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Re: [HN] Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden

Date: 2005/03/01 02:15:47
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Bob,
     You have a tough task.  I would presume that you have done the obvious
stuff--like looking at the LDS films from Aurich.  There are quite a few.
      What I would  do then is do a search on the LDS site for Thaden and
hit the exact spelling.  You see that most of the Thadens that appear there
are from that same general area of the far northwest and look up the films
for any of them that the LDS has. Now--that is the old hard way of doing
genealogy before the wonderful days of the internet!
    Sorry, I can't be of any more help.
Barbara 





on 2/28/05 8:54 AM, Bob & Marilyn Thaden at bmthaden(a)midrivers.com wrote:

> Eilert Ludwig Thaden


[HN] OERMANN

Date: 2005/03/01 04:10:41
From: J. Morley <jmorley(a)yp-connect.net>

Good afternoon, I am new to this list.
I am trying to find anyone who might be related to
Ernst Hienrich OERMANN born 1821 Hanover.
Henry Oerman is the name he went by in South Australia where he emigrated to
around 1847. I am hoping someone might be able to tell me who his parents
were?
Thankyou in anticipation Jill

I



AW: [HN] Hedemünden OPPERMANN ORTIES BÜRMANN LA SPE KÖMEL SCHRADER

Date: 2005/03/01 09:24:50
From: Reiner Stephany <r.stephany(a)hamcom.biz>

Lieber Rainer Wiede,
ich kenne nur Schrader bei Schulenburg (ca. 1740)... Interesse?
Freundliche Grüße,
Reiner Stephany.

Reiner Stephany
Kiebitzweg 28
59071 Hamm
Tel.: 02381 84972


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von RHWiede(a)aol.com
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 06:37
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net; famnord(a)genealogy.net;
sachsen-anhalt-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Hedemünden OPPERMANN ORTIES BÜRMANN LASPE KÖMEL SCHRADER

 
Guten Tag,
meine Vorfahren lebten in HEDEMÜNDEN 
OPPERMANN Hans * um 1580  oo mit Anna
seine Schwiegertochter 
ORTIES Ilsa Elisabeth * um 1605 oo 1630 mit Wilhelm OPPERMANN *  1606
OPPERMANN Bartoldo * um 1580  oo mit Margareta
sein Schwiegersohn
BÜRMANN Hans * um 1605 oo mit Anna OPPERMANN 
LÖWER Christoph * um 1600 Vater von Christoffel OPPERMANN * 1624
LASPE Hans * um 1670 oo mit Ilsebeth Vater von LASPE Lisebeth * 1695 oo
mit 
            Jost  Adam OPPERMANN * 1696
KÖMEL Friderich Christoph * 1702   oo mit Marie Cathrine  SCHRADER *
1698
SCHRADER Henricus * um 1630 Großvater der Marie Cathrine   oo mit
Margreta  
Vater von 
            Justus  (Jost) SCHRADER * 1655
.
Wer kennt diese Personen oder Familien? Ich würde mich sehr über  
Kontaktaufnahmen  -  auch von Forschern von anderen Familien von
Hedemünden  -  freuen. 
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer H.  Wiede

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[HN] Hedemünden OPPERMANN ORTIES BÜRMANN L ASPE KÖMEL SCHRADER

Date: 2005/03/01 09:45:33
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

Hallo Egon,
vielen Dank für das Familienblatt mit Anna Catharina (Marie Dorothea)  
OPPERMANN. 
In meiner AL finden sich 
1.    Anna Catharina OPPERMANN * 3-4-1687 unverheiratet 
        Quelle KB Hedemünden  Geburten 1687 S. 286
2.    Maria Dorothea OPPERMANN *  27-12-1723 unverheiratet  
        Quelle KB Hedemünden  Geburten 1723 S. 366
Mir ist unklar, was Ihre Darstellung "Anna Catharina (Marie Dorothea)  
OPPERMANN" bedeuten soll. (Nebenbei, ich arbeite auch mit GES 2000 von Herrn  Knoll 
und bin sehr zufrieden damit.)
Die Heirat von (2) Maria Dorothea O. am 2-11-1745, also Heiratsalter, er  
scheint realistisch. Sie hat 3 Geschwister.
Ihr älterer Bruder Johann Henrich* O. * 12-1-1721 ist direkter  Vorfahre von 
mir. Das gilt natürlich auch für ihren Vater 
-    Jost* Adam OPPERMANN * 17-2-1696 in  Hedemdn. oo 8-2-1719 in Hedem. mit 
-    Lisebeth (Eliesebeth) LASPE * 30-7-1695
Jost Adam O. ist der jüngere Bruder von Anna Catharina O., älteste von 6  
Kindern von 
-   Zacharias OPPERMANN * 1657 oo 1685 in Hedemünden 
-    Dorothea LÖWER (Löver) * 1656 (Bademutter)
Ich habe für Zacharias noch Eltern und Großeltern gefunden, für Dorothea  
auch noch die Urgroßeltern: Bartoldo OPPERMANN (!) und Frau Margaretha
Ich würde mich freuen, von Ihnen v.a. zur o.a. Frage der Vornamen von Anna  
Catharina (Marie Dorothea) OPPERMANN zu hören.
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer
 

Re: [HN] OERMANN

Date: 2005/03/01 22:29:17
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Jill,

     Is your Oermann listed here?  It really isn't helpful as to Henry's
birthplace.   
   http://www.geocities.com/mepnab/np/o1.html#oermann
     There are several Oermanns listed in the German phonebook, but they
are scattered enough not to indicate a likely birthplace.
Good luck in your search,
Barbara




on 2/28/05 8:10 PM, J. Morley at jmorley(a)yp-connect.net wrote:

> Good afternoon, I am new to this list.
> I am trying to find anyone who might be related to
> Ernst Hienrich OERMANN born 1821 Hanover.
> Henry Oerman is the name he went by in South Australia where he emigrated to
> around 1847. I am hoping someone might be able to tell me who his parents
> were?
> Thankyou in anticipation Jill
> 
> I
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Familie Gottschalk?

Date: 2005/03/02 03:24:12
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear List,

This is outside family list. I know the name Gottschalk and I could be mistaken...

I think a toymaker? I think 19th century toys made by this German Toy-maker very valuable today.

Would be wonderful to hear a story concerning such.

Warmest Regards,
Barbie


From: "Ingrid Gottschalk" <igo(a)pro4net.de>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Familie Hille
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:20:44 +0100

Hallo Herr Hille, gibt es bei Ihnen Hinweise auf einen Zusammenhang zwischen Ihren Hille und den Harzer (Buntenbock/Clausthal/Goslar) Hillen? Sie sind in
der Ahnenliste meiner Schwiegermutter mit Wiegand verknüpft.
Gruss aus dem Rheinland
Ingrid (Gottschalk)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rudolf Hille" <rudolf.hille(a)polizei.niedersachsen.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: [HN] Familie Hille


Guten Morgen aus Northeim.
Ich habe zufällig im Internet gelesen, daß sich Leute für die Familie Hille
aus dem Solling interessieren.
Was meinen Zweig der Familie betrifft, kenne ich mich ziemlich gut aus, bis
etwa 1600 zurück. Wer Fragen hat, kann mich kontakten.
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Rudolf Hille
Carl-Orff-Weg 2
37154 Northeim
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[HN] königreich hannover

Date: 2005/03/02 09:26:53
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

Ich suche auf internet eine sehr gute Karte
von das Königreich Hannover.
Weisst Jemand das?

Mit freundlichem Gruss,
W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande mit vieler Schee.

Re: [HN] königreich hannover

Date: 2005/03/02 09:35:34
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

Hallo Herr Ridderbos,
 
versuchen Sie mal:
 
_http://www.hoeckmann.de_ (http://www.hoeckmann.de) 
 
Dort gibt es eine ganze Reihe guter Karten.
 
Viel Erfolg!
 
Brigitte Jahnke

[HN] TOTT family from Hannover/Wolbrechtshausen

Date: 2005/03/02 13:39:30
From: A . E . Minns <A.E.Minns(a)bton.ac.uk>

Dear all,

I am trying to trace the TOTT family from Hannover/Wolbrechtshausen/Lindau
a/Harz, with links to the following surnames: Deppe (from Lemforde),
Schormann, Stichnoth/Stiefnoth, Queren, Struckmeyer, Schafer, Knoke(n),
Scheveling(en)/Schoerling, Greven, Engel.

Is anyone able to help please? I can supply further details (names/dates) on
request.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Alison

Alison Minns
e-mail: aem(a)brighton.ac.uk



Re: [HN] königreich hannover

Date: 2005/03/02 15:31:44
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

This is a good site for Hannover, including maps.

http://www.koenigreich-hannover.de/

Barbara




on 3/2/05 1:31 AM, w.a. ridderbos at w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl wrote:

> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> 
> Ich suche auf internet eine sehr gute Karte
> von das Königreich Hannover.
> Weisst Jemand das?
> 
> Mit freundlichem Gruss,
> W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande mit vieler Schee.
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] Familie Gottschalk?

Date: 2005/03/02 17:33:16
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi to those interested in Gottschalk:

My first response was to the fact that there is a Gottschalk Department Store chain of 73 stores in the western states.

I Googled the name and got a half million hits. I think it would be hard to research. Yes Barbie there was a Gottschalk toy maker in Germany. Some of the most exquisite doll houses were made by that company. Also there is the existing Gottschalk toy collection, which is quite extensive.

In the music field is Louis Moreau Gottschalk and all the businesses relating to his name.

There is also the Gottschalk farm in the U.S.

Gale

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:23:49 -0600
 "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear List,

This is outside family list. I know the name Gottschalk and I could be mistaken...

I think a toymaker? I think 19th century toys made by this German Toy-maker very valuable today.

Would be wonderful to hear a story concerning such.

Warmest Regards,
Barbie


From: "Ingrid Gottschalk" <igo(a)pro4net.de>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Familie Hille
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:20:44 +0100

Hallo Herr Hille, gibt es bei Ihnen Hinweise auf einen Zusammenhang zwischen Ihren Hille und den Harzer (Buntenbock/Clausthal/Goslar) Hillen? Sie sind in der Ahnenliste meiner Schwiegermutter mit Wiegand verknüpft.
Gruss aus dem Rheinland
Ingrid (Gottschalk)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rudolf Hille" <rudolf.hille(a)polizei.niedersachsen.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: [HN] Familie Hille


Guten Morgen aus Northeim.
Ich habe zufällig im Internet gelesen, daß sich Leute für die Familie Hille
aus dem Solling interessieren.
Was meinen Zweig der Familie betrifft, kenne ich mich ziemlich gut aus, bis
etwa 1600 zurück. Wer Fragen hat, kann mich kontakten.
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Rudolf Hille
Carl-Orff-Weg 2
37154 Northeim
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Re: [HN] Familie Gottschalk?

Date: 2005/03/02 20:38:26
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

To whom it may concern:
I think you are looking for Moritz Gottschalk 1892 - 1931. He was a toys
maker. But I don't know something about his life etc.
Possibly you can get more informations by: Deutsches Spielemuseum (museum
for toys) Chemnitz e.V., Neefestraße 78a, 09119 Chemnitz, Telefon: 0371 -
306 565, Telefax: 0371 - 306 565 and e-mail:
deutsches-spielemuseum(a)t-online.de
Best Regards from Hamburg/Germany
Rolf


----- Original Message -----
From: <gale(a)bosche.info>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Familie Gottschalk?


> Hi to those interested in Gottschalk:
>
> My first response was to the fact that there is a
> Gottschalk Department Store chain of 73 stores in the
> western states.
>
> I Googled the name and got a half million hits.  I think
> it would be hard to research.  Yes Barbie there was a
> Gottschalk toy maker in Germany.  Some of the most
> exquisite doll houses were made by that company.  Also
> there is the existing Gottschalk toy collection, which is
> quite extensive.
>
> In the music field is Louis Moreau Gottschalk and all the
> businesses relating to his name.
>
> There is also the Gottschalk farm in the U.S.
>
> Gale
>
> On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:23:49 -0600
>   "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear List,
> >
> > This is outside family list.  I know the name Gottschalk
> >and I could be mistaken...
> >
> > I think a toymaker? I think 19th century toys made by
> >this German Toy-maker very valuable today.
> >
> > Would be wonderful to hear a story concerning such.
> >
> > Warmest Regards,
> > Barbie
> >
> >
> >>From: "Ingrid Gottschalk" <igo(a)pro4net.de>
> >>Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >>To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >>Subject: Re: [HN] Familie Hille
> >>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:20:44 +0100
> >>
> >>Hallo Herr Hille, gibt es bei Ihnen Hinweise auf einen
> >>Zusammenhang zwischen
> >>Ihren Hille und den Harzer (Buntenbock/Clausthal/Goslar)
> >>Hillen? Sie sind in
> >>der Ahnenliste meiner Schwiegermutter mit Wiegand
> >>verknüpft.
> >>Gruss aus dem Rheinland
> >>Ingrid (Gottschalk)
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Rudolf Hille"
> >><rudolf.hille(a)polizei.niedersachsen.de>
> >>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:57 AM
> >>Subject: [HN] Familie Hille
> >>
> >>
> >>Guten Morgen aus Northeim.
> >>Ich habe zufällig im Internet gelesen, daß sich Leute für
> >>die Familie Hille
> >>aus dem Solling interessieren.
> >>Was meinen Zweig der Familie betrifft, kenne ich mich
> >>ziemlich gut aus, bis
> >>etwa 1600 zurück. Wer Fragen hat, kann mich kontakten.
> >>Mit freundlichem Gruß
> >>Rudolf Hille
> >>Carl-Orff-Weg 2
> >>37154 Northeim
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Hannover-L mailing list
> >>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> >>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Hannover-L mailing list
> >>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> >>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
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>



[HN] Provinces

Date: 2005/03/02 20:54:56
From: BASchwart <BASchwart(a)aol.com>

Hello list serve members,  
I have been helped so much in the past by people on here and I'm asking for  
help again.
 
1. Please tell me - Is Asbach (under Cassel), Herschfeld in Hannover?  If not 
does anyone know which province it was in? Looking for Conrad Adam Justus  
Gluth born there 20 April 1858, according to oral history.
 
2. Was Worms, GR in Hannover?  If not do you know which province it  was in? 
Looking for Jacob Walber, born 9 Feb 1817, according to oral  history.
 
3. Does anyone know if Bavaria has a list serve like Hannover? I'm looking  
for Johann Adam Steinhauser from Ehingen, Bavaria born about 1824.
 
Thank you so very much. I enjoy all of your requests and the answers.  
Barb Schwarting

Re: [HN] königreich hannover - Brucha usen: RIMSTIDT etc.

Date: 2005/03/02 23:14:54
From: DmRice <DmRice(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 2/3/05 9:32:28 AM, raybarbara(a)comcast.net writes:

<< http://www.koenigreich-hannover.de/ >>

Thank you for that mapsite -  no wonder I find myself searching in so many 
different "jurisdictions"  for all those relatives from "Hannover" (says census) 
 including the one born "within sight of Bremen"  -  Plus names from the 
other side of my ancestry from Oldenburg which seem to be popular in "Hanover".  

Barb Rice

"Hannover" 
 RIMSTIDT - REHMENSTEAD? (Bruchausen  "in sight of Bremen"!) 
 /LULLMANN /SEVEUS?/  LUERKE-LURDTE? / HOMEFIELD? /MEIER? 
Oldenburg - (Idar-Oberstein) Berkenfeld Co  -SCHNEIDER  /HELDER / ?BOHRER  
/?KELLER 

 --------------

[HN] RE SUBSCRIBE

Date: 2005/03/03 06:07:44
From: Robert L. Owens <mephisto(a)iland.net>

I have returned from traveling and would like to be put back on the Hannover list.

Thank you,

Robert L. Owens

Re: AW: [HN] Hedemünden OPPERMANN ORTIES BÜRMANN LA SPE KÖMEL SCH RADER

Date: 2005/03/03 09:29:33
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

Guten Morgen Reiner,
SCHRADER Schulenburg 1740 ist sicher eine andere Linie  -  Danke  für den 
Hinweis
und einen schönen Tag
Rainer

Re: [HN] königreich hannover

Date: 2005/03/03 14:46:05
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Frau Barbara,
Dank für die Information aber die Kart ist
nicht ausgebreit.
Mit freundlichem Gruss,
W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] königreich hannover


> This is a good site for Hannover, including maps.
>
> http://www.koenigreich-hannover.de/
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> on 3/2/05 1:31 AM, w.a. ridderbos at w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl wrote:
>
> > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> >
> > Ich suche auf internet eine sehr gute Karte
> > von das Königreich Hannover.
> > Weisst Jemand das?
> >
> > Mit freundlichem Gruss,
> > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande mit vieler Schee.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
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>



Re: [HN] königreich hannover

Date: 2005/03/03 14:46:57
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Frau Jahnke,
Dank für die Information aber die Kart ist
nicht ausgebreit.
Mit freundlichem Gruss,
W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] königreich hannover


> Hallo Herr Ridderbos,
>
> versuchen Sie mal:
>
> _http://www.hoeckmann.de_ (http://www.hoeckmann.de)
>
> Dort gibt es eine ganze Reihe guter Karten.
>
> Viel Erfolg!
>
> Brigitte Jahnke
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



Re: [HN] Provinces

Date: 2005/03/03 16:57:25
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
      Worms is in Hessen.

      There are so many towns named Asbach, I can't be sure which one you
are referring.  Mapquest lists 10--none of which is in Hannover. My
autoatlas lists 16 towns with the name of Asbach.  There is one Herschfeld
in Bavaria--no other listed in my autoatlas.  What does "under Cassel" mean?

     I also would like to find a mailing list for Bavaria like the Hannover
list.  There is one under genealogy.net but it is entirely in German.  Maybe
there's something else you could use:
     http://www.bavariagen.com/mailing_bbs.html

Happy hunting, 
Barbara





on 3/2/05 12:54 PM, BASchwart(a)aol.com at BASchwart(a)aol.com wrote:

> Hello list serve members,
> I have been helped so much in the past by people on here and I'm asking for
> help again.
> 
> 1. Please tell me - Is Asbach (under Cassel), Herschfeld in Hannover?  If not
> does anyone know which province it was in? Looking for Conrad Adam Justus
> Gluth born there 20 April 1858, according to oral history.
> 
> 2. Was Worms, GR in Hannover?  If not do you know which province it  was in?
> Looking for Jacob Walber, born 9 Feb 1817, according to oral  history.
> 
> 3. Does anyone know if Bavaria has a list serve like Hannover? I'm looking
> for Johann Adam Steinhauser from Ehingen, Bavaria born about 1824.
> 
> Thank you so very much. I enjoy all of your requests and the answers.
> Barb Schwarting
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] Victor Schroeder

Date: 2005/03/03 17:34:28
From: Peggy Schmidt <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>

Thank you, Erin.  I will try Babel Fish.

Peggy

Re: [HN] Provinces

Date: 2005/03/03 19:56:01
From: Jim <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>

There is a Asbach by Bad Hersfeld and it is in Hessen and it is under Cassel
(Kassel). The K and the C have been used to spell at different times during
its history.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Provinces


> Hello,
>       Worms is in Hessen.
>
>       There are so many towns named Asbach, I can't be sure which one you
> are referring.  Mapquest lists 10--none of which is in Hannover. My
> autoatlas lists 16 towns with the name of Asbach.  There is one Herschfeld
> in Bavaria--no other listed in my autoatlas.  What does "under Cassel"
mean?
>
>      I also would like to find a mailing list for Bavaria like the
Hannover
> list.  There is one under genealogy.net but it is entirely in German.
Maybe
> there's something else you could use:
>      http://www.bavariagen.com/mailing_bbs.html
>
> Happy hunting,
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
> on 3/2/05 12:54 PM, BASchwart(a)aol.com at BASchwart(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hello list serve members,
> > I have been helped so much in the past by people on here and I'm asking
for
> > help again.
> >
> > 1. Please tell me - Is Asbach (under Cassel), Herschfeld in Hannover?
If not
> > does anyone know which province it was in? Looking for Conrad Adam
Justus
> > Gluth born there 20 April 1858, according to oral history.
> >
> > 2. Was Worms, GR in Hannover?  If not do you know which province it  was
in?
> > Looking for Jacob Walber, born 9 Feb 1817, according to oral  history.
> >
> > 3. Does anyone know if Bavaria has a list serve like Hannover? I'm
looking
> > for Johann Adam Steinhauser from Ehingen, Bavaria born about 1824.
> >
> > Thank you so very much. I enjoy all of your requests and the answers.
> > Barb Schwarting
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
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Re: [HN] OERMANN

Date: 2005/03/03 20:36:49
From: J. Morley <jmorley(a)yp-connect.net>

Thankyou this is the family I have not seen this web site before? A few
things are not correct.
However  I am trying to find Ernst in Hanover?
I am not familiar with what is available in the form of German records or
how to obtain them?
Thankyou for trying to help but I really need help with the German side that
is why I joined the Hanover web site.
Thankyou for taking the time to send me an answer
Sincerely Jill in South Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] OERMANN


> Hello Jill,
>
>      Is your Oermann listed here?  It really isn't helpful as to Henry's
> birthplace.
>    http://www.geocities.com/mepnab/np/o1.html#oermann
>      There are several Oermanns listed in the German phonebook, but they
> are scattered enough not to indicate a likely birthplace.
> Good luck in your search,
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> on 2/28/05 8:10 PM, J. Morley at jmorley(a)yp-connect.net wrote:
>
> > Good afternoon, I am new to this list.
> > I am trying to find anyone who might be related to
> > Ernst Hienrich OERMANN born 1821 Hanover.
> > Henry Oerman is the name he went by in South Australia where he
emigrated to
> > around 1847. I am hoping someone might be able to tell me who his
parents
> > were?
> > Thankyou in anticipation Jill
> >
> > I
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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[HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2005/03/03 21:31:31
From: Hans H. Austermuhle <auster(a)racsa.co.cr>


Sehr geehrter Herr Mispelhorn,

Durch ein reiner Zufall fand ich Ihren freundlichen Mail bez. Utermoehlen.
Ich moechte Sie herzlichst bedanken!

Ich bedaure dass ich Ihren Mail nicht frueher entdeckt habe.

Viele freundliche Gruesse aus Costa Rica!

Hans Austermuehle
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

[HN] Bavarian Genealogy email lists

Date: 2005/03/03 21:50:05
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info>

Rootsweb has several.  Check here:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/

After you click on the list name, you'll be taken to a page with information about how to subscribe, etc. Go to the bottom of that page, and you'll see the archives that you can either browse or search. That will give you an idea of the nature of the list.

--
Mona Houser
HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/

Re: [HN] Provinces

Date: 2005/03/03 22:50:33
From: BASchwart <BASchwart(a)aol.com>

Barbara, I'm unsure what "under Cassel" means.  I think it may mean  near 
Cassel or South of Cassel.  It was written in notes from an ancestor  who is no 
longer alive. Thanks for your response.   Barb  Schwarting

Re: [HN] Provinces

Date: 2005/03/03 22:57:59
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>

R&B Stewart schrieb:

Hello,
     Worms is in Hessen.

     There are so many towns named Asbach, I can't be sure which one you
are referring.  Mapquest lists 10--none of which is in Hannover. My
autoatlas lists 16 towns with the name of Asbach.  There is one Herschfeld
in Bavaria--no other listed in my autoatlas.  What does "under Cassel" mean?

    I also would like to find a mailing list for Bavaria like the Hannover
list.  There is one under genealogy.net but it is entirely in German.  Maybe
there's something else you could use:
    http://www.bavariagen.com/mailing_bbs.html

Happy hunting, Barbara


Hello,
here some details about  Asbach:
there are really lots of Asbachs in Germany, but that one you are looking for is presumably Asbach near HERSFELD (Herschfeld is wrong). The city is called Bad Hersfeld (www.bad-hersfeld.de) und this place is southeast of Kassel. It belongs to Hessen (and always did, as far as I know). It was never part of the Kingdom of Hannover.

Worms also never belonged to Hannover. But I don`t know, what GR means. Do you have any further descripion ?
Nowadays Worms belongs to Rheinland-Pfalz, not to Hessen!


Greetings from Oldenburg,  Susanne



on 3/2/05 12:54 PM, BASchwart(a)aol.com at BASchwart(a)aol.com wrote:

Hello list serve members,
I have been helped so much in the past by people on here and I'm asking for
help again.

1. Please tell me - Is Asbach (under Cassel), Herschfeld in Hannover?  If not
does anyone know which province it was in? Looking for Conrad Adam Justus
Gluth born there 20 April 1858, according to oral history.

2. Was Worms, GR in Hannover?  If not do you know which province it  was in?
Looking for Jacob Walber, born 9 Feb 1817, according to oral  history.

3. Does anyone know if Bavaria has a list serve like Hannover? I'm looking
for Johann Adam Steinhauser from Ehingen, Bavaria born about 1824.

Thank you so very much. I enjoy all of your requests and the answers.
Barb Schwarting
_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

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Re: [HN] Provinces

Date: 2005/03/04 01:02:40
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Susanne,  
     The LDS list Worms as in Hessen.  Maybe there were boundaries that
changed?  I don't see any other Worms.  Sorry if I mislead anyone.  You
should know -- it's your country!
Barbara



on 3/3/05 2:57 PM, Susanne Schmitz at su-schmitz(a)gmx.net wrote:

> R&B Stewart schrieb:
> 
>> Hello,
>> Worms is in Hessen.
>> 
>> There are so many towns named Asbach, I can't be sure which one you
>> are referring.  Mapquest lists 10--none of which is in Hannover. My
>> autoatlas lists 16 towns with the name of Asbach.  There is one Herschfeld
>> in Bavaria--no other listed in my autoatlas.  What does "under Cassel" mean?
>> 
>> I also would like to find a mailing list for Bavaria like the Hannover
>> list.  There is one under genealogy.net but it is entirely in German.  Maybe
>> there's something else you could use:
>> http://www.bavariagen.com/mailing_bbs.html
>> 
>> Happy hunting, 
>> Barbara
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Hello,
> here some details about  Asbach:
> there are really lots of Asbachs in Germany, but that one you are
> looking for is presumably Asbach near HERSFELD
> (Herschfeld is wrong). The city is called Bad Hersfeld
> (www.bad-hersfeld.de) und this place is southeast of Kassel.
> It belongs to Hessen (and always did, as far as I know). It was never
> part of the Kingdom of Hannover.
> 
> Worms also never belonged to Hannover. But I don`t know, what GR means.
> Do you have any further descripion ?
> Nowadays Worms belongs to Rheinland-Pfalz, not to Hessen!
> 
> 
> Greetings from Oldenburg,  Susanne
> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 3/2/05 12:54 PM, BASchwart(a)aol.com at BASchwart(a)aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello list serve members,
>>> I have been helped so much in the past by people on here and I'm asking for
>>> help again.
>>> 
>>> 1. Please tell me - Is Asbach (under Cassel), Herschfeld in Hannover?  If
>>> not
>>> does anyone know which province it was in? Looking for Conrad Adam Justus
>>> Gluth born there 20 April 1858, according to oral history.
>>> 
>>> 2. Was Worms, GR in Hannover?  If not do you know which province it  was in?
>>> Looking for Jacob Walber, born 9 Feb 1817, according to oral  history.
>>> 
>>> 3. Does anyone know if Bavaria has a list serve like Hannover? I'm looking
>>> for Johann Adam Steinhauser from Ehingen, Bavaria born about 1824.
>>> 
>>> Thank you so very much. I enjoy all of your requests and the answers.
>>> Barb Schwarting
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hannover-L mailing list
>>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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[HN] Link zu Familiennamen (Daimler, Faust u.a.)

Date: 2005/03/04 09:09:11
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo Listige,

hier der heutige Verweis auf den Artikel zu Familiennamen in der "WELT":

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/03/04/604571.html

Fröhliches Suchen und vor allem Finden wünschen Euch

Susanna + Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel.
07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie


[HN] DOLL-Forschung

Date: 2005/03/04 20:06:14
From: Wilfried Doll <1951wido(a)schlundmail.de>

An alle Forscher die den Namen DOLL erforschen:
Durch verscheidene Quellen erfuhr ich, dass der Name DOLL von Hugenotten aus
der Gegend von Lyon und dem Elsaß kommt - Ableitung von Dollase. Die
Vertriebenen siedelten vor 1700 in Hamburg, Celler Raum, Schleswig-Holstein,
Mecklenburg und Ostpreussen an. Meine Forschung bezieht sich hauptsächlich
auf den Raum Mecklenburg/Brandenburg
Einige Daten kann ich gerne an Interessenten weitergeben. Ich freue mich,
wenn weitere Angaben und Erklärungen mir zugemailt werden.
Besonders was meinen Urgroßvater Heinrich, Franz Carl Wilhelm DOLL *Malchow
betrifft.

mit freundlichen Grüßen
Wilfried (Doll)


Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/03/05 09:31:22
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear R&B Stewart,

This Q is for benefit of Peggy Schmidt. Might the pronounciation of Vohrde be similar to Forde?

On another tangent...

I wonder if Sulingen is located in or near Weser-Ems?

Dear Peggy,

Do you happen to know religious denomination of your Schroeder ancestors? After arriving in New York, where did they settle?

Warmest Regards,
Barbie

I have come across the name Maria Schroeder in St. Louis. In the below record she is witness to marriage of my ancestors. Of course this is to early for your Maria I believe.

MARRIAGE EVENT: 4 Sept. 1860

1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, Film 1870935/Page 72, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA. "[Eadene] Franciscus Grotepeller fil [Jococi] Schmalhorst et Ida Kuhlage una cunc Theresia Bismeier fil Christian Bismeier et Margaretha Rehmschnier coram me infra scripto et testibus Petro Kuhlage et Maria Schroeder. Jos Weber SJ."

This record located at Genealogy in St. Louis website.  Thank you Gloria.

Baptism Shrine of ST. Joseph April 1858

REIMSCHNIEDER, Maria Catharina
11 Apr 1858 - birth
18 Apr 1858 - baptism
Johann & Anna Catharina SCHROEDER -parents
Anna Maria Schroeder & Heinrich DEGERTHOFF  - witness'

Warmest Regards,
Barbie





From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:41:08 -0700

Hello,

There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration archives as having emigrated from Sulingen. There are also names of Sofie, Dorothea,
Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German phonebook lists
several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a search for the Schroeder
name, it automatically brings up the Schröder spelling.) However, there may
be several Schröders in MANY other cities.  Schroeder is a rather common
name so it becomes difficult to know which one is your ancestor!

I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town so small to appear on any map. I have a very detailed Autoatlas of Germany and
there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index.  However,
there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name of Vohrde.

     I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more numerous.
That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the archives, but
since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to do that.  You could
also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS has.  And then, there's a
possiblity this may have not anything to do with your ancestors!

Good luck,
Barbara





on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:

> I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who > came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family
> members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
>
> According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the > ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in > Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was > born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I > would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

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Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/03/05 09:32:24
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear R&B Stewart,

This Q is for benefit of Peggy Schmidt. Might the pronounciation of Vohrde be similar to Forde?

On another tangent...

I wonder if Sulingen is located in or near Weser-Ems?

Dear Peggy,

Do you happen to know religious denomination of your Schroeder ancestors? After arriving in New York, where did they settle?

Warmest Regards,
Barbie

I have come across the name Maria Schroeder in St. Louis. In the below record she is witness to marriage of my ancestors. Of course this is to early for your Maria I believe.

MARRIAGE EVENT: 4 Sept. 1860

1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, Film 1870935/Page 72, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake City, Utah 84150 USA. "[Eadene] Franciscus Grotepeller fil [Jococi] Schmalhorst et Ida Kuhlage una cunc Theresia Bismeier fil Christian Bismeier et Margaretha Rehmschnier coram me infra scripto et testibus Petro Kuhlage et Maria Schroeder. Jos Weber SJ."

The following record is located at Genealogy in St. Louis website. Thank you Gloria.

Baptism Shrine of ST. Joseph April 1858

REIMSCHNIEDER, Maria Catharina
11 Apr 1858 - birth
18 Apr 1858 - baptism
Johann & Anna Catharina SCHROEDER -parents
Anna Maria Schroeder & Heinrich DEGERTHOFF  - witness'

Warmest Regards,
Barbie





From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:41:08 -0700

Hello,

There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration archives as having emigrated from Sulingen. There are also names of Sofie, Dorothea,
Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German phonebook lists
several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a search for the Schroeder
name, it automatically brings up the Schröder spelling.) However, there may
be several Schröders in MANY other cities.  Schroeder is a rather common
name so it becomes difficult to know which one is your ancestor!

I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town so small to appear on any map. I have a very detailed Autoatlas of Germany and
there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index.  However,
there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name of Vohrde.

     I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more numerous.
That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the archives, but
since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to do that.  You could
also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS has.  And then, there's a
possiblity this may have not anything to do with your ancestors!

Good luck,
Barbara





on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:

> I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who > came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family
> members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
>
> According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the > ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in > Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was > born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I > would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

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Re: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/03/05 10:25:25
From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear List, 

Sulingen is between the rivers Weser (16 miles to the east) and Ems (68
miles to the west),
but Weser-Ems as a region is Ostfriesland (East Frisia), Oldenburg and
Osnabrueck, whereas 
Sulingen within the Landkreis Diepholz (sort of county, 200 000
inhabitants on 200 000 square kilometers) 
is part of the administration district Hannover within
Niedersachsen/Lower Saxony. 
You might want to contact the Sulingen city archives, Mr. Gerhard
Buetow, Stadtarchiv, Koenigsberger Str. 15,
27232 Sulingen, email stadt(a)sulingen.de

Sincerely yours 

Falk Liebezeit

archivist of  the Landkreis Diepholz (Falk.LIebezeit(a)Diepholz.de)
archivist of the city Diepholz (Falk.Liebezeit(a)Stadt-Diepholz.de)
professional genealogist (http://www.falk-liebezeit.de)


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sat,  5 Mar 2005 09:31:12 +0100
> Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

> Dear R&B Stewart,
> 
> This Q is for benefit of Peggy Schmidt.  Might the pronounciation of
> Vohrde be similar to Forde?
> 
> On another tangent...
> 
> I wonder if Sulingen is located in or near Weser-Ems?
> 
> Dear Peggy,
> 
> Do you happen to know religious denomination of your Schroeder
> ancestors? After arriving in New York, where did they settle?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> Barbie
> 
> I have come across the name Maria Schroeder in St. Louis.  In the
> below record she is witness to marriage of my ancestors.  Of course
> this is to early for your Maria I believe.
> 
> MARRIAGE EVENT: 4 Sept. 1860
> 
> 1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records,
> Film 1870935/Page 72, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street,
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84150  USA. "[Eadene] Franciscus Grotepeller fil
> [Jococi] Schmalhorst et Ida Kuhlage una cunc Theresia Bismeier fil
> Christian Bismeier et Margaretha Rehmschnier coram me infra scripto et
> testibus Petro Kuhlage et Maria Schroeder. Jos Weber SJ."
> 
> This record located at Genealogy in St. Louis website.  Thank you
> Gloria.
> 
> Baptism Shrine of ST. Joseph April 1858
> 
> REIMSCHNIEDER, Maria Catharina
> 11 Apr 1858 - birth
> 18 Apr 1858 - baptism
> Johann & Anna Catharina SCHROEDER -parents
> Anna Maria Schroeder & Heinrich DEGERTHOFF  - witness'
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> Barbie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> > Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:41:08 -0700
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration
> > archives
> > as having emigrated from Sulingen.  There are also names of Sofie,
> > Dorothea,
> > Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German phonebook
> > lists several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a search for
> > the Schroeder name, it automatically brings up the Schröder
> > spelling.) However, there may be several Schröders in MANY other
> > cities.  Schroeder is a rather common name so it becomes difficult
> > to know which one is your ancestor! 
> > I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town
> > so
> > small to appear on any map.  I have a very detailed Autoatlas of
> > Germany and
> > there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index. 
> > However, there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name
> > of Vohrde.
> > 
> > I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
> > There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more
> > numerous.
> > That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the
> > archives, but since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to
> > do that.  You could also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS
> > has.  And then, there's a possiblity this may have not anything to
> > do with your ancestors! 
> > Good luck,
> > Barbara
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote: 
> > 
> > > I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie
> > > Schroeder 
> > who
> > > came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and
> > > other 
> > family
> > > members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > > 
> > > According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21,
> > > 1873 
> > on the
> > > ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family
> > > origin 
> > in
> > > Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie
> > > mentioned she 
> > was
> > > born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this
> > > time.
> > > 
> > I
> > > would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of
> > > this 
> > family.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
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Re: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/03/05 10:27:20
From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear cactus flower, 

You would not hear a difference between Vohrde and Forde.

Greetings

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz 

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sat,  5 Mar 2005 09:31:12 +0100
> Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

> Dear R&B Stewart,
> 
> This Q is for benefit of Peggy Schmidt.  Might the pronounciation of
> Vohrde be similar to Forde?
> 
> On another tangent...
> 
> I wonder if Sulingen is located in or near Weser-Ems?
> 
> Dear Peggy,
> 
> Do you happen to know religious denomination of your Schroeder
> ancestors? After arriving in New York, where did they settle?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> Barbie
> 
> I have come across the name Maria Schroeder in St. Louis.  In the
> below record she is witness to marriage of my ancestors.  Of course
> this is to early for your Maria I believe.
> 
> MARRIAGE EVENT: 4 Sept. 1860
> 
> 1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records,
> Film 1870935/Page 72, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street,
> Salt Lake City, Utah 84150  USA. "[Eadene] Franciscus Grotepeller fil
> [Jococi] Schmalhorst et Ida Kuhlage una cunc Theresia Bismeier fil
> Christian Bismeier et Margaretha Rehmschnier coram me infra scripto et
> testibus Petro Kuhlage et Maria Schroeder. Jos Weber SJ."
> 
> This record located at Genealogy in St. Louis website.  Thank you
> Gloria.
> 
> Baptism Shrine of ST. Joseph April 1858
> 
> REIMSCHNIEDER, Maria Catharina
> 11 Apr 1858 - birth
> 18 Apr 1858 - baptism
> Johann & Anna Catharina SCHROEDER -parents
> Anna Maria Schroeder & Heinrich DEGERTHOFF  - witness'
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> Barbie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> > Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:41:08 -0700
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration
> > archives
> > as having emigrated from Sulingen.  There are also names of Sofie,
> > Dorothea,
> > Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German phonebook
> > lists several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a search for
> > the Schroeder name, it automatically brings up the Schröder
> > spelling.) However, there may be several Schröders in MANY other
> > cities.  Schroeder is a rather common name so it becomes difficult
> > to know which one is your ancestor! 
> > I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town
> > so
> > small to appear on any map.  I have a very detailed Autoatlas of
> > Germany and
> > there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index. 
> > However, there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name
> > of Vohrde.
> > 
> > I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
> > There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more
> > numerous.
> > That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the
> > archives, but since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to
> > do that.  You could also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS
> > has.  And then, there's a possiblity this may have not anything to
> > do with your ancestors! 
> > Good luck,
> > Barbara
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote: 
> > 
> > > I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie
> > > Schroeder 
> > who
> > > came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and
> > > other 
> > family
> > > members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > > 
> > > According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21,
> > > 1873 
> > on the
> > > ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family
> > > origin 
> > in
> > > Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie
> > > mentioned she 
> > was
> > > born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this
> > > time.
> > > 
> > I
> > > would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of
> > > this 
> > family.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
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[HN] Forschung im Eichsfeld Dingelstedt

Date: 2005/03/05 11:59:33
From: Hagemann2702 <Hagemann2702(a)aol.com>

Guten Tag,
 
kann mir jeman von Ihnen sagen, welche Liste für das Eichsfeld bgenau  gesagt 
für Dingelstedt zuständig ist, bzw wer in diesem Ort forscht.
 
MfG
Uwe  Hagemann
37574 Einbeck

Re: [HN] Forschung im Eichsfeld Dingelstedt- att. mr hagemann

Date: 2005/03/05 13:32:29
From: Yvonne Marshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

To herr Hagemann from Einbeck'

Do you speak or read English Mr hagemann please ? I have some questions about EINBECK to ask you.

Yvonne in Australia

AW: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/03/05 14:32:45
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

And Victor might point towards the region, 
Nearby (15 miles NW) town Bassum (with a lutheran nunnery still in
existence, founded in 865) church has the patrons Saint Mauritius (Maurice
or Morris) and Saint VICTOR,
Victor even was developped into a family name VITTER. 

Greetings from Diepholz     

Falk Liebezeit 
http://www.falk-liebezeit.de

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Cactus Flower
Gesendet: Samstag, 5. März 2005 09:31
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Dear R&B Stewart,

This Q is for benefit of Peggy Schmidt.  Might the pronounciation of Vohrde
be similar to Forde?

On another tangent...

I wonder if Sulingen is located in or near Weser-Ems?

Dear Peggy,

Do you happen to know religious denomination of your Schroeder ancestors?  
After arriving in New York, where did they settle?

Warmest Regards,
Barbie

I have come across the name Maria Schroeder in St. Louis.  In the below
record she is witness to marriage of my ancestors.  Of course this is to
early for your Maria I believe.

MARRIAGE EVENT: 4 Sept. 1860

1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, Film
1870935/Page 72, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake
City, Utah 84150  USA. "[Eadene] Franciscus Grotepeller fil [Jococi]
Schmalhorst et Ida Kuhlage una cunc Theresia Bismeier fil Christian Bismeier
et Margaretha Rehmschnier coram me infra scripto et testibus Petro Kuhlage
et Maria Schroeder. Jos Weber SJ."

This record located at Genealogy in St. Louis website.  Thank you Gloria.

Baptism Shrine of ST. Joseph April 1858

REIMSCHNIEDER, Maria Catharina
11 Apr 1858 - birth
18 Apr 1858 - baptism
Johann & Anna Catharina SCHROEDER -parents Anna Maria Schroeder & Heinrich
DEGERTHOFF  - witness'

Warmest Regards,
Barbie





>From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
>Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:41:08 -0700
>
>Hello,
>
>       There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration 
>archives as having emigrated from Sulingen.  There are also names of 
>Sofie, Dorothea, Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German 
>phonebook lists several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a 
>search for the Schroeder name, it automatically brings up the Schröder 
>spelling.) However, there may be several Schröders in MANY other 
>cities.  Schroeder is a rather common name so it becomes difficult to 
>know which one is your ancestor!
>
>      I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a 
>town so small to appear on any map.  I have a very detailed Autoatlas 
>of Germany and there are very small towns on the map not listed in the 
>index.  However, there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the 
>name of Vohrde.
>
>      I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
>There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more numerous.
>That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the archives, 
>but since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to do that.  
>You could also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS has.  And 
>then, there's a possiblity this may have not anything to do with your
ancestors!
>
>Good luck,
>Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
>on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:
>
> > I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie 
> > Schroeder
>who
> > came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and 
> > other
>family
> > members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> >
> > According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 
> > 1873
>on the
> > ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family 
> > origin
>in
> > Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned 
> > she
>was
> > born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.

>I
> > would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of 
> > this
>family.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
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Re: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/03/05 19:14:03
From: Peggy Schmidt <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>

Thank you for the good information concerning Sulingen. I will follow your advice. Thanks.
Peggy Schmidt
----- Original Message ----- From: <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family


Dear List,

Sulingen is between the rivers Weser (16 miles to the east) and Ems (68
miles to the west),
but Weser-Ems as a region is Ostfriesland (East Frisia), Oldenburg and
Osnabrueck, whereas
Sulingen within the Landkreis Diepholz (sort of county, 200 000
inhabitants on 200 000 square kilometers)
is part of the administration district Hannover within
Niedersachsen/Lower Saxony.
You might want to contact the Sulingen city archives, Mr. Gerhard
Buetow, Stadtarchiv, Koenigsberger Str. 15,
27232 Sulingen, email stadt(a)sulingen.de

Sincerely yours

Falk Liebezeit

archivist of  the Landkreis Diepholz (Falk.LIebezeit(a)Diepholz.de)
archivist of the city Diepholz (Falk.Liebezeit(a)Stadt-Diepholz.de)
professional genealogist (http://www.falk-liebezeit.de)


-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat,  5 Mar 2005 09:31:12 +0100
Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

Dear R&B Stewart,

This Q is for benefit of Peggy Schmidt.  Might the pronounciation of
Vohrde be similar to Forde?

On another tangent...

I wonder if Sulingen is located in or near Weser-Ems?

Dear Peggy,

Do you happen to know religious denomination of your Schroeder
ancestors? After arriving in New York, where did they settle?

Warmest Regards,
Barbie

I have come across the name Maria Schroeder in St. Louis.  In the
below record she is witness to marriage of my ancestors.  Of course
this is to early for your Maria I believe.

MARRIAGE EVENT: 4 Sept. 1860

1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records,
Film 1870935/Page 72, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street,
Salt Lake City, Utah 84150  USA. "[Eadene] Franciscus Grotepeller fil
[Jococi] Schmalhorst et Ida Kuhlage una cunc Theresia Bismeier fil
Christian Bismeier et Margaretha Rehmschnier coram me infra scripto et
testibus Petro Kuhlage et Maria Schroeder. Jos Weber SJ."

This record located at Genealogy in St. Louis website.  Thank you
Gloria.

Baptism Shrine of ST. Joseph April 1858

REIMSCHNIEDER, Maria Catharina
11 Apr 1858 - birth
18 Apr 1858 - baptism
Johann & Anna Catharina SCHROEDER -parents
Anna Maria Schroeder & Heinrich DEGERTHOFF  - witness'

Warmest Regards,
Barbie






> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:41:08 -0700
>
> Hello,
>
> There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration
> archives
> as having emigrated from Sulingen.  There are also names of Sofie,
> Dorothea,
> Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German phonebook
> lists several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a search for
> the Schroeder name, it automatically brings up the Schröder
> spelling.) However, there may be several Schröders in MANY other
> cities.  Schroeder is a rather common name so it becomes difficult
> to know which one is your ancestor!
> I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town
> so
> small to appear on any map.  I have a very detailed Autoatlas of
> Germany and
> there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index.
> However, there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name
> of Vohrde.
>
> I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
> There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more
> numerous.
> That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the
> archives, but since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to
> do that.  You could also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS
> has.  And then, there's a possiblity this may have not anything to
> do with your ancestors!
> Good luck,
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
> on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:
>
> > I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie
> > Schroeder
> who
> > came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and
> > other
> family
> > members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> >
> > According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21,
> > 1873
> on the
> > ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family
> > origin
> in
> > Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie
> > mentioned she
> was
> > born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this
> > time.
> >
> I
> > would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of
> > this
> family.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


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Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/03/05 19:15:58
From: Peggy Schmidt <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>

This is getting exciting. We visited in the area years ago but had no specific information about the Schroeder family at that time. We were researching other relatives at Diensen & Marinhagen, Borstel & Buren, etc. on my mother's side. Blessings to you all.
Thanks.
Peggy
----- Original Message ----- From: <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:32 AM
Subject: AW: [HN] Victor Schroeder family


And Victor might point towards the region,
Nearby (15 miles NW) town Bassum (with a lutheran nunnery still in
existence, founded in 865) church has the patrons Saint Mauritius (Maurice
or Morris) and Saint VICTOR,
Victor even was developped into a family name VITTER.

Greetings from Diepholz

Falk Liebezeit
http://www.falk-liebezeit.de

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Cactus Flower
Gesendet: Samstag, 5. März 2005 09:31
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Dear R&B Stewart,

This Q is for benefit of Peggy Schmidt.  Might the pronounciation of Vohrde
be similar to Forde?

On another tangent...

I wonder if Sulingen is located in or near Weser-Ems?

Dear Peggy,

Do you happen to know religious denomination of your Schroeder ancestors?
After arriving in New York, where did they settle?

Warmest Regards,
Barbie

I have come across the name Maria Schroeder in St. Louis.  In the below
record she is witness to marriage of my ancestors.  Of course this is to
early for your Maria I believe.

MARRIAGE EVENT: 4 Sept. 1860

1. Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, Film
1870935/Page 72, Family History Library, 35 N West Temple Street, Salt Lake
City, Utah 84150  USA. "[Eadene] Franciscus Grotepeller fil [Jococi]
Schmalhorst et Ida Kuhlage una cunc Theresia Bismeier fil Christian Bismeier
et Margaretha Rehmschnier coram me infra scripto et testibus Petro Kuhlage
et Maria Schroeder. Jos Weber SJ."

This record located at Genealogy in St. Louis website.  Thank you Gloria.

Baptism Shrine of ST. Joseph April 1858

REIMSCHNIEDER, Maria Catharina
11 Apr 1858 - birth
18 Apr 1858 - baptism
Johann & Anna Catharina SCHROEDER -parents Anna Maria Schroeder & Heinrich
DEGERTHOFF  - witness'

Warmest Regards,
Barbie





From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:41:08 -0700

Hello,

      There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration
archives as having emigrated from Sulingen.  There are also names of
Sofie, Dorothea, Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German
phonebook lists several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a
search for the Schroeder name, it automatically brings up the Schröder
spelling.) However, there may be several Schröders in MANY other
cities.  Schroeder is a rather common name so it becomes difficult to
know which one is your ancestor!

     I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a
town so small to appear on any map.  I have a very detailed Autoatlas
of Germany and there are very small towns on the map not listed in the
index.  However, there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the
name of Vohrde.

     I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more numerous.
That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the archives,
but since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to do that.
You could also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS has.  And
then, there's a possiblity this may have not anything to do with your
ancestors!

Good luck,
Barbara





on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:

> I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie
> Schroeder
who
> came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and
> other
family
> members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
>
> According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21,
> 1873
on the
> ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family
> origin
in
> Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned
> she
was
> born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.

I
> would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of
> this
family.
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

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[HN] State of Missouri Naturalization Records website

Date: 2005/03/05 20:57:41
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear List,

In case you haven't seen this website:

http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/naturalization/#search

Try just Hannover or Hanover as Native Country.

I think I recognize surnames from this list at ^.

I found Lukas Feldhaus at this site also..??? There are only 000's? Not sure what that means. I am guessing means little data available.

Warmest Regards,
Barbie
St. Louis



[HN] Vortrag zur Entstehung u. Deutung von Personen- u. Hofnamen am 12. Maerz

Date: 2005/03/06 11:13:28
From: Womartens <Womartens(a)aol.com>

Liebe Mitglieder und Freunde der Genealogie !

Die Oldenburgische Gesellschaft für Familienkunde e.V. laedt ein zum 396. 
Vortrag, der am Sonnabend den 12. März 2005 um 16.00 Uhr im Vortragsraum vom 
Staatsarchiv Oldenburg  (Damm 43, 26135 Oldenburg)  stattfindet, der Eintritt ist 
frei.

Der Referent ist Johann Lueschen aus Zetel, der folgendes Thema behandelt:
"Die Entstehung und Deutung von Personen- und Hofnamen am Beispiel Edewecht".

Als Familiengeschichtsforscher beschaeftigt man sich staendig mit Vornamen, 
Familiennamen und Hofnamen. Welche Bedeutung haben sie? Wie sind sie 
entstanden? Gibt es Gesetzmaessigkeiten bei der Vornamensgebung? Wie ist es mit der 
"Patronymischen Namensgebung"? Was sind Leitnamen? Was hat es mit "Haensel und 
Gretel" und "Hinz und Kunz" auf sich?

Der Referent hat sich in über 25 Jahren mit den Kirchenbüchern der Gemeinde 
Edewecht beschäftigt und mehrfach darüber berichtet. In diesem Vortrag geht es 
um Edewechter Namen. Dabei soll verdeutlicht werden, wie wichtig und 
aufschlussreich es ist, wenn sich Forscher mit der Entstehung und Bedeutung der Namen 
auskennen. 

Edewecht ist dafür ein gutes Beispiel, weil hier die Kirchenbuecher bis 1636 
zurueckreichen und für die Zeit davor viele Urkunden zur Verfuegung stehen.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen
Wolfgang Martens
www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de




[HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim?

Date: 2005/03/06 16:56:40
From: pppgj <pppgj(a)T-Online.de>

Erneuter Versuch:

Liebe Liste,

Am 28.8.1793 stirbt in Brüggen der Justizamtmann zu Brüggen und Wispenstein JOHANN GOTTFRIED (auch Georg Friedrich) BOCK, 67 Jahre alt, hinterlässt Gattin und 4 majorenne Kinder.

Johann Gottfried dürfte also un 1726 geboren worden sein, nur WO?

Bei den Geburten seiner Kinder in Brüggen sind keine Paten eingetragen, die Aufschluss auf seine Herkunft geben, auch findet sich in Brüggen nicht die Hochzeit mit Ilse Maria BONSEN, obgleich sie die Tochter des Amtsvorgängers von Johann Gottfried, Zacharias Christoph Bonsen war.

Im Gräflich v. Steiberg'schen Archiv in Brüggen finden sich (bisher) keine Bestallungsurkunden oder sonstige Unterlagen, die Aufschluss über die Herkunft von Johann Gottfried geben, und im Funke: Churhannoversche Beamte, gibt es eine falsche Zuordnung.

Die Matrikel der umliegenden Universitäten sind auch überprüft: kein Hinweis!

Langsam also bin ich mit meinem Latein am Ende- hat jemand noch einen Tipp für mich?

Oder forscht jemand zum Namen Bock in Niedersachsen und hat in seinen Unterlagen die Geburt eines Joh. Gottfried um 1726?

Über jeden Hinweis würde ich mich sehr freuen!

Dank und Gruß

Peter Paul Pansing


[HN] HANTELMANN Hannover-Northeim

Date: 2005/03/06 16:57:44
From: pppgj <pppgj(a)T-Online.de>

Liebe User,

am 20.8.1755 stirbt in Hannover GOTTLIEB HEINRICH FRIEDRICH AUGUST HANTELMANN, Ratsweinschenker.

Auch bei seiner Hochzeit in Hannover 1.3.1745 gibt es keine Angaben zu seinen Eltern oder seiner Herkunft, und auch der Eintrag zum Bürgereid gibt keine weiteren Herkunftsangaben.

28.1.1721 allerdings wird in Northeim ein Gottlieb Heinrich Hantelmann getauft, Sohn des (Joh.) Günther Hantelmann, lt dessen Traueintrag 1.9.1714 Northeim mit Johanna Dorothea TROST ein Fähnrich.

Anhand der Pateneinträge weiterer Kinder scheint die Familie aus Hameln zu stammen.

Forscht jemand zur Familie Hantelmann? Hat jemand Tipps, wie man feststellen kann, ob der hannoversche Ratsweinschenker der in Northeim geborene Hantelmann ist?

Über jede Hilfe würde ich mich sehr freuen! 

__________________
Beste Grüße aus Berlin,
Peter Paul Pansing



[HN] BONSEN Brüggen-Wispenstein

Date: 2005/03/06 16:59:47
From: pppgj <pppgj(a)T-Online.de>

Zacharias Christoph BONSEN war ab 1710 Sekretarius, später Amtmann der Steinberg'schen Güter Brüggen und Wispenstein; dort, in Brüggen, ist er um 1757/8 verstorben. Kirchenbücher fehlen für diesen Zeitraum.

Zacharias war mit ziemlicher Sicherheit evangelisch, bei familysearch finde ich nur katholische Bonsens aus Westfalen...

Hat jemand eine Idee zu weiteren Namensvorkommen, außer denen in Schleswig-Holstein?

Freue mich über jede Hilfe, 

__________________
Beste Grüße aus Berlin,
Peter Paul Pansing



[HN] (no subject)

Date: 2005/03/06 17:22:54
From: DKnoepfel <DKnoepfel(a)aol.com>

Liebe Liste

Does anyone know if Landsberg, Hannover and Landsbergen, Hannover could be 
the same place?  I have family from Hannover (name of Wesemann) and I find both 
towns mentioned.  

Thanks for any help.
Don Knoepfel

Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim?

Date: 2005/03/06 17:46:07
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hi,

ich bin zwar nicht mir dem Namen befasst, aber es gibt eine Familie "Bock von Wülfingen" (bei Elze). Immerhin liegt das in der Umgebung von Brüggen und die Familie war sicher "standesgemäß". Vermutlich aber ist das auch nur ein Strohhalm zum Festhalten. Viel Erfolg!

Erika (Giftge)

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Subject: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim?


Erneuter Versuch:

Liebe Liste,

Am 28.8.1793 stirbt in Brüggen der Justizamtmann zu Brüggen und Wispenstein JOHANN GOTTFRIED (auch Georg Friedrich) BOCK, 67 Jahre alt, hinterlässt Gattin und 4 majorenne Kinder.

Johann Gottfried dürfte also un 1726 geboren worden sein, nur WO?

Bei den Geburten seiner Kinder in Brüggen sind keine Paten eingetragen, die Aufschluss auf seine Herkunft geben, auch findet sich in Brüggen nicht die Hochzeit mit Ilse Maria BONSEN, obgleich sie die Tochter des Amtsvorgängers von Johann Gottfried, Zacharias Christoph Bonsen war.

Im Gräflich v. Steiberg'schen Archiv in Brüggen finden sich (bisher) keine Bestallungsurkunden oder sonstige Unterlagen, die Aufschluss über die Herkunft von Johann Gottfried geben, und im Funke: Churhannoversche Beamte, gibt es eine falsche Zuordnung.

Die Matrikel der umliegenden Universitäten sind auch überprüft: kein Hinweis!

Langsam also bin ich mit meinem Latein am Ende- hat jemand noch einen Tipp für mich?

Oder forscht jemand zum Namen Bock in Niedersachsen und hat in seinen Unterlagen die Geburt eines Joh. Gottfried um 1726?

Über jeden Hinweis würde ich mich sehr freuen!

Dank und Gruß

Peter Paul Pansing

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Re: [HN] (no subject)

Date: 2005/03/06 18:30:11
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>

DKnoepfel(a)aol.com schrieb:

Liebe Liste

Does anyone know if Landsberg, Hannover and Landsbergen, Hannover could be the same place? I have family from Hannover (name of Wesemann) and I find both towns mentioned.
Hallo Don,
the place is called Landesbergen and lies south of Nienburg directly near the river Weser.
The other "Landsberg" in Germany didn´t belong to Hannover.

Greeting
Susanne


Re: [HN] (no subject)

Date: 2005/03/07 00:32:54
From: DKnoepfel <DKnoepfel(a)aol.com>

Hallo Susanne -

vielen Dank

Don Knoepfel

[HN] Gesmold

Date: 2005/03/07 03:48:30
From: Gary Stoltman <stopan(a)optonline.net>

List:

Are any members familiar with Gesmold - a small  town (abt. 3,000) just southwest of Osnabrück?
I am looking for STOLTMANN, NUNNENKAMP, FISCHER und SPECHT families prior to 1880.

Thanks

Gary Stoltman
Mercerville, NJ

OR

Liste:

Sind irgendeine Mitglieder die vertraut sind mit Gesmold - einer kleinen Stadt (abt. 3.000) nur Südwesten von Osnabrück? Ich suche STOLTMANN, NUNNENKAMP, FISCHER und SPECHT Familien vor 1880. 

Dank

Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ


Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bock von Wülfingen

Date: 2005/03/07 08:26:34
From: Sascha Filpe <Filpe(a)web.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Pansing,

ich forsche nach dem Namen BOCK im Raum Salzgitter. Meine BOCK-Vorfahren kamen allerdings erst nach dem 1.WK nach Elze (Kreis Hildesheim). Allerdings habe ich auf meiner Website  www.bock-aus-gitter.de.tt  für Sie evtl. Interessante Links, wie z.B. www.heimatbund-wuelfingen.de , wo man über das Adelsgeschlecht BOCK VON WÜLFINGEN einiges erfahren kann. Diese Familie war in Wülfingen, Poppenburg und Elze sehr etabliert. Ich lieh mir auch schon diverse Literatur zu diesem Adelsgeschlecht, wo die Entstehung, das Wirken und die Stammbäume genau dargelegt werden. Sie finden unter www.hobsy.de eine Suchfunktion des Hannoverschen Bibliothekenverbunds und bekommen unter dem Suchwort "Bock von Wülfingen" folgende Literatur angeboten, die in der Leibniz-Bibliothek Hannover (ehemalige Niedersächsische Landesbibliothek www.nlb-hannove.de) zu entleihen sind:

1. Die Bock von Wülfingen
    / Jürgen Huck. - Hannover : Hahn, 2000- 

2. Die Bock von Wülfingen / Teil 1 / Allgemeines sowie Wachsen des Geschlechts : 1175 - 1583
   / Jürgen Huck. - 2000

3. Geschichte der Bock von Wülfingen
    / Georg W. Bock von Wülfingen. - 1896 

4. Die Grafen von Poppenburg und ihre agnatische[n] Beziehungen zu dem Uradelsgeschlechte derer von Wülfingen, später Bock von Wülfingen genannt

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Sascha Filpe


Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> schrieb am 06.03.05 16:57:05:
> 
> Erneuter Versuch:
> 
> Liebe Liste,
> 
> Am 28.8.1793 stirbt in Brüggen der Justizamtmann zu Brüggen und Wispenstein JOHANN GOTTFRIED (auch Georg Friedrich) BOCK, 67 Jahre alt, hinterlässt Gattin und 4 majorenne Kinder.
> 
> Johann Gottfried dürfte also un 1726 geboren worden sein, nur WO?
> 
> Bei den Geburten seiner Kinder in Brüggen sind keine Paten eingetragen, die Aufschluss auf seine Herkunft geben, auch findet sich in Brüggen nicht die Hochzeit mit Ilse Maria BONSEN, obgleich sie die Tochter des Amtsvorgängers von Johann Gottfried, Zacharias Christoph Bonsen war.
> 
> Im Gräflich v. Steiberg'schen Archiv in Brüggen finden sich (bisher) keine Bestallungsurkunden oder sonstige Unterlagen, die Aufschluss über die Herkunft von Johann Gottfried geben, und im Funke: Churhannoversche Beamte, gibt es eine falsche Zuordnung.
> 
> Die Matrikel der umliegenden Universitäten sind auch überprüft: kein Hinweis!
> 
> Langsam also bin ich mit meinem Latein am Ende- hat jemand noch einen Tipp für mich?
> 
> Oder forscht jemand zum Namen Bock in Niedersachsen und hat in seinen Unterlagen die Geburt eines Joh. Gottfried um 1726?
> 
> Über jeden Hinweis würde ich mich sehr freuen!
> 
> Dank und Gruß
> 
> Peter Paul Pansing 
> 
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Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bock von Wülfingen

Date: 2005/03/07 14:55:22
From: pppgj <pppgj(a)T-Online.de>

Liebe Erika, lieber Sascha,

herzlichen Dank für die Hinweise!
Da so gar nichts über diese Amtmannfamilie zu finden ist, habe ich auch schon über eine illegitime Abstammung von den Bock zu Wülfingen nachgedacht.
Mal sehen, ob sich in der Richtung etwas findet.

Herzliche Grüße,

Peter Paul (Pansing)


[HN] Gottschalk

Date: 2005/03/07 23:56:20
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

ello,

Don't know if help. Came across the name Gottschalk with reference to Camp Jackson (civil war) Missouri. Some of the men mentioned in this resource have streets and boulevards named after them in St. Louis City, Missouri.


http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/peckham/ch2-pt1.htm



FIFTH REGIMENT OF MISSOURI VOLUNTEERS.

(Three months' service.)

FIELD AND STAFF

Company B. — Louis Gottschalk,

&


SECOND REGIMENT UNITED STATES RESERVE CORPS.

(Three months' service.)

FIELD AND STAFF

Charles W. Gottschalk. . . . . . Quartermaster

&

Company D. — Fred. Gottschalk, Second Lieutenant.



Warmest Regards,
Barbie

p.s. Many German-American participants in the U.S. Civil War at Camp Jackson, Missouri.

I had always hoped to find a record of an ancestor of mine mentioned....alas..so far...NOT!!! :)

I suppose my ancestors were pacifists...:)



RE: [HN] State of Missouri Naturalization Records website

Date: 2005/03/08 00:12:23
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear List,

You can also try Prussia as native country to try to locate possible Hannover family members who might have passed through St. Louis, Missouri might have requested naturalization in St. Louis City, but may have actually resided across the river in Illinois.

Warmest Regards,
Barbie

From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] State of Missouri Naturalization Records website
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:57:23 -0600

Dear List,

In case you haven't seen this website:

http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/naturalization/#search

Try just Hannover or Hanover as Native Country.

I think I recognize surnames from this list at ^.

I found Lukas Feldhaus at this site also..??? There are only 000's? Not sure what that means. I am guessing means little data available.

Warmest Regards,
Barbie
St. Louis


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Re: [HN] State of Missouri Naturalization Records website

Date: 2005/03/08 07:24:36
From: Jürgen E . W . Meyer <jew.meyer(a)online.de>

Dear Cactus Flower,
Thank you for informing about this wonderful link.
Juergen
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Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:12 AM
Subject: RE: [HN] State of Missouri Naturalization Records website


Dear List,

You can also try Prussia as native country to try to locate possible Hannover family members who might have passed through St. Louis, Missouri might have requested naturalization in St. Louis City, but may have actually resided across the river in Illinois.

Warmest Regards,
Barbie

From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] State of Missouri Naturalization Records website
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:57:23 -0600

Dear List,

In case you haven't seen this website:

http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/naturalization/#search

Try just Hannover or Hanover as Native Country.

I think I recognize surnames from this list at ^.

I found Lukas Feldhaus at this site also..??? There are only 000's? Not sure what that means. I am guessing means little data available.

Warmest Regards,
Barbie
St. Louis


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[HN] Hilfe

Date: 2005/03/08 11:01:00
From: Herbert Giesemann web <Herbert.Giesemann(a)web.de>

Ich hatte Kontakt mit Marion Reckewell, aber die eMail Adresse stimmt nicht mehr.

Kann hier jemand helfen ??

Gruß

Herbert

[HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/08 12:09:25
From: Laurie Hanson <hanno(a)melbpc.org.au>

In 1853 Welehelm Christopher Friedrich Von Finteln was the only Von Finteln to come to Australia, I am seeking information regarding his parents and any other family. His parents were Peter Von Finteln and Katherine Maria Behman, they are said to have lived in Schustachen Hanover Germany.  Any information would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Laurie Hanson

Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bock von Wülfingen

Date: 2005/03/08 18:27:37
From: Heinrich Munk <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo Peter Paul, hast Du schon mal in Bodenburg angefragt bei der Familie von Cramm? Es gab zahlreiche  Briefe an den Amtmann Bock in Brüggen aus Bodenburg, ich habe im letzten Jahr meine beiden letzten Briefe an den Amtmannn Bock, die in Bodenburg abgestempelt waren, leider verkauft, hast Du das Kirchenbuch von Brüggen, welches ziemlich lückenhaft ist, selbst eingesehen? Alles Gute Heinrich
<pppgj(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
> 
> Liebe Erika, lieber Sascha,
> 
> herzlichen Dank für die Hinweise!
> Da so gar nichts über diese Amtmannfamilie zu finden ist, habe ich auch schon über eine illegitime Abstammung von den Bock zu Wülfingen nachgedacht.
> Mal sehen, ob sich in der Richtung etwas findet.
> 
> Herzliche Grüße,
> 
> Peter Paul (Pansing)
> 
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Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/08 21:07:10
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Laurie,

      You have a tough search there.  I would guess that Schustachen is not
spelled correctly or is a very small village that may not be listed in the
index  of towns.  I have a very detailed autoatlas which usually shows very
small towns, but I cannot find a town matching Schustachen.

    Von Finteln is not a common name, as you know.  There is no one with
that name in the  German phonebook today.  The only clue I can find is in a
search on the LDS webpage (www.familysearch.org).  There is a woman listed
there by the name of:
    ENGEL MAGDALENA LOTTE VON FINTELN
    Christening: 01 APR 1849 Evangelisch, Wolterdingen, Hannover, Preussen.

   Wolterdingen is south of Hamburg, to the east of Highway 7, south of
Schneverdingen (near Road 3).  There are so many small villages in that
area, but I just can't see one spelled like Schustachen.  There is a
Schatensen further east.

    If I were you, I would check the LDS (Mormon) records. Do you have
access to a LDS (Mormon) library center? You can order microfilms and view
the records that way.  There are records for Wolterdingen:

   Kirchenbuch, 1715-1852  Evangelische Kirche Wolterdingen (Kr. Soltau)

    I would look there and see if you can find your ancestor there.

Good luck,
Barbara




on 3/8/05 4:07 AM, Laurie Hanson at hanno(a)melbpc.org.au wrote:

> Von Finteln


Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/08 23:35:23
From: ybmarshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

To Laurie Hansen -

What ship did your  family travel on to Australia in 1853 ?

If you know that , have a look at the passenger list for  details of other peoples home areas - maybe they all came from same area  to work at setting up wine areas in OZ.

The Hunter Valley was a bit of a "sponge" for Germans to do this , as was Sth Aust of course.

Good luck - yvonne in melbourne .
researching  SCHRADER in Australia and  Hannover [ Osterode am harz areas.]

Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 03:57:50
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hello Laurie,
I have to agree with Barbara. Schustachen does not seem to be a town I can find. I did an Advanced Google and the only hits I got came from this discussion on this list.

Maybe you can give the list the phonetic sound of the name. There can be interchanges of s z, d t etc. Then you have the possibility that it is Plattedeutsch, which is a possibility around Hanover.

Not much help am I?

Gale

Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 05:16:42
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Laurie,

     Upon further research, I found that there are many persons with the
name of Von Fintel (no "n") listed in the German phonebook as well as Fintel
alone. That could very well be a variation of the spelling of Finteln. A
change in spelling is extremely common in Germany.
    If you check the LDS site (www.familysearch,org) and search for the name
of Fintel, you will find many entries with Fintel or von Fintel as the name.
Many come from the town of Fintel, which is in the same general area as
Wolterdingen.  It is west and a little north of Schneverdingen.  Others are
from the various towns in that same general area.  The LDS has church
records for the town of Fintel:

   Kirchenbuch, 1820-1905  Evangelische Kirche Fintel (Kr. Rotenburg)

     I hope you have access to a LDS center.  You may have to search in
several of those towns.

Barbara 







on 3/8/05 4:07 AM, Laurie Hanson at hanno(a)melbpc.org.au wrote:

> In 1853 Welehelm Christopher Friedrich Von Finteln was the only Von Finteln to
> come to Australia, I am seeking information regarding his parents and any
> other family. His parents were Peter Von Finteln and Katherine Maria Behman,
> they are said to have lived in Schustachen Hanover Germany.  Any information
> would be appreciated.
> Many thanks
> Laurie Hanson
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AW: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 06:23:29
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear Laurie, 

You should write to Mrs. Eva Fintelmann in Munich: 


Fintelmann, Eva	fintelmann.genealog(a)t-online.de
Korfiz-Holm-Str. 21 b
81245 München	Fax 01149-89-8112719	 
Germany

She should be able to help you as she has traced her family back to 
Fintel in the Lunenburg heath

Sincerely yours 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Laurie Hanson
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 12:08
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Von Finteln

In 1853 Welehelm Christopher Friedrich Von Finteln was the only Von Finteln
to come to Australia, I am seeking information regarding his parents and any
other family. His parents were Peter Von Finteln and Katherine Maria Behman,
they are said to have lived in Schustachen Hanover Germany.  Any information
would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Laurie Hanson
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AW: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen

Date: 2005/03/09 06:23:31
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 18:27
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen

Hallo Peter Paul, hast Du schon mal in Bodenburg angefragt bei der Familie
von Cramm? Es gab zahlreiche  Briefe an den Amtmann Bock in Brüggen aus
Bodenburg, ich habe im letzten Jahr meine beiden letzten Briefe an den
Amtmannn Bock, die in Bodenburg abgestempelt waren, leider verkauft, hast Du
das Kirchenbuch von Brüggen, welches ziemlich lückenhaft ist, selbst
eingesehen? Alles Gute Heinrich <pppgj(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
> 
> Liebe Erika, lieber Sascha,
> 
> herzlichen Dank für die Hinweise!
> Da so gar nichts über diese Amtmannfamilie zu finden ist, habe ich auch
schon über eine illegitime Abstammung von den Bock zu Wülfingen nachgedacht.
> Mal sehen, ob sich in der Richtung etwas findet.
> 
> Herzliche Grüße,
> 
> Peter Paul (Pansing)
> 
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AW: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen

Date: 2005/03/09 06:23:31
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Hallo liebe Listige, 

Muss es denn gleich verarmter (oder verkommener) Adel sein ? 
In Goslar haette ich einen Steuergehilfen Wilhelm Bock anzubieten, dessen 
Sohn Viktor Adolph Friedrich Karl, 27 J. alt.,  im Hildesheimer Dom am 23.
09. 1823  
Sophie Gertrud Kritly, 25 J., T. d. Gastwirts Kaspar Kritly heiratet.

Viktor Adolph Friedrich Karl Bock war Dr. med.

Johann Dietrich Wilhelm Bock, Wunstorf, gebuertig aus Idensen, Amt Bokeloh, 
heiratete in Duishorn am 24.06.1794 Magdalene Juliane Fiderique
Scheppelmann, 
T. d. + Cantors Christian Heinr. Scheppelmann.

Johann Dietrich Wilhelm Bock wurde am 22. 01. 1769 in Idensen geboren, der
Vater Hans Hinrich Bock, die Mutter Anne Maria Kirchmann

Vielleicht war es ja doch der Steuergehilfe und nicht gleich der Amtmann ? 

Gruss aus Diepholz
   
Falk Liebezeit

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 18:27
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen

Hallo Peter Paul, hast Du schon mal in Bodenburg angefragt bei der Familie
von Cramm? Es gab zahlreiche  Briefe an den Amtmann Bock in Brüggen aus
Bodenburg, ich habe im letzten Jahr meine beiden letzten Briefe an den
Amtmannn Bock, die in Bodenburg abgestempelt waren, leider verkauft, hast Du
das Kirchenbuch von Brüggen, welches ziemlich lückenhaft ist, selbst
eingesehen? Alles Gute Heinrich <pppgj(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
> 
> Liebe Erika, lieber Sascha,
> 
> herzlichen Dank für die Hinweise!
> Da so gar nichts über diese Amtmannfamilie zu finden ist, habe ich auch
schon über eine illegitime Abstammung von den Bock zu Wülfingen nachgedacht.
> Mal sehen, ob sich in der Richtung etwas findet.
> 
> Herzliche Grüße,
> 
> Peter Paul (Pansing)
> 
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AW: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 06:27:17
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Perhaps you want to try 

Professional genealogist in Munich: 


Fintelmann, Eva	fintelmann.genealog(a)t-online.de
Korfiz-Holm-Str. 21 b
81245 München	Fax 01149 - 89-8112719	
Germany 

Greetings 

Falk Liebezeit 
Diepholz 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Laurie Hanson
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 12:08
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Von Finteln

In 1853 Welehelm Christopher Friedrich Von Finteln was the only Von Finteln
to come to Australia, I am seeking information regarding his parents and any
other family. His parents were Peter Von Finteln and Katherine Maria Behman,
they are said to have lived in Schustachen Hanover Germany.  Any information
would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Laurie Hanson
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Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen

Date: 2005/03/09 07:51:55
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)rollanet.org>

Aber meine Vorfahren im Hildesheimer Dom heiratet.


Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



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From: <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: AW: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen


Hallo liebe Listige,

Muss es denn gleich verarmter (oder verkommener) Adel sein ?
In Goslar haette ich einen Steuergehilfen Wilhelm Bock anzubieten, dessen
Sohn Viktor Adolph Friedrich Karl, 27 J. alt.,  im Hildesheimer Dom am 23.
09. 1823
Sophie Gertrud Kritly, 25 J., T. d. Gastwirts Kaspar Kritly heiratet.

Viktor Adolph Friedrich Karl Bock war Dr. med.

Johann Dietrich Wilhelm Bock, Wunstorf, gebuertig aus Idensen, Amt Bokeloh,
heiratete in Duishorn am 24.06.1794 Magdalene Juliane Fiderique
Scheppelmann,
T. d. + Cantors Christian Heinr. Scheppelmann.

Johann Dietrich Wilhelm Bock wurde am 22. 01. 1769 in Idensen geboren, der
Vater Hans Hinrich Bock, die Mutter Anne Maria Kirchmann

Vielleicht war es ja doch der Steuergehilfe und nicht gleich der Amtmann ?

Gruss aus Diepholz

Falk Liebezeit

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 18:27
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen

Hallo Peter Paul, hast Du schon mal in Bodenburg angefragt bei der Familie
von Cramm? Es gab zahlreiche  Briefe an den Amtmann Bock in Brüggen aus
Bodenburg, ich habe im letzten Jahr meine beiden letzten Briefe an den
Amtmannn Bock, die in Bodenburg abgestempelt waren, leider verkauft, hast Du
das Kirchenbuch von Brüggen, welches ziemlich lückenhaft ist, selbst
eingesehen? Alles Gute Heinrich <pppgj(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
>
> Liebe Erika, lieber Sascha,
>
> herzlichen Dank für die Hinweise!
> Da so gar nichts über diese Amtmannfamilie zu finden ist, habe ich auch
schon über eine illegitime Abstammung von den Bock zu Wülfingen nachgedacht.
> Mal sehen, ob sich in der Richtung etwas findet.
>
> Herzliche Grüße,
>
> Peter Paul (Pansing)
>
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[HN] MEINECKE/ASSERT/GEISSLER

Date: 2005/03/09 08:58:07
From: gill buttery <g_buttery(a)hotmail.com>

hi all,
My great, great grandfather was Louis (Ludwig) MEINECKE. He was born 1831 and was living with his wife Beta in Hull, Yorkshire, England for the 1871,1881, 1891, and 1901 census.

Beta was born in Bremen in 1832, but I cannot seem to find out where Louis was born. On the censuses his birth place is stated as Andreasburg, Hanover and Osterode. Hanover I can obviously find, but where are the other places? Are they areas of Hanover?

How am I likely to find out where to find a birth certificate? How can I find out where he married Beta (Bremen seems a likely place).

I have a Johanna MEINECKE born about 1790 in Benkendein, Germany. She was also living in Hull, Yorkshire in 1871. She could be Louis mother. She lived with her grandsons, also born in Bremen named GISSLER (Geisler).

Louis' daughter Johanne Louise Gesine MEINECKE married a fellow German, but in London, England in 1874. She married Adolf Bernart ASSERT of Oelse. Where abouts is this place?

I am sorry for all the questions. But if anyone has any information about any of these names I would be very grateful.

Thank you



Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 09:12:38
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de>


"Laurie Hanson" <hanno(a)melbpc.org.au> schrieb:
> In 1853 Welehelm Christopher Friedrich Von Finteln was the only Von Finteln to come to Australia, I am seeking information regarding his parents and any other family. His parents were Peter Von Finteln and Katherine Maria Behman, they are said to have lived in Schustachen Hanover Germany.  Any information would be appreciated.
> Many thanks
> Laurie Hanson

Hello Laurie Hanson,

some time ago I had contact with South-African von FINTEL by the closed list for members of the Lower Saxony Genealogists. He was very helpful with dates about bearers of my name ALBERS, who went there together with von FINTEL for purposes of the Hermannsburg Mission. Perhaps you will find contact by genealogy.net going on the sites for the research contacts. Unfortunately I cannot find back the e-mail adress quickly, but will further your interest to the other list.

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Liebe Forscherfreunde der Niedersachsenliste,

Frau Laurie Hanson aus Australien sucht Kontakt zu von FINTEL-Forschern, vielleicht kann Herr von FINTELN aus Süd-Afrika, der über die Niedersachsen-Liste früher recht hilfreich war, hier weiterhelfen.

mit besten Grüßen      Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 10:42:36
From: Laurie Hanson <hanno(a)melbpc.org.au>

Hello Hans
Thank you for the email, I will follow up and hope for the best
Regards
Laurie Hanson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Peter Albers" <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <NLF(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Von Finteln




"Laurie Hanson" <hanno(a)melbpc.org.au> schrieb:
> In 1853 Welehelm Christopher Friedrich Von Finteln was the only Von
Finteln to come to Australia, I am seeking information regarding his parents
and any other family. His parents were Peter Von Finteln and Katherine Maria
Behman, they are said to have lived in Schustachen Hanover Germany.  Any
information would be appreciated.
> Many thanks
> Laurie Hanson

Hello Laurie Hanson,

some time ago I had contact with South-African von FINTEL by the closed list
for members of the Lower Saxony Genealogists. He was very helpful with dates
about bearers of my name ALBERS, who went there together with von FINTEL for
purposes of the Hermannsburg Mission. Perhaps you will find contact by
genealogy.net going on the sites for the research contacts. Unfortunately I
cannot find back the e-mail adress quickly, but will further your interest
to the other list.

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Liebe Forscherfreunde der Niedersachsenliste,

Frau Laurie Hanson aus Australien sucht Kontakt zu von FINTEL-Forschern,
vielleicht kann Herr von FINTELN aus Süd-Afrika, der über die
Niedersachsen-Liste früher recht hilfreich war, hier weiterhelfen.

mit besten Grüßen      Hans Peter Albers


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Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 10:49:24
From: Laurie Hanson <hanno(a)melbpc.org.au>

Hi Barbara
Thank for the email, I have tried some of the suggestions, however I will
keep trying.
Regards
Laurie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Von Finteln


Hi Laurie,

     Upon further research, I found that there are many persons with the
name of Von Fintel (no "n") listed in the German phonebook as well as Fintel
alone. That could very well be a variation of the spelling of Finteln. A
change in spelling is extremely common in Germany.
    If you check the LDS site (www.familysearch,org) and search for the name
of Fintel, you will find many entries with Fintel or von Fintel as the name.
Many come from the town of Fintel, which is in the same general area as
Wolterdingen.  It is west and a little north of Schneverdingen.  Others are
from the various towns in that same general area.  The LDS has church
records for the town of Fintel:

   Kirchenbuch, 1820-1905 Evangelische Kirche Fintel (Kr. Rotenburg)

     I hope you have access to a LDS center.  You may have to search in
several of those towns.

Barbara







on 3/8/05 4:07 AM, Laurie Hanson at hanno(a)melbpc.org.au wrote:

> In 1853 Welehelm Christopher Friedrich Von Finteln was the only Von
Finteln to
> come to Australia, I am seeking information regarding his parents and any
> other family. His parents were Peter Von Finteln and Katherine Maria
Behman,
> they are said to have lived in Schustachen Hanover Germany.  Any
information
> would be appreciated.
> Many thanks
> Laurie Hanson
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Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 10:52:04
From: Laurie Hanson <hanno(a)melbpc.org.au>

Hi Yvonne,
Very little good information regarding the ship, said to be similar to the
Frankenberg, however unable to locate this or similar spelling.
Regards
Laurie.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ybmarshall" <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Von Finteln


> To Laurie Hansen -
>
> What ship did your  family travel on to Australia in 1853 ?
>
> If you know that , have a look at the passenger list for  details of other
peoples home areas - maybe they all came from same area  to work at setting
up wine areas in OZ.
>
> The Hunter Valley was a bit of a "sponge" for Germans to do this , as was
Sth Aust of course.
>
> Good luck - yvonne in melbourne .
> researching  SCHRADER in Australia and  Hannover [ Osterode am harz
areas.]
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[HN] MEINECKE/ASSERT/GEISSLER

Date: 2005/03/09 12:51:30
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hello Gill,
My starting point is Hull and I can't believe your luck with the Hull census giving you the info "Andreasburg"! If you Google for Andreasburg, this shows it's now in a National Park and the civilian records are in Goslar. Then if you first Google for Osterode then 2nd look within that for Andreasburg, the only mention is a travel company with a "Destination" facility. Using this facility, Enter a start point of Osterode (Neidersachsen) and an end destination of Andreasburg. The latter has 3 mentions, one of which is also Neidersachsen. You will then be shown a map of the area which incorporates your chosen route.
Regards,
Rena in England
==

hi all,
My great, great grandfather was Louis (Ludwig) MEINECKE. He was born 1831
and was living with his wife Beta in Hull, Yorkshire, England for the
1871,1881, 1891, and 1901 census.

Beta was born in Bremen in 1832, but I cannot seem to find out where Louis
was born. On the censuses his birth place is stated as Andreasburg, Hanover
and Osterode.  Hanover I can obviously find, but where are the other places?
Are they areas of Hanover?

How am I likely to find out where to find a birth certificate? How can I
find out where he married Beta (Bremen seems a likely place).

I have a Johanna MEINECKE born about 1790 in Benkendein, Germany. She was
also living in Hull, Yorkshire  in 1871. She could be Louis mother. She
lived with her grandsons, also born in Bremen named GISSLER (Geisler).

Louis' daughter Johanne Louise Gesine MEINECKE married a fellow German, but
in London, England in 1874. She married Adolf Bernart ASSERT of Oelse. Where
abouts is this place?

I am sorry for all the questions. But if anyone has any information about
any of these names I would be very grateful.

Thank you




[HN] Herr Mispelhorn - Utermoehlen

Date: 2005/03/09 13:49:58
From: Hans H. Austermuhle <auster(a)racsa.co.cr>



Sehr geehrter Herr Mispelhorn,

Durch ein reiner Zufall fand ich Ihren freundlichen Mail bez. Utermoehlen.
Ich moechte Sie herzlichst bedanken!

Ich bedaure dass ich Ihren Mail nicht frueher entdeckt habe.

Viele freundliche Gruesse aus Costa Rica!

Hans Austermuehle



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Re: AW: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen

Date: 2005/03/09 14:30:56
From: pppgj <pppgj(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo, Falk,

nein, vielen Dank,

die Existenz des Amtmanns in Brüggen ist gesichert, was fehlt sind lediglich Hinweise zu seiner Herkunft.

Und da hat Heinrich doch sicherlich Recht, dass das Cramm'sche (Familien) Archiv neue Hinweise bieten könnte!

Eine illegitime Abstammung von den Bock v. Wülfingen? Tja, auch davon hätte man dann wohl in einschlägiger Literatur gehört.

Trotzdem besten Dank für die Hinweise,
Peter
<FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Hallo liebe Listige, 
> 
> Muss es denn gleich verarmter (oder verkommener) Adel sein ? 
> In Goslar haette ich einen Steuergehilfen Wilhelm Bock anzubieten, dessen 
> Sohn Viktor Adolph Friedrich Karl, 27 J. alt.,  im Hildesheimer Dom am 23.
> 09. 1823  
> Sophie Gertrud Kritly, 25 J., T. d. Gastwirts Kaspar Kritly heiratet.
> 
> Viktor Adolph Friedrich Karl Bock war Dr. med.
> 
> Johann Dietrich Wilhelm Bock, Wunstorf, gebuertig aus Idensen, Amt Bokeloh, 
> heiratete in Duishorn am 24.06.1794 Magdalene Juliane Fiderique
> Scheppelmann, 
> T. d. + Cantors Christian Heinr. Scheppelmann.
> 
> Johann Dietrich Wilhelm Bock wurde am 22. 01. 1769 in Idensen geboren, der
> Vater Hans Hinrich Bock, die Mutter Anne Maria Kirchmann
> 
> Vielleicht war es ja doch der Steuergehilfe und nicht gleich der Amtmann ? 
> 
> Gruss aus Diepholz
>    
> Falk Liebezeit
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 18:27
> An: Hannover-L
> Betreff: Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen
> 
> Hallo Peter Paul, hast Du schon mal in Bodenburg angefragt bei der Familie
> von Cramm? Es gab zahlreiche  Briefe an den Amtmann Bock in Brüggen aus
> Bodenburg, ich habe im letzten Jahr meine beiden letzten Briefe an den
> Amtmannn Bock, die in Bodenburg abgestempelt waren, leider verkauft, hast Du
> das Kirchenbuch von Brüggen, welches ziemlich lückenhaft ist, selbst
> eingesehen? Alles Gute Heinrich <pppgj(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
> > 
> > Liebe Erika, lieber Sascha,
> > 
> > herzlichen Dank für die Hinweise!
> > Da so gar nichts über diese Amtmannfamilie zu finden ist, habe ich auch
> schon über eine illegitime Abstammung von den Bock zu Wülfingen nachgedacht.
> > Mal sehen, ob sich in der Richtung etwas findet.
> > 
> > Herzliche Grüße,
> > 
> > Peter Paul (Pansing)
> > 
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Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen

Date: 2005/03/09 14:34:10
From: pppgj <pppgj(a)T-Online.de>

Bob, 
I didn't get that...

are you just talking about marriages in the Hildesheimer Dom or do you have any connections to the Bock-Family that could be of some help?

Thanks,
Peter
"Bob Doerr" <bdoerr(a)rollanet.org> schrieb:
> Aber meine Vorfahren im Hildesheimer Dom heiratet.
> 
> 
> Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
> To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:23 PM
> Subject: AW: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen
> 
> 
> Hallo liebe Listige,
> 
> Muss es denn gleich verarmter (oder verkommener) Adel sein ?
> In Goslar haette ich einen Steuergehilfen Wilhelm Bock anzubieten, dessen
> Sohn Viktor Adolph Friedrich Karl, 27 J. alt.,  im Hildesheimer Dom am 23.
> 09. 1823
> Sophie Gertrud Kritly, 25 J., T. d. Gastwirts Kaspar Kritly heiratet.
> 
> Viktor Adolph Friedrich Karl Bock war Dr. med.
> 
> Johann Dietrich Wilhelm Bock, Wunstorf, gebuertig aus Idensen, Amt Bokeloh,
> heiratete in Duishorn am 24.06.1794 Magdalene Juliane Fiderique
> Scheppelmann,
> T. d. + Cantors Christian Heinr. Scheppelmann.
> 
> Johann Dietrich Wilhelm Bock wurde am 22. 01. 1769 in Idensen geboren, der
> Vater Hans Hinrich Bock, die Mutter Anne Maria Kirchmann
> 
> Vielleicht war es ja doch der Steuergehilfe und nicht gleich der Amtmann ?
> 
> Gruss aus Diepholz
> 
> Falk Liebezeit
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. März 2005 18:27
> An: Hannover-L
> Betreff: Re: [HN] BOCK Hannover-Hildesheim - Bockvon Wülfingen
> 
> Hallo Peter Paul, hast Du schon mal in Bodenburg angefragt bei der Familie
> von Cramm? Es gab zahlreiche  Briefe an den Amtmann Bock in Brüggen aus
> Bodenburg, ich habe im letzten Jahr meine beiden letzten Briefe an den
> Amtmannn Bock, die in Bodenburg abgestempelt waren, leider verkauft, hast Du
> das Kirchenbuch von Brüggen, welches ziemlich lückenhaft ist, selbst
> eingesehen? Alles Gute Heinrich <pppgj(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
> >
> > Liebe Erika, lieber Sascha,
> >
> > herzlichen Dank für die Hinweise!
> > Da so gar nichts über diese Amtmannfamilie zu finden ist, habe ich auch
> schon über eine illegitime Abstammung von den Bock zu Wülfingen nachgedacht.
> > Mal sehen, ob sich in der Richtung etwas findet.
> >
> > Herzliche Grüße,
> >
> > Peter Paul (Pansing)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] MEINECKE/ASSERT/GEISSLER

Date: 2005/03/09 16:24:22
From: DVPJane <DVPJane(a)aol.com>

St. Andreasburg (Sankt Andreasberg in German) is a former mining village in  
the Harz Mountains, near Osterode. It's now a health spa town. I was there 
last  April--they have a great mining museum, Grube Samson. Do a search on 
Google.com  and you'll come up with lots of information.
 
Jane Bormann Wagoner

Re: [HN] MEINECKE/ASSERT/GEISSLER

Date: 2005/03/09 18:08:50
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>

gill buttery schrieb:



I have a Johanna MEINECKE born about 1790 in Benkendein, Germany. She was also living in Hull, Yorkshire in 1871. She could be Louis mother. She lived with her grandsons, also born in Bremen named GISSLER (Geisler).

Hello Gill,

Are you sure the spelling is Benkendein ? There are 3 different "Benkendorf" und 1 "Benneckenstein" in Germany.


Louis' daughter Johanne Louise Gesine MEINECKE married a fellow German, but in London, England in 1874. She married Adolf Bernart ASSERT of Oelse. Where abouts is this place?


There are several "Oelses" in Germany:

01816 Oelsen (near Pirna, Saxony)
07387 Ölsen (near Pößneck)
15848 Oelsen (near Friedland, Lower Saxony)
57612 Ölsen (Westerwald, Rheinland)
06724 Ölsen (near Zeitz, Saxony)

May be also "Oelde"? -  59302 Oelde (Westfalia)

Greetings
Susanne




Re: [HN] Harz Mountains mining

Date: 2005/03/09 20:49:10
From: Bonnie Hartmann <Gidget398(a)cox.net>

Jane, do you know what they mined?  (gold?  silver?)

I had Hartmanns from Veckenstedt area.
Bonnie Hartmann
Laguna Beach, California

----- Original Message ----- From: <DVPJane(a)aol.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] MEINECKE/ASSERT/GEISSLER


St. Andreasburg (Sankt Andreasberg in German) is a former mining village in
the Harz Mountains, near Osterode. It's now a health spa town. I was there
last April--they have a great mining museum,


Re: [HN] Harz Mountains mining

Date: 2005/03/09 20:55:18
From: Bonnie Hartmann <Gidget398(a)cox.net>

oh, sorry, I see it is silver...


----- Original Message -----

Jane, do you know what they mined?  (gold?  silver?)



Re: [HN] Harz Mountains mining

Date: 2005/03/09 22:16:30
From: DVPJane <DVPJane(a)aol.com>

In the area of Braunlage / Zorge / Wieda, there were iron mines.
 
Jane Bormann Wagoner

Re: [HN] Harz Mountains mining

Date: 2005/03/09 22:32:08
From: ybmarshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

Nice to see some people have been "back" to the HARZ areas - my Schrader family were based in Osterode.
Yvonne in Australia.

Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 22:52:39
From: ybmarshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

Hi again from Yvonne - do you subscribe to the AUS-GER[ Australia - German] list ?

Some of the people on that list are real experts at finding SHIPS and passengers - they have helped me with German ships.
Yvonne in melbourne.

[HN] Re: Von Fintel

Date: 2005/03/09 23:02:24
From: GWBrauns <GWBrauns(a)aol.com>

Hi Laurie,
 
I think you should contact Mr. Eckhard von Fintel, living in South Africa;  
eMail: _vonfintele(a)yahoo.de_ (mailto:vonfintele(a)yahoo.de) .
 
He may know more about the von Fintel / von Finteln familiy.
 
Best wishes
Guenter W. Brauns

[HN] Rohmann in Wetzleben

Date: 2005/03/09 23:20:04
From: Waltraud von Salzen <waltraud.von.salzen(a)ewetel.net>

Liebe Listenleser,

hat jemand von Euch GOTTLIEB ROHMANN, geb.1870 in Karwen/Sensburg oder dessen Sohn
HERMANN OTTO GOTTLIEB ROHMANN, geb.1897 in Wetzleben in seiner AL?

Freundliche Grüße
Waltraud


Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/09 23:33:26
From: GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au>

Hi Yvonne from Melbourne,

You mentioned an AUS_GER list and some experts at finding ships and
passengers.

Will you kindly point me in the right direction.

Marlene from Brisbane

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To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Von Finteln


> Hi again from Yvonne - do you subscribe to the AUS-GER[ Australia -
German] list ?
>
> Some of the people on that list are real experts at finding SHIPS and
passengers - they have helped me with German ships.
> Yvonne in melbourne.
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[HN] DUDENSEN

Date: 2005/03/10 04:32:59
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Hi to the list from Nebraska where the winter has been mild.

I would like to know if anyone on the list could do some checking for
me??  I am searching the EMPEDE---DUDENSEN, HANNOVER area for the name
BARTLING.  I have some information that needs confirmed. I would like to
know if my Great Great Grandmother CATHERINE MARIE BARTLING born Jan 1810
DUDENSEN is a sibling to HEINRICH FRIEDRICH LUDHOFF BARTLING born 13 Dec
1807 DUDENSEN.  I believe their parents to be JOHANN FRIEDRICH CHRISTOPH
BARTLING and CATHERINE MARIE DOROTHEE BENNING who were married 27 Aug
1806, DUDENSEN. I suppose it is possible, the record could also be at
HUSUM OR HAGEN, I am not sure where the baptizing parish was for DUDENSEN

Any help greatly appreciated----Bob Marhenke

Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/10 08:33:09
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de>


"Laurie Hanson" <hanno(a)melbpc.org.au> schrieb:
> Hello Hans
> Thank you for the email, I will follow up and hope for the best
> Regards
> Laurie Hanson

Laurie,
as you were looking also for the family in a larger sense, perhaps this might be a connection sooner or later:

"Alb.Hr.Herm.BADE, Visselhövede * 21.10.1898, + Bevensen 1.9.1977, Dachdecker-Obermeister, oo in Soltau 13.10.1922 Kath. Mar.Dora CASTENS, * Soltau 15.6.1896", ... Tochter von ... "C.SOLTAU und Doris von FINTEL"

cited out: RIGGERT, Fritz Dr.: Die alten Bürger- stellen und Reihehäuser in Bevensen/Lbg. Heide ... 1650 - 1950, Bevensen 1979

Greetings            Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

[HN] Brandkamp from Damme

Date: 2005/03/10 11:34:47
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Listmembers,
I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from Damme-Rottinghausen.
Can somebody check the Census 1850?
Thank you, Werner Honkomp
---------------------------------------------------------
Werner Honkomp                  werner(a)honkomp.de
Ziegelhofstr. 35b                    www.honkomp.de
26121 Oldenburg                 Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230


Re: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme

Date: 2005/03/10 15:56:06
From: Ann and Paul Kasameyer <kasameyer(a)alum.mit.edu>

Hello,

A quick check of the 1850 census index does not find him. However, he may appear in the 1844 immigration index for Baltimore, with wife Elizabeth and Children Bernard, Heinrich, Joseph and Marianne. Their goal is Cincinnati, Ohio. Bernard and Elizabeth Brankamp are listed as dying of Cholera in August of 1849 in Cincinnati, in the Federal Mortality Tables for the 1850 census. That would explain why Bernard is not found in the 1850 census. I did find a Bernard and a Joseph Brankamp of the right ages living with two different German families in Cincinnati in the 1850 census. Perhaps this information explains what happened to the person you search for. I will send details to your email address.

Paul Kasameyer

Werner Honkomp wrote:

Hello Listmembers,
I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from Damme-Rottinghausen.
Can somebody check the Census 1850?
Thank you, Werner Honkomp
---------------------------------------------------------
Werner Honkomp                  werner(a)honkomp.de
Ziegelhofstr. 35b                    www.honkomp.de
26121 Oldenburg                 Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230

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[HN] Bayern

Date: 2005/03/10 16:51:21
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)msn.com>

Hi
I have been searching the Hannover site for ancestors of Julius Wilhelm Burgdorf. I now want to look for Dauenhauer ancestors from Bayern. Can anyone provide search sites for this geographic area? Specifically I am looking for Peter Dauenhauer who emigrated to America, probably New Orleans, La about 1850-1860. Thanks,
Max Burgdorf

Re: [HN] Bayern

Date: 2005/03/10 17:51:06
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Max:

I don't find much for Bayern, but you may want to try this one: DEU-BAYERN-L Archives

Gale

On Thu, 0 Mar 2005 07:56:10 -0600
 "Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)msn.com> wrote:
Hi
I have been searching the Hannover site for ancestors of Julius Wilhelm Burgdorf. I now want to look for Dauenhauer ancestors from Bayern. Can anyone provide search sites for this geographic area? Specifically I am looking for Peter Dauenhauer who emigrated to America, probably New Orleans, La about 1850-1860. Thanks,
Max Burgdorf
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[HN] Guetmann, Nyeradt, Schneider, Settegast, Ihden, Grimm

Date: 2005/03/10 17:53:56
From: Herbert.Kunkel <Herbert(a)theKunkels.com>


In der Contributionsliste fuer die Glashuette Toddin fuer den Zeitraum 1668 - 1670 fand ich (ausschnittsweise) Nachstehendes:



"eine alte Frau welche von ihren Freunden   ernaehrt wird namens    Margaretha Geissner. ist das Kopfgeld als Magd gesetzt. 

Ein Dienstjunge namens Hinrich Guetmann 

noch ein junger Mensch  so eine Frau und  unterschiedliche   Kinder hat, gar geringen Verdienst, namens Anton Nyeradt, kann nicht  mehr als ein Knecht geben.

Noch ein Schneider Junge so sich itziger Zeit hier aufhielt.

 

Zwei Dienstdirnen namens

Maria Settegast und Ilse Ihden.

 

Ein alter Mann namens Bartold Grimm  mit Frau, welche sehr alt und gebrechlich sein und sich schwerlich ernaehren koennen. Kann

                   nichts von genommen werden."

Vielleicht sucht ja jemand nach diesen Namen aus dem Glashuettenumfeld, so wie ich nach KUNKEL in all seinen Schreibvariationen suche. Ihnen moege es nuetzen!

Freundliche Gruesse
Herbert Kunkel
Interessiert an Glashuetten und Glasmachern.
Dauersuche nach KUNKEL

Re: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme

Date: 2005/03/10 19:18:22
From: Jim <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>

Hello Listmembers
Could someone tell me where on the internet I could find "the 1844
immigration index for Baltimore"
Thank you in advance for any help you may offer
Jim from sunny California

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann and Paul Kasameyer" <kasameyer(a)alum.mit.edu>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme


> Hello,
>
> A quick check of the 1850 census index does not find him. However, he
> may appear in the 1844 immigration index for Baltimore, with wife
> Elizabeth and Children Bernard, Heinrich, Joseph and Marianne. Their
> goal is Cincinnati, Ohio. Bernard and Elizabeth Brankamp are listed as
> dying of Cholera  in August of 1849 in Cincinnati, in the Federal
> Mortality Tables for the 1850 census. That would explain why Bernard is
> not found in the 1850 census. I did find a Bernard and a Joseph Brankamp
> of the right ages living with two different German families in
> Cincinnati in the 1850 census. Perhaps this information explains what
> happened to the person you search for. I will send details to your email
> address.
>
> Paul Kasameyer
>
> Werner Honkomp wrote:
>
> >Hello Listmembers,
> >I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from
Damme-Rottinghausen.
> >Can somebody check the Census 1850?
> >Thank you, Werner Honkomp
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> >Werner Honkomp                  werner(a)honkomp.de
> >Ziegelhofstr. 35b                    www.honkomp.de
> >26121 Oldenburg                 Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230
> >
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[HN] Nachforschungen in Lüneburg....

Date: 2005/03/10 19:40:09
From: Rainer Schwinghoff <rainer(a)schwinghoff.de>

Hallo Forscherkollegen,

Ich möchte mich als neuen Listenbezieher kurz vorstellen. Mein Name ist
Rainer Schwinghoff, 43 Jahre alt und habe 2 Kinder. Ich betreibe die
Ahnenforscherei schon einige Zeit, allerdings in den letzten 6 Monaten recht
aktiv.

Nachdem ich bis jetzt meine Vorfahren in Großenhain (Sachsen) gefunden habe,
führen mich meine Wege nun nach Lüneburg. Mein derzeitiger Spitzenahn ist
Johann Friedrich Schwinghof geb. ca 1798. Ich bin mir nicht sicher ob er
auch in Lüneburg geboren ist. Beim ersten Nachkommen der nach Großenhain
gegangen ist, steht beim Traueintrag zumindest der Stadtname Lüneburg. Er
war Einwohner und Zimmermann. 
Johann Friedrich Schwinghoff hatte einen Bruder oder Sohn?, Johannes
Heinrich Schwinghoff, Buchalter im Kloster St. Michaelis zu Lüneburg. Diesen
Eintrag fand ich zumindest bei einer meiner Vorfahren, da er dort als Pate
aufgeführt ist.

Sollte jemand die Schwinghoff´s, der Name ist nicht wirklich geläufig in
Deutschland, in seinen Daten haben oder kann mir zu oben aufgeführten
Personen etwas sagen, so würde ich mich über eine Email mittels Liste oder
auch direkt freuen.

Schönen Tag aus Bayern....


Mit freundlichen Grüßen 
Rainer Schwinghoff
Am Mittelberg 18
D-93182 Duggendorf
___________________
Tel.:    +49 9409 861540
Fax.:   +49 9409 861546
Mobil:  +49 160 2343212




Re: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme

Date: 2005/03/10 20:04:59
From: Ann and Paul Kasameyer <kasameyer(a)alum.mit.edu>

I found it on ancestry.com, a "for pay" site.
Paul Kasameyer

Jim wrote:

Hello Listmembers
Could someone tell me where on the internet I could find "the 1844
immigration index for Baltimore"
Thank you in advance for any help you may offer
Jim from sunny California



Re: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme

Date: 2005/03/10 22:55:39
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hello Paul,
thank you so much for checking the census index and other source.
The family you found are other persons, but interesting, I will save it.

I have this emigration notices at "Amt Damme":

Brandkamp, Bernard Heinrich bei Meyer auf dem Ohrde  1 person 1841 Rottinghausen
Brandkamp, Familie, dabei 3 Kinder unter 15, Landwirte - nach Baltimore 7 persons 1849 Rottinghausen
Brankamp, Bernd, mit Frau, 3 Kindern, Schwiegerm. Gertrud Siefke, bei Kolon Meyer 7 persons 1844 Nellinghof

The last family is what you found, but I search for the first person. I think they are related.

Thank you for help,
Werner


> Hello,

> A quick check of the 1850 census index does not find him. However, he
> may appear in the 1844 immigration index for Baltimore, with wife
> Elizabeth and Children Bernard, Heinrich, Joseph and Marianne. Their
> goal is Cincinnati, Ohio. Bernard and Elizabeth Brankamp are listed as
> dying of Cholera  in August of 1849 in Cincinnati, in the Federal
> Mortality Tables for the 1850 census. That would explain why Bernard is
> not found in the 1850 census. I did find a Bernard and a Joseph Brankamp
> of the right ages living with two different German families in
> Cincinnati in the 1850 census. Perhaps this information explains what
> happened to the person you search for. I will send details to your email
> address.

> Paul Kasameyer

> Werner Honkomp wrote:

>>Hello Listmembers,
>>I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from
>>Damme-Rottinghausen.
>>Can somebody check the Census 1850?
>>Thank you, Werner Honkomp
>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>Werner Honkomp                  werner(a)honkomp.de
>>Ziegelhofstr. 35b                    www.honkomp.de
>>26121 Oldenburg                 Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] Von Finteln

Date: 2005/03/10 23:43:40
From: Yvonne Marshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

To Marlene ,

AUS-GERMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com

this is the list I was referring to re getting lookups and info on your family .
You need to subscribe by sending an email to
AUS-GERMAN-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
as you would have done with Hannover etc with the words Sucscribe - same as before.

Lots of people on the list have published records of these journeys- it is how i found my Hannovarian ancestor on a ship in 1866. Good luck, Yvonne in Australia.- I think there are 2 Yvonne' only on the list - we know each other from living in Melbourne.
Where are you based?
Yvonne

[HN] Researching Church Records - Forschende Kirche Zeichnet Auf

Date: 2005/03/11 00:56:38
From: Cindy Marcell <cmarcell(a)sftnet.org>

Ich habe jetzt die Adresse von der Kirche, die ich wünsche, eine Suche zu haben, die für unseren SCHULZE & BEIER oder BEYER Familie in Wittingen gemacht wird, Deutschland. Kann jemand mich raten auf was ich soll machen nächst? Die Kirche ist Str. Stephansgemeinde Lutheraner Kirche in Wittingen. Unsere Familie war dort von 1850 und später. Ist Zimmermann in Rade, Deutschland oder Röhrsen, Deutschland nahes Wittingen? Cindy

Translation-
I now have the address of the church I wish to have a search done for our SCHULZE & BEIER or BEYER family in Wittingen, Germany. Can anyone advise me on what I should do next? The church is St. Stephansgemeinde Lutheran church in Wittingen. Our family was there from 1850 and later.
Is Zimmermann in Rade, Germany or Röhrsen, Germany near Wittingen? Cindy

--
Cindy's SCHULZE, HOSKINS, & ROLOFF Family Pages
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~marcell/



Re: [HN] Harz Mountains mining

Date: 2005/03/11 03:38:18
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)rollanet.org>

Was it not fertilizer that was mined? Potash?

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bonnie Hartmann" <Gidget398(a)cox.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Harz Mountains mining


> Jane, do you know what they mined?  (gold?  silver?)
>
> I had Hartmanns from Veckenstedt area.
> Bonnie Hartmann
> Laguna Beach, California
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <DVPJane(a)aol.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] MEINECKE/ASSERT/GEISSLER
>
>
> > St. Andreasburg (Sankt Andreasberg in German) is a former mining village
> > in
> > the Harz Mountains, near Osterode. It's now a health spa town. I was
there
> > last  April--they have a great mining museum,
>
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Re: [HN] Harz Mountains mining

Date: 2005/03/11 04:01:06
From: gloepertz <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>

Silver was one of the items mined, especially around Goslar
Guenter

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Was it not fertilizer that was mined? Potash? 
> 
> Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bonnie Hartmann" 
> To: "Hannover-L" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:50 PM 
> Subject: Re: [HN] Harz Mountains mining 
> 
> 
> > Jane, do you know what they mined? (gold? silver?) 
> > 
> > I had Hartmanns from Veckenstedt area. 
> > Bonnie Hartmann 
> > Laguna Beach, California 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:24 AM 
> > Subject: Re: [HN] MEINECKE/ASSERT/GEISSLER 
> > 
> > 
> > > St. Andreasburg (Sankt Andreasberg in German) is a former mining village 
> > > in 
> > > the Harz Mountains, near Osterode. It's now a health spa town. I was 
> there 
> > > last April--they have a great mining museum, 
> > 
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[HN] Lecture in Sarasota

Date: 2005/03/11 04:23:22
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Listers:  To those of you in Florida who expressed interest in attending my lecture to the German SIG of the Sarasota Genealogical Society, I finally found out where it will be held and got directions from them.  It will be on Wed, 23 March, at 0930 EST at the Oakhurst Clubhouse off of Bee Ridge Road.  Anyone wanting specific directions, please write to me offlist.  Hope to see some of you there.     Jane


Jane Swan
jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Re: [HN] Researching Church Records - Forschende Kirche Zeichnet Auf

Date: 2005/03/11 05:18:28
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Cindy,

     Rade is just east of Wittingen.  Röhrsen is about 14 km north of
Wittingen, southwest of Bodenteich. The LDS has a large collection of church
records of Bodenteich. I'm not sure if that is where people from Röhrsen
would have gone to church, but it could be the place. The LDS has only a
couple years of Wittingen's church records. You probably know that.

Barbara



on 3/10/05 4:56 PM, Cindy Marcell at cmarcell(a)sftnet.org wrote:

> Ich habe jetzt die Adresse von der Kirche, die ich wünsche, eine Suche
> zu haben, die für unseren SCHULZE & BEIER oder BEYER Familie in
> Wittingen gemacht wird, Deutschland. Kann jemand mich raten auf was ich
> soll machen nächst? Die Kirche ist Str. Stephansgemeinde Lutheraner
> Kirche in Wittingen. Unsere Familie war dort von 1850 und später. Ist
> Zimmermann in Rade, Deutschland oder Röhrsen, Deutschland nahes
> Wittingen?  Cindy
> 
> Translation-
> I now have the address of the church I wish to have a search done for
> our SCHULZE & BEIER or BEYER family in Wittingen, Germany. Can anyone
> advise me on what I should do next? The church is St.  Stephansgemeinde
> Lutheran church in Wittingen. Our family was there from 1850 and later.
> Is Zimmermann in Rade, Germany or Röhrsen, Germany near Wittingen? Cindy


AW: [HN] Researching Church Records - Forschende Kirche Zeichnet Auf

Date: 2005/03/11 06:42:22
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Roehrsen (dots over the O) and Wittingen is about 7 milies apart, the
village Roehrsen is part of the church parish Bad Bodenteich and there is a
village Rade
In the church parish Wittingen. 

Sincerely yours 

Falk Liebezeit 
Diepholz
http://www.falk-liebezeit.de  

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Cindy Marcell
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. März 2005 00:56
An: HANNOVER LIST
Betreff: [HN] Researching Church Records - Forschende Kirche Zeichnet Auf

Ich habe jetzt die Adresse von der Kirche, die ich wünsche, eine Suche zu
haben, die für unseren SCHULZE & BEIER oder BEYER Familie in Wittingen
gemacht wird, Deutschland. Kann jemand mich raten auf was ich soll machen
nächst? Die Kirche ist Str. Stephansgemeinde Lutheraner Kirche in Wittingen.
Unsere Familie war dort von 1850 und später. Ist Zimmermann in Rade,
Deutschland oder Röhrsen, Deutschland nahes Wittingen?  Cindy

Translation-
I now have the address of the church I wish to have a search done for our
SCHULZE & BEIER or BEYER family in Wittingen, Germany. Can anyone advise me
on what I should do next? The church is St.  Stephansgemeinde Lutheran
church in Wittingen. Our family was there from 1850 and later.
Is Zimmermann in Rade, Germany or Röhrsen, Germany near Wittingen? Cindy

--
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~marcell/


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RE: [HN] Bayern

Date: 2005/03/11 08:30:19
From: FuP Hestermann <frohestory(a)web.de>

Hi Max,
you can try
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/bavaria-l

for your Bavarian ancestors.

Felcitas and Peter Hestermann

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of gale(a)bosche.info
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:16 PM
> To: Hannover-L
> Subject: Re: [HN] Bayern
> 
> 
> Hi Max:
> 
> I don't find much for Bayern, but you may want to try this 
> one:  DEU-BAYERN-L Archives
> 
> Gale
> 
> On Thu, 0 Mar 2005 07:56:10 -0600
>   "Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)msn.com> wrote:
> > Hi
> > I have been searching the Hannover site for ancestors of 
> >Julius Wilhelm Burgdorf. I now want to look for 
> >Dauenhauer ancestors from Bayern. Can anyone provide 
> >search sites for this geographic area? Specifically I am 
> >looking for Peter Dauenhauer who emigrated to America, 
> >probably New Orleans, La about 1850-1860. Thanks,
> > Max Burgdorf
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
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[HN] Familiennamen-Link "Welt" Carstensen und Simonis etc.

Date: 2005/03/11 13:22:16
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo Listige,

hier der heutige Link zum Familiennamenartikel in der "Welt":

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/03/11/608977.html

Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie


Re: [HN] Researching Church Records - Forschende Kirche Zeichnet Auf

Date: 2005/03/11 16:48:42
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

> I now have the address of the church I wish to have a search done for
> our SCHULZE & BEIER or BEYER family in Wittingen, Germany. Can anyone
> advise me on what I should do next? The church is St.  Stephansgemeinde
> Lutheran church in Wittingen. Our family was there from 1850 and later.
> Is Zimmermann in Rade, Germany or Röhrsen, Germany near Wittingen? Cindy

Here two addresses:

Zimmermann, Günther
  Schützenstr. 15
  29379 Wittingen

Zimmermann, Ralf Dr.
  Junkerstr. 20
  29378 Wittingen

Good luck,
Werner


[HN] Poesie-Album aus Straupitz

Date: 2005/03/11 20:18:30
From: Brigitte.Arwers(a)t-online.de <Brigitte.Arwers(a)t-online.de>

Guten Abend an die Liste,

bei eBay habe ich ein Poesie-Albim ersteigert, welchens viele
Eintragungen aus Straupitz hat.
Es ist fast komplett voll geschrieben und gehörte offenbar: Hermann
KRATZERT.
Die Eintragungen sind aus 1918.

Wer Interesse hat, möchte bitte direkt mit mir Kontakt aufnehmen:

brigitte(a)arwers.de

Eigene Ahnen habe ich in Lübben:
Reiche, Reimann, Hanisch, 

Ein schönes Wochenende
Brigitte Arwers
www.ahnen-keller.de




[HN] Ahne HAAKE

Date: 2005/03/11 21:34:33
From: Wilfried Doll <1951wido(a)schlundmail.de>

Sehr geehrte Ahnenforscher,

In meiner Ahnenliste kommt der Name Haake (könnte auch Haacke sei - würde
mündlich überliefert) vor.
Heinrich (?) Haake lebte um 1880  - geboren in Hannover-Hainholz
Er war Geiger in Staatsorchester Hannover und starb mit ca. 33J. bei einem
Badeunfall
Er war mit Emilie geb. Bade verheiratet und hatte eine Tochter Gertrude.
Emilie heiratete nach seinem Tod  Wilhelm Dippel.
Wer weiß dazu noch etwas und kann mir helfen?


mit freundlichen Grüßen
Wilfried (Doll)


[HN] Records for Gummern

Date: 2005/03/11 22:13:47
From: Sharon von Fange <sharon(a)vonfange.com>

I recently learned that my Wendt ancestors came from Gummern and the Lutheran records would be in Schnackenburg. Where are the records kept and how would I go about inquiring about them. Thanks


RE: [HN] Bayern

Date: 2005/03/11 22:44:00
From: ybmarshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

I noted the name HESTERMANN on the list - 
are you related to Hestermann family from Linden/ Bochum/Witten ? areas from a long time ago ? 

I am keen to link with that branch of Hestermann to complete my familytree.

Yvonne in Melbourne Australia.

[HN] MEINECKE

Date: 2005/03/11 22:56:36
From: gill buttery <g_buttery(a)hotmail.com>

Hi everybody.
Thank you to all who helped with the whereabouts of the places I was looking for.

I wonder if anyone out there has any information about my ancestors.

My great, great grandfather was was Louis (Ludwig) MEINECKE. He was born 1831 in Andreasburg (I think), Hannover. His wife was Beta, born 1832 in Bremen. Their daughter, Johanne Louise Gesine Meinecke, was also born in Bremen in 1855.
They were living in Hull, Yorkshire, England from 1871.

I would love to find out more about Ludwig Meinecke and family.
Are there such things as a German census, or where could I find a marriage or birth certificate?
I am obviously new to this. Any help would be grayefully received

Gill



RE: [HN] Bayern

Date: 2005/03/11 23:15:06
From: FuP Hestermann <frohestory(a)web.de>

Our Hestermann family had lived in that area. You can send us your branch and we'll compare it with our branch.

Felicitas and Peter Hestermann

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of ybmarshall
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:44 PM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: RE: [HN] Bayern
> 
> 
> I noted the name HESTERMANN on the list - 
> are you related to Hestermann family from Linden/ Bochum/Witten ? 
> areas from a long time ago ? 
> 
> I am keen to link with that branch of Hestermann to complete my 
> familytree.
> 
> Yvonne in Melbourne Australia.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 


[HN] Re: new e-mail address

Date: 2005/03/11 23:24:43
From: Judy Christopher <ajuntasc(a)suscom.net>

Hello All,  I have a new e-mail address please send all to ajuntasc(a)suscom.net
Thank you don't want to miss this list.  Thank you Judy Christopher (Haverbeck/Nissen)

RE: [HN] Bayern-re hestermann

Date: 2005/03/11 23:26:15
From: ybmarshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

Ok , will get into my files and send to you in next couple of days, Yvonne in Australia.

Re: [HN] Bayern

Date: 2005/03/11 23:56:24
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
    Isn't the Bavarian list for German-speaking only?
Barbara




on 3/10/05 11:52 PM, FuP Hestermann at frohestory(a)web.de wrote:

> Hi Max,
> you can try
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/bavaria-l
> 
> for your Bavarian ancestors.
> 
> Felcitas and Peter Hestermann
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
>> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of gale(a)bosche.info
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:16 PM
>> To: Hannover-L
>> Subject: Re: [HN] Bayern
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Max:
>> 
>> I don't find much for Bayern, but you may want to try this
>> one:  DEU-BAYERN-L Archives
>> 
>> Gale
>> 
>> On Thu, 0 Mar 2005 07:56:10 -0600
>> "Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)msn.com> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> I have been searching the Hannover site for ancestors of
>>> Julius Wilhelm Burgdorf. I now want to look for
>>> Dauenhauer ancestors from Bayern. Can anyone provide
>>> search sites for this geographic area? Specifically I am
>>> looking for Peter Dauenhauer who emigrated to America,
>>> probably New Orleans, La about 1850-1860. Thanks,
>>> Max Burgdorf
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hannover-L mailing list
>>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Re: [HN] MEINECKE

Date: 2005/03/12 00:52:26
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,

     You may find these "Ortsfamilienbucher" interesting.  There are several
Meinecke (and variations thereof) if you look at the lists in and around
Bremen:
    http://db.genealogy.net/ofb/map.cgi?land=deutschland

   Is the Andreasburg you mentioned the town called St. Andreasberg in the
Harz mountains?

Barbara




on 3/11/05 2:56 PM, gill buttery at g_buttery(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> Hi everybody.
> Thank you to all who helped with the whereabouts of the places I was looking
> for.
> 
> I wonder if anyone out there has any information about my ancestors.
> 
> My great, great grandfather was was Louis (Ludwig) MEINECKE. He was born
> 1831 in Andreasburg (I think), Hannover. His wife was Beta, born 1832 in
> Bremen. Their daughter, Johanne Louise Gesine Meinecke, was also born in
> Bremen in 1855.
> They were living in Hull, Yorkshire, England from 1871.
> 
> I would love to find out more about Ludwig Meinecke and family.
> Are there such things as a German census, or where could I find a marriage
> or birth certificate?
> I am obviously new to this. Any help would be grayefully received
> 
> Gill
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] Re: Meinecke

Date: 2005/03/12 01:34:49
From: Lena Fellmann <lena(a)fellmannweb.de>

Hi Gill,

If you need information from Bremen, I could try to find the birth entry for
your great grandmother. Her parents might have married in Bremen, too.

Regards from Bremen

Lena

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:56:27 +0000
> From: "gill buttery" <g_buttery(a)hotmail.com>
> Subject: [HN] MEINECKE
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Message-ID: <BAY101-F4573F173CD9E9BABF936D8E530(a)phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Hi everybody.
> Thank you to all who helped with the whereabouts of the places I was
looking
> for.
>
> I wonder if anyone out there has any information about my ancestors.
>
> My great, great grandfather was was Louis (Ludwig) MEINECKE. He was born
> 1831 in Andreasburg (I think), Hannover. His wife was Beta, born 1832 in
> Bremen. Their daughter, Johanne Louise Gesine Meinecke, was also born in
> Bremen in 1855.
> They were living in Hull, Yorkshire, England from 1871.
>
> I would love to find out more about Ludwig Meinecke and family.
> Are there such things as a German census, or where could I find a marriage
> or birth certificate?
> I am obviously new to this. Any help would be grayefully received
>
> Gill
>
>
>
>



Re: [HN] Bayern

Date: 2005/03/12 01:50:43
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)msn.com>

I saw only one message on the Bavarian list and it was in German. When I subscribed I was asked language priority and I entered English. Does anyone out there know if it is German only?
Max
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: R&B Stewart<mailto:raybarbara(a)comcast.net> 
  To: Hannover-L<mailto:hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> 
  Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [HN] Bayern


  Hello,
      Isn't the Bavarian list for German-speaking only?
  Barbara




  on 3/10/05 11:52 PM, FuP Hestermann at frohestory(a)web.de<mailto:frohestory(a)web.de> wrote:

  > Hi Max,
  > you can try
  > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/bavaria-l<http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/bavaria-l>
  > 
  > for your Bavarian ancestors.
  > 
  > Felcitas and Peter Hestermann
  > 
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net<mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net>
  >> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of gale(a)bosche.info<mailto:gale(a)bosche.info>
  >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 5:16 PM
  >> To: Hannover-L
  >> Subject: Re: [HN] Bayern
  >> 
  >> 
  >> Hi Max:
  >> 
  >> I don't find much for Bayern, but you may want to try this
  >> one:  DEU-BAYERN-L Archives
  >> 
  >> Gale
  >> 
  >> On Thu, 0 Mar 2005 07:56:10 -0600
  >> "Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)msn.com<mailto:pharmaxx(a)msn.com>> wrote:
  >>> Hi
  >>> I have been searching the Hannover site for ancestors of
  >>> Julius Wilhelm Burgdorf. I now want to look for
  >>> Dauenhauer ancestors from Bayern. Can anyone provide
  >>> search sites for this geographic area? Specifically I am
  >>> looking for Peter Dauenhauer who emigrated to America,
  >>> probably New Orleans, La about 1850-1860. Thanks,
  >>> Max Burgdorf
  >>> _______________________________________________
  >>> Hannover-L mailing list
  >>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net<mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
  >>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l<http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l>
  >> 
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[HN] Re: Mining in Harz

Date: 2005/03/12 04:24:35
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi all:  It may interest you to know that in the Rammelsberg, the famous mountain overshadowing the very charming town of Goslar, they mine silver, copper and lead.  It has been mined since the 10th century and was the most important source of silver for the coinage of the Holy Roman Empire.  Legend has it that the mine was shown to a knight who helped rescue a dwarf who was stuck under a log.  These allegedly were the Seven Dwarfs of Snowwhite fame.  Just another bit of history from   Jane


Jane Swan
jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

[HN] Did I do this right?

Date: 2005/03/12 04:44:59
From: BGKnoche <BGKnoche(a)aol.com>

 
Please, I need help!  I was able to identify that Claus Peter Knoche  & 
Christine Karsten were married in the Lutheran church in Ihlienworth and I  was 
advised by the people at the local LDS library to write to the archives at  
_kirchenbuch.staki.hannover(a)eu/ka.de_ (mailto:kirchenbuch.staki.hannover(a)eu/ka.de)  
 and to do so in German!  Since I do not speak, read, or  write German, they 
gave me a format to use & was told all I had to do  was insert the names & 
dates.  I sent this 22.2.05 and have not  received a reply so now I am wondering 
if I did this correctly - or if even  the address is correct.  I am asking 
someone who is knowledgeable in  this situation to confirm, correct or let me 
know if this is the proper message  (also if the email address is correct or if 
there is another address - either by  email or physical that I should use).
I wrote:
 
   
"Sehr geehrter Herr oder geehrte Dame,
 
Ich erforsche meine Vorfahren und benötige Angaben aus  Ihren  Registern.
 
Die nachstehend aufgeführte Person ist mein Vorfarh. Ich habe alle mir  
bekannten genealogischen Angaben über diese Person aufgeführt:
 
Vor- und Familienname des Ehemannes:  Claus Peter Knoche 
Geburtsdatum: 14 Mai 1832
 
Vor- und Mädchenname der Ehefray: Christene Karsten
Geburtsdatum:  23 Juni 1837
 
Heiratsdatum:  31 März 1858
Heiratsort:  Ihlienworth
Religion:  evangelisch-lutherisch
 
Bitte schicken Sie mir einen vollstä Auszug des Heiratsregisters für diese  
Person.
Wü Sie mir bitte mitteilen, ob is möglich wäre, Fokotopien von Ihren  
Urkunden zu erhalten und was sie kosten?
 
Mit freundlichen GrüBen,
 
 
Betty Knoche
218 E. Manhatton Drive
Tempe, Arizona 85282 USA
 
_bgknoche(a)aol.com_ (mailto:bgknoche(a)aol.com) "
 
Thanks so much!
Betty




Re: [HN] Did I do this right?

Date: 2005/03/12 05:28:24
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
      My sister (who is not a Mormon and has worked for decades in a LDS
library) says that these days most places in Germany would rather you write
in English.  American attempts to write in German often are not helpful.
There are always people in Germany that can find someone to read English--
but Americans have a hard time finding people who can write in German.

     I would suggest that you write them in English and see what happens. I
was hoping to find an email address for the church.  Since the letter you
sent got nowhere, you might try to write to the church itself.

     Another thing you might do is call the church yourself.  I've called
diocesan offices before and found someone there who could answer my
questions. 
 
 Ev.-Luth. Pfarramt (Ihlienworth)
Hauptstr. 9
21775 Ihlienworth
Tel.: 04755/214

     Someone in Germany may have better ideas!

    Good luck!  
    Barbara





on 3/11/05 8:44 PM, BGKnoche(a)aol.com at BGKnoche(a)aol.com wrote:

> 
> Please, I need help!  I was able to identify that Claus Peter Knoche  &
> Christine Karsten were married in the Lutheran church in Ihlienworth and I
> was 
> advised by the people at the local LDS library to write to the archives at
> _kirchenbuch.staki.hannover(a)eu/ka.de_
> (mailto:kirchenbuch.staki.hannover(a)eu/ka.de)
> and to do so in German!  Since I do not speak, read, or  write German, they
> gave me a format to use & was told all I had to do  was insert the names &
> dates.  I sent this 22.2.05 and have not  received a reply so now I am
> wondering 
> if I did this correctly - or if even  the address is correct.  I am asking
> someone who is knowledgeable in  this situation to confirm, correct or let me
> know if this is the proper message  (also if the email address is correct or
> if 
> there is another address - either by  email or physical that I should use).
> I wrote:
> 
> 
> "Sehr geehrter Herr oder geehrte Dame,
> 
> Ich erforsche meine Vorfahren und benötige Angaben aus  Ihren  Registern.
> 
> Die nachstehend aufgeführte Person ist mein Vorfarh. Ich habe alle mir
> bekannten genealogischen Angaben über diese Person aufgeführt:
> 
> Vor- und Familienname des Ehemannes:  Claus Peter Knoche
> Geburtsdatum: 14 Mai 1832
> 
> Vor- und Mädchenname der Ehefray: Christene Karsten
> Geburtsdatum:  23 Juni 1837
> 
> Heiratsdatum:  31 März 1858
> Heiratsort:  Ihlienworth
> Religion:  evangelisch-lutherisch
> 
> Bitte schicken Sie mir einen vollstä Auszug des Heiratsregisters für diese
> Person.
> Wü Sie mir bitte mitteilen, ob is möglich wäre, Fokotopien von Ihren
> Urkunden zu erhalten und was sie kosten?
> 
> Mit freundlichen GrüBen,
> 
> 
> Betty Knoche
> 218 E. Manhatton Drive
> Tempe, Arizona 85282 USA
> 
> _bgknoche(a)aol.com_ (mailto:bgknoche(a)aol.com) "
> 
> Thanks so much!
> Betty
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] Did I do this right?

Date: 2005/03/12 09:48:24
From: pppgj <pppgj(a)T-Online.de>

Betty, sure you did!

But those guys got a lot to do at the Kirchenbuchamt, so just give them some more time....

Regards, Peter

<BGKnoche(a)aol.com> schrieb:
>  
> Please, I need help!  I was able to identify that Claus Peter Knoche  & 
> Christine Karsten were married in the Lutheran church in Ihlienworth and I  was 
> advised by the people at the local LDS library to write to the archives at  
> _kirchenbuch.staki.hannover(a)eu/ka.de_ (mailto:kirchenbuch.staki.hannover(a)eu/ka.de)  
>  and to do so in German!  Since I do not speak, read, or  write German, they 
> gave me a format to use & was told all I had to do  was insert the names & 
> dates.  I sent this 22.2.05 and have not  received a reply so now I am wondering 
> if I did this correctly - or if even  the address is correct.  I am asking 
> someone who is knowledgeable in  this situation to confirm, correct or let me 
> know if this is the proper message  (also if the email address is correct or if 
> there is another address - either by  email or physical that I should use).
> I wrote:
>  
>    
> "Sehr geehrter Herr oder geehrte Dame,
>  
> Ich erforsche meine Vorfahren und benötige Angaben aus  Ihren  Registern.
>  
> Die nachstehend aufgeführte Person ist mein Vorfarh. Ich habe alle mir  
> bekannten genealogischen Angaben über diese Person aufgeführt:
>  
> Vor- und Familienname des Ehemannes:  Claus Peter Knoche 
> Geburtsdatum: 14 Mai 1832
>  
> Vor- und Mädchenname der Ehefray: Christene Karsten
> Geburtsdatum:  23 Juni 1837
>  
> Heiratsdatum:  31 März 1858
> Heiratsort:  Ihlienworth
> Religion:  evangelisch-lutherisch
>  
> Bitte schicken Sie mir einen vollstä Auszug des Heiratsregisters für diese  
> Person.
> Wü Sie mir bitte mitteilen, ob is möglich wäre, Fokotopien von Ihren  
> Urkunden zu erhalten und was sie kosten?
>  
> Mit freundlichen GrüBen,
>  
>  
> Betty Knoche
> 218 E. Manhatton Drive
> Tempe, Arizona 85282 USA
>  
> _bgknoche(a)aol.com_ (mailto:bgknoche(a)aol.com) "
>  
> Thanks so much!
> Betty
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 



Re: [HN] Did I do this right?

Date: 2005/03/12 10:08:28
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Betty,

everything is o.k. in your letter and is easy to understand.
But you need some patience with the answer from the Kirchenbuchamt, because they have a lot of questions to answer.
Normally it takes 4 - 8 weeks.

Kind Regards

Susanne


Re: [HN] Re: Mining in Harz - Pastorv Oelffen verspekulierte sich

Date: 2005/03/12 12:23:42
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

 Liebe Listenteilnehmer:
zum Thema "Mining in Harz"

fiel mir folgendes ein

Viele Grüße

Klaus Riecken
www.Riecken-online.de

Johann Friedrich Oelffen, * um 1654 angeblich in Göttingen, + 2.12.1735 in
Herzberg 81 Jahre alt, Pastor in Herzberg auf der ersten Pfarrstelle, die
1643 eingerichtet wurde, von 1692 - 1735, zuvor Feldprediger (Q 46)
oo 21.2.1693 Dorothea Elisabeth Behling

 "Der neue Pfarrer Johann Friedrich Oelffen ist am Fest Mariä Reinigung 1692
eingeführt. Er hatte vorher schon einige Zeit bei dem Prinzen Friedrich
August (geb. 1661) und Carl Philipp (geb. 1669) als Hofmeister und dann als
Feldprediger im Dienste gestanden. Im Jahre 1690 wurde er von Hannover aus
als Courier mit einer geheimen Botschaft nach Ungarn gesandt, und hat auch
sonst im Felde gestanden. Er stammte aus Göttingen und verheira-tete sich
1692 mit Tochter des Amtmanns Behling aus Rotenkirchen, Dorothea Elisabeth.
Sie hatte ihm eine ansehnliche Mitgift zuge-bracht, und er beteiligte sich
mit diesem Gelde an einem neuen Unternehmen. Es wurde nämlich bei Herzberg
nach Erz gegraben und auch in dem "bekannten Silberhey" gefunden. Bei der
Herzberger Säge-mühle wurde eine Kupferhütte angelegt. Anfänglich schien die
Sache sich gut zu entwickeln, dann aber trat der Mangel an Erz zu Tage, und
die Interessenten büßtenihr Geld fast ganz ein. Sie wandten sich nun nach
Lauter-bach, nahmen die Grube Kupferrose auf und erhielten bis 1714 Freiheit
für dieselbe. Die Grube kam so in Aufnah-me, daß bereits 1711 im Quartal
Crucis ein Kux 25 Spe-ciesthaler und 1712 im Quartal Reminiscere sogar 30
Speciesthaler an Anbeute abwarf. Dann aber ließ sie nach, und abermals
erlitten die Interssenten einen schweren Schaden.
(Quelle: Kleinschmidt, Hermann, weil., Pastor zu Herzberg, Chronik des
Fleckens Herzberg am Harz, neubearbeitet und bis zur Gegenwart fortgeführt
von August Eisfeldt, Herzberg a. H. 1929 )


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Swan" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:24 AM
Subject: [HN] Re: Mining in Harz


> Hi all:  It may interest you to know that in the Rammelsberg, the famous
mountain overshadowing the very charming town of Goslar, they mine silver,
copper and lead.  It has been mined since the 10th century and was the most
important source of silver for the coinage of the Holy Roman Empire.  Legend
has it that the mine was shown to a knight who helped rescue a dwarf who was
stuck under a log.  These allegedly were the Seven Dwarfs of Snowwhite fame.
Just another bit of history from   Jane
>
>
> Jane Swan
> jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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Re: [HN] Did I do this right?

Date: 2005/03/12 12:32:12
From: Ralf Stamporek <R.S(a)pobox.com>

Hi,

I do not want to jump in here as bad guy ;-)

But first of all, check the address. Correct e-mail address for the
Kirchenbuchamt Hannover is
kirchenbuchamt.staki.hannover(a)evlka.de

And you can make a call to Birgit Klein, check here:
http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Regards,
Ralf Stamporek

Please, I need help! I was able to identify that Claus Peter Knoche & Christine Karsten were married in the Lutheran church in Ihlienworth and I was advised by the people at the local LDS library to write to the archives at _kirchenbuch.staki.hannover(a)eu/ka.de_ (mailto:kirchenbuch.staki.hannover(a)eu/ka.de) and to do so in German! Since I do not speak, read, or write German, they gave me a format to use & was told all I had to do was insert the names & dates. I sent this 22.2.05 and have not received a reply so now I am wondering if I did this correctly - or if even the address is correct. I am asking someone who is knowledgeable in this situation to confirm, correct or let me know if this is the proper message (also if the email address is correct or if there is another address - either by email or physical that I should use).
I wrote:

--
Wciaz poszukuje osob o nazwisku STA(M)POREK w Kielcach i okolicach.
http://www.aller-ursprung.de


Re: [HN] Did I do this right?

Date: 2005/03/12 13:54:05
From: Nhelbert <Nhelbert(a)aol.com>

Why not write in BOTH languages?  Write a German version, ending with  the 
remark that the English version follows.  Then write your request in  English.  
This has worked well for me.

[HN] CRAMME, GÜNTHER, KOCH

Date: 2005/03/12 13:54:08
From: VivereGS <VivereGS(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

in Salzgitter und Umgebung suche ich Vorfahren, Nachfahren und Geschwister u.g. Personen.

Darüber hinaus suche ich weitere Informationen über die in Salzgitter im 19. Jahrhundert sehr bekannten Klesmer-Musiker, besonders über die Musikkapellen, die nach Skandinavien (insbesondere Schweden) gewandert sind. Das Buch "Die Wandermusikanten von Salzgitter" habe ich gelesen. Dort findet sich in einer Liste aus dem Jahr 1879 ein Schüler B. KRAMME auf (mein Vorfahr Bernhard CRAMME?).

Heinrich CRAMME, Zinngießer, * um 1800 + vor 1875
oo am ??
Johanna KOCH, * um 1800 + vor 1875

August Wilhelm CRAMME, Musiker, * 1833 oder 1824 + 07.08.1875 in Salzgitter
oo am ??
Christiane GÜNTHER, * um 1833 + nach 1875

Über hilfreiche Hinweise jeder Art zu den genannten Personen freue ich mich.

Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht

Gerda Singh


[HN] re: Did I do it right?

Date: 2005/03/12 17:46:45
From: BGKnoche <BGKnoche(a)aol.com>

Thanks Susanne & Peter.  I feel so much better knowing the letter  reads 
okay!  So now will try practicing 'patience' which is difficult for  me.  I have 
only been searching for 45 years!  I finally ran across a  newspaper article 
which told of the celebration of their 50th wedding  anniversary & mentioned 
where they were married so went with that.  Now  I want to KNOW right away if 
their marriage record gives any more  information.
And Barbara I will keep your information on file - just in case I don't  hear 
anything in another month or so.
You all are wonderful!  And such a source of information.  Thanks  to 
everyone - you have helped me again!
Betty

[HN] Suche Kramm(e)

Date: 2005/03/12 20:29:58
From: fo singer <fosinger(a)aon.at>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

ich suche Näheres über die Eltern von Johanna Sophie Friederike Kramm(e) * 20 Okt 1797 in Wolfenbüttel
verheiratete Grote  + 12 Mär 1880 in Gadenstedt

Vater :  August /Kramm(e)
Mutter: Frederike Kreukborn

Grüße aus dem winterlichen Kleinwalsertal

Franz-Otto Singer

Re: [HN] Bayern

Date: 2005/03/13 01:06:23
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info>

Max Burgdorf wrote:
I saw only one message on the Bavarian list and it was in German. When I subscribed I was asked language priority and I entered English. Does anyone out there know if it is German only?
Max


Rootsweb.com has a couple Bavarian email lists. Go to Rootsweb.com and click on "Mailing Lists" on the tab at the top of the page. On the next page, scroll down to "International" Then click on Germany, then you'll see Bavaria and Bavarian Ancestors. When you click on them, you can scroll down to "Browse" or "Search" -- that will give you an idea of how active the group is, the language used, etc. Then you can decide which or whether to subscribe.

Hope that helps.

--
Mona Houser
HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/

Re: [HN] Re: Mining in Harz

Date: 2005/03/13 01:16:19
From: Mona <HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info>

Jane Swan wrote:
Hi all:  It may interest you to know that in the Rammelsberg, the famous mountain overshadowing the very charming town of Goslar, they mine silver, copper and lead.  It has been mined since the 10th century and was the most important source of silver for the coinage of the Holy Roman Empire.  Legend has it that the mine was shown to a knight who helped rescue a dwarf who was stuck under a log.  These allegedly were the Seven Dwarfs of Snowwhite fame.  Just another bit of history from   Jane



Fascinating story, Jane. We visited Rammelsberg in 2002. It is no longer an active mine, but is now a museum.

We looked at drawings of the miners from the 11th century, and we remarked how they looked like the Seven Dwarves -- tall hats, etc.

It was a great tour. We saw the waterwheels that were used inside the mountain to provide power to lift the ore out -- huge wheels that were placed into cavities chipped out of the solid stone of the mountain.

--
Mona Houser
HeritageHunt(a)sandyview.info
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/

[HN] Lookup in Bremen

Date: 2005/03/13 03:39:45
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Lena:  May I also take advantage of your offer to do a look-up in Bremen?  I am seeking the marriage of Marie Dorothee (Doris) Bruns to Johann (Hans) Menten about 1870-1.  She was from Vilsen (Bruchhausen-Vilsen), my grandmother's sister, but there is no marriage record in Vilsen.  So I am quite sure they were married in Bremen, as they lived there for the rest of her life and all their children were born there.  Also anything else you can find on Johann Menten (birth and death info, his parents, etc.)
Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.      Jane    in Florida


Jane Swan
jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Re: [HN] Did I do this right?

Date: 2005/03/13 06:37:59
From: BGKnoche <BGKnoche(a)aol.com>

Ralf, bless you, bless you!  I was concerned that the email address  may not 
be correct.  I have resent my request to the address you provided  so will see 
what transpires now.
Tried the site but since it is in German (and I am sorely lacking in the  
language) was not able to figure anything out there.  BUT I did bookmark it  for 
future reference (in case one of our sons come for a visit & can still -  
hopefully - read German).
Thanks so much!
Betty
 
Hi,

I do not want to jump in here as bad guy ;-)

But first of  all, check the address. Correct e-mail address for the
Kirchenbuchamt  Hannover is
kirchenbuchamt.staki.hannover(a)evlka.de

And you can make a  call to Birgit Klein, check  here:
http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/

Regards,
Ralf  Stamporek


Re: [HN] Suche Kramm(e)

Date: 2005/03/13 10:53:05
From: Heinrich Munk <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo Franz-Otto, in Gadenstedt ist der Name Kramm nicht selten, die Familie bewirtschaftete z. B. 1937 die Höfe Nr. 118 und 119, der Name Grote ist auch in der Gegend nicht selten, alles Gute Heinrich
"fo singer" <fosinger(a)aon.at> schrieb:
> Liebe Listenmitglieder,
> 
> ich suche Näheres über die Eltern von Johanna Sophie Friederike Kramm(e) * 20 Okt 1797 in Wolfenbüttel
> verheiratete Grote  + 12 Mär 1880 in Gadenstedt
> 
> Vater :  August /Kramm(e)
> Mutter: Frederike Kreukborn
> 
> Grüße aus dem winterlichen Kleinwalsertal
> 
> Franz-Otto Singer
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> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 


[HN] Kirchenbuchlatein: Operarii lutheranii

Date: 2005/03/13 11:59:29
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Kirchenbuchlatein: Operarii lutheranii

Guten Tag,

in einem katholischen Kirchenbuch findet sich um 1750 häufig
der Zusatz hinter dem Namen „operarii lutheranii“, z.B. „
Henricus  Müller,  operarii lutheranii“.

Dies bedeutet zweifelsfrei, dass es sich um einen Lutheraner
handelte. Ein Forscherkollege deutet  den ersten teil
„Operarii“ als Berufsbezeichnung Tagelöhner. Das wäre die
klassische Übersetzung Latein-Deutsch.

Nun steht dieser erste Teil des Zusatzes  aber bei allen
Einträgen von erwachsenen Lutheranern im kath. KB. .

Ich deute daher Operarii im Sinne von  „wirken, tätig sein
als“  also den gesamten Zusatz als
„er wirkt als , er ist ein Lutheraner“ und nicht als Beruf.

Zu Absicherung dieser meiner Deutung ist mir Ihre Meinung
wichtig.
Hatten Sie schon einmal ähnliche Einträge?

 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag





[HN] Forschung in Eschershausen

Date: 2005/03/13 13:53:58
From: Hagemann2702 <Hagemann2702(a)aol.com>

Guten Tag in die Runde,
 
forscht jemand von Ihnen im Eschershausen nach der Familie  
Schoppmeyer/Schoppmeier. Ich wäre sehr an einem Informationsaustausch  interessiert.
 
Gern auch dierekt. _Hagemann2702(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Hagemann2702(a)aol.com) 
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
 
Uwe

[HN] Eschershausen

Date: 2005/03/13 13:57:00
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Welches E. ist gemeint?
Es gibt zwei Orte, die relativ dicht bei einander liegen.
E. Krs. Holzminden, ehemals Amtsgerichtsort und
E. im Solling, unweit Uslar

- 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:53:44 +0100
> Subject: [HN] Forschung in Eschershausen
> From: Hagemann2702(a)aol.com
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

> Guten Tag in die Runde,
> 
> forscht jemand von Ihnen im Eschershausen nach der Familie
> Schoppmeyer/Schoppmeier. Ich wäre sehr an einem
Informationsaustausch 
> interessiert.
> 
> Gern auch dierekt. _Hagemann2702(a)aol.com_
> (mailto:Hagemann2702(a)aol.com) 
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> 
> Uwe
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Re: [HN] Eschershausen

Date: 2005/03/13 14:00:26
From: Hagemann2702 <Hagemann2702(a)aol.com>

Guten Tag Herr Freytag,
 
ich meine das Eschershausen/Holzminden. Mein Forschungsschwerpunkt ist der  
Raum Einbeck/Alfeld/Hildesheim/Eschershausen.
 
Einen schönen Tag
Uwe

Re: [HN] Kirchenbuchlatein: Operarii lutheranii

Date: 2005/03/13 18:16:43
From: Heinrich Munk <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo reinhard J., operarius wird auch oft einfach als Handwerker übersetzt, alles Gute Heinrich
"Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de" <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Kirchenbuchlatein: Operarii lutheranii
> 
> Guten Tag,
> 
> in einem katholischen Kirchenbuch findet sich um 1750 häufig
> der Zusatz hinter dem Namen operarii lutheranii, z.B. 
> Henricus  Müller,  operarii lutheranii.
> 
> Dies bedeutet zweifelsfrei, dass es sich um einen Lutheraner
> handelte. Ein Forscherkollege deutet  den ersten teil
> Operarii als Berufsbezeichnung Tagelöhner. Das wäre die
> klassische Übersetzung Latein-Deutsch.
> 
> Nun steht dieser erste Teil des Zusatzes  aber bei allen
> Einträgen von erwachsenen Lutheranern im kath. KB. .
> 
> Ich deute daher Operarii im Sinne von  wirken, tätig sein
> als  also den gesamten Zusatz als
> er wirkt als , er ist ein Lutheraner und nicht als Beruf.
> 
> Zu Absicherung dieser meiner Deutung ist mir Ihre Meinung
> wichtig.
> Hatten Sie schon einmal ähnliche Einträge?
> 
>  
> In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
> vorwärts
> 
> Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
> Universitätsstadt Göttingen
> Reinhard J. Freytag
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 


Re: [HN] Hilfe

Date: 2005/03/13 22:10:56
From: Ursula Schlotz-Winkel <Ursula.Schlotz(a)web.de>

Hallo Herbert,

die neue e-mail-Adresse von Marion Reckewell ist: mahefri(a)htp/tel.de
Aus Zeitgründen hat sie sich vorübergehend aus den Listen ausgetragen.

Gruß

Ursula


Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> schrieb am 08.03.05 11:01:42:
> 
> Ich hatte Kontakt mit Marion Reckewell, aber die eMail Adresse stimmt nicht mehr.
> 
> Kann hier jemand helfen ??
> 
> Gruß
> 
> Herbert
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[HN] GIESELMAN- help please

Date: 2005/03/14 00:45:31
From: Rita Broeker <gardenwench4(a)charter.net>

I have not  been able  to work  the 
Hannover archives, but  it states  it found an entry  for GIESELMAN, 
Hann. 74 Calenberg Nr. 749
Could  some  kind  soul  find  the names  that go with  this . Thank  you.

Rita  Broeker
Missouri

Re: [HN] GIESELMAN- help please

Date: 2005/03/14 07:04:52
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Rita,

    I'm baffled on this one.  I see where you got the entry for Gieselman
(on the first page after you chose Hannover). I never do a search that way.
I go to the Index, then enter the name and chose Personen.  However, I get
nothing when I search for Gieselman there. I don't know why.
 
    Is your Gieselman an emigrant?  Maybe there are names there that are not
emigrants.  I suppose what I would do is write an email to the archives of
Hannover, list the name and the code, and ask for the given name.  Tell them
you don't want to order a record for the wrong person.

   poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de

    However, the code does show a definite tie between Gieselman(n) and
Calenberg - it could be the birthplace, residence, or the place of origin
before emigration. 
    Maybe someone else has a better idea.

Barbara


on 3/13/05 4:41 PM, Rita Broeker at gardenwench4(a)charter.net wrote:

> I have not  been able  to work  the
> Hannover archives, but  it states  it found an entry  for GIESELMAN,
> Hann. 74 Calenberg Nr. 749
> Could  some  kind  soul  find  the names  that go with  this . Thank  you.
> 
> Rita  Broeker
> Missouri
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Re: [HN] GIESELMAN- help please

Date: 2005/03/14 08:50:55
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)T-Online.de>

Rita Broeker schrieb:
I have not been able to work the Hannover archives, but it states it found an entry for GIESELMAN, Hann. 74 Calenberg Nr. 749
Could  some  kind  soul  find  the names  that go with  this . Thank  you.

Rita  Broeker
Missouri
_______________________________________________

Hello Rita Broeker in Missouri,

I´m wondering if your GIESELMAN may have any connection to:
Henrietta GIESSELMANN, *22.02.1864 in Boston ?
                       +01.03.1900 in New York

I don´t know more than she was married (1888 in New York?)to:
Arno VAHLBRUCH, *06.05.1859 in Hannover(?),
     alternativ:*06.05.1858 in Salzhemmendorf(?)
                 Calenberger Land
        he died +03.06.1932 in New York

There are some other persons/names which may give you some
idears: Al (Albert) FENSKE, BORDTHASER.

Greetings
Klaus (Vahlbruch) D-73779 Deizisau, near Stuttgart, Geremany



[HN] Neuvorstellung: BRAHMST und SILJACKS aus Holenwisch

Date: 2005/03/14 12:30:01
From: Opper <ke.opper(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

ich bin Dr. Karl Heinz Opper aus Wunstorf. Nachdem ich als Mitglied der Hessischen Familiengeschichtlichen Vereinigung bislang meine eigene Familie in Oberhessen und der ehemaligen Provinz Nassau (weitgehend) erforscht habe, will ich mich jetzt der Familie meiner Frau zuwenden.
Einige Spuren führen an die Niederelbe, u.a.:
Ratje BRAHMST, * und + in Holenwisch, oo mit Katharina SILJACKS. Zeitlich lassen sie sich nur einordnen durch die bekannten Daten eines Sohnes des Paares:
Johann Carsten BRAHMST, * 11.1.1857 in Holenwisch, oo mit Ida Helene Johanne Sophie RICKLEFFS, * 4.6.1861 in Atens, + 5.3.1956 in Bremerhaven.

Für alle Hinweise, die mich auf der Fährte an der Niederelbe witer führen, wäre ich sehr dankbar.
Viele Grüße aus Wunstorf
Karl Heinz Opper

[HN] Success! and some more help

Date: 2005/03/14 17:38:48
From: BGKnoche <BGKnoche(a)aol.com>

Well folks, here is the answer I was seeking - if I could only understand  
it!  Thanks to Ralf for providing the correct address  AND the website  that is 
also referred to in the email!
NOW, could someone please tell me what it says?  I tried the  translator & 
the gist of it I think is what sort of a search do I  want.  An excerpt from the 
marriage register is 5.00 euros and a copy from  the church book would be 
1.50 euros plus search & postage.  They list  the page for rates as well (which I 
cannot read either!)  So how much do I  send?  Where do I send it?  AND what 
do I really want - the excerpt or  copy?  (I was hoping to learn parents or 
possibly other relatives, and  confirmation on location of birth.  Then I want 
to proceed to get  documentation from those locations as well.)
So, do I reply in English? or must I continue to rely on someone (like you  
wonderful people) to help me out?
email I received:
Sehr geehrte Frau Knoche,

wir haben Ihre e - mail vom 13.03.2005  erhalten und möchten Sie bitten, 
unseren Arbeitsauftrag etwas genauer zu  definieren:

Möchten Sie einen Auszug aus dem Heiratsregister, dieses  würde 5,00 € kosten 
oder möchten Sie eine Microfiche - Ablichtung (soetwas wie  eine Kopie) aus 
dem Kirchenbuch, dieses würde 1,50 € kosten. Zusätzlich kommen  natürlich immer 
noch etwaige Gebühren für unsere Sucharbeit und  Portokosten.
Unsere Gebührensätze können Sie auch im Internet unter 
_http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/kirchenbuchamt_gebuehren.html_ 
(http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/kirchenbuchamt_gebuehren.html)  finden.

Zahlen  müßten Sie mit einem Scheck, der auf eine deutsche Bank ausgestellt  
ist.

Wir freuen uns auf Ihre Rückantwort und verbleiben
mit  freundlichen Grüßen
Im Auftrag,
S. Höhne


Thanks!
Betty

[HN] KOKE (KOUCKE)

Date: 2005/03/14 21:49:42
From: Koke <h.e.koke(a)hccnet.nl>

Den Helder, 14-03-2005.

Sehr Geerhter Leser/Leserin,

Ich suche Nachkommen von Adolf August Friedrich KOUCKE ( KOKE) gebohren 27-02-1758 Dissen ATW und gestorben 27-03-1814 Peine Niedersachsen.  Er war verheiratet mit Christina OBERBECK und hatte mehrere Kindern.
Weitere Information ueber meine Ahnen und meine Verwandschaft mit Adolf Friedrich August KOKE findet  auf mein Website  http://home.hccnet.nl/h.e.koke/ .

Hendrik Ernst KOKE
Den Helder 
Niederlande
0223-61 43 18

RE: [HN] Re: Meinecke

Date: 2005/03/14 23:20:11
From: gill buttery <g_buttery(a)hotmail.com>

Hi Lena
I would be very grateful indeed if you could any information about my great grandmother.
The only information I have is:
Full Name - Johanne Louise Gesine Meinecke
Born - 1855 in Bremen
Parents - Ludwig & Beta Meinecke (Ludwig's mother may have been Johanna Meinecke b. 1789)

Her parents may well have married in Bremen as that is where Beta was also born, in 1832 (I do not know her maiden name)

I also have a William (b. 1843) and Louis (b. 1861) Geissler/Gissler/Geisler. Brothers, both born in Bremen who are some relation to Johanne Meinecke.

Thank you for taking the time to help.

Regards
Gill






From: "Lena Fellmann" <lena(a)fellmannweb.de>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Re: Meinecke
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:36:39 +0100

Hi Gill,

If you need information from Bremen, I could try to find the birth entry for
your great grandmother. Her parents might have married in Bremen, too.

Regards from Bremen

Lena

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:56:27 +0000
> From: "gill buttery" <g_buttery(a)hotmail.com>
> Subject: [HN] MEINECKE
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Message-ID: <BAY101-F4573F173CD9E9BABF936D8E530(a)phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Hi everybody.
> Thank you to all who helped with the whereabouts of the places I was
looking
> for.
>
> I wonder if anyone out there has any information about my ancestors.
>
> My great, great grandfather was was Louis (Ludwig) MEINECKE. He was born
> 1831 in Andreasburg (I think), Hannover. His wife was Beta, born 1832 in
> Bremen. Their daughter, Johanne Louise Gesine Meinecke, was also born in
> Bremen in 1855.
> They were living in Hull, Yorkshire, England from 1871.
>
> I would love to find out more about Ludwig Meinecke and family.
> Are there such things as a German census, or where could I find a marriage
> or birth certificate?
> I am obviously new to this. Any help would be grayefully received
>
> Gill
>
>
>
>


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Re: [HN] Re: Meinecke

Date: 2005/03/15 08:45:37
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)T-Online.de>

gill buttery schrieb:
Hi Lena
I would be very grateful indeed if you could any information about my great grandmother.
The only information I have is:
Full Name - Johanne Louise Gesine Meinecke
Born - 1855 in Bremen
Parents - Ludwig & Beta Meinecke (Ludwig's mother may have been Johanna Meinecke b. 1789)

Her parents may well have married in Bremen as that is where Beta was also born, in 1832 (I do not know her maiden name)

I also have a William (b. 1843) and Louis (b. 1861) Geissler/Gissler/Geisler. Brothers, both born in Bremen who are some relation to Johanne Meinecke.

Thank you for taking the time to help.

Regards
Gill

********************************************************
Hello Gill,

for MEINECHE in Bremen look at: http://adressbuecher.genealogy.net/
--> Nachname .....  --> LOS

You´l find 2 MEINECKEs in Bremen (1908)
May be it helps.

Look for Geissler/Gissler/Geisler too.

Regards
Klaus


[HN] Müldnerund Tietz im Königreich Hannover

Date: 2005/03/15 22:34:09
From: David Muldner <david.muldner(a)gmail.com>

Liebe Hannoveraner

Als Student der Archivistik in Amsterdam bearbeite schon seit einigen
Jahre mit der Forschung nach meine Ahnen Müldner. Unterstehende Daten
lassen sich ansehen, dass meine Familie aus Kurhessen in Hannover kam.
Ich bin auf der Suche nach Eheschliessungen der untergenannte Tochter
der Lorenz Wilhelm Friedrich Müldner, sowie nach Namensvorkommen
Müldner in sonstige Verbindungen

Auch vorkommen der Name Tietz in Hildesheim interessieren mich ungeheuer


VII Lorenz Wilhelm Friedrich Müldner, geboren Kassel 28.6.1816,
getauft Kassel-Altstadt 14.7.1816  Buchhalter , Bürger in Hannover
(6.7.1850), Kaufmann, Freimaurer, gestorben (Leberleiden) Hannover 12
.10.1874, begraben Hannover /15.10.1874, verheiratet (ref.)Hannover
(Marktkirche) 12.9.1850 Johanna Catharina Antoinette Louise Tietz,
geboren Hildesheim 18.5.1820, Inhaberin eines Putzgeschafts (1854,
1867)  gestorben(luth.)Hannover (Ägidienkirche) 3.5.1873.
Kinder aus dieser Ehe:
1. Anna Elisabeth Justine Müldner, geboren Hannover 12.9.1851, getauft
(ref.) Hannover 13.9.1851 (Patinnen: Anna Helene Feldmann, Sophie
Elisabeth Gräber, Justine Catharine Tietz), verheiratet (in seiner II.
Ehe ) Hannover 21.12.1874 Carl Osterwald, geboren Feuerschützenbostel
6.1.1845, Ingenieur bei der Norddeutsche Lloyd in Bremerhaven, Sohn
dessen Friedrich Conrad O. und dessen Dorothea Sabine Schönhof.
2. Amelie Pauline Müldner, geboren Hannover 23.3.1853, getauft 
(ref.)Hannover 16.5.1853 (Patinnen: unverehelichte Pauline Therese
Schuhmacher in Hamburg, Pastorin Amalie Tietz, geboren Küneke, in
Horst)
3. Dora Elise Emilie Eleonora Müldner, geboren Hannover 19.8.1856,
getauft (ref.) Hannover 26.10.1856 (Patinnen: Eleonore Elisabeth
Vörlmann, unverehelicht, aus Hildesheim, Louise Fuldmann aus Eykel,
Dora Emilie Tietz, unverehelicht, aus Hildesheim.)

Besten Dank im voraus,

-- 
David Müldner
Niederlanden

RE: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme

Date: 2005/03/16 00:30:06
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Hello,

My cousin is Bredenkamp....

Secret. Only saying because..

I recognize surname Honkomp.

Neat thing would be to find ?????

Friends.


From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net, hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:24:22 +0100

Hello Listmembers,
I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from Damme-Rottinghausen.
Can somebody check the Census 1850?
Thank you, Werner Honkomp
---------------------------------------------------------
Werner Honkomp                  werner(a)honkomp.de
Ziegelhofstr. 35b                    www.honkomp.de
26121 Oldenburg                 Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230

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[HN] Brook, von/Leutermann/Pass/Eberhardt

Date: 2005/03/16 16:24:16
From: Rick von Brook <wb2txf(a)earthlink.net>

I am looking for information on any of the above names.
My great grandfather was Heinrich von Brook.  His wife was Johanna Eberhardt and they lived in Oxstedt, near Cuxhaven.  All of their sons, Heinrich, Freiderich and Wilhelm emigrated to the U.S. around the turn of the last century.
My other great grandfather was Moritz Leutermann.  His wife was Anna Pass and they lived in Altenbruch, also near Cuxhaven.  Most of their children also emigrated to the U.S. at about the same time.

I have been told that our name was most likely von Brock, but all my references in this country show the spelling as Brook.

Any references to churches in the area or government offices would also be greatly appreciated.  Not being fluent in the language, the political subdivisions of the area are very confusing to me.


Rick von Brook
wb2txf(a)earthlink.net

[HN] re: Did I do this right? - update

Date: 2005/03/16 17:09:56
From: BGKnoche <BGKnoche(a)aol.com>

Many thanks to those of you who have shown support in my ongoing  search!
Ralf  Stamporek noticed I had the incorrect email address and provided  the 
correct email address:  _kirchenbuchamt.staki.hannover(a)evlka.de_ 
(mailto:kirchenbuchamt.staki.hannover(a)evlka.de) 
and they were most responsive!  (Barbara Stewart recommend I write in  
English and that was terrific!  I could read the replies!)  However,  the records 
for the church were only on microfiche up to 1852 and they don't  know when the 
date I need (1858) would be available. It was suggested I write to  the parish 
or wait.  I have the address (which Barbara also provided) and  will try that 
next.  (Do you suppose I dare write in English?)
However, I thought I would I would pass on that the email address Ralf  
provided DOES work!  Also the site _http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/_ 
(http://www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/)    may provide information for 
others - if you read German!
Thanks again to all of you who have been responsive and supportive!  I  may 
be no closer to getting the marriage record of Claus Peter Knoche and  
Christine Karsten but at least I know more now than I did before.  And  shall continue 
the search!
Betty Knoche

Re: [HN] Brook, von/Leutermann/Pass/Eberhardt

Date: 2005/03/16 21:29:00
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Rick,

     If you live near a LDS (Mormon) center, you can order microfilm for the
church in Altenwalde, which is north of Oxstedt.  It would seem likely that
is where the people from Oxstedt went to church. I haven't found
verification for that however. There is now a church in Nordholz, but that
was more recently built.

      As for Altenbruch, the LDS doesn't have copies of the church records,
but there is a good website which includes an email address for that church:

   http://www.kirche-altenbruch.de/

    I hope this can be of some help to you.

Barbara





on 3/16/05 8:23 AM, Rick von Brook at wb2txf(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> I am looking for information on any of the above names.
> My great grandfather was Heinrich von Brook.  His wife was Johanna Eberhardt
> and they lived in Oxstedt, near Cuxhaven.  All of their sons, Heinrich,
> Freiderich and Wilhelm emigrated to the U.S. around the turn of the last
> century.
> My other great grandfather was Moritz Leutermann.  His wife was Anna Pass and
> they lived in Altenbruch, also near Cuxhaven.  Most of their children also
> emigrated to the U.S. at about the same time.
> 
> I have been told that our name was most likely von Brock, but all my
> references in this country show the spelling as Brook.
> 
> Any references to churches in the area or government offices would also be
> greatly appreciated.  Not being fluent in the language, the political
> subdivisions of the area are very confusing to me.
> 
> 
> Rick von Brook
> wb2txf(a)earthlink.net
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[HN] Re: Werner Honko

Date: 2005/03/17 01:50:41
From: ted wendeln <wendeln_tb(a)yahoo.com>

Werner,  
 
I checked the 1860 and 1870 census online (don't have 1850).  The only BRANDKAMP's I found were both in 1870 census:
 
Edward BRANDKAMP, Crawfordsville, Indiana, Age 50, Born Prussia.
Stephen BRANDKAMP, Cole, Missouri, Age 66, Born Prussia
 
I will check the 1850 census the next time I get to Cincinnatti.  I'll also check the city directories since so many Germans came through there in the 1840s.
 
I haven't been able to spend anytime lately in the Hannover or Oldenburg lists, but you asked several months ago about Johann Heinrich SCHMIESING.  I checked the 1850 census and the Cincinnatti city directories.  The only SCMIESING's I found were:
 
Frank SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1825
 
Anton SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1828; Wife Gertrude, Born Oldenburg 1838
Living in Stearns, Minnesota.
 
John Henry SCHMIESING, Born Stearns 1851
 
ted wendeln
dayton, ohio
 

hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net wrote:
>From: Werner Honkomp 
>Reply-To: Hannover-L 
>To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net, hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Subject: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme
>Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:24:22 +0100
>
>Hello Listmembers,
>I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from 
>Damme-Rottinghausen.
>Can somebody check the Census 1850?
>Thank you, Werner Honkomp
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Werner Honkomp werner(a)honkomp.de
>Ziegelhofstr. 35b www.honkomp.de
>26121 Oldenburg Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230
>
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Re: [HN] Brook, von/Leutermann/Pass/Eberhardt

Date: 2005/03/17 07:12:20
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello again,
     The LDS list a Johanna Dorothea Eberhard born in the town of Spieka in
1831. Spieka is south of Oxstedt.  Her parents were Erich Friederich and
Catharina Dorothea Eberhard.  The spelling without the final "t" probably
would not be significant. There is an earlier Johanna born in 1799 in
Spieka.  The LDS also have the church records for Spieka.  This may not be
of any significance to you, but the town is in the same general area of your
ancestors. 
Good luck,
Barbara



on 3/16/05 8:23 AM, Rick von Brook at wb2txf(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> I am looking for information on any of the above names.
> My great grandfather was Heinrich von Brook.  His wife was Johanna Eberhardt
> and they lived in Oxstedt, near Cuxhaven.  All of their sons, Heinrich,
> Freiderich and Wilhelm emigrated to the U.S. around the turn of the last
> century.
> My other great grandfather was Moritz Leutermann.  His wife was Anna Pass and
> they lived in Altenbruch, also near Cuxhaven.  Most of their children also
> emigrated to the U.S. at about the same time.
> 
> I have been told that our name was most likely von Brock, but all my
> references in this country show the spelling as Brook.
> 
> Any references to churches in the area or government offices would also be
> greatly appreciated.  Not being fluent in the language, the political
> subdivisions of the area are very confusing to me.
> 
> 
> Rick von Brook
> wb2txf(a)earthlink.net
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Re: [HN] Brook, von/Leutermann/Pass/Eberhardt

Date: 2005/03/17 16:05:22
From: Rick von Brook <wb2txf(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for the tips and advice.  I am within 45 minutes of an LDS center so
that is an option I should explore.  I'm afraid the Johanna Eberhard you
found would have been too old to be my great grandmother, but I might
consider the option that a niece might have also been named Johanna.  I
think the Spieka connection might be worth exploring further.

I really appreciate the efforts you have put forth to help me.  Thank you
very much.

Rick

> [Original Message]
> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: 3/17/2005 3:36:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Brook, von/Leutermann/Pass/Eberhardt
>
> Hello again,
>      The LDS list a Johanna Dorothea Eberhard born in the town of Spieka
in
> 1831. Spieka is south of Oxstedt.  Her parents were Erich Friederich and
> Catharina Dorothea Eberhard.  The spelling without the final "t" probably
> would not be significant. There is an earlier Johanna born in 1799 in
> Spieka.  The LDS also have the church records for Spieka.  This may not be
> of any significance to you, but the town is in the same general area of
your
> ancestors. 
> Good luck,
> Barbara
>



[HN] Familie HOLWEIN

Date: 2005/03/17 20:18:47
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

durch Zusendung erhielt ich die Information, dass zu obiger Familie etliches in dem Werk steht:


Wirtgen, Bernhard, 300 Jahre Stader Buchdruck. Stade 1960

Elias Holwein 1651-159 in Stade
Elias Witwe und deren Sohn Caspar Holwein (1659-1717)

Viele Grüße

Klaus Riecken
www.Riecken-online.de

Re: [HN] Suche Kramm(e)

Date: 2005/03/17 21:43:34
From: fo singer <fosinger(a)aon.at>


lieber Heinrich Munk,

vielen Dank für die Nachricht, ich werde diese Spur aufnehmen. Aus den Erzählungen meiner Großmutter ist mir noch in Erinnerung, daß sie weitläufig mit dem Tennisbaron über diese Linie verwandt war. Vielleicht eröffnet sich da eine weitere Möglichkeit.

freundliche Grüße und vielen Dank

Franz-Otto


Re: [HN] Familie HOLWEIN

Date: 2005/03/18 01:07:19
From: GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au>

Thank you for your message Klaus.  I do not speak German very well but I
understand you are saying there is a 300 Jahre Stader Buchdruck by Bernhard
Wirtgen, published for Stade in 1960.

Would you kindly tell me who I might email to ask someone to look up
information for me out of this book.

Kind regards

Marlene Brennan,
Brisbane, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Riecken" <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover -Liste" <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:23 AM
Subject: [HN] Familie HOLWEIN


Liebe Listenmitglieder,

durch Zusendung erhielt ich die Information, dass zu obiger Familie etliches
in dem Werk steht:


Wirtgen, Bernhard, 300 Jahre Stader Buchdruck. Stade 1960

Elias Holwein 1651-159 in Stade
Elias Witwe und deren Sohn Caspar Holwein (1659-1717)

Viele Grüße

Klaus Riecken
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[HN] Looking for town in Beuthen, Germany

Date: 2005/03/18 04:04:10
From: darlene baltus <dbaltus(a)2z.net>

My sister in law said she had lived on the border of Poland and Germany. She was born in Beuthen. Is there a place spelled Oberslagen or Obepschlesian that would be in the state of Beuthen?  She gave me some names but I did not know how to spell them.  Some other names were Cornwest Heim and Luteswigbord/Ludwigsburg?  Perhaps there is someone out there that may be more familiar with the towns in Beuthen/Bavaria?  Thank you in advance.  DB

Re: [HN] Looking for town in Beuthen, Germany

Date: 2005/03/18 05:38:04
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,

    Perhaps this page will help you locate Beuthen in Poland. It is also
called Bytom. There is reference there to Oberschlesien:
   http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/beuthen/beuthen.html

  Mapqwest.com can also be of help.  There are 4 cities named Ludswigburg
listed there in Germany.  I presume you may be interested in the one which
is just northeast of Prenzlau.  (Not far from the Polish border).

   There is a city called Kornwestheim which is just north of Stuttgart.
That is in Württemberg (now called Baden-Württemberg).

Barbara

on 3/17/05 8:05 PM, darlene baltus at dbaltus(a)2z.net wrote:

> My sister in law said she had lived on the border of Poland and Germany. She
> was born in Beuthen. Is there a place spelled Oberslagen or Obepschlesian that
> would be in the state of Beuthen?  She gave me some names but I did not know
> how to spell them.  Some other names were Cornwest Heim and
> Luteswigbord/Ludwigsburg?  Perhaps there is someone out there that may be more
> familiar with the towns in Beuthen/Bavaria?  Thank you in advance.  DB
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Re: [HN] Looking for town in Beuthen, Germany

Date: 2005/03/18 06:20:03
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

Try _www.kartenmeister.com_ (http://www.kartenmeister.com)  I  found 5 hits.
Eric

[HN] Beuthen, Oberschlesien

Date: 2005/03/18 09:31:20
From: KlausKunzeUslar <KlausKunzeUslar(a)aol.com>

look at: _http://kunze.ahnenforschung.net/familienforschung/as/muschalik.htm_ 
(http://kunze.ahnenforschung.net/familienforschung/as/muschalik.htm) 

[HN] Link zu Familiennamen: Deutsch etc.

Date: 2005/03/18 09:59:01
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo Listige,

hier der heutige Link zum Artikel zu Familiennamen in der "Welt":

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/03/18/612402.html

Mit den besten Grüssen zum Wochenende

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672 Verein Computergenealogie

Re: [HN] Familie HOLWEIN in Stade

Date: 2005/03/18 15:38:22
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Hello Marlene,

I suppose Klaus` information refers to the article "Die Königlich-Schwedische 
privilegierte Buchdruckerei in Stade - Elias Holwein und seine Nachfolger von 
1651 bis 1848" published by Bernhard Wirtgen in the annual "Stader Jahrbuch 
1959". Therein lots of members of the family Holwein are specified.

I do have that annual. Please advise details you want to know.

Kind regards
Albin von Spreckelsen 

Re: [HN] Familie HOLWEIN

Date: 2005/03/18 17:56:32
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Marlene,

please ask in this list for the information you want to k now.
Regards
Klaus
----- Original Message -----
From: "GapCreek" <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Familie HOLWEIN


> Thank you for your message Klaus.  I do not speak German very well but I
> understand you are saying there is a 300 Jahre Stader Buchdruck by
Bernhard
> Wirtgen, published for Stade in 1960.
>
> Would you kindly tell me who I might email to ask someone to look up
> information for me out of this book.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Marlene Brennan,
> Brisbane, Australia
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Klaus Riecken" <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>
> To: "Hannover -Liste" <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:23 AM
> Subject: [HN] Familie HOLWEIN
>
>
> Liebe Listenmitglieder,
>
> durch Zusendung erhielt ich die Information, dass zu obiger Familie
etliches
> in dem Werk steht:
>
>
> Wirtgen, Bernhard, 300 Jahre Stader Buchdruck. Stade 1960
>
> Elias Holwein 1651-159 in Stade
> Elias Witwe und deren Sohn Caspar Holwein (1659-1717)
>
> Viele Grüße
>
> Klaus Riecken
> www.Riecken-online.de
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[HN] Zufallsfund

Date: 2005/03/18 19:30:15
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Hallo,

bei der Durchsicht der in Breda, Iowa, USA herausgegebenen Zeitung "Ostfriesische Nachrichten", 1927 fand ich heute  folgende Lokalmeldung:
"Ireton, Iowa:    Gestorben ist am 1. Febr. auch unser Nachbar Heinrich THORWELLE im Alter von 76 Jahren. Er stammte aus der Gegend von Hannover."

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Hans-Georg Boyken
Titonka, Iowa 50480-0269, USA

Re: [HN] Zufallsfund - Thorwelle

Date: 2005/03/18 19:55:22
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo all` Ihr Niedersachsen,
hier eine weitergeleitete Mail auch der Hannover-Liste:

"...Nähe von Hannover..." geht das nicht Euch an?

Viele Grüße
Klaus (Vahlbruch) aus Baden-Württemberg
********************************************************


Boyken & Boyken Partners schrieb:
Hallo,

bei der Durchsicht der in Breda, Iowa, USA herausgegebenen Zeitung "Ostfriesische Nachrichten", 1927 fand ich heute  folgende Lokalmeldung:
"Ireton, Iowa:    Gestorben ist am 1. Febr. auch unser Nachbar Heinrich THORWELLE im Alter von 76 Jahren. Er stammte aus der Gegend von Hannover."

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Hans-Georg Boyken
Titonka, Iowa 50480-0269, USA
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[HN] Family LIENAU and also Famiy BRUNS both from Stade

Date: 2005/03/19 13:52:49
From: GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au>

Hullo Albin,

Thank you for your kind offer.  I have an ancestor Heinrich LIENAU who died
in Stade in 1677.  I believe he was married to a Margarethe Bolst.  Other
Lienau's I have are Christina born on 30 September 1741, Johann Lienau born
14 December 1669 and Johan Nicholas Lienau.

I think the Lienau family were also in Hamburg.  I don't know much about
this Lienau family but am keen to learn more.  Are there any Lienau's in
that book?

Another branch of the family who were in Stade are the family of Hinrich
Christoffer BRUNS.  He firstly married Ilseabe Christina Heumann who died in
1789.  After this  he married Catharina Sussan Wohlers on 4 November 1790.

I do not know much about my BRUNS family and wondered if they might also be
mentioned in the Buchdruckerei in Stade.

 I would greatly appreciate any information you might be able to gather from
the abovementioned book.

Kind regards

Marlene, Brisbane
Australia




----- Original Message -----
From: <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Familie HOLWEIN in Stade


Hello Marlene,

I suppose Klaus` information refers to the article "Die
Königlich-Schwedische
privilegierte Buchdruckerei in Stade - Elias Holwein und seine Nachfolger
von
1651 bis 1848" published by Bernhard Wirtgen in the annual "Stader Jahrbuch
1959". Therein lots of members of the family Holwein are specified.

I do have that annual. Please advise details you want to know.

Kind regards
Albin von Spreckelsen
_______________________________________________
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http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] Margarethe von Baumbach

Date: 2005/03/19 16:42:08
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo,

Ich suche die Lebensdaten, Eltern und Nachkommen von
Margarethe von BAUMBACH, geboren um 1530.
Sie war verheiratet mit Hans von HOYM. Ein Schwiegersohn war Andreas KALE, Drost in Neustadt a.Rbg.


	Christoph Haupt



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Haupt'S finden&suchen
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Am Friedenstal 1/3
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TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
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[HN] Message for Ted Wendeln

Date: 2005/03/19 19:51:17
From: Jim <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>

Hello Ted
I read that you say that there is a city directory for Cincinnati. I wonder
if it is possible that there is some where that I may find a copy of it on
the internet. I am searching for information about
John Heinrich Decker who married Maria Engel Grubins on 28 Oct 1846. I have
a copy of the marriage license from the Court of Common Pleas and signed by
Francis Maurice Raching a minister of the Gospel. It would be interesting to
know at what church Raching was a minister. Robert Rau of Cincinnati also
sent me a copy of a page from the St. Mathaius Church of Cincinnati where
their names were mention but I don't remember that having to do anything
with a marriage.
If it is the family that I am looking for they later lived in Santa Claus,
Indiana.
Thank you in advance for any help that you may offer.
Jim Decker

----- Original Message -----
From: "ted wendeln" <wendeln_tb(a)yahoo.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: [HN] Re: Werner Honko


> Werner,
>
> I checked the 1860 and 1870 census online (don't have 1850).  The only
BRANDKAMP's I found were both in 1870 census:
>
> Edward BRANDKAMP, Crawfordsville, Indiana, Age 50, Born Prussia.
> Stephen BRANDKAMP, Cole, Missouri, Age 66, Born Prussia
>
> I will check the 1850 census the next time I get to Cincinnatti.  I'll
also check the city directories since so many Germans came through there in
the 1840s.
>
> I haven't been able to spend anytime lately in the Hannover or Oldenburg
lists, but you asked several months ago about Johann Heinrich SCHMIESING.  I
checked the 1850 census and the Cincinnatti city directories.  The only
SCMIESING's I found were:
>
> Frank SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1825
>
> Anton SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1828; Wife Gertrude, Born Oldenburg 1838
> Living in Stearns, Minnesota.
>
> John Henry SCHMIESING, Born Stearns 1851
>
> ted wendeln
> dayton, ohio
>
>
> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net wrote:
> >From: Werner Honkomp
> >Reply-To: Hannover-L
> >To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net, hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> >Subject: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme
> >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:24:22 +0100
> >
> >Hello Listmembers,
> >I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from
> >Damme-Rottinghausen.
> >Can somebody check the Census 1850?
> >Thank you, Werner Honkomp
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> >Werner Honkomp werner(a)honkomp.de
> >Ziegelhofstr. 35b www.honkomp.de
> >26121 Oldenburg Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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>
>
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Re: [HN] Message for Ted Wendeln

Date: 2005/03/19 21:39:14
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Ted,

     If you can't find a copy of the book, there is a free lookup service
provided by someone on the Hamilton County website:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamilt/lookups.html

Barbara






on 3/16/05 10:40 AM, Jim at jimcats(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> Hello Ted
> I read that you say that there is a city directory for Cincinnati. I wonder
> if it is possible that there is some where that I may find a copy of it on
> the internet. I am searching for information about
> John Heinrich Decker who married Maria Engel Grubins on 28 Oct 1846. I have
> a copy of the marriage license from the Court of Common Pleas and signed by
> Francis Maurice Raching a minister of the Gospel. It would be interesting to
> know at what church Raching was a minister. Robert Rau of Cincinnati also
> sent me a copy of a page from the St. Mathaius Church of Cincinnati where
> their names were mention but I don't remember that having to do anything
> with a marriage.
> If it is the family that I am looking for they later lived in Santa Claus,
> Indiana.
> Thank you in advance for any help that you may offer.
> Jim Decker
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ted wendeln" <wendeln_tb(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:48 PM
> Subject: [HN] Re: Werner Honko
> 
> 
>> Werner,
>> 
>> I checked the 1860 and 1870 census online (don't have 1850).  The only
> BRANDKAMP's I found were both in 1870 census:
>> 
>> Edward BRANDKAMP, Crawfordsville, Indiana, Age 50, Born Prussia.
>> Stephen BRANDKAMP, Cole, Missouri, Age 66, Born Prussia
>> 
>> I will check the 1850 census the next time I get to Cincinnatti.  I'll
> also check the city directories since so many Germans came through there in
> the 1840s.
>> 
>> I haven't been able to spend anytime lately in the Hannover or Oldenburg
> lists, but you asked several months ago about Johann Heinrich SCHMIESING.  I
> checked the 1850 census and the Cincinnatti city directories.  The only
> SCMIESING's I found were:
>> 
>> Frank SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1825
>> 
>> Anton SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1828; Wife Gertrude, Born Oldenburg 1838
>> Living in Stearns, Minnesota.
>> 
>> John Henry SCHMIESING, Born Stearns 1851
>> 
>> ted wendeln
>> dayton, ohio
>> 
>> 
>> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net wrote:
>>> From: Werner Honkomp
>>> Reply-To: Hannover-L
>>> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net, hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>>> Subject: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:24:22 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hello Listmembers,
>>> I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from
>>> Damme-Rottinghausen.
>>> Can somebody check the Census 1850?
>>> Thank you, Werner Honkomp
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>> Werner Honkomp werner(a)honkomp.de
>>> Ziegelhofstr. 35b www.honkomp.de
>>> 26121 Oldenburg Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hannover-L mailing list
>>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[HN] Thank you to those who located Beuthen and Ludwigburg! Wonderful!

Date: 2005/03/19 22:03:41
From: darlene baltus <dbaltus(a)2z.net>


































Re: [HN] Message for Ted Wendeln

Date: 2005/03/19 22:16:28
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,

    There is a book listing marriages in Cincinnati:

Title       Restored Hamilton County, Ohio marriages, 1808-1849 / indexed by
Jeffrey G. Herbert.
Author       Herbert, Jeffrey G.
Publisher       Bowie, Md. : Heritage Books, 1998.
Description       2 v. (viii, 644 p.) ; 28 cm.
 
    Depending on where you live, your local library may have a copy.  There
is one in the Denver Public Library. There is another book which lists later
marriages in Cincinnati as well.

Barbara



on 3/16/05 10:40 AM, Jim at jimcats(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> Grubins


[HN] Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf

Date: 2005/03/20 05:41:16
From: Randy Huetsch <randy.huetsch(a)eyetech.com>

Hi,
 
I noticed this email in conversation with a Betty and a Max Burgdorf
about the Huetsch family, New Hanover (which is between waterloo and
Columbia in Monroe County), and the burgdorf family which still resides
in Red Bud IL with several different links ofthe family.
 
If you want more info, please feel free to call me.
 
Regards,
Randy Huetsch
618-406-8359 cell

[HN] Re: Jim question on Francis Maurice RACHING

Date: 2005/03/20 18:55:32
From: ted wendeln <wendeln_tb(a)yahoo.com>

Jim,
 
The Cincinnati city directories are not available online.  You would need to visit the main library.  I did check the online Census for 1860 and did not find a RACHING listed.  However, the online Census that I use doesn't allow for a Soundex search and the name could have been spelled many differnt ways by the census taker.
 
Best bet is to locate someone in the Cincy area that can check the city directories.  I only get down there every couple months.  I'll make a not of this and will check the next time I'm in Cincy.
 
ted wendeln
dayton, oh

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Meldungen des Tages:

1. Family LIENAU and also Famiy BRUNS both from Stade (GapCreek)
2. Margarethe von Baumbach (CHaupt)
3. Message for Ted Wendeln (Jim)
4. Re: Message for Ted Wendeln (R&B Stewart)
5. Thank you to those who located Beuthen and Ludwigburg!
Wonderful! (darlene baltus)
6. Re: Message for Ted Wendeln (R&B Stewart)
7. Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf (Randy Huetsch)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:52:15 +1000
From: "GapCreek" 
Subject: [HN] Family LIENAU and also Famiy BRUNS both from Stade
To: "Hannover-L" 
Cc: Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com
Message-ID: <012801c52c82$7b2c5240$a53957cb(a)GAPCREEK>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hullo Albin,

Thank you for your kind offer. I have an ancestor Heinrich LIENAU who died
in Stade in 1677. I believe he was married to a Margarethe Bolst. Other
Lienau's I have are Christina born on 30 September 1741, Johann Lienau born
14 December 1669 and Johan Nicholas Lienau.

I think the Lienau family were also in Hamburg. I don't know much about
this Lienau family but am keen to learn more. Are there any Lienau's in
that book?

Another branch of the family who were in Stade are the family of Hinrich
Christoffer BRUNS. He firstly married Ilseabe Christina Heumann who died in
1789. After this he married Catharina Sussan Wohlers on 4 November 1790.

I do not know much about my BRUNS family and wondered if they might also be
mentioned in the Buchdruckerei in Stade.

I would greatly appreciate any information you might be able to gather from
the abovementioned book.

Kind regards

Marlene, Brisbane
Australia




----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Familie HOLWEIN in Stade


Hello Marlene,

I suppose Klaus` information refers to the article "Die
Königlich-Schwedische
privilegierte Buchdruckerei in Stade - Elias Holwein und seine Nachfolger
von
1651 bis 1848" published by Bernhard Wirtgen in the annual "Stader Jahrbuch
1959". Therein lots of members of the family Holwein are specified.

I do have that annual. Please advise details you want to know.

Kind regards
Albin von Spreckelsen
_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: 19 Mar 2005 15:26 GMT
From: "CHaupt" 
Subject: [HN] Margarethe von Baumbach
To: "Nobility Liste" 
Cc: Liste Hannover 
Message-ID: <1DCg55-1UUTum0(a)fwd21.sul.t-online.de>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1"

Hallo,

Ich suche die Lebensdaten, Eltern und Nachkommen von
Margarethe von BAUMBACH, geboren um 1530.
Sie war verheiratet mit Hans von HOYM. Ein Schwiegersohn war Andreas KALE, Drost in Neustadt a.Rbg.


Christoph Haupt



-- 
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Am Friedenstal 1/3
D-30627 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
www.haupt-researcher.de

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:40:47 -0800
From: "Jim" 
Subject: [HN] Message for Ted Wendeln
To: "Hannover-L" 
Message-ID: <002c01c52a4f$4a88f600$a0f85142(a)user>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello Ted
I read that you say that there is a city directory for Cincinnati. I wonder
if it is possible that there is some where that I may find a copy of it on
the internet. I am searching for information about
John Heinrich Decker who married Maria Engel Grubins on 28 Oct 1846. I have
a copy of the marriage license from the Court of Common Pleas and signed by
Francis Maurice Raching a minister of the Gospel. It would be interesting to
know at what church Raching was a minister. Robert Rau of Cincinnati also
sent me a copy of a page from the St. Mathaius Church of Cincinnati where
their names were mention but I don't remember that having to do anything
with a marriage.
If it is the family that I am looking for they later lived in Santa Claus,
Indiana.
Thank you in advance for any help that you may offer.
Jim Decker

----- Original Message -----
From: "ted wendeln" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: [HN] Re: Werner Honko


> Werner,
>
> I checked the 1860 and 1870 census online (don't have 1850). The only
BRANDKAMP's I found were both in 1870 census:
>
> Edward BRANDKAMP, Crawfordsville, Indiana, Age 50, Born Prussia.
> Stephen BRANDKAMP, Cole, Missouri, Age 66, Born Prussia
>
> I will check the 1850 census the next time I get to Cincinnatti. I'll
also check the city directories since so many Germans came through there in
the 1840s.
>
> I haven't been able to spend anytime lately in the Hannover or Oldenburg
lists, but you asked several months ago about Johann Heinrich SCHMIESING. I
checked the 1850 census and the Cincinnatti city directories. The only
SCMIESING's I found were:
>
> Frank SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1825
>
> Anton SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1828; Wife Gertrude, Born Oldenburg 1838
> Living in Stearns, Minnesota.
>
> John Henry SCHMIESING, Born Stearns 1851
>
> ted wendeln
> dayton, ohio
>
>
> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net wrote:
> >From: Werner Honkomp
> >Reply-To: Hannover-L
> >To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net, hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> >Subject: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme
> >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:24:22 +0100
> >
> >Hello Listmembers,
> >I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from
> >Damme-Rottinghausen.
> >Can somebody check the Census 1850?
> >Thank you, Werner Honkomp
> >---------------------------------------------------------
> >Werner Honkomp werner(a)honkomp.de
> >Ziegelhofstr. 35b www.honkomp.de
> >26121 Oldenburg Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:38:48 -0700
From: R&B Stewart 
Subject: Re: [HN] Message for Ted Wendeln
To: Hannover-L 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Ted,

If you can't find a copy of the book, there is a free lookup service
provided by someone on the Hamilton County website:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohhamilt/lookups.html

Barbara






on 3/16/05 10:40 AM, Jim at jimcats(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> Hello Ted
> I read that you say that there is a city directory for Cincinnati. I wonder
> if it is possible that there is some where that I may find a copy of it on
> the internet. I am searching for information about
> John Heinrich Decker who married Maria Engel Grubins on 28 Oct 1846. I have
> a copy of the marriage license from the Court of Common Pleas and signed by
> Francis Maurice Raching a minister of the Gospel. It would be interesting to
> know at what church Raching was a minister. Robert Rau of Cincinnati also
> sent me a copy of a page from the St. Mathaius Church of Cincinnati where
> their names were mention but I don't remember that having to do anything
> with a marriage.
> If it is the family that I am looking for they later lived in Santa Claus,
> Indiana.
> Thank you in advance for any help that you may offer.
> Jim Decker
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ted wendeln" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:48 PM
> Subject: [HN] Re: Werner Honko
> 
> 
>> Werner,
>> 
>> I checked the 1860 and 1870 census online (don't have 1850). The only
> BRANDKAMP's I found were both in 1870 census:
>> 
>> Edward BRANDKAMP, Crawfordsville, Indiana, Age 50, Born Prussia.
>> Stephen BRANDKAMP, Cole, Missouri, Age 66, Born Prussia
>> 
>> I will check the 1850 census the next time I get to Cincinnatti. I'll
> also check the city directories since so many Germans came through there in
> the 1840s.
>> 
>> I haven't been able to spend anytime lately in the Hannover or Oldenburg
> lists, but you asked several months ago about Johann Heinrich SCHMIESING. I
> checked the 1850 census and the Cincinnatti city directories. The only
> SCMIESING's I found were:
>> 
>> Frank SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1825
>> 
>> Anton SCHMIESING, Born Oldenburg 1828; Wife Gertrude, Born Oldenburg 1838
>> Living in Stearns, Minnesota.
>> 
>> John Henry SCHMIESING, Born Stearns 1851
>> 
>> ted wendeln
>> dayton, ohio
>> 
>> 
>> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net wrote:
>>> From: Werner Honkomp
>>> Reply-To: Hannover-L
>>> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net, hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>>> Subject: [HN] Brandkamp from Damme
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:24:22 +0100
>>> 
>>> Hello Listmembers,
>>> I search for Bernard Heinrich BRANDKAMP, emigrated to USA about 1841 from
>>> Damme-Rottinghausen.
>>> Can somebody check the Census 1850?
>>> Thank you, Werner Honkomp
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>> Werner Honkomp werner(a)honkomp.de
>>> Ziegelhofstr. 35b www.honkomp.de
>>> 26121 Oldenburg Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0941-5992-87230
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hannover-L mailing list
>>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:04:55 -0600
From: "darlene baltus" 
Subject: [HN] Thank you to those who located Beuthen and Ludwigburg!
Wonderful!
To: 
Message-ID: <008201c52cc7$4ec0cf20$15e83d40(a)d920n01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"



------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:32:06 -0700
From: R&B Stewart 
Subject: Re: [HN] Message for Ted Wendeln
To: Hannover-L 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Hello,

There is a book listing marriages in Cincinnati:

Title   Restored Hamilton County, Ohio marriages, 1808-1849 / indexed by
Jeffrey G. Herbert.
Author   Herbert, Jeffrey G.
Publisher   Bowie, Md. : Heritage Books, 1998.
Description   2 v. (viii, 644 p.) ; 28 cm.

Depending on where you live, your local library may have a copy. There
is one in the Denver Public Library. There is another book which lists later
marriages in Cincinnati as well.

Barbara



on 3/16/05 10:40 AM, Jim at jimcats(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> Grubins



------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:38:19 -0500
From: "Randy Huetsch" 
Subject: [HN] Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf
To: 
Message-ID:
<8F0B97FA283F7049819DB4D5417F486A18628E(a)EYENYCMAIL.eyetech.internal>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi,

I noticed this email in conversation with a Betty and a Max Burgdorf
about the Huetsch family, New Hanover (which is between waterloo and
Columbia in Monroe County), and the burgdorf family which still resides
in Red Bud IL with several different links ofthe family.

If you want more info, please feel free to call me.

Regards,
Randy Huetsch
618-406-8359 cell


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[HN] Familie BULLE in MINDEN

Date: 2005/03/20 20:32:17
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

ich trug zum Namen BULLE in Minden
mit den Berufsbezeichnungen:
Rechtsgelehrter, fürstlich-bischögfl alter rat
fürstlich mindischer Gräfl. oldenburg. Geh. Rat und Kanzler

folgendes zusammen:
 Bulle 

2543 Anna Sophia Bulle, * 15.10.1616 in Minden, + 13.6.1673 in Hildesheim, begr. 20.7.1673 in der St. Pauls Kirche im Erbbegräbnis der Familie Storre, lange krank und litt an Schwindsucht und Koliken, 11 Kinder und 14 Enkel (Q 20).
oo 25.11.1634 in Hannover Justus Henning Storre 

5086 Antonius Bulle, Rechtsgelehrter, fürstlich-bischöfl.-mindischer alter Rat,* April 1589 in Minden, + 17.2.1654 in Hannover, begr. 2.3.1754 in der Kirche St. Jacob und Georg in Hannover, kam 16 jährig zum Studium nach Rostock, wechselte nach Giessen, Tübingen und Heidelberg, zog nach Speyer, um des Kammerprozesses kundig zu werden, hat 1613 den Grad eines Lic. Juris angenommen (akademischer Grad vor dem Doktor), kehrte nach einer Fahrt durchs Reich zurück, promovierte 1614 zum Doktor juris utr. (Doktor beider Rechte), 1614 zum Stifterrat in Minden berufen, war dies 14 Jahre lang, war am kaiserl. Kammergericht zu Speyer in Zivil-, Criminal, Ehe- und Feudalsachen tätig, erkrankte 1647, seitdem nahmen seine Kräfte und Gedächtnis ab, starb an einem Geschwür am Oberschenkel, welches in Eile um sich fraß, (Q 20, Lp. 1217)
oo Minden 12.9.1614 Sophia von Anderten 

10172 Heinrich Bulle, Dr. phil. et jur. utr., fürstl. mindischer, gräfl. oldenburg. Geh. Rat und Kanzler, Rat auch anderer Grafen und Herren. (Q 11, 79)
oo Beate Reineking, 

Das Epitaph des Mindener Kanzlers Heinrich Bulle (Q 79) 

"Die innere Südwestwand der Martinikirche zu Minden trägt ein großes Epitaph aus Baumberger Kreidekalk, wegen seiner Ähnlichkeit mit dem gezeichneten Grapendorf-Epitaph und ebenso mit dem Mallinckrodt-Epitaph des Mindener Domes dem geschätzten Osnabrücker Meister Adam Stenelt zugeschrieben. Leider wird eine eingehende Beobachtung durch die hohe Lage, besonders aber jetzt durch die in neuerer Zeit vorgebaute Orgelempore erschwert, während um die Jahrhundertwende (1895) noch eine Bildaufnahme für die "Bau- und Kunstdenkmäler" möglich war. 

Der ziemlich umfangreiche erläuternde Text wurde gewiß früher und später häufiger gelesen und gelegentlid1 auch sd1on literarisch verwertet , doch bisher nie im Zusammenhange veröffentlicht. Bildwerk und Inschrift aber geben über diesen Toten ausgiebiger Kunde, als man bei Epitaphien im allgemeinen erwarten darf. Umgekehrt: unser Wissen von diesem Toten beschränkt sich nahezu ganz auf die Mitteilungen seines Epitaphs. Die Inschrift hebt an in einem stehenden Langrund, dem Sockel einer früheren, jetzt nicht mehr vorhandenen Spitzenfigur: "Deo ter optimo, virtuti, doctrinae, memoriae sacrum. Viator, qui transis, hoc in loco sta paulum. Quis hic sepultus, quaeris?" Die Antwort zu dieser Frage bietet das flachliegende Rechteck am Grunde: "Hoc sub tumulo reservatur, sed parte minore sui, HENRICVS BVLLAEVS, Mindanus, piis quidem et honestis natus parentibus, sed genus et proavos non jactavit. In Musarum sinuenutritus est, quae Deo sic volente illi omnem peperere fortunam et ad dignitatis et honoris solstitium eum gradatim elexere. Magisterii gradu donatus est, post rei publicae patriae a secretis fuit et syndicus eius factus. Postea utriusque juris Doctoris titulum in academia Rosarium inauguratione publica sumpsit. Et cum consulis Jani Reinekincks filia Beata in conjugium se dedit, cum qua sine offensa vixit ac ex ea liberos tres procreavit. Deinceps consul patriae creatus, postmodum comitis Oldenburgiaci et denique episcopi Mindensis cancellarius constitutus." Über der mittleren Reliefpartie ist heraldisch-rechts das väterliche Wappen (2 stilisierte Lilien) ausgewiesen, heraldisch-links die mütterliche Hausmarke (Pfeilspitze und Kreuz, kreuzförmig zusammengefügt). Überdies vor diesem Bildwerk, dem Jüngsten Gericht, sogar des Toten ganze Familie betend dargestellt, rechts der Vater mit einem Sohne, links die Mutter mit zwei Töchtern, die Kinder nur etwas jugendlicher als die Eltern, sonst aber, nach Körpergestalt, Gesichtsausdruck, Haltung und Kleidung, wie deren volle Ebenbilder. 

Der hier geehrte Tote hieß also Heinrich Bulle, latinisiert Bullaeus, stammte aus Minden, war vielleicht Beamten- oder Geistlichen-, Arzt- oder Advokatensohn, kam jedenfalls nicht mehr, wie die Mutter, unmittelbar aus dem Handwerker- oder Kaufmannsstand. Er hatte ein akademisches Studium durchlaufen, abschließend den Magistergrad erlangt und war dann Stadtrat zu Minden geworden. Die juristische Doktorwürde gewann er im Jahre 1574 an der Universität Rostock. Darauf vermählte er sich mit Beata Reinking, deren Vater Janus Reinking, aus derzeit namhafter und weitverbreiteter Patrizier- und Beamtenfamilie, ehrenamtlicher Bürger- meister zu Minden war. Aus dieser Ehe gingen drei Kinder hervor, jener Sohn und jene zwei Töchter, die hier mit den Eltern betend begegnen. Heinrich Bulle wurde selber Mindener Bürgermeister , nacher Kanzler (Notar) der Oldenburg-Delmenhorster Grafen Johannes XVI. (1573/1603) und Antonius II. (1577/1619) und sd1ließlich Kanzler des Mindener Fürstbischofs Antonius von Schaumburg (1587/99), in dessen Diensten er dann für die nur mehr kurze Spanne seines Lebens verblieb. Er starb gegen Jahresende 1597 zu Minden; am 31. Dezember (Alten Kalenders) wurde er in der Martinikirche bestattet. Das religiöse Bildwerk dieses Epitaphs begreift vier Reliefs, oben (unter dem Schriftlangrund) das Abrahamsopfer, darunter das Weltgericht, daneben wieder rechts den Sündenfall und links die Vertreibung aus dem Paradiese. Die drei alttestamentlichen Darstellungen stimmen stilistisch und inhaltlich mit den entsprechenden Kanzelbildern der Wiedenbrücker Aegidienkirche derart überein, abgesehen von zum Teil andersseitiger Ausrichtung, daß sie als Ausführungen ebengleicher Entwürfe und zweifellos als Werke ebendesselben Künstlers zu erkennen sind. Aber sie weichen in mancher Hinsicht, nicht zuletzt in der stärker figürlichen Art, von der Hand des ausgewiesen Stenelt'schen Grapendorf-Epitaphs (1622) merklich ab. Indessen liegt das Bild des Weltgerichs, ähnlich wie die neutestamentlichen der Wiedenbrücker Kanzel, bereits wieder näher bei der mehr flächenhaften Stenelt'schen Reliefkunst, auch manches Drum und Dran, vor allem der Gesamteindruck dieses auch etagenhaft aus eckigen und abgerundeten Flächen aufgebauten Werkes mit seinen Säulen, seitlichen Auslagen, Masken und Ranken und der abschließenden Spitzenfigur. Daher dürfte zu vermuten sein, daß jeweils in Stenelts Werkstatt neben dem Meister noch kunstbeflissene Gehilfen tätig und diese zu mehr oder weniger selbständigem Schaffen berufen waren. So würde eine gewisse stilistische Mannigfaltigkeit in den Werken Stenelts zwanglos sich erklären. 

Diese Überlegung empfängt aus Wiedenbrücker Sicht weitere Begründung. Die Wiedenbrücker Kanzel (1617) wurde, kaum zweifelhaft, durch das vorgängige Erdmann-Epitaph (1615) des gleichen Meisters angeregt. Dieses aber ist mit dem Bullaeus-Epitaph, dem Mallinkrodt-Epitaph, dem Grapendorf-Epitaph höchst nahe verwandt. Da die Rentmeisterfamilie Erdmann aus Osnabrück stammte , dürfte hierfür auch ein Osnabrücker Künstler eingespannt sein, der dann ansch1ließend die Wiedenbrücker Kanzel schuf, wobei ohnehin in erster Linie an eben Stenelt zu denken wäre." 

20344 Moritz Bulle, Ratsherr in Hildesheim, (Q 11)
oo Anna Schnitting

40688 Gerhard Bulle, Rittmeister, (Q 11)
oo Elisabeth von Campen

81376 Conrad Bulle, * um 1470, kaiserlicher Obristwachmeister, (Q 11)
oo Adelheid von Wintersheim 

Gibt es mehr Literatur oder andere Quellen zu dieser Familie?

Nachricht und Hinweise erbittet

Klaus Riecken
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[HN] STAHL in Kirchwistedt, Drochtersen Stade

Date: 2005/03/20 20:59:55
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Leser,

ich fand bisher zu dem Namen STAHL in 
Kirchwistedt
Drochtersen
Stade

Folgendes:
 Stahl

157 Anna Margreta Stahl, + 72jährig in Kirchwistedt 8.12.1802 (Q 8)
oo Johann Hinrich Brüning

Kinder: (Q 8)
Sohn, totgeboren 18.10.1755
Ernst Friedrich 23.10.1756
Cathrine Sophie 01.08.1759
Johann Hinrich 17.09. 1761
Christian Diedrich 14.12.1763
Margr. Amalie 10.01.1766, + 23.7.1767
Samuel Niclaus 06.04.1768, + 26.1.1769
Niclaus 10.10.1769
Ann Margrete 16.03.1772
Ilse Amalie 02.02.1775

314 Ernst Hinrich Stahl, Feldprediger, 1725-1757 Pastor in Drochtersen, * Febr. 1685, + 22.5.1757 (Q 42)
oo Sophia Amalia Ehlers, (Q 42)

628 ... Stahl, schwedischer Leutnant in Stade (Q 44, 42) 

Gibt es weitergehende Informationen über die genannten Personen?

Um Zusendungen, Hinweise oder Erghänzungen bittet

Klaus Riecken

www.Riecken-online.de

[HN] Stadt HAMELN und Familienforschung 17./18. Jahrhundert

Date: 2005/03/20 21:08:06
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Leser,

gibt es Interessierte an folgenden Namen in Hameln?

 Hameln 
Adam um 1743 
Aubanel vor 1710 
Bock 1634 
Brüggemann um 1660 
Greve 1622-1989 
Hartmann um 1687 
Kotensen um 1627 
Kroseberg 1634-1651 
Lembke um 1640 
Matthias 1628-1667 
Meyer 1687 
Pourriol 1721 
Rentorf 1627-1710 

meine bisherigen Ergebnisse sind zu lesen unter 
www.Riecken-online.de

Dann
Familie Greve

Erfahrungsaustausch, Hinweise, Ergänzungen oder weiterführende Literatur  wünscht sich

Klaus Riecken

www.Riecken-online.de


[HN] BEX, MEVEN, NESSEL in Masseick/Niederlande

Date: 2005/03/20 21:14:32
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

ich habe zu den Namen 
von Meven,
Nessel
Bex
nur wenige Informationen.

Die Familie Bex kam während der Glaubenskriege aus den Niederlanden nach Hildesheim und fasste dort sehr schnell Fuß.
Gibt es Literatur, Überlieferungen, Informationen aus der zeit UND der Familie Bex?
Gibt es weiter Forschungsergebnisse zu den besagten Familien in den damaligen Niederlanden?

Hinweise nimmt dankend entgegen

Klaus Riecken
www.Riecken-online.de

Re: [HN] Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf

Date: 2005/03/20 22:06:03
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)msn.com>

Hi, this Max Burgdorf. To my knowledge there is no Huetsch in my ancestery. But I wonder if there may be a connection back in Hanover with the Burgdorf name. I know that my great grandfather came from Hildesheim and emigrated into American thru the port of New Orleans. If so drop a note.
Max
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Randy Huetsch<mailto:randy.huetsch(a)eyetech.com> 
  To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net<mailto:hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> 
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:38 PM
  Subject: [HN] Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf


  Hi,
   
  I noticed this email in conversation with a Betty and a Max Burgdorf
  about the Huetsch family, New Hanover (which is between waterloo and
  Columbia in Monroe County), and the burgdorf family which still resides
  in Red Bud IL with several different links ofthe family.
   
  If you want more info, please feel free to call me.
   
  Regards,
  Randy Huetsch
  618-406-8359 cell
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[HN] Questions

Date: 2005/03/21 17:12:15
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)msn.com>

This is not really a question but a need for confirmation. I am searching for my great grandfather who came from Hildesheim and I am confused about the spelling of his surname. He listed on the passenger manifest and the New Orleans courthouse index list with one spelling and on the baptismal certificate of a son with another spelling. I have been told that one of the spellings, Burchtorff , is "low German" and later records show his name spelled Burgdorf. What is "low" German? And are these two spellings really synonymous? Thanks for any help.
Max Burgdorf 

Re: [HN] Questions

Date: 2005/03/21 17:17:13
From: David Muldner <david.muldner(a)gmail.com>

low german or niederdeutsch is a kind of dialect I recon, involving
different pronounciations and different spellings e.g. my surname hase
been spelled

Miltner
Moltner
Multner
Moldner
Mildner
Muldner
Moldener
Mildener
Miltner

aso, so yes that is a synonyme, just bare the different spellings in
min as you search


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:18:23 -0600, Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)msn.com> wrote:
> This is not really a question but a need for confirmation. I am searching for my great grandfather who came from Hildesheim and I am confused about the spelling of his surname. He listed on the passenger manifest and the New Orleans courthouse index list with one spelling and on the baptismal certificate of a son with another spelling. I have been told that one of the spellings, Burchtorff , is "low German" and later records show his name spelled Burgdorf. What is "low" German? And are these two spellings really synonymous? Thanks for any help.
> Max Burgdorf
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Re: [HN] Questions

Date: 2005/03/21 18:21:04
From: Jürgen E . W . Meyer <jew.meyer(a)online.de>

Until around 1876 when the civil registration was set up people wrote names just as they heard them. So - depending on the pronunciation (e.g. dialect) or "habits" of the writer - the names were written down. It could even happen that within the same document the spelling of the same name differs.

This does not have anything directly to do with Low German but may have some influence in some cases. Low German is not a dialect but rather an own language, which is disappearing now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Burgdorf" <pharmaxx(a)msn.com>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:18 PM
Subject: [HN] Questions


This is not really a question but a need for confirmation. I am searching for my great grandfather who came from Hildesheim and I am confused about the spelling of his surname. He listed on the passenger manifest and the New Orleans courthouse index list with one spelling and on the baptismal certificate of a son with another spelling. I have been told that one of the spellings, Burchtorff , is "low German" and later records show his name spelled Burgdorf. What is "low" German? And are these two spellings really synonymous? Thanks for any help.
Max Burgdorf
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[HN] Request for surname HILMER

Date: 2005/03/22 22:44:40
From: Rosella Gramstad <rmgram(a)mchsi.com>

My Grandfather Johann Heinrich Wilhelm HILMER, born 04 Nov 1857 Barnsen, Hannover; married 07 Apr 1883, Parish of Gerdau, Catharina Dorothea Maria MUELLER.  Came to America May 1883 from what port? and where landed in America?

Great Grandfather; Johann Heinrich Christof HILMER, born 04 Jun 1828, Barnsen,
married 14 Sep 1851, Gerdau, Catharina Maria Elisabeth MUELLER.

Great Great Grandfather Johann Christoph HILMER, born 18 Nov 1805, Barnsen,
married 13 Nov 1827, Gerdau, Catharina Magdalene BUHR.

Great Great Great Grandfather Peter Heinrich HILMER born 29 Jan 1764 Gerdau
married 13 Nov 1789 Gerdau, Uelzen, Anna Elisabeth RIGGERS.

Great Great Great Great Grandfather, Hans Peter HILMER - No dates or places
married Ilse GADE.

Anyone who has connections with these families please contact me.
Rosella Gramstad, email: rmgram(a)mchsi.com         Thank you.
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[HN] Re; Questions

Date: 2005/03/23 04:20:38
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Max:  Jürgen is absolutely right.  Low German or Plattdeutsch (Plattdüütsch) is not a dialect but a distinct language from Hoch Deutsch - more closely related to Holland Dutch or Danish than to High German.  Sadly, it is disappearing altho all of my cousins in the rural areas still speak it at home.  And I understand there is (or was) a movement to reinstate it in the schools in north Germany, esp. Hannover.  Niederdeutsch was once the lingua franca  of the great Hanse and was far more widespread than Hochdeutsch.  Only the fact that Luther's translation of the Bible coincided with the advent of the printing press did the relatively insignificant (at that time) Hochdeutsch spread over the whole country.  Thought this might interest you.     Jane


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[HN] atlas

Date: 2005/03/23 15:59:13
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrter Herr Munk,

Heute habe ich empfangen ihres Brief mit
Bericht über der topographische Atlas des August Papen.
Herzlicher Dank hiervor!
Ich soll das Buch probieren zu kaufen in
Emmerich. Dort kann ich mit 45 Minuten sein (per Auto)..
Mit freundlichem Gruss,

W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.

[HN] German newspaper morgues???

Date: 2005/03/23 18:12:19
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi to those on the list:
A friend and I were just talking about all the information we found in American newspaper morgues, when the thought struck us--Are there German newspaper morgues and if so how do you get into them? Any thoughts???? Gale

Re: [HN] Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf

Date: 2005/03/23 20:05:22
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Randy,

I have in my indirect ancestry a John Huetsch m. Adelaide Feldhaus.

Buried at Calvary Cemetary together are Anton Feldhaus, William Feldhaus, Lucas Feldhaus, Adelheid TOEBBEN Feldhaus, Herman Huetch INF (I believe Huetsch*) Herman J Feldhaus, Elizabeth Pohlman Feldhaus.

Unsure where the family of John Huetsch originated from but per SSI Adelaide lived in Redbud, Illinois.

Adelaide the daughter of Elizabeth Pohlmand and Herman J. Feldhaus.

Herman FELDHAUS being the 2nd great grand uncle of myself..common ancestors are Lucas FELDHAUS and Margaret Adelheid TOEBBEN.

Barbie
St. Louis
>   ----- Original Message -----
  From: Randy Huetsch<mailto:randy.huetsch(a)eyetech.com>
  To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net<mailto:hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:38 PM
  Subject: [HN] Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf


  Hi,

  I noticed this email in conversation with a Betty and a Max Burgdorf
  about the Huetsch family, New Hanover (which is between waterloo and
  Columbia in Monroe County), and the burgdorf family which still resides
  in Red Bud IL with several different links ofthe family.

  If you want more info, please feel free to call me.

  Regards,
  Randy Huetsch
  618-406-8359 cell
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Re: [HN] Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf

Date: 2005/03/23 22:56:47
From: Elizabeth Carpenter <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>

Hi Barbie,
 
A little off the track.  I'm from Red Bud also.  Did we discuss this already?
 
Betty in St. Louis

Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Randy,

I have in my indirect ancestry a John Huetsch m. Adelaide Feldhaus.

Buried at Calvary Cemetary together are Anton Feldhaus, William Feldhaus, 
Lucas Feldhaus, Adelheid TOEBBEN Feldhaus, Herman Huetch INF (I believe 
Huetsch*) Herman J Feldhaus, Elizabeth Pohlman Feldhaus.

Unsure where the family of John Huetsch originated from but per SSI Adelaide 
lived in Redbud, Illinois.

Adelaide the daughter of Elizabeth Pohlmand and Herman J. Feldhaus.

Herman FELDHAUS being the 2nd great grand uncle of myself..common ancestors 
are Lucas FELDHAUS and Margaret Adelheid TOEBBEN.

Barbie
St. Louis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Huetsch
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:38 PM
> Subject: [HN] Huetsch-New Hanover-Burgdorf
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I noticed this email in conversation with a Betty and a Max Burgdorf
> about the Huetsch family, New Hanover (which is between waterloo and
> Columbia in Monroe County), and the burgdorf family which still resides
> in Red Bud IL with several different links ofthe family.
>
> If you want more info, please feel free to call me.
>
> Regards,
> Randy Huetsch
> 618-406-8359 cell
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Re: [HN] German newspaper morgues???

Date: 2005/03/24 00:25:02
From: gloepertz <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>

Are you sure you are looking for morgues? Shouldn't that be ARCHIVES?
Guenter in Michigan

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> Hi to those on the list: 
> 
> A friend and I were just talking about all the information 
> we found in American newspaper morgues, when the thought 
> struck us--Are there German newspaper morgues and if so 
> how do you get into them? 
> 
> Any thoughts???? 
> 
> Gale 
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Re: [HN] German newspaper morgues???

Date: 2005/03/24 01:02:13
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Guenter:

I posed this question on another list and boy am I getting flack on the use of the term Newspaper Morgue. Let Webster explaine for me: "Morgue 2. Journalism. A deprtment of a newspaper office where miscellaneous material for reference is filed."

Archives are for specific materials as defined in their purpose. Newspaper Morgues are basically, stacks of old papers or the microfilm of old (Yesterday and older) newspapers.

Gale

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:24:10 +0000
 gloepertz(a)comcast.net wrote:
Are you sure you are looking for morgues? Shouldn't that be ARCHIVES?
Guenter in Michigan

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Re: [HN] German newspaper morgues???

Date: 2005/03/24 01:59:04
From: gloepertz <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>

Thanks Gale, learned something new. It was also the first time I heard that term used.
I better not show this to my wife, she will have a new excuse to get rid of what I call the Stacks.
Guenter

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> Hi Guenter: 
> 
> I posed this question on another list and boy am I getting 
> flack on the use of the term Newspaper Morgue. Let 
> Webster explaine for me: "Morgue 2. Journalism. A 
> deprtment of a newspaper office where miscellaneous 
> material for reference is filed." 
> 
> Archives are for specific materials as defined in their 
> purpose. Newspaper Morgues are basically, stacks of old 
> papers or the microfilm of old (Yesterday and older) 
> newspapers. 
> 
> Gale 
> 
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:24:10 +0000 
> gloepertz(a)comcast.net wrote: 
> > Are you sure you are looking for morgues? Shouldn't that 
> >be ARCHIVES? 
> > Guenter in Michigan 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > 
> >> Hi to those on the list: 
> >> 
> >> A friend and I were just talking about all the 
> >>information 
> >> we found in American newspaper morgues, when the thought 
> >> struck us--Are there German newspaper morgues and if so 
> >> how do you get into them? 
> >> 
> >> Any thoughts???? 
> >> 
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[HN] German newspaper morgues???

Date: 2005/03/24 13:20:34
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

I was interested in the phrasing used by Gale to describe newspaper archives, which in Britain are kept by the newspaper companies or are to be found in local libraries. You can access digital images of one leading Scottish newspaper's editions from 1817 onwards by going to www.scotsman.com. There are many articles about Germany and, for instance; simply inputting the word 'immigrant' will bring up articles about shipping and the American continent. I've been lucky enough to find items about my gt. grandfather as early as 1858. Free to search without registering, free to look at articles with registering then pay to download.
Rena in England
=
A friend and I were just talking about all the information
we found in American newspaper morgues, when the thought
struck us--Are there German newspaper morgues and if so
how do you get into them?
Any thoughts????
Gale gale(a)bosche.info

[HN] In Memorian

Date: 2005/03/24 13:21:47
From: Erika Trueman <erika.trueman(a)ntlworld.com>

Hi Gale,

Try the site: http://db.genealogy.net/familienanzeigen/
It is split into counties and towns and will give you names and dates of
deceased.

Regards
Erika


A friend and I were just talking about all the information
we found in American newspaper morgues, when the thought
struck us--Are there German newspaper morgues and if so
how do you get into them?

Any thoughts????

Gale



[HN] Link zu Familiennamen: Pstern und Pascha

Date: 2005/03/24 17:58:10
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo in die Runden,

etwas früher als sonst - schon heute der Link zu dem aktuellen
Familiennamen-Artikel in der "Welt":

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/03/24/615466.html

Mit den besten Wünschen für fröhliche Ostereier

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie


[HN] Ostergruß

Date: 2005/03/24 18:39:16
From: MikeReinck <MikeReinck(a)aol.com>

Hallo Liste.
 
Wünsche allen ein frohes und gesegnetesOsterfest.
 
Euer Mike Uwe

[HN] [compgend-L] Ritterbusch Holzhausen/Pyrmont (fwd)

Date: 2005/03/24 21:52:16
From: Wilfried Petersen <520090605062-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo Herr Ridderbos,

diese E-mail bekam ich eben in einer anderen Mailingliste. Ich denke, dass sie Sie vielleicht interessiert.

Frohe Ostern und freundliche Grüsse aus Mainz
Wilfried Petersen


---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: <ErikaFriedrichs(a)aol.com>
To: <Compgend-L(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [compgend-L] Ritterbusch Holzhausen/Pyrmont

Hallo Listenmitglieder,

Ruth Krieger (rae(a)ruth.krieger.de) aus  Hessen schrieb folgendes:



Hallo Liste  !

Am 19. März kommt Peter Goubeaud nach Deutschland.
Seine Mutter war  Marion Catherine Ritterbusch,
deren Großeltern vor 1878 nach USA  auswanderten.
Peter möchte nach Holzhausen / Bad Pyrmont fahren  und
versuchen noch lebende Verwandte zu treffen.
Nur, wie finden wir die  so auf die Schnelle ?
Hat jemand eine Idee ?
Vielleicht forscht ja noch  jemand bei diesen Ritterbuschs
und könnte mir helfen ?

Viele  erwartungsvolle Grüße aus Hessen
Ruth  (Krieger)


Die  Großeltern von Marion C. Ritterbusch waren:
Heinrich Hermann Ritterbusch
*  14.12.1853 in Holzhausen / Pyrmont  Waldeck
+                       in USA
ausgewandert vor 1878
oo 16.05.1878 in Manhattan / New  York
Rebecka Siem
*  27.09.1851 in Osterwede, Amt Lienthal,  Hannover
+                        in USA

Heinrich Hermann Ritterbusch hatte einen Bruder
Carl Friedrich  Georg Christian Ritterbusch
* 03.10.1848, ich hoffe, ebenfalls in  Holzhausen.
Vielleicht hatte er ja Nachkommen ! ?
Die anderen vier  Geschwister sind mir namentlichl
nicht bekannt.

Die Eltern von  Heinrich Hermann und Carl Friedrich Gg. Ch. waren:
CARL Heinrich Christian  Ritterbusch
* 18.12.1805 in Holzhausen / Bad Pyrmont
+ 27.01.1881 in  Holzhausen
oo 21.11.1841 in Holzhausen
Louise WILHELMINE Brandt
*  18.10.1817 in Holzhausen
+ 13.06.1877 in Holzhausen

- bei seinem Tod  hinterläßt Carl keine Gattin, aber
sechs majorenne Kinder -

Eltern von  Carl Heinrich Ch. Ritterbusch:
Johann HENRICH Ritterbusch
* Sept. 1762 in  Holzhausen
+
oo 02.09.1796 in Oesdorf / Bad Pyrmont
Anna Louise  Caroline  Kinkeldei
*                      in Holzhausen
+

Eltern von Johann Henrich Ritterbusch:
Henrich  Hermann  Ritterbusch
*                     in Holzhausen
+
oo 09.03.1761 in Oesdorf / Bad Pyrmont
Anna CHRISTINE  Schaper
*
+

Wenn jemand helfen kann, bitte direkt an Ruth  wenden.
 
Freundliche Grüße
Erika (Friedrichs)


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[HN] SIEVERS / SEVEUS? / LULLMAN /HOMFELD - surnames!

Date: 2005/03/25 01:56:07
From: DmRice <DmRice(a)aol.com>

    I am searching for records on my families from "Hannover" and their 
German ancestors.

    Is it possible that the surname "Seveus"  might be a misreading of 
"Sievers"?
According to a Centennial History of Ripley County Indiana,    "Adeline 
SEVEUS"  (born around 1804 depending on whether she was adding or subtracting)  
married John "Gerd" RIMSTIDT (Rhemenstedt?) of Bruchausen "in sight of Bremen".   
 

    The "family historian" had Addie's surname as something like "LURTKE" or 
LUEKER - (I was never comfortable with her handwriting when the word was 
unfamiliar,  and subsequent writings  of it were no clearer.)   I have found some 
similar names in German records,  but nothing quite like it.  As I think 
handwritten capital "L" and "S" look very similar in US Census records in the mid 
1800s,  I even wonder whether all the variants might be the same.  A tall German 
ending S might have resemble the taller letters in "Lurtke".

    Another ancestor appears as LULLMAN/LUHLMAN?.  I have found something 
resembling this on German sites,  and "Homefields"/HOMFELD look-alikes seem to be 
the most common of my missing names.   John Gerhard LULLMAN (1810-1899)  
married Margaret "HOMEFIELDs" (1812-1892)  Both were born in Hanover according to 
the tombstones.  All their children were girls,  so it is even harder to trace 
 cousins who might have more information.

    I would appreciate opinions from anyone interested in  handwriting and in 
German surnames found in this area   who might have suggestions for where to 
look and how to spell it !  


Barbara FEIGEL Rice
RIMSTIDT / 
Hessen Darmstadt   BIEDENKOPF /MAYGOLD ...
Oldenberg - SCHNEIDER /HELDER ...

Re: [HN] SIEVERS / SEVEUS? / LULLMAN /HOMFELD - surnames!

Date: 2005/03/25 10:18:25
From: Jürgen E . W . Meyer <jew.meyer(a)online.de>

Hi Barbara,
in that area mentioned by you the name Riemenstedt (also in the spellings Rehmstedt, Remstedt) appears.
Regards from Berlin
Jürgen
----- Original Message ----- From: <DmRice(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:55 AM
Subject: [HN] SIEVERS / SEVEUS? / LULLMAN /HOMFELD - surnames!


   I am searching for records on my families from "Hannover" and their
German ancestors.

   Is it possible that the surname "Seveus"  might be a misreading of
"Sievers"?
According to a Centennial History of Ripley County Indiana,    "Adeline
SEVEUS" (born around 1804 depending on whether she was adding or subtracting) married John "Gerd" RIMSTIDT (Rhemenstedt?) of Bruchausen "in sight of Bremen".


The "family historian" had Addie's surname as something like "LURTKE" or
LUEKER - (I was never comfortable with her handwriting when the word was
unfamiliar, and subsequent writings of it were no clearer.) I have found some
similar names in German records,  but nothing quite like it.  As I think
handwritten capital "L" and "S" look very similar in US Census records in the mid 1800s, I even wonder whether all the variants might be the same. A tall German
ending S might have resemble the taller letters in "Lurtke".

   Another ancestor appears as LULLMAN/LUHLMAN?.  I have found something
resembling this on German sites, and "Homefields"/HOMFELD look-alikes seem to be
the most common of my missing names.   John Gerhard LULLMAN (1810-1899)
married Margaret "HOMEFIELDs" (1812-1892) Both were born in Hanover according to the tombstones. All their children were girls, so it is even harder to trace
cousins who might have more information.

I would appreciate opinions from anyone interested in handwriting and in German surnames found in this area who might have suggestions for where to
look and how to spell it !


Barbara FEIGEL Rice
RIMSTIDT /
Hessen Darmstadt   BIEDENKOPF /MAYGOLD ...
Oldenberg - SCHNEIDER /HELDER ...
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AW: [HN] German newspaper morgues???

Date: 2005/03/25 12:54:22
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

There are databases with family information, 
but that is rather current stuff: 

http://db.genealogy.net/familienanzeigen/ 

And then there is a page where you choose a region 

Happy hunting

Falk Liebezeit

Diepholz

If you are looking for special articles in the newspapers
You could either write to the newspaper, some do have staff
For that service or to the nearest state archives (Landesarchiv or
Staatsarchiv,
Depending on the federal state), county archives (Kreisarchiv), city
archives 
(Stadtarchiv) or village archives (Gemeindearchiv). 

Every political community is required to keep an archives where the public 
may get access to ist old records. 
Many of the archives do collect the local newspaper, other just collect
articles
of interest (newspaper clippings).

And then there is a net of Landesbibliotheken in all of the federal states,
Many of them do collect the newspapers in the region and allow xyou to read
them
in their reading rooms. 

There is a an index on all German tongue newspapers on microfilm in German
collections. It lists where the films are stored and you can have them sent
to your 
library at home against a nominal fee or even for free. 

e. g. (= for instance)
Diepholzer Kreiszeitung 
1890 - 1945 on microfilm

Diepholzer Kreisblatt
1949 - 1970 bound to volumes,
1991 - 2005 loose in boxes
at Stadtarchiv Diepholz (Falk.Liebezeit(a)Stadt-Diepholz.de) 


Diepholzer Kreiszeitung
1937 - 1943 bound to volumes,

Diepholzer Kreisblatt
1945 - 2005 bound to volumes

Allgemeiner Kreisanzeiger, Syker Tageblatt
1959 - 1972 bound to volumes

Bassumer Anzeiger
1959 - 1972 bound to volumes

Kreiszeitung (for former Kreis Grafschaft Hoya, edited in Syke)
1959 - 2005 bound to volumes
at Kreisarchiv Diepholz (Falk.Liebezeit(a)Diepholz.de



     

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von gale(a)bosche.info
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. März 2005 18:12
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: [HN] German newspaper morgues???

Hi to those on the list:
  
A friend and I were just talking about all the information we found in
American newspaper morgues, when the thought struck us--Are there German
newspaper morgues and if so how do you get into them?
  
Any thoughts????
  
Gale
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Re: [HN] SIEVERS / SEVEUS? / LULLMAN /HOMFELD - surnames!

Date: 2005/03/25 13:11:12
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de>


<DmRice(a)aol.com> schrieb:
>     I am searching for records on my families from "Hannover" and their 
> German ancestors.
> 
>     Is it possible that the surname "Seveus"  might be a misreading of 
> "Sievers"?
> According to a Centennial History of Ripley County Indiana,    "Adeline 
> SEVEUS"  (born around 1804 depending on whether she was adding or subtracting)  
> married John "Gerd" RIMSTIDT (Rhemenstedt?) of Bruchausen "in sight of Bremen".   

Hello Barbara Feigel-Rice,

first: what was 1804 "in sight of Bremen" should nowadays be almost part of the very centre of the town of Bremen. Following this root I took a look into the telephone-book of Bremen. So I found two entries for REMSTÄDT and I think this should be the German form of the name RIMSTIDT is dirived of. The other name is more difficult: misreadings of the following existing names in Bremen might have led to
SEVEUS: SEVERIENS (3x), SEVERIN (27), SEVERS (6) and even SEVERLOH (6x) and SEVECKE (4x) have a slight similiarity. 

There is given inside of Bremen a street named "BRUCHHAUSER STRASSE" with postcode no. 28277 . From the postcode-book I can see, that this part of town is situated just next to the quarter "Neustadt" which should be the centre on the left side of the river Weser. With help of a road plan one should be able to find out where the street leeds exactly to.

If you have got a scan of German or even old Ameri- can handwritten documents, I will try another reading, If you like me to.

Greetings          Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel


AW: [HN] SIEVERS / SEVEUS? / LULLMAN /HOMFELD - surnames!

Date: 2005/03/25 13:17:21
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear Barbara, 

It is Bruchhausen (or Bruchhausen-Vilsen) you are looking for.
Your ancestors must have had pretty good eyes, it is 7 miles S
of Bremen where you find Bruchhausen. 

The name REHMSTEDT, also spelt RIEMENSTEDT and REMSTEDT is to be found there
and in the surroundings,
as well as HOMFELD. HOMFELD is a village in the church parish Vilsen, but an
old
family name as well, in some of the neighbouring church parishes you find it
in the 
eldest tax lists of 1530.

We do have LUELLMANN (there should be these dots over the U) as well.
It seems that they were called auf dem Luelle first in the village Sapelloh,
church parish Warmsen, between Nienburg and Minden, both cities on the river
Weser. 

You will have to search several places to find the right place of origin.

Sincerely yours 

Falk Liebezeit

Diepholz  

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von DmRice(a)aol.com
Gesendet: Freitag, 25. März 2005 01:56
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] SIEVERS / SEVEUS? / LULLMAN /HOMFELD - surnames!

    I am searching for records on my families from "Hannover" and their
German ancestors.

    Is it possible that the surname "Seveus"  might be a misreading of
"Sievers"?
According to a Centennial History of Ripley County Indiana,    "Adeline 
SEVEUS"  (born around 1804 depending on whether she was adding or
subtracting)  
married John "Gerd" RIMSTIDT (Rhemenstedt?) of Bruchausen "in sight of
Bremen".   
 

    The "family historian" had Addie's surname as something like "LURTKE" or

LUEKER - (I was never comfortable with her handwriting when the word was 
unfamiliar,  and subsequent writings  of it were no clearer.)   I have found
some 
similar names in German records,  but nothing quite like it.  As I think 
handwritten capital "L" and "S" look very similar in US Census records in
the mid 
1800s,  I even wonder whether all the variants might be the same.  A tall
German 
ending S might have resemble the taller letters in "Lurtke".

    Another ancestor appears as LULLMAN/LUHLMAN?.  I have found something 
resembling this on German sites,  and "Homefields"/HOMFELD look-alikes seem
to be 
the most common of my missing names.   John Gerhard LULLMAN (1810-1899)  
married Margaret "HOMEFIELDs" (1812-1892)  Both were born in Hanover
according to 
the tombstones.  All their children were girls,  so it is even harder to
trace 
 cousins who might have more information.

    I would appreciate opinions from anyone interested in  handwriting and
in 
German surnames found in this area   who might have suggestions for where to

look and how to spell it !  


Barbara FEIGEL Rice
RIMSTIDT / 
Hessen Darmstadt   BIEDENKOPF /MAYGOLD ...
Oldenberg - SCHNEIDER /HELDER ...
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[HN] Pastorenfamilie(n) Teil I

Date: 2005/03/25 18:38:56
From: Felix Arndt <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Liste,

weiß jemand etwas über die Vorfahren bzw. die Ehefrau (oder -frauen) von Johan Schweer (auch Schwehr bzw. Schwer), welcher von 1660 bis 1681 Pastor zu Probsthagen war?

Demnächst werde ich noch nach zwei anderen Pastorenfamilien fragen, von deren einer ich auf jeden Fall abstamme und welche wiederum mit der anderen verwandt war. Daher interessiert es mich, ob noch eine Verwandtschaft mit Pastor Schweer besteht (Details sind aber für die Beantwortung dieser meiner ersten Frage unwesentlich). 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Felix Arndt

felix_arndt(a)gmx.net

[HN] Re: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 16, Eintrag 32

Date: 2005/03/26 09:35:27
From: Ingeborg Spiess <0528117767-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Message 6:
Kapital "L" looks like Kapital "B". "Bueker", "Bullmann/Bulmahn"
are often names in "Preussen". 
Happy Easter
Ingeborg Spiess	


[HN] Frage zur sogenannten "Türkensteuer"

Date: 2005/03/27 15:25:01
From: Felix Arndt <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Liste,

weiß jemand, wann die sogenannte Türkensteuer in Schaumburg erhoben wurde. War dies vielleicht 1549? In Calenberg wurde sie glaube ich erst 1557/58 erhoben. 
Haben sich die Türkensteuerregister auch für Groß Nenndorf erhalten? Oder gibt es andere Steuerregister aus dieser Zeit für diesen Ort?

Ein frohes Osterfest wünscht Euch

Felix Arndt

felix_arndt(a)gmx.net

[HN] Suche nach Frau *Christa Anna Hagemann * 05.04.1941 in Winzenburg

Date: 2005/03/27 16:13:02
From: Hagemann2702 <Hagemann2702(a)aol.com>

Liebe Familienforscher,
 
ich suche dringend nach *Christa Anna Hagemann * 05.04.1941 in Winzenburg  im 
Rahmen meiner Familienforschung. Leider habe ich keine weiteren Angaben über  
diese Person. Die deutschen Gesetze erlauben es mir leider nicht über das  
Einwohnermeldeamt an Informationen zu kommen. Ich würde mich sehr  freuen, wenn 
mir jemand von Ihnen weiter helfen könnte und die oben  genannte Person kennt 
bzw ein Ahnung hat, wie man an weitere Informationen  kommt. 
 
Frohe Ostern und noch einen schönen Sonntag.
Uwe Hagemann
Hagemann2702(a)aol.com 
 

Re: [HN] [compgend-L] Ritterbusch Holzhausen/Pyrmont (fwd)

Date: 2005/03/27 17:54:09
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrter Herr Petersen,

Herzlicher Dank für ihres Bericht betreff Ritterbusch.
Mit freundlichem Gruss,

W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.



Re: [HN] German newspaper morgues???

Date: 2005/03/28 02:06:51
From: Topaz5480 <Topaz5480(a)aol.com>

 
Hi Gale,
I've heard and used the term newspaper morgue many times.  Dusty stacks of 
old newspapers.
Topaz
 
In a message dated 3/23/2005 7:04:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
gale(a)bosche.info writes:

Hi  Guenter:

I posed this question on another list and boy am I getting  
flack on the use of the term Newspaper Morgue.  Let 
Webster  explaine for me: "Morgue 2. Journalism.  A 
deprtment of a newspaper  office where miscellaneous 
material for reference is  filed."

Archives are for specific materials as defined in their  
purpose.  Newspaper Morgues are basically, stacks of old 
papers  or the microfilm of old (Yesterday and older)  
newspapers.

Gale

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:24:10  +0000
gloepertz(a)comcast.net wrote:
> Are you sure you are  looking for morgues? Shouldn't that 
>be ARCHIVES?
> Guenter in  Michigan
> 
> -------------- Original message --------------  
> 
>> Hi to those on the list: 
>> 
>> A  friend and I were just talking about all the 
>>information  
>> we found in American newspaper morgues, when the thought  
>> struck us--Are there German newspaper morgues and if so  
>> how do you get into them? 
>> 
>> Any  thoughts???? 
>> 
>> Gale 





[HN] ritterbusch

Date: 2005/03/28 14:53:53
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Frau Krieger,

Sie schreiben: Heinrich Hermann Ritterbusch, geboren 14-12-1853 Holzhausen.
Ich habe als Name: Friedrich Ritterbusch.

Johann Henrich Ritterbusch is geboren/getauft 12-9-1762 Oesdorf.

Henrich Hermann Ritterbusch, geboren 27-4-1722 Holzhausen, ist Sohn von Joachim Ritterbusch.

Henrich Hermann Ritterbusch und Anna Christine Schaper haben 3 Kinder:
Johann Henrich 12-9-1762.
Johann Bernhard Moritz 11-5-1766.
Dorothea Louisa Christina 10-1-1772.

Mit freundlichem Gruss,

W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.

[HN] Ortssuche: "BATTBERG im STIFTE CÖLLN "

Date: 2005/03/28 16:22:39
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

so lautet 1644 der Traueintrag im ev. KB Dankelshausen Krs.
Göttingen.
Welcher Herkunftsort ist wohl gemeint?
 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag





[HN] Ortssuche: Bodfeld im Harz undOsterbeck bei Geldern

Date: 2005/03/28 16:35:30
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Heinrich III von Franken, von Waiblinghen, König und Kaiser
wurde 28.10. 1017 in Osterbeck bei Geldern geboren und starb
 5.10.1056 in n Bodfeld im Harz.
Welche (Heutigen)  Orte sind das wohl? Ggf. Wüstungen? 
- 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag





[HN] Ortssuche: CHOR in Schlesien 1648

Date: 2005/03/28 16:56:02
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
welcher Ort ist wohl gemeint?
Eintrag im Trauregister 1648 in  Jühnde Krs. Göttingen als
Herkunftsort des Bräutogam Michael Langner.
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[HN] Ortssuche 1660: Deserode im Amt Witmershof

Date: 2005/03/28 17:04:37
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
welcher Ort ist wohl gemeint?
Traubuch Settmarshausen Krs. Göttingen, 1660, Familienname
KÄSEHAGEN.




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AW: [HN] Ortssuche: "BATTBERG im STIFTE CÖLLN"

Date: 2005/03/28 17:07:18
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Reinhard, 

Versuch es doch einmal mit 34431 Marsberg-PADBERG, Bezirk Arnsberg, Kreis
Brilon (wohl jetziger Hochsauerlandkreis HSK)

Gruss aus Diepholz 

Falk Liebezeit 

 

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Betreff: [HN] Ortssuche: "BATTBERG im STIFTE CÖLLN"

so lautet 1644 der Traueintrag im ev. KB Dankelshausen Krs.
Göttingen.
Welcher Herkunftsort ist wohl gemeint?
 
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[HN] Wo liegt "Kloster Ensdorf"

Date: 2005/03/28 18:02:17
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
hier wurde 1156 Otto V. von Wittelsbach begraben.
Welcher ort ist wohl gemeint, im PLZ-Verzecihnis mehrere.




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[HN] Re: [FamNord] Wo liegt "Kloster Ensdorf"

Date: 2005/03/28 18:45:13
From: Ralf Stamporek <R.S(a)pobox.com>

Kloster Ensdorf
92266 Ensdorf

siehe: http://www.asamnet.de/~sdb/geschich.htm

Gruesse
Ralf Stamporek

Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de schrieb:

Hallo,
hier wurde 1156 Otto V. von Wittelsbach begraben.
Welcher ort ist wohl gemeint, im PLZ-Verzecihnis mehrere.

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Re: [HN] Wo liegt "Kloster Ensdorf"

Date: 2005/03/28 20:19:17
From: gloepertz <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>

Das Kloster Ensdorf das gemeinte ist liegt rund 20km südlich von Amberg in Bayern.
Grüße aus Michigan
Günter

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> Hallo, 
> hier wurde 1156 Otto V. von Wittelsbach begraben. 
> Welcher ort ist wohl gemeint, im PLZ-Verzecihnis mehrere. 
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> vorwärts 
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[HN] Suche Reden aus Lübeck - Johann Heinrich R eden (*ca. 1825)

Date: 2005/03/29 14:16:02
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

bei meinen Recherchen in den Kirchenbüchern von Rotenburg/Wümme habe ich folgenden Heiratseintrag gefunden:

Johann Heinrich REDEN, Junggesell und Anbauer zu Borchel, unehelich zu Lübeck geboren, Vater: Friedrich Reden, Lübeck

heiratet am 28.05.1850 in Rotenburg/W.

Anna Maria Margaretha Elisabeth FREESE, Jungfrau zu Borchel, Vater: Ernst Hinrich Freese, Anbauer zu Borchel


Wer hat die Geburtsdaten von dem Sohn und die Daten der Eltern?

Nach dieser Heirat muß sich eine Tragödie nach der anderen abgespielt haben. 8 Kinder wurden geboren, 4 davon tot bei der Geburt. 3 Weitere verstarben nach 6 Std., 8 Tagen bzw. 6 Wochen. Nur bei einem Sohn (*1857) ist kein Sterbeeintrag bis 1875 zu finden.

Viele Grüße    Günter



Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen

Suche in ganz Deutschland:  Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Lerbach bei Osterode am Harz:  Oppermann

Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/


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[HN] Suche Klindworth aus Daerstorf (Ksp. Elstorf) - Heinrich Klindworth (*19.01.1831)

Date: 2005/03/29 14:27:27
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

bei meinen Recherchen in den Kirchenbüchern von Rotenburg/Wümme habe ich folgenden Heiratseintrag gefunden:

Heinrich KLINDWORTH, * am 19.01.1831 in Daerstorf Ksp. Elztorf (heute Elstorf), ledig zu Daerstorf, Vater: Heinrich Klindworth, Häusling, Mutter: Magdalena geb. Peters

heiratet am 06.02.1868 in Rotenburg/W.

Anne Catherina Danker, * am 19.02.1843 in Borchel, ledig zu Borchel, Vater: Johann Friedrich Danker, Anbauer, Mutter: Anna Catharina geb. Holtermann

Zukünftiger Wohnort: Neugraben


Wer hat die Daten der Eltern Klindworth/Peters?


Viele Grüße    Günter

Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen

Suche in ganz Deutschland:  Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Lerbach bei Osterode am Harz:  Oppermann

Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/


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[HN] Suche Pastorenfamilie Teil II

Date: 2005/03/29 14:57:36
From: Felix Arndt <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Liste,

ich suche alles über Henrich MARTHAEI (oder MARTH) und seine Familie. Er war von 1628 bis 1664 Pastor von Lauenhagen. Seine Witwe wurde am 15.03.1667 begraben. Ihre Tochter Margarethe Hedewigh MARTHEN war die Frau des Hülshäger Halbmeiers Hans BARTHELS *1621 Riehe? +09.04.1708. 
Ich bin an weiteren Daten über Kinder, Eltern und Ehefrau des Henrich MARTHAEI sowie sonstiges interessiert. 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Felix Arndt

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[HN] Anfrage, Kierig aus dem Harz um Clausthal

Date: 2005/03/29 15:59:43
From: Ingomar Kierig <kirugin(a)gmx.de>

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,

ich habe dieses Jahr neu angefangen und suche Teilnehmer die sich im Harz,
Clausthal- Zellerfeld, Wildemann, u. U. vor 1870 bei den luther. Bergleuten
auskennen.
Ich recherchiere dort in der Hauptlinie Kierig vor 1840.
Dieser Personenkreis beträgt z. Zt. ca. 80 Personen bis 1665 und passt
natürlich nicht zusammen.
Bekannte Nebenlinien aus Clausthal und Wildemann sind bisher:
Christoph 1835
Feuchtner 1833 und 1799
Hammer 1736
Heberle 1757 und 1842
Hildebrand, Berlin, ca. 1831
Jacobs 1840
Langer 1869
Leue 1869
Max  ca. 1800
Sauerbrei 1828

Eine zweite röm. kath. Kierig- Linie existiert parallel im Rheinland, in der
vorderen Eifel um Andernach / Koblenz.
Kennt jemand von Ihnen den Ursprung und Zusammenhang der Kierig´s?

Über zahlreiche Antworten würde ich mich freuen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Aus Hofheim a. Taunus
Ingomar Kierig


[HN] Schwarme & Martfeld

Date: 2005/03/29 17:23:14
From: Teri Hanson <hansonmtjj(a)comcast.net>

I am researching my family from the Schwarme and Martfeld area.

Here is what I know:

ANNA KATHERINE BRINKMAN b. Oct 26, 1862 in Schwarme.  Parents - Johann Brinkman and Margaret Unknown.  Married in 1884 to Johann Bremer.

JOHANN RENNIG DIETRICH BREMER born July 8, 1859 in Martfeld.  Parents - Johann Heinrich Rennig Bremer and Sophie Henriette Rehorst (b. January 3, 1824),  They moved to Schwarme after a fire destroyed most of the town of Martfeld.

I would love to go back as far as possible.  Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can start digging.

Thank you, Teri Hanson


Re: [HN] Schwarme & Martfeld also Hoya & Achim

Date: 2005/03/29 20:21:23
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Terri:

Try these URL's:

http://www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).html

http://www.hist.de/yhoya.htm

This information has been placed on the First site above
by a professional genealogist.  It includes information on
the 1852 census for the Kingdom of Hanover.  The areas you
are interested in have been completed.  There are both
Bremer,s and Brinkman(n)'s listed for Achim, Hoya,
Martfield and I believe Schwarme.

The second URL above indicates the availability of church
records for those areas.
Have fun:

Gale


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:22:24 -0600
 "Teri Hanson" <hansonmtjj(a)comcast.net> wrote:
I am researching my family from the Schwarme and Martfeld area.

Here is what I know:

ANNA KATHERINE BRINKMAN b. Oct 26, 1862 in Schwarme. Parents - Johann Brinkman and Margaret Unknown. Married in 1884 to Johann Bremer.

JOHANN RENNIG DIETRICH BREMER born July 8, 1859 in Martfeld. Parents - Johann Heinrich Rennig Bremer and Sophie Henriette Rehorst (b. January 3, 1824), They moved to Schwarme after a fire destroyed most of the town of Martfeld.

I would love to go back as far as possible. Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can start digging.

Thank you, Teri Hanson

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[HN] Newspaper morgues vs Archives

Date: 2005/03/29 20:36:23
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi to those interested, or not, in Morgues.

First, thanks to those who provided the URL's for finding items in old German newspapers.

In trying to be specific, I created confusion.

Webster states the following:

Morgue: Defination #2. Journalism. A department of a newspaper office where miscellaneous material for reference is filed. (Old newspapers)

Archive: Defination #1. A place for keeping public records. Defination #2. Public records.

(Public meaning Government.)

Since I was looking for private newspapers I used the term Morgue.


Gale

Re: [HN] Newspaper morgues vs Archives

Date: 2005/03/29 21:20:12
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi:

I received the following e-mail from Paul Rakow on the Pommern List. It may be of interest to some members of this list.

Gale


    Gale,

There are collections of old newspapers, though in Germany they are kept in libraries, not morgues.

The biggest collection of Pommern papers is in the University Library in Greifswald, other large collections are in the University Library in Rostock and the Natonal Library in Berlin.

I think in general not as much has been microfilmed in Germany as in America, you are more likely to get originals to look at for local papers, big city papers have often been filmed.

The German papers don't have obituaries of 'ordinary' people like you see in American local papers, but they do have advertisements placed by the families of those who've died, listing the surviving relatives. That will often give a death date and birth date, and a woman's maiden name.

There are other interesting adverts, looking through the Bublitz paper from the 1880s I saw lots of 'honour advertisements' of the type "I'm sorry for what I said last week about X, signed Y" (which would make you want to know more about the story), official notices such as "X, Y and Z are officially declared to be notorious drunkards, and everyone is warned not to let them have any Schnapps", occasionally advertisements that a family is about to emigrate (I think the idea was to give people a chance to collect any debts owed), notices of bankruptcy sales, and also (which could be an excellent source of information) advertisements looking for possible heirs. Once a year there was a list of the men called up for the Army.

I've used the newspapers in the National Library in Berlin (on Unter den Linden), though the paper where I actually found the most was the "Volksbote Wochenblatt", a German-language paper from Shawano County in Wisconsin. Why that was sitting in Berlin is a mystery to me.

           Yours,
              Paul Rakow

Re: [HN] Newspaper morgues vs Archives

Date: 2005/03/29 21:50:52
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>

Thanks for sharing Gale. That was good.

Jb

I received the following e-mail from Paul Rakow on the Pommern List. It may be of interest to some members of this list.

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[HN] Suche Pastorenfamilie; Ergänzungen zu Te il II

Date: 2005/03/29 22:37:23
From: Felix Arndt <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Liste,

da war ich wohl etwas voreilig. Hier nochmals meine Suche mit Ergänzungen: 
Ich suche alles über Henrich MARTHAEI (oder MARTH) und seine Familie. Er war von 1628 bis 1664 Pastor von Lauenhagen und stammte angeblich möglicherweise aus Hohenhausen, Amt Varenholz, Grafschaft Lippe. 1624 wird er MARTHAEUS, 1636 MARTHUS genannt. Sein Bruder Engelbart MARTHUS (Engelke MARTHAEUS) war 1640 Küster in Lauenhagen; seine Schwester Maria MARTH heiratete 1636 Hanß Detmer, Krüger zu Lauenhagen. Seine Witwe wurde am 15.03.1667 begraben. Ihre Tochter Margarethe Hedewigh MARTHEN war die Frau des Hülshäger Halbmeiers Hans BARTHELS *1621 Riehe? +09.04.1708. 
Ich bin an weiteren Daten über Kinder, Eltern, Geschwister und Ehefrau(en?) des Henrich MARTHAEI sowie sonstiges interessiert. 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Felix Arndt

felix_arndt(a)gmx.net

[HN] Thanks Gale - Schwarme/Martfeld

Date: 2005/03/30 02:41:02
From: Teri Hanson <hansonmtjj(a)comcast.net>

Thanks Gale,

Twice I have written emails to the Hanover 1852 Census website asking how to order their books.  Neither time I received a response.  Do you suppose they do not read English?

Teri Hanson
Hansonmtjj(a)comcast.net

Re: [HN] Thanks Gale - Schwarme/Martfeld

Date: 2005/03/30 04:03:46
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Teri:

Try this e-mail address:  hrs(a)hist.de

Jens Müller-Koppe is the owner of the site. I ordered a half dozen copies of Amt Hoya part 3. I used my Master card. At that time he did not have a secure site, so I sent him two different e-mails with "telephone numbers" and a "birth date". Your credit card companies will normally give you a good rate of exchange and Jens will get his money in Euros.

When I ordered Amt Hoya part 3, it cost $14 U.S. That would be just short of $20 at the current rate of exchange.

He has all of Amt (sort of a district) Martfeld translated and interpreted. Part 7 is for the town of Martfeld and was listed at $14 at the time I ordered.

If you send him the names of the towns and people, he will tell which parts of the census you need and will probably confirm the existence of your ancestors before you order. He did for me. In over 50 years of searching, the 1852 census was the only lead I had to my grandfather and his family. It turned out that my GF had cousins that also immigrated to the U.S. In fact I met a "new cousin" who grew up less than 30 miles from where I grew up.

Gale



On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:40:47 -0600
 "Teri Hanson" <hansonmtjj(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Thanks Gale,

Twice I have written emails to the Hanover 1852 Census website asking how to order their books. Neither time I received a response. Do you suppose they do not read English?

Teri Hanson
Hansonmtjj(a)comcast.net
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[HN] Deutsch to English-Deutsch-Englisch

Date: 2005/03/30 06:09:39
From: Georgia Bruns <georgianuehring(a)hotmail.com>

 Dear Listers,
Please excuse the computer translation.

 Lieber Listers, 
entschuldigen bitte die maschinelle Übersetzung.


A person I know sent me this in an e-mail.  I do not think it means what he
thinks it does, however I do not know what it means either.

 Eine Person, die ich kenne, schickte mir dieses in einer E-mail. Ich denke
nicht, es bedeutet, daß was denkt er, tut es, gleichwohl ich nicht weiß, was
es auch nicht bedeutet.

" and his
birthplace is given, although the handwriting is difficult to read for
some of it:  it is Lohe, Amt Sahte"

I would be most thankful if someone could tell me what "Lohe, Amt Sahte" is
translated. 
Ich würde am dankbarsten sein, wenn jemand mir erklären könnte, was "Lohe,
Amt Sahte" übersetzt wird. 

Thanks for your help.

Dank für Ihre Hilfe.
 
Georgia Nuehring Bruns
researching Nuhring, Nuehring, Nehring, Kreplin, Warnholtz, Grossman,
Yauslin, Homeyer, Sander,Kregel,Stade, Von Stade, Rohn,
 Borcherding, Schultz, Buchholz and many others.  From Iowa, Husum, Krein,
Germany, and other places.
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/u/Georgia-A-Bruns/
Have a great day and may God Bless You!
 
 
 

[HN] ritterbusch-ridderbusch

Date: 2005/03/30 14:57:40
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

Wer kann für mir im Archiv gegen Bezahlung
nachsehen:

AERZEN:
Taufen 1875-
Trauungen 1896-
Beerdigungen 1880-

HAMELSCHENBURG (GELLERSEN):
Taufen 1875-
Trauungen 1878-
Beerdigungen 1894-

KIRCHBRAK
Taufen 1875-
Trauungen 1875-
Beerdigungen 1863-

Im Voraus Dank für Antwort.
Mit freundlichem Gruss,

W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.

[HN] Aktualisierte AL

Date: 2005/03/30 15:34:52
From: Felix Arndt <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Liste,

da sich meine AL in letzter Zeit durch neue Namen und neue Orte teils beträchtlich erweitert hat, hier nun die aktualisierte Fassung:

Meine Ahnen mütterlicherseits stammen aus der Grafschaft (1619-1622 Fürstentum) Schaumburg (existierte bis 1640/47), dann aus der Grafschaft Schaumburg-Lippe (Fürstentum 1806 bis 1918, bis 1946 Freistaat, seitdem zu Niedersachsen) und der Grafschaft Schaumburg (1647/48 bis 1806 in Personalunion mit der Landgrafschaft Hessen, 1806 bis 1813 zum Königreich Westfalen, 1813 bis 1821 in Personalunion mit dem Kurfürstentum Hessen, 1821 bis 1866 zum Kurfürstentum Hessen, ab 1866 zur preußischen Provinz Hessen-Nassau gehörig, 1932 zur preußischen Provinz Hannover, seit 1946 zu Niedersachsen) sowie aus dem Kurfürstentum Hannover (existierte 1692 bis 1805, ab 1714 in Personalunion mit dem Königreich Großbritannien und Irland) und der Grafschaft Lippe.

Familiennamen meiner Vorfahren: BARTEL/BARTELDES/BARTELS/BARTHELS/BARTHOLS; BIESTERFELD; BLOMBERG; BOCK/BOCKS; BOEDECKER; BOTERMANN; BRADTMÖLLER; BRANDES/BRANS; BRUNS; BUHREN; BURCHERD/BURCHERDES; BURMEISTER; CALMEYER; DORNBUSCH; DREWES; DREYER; EBERT; EFFERTS/EVERS/EVERTS; ENGELKING; EVERDING/EVERDINGES; FALCKE; GELLERMANN; GEWECKEN; GRAGERT/GRAWERDES/GRAWERT/GRAWERTH ALIAS LAMESTINCK/LAMSTING; GROTE/GROTH; GUESEWELLE; HERMENING/HERMLING/HARMENINCK/HARMENING/HARMENINGS; HARTMANN; HASEMAN/HASEMANN; HECHT; HEIDMEIER; HEISTERBERG/HESTERBERG; HIDSEMANS/HITZEMANN; HOLLE; HOMEIER; HORST; KASTNING; KIRCHMANN; KLUGE; KNAKE; KNOLLE; KOELLER; KÖLLING; KREUET; LAMPE; LANGWER; LÜBKE; LUTERT/LUTHER/LUTTER/LUTTHER; MARTH/MARTHEN/MARTHEI/MARTHEUS/MARTHUS; MATTHIAS; MEIER/MEYER/MEYERS; MENKING; MENSCHING; MÖLLER; MOLTHAHN/MOLTHAHNS; NIEMEIER; PLUMER/PLUMERS; PÖHLER; REINEKING; RUST; SCHÖNBECK; SCHÖTTELDREIER/SCHÖTTELNDREIER; SCHÜTTE, SCHWEER/SCHWEHER/SCHWER/SCHWERS; SCHWIRING; SEULKE/SÖHLKE/SÖLE/SOELKE/SÖLKE/SOELEKE/SÖLEKE/SOHLE/SOLEKE; STEDING; STEMME; SUNDERMEIER/SUNDERMEYER; UHE; VEHLING/VEHLINGES; VALTRUPS/VOLTORPS; WENTE; WIDDEL; WILHARM; WILKER; WINCKELHAKE/WINKELHACKE/WINLELHAKE; WOHLGEMUTH/WOHLGEMUTS 

Deren Herkunftsorte (soweit bekannt): Ahnsen; Antendorf; Apelern; Auhagen; Blyinghausen;  Ehlen; Emanshausen; Englischen Rade; Großhegesdorf; Groß Nenndorf; Grove; Habichhorst; Heidbrink; Helpsen; Hessisch Oldendorf; Heßlingen; Heuerßen; Hiddensen; Hohenhausen; Hohnhorst; Hörkamp; Hülshagen; Kleinhegesdorf; Kobbensen; Krebshagen; Kuckshagen; Lauenhagen; Levesen; Liekwegen; Loccum; Lüdersfeld; Lüne; Meerbeck; Neuseggebruch; Niedernholz; Nienstädt; Nordsehl; Obervornhagen; Obernwöhren; Petzen; Pollhagen; Probsthagen; Reinebult; Reinsdorf; Reinsen; Riehe?; Sachsenhagen; Stadthagen; Südhorsten; Sülbeck; Vornhagen; Vornhagen Kniepersteil; Wackerfeld; Wendthagen

Re: [HN] Suche Klindworth aus Daerstorf (Ksp. Elstorf) - Heinrich Klindworth ...

Date: 2005/03/30 21:45:04
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

I am also researching Hans Klindtworth from Agathenburg, Germany.
Have a Nice Day!  Jill


I am currently researching the following names:
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime
nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalski,Poertner,P
ranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Springhorn, 
Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Winteregg,Wistinghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Z
inzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
Jill Leimkuehler










(MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com)

Re: [HN] Deutsch to English-Deutsch-Englisch

Date: 2005/03/30 22:36:10
From: Wilfried Petersen <520090605062-0001(a)T-Online.de>

"Georgia Bruns" <georgianuehring(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
>

> " and his
> birthplace is given, although the handwriting is difficult to read for
> some of it:  it is Lohe, Amt Sahte"
>
> I would be most thankful if someone could tell me what "Lohe, Amt Sahte" is
> translated.


Hello Georgia,

"Lohe" is the name of a place. There are about 10 in Germany, most of them in the north-west of Germany (former province of Westphalia and kingdom of Hannover).

"Amt" is like a county.

"Sahte" means the name of the Amt, but I can't find it. Probably the spelling is wrong.

Regards
Wilfried Petersen


Re: [HN] Lohe, Amt Sahte ...rland ?

Date: 2005/03/31 00:20:22
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de>

...
> " and his
> birthplace is given, although the handwriting is difficult to read for
> some of it:  it is Lohe, Amt Sahte"
>
> I would be most thankful if someone could tell me what "Lohe, Amt Sahte" is
> translated.
...
> Georgia Nuehring Bruns

Perhaps only just one more speculation, but I found in an older Postcode-book with just the elderly post-codes (only four numbers, today five) a place named SATERLAND with the number W-2915 and one of the different places LOHE as "LOHE b. Westerstede = W-2914 BARßEL". That means in other words, there is a place named LOHE nearby WESTERSTEDE having become part of the place 2914 BARßEL, which is in the very neighbourhood of 2915 SATERLAND. Nowadays Postcodenrs are 26683 SATERLAND and 26676 BARßEL. The whole speculation is based upon the custom that one place in the region was taken to give a name to the administration unit "Amt" and of course that "Saterland" was shortened to "Sahte". If you get no better hint, this one maybe worth a concentration on "Lohe b. Westerstede". Perhaps someone other knows, if an "Amt" Saterland had been existent for a time. 

Good Luck         Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel


Re: [HN] Lohe, Amt Sahte ...rland ?

Date: 2005/03/31 00:47:36
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,

     I have been searching around the areas of the various towns called Lohe
in my German atlas.  Like Hans Peter,  I found a town by the name Lohe
(which is a tiny little town southeast of Barssel - I haven't figured out
how to do the "ss" symbol).  To the south-southwest of Barssel is an area
called Saterland. There are also other towns called Loher Westmark and Loher
Ostmark, an area called Loherwald and also Lohhorst.
    Do you have evidence that your family came from Hannover?   Barssel was
not in Hannover, but in Oldenburg. Where they Catholic or Lutheran?  You
will have to establish what that Sahte means since there are so many towns
by the name of Lohe.  There are a number of LDS films on Catholic church
records in that area.

Barbara
     
    



on 3/30/05 3:00 PM, Hans Peter Albers at 320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de
wrote:

> ...
>> " and his
>> birthplace is given, although the handwriting is difficult to read for
>> some of it:  it is Lohe, Amt Sahte"
>> 
>> I would be most thankful if someone could tell me what "Lohe, Amt Sahte" is
>> translated.
> ...
>> Georgia Nuehring Bruns
> 
> Perhaps only just one more speculation, but I found in an older Postcode-book
> with just the elderly post-codes (only four numbers, today five) a place named
> SATERLAND with the number W-2915 and one of the different places LOHE as "LOHE
> b. Westerstede = W-2914 BARßEL". That means in other words, there is a place
> named LOHE nearby WESTERSTEDE having become part of the place 2914 BARßEL,
> which is in the very neighbourhood of 2915 SATERLAND. Nowadays Postcodenrs are
> 26683 SATERLAND and 26676 BARßEL. The whole speculation is based upon the
> custom that one place in the region was taken to give a name to the
> administration unit "Amt" and of course that "Saterland" was shortened to
> "Sahte". If you get no better hint, this one maybe worth a concentration on
> "Lohe b. Westerstede". Perhaps someone other knows, if an "Amt" Saterland had
> been existent for a time.
> 
> Good Luck         Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
> 
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Re: [HN] Lohe, Amt Sahte ...rland ?

Date: 2005/03/31 01:05:02
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

For this: (ß) hold down Alt and punch in 225---Bbob
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:47:10 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
> Hello,
> 
>      I have been searching around the areas of the various towns 
> called Lohe
> in my German atlas.  Like Hans Peter,  I found a town by the name 
> Lohe
> (which is a tiny little town southeast of Barssel - I haven't 
> figured out
> how to do the "ss" symbol).  To the south-southwest of Barssel is an 
> area
> called Saterland. There are also other towns called Loher Westmark 
> and Loher
> Ostmark, an area called Loherwald and also Lohhorst.
>     Do you have evidence that your family came from Hannover?   
> Barssel was
> not in Hannover, but in Oldenburg. Where they Catholic or Lutheran?  
> You
> will have to establish what that Sahte means since there are so many 
> towns
> by the name of Lohe.  There are a number of LDS films on Catholic 
> church
> records in that area.
> 
> Barbara
>      
>     
> 
> 
> 
> on 3/30/05 3:00 PM, Hans Peter Albers at 
> 320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de
> wrote:
> 
> > ...
> >> " and his
> >> birthplace is given, although the handwriting is difficult to 
> read for
> >> some of it:  it is Lohe, Amt Sahte"
> >> 
> >> I would be most thankful if someone could tell me what "Lohe, Amt 
> Sahte" is
> >> translated.
> > ...
> >> Georgia Nuehring Bruns
> > 
> > Perhaps only just one more speculation, but I found in an older 
> Postcode-book
> > with just the elderly post-codes (only four numbers, today five) a 
> place named
> > SATERLAND with the number W-2915 and one of the different places 
> LOHE as "LOHE
> > b. Westerstede = W-2914 BARßEL". That means in other words, there 
> is a place
> > named LOHE nearby WESTERSTEDE having become part of the place 2914 
> BARßEL,
> > which is in the very neighbourhood of 2915 SATERLAND. Nowadays 
> Postcodenrs are
> > 26683 SATERLAND and 26676 BARßEL. The whole speculation is based 
> upon the
> > custom that one place in the region was taken to give a name to 
> the
> > administration unit "Amt" and of course that "Saterland" was 
> shortened to
> > "Sahte". If you get no better hint, this one maybe worth a 
> concentration on
> > "Lohe b. Westerstede". Perhaps someone other knows, if an "Amt" 
> Saterland had
> > been existent for a time.
> > 
> > Good Luck         Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
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Re: [HN] Lohe, Amt Sahte ...rland ?

Date: 2005/03/31 01:24:13
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Bob --
    Thanks but I have one of the  superior computers called a MAC and  I
don't have the patience to figure it out since this is the first time in my
5 years that I needed to use it!
Barbara


on 3/30/05 4:03 PM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:

> For this: (ß) hold down Alt and punch in 225---Bbob
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:47:10 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> writes:


Re: [HN] Lohe, Amt Sahte ...rland ?

Date: 2005/03/31 01:31:39
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Bob, 
     I found it--it's so obvious: option(or alt) and a "s"--there it is:   ß
See, you inspired me to look for it and now I learned something new.
Barbara


on 3/30/05 4:23 PM, R&B Stewart at raybarbara(a)comcast.net wrote:

> Hi Bob --
> Thanks but I have one of the  superior computers called a MAC and  I
> don't have the patience to figure it out since this is the first time in my
> 5 years that I needed to use it!
> Barbara
> 
> 
> on 3/30/05 4:03 PM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:
> 
>> For this: (ß) hold down Alt and punch in 225---Bbob
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:47:10 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>> writes:
> 
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[HN] ß

Date: 2005/03/31 01:38:46
From: DmRice <DmRice(a)aol.com>

ß  -    Try holding down option key and hitting the "s".
Works on my wonderful - but obsolute  - Mac laptop.   

(No idea what AOL may do to it before it gets to list!)

Barb Rice

[HN] The "extended character set"

Date: 2005/03/31 02:30:21
From: Bob & Marilyn Thaden <bmthaden(a)midrivers.com>

Not only the s-zet (ß) but the entire range of what Microsoft called the
extended character set,
Is available to PC users by setting up what they call the Character Map as a
part of your taskbar.

You can do it simply.  I use WIN-XP, but all versions of Windows are
similar:  A) Go to start, all programs, accessories, system tools.  Right
click on the Character Map and send it to the desktop as a shortcut.  Then
you can drag the icon (looks like a 3D keyboard key)to your taskbar and it
is always there for you.  

Dann können Sie alle die fremde Karakter machen. Öüäß, etc.  It's also great
for adding all those "wingding" things to your letters, like scissors, 3D
boxes, etc.  Makes stuff look so much more professional.

Good luck, all in writing German text like a typesetter.

Bob Thaden in Montana


[HN] Danke/ Thank You

Date: 2005/03/31 04:08:44
From: Georgia Bruns <georgianuehring(a)hotmail.com>

 Dear Listers,
Thanks to all who responded about where Lohe, Amt Sahte, is.  

We are working on the Buchholz families that came to Iowa.  The ones that
tie into my line are from the Linsburg and Husum area. (near Hannover) They
are also Lutheran.  I do not know if this family is related to the others or
not. 

I have been working on the Nühring line for 15 years.  All that I have
studied are related, and to my knowledge, most came to Iowa between
1843-1890. 9 immigrant families, all cousins or brothers and sisters.  Other
Nühring immigrant families that are related are in Indiana, and  Ohio. 

I am guessing that there is a relationship between the Buchholz families.  I
could also be very wrong. 

Once again, thanks so much.  This is truly a very helpful list.  
With friendly greetings,
Georgia Nuehring Bruns

 Lieber Listers, dank alle, die ungefähr reagierten, wo Lohe, Amt Sahte, ist
  

Wir arbeiten auf den Buchholz Familien, die nach Iowa kamen. Die, die in
meine Linie binden, sind vom Linsburg und Husum Bereich (nahe Hannover), das
sie auch Lutheraner sind. Ich weiß nicht, wenn diese Familie mit den anderen
oder nicht zusammenhängt. 

Ich habe auf der Nühring Linie für 15 Jahre gearbeitet. Alle, die ich
studiert habe, sind und meines Wissens, die meisten kamen nach Iowa zwischen
1843-1890 in Verbindung stehend. 9 einwandernde Familien, alle Vetter oder
Brüder und Schwestern. Andere Nühring einwandernde Familien, die in
Verbindung stehend sind, sind in Indiana und Ohio. 

Ich schätze, daß es ein Verhältnis zwischen den Buchholz Familien gibt. Ich
könnte sehr falsch auch sein. 

Noch einmal Dank soviel. Dieses ist wirklich eine sehr nützliche Liste. 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen, 
Georgia Nuehring Bruns


 
Georgia Nuehring Bruns
researching Nuhring, Nuehring, Nehring, Kreplin, Warnholtz, Grossman,
Yauslin, Homeyer, Sander,Kregel,Stade, Von Stade, Rohn,
 Borcherding, Schultz, and many others.  From Iowa, Husum, Krein, Germany,
and other places.
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/u/Georgia-A-Bruns/
Have a great day and may God Bless You!
 
 
 

[HN] Bruns

Date: 2005/03/31 05:44:23
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Georgia:  I cannot help you with Lohe or Sahte - cannot find either on my map.  I'm sure some of the more knowledgeable people on the list can find it for you.  But I am interested in your Bruns connection in Iowa - particularly in Bremer Co. in the 1870s.  My Bruns came from further north - Vilsen and Asendorf area - and many settled in Bremer Co, Iowa.  If we have any connection, I'd be happy to hear ablut it.      Jane


Jane Swan
jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Re: [HN] The "extended character set"

Date: 2005/03/31 05:58:17
From: Peg Oberbeck <poberbeck(a)mindspring.com>

You can also change your keyboard to fuction like a keyboard in other
countries. The keys actually become the new letters with the proper
character for each country. It is very easy to get used to. My husband even
noticed that the computer recognizes a switch to an international web site
and uses the correct country keyboard. I had to do this on my laptop which
had no seperate number pad. I could not enter the alt keys in family tree
maker.

On Windows XP go to the control panel. Click on Regional and Language
Options.
The window that pops up has 3 tabs - Regional Options, Languages and
Advanced. Advanced.
The top box says Languages for non-unicode programs. There is a box that
probably says English (United States) or whatever country you are in. Click
the arrow on the right and you will get a list of all the countries you can
add. Follow the directions in the windows as they pop up. Be sure to
reselect the original language before you leave the pop up window.

After you do this, Windows XP will have a small icon on the task bar. Mine
says EN. When I click on the EN icon a pop up window shows me that I can
switch my keyboard to German, Swedish or Dutch. It is very easy to get used
to and very easy to switch the computer back and forth between keyboard
languages.

Hope others find this helpful

Peg Oberbeck


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob & Marilyn Thaden" <bmthaden(a)midrivers.com>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: 03/30/2005 6:27 PM
Subject: [HN] The "extended character set"


Not only the s-zet (ß) but the entire range of what Microsoft called the
extended character set,
Is available to PC users by setting up what they call the Character Map as a
part of your taskbar.

You can do it simply.  I use WIN-XP, but all versions of Windows are
similar:  A) Go to start, all programs, accessories, system tools.  Right
click on the Character Map and send it to the desktop as a shortcut.  Then
you can drag the icon (looks like a 3D keyboard key)to your taskbar and it
is always there for you.

Dann können Sie alle die fremde Karakter machen. Öüäß, etc.  It's also great
for adding all those "wingding" things to your letters, like scissors, 3D
boxes, etc.  Makes stuff look so much more professional.

Good luck, all in writing German text like a typesetter.

Bob Thaden in Montana

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Re: [HN] Lohe-Stöckse / Linsburg / Nienburg

Date: 2005/03/31 10:21:56
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

The German phone directory listed 19 Nühring addresses, mainly in Soltau amd Verden.
But south-east of the town Nienburg is a village called Lohe Gemeinde Stöckse (Gemeinde = community), zip code 31638.
Located in Kreis(former Amt) Nienburg - like county.
Close to this place is listed this address:

Nühring, Petra
  Weißer Berg 6
  31636 Linsburg

Bruns and Buchholz are very common names in northern of Germany, also in Linsburg is a Bruns address and in Nienburg Buchholz:

Bruns, Elke
  Pfefferberg 6
  31636 Linsburg

Regarding Sathe I have not an idea.

Werner




>  Dear Listers,
> Thanks to all who responded about where Lohe, Amt Sahte, is.

> We are working on the Buchholz families that came to Iowa.  The ones that
> tie into my line are from the Linsburg and Husum area. (near Hannover)
> They
> are also Lutheran.  I do not know if this family is related to the others
> or
> not.

> I have been working on the Nühring line for 15 years.  All that I have
> studied are related, and to my knowledge, most came to Iowa between
> 1843-1890. 9 immigrant families, all cousins or brothers and sisters.
> Other
> Nühring immigrant families that are related are in Indiana, and  Ohio.

> I am guessing that there is a relationship between the Buchholz families.
> I
> could also be very wrong.

> Once again, thanks so much.  This is truly a very helpful list.
> With friendly greetings,
> Georgia Nuehring Bruns

>  Lieber Listers, dank alle, die ungefähr reagierten, wo Lohe, Amt Sahte,
>  ist


> Wir arbeiten auf den Buchholz Familien, die nach Iowa kamen. Die, die in
> meine Linie binden, sind vom Linsburg und Husum Bereich (nahe Hannover),
> das
> sie auch Lutheraner sind. Ich weiß nicht, wenn diese Familie mit den
> anderen
> oder nicht zusammenhängt.

> Ich habe auf der Nühring Linie für 15 Jahre gearbeitet. Alle, die ich
> studiert habe, sind und meines Wissens, die meisten kamen nach Iowa
> zwischen
> 1843-1890 in Verbindung stehend. 9 einwandernde Familien, alle Vetter oder
> Brüder und Schwestern. Andere Nühring einwandernde Familien, die in
> Verbindung stehend sind, sind in Indiana und Ohio.

> Ich schätze, daß es ein Verhältnis zwischen den Buchholz Familien gibt.
> Ich
> könnte sehr falsch auch sein.

> Noch einmal Dank soviel. Dieses ist wirklich eine sehr nützliche Liste.
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> Georgia Nuehring Bruns



> Georgia Nuehring Bruns
> researching Nuhring, Nuehring, Nehring, Kreplin, Warnholtz, Grossman,
> Yauslin, Homeyer, Sander,Kregel,Stade, Von Stade, Rohn,
>  Borcherding, Schultz, and many others.  From Iowa, Husum, Krein, Germany,
> and other places.
> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/u/Georgia-A-Bruns/
> Have a great day and may God Bless You!



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Re: [HN] Aktualisierte AL >>> Rust

Date: 2005/03/31 11:01:32
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo,

Aus welchem Ort stammen Ihre RUST-Vorfahren?

Ich habe RUST in Hameln, Hannover und Altenhagen b. Springe


	Christoph Haupt



-- 
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Am Friedenstal 1/3
D-30627 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
www.haupt-researcher.de



"Felix Arndt" <felix_arndt(a)gmx.net> schrieb:
> Liebe Liste,
> 
> da sich meine AL in letzter Zeit durch neue Namen und neue Orte teils beträchtlich erweitert hat, hier nun die aktualisierte Fassung:
> 
> Meine Ahnen mütterlicherseits stammen aus der Grafschaft (1619-1622 Fürstentum) Schaumburg (existierte bis 1640/47), dann aus der Grafschaft Schaumburg-Lippe (Fürstentum 1806 bis 1918, bis 1946 Freistaat, seitdem zu Niedersachsen) und der Grafschaft Schaumburg (1647/48 bis 1806 in Personalunion mit der Landgrafschaft Hessen, 1806 bis 1813 zum Königreich Westfalen, 1813 bis 1821 in Personalunion mit dem Kurfürstentum Hessen, 1821 bis 1866 zum Kurfürstentum Hessen, ab 1866 zur preußischen Provinz Hessen-Nassau gehörig, 1932 zur preußischen Provinz Hannover, seit 1946 zu Niedersachsen) sowie aus dem Kurfürstentum Hannover (existierte 1692 bis 1805, ab 1714 in Personalunion mit dem Königreich Großbritannien und Irland) und der Grafschaft Lippe.
> 
> Familiennamen meiner Vorfahren: BARTEL/BARTELDES/BARTELS/BARTHELS/BARTHOLS; BIESTERFELD; BLOMBERG; BOCK/BOCKS; BOEDECKER; BOTERMANN; BRADTMÖLLER; BRANDES/BRANS; BRUNS; BUHREN; BURCHERD/BURCHERDES; BURMEISTER; CALMEYER; DORNBUSCH; DREWES; DREYER; EBERT; EFFERTS/EVERS/EVERTS; ENGELKING; EVERDING/EVERDINGES; FALCKE; GELLERMANN; GEWECKEN; GRAGERT/GRAWERDES/GRAWERT/GRAWERTH ALIAS LAMESTINCK/LAMSTING; GROTE/GROTH; GUESEWELLE; HERMENING/HERMLING/HARMENINCK/HARMENING/HARMENINGS; HARTMANN; HASEMAN/HASEMANN; HECHT; HEIDMEIER; HEISTERBERG/HESTERBERG; HIDSEMANS/HITZEMANN; HOLLE; HOMEIER; HORST; KASTNING; KIRCHMANN; KLUGE; KNAKE; KNOLLE; KOELLER; KÖLLING; KREUET; LAMPE; LANGWER; LÜBKE; LUTERT/LUTHER/LUTTER/LUTTHER; MARTH/MARTHEN/MARTHEI/MARTHEUS/MARTHUS; MATTHIAS; MEIER/MEYER/MEYERS; MENKING; MENSCHING; MÖLLER; MOLTHAHN/MOLTHAHNS; NIEMEIER; PLUMER/PLUMERS; PÖHLER; REINEKING; RUST; SCHÖNBECK; SCHÖTTELDREIER/SCHÖTTELNDREIER; SCHÜTTE, SCHWEER/SCHWEHER/SCHWER/SCHWERS; SCHWIRING; SEULKE/SÖHLKE/SÖLE/SOELKE/SÖLKE/SOELEKE/SÖLEKE/SOHLE/SOLEKE; STEDING; STEMME; SUNDERMEIER/SUNDERMEYER; UHE; VEHLING/VEHLINGES; VALTRUPS/VOLTORPS; WENTE; WIDDEL; WILHARM; WILKER; WINCKELHAKE/WINKELHACKE/WINLELHAKE; WOHLGEMUTH/WOHLGEMUTS 
> 
> Deren Herkunftsorte (soweit bekannt): Ahnsen; Antendorf; Apelern; Auhagen; Blyinghausen;  Ehlen; Emanshausen; Englischen Rade; Großhegesdorf; Groß Nenndorf; Grove; Habichhorst; Heidbrink; Helpsen; Hessisch Oldendorf; Heßlingen; Heuerßen; Hiddensen; Hohenhausen; Hohnhorst; Hörkamp; Hülshagen; Kleinhegesdorf; Kobbensen; Krebshagen; Kuckshagen; Lauenhagen; Levesen; Liekwegen; Loccum; Lüdersfeld; Lüne; Meerbeck; Neuseggebruch; Niedernholz; Nienstädt; Nordsehl; Obervornhagen; Obernwöhren; Petzen; Pollhagen; Probsthagen; Reinebult; Reinsdorf; Reinsen; Riehe?; Sachsenhagen; Stadthagen; Südhorsten; Sülbeck; Vornhagen; Vornhagen Kniepersteil; Wackerfeld; Wendthagen

[HN] Giesselmann in/from Göttingen?

Date: 2005/03/31 13:27:48
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)T-Online.de>

Liebe Listige,
Hello freinds,

gibt es bei irgend jemandem Hinweise auf:
is there anybody in the air who knows about:

Am 05.12.1865 kommen 7 Mitglieder der Familie Gießelmann
aus Göttingen über BREMEN auf der "Reinhart" (?) in New York an:

* ??.??.1797 Louisa GIESSELMAMM (mother)
* ??.??.1826 John Henry GIESSELMANN (her son)
  (* 07.08.1829 Caroline, his wife, is not listed on passenger manifest)
* ??.??.1852 Henry GIESELMANN (1. grand-child)
* 27.01.1855 Frederick GIESELMANN (2. grand-child)
* 03.02.1859 Charles GIESELMANN (3. grand-child)
* 14.05.1862 Herman GIESELMANN (4. grand-child)
* ??.??.1864 Henrietta GIESELMANN (5. grand-child)

Jeder Hinweis ist höchst willkommen.
Any help appreciated.


Klaus (Vahlbruch)


Re: [HN] Suche Klindworth aus Daerstorf (Ksp. Elstorf) - HeinrichKlindworth ...

Date: 2005/03/31 14:11:53
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hello Jill !
I recommend to contact
Evangelische Kirchengemeinde St. Wilhadi III, Wilhadikirchhof 10,
Pastor Golon
Wiesenstraße 4
D 21680 Stade
Telephon: 0049-4141-46303
This church is competent for the parish of Agathenburg
Many regards from Hamburg
Rolf

----- Original Message -----
From: <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Suche Klindworth aus Daerstorf (Ksp. Elstorf) -
HeinrichKlindworth ...


>
> I am also researching Hans Klindtworth from Agathenburg, Germany.
> Have a Nice Day!  Jill
>
>
> I am currently researching the following names:
>
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewie
z,
>
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klind
tw
>
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Lei
me
>
nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalski,Poertner
,P
> ranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Springhorn,
>
Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Winteregg,Wistinghausen,Wole
rs,/Wohlerst,Z
> inzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
> Jill Leimkuehler
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[HN] Thunhorst

Date: 2005/03/31 14:35:11
From: Merrickwagner <Merrickwagner(a)cs.com>

Hello Rolf,
  My wife is researching Thunhorst.  Her Great Grandfather was Heinrich F. 
Thunhorst (dob July 11, 1861 in Hannover, dod Jan. 30, 1936 Cleveland, Ohio.  
She is having trouble connecting the which Frederick Wilhelm is her Great Great 
Grandfather. There are 2 born in the same year.  He married Marie Elisse 
George.  They were Lutheran and attended the Trinity Lutheran Church in Cleveland.  
Let me know if you are related or if we can help you in any way.    Rick 
Wagner   

Re: [HN] Danke/ Thank You

Date: 2005/03/31 14:37:36
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Hi Georgia,

I know this is a long shot but I have just recently found that some of my
people come from the HUSUM and LINSBURG areas.  If you come across the
names STAFFHORST, BARTLING, BENNING, NIEMEYER, KRUMWIEDE, NOLTE or MEYER
in those areas, I would appreciate if you would contact me---------Bob
Marhenke in Lincoln NE
=================================================================




On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:02:51 -0600 (Central Standard Time) "Georgia
Bruns" <georgianuehring(a)hotmail.com> writes:
>  Dear Listers,

> Thanks to all who responded about where Lohe, Amt Sahte, is.  

> 

> We are working on the Buchholz families that came to Iowa.  The ones 
> that
> tie into my line are from the Linsburg and Husum area. (near 
> Hannover) They
> are also Lutheran.  I do not know if this family is related to the 
> others or
> not. 

> 

> I have been working on the Nühring line for 15 years.  All that I 
> have
> studied are related, and to my knowledge, most came to Iowa between
> 1843-1890. 9 immigrant families, all cousins or brothers and 
> sisters.  Other
> Nühring immigrant families that are related are in Indiana, and  
> Ohio. 

> 

> I am guessing that there is a relationship between the Buchholz 
> families.  I
> could also be very wrong. 

> 

> Once again, thanks so much.  This is truly a very helpful list.  

> With friendly greetings,

> Georgia Nuehring Bruns

> 

>  Lieber Listers, dank alle, die ungefähr reagierten, wo Lohe, Amt 
> Sahte, ist
>   

> 

> Wir arbeiten auf den Buchholz Familien, die nach Iowa kamen. Die, 
> die in
> meine Linie binden, sind vom Linsburg und Husum Bereich (nahe 
> Hannover), das
> sie auch Lutheraner sind. Ich weiß nicht, wenn diese Familie mit den 
> anderen
> oder nicht zusammenhängt. 

> 

> Ich habe auf der Nühring Linie für 15 Jahre gearbeitet. Alle, die 
> ich
> studiert habe, sind und meines Wissens, die meisten kamen nach Iowa 
> zwischen
> 1843-1890 in Verbindung stehend. 9 einwandernde Familien, alle 
> Vetter oder
> Brüder und Schwestern. Andere Nühring einwandernde Familien, die in
> Verbindung stehend sind, sind in Indiana und Ohio. 

> 

> Ich schätze, daß es ein Verhältnis zwischen den Buchholz Familien 
> gibt. Ich
> könnte sehr falsch auch sein. 

> 

> Noch einmal Dank soviel. Dieses ist wirklich eine sehr nützliche 
> Liste. 

> Mit freundlichen Grüßen, 

> Georgia Nuehring Bruns

> 

> 

>  

> Georgia Nuehring Bruns

> researching Nuhring, Nuehring, Nehring, Kreplin, Warnholtz, 
> Grossman,
> Yauslin, Homeyer, Sander,Kregel,Stade, Von Stade, Rohn,

>  Borcherding, Schultz, and many others.  From Iowa, Husum, Krein, 
> Germany,
> and other places.

> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/u/Georgia-A-Bruns/

> Have a great day and may God Bless You!

>  

>  

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Re: [HN] The "extended character set" Keypad

Date: 2005/03/31 18:30:56
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Peg:

Most laptops have a keypad, but it is seldom noticed. Usually there is an Fn key which, when pushed changes part of the keyboard into a neumerical keypad. The 7,8,9 remain the same numbers the u, i, o become 4, 5, 6 the j, k, l become 1, 2, 3 and m becomes 0. There are other keys which are activated when the Fn key is pushed. Sound off- on, volume, screen brightness, status, LCD/CRT, standby, pad lock, scroll lock, pause and break. P becomes multiplication, ; becomes subtraction, . becomes decimal and / becomes addition.


Gale


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:58:00 -0600
 "Peg Oberbeck" <poberbeck(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
You can also change your keyboard to fuction like a keyboard in other countries. The keys actually become the new letters with the proper character for each country. It is very easy to get used to. My husband even noticed that the computer recognizes a switch to an international web site and uses the correct country keyboard. I had to do this on my laptop which had no seperate number pad. I could not enter the alt keys in family tree
maker.

On Windows XP go to the control panel. Click on Regional and Language
Options.
The window that pops up has 3 tabs - Regional Options, Languages and
Advanced. Advanced.
The top box says Languages for non-unicode programs. There is a box that probably says English (United States) or whatever country you are in. Click the arrow on the right and you will get a list of all the countries you can add. Follow the directions in the windows as they pop up. Be sure to reselect the original language before you leave the pop up window.

After you do this, Windows XP will have a small icon on the task bar. Mine says EN. When I click on the EN icon a pop up window shows me that I can switch my keyboard to German, Swedish or Dutch. It is very easy to get used to and very easy to switch the computer back and forth between keyboard
languages.

Hope others find this helpful

Peg Oberbeck


----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob & Marilyn Thaden" <bmthaden(a)midrivers.com>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: 03/30/2005 6:27 PM
Subject: [HN] The "extended character set"


Not only the s-zet (ß) but the entire range of what Microsoft called the
extended character set,
Is available to PC users by setting up what they call the Character Map as a
part of your taskbar.

You can do it simply. I use WIN-XP, but all versions of Windows are similar: A) Go to start, all programs, accessories, system tools. Right click on the Character Map and send it to the desktop as a shortcut. Then you can drag the icon (looks like a 3D keyboard key)to your taskbar and it
is always there for you.

Dann können Sie alle die fremde Karakter machen. Öüäß, etc. It's also great for adding all those "wingding" things to your letters, like scissors, 3D
boxes, etc.  Makes stuff look so much more professional.

Good luck, all in writing German text like a typesetter.

Bob Thaden in Montana

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Re: [HN] Thunhorst

Date: 2005/03/31 19:26:05
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

Hi Rick
I live close to Cleveland and could look up information for you. I talked  to 
Rolf before about surname similarities. 
Eric Truhn
 also Thrun

Re: [HN] Thunhorst

Date: 2005/03/31 19:31:19
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Rick,

     Have you seen this?
    http://home.earthlink.net/~schloetzer/surnames.htm

Barbara



on 3/31/05 5:34 AM, Merrickwagner(a)cs.com at Merrickwagner(a)cs.com wrote:

> Hello Rolf,
> My wife is researching Thunhorst.  Her Great Grandfather was Heinrich F.
> Thunhorst (dob July 11, 1861 in Hannover, dod Jan. 30, 1936 Cleveland, Ohio.
> She is having trouble connecting the which Frederick Wilhelm is her Great
> Great 
> Grandfather. There are 2 born in the same year.  He married Marie Elisse
> George.  They were Lutheran and attended the Trinity Lutheran Church in
> Cleveland.  
> Let me know if you are related or if we can help you in any way.    Rick
> Wagner   
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Re: [HN] Thunhorst

Date: 2005/03/31 20:25:25
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>

Rick,  I was born in Cleveland and I think your Thunhorst was a Godparent to 
one of my Fuelling children at Trinity Lutheran Church.  My research is at 
Rootweb  click on register for a report and  on each name for more info <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kaspar01&id=I3305";>
RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: The Leimkuehler Family of Essex Junction, Vermont The 
Mazgaj Family of Essex Junction, Vermont</A>                                       
                                             
  <A HREF="http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=kaspar01&id=I3305";>RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: The Leimkuehler Family of Essex Junction, 
Vermont The Mazgaj Family of Essex Junction, Vermont</A> 
  Johann Christopher Fuelling/Fulling  was my grest grest grandfather  We may 
be related. 
Have a Nice Day!  Jill

I am currently researching the following names:
Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez,
Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw
orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime
nkuhler,Lydon,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalski,Poertner,P
ranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Springhorn, 
Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Winteregg,Wistinghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Z
inzack, Zynczak,Zinczak
Jill Leimkuehler










(MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com)

Re: [HN] Thunhorst

Date: 2005/03/31 20:39:34
From: Merrickwagner <Merrickwagner(a)cs.com>

Hello Barbara,
  Thanks for responding to my query.  Yes, we have seen the website you 
mentioned.  In fact, I believe my wife gave the information to the site 
administrator.  I was hoping she could make a connection in Hannover.  We are going to 
order the German church records on microlfilm and view them at the LDS research 
center in Kirtland, Ohio.  Hopefully my wife can find the right Friedrich 
Wilhelm Thunhorst family in the records.  We live about 10 minutes from the 
center.
                                                                 Best wishes,
                                                                 Rick
                                                          

[HN] Thunhorst

Date: 2005/03/31 20:48:42
From: Merrickwagner <Merrickwagner(a)cs.com>

Hello Eric, 
  Thanks for answering my query.  I too live in the Cleveland area, and I 
appreciate your offer to help.  We have done hands on researching of the Zion and 
Trinity Lutheran records.  We need to return to Trinity and dig deeper.  My 
wife can't find where her Great Great Grandparents (Friedrich Wilhelm and Maria 
Elisse "Eliza" Thunhorst) are buried.  We used to be able to look at the 
cemetery records at Highland Park.  But now that we are denied access to these 
records, the search is more difficult.  The name Thunhorst indeed is spelled in 
many different ways.
                                                       Best wishes, 
                                                        Rick

Re: [HN] Thunhorst

Date: 2005/03/31 21:01:49
From: Merrickwagner <Merrickwagner(a)cs.com>

Hello Jill,
  Thank you for responding to my query.  I think my wife has already been in 
contact with you.  I have been on the Hannover site for about 1 month.  I was 
lucky because I made connections in Germany with Wolfgang Dreuse.  His Buer 
website had my Thies ancestors.  I was able to fit the puzzle of family 
connections, here in Cleveland, together.  I also helped him by giving him information 
of my "Sielehr" Buer emigrants. I was hoping I could be as lucky for my wife. 
 I believe she has found new information since she had contacted you.
                                                                              
      Best wishes, 
                                                                              
      Rick

[HN] Research in Hannover and the 1852 census

Date: 2005/03/31 22:01:00
From: Peg Oberbeck <poberbeck(a)mindspring.com>

I have done extensive research on branches of my family tree in other parts
of Germany. All of the research was done using the films from the LDS
library. I have also been to Germany twice to visit the areas of those
ancestors.

I am now planning another trip to germany this summer to meet our German
Oberbeck Cousin and would like to try to research my Kampermann family in
Hanover.  The following is what I have.

1. Family information -  Eilt Johann Campermann or Kampermann was born on
August 25, 1840 in Hanover. His parents were Eilt and Anna Campermann both
born in Germany.

2. Death certificate - born August 25, 1844, which is confirmed by the US
census.

3.Naturalization - John Campermann was 27 years old born in the Kingdom of
Hanover, emigrated from Bremen in 1869 arrived in New York on 13 March. The
naturalization is dated  8th Oct, 1870 which makes his birthdate 1843.

4. Germans To America Entry - Ship Hermann From Bremen to New York Arrived
15th March, 1869. He was listed as Juergen Campermann 25, Farmer with a code
of 0L000 and the destination of USA. The list of Village Codes identified
0L000 as Liebenau.

5. Shipping Record from New York - Ship Hermann arrived 15 March, 1869 from
Bremen. Juergen Campermann, 25, farmer, from Oldenburg.

6. I also asked for a check of the Germans to America CD's. There were only
7 other Kampermann listed, 1 was a single man from Hannover going to New
Orleans in 1855 and 6 were a family from Wellinghausen in Hanover. They
emigrated in 1866 and went to St. Louis. I have not been able to find
Wellinghausen in Hanover.
***Does anybody know where Wellinghausen might be? If there is a
Wellinghausen near Liebenau it might help me confirm the location of the
family name. It is not a common name in Germany. It might be Dutch.

7. John Kamperman lived in LaFayette, Indiana. He worked for the railroad
and owned his own coal company until his death on 26 Feb, 1904. I have not
found an obituary. His wife Anna Busch lived another 50 years and died on 8
Oct, 1954, she was 101. She left her family history, but no furthur info
about John has been found.

***How accurate is the information in the record #4 from Germans to America?
Is the identification of the village as Liebenau accurate? I tend to believe
that information more then the shipping record when he arrived in New York
that indicates he was from Oldenburg. Should I not believe either record?

If he was actually from Liebenau, I located 2 possible villages in Hannover.
    One Liebenau is northwest of Hannover near Nienburg. I believe there is
a Lutheran Church.
    There is also a Liebenau west of Hofgeismar, north of Kassel. I am not
sure of the parish.
*** Can anybody find Wellinghausen close to either of these villages of
Liebenau?

***With the information I have, will it be possible to check the parish
records when I am in Hannover? My husband speaks German and I have done lots
of German research. I believe I would need an appointment?
***Would the 1852 census help me locate the Kampermann family?

Thank you very much for any help and suggestions!

Peg Oberbeck
Wisconsin







[HN] Seek Descendents Friedrich Gansberg

Date: 2005/03/31 22:34:46
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>



The 1851 German Census shows three youngsters aged 1-3 named Friedrich GANSBERG in Hoya, Kingdom of Hannover.

Which one is my great-grandfather and which one is yours?  Can we compare notes?  Please respond!

M. Shelly



[HN] Lohe, Buchholz,Borcherding

Date: 2005/03/31 23:25:40
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Georgia,

I think I can help to answer your question about Lohe. I myself lived there
in the eightys for some years. If your ancestors come from Linsburg and
Husum, your Lohe cannot be that one near Westerstede or Barßel, but that one
near Stöckse. It is very small and there are only 5 houses, mostly farmers. 
It lies between Wenden and Steimbke and today it belongs to Steimbke.
Linsburg and Husum are just nearby. The Church has the following adress:

                                                                      
Pfarramt Steimbke
                                                                      
Kirchstrasse 3
                                                                       31634
Steimbke

"Amt Sahte" might be a wrong spelling, because "Sahte" is no german
expression. "Saterland"  is the name for a region southwest of Oldenburg
with an own language.
This area did not belong to the "Großherzogtum Oldenburg"; the inhabitants
were and still are mostly catholic.

I have a Buchholz-ancestor in the early 19th century from Steimbke, which is
near Linsburg.There is also a Borcherding-ancestor in the 17th century in
Holtorf, which is also nearby. If you are interested in this persons, I will
send you my informations.


Kind regards from Oldenburg (near Westerstede and Barßel)

Susanne 

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Re: [HN] Seek Descendents Friedrich Gansberg

Date: 2005/03/31 23:58:36
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Maureen:

It sounds like you may have intended to address your message to a particular person, however, others on the list may be able to help if you can give additional information such as other family members, ages and inlaws.

For an instance: Friedrich Gandsberg b 1848, Mother Dorothee Radecke b 1819, Father Ludwig b 1921. Also in the household, Friedrich Haase b 1837 and Father-in-law Johann Radecke b 1781. They were living in (of Course) Gandsberge.

Gale






On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:39:53 -0600
 "Maureen" <mcshelly2(a)msn.com> wrote:



The 1851 German Census shows three youngsters aged 1-3 named Friedrich GANSBERG in Hoya, Kingdom of Hannover.

Which one is my great-grandfather and which one is yours? Can we compare notes? Please respond!

M. Shelly


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