hannover-l - Nachricht 2006-01 00348

[ADELE HYNES <inurse(a)...]

Dear JB, All records were transcribed and translated. To send the same researcher to Hannover or Friedland would be too expensive. So he got me back 2 generations to my gggranfather, who was AREND Heinrich Wilhelm Fischer Only record  he found was the removal record from the son leaving HANNOVER . I  NEED SOMEONE TO FIND THE RECORDS ON  AHWF in Friedland to continue the line. Adele

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1. Re: UELZEN book (Mona)
2. Re: UELZEN book (DKnoepfel(a)...
3. RE: Re: Nachrichtensammlung - FISCHER (J b)
4. Kingdom of Hannover question (Gail Schrader)
5. Re: Uelzen, Lüneburg (Jane Swan)
6. Re: Kingdom of Hannover question (Herbert.Kunkel)
7. Re: Kingdom of Hannover question (R&B Stewart)
8. RE: Kingdom of Hannover question (J b)
9. Re: Lüneburg, Germany (Werner Honkomp)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:45:38 -0600
From: Mona 
Subject: Re: [HN] UELZEN book
To: Hannover-L 
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DKnoepfel(a)... wrote:
> Hello Mona -
> 
> I do not have the Uelzen book but I recently had Dieter Boe do some research 
> for me on my Thiemann/Tiemann/Timann family from Melzingen - the church 
> records for Melzingen are at Ebstorf. The information he sent me goes back to 
> before 1500. My Dorothea Thiemann's mother was Catharine Maria Dorothea 
> Rieckmann! There was a great deal more information than I really wanted since 
> Dorothea is only related by marriage to my Ludwig Degener.
> 
> I wonder if this Rieckmann family could be related to yours?
> 

Hi Don,
When Dieter did some work for me, he traced the WOLLE line. My 
ggrandmother was WOLLE who married a Rieckmann. But he didn't trace the 
Rieckmann. So I can't tell you if I connect to a Degenger. Maybe after 
I get the book, we'll be able to tell.

Did you Thiemann go to Grand Island,Nebraska? I know there are some who 
did. I find this fascinating because my ggrandparents settled only 
about 35 miles west of Grand Island, after living several years in Will 
County, Illinois.

I'm also fascinated that you have a Catharine Maria Dorothea. Those 3 
names + Anna and Elisabeth seem to be almost the only names they used 
for females. Males seem to be Heinrich and Christoph and Wilhelm. Over 
and over and over again!

Mona
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Mona Houser
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:58:05 EST
From: DKnoepfel(a)...
Subject: Re: [HN] UELZEN book
To: hannover-l(a)...
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Hi Mona -

Isn't genealogy fascinating ! I have been at it off and on for 40 years. 
Only had a computer for the past 3 years so most of my information was obtained 
the old fashioned way. AND I am tracing too many families.

I am in contact with Bill Thiemann in Grand Island. He also has had Dieter 
do research for him. At this point we cannot make a connection between his 
family and mine but they came from the same town.

There is no Wolle listed in the material that Dieter sent but there is a 
Catharine Dorothea Wille who married Johann Christian Rieckmann.

My Thiemanns went to Illinois and then to Buean Vista County, Iowa.

I had Knöpfel/Knoepfel family who settled in and around Grand Island - Loup 
City in the 1870/1880 era.

:You are correct about the names. Seems they just re-cycled the same names 
over and over. My Degener family seemed to use Heinrich, Friedrich, Wilhelm 
,Christian and Ludwig and just switched the order around. In my Knöpfel 
family they all had the first name of Johann followed by Heinrich or Adam or 
Christian or Georg and none of them used the name Johann.

Have a great weekend.

Don



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:12:33 -0800
From: "J b" 
Subject: RE: [HN] Re: Nachrichtensammlung - FISCHER
To: hannover-l(a)...
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Well then, do you mostly need a translator for your documents? Is that what 
you are primarily seeking?

Or is it suggestions about Friedland area researching? Or both?

Once this is a bit clearer, I'm sure folks here could suggest further ideas 
on what to do. Have you tried the LDS online site yet for catalogued 
holdings (films and publications) for Friedland for starters, as previously 
suggested?

>Dear JB, Thank you for your response. I hired a researcher in BERLIN LAST 
>YEAR and he spent a year running down all the leads I HAD FROM FAMILY HERE. 
>ALL FALSE. hE FOUND THE RECORD OF jOHANN LEAVING Friedland and going to 
>Berlin.

So all 'false' except for this Johann link (all's well that ends well then?) 
:-) wow

>Everything else fits to my grandfather who left BERLIN IN 1873 to the USA.

OK so you're confident this is a true (correct) connection, correct?

>I tried reading the records from BERLIN ORIGINALLY but all I did was get 
>frustrated. The researcher sent me regular GERMAN RECORDS FROM THE 
>EVANGELICAL church in BERLIN. If I don't find enough help from this web 
>site I guess I will have to have someone else do it .

So I assume the researcher sent you these findings raw and non-translated? 
Did you inquire if he/she could either transcribe or summarize them? If this 
is part of the hang-up, then there are avenues to correct this. Simply 
confirm, and we'll go from there (still have no idea if these are in the old 
Fraktur style script, as will probably be the case. Do you know?). In either 
case, remedies exist to correct this situation! Even free ones (via 
translation services). Let us know.

>Any more suggestions? Adele

Yes, two. It is always best to stick to your original SUBJECT thread or line 
when posting [in your case, Arend HW Fischer], as this makes follow-ups 
easier; plus keep related messages better organized and chronicled in the 
H-L Archives for future researchers who may come upon them. Also, when 
replying directly to Nachrichtensammlung [digest mode] messages, make sure 
to edit your return reply to eliminate most (if not all) of the trailers 
(accompanying messages). If not, posts run unnecessarily long. ;)

Jb

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:21:47 -0500
From: "Gail Schrader" 
Subject: [HN] Kingdom of Hannover question
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Hi,

I maybe missing something but.....

It seems like every time I look for information around 1850 where you have to click on the Kingdom's in Germany at that time - the Kingdom of Hannover is never listed as a choice. Other areas are listed but not Hannover or Braunschweig. Can someone explain this to me - please.

Also were the emigration records from Bremen destroyed during WWII?

Thanks, Gail Schrader

Still looking for Heinrich Schrader in the Duchy of Braunschweig

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:28:41 -0500
From: "Jane Swan" 
Subject: [HN] Re: Uelzen, Lüneburg
To: hannover-l(a)...
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Hi Joanne: I live in the US but have researched in the archives of both Uelzen and Lüneburg - altho it was over 20 years ago.
The archiv in Uelzen is very small, upstairs from the library across the street from the Marienkirche. I don't remember the street address. At that time a Herr Dr. Eggers (take note you Eggers researchers) was the archivist and very helpful. Whether he still is or even is still alive, I don't know. It might be worth a try to address him personally. At that time he had no secretary or assistants so it might take some time to get a reply. I just walked in with no appt, but I was lucky as I believe he just works part-time.
Ditto Lüneburg archives which at that time were in the old Rathaus (a wonderful museum in itself). Sorry I can't be more specific.
Your best bet for excellent tourist info anywhere in Germany is to write to the German National Tourist office in NY. They will send you maps and all kinds of goodies. Jane


Jane Swan
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 05:32:25 +0100
From: "Herbert.Kunkel" 
Subject: Re: [HN] Kingdom of Hannover question
To: "Hannover-L" 
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Hi.

Have a look to this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanover_%28state%29

Herbert



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gail Schrader" 
To: 
Sent: 22 January 2006 04:21
Subject: [HN] Kingdom of Hannover question


Hi,

I maybe missing something but.....

It seems like every time I look for information around 1850 where you have 
to click on the Kingdom's in Germany at that time - the Kingdom of Hannover 
is never listed as a choice. Other areas are listed but not Hannover or 
Braunschweig. Can someone explain this to me - please.

Also were the emigration records from Bremen destroyed during WWII?

Thanks, Gail Schrader

Still looking for Heinrich Schrader in the Duchy of Braunschweig
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:34:32 -0700
From: R&B Stewart 
Subject: Re: [HN] Kingdom of Hannover question
To: Hannover-L 
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Hi Gail,

If you're talking about the LDS search site, it is true that Hannover
is not listed as a choice. Prussia is there, but that's not the same
thing. It has always been frustrating to me, so I don't chose any region and
just look through the listings and watch for Hannover or Braunschweig.

I have read often about the Bremen lists being destroyed. Must be the
case. 

Barbara



on 1/21/06 8:21 PM, Gail Schrader at gscout1912(a)... wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I maybe missing something but.....
> 
> It seems like every time I look for information around 1850 where you have to
> click on the Kingdom's in Germany at that time - the Kingdom of Hannover is
> never listed as a choice. Other areas are listed but not Hannover or
> Braunschweig. Can someone explain this to me - please.
> 
> Also were the emigration records from Bremen destroyed during WWII?
> 
> Thanks, Gail Schrader
> 
> Still looking for Heinrich Schrader in the Duchy of Braunschweig
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:56:55 -0800
From: "J b" 
Subject: RE: [HN] Kingdom of Hannover question
To: hannover-l(a)...
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Gail wrote:
>I maybe missing something but.....
>
>It seems like every time I look for information around 1850 where you have 
>to click on the Kingdom's in Germany at that time - the Kingdom of Hannover 
>is never listed as a choice. Other areas are listed but not Hannover or 
>Braunschweig. Can someone explain this to me - please.

You lost me here, unless it's as Barbara suggests (re LDS online?). Maybe 
you can clarify this more, or cite a few examples.

>Also were the emigration records from Bremen destroyed during WWII?

The most popular emigrant ports of departure in Germany by far were Bremen 
and Hamburg, although many Germans left through other European ports such as 
Antwerp (Belgium), Le Havre (France), Rotterdam (Holland) and Liverpool 
(England, via an indirect route).

Unfortunately, most of the passenger lists from Bremen did not survive. City 
archivists in Bremen destroyed some of the lists between 1875 and 1909 due 
to lack of storage space. Other lists were destroyed from Allied bombings 
during World War II. Portions of the Bremen passenger lists that survived 
are found in the series "List of Passengers Bound from Bremen to New York, 
1847-71". This is a 4-volume work by Gary Zimmerman and Marion Wolfert 
(Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co).

If you believe or have indications your ancestors sailed from Bremen, you 
should search the indexes for the passenger lists for the port of ARRIVAL in 
the US (if known). New York passenger lists have not been indexed on 
microfilm from 1847 to 1897, but they are indexed online I believe, and many 
other resources are also available now. How complete these indexes are at 
this point is anyone's guess. Other popular arrival ports in the U.S. 
include Boston, Philadelphia, New Orleans and Baltimore. Many of these have 
also been indexed, at least for the most part.

Hope this helps. Jb

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:41:37 +0100
From: Werner Honkomp 
Subject: Re: [HN] Lüneburg, Germany
To: hannover-l(a)...
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You can order a guide in Lüneburg ( http://www.lueneburg.de/ ) > Gästeführungen

Write to touristik(a)...

Good luck,
Werner



> Dear List Members,

> I am planning a trip to Lüneburg the last week of July. Does anyone on
> this list speak English and live in the Lüneburg area?

> I am having difficulty in getting a response via e-mail from the Archiv
> in Lüneburg. I am attempting to schedule an appointment for my visit.
> I am also trying to contact the tourist office for tour information, etc.

> I would appreciate any suggestions. I will be traveling to Lüneburg
> from Magdeburg, after visiting family there. Would love to meet anyone
> from the list living in the area!

> Joanne Becker
> St. Michael, MN

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