Date: 2008/01/01 03:31:55
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>
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Date: 2008/01/01 03:35:42
From: maryjane O'C-L <maryjane_ocl(a)hotmail.com>
A very Happy New Year to you too Pam and to Everyone on this list, May 2008 bring you all Health and Happiness. MaryJane ...Suffolk UK> From: hope9(a)comcast.net> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:31:41 -0600> Subject: [HN] Happy new year to all> > Happy New Year to all> Enjoy world wide party photos from USA FOX news> > http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2988,00.html#1_55> > Pam Homeyer Sullivan> Little Rock USA> > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml
Date: 2008/01/01 04:34:31
From: tesluk <tesluk(a)rogers.com>
We are 1 1/2 hours from our New Year! Much love, peace and happinesws to all. Alexandra ----- Original Message ---- From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net> To: "Hannover-L(a)Genealogy. Net" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:31:41 PM Subject: [HN] Happy new year to all Happy New Year to all Enjoy world wide party photos from USA FOX news http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2988,00.html#1_55 Pam Homeyer Sullivan Little Rock USA ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/01 09:44:48
From: Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>
Hallo, üner den Link www.familienkunde-niedersachsen.de findest Du einen Link des Genealogen Ewig, Familienforscher im Calenberger Land. Dort könntest Du fündig werden. LG Peter Meister NS Allen Mitgliedern der Mailing-Liste wünsche ich ein glückliches erfolgreiches Neues Jahr.. Am 31.12.07 schrieb Hansdieter Behnke <hansdieter.behnke(a)t-online.de>: > > Hallo, > > > > weiß jemand, ob es außer dem Mormonen-Film 1742623 noch eine Möglichkeit > gibt, andere Kirchenbücher (evtl. auch Standesamtunterlagen) zu Ronnenberg > anzusehen? Wo und wann wäre das gegebenenfalls möglich? > > > > Herzliche Grüße aus Berlin und allen ein gesundes und erfolgreiches Neues > Jahr > > Hansdieter Behnke > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > -- Fürchte nicht Deine Feinde, sondern fürchte die, denen Du vertraust.
Date: 2008/01/01 10:28:34
From: Hanno V. J. Kolbe <kolbe(a)hicleones.com>
Hello Seria
Looking for the location where one of my ancestors was born. The place of birth is listed as: Carlsrad, Herbstadt, Hannover. He was born in 1841. I have a current map of Germany, but could not find this place.
There are elements which do not fit together. Is this information a transcription or can you read it from the original ? There is a 'Herbststadt' in Bavaria. (unlikely, isn't it ?) The closest I can come to match the three Names are Hallstedt, Harpstedt (?!) , Henstedt, Horstedt (all in Kr. Syke) + Kolnrade (Colnrade, Kollenrade) (also Kr. Syke). Harpstedt and Kolnrade are about 10 miles apart ... and both AGer. Bassum Does this make sense ? Happy New Year !! (There are elections in 2008 ? Right ? So it should be a happy year ...) Hanno V.J.Kolbe
Date: 2008/01/01 12:32:34
From: WLeue <WLeue(a)aol.com>
Hallo,
suche Informationen zur Familie Rosenbaum aus Hannover.
Daten: Emma Bertha Emilie Kauf, geb. am 11. April 1886 in Hannover,
Tochter der Eheleute
Ofensetzer Johann Konrad Kauf, geb: am 28. November 1859 in
Flawil/Schweiz
Ehefrau Johanna Kauf, geborene Rosenbaum - ohne weitere
Daten -
wohnhaft 1886 , Hannover, Schäferdamm 2 a.
Wer kann Angaben zur Familie "Rosenbaum", wahrscheinlich jüdischem Glaubens,
machen.
Wolfgang Leue
Halser Str. 29
D-94034 Passau
Tel.: +49(0)6251/593134
Mail: wleue(a)aol.com
Date: 2008/01/01 12:41:08
From: Holger Bremer <holgerbremer(a)googlemail.com>
Hallo, ja du kannst die KB im Kirchenbuchamt in Hannover einsehen. Gruß Holger Am 01.01.08 schrieb Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>: > > Hallo, > üner den Link www.familienkunde-niedersachsen.de findest Du einen Link des > Genealogen Ewig, Familienforscher im Calenberger Land. Dort könntest Du > fündig werden. > > LG > Peter Meister > NS Allen Mitgliedern der Mailing-Liste wünsche ich ein glückliches > erfolgreiches Neues Jahr.. > > Am 31.12.07 schrieb Hansdieter Behnke <hansdieter.behnke(a)t-online.de>: > > > > Hallo, > > > > > > > > weiß jemand, ob es außer dem Mormonen-Film 1742623 noch eine Möglichkeit > > gibt, andere Kirchenbücher (evtl. auch Standesamtunterlagen) zu > Ronnenberg > > anzusehen? Wo und wann wäre das gegebenenfalls möglich? > > > > > > > > Herzliche Grüße aus Berlin und allen ein gesundes und erfolgreiches > Neues > > Jahr > > > > Hansdieter Behnke > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Hannover-L mailing list > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > > > > -- > Fürchte nicht Deine Feinde, sondern fürchte die, > denen Du vertraust. > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
Date: 2008/01/01 15:54:55
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
I found a Carlsbad on Google in Germany. Max ---- "Hanno V. J. Kolbe" <kolbe(a)hicleones.com> wrote: > Hello Seria > > > > Looking for the location where one of my ancestors was born. The place of > > birth is listed as: > > Carlsrad, Herbstadt, Hannover. He was born in 1841. > > I have a current map of Germany, but could not find this place. > > > There are elements which do not fit together. > > Is this information a transcription or can you read it from the original ? > > There is a 'Herbststadt' in Bavaria. (unlikely, isn't it ?) > > The closest I can come to match the three Names are > > Hallstedt, Harpstedt (?!) , Henstedt, Horstedt (all in Kr. Syke) > + Kolnrade (Colnrade, Kollenrade) (also Kr. Syke). > Harpstedt and Kolnrade are about 10 miles apart ... and both AGer. Bassum > > Does this make sense ? > > Happy New Year !! > (There are elections in 2008 ? Right ? So it should be a happy year ...) > > Hanno V.J.Kolbe > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/01 17:28:40
From: BARKER0106 <BARKER0106(a)aol.com>
Hanno, These were on some old 'cards' that were given to me in OH. I think this is what the family wrote down. The last name is Siemer. Would that make any difference? Thanks. Seria **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
Date: 2008/01/01 18:55:20
From: Albert Emmerich <Emmerich.Albert(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste,
inzwischen hat sich eine Spur des Gesuchten ergeben: Er ist in einem Hamburger Adressbuch von 1847 aufgeführt. Die Kopie dieses Eintrags werde ich in Kürze erhalten.
Wer weiß, ob z.B. Anmeldedaten o.ä. für Einwohner von Hamburg vor 1847 zur Verfügung stehen? Daraus würde sich dann vielleicht auch der Geburtsort und/oder die Eltern herausfinden lassen.
Ein gesundes, erfolgreiches Jahr 2008!
Albert (Emmerich)
Cremlingen
Alte Anfrage:
Subject: Carl Rudolph SCHACHT * um 1802
Hallo an alle!
Wegen einer Anfrage Nachfahren in Australien suche ich:
Carl Rudolph Schacht, * um 1802 in ? evtl Hambuch (laut Einbürgerungsdokument)
Ehefrau: Emilie
Kinder: Jean Henri (John Henry) * um 1838
Carl Wilhelm * um 1844 in Elsass-Lothringen ??
ausgewandert nach Australien von Hamburg aus am 30.8.1848 mit dem Schiff "Steinwarder".
Date: 2008/01/01 19:33:20
From: GerdaSingh <gerdasingh(a)alice-dsl.de>
Hallo Albert,in den Beständen des Hamburger Staatsarchivs gibt es den Bestand "Meldewesen" beginnend ab 1826. Mit Glück ist der Gesuchte in eines der Bücher aufgeführt, sofern er von außerhalb kam.
Mehr zu den o.g. Beständen http://fhh.hamburg.de/stadt/Aktuell/behoerden/staatsarchiv/start.html hier im Menü links -> Bestände -> Beständeübersicht -> runtercrollen auf Beständeübersicht, Beschreibung... -> dann als Suchwort "Meldewesen" eingeben.
Viele Grüße Gerda (Singh)----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert Emmerich" <Emmerich.Albert(a)t-online.de>
To: "NLF" <nlf(a)genealogy.net>; "Hannover-Liste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:00 PMSubject: [HN] Hamburger Adressbücher im 19. Jahrhundert --- war: Carl Rudolph SCHACHT * um 1802
Hallo Liste,inzwischen hat sich eine Spur des Gesuchten ergeben: Er ist in einem Hamburger Adressbuch von 1847 aufgeführt. Die Kopie dieses Eintrags werde ich in Kürze erhalten.
Wer weiß, ob z.B. Anmeldedaten o.ä. für Einwohner von Hamburg vor 1847 zur Verfügung stehen? Daraus würde sich dann vielleicht auch der Geburtsort und/oder die Eltern herausfinden lassen.
Ein gesundes, erfolgreiches Jahr 2008! Albert (Emmerich) Cremlingen Alte Anfrage: Subject: Carl Rudolph SCHACHT * um 1802 Hallo an alle! Wegen einer Anfrage Nachfahren in Australien suche ich:Carl Rudolph Schacht, * um 1802 in ? evtl Hambuch (laut Einbürgerungsdokument)
Ehefrau: Emilie
Kinder: Jean Henri (John Henry) * um 1838
Carl Wilhelm * um 1844 in Elsass-Lothringen ??
ausgewandert nach Australien von Hamburg aus am 30.8.1848 mit dem Schiff
"Steinwarder".
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Date: 2008/01/01 19:40:14
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info>
> Thank you for responding to me about my grandfather. I am having> such a hard time finding the town he is from on the immagration papers > it says bohemia austria but my aunt says morvia
That's probably Moravia, a region in Europe. Here's a description of the ship, but you may already have found this: http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipb.htm Tell us his name - maybe we can find some other places to search.> can you help me find this town I know he left hte port of Berman in 1902 in the spring and arrived here on the barbarossa in new york in may of 1902 but I can't find him at ellis or anywhere else. I have tried to locate the Barbarossa's passinger list but the ship was taken opver and used during ww ii as a battle ship I haven't been able to find anyone with the records.
>> I can track all of my relitives very easy here in the u. s. but once the boat docked here it was as they never existed. what do I do??
> > Thanks for your help > Debbie Ramsey > ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com -- Mona Houser HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/
Date: 2008/01/01 23:45:04
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
Bohemia was part of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire. Look for old maps online -- and look in European history books -- for the information that you need. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mona To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: [HN] to Debbie > Thank you for responding to me about my grandfather. I am having > such a hard time finding the town he is from on the immagration papers > it says bohemia austria but my aunt says morvia That's probably Moravia, a region in Europe. Here's a description of the ship, but you may already have found this: http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipb.htm Tell us his name - maybe we can find some other places to search. > can you help me find this town I know he left hte port of Berman in 1902 in the spring and arrived here on the barbarossa in new york in may of 1902 but I can't find him at ellis or anywhere else. I have tried to locate the Barbarossa's passinger list but the ship was taken opver and used during ww ii as a battle ship I haven't been able to find anyone with the records. > > I can track all of my relitives very easy here in the u. s. but once the boat docked here it was as they never existed. what do I do?? > > Thanks for your help > Debbie Ramsey > ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com -- Mona Houser HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/02 00:41:44
From: William Taber <willgen(a)mac.com>
Hello Seria,I used the website tool "Town Search" on the JewishGen website and entered Carlsrad with a Soundex search.
http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.aspOne of the results was Karlsrode, which I think might be the one you are looking for. It is not in Hannover, but located between Göttingen and Leipzig. Go to Google Maps
http://maps.google.com and for the location, cut and paste this: Karlsrode Dietersdorf, Sangerhausen, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany Then click search. Then zoom out.Directly north of Karlsrode about 20-25 miles is a town named Halberstadt (possibly your Herbstadt?).
=================================== Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:35:38 EST From: BARKER0106(a)aol.com Subject: [HN] Hannover location To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Looking for the location where one of my ancestors was born. The place of birth is listed as: Carlsrad, Herbstadt, Hannover. He was born in 1841. I have a current map of Germany, but could not find this place. Thanks for any information. Seria
Date: 2008/01/02 13:17:23
From: Manfred <Manfred.Puffahrt(a)t-online.de>
Guten Tag, gab es um 1725 einen Kuhhirten Johann Meyer in Kaltenhof und wenn, hatte er eine Schwester Namens Anna Margaretha geb. um 1700? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Manfred Püffahrt
Date: 2008/01/02 17:20:51
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
Hi,
I banged my lap top trying to pick it up off the floor from the bed. People tell me by the blue words on the screen saying something about f8 key and safe mode, I may have to get it refraged or some such term. I only hope files stay. In mean time I had access to husbands desktop today.
{smile} I also lost the Ostheide book for three four days. I was so happy to see it. I looked for the Schroder name for freds and williams in german of course. None. I found Henrick and Heinrich and a Johann Heinrich Schroeder.
I had seen a tree somewhere with Schroeder from Suttorf.
I know quite a few people in the Dahlenburg and Oldendorf area have come from Suttorf.
I could send you that tree I am interested in that I have mentioned many times. It has many Schroeders. And Meyer from Walmsburg as well as Meyer from Torwe. I am not sure where their Schroder family stemmed from. It is a family heritage of hof
number 30 at oldendorf. Rossburg, Ahrens, Michels, Koopman, Bruns, Harms,Schlicht. And many villages mentioned even from Barskamp.
Schroder such a lot of people with it. Our american settlers sure seemed to propogate and move around, didn't they. I saw a old old movie last night with the guy from Paint your wagon as some kind of cia agent. He was talking of two people having two children and how they propogate into billions of people.
I am from Mn. Never heard of Fountain. New one on me. But then I bet there are thousands of towns I have not heard of.{ I know not to end with preposition, but it is my german heritage that is hard to break. Perhaps a new years resolution is in order.
Anyway, happy new year to everyone.
I will try and email the little tree tomorrow.
jo Meyer
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Date: 2008/01/02 17:20:59
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
Hi,
I banged my lap top trying to pick it up off the floor from the bed. People tell me by the blue words on the screen saying something about f8 key and safe mode, I may have to get it refraged or some such term. I only hope files stay. In mean time I had access to husbands desktop today.
{smile} I also lost the Ostheide book for three four days. I was so happy to see it. I looked for the Schroder name for freds and williams in german of course. None. I found Henrick and Heinrich and a Johann Heinrich Schroeder.
I had seen a tree somewhere with Schroeder from Suttorf.
I know quite a few people in the Dahlenburg and Oldendorf area have come from Suttorf.
I could send you that tree I am interested in that I have mentioned many times. It has many Schroeders. And Meyer from Walmsburg as well as Meyer from Torwe. I am not sure where their Schroder family stemmed from. It is a family heritage of hof
number 30 at oldendorf. Rossburg, Ahrens, Michels, Koopman, Bruns, Harms,Schlicht. And many villages mentioned even from Barskamp.
Schroder such a lot of people with it. Our american settlers sure seemed to propogate and move around, didn't they. I saw a old old movie last night with the guy from Paint your wagon as some kind of cia agent. He was talking of two people having two children and how they propogate into billions of people.
I am from Mn. Never heard of Fountain. New one on me. But then I bet there are thousands of towns I have not heard of.{ I know not to end with preposition, but it is my german heritage that is hard to break. Perhaps a new years resolution is in order.
Anyway, happy new year to everyone.
I will try and email the little tree tomorrow.
jo Meyer
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Date: 2008/01/02 17:37:40
From: Nikolaus Ordemann <i.u.n.ordemann(a)unitybox.de>
Hi Cactus Flower and others, good intentions for 2008 could be: We shall never more use such topics/references in our emails like "Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 48, Eintrag 34". Best wishes for 2008 Nikolaus (Ordemann)
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Date: 2008/01/02 21:46:08
From: Gerald Bailey <g.bailey3308(a)sbcglobal.net>
Thanks for the info. Fountain is in Fillmore county which is in the SE corner of Minnesota next to the Iowa line. If you take highway 52 South of Rochester for about 30 miles you will find Fountain which is a small town just 9 miles South of Chatfield which is 20 miles South of Rochester. Hope that I now have you lost????? All I know about the Schroeder family is that both Fred and brother Welhelm came from Hannover, Germany. Please send Schroeder family tree if you find it. Thanks. Gerry, I can not read German..
jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I banged my lap top trying to pick it up off the floor from the bed. People tell me by the blue words on the screen saying something about f8 key and safe mode, I may have to get it refraged or some such term. I only hope files stay. In mean time I had access to husbands desktop today.
{smile} I also lost the Ostheide book for three four days. I was so happy to see it. I looked for the Schroder name for freds and williams in german of course. None. I found Henrick and Heinrich and a Johann Heinrich Schroeder.
I had seen a tree somewhere with Schroeder from Suttorf.
I know quite a few people in the Dahlenburg and Oldendorf area have come from Suttorf.
I could send you that tree I am interested in that I have mentioned many times. It has many Schroeders. And Meyer from Walmsburg as well as Meyer from Torwe. I am not sure where their Schroder family stemmed from. It is a family heritage of hof
number 30 at oldendorf. Rossburg, Ahrens, Michels, Koopman, Bruns, Harms,Schlicht. And many villages mentioned even from Barskamp.
Schroder such a lot of people with it. Our american settlers sure seemed to propogate and move around, didn't they. I saw a old old movie last night with the guy from Paint your wagon as some kind of cia agent. He was talking of two people having two children and how they propogate into billions of people.
I am from Mn. Never heard of Fountain. New one on me. But then I bet there are thousands of towns I have not heard of.{ I know not to end with preposition, but it is my german heritage that is hard to break. Perhaps a new years resolution is in order.
Anyway, happy new year to everyone.
I will try and email the little tree tomorrow.
jo Meyer
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Date: 2008/01/03 11:57:13
From: Hansdieter Behnke <hansdieter.behnke(a)t-online.de>
Hallo, vielen Dank für die Informationen über die Möglichkeit zur Einsicht in Kirchenbücher von Ronnenberg im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover. Herzliche Grüße Hansdieter Behnke
Date: 2008/01/03 19:34:46
From: Marina Schlobohm <marinaschlobohm(a)yahoo.de>
Hallo,
ich suche die Familie von Claus Ahrens und Anne Ohlrogge, geb. 31.07.1784 gest. 06.05.1865 in Lamstedt.
Die Kinder sind:
Anna geb. 1805, Anna Margaretha geb. 1806, Betha geb. 1808, Maria geb. 1810, Mettha geb.1812, Gesch Margareth geb. 1814, Johann geb. 1818, alle sind in Seehausen/Grasberg geboren.
Falls mir jemand helfen kann, wäre ich sehr dankbar.
Herzliche Grüße aus Grasberg
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Date: 2008/01/03 19:58:58
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
I understand too about the deleting of the 'hannover list and issue number' and it should be my resolution, I got it! But well. I may try hard but that calls for a small miracle. Same for my spelling and grammer. More hope for the latter. I wish for a better year with less incidents.[ smile] I want to apologize for the repeat of the post. This computer is so slow. I am halfway accross the page with my typing before the words appear on the screen. I didn't think the first letter had gotten through. I know now to wait. I wish to correct the name Rossburg to Rosseborg and Rosseburg mentioned in last letter in another issue. since I know there are others interested. Some of the family are found at Himbergen Uelzen. The Harms and some of the Rosseburg members. While waiting for possible ownership of hof thirty they had their own welfare to tend to and so lived at various places. Those villages of their spouses. etc. Barendorf is mentioned. So any of Hch. Porths books could come into play with more information. In my Ostheide book I am taking into account of the names of village land owners of Bahrendorf.[ hope that is spelled right] I think there are two Barendorf. I saw the name Luman in the book. It surprised me to see it spelt that way in the 'olden days'. Heres to a better new year. [Clink] jo meyer _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec
Date: 2008/01/03 21:38:51
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Date: 2008/01/04 04:08:39
From: Fred Buck <fredbuck(a)sprynet.com>
Hallo Marina, Ich fand die folgenden Informationen über die Familie von Claus Ahrens und Anna Ohlrogge aus der Ahrens Stammtafeln aus dem genealogischen Aufzeichnungen des Bördemuseum Lamstedt: Claus Ahrens, Kötner aus Lamstedt, und Anna Ohlrogge, * 1784, + 6.5.1865 Kinder: 1) Maria, * 6.11.1820, Lamstedt 2) Cathrina * 28.11.1823, Lamstedt 3) Friedrich * 22.1.1824, Lamstedt 4) Harm * 29.1.1827, Lamstedt, + 6.4.1849, gefallen in einen Gefecht!, Holstein. Die Stammtafeln gab keine weiteren Informationen über die Familie. Ich kann, um einige zusätzliche Informationen über die Familie aus der Kirchen Lamstedt und Grasberg Kirchenbücher. Ich habe Zugang zu diesen Aufzeichnungen bis 1852. Viele Grüße aus Cincinnati, Ohio, Fred Buck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marina Schlobohm" <marinaschlobohm(a)yahoo.de> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: [HN] Ahrens/Ohlrogge Hallo, ich suche die Familie von Claus Ahrens und Anne Ohlrogge, geb. 31.07.1784 gest. 06.05.1865 in Lamstedt. Die Kinder sind: Anna geb. 1805, Anna Margaretha geb. 1806, Betha geb. 1808, Maria geb. 1810, Mettha geb.1812, Gesch Margareth geb. 1814, Johann geb. 1818, alle sind in Seehausen/Grasberg geboren. Falls mir jemand helfen kann, wäre ich sehr dankbar. Herzliche Grüße aus Grasberg Marina (Schlobohm) --------------------------------- Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? Versuchen Sie´s mit dem neuen Yahoo! Mail. ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/04 17:57:55
From: Bernd H . Siebert <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Liste!Die folgende mail erhielt ich aus mir nicht bekannten Gründen. Kann jemand aus der Liste dem Herrn Neven helfen?
Gruß Bernd Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
Von: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be> Datum: 1. Januar 2008 15:19:36 MEZ An: <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de> Betreff: De Rooy Antwort an: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be> Geachte heer,Ich bin nicht deutssprachich und schreiben auch nicht aber ich verstehe ein bitchen deuts, so entschuldigen mir.Bitte kunnen sie mir hilfen?Ich suche information von De Rooy Ludwig Henri Willem ° Geismar oder Gismar 24/12/1921 gestorben 1944. Ludwig oder Louis war in die Kriegsmarine Deutsland. zeine eltern waren De Rooy Ludwig ° 19/03/1890 Berchem Belgie) + 24/07/1971 Eschweiler ( Duitsland) geheiratet 01/05/1910 moglich Gismar met Dorothea Weihe ° 13/09/1899 Gismar oder Geismar + 0/2/10/1967 Eschweiler (D). Dorothea's eltern; Weihe Adolf und Schroder/Schrake ? Dorothea. Dorothea Weihe is nach Belgien gekommen 06/09/1928 und zuruck nach Deutsland mit der Krieg 2.Ludwig De Rooy ° Berchem (B) war eine broeder von mein grossmuther De Rooy Philomena eltern von beiden sind De Rooy Louis ° Oorderen (B) und Dierckx Virginia ° Antwerpen (B)Louis De Rooy und Dorothea Weihe haben 3 kinder, De Rooy Rudolf Joseph Frans august° Gottingen 29/12/1924 + EschweilerDe Rooy Leonard Frans Maria ° Mechelen (B) 18/05/1931 x Hannelore Welz )sie sind gestorben DeutslandDe Rooy Louis Henri Willem ° Geismar 24/12/1921.Die ganze familie ist todt und ich sollte gern information haben, weil ich meine stambaum machen von die famile De Rooy und Dierckx.Mit vielen grüssen mims No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: 31/12/2007 15:32
Date: 2008/01/04 18:10:33
From: genealogie <genealogie(a)klauskunze.com>
Mit freundlichen Grüßen Klaus Kunze Lange Str. 28 37170 Uslar Tel.: 05574-944676 Fax: 05571-6327 Email: Genealogie(a)KlausKunze.com http://www.KlausKunze.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernd H.Siebert" <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover Mailingliste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: [HN] De Rooy Liebe Liste! Die folgende mail erhielt ich aus mir nicht bekannten Gründen. Kann jemand aus der Liste dem Herrn Neven helfen? Gruß Bernd Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
Von: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be> Datum: 1. Januar 2008 15:19:36 MEZ An: <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de> Betreff: De Rooy Antwort an: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be> Geachte heer, Ich bin nicht deutssprachich und schreiben auch nicht aber ich verstehe ein bitchen deuts, so entschuldigen mir. Bitte kunnen sie mir hilfen? Ich suche information von De Rooy Ludwig Henri Willem ° Geismar oder Gismar 24/12/1921 gestorben 1944. Ludwig oder Louis war in die Kriegsmarine Deutsland. zeine eltern waren De Rooy Ludwig ° 19/03/1890 Berchem Belgie) + 24/07/1971 Eschweiler ( Duitsland) geheiratet 01/05/1910 moglich Gismar met Dorothea Weihe ° 13/09/1899 Gismar oder Geismar + 0/2/10/1967 Eschweiler (D). Dorothea's eltern; Weihe Adolf und Schroder/Schrake ? Dorothea. Dorothea Weihe is nach Belgien gekommen 06/09/1928 und zuruck nach Deutsland mit der Krieg 2. Ludwig De Rooy ° Berchem (B) war eine broeder von mein grossmuther De Rooy Philomena eltern von beiden sind De Rooy Louis ° Oorderen (B) und Dierckx Virginia ° Antwerpen (B) Louis De Rooy und Dorothea Weihe haben 3 kinder, De Rooy Rudolf Joseph Frans august° Gottingen 29/12/1924 + Eschweiler De Rooy Leonard Frans Maria ° Mechelen (B) 18/05/1931 x Hannelore Welz )sie sind gestorben Deutsland De Rooy Louis Henri Willem ° Geismar 24/12/1921. Die ganze familie ist todt und ich sollte gern information haben, weil ich meine stambaum machen von die famile De Rooy und Dierckx. Mit vielen grüssen mims No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: 31/12/2007 15:32
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Date: 2008/01/04 19:19:59
From: maryjane O'C-L <maryjane_ocl(a)hotmail.com>
If it helps in any way I have de Rooys in Sri Lanka (ex Ceylon) The first person in this family who was Gysbert de Rooy who came from Welle in the province of Lemberg in Holland to India in 1773 on the ship "Landskroon" and then he went on to Jaffna Sri Lanka (Ceylon) where he married an Isabella Meyer. They had 7 children namely, John William b 1783, Lourens 1788, Margarita 1795, Caroline Elisabeth b 1799, Anne Catherine b 1802, Lewis (Louis ?)b 1804 and Johannes b 1807. MaryJane ...........Suffolk UK.> From: BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:53:19 +0100> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] De Rooy> > Liebe Liste!> > Die folgende mail erhielt ich aus mir nicht bekannten Gründen. Kann > jemand aus der Liste dem Herrn Neven helfen?> > Gruß> Bernd> > > > Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:> > > Von: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be>> > Datum: 1. Januar 2008 15:19:36 MEZ> > An: <BerndHSiebert(a)t-online.de>> > Betreff: De Rooy> > Antwort an: "Mims Neven" <mims.neven(a)scarlet.be>> >> >> > Geachte heer,> >> > Ich bin nicht deutssprachich und schreiben auch nicht aber ich > > verstehe ein bitchen deuts, so entschuldigen mir.> >> > Bitte kunnen sie mir hilfen?> > Ich suche information von De Rooy Ludwig Henri Willem ° Geismar > > oder Gismar 24/12/1921 gestorben 1944. Ludwig oder Louis war in die > > Kriegsmarine Deutsland. zeine eltern waren De Rooy Ludwig ° > > 19/03/1890 Berchem Belgie) + 24/07/1971 Eschweiler ( Duitsland) > > geheiratet 01/05/1910 moglich Gismar met Dorothea Weihe ° > > 13/09/1899 Gismar oder Geismar + 0/2/10/1967 Eschweiler (D). > > Dorothea's eltern; Weihe Adolf und Schroder/Schrake ? Dorothea.> > Dorothea Weihe is nach Belgien gekommen 06/09/1928 und zuruck nach > > Deutsland mit der Krieg 2.> >> >> > Ludwig De Rooy ° Berchem (B) war eine broeder von mein grossmuther > > De Rooy Philomena eltern von beiden sind De Rooy Louis ° Oorderen > > (B) und Dierckx Virginia ° Antwerpen (B)> >> > Louis De Rooy und Dorothea Weihe haben 3 kinder,> > De Rooy Rudolf Joseph Frans august° Gottingen 29/12/1924 + Eschweiler> > De Rooy Leonard Frans Maria ° Mechelen (B) 18/05/1931 x Hannelore > > Welz )sie sind gestorben Deutsland> > De Rooy Louis Henri Willem ° Geismar 24/12/1921.> >> > Die ganze familie ist todt und ich sollte gern information haben, > > weil ich meine stambaum machen von die famile De Rooy und Dierckx.> >> > Mit vielen grüssen> > mims> >> >> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1205 - Release Date: > > 31/12/2007 15:32> >> > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx
Date: 2008/01/04 20:13:52
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>
If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name
Thank you
Deborah Ramsey
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Date: 2008/01/04 20:23:54
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>
Dear Mona,
You are a true angle in the dark. My great grand fathers name was Frank Brunner he was born September 5, 1871 on the papers from the state of Ohio Untied states Department of labor naturalization services he say's he was born in Bohemia Austria.He arrived in new york new york May 22, 1902 and sailed on the ship Barbarossa he left Berman Germeny I know from our cencus that he was here in Cincinnati and married with childern in 1908 I know he married my Great Grandmother Anna It is either karsel or korsel from litchnia czechoslovakia. I still hve one living Aunt who can rember some. She said That Frank left to avoid the draft and cam to the U.S. She said anna left ended up in Boston workking for a rich irishman then came to Cincinnati, Ohio got married and started a family by the cencus of 1910 here.
Any help you can give me is wonderful I am currantly taking German classes so I can read most of the messages sent. Thank you again
Deborah Ramsey
Mona <HeritageHunt(a)Sandyview.info> wrote:
> Thank you for responding to me about my grandfather. I am having
> such a hard time finding the town he is from on the immagration
papers > it says bohemia austria but my aunt says morvia
That's probably Moravia, a region in Europe.
Here's a description of the ship, but you may already have found this:
http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/shipb.htm
Tell us his name - maybe we can find some other places to search.
> can you help me find this town I know he left hte port of Berman in
1902 in the spring and arrived here on the barbarossa in new york in may
of 1902 but I can't find him at ellis or anywhere else. I have tried to
locate the Barbarossa's passinger list but the ship was taken opver and
used during ww ii as a battle ship I haven't been able to find anyone
with the records.
>
> I can track all of my relitives very easy here in the u. s. but
once the boat docked here it was as they never existed. what do I do??
>
> Thanks for your help
> Debbie Ramsey
> ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com
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Date: 2008/01/04 20:28:29
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>
Hi Deborah! Try http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/ Type Greiwe into the search field and click "Suchen". Good luck, Andrea (Korbanka)> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800> From: ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover> > If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.> Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name > > Thank you > Deborah Ramsey> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _________________________________________________________________ Importieren Sie ganz einfach Ihre E-Mail Adressen in den Messenger! http://messenger.live.de/community/neuekontakte_adressimport.html
Date: 2008/01/05 01:54:43
From: WBL435 <WBL435(a)aol.com>
I just located my Great Grandmother, Katrina Wendt. The information said she was born in 1804 in Hannover, Niedersachsen, Germany. Would the Hannover be the same as the Kingdom of Hannover? Also is Niedersachsen the name of a town? If so where is it located in Germany? Her husband was Heinrich Sigusmond Wendt. He never came to America. Any help would be highly appreciated. Bill Leichter **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
Date: 2008/01/05 10:13:22
From: Manfred <Manfred.Puffahrt(a)t-online.de>
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, um 1700 tauchen in Kaarßen zwei Pentz auf wo die Herkunft unbekannt ist. Dorothea Elisabeth Pentz geb. ~ 1687 und Andreas Ludwig Pentz heiratet nach 1717 eine Magd. Ursel Hellwig aus Kaarßen Wer kann weiterhelfen? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Manfred Puffahrt Stapel
Date: 2008/01/05 11:05:07
From: Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>
Here commming the people with name Greiwe Greiwe, Stephan - Stolzestr. 40, Hannover Telefon 49 511 2831400 Greetings Peter 2008/1/4, D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>: > > If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of > Greiwe. > Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name > > Thank you > Deborah Ramsey > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > -- Fürchte nicht Deine Feinde, sondern fürchte die, denen Du vertraust.
Date: 2008/01/05 11:48:55
From: Küster Ulrich <Ulrich.Kuester(a)t-online.de>
Hallo,in KB-Einträgen habe ich mehrfach bei Taufpaten die Berufsbezeichnung "Vornehmer Kaufherr" gelesen. Was verstand man um 1690 darunter?
Viele Grüße Ulrich (Küster)
Date: 2008/01/05 12:20:24
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>
Hi Bill, I also have a Katarina Wendt in my files, she is the daughter of Gebkke Langen and Heinrich Wendt and was born 1799; if by any chance she had a brother Heinrich Sigismund, I do not know. Her family was from Sudweyhe near Bremen. In case you get more details and see a possible connection, let me know. Hannover could either be the city of Hannover or the area of the former kingdom of Hannover, which in many parts is identical with what today is called Niedersachsen. All the locations you mentioned are not very precise, so finding the exact place will be e challenge. Erika----- Original Message ----- From: <WBL435(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:43 AM Subject: [HN] Information request I just located my Great Grandmother, Katrina Wendt. The information said she was born in 1804 in Hannover, Niedersachsen, Germany. Would the Hannover be the same as the Kingdom of Hannover? Also is Niedersachsen the name of a town? If so where is it located in Germany? Her husband was Heinrich Sigusmond Wendt. He never came to America. Any help would be highly appreciated. Bill Leichter **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/05 12:25:08
From: Anke E. Waldmann <anke(a)die-waldmanns.de>
Hi Deborah, Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia - especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve, too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for. I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen, county of Osnabrück. Anke Waldmann www.die-waldmanns.de www.grambergen.de ______ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com> Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe. Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name Thank you Deborah Ramsey
Date: 2008/01/05 12:35:02
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
Hi Bill It's not so easy to give a helpful answer. Hannover could be the city of Hannover but also the Kingdom of Hannover. I have the same problem with an emigrant to England. The census tells his place of birth is Hannover but nobody in Hannover City (Archives) have information about him and so I think he came from the Kingdom of Hannover. But which place? Most emigrants from the Kingdom of Hannover told they would come from Hannover. Nobody knows today from which Hannover. Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) is a state (province) of Germany. It's located in the north of Germany. The capital is Hannover. It was founded after WW2. Unfortunately does I know nothing about your Wendt family. I hope the other explanation was a small help. Have a nice weekend. Wolfgang Buchhorn Braunschweig (Brunswick) Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht? Have you already visited my web page? www.wbuchhorn.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von WBL435(a)aol.com Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Januar 2008 01:43 An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Betreff: [HN] Information request I just located my Great Grandmother, Katrina Wendt. The information said she was born in 1804 in Hannover, Niedersachsen, Germany. Would the Hannover be the same as the Kingdom of Hannover? Also is Niedersachsen the name of a town? If so where is it located in Germany? Her husband was Heinrich Sigusmond Wendt. He never came to America. Any help would be highly appreciated. Bill Leichter
Date: 2008/01/05 20:38:12
From: Ralf G. Jordan <ahnen(a)rgjordan.de>
Hallo, Ich habe im Laufe der Zeit verschiedene alte Lexika online gefunden. Da wir alle immer mal wieder entsprechende Quellen benötigen hier mal einige Links (Aufgrund der Ordnung nach Lexika kann es zu Mehrfachnennungen kommen): - Meyers Konversationslexikon 1882-1892 4. Auflage http://www.retrobibliothek.de/retrobib/stoebern.html http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon - Biografisches Künstlerlexikon http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon - Merck's Warenlexikon, 1884, 3. Auflage [Beschreibung der im Handel vorkommenden Natur- und Kunsterzeugnisse unter besonderer Berücksichtigung der chemisch-technischen und anderer Fabrikate, der Droguen- und Farbewaren, der Kolonialwaren, der Landesprodukte, der Material- und Mineralwaren.] http://www.retrobibliothek.de/retrobib/stoebern.html http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon - Handbuch der Drogistenpraxis 1893 http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon - Brockhaus Konversationslexikon, (16 Bd. + 1 Supplement) 1884-1896 14. Auflage http://www.retrobibliothek.de/retrobib/stoebern.html http://peter-hug.ch/lexikon - Deutsches Rechtswörterbuch http://drw-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/drw/ oder http://129.206.119.53/~cd2/drw/ - Deutsches Wörterbuch von Jacob Grimm und Wilhelm Grimm. 16 Bde. [in 32 Teilbänden]. Leipzig: S. Hirzel 1854-1960 http://germazope.uni-trier.de/Projects/DWB - Übersichtsseite zu -- Deutsches WB (Grimm; siehe auch oben) -- Mittelhochdeutsches WB (Nachlass Benecke) -- Mittelhochdeutsches HandWB von Lexer -- Mittelhochdeutscher Wortschatz -- Pfälzisches WB (Wörterbuch) -- Rheinisches WB -- WB Elsässische Mundarten -- WB Deutsch-Lothringische Mundarten -- Goethe WB http://www.woerterbuchnetz.de/ - Biographisch-bibliographisches Kirchenlexikon http://www.bautz.de/bbkl/ Daneben gibt es noch moderne Ansätze (zwar etwas ausserhalb der Listengebiete...) - Sächsische Biografie http://isgv.serveftp.org/saebi/projekt.php Kein Anspruch auf Vollständigkeit Viel Spass beim Stöbern, Finden, Schmunzeln... Ralf (Jordan) ahnen(a)rgjordan.de
Date: 2008/01/05 21:37:13
From: Herbert.Kunkel <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>
Hallo Mitstreiter. Ich habe schon eine Frage im neuen Jahr. Hier ist sie: Heinrich Ernst BUSCHE wurde noch 1872 als Eleve in Levesen, KS Seggebruch. Schaumburg. Hannover genannt. Dort wurde auch am 8.2.1848 sein Sohn Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm getauft.Wo er aber geboren wurde und wann, wo und wann er starb ist nicht ersichtlich. Es geht aus den mir vorliegenden Unterlagen des Staatsarchivs Bueckeburg nicht hervor.
Genausowenig wie das Datum seiner Ehe mit Anna Engel Marie Eleonore SCHAEKEL, geb. in Hespe. Wer forscht in Schaumburg, Schaumburg-Lippe, hat BUSCHE oder SCHAEKEL in seinen Namenslisten und ist zum Austausch entsprechender bereit? Aus Barcelona mit den besten Wuenschen fuer ein friedvolles 2008 Herbert (Kunkel) Herbert (at) theKunkels.comInteressiert an KUNKEL, BUSCHE, FISCHER, KUHSE, ZEITZ, HAKER, EVERT, WOLF. ELZENER
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Date: 2008/01/05 22:18:28
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>
Hallo Herbert, hast Du schon mal bei den Schaumburger Auswanderern geguckt? http://www.histag-schaumburg.de/page/page_ID/76?PHPSESSID=37395c1cc4750855412bce6ebd7e28f4 (Achtung! Beim Zeilenumbruch im Link, diesen wieder zusammenfügen!) Dort findet man einige Busches aus Liekwegen und Helpsen. Vielleicht hilft es Dir ja! Gruß, Björn----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert.Kunkel" <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>
To: "hessen" <hessen-L(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen Hallo Mitstreiter. Ich habe schon eine Frage im neuen Jahr. Hier ist sie: Heinrich Ernst BUSCHE wurde noch 1872 als Eleve in Levesen, KS Seggebruch. Schaumburg. Hannover genannt. Dort wurde auch am 8.2.1848 sein Sohn Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm getauft. Wo er aber geboren wurde und wann, wo und wann er starb ist nicht ersichtlich. Es geht aus den mir vorliegenden Unterlagen des Staatsarchivs Bueckeburg nicht hervor. Genausowenig wie das Datum seiner Ehe mit Anna Engel Marie Eleonore SCHAEKEL, geb. in Hespe. Wer forscht in Schaumburg, Schaumburg-Lippe, hat BUSCHE oder SCHAEKEL in seinen Namenslisten und ist zum Austausch entsprechender bereit? Aus Barcelona mit den besten Wuenschen fuer ein friedvolles 2008 Herbert (Kunkel) Herbert (at) theKunkels.com Interessiert an KUNKEL, BUSCHE, FISCHER, KUHSE, ZEITZ, HAKER, EVERT, WOLF. ELZENER -- Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender, die bei mir bis jetzt 604 Spammails entfernt hat. Bezahlende Anwender haben diesen Hinweis nicht in ihren E-Mails. Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/06 02:57:16
From: Dawn Ullmann <dullmannfamily(a)yahoo.com>
I am searching for any info for my g-g-grandfather Anton Garbe. His tombstone in US states he was from Salzemmendorf in Hanover and was born in 1829. I believe he also had a brother, Conrad. They came to the US around 1850. Where is Salzemmendorf in Hanover? Also, if anyone else is searching or has info, I would love to exchange info.
Thanks-
Dawn
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Date: 2008/01/06 04:58:59
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Good Evening to All,I have been trying to put together my family history. I am finding out it is very hard from the US. My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born October 1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen on the ship named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were destroyed during the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4, 1908. His ship log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census reports in Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate his son was the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg?? I do know Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named Gottlieb. Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to America May 22, 1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a blessing at this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
sandy sievers
Date: 2008/01/06 07:43:00
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
Hi Bill, Hanover at 1804 will be the kingdom of Hannover. Niedersachsen is not a town, it´´s a state like your Iowa, Ohio etc. Wendt is a very common name in Germany. Do you know from waht port she started to the US? Try GEOGEN and you may see whre most of the Wendts today live. Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: <WBL435(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:43 AM Subject: [HN] Information request
I just located my Great Grandmother, Katrina Wendt. The information saidshe was born in 1804 in Hannover, Niedersachsen, Germany. Would the Hannover be the same as the Kingdom of Hannover? Also is Niedersachsen the name of atown? If so where is it located in Germany? Her husband was HeinrichSigusmond Wendt. He never came to America. Any help would be highly appreciated.Bill Leichter **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Date: 2008/01/06 08:28:39
From: Stefan Kramer <mail(a)kramer-stefan.de>
Hallo,am 03.01.08 23:00 lief auf Phoenix eine Doku über die WASt, ihre Mitarbeiter und deren Arbeit. Ich fand den Beitrag recht interessant.
Leider konnte ich nichts über eine Wiederholung finden. Den Beitrag kann man sich über das Bittorrent-Netzwerk herunter laden: http://www.torrent.to/torrent/upload/doku/358/222358/2277-www.torrent.to...DeutscheDienststelle.avi.torrent Gruß, Stefan -- www.kramer-stefan.de Ages!-Mailingliste: http://groups.google.de/group/Ages-Liste?hl=de
Date: 2008/01/06 09:21:14
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>
Hallo Herbert,ich bin's noch mal. Ich vergaß, ganz zu erwähnen, dass auch ich SCHÄKEL bzw. SCHEKEL in meiner Ahneliste habe. Diese kamen aus Volksdorf, allerdings vor 1660. Vielleicht treffen sich unsere Familien ja irgendwann.
Beste Grüße, Björn Meine Daten: www.bjoern-sassenberg.de/page7.html----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert.Kunkel" <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>
To: "hessen" <hessen-L(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen Hallo Mitstreiter. Ich habe schon eine Frage im neuen Jahr. Hier ist sie: Heinrich Ernst BUSCHE wurde noch 1872 als Eleve in Levesen, KS Seggebruch. Schaumburg. Hannover genannt. Dort wurde auch am 8.2.1848 sein Sohn Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm getauft. Wo er aber geboren wurde und wann, wo und wann er starb ist nicht ersichtlich. Es geht aus den mir vorliegenden Unterlagen des Staatsarchivs Bueckeburg nicht hervor. Genausowenig wie das Datum seiner Ehe mit Anna Engel Marie Eleonore SCHAEKEL, geb. in Hespe. Wer forscht in Schaumburg, Schaumburg-Lippe, hat BUSCHE oder SCHAEKEL in seinen Namenslisten und ist zum Austausch entsprechender bereit? Aus Barcelona mit den besten Wuenschen fuer ein friedvolles 2008 Herbert (Kunkel) Herbert (at) theKunkels.com Interessiert an KUNKEL, BUSCHE, FISCHER, KUHSE, ZEITZ, HAKER, EVERT, WOLF. ELZENER -- Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender, die bei mir bis jetzt 604 Spammails entfernt hat. Bezahlende Anwender haben diesen Hinweis nicht in ihren E-Mails. Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/06 09:58:55
From: Herbert.Kunkel <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>
Hallo Bjoern. Wenn mich meine Erinnerung nicht taeuscht, dann ist Hespe das Nachbardorf von Volksdorf und mein Auszug aus den Staatsarchiv nennt die SCHAEKEL nurals "aus Hespe". Beide Doerfer waren frueher wahrscheinlich der Kirche von Meerbeck
zugeordnet, heute wohl Samtgemeinde Niedernwoehren.Meine Schaekel und die von Dir koennten also durchaus einer Sippe sein. Vielleicht sind sie es?
Herbert Herbert (at) theKunkels.com Interessiert an KUNKEL, BUSCHE, FISCHER, KUHSE, ZEITZ, HAKER, EVERT, WOLF. ELZENER Herbert (at) theKunkels.com Interessiert an KUNKEL, BUSCHE, FISCHER, KUHSE, ZEITZ, HAKER, EVERT, WOLF. ELZENER----- Original Message ----- From: "Björn Sassenberg" <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Sonntag, 6. Januar 2008 09:21 Subject: Re: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen Hallo Herbert, ich bin's noch mal. Ich vergaß, ganz zu erwähnen, dass auch ich SCHÄKEL bzw. SCHEKEL in meiner Ahneliste habe. Diese kamen aus Volksdorf, allerdings vor 1660. Vielleicht treffen sich unsere Familien ja irgendwann. Beste Grüße, Björn Meine Daten: www.bjoern-sassenberg.de/page7.html----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert.Kunkel" <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>
To: "hessen" <hessen-L(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:23 PM Subject: [HN] BUSCHE und SCHAEKEL in Levesen Hallo Mitstreiter. Ich habe schon eine Frage im neuen Jahr. Hier ist sie: Heinrich Ernst BUSCHE wurde noch 1872 als Eleve in Levesen, KS Seggebruch. Schaumburg. Hannover genannt. Dort wurde auch am 8.2.1848 sein Sohn Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm getauft. Wo er aber geboren wurde und wann, wo und wann er starb ist nicht ersichtlich. Es geht aus den mir vorliegenden Unterlagen des Staatsarchivs Bueckeburg nicht hervor. Genausowenig wie das Datum seiner Ehe mit Anna Engel Marie Eleonore SCHAEKEL, geb. in Hespe. Wer forscht in Schaumburg, Schaumburg-Lippe, hat BUSCHE oder SCHAEKEL in seinen Namenslisten und ist zum Austausch entsprechender bereit? Aus Barcelona mit den besten Wuenschen fuer ein friedvolles 2008 Herbert (Kunkel) Herbert (at) theKunkels.com Interessiert an KUNKEL, BUSCHE, FISCHER, KUHSE, ZEITZ, HAKER, EVERT, WOLF. ELZENER -- Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender, die bei mir bis jetzt 604 Spammails entfernt hat. Bezahlende Anwender haben diesen Hinweis nicht in ihren E-Mails. Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l -- Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender, die bei mir bis jetzt 605 Spammails entfernt hat. Bezahlende Anwender haben diesen Hinweis nicht in ihren E-Mails. Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde
Date: 2008/01/06 11:44:37
From: Susanne Romeike <susanneromeike(a)aol.com>
Dear Dawn,Anton Garbe born in Salzhemmendorf was also MY ggggrandfather. Please contact me.
thanks Susanne----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Ullmann" <dullmannfamily(a)yahoo.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:54 AM Subject: [HN] Garbe from SalzemmendorfI am searching for any info for my g-g-grandfather Anton Garbe. His tombstone in US states he was from Salzemmendorf in Hanover and was born in 1829. I believe he also had a brother, Conrad. They came to the US around 1850. Where is Salzemmendorf in Hanover? Also, if anyone else is searching or has info, I would love to exchange info.
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Date: 2008/01/06 13:14:20
From: Genealogie Fritsche <genealogie(a)ib-fritsche.de>
Hallo Stefan, << Ich fand den Beitrag recht interessant >> klar, das ist wie immer Geschmacks- und Ansichtssache, worüber sich natürlich nicht streiten läßt ... Ich hatte den Film von Bernhard Sallmann (er heißt "Deutsche Diernststelle") bereits vor Jahren mal gesehen, er stammt ja bereits aus 1999. Es ist kein eigentlicher Dokumentarfilm über die Arbeit der WASt, eher einer, der das Seelenleben einzelner Mitarbeiter der WASt dokumentiert. Sie schildern an wenigen Fällen, was sie bei ihrer Arbeit fanden und was sie dabei empfinden. Der Film ist durchweg mit recht langatmigen Szenen, ohne jeglichen Dialog, angelegt, ist sicher eher künstlerisch als sachlich-informativ anspruchsvoll. Gut möglich, daß man aus einer solchen Behörde auch nicht anders berichten kann ... Viele Grüße, Jürgen ******************************************************************* Jürgen Fritsche Taunusring 56, 63150 Heusenstamm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ mailto:genealogie(a)ib-fritsche.de http://www.genealogie-fritsche.de ******************************************************************* Forum "Ahnensuche Mitteldeutschland" http://www.ahnensuche-mitteldeutschland.de ******************************************************************* Forschungsprojekt "FRIT(Z)SCH(E)-Datenbank": http://www.genealogie-fritsche.de/fritsche-db.htm Forschungprojekt "Sanitäts-Einheiten im 2. WK" http://www.genealogie-fritsche.de/sanitaetseinheiten.htm ******************************************************************* -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Ahnenforschungsgruppe(a)yahoogroups.de [mailto:Ahnenforschungsgruppe(a)yahoogroups.de] Im Auftrag von Stefan Kramer Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. Januar 2008 08:28 An: Liste Yahoo Ahnenforschungsgruppe; Liste Hannover-Land; Liste FamNord Betreff: [Ahnenforschungsgruppe] Beitrag auf Phoenix über die WASt Hallo, am 03.01.08 23:00 lief auf Phoenix eine Doku über die WASt, ihre Mitarbeiter und deren Arbeit. Ich fand den Beitrag recht interessant. Leider konnte ich nichts über eine Wiederholung finden. Den Beitrag kann man sich über das Bittorrent-Netzwerk herunter laden: http://www.torrent.to/torrent/upload/doku/358/222358/2277-www.torrent.to...DeutscheDienststelle.avi.torrent Gruß, Stefan
Date: 2008/01/06 14:05:39
From: Hanno V. J. Kolbe <kolbe(a)hicleones.com>
Sandy Cooper wrote:
My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers was born October 1832 in Germany. His ship log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate his son was the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??
Hamburg/Hannover ? No. You have the original of the death certificate ? Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error. What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ... Greetings Hanno (V.J.Kolbe)
Date: 2008/01/07 00:01:02
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from Hannover,and a peasant. What does that mean? Why in 1856 would he have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863. Why the change? His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found. Although, I can find anything to confirm it.
Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in germany did I come from.
Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Hanno V. J. Kolbe wrote:
Sandy Cooper wrote:My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers was born October 1832 in Germany. His shiplog said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate his son wasthe information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??Hamburg/Hannover ? No. You have the original of the death certificate ? Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error. What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ... Greetings Hanno (V.J.Kolbe) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 03:06:32
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
HI Sandy:
Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?
Here is what I find. It includes aparently a whole family of
Seivers.
[1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex [6]Arrived
[7]Origin [8]Ship
CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY
GEFINA [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 10 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA
This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis Island.
[16]WWW.CastleGarden.org
You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of interest
by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and 1856 for
the other. Then select the ships Stella for one and Borussia for the
other. Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card *
Gale
Gale
On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:
Good Evening to All,
I have been trying to put together my family history. I am finding
out
it is very hard from the US. My gg grandfather was Heinrich
Gottlieb
Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born October
1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New
Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen on the
ship
named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were destroyed during
the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4, 1908. His
ship
log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census reports in
Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate his son
was
the information giver, and the son said his father was from
Hamburg??
I do know Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named
Gottlieb.
Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to America May
22,
1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a blessing at
this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
sandy sievers
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References
1. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=first&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
2. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=last&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
3. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occupation&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
4. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
5. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
6. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arrived&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
7. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=origin&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
8. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ship&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
9. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222
10. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221
11. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220
12. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219
13. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224
14. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223
15. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460
16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/
Date: 2008/01/07 03:17:19
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>
Hat jemand schon mal dieses Buch gesehen oder weiß wo es einzusehen ist? Fred -- Fred Rump, 730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120 fredrump(a)gmail.com http://fredrump.phanfare.com We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it. Jefferson (1820)
Date: 2008/01/07 03:54:00
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Gale,Thanks for your help. Yes, I did look at the whole manifest, but it is the weirdest thing. If you look at the others with my gg grandfather they NEVER show up again.....anywhere. I know he landed in 1856 in New Orleans, La. I also know he spent his life in Ruma, Randolph County, Il. I have a census for 1870,1880, and 1900. Never have i found info on the others that show on the manifest. It's like they disappeared?? Plus, look at the ages, he was 21yrs. but it says there was a daughter Catherina 17yrs and Tekla 24 yrs. Then, a wife that was 49yrs.?? Someone once told me that maybe he was "just bringing them over". because they were all women and usually women would not travel by themselves. What do you think? I have tried to search for each of them on Ancestry and have had no luck. But I did find my gg grandfather. Any suggestions??
I also found my gg Uncle Gottlieb Sievers.....but once again I still can not find where they come from in Germany. My husband says I am "true German" because I have been at this on my own for almost 10 years......and wont quit. I want to visit Germany one day soon, to see where my famiy came from.
Blessings & Joy, sandy sievers cooper On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:06 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
HI Sandy:  Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?  Here is what I find. It includes aparently a whole family of Seivers.  [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex [6]Arrived [7]Origin [8]Ship CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY ÂGEFINA [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 10 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA   GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA  This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis Island.  [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org ÂYou can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of interestby intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and 1856 forthe other. Then select the ships Stella for one and Borussia for theother. Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card *   Gale   Gale On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote: Good Evening to All, I have been trying to put together my family history. I am finding out  it is very hard from the US.  My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb ÂSievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born October 1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New  Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen on the ship Ânamed the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were destroyed during the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4, 1908. His ship  log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census reports in  Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate his son was  the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??  I do know  Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named Gottlieb.  Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to America May 22, Â1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a blessing at this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this. sandy sievers ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l References1. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=first&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 2. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=last&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 3. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occupation&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 4. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 5. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 6. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arrived&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 7. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=origin&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 8. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ship&p_first_name=&p_last_name= %&co_code =-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=18569. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222 10. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221 11. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220 12. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219 13. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224 14. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223 15. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460 16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 04:17:47
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
Hi Sandy:
The titles wife, daughter, etc does not necessarily mean that the
listed relationship is to your relative. The wife could be his aunt
the daughters could be the aunt's daughters or maybe his sisters.
However, I am betting that the "wife" was the mother of all the
others and Heinrich was her oldest son and Tekla was her oldest
daughter. As the oldest adult son, Heinrich was responsible for all
of them.
If you go to Germany, where would you go? You don't know where they
came from.
However, with six people, there just has to be a paper trail
somewhere.
Gale
On Jan 6, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:
Hi Gale,
Thanks for your help. Yes, I did look at the whole manifest, but it
is
the weirdest thing. If you look at the others with my gg
grandfather
they NEVER show up again.....anywhere. I know he landed in 1856 in
New
Orleans, La. I also know he spent his life in Ruma, Randolph
County,
Il. I have a census for 1870,1880, and 1900. Never have i found
info
on the others that show on the manifest. It's like they
disappeared??
Plus, look at the ages, he was 21yrs. but it says there was a
daughter
Catherina 17yrs and Tekla 24 yrs. Then, a wife that was 49yrs.??
Someone once told me that maybe he was "just bringing them over".
because they were all women and usually women would not travel by
themselves. What do you think? I have tried to search for each of
them
on Ancestry and have had no luck. But I did find my gg grandfather.
Any suggestions??
I also found my gg Uncle Gottlieb Sievers.....but once again I
still
can not find where they come from in Germany. My husband says I am
"true German" because I have been at this on my own for almost 10
years......and wont quit. I want to visit Germany one day soon, to
see
where my famiy came from.
Blessings & Joy,
sandy sievers cooper
On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:06 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
>
> HI Sandy:
>
>
>
> Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?
>
>
>
> Here is what I find. It includes aparently a whole family
of
> Seivers.
>
>
>
> [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex
[6]Arrived
> [7]Origin [8]Ship
> CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
> HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
> TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
> GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY
>
>
>
> GEFINA [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7 F 28 Oct 1856
GERMANY
> STELLA
> MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 10 F 28 Oct 1856
GERMANY
> STELLA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA
>
>
>
> This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis
Island.
>
>
>
> [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org
>
>
>
> You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of
> interest
> by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and
1856 for
> the other. Then select the ships Stella for one and
Borussia for
> the
> other. Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card *
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:
>
> Good Evening to All,
> I have been trying to put together my family history. I am
finding
> out
> it is very hard from the US. My gg grandfather was
Heinrich
> Gottlieb
> Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born
> October
>
> 1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New
> Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen
on the
> ship
> named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were
destroyed
> during
>
> the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4,
1908. His
> ship
> log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census
reports in
>
> Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate
his son
> was
> the information giver, and the son said his father was from
> Hamburg??
> I do know Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named
> Gottlieb.
> Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to
America May
> 22,
> 1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a
blessing
> at
>
> this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
> sandy sievers
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> References
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> 1.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=fir
st&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
> %&co_code
>
=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 2.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=las
t&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
> %&co_code
>
=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 3.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occ
upation&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
> %&co_code
>
=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 4.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age
&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
> %&co_code
>
=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 5.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex
&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
> %&co_code
>
=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 6.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arr
ived&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
> %&co_code
>
=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 7.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ori
gin&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
> %&co_code
>
=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 8.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=shi
p&p_first_name=&p_last_name=
> %&co_code
>
=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 9.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222
> 10.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221
> 11.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220
> 12.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219
> 13.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224
> 14.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223
> 15.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460
> 16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/
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Date: 2008/01/07 04:34:44
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
HI Sandy: I just noticed that the 1856 landing of Stella was in New York. You have New Orleans. Something is wrong here! They didn't have teleportation in those days and Scotty wasn't around. Also look for names on the manifest that are similiar to those where your ancestors settled. You may be able to trace them back. Five different families from my GF's home town in Germany wound up in the same county in Iowa. Gale For brevity the thread was deleated her, look at my pryor posting this date. ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 04:54:55
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
As far as going to Germany......I would have to have more of an exact location to search/visit. I made contact with a lady who works for the church in Hanover, Germany. She said most all records were there. At the time, we just could not afford the amount it would cost for her to search for me. I figured I would try to get as much info in the US before going there.
On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:17 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
Hi Sandy:  The titles wife, daughter, etc does not necessarily mean that thelisted relationship is to your relative. The wife could be his auntthe daughters could be the aunt's daughters or maybe his sisters.  However, I am betting that the "wife" was the mother of all the others and Heinrich was her oldest son and Tekla was her oldestdaughter. As the oldest adult son, Heinrich was responsible for allof them. ÂIf you go to Germany, where would you go? You don't know where theycame from.  However, with six people, there just has to be a paper trail somewhere.  Gale On Jan 6, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote: Hi Gale,Thanks for your help. Yes, I did look at the whole manifest, but itis  the weirdest thing. If you look at the others with my gg grandfather  they NEVER show up again.....anywhere. I know he landed in 1856 in New  Orleans, La. I also know he spent his life in Ruma, Randolph County,  Il. I have a census for 1870,1880, and 1900. Never have i found info  on the others that show on the manifest. It's like they disappeared??  Plus, look at the ages, he was 21yrs. but it says there was a daughter  Catherina 17yrs and Tekla 24 yrs. Then, a wife that was 49yrs.??  Someone once told me that maybe he was "just bringing them over". Âbecause they were all women and usually  women would not travel by themselves. What do you think? I have tried to search for each of them Âon Ancestry and have had no luck. But I did find my gg grandfather. Any suggestions?? I also found my gg Uncle Gottlieb Sievers.....but once again I still  can not find where they come from in Germany. My husband says I am  "true German" because I have been at this on my own for almost 10  years......and wont quit. I want to visit Germany one day soon, to see  where my famiy came from. Blessings & Joy, sandy sievers cooper On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:06 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote: HI Sandy:  à  Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?  à  Here is what I find.à  It includes aparently a whole familyof Seivers.  à  [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex[6]Arrived [7]Origin [8]Ship  CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA  HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA  TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA  GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY  à  GEFINA   [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7  F 28 Oct 1856GERMANY ÂSTELLA  MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER     10 F 28 Oct 1856GERMANY ÂSTELLA  à  à  à  GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA  à  This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of EllisIsland. à  [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org  à  You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates ofÂinterest  by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and1856 for the other.à  Then select the ships Stella for one andBorussia for Âthe  other.à  Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card *à à  à  Gale  à  à  Gale  On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:   Good Evening to All,   I have been trying to put together my family history. I amfinding  out à   it is very hard from the US. à My gg grandfather wasHeinrich  Gottlieb à   Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was bornÂOctober   à   1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New à   Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremenon the  ship à   named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records weredestroyed Âduring   à   the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4,1908. His  ship à   log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple censusreports in  à   Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificatehis son  was à   the information giver, and the son said his father was from   Hamburg?? à   I do know à  Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named   Gottlieb. à   Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came toAmerica May  22, à   1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be ablessing Âfile://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php? sort=desc&type=firat   à   this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.   sandy sievers   ______________________________________________   Hannover-L mailing list   Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net   http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l References  1.st&p_first_name=&p_last_name==-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856%&co_codefile://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php? sort=desc&type=las 2.t&p_first_name=&p_last_name==-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856%&co_codefile://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php? sort=desc&type=occ 3.upation&p_first_name=&p_last_name==-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856%&co_codefile://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php? sort=desc&type=age 4.&p_first_name=&p_last_name==-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856%&co_codefile://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php? sort=desc&type=sex 5.&p_first_name=&p_last_name==-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856%&co_codefile://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php? sort=desc&type=arr 6.ived&p_first_name=&p_last_name==-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856%&co_codefile://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php? sort=desc&type=ori 7.gin&p_first_name=&p_last_name==-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856%&co_codefile://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php? sort=desc&type=shi 8.p&p_first_name=&p_last_name==-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856%&co_code 9.file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222 10.file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221 11.file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220 12.file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219 13.file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224 14.file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223 15.file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460 16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 05:30:26
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:27 PM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
HI Sandy: ÂI just noticed that the 1856 landing of Stella was in New York. Youhave New Orleans. Something is wrong here! They didn't have teleportation in those days and Scotty wasn't around.  Also look for names on the manifest that are similiar to those whereyour ancestors settled. You may be able to trace them back.  Fivedifferent families from my GF's home town in Germany wound up in the same county in Iowa.  Gale ÂFor brevity the thread was deleated her, look at my pryor posting thisdate. ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 06:55:46
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
Please try and searcht there Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search
First, I would like to thank you for responding. I am truly grateful. Yes, I do have a copy of Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate. It says his occupation was a Black Smith. When he died he was 75 yrs, 4months, and 9 days old. That is how I confirmed his date of birth as Oct.25, 1832. Also, I was incorrect when I stated that Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate said he was from Hamburg. It does not list a place of birth other than Germany. I saw Hamburg on his son's death certificate. His son's list his place of birth and his parents. In the spot for father it says,"Henry G. Sievers born in Hamburg,Germany". The informant was a much younger sibling, she is still living today, but don't remember too much. On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from Hannover,and a peasant. What does that mean? Why in 1856 would he have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863. Why the change? His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found. Although, I can find anything to confirm it. Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in germany did I come from. Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Hanno V. J. Kolbe wrote:Sandy Cooper wrote:My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers was born October 1832 in Germany. His ship log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate his son was the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??Hamburg/Hannover ? No. You have the original of the death certificate ? Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error. What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ... Greetings Hanno (V.J.Kolbe) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Date: 2008/01/07 14:44:30
From: Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>
Die o.G. Schwester der Baumeisters Wilhelm Gassdorf aus H-Linden soll um 1880-1888 in Hannover geboren sein Eine Anfrage bei der Behörde der Stadt Hannover verlief ergebnislos. Sollte jemand mir zu dieser Ahnenforschung An- gaben machen können, wäre ich sehr dankbar. MfG Peter (Meister) -- Fürchte nicht Deine Feinde, sondern fürchte die, denen Du vertraust.
Date: 2008/01/07 15:08:39
From: Michael Spanuth <michael.spanuth(a)t-online.de>
Halle Peter, Ist dir bekannt, dass diverse GASSDORF - GAßDORF in Stadt HAN im Telefonbuch gemeldet sind? Gruß Michael (Spanuth) -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Meister Gesendet: Montag, 7. Januar 2008 14:44 An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Betreff: [HN] Suche Marie Gassdorf Die o.G. Schwester der Baumeisters Wilhelm Gassdorf aus H-Linden soll um 1880-1888 in Hannover geboren sein Eine Anfrage bei der Behörde der Stadt Hannover verlief ergebnislos. Sollte jemand mir zu dieser Ahnenforschung An- gaben machen können, wäre ich sehr dankbar. MfG Peter (Meister) -- Fürchte nicht Deine Feinde, sondern fürchte die, denen Du vertraust. ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 15:16:59
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Wow! Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says: SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October 1856. Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New Orleans. Hi Sandy I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census. I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old, ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832. And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok. And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next page they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would be still ok. But now the break in that story In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in Ruma, Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the same that lived before in St. Louis???? IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named Henry but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry Sievers was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the 1880 census he should be now about 12 years old????? Hope you have still some infos about that Armin
Date: 2008/01/07 15:34:23
From: Peter Meister <meisterphh(a)googlemail.com>
Hallo Michael, ja es ist mir bekannt, einer dieser Gaßdorfs ist an der Ahnenforschung interessiert, ein Cousin mütterlicherseits von mir. Die Familie ist aber zerstritten und von dem anderen Teil des Clans kann ich keine Hilfe erwarten. MfG Peter (Meister) Am 07.01.08 schrieb Michael Spanuth <michael.spanuth(a)t-online.de>: > > Halle Peter, > Ist dir bekannt, dass diverse GASSDORF - GAßDORF in Stadt HAN im > Telefonbuch > gemeldet sind? > Gruß Michael (Spanuth) > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Peter Meister > Gesendet: Montag, 7. Januar 2008 14:44 > An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Betreff: [HN] Suche Marie Gassdorf > > Die o.G. Schwester der Baumeisters Wilhelm Gassdorf aus H-Linden soll um > 1880-1888 in Hannover geboren sein > Eine Anfrage bei der Behörde der Stadt Hannover verlief ergebnislos. > Sollte > jemand mir zu dieser Ahnenforschung An- > gaben machen können, wäre ich sehr dankbar. > > MfG > Peter (Meister) > > -- > Fürchte nicht Deine Feinde, sondern fürchte die, > denen Du vertraust. > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > -- Fürchte nicht Deine Feinde, sondern fürchte die, denen Du vertraust.
Date: 2008/01/07 15:37:52
From: DSore10588 <dsore10588(a)aol.com>
Living in St. Louis and being born in Illinois is not all that far fetched. It happened in my family. They apparently moved for around three years to somewhere in Illinois in between census records. So, it could happen. ssage dated 01/07/08 08:17:33 Central Standard Time, AJHattorf writes: In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Wow! Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says: SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October 1856. Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New Orleans. Hi Sandy I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census. I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old, ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832. And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok. And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next page they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would be still ok. But now the break in that story In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in Ruma, Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the same that lived before in St. Louis???? IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named Henry but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry Sievers was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the 1880 census he should be now about 12 years old????? Hope you have still some infos about that Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 16:20:48
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
1870 Federal Census: St. Louis, MO Sievers, Henry, age 38, born in Hannover, Works in Brickyard Sievers, Sarah, age 24, born in Hannover Sievers, John, age 2, born in MO 1880 Federal Census: Ruma, Randolph County, IL Sievers, Henry, age 44, born Germany, Farmer, widower Sievers, Mina, age 18, born in IL Sievers, Henry, age 14, born in IL Sievers, Eliza, age 10, born in IL Sievers, Martha, age 7, born in IL Sievers, Julius, age 4, born in IL Koenig, Phillip, age 23, born MO, Wagon Maker Holgnagel, William, age 32, born Germany, BlacksmithUnfortunately I can't get this page of the 1880 census to come up on Ancestry, the above is from the index for the household.
Now if you look at Red Bud in 1870 you find the following which is a better match imho.
1870 Federal Census: Red Bud, Randolph County, IL Siebert, Henry, age 38, Blacksmith, born in Hannover SIebert, Amalia, age 32, born in Hannover Siebert, Minna, age 9, born in Illinois Siebert, Henry, age 3, born in IllinoisIf you look at the 1900 Census for the Henry Siever in Ruma you will see his occupation is Blacksmith. I think the Henry Siever of Ruma is the same as the Henry Siebert in Red Bud in 1870. Keep in mind the ages given in the census are very erratic, especially the older a person gets.
Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 09:37 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Living in St. Louis and being born in Illinois is not all that far fetched. It happened in my family. They apparently moved for around three years to somewhere in Illinois in between census records. So, it could happen.ssage dated 01/07/08 08:17:33 Central Standard Time, AJHattorf writes: In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Wow! Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says: SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October 1856. Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New Orleans. Hi Sandy I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census. I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for theshiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old, ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of thearrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832. And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok. And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the nextpage they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what wouldbe still ok. But now the break in that story In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in Ruma, Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the same that lived before in St. Louis???? IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named Henry but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry Sievers was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the 1880 census he should be now about 12 years old????? Hope you have still some infos about that Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 16:35:26
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
Date: 2008/01/07 17:23:40
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Joel I think you have found the right one!!!! Yes, that fits much better than the worker in the brickyard. I think your research is perfect. We will see what Sandy is thinking about it. 1880 Federal Census: Ruma, Randolph County, IL Sievers, Henry, age 44, born Germany, Farmer, widower Sievers, Mina, age 18, born in IL Sievers, Henry, age 14, born in IL ..................................... 1870 Federal Census: Red Bud, Randolph County, IL Siebert, Henry, age 38, Blacksmith, born in Hannover SIebert, Amalia, age 32, born in Hannover Siebert, Minna, age 9, born in Illinois Siebert, Henry, age 3, born in Illinois 1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France And he is blacksmith and Minna is about 9 years in 1870 and 18 in 1880 same with Henry. One year up or down from one census to another is ok. Thats what i meant when i says "there is something wrong in paradise". The question is, is the men in the 1856 shiplist really the right one? I will try to see if there is a Henry XXXXX and a Amalia XXX in the shiplist. Cause one thing is sure the year of immigration 1856 is correct, i saw that year in the 1900 census for Henry Sievers. But with all that Henry Sievers in the census there might be 2 coming from Germany in 1856. Armin
Date: 2008/01/07 17:59:52
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi all together Yes that Henry Sievers in the 1900 census is Blacksmith and he is married since 20 years. So its surely the same one we had in the 1880 census, cause this one was a widower in 1880. The only question is: Is he the one in the shiplist or do we have two persons named Henry Sievers coming 1856 from Germany??? The year of birth of the one Sandy told us is 21 years in 1856 that would mean that one we have in the ship list is born 1835 not 1832, ok i know there are sometimes reasons why people dont wanted to tell their real age when they left Germany, cause they wanted not to serve in the german army .... Armin
Date: 2008/01/07 18:09:30
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Thank Bernd. I will give it a try. Is it www.geogen.com? blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:00 AM, Bernd Salewski wrote:
If you try GEOGEN nd type SIEVERS you wil find that the most Sievers arefrom the Landkreis (County) Eckerförde. Please try and searcht there Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Family SearchFirst, I would like to thank you for responding. I am truly grateful. Yes, I do have a copy of Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate. It says his occupation was a Black Smith. When he died he was 75 yrs, 4months, and 9 days old. That is how I confirmed his date of birth as Oct.25, 1832. Also, I was incorrect when I stated that Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate said he was from Hamburg. It does not list a place of birth other than Germany. I saw Hamburg on his son's death certificate. His son's list his place of birth and his parents. In the spot for father it says,"Henry G. Sievers born in Hamburg,Germany". The informant was a much younger sibling, she is still living today, but don't remember too much. On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from Hannover,and a peasant. What does that mean? Why in 1856 would he have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863. Why the change? His brother is said to have gone back to Germany tovisit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found.Although, I can find anything to confirm it. Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in germany did I come from. Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Hanno V. J. Kolbe wrote:Sandy Cooper wrote:My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers was born October 1832 in Germany. His ship log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate his son wasthe information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??Hamburg/Hannover ? No. You have the original of the death certificate ? Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error. What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ... Greetings Hanno (V.J.Kolbe) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l--Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender,die bei mir bis jetzt 2471 Spammails entfernt hat. Bezahlende Anwender haben diesen Hinweis nicht in ihren E-Mails. Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 18:26:59
From: Dunker Stephan <dunker.stephan(a)freenet.de>
Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder, da ich mich hier neu angemeldet habe, möchte ich mich kurz vorstellen. Mein Name ist, wie man auch an der eMailadresse erkennen kann, Stephan Dunker. Ich komme aus Bielefeld und suche vorzugsweise nach meinen Ahnen mit dem Familiennamen Dunker/Duncker. Von ca. 1790 an sind meine Vorfahren im Bereich Mühlhausen/Thüringen angesiedelt, jedoch gibt es derzeit ungeklärte Verbindungen nach Cassel/Kassel, Oldendorf (Hessisch-Oldendorf), Rodenberg, Rathenow, Sternberg und Trondheim (Norwegen). Gezielt suche ich nach einem Johann Carl DUNKER *ca.1790/1800, welcher sich 1860 in Gotha zur Vaterschaft bekannte. Da lediglich der Wohnort Peißel bekannt ist, bitte ich euch auf diesem Wege um Unterstützung/Informationen. Vielen Dank und ein frohes neues Jahr ;) Stephan Dunker
Date: 2008/01/07 18:38:02
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
Yes, thats correct. Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Family Search
Thank Bernd. I will give it a try. Is it www.geogen.com? blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:00 AM, Bernd Salewski wrote:If you try GEOGEN nd type SIEVERS you wil find that the most Sievers are from the Landkreis (County) Eckerförde. Please try and searcht there Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Family SearchFirst, I would like to thank you for responding. I am truly grateful. Yes, I do have a copy of Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate. It says his occupation was a Black Smith. When he died he was 75 yrs, 4months, and 9 days old. That is how I confirmed his date of birth as Oct.25, 1832. Also, I was incorrect when I stated that Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers death certificate said he was from Hamburg. It does not list a place of birth other than Germany. I saw Hamburg on his son's death certificate. His son's list his place of birth and his parents. In the spot for father it says,"Henry G. Sievers born in Hamburg,Germany". The informant was a much younger sibling, she is still living today, but don't remember too much. On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from Hannover,and a peasant. What does that mean? Why in 1856 would he have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863. Why the change? His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found. Although, I can find anything to confirm it. Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in germany did I come from. Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 6, 2008, at 7:08 AM, Hanno V. J. Kolbe wrote:Sandy Cooper wrote:My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers was born October 1832 in Germany. His ship log said he was from Hannover,Germany. But on his death certificate his son was the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??Hamburg/Hannover ? No. You have the original of the death certificate ? Maybe Harburg/Hannover ??? Hamburg could be a spelling error. What was H.G.Sievers job ? Harburg was a busy town ... Greetings Hanno (V.J.Kolbe) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l-- Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter für private Anwender, die bei mir bis jetzt 2471 Spammails entfernt hat. Bezahlende Anwender haben diesen Hinweis nicht in ihren E-Mails. Laden Sie SPAMfighter kostenlos herunter: http://www.spamfighter.com/lde ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Date: 2008/01/07 18:45:41
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 11:53 AM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Hi all together Yes that Henry Sievers in the 1900 census is Blacksmith and he is marriedsince 20 years. So its surely the same one we had in the 1880 census, cause thisone was a widower in 1880. The only question is: Is he the one in theshiplist or do we have two persons named Henry Sievers coming 1856 from Germany???The year of birth of the one Sandy told us is 21 years in 1856 that wouldmean that one we have in the ship list is born 1835 not 1832, ok i know there are sometimes reasons why people dont wanted to tell their real age when theyleft Germany, cause they wanted not to serve in the german army .... Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 18:52:31
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
Hey!!! It's great to see so much action by so many people on the Sievers Family Search. The down side - there is/are/were a lot of Sievers out there and Heinrich/Henry is common, but with all the action it will be over come. Gale
Date: 2008/01/07 19:02:31
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Good Morning Joel,Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much information that I have.
I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in 10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.), 1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881. They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962. As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one. The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with first wife. With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in Germany would be greatly appreciated.
Hope I did not take too much of your time. Blessings sandy sievers On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:
1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 19:12:50
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 09:06 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
HI Sandy:  Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?  Here is what I find. It includes aparently a whole family of Seivers.  [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex [6]Arrived [7]Origin [8]Ship CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY  GEFINA [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 10 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA    GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA  This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis Island.  [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org  You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of interest by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and 1856 for the other. Then select the ships Stella for one and Borussia for the other. Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card *   Gale   Gale On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote: Good Evening to All, I have been trying to put together my family history. I am finding out  it is very hard from the US.  My gg grandfather was Heinrich Gottlieb  Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was born October  1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New  Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen on the ship  named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were destroyed during  the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4, 1908. His ship  log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census reports in  Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate his son was  the information giver, and the son said his father was from Hamburg??  I do know  Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother named Gottlieb.  Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to America May 22,  1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a blessing at  this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this. sandy sievers ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l References1. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=first&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 2. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=last&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 3. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occupation&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 4. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 5. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 6. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arrived&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 7. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=origin&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856 8. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ship&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=18569. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222 10. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221 11. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220 12. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219 13. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224 14. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223 15. file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460 16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 19:18:23
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, such as Peine, Hannover. Janice Thiele Seiler -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 PM To: Hannover-L Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS Good Morning Joel, Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much information that I have. I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in 10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.), 1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881. They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962. As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one. The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with first wife. With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in Germany would be greatly appreciated. Hope I did not take too much of your time. Blessings sandy sievers On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote: > 1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, > Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, > born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 19:27:04
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Gale,Yes, it is such a huge blessing!! All the wonderful people taking the time to help me.....they dont even know me. Yet, they are still most giving of their time and wisdom. i feel very humbled. You must understand, my parents divorced when I was 6yrs and my mother moved to Louisiana. My father was an only chid and so am I. So, i dont have family to go to for help. My grandfather died when I was almost 2yrs. and my father has Parkinson's. So, I am truly amazed to see others helping with such BIG hearts.
Blessings of Joy to you, sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:50 AM, <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
Hey!!! It's great to see so much action by so many people on the Sievers Family Search.  The down side - there is/are/were a lot of Sievers out there and Heinrich/Henry is common, but with all the action it will be over come.  Gale ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 19:31:44
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Hi Sandy,You mention they attended St. John's - Ruma, have you looked or had someone check the baptismal records of the children? Often they will list the birthplace of the parents. Their marriage record often gives this information also. Do the same for Gottlieb in Jefferson County. I've traced numerous ancestors to various places in what is now Germany. Almost every time I was able to find their birth place from church records, don't forget to check their death record at the church also. If those don't work then you might start researching others who came on the ship with him. Often many people from the same local area would come over together. I even found one ship with almost 100 people all from the same little village coming over on the same ship. The other Sievers on the Stella's passenger list do add to the confusion, it's surprising not to find any of them. Tekla/Terla and Catherine could easily be married by 1860, as could the elder Gesina if she remarried after arrival. That leave Margaretha and the younger Gesina who should be the easiest to track. Did you check St. John's - Ruma for the deaths of any of these people? Also, did you check Henry's probate record, perhaps he mentioned siblings, nephews, neices, etc. I had one of my families that appeared the entire family came over together, parents in their 50s and the kids in their teens and early twenties. I was at a loss until I read the will and found out the oldest daughter remained in Germany and where in Germany she was living was listed in the Will. There are lots of avenues for research yet.
Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 01:00 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Good Morning Joel, Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much information that I have. I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in 10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.), 1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881. They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962. As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one. The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with first wife. With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in Germany would be greatly appreciated. Hope I did not take too much of your time. Blessings sandy sievers On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote: > 1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL > Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith > Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany > Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 19:33:00
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
Good Catch Joel. That was the way it was listed on the ships list.
I guess what that means is that many times one has to look for
spellings which are the result of mistakes. Where the correct
become the incorrect. Then the incorrect becomes the name of
record. Example Joel becomes because someone heard Joe and wrote it
that way on a record.
Gale/Gail/Gayle/Gael
On Jan 7, 2008, jsruss(a)mindspring.com wrote:
The Gefina you list below is actually Gesina, the
's' is often confused with the 'f' as it is written.
Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
At 09:06 PM 1/6/2008, you wrote:
> HI Sandy:
>
>
>
> Did you check the whole manifest for the ship Stella?
>
>
>
> Here is what I find. It includes aparently a whole family
of
> Seivers.
>
>
>
> [1]First name [2]Last name [3]Occupation [4]Age [5]Sex
[6]Arrived
> [7]Origin [8]Ship
> CATHARINA [9]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 17 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY
STELLA
> HEINRICH [10]SIEVERS PEASANT 21 M 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
> TEKLA [11]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 24 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY STELLA
> GEFINA [12]SIEVERS WIFE 49 F 28 Oct 1856 GERMANY
>
>
>
> GEFINA [13]SIEVERS CHILD, YOUNGSTER 7 F 28 Oct 1856
GERMANY STELLA
> MARGARETHA [14]SIEVERS DAUGHTER 10 F 28 Oct 1856
GERMANY STELLA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> GOTTL. [15]SIEVERS BUTCHER 15 M 22 May 1863 GERMANY BORUSSIA
>
>
>
> This all comes from Castle Garden, the forerunner of Ellis
Island.
>
>
>
> [16]WWW.CastleGarden.org
>
>
>
> You can get a complete list of the manifist for the dates of
interest
> by intering the Sievers name and the years 1856 for one and
1856 for
> the other. Then select the ships Stella for one and
Borussia for the
> other. Delete the Sievers name and use the wild card *
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
>
>
>
> Gale
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2008, sandy4lsu(a)att.net wrote:
>
> Good Evening to All,
> I have been trying to put together my family history. I
am finding
> out
> it is very hard from the US. My gg grandfather was
Heinrich
> Gottlieb
> Sievers. From what I have been able to find out he was
born October
>
> 1832 in Germany. On October 28, 1856 he landed in New
> Orleans,Louisiana, USA. He left out of the port of Bremen
on the
> ship
> named the Stella. I was told Bremen's records were
destroyed during
>
> the war??? He died in Red Bud,Illinois,USA on March 4,
1908. His
> ship
> log said he was from Hannover,Germany. A couple census
reports in
>
> Illinois just said Germany. But on his death certificate
his son
> was
> the information giver, and the son said his father was
from
> Hamburg??
> I do know Heinrich Gottlieb had a younger brother
named
> Gottlieb.
> Gottlieb was born July 18, 1848 in Germany. He came to
America May
> 22,
> 1863 and landed in New York,NY. Any.....help would be a
blessing at
>
> this point. Thanks for yall's time in reading this.
> sandy sievers
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>References
>
> 1.
>
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=fir
st&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_a
rr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 2.
>
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=las
t&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_ar
r_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 3.
>
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=occ
upation&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=1836
8&m_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 4.
>
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=age
&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr
_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 5.
>
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=sex
&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_arr
_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 6.
>
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=arr
ived&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m
_arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 7.
>
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=ori
gin&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_
arr_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 8.
>
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_result.php?sort=desc&type=shi
p&p_first_name=&p_last_name=%&co_code=-1&o_code=-1&m_mid=18368&m_ar
r_date_end=1856&m_arr_date_start=1856
> 9.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154222
> 10.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154221
> 11.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154220
> 12.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154219
> 13.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154224
> 14.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=4154223
> 15.
file://localhost/webmail/quick_search_detail.php?p_id=3492460
> 16. http://www.CastleGarden.org/
>
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Date: 2008/01/07 19:45:38
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Awesome! How did you find that? sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Janice Seiler wrote:
I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, such as Peine, Hannover. Janice Thiele Seiler -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 PM To: Hannover-L Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS Good Morning Joel, Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has beenon the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writingletters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much information that I have.I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, RandophCounty, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans toAmerica.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob,off of his death certificate. It said he died 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (hewent by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen itspelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 accordingto a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.), 1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrichhad their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in thestates. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881.They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles HenrySievers. he was born 1891-1962.As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, whichlisted him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one.The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census wastaken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( Ithink, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child withfirst wife.With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany hecame from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sieverswho lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in Germany would begreatly appreciated. Hope I did not take too much of your time. Blessings sandy sievers On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 19:50:45
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
I went to the courthouse in the town that my gggfather settled in and they had the original record in the district records files and made a copy for me for $1.00. -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:44 PM To: Hannover-L Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS Awesome! How did you find that? sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Janice Seiler wrote: > I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, such > as Peine, Hannover. > > Janice Thiele Seiler > > -----Original Message----- > From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 PM > To: Hannover-L > Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS > > Good Morning Joel, > > Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. > As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with > postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been > on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old > way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to > give you as much information that I have. > > I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, > Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to > the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans > to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started > pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very > nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I > figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died > 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud > and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he > went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US > in > 10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New > Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it > spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 > according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first > child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that > Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.), > 1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 > (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much > about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of > St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book > that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich > had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in > the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried > right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all > those > children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born > 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. > because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881. > They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles > Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962. > As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, > which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one. > The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census > was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a > fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry > G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I > think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child > with first wife. > With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany > he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb > Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High > Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in > Germany would be greatly appreciated. > > Hope I did not take too much of your time. > Blessings > sandy sievers > On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote: > >> 1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, >> Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, >> born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France >> >> Joel >> http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Hannover-L mailing list >> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 19:54:02
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Joel,Thanks again for your advice. I will print this out and pull the church record book I have to see what I can find. I did speak with a lady of the church who did some research on the Stamm/ Sievers Family. She stated she could not find where exactly the Sievers Family came from. But, I will give all the info a screening.
Again.....thanks so much for your help. I'll let you know what I find. sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:
Hi Sandy, You mention they attended St. John's - Ruma, have you looked or had someone check the baptismal records of the children? Often they will list the birthplace of the parents. Their marriage record often gives this information also. Do the same for Gottlieb in Jefferson County. I've traced numerous ancestors to various places in what is now Germany. Almost every time I was able to find their birth place from church records, don't forget to check their death record at the church also. If those don't work then you might start researching others who came on the ship with him. Often many people from the same local area would come over together. I even found one ship with almost 100 people all from the same little village coming over on the same ship. The other Sievers on the Stella's passenger list do add to the confusion, it's surprising not to find any of them. Tekla/Terla and Catherine could easily be married by 1860, as could the elder Gesina if she remarried after arrival. That leave Margaretha and the younger Gesina who should be the easiest to track. Did you check St. John's - Ruma for the deaths of any of these people? Also, did you check Henry's probate record, perhaps he mentioned siblings, nephews, neices, etc. I had one of my families that appeared the entire family came over together, parents in their 50s and the kids in their teens and early twenties. I was at a loss until I read the will and found out the oldest daughter remained in Germany and where in Germany she was living was listed in the Will. There are lots of avenues for research yet. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 01:00 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:Good Morning Joel, Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not withpostings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has beenon the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much information that I have. I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma,Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went tothe Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then startedpulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A verynice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in 10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After thatAmalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.),1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with allthose children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She wasborn 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881. They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962. As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one. The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in afire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(HenryG) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with first wife. With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in HighRidge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where inGermany would be greatly appreciated. Hope I did not take too much of your time. Blessings sandy sievers On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/07 20:04:45
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Janice,I did notice on a census report that it said "Yes" to Naturalized. When I checked in Chester, Randolph County, Il. They said they had one, but not sure it would be my Heinrich Sievers. It stated the place was " Kingdom of Hannover". Any ideas? I even tried to get Emmigration papers Bremen, Germamny. I was told before they got on the ships they had to fill out papers. No luck, they were destroyed.
Blessings & Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Janice Seiler wrote:
I went to the courthouse in the town that my gggfather settled in and they had the original record in the district records files and made a copy for me for $1.00. -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:44 PM To: Hannover-L Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS Awesome! How did you find that? sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM, Janice Seiler wrote:I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, suchas Peine, Hannover. Janice Thiele Seiler -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:00 PM To: Hannover-L Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS Good Morning Joel, Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not withpostings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has beenon the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much information that I have. I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma,Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went tothe Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then startedpulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A verynice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in 10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After thatAmalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.),1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881. They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962. As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one. The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in afire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(HenryG) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with first wife. With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in HighRidge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where inGermany would be greatly appreciated. Hope I did not take too much of your time. Blessings sandy sievers On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. 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Date: 2008/01/07 20:34:12
From: Mirko Treichel <Treichel-gen(a)web.de>
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Date: 2008/01/07 23:06:25
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: How positive are we that the Henry Sievers in Ruma was the one who arrived in New Orleans in 1856? Hi Joel, this is exactly the point. The name Henry Sievers is not so uncommon at ancestry.com. We have two Henry Sievers living in St. Louis, .......... There is absolutely no proof, that the one in the shiplist is the right one. I will try to find out more tomorrow, when i have a little more time. I would try Sie* in the search mask, and the year of birth for the search, but of course knowing that the shiplist may have horrible misspellings he can be even Severs or whatever. So i should perhaps try it with Henry or Hei* (for Heinrich cause even Heinrich is sometimes misspelled as HEIMrich) and year of birth 1832 two or five years up and down and then see what i can get. Of course there is no 100 percent proof that he has taken a ship to St. Louis. What if a ship to Philadelphia was cheaper? I found out there is nothing impossible searching people in the shiplist. Hope he was not a swimmer LOL, i have 2 swimmers in my family. I never found them in the list. Armin
Date: 2008/01/07 23:54:40
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. Hi Sandy Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means the double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb are brothers. So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about him? At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in the 1870 census, surely his name is misspelled. Armin
Date: 2008/01/08 01:18:57
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Armin,Sure, I can post that information. It may take me 30-45 mins. to pull and arrange Gottlieb Sievers file.
Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibthannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. Hi SandyOk you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means the double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb arebrothers.So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about him? At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in the 1870census, surely his name is misspelled. Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 01:26:07
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Joel,I have been through the St.John's History Book 2x. On their birth records it just states parents name, child's name and date of birth and place. I did place a call to Miss Hanebutt at the church to double check the information. As for Gottlieb Sievers.....I am fixing to post his information as well. In hopes it will add in my search for where they came from in Germany. If I have missed anything please let me know.
blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:
1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 01:41:50
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Sandy,Hopefully you'll have better luck with the actual church entry. Often the books are abstracts and don't contain all of the details in the original record. Be sure and check for all entries for him.
Joel At 07:25 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Hi Joel, I have been through the St.John's History Book 2x. On their birth records it just states parents name, child's name and date of birth and place. I did place a call to Miss Hanebutt at the church to double check the information. As for Gottlieb Sievers.....I am fixing to post his information as well. In hopes it will add in my search for where they came from in Germany. If I have missed anything please let me know. blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote: > 1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL > Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith > Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany > Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 01:43:49
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS Generation No. 11. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINA LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of L.H. LEE. She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). She was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.
Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: BORUSSIA (1)The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co, Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were - length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts, iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers. Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies service. In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started sailings between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22 October 1997]
More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MOImmigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard Borussia
Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office More About ARA MELVINA LEE: Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY: Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are:i. WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b. May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m. CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.).
More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS: Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO Occupation: Policemanii. CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source: Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. January 26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO.
More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS:
Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO
Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household
Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household
Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware
More About SUDIE E. HARVISON:
Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO
Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:
iii. MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July 1894.
2. iv. ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson
Co., MO.
v. WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902.
vi. LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905.
Generation No. 2
2. ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson
Co., MO. He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922. She was born Abt.
1904.
More About ELMER R. SIEVERS:
Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO
Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are:
i. RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924.
ii. GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.
iii. DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929.
On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibthannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. Hi SandyOk you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means the double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb arebrothers.So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about him? At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in the 1870census, surely his name is misspelled. Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 02:02:57
From: Ron Bronemann <ron_bronemann(a)hotmail.com>
I am seeking the immigration record of Tobias TOBIASSEN, b. 1 Sep 1838 Marx, Ostfriesland, Germany, d. 15 Jan 1907 Wayne Twp., Jones Co., IA. He immigrated alone to the USA in 1857, worked at Galesburg, IL for one year and moved to Dixon, Lee Co., IL for six years before moving to IA where he farmed for the rest of his life. I have not been able to find Tobias at Castle Garden. I would like assistance in finding him in other immigrant records. Thank you for your every consideration. Ron
Date: 2008/01/08 02:10:35
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>
Hi Sandy, Many times people went where the fare was the cheapest. Also, the brother might have moved around before he left for the US. Some examples: My grandmother left Saxony and came to the US by way of Hamburg. She went back for a visit. The second time she came through Rotterdam. Her nephew leaving from the home town left from Hamburg, his wife followed later from Bremerhaven. On the other side of the family my great-grandparents left Leipzig for the US and came through Rotterdam. You would like to think that they came through the closest port but that is not always the case. Bobbi On Jan 6, 2008 6:00 PM, Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> wrote: > > > On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from > Hannover,and a peasant. What does that mean? Why in 1856 would he > have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863. > Why the change? His brother is said to have gone back to Germany to > visit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found. > Although, I can find anything to confirm it. > > Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in > germany did I come from. > Blessings > sandy sievers cooper > >
Date: 2008/01/08 02:13:56
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>
Hi Ron, Did you try looking through Steve Morse's web site? After searching for my great-grandparents for 20 years I was able to find them though his search engine. Bobbi On Jan 7, 2008 8:02 PM, Ron Bronemann <ron_bronemann(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > I am seeking the immigration record of Tobias TOBIASSEN, b. 1 Sep 1838 > Marx, Ostfriesland, Germany, d. 15 Jan 1907 Wayne Twp., Jones Co., > IA. He immigrated alone to the USA in 1857, worked at Galesburg, IL > for one year and moved to Dixon, Lee Co., IL for six years before > moving to IA where he farmed for the rest of his life. > > I have not been able to find Tobias at Castle Garden. I would like > assistance in finding him in other immigrant records. > > Thank you for your every > consideration. > > Ron > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
Date: 2008/01/08 04:18:51
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Sandy, You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below. 1870 Federal Census: Big River, Jefferson County, MO Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith(Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel certain this is your Sievers, note he is a Blacksmith) It might be worth checking out Henry Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith.
1880 Federal Census: Meramec, Jefferson County, MO Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO Hope these help. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:
Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS
Generation No. 1
1. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and
died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINA
LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of
L.H. LEE. She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in
Jefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in
Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). She
was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.
Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:
BORUSSIA (1)
The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co,
Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were -
length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts,
iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was
accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers.
Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British
government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her
first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg
on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound
engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies service.
In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started sailings
between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool
for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd
December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by
N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22
October 1997]
More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS:
Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO
Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO
Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO
Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO
Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard
Borussia
Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper
Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office
More About ARA MELVINA LEE:
Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO
More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY:
Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO
Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are:
i. WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b.
May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source:
Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m.
CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO
(Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956,
www.sos.mo.gov.).
More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS:
Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO
Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO
Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO
Occupation: Policeman
ii. CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt.
1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source:
Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. January
26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO.
More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS:
Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO
Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household
Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household
Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware
More About SUDIE E. HARVISON:
Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO
Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:
iii. MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July 1894.
2. iv. ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson
Co., MO.
v. WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902.
vi. LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905.
Generation No. 2
2. ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson
Co., MO. He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922. She was born Abt.
1904.
More About ELMER R. SIEVERS:
Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO
Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are:
i. RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924.
ii. GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.
iii. DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929.
On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
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> In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
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> I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb
> Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo.
>
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> Hi Sandy
>
> Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That
> means the
> double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb
> are
> brothers.
>
> So could you please open your box again and give us what you have
> about him?
> At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in
> the 1870
> census, surely his name is misspelled.
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> Armin
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Date: 2008/01/08 04:43:43
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Joel,This is amazing!! First you find Heinrich G. Sievers in 1860 in Ruma........which I could not. THEN, you find Gottlieb in 1870 . How did you do it?? I did have 1880, but have not put it in my computer yet. So, what do you think after the information you have seen so far? Do you think they really could have came fron Hanover? Every one in Ruma, Il. told me the story that two brothers came over from Hannover, Germany. First the oldest (mine) then his brother Gottlieb. I do have alot more on Gottlieb because he made his presence more noticable in MO. I know he was a coffin maker (because of his newspaper ad) , a blacksmith, Justice of the Peace ( in 1906) , owned a hotel, was the postmaster(1896 & 1915-1928) for many years in House Springs,Mo. and was a "Master Mason" in Fenton,Mo. I have even tried to track down info on Gottlieb's 2 sons from 1st wife. I did find them in St.Louis, Mo and wrote to the police history library. They sent me a picture of him in uniform. But, neither son Charles or William had children. They got married...but no children. I found one of their distant cousins in a nursing home. She and I write alot, but she said her dad really did try to keep in touch with the boys but when Gottlieb remarried they hardly ever came back to visit. i have a copy of his will, it doesnt say a thing of where he was born. Also, both wedding lic., still nothing. Where should I turn to now?
Blessings & Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:
Sandy, You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below. 1870 Federal Census: Big River, Jefferson County, MO Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith (Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel certain this is your Sievers, note he is a Blacksmith) It might be worth checking out Henry Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith. 1880 Federal Census: Meramec, Jefferson County, MO Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO Hope these help. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS Generation No. 1 1. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINA LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of L.H. LEE. She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 inJefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). Shewas born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO. Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: BORUSSIA (1) The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co, Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were - length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts, iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers. Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compoundengines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies service. In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started sailingsbetween Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22 October 1997] More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard Borussia Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office More About ARA MELVINA LEE: Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY: Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are: i. WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b. May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m. CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.). More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS: Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO Occupation: Policeman ii. CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source:Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. January26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO. More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS: Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware More About SUDIE E. HARVISON: Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are:iii. MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July 1894.2. iv. ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson Co., MO. v. WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902. vi. LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905. Generation No. 2 2. ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922. She was born Abt. 1904. More About ELMER R. SIEVERS: Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are: i. RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924. ii. GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927. iii. DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929. On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. Hi Sandy Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means the double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb are brothers. So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about him? At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in the 1870 census, surely his name is misspelled. 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Date: 2008/01/08 04:46:14
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Bobbi wrote:
Hi Sandy, Many times people went where the fare was the cheapest. Also, the brother might have moved around before he left for the US. Some examples: My grandmother left Saxony and came to the US by way of Hamburg.She went back for a visit. The second time she came through Rotterdam.Her nephew leaving from the home town left from Hamburg, his wife followed later from Bremerhaven. On the other side of the family my great-grandparents left Leipzig for the US and came through Rotterdam.You would like to think that they came through the closest port but thatis not always the case. Bobbi On Jan 6, 2008 6:00 PM, Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> wrote:On Heinrich Gottlieb Sievers ship log it list him as 21yrs,male,from Hannover,and a peasant. What does that mean? Why in 1856 would he have sailed out of Bremen? His brother sailed out of Hamburg in 1863. Why the change? His brother is said to have gone back to Germany tovisit their parents in April 1880/1881. It was in a newspaper I found.Although, I can find anything to confirm it. Sorry for all the questions......just trying to find out where in germany did I come from. Blessings sandy sievers cooper______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 06:14:35
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 02:11:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: 1. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINA LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of L.H. LEE. She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). She was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO. Good morning Sandy Ok thank you, thats what i thought too. I have found this last night before i went to bed in the 1880 census, but i was not 100 percent sure if this is the right one. Here his place of birth is Hanover, surely the Kingdom of Hannover and not the capital. I will try to find him in 1870 and 1900. And JOEL, i will try to crosscheck the datas of Henry Sievers . We have 2 Henry Sievers in St. Louis. And only one in the shiplist, if we could find the WORKER In BRICKYARD in the 1900 census we would see HIS date of immigration. Perhaps its also 1856 perhaps HE is the one who came 1859. _1880 United States Federal Census_ (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=6742&enc=1) about Gottlieb Sievens Name: <HLT>Got Home in 1880: Meramec, Jefferson, Missouri Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Birthplace: Hanover Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head) Spouse's Name: Ara A. Father's birthplace: Hanover Mother's birthplace: Hanover Neighbors: _View others on page_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?viewrecord=1&ti=0&r=an&db=1880usfedcen&F39=MOT9_696-0055) Occupation: Blacksmith Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: _View Image_ (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=view&r=an&dbid=6742&iid=MOT9_696-0055&fn=Gottlieb&ln=Sievens&st=r&ssrc=&pid=34048340) Household Members: Name Age _Gottlieb Sievens_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=34048340) 32 _Ara A. Sievens_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=33717767) 30 _Willie Sievens_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=33717768) 7 _Charlie Sievens_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1880usfedcen&indiv=try&h=34048341) 4 Have a fine day Armin
Date: 2008/01/08 06:41:48
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>
Sandy, Your dead end presented a fun challenge today. Fortunately, you had enough clues to lead me to what I believe is the Sievers family town of origin. The Missouri death records are on-line for 1928 when Gottlieb Sievers died. In "Gottliev" Sievers death record, Mahala gives his birthdate as July 26, 1847. Unfortunately, she did not know his parents names only that he was born in Hannover. You seemed quite certain that we had his passenger list record. The key was that while the Americans wrote down the passenger lists when they arrived - the Germans did so when they boarded. The American passenger lists often do not include the exact town of origin only Hannover (Kingdom of) or Hessia, etc. However, the German lists (namely the Hamburg lists) typically do specify by town. Thus, since we knew the ship name, arrival date, port of departure, namely Hamburg, I accessed the Hamburg passenger lists. Since Borussia sailed directly to New York, I looked on ancestry.com's Hamburg Passenger Lists. Click on Immigration records and then click on Hamburg Passenger Lists (1850-1934). Then choose the years (1860-1869) and then Direkt Band 017 since it was a direct voyage in May of 1863. At that point I simply started looking through the 411 images (with some guestimating on travel times, etc.) and landed on image 108 of 411 where I found the passenger list for the ship, Borussia and the following passenger: Sievers, Gottl "Doegerode" Hannover Fleischer 15 Of course, the handwriting is quite bad. I have interpreted the town as Doegerode. Perhaps others who also have access to this ancestry database can weigh in too if I have interpreted it correctly. Now, Dögerode is currently a part of Kalefeld and is located in the present state of lower saxony or Niedersachsen. Perhaps, others can share whether it belonged to the Kingdom of Hannover as I am unfamiliar with the area. However, further research should help you clarify the town and its location as well as the available church records. Hopefully, a review of the local church records for Dögerode will find both Gottlieb and Heinrich Gottlieb's baptismal records. I enjoyed the challenge and hope this helps you make the link back to Germany. I would encourage you to obtain the church marriage records for both Heinrich Gottlieb and Gottlieb Sievers in America, as you should find further proof of their parents and/or confirmation of their town of origin. Additionally, check the church's burial records too. Best of luck in your continued research, Bob Behnen Kirksville, MO
Date: 2008/01/08 10:24:04
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Bob and Sandy What a lucky day for Sandy !!!!!! Yes its difficult to read, but its absolutely correct what you have reading in the Hamburg Ship List. And the profession is correct FLEISCHER or is BUTCHER. Today we would say METZGER instead of FLEISCHER but it remains the same. _http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de_ (http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de) This is the link to Kalefeld on the google map you see Dögerode close by. Hey Sandy your family was living 15 km away were my old Hattorff family lived in Osterode. The microfiches of the churchbooks of that region are in Hannover (city). Two possibilities you find someone who is doing this research for you in the group or you will unfortunately need a professional researcher. A professional researcher will take about 35 Euro an hour. Congratulation your are close to your target. Armin
Date: 2008/01/08 13:03:04
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Ron
Ok that research for Tobias Tobiassen in the shiplist seams to be difficult.
First i have been looking for the family to warm up:-))))))
I found in the 1900 Census Tobias Tobiassen, in the 1880 Census Tobias
Tobiasen, in the 1870 Census Tobias Tobiason. So 3 different spellings but the
right person born around 1839.
I saw in the 1900 census the year of immigration 1857. But you know with the
years people forget the exact year.
There are a lot of Tobias Tobiasson in the shiplist most of them from
Danmark. I have been searching Tob* Tob* to find all possible spellings.
The most strange thing is this one:
Name: Tobias Tobias Arrival Date: 17 May 1858 Age: 22 Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Bremen Occupation: Merchant Ship: Luna Ship Type:
Ship Port of Arrival: Baltimore Place of Origin: Jengum National Archives'
Series Number: M255 Microfilm Roll Number: 11 List Number: 11
Destination: Illinois
I know this is not 1857 but is that name really Tobias Tobias??? And look at
the place of origin:
Jengum this is in Ostfriesland, the town were HE came from is Marx today a
part of Friedeburg in Ostfriesland.
_http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Jemgum&hl=de_
(http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Jemgum&hl=de)
On this card you see Jemgum also called Jengum in the net, you can search
this name with google.de
And about 30 km in the NorthEast from Jengum is Friedeburg .... Marx is a
part of Friedeburg. So that Tobias Tobias who came in 1858 is only 30 km away
from the place your Tobias Tobiassen came from. Strange isnt it??? Ok the year
of birth is about 1836 instead of 1838 but this is damned close to the person
you are looking for.
Armin
Date: 2008/01/08 15:27:30
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Sandy,As active as Gottlieb was you should be able to find an obituary on him, if you haven't already, his town of birth might be given there. Also check the county history if you haven't already.
I just read down my emails and see that Bob appears to have found your town. All of my families traveled out of Bremen so I didn't even think to look at the Hamburg lists.
Joel At 10:43 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
Hi Joel, This is amazing!! First you find Heinrich G. Sievers in 1860 in Ruma........which I could not. THEN, you find Gottlieb in 1870 . How did you do it?? I did have 1880, but have not put it in my computer yet. So, what do you think after the information you have seen so far? Do you think they really could have came fron Hanover? Every one in Ruma, Il. told me the story that two brothers came over from Hannover, Germany. First the oldest (mine) then his brother Gottlieb. I do have alot more on Gottlieb because he made his presence more noticable in MO. I know he was a coffin maker (because of his newspaper ad) , a blacksmith, Justice of the Peace ( in 1906) , owned a hotel, was the postmaster(1896 & 1915-1928) for many years in House Springs,Mo. and was a "Master Mason" in Fenton,Mo. I have even tried to track down info on Gottlieb's 2 sons from 1st wife. I did find them in St.Louis, Mo and wrote to the police history library. They sent me a picture of him in uniform. But, neither son Charles or William had children. They got married...but no children. I found one of their distant cousins in a nursing home. She and I write alot, but she said her dad really did try to keep in touch with the boys but when Gottlieb remarried they hardly ever came back to visit. i have a copy of his will, it doesnt say a thing of where he was born. Also, both wedding lic., still nothing. Where should I turn to now? Blessings & Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote: > Sandy, > > You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below. > > 1870 Federal Census: Big River, Jefferson County, MO > Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith > Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany > Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO > Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith > (Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel > certain this is your Sievers, note he is a > Blacksmith) It might be worth checking out Henry > Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps > Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith. > > 1880 Federal Census: Meramec, Jefferson County, MO > Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith > Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO > Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO > Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO > > Hope these help. > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > > At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote: >> Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS >> >> >> >> >> >> Generation No. 1 >> >> >> >> 1. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and >> died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINA >> LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of >> L.H. LEE. She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in >> Jefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 >> in >> Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). >> She >> was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO. >> >> >> >> Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: >> >> BORUSSIA (1) >> >> The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co, >> Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were - >> length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts, >> iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was >> accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers. >> Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British >> government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her >> first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg >> on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound >> engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies >> service. >> In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started >> sailings >> between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool >> for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd >> December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by >> N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22 >> October 1997] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: >> >> Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO >> >> Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO >> >> Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO >> >> Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO >> >> Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard >> Borussia >> >> Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper >> >> Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office >> >> >> >> More About ARA MELVINA LEE: >> >> Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO >> >> >> >> More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY: >> >> Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO >> >> >> >> Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are: >> >> i. WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b. >> May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source: >> Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m. >> CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO >> (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, >> www.sos.mo.gov.). >> >> >> >> More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS: >> >> Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO >> >> Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO >> >> Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO >> >> Occupation: Policeman >> >> >> >> ii. CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt. >> 1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source: >> Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. >> January >> 26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO. >> >> >> >> More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS: >> >> Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO >> >> Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household >> >> Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household >> >> Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware >> >> >> >> More About SUDIE E. HARVISON: >> >> Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO >> >> >> >> >> >> Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are: >> >> iii. MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July >> 1894. >> >> 2. iv. ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson >> Co., MO. >> >> v. WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902. >> >> vi. LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905. >> >> >> >> >> >> Generation No. 2 >> >> >> >> 2. ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson >> Co., MO. He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922. She was born Abt. >> 1904. >> >> >> >> More About ELMER R. SIEVERS: >> >> Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO >> >> >> >> Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are: >> >> i. RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924. >> >> ii. GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927. >> >> iii. DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929. >> >> >> >> On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> >>> In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit >>> schreibt >>> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: >>> >>> I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb >>> Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. >>> >>> >>> Hi Sandy >>> >>> Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That >>> means the >>> double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb >>> are >>> brothers. >>> >>> So could you please open your box again and give us what you have >>> about him? >>> At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in >>> the 1870 >>> census, surely his name is misspelled. >>> >>> Armin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Hannover-L mailing list >>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Hannover-L mailing list >> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 15:42:57
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Sandy,I've looked through the LDS Catalog and I don't find Dögerode or Kalefeld, actually only a few records for any of the towns in that area appear to have been microfilmed. If that is the case you'll need to find somone who can look at the microfiche as Armin suggests or else contact the church directly. I've had pretty good luck contacting churches in Germany and getting responses. Just don't ask for too much, be specific in what you want, and be patient. Responses some times can take awhile. If you don't speak German you will find several spots online that give form letters already in German where you just add the specifics relevant to the person you are researching. Don't hesistate to email me directly if you need any help with this.
Joel At 04:23 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
Hi Bob and Sandy What a lucky day for Sandy !!!!!! Yes its difficult to read, but its absolutely correct what you have reading in the Hamburg Ship List. And the profession is correct FLEISCHER or is BUTCHER. Today we would say METZGER instead of FLEISCHER but it remains the same. _http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de_ (http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de) This is the link to Kalefeld on the google map you see Dögerode close by.Hey Sandy your family was living 15 km away were my old Hattorff family lived inOsterode. The microfiches of the churchbooks of that region are in Hannover (city). Two possibilities you find someone who is doing this research for you in thegroup or you will unfortunately need a professional researcher. A professionalresearcher will take about 35 Euro an hour. Congratulation your are close to your target. Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 17:43:15
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>
Sandy, If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical society located in Willershausen. Here is their website http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm where you will find an e-mail for the club officers: vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have several resources and would be well connected with local resources to find out. Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier. There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld. I would write to them in German and English providing all the possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able to confirm your suspicions. Since they appear to be full-fledged history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who have helped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the challenge. Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area. Best of luck, Bob Behnen Kirksville, MO
Date: 2008/01/08 18:12:10
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Bob,I just checked my email......and feel like it is Christmas Day all over again!! Thank you so very much! I too have Ancestry, but could never open the emmigration part. Plus if I could, have I can not read German. So I did the next step...I wrote to Hamburg and sent $40.00 for a search. But that was 6 months ago and i have not heard anything(yet). I just don't know how to thank you, other than to "pay it forward". I have had people contact me because of my Sievers/ Laurent Family Tree in Ancestry. And I promise you, I will always help others in their search! As for the marriage certificates, I have Heinrich Gottlieb's second,but not the first. I have both of Gottlieb Sievers( my gg uncle). I found death certificates on the Mo. site "sos". Is that where you found Gottlieb's
Please pardon my spelling......I am VERY happy! Blessings & Joy, sandy sievers cooper (from Doegerode,Germany!!) On Jan 7, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Robert Behnen wrote:
Sandy,Your dead end presented a fun challenge today. Fortunately, you had enough clues to lead me to what I believe is the Sievers family town of origin.The Missouri death records are on-line for 1928 when Gottlieb Sievers died. In "Gottliev" Sievers death record, Mahala gives his birthdate as July 26, 1847. Unfortunately, she did not know his parents names only that he was born inHannover.You seemed quite certain that we had his passenger list record. The key was that while the Americans wrote down the passenger lists when they arrived - the Germans did so when they boarded. The American passenger lists often do not include the exact town of origin only Hannover (Kingdom of) or Hessia, etc. However, the German lists (namely the Hamburg lists) typically do specify by town.Thus, since we knew the ship name, arrival date, port of departure, namely Hamburg, I accessed the Hamburg passenger lists. Since Borussia sailed directly to New York, I looked on ancestry.com's Hamburg Passenger Lists. Click on Immigration records and then click on Hamburg Passenger Lists (1850-1934). Then choose the years (1860-1869) and then Direkt Band 017 since it was adirect voyage in May of 1863.At that point I simply started looking through the 411 images (with some guestimating on travel times, etc.) and landed on image 108 of 411 where I found the passenger list for the ship, Borussia and the following passenger:Sievers, Gottl "Doegerode" Hannover Fleischer 15Of course, the handwriting is quite bad. I have interpreted the town as Doegerode. Perhaps others who also have access to this ancestry database can weigh in tooif I have interpreted it correctly.Now, Dögerode is currently a part of Kalefeld and is located in the present state of lower saxony or Niedersachsen.Perhaps, others can share whether it belonged to the Kingdom of Hannover as I am unfamiliar with the area. However, further research should help you clarify the townand its location as well as the available church records.Hopefully, a review of the local church records for Dögerode will find both Gottlieband Heinrich Gottlieb's baptismal records.I enjoyed the challenge and hope this helps you make the link back to Germany. I would encourage you to obtain the church marriage records for both Heinrich Gottlieb and Gottlieb Sievers in America, as you should find further proof of their parents and/or confirmation of their town of origin. Additionally, check the church's burial records too.Best of luck in your continued research, Bob Behnen Kirksville, MO ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 18:16:17
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Armin,Boy, this is soooo exciting!! Thanks alot for the maps. I wil be scanning all day.
sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:23 AM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
Hi Bob and Sandy What a lucky day for Sandy !!!!!! Yes its difficult to read, but its absolutely correct what you have reading in the Hamburg Ship List.And the profession is correct FLEISCHER or is BUTCHER. Today we would sayMETZGER instead of FLEISCHER but it remains the same. _http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de_ (http://maps.google.de/maps?oi=eu_map&q=Kalefeld&hl=de)This is the link to Kalefeld on the google map you see Dögerode close by. Hey Sandy your family was living 15 km away were my old Hattorff family lived inOsterode.The microfiches of the churchbooks of that region are in Hannover (city). Two possibilities you find someone who is doing this research for you in the group or you will unfortunately need a professional researcher. A professionalresearcher will take about 35 Euro an hour. Congratulation your are close to your target. Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 18:25:11
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Joel,Yes, this is a great day!! And, many thanks to all whom stepped up to help me. Thank You All !!! Do you think I will ever find any ship records out of Breman? Or is it true that they are gone by fire.
Blessings & lots of Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:
Sandy, As active as Gottlieb was you should be able to find an obituary on him, if you haven't already, his town of birth might be given there. Also check the county history if you haven't already. I just read down my emails and see that Bob appears to have found your town. All of my families traveled out of Bremen so I didn't even think to look at the Hamburg lists. Joel At 10:43 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:Hi Joel, This is amazing!! First you find Heinrich G. Sievers in 1860 in Ruma........which I could not. THEN, you find Gottlieb in 1870 . How did you do it?? I did have 1880, but have not put it in my computeryet. So, what do you think after the information you have seen so far?Do you think they really could have came fron Hanover? Every one inRuma, Il. told me the story that two brothers came over from Hannover,Germany. First the oldest (mine) then his brother Gottlieb. I do have alot more on Gottlieb because he made his presence more noticable in MO. I know he was a coffin maker (because of his newspaper ad) , a blacksmith, Justice of the Peace ( in 1906) , owned a hotel, was the postmaster(1896 & 1915-1928) for many years in House Springs,Mo. and was a "Master Mason" in Fenton,Mo. I have even tried to track down info on Gottlieb's 2 sons from 1st wife. I did find them in St.Louis, Mo and wrote to the police history library. They sent me a picture ofhim in uniform. But, neither son Charles or William had children. They got married...but no children. I found one of their distant cousins ina nursing home. She and I write alot, but she said her dad really did try to keep in touch with the boys but when Gottlieb remarried they hardly ever came back to visit. i have a copy of his will, it doesnt say a thing of where he was born. Also, both wedding lic., still nothing. Where should I turn to now? Blessings & Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:Sandy, You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below. 1870 Federal Census: Big River, Jefferson County, MO Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith (Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel certain this is your Sievers, note he is a Blacksmith) It might be worth checking out Henry Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith. 1880 Federal Census: Meramec, Jefferson County, MO Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO Hope these help. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS Generation No. 11. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINALEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of L.H. LEE. She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). Shewas born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO.Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: BORUSSIA (1) The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co, Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were - length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts, iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers. Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started herfirst Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compoundengines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies service. In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started sailings between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway byN.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22October 1997] More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard Borussia Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office More About ARA MELVINA LEE: Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY: Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are: i. WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b. May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source:Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m.CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.). More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS: Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO Occupation: Policeman ii. CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source: Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. January 26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO. More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS: Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MOCensus 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in householdCensus 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware More About SUDIE E. HARVISON: Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are: iii. MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July 1894. 2. iv. ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson Co., MO. v. WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902. vi. LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905. Generation No. 22. ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922. She was born Abt.1904. More About ELMER R. SIEVERS: Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are: i. RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924. ii. GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927.iii. DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929.On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. Hi Sandy Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means thedouble chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottliebare brothers. So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about him?At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing inthe 1870 census, surely his name is misspelled. 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Date: 2008/01/08 18:40:08
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Bob,I see your are from Kirksville, Mo. How close are you to Columbia,Mo. The reason I ask is because in my search on Gottlieb I found out he was a Mason. So I contacted the Fenton Lodge and spoke with Mr. Fetters. He was VERY helpful. He told me that Gottlieb received his 1st Degree on 2May1885, 2nd Degree on 30 May1885 and 3rd on 27Jun1885. He went on to be the Master Mason in 1892,1896,1897,1903,1905 & 1907. Then I contacted the head Lodge in MO. they confirmed but would not let me where in Germany Gottlieb was from. So, I called Mr. Fetters back and asked him what he thought. He said," All I can say is when a petitioner wants to join he has to read a "letter of intent. There should be a record of Gottlieb Sievers". I spoke with him June 2007, he said The Masons were opening a library in Columbia and Gottlieb's info should be there. What do you think??? Everyone tells me I am crazy to "mess around" with the Masons. I just wanted to know WHERE in Germany.
Blessings & Thanks again sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Robert Behnen wrote:
Sandy, If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical society located in Willershausen. Here is their website http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm where you will find an e-mail for the club officers: vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have severalresources and would be well connected with local resources to find out.Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier. There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld. I would write to them in German and English providing all the possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able to confirm your suspicions. Since they appear to be full-fledged history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who havehelped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the challenge.Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area. Best of luck, Bob Behnen Kirksville, MO ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 18:48:45
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>
Sandy, Yes, the death certificate is at the secretary of state website but he is listed as "Gottliev Sievers". I erred though - the info on his birthdate may have been provided by Mahala or children but she did not sign the death certificate as the informant. When I said in my last e-mail "write to them in English and German", I meant the historical society and not necessarily the Sievers families living in the area - although I guess you could do that but personally I would wait until your ancestor's baptismal record was found along with the accompanying information in order to help them identify your branch of the family. I found the following info at the Illinois SOS on-line marriage: Randolph Co May 22, 1859 [Blank], John C. and Loscher, Mina His first wife was probably Wilhel(Mine) Amalia. In the 1860 census she is listed as Mina as I recall. Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you understand the distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate and the church record (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more informative. Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of finding their parents listed there which will help further substantiate the connection when they look for the baptismal record. If you follow the notes in my previous e-mail, you should be able to find the passenger list record on ancestry. In fact, I will e-mail you a copy directly. Sorry to hear about your experience with the Hamburg Passenger Lists. They are a bit tricky to understand how they organized them and even harder to read. Okay, now that you are headed in the right direction - enjoy! Bob Behnen Kirksville, MO
Date: 2008/01/08 18:52:43
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>
Robert Behnen schrieb:
Sandy,If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you mightconsider sending a request for information to the nearby historicalsociety located in Willershausen. Here is their website http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm where you will find an e-mail for the club officers: vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell themthat you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have severalresources and would be well connected with local resources to find out. Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerodedoesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier. There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld.I would write to them in German and English providing all thepossible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are ableto confirm your suspicions. Since they appear to be full-fledged history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who havehelped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the challenge.Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you thinkyour ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area.
Sorry but theWillershausen Heimatverein is the wrong address. I would try the Dögerode Heimatverein.
Heimatverein Dögerode c/o Peter Mutschall Auetalstr. 67 37589 KalefeldHere is the link to the official web page <http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp> Another interessting link shows the web page of the "Heimatfreunde Altes Amt" <http://www.heimatfreunde-altes-amt.de/> follow the link to Dögerode.
Dögerode is part of the Kalefeld parish.
Heinz
P.S. I grew up in Westerhof 5 km away from Dögerode.
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Date: 2008/01/08 18:53:22
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>
Liebe Listenteilnehmer, ich wünsche allen ein genealogisch turbulentes neues Jahr. Nach dem Motte: "ein steter Tropfen höhlt den Stein" wiederhole ich eine Anfrage: In der Zeitung "Zwischen Elbe und Weser" 9/1935 wird folgender Artikel veröffentlicht: Regimentschirurgus Johann Friedrich Jakob Erythropel, der erste Arzt in Basbeck (Lebenslauf des genannten) In einer Fußnote Nr. 9 steht: Über den Pastor Oelfen, der als Feldprediger des hannoverschen Heeres mit in den Türkenkrieg zog, und über diesen Türkenkrieg selbst berichtet, berichtet "Niedersachsen", 1911, Nr 2, ausführlich. DIESE ANGABE IST FALSCH! Dort ist der Bericht nicht zu finden. Hat jemand Kenntnisse über diesen Bericht des Pastors Oelfen? Vielen positiven Hinweisen entgegensehend grüßt Euch dankend Klaus (Riecken) www.Riecken-online.de IMMER AUF DER SUCHE NACH LINKS SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN BETREFFEND
Date: 2008/01/08 18:56:15
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
All Bremen ship records are onlie. The others are lost by fire Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers (Gottlieb Sievers)
Hi Joel, Yes, this is a great day!! And, many thanks to all whom stepped up to help me. Thank You All !!! Do you think I will ever find any ship records out of Breman? Or is it true that they are gone by fire. Blessings & lots of Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:21 AM, Joel S. Russell wrote:Sandy, As active as Gottlieb was you should be able to find an obituary on him, if you haven't already, his town of birth might be given there. Also check the county history if you haven't already. I just read down my emails and see that Bob appears to have found your town. All of my families traveled out of Bremen so I didn't even think to look at the Hamburg lists. Joel At 10:43 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:Hi Joel, This is amazing!! First you find Heinrich G. Sievers in 1860 in Ruma........which I could not. THEN, you find Gottlieb in 1870 . How did you do it?? I did have 1880, but have not put it in my computer yet. So, what do you think after the information you have seen so far? Do you think they really could have came fron Hanover? Every one in Ruma, Il. told me the story that two brothers came over from Hannover, Germany. First the oldest (mine) then his brother Gottlieb. I do have alot more on Gottlieb because he made his presence more noticable in MO. I know he was a coffin maker (because of his newspaper ad) , a blacksmith, Justice of the Peace ( in 1906) , owned a hotel, was the postmaster(1896 & 1915-1928) for many years in House Springs,Mo. and was a "Master Mason" in Fenton,Mo. I have even tried to track down info on Gottlieb's 2 sons from 1st wife. I did find them in St.Louis, Mo and wrote to the police history library. They sent me a picture of him in uniform. But, neither son Charles or William had children. They got married...but no children. I found one of their distant cousins in a nursing home. She and I write alot, but she said her dad really did try to keep in touch with the boys but when Gottlieb remarried they hardly ever came back to visit. i have a copy of his will, it doesnt say a thing of where he was born. Also, both wedding lic., still nothing. Where should I turn to now? Blessings & Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:Sandy, You didn't mention the 1870 and 1880 Census, they are below. 1870 Federal Census: Big River, Jefferson County, MO Meyer, Henry, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith Meyer, Lena, age 20, born Germany Meyer, Amelia, age 1, born MO Rivers, Gottlieb, age 21, born Germany, Blacksmith (Although the name is spelled Rivers, I feel certain this is your Sievers, note he is a Blacksmith) It might be worth checking out Henry Meyers as there could be a connection or perhaps Gottlieb worked for him as a blacksmith. 1880 Federal Census: Meramec, Jefferson County, MO Sievers, Gottlieb, age 32, born in Hannover, Blacksmith Sievers, Ara A., age 30, born in MO Sievers, Willie, age 7, born MO Sievers, Charlie, age 4, born in MO Hope these help. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 07:43 PM 1/7/2008, Sandy Cooper wrote:Descendants of Gottlieb SIEVERS Generation No. 1 1. GOTTLIEB1 SIEVERS was born July 18, 1848 in Hamburg, Germany, and died April 18, 1928 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (1) ARA MELVINA LEE October 22, 1871 in Morse Mill, Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of L.H. LEE. She was born July 03, 1849, and died August 06, 1892 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married (2) MAHALIA E. MEDLEY September 1893 in Jefferson Co., MO, daughter of SAMUEL MEDLEY and ISABEL (MEDLEY). She was born January 1869 in MO, and died Aft. 1930 in Jefferson Co., MO. Notes for GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: BORUSSIA (1) The "Borussia" was a 2,131 gross ton ship, built by Caird & Co, Greenock in 1855 for the Hamburg America Line. Her details were - length 280ft x beam 38.5ft, clipper stem, one funnel, three masts, iron construction, single screw and a speed of 10 knots. There was accommodation for 54-1st, 146-2nd and 310-3rd class passengers. Launched on 3/7/1855, she was immediately chartered by the British government as a Crimean War transport. On 1/6/1856 she started her first Hamburg - New York voyage and on 30/4/1870 sailed from Hamburg on her last run on this service. In 1871 she was fitted with compound engines and was then transferred to the Hamburg - West Indies service. In 1876 she went to the Dominion Line and on 2/9/1876 started sailings between Liverpool and New Orleans. On 20/11/1879 she left Liverpool for the last time for New Orleans but was abandoned at sea on 2nd December with the loss of 169 lives. [North Atlantic Seaway by N.R.P.Bonsor, vol.1,p.387] [Posted to The ShipsList by Ted Finch - 22 October 1997] More About GOTTLIEB SIEVERS: Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO Census 1: 1900, DeSoto, Jefferson Co., MO Census 2: 1910, Jefferson Co., MO Census 3: 1920, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Immigration: May 22, 1863, From Hamburg, Germany to New York aboard Borussia Occupation 1: 1910, Innkeeper Occupation 2: 1920, Post Office More About ARA MELVINA LEE: Burial: Bethlehem Cemetery, Jefferson Co., MO More About MAHALIA E. MEDLEY: Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and ARA LEE are: i. WILLIAM ALBERT2 SIEVERS, b. May 07, 1873, MO; d. November 12, 1952, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.); m. CORA BELL HERMAN, 1901, MO; b. 1876, MO; d. 1938, St. Louis, MO (Source: Missouri State Archives death records 1910-1956, www.sos.mo.gov.). More About WILLIAM ALBERT SIEVERS: Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO Occupation: Policeman ii. CHARLES L. SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1876, MO; d. Unknown; m. SUDIE E. HARVISON, Abt. 1905, MO (Source: Approximate date of marriage according to census records.); b. January 26, 1875, MO; d. July 06, 1946, St. Louis, MO. More About CHARLES L. SIEVERS: Census 1: 1910, St. Louis, MO Census 2: 1920, St. Louis, MO w/ brothers Elmer & Walter in household Census 3: 1930, St. Louis, MO w/ brother Walter in household Occupation: Office Work, Wholesale Hardware More About SUDIE E. HARVISON: Burial: Hiram Cemetery, St. Louis, MO Children of GOTTLIEB SIEVERS and MAHALIA MEDLEY are: iii. MABEL2 SIEVERS, b. July 1894. 2. iv. ELMER R. SIEVERS, b. November 1899, Jefferson Co., MO. v. WALTER SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1902. vi. LOLA SIEVERS, b. Abt. 1905. Generation No. 2 2. ELMER R.2 SIEVERS (GOTTLIEB1) was born November 1899 in Jefferson Co., MO. He married GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) Abt. 1922. She was born Abt. 1904. More About ELMER R. SIEVERS: Census: 1930, House Springs, Meramec, Jefferson Co., MO Children of ELMER SIEVERS and GERTRUDE (SIEVERS) are: i. RAY C.3 SIEVERS, b. 1924. ii. GLORIA R. SIEVERS, b. 1927. iii. DARLENE L. SIEVERS, b. 1929. On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:54 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 19:13:14 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. Hi Sandy Ok you wrote you have the same amount about Gottlieb Sievers. That means the double chance to find the place of birth !! cause Henry and Gottlieb are brothers. So could you please open your box again and give us what you have about him? At the present time i have found not more than his ship, nothing in the 1870 census, surely his name is misspelled. 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Date: 2008/01/08 19:07:25
From: Rodney Schute <rodneymaur(a)earthlink.net>
Hi Sandy, I am near Columbia, MO. I too am searching for ancestors from Hanover area in Germany. Let me know if I can do anything for you in Columbia, MO. I speak and understand a small amount of Deutsch. Rodney Schulte Lohman, MO -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:37 AM To: Hannover-L Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Hi Bob, I see your are from Kirksville, Mo. How close are you to Columbia,Mo. The reason I ask is because in my search on Gottlieb I found out he was a Mason. So I contacted the Fenton Lodge and spoke with Mr. Fetters. He was VERY helpful. He told me that Gottlieb received his 1st Degree on 2May1885, 2nd Degree on 30 May1885 and 3rd on 27Jun1885. He went on to be the Master Mason in 1892,1896,1897,1903,1905 & 1907. Then I contacted the head Lodge in MO. they confirmed but would not let me where in Germany Gottlieb was from. So, I called Mr. Fetters back and asked him what he thought. He said," All I can say is when a petitioner wants to join he has to read a "letter of intent. There should be a record of Gottlieb Sievers". I spoke with him June 2007, he said The Masons were opening a library in Columbia and Gottlieb's info should be there. What do you think??? Everyone tells me I am crazy to "mess around" with the Masons. I just wanted to know WHERE in Germany. Blessings & Thanks again sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Robert Behnen wrote: > Sandy, > > If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might > consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical > society located in Willershausen. Here is their website > http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm > > where you will find an e-mail for the club officers: > vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de > > It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them > that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from > Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have several > resources and would be well connected with local resources to find > out. > > Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode > doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier. > There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld. > > I would write to them in German and English providing all the > possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with > approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able > to confirm your suspicions. Since they appear to be full-fledged > history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who have > helped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the > challenge. > > Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think > your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area. > > Best of luck, > > Bob Behnen > Kirksville, MO > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 19:16:36
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>
Sandy, you wrote: From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> Hi Bob, "...The Masons were opening a library in Columbia and Gottlieb's info should be there. What do you think??? Everyone tells me I am crazy to "mess around" with the Masons. I just wanted to know WHERE in Germany." You didn't know about the secret national treasure that Thomas Jefferson gave to Lewis & Clark to bury somewhere along the banks of the Missouri river during their famous exploration with the corps of discovery in 1804? It is rumored that they buried this awesome national treasure somewhere near Columbia, MO and that years later (late 1890's) a master mason from Missouri who although he came from humble beginnings as a butcher originally from Doegerode in the Kingdom of Hannover and was then living in House Springs, MO, was tasked with moving the treasure for fear that Nicolas Cage's ancestors were close to stealing it from the protection of the masons. Thus, it doesn't surprise me a bit that they would not divulge Gottlieb Siever's town of origin. ... in fact, I only know the above because I am writing the script for National Treasure III - The Butcher of Doegerode! They offered me the role of Gottlieb - but I turned them down for personal security reasons. ;o) Okay, sorry - I couldn't resist! Seriously, I am not familiar with the Masons, the Columbia library or their records. If you want to find out what they have and if they are willing to share that info - I would think having a fellow mason - the higher ranking the better, to pursue this line for you would be your best approach. Personally, I wouldn't waste my time on that lead at present since you have a much hotter trail now. All my best, Bob Behnen Blessings & Thanks again sandy sievers cooper
Date: 2008/01/08 20:04:18
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Rodney,Thanks so much for your offer. Right now I am so excited. After, almost 10 years of digging and hitting BIG brick walls. these wonderful people, I'd call friends, have given me Great hope! Once I get all my ducks in a row I just might email you for some help. Because it is hard searching Il/ MO. while living in Texas.
Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Rodney Schute wrote:
Hi Sandy, I am near Columbia, MO. I too am searching for ancestors from Hanover area in Germany. Let me know if I can do anything for you in Columbia, MO. I speak and understand a small amount of Deutsch. Rodney Schulte Lohman, MO -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Cooper Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:37 AM To: Hannover-L Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers Hi Bob, I see your are from Kirksville, Mo. How close are you to Columbia,Mo. The reason I ask is because in my search on Gottlieb I found out he was a Mason. So I contacted the Fenton Lodge and spoke with Mr. Fetters. He was VERY helpful. He told me that Gottlieb received his 1st Degree on 2May1885, 2nd Degree on 30 May1885 and 3rd on 27Jun1885. He went on to be the Master Mason in 1892,1896,1897,1903,1905 & 1907. Then I contacted the head Lodge in MO. they confirmed but would not let me where in Germany Gottlieb was from. So, I called Mr. Fetters back and asked him what he thought. He said," All I can say is when a petitioner wants to join he has to read a "letter of intent. There should be a record of Gottlieb Sievers". I spoke with him June 2007, he said The Masons were opening a library in Columbia and Gottlieb's info should be there. What do you think??? Everyone tells me I am crazy to "mess around" with the Masons. I just wanted to know WHERE in Germany. Blessings & Thanks again sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Robert Behnen wrote:Sandy, If you speak German (and probably even if you don't), you might consider sending a request for information to the nearby historical society located in Willershausen. Here is their website http://www.willershausen-harz.de/heimatverein.htm where you will find an e-mail for the club officers: vorstand(a)willershausen-harz.de It only costs 12 Euros a year for membership and if you tell them that you are trying to verify that your ancestors were from Doegerode and the surrounding area I believe they have several resources and would be well connected with local resources to find out. Remember, just because Gottlieb was from or born in Doegerode doesn't mean the family wasn't from another nearby town earlier. There are several Sievers families in the area of Kalefeld. I would write to them in German and English providing all the possible birth dates and names for the two brothers along with approximate or exact dates of emigration and see if they are able to confirm your suspicions. Since they appear to be full-fledged history and genealogy buffs like myself and the others who have helped you on this list, it is likely they too may take up the challenge. Be sure to note the Hamburg passenger list entry and why you think your ancestors are from Doegerode or the surrounding area. Best of luck, Bob Behnen Kirksville, MO ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 20:21:39
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Do you think I will ever find any ship records out of Breman? Or is it true that they are gone by fire. Hi Sandy The truth is much harder. I hope my english is good enough to explain that worst case in history of genealogy. The reason why there are no more records in Bremen is easy. In the early 20th century, they had not enough space to store all those datas and of course that time they had no microfilms. And the people who have left Germany .... well our German Emperor was lucky about each and every rebell who has left Germany cause many of them have been unlucky in Germany not enough food no work not content with the German Government. Nobody of our officicials cried a tear for those people leaving our country. And so they decided to make more space and THEY burned the shiplists to get space for new ones. This is no accident as for example the 1890 census who is nearly completely burned. So no hope to find anything in Bremen before 1920 ! But we have the American Shiplists thank god, even when they are sometimes a little bit confusing ! Armin
Date: 2008/01/08 20:32:08
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Armin,Thanks a bunches for clearing that up. So, I will have to always refer to Gottlieb's Records, I guess!!
Much Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:21 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibthannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:Do you think I will ever find any ship records out of Breman? Or is ittrue that they are gone by fire. Hi SandyThe truth is much harder. I hope my english is good enough to explain thatworst case in history of genealogy.The reason why there are no more records in Bremen is easy. In the early 20th century, they had not enough space to store all those datas and of course that time they had no microfilms. And the people who have left Germany .... well our German Emperor was lucky about each and every rebell who has left Germany cause many of them have been unlucky in Germany not enough food no work not content with the German Government. Nobody of our officicials cried a tearfor those people leaving our country.And so they decided to make more space and THEY burned the shiplists to get space for new ones. This is no accident as for example the 1890 census who isnearly completely burned. So no hope to find anything in Bremen before 1920 !But we have the American Shiplists thank god, even when they are sometimes alittle bit confusing ! Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 20:41:56
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you understand the distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate and the church record (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more informative. Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of finding their parents listed there which will help further substantiate the connection when they look for the baptismal record. Hi Sandy Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can find infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records AFTER 1875 are still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This may differ from town to town. 1. Possibility You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help to write the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can print it out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of your family perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one paper !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed someone to read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, then you have a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word. 2. Possibility You try to get a membership like Bob told you. 3. Possibility You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of Hannover. I have a Historian which is working for me _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/) This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is only a SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely others in Hannover. Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who is making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the church "has no time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very different in their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive but more effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can have the exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in genealogy should find the datas. Good luck
Date: 2008/01/08 20:59:43
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
hi,I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town. Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to the church for records and just pay someone here to translate?
blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibthannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you understand the distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate and thechurch record (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more informative.Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of finding their parents listed there which will help further substantiate the connectionwhen they look for the baptismal record. Hi SandyIts correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can find infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records AFTER 1875 are still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This maydiffer from town to town. 1. PossibilityYou can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help to write the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can print it out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of your family perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one paper !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed someone to read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, then youhave a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word. 2. Possibility You try to get a membership like Bob told you. 3. PossibilityYou hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of Hannover.I have a Historian which is working for me _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/)This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is only a SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely others inHannover.Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who is making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the church "has no time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very different in their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive but more effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can have the exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in genealogyshould find the datas. Good luck ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 21:26:13
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Sandy,How much German research do you have to do? Is this your only line or do have several others? Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all Germanic speakers. I've not had any formal German language training, but I picked up a German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can now get through most church records that I come across. Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin which are very helpful for early records. Handwriting is always an issue, but that is a problem in any language. When I've come across something that I couldn't translate clearly then I've usually been able to find a kind person on one of the lists who translates for me.
Of course you might get very lucky like I did on my one family from Hessen. The man I made contact with in Germany was not only fluent in English, but he had written a book on the migration of families in that area to America. He was able to send me my family lines from that area and after much discussion and comparison of notes we actually found we had a common ancestor back around 1600.
Good luck! Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
hi, I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town. Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote: > > In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > schreibt > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: > > Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you > understand the > distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate > and the > church record > (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more > informative. > Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of > finding their > parents listed there which will help further substantiate the > connection > when > they look for the baptismal record. > > > > Hi Sandy > > Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can > find > infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records > AFTER 1875 are > still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This > may > differ from town to town. > > 1. Possibility > > You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help > to write > the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can > print it > out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of > your family > perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one > paper > !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed > someone to > read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, > then you > have a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word. > > 2. Possibility > > You try to get a membership like Bob told you. > > 3. Possibility > > You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of > Hannover. > I have a Historian which is working for me > > _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/) > > This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is > only a > SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely > others in > Hannover. > > Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who > is > making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the > church "has no > time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very > different in > their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive > but more > effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can > have the > exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in > genealogy > should find the datas. > > Good luck > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 21:39:49
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
Ein Hallo an alle Listen-Mitglieder,
ich habe mich eben gerade angemeldet, und benötige gleich einmal Hilfe.
Wer von Euch kannte meine Großtante ?
Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg. Sie ist am 27.02.1975 in Rotenburg (Wümme)
verstorben.
Viele Grüße
Bärbel
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Date: 2008/01/08 21:42:02
From: Gerald Bailey <g.bailey3308(a)sbcglobal.net>
HI- My name is Gerald Bailey and I am doing the family history of the Schroeder Family that can for Hannover, Germany in about 1879-1881. The Schroeder name is for my mother, but I do not know if Hannover is a town or Kingtom. I am looking for information on Fred and Welhelm Schroeder who are brothers that Came to SE MN, Fillmore County, and the Chatfield and Fountain area. They came to this area because of family in the area on their mothers side of the family.Where might one find information on where in Hannover they came from and the ship they came on, etc. Thanks for any help. Gerry. Can not read German. "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote: Sandy, How much German research do you have to do? Is this your only line or do have several others? Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all Germanic speakers. I've not had any formal German language training, but I picked up a German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can now get through most church records that I come across. Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin which are very helpful for early records. Handwriting is always an issue, but that is a problem in any language. When I've come across something that I couldn't translate clearly then I've usually been able to find a kind person on one of the lists who translates for me. Of course you might get very lucky like I did on my one family from Hessen. The man I made contact with in Germany was not only fluent in English, but he had written a book on the migration of families in that area to America. He was able to send me my family lines from that area and after much discussion and comparison of notes we actually found we had a common ancestor back around 1600. Good luck! Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote: >hi, > >I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are >in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her >about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town. >Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to >the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? > >blessings >sandy sievers cooper >On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > > In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > > schreibt > > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: > > > > Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you > > understand the > > distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate > > and the > > church record > > (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more > > informative. > > Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of > > finding their > > parents listed there which will help further substantiate the > > connection > > when > > they look for the baptismal record. > > > > > > > > Hi Sandy > > > > Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can > > find > > infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records > > AFTER 1875 are > > still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This > > may > > differ from town to town. > > > > 1. Possibility > > > > You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help > > to write > > the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can > > print it > > out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of > > your family > > perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one > > paper > > !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed > > someone to > > read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, > > then you > > have a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word. > > > > 2. Possibility > > > > You try to get a membership like Bob told you. > > > > 3. Possibility > > > > You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of > > Hannover. > > I have a Historian which is working for me > > > > _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/) > > > > This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is > > only a > > SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely > > others in > > Hannover. > > > > Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who > > is > > making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the > > church "has no > > time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very > > different in > > their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive > > but more > > effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can > > have the > > exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in > > genealogy > > should find the datas. > > > > Good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Hannover-L mailing list > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 21:59:09
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi there Joel,Oh no! in my family I have Stamm, Kueker, Liefer, Buescher, Meyerhoff, and Tockstein. That's just to name a few. But now that I have an area in Germany to seach I dont want to let any grass grow under my feet. haha! I really would like to find the a church I can search for the Sievers Family. A lady in Ruma, Il. did alot of research many years ago and even wrote to some churches in Germany. She found out the Liefer Family was from Borstel, and the Kueker Family was from Neustadt, am Rubenberge. Do you know how close that is to Dogerode Germany. I may have to buy some "deciphering books" myself.
Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote:
Sandy, How much German research do you have to do? Is this your only line or do have several others? Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all Germanic speakers. I've not had any formal German language training, but I picked up a German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can now get through most church records that I come across. Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin which are very helpful for early records. Handwriting is always an issue, but that is a problem in any language. When I've come across something that I couldn't translate clearly then I've usually been able to find a kind person on one of the lists who translates for me. Of course you might get very lucky like I did on my one family from Hessen. The man I made contact with in Germany was not only fluent in English, but he had written a book on the migration of families in that area to America. He was able to send me my family lines from that area and after much discussion and comparison of notes we actually found we had a common ancestor back around 1600. Good luck! Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:hi, I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with herabout 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you understand the distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate and the church record (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more informative. Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of finding their parents listed there which will help further substantiate the connection when they look for the baptismal record. Hi Sandy Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can find infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records AFTER 1875 are still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This may differ from town to town. 1. Possibility You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help to write the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can print it out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of your family perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one paper !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed someone to read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, then you have a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word. 2. Possibility You try to get a membership like Bob told you. 3. Possibility You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of Hannover. I have a Historian which is working for me _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/) This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is only a SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely others in Hannover. Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who is making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the church "has no time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very different in their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive but more effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can have the exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in genealogy should find the datas. Good luck ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 22:04:47
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Here is the story as handed down by my grandmother:Mr. Menke (given name unknown) and his wife came to the United States around 1848 along with their daughters Elizabeth and Lizetta. They were from Osnabruck or the surrounding area. Shortly after their arrival a son, Louis, was born and shortly after that both parents died. Elizabeth was then taken in by a Lutheran Minister and Lizetta and Louis were taken in my their Aunt Rust. Elizabeth and Lizetta each married and settled in Indianapolis where they lived out their lives. Louis joined the Union Army during the American Civil War. He died during the war and was buried in Virginia.
Now here is what I think I know:Mr. Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and settled in Jackson County, Indiana. Mr. Menke either died on the voyage or very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in Germany). Mr. Menke and Mary's known children are as follows:
1. Christian Menke (Jan 1837-14 Aug 1899) married Louisa Henke and lived his adult life in Dubois County, IN 2. Elisabeth Menke (13 Oct 1841 - 7 May 1934) married Frederick Speier and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN 3. Lizetta Menke (1 Nov 1842 - 2 Apr 1905) married Karl "Charles" Otto and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN
4. Louis Menke, born abt 1845. no other information. 5. Mary Menke, born abt 1848, no other informationBy 1860 the children were scattered with Christian and Louis still in Jackson County, IN (though not together), Elisabeth married and living in Indianapolis, and no sign of Lizetta, Mary or their mother. In 1861 Christian moved to Dubois County, IN where he lived the rest of his life. Louis drops from sight after the 1860 Census, a search of military records hasn't turned him up as of yet. The spelling of the last name varies and it's possible he went by a different given name. Although I've not found Lizetta in 1860 she married in Indianapolis in 1862 where she remained the rest of her life. I've identified Aunt Rust as Lizetta (or Henrietta) Rust who is most likely the sister of their mother Mary. Lizetta Rust (c1810-19 Aug 1894) was married to Frederick Rust (c1811-c1875) and they were living in Jackson County, IN in 1850 and 1860. The moved to Dubois County, IN by 1870 and Lizetta Rust (widow) was living in the household of her niece Lizetta (who had married Karl Otto) in 1880. A check of probate records in Jackson County, IN did not turn up anything on Mr. Menke or his wife Mary. The family was of the Lutheran faith in the United States. A check of church records hasn't turned up any town name.
Thank you, Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
Date: 2008/01/08 22:13:00
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Sandy, Roughly.... Dögerode is 60miles SSE of Neustadt am Rübenberge. Neustadt am Rübenberge is 25 miles SE of Borstel Joel At 03:59 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
Hi there Joel, Oh no! in my family I have Stamm, Kueker, Liefer, Buescher, Meyerhoff, and Tockstein. That's just to name a few. But now that I have an area in Germany to seach I dont want to let any grass grow under my feet. haha! I really would like to find the a church I can search for the Sievers Family. A lady in Ruma, Il. did alot of research many years ago and even wrote to some churches in Germany. She found out the Liefer Family was from Borstel, and the Kueker Family was from Neustadt, am Rubenberge. Do you know how close that is to Dogerode Germany. I may have to buy some "deciphering books" myself. Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Joel S. Russell wrote: > Sandy, > > How much German research do you have to do? Is > this your only line or do have several > others? Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes > back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all > Germanic speakers. I've not had any formal > German language training, but I picked up a > German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I > Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can > now get through most church records that I come > across. Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin > which are very helpful for early > records. Handwriting is always an issue, but > that is a problem in any language. When I've > come across something that I couldn't translate > clearly then I've usually been able to find a > kind person on one of the lists who translates for me. > > Of course you might get very lucky like I did on > my one family from Hessen. The man I made > contact with in Germany was not only fluent in > English, but he had written a book on the > migration of families in that area to > America. He was able to send me my family lines > from that area and after much discussion and > comparison of notes we actually found we had a > common ancestor back around 1600. > > Good luck! > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > > At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote: >> hi, >> >> I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are >> in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her >> about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a >> town. >> Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to >> the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? >> >> blessings >> sandy sievers cooper >> On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote: >> >>> >>> In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit >>> schreibt >>> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: >>> >>> Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you >>> understand the >>> distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate >>> and the >>> church record >>> (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more >>> informative. >>> Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of >>> finding their >>> parents listed there which will help further substantiate the >>> connection >>> when >>> they look for the baptismal record. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Sandy >>> >>> Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can >>> find >>> infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records >>> AFTER 1875 are >>> still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This >>> may >>> differ from town to town. >>> >>> 1. Possibility >>> >>> You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help >>> to write >>> the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can >>> print it >>> out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of >>> your family >>> perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one >>> paper >>> !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed >>> someone to >>> read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, >>> then you >>> have a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word. >>> >>> 2. Possibility >>> >>> You try to get a membership like Bob told you. >>> >>> 3. Possibility >>> >>> You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of >>> Hannover. >>> I have a Historian which is working for me >>> >>> _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/) >>> >>> This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is >>> only a >>> SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely >>> others in >>> Hannover. >>> >>> Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who >>> is >>> making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the >>> church "has no >>> time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very >>> different in >>> their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive >>> but more >>> effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can >>> have the >>> exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in >>> genealogy >>> should find the datas. >>> >>> Good luck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> >>> Hannover-L mailing list >>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Hannover-L mailing list >> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 22:15:58
From: dknoepfel <dknoepfel(a)aol.com>
Hi Joel I have been following the Sievers saga. I am interested in the person in Hessen you were in contact with. I have located some of my Knopfel and related families in Hessen. They lived in the area south of Kassel (villages of Lendorf, Singlis, Gombeth and several others). Thanks, Don Knoepfel -----Original Message----- From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers ... German church records Sandy, How much German research do you have to do? Is his your only line or do have several thers? Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes ack to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all ermanic speakers. I've not had any formal erman language training, but I picked up a erman-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I an You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can ow get through most church records that I come cross. Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin hich are very helpful for early ecords. Handwriting is always an issue, but hat is a problem in any language. When I've ome across something that I couldn't translate learly then I've usually been able to find a ind person on one of the lists who translates for me. Of course you might get very lucky like I did on y one family from Hessen. The man I made ontact with in Germany was not only fluent in nglish, but he had written a book on the igration of families in that area to merica. He was able to send me my family lines rom that area and after much discussion and omparison of notes we actually found we had a ommon ancestor back around 1600. Good luck! Joel ttp://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ t 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote: hi, I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town. Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote: > > In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > schreibt > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: > > Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you > understand the > distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate > and the > church record > (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more > informative. > Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of > finding their > parents listed there which will help further substantiate the > connection > when > they look for the baptismal record. > > > > Hi Sandy > > Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can > find > infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records > AFTER 1875 are > still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This > may > differ from town to town. > > 1. Possibility > > You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help > to write > the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can > print it > out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of > your family > perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one > paper > !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed > someone to > read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, > then you > have a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word. > > 2. Possibility > > You try to get a membership like Bob told you. > > 3. Possibility > > You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of > Hannover. > I have a Historian which is working for me > > _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/) > > This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is > only a > SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely > others in > Hannover. > > Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who > is > making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the > church "has no > time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very > different in > their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive > but more > effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can > have the > exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in > genealogy > should find the datas. > > Good luck > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _____________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list annover-L(a)genealogy.net ttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Date: 2008/01/08 22:29:41
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
Hello Joel You have just nearly ruined my day. I have much to do and along comes this wonderful site you included in your last posting. Absolutely great. Thank you for sharing this with us. I have a few old portraits which I cherish but not nearly the number you have. I can only imagine the total when the identified ones are included. I have a couple of tin types that are not identified, too difficult to write on the back. I have a reasonable idea as to who is in the picture but no way to confirm it. I have asked a couple of sources for the name of a photography historian who may be able to shed some light as to the time frame it was taken. I live in Chesterfield Mo and eveyone sends me to Creve Coeur Photo. No help. Do you know of a person who has this talent either professionally or as a hobby? If so drop me a note. I once had Dr. Moehle do some work for me and was well satisfied even though the search did not turn up the right Burgdorf. I have a couple of new leads and I may have her look some more. Now, I'll go back and look some more at your pictures. Incidentally I am very lucky to have what I do have. After my brother died in New Orleans his wife found them in their attic and passed them on to me. That was in May and in September Hurricane Katrina totally destroyed her home. She fortunately fled to Mississippi where she now resides. Max ---- "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > Sandy, > > How much German research do you have to do? Is > this your only line or do have several > others? Over three-quarters of my ancestry goes > back to what is now Germany and/or Poland, all > Germanic speakers. I've not had any formal > German language training, but I picked up a > German-English dictionary and Edna Bentz's "If I > Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records" and can > now get through most church records that I come > across. Bentz's book includes phrases in Latin > which are very helpful for early > records. Handwriting is always an issue, but > that is a problem in any language. When I've > come across something that I couldn't translate > clearly then I've usually been able to find a > kind person on one of the lists who translates for me. > > Of course you might get very lucky like I did on > my one family from Hessen. The man I made > contact with in Germany was not only fluent in > English, but he had written a book on the > migration of families in that area to > America. He was able to send me my family lines > from that area and after much discussion and > comparison of notes we actually found we had a > common ancestor back around 1600. > > Good luck! > > Joel > http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > > At 02:58 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote: > >hi, > > > >I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are > >in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her > >about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town. > >Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to > >the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? > > > >blessings > >sandy sievers cooper > >On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:41 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 18:58:17 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > > > schreibt > > > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: > > > > > > Regarding the marriage records, I just want to make sure you > > > understand the > > > distinction between the civil (state) marriage license/certificate > > > and the > > > church record > > > (sacremental record) - the church records are typically much more > > > informative. > > > Since there are so many marriages, there is a good chance of > > > finding their > > > parents listed there which will help further substantiate the > > > connection > > > when > > > they look for the baptismal record. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Sandy > > > > > > Its correct was Bob was telling you with a little bit o luck you can > > > find > > > infos directly in the church of Doegerode. Usually church records > > > AFTER 1875 are > > > still visible at the town major before in the church of a town. This > > > may > > > differ from town to town. > > > > > > 1. Possibility > > > > > > You can send a letter to the church in Doegerode (if you need help > > > to write > > > the letter in German i will do this for you no problem and you can > > > print it > > > out and sign it). But the problem may be they send you a copy of > > > your family > > > perhaps with good luck they may have more than 3 Generations on one > > > paper > > > !!!!!!!! i had that luck with my wifes family, but ...... i needed > > > someone to > > > read it for me. Cause that old writings are sometimes hard to read, > > > then you > > > have a piece of paper and you cant read not one single word. > > > > > > 2. Possibility > > > > > > You try to get a membership like Bob told you. > > > > > > 3. Possibility > > > > > > You hire a professional Genealogist or Historian for the region of > > > Hannover. > > > I have a Historian which is working for me > > > > > > _http://www.moehle-research.com/_ (http://www.moehle-research.com/) > > > > > > This is for example MY helper, i am very content with her, this is > > > only a > > > SUGGESTION i do not make promotion for anyone, there are surely > > > others in > > > Hannover. > > > > > > Maybe the church in Doegerode is giving you the name of a person who > > > is > > > making researches, cause in most cases i got the reply that the > > > church "has no > > > time to do researches in genealogy". But those volunteers are very > > > different in > > > their quality. A professional searcher is sometimes more expensive > > > but more > > > effective. Its your choice. But you have and thats the best you can > > > have the > > > exact date of birth of both persons so even a complete newcomer in > > > genealogy > > > should find the datas. > > > > > > Good luck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > > > Hannover-L mailing list > > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > >______________________________________________ > > > >Hannover-L mailing list > >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/08 23:04:11
From: james danielsen <JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com>
Hello, Have tried the book - "Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports", Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38 1988. My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records from American sources. There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the website handy, but a google search might help. Jim Danielsen Stoughton, WI
Date: 2008/01/08 23:09:52
From: Anke E. Waldmann <anke(a)die-waldmanns.de>
Hi Joel, I'm searching in the area of the parish of Schledehausen (and surrounding area), county of Osnabrück. The surnames Menke, Henke and Rust are all known in that area. Unfortunalety none of that names are part of my ancestors so I won't be of much help for you. Looking through my the dates I've, I found the following baptism entry in the parish of Schledehausen: Born Nov 14, 1811, name: Johann Friedrich, parents: Johann Adam Rust and Anne Marie Knackwefel of Wulften, sponsors: Hermann Friedrich Fischer?, Johann Friedrich Rust and Catharine Engel Kröger. There's a Henke family in Wulften, too, although I don't have enough information to tell if there was a Louisa Henke. The Menkes that I know of are from Niederholsten, parish of Oldendorf, just at the border to the parish of Schledehausen. But again, I've not enough information to tell if the family your're looking for is coming from there, too. I did a search for Menke at http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de to see what I can find there. Wow, Menke is a common name. What about Eberhard Heinrich Menke from Darum, parish of Belm, age 47, who got the permission to emigrate in 1840 and what to go with his wife, nee Jürgens, three sons and two daughters? There's also a Christian Heinrich Menke, born Apr 1834 in the parish of Oldendorf, got permission in 1852, a brother and a sister are already in the USA. There are a lot of other Menkes from the Osnabrück area who got the permission to emigrate in that database, maybe you should have a look yourselve. I hope that this will help you. Greetings from Germany, Anke Waldmann www.die-waldmanns.de www.grambergen.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:02:10 -0500 From: "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> Subject: [HN] Menke - My Brick Wall To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Message-ID: <E1JCLcI-0006M0-00(a)pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well since Sandy had such good luck, I thought I'd present my brick wall and see if anyone can help me. Here is the story as handed down by my grandmother: Mr. Menke (given name unknown) and his wife came to the United States around 1848 along with their daughters Elizabeth and Lizetta. They were from Osnabruck or the surrounding area. Shortly after their arrival a son, Louis, was born and shortly after that both parents died. Elizabeth was then taken in by a Lutheran Minister and Lizetta and Louis were taken in my their Aunt Rust. Elizabeth and Lizetta each married and settled in Indianapolis where they lived out their lives. Louis joined the Union Army during the American Civil War. He died during the war and was buried in Virginia. Now here is what I think I know: Mr. Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and settled in Jackson County, Indiana. Mr. Menke either died on the voyage or very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in Germany). Mr. Menke and Mary's known children are as follows: 1. Christian Menke (Jan 1837-14 Aug 1899) married Louisa Henke and lived his adult life in Dubois County, IN 2. Elisabeth Menke (13 Oct 1841 - 7 May 1934) married Frederick Speier and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN 3. Lizetta Menke (1 Nov 1842 - 2 Apr 1905) married Karl "Charles" Otto and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN 4. Louis Menke, born abt 1845. no other information. 5. Mary Menke, born abt 1848, no other information By 1860 the children were scattered with Christian and Louis still in Jackson County, IN (though not together), Elisabeth married and living in Indianapolis, and no sign of Lizetta, Mary or their mother. In 1861 Christian moved to Dubois County, IN where he lived the rest of his life. Louis drops from sight after the 1860 Census, a search of military records hasn't turned him up as of yet. The spelling of the last name varies and it's possible he went by a different given name. Although I've not found Lizetta in 1860 she married in Indianapolis in 1862 where she remained the rest of her life. I've identified Aunt Rust as Lizetta (or Henrietta) Rust who is most likely the sister of their mother Mary. Lizetta Rust (c1810-19 Aug 1894) was married to Frederick Rust (c1811-c1875) and they were living in Jackson County, IN in 1850 and 1860. The moved to Dubois County, IN by 1870 and Lizetta Rust (widow) was living in the household of her niece Lizetta (who had married Karl Otto) in 1880. A check of probate records in Jackson County, IN did not turn up anything on Mr. Menke or his wife Mary. The family was of the Lutheran faith in the United States. A check of church records hasn't turned up any town name. Thank you, Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ ------------------------------
Date: 2008/01/08 23:45:14
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 21:01:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with her about 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town. Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? Hi Sandy Well you have only to ask in the church of Dögerode, if the two Sievers brothers are born there. Its only a little town i dont think they have more than 2 churches each for one confession. I will try to find out. Yes the lady who is working for me is Sylvia and if she told you she cant help you without having a town to look for ..... you cant search in the whole Kingdom of Hannover but now you have the exact place and the exact date, so a prof like she will have the results within a short time. I think when you put in the link i have sent you you will find out how you can pay her, she has surely not only one client from the USA. Let me see if i can get the postal adress of the church in Dögerode, is your family Lutheran or catholic? Maybe the church is sending you the results not as a original copy perhaps you get it as a transcript so you can read it without any help. Or even both a copy and a transcript. let me first see if i can get the adress of the church. When we find nothing you can order a genealogist, but it may be worth to try the cheaper version first. Armin
Date: 2008/01/09 00:00:38
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 22:14:22 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Mr. Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and settled in Jackson County, Indiana. Mr. Menke either died on the voyage or very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in Germany). Mr. Menke and Mary's known children are as follows: Ok Joel I have saved your mail in my Word document and i will try my very best. When i understand your problem correct you are only looking (ONLY LOL) for Mr. Menke and his wife is that correct? But unfortunately i will have to wait with my head hunter work till tuesday, cause tomorrow i have the plumber in my house ............ GRRRRRRRRRR and i will have not time for my favorite job searching at ancestry. Armin
Date: 2008/01/09 00:56:08
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi Armin,Thanks for checking on the church address for me. I see you have plumbing issues.....wish I could help. My sister( from my mother's 2nd marriage) is married to a plumber in Mississippi.
blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:45 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 21:01:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibthannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with herabout 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? Hi SandyWell you have only to ask in the church of Dögerode, if the two Sievers brothers are born there. Its only a little town i dont think they have more than2 churches each for one confession. I will try to find out.Yes the lady who is working for me is Sylvia and if she told you she cant help you without having a town to look for ..... you cant search in the whole Kingdom of Hannover but now you have the exact place and the exact date, so aprof like she will have the results within a short time.I think when you put in the link i have sent you you will find out how youcan pay her, she has surely not only one client from the USA.Let me see if i can get the postal adress of the church in Dögerode, is yourfamily Lutheran or catholic?Maybe the church is sending you the results not as a original copy perhapsyou get it as a transcript so you can read it without any help.Or even both a copy and a transcript. let me first see if i can get theadress of the church.When we find nothing you can order a genealogist, but it may be worth to trythe cheaper version first. Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/09 00:59:38
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
sorry..ArminI did not answer your question. Mother is Catholic and Father( Charles Lee Sievers) is Lutheran. My mother's family won and I was raised Catholic.
Does that make a difference? Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 4:45 PM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 21:01:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibthannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: I was and printed this info out on my printer. How many churches are in that area? Is the lady you spoke with Sylvia? I spoke with herabout 5-7 years ago and she she she could not help until I had a town.Also, since I am in the US, how do I pay her? Is it better to go to the church for records and just pay someone here to translate? Hi SandyWell you have only to ask in the church of Dögerode, if the two Sievers brothers are born there. Its only a little town i dont think they have more than2 churches each for one confession. I will try to find out.Yes the lady who is working for me is Sylvia and if she told you she cant help you without having a town to look for ..... you cant search in the whole Kingdom of Hannover but now you have the exact place and the exact date, so aprof like she will have the results within a short time.I think when you put in the link i have sent you you will find out how youcan pay her, she has surely not only one client from the USA.Let me see if i can get the postal adress of the church in Dögerode, is yourfamily Lutheran or catholic?Maybe the church is sending you the results not as a original copy perhapsyou get it as a transcript so you can read it without any help.Or even both a copy and a transcript. let me first see if i can get theadress of the church.When we find nothing you can order a genealogist, but it may be worth to trythe cheaper version first. Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/09 01:07:52
From: PJ V <netkitty(a)hotmail.com>
Hello Joel: Here is one I found that might be of some interest. Try looking up his naturalization record. If this isn't your Mr. Menke, perhaps he's a relative who had something to do with bringing him to Indiana: Name: Edward H. Menke Year: 1847-1848 Place: Indiana Source Publication Code: 3434 Primary Immigrant: Menke, Edward H Source Bibliography: AN INDEX TO INDIANA NATURALIZATION RECORDS Found in Various Order Books of the Ninety-Two Local Courts prior to 1907. Indianapolis: Family History Section, Indiana Historical Society, 1981. 172p. Page: 105Good luck, Pam
Date: 2008/01/09 01:13:21
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Anke,Thank you for your reply, I will take a closer look at Schledehausen and Niederholsten.
One clue I neglected in my earlier email was that in the 1880 Census Lizetta Otto (born Menke) stated her father was born in Hannover, but that her mother was born in Holland. Henrietta Rust, her aunt, who was living with them at the time stated that she and her parents were born in Holland. This is the reason I feel that Henrietta/Lizetta Rust was a sister Lizetta Menke's mother Mary.
Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 05:09 PM 1/8/2008, you wrote:
--===============0023075456== Hi Joel, I'm searching in the area of the parish of Schledehausen (and surrounding area), county of Osnabrück. The surnames Menke, Henke and Rust are all known in that area. Unfortunalety none of that names are part of my ancestors so I won't be of much help for you. Looking through my the dates I've, I found the following baptism entry in the parish of Schledehausen: Born Nov 14, 1811, name: Johann Friedrich, parents: Johann Adam Rust and Anne Marie Knackwefel of Wulften, sponsors: Hermann Friedrich Fischer?, Johann Friedrich Rust and Catharine Engel Kröger. There's a Henke family in Wulften, too, although I don't have enough information to tell if there was a Louisa Henke. The Menkes that I know of are from Niederholsten, parish of Oldendorf, just at the border to the parish of Schledehausen. But again, I've not enough information to tell if the family your're looking for is coming from there, too. I did a search for Menke at http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de to see what I can find there. Wow, Menke is a common name. What about Eberhard Heinrich Menke from Darum, parish of Belm, age 47, who got the permission to emigrate in 1840 and what to go with his wife, nee Jürgens, three sons and two daughters? There's also a Christian Heinrich Menke, born Apr 1834 in the parish of Oldendorf, got permission in 1852, a brother and a sister are already in the USA. There are a lot of other Menkes from the Osnabrück area who got the permission to emigrate in that database, maybe you should have a look yourselve. I hope that this will help you. Greetings from Germany, Anke Waldmann www.die-waldmanns.de www.grambergen.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:02:10 -0500 From: "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> Subject: [HN] Menke - My Brick Wall To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Message-ID: <E1JCLcI-0006M0-00(a)pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Well since Sandy had such good luck, I thought I'd present my brick wall and see if anyone can help me. Here is the story as handed down by my grandmother: Mr. Menke (given name unknown) and his wife came to the United States around 1848 along with their daughters Elizabeth and Lizetta. They were from Osnabruck or the surrounding area. Shortly after their arrival a son, Louis, was born and shortly after that both parents died. Elizabeth was then taken in by a Lutheran Minister and Lizetta and Louis were taken in my their Aunt Rust. Elizabeth and Lizetta each married and settled in Indianapolis where they lived out their lives. Louis joined the Union Army during the American Civil War. He died during the war and was buried in Virginia. Now here is what I think I know: Mr. Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and settled in Jackson County, Indiana. Mr. Menke either died on the voyage or very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in Germany). Mr. Menke and Mary's known children are as follows: 1. Christian Menke (Jan 1837-14 Aug 1899) married Louisa Henke and lived his adult life in Dubois County, IN 2. Elisabeth Menke (13 Oct 1841 - 7 May 1934) married Frederick Speier and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN 3. Lizetta Menke (1 Nov 1842 - 2 Apr 1905) married Karl "Charles" Otto and lived her adult life in Indianapolis, IN 4. Louis Menke, born abt 1845. no other information. 5. Mary Menke, born abt 1848, no other information By 1860 the children were scattered with Christian and Louis still in Jackson County, IN (though not together), Elisabeth married and living in Indianapolis, and no sign of Lizetta, Mary or their mother. In 1861 Christian moved to Dubois County, IN where he lived the rest of his life. Louis drops from sight after the 1860 Census, a search of military records hasn't turned him up as of yet. The spelling of the last name varies and it's possible he went by a different given name. Although I've not found Lizetta in 1860 she married in Indianapolis in 1862 where she remained the rest of her life. I've identified Aunt Rust as Lizetta (or Henrietta) Rust who is most likely the sister of their mother Mary. Lizetta Rust (c1810-19 Aug 1894) was married to Frederick Rust (c1811-c1875) and they were living in Jackson County, IN in 1850 and 1860. The moved to Dubois County, IN by 1870 and Lizetta Rust (widow) was living in the household of her niece Lizetta (who had married Karl Otto) in 1880. A check of probate records in Jackson County, IN did not turn up anything on Mr. Menke or his wife Mary. The family was of the Lutheran faith in the United States. A check of church records hasn't turned up any town name. Thank you, Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ ------------------------------ --===============0023075456== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l --===============0023075456==--
Date: 2008/01/09 01:26:21
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Armin,Yes, I'm primarily interested in finding Mr. Menke and his wife Mary and, hopefully, where they are from. Once I get through that roadbloack I can move forward (or is it backward) on their ancestry. I've been very fortunate over the past 30 years to find the village and then family of my ancestors in Germany. At present I only have two that I've not gotten back to Germany, one is the Menke family.
Thank you for your assistance and good luck with the plumber! Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 06:00 PM 1/8/2008, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
In einer eMail vom 08.01.2008 22:14:22 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Mr. Menke and his wife, Mary, came to the U.S. about 1848 or 1849 and settled in Jackson County, Indiana. Mr. Menke either died on the voyage or very shortly after they arrived (it's possible he died in Germany). Mr. Menke and Mary's known children are as follows: Ok Joel I have saved your mail in my Word document and i will try my very best. When i understand your problem correct you are only looking (ONLY LOL) for Mr. Menke and his wife is that correct? But unfortunately i will have to wait with my head hunter work till tuesday, cause tomorrow i have the plumber in my house ............ GRRRRRRRRRR and i will have not time for my favorite job searching at ancestry. Armin ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/09 06:38:39
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>
Hi Sandy, It does make a difference in which Church you contact for possible records :) Congratulations on finding your ancestor's village! Don Roddy Jacksonville
Date: 2008/01/09 07:47:39
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
We need to remember that a man named his first son for his father.
If he had four sons, they each named their first son for their father.
So four first cousins had the same name!
My ancestor came to the USA at 15 with a 30-year-old cousin
of the exact same name.
It is easy to mistake these cousins in the USA census and picking
one with an age that is "close" can mean picking a cousin!
----- Original Message -----
From: DSore10588
To: Hannover-L
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] SIEVERS
Living in St. Louis and being born in Illinois is not all that far fetched. It happened in my family. They apparently moved for around three years to somewhere in Illinois in between census records. So, it could happen.
ssage dated 01/07/08 08:17:33 Central Standard Time, AJHattorf writes:
In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
Wow! Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to
American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says:
SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October 1856.
Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New Orleans.
Hi Sandy
I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that
you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census.
I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the
shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old,
ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the
arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832.
And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as
Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok.
And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry
Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next
page they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would
be still ok.
But now the break in that story
In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in Ruma,
Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the
same that lived before in St. Louis????
IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named Henry
but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry Sievers
was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the 1880
census he should be now about 12 years old?????
Hope you have still some infos about that
Armin
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Date: 2008/01/09 09:59:29
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Sandy
Ok i have been looking for the adress of the church in Dögerode. First i
tried to see the homepage of this very little town. They have only a population
of 166 persons. But they have a church you may see it on that homepage and
they have a Heimatverein, well thats someone who is doing researches in the past
of the town. Maybe he can help you too. You see his adress too on that
homepage.
_http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp_
(http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp)
Here you see all about that little town and you see a picture from the
church. Today Dögerode is part of Kalefeld.
Heimatverein Dögerode Herr Peter Mutschall Auetalstr. 67
37589 Kalefeld
This is the adress of the Heimatverein unfortunately no phone number in the
phonebook in Kalefeld.
Well i have been checking the German phonebook. God bless Germany we dont
have to pay to see the entrys like you in America.
There is a Sievers family living in Kalefeld! Perhaps they know something?
Shell i call them?
Sievers Edith u. Detlef
Adresse
Oberer Heukamp 9
37589 Kalefeld / Westerhof Telefon
05553 17 70
Maybe they hang up when you call them, cause they think its a bad joke,
maybe they are pleased. Its a 50:50 chance.
You can see Dögerode using GOOGLE EARTH then you can see the hometown of
your ancestor from satellite. I have done it to verify if they have two churches
or only one i am not sure i think i have seen only one from above the roofs
look all similar.
AND FINALLY this is the homepage were you find the adress of the PFARRAMT
with email adress were you can put in your request:
_http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp_
(http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp)
_Ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Kalefeld_ (http://www.kirche-altesamt.de/)
mit den Ortschaften Kalefeld, Dögerode, Sebexen
Pastor Rolf Wulkop, Grabenstr. 12, 37589 Kalefeld
Telefon: 05553 / 7 65, Telefax: 05553 / 99 53 29
E-Mail: _Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de_ (mailto:Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de)
So i think its time to write the letter and send it to the email adress you
are only one klick away from your family history.
Have a fine day
Armin
P.S. The plumber needed only 2 hours so i have a little time lol.
Date: 2008/01/09 14:35:50
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Hi DonThanks for your information. Yep, it is Wonderful to actually have the name. Feels like Christmas morning!
Blessings sandy sievers cooper On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:38 PM, svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com wrote:
Hi Sandy,It does make a difference in which Church you contact for possible records:) Congratulations on finding your ancestor's village! Don Roddy Jacksonville ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/09 15:11:06
From: Sandy Cooper <sandy4lsu(a)att.net>
Good Morning Armin,Wow! Each day just keeps gets better and better. Thanks for all your help. I am trying to take this all in and collect my thoughts before I go forward. I do not want to do something wrong and shut a door to my family search. I do have some questions if you have the time? If you dont have the time, I am still grateful for all your help. (Please dont laugh.) First, how would I write the town, county, state, and country my family is from? (2) Is the town so small that they wont have records? (3) Should I write to Herr Peter? (4) What does "Herr" mean? (5) if so, with his address would I put Germany? (6) Can you refer me to a web-site that will show me how to write a letter? I found some, but they look long and I have always heard if you find the ancestral town....keep it short. (7) Should I try to call ms. Edith Sievers??? What if she speaks only German? I only know Guten Tag. (I think.....it means Good Day??) You would think someone, such as myself, being over 89% German (As per a researcher in Texas,US) would know some German. I feel scared that I might say the wrong thing. On a side note: my 3 German Schnauzers are named Sigmund, Mozart and Einstein. ha ha ! Back to questions, (8) What is PFARRAMT mean? (9) How would I send a US money order or cashier check? Where there is a fee or just to make a donation to the church?
I loved the website, and I saw the church at the top left. I think? It's just hard when you can't read German. But I will try to learn.
Thanks for your help & sorry for taking up sooo much of your time with questions.
Blessings and Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:59 AM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
Hi SandyOk i have been looking for the adress of the church in Dögerode. First i tried to see the homepage of this very little town. They have only a population of 166 persons. But they have a church you may see it on that homepage and they have a Heimatverein, well thats someone who is doing researches in the past of the town. Maybe he can help you too. You see his adress too on thathomepage. _http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp_ (http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp) Here you see all about that little town and you see a picture from the church. Today Dögerode is part of Kalefeld. Heimatverein Dögerode Herr Peter Mutschall Auetalstr. 67 37589 KalefeldThis is the adress of the Heimatverein unfortunately no phone number in thephonebook in Kalefeld.Well i have been checking the German phonebook. God bless Germany we donthave to pay to see the entrys like you in America.There is a Sievers family living in Kalefeld! Perhaps they know something?Shell i call them? Sievers Edith u. Detlef Adresse Oberer Heukamp 9 37589 Kalefeld / Westerhof Telefon 05553 17 70Maybe they hang up when you call them, cause they think its a bad joke,maybe they are pleased. Its a 50:50 chance.You can see Dögerode using GOOGLE EARTH then you can see the hometown of your ancestor from satellite. I have done it to verify if they have two churches or only one i am not sure i think i have seen only one from above the roofslook all similar.AND FINALLY this is the homepage were you find the adress of the PFARRAMTwith email adress were you can put in your request: _http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp_ (http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp) _Ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Kalefeld_ (http://www.kirche-altesamt.de/) mit den Ortschaften Kalefeld, Dögerode, Sebexen Pastor Rolf Wulkop, Grabenstr. 12, 37589 Kalefeld Telefon: 05553 / 7 65, Telefax: 05553 / 99 53 29 E-Mail: _Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de_ (mailto:Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de)So i think its time to write the letter and send it to the email adress youare only one klick away from your family history. Have a fine day Armin P.S. The plumber needed only 2 hours so i have a little time lol. ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/09 17:04:18
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Joel Not bad that challenge .... but i have a more horrible one .... but later on. I have found only Lizetta Otto nee Menke in the 1900 census. I see she is telling the enumerator that she came in 1850 to the USA. Would be interesting to see Elisabeth and Mr. Fredrick Speier in 1900, 1910 or 1920 so that we could see the year of emmigration if she has the same idea about that year. But looks like i am to stupid to find Ellisabeth and Frederick. Well ok will try it tomorrow again. Armin
Date: 2008/01/09 17:28:53
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Hi Armin, I look forward to your challenge, once you've solved mine. <grin> In 1900 Elizabeth Speier is widowed, she states she came to the USA in 1849. In 1910 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1853. In 1920 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1845 and was naturalized in 1863. Kindest regards, Joel -----Original Message----- >From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 11:03 AM >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net >Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL) > >Hi Joel > >Not bad that challenge .... but i have a more horrible one .... but later on. > >I have found only Lizetta Otto nee Menke in the 1900 census. I see she is >telling the enumerator that she came in 1850 to the USA. Would be interesting to > see Elisabeth and Mr. Fredrick Speier in 1900, 1910 or 1920 so that we could >see the year of emmigration if she has the same idea about that year. But >looks like i am to stupid to find Ellisabeth and Frederick. Well ok will try it >tomorrow again. > >Armin > > > > >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/09 18:24:49
From: Robert Behnen <the.behnen.family(a)sbcglobal.net>
Joel, Here is what I found: in the 1850 census, neighbors were Fosbrink (Vosbrink), Barchers (Borchers), Nentrup and others. These are as you know all low German speakers and likely from the same general area. 1850 was fairly early yet and I wonder if these families might have a connection? The key for me was the aunt, Lissette Rust and her husband Friedrich Rust. I found them in the passenger list records coming through New Orleans on the ship: Diana arriving on June 3, 1845 from Bremen. Traveling with them for a voyage that started in Hannover and lasted approximately 3 months was also a 'servant', Elise Hagemeyer - another key to the puzzle and most likely a sister to Lissetta Rust. Then checking the emigration records from the Staatsarchiv in Osnabrück revealed the following emigration documents noting their departure on March 31, 1845: Rep 335, Nr. 4249 Vol II 1. Rust, Johann Friedrich aus Osnabrück 2. 1811 3. Tagelöhner 4. ? 5. Ehefrau Elisabeth geb. Hagemeyer 6. ? 7. Amerika 8. 31.3.1845 9. 150 Reichstaler 10. ? A duplicate record from another source Dep 3 b III Nr. 501 1. Rust, Johann Friedrich aus Osnabrück 2. 1811 3. Tagelöhner 4. ? 5. Ehefrau Elisabeth geb. Hagemeyer 1811 6. ? 7. Amerika 8. 31.3.1845 9. 150 Reichstaler 10. Thus, my guess is that Mr. Menke was married to Mary Hagemeyer. Now, the question is whether they actually lived in Osnabrück. It is likely that Lissetta married Johann Friedrich Rust there and that her marriage record will then indicate where she was from if elsewhere. There appear to be several Hagemeyers from Dissen, Pf. Iburg. The earlier suggestions on Eberhard Heinrich Menke seems like a good possibility too. There are other notes on ancestry immigration records for him indicating he appeared in records from the Kreis Steinfurt and the Regierungsbezirk Münster. Ironically, I have not yet been able to find him in the American passenger lists. Here are some follow up questions for you: Have you checked the church records in Brownstown Twp, Jackson Co, IN? What about the girls church marriage records when they married in Marion Co? Spier oo Menke about 1859 or Otto oo Menke on Apr 23, 1862? What about Christian Menke's church marriage record? or church burial record? Has the Hagemeyer family name ever appeared in your research? Are there any other closely tied families that appear as baptismal sponsors for the Otto, Spier/Speyer, Menke children? Did you check the church burial record for Lissetta Otto or Elisabeth Spier/Speyer? That's all for now - but hopefully you have a few strong leads to follow up on. Bob Behnen Kirksville, MO
Date: 2008/01/09 20:05:14
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>
Sandy Cooper schrieb:
Good Morning Armin,Wow! Each day just keeps gets better and better. Thanks for all your help. I am trying to take this all in and collect my thoughts before I go forward. I do not want to do something wrong and shut a door to my family search. I do have some questions if you have the time? If you dont have the time, I am still grateful for all your help. (Please dont laugh.) First, how would I write the town, county, state, and country my family is from?
Town: Dögerode (o with Umlauts)County: at that time "Altes Amt Westerhof", today it belongs to the county "Kreis Northeim"
State: Hannover, today Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony) Country: Preußen (Prussia), today Deutschland (Germany)
(2) Is the town so small that they wont have records?
Yes, the town is very small. Dögerode belongs to the parish of Kalefeld The Church records of Kalefeld started in 1641.
(3) Should I write to Herr Peter?As I wrote in my last mail Mr. Peter Mutschall is the contact person for the Heimatverein.
Peter is the first name Mutschall is the surname
(4) What does "Herr" mean?
Herr means Mister > (5) if so, with his address would I put Germany? yes
(6) Can you refer me to a web-site that will show me how to write a letter?
here are some sample letters <http://www.genealogy.net/misc/letters/>all other questions should be answered within the FAQ for the news group soc.genealogy.germen
<http://www.genealogienetz.de/faqs/sgg-faq.html> hope this will be a little help Greetings from Germany Heinz -- Niedersachse by nature
Date: 2008/01/09 23:00:48
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>
Dear Anke,
Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.
I have information that takes me bak several generations here in the united states. The 1880 cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with childern all of the childern were born here the oldest son was henery who looks to be born here in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and Elizabeth got here some where before that. On the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was also born in prussia in about 1828 the name hannover has come up a lot with them so hopefully this will help to. I have not been able to find them yet on any imagration lists but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet.
Thanks for yur help
Deborah Ramsey
"Anke E. Waldmann" <anke(a)die-waldmanns.de> wrote:
Hi Deborah,
Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia -
especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve,
too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.
I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
county of Osnabrück.
Anke Waldmann
www.die-waldmanns.de
www.grambergen.de
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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
From: D Ramsey
Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
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If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name
Thank you
Deborah Ramsey
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Date: 2008/01/09 23:52:04
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Deborah,I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household.
1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent.
Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the 1890 and 1891 City Directories for Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory.
I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
Dear Anke,Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.I have information that takes me bak several generations here in the united states. The 1880 cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with childern all of the childern were born here the oldest son was henery who looks to be born here in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and Elizabeth got here some where before that. On the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was also born in prussia in about 1828 the name hannover has come up a lot with them so hopefully this will help to. I have not been able to find them yet on any imagration lists but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet.Thanks for yur help Deborah Ramsey "Anke E. Waldmann" <anke(a)die-waldmanns.de> wrote: Hi Deborah, Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia - especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve, too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for. I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen, county of Osnabrück. Anke Waldmann www.die-waldmanns.de www.grambergen.de ______ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST) From: D Ramsey Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe. Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name Thank you Deborah Ramsey ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ---------------------------------Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/10 00:28:42
From: D Ramsey <ramseys_little_monster(a)yahoo.com>
Joel,
I have this and I have Edward back to the 1850 census I think thiose are his brothers.so I think he ot here to the U.S. shortly before the 1850 census I can't find him in the 1840 but thats where I get stuck finding him before that.I'm pretty sure he left from the doc's of Bermen. But I'm not sure I need to check out Ellis yet I'm just plum stuck here right now.
Let me know if you find a new avenue I'll keep in touch with you.
Thank you
Deborah Ramsey
"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
Deborah,
I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the
Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household.
1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH
Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House
Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House
Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House
Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer
1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with
his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as
Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent.
Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the
1890 and 1891 City Directories for
Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory.
I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet.
Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
>Dear Anke,
>
> Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but
> with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy.
>
> I have information that takes me bak several
> generations here in the united states. The 1880
> cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that
> Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with
> childern all of the childern were born here the
> oldest son was henery who looks to be born here
> in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and
> Elizabeth got here some where before that. On
> the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born
> in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was
> also born in prussia in about 1828 the name
> hannover has come up a lot with them so
> hopefully this will help to. I have not been
> able to find them yet on any imagration lists
> but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet.
> Thanks for yur help
> Deborah Ramsey
>
>"Anke E. Waldmann" wrote:
>
>Hi Deborah,
>
>Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia -
>especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve,
>too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would
>be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for.
>
>I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,
>county of Osnabrück.
>
>Anke Waldmann
>
>www.die-waldmanns.de
>www.grambergen.de
>
>______
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST)
>From: D Ramsey
>Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover
>To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.
>Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name
>
>Thank you
>Deborah Ramsey
>
>
>
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Date: 2008/01/10 01:18:56
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Deborah,Ellis Island isn't going to help you. This was way before Ellis Island was used. You might check Castle Garden, but I personally think you have a better bet finding him coming in through Baltimore or maybe Boston. There was a pretty regular route from Bremen to Baltimore and then down to Cincinnati at that time.
Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 06:28 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote:
Joel,I have this and I have Edward back to the 1850 census I think thiose are his brothers.so I think he ot here to the U.S. shortly before the 1850 census I can't find him in the 1840 but thats where I get stuck finding him before that.I'm pretty sure he left from the doc's of Bermen. But I'm not sure I need to check out Ellis yet I'm just plum stuck here right now.Let me know if you find a new avenue I'll keep in touch with you. Thank you Deborah Ramsey "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote: Deborah, I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household. 1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer 1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent. Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the 1890 and 1891 City Directories for Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory. I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote: >Dear Anke, > > Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but > with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy. > > I have information that takes me bak several > generations here in the united states. The 1880 > cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that > Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with > childern all of the childern were born here the > oldest son was henery who looks to be born here > in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and > Elizabeth got here some where before that. On > the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born > in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was > also born in prussia in about 1828 the name > hannover has come up a lot with them so > hopefully this will help to. I have not been > able to find them yet on any imagration lists > but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet. > Thanks for yur help > Deborah Ramsey > >"Anke E. Waldmann" wrote: > >Hi Deborah, > >Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia - >especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve, >too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would >be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for. > >I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen, >county of Osnabrück. > >Anke Waldmann > >www.die-waldmanns.de >www.grambergen.de > >______ > >Message: 4 >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST) >From: D Ramsey >Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net >Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe. >Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name > >Thank you >Deborah Ramsey > > > >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > >--------------------------------- >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all >with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/10 01:22:58
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Date: 2008/01/10 10:47:36
From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? Keith Sturges >----Original Message---- >From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com >Date: 08/01/2008 22:03 >To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> >Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists > >Hello, > > > >Have tried the book - > > > >"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports", Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38 1988. > > > >My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records from American sources. > > > >There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the website handy, but a google search might help. > > > >Jim Danielsen > >Stoughton, WI >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > __________________________________________________ Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle
Date: 2008/01/10 11:59:47
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>
Just part of the answer, Herr = Mr. . A cashiers'check does not work,( it would cost the person receiving it between $ 15 and $30 dollars to process it and take up to 6 weeks) you would have to find out their international idem bank number if they have one (companys that do international business have them, small com. or private persons do not, with this nummber transactions only cost you a couple of dollars extra without it will cost you up to $ 25 extra in costs) It may be possible but it is a small possiblity to do it via a credit card but then again not many persons have credit cards here so it depends on the receiving end if they except them. As to the chance of them speaking english I would not count on it, even in many hotels in Germany they don't speak english , if you send a letter they usally can find someone who can translate it for them but calling on the phone, they most probablly would not understand you. Yes you would write Germany or Duitsland to the adress. Anna Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Cooper" <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Sievers in Dögerode Good Morning Armin, Wow! Each day just keeps gets better and better. Thanks for all your help. I am trying to take this all in and collect my thoughts before I go forward. I do not want to do something wrong and shut a door to my family search. I do have some questions if you have the time? If you dont have the time, I am still grateful for all your help. (Please dont laugh.) First, how would I write the town, county, state, and country my family is from? (2) Is the town so small that they wont have records? (3) Should I write to Herr Peter? (4) What does "Herr" mean? (5) if so, with his address would I put Germany? (6) Can you refer me to a web-site that will show me how to write a letter? I found some, but they look long and I have always heard if you find the ancestral town....keep it short. (7) Should I try to call ms. Edith Sievers??? What if she speaks only German? I only know Guten Tag. (I think.....it means Good Day??) You would think someone, such as myself, being over 89% German (As per a researcher in Texas,US) would know some German. I feel scared that I might say the wrong thing. On a side note: my 3 German Schnauzers are named Sigmund, Mozart and Einstein. ha ha ! Back to questions, (8) What is PFARRAMT mean? (9) How would I send a US money order or cashier check? Where there is a fee or just to make a donation to the church? I loved the website, and I saw the church at the top left. I think? It's just hard when you can't read German. But I will try to learn. Thanks for your help & sorry for taking up sooo much of your time with questions. Blessings and Joy sandy sievers cooper On Jan 9, 2008, at 2:59 AM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote: > Hi Sandy > > Ok i have been looking for the adress of the church in Dögerode. > First i > tried to see the homepage of this very little town. They have only a > population > of 166 persons. But they have a church you may see it on that > homepage and > they have a Heimatverein, well thats someone who is doing > researches in the past > of the town. Maybe he can help you too. You see his adress too on > that > homepage. > > _http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp_ > (http://www.kalefeld.de/ortschaften/doegerode.asp) > > Here you see all about that little town and you see a picture from the > church. Today Dögerode is part of Kalefeld. > > > Heimatverein Dögerode Herr Peter Mutschall Auetalstr. 67 > 37589 Kalefeld > > This is the adress of the Heimatverein unfortunately no phone number > in the > phonebook in Kalefeld. > > > Well i have been checking the German phonebook. God bless Germany we > dont > have to pay to see the entrys like you in America. > > There is a Sievers family living in Kalefeld! Perhaps they know > something? > Shell i call them? > > > > Sievers Edith u. Detlef > > Adresse > Oberer Heukamp 9 > 37589 Kalefeld / Westerhof Telefon > 05553 17 70 > > Maybe they hang up when you call them, cause they think its a bad > joke, > maybe they are pleased. Its a 50:50 chance. > > You can see Dögerode using GOOGLE EARTH then you can see the > hometown of > your ancestor from satellite. I have done it to verify if they have > two churches > or only one i am not sure i think i have seen only one from above > the roofs > look all similar. > > AND FINALLY this is the homepage were you find the adress of the > PFARRAMT > with email adress were you can put in your request: > > _http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp_ > (http://www.kalefeld.de/kultur_freizeit_sport/kirchen.asp) > > _Ev.-luth. Kirchengemeinde Kalefeld_ (http://www.kirche-altesamt.de/) > mit den Ortschaften Kalefeld, Dögerode, Sebexen > Pastor Rolf Wulkop, Grabenstr. 12, 37589 Kalefeld > Telefon: 05553 / 7 65, Telefax: 05553 / 99 53 29 > E-Mail: _Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de_ (mailto:Pfarramt-Kalefeld(a)web.de) > > So i think its time to write the letter and send it to the email > adress you > are only one klick away from your family history. > > Have a fine day > > Armin > > P.S. The plumber needed only 2 hours so i have a little time lol. > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/10 15:05:56
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
High Keith, http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html May be your ancestor was a sugar baker, than please look at the link. There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya. Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? Keith Sturges----Original Message---- From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com Date: 08/01/2008 22:03 To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists Hello, Have tried the book - "Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38 1988.My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping recordsfrom American sources.There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have thewebsite handy, but a google search might help.Jim Danielsen Stoughton, WI ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l__________________________________________________Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/10 15:13:30
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
Are the Bremen to Baltimore passenger records online anywhere? Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel S. Russell To: Hannover-L Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover Deborah, Ellis Island isn't going to help you. This was way before Ellis Island was used. You might check Castle Garden, but I personally think you have a better bet finding him coming in through Baltimore or maybe Boston. There was a pretty regular route from Bremen to Baltimore and then down to Cincinnati at that time. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 06:28 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote: >Joel, > > I have this and I have Edward back to the > 1850 census I think thiose are his brothers.so > I think he ot here to the U.S. shortly before > the 1850 census I can't find him in the 1840 > but thats where I get stuck finding him before > that.I'm pretty sure he left from the doc's of > Bermen. But I'm not sure I need to check out > Ellis yet I'm just plum stuck here right now. > Let me know if you find a new avenue I'll keep in touch with you. > > Thank you > Deborah Ramsey > >"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > Deborah, > >I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the >Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household. > >1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH >Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House >Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House >Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House >Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer > >1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with >his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as >Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent. > >Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the >1890 and 1891 City Directories for >Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory. > >I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet. > >Joel >http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > >At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote: > >Dear Anke, > > > > Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but > > with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy. > > > > I have information that takes me bak several > > generations here in the united states. The 1880 > > cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that > > Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with > > childern all of the childern were born here the > > oldest son was henery who looks to be born here > > in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and > > Elizabeth got here some where before that. On > > the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born > > in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was > > also born in prussia in about 1828 the name > > hannover has come up a lot with them so > > hopefully this will help to. I have not been > > able to find them yet on any imagration lists > > but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet. > > Thanks for yur help > > Deborah Ramsey > > > >"Anke E. Waldmann" wrote: > > > >Hi Deborah, > > > >Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia - > >especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve, > >too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would > >be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for. > > > >I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen, > >county of Osnabrück. > > > >Anke Waldmann > > > >www.die-waldmanns.de > >www.grambergen.de > > > >______ > > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST) > >From: D Ramsey > >Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover > >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > >Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > >If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe. > >Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name > > > >Thank you > >Deborah Ramsey > > > > > > > >______________________________________________ > > > >Hannover-L mailing list > >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all > >with Yahoo! 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Date: 2008/01/10 15:58:43
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Maureen,I know that many of them (I'm not sure how complete) are online at Ancestry. I don't know if they are anywhere else.
Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 09:13 AM 1/10/2008, you wrote:
Are the Bremen to Baltimore passenger records online anywhere? Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel S. Russell To: Hannover-L Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Greiwe in Hanover Deborah, Ellis Island isn't going to help you. This was way before Ellis Island was used. You might check Castle Garden, but I personally think you have a better bet finding him coming in through Baltimore or maybe Boston. There was a pretty regular route from Bremen to Baltimore and then down to Cincinnati at that time. Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ At 06:28 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote: >Joel, > > I have this and I have Edward back to the > 1850 census I think thiose are his brothers.so > I think he ot here to the U.S. shortly before > the 1850 census I can't find him in the 1840 > but thats where I get stuck finding him before > that.I'm pretty sure he left from the doc's of > Bermen. But I'm not sure I need to check out > Ellis yet I'm just plum stuck here right now. > Let me know if you find a new avenue I'll keep in touch with you. > > Thank you > Deborah Ramsey > >"Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > Deborah, > >I can trace your Edward Griewe back through the >Federal Census to 1850 when he appears in the following household. > >1850 Federal Census: Cincinnati, Ward 9, Hamilton County, OH >Griewe, Henry, age 24, born Germany, Coffee House >Griewe, Adam, age 33, born Germany, Coffee House >Griewe, Edward, age 28, born Germany, Coffee House >Nilman, Martin, age 27, born Germany, Laborer > >1860, 1870, and 1880 all show Edward married with >his wife Elizabeth and his occupation is given as >Merchant Tailor. His birth year ranges from 1822 to 1824, very consistent. > >Edward H. Greiwe, merchant Tailor appears in the >1890 and 1891 City Directories for >Cincinnati. There are also several other Greiwe's in this directory. > >I did not find him in the 1900 Census yet. > >Joel >http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/ > > >At 05:00 PM 1/9/2008, you wrote: > >Dear Anke, > > > > Sorry it took so longto get back to you, but > > with the holidays and all I've been up to my eye balls busy. > > > > I have information that takes me bak several > > generations here in the united states. The 1880 > > cencus here in Cincinnati, Ohio says that > > Edward Greiwe and Elizabeth where here with > > childern all of the childern were born here the > > oldest son was henery who looks to be born here > > in about 1853 so It looks like Edward and > > Elizabeth got here some where before that. On > > the cencus of 1880 it says that Edward was born > > in Prussia and at about 1822 And Elizabeth was > > also born in prussia in about 1828 the name > > hannover has come up a lot with them so > > hopefully this will help to. I have not been > > able to find them yet on any imagration lists > > but I'm sure it's there I'm just not finding them yet. > > Thanks for yur help > > Deborah Ramsey > > > >"Anke E. Waldmann" wrote: > > > >Hi Deborah, > >> >Greiwe is not really a rare name in the area of Osnabrück and Westfalia - > >especially if you look for different spellings like Greive, Grewe and Greve, > >too and if your ment the Kingdom of Hannover and not only the city. It would> >be helpful if you could specify what your're looking for. > >> >I have dates about a Greiwe family of Grambergen, parish of Schledehausen,> >county of Osnabrück. > > > >Anke Waldmann > > > >www.die-waldmanns.de > >www.grambergen.de > > > >______ > > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:11:37 -0800 (PST) > >From: D Ramsey > >Subject: [HN] looking for Greiwes in hannover > >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > >Message-ID: <469565.88438.qm(a)web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >> >If you could help I am looking for family on hannover by the name of Greiwe.> >Please let me know if you have crossed paths with anyone with this name > > > >Thank you > >Deborah Ramsey > > > > > > > >______________________________________________ > > > >Hannover-L mailing list > >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all > >with Yahoo! 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Date: 2008/01/10 17:25:58
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
Auf Wunsch des Absenders weitergeleitet. ---Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- From: "Rudolf Dietmann" <r.dietmann(a)gmx.de> To: "NLF" <nlf(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [NLF] Service FamilySearch de commande de microfilms - Home Page Hallo, Liebe Vereinsmitglieder! Über diesen Link könnt Ihr ab sofort Filme in den Forschungsstellen der "Mormonen" online bestellen. http://films.familysearch.org/ Ich weiß, dass viele von Euch regelmäßig die Forschungsstelle Hannover besuchen, um dort Filme zu lesen. Darf ich darum bitten, diese wichtige Information auch an andere Listen weiterzugeben? Vielen Dank dafür!!! Herzliche Grüße, Rudolf ------
Date: 2008/01/10 18:15:44
From: Rena McCarthy <rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net>
Hi Keith,I see you have already done some research on the Klinkers in Eitzendorf via the IGI route.
As most of the Immigrant passenger lists to Britain were only kept for 10 years, there are only a few overlooked records in the archives. This leaflet on the government website, nationalarchives.gov.uk explains how to find the few remaining records:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=106
From the names already published on the above site, there were no Klinkers
serving in the Hannover Army nor applying for British Citizenship.You didn't state which town your immigrant settled in, nor if they were married before they migrated, but on the above site it can be seen that there were Klinkers living in London in the 20th century and there are several Ev.Lutheran church books for that place settled in existence. These b.m.d records often give towns of immigrants origins:- The Anglo German Family History Society Len metzner's list: http://www.art-science.com/agfhs/len.html
Without direct documental proof we have to do a bit of lateral thinking. We can often work out birth month/years from ages given on marriage/death certificates and any age difference on UK census which were usually taken between the months of March to June. This is a boon when trying to decide which of several babies with the same name is our direct ancestor. Plus we can make an educated guess that the regular naming pattern was used and the 1st son and 2nd daughter will have their paternal grandparents names, etc.
During food shortages and war in particular areas many villages and towns had large exoduses for pastures new and from my own research found members of my family moved to Australia, America and England in the same time span. It is also noticeable that family members from younger generations or neighbours in the old homeland often migrated decades later to settle near a sponsor so it could be that this male applicant for UK citizenship might be Sarah's nephew:-
Hoepfner, Frederich William, from Germany. Resident in London. Certificate A3834 issued 2 January 1883.
On the German archive site: http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/ there are no online migrants to the UK but I see that Hoepfner families left Uelzen in the 1850's and left Schöningen in the 1871
and on the same website Klinkers migrated from Affinghausen in 1866 and then Eitzendorf in the 1880's.
The AA autoroute doesn't recognise any of the above places so I couldn't see how many miles distance they are.
Unfortunately I couldn't access early census to see if there were any German lodgers/relatives living with the Klinkers. From the IGI, I see in the 1881 census that there was a Hannoverian "Reuter" lodger. Was he given the Klinker address by a relative or friend from a nearby village back in the old homeland?
Good luck, Rena in Lancashire == From: "ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk" <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk> My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?Keith Sturges
Date: 2008/01/10 20:59:13
From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
Thanks, Bernd. Yes, the Diedrich Klinker in the Sugarbaker's database is my g.g. grandfather. That's where I first found him. I've put together details of all the Klinker family from him to the present day. What I can't do is find any links in Germany. He came to England from Hoya in the early 1850s. His father was also called Diedrich Klinker and was born Hannover area around 1800. I have details of other Klinker families in and around that area but can't find any link between them and Diedrich. Regards, Keith Sturges >----Original Message---- >From: salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net >Date: 10/01/2008 14:10 >To: "Hannover-L"<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Subj: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists > >High Keith, > >http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html > >May be your ancestor was a sugar baker, than please look at the link. >There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya. > >Bernd > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk> >To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM >Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists > > >> My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to >> England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at >> Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would >> have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, >> might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far >> as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? >> >> Keith Sturges >> >> >>>----Original Message---- >>>From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com >>>Date: 08/01/2008 22:03 >>>To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> >>>Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >>>Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>>Have tried the book - >>> >>> >>> >>>"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports", >> Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and >> William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, >> copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184. G3G38 >> 1988. >>> >>> >>> >>>My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records >> from American sources. >>> >>> >>> >>>There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the >> website handy, but a google search might help. >>> >>> >>> >>>Jim Danielsen >>> >>>Stoughton, WI >>>______________________________________________ >>> >>>Hannover-L mailing list >>>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >>>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit >> www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle >> >> ______________________________________________ >> >> Hannover-L mailing list >> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > __________________________________________________ Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle
Date: 2008/01/10 21:30:10
From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
Hi Rena, Thanks so much for your very detailed reply. I can trace every single descendant of Diedrich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner from the 1850s to the present day. I think they arrived in London early/mid 1850s and they married in 1861 although their first child was born 1859 so they were together before marrying. I don't know if they came together from Germany or met in London after coming here independently. Diedrich was born Hoya (nw of Hannover city) around 1834. His father was also called Diedrich and was a shoemaker born around 1800 in Hannover province but was shown as deceased on Diedrich junior's marriage cert in 1861. Catharina Hoepfner was born Gieboldehausen (sw of Hannover city ) around 1838. I have detailed maps of the Hoya area and have extensive details of all the Klinkers mentioned in the surrounding areas, including Eitzendorf, Holtum, Martfeld, Affinghausen and others. Some Klinker families I can even trace back to 1300s. What I can't do is link any of them to my Diedrich Klinker (my gg grandfather). There was another Klinker family headed by Albert Klinker that settled in Southwark, about two miles from Diedrich, at about the same time, I know the two families went to the same church, but I've never been able to establish whether there was any connection between the two families. Tracing family histories can be so frustrating. Thanks and regards, Keith Sturges ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk >----Original Message---- >From: rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net >Date: 10/01/2008 17:15 >To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists - KLINKER & Hoepfner > >Hi Keith, >I see you have already done some research on the Klinkers in Eitzendorf via >the IGI route. > >As most of the Immigrant passenger lists to Britain were only kept for 10 >years, there are only a few overlooked records in the archives. This >leaflet on the government website, nationalarchives.gov.uk explains how to >find the few remaining records: >http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp? sLeafletID=106 > >>From the names already published on the above site, there were no Klinkers >serving in the Hannover Army nor applying for British Citizenship. > >You didn't state which town your immigrant settled in, nor if they were >married before they migrated, but on the above site it can be seen that >there were Klinkers living in London in the 20th century and there are >several Ev.Lutheran church books for that place settled in existence. These >b.m.d records often give towns of immigrants origins:- >The Anglo German Family History Society Len metzner's list: >http://www.art-science.com/agfhs/len.html > >Without direct documental proof we have to do a bit of lateral thinking. >We can often work out birth month/years from ages given on marriage/death >certificates and any age difference on UK census which were usually taken >between the months of March to June. This is a boon when trying to decide >which of several babies with the same name is our direct ancestor. Plus we >can make an educated guess that the regular naming pattern was used and the >1st son and 2nd daughter will have their paternal grandparents names, etc. > >During food shortages and war in particular areas many villages and towns >had large exoduses for pastures new and from my own research found members >of my family moved to Australia, America and England in the same time span. >It is also noticeable that family members from younger generations or >neighbours in the old homeland often migrated decades later to settle near a >sponsor so it could be that this male applicant for UK citizenship might be >Sarah's nephew:- > >Hoepfner, Frederich William, from Germany. Resident in London. Certificate >A3834 issued 2 January 1883. > >On the German archive site: http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/ there are >no online migrants to the UK but I see that Hoepfner families left Uelzen >in the 1850's and left Schöningen in the 1871 > >and on the same website Klinkers migrated from Affinghausen in 1866 and then >Eitzendorf in the 1880's. > >The AA autoroute doesn't recognise any of the above places so I couldn't see >how many miles distance they are. > >Unfortunately I couldn't access early census to see if there were any German >lodgers/relatives living with the Klinkers. From the IGI, I see in the >1881 census that there was a Hannoverian "Reuter" lodger. Was he given the >Klinker address by a relative or friend from a nearby village back in the >old homeland? > >Good luck, >Rena in Lancashire >== >From: "ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk" <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk> >My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to >England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at >Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would >have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, >might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far >as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? >Keith Sturges > >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > __________________________________________________ Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle
Date: 2008/01/10 22:11:36
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
Hei Keith,You have to start with your research in Hoya. I believe he was born abt. 1830 in the Hoya Area. Also his father will not from the Hannover area but from the
Kingdom of Hannover. That will be a little different, It will be a good idea to become the membership of the FamNord list. and ask there for Klinker from Hoya. I´m sure someone will help you. Regards Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
Thanks, Bernd. Yes, the Diedrich Klinker in the Sugarbaker's database is my g.g. grandfather. That's where I first found him. I've put together details of all the Klinker family from him to the present day. What I can't do is find any links in Germany. He came to England from Hoya in the early 1850s. His father was also called Diedrich Klinker and was born Hannover area around 1800. I have details of other Klinker families in and around that area but can't find any link between them and Diedrich. Regards, Keith Sturges----Original Message---- From: salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net Date: 10/01/2008 14:10 To: "Hannover-L"<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subj: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists High Keith, http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html May be your ancestor was a sugar baker, than please look at thelink.There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya. Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger ListsMy ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, cametoEngland from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarkedatBremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. Youwouldhave thought that England, being the major maritime nation at thetime,might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but asfaras I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? Keith Sturges----Original Message---- From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com Date: 08/01/2008 22:03 To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists Hello, Have tried the book - "Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. GlazierandWilliam P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G381988.My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping recordsfrom American sources.There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have thewebsite handy, but a google search might help.Jim Danielsen Stoughton, WI ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l__________________________________________________ Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l__________________________________________________Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/10 22:17:49
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
I´ve to complete. Please go to genealogynet and ask gedbas and Foko. In both databases are Klinker for example in Schwarme and Bücken. Very close to Hoya. Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
Thanks, Bernd. Yes, the Diedrich Klinker in the Sugarbaker's database is my g.g. grandfather. That's where I first found him. I've put together details of all the Klinker family from him to the present day. What I can't do is find any links in Germany. He came to England from Hoya in the early 1850s. His father was also called Diedrich Klinker and was born Hannover area around 1800. I have details of other Klinker families in and around that area but can't find any link between them and Diedrich. Regards, Keith Sturges----Original Message---- From: salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net Date: 10/01/2008 14:10 To: "Hannover-L"<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subj: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists High Keith, http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html May be your ancestor was a sugar baker, than please look at thelink.There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya. Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger ListsMy ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, cametoEngland from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarkedatBremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. Youwouldhave thought that England, being the major maritime nation at thetime,might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but asfaras I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? Keith Sturges----Original Message---- From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com Date: 08/01/2008 22:03 To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists Hello, Have tried the book - "Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. GlazierandWilliam P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G381988.My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping recordsfrom American sources.There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have thewebsite handy, but a google search might help.Jim Danielsen Stoughton, WI ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l__________________________________________________ Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l__________________________________________________Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/10 22:51:35
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
Hi Keith I have the same problem. I am searching for a John Buckhorn from the Kingdom of Hannover. He came to UK between 1850 and 1860. I found him and his family in the British censuses but I know nothing about his time in Germany. I also was looking for passenger lists and I bet there are some but where? Would be helpful to get an sign from you when you find something. Thanks. Have a nice evening. Wolfgang (Buchhorn) Braunschweig Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht? Have you already visited my web page? www.wbuchhorn.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2008 10:46 An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Betreff: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? Keith Sturges
Date: 2008/01/10 23:01:58
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
Tolle Seite, Bernd. Habe auch meinen John Buckhorn gefunden. Leider keine neuen Informationen. Schönen Abend. Wolfgang (Buchhorn) Braunschweig Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht? Have you already visited my web page? www.wbuchhorn.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bernd Salewski Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2008 15:11 An: Hannover-L Betreff: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists High Keith, http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html May be your ancestor was a sugar baker, than please look at the link. There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya. Bernd ----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists > My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to > England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at > Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would > have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, > might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far > as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? > > Keith Sturges > > >>----Original Message---- >>From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com >>Date: 08/01/2008 22:03 >>To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> >>Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >>Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists >> >>Hello, >> >> >> >>Have tried the book - >> >> >> >>"Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports", > Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and > William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, > copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38 > 1988. >> >> >> >>My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping records > from American sources. >> >> >> >>There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have the > website handy, but a google search might help. >> >> >> >>Jim Danielsen >> >>Stoughton, WI >>______________________________________________ >> >>Hannover-L mailing list >>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >> > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit > www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/11 01:47:28
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Hello, Nara has online: Records for Passengers Who Arrived at the Port of New York During the Irish Famine, created, 1977 - 1989, documenting the period 1/12/1846 - 12/31/1851 .. Not all passengers listed are of Irish descent. Perhaps one might find German ancestor departing from an English/England Port to USA. Not positive but I think would be referenced as "Indirect Passage." May not be specific to your search but worth a look if all else fails. Warmest Regards, Barbie-Lew http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/ Number of resources to peruse here....various interests. If cannot get to Famine Lists by link below.. Try above link..or here.. http://aad.archives.gov/aad/ Famine Lists... http://aad.archives.gov/aad/series-list.jsp?cat=GP44 > From: wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:51:15 +0100> Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists> > Hi Keith> > I have the same problem. I am searching for a John Buckhorn from the Kingdom> of Hannover. He came to UK between 1850 and 1860. I found him and his family> in the British censuses but I know nothing about his time in Germany. I also> was looking for passenger lists and I bet there are some but where? Would be> helpful to get an sign from you when you find something. Thanks.> > Have a nice evening.> > Wolfgang (Buchhorn)> Braunschweig> > Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht?> Have you already visited my web page?> > www.wbuchhorn.de> > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von> ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2008 10:46> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Betreff: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists> > My ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to > England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at > Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would > have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, > might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far > as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know?> > Keith Sturges> > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008
Date: 2008/01/11 03:15:03
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
That's about right. It just wasn't that important. European peasants had no wall calendars. No one had a driver's license or a birth certificate. Parents died young and weren't around to answer "when was I born?" or "when did we come to America?" Immigrants were welcome and did their best to fit in, grateful to be here and hard at work whether on a job no American wanted or boiling up water over a nice fire for the laundry and chopping more wood for the cookstove! Parts of Germany experienced crop blights as bad as the Irish Famine in the 1840s. They put it all behind them, and bless them! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel S. Russell To: Hannover-L Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL) Hi Armin, I look forward to your challenge, once you've solved mine. <grin> In 1900 Elizabeth Speier is widowed, she states she came to the USA in 1849. In 1910 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1853. In 1920 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1845 and was naturalized in 1863. Kindest regards, Joel -----Original Message----- >From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 11:03 AM >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net >Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL) > >Hi Joel > >Not bad that challenge .... but i have a more horrible one .... but later on. > >I have found only Lizetta Otto nee Menke in the 1900 census. I see she is >telling the enumerator that she came in 1850 to the USA. Would be interesting to > see Elisabeth and Mr. Fredrick Speier in 1900, 1910 or 1920 so that we could >see the year of emmigration if she has the same idea about that year. But >looks like i am to stupid to find Ellisabeth and Frederick. Well ok will try it >tomorrow again. > >Armin > > > > >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/11 06:33:03
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi all together Meanwhile i am trying to find that Joels Menkes what is really an interesting hint with that Eberhard Heinrich Menke i will show you one of my difficult jobs at ancestry.com I try since about 2 years to find THEODOR HATTORFF in the shiplist. One thing is absolutely sure. He was no immigrant but he was a visitor for a baptism. He signed on November 4th 1890 the papers in Chicago IL. Theodore is born around 1818 and so he was about 72 years. His hometown in this year was probably Labuhn in Pommerania. But how did he get there? Taking a ship to Baltimore perhaps, or was he the second world record swimmer in our family? I have been searching the ship list up and down using misspellings as Theo* Todore and whatever, maybe i am too stupid to find him, it would be helpful if one of our routined ancestry searchers could keep an eye on this men. Have a fine weekend all together Armin
Date: 2008/01/11 13:28:41
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
I have surname Otto in my family..but I think these from olden Posen..then Washington County, Illinois. > From: mcshelly2(a)msn.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:14:15 -0600> Subject: [HN] Immigration Dates> > That's about right. It just wasn't that important. European peasants had no wall calendars. No one had a driver's license or a birth certificate. Parents died young and weren't around to answer "when was I born?" or "when did we come to America?"> > Immigrants were welcome and did their best to fit in, grateful to be here and hard at work whether on a job no American wanted or boiling up water over a nice fire for the laundry and chopping more wood for the cookstove! > > Parts of Germany experienced crop blights as bad as the Irish Famine in the 1840s. They put it all behind them, and bless them!> ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel S. Russell > To: Hannover-L > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:24 AM> Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)> > > Hi Armin,> > I look forward to your challenge, once you've solved mine. <grin>> > In 1900 Elizabeth Speier is widowed, she states she came to the USA in 1849.> In 1910 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1853.> In 1920 Elizabeth Speier states she came to the USA in 1845 and was naturalized in 1863.> > Kindest regards,> > Joel> > > > -----Original Message-----> >From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com> >Sent: Jan 9, 2008 11:03 AM> >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Subject: Re: [HN] Menke (JOEL)> >> >Hi Joel> > > >Not bad that challenge .... but i have a more horrible one .... but later on.> > > >I have found only Lizetta Otto nee Menke in the 1900 census. I see she is > >telling the enumerator that she came in 1850 to the USA. Would be interesting to > > see Elisabeth and Mr. Fredrick Speier in 1900, 1910 or 1920 so that we could > >see the year of emmigration if she has the same idea about that year. But > >looks like i am to stupid to find Ellisabeth and Frederick. Well ok will try it > >tomorrow again.> > > >Armin> >> >> >> > > >______________________________________________> >> >Hannover-L mailing list> >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l> > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l> ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008
Date: 2008/01/11 15:57:56
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
Hallo Wolfgang,Schreib doch mal an den Verfasser Brian M. ob er evtl. noch eine Idee hat. Brian
ist sehr hilöfsbereit Gruß Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Buchhorn" <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists
Tolle Seite, Bernd. Habe auch meinen John Buckhorn gefunden. Leider keine neuen Informationen. Schönen Abend. Wolfgang (Buchhorn) Braunschweig Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht? Have you already visited my web page? www.wbuchhorn.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bernd Salewski Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2008 15:11 An: Hannover-L Betreff: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists High Keith, http://home.clara.net/mawer/sugarkk.html May be your ancestor was a sugar baker, than please look at the link. There will be a Diedrich Klinker from Hoya. Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Bremen Passanger ListsMy ancestors, Diederich Klinker and Catharina Sarah Hoepfner, came to England from Hannover around the early 1850s and probably embarked at Bremen. I have not yet found any links to them in Germany. You would have thought that England, being the major maritime nation at the time, might have kept comprehensive passenger lists for arrivals, but as far as I am aware there are none. Does anyone know? Keith Sturges----Original Message---- From: JW_Danielsen(a)hotmail.com Date: 08/01/2008 22:03 To: <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>, <sandy4lsu(a)att.net> Cc: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subj: [HN] Bremen Passanger Lists Hello, Have tried the book - "Germans to America - List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports",Volume 13 (August 1859 - December 1860), edited by Ira A. Glazier and William P. Filby, Scholarly Resources, Inc., Wilmington, DE, copyrighted 1990, Library of Congress # 929.3'08931-dc19; # 184.G3G38 1988.My understanding is that it is a recreation of the shipping recordsfrom American sources.There is also records on the Ellis Island website. I don't have thewebsite handy, but a google search might help.Jim Danielsen Stoughton, WI ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l__________________________________________________ Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/11 16:59:33
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
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Date: 2008/01/11 17:14:00
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
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Date: 2008/01/11 17:47:49
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>
Hi Armin, Just a thought. What are common nicknames for Theodor in Germany? My great-grandmother's name was "Helene" and she is on the manifest as "Lina." That and the wrong spelling of the surname is what took so long for me to find her. Bobbi On Jan 11, 2008 12:32 AM, <AJHattorf(a)aol.com> wrote: > Hi all together > > Meanwhile i am trying to find that Joels Menkes what is really an > interesting hint with that Eberhard Heinrich Menke i will show you one of > my difficult > jobs at ancestry.com > > > I try since about 2 years to find THEODOR HATTORFF in the shiplist. One > thing is absolutely sure. > > He was no immigrant but he was a visitor for a baptism. He signed on > November 4th 1890 the papers in Chicago IL. Theodore is born around 1818 > and so he > was about 72 years. His hometown in this year was probably Labuhn in > Pommerania. > > But how did he get there? Taking a ship to Baltimore perhaps, or was he > the > second world record swimmer in our family? > > I have been searching the ship list up and down using misspellings as > Theo* > Todore and whatever, maybe i am too stupid to find him, it would be > helpful if > one of our routined ancestry searchers could keep an eye on this men. > > Have a fine weekend all together > > Armin > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
Date: 2008/01/11 18:39:05
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Date: 2008/01/11 19:01:44
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg * 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
im 79. Lebensjahre.
In stiller Trauer
Johann Cordes und Frau
Heinz Cordes und Frau
Enkel und Urenkel
Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
Harburger Straße 75
Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
Lindenstraße statt.
Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen geben ?
Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
Bärbel
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Date: 2008/01/11 19:16:42
From: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
Hallo Bärbel,
Test bestanden :-)
Viele Grüße
Michaela
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Date: 2008/01/11 19:24:20
From: Klaus Gevert <kgevert(a)web.de>
Hat geklappt.
Gruss, Klaus
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Date: 2008/01/11 19:25:25
From: Marion Reckewell <mahefri(a)htp-tel.de>
Mit feundlichen Grüßen Marion Reckewell
Date: 2008/01/11 19:26:21
From: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
Hallo Bärbel,
hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit Namen
und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch eine
Familie.
Viele Grüße
Michaela
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel Karberg
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg *
07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
im 79. Lebensjahre.
In stiller Trauer
Johann Cordes und Frau
Heinz Cordes und Frau
Enkel und Urenkel
Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
Harburger Straße 75
Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
Lindenstraße statt.
Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen geben
?
Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
Bärbel
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Date: 2008/01/11 20:07:00
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.
VG
Bärbel
----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Hallo Bärbel,
hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
Namen
und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
eine
Familie.
Viele Grüße
Michaela
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
Karberg
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
Karberg *
07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
im 79. Lebensjahre.
In stiller Trauer
Johann Cordes und Frau
Heinz Cordes und Frau
Enkel und Urenkel
Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
Harburger Straße 75
Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
Lindenstraße statt.
Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen
geben
?
Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
Bärbel
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Date: 2008/01/11 21:15:23
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Bobby The shortform for Theodor is usually Theo ..... but its possible that his full name was Theodor Franz Hattorff but i have also been looking for Franz ... without any success. Armin
Date: 2008/01/11 21:29:10
From: Rotraud Ilisch <post(a)rotraud-ilisch.de>
Hi Bobbi,in fact "Theo" is a very common short form for Theodor, but I have seen, that the name "Dietrick" Dierich" or "Dirk" was used for people who were baptized as Theodor. In the Rhine region "Dueres" is used as Nickname for Theodor too.
Rotraud
Hi Armin, Just a thought. What are common nicknames for Theodor in Germany? My great-grandmother's name was "Helene" and she is on the manifest as "Lina." That and the wrong spelling of the surname is what took so long for me to find her. Bobbi
Date: 2008/01/11 21:34:38
From: klaus . wrede <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>
Hallo Bärbel, wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de "Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km" dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum. Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im Umkreis von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja auch schon verstorben sein. Schönen Abend Klaus ----- Original Nachricht ---- Von: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Datum: 11.01.2008 20:03 Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes > Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende. > > VG > Bärbel > > ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ---- > Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de> > An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> > Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr > Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes > > Hallo Bärbel, > > hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im > Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit > Namen > und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch > eine > Familie. > > Viele Grüße > Michaela > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel > Karberg > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44 > An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes > > Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. > Karberg * > 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen. > > Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung > > "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute > unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma > > Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg > im 79. Lebensjahre. > > In stiller Trauer > > Johann Cordes und Frau > Heinz Cordes und Frau > Enkel und Urenkel > > Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975 > Harburger Straße 75 > > Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe- > bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle, > Lindenstraße statt. > > Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13 > > Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen > geben > ? > > Vielen Dank bereits im voraus. > > Bärbel > > > > > Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's: > http://de.yahoo.com/set > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > > > > > Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? > www.yahoo.de/mail > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > Viel oder wenig? Schnell oder langsam? Unbegrenzt surfen + telefonieren ohne Zeit- und Volumenbegrenzung? DAS TOP ANGEBOT FÜR ALLE NEUEINSTEIGER Jetzt bei Arcor: günstig und schnell mit DSL - das All-Inclusive-Paket für clevere Doppel-Sparer, nur 29,95 Euro inkl. DSL- und ISDN-Grundgebühr! http://www.arcor.de/rd/emf-dsl-2
Date: 2008/01/11 22:37:24
From: Dieter <go2dieter(a)comcast.net>
Hallo,bin neues Mitglied bei hannover-L. Habe die Cordes Diskussion verfolgt. Habe in meinem Stammbaum eine ...
Anne Cordes geb. 21 Jul 1866 in Mittelsdorf b. Stade ver. 14 Feb 1884 in Achim mit Johann Schwarmann aus Sagehorn b. Bremen gest. 20 Oct 1934 in Sagehorm. Passt diese Cordes bei Euch irgendwo hinein? Gruss Dieter Schwarmann (aus Kalifornien) =====================================----- Original Message ----- From: <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes Hallo Bärbel, wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de "Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km" dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im Umkreis von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja auch schon
verstorben sein. Schönen Abend Klaus ----- Original Nachricht ---- Von: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Datum: 11.01.2008 20:03 Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.
VG
Bärbel
----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Hallo Bärbel,
hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
Namen
und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
eine
Familie.
Viele Grüße
Michaela
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
Karberg
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
Karberg *
07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
"Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
im 79. Lebensjahre.
In stiller Trauer
Johann Cordes und Frau
Heinz Cordes und Frau
Enkel und Urenkel
Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
Harburger Straße 75
Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
Lindenstraße statt.
Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen
geben
?
Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
Bärbel
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Date: 2008/01/11 23:12:13
From: Dieter <go2dieter(a)comcast.net>
Hallo, habe eine neue Margarete Cordes bei mir gefunden geb. 15 Aug 1897 in unb. verh. in Achim mit Dietrich Schwarmann aus Sagehorn gest. 22 Nov 1962 in Sagehorn Sie hastte 3 Kinder ... Johann Schwarmann geb. 24 Feb 1932 in Sagehorn gest. 19 Dec 1994 in unb. Hermann Schwarmann geb. 25 Sep 1933 in Sagehorn gest. unb. Annegret Schwarmann geb. 17 Sep 1935 in Sagehorn gest. 22 Nov 1983 in unb. Passt diese Cordes bei Euch rein? Gruss, Dieter ===========================================----- Original Message ----- From: "Dieter" <go2dieter(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Anne Cordes
Hallo,bin neues Mitglied bei hannover-L. Habe die Cordes Diskussion verfolgt. Habe in meinem Stammbaum eine ...Anne Cordes geb. 21 Jul 1866 in Mittelsdorf b. Stade ver. 14 Feb 1884 in Achim mit Johann Schwarmann aus Sagehorn b. Bremen gest. 20 Oct 1934 in Sagehorm. Passt diese Cordes bei Euch irgendwo hinein? Gruss Dieter Schwarmann (aus Kalifornien) =====================================----- Original Message ----- From: <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes Hallo Bärbel, wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de "Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km" dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im Umkreis von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja auch schonverstorben sein. Schönen Abend Klaus ----- Original Nachricht ---- Von: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Datum: 11.01.2008 20:03 Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete CordesDanke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende. VG Bärbel ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ---- Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes Hallo Bärbel, hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit Namen und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch eine Familie. Viele Grüße Michaela -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel Karberg Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44 An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg * 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen. Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg im 79. Lebensjahre. In stiller Trauer Johann Cordes und Frau Heinz Cordes und Frau Enkel und Urenkel Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975 Harburger Straße 75 Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe- bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle, Lindenstraße statt. Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13 Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen geben ? Vielen Dank bereits im voraus. Bärbel Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's: http://de.yahoo.com/set ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l Heute schon einen Blick in die Zukunft von E-Mails wagen? www.yahoo.de/mail ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-lViel oder wenig? Schnell oder langsam? Unbegrenzt surfen + telefonieren ohne Zeit- und Volumenbegrenzung? DAS TOP ANGEBOT FÜR ALLE NEUEINSTEIGER Jetzt bei Arcor: günstig und schnell mit DSL - das All-Inclusive-Paketfür clevere Doppel-Sparer, nur 29,95 Euro inkl. DSL- und ISDN-Grundgebühr!http://www.arcor.de/rd/emf-dsl-2 ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/11 23:26:14
From: c roe <rangerroe(a)hotmail.com>
Searching for family history about Henry William Dunker born abt 10 June 1828 Hanover, Germany (family history says born in HesseKassel, Germany). Henry Dunker married Mary Martha Hooker on 30 March 1865 in Cairo, Alexander County, Illinois USA. 1870 US Census, Henry Dunker is a carpenter born in Hanover, age 44. His wife Martha is age 33, place of birth Hesse Castle, Germany. They are living in Cairo, IL with three children: Dora 4, William 2, Henry 1. Henry Dunker died 18 September 1892, Cairo, IL In-Line-of-Duty Policeman. According to family it is believed that Henry Dunker came alone to Cairo, IL. He was a skilled carpenter and did the woodwork and staircase in a local mansion. Later he became a policeman. Family says that Henry Dunker and Martha Hooker knew each other in Germany and that both were born in Hesse-Kassel, Germany. Family says the Dunkers were originally German Lutherans. Henry Dunker was naturalized as a citizen 1 November 1862, Cairo, IL. Do not know who his parents were, any siblings, or the year of his immigration. Thanks for any assistance. Barbara [Note: There is a Henry Dunker, age 22, occupation joiner (carpenter) listed as a passenger on the Ship Antelope, Depart Bremen, Germany, Arrive New Orleans, Louisiana on 5 Nov 1849 or Depart 7 Sep Arrive 31 Oct 1849. Other members, William Dunker 51, Mary Dunker 51, William Dunker 25, Hanna Dunker 17, Mina Dunker 15. Do not know if this is his family.] _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008
Date: 2008/01/11 23:56:34
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>
Hallo Bärbel, da wurde ich doch fündig auf meiner alten Telefonbuch-CD (1996 !!): Johann Cordes, Harburger Str. 75, Tel. 04261/5436 Auf der 2007er-CD steht unter der Adresse: Wessels, Gerd, Tel. 04261/961921 Vielleicht hat er in die Familie geheiratet oder er kann sagen, wo die Kinder/Enkel der Auguste geblieben sind. In Rotenburg habe ich die Heinz Cordes nicht gefunden, aber in Kirch- bzw. Westerwalsede, dann aber auch welche aus Zeven, Elsdorf usw. Falls bei dem Heinz noch ähnliche Infos wie oben bei Johann haben möchtest, dann Info an mich. Viele Grüße Günter Günter Bassen Westend 6 27419 Klein Meckelsen Suche in Deutschland: Bassen, Jagels Suche in Lerbach (Osterode a. H.): Oppermann OFB Rotenburg online: http://www.online-ofb.de/rotenburg/ Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden" http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/ ----- Original Nachricht ---- Von: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Datum: 11.01.2008 18:44 Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes > Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. Karberg * > 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen. > > Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung > > "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute > unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma > > Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg > im 79. Lebensjahre. > > In stiller Trauer > > Johann Cordes und Frau > Heinz Cordes und Frau > Enkel und Urenkel > > Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975 > Harburger Straße 75 > > Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe- > bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle, > Lindenstraße statt. > > Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13 > > Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen geben > ? > > Vielen Dank bereits im voraus. > > Bärbel > > > > > Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's: > http://de.yahoo.com/set > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > Viel oder wenig? Schnell oder langsam? Unbegrenzt surfen + telefonieren ohne Zeit- und Volumenbegrenzung? DAS TOP ANGEBOT FÜR ALLE NEUEINSTEIGER Jetzt bei Arcor: günstig und schnell mit DSL - das All-Inclusive-Paket für clevere Doppel-Sparer, nur 29,95 Euro inkl. DSL- und ISDN-Grundgebühr! http://www.arcor.de/rd/emf-dsl-2
Date: 2008/01/12 00:31:49
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
Hallo Guenther,
nett sich hier wieder zu treffen.
Was sagt mir das. Wahrscheinlich hat bis 1996 der Sohn, Steifsohn? unter der Adresse gewohnt.
Die Idee, bei dem Herrn Wessels anzurufen ist gut, hätte von mir stammen können.
Ich denke mal, jetzt bin ich so weit, jetzt kann es nur noch weiter nach vorne gehen.
Ich berichte mal, ob mir Herr Wessels etwas erzählen konnte.
Ich bekomme es auch noch fertig, und rufe unter der alten Ruf-Nr. von Johann Cordes an.
Viele Grüße
Bärbel
----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
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An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 23:56:26 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Hallo Bärbel,
da wurde ich doch fündig auf meiner alten Telefonbuch-CD (1996 !!):
Johann Cordes, Harburger Str. 75, Tel. 04261/5436
Auf der 2007er-CD steht unter der Adresse:
Wessels, Gerd, Tel. 04261/961921
Vielleicht hat er in die Familie geheiratet oder er kann sagen, wo die
Kinder/Enkel der Auguste geblieben sind.
In Rotenburg habe ich die Heinz Cordes nicht gefunden, aber in Kirch-
bzw. Westerwalsede, dann aber auch welche aus Zeven, Elsdorf usw.
Falls bei dem Heinz noch ähnliche Infos wie oben bei Johann haben
möchtest, dann Info an mich.
Viele Grüße Günter
Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen
Suche in Deutschland: Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Lerbach (Osterode a. H.): Oppermann
OFB Rotenburg online: http://www.online-ofb.de/rotenburg/
Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/
----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Datum: 11.01.2008 18:44
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
Karberg *
> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
>
> Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
>
> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
> unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
>
> Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
> im 79. Lebensjahre.
>
> In stiller Trauer
>
> Johann Cordes und Frau
> Heinz Cordes und Frau
> Enkel und Urenkel
>
> Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
> Harburger Straße 75
>
> Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
> bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
> Lindenstraße statt.
>
> Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
>
> Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren
Informationen geben
> ?
>
> Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
>
> Bärbel
>
>
>
>
> Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's:
> http://de.yahoo.com/set
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>
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> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
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Date: 2008/01/12 06:06:26
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>
Thanks. On Jan 11, 2008 3:23 PM, Rotraud Ilisch <post(a)rotraud-ilisch.de> wrote: > Hi Bobbi, > in fact "Theo" is a very common short form for Theodor, but I have seen, > that the name "Dietrick" Dierich" or "Dirk" was used for people who were > baptized as Theodor. In the Rhine region "Dueres" is used as Nickname > for Theodor too. > Rotraud > >
Date: 2008/01/12 08:45:40
From: Manfred <Manfred.Puffahrt(a)t-online.de>
Guten Morgen, im Taufbuch von Hitzacker steht: Johann Christian Röhrs ( später Schneider in Tiessau ) * am 27.4.1768 in Spölkenwerder ( ehemalige Elbinsel bei Tiessau ) Sohn des Hans Heinrich Röhrs und der Catharine Margarethe geb. Wacker Mit freundlichen Grüßen Manfred puffahrt
Date: 2008/01/12 09:43:01
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>
Landeszeitung LÜNEBURG vom 11.01.2008: "Das Epitaph des Lüneburger Bürgermeisters Heinrich Witzendorff (1551-1617) ist Thema eines Artikels von Dr. Hans-Cord Sarnighausen in Heft 177 der "Lauenburgischen Heimat"" Übersendet zur Kenntnisnahme von Klaus (Riecken) www.Riecken-online.de
Date: 2008/01/12 19:22:28
From: Robert van der Hall <rvdhall(a)xs4all.nl>
Liebe Mitforscher,
Alle guten Wünsche für 2008 und wir hoffen das Sie alle Information finden
können, die wir schon lange suchen.
Wir sind drei Holländer, die schon längere Zeit auf der Suche sind nach
unseren Ureltern und deren unterschiedliche Verknüpfung (Ahnenforschung).
Wir hoffen das wir in 2008 Antworten finden auf unsere letzten Fragen. Wir
möchten Sie gerne fragen, ob es möglich ist, in Ihren Dateien und Dokumenten
zu suchen. Vielleicht haben Sie die Informationen verfügbar, die wir schon
lange suchen.
Als gute Holländer haben wir natürlich auch etwas schönes für Sie, wenn Sie
uns eine von unseren 4 Fragen am Ende dieser Geschichte beantworten
können.......Holländischen Käse, wie Sie noch niemals probiert haben!
Unsere interessante Geschichte ist wie folgt:
Johan Spaen und Elisabeth Cammers bekommen in Olfen 1650 drei Kinder:
- Joannes Henricus, "Johan"
- Bernardus Theodorus, "Berndt Diderick"
- Joachimy Fridericy, "Joachim"
Vielleicht gibt es auch noch ältere Kinder, aber das haben wir nicht finden
können, da erst ab 1650 Geburtsregistration verpflichtet war durch den
Bischof. Wir suchen noch immer den Geburtsort von Johan Spaen und Elisabeth.
Wahrscheinlich ist es Herbern, weil es dort ab 1650 sehr viele Spahnen gibt.
Vielleicht sind es Kriegs- oder Pestfluechtlinge, die von dem Nachbarort
Olfen immer Kontakt mit Herbern/Ascheberg hatten. Es ist wahrscheinlich
nicht zufällig das Berndt Diderick (aus Olfen) in Ascheberg heiratet und
nicht wieder zurückgeht nach Olfen.
Ascheberg und Herbern sind geografisch nah beieinander und die Höfe wo die
Leute gewohnt haben, liegen irgendwo dazwischen.
Deswegen meinen wir (nicht festgestellt) das der Johan Spaen aus Herbern
kommt.
Und jetzt Information bezüglich Herman Spaen. Er ist über verschiedene Wege
mit ober genannten Personen verwandt.
1. Über den Familiennamen Hörnekop:
Herman Spaen heiratet in Herbern Clara Hörnekop (1667)
Berndt Diderick heiratet 1680 in Ascheberg und Johan Hörnekop war Trauzeuge.
Johan Hörnekop ist in Herbern 1687 auch Taufpate beim der Geburt von
Elisabeth, eine Tochter von Herman und Clara.
2. Über die schon genannte Elisabeth, eine Tochter von Herman:
Als Elisabeth Spaen, geheiratet mit Vollmer, ist sie in Ascheberg zweimal
Taufpatin bei der Taufe von zwei Kleinkindern von Berndt Diderick:
- 1726 Aschenberg Catharina Elisabeth Spaen
- 1732 Aschenberg Maria Elisabeth Spaen
3.In Olfen ist 1688 ein Herman Spaen Taufpate bei der Taufe von Sybilla
Gertrudis Spaen, Tochter von Johan Spaen (vermutlich heißt er in anderen
Dokumenten Joannes Henricus).
Herman Spaen ist vermutlich verwandt mit Johan/Elisabeth und den drei
Kindern. Wie sie genau miteinander verwandt sind ist nicht klar; vorläufig
denken wir, das es mit einem älteren Sohn von Johan und Elisabeth
zusammenhängt, aber es kann auch weiter zurück in der Zeit liegen. Die
Geburtstage von Johan und Elisabeth und den vermutlichen Hochzeitstag haben
wir zur Zeit nur vermuten, festgelegt an Hermans vermutliche Herkunft.
Unsere 4 Käse Fragen lauten wie folgt:
1) Sind Johan Spaen und Elisabeth Cammers die in Olfen drei Kindern taufen
lassen:
- Joannes Henricus 11.4.1651 (Johan)
- Bernardus Theodorus 20.6.1655 (Berndt Diderick)
- Joachimy Fridericy 6.3.1661 (Joachim)
die Eltern von Herman Spaen, der am 30.1.1667 in Herbern Clara Hörnekop
heiratet ?
2) Was ist der Geburtsort und -Datum von Johan Spaen und Elisabeth Cammers ?
3) Wann und wo haben sie geheiratet ?
4) Was sind die Geburtstage und -Orte von Herman Spaen und Clara Hörnekop ?
Wir danken Ihnen jedenfalls für Ihre Unterstützung und wünschen Ihnen
nohmals ein schönes 2008!
Mit freundlichem Gruß,
Hans Spaan
Robert van der Hall
Robert Heerekop
(aus Holland)
Date: 2008/01/12 19:53:48
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
Vielen Dank noch einmal an Euch. Ich habe des Rätsels Lösung heute gefunden, und mit der Enkelin und dem Stiefsohn telefoniert. Ich kann mich nur noch nicht so richtig darüber freuen, weil ich beim Gespräch etwas sehr schlimmes erfahren habe. Ich muss den Schock erst einmal verdauen.
Viele Grüße
Bärbel
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An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 21:33:34 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Hallo Bärbel,
wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de
"Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km"
dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.
Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im
Umkreis
von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja
auch schon
verstorben sein.
Schönen Abend
Klaus
----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: 11.01.2008 20:03
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
> Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.
>
> VG
> Bärbel
>
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
> Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>
> Hallo Bärbel,
>
> hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
> Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
> Namen
> und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
> eine
> Familie.
>
> Viele Grüße
> Michaela
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
> Karberg
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>
> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
> Karberg *
> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
>
> Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
>
> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
> unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
>
> Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
> im 79. Lebensjahre.
>
> In stiller Trauer
>
> Johann Cordes und Frau
> Heinz Cordes und Frau
> Enkel und Urenkel
>
> Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
> Harburger Straße 75
>
> Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
> bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
> Lindenstraße statt.
>
> Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
>
> Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren
Informationen
> geben
> ?
>
> Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
>
> Bärbel
>
>
>
>
> Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. Los geht's:
> http://de.yahoo.com/set
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>
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>
>
>
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Date: 2008/01/12 21:22:12
From: kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net <kidolly(a)hawaiiantel.net>
Aloha aus Hawaii! Ich suche Frerderick Roehrs (geb 1904) und Elizabeth nee Hahn (geb 1803), geheiratet ungefaehr 1820 in Hannover, wo weiss ich nicht. Der aelteste Sohn war Johann Hermann Roehrs (geb 1821). Drei Kinder waren in Deutschland geboren: Friedrich (1846), Mary (1848) und Heinrich Johann (1853). Die Familie ist zwischen 1853-1855 nach Ohio in Amerika auggewandert. Ich bin dankbar fuer Hilfe.
Date: 2008/01/13 15:52:39
From: Walter Schlesinger <WSchlesinger(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Listenteilnehmer, wer kann mir weiterhelfen bei der Suche von Daten zu JOHANN HEINRICH ALBERT HÜNEKE (HÜNKE) und seinen Eltern. * um 1810 in Kampsheide bei 27330 Asendorf + vor 1852 Mit den besten Grüßen aus Bremen. Walter ( Schlesinger )
Date: 2008/01/13 16:16:49
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>
Walter, I have a number of Huenke/Hunke/Huneke/Huneken relatives going back to the mid 1700's in Schlangen, and Haustenbeck. My great X 4 grandmother was Florentia Huneken/Huneke, born 5-21-1764 in Schlangen. Have a nice day and smile, Jill I am currently researching: Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez, Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Freese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindt worth, Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leimenkuhl er, Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalski, Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Springhorn, Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistinghause n,Wolers, Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
Date: 2008/01/13 17:08:49
From: kaba <kaba_rose(a)yahoo.com>
Hallo zusammen ~~ im Oktober letzten Jahres hatte mir Holger Bremer angeboten für mich im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover nach einem Ahnen zu schaun. Auf dieses Angebot möchte ich nun zurück kommen und Sie bitten dort nach einem Geburts/Taufeintrag von Johann Andreas Justus BETHE/BETE geb.02 Juli 1831 in Löwenhagen zu recherchieren. Seine Eltern sind Johann Ludwig BETHE und Friederike LUTIN zu Löwenhagen.
Jegliche Information kann uns weiterhelfen und wird dankend entgegen genommen.
Hat sonst einer von Euch diesen Namen in der AL?
MfG auf Florida, Birgit Rose
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Date: 2008/01/13 23:25:09
From: Helga Bohlmann <bohlfrau(a)t-online.de>
Guten Abend,mein Name ist Helga Bohlmann. Nachdem ich schon eine Menge übermeine mütterlichen Vorfahren heraus bekommen habe, möchte ich jetzt mehr über die Familie meines Vaters in Erfahrung bringen. Hat jeman aus der Liste Zugriff auf Adressbücher von Hannover aus den Jahren 1890 und 1922? Ich suche nach den Namen
ADERS und SEELING. Über jede Antwort freue ich mich. Noch einen schönen Abend wünscht Helga (Bohlmann)
Date: 2008/01/14 09:45:38
From: Walter Schlesinger <WSchlesinger(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Jill, Deine Vorfahren lebten zu weit von meinen Vohrfahren entfernt ( ca. 200 km ). Liebe Grüße Walter <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com> schrieb: > Walter, I have a number of Huenke/Hunke/Huneke/Huneken relatives going back > to the mid 1700's in Schlangen, and Haustenbeck. My great X 4 grandmother > was Florentia Huneken/Huneke, born 5-21-1764 in Schlangen. > > Have a nice day and smile, Jill > > I am currently researching: > Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez, > Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Freese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindt > worth, > Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leimenkuhl > er, > Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalski, > Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Springhorn, > Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistinghause > n,Wolers, > Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > >
Date: 2008/01/14 10:38:01
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
Hallo Dieter,
leider nicht direkt, wobei man ja nie nie sagen sollte. Da meine aus Rotenburg (Wümme) gekommen sind.
Viele Grüße
Bärbel
----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
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An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 22:37:04 Uhr
Betreff: [HN] Anne Cordes
Hallo,
bin neues Mitglied bei hannover-L. Habe die Cordes Diskussion
verfolgt.
Habe in meinem Stammbaum eine ...
Anne Cordes
geb. 21 Jul 1866 in Mittelsdorf b. Stade
ver. 14 Feb 1884 in Achim mit Johann Schwarmann aus Sagehorn b. Bremen
gest. 20 Oct 1934 in Sagehorm.
Passt diese Cordes bei Euch irgendwo hinein?
Gruss
Dieter Schwarmann
(aus Kalifornien)
=====================================
----- Original Message -----
From: <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
Hallo Bärbel,
wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de
"Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km"
dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum.
Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im
Umkreis
von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja
auch
schon
verstorben sein.
Schönen Abend
Klaus
----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Datum: 11.01.2008 20:03
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
> Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende.
>
> VG
> Bärbel
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> Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>
> Hallo Bärbel,
>
> hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im
> Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit
> Namen
> und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch
> eine
> Familie.
>
> Viele Grüße
> Michaela
>
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> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel
> Karberg
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes
>
> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb.
> Karberg *
> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen.
>
> Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung
>
> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute
> unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma
>
> Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg
> im 79. Lebensjahre.
>
> In stiller Trauer
>
> Johann Cordes und Frau
> Heinz Cordes und Frau
> Enkel und Urenkel
>
> Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975
> Harburger Straße 75
>
> Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe-
> bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle,
> Lindenstraße statt.
>
> Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13
>
> Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren
Informationen
> geben
> ?
>
> Vielen Dank bereits im voraus.
>
> Bärbel
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>
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Date: 2008/01/14 14:27:39
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>
Hallo, ein Hermann Schwarmann lebt heute noch in Bremen. Siehe Telefonbuch Hermann Schwarmann, Nernstraße 52, 28357 Bremen, 0421 252319 Herzliche Grüße aus dem schönen Hamburg Rolf -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces+rolf.schulenburg=t-online.de(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces+rolf.schulenburg=t-online.de(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Dieter Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 23:12 An: Hannover-L Betreff: [HN] Margarete Cordes ... Hallo, habe eine neue Margarete Cordes bei mir gefunden geb. 15 Aug 1897 in unb. verh. in Achim mit Dietrich Schwarmann aus Sagehorn gest. 22 Nov 1962 in Sagehorn Sie hastte 3 Kinder ... Johann Schwarmann geb. 24 Feb 1932 in Sagehorn gest. 19 Dec 1994 in unb. Hermann Schwarmann geb. 25 Sep 1933 in Sagehorn gest. unb. Annegret Schwarmann geb. 17 Sep 1935 in Sagehorn gest. 22 Nov 1983 in unb. Passt diese Cordes bei Euch rein? Gruss, Dieter =========================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dieter" <go2dieter(a)comcast.net> To: "Hannover-L" <> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Anne Cordes > Hallo, > > bin neues Mitglied bei hannover-L. Habe die Cordes Diskussion verfolgt. > Habe in meinem Stammbaum eine ... > > Anne Cordes > geb. 21 Jul 1866 in Mittelsdorf b. Stade > ver. 14 Feb 1884 in Achim mit Johann Schwarmann aus Sagehorn b. Bremen > gest. 20 Oct 1934 in Sagehorm. > > Passt diese Cordes bei Euch irgendwo hinein? > > Gruss > Dieter Schwarmann > (aus Kalifornien) > > ===================================== > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <klaus.wrede(a)arcor.de> > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes > > > Hallo Bärbel, > > wenn Du mal auf www.telefonbuch.de > "Cordes" und "Rotenburg Wümme" eingibst und bei "Umkreisfinder" "10km" > dann werden 2 Johann Cordes angezeigt, 1x in Hassendorf, 1x in Gyhum. > Unter "Harburger Str. 75" gibt es keinen Eintrag, aber 10 Einträge im > Umkreis > von 1km. Vielleicht sinds ja die Enkel? Seit 1975 können die Söhne ja auch > schon > verstorben sein. > > Schönen Abend > Klaus > > > ----- Original Nachricht ---- > Von: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de> > An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> > Datum: 11.01.2008 20:03 > Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes > >> Danke Michaela, mache ich gleich Montag. Schönes Wochenende. >> >> VG >> Bärbel >> >> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail ---- >> Von: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de> >> An: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >> Gesendet: Freitag, den 11. Januar 2008, 19:19:37 Uhr >> Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes >> >> Hallo Bärbel, >> >> hast Du schon mal beim Friedhof angerufen und nachgefragt, was im >> Beisetzungsbuch steht ? Dort ist dann auch ein Verantwortlicher mit >> Namen >> und Adresse angegeben und ggf. findet sich ja unter der Adresse noch >> eine >> Familie. >> >> Viele Grüße >> Michaela >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net >> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bärbel >> Karberg >> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 18:44 >> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net >> Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes >> >> Ich habe neue Informationen zu Auguste Meta Margarete Cordes geb. >> Karberg * >> 07.07.1896 in Bad Kleinen. >> >> Abschrift der Todesanzeige aus der Rotenburger Kreiszeitung >> >> "Nach einem erfüllten Leben entschlief heute >> unsere liebe Mutter, Oma und Uroma >> >> Auguste Cordes geb. Karberg >> im 79. Lebensjahre. >> >> In stiller Trauer >> >> Johann Cordes und Frau >> Heinz Cordes und Frau >> Enkel und Urenkel >> >> Rotenburg, den 24. Februar 1975 >> Harburger Straße 75 >> >> Die Trauerfeier findet am Donnerstag, 27. Fe- >> bruar 1975, um 14 Uhr in der Friedhofskapelle, >> Lindenstraße statt. >> >> Bestattungsinstitut A. Lehmann, Birkenweg 13 >> >> Wer kann mir zu den genannten Personen, oder Nachfahren Informationen >> geben >> ? >> >> Vielen Dank bereits im voraus. >> >> Bärbel >> >> >> >> >> Machen Sie Yahoo! zu Ihrer Startseite. 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Date: 2008/01/14 15:53:23
From: Leslie <ladez41(a)comcast.net>
Does anyone connect to this Cordes family of Rotenberg? Leslie1. Cord Cordes [9342], son of Johann Cordes [9981] and Anna (Nee?) Cordes [10020], was born in 1639 in Brockel, Kreis
Rotenburg (Wümme),1 died in Jan 1703 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at age 64, and was buried on 13 Jan 1703 in Brockel,
Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1 Noted events in his life were: He worked as a Kirchenkoethner In Brockel. 1Cord married Margaretha Belkauen [9962] [MRIN: 7091]. Margaretha was born in 1642 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),1
died on 25 Feb 1721 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at age 79, and was buried on 27 Feb 1721 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg
(Wümme).1 Children from this marriage were:+ 2 M i. Johann Daniel Cordes [9994] was born in Nov 1673 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),2 died on 14 Nov
1742 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2 at age 69, and was buried on 16 Nov 1742 in Brockel, Kreis
Rotenburg (Wümme).13 F ii. Anna Maria Cordes [10250] was born in 1677,1 died on 10 Sep 1758 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at
age 81, and was buried on 12 Sep 1758 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1 Second Generation (Children)2. Johann Daniel Cordes [9994] (Cord 1) was born in Nov 1673 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),2 died on 14 Nov 1742 in
Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2 at age 69, and was buried on 16 Nov 1742 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1
Noted events in his life were:He was baptized in Nov 1673 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1 He worked as a Junkernmeier In Brockel.
Johann married Maria Hinrichs [9995] [MRIN: 7127], daughter of Johann Hinrichs [9997] and Anna Roehrs [10441], on 10 Jan
1714 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1, 2 Maria was born in Nov 1685 in Bothel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme), 1, 2 died on 10
Mar 1715 1 at age 29, and was buried on 10 Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1
Noted events in her life were: She was baptized on 29 Nov 1685 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1 The child from this marriage was:4 F i. Margaretha Cordes [9900] was born in Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme), died in Dec 1793 at age
78, and was buried on 12 Dec 1793 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1 Noted events in her life were: She was baptized on 01 Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1Margaretha married Dietrich Marten Luedemann [5148] [MRIN: 3640], son of Johann Luedemann [9980] and
Anna Lucia Meyer [9964], on 12 Nov 1739.2, 3 Dietrich was born in Sep 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg
(Wümme),1, 2 died on 15 May 1775 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2, 3 at age 59, and was buried on 17
May 1775 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1 Noted events in his life were:He was baptized on 22 Sep 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1, 3 He worked as a KoetnerNeubauer In
Brockel,Schmied In Brockel.1 He was Lutheran.1
Date: 2008/01/14 17:14:26
From: Bärbel Karberg <baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de>
Hello Leslie,
thank`s for your ancestor data, but I don`t know it. My Cordes family lived in Rotenburg (Wümme) in the last century, and today.
Greetings
Bärbel
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Gesendet: Montag, den 14. Januar 2008, 15:53:16 Uhr
Betreff: Re: [HN] Cordes in Rotenber Wumme
Does anyone connect to this Cordes family of Rotenberg?
Leslie
1. Cord Cordes [9342], son of Johann Cordes [9981] and Anna (Nee?)
Cordes
[10020], was born in 1639 in Brockel, Kreis
Rotenburg (Wümme),1 died in Jan 1703 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg
(Wümme) 1
at age 64, and was buried on 13 Jan 1703 in Brockel,
Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1
Noted events in his life were:
He worked as a Kirchenkoethner In Brockel. 1
Cord married Margaretha Belkauen [9962] [MRIN: 7091]. Margaretha was
born in
1642 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),1
died on 25 Feb 1721 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at age 79,
and was
buried on 27 Feb 1721 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg
(Wümme).1
Children from this marriage were:
+ 2 M i. Johann Daniel Cordes [9994] was born in Nov 1673 in Brockel,
Kreis
Rotenburg (Wümme),2 died on 14 Nov
1742 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2 at age 69, and was
buried on
16 Nov 1742 in Brockel, Kreis
Rotenburg (Wümme).1
3 F ii. Anna Maria Cordes [10250] was born in 1677,1 died on 10 Sep
1758 in
Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1 at
age 81, and was buried on 12 Sep 1758 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg
(Wümme). 1
Second Generation (Children)
2. Johann Daniel Cordes [9994] (Cord 1) was born in Nov 1673 in
Brockel,
Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme),2 died on 14 Nov 1742 in
Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme) 1, 2 at age 69, and was buried on 16
Nov
1742 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1
Noted events in his life were:
He was baptized in Nov 1673 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1 He
worked
as a Junkernmeier In Brockel.
Johann married Maria Hinrichs [9995] [MRIN: 7127], daughter of Johann
Hinrichs [9997] and Anna Roehrs [10441], on 10 Jan
1714 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1, 2 Maria was born in Nov
1685 in
Bothel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme), 1, 2 died on 10
Mar 1715 1 at age 29, and was buried on 10 Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis
Rotenburg (Wümme). 1
Noted events in her life were:
She was baptized on 29 Nov 1685 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1
The child from this marriage was:
4 F i. Margaretha Cordes [9900] was born in Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis
Rotenburg (Wümme), died in Dec 1793 at age
78, and was buried on 12 Dec 1793 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).
1
Noted events in her life were:
She was baptized on 01 Mar 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1
Margaretha married Dietrich Marten Luedemann [5148] [MRIN: 3640], son
of
Johann Luedemann [9980] and
Anna Lucia Meyer [9964], on 12 Nov 1739.2, 3 Dietrich was born in Sep
1715
in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg
(Wümme),1, 2 died on 15 May 1775 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme)
1, 2, 3
at age 59, and was buried on 17
May 1775 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme).1
Noted events in his life were:
He was baptized on 22 Sep 1715 in Brockel, Kreis Rotenburg (Wümme). 1,
3 He
worked as a KoetnerNeubauer In
Brockel,Schmied In Brockel.1 He was Lutheran.1
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Date: 2008/01/14 21:59:22
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
Guten Abend, mich hat gestern ein Hilfegesuch eines Forscherkollegen aus der Franken- bzw. Bayernliste erreicht. Er bat mich seine eMail an die Hannover-Liste weiterzuleiten, was hiermit geschehen ist. Bitte kontaktiert unseren Kollegen direkt. Danke. Schönen Abend noch. Wolfgang (Buchhorn) Braunschweig Ich benutze das kameradschaftliche Du, da wir beide dem sog. goldenen 56er Jahrgang angehören und außerdem, wie ich sehen konnte, vom Virus der Familienforschung befallen sind. Ich bin Mitglied der Franken- und der Bayern-Liste und bin beim stöbern auf der Hannover-Liste auf Deine, gut gemachte und informative Seite gestoßen. Über die Online-OFBs und Dank der Arbeit von Herrn Hartwig Quabeck aus Braunschweig konnte ich meine Vorfahren in Rothausen, das liegt im Landkreis Rhön-Grabfeld in Unterfranken, bis zum 16. Jahrhundert sichern. (http://www.online-ofb.de/rothausen) Dort fand ich auch einen Spitzenahnen, der mich auf die Hannover-Liste führte. Aus dem KB Rothausen: WINTERBACH, Conradus, el, + Rothausen 29.06.1680 Sohn von Hanß Winterbach, zur Luta(?) bey Hannover (Könnte evtl. Luthe, westl. v. Hannover sein) 1650 als Paten genannt: 1.Bredem, Heinrich; 2. Stoll, Hanß; 3. Winterbach, Conrad alle schwedische Soldaten Der Vermerk alle schwedische Soldaten ließ mich im OFB weitersuchen und das nicht nur online, ich konnte mir auch das Original im zuständigen Pfarramt ansehen und habe folgendes Ergebnis bzw. Vermutung. Folgende Personen dienten Ende des 30jährigen Krieges in einem schwedischen Regiment: Jacob FITZ 1650: miles svecicus oo 28.11.1650 in Rothausen Ursula Hißner Heinrich BREDEM (BREDEM, PREIDING) + 1671 1650: Schwedischer Soldat, von Braunschweig bürdig, auß dem Dorff Ütze(?) (Uetze, Hannover Land) Hanß STOLL * 1617 + 14.10.1674 Rothausen 1650: miles svecicus, Sohn von Hermann Stoll, .? im Braunschweiger Land Conradus WINTERBACH + 29.06.1680 1651: hinterlassener Sohn von Hanß Winterbach, zur Luta(?) bey Hannover (s.o. evtl. Luthe bei Hannover) Hermann WOLCKE * 1626 + 31.01.1650 in Irmelshausen Vermerk im KB Rothausen - Sterberegister: Ein reuter unter Ihr. Excell. Herrn Feldmarschall Wrangel Leibregiment, Herrn Rittmeister Conrad Liebhabers Compagnie so den 27.Jan. nebenst noch anderen 2 alhier logirenden reutern nacher Irmelshausen geritten, und auf den Abend von etlichen Inwohnern daselbst ein Sch..? im Kopff, etlich Löcher mit ein Holzschlägel im Kopff und anderer mehr Schläge ins Genick bekommen, starb 31. ejusdem zu Irmelshausen, wart den 1.Febr. herauf in sein quartir geführt und en 3.Febr mit einer Leichpredigt ex Jobi 7 v. 12 und mit Kriegs Ceremonien zur Erden bestettigt, 24 Jahr. Zu dem Regiment : Das Leibregiment von Feldmarschall Wrangel, es wurde wahrscheinlich auch das Blaue oder Altblaue Regiment genannt, wurde 1649, mit weiteren schwedischen Regimentern, aus dem Nürnberger Land zurückgeführt und war einige Zeit, mindestens bis 1651, im südthüringischen und nordfränkischen Raum stationiert und wurde dann dort aufgelöst. Da die schwedischen Regimenter zu dieser Zeit schon 25 Jahre und mehr im Feld standen, dürften sie ziemlich hohe Verluste gehabt haben und es wurden, wie ich annehme, im Laufe der Jahre Männern oder Söldnern u.a. auch aus dem Hannover Land angeworben. Ich bin der Meinung, dass solche Entdeckungen für einen Ahnenforscher sowas wie das Fleisch in der Suppe sind und sicherlich auch für die Mitglieder der Hannover-Liste interessant wären. Meine Bitte: würdest Du die Infos an die Hannover-Liste weiterleiten? Falls ja, natürlich auch mit der für mich wichtigen Frage nach Hanß bzw. Conrad WINTERBACH und einen Vermerk auf Herrn Quabeck, der hat ja die eigentliche Arbeit geleistet. Besten Dank und noch viel Erfolg bei der Ahnenforschung. Mein Gruß Gerald Weiß mail: gerald.weisz(a)web.de Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht? Have you already visited my web page? www.wbuchhorn.de
Date: 2008/01/15 14:44:31
From: Christine Mathis-Huber <c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de>
Liebe Liste, ich suche die Eltern und evtl. weitere Vorfahren von: Maria Magdalena Bartels verheiratet mit Johann Conrad Cludius in Hildesheim und wohl ihrer Schwester Maria Margaretha Bartels 1731-1796 verheiratet mit Johann Melchior Brandis in Hildesheim Kinder der beiden nämlich Anna Amalia Brandis und Hermann Heimart Cludius haben dann am 5.März 1778 in Hildesheim geheiratet, als Cousin und Cousine. Im Voraus besten Dank für jeden Hinweis Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christine (Mathis-Huber)
Date: 2008/01/15 14:56:23
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>
Dear listeners, More family pages are looking up their official housemark. Hausmarken. As always ............I hope this helps in some way. If you ever see Karl Gustav's own house mark for Homeyer I sure would like to see it. Here are some recent items coming available on line for family housemarks. http://dlib.uni-rostock.de/servlets/YearbookInquiry?docid=607 Karl Gustav Homeyer (August 13, 1795 - October 20, 1874), German jurist, was born at Wolgast in Pomerania. After studying law at the universities of Berlin, Göttingen and Heidelberg (1813-1817), he settled as a Privatdozent, in 1821, at the university of Berlin, where he became ordinary professor of law in 1827. His principal works are his edition of the Sachsenspiegel (in 3 vols, 1827, 3rd ed., 1861, containing also some other important sources of Saxon or Low German law), which is still unsurpassed in accuracy and sagacity of research, and his book on Die Haus- und Hofmarken (1870), in which he has given a history of the use of trade-marks among all the Teutonic nations of Europe, and which is full of important elucidations of the history of law and also contains valuable contributions to the history of art and civilization. Wiki .org Also: http://www.cappelen-krefting.no/hans/housemarksnorway.htm My best to all in the new Year Pam Homeyer Sullivan Little Rock AR USA
Date: 2008/01/15 14:57:42
From: JRodenburg <JRodenburg(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 1/14/2008 10:19:31 AM Central Standard Time,
baerbel.karberg(a)yahoo.de writes:
> My Cordes family lived in Rotenburg (Wümme) in the last century, and today.
>
> Greetings
>
i believe there were (are?) Cordes living around Cole Camp Missouri. They may
be vaguely connected to my Rodenburg's from Tarmstedt/Wilstedt area.
Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg
Rodenburg (Tarmstedt, Amt Rotenburg, Hannover)
Brunkhorst (Stemmen, Amt Rotenburg, Hannover)
Werner (Langen, Hesse-Darmstadt),
Steinke (Kreis Schlochau, Pommern)
Krause (Kreis Schlochau, Pommern)
Schröder (Warsow, Mecklenburg-Schwerin),
Meyer (Eitzendorf, Kreis Hoya, Hannover)
Hinkeldey (Wechold, Kreis Hoya, Hannover)
Zum Mallen (Schierholz, Kreis Hoya, Hannover)
Röhrdanz (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
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Date: 2008/01/15 16:47:07
From: HeinrichMunk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>
"Christine Mathis-Huber" <mailto:c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de> schrieb: > > Liebe Liste, > > ich suche die Eltern und evtl. weitere Vorfahren von: > > Maria Magdalena Bartels verheiratet mit Johann Conrad Cludius in Hildesheim > und wohl ihrer Schwester > Maria Margaretha Bartels 1731-1796 verheiratet mit Johann Melchior Brandis > in Hildesheim > > Kinder der beiden nämlich Anna Amalia Brandis und Hermann Heimart Cludius > haben dann am 5.März 1778 in Hildesheim geheiratet, als Cousin und Cousine. > > Im Voraus besten Dank für jeden Hinweis > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > Christine (Mathis-Huber) > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04.01.2008 12:05 > > Hallo Christine, der Vater der Maria Margarethe Bartels war der bekannte Bildschnitzer Ernst Dietrich Bartels, verheiratet mit Anna Elisabeth Ernst, alles Gute Heinrich
Date: 2008/01/16 08:15:21
From: Christine Mathis-Huber <c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de>
Hallo Heinrich, vielen Dank für diese prompte Antwort - aber wenn der Ernst Dietrich Bartels ein bekannter Bildschnitzer von Barockaltären war, gibt es dann keine Daten für ihn ? Irgendwie entziehen sich die Bartels meinem Zugriff, obwohl ich noch von folgendem weiß: Joachim BARTELS, auch BARTHOLDT, wahrscheinlich in Hildesheim um 1530 geboren, gestorben in Osterrode 1609, war in Osterrode Bürger und Ratsherr . Vor 1560 hatte er in Hildesheim seine Frau eine geb. KORENGEL geheiratet. Beider Sohn, Hans BARTELS (ca 1575/80-1650) wird Hüttenherr zu Kamschlacken "Schwarze Schluft" und ist Pächter der Hütte Wieda und des Blechhammers Zorge. Eigentlich habe ich das Gefühl, daß Bartels in Hildesheim noch nicht ausgereizt ist. Vielleicht können wir uns aber ansonsten über Brandis unterhalten, da Du ja nur die Brandis Ehefrau zu kennen scheinst. Welche und wieviel Kinder hatte denn das Paar Brandis/Bartels ? Ich kenne: Ernst Christian * 1751 Anna Amalia * 1756 Johann Diederich * 1758 ALso jedenfalls nochmals vielen Dank und schöne Grüße aus Oberbayern Christine
Date: 2008/01/16 09:05:23
From: Christine Mathis-Huber <c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de>
Liebe Liste, hat ggf. jemand Zugang zum Jahrgang 44 von 1973 der Jahrbücher für Stadt und Stift Hildesheim und könnte mir ggf. den Artikel von Harald Pfeiffer über: Der Bildschnitzer Ernst Dietrich Bartels aus Hildesheim (1679 - 1762) und seine Barockaltäre einscannen. Im Voraus besten Dank für jedwede Hilfe Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christine (Mathis-Huber)
Date: 2008/01/16 10:37:44
From: HeinrichMunk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>
"Christine Mathis-Huber" <mailto:c.mathis-huber(a)nexgo.de> schrieb: > > Hallo Heinrich, > > vielen Dank für diese prompte Antwort - aber wenn der Ernst Dietrich Bartels > ein bekannter Bildschnitzer von Barockaltären war, gibt es dann keine Daten > für ihn ? > > Irgendwie entziehen sich die Bartels meinem Zugriff, obwohl ich noch von > folgendem weiß: > > Joachim BARTELS, auch BARTHOLDT, wahrscheinlich in Hildesheim um 1530 > geboren, gestorben in Osterrode 1609, war in Osterrode Bürger und Ratsherr . > Vor 1560 hatte er in Hildesheim seine Frau eine geb. KORENGEL geheiratet. > Beider Sohn, Hans BARTELS (ca 1575/80-1650) wird Hüttenherr zu Kamschlacken > "Schwarze Schluft" und ist Pächter der Hütte Wieda und des Blechhammers > Zorge. > > Eigentlich habe ich das Gefühl, daß Bartels in Hildesheim noch nicht > ausgereizt ist. > Vielleicht können wir uns aber ansonsten über Brandis unterhalten, da Du ja > nur die Brandis Ehefrau zu kennen scheinst. > > Welche und wieviel Kinder hatte denn das Paar Brandis/Bartels ? > Ich kenne: > Ernst Christian * 1751 > Anna Amalia * 1756 > Johann Diederich * 1758 > > ALso jedenfalls nochmals vielen Dank und > > schöne Grüße aus Oberbayern > Christine > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > Hallo Christine, es gibt noch mehr Kinder: Johann Christoph * 1759, Johann Carl * 1761, Justus Adolph und Johann Joachim, wir wollen uns aber nicht über die Liste unterhalten, schreibe mich privat an, alles Gute Heinrich > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 04.01.2008 12:05 > >
Date: 2008/01/16 16:49:38
From: eltribs <eltribs(a)optonline.net>
I have found a new possiblity concerning my g g grandfather William Kielhorn b Germany ca 1840. There is a August Kielhorn b. Jul 1835 in Marienende Hanover on ship Earnestine April 1856 from Breman which is listed in Germans To America Index 1870-1873 on page 81. Of note that William is listed in Index 1865-1875 on page 81also. Does anyone know of a family tree for them or have access to the Book. Family oral history is that William had siblings. Thank You Howard Banney
Date: 2008/01/16 17:11:54
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
Ancestry lists the following: Wilh Kielhorn 5 Sep 1887 abt 1858 Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France Prussian (German) Gellert Wilhelm Kielhorn 21 May 1881 abt 1873 Antwerp, Belgium German De Ruyter Williams V Kielhorn 26 Jan 1955 Kindley Field,Hda There are several family trees with a Wilhelm Kielhorn listed, but b. 1890 Name: William Kielhorn Year: 1865-1875 Place: Indiana Source Publication Code: 3434 Primary Immigrant: Kielhorn, William Source Bibliography: AN INDEX TO INDIANA NATURALIZATION RECORDS Found in Various Order Books of the Ninety-Two Local Courts prior to 1907. Indianapolis: Family History Section, Indiana Historical Society, 1981. 172p. Page: 81 You should be able to get a copy of the naturalization record listed above to see if it is your William Kielhorn. Janice Thiele Seiler -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of eltribs Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:42 AM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [HN] Kielhorn info wanted I have found a new possiblity concerning my g g grandfather William Kielhorn b Germany ca 1840. There is a August Kielhorn b. Jul 1835 in Marienende Hanover on ship Earnestine April 1856 from Breman which is listed in Germans To America Index 1870-1873 on page 81. Of note that William is listed in Index 1865-1875 on page 81also. Does anyone know of a family tree for them or have access to the Book. Family oral history is that William had siblings. Thank You Howard Banney ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/16 17:27:17
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>
Dear Listeners, For those of you who are searching for family housemarks and crest history, as you may already know Karl G. Homeyer (Berlin) 1800s book now available for down load or on line. Via Go ogle at: German site at: Download size is 22.5 MB and defaults to PDF Adobe. It is in pure photo format so make sure you have upgrade your for free to Adobe 8.1.1 Also note pure photo format will allow page search/find - but Will NOT allow word find (in free google format download) The first index is by region or town = example Lippe page 105; Greifswald- Stolp; Warbelow/ Warschow; Lubeck page 56; Jeverland 380; etc. The images are listed by Roman numeral table = example Rugen is Tafel XX Also indexes by name within towns starts on page 375 of book Information pages on standard occupational identity marks also available in first 3rd of book And useful notes on how to decipher old handwriting Some individual family houses are noted = example Manor of Aston Most graphics start around pages 457 and 461 on ward. Many early trade identities of the Teutonic and others carried into family crests For example in my Homeyer family the hand sickle/ longbow matchlock had a letter associated with it Many of you will be impressed by how old your house mark symbols really are as some are Rune based. This has been helpful for me in researching Poland, East Germany, old Prussia and some of my Russian family. I found more people in one night than I found in 3 months. Good Luck to you all and may God speed Pam Homeyer Little Rock AR USA central time (hope9(a)comcast.net)
Date: 2008/01/16 18:46:03
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>
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Date: 2008/01/16 20:12:52
From: "Dr. Ralf Röhrkasten" <RRoehrkasten(a)t-online.de>
"Pam Sullivan" <mailto:hope9(a)comcast.net> schrieb: > Dear Listeners, > > For those of you who are searching for family housemarks and crest history, > as you may already know Karl G. Homeyer (Berlin) 1800s book now available > for down load or on line. > > Via Go ogle at: > German site at: > > Download size is 22.5 MB and defaults to PDF Adobe. > It is in pure photo format so make sure you have upgrade your for free to > Adobe 8.1.1 > Also note pure photo format will allow page search/find - but Will NOT allow > word find (in free google format download) > > The first index is by region or town = example Lippe page 105; Greifswald- > Stolp; Warbelow/ Warschow; Lubeck page 56; Jeverland 380; etc. > The images are listed by Roman numeral table = example Rugen is Tafel XX > > Also indexes by name within towns starts on page 375 of book > Information pages on standard occupational identity marks also available in > first 3rd of book > And useful notes on how to decipher old handwriting > Some individual family houses are noted = example Manor of Aston > > Most graphics start around pages 457 and 461 on ward. > Many early trade identities of the Teutonic and others carried into family > crests > For example in my Homeyer family the hand sickle/ longbow matchlock had a > letter associated with it > > Many of you will be impressed by how old your house mark symbols really are > as some are Rune based. > > This has been helpful for me in researching Poland, East Germany, old > Prussia and some of my Russian family. > I found more people in one night than I found in 3 months. > Good Luck to you all and may God speed > > Pam Homeyer > Little Rock AR USA central time > (mailto:hope9(a)comcast.net) > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > >
Date: 2008/01/17 18:18:36
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
Einen schönen guten Abend aus Braunschweig, auch ich möchte Euch eines meiner Problemfälle vorstellen und hoffe, der eine oder andere kann mir da aus der Sackgasse helfen. Ich hatte es ja schon in meiner Vorstellung erwähnt, dass ich nicht nur den Weg meiner Vorfahren verfolge, sondern auch versuche eine Spur der vielen Buchhorn-Auswanderer zu finden. Einer dieser Auswanderer bereitet mir ein wenig Kopfschmerzen. Es handelt sich dabei um einen John Buckhorn, der schon als sehr junger Mann nach England gegangen ist und ca. 1847 geboren sein muß. Verheiratet war er mit einer Sarah Annie Pulfer, die 1842 in St. Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk, UK gebopren war. In den englischen Volkszählungen erscheint diese Familie alle 10 Jahre und als Johns Geburtsort wird Hannover angegeben. Ich nahm also an, dass dieser John wohl Johann oder Johannes gehießen haben muss und dass der Familienname Buchhorn, so wie in allen englischsprachigen Ländern, zu Buckhorn wurde. Ich war immer der Ansicht, dass es in der Vergangenheit nie Buckhorns in Deutschland gegeben hatte. Ich musste mich nun belehren lassen. Es wurde mir berichtet, dass es in Vreden seit 1480 Buckhorns gegeben hat. Zwar nur wenige, aber es gab welche. Vielleicht waren es Buckhorns, die aus England kamen. Dort gibt es noch heute viele Buckhorns. Ich hatte mich an verschiedene Archive in Hannover gewandt, habe aber nie irgendwelche Informationen erhalten. Man konnte einen John Buckhorn oder auch Johann Buchhorn nicht finden. Also muss ich annehmen, dass dieser John nicht aus der Stadt Hannover kam, sondern aus dem Königreich Hannover. Aber welcher Ort? Vielleicht hat jemand von Euch einen Buchhorn oder Buckhorn auf seiner Liste stehen. Über jeden hilfreichen Rat bin ich dankbar. Ich wünsche Euch einen schönen Feierabend. Wolfgang (Buchhorn) Braunschweig Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht? Have you already visited my web page? www.wbuchhorn.de
Date: 2008/01/17 19:43:47
From: Volker Wolters <Volker.Wolters(a)gmx.de>
Hallo Wolfgang, wie wäre es mit dem Familiennamen BOCKHOP? Ich habe BOCKHOP aus der Nähe von Hannover in meiner Liste 1 Johann Hinrich Bockhop * 26.12.1770 Hohenmoor † 14.07.1839 Hohenmoor Anna Sophie Eleonore Schmidt * 22.03.1776 Steinborn † 28.05.1840 Hohenmoor2 Johann Heinrich Bockhop * errechnet 18.01.1795 Hohenmoor † 19.08.1868 Hoyerhagen 17
Vielleicht wurde aus BOCKHOP -> BUCKHORN? Nur so eine Idee Viele Grüße Volker Wolters----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolfgang Buchhorn" <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: [HN] BUCKHORN aus HANNOVER Einen schönen guten Abend aus Braunschweig, auch ich möchte Euch eines meiner Problemfälle vorstellen und hoffe, der eine oder andere kann mir da aus der Sackgasse helfen. Ich hatte es ja schon in meiner Vorstellung erwähnt, dass ich nicht nur den Weg meiner Vorfahren verfolge, sondern auch versuche eine Spur der vielen Buchhorn-Auswanderer zu finden. Einer dieser Auswanderer bereitet mir ein wenig Kopfschmerzen. Es handelt sich dabei um einen John Buckhorn, der schon als sehr junger Mann nach England gegangen ist und ca. 1847 geboren sein muß. Verheiratet war er mit einer Sarah Annie Pulfer, die 1842 in St. Margaret, Ipswich, Suffolk, UK gebopren war. In den englischen Volkszählungen erscheint diese Familie alle 10 Jahre und als Johns Geburtsort wird Hannover angegeben. Ich nahm also an, dass dieser John wohl Johann oder Johannes gehießen haben muss und dass der Familienname Buchhorn, so wie in allen englischsprachigen Ländern, zu Buckhorn wurde. Ich war immer der Ansicht, dass es in der Vergangenheit nie Buckhorns in Deutschland gegeben hatte. Ich musste mich nun belehren lassen. Es wurde mir berichtet, dass es in Vreden seit 1480 Buckhorns gegeben hat. Zwar nur wenige, aber es gab welche. Vielleicht waren es Buckhorns, die aus England kamen. Dort gibt es noch heute viele Buckhorns. Ich hatte mich an verschiedene Archive in Hannover gewandt, habe aber nie irgendwelche Informationen erhalten. Man konnte einen John Buckhorn oder auch Johann Buchhorn nicht finden. Also muss ich annehmen, dass dieser John nicht aus der Stadt Hannover kam, sondern aus dem Königreich Hannover. Aber welcher Ort? Vielleicht hat jemand von Euch einen Buchhorn oder Buckhorn auf seiner Liste stehen. Über jeden hilfreichen Rat bin ich dankbar. Ich wünsche Euch einen schönen Feierabend. Wolfgang (Buchhorn) Braunschweig Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht? Have you already visited my web page? www.wbuchhorn.de ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/17 23:40:19
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>
weblinks http://books.google.com/books?id=37UuAnRZoDQC and http://books.google.com
Date: 2008/01/17 23:46:27
From: Jürgen Rode <j.rode(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste, mit Interesse habe ich die Mails zu BARTELS gelesen. Da ich ebenfalls nach Bartels suche und hier eventuell ein Zusammenhang bestehen könnte, stelle ich hier ebenfalls eine Anfrage zu Bartels Proband _____ 1 BARTELS Sabina Luise Ev * 17.12.1726 Banteln † 13.04.1799 Banteln †Urs: Brustübel oo 21.10.1754 Banteln BRUNOTTE Christoph Ev Bödener * 09.11.1714 Banteln † 13.11.1779 Banteln Geschwister BARTELS Sophia Charlotte * 04.03.1729 Banteln _____ Generation 1 _____ 2 BARTELS N. Ev Garnisons-Organist in Hameln * um.1670 1. oo N.N. Margarethe Dorothea Ev * um.1670 † 28.05.1725 Banteln 2. oo 05.02.1726 Banteln KRITEN Anna Eleonora Ev * 22.11.1704 Banteln _____ 3 KRITEN Anna Eleonora Ev * 22.11.1704 Banteln oo 05.02.1726 Banteln BARTELS N. Ev Garnisons-Organist in Hameln * um.1670 Geschwister KRITEN Hinrich * 11.10.1703 Banteln _____ Generation 2 _____ 6 KRITEN Georg Ev Schulmeister, Organist * um.1670 oo um.1700 N.N. Ev * um.1670 Wer kann Hinweise zu dem Garnisons-Orgnisten Bartels geben. Ich vermute, dass er sich um 1725 in Banteln niedergelassen. Am 15.01.1738 stirbt in Banteln ein Mathias Bartels im Alter von 69 Jahren. Ob es sich hierbei um die gleiche Person handelt kann ich bisher nicht belegen. Gruß Jürgen Rode
Date: 2008/01/18 02:52:26
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>
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Date: 2008/01/18 05:53:26
From: Ron Bronemann <ron_bronemann(a)hotmail.com>
No. Ron Bronemann > From: Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:51:35 -0500> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] RENA> > Did you change your e-mail address ?> > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/18 12:18:46
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Dear A. Hattorf, Perhaps try search using only town name of Labuhn. Had thought that perhaps Isidor was eastern version of Theodore... but I'm not sure Isidor is feminine or masculine name. Then I thought of Teofil... which I think in English language a variation of Phil... Did you find this name in American church records? Handscribe record? Perhaps recorder used his best known Latin to scribe record. Take a good look at the script. T, F, P, and sometimes even J can be hard to tell apart. To my eyes an "H" sometimes looks like a "W". Old style lettering is also very hard to decifer. How would the name be spelled phoenetically? What if recorder understood German Language but primary education was Polish, Russian or other... The style of hand lettering may vary. Well just some thoughts. Warmest, Barbie-Lew Perhaps Here is many variation of given names... http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/sc/oconee/misc/foreign-names.txt > From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:15:11 -0500> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff> > Hi Bobby> > The shortform for Theodor is usually Theo ..... but its possible that his > full name was Theodor Franz Hattorff but i have also been looking for Franz ... > without any success.> > Armin> > > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
Date: 2008/01/18 16:14:22
From: Karin Heyne <karin-heyne(a)web.de>
Hallo liebe Listenmitglieder, bin neu hier und suche nach Vorfahren / Familienmitglieder von: Margarete Dahnken, geb. 29.05.1861 Hasbergen gestorben Feb. 1940 in Halstrup Eltern: Johann Arnold Dahnken + Margarete Heinken aus Hasbergen Karl Friedrich Beckemeyer, geb. 16.07.1838 in Burgforde verh. Mit Katharine Hasselhorn geb. 19.04.1842 in Bokel Johann Friedrich Janßen, geb. 25.05.1836 in Halstrup verh. Mit Mette Sophie Rastedt, geb. 06.01.1843 in Bokel Wilhelm Ebbken geb. 10.11.1832 in Lindern, verh. Mit Anna Marie Mittig, geb. 01.09.1832 in Lindern Gruß Karin Schwantje
Date: 2008/01/18 18:17:06
From: Rena McCarthy <rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net>
Hi Eric,Glad to see you are still on the list. Your email address book is months out of date. I have taken time out from Hannoverian research across the water but I'm gearing up to start again.
Cheers, Rena researching Liebenberg area: FLAMME/FLEMME (Catholic).villages near Salzgitter: Ev. Lutheran: EHLERS, GERMERS, STRÜBICH, MÖLM, REUPKE
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Date: 2008/01/18 19:28:01
From: DAVIDREINH <DAVIDREINH(a)aol.com>
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Date: 2008/01/18 19:46:06
From: Bernd H . Siebert <berndhsiebert(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Christine!Wenn du Gelegenheit hast, dann wirf bitte einen Blick in das Werk "Sippschaften aus Stadt und Stift Hildesheim" von Dr. Friedrich Gatzemeyer. Sie erschienen in einer Sammelbandreihe "Ahnentafeln um 1800" von 1931 bis 1942 beim Degener Verlag. In großen Bibliotheken sollten sie vorhanden sein. Darin sind reichlich Bartels/Bathels und Brandis/Brandes und auch wenige Cludius. Die Reihe ist unübersichtlich nummeriert, und die Verweise des Registers führen gelegentlich ins Leere.
Gruß Bernd Am 15.01.2008 um 14:44 schrieb Christine Mathis-Huber:
Liebe Liste, ich suche die Eltern und evtl. weitere Vorfahren von:Maria Magdalena Bartels verheiratet mit Johann Conrad Cludius in Hildesheimund wohl ihrer SchwesterMaria Margaretha Bartels 1731-1796 verheiratet mit Johann Melchior Brandisin HildesheimKinder der beiden nämlich Anna Amalia Brandis und Hermann Heimart Cludius haben dann am 5.März 1778 in Hildesheim geheiratet, als Cousin und Cousine.Im Voraus besten Dank für jeden Hinweis Mit freundlichen Grüßen Christine (Mathis-Huber) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/18 21:13:34
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Jürgen Rode, mit Interesse habe ich die BARTELS-Mail bez. Banteln gelesen. Die Probandin Sabina Luise BARTELS hatte ich bisher nur anonym als "Christoph BRUNOTTES Ehefrau". Als solche war sie am 08.02.1732 in Banteln Patin bei der Taufe von Anna Elisabeth BOCK. Diese ist eine Vorfahrin meiner Frau. In welcher Beziehung Sabina Luise BARTELS zu ihr steht, ist mir nicht bekannt. Können Sie etwas dazu sagen? BOCK ist mein hauptsächlicher Name in Banteln, dazu noch MÖLLER und TRIESBERG. Kommen die bei Ihnen auch vor? Ich würde mich freuen, wieder von Ihnen zu hören, und wünsche ein schönes Wochenende. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Wilfried Petersen
Date: 2008/01/19 10:26:45
From: Bernd H . Siebert <berndhsiebert(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Liste!Habe soeben den Katalog der Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft in Arbeit. Habe darin folgendes gefunden:
Reichs-Telefonbuch von 1942 aus DVD, enthält 5 Bände auf 6.864 Seiten ca. 2,6 Mill. Anschlüsse, inkl. Ortsregister, einschließlich der seit 1938 einkassierten Gebiete (u.a. Sudetenland, Österreich). Dazu ein Branchenverzeichnis. Kostet leider 99 €, bei der Wiss. Buchgesellschaft 69 €.
Außerdem:Ritters geografisch-statistisches Lexikon, 9. Aufl. von 1905-1906 auf CD/DVD,
Kostet 19,90 €.Beide Werke sind im Wilfried Bogon Verlag, Berlin, erschienen, der leider keine Website unterhält.
Nein, ich bekomme keine Provisionen! Gruß Bernd
Date: 2008/01/19 11:23:31
From: Wolfgang Buchhorn <wolfgang.buchhorn(a)arcor.de>
Schönen guten Tag, Volker, Danke für Deinen Tip. Ich werde ihn auf alle Fälle im Auge behalten. Ich denke aber, die Chance ist gering eine Verbindung zu finden. Der Name Buchhorn ist auf die alte Reichsstadt Buchhorn am Bodensee (heute Friedrichshafen) zurückzuführen . . . was jedenfalls meinen Familienzweig angeht. Meine Leute stammen ursprünglich aus Ostpreußen und der allererste Buchhorn von dem alle anderen ostpreußischen Buchhorns abstammen, war ein Alrad Buchhorn, der eben aus dieser Stadt Buchhorn stammte. Das war so um 1310. Aber in der Genealogie ist nichts unmöglich und man sagt ja nicht umsonst "Ich habe schon Pferde . . . . " Nochmals recht herzlichen Dank für Deine Mithilfe. Ich wünsche Dir ein schönes Wochenende. Wolfgang (Buchhorn), Braunschweig Haben Sie schon meine Internet-Seite besucht? Have you already visited my web page? www.wbuchhorn.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces+wolfgang.buchhorn=arcor.de(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces+wolfgang.buchhorn=arcor.de(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Volker Wolters Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2008 19:45 An: Hannover-L Betreff: Re: [HN] BUCKHORN aus HANNOVER Hallo Wolfgang, wie wre es mit dem Familiennamen BOCKHOP? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Date: 2008/01/19 11:42:48
From: Marina Schlobohm <marinaschlobohm(a)yahoo.de>
Hallo Karin,
mein Name ist Marina Schlobohm, geb. Dahnken. Über die Dahnken's habe ich noch nicht viel herausgefunden. Aber ich bin gerne bereit, das, was ich habe, mit dir auszutauschen. Ob wir dann miteinander verwandt sind, wird sich dann herausstellen. Melde dich, wenn du Interesse hast.
Herzliche Grüße
Marina
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Date: 2008/01/19 12:48:58
From: Heran60 <Heran60(a)aol.com>
Hallo Marina, ich habe bei Otto Voigt den Namen DAHNKEN schon des öfteren gelesen, kann mich aber nicht genau erinnern wo. Hast du vielleicht einen ungefähren Hinweis, woher deine Leute kommen könnten. Der Name DAHNKEN, DAHNEKEN und ähnlich taucht in der Verdener Gegend häufig auf. Gruß Hermann
Date: 2008/01/20 05:24:50
From: PD & LE Strong <plstrong(a)pnc.com.au>
http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/chapter_1_deutsch.htmlDieses Kapitel beschreibt Aufzeichnungen meiner Familie in Fredelsloh-Moringen und in Goslar, Deutschland. Ich hoffe, daß meine deutschsprechenden Verwandten wahrscheinlicher sein konnten, die Übersetzung zu lesen.
-------I have put on-line a German translation of chapter 1 of my WEDEMEYER, WEDEMEIER Website.
http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/chapter_1_deutsch.htmlThis chapter describes records of my family in Fredelsloh-Moringen and Goslar, Germany. I am hoping that my German-speaking relatives might be more likely to read the translation.
--**Philip Strong***Email:plstrong(a)pnc.com.au***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER / WEDEMEIER of Moringen-Fredelsloh, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia.
http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/
Date: 2008/01/20 15:18:31
From: Marina Schlobohm <marinaschlobohm(a)yahoo.de>
Hallo Hermann,
mein Ur-Urgroßvater war Johann Berend Dahnken, geb. ? in ?, verheiratet mit Anna Mathilde Mühlenfeld, geb. ? in ?. Der Sohn war Johann Friedrich Dahnken, geb. 17.12.1877 in Woltmershausen. Mehr Angaben habe ich von Johann Berend nicht, es kann daher gut sein, das er aus dieser Gegend kam.
Herzliche Grüße
Marina
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Date: 2008/01/20 19:11:59
From: ahprovence <ahprovence(a)aol.com>
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Date: 2008/01/21 12:32:01
From: Baldur007 <Baldur007(a)aol.com>
Hallo und Guten Tag, ich wurde von Rudolf Dietmann, Hannover, gebeten ihm bei der Abgabe zu neuen Informationen der LDS-Kirche (Latter Days Saints = Mormonen) behilflich zu sein. Aufkündte kann ich dazu leider nicht erteilen da ich dieser Kirche nicht angehöre. Sie erreichen Rudolf Dietmann aber unter " _R.Dietmann(a)gmx.de_ (mailto:R.Dietmann(a)gmx.de) " Ich empfehle folgende Links aufzurufen und sich kundig zu machen. Vorläufig haben aber nur Mitglieder der Kirche direkten Zugang zu Daten in "new.familysearch.org", Nichtmitglieder voraussichtlich ab 2009/2010. Nur Filme können ab sofort über das Internet zum Lesen in den Lesesälen bestellt werden. Bis zum 29. Februar 2008 auch noch direkt dort. _https://new.familysearch.org/de/action/unsec/welcome_ (https://new.familysearch.org/de/action/unsec/welcome) _https://new.familysearch.org/de/static/help/faqs/registration/001faq0503.htm_ (https://new.familysearch.org/de/static/help/faqs/registration/001faq0503.htm) _http://films.familysearch.org/_ (http://films.familysearch.org/) _http://films.familysearch.org/CustSignin.aspx_ (http://films.familysearch.org/CustSignin.aspx) Ich empfehle die Unterlagen einmal auszudrucken. Deutsche Sprache wählen ! Mit freundlichen Grüßen KARL J. FRANZ ********************************************************************* KARL J. FRANZ (Ein in den Norden verschlagener bayerischer Franke) Mitglied : Franken GF 1204 / Hamburg GH 4405 / Ostdeutschland AO 3091/ Computer Genealogie Compgend 1143 Tel. 040-532 22 06 / Fax 040-531 60 441 E-Mail : Baldur007(a)aol.com und franzfranke(a)yahoo.de FRAN(T)Z ab ca. 1525 : Hurzfurt, Gräfendorf, Zellingen, Roßbrunn, Mädelhoifen, Eisingen, Aschaffenburg, Hamburg BREUNIG : ab 1490 Höllerbach, Breitenbrunn, Elsenfeld, Aschaffenburg WEBER : ab ca. 1770 Frankenthal, Mannheim, Aschaffenburg DÖPFNER : ab 1550 Bremenleiden (jetzt Burkardroth-Premich), Fridritt (jetzt Münnerstadt), Ober-/Unterspiesheim, Kolitzheim, Wertheim, Ladenburg, Aschaffenburg
Date: 2008/01/21 13:26:39
From: Ali High <highab(a)dplanet.ch>
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Date: 2008/01/21 17:22:11
From: Walter Schlesinger <WSchlesinger(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Listenteilnehmer, kann mir jemand bei der Suche nach Daten der Eltern von Heinrich Mathias Samblebe *17.05.1754 Othfresen Liebenburg +21,01.1833 Othfresen Liebenburg Hof Nr.21 weiter helfen. Liebe Grüße aus Bremen. Walter ( Schlesinger )
Date: 2008/01/22 06:25:11
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 19.01.2008 11:43:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Re: Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower) Hi Barbie Thanks for your thoughts. Yes i have been trying now to search for Labuhn. Of course you know about the misspellings in the index. I wonder what misspellings we will find for Labuhn ...... Lebuhn, Lebun, Lebum????? I have been trying to look for POMMERN. Its unbelievable i have been changing my search criteria to POM* and then i found Pomern, Pommnern, Pommeraiana not to forget all variations with PAM, PUM and even PIM. The idea to look for a eastern version for Theodor is not so good. Even today Pommern is a part of Poland .... at his time this was a part of Germany and nobody did use names for kids that would sound EASTERN. His family must have been coming from the Kingdom of Hannover one fine day in the eastern Part of Germany. So i think i will never find him in the shiplist. Have a fine day Armin
Date: 2008/01/22 07:45:43
From: Manfred <Manfred.Puffahrt(a)t-online.de>
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, gibt es ein Zarensdorf im Lüneburgischen? KB oo 1698 kaarßen: Anna Eva Schröder von Zahrensdorf im Lüneburgischen Mit freundlichen Grüßen Manfred Puffahrt
Date: 2008/01/22 08:17:10
From: JOHN Illenberger <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net>
Dear Listers, Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv? The information listed on their web site is outdated. I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser. Thanks! John Illenberger
Date: 2008/01/22 11:50:59
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
Hello John, the church parishes are at the Kirchenbuchamt Hannover: www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/ Wilfried Petersen "JOHN Illenberger" <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net> schrieb: > Dear Listers, > > Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv? > The information listed on their web site is outdated. > I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser. > Thanks! > > John Illenberger
Date: 2008/01/22 12:35:25
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
Dear John, It is Kirchenbuchamt des Ev.-luth. Stadtkirchenverbandes, Hildesheimer Str. 165/167, 30173 Hannover Email: Kirchenbuch.Staki.Hannover(a)evlka.de Greetings Falk Liebezeit Diepholz -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von JOHN Illenberger Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008 08:17 An: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net Betreff: [HN] Church parishes Dear Listers, Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv? The information listed on their web site is outdated. I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser. Thanks! John Illenberger ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/22 19:50:38
From: MFox-Bochum(a)t-online.de <MFox-Bochum(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Listenmitglieder,
seit dem 21.1. bin ich in Eurer Liste angemeldetes Mitglied. Ich
erhoffe mir, hier Kontakt zu Forschern zu erhalten,
die ebenfalls in dem o.g. Gebiet forschen.
Zunächst möchte ich mich einmal kurz vorstellen:
Mein Name ist MANFRED FOX. Ich bin 64 J. alt und wohne in
Bo.-Wattenscheid im Herzen des Ruhrgebietes. Seit 1985
befasse ich mich mit der Familienforschung. Mein Forschungsschwerpunkt
lag bisher allerdings in Ostpreußen, da
3 Großelterliche Zweige von dort stammen.
Der 4. Zweig, den ich bisher zu vernachlässigen können glaubte, führt
vom Lippischen in o.g. Region. Er wurde vor
Jahren schon von einem Cousin meiner Mutter und dessen Frau
bearbeitet, aber leider von Ihnen nicht ausreichend
dokumentiert, so daß nach Ihrem Tod das Ergebnis weitgehend verloren
ist.
Vorrangig gilt es für mich, folgende toten Punkte zu überwinden:
1. Mein 2-facher Urgroßvater HENDRIK CHRISTOPHERS MÜLLER, geb. am
17.1.1808 in Bunde b. Emden, heiratet am
4.Mai 1840 in Kl. Borsum TETJE NONNEN DE WALL von der Insel
Nesserland bei Emden. In den KB von Nesse und
Kl. Borsum wird er als Lehrer bezeichnet, was auch aus den mir
vorliegende Unterlagen der o.g. Verwandten her-
vorgeht.
Die Taufen zu 2 Kindern sind urkundlich belegt. Sein Sohn
Christoph Müller, geb. 1850 in Emden, war mein Urgroß-
vater.
Der Lehrer/Taubstummenlehrer/Hauslehrer HENDRIK CHRISTOPH
MÜLLER/MULLER soll (nach 1850) in einem Emder
Kanal ertrunken sein.
Gesucht wird von mir
a) das Todesdatum, das in den Emder Kirchenbüchern nicht
aufzufinden ist
b) seine Lebensbiographie
gibt es Lehrerverzeichnisse aus Ostfriesland, und wo sind
diese archiviert?
2. STOFFER HINDRIKS MÜLLER/MULDER war Kaufmann in Bunde. Heirat am
7.2.1807 in Bunde.
Gesucht: Geburtsdaten, da im Traueintrag keine Altersangabe.
Er stammte aus dem Amt Schötmar/Lippe in der Grafschaft Lippe.
Da im KB Schötmar der FN Müller sehr zahlreich vertreten ist, ist
eine eindeutige Zuordnung zu Eltern nicht möglich.
Hier wäre es hilfreich zu wissen, ob die Zuwanderung zur damiligen
Zeit dokumentiert wurde. Verwaltungsmäßig
scheint Bunde im 18. Jhdt. zu Weener gehört haben.
Bin über jede Zuschrift, die zur Klärung beitragen kann dankbar.
Gruß
Manfred Fox
Date: 2008/01/22 23:00:53
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
Does anyone know the location of either or both of these places? The names appear in genealogy reports I have. I googled both names and got no hits, at least not as towns or villages. Kemme was referred to in a compilation of American aircraft that flew over Germany. One entry stated that one bomber went down 2 Km north of Kemme and 8 Km from Hildesheim. Thanks, Max
Date: 2008/01/22 23:06:44
From: Fred Kattau <fred(a)kattslair.com>
Try maps.google.com
Date: 2008/01/23 04:56:58
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Dear Armin, I didn't mean that his parents would have given him an eastern name...but that the clerk documenting ship record may have. Well anyway... Another reason for suggestions is: Minna Hattorff Ethnicity: Freestate of Danzig, German Last Place of Residence: Danzig, Freestate of Danzig ***(Today Gdansk)Date of Arrival: Dec 01, 1923 Age at Arrival: 73y <1850> Gender: F Marital Status: M Ship of Travel: Estonia Port of Departure: Danzig**** Manifest Line Number: 0006 Additional Information Birthplace - Labun Destination - Chicago, Illinois ********** U.S. Contact - Brother i. l. Paul Sachar, 418 Erie St. Chicago, IL. **** Foreign Contact - Son i.l. - Mrs.?/ Mr. S Hattorf?, Ulmenweg 13, Free State of Danzig.**** --------------------------------------------------- HATTORF, Hedwig & MarthaShip Morovia 18.May.1886 - Birthplace Labuhn* Hedwig - Age 26Martha - Age 31(Spelled Huttorf Castlegarden.org) I have copy the hand script page. --------------------- Marriage SCHRAMM, PAUL & HATTORFF, HEDWIG ******* 10/19/1886 00107745 COOK (Hedwig Hattorff-Schramm) MarriageHERTING, LOUIS & HATTORF, MARTHA ***** 10/23/1886 00107893 COOK DeathHERTING, LOUIS (Martha Hattorf Widow) 01/25/1893 CHICAGO 37 YR U 00006951 COOK MARRIAGESACHER, PAUL A H HERTING, MARTHA (MRS) **** 01/24/1899 / 287261 COOK [Martha Hattorf-Herting-Sacher] ---------------------------- SCHRAMM 1900 CENSUS IL COOK MAINE TWP *** Series: T623 Roll: 293 Page: 192 Paul- Birth - June 1854???? Hedwig - Birth - April 1860 ******GermanyMargaret?- Birth - October 1892 - WisconsinAnna - Birth - Jan. 1890 - Wisconsin ----------------------------------SCHRAMM 1910 CENSUSIL COOK MAINE TWP Series: T624 Roll: 239 Page: 66 Paul- 55 - Nat. 1882 - GermanyHedwig- 50 - Germany - 4 births - 2 children living Margaret - 17 - WisconsinAnna not listed in hh. ** Perhaps was on next page and I missed. ---------------------------- DANZIG - Gdansk ****1815-1871: Kingdom of Prussia *** <1850> (Minna Birth)1871-1918: German Reich (German Empire) <1886> (Hedwig & Martha Travel)1918-1939: Free City of Danzig **** <1923> (Minna Travel) --------------- Maybe look for Theodore departing from Port of Danzig. ------------ Perhaps baptismal record says Theodore Herting?? Martha Hattorf first Husband was a Louis Herting according to ILLMarriage Index. Warmest, Barbie-Lew > From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:25:00 -0500> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)> > > In einer eMail vom 19.01.2008 11:43:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:> > Re: Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)> > > > > > Hi Barbie> > Thanks for your thoughts. Yes i have been trying now to search for Labuhn. > Of course you know about the misspellings in the index. I wonder what > misspellings we will find for Labuhn ...... Lebuhn, Lebun, Lebum????? I have been > trying to look for POMMERN. Its unbelievable i have been changing my search > criteria to POM* and then i found Pomern, Pommnern, Pommeraiana not to forget all > variations with PAM, PUM and even PIM. > > The idea to look for a eastern version for Theodor is not so good. Even > today Pommern is a part of Poland .... at his time this was a part of Germany and > nobody did use names for kids that would sound EASTERN. His family must have > been coming from the Kingdom of Hannover one fine day in the eastern Part of > Germany.> > So i think i will never find him in the shiplist.> > Have a fine day> > Armin> > > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/
Date: 2008/01/23 09:06:38
From: Stefanie Illig <s.illig(a)yahoo.de>
Hallo, ich bin neu auf dieser Seite. Mein Name ist Stefanie Illig, ich wohne in Mönchengladbach. Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Paland, die Familie stammt aus Fredelsloh / Moringen. Mein Spitzenahn bisher ist: Johann Gottlieb Paland, geb. 7.5.1767, gest. 7.4.1814. Ich habe noch einige weitere Palands, die ich bisher noch nicht in einen Zusammenhang bringen kann. Wer weiß etwas darüber oder forscht auch in Fredelsloh ? In welchen Archiven wird man am besten fündig, die Kirchenbücher sollen zum großen Teil im Krieg verbrannt sein !? Viele Grüße Stefanie
Date: 2008/01/23 10:50:42
From: genealogie <genealogie(a)klauskunze.com>
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To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: [HN] Fredelsloh - Paland Hallo,ich bin neu auf dieser Seite. Mein Name ist Stefanie Illig, ich wohne in Mönchengladbach. Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Paland, die Familie stammt aus Fredelsloh / Moringen. Mein Spitzenahn bisher ist: Johann Gottlieb Paland, geb. 7.5.1767, gest. 7.4.1814. Ich habe noch einige weitere Palands, die ich bisher noch nicht in einen Zusammenhang bringen kann. Wer weiß etwas darüber oder forscht auch in Fredelsloh ? In welchen Archiven wird man am besten fündig, die Kirchenbücher sollen zum großen Teil im Krieg verbrannt sein !?
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Date: 2008/01/23 12:44:27
From: Hans Foerstemann <Hans.Foerstemann(a)T-Online.de>
"Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)charter.net> schrieb: > Does anyone know the location of either or both of these places? The names appear in genealogy reports I have. I googled both names and got no hits, at least not as towns or villages. Kemme was referred to in a compilation of American aircraft that flew over Germany. One entry stated that one bomber went down 2 Km north of Kemme and 8 Km from Hildesheim. > Thanks, Max > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > Hy Max A place called "Kemme" is now part of the village "Schellerten", which is about 10 km east of "Hildesheim" on Nat. Route B1. "Semmen" is unknown to me. Could it be "Semmenstedt", which is about 15 km south-east of "Wolfenbuettel" on Nat. Route 79, direction "Halberstadt"? Kind regards Hans Foerstemann
Date: 2008/01/23 16:42:56
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
Thank you Hans. The location of Kemme coincides with what I have and I believe 'Semme" is a mistranslation of Kemme. Max ---- Hans Foerstemann <Hans.Foerstemann(a)T-Online.de> wrote: > "Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)charter.net> schrieb: > > Does anyone know the location of either or both of these places? The names appear in genealogy reports I have. I googled both names and got no hits, at least not as towns or villages. Kemme was referred to in a compilation of American aircraft that flew over Germany. One entry stated that one bomber went down 2 Km north of Kemme and 8 Km from Hildesheim. > > Thanks, Max > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Hannover-L mailing list > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > > Hy Max > > A place called "Kemme" is now part of the village "Schellerten", which is about 10 km east of "Hildesheim" on Nat. Route B1. > > "Semmen" is unknown to me. Could it be "Semmenstedt", which is about 15 km south-east of "Wolfenbuettel" on Nat. Route 79, direction "Halberstadt"? > > Kind regards > > Hans Foerstemann > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/23 17:51:47
From: Michael Spanuth <michael.spanuth(a)t-online.de>
Kemmen is a small village (postal code 31174) a few miles north east of the city of Hildesheim at the transit road No. 1 from Hildesheim to the city of Braunschweig. I couldn't find Semmen but Semmenstedt (postal 38327) near cities of Wolfsburg and Braunschweig. Regards Michael (Spanuth), Hamburg. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Max Burgdorf Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008 22:59 An: Burgdorf Search Betreff: [HN] Kemme and Semmen Does anyone know the location of either or both of these places? The names appear in genealogy reports I have. I googled both names and got no hits, at least not as towns or villages. Kemme was referred to in a compilation of American aircraft that flew over Germany. One entry stated that one bomber went down 2 Km north of Kemme and 8 Km from Hildesheim. Thanks, Max ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/24 03:45:29
From: PD & LE Strong <plstrong(a)pnc.com.au>
http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/Ich bin von jedem möglichem Abstand in den Fredelsloh Aufzeichnungen wegen des Feuers ahnungslos. Ich hoffe zweifellos, daß es keinen Abstand gibt.
Jedoch sind die Moringen Kircheaufzeichnungen - Taufen, Verbindungen und Beerdigungen - von 1794, mit frühen Aufzeichnungen von 1601-1638 nur vorhanden. Die intervenierenden Aufzeichnungen lagen vermutlich an einem Feuer verlorenes. Jedoch sind die Bestätigung Listen von 1728 vorhanden und geben uns Informationen über die Kinder folglich, die von ca. geboren werden, 1714 vorwärts.
---- ENGLISH:The records from Moringen-Fredelsloh have been microfilmed and placed in the Kirchenbuchamt Hannover, Hildesheimer Str. 165/167, D - 30173 Hannover, http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/
I am unaware of any gap in the Fredelsloh records due to fire. I certainly hope that there is no gap.
However, the Moringen church records - baptisms, marriages and burials - are only available from 1794, with early records from 1601-1638. The intervening records were probably lost due to a fire. However, the confirmation lists are available from 1728 and thus give us information on children born from approx. 1714 onwards.
-------------- 23/1/08, Stefanie Illig schrieb DEUTSCH:
ich bin neu auf dieser Seite. Mein Name ist Stefanie Illig, ich wohne in Mönchengladbach. Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Paland, die Familie stammt aus Fredelsloh / Moringen. Mein Spitzenahn bisher ist: Johann Gottlieb Paland, geb. 7.5.1767, gest. 7.4.1814. Ich habe noch einige weitere Palands, die ich bisher noch nicht in einen Zusammenhang bringen kann. Wer weiß etwas darüber oder forscht auch in Fredelsloh ? In welchen Archiven wird man am besten fündig, die Kirchenbücher sollen zum großen Teil im Krieg verbrannt sein !?
---- ENGLISH:
I am new on this mailing list. My name is Stefanie Illig, I live in Moenchengladbach. My grandmother's maiden name was PALAND, The family originated from Fredelsloh/Moringen. The earliest ancestor which I have found so far is: Johann Gottlieb PALAND, b. 7.5.1767, d. 7.4.1814. I have found other PALANDs, but I don't know the nature of their relationship. Can someone advise me about researching in Fredelsloh? Which archives will give the best result, since most of the church records have been burnt during the war?
--**Philip Strong***Email:plstrong(a)pnc.com.au***Blue Mountains, Australia** Interest: WEDEMEYER / WEDEMEIER of Moringen-Fredelsloh, Goslar, Hannover Germany. Emigrant to Gayndah, Mt Perry, Drummers Creek, Yarrol, Walla, Bundaberg Queensland, Australia.
http://www.strong-family.org/wedemeyer/
Date: 2008/01/25 01:33:59
From: Rena McCarthy <rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net>
Hi John,Have you seen that the Morman church have some Salzgitter films. You can search the catalogue either by 'keyword' or 'place' on this webpage:-
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp The website gives details of nearest Morman Family History Centres.
The church archive below holds copies of the Salzgitter area church books. Ev.- Luth. Landeskirche in Braunschweig Landeskirchliches Archiv Ditrich-Bonhoeffer-Str. 1, 38300 Wolfenbüttel Postfach 1664, 38286 Wolfenbüttel Tel. 05331/802-197, Fax 05331/802-710 E-Mail: archiv(a)luth-braunschweig.de Web: www.luth-braunschweig.de Happy Hunting, Rena in England = From: "JOHN Illenberger" <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net> Subject: To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv? The information listed on their web site is outdated. I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser. Thanks!John Illenberger
Date: 2008/01/25 01:56:47
From: JOHN Illenberger <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net>
John Illenberger Crofton, Maryland (USA)----- Original Message ----- From: "Rena McCarthy" <rena.mackenzie(a)virgin.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: [HN] Church parishes Hi John, Have you seen that the Morman church have some Salzgitter films. You can search the catalogue either by 'keyword' or 'place' on this webpage:- http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp The website gives details of nearest Morman Family History Centres. The church archive below holds copies of the Salzgitter area church books. Ev.- Luth. Landeskirche in Braunschweig Landeskirchliches Archiv Ditrich-Bonhoeffer-Str. 1, 38300 Wolfenbüttel Postfach 1664, 38286 Wolfenbüttel Tel. 05331/802-197, Fax 05331/802-710 E-Mail: archiv(a)luth-braunschweig.de Web: www.luth-braunschweig.de Happy Hunting, Rena in England = From: "JOHN Illenberger" <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net> Subject: To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> Where do I find the correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv? The information listed on their web site is outdated. I'm interested in obtaining a list of parishes for Salzgitter and Nienburg am Weser, and obtaining copies of church records pertaining to my Kreymeyer ancestors from Salzgitter and my Günsch ancestors from Nienburg am Weser. Thanks! John Illenberger ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/25 12:24:21
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>
hallo Listies, Meine Forschungen in Bezug auf Auswanderer haben mir wieder einige Artikel mit Namenslisten von Auswanderern gebracht, die ich gerne auch anderen zur Verfügung stellen möchte. Die verschiedenen Artikel habe ich im Original als djvu-Datei oder pdf-Datei auf meiner Homepage bereitgestellt. Die Seiten findet ihr unter: http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/html/auswanderer.html Freundliche Grüße Rainer [Dörry] -- Rainer Doerry, Paradiesstr. 28, 65396 Walluf Tel.: 06123-993221 - Handy: 0173-3100315 Fax: 01212-6-724-63-7363 email: rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/
Date: 2008/01/25 12:57:10
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>
hallo Listies, Sorry, hatte Betreff nicht geändert. Meine Forschungen in Bezug auf Auswanderer haben mir wieder einige Artikel mit Namenslisten von Auswanderern gebracht, die ich gerne auch anderen zur Verfügung stellen möchte. Die verschiedenen Artikel habe ich im Original als djvu-Datei oder pdf-Datei auf meiner Homepage bereitgestellt. Die Seiten findet ihr unter: http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/html/auswanderer.html Freundliche Grüße Rainer [Dörry] -- Rainer Doerry, Paradiesstr. 28, 65396 Walluf Tel.: 06123-993221 - Handy: 0173-3100315 Fax: 01212-6-724-63-7363 email: rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/
Date: 2008/01/25 12:58:17
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>
hallo Listies, Meine Forschungen in Bezug auf Auswanderer haben mir wieder einige Artikel mit Namenslisten von Auswanderern gebracht, die ich gerne auch anderen zur Verfügung stellen möchte. Die verschiedenen Artikel habe ich im Original als djvu-Datei oder pdf-Datei auf meiner Homepage bereitgestellt. Die Seiten findet ihr unter: http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/html/auswanderer.html Freundliche Grüße Rainer [Dörry] -- Rainer Doerry, Paradiesstr. 28, 65396 Walluf Tel.: 06123-993221 - Handy: 0173-3100315 Fax: 01212-6-724-63-7363 email: rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/
Date: 2008/01/25 20:16:11
From: Pam Sullivan <hope9(a)comcast.net>
Dear Listeners and John Illenberger johnillenberger at verizon.net For Lutherische kirche Hannover Salzgitter Nienburg Kreymeyer am Wese copies of church records pertaining to Kreymeyer and Where to find ...correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv? The information listed on their web site is outdated. Please see -- Extensive church information dated 2004 at German site http://www.archive.nrw.de/archivar/2004-02/Archivar_2004-2.pdf My German is too poor to direct you to the exact page. Good Luck, Pam Homeyer Sullivan Arkansas USA -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l- Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:02 AM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 50, Eintrag 48
Date: 2008/01/25 20:55:36
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
Hello, the E-Mail address for the church records is www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/ Regards Wilfried (Petersen) "Pam Sullivan" <hope9(a)comcast.net> schrieb: > Dear Listeners and John Illenberger johnillenberger at > verizon.net > > For Lutherische kirche Hannover Salzgitter Nienburg Kreymeyer am Wese > copies of church records pertaining to Kreymeyer > and > Where to find ...correct address (and e-mail address) for the > Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv? > The information listed on their web site is outdated. >
Date: 2008/01/26 01:22:03
From: JOHN Illenberger <johnillenberger(a)verizon.net>
Wilfried, this web site is where I sent the e-mail from - both times! John Illenberger----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Landeskirche address Hello, the E-Mail address for the church records is www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/ Regards Wilfried (Petersen) "Pam Sullivan" <hope9(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
Dear Listeners and John Illenberger johnillenberger at verizon.net For Lutherische kirche Hannover Salzgitter Nienburg Kreymeyer am Wese copies of church records pertaining to Kreymeyer and Where to find ...correct address (and e-mail address) for the Evangelisch-Lutherische Landeskirche Hannover, Landeskirchliches Archiv? The information listed on their web site is outdated.
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Date: 2008/01/26 05:47:02
From: rwrede(a)juno.com <rwrede(a)juno.com>
Viele Gruesse! I have a genealogy of Familie Wrede from Stinstedt back to 1638. On the sheet there is a phrase 'Martin Wrede als Inhaber eines Vollhofes. I'm not too clear as to how to translate Vollhofes. If I split the word, the phrase would mean something like 'as a holder of a complete or full farmyard.' Am I correct? Danke Richard Wrede _____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Legal Assistant. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oh5iDf3f3SRzNDO9E7Xp1hLtXpNzJnrIGQSb6iMAkvWWY3F/
Date: 2008/01/26 05:48:48
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Dear Armin, Came upon in the online Illinois Death Index. Of course this Theodore if age is correct in the index..would have been born circa 1837. And of course the surname is different but I think would appear similar to Hattorff in hand scribe records. HALDORFF, THEODORE C 07/29/1891 CHICAGO 54 YR U 00005949 COOK Warmest, Barbie-Lew > From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:25:00 -0500> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)> > > In einer eMail vom 19.01.2008 11:43:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:> > Re: Theodor Hattorff (Cactus Flower)> > > > > > Hi Barbie> > Thanks for your thoughts. Yes i have been trying now to search for Labuhn. > Of course you know about the misspellings in the index. I wonder what > misspellings we will find for Labuhn ...... Lebuhn, Lebun, Lebum????? I have been > trying to look for POMMERN. Its unbelievable i have been changing my search > criteria to POM* and then i found Pomern, Pommnern, Pommeraiana not to forget all > variations with PAM, PUM and even PIM. > > The idea to look for a eastern version for Theodor is not so good. Even > today Pommern is a part of Poland .... at his time this was a part of Germany and > nobody did use names for kids that would sound EASTERN. His family must have > been coming from the Kingdom of Hannover one fine day in the eastern Part of > Germany.> > So i think i will never find him in the shiplist.> > Have a fine day> > Armin> > > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
Date: 2008/01/26 06:50:00
From: Bernd Salewski <salewski.hambergen(a)ewetel.net>
Hi richard, You are right. Your ancestor rent the farm by "Meierrecht". Bernd----- Original Message ----- From: <rwrede(a)juno.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 5:44 AM Subject: [HN] Short translation help
Viele Gruesse!I have a genealogy of Familie Wrede from Stinstedt back to 1638. On the sheet there is a phrase 'Martin Wrede als Inhaber eines Vollhofes. I'm not too clear as to how to translate Vollhofes. If I split the word, the phrase would mean something like 'as a holder of a complete or full farmyard.' Am I correct?Danke Richard Wrede _____________________________________________________________ Free information on becoming a Legal Assistant. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oh5iDf3f3SRzNDO9E7Xp1hLtXpNzJnrIGQSb6iMAkvWWY3F/ ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Date: 2008/01/26 07:07:19
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
At first AIDA to search emmigration archives of Hamburg. Would one of you be so kind to send along the link or address to this website. I lost all my "favorites and book marks" Thank you Jo Meyer _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx
Date: 2008/01/26 12:31:19
From: Nikolaus Ordemann <i.u.n.ordemann(a)unitybox.de>
jo,
At first AIDA to search emmigration archives of Hamburg. Would one of you be so kind to send along the link or address to this website. I lost all my "favorites and book marks"
here it is: http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/ Regards Nikolaus -- Nikolaus Ordemann The Ordemann/Ordeman Genealogy: http://privat.genealogy.net/ordemann
Date: 2008/01/26 14:15:05
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Barbie Thanks for your help. Yes unfortunately this Theodore Haldorff is 20 years too young, but you are right. Haldorff would be a perfect misspelling for Hattorff. Usually in Germany they spell it as Hattdorf or something like that. And the question is of course .... did Theodore ever came back to Germ any???? His year of birth is about 1818, so he was 72 years old as he came to the USA as a visitor. It would be no big surprise finding him buried in Illinois, but where???? perhaps in Cook, Chicago area. I will try a thousands time to find him in the shiplist i have tried all and i have even been looking the complete ship list of the year 1890. I cant find him. Have a fine weekend Armin By the way the Ilinois death index.... do they have it at ancestry.com???
Date: 2008/01/26 14:24:18
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste,
kann mir jemand bei der Suche nach den Daten der Eltern von Richard Robert Albert Buchterkirchen
* 03.08.1899 Astfeld - Goslar
+ 30.08.1969 Hahausen - Seesen
weiter helfen.
Gruß Klaus Kunze
Date: 2008/01/26 15:03:56
From: Heiko Ahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>
Moin, ich bin neu in der Liste. Ich wohne in Oldenburg i.O., wo auch die meisten meiner Vorfahren herkommen. Ein kleinerer Teil der Ahnen stammt aus Ostfriesland - und eben einige aus dem Hannöverschen. Heute suche ich Näheres zu Vorfahren und Verwandten von Heinrich Christoph Dietrich Hemme, geb. 18.4.1863 in Marbostel b. Wietzendorf, gest. 19.2.1919 in Wietzendorf. Seine Eltern waren wohl Peter Hemme, Häusling in Marbostel, und Catharine Marie Helms. Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht Heiko Ahlers
Date: 2008/01/26 17:43:39
From: JoyceKLeMayLoden <JoyceKLeMayLoden(a)aol.com>
Dear List, We are the descendants of Joshua Dederick or Jochim Dietrick or Dieterick Lohden or Looten, he was born 24 Apr 1789 in Badenstedt. Electorate of Hannover, Deutshland. from LDS we thought he was born in Germany in 1784 and married Sarah Hogg born 6 if Feb 1796. Joshua Lohden was born in 1820, in London, Middlesex, England. He came to USA in early 1800. in 1860 Roane Co,Tn census our Charlie Francis Lohden/Loden was born in 1853. He was Christening; 26 Apr. 1789 , Zeven, Electorate of Hannover, Deutshland. am i in the right place? Thank you, Joyce Loden **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)
Date: 2008/01/26 18:22:00
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>
Joyce Loden, Badenstedt was in the parish of Zeven. I have access to the LDS microfilm of the Zeven church records. Is there something I can look up for you? It looks like you have birth and baptismal dates. Paul Scheele > -----Original Message----- > From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l- > bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of JoyceKLeMayLoden(a)aol.com > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:29 AM > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: [HN] Dear List > > > > Dear List, > > > We are the descendants of Joshua Dederick or Jochim Dietrick or Dieterick > Lohden or Looten, he was born 24 Apr 1789 in Badenstedt. Electorate of > Hannover, Deutshland. > > from LDS we thought he was born in Germany in 1784 and married Sarah Hogg > born 6 if Feb 1796. > > Joshua Lohden was born in 1820, in London, Middlesex, England. He came > to > USA in early 1800. in 1860 Roane Co,Tn census our Charlie Francis > Lohden/Loden > was born in 1853. > > > He was Christening; 26 Apr. 1789 , Zeven, Electorate of Hannover, > Deutshland. > am i in the right place? > > Thank you, > Joyce Loden > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a- > grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/26 19:33:08
From: Uli GMX <UBudler(a)gmx.de>
Dear Joyce, I send you the informations about you ancesters. It is a word doc. Many greatings Uli from Achim----- Original Message ----- From: <JoyceKLeMayLoden(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: [HN] Dear List Dear List, We are the descendants of Joshua Dederick or Jochim Dietrick or Dieterick Lohden or Looten, he was born 24 Apr 1789 in Badenstedt. Electorate of Hannover, Deutshland. from LDS we thought he was born in Germany in 1784 and married Sarah Hogg born 6 if Feb 1796. Joshua Lohden was born in 1820, in London, Middlesex, England. He came toUSA in early 1800. in 1860 Roane Co,Tn census our Charlie Francis Lohden/Loden
was born in 1853.He was Christening; 26 Apr. 1789 , Zeven, Electorate of Hannover, Deutshland.
am i in the right place? Thank you, Joyce Loden **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/26 19:34:33
From: Uli GMX <UBudler(a)gmx.de>
Hi Joyce, I forgot the document. Sorry!!!! Uli----- Original Message ----- From: <JoyceKLeMayLoden(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: [HN] Dear List Dear List, We are the descendants of Joshua Dederick or Jochim Dietrick or Dieterick Lohden or Looten, he was born 24 Apr 1789 in Badenstedt. Electorate of Hannover, Deutshland. from LDS we thought he was born in Germany in 1784 and married Sarah Hogg born 6 if Feb 1796. Joshua Lohden was born in 1820, in London, Middlesex, England. He came toUSA in early 1800. in 1860 Roane Co,Tn census our Charlie Francis Lohden/Loden
was born in 1853.He was Christening; 26 Apr. 1789 , Zeven, Electorate of Hannover, Deutshland.
am i in the right place? Thank you, Joyce Loden **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/26 19:45:32
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>
Uli GMX schrieb:
Hi Joyce, I forgot the document. Sorry!!!! Uli
Hello Uli GMXit is not possible to send attachments via the list. You have to send it either directly to Joyce or you have to copy the content to the mail body
hth Heinz -- Spezial-Bibliothek des Niedersächsischen Landesvereins f. Familienkunde; Hannover, Glockseestr. 35; neue Öffnungszeiten: Mittwochs 15.00 Uhr - 18.00 Uhr und jeden ersten Samstag im Monat von 10.00h bis 15.00h (an Feiertagen am darauf folgenden Samstag)
Date: 2008/01/26 20:59:33
From: Jim Mark <jmark(a)comcast.net>
I am looking for any information and pedigree of Henry (Heinrich) Kasten who was born in 1825 in Hannover, Germany. We don't know any particular city or location. He emigrated to America sometime before 1857 and ended up in St. Louis Missori. He was married and wife's name was Elizabeth (Elizabetha). They had nine children, Henry, Anna, Charles, Louis, Grace, Emily, William, Gustave, and Edward. If you have any information relative to this family please reply. Thanks Jim
Date: 2008/01/27 00:11:39
From: Markus Wienecke <info(a)mwnetwork.de>
Sehr geehrte Forscherkollegen, ich bin bei meinen Forschungen an einem Punkt angelangt, wo ich eure Hilfe brauche. Die Spur meines Vorfahren Georg Christian (Christoph) Wienecke verliert sich vor 1771 in Brandenburg. Er lebte von 1771, seiner 2. Trauung, bis zu seinem Tode 1792 in Toppel / Prignitz. Er ist aber vorher in der Gegend nicht verzeichnet. Einen Hinweis auf den Geburtsort oder die Eltern gibt es nicht. Die Angaben zu seinem Geburtsdatum sind ebenfalls nicht ganz klar. Er muss aber in der Zeit zwischen 1722 und 1728 geboren sein. Es wurden bereits viele Kirchenbücher der betreffenden Gegend ohne Erfolg durchsucht. Über die Mailinglisten Brandenburg und Sachsen-Anhalt habe ich auch nichts erreicht. Möglicherweise hat jemand hier in seiner Ahnenliste oder einer Nebenlinie meine gesuchte Person. Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar. Vielen Dank im Voraus. Grüße Markus Wienecke aus Bayern -- Immer auf der Suche nach WIENECKE, Brendahl, Mangelsdorf, Börs
Date: 2008/01/27 03:43:20
From: Steve Bruer <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net>
Like many others, I am trying to find the provenance of an ancestor. I've been working on this in my spare time for a little over a year and it's been a lot of fun. The ancestor I am researching is my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. He emigrated from Hannover to St. Louis, Missouri in 1849. Two years later he married Sophia Haunold and took up residence at 1314 Benton Street, on the north side of the City of St. Louis, Missouri, where they lived until Heinrich's death in 1904. I have a copy of a sheet from the "Register of Deaths for the City of St. Louis" for 23 February 1868, which indicates an Andreas Bruer, born in Germany, died at the age 72, passed away while living at 1314 Benton Street, St. Louis, Missouri...the residence of my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. This Andreas Bruer is old enough to be Heinrich's father. I also have a copy of a page from "Auswanderelisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums, Braunschweig, 1846-1871" by Fritz Gruhne that lists the following: " Bruer Andreas, Brinksitzer in Baddeckenstedt, Sohn des Brinksitzer Andreas Bruer und der Dorothee Dowe, married Oelber 16.11.1851 mit Wittkop, Joh. Sophie Elisabeth, born 2.12.1824, Tochter des Kotsassen Heinrich Wittkop und der Friederike Huter. Deren Kinder: 'lists their children and their birthdates'". I also have a copy of the passenger list that has Andreas Bruer (the son) and his family arriving in New York on 11 Jun 1867. Andreas (Andrew) and his family are listed in the 1870 US Census living is St. Louis, Missouri. In the Census, this Andreas is listed as being 49 years old. Maybe Heinrich's brother? The "St. Louis City Directory for 1870" lists Andrew Bruer living at 1311 Benton Street, which is across the street from Heinrich Bruer. The website for the Western Lutheran Cemetery in St. Louis lists an Andreas Bruer and Sophia Bruer buried there on 22 Feb 1888 and 07 Mar 1897, respectively. So, I think it is reasonable to hypothesize (for purposes of my research) that the elder Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's father and the younger Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's brother. My question to the list members is: What records should I look to in the Baddeckenstedt/Wolfenbuttel/Braunschweig area that might provide proof that the Andreas's and Heinrich are related? Which I hope could also indicate that Heinrich Bruer is from Baddeckenstedt. Thanks! Steve Bruer
Date: 2008/01/27 06:37:26
From: DKnoepfel <DKnoepfel(a)aol.com>
This is not Hannover but in Hinterpommern. I hope someone may be able to help. Marie Caroline Frederike Wilm was born 8 March 1853 in Belgard, Hinterpommern, baptized on 17 March 1853. I would like to lean the name of her parent's. It is possible her father was Johann Wilm. I would be grateful for any help. Thank you Don Knoepfel **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)
Date: 2008/01/27 11:22:02
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>
Hallo, möglicherweise eine Frage an die Militär-Experten; aus einem Brief von 1928 habe ich folgende Information (Text in [] von mir ergänzt): | Ich weiß nicht genau, ob der Böttcher Friedrich Fuhse | [* Westerhof, 14.11.1810, + daselbst am 27.1.1888] ein | Bruder war von unseren Großvater | [Christian Heinrich Ludolf Fuhse, * Westerhof am 2.3.1808, | + daselbst am 22.6.1851], denn der frühere Polizei | Commissar in Hannover, war unseres Vaters Onkel. | Wie der Kommisar in seinen jungen Jahren in Goslar bei | Den Jägern diente / 48 auch den Feldzug in Holstein | mitmachte, ist Tante Ferdinande mit der alten Großmutter | Fuhse oft nach Goslar gegangen und ihm Wäsche hingebracht, | mußten dann 6 Stunden marschieren, wie Sie erzählte. Ja, damals konnte man nicht einfach ins Auto oder den Bus steigen ;-))Ich suche alle Informationen zu dem genannten Kommissar, auch zu seiner Dienstzeit bei den Goslarer Jägern.
Gruß aus Schleswig-Holstein Heinz -- Spezial-Bibliothek des Niedersächsischen Landesvereins f. Familienkunde; Hannover, Glockseestr. 35; neue Öffnungszeiten: Mittwochs 15.00 Uhr - 18.00 Uhr und jeden ersten Samstag im Monat von 10.00h bis 15.00h (an Feiertagen am darauf folgenden Samstag)
Date: 2008/01/27 11:48:47
From: M.Ellguth <michaela.ellguth(a)arcor.de>
Liebe Listenmitglieder, ich erlaube mir, auf meine neu eingestellte Homepage hinzuweisen. Unter Familie findet man einen Link, unter dem alle, bei mir vorhandenen Familiennamen sowie weiterführende Links, veröffentlicht sind. Derzeit besteht die Darstellung aus rund 23.000 Personen und 7.000 Familiennamen. Viele Grüße Michaela (Ellguth) http://www.ahnenforschung-ellguth.de/
Date: 2008/01/27 15:01:15
From: JoyceKLeMayLoden <JoyceKLeMayLoden(a)aol.com>
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Date: 2008/01/27 18:26:45
From: Detlef Kohrs <dekohrs(a)yahoo.de>
Hallo Markus,
lese gerade etwas über Wienecke. Ich habe auch einige Wieneckes in meiner Ahnenliste:
Friedericke Wilhelmine Wienecke 1851-1923
Friedrich Wilhelm Wienecke, 1795-
Julius Wienecke
alles aus der Nähe von Northeim.
Vielleicht haben wir Berührungspunkte.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Detlef Kohrs
dekohrs(a)yahoo.de
----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: Markus Wienecke <info(a)mwnetwork.de>
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
CC: niederelbe-l(a)genealogy.net
Gesendet: Sonntag, den 27. Januar 2008, 00:11:35 Uhr
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke
Sehr
geehrte
Forscherkollegen,
ich
bin
bei
meinen
Forschungen
an
einem
Punkt
angelangt,
wo
ich
eure
Hilfe
brauche.
Die
Spur
meines
Vorfahren
Georg
Christian
(Christoph)
Wienecke
verliert
sich
vor
1771
in
Brandenburg.
Er
lebte
von
1771,
seiner
2.
Trauung,
bis
zu
seinem
Tode
1792
in
Toppel
/
Prignitz.
Er
ist
aber
vorher
in
der
Gegend
nicht
verzeichnet.
Einen
Hinweis
auf
den
Geburtsort
oder
die
Eltern
gibt
es
nicht.
Die
Angaben
zu
seinem
Geburtsdatum
sind
ebenfalls
nicht
ganz
klar.
Er
muss
aber
in
der
Zeit
zwischen
1722
und
1728
geboren
sein.
Es
wurden
bereits
viele
Kirchenbücher
der
betreffenden
Gegend
ohne
Erfolg
durchsucht.
Über
die
Mailinglisten
Brandenburg
und
Sachsen-Anhalt
habe
ich
auch
nichts
erreicht.
Möglicherweise
hat
jemand
hier
in
seiner
Ahnenliste
oder
einer
Nebenlinie
meine
gesuchte
Person.
Ich
bin
für
jeden
Hinweis
dankbar.
Vielen
Dank
im
Voraus.
Grüße
Markus
Wienecke
aus
Bayern
--
Immer
auf
der
Suche
nach
WIENECKE,
Brendahl,
Mangelsdorf,
Börs
______________________________________________
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Date: 2008/01/27 18:35:21
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>
Detlef Kohrs schrieb:
Hallo Markus, lese gerade etwas über Wienecke. Ich habe auch einige Wieneckes in meiner Ahnenliste: Friedericke Wilhelmine Wienecke 1851-1923 Friedrich Wilhelm Wienecke, 1795- Julius Wienecke alles aus der Nähe von Northeim. Vielleicht haben wir Berührungspunkte.
Hallo Detlef,ich habe Wi[e]necke in Kalefeld, mit Herkunft aus Naensen - eventuell bestehen da vermutlich eher Berührungspunkte.
Gruß aus Schleswig-Holstein Heinz -- Spezial-Bibliothek des Niedersächsischen Landesvereins f. Familienkunde; Hannover, Glockseestr. 35; neue Öffnungszeiten: Mittwochs 15.00 Uhr - 18.00 Uhr und jeden ersten Samstag im Monat von 10.00h bis 15.00h (an Feiertagen am darauf folgenden Samstag)
Date: 2008/01/27 18:41:58
From: Markus Wienecke <info(a)mwnetwork.de>
Hallo,
vielen Dank für die Mail. Wenn es Berührungspunkte gibt, dann weit vor 1750.
Denn danach sind meine Wieneckes lückenlos in Brandenburg nachweisbar. Um
aber in die fragliche Zeit vorstoßen zu können, muss ich erst einmal
herausfinden, wo mein ältester Vorfahre etwa 1723 geboren wurde. Und da hakt
es im Moment.
Gruß Markus Wienecke
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Detlef Kohrs
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2008 18:27
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke
Hallo Markus,
lese gerade etwas über Wienecke. Ich habe auch einige Wieneckes in meiner
Ahnenliste:
Friedericke Wilhelmine Wienecke 1851-1923
Friedrich Wilhelm Wienecke, 1795-
Julius Wienecke
alles aus der Nähe von Northeim.
Vielleicht haben wir Berührungspunkte.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Detlef Kohrs
dekohrs(a)yahoo.de
----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: Markus Wienecke <info(a)mwnetwork.de>
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
CC: niederelbe-l(a)genealogy.net
Gesendet: Sonntag, den 27. Januar 2008, 00:11:35 Uhr
Betreff: [HN] Suche nach Wienecke
Sehr
geehrte
Forscherkollegen,
ich
bin
bei
meinen
Forschungen
an
einem
Punkt
angelangt,
wo
ich
eure
Hilfe
brauche.
Die
Spur
meines
Vorfahren
Georg
Christian
(Christoph)
Wienecke
verliert
sich
vor
1771
in
Brandenburg.
Er
lebte
von
1771,
seiner
2.
Trauung,
bis
zu
seinem
Tode
1792
in
Toppel
/
Prignitz.
Er
ist
aber
vorher
in
der
Gegend
nicht
verzeichnet.
Einen
Hinweis
auf
den
Geburtsort
oder
die
Eltern
gibt
es
nicht.
Die
Angaben
zu
seinem
Geburtsdatum
sind
ebenfalls
nicht
ganz
klar.
Er
muss
aber
in
der
Zeit
zwischen
1722
und
1728
geboren
sein.
Es
wurden
bereits
viele
Kirchenbücher
der
betreffenden
Gegend
ohne
Erfolg
durchsucht.
Über
die
Mailinglisten
Brandenburg
und
Sachsen-Anhalt
habe
ich
auch
nichts
erreicht.
Möglicherweise
hat
jemand
hier
in
seiner
Ahnenliste
oder
einer
Nebenlinie
meine
gesuchte
Person.
Ich
bin
für
jeden
Hinweis
dankbar.
Vielen
Dank
im
Voraus.
Grüße
Markus
Wienecke
aus
Bayern
--
Immer
auf
der
Suche
nach
WIENECKE,
Brendahl,
Mangelsdorf,
Börs
______________________________________________
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mailing
list
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Date: 2008/01/28 05:50:56
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
Hi Don:
I have the address of the "Pommern-L" list.
[1]http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/pommern-l
Secondly here is an URL which you might find interesting:
[2]http://ruegenwalde.com/pommern/index.htm
Belgard is both a Kreis (kinda like a county) and city. If your
references are to the city you may be lucky. If the reference is to
the Kreis, you have a problem, as there are +- 130 cities, villiages,
towns, etc. in the Krreis of Belgard.
You indicated that you have some baptismal information. Do you that
the name of the town or parish? That would be a big help.
The Family History Center/LDS has a number of items for Belgard, both
the city and Kreis. I also noted that there information for Belgard
in Kreis Lauenburg, so this expands your area of search.
Not much help, am I?
Gale
On Jan 26, 2008, DKnoepfel(a)aol.com wrote:
This is not Hannover but in Hinterpommern. I hope someone may be
able to
help.
Marie Caroline Frederike Wilm was born 8 March 1853 in Belgard,
Hinterpommern, baptized on 17 March 1853. I would like to lean
the name of her parent's.
It is possible her father was Johann Wilm. I would be grateful
for any
help. Thank you
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Date: 2008/01/28 15:58:51
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
I received this comment on my family tree about a headstone picture: dass ist voll traurih, aber hüpbsch My translating abilities are limited. Does it read something like: That is very sad, but is nicely done? Janice Thiele Seiler
Date: 2008/01/28 16:49:49
From: Heiko Ahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>
Nicely done; but I would rather translate "hübsch" with "pretty" instead of "nicely done". Similar meaning, tho. Heiko Ahlers "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> schrieb: >I received this comment on my family tree about a headstone picture: > >dass ist voll traurih, aber hüpbsch > >My translating abilities are limited. Does it read something like: That is very sad, but is nicely done? > >Janice Thiele Seiler >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
Date: 2008/01/28 16:59:20
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
Thank you Heiko. We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas. Any relatives there that you know of? Janice -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Heiko Ahlers Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:48 AM To: Hannover-L Subject: Re: [HN] translation help Nicely done; but I would rather translate "hübsch" with "pretty" instead of "nicely done". Similar meaning, tho. Heiko Ahlers "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> schrieb: >I received this comment on my family tree about a headstone picture: > >dass ist voll traurih, aber hüpbsch > >My translating abilities are limited. Does it read something like: That is very sad, but is nicely done? > >Janice Thiele Seiler >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/28 17:31:53
From: Madelin Page <madelinlina(a)yahoo.com>
On 6 January 1719 in the Westfeld parish
Wrisbergholzen Anna Doreathe Rasch was married 'im
Kranze". I have been told this means married in a
girdle of flowers. This symbolized that she was
unmarried but not a virgin. Could anyone give me more
information about this practice? Madelin Page
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Date: 2008/01/28 19:53:52
From: Heiko Ahlers <HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de>
No, I have not yet found any Ahlers ancestors that went to the US - the name is quite common around here (Oldenburg), and I even met some Ahlers from NY back in the 60's - but no relationship so far. Heiko "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> schrieb: >Thank you Heiko. We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas. Any relatives there that you know of? > >Janice >
Date: 2008/01/28 21:16:09
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
Steve, have you gone to Family search and looked at what film they have on the places you want to look at? This is rather basic and you have probably done that already. If you haven't, take a look there and if promising order the available film. I have looked at records from Baddeckensted and if I recall the civil and evangelical church records go back only to the 1870's. But you may verify. My ggrandfather indicated in his Hamburg emmigration records that his last place of origin was Baddeckensted. He emigrated in 1859 and I could not find any evidence of records for that year in Baddeckenstedt. Let us know what you come up with . Max ---- Steve Bruer <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> wrote: > Like many others, I am trying to find the provenance of an ancestor. I've been working on this in my spare time for a little over a year and it's been a lot of fun. > > The ancestor I am researching is my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. He emigrated from Hannover to St. Louis, Missouri in 1849. Two years later he married Sophia Haunold and took up residence at 1314 Benton Street, on the north side of the City of St. Louis, Missouri, where they lived until Heinrich's death in 1904. > > I have a copy of a sheet from the "Register of Deaths for the City of St. Louis" for 23 February 1868, which indicates an Andreas Bruer, born in Germany, died at the age 72, passed away while living at 1314 Benton Street, St. Louis, Missouri...the residence of my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. This Andreas Bruer is old enough to be Heinrich's father. > > I also have a copy of a page from "Auswanderelisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums, Braunschweig, 1846-1871" by Fritz Gruhne that lists the following: > > " Bruer Andreas, Brinksitzer in Baddeckenstedt, Sohn des Brinksitzer Andreas Bruer und der Dorothee Dowe, married Oelber 16.11.1851 mit Wittkop, Joh. Sophie Elisabeth, born 2.12.1824, Tochter des Kotsassen Heinrich Wittkop und der Friederike Huter. Deren Kinder: 'lists their children and their birthdates'". > > I also have a copy of the passenger list that has Andreas Bruer (the son) and his family arriving in New York on 11 Jun 1867. Andreas (Andrew) and his family are listed in the 1870 US Census living is St. Louis, Missouri. In the Census, this Andreas is listed as being 49 years old. Maybe Heinrich's brother? The "St. Louis City Directory for 1870" lists Andrew Bruer living at 1311 Benton Street, which is across the street from Heinrich Bruer. The website for the Western Lutheran Cemetery in St. Louis lists an Andreas Bruer and Sophia Bruer buried there on 22 Feb 1888 and 07 Mar 1897, respectively. > > So, I think it is reasonable to hypothesize (for purposes of my research) that the elder Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's father and the younger Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's brother. > > My question to the list members is: What records should I look to in the Baddeckenstedt/Wolfenbuttel/Braunschweig area that might provide proof that the Andreas's and Heinrich are related? Which I hope could also indicate that Heinrich Bruer is from Baddeckenstedt. > > Thanks! > > Steve Bruer > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/28 21:53:14
From: vsgs <vsgs(a)optonline.net>
I wonder if the spelling could have been changed in the Woodhaven area of Queens,NY to Ehlers. Many years ago when I went to St Lukes Lutheran church there. some folk had that name. Ghyll ----- Original Message ----- From: HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de (Heiko Ahlers) Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [HN] translation help To: Hannover-L > > No, I have not yet found any Ahlers ancestors that went to the > US - the name is quite common around here (Oldenburg), and I > even met some Ahlers from NY back in the 60's - but no > relationship so far. > > Heiko > > "Janice Seiler" schrieb: > >Thank you Heiko. We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas. > Any relatives there that you know of? > > > >Janice > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
Date: 2008/01/28 22:37:29
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Passe-G=F6llner, _Katja?= <Katja.Passe-Goellner(a)fujitsu-siemens.com>
Hallo zusammen, als neues Listenmitglied möchte ich mich kurz vorstellen. Ich heiße Katja Passe-Göllner, bin 32 Jahre alt und beschäftige mich seit mehreren Jahren mit der Erforschung meiner Familiengeschichte. Mein derzeitiger Schwerpunkt liegt im Raum Hildesheim, wo ich nähere Daten suche zu: Johann Jacob BAXMANN * vermutl. um 1760 Kaufmann in Hildesheim. Sein Sohn: Karl Friedrich BAXMANN * 01.10.1793 vermutl. in Hildesheim, Gutsadministrator, später Gutspächter auf dem Schäferhof (zur Hinnenburg) bei Brakel, Kr. Höxter. Heirat am 26.04.1829 in Brakel (Kr. Höxter) mit Maria Christine Therese WALDEYER * 03.03.1804 Schmechten bei Brakel (Kr. Höxter), + 26.07.1859. Hat jemand nähere Infos zu Johann Jacob und/oder Karl Friedrich? Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar. Viele Grüße, Katja (Passe-Göllner) aus Celle
Date: 2008/01/28 23:48:02
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>
Hallo Katja, selbst habe ich keine Baxmann, aber versuch doch einmal http://gedbas.genealogy.net/ GedBas: Suchergebnis Treffer 1-93 alles Baxmann Gruß Klaus (Riecken) www.Riecken-online.de----- Original Message ----- From: "Passe-Göllner, Katja" <Katja.Passe-Goellner(a)fujitsu-siemens.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: [HN] Neuvorstellung und Suche BAXMANN in Hildesheim Hallo zusammen, als neues Listenmitglied möchte ich mich kurz vorstellen.Ich heiße Katja Passe-Göllner, bin 32 Jahre alt und beschäftige mich seit mehreren Jahren mit der Erforschung meiner Familiengeschichte.
Mein derzeitiger Schwerpunkt liegt im Raum Hildesheim, wo ich nähere Daten suche zu:
Johann Jacob BAXMANN * vermutl. um 1760 Kaufmann in Hildesheim. Sein Sohn: Karl Friedrich BAXMANN * 01.10.1793 vermutl. in Hildesheim,Gutsadministrator, später Gutspächter auf dem Schäferhof (zur Hinnenburg) bei Brakel, Kr. Höxter.
Heirat am 26.04.1829 in Brakel (Kr. Höxter) mit Maria Christine Therese WALDEYER * 03.03.1804 Schmechten bei Brakel (Kr. Höxter), + 26.07.1859. Hat jemand nähere Infos zu Johann Jacob und/oder Karl Friedrich? Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar. Viele Grüße, Katja (Passe-Göllner) aus Celle ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.nethttp://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/29 00:09:29
From: Steve Bruer <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net>
Max,Thank you. I did check the Family Search (LDS) website and found three records available through that source:
1) Kirchenbuch duplikat, 1853-1874, Evangelische Kirche Baddeckenstedt 2) Zivilstanregister, 1810-1812, Baddeckenstedt 3) Brandkataster, 1749-1934, Harburg/Elbe, Landschaftliche BrandkasseAlthough the Zivilstanregister, 1810-1812, covers a period prior to Heinrich Bruer's birth, it may place the father Andreas in Baddeckenstedt. Not sure what the Brandkataster is, but I'll order these through the local LDS Family History Center and see what I can find.
Thanks again! Steve Bruer----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Cc: "Steve Bruer" <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Bruer from Baddeckenstedt
Steve, have you gone to Family search and looked at what film they have on the places you want to look at? This is rather basic and you have probably done that already. If you haven't, take a look there and if promising order the available film. I have looked at records from Baddeckensted and if I recall the civil and evangelical church records go back only to the 1870's. But you may verify. My ggrandfather indicated in his Hamburg emmigration records that his last place of origin was Baddeckensted. He emigrated in 1859 and I could not find any evidence of records for that year in Baddeckenstedt.Let us know what you come up with . Max ---- Steve Bruer <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> wrote:Like many others, I am trying to find the provenance of an ancestor. I've been working on this in my spare time for a little over a year and it's been a lot of fun.The ancestor I am researching is my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. He emigrated from Hannover to St. Louis, Missouri in 1849. Two years later he married Sophia Haunold and took up residence at 1314 Benton Street, on the north side of the City of St. Louis, Missouri, where they lived until Heinrich's death in 1904.I have a copy of a sheet from the "Register of Deaths for the City of St. Louis" for 23 February 1868, which indicates an Andreas Bruer, born in Germany, died at the age 72, passed away while living at 1314 Benton Street, St. Louis, Missouri...the residence of my grt-grt-grt grandfather, Heinrich Bruer. This Andreas Bruer is old enough to be Heinrich's father.I also have a copy of a page from "Auswanderelisten des ehemaligen Herzogtums, Braunschweig, 1846-1871" by Fritz Gruhne that lists the following:" Bruer Andreas, Brinksitzer in Baddeckenstedt, Sohn des Brinksitzer Andreas Bruer und der Dorothee Dowe, married Oelber 16.11.1851 mit Wittkop, Joh. Sophie Elisabeth, born 2.12.1824, Tochter des Kotsassen Heinrich Wittkop und der Friederike Huter. Deren Kinder: 'lists their children and their birthdates'".I also have a copy of the passenger list that has Andreas Bruer (the son) and his family arriving in New York on 11 Jun 1867. Andreas (Andrew) and his family are listed in the 1870 US Census living is St. Louis, Missouri. In the Census, this Andreas is listed as being 49 years old. Maybe Heinrich's brother? The "St. Louis City Directory for 1870" lists Andrew Bruer living at 1311 Benton Street, which is across the street from Heinrich Bruer. The website for the Western Lutheran Cemetery in St. Louis lists an Andreas Bruer and Sophia Bruer buried there on 22 Feb 1888 and 07 Mar 1897, respectively.So, I think it is reasonable to hypothesize (for purposes of my research) that the elder Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's father and the younger Andreas Bruer is Heinrich's brother.My question to the list members is: What records should I look to in the Baddeckenstedt/Wolfenbuttel/Braunschweig area that might provide proof that the Andreas's and Heinrich are related? Which I hope could also indicate that Heinrich Bruer is from Baddeckenstedt.Thanks! Steve Bruer ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/29 01:28:38
From: Fred Buck <fredbuck(a)sprynet.com>
Ehlers is a very common name in some places in northern Germany too. My great-grandparents had a bakery and later a delicatessen in Woodhaven, Queens and that is also where my grandparents were married. I don't know if there is/was more than one Lutheran church in Woodhaven. After my grandparents moved to Richmond Hill, Queens in about 1912 they attend St. John's Lutheran Church there. Fred Buck Cincinnati, Ohio Originally from North Merrick, N.Y. ----- Original Message ----- From: <vsgs(a)optonline.net> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [HN] translation help I wonder if the spelling could have been changed in the Woodhaven area of Queens,NY to Ehlers. Many years ago when I went to St Lukes Lutheran church there. some folk had that name. Ghyll ----- Original Message ----- From: HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de (Heiko Ahlers) Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [HN] translation help To: Hannover-L > > No, I have not yet found any Ahlers ancestors that went to the > US - the name is quite common around here (Oldenburg), and I > even met some Ahlers from NY back in the 60's - but no > relationship so far. > > Heiko > > "Janice Seiler" schrieb: > >Thank you Heiko. We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas. > Any relatives there that you know of? > > > >Janice > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2008/01/29 03:26:03
From: vsgs <vsgs(a)optonline.net>
It has been many years since I have been back there-just trying to help. Ghyll ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Buck Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [HN] translation help To: Hannover-L > Ehlers is a very common name in some places in northern Germany too. > > My great-grandparents had a bakery and later a delicatessen in > Woodhaven,Queens and that is also where my grandparents were > married. I don't know if > there is/was more than one Lutheran church in Woodhaven. After my > grandparents moved to Richmond Hill, Queens in about 1912 they > attend St. > John's Lutheran Church there. > > Fred Buck > Cincinnati, Ohio > Originally from North Merrick, N.Y. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Hannover-L" > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [HN] translation help > > > I wonder if the spelling could have been changed in the > Woodhaven area of > Queens,NY to Ehlers. Many years ago when I went to St Lukes > Lutheran church > there. some folk had that name. > Ghyll > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HeikoAhlers(a)t-online.de (Heiko Ahlers) > Date: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:54 pm > Subject: Re: [HN] translation help > To: Hannover-L > > > > > No, I have not yet found any Ahlers ancestors that went to the > > US - the name is quite common around here (Oldenburg), and I > > even met some Ahlers from NY back in the 60's - but no > > relationship so far. > > > > Heiko > > > > "Janice Seiler" schrieb: > > >Thank you Heiko. We have some Ahlers in Fredericksburg, Texas. > > Any relatives there that you know of? > > > > > >Janice > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Hannover-L mailing list > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
Date: 2008/01/29 05:34:30
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>
"Steve Bruer" <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> schrieb: > Max, ... Not sure > what the Brandkataster is, but I'll order these through the local LDS Family > History Center and see what I can find.... Hello Max Bruer, a " Brandkataster" should be the documentation of the fire-insurance about the given size of the different estates for the purposes of finding out the right insurance fee and in case of fire or other accidance of having the sum of payments. As from a certain date everyone was obliged to have such an insurance, the "Brandkataster" will be usable for lots of data about the different farms, even sometimes some personal data of the farm ownwers, but will give classical family data about birth, death and marriage. Greetings, Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
Date: 2008/01/29 16:19:48
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>
Hello all,I recently received an email from Germany written in German. I understand the gist of the email, but I'd like to respond in German. I wondered if anyone out there had the time to translate my reply from English to German.
Thank you, Joel http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/
Date: 2008/01/29 17:29:28
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>
Sorry for a little mistake,last sentence has to be: "...but will n o t give classical family data about birth, death and marriage. ", which turns of course the sense around. Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de> schrieb: > "Steve Bruer" <sbruer31427(a)everestkc.net> schrieb: > > Max, > ... Not sure > > what the Brandkataster is, but I'll order these through the local LDS Family > > History Center and see what I can find.... > > Hello Max Bruer, > > a " Brandkataster" should be the documentation of the fire-insurance about the given size of the different estates for the purposes of finding out the right insurance fee and in case of fire or other accidance of having the sum of payments. As from a certain date everyone was obliged to have such an insurance, the "Brandkataster" will be usable for lots of data about the different farms, even sometimes some personal data of the farm owners, but will give classical family data about birth, death and marriage. > > Greetings, > > Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
Date: 2008/01/29 17:37:57
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>
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From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:03:54 -0600
Subject: Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police
from WIRED MAGAZINE ISSUE 16.02
Piecing Together the Dark Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police
By Andrew Curry 01.18.08 | 6:00 PM
Ulrike Poppe used to be one of the most surveilled women in East
Germany. For 15 years, agents of the Stasi (short for
Staatssicherheitsdienst, or State Security Service) followed her,
bugged her phone and home, and harassed her unremittingly, right up
until she and other dissidents helped bring down the Berlin Wall in
1989. Today, the study in Poppe's Berlin apartment is lined floor to
12-foot ceiling with bookshelves full of volumes on art, literature,
and political science. But one shelf, just to the left of her desk, is
special. It holds a pair of 3-inch-thick black binders — copies of the
most important documents in Poppe's secret police files. This is her
Stasi shelf.
Poppe hung out with East German dissidents as a teenager, got
blackballed out of college, and was busted in 1974 by the police on
the thin pretext of "asocial behavior." On her way out of jail, Stasi
agents asked her to be an informant, to spy on her fellow radicals,
but she refused. ("I was just 21, but I knew I shouldn't trust the
Stasi, let alone sign anything," she says.) She went on to become a
founding member of a reform-minded group called Women for Peace, and
was eventually arrested 13 more times — and imprisoned in 1983 for
treason. Only an international outcry won her release.
Poppe learned to recognize many of the men assigned to tail her each
day. They had crew cuts and never wore jeans or sneakers. Sometimes
they took pictures of her on the sidewalk, or they piled into a white
sedan and drove 6 feet behind her as she walked down the street.
Officers waited around the clock in cars parked outside her top-floor
apartment. After one of her neighbors tipped her off, she found a bug
drilled from the attic of the building into the ceiling plaster of her
living room.
When the wall fell, the Stasi fell with it. The new government,
determined to bring to light the agency's totalitarian tactics,
created a special commission to give victims access to their personal
files. Poppe and her husband were among the first people in Germany
allowed into the archives. On January 3, 1992, she sat in front of a
cart loaded with 40 binders dedicated to "Circle 2" — her codename, it
turned out. In the 16 years since, the commission has turned up 20
more Circle 2 binders on her.
The pages amounted to a minute-by-minute account of Poppe's life, seen
from an unimaginable array of angles. Video cameras were installed in
the apartment across the street. Her friends' bedrooms were bugged and
their conversations about her added to the file. Agents investigated
the political leanings of her classmates from middle school and opened
all of her mail. "They really tried to capture everything," she says.
"Most of it was just junk."
But some of it wasn't. And some of it ... Poppe doesn't know. No one
does. Because before it was disbanded, the Stasi shredded or ripped up
about 5 percent of its files.
That might not sound like much, but the agency had generated perhaps
more paper than any other bureaucracy in history — possibly a billion
pages of surveillance records, informant accounting, reports on
espionage, analyses of foreign press, personnel records, and useless
minutiae. There's a record for every time anyone drove across the
border.
In the chaos of the days leading up to the actual destruction of the
wall and the fall of East Germany's communist government, frantic
Stasi agents sent trucks full of documents to the Papierwolfs and
Reisswolfs — literally "paper-wolves" and "rip-wolves," German for
shredders. As pressure mounted, agents turned to office shredders, and
when the motors burned out, they started tearing pages by hand — 45
million of them, ripped into approximately 600 million scraps of
paper.
There's no way to know what bombshells those files hide. For a country
still trying to come to terms with its role in World War II and its
life under a totalitarian regime, that half-destroyed paperwork is a
tantalizing secret.
The machine-shredded stuff is confetti, largely unrecoverable. But in
May 2007, a team of German computer scientists in Berlin announced
that after four years of work, they had completed a system to
digitally tape together the torn fragments. Engineers hope their
software and scanners can do the job in less than five years — even
taking into account the varying textures and durability of paper, the
different sizes and shapes of the fragments, the assortment of
printing (from handwriting to dot matrix) and the range of edges (from
razor sharp to ragged and handmade.) "The numbers are tremendous. If
you imagine putting together a jigsaw puzzle at home, you have maybe
1,000 pieces and a picture of what it should look like at the end,"
project manager Jan Schneider says. "We have many millions of pieces
and no idea what they should look like when we're done."
--
Fred Rump, (239-775-7838)
730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120
fredrump(a)gmail.com
http://fredrump.phanfare.com
We are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to
tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.
Jefferson (1820)
Date: 2008/01/29 17:38:45
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>
From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2(a)msn.com> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:03:54 -0600 Subject: Legacy of East Germany's Secret Police As the enforcement arm of the German Democratic Republic's Communist Party, the Stasi at its height in 1989 employed 91,000 people to watch a country of 16.4 million. A sprawling bureaucracy almost three times the size of Hitler's Gestapo was spying on a population a quarter that of Nazi Germany. Unlike the prison camps of the Gestapo or the summary executions of the Soviet Union's KGB, the Stasi strove for subtlety. "They offered incentives, made it clear people should cooperate, recruited informal helpers to infiltrate the entire society," says Konrad Jarausch, a historian at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. "They beat people up less often, sure, but they psychologically trampled people. Which is worse depends on what you prefer." That finesse helped the Stasi quell dissent, but it also fostered a pervasive and justified paranoia. And it generated an almost inconceivable amount of paper, enough to fill more than 100 miles of shelves. The agency indexed and cross-referenced 5.6 million names in its central card catalog alone. Hundreds of thousands of "unofficial employees" snitched on friends, coworkers, and their own spouses, sometimes because they'd been extorted and sometimes in exchange for money, promotions, or p