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[HN] Relative from Luehnde, Hannover Preussen

Date: 2006/05/31 20:33:20
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

I am looking for someone to research a family for me.  I believe my
g-g-g-grandfather was named Johann Heinrich Ernest THIELE and was b. 1 Mar
1812.  He emigrated to Texas from Bremen in either 1845 or 1846.  His future
wife was also on board, Sophie HAGEMANN also from Hannover.
Janice Seiler
Citizens Medical Center
2701 Hospital Drive
Victoria, TX 77901
361-574-1715
jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org


Re: [HN] off-topic: Computerproblem Windows - Apple

Date: 2006/06/01 02:36:36
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear  Heike,

Do you mean mpeg files?  Video files?

I believe all computer systems can open image files in .jpg format.

I believe all computer systems can open normal word processing data files that do not include images or special objects in .rtf format. (rich text format)

You could copy your files and save as.... .rtf  or .jpg..

File names that include and of the following are invalid file names for Windows systems..

? [ ] / \ = + < > : ; " ,

com1 thru com9
lpt1 thru lpt9
con
nul
prn

If you are emailing the data...Sometimes if you simply send the data as .Zip file..it can than be opened. Email with virus protection software often blocks executable files..so saving as zip file might also cure problem.

Barbie-Lew

P.S.  What type of data are you trying to send?





Hallo Liste,

ich hoffe hier kann mir evtl. jemand weiter helfen. Ich habe einem Bekannten in Amerika ein paar Filme über Lingen geschickt, da seine Vorfahren aus Lingen kommen. Ich habe sie mit meinem "Windows-Rechner" gemacht und als mpg Datei gebrannt auf einer CD-R Er hat einen Apple Computer und kann die CD's nicht öffnen, was sehr schade ist.

Die Frage ist, Warum und was kann man machen, damit er die Filme sehen kann ?

I sent to an acquaintance in America a few films over Lingen, because his ancestors come from Lingen. I made it with my "Windows computer" and as mpg file burned on a CD-R. He has a Apple computer and can the CD's not open
The question is, why and which one can make, so that he can see the films?

Sorry for my bad english..:-))

Viele Grüße und Danke

Heike (Bund)
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Re: [HN] off-topic: Computerproblem Windows - Apple

Date: 2006/06/01 04:09:45
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Heike Bund wrote:
I sent to an acquaintance in America a few films over Lingen, because his ancestors come from Lingen. I made it with my "Windows computer" and as mpg file burned on a CD-R. He has a Apple computer and can the CD's not open. The question is, why and which one can make, so that he can see the films?

Fred Rump replied:
Apple computer does not say much actually. Today's 'modern' Apples can naturally understand multi-media in all forms. So, what does he have?

Your English is fine Heike. But it would help indeed to know just what "Apple" he has and how old it is, just as FR indicates, to meet 'minimum requirements'.

For MPEG-2 [~MP3] on the Macintosh I believe your friend will need to have the Apple QuickTime Player 6 or 7 (which is free to download from Apple) =and= the MPEG-2 Playback Component to view MPEG-2 based content. His "Apple" will also have to be a PowerPC G4 or faster with 128MB of RAM or more, and running the Mac OS 9 (or later) or the Mac OS X v10.1.3 (or later).

MPEG-2 Playback File Types Supported:
.mpg
.mpeg
.vob
.vro
.m2v
.m2a
.m2s

QuickTime 7 Player (Free)
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html
  +
QuickTime MPEG-2 Playback Component ($19.99 USD)
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/mpeg2/

or

QuickTime 7 Player Pro ($29.99 USD)
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html

I'm not really a Mac-man so there may be free <freeware> alternatives out there and available to download. Perhaps other Mac users here will advise if this is the case, or if anything earlier than the G4 will work for these kinds of files.

Hope this helps, Jb


From: "Oliver Bund" <ollibund(a)gmx.de>
To: <famnord(a)genealogy.net>, "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] off-topic: Computerproblem Windows - Apple
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:09:41 +0200

Hallo Liste,

ich hoffe hier kann mir evtl. jemand weiter helfen. Ich habe einem Bekannten in Amerika ein paar Filme über Lingen geschickt, da seine Vorfahren aus Lingen kommen. Ich habe sie mit meinem "Windows-Rechner" gemacht und als mpg Datei gebrannt auf einer CD-R Er hat einen Apple Computer und kann die CD's nicht öffnen, was sehr schade ist.

Die Frage ist, Warum und was kann man machen, damit er die Filme sehen kann ?

Viele Grüße und Danke

Heike (Bund)


From : W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>
Sent : Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:59 AM
To : Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject : Re: [HN] off-topic: Computerproblem Windows - Apple

Apple Computer sagt eigentlich nicht viel. Die heutigen 'modernen' Apples können natürlich multi-media in allen Formen verstehen. Also, was hat er?

Fred

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Re: [HN] Cole Camp

Date: 2006/06/01 04:35:26
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

A hearty shout out to Neil also. Sorry it is belated mate. Nice work. ;)

Nothing gets by eagle eyes Rodenburg (shades of Eric T). lol

Jb

From: JRodenburg(a)aol.com
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Cole Camp
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:12:15 EDT

Congratulations to Neil Heimsoth for fine interview and help with article in
June/July 2006 German Life. I encourage all readers to subscribe to this
magazine. There is also travelogue on city of Hannover in this issue.

A happy subscriber und,
Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg

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Re: [HN] cementary documents Ferdinand Dubois County Indiana

Date: 2006/06/01 04:40:50
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

That must be what they call service with a smile Werner. :-)

Way to go Cindy + 5.

Jb

From: "Cindy Ball" <jordon85(a)earthlink.net>
To: "hannover-l" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] cementary documents Ferdinand Dubois County Indiana
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:05:51 -0400

Werner,

I just contacted the Church and they said there are about 5 other people
helping to get this info for you. The lady i spoke to said it may take a
couple of months to get to but she would get.

From what i could find, they are buried at the St Ferdinand Cemetery.
Beradina Ruhe born 1 July 1834    died  5 Mar 1916 Section A
Herman Ruhe born  27 May 1829  died Feb 1902 Section B
Henry Niehaus born 17 Apr 1814    died 24 DEC 1901 Section B

Cindy

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Re: [HN] Cole Camp

Date: 2006/06/01 05:20:04
From: DKnoepfel <DKnoepfel(a)aol.com>

How do I subscribe to this magazine - German Life.
 
Thank you
Don Knoepfel

Re: [HN] Cole Camp

Date: 2006/06/01 05:30:49
From: Neil Heimsoth <heimat(a)iland.net>

Go to www.germanlife.com
Neil
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How do I subscribe to this magazine - German Life.
 
Thank you
Don Knoepfel
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Re: [HN] Cole Camp

Date: 2006/06/01 05:33:44
From: DKnoepfel <DKnoepfel(a)aol.com>

Thank you Neil

[HN] off-topic: Computerproblem Windows - Apple - Thanks - Danke

Date: 2006/06/01 12:59:45
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>

Hi,

I want to say thanks a lot for the help. I send all the mails to my friend and I hope it helps.

Vielen lieben Dank Euch allen, ich habe ihm die ganzen Mails geschickt und hoffe, es klappt nun. Ich habe keine Ahnung, was für Programme er auf seinem Rechner hat, ich weiß nur, das es ein Apple ist.



Viele Grüße und DANKE

Heike (Bund)


Re: [HN] Croupp - DANKE

Date: 2006/06/01 13:01:01
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>

Vielen lieben Dank an alle die geholfen haben, IHR SEIT SPITZE !!!! Und wir sind nun eine ganze Ecke weiter.

Viele liebe Grüße

Heike (Bund)

Re: [HN] Searching Engelmann Family name

Date: 2006/06/01 13:42:35
From: Efhensel <Efhensel(a)aol.com>

Makes sense:  the e may have been misread as a c  etc.

Eckhard Hensel

> Thema: Re: [HN] Searching Engelmann Family name 
>  Datum: 2006-05-31 20:41:44 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit
>  Von: raybarbara(a)comcast.net
>  Beantworten: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>  An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>  Internet-eMail: 
> 
> 
> 
> Missed this the first time, but maybe this is the town: Sehlum is east of
> Alfeld and south of Bad Salzdetfurth.  Depending how it is pronounced??
> Maybe?
> Barbara


[HN] [Han.-L.] Familienforschung Hackenstedt

Date: 2006/06/01 16:55:41
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und -kollegen!

Kommt jemand von Euch vielleicht zufällig nach Hackenstedt (PLZ 31188) bei Holle( südöstlich von Hildesheim) und beabsichtigt die dortigen KB einzusehen? Oder ist jemand vielleicht im Besitz von Abschriften usw.?Mir fehlen noch zwei Sterbedaten. Von Johann Conrad Philipps,* 01.Juli 1813 in Hackenstedt und seiner Ehefrau Henriette Christiane Friederike Caroline geb.Adolph, * 18.Sept.1815 in Sottrum.Sie lebten in Hackenstedt.Sein Rufname ist Conrad, ihr Rufname ist meist Caroline, gelegentlich aber auch Henriette.

Nach Auskunft des dortigen Standesamtes müssen beide vor 1874 gestorben sein, denn von da an existieren Personenstandsbücher, in denen sie aber nicht eingetragen sind.

Ich bin für jede Information dankbar.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail: < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

[HN] [Han.-L.] Suche nach Kreienbrink

Date: 2006/06/01 16:55:43
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und-kollegen!

Hat von Euch eventuell jemand Daten der Orgelbauerfamilie Kreienbrink aus Osnabrück? Ich suche die Vorfahren von Mathias Kreienbrink, * 16.Dez.1924.

Ich bin für jede Information dankbar.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail: < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

[HN] Rektor Herm. VILTER ( 1836 - 1923) Lautenthal, Ernst WILKE, Fotograph in Goslar

Date: 2006/06/01 19:47:32
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Kleine Fundsache:

Auf der Rückseite einer großformatigen gerahmten Photographie, aufgenommen von Ernst WILKE, Goslar im Harz, Breitestr.28, die einen sympathischen Herrn mittleren Alters zeigt, finden sich die Angaben: "Rektor Herm. VILTER Lautenthal, geb.21.10.1836 in Ostenholz, gest.22.11.1923 in Lautenthal". Fotographie nunmehr im Besitz HPA.

translation:

Little Findng:

On the backside of a huge formatted framed photography made by Ernst WILKE, Goslar im Harz, Breitestr.28, showing a sympathic middle-aged gentleman can be found the following mentionings:
"Rektor Herm. VILTER Lautenthal, geb. 21.10.1836 in Ostenholz, gest. 22.11.1923 in Lautenthal".
The Photographie is yet in possession HPA.

Greetings und beste Wünsche Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel



Re: [HN] [Han.-L.] Suche nach Kreienbrink

Date: 2006/06/01 21:40:11
From: Gary Stoltman <stopan(a)optonline.net>

Hallo Jürgen:

Nicht Sprechen. Good luck!

I have a few Kreyenbrinks. GERHARD KREYENBRINK geb. STERNBURG und Maria Asplan (Aspelahn). Kircheliche Trauung am 30.06.1704 in Gesmold.

Stammen:

ANNA MARIA KREYENBRINK geboren Gesmold (a few miles SE of Osnabrück) 10.05.1705. Gestorben mit Gesmold. Beststtet Gesmold 26.02.1771. She married Johann Conrad Schriever 2.11.1729 in Gesmold.

Margarethe Elisabeth KREYENBRINK,gebornen Gesmold, bapt (r.-k.) on 03.03.1709 in Gesmold (Godparents: Margarethe Aspelan; Elisabeth Helmann; Johann Heinrich Ostendarp;), died in Gesmold age 27, buried on 10.12.1736 in Gesmold. Church Wedding age 27 on 02.09.1736 in Gesmold (Witnesses: Conrad Schriever; Gerd Keymann;) to Johann Peter auf'M WINKEL (1749:Winkelmann), born 1709 in Gesmold (Religion: r.-k.), died in Gesmold, buried on 01.12.1749 in Gesmold.

Johann Gerhard KEYMANN GEB.KREYENBRINK (Kreienbrink), geboren Gesmold, bapt (r.-k.) on 11.06.1714 in Gesmold (Godparent: Johann Asplan;), died in Dratum age 31, buried on 22.06.1745 in Gesmold.Church Wedding age 21 on 06.05.1736 in Gesmold to Anna Maria KEYMANN, age 21, born in Dratum, bapt (r.-k.) on 11.08.1714 in Gesmold (Godparent : Anna Maria Wilkens;), died in Dratum age 46, buried on 10.10.1760 in Gesmold, Daughter of Conrad KEYMANN and Anna Elisabeth PETERS.

Johann Heinrich KREYENBRINK (Kreienbrink), gesboren Gemold, bapt (r.-k.) on 11.06.1714 in Gesmold (Godparents : Johann Sterenberg;), died age 1, in Riemsloh, buried on 06.03.1716 in Gesmold

Good hunting

Gary Stoltman
Mercerville, NJ

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Subject: [HN] [Han.-L.] Suche nach Kreienbrink


Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und-kollegen!

Hat von Euch eventuell jemand Daten der Orgelbauerfamilie Kreienbrink aus
Osnabrück? Ich suche die Vorfahren von Mathias Kreienbrink, * 16.Dez.1924.

Ich bin für jede Information dankbar.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail:  < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

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[HN] Hofgrößen (Köthner,Halbspänner e tc.)

Date: 2006/06/02 19:59:44
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Erika,

hat Dir inzwischen jemand Deine unten aufgeführten Fragen beantwortet ?
Sonst wende Dich direkt an mich; ich gebe Dir gerne Auskunft.

 Hast Du auch noch Informationen ueber die (allgemeine
Groesse)
von Kothoefen? Oder Grosskothoefen? Was ist ein Halbspannerhof, oder ein
Brinksitzer, ein Ganzkoeter und Halbkoeter, ein Pfarrmeierhof? Auch einen
Ackermann habe ich among meinen Vorfahren.

Grüße     Susanne

Re: [HN] Relative from Luehnde, Hannover Preussen

Date: 2006/06/02 20:54:23
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Janice:

On Castle Garden I find the following:

First name Last name Occupation Age Sex Arrived Origin Ship
Ang. Thiele Farmer 12 F 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Betty Thiele Infant 6 m F 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Carl Thiele Child, Youngster 6 M 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Elise Thiele Farmer 30 F 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Ferd. Thiele Farmer 37 M 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Joh Thiele Farmer 39 M 11 Jul 1850 Germany India

Joh may well be your ancestor. He would have been 40 the next March.

I find no Sophie Hagemann on the ship India.

If any of the other Theiles fit, it would appear that Sophie was not on the same ship.


Gale


On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:32:04 -0500
 "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> wrote:
I am looking for someone to research a family for me. I believe my g-g-g-grandfather was named Johann Heinrich Ernest THIELE and was b. 1 Mar 1812. He emigrated to Texas from Bremen in either 1845 or 1846. His future wife was also on board, Sophie HAGEMANN also from Hannover.
Janice Seiler
Citizens Medical Center
2701 Hospital Drive
Victoria, TX 77901
361-574-1715
jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org

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Re: [HN] Relative from Luehnde, Hannover Preussen

Date: 2006/06/02 21:05:01
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

Thanks Gale, My relative left Germany out of Bremen in 1845 or 1846 and
sailed to Texas landing at Galveston, Texas.

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Hi Janice:

On Castle Garden I find the following:

First name Last name Occupation Age Sex Arrived Origin
Ship
Ang. Thiele Farmer 12 F 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Betty Thiele Infant 6 m F 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Carl Thiele Child, Youngster 6 M 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Elise Thiele Farmer 30 F 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Ferd. Thiele Farmer 37 M 11 Jul 1850 Germany India
Joh Thiele Farmer 39 M 11 Jul 1850 Germany India

Joh may well be your ancestor.  He would have been 40 the
next March.

I find no Sophie Hagemann on the ship India.

If any of the other Theiles fit, it would appear that
Sophie was not on the same ship.


Gale


On Wed, 31 May 2006 13:32:04 -0500
  "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> wrote:
> I am looking for someone to research a family for me.  I
>believe my
> g-g-g-grandfather was named Johann Heinrich Ernest
>THIELE and was b. 1 Mar
> 1812.  He emigrated to Texas from Bremen in either 1845
>or 1846.  His future
> wife was also on board, Sophie HAGEMANN also from
>Hannover.
> Janice Seiler
> Citizens Medical Center
> 2701 Hospital Drive
> Victoria, TX 77901
> 361-574-1715
> jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org
>
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Re: [HN] Relative from Luehnde, Hannover Preussen

Date: 2006/06/02 22:00:50
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Janice,

     You probably know that Johann Heinrich Ernest Thiele's parents were
Johann Heinrich Christian Thiele and Sophie Elisabeth Niemann Thiele.

    Johann Heinrich Christian Thiele was born in Luehnde 11 Apr 1776.
Sophie Elisabeth Niemann was born abt 1778 in Luehnde. I didn't find her
parents. Sophie and Johann Heinrich Christian married in 1805.

   The parents of Johann Heinrich Christian were Johann Conrad Thiele and
Anne Marie Peike (maybe wrong spelling). They were married in 1767 in
Luehnde. There is a family where a Conrad Hennecken Thiele was born in 1746
in Luehnde. The date works, but I don't know if it's right.  You will see
several Thieles in that family.
 
  I found all of this on the LDS site.  I'd suggest that you check this -- I
could have picked up the wrong dates.  There's probably more available. I
didn't go back further. Another version of the town is to use the umlaut-
thus Lühnde.

Good luck,
Barbara

    
    


on 5/31/06 12:32 PM, Janice Seiler at jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org wrote:

> I am looking for someone to research a family for me.  I believe my
> g-g-g-grandfather was named Johann Heinrich Ernest THIELE and was b. 1 Mar
> 1812.  He emigrated to Texas from Bremen in either 1845 or 1846.  His future
> wife was also on board, Sophie HAGEMANN also from Hannover.
> Janice Seiler
> Citizens Medical Center
> 2701 Hospital Drive
> Victoria, TX 77901
> 361-574-1715
> jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org
> 
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[HN] Wesemann from Estorf, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/02 22:23:29
From: DKnoepfel <DKnoepfel(a)aol.com>

Hallo Liste
 
I would like to learn the name of the parent's of Ludwig Heinrich Wesemann,  
geb. 3 Feb. 1811 in Estorf.  He married Louise Engelking.  They had  one child 
that I know of, August Friedrich "Ftitz" Ludwig Wesemann, geb. 26  November 
1834.  Louise apparently died in Estorf and about 1846 Ludwig and  his son 
emigrated to the United States.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
viele Dank
 
Don Knoepfel

[HN] Mürer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/03 01:50:33
From: Jan Dambaek <jdambaek(a)bluewin.ch>

Does anybody have anything on my forfathers or the people below

 

Hans Christian Mürer, born 26th  May 1656 burried 23rd Feb 1736
Reiffenhausen - married to Elisabeth Hedvig Diderich 10 Feb 1687

 

Son :

 

Johann Claus Mürer, born 2nd June 1689 died 16th Oct 1761 Reiffenhausen –
married to Catharina Elisabeth Siewert 14th Jan 1721

 

Son:

 

Johann Nicolaus Mürer, born 29th Jan 1740 in Reiffenhausen, who participated
in the battle of Rosbach in 1757 as regimental surgeon according to book
`Doctor Laurentze Heister’s Chirgurgie’ printed in Nürnberg 1724.

 

Any information will be highly appreciated

 

jdambaek(a)bluewin.ch


Re: [HN] Mittlere Münsterische Kornpreise 1630-163 9

Date: 2006/06/03 23:42:09
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

Hallo Erika,
   I didn't see any response to your questions so I thought I would
pass on what
little I know about some of the words you asked about;

Brinksitzer:   A very poor farmer or farm laborer who had no actual
land of his
own to farm, so he built a small cottage or shack on the "Brinke", the strips
of boundary land between cultivated fields, or on the "common".   In the
American west they would have called him a "Squatter".

Ackermann:  I believe an Ackerman was what we in America called a "farm
hand" or
"field hand", someone who is hired to work on a farm.
   I could make some educated guesses about some of the the other terms, but I
might be wide of the mark so I'll leave that to someone who actually knows.
Don Roddy


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    Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:24:35 +0100
    From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
 Subject: [HN] Mittlere Münsterische Kornpreise 1630-1639
      To: Hannover Liste <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>



Hallo Werner,

Vielen Dank fuer die hervorragende Information ueber die Kornpreise. Jetzt
kann ich das so in etwa umrechnen, wenn ich bedenke, dass mein Vorfahr fuer
ein bestimmtes Stueck Land, das er dazukaufte, 20 Taler ausgibt. Das waeren
dann etwa 774 Liter Weizen. Ich habe mir das gleich kopiert und ausgedruckt.

Ich bin dabei, eine (deutsche) Familienchronik zu schreiben und fuer meine
(englischen) Kinder so einiges aus Familien- und Ortsbuechern zu
uebersetzen. Hast Du auch noch Informationen ueber die (allgemeine Groesse)
von Kothoefen? Oder Grosskothoefen? Was ist ein Halbspannerhof, oder ein
Brinksitzer, ein Ganzkoeter und Halbkoeter, ein Pfarrmeierhof? Auch einen
Ackermann habe ich among meinen Vorfahren.

Ich wuerde mich freuen mehr zu erfahren.

Vielen Dank schon mal im Voraus und Gruesse aus dem verregneten Yorkshire
Erika


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[HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM, HANNOVER 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/04 02:24:49
From: Vickikimo <Vickikimo(a)aol.com>

HELLO,
I AM WONDERING IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME PUT TOGETHER THE  MINDERMANNS IN THE AMT 
ACHIM COUNTY OF HANNOVER. I HAVE THE 1855 CENSUS FROM  PART 5 & 6 AMT ACHIM 
WITH MINDERMANNS LISTED BUT SOME ARE 'WORKING' ON  FARMS FOR OTHER FAMILIES. MY 
ANCESTOR IS AHREND(AHRENT) MINDERMANN B:1782 LISTED  ON PG30 OF PART 6 (IN 
GIERSBERG), WITH OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. BUT THERE ARE OTHER  MINDERMANNS LISTED 
THROUGHOUT THE OTHER PARTS (1,2,3,4,5,6) AS WELL. I AM TRYING  TO TIE AHREND TO 
AUGUST, LODDIG, LUER, JOHANN, BEKE, GESCHE, HINRICH,  ETC. I FIGURE THEY MUST 
ALL BE RELATED SOMEHOW. SOME OF THE DATES GO BACK  TO EARLY 1700'S IN THIS 
AREA FOR THIS SURNAME. MY GGGRANDFATHER WAS  HERMANN(HARMON) MINDERMANN, SON OF 
AHREND OF THIS AREA THAT EMIGRATED TO  DANBURY, OTTAWA CO., OH. OTHER SURNAMES 
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FAMILY ARE  BEERMANN, BEHRMANN, BOHLING, HUNEKE, 
KEDENBURG, BREDEHOFT, BREDBECK, WUHRMANN,  BLOCK(BLOCH), WINTJEN, CLAUSEN, 
BAUMANN(BAMMANN). ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY  APPRECIATED. 
DANKE, VICKI 

[HN] Fwd: MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM, HANNOVER 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/04 02:28:21
From: Vickikimo <Vickikimo(a)aol.com>


































Re: [HN] Mürer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/04 12:15:57
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hi, Jan,
1689 Claus Murer, also Mürer, Maurer, profession Miller,
payed taxes in Reiffenhausen  ("Owns a little Mill and 24
Morgen land")  ((1 Morgen = around 2.400 sqare meters)).
He had to pay 1 Taler and 24 Groschen for the land and 1
Taler und 12 Groschen für the mill.

He had to pay for his listed Wife Elisabeth NN. 1 Taler.
He had to pay for his listed sons Otto 3 years old and
Konrad 1 year old no taxes (As children below 14 years were
tax free.

In the same lists dated 1686  "Maurer"  was listet with son
and daughter older than 14 years.

- 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sat,  3 Jun 2006 01:50:27 +0200
> Subject: [HN] Mürer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover
> From: "Jan Dambaek" 
> To: 

> Does anybody have anything on my forfathers or the people
below 
> 
> 
> Hans Christian Mürer, born 26th  May 1656 burried 23rd Feb
1736
> Reiffenhausen - married to Elisabeth Hedvig Diderich 10
Feb 1687 
> 
> 
> Son :
> 
> 
> 
> Johann Claus Mürer, born 2nd June 1689 died 16th Oct 1761
> Reiffenhausen – married to Catharina Elisabeth Siewert
14th Jan 1721
> 
> 
> 
> Son:
> 
> 
> 
> Johann Nicolaus Mürer, born 29th Jan 1740 in
Reiffenhausen, who
> participated in the battle of Rosbach in 1757 as
regimental surgeon
> according to book `Doctor Laurentze Heister’s Chirgurgie’
printed in
> Nürnberg 1724.
> 
> 
> 
> Any information will be highly appreciated
> 
> 
> 
> jdambaek(a)bluewin.ch
> 
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> 
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[HN] Mürer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/04 12:17:31
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Reiffenhausen:
4.1.1686 Claus Mürer married Lisabeth Zimmermann

-- 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sat,  3 Jun 2006 01:50:27 +0200
> Subject: [HN] Mürer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover
> From: "Jan Dambaek" 
> To: 

> Does anybody have anything on my forfathers or the people
below 
> 
> 
> Hans Christian Mürer, born 26th  May 1656 burried 23rd Feb
1736
> Reiffenhausen - married to Elisabeth Hedvig Diderich 10
Feb 1687 
> 
> 
> Son :
> 
> 
> 
> Johann Claus Mürer, born 2nd June 1689 died 16th Oct 1761
> Reiffenhausen – married to Catharina Elisabeth Siewert
14th Jan 1721
> 
> 
> 
> Son:
> 
> 
> 
> Johann Nicolaus Mürer, born 29th Jan 1740 in
Reiffenhausen, who
> participated in the battle of Rosbach in 1757 as
regimental surgeon
> according to book `Doctor Laurentze Heister’s Chirgurgie’
printed in
> Nürnberg 1724.
> 
> 
> 
> Any information will be highly appreciated
> 
> 
> 
> jdambaek(a)bluewin.ch
> 
> ______________________________________________
> 
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Re: [HN] Mittlere Münsterische Kornpreise 1630-1639

Date: 2006/06/04 14:06:13
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hi,



I don't know what a Halbspännerhoff is but Halbspänner = farmer with 2 horses


Have you tried this website which gives old occupations?

http://www.tranquility.net/~pwrigh01/occupations.html

Rena
===

From: svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com
Hallo Erika,
   I didn't see any response to your questions so I thought I would
pass on what
little I know about some of the words you asked about;

Brinksitzer:   A very poor farmer or farm laborer who had no actual
land of his
own to farm, so he built a small cottage or shack on the "Brinke", the strips
of boundary land between cultivated fields, or on the "common".   In the
American west they would have called him a "Squatter".

Ackermann:  I believe an Ackerman was what we in America called a "farm
hand" or
"field hand", someone who is hired to work on a farm.
I could make some educated guesses about some of the the other terms, but I
might be wide of the mark so I'll leave that to someone who actually knows.
Don Roddy


[HN] Vardegötzen

Date: 2006/06/05 09:06:39
From: Rolf Kammer <rokammer(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Mitforscher. Können Sie mir helfen, die Geschichte des Ortes V a r d e g ö t z e n zwischen 1850 und 1910 deutlicher zu machen? Ihr Rolf Kammer rokammer(a)t-online.de

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[HN] For Don

Date: 2006/06/05 09:48:13
From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>

Hi Don,

Many thanks for your help in finding out just what a Brinksitzer actually
is. One or two of the other members of the list contacted me directly with
help, but your contribution nicely completed any gaps in understanding I
still had.

Greetings from England
Erika



[HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2006/06/05 10:16:52
From: Wilhelm W . A . Thiele <wilhelmthiele(a)gmx.de>

Liebe Listies,

wer kann mir bei der Suche nach den Ahnen der folgenden Vorfahren weiterhelfen ?

Wieda /Harz

Liebenroth, Wilhelmine (* 1814), + 9.8.1885; 
Pfeiffer, Christine Henriette * 28.11.1778 (Geb.ort unbekannt), + 3.9.1847;
Bornkessel, NN (männl.), (* 1780), + 21.3.1841;
Vollbrecht, Paul Carl Wilhelm * 25.7.1810, + 22.9.1865
Jörn, Caroline Luise * 18.10.1812 , + 25.6.1865

Hornburg / Harz

Treu, Georg Julius, (*1762), 18.3.1806


Besten Dank !
-- 
Wilhelm Thiele

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      Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer
    

[HN] KETTLER - Gese in EINBECK(um 1500) & Ch ristoph SCHÖNHAGEN/NORTHEIM(1684-1755)

Date: 2006/06/05 10:46:05
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,



ich erhielt eine Anfrage, die ich weiterleite mit der Bitte, bei Hilfsmöglichkeiten sich direkt mit Mary Ann in Verbindung zu setzen: 



maryannk(a)go-concepts.com
E-Mail-Adresse(n):
  maryannk(a)go-concepts.com



Ob ein Zusammenhang besteht zwischen MEINER Gese Kettler und den Vorfahren Mary Anns, kann ich nicht sagen.



Vielen Dank im voraus

Klaus Riecken

www.Riecken-online.de







Kettler

 

20277 Gese Kettler, (Q 12), oo Dietrich Raven, Einbeck

Raven

20276 Dietrich Raven, Patricius, Kaufmann und Ratsverwandter in Einbeck, Riedemeister, + 1559, (Q 12), oo Gese Kettler, (Q 12)

 

40552 Dietrich III Raven, +1517, (Q 50), oo Meta Kleineberg, (Q 50)

 

81104 Dietrich II Raven, 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mary Ann 
  To: Klaus(a)Riecken-online.de 
  Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:06 PM
  Subject: Surname Kettler


  Dear Herr Riecken, 
  I saw your website as a link from the SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com, and I am interested in any information you might give me about the surname: 
  Kettler  um 1550  Einbeck 
  I saw the name under your Familienforschung GREVE on the website.  My earliest known Kettler ancestor was: 

  Christoph KETTLER, 6G Grandfather 
  --------------------------------------------- 
  Birth Date: 1684 
  Birthplace:  ?? 
  Death Date: 10 Dec 1761 
  Death Place: Schönhagen, Kreis Northeim, Solling, Hannover, GE 
  Reside Date: 1755 
  Reside Place: Haus Nr. 37, Schönhagen, With Family Of Son Heinrich Christoph 

  Spouse: Anna Catharina LIMBRECHT, 6G Grandmother 
  Birth Date: 12 Jul 1686 
  Birth Place: Schönhagen, Kreis Northeim, Solling, Hannover, GE 
  Death Date: <bef 1755> 

  Marr Date: 18 Apr 1713 
  Marr Place: Schönhagen, Solling, Hannover, GE 

  Children: Friedrich Christoph (1710-1786) 
   Child (1713-1713) 
   Heinrich Christoph (1715-1773) 
   (Mädchen) (1718-) 

  Notes for this family: 
  Resided in Hs. nr. 37, Einwohnerliste von 1755 des Dorfes Schönhagen/Kammerborn Solling with son Henrich Christoph: 
  Henrich Christoph Kettler  40 
  Anna Cath: Hühnen  37 
  Johann Fried: Kettler  11 
  Engel Doroth: Kettler  5 
  Maria Elies: Kettler  1 
  Christoph Kettler  68 
  Christoph Kreutz Drag:  49 
  Maria Elies: Kreutz Drag: Fr:  30 
    

  Do you have information on the Kettler family of Einbeck?  Perhaps it connects to my Kettler family.  I do not know the birthplace of Christoph Kettler. 

  Thank you in advance for the kindness of your reply. 

  Sincerely, 

  Mary Ann Kettler Mulford 

[HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/05 11:58:21
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und - kollegen!

Ist jemand vielleicht im Besitz der Niedersächsische Trauregister CalenbergerLand, Band 2, 1701 bis 1750 , von Jürgen Ritter? Ich suche nach einer Heirat Faulendorf, Pfulendorf oder Fulendorf, eigentlich im Raum Herzberg, möglicherweise aber auch in den Hannoverschen Garnisonskirchenbüchern.

Ich würde mich freuen, wenn jemand einmal nachsehen könnte.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail: < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

[HN] Traulisten

Date: 2006/06/05 11:58:23
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und - kollegen!

Ist jemand vielleicht im Besitz der Trauregister ausSüdniedersachsen, von Franz Schubert, Bd.2, 1701-1750? Ich suche nach einer Heirat Faulendorf, Pfulendorf oder Fulendorf, im Raum Herzberg.

Ich würde mich freuen, wenn jemand einmal nachsehen könnte.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail: < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

[HN] Stuckenschmidt-Emigholz-Fahrenholz-Jägeler- Wrede

Date: 2006/06/05 12:18:17
From: Waltraud von Salzen <waltraud.von.salzen(a)ewetel.net>

Liebe Listies,

vor einiger Zeit suchte jemand nach S t u c k e n s c h m i d t.
Im KB Morsum, Ksp.Lunsen, steht folgender Eintrag:

Trauung kirchl. 09.04.1899 in Lunsen
standesamtl.    06.04.1899 in Verden
Aufgebot        09.04.1899 in Lunsen

Johann Christoph E m i g h o l z *08.Sept.1873 in Döhlbergen, Steinsetzer in Verden, Sohn des Häuslers Johann Ernst Heinrich E m i g h o l z und seiner verstorbenen EhefrauAnna Margarethe Dorothea Sophie Marie geb. S t u c k e n s c h m i d t zu Döhlbergen, heiratet Adelheid F a h r e n h o l z *31.Oct.1870 in Wulmstorf, verwitwete J ä g e l e r, Hausmagd zu Verden, Tochter des verstorbenen Häuslers Johann Cord F a h r e n h o l z und seiner Ehefrau Meta Adelheid geb. W r e d e zu Morsum.

Herzlich Grüße
Waltraud


[HN] For Rena - German Professions

Date: 2006/06/05 12:21:13
From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>

Hi Rena,

Many thanks for the excellent website... It is exactly what I was looking
for, particularly as I have been at pains to translate some german
professions into the equivalent english ones.

Erika



[HN] Oelrichs

Date: 2006/06/05 14:28:45
From: Michael Oelrichs <m.oelrichs(a)hallconstruction.uk.com>

Guten Tag

Appologies for not writing in German.

I have just discovered one of my ancestors was born in Lühe.

In email sent to me last week "Henry Frederic Oelrichs, retired civil-servant at the East-Indies 
(Dutch Colonies, now Indonesia) died at the age of 65 on 27 January 
1881at The Hague, he was born in Lühe [Kreiz Winsen, Hannover] as 
the son of  Peter Andresen Oelrichs and Ann Bunting, both deceased, 
married to Margaretha Charlotta Glignett, without occupation." 

Can anyone assist me or point me in the right direction to find out more about Henry Frederic Oelrichs and his parents Peter Andresen Oelrichs & Ann Bunting?

Many thanks

Michael Oelrichs

in Sheffield, England


[HN] Oelrichs and Bunting from Lühe

Date: 2006/06/05 15:15:04
From: Michael Oelrichs <m.oelrichs(a)hallconstruction.uk.com>

Guten Tag

Apologies for not writing in German.

I have just discovered one of my ancestors was born in Lühe.

In email sent to me last week "Henry Frederic Oelrichs, retired civil-servant at the East-Indies 
(Dutch Colonies, now Indonesia) died at the age of 65 on 27 January 
1881 at The Hague, he was born in Lühe [Kreiz Winsen, Hannover] as 
the son of  Peter Andresen Oelrichs and Ann Bunting, both deceased, 
married to Margaretha Charlotta Glignett, without occupation." 

Can anyone assist me or point me in the right direction to find out more about Henry Frederic Oelrichs and his parents Peter Andresen Oelrichs & Ann Bunting?

Many thanks

Michael Oelrichs

in Sheffield, England

[HN] besoin d'aide;merci

Date: 2006/06/05 15:25:03
From: Catherine PFEIL <kathpfeil(a)wanadoo.fr>



Bonjour a Tous

Guten Tag


Voici les patronymes recherchent dans nos ancetres Fils du vents
vous auriez la gentillesse de me prevenir si vous trouver sait patronymes(ou si vous voulez nous aidez a les trouver passée se messages a L'etranger car nous recherchons des correspondants)
en Allemegne,Luxembourg,Belgiques,Angletterre
Suisse,Italie
Espagne

Hier suchen die Familiennamen in unseren Vorfahren Fäden der Winde Sie hätten die Liebenswürdigkeit, mir prevenir, wenn Sie zu finden patronymes( wenn Sie wollen uns helfen haben sie vergangene sie Mitteilungen im Ausland zu finden, denn wir suchen Korrespondenten) in Allemegne, Luxemburg, Belgiques weiß, Angletterre die Schweiz, Italien Spanien


l'adresse est 

Pour consulter votre groupe en ligne, accédez à :
http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/filsduvents/


PATRAC



SUIVENG ,VERCHEL,RENAUD,BAER;NETTE



SALOMON;MAYOTTE;SERVAIS ;HOFFMANN



DOERR, REINHARD, WINTERSTEIN, SCHIRA, VETTER, MEINHARD, LOEFFLER, 


KREUZER, HAAG.





LAMBING, LAMBIN, MIESCH, DURR, STOFLER, KRAMER, KREMER, ZEPTF, ZEFFE, ZEPT, FLICK, 



GESTER, SCHATZ, WINTERSTEIN, WEISS, WETZEL SCHAEFER, BAUER





MUNDSCHAU, KOST, STRACK, KOST, DELIS, HASSEL 



ANSCHVEILLER ,ANSCHWEIPFLER,ANSCHVILLER,AUSCHWILLER,BENGLER,BERCKEL ou BÜRCKEL,BERGEL,BRENET,BRUNET

CHOLLEY,CHOUMERT,COLOMBAIN,DICK,EMLEN ou IMLEN,HUGUENIN,KLEIN,KRAMER,KREMER,LAFERDINI,MARCHAND 

NEUVEVILLE,NEUVILLE,PERRIN,RAUENSCHWENDER,REINHARDT/RENARD,REMERTIN,ROYER,SCHOUMERT,VEAUTRIN

VERNAY, VERNET, VERNEY,ZEF,ZELF,ZEPH,ZEPP,ZEPT



PFEIL ,JUSTHEIM. KOBI,DORSCNHER,HOFFMANN,NEY,KLONIG

BACHINGER,PERTSCHNER;ROSSANDI ,WINTERSTEIN,WEISS,WIEDMANN,PFISTER,CYRIAN,CHRISTLER,JOA

BOUCHY;JOA,GEORGES,BECKER,HELFRICH,MULLER,SCHAEFFER

LAGRENE,DIETRICH,BOUSSE(BOUCHY,BUSCH,LOEFFLER;ULM KOEHLER.KREUTZER



Gros bisous

Schön Gruss

PFEIL Katherine





Re: [HN] Oelrichs and Bunting from L ü he

Date: 2006/06/05 18:57:04
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Michael,

        Lühe appears to be a tiny town along the Elbe river.  I would think
that the people there may have gone to church in nearby Grünendeich. The LDS
has church records for that town:

      Kirchenbuch, 1715-1852  Evangelische Kirche Grünendeich (Kr. Jork)

      Another place could be Steinkirchen with these records:

      Kirchenbuch, 1715-1852  Evangelische Kirche Steinkirchen (Kr. Jork)

     You can order these from a LDS center and view the microfilms there. I
am only suggesting this: I don't guarantee anything!! Lately I've been
looking at a LOT of microfilm from places in England and sometimes I find
absolutely nothing that I'm looking for.

Good luck,
Barbara










on 6/5/06 7:15 AM, Michael Oelrichs at m.oelrichs(a)hallconstruction.uk.com
wrote:

> Guten Tag
> 
> Apologies for not writing in German.
> 
> I have just discovered one of my ancestors was born in Lühe.
> 
> In email sent to me last week "Henry Frederic Oelrichs, retired civil-servant
> at the East-Indies
> (Dutch Colonies, now Indonesia) died at the age of 65 on 27 January
> 1881 at The Hague, he was born in Lühe [Kreiz Winsen, Hannover] as
> the son of  Peter Andresen Oelrichs and Ann Bunting, both deceased,
> married to Margaretha Charlotta Glignett, without occupation."
> 
> Can anyone assist me or point me in the right direction to find out more about
> Henry Frederic Oelrichs and his parents Peter Andresen Oelrichs & Ann Bunting?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Michael Oelrichs
> 
> in Sheffield, England
> ______________________________________________
> 
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] Fw: [OL] Genealogieboerse am 10.06.06 - Programmheft

Date: 2006/06/05 20:07:09
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Listies,
vorab sorry, falls Leute diese Mail doppelt oder dreifach bekommen, aber in jeder Liste sind auch Leute, die nicht in so vielen Listen sind. Ich hoffe darauf viele Leute in Osnabrück zu treffen und freu mich schon. Viele Grüße Heike (Bund) P.S. Ach so, ich durfte die Mail von Jürgen weiter leiten...:-))

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

in einer Woche, am 10. Juni findet in der Zeit von 10.00 bis 17.00 Uhr
die 6. Norddeutsche Genealogiebörse im Solarluxforum in Bissendorf bei
Osnabrück. Mit 49 Ausstellern auf 2000 qm und sechs parallel
stattfindenden Vorträgen ist es eine der größten genealogischen
Veranstaltungen der letzten Jahre.

Das Programmheft zur Genealogiebörse (29 Seiten, PDF-Format, 1,7 MB) ist
jetzt erschienen und kann von der Homepage heruntergeladen werden:

http://www.genealogieboerse.de

Die Schirmherrschaft hat der Niedersächsische Ministerpräsident
Christian Wulff übernommen. Da sein Grußwort ungewöhnlich kenntnis- und
inhaltsreich ist, möchte ich es Ihnen nicht vorenthalten.

Viele Grüße

Jürgen Hausfeld

Arbeitskreis Familienforschung Osnabrück

Grußwort des Niedersächsischen Ministerpräsidenten Christian Wulff zur
6. Norddeutschen Computergenealogiebörse am 10. Juni 2006

Als Schirmherr der 6. Norddeutschen Computergenealogiebörse, die in
diesem Jahr in Bissendorf stattfindet, begrüße ich alle Teilnehmerinnen
und Teilnehmer ganz herzlich. Die dieses Mal vom Arbeitskreis
Familienforschung Osnabrück e.V. ausgerichtete Veranstaltung hat sich
innerhalb weniger Jahre zu einem etablierten und von Interessierten aus
ganz Norddeutschland und den angrenzenden Niederlanden gern besuchten
Treffen entwickelt, bei dem die Computergenealogie allerdings bereits so
selbstverständlich geworden ist, dass sie als solche gar nicht mehr im
Zentrum zu stehen braucht. Viel wichtiger ist Ihnen der
Erfahrungsaustausch, die gegenseitige Hilfe und die Vermittlung von
Informationen zum Auffinden und Auswerten genealogischer Quellen, zu
Forschungs- und Arbeitsmöglichkeiten sowie zu aktuellen Publikationen
und laufenden Projekten - mit einem Wort: die Vernetzung der diversen
Familienforschungsvereine und ihrer Mitglieder untereinander.

Wer glaubt, Genealogen gehe es in enger Ichbezogenheit und unter
weitgehender Ausblendung der sozialen, politischen, wirtschaftlichen,
religiösen und kulturellen Gegebenheiten und Lebensbedingungen früherer
Zeiten um nichts weiter als die nackte Ermittlung von Lebensdaten der
eigenen Vorfahren und Familien, sieht sich ausweislich des
Themenspektrums, das auf Ihrer Tagung behandelt wird, eindrucksvoll
eines besseren belehrt. An Ihrem Tagungsprogramm zeigt sich im übrigen,
wie gegenwartsnah Ihr auf die Vergangenheit gerichtetes
Erkenntnisstreben ist, denn das entscheidende Charakteristikum des
„Hollandgangs“ etwa, die nur bedingt freiwillige Mobilität und
Migration, ist ein Phänomen, das nach einer vorübergehenden Phase der
Ruhe inzwischen für viele Menschen wieder zu einem existentiellen
Problem geworden ist.

Ich wünsche Ihnen für Ihre Tagung einen guten Verlauf, viele neue
Erkenntnisse und einen fruchtbaren Gedanken- und Erfahrungsaustausch.

Ihr

Christian Wulff
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[HN] Familien Borcherding und Klie in Ahlden und Schessinghausen

Date: 2006/06/05 21:44:42
From: KS1410 <KS1410(a)aol.com>

Hallo,
ich suche in den Kirchspielen des Elbe-Weser-Dreiecks (nach  Borcherding, 
Klie, Schröder, Löhden).
Jetzt führt mich meine Suche in dieser Liste nach Nienburg.
 
Hilfe brauche ich bei der Suche nach der Familie von:
 
Johann Hinrich Klie (*1758 in Ahlden, + nach 1796 Ahlden)
(Vater: Hinrich Klie; Mutter: Marie Margaretha Feldtmann; Heiratsdatum um  
1750 in Ahlden).
 
Johann Hinrich Borcherding (*1.11.1777 in Schessinghausen, + 5.1.1822 in  
Liebenau
Heirat mit Sophie Margaretha Schröder (*1785 in Liebenau, + 24.7.1822  
Liebenau).
 
Cord Hihrich Schroeder (*1756 Wellie, 1.1.1808 Liebenau)
Heirat mit Margaretha Elisabetha Barghamsen (*1753, + 5.11.1793  Liebenau).
 
Vielen Dank für die Hilfe
 
Klaus (Schröder)

[HN] Mitfahrgelegenheit zur Genealogieboerse 10. 06.06 Bissendorf/Osnabrück

Date: 2006/06/06 09:59:29
From: Roland R . Rosina <genealog(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Mitforscherinnen und Mitforscher, 

zur 6. Norddeutschen Genealogiebörse (http://www.genealogieboerse.de) in Bissendorf bei Osnabrück biete ich kostenlose Mitfahrgelegenheit von/bis Bünde/Westfalen. 

Bei Interesse bitte Info direkt an: genealog(a)gmx.net  


Herzliche Grüße

Roland R. (Rosina) 

P.S.
Als ehrenamtlicher Mobilagent (http://www.mobilagenten.de) bin ich auch gerne bei der Auskunft zu Bahnverbindungen von/nach Bünde behilflich.

-- 
Forschungsschwerpunkte: (Gebiet/NAMEN)

Sudetenland:  BÖHM, BSTÄNDIG, FONTIN, GOPPOLD, LIFKA,
WONDRAK, 
Wuppertal + Rheinland: BOSSARD-SCHLEGEL, JAHNKE, WÜLFING, 
Breslau+Schlesien BIOW, BOSSARD, von BÜLTZINGSLÖWEN, 
Trentino + ehem. k.u.k. Monarchie: ROSINA, 
Molotschna (Mennoniten-Siedlungsgebiet; heute Ukraine)
FRIESEN, LÖWEN, BRAUN, KREMSER 

Re: [HN] Amt Hoya

Date: 2006/06/06 16:30:00
From: michael <mdearing(a)mhtc.net>

Go here first to see if the church books survive:

http://www.hist.de/yhoya.htm

   ----- original Nachricht --------
   Betreff: [HN] Help in former Kingdom of Hannover Gesendet: Di 16 Mai
   2006 18:21:45 CEST Von: DKnoepfel(a)aol.com > I wonder if there is
   someone on the liste living in Amt Hoya who would be > willing to do
   some research for me in the Amt. records for a fee. If so, > > would
they contact me at _DKnoepfel(a)aol.com_ (mailto:DKnoepfel(a)aol.com) . >


[HN] Wedemeyer

Date: 2006/06/06 19:32:47
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und-kollegen!

Ich hoffe, ich kann einen toten Punkt überwinden. Kennt jemand den Ort Petze, 31079 Sibesse-Petze, südlich von Hildesheim. Wer weiß, was es dort für Pfarrämter gibt und hat eventuell sogar die Adresse? Ich suche dort einen Magnus Julius Wilhelm Wedemeyer, geb.um 1770, Sohn des Johann Wedemeyer. Ich habe den Namen bei den Mormonen gefunden. Weitere Angaben waren nicht vorhanden.

Forscht eventuell jemand dort?

Ich bin für jede Information dankbar.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail: < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Re: [HN] Wedemeyer

Date: 2006/06/06 19:40:59
From: KlausKunzeUslar <KlausKunzeUslar(a)aol.com>

Sehr geehrter Herr Schweimler,
für solche Anfragen gibt es im Internet
http://gov.genealogy.net/index.jsp ,
wo sie den Ort sofort finden.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Klaus Kunze

[HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/06 23:46:19
From: Vickikimo <Vickikimo(a)aol.com>

 
HELLO,
I AM WONDERING IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME PUT TOGETHER THE  MINDERMANNS IN THE AMT 
ACHIM COUNTY OF HANNOVER. I HAVE THE 1855 CENSUS FROM  PART 5 & 6 AMT ACHIM 
WITH MINDERMANNS LISTED BUT SOME ARE 'WORKING' ON  FARMS FOR OTHER FAMILIES. MY 
ANCESTOR IS AHREND(AHRENT) MINDERMANN B:1782 LISTED  ON PG30 OF PART 6 (IN 
GIERSBERG), WITH OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. BUT THERE ARE OTHER  MINDERMANNS LISTED 
THROUGHOUT THE OTHER PARTS (1,2,3,4,5,6) AS WELL. I AM TRYING  TO TIE AHREND TO 
AUGUST, LODDIG, LUER, JOHANN, BEKE, GESCHE, HINRICH,  ETC. I FIGURE THEY MUST 
ALL BE RELATED SOMEHOW. SOME OF THE DATES GO BACK  TO EARLY 1700'S IN THIS 
AREA FOR THIS SURNAME. MY GGGRANDFATHER WAS  HERMANN(HARMON) MINDERMANN, SON OF 
AHREND OF THIS AREA, THAT EMIGRATED TO  DANBURY, OTTAWA CO., OH. OTHER 
SURNAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FAMILY ARE  BEERMANN, BEHRMANN, BOHLING, HUNEKE, 
KEDENBURG, BREDEHOFT, BREDBECK, WUHRMANN,  BLOCK(BLOCH), WINTJEN(WINTGEN), CLAUSEN, 
BAUMANN(BAMMANN), BOSCH(BUSCH),  . ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. 
DANKE,  VICKI 


Re: [HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/07 04:24:39
From: Fred Buck <fredbuck(a)sprynet.com>

Vicki,

Your first step should be to work with the church records for Achim.  The
LDS Family History Library has church records for the years 1715-1852 with
significant gaps before 1759.

You may never be able to connect all of the Mindermann lines together.  You
could easily find that several lines with that family name are present in
the earliest church records (Achim's earliest records go back to 1645).
This was the case for my Buck lines in the parish of Lamstedt -- there are
at least four major Buck lines that date back to the early 1600's and I
descend from three of them.

Fred Buck
Cincinnati, Ohio


----- Original Message -----
From: <Vickikimo(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:46 PM
Subject: [HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM 1700-1800'S



HELLO,
I AM WONDERING IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME PUT TOGETHER THE  MINDERMANNS IN THE
AMT
ACHIM COUNTY OF HANNOVER. I HAVE THE 1855 CENSUS FROM  PART 5 & 6 AMT ACHIM
WITH MINDERMANNS LISTED BUT SOME ARE 'WORKING' ON  FARMS FOR OTHER FAMILIES.
MY
ANCESTOR IS AHREND(AHRENT) MINDERMANN B:1782 LISTED  ON PG30 OF PART 6 (IN
GIERSBERG), WITH OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. BUT THERE ARE OTHER  MINDERMANNS
LISTED
THROUGHOUT THE OTHER PARTS (1,2,3,4,5,6) AS WELL. I AM TRYING  TO TIE AHREND
TO
AUGUST, LODDIG, LUER, JOHANN, BEKE, GESCHE, HINRICH,  ETC. I FIGURE THEY
MUST
ALL BE RELATED SOMEHOW. SOME OF THE DATES GO BACK  TO EARLY 1700'S IN THIS
AREA FOR THIS SURNAME. MY GGGRANDFATHER WAS  HERMANN(HARMON) MINDERMANN, SON
OF
AHREND OF THIS AREA, THAT EMIGRATED TO  DANBURY, OTTAWA CO., OH. OTHER
SURNAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FAMILY ARE  BEERMANN, BEHRMANN, BOHLING,
HUNEKE,
KEDENBURG, BREDEHOFT, BREDBECK, WUHRMANN,  BLOCK(BLOCH), WINTJEN(WINTGEN),
CLAUSEN,
BAUMANN(BAMMANN), BOSCH(BUSCH),  . ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
DANKE,  VICKI

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Re: [HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/07 05:41:34
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Vicki,

    You may have seen this page showing the emigrants from Daverden, which
is not far from Giersberg:

http://www.daverden.de/auswanderer_liste.php

   Because of that listing of the Mindermanns on that list, I would suggest
that you check the church records the LDS has for Daverden:

Kirchenbuch, 1715-1852
Authors     Evangelische Kirche Daverden (Kr. Achim)

  Maybe you have already done that. I wish you good luck!

Barbara



on 6/6/06 3:46 PM, Vickikimo(a)aol.com at Vickikimo(a)aol.com wrote:

> 
> HELLO,
> I AM WONDERING IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME PUT TOGETHER THE  MINDERMANNS IN THE AMT
> ACHIM COUNTY OF HANNOVER. I HAVE THE 1855 CENSUS FROM  PART 5 & 6 AMT ACHIM
> WITH MINDERMANNS LISTED BUT SOME ARE 'WORKING' ON  FARMS FOR OTHER FAMILIES.
> MY 
> ANCESTOR IS AHREND(AHRENT) MINDERMANN B:1782 LISTED  ON PG30 OF PART 6 (IN
> GIERSBERG), WITH OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS. BUT THERE ARE OTHER  MINDERMANNS LISTED
> THROUGHOUT THE OTHER PARTS (1,2,3,4,5,6) AS WELL. I AM TRYING  TO TIE AHREND
> TO 
> AUGUST, LODDIG, LUER, JOHANN, BEKE, GESCHE, HINRICH,  ETC. I FIGURE THEY MUST
> ALL BE RELATED SOMEHOW. SOME OF THE DATES GO BACK  TO EARLY 1700'S IN THIS
> AREA FOR THIS SURNAME. MY GGGRANDFATHER WAS  HERMANN(HARMON) MINDERMANN, SON
> OF 
> AHREND OF THIS AREA, THAT EMIGRATED TO  DANBURY, OTTAWA CO., OH. OTHER
> SURNAMES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FAMILY ARE  BEERMANN, BEHRMANN, BOHLING, HUNEKE,
> KEDENBURG, BREDEHOFT, BREDBECK, WUHRMANN,  BLOCK(BLOCH), WINTJEN(WINTGEN),
> CLAUSEN, 
> BAUMANN(BAMMANN), BOSCH(BUSCH),  . ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.
> DANKE,  VICKI 
> 
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Re: [HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/07 06:24:24
From: Vickikimo <Vickikimo(a)aol.com>

BARBARA,
THANK YOU FOR THE HELP. I LOOKED AT THE LIST, AND SURE ENOUGH,  IT HAS 
HERMANN MINDERMANN (MY G-G-GRANDFATHER). IT WILL LOOK UP MICROFILM #'S ON  LDS. DID 
NOT KNOW THEY HAD THOSE COPIES, I'VE BEEN ORDERING THE 1855 CENSUS  BOOKLETS 
FROM REGINA KOEPPE. VERY EXPENSIVE. NOW I CAN TRY TO RENT MICROFILM  INSTEAD, 
CHEAPER.
 
I DO NOT READ GERMAN MUCH BUT HAVE A CO-WORKER THAT IS GERMAN  THAT CAN HELP 
ME MAYBE. HOW DO I ACCESS THE SEARCH PAGE OR HOMEPAGE OF THE  AUSWANDERER 
LISTE? I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK FOR OTHER GERMAN FAMILY THAT  EMIGRATED.
 
ALOHA, VICKI 

Re: [HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/07 06:25:24
From: Vickikimo <Vickikimo(a)aol.com>

FRED, 
THANK YOU. YOU AND BARBARA ARE BEING A BIG HELP. I WILL LOOK  UP RECORDS ON 
LDS.
ALOHA, VICKI

Re: [HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/07 07:00:00
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Vicki,

     I did a Google search for "Mindermann Giersburg" and happened to get
that emigrant list. It appears to be something that was developed by a
person by the name of Rolf Massemann.  It was done by using the church
records of Daverden.  At least, I think that is what it says.  I use the
online translator: 
 http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

   It's a pretty rough translation, but you get the idea.  I would not
hesitate writing an email to Mr. Massemann if you have questions. More
Germans know English than Americans know German--BY FAR.

    If you have seen a map of the Giersburg area, it is a little difficult
to know what church your relatives may have attended.  I would have guessed
it would have been Etelsen, but it appears that Daverden was their church.
Unfortunately, neither the  Etelsen church records nor those of Langwedel
have been copied by the LDS.  I hope the Daverden records will have all you
need.  

    I don't think there is ONE place where you can find emigration lists in
Germany.  I WISH!  There are the emigration archives where the "paper work"
for the emigration was handled.  Unfortunately, your Mindermanns are not
listed there. Nor are  my family.  That is not unusual.

Good luck,
Barbara

on 6/6/06 10:24 PM, Vickikimo(a)aol.com at Vickikimo(a)aol.com wrote:

> BARBARA,
> THANK YOU FOR THE HELP. I LOOKED AT THE LIST, AND SURE ENOUGH,  IT HAS
> HERMANN MINDERMANN (MY G-G-GRANDFATHER). IT WILL LOOK UP MICROFILM #'S ON
> LDS. DID 
> NOT KNOW THEY HAD THOSE COPIES, I'VE BEEN ORDERING THE 1855 CENSUS  BOOKLETS
> FROM REGINA KOEPPE. VERY EXPENSIVE. NOW I CAN TRY TO RENT MICROFILM  INSTEAD,
> CHEAPER.
> 
> I DO NOT READ GERMAN MUCH BUT HAVE A CO-WORKER THAT IS GERMAN  THAT CAN HELP
> ME MAYBE. HOW DO I ACCESS THE SEARCH PAGE OR HOMEPAGE OF THE  AUSWANDERER
> LISTE? I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK FOR OTHER GERMAN FAMILY THAT  EMIGRATED.
> 
> ALOHA, VICKI 
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[HN] FW: [FamNord] Digital Books/Digitalisie rte Bücher

Date: 2006/06/07 07:30:07
From: FuP Hestermann <frohestory(a)web.de>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: famnord-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:famnord-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Mike Preiss
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:16 AM
> To: mecklenburg-l(a)genealogy.net; famnord(a)genealogy.net;
> brandenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: [FamNord] Digital Books/Digitalisierte Bücher
>
>
> I would like to make everyone aware that I have underwritten the
> digitalization of the below books, which may be of interest to the readers
> of this group. The links provide anyone free access to these works. The
> quality of the scans is excellent. We should be grateful to the
> Niedersächsische Staats- und Universitätsbibliothek Göttingen for making
> this service available. I now encourage the rest of you to find books of
> genealogical interest at this library and make them accessible in the same
> way. See http://digiwubu.gdz-cms.de/ for further details.
>
> Ich möchte die Mitglieder diese Liste aufmerksam machen das ich die
> Patenschaft für die folgenden Bücher aufgenommen habe. Durch die
> Links sind
> diese Bücher jetzt kostenlos für alle verfügbar. Die Scan Qualität ist
> hervorragend. Ich bin dankbar dass die Niedersächsische Staats- und
> Universitätsbibliothek Göttingen diese möglichkeit erfordert. Ich möchte
> jetzt andere Listmitglieder ermutigen Bücher von genealogischen Wert in
> diese Bibliothek aufzusuchen und gleichso verfügbar zu machen. Für weitere
> details: http://digiwubu.gdz-cms.de/ .
>
> Louis Ahlefeldt, Wulf August Rumohr Drüllt
> Die schleswig-holsteinische Ritterschaft
> 1869
>  <http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN508526345>
> http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN508526345
>
> Jakob Friedrich Joachim Bülow
> Mit Kupfern und vielen Urkunden versehene, historische, genealogische und
> critische Beschreibung des Edlen, Freyherr- und Gräflichen Geschlechts von
> Bülow
> 1780
>  <http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN51067996X>
> http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN51067996X
>
> Jakob Friedrich Joachim Bülow, Paul Bülow
> Familienbuch der von Bülow
> 1858
>   <http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN51070896X>
> http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN51070896X
>
> Gottfried Bülow
> Geschichtliche Nachrichten über die von Bülow zu Oebisfelde, als
> Beitrag zur
> Geschichte des Geschlechts nach urkundlichen Quellen
> 1860
>   <http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN510285430>
> http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN510285430
>
> Johann Friedrich Danneil
> Das Geschlecht von der Schulenburg
> 1847
>  <http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN510288499>
> http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN510288499
>
> Christian Wilhelm Grundmann
> Versuch einer Ucker-Märckischen Adels-Historie
> 1744
>  <http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN51174739X>
> http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN51174739X
>
> Friedrich Wilhelm Boldewin Ferdinand Knesebeck
> Stammtafeln des uralten Geschlechts der Herren von dem Knesebeck
> 1867
>  <http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN510280978>
> http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN510280978
>
> Alexander Reden
> Geschichtliches über das Geschlecht der "Von Reden" ;; als Handschrift
> gedruckt
> 1893
>  <http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN510386946>
> http://www-gdz.sub.uni-goettingen.de/cgi-bin/digbib.cgi?PPN510386946
>
>
> Michael Preiss
> San Francisco
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>
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[HN] Petze

Date: 2006/06/07 09:51:07
From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>

Hallo Juergen,

Meine Vorfahren (Oelker) kommen ebenfalls aus Petze und ich war letzten
Oktober dort, um mich umzusehen und ein paar entfernte Cousins
kennenzulernen.

Ich habe ebenfalls Wedemeier in meiner Sammlung:

Hermine Wedemeier, geb. 17 April 1877, heiratete am 17 April 1904 meinen 5.
Cousin um zwei Ecken rum (Brakebusch). Ihr Vater war Wilhelm Wedemeier, von
dem ich leider keine Daten habe.

Petze selbst ist ein sehr, sehr schoenes Dorf, eines der schoensten, die ich
je gesehen habe. Es wurde zum ersten Mal Anfang des 11. Jahrhunderts
urkundlich erwaehnt.

Wenn ich auch keine direkten Informationen ueber Deinen Vorfahren Magnus
Julius Wilhelm Wedemeier habe, so kann ich Dir doch wenigstens den Namen
seines Lehrers nennen: 1777 kam Lehrer Schaefer nach Petze und blieb dort 48
Jahre als Lehrer taetig. Sein Nachfolger, Ernst Heinrich Kutscher, blieb bis
1887, also 62 Jahre lang. Man kann sich das heutzutage gar nicht vorstellen,
dass in einem Dorf innerhalb von 110 Jahren nur zwei Lehrer waren.

Ich kaufte mir in Sibbesse ein Buch, das zur 1000 Jahr Feier von Sibbesse
herauskam und auch mehrere Seiten zu Petze beinhaltet. Wenn Du Interesse
hast, kann ich Dir die Seiten scannen und per Email schicken. Schreib an
mich direkt: erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com

Gruesse aus England

ERika


Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und-kollegen!

Ich hoffe, ich kann einen toten Punkt überwinden. Kennt jemand den Ort
Petze, 31079 Sibesse-Petze, südlich von Hildesheim. Wer weiß, was es dort
für Pfarrämter gibt und hat eventuell sogar die Adresse?
Ich suche dort einen Magnus Julius Wilhelm Wedemeyer, geb.um 1770, Sohn des
Johann Wedemeyer.
Ich habe den Namen bei den Mormonen gefunden. Weitere Angaben waren nicht
vorhanden.

Forscht eventuell jemand dort?

Ich bin für jede Information dankbar.

Gruß Jürgen



Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/07 18:09:57
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Jürgen Schweimler" <schweimler(a)tiscali.de> schrieb:
> Hallo Forscherkolleginnen und - kollegen!
> 
> Ist jemand vielleicht im Besitz der Niedersächsische Trauregister 
> Calenberger Land, Band 2, 1701 bis 1750 , von Jürgen Ritter?
> Ich suche nach einer Heirat Faulendorf, Pfulendorf oder Fulendorf, 
> eigentlich im Raum Herzberg, möglicherweise aber auch in den Hannoverschen 
> Garnisonskirchenbüchern.
> 
> Ich würde mich freuen, wenn jemand einmal nachsehen könnte.
> 
> Gruß Jürgen
> 


Hallo Jürgen,

leider kann ich Dir nicht weiterhelfen. In den Niedersächsischen Trauregistern Calenberger Land, Band 2, taucht keine der genannten oder ähnlichen Namensvariationen auf. Das gleiche gilt übrigens auch für die 10. Lieferung Osterode der Trauregister aus Südniedersachsen, Band 2, die mir ebenfalls vorliegt.

Freundliche Grüße,
Wilfried (Petersen)


Re: [HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/07 19:51:20
From: Vickikimo <Vickikimo(a)aol.com>

BARBARA,
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HELP. AT LEAST I HAVE SOMEWHERE  TO START.
ALOHA, VICKI

Re: [HN] Oelrichs

Date: 2006/06/07 21:07:52
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>

Hi Michael,
I thing your ancestor was born in : (today)  Winsen / Luhe. 
That is near Lüneburg.
Viele Grüße  sendet Petra
----- original Nachricht --------

Betreff: [HN] Oelrichs
Gesendet: Mi 07 Jun 2006 17:03:34 CEST
Von: "Michael Oelrichs"<m.oelrichs(a)hallconstruction.uk.com>

> Guten Tag
> 
> Appologies for not writing in German.
> 
> I have just discovered one of my ancestors was born in Lühe.
> 
> In email sent to me last week "Henry Frederic Oelrichs, retired
> civil-servant at the East-Indies 
> (Dutch Colonies, now Indonesia) died at the age of 65 on 27 January 
> 1881at The Hague, he was born in Lühe [Kreiz Winsen, Hannover] as 
> the son of  Peter Andresen Oelrichs and Ann Bunting, both deceased, 
> married to Margaretha Charlotta Glignett, without occupation." 
> 
> Can anyone assist me or point me in the right direction to find out more
> about Henry Frederic Oelrichs and his parents Peter Andresen Oelrichs & Ann
> Bunting?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Michael Oelrichs
> 
> in Sheffield, England
> 
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Re: [HN] Familien Borcherding und Klie in Ahlden und Schessinghausen

Date: 2006/06/07 21:53:02
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Klaus 
Klie habe ich hier in Adelheitsdorf /Celle eine Linie Klie (kurzfristig erwähnt, ) und auch in Bostel / Celle, zwei Linien Klie, wenn dich das interesiert. Der Name ist nicht so häufig. Letzteres aus Bostel hatte die ständige Namensfolge von Heinrich. Leider nur von Geburt an ca. 1822. Aber in Büchern ist die namensfolge bis 1770 zurück zu verfolgen.
Liebe Grüße sendet dir Petra
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Betreff: [HN] Familien Borcherding und Klie in Ahlden und Schessinghausen
Gesendet: Mo 05 Jun 2006 21:49:21 CEST
Von: KS1410(a)aol.com

> Hallo,
> ich suche in den Kirchspielen des Elbe-Weser-Dreiecks (nach  Borcherding, 
> Klie, Schröder, Löhden).
> Jetzt führt mich meine Suche in dieser Liste nach Nienburg.
>  
> Hilfe brauche ich bei der Suche nach der Familie von:
>  
> Johann Hinrich Klie (*1758 in Ahlden, + nach 1796 Ahlden)
> (Vater: Hinrich Klie; Mutter: Marie Margaretha Feldtmann; Heiratsdatum um  
> 1750 in Ahlden).
>  
> Johann Hinrich Borcherding (*1.11.1777 in Schessinghausen, + 5.1.1822 in  
> Liebenau
> Heirat mit Sophie Margaretha Schröder (*1785 in Liebenau, + 24.7.1822  
> Liebenau).
>  
> Cord Hihrich Schroeder (*1756 Wellie, 1.1.1808 Liebenau)
> Heirat mit Margaretha Elisabetha Barghamsen (*1753, + 5.11.1793  Liebenau).
>  
> Vielen Dank für die Hilfe
>  
> Klaus (Schröder)
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Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/07 22:59:52
From: Karlo Vegelahn <Archiv.Vegelahn(a)t-online.de>

Hallo, bin auch die Caleberger, Südniedersachsen, Grubenhagen 1689 und Göttinger Bürgeraufnahmen durch gegangen und konnte den Namen oder ähnliche Varinten nicht finden

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Re: [HN] Oelrichs

Date: 2006/06/08 00:00:57
From: Ralf Stamporek <R.S(a)pobox.com>

Michael,

in this context, it may or not be known, that there is a marriage
record at St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England on the
day of April 4, 1809, which records that Peter OELRICHS was married
to Ann(e) BUNTING.

If everything else matches, it must be those two, you are looking for
as the parents of Heinrich Friedrich OELRICHS. You might also recall,
that King George IV was also King of Hannover, never visiting this
country.

Good luck, and regards,
Ralf Stamporek

p.kuske(a)freenet.de schrieb:
Hi Michael,
I thing your ancestor was born in : (today) Winsen / Luhe. That is near Lüneburg.
Viele Grüße  sendet Petra
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about Henry Frederic Oelrichs and his parents Peter Andresen Oelrichs & Ann
Bunting?

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[HN] Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt

Date: 2006/06/08 04:41:19
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>

 Fellow listers,Can anyone tell me if Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt was a part of Hannover from 1800-1880?By the way, does 'kirchspiel' mean diocese or synod?  If not, what does it mean?Thanks,Bobbi

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Re: [HN] Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt

Date: 2006/06/08 05:21:24
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Yes, there is a tiny town called Hollen that is north of Bramstedt.  It is
just to the west of Lunestedt.  There are other towns by that name in
Hannover. 
Kirche means church.  Spiel means a play or a game.  I don't know what the
two words together means.

Barbara



on 6/7/06 8:41 PM, bobbidoll at bobbidoll(a)myway.com wrote:

> kirchspiel


Re: [HN] Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt

Date: 2006/06/08 07:30:54
From: post <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Dear friends,

"Kirchspiel" is "parish"

Kindly regrads from Langenhagen, Germany,

Björn

>Yes, there is a tiny town called Hollen that is north of Bramstedt.  It is
>just to the west of Lunestedt.  There are other towns by that name in
>Hannover. 
>Kirche means church.  Spiel means a play or a game.  I don't know what the
>two words together means.
>
>Barbara
>
>
>
>on 6/7/06 8:41 PM, bobbidoll at bobbidoll(a)myway.com wrote:
>
>> kirchspiel
>
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Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/08 13:40:17
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Wilfried!

Vielen Dank für Deine Mühe! Ich komme einfach über den toten Punkt nicht hinweg.Vielleicht liegt es ja daran, daß die Männer Soldaten waren, die mal da und mal dort stationiert waren.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
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Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
An: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 18:09
Betreff: Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Hallo Jürgen,

leider kann ich Dir nicht weiterhelfen. In den Niedersächsischen Trauregistern Calenberger Land, Band 2, taucht keine der genannten oder ähnlichen Namensvariationen auf. Das gleiche gilt übrigens auch für die 10. Lieferung Osterode der Trauregister aus Südniedersachsen, Band 2, die mir ebenfalls vorliegt.

Freundliche Grüße,
Wilfried (Petersen)




Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/08 15:01:35
From: rfleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Hallo Herr Petersen,
Isuche immer noch nach WLOME /WLOEME oder aehnlich lautent in Calenberger Land , auch in Suedniedersachsen muessten welche gewohnt haben. Vielen waren Buergermeister.
Wenn Sie mal ein Augenblick Zeit haben, koennten Sie mal schauen Bitte
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land


Hallo Wilfried!

Vielen Dank für Deine Mühe! Ich komme einfach über den toten Punkt nicht
hinweg.Vielleicht liegt es ja daran, daß die Männer Soldaten waren, die mal
da und mal dort stationiert waren.

Gruß Jürgen

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler
Harnischstraße 4
41515 Grevenbroich
Telefon: 02181/6 15 35
e-mail:  < schweimler(a)tiscali.de>
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Juni 2006 18:09
Betreff: Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Hallo Jürgen,

leider kann ich Dir nicht weiterhelfen. In den Niedersächsischen
Trauregistern Calenberger Land, Band 2, taucht keine der genannten oder
ähnlichen Namensvariationen auf. Das gleiche gilt übrigens auch für die 10.
Lieferung Osterode der Trauregister aus Südniedersachsen, Band 2, die mir
ebenfalls vorliegt.

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Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/08 16:20:40
From: J. Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Hallo Wilfried ,

Wen Sie nochmal ein Augenblick Zeit haben , können Sie dann
für mich nachschauen ob die Name FREUDENHAMMER  auch
vorkommt , und zwar vor 1700 .
Vielen Dank im Voraus .

Mit freundlichen Grüssen aus Holland ,
Jacobus Hannema .



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Hallo Jürgen,

leider kann ich Dir nicht weiterhelfen. In den Niedersächsischen Trauregistern Calenberger Land, Band 2, taucht keine der genannten oder ähnlichen Namensvariationen auf. Das gleiche gilt übrigens auch für die 10. Lieferung Osterode der Trauregister aus Südniedersachsen, Band 2, die mir ebenfalls vorliegt.

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[HN] Reihe "Die Deutschen Inschriften"

Date: 2006/06/08 17:14:31
From: Felix Arndt <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Liste,

durch Zufall stieß ich bei meiner Forschung nach bürgerlichen Ahnen auf die wissenschaftliche Reihe "Die Deutschen Inschriften".
Da sie mir eine große Hilfe war, möchte ich Euch diesen Hinweis nicht vorenthalten und Euch empfehlen, die Werke einmal in einer größeren Bibliothek einzusehen!

Diese Reihe bildet eine exzellente Quelle für die Ahnenforschung in den Städten des Mittelalters und der frühen Neuzeit: Es werden zahlreiche Grab- und Hausinschriften wiedergegeben, die bisweilen größtenteils heute nicht mehr existieren (Zerstörung im Zweiten Weltkrieg etc.).

So konnte ich z. B. dank des Buches "Die Inschriften der Stadt Hameln" auf Grabinschriften von Ahnen, bei welchen ich mit der genauen Ordnung der Familienverhältnisse noch große Probleme hatte, die einzelnen Familienmitglieder in den richtigen Zusammenhang stellen.

Dieses Werk war also für mich nicht bloß die entscheidende Ergänzung zu anderer Literatur, sondern die wiedergegebenen und übersetzten Gedichte auf den nicht erhaltenen Grabplatten meiner Ahnen aus dem 16. Jh. machten mir diese beinahe "persönlich bekannt".

Sollte einer von Euch einmal das Buch "Die Inschriften der Stadt Lemgo" (2004) einsehen, so teile er mir doch bitte mit, ob in diesem Werk Inschriften mit Bezug auf die Familie FALCKE / FALCO / FALCONIUS / FALK / FALKE / FALKENBERKIUS (oder ähnlich) enthalten sind. 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Felix Arndt

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[HN] WLOME /WLOEME; war: Re: Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/08 17:29:11
From: Felix Arndt <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Herr Fleumer,

in der Calenbergischen Musterungsrolle von 1585 werden erwähnt...

Schoningen, Gericht Uslar:
Köter:
Ilse WLOMEN, Witwe
sowie 
Hans WLOMEN, über 100 Jahre alt

Sonst sind keinerlei weitere Namensträger im Herzogtum Calenberg verzeichnet! Ich hoffe, die Angaben helfen weiter.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Felix Arndt

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Re: [HN] WLOME /WLOEME; war: Re: Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/08 17:53:52
From: rfleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Hallo Felix,
Herzlichen Dank fuer deine Muehe. Heisst dass, der Hans mit ueber 100 Jahre alt , hatte noch geheiratet ?? Was fuer weiteren Details gibt es noch ?
Gruss aus Rotterdam
Rudolf Fleumer


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Subject: [HN] WLOME /WLOEME; war: Re: Trauregister Calenberger Land


Hallo Herr Fleumer,

in der Calenbergischen Musterungsrolle von 1585 werden erwähnt...

Schoningen, Gericht Uslar:
Köter:
Ilse WLOMEN, Witwe
sowie
Hans WLOMEN, über 100 Jahre alt

Sonst sind keinerlei weitere Namensträger im Herzogtum Calenberg verzeichnet! Ich hoffe, die Angaben helfen weiter.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

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Re: [HN] Reihe "Die Deutschen Inschriften"

Date: 2006/06/08 19:08:11
From: Wolfgang Ewig <ewig1(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Liste,
ich kann ein Exemplar "Die Inschriften der Stadt Hameln" abgeben. Außer ein paar handschriftlichen Vermerken ist das Buch in gutem Zustand.
Gruss
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Subject: [HN] Reihe "Die Deutschen Inschriften"


Liebe Liste,

durch Zufall stieß ich bei meiner Forschung nach bürgerlichen Ahnen auf die wissenschaftliche Reihe "Die Deutschen Inschriften". Da sie mir eine große Hilfe war, möchte ich Euch diesen Hinweis nicht vorenthalten und Euch empfehlen, die Werke einmal in einer größeren Bibliothek einzusehen!

Diese Reihe bildet eine exzellente Quelle für die Ahnenforschung in den Städten des Mittelalters und der frühen Neuzeit: Es werden zahlreiche Grab- und Hausinschriften wiedergegeben, die bisweilen größtenteils heute nicht mehr existieren (Zerstörung im Zweiten Weltkrieg etc.).

So konnte ich z. B. dank des Buches "Die Inschriften der Stadt Hameln" auf Grabinschriften von Ahnen, bei welchen ich mit der genauen Ordnung der Familienverhältnisse noch große Probleme hatte, die einzelnen Familienmitglieder in den richtigen Zusammenhang stellen.

Dieses Werk war also für mich nicht bloß die entscheidende Ergänzung zu anderer Literatur, sondern die wiedergegebenen und übersetzten Gedichte auf den nicht erhaltenen Grabplatten meiner Ahnen aus dem 16. Jh. machten mir diese beinahe "persönlich bekannt".

Sollte einer von Euch einmal das Buch "Die Inschriften der Stadt Lemgo" (2004) einsehen, so teile er mir doch bitte mit, ob in diesem Werk Inschriften mit Bezug auf die Familie FALCKE / FALCO / FALCONIUS / FALK / FALKE / FALKENBERKIUS (oder ähnlich) enthalten sind.

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Re: [HN] Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt

Date: 2006/06/08 19:57:14
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

Kirchspiel means Parish. A community of villages that attend one church.

Bramstedt and Hollen were a part of Hannover when it existed except during
Napoleon's occupation.

Paul Scheele

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> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:41 PM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: [HN] Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt
> 
>  Fellow listers,Can anyone tell me if Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt was a
> part of Hannover from 1800-1880?By the way, does 'kirchspiel' mean diocese
> or synod?  If not, what does it mean?Thanks,Bobbi
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[HN] L.A. Müller

Date: 2006/06/08 21:18:00
From: Wolfgang Brülle <jwbruelle(a)t-online.de>

Wer kann Angaben zu Ludolph Ascanius Müller, geb. in Hannover, später Rektor in Stolberg und Pfarrer in Berga, machen? Er starb am 24. März 1696 in Berga/Südharz.
Zur Vervollständigung meiner Ahnenliste bin ich für jeden Hinweis dankbar.

Grüße aus Lippstadt,
W. Brülle

[HN] Suche LENDEKE / LENTER

Date: 2006/06/08 22:42:51
From: Felix Arndt <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Liste,

ich such nach Hinweisen zur Familie von 
Anna geb. LENTER (LENTERS)
*Hameln +10.12.1577 Hameln Emmernstr. 10
OO 
Magister Johannes FALCKE (Johan FALCKE / Johannes FALCONIUS / Johannes FALKE), Medicus practicus und Stadtphysikus zu Hameln sowie landgräflich hessischer Leibmedicus
*Lemgo +02.12.1586 Hameln Emmernstr. 10

Da ein Johan LENDEKE (tot 1588?), welcher 1585 Pastor zu Lehrbeck und "Scholae Mindensis Collega" war, als Vetter eines der Enkel von FALCKE und LENTER genannt wird, so nehme ich an, dass die LENTER und LENDEKE eine Familie waren.

Kann mir jemand Näheres über diese Bürgerfamilie mitteilen?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Felix Arndt

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Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/08 23:53:23
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"J. Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
> Hallo Wilfried ,
> 
> Wen Sie nochmal ein Augenblick Zeit haben , können Sie dann
> für mich nachschauen ob die Name FREUDENHAMMER  auch
> vorkommt , und zwar vor 1700 .
> Vielen Dank im Voraus .
> 
> Mit freundlichen Grüssen aus Holland ,
> Jacobus Hannema .
> 
> 
Hallo Jacobus,

in den "Trauregistern aus den Kirchenbüchern im Calenberger Land" finden sich vor 1700 folgende Einträge:

Hannover - Kreuzkirche
19.07.1638  	Freudenhammer, H.Johannes, Fstl.Br.Kämmerer 
		oo 
		Westenholtz, F.Cath.-Maria, Wwe.Rudolph-Baltzer Ziegenmeyer, Amtmann/Knesebeck

Hannover - Marktkirche
03.11.1678	Freudenhammer, H.Julius Eberhardt, Amtsschreiber/Dannenberg
		oo
		Ahrens, J.Anna Elisab., V:+H.Wilh., Amtmann/Marienwerder


Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Mainz,
Wilfried Petersen



Re: [HN] Familien Borcherding und Klie in Ahlden und Schessinghausen

Date: 2006/06/09 06:27:23
From: Jürgen E . W . Meyer <jew.meyer(a)online.de>

Hallo Klaus Schröder,
eine Familie Borcherding gibt es in den KB der Garnisonskirche Stade. Anbei das, was sie hergeben. Es ist nicht viel, aber .... Sollten Ihnen Ergänzungen bekannt sein, würde ich mich freuen, sie zu bekommen.
Frohes (und hoffentlich warmes) Wochenende
Jürgen E.W. Meyer
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Subject: Re: [HN] Familien Borcherding und Klie in Ahlden und Schessinghausen


Hallo Klaus
Klie habe ich hier in Adelheitsdorf /Celle eine Linie Klie (kurzfristig erwähnt, ) und auch in Bostel / Celle, zwei Linien Klie, wenn dich das interesiert. Der Name ist nicht so häufig. Letzteres aus Bostel hatte die ständige Namensfolge von Heinrich. Leider nur von Geburt an ca. 1822. Aber in Büchern ist die namensfolge bis 1770 zurück zu verfolgen.
Liebe Grüße sendet dir Petra
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Betreff: [HN] Familien Borcherding und Klie in Ahlden und Schessinghausen
Gesendet: Mo 05 Jun 2006 21:49:21 CEST
Von: KS1410(a)aol.com

Hallo,
ich suche in den Kirchspielen des Elbe-Weser-Dreiecks (nach  Borcherding,
Klie, Schröder, Löhden).
Jetzt führt mich meine Suche in dieser Liste nach Nienburg.

Hilfe brauche ich bei der Suche nach der Familie von:

Johann Hinrich Klie (*1758 in Ahlden, + nach 1796 Ahlden)
(Vater: Hinrich Klie; Mutter: Marie Margaretha Feldtmann; Heiratsdatum um
1750 in Ahlden).

Johann Hinrich Borcherding (*1.11.1777 in Schessinghausen, + 5.1.1822 in
Liebenau
Heirat mit Sophie Margaretha Schröder (*1785 in Liebenau, + 24.7.1822
Liebenau).

Cord Hihrich Schroeder (*1756 Wellie, 1.1.1808 Liebenau)
Heirat mit Margaretha Elisabetha Barghamsen (*1753, + 5.11.1793 Liebenau).

Vielen Dank für die Hilfe

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[HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/09 08:59:45
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Seek info and researchers working on Johann Friedrich Heinrich Gansberg 
b. October 1849 in or near Bremen, emigrated to the USA to avoid the 
Prussian Army draft.

Also, was the Draft Census in 1870?

Many thanks for any help!
Maureen in Chicago

Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/09 12:39:48
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"rfleumer" <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl> schrieb:
> Hallo Herr Petersen,
> Isuche immer noch nach WLOME /WLOEME oder aehnlich lautent in Calenberger 
> Land , auch in Suedniedersachsen muessten welche gewohnt haben. Vielen waren 
> Buergermeister.
> Wenn Sie mal ein Augenblick Zeit haben, koennten Sie mal schauen Bitte


Hallo, Herr Fleumer,

in den "Trauregistern aus dem Calenberger Land" finden sich folgende Einträge mit den von Ihnen gesuchten Namen:

Eldagsen (ab 1593):

17.04.1678	Wlöme, Stephanus, I.U.Licent., Landfiscal u.Contributionscommissar
		oo
		Weye, Maria, Wwe Joachim Spitzbarth, Pastor prim./Eldagsen

13.02.1681	Spitzbarth, H.Joh.Reinhard   oo	 Wlöme, J.Marg.Benigna

05.12.1682	Steiner, Joh.  oo  Weyhe, Maria Elisab., Wwe N. Wlöme, Licentiat

01.08.1689	Wlöme, Mons.Henr.Jacob  oo  Dippe, Anne Elisab.


Hajen (ab 1674):

22.09.1678	Brunck, Christian, Hauptmann  oo  Wlöme, Cath.Margr.


Später erscheint der Name nicht mehr in den Trauregistern (bis 1750).

In der "Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689" taucht der Name Wlöme 2 x auf, und zwar in Teil 1, S. 213 (Stadt Eldagsen) und Teil 11, S. 268 (Stadt Einbeck). Ich habe dazu leider nur den Teil 11. Dort steht:

Stadt Einbeck - Markt-Kirchspiel:

Christoph Wlömen, Schneider (1 Th.) oo N.N. (12 Gr.), Kinder: ? - (2 Pers.),
dazu die Fußnote: 1678 nicht eingetragen. Kinderzahl fehlt im Or.; wohl Irrtum.


Das ist das, was ich finden konnte. Vielleicht hilft es etwas weiter.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen vom Rhein
Wilfried Petersen



Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/09 18:10:49
From: rfleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Herzlichen Dank Wilfried
Gruss Rudolf aus Rotterdam



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Subject: Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land


"rfleumer" <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl> schrieb:
Hallo Herr Petersen,
Isuche immer noch nach WLOME /WLOEME oder aehnlich lautent in Calenberger
Land , auch in Suedniedersachsen muessten welche gewohnt haben. Vielen waren
Buergermeister.
Wenn Sie mal ein Augenblick Zeit haben, koennten Sie mal schauen Bitte


Hallo, Herr Fleumer,

in den "Trauregistern aus dem Calenberger Land" finden sich folgende Einträge mit den von Ihnen gesuchten Namen:

Eldagsen (ab 1593):

17.04.1678 Wlöme, Stephanus, I.U.Licent., Landfiscal u.Contributionscommissar
oo
Weye, Maria, Wwe Joachim Spitzbarth, Pastor prim./Eldagsen

13.02.1681 Spitzbarth, H.Joh.Reinhard   oo Wlöme, J.Marg.Benigna

05.12.1682 Steiner, Joh.  oo  Weyhe, Maria Elisab., Wwe N. Wlöme, Licentiat

01.08.1689 Wlöme, Mons.Henr.Jacob  oo  Dippe, Anne Elisab.


Hajen (ab 1674):

22.09.1678 Brunck, Christian, Hauptmann  oo  Wlöme, Cath.Margr.


Später erscheint der Name nicht mehr in den Trauregistern (bis 1750).

In der "Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689" taucht der Name Wlöme 2 x auf, und zwar in Teil 1, S. 213 (Stadt Eldagsen) und Teil 11, S. 268 (Stadt Einbeck). Ich habe dazu leider nur den Teil 11. Dort steht:

Stadt Einbeck - Markt-Kirchspiel:

Christoph Wlömen, Schneider (1 Th.) oo N.N. (12 Gr.), Kinder: ? - (2 Pers.),
dazu die Fußnote: 1678 nicht eingetragen. Kinderzahl fehlt im Or.; wohl Irrtum.


Das ist das, was ich finden konnte. Vielleicht hilft es etwas weiter.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen vom Rhein
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[HN] GenWiki hat ein neues Gesicht

Date: 2006/06/09 19:34:46
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[Weitergeleitete Nachricht vom CompGen-Team]

Liebe ListenleserInnen,

wir haben uns die Köpfe heiß geredet, die Tastaturen gequält,
entworfen,
verworfen und wieder entworfen und jetzt ist sie fertig: die neue
Hauptseite fürs GenWiki.

http://wiki.genealogy.net

Was ist neu?
Wir haben alle Elemente der alten Hauptseite übernommen und in
Themenfelder gestellt, die einen kleinen Erläuterungstext beinhalten
und
auf dazugehörende Portalseiten führen. Die Portale und die Hauptseite
sind im gleichen Layout gestaltet: die Farbgestaltung der Rahmen
wiederholt die Farben des CompGen-Symbols.

Die Portale geben einen systematischen Überblick über die Inhalte des
GenWiki und sind direkt und von jeder Seite aus über die erweiterte
Navigationsleiste am linken Bildschirmrand zu erreichen. Auch die
„Kategorie:Hauptthemen“ ist jetzt so von überall direkt aufzurufen.

Neu ist das „Portal des Monats“. Hier wird in den nächsten Monaten
jeweils ein Portal besonders hervorgehoben und auf seine Inhalte
aufmerksam gemacht werden. Den Anfang macht das Portal „Ausgesuchte
Artikel“. Es ersetzt die bisherigen „Lesenswerten Artikel“. Wir halten
diese Bezeichnung für ein wenig neutraler gegenüber all den Artikeln,
die die Auszeichnung „Ausgesuchter Artikel“ (statt „Lesenswerter
Artikel“) nicht haben.

Neu ist auch das „Review“, das dem „Portal Ausgesuchte Artikel“
angeschlossen ist. Es soll Autoren motivieren, freiwillig (kein
Zwang!)
ihre fertig gestellten Artikel dort vorzustellen und gemeinsam mit
anderen Autoren zu überlegen, was man noch verbessern könnte. Dabei
sind
ein paar inhaltliche und formale Kriterien zu erfüllen. Wir hoffen,
damit den Ehrgeiz der Autoren zu wecken, auch die Auszeichnung
„Ausgesuchter Artikel“ zu bekommen und damit die Qualität und
Aussagekraft unserer Artikel insgesamt zu steigern. Viele ausgesuchte
Artikel werden in den anderen Portalseiten als beispielhaft dafür
zitiert, wie ein Artikel aus den jeweiligen Bereichen aussehen, welche
Informationen er liefern kann.

Erster Artikel im Review ist das „Portal Mitmach-Hilfe“. Es soll als
nächstes „Portal des Monats“ vorgestellt und vorher gründlich
überarbeitet werden, incl. seiner Artikel. Eine gute und leicht
verständliche Mitmach-Hilfe ist unseres Erachtens das A und O für gute
Artikel im GenWiki. Anregungen zur Verbesserung werden am besten auf
die
Diskussionsseite des Portals geschrieben. Wir werden diese zunächst
sammeln und dann mit der Auswertung und Umsetzung beginnen. Mithelfer
sind stets willkommen.

Es ist ein Wiki!

Wir hoffen, euch gefällt, was wir in den letzten Wochen erarbeitet
haben. Jetzt sind wir gespannt auf eure Rückmeldungen!

Herzliche Grüße
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Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/10 10:36:29
From: J. Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Guten Morgen Wilfried ,

Dank Für die Daten über Freudenhammer .  Haben Sie vielleicht
auch die Taufregister ?

Schönes Wochenende un mit freundlichen Grüssen aus Holland ,
Jacobus Hannema .



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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land


"J. Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
Hallo Wilfried ,

Wen Sie nochmal ein Augenblick Zeit haben , können Sie dann
für mich nachschauen ob die Name FREUDENHAMMER  auch
vorkommt , und zwar vor 1700 .
Vielen Dank im Voraus .

Mit freundlichen Grüssen aus Holland ,
Jacobus Hannema .


Hallo Jacobus,

in den "Trauregistern aus den Kirchenbüchern im Calenberger Land" finden sich vor 1700 folgende Einträge:

Hannover - Kreuzkirche
19.07.1638  Freudenhammer, H.Johannes, Fstl.Br.Kämmerer
oo
Westenholtz, F.Cath.-Maria, Wwe.Rudolph-Baltzer Ziegenmeyer, Amtmann/Knesebeck

Hannover - Marktkirche
03.11.1678 Freudenhammer, H.Julius Eberhardt, Amtsschreiber/Dannenberg
oo
Ahrens, J.Anna Elisab., V:+H.Wilh., Amtmann/Marienwerder


Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Mainz,
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Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/10 12:16:52
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"J. Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
> Guten Morgen Wilfried ,
> 
> Dank Für die Daten über Freudenhammer .  Haben Sie vielleicht
> auch die Taufregister ?
> 

Hallo Jacobus,

leider nein. Die gibt es nicht gedruckt und veröffentlicht. Das ist nur für Trauregister der Fall.

Viele Grüße
Wilfried Petersen


Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land

Date: 2006/06/10 13:12:23
From: J. Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Hallo Wilfried ,

Dank für Ihre Antwort ,  schade !

Mit freundlichen Grüssen aus Holland ,
Jacobus Hannema .



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Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Trauregister Calenberger Land


"J. Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
Guten Morgen Wilfried ,

Dank Für die Daten über Freudenhammer .  Haben Sie vielleicht
auch die Taufregister ?


Hallo Jacobus,

leider nein. Die gibt es nicht gedruckt und veröffentlicht. Das ist nur für Trauregister der Fall.

Viele Grüße
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Re: [HN] L.A. Müller

Date: 2006/06/10 15:22:13
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Wolfgang Brülle" <jwbruelle(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Wer kann Angaben zu Ludolph Ascanius Müller, geb. in Hannover, später Rektor in Stolberg und Pfarrer in Berga, machen? Er starb am 24. März 1696 in Berga/Südharz.
> Zur Vervollständigung meiner Ahnenliste bin ich für jeden Hinweis dankbar.
> 

Hallo Herr Brülle,

vielleicht hilft folgender Hinweis etwas weiter: Berga gehört zur Kirchenprovinz Sachsen. Zur Zeit erscheint das "Pfarrerbuch der Kirchenprovinz Sachsen". Bisher erschienen sind die Bände 1. A-Bo (2003), 2. Br-Fa (2004), 3. Fe-Ha (2005). Bis "Mü" müßten Sie sich also wohl noch etwas gedulden.

Freundliche Grüße,
Wilfried Petersen


Re: [HN] Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt

Date: 2006/06/10 20:11:16
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>

 
To Barbara, Björn &amp; Lena,Thank you very much for replying.Do you know if it was considered part of Hannover from 1800-1880?Bobbi

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Re: [HN] Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt

Date: 2006/06/10 20:13:59
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>

 
Oops!Thanks Paul.  I sent the other note before seeing this one.Bobbi --- On Thu 06/08, Paul Scheele &lt; pfsco1(a)comcast.net &gt; wrote:From: Paul Scheele [mailto: pfsco1(a)comcast.net]To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.netDate: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:57:07 -0600Subject: Re: [HN] Hollen, kirchspiel BramstedtKirchspiel means Parish. A community of villages that attend one church.Bramstedt and Hollen were a part of Hannover when it existed except duringNapoleon's occupation.Paul Scheele&gt; -----Original Message-----&gt; From: hannover-l-bounces+pfsco1=comcast.net(a)genealogy.net&gt; [mailto:hannover-l-bounces+pfsco1=comcast.net(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of&gt; bobbidoll&gt; Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:41 PM&gt; To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net&gt; Subject: [HN] Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt&gt; &gt;  Fellow listers,Can anyone tell me if Hollen, kirchspiel Bramstedt was a&gt; part of Hannover from 1800-1880?By the way, does 'kirchspiel' mean diocese&gt; or synod?  If not, what does it 
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Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/12 02:49:39
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Not sure about a draft census in 1870, but that was the year that the Franco-Prussian War began. Many Hannoverians took flight at that time, by way of emigration, due to growing concerns of Prussian intentions and expansion, fearing that a war with France might drag on unexpectedly and cost German society (or their loved ones) dearly. Beyond that, feelings of resentment had not fully abated in Niedersachsen after the kingdom came under the thumb of Bismarck and the Kaiser with the recent annexation. As it were, the Franco-Prussian conflict lasted only 6 months (for all intents and purposes), with a decisive and crushing victory for Prussia and Germany. Equally noteworthy was the fact that troops from so many German states, both north and south (Prussians, Badeners, Bavarians, Saxons, etc.), fought jointly in a union that proved remarkably effective, and cohesive.

This war in particular demonstrated the growing importance of logistics and mobility, as well as the importance of having a centralized command. Countries without a General Staff or conscription soon created both in light of what they witnessed. Prussian victory ultimately came at a price though, as it destroyed the balance of power that had been created with the Congress of Vienna after the end of the Napoleonic Wars. Germany was now the main power in Europe, with the most powerful military and a society hinged largely around militarism and a growing nationalistic pride (from which Bismarck could tap, although somewhat reluctantly). It also helped create a permanent state of crisis between Germany and France, which would be one of the contributing factors leading to World War I - and troubles beyond.

Of course, one look at the Parisians today and there fabled haughtiness, and I find myself dreaming of a Moltke led Preussen division of my own, rolling er, westward! ;-)

Jb @ *&(^*# !!


From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:59:32 -0500

Seek info and researchers working on Johann Friedrich Heinrich Gansberg
b. October 1849 in or near Bremen, emigrated to the USA to avoid the
Prussian Army draft.

Also, was the Draft Census in 1870?

Many thanks for any help!
Maureen in Chicago

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[HN] Kopfsteuerbeschr. Calenberg-Goettingen u.Grubenhagen 1689, Teil 1, Seite 213 Eldagsen

Date: 2006/06/12 14:49:46
From: rfleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
Ich suche nach der Name WLOEME in der Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689 , Teil 1 ,Seite 213 Stadt Eldagsen.
Wer kann mir helfen Bitte ?
Gruss aus Rotterdam Holland
Rudolf Fleumer

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3045 AP Rotterdam
Holland
Tel. 0031 10 2621066
fax 0031 10 2621823
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[HN] Ankum. Germany area

Date: 2006/06/12 17:04:23
From: Pat Huck <phck1(a)charter.net>

Has anyone searched for their ancestors emmigration records from Ankum?  I have looked everywhere recommended and cannot find 3 different last names.  My guess is they were recorded by the Ships Agents.  Does anyone know where these records are?  Pat

Re: [HN] Ankum. Germany area

Date: 2006/06/12 18:40:33
From: Jürgen Hausfeld <Juergen.Hausfeld(a)T-online.de>

Dear Pat,
I have read Your Questins.
But I can not say wher the recorts for emigrated.
But I can look in the chrchbook from Ankum. Give my please Your informations, than I can look for You.
Sorry for stuped english
Jürgen Hausfeld, Münster

Pat Huck schrieb:

Has anyone searched for their ancestors emmigration records from Ankum?  I have looked everywhere recommended and cannot find 3 different last names.  My guess is they were recorded by the Ships Agents.  Does anyone know where these records are?  Pat
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Re: [HN] Ankum. Germany area

Date: 2006/06/12 19:44:15
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Pat,

have you checked the online database of the Staatsarchive Osnabrück?
This included also emigrants from Ankum.

Tray this:   http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/

Good luck,
Werner


> Has anyone searched for their ancestors emmigration records from Ankum?  I
> have looked everywhere recommended and cannot find 3 different last names.
> My guess is they were recorded by the Ships Agents.  Does anyone know
> where these records are?  Pat
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Re: [HN] Ankum. Germany area

Date: 2006/06/12 21:14:48
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Your English is fine Jürgen! So is your helpfulness.

Jb

From: Jürgen Hausfeld <Juergen.Hausfeld(a)T-online.de>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Ankum. Germany area
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:39:09 +0200

Dear Pat,
I have read Your Questins.
But I can not say wher the recorts for emigrated.
But I can look in the chrchbook from Ankum. Give my please Your
informations, than I can look for You.
Sorry for stuped english
Jürgen Hausfeld, Münster

Pat Huck schrieb:

>Has anyone searched for their ancestors emmigration records from Ankum? I have looked everywhere recommended and cannot find 3 different last names. My guess is they were recorded by the Ships Agents. Does anyone know where these records are? Pat

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[HN] Ahnenforschung Ruhkopf

Date: 2006/06/13 12:32:49
From: Ursula Wojciechowski <ruhwo(a)gmx.de>

   Hallo, Werner Honkamp,
   Du hast eine interessante Adresse "aidaonline.nierdersachsen.de" in
   die Liste gestellt. Auch Ich konnte davon profitieren, danke.
   Gruß Uschi Wojciechowski,
   Forschungsgebiet: Hannover-Hildesheim und Umgebung,
   Name: alle Variationen von Ru(c)(h)kop(f).
   

[HN] PROTE aus BASSUM

Date: 2006/06/13 12:41:27
From: Baldur007 <Baldur007(a)aol.com>

Hallo Forscherinnen und Forscher,
 
ich suche nach dem Namen PROTE den ich in BASSUM habe. Bisher konnte ich  aber
nicht feststellen woher die PROTE's nach Bassum zuwanderten.
 
Bin für jeden Hinweis sehr dankbar.
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
KARL J.  FRANZ                                                         
Baldur007(a)aol.com
 

Re: [HN] PROTE aus BASSUM

Date: 2006/06/13 14:52:07
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>

Hallo Karl,

kannst du uns noch die Daten/Name von deinem erstgenannten PROTE angeben, der von irgendwo nach Bassum gekommen ist? 

Viele Grüße    Günter (Bassen)


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Betreff: [HN] PROTE aus BASSUM

> Hallo Forscherinnen und Forscher,
>  
> ich suche nach dem Namen PROTE den ich in BASSUM habe. Bisher konnte ich 
> aber
> nicht feststellen woher die PROTE's nach Bassum zuwanderten.
>  
> Bin für jeden Hinweis sehr dankbar.
>  
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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[HN] Fortmüller-Jochim aus Meensen

Date: 2006/06/13 17:28:05
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Hallo liebe Listies,
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
ich suche nähere Daten zu: Johann Jürgen Fortmüller, * um 1654 in Meensen, + 25-2-1737 in Meensen, Vater: Dormin Vortmüller Ehefrau: Anna Maria Jochim * um 1665 in Meensen, + 29-6-1730 in Meensen , Vater Hermann Jochim, Kind: Hans Jost Fortmüller.
Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar.
Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn


[HN] Ahnenforschung Fahrenkohl

Date: 2006/06/13 18:50:03
From: Karsten Fahrenkohl <ar0908874286(a)arcor.de>

Hallo!
Ich suche im Raum Hannover, Hameln, Hildesheim und Springe Angaben über den Namen Fahrenkohl, auch Vahrenkohl oder Fahrenkol geschrieben. Meine älteste Angabe bisher stamt aus Lauenau, ein Kirchenbucheintrag 1787 mit Hinweis auf den Ort Bisperode. Ich habe jetzt neue Hinweise nach Springe, kann aber noch keine Verbindung finden.
Hat jemand diesen Namen in einer Liste oder kann weiterhelfen?
Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar.
Gruß
Karsten fahrenkohl

[HN] Worthmann,Wortmann

Date: 2006/06/13 19:40:05
From: Shaun Worthmann <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>

Hello

I'm from South Africa and my name is Shaun Worthmann,  My family comes from Haxloh near Fintel.  Does anyone have any links to me?

Regards
Shaun Worthamnn

Re: [HN] Kopfsteuerbeschr. Calenberg-Goettingen u.Grubenhagen 1689, Teil 1, Seite 213 Eldagsen

Date: 2006/06/13 22:20:39
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>

Hallo

rfleumer schrieb:

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
Ich suche nach der Name WLOEME in der Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689 , Teil 1 ,Seite 213 Stadt Eldagsen.
Wer kann mir helfen Bitte ?
Gruss aus Rotterdam Holland
Rudolf Fleumer

Da ich bisher keine andere Antwort gesehen habe, antworte ich mal.
Leider kann ich aber derzeit auch nicht mehr helfen. Vor einigen Tagen hatte ich noch den Band 1. Leider gibt es den nur als Microfiche und nur in der Bibliothek zu lesen. Da ich mit meiner Recherche fertig war, habe ich die Microfiches zurückgegeben. Vielleicht ist er ja auch in einer holländischen Bibliothek per Ausleihe zu lesen.
Freundliche Grüße
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Re: [HN] Ahnenforschung Fahrenkohl

Date: 2006/06/13 22:28:27
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Karsten Fahrenkohl" <ar0908874286(a)arcor.de> schrieb:
> Hallo!
> Ich suche im Raum Hannover, Hameln, Hildesheim und Springe Angaben über den Namen Fahrenkohl, auch Vahrenkohl oder Fahrenkol geschrieben. Meine älteste Angabe bisher stamt aus Lauenau, ein Kirchenbucheintrag 1787 mit Hinweis auf den Ort Bisperode. Ich habe jetzt neue Hinweise nach Springe, kann aber noch keine Verbindung finden.
> Hat jemand diesen Namen in einer Liste oder kann weiterhelfen?
> Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar.
> Gruß
> Karsten fahrenkohl
> ______________________________________________

Guten Abend, Herr Fahrenkohl,

den gesuchten Namen habe ich wie folgt gefunden:	

In den "Niedersächsischen Trauregistern - Calenberger Land":

Springe:
15.01.1739	Fahrenkohl, Joh.Henning, V: +Henning, Stadtvogt u. reit.Förster
		oo
		Heinert, Sophia Elis., Wwe Balth.Wilh. Janson, Bürgermeister

28.02.1732	Fahrenkohl, Henr.Chrp., gew.Factor u.Hüttenverwalter beim Grafen Stolberg, 
		V: +Henni, Förster
		oo
		Scheidemann, Anne Christ.Elis., V: Joh.Conr., Chirurgus

Hannover - Schloßkirche:
31.08.1673	Vahrenkohl, Henning, ehem.Fstl.Lakai
		oo
		Herbst, N., V: Erich, Botenmeister

In der "Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689":

Amt Springe - Gesinde auf dem Vorwerk Dahle (auch Dahlhof genannt):
Reitender Förster Fahrenkohl ist in der Stadt mit seiner Familie beschrieben

Stadt Springe:
Stadtvogt und reitender Förster Henning Fahrenkohl (44 J.; 9 3/4 Mg.; 3 Th.) oo Agnes Koch (23 J.; 1 Th.). Söhne: Jacob Conrad (3 1/2 J.), Johann Henning (1 1/2 J.). Dienstjunger Heinrich Pommerincke (12 J.; 9 Gr.). Magd Lucia Wöckeners (20 J.; 12 Gr.) - (6 pers.)
Anm.: Henning Fahrenkohl ist 1686 beim Amt Springe verzeichnet.


Vielleicht hilft es ja etwas weiter.

Freundliche Grüße,
Wilfried Petersen



	


Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/13 23:50:26
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

No problem Maureen. Glad I could be of a little help. Part of my own family left Lower Saxony during that time frame also, for similar reasons no doubt. As I have said a number of times before on the list, Prussian expansion amounted to a twin edged sword in the end, when all is taken into account. A lot of good came from it (if nothing else the unification of the German states and kingdoms), but alas, also a sizable measure of grief and trepidation and resentment (the price that seems inevitable when hammering together something as momentous as a federal union or new nation). Along the way there will always be plenty of winners and losers part and parcel of the process ... call it the never ending story of humanity, and human progress.

Yours is not an uncommon ancestral story by any means, complete with the obligatory scarcity of established facts. It is in reality but another thread in the fabric that makes up America and the American heritage, and part of the legacy that ties us to our European past. That we - looking back now - have such difficulties mending together all these bits and pieces that often comprise little more than a maddening patchwork of clues, may seem a bit surprising at first glance (more so since this 'crossing of the pond' occurred but a century and a half ago), but of course our immigrant ancestors had far headier things on their minds than preserving or detailing their family antecedence. At stake in these new and unfamiliar frontiers was their very survival. Now it falls upon us - from far more tranquil and established perches - to find that bridging to the past with whatever records and memorabilia we can gather together. How precious little seems to survive the ages!

Always take comfort in knowing that you are far from alone in this modern day conundrum. It will be for only the most determined that a breakthrough awaits though. For that reason alone, never give up!

Best regards, Jb


From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
To: <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:45:03 -0500

Thank you so much, John!  I studied it all in history class
50 years ago, but didn't have the personal interest then
that I do now.  In fact, having lived through WWII (in the
USA, thank goodness), I don't think I was very pleased
to be half-German at that time.

So the draft census may have been during the era 1868-
1869, during the leading-up stages to the Franco-Prussian
War.  That makes sense.

I can find a Rudolph of somewhat similar age, maybe a little
younger, who arrived in NY during that period -- and my Fritz
named his third son Rudolph -- so I plod on, wondering if he
used a brother's papers, perhaps one who was younger and
not subject to the draft at that time.

In Amt Hoya there were three with his name Friedrich Gansberg
born around the same time, according to the 1851 census.
And the surname is not widespread, even today.  So I keep
hoping I can find relatives of the other two to eliminate them
from further consideration!

In the 1851 census there was also a Fred who was the right
age in Heemsen, near Nienburg -- but I have found him and
all his descendents -- that Fred was a farmer and settled in
Illinois, near Chicago.  But mine was a brewer and never got
west of New Jersey!

I will print and file your message.  Thanks again!

Maureen

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Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann

Date: 2006/06/14 02:07:57
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Shaun,

     Are you anywhere near a LDS center?  They have copied the church
records from Fintel.  If your people lived in Haxloh, they would most likely
would have gone to church in Fintel.

      Kirchenbuch, 1820-1905  Evangelische Kirche Fintel (Kr. Rotenburg)

       I presume you have seen this list:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7589/Names/NatalerNamenT-Z.html

Good luck to you,
Barbara


on 6/13/06 11:39 AM, Shaun Worthmann at immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I'm from South Africa and my name is Shaun Worthmann,  My family comes from
> Haxloh near Fintel.  Does anyone have any links to me?
> 
> Regards
> Shaun Worthamnn
> ______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/14 07:02:57
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

On 6/13/06, J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

No problem Maureen. Glad I could be of a little help. Part of my own
family
left Lower Saxony during that time frame also, for similar reasons no
doubt.
As I have said a number of times before on the list, Prussian expansion
amounted to a twin edged sword in the end, when all is taken into account.
A
lot of good came from it (if nothing else the unification of the German
states and kingdoms), but alas, also a sizable measure of grief and
trepidation and resentment (the price that seems inevitable when hammering
together something as momentous as a federal union or new nation). Along
the
way there will always be plenty of winners and losers part and parcel of
the
process ... call it the never ending story of humanity, and human
progress.




John,
in my reading of contemporary history and of that written much later, I do
not find that your characterizations of grief and trepidation were par for
the course. Of course there were losers in the upper classes but these
represent a very small proportion of society as a whole and did not
typically emigrate as they still had more then anybody else. I can not speak
for the southern German states as I'm not that familiar with their history
but in the north the drive for unification and nationalism was pretty much a
bottom up occurance. As a matter of fact, it represented a threat to the
established order and caused Prussia to back off with its support for the
wars against Denmark to help the Holsteiners gain their German freedom.
Popular uprisings during the mid 19th century were common and a continuous
threat to the autocratic governments of the time - including that of
Hannover. The powers-to-be liked their insular little local states but the
people did not. They wanted a united Germany and only Prussia could lead
such a state. I keep reading from you and Jane that a veritable revolt of
the people rose up against Prussia and as a result everybody ran off to
America. That is simply not true but I invite information to the contrary.
Emigration was made easier under Prussian governance. Rules
became enforceable as they now became one law across many former states with
different rules. That some folks didn't want to serve in the military and
rather emigrated is normal as the time served could ruin many plans. But it
was not specifically Prussian or military service in general that some
people tried to escape. Many quickly joined German units to fight for the
Union here in the states. Mostly the reasons for emigration were passed down
through the generations and something anti-Prussian or anti-German-military
served as a better reason than the real one: poverty and a quest for a
better life.

We need to always remember that by far most immigrants came from the
bottom barrel of society. They were the day laborers, the Heuerleute and
landless farmers whose main goal was to own some land anywhere they could
get it. The US was the best place to achieve that dream. Society was still
mostly rural and land ownership was at it's base.

Fred









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[HN] nickel

Date: 2006/06/14 07:27:09
From: Rick Strelan <rick.strelan(a)uq.edu.au>

I'd be interested if anyone has any information on Nickels living around Goettingen in the early 1800s and earlier. There seems to have been a Johann Ernst Nickel who was a miller in that area around that time. His son was Georg Wilhelm Nickel who later was a pastor in Holdenstedt in the mid-1800s.

Thanks in anticipation,

Rick Strelan


Re: [HN] Ahnenforschung Ruhkopf

Date: 2006/06/14 08:20:07
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Uschi,

Noticed Castle Garden (free search)

Ludwig Ruhkopf , 19, Merchant
Destination: St. Louis,
Arrival : 12 July 1861
Ship: Orpheus

Interestingly:

This title:

History of the First New York (Lincoln) Calvary
Author William Beach
Published 1902

Ruhkopf, Ludwig - E 20 July 61, Cap near Mt. Jackson 20 December 63, Died in prison at Andersonville 3 Aug 64.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Missouri State Archives...

http://www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/ordb.asp

Missouri State Archives death certificates:

Claud C. Rehkopf - Perry - Viewable online
Died 26 March 1921 (Age 1 mon.)
Father - Charles Rehkopf
Mother - Annie Spruger? Spranger?
All born in Missouri


Jacob Rindskopf -Jackson- Viewable
Died Kansas City 2 Feb 1911
Born 1848 Germany
Burial Milwaukee Wisconsin
Father - Karl?/Fred? Rindskopf
Mother - Unknown
Informant - Morris Klein
All born Germany

Pauline Rindskopf - St. Louis - Viewable
Widowed
Died - St. Louis - 20 Dec 1914
Born - 26 December 1851?
Age - 54
Father: H. Hershelmeier?
Mother: Babette Mandel
Informant: A Levy
Burial Mt. Sinia
Undertaker: Issac Rindskopf*
All born Germany

*On 25 Nov. 1951, St. Louis Post Dispatch Newspaper, an obituary
for person named Isaac Rotskoff

------------------- Death Certs not yet viewable..All St. Louis or St. Louis City Missouri
Joseph Rodekopf
Ludy Rodekopf
Charles E. Rosskopf
Emma Rosskopf
Henry
Otto
Susan
Carl Rothkopf
Matthew Rothkopf
Roger D. Rahkopf
Elizabeth Rehkopf
George Rehkopf
Lula A. Rehkopf

--------------------------------

Naturalization Database

Record Group Common Pleas Ct.
Series Naturalization Records
Sub Series Naturalization Cards
County St. Louis City
Reel Number
Volume E
Page 189
Name Rehkopf, Henry A.
Current Residence
Record Date 4/1/1850
Native Country Hanover
--------------------------------------
Missouri Birth & Death Records Database, Pre-1910


Births....

John F.W.Rehkop
Iron Mountain, Mo.
St Francois County, Missouri
June 28, 1885
Henry J. Rehkop - Father - Aged 48
Germany, German
Catherine Rentzel - Mother - Age - 42
Germany, German
Mary Haehn - Iron Mountain, Mo. - Attendent
Note* Eleventh Child of mother
*** Very near St. Genevive


Rehkoff, Caroline Louisa
Cape Girardeau
Cape Girardeau
February 3 1892
C.F.W. Rehkopf - Age 30
Martha Rehkopf (nee Kiemp) - Age 23
Mrs. E. Roth Cape Girardeau Mo - Attendent

-----------
Deaths

Henry Rehkoff 2yrs M   St. Louis







   Hallo, Werner Honkamp,
   Du hast eine interessante Adresse "aidaonline.nierdersachsen.de" in
   die Liste gestellt. Auch Ich konnte davon profitieren, danke.
   Gruß Uschi Wojciechowski,
   Forschungsgebiet: Hannover-Hildesheim und Umgebung,
   Name: alle Variationen von Ru(c)(h)kop(f).

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Re: [HN] Ankum. Germany area

Date: 2006/06/14 08:43:40
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Pat,

From Allgemeine Recherche

Go to : Auswanderersuche

Try searching  using key words:

Ankum

Destination State of City name.....such as Cincinatti, Chicago, etc...

Another idea would be to search by surname of lateral relatives...



Barbie-Lew







Hello Pat,

have you checked the online database of the Staatsarchive Osnabrück?
This included also emigrants from Ankum.

Tray this:   http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/

Good luck,
Werner


> Has anyone searched for their ancestors emmigration records from Ankum? I > have looked everywhere recommended and cannot find 3 different last names.
> My guess is they were recorded by the Ships Agents.  Does anyone know
> where these records are?  Pat
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Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann

Date: 2006/06/14 09:06:36
From: Shaun Worthmann <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for the reply. I have in fact been to the geocities website. My Greatgrandfather is listed there along with 2 of his brothers.

Excuse my ignorance but what is a LDS center?

Regards
Shaun


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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann


Hello Shaun,

    Are you anywhere near a LDS center?  They have copied the church
records from Fintel.  If your people lived in Haxloh, they would most likely
would have gone to church in Fintel.

     Kirchenbuch, 1820-1905 Evangelische Kirche Fintel (Kr. Rotenburg)

      I presume you have seen this list:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7589/Names/NatalerNamenT-Z.html

Good luck to you,
Barbara


on 6/13/06 11:39 AM, Shaun Worthmann at immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za wrote:

Hello

I'm from South Africa and my name is Shaun Worthmann, My family comes from
Haxloh near Fintel.  Does anyone have any links to me?

Regards
Shaun Worthamnn
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Re: [HN] Kopfsteuerbeschr. Calenberg-Goettingen u.Grubenhagen 1689, Teil 1, Seite 213 Eldagsen

Date: 2006/06/14 10:09:01
From: rfleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Richtig schade Rainer - zu spaet ! Ich werde hier mal schauen in der Bibliothek ob es sie da gibt. Vielen Dank fuer deine muehe. Gruss Rudolf


----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Dörry" <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Kopfsteuerbeschr. Calenberg-Goettingen u.Grubenhagen 1689, Teil 1, Seite 213 Eldagsen


Hallo

rfleumer schrieb:

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
Ich suche nach der Name WLOEME in der Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689 , Teil 1 ,Seite 213 Stadt Eldagsen.
Wer kann mir helfen Bitte ?
Gruss aus Rotterdam Holland
Rudolf Fleumer

Da ich bisher keine andere Antwort gesehen habe, antworte ich mal.
Leider kann ich aber derzeit auch nicht mehr helfen. Vor einigen Tagen
hatte ich noch den Band 1. Leider gibt es den nur als Microfiche und nur
in der Bibliothek zu lesen. Da ich mit meiner Recherche fertig war, habe
ich die Microfiches zurückgegeben.
Vielleicht ist er ja auch in einer holländischen Bibliothek per Ausleihe
zu lesen.
Freundliche Grüße
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[HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/14 10:53:17
From: Rolf Kammer <rokammer(a)t-online.de>

Ist hannover-l(a)genealogy.net vorwiegend für Anfragen in englischer Sprache gedacht? Rolf Kammer, rokammer(a)t-online.de

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Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/14 12:21:57
From: Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Rolf Kammer!

Offensichtlich ja, und wir machen das auch noch mit, indem beflissen auf
Englisch geantwortet wird.So werden unsere hauptsächlich amerikanischen
Freunde es nie lernen. Aber es gibt ja schon eine Standardformulierung:
"Sorry, but my german isn't good." Damit wird alles entschuldigt.Ist ja auch
so bequem und klappt ja auch.Versuche,drüben eine Anfrage in Deutsch zu
starten. Fehlanzeige!!Keine Antwort.
Die Niederländer sind da ganz anders.
Übrigens, in den geschlossenen Listen ist Deutsch Vorschrift.

Gruß Jürgen (Schweimler)

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Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/14 15:08:56
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

On 6/14/06, Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de> wrote:
"Sorry, but my german isn't good." Damit wird alles entschuldigt.Ist ja auch
so bequem und klappt ja auch.Versuche,drüben eine Anfrage in Deutsch zu
starten. Fehlanzeige!!Keine Antwort.
Die Niederländer sind da ganz anders.
Übrigens, in den geschlossenen Listen ist Deutsch Vorschrift.

Die Hannover Liste ist eine der aktivsten Listen bei genealogy.net -
eben weil sie nicht unter "VORSCHRIFT" steht. Jeder kann schreiben so
wie er am besten kann. Normal werden Fragen in der Sprache beantwortet
in der sie geschrieben wurden. Wenn die Mehrzahl der Fragen auf
englisch gefragt werden ist es auch normal das die Antworten genau so
geschrieben werden. Es sollte ein Kompliment für die vielen Deutschen
sein die sich die Mühe machen in einer Fremdsprache den Nachkommen
ihrer geteilten Vorfahrenn zu helfen.

Hut ab!

Fred

PS geschlossene Listen sind eben nur für ein Teil der Nachkommen von
gemeinsamen Vorfahren gedacht. Genau das was gegen alles in der
Genealogie heilig sein sollte.





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Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann

Date: 2006/06/14 17:37:08
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Shaun,

       The LDS stands for Latter Day Saints, which refers to the Mormon
church.  They have copied records throughout the world which can enable
people to have access to data in their own genealogical search. You do not
have to be a member of that church to use their materials.  In order to
order and view microfilms that are available, you need to go to the LDS
center.  These are the centers in South Africa:

Family History Centers in South Africa

Bedfordview South Africa
115 Van Burren Road
Bedfordview, South Africa

Bellville South Africa
18 Kiaat Crescent
Loevenstein
Bellville, Western Cape, South Africa

Benoni South Africa
115 Woburn Avenue
Benoni, Gauteng, South Africa

Bloemfontein South Africa
194 Voortrekker Street
Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa

Cape Town South Africa
Corner of Main & Grove Roads
Mowbray 7705
Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

Durban South Africa
144 Silverton Road
Berea
Durban, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa

East London South Africa
Belgravia Crescent
Southernwood
East London, Eastern Cape, South Africa

Hillcrest South Africa
18 Old Main Road
Hillcrest, Natal, South Africa

Parktown South Africa
Jubilee Road
Parktown
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa

Pietermaritzburg South Africa
321 Alexandra Road
Scottsville
Pietermaritzburg, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa

Port Elizabeth South Africa
40 Prospect Road
Walmer
Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

Pretoria South Africa
85 Gerhard Street
Lyttelton Agriculture Holdings
Centurion, Gauteng, South Africa

Roodepoort South Africa
62 Paul Kruger Drive
Monument
Krugersdorp, Gauteng, South Africa

Springs Ward South Africa
23 11th Street
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa

Vereeniging South Africa
42 Grey Avenue
Vereeniging, Gauteng, South Africa

Witbank South Africa
Portion 94, Swartbos Road
Witbank, Transvaal, South Africa
Phone: 27-13-656-0777

    It would be helpful for you if any of those addresses are near your
residence.  In the United States, there are many centers in large cities.
I hope you can find a center near you.
  
    You should access their website where you can do research as well.
I did not check there for your ancestors, but it is possible that they may
be listed there:
   http://www.familysearch.org/

   If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Good luck,
Barbara 







on 6/14/06 1:03 AM, Shaun Worthmann at immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za wrote:

> Hi Barbara,
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  I have in fact been to the geocities website. My
> Greatgrandfather is listed there along with 2 of his brothers.
> 
> Excuse my ignorance but what is a LDS center?
> 
> Regards
> Shaun
> 
> 
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> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann
> 
> 
> Hello Shaun,
> 
> Are you anywhere near a LDS center?  They have copied the church
> records from Fintel.  If your people lived in Haxloh, they would most likely
> would have gone to church in Fintel.
> 
> Kirchenbuch, 1820-1905 Evangelische Kirche Fintel (Kr. Rotenburg)
> 
> I presume you have seen this list:
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7589/Names/NatalerNamenT-Z.html
> 
> Good luck to you,
> Barbara
> 
> 
> on 6/13/06 11:39 AM, Shaun Worthmann at immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za wrote:
> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> I'm from South Africa and my name is Shaun Worthmann,  My family comes
>> from
>> Haxloh near Fintel.  Does anyone have any links to me?
>> 
>> Regards
>> Shaun Worthamnn
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Re: [HN] Ahnenforschung Fahrenkohl

Date: 2006/06/14 18:12:09
From: Karsten Fahrenkohl <ar0908874286(a)arcor.de>

Hallo und danke.
Mir fehlt jetzt allerdings noch eine Verbindung von Springe nach Bisperode. Da fehlen mir die Zusammenhänge.
Mit Freunlichen Grüßen
Karsten Fahrenkohl
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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Ahnenforschung Fahrenkohl


"Karsten Fahrenkohl" <ar0908874286(a)arcor.de> schrieb:
Hallo!
Ich suche im Raum Hannover, Hameln, Hildesheim und Springe Angaben über den Namen Fahrenkohl, auch Vahrenkohl oder Fahrenkol geschrieben. Meine älteste Angabe bisher stamt aus Lauenau, ein Kirchenbucheintrag 1787 mit Hinweis auf den Ort Bisperode. Ich habe jetzt neue Hinweise nach Springe, kann aber noch keine Verbindung finden.
Hat jemand diesen Namen in einer Liste oder kann weiterhelfen?
Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar.
Gruß
Karsten fahrenkohl
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Guten Abend, Herr Fahrenkohl,

den gesuchten Namen habe ich wie folgt gefunden:

In den "Niedersächsischen Trauregistern - Calenberger Land":

Springe:
15.01.1739 Fahrenkohl, Joh.Henning, V: +Henning, Stadtvogt u. reit.Förster
oo
Heinert, Sophia Elis., Wwe Balth.Wilh. Janson, Bürgermeister

28.02.1732 Fahrenkohl, Henr.Chrp., gew.Factor u.Hüttenverwalter beim Grafen Stolberg,
V: +Henni, Förster
oo
Scheidemann, Anne Christ.Elis., V: Joh.Conr., Chirurgus

Hannover - Schloßkirche:
31.08.1673 Vahrenkohl, Henning, ehem.Fstl.Lakai
oo
Herbst, N., V: Erich, Botenmeister

In der "Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689":

Amt Springe - Gesinde auf dem Vorwerk Dahle (auch Dahlhof genannt):
Reitender Förster Fahrenkohl ist in der Stadt mit seiner Familie beschrieben

Stadt Springe:
Stadtvogt und reitender Förster Henning Fahrenkohl (44 J.; 9 3/4 Mg.; 3 Th.) oo Agnes Koch (23 J.; 1 Th.). Söhne: Jacob Conrad (3 1/2 J.), Johann Henning (1 1/2 J.). Dienstjunger Heinrich Pommerincke (12 J.; 9 Gr.). Magd Lucia Wöckeners (20 J.; 12 Gr.) - (6 pers.)
Anm.: Henning Fahrenkohl ist 1686 beim Amt Springe verzeichnet.


Vielleicht hilft es ja etwas weiter.

Freundliche Grüße,
Wilfried Petersen





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[HN] Suche in Großraum Bleckede...

Date: 2006/06/14 18:13:19
From: Stefan Kramer <mail(a)kramer-stefan.de>

Hallo Liste,

ich suche alles über :

GÖDECKE - Raum Bleckede, Alt Garge
STEINKAMP - Raum Alt Garge
MÜLLER - Raum Zernien
ENGELKE - Raum Vogelsang
NEUMANN - Raum Bleckede
KRUSE - Raum Vogelsang, Raum Bleckede
EHLERS - Raum Zernien
SAUKE - Raum Alt Garge


Gruß,
Stefan

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Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/14 18:47:13
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>

 
Hello Jürgen,I am just learning German.  I do not know it well enough to even write it.  When a post comes through in German I take the time to try to find out what the person is looking for.  If I don't have any information, I don't answer.  That doesn't mean I don't care.There is a wonderful group of people here.  I know for a fact that I am not the only onewho tries to see if they can help when the message is written in German.Bobbi --- On Wed 06/14, =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schweimler?= &lt; schweimler(a)tiscali.de &gt; wrote:From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schweimler?= [mailto: schweimler(a)tiscali.de]To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.netDate: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:20:59 +0200Subject: Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.Hallo Rolf Kammer!Offensichtlich ja, und wir machen das auch noch mit, indem beflissen aufEnglisch geantwortet wird.So werden unsere hauptsächlich amerikanischenFreunde es nie lernen. Aber es gibt ja schon eine Standardformulierung:&quot;Sorry, but my german isn't good.&quot; 
Damit wird alles entschuldigt.Ist ja auchso bequem und klappt ja auch.Versuche,drüben eine Anfrage in Deutsch zustarten. Fehlanzeige!!Keine Antwort.Die Niederländer sind da ganz anders.Übrigens, in den geschlossenen Listen ist Deutsch Vorschrift.Gruß Jürgen (Schweimler)Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen SchweimlerHarnischstraße 441515 GrevenbroichTelefon: 02181/6 15 35e-mail:  &lt; schweimler(a)tiscali.de&gt;-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: &quot;Rolf Kammer&quot; An: Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 10:52Betreff: [HN] Englische Anfragen.Ist hannover-l(a)genealogy.net vorwiegend für Anfragen in englischer Sprachegedacht? Rolf Kammer, rokammer(a)t-online.de

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Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/14 19:17:51
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

My German isn't too good either.  I learned it as a child in Fredericksburg,
Texas and only get to use it to speak on occasion.  It helps me to try and
read the postings and look up words on a translator to practice.  My
relatives came to Texas from Hannover in 1845-46.  Hopefully I'll get to
visit your country someday.

Janice THIELE SEILER

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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:47 AM
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Hello J|rgen,I am just learning German.  I do not know it well enough to
even write it.  When a post comes through in German I take the time to try
to find out what the person is looking for.  If I don't have any
information, I don't answer.  That doesn't mean I don't care.There is a
wonderful group of people here.  I know for a fact that I am not the only
onewho tries to see if they can help when the message is written in
German.Bobbi --- On Wed 06/14, =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schweimler?= &lt;
schweimler(a)tiscali.de &gt; wrote:From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schweimler?=
[mailto: schweimler(a)tiscali.de]To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.netDate: Wed, 14 Jun
2006 12:20:59 +0200Subject: Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.Hallo Rolf
Kammer!Offensichtlich ja, und wir machen das auch noch mit, indem beflissen
aufEnglisch geantwortet wird.So werden unsere hauptsdchlich
amerikanischenFreunde es nie lernen. Aber es gibt ja schon eine
Standardformulierung:&quot;Sorry, but my german isn't good.&quot;
Damit wird alles entschuldigt.Ist ja auchso bequem und klappt ja
auch.Versuche,dr|ben eine Anfrage in Deutsch zustarten. Fehlanzeige!!Keine
Antwort.Die Niederldnder sind da ganz anders.\brigens, in den geschlossenen
Listen ist Deutsch Vorschrift.Gru_ J|rgen (Schweimler)Dipl.- Ing.J|rgen
SchweimlerHarnischstra_e 441515 GrevenbroichTelefon: 02181/6 15 35e-mail:
&lt; schweimler(a)tiscali.de&gt;-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von:
&quot;Rolf Kammer&quot; An: Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 10:52Betreff:
[HN] Englische Anfragen.Ist hannover-l(a)genealogy.net vorwiegend f|r Anfragen
in englischer Sprachegedacht? Rolf Kammer, rokammer(a)t-online.de

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Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann

Date: 2006/06/14 19:30:13
From: Shaun Worthmann <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>

Hello Barbara

Thanks for the explanation, the Hillcrest address is near my home and I'll definitly be going there. Thanks again for the advice.

Kind Regards
Shaun


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Hello Shaun,

      The LDS stands for Latter Day Saints, which refers to the Mormon
church.  They have copied records throughout the world which can enable
people to have access to data in their own genealogical search. You do not
have to be a member of that church to use their materials.  In order to
order and view microfilms that are available, you need to go to the LDS
center.  These are the centers in South Africa:

Family History Centers in South Africa

Bedfordview South Africa
115 Van Burren Road
Bedfordview, South Africa

Bellville South Africa
18 Kiaat Crescent
Loevenstein
Bellville, Western Cape, South Africa

Benoni South Africa
115 Woburn Avenue
Benoni, Gauteng, South Africa

Bloemfontein South Africa
194 Voortrekker Street
Bloemfontein, Free State, South Africa

Cape Town South Africa
Corner of Main & Grove Roads
Mowbray 7705
Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

Durban South Africa
144 Silverton Road
Berea
Durban, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa

East London South Africa
Belgravia Crescent
Southernwood
East London, Eastern Cape, South Africa

Hillcrest South Africa
18 Old Main Road
Hillcrest, Natal, South Africa

Parktown South Africa
Jubilee Road
Parktown
Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa

Pietermaritzburg South Africa
321 Alexandra Road
Scottsville
Pietermaritzburg, Kwazulu Natal, South Africa

Port Elizabeth South Africa
40 Prospect Road
Walmer
Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa

Pretoria South Africa
85 Gerhard Street
Lyttelton Agriculture Holdings
Centurion, Gauteng, South Africa

Roodepoort South Africa
62 Paul Kruger Drive
Monument
Krugersdorp, Gauteng, South Africa

Springs Ward South Africa
23 11th Street
Springs, Gauteng, South Africa

Vereeniging South Africa
42 Grey Avenue
Vereeniging, Gauteng, South Africa

Witbank South Africa
Portion 94, Swartbos Road
Witbank, Transvaal, South Africa
Phone: 27-13-656-0777

   It would be helpful for you if any of those addresses are near your
residence.  In the United States, there are many centers in large cities.
I hope you can find a center near you.

   You should access their website where you can do research as well.
I did not check there for your ancestors, but it is possible that they may
be listed there:
  http://www.familysearch.org/

  If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Good luck,
Barbara







on 6/14/06 1:03 AM, Shaun Worthmann at immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za wrote:

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for the reply.  I have in fact been to the geocities website. My
Greatgrandfather is listed there along with 2 of his brothers.

Excuse my ignorance but what is a LDS center?

Regards
Shaun


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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann


Hello Shaun,

Are you anywhere near a LDS center?  They have copied the church
records from Fintel. If your people lived in Haxloh, they would most likely
would have gone to church in Fintel.

Kirchenbuch, 1820-1905 Evangelische Kirche Fintel (Kr. Rotenburg)

I presume you have seen this list:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7589/Names/NatalerNamenT-Z.html

Good luck to you,
Barbara


on 6/13/06 11:39 AM, Shaun Worthmann at immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za wrote:

Hello

I'm from South Africa and my name is Shaun Worthmann,  My family comes
from
Haxloh near Fintel.  Does anyone have any links to me?

Regards
Shaun Worthamnn
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[HN] KUGLER Willsbach Germany research

Date: 2006/06/14 20:45:14
From: L Wessels <lwessels(a)yahoo.com>

   Hello all,

I'm researching the husband of a relative who was born in Willsbach, Germany (Johann Friedrich KUGLER b 7 Dec 1864) according to his 1936 Joplin, MO obituary.  It appears as if there is more than one Willsbach, Germany.  

I'm looking for hints as to how I can determine which Willsbach.  Or do I have to research each one for this ancestor?  If so, how do I go about doing that?

THANKS!!

Laraine Wilson Wessels
Peoria, Illinois
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Re: [HN] KUGLER Willsbach Germany research

Date: 2006/06/14 21:29:05
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Laraine,

       My autoatlas of Germany shows one Willsbach in Baden-Württemberg. It
is east of Heilbrunn.  The LDS has these records:

  Kirchenbuch, 1558-1982  Evangelische Kirche Sülzbach (OA. Weinsberg)
       (Sulzbach is very close to Willsbach and probably has earlier records
for Willsbach.)

  Kirchenbuch, 1645-1967  Evangelische Kirche Willsbach (OA. Weinsberg)

      There is another town with a different spelling and it is Wilsbach,
which is in Hessen south of Gladenbach. Wilsbach is very small, but there
are LDS records:
    Kirchenbuch, 1808-1876  Evangelische Kirche Wilsbach (Kr. Biedenkopf)

      You can check both of these on Mapquest.com

      A census should show his birthplace--or does it say just "Germany"?
I'd probably go for the one in Baden Württemberg first - just because it's a
bigger place and because you much have the spelling with the two LL's.

Good luck,
Barbara



on 6/14/06 12:45 PM, L Wessels at lwessels(a)yahoo.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I'm researching the husband of a relative who was born in Willsbach, Germany
> (Johann Friedrich KUGLER b 7 Dec 1864) according to his 1936 Joplin, MO
> obituary.  It appears as if there is more than one Willsbach, Germany.
> 
> I'm looking for hints as to how I can determine which Willsbach.  Or do I have
> to research each one for this ancestor?  If so, how do I go about doing that?
> 
> THANKS!!
> 
> Laraine Wilson Wessels
> Peoria, Illinois
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[HN] Bartels-Fortmüller aus Meensen

Date: 2006/06/14 21:59:56
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Hallo Listies
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Ich suche nähere Angaben zu: Anna lisabeth Bartels, * um 1687, +9-1-1752 in Meensen, Heirat am 12-11-1709 in mEENSEN MIT hAS jOST fORTMÜLLER; + 20-10-1709 OIN mEENSEN * 7-5-1743 in Meensen. Seiene Eltern: Johann Jürgen Fortmüller und anna Maria Jochim.
Wer kann helfen? ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar.
Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn

Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/15 02:02:23
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

On 6/14/06, Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com> wrote:

John, In my reading of contemporary history and of that written much later, I do not find that your characterizations of grief and trepidation were par for the course.

It's all a matter of degree that is disputable in the end I suppose Fred. I thought I balanced the "push" and "pull" factors rather fairly and accurately when discussing Prussia vis-à-vis the Kingdom of Hannover and Lower Saxony. The Prussian military "factor" is often overplayed (even to this day) as you and I have both stated before. But it goes without saying that some Saxons, as well as other Germans, never fully aligned with Prussian aims. And this was not but a teeny tiny handful either, or just the Princes (and their underlings) of the resistance. The annexation was never a completely seamless process; many Saxons had no choice but to bite the bullet to some extent. But admittedly, the Prussians were not exactly foreign conquerors either, but more like distant cousins who came a knocking. Many Saxons did embrace the new order, and it has to be emphasized clearly that Bismarck tapped from a growing nationalistic spirit that was clearly manifest throughout Germany at the time. He did not create this on his own, or out of a vacuum.

A few points to consider though. General von Arentschildt and his forces fought gallantly and in pitched battle, and their throwing in the flag as quickly as they did had less to do with their hearts not being in resisting the Prussia intrusion as much as it did with the realization that their outright destruction was at hand. Moltke and Falckenstein had bought time and cleverly surrounded them with two massive armies (Generals von Goeben, von Manteuffel and von Beyer and their troops were all in the vicinity). Continued resistance was no longer in the cards. The Saxon soldiers - like Hannoverians in general - may not have been all that crazy for King George, but they appeared in no hurry to embrace the King of Prussia either, and were in fact urging their Bavarian allies to link up to carry the battle further.

Also, in all fairness, I mentioned there was a -measure- of trepidation and resentment on the part of many Germans when the Prussians were on the march throughout the 1860's, but this only stands to reason. Northerners did emigrate in increased numbers at this time, and many letters can be found of emigrants who had no intention of letting their sons serve or die under the expanding Prussian banner. Whether it was outright opposition to Bismarck and the King of Prussia, or weariness with war in general, is debatable, but I suspect it was a little of both.

By far the largest number of German immigrants who went to America and elsewhere were in search of an improved standard of living. That is beyond question, in 1870 as it was 100 years earlier, and a hundred years later. Far fewer went seeking political or religious freedoms, though of course some did. But I'm not sure how you can argue that the threat of Prussian military service - ultimately with the goal of its avoidance - did not motivate many Germans, the Saxons as much as anybody as they certainly lost out as much as any state at the time of the Prussian incorporation. The Hannoverian Army was a hotbed of disgruntlement for years thereafter, and that has certainly been documented. It took Wilhelm II to right some of these perceived wrongs a generation later, as I mentioned in an earlier post.

Of course there were losers in the upper classes but these represent a very small proportion of society as a whole and did not typically emigrate as they still had more then anybody else.

Yes of which my own family was one, only they did apparently feel the need / necessity to emigrate. Perhaps more of an exception to the rule even amongst the landed classes, but obviously it still happened, as my own kin are proof.

I can not speak for the southern German states as I'm not that familiar with their history but in the north the drive for unification and nationalism was pretty much a bottom up occurance. As a matter of fact, it represented a threat to the established order and caused Prussia to back off with its support for the wars against Denmark to help the Holsteiners gain their German freedom. Popular uprisings during the mid 19th century were common and a continuous threat to the autocratic governments of the time - including that of Hannover. The powers-to-be liked their insular little local states but the people did not. They wanted a united Germany and only Prussia could lead such a state.

This states it well and quite accurately. Only the choice of Prussia to lead the way - which was inevitable really, given no other state was capable of lighting the way at that junction - was not necessarily "the peoples choice" across the board (even if it was pretty much a fait accompli at the time). Not sure if Prussia would ever have accomplished this in and by itself without the remarkable abilities of Bismarck leading the charge. More would do well to read up on the man -- there is much more to the story than first meets the eye. He was a brilliant tactician and strategist, and many of his reforms last to this day (and rightly so). He was also something of a reluctant conqueror when all was said and done, as opposed to say Hitler who more readily embraced the methods of aggrandizement, feeling the need for German expansion outwards was tantamount for Germany's long term survival and prosperity (hand in hand with the destruction of Communism).

I keep reading from you and Jane that a veritable revolt of the people rose up against Prussia and as a result everybody ran off to America. That is simply not true but I invite information to the contrary.

Well speaking only for myself (Jane you're on your own I'm afraid <g>), you are over-reading it then. I actually feared some on the list were going to say at some point WHO LET THAT BLOODY PREUSSEN JB ON OUR LIST TO BEGIN WITH! SAXONS UNITE! :-) Kidding aside, if you read back on most of my posts regarding this subject over the last month or so, you will see I am simply acknowledging that some did, not all and certainly not the majority. I simply have tried to state the obvious, which is the new Prussian order came to be for a gamut of reasons (nationalism as much as any other), but it was not hammered into place amid adoring smiles and flag waving from one end of society to the other, even amongst the working classes. There was a degree of trepidation for some. The war with France and Napolean III may have been embraced by most Germans but certainly not everyone, and there were plenty of Saxons in particular shipping out to avoid serving in the army of Prussia. Do you really care to argue that?

Emigration was made easier under Prussian governance. Rules became enforceable as they now became one law across many former states with different rules.

They simply made it easier to do so within conformance of the law, where earlier many Germans had no choice but to seek passage with less regard to the existing (regional) statutes due to the hoops the governing authorities often put them through. At that time the grease of bribery - born of desperation - ran rampant. The Prussians, with typical Prussian efficiency, smoothed out a lot of these unnecessary kinks in the process. Of course it should be noted that many Germans who were destitute had their passage overseas paid by their local community to save the increasing costs to the public purse well before any Prussian reforms were ever enacted.

That some folks didn't want to serve in the military and rather emigrated is normal as the time served could ruin many plans. But it was not specifically Prussian or military service in general that some people tried to escape. Many quickly joined German units to fight for the Union here in the states. Mostly the reasons for emigration were passed down through the generations and something anti-Prussian or anti-German-military served as a better reason than the real one: poverty and a quest for a better life.

One of the greatest high points in German immigration into the United States was during the period 1866-1873, the years which saw the emergence of Prussia as the dominant state in the German lands and the series of wars against Austria, Denmark and France, culminating as we know in the proclamation of the German Empire in 1870/71. This increase in immigration was not a mere coincidence. And they were not all coming to join the Union Army. :)

Beyond the conscription concerns and avoidance I already mentioned, the number of Catholic immigrants increased in rather dramatic numbers following Bismarck's Kulturkampf (1871-1887) during the power struggle between the Prussian state and the Catholic church. Likewise, Bismarck's Anti-Socialist Laws (1878-1890) caused quite a few Social Democrats to move to the States to pursue their political agendas (and for some, continue their "class struggle"). It was not just a tiny portion of the landed class who lost out or shoved off.

The main reason in fact that emigration curtailed as time went on after the German Empire was founded had more to do with the spread of industrialization and the rapid growth of German cities (and thus an increase of opportunities) than Prussian reforms alone, or a wholesale embracing of the new order. More people who may have otherwise chosen to emigrate went instead to these large cities and industrial towns that were now rapidly expanding, rather than to America or beyond.

Whether "push factors," fanned by disgruntlement with the Prussian way of running things, and/or living conditions in general in Germany, or whether "pull factors" -- faith in more favorable opportunities in the United States -- exercised a greater influence on many emigrant's decision to leave, is impossible to ascertain. Somewhere in between lies the answer no doubt.

We need to always remember that by far most immigrants came from the bottom barrel of society. They were the day laborers, the Heuerleute and landless farmers whose main goal was to own some land anywhere they could get it. The US was the best place to achieve that dream. Society was still mostly rural and land ownership was at it's base.

Fred

Could not agree more. Your post is well written as usual. But then we actually agree on most things, as I have come to see. ;) Perhaps more to the point (and as I stated before), to know Germany is to know Prussia, and vice-versa.

Jb

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Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/15 02:04:40
From: michael <mdearing(a)mhtc.net>

My, my...

On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:20 AM, Jürgen Schweimler wrote:

Hallo Rolf Kammer!

Offensichtlich ja, und wir machen das auch noch mit, indem beflissen auf Englisch geantwortet wird.So werden unsere hauptsächlich amerikanischen Freunde es nie lernen. Aber es gibt ja schon eine Standardformulierung: "Sorry, but my german isn't good." Damit wird alles entschuldigt.Ist ja auch so bequem und klappt ja auch.Versuche,drüben eine Anfrage in Deutsch zu
starten. Fehlanzeige!!Keine Antwort.
Die Niederländer sind da ganz anders.
Übrigens, in den geschlossenen Listen ist Deutsch Vorschrift.

Gruß Jürgen (Schweimler)

Dipl.- Ing.Jürgen Schweimler


[HN] auf deutsch

Date: 2006/06/15 02:30:57
From: Rick Strelan <rick.strelan(a)uq.edu.au>

Vorher habe ich auf Englisch geschriebt; jetzt versuche ich die Anfrage auf Deutsch zu schreiben! Ich kann Deutsch lesen und verstehen, aber ich schreibe und spreche Deutsch nicht so gut!

Ich frage die Familie Nickel an, die im 18-19 Jahrhundert in Holdenstedt und in der Umgebung Goettingens wohnen. Johann Ernst Nickel war der Vater und Georg Heinrich Nickel der Sohn, der Pfarrer in 1830s in Holdenstedt war. GHNickel hat Bertha Emilie Luenemann verheiratet. Besonders frage ich den Vater, Johann Ernst, an.

Mit Dank und entschuldigen Sie bitte 'my bad German'!

Rick Strelan


Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/15 03:52:14
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Dare I say it's a little like Hannoverians and Prussians in the end. You don't know whether you should appreciate them, tolerate them, or despise them! It certainly makes for interesting theater [and exchanges] if nothing else.

It has to be remembered that for all the aggravation we present from the Anglo side, our German colleagues are getting free English lessons (and occasional practice) at our expense, since the majority on this side of the waters are hopeless with their sparse or non-existent Deutsch. In that regard, there is precious little reciprocation to be had. The fact that any respond from across the language grain - and more telling, that so many do - is proof of the bonds that unite us, and why I continually value and appreciate my German heritage, and things Germanic.

May I beseech the frustrated and occasionally bewildered to avoid the all too familiar cry of YANKEE GO HOME! We have enough of that as it is in the world at large. :-)

Hut ab! ist richtig. H-L über alles. Jb

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Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann

Date: 2006/06/15 04:14:25
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

When you find one and learn its ropes, you will be on the road to discovery. No greater source could you tap starting off than the powerhouse that is called LDS [aka FHC]. Gather as much as you can regarding your family past into a handy notebook or two, and get ready to do battle. The war will be yours to win from that point on.

Consider reporting back at some point afterwards with a progress update. Or search the Hannover-L archives for the Barney Speckman series of posts from earlier this year, if you need a quick jolt of the possible. A little inspiration starting off helps one and all. And never be afraid to ask questions, here, there or anywhere (always the fastest way to answers). ;)

Good luck in SA!

Jb

From: "Shaun Worthmann" <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:28:30 +0200

Hello Barbara

Thanks for the explanation, the Hillcrest address is near my home and I'll
definitly be going there.  Thanks again for the advice.

Kind Regards
Shaun

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Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/15 04:16:12
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

WOW, That went be me at light speed.
Eric Truhn

Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/15 04:43:31
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

You of all people? lol

I'm just ruffling feathers for the fun of it Eric. The devil plays with idle hands (all the more so if a keyboard is nearby). Time for me to get back in my cave.

Jb

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WOW, That went be me at light speed.
Eric Truhn

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Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/15 09:33:52
From: Björn Sassenberg <post(a)bjoern-sassenberg.de>

Danke Fred,
thank you Fred

besser hätte ich es nicht ausdrücken können!
I couldn't have expressed better!

Meine lieben deutschen Landsleute: Es ist eine bilinguale Liste und das Internet ist nun mal international.
My dear  fellow countrymen: It is a bilingual list and Internet is international.

Ich freue mich auf weitere interessante Beiträge (in jeder Sprache!)
I'm looking forward to further interesting postings (in every language!)

Viele Grüße aus Langenhagen,
Kindly regards from Langenhagen,

Björn

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.


On 6/14/06, Jürgen Schweimler <schweimler(a)tiscali.de> wrote:
"Sorry, but my german isn't good." Damit wird alles entschuldigt.Ist ja auch
so bequem und klappt ja auch.Versuche,drüben eine Anfrage in Deutsch zu
starten. Fehlanzeige!!Keine Antwort.
Die Niederländer sind da ganz anders.
Übrigens, in den geschlossenen Listen ist Deutsch Vorschrift.

Die Hannover Liste ist eine der aktivsten Listen bei genealogy.net -
eben weil sie nicht unter "VORSCHRIFT" steht. Jeder kann schreiben so
wie er am besten kann. Normal werden Fragen in der Sprache beantwortet
in der sie geschrieben wurden. Wenn die Mehrzahl der Fragen auf
englisch gefragt werden ist es auch normal das die Antworten genau so
geschrieben werden. Es sollte ein Kompliment für die vielen Deutschen
sein die sich die Mühe machen in einer Fremdsprache den Nachkommen
ihrer geteilten Vorfahrenn zu helfen.

Hut ab!

Fred

PS geschlossene Listen sind eben nur für ein Teil der Nachkommen von
gemeinsamen Vorfahren gedacht. Genau das was gegen alles in der
Genealogie heilig sein sollte.





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Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann

Date: 2006/06/15 11:20:03
From: Shaun Worthmann <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>

Hello JB

Thanks for the support, I'll keep you all updated on my progress.

Regards from SA
Shaun Worthmann
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Subject: Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann


When you find one and learn its ropes, you will be on the road to discovery.
No greater source could you tap starting off than the powerhouse that is
called LDS [aka FHC]. Gather as much as you can regarding your family past
into a handy notebook or two, and get ready to do battle. The war will be
yours to win from that point on.

Consider reporting back at some point afterwards with a progress update. Or search the Hannover-L archives for the Barney Speckman series of posts from
earlier this year, if you need a quick jolt of the possible. A little
inspiration starting off helps one and all. And never be afraid to ask
questions, here, there or anywhere (always the fastest way to answers). ;)

Good luck in SA!

Jb

From: "Shaun Worthmann" <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Worthmann,Wortmann
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:28:30 +0200

Hello Barbara

Thanks for the explanation, the Hillcrest address is near my home and I'll
definitly be going there.  Thanks again for the advice.

Kind Regards
Shaun

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[HN] Ahnenforschung Ruhkopf

Date: 2006/06/15 12:21:29
From: Ursula Wojciechowski <ruhwo(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Cactus Flower,
danke für den Ludwig Ruhkopf . Ich haben einen, der 1842 geboren ist, aber drei weitere Vornamen hat. Aber ich denke, dieser Knabe wird es sein. Was hat er nur angestellt?
Ich habe noch weitere Ruhkopf's , die ausgewandert sind.
Ruhkopf, Franziska, 41 Jahre, am 28.06.1852 von Bremen nach Milwaukee mit dem Schiff Johannes

Ruhkopf, Cara- 7 J. u. Ruhkopf, Engel, 9 J. am 4.11.1867 von Bremerhaven nach Misouri mit dem Schiff Uhland

Ruhkopf Anna, 23 J und Marie, 25 J. am 07.05.1881 von Bremen – USA mit dem Schiff Neckar

Ruhkopf, Anna, 25 J. und Ruhkopf, Ilse 23 J. am 17.10.1881von Bremen - USA mit dem Schiff Donau

Ruhkopf , Catharina, Alter 24 Jahre am05.08.1875 von Bremen – USA mit dem Schiff Oder

Ruhkopf, Herm. Alter 50 Jahre, Farmer am 01.06.1888 von Bremen – Sauthampton mit dem Schiff Lahn Rukopf, Marie, 40 J, Rukopf, Ernst, 15 J., Rukopf, Martha, 11 J., Rukopf, Adolf, 7 J. Rukopf, Marie, 5 Jahre
am 03.11.1888  von Bremen – Sauthampton mit dem Schiff Aller

Läßt sich in Amerka über die Namen Ru(h)kopf etwas finden, zum Beispiel über Telefonbücher, Telefon-CD oder ähnlichem ?
Liebe Grüße Uschi Wojciechowski




Re: [HN] auf deusch

Date: 2006/06/15 13:57:46
From: Ruth Decker <Ruth.Decker(a)gmx.de>

Ich glaube ich bin kein Einzelfall.
Zumindest bin ich über jede Nachricht in deutscher Sprache dankbar.
Da ich zu der Generation gehöre die in der Schule kein Englisch als Unterrichtsfach hatte und auch nicht in meinem Umfeld mit mir englisch gesprochen wurde und wird. 
Ich helfe mir immer mit einem Übersetzungsprogramm und da kommt es  schon mal vor das anstelle von Wallfahrtsort,  in meinem Brief, Wahlprognose steht.
Ruth


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Re: [HN] Ahnenforschung Ruhkopf

Date: 2006/06/15 14:47:05
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Lieber Ushi,

Ich habe an diesen jungen Herrn Ludwig Ruhkopf gedacht. Möglicherweise es gab militärische Werbeoffiziere am Tor von neuem York.

Bereiten Sie vor, um das junge und das stark zu überzeugen, um die Anschluß-Armee, mit der Versprechung der automatischen Staatsbürgerschaft zu verbinden.

Ludwig meldete das Militär Juli 20 1861. Der Konflikt fing im April 1861.

Möglicherweise glaubte er daß (mit Recht also) in der Moral und in den Idealen von Abolitionists und von seiner Absicht war zu helfen, den Kampf zu gewinnen.

Ein kann Gründe nur schätzen warum.

Ludwig Ruhkopf bildete das entscheidende selfless Opfer. Beim Kämpfen, um andere zu befreien starb er in der Knechtschaft.

Barbie





Hallo Cactus Flower,
danke für den Ludwig Ruhkopf .  Ich haben einen, der 1842 geboren ist, aber
drei weitere Vornamen hat. Aber ich denke, dieser Knabe wird es sein. Was
hat er nur angestellt?
Ich habe noch weitere Ruhkopf's , die ausgewandert sind.
Ruhkopf, Franziska, 41 Jahre, am 28.06.1852 von Bremen nach Milwaukee mit
dem Schiff Johannes

Ruhkopf, Cara- 7 J. u. Ruhkopf, Engel, 9 J. am 4.11.1867 von Bremerhaven
nach Misouri mit dem Schiff Uhland

Ruhkopf Anna, 23 J und Marie, 25 J.  am 07.05.1881 von Bremen – USA mit dem
Schiff Neckar

Ruhkopf, Anna, 25 J. und Ruhkopf, Ilse  23 J. am 17.10.1881von Bremen - USA
mit dem Schiff Donau

Ruhkopf , Catharina, Alter 24 Jahre am05.08.1875 von Bremen – USA mit dem
Schiff Oder

Ruhkopf, Herm. Alter 50 Jahre, Farmer am 01.06.1888 von Bremen –
Sauthampton  mit dem Schiff Lahn
Rukopf, Marie, 40 J, Rukopf, Ernst, 15 J., Rukopf, Martha, 11 J., Rukopf,
Adolf, 7 J. Rukopf, Marie, 5 Jahre
am 03.11.1888  von Bremen – Sauthampton mit dem Schiff Aller

Läßt sich in Amerka über die Namen Ru(h)kopf etwas finden, zum Beispiel
über Telefonbücher, Telefon-CD oder ähnlichem ?
Liebe Grüße Uschi Wojciechowski



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[HN] Ahnenforschung Ruhkopf

Date: 2006/06/15 15:47:46
From: Ursula Wojciechowski <ruhwo(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Barbie,
ich habe mich über die Mail und die damit verbundene Erklärung sehr gefreut. Danke vielmals.
Liebe Grüße Uschi Wojciechwski
Ahnenforschung Ruhkopf-Hannover-Hildesheim


Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/15 16:19:49
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

I have really enjoyed reading these posts with historical content.  Can any
of you give me a list of suggested readings to learn more?  Thanks in
advance.

Janice

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Subject: Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census


On 6/14/06, Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>John, In my reading of contemporary history and of that written much later,
>I do not find that your characterizations of grief and trepidation were par
>for the course.

It's all a matter of degree that is disputable in the end I suppose Fred. I
thought I balanced the "push" and "pull" factors rather fairly and
accurately when discussing Prussia vis-à-vis the Kingdom of Hannover and
Lower Saxony. The Prussian military "factor" is often overplayed (even to
this day) as you and I have both stated before. But it goes without saying
that some Saxons, as well as other Germans, never fully aligned with
Prussian aims. And this was not but a teeny tiny handful either, or just the
Princes (and their underlings) of the resistance. The annexation was never a
completely seamless process; many Saxons had no choice but to bite the
bullet to some extent. But admittedly, the Prussians were not exactly
foreign conquerors either, but more like distant cousins who came a
knocking. Many Saxons did embrace the new order, and it has to be emphasized
clearly that Bismarck tapped from a growing nationalistic spirit that was
clearly manifest throughout Germany at the time. He did not create this on
his own, or out of a vacuum.

A few points to consider though. General von Arentschildt and his forces
fought gallantly and in pitched battle, and their throwing in the flag as
quickly as they did had less to do with their hearts not being in resisting
the Prussia intrusion as much as it did with the realization that their
outright destruction was at hand. Moltke and Falckenstein had bought time
and cleverly surrounded them with two massive armies (Generals von Goeben,
von Manteuffel and von Beyer and their troops were all in the vicinity).
Continued resistance was no longer in the cards. The Saxon soldiers - like
Hannoverians in general - may not have been all that crazy for King George,
but they appeared in no hurry to embrace the King of Prussia either, and
were in fact urging their Bavarian allies to link up to carry the battle
further.

Also, in all fairness, I mentioned there was a -measure- of trepidation and
resentment on the part of many Germans when the Prussians were on the march
throughout the 1860's, but this only stands to reason. Northerners did
emigrate in increased numbers at this time, and many letters can be found of
emigrants who had no intention of letting their sons serve or die under the
expanding Prussian banner. Whether it was outright opposition to Bismarck
and the King of Prussia, or weariness with war in general, is debatable, but
I suspect it was a little of both.

By far the largest number of German immigrants who went to America and
elsewhere were in search of an improved standard of living. That is beyond
question, in 1870 as it was 100 years earlier, and a hundred years later.
Far fewer went seeking political or religious freedoms, though of course
some did. But I'm not sure how you can argue that the threat of Prussian
military service - ultimately with the goal of its avoidance - did not
motivate many Germans, the Saxons as much as anybody as they certainly lost
out as much as any state at the time of the Prussian incorporation. The
Hannoverian Army was a hotbed of disgruntlement for years thereafter, and
that has certainly been documented. It took Wilhelm II to right some of
these perceived wrongs a generation later, as I mentioned in an earlier
post.

>Of course there were losers in the upper classes but these represent a very
>small proportion of society as a whole and did not typically emigrate as
>they still had more then anybody else.

Yes of which my own family was one, only they did apparently feel the need /
necessity to emigrate. Perhaps more of an exception to the rule even amongst
the landed classes, but obviously it still happened, as my own kin are
proof.

>I can not speak for the southern German states as I'm not that familiar
>with their history but in the north the drive for unification and
>nationalism was pretty much a bottom up occurance. As a matter of fact, it
>represented a threat to the established order and caused Prussia to back
>off with its support for the wars against Denmark to help the Holsteiners
>gain their German freedom. Popular uprisings during the mid 19th century
>were common and a continuous threat to the autocratic governments of the
>time - including that of Hannover. The powers-to-be liked their insular
>little local states but the people did not. They wanted a united Germany
>and only Prussia could lead such a state.

This states it well and quite accurately. Only the choice of Prussia to lead
the way - which was inevitable really, given no other state was capable of
lighting the way at that junction - was not necessarily "the peoples choice"
across the board (even if it was pretty much a fait accompli at the time).
Not sure if Prussia would ever have accomplished this in and by itself
without the remarkable abilities of Bismarck leading the charge. More would
do well to read up on the man -- there is much more to the story than first
meets the eye. He was a brilliant tactician and strategist, and many of his
reforms last to this day (and rightly so). He was also something of a
reluctant conqueror when all was said and done, as opposed to say Hitler who
more readily embraced the methods of aggrandizement, feeling the need for
German expansion outwards was tantamount for Germany's long term survival
and prosperity (hand in hand with the destruction of Communism).

>I keep reading from you and Jane that a veritable revolt of the people rose
>up against Prussia and as a result everybody ran off to America. That is
>simply not true but I invite information to the contrary.

Well speaking only for myself (Jane you're on your own I'm afraid <g>), you
are over-reading it then. I actually feared some on the list were going to
say at some point WHO LET THAT BLOODY PREUSSEN JB ON OUR LIST TO BEGIN WITH!
SAXONS UNITE! :-)
Kidding aside, if you read back on most of my posts regarding this subject
over the last month or so, you will see I am simply acknowledging that some
did, not all and certainly not the majority. I simply have tried to state
the obvious, which is the new Prussian order came to be for a gamut of
reasons (nationalism as much as any other), but it was not hammered into
place amid adoring smiles and flag waving from one end of society to the
other, even amongst the working classes. There was a degree of trepidation
for some. The war with France and Napolean III may have been embraced by
most Germans but certainly not everyone, and there were plenty of Saxons in
particular shipping out to avoid serving in the army of Prussia. Do you
really care to argue that?

>Emigration was made easier under Prussian governance. Rules became
>enforceable as they now became one law across many former states with
>different rules.

They simply made it easier to do so within conformance of the law, where
earlier many Germans had no choice but to seek passage with less regard to
the existing (regional) statutes due to the hoops the governing authorities
often put them through. At that time the grease of bribery - born of
desperation - ran rampant. The Prussians, with typical Prussian efficiency,
smoothed out a lot of these unnecessary kinks in the process. Of course it
should be noted that many Germans who were destitute had their passage
overseas paid by their local community to save the increasing costs to the
public purse well before any Prussian reforms were ever enacted.

>That some folks didn't want to serve in the military and rather emigrated
>is normal as the time served could ruin many plans. But it was not
>specifically Prussian or military service in general that some people tried
>to escape. Many quickly joined German units to fight for the Union here in
>the states. Mostly the reasons for emigration were passed down through the
>generations and something anti-Prussian or anti-German-military served as a
>better reason than the real one: poverty and a quest for a better life.

One of the greatest high points in German immigration into the United States
was during the period 1866-1873, the years which saw the emergence of
Prussia as the dominant state in the German lands and the series of wars
against Austria, Denmark and France, culminating as we know in the
proclamation of the German Empire in 1870/71. This increase in immigration
was not a mere coincidence. And they were not all coming to join the Union
Army. :)

Beyond the conscription concerns and avoidance I already mentioned, the
number of Catholic immigrants increased in rather dramatic numbers following
Bismarck's Kulturkampf (1871-1887) during the power struggle between the
Prussian state and the Catholic church. Likewise, Bismarck's Anti-Socialist
Laws (1878-1890) caused quite a few Social Democrats to move to the States
to pursue their political agendas (and for some, continue their "class
struggle"). It was not just a tiny portion of the landed class who lost out
or shoved off.

The main reason in fact that emigration curtailed as time went on after the
German Empire was founded had more to do with the spread of
industrialization and the rapid growth of German cities (and thus an
increase of opportunities) than Prussian reforms alone, or a wholesale
embracing of the new order. More people who may have otherwise chosen to
emigrate went instead to these large cities and industrial towns that were
now rapidly expanding, rather than to America or beyond.

Whether "push factors," fanned by disgruntlement with the Prussian way of
running things, and/or living conditions in general in Germany, or whether
"pull factors" -- faith in more favorable opportunities in the United States
-- exercised a greater influence on many emigrant's decision to leave, is
impossible to ascertain. Somewhere in between lies the answer no doubt.

>We need to always remember that by far most immigrants came from the bottom
>barrel of society. They were the day laborers, the Heuerleute and landless
>farmers whose main goal was to own some land anywhere they could get it.
>The US was the best place to achieve that dream. Society was still mostly
>rural and land ownership was at it's base.
>
>Fred

Could not agree more. Your post is well written as usual. But then we
actually agree on most things, as I have come to see. ;) Perhaps more to the
point (and as I stated before), to know Germany is to know Prussia, and
vice-versa.

Jb

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Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.

Date: 2006/06/15 17:36:29
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Hear! Hear!

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Subject: Re: [HN] Englische Anfragen.


Dare I say it's a little like Hannoverians and Prussians in the end. You
don't know whether you should appreciate them, tolerate them, or despise
them! It certainly makes for interesting theater [and exchanges] if nothing
else.

It has to be remembered that for all the aggravation we present from the
Anglo side, our German colleagues are getting free English lessons (and
occasional practice) at our expense, since the majority on this side of the
waters are hopeless with their sparse or non-existent Deutsch. In that
regard, there is precious little reciprocation to be had. The fact that any respond from across the language grain - and more telling, that so many do -
is proof of the bonds that unite us, and why I continually value and
appreciate my German heritage, and things Germanic.

May I beseech the frustrated and occasionally bewildered to avoid the all
too familiar cry of YANKEE GO HOME! We have enough of that as it is in the
world at large. :-)

Hut ab! ist richtig. H-L über alles. Jb

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Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/15 17:42:21
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

I agree, as I also enjoy reading these post.   Jill

Re: [HN] Kopfsteuerbeschr. Calenberg-Goettingen u.Grubenhagen 1689, Teil 1, Seite 213 Eldagsen

Date: 2006/06/16 00:33:33
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Rudolf,
Es geht um Heinrich Jakob Wlöme ! ?

Den Eintrag habe ich hier.
 Er wohnte bei Hans Heinrich Opperman im Brauhaus . Er war der Bräutigam von Anna Elisabeth Dippens, ca. 21 Jahre alt.Tochter von Elisabet Dippens geb. Diestelhorst, Witwe von Borchert Dippens, sie ist seiner zeit 50 Jahre alt.
Liebe grüße sendet Petra
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> Richtig schade Rainer - zu spaet ! Ich werde hier mal schauen in der 
> Bibliothek ob es sie da gibt. Vielen Dank fuer deine muehe. Gruss Rudolf
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rainer Dörry" <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Kopfsteuerbeschr. Calenberg-Goettingen u.Grubenhagen 1689,
> 
> Teil 1, Seite 213 Eldagsen
> 
> 
> Hallo
> 
> rfleumer schrieb:
> 
> >Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
> >Ich suche nach der Name WLOEME in der Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der 
> >Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689 , Teil 1 ,Seite 
> >213 Stadt Eldagsen.
> >Wer kann mir helfen Bitte ?
> >Gruss aus Rotterdam Holland
> >Rudolf Fleumer
> >
> Da ich bisher keine andere Antwort gesehen habe, antworte ich mal.
> Leider kann ich aber derzeit auch nicht mehr helfen. Vor einigen Tagen
> hatte ich noch den Band 1. Leider gibt es den nur als Microfiche und nur
> in der Bibliothek zu lesen. Da ich mit meiner Recherche fertig war, habe
> ich die Microfiches zurückgegeben.
> Vielleicht ist er ja auch in einer holländischen Bibliothek per Ausleihe
> zu lesen.
> Freundliche Grüße
> Rainer [Dörry]
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Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/16 05:19:05
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

As with any larger-than-life historical figure, you would do well to read a few different accounts to get a fuller (and by extension, less biased) picture. Much of my reading on the Iron Chancellor reverts from a few years back I'm afraid, so I can't vouch for each and every edition below (or even recall precisely which I read necessarily), but suffice to say there is worthy material to be found within the ones listed. Many of these can be found at any decent sized library, or per online bookstores like Amazon or Powells, etc.

The A.J.P Taylor edition I recall as being surprisingly even handed and thorough, though he can often be a bit of a reactionist in his criticisms of things overtly German or Germanic (curse his misguided soul). David Williamson is a lecturer (saw him once in person actually, even challenged him on a point or two) and former head of History and Politics at Highgate School. He writes extensively on matters relating to German history. Louis Snyder was Professor [Emeritus] of History at City University in NYC at one time. I read Erich Eyck's edition when I was much younger. It is a highly detailed work and I believe translated from the Dutch, which can sometimes lead to a bit of fragmentation with certain phrases here and there from the original. He is something of an Anglophile I recall (something our lovely Rena will no doubt appreciate). Bismarck's Authentic Biography is on another dimension altogether, an accounting from last century and heavily adorned with sketches by noted German artists.

The problem with many historians of course is the biases they can't help but exhibit (or attempt to disguise). It is hard to be truly objective - even with concerted effort - for any of us, as it practically betrays our preconceptions and value systems. This is also true of authors, though many work hard at giving as fair a hearing as possible to the subject at hand. Sadly, when it comes to practically any modern historical figure, you will find many who see only what they want to see - a Machiavellian twist behind every action, a sardonic or cynical rejoinder to explain every initiative undertaken or attempted. Looking past the author's description, you often wonder how these individuals got to be famous at all! Fortunately this is not true of every scribe who gets published, but one reason why certain authors of less renown often make for surprisingly good - or at a minimum, thought engendering - reads, when you can find them (whereas the large publishing houses often dismiss the unwashed as little more than heretical revisionists).

As I see it, this often this comes down to how much the chronicler appreciates men of action or change, the disruptors of the status quo and terrible simplifiers, as opposed to those of more measured rhetoric and reason (though both naturally have their place). As we all have seen, when the two crash head on, sparks tend to fly. And if they should ever come together in a synthesized package as they occasionally do (and moreover, should the times in question allow for their entrance upon center stage), fireworks of a grander nature are almost sure to follow. Such was the case with Otto von Bismarck. The father and towering figure of the modern German nation to some, repressor and last representative of the world of the ancient régimes to others.

Enjoy the read; it will certainly be worth the time invested. Of course almost anything is, once you look past Hollywood for the more illuminating story. :-) Jb


Otto von Bismarck
-----------------------

Bismarck and Germany 1862-1890
by D. G. Williamson
Longman; 2nd edition, 1998

The Blood and Iron Chancellor: A Documentary Biography of Otto Von Bismarck
by Louis L. Snyder
Van Nostrand Company, 1967

Bismarck and the German Empire
by Erich Eyck
W. W. Norton & Company, 1964

Bismarck, the Hohenzollern Candidacy, and the Origins of the Franco-German War of 1870
by Lawrence D. Steefel
Harvard University Press, 1962

Bismarck: The Man and the Statesman
by A.J.P. Taylor
Vintage Publishing, 1967

Bismarck: His Authentic Biography (1877)
by George Hesekiel; Bayard Taylor
Kessinger Publishing, 2004


From: "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:19:39 -0500

I have really enjoyed reading these posts with historical content.  Can any
of you give me a list of suggested readings to learn more?  Thanks in
advance.

Janice

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Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/16 06:51:03
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>

On 6/15/06, J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
As with any larger-than-life historical figure, you would do well to read a
few different accounts to get a fuller (and by extension, less biased)

John describes history and Bismark in a broad sense about the German
nation state. Here is a quick look at a historical novel written only
a few years after 1866 and by a participant in the affairs of the
times:

Erinnerungen eines deutschen Offiziers 1848-1871
Aus zwei annectirten Ländern

Julius Hartmann, Lt. Gen. Royal Prussian forces
1884


A biographical novel with incidental characters in fictional names but
using real famous persons to bind the whole topic together.

"Ich wollte in novellistischer Form den Zeitraum schildern, wie ich
ihn erlebt habe"

Meine erste Absicht war zu erzählen, wie sich in dem mir lieben
Hannover die verhängnißvollen Ereignisse des Jahres 1866 allmählich
bereiteten und wie meine, dennoch überraschten, kernigen Landsleute
ihnen begegnete. Als diese Darstellung unter dem Titel: "Aus zwei
annectirten Ländern" in der Deutschen Rundschau Beifall gefunden,
entschloß ich mich, das ganze Buch zu veröffentlichen, um zu zeigen,
wie schwer, aber auch wie lohnend der Übergang aus der kleinen Heimath
in fremde, große Verhältnisse für das Gemüht des Annectirten  war und
wie beglückt sich diejenigen fühlten, welche an der Einigung der
Nation mitarbeiteten.

Hartmann describes his life (born 1838 in Stade) as grew up, went to
school and the military academy in Hannover. He eventually joined the
Prussian army to become a Lt. General. The description is full of the
intrigues between England via the Royal family, Hanover and Austria
and those favoring Prussia. There are spies and religious zealots and
anti-catholicism. The connection with RC Austria was much despised as
Hanover considered itself a Protestant country.  Rumors abounded that
even the queen would turn Catholic just to continue to rule and not
give up the throne. Neighboring Prussia was feared by the royal family
and all attempts at union were sabotaged while far away Austria, safe
and for the status quo, was made into an unnatural friend. The people
did not appreciate the connection. German nationalism was burning in
their souls from the writings of Kleist, Heine, Schiller and many
others:

„It was Germany's writers, such as HEINRICH VON KLEIST and HÖLDERLIN
who appealed to the Germans to resist the French, declaring the French
the archenemy. When Napoleon's GRANDE ARMEE was almost annihilated at
the BERESINA in 1812, thousands of German burghers and students
volunteered to fight in the WARS OF LIBERATION (1813). They expected
their effort to be rewarded, demanded a written constitution and
German unification. However, at the VIENNA CONGRESS (1813-15), where
the new world order was shaped, royalty was represented, not the
burghers. Post-Napoleonic Germany consisted of ca. 40 states, among
them great powers such as Austria and Prussia, and statelets such as
Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach. 4 were republics, the others monarchies. The
monarchies regarded liberals and nationalists as subversive elements;
written constitutions did not materialize, but secret police did,
their first charge being to prevent another revolution.

German nationalists had supported the Polish rebellion (against
Russia) of 1830-1831. However, political organizations and political
discussions in public were prohibited. VEREINE (clubs, societies) such
as choral societies or sports clubs were founded, nationalistic in
character. At sessions, the local policeman had to be present to take
notes. In such an atmosphere, many burghers, disappointed from
politics, withdrew into private life. Such men were called BIEDERMANN,
honest (dull, lethargic, unpolitical) man. Political activists often
went into exile, writer HEINRICH HEINE to France, philosopher KARL
MARX to London.

Then, in 1840, France's parliament openly discussed to extend the
French border to the Rhine, which meant the annexation of most of
Prussia's RHEINPROVINZ. The newspaper reports about the debate stirred
up national sentiment in an instant. Germans were aware of their
military weakness - Austria had not won a war on it's own since 1718,
Prussia not since Frederick the Great (1740-1786). Again, writers
appealed to the Germans to prepare themselves for armed resistance.
Songs like the GUARD ON THE RHINE (1840)
http://ingeb.org/Lieder/esbraust.html and the SONG OF THE GERMANS
(Deutschlandlied, 1841) http://ingeb.org/Lieder/deutschl.html became
popular instantly. The French did not extend their border to the
Rhine. However, the spirit they had kindled was to haunt them for the
next century.
German nationalism from the start was associated with militarism and
strength. The writers regarded military strength as a precondition for
the unification yearned for. However, this very unification was
regarded as a threat by Prussia (with two Polish provinces, West
Prussia and Posen), and even more by Austria (a state dominated by a
German administration, ruling over Hungarians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks,
Walachians, Italians, Croats etc.).

Early German nationalism was subversive (toward the number of German
states and statelets), whom most nationalists or patriots attempted to
defeat by ignoring them, by banning the princes into the sphere of the
fairy tales (this may have been a purpose behind the publication of
Grimm's Fairytales); some, such as student Karl von Sand (1819), by
violent action (he killed Russian diplomat August von Kotzebue). Most
patriots of the early 19th century envisioned a German nation state as
a desirable alternative to a police state denying its inhabitants most
civic rights. Liberals and nationalists (or patriots) largely pursued
the same goals, mainly differing in their priorities."


It could be argued that Hartmann wrote as a Prussian officer and
attempted to justify Prussian actions in retrospect. Yet, he writes in
a period where the Reich had formed and a parliament was fully
functional as an elective body. The power of the monarchy was
declining into a constitutional government. The turmoil from below was
always there. The genie had been left out of the bottle.

He gives us a  view from close up in time and space. Hanover was his
Heimat and he clearly wished his home region well in a united Germany.
He argues that all was for the best by far. It can remind us of the
difficulties our early united states had visa vie a strong central
goverment and states rights. The struggle continues to this day.


Fred



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Re: [HN] Kopfsteuerbeschr. Calenberg-Goettingen u.Grubenhagen 1689, Teil 1, Seite 213 Eldagsen

Date: 2006/06/16 10:22:45
From: rfleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Hallo Petra,
Herzlichen Dank fuer deine Hilfe !! Hervorragend
Gruss aus Rotterdam
Rudolf


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Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:33 AM
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Hallo Rudolf,
Es geht um Heinrich Jakob Wlöme ! ?

Den Eintrag habe ich hier.
Er wohnte bei Hans Heinrich Opperman im Brauhaus . Er war der Bräutigam von Anna Elisabeth Dippens, ca. 21 Jahre alt.Tochter von Elisabet Dippens geb. Diestelhorst, Witwe von Borchert Dippens, sie ist seiner zeit 50 Jahre alt.
Liebe grüße sendet Petra
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Von: "rfleumer"<hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Richtig schade Rainer - zu spaet ! Ich werde hier mal schauen in der
Bibliothek ob es sie da gibt. Vielen Dank fuer deine muehe. Gruss Rudolf


----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Dörry" <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Kopfsteuerbeschr. Calenberg-Goettingen u.Grubenhagen 1689,

Teil 1, Seite 213 Eldagsen


Hallo

rfleumer schrieb:

>Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
>Ich suche nach der Name WLOEME in der Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der
>Fürstentümer Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689 , Teil 1 ,Seite
>213 Stadt Eldagsen.
>Wer kann mir helfen Bitte ?
>Gruss aus Rotterdam Holland
>Rudolf Fleumer
>
Da ich bisher keine andere Antwort gesehen habe, antworte ich mal.
Leider kann ich aber derzeit auch nicht mehr helfen. Vor einigen Tagen
hatte ich noch den Band 1. Leider gibt es den nur als Microfiche und nur
in der Bibliothek zu lesen. Da ich mit meiner Recherche fertig war, habe
ich die Microfiches zurückgegeben.
Vielleicht ist er ja auch in einer holländischen Bibliothek per Ausleihe
zu lesen.
Freundliche Grüße
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Date: 2006/06/16 18:35:27
From: GERALD BAILEY <gbailey(a)flash.net>

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Re: [HN] nickel

Date: 2006/06/17 05:21:35
From: ann <aknaebel(a)earthlink.net>

Hello
 
Just noticed that you are searching for Nickels around Goettingen area.  My g-grandfather was born in Goettingen as listed on his passport.  However, I found his church records at St. Georg in Gunterode.  With this information regarding the Hollenbach families, I noticed that an ANDREAS NICKEL is listed as Godparent for one of the members of my family baptized in 1836.  Maybe this could be a lead for you to follow.  You may contact the
"Katholisches Pfarramt, St. Georg,
 Hinterdorfstr. 2
 37308 Guenterode.

  or e-mail  PF.Jacob(a)online.de and request information regarding the Nickel family.  

Or e-mail Erika Trueman at erika(a)ntlworld.com and she has a book regarding the Guenterode area and she may check for you also.

Good luck in your endeavor.  I was really thrilled when I finally received the information on my family.

God Bless and thanks to all who do so much for those who are still searching.

Anna in Missouri, USA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Strelan <rick.strelan(a)uq.edu.au>
>Sent: Jun 13, 2006 10:26 PM
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>Subject: [HN] nickel
>
>I'd be interested if anyone has any information on Nickels living around Goettingen in the early 1800s and earlier. There seems to have been a Johann Ernst Nickel who was a miller in that area around that time. His son was Georg Wilhelm Nickel who later was a pastor in Holdenstedt in the mid-1800s.
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Re: [HN] nickel

Date: 2006/06/17 05:21:35
From: ann <aknaebel(a)earthlink.net>

Hello
 
Just noticed that you are searching for Nickels around Goettingen area.  My g-grandfather was born in Goettingen as listed on his passport.  However, I found his church records at St. Georg in Gunterode.  With this information regarding the Hollenbach families, I noticed that an ANDREAS NICKEL is listed as Godparent for one of the members of my family baptized in 1836.  Maybe this could be a lead for you to follow.  You may contact the
"Katholisches Pfarramt, St. Georg,
 Hinterdorfstr. 2
 37308 Guenterode.

  or e-mail  PF.Jacob(a)online.de and request information regarding the Nickel family.  

Or e-mail Erika Trueman at erika(a)ntlworld.com and she has a book regarding the Guenterode area and she may check for you also.

Good luck in your endeavor.  I was really thrilled when I finally received the information on my family.

God Bless and thanks to all who do so much for those who are still searching.

Anna in Missouri, USA
-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Jun 13, 2006 10:26 PM
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>Subject: [HN] nickel
>
>I'd be interested if anyone has any information on Nickels living around Goettingen in the early 1800s and earlier. There seems to have been a Johann Ernst Nickel who was a miller in that area around that time. His son was Georg Wilhelm Nickel who later was a pastor in Holdenstedt in the mid-1800s.
>
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[HN] Wendland / Kirchspiele Trebel, Gorleben, Dannenberg

Date: 2006/06/17 10:09:29
From: Reinhard Worthmann <reinhard.worthmann(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Liste,

sucht, forscht jemand in den Kirchspielen Trebel und
Gorleben im Wendland und kann mir helfen?

Hoppe aus Nemitz
Girialke, Jeriakes u.ä. aus Nemitz
Peters aus Nemitz
Stegemann aus Tobringen
Schumacher aus Grippel
Schaefke, Schäfeke u.ä. aus Gedelitz
Leip aus Lomitz
Schulze aus Marleben
Steffens aus Prezelle
Brockmann aus Grippel
Röschen aus Lentzer Wische
Krüger aus Dannenberg
Jahncke, Nebuhr, Pliesch, Beussel, Wolters 
 

Mit besten Grüßen
Reinhard Worthmann

[HN] Wendt family

Date: 2006/06/17 15:00:40
From: WBL435 <WBL435(a)aol.com>

My grandfather was August Wendt who came to America  around 1857 with his 
mother.  Four brothers came later.  The father,  Henry Wendt never came to 
America.  The family came from the Hannover or  Hamburg areas.  Also am interested 
in information on a August Mädel, Frau  Lina Mädel and Else Mädel.  Any 
information on August Wendt family and  these others would be appreciated.  Send 
direct to _wbl435(a)aol.com_ (mailto:wbl435(a)aol.com) .  Thanks in advance, Bill  
Leichter

Re: [HN] Wendt family

Date: 2006/06/17 17:57:27
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Bill,
    There are these listings on the Hannover Emigration lists:

Wendt, August Friedrich Jürgen
Wendt, Ulrike Friederike Henriette Dorothee

They come from Ahlden (which is south of Walsrode) Do these names match your
August and his mother?

Barbara


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> America.  The family came from the Hannover or  Hamburg areas.  Also am
> interested 
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> information on August Wendt family and  these others would be appreciated.
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Re: [HN] nickel

Date: 2006/06/18 02:15:56
From: Rick Strelan <rick.strelan(a)uq.edu.au>

Thanks, Ann. I'll follow up the addresses you gave me. I suspect the Andreas
Nickel comes from another Nickel stream, but thanks anyway!

Rick
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Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] nickel


Hello

Just noticed that you are searching for Nickels around Goettingen area.  My
g-grandfather was born in Goettingen as listed on his passport.  However, I
found his church records at St. Georg in Gunterode.  With this information
regarding the Hollenbach families, I noticed that an ANDREAS NICKEL is
listed as Godparent for one of the members of my family baptized in 1836.
Maybe this could be a lead for you to follow.  You may contact the
"Katholisches Pfarramt, St. Georg,
 Hinterdorfstr. 2
 37308 Guenterode.

  or e-mail  PF.Jacob(a)online.de and request information regarding the Nickel
family.

Or e-mail Erika Trueman at erika(a)ntlworld.com and she has a book regarding
the Guenterode area and she may check for you also.

Good luck in your endeavor.  I was really thrilled when I finally received
the information on my family.

God Bless and thanks to all who do so much for those who are still
searching.

Anna in Missouri, USA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Strelan <rick.strelan(a)uq.edu.au>
>Sent: Jun 13, 2006 10:26 PM
>To: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>Subject: [HN] nickel
>
>I'd be interested if anyone has any information on Nickels living around
Goettingen in the early 1800s and earlier. There seems to have been a Johann
Ernst Nickel who was a miller in that area around that time. His son was
Georg Wilhelm Nickel who later was a pastor in Holdenstedt in the mid-1800s.
>
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[HN] Question

Date: 2006/06/18 05:19:24
From: StuHerrmannCPA <StuHerrmannCPA(a)aol.com>

 
Hello.
 
My name is Stuart Herrmann and I have family from Beckedorf and the  
surrounding areas. IS this the place for such inquiries?
 
Is there a Municipal source of information going back to the mid  1930's?
 
Thank you.
 
Stu Herrmann


Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/18 07:47:12
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hiyas,

Firstly, I apoligize for these remarks..


Then, there was a French-German War of 1870-1871. After this war, when Bismarck really started prosecutions of Polish, it was a beginning, as I mentioned, of the huge inflow of Polish immigrants to the United States, especially to the cities of: Buffalo, Toledo, Detroit, Chicago and Milwaukee. They were mostly veterans of the French-German war, some of them even from the Danish war and Austrian war. Almost all Radom colonists were among those newcomers.

(They were from a jubilee book about St. Michael The Archangel Church in Radom, Washington, Illinois.)
---------
Most patriots of the early 19th century envisioned a German nation state as
a desirable alternative to a police state denying its inhabitants most
civic rights.

Liberals and nationalists (or patriots) largely pursued the same goals, mainly differing in their priorities."
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^ remove a couple words...and could almost nearly match todays political climate today regarding Iraq...

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[HN] ehlers

Date: 2006/06/18 11:17:19
From: chad ehlers <ehlerscm74(a)yahoo.com>

Hello ,Im iooking for info on one of my Ehlers ancestors from Schoningen .Heinrich Friedrich Adolph Ehlers born sep 9 1818 . I 
   have some information on Bock,Probts ancestors from that area ,Thanks Chad  ehlerscm74(a)yahoo.com

 		
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Re: [HN] ehlers

Date: 2006/06/18 13:23:30
From: Ralf Stamporek <R.S(a)pobox.com>

Hello Chad,

let me first check, if you are talking about Schoningen as Schoeningen,
near Helmstedt (Braunschweig) with today's ZIP code 38364.
There are two others, one near Uslar, the other in Pomerania.

However, I believe you mean the first, because the name EHLERS is spread
(not widely, though a few families) in this town.

In my database I found a few EHLERS from D-38364 Schoeningen. No match,
but for what it's worth, I found a couple who could probably be the
parents of Heinrich Friedrich Adolph EHLERS.

These are: Heinrich Andreas EHLERS * ca. 1790 in Lobmachtersen (near
Salzgitter), died in Schoeningen May 29, 1858. He received civil liberty
in Schoeningen on January 17, 1818. He married in Schoeningen on
October 23, 1816
Johanne Wilhelmine Henriette GRUNDNER. I have no birth date for her. She
deceased on September 20, 1866.

Maybe this is it. Happy hunting!
Regards,
Ralf Stamporek

chad ehlers schrieb:
Hello ,Im iooking for info on one of my Ehlers ancestors from Schoningen .Heinrich Friedrich Adolph Ehlers born sep 9 1818 . I have some information on Bock,Probts ancestors from that area ,Thanks Chad ehlerscm74(a)yahoo.com
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Re: [HN] ehlers

Date: 2006/06/18 14:39:45
From: chad ehlers <ehlerscm74(a)yahoo.com>

Thanks Ralf, yes i ment Schoeningen 38364 I have his fathers name Johann Friedrich and he was hussars first sgt in schoningen.Ive got 3 generations from schoningen in my line of Ehlers before emigration to US .There could be a conection between Johann Friedrich and Heinrich Andreas becouse I dont know where Johann Friedrich was born, just that he married Marie Charlotte Probst in1817 in Schoningen and died in schoningen and my Ehlers line stops with him. Thanks,Chad

Ralf Stamporek <R.S(a)pobox.com> wrote:  Hello Chad,

let me first check, if you are talking about Schoningen as Schoeningen,
near Helmstedt (Braunschweig) with today's ZIP code 38364.
There are two others, one near Uslar, the other in Pomerania.

However, I believe you mean the first, because the name EHLERS is spread
(not widely, though a few families) in this town.

In my database I found a few EHLERS from D-38364 Schoeningen. No match,
but for what it's worth, I found a couple who could probably be the
parents of Heinrich Friedrich Adolph EHLERS.

These are: Heinrich Andreas EHLERS * ca. 1790 in Lobmachtersen (near
Salzgitter), died in Schoeningen May 29, 1858. He received civil liberty
in Schoeningen on January 17, 1818. He married in Schoeningen on
October 23, 1816
Johanne Wilhelmine Henriette GRUNDNER. I have no birth date for her. She
deceased on September 20, 1866.

Maybe this is it. Happy hunting!
Regards,
Ralf Stamporek

chad ehlers schrieb:
> Hello ,Im iooking for info on one of my Ehlers ancestors from Schoningen .Heinrich Friedrich Adolph Ehlers born sep 9 1818 . I 
> have some information on Bock,Probts ancestors from that area ,Thanks Chad ehlerscm74(a)yahoo.com
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[HN] Database of German Auswanderer in Southern Indiana

Date: 2006/06/18 15:26:13
From: Larry Knigga, Ph.D. <lknigga(a)yahoo.com>

Here is a link to a recent doctoral dissertation
dealing with the Germans in Southern Indiana...it has
a table of German Auswanderer giving names, origin in
Germany, etc.  If you have any links to Indiana or are
interested in Auswanderung, it is well worth
downloading.  The database details Auswanderer in
about half of the Lutheran Churches in the region.

Larry

http://docserver.bis.uni-oldenburg.de/publikationen/dissertation/2006/eicste06/eicste06.html

[HN] RUSSMANNS from Hannover

Date: 2006/06/18 17:15:08
From: Noreen Ott <nott(a)afes.com>

I am trying to trace the emigration of my GGrandfather, Arjen RUSSMANN, born Hannover, 1858. According to an 1890 Chicago Voter's List, he emigrated between 1868 and 1870 and settled in Illinois.

I cannot find him on any Ship's Passenger Lists..believe his father's name was Herman. Arjen would have been between 10 and 12 when he emigrated. Any help greatly appreciated. I have tried to translate this message into into German.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ich versuche, der Auswanderung meinem GGrandfather, Arjen RUSSMANN, geborenem Hannover verfzuolgen, 1858. Gemäß der Liste eines 1890 Chicago Wählers ist er zwischen 1868 ausgewandert und 1870 und hat in Illinois beseitigt.

Ich kann ihn auf dem Passagier irgendeines Schiffs Aufführt nicht finden.. glaubt, dass der Name seines Vaters Herman war. Arjen wäre zwischen 10 und 12 gewesen, als er ausgewandert ist.
Irgendeine Hilfe hat großartig geschätzt.

Noreen Ott
Woodland, California

[HN] WG: [AMF-Forschung] Gelehrte 1250 - 1550 (Online-Datenbank)

Date: 2006/06/18 19:58:21
From: Ralf G. Jordan <ahnen(a)rgjordan.de>

Hallo, 

Anbei den Verweis auf eine interessante Datenbank aus einer anderen
Mailinglist. 

Viele Grüsse

Ralf

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Gesendet: Sonntag, 18. Juni 2006 17:51
An: amf(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [AMF-Forschung] Gelehrte 1250 - 1550 (Online-Datenbank)


Hallo,

in der DAMALS 6/2006 wird auf das "Repertorium Academicus Germanicum"
(www.rag-online.org) hingewiesen. Das Projekt soll schrittweise die etwa
35000 graduierten Gelehrten erfassen, die zw. 1250 und 1550 an Universitäten
des Alten reiches und des Auslandes studiert haben. Zur Zeit erfasst 4635
Gelehrte der Unis Basel, Efurt, Frankfurt/O., Krakau, Leipzig, Prag und
Rostock. Theologische, jurist. und medizin. Fakultäten und Magister der
"artes liberalis". Online stehen 12 Suchkategorien zur Verfügung.

Möge es helfen !

Viele Grüße aus Dresden

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Re: [HN] Database of German Auswanderer in Southern Indiana

Date: 2006/06/18 22:24:05
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Hi Larry,

I have an interest in Ft Wayne as my Great Grandfather came there in 1854
I think.  I do not seem to be able to get the file open correct.  Would
you take a peek and see if it mentions a Christian Marhenke about that
time period---Bob Marhenke

[HN] Nickel Family in Guenterode

Date: 2006/06/19 02:01:47
From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>

Hi Rick,

I have a lot of Nickel listed in the Family Book of Gunterode. Gunterode is
29 km from Goettingen. Those listed are:

*	Joes Andreas Nickel, born 16.8.1798, died 30.5.1838
*	Johannes Josephus Nickel, born 30.4.1801, died 17.7.1839
*	Johannes Andreas Joseph Nickel, born 22.3.1832, died 20.5.1873
*	Georg Nickel, born 14.8.1831, died 30.10.1903
*	Andreas Joseph Nickel, born 19.3.1862, died 18.7.1945
*	Robert Nickel, born 1.9.1906, died 4.9.2001
*	Meinolf Nickel, born 10.12.1946
*	Andreas Nickel, born 28.1.1722, died 27.3.1810
*	Johannes Andreas Nickel, born 7.5.1768, died 11.10.1823
*	Andreas Nickel, born 28.1.1722, died 27.3.1810
*	Johannes Andreas Nickel, born 7.5.1768, died 11.10.1823
*	Hanss Nickell, born around 1640, died 8.5.1716
*	Johann Caspar Nickell, born 27.6.1677, died 15.5.1755

All these are named as head of family, and the information in the family
record book includes their wives and names (and dates) of all their
children.

If you are interested, I can scan the pages and send them via email
attachment.

Greetings from England

Erika



[HN] HAGEDORN married EHLERS - PETRA

Date: 2006/06/19 13:10:46
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hallo Petra,
Greetings from England.  I write to thank you for your help.
Ron has now contacted me about the Flachstockheim Ehlers line. We have exchanged information but we are missing a generation link (of course).

Thank you once again I am much obliged.
Rena in England
==
Hi rena,

  I thing, Ron dont havent this Information, i have send him this Mail.
  Sorry, my English is not so good. At time , he works in the moments at
  ather familie names, this here was a ...we said, a happy durch , or
  chance.
  Thank  and some greettings from Germany send Petra !
p.kuske(a)freenet.de

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  Betreff: [HN] HAGEDORN married EHLERS Gesendet: Do 25 Mai 2006
  13:22:33 CEST Von: "Rena McCarthy"<rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk> > Petra
  and Ron !!! > Thank you! thank you! for the information for my
  relative.  I am also excited to find information of Salzgitter!
  :-))  Does your friend have information of this other EHLERS family
  living in  Flackstöckheim (by Salzgitter )



[HN] EHLERS of OHLENDORF

Date: 2006/06/19 13:10:46
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hallo Listers,

I am trying to find a Conrad Ehlers who settled in England who was born between 1829-1831.

I found this EHLERS family in an 1836 OHLENDORF census.
  
Does anyone recognise this family?

EHLERS, Andreas (born abt 1796) Häusling
wife TIMPE geb.1803
EHLERS Sophie, 1825
EHLERS Heinrich, 1827
EHLERS Christian, 1829
EHLERS Conrad, 1831 (what happened to this person?)
EHLERS, Andreas 1836

Rena in England

[HN] Unbekannte Personen

Date: 2006/06/19 13:33:41
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Personen, die sind geheiratet mit Ritterbusch oder Ridderbusch und

nicht in einem Stammbaum sind zu stellen. Sehe website: www.ridderbos.info

Kapitel 19: Unbekannte Personen.

 

Ahrens, Dorothea Sophie Henriette *zirka 1820 wahrscheinlich KIRCHOHSEN

Alsweh, Justine Marie *zirka 1780 wahrscheinlich KIRCHBRAK

Ameiss, Anna Barbara *zirka 1835 wahrscheinlich DETMOLD

Beesemann, Court *zirka 1660 HAGEN

Bendix, Wilhelmine *zirka 1835 wahrscheinlich THAL

Bergheim, Johann Carl *21-7-1785 wahrscheinlich WREMEN

Böker, Ilsabey *1675 WESTERBRAK

Brackmeier, Luise Friederike Caroline *zirka 1830 wahrscheinlich LEMGO

Buntekiel, Henriette Sophie Karoline *zirka 1840 wahrscheinlich HAMELN

Cloppen, Auguste *zirka 1810 wahrscheinlich HANNOVER

Comarens, Anna Rebecca *zirka 1750 wahrscheinlich BREMERHAVEN

Engelke, Catharina *1628 KIRCHBRAK

Federmann, Dorothea *1732 BREMEN

Fehrmann, Christoph *zirka 1690 wahrscheinlich OESDORF

Fitzke, Anna Margaretha *zirka 1735 wahrscheinlich HANNOVER

Freisen, Sophie Christine Henriette *zirka 1780 wahrscheinlich HANNOVER

Fresen, Mette *28-10-1719 wahrscheinlich WREMEN

Fricke, Heinrich *zirka 1800 wahrscheinlich GELLERSEN

Goemann, Marie Dorothee *zirka 1780 wahrscheinlich EINBECK

Görtler, Christian *zirka 1770 wahrscheinlich KIRCHBRAK

Hakke, Johann Friedrich Wilhelm *zirka 1800 wahrscheinlich SCHEVELSTEIN

Hassebrock, Hinrich *zirka 1620 wahrscheinlich KIRCHOHSEN

Hassebrock, August *zirka 1855 wahrscheinlich HOLSTEIN

Hausherr, Ludowig *zirka 1665 wahrscheinlich HANNOVER

Heide, Maria Elisabeth von der *zirka 1655 BAARSEN

Henckel, Henrich *zirka 1655 wahrscheinlich KIRCHOHSEN

Henne, Johanne Karoline Friederike *zirka 1825 wahrscheinlich KIRCHBRAK

Heuer, Christian Heinrich August *zirka 1810 AERZEN

Heyden, Anna Maria *zirka 1650 wahrscheinlich HOLZHAUSEN

Holtegel, Catharina Maria *zirka 1715 wahrscheinlich EINBECK

Hoppe, Jobst Heinrich Friedrich *zirka 1795 wahrscheinlich SCHEVELSTEIN

Hövemeyer, Dorothea Louise *zirka 1780 wahrscheinlich HANNOVER

Hupe, Heinrich Georg Rudolph *zirka 1820 wahrscheinlich OTTENSTEIN

Kerken, Louise *zirka 1800 wahrscheinlich OTTENSTEIN

Kleinsorge, Hans Henrich *zirka 1740 LUGDE

Klussmann, Hans *zirka 1620 PEINE

Koch, Justine Luise *zirka 1830 wahrscheinlich ALVERDISSEN

Kuckuck, Engel *1616 AMELGATZEN

Kuckuck, Wilmine *zirka 1810 wahrscheinlich GELLERSEN

Kungen *1784 KIRCHBRAK

Leegen, Catrina *1639 AMELGATZEN

Lembke, Cordt *zirka 1650 wahrscheinlich KIRCHBRAK

Linneweber, Anne Marie Wilh. Fried. *zirka 1840 wahrscheinlich BLOMBERG

Lohmann, Sophie Charlotte *zirka 1780 wahrscheinlich AERZEN

Lücke, Marie *zirka 1800 wahrscheinlich THAL

Lutmann, Anna Marie *zirka 1780 wahrscheinlich SCHEVELSTEIN

Meier, Anne Marie *1799 RADSIEK

Mensen, Anna Becka *zirka 1720 wahrscheinlich BREMEN

Niemeier, Christian August Heinrich *27-2-1845 ROHRSEN

Ohm, Johann Friedrich Conrad *zirka 1800 AERZEN

Ossenbrink, Gertrud *zirka 1840 wahrscheinlich HOLSTEIN

Osterholz, Johann Hinrich *1750 wahrscheinlich WREMEN

Ottermann, Johanna *zirka 1820 wahrscheinlich ALVERDISSEN

Pieper, Anne *1643 REHER

Pook, Wilhelmine Marie Elisabeth *zirka 1820 wahrscheinlich OTTENSTEIN

Rakemann, Johanne Justine Karoline *1806 KIRCHBRAK

Reisener, Heinrich *zirka 1670 HOLZHAUSEN

Ricke, Dorothea Elisabeth *zirka 1700 REHER

Rickhoff, Anna Maria *zirka 1685 wahrscheinlich OESDORF

Rockmann, Catrina *zirka 1650 GRIESSEM

Rose, Hienrich Georg Carl August *17-11-1833 OTTENSTEIN

Schaper, Hans Henrich *zirka 1740 wahrscheinlich OESDORF

Schmedt, Hans Hinrich *zirka 1650 wahrscheinlich KIRCHBRAK

Schnittger, Wilhelmine Luise *zirka 1830 wahrscheinlich HILLENTRUP

Schomburg, Hanne Dorothee Friederike Louise *10-9-1835 OTTENSTEIN

Seelmeyer, Anna Sophia *zirka 1715 wahrscheinlich OTTENSTEIN

Sickmann, Wilhelm *zirka 1645 wahrscheinlich GELLERSEN

Sieck *zirka 1770 wahrscheinlich HOMEIEN

Spiegel, Johann Conrad *zirka 1770 wahrscheinlich REHER

Steffen, Johann Casper *zirka 1865 wahrscheinlich HOLSTEIN

Sylvester, Johann Dieterich *29-8-1745 WREMEN

Tewes, Engel Maria *zirka 1745 wahrscheinlich OTTENSTEIN

Tileke, Hans Henrich *zirka 1675 THAL

Timmermann, Anna Catrina *1740 OTTENSTEIN

Wiese, Catharina Hedwig *zirka 1635 AMELGATZEN

Wulf, Anna Catharina *25-8-1742 wahrscheinlich WREMEN

[HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/19 21:02:25
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

I am busy transcribing Baptismal records for a Lutheran Church established
in Goliad County, Texas in 1888.  On the Taufen records I have run across a
set of twin girls born with the following listing:  geb. 11 July 1898, get.
17 July 1898 and each also has a listed date preceeded by what looks like a
cross or a lower case t.  One as 18 July 1898 and the other as 21 July 1898.
Would this last date listed be a death date?  I understand the abbreviation
geb. is for geboren or birth date and the get. is the abbreviation for
getaufen or baptismal date, but I am unsure as to what the cross or t means.

Thanks for any help you can give me.
Janice Seiler
Citizens Medical Center
2701 Hospital Drive
Victoria, TX 77901
361-574-1715
jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org


Re: [HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/19 21:14:36
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>

Hi Janice!
Yes, a cross means gestorben means death date. A little square means begraben means burial day.
Greatings, Andrea (Korbanka), Heilbronn, Germany


From: "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Baptismal records
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:01:45 -0500

I am busy transcribing Baptismal records for a Lutheran Church established
in Goliad County, Texas in 1888.  On the Taufen records I have run across a
set of twin girls born with the following listing:  geb. 11 July 1898, get.
17 July 1898 and each also has a listed date preceeded by what looks like a
cross or a lower case t. One as 18 July 1898 and the other as 21 July 1898.
Would this last date listed be a death date?  I understand the abbreviation
geb. is for geboren or birth date and the get. is the abbreviation for
getaufen or baptismal date, but I am unsure as to what the cross or t means.

Thanks for any help you can give me.
Janice Seiler
Citizens Medical Center
2701 Hospital Drive
Victoria, TX 77901
361-574-1715
jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org

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Re: [HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/19 21:27:19
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

Thanks Andrea--these twins happen to be part of my family tree and were not
listed in any of the records I have found previously.  Now I know why.
These records have been stashed away for quite a number of years at my
current church.  Hopefully by posting them on our county GenWeb page more
folks can find family members to add to their tree.

Janice

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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Andrea Korbanka
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 2:14 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Baptismal records


Hi Janice!
Yes, a cross means gestorben means death date. A little square means
begraben means burial day.
Greatings, Andrea (Korbanka), Heilbronn, Germany


>From: "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
>Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: [HN] Baptismal records
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:01:45 -0500
>
>I am busy transcribing Baptismal records for a Lutheran Church established
>in Goliad County, Texas in 1888.  On the Taufen records I have run across a
>set of twin girls born with the following listing:  geb. 11 July 1898, get.
>17 July 1898 and each also has a listed date preceeded by what looks like a
>cross or a lower case t.  One as 18 July 1898 and the other as 21 July
>1898.
>Would this last date listed be a death date?  I understand the abbreviation
>geb. is for geboren or birth date and the get. is the abbreviation for
>getaufen or baptismal date, but I am unsure as to what the cross or t
>means.
>
>Thanks for any help you can give me.
>Janice Seiler
>Citizens Medical Center
>2701 Hospital Drive
>Victoria, TX 77901
>361-574-1715
>jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org
>
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Re: [HN] HAGEDORN married EHLERS - PETRA

Date: 2006/06/20 00:24:06
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>

   Hi Rena,

   that is great ! Ron tell me this in his mail too !

   I wish you some good luck near the resarch of the Ehlers Familie.

   Some geettings from Germany  for you , send Petra
   ----- original Nachricht --------
   Betreff: [HN] HAGEDORN married EHLERS - PETRA Gesendet: Mo 19 Jun 2006
   13:11:03 CEST Von: "Rena McCarthy"<rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk> > Hallo
   Petra, > Greetings from England. I write to thank you for your help. >
   Ron has now contacted me about the Flachstockheim Ehlers line. We have
   > exchanged information but we are missing a generation link (of
   course). > > Thank you once again I am much obliged. > Rena in England
   > == > Hi rena, > > I thing, Ron dont havent this Information, i have
   send him this Mail. > Sorry, my English is not so good. At time , he
   works in the moments at > ather familie names, this here was a ...we
   said, a happy durch , or > chance. > Thank and some greettings from
   Germany send Petra ! > p.kuske(a)freenet.de > > ----- original Nachricht
   -------- > Betreff: [HN] HAGEDORN married EHLERS Gesendet: Do 25 Mai
   2006 > 13:22:33 CEST Von: "Rena McCarthy" > Petra > and Ron !!! >
   Thank you! thank you! for the information for my > relative. I am also
   excited to find information of Salzgitter! > :-)) Does your friend
   have information of this other EHLERS family > living in
   Flackstöckheim (by Salzgitter ) > > >
   ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing
   list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >
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Re: [HN] Wendt family

Date: 2006/06/20 01:41:46
From: WBL435 <WBL435(a)aol.com>

Hi Barbara,
No, those don't match any of my Wendt ancestors.  I appreciate your  
response.  this has been like looking for a needle in a haystack. The names  of the 
brothers were: Henry, August, Ernest, Gutliep, and Frederick.  The  mother was 
Christina (don't know her maiden name).  She came to America  with August in 
1856.  The others followed later.  Henry (the  oldest) was the last to come to 
America, he came in 1872.  I think he  stayed in Germany until their father 
passed away, we believe in 1872.  The  father was Henry Wendt and never came to 
America, we don't know why.  There  also may have been a daughter who stayed in 
Germany but don't have enough  information to say for sure.  All the 
documents state they came from  Hannover but I believe this was meant to be Kingdom of 
Hannover.  I don't  know for sure the town they might have came from but 
think it might have been  Hamburg.  Think they left from Bremen and arrived in 
Baltimore and from  there went to what is now the northern panhandle of West 
Virginia (Wheeling and  then Cameron).  Any help or suggestions would be very much 
 appreciated.  Again thanks for your reply.
Bill Leichter

Re: [HN] MINDERMANNS IN AMT ACHIM, HANNOVER 1700-1800'S

Date: 2006/06/20 01:47:11
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

I have some Huneke and Bredehoft in my family file on Rootsweb- kaspar01  
database.
 
Have a Nice Day! Jill

I am currently researching the  following  names:
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielew
ski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leimenkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalsk
i,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin
ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin
ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack,  Zynczak,Zinczak
Jill  Leimkuehler











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Re: [HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/20 03:34:06
From: Joseph E Wolfe <joeedwolfe(a)juno.com>

Janice.  sure you will get a lot of answers to this and yes the cross +
is indeed an 

indication as well as: gestorben: died or begraben "buried" in German.

Joe Wolfe

Re: [HN] WG: [AMF-Forschung] Gelehrte 1250 - 1550 (Online-Datenbank)

Date: 2006/06/20 04:05:55
From: bobbidoll <bobbidoll(a)myway.com>

 
Vielen Danke!Bobbi --- On Sun 06/18, Ralf G. Jordan &lt; ahnen(a)rgjordan.de &gt; wrote:From: Ralf G. Jordan [mailto: ahnen(a)rgjordan.de]To: harz-altmark-l(a)genealogy.net, pfalz-l(a)genealogy.net, saarland-l(a)genealogy.net, hannover-l(a)genealogy.net, Ahnensuche-Thueringen(a)yahoogroups.de, Thueringen-L(a)genealogy.netDate: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:58:25 +0200Subject: [HN] WG: [AMF-Forschung] Gelehrte 1250 - 1550 (Online-Datenbank)Hallo, Anbei den Verweis auf eine interessante Datenbank aus einer anderenMailinglist. Viele GrüsseRalf-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----Von: amf-bounces+ahnen=rgjordan.de(a)genealogy.net[mailto:amf-bounces+ahnen=rgjordan.de(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von HartmutKomberGesendet: Sonntag, 18. Juni 2006 17:51An: amf(a)genealogy.netBetreff: [AMF-Forschung] Gelehrte 1250 - 1550 (Online-Datenbank)Hallo,in der DAMALS 6/2006 wird auf das &quot;Repertorium Academicus Germanicum&quot;(www.rag-online.org) hingewiesen. Das Projekt soll schrittweise die etwa35000 graduierten Gelehrten 
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Re: [HN] Wendt family

Date: 2006/06/20 05:55:46
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Bill,

      It seems that Wendt is a fairly common name, but finding the right one
is a real challenge.  If you have not already looked at these sites, you
might look here:

http://meta.genealogy.net/metasuche/index.jsp  Sometimes there is an email
address for someone you could contact.

     There are 236 items there for the name Wendt.

   Also, look here as well:   http://geneanet.org/

   Also, there are Wendts here:  http://www.gencircles.com/

     Your Wendts are here, but I don't think it is any more helpful than
what you already have:
 
 http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/metasearch

     There seems to be several people looking for the same family.  You can
always contact someone there if an email address is given.

Keep looking!
Barbara

    




on 6/19/06 5:41 PM, WBL435(a)aol.com at WBL435(a)aol.com wrote:

> Hi Barbara,
> No, those don't match any of my Wendt ancestors.  I appreciate your
> response.  this has been like looking for a needle in a haystack. The names
> of the 
> brothers were: Henry, August, Ernest, Gutliep, and Frederick.  The  mother was
> Christina (don't know her maiden name).  She came to America  with August in
> 1856.  The others followed later.  Henry (the  oldest) was the last to come to
> America, he came in 1872.  I think he  stayed in Germany until their father
> passed away, we believe in 1872.  The  father was Henry Wendt and never came
> to 
> America, we don't know why.  There  also may have been a daughter who stayed
> in 
> Germany but don't have enough  information to say for sure.  All the
> documents state they came from  Hannover but I believe this was meant to be
> Kingdom of 
> Hannover.  I don't  know for sure the town they might have came from but
> think it might have been  Hamburg.  Think they left from Bremen and arrived in
> Baltimore and from  there went to what is now the northern panhandle of West
> Virginia (Wheeling and  then Cameron).  Any help or suggestions would be very
> much 
> appreciated.  Again thanks for your reply.
> Bill Leichter
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Re: [HN] Wendt family

Date: 2006/06/20 06:38:15
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

While it can't hurt to lay out the basics on what you know to date as you have done here, it begs one chief question: how much homework have you done so far on this side of the pond? Have you tracked down as many records as possible in regards to the siblings you mentioned in your post? In particular, as many of their death records and newspaper obituaries, census returns and cemetery records as possible? The actual counties where these individuals resided will boast the largest collection of helpful records. Any of these might well lead - once the sum of the parts are analyzed and synthesized - to the discovery of distant cousins who might be able to exchange additional information with you here in the States; this beyond the windfall of the particulars you will have gained rounding it all up. Sometimes makes 'bridging the waters' and pinpointing the family place of origin much more feasible.

Why would the father stay behind as you described? A bit odd, unless it was a matter of health -- or a divorce or separation from his spouse. Or perhaps it was preference, or even obstinacy. Not everyone who emigrated - or faced that prospect at any given point - were crazy over the notion of leaving behind forever their ancient, ancestral homes. Desperation with the status quo, or hopes of discovering more promising opportunities abroad, drove most forward, and not necessarily some fuzzy enchantment with the concept of "America the beautiful." If you ever saw Granny clinging to her old rocking chair at the beginning preface (or pilot episode) of the Beverly Hillbillies, you know what I mean [with apologies for those of our German friends trying to follow along here]. She had little interest in heading west, oil or no oil and prospects be damned, and that's just how many Germans felt back then too, whether they shoved off or not. In the end, most were simply were trying to make the best of the hand they had drawn.

As for Hannover city versus the Kingdom of Hannover, keep your money where you have it, as that is a much more common scenario [state versus city], at least until something concrete comes along and proves otherwise. On the other hand, if they were from Hamburg with its world renown port and emigration station, it'd be rather unusual I would think for them to travel clear over to Bremen to seek passage, especially with a bustling port laying right beneath their noses. While anything is possible [and always has been], that would be one more odd twist to add to the collection.

So perhaps you can tell us what records have you gathered to date, and how thorough have you been with your stateside searches.

Jb

From: WBL435(a)aol.com
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Wendt family
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:41:23 EDT

Hi Barbara,
No, those don't match any of my Wendt ancestors.  I appreciate your
response. this has been like looking for a needle in a haystack. The names of the brothers were: Henry, August, Ernest, Gutliep, and Frederick. The mother was Christina (don't know her maiden name). She came to America with August in 1856. The others followed later. Henry (the oldest) was the last to come to
America, he came in 1872.  I think he  stayed in Germany until their father
passed away, we believe in 1872. The father was Henry Wendt and never came to America, we don't know why. There also may have been a daughter who stayed in
Germany but don't have enough  information to say for sure.  All the
documents state they came from Hannover but I believe this was meant to be Kingdom of
Hannover.  I don't  know for sure the town they might have came from but
think it might have been Hamburg. Think they left from Bremen and arrived in Baltimore and from there went to what is now the northern panhandle of West Virginia (Wheeling and then Cameron). Any help or suggestions would be very much
 appreciated.  Again thanks for your reply.

Bill Leichter

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[HN] Gotthard-Garmer aus Gross Lengden

Date: 2006/06/20 12:30:22
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Hallo liebe Familienforscher,
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Ich suche nähere Daten zu: Hans Gotthard * um 1605, + 2-3-1676 in Gross Lengden, Förster auf Niedeck, verh am 13-1-1628 in Gross Lengden mit:
Ottilia Garmer * um 1609, + 6-1-1685 in Gross Lengden
Wer kann helfen? ich frage nach den Geburtsorten, Eltern usw.
das Ehepaar hatte 5 Kinder: Henrich, Anna, Maria Marg. und Valentin.
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis.
Wolf-igmar Mispelhorn

Re: [HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/20 16:25:02
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

Thanks Joe.  I have hit a snag with a few of the church records that were
written in a nice German script.  Do you know anyone I might send a pdf file
of the record that might help with a translation?

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Joseph E Wolfe
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:21 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Baptismal records


Janice.  sure you will get a lot of answers to this and yes the cross +
is indeed an

indication as well as: gestorben: died or begraben "buried" in German.

Joe Wolfe
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Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census

Date: 2006/06/20 16:46:29
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

Thanks so much for the thoughts and list of books.  I'll try my local
library first and see if I have any luck.

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of J b
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:09 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census


As with any larger-than-life historical figure, you would do well to read a
few different accounts to get a fuller (and by extension, less biased)
picture. Much of my reading on the Iron Chancellor reverts from a few years
back I'm afraid, so I can't vouch for each and every edition below (or even
recall precisely which I read necessarily), but suffice to say there is
worthy material to be found within the ones listed. Many of these can be
found at any decent sized library, or per online bookstores like Amazon or
Powells, etc.

The A.J.P Taylor edition I recall as being surprisingly even handed and
thorough, though he can often be a bit of a reactionist in his criticisms of
things overtly German or Germanic (curse his misguided soul). David
Williamson is a lecturer (saw him once in person actually, even challenged
him on a point or two) and former head of History and Politics at Highgate
School. He writes extensively on matters relating to German history. Louis
Snyder was Professor [Emeritus] of History at City University in NYC at one
time. I read Erich Eyck's edition when I was much younger. It is a highly
detailed work and I believe translated from the Dutch, which can sometimes
lead to a bit of fragmentation with certain phrases here and there from the
original. He is something of an Anglophile I recall (something our lovely
Rena will no doubt appreciate). Bismarck's Authentic Biography is on another
dimension altogether, an accounting from last century and heavily adorned
with sketches by noted German artists.

The problem with many historians of course is the biases they can't help but
exhibit (or attempt to disguise). It is hard to be truly objective - even
with concerted effort - for any of us, as it practically betrays our
preconceptions and value systems. This is also true of authors, though many
work hard at giving as fair a hearing as possible to the subject at hand.
Sadly, when it comes to practically any modern historical figure, you will
find many who see only what they want to see - a Machiavellian twist behind
every action, a sardonic or cynical rejoinder to explain every initiative
undertaken or attempted. Looking past the author's description, you often
wonder how these individuals got to be famous at all! Fortunately this is
not true of every scribe who gets published, but one reason why certain
authors of less renown often make for surprisingly good - or at a minimum,
thought engendering - reads, when you can find them (whereas the large
publishing houses often dismiss the unwashed as little more than heretical
revisionists).

As I see it, this often this comes down to how much the chronicler
appreciates men of action or change, the disruptors of the status quo and
terrible simplifiers, as opposed to those of more measured rhetoric and
reason (though both naturally have their place). As we all have seen, when
the two crash head on, sparks tend to fly. And if they should ever come
together in a synthesized package as they occasionally do (and moreover,
should the times in question allow for their entrance upon center stage),
fireworks of a grander nature are almost sure to follow. Such was the case
with Otto von Bismarck. The father and towering figure of the modern German
nation to some, repressor and last representative of the world of the
ancient régimes to others.

Enjoy the read; it will certainly be worth the time invested. Of course
almost anything is, once you look past Hollywood for the more illuminating
story. :-)  Jb


Otto von Bismarck
-----------------------

Bismarck and Germany 1862-1890
by D. G. Williamson
Longman; 2nd edition, 1998

The Blood and Iron Chancellor: A Documentary Biography of Otto Von Bismarck
by Louis L. Snyder
Van Nostrand Company, 1967

Bismarck and the German Empire
by Erich Eyck
W. W. Norton & Company, 1964

Bismarck, the Hohenzollern Candidacy, and the Origins of the Franco-German
War of 1870
by Lawrence D. Steefel
Harvard University Press, 1962

Bismarck: The Man and the Statesman
by A.J.P. Taylor
Vintage Publishing, 1967

Bismarck: His Authentic Biography (1877)
by George Hesekiel; Bayard Taylor
Kessinger Publishing, 2004


>From: "Janice Seiler" <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>
>To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: Re: [HN] GANSBERG + Prussian Draft Census
>Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:19:39 -0500
>
>I have really enjoyed reading these posts with historical content.  Can any
>of you give me a list of suggested readings to learn more?  Thanks in
>advance.
>
>Janice

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Re: [HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/20 20:38:52
From: Albert Emmerich <Emmerich.Albert(a)t-online.de>

Hello Janice,
I will try to help. Please send me the files to Emmerich.Albert(a)t-online.de .
I am German and I think I can manage to translate.

Albert (Emmerich)
of Cremlingen/ Germany


 "Janice Seiler" <mailto:jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> schrieb:
> Thanks Joe.  I have hit a snag with a few of the church records that were
> written in a nice German script.  Do you know anyone I might send a pdf file
> of the record that might help with a translation?
> 
> Janice
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Joseph E Wolfe
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:21 PM
> To: mailto:hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Baptismal records
> 
> 
> Janice.  sure you will get a lot of answers to this and yes the cross +
> is indeed an
> 
> indication as well as: gestorben: died or begraben "buried" in German.
> 
> Joe Wolfe
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Re: [HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/20 21:55:40
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

Try this for understanding the German letters in script.
 
_http://www.genealogienetz.de/gifs/script3.gif_ 
(http://www.genealogienetz.de/gifs/script3.gif)  
 
Have a Nice Day! Jill


I am currently researching the  following  names:
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime
nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalsk
i,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin
ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin
ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack,  Zynczak,Zinczak
Jill  Leimkuehler











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Re: [HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/21 04:58:51
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Magdalena:

That URL is the first time I have seen script on the net. Good show!

The letters look very much like the first choices Edna M. Bentz used in her book "If I Can You Can Decipher Germanic Records".

This URL gives me a chance to point out the fact that what may look like todays English letters are really something else even if the writing is very good.

For examples take a look at the C H and I on the first line, the M N and S on the second line, the U V W and X on the last line. In the lower case the m and n can look like an u, i & r, or s and i.

Gale


On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:55:22 EDT
 MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com wrote:
Try this for understanding the German letters in script.

_http://www.genealogienetz.de/gifs/script3.gif_ (http://www.genealogienetz.de/gifs/script3.gif)
Have a Nice Day! Jill


I am currently researching the  following  names:
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime
nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalsk
i,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin
ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin
ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack,  Zynczak,Zinczak
Jill  Leimkuehler











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[HN] Kornrumpf/ Gotthardt aus Gross Lengden

Date: 2006/06/21 15:20:56
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,
wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Ich suche nähere Daten zu: Anna Maria Kornrumpf * um 1692 wo ?, + 9-11-1758 in Gross Lengden Ihr Ehemann: Johann Andreas Gotthardt * 1-4-1677 verm. in Gross Lengden, + 20-10-1746 wo?
seine Eltern: Henrich Gotthard und Elisabeth NN
Wer kann helfen? ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar.
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn

Re: [HN] Kornrumpf/ Gotthardt aus Gross Lengden

Date: 2006/06/21 15:53:39
From: Michelle Sims <michelle(a)uceit.com>

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Liebe Familienforscher,
wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Ich suche nähere Daten zu: Anna Maria Kornrumpf * um 1692 wo ?, +
9-11-1758 in Gross Lengden
Ihr Ehemann: Johann Andreas Gotthardt * 1-4-1677 verm. in Gross Lengden,
+ 20-10-1746  wo?
seine Eltern: Henrich Gotthard und Elisabeth NN
Wer kann helfen? ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar.
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Re: [HN] Wendland / Kirchspiele Trebel, Gorleben, Dannenberg

Date: 2006/06/21 21:40:52
From: Shaun Worthmann <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>

Hello Reinhard Worthmann

My name is Shaun Worthmann, do you have any family history on the Worthmann's that I may attempt to cross reference to mine?

Regards
Shaun (South Africa)



----- Original Message ----- From: "Reinhard Worthmann" <reinhard.worthmann(a)t-online.de>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: [HN] Wendland / Kirchspiele Trebel, Gorleben, Dannenberg


Hallo Liste,

sucht, forscht jemand in den Kirchspielen Trebel und
Gorleben im Wendland und kann mir helfen?

Hoppe aus Nemitz
Girialke, Jeriakes u.ä. aus Nemitz
Peters aus Nemitz
Stegemann aus Tobringen
Schumacher aus Grippel
Schaefke, Schäfeke u.ä. aus Gedelitz
Leip aus Lomitz
Schulze aus Marleben
Steffens aus Prezelle
Brockmann aus Grippel
Röschen aus Lentzer Wische
Krüger aus Dannenberg
Jahncke, Nebuhr, Pliesch, Beussel, Wolters


Mit besten Grüßen
Reinhard Worthmann
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[HN] Worthmann,Wortmann

Date: 2006/06/21 21:52:05
From: Shaun Worthmann <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>

Hello

I have to date found the following Worthmann family members, does anyone have any links or referals to them?

My Greatgrandfather: Johann Friedrich Christoph Worthmann Born 8 Dec 1875 died 25 jul 1947, in Haxloh near Fintel. Married Friedricke Magdalene Dorethea Dehrmann

his parents were:
Johann Christopher Worthmann 01 Sep 1824 to 18 Feb 1880
married Margarethe Ilse Gevers

his parents were:

Hausling Johann Worthmann
married
Catharina Margarethe Heins

Thanks
Shaun Worthmann

[HN] Family from Germany

Date: 2006/06/22 00:31:47
From: Tony Nehrkorn <anehrkorn1(a)wi.rr.com>

	My name is Anthony Nehrkorn from Milwaukee, Wisconsin ,USA. My
gr-gr-great grandfather  we believe was born on january 22,1819 in
Grunenplan, Braunschweig, Germany. His name was Carl August Christian
Plesner Nehrkorn. He possibly also could be  August Nehrkorn , born in 1819
in Weinigrade, Sachsen, Pressen. My gr-gr-great grandfather left for Denmark
in 1850's, so, he could have possibly been married before leaving for
Denmark. He married in 1858 to Christine Nymann in Denmark ( my gr-gr-great
grandmother ). My question is when Carl August Christian married in Denmark
, he used a different last name, On his marriage in Denmark , his last name
was Glosener , instead of Nehrkorn ? Does that mean , he was married once
before in Germany? Is Glosener , his mother's maiden name ? Another
interesting  note : According to Lutheran records  of grunenplan, also
Johanne Wilhelmine Henriette Nehrkorn was accussed of child-slaying in
1824-1834. She left Braunschweig for USA in 1856, where my gr-gr-great
grandfather went to Denmark about same time. I am trying to find out who
Carl's parents were ? Is  "Plesner" his mother or father's surname ? Any
websites or how associated name' s like "August " or "Christian" could help
!   thanks Anehrkorn   


[HN] Burman-Vetten aus Diemarden

Date: 2006/06/22 15:08:19
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,
wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Ich suche nähere Daten zu:
Hanss Burman * um 1630 verh. mit:
Orthia Vetten * um 1635, + 30-3-1666 in Diemarden
Sohn: Hanss Heinrich Burman * 1-8-1661 in Diemarden,+ 27-7-1718 in Diemarden.
Wer kann helfen, wer sind die Eltern?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis.
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn

Re: [HN] Wendland / Kirchspiele Trebel, Gorleben, Dannenberg

Date: 2006/06/22 17:54:08
From: Reinhard Worthmann <reinhard.worthmann(a)t-online.de>

Hi Shaun,

we have had contact about a few years ago. I remember
of macademias! No, there is no relationship between our
families.

Yours
Reinhard


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shaun Worthmann" <immergrun(a)xsinet.co.za>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Wendland / Kirchspiele Trebel, Gorleben, Dannenberg


Hello Reinhard Worthmann

My name is Shaun Worthmann, do you have any family history on the
Worthmann's that I may attempt to cross reference to mine?

Regards
Shaun (South Africa)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reinhard Worthmann" <reinhard.worthmann(a)t-online.de>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: [HN] Wendland / Kirchspiele Trebel, Gorleben, Dannenberg


Hallo Liste,

sucht, forscht jemand in den Kirchspielen Trebel und
Gorleben im Wendland und kann mir helfen?

Hoppe aus Nemitz
Girialke, Jeriakes u.ä. aus Nemitz
Peters aus Nemitz
Stegemann aus Tobringen
Schumacher aus Grippel
Schaefke, Schäfeke u.ä. aus Gedelitz
Leip aus Lomitz
Schulze aus Marleben
Steffens aus Prezelle
Brockmann aus Grippel
Röschen aus Lentzer Wische
Krüger aus Dannenberg
Jahncke, Nebuhr, Pliesch, Beussel, Wolters


Mit besten Grüßen
Reinhard Worthmann
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[HN] Research Meier/Kasten in Lochtum

Date: 2006/06/23 06:05:23
From: Kay Gassan <wiseowl2(a)optusnet.com.au>

Could someone please help me with these lines?
My great grandmother Johanne Caroline Meier born 24 Dec 1849 Lochtum,
Hannover, was the illegitimate daughter of Johanne Sophie Meyer/Meier born 6
Mar 1827 Lochtum, Hannover.
Her parents were Johann Ernst Heinrich Meier Born 17 Jul 1796, Lochtum,
Hannover died 19 October 1854 Lochtum. He married Marie Christine Caroline
KASTEN born 1796 Lochtum died 12 May 1850 Lochtum.
Johann Meier's parents were Andreas Meyer born 1760 and died 12 Jul 1811
Lochtum who married Dorothea Walther born 4 Jan 1763 Lochtum and died 21
April 1823 Lochtum. Her father's name was Henrich Nicolaus WALTHER.
The parents of Marie Christine KASTEN the wife of Johann Meier were
Franz Henrich KASTEN  and Maria Catharina BRANDES born 16 Apr 1772 Lochtum
and died 19 May 1810 Lochtum.
Maria Catharina Brandes parents were Heinrich BRANDES and Maria Magdelena
SCHULZ.

Can anyone help with any relatives back from these lines or other siblings?
Kay Gassan


[HN] EHLERS / PROBST / BOCK

Date: 2006/06/24 11:26:56
From: chad ehlers <ehlerscm74(a)yahoo.com>

Seeking Ehlers ,Probst, Bock, info from Schoeningen area.Here are ancestors i have found so fare.Carl Heinrich Wilhelm Ehlers b.11/20/1848 Schoeningen d.1935 Sioux city IA USA .         Melucine Fredrike Auguste Ehlers b.11/30/1850 Schoeningen.   William Ehlers b.8/23/1860 d.1936 Sioux city IA          Parents were Franz Georg Ehlers b.3/5/1817 Schoenigen d.1/17/1888 in Schoningen         Wife Johanne Sophie Wilhelmine Boch b.3/28/1824 in Schoeningen d.1907           Brother and sister Heinrich Friedrich Adolph b.9/9/1818 Schoeningen . Wilhelmine Caroline b.11/26/1820    Parents were ''Herr''Johann Friedrich Ehlers [Husaren-Wachtmeister] in Schoeningen b. not in Schoeningen Wife was Marie Charlotte Probst b.12/27/1783 Schoeningen THANKS EVERYBODY , CHAD EHLERS  ehlerscm74(a)yahoo.com

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[HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck

Date: 2006/06/24 20:45:46
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

   insbesonder Schäfer als Beruf, nur vor 1850

   Gebe gern Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank.

   In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts
   Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
   Universitätsstadt Göttingen
   Reinhard J. Freytag

[HN] Suche alle MUMME im Raum HOLZMINDEN-EINBECK-HAMELN

Date: 2006/06/24 20:48:37
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

   vor 1850

   Gebe gern Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank.
   -
   In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts
   Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
   Universitätsstadt Göttingen
   Reinhard J. Freytag

[HN] Suche alle SCHÜNEMANN im Raum Holzminden

Date: 2006/06/24 20:50:33
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

   vor 1750

   Gebe gern Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank.
   --
   In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts
   Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
   Universitätsstadt Göttingen
   Reinhard J. Freytag

Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck

Date: 2006/06/24 21:37:36
From: Karsten Fahrenkohl <ar0908874286(a)arcor.de>

Hallo!
Dann schau doch mal ob du Fahrenkohl, Vahrenkohl, fahrenkol, Pfaff oder Ramspott irgendwo mit drin hast. Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Ramspott und ihre Mutter eine geborene Pfaff aus dem Raum Holzminden.
Gruß
Karsten Fahrenkohl
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck



  insbesonder Schäfer als Beruf, nur vor 1850

  Gebe gern Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank.

  In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts
  Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
  Universitätsstadt Göttingen
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Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck

Date: 2006/06/24 21:43:24
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>

Hallo Reinhard,


In diesem Zusammenhang möchte ich auf Inschriften in diesen Städten
verweisen

 Die Inschriften der Stadt Minden. Gesammelt und bearbeitet von Sabine
Wehking (Die Deutschen Inschriften 46 = Düsseldorfer Reihe 3)
usw. unter
http://www.mgh.de/da/rezensionen/band56.1/0131.html


ich habe zu den von Dir genannten Orten:
 Einbeck
v.d.Leine vor 1420
v.Einem 1437-1516
v.Hardenberg vor 1450
Kettler um 1550
Kleineberg um 1500
Raven 1400-1600

 Hameln
Adam um 1743
Aubanel vor 1710
Bock 1634
Brüggemann um 1660
Greve 1622-1989
Hartmann um 1687
Kotensen um 1627
Kroseberg 1634-1651
Lembke um 1640
Matthias 1628-1667
Meyer 1687
Pourriol 1721
Rentorf 1627-1710

In Minden suchst Du nicht zufällig die Familie BULLE?

Viele Grüße

Klaus (Riecken)
www.Riecken-online.de


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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck



   insbesonder Schäfer als Beruf, nur vor 1850

   Gebe gern Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank.

   In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts
   Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
   Universitätsstadt Göttingen
   Reinhard J. Freytag
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[HN] Die Deutschen Inschriften Internetquelle fü r ein Verzeichnis

Date: 2006/06/24 21:56:25
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>

 
Die Deutschen Inschriften
http://www.phil.uni-passau.de/histhw/die_deutschen_inschriften.htm

z.B.:
 Christine Wulf: Die Inschriften der Stadt Hameln, Wiesbaden 1989 (Die Deutschen Inschriften 28, Göttinger Reihe 4) 

Die vorhandene Liste müßte schon fortgesetzt sein.
Gruß

Klaus (Riecken)
www.Riecken-online.de

Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck

Date: 2006/06/24 22:03:26
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

...vielleicht kanns Du das etwas spezifizieren.
Vornamen, Ortsnamen,Jahreszahlen.
 ))) Es ist immer schwierig Schmidt aus Deutschlabnd zu
suchen)))


In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:37:32 +0200
> Subject: Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden
Hameln
> Einbeck
> From: "Karsten Fahrenkohl" 
> To: "Hannover-L" 

> Hallo!
> Dann schau doch mal ob du Fahrenkohl, Vahrenkohl,
fahrenkol, Pfaff
> oder Ramspott irgendwo mit drin hast.
> Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Ramspott und ihre
Mutter eine
> geborene Pfaff aus dem Raum Holzminden.
> Gruß
> Karsten Fahrenkohl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reinhard Freytag" 
> To: ; "FAMNORD-Liste"
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:45 PM
> Subject: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden
Hameln Einbeck 
> 
> 
> insbesonder Schäfer als Beruf, nur vor 1850
> 
> Gebe gern Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank.
> 
> In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts
> Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
> Universitätsstadt Göttingen
> Reinhard J. Freytag
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Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck

Date: 2006/06/24 22:05:58
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Übver einen Teil der Namen hatten wir uns ja schon
ausgetauscht (Einbeck Raven etc) , sonst leider Fehlanzeige.
Ich bin aber auf der Huht.
- 
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vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:43:34 +0200
> Subject: Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden
Hameln
> Einbeck
> From: "Klaus Riecken" 
> To: "Hannover-L" 

> Hallo Reinhard,
> 
> 
> In diesem Zusammenhang möchte ich auf Inschriften in
diesen Städten
> verweisen
> 
> Die Inschriften der Stadt Minden. Gesammelt und bearbeitet
von Sabine
> Wehking (Die Deutschen Inschriften 46 = Düsseldorfer Reihe
3)
> usw. unter
> http://www.mgh.de/da/rezensionen/band56.1/0131.html
> 
> 
> ich habe zu den von Dir genannten Orten:
> Einbeck
> v.d.Leine vor 1420
> v.Einem 1437-1516
> v.Hardenberg vor 1450
> Kettler um 1550
> Kleineberg um 1500
> Raven 1400-1600
> 
> Hameln
> Adam um 1743
> Aubanel vor 1710
> Bock 1634
> Brüggemann um 1660
> Greve 1622-1989
> Hartmann um 1687
> Kotensen um 1627
> Kroseberg 1634-1651
> Lembke um 1640
> Matthias 1628-1667
> Meyer 1687
> Pourriol 1721
> Rentorf 1627-1710
> 
> In Minden suchst Du nicht zufällig die Familie BULLE?
> 
> Viele Grüße
> 
> Klaus (Riecken)
> www.Riecken-online.de
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reinhard Freytag" 
> To: ; "FAMNORD-Liste"
> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:45 PM
> Subject: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden
Hameln Einbeck 
> 
> 
> insbesonder Schäfer als Beruf, nur vor 1850
> 
> Gebe gern Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank.
> 
> In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts
> Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
> Universitätsstadt Göttingen
> Reinhard J. Freytag
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> 
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Re: [HN] Suche alle SCHÜNEMANN im Raum Holzminden

Date: 2006/06/25 01:03:37
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>

   Hi. ich habe hier was in dem Garnisionskirchenbuch von Hannover
   gefunden, aber mager.

   Ansonsten gibt es auch Schünemann s in der Kopfsteuerbeschreibung von
   1689.

   Könnte dir das helfen ?

   In meinen privaten Unterlagen konnte ich nichts über Schünemann
   finden.

   Du könntest bei dir mal schauen ob du die namen  Kollmann, Horre
   (eigentlich mit Strich über dem e), und Schwekendieck  in deinen
   Listen findest.

   Liebe Grüße sendt dir Petra
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   Betreff: [HN] Suche alle SCHÜNEMANN im Raum Holzminden Gesendet: Sa 24
   Jun 2006 20:59:06 CEST Von: "Reinhard
   Freytag"<Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> > > vor 1750 > > Gebe gern
   Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank. > -- > In der Genealogie ist ein
   Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts > Schöne Grüsse aus unserer >
   Universitätsstadt Göttingen > Reinhard J. Freytag >
   ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing
   list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >
   http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
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[HN] SCHWEKENDIEK und Kollmann

Date: 2006/06/25 11:20:27
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Schw. heiratet 1725 in Baarsen
Kollmann heiratet 1738 in Waake Krs. Göttingen



-- 
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vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:03:29 +0200
> Subject: Re: [HN] Suche alle SCHÜNEMANN im Raum Holzminden
> From: p.kuske(a)freenet.de
> To: "Hannover-L" 

> 
> Hi. ich habe hier was in dem Garnisionskirchenbuch von
Hannover
> gefunden, aber mager.
> 
> Ansonsten gibt es auch Schünemann s in der
Kopfsteuerbeschreibung von
> 1689.
> 
> Könnte dir das helfen ?
> 
> In meinen privaten Unterlagen konnte ich nichts über
Schünemann
> finden.
> 
> Du könntest bei dir mal schauen ob du die namen  Kollmann,
Horre
> (eigentlich mit Strich über dem e), und Schwekendieck  in
deinen
> Listen findest.
> 
> Liebe Grüße sendt dir Petra
> ----- original Nachricht --------
> Betreff: [HN] Suche alle SCHÜNEMANN im Raum Holzminden
Gesendet: Sa 24
> Jun 2006 20:59:06 CEST Von: "Reinhard
> Freytag" > > vor 1750 > > Gebe gern
> Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank. > -- > In der Genealogie
ist ein
> Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts > Schöne Grüsse aus
unserer >
> Universitätsstadt Göttingen > Reinhard J. Freytag >
> ______________________________________________ > >
Hannover-L mailing
> list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
> --- original Nachricht Ende ----
> --
>
[1][site=fn&prod=chetools&kat=rub&tbl=webmail&ppos=14&TransactionID=11
> 5119020938807&rgtg=256]
> 
> Verweise
> 
> 1.
>
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[HN] Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln

Date: 2006/06/25 11:36:12
From: Harry Harfst <harfst.hamburg(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Klaus,

ich habe nachfolgende Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln. Passen meine Meyer zu
Deinen Meyer?

Meine Daten:
Johann Christian MEYER
GEBURT: * ??.04.1730, Hajen bei Hameln
Vater: Friedrich Meyer, Kätner zu Hajen
Mutter: ???
KLEINKINDTAUFE: ~ 07.04.1730, Hajen, Register Nr.: 1730 Nr.: 5
EHESCHLIESSUNG: oo 21.10.1762, St. Blasius zu Braunschweig, Register Nr.:
1762 Aufgeboten am 18. u. 19. n. Trinitatis 1762, St. Catharinen zu
Braunschweig. Die Wilhelmina Catharina Bode.
TOD: + 25.09.1798, Gandersheim

Vielen Dank für Deine Mühe.

Gruß aus dem sommerlichen Hamburg

Harry (Harfst)


> ich habe zu den von Dir genannten Orten:
>  Einbeck
> v.d.Leine vor 1420
> v.Einem 1437-1516
> v.Hardenberg vor 1450
> Kettler um 1550
> Kleineberg um 1500
> Raven 1400-1600
> 
>  Hameln
> Adam um 1743
> Aubanel vor 1710
> Bock 1634
> Brüggemann um 1660
> Greve 1622-1989
> Hartmann um 1687
> Kotensen um 1627
> Kroseberg 1634-1651
> Lembke um 1640
> Matthias 1628-1667
> Meyer 1687
> Pourriol 1721
> Rentorf 1627-1710
> 
> In Minden suchst Du nicht zufällig die Familie BULLE?
> 
> Viele Grüße
> 
> Klaus (Riecken)
> www.Riecken-online.de


Re: [HN] Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln

Date: 2006/06/25 11:51:06
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>

Hallo Harry,

nein, ich sehen keinen Zusammenhang

Ich wünsche noch einen schönen Sonntag

Gruß
Klaus
www.Riecken-online.de


Meyer



131 Margarete Magdalena Meyer, get. 4.9.1688 Hameln (Q 6), oo Hameln
26.11.1709 (Q 6) J. Jobst Rentorff



262  Jobst Meyer, Weinschenk in Hameln, legte 1687 Bürgereid ab, 1687 Diener
in der Weinschänke, (Q 6)

oo 18.9.1687 in Hameln (Q 6) Anna Margarete Hartmann,



lt. "Kopfsteuerbeschreibung 1689":

Weinschänke, Jobst Meyer ist Diener (27 J.; 1 Th.) oo Anna Margret. Hartmann
(24J.; 12 Gr.). Tochter Anna Magdalena (1 J.), Magd Dorothea Clages (15 J.;
12 Gr.). (Q. 30),



In Hameln entstand ein Konflikt zwischen Magistrat und Regierung. Es ging um
eine Konzessionierung eines fran­zösischen Weinschanks. Dabei wurde
deutlich, daß der Rat der Stadt eine "Separation" des Weinkellers fürchtete
und den bisherigen Pächter, Jobst Meyer, darin bestärkte, auch dann die
Konzessionierung eines französischen Afterpächter abzulehnen, wenn dieser
ausschließlich französischen Wein an Franzosen verkaufen sollte.(Q 69 S.
131-132)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Harfst" <harfst.hamburg(a)freenet.de>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: [HN] Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln


Hallo Klaus,

ich habe nachfolgende Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln. Passen meine Meyer zu
Deinen Meyer?

Meine Daten:
Johann Christian MEYER
GEBURT: * ??.04.1730, Hajen bei Hameln
Vater: Friedrich Meyer, Kätner zu Hajen
Mutter: ???
KLEINKINDTAUFE: ~ 07.04.1730, Hajen, Register Nr.: 1730 Nr.: 5
EHESCHLIESSUNG: oo 21.10.1762, St. Blasius zu Braunschweig, Register Nr.:
1762 Aufgeboten am 18. u. 19. n. Trinitatis 1762, St. Catharinen zu
Braunschweig. Die Wilhelmina Catharina Bode.
TOD: + 25.09.1798, Gandersheim

Vielen Dank für Deine Mühe.

Gruß aus dem sommerlichen Hamburg

Harry (Harfst)


> ich habe zu den von Dir genannten Orten:
>  Einbeck
> v.d.Leine vor 1420
> v.Einem 1437-1516
> v.Hardenberg vor 1450
> Kettler um 1550
> Kleineberg um 1500
> Raven 1400-1600
>
>  Hameln
> Adam um 1743
> Aubanel vor 1710
> Bock 1634
> Brüggemann um 1660
> Greve 1622-1989
> Hartmann um 1687
> Kotensen um 1627
> Kroseberg 1634-1651
> Lembke um 1640
> Matthias 1628-1667
> Meyer 1687
> Pourriol 1721
> Rentorf 1627-1710
>
> In Minden suchst Du nicht zufällig die Familie BULLE?
>
> Viele Grüße
>
> Klaus (Riecken)
> www.Riecken-online.de

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Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck

Date: 2006/06/25 16:07:17
From: Karsten Fahrenkohl <ar0908874286(a)arcor.de>

Hallo!
So ab und zu muß ich auch mal arbeiten, darum jetzt erst eine Antwort.
Pfaff und Ramspott um 1890 +/- 20 Jahre- meien Urgroßmutter war eine geborene Pfaff, kam aus der Gegend. Ich weiß das meine Oma Kousinen in Bodenwerder, Holzminden, Grünenplan und Höxter hatte. Ein Onkel soll Förster in Silberborn gewesen sein. Die (V)Fahrenkohls waren von etwa 1760 bis 1850 in der Gegend, Nachweise habe ich aus Lauenstein, Capellenhagen und der gesamten gegend um den Ith. Vielleicht gibt es aber nach Holzminden auch Hinweise.
Gruß
Karsten Fahrenkohl
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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden Hameln Einbeck



...vielleicht kanns Du das etwas spezifizieren.
Vornamen, Ortsnamen,Jahreszahlen.
))) Es ist immer schwierig Schmidt aus Deutschlabnd zu
suchen)))


In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:37:32 +0200
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden
Hameln
Einbeck
From: "Karsten Fahrenkohl"
To: "Hannover-L"

Hallo!
Dann schau doch mal ob du Fahrenkohl, Vahrenkohl,
fahrenkol, Pfaff
oder Ramspott irgendwo mit drin hast.
Meine Großmutter war eine geborene Ramspott und ihre
Mutter eine
geborene Pfaff aus dem Raum Holzminden.
Gruß
Karsten Fahrenkohl
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To: ; "FAMNORD-Liste"
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: [HN] Suche alle Hansmann im Raum Holzminden
Hameln Einbeck


insbesonder Schäfer als Beruf, nur vor 1850

Gebe gern Auskunft aus meiner Datenbank.

In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts
Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
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[HN] Gerelss/Schgachtebeck aus Diemarden

Date: 2006/06/25 21:00:24
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,
wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Ich suche nähere Angaben zu: Hanss Gerelss, * um 1630, * 23-08-1680in Diemarden, verh mit Orthia Schachtebeck, * um 1635, , Kinder: Agnesa Gerelss * 8-9-1660 in Diemarden, Hanss Henrich Gerelss *8-5-1670 in Diemarden.
Wer kann helfen, ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis.
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn

[HN] QUENTIN Thüdinghausen/Göttingen

Date: 2006/06/25 23:27:29
From: Corinna Tomforde <corinna.tomforde(a)web.de>

Guten Abend Listenmitglieder,

ich benötige Eure Hilfe. Ich bin auf der Suche nach einer Verbindung von "meinem" Ahn
Georg Wilhelm Quentin (*ca 1760 oo 26.12.1783 in Thüdinghausen mit Maria Catharina Ahrens aus Wolbrechtshausen)
zum Göttinger Quentin Geschlecht aus dem Deutschen Geschlechterbuch.

Es muß eine Verbindung geben, da ich einen Brief besitze, wo die Tochter Sophie Henriette Luise das Weißnähen
bei ihrer Tante in Göttingen gelernt hat. (Natürlich die Tante ohne Namen)

Folgendes habe ich schon Unternommen: Ich war in Hardegsen und habe dort die Kirchenbücher eingesehen,
weil im DGB ein Johann Wilhelm Quentin (~13.12.1711 in Göttingen) Landwirt in Hardegsen erwähnt wird und ich vermute, daß Georg
Wilhelm sein Sohn sein könnte (der Großvater hätte dann auch den gleichen Namen). Leider konnte ich keinen Eintrag finden.
An den Pastor von Thüdinghausen habe ich geschrieben (da er, als ich vor Ort war, im Urlaub war), aber er antwortete mir, daß
zur Zeit keinerlei Auskünfte möglich seien, da der Archivar verstorben sei. Ich hätte gern gewußt, ob beim Traueintrag ein Hinweis auf die
Eltern steht. Nun habe ich eine neue Vermutung, daß mein Ahn eventuell in Göttingen geboren/getauft wurde, da der bekannte Sohn von
Johann Wilhelm, nämlich Christoph Ludwig, obwohl seine Eltern schon zur Zeit der Geburt in Hardegsen lebten, in Göttingen getauft wurde.

Wer hat die Möglichkeit mir beim Lösen dieses Rätsels zu helfen?

Viele Grüße aus dem gewittrigen Hamburg

Corinna (Tomforde)



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Re: [HN] Question

Date: 2006/06/26 07:26:05
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Stu,

      There are 3 Beckedorfs in Germany - do you know which one it would be?

Barbara



on 6/17/06 9:13 PM, StuHerrmannCPA(a)aol.com at StuHerrmannCPA(a)aol.com wrote:

> 
> Hello.
> 
> My name is Stuart Herrmann and I have family from Beckedorf and the
> surrounding areas. IS this the place for such inquiries?
> 
> Is there a Municipal source of information going back to the mid  1930's?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 31, Eintrag 34

Date: 2006/06/26 07:37:28
From: Donn E. Bohde <bohdega(a)wideopenwest.com>

I have both Meyer and Bode surnames in my line and both are from Hajen,
south of Hameln.

Blessings!
Donn

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:38:03 +0200
From: "Harry Harfst" <harfst.hamburg(a)freenet.de>
Subject: [HN] Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Message-ID: <000101c6983b$11130770$14b2a8c0(a)HarryDG>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Hallo Klaus,

ich habe nachfolgende Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln. Passen meine Meyer zu
Deinen Meyer?

Meine Daten:
Johann Christian MEYER
GEBURT: * ??.04.1730, Hajen bei Hameln
Vater: Friedrich Meyer, Kätner zu Hajen
Mutter: ???
KLEINKINDTAUFE: ~ 07.04.1730, Hajen, Register Nr.: 1730 Nr.: 5
EHESCHLIESSUNG: oo 21.10.1762, St. Blasius zu Braunschweig, Register Nr.:
1762 Aufgeboten am 18. u. 19. n. Trinitatis 1762, St. Catharinen zu
Braunschweig. Die Wilhelmina Catharina Bode.
TOD: + 25.09.1798, Gandersheim

Vielen Dank für Deine Mühe.

Gruß aus dem sommerlichen Hamburg

Harry (Harfst)


> ich habe zu den von Dir genannten Orten:
>  Einbeck
> v.d.Leine vor 1420
> v.Einem 1437-1516
> v.Hardenberg vor 1450
> Kettler um 1550
> Kleineberg um 1500
> Raven 1400-1600
> 
>  Hameln
> Adam um 1743
> Aubanel vor 1710
> Bock 1634
> Brüggemann um 1660
> Greve 1622-1989
> Hartmann um 1687
> Kotensen um 1627
> Kroseberg 1634-1651
> Lembke um 1640
> Matthias 1628-1667
> Meyer 1687
> Pourriol 1721
> Rentorf 1627-1710
> 
> In Minden suchst Du nicht zufällig die Familie BULLE?
> 
> Viele Grüße
> 
> Klaus (Riecken)
> www.Riecken-online.de



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:51:18 +0200
From: "Klaus Riecken" <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Message-ID: <000d01c6983c$e89338e0$0100a8c0(a)pc1>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Hallo Harry,

nein, ich sehen keinen Zusammenhang

Ich wünsche noch einen schönen Sonntag

Gruß
Klaus
www.Riecken-online.de


Meyer



131 Margarete Magdalena Meyer, get. 4.9.1688 Hameln (Q 6), oo Hameln
26.11.1709 (Q 6) J. Jobst Rentorff



262  Jobst Meyer, Weinschenk in Hameln, legte 1687 Bürgereid ab, 1687 Diener
in der Weinschänke, (Q 6)

oo 18.9.1687 in Hameln (Q 6) Anna Margarete Hartmann,



lt. "Kopfsteuerbeschreibung 1689":

Weinschänke, Jobst Meyer ist Diener (27 J.; 1 Th.) oo Anna Margret. Hartmann
(24J.; 12 Gr.). Tochter Anna Magdalena (1 J.), Magd Dorothea Clages (15 J.;
12 Gr.). (Q. 30),



In Hameln entstand ein Konflikt zwischen Magistrat und Regierung. Es ging um
eine Konzessionierung eines fran­zösischen Weinschanks. Dabei wurde
deutlich, daß der Rat der Stadt eine "Separation" des Weinkellers fürchtete
und den bisherigen Pächter, Jobst Meyer, darin bestärkte, auch dann die
Konzessionierung eines französischen Afterpächter abzulehnen, wenn dieser
ausschließlich französischen Wein an Franzosen verkaufen sollte.(Q 69 S.
131-132)

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To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:38 AM
Subject: [HN] Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln


Hallo Klaus,

ich habe nachfolgende Meyer aus Hajen bei Hameln. Passen meine Meyer zu
Deinen Meyer?

Meine Daten:
Johann Christian MEYER
GEBURT: * ??.04.1730, Hajen bei Hameln
Vater: Friedrich Meyer, Kätner zu Hajen
Mutter: ???
KLEINKINDTAUFE: ~ 07.04.1730, Hajen, Register Nr.: 1730 Nr.: 5
EHESCHLIESSUNG: oo 21.10.1762, St. Blasius zu Braunschweig, Register Nr.:
1762 Aufgeboten am 18. u. 19. n. Trinitatis 1762, St. Catharinen zu
Braunschweig. Die Wilhelmina Catharina Bode.
TOD: + 25.09.1798, Gandersheim

Vielen Dank für Deine Mühe.

Gruß aus dem sommerlichen Hamburg

Harry (Harfst)


> ich habe zu den von Dir genannten Orten:
>  Einbeck
> v.d.Leine vor 1420
> v.Einem 1437-1516
> v.Hardenberg vor 1450
> Kettler um 1550
> Kleineberg um 1500
> Raven 1400-1600
>
>  Hameln
> Adam um 1743
> Aubanel vor 1710
> Bock 1634
> Brüggemann um 1660
> Greve 1622-1989
> Hartmann um 1687
> Kotensen um 1627
> Kroseberg 1634-1651
> Lembke um 1640
> Matthias 1628-1667
> Meyer 1687
> Pourriol 1721
> Rentorf 1627-1710
>
> In Minden suchst Du nicht zufällig die Familie BULLE?
>
> Viele Grüße
>
> Klaus (Riecken)
> www.Riecken-online.de

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Re: [HN] QUENTIN Thüdinghausen/Göttingen

Date: 2006/06/26 07:53:54
From: Susanne Brunthaler <Susi.Brunthaler(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Corinna, ich habe eine Familie Quentin in Varlosen. Vielleicht hilfts
weiter. Viele Grüße Susanne (Brunthaler) 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Corinna Tomforde
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juni 2006 23:27
An: FamNord; HN-L; HESSEN-L
Betreff: [HN] QUENTIN Thüdinghausen/Göttingen

Guten Abend Listenmitglieder,

ich benötige Eure Hilfe. Ich bin auf der Suche nach einer Verbindung von
"meinem" Ahn Georg Wilhelm Quentin (*ca 1760 oo 26.12.1783 in Thüdinghausen
mit Maria Catharina Ahrens aus Wolbrechtshausen) zum Göttinger Quentin
Geschlecht aus dem Deutschen Geschlechterbuch.

Es muß eine Verbindung geben, da ich einen Brief besitze, wo die Tochter
Sophie Henriette Luise das Weißnähen bei ihrer Tante in Göttingen gelernt
hat. (Natürlich die Tante ohne Namen)

Folgendes habe ich schon Unternommen: Ich war in Hardegsen und habe dort die
Kirchenbücher eingesehen, weil im DGB ein Johann Wilhelm Quentin
(~13.12.1711 in Göttingen) Landwirt in Hardegsen erwähnt wird und ich
vermute, daß Georg Wilhelm sein Sohn sein könnte (der Großvater hätte dann
auch den gleichen Namen). Leider konnte ich keinen Eintrag finden.
An den Pastor von Thüdinghausen habe ich geschrieben (da er, als ich vor Ort
war, im Urlaub war), aber er antwortete mir, daß zur Zeit keinerlei
Auskünfte möglich seien, da der Archivar verstorben sei. Ich hätte gern
gewußt, ob beim Traueintrag ein Hinweis auf die Eltern steht. Nun habe ich
eine neue Vermutung, daß mein Ahn eventuell in Göttingen geboren/getauft
wurde, da der bekannte Sohn von Johann Wilhelm, nämlich Christoph Ludwig,
obwohl seine Eltern schon zur Zeit der Geburt in Hardegsen lebten, in
Göttingen getauft wurde.

Wer hat die Möglichkeit mir beim Lösen dieses Rätsels zu helfen?

Viele Grüße aus dem gewittrigen Hamburg

Corinna (Tomforde)



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Re: [HN] Schachtebeck aus Diemarden

Date: 2006/06/26 12:15:54
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn" <wimisp(a)online.de> schrieb:
> Liebe Familienforscher,
> wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
> Ich suche nähere Angaben zu: Hanss Gerelss, * um 1630, * 23-08-1680in 
> Diemarden, verh mit
> Orthia Schachtebeck, * um 1635, , Kinder: Agnesa Gerelss * 8-9-1660 in 
> Diemarden, Hanss Henrich Gerelss *8-5-1670 in Diemarden.
> Wer kann helfen, ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis.
> Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn


Hallo Herr Mispelhorn,

Ich habe zwar keinen Gereiss, aber einen Cord SCHACHTEBECK aus Diemarden, der 1494 in Göttingen das Bürgerrecht erwarb. Ob es da eine Verbindung gibt?

Freundliche Grüße,
Wilfried Petersen


[HN] Kortterey-Herolds aus Diemarden

Date: 2006/06/26 13:47:35
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,
wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Mir fehlen nähere Daten zu: Hanss Kortterey * um 1660, verh mit
Margarethe Catharina Herolds * 29-7-1667 in Diemarden, Eltern: Hanss Herolds und Maria Nortmann, Töchter: Eva Margarethe Kortrey und Liesabeth Kortterey
Wer kann helfen? ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar.
Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn

[HN] Väter in Hannover

Date: 2006/06/26 14:31:44
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Frauen/Herren,

Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von:
- Arend Ritterbusch *zirka 1640 in Hannover

Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von:
- Simon Friedrich Adolph Ridderbusch *zirka 1780 in Hannover

Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von:
- Justine Ritterbusch *zirka 1780 in Hannover

Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von:
- Friedrich Christian Ritterbusch *zirka 1810 in Hannover

Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von:
- Johanne Louise Wilhelmine Karoline Ritterbusch *zirka 1840 in Hannover

Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von:
- Luise Christine Ritterbusch *zirka 1850 in Hannover

Für Information woll ich sicher bezahlen.
W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.


[HN] Klinker

Date: 2006/06/27 07:34:24
From: ksturges <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>

I seek information on the following perons:-

Diedrich Klinker, born Hoya 1835. Married to Catherine Klinker, born Hannover
1836

Albert Klinker, born Potsdam 1820. Married to Wilhelmine Klinker, born Hannover
1820. They had a son, Theodore Klinker, born Minden 1845.

Above persons all moved to London around 1850.


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[HN] Herolds-Nortmann aus Diemarden (?)

Date: 2006/06/27 16:46:32
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Mir fehlen fast alle Daten zu disen Personen:
Hanss Herolds * um 1635, seine Ehefrau: Maria Nortmann * um 1640, + 12-3-1675 in Diemarden (?)
Tochter: Margarethe Catharina Herolds, * 29-7-1667 in Diemarden.
Wer kann helfen?
Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn


[HN] HORNEY - Suche nach den Vorfahren der Schauspielerin Brigitte H.

Date: 2006/06/27 17:28:53
From: Friedrich Ortwein <Fritz.Ortwein(a)netcologne.de>

Liebe Listenteilneher!
Ich melde mich erstmalig auf dieser Liste. Üblicherweise tummele ich mich auf den Listen der WGfF und HFK. Grund für die Inanspruchnahme der "Hannover-Liste" ist die Möglichkeit, daß die gesuchten Vorfahren der BRIGITTE HORNEY mit der Linie der Vorfahren meiner Frau identisch sein können, die aus dem Braunschweigischen stammen. Meine hier bisher zusamengetragenen Ergebnisse reishen bis zu Heinrich Horney (* um 1657).

Gesucht werden:
*Die Elten usf. des Vaters von Brigitte, OSCAR HORNEY *1882* (Jurist) oo mit Dr. Karen Danielson (-Horney), der berühmten Psychoanalytikerin (*1885 + 1952).

Friedrich Ortwein


Re: [HN] Klinker

Date: 2006/06/27 18:37:15
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Keith,

      Have you looked at the records on the LDS (Morman) website
www.familysearch.org?  Go there and on  the next page, do a search for
Klinker and nothing else, except click on "correct spelling".  There are
some listings for Diedrich Klinker in Eitzendorf which is north of Hoya.
There are other Klinkers listed as well.

      The LDS also has microfilm of Records of marriage contracts in Hoya
1795-1854. You can order the film at the LDS center and read it from there.
    
      There is also the census of 1852 in Hoya - look here:

      http://www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).html

Good luck,
Barbara



on 6/26/06 11:34 PM, ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk at ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:

> I seek information on the following perons:-
> 
> Diedrich Klinker, born Hoya 1835. Married to Catherine Klinker, born Hannover
> 1836
> 
> Albert Klinker, born Potsdam 1820. Married to Wilhelmine Klinker, born
> Hannover
> 1820. They had a son, Theodore Klinker, born Minden 1845.
> 
> Above persons all moved to London around 1850.
> 
> 
> Please respond to Keith Sturges - email address =  ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk.
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] HORNEY - Suche nach den Vorfahren der Schauspielerin BrigitteH.

Date: 2006/06/27 21:49:52
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Friedrich!
Vielleicht hilft Dir die Seite http://www.science-shop.de/blatt/d_shop_buch&_knv_dok_nr=053410580 ein wenig weiter.
Viel Erfolg und schönen Gruß aus Hamburg
Rolf

----- Original Message ----- From: "Friedrich Ortwein" <Fritz.Ortwein(a)netcologne.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: [HN] HORNEY - Suche nach den Vorfahren der Schauspielerin BrigitteH.


Liebe Listenteilneher!
Ich melde mich erstmalig auf dieser Liste. Üblicherweise tummele ich
mich auf den Listen der WGfF und HFK. Grund für die Inanspruchnahme der
"Hannover-Liste" ist die Möglichkeit, daß die gesuchten Vorfahren der
BRIGITTE HORNEY mit der Linie der Vorfahren meiner Frau identisch sein
können, die aus dem Braunschweigischen stammen. Meine hier bisher
zusamengetragenen Ergebnisse reishen bis zu Heinrich Horney (* um 1657).

Gesucht werden:
*Die Elten usf. des Vaters von Brigitte, OSCAR HORNEY *1882* (Jurist) oo
mit Dr. Karen Danielson (-Horney), der berühmten Psychoanalytikerin
(*1885 + 1952).

Friedrich Ortwein

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Re: [HN] Klinker

Date: 2006/06/27 23:01:42
From: ksturges <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for your message. I'll have a look in the places you mentioned.

Best regards,

Keith Sturges

>-- Original Message --
>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:37:07 -0600
>From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: Re: [HN] Klinker
>Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>
>
>Hello Keith,
>
>      Have you looked at the records on the LDS (Morman) website
>www.familysearch.org?  Go there and on  the next page, do a search for
>Klinker and nothing else, except click on "correct spelling".  There are
>some listings for Diedrich Klinker in Eitzendorf which is north of Hoya.
>There are other Klinkers listed as well.
>
>      The LDS also has microfilm of Records of marriage contracts in Hoya
>1795-1854. You can order the film at the LDS center and read it from there.
>
>      There is also the census of 1852 in Hoya - look here:
>
>      http://www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).html
>
>Good luck,
>Barbara
>
>
>
>on 6/26/06 11:34 PM, ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk at ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>
>> I seek information on the following perons:-
>>
>> Diedrich Klinker, born Hoya 1835. Married to Catherine Klinker, born Hannover
>> 1836
>>
>> Albert Klinker, born Potsdam 1820. Married to Wilhelmine Klinker, born
>> Hannover
>> 1820. They had a son, Theodore Klinker, born Minden 1845.
>>
>> Above persons all moved to London around 1850.
>>
>>
>> Please respond to Keith Sturges - email address =  ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk.
>>
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[HN] Neuvorstellung Wolf Lotte

Date: 2006/06/28 11:48:44
From: Wolf Lotte <wolflotte(a)hotmail.com>

Hallo Liste

Nachdem ich nun schon eine Weile am Informationsaustausch dieser Liste als stiller Leser teilgenommen habe, moechte ich mich kurz vorstellen und meine Forschungsinteressen bekanntgeben.

Ich heisse Wolf(gang Lotte), bin 53 Jahre alt, wohne seit ueber 20 Jahren in Nordspanien (was den Zugriff auf Archive nicht unbedingt erleichtert). Obwohl ich mich erst seit knapp 1 1/2 Jahren mit der Erforschung meiner Vorfahren beschaeftige habe ich dank Internet, IGI und Filme der Mormonen recht gute Fortschritte gemacht.

Meine Vorfahren vaeterlicherseits kommen aus Wallenbrueck (Westfalen); ich konnte diese Linie meiner Familie bis hin zu Franz Heinrich LOTTE und seiner Frau Margaretha Ilsabein JOELLENBECK zurueckverfolgen. Von Franz habe ich keine Daten, fuer Margarethe Ilsabein habe ich im Kirchenbuch das Geburts- (3-8-1739 Wallenbrueck) und im Internet das Todesdatum (5-1 1790 Placken) gefunden. Steht noch aus, letzteres zu ueberpruefen.

Soweit es LOTTE angeht - es handelt sich ja wohl um einen nicht allzu haeufigen Nachnamen - sammel ich alles, was ich finden kann, wenn auch Zusammenhaenge nicht gleich erkennbar sind. Hab auch einige Nachkommen zu Juergen Heinrich LOTTE zusammengetragen, der mit seiner (ersten) Frau Maria Ilsabein KROPS und spaeter mit seiner zweiten Frau Clara Wilhelmine Francisca HAGENSTUECKER wohl zur gleichen Zeit wie Franz in Wallenbrueck gelebt hat. Ich vermute mal, dass die Beiden Brueder waren, obwohl ich das noch nicht schluessig beweisen kann.


Im Jahre 1793 wurde in Neuenkirchen, einer Nachbargemeinde Wallenbruecks im Gebiet Hannovers, Catharina Elisabeth LOTTE geboren. Bei Ihrer Heirat am 22 Nov. 1826 in Spenge werden als Eltern Franz Heinrich LOTTE (gestorben 1810) und Cathrine Maria DIERINGS (gestorben 1801) angegeben.

Hat jemand aus der Liste mehr Daten zum Tod (und eventuell zur Heirat) von Franz Heinrich LOTTE oder Catharine Maria DIERINGS? Sind sie in Neuenkirchen gestorben? Ist ihr Alter bekannt? Ihr Geburtsort? Wo haben sie geheiratet? Handelt es sich bei Franz um denselben LOTTE, der zuvor mit Margaretha Ilsabein JOELLENBECK in Wallenbrueck verheiratet war?

Ich wuerde mich um Anregungen aus der Liste freuen.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen

Wolf



[HN] entfernen

Date: 2006/06/28 13:41:03
From: Frank Heibult <fmhblt(a)nethtc.net>

entfernen   --- Dank - fh

Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 31, Eintrag 37

Date: 2006/06/28 14:06:27
From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>

Hallo Wolf-Igmar,

Ich habe zwei Herold in dem Familienbuch von Guenterode gefunden. Ich weiss
nicht, ob eine Verbindung besteht, kannst ja mal gucken:

Zacharias HEROLD, Ackermann, geboren in Rengelrode (36 km von Diemarden
entfernt)
heiratete vor 1865 Anna Maria HUENERMUND. Sie hatten eine Tochter: Anna
Elisabeth HEROLD, geb. 1865 in Rengelrode

Gustav HEROLD, Ackermann, geboren in Steinbach (25 km von Diemarden
entfernt)
heiratete vor 1875 Genovefa WEIDEMANN. Sie hatten eine Tochter: Justine
HEROLD, geb. 1875 in Steinbach

Gruesse aus Leeds
Erika


Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:45:41 +0200
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>
Subject: [HN] Herolds-Nortmann aus Diemarden (?)
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Message-ID: <44A14495.7000804(a)online.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed

Liebe Familienforscher,
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Mir fehlen fast alle Daten zu disen Personen:
 Hanss Herolds * um 1635, seine Ehefrau: Maria Nortmann * um 1640, +
12-3-1675 in Diemarden (?)
Tochter: Margarethe Catharina Herolds, * 29-7-1667 in Diemarden.
Wer kann helfen?
Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn


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[HN] entfernen-wie geht das

Date: 2006/06/28 14:59:08
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

   In dieser Liste kann man sich auf die gleiche Weise  "entfernen", wie
   man sich auch angemeldet hat.

   - allerdings nicht dadurch, in dem man eine entsprechende Nachricht an
   die Liste sendet.

   -
   In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts
   Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
   Universitätsstadt Göttingen
   Reinhard J. Freytag
   -----Original Message-----
   > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:40:54 +0200
   > Subject: [HN] entfernen
   > From: "Frank Heibult" <fmhblt(a)nethtc.net>
   > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   > entfernen   --- Dank - fh
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[HN] Lorenz-Bleiert aus Gross-Lengden und Alfeld(?)

Date: 2006/06/28 15:07:40
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,,
wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Ich suche nach ergänzenden Daten von: Friedrich Lorenz * um 1729 in Alfeld(?), + 6-3-1796 in Gross-Lengden (?) Heirat am 8-11-1763 in Gross-Lengden mit: Anna Margaretha Bleiert * 2-4-1735 in Gross-Lengden, + 2-11-1790 in Gross-Lengden, Eltern: Joh.Heinrich Bleiert und Elis.(Marg) Marie Günther,
Tochter: Anna Marg. Dorothee Lorenz * 13-3-1769 in Gross-Lengden.
Wer kann helfen? Ich bin für jeden Hinweis dankbar
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn

[HN] nochmals: HORNEY, Vorfahren (väterli cherseits) der Schauspielerin Brigitte

Date: 2006/06/28 16:42:27
From: Friedrich Ortwein <Fritz.Ortwein(a)netcologne.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer!
Zur Klarstellung meiner Anfrage:

Gesucht werden:
Die Großelten väterlicherseits von Brigitte HORNEY
Der Lebenslauf ihrer Eltern, OSCAR HORNEY *1882 (Jurist) verheiratet mit Dr. Karen Danielson (-Horney), der berühmten Psychoanalytikerin (*1885 + 1952),liegt mir vor und ist im Internet gut zu recherchieren.

Mir fehlen jedoch sämtliche Angaben zu Geburtsort und Eltern des Vaters Oscar H.

Friedrich Ortwein




Re: [HN] Väter in Hannover

Date: 2006/06/28 21:53:28
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>

    Hallo,

   in meinen Listen habe ich keine Ritterbusch in Hannover gefunden,

   aber ich bin  in der Gegend Holzminden / Hameln schon auf den
   Namen Ritterbusch gestoßen. Das war um 1689 .

   Eventuell hilft es dir weiter.

   Liebe Grüße sendet Petra
   ----- original Nachricht --------
   Betreff: [HN] Väter in Hannover Gesendet: Mo 26 Jun 2006 14:32:16 CEST
   Von: "w.a. ridderbos"<w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl> > Sehr geehrte
   Frauen/Herren, > > Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von: > - Arend
   Ritterbusch *zirka 1640 in Hannover > > Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter)
   von: > - Simon Friedrich Adolph Ridderbusch *zirka 1780 in Hannover >
   > Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von: > - Justine Ritterbusch *zirka
   1780 in Hannover > > Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von: > - Friedrich
   Christian Ritterbusch *zirka 1810 in Hannover > > Wer ist der Vater
   (und Mutter) von: > - Johanne Louise Wilhelmine Karoline Ritterbusch
   *zirka 1840 in Hannover > > Wer ist der Vater (und Mutter) von: > -
   Luise Christine Ritterbusch *zirka 1850 in Hannover > > Für
   Information woll ich sicher bezahlen. > W.A.Ridderbos aus die
   Niederlande. > > ______________________________________________ > >
   Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >
   http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
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[HN] OHLENDORF

Date: 2006/06/29 06:08:33
From: Fmlyreschr <Fmlyreschr(a)aol.com>

I am looking for family information on Petrol (Otto) OHLENDORF. I know he  
was born on February 4,1907 in Hoheneggelsen.  His father was a farmer. He  was 
the youngest of 4 children, (2 brothers, 1 sister). 
 
He was married in 1934 and had 5 children.
 
This is the only family information I have at this time.
 
Is there anyone who can help give me suggestions on how I might obtain  
additional family information? Any help at all would be very much  appreciated.
 
Thank you,
Lori

Re: [HN] OHLENDORF

Date: 2006/06/29 07:35:55
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Lori, 

      If you do a Google search for Ohlendorf and Hoheneggelsen, you will
find some historical information about Otto Ohlendorf.

Barbara





on 6/28/06 8:10 PM, Fmlyreschr(a)aol.com at Fmlyreschr(a)aol.com wrote:

> Hoheneggelsen


[HN] Bleier-Günther aus Gross-Lengden

Date: 2006/06/29 15:13:08
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher,
wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Mir fehlen ergänzende Daten zu:
Michael Bleier * um 1618, + 22-8-1693 in Gross-Lengden, Heirat am 3-1-1643 in Gross-Lengden mit: Catharine Günther * um 1622, + 12-5-1698 in Gross-Lengden. Eltern: Otto Günther und Anna Kühlborn,
Kinder: Cyriax, Andreas Valentin, Anna Maria, Anna Marg.
Wer kann helfen? Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn

[HN] Oberscheden, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/29 21:22:03
From: ADELE HYNES <inurse(a)prodigy.net>

To the List, I am still looking for a map with Oberscheden on it . I tried several web sites no luck. I've tried Map Quest. No luck,. Also bought several old maps from 1800's. It wasn't listed. Anyone know of any other resources that I can use? How small was the town? Thanks, Adele

Re: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/29 21:41:01
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

I found it listed on current Germany maps.  I typed Oberscheden in google
and got several maps.

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of ADELE HYNES
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:08 PM
To: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover


To the List, I am still looking for a map with Oberscheden on it . I tried
several web sites no luck. I've tried Map Quest. No luck,. Also bought
several old maps from 1800's. It wasn't listed. Anyone know of any other
resources that I can use? How small was the town? Thanks, Adele
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[HN] Scheden - Wikipedia (2)

Date: 2006/06/29 21:58:22
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

  
 This link to mentions Oberscheden.
 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberscheden

[HN] Oberscheden

Date: 2006/06/29 22:07:58
From: Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org>

There's a 1930s map of Oberscheden listed for sale on ebay.
Janice 

[HN] Oberscheden

Date: 2006/06/30 00:40:16
From: Ralf Stamporek <R.S(a)pobox.com>

Hello Adele,

a lot has been run on the list about OBERSCHEDEN.

But why not just give it a look at the website under
http://www.m-beuermann.de/ortslage.htm

You will find a rough map, but it can be used for an
orientation. I'd guess, it is about 13 - 18 Km South-
West to Goettingen. Maybe, this is a little help to
get you in the right direction.

If you can read German, you may also want to try the
URL: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberscheden

Regards,
Ralf Stamporek
--
Wciaz poszukuje osob o nazwisku STA(M)POREK w Kielcach i okolicach.
http://www.aller-ursprung.de


Re: [HN] Mrer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/30 04:02:13
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,

In this title:

Persons of surname Maurer:

Christian
Frederick
G.W.
George

(12 pages)

Places mentioned
Groetzingen, Wurtemberg, Germany
Tuscarawas County, Illinois
lMason County, Illinois.
Chester Township, ?State?
Lincoln, ??State??
Nebraska
Havana, Illinois
Beason?, Illinois
Missouri
Gage County, Nebraska
Chestervale
Bavaria, Germany


Surnames mentioned:
Milbrin
Hahn
Hermann
Reichel
Schwarz
Schaefer
Luzin
Haidin
Gelbach
Gehre

I believe there a couple ^ surnames mentioned in this book as well.

Barbie


Other surnames mentioned:

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Re: [HN] Mauer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/30 04:42:15
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,

What I noticed about the post was surname Siewert. There is a Sass & Siewert burial listed at auroracemeteries.com site. However... I always thought of Logan County Illinois as somewhat near Chicago area.. actually Logan county to Aurora area is almost 150 miles.

<~~~ duh... Probobly should have looked at MAPS!!  before I wrote post.

Groetlingen is place listed in title ..not Goettingen..Opps!!

And I think I forgot to list name of title:

History of Logan County, Illinois :
a record of its settlement, organization, progress and achievement
Chicago: Pioneer Pub. Co., 1911, 1072 pgs

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Re: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/30 07:51:35
From: jay paulman <jayzor2003(a)yahoo.com>

Janice,
   
               I'm not sure but I think Obersheden is spelled Oberscheden with a c.
   
                The best old map I have found is the 1883 Ravenstein on line map.  It has an incredible index.  It's a little hard to navigate until you learn their grid system.  Use the link below:
   
                http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html
   
  When you get there download the index page for 
   
                Norddeicher Queller - Ostrowo (bei Argenau)
   
  On this page OberScheden is listed on map IV Page L4
   
  Return to the home page.  Select Download maps.
   
  You will see a table that indicates page ranges for nine maps.  Choose map 4 and F1-M5.  Oberscheden is in grid square L 4.  It is abbreviated Ob Scheden.  It is near Gottingen.
   
   
   
  

Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> wrote:
  I found it listed on current Germany maps. I typed Oberscheden in google
and got several maps.

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of ADELE HYNES
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:08 PM
To: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover


To the List, I am still looking for a map with Oberscheden on it . I tried
several web sites no luck. I've tried Map Quest. No luck,. Also bought
several old maps from 1800's. It wasn't listed. Anyone know of any other
resources that I can use? How small was the town? Thanks, Adele
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Re: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/30 07:53:28
From: jay paulman <jayzor2003(a)yahoo.com>

Adele,
   
               I'm not sure but I think Obersheden is spelled Oberscheden with a c.
   
                The best old map I have found is the 1883 Ravenstein on line map.  It has an incredible index.  It's a little hard to navigate until you learn their grid system.  Use the link below:
   
                http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html
   
  When you get there download the index page for 
   
                Norddeicher Queller - Ostrowo (bei Argenau)
   
  On this page OberScheden is listed on map IV Page L4
   
  Return to the home page.  Select Download maps.
   
  You will see a table that indicates page ranges for nine maps.  Choose map 4 and F1-M5.  Oberscheden is in grid square L 4.  It is abbreviated Ob Scheden.  It is near Gottingen.
   
   
   
  

Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> wrote:
  I found it listed on current Germany maps. I typed Oberscheden in google
and got several maps.

Janice

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of ADELE HYNES
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:08 PM
To: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover


To the List, I am still looking for a map with Oberscheden on it . I tried
several web sites no luck. I've tried Map Quest. No luck,. Also bought
several old maps from 1800's. It wasn't listed. Anyone know of any other
resources that I can use? How small was the town? Thanks, Adele
______________________________________________

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ADELE HYNES <inurse(a)prodigy.net> wrote:
  To the List, I am still looking for a map with Oberscheden on it . I tried several web sites no luck. I've tried Map Quest. No luck,. Also bought several old maps from 1800's. It wasn't listed. Anyone know of any other resources that I can use? How small was the town? Thanks, Adele
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Re: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/30 07:56:48
From: jay paulman <jayzor2003(a)yahoo.com>

Use mapquest.de not mapquest.com.  Ort is town name.

Janice Seiler <jseiler(a)cmcvtx.org> wrote:  I found it listed on current Germany maps. I typed Oberscheden in google
and got several maps.

Janice

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Subject: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover


To the List, I am still looking for a map with Oberscheden on it . I tried
several web sites no luck. I've tried Map Quest. No luck,. Also bought
several old maps from 1800's. It wasn't listed. Anyone know of any other
resources that I can use? How small was the town? Thanks, Adele
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[HN] Descendants of Andre WENNEBERG (or WENDBERGEN)

Date: 2006/06/30 08:57:04
From: John Schubert <johnschubert(a)hotmail.com>


                        Dear members of this List,

    I am searching for information on the ancestors and descendants of
     Phillapina Maria WENDBERGEN, who was born in about 1825, and was
       married perhaps some years before 1863 to a Mr. Deichman in
    Braunschweig. I would like to know if there were any children from
       this marriage. I presume that Mr Deichman had died by 1763.
      Phillipina's second marriage was to Carl Gottlieb SCHUBERT in
  Braunschweig in 1764, but alas she died in 1766. Carl married again in
    St. Aegidien's Lutheran Church, Hannover, in 1767 to Engel Sophia
                LUCKE, whose family came from Hildesheim.

    Carl Gottlieb SCHUBERT and his second wife, Engel, raised a large
   family in Braunschweig, including my great-great-great-grandfather,
   Gottlieb Anton Philip SCHUBERT (1777-1848), who went to England and
    raised a large family in Bristol, Gloucestershire. Carl and Engel
       SCHUBERT also had a son Otto SCHUBERT, who was born 1776 in
   Braunschweig, and I would like to find out whether Otto ever married
                            and had children.

  To assist readers to understand these families, I have pasted below a
    two-generation outline of the descendants of Phillipina's father,
  Andre WENNERBERG (or WENDBERGEN). Please read this outline for details
   on related individuals with  surnames HUNTEMANN, EBERLEIN, KROESSEL,
                            and ODEN (EDELN?).

     If anyone can connect to this Phillipina WENDBERGEN's family or
  to Carl SCHUBERT's family, please contact me on this list or by email
     at [1]johnschubert(a)hotmail . I have much information to share on
              Carl's family and on some of his descendants.

                           Thomas John Schubert

                          Sydney, NSW, Australia

  ______________________________________________________________________
                           ___________________

  Descendants of Andre Wenneberg (or Wendbergen)

  1 Andre Wenneberg Occupation: 1723 Gold-undSeidensticker (Gold & silk
  embroiderer in Hannover,in the Old Town)

  . +Ilsa Catharina Maria Huntemann m: 24 January 1722/23 in St Aegidien
  Church, Hannover, DEU

  .......... 2 Philippina Maria Wendbergen b: Abt. 1725 in presumably
  DEU d: 20 August 1766 in Braunschweig, DEU (Aged 40 years) Burial: 22
  August 1766

  .............. +? Deichmann b: in presumably DEU m: Bef. 1763 d: Bef.
  1763 in presumably DEU

  .......... *2nd Husband of Philippina Maria Wendbergen:

  .............. +Carl Gottlieb Schubert b: 18 July 1730 in Graebel (now
  Grobla, in Poland), a village near Bolkenhain (now Bolkow),
  Principality of Schlesien(Silesia)-Schweidnitz. (Graebel & Bolkenhain
  are now in S.W. Poland) m: 16 February 1764 in St. Katherinen's
  Church, Braunschweig, DEU d: 20 April 1808 in Braunschweig, DEU
  Burial: 24 April 1808 (St Martini Church) Braunschweig, DEU
  Occupation, 1: Bef. May 1767 Bildhauer= Sculptor (probably in stone)
  in Braunschweig. Described as a "passed away" Bildhauer on daughter's
  marriage record in 1817

  .......... 2 Dorothea Maria Wendbergen b: Bef. 1726

  .............. +Christian Nicholas Eberlein Occupation: 1744 probably
  gallon inspector(meaning what?) in Salzdahlum

  .......... 2 Katharina Dorothea Elisabeth Wendbergen b: Bef. 1730 in
  DEU? d: 1766 in Braunschweig, DEU Burial: 1766 Dome Cemetry outside
  St. Magni gate, Braunschweig

  .............. +Joseph Peter Kroessel m: Bet. 1744 - 1748 Occupation:
  Bet. 1744 - 1748 Sculptor for the castle in Salzdahlum

  .......... *2nd Husband of Katharina Dorothea Elisabeth Wendbergen:

  .............. +Jophann Heinrich Oden(Odeln?) b: 1732 in Duchy of
  Holstein, Denmark/DEU m: Bef. 1766 in Braunschweig, DEU d: 5 January
  1797 in Braunschweig, DEU Occupation: 1769 Court Sculptor in
  Braunschweig

Verweise

  1. mailto:johnschubert(a)hotmail

[HN] Map of Oberscheden

Date: 2006/06/30 08:57:05
From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>

Hi Adele,

Try http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/tpl/hme/MaHomePage.htm

If you write Oberscheden into Maps, you get the general area of 37127
Oberscheden. Click several times on the Plus sign to enlarge it, and you can
get a very detailled map including all the street names.

I use Via Michelin all the time, it is the best map and direction giver I
have come across.

Erika




[HN] Oberscheden, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/30 09:00:00
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

   Hi, Adele,

   in which family names are your searching in Scheden ?

   (Formerly OBERscheden and NIEDERscheden what means DOWN-Scheden and
   ABOVEscheden, formerly two semidetached villages, today one unit)
   --
   In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts
   Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
   Universitätsstadt Göttingen
   Reinhard J. Freytag
   -----Original Message-----
   > Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:07:39 +0200
   > Subject: [HN] Oberscheden, Hannover
   > From: ADELE HYNES <inurse(a)prodigy.net>
   > To: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
   > To the List, I am still looking for a map with Oberscheden on it . I
   > tried several web sites no luck. I've tried Map Quest. No luck,.
   Also
   > bought several old maps from 1800's. It wasn't listed. Anyone know
   of
   > any other resources that I can use? How small was the town? Thanks,
   > Adele ______________________________________________
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   >
   >

[HN] Oberscheden = Scheden

Date: 2006/06/30 09:01:21
From: Reinhard Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

   Go to

   [1]www.scheden.de
   --
   In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt vorwärts
   Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
   Universitätsstadt Göttingen
   Reinhard J. Freytag
   -----Original Message-----
   > Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:56:48 +0200
   > Subject: [HN] Map of Oberscheden
   > From: "Erika Trueman" <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>
   > To: "Hannover Liste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   > Hi Adele,
   >
   > Try
   http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/tpl/hme/MaHomePage.htm
   > If you write Oberscheden into Maps, you get the general area of
   37127
   > Oberscheden. Click several times on the Plus sign to enlarge it, and
   > you can get a very detailled map including all the street names.
   >
   > I use Via Michelin all the time, it is the best map and direction
   > giver I have come across.
   >
   > Erika
   >
   >
   >
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   >

Verweise

   1. http://www.scheden.de/

[HN] Holdenbach-Bleier aus Mengershausen und Gross-Lengden

Date: 2006/06/30 10:42:19
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Mir fehlen weiterreichende Daten zu Anna Judith Holdenbach * um 1662 in Mengershausen(?), + 3-8-1734 in Gross-Lengden, verh. am 30-5-1694 in Gross- Lengden mit Andreas Valentin Bleier * 6-4-1659 in Gross Lengden, begr. 29-9-1713 in Gross-Lengden Eltern: Michael Bleier und Catharine Günther, Sohn: Joh. Heinrich Bleier * 19-1-1699 in G-L, + 12-12-1758 in G-L.
Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis.
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn

[HN] Büermann-Twingmann aus Falkenhagen

Date: 2006/06/30 15:21:14
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>

Liebe Familienforscher!
Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL? Schreibweise unterschiedlich
Mir fehlen ausführliche Daten von:
Valentin Büermann * um 1622, ++ 17-5-1687 in Falkenhagen
Ehefrau: Catharine Twingmann * 9-12-1633, + 23-5-1675 in Falkenhagen
Tochter: Anna Maria Bührmann * 22-2-1663 in Falkenhagen, + 22-12-1732 in Gross-Lengden(?)
Wer kann helfen?
Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis.
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn

Re: [HN] Mauer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover

Date: 2006/06/30 18:17:17
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

He could have died while visiting relatives in Aurora. Or while on the move to a new area. Not everyone dies at home, even today.
Maureen
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Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Mauer from Reiffenhausen, Hannover


Hello,

What I noticed about the post was surname Siewert. There is a Sass & Siewert
burial listed at auroracemeteries.com site.  However... I always thought of
Logan County Illinois as somewhat near Chicago area.. actually Logan county
to Aurora area is almost 150 miles.

<~~~ duh... Probobly should have looked at MAPS!!  before I wrote post.

Groetlingen is place listed in title ..not Goettingen..Opps!!

And I think I forgot to list name of title:

History of Logan County, Illinois :
a record of its settlement, organization, progress and achievement
Chicago: Pioneer Pub. Co., 1911, 1072 pgs

Sorry for bloviating...:)

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[HN] search for Marriage in Cumberland Maryland

Date: 2006/06/30 19:23:49
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Friends,

for a friend I still search the parents of
- Johan Henrich (Henry) Niehaus, should be born 17.Apr.1814 or 14.Apr.1817 maybe in Damme

  he married about 1839 in Cumberland Maryland (we believe)
     to Anna Maria Agnes Grevenkamp, born 8.Oct.1813 in Damme

After that he moved to Cincinnati, there is born the first child:
 * 17.Nov,1843 Cincinnati, Henry
 * 06.Jan.1845 Cincinnati, Gerhard Henry
then they moved to St.Meinrad and later to Ferdinand Indiana

Have somebody access to the marriage records of Cumberland Maryland to check this?
I hope to find the name of his parents.

Thank you,
Werner Honkomp
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Werner Honkomp                  werner(a)honkomp.de
Ziegelhofstr. 35b                    www.honkomp.de
26121 Oldenburg                 Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0441-883499

Re: [HN] Baptismal records

Date: 2006/06/30 23:36:32
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

Dear Gale, I have numerous charts of old German script for translating and  
some are slightly different , unfortunately I do not remember where I found  
them and cannot forward them.
 
Have a Nice Day!  Jill