

If you look at the 1900 Census for the Henry Siever in Ruma you will see his occupation is Blacksmith. I think the Henry Siever of Ruma is the same as the Henry Siebert in Red Bud in 1870. Keep in mind the ages given in the census are very erratic, especially the older a person gets.

Joel
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At 09:37 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Living in St. Louis and being born in Illinois is not all that far fetched. It happened in my family. They apparently moved for around three years to somewhere in Illinois in between census records. So, it could happen.




ssage dated 01/07/08 08:17:33 Central Standard Time, AJHattorf writes:

In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Wow!  Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to
American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says:
SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October  1856.
Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New  Orleans.



Hi Sandy

I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that
you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census.

I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the
shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old, ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the
arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832.

And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as
Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok.

And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry
Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next
page they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would
be  still ok.


But now the break in that story

In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in  Ruma,
Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the
same that lived before in St. Louis????

IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named  Henry
but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry  Sievers
was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the  1880
census he should be now about 12 years old?????

Hope you have still some infos about that

Armin




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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 16:35:26
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL
Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith
Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany
Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France

Joel
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Re: [HN] Sievers (JOEL)

Date: 2008/01/07 17:23:40
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi Joel
 
I think you have found the right one!!!! Yes, that fits much better than  the 
worker in the brickyard. I think your research is perfect. We will see what  
Sandy is thinking about it.
 
1880 Federal Census: Ruma, Randolph County,  IL
Sievers, Henry, age 44, born Germany, Farmer, widower
Sievers, Mina,  age 18, born in IL
Sievers, Henry, age 14, born in  IL
.....................................
 

1870 Federal Census:  Red Bud, Randolph County, IL

Siebert, Henry, age 38, Blacksmith, born in Hannover

SIebert, Amalia, age 32, born in Hannover

Siebert, Minna, age 9, born in Illinois

Siebert, Henry, age 3, born in Illinois
 
1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL

Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith

Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany

Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France

 
 
And he is blacksmith and Minna is about 9 years in 1870 and 18 in 1880 same 
with Henry.
 
One year up or down from one census to another is ok.
Thats what i meant when i says "there is something wrong in paradise". The 
question is, is the men in the 1856 shiplist really the right one?
 
I will try to see if there is a Henry XXXXX and a Amalia  XXX in the shiplist.
Cause one thing is sure the year of immigration 1856 is correct, i saw that 
year in the 1900 census for Henry Sievers.
 
But with all that Henry Sievers in the census there might be 2 coming from 
Germany in 1856.
 
Armin




   

Re: [HN] Henry Sievers

Date: 2008/01/07 17:59:52
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi all together
 
Yes that Henry Sievers in the 1900 census is Blacksmith and he is married  
since 20 years. So its surely the same one we had in the 1880 census, cause this 
 one was a widower in 1880. The only question is: Is he the one in the 
shiplist  or do we have two persons named Henry Sievers coming 1856 from Germany??? 
 
The year of birth of the one Sandy told us is 21 years in 1856 that would  
mean that one we have in the ship list is born 1835 not 1832, ok i know there  
are sometimes reasons why people dont wanted to tell their real age when they  
left Germany, cause they wanted not to serve in the german army .... 
 
Armin
 
 



   

Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 18:09:30
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Thank Bernd. I will give it a try. Is it www.geogen.com?

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:00 AM, Bernd Salewski wrote:

If you try GEOGEN nd type SIEVERS you wil find that the most Sievers are
from the Landkreis (County) Eckerförde.
Please try and searcht there

Bernd

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search


First, I would like to thank you for responding. I am truly grateful.
Yes, I do have a copy of Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate.
It says his occupation was a Black Smith. When he died he was 75 yrs,
4months, and 9 days old. That is how I confirmed his date of birth as
Oct.25, 1832. Also, I was incorrect when I stated that Heinrich
Gottlieb Sievers death certificate said he was from Hamburg. It does
not list a place of birth other than Germany. I saw Hamburg on his
son's death certificate. His son's list his place of birth and his
parents. In the spot for father it says,"Henry G. Sievers born in
Hamburg,Germany". The informant was a much younger sibling, she is
still living today, but don't remember too much.

On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from
Hannover,and  a peasant. What does that mean?  Why in 1856 would he
have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863.
Why the change?  His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to
visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found.
Although, I can find anything to confirm it.

Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in
germany did I come from.
Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Hanno V. J. Kolbe wrote:

Sandy Cooper wrote:
My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb
Sievers was born October
1832 in Germany. His ship
log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate
his son was
the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??


Hamburg/Hannover ? No.
You have the original of the death certificate ?
Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error.
What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ...

Greetings
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[HN] Dunker / Duncker

Date: 2008/01/07 18:26:59
From: Dunker Stephan <dunker.stephan(a)freenet.de>

Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder,

 

da ich mich hier neu angemeldet habe, möchte ich mich kurz vorstellen.

 

Mein Name ist, wie man auch an der eMailadresse erkennen kann, Stephan
Dunker. Ich komme aus Bielefeld und suche vorzugsweise nach meinen Ahnen mit
dem Familiennamen Dunker/Duncker.

 

Von ca. 1790 an sind meine Vorfahren im Bereich Mühlhausen/Thüringen
angesiedelt, jedoch gibt es derzeit ungeklärte Verbindungen nach
Cassel/Kassel, Oldendorf (Hessisch-Oldendorf), Rodenberg, Rathenow,
Sternberg und Trondheim (Norwegen).

 

Gezielt suche ich nach einem Johann Carl DUNKER *ca.1790/1800, welcher sich
1860 in Gotha zur Vaterschaft bekannte. Da lediglich der Wohnort Peißel
bekannt ist, bitte ich euch auf diesem Wege um Unterstützung/Informationen.

 

Vielen Dank und ein frohes neues Jahr ;)

 

Stephan Dunker

 


Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 18:38:02
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

Yes, thats correct.

Bernd

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search


Thank Bernd. I will give it a try. Is it www.geogen.com?

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:00 AM, Bernd Salewski wrote:

If you try GEOGEN nd type SIEVERS you wil find that the most Sievers
are
from the Landkreis (County) Eckerförde.
Please try and searcht there

Bernd

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search


First, I would like to thank you for responding. I am truly grateful.
Yes, I do have a copy of Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate.
It says his occupation was a Black Smith. When he died he was 75 yrs,
4months, and 9 days old. That is how I confirmed his date of birth as
Oct.25, 1832. Also, I was incorrect when I stated that Heinrich
Gottlieb Sievers death certificate said he was from Hamburg. It does
not list a place of birth other than Germany. I saw Hamburg on his
son's death certificate. His son's list his place of birth and his
parents. In the spot for father it says,"Henry G. Sievers born in
Hamburg,Germany". The informant was a much younger sibling, she is
still living today, but don't remember too much.

On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from
Hannover,and  a peasant. What does that mean?  Why in 1856 would he
have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863.
Why the change?  His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to
visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I
found.
Although, I can find anything to confirm it.

Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in
germany did I come from.
Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Hanno V. J. Kolbe wrote:

Sandy Cooper wrote:
My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb
Sievers was born October
1832 in Germany. His ship
log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate
his son was
the information giver, and the son said his father was from
Hamburg??


Hamburg/Hannover ? No.
You have the original of the death certificate ?
Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error.
What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ...

Greetings
Hanno (V.J.Kolbe)



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Re: [HN] Henry Sievers

Date: 2008/01/07 18:45:41
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

How positive are we that the Henry Sievers in Ruma was the one who arrived in New Orleans in 1856? That Henry Sievers indicated Indiana has his destination. There is another Henry Sievers who arrived in June 1857 that gives St. Louis as his destination (he is also from Hannover). That is just a quick check of New Orleans. As can be seen from the Census data the last name may have had a different spelling, have other spellings been checked or only the spelling "Sievers"?

Joel
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At 11:53 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Hi all together

Yes that Henry Sievers in the 1900 census is Blacksmith and he is married
since 20 years. So its surely the same one we had in the 1880 census, cause this
 one was a widower in 1880. The only question is: Is he the one in the
shiplist or do we have two persons named Henry Sievers coming 1856 from Germany???

The year of birth of the one Sandy told us is 21 years in 1856 that would
mean that one we have in the ship list is born 1835 not 1832, ok i know there are sometimes reasons why people dont wanted to tell their real age when they
left Germany, cause they wanted not to serve in the german army ....

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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 18:52:31
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>


   Hey!!!  It's great to see so much action by so many people on the
   Sievers Family Search.

   

   The down side - there is/are/were a lot of Sievers out there and
   Heinrich/Henry is common, but with all the action it will be over
   come.

   

   Gale

Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 19:02:31
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Good Morning Joel,

Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much information that I have.

I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in 10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.), 1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881. They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962. As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one. The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with first wife. With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in Germany would be greatly appreciated.

Hope I did not take too much of your time.
Blessings
sandy sievers
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL
Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith
Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany
Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France

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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 19:12:50
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

The Gefina you list below is actually Gesina, the 's' is often confused with the 'f' as it is written.

Joel
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At 09:06 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote:

   HI Sandy:

   Â

   Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?

   Â

   Here is what I find.  It includes aparently a whole family of
   Seivers.

   Â

   [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex [6]Arrived
   [7]Origin [8]Ship
   CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
   HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
   TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
   GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY

   Â

   GEFINA     [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7  F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
   MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER         10 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA


   Â

   Â

   Â

   GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA

   Â

   This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis Island.

   Â

   [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org

   Â

   You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of interest
   by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and 1856 for
   the other.  Then select the ships Stella for one and Borussia for the
   other.  Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card * Â

   Â

   Gale

   Â

   Â

   Gale


   On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:

     Good Evening to All,
     I have been trying to put together my family history. I am finding
     out Â
     it is very hard from the US. Â My gg grandfather was Heinrich
     Gottlieb Â
     Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born October
     Â
     1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New Â
     Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen on the
     ship Â
     named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were destroyed during
     Â
     the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4, 1908. His
     ship Â
     log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census reports in
     Â
     Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate his son
     was Â
     the information giver, and the son said his father was from
     Hamburg?? Â
     I do know   Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named
     Gottlieb. Â
     Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to America May
     22, Â
     1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a blessing at
     Â
     this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
     sandy sievers
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References

1. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=first&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 2. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=last&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 3. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occupation&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 4. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 5. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 6. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arrived&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 7. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=origin&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 8. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ship&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
   9. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222
  10. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221
  11. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220
  12. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219
  13. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224
  14. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223
  15. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460
  16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/

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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 19:18:23
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, such
as Peine, Hannover.

Janice Thiele Seiler 

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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 PM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Good Morning Joel,

Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information.  
As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with
postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been
on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing
letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much
information that I have.

I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, Randoph
County,  Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to the
Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to
America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started pulling
census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very nice lady
at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob,
off of his death certificate. It said he died
04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud
and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he
went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in
10-28-1856 on the  ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New
Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it
spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according
to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born
Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that Amalia gave
birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.),
1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881
(Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much
about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of
St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book
that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich
had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the
states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right
away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those
children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born
1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo.
because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881.  
They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry
Sievers. he was born 1891-1962.
As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which
listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one.  
The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was
taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a
fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry
G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I
think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with
first wife.
With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he
came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers
who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High Ridge Library,
MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in Germany would be
greatly appreciated.

Hope I did not take too much of your time.
Blessings
sandy sievers
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

> 1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, 
> Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, 
> born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France
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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 19:27:04
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Gale,

Yes, it is such a huge blessing!! All the wonderful people taking the time to help me.....they dont even know me. Yet, they are still most giving of their time and wisdom. i feel very humbled. You must understand, my parents divorced when I was 6yrs and my mother moved to Louisiana. My father was an only chid and so am I. So, i dont have family to go to for help. My grandfather died when I was almost 2yrs. and my father has Parkinson's. So, I am truly amazed to see others helping with such BIG hearts.

Blessings of Joy to you,
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:50 AM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:



  Hey!!!  It's great to see so much action by so many people on the
  Sievers Family Search.

  Â

  The down side - there is/are/were a lot of Sievers out there and
  Heinrich/Henry is common, but with all the action it will be over
  come.

  Â

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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 19:31:44
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Hi Sandy,

You mention they attended St. John's - Ruma, have you looked or had someone check the baptismal records of the children? Often they will list the birthplace of the parents. Their marriage record often gives this information also. Do the same for Gottlieb in Jefferson County. I've traced numerous ancestors to various places in what is now Germany. Almost every time I was able to find their birth place from church records, don't forget to check their death record at the church also. If those don't work then you might start researching others who came on the ship with him. Often many people from the same local area would come over together. I even found one ship with almost 100 people all from the same little village coming over on the same ship. The other Sievers on the Stella's passenger list do add to the confusion, it's surprising not to find any of them. Tekla/Terla and Catherine could easily be married by 1860, as could the elder Gesina if she remarried after arrival. That leave Margaretha and the younger Gesina who should be the easiest to track. Did you check St. John's - Ruma for the deaths of any of these people? Also, did you check Henry's probate record, perhaps he mentioned siblings, nephews, neices, etc. I had one of my families that appeared the entire family came over together, parents in their 50s and the kids in their teens and early twenties. I was at a loss until I read the will and found out the oldest daughter remained in Germany and where in Germany she was living was listed in the Will. There are lots of avenues for research yet.

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At 01:00 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Good Morning Joel,

Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information.
As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with
postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been
on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old
way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to
give you as much information that I have.

I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma,
Randoph County,  Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to
the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans
to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started
pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very
nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I
figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died
04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud
and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he
went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US
in 10-28-1856 on the  ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in
New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen
it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880
according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first
child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that
Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.),
1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881
(Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much
about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of
St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book
that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich
had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in
the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried
right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all
those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was
born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in
St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881.
They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles
Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962.
As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870,
which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one.
The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census
was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a
fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry
G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I
think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child
with first wife.
With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany
he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High
Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in
Germany would be greatly appreciated.

Hope I did not take too much of your time.
Blessings
sandy sievers
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

> 1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL
> Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith
> Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany
> Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France
>
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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/07 19:33:00
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

   Good Catch Joel.  That was the way it was listed on the ships list.
   I guess what that means is that many times one has to look for
   spellings which are the result of mistakes.  Where the correct
   become the incorrect.  Then the incorrect becomes the name of
   record.  Example Joel becomes because someone heard Joe and wrote it
   that way on a record.

   

   Gale/Gail/Gayle/Gael


   On Jan 7, 2008, jsruss(a)mindspring.com wrote:

     The Gefina you list below is actually Gesina, the
     's' is often confused with the 'f' as it is written.
     Joel
     http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
     At 09:06 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
     >    HI Sandy:
     >
     >    
     >
     >    Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?
     >
     >    
     >
     >    Here is what I find.  It includes aparently a whole family
     of
     >    Seivers.
     >
     >    
     >
     >    [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex
     [6]Arrived
     >    [7]Origin [8]Ship
     >    CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY
     STELLA
     >    HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
     >    TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
     >    GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY
     >
     >    
     >
     >    GEFINA     [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7  F 28 Oct 1856
     GERMANY STELLA
     >    MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER         10 F 28 Oct 1856
     GERMANY STELLA
     >
     >
     >    
     >
     >    
     >
     >    
     >
     >    GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA
     >
     >    
     >
     >    This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis
     Island.
     >
     >    
     >
     >    [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org
     >
     >    
     >
     >    You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of
     interest
     >    by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and
     1856 for
     >    the other.  Then select the ships Stella for one and
     Borussia for the
     >    other.  Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card * 
     >
     >    
     >
     >    Gale
     >
     >    
     >
     >    
     >
     >    Gale
     >
     >
     >    On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:
     >
     >      Good Evening to All,
     >      I have been trying to put together my family history. I
     am finding
     >      out 
     >      it is very hard from the US.  My gg grandfather was
     Heinrich
     >      Gottlieb 
     >      Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was
     born October
     >      
     >      1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New 
     >      Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen
     on the
     >      ship 
     >      named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were
     destroyed during
     >      
     >      the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4,
     1908. His
     >      ship 
     >      log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census
     reports in
     >      
     >      Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate
     his son
     >      was 
     >      the information giver, and the son said his father was
     from
     >      Hamburg?? 
     >      I do know   Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother
     named
     >      Gottlieb. 
     >      Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to
     America May
     >      22, 
     >      1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a
     blessing at
     >      
     >      this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
     >      sandy sievers
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     >
     >References
     >
     >    1.
     >
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=fir
     st&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_a
     rr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >    2.
     >
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=las
     t&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_ar
     r_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >    3.
     >
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occ
     upation&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=1836
     8&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >    4.
     >
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age
     &p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr
     _date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >    5.
     >
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex
     &p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr
     _date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >    6.
     >
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arr
     ived&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m
     _arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >    7.
     >
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ori
     gin&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_
     arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >    8.
     >
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=shi
     p&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_ar
     r_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
     >    9.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222
     >   10.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221
     >   11.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220
     >   12.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219
     >   13.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224
     >   14.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223
     >   15.
     file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460
     >   16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/
     >
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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 19:45:38
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Awesome! How did you find that?

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Janice Seiler wrote:

I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, such
as Peine, Hannover.

Janice Thiele Seiler

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 PM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Good Morning Joel,

Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information.
As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with
postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been
on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing
letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much
information that I have.

I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, Randoph
County,  Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to the
Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to
America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob,
off of his death certificate. It said he died
04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud
and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he
went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in
10-28-1856 on the  ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New
Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it
spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according
to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born
Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that Amalia gave
birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.),
1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881
(Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much
about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of
St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book
that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich
had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the
states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right
away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those
children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born
1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo.
because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881.
They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry
Sievers. he was born 1891-1962.
As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which
listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one.
The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was
taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a
fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry
G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I
think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with
first wife.
With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he
came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers
who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in Germany would be
greatly appreciated.

Hope I did not take too much of your time.
Blessings
sandy sievers
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber,
Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23,
born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France

Joel
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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 19:50:45
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

I went to the courthouse in the town that my gggfather settled in and
they had the original record in the district records files and made a
copy for me for $1.00. 

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:44 PM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Awesome! How did you find that?

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Janice Seiler wrote:

> I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, such

> as Peine, Hannover.
>
> Janice Thiele Seiler
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net 
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 PM
> To: Hannover-L
> Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS
>
> Good Morning Joel,
>
> Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information.
> As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with 
> postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been

> on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old 
> way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to 
> give you as much information that I have.
>
> I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, 
> Randoph County,  Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to

> the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans 
> to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started 
> pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very

> nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I 
> figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died
> 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud 
> and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he 
> went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US 
> in
> 10-28-1856 on the  ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New 
> Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it 
> spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 
> according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first 
> child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that 
> Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.),
> 1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 
> (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much 
> about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of 
> St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book 
> that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich 
> had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in 
> the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried 
> right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all 
> those
> children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born
> 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo.
> because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881.
> They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles 
> Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962.
> As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, 
> which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one.
> The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census 
> was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a 
> fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry
> G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I 
> think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child 
> with first wife.
> With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany 
> he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb 
> Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High 
> Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in

> Germany would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Hope I did not take too much of your time.
> Blessings
> sandy sievers
> On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:
>
>> 1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, 
>> Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, 
>> born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France
>>
>> Joel
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>>
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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 19:54:02
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Joel,

Thanks again for your advice. I will print this out and pull the church record book I have to see what I can find. I did speak with a lady of the church who did some research on the Stamm/ Sievers Family. She stated she could not find where exactly the Sievers Family came from. But, I will give all the info a screening.

Again.....thanks so much for your help. I'll let you know what I find.

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

Hi Sandy,

You mention they attended St. John's - Ruma, have you looked or had
someone check the baptismal records of the children?  Often they will
list the birthplace of the parents.  Their marriage record often
gives this information also.  Do the same for Gottlieb in Jefferson
County.  I've traced numerous ancestors to various places in what is
now Germany.  Almost every time I was able to find their birth place
from church records, don't forget to check their death record at the
church also.  If those don't work then you might start researching
others who came on the ship with him.  Often many people from the
same local area would come over together.  I even found one ship with
almost 100 people all from the same little village coming over on the
same ship.  The other Sievers on the Stella's passenger list do add
to the confusion, it's surprising not to find any of
them.  Tekla/Terla and Catherine could easily be married by 1860, as
could the elder Gesina if she remarried after arrival.  That leave
Margaretha and the younger Gesina who should be the easiest to
track.  Did you check St. John's - Ruma for the deaths of any of
these people?  Also, did you check Henry's probate record, perhaps he
mentioned siblings, nephews, neices, etc.  I had one of my families
that appeared the entire family came over together, parents in their
50s and the kids in their teens and early twenties.  I was at a loss
until I read the will and found out the oldest daughter remained in
Germany and where in Germany she was living was listed in the
Will.  There are lots of avenues for research yet.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 01:00 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Good Morning Joel,

Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information.
As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with
postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been
on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old
way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to
give you as much information that I have.

I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma,
Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to
the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans
to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started
pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very
nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I
figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died
04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud
and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he
went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US
in 10-28-1856 on the  ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in
New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen
it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880
according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first
child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that
Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.),
1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881
(Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much
about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of
St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book
that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich
had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in
the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried
right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all
those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was
born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in
St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881.
They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles
Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962.
As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870,
which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one.
The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census
was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a
fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry
G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I
think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child
with first wife.
With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany
he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High
Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in
Germany would be greatly appreciated.

Hope I did not take too much of your time.
Blessings
sandy sievers
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL
Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith
Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany
Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France

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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/07 20:04:45
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi  Janice,

I did notice on a census report that it said "Yes" to Naturalized. When I checked in Chester, Randolph County, Il. They said they had one, but not sure it would be my Heinrich Sievers. It stated the place was " Kingdom of Hannover". Any ideas? I even tried to get Emmigration papers Bremen, Germamny. I was told before they got on the ships they had to fill out papers. No luck, they were destroyed.

Blessings & Joy
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Janice Seiler wrote:

I went to the courthouse in the town that my gggfather settled in and
they had the original record in the district records files and made a
copy for me for $1.00.

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:44 PM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Awesome! How did you find that?

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Janice Seiler wrote:

I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, such

as Peine, Hannover.

Janice Thiele Seiler

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Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Good Morning Joel,

Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information.
As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with
postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been

on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old
way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to
give you as much information that I have.

I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma,
Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to

the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans
to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started
pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very

nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I
figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died
04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud
and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he
went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US
in
10-28-1856 on the  ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New
Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it
spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880
according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first
child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that
Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.),
1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881
(Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much
about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of
St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book
that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich
had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in
the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried
right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all
those
children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born
1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo.
because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881.
They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles
Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962.
As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870,
which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one.
The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census
was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a
fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry
G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I
think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child
with first wife.
With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany
he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High
Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in

Germany would be greatly appreciated.

Hope I did not take too much of your time.
Blessings
sandy sievers
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber,
Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23,
born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France

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[HN] Neue Homepage Treichel

Date: 2008/01/07 20:34:12
From: Mirko Treichel <Treichel-gen(a)web.de>

Hallo Forscherkollegen,

ich habe eine eigene Homepage entworfen und natürlich auch den Bereich Ahnenforschung berücksichtigt. Dieser Bereich soll natürlich ständig mit Forschungsergebnissen erweitert und ergänzt werden.

Ich würde mich freuen, wenn Ihr meine Ahnenliste mal durchschauen würdet. Für Anregungen, Kritik oder Lob bin ich dankbar.
Über eine Eintragung ins Gästebuch würde ich mich auch freuen ;-).

Die väterliche Seite umfaßt hauptsächlich Daten aus Westpreußen, während die mütterliche Seite vorrangig den Raum Hannover, Döhren, Wülfel, Linden aber auch den Südharz mit Niedersachswerfen, Königsthal, Bebra in Thüringen umfaßt.

www.family-treichel.de.tl

Gruß Mirko (Treichel)
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Re: [HN] Sievers in the shiplist

Date: 2008/01/07 23:06:25
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

How  positive are we that the Henry Sievers in Ruma was the one who 
arrived in  New Orleans in 1856?  


Hi Joel, this is exactly the point. The name Henry Sievers is not so  
uncommon at ancestry.com. 
 
We have two Henry Sievers living in St. Louis, .......... There is  
absolutely no proof, that the one in the shiplist is the right one. I will try  to find 
out more tomorrow, when i have a little more time. 
 
I would try Sie* in the search mask, and the year of birth for the search,  
but of course knowing that the shiplist may have horrible misspellings he can 
be  even Severs or whatever.
 
So i should perhaps try it with Henry or Hei* (for Heinrich cause even  
Heinrich is sometimes misspelled as HEIMrich) and year of birth 1832 two or five  
years up and down and then see what i can get. Of course there is no 100 
percent  proof that he has taken a ship to St. Louis. What if a ship to Philadelphia 
was  cheaper? I found out there is nothing impossible searching people in the 
 shiplist. 
 
Hope he was not a swimmer LOL, i have 2 swimmers in my family. I never  found 
them in the list.
 
Armin



   

Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)

Date: 2008/01/07 23:54:40
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I even  have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb  
Sievers who lived in  House Springs, Mo. 


Hi Sandy
 
Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means  the 
double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb are  
brothers.
 
So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about  him? 
At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in the  1870 
census, surely his name is misspelled.
 
Armin
 
 



   

Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)

Date: 2008/01/08 01:18:57
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Armin,

Sure, I can post that information. It may take me 30-45 mins. to pull and arrange Gottlieb Sievers file.

Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I even  have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
Sievers who lived in  House Springs, Mo.


Hi Sandy

Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means the double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb are
brothers.

So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about him? At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in the 1870
census, surely his name is misspelled.

Armin






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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/08 01:26:07
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Joel,

I have been through the St.John's History Book 2x. On their birth records it just states parents name, child's name and date of birth and place. I did place a call to Miss Hanebutt at the church to double check the information. As for Gottlieb Sievers.....I am fixing to post his information as well. In hopes it will add in my search for where they came from in Germany. If I have missed anything please let me know.

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL
Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith
Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany
Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France

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Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/08 01:41:50
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Sandy,

Hopefully you'll have better luck with the actual church entry. Often the books are abstracts and don't contain all of the details in the original record. Be sure and check for all entries for him.

Joel

At 07:25 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Hi Joel,

I have been through the St.John's History Book 2x. On their birth
records it just states parents name, child's name and date of birth
and place. I did place a call to Miss Hanebutt at the church to double
check the information. As for Gottlieb Sievers.....I am fixing to post
his information as well. In hopes it will add in my search for where
they came from in Germany. If I have missed anything please let me know.

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

> 1860 Federal Census:  Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL
> Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith
> Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany
> Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France
>
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>
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Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)

Date: 2008/01/08 01:43:49
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS





Generation No. 1



1. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINA LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of L.H. LEE. She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). She was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.



Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

BORUSSIA (1)

The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co, Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were - length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts, iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers. Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies service. In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started sailings between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22 October 1997]







More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO

Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard Borussia

Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper

Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office



More About ARA MELVINA LEE:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO



More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are:

i. WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b. May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m. CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.).



More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO

Occupation: Policeman



ii. CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source: Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. January 26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO.



More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household

Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware



More About SUDIE E. HARVISON:

Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO





Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:

                             iii.        MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July 1894.

2. iv. ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson Co., MO.

                             v.        WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902.

                             vi.        LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905.





Generation No. 2



2. ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922. She was born Abt. 1904.



More About ELMER R. SIEVERS:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are:

                             i.        RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924.

                             ii.        GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.

                             iii.        DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929.



On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I even  have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
Sievers who lived in  House Springs, Mo.


Hi Sandy

Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means the double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb are
brothers.

So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about him? At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in the 1870
census, surely his name is misspelled.

Armin






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[HN] Tobias TOBIASSEN immigration

Date: 2008/01/08 02:02:57
From: Ron Bronemann <ron_bronemann(a)hotmail.com>


  I am seeking the immigration record of Tobias TOBIASSEN, b. 1 Sep 1838
  Marx, Ostfriesland, Germany, d. 15 Jan 1907 Wayne Twp., Jones Co.,
  IA.  He immigrated alone to the USA in 1857, worked at Galesburg, IL
  for one year and moved to Dixon, Lee Co., IL for six years before
  moving to IA where he farmed for the rest of his life.

  I have not been able to find Tobias at Castle Garden.  I would like
  assistance in finding him in other immigrant records.

  Thank you for your every
  consideration.

  Ron

Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/08 02:10:35
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>

Hi Sandy,

Many times people went where the fare was the cheapest.
Also, the brother might have moved around before he left for the US.

Some examples:
My grandmother left Saxony and came to the US by way of Hamburg.
She went back for a visit.  The second time she came through Rotterdam.

Her nephew leaving from the home town left from Hamburg, his wife
followed later from Bremerhaven.

On the other side of the family my great-grandparents left Leipzig for
the US and came through Rotterdam.

You would like to think that they came through the closest port but that
is not always the case.

Bobbi


On Jan 6, 2008 6:00 PM, Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from
> Hannover,and  a peasant. What does that mean?  Why in 1856 would he
> have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863.
> Why the change?  His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to
> visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found.
> Although, I can find anything to confirm it.
>
> Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in
> germany did I come from.
> Blessings
> sandy sievers cooper
>
>

Re: [HN] Tobias TOBIASSEN immigration

Date: 2008/01/08 02:13:56
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>

Hi Ron,

Did you try looking through Steve Morse's web site?
After searching for my great-grandparents for 20 years I was able to find
them
though his search engine.

Bobbi

On Jan 7, 2008 8:02 PM, Ron Bronemann <ron_bronemann(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>   I am seeking the immigration record of Tobias TOBIASSEN, b. 1 Sep 1838
>   Marx, Ostfriesland, Germany, d. 15 Jan 1907 Wayne Twp., Jones Co.,
>   IA.  He immigrated alone to the USA in 1857, worked at Galesburg, IL
>   for one year and moved to Dixon, Lee Co., IL for six years before
>   moving to IA where he farmed for the rest of his life.
>
>   I have not been able to find Tobias at Castle Garden.  I would like
>   assistance in finding him in other immigrant records.
>
>   Thank you for your every
>   consideration.
>
>   Ron
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Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)

Date: 2008/01/08 04:18:51
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Sandy,

You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below.

1870 Federal Census:  Big River, Jefferson County, MO
Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany
Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO
Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
(Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel certain this is your Sievers, note he is a Blacksmith) It might be worth checking out Henry Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith.

1880 Federal Census:  Meramec, Jefferson County, MO
Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith
Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO
Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO
Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO

Hope these help.

Joel
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At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:
Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS





Generation No. 1



1.  GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and
died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (1) ARA MELVINA
LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of
L.H. LEE.  She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in
Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in
Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY).  She
was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.



Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

BORUSSIA (1)

The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co,
Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were -
length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts,
iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was
accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers.
Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British
government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her
first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg
on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound
engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies service.
In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started sailings
between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool
for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd
December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by
N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22
October 1997]







More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO

Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard
Borussia

Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper

Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office



More About ARA MELVINA LEE:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO



More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are:

                              i.        WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b.
May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source:
Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m.
CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO
(Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956,
www.sos.mo.gov.).



More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO

Occupation: Policeman



                              ii.        CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt.
1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source:
Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. January
26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO.



More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household

Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware



More About SUDIE E. HARVISON:

Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO





Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:

                              iii.        MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July 1894.

2.        iv.        ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson
Co., MO.

                              v.        WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902.

                              vi.        LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905.





Generation No. 2



2.  ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson
Co., MO.  He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922.  She was born Abt.
1904.



More About ELMER R. SIEVERS:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are:

                              i.        RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924.

                              ii.        GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.

                              iii.        DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929.



On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:

>
> In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
> schreibt
> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
>
> I even  have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
> Sievers who lived in  House Springs, Mo.
>
>
> Hi Sandy
>
> Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That
> means  the
> double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb
> are
> brothers.
>
> So could you please open your box again and give us what you have
> about  him?
> At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in
> the  1870
> census, surely his name is misspelled.
>
> Armin
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)

Date: 2008/01/08 04:43:43
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Joel,

This is amazing!! First you find Heinrich G. Sievers in 1860 in Ruma........which I could not. THEN, you find Gottlieb in 1870 . How did you do it?? I did have 1880, but have not put it in my computer yet. So, what do you think after the information you have seen so far? Do you think they really could have came fron Hanover? Every one in Ruma, Il. told me the story that two brothers came over from Hannover, Germany. First the oldest (mine) then his brother Gottlieb. I do have alot more on Gottlieb because he made his presence more noticable in MO. I know he was a coffin maker (because of his newspaper ad) , a blacksmith, Justice of the Peace ( in 1906) , owned a hotel, was the postmaster(1896 & 1915-1928) for many years in House Springs,Mo. and was a "Master Mason" in Fenton,Mo. I have even tried to track down info on Gottlieb's 2 sons from 1st wife. I did find them in St.Louis, Mo and wrote to the police history library. They sent me a picture of him in uniform. But, neither son Charles or William had children. They got married...but no children. I found one of their distant cousins in a nursing home. She and I write alot, but she said her dad really did try to keep in touch with the boys but when Gottlieb remarried they hardly ever came back to visit. i have a copy of his will, it doesnt say a thing of where he was born. Also, both wedding lic., still nothing. Where should I turn to now?

Blessings & Joy
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

Sandy,

You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below.

1870 Federal Census:  Big River, Jefferson County, MO
Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany
Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO
Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
(Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel
certain this is your Sievers, note he is a
Blacksmith)  It might be worth checking out Henry
Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps
Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith.

1880 Federal Census:  Meramec, Jefferson County, MO
Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith
Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO
Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO
Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO

Hope these help.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:
Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS





Generation No. 1



1.  GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and
died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (1) ARA MELVINA
LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of
L.H. LEE.  She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in
Jefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). She
was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.



Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

BORUSSIA (1)

The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co,
Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were -
length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts,
iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was
accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers.
Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British
government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her
first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg
on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound
engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies service. In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started sailings
between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool
for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd
December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by
N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22
October 1997]







More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO

Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard
Borussia

Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper

Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office



More About ARA MELVINA LEE:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO



More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are:

                             i.        WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b.
May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source:
Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m.
CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO
(Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956,
www.sos.mo.gov.).



More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO

Occupation: Policeman



                             ii.        CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt.
1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source:
Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. January
26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO.



More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household

Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware



More About SUDIE E. HARVISON:

Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO





Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:

iii. MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July 1894.

2.        iv.        ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson
Co., MO.

                             v.        WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902.

                             vi.        LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905.





Generation No. 2



2.  ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson
Co., MO.  He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922.  She was born Abt.
1904.



More About ELMER R. SIEVERS:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are:

                             i.        RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924.

                             ii.        GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.

                             iii.        DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929.



On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I even  have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
Sievers who lived in  House Springs, Mo.


Hi Sandy

Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That
means  the
double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb
are
brothers.

So could you please open your box again and give us what you have
about  him?
At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in
the  1870
census, surely his name is misspelled.

Armin






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Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search

Date: 2008/01/08 04:46:14
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Thanks Bobbi......i did not realize that price would determine what port you would sail out of.

Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Bobbi wrote:

Hi Sandy,

Many times people went where the fare was the cheapest.
Also, the brother might have moved around before he left for the US.

Some examples:
My grandmother left Saxony and came to the US by way of Hamburg.
She went back for a visit. The second time she came through Rotterdam.

Her nephew leaving from the home town left from Hamburg, his wife
followed later from Bremerhaven.

On the other side of the family my great-grandparents left Leipzig for
the US and came through Rotterdam.

You would like to think that they came through the closest port but that
is not always the case.

Bobbi


On Jan 6, 2008 6:00 PM, Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> wrote:



On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from
Hannover,and  a peasant. What does that mean?  Why in 1856 would he
have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863.
Why the change?  His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to
visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found.
Although, I can find anything to confirm it.

Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in
germany did I come from.
Blessings
sandy sievers cooper


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Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 50, Eintrag 17

Date: 2008/01/08 06:14:35
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 02:11:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

1.   GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and   
died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (1) ARA  MELVINA  
LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO,  daughter of  
L.H. LEE.  She was born July 03, 1849, and died  August 06, 1892 in  
Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (2) MAHALIA  E. MEDLEY September 1893 in  
Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL  MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY).  She  
was born January 1869 in MO,  and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.



Good morning Sandy
 
Ok thank you, thats what i thought too. I have found this last night before  
i went to bed in the 1880 census, but i was not 100 percent sure if this is 
the  right one. Here his place of birth is Hanover, surely the Kingdom of 
Hannover  and not the capital. I will try to find him in 1870 and 1900. 
 
And JOEL, i will try to crosscheck the datas of Henry Sievers . We have 2  
Henry Sievers in St. Louis. And only one in the shiplist, if we could find the  
WORKER In BRICKYARD in the 1900 census we would see HIS date of immigration.  
Perhaps its also 1856 perhaps HE is the one who came 1859.
 
 
_1880 United  States Federal Census_ 
(http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=6742&enc=1)  
about Gottlieb Sievens 
Name: <HLT>Got     Home in 1880: Meramec, Jefferson, Missouri  Age: 32  
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848  Birthplace: Hanover  Relation to Head of Household: 
Self (Head)  Spouse's Name: Ara A.  Father's birthplace: Hanover  Mother's 
birthplace: Hanover  Neighbors: _View  others on page_ 
(http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=0&r=an&db=1880usfedcen&F39=MOT9_696-0055)   
 Occupation: Blacksmith  Marital Status: Married  Race: White  Gender: Male   
Cannot  read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise  disabled:

Idiotic or insane:

_View  Image_ 
(http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=view&r=an&dbid=6742&iid=MOT9_696-0055&fn=Gottlieb&ln=Sievens&st=r&ssrc=&pid=34048340) 
Household Members:     Name Age  _Gottlieb  Sievens_ 
(http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=34048340)  32   _Ara  A. 
Sievens_ 
(http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=33717767)  30   _Willie  Sievens_ 
(http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=33717768)  7   _Charlie  Sievens_ 
(http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=34048341)  4  
Have a fine day
Armin



   

Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 06:41:48
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>

Sandy,
   
  Your dead end presented a fun challenge today.  Fortunately, you had enough
  clues to lead me to what I believe is the Sievers family town of origin.
   
  The Missouri death records are on-line for 1928 when Gottlieb Sievers died.
  In "Gottliev" Sievers death record, Mahala gives his birthdate as July 26, 1847.
  Unfortunately, she did not know his parents names only that he was born in
  Hannover.
   
  You seemed quite certain that we had his passenger list record.  The key was that
  while the Americans wrote down the passenger lists when they arrived - the
  Germans did so when they boarded.  The American passenger lists often do
  not include the exact town of origin only Hannover (Kingdom of) or Hessia, etc.
  However, the German lists (namely the Hamburg lists) typically do specify by town.
   
  Thus, since we knew the ship name, arrival date, port of departure, namely
  Hamburg, I accessed the Hamburg passenger lists.  Since Borussia sailed
  directly to New York, I looked on ancestry.com's Hamburg Passenger Lists.
  Click on Immigration records and then click on Hamburg Passenger Lists (1850-1934).
  Then choose the years (1860-1869) and then Direkt Band 017 since it was a
  direct voyage in May of 1863.
   
  At that point I simply started looking through the 411 images (with some 
  guestimating on travel times, etc.) and landed on image 108 of 411 where I found
  the passenger list for the ship, Borussia and the following passenger:
   
  Sievers, Gottl  "Doegerode"  Hannover  Fleischer   15  
   
  Of course, the handwriting is quite bad.  I have interpreted the town as Doegerode.
  Perhaps others who also have access to this ancestry database can weigh in too
  if I have interpreted it correctly.
   
  Now, Dögerode is currently a part of Kalefeld and is located in the present state of lower saxony or Niedersachsen.
   
  Perhaps, others can share whether it belonged to the Kingdom of Hannover as I am
  unfamiliar with the area.  However, further research should help you clarify the town 
  and its location as well as the available church records.
   
  Hopefully, a review of the local church records for Dögerode will find both Gottlieb
  and Heinrich Gottlieb's baptismal records.
   
  I enjoyed the challenge and hope this helps you make the link back to Germany.
  I would encourage you to obtain the church marriage records for both Heinrich Gottlieb
  and Gottlieb Sievers in America, as you should find further proof of their parents and/or
  confirmation of their town of origin.  Additionally, check the church's burial records too.
   
  Best of luck in your continued research,
   
  Bob Behnen
  Kirksville, MO

Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode

Date: 2008/01/08 10:24:04
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi Bob and Sandy
 
What a lucky day for Sandy !!!!!! Yes its difficult to read, but its  
absolutely correct what you have reading in the Hamburg Ship List.
And the profession is correct FLEISCHER or  is BUTCHER. Today we  would say 
METZGER instead of FLEISCHER but it remains the same.
 
_http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de_ 
(http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de) 
 
This is the link to Kalefeld on the google map you see Dögerode close by.  
Hey Sandy your family was living 15 km away were my old Hattorff family lived in 
 Osterode. 
 
The microfiches of the churchbooks of that region are in Hannover (city).  
Two possibilities you find someone who is doing this research for you in the  
group or you will unfortunately need a professional researcher. A professional  
researcher will take about 35 Euro an hour. 
 
Congratulation your are close to your target.
 
Armin



   

[HN] TOBIAS TOBIASSEN

Date: 2008/01/08 13:03:04
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi Ron
 
Ok that research for Tobias Tobiassen in the shiplist seams to be  difficult.
 
First i have been looking for the family to warm up:-))))))
 
I found in the 1900 Census Tobias Tobiassen, in the 1880 Census Tobias  
Tobiasen, in the 1870 Census Tobias Tobiason. So 3 different spellings but the  
right person born around 1839.
 
I saw in the 1900 census the year of immigration 1857. But you know with  the 
years people forget the exact year.
 
There are a lot of Tobias Tobiasson in the shiplist most of them from  
Danmark. I have been searching Tob* Tob* to find all possible spellings.
 
The most strange thing is this one:
 
    Name: Tobias Tobias  Arrival Date: 17 May 1858  Age: 22   Gender: Male   
Port of Departure: Bremen   Occupation: Merchant   Ship: Luna   Ship Type: 
Ship   Port of Arrival: Baltimore   Place of Origin: Jengum   National Archives' 
Series Number: M255   Microfilm Roll Number: 11   List Number: 11   
Destination: Illinois 
 
I know this is not 1857 but is that name really Tobias Tobias??? And look  at 
the place of origin:
 
Jengum this is in Ostfriesland, the town were HE came from is Marx today a  
part of Friedeburg in Ostfriesland.
_http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Jemgum&hl=de_ 
(http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Jemgum&hl=de) 
 
On this card you see Jemgum also called Jengum in the net, you can search  
this name with google.de
 
And about 30 km in the NorthEast from Jengum is Friedeburg .... Marx is a  
part of Friedeburg. So that Tobias Tobias who came in 1858 is only 30 km away  
from the place your Tobias Tobiassen came from. Strange isnt it??? Ok the year  
of birth is about 1836 instead of 1838 but this is damned close to the person 
 you are looking for.
 
Armin



   

Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)

Date: 2008/01/08 15:27:30
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Sandy,

As active as Gottlieb was you should be able to find an obituary on him, if you haven't already, his town of birth might be given there. Also check the county history if you haven't already.

I just read down my emails and see that Bob appears to have found your town. All of my families traveled out of Bremen so I didn't even think to look at the Hamburg lists.

Joel


At 10:43 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Hi Joel,

This is amazing!! First you find Heinrich G. Sievers in 1860 in
Ruma........which I could not. THEN, you find Gottlieb in 1870 . How
did you do it?? I did have 1880, but have not put it in my computer
yet. So, what do you think after the information you have seen so far?
Do you think they really could have came fron Hanover?  Every one in
Ruma, Il. told me the story that two brothers came over from Hannover,
Germany. First the oldest (mine) then his brother Gottlieb. I do have
alot more on Gottlieb because he made his presence more noticable in
MO. I know he was a coffin maker (because of his newspaper ad) , a
blacksmith, Justice of the Peace ( in 1906) , owned a hotel, was the
postmaster(1896 & 1915-1928) for many years in House Springs,Mo. and
was a "Master Mason" in Fenton,Mo.  I have even tried to track down
info on Gottlieb's 2 sons from 1st wife. I did find them in St.Louis,
Mo and wrote to the police history library. They sent me a picture of
him in uniform. But, neither son Charles or William had children. They
got married...but no children. I found one of their distant cousins in
a nursing home. She and I write alot, but she said her dad really did
try to keep in touch with the boys but when Gottlieb remarried they
hardly ever came back to visit. i have a copy of his will, it doesnt
say a thing of where he was born. Also, both wedding lic., still
nothing. Where should I turn to now?

Blessings & Joy
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

> Sandy,
>
> You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below.
>
> 1870 Federal Census:  Big River, Jefferson County, MO
> Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
> Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany
> Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO
> Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
> (Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel
> certain this is your Sievers, note he is a
> Blacksmith)  It might be worth checking out Henry
> Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps
> Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith.
>
> 1880 Federal Census:  Meramec, Jefferson County, MO
> Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith
> Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO
> Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO
> Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO
>
> Hope these help.
>
> Joel
> http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
>
>
> At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:
>> Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Generation No. 1
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.  GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and
>> died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (1) ARA MELVINA
>> LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of
>> L.H. LEE.  She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in
>> Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893
>> in
>> Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY).
>> She
>> was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.
>>
>>
>>
>> Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:
>>
>> BORUSSIA (1)
>>
>> The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co,
>> Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were -
>> length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts,
>> iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was
>> accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers.
>> Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British
>> government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her
>> first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg
>> on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound
>> engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies
>> service.
>> In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started
>> sailings
>> between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool
>> for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd
>> December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by
>> N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22
>> October 1997]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:
>>
>> Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO
>>
>> Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO
>>
>> Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO
>>
>> Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO
>>
>> Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard
>> Borussia
>>
>> Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper
>>
>> Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office
>>
>>
>>
>> More About ARA MELVINA LEE:
>>
>> Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO
>>
>>
>>
>> More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY:
>>
>> Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO
>>
>>
>>
>> Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are:
>>
>>                              i.        WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b.
>> May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source:
>> Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m.
>> CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO
>> (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956,
>> www.sos.mo.gov.).
>>
>>
>>
>> More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS:
>>
>> Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO
>>
>> Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO
>>
>> Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO
>>
>> Occupation: Policeman
>>
>>
>>
>>                              ii.        CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt.
>> 1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source:
>> Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b.
>> January
>> 26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO.
>>
>>
>>
>> More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS:
>>
>> Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO
>>
>> Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household
>>
>> Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household
>>
>> Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware
>>
>>
>>
>> More About SUDIE E. HARVISON:
>>
>> Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:
>>
>>                              iii.        MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July
>> 1894.
>>
>> 2.        iv.        ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson
>> Co., MO.
>>
>>                              v.        WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902.
>>
>>                              vi.        LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Generation No. 2
>>
>>
>>
>> 2.  ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson
>> Co., MO.  He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922.  She was born Abt.
>> 1904.
>>
>>
>>
>> More About ELMER R. SIEVERS:
>>
>> Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO
>>
>>
>>
>> Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are:
>>
>>                              i.        RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924.
>>
>>                              ii.        GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.
>>
>>                              iii.        DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
>>> schreibt
>>> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
>>>
>>> I even  have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
>>> Sievers who lived in  House Springs, Mo.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sandy
>>>
>>> Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That
>>> means  the
>>> double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb
>>> are
>>> brothers.
>>>
>>> So could you please open your box again and give us what you have
>>> about  him?
>>> At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in
>>> the  1870
>>> census, surely his name is misspelled.
>>>
>>> Armin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode

Date: 2008/01/08 15:42:57
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Sandy,

I've looked through the LDS Catalog and I don't find Dögerode or Kalefeld, actually only a few records for any of the towns in that area appear to have been microfilmed. If that is the case you'll need to find somone who can look at the microfiche as Armin suggests or else contact the church directly. I've had pretty good luck contacting churches in Germany and getting responses. Just don't ask for too much, be specific in what you want, and be patient. Responses some times can take awhile. If you don't speak German you will find several spots online that give form letters already in German where you just add the specifics relevant to the person you are researching. Don't hesistate to email me directly if you need any help with this.

Joel


At 04:23 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
Hi Bob and Sandy

What a lucky day for Sandy !!!!!! Yes its difficult to read, but its
absolutely correct what you have reading in the Hamburg Ship List.
And the profession is correct FLEISCHER or  is BUTCHER. Today we  would say
METZGER instead of FLEISCHER but it remains the same.

_http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de_
(http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de)

This is the link to Kalefeld on the google map you see Dögerode close by.
Hey Sandy your family was living 15 km away were my old Hattorff family lived in
 Osterode.

The microfiches of the churchbooks of that region are in Hannover (city).
Two possibilities you find someone who is doing this research for you in the
group or you will unfortunately need a professional researcher. A professional
researcher will take about 35 Euro an hour.

Congratulation your are close to your target.

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Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 17:43:15
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>

Sandy,
   
  If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might
  consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical
  society located in Willershausen.  Here is their website 
  http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm
   
  where you will find an e-mail for the club officers:
  vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de  
   
  It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them
  that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from
  Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have several
  resources and would be well connected with local resources to find out.  
   
  Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode
  doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier.
  There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld.
   
  I would write to them in German and English providing all the
  possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with
  approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able
  to confirm your suspicions.  Since they appear to be full-fledged 
  history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who have
  helped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the challenge.
   
  Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think
  your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area.
   
  Best of luck,
   
  Bob Behnen
  Kirksville, MO

Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 18:12:10
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Bob,

I just checked my email......and feel like it is Christmas Day all over again!! Thank you so very much! I too have Ancestry, but could never open the emmigration part. Plus if I could, have I can not read German. So I did the next step...I wrote to Hamburg and sent $40.00 for a search. But that was 6 months ago and i have not heard anything(yet). I just don't know how to thank you, other than to "pay it forward". I have had people contact me because of my Sievers/ Laurent Family Tree in Ancestry. And I promise you, I will always help others in their search! As for the marriage certificates, I have Heinrich Gottlieb's second,but not the first. I have both of Gottlieb Sievers( my gg uncle). I found death certificates on the Mo. site "sos". Is that where you found Gottlieb's
Please pardon my spelling......I am VERY happy!

Blessings & Joy,

sandy sievers cooper
(from Doegerode,Germany!!)
On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Robert Behnen wrote:

Sandy,

Your dead end presented a fun challenge today. Fortunately, you had enough clues to lead me to what I believe is the Sievers family town of origin.

The Missouri death records are on-line for 1928 when Gottlieb Sievers died. In "Gottliev" Sievers death record, Mahala gives his birthdate as July 26, 1847. Unfortunately, she did not know his parents names only that he was born in
 Hannover.

You seemed quite certain that we had his passenger list record. The key was that while the Americans wrote down the passenger lists when they arrived - the Germans did so when they boarded. The American passenger lists often do not include the exact town of origin only Hannover (Kingdom of) or Hessia, etc. However, the German lists (namely the Hamburg lists) typically do specify by town.

Thus, since we knew the ship name, arrival date, port of departure, namely Hamburg, I accessed the Hamburg passenger lists. Since Borussia sailed directly to New York, I looked on ancestry.com's Hamburg Passenger Lists. Click on Immigration records and then click on Hamburg Passenger Lists (1850-1934). Then choose the years (1860-1869) and then Direkt Band 017 since it was a
 direct voyage in May of 1863.

At that point I simply started looking through the 411 images (with some guestimating on travel times, etc.) and landed on image 108 of 411 where I found the passenger list for the ship, Borussia and the following passenger:

 Sievers, Gottl  "Doegerode"  Hannover  Fleischer   15

Of course, the handwriting is quite bad. I have interpreted the town as Doegerode. Perhaps others who also have access to this ancestry database can weigh in too
 if I have interpreted it correctly.

Now, Dögerode is currently a part of Kalefeld and is located in the present state of lower saxony or Niedersachsen.

Perhaps, others can share whether it belonged to the Kingdom of Hannover as I am unfamiliar with the area. However, further research should help you clarify the town
 and its location as well as the available church records.

Hopefully, a review of the local church records for Dögerode will find both Gottlieb
 and Heinrich Gottlieb's baptismal records.

I enjoyed the challenge and hope this helps you make the link back to Germany. I would encourage you to obtain the church marriage records for both Heinrich Gottlieb and Gottlieb Sievers in America, as you should find further proof of their parents and/or confirmation of their town of origin. Additionally, check the church's burial records too.

 Best of luck in your continued research,

 Bob Behnen
 Kirksville, MO
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Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode

Date: 2008/01/08 18:16:17
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Armin,

Boy, this is soooo exciting!! Thanks alot for the maps. I wil be scanning all day.

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:23 AM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:

Hi Bob and Sandy

What a lucky day for Sandy !!!!!! Yes its difficult to read, but its
absolutely correct what you have reading in the Hamburg Ship List.
And the profession is correct FLEISCHER or is BUTCHER. Today we would say
METZGER instead of FLEISCHER but it remains the same.

_http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de_
(http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de)

This is the link to Kalefeld on the google map you see Dögerode close by. Hey Sandy your family was living 15 km away were my old Hattorff family lived in
Osterode.

The microfiches of the churchbooks of that region are in Hannover (city). Two possibilities you find someone who is doing this research for you in the group or you will unfortunately need a professional researcher. A professional
researcher will take about 35 Euro an hour.

Congratulation your are close to your target.

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Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)

Date: 2008/01/08 18:25:11
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Joel,

Yes, this is a great day!! And, many thanks to all whom stepped up to help me. Thank You All !!! Do you think I will ever find any ship records out of Breman? Or is it true that they are gone by fire.

Blessings & lots of Joy

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

Sandy,

As active as Gottlieb was you should be able to
find an obituary on him, if you haven't already,
his town of birth might be given there.  Also
check the county history if you haven't already.

I just read down my emails and see that Bob
appears to have found your town.  All of my
families traveled out of Bremen so I didn't even
think to look at the Hamburg lists.

Joel


At 10:43 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Hi Joel,

This is amazing!! First you find Heinrich G. Sievers in 1860 in
Ruma........which I could not. THEN, you find Gottlieb in 1870 . How
did you do it?? I did have 1880, but have not put it in my computer
yet. So, what do you think after the information you have seen so far?
Do you think they really could have came fron Hanover?  Every one in
Ruma, Il. told me the story that two brothers came over from Hannover,
Germany. First the oldest (mine) then his brother Gottlieb. I do have
alot more on Gottlieb because he made his presence more noticable in
MO. I know he was a coffin maker (because of his newspaper ad) , a
blacksmith, Justice of the Peace ( in 1906) , owned a hotel, was the
postmaster(1896 & 1915-1928) for many years in House Springs,Mo. and
was a "Master Mason" in Fenton,Mo.  I have even tried to track down
info on Gottlieb's 2 sons from 1st wife. I did find them in St.Louis,
Mo and wrote to the police history library. They sent me a picture of
him in uniform. But, neither son Charles or William had children. They got married...but no children. I found one of their distant cousins in
a nursing home. She and I write alot, but she said her dad really did
try to keep in touch with the boys but when Gottlieb remarried they
hardly ever came back to visit. i have a copy of his will, it doesnt
say a thing of where he was born. Also, both wedding lic., still
nothing. Where should I turn to now?

Blessings & Joy
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

Sandy,

You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below.

1870 Federal Census:  Big River, Jefferson County, MO
Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany
Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO
Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
(Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel
certain this is your Sievers, note he is a
Blacksmith)  It might be worth checking out Henry
Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps
Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith.

1880 Federal Census:  Meramec, Jefferson County, MO
Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith
Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO
Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO
Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO

Hope these help.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:
Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS





Generation No. 1



1. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINA
LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of
L.H. LEE.  She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in
Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893
in
Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY).
She
was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.



Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

BORUSSIA (1)

The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co,
Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were -
length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts,
iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was
accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers.
Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British
government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her
first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound
engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies
service.
In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started
sailings
between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool
for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd
December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by
N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22
October 1997]







More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO

Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard
Borussia

Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper

Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office



More About ARA MELVINA LEE:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO



More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are:

                            i.        WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b.
May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source:
Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m.
CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO
(Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956,
www.sos.mo.gov.).



More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO

Occupation: Policeman



                            ii.        CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt.
1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source:
Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b.
January
26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO.



More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household

Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware



More About SUDIE E. HARVISON:

Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO





Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:

                            iii.        MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July
1894.

2.        iv.        ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson
Co., MO.

                            v.        WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902.

                            vi.        LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905.





Generation No. 2



2. ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922. She was born Abt.
1904.



More About ELMER R. SIEVERS:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are:

                            i.        RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924.

                            ii.        GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.

iii. DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929.



On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I even  have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
Sievers who lived in  House Springs, Mo.


Hi Sandy

Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That
means  the
double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb
are
brothers.

So could you please open your box again and give us what you have
about  him?
At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in
the  1870
census, surely his name is misspelled.

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Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 18:40:08
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Bob,

I see your are from Kirksville, Mo. How close are you to Columbia,Mo. The reason I ask is because in my search on Gottlieb I found out he was a Mason. So I contacted the Fenton Lodge and spoke with Mr. Fetters. He was VERY helpful. He told me that Gottlieb received his 1st Degree on 2May1885, 2nd Degree on 30 May1885 and 3rd on 27Jun1885. He went on to be the Master Mason in 1892,1896,1897,1903,1905 & 1907. Then I contacted the head Lodge in MO. they confirmed but would not let me where in Germany Gottlieb was from. So, I called Mr. Fetters back and asked him what he thought. He said," All I can say is when a petitioner wants to join he has to read a "letter of intent. There should be a record of Gottlieb Sievers". I spoke with him June 2007, he said The Masons were opening a library in Columbia and Gottlieb's info should be there. What do you think??? Everyone tells me I am crazy to "mess around" with the Masons. I just wanted to know WHERE in Germany.

Blessings & Thanks again

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Robert Behnen wrote:

Sandy,

 If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might
 consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical
 society located in Willershausen.  Here is their website
 http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm

 where you will find an e-mail for the club officers:
 vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de

 It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them
 that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from
 Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have several
resources and would be well connected with local resources to find out.

 Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode
 doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier.
 There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld.

 I would write to them in German and English providing all the
 possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with
 approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able
 to confirm your suspicions.  Since they appear to be full-fledged
 history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who have
helped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the challenge.

 Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think
 your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area.

 Best of luck,

 Bob Behnen
 Kirksville, MO
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Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 18:48:45
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>

Sandy,
   
  Yes, the death certificate is at the secretary of state website but he is
  listed as "Gottliev Sievers".  I erred though - the info on his birthdate may
  have been provided by Mahala or children but she did not sign the death 
  certificate as the informant.
   
  When I said in my last e-mail "write to them in English and German", I meant
  the historical society and not necessarily the Sievers families living in 
  the area - although I guess you could do that but personally I would wait
  until your ancestor's baptismal record was found along with the accompanying
  information in order to help them identify your branch of the family.
   
  I found the following info at the Illinois SOS on-line marriage:
   
  Randolph Co  May 22, 1859   [Blank],  John C.  and Loscher, Mina
   
  His first wife was probably Wilhel(Mine) Amalia.  In the 1860 census she is
  listed as Mina as I recall.
   
  Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you understand the
  distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate and the church record
  (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more informative.
  Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of finding their
  parents listed there which will help further substantiate the connection when
  they look for the baptismal record.
   
  If you follow the notes in my previous e-mail, you should be able to find the
  passenger list record on ancestry.  In fact, I will e-mail you a copy directly. 
  Sorry to hear about your experience with the Hamburg Passenger Lists.  They 
  are a bit tricky to understand how they organized them and even harder to read.
   
  Okay, now that you are headed in the right direction - enjoy!
   
  Bob Behnen
  Kirksville, MO

Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 18:52:43
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>

Robert Behnen schrieb:
Sandy,
If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might
  consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical
society located in Willershausen. Here is their website http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm where you will find an e-mail for the club officers: vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them
  that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from
  Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have several
resources and would be well connected with local resources to find out. Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode
  doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier.
  There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld.
I would write to them in German and English providing all the
  possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with
  approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able
to confirm your suspicions. Since they appear to be full-fledged history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who have
  helped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the challenge.
Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think
  your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area.
Sorry

but the
Willershausen Heimatverein is the wrong address. I would try the Dögerode Heimatverein.
Heimatverein Dögerode
c/o Peter Mutschall  	
Auetalstr. 67
37589 Kalefeld

Here is the link to the official web page <http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp> Another interessting link shows the web page of the "Heimatfreunde Altes Amt" <http://www.heimatfreunde-altes-amt.de/> follow the link to Dögerode.
Dögerode is part of the Kalefeld parish.


Heinz
P.S. I grew up in Westerhof 5 km away from Dögerode.
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[HN] OELFFEN - 1654-1735, PASTOR - TÜRKENKRIEG - ERFAHRUNGSBERICHT

Date: 2008/01/08 18:53:22
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

ich wünsche allen ein genealogisch turbulentes neues Jahr.

Nach dem Motte: "ein steter Tropfen höhlt den Stein" wiederhole ich eine Anfrage:

In der Zeitung "Zwischen Elbe und Weser" 9/1935 wird folgender Artikel  veröffentlicht:

Regimentschirurgus Johann Friedrich Jakob Erythropel, der erste Arzt in Basbeck  (Lebenslauf des genannten)

In einer Fußnote Nr. 9 steht:

Über den Pastor Oelfen, der als Feldprediger des hannoverschen Heeres mit in den Türkenkrieg zog, und über diesen Türkenkrieg selbst berichtet, berichtet "Niedersachsen", 1911, Nr 2, ausführlich.

DIESE ANGABE IST FALSCH! Dort ist der Bericht nicht zu finden.

Hat jemand Kenntnisse über diesen Bericht des Pastors Oelfen?

Vielen positiven Hinweisen entgegensehend
grüßt Euch dankend

Klaus (Riecken)

www.Riecken-online.de

IMMER AUF DER SUCHE NACH LINKS SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN BETREFFEND



Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)

Date: 2008/01/08 18:56:15
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

All Bremen ship records are onlie. The others are lost by fire

Bernd

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)


Hi Joel,

Yes, this is a great day!! And, many thanks to all whom stepped up to
help me. Thank You All !!!
Do you think I will ever find any ship records out of Breman? Or is it
true that they are gone by fire.

Blessings & lots of Joy

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

Sandy,

As active as Gottlieb was you should be able to
find an obituary on him, if you haven't already,
his town of birth might be given there.  Also
check the county history if you haven't already.

I just read down my emails and see that Bob
appears to have found your town.  All of my
families traveled out of Bremen so I didn't even
think to look at the Hamburg lists.

Joel


At 10:43 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Hi Joel,

This is amazing!! First you find Heinrich G. Sievers in 1860 in
Ruma........which I could not. THEN, you find Gottlieb in 1870 . How
did you do it?? I did have 1880, but have not put it in my computer
yet. So, what do you think after the information you have seen so
far?
Do you think they really could have came fron Hanover?  Every one in
Ruma, Il. told me the story that two brothers came over from
Hannover,
Germany. First the oldest (mine) then his brother Gottlieb. I do have
alot more on Gottlieb because he made his presence more noticable in
MO. I know he was a coffin maker (because of his newspaper ad) , a
blacksmith, Justice of the Peace ( in 1906) , owned a hotel, was the
postmaster(1896 & 1915-1928) for many years in House Springs,Mo. and
was a "Master Mason" in Fenton,Mo.  I have even tried to track down
info on Gottlieb's 2 sons from 1st wife. I did find them in St.Louis,
Mo and wrote to the police history library. They sent me a picture of
him in uniform. But, neither son Charles or William had children.
They
got married...but no children. I found one of their distant cousins
in
a nursing home. She and I write alot, but she said her dad really did
try to keep in touch with the boys but when Gottlieb remarried they
hardly ever came back to visit. i have a copy of his will, it doesnt
say a thing of where he was born. Also, both wedding lic., still
nothing. Where should I turn to now?

Blessings & Joy
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

Sandy,

You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below.

1870 Federal Census:  Big River, Jefferson County, MO
Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany
Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO
Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith
(Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel
certain this is your Sievers, note he is a
Blacksmith)  It might be worth checking out Henry
Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps
Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith.

1880 Federal Census:  Meramec, Jefferson County, MO
Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith
Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO
Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO
Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO

Hope these help.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:
Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS





Generation No. 1



1.  GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany,
and
died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (1) ARA
MELVINA
LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of
L.H. LEE.  She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in
Jefferson Co., MO.  He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893
in
Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY).
She
was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co.,
MO.



Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

BORUSSIA (1)

The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co,
Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were -
length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts,
iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was
accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers.
Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British
government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her
first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from
Hamburg
on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with
compound
engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies
service.
In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started
sailings
between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool
for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd
December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by
N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch
- 22
October 1997]







More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO

Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO

Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard
Borussia

Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper

Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office



More About ARA MELVINA LEE:

Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO



More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are:

                            i.        WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b.
May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source:
Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956,
www.sos.mo.gov.); m.
CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO
(Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956,
www.sos.mo.gov.).



More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO

Occupation: Policeman



                            ii.        CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt.
1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source:
Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b.
January
26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO.



More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS:

Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO

Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in
household

Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household

Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware



More About SUDIE E. HARVISON:

Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO





Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:

                            iii.        MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July
1894.

2.        iv.        ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson
Co., MO.

                            v.        WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902.

                            vi.        LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905.





Generation No. 2



2.  ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in
Jefferson
Co., MO.  He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922.  She was born
Abt.
1904.



More About ELMER R. SIEVERS:

Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO



Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are:

                            i.        RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924.

                            ii.        GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.

                            iii.        DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b.
1929.



On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I even  have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
Sievers who lived in  House Springs, Mo.


Hi Sandy

Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That
means  the
double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and
Gottlieb
are
brothers.

So could you please open your box again and give us what you have
about  him?
At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing
in
the  1870
census, surely his name is misspelled.

Armin






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Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 19:07:25
From: Rodney Schute <rodneymaur(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Sandy, 
I am near Columbia, MO.
I too am searching for ancestors from Hanover area in Germany.
Let me know if I can do anything for you in Columbia, MO.
I speak and understand a small amount of Deutsch.


Rodney  Schulte 
Lohman, MO


-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:37 AM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers

Hi Bob,

I see your are from Kirksville, Mo. How close are you to Columbia,Mo.  
The reason I ask is because in my search on Gottlieb I found out he  
was a Mason. So I contacted the Fenton Lodge and spoke with Mr.  
Fetters. He was VERY helpful. He told me that Gottlieb received his  
1st Degree on 2May1885, 2nd Degree on 30 May1885 and 3rd on 27Jun1885.  
He went on to be the Master Mason in 1892,1896,1897,1903,1905 & 1907.  
Then I contacted the head Lodge in MO. they confirmed but would not  
let me where in Germany Gottlieb was from. So, I called Mr. Fetters  
back and asked him what he thought. He said," All I can say is when a  
petitioner wants to join he has to read a "letter of intent. There  
should be a record of Gottlieb Sievers". I spoke with him June 2007,  
he said The Masons were opening a library in Columbia and Gottlieb's  
info should be there.
What do you think??? Everyone tells me I am crazy to "mess around"  
with the Masons. I just wanted to know WHERE in Germany.

Blessings & Thanks again

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Robert Behnen wrote:

> Sandy,
>
>  If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might
>  consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical
>  society located in Willershausen.  Here is their website
>  http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm
>
>  where you will find an e-mail for the club officers:
>  vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de
>
>  It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them
>  that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from
>  Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have several
>  resources and would be well connected with local resources to find  
> out.
>
>  Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode
>  doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier.
>  There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld.
>
>  I would write to them in German and English providing all the
>  possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with
>  approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able
>  to confirm your suspicions.  Since they appear to be full-fledged
>  history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who have
>  helped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the  
> challenge.
>
>  Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think
>  your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area.
>
>  Best of luck,
>
>  Bob Behnen
>  Kirksville, MO
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Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 19:16:36
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>

Sandy,
   
  you wrote:
  
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> 
  Hi Bob,

"...The Masons were opening a library in Columbia and Gottlieb's info should be there.
What do you think??? Everyone tells me I am crazy to "mess around" with the Masons. I just wanted to know WHERE in Germany."
   
  You didn't know about the secret national treasure that Thomas Jefferson gave to Lewis & Clark to bury somewhere along the banks of the Missouri river during their famous exploration with the corps of discovery in 1804?  It is rumored that they buried this awesome national treasure somewhere near Columbia, MO and that years later (late 1890's) a master mason from Missouri who although he came from humble beginnings as a butcher originally from Doegerode in the Kingdom of Hannover and was then living in House Springs, MO, was tasked with moving the treasure for fear that Nicolas Cage's ancestors were close to stealing it from the protection of the masons.  Thus, it doesn't surprise me a bit that they would not divulge Gottlieb Siever's town of origin.  ... in fact, I only know the above because I am writing the script for National Treasure III - The Butcher of Doegerode!  They offered me the role of Gottlieb - but I turned them down for personal security reasons.  ;o)
   
  Okay, sorry - I couldn't resist!  Seriously, I am not familiar with the Masons, the Columbia library or their records.  If you want to find out what they have and if they are willing to share that info - I would think having a fellow mason - the higher ranking the better, to pursue this line for you would be your best approach. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time on that lead at present since you have a much hotter trail now.
   
  All my best,
   
  Bob Behnen
  

Blessings & Thanks again



sandy sievers cooper  

Re: [HN] Sievers

Date: 2008/01/08 20:04:18
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Rodney,

Thanks so much for your offer. Right now I am so excited. After, almost 10 years of digging and hitting BIG brick walls. these wonderful people, I'd call friends, have given me Great hope! Once I get all my ducks in a row I just might email you for some help. Because it is hard searching Il/ MO. while living in Texas.

Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Rodney Schute wrote:

Hi Sandy,
I am near Columbia, MO.
I too am searching for ancestors from Hanover area in Germany.
Let me know if I can do anything for you in Columbia, MO.
I speak and understand a small amount of Deutsch.


Rodney  Schulte
Lohman, MO


-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:37 AM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers

Hi Bob,

I see your are from Kirksville, Mo. How close are you to Columbia,Mo.
The reason I ask is because in my search on Gottlieb I found out he
was a Mason. So I contacted the Fenton Lodge and spoke with Mr.
Fetters. He was VERY helpful. He told me that Gottlieb received his
1st Degree on 2May1885, 2nd Degree on 30 May1885 and 3rd on 27Jun1885.
He went on to be the Master Mason in 1892,1896,1897,1903,1905 & 1907.
Then I contacted the head Lodge in MO. they confirmed but would not
let me where in Germany Gottlieb was from. So, I called Mr. Fetters
back and asked him what he thought. He said," All I can say is when a
petitioner wants to join he has to read a "letter of intent. There
should be a record of Gottlieb Sievers". I spoke with him June 2007,
he said The Masons were opening a library in Columbia and Gottlieb's
info should be there.
What do you think??? Everyone tells me I am crazy to "mess around"
with the Masons. I just wanted to know WHERE in Germany.

Blessings & Thanks again

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Robert Behnen wrote:

Sandy,

If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might
consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical
society located in Willershausen.  Here is their website
http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm

where you will find an e-mail for the club officers:
vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de

It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them
that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from
Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have several
resources and would be well connected with local resources to find
out.

Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode
doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier.
There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld.

I would write to them in German and English providing all the
possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with
approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able
to confirm your suspicions.  Since they appear to be full-fledged
history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who have
helped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the
challenge.

Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think
your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area.

Best of luck,

Bob Behnen
Kirksville, MO
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Re: [HN] Bremen Ship Records

Date: 2008/01/08 20:21:39
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Do you  think I will ever find any ship records out of Breman? Or is it  
true  that they are gone by fire.



Hi Sandy
 
The truth is much harder. I hope my english is good enough to explain that  
worst case in history of genealogy.
 
The reason why there are no more records in Bremen is easy. In the early  
20th century, they had not enough space to store all those datas and of course  
that time they had no microfilms. And the people who have left Germany .... 
well  our German Emperor was lucky about each and every rebell who has left 
Germany  cause many of them have been unlucky in Germany not enough food no work 
not  content with the German Government. Nobody of our officicials cried a tear 
for  those people leaving our country. 
 
And so they decided to make more space and THEY burned the shiplists to get  
space for new ones. This is no accident as for example the 1890 census who is  
nearly completely burned.
 
So no hope to find anything in Bremen before 1920 !
 
But we have the American Shiplists thank god, even when they are  sometimes a 
little bit confusing !
 
Armin
 



   

Re: [HN] Bremen Ship Records

Date: 2008/01/08 20:32:08
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Armin,

Thanks a bunches for clearing that up. So, I will have to always refer to Gottlieb's Records, I guess!!

Much Blessings
sandy sievers cooper


On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:21 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Do you think I will ever find any ship records out of Breman? Or is it
true  that they are gone by fire.



Hi Sandy

The truth is much harder. I hope my english is good enough to explain that
worst case in history of genealogy.

The reason why there are no more records in Bremen is easy. In the early 20th century, they had not enough space to store all those datas and of course that time they had no microfilms. And the people who have left Germany .... well our German Emperor was lucky about each and every rebell who has left Germany cause many of them have been unlucky in Germany not enough food no work not content with the German Government. Nobody of our officicials cried a tear
for  those people leaving our country.

And so they decided to make more space and THEY burned the shiplists to get space for new ones. This is no accident as for example the 1890 census who is
nearly completely burned.

So no hope to find anything in Bremen before 1920 !

But we have the American Shiplists thank god, even when they are sometimes a
little bit confusing !

Armin





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Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records

Date: 2008/01/08 20:41:56
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you understand  the
distinction between the civil (state) marriage  license/certificate and the 
church record
(sacremental record) - the  church records are typically much more 
informative.
Since there are  so many marriages, there is a good chance of finding their
parents  listed there which will help further substantiate the connection  
when
they look for the baptismal record.



Hi Sandy 
 
Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can find  
infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records AFTER 1875 are 
 still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This may 
differ  from town to town.
 
1. Possibility
 
You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help to  write 
the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can print  it 
out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of your family  
perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one paper  
!!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed someone to  
read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, then you  
have a piece of paper and you cant read not one  single word.
 
2. Possibility
 
You try to get a membership like Bob told you.
 
3. Possibility
 
You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of  Hannover. 
I have a Historian which is working for me
 
_http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/) 
 
This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is only a  
SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely others in  
Hannover.
 
Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who is  
making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the church "has no  
time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very different in  
their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive but more  
effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can have the  
exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in genealogy  
should find the datas.
 
Good luck
 
 
 



   

Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records

Date: 2008/01/08 20:59:43
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

hi,

I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town. Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to the church for records and just pay someone here to translate?

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you understand the distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate and the
church record
(sacremental record) - the  church records are typically much more
informative.
Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of finding their parents listed there which will help further substantiate the connection
when
they look for the baptismal record.



Hi Sandy

Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can find infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records AFTER 1875 are still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This may
differ  from town to town.

1. Possibility

You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help to write the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can print it out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of your family perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one paper !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed someone to read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, then you
have a piece of paper and you cant read not one  single word.

2. Possibility

You try to get a membership like Bob told you.

3. Possibility

You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of Hannover.
I have a Historian which is working for me

_http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/)

This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is only a SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely others in
Hannover.

Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who is making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the church "has no time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very different in their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive but more effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can have the exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in genealogy
should find the datas.

Good luck







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Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records

Date: 2008/01/08 21:26:13
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Sandy,

How much German research do you have to do? Is this your only line or do have several others? Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all Germanic speakers. I've not had any formal German language training, but I picked up a German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can now get through most church records that I come across. Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin which are very helpful for early records. Handwriting is always an issue, but that is a problem in any language. When I've come across something that I couldn't translate clearly then I've usually been able to find a kind person on one of the lists who translates for me.

Of course you might get very lucky like I did on my one family from Hessen. The man I made contact with in Germany was not only fluent in English, but he had written a book on the migration of families in that area to America. He was able to send me my family lines from that area and after much discussion and comparison of notes we actually found we had a common ancestor back around 1600.

Good luck!

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
hi,

I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are
in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her
about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.
Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to
the church for records and just pay someone here to translate?

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:

>
> In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
> schreibt
> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
>
> Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you
> understand  the
> distinction between the civil (state) marriage  license/certificate
> and the
> church record
> (sacremental record) - the  church records are typically much more
> informative.
> Since there are  so many marriages, there is a good chance of
> finding their
> parents  listed there which will help further substantiate the
> connection
> when
> they look for the baptismal record.
>
>
>
> Hi Sandy
>
> Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can
> find
> infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records
> AFTER 1875 are
> still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This
> may
> differ  from town to town.
>
> 1. Possibility
>
> You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help
> to  write
> the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can
> print  it
> out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of
> your family
> perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one
> paper
> !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed
> someone to
> read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read,
> then you
> have a piece of paper and you cant read not one  single word.
>
> 2. Possibility
>
> You try to get a membership like Bob told you.
>
> 3. Possibility
>
> You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of
> Hannover.
> I have a Historian which is working for me
>
> _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/)
>
> This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is
> only a
> SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely
> others in
> Hannover.
>
> Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who
> is
> making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the
> church "has no
> time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very
> different in
> their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive
> but more
> effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can
> have the
> exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in
> genealogy
> should find the datas.
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________
>
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[HN] Wer kennt - Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg

Date: 2008/01/08 21:39:49
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>

Ein Hallo an alle Listen-Mitglieder,

ich habe mich eben gerade angemeldet, und benötige gleich einmal Hilfe.

Wer von Euch kannte meine Großtante ?

Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg. Sie ist am 27.02.1975 in Rotenburg (Wümme)
verstorben.

Viele Grüße
Bärbel




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Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records

Date: 2008/01/08 21:42:02
From: Gerald Bailey <g.bailey3308(a)sbcglobal.net>

HI- My name is Gerald Bailey and I am doing the family history of the Schroeder Family that can for Hannover, Germany in about 1879-1881. The Schroeder name is for my mother, but I do not know if Hannover is a town or Kingtom. I am looking for information on Fred and Welhelm Schroeder who are brothers that Came to SE MN, Fillmore County, and the Chatfield and Fountain area. They came to this area because of family in the area on their mothers side of the family.Where might one find information on where in Hannover they came from and the ship they came on, etc. Thanks for any help. Gerry. Can not read German.

"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote:  Sandy,

How much German research do you have to do? Is 
this your only line or do have several 
others? Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes 
back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all 
Germanic speakers. I've not had any formal 
German language training, but I picked up a 
German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I 
Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can 
now get through most church records that I come 
across. Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin 
which are very helpful for early 
records. Handwriting is always an issue, but 
that is a problem in any language. When I've 
come across something that I couldn't translate 
clearly then I've usually been able to find a 
kind person on one of the lists who translates for me.

Of course you might get very lucky like I did on 
my one family from Hessen. The man I made 
contact with in Germany was not only fluent in 
English, but he had written a book on the 
migration of families in that area to 
America. He was able to send me my family lines 
from that area and after much discussion and 
comparison of notes we actually found we had a 
common ancestor back around 1600.

Good luck!

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
>hi,
>
>I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are
>in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her
>about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.
>Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to
>the church for records and just pay someone here to translate?
>
>blessings
>sandy sievers cooper
>On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
> > schreibt
> > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
> >
> > Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you
> > understand the
> > distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate
> > and the
> > church record
> > (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more
> > informative.
> > Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of
> > finding their
> > parents listed there which will help further substantiate the
> > connection
> > when
> > they look for the baptismal record.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Sandy
> >
> > Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can
> > find
> > infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records
> > AFTER 1875 are
> > still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This
> > may
> > differ from town to town.
> >
> > 1. Possibility
> >
> > You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help
> > to write
> > the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can
> > print it
> > out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of
> > your family
> > perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one
> > paper
> > !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed
> > someone to
> > read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read,
> > then you
> > have a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word.
> >
> > 2. Possibility
> >
> > You try to get a membership like Bob told you.
> >
> > 3. Possibility
> >
> > You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of
> > Hannover.
> > I have a Historian which is working for me
> >
> > _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/)
> >
> > This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is
> > only a
> > SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely
> > others in
> > Hannover.
> >
> > Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who
> > is
> > making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the
> > church "has no
> > time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very
> > different in
> > their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive
> > but more
> > effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can
> > have the
> > exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in
> > genealogy
> > should find the datas.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> > Hannover-L mailing list
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Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records

Date: 2008/01/08 21:59:09
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi there Joel,

Oh no! in my family I have Stamm, Kueker, Liefer, Buescher, Meyerhoff, and Tockstein. That's just to name a few. But now that I have an area in Germany to seach I dont want to let any grass grow under my feet. haha! I really would like to find the a church I can search for the Sievers Family. A lady in Ruma, Il. did alot of research many years ago and even wrote to some churches in Germany. She found out the Liefer Family was from Borstel, and the Kueker Family was from Neustadt, am Rubenberge. Do you know how close that is to Dogerode Germany. I may have to buy some "deciphering books" myself.

Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

Sandy,

How much German research do you have to do?  Is
this your only line or do have several
others?  Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes
back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all
Germanic speakers.   I've not had any formal
German language training, but I picked up a
German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I
Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can
now get through most  church records that I come
across.  Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin
which are very helpful for early
records.  Handwriting is always an issue, but
that is a problem in any language.  When I've
come across something that I couldn't translate
clearly then I've usually been able to find a
kind person on one of the lists who translates for me.

Of course you might get very lucky like I did on
my one family from Hessen.  The man I made
contact with in Germany was not only fluent in
English, but he had written a book on the
migration of families in that area to
America.  He was able to send me my family lines
from that area and after much discussion and
comparison of notes we actually found we had a
common ancestor back around 1600.

Good luck!

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
hi,

I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are
in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her
about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.
Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to
the church for records and just pay someone here to translate?

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you
understand  the
distinction between the civil (state) marriage  license/certificate
and the
church record
(sacremental record) - the  church records are typically much more
informative.
Since there are  so many marriages, there is a good chance of
finding their
parents  listed there which will help further substantiate the
connection
when
they look for the baptismal record.



Hi Sandy

Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can
find
infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records
AFTER 1875 are
still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This
may
differ  from town to town.

1. Possibility

You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help
to  write
the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can
print  it
out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of
your family
perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one
paper
!!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed
someone to
read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read,
then you
have a piece of paper and you cant read not one  single word.

2. Possibility

You try to get a membership like Bob told you.

3. Possibility

You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of
Hannover.
I have a Historian which is working for me

_http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/)

This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is
only a
SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely
others in
Hannover.

Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who
is
making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the
church "has no
time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very
different in
their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive
but more
effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can
have the
exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in
genealogy
should find the datas.

Good luck







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[HN] Menke - My Brick Wall

Date: 2008/01/08 22:04:47
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Well since Sandy had such good luck, I thought I'd present my brick wall and see if anyone can help me.

Here is the story as handed down by my grandmother:
Mr. Menke (given name unknown) and his wife came to the United States around 1848 along with their daughters Elizabeth and Lizetta. They were from Osnabruck or the surrounding area. Shortly after their arrival a son, Louis, was born and shortly after that both parents died. Elizabeth was then taken in by a Lutheran Minister and Lizetta and Louis were taken in my their Aunt Rust. Elizabeth and Lizetta each married and settled in Indianapolis where they lived out their lives. Louis joined the Union Army during the American Civil War. He died during the war and was buried in Virginia.

Now here is what I think I know:
Mr. Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and settled in Jackson County, Indiana. Mr. Menke either died on the voyage or very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in Germany). Mr. Menke and Mary's known children are as follows:

1. Christian Menke (Jan 1837-14 Aug 1899) married Louisa Henke and lived his adult life in Dubois County, IN 2. Elisabeth Menke (13 Oct 1841 - 7 May 1934) married Frederick Speier and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN 3. Lizetta Menke (1 Nov 1842 - 2 Apr 1905) married Karl "Charles" Otto and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN
4.  Louis Menke, born abt 1845. no other information.
5.  Mary Menke, born abt 1848, no other information

By 1860 the children were scattered with Christian and Louis still in Jackson County, IN (though not together), Elisabeth married and living in Indianapolis, and no sign of Lizetta, Mary or their mother. In 1861 Christian moved to Dubois County, IN where he lived the rest of his life. Louis drops from sight after the 1860 Census, a search of military records hasn't turned him up as of yet. The spelling of the last name varies and it's possible he went by a different given name. Although I've not found Lizetta in 1860 she married in Indianapolis in 1862 where she remained the rest of her life. I've identified Aunt Rust as Lizetta (or Henrietta) Rust who is most likely the sister of their mother Mary. Lizetta Rust (c1810-19 Aug 1894) was married to Frederick Rust (c1811-c1875) and they were living in Jackson County, IN in 1850 and 1860. The moved to Dubois County, IN by 1870 and Lizetta Rust (widow) was living in the household of her niece Lizetta (who had married Karl Otto) in 1880. A check of probate records in Jackson County, IN did not turn up anything on Mr. Menke or his wife Mary. The family was of the Lutheran faith in the United States. A check of church records hasn't turned up any town name.

Thank you,

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records

Date: 2008/01/08 22:13:00
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Sandy,

Roughly....
Dögerode is 60miles SSE of Neustadt am Rübenberge.
Neustadt am Rübenberge is 25 miles SE of Borstel

Joel



At 03:59 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
Hi there Joel,

Oh no! in my family I have Stamm, Kueker, Liefer, Buescher, Meyerhoff,
and Tockstein. That's just to name a few. But now that I have an area
in Germany to seach I dont want to let any grass grow under my feet.
haha!  I really would like to find the a church  I can search for the
Sievers Family. A lady in Ruma, Il. did alot of research many years
ago and even wrote to some churches in Germany. She found out the
Liefer Family was from Borstel, and the Kueker Family was from
Neustadt, am Rubenberge. Do you know how close that is to Dogerode
Germany. I may have to buy some "deciphering books" myself.

Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:

> Sandy,
>
> How much German research do you have to do?  Is
> this your only line or do have several
> others?  Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes
> back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all
> Germanic speakers.   I've not had any formal
> German language training, but I picked up a
> German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I
> Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can
> now get through most  church records that I come
> across.  Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin
> which are very helpful for early
> records.  Handwriting is always an issue, but
> that is a problem in any language.  When I've
> come across something that I couldn't translate
> clearly then I've usually been able to find a
> kind person on one of the lists who translates for me.
>
> Of course you might get very lucky like I did on
> my one family from Hessen.  The man I made
> contact with in Germany was not only fluent in
> English, but he had written a book on the
> migration of families in that area to
> America.  He was able to send me my family lines
> from that area and after much discussion and
> comparison of notes we actually found we had a
> common ancestor back around 1600.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Joel
> http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
>
>
> At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are
>> in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her
>> about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a
>> town.
>> Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to
>> the church for records and just pay someone here to translate?
>>
>> blessings
>> sandy sievers cooper
>> On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
>>> schreibt
>>> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
>>>
>>> Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you
>>> understand  the
>>> distinction between the civil (state) marriage  license/certificate
>>> and the
>>> church record
>>> (sacremental record) - the  church records are typically much more
>>> informative.
>>> Since there are  so many marriages, there is a good chance of
>>> finding their
>>> parents  listed there which will help further substantiate the
>>> connection
>>> when
>>> they look for the baptismal record.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sandy
>>>
>>> Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can
>>> find
>>> infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records
>>> AFTER 1875 are
>>> still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This
>>> may
>>> differ  from town to town.
>>>
>>> 1. Possibility
>>>
>>> You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help
>>> to  write
>>> the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can
>>> print  it
>>> out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of
>>> your family
>>> perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one
>>> paper
>>> !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed
>>> someone to
>>> read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read,
>>> then you
>>> have a piece of paper and you cant read not one  single word.
>>>
>>> 2. Possibility
>>>
>>> You try to get a membership like Bob told you.
>>>
>>> 3. Possibility
>>>
>>> You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of
>>> Hannover.
>>> I have a Historian which is working for me
>>>
>>> _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/)
>>>
>>> This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is
>>> only a
>>> SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely
>>> others in
>>> Hannover.
>>>
>>> Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who
>>> is
>>> making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the
>>> church "has no
>>> time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very
>>> different in
>>> their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive
>>> but more
>>> effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can
>>> have the
>>> exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in
>>> genealogy
>>> should find the datas.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Hannover-L mailing list
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>>
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Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records

Date: 2008/01/08 22:15:58
From: dknoepfel <dknoepfel(a)aol.com>

Hi Joel



I have been following the Sievers saga.  I am interested in the person in Hessen you were in contact with.  I have located some of my Knopfel and related families in Hessen.   They lived in the area south of Kassel  (villages of Lendorf, Singlis, Gombeth and several others).  
Thanks,
Don Knoepfel


-----Original Message-----
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records




Sandy,
How much German research do you have to do?  Is 
his your only line or do have several 
thers?  Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes 
ack to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all 
ermanic speakers.   I've not had any formal 
erman language training, but I picked up a 
erman-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I 
an You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can 
ow get through most  church records that I come 
cross.  Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin 
hich are very helpful for early 
ecords.  Handwriting is always an issue, but 
hat is a problem in any language.  When I've 
ome across something that I couldn't translate 
learly then I've usually been able to find a 
ind person on one of the lists who translates for me.
Of course you might get very lucky like I did on 
y one family from Hessen.  The man I made 
ontact with in Germany was not only fluent in 
nglish, but he had written a book on the 
igration of families in that area to 
merica.  He was able to send me my family lines 
rom that area and after much discussion and 
omparison of notes we actually found we had a 
ommon ancestor back around 1600.
Good luck!
Joel
ttp://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

t 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
hi,

I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are
in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her
about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.
Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to
the church for records and just pay someone here to translate?

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:

 >
 > In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
 > schreibt
 > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
 >
 > Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you
 > understand  the
 > distinction between the civil (state) marriage  license/certificate
 > and the
 > church record
 > (sacremental record) - the  church records are typically much more
 > informative.
 > Since there are  so many marriages, there is a good chance of
 > finding their
 > parents  listed there which will help further substantiate the
 > connection
 > when
 > they look for the baptismal record.
 >
 >
 >
 > Hi Sandy
 >
 > Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can
 > find
 > infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records
 > AFTER 1875 are
 > still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This
 > may
 > differ  from town to town.
 >
 > 1. Possibility
 >
 > You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help
 > to  write
 > the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can
 > print  it
 > out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of
 > your family
 > perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one
 > paper
 > !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed
 > someone to
 > read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read,
 > then you
 > have a piece of paper and you cant read not one  single word.
 >
 > 2. Possibility
 >
 > You try to get a membership like Bob told you.
 >
 > 3. Possibility
 >
 > You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of
 > Hannover.
 > I have a Historian which is working for me
 >
 > _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/)
 >
 > This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is
 > only a
 > SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely
 > others in
 > Hannover.
 >
 > Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who
 > is
 > making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the
 > church "has no
 > time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very
 > different in
 > their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive
 > but more
 > effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can
 > have the
 > exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in
 > genealogy
 > should find the datas.
 >
 > Good luck
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
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Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records

Date: 2008/01/08 22:29:41
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Hello Joel
You have just nearly ruined my day. I have much to do and along comes this wonderful site you included in your last posting. Absolutely great. Thank you for sharing this with us. 

I have a few old portraits which I cherish but not nearly the number you have. I can only imagine the total when the identified ones are included. I have a couple of tin types that are not  identified, too difficult to write on the back. I have a reasonable idea as to who is in the picture but no way to confirm it. I have asked a couple of sources for the name of a photography historian who may be able to shed some light as to the time frame it was taken. I live in Chesterfield Mo and eveyone sends me to Creve Coeur Photo. No help. Do you know of a person who has this talent either professionally or as a hobby? If so drop me a note.

I once had Dr. Moehle do some work for me and was well satisfied even though the search did not turn up the right Burgdorf. I have a couple of new leads and I may have her look some more.

Now, I'll go back and look some more at your pictures.

Incidentally I am very lucky to have what I do have. After my brother died in New Orleans his wife found them in their attic and passed them on to me. That was in May and in September Hurricane Katrina totally destroyed her home. She fortunately fled to Mississippi where she now resides.

Max









---- "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote: 
> Sandy,
> 
> How much German research do you have to do?  Is 
> this your only line or do have several 
> others?  Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes 
> back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all 
> Germanic speakers.   I've not had any formal 
> German language training, but I picked up a 
> German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I 
> Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can 
> now get through most  church records that I come 
> across.  Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin 
> which are very helpful for early 
> records.  Handwriting is always an issue, but 
> that is a problem in any language.  When I've 
> come across something that I couldn't translate 
> clearly then I've usually been able to find a 
> kind person on one of the lists who translates for me.
> 
> Of course you might get very lucky like I did on 
> my one family from Hessen.  The man I made 
> contact with in Germany was not only fluent in 
> English, but he had written a book on the 
> migration of families in that area to 
> America.  He was able to send me my family lines 
> from that area and after much discussion and 
> comparison of notes we actually found we had a 
> common ancestor back around 1600.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Joel
> http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
> 
> 
> At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
> >hi,
> >
> >I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are
> >in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her
> >about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.
> >Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to
> >the church for records and just pay someone here to translate?
> >
> >blessings
> >sandy sievers cooper
> >On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
> > > schreibt
> > > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
> > >
> > > Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you
> > > understand  the
> > > distinction between the civil (state) marriage  license/certificate
> > > and the
> > > church record
> > > (sacremental record) - the  church records are typically much more
> > > informative.
> > > Since there are  so many marriages, there is a good chance of
> > > finding their
> > > parents  listed there which will help further substantiate the
> > > connection
> > > when
> > > they look for the baptismal record.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Sandy
> > >
> > > Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can
> > > find
> > > infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records
> > > AFTER 1875 are
> > > still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This
> > > may
> > > differ  from town to town.
> > >
> > > 1. Possibility
> > >
> > > You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help
> > > to  write
> > > the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can
> > > print  it
> > > out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of
> > > your family
> > > perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one
> > > paper
> > > !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed
> > > someone to
> > > read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read,
> > > then you
> > > have a piece of paper and you cant read not one  single word.
> > >
> > > 2. Possibility
> > >
> > > You try to get a membership like Bob told you.
> > >
> > > 3. Possibility
> > >
> > > You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of
> > > Hannover.
> > > I have a Historian which is working for me
> > >
> > > _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/)
> > >
> > > This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is
> > > only a
> > > SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely
> > > others in
> > > Hannover.
> > >
> > > Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who
> > > is
> > > making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the
> > > church "has no
> > > time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very
> > > different in
> > > their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive
> > > but more
> > > effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can
> > > have the
> > > exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in
> > > genealogy
> > > should find the datas.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ______________________________________________
> > >
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[HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/08 23:04:11
From: james danielsen <JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,



Have tried the book - 



"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports", Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38 1988.



My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records from American sources.



There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the website handy, but a google search might help.



Jim Danielsen

Stoughton, WI

Re: [HN] Menke - My Brick Wall

Date: 2008/01/08 23:09:52
From: Anke E. Waldmann <anke(a)die-waldmanns.de>

Hi Joel,

I'm searching in the area of the parish of Schledehausen (and surrounding
area), county of Osnabrück. The surnames Menke, Henke and Rust are all known
in that area. Unfortunalety none of that names are part of my ancestors so I
won't be of much help for you.

Looking through my the dates I've, I found the following baptism entry in
the parish of Schledehausen:

Born Nov 14, 1811, name: Johann Friedrich, parents: Johann Adam Rust and
Anne Marie Knackwefel of Wulften, sponsors: Hermann Friedrich Fischer?,
Johann Friedrich Rust and Catharine Engel Kröger.

There's a Henke family in Wulften, too, although I don't have enough
information to tell if there was a Louisa Henke.

The Menkes that I know of are from Niederholsten, parish of Oldendorf, just
at the border to the parish of Schledehausen. But again, I've not enough
information to tell if the family your're looking for is coming from there,
too.

I did a search for Menke at http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de to see what I
can find there. Wow, Menke is a common name.
What about Eberhard Heinrich Menke from Darum, parish of Belm, age 47, who
got the permission to emigrate in 1840 and what to go with his wife, nee
Jürgens, three sons and two daughters?
There's also a Christian Heinrich Menke, born Apr 1834 in the parish of
Oldendorf, got permission in 1852, a brother and a sister are already in the
USA.
There are a lot of other Menkes from the Osnabrück area who got the
permission to emigrate in that database, maybe you should have a look
yourselve.


I hope that this will help you.

Greetings from Germany,
Anke Waldmann

www.die-waldmanns.de
www.grambergen.de



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:02:10 -0500
From: "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Subject: [HN] Menke - My Brick Wall
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
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Well since Sandy had such good luck, I thought I'd present my brick wall and
see if anyone can help me.

Here is the story as handed down by my grandmother:
Mr. Menke (given name unknown) and his wife came to the United States around
1848 along with their daughters Elizabeth and Lizetta.  They were from
Osnabruck or the surrounding area.  Shortly after their arrival a son,
Louis, was born and shortly after that both parents died.  Elizabeth was
then taken in by a Lutheran Minister and Lizetta and Louis were taken in my
their Aunt Rust.  Elizabeth and Lizetta each married and settled in
Indianapolis where they lived out their lives.  Louis joined the Union Army
during the American Civil War.  He died during the war and was buried in
Virginia.

Now here is what I think I know:
Mr. Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and
settled in Jackson County, Indiana.  Mr. Menke either died on the voyage or
very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in Germany).  Mr.
Menke and Mary's known children are as follows:

1.  Christian Menke (Jan 1837-14 Aug 1899) married Louisa Henke and lived
his adult life in Dubois County, IN 2.  Elisabeth Menke (13 Oct 1841 - 7 May
1934) married Frederick Speier and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN
3.  Lizetta Menke (1 Nov 1842 - 2 Apr 1905) married Karl "Charles"
Otto and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN 4.  Louis Menke, born abt
1845. no other information.
5.  Mary Menke, born abt 1848, no other information

By 1860 the children were scattered with Christian and Louis still in
Jackson County, IN (though not together), Elisabeth married and living in
Indianapolis, and no sign of Lizetta, Mary or their mother.  In 1861
Christian moved to Dubois County, IN where he lived the rest of his life.
Louis drops from sight after the 1860 Census, a search of military records
hasn't turned him up as of yet.  The spelling of the last name varies and
it's possible he went by a different given name.  Although I've not found
Lizetta in 1860 she married in Indianapolis in 1862 where she remained the
rest of her life.  I've identified Aunt Rust as Lizetta (or Henrietta) Rust
who is most likely the sister of their mother Mary.  Lizetta Rust
(c1810-19 Aug 1894) was married to Frederick Rust (c1811-c1875) and they
were living in Jackson County, IN in 1850 and 1860.  The moved to Dubois
County, IN by 1870 and Lizetta Rust (widow) was living in the household of
her niece Lizetta (who had married Karl Otto) in 1880.  A check of probate
records in Jackson County, IN did not turn up anything on Mr. Menke or his
wife Mary.  The family was of the Lutheran faith in the United States.  A
check of church records hasn't turned up any town name.

Thank you,

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/



------------------------------




Re: [HN] Sievers church records

Date: 2008/01/08 23:45:14
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 21:01:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I was  and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are  
in  that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her  
about  5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.   
Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to   
the church for records and just pay someone here to  translate?




Hi Sandy
 
Well you have only to ask in the church of Dögerode, if the two Sievers  
brothers are born there. Its only a little town i dont think they have more than  
2 churches each for one confession. I will try to find out.
 
Yes the lady who is working for me is Sylvia and if she told you she cant  
help you without having a town to look for ..... you cant search in the whole  
Kingdom of Hannover but now you have the exact place and the exact date, so a  
prof like she will have the results within a short time.
 
I think when you put in the link i have sent you you will find out how you  
can pay her, she has surely not only one client from the USA.
 
Let me see if i can get the postal adress of the church in Dögerode, is  your 
family Lutheran or catholic? 
Maybe the church is sending you the results not as a original copy perhaps  
you get it as a transcript so you can read it without any help.
 
Or even both a copy and a transcript. let me first see if i can get the  
adress of the church.
 
When we find nothing you can order a genealogist, but it may be worth to  try 
the cheaper version first.
 
Armin



   

Re: [HN] MENKE .... my brick wall (JOEL)

Date: 2008/01/09 00:00:38
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 22:14:22 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Mr.  Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and 
settled  in Jackson County, Indiana.  Mr. Menke either died on the 
voyage or  very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in 
Germany).   Mr. Menke and Mary's known children are as  follows:



Ok Joel
 
I have saved your mail in my Word document and i will try my very best.  When 
i understand your problem correct you are only looking (ONLY LOL) for Mr.  
Menke and his wife is that correct?
 
But unfortunately i will have to wait with my head hunter work till  tuesday, 
cause tomorrow i have the plumber in my house ............ GRRRRRRRRRR  and i 
will have not time for my favorite job searching at ancestry.
 
Armin



   

Re: [HN] Sievers church records

Date: 2008/01/09 00:56:08
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Armin,

Thanks for checking on the church address for me. I see you have plumbing issues.....wish I could help. My sister( from my mother's 2nd marriage) is married to a plumber in Mississippi.

blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:45 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 21:01:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I was  and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are
in  that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her
about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.
Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to
the church for records and just pay someone here to  translate?




Hi Sandy

Well you have only to ask in the church of Dögerode, if the two Sievers brothers are born there. Its only a little town i dont think they have more than
2 churches each for one confession. I will try to find out.

Yes the lady who is working for me is Sylvia and if she told you she cant help you without having a town to look for ..... you cant search in the whole Kingdom of Hannover but now you have the exact place and the exact date, so a
prof like she will have the results within a short time.

I think when you put in the link i have sent you you will find out how you
can pay her, she has surely not only one client from the USA.

Let me see if i can get the postal adress of the church in Dögerode, is your
family Lutheran or catholic?
Maybe the church is sending you the results not as a original copy perhaps
you get it as a transcript so you can read it without any help.

Or even both a copy and a transcript. let me first see if i can get the
adress of the church.

When we find nothing you can order a genealogist, but it may be worth to try
the cheaper version first.

Armin




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Re: [HN] Sievers church records

Date: 2008/01/09 00:59:38
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

sorry..Armin

I did not answer your question. Mother is Catholic and Father( Charles Lee Sievers) is Lutheran. My mother's family won and I was raised Catholic.

Does that make a difference?

Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:45 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:


In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 21:01:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

I was  and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are
in  that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her
about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.
Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to
the church for records and just pay someone here to  translate?




Hi Sandy

Well you have only to ask in the church of Dögerode, if the two Sievers brothers are born there. Its only a little town i dont think they have more than
2 churches each for one confession. I will try to find out.

Yes the lady who is working for me is Sylvia and if she told you she cant help you without having a town to look for ..... you cant search in the whole Kingdom of Hannover but now you have the exact place and the exact date, so a
prof like she will have the results within a short time.

I think when you put in the link i have sent you you will find out how you
can pay her, she has surely not only one client from the USA.

Let me see if i can get the postal adress of the church in Dögerode, is your
family Lutheran or catholic?
Maybe the church is sending you the results not as a original copy perhaps
you get it as a transcript so you can read it without any help.

Or even both a copy and a transcript. let me first see if i can get the
adress of the church.

When we find nothing you can order a genealogist, but it may be worth to try
the cheaper version first.

Armin




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Re: [HN] Menke - My Brick Wall

Date: 2008/01/09 01:07:52
From: PJ V <netkitty(a)hotmail.com>

Hello Joel:
 
 
Here is one I found that might be of some interest.   Try looking up his naturalization record.     If this isn't your Mr. Menke, perhaps he's a relative who had something to do with bringing him to Indiana:
 




Name:
Edward H. Menke

Year:
1847-1848 

Place:
Indiana 

Source Publication Code:
3434 

Primary Immigrant:
Menke, Edward H

Source Bibliography:
AN INDEX TO INDIANA NATURALIZATION RECORDS Found in Various Order Books of the Ninety-Two Local Courts prior to 1907. Indianapolis: Family History Section, Indiana Historical Society, 1981. 172p. 

Page:
105Good luck,   Pam

Re: [HN] Menke - My Brick Wall

Date: 2008/01/09 01:13:21
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Anke,

Thank you for your reply, I will take a closer look at Schledehausen and Niederholsten.

One clue I neglected in my earlier email was that in the 1880 Census Lizetta Otto (born Menke) stated her father was born in Hannover, but that her mother was born in Holland. Henrietta Rust, her aunt, who was living with them at the time stated that she and her parents were born in Holland. This is the reason I feel that Henrietta/Lizetta Rust was a sister Lizetta Menke's mother Mary.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 05:09 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
--===============0023075456==

Hi Joel,

I'm searching in the area of the parish of Schledehausen (and surrounding
area), county of Osnabrück. The surnames Menke, Henke and Rust are all known
in that area. Unfortunalety none of that names are part of my ancestors so I
won't be of much help for you.

Looking through my the dates I've, I found the following baptism entry in
the parish of Schledehausen:

Born Nov 14, 1811, name: Johann Friedrich, parents: Johann Adam Rust and
Anne Marie Knackwefel of Wulften, sponsors: Hermann Friedrich Fischer?,
Johann Friedrich Rust and Catharine Engel Kröger.

There's a Henke family in Wulften, too, although I don't have enough
information to tell if there was a Louisa Henke.

The Menkes that I know of are from Niederholsten, parish of Oldendorf, just
at the border to the parish of Schledehausen. But again, I've not enough
information to tell if the family your're looking for is coming from there,
too.

I did a search for Menke at http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de to see what I
can find there. Wow, Menke is a common name.
What about Eberhard Heinrich Menke from Darum, parish of Belm, age 47, who
got the permission to emigrate in 1840 and what to go with his wife, nee
Jürgens, three sons and two daughters?
There's also a Christian Heinrich Menke, born Apr 1834 in the parish of
Oldendorf, got permission in 1852, a brother and a sister are already in the
USA.
There are a lot of other Menkes from the Osnabrück area who got the
permission to emigrate in that database, maybe you should have a look
yourselve.


I hope that this will help you.

Greetings from Germany,
Anke Waldmann

www.die-waldmanns.de
www.grambergen.de



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Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:02:10 -0500
From: "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Subject: [HN] Menke - My Brick Wall
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Well since Sandy had such good luck, I thought I'd present my brick wall and
see if anyone can help me.

Here is the story as handed down by my grandmother:
Mr. Menke (given name unknown) and his wife came to the United States around
1848 along with their daughters Elizabeth and Lizetta.  They were from
Osnabruck or the surrounding area.  Shortly after their arrival a son,
Louis, was born and shortly after that both parents died.  Elizabeth was
then taken in by a Lutheran Minister and Lizetta and Louis were taken in my
their Aunt Rust.  Elizabeth and Lizetta each married and settled in
Indianapolis where they lived out their lives.  Louis joined the Union Army
during the American Civil War.  He died during the war and was buried in
Virginia.

Now here is what I think I know:
Mr. Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and
settled in Jackson County, Indiana.  Mr. Menke either died on the voyage or
very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in Germany).  Mr.
Menke and Mary's known children are as follows:

1.  Christian Menke (Jan 1837-14 Aug 1899) married Louisa Henke and lived
his adult life in Dubois County, IN 2.  Elisabeth Menke (13 Oct 1841 - 7 May
1934) married Frederick Speier and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN
3.  Lizetta Menke (1 Nov 1842 - 2 Apr 1905) married Karl "Charles"
Otto and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN 4.  Louis Menke, born abt
1845. no other information.
5.  Mary Menke, born abt 1848, no other information

By 1860 the children were scattered with Christian and Louis still in
Jackson County, IN (though not together), Elisabeth married and living in
Indianapolis, and no sign of Lizetta, Mary or their mother.  In 1861
Christian moved to Dubois County, IN where he lived the rest of his life.
Louis drops from sight after the 1860 Census, a search of military records
hasn't turned him up as of yet.  The spelling of the last name varies and
it's possible he went by a different given name.  Although I've not found
Lizetta in 1860 she married in Indianapolis in 1862 where she remained the
rest of her life.  I've identified Aunt Rust as Lizetta (or Henrietta) Rust
who is most likely the sister of their mother Mary.  Lizetta Rust
(c1810-19 Aug 1894) was married to Frederick Rust (c1811-c1875) and they
were living in Jackson County, IN in 1850 and 1860.  The moved to Dubois
County, IN by 1870 and Lizetta Rust (widow) was living in the household of
her niece Lizetta (who had married Karl Otto) in 1880.  A check of probate
records in Jackson County, IN did not turn up anything on Mr. Menke or his
wife Mary.  The family was of the Lutheran faith in the United States.  A
check of church records hasn't turned up any town name.

Thank you,

Joel
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Re: [HN] MENKE .... my brick wall (JOEL)

Date: 2008/01/09 01:26:21
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Armin,

Yes, I'm primarily interested in finding Mr. Menke and his wife Mary and, hopefully, where they are from. Once I get through that roadbloack I can move forward (or is it backward) on their ancestry. I've been very fortunate over the past 30 years to find the village and then family of my ancestors in Germany. At present I only have two that I've not gotten back to Germany, one is the Menke family.

Thank you for your assistance and good luck with the plumber!

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

At 06:00 PM 1/8/2008, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:

In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 22:14:22 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Mr.  Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and
settled  in Jackson County, Indiana.  Mr. Menke either died on the
voyage or  very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in
Germany).   Mr. Menke and Mary's known children are as  follows:



Ok Joel

I have saved your mail in my Word document and i will try my very best.  When
i understand your problem correct you are only looking (ONLY LOL) for Mr.
Menke and his wife is that correct?

But unfortunately i will have to wait with my head hunter work till  tuesday,
cause tomorrow i have the plumber in my house ............ GRRRRRRRRRR  and i
will have not time for my favorite job searching at ancestry.

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Re: [HN] Sievers (Catholic or Protestant)

Date: 2008/01/09 06:38:39
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

Hi Sandy,
   It does make a difference in which Church you contact for possible records
:)
   Congratulations on finding your ancestor's village!
   Don Roddy
   Jacksonville




Re: [HN] SIEVERS

Date: 2008/01/09 07:47:39
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

We need to remember that a man named his first son for his father.
If he had four sons, they each named their first son for their father.
So four first cousins had the same name!

My ancestor came to the USA at 15 with a 30-year-old cousin 
of the exact same name.

It is easy to mistake these cousins in the USA census and picking 
one with an age that is "close" can mean picking a cousin!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DSore10588 
  To: Hannover-L 
  Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS


  Living in St. Louis and being born in Illinois is not all that far fetched.  It happened in my family.  They apparently moved for around three years to somewhere in Illinois in between census records.  So, it could happen.




  ssage dated 01/07/08 08:17:33 Central Standard Time, AJHattorf writes:

  In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt   
  hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: 

  Wow!  Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to   
  American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says:   
  SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October  1856.   
  Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New  Orleans. 



  Hi Sandy 

  I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that   
  you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census. 

  I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the   
  shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old,   
  ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the   
  arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832. 

  And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as   
  Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok. 

  And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry   
  Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next 
  page  they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would 
  be  still ok. 


  But now the break in that story 

  In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in  Ruma, 
  Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the   
  same that lived before in St. Louis???? 

  IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named  Henry 
  but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry  Sievers 
  was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the  1880 
  census he should be now about 12 years old????? 

  Hope you have still some infos about that 

  Armin 



    
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Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode

Date: 2008/01/09 09:59:29
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi Sandy
 
Ok i have been looking for the adress of the church in Dögerode. First i  
tried to see the homepage of this very little town. They have only a population  
of 166 persons. But they have a church you may see it on that homepage and 
they  have a Heimatverein, well thats someone who is doing researches in the past 
of  the town. Maybe he can help you too. You see his adress too on that  
homepage.
 
_http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp_ 
(http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp) 
 
Here you see all about that little town and you see a picture from the  
church. Today Dögerode is part of Kalefeld.
 
 
    Heimatverein Dögerode Herr Peter Mutschall Auetalstr. 67
37589 Kalefeld
 
This is the adress of the Heimatverein unfortunately no phone number in the  
phonebook in Kalefeld.
 
 
Well i have been checking the German phonebook. God bless Germany we dont  
have to pay to see the entrys like you in America.
 
There is a Sievers family living in Kalefeld! Perhaps they know something?  
Shell i call them?
 
 
 
Sievers Edith u. Detlef

Adresse
Oberer Heukamp  9
37589 Kalefeld / Westerhof Telefon
05553 17 70  

Maybe they hang up when you call them, cause they think its a bad joke,  
maybe they are pleased. Its a 50:50 chance.
 
You can see Dögerode using GOOGLE EARTH then you can see the hometown of  
your ancestor from satellite. I have done it to verify if they have two churches  
or only one i am not sure i think i have seen only one from above the roofs 
look  all similar.
 
AND FINALLY this is the homepage were you find the adress of the PFARRAMT  
with email adress were you can put in your request:
 
_http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp_ 
(http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp) 
 
_Ev.-luth.  Kirchengemeinde Kalefeld_ (http://www.kirche-altesamt.de/) 
mit den Ortschaften Kalefeld, Dögerode,  Sebexen
Pastor Rolf Wulkop, Grabenstr. 12, 37589 Kalefeld
Telefon: 05553 /  7 65, Telefax: 05553 / 99 53 29
E-Mail: _Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de_ (mailto:Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de) 
 
So i think its time to write the letter and send it to the email adress you  
are only one klick away from your family history.
 
Have a fine day
 
Armin
 
P.S. The plumber needed only 2 hours so i have a little time lol.
 
 
 
 



   

Re: [HN] Sievers (Catholic or Protestant)

Date: 2008/01/09 14:35:50
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Hi Don

Thanks for your information. Yep, it is Wonderful to actually have the name. Feels like Christmas morning!

Blessings
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:38 PM, svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com wrote:

Hi Sandy,
It does make a difference in which Church you contact for possible records
:)
   Congratulations on finding your ancestor's village!
   Don Roddy
   Jacksonville



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Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode

Date: 2008/01/09 15:11:06
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>

Good Morning Armin,

Wow! Each day just keeps gets better and better. Thanks for all your help. I am trying to take this all in and collect my thoughts before I go forward. I do not want to do something wrong and shut a door to my family search. I do have some questions if you have the time? If you dont have the time, I am still grateful for all your help. (Please dont laugh.) First, how would I write the town, county, state, and country my family is from? (2) Is the town so small that they wont have records? (3) Should I write to Herr Peter? (4) What does "Herr" mean? (5) if so, with his address would I put Germany? (6) Can you refer me to a web-site that will show me how to write a letter? I found some, but they look long and I have always heard if you find the ancestral town....keep it short. (7) Should I try to call ms. Edith Sievers??? What if she speaks only German? I only know Guten Tag. (I think.....it means Good Day??) You would think someone, such as myself, being over 89% German (As per a researcher in Texas,US) would know some German. I feel scared that I might say the wrong thing. On a side note: my 3 German Schnauzers are named Sigmund, Mozart and Einstein. ha ha ! Back to questions, (8) What is PFARRAMT mean? (9) How would I send a US money order or cashier check? Where there is a fee or just to make a donation to the church?

I loved the website, and I saw the church at the top left. I think? It's just hard when you can't read German. But I will try to learn.

Thanks for your help & sorry for taking up sooo much of your time with questions.
Blessings and Joy

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:59 AM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:

Hi Sandy

Ok i have been looking for the adress of the church in Dögerode. First i tried to see the homepage of this very little town. They have only a population of 166 persons. But they have a church you may see it on that homepage and they have a Heimatverein, well thats someone who is doing researches in the past of the town. Maybe he can help you too. You see his adress too on that
homepage.

_http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp_
(http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp)

Here you see all about that little town and you see a picture from the
church. Today Dögerode is part of Kalefeld.


   Heimatverein Dögerode Herr Peter Mutschall Auetalstr. 67
37589 Kalefeld

This is the adress of the Heimatverein unfortunately no phone number in the
phonebook in Kalefeld.


Well i have been checking the German phonebook. God bless Germany we dont
have to pay to see the entrys like you in America.

There is a Sievers family living in Kalefeld! Perhaps they know something?
Shell i call them?



Sievers Edith u. Detlef

Adresse
Oberer Heukamp  9
37589 Kalefeld / Westerhof Telefon
05553 17 70

Maybe they hang up when you call them, cause they think its a bad joke,
maybe they are pleased. Its a 50:50 chance.

You can see Dögerode using GOOGLE EARTH then you can see the hometown of your ancestor from satellite. I have done it to verify if they have two churches or only one i am not sure i think i have seen only one from above the roofs
look  all similar.

AND FINALLY this is the homepage were you find the adress of the PFARRAMT
with email adress were you can put in your request:

_http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp_
(http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp)

_Ev.-luth.  Kirchengemeinde Kalefeld_ (http://www.kirche-altesamt.de/)
mit den Ortschaften Kalefeld, Dögerode,  Sebexen
Pastor Rolf Wulkop, Grabenstr. 12, 37589 Kalefeld
Telefon: 05553 /  7 65, Telefax: 05553 / 99 53 29
E-Mail: _Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de_ (mailto:Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de)

So i think its time to write the letter and send it to the email adress you
are only one klick away from your family history.

Have a fine day

Armin

P.S. The plumber needed only 2 hours so i have a little time lol.








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Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)

Date: 2008/01/09 17:04:18
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi Joel
 
Not bad that challenge .... but i have a more horrible one .... but later  on.
 
I have found only Lizetta Otto nee Menke in the 1900 census. I see she is  
telling the enumerator that she came in 1850 to the USA. Would be interesting to 
 see Elisabeth and Mr. Fredrick Speier in 1900, 1910 or 1920 so that we could 
see  the year of emmigration if she has the same idea about that year. But 
looks like  i am to stupid to find Ellisabeth and Frederick. Well ok will try it 
tomorrow  again.
 
Armin



   

Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)

Date: 2008/01/09 17:28:53
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Hi Armin,

I look forward to your challenge, once you've solved mine. <grin>

In 1900 Elizabeth Speier is widowed, she states she came to the USA in 1849.
In 1910 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1853.
In 1920 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1845 and was naturalized in 1863.

Kindest regards,

Joel



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>Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)
>
>Hi Joel
> 
>Not bad that challenge .... but i have a more horrible one .... but later  on.
> 
>I have found only Lizetta Otto nee Menke in the 1900 census. I see she is  
>telling the enumerator that she came in 1850 to the USA. Would be interesting to 
> see Elisabeth and Mr. Fredrick Speier in 1900, 1910 or 1920 so that we could 
>see  the year of emmigration if she has the same idea about that year. But 
>looks like  i am to stupid to find Ellisabeth and Frederick. Well ok will try it 
>tomorrow  again.
> 
>Armin
>
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Re: [HN] Menke - My Brick Wall

Date: 2008/01/09 18:24:49
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>

  Joel,
   
  Here is what I found:
   
  in the 1850 census, neighbors were Fosbrink (Vosbrink), Barchers (Borchers), 
  Nentrup and others.  These are as you know all low German speakers and 
  likely from the same general area.  1850 was fairly early yet and I wonder if 
  these families might have a connection?
   
  The key for me was the aunt, Lissette Rust and her husband Friedrich Rust.
   
  I found them in the passenger list records coming through New Orleans on 
  the ship: Diana arriving on June 3, 1845 from Bremen.  Traveling with them for 
  a voyage that started in Hannover and lasted approximately 3 months was also a 
  'servant', Elise Hagemeyer - another key to the puzzle and most likely a sister to 
  Lissetta Rust.  
   
  Then checking the emigration records from the Staatsarchiv in Osnabrück revealed 
  the following emigration documents noting their departure on March 31, 1845:
   
  Rep 335, Nr. 4249 Vol II
  1.  Rust, Johann Friedrich aus Osnabrück
2.  1811
3.  Tagelöhner
4.  ?
5.  Ehefrau Elisabeth geb. Hagemeyer
6.  ?
7.  Amerika
8.  31.3.1845
9.  150 Reichstaler
10. ?
   
  A duplicate record from another source
  Dep 3 b III Nr. 501
  1.  Rust, Johann Friedrich aus Osnabrück
2.  1811
3.  Tagelöhner
4.  ?
5.  Ehefrau Elisabeth geb. Hagemeyer 1811
6.  ?
7.  Amerika
8.  31.3.1845
9.  150 Reichstaler
10. 
   
  Thus, my guess is that Mr. Menke was married to Mary Hagemeyer.  Now, the question 
  is whether they actually lived in Osnabrück.  It is likely that Lissetta married Johann 
  Friedrich Rust there and that her marriage record will then indicate where she was from 
  if elsewhere.
   
  There appear to be several Hagemeyers from Dissen, Pf. Iburg.  
   
  The earlier suggestions on Eberhard Heinrich Menke seems like a good possibility too.
  There are other notes on ancestry immigration records for him indicating he appeared 
  in records from the Kreis Steinfurt and the Regierungsbezirk Münster.
   
  Ironically, I have not yet been able to find him in the American passenger lists.
   
  Here are some follow up questions for you:
   
  Have you checked the church records in Brownstown Twp, Jackson Co, IN?
  What about the girls church marriage records when they married in Marion Co?
  Spier oo Menke about 1859 or Otto oo Menke on Apr 23, 1862?
  What about Christian Menke's church marriage record? or church burial record?  
  Has the Hagemeyer family name ever appeared in your research?
  Are there any other closely tied families that appear as baptismal sponsors for
  the Otto, Spier/Speyer, Menke children?
  Did you check the church burial record for Lissetta Otto or Elisabeth Spier/Speyer?  
   
  That's all for now - but hopefully you have a few strong leads to follow up on.
   
  Bob Behnen
  Kirksville, MO


Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode

Date: 2008/01/09 20:05:14
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>

Sandy Cooper schrieb:
Good Morning Armin,

Wow! Each day just keeps gets better and better. Thanks for all your help. I am trying to take this all in and collect my thoughts before I go forward. I do not want to do something wrong and shut a door to my family search. I do have some questions if you have the time? If you dont have the time, I am still grateful for all your help. (Please dont laugh.) First, how would I write the town, county, state, and country my family is from?
Town: Dögerode (o with Umlauts)
County: at that time "Altes Amt Westerhof", today it belongs to the county "Kreis Northeim"
State: Hannover, today Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony)
Country: Preußen (Prussia), today Deutschland (Germany)

(2) Is the town so small that they wont have records?
Yes, the town is very small. Dögerode belongs to the parish of Kalefeld
The Church records of Kalefeld started in 1641.

(3) Should I write to Herr Peter?
As I wrote in my last mail Mr. Peter Mutschall is the contact person for the Heimatverein.
Peter is the first name
Mutschall is the surname

(4) What does "Herr" mean?
Herr means Mister

> (5) if so, with his address would I put Germany?
yes
(6) Can you  refer me to a web-site that will show me how to write a letter?
here are some sample letters
<http://www.genealogy.net/misc/letters/>

all other questions should be answered within the FAQ for the news group soc.genealogy.germen
<http://www.genealogienetz.de/faqs/sgg-faq.html>

hope this will be a little help

Greetings from Germany

Heinz
--
Niedersachse by nature


Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover

Date: 2008/01/09 23:00:48
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>

Dear Anke,
   
  Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.
   
  I have information that takes me bak several generations here in the united states. The 1880 cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with childern all of the childern were born here the oldest son was henery who looks to be born here in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and Elizabeth got here some where before that. On the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was also born in prussia in about 1828 the name hannover has come up a lot with them so hopefully this will help to. I have not been able to find them yet on any imagration lists but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet. 
  Thanks for yur help
  Deborah Ramsey

"Anke E. Waldmann" <anke(a)die-waldmanns.de> wrote:
  
Hi Deborah,

Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia -
especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve,
too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.

I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
county of Osnabrück.

Anke Waldmann

www.die-waldmanns.de
www.grambergen.de

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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
From: D Ramsey 
Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name

Thank you
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Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover

Date: 2008/01/09 23:52:04
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Deborah,

I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household.

1850 Federal Census:  Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH
Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House
Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House
Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House
Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer

1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent.

Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the 1890 and 1891 City Directories for Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory.

I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
Dear Anke,

Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.

I have information that takes me bak several generations here in the united states. The 1880 cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with childern all of the childern were born here the oldest son was henery who looks to be born here in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and Elizabeth got here some where before that. On the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was also born in prussia in about 1828 the name hannover has come up a lot with them so hopefully this will help to. I have not been able to find them yet on any imagration lists but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet.
  Thanks for yur help
  Deborah Ramsey

"Anke E. Waldmann" <anke(a)die-waldmanns.de> wrote:

Hi Deborah,

Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia -
especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve,
too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.

I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
county of Osnabrück.

Anke Waldmann

www.die-waldmanns.de
www.grambergen.de

______

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
From: D Ramsey
Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name

Thank you
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Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover

Date: 2008/01/10 00:28:42
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>

Joel,
   
  I have this and I have Edward back to the 1850 census I think thiose are his brothers.so I think he ot here to the U.S. shortly before the 1850 census I can't find him in the 1840 but thats where I get stuck finding him before that.I'm pretty sure he left from the doc's of Bermen. But I'm not sure I need to check out Ellis yet I'm just plum stuck here right now.
  Let me know if you find a new avenue I'll keep in touch with you.
   
  Thank you
  Deborah Ramsey

"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
  Deborah,

I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the 
Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household.

1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH
Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House
Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House
Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House
Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer

1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with 
his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as 
Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent.

Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the 
1890 and 1891 City Directories for 
Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory.

I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
>Dear Anke,
>
> Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but 
> with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.
>
> I have information that takes me bak several 
> generations here in the united states. The 1880 
> cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that 
> Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with 
> childern all of the childern were born here the 
> oldest son was henery who looks to be born here 
> in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and 
> Elizabeth got here some where before that. On 
> the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born 
> in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was 
> also born in prussia in about 1828 the name 
> hannover has come up a lot with them so 
> hopefully this will help to. I have not been 
> able to find them yet on any imagration lists 
> but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet.
> Thanks for yur help
> Deborah Ramsey
>
>"Anke E. Waldmann" wrote:
>
>Hi Deborah,
>
>Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia -
>especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve,
>too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
>be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.
>
>I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
>county of Osnabrück.
>
>Anke Waldmann
>
>www.die-waldmanns.de
>www.grambergen.de
>
>______
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
>From: D Ramsey
>Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
>To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
>Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name
>
>Thank you
>Deborah Ramsey
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover

Date: 2008/01/10 01:18:56
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Deborah,

Ellis Island isn't going to help you. This was way before Ellis Island was used. You might check Castle Garden, but I personally think you have a better bet finding him coming in through Baltimore or maybe Boston. There was a pretty regular route from Bremen to Baltimore and then down to Cincinnati at that time.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

At 06:28 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
Joel,

I have this and I have Edward back to the 1850 census I think thiose are his brothers.so I think he ot here to the U.S. shortly before the 1850 census I can't find him in the 1840 but thats where I get stuck finding him before that.I'm pretty sure he left from the doc's of Bermen. But I'm not sure I need to check out Ellis yet I'm just plum stuck here right now.
  Let me know if you find a new avenue I'll keep in touch with you.

  Thank you
  Deborah Ramsey

"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
  Deborah,

I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the
Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household.

1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH
Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House
Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House
Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House
Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer

1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with
his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as
Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent.

Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the
1890 and 1891 City Directories for
Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory.

I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
>Dear Anke,
>
> Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but
> with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.
>
> I have information that takes me bak several
> generations here in the united states. The 1880
> cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that
> Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with
> childern all of the childern were born here the
> oldest son was henery who looks to be born here
> in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and
> Elizabeth got here some where before that. On
> the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born
> in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was
> also born in prussia in about 1828 the name
> hannover has come up a lot with them so
> hopefully this will help to. I have not been
> able to find them yet on any imagration lists
> but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet.
> Thanks for yur help
> Deborah Ramsey
>
>"Anke E. Waldmann" wrote:
>
>Hi Deborah,
>
>Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia -
>especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve,
>too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
>be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.
>
>I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
>county of Osnabrück.
>
>Anke Waldmann
>
>www.die-waldmanns.de
>www.grambergen.de
>
>______
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
>From: D Ramsey
>Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
>To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
>Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name
>
>Thank you
>Deborah Ramsey
>
>
>
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>
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[HN] Birthday Calendar

Date: 2008/01/10 01:22:58
From: Phyllis Phillips <onlyonephyl(a)aol.com>

Hello

Click on the link below and please enter your birthday for me.  It will take less than one minute.

http://www.birthdayalarm.com/bd2/81854665a107872457b1422635965c477962995d1815

Thank You,
Phyllis


Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/10 10:47:36
From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>

My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to 
England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at 
Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would 
have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, 
might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far 
as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?

Keith Sturges


>----Original Message----
>From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com
>Date: 08/01/2008 22:03 
>To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
>Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
>
>Hello,
>
>
>
>Have tried the book - 
>
>
>
>"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports", 
Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and 
William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, 
copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38 
1988.
>
>
>
>My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records 
from American sources.
>
>
>
>There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the 
website handy, but a google search might help.
>
>
>
>Jim Danielsen
>
>Stoughton, WI
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Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode

Date: 2008/01/10 11:59:47
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>

Just part of the answer,  Herr = Mr. .   A cashiers'check does not work,( it
would cost the person receiving it between $ 15 and $30 dollars to process
it and take up to 6 weeks) you would have to find out their international
idem bank number if they have one (companys that do international business
have them, small com. or private persons do not, with this nummber
transactions only cost you a couple of dollars extra without it will cost
you up to $ 25  extra in costs)   It may be possible but it is a small
possiblity to do it via a credit card but then again not many persons have
credit cards here so it depends on the receiving end if they except  them.
As to the chance of them speaking english I would not count on it, even in
many hotels in Germany they don't speak english , if you send a letter they
usally can find someone who can translate it for them but calling on the
phone, they most probablly would not understand you.  Yes you would write
Germany or Duitsland to the adress.     Anna Marie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode


Good Morning Armin,

Wow! Each day just keeps  gets better and better. Thanks for all your
help. I am trying to take this all in and collect my thoughts before I
go forward. I do not want to do something wrong and shut a door to my
family search. I do have some questions if you have the time?  If you
dont have the time, I am still grateful for all your help. (Please
dont laugh.) First, how would I write the town, county, state, and
country my family is from? (2) Is the town so small that they wont
have records? (3) Should I write to Herr Peter? (4) What does "Herr"
mean? (5) if so, with his address would I put Germany? (6) Can you
refer me to a web-site that will show me how to write a letter? I
found some, but they look long and I have always heard if you find the
ancestral town....keep it short. (7) Should I try to call ms. Edith
Sievers??? What if she speaks only German? I only know Guten Tag. (I
think.....it means Good Day??) You would think someone, such as
myself, being over 89% German (As per a researcher in Texas,US) would
know some German. I feel scared that I might say the wrong thing. On a
side note: my 3 German Schnauzers are named Sigmund, Mozart and
Einstein. ha ha ! Back to questions, (8) What is PFARRAMT mean? (9)
How would I send a US money order or cashier check? Where there is a
fee or just to make a donation to the church?

I loved the website, and I saw the church at the top left. I think?
It's just hard when you can't read German. But I will try to learn.

Thanks for your help & sorry for taking up sooo much of your time with
questions.
Blessings and Joy

sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:59 AM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:

> Hi Sandy
>
> Ok i have been looking for the adress of the church in Dögerode.
> First i
> tried to see the homepage of this very little town. They have only a
> population
> of 166 persons. But they have a church you may see it on that
> homepage and
> they  have a Heimatverein, well thats someone who is doing
> researches in the past
> of  the town. Maybe he can help you too. You see his adress too on
> that
> homepage.
>
> _http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp_
> (http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp)
>
> Here you see all about that little town and you see a picture from the
> church. Today Dögerode is part of Kalefeld.
>
>
>    Heimatverein Dögerode Herr Peter Mutschall Auetalstr. 67
> 37589 Kalefeld
>
> This is the adress of the Heimatverein unfortunately no phone number
> in the
> phonebook in Kalefeld.
>
>
> Well i have been checking the German phonebook. God bless Germany we
> dont
> have to pay to see the entrys like you in America.
>
> There is a Sievers family living in Kalefeld! Perhaps they know
> something?
> Shell i call them?
>
>
>
> Sievers Edith u. Detlef
>
> Adresse
> Oberer Heukamp  9
> 37589 Kalefeld / Westerhof Telefon
> 05553 17 70
>
> Maybe they hang up when you call them, cause they think its a bad
> joke,
> maybe they are pleased. Its a 50:50 chance.
>
> You can see Dögerode using GOOGLE EARTH then you can see the
> hometown of
> your ancestor from satellite. I have done it to verify if they have
> two churches
> or only one i am not sure i think i have seen only one from above
> the roofs
> look  all similar.
>
> AND FINALLY this is the homepage were you find the adress of the
> PFARRAMT
> with email adress were you can put in your request:
>
> _http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp_
> (http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp)
>
> _Ev.-luth.  Kirchengemeinde Kalefeld_ (http://www.kirche-altesamt.de/)
> mit den Ortschaften Kalefeld, Dögerode,  Sebexen
> Pastor Rolf Wulkop, Grabenstr. 12, 37589 Kalefeld
> Telefon: 05553 /  7 65, Telefax: 05553 / 99 53 29
> E-Mail: _Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de_ (mailto:Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de)
>
> So i think its time to write the letter and send it to the email
> adress you
> are only one klick away from your family history.
>
> Have a fine day
>
> Armin
>
> P.S. The plumber needed only 2 hours so i have a little time lol.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/10 15:05:56
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

High Keith,

http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html

May be your ancestor was  a sugar baker, than please look at the link.
There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya.

Bernd


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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists


My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to
England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at
Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would
have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time,
might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far
as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?

Keith Sturges


----Original Message----
From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com
Date: 08/01/2008 22:03
To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Hello,



Have tried the book -



"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",
Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and
William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE,
copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38
1988.



My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records
from American sources.



There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the
website handy, but a google search might help.



Jim Danielsen

Stoughton, WI
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[HN] Re Bremen to Baltimore Passengers

Date: 2008/01/10 15:13:30
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Are the Bremen to Baltimore passenger records online anywhere?
Maureen
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joel S. Russell 
  To: Hannover-L 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover


  Deborah,

  Ellis Island isn't going to help you.  This was 
  way before Ellis Island was used.  You might 
  check Castle Garden, but I personally think you 
  have a better bet finding him coming in through 
  Baltimore or maybe Boston.  There was a pretty 
  regular route from Bremen to Baltimore and then 
  down to Cincinnati at that time.

  Joel
  http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

  At 06:28 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
  >Joel,
  >
  >   I have this and I have Edward back to the 
  > 1850 census I think thiose are his brothers.so 
  > I think he ot here to the U.S. shortly before 
  > the 1850 census I can't find him in the 1840 
  > but thats where I get stuck finding him before 
  > that.I'm pretty sure he left from the doc's of 
  > Bermen. But I'm not sure I need to check out 
  > Ellis yet I'm just plum stuck here right now.
  >   Let me know if you find a new avenue I'll keep in touch with you.
  >
  >   Thank you
  >   Deborah Ramsey
  >
  >"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
  >   Deborah,
  >
  >I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the
  >Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household.
  >
  >1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH
  >Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House
  >Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House
  >Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House
  >Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer
  >
  >1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with
  >his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as
  >Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent.
  >
  >Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the
  >1890 and 1891 City Directories for
  >Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory.
  >
  >I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet.
  >
  >Joel
  >http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
  >
  >
  >At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
  > >Dear Anke,
  > >
  > > Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but
  > > with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.
  > >
  > > I have information that takes me bak several
  > > generations here in the united states. The 1880
  > > cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that
  > > Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with
  > > childern all of the childern were born here the
  > > oldest son was henery who looks to be born here
  > > in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and
  > > Elizabeth got here some where before that. On
  > > the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born
  > > in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was
  > > also born in prussia in about 1828 the name
  > > hannover has come up a lot with them so
  > > hopefully this will help to. I have not been
  > > able to find them yet on any imagration lists
  > > but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet.
  > > Thanks for yur help
  > > Deborah Ramsey
  > >
  > >"Anke E. Waldmann" wrote:
  > >
  > >Hi Deborah,
  > >
  > >Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia -
  > >especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve,
  > >too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
  > >be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.
  > >
  > >I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
  > >county of Osnabrück.
  > >
  > >Anke Waldmann
  > >
  > >www.die-waldmanns.de
  > >www.grambergen.de
  > >
  > >______
  > >
  > >Message: 4
  > >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
  > >From: D Ramsey
  > >Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
  > >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
  > >Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
  > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
  > >
  > >If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
  > >Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name
  > >
  > >Thank you
  > >Deborah Ramsey
  > >
  > >
  > >
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Re: [HN] Re Bremen to Baltimore Passengers

Date: 2008/01/10 15:58:43
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Maureen,

I know that many of them (I'm not sure how complete) are online at Ancestry. I don't know if they are anywhere else.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


At 09:13 AM 1/10/2008, you wrote:
Are the Bremen to Baltimore passenger records online anywhere?
Maureen
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joel S. Russell
  To: Hannover-L
  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover


  Deborah,

  Ellis Island isn't going to help you.  This was
  way before Ellis Island was used.  You might
  check Castle Garden, but I personally think you
  have a better bet finding him coming in through
  Baltimore or maybe Boston.  There was a pretty
  regular route from Bremen to Baltimore and then
  down to Cincinnati at that time.

  Joel
  http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

  At 06:28 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
  >Joel,
  >
  >   I have this and I have Edward back to the
  > 1850 census I think thiose are his brothers.so
  > I think he ot here to the U.S. shortly before
  > the 1850 census I can't find him in the 1840
  > but thats where I get stuck finding him before
  > that.I'm pretty sure he left from the doc's of
  > Bermen. But I'm not sure I need to check out
  > Ellis yet I'm just plum stuck here right now.
  >   Let me know if you find a new avenue I'll keep in touch with you.
  >
  >   Thank you
  >   Deborah Ramsey
  >
  >"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
  >   Deborah,
  >
  >I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the
  >Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household.
  >
  >1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH
  >Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House
  >Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House
  >Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House
  >Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer
  >
  >1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with
  >his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as
  >Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent.
  >
  >Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the
  >1890 and 1891 City Directories for
  >Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory.
  >
  >I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet.
  >
  >Joel
  >http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
  >
  >
  >At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
  > >Dear Anke,
  > >
  > > Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but
  > > with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.
  > >
  > > I have information that takes me bak several
  > > generations here in the united states. The 1880
  > > cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that
  > > Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with
  > > childern all of the childern were born here the
  > > oldest son was henery who looks to be born here
  > > in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and
  > > Elizabeth got here some where before that. On
  > > the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born
  > > in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was
  > > also born in prussia in about 1828 the name
  > > hannover has come up a lot with them so
  > > hopefully this will help to. I have not been
  > > able to find them yet on any imagration lists
  > > but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet.
  > > Thanks for yur help
  > > Deborah Ramsey
  > >
  > >"Anke E. Waldmann" wrote:
  > >
  > >Hi Deborah,
  > >
> >Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia - > >especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve, > >too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
  > >be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.
  > >
> >I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
  > >county of Osnabrück.
  > >
  > >Anke Waldmann
  > >
  > >www.die-waldmanns.de
  > >www.grambergen.de
  > >
  > >______
  > >
  > >Message: 4
  > >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
  > >From: D Ramsey
  > >Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
  > >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
  > >Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
  > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
  > >
> >If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
  > >Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name
  > >
  > >Thank you
  > >Deborah Ramsey
  > >
  > >
  > >
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[HN] [NLF] Service FamilySearch de commande de microfilms - Home Page (fwd)

Date: 2008/01/10 17:25:58
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Auf Wunsch des Absenders weitergeleitet.

---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: "Rudolf Dietmann" <r.dietmann(a)gmx.de>
To: "NLF" <nlf(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [NLF] Service FamilySearch de commande de microfilms - Home
Page

Hallo, Liebe Vereinsmitglieder!
Über diesen Link könnt Ihr ab sofort Filme in den Forschungsstellen der
"Mormonen" online bestellen. 
 http://films.familysearch.org/
Ich weiß, dass viele von Euch regelmäßig die Forschungsstelle Hannover
besuchen, um dort Filme zu lesen.
Darf ich darum bitten, diese wichtige Information auch an andere Listen
weiterzugeben? Vielen Dank dafür!!!
Herzliche Grüße,
Rudolf
------


[HN] Bremen Passanger Lists - KLINKER & Hoepfner

Date: 2008/01/10 18:15:44
From: Rena McCarthy <rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net>

Hi Keith,
I see you have already done some research on the Klinkers in Eitzendorf via the IGI route.

As most of the Immigrant passenger lists to Britain were only kept for 10 years, there are only a few overlooked records in the archives. This leaflet on the government website, nationalarchives.gov.uk explains how to find the few remaining records:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=106

From the names already published on the above site, there were no Klinkers
serving in the Hannover Army nor applying for British Citizenship.

You didn't state which town your immigrant settled in, nor if they were married before they migrated, but on the above site it can be seen that there were Klinkers living in London in the 20th century and there are several Ev.Lutheran church books for that place settled in existence. These b.m.d records often give towns of immigrants origins:- The Anglo German Family History Society Len metzner's list: http://www.art-science.com/agfhs/len.html

Without direct documental proof we have to do a bit of lateral thinking. We can often work out birth month/years from ages given on marriage/death certificates and any age difference on UK census which were usually taken between the months of March to June. This is a boon when trying to decide which of several babies with the same name is our direct ancestor. Plus we can make an educated guess that the regular naming pattern was used and the 1st son and 2nd daughter will have their paternal grandparents names, etc.

During food shortages and war in particular areas many villages and towns had large exoduses for pastures new and from my own research found members of my family moved to Australia, America and England in the same time span. It is also noticeable that family members from younger generations or neighbours in the old homeland often migrated decades later to settle near a sponsor so it could be that this male applicant for UK citizenship might be Sarah's nephew:-

Hoepfner, Frederich William, from Germany. Resident in London. Certificate A3834 issued 2 January 1883.

On the German archive site: http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/ there are no online migrants to the UK but I see that Hoepfner families left Uelzen in the 1850's and left Schöningen in the 1871

and on the same website Klinkers migrated from Affinghausen in 1866 and then Eitzendorf in the 1880's.

The AA autoroute doesn't recognise any of the above places so I couldn't see how many miles distance they are.

Unfortunately I couldn't access early census to see if there were any German lodgers/relatives living with the Klinkers. From the IGI, I see in the 1881 census that there was a Hannoverian "Reuter" lodger. Was he given the Klinker address by a relative or friend from a nearby village back in the old homeland?

Good luck,
Rena in Lancashire
==
From: "ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk" <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to
England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at
Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would
have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time,
might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far
as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?
Keith Sturges

Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/10 20:59:13
From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>

Thanks, Bernd.

Yes, the Diedrich Klinker in the Sugarbaker's database is my g.g. 
grandfather. That's where I first found him. I've put together details 
of all the Klinker family from him to the present day. What I can't do 
is find any links in Germany. He came to England from Hoya in the early 
1850s. His father was also called Diedrich Klinker and was born 
Hannover area around 1800. I have details of other Klinker families in 
and around that area but can't find any link between them and Diedrich.

Regards,

Keith Sturges


>----Original Message----
>From: salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net
>Date: 10/01/2008 14:10 
>To: "Hannover-L"<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subj: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
>
>High Keith,
>
>http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html
>
>May be your ancestor was  a sugar baker, than please look at the 
link.
>There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya.
>
>Bernd
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM
>Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
>
>
>> My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came 
to
>> England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked 
at
>> Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You 
would
>> have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the 
time,
>> might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as 
far
>> as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?
>>
>> Keith Sturges
>>
>>
>>>----Original Message----
>>>From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com
>>>Date: 08/01/2008 22:03
>>>To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
>>>Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>>>Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Have tried the book -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",
>> Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier 
and
>> William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE,
>> copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.
G3G38
>> 1988.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records
>> from American sources.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the
>> website handy, but a google search might help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jim Danielsen
>>>
>>>Stoughton, WI
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Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists - KLINKER & Hoepfner

Date: 2008/01/10 21:30:10
From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Rena,

Thanks so much for your very detailed reply. I can trace every single 
descendant of Diedrich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner from the 
1850s to the present day. I think they arrived in London early/mid 
1850s and they married in 1861 although their first child was born 1859 
so they were together before marrying. I don't know if they came 
together from Germany or met in London after coming here independently. 
Diedrich was born Hoya (nw of Hannover city) around 1834. His father 
was also called Diedrich and was a shoemaker born around 1800 in 
Hannover province but was shown as deceased on Diedrich junior's 
marriage cert in 1861. Catharina Hoepfner was born Gieboldehausen (sw 
of Hannover city ) around 1838. I have detailed maps of the Hoya area 
and have extensive details of all the Klinkers mentioned in the 
surrounding areas, including Eitzendorf, Holtum, Martfeld, Affinghausen 
and others. Some Klinker families I can even trace back to 1300s. What 
I can't do is link any of them to my Diedrich Klinker (my gg 
grandfather). There was another Klinker family headed by Albert Klinker 
that settled in Southwark, about two miles from Diedrich, at about the 
same time, I know the two families went to the same church, but I've 
never been able to establish whether there was any connection between 
the two families. Tracing family histories can be so frustrating.

Thanks and regards,

Keith Sturges
ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk  

>----Original Message----
>From: rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net
>Date: 10/01/2008 17:15 
>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subj: [HN]  Bremen Passanger Lists - KLINKER &amp; Hoepfner
>
>Hi Keith,
>I see you have already done some research on the Klinkers in 
Eitzendorf via 
>the IGI route.
>
>As most of the Immigrant passenger lists to Britain were only kept 
for 10 
>years, there are only a few overlooked records in the archives.     
This 
>leaflet on the government website, nationalarchives.gov.uk explains 
how to 
>find the few remaining records:
>http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?
sLeafletID=106
>
>>From the names already published on the above site, there were no 
Klinkers 
>serving in the Hannover Army nor applying for British Citizenship.
>
>You didn't state which town your immigrant settled in, nor if they 
were 
>married before they migrated, but on the above site it can be seen 
that 
>there were Klinkers living in London in the 20th century and there 
are 
>several Ev.Lutheran church books for that place settled in 
existence.  These 
>b.m.d records often give towns of immigrants origins:-
>The Anglo German Family History Society Len metzner's list: 
>http://www.art-science.com/agfhs/len.html
>
>Without direct documental proof we have to do a bit of lateral 
thinking. 
>We can often work out birth month/years from ages given on 
marriage/death 
>certificates and any age difference on UK census which were usually 
taken 
>between the months of March to June.  This is a boon when trying to 
decide 
>which of several babies with the same name is our direct ancestor.  
Plus we 
>can make an educated guess that the regular naming pattern was used 
and the 
>1st son and 2nd daughter will have their paternal grandparents names, 
etc.
>
>During food shortages and war in particular areas many villages and 
towns 
>had large exoduses for pastures new and from my own research found 
members 
>of my family moved to Australia, America and England in the same time 
span. 
>It is also noticeable that family members from younger generations 
or 
>neighbours in the old homeland often migrated decades later to settle 
near a 
>sponsor so it could be that this male applicant for UK citizenship 
might be 
>Sarah's nephew:-
>
>Hoepfner, Frederich William, from Germany. Resident in London. 
Certificate 
>A3834 issued 2 January 1883.
>
>On the German archive site:  http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/  
there are 
>no online migrants to the UK but I see that Hoepfner families left  
Uelzen 
>in the 1850's and left Schöningen in the 1871
>
>and on the same website Klinkers migrated from Affinghausen in 1866 
and then 
>Eitzendorf in the 1880's.
>
>The AA autoroute doesn't recognise any of the above places so I 
couldn't see 
>how many miles distance they are.
>
>Unfortunately I couldn't access early census to see if there were any 
German 
>lodgers/relatives living with the Klinkers.  From the IGI,  I see in 
the 
>1881 census that there was a Hannoverian "Reuter" lodger.  Was he 
given the 
>Klinker address by a relative or friend from a nearby village back in 
the 
>old homeland?
>
>Good luck,
>Rena in Lancashire
>==
>From: "ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk" <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
>My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to
>England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at
>Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would
>have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the 
time,
>might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as 
far
>as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?
>Keith Sturges 
>
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Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/10 22:11:36
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

Hei Keith,

You have to start with your research in Hoya. I believe he was born abt. 1830 in the Hoya Area. Also his father will not from the Hannover area but from the
Kingdom of Hannover. That will be a little different,

It will be a good idea to become the membership of the FamNord list.
and ask there for Klinker from Hoya. I´m sure someone will help
you.

Regards
Bernd

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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists


Thanks, Bernd.

Yes, the Diedrich Klinker in the Sugarbaker's database is my g.g.
grandfather. That's where I first found him. I've put together details
of all the Klinker family from him to the present day. What I can't do
is find any links in Germany. He came to England from Hoya in the early
1850s. His father was also called Diedrich Klinker and was born
Hannover area around 1800. I have details of other Klinker families in
and around that area but can't find any link between them and Diedrich.

Regards,

Keith Sturges


----Original Message----
From: salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net
Date: 10/01/2008 14:10
To: "Hannover-L"<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subj: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

High Keith,

http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html

May be your ancestor was  a sugar baker, than please look at the
link.
There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya.

Bernd


----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists


My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came
to
England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked
at
Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You
would
have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the
time,
might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as
far
as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?

Keith Sturges


----Original Message----
From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com
Date: 08/01/2008 22:03
To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Hello,



Have tried the book -



"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",
Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier
and
William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE,
copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.
G3G38
1988.



My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records
from American sources.



There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the
website handy, but a google search might help.



Jim Danielsen

Stoughton, WI
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Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/10 22:17:49
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

I´ve to complete.
Please go to genealogynet and ask gedbas and Foko.
In both databases are Klinker for example in Schwarme and Bücken.
Very close to Hoya.

Bernd

----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists


Thanks, Bernd.

Yes, the Diedrich Klinker in the Sugarbaker's database is my g.g.
grandfather. That's where I first found him. I've put together details
of all the Klinker family from him to the present day. What I can't do
is find any links in Germany. He came to England from Hoya in the early
1850s. His father was also called Diedrich Klinker and was born
Hannover area around 1800. I have details of other Klinker families in
and around that area but can't find any link between them and Diedrich.

Regards,

Keith Sturges


----Original Message----
From: salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net
Date: 10/01/2008 14:10
To: "Hannover-L"<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subj: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

High Keith,

http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html

May be your ancestor was  a sugar baker, than please look at the
link.
There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya.

Bernd


----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists


My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came
to
England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked
at
Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You
would
have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the
time,
might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as
far
as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?

Keith Sturges


----Original Message----
From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com
Date: 08/01/2008 22:03
To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Hello,



Have tried the book -



"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",
Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier
and
William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE,
copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.
G3G38
1988.



My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records
from American sources.



There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the
website handy, but a google search might help.



Jim Danielsen

Stoughton, WI
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Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/10 22:51:35
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>

Hi Keith

I have the same problem. I am searching for a John Buckhorn from the Kingdom
of Hannover. He came to UK between 1850 and 1860. I found him and his family
in the British censuses but I know nothing about his time in Germany. I also
was looking for passenger lists and I bet there are some but where? Would be
helpful to get an sign from you when you find something. Thanks.

Have a nice evening.

Wolfgang (Buchhorn)
Braunschweig

Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?
Have you already visited my web page?
 
www.wbuchhorn.de



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ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2008 10:46
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to 
England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at 
Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would 
have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, 
might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far 
as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?

Keith Sturges



Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/10 23:01:58
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>

Tolle Seite, Bernd. Habe auch meinen John Buckhorn gefunden. Leider keine
neuen Informationen.

Schönen Abend.

Wolfgang (Buchhorn)
Braunschweig

Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?
Have you already visited my web page?
 
www.wbuchhorn.de



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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bernd Salewski
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2008 15:11
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

High Keith,

http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html

May be your ancestor was  a sugar baker, than please look at the link.
There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya.

Bernd


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists


> My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to
> England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at
> Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would
> have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time,
> might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far
> as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?
>
> Keith Sturges
>
>
>>----Original Message----
>>From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com
>>Date: 08/01/2008 22:03
>>To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
>>Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>>Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>>Have tried the book -
>>
>>
>>
>>"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",
> Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and
> William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE,
> copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38
> 1988.
>>
>>
>>
>>My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records
> from American sources.
>>
>>
>>
>>There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the
> website handy, but a google search might help.
>>
>>
>>
>>Jim Danielsen
>>
>>Stoughton, WI
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>>
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Re: [HN] Bremen Ship Lists - NARA Famine Lists 1/12/1846 - 12/31/1851

Date: 2008/01/11 01:47:28
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,
 
Nara has online:
 
Records for Passengers Who Arrived at the Port of New York During the Irish Famine, created, 1977 - 1989, documenting the period 1/12/1846 - 12/31/1851 ..
 
Not all passengers listed are of Irish descent.  Perhaps one might find German ancestor departing from an English/England Port to USA.
 
Not positive but I think would be referenced as "Indirect Passage."   
 
May not be specific to your search but worth a look if all else fails.
 
Warmest Regards,
Barbie-Lew
 
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/
Number of resources to peruse here....various interests.
 
If cannot get to Famine Lists by link below.. Try above link..or here..
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/
 
Famine Lists...
http://aad.archives.gov/aad/series-list.jsp?cat=GP44
 
 
 
> From: wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:51:15 +0100> Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists> > Hi Keith> > I have the same problem. I am searching for a John Buckhorn from the Kingdom> of Hannover. He came to UK between 1850 and 1860. I found him and his family> in the British censuses but I know nothing about his time in Germany. I also> was looking for passenger lists and I bet there are some but where? Would be> helpful to get an sign from you when you find something. Thanks.> > Have a nice evening.> > Wolfgang (Buchhorn)> Braunschweig> > Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?> Have you already visited my web page?>  > www.wbuchhorn.de> > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von> ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2008 10:46> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Betreff: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists> > My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to > England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at > Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would > have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, > might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far > as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?> > Keith Sturges> > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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[HN] Immigration Dates

Date: 2008/01/11 03:15:03
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

That's about right.  It just wasn't that important. European peasants had no wall calendars.  No one had a driver's license or a birth certificate.  Parents died young and weren't around to answer "when was I born?" or "when did we come to America?"

Immigrants were welcome and did their best to fit in, grateful to be here and hard at work whether on a job no American wanted or boiling up water over a nice fire for the laundry and chopping more wood for the cookstove!  

Parts of Germany experienced crop blights as bad as the Irish Famine in the 1840s.  They put it all behind them, and bless them!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joel S. Russell 
  To: Hannover-L 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)


  Hi Armin,

  I look forward to your challenge, once you've solved mine. <grin>

  In 1900 Elizabeth Speier is widowed, she states she came to the USA in 1849.
  In 1910 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1853.
  In 1920 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1845 and was naturalized in 1863.

  Kindest regards,

  Joel



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  >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 11:03 AM
  >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
  >Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)
  >
  >Hi Joel
  > 
  >Not bad that challenge .... but i have a more horrible one .... but later  on.
  > 
  >I have found only Lizetta Otto nee Menke in the 1900 census. I see she is  
  >telling the enumerator that she came in 1850 to the USA. Would be interesting to 
  > see Elisabeth and Mr. Fredrick Speier in 1900, 1910 or 1920 so that we could 
  >see  the year of emmigration if she has the same idea about that year. But 
  >looks like  i am to stupid to find Ellisabeth and Frederick. Well ok will try it 
  >tomorrow  again.
  > 
  >Armin
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[HN] THEODOR HATTORFF in the shiplist (one of my brick walls)

Date: 2008/01/11 06:33:03
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi all together
 
Meanwhile i am trying to find that Joels Menkes what is really an  
interesting hint with that Eberhard Heinrich Menke i will show you one of my  difficult 
jobs at ancestry.com
 
 
I try since about 2 years to find THEODOR HATTORFF in the shiplist. One  
thing is absolutely sure.
 
He was no immigrant but he was a visitor for a baptism. He signed on  
November 4th 1890 the papers in Chicago IL. Theodore is born around 1818 and so  he 
was about 72 years. His hometown in this year was probably Labuhn in  
Pommerania.
 
But how did he get there? Taking a ship to Baltimore perhaps, or was he the  
second world record swimmer in our family?
 
I have been searching the ship list up and down using misspellings as Theo*  
Todore and whatever, maybe i am too stupid to find him, it would be helpful if 
 one of our routined ancestry searchers could keep an eye on this men.
 
Have a fine weekend all together 
 
Armin



   

Re: [HN] Immigration Dates

Date: 2008/01/11 13:28:41
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

I   have  surname   Otto    in my family..but  I think  these from   olden Posen..then Washington County, Illinois.
> From: mcshelly2(a)msn.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:14:15 -0600> Subject: [HN] Immigration Dates> > That's about right. It just wasn't that important. European peasants had no wall calendars. No one had a driver's license or a birth certificate. Parents died young and weren't around to answer "when was I born?" or "when did we come to America?"> > Immigrants were welcome and did their best to fit in, grateful to be here and hard at work whether on a job no American wanted or boiling up water over a nice fire for the laundry and chopping more wood for the cookstove! > > Parts of Germany experienced crop blights as bad as the Irish Famine in the 1840s. They put it all behind them, and bless them!> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel S. Russell > To: Hannover-L > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:24 AM> Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)> > > Hi Armin,> > I look forward to your challenge, once you've solved mine. <grin>> > In 1900 Elizabeth Speier is widowed, she states she came to the USA in 1849.> In 1910 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1853.> In 1920 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1845 and was naturalized in 1863.> > Kindest regards,> > Joel> > > > -----Original Message-----> >From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 11:03 AM> >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)> >> >Hi Joel> > > >Not bad that challenge .... but i have a more horrible one .... but later on.> > > >I have found only Lizetta Otto nee Menke in the 1900 census. I see she is > >telling the enumerator that she came in 1850 to the USA. Would be interesting to > > see Elisabeth and Mr. Fredrick Speier in 1900, 1910 or 1920 so that we could > >see the year of emmigration if she has the same idea about that year. But > >looks like i am to stupid to find Ellisabeth and Frederick. Well ok will try it > >tomorrow again.> > > >Armin> >> >> >> > > >______________________________________________> >> >Hannover-L mailing list> >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l> > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l> ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Date: 2008/01/11 15:57:56
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

Hallo Wolfgang,

Schreib doch mal an den Verfasser Brian M. ob er evtl. noch eine Idee hat. Brian
ist sehr hilöfsbereit

Gruß
Bernd

----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Buchhorn" <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists


Tolle Seite, Bernd. Habe auch meinen John Buckhorn gefunden. Leider keine
neuen Informationen.

Schönen Abend.

Wolfgang (Buchhorn)
Braunschweig

Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?
Have you already visited my web page?

www.wbuchhorn.de



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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2008 15:11
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

High Keith,

http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html

May be your ancestor was  a sugar baker, than please look at the link.
There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya.

Bernd


----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists


My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to
England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at
Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would
have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time,
might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far
as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?

Keith Sturges


----Original Message----
From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com
Date: 08/01/2008 22:03
To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists

Hello,



Have tried the book -



"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",
Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and
William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE,
copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38
1988.



My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records
from American sources.



There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the
website handy, but a google search might help.



Jim Danielsen

Stoughton, WI
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[HN] Twenhafel....WC, IL., USA

Date: 2008/01/11 16:59:33
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>




TWENHAFEL 
AGNES 
  
F / W 
  
950166 
9/12/1922 
Hoyleton Twp 

TWENHOEFEL 
WILHEMINA 
  
F / W 
  
950041 
4/19/1932 
Irvington Twp 

TWENHOFEL 
WM 
CARL 
M / W 
  
950119 
7/26/1922 
Hoyleton Twp 

TWENHOLFEL 
LOUIS 
  
M / W 
  
950155 
12/11/1929 
Hoyleton Twp 
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[HN] Ilinois Foundlings....Twenhofel..

Date: 2008/01/11 17:14:00
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Opps I forgot.
 
 
http://genealogytrails.com/ill/washington/di1650_t.html
 
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Re: [HN] THEODOR HATTORFF in the shiplist (one of my brick walls)

Date: 2008/01/11 17:47:49
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>

Hi Armin,

Just a thought.

What are common nicknames for Theodor in Germany?
My great-grandmother's name was "Helene" and she is on the manifest as
"Lina."
That and the wrong spelling of the surname is what took so long for me to
find her.

Bobbi

On Jan 11, 2008 12:32 AM, <AJHattorf(a)aol.com> wrote:

> Hi all together
>
> Meanwhile i am trying to find that Joels Menkes what is really an
> interesting hint with that Eberhard Heinrich Menke i will show you one of
> my  difficult
> jobs at ancestry.com
>
>
> I try since about 2 years to find THEODOR HATTORFF in the shiplist. One
> thing is absolutely sure.
>
> He was no immigrant but he was a visitor for a baptism. He signed on
> November 4th 1890 the papers in Chicago IL. Theodore is born around 1818
> and so  he
> was about 72 years. His hometown in this year was probably Labuhn in
> Pommerania.
>
> But how did he get there? Taking a ship to Baltimore perhaps, or was he
> the
> second world record swimmer in our family?
>
> I have been searching the ship list up and down using misspellings as
> Theo*
> Todore and whatever, maybe i am too stupid to find him, it would be
> helpful if
>  one of our routined ancestry searchers could keep an eye on this men.
>
> Have a fine weekend all together
>
> Armin
>
>
>
>
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[HN] Test

Date: 2008/01/11 18:39:05
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>

Einen Gruß an alle Listis. Ich muss mal ausprobieren, ob bei mir mit der Sendung von E-Mails alles klappt.

Viele Grüße
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[HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Date: 2008/01/11 19:01:44
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>

Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg * 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.

 Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung

"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
 unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma

 Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
 im 79. Lebensjahre.

 In stiller Trauer

 Johann Cordes und Frau
 Heinz Cordes und Frau
 Enkel und Urenkel

 Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
 Harburger Straße 75

 Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
 bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
 Lindenstraße statt.

 Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13

 Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen geben ?

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Re: [HN] Test

Date: 2008/01/11 19:16:42
From: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>

Hallo Bärbel,

Test bestanden :-)

Viele Grüße
Michaela

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Re: [HN] Test

Date: 2008/01/11 19:24:20
From: Klaus Gevert <kgevert(a)web.de>

Hat geklappt.

Gruss, Klaus
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[HN] Anna Wiese und Johann Jöhrens

Date: 2008/01/11 19:25:25
From: Marion Reckewell <mahefri(a)htp-tel.de>

In meiner Liste habe ich Anna Sophie Margarethe WIESE *29. Juni 1762 in Kirchrode verheiratet am 22. Juli 1787 mit Johann Conrad oder Cord JÖHRENS *18. Mai 1741 in Kirchrode. Hat jemand Daten darüber wann Sie gestorben sind oder nochmal geheiratet haben und Daten über die Kinder? Ich würde mich darüber sehr freuen.


Mit feundlichen Grüßen
Marion Reckewell


Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Date: 2008/01/11 19:26:21
From: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>

Hallo Bärbel,

hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit Namen
und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch eine
Familie.

Viele Grüße
Michaela

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An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg *
07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.

 Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung

"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
 unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma

 Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
 im 79. Lebensjahre.

 In stiller Trauer

 Johann Cordes und Frau
 Heinz Cordes und Frau
 Enkel und Urenkel

 Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
 Harburger Straße 75

 Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
 bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
 Lindenstraße statt.

 Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13

 Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen geben
?

 Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.

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Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Date: 2008/01/11 20:07:00
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>

Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.

VG
Bärbel

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Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Hallo Bärbel,

hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
 Namen
und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
 eine
Familie.

Viele Grüße
Michaela

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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
 Karberg
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
 Karberg *
07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.

 Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung

"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
 unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma

 Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
 im 79. Lebensjahre.

 In stiller Trauer

 Johann Cordes und Frau
 Heinz Cordes und Frau
 Enkel und Urenkel

 Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
 Harburger Straße 75

 Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
 bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
 Lindenstraße statt.

 Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13

 Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen
 geben
?

 Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.

 Bärbel




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Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff

Date: 2008/01/11 21:15:23
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi Bobby
 
The shortform for Theodor is usually Theo ..... but its possible that his  
full name was Theodor Franz Hattorff but i have also been looking for Franz ...  
without any success.
 
Armin



   

Re: [HN] THEODOR HATTORFF in the shiplist (one of my brick walls)

Date: 2008/01/11 21:29:10
From: Rotraud Ilisch <post(a)rotraud-ilisch.de>

Hi Bobbi,
in fact "Theo" is a very common short form for Theodor, but I have seen, that the name "Dietrick" Dierich" or "Dirk" was used for people who were baptized as Theodor. In the Rhine region "Dueres" is used as Nickname for Theodor too.
Rotraud

Hi Armin,

Just a thought.

What are common nicknames for Theodor in Germany?
My great-grandmother's name was "Helene" and she is on the manifest as
"Lina."
That and the wrong spelling of the surname is what took so long for me to
find her.

Bobbi



Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Date: 2008/01/11 21:34:38
From: klaus . wrede <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>

Hallo Bärbel,

wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de
"Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km"
dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.
Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im Umkreis
von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja auch schon
verstorben sein.

Schönen Abend
Klaus


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von:     Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An:      Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum:   11.01.2008 20:03
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

> Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.
> 
> VG
> Bärbel
> 
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
> Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
> 
> Hallo Bärbel,
> 
> hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
> Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
>  Namen
> und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
>  eine
> Familie.
> 
> Viele Grüße
> Michaela
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
>  Karberg
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
> 
> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
>  Karberg *
> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
> 
>  Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
> 
> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
>  unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
> 
>  Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
>  im 79. Lebensjahre.
> 
>  In stiller Trauer
> 
>  Johann Cordes und Frau
>  Heinz Cordes und Frau
>  Enkel und Urenkel
> 
>  Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
>  Harburger Straße 75
> 
>  Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
>  bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
>  Lindenstraße statt.
> 
>  Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
> 
>  Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen
>  geben
> ?
> 
>  Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
> 
>  Bärbel
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[HN] Anne Cordes

Date: 2008/01/11 22:37:24
From: Dieter <go2dieter(a)comcast.net>

Hallo,

bin neues Mitglied bei hannover-L. Habe die Cordes Diskussion verfolgt. Habe in meinem Stammbaum eine ...

Anne Cordes
geb. 21 Jul 1866 in Mittelsdorf b. Stade
ver. 14 Feb 1884 in Achim mit Johann Schwarmann aus Sagehorn b. Bremen
gest. 20 Oct 1934 in Sagehorm.

Passt diese Cordes bei Euch irgendwo hinein?

Gruss
Dieter Schwarmann
(aus Kalifornien)

=====================================

----- Original Message ----- From: <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes


Hallo Bärbel,

wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de
"Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km"
dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.
Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im Umkreis von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja auch schon
verstorben sein.

Schönen Abend
Klaus


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von:     Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An:      Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum:   11.01.2008 20:03
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.

VG
Bärbel

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Hallo Bärbel,

hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
 Namen
und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
 eine
Familie.

Viele Grüße
Michaela

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
 Karberg
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
 Karberg *
07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.

 Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung

"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
 unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma

 Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
 im 79. Lebensjahre.

 In stiller Trauer

 Johann Cordes und Frau
 Heinz Cordes und Frau
 Enkel und Urenkel

 Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
 Harburger Straße 75

 Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
 bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
 Lindenstraße statt.

 Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13

 Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen
 geben
?

 Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.

 Bärbel




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[HN] Margarete Cordes ...

Date: 2008/01/11 23:12:13
From: Dieter <go2dieter(a)comcast.net>

Hallo,

habe eine neue Margarete Cordes bei mir gefunden

geb. 15 Aug 1897 in unb.
verh. in Achim mit Dietrich Schwarmann aus Sagehorn
gest. 22 Nov 1962 in Sagehorn

Sie hastte 3 Kinder ...

Johann Schwarmann
geb. 24 Feb 1932 in Sagehorn
gest. 19 Dec 1994 in unb.

Hermann Schwarmann
geb. 25 Sep 1933 in Sagehorn
gest. unb.

Annegret Schwarmann
geb. 17 Sep 1935 in Sagehorn
gest. 22 Nov 1983 in unb.

Passt diese Cordes bei Euch rein?

Gruss,
Dieter

===========================================


----- Original Message ----- From: "Dieter" <go2dieter(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Anne Cordes


Hallo,

bin neues Mitglied bei hannover-L. Habe die Cordes Diskussion verfolgt. Habe in meinem Stammbaum eine ...

Anne Cordes
geb. 21 Jul 1866 in Mittelsdorf b. Stade
ver. 14 Feb 1884 in Achim mit Johann Schwarmann aus Sagehorn b. Bremen
gest. 20 Oct 1934 in Sagehorm.

Passt diese Cordes bei Euch irgendwo hinein?

Gruss
Dieter Schwarmann
(aus Kalifornien)

=====================================

----- Original Message ----- From: <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes


Hallo Bärbel,

wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de
"Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km"
dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.
Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im Umkreis von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja auch schon
verstorben sein.

Schönen Abend
Klaus


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von:     Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An:      Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum:   11.01.2008 20:03
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.

VG
Bärbel

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Hallo Bärbel,

hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
 Namen
und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
 eine
Familie.

Viele Grüße
Michaela

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
 Karberg
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
 Karberg *
07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.

 Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung

"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
 unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma

 Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
 im 79. Lebensjahre.

 In stiller Trauer

 Johann Cordes und Frau
 Heinz Cordes und Frau
 Enkel und Urenkel

 Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
 Harburger Straße 75

 Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
 bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
 Lindenstraße statt.

 Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13

 Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen
 geben
?

 Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.

 Bärbel




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[HN] Dunker, Henry

Date: 2008/01/11 23:26:14
From: c roe <rangerroe(a)hotmail.com>

Searching for family history about Henry William Dunker born abt 10 June 1828 Hanover, Germany (family history says born in HesseKassel, Germany).  Henry Dunker married Mary Martha Hooker on 30 March 1865 in Cairo, Alexander County, Illinois USA.  1870 US Census, Henry Dunker is a carpenter born in Hanover, age 44.  His wife Martha is age 33, place of birth Hesse Castle, Germany.  They are living in Cairo, IL with three children:  Dora 4, William 2, Henry 1.  Henry Dunker died 18 September 1892, Cairo, IL In-Line-of-Duty Policeman.  According to family it is believed that Henry Dunker came alone to Cairo, IL.  He was a skilled carpenter and did the woodwork and staircase in a local mansion.  Later he became a policeman.  Family says that Henry Dunker and Martha Hooker knew each other in Germany and that both were born in Hesse-Kassel, Germany.  Family says the Dunkers were originally German Lutherans.  Henry Dunker was naturalized as a citizen 1 November 1862, Cairo, IL.  Do not know who his parents were, any siblings, or the year of his immigration.  Thanks for any assistance.  Barbara  [Note: There is a Henry Dunker, age 22, occupation joiner (carpenter) listed as a passenger on the Ship Antelope, Depart Bremen, Germany, Arrive New Orleans, Louisiana on 5 Nov 1849 or Depart 7 Sep Arrive 31 Oct 1849. Other members, William Dunker 51, Mary Dunker 51, William Dunker 25, Hanna Dunker 17, Mina Dunker 15.  Do not know if this is his family.]
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Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Date: 2008/01/11 23:56:34
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>

Hallo Bärbel,

da wurde ich doch fündig auf meiner alten Telefonbuch-CD (1996 !!):

Johann Cordes, Harburger Str. 75, Tel. 04261/5436


Auf der 2007er-CD steht unter der Adresse:

Wessels, Gerd, Tel. 04261/961921


Vielleicht hat er in die Familie geheiratet oder er kann sagen, wo die Kinder/Enkel der Auguste geblieben sind.


In Rotenburg habe ich die Heinz Cordes nicht gefunden, aber in Kirch- bzw. Westerwalsede, dann aber auch welche aus Zeven, Elsdorf usw. 

Falls bei dem Heinz noch ähnliche Infos wie oben bei Johann haben möchtest, dann Info an mich.

Viele Grüße    Günter


Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen

Suche in Deutschland:  Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Lerbach (Osterode a. H.):  Oppermann
OFB Rotenburg online: http://www.online-ofb.de/rotenburg/

Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/
 


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von:     Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An:      hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Datum:   11.01.2008 18:44
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg *
> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
> 
>  Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
> 
> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
>  unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
> 
>  Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
>  im 79. Lebensjahre.
> 
>  In stiller Trauer
> 
>  Johann Cordes und Frau
>  Heinz Cordes und Frau
>  Enkel und Urenkel
> 
>  Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
>  Harburger Straße 75
> 
>  Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
>  bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
>  Lindenstraße statt.
> 
>  Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
> 
>  Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen geben
> ?
> 
>  Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
> 
>  Bärbel
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's: 
> http://de.yahoo.com/set
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Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Date: 2008/01/12 00:31:49
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo Guenther,

nett sich hier wieder zu treffen.

Was sagt mir das. Wahrscheinlich hat bis 1996 der Sohn, Steifsohn? unter der Adresse gewohnt.
Die Idee, bei dem Herrn Wessels anzurufen ist gut, hätte von mir stammen können.
Ich denke mal, jetzt bin ich so weit, jetzt kann es nur noch weiter nach vorne gehen. 
Ich berichte mal, ob mir Herr Wessels etwas erzählen konnte. 
Ich bekomme es auch noch fertig, und rufe unter der alten Ruf-Nr. von Johann Cordes an.

Viele Grüße
Bärbel

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Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Hallo Bärbel,

da wurde ich doch fündig auf meiner alten Telefonbuch-CD (1996 !!):

Johann Cordes, Harburger Str. 75, Tel. 04261/5436


Auf der 2007er-CD steht unter der Adresse:

Wessels, Gerd, Tel. 04261/961921


Vielleicht hat er in die Familie geheiratet oder er kann sagen, wo die
 Kinder/Enkel der Auguste geblieben sind.


In Rotenburg habe ich die Heinz Cordes nicht gefunden, aber in Kirch-
 bzw. Westerwalsede, dann aber auch welche aus Zeven, Elsdorf usw. 

Falls bei dem Heinz noch ähnliche Infos wie oben bei Johann haben
 möchtest, dann Info an mich.

Viele Grüße    Günter


Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen

Suche in Deutschland:  Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Lerbach (Osterode a. H.):  Oppermann
OFB Rotenburg online: http://www.online-ofb.de/rotenburg/

Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/
 


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von:     Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An:      hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Datum:   11.01.2008 18:44
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
 Karberg *
> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
> 
>  Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
> 
> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
>  unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
> 
>  Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
>  im 79. Lebensjahre.
> 
>  In stiller Trauer
> 
>  Johann Cordes und Frau
>  Heinz Cordes und Frau
>  Enkel und Urenkel
> 
>  Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
>  Harburger Straße 75
> 
>  Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
>  bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
>  Lindenstraße statt.
> 
>  Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
> 
>  Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren
 Informationen geben
> ?
> 
>  Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
> 
>  Bärbel
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's: 
> http://de.yahoo.com/set
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> 
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Re: [HN] THEODOR HATTORFF in the shiplist (one of my brick walls)

Date: 2008/01/12 06:06:26
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>

Thanks.

On Jan 11, 2008 3:23 PM, Rotraud Ilisch <post(a)rotraud-ilisch.de> wrote:

> Hi Bobbi,
> in fact "Theo" is a very common short form for Theodor, but I have seen,
> that the name "Dietrick" Dierich" or "Dirk" was used for people who were
> baptized as Theodor. In the Rhine region "Dueres" is used as Nickname
> for Theodor too.
> Rotraud
>
>

[HN] Röhrs / Wacker

Date: 2008/01/12 08:45:40
From: Manfred <Manfred.Puffahrt(a)t-online.de>

Guten Morgen,

im Taufbuch von Hitzacker steht:

Johann Christian Röhrs                 ( später Schneider in Tiessau )

*  am 27.4.1768 in Spölkenwerder ( ehemalige Elbinsel bei Tiessau )

Sohn des Hans Heinrich Röhrs und der Catharine Margarethe geb. Wacker

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Manfred puffahrt


[HN] WITZENDORF, Heinrich, (1551-1617), Bürgermeister zu Lüneburg

Date: 2008/01/12 09:43:01
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>

Landeszeitung LÜNEBURG vom 11.01.2008:


"Das Epitaph des Lüneburger Bürgermeisters 

Heinrich Witzendorff (1551-1617)

 ist Thema eines Artikels von 

Dr. Hans-Cord Sarnighausen 

in Heft 177 der "Lauenburgischen Heimat""



Übersendet zur Kenntnisnahme
von

Klaus (Riecken)
www.Riecken-online.de

[HN] SPAEN , CAMMERS, HÖRNEKOP

Date: 2008/01/12 19:22:28
From: Robert van der Hall <rvdhall(a)xs4all.nl>

Liebe Mitforscher,

 

Alle guten Wünsche für 2008 und wir hoffen das Sie alle Information finden
können, die wir schon lange suchen.

Wir sind drei Holländer, die schon längere Zeit auf der Suche sind nach
unseren Ureltern und deren unterschiedliche Verknüpfung (Ahnenforschung).
Wir hoffen das wir in 2008 Antworten finden auf unsere letzten Fragen. Wir
möchten Sie gerne fragen, ob es möglich ist, in Ihren Dateien und Dokumenten
zu suchen. Vielleicht haben Sie die Informationen verfügbar, die wir schon
lange suchen.

Als gute Holländer haben wir natürlich auch etwas schönes für Sie, wenn Sie
uns eine von unseren 4 Fragen am Ende dieser Geschichte beantworten
können.......Holländischen Käse, wie Sie noch niemals probiert haben!

 

Unsere interessante Geschichte ist wie folgt:

 

Johan Spaen und Elisabeth Cammers bekommen in Olfen 1650 drei Kinder:

- Joannes Henricus, "Johan"

- Bernardus Theodorus, "Berndt Diderick"

- Joachimy Fridericy, "Joachim"

 

Vielleicht gibt es auch noch ältere Kinder, aber das haben wir nicht finden
können, da erst  ab 1650 Geburtsregistration verpflichtet war durch den
Bischof. Wir suchen noch immer den Geburtsort von Johan Spaen und Elisabeth.
Wahrscheinlich ist es Herbern, weil es dort ab 1650 sehr viele Spahnen gibt.
Vielleicht sind es Kriegs- oder Pestfluechtlinge, die von dem Nachbarort
Olfen immer Kontakt mit Herbern/Ascheberg hatten. Es ist wahrscheinlich
nicht zufällig das Berndt Diderick (aus Olfen) in Ascheberg heiratet und
nicht wieder zurückgeht nach Olfen.

 

Ascheberg und Herbern sind geografisch nah beieinander und die Höfe wo die
Leute  gewohnt haben, liegen irgendwo dazwischen.

Deswegen meinen wir (nicht festgestellt) das der Johan Spaen aus Herbern
kommt.

 

Und jetzt Information bezüglich Herman Spaen. Er ist über verschiedene Wege
mit ober genannten Personen verwandt.

 

1. Über den Familiennamen Hörnekop:

Herman Spaen heiratet in Herbern Clara Hörnekop (1667)

Berndt Diderick heiratet 1680 in Ascheberg und Johan Hörnekop war Trauzeuge.

Johan Hörnekop ist in Herbern 1687 auch Taufpate beim der Geburt von
Elisabeth, eine Tochter von Herman und Clara.

 

2. Über die schon genannte Elisabeth, eine Tochter von Herman:

Als Elisabeth Spaen, geheiratet mit Vollmer, ist sie in Ascheberg zweimal
Taufpatin bei der Taufe von zwei Kleinkindern von Berndt Diderick: 

    - 1726 Aschenberg Catharina Elisabeth Spaen

    - 1732 Aschenberg Maria Elisabeth Spaen

 

3.In Olfen ist 1688 ein Herman Spaen Taufpate bei der Taufe von Sybilla
Gertrudis Spaen, Tochter von Johan Spaen (vermutlich heißt er in anderen
Dokumenten Joannes Henricus).

 

Herman Spaen ist vermutlich verwandt mit  Johan/Elisabeth und den drei
Kindern. Wie sie genau miteinander verwandt sind ist nicht klar; vorläufig
denken wir, das es mit einem älteren Sohn von Johan und Elisabeth
zusammenhängt, aber es kann auch weiter zurück in der Zeit liegen. Die
Geburtstage von Johan und Elisabeth und den vermutlichen Hochzeitstag haben
wir zur Zeit nur vermuten, festgelegt an Hermans vermutliche Herkunft.

 

Unsere 4 Käse Fragen lauten wie folgt:

 

1) Sind Johan Spaen und Elisabeth Cammers die in Olfen drei Kindern taufen
lassen:

 - Joannes Henricus 11.4.1651 (Johan)

 - Bernardus Theodorus 20.6.1655 (Berndt Diderick)

 - Joachimy Fridericy 6.3.1661 (Joachim)

die Eltern von Herman Spaen, der am 30.1.1667 in  Herbern  Clara Hörnekop
heiratet  ?

 

2) Was ist der Geburtsort und -Datum von Johan Spaen und Elisabeth Cammers ?

3) Wann und wo haben sie geheiratet ?

4) Was sind die Geburtstage und -Orte von Herman Spaen und Clara Hörnekop ?

 

Wir danken Ihnen jedenfalls für Ihre Unterstützung und wünschen Ihnen
nohmals ein schönes 2008!

Mit freundlichem Gruß, 

 

Hans Spaan

Robert van der Hall 

Robert Heerekop 

 

(aus Holland)

 


Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Date: 2008/01/12 19:53:48
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>

Vielen Dank noch einmal an Euch. Ich habe des Rätsels Lösung heute gefunden, und mit der Enkelin und dem Stiefsohn telefoniert. Ich kann mich nur noch nicht so richtig darüber freuen, weil ich beim Gespräch etwas sehr schlimmes erfahren habe. Ich muss den Schock erst einmal verdauen.

Viele Grüße
Bärbel

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Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 21:33:34 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

Hallo Bärbel,

wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de
"Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km"
dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.
Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im
 Umkreis
von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja
 auch schon
verstorben sein.

Schönen Abend
Klaus


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von:     Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An:      Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum:   11.01.2008 20:03
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

> Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.
> 
> VG
> Bärbel
> 
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
> Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
> 
> Hallo Bärbel,
> 
> hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
> Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
>  Namen
> und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
>  eine
> Familie.
> 
> Viele Grüße
> Michaela
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
>  Karberg
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
> 
> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
>  Karberg *
> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
> 
>  Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
> 
> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
>  unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
> 
>  Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
>  im 79. Lebensjahre.
> 
>  In stiller Trauer
> 
>  Johann Cordes und Frau
>  Heinz Cordes und Frau
>  Enkel und Urenkel
> 
>  Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
>  Harburger Straße 75
> 
>  Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
>  bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
>  Lindenstraße statt.
> 
>  Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
> 
>  Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren
 Informationen
>  geben
> ?
> 
>  Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
> 
>  Bärbel
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's: 
> http://de.yahoo.com/set
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> 
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[HN] ROEHRS, HAHN

Date: 2008/01/12 21:22:12
From: kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net <kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net>

Aloha aus Hawaii!  Ich suche Frerderick Roehrs (geb 1904) und Elizabeth 
nee Hahn (geb 1803),  geheiratet ungefaehr 1820 in Hannover, wo weiss 
ich nicht.  Der aelteste Sohn war Johann Hermann Roehrs (geb 1821). 
Drei Kinder waren in Deutschland geboren:  Friedrich (1846), Mary 
(1848) und Heinrich Johann (1853).  Die Familie ist zwischen 1853-1855 
nach Ohio in Amerika auggewandert. Ich bin dankbar  fuer Hilfe.   

[HN] Hüneke / Hünke in 27330 Asendorf

Date: 2008/01/13 15:52:39
From: Walter Schlesinger <WSchlesinger(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer, 
wer kann mir weiterhelfen bei der Suche von Daten zu 
JOHANN HEINRICH ALBERT HÜNEKE (HÜNKE) und seinen Eltern.
* um 1810 in Kampsheide bei 27330 Asendorf
+ vor 1852
Mit den besten Grüßen aus Bremen.

Walter   ( Schlesinger )


Re: [HN] Hüneke / Hünke in 27330 Asendorf

Date: 2008/01/13 16:16:49
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

Walter, I have a number of Huenke/Hunke/Huneke/Huneken  relatives going back 
to the mid 1700's in Schlangen, and Haustenbeck.  My  great X 4 grandmother 
was Florentia Huneken/Huneke, born 5-21-1764 in  Schlangen.     
 
Have a nice day and smile, Jill  

I am  currently  researching:
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Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Freese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindt
worth,
Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leimenkuhl
er,
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Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Springhorn,
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[HN] Holger Bremer/Kirchenbuchamt Hannover

Date: 2008/01/13 17:08:49
From: kaba <kaba_rose(a)yahoo.com>

Hallo zusammen ~~ im Oktober letzten Jahres hatte mir Holger Bremer angeboten für mich im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover nach einem Ahnen zu schaun. Auf dieses Angebot möchte ich nun zurück kommen und Sie bitten dort nach einem Geburts/Taufeintrag von Johann Andreas Justus BETHE/BETE geb.02 Juli 1831 in Löwenhagen zu recherchieren. Seine Eltern sind Johann Ludwig BETHE und Friederike LUTIN zu Löwenhagen.
   
  Jegliche Information kann uns weiterhelfen und wird dankend entgegen genommen.
   
  Hat sonst einer von Euch diesen Namen in der AL?
   
  MfG auf Florida, Birgit Rose


 
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[HN] Neuvorstellung und Adressbücher von Hannov er

Date: 2008/01/13 23:25:09
From: Helga Bohlmann <bohlfrau(a)t-online.de>

Guten Abend,

mein Name ist Helga Bohlmann. Nachdem ich schon eine Menge übermeine mütterlichen Vorfahren heraus bekommen habe, möchte ich jetzt mehr über die Familie meines Vaters in Erfahrung bringen. Hat jeman aus der Liste Zugriff auf Adressbücher von Hannover aus den Jahren 1890 und 1922? Ich suche nach den Namen
ADERS und SEELING.
Über jede Antwort freue ich mich.
Noch einen schönen Abend wünscht
Helga (Bohlmann)

Re: [HN] Hüneke / Hünke in 27330 Asendorf

Date: 2008/01/14 09:45:38
From: Walter Schlesinger <WSchlesinger(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Jill,
Deine Vorfahren lebten zu weit von meinen Vohrfahren entfernt 
( ca. 200 km ).
Liebe Grüße
Walter




<MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com> schrieb:
> Walter, I have a number of Huenke/Hunke/Huneke/Huneken  relatives going back 
> to the mid 1700's in Schlangen, and Haustenbeck.  My  great X 4 grandmother 
> was Florentia Huneken/Huneke, born 5-21-1764 in  Schlangen.     
>  
> Have a nice day and smile, Jill  
> 
> I am  currently  researching:
> Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
> Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Freese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindt
> worth,
> Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leimenkuhl
> er,
> Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalski,  
> Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Springhorn,
> Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistinghause
> n,Wolers,
> Wohlerst,Zinzack,  Zynczak,Zinczak
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Anne Cordes

Date: 2008/01/14 10:38:01
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo Dieter,

leider nicht direkt, wobei man ja nie nie sagen sollte. Da meine aus Rotenburg (Wümme) gekommen sind.

Viele Grüße
Bärbel

----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: Dieter <go2dieter(a)comcast.net>
An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 22:37:04 Uhr
Betreff: [HN] Anne Cordes

Hallo,

bin neues Mitglied bei hannover-L.  Habe die Cordes Diskussion
 verfolgt. 
Habe in meinem Stammbaum eine ...

Anne Cordes
geb. 21 Jul 1866 in Mittelsdorf b. Stade
ver. 14 Feb 1884 in Achim mit Johann Schwarmann aus Sagehorn b. Bremen
gest. 20 Oct 1934 in Sagehorm.

Passt diese Cordes bei Euch irgendwo hinein?

Gruss
Dieter Schwarmann
(aus Kalifornien)

=====================================

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes


Hallo Bärbel,

wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de
"Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km"
dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.
Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im 
Umkreis
von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja
 auch 
schon
verstorben sein.

Schönen Abend
Klaus


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von:     Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An:      Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum:   11.01.2008 20:03
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes

> Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.
>
> VG
> Bärbel
>
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
> Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>
> Hallo Bärbel,
>
> hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
> Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
>  Namen
> und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
>  eine
> Familie.
>
> Viele Grüße
> Michaela
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
>  Karberg
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>
> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
>  Karberg *
> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
>
>  Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
>
> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
>  unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
>
>  Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
>  im 79. Lebensjahre.
>
>  In stiller Trauer
>
>  Johann Cordes und Frau
>  Heinz Cordes und Frau
>  Enkel und Urenkel
>
>  Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
>  Harburger Straße 75
>
>  Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
>  bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
>  Lindenstraße statt.
>
>  Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
>
>  Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren
 Informationen
>  geben
> ?
>
>  Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
>
>  Bärbel
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Margarete Cordes ...

Date: 2008/01/14 14:27:39
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
ein Hermann Schwarmann lebt heute noch in Bremen. Siehe Telefonbuch
Hermann Schwarmann, Nernstraße 52, 28357 Bremen, 0421 252319
Herzliche Grüße aus dem schönen Hamburg 
Rolf

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces+rolf.schulenburg=t-online.de(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces+rolf.schulenburg=t-online.de(a)genealogy.net] Im
Auftrag von Dieter
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 23:12
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: [HN] Margarete Cordes ...

Hallo,

habe eine neue Margarete Cordes bei mir gefunden

geb. 15 Aug 1897 in unb.
verh. in Achim mit Dietrich Schwarmann aus Sagehorn
gest. 22 Nov 1962 in Sagehorn

Sie hastte 3 Kinder ...

Johann Schwarmann
geb. 24 Feb 1932 in Sagehorn
gest. 19 Dec 1994 in unb.

Hermann Schwarmann
geb. 25 Sep 1933 in Sagehorn
gest. unb.

Annegret Schwarmann
geb. 17 Sep 1935 in Sagehorn
gest. 22 Nov 1983 in unb.

Passt diese Cordes bei Euch rein?

Gruss,
Dieter

===========================================


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dieter" <go2dieter(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:37 PM
Subject: Anne Cordes


> Hallo,
>
> bin neues Mitglied bei hannover-L.  Habe die Cordes Diskussion verfolgt. 
> Habe in meinem Stammbaum eine ...
>
> Anne Cordes
> geb. 21 Jul 1866 in Mittelsdorf b. Stade
> ver. 14 Feb 1884 in Achim mit Johann Schwarmann aus Sagehorn b. Bremen
> gest. 20 Oct 1934 in Sagehorm.
>
> Passt diese Cordes bei Euch irgendwo hinein?
>
> Gruss
> Dieter Schwarmann
> (aus Kalifornien)
>
> =====================================
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>
>
> Hallo Bärbel,
>
> wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de
> "Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km"
> dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.
> Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im 
> Umkreis
> von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja auch

> schon
> verstorben sein.
>
> Schönen Abend
> Klaus
>
>
> ----- Original Nachricht ----
> Von:     Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
> An:      Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Datum:   11.01.2008 20:03
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>
>> Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.
>>
>> VG
>> Bärbel
>>
>> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
>> Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
>> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
>> Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>>
>> Hallo Bärbel,
>>
>> hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
>> Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
>>  Namen
>> und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
>>  eine
>> Familie.
>>
>> Viele Grüße
>> Michaela
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
>> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
>>  Karberg
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
>> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>> Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>>
>> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
>>  Karberg *
>> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
>>
>>  Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
>>
>> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
>>  unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
>>
>>  Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
>>  im 79. Lebensjahre.
>>
>>  In stiller Trauer
>>
>>  Johann Cordes und Frau
>>  Heinz Cordes und Frau
>>  Enkel und Urenkel
>>
>>  Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
>>  Harburger Straße 75
>>
>>  Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
>>  bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
>>  Lindenstraße statt.
>>
>>  Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
>>
>>  Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen
>>  geben
>> ?
>>
>>  Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
>>
>>  Bärbel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's:
>> http://de.yahoo.com/set
>> ______________________________________________
>>
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>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
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Re: [HN] Cordes in Rotenber Wumme

Date: 2008/01/14 15:53:23
From: Leslie <ladez41(a)comcast.net>

Does anyone connect to this Cordes family of Rotenberg?
Leslie







1. Cord Cordes [9342], son of Johann Cordes [9981] and Anna (Nee?) Cordes [10020], was born in 1639 in Brockel, Kreis

Rotenburg (Wümme),1 died in Jan 1703 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at age 64, and was buried on 13 Jan 1703 in Brockel,

Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1

Noted events in his life were:

He worked as a Kirchenkoethner In Brockel. 1

Cord married Margaretha Belkauen [9962] [MRIN: 7091]. Margaretha was born in 1642 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),1

died on 25 Feb 1721 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at age 79, and was buried on 27 Feb 1721 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg

(Wümme).1

Children from this marriage were:

+ 2 M i. Johann Daniel Cordes [9994] was born in Nov 1673 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),2 died on 14 Nov

1742 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2 at age 69, and was buried on 16 Nov 1742 in Brockel, Kreis

Rotenburg (Wümme).1

3 F ii. Anna Maria Cordes [10250] was born in 1677,1 died on 10 Sep 1758 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at

age 81, and was buried on 12 Sep 1758 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

Second Generation (Children)

2. Johann Daniel Cordes [9994] (Cord 1) was born in Nov 1673 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),2 died on 14 Nov 1742 in

Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2 at age 69, and was buried on 16 Nov 1742 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

Noted events in his life were:

He was baptized in Nov 1673 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1 He worked as a Junkernmeier In Brockel.

Johann married Maria Hinrichs [9995] [MRIN: 7127], daughter of Johann Hinrichs [9997] and Anna Roehrs [10441], on 10 Jan

1714 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1, 2 Maria was born in Nov 1685 in Bothel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme), 1, 2 died on 10

Mar 1715 1 at age 29, and was buried on 10 Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

Noted events in her life were:

She was baptized on 29 Nov 1685 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

The child from this marriage was:

4 F i. Margaretha Cordes [9900] was born in Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme), died in Dec 1793 at age

78, and was buried on 12 Dec 1793 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

Noted events in her life were:

She was baptized on 01 Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

Margaretha married Dietrich Marten Luedemann [5148] [MRIN: 3640], son of Johann Luedemann [9980] and

Anna Lucia Meyer [9964], on 12 Nov 1739.2, 3 Dietrich was born in Sep 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg

(Wümme),1, 2 died on 15 May 1775 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2, 3 at age 59, and was buried on 17

May 1775 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1

Noted events in his life were:

He was baptized on 22 Sep 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1, 3 He worked as a KoetnerNeubauer In

Brockel,Schmied In Brockel.1 He was Lutheran.1


Re: [HN] Cordes in Rotenber Wumme

Date: 2008/01/14 17:14:26
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>

Hello Leslie,

thank`s for your ancestor data, but I don`t know it. My Cordes family lived in Rotenburg (Wümme) in the last century, and today.

Greetings
Bärbel


----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
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An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Gesendet: Montag, den 14. Januar 2008, 15:53:16 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Cordes  in Rotenber Wumme

Does anyone connect to this Cordes family of Rotenberg?
Leslie







1. Cord Cordes [9342], son of Johann Cordes [9981] and Anna (Nee?)
 Cordes 
[10020], was born in 1639 in Brockel, Kreis

Rotenburg (Wümme),1 died in Jan 1703 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg
 (Wümme) 1 
at age 64, and was buried on 13 Jan 1703 in Brockel,

Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1

Noted events in his life were:

He worked as a Kirchenkoethner In Brockel. 1

Cord married Margaretha Belkauen [9962] [MRIN: 7091]. Margaretha was
 born in 
1642 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),1

died on 25 Feb 1721 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at age 79,
 and was 
buried on 27 Feb 1721 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg

(Wümme).1

Children from this marriage were:

+ 2 M i. Johann Daniel Cordes [9994] was born in Nov 1673 in Brockel,
 Kreis 
Rotenburg (Wümme),2 died on 14 Nov

1742 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2 at age 69, and was
 buried on 
16 Nov 1742 in Brockel, Kreis

Rotenburg (Wümme).1

3 F ii. Anna Maria Cordes [10250] was born in 1677,1 died on 10 Sep
 1758 in 
Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at

age 81, and was buried on 12 Sep 1758 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg
 (Wümme). 1

Second Generation (Children)

2. Johann Daniel Cordes [9994] (Cord 1) was born in Nov 1673 in
 Brockel, 
Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),2 died on 14 Nov 1742 in

Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2 at age 69, and was buried on 16
 Nov 
1742 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

Noted events in his life were:

He was baptized in Nov 1673 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1 He
 worked 
as a Junkernmeier In Brockel.

Johann married Maria Hinrichs [9995] [MRIN: 7127], daughter of Johann 
Hinrichs [9997] and Anna Roehrs [10441], on 10 Jan

1714 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1, 2 Maria was born in Nov
 1685 in 
Bothel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme), 1, 2 died on 10

Mar 1715 1 at age 29, and was buried on 10 Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis 
Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

Noted events in her life were:

She was baptized on 29 Nov 1685 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

The child from this marriage was:

4 F i. Margaretha Cordes [9900] was born in Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis 
Rotenburg (Wümme), died in Dec 1793 at age

78, and was buried on 12 Dec 1793 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).
 1

Noted events in her life were:

She was baptized on 01 Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1

Margaretha married Dietrich Marten Luedemann [5148] [MRIN: 3640], son
 of 
Johann Luedemann [9980] and

Anna Lucia Meyer [9964], on 12 Nov 1739.2, 3 Dietrich was born in Sep
 1715 
in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg

(Wümme),1, 2 died on 15 May 1775 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme)
 1, 2, 3 
at age 59, and was buried on 17

May 1775 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1

Noted events in his life were:

He was baptized on 22 Sep 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1,
 3 He 
worked as a KoetnerNeubauer In

Brockel,Schmied In Brockel.1 He was Lutheran.1

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[HN] Bitte um Mithilfe: Hanß bzw. Conrad WIN TERBACH und andere

Date: 2008/01/14 21:59:22
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>

Guten Abend,

 

mich hat gestern ein Hilfegesuch eines Forscherkollegen aus der Franken-
bzw. Bayernliste erreicht. Er bat mich seine eMail an die Hannover-Liste
weiterzuleiten, was hiermit geschehen ist.

Bitte kontaktiert unseren Kollegen direkt. Danke.

 

Schönen Abend noch.

 

Wolfgang (Buchhorn)

Braunschweig 

 

 

Ich benutze das kameradschaftliche Du, da wir beide dem sog. „goldenen 56er
Jahrgang“ angehören 

und außerdem, wie ich sehen konnte, vom Virus der Familienforschung befallen
sind.

Ich bin Mitglied der Franken- und der Bayern-Liste und bin beim stöbern auf
der Hannover-Liste auf Deine, 

gut gemachte und informative Seite gestoßen.

 

Über die Online-OFBs und Dank der Arbeit von Herrn Hartwig Quabeck aus
Braunschweig konnte ich 

meine Vorfahren in Rothausen, das liegt im Landkreis Rhön-Grabfeld in
Unterfranken, bis zum 

16. Jahrhundert sichern.  (http://www.online-ofb.de/rothausen) 

 

Dort fand ich auch einen Spitzenahnen, der mich auf die Hannover-Liste
führte.  

Aus dem KB Rothausen:

WINTERBACH, Conradus, el, + Rothausen 29.06.1680   Sohn von Hanß Winterbach,
zur Luta(?) bey Hannover   

(Könnte evtl. Luthe, westl. v. Hannover sein) 

1650 als Paten genannt:    1.Bredem, Heinrich; 2. Stoll, Hanß; 3.
Winterbach, Conrad  alle schwedische Soldaten

 

Der Vermerk „alle schwedische Soldaten“ ließ mich im OFB weitersuchen und
das nicht nur online, ich konnte

mir auch das Original im zuständigen Pfarramt ansehen und habe folgendes
Ergebnis bzw. Vermutung.

 

 


Folgende Personen dienten Ende des 30jährigen Krieges in einem schwedischen
Regiment:

 

Jacob FITZ

1650: ‚miles svecicus‘   oo 28.11.1650 in Rothausen Ursula Hißner

 

Heinrich BREDEM (BREDEM, PREIDING) 

+ 1671

1650: ‘Schwedischer Soldat, von Braunschweig bürdig, auß dem Dorff Ütze(?)
(Uetze, Hannover Land)

 

Hanß STOLL

* 1617    + 14.10.1674 Rothausen

1650: ‚miles svecicus‘, Sohn von Hermann Stoll, ….? im Braunschweiger Land

 

Conradus WINTERBACH

+ 29.06.1680

1651:  hinterlassener Sohn von Hanß Winterbach, zur Luta(?) bey Hannover
(s.o. evtl. Luthe bei Hannover)

 

Hermann WOLCKE

* 1626  + 31.01.1650 in Irmelshausen

Vermerk im KB Rothausen - Sterberegister: 

„Ein reuter unter Ihr. Excell. Herrn Feldmarschall Wrangel Leibregiment,
Herrn Rittmeister Conrad Liebhabers 

Compagnie so den 27.Jan. nebenst noch anderen 2 alhier logirenden reutern
nacher Irmelshausen geritten, 

und auf den Abend von etlichen Inwohnern daselbst ein Sch..? im Kopff,
etlich Löcher mit ein Holzschlägel im 

Kopff und anderer mehr Schläge ins Genick bekommen, starb 31. ejusdem zu
Irmelshausen, wart den 1.Febr. 

herauf in sein quartir geführt und en 3.Febr mit einer Leichpredigt ex Jobi
7 v. 12 und mit Kriegs Ceremonien 

zur Erden bestettigt,  24 Jahr.“

 

Zu dem Regiment :

Das Leibregiment von Feldmarschall Wrangel, es wurde wahrscheinlich auch das
Blaue oder Altblaue Regiment 

genannt, wurde 1649, mit weiteren schwedischen Regimentern, aus dem
Nürnberger Land zurückgeführt und 

war einige Zeit, mindestens bis 1651, im südthüringischen und
nordfränkischen Raum stationiert und wurde 

dann dort aufgelöst. Da die schwedischen Regimenter zu dieser Zeit schon 25
Jahre und mehr im Feld standen, 

dürften sie ziemlich hohe Verluste gehabt haben und es wurden, wie ich
annehme, im Laufe der Jahre Männern 

oder Söldnern u.a. auch aus dem Hannover Land angeworben. 

 


 

Ich bin der Meinung, dass solche Entdeckungen für einen Ahnenforscher sowas
wie das „Fleisch in der Suppe“ 

sind und sicherlich auch für die Mitglieder der Hannover-Liste interessant
wären.  

Meine Bitte: würdest Du die Infos an die Hannover-Liste weiterleiten?

Falls ja, natürlich auch mit der für mich wichtigen Frage nach Hanß bzw.
Conrad WINTERBACH und einen Vermerk 

auf Herrn Quabeck, der hat ja die eigentliche Arbeit geleistet.

 

Besten Dank und noch viel Erfolg bei der Ahnenforschung.

 

Mein Gruß

 

Gerald Weiß

 

mail:  gerald.weisz(a)web.de 

 

 

Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?

Have you already visited my web page?

 

www.wbuchhorn.de

 

 


[HN] BARTELS in Hildesheim

Date: 2008/01/15 14:44:31
From: Christine Mathis-Huber <c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de>

Liebe Liste,

ich suche die Eltern und evtl. weitere Vorfahren von:

Maria Magdalena Bartels verheiratet mit Johann Conrad Cludius in Hildesheim
und wohl ihrer Schwester
Maria Margaretha Bartels 1731-1796 verheiratet mit Johann Melchior Brandis
in Hildesheim

Kinder der beiden nämlich Anna Amalia Brandis und Hermann Heimart Cludius
haben dann am 5.März 1778 in Hildesheim geheiratet, als Cousin und Cousine.

Im Voraus besten Dank für jeden Hinweis

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christine (Mathis-Huber)


[HN] Housemarks by my own cousin Karl Gustav Homeyer

Date: 2008/01/15 14:56:23
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>

Dear listeners,

More family pages are looking up their official housemark. Hausmarken.
As always ............I hope this helps in some way.
If you ever see Karl Gustav's own house mark for Homeyer I sure would like
to see it.
Here are some recent items coming available on line for family housemarks.

http://dlib.uni-rostock.de/servlets/YearbookInquiry?docid=607

Karl Gustav Homeyer (August 13, 1795 - October 20, 1874), German jurist, was
born at Wolgast in Pomerania. After studying law at the universities of
Berlin, Göttingen and Heidelberg (1813-1817), he settled as a Privatdozent,
in 1821, at the university of Berlin, where he became ordinary professor of
law in 1827.  His principal works are his edition of the Sachsenspiegel (in
3 vols, 1827, 3rd ed., 1861, containing also some other important sources of
Saxon or Low German law), which is still unsurpassed in accuracy and
sagacity of research, and his book on Die Haus- und Hofmarken (1870), in
which he has given a history of the use of trade-marks among all the
Teutonic nations of Europe, and which is full of important elucidations of
the history of law and also contains valuable contributions to the history
of art and civilization.  Wiki .org

Also:  http://www.cappelen-krefting.no/hans/housemarksnorway.htm

My best to all in the new Year
Pam Homeyer Sullivan
Little Rock AR USA



Re: [HN] Cordes in Rotenber Wumme

Date: 2008/01/15 14:57:42
From: JRodenburg <JRodenburg(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 1/14/2008 10:19:31 AM Central Standard Time, 
baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de writes:


> My Cordes family lived in Rotenburg (Wümme) in the last century, and today.
> 
> Greetings
> 

i believe there were (are?) Cordes living around Cole Camp Missouri. They may 
be vaguely connected to my Rodenburg's from Tarmstedt/Wilstedt area.

Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg
Rodenburg (Tarmstedt, Amt Rotenburg, Hannover)
Brunkhorst (Stemmen, Amt Rotenburg, Hannover)
Werner (Langen, Hesse-Darmstadt),
Steinke (Kreis Schlochau, Pommern)
Krause (Kreis Schlochau, Pommern)
Schröder (Warsow, Mecklenburg-Schwerin), 
Meyer (Eitzendorf, Kreis Hoya, Hannover)
Hinkeldey (Wechold, Kreis Hoya, Hannover)
Zum Mallen (Schierholz, Kreis Hoya, Hannover) 
Röhrdanz (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)



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Re: [HN] BARTELS in Hildesheim

Date: 2008/01/15 16:47:07
From: HeinrichMunk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

 "Christine Mathis-Huber" <mailto:c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de> schrieb:
> 
> Liebe Liste,
> 
> ich suche die Eltern und evtl. weitere Vorfahren von:
> 
> Maria Magdalena Bartels verheiratet mit Johann Conrad Cludius in Hildesheim
> und wohl ihrer Schwester
> Maria Margaretha Bartels 1731-1796 verheiratet mit Johann Melchior Brandis
> in Hildesheim
> 
> Kinder der beiden nämlich Anna Amalia Brandis und Hermann Heimart Cludius
> haben dann am 5.März 1778 in Hildesheim geheiratet, als Cousin und Cousine.
> 
> Im Voraus besten Dank für jeden Hinweis
> 
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Christine (Mathis-Huber)
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
> mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
> -- 
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition. 
> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04.01.2008 12:05
> 
> Hallo Christine, der Vater der Maria Margarethe Bartels war der bekannte Bildschnitzer Ernst Dietrich Bartels, verheiratet mit Anna Elisabeth Ernst, alles Gute Heinrich
 

Re: [HN] BARTELS in Hildesheim

Date: 2008/01/16 08:15:21
From: Christine Mathis-Huber <c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de>

Hallo Heinrich,

vielen Dank für diese prompte Antwort - aber wenn der Ernst Dietrich Bartels
ein bekannter Bildschnitzer von Barockaltären war, gibt es dann keine Daten
für ihn ?

Irgendwie entziehen sich die Bartels meinem Zugriff, obwohl ich noch von
folgendem weiß:

Joachim BARTELS, auch BARTHOLDT, wahrscheinlich in Hildesheim um 1530
geboren, gestorben in Osterrode 1609, war in Osterrode Bürger und Ratsherr .
Vor 1560 hatte er in Hildesheim seine Frau eine geb. KORENGEL geheiratet.
Beider Sohn, Hans BARTELS (ca 1575/80-1650) wird Hüttenherr zu Kamschlacken
"Schwarze Schluft" und ist Pächter der Hütte Wieda und des Blechhammers
Zorge.

Eigentlich habe ich das Gefühl, daß Bartels in Hildesheim noch nicht
ausgereizt ist.
Vielleicht können wir uns aber ansonsten über Brandis unterhalten, da Du ja
nur die Brandis Ehefrau zu kennen scheinst.

Welche und wieviel Kinder hatte denn das Paar Brandis/Bartels ?
Ich kenne:
Ernst Christian * 1751
Anna Amalia * 1756
Johann Diederich * 1758

ALso jedenfalls nochmals vielen Dank und

schöne Grüße aus Oberbayern
Christine


[HN] Jahrbücher für Stadt und Stift Hildesheim

Date: 2008/01/16 09:05:23
From: Christine Mathis-Huber <c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de>

Liebe Liste,

hat ggf. jemand Zugang zum Jahrgang 44 von 1973 der Jahrbücher für Stadt und
Stift Hildesheim und könnte mir ggf. den Artikel von Harald Pfeiffer über:
Der Bildschnitzer Ernst Dietrich Bartels aus Hildesheim (1679 - 1762) und
seine Barockaltäre  einscannen.

Im Voraus besten Dank für jedwede Hilfe

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christine (Mathis-Huber)


Re: [HN] BARTELS in Hildesheim

Date: 2008/01/16 10:37:44
From: HeinrichMunk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

 "Christine Mathis-Huber" <mailto:c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de> schrieb:
> 
> Hallo Heinrich,
> 
> vielen Dank für diese prompte Antwort - aber wenn der Ernst Dietrich Bartels
> ein bekannter Bildschnitzer von Barockaltären war, gibt es dann keine Daten
> für ihn ?
> 
> Irgendwie entziehen sich die Bartels meinem Zugriff, obwohl ich noch von
> folgendem weiß:
> 
> Joachim BARTELS, auch BARTHOLDT, wahrscheinlich in Hildesheim um 1530
> geboren, gestorben in Osterrode 1609, war in Osterrode Bürger und Ratsherr .
> Vor 1560 hatte er in Hildesheim seine Frau eine geb. KORENGEL geheiratet.
> Beider Sohn, Hans BARTELS (ca 1575/80-1650) wird Hüttenherr zu Kamschlacken
> "Schwarze Schluft" und ist Pächter der Hütte Wieda und des Blechhammers
> Zorge.
> 
> Eigentlich habe ich das Gefühl, daß Bartels in Hildesheim noch nicht
> ausgereizt ist.
> Vielleicht können wir uns aber ansonsten über Brandis unterhalten, da Du ja
> nur die Brandis Ehefrau zu kennen scheinst.
> 
> Welche und wieviel Kinder hatte denn das Paar Brandis/Bartels ?
> Ich kenne:
> Ernst Christian * 1751
> Anna Amalia * 1756
> Johann Diederich * 1758
> 
> ALso jedenfalls nochmals vielen Dank und
> 
> schöne Grüße aus Oberbayern
> Christine
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> Hallo Christine, es gibt noch mehr Kinder: Johann Christoph * 1759, Johann Carl * 1761, Justus Adolph und Johann Joachim, wir wollen uns aber nicht über die Liste unterhalten, schreibe mich privat an, alles Gute Heinrich
> -- 
> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition. 
> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04.01.2008 12:05
> 
> 
 

[HN] Kielhorn info wanted

Date: 2008/01/16 16:49:38
From: eltribs <eltribs(a)optonline.net>

I have found a new possiblity concerning my  g g grandfather
William Kielhorn b Germany ca 1840. There is a August Kielhorn  b. Jul 1835 in Marienende Hanover on ship Earnestine  April 1856 from Breman which is listed in Germans To America Index 1870-1873 on page 81. Of note that William is listed in Index 1865-1875 on page 81also. Does anyone know of a family tree for them or have access to the Book. Family oral history is that William had siblings.
Thank You
Howard Banney

Re: [HN] Kielhorn info wanted

Date: 2008/01/16 17:11:54
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

Ancestry lists the following:

 Wilh Kielhorn 5 Sep 1887 abt 1858  Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre,
France  Prussian (German)  Gellert    

 Wilhelm Kielhorn 21 May 1881 abt 1873  Antwerp, Belgium  German  De
Ruyter    

 Williams V Kielhorn 26 Jan 1955    Kindley Field,Hda    

There are several family trees with a Wilhelm Kielhorn listed, but b.
1890

Name: William Kielhorn 
Year: 1865-1875  
Place: Indiana  
Source Publication Code: 3434  
Primary Immigrant: Kielhorn, William 
Source Bibliography: AN INDEX TO INDIANA NATURALIZATION RECORDS Found in
Various Order Books of the Ninety-Two Local Courts prior to 1907.
Indianapolis: Family History Section, Indiana Historical Society, 1981.
172p.  
Page: 81  

You should be able to get a copy of the naturalization record listed
above to see if it is your William Kielhorn.

Janice Thiele Seiler

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of eltribs
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:42 AM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Kielhorn info wanted

I have found a new possiblity concerning my  g g grandfather William
Kielhorn b Germany ca 1840. There is a August Kielhorn  b. Jul 1835 in
Marienende Hanover on ship Earnestine  April 1856 from Breman which is
listed in Germans To America Index 1870-1873 on page 81. Of note that
William is listed in Index 1865-1875 on page 81also. Does anyone know of
a family tree for them or have access to the Book. Family oral history
is that William had siblings.
Thank You
Howard Banney
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[HN] Hausmarken and data transfer help from Google

Date: 2008/01/16 17:27:17
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>

Dear Listeners,

For those of you who are searching for family housemarks and crest history,
as you may already know Karl G. Homeyer (Berlin) 1800s book now available
for down load or on line.

Via Go ogle at:
German site at:

Download size is 22.5 MB and defaults to PDF Adobe.
It is in pure photo format so make sure you have upgrade your for free to
Adobe 8.1.1
Also note pure photo format will allow page search/find - but Will NOT allow
word find (in free google format download)

The first index is by region or town = example Lippe page 105; Greifswald-
Stolp; Warbelow/ Warschow; Lubeck page 56; Jeverland 380; etc.
The images are listed by Roman numeral table = example Rugen is Tafel XX

Also indexes by name within towns starts on page 375 of book
Information pages on standard occupational identity marks also available in
first 3rd of book
And useful notes on how to decipher old handwriting
Some individual family houses are noted = example Manor of Aston

Most graphics start around pages 457 and 461 on ward.
Many early trade identities of the Teutonic and others carried into family
crests
For example in my Homeyer family the hand sickle/ longbow matchlock had a
letter associated with it

Many of you will be impressed by how old your house mark symbols really are
as some are Rune based.

This has been helpful for me in researching Poland, East Germany, old
Prussia and some of my Russian family.
I found more people in one night than I found in 3 months.
Good Luck to you all and may God speed

Pam Homeyer
Little Rock AR USA central time
(hope9(a)comcast.net)









[HN] Suche

Date: 2008/01/16 18:46:03
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und -kollegen!

Kennt jemand von Euch vielleicht Trudi Lundi, die in USA leben soll und die u.a.nach Lippold in Eibenstock/Erzgebirge forscht?Ich würde gerne Ihre E-Mail-Adresse haben, oder könnte jemand den Kontakt herstellen?

Danke.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail: < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

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Re: [HN] Hausmarken and data transfer help from Google

Date: 2008/01/16 20:12:52
From: "Dr. Ralf Röhrkasten" <RRoehrkasten(a)t-online.de>

 "Pam Sullivan" <mailto:hope9(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
> Dear Listeners,
> 
> For those of you who are searching for family housemarks and crest history,
> as you may already know Karl G. Homeyer (Berlin) 1800s book now available
> for down load or on line.
> 
> Via Go ogle at:
> German site at:
> 
> Download size is 22.5 MB and defaults to PDF Adobe.
> It is in pure photo format so make sure you have upgrade your for free to
> Adobe 8.1.1
> Also note pure photo format will allow page search/find - but Will NOT allow
> word find (in free google format download)
> 
> The first index is by region or town = example Lippe page 105; Greifswald-
> Stolp; Warbelow/ Warschow; Lubeck page 56; Jeverland 380; etc.
> The images are listed by Roman numeral table = example Rugen is Tafel XX
> 
> Also indexes by name within towns starts on page 375 of book
> Information pages on standard occupational identity marks also available in
> first 3rd of book
> And useful notes on how to decipher old handwriting
> Some individual family houses are noted = example Manor of Aston
> 
> Most graphics start around pages 457 and 461 on ward.
> Many early trade identities of the Teutonic and others carried into family
> crests
> For example in my Homeyer family the hand sickle/ longbow matchlock had a
> letter associated with it
> 
> Many of you will be impressed by how old your house mark symbols really are
> as some are Rune based.
> 
> This has been helpful for me in researching Poland, East Germany, old
> Prussia and some of my Russian family.
> I found more people in one night than I found in 3 months.
> Good Luck to you all and may God speed
> 
> Pam Homeyer
> Little Rock AR USA central time
> (mailto:hope9(a)comcast.net)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
> mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 

[HN] BUCKHORN aus HANNOVER

Date: 2008/01/17 18:18:36
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>

Einen schönen guten Abend aus Braunschweig,

 

auch ich möchte Euch eines meiner Problemfälle vorstellen und hoffe, der
eine oder andere kann mir da aus der Sackgasse helfen.

 

Ich hatte es ja schon in meiner Vorstellung erwähnt, dass ich nicht nur den
Weg meiner Vorfahren verfolge, sondern auch versuche eine Spur der vielen
Buchhorn-Auswanderer zu finden. Einer dieser Auswanderer bereitet mir ein
wenig Kopfschmerzen. Es handelt sich dabei um einen John Buckhorn, der schon
als sehr junger Mann nach England gegangen ist und ca. 1847 geboren sein
muß. Verheiratet war er mit einer Sarah Annie Pulfer, die 1842 in St.
Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk, UK gebopren war. In den englischen
Volkszählungen erscheint diese Familie alle 10 Jahre und als Johns
Geburtsort wird Hannover angegeben. Ich nahm also an, dass dieser John wohl
Johann oder Johannes gehießen haben muss und dass der Familienname Buchhorn,
so wie in allen englischsprachigen Ländern, zu Buckhorn wurde. Ich war immer
der Ansicht, dass es in der Vergangenheit nie Buckhorns in Deutschland
gegeben hatte. Ich musste mich nun belehren lassen. Es wurde mir berichtet,
dass es in Vreden seit 1480 Buckhorns gegeben hat. Zwar nur wenige, aber es
gab welche. Vielleicht waren es Buckhorns, die aus England kamen. Dort gibt
es noch heute viele Buckhorns.    

 

Ich hatte mich an verschiedene Archive in Hannover gewandt, habe aber nie
irgendwelche Informationen erhalten. Man konnte einen John Buckhorn oder
auch Johann Buchhorn nicht finden. Also muss ich annehmen, dass dieser John
nicht aus der Stadt Hannover kam, sondern aus dem Königreich Hannover. Aber
welcher Ort?

Vielleicht hat jemand von Euch einen Buchhorn oder Buckhorn auf seiner Liste
stehen. Über jeden hilfreichen Rat bin ich dankbar. 

 

Ich wünsche Euch einen schönen Feierabend.

 

Wolfgang (Buchhorn)

Braunschweig

 

Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?

Have you already visited my web page?

 

www.wbuchhorn.de

 

 


Re: [HN] BUCKHORN aus HANNOVER

Date: 2008/01/17 19:43:47
From: Volker Wolters <Volker.Wolters(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Wolfgang,

wie wäre es mit dem Familiennamen BOCKHOP?

Ich habe BOCKHOP aus der Nähe von Hannover in meiner Liste

1 Johann Hinrich Bockhop * 26.12.1770 Hohenmoor † 14.07.1839 Hohenmoor
Anna Sophie Eleonore Schmidt * 22.03.1776 Steinborn † 28.05.1840 Hohenmoor

2 Johann Heinrich Bockhop * errechnet 18.01.1795 Hohenmoor † 19.08.1868 Hoyerhagen 17

Vielleicht wurde aus BOCKHOP -> BUCKHORN?

Nur so eine Idee

Viele Grüße

Volker Wolters

----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Buchhorn" <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:17 PM
Subject: [HN] BUCKHORN aus HANNOVER


Einen schönen guten Abend aus Braunschweig,



auch ich möchte Euch eines meiner Problemfälle vorstellen und hoffe, der
eine oder andere kann mir da aus der Sackgasse helfen.



Ich hatte es ja schon in meiner Vorstellung erwähnt, dass ich nicht nur den
Weg meiner Vorfahren verfolge, sondern auch versuche eine Spur der vielen
Buchhorn-Auswanderer zu finden. Einer dieser Auswanderer bereitet mir ein
wenig Kopfschmerzen. Es handelt sich dabei um einen John Buckhorn, der schon
als sehr junger Mann nach England gegangen ist und ca. 1847 geboren sein
muß. Verheiratet war er mit einer Sarah Annie Pulfer, die 1842 in St.
Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk, UK gebopren war. In den englischen
Volkszählungen erscheint diese Familie alle 10 Jahre und als Johns
Geburtsort wird Hannover angegeben. Ich nahm also an, dass dieser John wohl
Johann oder Johannes gehießen haben muss und dass der Familienname Buchhorn,
so wie in allen englischsprachigen Ländern, zu Buckhorn wurde. Ich war immer
der Ansicht, dass es in der Vergangenheit nie Buckhorns in Deutschland
gegeben hatte. Ich musste mich nun belehren lassen. Es wurde mir berichtet,
dass es in Vreden seit 1480 Buckhorns gegeben hat. Zwar nur wenige, aber es
gab welche. Vielleicht waren es Buckhorns, die aus England kamen. Dort gibt
es noch heute viele Buckhorns.



Ich hatte mich an verschiedene Archive in Hannover gewandt, habe aber nie
irgendwelche Informationen erhalten. Man konnte einen John Buckhorn oder
auch Johann Buchhorn nicht finden. Also muss ich annehmen, dass dieser John
nicht aus der Stadt Hannover kam, sondern aus dem Königreich Hannover. Aber
welcher Ort?

Vielleicht hat jemand von Euch einen Buchhorn oder Buckhorn auf seiner Liste
stehen. Über jeden hilfreichen Rat bin ich dankbar.



Ich wünsche Euch einen schönen Feierabend.



Wolfgang (Buchhorn)

Braunschweig



Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?

Have you already visited my web page?



www.wbuchhorn.de





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[HN] Hausmarken and Google help Carl G Homeyer book

Date: 2008/01/17 23:40:19
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>



weblinks

http://books.google.com/books?id=37UuAnRZoDQC

and 

http://books.google.com




Re: [HN] Suche nach BARTELS und KRITEN

Date: 2008/01/17 23:46:27
From: Jürgen Rode <j.rode(a)t-online.de>

 

 

Hallo Liste,

 

mit Interesse habe ich die Mails zu BARTELS gelesen. Da ich ebenfalls nach
Bartels suche und hier eventuell ein Zusammenhang bestehen könnte, stelle
ich hier ebenfalls eine Anfrage zu Bartels

 


 Proband

  _____  


1 BARTELS Sabina Luise Ev  * 17.12.1726 Banteln † 13.04.1799 Banteln †Urs:
Brustübel 

oo 21.10.1754 Banteln
BRUNOTTE Christoph Ev  Bödener  * 09.11.1714 Banteln † 13.11.1779 Banteln

Geschwister 

BARTELS Sophia Charlotte * 04.03.1729 Banteln 

  _____  


Generation 1

  _____  


2 BARTELS  N. Ev  Garnisons-Organist  in Hameln * um.1670 

1. oo 
N.N. Margarethe Dorothea Ev  * um.1670 † 28.05.1725 Banteln

2. oo 05.02.1726 Banteln
KRITEN Anna Eleonora Ev   * 22.11.1704 Banteln 

  _____  

3 KRITEN Anna Eleonora Ev  * 22.11.1704 Banteln 

oo 05.02.1726 Banteln
BARTELS N. Ev  Garnisons-Organist in Hameln  * um.1670 

Geschwister 

KRITEN Hinrich * 11.10.1703 Banteln 

  _____  


Generation 2

  _____  


6 KRITEN Georg Ev  Schulmeister, Organist  * um.1670 

oo um.1700 
N.N. Ev  * um.1670 

 

 

Wer kann Hinweise zu dem Garnisons-Orgnisten Bartels geben.  Ich vermute,
dass er sich um 1725 in Banteln niedergelassen. Am 15.01.1738 stirbt in
Banteln ein Mathias Bartels im Alter von 69 Jahren. Ob es sich hierbei um
die gleiche Person handelt kann ich bisher nicht belegen.

 

 

Gruß

 

 

Jürgen Rode

 


[HN] RENA

Date: 2008/01/18 02:52:26
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

Did you change your e-mail address ?



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Re: [HN] RENA

Date: 2008/01/18 05:53:26
From: Ron Bronemann <ron_bronemann(a)hotmail.com>

No.

Ron Bronemann
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Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff

Date: 2008/01/18 12:18:46
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear A. Hattorf,
 
Perhaps try search using only town name of Labuhn.  
 
Had thought that perhaps Isidor was eastern version of Theodore... but I'm not sure Isidor is feminine or masculine name.  
 
Then I thought of Teofil... which I think in English language a variation of Phil...  
 
 
Did you find this name in American church records?  Handscribe record?  
 
Perhaps recorder used his best known Latin to scribe record.
 
Take a good look at the script.  T, F, P, and sometimes even J can be hard to tell apart. 
 
To my eyes an "H" sometimes looks like a "W".
 
Old style lettering is also very hard to decifer.  
 
How would the name be spelled phoenetically?
 
What if recorder understood German Language but primary education was Polish, Russian or other... The style of hand lettering may vary.
 
Well just some thoughts.
 
Warmest,
Barbie-Lew
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Perhaps 
 
Here is many variation of given names... 
 
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/sc/oconee/misc/foreign-names.txt
 
> From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:15:11 -0500> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff> > Hi Bobby> > The shortform for Theodor is usually Theo ..... but its possible that his > full name was Theodor Franz Hattorff but i have also been looking for Franz ... > without any success.> > Armin> > > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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[HN] DAHNKEN HEINKEN BECKEMEYER HASSELHORN JANßE N RASTEDT EBBKEN

Date: 2008/01/18 16:14:22
From: Karin Heyne <karin-heyne(a)web.de>

Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder,

 

bin neu hier und suche nach Vorfahren / Familienmitglieder von:

 

Margarete Dahnken, geb. 29.05.1861 Hasbergen – gestorben Feb. 1940 in
Halstrup

 

Eltern: Johann Arnold Dahnken + Margarete Heinken aus Hasbergen

 

Karl Friedrich Beckemeyer, geb. 16.07.1838 in Burgforde verh. Mit Katharine
Hasselhorn geb. 19.04.1842 in Bokel

 

Johann Friedrich Janßen, geb. 25.05.1836 in Halstrup verh. Mit Mette Sophie
Rastedt, geb. 06.01.1843 in Bokel

 

Wilhelm Ebbken geb. 10.11.1832 in Lindern, verh. Mit Anna Marie Mittig, geb.
01.09.1832 in Lindern 

 

Gruß

Karin Schwantje

 

 


[HN] RENA - Eric Thrun

Date: 2008/01/18 18:17:06
From: Rena McCarthy <rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net>

Hi Eric,
Glad to see you are still on the list. Your email address book is months out of date. I have taken time out from Hannoverian research across the water but I'm gearing up to start again.

Cheers,
Rena
researching
Liebenberg area: FLAMME/FLEMME (Catholic).
villages near Salzgitter: Ev. Lutheran: EHLERS, GERMERS, STRÜBICH, MÖLM, REUPKE
==
From: Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:51:35 -0500>

Did you change your e-mail address
==
From: Ron Bronemann <ron_bronemann(a)hotmail.com>
No.
Ron Bronemann

[HN] Barthel

Date: 2008/01/18 19:28:01
From: DAVIDREINH <DAVIDREINH(a)aol.com>

I also have Barthel surname in my genealogy.  The oldest is Valentin  Barthel 
born abt 1780 in Strasbourg.
 
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Phone  850-474-0407
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Re: [HN] BARTELS in Hildesheim

Date: 2008/01/18 19:46:06
From: Bernd H . Siebert <berndhsiebert(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Christine!

Wenn du Gelegenheit hast, dann wirf bitte einen Blick in das Werk "Sippschaften aus Stadt und Stift Hildesheim" von Dr. Friedrich Gatzemeyer. Sie erschienen in einer Sammelbandreihe "Ahnentafeln um 1800" von 1931 bis 1942 beim Degener Verlag. In großen Bibliotheken sollten sie vorhanden sein. Darin sind reichlich Bartels/Bathels und Brandis/Brandes und auch wenige Cludius. Die Reihe ist unübersichtlich nummeriert, und die Verweise des Registers führen gelegentlich ins Leere.

Gruß
Bernd




Am 15.01.2008 um 14:44 schrieb Christine Mathis-Huber:


Liebe Liste,

ich suche die Eltern und evtl. weitere Vorfahren von:

Maria Magdalena Bartels verheiratet mit Johann Conrad Cludius in Hildesheim
und wohl ihrer Schwester
Maria Margaretha Bartels 1731-1796 verheiratet mit Johann Melchior Brandis
in Hildesheim

Kinder der beiden nämlich Anna Amalia Brandis und Hermann Heimart Cludius haben dann am 5.März 1778 in Hildesheim geheiratet, als Cousin und Cousine.

Im Voraus besten Dank für jeden Hinweis

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Christine (Mathis-Huber)

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Re: [HN] Suche nach BARTELS und KRITEN

Date: 2008/01/18 21:13:34
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Jürgen Rode,

mit Interesse habe ich die BARTELS-Mail bez. Banteln gelesen. Die
Probandin Sabina Luise BARTELS hatte ich bisher nur anonym als
"Christoph BRUNOTTES Ehefrau". Als solche war sie am 08.02.1732 in
Banteln Patin bei der Taufe von Anna Elisabeth BOCK.

Diese ist eine Vorfahrin meiner Frau. In welcher Beziehung Sabina Luise
BARTELS zu ihr steht, ist mir nicht bekannt. Können Sie etwas dazu
sagen?

BOCK ist mein hauptsächlicher Name in Banteln, dazu noch MÖLLER und
TRIESBERG. Kommen die bei Ihnen auch vor?

Ich würde mich freuen, wieder von Ihnen zu hören, und wünsche ein
schönes Wochenende.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Wilfried Petersen




[HN] Reichs-Telefonbuch von 1942 & Ritters Lexikon

Date: 2008/01/19 10:26:45
From: Bernd H . Siebert <berndhsiebert(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Liste!

Habe soeben den Katalog der Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft in Arbeit. Habe darin folgendes gefunden:

Reichs-Telefonbuch von 1942 aus DVD, enthält 5 Bände auf 6.864 Seiten ca. 2,6 Mill. Anschlüsse, inkl. Ortsregister, einschließlich der seit 1938 einkassierten Gebiete (u.a. Sudetenland, Österreich). Dazu ein Branchenverzeichnis. Kostet leider 99 €, bei der Wiss. Buchgesellschaft 69 €.

Außerdem:

Ritters geografisch-statistisches Lexikon, 9. Aufl. von 1905-1906 auf CD/DVD,
Kostet 19,90 €.

Beide Werke sind im Wilfried Bogon Verlag, Berlin, erschienen, der leider keine Website unterhält.

Nein, ich bekomme keine Provisionen!

Gruß
Bernd

Re: [HN] BUCKHORN aus HANNOVER

Date: 2008/01/19 11:23:31
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>

Schönen guten Tag, Volker,

Danke für Deinen Tip. Ich werde ihn auf alle Fälle im Auge behalten. 
Ich denke aber, die Chance ist gering eine Verbindung zu finden. Der Name Buchhorn ist auf die alte Reichsstadt Buchhorn am Bodensee (heute Friedrichshafen) zurückzuführen . . . was jedenfalls meinen Familienzweig angeht. Meine Leute stammen ursprünglich aus Ostpreußen und der allererste Buchhorn von dem alle anderen ostpreußischen Buchhorns abstammen, war ein Alrad Buchhorn, der eben aus dieser Stadt Buchhorn stammte. Das war so um 1310.
Aber in der Genealogie ist nichts unmöglich und man sagt ja nicht umsonst "Ich habe schon Pferde . . . . "

Nochmals recht herzlichen Dank für Deine Mithilfe.

Ich wünsche Dir ein schönes Wochenende.

Wolfgang (Buchhorn), Braunschweig
 

Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?
Have you already visited my web page?
 
www.wbuchhorn.de


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces+wolfgang.buchhorn=arcor.de(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces+wolfgang.buchhorn=arcor.de(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Volker Wolters
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 19:45
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] BUCKHORN aus HANNOVER

Hallo Wolfgang,

wie wre es mit dem Familiennamen BOCKHOP? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 



Re: [HN] DAHNKEN HEINKEN BECKEMEYER HASSELHORN JANßE N RASTEDT EBBKEN

Date: 2008/01/19 11:42:48
From: Marina Schlobohm <marinaschlobohm(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo Karin,
   
  mein Name ist Marina Schlobohm, geb. Dahnken. Über die Dahnken's habe ich noch nicht viel herausgefunden. Aber ich bin gerne bereit, das, was ich habe, mit dir auszutauschen. Ob wir dann miteinander verwandt sind, wird sich dann herausstellen. Melde dich, wenn du Interesse hast.
   
  Herzliche Grüße
   
  Marina 

       
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Re: [HN] DAHNKEN HEINKEN BECKEMEYER HASSELHORN JANßE N RASTEDT EBBKEN

Date: 2008/01/19 12:48:58
From: Heran60 <Heran60(a)aol.com>

Hallo Marina,
 
ich habe bei Otto Voigt den Namen DAHNKEN schon des öfteren gelesen, kann  
mich aber nicht genau erinnern wo.
Hast du vielleicht einen ungefähren Hinweis, woher deine Leute kommen  
könnten. Der Name DAHNKEN, DAHNEKEN und ähnlich taucht in der Verdener Gegend  
häufig auf.
 
Gruß 
Hermann
 
 



   

[HN] WEDEMEYER, WEDEMEIER Website Translation

Date: 2008/01/20 05:24:50
From: PD & LE Strong <plstrong(a)pnc.com.au>

Ich habe online eine deutsche Übersetzung von Kapitel 1 meines WEDEMEYER, WEDEMEIER Website gesetzt:

 http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/chapter_1_deutsch.html

Dieses Kapitel beschreibt Aufzeichnungen meiner Familie in Fredelsloh-Moringen und in Goslar, Deutschland. Ich hoffe, daß meine deutschsprechenden Verwandten wahrscheinlicher sein konnten, die Übersetzung zu lesen.

-------
I have put on-line a German translation of chapter 1 of my WEDEMEYER, WEDEMEIER Website.

http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/chapter_1_deutsch.html

This chapter describes records of my family in Fredelsloh-Moringen and Goslar, Germany. I am hoping that my German-speaking relatives might be more likely to read the translation.
--
**Philip Strong***Email:plstrong(a)pnc.com.au***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER / WEDEMEIER of Moringen-Fredelsloh, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia.
                         http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/

Re: [HN] DAHNKEN HEINKEN BECKEMEYER HASSELHORN JANßE N RASTEDT EBBKEN

Date: 2008/01/20 15:18:31
From: Marina Schlobohm <marinaschlobohm(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo Hermann,
   
  mein Ur-Urgroßvater war Johann Berend Dahnken, geb. ? in ?, verheiratet mit Anna Mathilde Mühlenfeld, geb. ? in ?. Der Sohn war Johann Friedrich Dahnken, geb. 17.12.1877 in Woltmershausen. Mehr Angaben habe ich von Johann Berend nicht, es kann daher gut sein, das er aus dieser Gegend kam. 
   
  Herzliche Grüße
   
  Marina

       
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[HN] Wedemeyer genealogy

Date: 2008/01/20 19:11:59
From: ahprovence <ahprovence(a)aol.com>

Hello to all Wedemeyers, Relatives of Wedemeyers, and Researchers:

???? I have finally managed to download most of my family information onto the free database online at www.rootsweb.com.
?? To access my family tree, find the category entitled "Family Trees (World Connect).? Click on "World Connect Main Page."? Find a box after the statement "jump to a specific database."? Into that box type the abbreviation "hafw."? This will lead you directly to my tree. Then you can type any desired surname in the box that appears under the title "The Wedemeyers of Oldenburg and New Orleans."

??????????? Sorry this process took so long!

????????????? Sincerely,??? Nicole Wedemeyer Miller
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[HN] Autentische Links zur Umstellung bei "familysearch" = Mormonen

Date: 2008/01/21 12:32:01
From: Baldur007 <Baldur007(a)aol.com>

 
Hallo und Guten Tag,
 
ich wurde von Rudolf Dietmann, Hannover, gebeten ihm bei der Abgabe zu  neuen 
Informationen der LDS-Kirche (Latter Days Saints = Mormonen) behilflich zu  
sein. Aufkündte kann ich dazu leider nicht erteilen da ich dieser Kirche nicht  
angehöre. Sie erreichen Rudolf Dietmann aber unter " _R.Dietmann(a)gmx.de_ 
(mailto:R.Dietmann(a)gmx.de)  "
 
Ich empfehle folgende Links aufzurufen und sich kundig zu machen.  Vorläufig 
haben aber nur Mitglieder der
Kirche direkten Zugang zu Daten in "new.familysearch.org",  Nichtmitglieder 
voraussichtlich ab 2009/2010.
Nur Filme können ab sofort über das Internet zum Lesen in den Lesesälen  
bestellt werden. Bis zum 29. Februar 2008 auch noch direkt dort.
 
_https://new.familysearch.org/de/action/unsec/welcome_ 
(https://new.familysearch.org/de/action/unsec/welcome) 
 
_https://new.familysearch.org/de/static/help/faqs/registration/001faq0503.htm_
 
(https://new.familysearch.org/de/static/help/faqs/registration/001faq0503.htm) 
 
_http://films.familysearch.org/_ (http://films.familysearch.org/) 
 
_http://films.familysearch.org/CustSignin.aspx_ 
(http://films.familysearch.org/CustSignin.aspx) 
 
Ich empfehle die Unterlagen einmal auszudrucken. Deutsche Sprache wählen  !
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
KARL J. FRANZ

 
 
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(Ein in den Norden verschlagener bayerischer  Franke)
Mitglied : Franken GF 1204 / Hamburg GH 4405 /  Ostdeutschland AO 3091/
Computer Genealogie Compgend 1143
Tel. 040-532 22  06 / Fax 040-531 60 441
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FRAN(T)Z ab ca. 1525 :  Hurzfurt, Gräfendorf, Zellingen, Roßbrunn, 
Mädelhoifen, Eisingen, Aschaffenburg,  Hamburg 
BREUNIG : ab 1490 Höllerbach, Breitenbrunn, Elsenfeld,  Aschaffenburg
WEBER : ab ca. 1770 Frankenthal, Mannheim,  Aschaffenburg
DÖPFNER : ab 1550 Bremenleiden (jetzt Burkardroth-Premich),  Fridritt (jetzt 
Münnerstadt), Ober-/Unterspiesheim, Kolitzheim, Wertheim,  Ladenburg, 
Aschaffenburg














   

[HN] Weyman genealogy

Date: 2008/01/21 13:26:39
From: Ali High <highab(a)dplanet.ch>

Hi, I'm a descendant of Johan Weyman b1785 supposedly in Hannover or thereabouts.... he moved to England and married Susan GARHMAN and had loads of kids... would you have any info on him?

Yours


*Alison HIGH,

**email: *highab(a)dplanet.ch* * *tel: *+ 41 32 466 23 49 *msn: *highab(a)hotmail.com* **mobile:* + 41 79 419 04 13 *
skype**: * highab*
        *
*address:* Rue Xavier-Stockmar 13, 2900 Porrentruy, Switzerland

[HN] Othfresen-38704 Liebenburg

Date: 2008/01/21 17:22:11
From: Walter Schlesinger <WSchlesinger(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
kann mir jemand bei der Suche nach Daten der Eltern von 
Heinrich Mathias Samblebe
*17.05.1754 Othfresen Liebenburg
+21,01.1833 Othfresen Liebenburg Hof Nr.21
weiter helfen.
Liebe Grüße aus Bremen.

Walter     ( Schlesinger )


Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)

Date: 2008/01/22 06:25:11
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

 
In einer eMail vom 19.01.2008 11:43:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:

Re:  Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)





Hi Barbie
 
Thanks for your thoughts. Yes i have been trying now to search for Labuhn.  
Of course you know about the misspellings in the index. I wonder what  
misspellings we will find for Labuhn ...... Lebuhn, Lebun, Lebum????? I have  been 
trying to look for POMMERN. Its unbelievable i have been changing my search  
criteria to POM* and then i found Pomern, Pommnern, Pommeraiana not to forget  all 
variations with PAM, PUM and even PIM. 
 
The idea to look for a eastern version for Theodor is not so good. Even  
today Pommern is a part of Poland .... at his time this was a part of Germany  and 
nobody did use names for kids that would sound EASTERN. His family must have  
been coming from the Kingdom of Hannover one fine day in the eastern Part of  
Germany.
 
So i think i will never find him in the shiplist.
 
Have a fine day
 
Armin



   

[HN] Zarensdorf im Lüneburgischen?

Date: 2008/01/22 07:45:43
From: Manfred <Manfred.Puffahrt(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

gibt es ein Zarensdorf im Lüneburgischen?

KB oo 1698 kaarßen: Anna Eva Schröder von Zahrensdorf im Lüneburgischen

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Manfred Puffahrt


[HN] Church parishes

Date: 2008/01/22 08:17:10
From: JOHN Illenberger <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net>

Dear Listers,

Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv?
The information listed on their web site is outdated.
I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser.
Thanks!

John Illenberger

Re: [HN] Church parishes

Date: 2008/01/22 11:50:59
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hello John,

the church parishes are at the Kirchenbuchamt Hannover:  
www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Wilfried Petersen



"JOHN Illenberger" <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net> schrieb:
> Dear Listers,
> 
> Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv?
> The information listed on their web site is outdated.
> I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser.
> Thanks!
> 
> John Illenberger



Re: [HN] Church parishes

Date: 2008/01/22 12:35:25
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear John, 

It is Kirchenbuchamt des Ev.-luth. Stadtkirchenverbandes, Hildesheimer Str.
165/167, 30173 Hannover
Email: Kirchenbuch.Staki.Hannover(a)evlka.de

Greetings

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz   

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von JOHN Illenberger
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008 08:17
An: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Church parishes

Dear Listers,

Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the
Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv?
The information listed on their web site is outdated.
I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg
am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer
ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser.
Thanks!

John Illenberger
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[HN] Forschungen in Bunde, Emden und Aurich/Ostfriesland

Date: 2008/01/22 19:50:38
From: MFox-Bochum(a)t-online.de <MFox-Bochum(a)t-online.de>

   Liebe Listenmitglieder,

   seit dem 21.1. bin ich in Eurer Liste angemeldetes Mitglied. Ich
   erhoffe mir, hier Kontakt zu Forschern zu erhalten,

   die ebenfalls in dem o.g. Gebiet forschen.

   Zunächst möchte ich mich einmal kurz vorstellen:

   Mein Name ist  MANFRED FOX. Ich bin 64 J. alt und wohne in
   Bo.-Wattenscheid im Herzen des Ruhrgebietes. Seit 1985

   befasse ich mich mit der Familienforschung. Mein Forschungsschwerpunkt
   lag bisher allerdings in Ostpreußen, da

   3 Großelterliche Zweige von dort stammen.

   Der 4. Zweig, den ich bisher zu vernachlässigen können glaubte, führt
   vom Lippischen in o.g. Region. Er wurde vor

   Jahren schon von einem Cousin meiner Mutter und dessen Frau
   bearbeitet, aber leider von Ihnen nicht ausreichend

   dokumentiert, so daß nach Ihrem Tod das Ergebnis weitgehend verloren
   ist.

   Vorrangig gilt es für mich, folgende toten Punkte zu überwinden:

   1. Mein 2-facher Urgroßvater  HENDRIK CHRISTOPHERS MÜLLER, geb. am
   17.1.1808 in Bunde b. Emden, heiratet am

       4.Mai 1840 in Kl. Borsum TETJE NONNEN DE WALL von der Insel
   Nesserland bei Emden. In den KB von Nesse und

       Kl. Borsum wird er als Lehrer bezeichnet, was auch aus den mir
   vorliegende Unterlagen der o.g. Verwandten her-

       vorgeht.

       Die Taufen zu 2 Kindern sind urkundlich belegt. Sein Sohn
   Christoph Müller, geb. 1850 in Emden, war mein Urgroß-

       vater.

       Der Lehrer/Taubstummenlehrer/Hauslehrer HENDRIK CHRISTOPH
   MÜLLER/MULLER soll (nach 1850) in einem Emder

       Kanal ertrunken sein.

       Gesucht wird von mir

       a) das Todesdatum, das in den Emder Kirchenbüchern nicht
   aufzufinden ist

       b) seine Lebensbiographie

           gibt es Lehrerverzeichnisse aus Ostfriesland, und wo sind
   diese archiviert?

   2. STOFFER HINDRIKS MÜLLER/MULDER war Kaufmann in Bunde. Heirat am
   7.2.1807 in Bunde.

       Gesucht:  Geburtsdaten, da im Traueintrag keine Altersangabe.

       Er stammte aus dem Amt Schötmar/Lippe in der Grafschaft Lippe.

       Da im KB Schötmar der FN Müller sehr zahlreich vertreten ist, ist
   eine eindeutige Zuordnung zu Eltern nicht möglich.

       Hier wäre es hilfreich zu wissen, ob die Zuwanderung zur damiligen
   Zeit dokumentiert wurde. Verwaltungsmäßig

       scheint Bunde im 18. Jhdt. zu Weener gehört haben.

   Bin über jede Zuschrift, die zur Klärung beitragen kann dankbar.

   Gruß

   Manfred Fox

[HN] Kemme and Semmen

Date: 2008/01/22 23:00:53
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Does anyone know the location of either or both of these places? The names appear in genealogy reports  I have. I googled both names and got no hits, at least not as towns or villages. Kemme was referred to in a compilation of American aircraft that flew over Germany. One entry stated that one bomber went down 2 Km north of Kemme and 8 Km from Hildesheim.
Thanks, Max

Re: [HN] Kemme and Semmen

Date: 2008/01/22 23:06:44
From: Fred Kattau <fred(a)kattslair.com>

Try maps.google.com

Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)

Date: 2008/01/23 04:56:58
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Armin,
 
I didn't mean that his parents would have given him an eastern name...but that 
the clerk documenting ship record may have. 
 
Well anyway... Another reason for suggestions is:
 
 
Minna Hattorff  Ethnicity: Freestate of Danzig, German Last Place of Residence: Danzig, Freestate of Danzig ***(Today Gdansk)Date of Arrival: Dec 01, 1923 Age at Arrival:  73y <1850>  Gender:  F    Marital Status:  M   Ship of Travel: Estonia Port of Departure: Danzig**** Manifest Line Number: 0006  Additional Information Birthplace - Labun Destination - Chicago, Illinois **********
U.S. Contact - Brother i. l. Paul Sachar, 418 Erie St. Chicago, IL. ****
Foreign Contact - Son i.l.  - Mrs.?/ Mr. S Hattorf?, Ulmenweg 13, Free State of Danzig.****
 
---------------------------------------------------
 
HATTORF, Hedwig & MarthaShip Morovia 18.May.1886 - Birthplace Labuhn*
Hedwig - Age 26Martha - Age 31(Spelled Huttorf Castlegarden.org) I have copy the hand script page. 
---------------------
Marriage
SCHRAMM, PAUL   & HATTORFF, HEDWIG  *******      
10/19/1886         00107745 COOK  (Hedwig Hattorff-Schramm)
 
MarriageHERTING, LOUIS    &     HATTORF, MARTHA  *****                 10/23/1886    00107893 COOK 
 
DeathHERTING, LOUIS  (Martha Hattorf Widow) 01/25/1893 CHICAGO  37 YR U   00006951 COOK  
 
MARRIAGESACHER, PAUL A H                     HERTING, MARTHA (MRS) ****    01/24/1899    /     287261   COOK  [Martha Hattorf-Herting-Sacher]         ----------------------------
SCHRAMM 1900 CENSUS IL  COOK  MAINE TWP  ***  Series: T623  Roll: 293  Page: 192 Paul- Birth - June 1854????  Hedwig - Birth - April 1860 ******GermanyMargaret?- Birth - October 1892 - WisconsinAnna - Birth -  Jan. 1890 -  Wisconsin 
----------------------------------SCHRAMM 1910 CENSUSIL  COOK  MAINE TWP Series: T624  Roll: 239  Page: 66 Paul- 55 - Nat. 1882 - GermanyHedwig- 50 - Germany - 4 births - 2 children living Margaret - 17 - WisconsinAnna not listed in hh. ** Perhaps was on next page and I missed. 
 
----------------------------
DANZIG - Gdansk ****1815-1871: Kingdom of Prussia *** <1850> (Minna Birth)1871-1918: German Reich (German Empire) <1886> (Hedwig & Martha Travel)1918-1939: Free City of Danzig **** <1923> (Minna Travel)
---------------
Maybe look for Theodore departing from Port of Danzig.  
------------
Perhaps baptismal record says Theodore Herting?? Martha Hattorf first Husband was a Louis Herting according to ILLMarriage Index.
 
Warmest,
Barbie-Lew
 
> From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:25:00 -0500> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)> > > In einer eMail vom 19.01.2008 11:43:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:> > Re: Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)> > > > > > Hi Barbie> > Thanks for your thoughts. Yes i have been trying now to search for Labuhn. > Of course you know about the misspellings in the index. I wonder what > misspellings we will find for Labuhn ...... Lebuhn, Lebun, Lebum????? I have been > trying to look for POMMERN. Its unbelievable i have been changing my search > criteria to POM* and then i found Pomern, Pommnern, Pommeraiana not to forget all > variations with PAM, PUM and even PIM. > > The idea to look for a eastern version for Theodor is not so good. Even > today Pommern is a part of Poland .... at his time this was a part of Germany and > nobody did use names for kids that would sound EASTERN. His family must have > been coming from the Kingdom of Hannover one fine day in the eastern Part of > Germany.> > So i think i will never find him in the shiplist.> > Have a fine day> > Armin> > > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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[HN] Fredelsloh - Paland

Date: 2008/01/23 09:06:38
From: Stefanie Illig <s.illig(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo,

ich bin neu auf dieser Seite. Mein Name ist Stefanie Illig, ich wohne in Mönchengladbach. Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Paland, die Familie stammt aus Fredelsloh / Moringen. Mein Spitzenahn bisher ist: Johann Gottlieb Paland, geb. 7.5.1767, gest. 7.4.1814. Ich habe noch einige weitere Palands, die ich bisher noch nicht in einen Zusammenhang bringen kann. Wer weiß etwas darüber oder forscht auch in Fredelsloh ? In welchen Archiven wird man am besten fündig, die Kirchenbücher sollen zum großen Teil im Krieg verbrannt sein !?

Viele Grüße

Stefanie

Re: [HN] Fredelsloh - Paland

Date: 2008/01/23 10:50:42
From: genealogie <genealogie(a)klauskunze.com>

Schauen Sie mal
hier http://www.wilfried-hartje.de/
und klicken dann auf Genealolgie.

Klaus Kunze
Lange Straße 28
37170 Uslar
Tel.: 05574-944676, 0171-6211075
Fax: 05571-6327
Email: Genealogie(a)KlausKunze.com
http://www.KlausKunze.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefanie Illig" <s.illig(a)yahoo.de>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: [HN] Fredelsloh - Paland


Hallo,

ich bin neu auf dieser Seite. Mein Name ist Stefanie Illig, ich wohne in Mönchengladbach. Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Paland, die Familie stammt aus Fredelsloh / Moringen. Mein Spitzenahn bisher ist: Johann Gottlieb Paland, geb. 7.5.1767, gest. 7.4.1814. Ich habe noch einige weitere Palands, die ich bisher noch nicht in einen Zusammenhang bringen kann. Wer weiß etwas darüber oder forscht auch in Fredelsloh ? In welchen Archiven wird man am besten fündig, die Kirchenbücher sollen zum großen Teil im Krieg verbrannt sein !?

Viele Grüße

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Re: [HN] Kemme and Semmen

Date: 2008/01/23 12:44:27
From: Hans Foerstemann <Hans.Foerstemann(a)T-Online.de>

"Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)charter.net> schrieb:
> Does anyone know the location of either or both of these places? The names appear in genealogy reports  I have. I googled both names and got no hits, at least not as towns or villages. Kemme was referred to in a compilation of American aircraft that flew over Germany. One entry stated that one bomber went down 2 Km north of Kemme and 8 Km from Hildesheim.
> Thanks, Max
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Hy Max

A place called "Kemme" is now part of the village "Schellerten", which is about 10 km east of "Hildesheim" on Nat. Route B1.

"Semmen" is unknown to me. Could it be "Semmenstedt", which is about 15 km south-east of "Wolfenbuettel" on Nat. Route 79, direction "Halberstadt"?

Kind regards

Hans Foerstemann

Re: [HN] Kemme and Semmen

Date: 2008/01/23 16:42:56
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Thank you Hans. The location of Kemme coincides with what I have and I believe 'Semme" is a mistranslation of Kemme. 
Max




---- Hans Foerstemann <Hans.Foerstemann(a)T-Online.de> wrote: 
> "Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)charter.net> schrieb:
> > Does anyone know the location of either or both of these places? The names appear in genealogy reports  I have. I googled both names and got no hits, at least not as towns or villages. Kemme was referred to in a compilation of American aircraft that flew over Germany. One entry stated that one bomber went down 2 Km north of Kemme and 8 Km from Hildesheim.
> > Thanks, Max
> > ______________________________________________
> > 
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> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > 
> 
> Hy Max
> 
> A place called "Kemme" is now part of the village "Schellerten", which is about 10 km east of "Hildesheim" on Nat. Route B1.
> 
> "Semmen" is unknown to me. Could it be "Semmenstedt", which is about 15 km south-east of "Wolfenbuettel" on Nat. Route 79, direction "Halberstadt"?
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Hans Foerstemann
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Re: [HN] Kemme and Semmen

Date: 2008/01/23 17:51:47
From: Michael Spanuth <michael.spanuth(a)t-online.de>

Kemmen is a small village (postal code 31174) a few miles north east of the
city of Hildesheim at the  transit road No. 1 from Hildesheim to the city of
Braunschweig.
I couldn't find Semmen but Semmenstedt (postal 38327) near cities of
Wolfsburg and Braunschweig.

Regards
Michael (Spanuth), Hamburg.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Max Burgdorf
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008 22:59
An: Burgdorf Search
Betreff: [HN] Kemme and Semmen

Does anyone know the location of either or both of these places? The names
appear in genealogy reports  I have. I googled both names and got no hits,
at least not as towns or villages. Kemme was referred to in a compilation of
American aircraft that flew over Germany. One entry stated that one bomber
went down 2 Km north of Kemme and 8 Km from Hildesheim.
Thanks, Max
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Re: [HN] Fredelsloh - Paland

Date: 2008/01/24 03:45:29
From: PD & LE Strong <plstrong(a)pnc.com.au>

Die Aufzeichnungen von Moringen-Fredelsloh sind in das Kirchenbuchamt Hannover, Hildesheimer Str 165/167, D - 30173 Hannover auf Mikrofilm übertragen worden und gelegt worden....
http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Ich bin von jedem möglichem Abstand in den Fredelsloh Aufzeichnungen wegen des Feuers ahnungslos. Ich hoffe zweifellos, daß es keinen Abstand gibt.

Jedoch sind die Moringen Kircheaufzeichnungen - Taufen, Verbindungen und Beerdigungen - von 1794, mit frühen Aufzeichnungen von 1601-1638 nur vorhanden. Die intervenierenden Aufzeichnungen lagen vermutlich an einem Feuer verlorenes. Jedoch sind die Bestätigung Listen von 1728 vorhanden und geben uns Informationen über die Kinder folglich, die von ca. geboren werden, 1714 vorwärts.

----
ENGLISH:
The records from Moringen-Fredelsloh have been microfilmed and placed in the Kirchenbuchamt Hannover, Hildesheimer Str. 165/167, D - 30173 Hannover, http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

I am unaware of any gap in the Fredelsloh records due to fire. I certainly hope that there is no gap.

However, the Moringen church records - baptisms, marriages and burials - are only available from 1794, with early records from 1601-1638. The intervening records were probably lost due to a fire. However, the confirmation lists are available from 1728 and thus give us information on children born from approx. 1714 onwards.

--------------
23/1/08, Stefanie Illig schrieb
DEUTSCH:
ich bin neu auf dieser Seite. Mein Name ist Stefanie Illig, ich wohne in Mönchengladbach. Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Paland, die Familie stammt aus Fredelsloh / Moringen. Mein Spitzenahn bisher ist: Johann Gottlieb Paland, geb. 7.5.1767, gest. 7.4.1814. Ich habe noch einige weitere Palands, die ich bisher noch nicht in einen Zusammenhang bringen kann. Wer weiß etwas darüber oder forscht auch in Fredelsloh ? In welchen Archiven wird man am besten fündig, die Kirchenbücher sollen zum großen Teil im Krieg verbrannt sein !?
----
ENGLISH:
I am new on this mailing list. My name is Stefanie Illig, I live in Moenchengladbach. My grandmother's maiden name was PALAND, The family originated from Fredelsloh/Moringen. The earliest ancestor which I have found so far is: Johann Gottlieb PALAND, b. 7.5.1767, d. 7.4.1814. I have found other PALANDs, but I don't know the nature of their relationship. Can someone advise me about researching in Fredelsloh? Which archives will give the best result, since most of the church records have been burnt during the war?

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                         http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/

[HN] Church parishes

Date: 2008/01/25 01:33:59
From: Rena McCarthy <rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net>

Hi John,
Have you seen that the Morman church have some Salzgitter films. You can search the catalogue either by 'keyword' or 'place' on this webpage:-

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp The website gives details of nearest Morman Family History Centres.

The church archive below holds copies of the Salzgitter area church books.

Ev.- Luth. Landeskirche in Braunschweig
Landeskirchliches Archiv
Ditrich-Bonhoeffer-Str. 1, 38300 Wolfenbüttel
Postfach 1664, 38286 Wolfenbüttel
Tel. 05331/802-197, Fax 05331/802-710
E-Mail: archiv(a)luth-braunschweig.de
Web: www.luth-braunschweig.de

Happy Hunting,
Rena in England
=
From: "JOHN Illenberger" <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net>
Subject: To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>

Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the
Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv?
The information listed on their web site is outdated.
I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg
am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer
ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser.
Thanks!
John Illenberger

Re: [HN] Church parishes

Date: 2008/01/25 01:56:47
From: JOHN Illenberger <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net>

I want to thank all of you for your help! Before posting my message, I sent an e-mail to archiv(a)evlka.de but I got an error message saying the address wasn't recognized by the server, but I sent the e-mail again yesterday and it was sent/ I don't know what the problem was

John Illenberger
Crofton, Maryland (USA)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rena McCarthy" <rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: [HN] Church parishes


Hi John,
Have you seen that the Morman church have some Salzgitter films.  You can
search the catalogue either by 'keyword' or 'place' on this webpage:-

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp   The website
gives details of nearest Morman Family History Centres.

The church archive below holds copies of the Salzgitter area church books.

Ev.- Luth. Landeskirche in Braunschweig
Landeskirchliches Archiv
Ditrich-Bonhoeffer-Str. 1, 38300 Wolfenbüttel
Postfach 1664, 38286 Wolfenbüttel
Tel. 05331/802-197, Fax 05331/802-710
E-Mail: archiv(a)luth-braunschweig.de
Web: www.luth-braunschweig.de

Happy Hunting,
Rena in England
=
From: "JOHN Illenberger" <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net>
Subject: To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>

Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the
Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv?
The information listed on their web site is outdated.
I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg
am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer
ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser.
Thanks!
John Illenberger

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[HN] Neumärkische Leichenpredigten in der Bibli othek der Marienkirche Frankfurt/Oder

Date: 2008/01/25 12:24:21
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>

hallo Listies,
Meine Forschungen in Bezug auf Auswanderer haben mir wieder einige
Artikel mit Namenslisten von Auswanderern gebracht, die ich gerne auch
anderen zur Verfügung stellen möchte.
Die verschiedenen Artikel habe ich im Original als djvu-Datei oder
pdf-Datei auf meiner Homepage bereitgestellt.
Die Seiten findet ihr unter:
http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/html/auswanderer.html
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer [Dörry]

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[HN] Neumärkische Leichenpredigten in der Bibli othek der Marienkirche Frankfurt/Oder

Date: 2008/01/25 12:57:10
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>

hallo Listies,
Sorry, hatte Betreff nicht geändert.

Meine Forschungen in Bezug auf Auswanderer haben mir wieder einige
Artikel mit Namenslisten von Auswanderern gebracht, die ich gerne auch
anderen zur Verfügung stellen möchte.
Die verschiedenen Artikel habe ich im Original als djvu-Datei oder
pdf-Datei auf meiner Homepage bereitgestellt.
Die Seiten findet ihr unter:
http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/html/auswanderer.html
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer [Dörry]

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[HN] Auswanderer-Forschung

Date: 2008/01/25 12:58:17
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>

hallo Listies,
Meine Forschungen in Bezug auf Auswanderer haben mir wieder einige
Artikel mit Namenslisten von Auswanderern gebracht, die ich gerne auch
anderen zur Verfügung stellen möchte.
Die verschiedenen Artikel habe ich im Original als djvu-Datei oder
pdf-Datei auf meiner Homepage bereitgestellt.
Die Seiten findet ihr unter:
http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/html/auswanderer.html
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer [Dörry]

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Fax: 01212-6-724-63-7363
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http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/










[HN] Landeskirche address Band 50, Eintrag 48

Date: 2008/01/25 20:16:11
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>

Dear Listeners and John Illenberger            johnillenberger at
verizon.net

For Lutherische kirche Hannover Salzgitter Nienburg Kreymeyer am Wese
copies of church records pertaining to Kreymeyer
and
Where to find ...correct address (and e-mail address) for the
Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv?
The information listed on their web site is outdated.

Please see -- Extensive church information dated 2004 at German site
http://www.archive.nrw.de/archivar/2004-02/Archivar_2004-2.pdf

My German is too poor to direct you to the exact page.  Good Luck,

Pam Homeyer Sullivan
Arkansas USA

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Re: [HN] Landeskirche address

Date: 2008/01/25 20:55:36
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hello,

the E-Mail address for the church records is

www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Regards
Wilfried (Petersen)


"Pam Sullivan" <hope9(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
> Dear Listeners and John Illenberger            johnillenberger at
> verizon.net
> 
> For Lutherische kirche Hannover Salzgitter Nienburg Kreymeyer am Wese
> copies of church records pertaining to Kreymeyer
> and
> Where to find ...correct address (and e-mail address) for the
> Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv?
> The information listed on their web site is outdated.
> 



Re: [HN] Landeskirche address

Date: 2008/01/26 01:22:03
From: JOHN Illenberger <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net>

Wilfried, this web site is where I sent the e-mail from - both times!

John Illenberger
----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Landeskirche address


Hello,

the E-Mail address for the church records is

www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Regards
Wilfried (Petersen)


"Pam Sullivan" <hope9(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
Dear Listeners and John Illenberger            johnillenberger at
verizon.net

For Lutherische kirche Hannover Salzgitter Nienburg Kreymeyer am Wese
copies of church records pertaining to Kreymeyer
and
Where to find ...correct address (and e-mail address) for the
Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv?
The information listed on their web site is outdated.



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[HN] Short translation help

Date: 2008/01/26 05:47:02
From: rwrede(a)juno.com <rwrede(a)juno.com>

Viele Gruesse!

I have a genealogy of Familie Wrede from Stinstedt back to 1638.  On the sheet there is a phrase 'Martin Wrede als Inhaber eines Vollhofes.  I'm not too clear as to how to translate Vollhofes.  If I split the word, the phrase would mean something like 'as a holder of a complete or full farmyard.'  Am I correct?

Danke
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Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)

Date: 2008/01/26 05:48:48
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Armin,
 
Came upon in the online Illinois Death Index.  Of course this Theodore if age is correct in the index..would have been born circa 1837.  And of course the surname is different but I think would appear similar to Hattorff in hand scribe records. 
 
HALDORFF, THEODORE C 
 





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Warmest,
Barbie-Lew
 

 



> From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:25:00 -0500> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)> > > In einer eMail vom 19.01.2008 11:43:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:> > Re: Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)> > > > > > Hi Barbie> > Thanks for your thoughts. Yes i have been trying now to search for Labuhn. > Of course you know about the misspellings in the index. I wonder what > misspellings we will find for Labuhn ...... Lebuhn, Lebun, Lebum????? I have been > trying to look for POMMERN. Its unbelievable i have been changing my search > criteria to POM* and then i found Pomern, Pommnern, Pommeraiana not to forget all > variations with PAM, PUM and even PIM. > > The idea to look for a eastern version for Theodor is not so good. Even > today Pommern is a part of Poland .... at his time this was a part of Germany and > nobody did use names for kids that would sound EASTERN. His family must have > been coming from the Kingdom of Hannover one fine day in the eastern Part of > Germany.> > So i think i will never find him in the shiplist.> > Have a fine day> > Armin> > > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Re: [HN] Short translation help

Date: 2008/01/26 06:50:00
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>

Hi richard,

You are right. Your ancestor rent the farm by "Meierrecht".

Bernd

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Viele Gruesse!

I have a genealogy of Familie Wrede from Stinstedt back to 1638. On the sheet there is a phrase 'Martin Wrede als Inhaber eines Vollhofes. I'm not too clear as to how to translate Vollhofes. If I split the word, the phrase would mean something like 'as a holder of a complete or full farmyard.' Am I correct?

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[HN] AIDA archives

Date: 2008/01/26 07:07:19
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>

At first AIDA to search  emmigration archives of Hamburg.  Would one of you be so kind to send along the link or address to this website. I lost all my "favorites and book marks"
 
Thank you
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Re: [HN] AIDA archives

Date: 2008/01/26 12:31:19
From: Nikolaus Ordemann <i.u.n.ordemann(a)unitybox.de>

jo,
At first AIDA to search  emmigration archives of Hamburg.  Would one of you be so kind to send along the link or address to this website. I lost all my "favorites and book marks"
here it is:
http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/
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Re: [HN] Theodore Hattorf (Barbie)

Date: 2008/01/26 14:15:05
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>

Hi Barbie
 
Thanks for your help. Yes unfortunately this Theodore Haldorff is 20 years  
too young, but you are right. Haldorff would be a perfect misspelling for  
Hattorff. Usually in Germany they spell it as Hattdorf or something like  that.
 
And the question is of course .... did Theodore ever came back to  Germ
any???? His year of birth is about 1818, so he was 72 years old as he came  to the 
USA as a visitor. It would be no big surprise finding him buried in  Illinois, 
but where???? perhaps in Cook, Chicago area.
 
I will try a thousands time to find him in the shiplist i have tried all  and 
i have even been looking the complete ship list of the year 1890. I cant  
find him.
 
Have a fine weekend
 
Armin
 
By the way the Ilinois death index.... do they have it at  ancestry.com???
 



   

[HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2008/01/26 14:24:18
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Liste,
kann mir jemand bei der Suche nach den Daten der Eltern von Richard Robert Albert Buchterkirchen
      * 03.08.1899  Astfeld - Goslar
     + 30.08.1969  Hahausen - Seesen
weiter helfen.
Gruß Klaus Kunze





[HN] Hemme/Helms aus der Südheide

Date: 2008/01/26 15:03:56
From: Heiko Ahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Moin,

ich bin neu in der Liste. Ich wohne in Oldenburg i.O., wo auch die meisten meiner Vorfahren herkommen. Ein kleinerer Teil der Ahnen stammt aus Ostfriesland - und eben einige aus dem Hannöverschen.


Heute suche ich Näheres zu Vorfahren und Verwandten von

Heinrich Christoph Dietrich Hemme, geb. 18.4.1863 in Marbostel b. Wietzendorf, gest. 19.2.1919 in Wietzendorf. Seine Eltern waren wohl Peter Hemme, Häusling in Marbostel, und Catharine Marie Helms.

Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht

Heiko Ahlers

[HN] Dear List

Date: 2008/01/26 17:43:39
From: JoyceKLeMayLoden <JoyceKLeMayLoden(a)aol.com>


Dear List,
 
 
We are the descendants of Joshua Dederick or Jochim Dietrick or  Dieterick 
Lohden or Looten, he was born 24 Apr 1789 in Badenstedt.  Electorate of 
Hannover, Deutshland. 
 
from LDS we thought he was born in Germany in 1784 and married Sarah  Hogg 
born 6 if Feb 1796.
 
Joshua  Lohden was born in 1820, in London, Middlesex, England. He  came to 
USA in early 1800. in 1860 Roane Co,Tn census our Charlie Francis  Lohden/Loden 
was born in 1853. 
 
 
He was Christening; 26 Apr. 1789 , Zeven, Electorate of Hannover,  Deutshland.
 am i in the right place?
 
Thank you,
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Re: [HN] Dear List

Date: 2008/01/26 18:22:00
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

Joyce Loden,

Badenstedt was in the parish of Zeven. I have access to the LDS microfilm of
the Zeven church records. Is there something I can look up for you? It looks
like you have birth and baptismal dates.

Paul Scheele

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> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of JoyceKLeMayLoden(a)aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:29 AM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: [HN] Dear List
> 
> 
> 
> Dear List,
> 
> 
> We are the descendants of Joshua Dederick or Jochim Dietrick or  Dieterick
> Lohden or Looten, he was born 24 Apr 1789 in Badenstedt.  Electorate of
> Hannover, Deutshland.
> 
> from LDS we thought he was born in Germany in 1784 and married Sarah  Hogg
> born 6 if Feb 1796.
> 
> Joshua  Lohden was born in 1820, in London, Middlesex, England. He  came
> to
> USA in early 1800. in 1860 Roane Co,Tn census our Charlie Francis
> Lohden/Loden
> was born in 1853.
> 
> 
> He was Christening; 26 Apr. 1789 , Zeven, Electorate of Hannover,
> Deutshland.
>  am i in the right place?
> 
> Thank you,
> Joyce Loden
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Dear List

Date: 2008/01/26 19:33:08
From: Uli GMX <UBudler(a)gmx.de>

Dear Joyce,
I send you the informations about you ancesters.
It is a word doc.
Many greatings Uli from Achim



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Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: [HN] Dear List




Dear List,


We are the descendants of Joshua Dederick or Jochim Dietrick or  Dieterick
Lohden or Looten, he was born 24 Apr 1789 in Badenstedt.  Electorate of
Hannover, Deutshland.

from LDS we thought he was born in Germany in 1784 and married Sarah  Hogg
born 6 if Feb 1796.

Joshua  Lohden was born in 1820, in London, Middlesex, England. He  came to
USA in early 1800. in 1860 Roane Co,Tn census our Charlie Francis Lohden/Loden
was born in 1853.


He was Christening; 26 Apr. 1789 , Zeven, Electorate of Hannover, Deutshland.
am i in the right place?

Thank you,
Joyce Loden



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Re: [HN] Dear List

Date: 2008/01/26 19:34:33
From: Uli GMX <UBudler(a)gmx.de>

Hi Joyce, I forgot the document. Sorry!!!!
Uli


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Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 5:29 PM
Subject: [HN] Dear List




Dear List,


We are the descendants of Joshua Dederick or Jochim Dietrick or  Dieterick
Lohden or Looten, he was born 24 Apr 1789 in Badenstedt.  Electorate of
Hannover, Deutshland.

from LDS we thought he was born in Germany in 1784 and married Sarah  Hogg
born 6 if Feb 1796.

Joshua  Lohden was born in 1820, in London, Middlesex, England. He  came to
USA in early 1800. in 1860 Roane Co,Tn census our Charlie Francis Lohden/Loden
was born in 1853.


He was Christening; 26 Apr. 1789 , Zeven, Electorate of Hannover, Deutshland.
am i in the right place?

Thank you,
Joyce Loden



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Re: [HN] Dear List

Date: 2008/01/26 19:45:32
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>

Uli GMX schrieb:
Hi Joyce, I forgot the document. Sorry!!!!
Uli



Hello Uli GMX

it is not possible to send attachments via the list. You have to send it either directly to Joyce or you have to copy the content to the mail body

hth

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Re: [HN] Henry (Heinrich) Kasten

Date: 2008/01/26 20:59:33
From: Jim Mark <jmark(a)comcast.net>

I am looking for any information and pedigree of Henry (Heinrich) Kasten who
was born in 1825 in Hannover, Germany.  We don't know any particular city or
location.  He emigrated to America sometime before 1857 and ended up in St.
Louis Missori.  He was married and wife's name was Elizabeth (Elizabetha).
They had nine children, Henry, Anna, Charles, Louis, Grace, Emily, William,
Gustave, and Edward.  

 

If you have any information relative to this family please reply.  

 

 

Thanks

 

Jim


[HN] Suche nach Wienecke

Date: 2008/01/27 00:11:39
From: Markus Wienecke <info(a)mwnetwork.de>

Sehr geehrte Forscherkollegen,

ich bin bei meinen Forschungen an einem Punkt angelangt, wo ich eure Hilfe
brauche. Die Spur meines Vorfahren Georg Christian (Christoph) Wienecke
verliert sich vor 1771 in Brandenburg.

Er lebte von 1771, seiner 2. Trauung, bis zu seinem Tode 1792 in Toppel /
Prignitz. Er ist aber vorher in der Gegend nicht verzeichnet. Einen Hinweis
auf den Geburtsort oder die Eltern gibt es nicht. Die Angaben zu seinem
Geburtsdatum sind ebenfalls nicht ganz klar. Er muss aber in der Zeit
zwischen 1722 und 1728 geboren sein.

Es wurden bereits viele Kirchenbücher der betreffenden Gegend ohne Erfolg
durchsucht. Über die Mailinglisten Brandenburg und Sachsen-Anhalt habe ich
auch nichts erreicht. Möglicherweise hat jemand hier in seiner Ahnenliste
oder einer Nebenlinie meine gesuchte Person. Ich bin für jeden Hinweis
dankbar.

Vielen Dank im Voraus.

Grüße Markus Wienecke aus Bayern

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[HN] Bruer from Baddeckenstedt

Date: 2008/01/27 03:43:20
From: Steve Bruer <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net>

Like many others, I am trying to find the provenance of an ancestor. I've been working on this in my spare time for a little over a year and it's been a lot of fun. 

The ancestor I am researching is my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer.  He emigrated from Hannover to St. Louis, Missouri in 1849. Two years later he married Sophia Haunold and took up residence at 1314 Benton Street, on the north side of the City of St. Louis, Missouri, where they lived until Heinrich's death in 1904.

I have a copy of a sheet from the "Register of Deaths for the City of St. Louis" for 23 February 1868, which indicates an Andreas Bruer, born in Germany, died at the age 72, passed away while living at 1314 Benton Street, St. Louis, Missouri...the residence of my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. This Andreas Bruer is old enough to be Heinrich's father.

I also have a copy of a page from "Auswanderelisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums, Braunschweig, 1846-1871" by Fritz Gruhne that lists the following:

" Bruer   Andreas, Brinksitzer in Baddeckenstedt, Sohn des Brinksitzer Andreas Bruer und der Dorothee Dowe, married Oelber 16.11.1851 mit Wittkop, Joh. Sophie Elisabeth, born 2.12.1824, Tochter des Kotsassen Heinrich Wittkop und der Friederike Huter. Deren Kinder: 'lists their children and their birthdates'".

I also have a copy of the passenger list that has Andreas Bruer (the son) and his family arriving in New York on 11 Jun 1867.  Andreas (Andrew) and his family are listed in the 1870 US Census living is St. Louis, Missouri.  In the Census, this Andreas is listed as being 49 years old.  Maybe Heinrich's brother? The "St. Louis City Directory for 1870" lists Andrew Bruer living at 1311 Benton Street, which is across the street from Heinrich Bruer. The website for the Western Lutheran Cemetery in St. Louis lists an Andreas Bruer and Sophia Bruer buried there on 22 Feb 1888 and 07 Mar 1897, respectively. 

So, I think it is reasonable to hypothesize (for purposes of my research) that the elder Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's father and the younger Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's brother.

My question to the list members is:  What records should I look to in the Baddeckenstedt/Wolfenbuttel/Braunschweig area that might provide proof that the Andreas's and Heinrich are related? Which I hope could also indicate that Heinrich Bruer is from Baddeckenstedt.

Thanks!

Steve Bruer

[HN] Looking for name of parent's

Date: 2008/01/27 06:37:26
From: DKnoepfel <DKnoepfel(a)aol.com>

This is not Hannover but in Hinterpommern.  I hope someone may be able  to 
help.
Marie Caroline Frederike Wilm was born 8 March 1853 in  Belgard, 
Hinterpommern, baptized on 17 March 1853.  I would like to lean  the name of her parent's. 
It is possible her father was Johann  Wilm.   I would be grateful for any 
help.  Thank you
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[HN] Polizei-Kommissar FUHSE in Hannover gesucht

Date: 2008/01/27 11:22:02
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,

möglicherweise eine Frage an die Militär-Experten;
aus einem Brief von 1928 habe ich folgende Information
(Text in [] von mir ergänzt):

| Ich weiß nicht genau, ob der Böttcher Friedrich Fuhse
| [* Westerhof, 14.11.1810, + daselbst am 27.1.1888] ein
| Bruder war von unseren Großvater
| [Christian Heinrich Ludolf Fuhse, * Westerhof am 2.3.1808,
| + daselbst am 22.6.1851], denn der frühere Polizei
| Commissar in Hannover, war unseres Vaters Onkel.
| Wie der Kommisar in seinen jungen Jahren in Goslar bei
| Den Jägern diente / 48 auch den Feldzug in Holstein
| mitmachte, ist Tante Ferdinande mit der alten Großmutter
| Fuhse oft nach Goslar gegangen und ihm Wäsche hingebracht,
| mußten dann 6 Stunden marschieren, wie Sie erzählte.

Ja, damals konnte man nicht einfach ins Auto oder den Bus steigen ;-))

Ich suche alle Informationen zu dem genannten Kommissar, auch zu seiner Dienstzeit bei den Goslarer Jägern.

Gruß aus Schleswig-Holstein

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[HN] Hinweis auf meine neue HP

Date: 2008/01/27 11:48:47
From: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

 

ich erlaube mir, auf meine neu eingestellte Homepage hinzuweisen.

Unter „ Familie“ findet man einen Link, unter dem alle, bei mir vorhandenen
Familiennamen sowie weiterführende Links, veröffentlicht sind.

Derzeit besteht die Darstellung aus rund 23.000 Personen und 7.000
Familiennamen.

 

Viele Grüße

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[HN] Lohden/Loden/Looten/Laehden

Date: 2008/01/27 15:01:15
From: JoyceKLeMayLoden <JoyceKLeMayLoden(a)aol.com>


Dear List,
 

Thank you, Paul Scheele and Uli GMX. 
 
Yes, from the church i need their Father, Dirck Lohden and Mother,  Anna 
Metta Elder ages? 
 
As the story goes,  2 brothers came from the "Black Forest". Now Zeven  in 
North Germany.?
 
No date of death for 3 of 11 children 7.Johann Hinich 16 Jul  1781 ( the 
other bro Henry ) and
8. Anna Christina 25 Oct 1783  and
11. Jochim Dieterich Lohden 24 Apr 1789 (GGfather)
 
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Re: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke

Date: 2008/01/27 18:26:45
From: Detlef Kohrs <dekohrs(a)yahoo.de>

Hallo Markus,
lese gerade etwas über Wienecke. Ich habe auch einige Wieneckes in meiner Ahnenliste:
Friedericke Wilhelmine  Wienecke  1851-1923
Friedrich Wilhelm Wienecke, 1795-
Julius Wienecke
alles aus der Nähe von Northeim.
Vielleicht haben wir Berührungspunkte.

 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen 
 
Detlef Kohrs
 
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Gesendet: Sonntag, den 27. Januar 2008, 00:11:35 Uhr
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke

Sehr 
geehrte 
Forscherkollegen,

ich 
bin 
bei 
meinen 
Forschungen 
an 
einem 
Punkt 
angelangt, 
wo 
ich 
eure 
Hilfe
brauche. 
Die 
Spur 
meines 
Vorfahren 
Georg 
Christian 
(Christoph) 
Wienecke
verliert 
sich 
vor 
1771 
in 
Brandenburg.

Er 
lebte 
von 
1771, 
seiner 
2. 
Trauung, 
bis 
zu 
seinem 
Tode 
1792 
in 
Toppel 
/
Prignitz. 
Er 
ist 
aber 
vorher 
in 
der 
Gegend 
nicht 
verzeichnet. 
Einen 
Hinweis
auf 
den 
Geburtsort 
oder 
die 
Eltern 
gibt 
es 
nicht. 
Die 
Angaben 
zu 
seinem
Geburtsdatum 
sind 
ebenfalls 
nicht 
ganz 
klar. 
Er 
muss 
aber 
in 
der 
Zeit
zwischen 
1722 
und 
1728 
geboren 
sein.

Es 
wurden 
bereits 
viele 
Kirchenbücher 
der 
betreffenden 
Gegend 
ohne 
Erfolg
durchsucht. 
Über 
die 
Mailinglisten 
Brandenburg 
und 
Sachsen-Anhalt 
habe 
ich
auch 
nichts 
erreicht. 
Möglicherweise 
hat 
jemand 
hier 
in 
seiner 
Ahnenliste
oder 
einer 
Nebenlinie 
meine 
gesuchte 
Person. 
Ich 
bin 
für 
jeden 
Hinweis
dankbar.

Vielen 
Dank 
im 
Voraus.

Grüße 
Markus 
Wienecke 
aus 
Bayern

-- 
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auf 
der 
Suche 
nach 
WIENECKE, 
Brendahl, 
Mangelsdorf, 
Börs

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Re: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke

Date: 2008/01/27 18:35:21
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>

Detlef Kohrs schrieb:
Hallo Markus,
lese gerade etwas über Wienecke. Ich habe auch einige Wieneckes in meiner Ahnenliste:
Friedericke Wilhelmine  Wienecke  1851-1923
Friedrich Wilhelm Wienecke, 1795-
Julius Wienecke
alles aus der Nähe von Northeim.
Vielleicht haben wir Berührungspunkte.

Hallo Detlef,

ich habe Wi[e]necke in Kalefeld, mit Herkunft aus Naensen - eventuell bestehen da vermutlich eher Berührungspunkte.

Gruß aus Schleswig-Holstein

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Re: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke

Date: 2008/01/27 18:41:58
From: Markus Wienecke <info(a)mwnetwork.de>

Hallo,

vielen Dank für die Mail. Wenn es Berührungspunkte gibt, dann weit vor 1750.
Denn danach sind meine Wieneckes lückenlos in Brandenburg nachweisbar. Um
aber in die fragliche Zeit vorstoßen zu können, muss ich erst einmal
herausfinden, wo mein ältester Vorfahre etwa 1723 geboren wurde. Und da hakt
es im Moment.

Gruß Markus Wienecke





-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2008 18:27
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke

Hallo Markus,
lese gerade etwas über Wienecke. Ich habe auch einige Wieneckes in meiner
Ahnenliste:
Friedericke Wilhelmine  Wienecke  1851-1923
Friedrich Wilhelm Wienecke, 1795-
Julius Wienecke
alles aus der Nähe von Northeim.
Vielleicht haben wir Berührungspunkte.

 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen 
 
Detlef Kohrs
 
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Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke

Sehr 
geehrte 
Forscherkollegen,

ich 
bin 
bei 
meinen 
Forschungen 
an 
einem 
Punkt 
angelangt, 
wo 
ich 
eure 
Hilfe
brauche. 
Die 
Spur 
meines 
Vorfahren 
Georg 
Christian 
(Christoph) 
Wienecke
verliert 
sich 
vor 
1771 
in 
Brandenburg.

Er 
lebte 
von 
1771, 
seiner 
2. 
Trauung, 
bis 
zu 
seinem 
Tode 
1792 
in 
Toppel 
/
Prignitz. 
Er 
ist 
aber 
vorher 
in 
der 
Gegend 
nicht 
verzeichnet. 
Einen 
Hinweis
auf 
den 
Geburtsort 
oder 
die 
Eltern 
gibt 
es 
nicht. 
Die 
Angaben 
zu 
seinem
Geburtsdatum 
sind 
ebenfalls 
nicht 
ganz 
klar. 
Er 
muss 
aber 
in 
der 
Zeit
zwischen 
1722 
und 
1728 
geboren 
sein.

Es 
wurden 
bereits 
viele 
Kirchenbücher 
der 
betreffenden 
Gegend 
ohne 
Erfolg
durchsucht. 
Über 
die 
Mailinglisten 
Brandenburg 
und 
Sachsen-Anhalt 
habe 
ich
auch 
nichts 
erreicht. 
Möglicherweise 
hat 
jemand 
hier 
in 
seiner 
Ahnenliste
oder 
einer 
Nebenlinie 
meine 
gesuchte 
Person. 
Ich 
bin 
für 
jeden 
Hinweis
dankbar.

Vielen 
Dank 
im 
Voraus.

Grüße 
Markus 
Wienecke 
aus 
Bayern

-- 
Immer 
auf 
der 
Suche 
nach 
WIENECKE, 
Brendahl, 
Mangelsdorf, 
Börs

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Re: [HN] Looking for name of parent's

Date: 2008/01/28 05:50:56
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

   Hi Don:

   

   I have the address of the "Pommern-L" list.

   

   [1]http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/pommern-l

   

   Secondly here is an URL which you might find interesting:

   

    [2]http://ruegenwalde.com/pommern/index.htm

   

   Belgard is both a Kreis (kinda like a county) and city.  If your
   references are to the city you may be lucky.  If the reference is to
   the Kreis, you have a problem, as there are +- 130 cities, villiages,
   towns, etc. in the Krreis of Belgard.

   

   You indicated that you have some baptismal information.  Do you that
   the name of the town or parish?  That would be a big help.

   

   The Family History Center/LDS has a number of items for Belgard, both
   the city and Kreis.  I also noted that there information for Belgard
   in Kreis Lauenburg, so this expands your area of search.

   

   

   Not much help, am I?


   Gale

   

    


   On Jan 26, 2008, DKnoepfel(a)aol.com wrote:

     This is not Hannover but in Hinterpommern.  I hope someone may be
     able  to
     help.
     Marie Caroline Frederike Wilm was born 8 March 1853 in  Belgard,
     Hinterpommern, baptized on 17 March 1853.  I would like to lean
      the name of her parent's.
     It is possible her father was Johann  Wilm.   I would be grateful
     for any
     help.  Thank you
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[HN] translation help

Date: 2008/01/28 15:58:51
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

I received this comment on my family tree about a headstone picture:

dass ist voll traurih, aber hüpbsch 

My translating abilities are limited.  Does it read something like:  That is very sad, but is nicely done?

Janice Thiele Seiler

Re: [HN] translation help

Date: 2008/01/28 16:49:49
From: Heiko Ahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

Nicely done; but I would rather translate "hübsch" with "pretty" instead of "nicely done". Similar meaning, tho.

Heiko Ahlers

"Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> schrieb:
>I received this comment on my family tree about a headstone picture:
>
>dass ist voll traurih, aber hüpbsch 
>
>My translating abilities are limited.  Does it read something like:  That is very sad, but is nicely done?
>
>Janice Thiele Seiler
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>
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Re: [HN] translation help

Date: 2008/01/28 16:59:20
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

Thank you Heiko.  We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas.  Any relatives there that you know of?

Janice 

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Heiko Ahlers
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:48 AM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] translation help

Nicely done; but I would rather translate "hübsch" with "pretty" instead of "nicely done". Similar meaning, tho.

Heiko Ahlers

"Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> schrieb:
>I received this comment on my family tree about a headstone picture:
>
>dass ist voll traurih, aber hüpbsch
>
>My translating abilities are limited.  Does it read something like:  That is very sad, but is nicely done?
>
>Janice Thiele Seiler
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>
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[HN] help

Date: 2008/01/28 17:31:53
From: Madelin Page <madelinlina(a)yahoo.com>

On 6 January 1719 in the Westfeld parish
Wrisbergholzen Anna Doreathe Rasch was married 'im
Kranze".  I have been told this means married in a
girdle of flowers.  This symbolized that she was
unmarried but not a virgin.  Could anyone give me more
information about this practice?  Madelin Page


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Re: [HN] translation help

Date: 2008/01/28 19:53:52
From: Heiko Ahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>

No, I have not yet found any Ahlers ancestors that went to the US - the name is quite common around here (Oldenburg), and I even met some Ahlers from NY back in the 60's - but no relationship so far.

Heiko

"Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> schrieb:
>Thank you Heiko.  We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas.  Any relatives there that you know of?
>
>Janice 
>


Re: [HN] Bruer from Baddeckenstedt

Date: 2008/01/28 21:16:09
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>

Steve, have you gone to Family search and looked at what film they have on the places you want to look at? This is rather basic and you have probably done that already. If you haven't, take a look there and if promising order the available film.
I have looked at records from Baddeckensted and if I recall the civil and evangelical church records go back only to the 1870's. But you may verify.
My ggrandfather indicated in his Hamburg emmigration records that his last place of origin was Baddeckensted. He emigrated in 1859 and I could not find any evidence of records for that year in Baddeckenstedt.
Let us know what you come up with .
Max






---- Steve Bruer <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> wrote: 
> Like many others, I am trying to find the provenance of an ancestor. I've been working on this in my spare time for a little over a year and it's been a lot of fun. 
> 
> The ancestor I am researching is my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer.  He emigrated from Hannover to St. Louis, Missouri in 1849. Two years later he married Sophia Haunold and took up residence at 1314 Benton Street, on the north side of the City of St. Louis, Missouri, where they lived until Heinrich's death in 1904.
> 
> I have a copy of a sheet from the "Register of Deaths for the City of St. Louis" for 23 February 1868, which indicates an Andreas Bruer, born in Germany, died at the age 72, passed away while living at 1314 Benton Street, St. Louis, Missouri...the residence of my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. This Andreas Bruer is old enough to be Heinrich's father.
> 
> I also have a copy of a page from "Auswanderelisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums, Braunschweig, 1846-1871" by Fritz Gruhne that lists the following:
> 
> " Bruer   Andreas, Brinksitzer in Baddeckenstedt, Sohn des Brinksitzer Andreas Bruer und der Dorothee Dowe, married Oelber 16.11.1851 mit Wittkop, Joh. Sophie Elisabeth, born 2.12.1824, Tochter des Kotsassen Heinrich Wittkop und der Friederike Huter. Deren Kinder: 'lists their children and their birthdates'".
> 
> I also have a copy of the passenger list that has Andreas Bruer (the son) and his family arriving in New York on 11 Jun 1867.  Andreas (Andrew) and his family are listed in the 1870 US Census living is St. Louis, Missouri.  In the Census, this Andreas is listed as being 49 years old.  Maybe Heinrich's brother? The "St. Louis City Directory for 1870" lists Andrew Bruer living at 1311 Benton Street, which is across the street from Heinrich Bruer. The website for the Western Lutheran Cemetery in St. Louis lists an Andreas Bruer and Sophia Bruer buried there on 22 Feb 1888 and 07 Mar 1897, respectively. 
> 
> So, I think it is reasonable to hypothesize (for purposes of my research) that the elder Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's father and the younger Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's brother.
> 
> My question to the list members is:  What records should I look to in the Baddeckenstedt/Wolfenbuttel/Braunschweig area that might provide proof that the Andreas's and Heinrich are related? Which I hope could also indicate that Heinrich Bruer is from Baddeckenstedt.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [HN] translation help

Date: 2008/01/28 21:53:14
From: vsgs <vsgs(a)optonline.net>

I wonder if the spelling could have been changed in the Woodhaven area of Queens,NY to Ehlers. Many years ago when I went to St Lukes Lutheran church there. some folk had that name.
Ghyll

----- Original Message -----
From: HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de (Heiko Ahlers)
Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:54 pm
Subject: Re: [HN] translation help
To: Hannover-L 

> 
> No, I have not yet found any Ahlers ancestors that went to the 
> US - the name is quite common around here (Oldenburg), and I 
> even met some Ahlers from NY back in the 60's - but no 
> relationship so far.
> 
> Heiko
> 
> "Janice Seiler" schrieb:
> >Thank you Heiko. We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas. 
> Any relatives there that you know of?
> >
> >Janice 
> >
> 
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[HN] Neuvorstellung und Suche BAXMANN in Hildesheim

Date: 2008/01/28 22:37:29
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Passe-G=F6llner, _Katja?= <Katja.Passe-Goellner(a)fujitsu-siemens.com>

Hallo zusammen,

als neues Listenmitglied möchte ich mich kurz vorstellen.

Ich heiße Katja Passe-Göllner, bin 32 Jahre alt und beschäftige mich seit mehreren Jahren mit der Erforschung meiner Familiengeschichte.

Mein derzeitiger Schwerpunkt liegt im Raum Hildesheim, wo ich nähere Daten suche zu:

Johann Jacob BAXMANN
* vermutl. um 1760
Kaufmann in Hildesheim.

Sein Sohn:

Karl Friedrich BAXMANN
* 01.10.1793 vermutl. in Hildesheim,
Gutsadministrator, später Gutspächter auf dem Schäferhof (zur Hinnenburg) bei Brakel, Kr. Höxter.
Heirat am 26.04.1829 in Brakel (Kr. Höxter) mit
Maria Christine Therese WALDEYER
* 03.03.1804 Schmechten bei Brakel (Kr. Höxter), + 26.07.1859.

Hat jemand nähere Infos zu Johann Jacob und/oder Karl Friedrich?
Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar.

Viele Grüße,

Katja (Passe-Göllner) aus Celle



Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung und Suche BAXMANN in Hildesheim

Date: 2008/01/28 23:48:02
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>

Hallo Katja,

selbst habe ich keine Baxmann, aber versuch doch einmal
http://gedbas.genealogy.net/
GedBas: Suchergebnis
Treffer 1-93 alles Baxmann

Gruß
Klaus (Riecken)

www.Riecken-online.de

----- Original Message ----- From: "Passe-Göllner, Katja" <Katja.Passe-Goellner(a)fujitsu-siemens.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:35 PM
Subject: [HN] Neuvorstellung und Suche BAXMANN in Hildesheim


Hallo zusammen,

als neues Listenmitglied möchte ich mich kurz vorstellen.

Ich heiße Katja Passe-Göllner, bin 32 Jahre alt und beschäftige mich seit mehreren Jahren mit der Erforschung meiner Familiengeschichte.

Mein derzeitiger Schwerpunkt liegt im Raum Hildesheim, wo ich nähere Daten suche zu:

Johann Jacob BAXMANN
* vermutl. um 1760
Kaufmann in Hildesheim.

Sein Sohn:

Karl Friedrich BAXMANN
* 01.10.1793 vermutl. in Hildesheim,
Gutsadministrator, später Gutspächter auf dem Schäferhof (zur Hinnenburg) bei Brakel, Kr. Höxter.
Heirat am 26.04.1829 in Brakel (Kr. Höxter) mit
Maria Christine Therese WALDEYER
* 03.03.1804 Schmechten bei Brakel (Kr. Höxter), + 26.07.1859.

Hat jemand nähere Infos zu Johann Jacob und/oder Karl Friedrich?
Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar.

Viele Grüße,

Katja (Passe-Göllner) aus Celle


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Re: [HN] Bruer from Baddeckenstedt

Date: 2008/01/29 00:09:29
From: Steve Bruer <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net>

Max,

Thank you. I did check the Family Search (LDS) website and found three records available through that source:

1) Kirchenbuch duplikat, 1853-1874, Evangelische Kirche Baddeckenstedt
2) Zivilstanregister, 1810-1812, Baddeckenstedt
3) Brandkataster, 1749-1934, Harburg/Elbe, Landschaftliche Brandkasse

Although the Zivilstanregister, 1810-1812, covers a period prior to Heinrich Bruer's birth, it may place the father Andreas in Baddeckenstedt. Not sure what the Brandkataster is, but I'll order these through the local LDS Family History Center and see what I can find.

Thanks again!

Steve Bruer

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: "Steve Bruer" <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bruer from Baddeckenstedt


Steve, have you gone to Family search and looked at what film they have on the places you want to look at? This is rather basic and you have probably done that already. If you haven't, take a look there and if promising order the available film. I have looked at records from Baddeckensted and if I recall the civil and evangelical church records go back only to the 1870's. But you may verify. My ggrandfather indicated in his Hamburg emmigration records that his last place of origin was Baddeckensted. He emigrated in 1859 and I could not find any evidence of records for that year in Baddeckenstedt.
Let us know what you come up with .
Max






---- Steve Bruer <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> wrote:
Like many others, I am trying to find the provenance of an ancestor. I've been working on this in my spare time for a little over a year and it's been a lot of fun.

The ancestor I am researching is my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. He emigrated from Hannover to St. Louis, Missouri in 1849. Two years later he married Sophia Haunold and took up residence at 1314 Benton Street, on the north side of the City of St. Louis, Missouri, where they lived until Heinrich's death in 1904.

I have a copy of a sheet from the "Register of Deaths for the City of St. Louis" for 23 February 1868, which indicates an Andreas Bruer, born in Germany, died at the age 72, passed away while living at 1314 Benton Street, St. Louis, Missouri...the residence of my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. This Andreas Bruer is old enough to be Heinrich's father.

I also have a copy of a page from "Auswanderelisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums, Braunschweig, 1846-1871" by Fritz Gruhne that lists the following:

" Bruer Andreas, Brinksitzer in Baddeckenstedt, Sohn des Brinksitzer Andreas Bruer und der Dorothee Dowe, married Oelber 16.11.1851 mit Wittkop, Joh. Sophie Elisabeth, born 2.12.1824, Tochter des Kotsassen Heinrich Wittkop und der Friederike Huter. Deren Kinder: 'lists their children and their birthdates'".

I also have a copy of the passenger list that has Andreas Bruer (the son) and his family arriving in New York on 11 Jun 1867. Andreas (Andrew) and his family are listed in the 1870 US Census living is St. Louis, Missouri. In the Census, this Andreas is listed as being 49 years old. Maybe Heinrich's brother? The "St. Louis City Directory for 1870" lists Andrew Bruer living at 1311 Benton Street, which is across the street from Heinrich Bruer. The website for the Western Lutheran Cemetery in St. Louis lists an Andreas Bruer and Sophia Bruer buried there on 22 Feb 1888 and 07 Mar 1897, respectively.

So, I think it is reasonable to hypothesize (for purposes of my research) that the elder Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's father and the younger Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's brother.

My question to the list members is: What records should I look to in the Baddeckenstedt/Wolfenbuttel/Braunschweig area that might provide proof that the Andreas's and Heinrich are related? Which I hope could also indicate that Heinrich Bruer is from Baddeckenstedt.

Thanks!

Steve Bruer
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Re: [HN] translation help

Date: 2008/01/29 01:28:38
From: Fred Buck <fredbuck(a)sprynet.com>

Ehlers is a very common name in some places in northern Germany too.

My great-grandparents had a bakery and later a delicatessen in Woodhaven,
Queens and that is also where my grandparents were married.  I don't know if
there is/was more than one Lutheran church in Woodhaven.  After my
grandparents moved to Richmond Hill, Queens in about 1912 they attend St.
John's Lutheran Church there.

Fred Buck
Cincinnati, Ohio
Originally from North Merrick, N.Y.


----- Original Message -----
From: <vsgs(a)optonline.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] translation help


I wonder if the spelling could have been changed in the Woodhaven area of
Queens,NY to Ehlers. Many years ago when I went to St Lukes Lutheran church
there. some folk had that name.
Ghyll

----- Original Message -----
From: HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de (Heiko Ahlers)
Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:54 pm
Subject: Re: [HN] translation help
To: Hannover-L

>
> No, I have not yet found any Ahlers ancestors that went to the
> US - the name is quite common around here (Oldenburg), and I
> even met some Ahlers from NY back in the 60's - but no
> relationship so far.
>
> Heiko
>
> "Janice Seiler" schrieb:
> >Thank you Heiko. We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas.
> Any relatives there that you know of?
> >
> >Janice
> >
>
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Re: [HN] translation help

Date: 2008/01/29 03:26:03
From: vsgs <vsgs(a)optonline.net>

It has been many years since I have been back there-just trying to help.
Ghyll

----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Buck 
Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: [HN] translation help
To: Hannover-L 

> Ehlers is a very common name in some places in northern Germany too.
> 
> My great-grandparents had a bakery and later a delicatessen in 
> Woodhaven,Queens and that is also where my grandparents were 
> married. I don't know if
> there is/was more than one Lutheran church in Woodhaven. After my
> grandparents moved to Richmond Hill, Queens in about 1912 they 
> attend St.
> John's Lutheran Church there.
> 
> Fred Buck
> Cincinnati, Ohio
> Originally from North Merrick, N.Y.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 
> To: "Hannover-L" 
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] translation help
> 
> 
> I wonder if the spelling could have been changed in the 
> Woodhaven area of
> Queens,NY to Ehlers. Many years ago when I went to St Lukes 
> Lutheran church
> there. some folk had that name.
> Ghyll
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de (Heiko Ahlers)
> Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [HN] translation help
> To: Hannover-L
> 
> >
> > No, I have not yet found any Ahlers ancestors that went to the
> > US - the name is quite common around here (Oldenburg), and I
> > even met some Ahlers from NY back in the 60's - but no
> > relationship so far.
> >
> > Heiko
> >
> > "Janice Seiler" schrieb:
> > >Thank you Heiko. We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas.
> > Any relatives there that you know of?
> > >
> > >Janice
> > >
> >
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Re: [HN] Bruer from Baddeckenstedt

Date: 2008/01/29 05:34:30
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

"Steve Bruer" <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> schrieb:
> Max,
...  Not sure 
> what the Brandkataster is, but I'll order these through the local LDS Family 
> History Center and see what I can find....

Hello Max Bruer,

a " Brandkataster" should be the documentation of the fire-insurance about the given size of the different estates for the purposes of finding out the right insurance fee and in case of fire or other accidance of having the sum of payments. As from a certain date everyone was obliged to have such an insurance, the "Brandkataster" will be usable for lots of data about the different farms, even sometimes some personal data of the farm ownwers, but will give classical family data about birth, death and marriage.

Greetings,

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel


[HN] Translation help

Date: 2008/01/29 16:19:48
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Hello all,

I recently received an email from Germany written in German. I understand the gist of the email, but I'd like to respond in German. I wondered if anyone out there had the time to translate my reply from English to German.

Thank you,

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


Re: [HN] Bruer .... Brandkataster

Date: 2008/01/29 17:29:28
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Sorry for a little mistake,last sentence has to be: "...but will n o t give classical family data about birth, death and marriage. ", which turns of course the sense around. 

Hans Peter Albers

<320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> "Steve Bruer" <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> schrieb:
> > Max,
> ...  Not sure 
> > what the Brandkataster is, but I'll order these through the local LDS Family 
> > History Center and see what I can find....
> 
> Hello Max Bruer,
> 
> a " Brandkataster" should be the documentation of the fire-insurance about the given size of the different estates for the purposes of finding out the right insurance fee and in case of fire or other accidance of having the sum of payments. As from a certain date everyone was obliged to have such an insurance, the "Brandkataster" will be usable for lots of data about the different farms, even sometimes some personal data of the farm owners, but will give classical family data about birth, death and marriage.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel


[HN] Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police - part 1

Date: 2008/01/29 17:37:57
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

Forwarded post
From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:03:54 -0600
Subject: Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police

from WIRED MAGAZINE ISSUE 16.02

Piecing Together the Dark Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police
By Andrew Curry  01.18.08 | 6:00 PM

Ulrike Poppe used to be one of the most surveilled women in East
Germany. For 15 years, agents of the Stasi (short for
Staatssicherheitsdienst, or State Security Service) followed her,
bugged her phone and home, and harassed her unremittingly, right up
until she and other dissidents helped bring down the Berlin Wall in
1989. Today, the study in Poppe's Berlin apartment is lined floor to
12-foot ceiling with bookshelves full of volumes on art, literature,
and political science. But one shelf, just to the left of her desk, is
special. It holds a pair of 3-inch-thick black binders — copies of the
most important documents in Poppe's secret police files. This is her
Stasi shelf.
Poppe hung out with East German dissidents as a teenager, got
blackballed out of college, and was busted in 1974 by the police on
the thin pretext of "asocial behavior." On her way out of jail, Stasi
agents asked her to be an informant, to spy on her fellow radicals,
but she refused. ("I was just 21, but I knew I shouldn't trust the
Stasi, let alone sign anything," she says.) She went on to become a
founding member of a reform-minded group called Women for Peace, and
was eventually arrested 13 more times — and imprisoned in 1983 for
treason. Only an international outcry won her release.
Poppe learned to recognize many of the men assigned to tail her each
day. They had crew cuts and never wore jeans or sneakers. Sometimes
they took pictures of her on the sidewalk, or they piled into a white
sedan and drove 6 feet behind her as she walked down the street.
Officers waited around the clock in cars parked outside her top-floor
apartment. After one of her neighbors tipped her off, she found a bug
drilled from the attic of the building into the ceiling plaster of her
living room.
When the wall fell, the Stasi fell with it. The new government,
determined to bring to light the agency's totalitarian tactics,
created a special commission to give victims access to their personal
files. Poppe and her husband were among the first people in Germany
allowed into the archives. On January 3, 1992, she sat in front of a
cart loaded with 40 binders dedicated to "Circle 2" — her codename, it
turned out. In the 16 years since, the commission has turned up 20
more Circle 2 binders on her.
The pages amounted to a minute-by-minute account of Poppe's life, seen
from an unimaginable array of angles. Video cameras were installed in
the apartment across the street. Her friends' bedrooms were bugged and
their conversations about her added to the file. Agents investigated
the political leanings of her classmates from middle school and opened
all of her mail. "They really tried to capture everything," she says.
"Most of it was just junk."
But some of it wasn't. And some of it ... Poppe doesn't know. No one
does. Because before it was disbanded, the Stasi shredded or ripped up
about 5 percent of its files.
That might not sound like much, but the agency had generated perhaps
more paper than any other bureaucracy in history — possibly a billion
pages of surveillance records, informant accounting, reports on
espionage, analyses of foreign press, personnel records, and useless
minutiae. There's a record for every time anyone drove across the
border.
In the chaos of the days leading up to the actual destruction of the
wall and the fall of East Germany's communist government, frantic
Stasi agents sent trucks full of documents to the Papierwolfs and
Reisswolfs — literally "paper-wolves" and "rip-wolves," German for
shredders. As pressure mounted, agents turned to office shredders, and
when the motors burned out, they started tearing pages by hand — 45
million of them, ripped into approximately 600 million scraps of
paper.
There's no way to know what bombshells those files hide. For a country
still trying to come to terms with its role in World War II and its
life under a totalitarian regime, that half-destroyed paperwork is a
tantalizing secret.
The machine-shredded stuff is confetti, largely unrecoverable. But in
May 2007, a team of German computer scientists in Berlin announced
that after four years of work, they had completed a system to
digitally tape together the torn fragments. Engineers hope their
software and scanners can do the job in less than five years — even
taking into account the varying textures and durability of paper, the
different sizes and shapes of the fragments, the assortment of
printing (from handwriting to dot matrix) and the range of edges (from
razor sharp to ragged and handmade.) "The numbers are tremendous. If
you imagine putting together a jigsaw puzzle at home, you have maybe
1,000 pieces and a picture of what it should look like at the end,"
project manager Jan Schneider says. "We have many millions of pieces
and no idea what they should look like when we're done."


-- 
Fred Rump,   (239-775-7838)
730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120
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tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.
Jefferson (1820)

[HN] Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police Part 2

Date: 2008/01/29 17:38:45
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:03:54 -0600
Subject: Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police

As the enforcement arm of the German Democratic Republic's Communist
Party, the Stasi at its height in 1989 employed 91,000 people to watch
a country of 16.4 million. A sprawling bureaucracy almost three times
the size of Hitler's Gestapo was spying on a population a quarter that
of Nazi Germany.
Unlike the prison camps of the Gestapo or the summary executions of
the Soviet Union's KGB, the Stasi strove for subtlety. "They offered
incentives, made it clear people should cooperate, recruited informal
helpers to infiltrate the entire society," says Konrad Jarausch, a
historian at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "They
beat people up less often, sure, but they psychologically trampled
people. Which is worse depends on what you prefer."
That finesse helped the Stasi quell dissent, but it also fostered a
pervasive and justified paranoia. And it generated an almost
inconceivable amount of paper, enough to fill more than 100 miles of
shelves. The agency indexed and cross-referenced 5.6 million names in
its central card catalog alone. Hundreds of thousands of "unofficial
employees" snitched on friends, coworkers, and their own spouses,
sometimes because they'd been extorted and sometimes in exchange for
money, promotions, or p