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[HN] ? concerning emigration Reply Gerke, Stelloh

Date: 2005/02/01 01:42:33
From: GenFritz <GenFritz(a)aol.com>

Please could someone help me with some questions I have?
Here is what I recieved Today and the best translation of it I could get. My 
Questions are at the end of this.
Sehr geehrter Herr Gerke,
habe die von Ihnen genannten Signaturen betreffend August Gerke und Conrad 
Stelloh in den Akten Hann. 74 Sulingen Nr. 74 gefunden. Dazu kommen noch zwei 
andere Akten in Betracht, die höchstwahrscheinlich weitere Daten über Conrad 
Stelloh enthalten. Wenn die Fotowerkstatt des Hauptstaatsarchivs Hannover diese 
Unterlagen fotografieren soll, so kommen ungefähr folgende Kosten auf Sie zu:
-auf einfachem Papier : ca. 30-40 Euro;
-auf Fotopapier glänzend: ca. 120,- Euro;
- auf gebrannter CD: ca 40-50 Euro.
Geben Sie mir bitte Bescheid, ob Sie weiterhin interessiert sind.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen  
Johann Krischanitz
Niedersächsisches Landesarchiv 
- Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover -
Johann Krischanitz 
Am Archiv 1
30169 Hannover
Tel.: 0511 120 6608
Fax: 0511 120 6699
Johann.Krischanitz(a)nla.niedersachsen.de
Translation to English 
Dear Mr. Gerke, has from you signatures specified concerning August the Gerke 
and Conrad Stelloh in the documents Hann.  74 Sulingen No. 74 found.  In 
addition still two other documents are possible, which contain most likely further 
data over Conrad Stelloh.  If the photo workshop of main public records 
Hanover is to photograph these documents, then the approximately following costs 
come to you: 
 up simple paper:  approx. 30-40 euro;  
up photo paper shining:  approx. 120, - euro;  -
 on burned CD:  approx. 40-50 euro.  
Let me please know whether you are further interested.  Yours sincerely 
Johann Krischanitz national archives of Lower Saxony - main public records Hanover 
- Johann Krischanitz at archives 1 30169 Hanover Tel.:  0511 120 6608 fax:  
0511 120 6699 Johann.Krischanitz(a)nla.niedersachsen.de
 
1st Question How much is a Euro in dollars?
2nd Question Is the prices quoted a total or per page?
3rd Question would it be better to get it on a CD or Paper?
4th Question What would be the easiest way to pay?
Thanks for any help.
Fritz

Re: [HN] ? concerning emigration Reply Gerke, Stelloh

Date: 2005/02/01 05:19:23
From: Jim <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>

For exchange rates go to this address   http://finance.yahoo.com/currency?u
Today the exchange rate was 1 Euro == $1.30. The exchange rate is very bad
for Americans as the dollar taking a beating.

----- Original Message -----
From: <GenFritz(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: [HN] ? concerning emigration Reply Gerke, Stelloh


Please could someone help me with some questions I have?
Here is what I recieved Today and the best translation of it I could get. My
Questions are at the end of this.
Sehr geehrter Herr Gerke,
habe die von Ihnen genannten Signaturen betreffend August Gerke und Conrad
Stelloh in den Akten Hann. 74 Sulingen Nr. 74 gefunden. Dazu kommen noch
zwei
andere Akten in Betracht, die höchstwahrscheinlich weitere Daten über Conrad
Stelloh enthalten. Wenn die Fotowerkstatt des Hauptstaatsarchivs Hannover
diese
Unterlagen fotografieren soll, so kommen ungefähr folgende Kosten auf Sie
zu:
-auf einfachem Papier : ca. 30-40 Euro;
-auf Fotopapier glänzend: ca. 120,- Euro;
- auf gebrannter CD: ca 40-50 Euro.
Geben Sie mir bitte Bescheid, ob Sie weiterhin interessiert sind.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Johann Krischanitz
Niedersächsisches Landesarchiv
- Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover -
Johann Krischanitz
Am Archiv 1
30169 Hannover
Tel.: 0511 120 6608
Fax: 0511 120 6699
Johann.Krischanitz(a)nla.niedersachsen.de
Translation to English
Dear Mr. Gerke, has from you signatures specified concerning August the
Gerke
and Conrad Stelloh in the documents Hann.  74 Sulingen No. 74 found.  In
addition still two other documents are possible, which contain most likely
further
data over Conrad Stelloh.  If the photo workshop of main public records
Hanover is to photograph these documents, then the approximately following
costs
come to you:
 up simple paper:  approx. 30-40 euro;
up photo paper shining:  approx. 120, - euro;  -
 on burned CD:  approx. 40-50 euro.
Let me please know whether you are further interested.  Yours sincerely
Johann Krischanitz national archives of Lower Saxony - main public records
Hanover
- Johann Krischanitz at archives 1 30169 Hanover Tel.:  0511 120 6608 fax:
0511 120 6699 Johann.Krischanitz(a)nla.niedersachsen.de

1st Question How much is a Euro in dollars?
2nd Question Is the prices quoted a total or per page?
3rd Question would it be better to get it on a CD or Paper?
4th Question What would be the easiest way to pay?
Thanks for any help.
Fritz
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[HN] salbuch usw.

Date: 2005/02/01 10:08:09
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

Was zeignet:

1. Salbuch
2. Wittiber
3. Wörcktow

Wer kann mir das sagen?

Mit freundlichem Gruss aus die Niederlande,
W.A.Ridderbos

Re: [HN] Ständige Suche nach...

Date: 2005/02/01 11:38:23
From: J.Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Guten Tag Herr Helberg ,
Im nachfolgenden Bericht lese ich dasz Sie in Ostnieder-sachsen wohnen :
zufällig im Kreis Dannenberg ?
Ich bin nämlich auf der Suche nach Daten über eine
Marlena Freudenhammer , geboren um 1650 , möglich
in Dannenberg oder Umgebung .
Vielen Dank im Voraus für einen eventuellen Hinweis und
mit freundlichen Grüssen aus Holland ,
Jacobus Hannema .


----- Original Message -----
From: "Uwe Helberg" <HerrMorn(a)gmx.de>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: [HN] Ständige Suche nach...


> Hallo Gruppenmitglieder
>
> Aus dem Raum Hannover suche ich die Namen:
>
> Dörge, Flebbe und Röbke.
>
> Die Namen Wunsch, Christoph und Helberg in den USA.
>
> Grüße aus Ostniedersachsen
>
> Uwe Helberg
>
> --
> Carpe Diem
>
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Re: [HN] salbuch usw.

Date: 2005/02/01 18:43:14
From: Heinrich Munk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Ridderbos, ein Salbuch ist ein Register des Besitzes, vgl. engl. sale Verkauf, Besitzübertragung, Wittiber ist ein niederdeutsches Wort für Witwer, das dritte Wort kann ich Ihnen leider nicht erklären, in elchem Zusammenhang haben Sie das Wort gelesen? Alles Gute Heinrich
"w.a. ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl> schrieb:
> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> 
> Was zeignet:
> 
> 1. Salbuch
> 2. Wittiber
> 3. Wörcktow
> 
> Wer kann mir das sagen?
> 
> Mit freundlichem Gruss aus die Niederlande,
> W.A.Ridderbos
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> 


Re: [HN] Emigration Archives Question

Date: 2005/02/02 00:45:12
From: Jim <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>

Moin Moin!
Can someone translate following Plattdeutsch for me and tell me how I should
respond.
Lot Di mol watt hörn!
Mfg
Jim Decker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration Archives Question


<GenFritz(a)aol.com> schrieb:
> Could someone please tell me once you find your ancesters in the index and
> you write the e-mail address in my case
postelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
> how long does it take them to answer you. It has been over 2 weeks now
since
> I have written requesting prices etc.  Should I try writing again?
> _______________________________________________

Hello GenFritz,

have you really used the E-mail address mentioned above? Then it is wrong.
The right address is:
poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
(with 2 "st" in poststelle).

Wilfried Petersen

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Re: [HN] Emigration Archives Question

Date: 2005/02/02 01:43:37
From: Neil Heimsoth <heimat(a)iland.net>

Moin,
A rough translation would be, "Let me hear from you."
Tschuess,
Neil Heimsoth
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim" <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration Archives Question


> Moin Moin!
> Can someone translate following Plattdeutsch for me and tell me how I
should
> respond.
> Lot Di mol watt hörn!
> Mfg
> Jim Decker
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration Archives Question
>
>
> <GenFritz(a)aol.com> schrieb:
> > Could someone please tell me once you find your ancesters in the index
and
> > you write the e-mail address in my case
> postelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
> > how long does it take them to answer you. It has been over 2 weeks now
> since
> > I have written requesting prices etc.  Should I try writing again?
> > _______________________________________________
>
> Hello GenFritz,
>
> have you really used the E-mail address mentioned above? Then it is wrong.
> The right address is:
> poststelle(a)staatsarchiv-h.niedersachsen.de
> (with 2 "st" in poststelle).
>
> Wilfried Petersen
>
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Re: [HN] Translation of Martina Becker's message

Date: 2005/02/02 03:40:03
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

To Martina Becker,

I am interested in your Marhieneke Family name.  I wonder if it is a
variation of Marhenke name from the Wallensen, Thüste area??--Bob
Marhenke


On 28 Jan 2005 09:09 GMT HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de (Heinrich Munk) writes:
> 
> Hallo Martina, hast Du inzwischen die Kopien aus dem Buch Gatzemeyer 
> erhalten oder suchtst Du immer noch? Ich könnte Dir5 Kopien aus dem 
> Buch machen, Gruß Heinrich
> "jhz" <14806(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
> > Hello, List members,
> > my name is Martina Becker and until now I have lurked on this list 
> with 
> > great interest. I am researching the miller family Engelke from 
> Hasede 
> > and the  Marheineke family from Barienrode, Diekholzen, Sorsum. I 
> am 
> > asking for assistance: in one volume by Friedrich Wecken/Friedrich 
> 
> > Gatzemeyer - Ahnentafeln around 1800 - there is an Ahnentafel of 
> the 
> > family Marheineke. It takes up only a few pages. Unfortunately I 
> don't 
> > remember which volume, and my copies have disappeared annoyingly 
> during 
> > a move. Who has the book and would be willing to copy these pages, 
> for 
> > payment, of course? It would be a great help to me.
> > With best regards,
> > Martina Becker
> > 
> > On Monday, December 6, 2004, at 05:42  PM, 
> > hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net wrote:
> > 
> > >>> Hallo Listenmitglieder,
> > >>> meine Name ist Martina Becker und ich war bisher nur stiller,
> > >>> interessierter
> > >>> Leser der Liste.
> > >>> Ich beschäftige mich mit der Müllerfamilie Engelke aus Hasede 
> und
> > >>> der
> > >>> Familie Marheineke aus Barienrode, Diekholzen, Sorsum.
> > >>> Nun hab ich eine Bitte um Hilfe. In einem Band von Friedrich
> > >>> Wecken/Friedrich Gatzemeyer -Ahnentafeln um 1800 - ist eine
> > >>> Ahnentafel der  Familie
> > >>> Marheineke abgedruckt.Es sind nur ein paar Seiten. Ich weis 
> leider
> > >>> nicht  mehr in
> > >>> welcher Band es war. Mir sind die Kopien  davon 
> ärgerlicherweise
> > >>> beim Umzug
> > >>> verloren gegangen. Wer hat das Buch und  könnte mir, natürlich 
> gegen
> > >>> Bezahlung,
> > >>> Kopien machen. Damit wäre mir sehr  geholfen.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mit besten Grüßen
> > >>> Martina Becker
> > 
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Re: [HN] salbuch usw.

Date: 2005/02/02 09:23:14
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrter Herr Munk,

Chronik Holzhausen, Seite 130:
''Verzeichnis der Wörcktow 1699''

Im Voraus Dan.
W.A.Ridderbos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Heinrich Munk" <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] salbuch usw.


> Sehr geehrter Herr Ridderbos, ein Salbuch ist ein Register des Besitzes,
vgl. engl. sale Verkauf, Besitzübertragung, Wittiber ist ein niederdeutsches
Wort für Witwer, das dritte Wort kann ich Ihnen leider nicht erklären, in
elchem Zusammenhang haben Sie das Wort gelesen? Alles Gute Heinrich
> "w.a. ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl> schrieb:
> > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> >
> > Was zeignet:
> >
> > 1. Salbuch
> > 2. Wittiber
> > 3. Wörcktow
> >
> > Wer kann mir das sagen?
> >
> > Mit freundlichem Gruss aus die Niederlande,
> > W.A.Ridderbos
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
>
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[HN] Was bedeutet 1. Salbuch 2. Wittiber 3 . Wörcktow

Date: 2005/02/02 10:27:05
From: Walter Lautenbach <w.lautenbach(a)gmx.de>

Hallo W.A.

Ihre Fragen:

Was bedeutet  1. Salbuch 2. Wittiber 3. Wörcktow

1. Salbuch
Register im Kataster, heute also wohl Flurstücksregister.
Van Gelderen, Duits Woordenboek, 13. druk 1959: Salbuch (verouderd) = legger
van 't kadaster. Legger = Register.
2. Wittiber
Wittwer. Vor allem wohl süddeutsch/oberbayrisch.
Schriftsteller Ludwig Thoma (1867 Oberammergau - 1921 Rottach/Tegernsee)
"Der Wittiber", Mundart-Roman über den Bauern Schormayer aus Kollbach im
Dachauer Land (Wittwer).
3. Wörcktow
Noch nichts gefunden.

Herzliche Grüße    Walter



Re: [HN] salbuch usw.

Date: 2005/02/02 11:32:12
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"w.a. ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl> schrieb:
> Sehr geehrter Herr Munk,
> 
> Chronik Holzhausen, Seite 130:
> ''Verzeichnis der Wörcktow 1699''
> 

Hallo Herr Ridderbos,

ist das dort gedruckt oder handgeschrieben. Unter dem Wort kann ich mir überhaupt nichts vorstellen. Das klingt auch gar nicht deutsch. Steht dort in dem Zusammenhang noch mehr, aus dem man weitere Schlüsse ziehen kann?

Gruß
Wilfried Petersen 



[HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia

Date: 2005/02/02 11:53:31
From: Rod and Rosaria <rodandrosaria(a)ozemail.com.au>

Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down.  Thanks very much to you all, Rod.

Re: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia

Date: 2005/02/02 12:14:04
From: Yvonne Marshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

To Rod and Rosaria,

Have you joined/subscribed to AUS-GERMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
as well as Hannover ?

It is a great list as well and only deals with Germans to Australia. It has been a good place for me to get accurate info. Yvonne in Melbourne.

[HN] Hannover Surnames

Date: 2005/02/02 13:41:31
From: Tom Becker <litemup(a)isd.net>

Hello to All,

I have been receiving this list for some months and would like to post my surnames and towns. I would be interested in hearing from anyone researching these surnames or also researching in these particular areas.

Hagemann (from) von Langenbrügge
Schulz (from) von Wieren
Endeward/Endewardt (from) von Drohe, Bodenteich
Haselbach (from) von Celle
Lotzow (from) von Lüneburg (also von Mecklenburg)
Brandenburg (from) von Lüneburg und Bardowick
Meier (from) von Bardowick
Siemann (from) von Bardowick
Maack (from) von Bardowick
Kruse (from) von Bardowick

I know that the Brandenburg name is very common in Germany. I am trying to find descendents of my Great Grandmothers brothers that remained in Germany. Their names were Adolph Wilhelm Brandenburg (born 1843), Heinrich Wilhelm Brandenburg (born 1853) and August Theodore Brandenburg (born 1857).

I would also be interested in knowing if anyone knows of records of persons returning through the German ports from America. My Great Great Grandmother went to America and then returned to Germany. I am trying to trace her journey back to her son's in Germany.
Thanks so much.  (Danke!!!)

Joanne Becker
St. Michael, Minnesota




[HN] Hannover Surnames

Date: 2005/02/02 14:03:26
From: jmbtwb <jmbtwb(a)isd.net>

Hello to All,

I have been receiving this list for some months and would like to post
my surnames and towns.  I would be interested in hearing from anyone
researching these surnames or also researching in these particular areas.

Hagemann (from) von Langenbrügge
Schulz (from) von Wieren
Endeward/Endewardt (from) von Drohe, Bodenteich
Haselbach (from) von Celle
Lotzow (from) von Lüneburg (also von Mecklenburg)
Brandenburg (from) von Lüneburg und Bardowick
Meier (from) von Bardowick
Siemann (from) von Bardowick
Maack (from) von Bardowick
Kruse (from) von Bardowick

I know that the Brandenburg name is very common in Germany.  I am trying
to find descendents of my Great Grandmothers brothers that remained in
Germany.  Their names were Adolph Wilhelm Brandenburg (born 1843),
Heinrich Wilhelm Brandenburg (born 1853) and August Theodore Brandenburg
(born 1857).

I would also be interested in knowing if anyone knows of records of
persons returning through the German ports  from America.  My Great
Great Grandmother went to America and then returned to Germany.  I am
trying to trace her journey back to her son's in Germany.

Thanks so much.  (Danke!!!)

Joanne Becker
St. Michael, Minnesota





Re: [HN] salbuch usw.

Date: 2005/02/02 16:42:44
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Chronik Holzhausen, Seite 129: Verzeichnis der Wörcketow 1699 (gedruckt).
Hierunter eine List mit Namen, u.a. Johan Henrich Ridderbusch (für mir
wichtig).
Es ist eines sehr schönes deutsches Buch!
Mit freundlichem Gruss,
W.A.Ridderbos

 Original Message ----- 
From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] salbuch usw.


> "w.a. ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl> schrieb:
> > Sehr geehrter Herr Munk,
> >
> > Chronik Holzhausen, Seite 130:
> > ''Verzeichnis der Wörcktow 1699''
> >
>
> Hallo Herr Ridderbos,
>
> ist das dort gedruckt oder handgeschrieben. Unter dem Wort kann ich mir
überhaupt nichts vorstellen. Das klingt auch gar nicht deutsch. Steht dort
in dem Zusammenhang noch mehr, aus dem man weitere Schlüsse ziehen kann?
>
> Gruß
> Wilfried Petersen
>
>
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[HN] location again!

Date: 2005/02/02 17:34:23
From: BGKnoche <BGKnoche(a)aol.com>

Need another location identified!  You were so helpful in pinpointing  
Steinau, Hanover for me as the birthplace of Claus Peter Knoche in 5/14/1832  & have 
now discovered the birthplace of Christena Karsten was Hanover,  Altendorf 
Bulkan in 6/23/1837.  She married Claus Peter Knoche in a  Lutheran church in 
Oster, Ehlienworth 3/31/1858.  They emmigrated in May  1881 from Bremen to New 
York and then on to Fort Wayne, IN.  I have their  information in the states 
but surely could use some help in Germany!!
Thanks
Betty Knoche

Re: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia

Date: 2005/02/02 18:05:48
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Rod,

     I wonder if that town might be Weener. It is close to the Netherlands
and the Ems river.  There are a lot of Kramers living in Weener today. There
are a lot of LDS films from there.  Do you have an LDS center close to you?

Good luck,
Barbara 




on 2/2/05 3:34 AM, Rod and Rosaria at rodandrosaria(a)ozemail.com.au wrote:

> Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod Smyth
> and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather emigrated to
> Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name was Heinrich
> CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of birth as "Veener,
> Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His fathers name was also
> Heinrich and his father was described as an innkeeper. This is as much as I
> know. Can anyone help at all, as it is proving to be very difficult to track
> this ancestor down.  Thanks very much to you all, Rod.
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia

Date: 2005/02/02 18:09:16
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Rod:

I don't know if you guys Down Under do the same as we do in the States, but we tend to turn the German "w" into an English "v".

There is a town by the name of Weener about half way between Groningen and Oldenburg. However, I do not know if it was ever in the Kingdom of Hanover, or particularly in 1840.

I am sure others on the list can do better than I can on that subject.

Gale



On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 21:34:56 +1100
 "Rod and Rosaria" <rodandrosaria(a)ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much to you all, Rod.
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Re: [HN] Emigration Archives Question (MOin MOin)

Date: 2005/02/02 19:09:31
From: Helmuth Gienke <helmuth(a)gienke.net>

< Moin Moin!
< Can someone translate following Plattdeutsch for me and tell me how I should
< respond.
< Lot Di mol watt hörn!

"Moin" is Nethergerman (Plattdeutsch), the old language spoken in today Northern Germany by the Saxons and means "a good" As is sounds like "Morgen" (morning) in slang, also the German dialect in North Germany (Missingsch), some people, who don't know the original meaning of "Moin", add this to the frist one or dublicate it. In some rural parts of Schleswig people would call them gassy. Correct would be "Moin Morren" or "Moin Morgen"in Plattdeutsch for good morning (there are many dialects of the Saxon language, one of them is English ;-). Good day is Moin Dag, good wind is Moin Wind and a good meal would be "Moiet Eten" etc.

BTW: the today Saxons in Germany are not really Saxons, the title "Duke of the Saxons" moved from Lauenburg/Elbe to Anhalt and then to the county of Meissen, the today state "Sachsen"and the name moved with the title. 

"Lot Di mal watt hörn" means "Let hear from you somewhat"

Best regards and moin Dag

Helmuth Gienke

Re: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia

Date: 2005/02/02 21:38:32
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Could it be Weener ? Veener is not present in Germany.

Weener is a small town in the Ostfriesland province, former a part of the Kingdom of Hannover, now State Niedersachsen. There you can find 27 Kramer addresses.

Check:  www.weener.de

Werner Honkomp



> Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod
> Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather
> emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His
> name was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place
> of birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His
> fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an
> innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is
> proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down.  Thanks very
> much to you all, Rod.
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[HN] EGGERS aus Behrensen

Date: 2005/02/02 21:49:21
From: Corinna Tomforde <corinna.tomforde(a)web.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

wer kann mir bei meiner Suche weiterhelfen? Ich suche die
genauen Geburts-/Sterbe-/Heiratsdaten und Eltern/Partner von

Andreas Eggers *ca 1700-? in Behrensen (?)
oo
Unbekannt

Die Tochter war

Anna Sophia Eggers *ca 1725 in Behrensen - 28.08.1778 in Thüdinghausen


Für nähere Angaben schaut bitte auf meine Homepage:
http://www.corinna-behrens.de


Vielen Dank für die Hilfe und schöne Grüße aus Hamburg


Corinna Tomforde

( http://www.corinna-behrens.de )


Re: [HN] salbuch usw.

Date: 2005/02/02 21:57:56
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"w.a. ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl> schrieb:
> Chronik Holzhausen, Seite 129: Verzeichnis der Wörcketow 1699 (gedruckt).
> Hierunter eine List mit Namen, u.a. Johan Henrich Ridderbusch (für mir
> wichtig).
> Es ist eines sehr schönes deutsches Buch!
> Mit freundlichem Gruss,
> W.A.Ridderbos
> 
Hallo Herr Ridderbos,

das ist ein echtes Rätsel. So ein Wort habe ich noch nie gehört oder gelesen und kann mir absolut nichts darunter vorstellen. Ist denn vielleicht aus dem der Liste evtl. beigefügten Text, aus dem Zusammenhang oder aus anderen Stellen des Buches irgend ein Hinweis darauf zu entnehmen, worum es sich handeln könnte?

Google weiss übrigens auch nichts.

Viele Grüße 
Wilfried Petersen


RE: [HN] location again!

Date: 2005/02/02 22:20:54
From: Barbara Virkus <bavirkus(a)msn.com>


  Hello,

  vielleicht kann ich helfen

  Alle Orte liegen im Land Kreis Hadeln.Zwischen Stade und Cuxhaven.

  Gruß Barbara
  >Need another location identified!  You were so helpful in pinpointing
  >Steinau, Hanover for me as the birthplace of Claus Peter Knoche in
  5/14/1832  & have
  >now discovered the birthplace of Christena Karsten was
  Hanover,  Altendorf
  >Bulkan BÜLKAU  in 6/23/1837.  She married Claus Peter Knoche in
  a  Lutheran church in
  >Oster OSTEN, Ehlienworth IHLIENWORTH3/31/1858.  They emmigrated in
  May  1881 from Bremen to New All in thr near from CUXHAVEN
  >York and then on to Fort Wayne, IN.  I have their  information in the
  states
  >but surely could use some help in Germany!!
  >Thanks
  >Betty Knoche
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References

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[HN] RE: Salbuch / Wörcktow

Date: 2005/02/02 22:56:42
From: Walter Lautenbach <w.lautenbach(a)gmx.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Ridderbos,

Ihre Frage lautete: Was bedeutet   Wörcktow

Ihr "Verzeichnis der Wörcktow (oder Wörcketow) 1699" macht uns wohl allen
Kopfzerbrechen.
Geben Sie uns bitte soviel Einzelheiten wie möglich an.
Wann und wo ist die Chronik Holzhausen erschienen?
Wer ist der Verfasser oder Herausgeber?
Wo ist das Buch vorhanden?
Wissen Sie oder vermuten Sie, um welches Holzhausen es geht?
Im Postleitzahlverzeichnis 1993 gibt es 42 verschiedene Orte Holzhausen.
Kennen Sie noch weitere Details?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen    Walter Lautenbach



Re: [HN] location again!

Date: 2005/02/03 01:48:49
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Betty,
     Bülkau is north and a little east of Steinau and west of Cadenberge.
I'm not sure how Altendorf fits in there.  The LDS have church records for
Bülkau. 
Barbara





on 2/2/05 9:34 AM, BGKnoche(a)aol.com at BGKnoche(a)aol.com wrote:

> Need another location identified!  You were so helpful in pinpointing
> Steinau, Hanover for me as the birthplace of Claus Peter Knoche in 5/14/1832
> & have 
> now discovered the birthplace of Christena Karsten was Hanover,  Altendorf
> Bulkan in 6/23/1837.  She married Claus Peter Knoche in a  Lutheran church in
> Oster, Ehlienworth 3/31/1858.  They emmigrated in May  1881 from Bremen to New
> York and then on to Fort Wayne, IN.  I have their  information in the states
> but surely could use some help in Germany!!
> Thanks
> Betty Knoche
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Re: [HN] location again!

Date: 2005/02/03 08:33:29
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Hello Betty,

all locations you are asking for have been identified by Barbara.

However, there exists no connection between the places Osten and Ihlienworth. 
Acc. to my understanding Claus Peter Knoche and Christina Karsten married in 
Ihlienwort at EASTER
(in German OSTERN) which was the day March 31, 1858.

Albin von Spreckelsen

Re: [HN] RE: Salbuch / Wörcktow

Date: 2005/02/03 09:17:02
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Da ich weiß, dass Herr Ridderbos in und um Pyrmont forsacht,
ist wohl derheutige Stadtteil von Bad Pyrmont mit Holzhausen
gemeint.
Herr Ridderbos scannen Sie einmal das Original und schucken
Sie mir ein *.jpeg-Datei an

reinhard.freytag(a)t-online.de

Ich kann Ihnen helfen.
Ich forsche auch in Holzhausen/Pyrmont

-- 
In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Wed,  2 Feb 2005 22:53:34 +0100
> Subject: [HN] RE: Salbuch / Wörcktow
> From: "Walter Lautenbach" <w.lautenbach(a)gmx.de>
> To: "Hannover Liste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>

> Sehr geehrter Herr Ridderbos,
> 
> Ihre Frage lautete: Was bedeutet   Wörcktow
> 
> Ihr "Verzeichnis der Wörcktow (oder Wörcketow) 1699" macht
uns wohl
> allen Kopfzerbrechen.
> Geben Sie uns bitte soviel Einzelheiten wie möglich an.
> Wann und wo ist die Chronik Holzhausen erschienen?
> Wer ist der Verfasser oder Herausgeber?
> Wo ist das Buch vorhanden?
> Wissen Sie oder vermuten Sie, um welches Holzhausen es
geht?
> Im Postleitzahlverzeichnis 1993 gibt es 42 verschiedene
Orte
> Holzhausen.
> Kennen Sie noch weitere Details?
> 
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen    Walter Lautenbach
> 
> 
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> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 




RE: [HN] location again!

Date: 2005/02/03 13:26:11
From: Barbara Virkus <bavirkus(a)msn.com>


  Betty wrote:
  Need another location identified!  You were so helpful in pinpointing
  Steinau, Hanover for me as the birthplace of Claus Peter Knoche in
  5/14/1832  & have now discovered the birthplace of Christena Karsten
  was Hanover,  Altendorf Bulkan in 6/23/1837.  She married Claus Peter
  Knoche in a  Lutheran church in Oster, Ehlienworth 3/31/1858.  They
  emmigrated in May  1881 from Bremen to New York and then on to Fort
  Wayne, IN.  I have their  information in the states but surely could
  use some help in Germany!! Thanks Betty Knoche
  Hello,
  you can ask
  Pfarramt
  Hauptstrasse 9
  21775 Ihlienworth
  Tel. +49 (o) 4755 214
  Pastor Klaus Volkhardt
  [1]KG.Buelkau-Oppeln-Belum(a)evlka.de
  or
  Archiv des Landkreises Cuxhaven
  Marktstrasse 2
  21762 Otterndorf
  Tel. + 49 (0) 475191480
  Fax. + 49 (0) 4751914891
  [2]archiv(a)landkreis-cuxhaven.de
  Di+Do 9 -16 Uhr
  Mi 9- 19 Uhr
  Greets Barbara
    _________________________________________________________________

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  kostenlos anmelden und überall erreichbar sein.

References

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  2. mailto:archiv(a)landkreis-cuxhaven.de
  3. http://g.msn.com/8HMADEDE/2749??PS=47575

[HN] (kein Betreff)

Date: 2005/02/03 15:35:53
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Herren Lautenbach und Petersen,

Holzhausen ist Holzhausen neben Griessem (Aerzen).

Buch: 
Geschichte und Chronik des Dorfes Holzhausen in der Graftschaft Pyrmont,
Heinrich Rostmann und Manfred Willeke,
Ausgeber: Stadt Bad Pyrmont,
Druck: J.C.Erhardt, Springe,
1. Auflage: 1000, November 2002.

Teil 3: Lehns- und Verwaltungsangelegenheiten.
Als ''Restanden'' werden in dem sog. Wörketauregister (d.h. Dienste und Lieferungen
für die Herrschaft) folgende Holzhäuser genannt:
Holzhausen, Verzeichnis der Wörcketow 1699,
danach die Liste mit Namen.

W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.

[HN] Karl Leopold Voges

Date: 2005/02/03 17:13:32
From: isete koliver <ikoliver(a)brturbo.com.br>

Hallo an alle Listenmitglieder. 
Ich suche der Name Voges,aus Hildescheim.
In particular, Karl Leopold Voges,geb. 1801, gestorben 03.10.1893,
in Tres Forquilhas, Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Isete Maria Koliver
e-mail: ikoliver(a)brturbo.com.br
Porto Alegre-Rio Grande do Sul-Brasil 


Re: [HN] Karl Leopold Voges

Date: 2005/02/03 17:25:52
From: Yvonne Marshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

What a long long life . Yvonne in Australia.

[HN] Holzhausen - Herrn Ridderbos

Date: 2005/02/03 20:00:03
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Sag ich doch...
 
> From: "w.a. ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>
>> 
> Holzhausen ist Holzhausen neben Griessem (Aerzen).
> 
> Buch:
> Geschichte und Chronik des Dorfes Holzhausen in der
Graftschaft
> Pyrmont, Heinrich Rostmann und Manfred Willeke,




Hallo, Herr Ridderbos,
wenn Sie Aufklärung suchen, lassen Sie es mich wissen.
Ich kenne Herrn Willeke, den Mitverfasser, recht gut.


In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag





[HN] Re: location again

Date: 2005/02/04 00:01:38
From: BGKnoche <BGKnoche(a)aol.com>

To all of you, thanks again!  Now it is back to the library &  their maps.
Betty Knoche

[HN] Surname GERIG[S]-Heinrich Wilhelm-In BOCKENEM

Date: 2005/02/05 14:08:13
From: JAZZIE2581 <JAZZIE2581(a)aol.com>

Heinrich  Wilhelm Gerig[s] was born in Bockenem in about 1831-1835. His 
father was Wilhelm  Gerig[s]who was deceased by 1880. Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] 
died in England in  1884. Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] was in England by at least 
1867.
  Has anyone came across this surname or this  family in Bockenem?
  Thank you.
  Chris

[HN] Familiennamen-Deutung: Links und Luchte

Date: 2005/02/05 16:09:43
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo in die Runden,

mit eintägiger Verspätung - entschuldigt bitte - hier der Link zu dem
gestrigen Artikel in der "Welt"

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/02/04/458161.html

Mit den besten Wünschen für den Rest des Wochenendes

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie


Re: [HN] Surname GERIG[S]-Heinrich Wilhelm-In BOCKENEM

Date: 2005/02/05 17:27:11
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Chris:

I don't know if you have located Bockenem on the map, but
it is south and a little east of Hanover.

The following is a URL from the Family History
Center/LDS/Mormons.

Germany, Preußen, Hanover, Bockenem

It lists an assortment of records which the FHC has
available

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

You can find the nearest FHC by using this page.

Good luck,


Gale


On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:08:02 EST
 JAZZIE2581(a)aol.com wrote:
Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] was born in Bockenem in about 1831-1835. His father was Wilhelm Gerig[s]who was deceased by 1880. Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] died in England in 1884. Heinrich Wilhelm Gerig[s] was in England by at least 1867. Has anyone came across this surname or this family in Bockenem?
 Thank you.
 Chris
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[HN] CRAMER emigrated to Australia

Date: 2005/02/06 01:37:53
From: Rod and Rosaria <rodandrosaria(a)ozemail.com.au>

Firstly, thanks so much for the great feedback. To answer Yvonne, I do subscribe to the AUS-GERMAN-L service. I haven't had any luck there at all, so I may re-post just to see what happens. To answer Barbara, thanks for a great suggestion about Veener=Weener. I will begin to dig at my local LDS centre here in Caulfield, Melbourne.
Thanks again,
Cheers, Rod

Re: [HN] CRAMER emigrated to Australia

Date: 2005/02/06 07:32:15
From: ybmarshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

Good luck with Aus -German list. Yvonne

[HN] Name Freudenhammer , vor 1700 .

Date: 2005/02/06 15:34:37
From: J.Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer ,

Bin noch immer auf der Suche nach Daten über eine
M . ( Marlena ? ) Freudenhammer , geb. um 1660  .  Bekannt ist dasz sie verheiratet war mit Wilhelm Storck , Camerdiener in Tecklenburg .  Wo kam sie her ???
-  vielleicht aus Kreis Werther ( Westfalen ) : es gab da
   ein Stadt-Chirurg Ferdinand Freudenhammer , geb. um
  1655 .
-  vielleicht aus Kreis Winzenburg/Calenberg oder
   Dannenberg ( Niedersachsen ) : auch da waren damals
   Freudenhammers .

Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich sehr dankbar .
Jacobus Hannema / Holland .


[HN] Carl u. Rud. Lehmann - 2 Japanpioniere aus Oldenburg - Vortrag am 12. Februar

Date: 2005/02/06 20:04:54
From: Womartens <Womartens(a)aol.com>

Liebe Mitglieder und Freunde der Genealogie !

Die Oldenburgische Gesellschaft für Familienkunde e.V. laedt ein zum 395. 
Vortrag, der am Sonnabend den 12. Februar 2005 um 16.00 Uhr im Vortragsraum vom 
Staatsarchiv Oldenburg  (Damm 43, 26135 Oldenburg)  stattfindet, der Eintritt 
ist frei.

Der Referent ist Dr. Gerd Hoffmann, der folgendes Thema behandelt: 
Im Jahre 2004 jaehrte sich zum 130. Mal der Todestag von Carl Lehmann 
(1831-1874) und zum 90. Mal der Todestag von Rudolph Lehmann (1845-1914). Die Brüder 
Lehmann entstammen einer angesehenen Oldenburger Familie. Diese Gedenktage 
sind Anlass genug, den Lebensweg der beiden bedeutenden Japanpioniere in der 
Umbruchphase Japans zu einem modernen Staat nachzuzeichnen und sich ihrer zu 
erinnern.

Carl Lehmann kam 1861 als Schiffbaumeister nach Japan, um in Nagasaki im 
Auftrage der japanischen Regierung Schiffswerften zu errichten. Sieben Jahre 
spaeter folgte ihm sein juengerer Bruder Rudolph nach, um in Osaka die ersten 
eisernen japanischen Schiffe zusammenzubauen. 

Nach der Meijireform 1868 beauftragte die neue japanische Reichsregierung 
Rudolph Lehmann, in Kyoto junge Japaner in deutscher Sprache und Kultur zu 
unterweisen. Nur drei Jahre später veroeffentlichte er das erste deutsch-japanische 
Wörterbuch.

Auf vielen Gebieten haben die Brueder Lehmann richtungsweisende Anstoesse 
fuer die staatliche, technische und auch landwirtschaftliche Modernisierung 
Japans gegeben. Darueber hinaus hat sich Rudolph Lehmann bleibende Verdienste als 
langjaehriger Praesident der Deutschen Gesellschaft für Natur- und Völkerkunde 
Ostasiens (OAG) und als Guendungsmitglied der evangelischen Kirche in Tokio 
erworben.

Weitere Informationen ueber die Oldenburgische Gesellschaft fuer 
Familienkunde: www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de


[HN] Suche KROLL oo GODBERSEN

Date: 2005/02/06 21:25:58
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)manquehue.net>

Suche die 4 Söhne von einem Oberförster

Richard Kroll, * 1883, † 1963

Ehefrau Elfriede Godbersen

Zwei Söhne sind im 2.WK gefallen.

Orte sind mir nicht bekannt, vieleicht Westpreussen oder Neumark ?
Jeder Hinweis ist von Interesse.

Georg Friederici

[HN] Suche Verbindung

Date: 2005/02/06 22:43:34
From: Delores Kikuchi <kidolly(a)verizon.net>

Ich suche eine Verbindung (Heiratet) in Deutschland zwischen die Familien Ahlswede und Ellerman, die aus Ottenstein stammten. Ich weiss, beide sind nach Wisconsin ausgewandert. Danke aus Hawaii.

[HN] Vortrag ueber die "Mormonen" am 12 Febr. in Osnabrueck

Date: 2005/02/07 11:26:55
From: Michael Ortmann <ortmann(a)osfa.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
ich möchte sie hinweisen auf einen Vortrag am kommenden Samstag in 
Osnabrück, der von überregionalem Interesse ist:

Vortrag vor dem Arbeitskreis Familienforschung Osnabrück
am 12. Februar 2005 um 14.00 Uhr im Landhaus Mehring,
Iburgerstr. 240 in Osnabrück

Marion Wolfert, Salt Lake City (Utah, USA):
"Wie finde ich meine ausgewanderten Verwandten und deren Nachfahren 
in den USA?"

Marion Wolfert arbeitet seit über 20 Jahren am Family History Center 
der Mormonen in Salt Lake City.  Im ersten Teil ihres Vortrag stellt 
sie das Family History Center mit seinen, auch über das Internet 
zugänglichen Forschungsmöglichkeiten vor.
Danach erläutert die Referentin, wie man an Hand spezifischer 
Quellen, wie US Census, Vital Records, Social Security Index seine 
ausgewanderten Verwandten und deren US-Nachkommen finden kann.

Im Anschluß an den Vortrag beantwortet Frau Wolfert Fragen.

Eine Anfahrtsbeschreibung findet sich auf www.osfa.de unter Termine.

Ich denke, der Vortrag ist eine seltene Gelegenheit, quasi aus erster 
Hand über die Arbeit des Family History Center informiert zu werden.


Freundliche Grüße
Michael Ortmann
Arbeitskreis Familienforschung Osnabrück


[HN] Verwohl - Kunze in Salzgitter sowie Weserbergland (fwd)

Date: 2005/02/07 14:12:52
From: Klaus Kunze <KJ.Kunze(a)t-online.de>

---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
To: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>,"Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>,"Niederschlesien" <niederschlesien-l(a)genealogy.net>,"Oberschlesien" <oberschlesien-l(a)genealogy.net>,"OW-Preussen" <ow-preussen-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Kunze in Salzgitter sowie Weserbergland

Liebe Listenmitglieder,
als neues Mitglied stelle ich mich im Internet vor:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/kkbad38259/
Mit besten Grüßen aus Salzgitter-Bad
------

[HN] Verwohl - Kunze in Salzgitter sowie Weserbergland (fwd)

Date: 2005/02/07 14:15:16
From: Klaus Kunze <KJ.Kunze(a)t-online.de>

---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Verwohl  -  Kunze in Salzgitter sowie Weserbergland (fwd)

---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
To: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>,"Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>,"Niederschlesien" <niederschlesien-l(a)genealogy.net>,"Oberschlesien" <oberschlesien-l(a)genealogy.net>,"OW-Preussen" <ow-preussen-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Kunze in Salzgitter sowie Weserbergland

Liebe Listenmitglieder,
als neues Mitglied stelle ich mich im Internet vor:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/kkbad38259/
Mit besten Grüßen aus Salzgitter-Bad
------
------

Re: [HN] Verwohl - Kunze in Salzgitter sowie Weserbergland (fwd)

Date: 2005/02/08 03:47:48
From: Jim <jimcats(a)earthlink.net>

Hallo Klaus
Du hast ein schoen familie.
Ich glauben das wir war einmal in der naher von Salzgitter bei ein Uhr
museum und ein Kirche aus Holz gebaut. Das ist ein sehr schoenen area.
Mfg
Jim Decker
----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Kunze" <KJ.Kunze(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:12 AM
Subject: [HN] Verwohl - Kunze in Salzgitter sowie Weserbergland (fwd)


---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
To: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>,"Hannover"
<hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>,"Niederschlesien"
<niederschlesien-l(a)genealogy.net>,"Oberschlesien"
<oberschlesien-l(a)genealogy.net>,"OW-Preussen" <ow-preussen-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Kunze in Salzgitter sowie Weserbergland

Liebe Listenmitglieder,
als neues Mitglied stelle ich mich im Internet vor:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/kkbad38259/
Mit besten Grüßen aus Salzgitter-Bad
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[HN] Carl u. Rud. Lehmann - 2 Japanpioniere aus Oldenburg

Date: 2005/02/08 08:56:41
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

sehr interessant.
Rena in England
==


Liebe Mitglieder und Freunde der Genealogie !(Womartens(a)aol.com)

Die Oldenburgische Gesellschaft für Familienkunde e.V. laedt ein zum 395.
Vortrag, der am Sonnabend den 12. Februar 2005 um 16.00 Uhr im Vortragsraum vom
Staatsarchiv Oldenburg (Damm 43, 26135 Oldenburg) stattfindet, der Eintritt
ist frei.

Der Referent ist Dr. Gerd Hoffmann, der folgendes Thema behandelt:
Im Jahre 2004 jaehrte sich zum 130. Mal der Todestag von Carl Lehmann
(1831-1874) und zum 90. Mal der Todestag von Rudolph Lehmann (1845-1914). Die Brüder
Lehmann entstammen einer angesehenen Oldenburger Familie. Diese Gedenktage
sind Anlass genug, den Lebensweg der beiden bedeutenden Japanpioniere in der
Umbruchphase Japans zu einem modernen Staat nachzuzeichnen und sich ihrer zu
erinnern.

Carl Lehmann kam 1861 als Schiffbaumeister nach Japan, um in Nagasaki im
Auftrage der japanischen Regierung Schiffswerften zu errichten. Sieben Jahre
spaeter folgte ihm sein juengerer Bruder Rudolph nach, um in Osaka die ersten
eisernen japanischen Schiffe zusammenzubauen.

Weitere Informationen ueber die Oldenburgische Gesellschaft fuer
Familienkunde: www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de

[HN] Timmermann aus Ihlienworth / Horneburg

Date: 2005/02/08 10:17:31
From: g . bassen <g.bassen(a)arcor.de>

Moin Zusammen,

vor Kurzem habe ich eine Spur wegen meiner "Timmermann" bekommen. Sie kommen möglicherweise aus Ihlienworth.

Es ist die Stecknadel im Heuhaufen. Die Kinder wurden in Hiorneburg geboren, die Eltern haben dort aber nicht geheiratet. Es gibt von daher keine Hinweise, woher sie stammen.

Aufgrund von Namensähnlichkeiten habe ich eine Spur nach Ihlienworth.

Wer kann mir weiterhelfen?

Die Eltern von mind. 5 Kindern (*1810 bis 1820 in Horneburg) sind 
Franz Andreas Timmermann, Seiler in Horneburg, und Margarethe Louise Brockmann

Sie müßten um 1808/09 geheiratet haben, und um 1780/85 geheiratet.

Der älteste Sohn heißt Johann Nicolaus Timmermann, *31.01.1810 in Horneburg. 

Johann Nicolaus Timmermann gibt es mehrfach in Ihlienworth, deshalb komme ich auf den Ort


Vielen Dank und Grüße      Günter


Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen

Suche in ganz Deutschland:  Bassen, Jagels
Suche bei Osterode am Harz:  Oppermann

Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
http://www.klein-meckelsen.de/


Arcor-DSL: die echte Flatrate für alle Bandbreiten. Jetzt ohne Einrichtungspreis
einsteigen oder wechseln. Arcor-DSL ist in vielen Anschlussgebieten verfügbar.
http://www.arcor.de/home/redir.php/emf-dsl-1


[HN] Eine neue Internetseite

Date: 2005/02/08 11:15:33
From: Wilfried Mieske <wilfried.mieske(a)freenet.de>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

nach einiger Bastelei sind wir nun auch im Netz vertreten. Ein oder zwei Links sind noch in Arbeit, dürften aber demnächst funktionieren. Ansonsten werde ich die Seiten nach und nach weiter ausbauen.
Wer also in den Gegenden um Czarnikau, Zempelburg, Giersdorf Kreis Neisse (und vielleicht sogar im Harz und Raum Hannover ) forscht, darf gern mal hereinschauen unter www.familie-mieske.de
Ich bitte aber um Nachsicht, da dies mein erstes "Werk" ist.

Gruß, Wilfried Mieske

[HN] Ringe in Hameln

Date: 2005/02/08 13:11:45
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Ich bin im Besitz des GARNISONSkirchenbuch von Hameln,
gedruckt.
Bitte noch mal die geanuen Daten, ich schaue nach.

In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Tue,  8 Feb 2005 09:19:05 +0100
> Subject: Re: Ringe
> From: "Dr. Andrea Busse Grawitz"
<bugra(a)Medizin.Ukl.Uni-Freiburg.De>
> To: reinhard.freytag(a)t-online.de

> Der Gottlieb Ringe war in Hameln als Musquetier.
> Leider finde ich ihn nirgendswo. Haben sie zufällig einen
Gottlieb
> Ringe?
> 
> Mein Mann ist nur in GÖ geboren.
> Grüsse aus Freiburg
> Andrea Busse Grawitz
> bugra(a)medizin.ukl.uni-freiburg.de
>



[HN] Ständige Suche nach.....

Date: 2005/02/08 15:29:59
From: Klaus Kunze <KJ.Kunze(a)t-online.de>


  Hallo Listenmitglieder,

  aus dem Raum Hameln - Bodenwerder - Holzminden suche ich die Namen:

  Kunze, Verwohl, Bartels und Rittersbusch.


  Grüße aus dem Harzvorland
  Klaus

Re: [HN] Ständige Suche nach.....

Date: 2005/02/08 16:40:50
From: w.a. ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrter Herr Kunze,
Ich habe viele Ritterbusch-Ridderbusch-Personen
aus Lippe, Aerzen, Kirchbrak, Ottenstein usw.
in meinem Register.
W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Klaus Kunze" <KJ.Kunze(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: [HN] Ständige Suche nach.....


>
>
>   Hallo Listenmitglieder,
>
>   aus dem Raum Hameln - Bodenwerder - Holzminden suche ich die Namen:
>
>   Kunze, Verwohl, Bartels und Rittersbusch.
>
>
>   Grüße aus dem Harzvorland
>   Klaus
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[HN] Noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis

Date: 2005/02/08 16:57:21
From: Klaus Riecken <Klaus.Riecken(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

ich fasse noch einmal zusammen in Sachen Pastoren:
Brandenburg
 
Otto Fischer, Evangelisches Pfarrerbuch für die Mark Brandenburg seit der Reformation. Berlin 1941
 
Niedersachsen Schauenburg Lippe
 

Meyer, Philipp, Die Pastoren der Landeskirche Hannover und Schauenburg - Lippe seit der Reformation, Bd. 1 + 2 1941, Bd. 3 1953

 

Schleswig-Holstein bis 1864:

Otto Fr. Arends: Gejsteligheden i Slesvig og Holsten. Fra Reformationen til 1864. I - III. 
Kbh.1932 
I: A-K 
II: L-Ø [Alfabetisk efter præsternes navne] 
III: Series Pastorum [ Opstilling efter herreder og sogne/Harde und Kirchspiel]

 

Thüringen
Bernh. Möller: Thüringer Pfarrerbuch, hrsg. v. d. Gesellschaft f.
Thüringische Kirchengeschichte; Verlag Degener, Neustadt a.d. Aisch:
1. Herzogtum Gotha, 1995
2. Fürstentum Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, 1997
3. Großherzogtum Sachsen(-Weimar-Eisenach), Landesteil Eisenach, 2000

Zum Aufbau dieser Bücher :
> Sämtliche Pastoren sind in alpfabethischer Reihenfolge 
> aufgeführt und alle bekannten Ereignisse zu einer Person 
> beschrieben. (Name, Daten, Ehefrauen, Kinder, Arbeitsorte, 
> usf.)

 

Westfalen
Fr. Wilh. Bauks: Die evangelischen Pfarrer in Westfalen von der
Reformationszeit bis 1945: Beiträge zur Westfälischen Kirchengeschichte,
Band 4; Luther-Verlag, Bielefeld 1980

Viele Grüße

Klaus Riecken

[HN] Vorfahren Franz Arnold Schröder Bremen

Date: 2005/02/08 17:23:03
From: Franz-Michael Feinen <Franz-Michael.Feinen(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

suche die Vorfahren von
SCHRÖDER, Karl Arnold
* vermutlich in Ankum ?
Kaufmann in Bremen
00 mit
BREMKEN, Maria Antoinette 

Sein Sohn war der Kaufmann
SCHRÖDER, Carl Eduard
* 15.11.1811 in Bremen
+ 11.10.1894 in Ankum
1.00 mit
WÜBBE, Maria Theresia Louisa 
* 1812 
+ 06.04.1847  in Amsterdam

Für evtl. Daten bin ich dankbar.

Mit freundlichen Grüssen aus dem Rheinland

Re: [HN] Und noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis

Date: 2005/02/08 21:43:28
From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Lieber Herr Riecken, 

Zu Braunschweig (ev.-luth.) , Oldenburg (ev. Ramsauer, Joh. und kath.
Willoh, Karl) 
hatte ich Buecher aufgefuehrt, was war an denen nicht recht ? 
Dann Hermann Stieglitz (Bearb.) , Handbuch des Bistums Osnabrueck, Hrsg.
Bischoefl. Generalvikariat Osnabrueck,
2. Aufl. 1991, Verlag Dombuecherstube Osnabrueck, ISBN 3-925 164-10-3
enthaelt auch alle Bischoefe und Pastoren mit 

Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein, Luebeck und Mecklenburg-Schwerin

Schoenen Abend noch 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz 


-----Original Message-----
> Date: Tue,  8 Feb 2005 14:44:14 +0100
> Subject: [HN] Noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis
> From: Klaus.Riecken(a)t-online.de (Klaus Riecken)
> To: "SHFamD-L" <shfamd-l(a)genealogy.net>, "Hannover -Liste"
> <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>, "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>,
> <Elberegion(a)aol.com>, <Ahnensuche-Thueringen(a)yahoogroups.de>,
> "AGGSH-L" <aggsh-l(a)genealogy.net>

> Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
> 
> ich fasse noch einmal zusammen in Sachen Pastoren:
> Brandenburg
> 
> Otto Fischer, Evangelisches Pfarrerbuch für die Mark Brandenburg seit
> der Reformation. Berlin 1941 
> Niedersachsen Schauenburg Lippe
> 
> 
> Meyer, Philipp, Die Pastoren der Landeskirche Hannover und Schauenburg
> - Lippe seit der Reformation, Bd. 1 + 2 1941, Bd. 3 1953 
> 
> 
> Schleswig-Holstein bis 1864:
> 
> Otto Fr. Arends: Gejsteligheden i Slesvig og Holsten. Fra
> Reformationen til 1864. I - III.
> Kbh.1932
> I: A-K
> II: L-Ø [Alfabetisk efter præsternes navne]
> III: Series Pastorum [ Opstilling efter herreder og sogne/Harde und
> Kirchspiel] 
> 
> 
> Thüringen
> Bernh. Möller: Thüringer Pfarrerbuch, hrsg. v. d. Gesellschaft f.
> Thüringische Kirchengeschichte; Verlag Degener, Neustadt a.d. Aisch:
> 1. Herzogtum Gotha, 1995
> 2. Fürstentum Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, 1997
> 3. Großherzogtum Sachsen(-Weimar-Eisenach), Landesteil Eisenach, 2000 
> Zum Aufbau dieser Bücher :
> 
> > Sämtliche Pastoren sind in alpfabethischer Reihenfolge
> > aufgeführt und alle bekannten Ereignisse zu einer Person
> > beschrieben. (Name, Daten, Ehefrauen, Kinder, Arbeitsorte,
> > usf.)
> 
> 
> 
> Westfalen
> Fr. Wilh. Bauks: Die evangelischen Pfarrer in Westfalen von der
> Reformationszeit bis 1945: Beiträge zur Westfälischen
> Kirchengeschichte, Band 4; Luther-Verlag, Bielefeld 1980
> 
> Viele Grüße
> 
> Klaus Riecken
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 




[HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4

Date: 2005/02/08 22:02:02
From: Lena Fellmann <lena(a)fellmannweb.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer!

Vielleicht klappt's ja auch diesmal mit der tollen Unterstützung:

Joachim Hinrich Edel heiratet 1763 in Liebenau bei Nienburg als gewesener
Corporal unter dem Schulenburgischen Regiment Nr. 4. Wo war dieses Regiment
in den Jahren zuvor?

Für Hilfe dankbar:

Lena Fellmann

lena(a)fellmannweb.de


[HN] Any ideas on this uniform?

Date: 2005/02/09 02:33:16
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

I'm trying to gather any information possible on what type of uniform is worn in the image linked below. This is a tintype which was with other family photos in my grandparents house. My guess is that it is either German or Polish and was hoping someone here might have an idea.

http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/photos/uniformed%20man%20lg.jpg

Thanks in advance.

Joel


Re: [HN] Any ideas on this uniform?

Date: 2005/02/09 03:54:23
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>


Hi Joel:

I don't have anything right off hand, but after looking at
the picture, the only symbol of any sort seems to be the
belt buckle.  Have you tried to find out if there is any
meaning to it?  Maybe someone else can answer that
question.

There was a querie, on this list, sometime ago, which
discussed uniforms and there was a web site which had
photos and an e-mail contact for people who have found new
photos of uniforms.  I can't find it in my maze of
address, but maybe someone on the list can come up with
it.

Click on the URL at the end of the inquiries:
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Select the language you want and select Hannover-L Archives, then click on Zur Archivsuche. Search for uniforms. There are 30 old inquires about uniforms.

Gale


On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:33:16 -0500
 "Joel S. Russell" <jsruss(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
I'm trying to gather any information possible on what type of uniform is worn in the image linked below. This is a tintype which was with other family photos in my grandparents house. My guess is that it is either German or Polish and was hoping someone here might have an idea.

http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/photos/uniformed%20man%20lg.jpg

Thanks in advance.

Joel

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Re: [HN] Und noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis

Date: 2005/02/09 09:47:09
From: Klaus Riecken <Klaus.Riecken(a)t-online.de>

Lieber Falk Liebezeit,

ich werde Ihren Beitrag übersehen haben und bitte um Entschuldigung.
Nachtrag erfolgt

Viele Grüße
Klaus Riecken
----- Original Message -----
From: <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Und noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis


> Lieber Herr Riecken,
>
> Zu Braunschweig (ev.-luth.) , Oldenburg (ev. Ramsauer, Joh. und kath.
> Willoh, Karl)
> hatte ich Buecher aufgefuehrt, was war an denen nicht recht ?
> Dann Hermann Stieglitz (Bearb.) , Handbuch des Bistums Osnabrueck, Hrsg.
> Bischoefl. Generalvikariat Osnabrueck,
> 2. Aufl. 1991, Verlag Dombuecherstube Osnabrueck, ISBN 3-925 164-10-3
> enthaelt auch alle Bischoefe und Pastoren mit
>
> Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein, Luebeck und Mecklenburg-Schwerin
>
> Schoenen Abend noch
>
> Falk Liebezeit
> Diepholz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> > Date: Tue,  8 Feb 2005 14:44:14 +0100
> > Subject: [HN] Noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis
> > From: Klaus.Riecken(a)t-online.de (Klaus Riecken)
> > To: "SHFamD-L" <shfamd-l(a)genealogy.net>, "Hannover -Liste"
> > <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>, "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>,
> > <Elberegion(a)aol.com>, <Ahnensuche-Thueringen(a)yahoogroups.de>,
> > "AGGSH-L" <aggsh-l(a)genealogy.net>
>
> > Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
> >
> > ich fasse noch einmal zusammen in Sachen Pastoren:
> > Brandenburg
> >
> > Otto Fischer, Evangelisches Pfarrerbuch für die Mark Brandenburg seit
> > der Reformation. Berlin 1941
> > Niedersachsen Schauenburg Lippe
> >
> >
> > Meyer, Philipp, Die Pastoren der Landeskirche Hannover und Schauenburg
> > - Lippe seit der Reformation, Bd. 1 + 2 1941, Bd. 3 1953
> >
> >
> > Schleswig-Holstein bis 1864:
> >
> > Otto Fr. Arends: Gejsteligheden i Slesvig og Holsten. Fra
> > Reformationen til 1864. I - III.
> > Kbh.1932
> > I: A-K
> > II: L-Ø [Alfabetisk efter præsternes navne]
> > III: Series Pastorum [ Opstilling efter herreder og sogne/Harde und
> > Kirchspiel]
> >
> >
> > Thüringen
> > Bernh. Möller: Thüringer Pfarrerbuch, hrsg. v. d. Gesellschaft f.
> > Thüringische Kirchengeschichte; Verlag Degener, Neustadt a.d. Aisch:
> > 1. Herzogtum Gotha, 1995
> > 2. Fürstentum Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, 1997
> > 3. Großherzogtum Sachsen(-Weimar-Eisenach), Landesteil Eisenach, 2000
> > Zum Aufbau dieser Bücher :
> >
> > > Sämtliche Pastoren sind in alpfabethischer Reihenfolge
> > > aufgeführt und alle bekannten Ereignisse zu einer Person
> > > beschrieben. (Name, Daten, Ehefrauen, Kinder, Arbeitsorte,
> > > usf.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Westfalen
> > Fr. Wilh. Bauks: Die evangelischen Pfarrer in Westfalen von der
> > Reformationszeit bis 1945: Beiträge zur Westfälischen
> > Kirchengeschichte, Band 4; Luther-Verlag, Bielefeld 1980
> >
> > Viele Grüße
> >
> > Klaus Riecken
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4

Date: 2005/02/09 10:02:28
From: Heinrich Munk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Lena, das 3. Inf.-Regiment B, Chef Alexander Jacob von der Schulenburg stand bzw. lag in Garnison 1761/62 in Hameln, Oktober/November 1762 in Kassel, 1762/63 Hann. Münden, 1763 kombiniert mit dem Regt. von Reden, dessen Standorte 1759/60 Fritzlar und Umgebung, 1761/62 Elze, Mehle, Burgstemmen bei Hildesheim, 1762/63 Wiedenbrück, 1762/63 Wunstorf, Rehburg, Neustadt, Springe, Bad Münder, Gruß Heinrich
"Lena Fellmann" <lena(a)fellmannweb.de> schrieb:
> Liebe Listenteilnehmer!
> 
> Vielleicht klappt's ja auch diesmal mit der tollen Unterstützung:
> 
> Joachim Hinrich Edel heiratet 1763 in Liebenau bei Nienburg als gewesener
> Corporal unter dem Schulenburgischen Regiment Nr. 4. Wo war dieses Regiment
> in den Jahren zuvor?
> 
> Für Hilfe dankbar:
> 
> Lena Fellmann
> 
> lena(a)fellmannweb.de
> 
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Re: Re: [HN] Und noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis

Date: 2005/02/09 10:58:21
From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Danke Herr Riecken ! 

Und bitte bei Philipp Meyer, SCHAUMBURG-Lippe (nicht Schauenburg).

Mit freundlichen Gruessen 

Falk Liebezeit,
Diepholz 

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Wed,  9 Feb 2005 09:50:06 +0100
> Subject: Re: [HN] Und noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis
> From: Klaus.Riecken(a)t-online.de (Klaus Riecken)
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>

> Lieber Falk Liebezeit,
> 
> ich werde Ihren Beitrag übersehen haben und bitte um Entschuldigung.
> Nachtrag erfolgt
> 
> Viele Grüße
> Klaus Riecken
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Und noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis
> 
> 
> > Lieber Herr Riecken,
> > 
> > Zu Braunschweig (ev.-luth.) , Oldenburg (ev. Ramsauer, Joh. und
> > kath.
> > Willoh, Karl)
> > hatte ich Buecher aufgefuehrt, was war an denen nicht recht ? Dann
> > Hermann Stieglitz (Bearb.) , Handbuch des Bistums Osnabrueck, Hrsg.
> > Bischoefl. Generalvikariat Osnabrueck,
> > 2. Aufl. 1991, Verlag Dombuecherstube Osnabrueck, ISBN 3-925
> > 164-10-3 enthaelt auch alle Bischoefe und Pastoren mit
> > 
> > Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein, Luebeck und Mecklenburg-Schwerin 
> > Schoenen Abend noch
> > 
> > Falk Liebezeit
> > Diepholz
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > > Date: Tue,  8 Feb 2005 14:44:14 +0100
> > > Subject: [HN] Noch einmal Pastoren - Literaturhinweis
> > > From: Klaus.Riecken(a)t-online.de (Klaus Riecken)
> > > To: "SHFamD-L" <shfamd-l(a)genealogy.net>, "Hannover -Liste"
> > > <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>, "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>,
> > > <Elberegion(a)aol.com>, <Ahnensuche-Thueringen(a)yahoogroups.de>,
> > > "AGGSH-L" <aggsh-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > 
> > > Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
> > > 
> > > ich fasse noch einmal zusammen in Sachen Pastoren:
> > > Brandenburg
> > > 
> > > Otto Fischer, Evangelisches Pfarrerbuch für die Mark Brandenburg
> > > seit der Reformation. Berlin 1941
> > > Niedersachsen Schauenburg Lippe
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Meyer, Philipp, Die Pastoren der Landeskirche Hannover und
> > > Schauenburg - Lippe seit der Reformation, Bd. 1 + 2 1941, Bd. 3
> > > 1953
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Schleswig-Holstein bis 1864:
> > > 
> > > Otto Fr. Arends: Gejsteligheden i Slesvig og Holsten. Fra
> > > Reformationen til 1864. I - III.
> > > Kbh.1932
> > > I: A-K
> > > II: L-Ø [Alfabetisk efter præsternes navne]
> > > III: Series Pastorum [ Opstilling efter herreder og sogne/Harde
> > > und Kirchspiel]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thüringen
> > > Bernh. Möller: Thüringer Pfarrerbuch, hrsg. v. d. Gesellschaft f.
> > > Thüringische Kirchengeschichte; Verlag Degener, Neustadt a.d.
> > > Aisch: 1. Herzogtum Gotha, 1995
> > > 2. Fürstentum Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, 1997
> > > 3. Großherzogtum Sachsen(-Weimar-Eisenach), Landesteil Eisenach,
> > > 2000 Zum Aufbau dieser Bücher :
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Sämtliche Pastoren sind in alpfabethischer Reihenfolge
> > > > aufgeführt und alle bekannten Ereignisse zu einer Person
> > > > beschrieben. (Name, Daten, Ehefrauen, Kinder, Arbeitsorte,
> > > > usf.)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Westfalen
> > > Fr. Wilh. Bauks: Die evangelischen Pfarrer in Westfalen von der
> > > Reformationszeit bis 1945: Beiträge zur Westfälischen
> > > Kirchengeschichte, Band 4; Luther-Verlag, Bielefeld 1980
> > > 
> > > Viele Grüße
> > > 
> > > Klaus Riecken
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[HN] Ahnennachweis über Erbsubstanz

Date: 2005/02/09 11:00:48
From: Wilfried Doll <1951wido(a)schlundmail.de>

Nochmal etwas zum genetischen Vererbungsnachweis, nachdem ich den unten
angeführten Text bekam.

Aussage eines mir gut bekannten Biologen:
Prinzipiell stimmt das - das Y-Chromosom wird immer vom Vater auf den Sohn
übertragen. So gesehen, sollten Männer (nicht unbedingt mit dem gleichen
Familiennamen), die identische Y-Chromosomen tragen, auch miteinander
verwandt sein. Wie genau die Analysemethode eine Identität zweier
Y-Chromosomen nachweisen kann, weiß ich nicht, das könnte aber schon
ziemlich sicher sein. Bei den Müttern untersucht man die mitochondriale DNA.
Die Mitochondrien werden nämlich (fast) ausschließlich über die Eizellen
weiter gegeben.

mit freundlichen Grüßen
Wilfried (Doll)

>Jeder Sohn erbt von seinem Vater das Y-Chromosom unvermischt mit
mütterlichen Genen, d.h. bis auf wenige sog. Punktmutationen praktisch
unverändert. Zwei männliche Träger desselben FN >haben also einen
identischen Ur-Vater (der 10, 20 Generationen zurückliegen kann!), wenn ihre
Y-Chromosomen identisch sind. Dies lässt sich mit modernen biochemischen
Methoden anhand >eines Speicheltests untersuchen. Ich fange dies gerade an
und habe bei den ersten 2 getesteten Linien schon eine positive
Erfolgsmeldung! Den Test bietet z.B. die Firma GEN by GEN ("Genealogie
>durch
>Genetik") bei Göttingen an (www.genbygen.de). Knapp 200 EUR pro Test (mit
>Mengenrabatten) sind zwar nicht ganz wenig, aber das Wissen um die
Verwandtschaft spornt alle an, die Linienverknüpfungen dann wirklich
aufzudecken. Zugegebenermaßen ist dies besonders >dann erfolgversprechend,
wenn der FN selten ist, d.h. z.B. deutlich unter 1000 bundesweite
Telefoneinträge aufweist, und alle Vertreter aus derselben Gegend stammen



AW: [HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4

Date: 2005/02/09 12:36:23
From: Reiner Stephany <r.stephany(a)simplion.de>

Hallo, Heinrich:
Kann ich erfahren, was es für "Dragoner" 1734 in Schulenburg gegeben
hat? Einer von ihnen taucht nämlich - ohne Namen, versteht sich ... - in
meinem Stammbaum auf!
Vielen Dank,
Reiner.

Reiner Stephany
Kiebitzweg 28
59071 Hamm
Tel.: 02381 84972


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 10:02
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4


Hallo Lena, das 3. Inf.-Regiment B, Chef Alexander Jacob von der
Schulenburg stand bzw. lag in Garnison 1761/62 in Hameln,
Oktober/November 1762 in Kassel, 1762/63 Hann. Münden, 1763 kombiniert
mit dem Regt. von Reden, dessen Standorte 1759/60 Fritzlar und Umgebung,
1761/62 Elze, Mehle, Burgstemmen bei Hildesheim, 1762/63 Wiedenbrück,
1762/63 Wunstorf, Rehburg, Neustadt, Springe, Bad Münder, Gruß Heinrich
"Lena Fellmann" <lena(a)fellmannweb.de> schrieb:
> Liebe Listenteilnehmer!
> 
> Vielleicht klappt's ja auch diesmal mit der tollen Unterstützung:
> 
> Joachim Hinrich Edel heiratet 1763 in Liebenau bei Nienburg als
gewesener
> Corporal unter dem Schulenburgischen Regiment Nr. 4. Wo war dieses
Regiment
> in den Jahren zuvor?
> 
> Für Hilfe dankbar:
> 
> Lena Fellmann
> 
> lena(a)fellmannweb.de
> 
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[HN] Military Uniforms

Date: 2005/02/09 13:29:34
From: jmbtwb <jmbtwb(a)isd.net>

The following is an excellent website for German Uniforms. Tony, the owner of the website is as exceptionally knowledgeable on German uniforms. My suggestion is to send him as high a resolution scan of your photo as possible for identification and if you have the capability, even do a little photo enhancing on the scanned image. The better the photo the more detailed description he might be able to provide. He might even be able to identify, for example, the cuffs of the uniform and any braiding on the collar. If it might be Polish, ask him if he knows of anyone the would specialilze in Polish uniforms.

http://www.kaisersbunker.com

Good Luck!

Joanne Becker
St. Michael, MN



[HN] Vortrag ueber die "Mormonen" am 12 Febr. in Osnabrueck

Date: 2005/02/09 15:53:03
From: Falk Liebezeit <Falk.Liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

Lieber Michael, 

Am 24. November ist unsere neueste Archiv-Veroeffentlichung fertig geworden, die Diepholzer und Willenberger Familien 1751 bis 1800, 
Euro 12,50 ist der Preis

Ich wuensche Eurer Veranstaltung viel Erfolg, 
gern waere ich selbst gekommen, muss aber erst noch ein paar 
Forschungen fertigmachen.

Kannst Du bitte Marion Wolfert von mir gruessen, 
sie moechte mir bitte unter FalkLiebe(a)t-online mailen, wie wir den neuen Band nach SLC bekommen oder wenigstens die Word-Datei. 

Wir werden uns wohl spaetestens in Hannover beim Genealogentag
treffen, vom Verband deutschsprachiger Berufsgenealogen http.//www.berufsgenealogie.net machen wir da einen Stand, 
nicht nur einen one-night-stand. 

Herzliche Gruesse 

Falk Liebezeit
http://www.falk-liebezeit.de 

>>> ortmann(a)osfa.de 02/07 11:27  >>>
Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
ich möchte sie hinweisen auf einen Vortrag am kommenden Samstag in 
Osnabrück, der von überregionalem Interesse ist:

Vortrag vor dem Arbeitskreis Familienforschung Osnabrück
am 12. Februar 2005 um 14.00 Uhr im Landhaus Mehring,
Iburgerstr. 240 in Osnabrück

Marion Wolfert, Salt Lake City (Utah, USA):
"Wie finde ich meine ausgewanderten Verwandten und deren Nachfahren 
in den USA?"

Marion Wolfert arbeitet seit über 20 Jahren am Family History Center 
der Mormonen in Salt Lake City.  Im ersten Teil ihres Vortrag stellt 
sie das Family History Center mit seinen, auch über das Internet 
zugänglichen Forschungsmöglichkeiten vor.
Danach erläutert die Referentin, wie man an Hand spezifischer 
Quellen, wie US Census, Vital Records, Social Security Index seine 
ausgewanderten Verwandten und deren US-Nachkommen finden kann.

Im Anschluß an den Vortrag beantwortet Frau Wolfert Fragen.

Eine Anfahrtsbeschreibung findet sich auf www.osfa.de unter Termine.

Ich denke, der Vortrag ist eine seltene Gelegenheit, quasi aus erster 
Hand über die Arbeit des Family History Center informiert zu werden.


Freundliche Grüße
Michael Ortmann
Arbeitskreis Familienforschung Osnabrück


[HN] RENZIEHAUSEN aus Eisdorf im Harz

Date: 2005/02/09 17:12:30
From: Christine Marr Mast <marrmast(a)freesurf.ch>

Liebe Listies, 

Ich suche nach Vorfahren aus Eisdorf/ Harz. Es handelt sich um 
Friedrich Andreas Renziehausen oo Anna Christina Vogt .
Ihre Söhne Andreas Friedrich und 
Hinrich Friedrich *1822 Maurergeselle ( im Fremdenbuch  HH erwähnt)
sind nach Harburg b.Hamburg gezogen , die Nachfahren dort sind bekannt.
Meine Frage , wo finde ich die Kirchenbücher von Eisdorf / Harz ? Ich hatte mir über die Mormonen Eisdorf KBs bestellt, es ist aber leider das falsche Eisdorf,nämlich bei Teutschenthal.
Zu dem von mir gesuchten Eisdorf b. Osterode konnte ich bei den Mormonen leider nichts entdecken.
Wer hat eine Hinweis? 
mit lieben Dank aus der Schweiz
Christine (Marr Mast)

Ausserdem auf der Suche nach allen Namensträgern Lenffer/ Lentfer- sie stammen aus Schleswig Holstein.

Ich suche auch nach meinen Obergrosseltern :
N.N. Vaupel  oo Anne Catherine Faupelin, Wittib, s.g. im Testament ihres Sohnes 1753 
( das habe ich in einer Verfilmung aus Gerichtsakten ausgegraben, Jujuh!)
Ihr Sohn Nicolaus Vaupel, geb. ca 1726  hat sich später in Allendorf/Sooden niedergelassen und wird als Trompeter bezeichnet. Ich suche nach seinem Herkunftsort.

Ungeklärt ist auch noch immer die Herkunft meines Obervaters Johann Andreas Pfarre, geb. err. 1732, er soll aus Bünnestein stammen ( den Ort konnte ich bis heute nicht finden). Er hat sich als Nagel-u. Hufschmied erst in Bodenfelde und dann in Holzminden niedergelassen. 




Re: AW: [HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4

Date: 2005/02/09 17:56:12
From: Heinrich Munk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Reiner, leider habe ich keine Stammlister der Regimenter, meinst Du den Ort Schulenburg oder das Regiment? Heinrich
"Reiner Stephany" <r.stephany(a)simplion.de> schrieb:
> Hallo, Heinrich:
> Kann ich erfahren, was es für "Dragoner" 1734 in Schulenburg gegeben
> hat? Einer von ihnen taucht nämlich - ohne Namen, versteht sich ... - in
> meinem Stammbaum auf!
> Vielen Dank,
> Reiner.
> 
> Reiner Stephany
> Kiebitzweg 28
> 59071 Hamm
> Tel.: 02381 84972
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 10:02
> An: Hannover-L
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4
> 
> 
> Hallo Lena, das 3. Inf.-Regiment B, Chef Alexander Jacob von der
> Schulenburg stand bzw. lag in Garnison 1761/62 in Hameln,
> Oktober/November 1762 in Kassel, 1762/63 Hann. Münden, 1763 kombiniert
> mit dem Regt. von Reden, dessen Standorte 1759/60 Fritzlar und Umgebung,
> 1761/62 Elze, Mehle, Burgstemmen bei Hildesheim, 1762/63 Wiedenbrück,
> 1762/63 Wunstorf, Rehburg, Neustadt, Springe, Bad Münder, Gruß Heinrich
> "Lena Fellmann" <lena(a)fellmannweb.de> schrieb:
> > Liebe Listenteilnehmer!
> > 
> > Vielleicht klappt's ja auch diesmal mit der tollen Unterstützung:
> > 
> > Joachim Hinrich Edel heiratet 1763 in Liebenau bei Nienburg als
> gewesener
> > Corporal unter dem Schulenburgischen Regiment Nr. 4. Wo war dieses
> Regiment
> > in den Jahren zuvor?
> > 
> > Für Hilfe dankbar:
> > 
> > Lena Fellmann
> > 
> > lena(a)fellmannweb.de
> > 
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AW: AW: [HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4

Date: 2005/02/09 19:18:14
From: Reiner Stephany <r.stephany(a)simplion.de>

Hallo, Heinrich:
Danke für Deine Antwort. Ich meine den Ort Schulenburg. Wenn Du mal was
erfährst, wäre ich Dir für eine Mitteilung dankbar.
Reiner.

Reiner Stephany
Kiebitzweg 28
59071 Hamm
Tel.: 02381 84972


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces+r.stephany=simplion.de(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces+r.stephany=simplion.de(a)genealogy.net] Im
Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 17:55
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: AW: [HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4


Hallo Reiner, leider habe ich keine Stammlister der Regimenter, meinst
Du den Ort Schulenburg oder das Regiment? Heinrich
"Reiner Stephany" <r.stephany(a)simplion.de> schrieb:
> Hallo, Heinrich:
> Kann ich erfahren, was es für "Dragoner" 1734 in Schulenburg gegeben
> hat? Einer von ihnen taucht nämlich - ohne Namen, versteht sich ... -
in
> meinem Stammbaum auf!
> Vielen Dank,
> Reiner.
> 
> Reiner Stephany
> Kiebitzweg 28
> 59071 Hamm
> Tel.: 02381 84972
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Februar 2005 10:02
> An: Hannover-L
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Schulenburgisches Regiment Nr. 4
> 
> 
> Hallo Lena, das 3. Inf.-Regiment B, Chef Alexander Jacob von der
> Schulenburg stand bzw. lag in Garnison 1761/62 in Hameln,
> Oktober/November 1762 in Kassel, 1762/63 Hann. Münden, 1763 kombiniert
> mit dem Regt. von Reden, dessen Standorte 1759/60 Fritzlar und
Umgebung,
> 1761/62 Elze, Mehle, Burgstemmen bei Hildesheim, 1762/63 Wiedenbrück,
> 1762/63 Wunstorf, Rehburg, Neustadt, Springe, Bad Münder, Gruß
Heinrich
> "Lena Fellmann" <lena(a)fellmannweb.de> schrieb:
> > Liebe Listenteilnehmer!
> > 
> > Vielleicht klappt's ja auch diesmal mit der tollen Unterstützung:
> > 
> > Joachim Hinrich Edel heiratet 1763 in Liebenau bei Nienburg als
> gewesener
> > Corporal unter dem Schulenburgischen Regiment Nr. 4. Wo war dieses
> Regiment
> > in den Jahren zuvor?
> > 
> > Für Hilfe dankbar:
> > 
> > Lena Fellmann
> > 
> > lena(a)fellmannweb.de
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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[HN] Neuvorstellung Sven Stuffrein

Date: 2005/02/09 23:09:33
From: Sven Stuffrein <stuffrein(a)web.de>

Hallo liebe Listen-Teilnehmer,

ich habe mich gestern in der Hannover-Liste registriert und möchte kurz meine Forschungsgebiete vorstellen.

Ich forsche im 19. und 18. Jhdt.  im Umkreis Hannover, vor allem in Wolfenbüttel und Braunschweig nach den Familien 

REINECKE, BOKELMANN, PRAETORIUS, BETHMANN, WACKERHAGEN, HASSEL ..........

..... in der Stadt Springe nach den Familien SCHWIEGER, SCHAPER, DÜNTHE und KALLMEYER .........

und in der Stadt Sarstedt nach den Familien WALTERS´, SCHRAMER, ZAHN und KLUM

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Ein "toter Punkt" in meiner Ahnenreihe sind die Eltern von Anna Regina STOCK  (* 17.08.1803 in Lüchow + 19.12.1871 Seesen) :
Der Vater war Oberamtman STOCK  oo  Marie geb. DRÖGE (* ??? + ???)

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Vieleicht ist der  ein oder andere Name in Euren Unterlagen schon einmal aufgetaucht  ?! 

Ich freue mich über jede Antwort!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Sven Stuffrein






[HN] Stuckwisch families

Date: 2005/02/10 01:14:19
From: jerry <malbergen(a)yahoo.com>

Hallo,  

I am looking for Frederick K Stuckwish born about 
1794-96. born  "Hannover"
His wife was Louisa,born abt 1799
The children born in "Hannover" were:
Johann Heinrich(John Henry)  abt 1831
Frederick K. abt 1835
Rudolph   abt 1835
William   abt 1838
Anna      abt 1839
Louisa    abt 1843
As they settled in Indiana next to Stuckwischs from
Venne I thought they were from there but genealogist
Udo Thoerner said they were not.
Also Werner Honkomp stated they did not appear to be
from the Oldenburg area.
I contacted the Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv in
Osnabrück who informed me that the family apparently
were not part of "legal emigration"

They suggested I try the guestbook of www. osfa. de,
the Familienforschung society of Osnabrück. They also
suggested that Falk Liebezeit could help.  I have
tried the address they provided but have not got an
answer. I see from recent posting on this site he has
a different e-mail.  I will forward a copy to him.

I appreciate any help you might give.

Sincerely,  Jerome Mindrup



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Re: [HN] Stuckwisch families

Date: 2005/02/10 04:33:38
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Jerry,

      The Osnabrück emigration archives list Stuckwischs from Venne,
Ostercappeln, and Belm.

      The LDS site lists Stuckwisch from Venne, Badbergen,  and Niewedde.

       If you run a search on the German telephone book, you will find a
number of persons by the name of Stuckwisch living today in that same
general area.  You could try contacting someone there about your family.

     Stuckwisch is not a common name--so you could look at LDS film for many
of the towns in that area.  That would take a lot of time -- that is the
older and harder way to find ancestors.  Without any other clues, I don't
see any other obvious way online to find your ancestors.  Sorry!

Barbara 






on 2/9/05 5:14 PM, jerry at malbergen(a)yahoo.com wrote:

> Stuckwish


[HN] Jörens Maenberg

Date: 2005/02/10 10:38:09
From: Erika Giftge <Giftge(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

In meinen Unterlagen gibt es einen Heinrich Jörens aus Maenberg oder Maenburg, vermutlich in der Nähe von Eutzen. Ich habe dort nur einen Ort Mahnburg gefunden, gibt es andere Interpretationen?

Erika

[HN] Eutzen - Heine; Wunderbüttel - Schulze ; Lüthen, außerdem Lüthen, Diekmanns Ni ebuhr und Drewes

Date: 2005/02/10 10:44:45
From: Erika Giftge <Giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hi,
in meiner Ahnenliste kommen die Familien Heine aus Eutzen/ Knesebeck und Schulze aus Wunderbüttel vor. (angeheiratet finde ich die Namen Lüthen, Diekmanns, Niebuhr und Drewes. ) Hat zufällig jemand aus der Liste auch eine Verbindung zu diesen Familien? Erika

Re: [HN] Stuckwisch families

Date: 2005/02/10 11:36:22
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Here the Stuckwisch addresses of Venne, as part of Ostercappeln:

Stuckwisch, Frank
  Schwarzer Moorweg 1
  49179 Ostercappeln

Stuckwisch, Friedel
  Schwarzer Moorweg 1
  49179 Ostercappeln

Stuckwisch, Gerd-Jürgen
  Engterstr. 12
  49179 Ostercappeln

Stuckwisch, Günter
  Lutterdamm 39
  49179 Ostercappeln

Stuckwisch, Gustav
  Lutterdamm 43
  49179 Ostercappeln

Stuckwisch, Ralf
  Immenkamp 11
  49179 Ostercappeln

Stuckwisch, Wilfried
  Immenkamp 11
  49179 Ostercappeln

The last address is real in Venne, the other a little outside to north.
Werner


> Hallo,

> I am looking for Frederick K Stuckwish born about
> 1794-96. born  "Hannover"
> His wife was Louisa,born abt 1799
> The children born in "Hannover" were:
> Johann Heinrich(John Henry)  abt 1831
> Frederick K. abt 1835
> Rudolph   abt 1835
> William   abt 1838
> Anna      abt 1839
> Louisa    abt 1843
> As they settled in Indiana next to Stuckwischs from
> Venne I thought they were from there but genealogist
> Udo Thoerner said they were not.
> Also Werner Honkomp stated they did not appear to be
> from the Oldenburg area.
> I contacted the Niedersächsisches Staatsarchiv in
> Osnabrück who informed me that the family apparently
> were not part of "legal emigration"

> They suggested I try the guestbook of www. osfa. de,
> the Familienforschung society of Osnabrück. They also
> suggested that Falk Liebezeit could help.  I have
> tried the address they provided but have not got an
> answer. I see from recent posting on this site he has
> a different e-mail.  I will forward a copy to him.

> I appreciate any help you might give.

> Sincerely,  Jerome Mindrup



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Re: [HN] Any ideas on this uniform?

Date: 2005/02/10 12:15:21
From: MyGenWeb <MyGenWeb(a)aol.com>

Here is a uniform of a Carpathian Lancer. I don't know if this will help or  
not.
 
Rachel

Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung Sven Stuffrein

Date: 2005/02/10 14:27:56
From: Jens Hofstaedt <j.hofstaedt(a)tiscali.de>

Hallo Sven,

ich forsche in Hannover nach Keitel, im Raum Wolfsburg (Almke, Neindorf,
Grasleben) nach Reinecke, Sehelke, Bölsche, Krone, sowie im Raum Elze bei
Gronau nach Brüning, Sievers und Fromme.

Gruß

Jens (Hofstaedt)



[HN] KOHL 1842

Date: 2005/02/10 15:25:52
From: Jane Hasenbeck <jane.hasenbeck(a)gmx.net>

Liebe Listenmitglider,
Ich Suche: Carl order Karl Kohl geb. 1842 in Hannover, mehr weiss ich nicht, ausser das er eine Joanna aus Hamburg geb.1814 geheiratet und in 1870, augwandert von Hamburg nach England. Ich wurde so gerne etwas über diese beiden Wissen. Weiss eine/einer von die liste etwas uber Sie?.

MfG

Jane

[HN] ship Johanne

Date: 2005/02/10 17:31:14
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

The emigrant ship Johanne ran aground with 216 passengers and the thirteen-headed crew on November 6th, 1854 in front of the German North Sea island of Spiekeroog. 77 emigrants drowned.
The destination of the three mast barque Johanne was Baltimore at the American East coast and came from Bremen.

The passengers got by almost from Württemberg, low Bavarians and south Hessians.
The municipality of Kaufing in Hesse has attached a plaque for the citizens being from Kaufing on the cemetery of Spiekeroog: Anna Elisabeth Friedrich, April born 14th, 1811, August Jacob Friedrich, April born 23rd, 1838, Carl Wilhelm Friedrich, May born 17th, 1842, Marie Elisabeth Vollmer, December born 7th, 1837, Friedrich Vollmer, December born 13th, 1839, August Vollmer, January born 11th, 1842, Anna Elisabeth Vollmer, March born 20th, 1847.

See also: www.spiekeroog.de

Werner Honkomp

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Werner Honkomp                  werner(a)honkomp.de
Ziegelhofstr. 35b               www.honkomp-oldenburg.de
26121 Oldenburg                 Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0441-883499


[HN] Namen: Hüsing, Hahnenfeld, Eggers, Wetchen, Lüers oder Lührs (alle Nähe Lee ste)

Date: 2005/02/11 07:00:18
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>



Hallo,
hier sind ein paar neue Namen aus meiner Familienkartei: Hüsing, Eggers, Hahnenfeld, Wetchen, Lüers (von der Heiden), alle im Bereich Leeste, Melchiorshausen, Sudweyhe. Kommt das jemandem bekannt vor? Ich habe Dokumente der direkten Linie. Erika

[HN] Link zu Familiennamen: Rehbein und Stelzer usw.

Date: 2005/02/11 10:05:00
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo in die Listen,

hier wieder ein neuer Artikel in der "Welt" zur Entstehung der Familiennamen:

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/02/11/461680.html

Mit freundlichem Gruss

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672 Verein Computergenealogie

[HN] Ringe in Hameln -Garnisonskirchenbuch-

Date: 2005/02/11 10:12:44
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Frau Busse,
Anton Heinrich Gottlieb Ringe wurde am 24.4.1799 in Hameln
getauft, Paten Anton Bernhard Bode und Heinrich August Behr.

Seine Eltern haben am 3.12.1797 in Hameln geheiratet.

Joh. Carl Ludwig Ringe und Catharine Caroline Elisabeth
Sürsen, Suerßen aus Holtensen.

Er heiratet am 3.1.1785 als Garnisonssoldat und Invalide
(*1728, + 8.4.1808)
Anna Catharina Gerke,  *Hameln 1749, 5.4.1797.

Sie heiratet in 1. Ehe  am 18.6.1775 Joh. Hrch. Christo.
Hölscher, gewesener Tambour  Rgt. Von Wangenheim  * Hameln
1749 + 5.4.1797, 2 Kinder

Quelle: Garnisonskirchenbuch der Stadt Hameln 1775 bis 1852.

Ich hoffe, ich habe somit Ihren lange Jahre gesuchten
Gottlieb Ringe nachweisen können.


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Re: [HN] Namen: Hüsing, Hahnenfeld, Eggers, We tchen, Lüers oder Lührs (alle Nähe Leeste)

Date: 2005/02/11 13:50:36
From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr(a)rollanet.org>

Hallo

I have data re Eggers from Bockenem.

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:59 PM
Subject: [HN] Namen: Hüsing, Hahnenfeld, Eggers, Wetchen, Lüers oder Lührs
(alle Nähe Leeste)


>
>
> Hallo,
> hier sind ein paar neue Namen aus meiner Familienkartei: Hüsing, Eggers,
> Hahnenfeld, Wetchen, Lüers (von der Heiden), alle im Bereich Leeste,
> Melchiorshausen, Sudweyhe. Kommt das jemandem bekannt vor? Ich habe
> Dokumente der direkten Linie.
> Erika
>
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Re: [HN] Namen: Hüsing, Hahnenfeld, Eggers, We tchen, Lüers oder Lührs (alle Nähe Leeste)

Date: 2005/02/11 14:14:42
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>

Bob,
Eggers is a pretty widespread name in Northern Germany, I doubt that there is a relationship. Around the 1800s the people usually married pretty much locally.
I loved the Ozarks and it's wine when I visited a few years ago.
Erika

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr(a)rollanet.org>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Namen: Hüsing, Hahnenfeld, Eggers, Wetchen, Lüers oder Lührs (alle Nähe Leeste)


Hallo

I have data re Eggers from Bockenem.

Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks



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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:59 PM
Subject: [HN] Namen: Hüsing, Hahnenfeld, Eggers, Wetchen, Lüers oder Lührs
(alle Nähe Leeste)




Hallo,
hier sind ein paar neue Namen aus meiner Familienkartei: Hüsing, Eggers,
Hahnenfeld, Wetchen, Lüers (von der Heiden), alle im Bereich Leeste,
Melchiorshausen, Sudweyhe. Kommt das jemandem bekannt vor? Ich habe
Dokumente der direkten Linie.
Erika

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Re: [HN] RENZIEHAUSEN aus Eisdorf im Harz

Date: 2005/02/12 01:04:54
From: Karlo Vegelahn <340007848763-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo schauen Sie mal bei meinem Kollegen, Herrn Zeisberg
http://www.zeisberg-laudert.de
er hat sehr viel Unterklagen über Förste, Eisdorf, Osterode, Südniedersachsen

Viele Grüße

Archiv & Bibliothek
Karlo Vegelahn

http://www.archiv-vegelahn.de


"Christine Marr Mast" <marrmast(a)freesurf.ch> schrieb:
> Liebe Listies, 
> 
> Ich suche nach Vorfahren aus Eisdorf/ Harz. Es handelt sich um 
> Friedrich Andreas Renziehausen oo Anna Christina Vogt .
> Ihre Söhne Andreas Friedrich und 
> Hinrich Friedrich *1822 Maurergeselle ( im Fremdenbuch  HH erwähnt)
> sind nach Harburg b.Hamburg gezogen , die Nachfahren dort sind bekannt.
> Meine Frage , wo finde ich die Kirchenbücher von Eisdorf / Harz ? Ich hatte mir über die Mormonen Eisdorf KBs bestellt, es ist aber leider das falsche Eisdorf,nämlich bei Teutschenthal.
> Zu dem von mir gesuchten Eisdorf b. Osterode konnte ich bei den Mormonen leider nichts entdecken.
> Wer hat eine Hinweis? 
> mit lieben Dank aus der Schweiz
> Christine (Marr Mast)
> 
> Ausserdem auf der Suche nach allen Namensträgern Lenffer/ Lentfer- sie stammen aus Schleswig Holstein.
> 
> Ich suche auch nach meinen Obergrosseltern :
> N.N. Vaupel  oo Anne Catherine Faupelin, Wittib, s.g. im Testament ihres Sohnes 1753 
> ( das habe ich in einer Verfilmung aus Gerichtsakten ausgegraben, Jujuh!)
> Ihr Sohn Nicolaus Vaupel, geb. ca 1726  hat sich später in Allendorf/Sooden niedergelassen und wird als Trompeter bezeichnet. Ich suche nach seinem Herkunftsort.
> 
> Ungeklärt ist auch noch immer die Herkunft meines Obervaters Johann Andreas Pfarre, geb. err. 1732, er soll aus Bünnestein stammen ( den Ort konnte ich bis heute nicht finden). Er hat sich als Nagel-u. Hufschmied erst in Bodenfelde und dann in Holzminden niedergelassen. 
> 
> 
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[HN] Familienforschung Hagemann Raum Winzenburg-Everode

Date: 2005/02/12 14:40:03
From: Hagemann2702 <Hagemann2702(a)aol.com>

Guten Tag,
 
 
ich suche nach allen Vorkommen der Familie Hagemann im Bereich  
Hildsheim-Hannover-Göttingen, nut dem Kerngebiet Winzenburg.
 
Freue mich auf viele Kontakte
Uwe  Hagemann

[HN] Elizabeth Carpenter and Ken Thompson

Date: 2005/02/12 19:06:58
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Hi,

I live nearby.

Normandy.

Barbie



Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County

Date: 2005/02/12 19:14:09
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Hiya,

What is interesting about Randolph County Illinois...is that there is a little town called New Hannover in the area. :)

I have some distant ancestors Huetsch + Feldhaus who lived in Redbud.

Barbie



RE: [HN] Any ideas on this uniform?

Date: 2005/02/12 19:19:08
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Joel,

No expert. Just a guess. To me your ancestor looks Russian.



Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County

Date: 2005/02/12 19:50:40
From: DKnoepfel <DKnoepfel(a)aol.com>

Hello Barbie -

My Degener family from Hannover emigrated to Cook, DuPage and Kankakee 
counties and some of their Degener cousins lived in Redbud.

Don Knoepfel

Re: [HN] Elizabeth Carpenter and Ken Thompson

Date: 2005/02/12 22:56:44
From: Elizabeth Carpenter <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>

That's neat!  Maybe we will meet some day.
Betty in Berkeley

Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

I live nearby.

Normandy.

Barbie


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Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County

Date: 2005/02/12 22:58:28
From: Elizabeth Carpenter <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>

Hi Barbie,
 
I grew up in Randolph Co., Ruma which is south of Red Bud, down Route 3.  I remember the name Huetsch.  I have a relative living in New Hannover.
Betty in St. Louis

Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Hiya,

What is interesting about Randolph County Illinois...is that there is a 
little town called New Hannover in the area. :)

I have some distant ancestors Huetsch + Feldhaus who lived in Redbud.

Barbie


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Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County

Date: 2005/02/12 23:15:23
From: Gary Stoltman <stopan(a)optonline.net>

Hi Barbie:

FYI
There was/is a New Hannover in Missouri in St. Charles Co. or Warrenton.
There's a New Melle in St. Charles.

Gary Stoltman
Mercerville, NJ

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To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County


>
> Hiya,
>
> What is interesting about Randolph County Illinois...is that there is a
> little town called New Hannover in the area. :)
>
> I have some distant ancestors Huetsch + Feldhaus who lived in Redbud.
>
> Barbie
>
>
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Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County

Date: 2005/02/12 23:15:59
From: Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)msn.com>

Betty in St. Louis
Are you looking for ancestors in Hanover Germany? Is New Hannover a town in Illinois? I am looking for Julius Burgdorf born in Hildesheim in Hanover. Do you have experience in searching German records for ancestors? I just started and am going nowhere. I was born in New Orleans but now live in Chesterfield Mo. 
Max
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: Hannover-L<mailto:hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> 
  Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County


  Hi Barbie,
   
  I grew up in Randolph Co., Ruma which is south of Red Bud, down Route 3.  I remember the name Huetsch.  I have a relative living in New Hannover.
  Betty in St. Louis

  Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com<mailto:barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>> wrote:

  Hiya,

  What is interesting about Randolph County Illinois...is that there is a 
  little town called New Hannover in the area. :)

  I have some distant ancestors Huetsch + Feldhaus who lived in Redbud.

  Barbie


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Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County

Date: 2005/02/13 00:01:45
From: Elizabeth Carpenter <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>

Hello Max,
 
At this point, I believe that my gggrandfather Henry Hess was born in Hannover.  Have not found a village yet.  But Henry Hess in Hannover is like John Smith in Missouri.  I have a copy of a Naturalization Document that I believe is his and it says he was from Hannover.  Of course, things that seem correct sometimes become incorrect.  I am currently trying to establish some concrete proof of the Hannover info.  So I am not searching Hannover right now.
 
Sorry, I just looked at the map and I am mixing up New Hannover with New Baden.
 
There is a Hannover or New Hannover in southern Illinois.  Right now I don't see it on the map.  It might be too small a town to be listed on the map.
 
There are Burgdorfs living in Red Bud, Randolph County, Illinois.  Red Bud is down Route 3 which runs right along the river.
 
I suggest you go to Rootsweb.com and look at their mailing lists.  They have them for surname, localities and countries.  There is one for Hannover, Germany.  You might find someone else searching your name.  
 
I did that last summer and professional researchers contacted me through the lists.  I ended up going to Germany and met these three men who helped me search.  They had done some preliminary work and knew where to look.  I hired them to help me.  I was with a daughter who had studied German last summer and that was a big help in our searching.  I found actural relatives there.
 
The lists are a great way to go.  When you send an e-mail to the list, everyone on that list gets your e-mail.  Therefore, you get help from many people.
 
I have a son who lives in Chesterfield.
 
Good luck,
 
Betty in St. Louis

Max Burgdorf <pharmaxx(a)msn.com> wrote:
Betty in St. Louis
Are you looking for ancestors in Hanover Germany? Is New Hannover a town in Illinois? I am looking for Julius Burgdorf born in Hildesheim in Hanover. Do you have experience in searching German records for ancestors? I just started and am going nowhere. I was born in New Orleans but now live in Chesterfield Mo. 
Max
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Elizabeth Carpenter 
To: Hannover-L 
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Illinois Randolf County


Hi Barbie,

I grew up in Randolph Co., Ruma which is south of Red Bud, down Route 3. I remember the name Huetsch. I have a relative living in New Hannover.
Betty in St. Louis

Cactus Flower > wrote:

Hiya,

What is interesting about Randolph County Illinois...is that there is a 
little town called New Hannover in the area. :)

I have some distant ancestors Huetsch + Feldhaus who lived in Redbud.

Barbie


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[HN] Ständige Suche nach... (fwd)

Date: 2005/02/13 08:54:15
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>

---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
To: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Ständige Suche nach...



         Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

         aus dem Raum Hameln - Bodenwerder - Holzminden suche ich die Namen

         Kunze,  Verwohl,  Bartels und Rittersbusch.


         Grüße aus dem Harzvorland
         Klaus
------

[HN] Ständige Suche nach... (fwd)

Date: 2005/02/13 08:55:16
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>

---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
To: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Ständige Suche nach...



         Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

         aus dem Raum Hameln - Bodenwerder - Holzminden suche ich die Namen

         Kunze,  Verwohl,  Bartels und Rittersbusch.


         Grüße aus dem Harzvorland
         Klaus
------

[HN] Ständige Suche nach... (fwd)

Date: 2005/02/13 14:38:49
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>


Message: 11
Date: 13 Feb 2005 07:54 GMT
From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
Subject: [HN] Ständige Suche nach... (fwd)
To: "Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: FamNord <famnord(a)genealogy.net>
Message-ID: <1D0EZr-1OOeiO0(a)fwd11.sul.t-online.com>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1"

---Ursprüngliche Nachricht---
From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
To: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Ständige Suche nach...



        Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

        aus dem Raum Hameln - Bodenwerder - Holzminden suche ich die Namen

        Kunze,  Verwohl,  Bartels und Rittersbusch.


        Grüße aus dem Harzvorland
        Klaus
------
Hello Klaus,
No year is mentioned in this request. Currently, I am looking at a very long film which includes my area of interest 1810-1815 of Steinlah/Haverlah parish in Westphalia. This film includes 1792 onward of all the Communities in the Canton of Salzgitter, etc. The names you mention are also in this film in various communities of the Canton(s). Rena in England

[HN] Neuvorstellung WEDEKIND u.a.

Date: 2005/02/13 19:04:16
From: Iris Wohlfeil <iris.wohlfeil(a)surfeu.de>

Hallo liebe Mitforscher/innen,

heute möchte ich mich gerne bei euch vorstellen.

Ich heiße Iris Wohlfeil und komme aus Baden-Württemberg.
Seit einiger Zeit forsche ich vor allem im Bereich Württemberg und Hinterpommern.
Aber wie das so ist, eine meiner Linien führt mich in den Raum Hannover,
und ich erhoffe mir daher von euch Hinweise zu folgenden Personen/Namen.

Folgende Daten kann ich anbieten:

WEDEKIND, Josef Adolf,
geb. 27.05.1882 Hildesheim, gest. 28.07.1943 Hamburg

Ehefrau (Eheschließung vor 1906):
RÖHR, Wilhelmine Ernestine Amalie
geb. 28.05.1881 Hildesheim, gest. 28.07.1943 Hamburg

Eltern:

WEDEKIND, Friedrich Ludolf und
MEYER, Maria
beide vermtl. aus Hildesheim/Umgebung

RÖHR, Theodor Justus August und
FÖSING, Caroline, Ernestine, Wilhelmine, Amalie
beide vermtl. aus Hildesheim/Umgebung

Soviel für heute
Viele Grüße
Iris Wohlfeil





[HN] gesucht: Reihard Freytag

Date: 2005/02/13 19:05:53
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Reihard Freytag,

früher hatte wir über Niedersachsen Kontakt, leider stimmt Deine E-Mail-Anschrift nicht mehr.


Reihard Freytag" <Reihard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Solltest Du noch Interesse haben, teile mir und der Gruppe Niedersachsen doch Deine neue Anschrift mit.

Gruß
Klaus Riecken
www.Riecken-online.de

Re: [HN] gesucht: Reihard Freytag

Date: 2005/02/13 19:30:08
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>

Klaus Riecken schrieb:
> Hallo Reihard Freytag,
> 
> früher hatte wir über Niedersachsen Kontakt, leider stimmt 
> Deine E-Mail-Anschrift nicht mehr.
> 
> 
> Reihard Freytag" <Reihard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>
> 
> Solltest Du noch Interesse haben, teile mir und der Gruppe
> Niedersachsen doch Deine neue Anschrift mit.


Hallo Klaus,

R.Freytag hat sich zuletzt am 11.02.05 in dieser Gruppe, der
Hannover-Liste, gemeldet. Eventuell solltes Du bei der Mail-Adresse ein
n hinzufügen <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Hoffe geholfen zu haben

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[HN] Ich bin noch da Reihard Freytag

Date: 2005/02/13 20:03:45
From: Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Die stimmt noch.

In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
vorwärts

Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag
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> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:08:11 +0100
> Subject: [HN] gesucht:  Reihard Freytag
> From: "Klaus Riecken" <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>
> To: "Hannover -Liste" <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>

> Hallo Reihard Freytag,
> 
> früher hatte wir über Niedersachsen Kontakt, leider stimmt
Deine
> E-Mail-Anschrift nicht mehr.
> 
> 
> Reihard Freytag" <Reihard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>
> 
> Solltest Du noch Interesse haben, teile mir und der Gruppe
> Niedersachsen doch Deine neue Anschrift mit.
> 
> Gruß
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[HN] Cramer Heinrich

Date: 2005/02/13 21:49:51
From: Elizabeth <aliens(a)bigpond.net.au>

Hello Rod,

I think the town you are looking for in Hannover may be Veerse (post code) 27383, 4 km from the village of Scheeßel on a map. After checking the German phone book for a church address and the Internet webpage, the parish of Scheeßel seems to be the place to contact, the nearest sizeable town is Rotenburg, (Wümme).

According to the birth certificate of Mary Ann Katherine Cramer dated 10 August 1869 it clearly states that her father was Henry Cramer, occupation Labourer, aged 29 years, place of birth was Veerse, Hanover. Henry's wife was Margaret Mc Namara aged 25 years from Limerick. Is this the family you are researching? The hand writing on Henry's marriage certificate may have been difficult to read or the place of his birth may have been misspelt, have you any other documents? Have you checked to see if he was naturalized? If you send me a scan of his marriage certificate "offline" I can compare it with the image I have in my files.

If you are trying to locate records from the church in Germany, I suggest that you e-mail Pastor Wilke at <Ulrich.Wilke(a)web.de> at St Lucas Kirche Scheeßel, or e-mail him direct from his webpage at http://www.kirche-scheessel.de just click on his name at the bottom of the page. You can ask him if he has any Cramer's recorded in the Veerse registers, write in English and keep your inquiry very brief.

The LDS Mormons have also filmed some of the Scheeßel registers from 1715-1852, see films 1189539, 1189540 and 1189540.

Check the Family History Library Catalog at www.familysearch.org go to the right hand side of the screen you will see the words • Search the Family History Library Catalog for records and resources Click on these words and then another menu appears, do a place search by typing in Scheessel or Scheeßel, in the top box, then Germany in the box below, the results will appear, just print these off and take them to your nearest Mormon Library and order the films.

I hope this helps,
Elizabeth
in Australia

You wrote:
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:34:56 +1100
Subject: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia

Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much to you all, Rod.


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[HN] Hannovers in IL

Date: 2005/02/14 05:16:13
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

FYI:  There is also another Hanover in the NW corner of IL near the Mississippi River and a Hanover Park in the NE  very  near to Elgin where my grandmother and three of her sisters settled.  The area is full of other German names.        Jane


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Re: [HN] Cramer Heinrich

Date: 2005/02/14 13:01:22
From: Jürgen E . W . Meyer <jew.meyer(a)online.de>

Hello Elisabeth, hello Rod,
I don´t think that "Veener" is identical with Veerse (you could check with the expert on the Scheesel parish Jurgen Hoops (mailto info(a)hoops-archive.de)), but rather the town of Weener located in Ostfriesland (East Frisia) which became part of the Kingdom of Hannover in 1815 until 1866 when both were annected by Prussia.
I suggest you write to
Evangelische Kirchengemeinde
Norderstr. 44
D-26826 Weener

Good luck
Jurgen
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth" <aliens(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: [HN] Cramer Heinrich


Hello Rod,

I think the town you are looking for in Hannover may be Veerse (post code)
27383, 4 km from the village of Scheeßel on a map. After checking the
German phone book for a church address and the Internet webpage, the parish
of Scheeßel seems to be the place to contact, the nearest sizeable town is
Rotenburg,  (Wümme).

According to the birth certificate of Mary Ann Katherine Cramer dated 10
August 1869 it clearly states that her father was Henry Cramer, occupation
Labourer, aged 29 years, place of birth was Veerse, Hanover. Henry's wife
was Margaret Mc Namara aged 25 years from Limerick. Is this the family you
are researching? The hand writing on Henry's marriage certificate may have
been difficult to read or the place of his birth may have been misspelt,
have you any other documents?  Have you checked to see if he was
naturalized? If you send me a scan of his marriage certificate "offline" I
can compare it with the image I have in my files.

If you are trying to locate records from the church in Germany, I suggest
that you e-mail Pastor Wilke at <Ulrich.Wilke(a)web.de> at St Lucas Kirche
Scheeßel,  or e-mail him direct from his webpage at
http://www.kirche-scheessel.de just click on his name at the bottom of the
page. You can ask him if he has any Cramer's recorded in the Veerse
registers, write in English and keep your inquiry very brief.

The LDS Mormons have also filmed some of the Scheeßel registers from
1715-1852, see films 1189539, 1189540 and 1189540.

Check the Family History Library Catalog at www.familysearch.org go to the
right hand side of the screen you will see the words
. Search the Family History Library Catalog for records and
resources   Click on these words and then another menu appears, do a place
search by typing in Scheessel or Scheeßel, in the top box, then Germany in
the box below, the results will appear, just print these off and take them
to your nearest Mormon Library and order the films.

I hope this helps,
Elizabeth
in Australia

You wrote:
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:34:56 +1100
Subject: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia

Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod
Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather
emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name
was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of
birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His
fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an
innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is
proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much
to you all, Rod.


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[HN] (Kein Thema)

Date: 2005/02/14 16:41:48
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

 
Guten Tag,
meine Vorfahren lebten in FLIEGENBERG an der Elbe (bei Harburg bzw. Winsen  
a.d.Luhe), ehemals Königreich Hannover 
SANDERS Claus
SCHULZE Christian
SIEVERS Nikolaus Christian oo mit
WIEKHORST Anna Katharina
SCHWEENS Katharina Dorothea
        weiterhin aus  QUARRENDORF
HARTIG Johann Peter 
        weiterhin aus  HANSTEDT
HEUER Catherine Magdalena
 
Wer kennt diese Namen oder Familien?
Ich würde mich sehr über Kontaktaufnahmen  -  auch von Forschern  in den 
genannten Orten - freuen. 
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer H. Wiede





[HN] Ahnensuche SANDERS SCHULZE SIEVERS WIEHHORST SCHWEENS

Date: 2005/02/14 16:45:48
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

 
 
Guten Tag,
meine Vorfahren lebten in FLIEGENBERG an der Elbe (bei Harburg bzw. Winsen  
a.d.Luhe), ehemals Königreich Hannover 
SANDERS Claus
SCHULZE Christian
SIEVERS Nikolaus Christian oo mit
WIEKHORST Anna Katharina
SCHWEENS Katharina Dorothea
.
        weiterhin aus  QUARRENDORF
HARTIG Johann Peter 
.
       weiterhin aus HANSTEDT
HEUER Catherine Magdalena
 
Wer kennt diese Namen oder Familien?
Ich würde mich sehr über Kontaktaufnahmen  -  auch von Forschern  in den 
genannten Orten - freuen. 
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer H. Wiede




Re: [HN] Cramer Heinrich

Date: 2005/02/14 17:22:33
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

In Weener you can find 26 Kramer addresses, one is a teacher:

  Johann H. Kramer O.Std.Rat
  Bürgermeister-Werner-Str. 49
  26826 Weener
  Germany

Maybe he can help! Good luck,
Werner Honkomp


> Hello Elisabeth, hello Rod,
> I don´t think that "Veener" is identical with Veerse (you could check with
> the expert on the Scheesel parish Jurgen Hoops (mailto
> info(a)hoops-archive.de)),  but rather the town of Weener located in
> Ostfriesland (East Frisia) which became part of the Kingdom of Hannover in
> 1815 until 1866 when both were annected by Prussia.
> I suggest you write to
> Evangelische Kirchengemeinde
> Norderstr. 44
> D-26826 Weener

> Good luck
> Jurgen
--------------------------
> You wrote:
> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 21:34:56 +1100
> Subject: [HN] CRAMER-emigrated to Australia

> Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod
> Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather
> emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His
> name
> was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of
> birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His
> fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an
> innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is
> proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much
> to you all, Rod.




[HN] Nachricht in Liste

Date: 2005/02/14 18:49:08
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
wie kann es kommen, dass eine Nacricht, die ich u.a. an die Hannover -Liste am Sonntag um 8:23 gesendet habe bisher noch nicht erschienen ist? Erika

[HN] 5. Compangnie Hannoverschen Füsilier- Re giments Nr 73, Ersatz 1878

Date: 2005/02/14 18:49:09
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>

Guten Abend,
Ich fand ein Bild das als Unterschrift " Erinnerung an unsere Dienstzeit - 5. Compangnie Hannoverschen Füsilier- Regiments Nr 73, Ersatz 1878 "
Ist jemand daran interessiert oder kann dazu weitere Aussagen treffen?
Erika

AW: [HN] (Kein Thema)

Date: 2005/02/15 10:42:36
From: Reiner Stephany <r.stephany(a)simplion.de>

Lieber Rainer H. Wiede,
ich könnte mit einigen "Heuer" dienen:
- Adolf Wilhelm August H. (1840-1897)
- S. d. Johann Christoph Wilhelm (1806-1885), beide Mühlenpächter in
Sudweyhe, südl. Bremen;
- S. d. Gustav Georg Hoyer (sic!), getauft 7.3.1764 in Lauenau (Hann.),
+ 11.6.1817 Ahlden (auf einer Reise nach Hamburg); Knochenhauermeister
und Mühlenpächter,
- S. d. Johann August Philipp Hoier (!) * um 1729, + 16.1.1792,
Knochenhauer in Lauenau.
Eine Besonderheit:
Gustav Georg (s.o.) heiratet am 6.3.1789 in Celle eine Anna Christina
Dorothea Hoyer (sic!) aus Neuenhäusen, geb. 17.6.1766, + 9. 4. 1818 in
Barsinghausen.
- T. des Johann Peter Bernhard Hoyer, + 1731 Celle, Schlachtermeister,
Todesdatum unbekannt. Dieser ist Sohn von Jürgen Ludolph Hoyer aus
Celle, zu dem weitere Angaben fehlen.
Interessant?
Viele Grüße,
Reiner Stephany.

Reiner Stephany
Kiebitzweg 28
59071 Hamm
Tel.: 02381 84972


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[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von RHWiede(a)aol.com
Gesendet: Montag, 14. Februar 2005 16:42
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] (Kein Thema)

 
Guten Tag,
meine Vorfahren lebten in FLIEGENBERG an der Elbe (bei Harburg bzw.
Winsen  
a.d.Luhe), ehemals Königreich Hannover 
SANDERS Claus
SCHULZE Christian
SIEVERS Nikolaus Christian oo mit
WIEKHORST Anna Katharina
SCHWEENS Katharina Dorothea
        weiterhin aus  QUARRENDORF
HARTIG Johann Peter 
        weiterhin aus  HANSTEDT
HEUER Catherine Magdalena
 
Wer kennt diese Namen oder Familien?
Ich würde mich sehr über Kontaktaufnahmen  -  auch von Forschern  in den

genannten Orten - freuen. 
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer H. Wiede




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[HN] Re: Ich bin noch da: Reinhard Freytag

Date: 2005/02/15 11:31:21
From: Walter Lautenbach <w.lautenbach(a)gmx.de>

Hallo, Herr Freytag,

was mache ich falsch?
Ich habe Sie am 26.1. und am 6.2. auf Ihrer email-Adresse um einige Daten
gebeten und ihnen meine Daten angeboten. Obwohl Sie sich laufend in
verschiedenen mailinglisten melden, bekomme ich keine Antwort.

Freundliche Grüße

Walter Lautenbach


> Ursprüngliche Nachricht:

> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:00:54 +0100
> From: "Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de" <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>
> Subject: [HN] Ich bin noch da Reihard Freytag
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Message-ID: <1D0OzG-1Bua2a0(a)cmpmail01.bbul.t-online.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

> Die stimmt noch.

> In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
> vorwärts

> Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
> Universitätsstadt Göttingen
> Reinhard J. Freytag
> reinhard.freytag(a)t-online.de



Re: [HN] Re: Ich bin noch da: Reinhard Freytag

Date: 2005/02/15 12:31:02
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Walter !
Als Dritter ist mir aufgefallen, daß Du immer bei dem Vornamen "Reihardt"
und nicht korrekt "Reinhardt" (mit "n" in der Mitte)geschrieben hast.
Vielleicht liegt es daran.
Schöne Grüße aus Hamburg
Rolf

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Lautenbach" <w.lautenbach(a)gmx.de>
To: "Hannover Liste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: [HN] Re: Ich bin noch da: Reinhard Freytag


> Hallo, Herr Freytag,
>
> was mache ich falsch?
> Ich habe Sie am 26.1. und am 6.2. auf Ihrer email-Adresse um einige Daten
> gebeten und ihnen meine Daten angeboten. Obwohl Sie sich laufend in
> verschiedenen mailinglisten melden, bekomme ich keine Antwort.
>
> Freundliche Grüße
>
> Walter Lautenbach
>
>
> > Ursprüngliche Nachricht:
>
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:00:54 +0100
> > From: "Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de" <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>
> > Subject: [HN] Ich bin noch da Reihard Freytag
> > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Message-ID: <1D0OzG-1Bua2a0(a)cmpmail01.bbul.t-online.de>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> > Die stimmt noch.
>
> > In der Genealogie ist ein Schritt rückwärts ein Schritt
> > vorwärts
>
> > Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
> > Universitätsstadt Göttingen
> > Reinhard J. Freytag
> > reinhard.freytag(a)t-online.de
>
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[HN] Name MENTE vor 1700

Date: 2005/02/15 15:30:27
From: J.Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer ,

Bin auf der Suche nach Daten über :
Franz Joachim MENTE , Chirurg in Minden .
- Wo und wann ist er geboren ?
- Wo wann ist er verheiratet ?
- Wie heiszt seine Ehefrau ?
- Wann ist ihre Sohn Christoph in Minden geboren ? ( + Goslar 1703 )

Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich sehr dankbar .
Jacobus Hannema / Holland .



[HN] Pabst/Schulenburg a. d. Leine

Date: 2005/02/15 18:23:18
From: Reiner Stephany <r.stephany(a)simplion.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder:

Ich suche nähere Angaben über Johann Georg Pabst, * 1728 Schulenburg und
+ 1783 Schulenburg und seine Vorfahren. Kann mir da jemand weiterhelfen?

Viele Grüße,

Reiner Stephany.

 

Reiner Stephany

Kiebitzweg 28

59071 Hamm

Tel.: 02381 84972

 


Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700

Date: 2005/02/15 18:39:54
From: Heinrich Munk <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo Jacobus, im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis 1734 kommt der Name Mente nicht vor, vgl. Krieg: Mindener Jahrbuch, Band 9, 1938, alles Gute Heinrich
"J.Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
> Hallo Listenteilnehmer ,
> 
> Bin auf der Suche nach Daten über :
> Franz Joachim MENTE , Chirurg in Minden .
> - Wo und wann ist er geboren ?
> - Wo wann ist er verheiratet ?
> - Wie heiszt seine Ehefrau ?
> - Wann ist ihre Sohn Christoph in Minden geboren ? ( + Goslar 1703 )
> 
> Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich sehr dankbar .
> Jacobus Hannema / Holland .
> 
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Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700

Date: 2005/02/16 09:46:04
From: Fleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Hallo Herr Heinrich Munk,
Wenn ich fragen darf, seien Sie Bitte so nett und pruefen Sie ob der Name FLOEMER oder VLOEMER oder WLOEMER im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis 1734 vorkommt.. Wuerde mich sehr freuen etwas von Ihnen zu hoeren/sehen.
mit freundlichen gruessen aus Rotterdam Holland
Rudolf Fleumer


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Subject: Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700


Hallo Jacobus, im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis 1734 kommt der Name Mente nicht vor, vgl. Krieg: Mindener Jahrbuch, Band 9, 1938, alles Gute Heinrich
"J.Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
Hallo Listenteilnehmer ,

Bin auf der Suche nach Daten über :
Franz Joachim MENTE , Chirurg in Minden .
- Wo und wann ist er geboren ?
- Wo wann ist er verheiratet ?
- Wie heiszt seine Ehefrau ?
- Wann ist ihre Sohn Christoph in Minden geboren ? ( + Goslar 1703 )

Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich sehr dankbar .
Jacobus Hannema / Holland .


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Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700

Date: 2005/02/16 10:35:26
From: Heinrich Munk <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Fleumer, im Sargregister kommen die gesuchten Namen nicht vor, mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinrich Munk
"Fleumer" <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl> schrieb:
> Hallo Herr Heinrich Munk,
> Wenn ich fragen darf, seien Sie Bitte so nett und pruefen Sie ob der Name 
> FLOEMER oder VLOEMER oder WLOEMER im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis 
> 1734 vorkommt.. Wuerde mich sehr freuen etwas von Ihnen zu hoeren/sehen.
> mit freundlichen gruessen aus Rotterdam Holland
> Rudolf Fleumer
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700
> 
> 
> Hallo Jacobus, im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis 1734 kommt der Name 
> Mente nicht vor, vgl. Krieg: Mindener Jahrbuch, Band 9, 1938, alles Gute 
> Heinrich
> "J.Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
> > Hallo Listenteilnehmer ,
> >
> > Bin auf der Suche nach Daten über :
> > Franz Joachim MENTE , Chirurg in Minden .
> > - Wo und wann ist er geboren ?
> > - Wo wann ist er verheiratet ?
> > - Wie heiszt seine Ehefrau ?
> > - Wann ist ihre Sohn Christoph in Minden geboren ? ( + Goslar 1703 )
> >
> > Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich sehr dankbar .
> > Jacobus Hannema / Holland .
> >
> >
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Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700

Date: 2005/02/16 11:14:34
From: Fleumer <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl>

Hallo Herr Munk , vielen Dank fuer ihre Muehe.
Was ist ein Sargregister eigentlich ?
Gruss Rudolf Fleumer Rotterdam

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700


Sehr geehrter Herr Fleumer, im Sargregister kommen die gesuchten Namen nicht vor, mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinrich Munk
"Fleumer" <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl> schrieb:
Hallo Herr Heinrich Munk,
Wenn ich fragen darf, seien Sie Bitte so nett und pruefen Sie ob der Name
FLOEMER oder VLOEMER oder WLOEMER im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis
1734 vorkommt.. Wuerde mich sehr freuen etwas von Ihnen zu hoeren/sehen.
mit freundlichen gruessen aus Rotterdam Holland
Rudolf Fleumer


----- Original Message ----- From: "Heinrich Munk" <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700


Hallo Jacobus, im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis 1734 kommt der Name
Mente nicht vor, vgl. Krieg: Mindener Jahrbuch, Band 9, 1938, alles Gute
Heinrich
"J.Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
> Hallo Listenteilnehmer ,
>
> Bin auf der Suche nach Daten über :
> Franz Joachim MENTE , Chirurg in Minden .
> - Wo und wann ist er geboren ?
> - Wo wann ist er verheiratet ?
> - Wie heiszt seine Ehefrau ?
> - Wann ist ihre Sohn Christoph in Minden geboren ? ( + Goslar 1703 )
>
> Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich sehr dankbar .
> Jacobus Hannema / Holland .
>
>
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Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700

Date: 2005/02/16 11:44:05
From: J.Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Hallo Heinrich ,
Noch Dank für Ihre Antwort .
Jacobus .


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Subject: Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700


Hallo Jacobus, im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis 1734 kommt der Name
Mente nicht vor, vgl. Krieg: Mindener Jahrbuch, Band 9, 1938, alles Gute
Heinrich
"J.Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
> Hallo Listenteilnehmer ,
>
> Bin auf der Suche nach Daten über :
> Franz Joachim MENTE , Chirurg in Minden .
> - Wo und wann ist er geboren ?
> - Wo wann ist er verheiratet ?
> - Wie heiszt seine Ehefrau ?
> - Wann ist ihre Sohn Christoph in Minden geboren ? ( + Goslar 1703 )
>
> Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich sehr dankbar .
> Jacobus Hannema / Holland .
>
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Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700

Date: 2005/02/16 15:55:27
From: Heinrich Munk <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Fleumer, die Stadt Minden erhob eine Gebühr von jeder Leiche, die in einem Sarg beigesetzt wurde, ales Gute Heinrich
"Fleumer" <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl> schrieb:
> Hallo Herr Munk , vielen Dank fuer ihre Muehe.
> Was ist ein Sargregister eigentlich ?
> Gruss Rudolf Fleumer Rotterdam
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Heinrich Munk" <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700
> 
> 
> Sehr geehrter Herr Fleumer, im Sargregister kommen die gesuchten Namen nicht 
> vor, mit freundlichen Grüßen Heinrich Munk
> "Fleumer" <hmt.rudolf(a)net.hcc.nl> schrieb:
> > Hallo Herr Heinrich Munk,
> > Wenn ich fragen darf, seien Sie Bitte so nett und pruefen Sie ob der Name
> > FLOEMER oder VLOEMER oder WLOEMER im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis
> > 1734 vorkommt.. Wuerde mich sehr freuen etwas von Ihnen zu hoeren/sehen.
> > mit freundlichen gruessen aus Rotterdam Holland
> > Rudolf Fleumer
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Heinrich Munk" <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>
> > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] Name MENTE vor 1700
> >
> >
> > Hallo Jacobus, im Sarregister der Stadt Minden 1636 bis 1734 kommt der 
> > Name
> > Mente nicht vor, vgl. Krieg: Mindener Jahrbuch, Band 9, 1938, alles Gute
> > Heinrich
> > "J.Hannema" <j.hannema(a)casema.nl> schrieb:
> > > Hallo Listenteilnehmer ,
> > >
> > > Bin auf der Suche nach Daten über :
> > > Franz Joachim MENTE , Chirurg in Minden .
> > > - Wo und wann ist er geboren ?
> > > - Wo wann ist er verheiratet ?
> > > - Wie heiszt seine Ehefrau ?
> > > - Wann ist ihre Sohn Christoph in Minden geboren ? ( + Goslar 1703 )
> > >
> > > Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich sehr dankbar .
> > > Jacobus Hannema / Holland .
> > >
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[HN] Re: Familie Menten

Date: 2005/02/17 03:43:25
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Jacobus:  Ich auch suche Informazion über Johann (Hans, Jens) Menten (vielliecht früher Mente), der Dorothea (Doris) Bruns um 1870 verheiratet hat.  Das Ehepaar wohnte in Bremen um 1870 bis um 1910.  Aber Familiegeschichte steht, dass die Familie Menten aus Holland, vielliecht Rotterdam, stammt.  Ist es möglich, diese ist die selbe Familie, die du forschst?     Jane


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[HN] Genealogical Talk

Date: 2005/02/17 03:54:39
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

To all listers living or visiting in Florida:  FYI:  I shall be giving a talk to the German SIG of the Sarasota Genealogical Society on 23 March at 0930 EST - location to be announced next week.  Also, I shall be addressing the Charlotte Co. Genealogical Society on 18 May at 230 PM at St. James Church Hall in Port Charlotte.  The theme will be "Why did they come?" and, of course, I shall be talking about my books, particularly the third volume of The Saxon Chronicle - The Millers' Daughters.  Both events are open to the public and I hope some of you will be able to come.  I should love to meet you.     Jane


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Re: [HN] Genealogical Talk

Date: 2005/02/17 04:45:23
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

You need to come up to Cleveland. Wait at least until  May so you don't get 
snowed in, unless you like snow. Lake Erie and the Rock and  Roll Hall of Fame 
is a nice place to see. E-mail, if you are coming up to the  great white North.
Eric 

Re: [HN] Cramer Heinrich

Date: 2005/02/17 07:39:32
From: Elizabeth <aliens(a)bigpond.net.au>

Greetings from Australia

Hello Jürgen

Thank you for your advice and help. I have contacted Jürgen Hoops and he is unable to find Heinrich's birth in Veerse or Scheessel.

Rod needs to establish the correct name of the town his ancestor came from in Germany. I am a volunteer member of a German Interest Group here in Australia, our members are called upon to assist beginners with their problems locating records in Germany.

I had an inquiry from another researcher about the birth place of Heinrich Cramer/Kramer some time ago. This researcher gave me a copy of her ancestor's birth certificate. The father of the child was Heinrich Cramer and his place of birth is very clearly spelt VEERSE. I did not suggest to the list that VEENER was identical with Veerse. Thank you for the very useful information about the history of Weener.

I have now ordered Heinrich Cramer's naturalization certificate from South Australia to see if his birth place is given, however I suspect that these documents may just say Hanover.

I will be in contact with Rod off line and hope that between all of us we will be able to help Rod locate the correct place of birth for Heinrich Kramer.

Thank you once again for your kindness, I will suggest to Rob it may be good idea to write to Evangelische Kirchengemeinde and to Johann H Kramer in Weener. Hopefully he may be able to locate the church records he needs from Weener.

Please keep answering our questions, here in Australia we need all the help we can get, it is very difficult to know exactly which church to contact in these smaller villages.

Kindest regards,

Elizabeth Allum
At 12:58 PM 14/02/2005 +0100, you wrote:

Hello Elisabeth, hello Rod,
I don´t think that "Veener" is identical with Veerse (you could check with the expert on the Scheesel parish Jurgen Hoops (mailto info(a)hoops-archive.de)), but rather the town of Weener located in Ostfriesland (East Frisia) which became part of the Kingdom of Hannover in 1815 until 1866 when both were annected by Prussia.
I suggest you write to
Evangelische Kirchengemeinde
Norderstr. 44
D-26826 Weener

Good luck
Jurgen
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To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:58 PM
Subject: [HN] Cramer Heinrich


Hello Rod,

I think the town you are looking for in Hannover may be Veerse (post code)
27383, 4 km from the village of Scheeßel on a map. After checking the
German phone book for a church address and the Internet webpage, the parish
of Scheeßel seems to be the place to contact, the nearest sizeable town is
Rotenburg,  (Wümme).

According to the birth certificate of Mary Ann Katherine Cramer dated 10
August 1869 it clearly states that her father was Henry Cramer, occupation
Labourer, aged 29 years, place of birth was Veerse, Hanover.



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[HN] Schnable-Pfeiffer abt 1750/1776

Date: 2005/02/17 08:24:35
From: Jack Scott <sqp(a)axion.net>

   Conrad Schnable came to Canada as a Hessian Jaeger in June/July of
   1777.   I would like to find some information on Konrad/Conrad and
   Elizabeth Barbe Pfeiffer prior to them coming to Canada.    I will be
   in Germany this summer and hope to visit both Martinhagen and the
   Archives in Marburg  in Hesse.   Any help would be very much
   appreciated.  Unfortunately a speak no Germany.   Below is some
   information.  My website is [1]www.jackpscott.shawbiz.ca Regards  Jack
   Scott (nee Schnob)
   We now have Konrad Schnabel's  place of birth as  34270
   Schauenburg-Martinhagen. This is just west of the City of Kassel in
   Hessen.
   It is thought that Conrad Schnabel was from Stadholdendorf, Germany
   just south of Hannover.   This location appears to be incorrect.  It
   now appears it is Martinhagen near Kassel in Germany
   Schnabel Konrad      HAJ2         Hessan-Hanua Chasseur Corp S#100p10
   Kornrumpff Company

   They arrived on the military ship "Dorothy Elizabeth" from England to
   Newfoundland around and before July 12, 1777.
   Conrad was a Hessen-Hanau Jaeger serving in the Kornrumpff, later
   called Castendyck Company according to Hetrina VI numbered the 2nd
   Company Which arrived in Quebec June 1777
   Conrad was discharged in 1783 (Creutzbourg); Labourer and his wife
   Barbara Elisabeth, Baptised son Christian Sept 29th, 1785 at Holy
   Trinity Anglican, Quebec  (  From Book by Virginia DeMarce
   The God Parents of Jean-Baptiste Chenable were Sebastien Burgey and
   Marie Primeau
   This company that took part in St. Leger's expedition to fort Stanwix
   in July 1777 under Premier Lt. Jacob Hildebrandt.  A report on this
   expedition you can find in Gavin K. Watt's Book " Rebellion in the
   Mohawk Valley" published in 2002.
   It is not sure if Conrad Schnabel went on this exact expedition as
   some of the company was delayed in departing as his name appears as
   one of 18 Jaegers who had to board a different ship in England.   The
   ship had to stop in Newfoundland first and may not have reached.
   You will also note the many different birth places of the 7 children.
   This would be because the company was moved to various areas and
   thusly the children were born in different towns or villages.

   Jack P. Scott, SCSM
   President
   SQP Shopping Ctr & Property Mgmt Recruiters
   # 103 15165 Marine Dr.
   White Rock, B.C.   V4B-1C5
   Ph 604-538-1474
   Fax 604-538-2080
   Email: sqp(a)axion.net

References

   1. http://www.jackpscott.shawbiz.ca/

Re: [HN] Genealogical Talk- To jane

Date: 2005/02/17 08:41:50
From: ybmarshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

Hello from Melbourne jane , 

Are you going to give we list members a chance to read your talk ? ie . can you put it on this site for us ? I often "why did they come ?

Yvonne in Australia.

[HN] Why did they come

Date: 2005/02/17 10:25:45
From: Elizabeth <aliens(a)bigpond.net.au>

Hello Yvonne, in Melbourne.

Go to

http://www.teachers.ash.org.au/dnutting/germanaustralia/e/why-emi.htm

Elizabeth


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Re: [HN] Why did they come

Date: 2005/02/17 11:50:00
From: ybmarshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

Thankyou to Elizabeth for the links re Emigration of germand. Good site and I have bookmarked it for future reference. 

Yvonne in Melbourne.

Re: AW: [HN] HEUER aus Hanstedt

Date: 2005/02/17 12:12:54
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

Hallo Reiner,
zuerst vielen Dank für Deinen Beitrag. Es gibt 5  H a n s t e d  t  in 
Norddeutschland und eines in Dänemark. 
Da Catharina Magdalenas HEUERs Mann, Johann Peter HARTIG * um 1795, aus  
21271  
Q u a r r e n d o r f  kommt, lässt sich mit einiger Sicherheit  
unterstellen, daß sie aus dem nur 3,1 km entfernten 21271  H a n s t e d  t  stammt. Sie 
wird dort um 1795 geboren sein. Gelebt hat das  Paar offenbar in Quarrendorf.
Ich kann keine Verbindung zu den von Dir gelisteten Heuers erblicken.  
Vielleicht bekommst Du in Zukunft mehr Informationen.
Noch einmal Dank für Deine Mühe.
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer
 
 

Re: [HN] Re: Familie Menten

Date: 2005/02/17 15:01:54
From: J.Hannema <j.hannema(a)casema.nl>

Hallo Jane ,
Meiner Meinung nach gibt es keine Verbindung , aber
sage niemals nie !   "Meine " MENTE - also ohne N !! -
kommen aus Lippe und  Niedersachsen : über Franz weisz
ich nur dasz er Chirurg in Minden war ,  sein Sohn Christoph heiratete in
Braunschweig 1693 eine Dorothea
Berckelman : die beide starben in Goslar . Eine Tochter
heiratete da ( 1713 ) Georg F. von Döhren .
Über Menten können Sie u.a. Daten beim Centraal Bureau
für Genealogie in Den Haag  finden :  www.cbg.nl  .
Mit freundlichen Grüssen aus Holland ,
Jacobus Hannema .


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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:43 AM
Subject: [HN] Re: Familie Menten


> Jacobus:  Ich auch suche Informazion über Johann (Hans, Jens) Menten
(vielliecht früher Mente), der Dorothea (Doris) Bruns um 1870 verheiratet
hat.  Das Ehepaar wohnte in Bremen um 1870 bis um 1910.  Aber
Familiegeschichte steht, dass die Familie Menten aus Holland, vielliecht
Rotterdam, stammt.  Ist es möglich, diese ist die selbe Familie, die du
forschst?     Jane
>
>
> Jane Swan
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[HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/18 04:39:43
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Yvonne:  I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.  However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far more detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE  See my website   http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net  for ordering info.  Marlene in Brisbane has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to Australia.  AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same ones that would have sent them to your side of the world.  Only one or two are unique to America.  I'm sure you will enjoy the books.  Thanks for your interest.      Jane


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[HN] Re: Cleveland

Date: 2005/02/18 04:46:53
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Eric:  Thanks, but no thanks.  I hate snow - I used to live in the great white north - the 'snow belt' south of Lake Ontario - which is why I now live in Florida.  Altho I do occasionally do talks to genealogical and other groups up north during the summer.   Jane


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[HN] HERBORT

Date: 2005/02/18 07:27:49
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
gerade "bearbeite" ich den Namen HERBORT in Linne, Ksp. Schledehausen (bei Osnabrück). Hat zufällig jemand Anknüpfungspunkte?

Marie Elise HERBORT, verh. Meyer zu Lösebeck, wuerde am 23.11.1854 in Linne geboren und starb am 22.11.1917 , ihre Nachfahren sind bekannt.

Erika

[HN] Link zu Familiennamen u.a. SCHILLER und SCHEEL

Date: 2005/02/18 09:50:31
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>



Hallo Ihr Listigen,

hier der heutige Link zu Familiennamen in der "WELT" :

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/02/18/489818.html

Mit besten Wünschen für ein angenehmes Wochenende

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie

"An seinen Feinden rächt man sich am besten dadurch, dass man besser wird
als sie." Diogenes



[HN] Heinrich August und Ludwig Knickmann

Date: 2005/02/18 10:05:14
From: Barbara Eckrath <knickmann(a)gmx.net>

Hallo

Ich suche nach Informationen zu den Brüdern Heinrich August (1894-1941)und
Ludwig Knickmann (1897-1923).
Es soll auch eine Schwester gegeben haben, kann mir dabei jemand
weiterhelfen?
Beide lebten u.a. in Gelsenkirchen-Buer.
Mich interessiert vor allen ob die beiden Familie hinterlassen haben.

Wer hat auch noch Knickmann und Dienemann in seiner AL und möchte
Informationen tauschen?

Schöne Grüße
Barbara

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[HN] Archivierungsprogramm für Fotos und Dokumente

Date: 2005/02/18 13:13:11
From: Karlheinz Steimel <0221361789-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Hallo Listenfreunde,

wer kann mir aus seiner Erfahrung ein Archivierungsprogramm für Fotos und Dokumente nennen oder empfehlen? Das Programm sollte die Beschriftung/Erklärung der Bilder ermöglichen und die Bilder und Dokumente nach vorzugebendem Index finden. Zu wünschen wäre auch, bei Bildern mit mehreren Personen und Gruppenbildern (Hochzeitsgesellschaften) die Konturen nachzuziehen und die Namen der Personen in einer Erläuterung festzuhalten, möglichst auch mit Index. 

Mein Interessengebiet erstreckt sich auf die Namen (und Orte) Cremer (Köln), Franken (Much), Funken (Much), Haas (Efferen), Hauptmann (Birk), Kleff (Ruppichteroth), Kraus (Much), Kunz (Erlenbach bei Dahn/Pfalz), Mangerich (Köln), Söntgerath (Neunkirchen), Steimel (Much, Neunkirchen, Ruppichteroth, Lohmar, Geistingen/Hennef, Kappel/Baden, Östringen/Baden, Opperhausen/Braunschweig), Steinsträßer (Much), Thelen (Much). 

Aus Köln grüßt

Karlheinz Steimel



[HN] Wintering und Bültel

Date: 2005/02/18 21:01:00
From: Franz-Josef Lienland <info(a)lienland.net>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer, 

ich suche nach den Vorfahren von (Gerhard)  Heinrich Wintering * 01.04.1879
in Ahlde + 10.01.1935 in Ahlde. Die Eltern sind Johann Gerhard Wintering
geborener Bültel und Maria Adelheid Wintering.


Herzlichen Dank!
Franz-Josef Lienland




[HN] Bernhard Evers

Date: 2005/02/18 21:12:20
From: Franz-Josef Lienland <info(a)lienland.net>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer, 

ich suche ferner nach den Vorfahren von Anna Maria Evers geb. am 06.11.1863
in Venhaus. Ihre Eltern waren Bernhard Evers und Maria Adelheid Gödken 

Herzlichen Dank!

Franz-Josef Lienland



[HN] Re: Familie Menten

Date: 2005/02/19 05:19:43
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Danke, Jacobus, für das NL website.  Ich wird es studieren.    Jane


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Re: [HN] Bernhard Evers

Date: 2005/02/19 07:06:47
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Franz-Josef,

     If you go to this page:   http://gedbas.genealogy.net/index.jsp
and search for Evers and Venhaus, you will get these  names:

 1 Gerhard Evers (1795  Saerbeck /M?nster - 1881  Venhaus)
        + Anna Maria Evers (1807  - 1837  Venhaus)
          2 Johann Gerhard Joseph Evers (1829  Venhaus - 1898  Venhaus)
          2 Bernhard Heinrich Evers (1832  - 1898  Venhaus)
        + Maria Aleide Suermann (1809  Bramsche /Lingen - 1848  Venhaus)
          2 Maria Carolina Evers (1839  Venhaus - 1848  Venhaus)
          2 Maria Elisabetta Evers (1840  Venhaus - )
          2 Maria Aleid Evers (1842  Venhaus - 1847  Venhaus)
          2 Margaretha Josefine Evers (1844  Venhaus - 1918  Venhaus)
            + Johann Gerhard Joseph Sandtel (1821  Venhaus - 1904  Venhaus)

There are others listed.  The researcher is:
     Almut Völker
ahvoelker(a)t-online.de

Good luck,
Barbara





on 2/18/05 1:10 PM, Franz-Josef Lienland at info(a)lienland.net wrote:

> Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
> 
> ich suche ferner nach den Vorfahren von Anna Maria Evers geb. am 06.11.1863
> in Venhaus. Ihre Eltern waren Bernhard Evers und Maria Adelheid Gödken
> 
> Herzlichen Dank!
> 
> Franz-Josef Lienland
> 
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[HN] Ständige Suche

Date: 2005/02/19 13:56:10
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>


  Hallo Listenmitglieder,


  aus dem Raum Hameln - Bodenwerder - Holzminden suche ich die Namen:


  Rittersbusch, Kunze, Bartels und Verwohl ( Verwold - Verwolts sowie Frewohl )


  Grüße aus dem Harzvorland
  Klaus

[HN] Fw: [OL] Bakum: Geiss(e)ler X Eickendorf

Date: 2005/02/19 13:57:13
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

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    Von: robla(a)iname.com (Ronald Blancke)
  Datum: 18.02.2005, 13:02:22
Betreff: [OL] Bakum: Geiss(e)ler X Eickendorf

18.5.1756 Bakum: Joannes Ferdinand Geiss(e)ler X Catharina Elisabeth Eickendorf.

In LDS records I saw more entries of the name Eickendorf in Bakum and Oldenburg, but no Geissler. This couple baptised a daughter in Munster in 1766: Anna Catharina Geisseler.

Does anyone has more info on this couple?

Ronald Blancke
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[HN] Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen in Luhne/parish of Rotenburg/W.

Date: 2005/02/19 16:51:29
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

hello,

looking for any information on Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen`s day resp. place of 
birth, marriage or death. He was a shepherd between 1743 and 1768 in Luhne in 
the parish of Rotenburg/W.

Appreciating any hint.

Albin von Spreckelsen

Re: [HN] Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen in Luhne/parish of Rotenburg/W.

Date: 2005/02/19 18:20:26
From: Jürgen E . W . Meyer <jew.meyer(a)online.de>

Hi Albin,
I know very little of this Johann Friedrich Groenhagen / Gruenhagen (oe and ue both "umlauts"). He was born around 1701 as a son of Wilhelm G., Pachtschaefer (ae = "umlaut") in Luhne and died in Helvesiek, Scheessel parish, where he lived as a Haeusling (ae="umlaut") at that time. He was burried in Scheessel on 15th Feb. 1760. One son of him, Christoph, born around 1735, was also a shephard in Luhne. He died there on 13th April 1779. Another one, Johann Henrich Wilhelm, was born in Luhne on 20th June and baptized in Rotenburg on 23rd June 1743. His mother´s name is not mentioned in the entry.
Regards from Berlin
Juergen
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Subject: [HN] Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen in Luhne/parish of Rotenburg/W.


hello,

looking for any information on Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen`s day resp. place of birth, marriage or death. He was a shepherd between 1743 and 1768 in Luhne in
the parish of Rotenburg/W.

Appreciating any hint.

Albin von Spreckelsen
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Re: [HN] Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen in Luhne/parish of Rotenburg/W.

Date: 2005/02/19 18:22:38
From: Jürgen E . W . Meyer <jew.meyer(a)online.de>

Sorry, there was a typing error. It should read "Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen" (not "Friedrich")
Juergen
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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen in Luhne/parish of Rotenburg/W.


Hi Albin,
I know very little of this Johann Friedrich Groenhagen / Gruenhagen (oe and ue both "umlauts"). He was born around 1701 as a son of Wilhelm G., Pachtschaefer (ae = "umlaut") in Luhne and died in Helvesiek, Scheessel parish, where he lived as a Haeusling (ae="umlaut") at that time. He was burried in Scheessel on 15th Feb. 1760. One son of him, Christoph, born around 1735, was also a shephard in Luhne. He died there on 13th April 1779. Another one, Johann Henrich Wilhelm, was born in Luhne on 20th June and baptized in Rotenburg on 23rd June 1743. His mother´s name is not mentioned in the entry.
Regards from Berlin
Juergen
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Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:51 PM
Subject: [HN] Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen in Luhne/parish of Rotenburg/W.


hello,

looking for any information on Johann Hinrich Gruenhagen`s day resp. place of birth, marriage or death. He was a shepherd between 1743 and 1768 in Luhne in
the parish of Rotenburg/W.

Appreciating any hint.

Albin von Spreckelsen
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[HN] Suche

Date: 2005/02/20 11:39:35
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>


  Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

  aus dem Raum Holenberg - Holzminden - suche ich den Namen:


  Hermann Verwohl ( Verwold - Verwolds - Frewohl )

  oo  09.04. Holenberg - Negenborn

  Anna Elisabeth Schünemann


  bei wem befinden sich diese Namen in der Ahnenforschung ????
  bitte um Mitteilung.

  MfG. Klaus

Re: [HN] VERWOHL Suche

Date: 2005/02/20 17:42:43
From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Klaus, 

Meine Frau hat unter AZ 863 eine Anne Margareta VERWOHL,  aus Marssen
(Mackensen oder Warzen bei Alfeld/Leine ?),
Ehemann Johann Heinrich HESSE aus Bevern,

Tochter AZ 431
HESSE, Cath. Marg., geb. Bevern 19.04.1714, + Holenberg 26.03.1784,
beerd. Holenberg 28.03.1784

Freundliche Gruesse 

Falk (Liebezeit)
Diepholz


P.S.: 
Gibt es zu der Trauung Verwohl-Schuenemann auch ein Jahr oder wirklich
nur den neunten April ?

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 11:39:00 +0100
> Subject: [HN] Suche
> From: "Klaus Kunze" <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>
> To: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>

> 
> 
>   Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
> 
>   aus dem Raum Holenberg - Holzminden - suche ich den Namen:
> 
> 
>   Hermann Verwohl ( Verwold - Verwolds - Frewohl )
> 
>   oo  09.04. Holenberg - Negenborn
> 
>   Anna Elisabeth Schünemann
> 
> 
>   bei wem befinden sich diese Namen in der Ahnenforschung ????
>   bitte um Mitteilung.
> 
>   MfG. Klaus
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[HN] Witz

Date: 2005/02/20 21:06:03
From: MikeReinck <MikeReinck(a)aol.com>

Hallo Liste.
 
Zwei Familienforscher treffen sich. Der erste fragt: Wie weit bist du  
gekommen? - Der zweite: Ich bin nicht weit gekommen. Mein Urgroßvater  war 
Junggeselle und hatte keine Kinder.

[HN] My Sielehr and Thies Genealogy

Date: 2005/02/20 22:50:19
From: Merrickwagner <Merrickwagner(a)cs.com>

I am looking for a connection or information to my Great Great Grandparents 
Ernst Heinrich Sielehr (DOB January 1851)and Caroline Florentina Thies (DOB 
June 10, 1852).  They list Hannover as country of origion.  Ernst has an 
emigration year of 1871 and Caroline emigrated from Bremen in late July or  early 
August of 1872.  Caroline arrived in Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A. on August 12, 
1872.  Her destination was Cleveland, Ohio.  She crossed the ocean on a ship 
named Hermine.  It is possible that Ernst came from Buer.  I suspect a brother 
also emigrated to Cleveland, Ohio.  His name was Henry (Heinrich) Sielehr. Henry 
listed Buer as his place of emigration. Their father's name was William 
(Wilhelm) and their mother's name was Maria Ellbrecht.  William was born in 1821 and 
I suspect he emigrated in April of 1882 along with Henry.   Heinrich and 
Florentina Thies were the parents of Caroline. I have extensive genealogy of Ernst 
and Caroline's descendants.  Note: Caroline also went by the name Lena.  They 
were of the Lutheran (Evangelische) faith.
                                                                              
                              Rick Wagner

[HN] Re: Johann Heinrich Grünhagen

Date: 2005/02/21 05:14:57
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Jürgen and Albin:  Do you know if your Johann Heinrich Grünhagen had a daughter Anna Margarethe?  I have her in my tree, married to Johann Heinrich Ludwig Bergmann before 1750 when their son Johann Christoph Ludwig Bergmann was born in Rodewald.  Unfortunately the churchbooks in Rodewald were destroyed in a fire so I have no further info.  I know Rodewald is quite a distance from Scheesel but the elder Bergmann was a miller and they wandered.  I should appreciate any info you might have on Anna Margarethe Grünhagen.  Thanks.   Jane


Jane Swan
jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/21 07:13:32
From: GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au>

Hi Jane and Yvonne,

I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
priorities lately.  I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to the
publishers in America to order the third.  My family have been reading them
also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
forward to reading the third one.

I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the Daniels,
Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc.   I'm
amazed at home much history you learn along the way.

With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the first
world war.  My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
business or find work.   He owned a business, but after the war and with the
very high inflation, the business floundered.  My grandmother and her three
children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the children
from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
children to join their father and husband.  I have doubts that my
grandmother wanted to leave Germany.  Life in Australia for the family at
that time proved to be very difficult.  My grandfather was sick and died
five years after his family joined him.

I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late 1870's or
1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
America.  Why were people leaving Germany at that time?

Must go

regards

Marlene
Brisbane, Australia



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Swan" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?


> Hi Yvonne:  I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far more
detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE  See my website
http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net  for ordering info.  Marlene in Brisbane
has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to
Australia.  AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
ones that would have sent them to your side of the world.  Only one or two
are unique to America.  I'm sure you will enjoy the books.  Thanks for your
interest.      Jane
>
>
> Jane Swan
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Re: [HN] Re: Johann Heinrich Grünhage n

Date: 2005/02/21 12:45:24
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Jane,
unfortunately, I do not have any information on Anna Margarethe Grünhagen 
married to Johann Heinrich Ludwig Bergmann.
Regards,
Albin von Spreckelsen

Re: [HN] Re: Johann Heinrich Grünhagen

Date: 2005/02/21 20:45:48
From: Jürgen E . W . Meyer <jew.meyer(a)online.de>

Hello Jane,
Sorry, but there is no person with such a name related to the Rotenburg Grünhagens at that time. In Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover there are "Ehestiftungen" (marriage contracts) for Amt Neustadt am Rübenberge to which Rodewald belonged for the period 1720 to 1859. Maybe among these documents you may find your ancestors. Presently I do not see any connection between the Rodewald and the Rotenburg Grünhagens.
Good luck
Jürgen
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Swan" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:06 AM
Subject: [HN] Re: Johann Heinrich Grünhagen


Jürgen and Albin: Do you know if your Johann Heinrich Grünhagen had a daughter Anna Margarethe? I have her in my tree, married to Johann Heinrich Ludwig Bergmann before 1750 when their son Johann Christoph Ludwig Bergmann was born in Rodewald. Unfortunately the churchbooks in Rodewald were destroyed in a fire so I have no further info. I know Rodewald is quite a distance from Scheesel but the elder Bergmann was a miller and they wandered. I should appreciate any info you might have on Anna Margarethe Grünhagen. Thanks. Jane


Jane Swan
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[HN] Konrad Schnable 1777 or Elizabeth Barbe Pfeiffer

Date: 2005/02/22 02:24:54
From: Jack Scott <sqp(a)axion.net>

   Looking for the parents or ancesters of Konrad Schnable a Hessian
   Hanua Jaeger about 1777.  He married Elizabeth Barbe Jaeger in Hesse
   prior to coming to Canada.
   I have a great deal on him after their arrival in Canada but nothing
   prior.   I will be in Germany this summer in July so would like to
   find as much as I can prior to that.
   He was apparently born about 1750  in Martinhagen near Kassel area.
   His military background is below.   Regards  Jack
   Schnabel Konrad      HAJ2         Hessan-Hanua Chasseur Corp S#100p10
   Kornrumpff Company

   They arrived on the military ship "Dorothy Elizabeth" from England to
   Newfoundland around and before July 12, 1777.
   Conrad was a Hessen-Hanau Jaeger serving in the Kornrumpff, later
   called Castendyck Company according to Hetrina VI numbered the 2nd
   Company Which arrived in Quebec June 1777

   Jack P. Scott,  (nee Schnob/Schnable)
   # 103 15165 Marine Dr.
   White Rock, B.C.   V4B-1C5
   Ph 604-538-1474
   Fax 604-538-2080
   Email: sqp(a)axion.net

Re: [HN] Konrad Schnable 1777 or Elizabeth Barbe Pfeiffer

Date: 2005/02/22 05:28:28
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
      If you do a Google search for "kirche Martinhagen" -  you will find a
this:  
Ev. Kirchengemeinde Martinhagen

Pfarramt Martinhagen
     Telefon (05601) 1545
     Pfarrerin Cathrin Szameit 

That is not terribly helpful, I know.  However, you might try calling there
and maybe learn where the church records are located.  The LDS only has a
few records in  the early 1800's.  It could be that earlier records are
located somewhere else.

Good luck.  
Barbara                                 




on 2/21/05 6:24 PM, Jack Scott at sqp(a)axion.net wrote:

> 
> Looking for the parents or ancesters of Konrad Schnable a Hessian
> Hanua Jaeger about 1777.  He married Elizabeth Barbe Jaeger in Hesse
> prior to coming to Canada.
> I have a great deal on him after their arrival in Canada but nothing
> prior.   I will be in Germany this summer in July so would like to
> find as much as I can prior to that.
> He was apparently born about 1750  in Martinhagen near Kassel area.
> His military background is below.   Regards  Jack
> Schnabel Konrad      HAJ2         Hessan-Hanua Chasseur Corp S#100p10
> Kornrumpff Company
> 
> They arrived on the military ship "Dorothy Elizabeth" from England to
> Newfoundland around and before July 12, 1777.
> Conrad was a Hessen-Hanau Jaeger serving in the Kornrumpff, later
> called Castendyck Company according to Hetrina VI numbered the 2nd
> Company Which arrived in Quebec June 1777
> 
> Jack P. Scott,  (nee Schnob/Schnable)
> # 103 15165 Marine Dr.
> White Rock, B.C.   V4B-1C5
> Ph 604-538-1474
> Fax 604-538-2080
> Email: sqp(a)axion.net
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[HN] Familie Hille

Date: 2005/02/22 07:05:53
From: Rudolf Hille <rudolf.hille(a)polizei.niedersachsen.de>

Guten Morgen aus Northeim.
Ich habe zufällig im Internet gelesen, daß sich Leute für die Familie Hille aus dem Solling interessieren.
Was meinen Zweig der Familie betrifft, kenne ich mich ziemlich gut aus, bis etwa 1600 zurück. Wer Fragen hat, kann mich kontakten. 
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Rudolf Hille
Carl-Orff-Weg 2
37154 Northeim

Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/22 17:06:45
From: JRodenburg <JRodenburg(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:14:49 AM Central Standard Time, 
gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au writes:


> With regards to "why did they come" - our German family came after the 
> first
> world war.  My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work.   He owned a business, but after the war and with the
> very high inflation, the business floundered.  My grandmother and her three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband.  I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany.  Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult.  My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
> 

To Marlene,
Almost exactly same situation as my wife's grandfather. Came to Chicago in 
1924. Had enough money to get my wife's grandmother and father a couple of years 
later. He did do comparatively well as tool and die man, but died about 1940. 
His wife would rather have stayed in Germany. We visited the wife's sister, 
my wife's great aunt, in East Berlin in 1977. She said they were wrong, and the 
grandfather was right, they should have come to America.

Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg
Werner (Hesse-Darmstadt), Brunkhorst (Hannover), Steinke (Pommern)
Krause (Pommern)
Schröder (Mecklenburg-Schwerin), Meyer (Hannover), Zum Mallen (Hannover) 
Röhrdanz (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)

Re: [HN] Re: Johann Heinrich Grünhagen

Date: 2005/02/22 17:42:27
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus.riecken(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
versuch euinmal, Kontakt zur Familie Grünhagen zu bekommen:
http://www.gruenhagen-chronik.de/

Viele Grüße
Klaus Riecken
www.Riecken-online.de

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jürgen E.W. Meyer" <jew.meyer(a)online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Johann Heinrich Grünhagen


> Hello Jane,
> Sorry, but there is no person with such a name related to the Rotenburg
> Grünhagens at that time.
> In Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover there are "Ehestiftungen" (marriage
contracts)
> for Amt Neustadt am Rübenberge to which Rodewald belonged for the period
> 1720 to 1859. Maybe among these documents you may find your ancestors.
> Presently I do not see any connection between the Rodewald and the
Rotenburg
> Grünhagens.
> Good luck
> Jürgen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane Swan" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:06 AM
> Subject: [HN] Re: Johann Heinrich Grünhagen
>
>
> > Jürgen and Albin:  Do you know if your Johann Heinrich Grünhagen had a
> > daughter Anna Margarethe?  I have her in my tree, married to Johann
> > Heinrich Ludwig Bergmann before 1750 when their son Johann Christoph
> > Ludwig Bergmann was born in Rodewald.  Unfortunately the churchbooks in
> > Rodewald were destroyed in a fire so I have no further info.  I know
> > Rodewald is quite a distance from Scheesel but the elder Bergmann was a
> > miller and they wandered.  I should appreciate any info you might have
on
> > Anna Margarethe Grünhagen.  Thanks.   Jane
> >
> >
> > Jane Swan
> > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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Re: [HN] Familie Hille

Date: 2005/02/22 19:29:36
From: Ingrid Gottschalk <igo(a)pro4net.de>

Hallo Herr Hille, gibt es bei Ihnen Hinweise auf einen Zusammenhang zwischen
Ihren Hille und den Harzer (Buntenbock/Clausthal/Goslar) Hillen? Sie sind in
der Ahnenliste meiner Schwiegermutter mit Wiegand verknüpft.
Gruss aus dem Rheinland
Ingrid (Gottschalk)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rudolf Hille" <rudolf.hille(a)polizei.niedersachsen.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: [HN] Familie Hille


Guten Morgen aus Northeim.
Ich habe zufällig im Internet gelesen, daß sich Leute für die Familie Hille
aus dem Solling interessieren.
Was meinen Zweig der Familie betrifft, kenne ich mich ziemlich gut aus, bis
etwa 1600 zurück. Wer Fragen hat, kann mich kontakten.
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Rudolf Hille
Carl-Orff-Weg 2
37154 Northeim
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Re: [HN] Familie Hille

Date: 2005/02/22 19:42:57
From: Ursula Schlotz-Winkel <Ursula.Schlotz(a)web.de>

   Hallo,

   ich ke= nne in Schöningen, Negenbornsiedlung, einen Herrn Wilfried
   Hille, der jahr= elang Förster in verschiedenen Orten des Harzes
   war. Könnte er dazugehören= ?

   Grüße

   Ursula


   Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)ge= nealogy.net> schrieb am 22.02.05 19:33:12:
   >
   > Hallo Herr = Hille, gibt es bei Ihnen Hinweise auf einen
   Zusammenhang zwischen
   > = Ihren Hille und den Harzer (Buntenbock/Clausthal/Goslar) Hillen?
   Sie sind = in
   > der Ahnenliste meiner Schwiegermutter mit Wiegand verknüpft.
   > Gruss aus dem Rheinland
   > Ingrid (Gottschalk)
   > ----- Or= iginal Message -----
   > From: "Rudolf Hille" <rudolf.hille(a)polize= i.niedersachsen.de>
   > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   >= ; Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:57 AM
   > Subject: [HN] Familie H= ille
   >
   >
   > Guten Morgen aus Northeim.
   > Ich habe= zufällig im Internet gelesen, daß sich Leute für die
   Familie Hille
   >= ; aus dem Solling interessieren.
   > Was meinen Zweig der Familie betr= ifft, kenne ich mich ziemlich gut
   aus, bis
   > etwa 1600 zurück. Wer F= ragen hat, kann mich kontakten.
   > Mit freundlichem Gruß
   > Rudo= lf Hille
   > Carl-Orff-Weg 2
   > 37154 Northeim
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Re: [HN] Familie Hille

Date: 2005/02/22 21:48:18
From: Ingrid Gottschalk <igo(a)pro4net.de>

Guten Abend Ursula,
weiss ich leider nicht. Warum aber nicht. Bis jetzt habe ich in Schöningen
diesen Namen noch nicht. Aber Förster, dass weiss ich aus eigenen Vorfahren,
wurden ja viel herumgeschickt. Danke für den Hinweis. Werde ich mal
versuchen.
Gute Nacht Ingrid (Gottschalk)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ursula Schlotz-Winkel" <Ursula.Schlotz(a)web.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Familie Hille



   Hallo,

   ich ke=ne in Schöningen, Negenbornsiedlung, einen Herrn Wilfried
   Hille, der jahr=lang Förster in verschiedenen Orten des Harzes
   war. Könnte er dazugehören=3F

   Grüße

   Ursula


   Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)ge=ealogy.net> schrieb am 22.02.05 19:33:12:
   >
   > Hallo Herr =ille, gibt es bei Ihnen Hinweise auf einen
   Zusammenhang zwischen
   > =hren Hille und den Harzer (Buntenbock/Clausthal/Goslar) Hillen?
   Sie sind =n
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Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/22 22:11:44
From: Yvonne Marshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

sad story , Yvonne

Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/22 23:30:25
From: Elizabeth Carpenter <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>

Hi,
My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then Illinois.
Betty in St. Louis, Missouri

GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi Jane and Yvonne,

I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to the
publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading them
also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
forward to reading the third one.

I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the Daniels,
Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc. I'm
amazed at home much history you learn along the way.

With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the first
world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with the
very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her three
children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the children
from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
five years after his family joined him.

I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late 1870's or
1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?

Must go

regards

Marlene
Brisbane, Australia



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Swan" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?


> Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far more
detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in Brisbane
has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to
Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or two
are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for your
interest. Jane
>
>
> Jane Swan
> jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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Re: [HN] My Sielehr and Thies Genealogy

Date: 2005/02/23 05:43:59
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Rick,
     
       That Sielehr name is not very common, to say the least. There is not
even one listed in the German Telephone book.  I wonder if it might be
spelled differently in various records.  Have you looked at the records for
Buer that the LDS has?  I would surely check there if you are near a LDS
center: 
    Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1808-1875  Evangelische Kirche Buer (Kr. Melle)
      
Good luck!
Barbara




on 2/20/05 2:50 PM, Merrickwagner(a)cs.com at Merrickwagner(a)cs.com wrote:

> I am looking for a connection or information to my Great Great Grandparents
> Ernst Heinrich Sielehr (DOB January 1851)and Caroline Florentina Thies (DOB
> June 10, 1852).  They list Hannover as country of origion.  Ernst has an
> emigration year of 1871 and Caroline emigrated from Bremen in late July or
> early 
> August of 1872.  Caroline arrived in Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A. on August 12,
> 1872.  Her destination was Cleveland, Ohio.  She crossed the ocean on a ship
> named Hermine.  It is possible that Ernst came from Buer.  I suspect a brother
> also emigrated to Cleveland, Ohio.  His name was Henry (Heinrich) Sielehr.
> Henry 
> listed Buer as his place of emigration. Their father's name was William
> (Wilhelm) and their mother's name was Maria Ellbrecht.  William was born in
> 1821 and 
> I suspect he emigrated in April of 1882 along with Henry.   Heinrich and
> Florentina Thies were the parents of Caroline. I have extensive genealogy of
> Ernst 
> and Caroline's descendants.  Note: Caroline also went by the name Lena.  They
> were of the Lutheran (Evangelische) faith.
> 
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Re: [HN] My Sielehr and Thies Genealogy

Date: 2005/02/23 05:54:19
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Rick,

     Have you seen this list of emigrants from Buer? Your Thies are listed
there. 

    http://www.buer-us.de/Book1_Thies.htm

     Your Sielehr is there,  spelled Sieler, but the birth place is not
given!
    
    This page will lead you to the main page--which includes various things
about Buer:
     http://www.buer-us.de/

    There is a Sielheder listed.

Barbara

   






on 2/20/05 2:50 PM, Merrickwagner(a)cs.com at Merrickwagner(a)cs.com wrote:

> I am looking for a connection or information to my Great Great Grandparents
> Ernst Heinrich Sielehr (DOB January 1851)and Caroline Florentina Thies (DOB
> June 10, 1852).  They list Hannover as country of origion.  Ernst has an
> emigration year of 1871 and Caroline emigrated from Bremen in late July or
> early 
> August of 1872.  Caroline arrived in Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A. on August 12,
> 1872.  Her destination was Cleveland, Ohio.  She crossed the ocean on a ship
> named Hermine.  It is possible that Ernst came from Buer.  I suspect a brother
> also emigrated to Cleveland, Ohio.  His name was Henry (Heinrich) Sielehr.
> Henry 
> listed Buer as his place of emigration. Their father's name was William
> (Wilhelm) and their mother's name was Maria Ellbrecht.  William was born in
> 1821 and 
> I suspect he emigrated in April of 1882 along with Henry.   Heinrich and
> Florentina Thies were the parents of Caroline. I have extensive genealogy of
> Ernst 
> and Caroline's descendants.  Note: Caroline also went by the name Lena.  They
> were of the Lutheran (Evangelische) faith.
> 
> Rick Wagner
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Re: [HN] My Sielehr and Thies Genealogy

Date: 2005/02/23 12:41:05
From: Merrickwagner <Merrickwagner(a)cs.com>

Hello Barbara,
  Thank you Barbara for the information on the website and taking the time to 
reply to my query.  I have heard from Wolfgang Dreuse, the moderator of the 
Buer website.  The information fits about 90% of what I have.  If I am able to 
find more, I will send my updated information to him.  I have been looking for 
a tie between Henry Sielehr and Ernst Sielehr in Cleveland, Ohio.  They both 
have parents with the same surnames in Germany. (Thanks to the information in 
the Buer site)  I was also able to able to tie the Thies Families together in 
Cleveland.  The only conflicting information I have on the Thies family, is my 
great grandmother Mary Sielehr Dranse stated on her mother, Caroline (Lena) 
Thies Sielehr's death certificate, that Lena's mother's name was Florentine.  
This name appears in the Buer site.  But not as Lena's mother.  Mary Dranse 
could have been mistaken. Perhaps Florentine was Lena's grandmother.  My 
inquiring mind wants to know.
  One of the biggest problems I have had, is finding the spelling variations 
of Sielehr (Sielheder).  Some examples are Sielehr, Siehler, Seiler, 
Sieler,Siller, Sielehar, Fichler, Tichler, Siegling.  Census takers, government and 
private transcribers did their jobs, but they didn't seem to be worried about how 
accurate they had to be with the spelling of surnames.  Siehler is how most 
of the records ended up after 1920. Fortunatley, because of the unique way that 
Ernst Sielehr chose to change his name, I was able to locate an entire branch 
of the family in Wisconsin.
                                                                              
                 Rick

Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/23 12:47:31
From: GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au>

Hi Elisabeth,

Do you know anything of your DANIEL line prior to going to Indiana?  Were
they from Germany?

Regards

Marlene
Brisbane, Australia


----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carpenter" <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?


> Hi,
> My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then
Illinois.
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
>
> GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Jane and Yvonne,
>
> I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
> priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
> books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to
the
> publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading them
> also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
> forward to reading the third one.
>
> I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
> priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the
Daniels,
> Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc. I'm
> amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
>
> With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the
first
> world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with the
> very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>
> I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late 1870's
or
> 1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
> America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
>
> Must go
>
> regards
>
> Marlene
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane Swan"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
> Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
>
>
> > Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
> However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far
more
> detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
> http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in Brisbane
> has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to
> Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
> ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or two
> are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for your
> interest. Jane
> >
> >
> > Jane Swan
> > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/23 13:08:59
From: GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au>

Hi John,

Thank you for your email.  I was wondering how many were affected by the
high inflation after the first world war.  I have often contemplated my
grandmother's situation and although she longed for her family and homeland,
I am sure the 2nd world war in Germany would have been a far worse situation
than the difficulties they faced in Australia, however tough they were.  In
any case my present family wouldn't exist if they hadn't come!

I also wanted to mention that I have been back and met my father's cousins
and their children.  One branch has the name 'Rodenburg'.  Otto RODENBURG
was married to Margarete DANIEL from Bederkesa.  I email the children from
this marriage who live in Hamburg.  I believe Otto was a ship's captain who
spent a lot of his life in Singapore before returning to Hamburg.  Do you
have any Otto Rodenburg's in your family tree.

Regards

Marlene


----- Original Message -----
From: <JRodenburg(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?


In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:14:49 AM Central Standard Time,
gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au writes:


> With regards to "why did they come" - our German family came after the
> first
> world war.  My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work.   He owned a business, but after the war and with
the
> very high inflation, the business floundered.  My grandmother and her
three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband.  I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany.  Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult.  My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>

To Marlene,
Almost exactly same situation as my wife's grandfather. Came to Chicago in
1924. Had enough money to get my wife's grandmother and father a couple of
years
later. He did do comparatively well as tool and die man, but died about
1940.
His wife would rather have stayed in Germany. We visited the wife's sister,
my wife's great aunt, in East Berlin in 1977. She said they were wrong, and
the
grandfather was right, they should have come to America.

Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg
Werner (Hesse-Darmstadt), Brunkhorst (Hannover), Steinke (Pommern)
Krause (Pommern)
Schröder (Mecklenburg-Schwerin), Meyer (Hannover), Zum Mallen (Hannover)
Röhrdanz (Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
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[HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/23 15:33:06
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

I would like to add to Marlene and John's emails:
As we all know, inflation comes and goes round the world in cycles of 
greater or lesser degrees.
The full horror of what Germans had to endure between the two wars was 
brought home when I watched an old film of a man recounting his experiences 
in the run up to world war II.  Inflation had got so bad the prices of 
everything were changing hourly.  There was a run on the banks with long 
queues of people withdrawing money  because they wanted to buy food and 
goods before the prices went up out of reach. Those workers who were paid by 
cheque, ran to the bank to cash them before their wage was worthless in 
terms of buying power.  He quoted the instance of when he bought a cup of 
coffee and by the time he had drunk it the price had more than doubled when 
he went to pay for it at the till.    This was why the old men who had held 
power for so long were swept aside in favour of a young man who had new 
ideas of how to stabilise the country.

Rena
in England
=
In a message dated 2/21/2005 12:14:49 AM Central Standard Time,
gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au writes:
> With regards to "why did they come" - our German family came after the
> first
> world war.  My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work.   He owned a business, but after the war and with 
> the
> very high inflation, the business floundered.  My grandmother and her 
> three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the 
> children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband.  I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany.  Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult.  My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>
To Marlene,
Almost exactly same situation as my wife's grandfather. Came to Chicago in
1924. Had enough money to get my wife's grandmother and father a couple of 
years
later. He did do comparatively well as tool and die man, but died about 
1940.
His wife would rather have stayed in Germany. We visited the wife's sister,
my wife's great aunt, in East Berlin in 1977. She said they were wrong, and 
the
grandfather was right, they should have come to America.
Viele Grüße aus Illinois
John Rodenburg

[HN] legitimierte Kinder

Date: 2005/02/23 19:44:27
From: Erika Giftge <giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
immer wieder treffe ich in den Kirchenbüchern auf Einträge, die besagen, dass ein uneheliches Kind später durch eine Heirat (vermutlich mit dem Kindsvater) legitimiert wurde. Meine Frage: Wird das Kind ab dann unter dem Namen des Vaters leben oder den Namen der Mutter beibehalten? Gibt es dazu einheitliche Verfahren, oder kann es sein, dass dies uneinheitlich gehandhabt wurde? Erika

[HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish

Date: 2005/02/23 21:47:41
From: Gary Stoltman <stopan(a)optonline.net>

Hallo List:

A fellow Stoltmann descendent named Jim Ebertowski, and myself have been trying to connect the two branches of the family together for some time now. Mine were from Hannover. His from what now is Poland. There aren't many Stoltmanns in either America or in Germany. Of those in America, about half relate to their Polish roots.

I've theorized that they all were in the Neidersachen area to begin with and that some sort of land had eventually been made available which induced his Stoltmann's to move. 

We have since learned that there is a record of Stoltmann in "Poland" since the late 1300s. We have more recently learned that a Kashubian Newsletter stated that the author found the first written text and records for the Stoltmann's appearing around Salzwedel, Germany in 1377 and that some of them migrated into the Kashubian region of Poland. 

I've been bouncing all over the internet looking for history on this area addressing this time and circumstance. 

Why did they travel to the Kashubian region? 

Any suggestions are welcome!

Thanks for your help-

Gary

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Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/23 22:26:55
From: Elizabeth Carpenter <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>

Hi,
 
No.  As far as I know, they were originally from Ireland.  I have not found positive proof of this; it is from tradition.  
 
Betty in St. Louis, Missouri

GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
Hi Elisabeth,

Do you know anything of your DANIEL line prior to going to Indiana? Were
they from Germany?

Regards

Marlene
Brisbane, Australia


----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carpenter" 
To: "Hannover-L" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?


> Hi,
> My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then
Illinois.
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
>
> GapCreek wrote:
> Hi Jane and Yvonne,
>
> I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
> priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
> books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to
the
> publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading them
> also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
> forward to reading the third one.
>
> I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
> priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the
Daniels,
> Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc. I'm
> amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
>
> With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the
first
> world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with the
> very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her three
> children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
children
> from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her three
> children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> five years after his family joined him.
>
> I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late 1870's
or
> 1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
> America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
>
> Must go
>
> regards
>
> Marlene
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane Swan"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
> Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
>
>
> > Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
> However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far
more
> detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
> http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in Brisbane
> has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them to
> Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
> ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or two
> are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for your
> interest. Jane
> >
> >
> > Jane Swan
> > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> > _______________________________________________
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[HN] Swiss info

Date: 2005/02/23 22:54:44
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

To the list,

I am wondering if any one might give us an assist in finding an E-mail
list for the area of some one we are researching. His Obituary says he
was born in Semione, Canton Ticino, Switzerland.  It is suppose to be
about four miles from the Italy-Switzerland border.  I can find Ticino
but not the town of Semione on the map.

Thanks Bob Marhenke  

Re: [HN] Swiss info

Date: 2005/02/23 23:07:48
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Bob,
    Semione will show up on Mapqwest.com.
Barbara



on 2/23/05 2:54 PM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:

> To the list,
> 
> I am wondering if any one might give us an assist in finding an E-mail
> list for the area of some one we are researching. His Obituary says he
> was born in Semione, Canton Ticino, Switzerland.  It is suppose to be
> about four miles from the Italy-Switzerland border.  I can find Ticino
> but not the town of Semione on the map.
> 
> Thanks Bob Marhenke
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] Swiss info

Date: 2005/02/23 23:42:04
From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com>

Thanks, I would also be interested in an E-mail list if any one knows of
one---Bob
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:07:26 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
> Hi Bob,
>     Semione will show up on Mapqwest.com.
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
> on 2/23/05 2:54 PM, Bob Marhenke at bobmarval(a)juno.com wrote:
> 
> > To the list,
> > 
> > I am wondering if any one might give us an assist in finding an 
> E-mail
> > list for the area of some one we are researching. His Obituary 
> says he
> > was born in Semione, Canton Ticino, Switzerland.  It is suppose to 
> be
> > about four miles from the Italy-Switzerland border.  I can find 
> Ticino
> > but not the town of Semione on the map.
> > 
> > Thanks Bob Marhenke
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 

[HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/24 02:15:42
From: Peggy Schmidt <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>

I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.

According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.  I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.

Re: [HN] Swiss info

Date: 2005/02/24 03:25:07
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Bob:

Try this URL: http://www.cyndislist.com/swiss.htm

As you scroll down you will find the following item:Mailing Lists, Newsgroups & Chat

Click on it and you will get a list of L-ists for Switzerland.

Whenever I want to find a L-ist, I Google the Area/Place-L. You usually get a close hit.

Have fun


Gale

[HN] Re: Johann Heinrich Grünhagen

Date: 2005/02/24 04:55:54
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Thank you - an interesting site.   Jane


Jane Swan
jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

Re: [HN] Swiss info

Date: 2005/02/24 05:40:01
From: Hans H. Austermuhle <auster(a)racsa.co.cr>

Hi,

Semione is part of the Blenio district in Southern Canton Ticino.


Semione Zip and name: 6714 Semione 		
   	
	
	
District :	BLENIO  / TI 	
Habitants :	281
Surface (ha) :	1042
e-mail Semione: amse(a)ticino.com

location of village: http://www.romankoch.ch/geografie/gds.asp?aktion=lage&id=44186

Regards,

Hans Austermuhle


On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:52 -0600, Bob Marhenke <bobmarval(a)juno.com> wrote:

To the list,

I am wondering if any one might give us an assist in finding an E-mail
list for the area of some one we are researching. His Obituary says he
was born in Semione, Canton Ticino, Switzerland.  It is suppose to be
about four miles from the Italy-Switzerland border.  I can find Ticino
but not the town of Semione on the map.

Thanks Bob Marhenke
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AW: [HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish

Date: 2005/02/24 06:39:44
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear Gary, 

You should contact the county archives in Salzwedel, and as well the city
archives
PLEASE TRY TO WRITE IN GERMAN

A) Altmarkkreis Salzwedel, Kreisarchiv, Karl-Marx-Str. 32, 29410 Salzwedel,
Fax 011 49 3901 25079 - 

B) Stadtarchiv, Stadtverwaltung, An der Moenchskirche 5, 29410 Salzwedel,
Fax 01149 3901 475415, E-mail: rathaus(a)salzwedel.de, site: www.salzwedel.de

Even if they should not have the answer, they will know whom to ask for
medieval 
Relocations 

Greetings from Diepholz, Niedersachsen, Lower Saxony 

Falk Liebezeit 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Stoltman
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 21:27
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish

Hallo List:

A fellow Stoltmann descendent named Jim Ebertowski, and myself have been
trying to connect the two branches of the family together for some time now.
Mine were from Hannover. His from what now is Poland. There aren't many
Stoltmanns in either America or in Germany. Of those in America, about half
relate to their Polish roots.

I've theorized that they all were in the Neidersachen area to begin with and
that some sort of land had eventually been made available which induced his
Stoltmann's to move. 

We have since learned that there is a record of Stoltmann in "Poland" since
the late 1300s. We have more recently learned that a Kashubian Newsletter
stated that the author found the first written text and records for the
Stoltmann's appearing around Salzwedel, Germany in 1377 and that some of
them migrated into the Kashubian region of Poland. 

I've been bouncing all over the internet looking for history on this area
addressing this time and circumstance. 

Why did they travel to the Kashubian region? 

Any suggestions are welcome!

Thanks for your help-

Gary



Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/24 11:54:10
From: GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au>

Thank you Betty,

Daniel appears to be a very old family name.  There are many in Germany from
were my family originate.

Kind regards

Marlene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carpenter" <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?


> Hi,
>
> No.  As far as I know, they were originally from Ireland.  I have not
found positive proof of this; it is from tradition.
>
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
>
> GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Elisabeth,
>
> Do you know anything of your DANIEL line prior to going to Indiana? Were
> they from Germany?
>
> Regards
>
> Marlene
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Carpenter"
> To: "Hannover-L"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
>
>
> > Hi,
> > My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then
> Illinois.
> > Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
> >
> > GapCreek wrote:
> > Hi Jane and Yvonne,
> >
> > I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
> > priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
> > books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to
> the
> > publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading
them
> > also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
> > forward to reading the third one.
> >
> > I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
> > priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the
> Daniels,
> > Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc.
I'm
> > amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
> >
> > With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the
> first
> > world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> > Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> > business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with
the
> > very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her
three
> > children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
> children
> > from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her
three
> > children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> > grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> > that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> > five years after his family joined him.
> >
> > I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late
1870's
> or
> > 1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
> > America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
> >
> > Must go
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Marlene
> > Brisbane, Australia
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jane Swan"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
> > Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
> > However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far
> more
> > detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
> > http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in
Brisbane
> > has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them
to
> > Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
> > ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or
two
> > are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for
your
> > interest. Jane
> > >
> > >
> > > Jane Swan
> > > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/24 17:32:10
From: Ann and Paul Kasameyer <kasameyer(a)alum.mit.edu>

Peggy Schmidt,
Unfortunately, death record notations are usually made by descendants and often represent how the village name sounded rather than how it was spelled. The LDS web site, www.familysearch.org, indicates that church records for at least two candidates for "Forde":
Germany, Preußen, Hannover, Vörden (1822-1874)
Germany, Preußen, Westfalen, Förde
If Marie married Victor in her birth town, then their marriage might be on those microfilms.

Regards, Paul Kasameyer

Peggy Schmidt wrote:

I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.

According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.  I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
_______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/24 18:42:10
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,

      There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration archives
as having emigrated from Sulingen.  There are also names of Sofie, Dorothea,
Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German phonebook lists
several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a search for the Schroeder
name, it automatically brings up the Schröder spelling.) However, there may
be several Schröders in MANY other cities.  Schroeder is a rather common
name so it becomes difficult to know which one is your ancestor!

     I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town so
small to appear on any map.  I have a very detailed Autoatlas of Germany and
there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index.  However,
there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name of Vohrde.
 
     I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more numerous.
That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the archives, but
since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to do that.  You could
also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS has.  And then, there's a
possiblity this may have not anything to do with your ancestors!

Good luck,
Barbara





on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:

> I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who
> came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family
> members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> 
> According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the
> ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family origin in
> Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was
> born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.  I
> would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/24 20:08:17
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

I have some records of Schröder in Vörden, but not the firstname "Victor".

I think Vohrde is the better idea, this small place is a part of the comunity "Scholen", about 4 miles north of Sulingen.
Scholen have also a church and is closer to Vohrde.

Here two Schröder addresses:

Schröder, Holger
  Blockwinkel 71
  27251 Scholen

Schröder GmbH & Co.
  Blockwinkel 81
  27251 Scholen

Good luck,
Werner


> Hello,

>       There is a Victor Schröder listed on the Hannover emigration
>       archives
> as having emigrated from Sulingen.  There are also names of Sofie,
> Dorothea,
> Anna, and Heinrich named as from Sulingen.  The German phonebook lists
> several Schröders in Sulingen today.  (If you do a search for the
> Schroeder
> name, it automatically brings up the Schröder spelling.) However, there
> may
> be several Schröders in MANY other cities.  Schroeder is a rather common
> name so it becomes difficult to know which one is your ancestor!

>      I have searched for the town of Forde and I would guess it is a town
>      so
> small to appear on any map.  I have a very detailed Autoatlas of Germany
> and
> there are very small towns on the map not listed in the index.  However,
> there is a tiny town to the north of Sulingen by the name of Vohrde.

>      I do not wish to mislead you about the Schröder names from Sulingen.
> There is only one Victor mentioned, but the other names are more numerous.
> That Victor is from Sulingen.  You can order records from the archives,
> but
> since there are so many Schröders, you may not want to do that.  You could
> also look at the Sulingen records that the LDS has.  And then, there's a
> possiblity this may have not anything to do with your ancestors!

> Good luck,
> Barbara





> on 2/23/05 6:15 PM, Peggy Schmidt at pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com wrote:

>> I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder
>> who
>> came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other
>> family
>> members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
>>
>> According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873
>> on the
>> ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family origin
>> in
>> Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she
>> was
>> born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.
>> I
>> would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this
>> family.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

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Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?

Date: 2005/02/24 20:33:47
From: Elizabeth Carpenter <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>

Hi,
 
Since this German aspect appeared in the DANIEL name, I am wondering if our could be German also.  
 
Actually my Daniels are only in Illinois.  The Indiana part is the inlaw part of my first Daniel.  I only go as far back as 1837 with William Henry or Harrison Daniel.
 
I'll have to keep this in mind when I get to that part of the family.  Right now I am working on my sides--SCHERLE and HESS both from Germany.
 
Betty in St. Louis, Missouri

GapCreek <gapcreek(a)qldnet.com.au> wrote:
Thank you Betty,

Daniel appears to be a very old family name. There are many in Germany from
were my family originate.

Kind regards

Marlene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elizabeth Carpenter" 
To: "Hannover-L" 
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?


> Hi,
>
> No. As far as I know, they were originally from Ireland. I have not
found positive proof of this; it is from tradition.
>
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
>
> GapCreek wrote:
> Hi Elisabeth,
>
> Do you know anything of your DANIEL line prior to going to Indiana? Were
> they from Germany?
>
> Regards
>
> Marlene
> Brisbane, Australia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elizabeth Carpenter"
> To: "Hannover-L"
> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
>
>
> > Hi,
> > My husband has DANIELS in his line; they were from Indiana and then
> Illinois.
> > Betty in St. Louis, Missouri
> >
> > GapCreek wrote:
> > Hi Jane and Yvonne,
> >
> > I'm back reading my emails again - I've been sidetracked with other
> > priorities lately. I'd like to reiterate that I did enjoy your wonderful
> > books (the first two) very much and have been meaning to get a letter to
> the
> > publishers in America to order the third. My family have been reading
them
> > also (we are a big family) and those who have read the books are looking
> > forward to reading the third one.
> >
> > I'm also looking forward in a few months (when I've sorted out the other
> > priorities) to pursuing family history projects once again, ie the
> Daniels,
> > Godes, Blickwedels, Thieles, Lindemans, Eggelings, Bruns, Graves etc.
I'm
> > amazed at home much history you learn along the way.
> >
> > With regards to "why did they come" - our german family came after the
> first
> > world war. My grandfather left the Bremen area first in 1924 and went to
> > Holland, South Africa (we think) and then Australia looking to begin a
> > business or find work. He owned a business, but after the war and with
the
> > very high inflation, the business floundered. My grandmother and her
three
> > children followed in 1929, when her father and uncle retrieved the
> children
> > from an orphanage and paid for the passage of my grandmother and her
three
> > children to join their father and husband. I have doubts that my
> > grandmother wanted to leave Germany. Life in Australia for the family at
> > that time proved to be very difficult. My grandfather was sick and died
> > five years after his family joined him.
> >
> > I think in Australia a lot of German families came out in the late
1870's
> or
> > 1880's which was when the Gode's, a branch of our German family, went to
> > America. Why were people leaving Germany at that time?
> >
> > Must go
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Marlene
> > Brisbane, Australia
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jane Swan"
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 1:39 PM
> > Subject: [HN] Re: Why did they come?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Yvonne: I'm afraid the talk would be too long to put on this list.
> > However, the best way to read about what I shall talk about (and in far
> more
> > detail) is to buy my books THE SAXON CHRONICLE See my website
> > http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net for ordering info. Marlene in
Brisbane
> > has bought them and loved them - altho it does take forever to get them
to
> > Australia. AT least 90% of the reasons they came to America are the same
> > ones that would have sent them to your side of the world. Only one or
two
> > are unique to America. I'm sure you will enjoy the books. Thanks for
your
> > interest. Jane
> > >
> > >
> > > Jane Swan
> > > jeswansong(a)earthlink.net
> > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/24 21:20:48
From: Gary Stoltman <stopan(a)optonline.net>

Hi Peggy:

Unfortunately, Forde seems to be a common name that is linked to many towns, e.g., Flensburger Forde & Ecker Forde, Germany both of which are in northwest Germany. Couldn't find exactly what it means but am sure someone on our list can explain. Good hunting

Gary Stoltman
Mercerville, NJ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Schmidt" <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: [HN] Victor Schroeder family


I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.

According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
_______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish

Date: 2005/02/24 21:47:28
From: Gary Stoltman <stopan(a)optonline.net>

Hallo Falk:

Vielen Dank für die Richtung und ich werde sicher mein Bestes machen, auf Deutsch zu schreiben!

<Thank you for the direction and I will certainly do my best to write in German!>

Gary

----- Original Message ----- From: <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:39 AM
Subject: AW: [HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish


Dear Gary,

You should contact the county archives in Salzwedel, and as well the city
archives
PLEASE TRY TO WRITE IN GERMAN

A) Altmarkkreis Salzwedel, Kreisarchiv, Karl-Marx-Str. 32, 29410 Salzwedel,
Fax 011 49 3901 25079 -

B) Stadtarchiv, Stadtverwaltung, An der Moenchskirche 5, 29410 Salzwedel,
Fax 01149 3901 475415, E-mail: rathaus(a)salzwedel.de, site: www.salzwedel.de

Even if they should not have the answer, they will know whom to ask for
medieval
Relocations

Greetings from Diepholz, Niedersachsen, Lower Saxony

Falk Liebezeit

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Gary Stoltman
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Februar 2005 21:27
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] Stoltmann's - German/Polish

Hallo List:

A fellow Stoltmann descendent named Jim Ebertowski, and myself have been
trying to connect the two branches of the family together for some time now.
Mine were from Hannover. His from what now is Poland. There aren't many
Stoltmanns in either America or in Germany. Of those in America, about half
relate to their Polish roots.

I've theorized that they all were in the Neidersachen area to begin with and
that some sort of land had eventually been made available which induced his
Stoltmann's to move.

We have since learned that there is a record of Stoltmann in "Poland" since
the late 1300s. We have more recently learned that a Kashubian Newsletter
stated that the author found the first written text and records for the
Stoltmann's appearing around Salzwedel, Germany in 1377 and that some of
them migrated into the Kashubian region of Poland.

I've been bouncing all over the internet looking for history on this area
addressing this time and circumstance.

Why did they travel to the Kashubian region?

Any suggestions are welcome!

Thanks for your help-

Gary


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Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/24 21:57:40
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de>


"Ann and Paul Kasameyer" <kasameyer(a)alum.mit.edu> schrieb:
> Peggy Schmidt,
> Unfortunately, death record notations are usually made by descendants 
> and often represent how the village name sounded rather than how it was 
> spelled. The LDS web site, www.familysearch.org, indicates that church 
> records for at least two candidates for "Forde":
> Germany, Preußen, Hannover, Vörden (1822-1874)
>  Germany, Preußen, Westfalen, Förde
> If Marie married Victor in her birth town, then their marriage might be 
> on those microfilms.
...
One should perhaps take also into consideration the towns combined with "Forde" or even "Vörde", for example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The last one was the harbour from where ships went over to America.

Greetings          Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

> 
> Regards, 
> Paul Kasameyer
> 
> Peggy Schmidt wrote:
> 
> >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> >
> >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.  I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
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Fw: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/24 22:00:36
From: Gary Stoltman <stopan(a)optonline.net>

Peggy -

It's spelled Förde and means estuary - I suppose as Fjörd is in Sweedish. This is an area where many rivers gather to run to the sea. Unfortunatly Marie didn't hand down the important 1st name. Good hunting.

Gary

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To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>; <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family


Hi Peggy:

Unfortunately, Forde seems to be a common name that is linked to many towns, e.g., Flensburger Forde & Ecker Forde, Germany both of which are in northwest Germany. Couldn't find exactly what it means but am sure someone on our list can explain. Good hunting

Gary Stoltman
Mercerville, NJ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Schmidt" <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: [HN] Victor Schroeder family


I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.

According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein". I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover. I cannot find the city of Forde at this time. I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
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Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/24 22:21:56
From: Wilfried Petersen <520090605062-0001(a)T-Online.de>

"Gary Stoltman" <stopan(a)optonline.net> schrieb:
> Hi Peggy:
> 
> Unfortunately, Forde seems to be a common name that is linked to many towns, 
> e.g., Flensburger Forde & Ecker Forde, Germany both of which are in 
> northwest Germany. Couldn't find exactly what it means but am sure someone 
> on our list can explain. Good hunting
> 
> Gary Stoltman
> Mercerville, NJ
> 
Hello Gary, hello Peggy,

Flensburger Foerde and Eckernfoerde (both with Umlaut): Foerde means a bay or creek. Its the same word like Fjord in Norwegian. Flensburger Foerde is no town, the town there is Flensburg. Eckernförde is a town. But both are not in Hannover but in Schleswig-Holstein.

Regards
Wilfried Petersen


[HN] Suche

Date: 2005/02/25 02:14:41
From: karin Sebborn <karin_anni(a)yahoo.co.nz>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
bei wem befinden sich diese Namen in der
Ahnenforschung:
Bartels-Dammann-Hink-Kolberg-Luensmann-Raethke-Schiemann-Schuetz-Stadthaus-Vorstheim-Wilkens
aus dem Raum:Altona-Beckdorf-Buxtehude_Danzig-
Dormagen-Hamburg-Hausbruch-Hollensted-Kiel-
Loehe-Marne
Herzlichen Dank
Karin (Neu Seeland)

Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.
http://au.movies.yahoo.com

[HN] Link zu FN "Welt": Kussmaul

Date: 2005/02/25 09:52:03
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Ein freundliches "Guten Morgen" in die Runden:

Hier ist der heutige Link zu dem Artikel in der "Welt" zu Familiennamen:

http://www.welt.de/data/2005/02/25/543896.html

Mit den besten Wünschen zum Wochenende

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie


[HN] SANDER HARTIG HEUER SIEVERS WIEKHORST SCHWEENS Fliegenberg Quarrendorf Hanstedt

Date: 2005/02/26 05:18:11
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

Guten Tag,
meine Vorfahren lebten in FLIEGENBERG an der Elbe (bei  Harburg bzw. Winsen  
a.d.Luhe), ehemals Königreich Hannover 
SANDER  Claus  * um 1735 
SCHULZE Christian  * um 1730
SIEVERS Nikolaus Christian * um 1740    oo mit
WIEKHORST  Anna Katharina  * um 1740
SCHWEENS Katharina Dorothea  * um  1765
.
weiterhin aus   QUARRENDORF
HARTIG Johann Peter  * um 1795
.
weiterhin aus HANSTEDT
HEUER Catherine Magdalena   *

Wer kennt diese Personen oder Familien? 
Wer forscht in FLIEGENBERG oder QUARRENDORF oder HANSTEDT
Ich würde  mich sehr über Kontaktaufnahmen freuen. 
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer H.  Wiede




[HN] Hedemünden OPPERMANN ORTIES BÜRMANN L ASPE KÖMEL SCHRADER

Date: 2005/02/26 06:37:24
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

 
Guten Tag,
meine Vorfahren lebten in HEDEMÜNDEN 
OPPERMANN Hans * um 1580  oo mit Anna
seine Schwiegertochter 
ORTIES Ilsa Elisabeth * um 1605 oo 1630 mit Wilhelm OPPERMANN *  1606
OPPERMANN Bartoldo * um 1580  oo mit Margareta
sein Schwiegersohn
BÜRMANN Hans * um 1605 oo mit Anna OPPERMANN 
LÖWER Christoph * um 1600 Vater von Christoffel OPPERMANN * 1624
LASPE Hans * um 1670 oo mit Ilsebeth Vater von LASPE Lisebeth * 1695 oo mit 
            Jost  Adam OPPERMANN * 1696
KÖMEL Friderich Christoph * 1702   oo mit Marie Cathrine  SCHRADER * 1698
SCHRADER Henricus * um 1630 Großvater der Marie Cathrine   oo mit  Margreta  
Vater von 
            Justus  (Jost) SCHRADER * 1655
.
Wer kennt diese Personen oder Familien? Ich würde mich sehr über  
Kontaktaufnahmen  -  auch von Forschern von anderen Familien von  Hedemünden  -  freuen. 
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer H.  Wiede


[HN] Atzenhausen b.Hann.Münden LÜTER KRU MMEL WEDEKIND KNÜTTEL ELEND ILSE ERBRECHT

Date: 2005/02/26 06:37:29
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

 
 
Guten Tag,
meine Vorfahren lebten in ATZENHAUSEN bei Hannoversch  Münden:
LÜTER Matthias * um 1705   oo 1731 Anna Margaretha KRUMMEL *  1709
WEDEKIND Barthold Wilhelm * um 1715 Vater von Maria Elisabeth WEDEKIND  * 
1741 
                Schwiegertochter  von Matthias LÜTER
KNÜTTEL Johann Heinrich * um 1745   oo mit BECKER Amplonia Eltern  von 
Catharina 
                Rosina  KNÜTTEL * 1770
ELEND Johann Peter * um 1750   oo mit Anna Catharina ERBRECHT 
ILSE Johann Ludwig * um 1775   oo mit Catherine Margarethe ELEND  * 1775 
Tochter von Johann Peter ELEND und Anna Catharina ERBRECHT (siehe  oben)
.
Wer kennt diese Personen oder Familien? Ich würde mich sehr über  
Kontaktaufnahmen  -  auch von Forschern von anderen Familien von  Atzenhausen  -  freuen. 
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer H.  Wiede




Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/26 11:14:58
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de>


"Hans Peter Albers" <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
...
> One should perhaps take also into consideration the > towns combined with "Forde" or even "Vörde", for > example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The last one > was the harbour from where ships went over to > America.
....
On demand of an single gentleman from the coast, I have to declare, that "Bremervörde" is not "Bremer- haven". "Bremervörde" is a small town on river Oste and "Bremerhaven" the big harbour of emmigration. Sorry for the mistake made in by a hurry.      HPA


> 
> Greetings          Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
> 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > Paul Kasameyer
> > 
> > Peggy Schmidt wrote:
> > 
> > >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > >
> > >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873 on the ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde at this time.  I would appreciate receiving any information about the ancestors of this family.
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AW: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/26 12:48:52
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear Peggy, 

You should check the complete passenger list to find out if there were more
passengers from that place traveling together. Schroeder is one of the most
common surnames in Northern Germany, it is the low German word for tailor.
So if you find other names from the same place it might help to decrease the
outlines of the area of origin.

Sincerely yours 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz
http://www.falk-liebezeit.de   

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Hans Peter Albers
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 11:04
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family



"Hans Peter Albers" <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
...
> One should perhaps take also into consideration the > towns combined with
"Forde" or even "Vörde", for > example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The last
one > was the harbour from where ships went over to > America.
....
On demand of an single gentleman from the coast, I have to declare, that
"Bremervörde" is not "Bremer- haven". "Bremervörde" is a small town on river
Oste and "Bremerhaven" the big harbour of emmigration. Sorry for the mistake
made in by a hurry.      HPA


> 
> Greetings          Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
> 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Paul Kasameyer
> > 
> > Peggy Schmidt wrote:
> > 
> > >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder
who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other
family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > >
> > >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873
on the ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family
origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie
mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde
at this time.  I would appreciate receiving any information about the
ancestors of this family.
> > >_______________________________________________
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Re: AW: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Date: 2005/02/26 17:57:14
From: Heinrich Munk <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Liebezeit, da haben Sie sich aber geirrt, ein Schroeder ist doch kein Schneider, sondern ein Tischler, Gruß Heinrich
<FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Dear Peggy, 
> 
> You should check the complete passenger list to find out if there were more
> passengers from that place traveling together. Schroeder is one of the most
> common surnames in Northern Germany, it is the low German word for tailor.
> So if you find other names from the same place it might help to decrease the
> outlines of the area of origin.
> 
> Sincerely yours 
> 
> Falk Liebezeit
> Diepholz
> http://www.falk-liebezeit.de   
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Hans Peter Albers
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 11:04
> An: Hannover-L
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> 
> 
> 
> "Hans Peter Albers" <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
> ...
> > One should perhaps take also into consideration the > towns combined with
> "Forde" or even "Vörde", for > example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The last
> one > was the harbour from where ships went over to > America.
> ....
> On demand of an single gentleman from the coast, I have to declare, that
> "Bremervörde" is not "Bremer- haven". "Bremervörde" is a small town on river
> Oste and "Bremerhaven" the big harbour of emmigration. Sorry for the mistake
> made in by a hurry.      HPA
> 
> 
> > 
> > Greetings          Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
> > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Paul Kasameyer
> > > 
> > > Peggy Schmidt wrote:
> > > 
> > > >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie Schroeder
> who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and other
> family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > > >
> > > >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 21, 1873
> on the ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the family
> origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of Marie
> mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the city of Forde
> at this time.  I would appreciate receiving any information about the
> ancestors of this family.
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >Hannover-L mailing list
> > > >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > 
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RE: [HN] Hannover Records in England

Date: 2005/02/26 18:25:27
From: Maurice Woolsoncroft <wrightcroft(a)earthlink.net>

Rena in England,

Can we visit about my English research problems from our personal Email
addresses.

I am trying to find ancestors in the Manchester-Oldham area @ 1775.  Yes, I
joined 
the Lancashire & Manchester F.H. S.  but that was no help.  

Where do you live? What is your Email address?   wrightcroft(a)earthlink.net 


Maurice Woolsoncroft
wrightcroft(a)earthlink.net




AW: [HN] Schroeder (was Victor Sch. Family)

Date: 2005/02/26 21:17:44
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Munk, 

Meinen Protest moechte ich da doch einlegen.
Vielleicht verwechseln Sie ihn mit Schnitker, der
 
dtv-Atlas Namenkunde, Vor- und Familiennamen im deutschen 
Sprachgebiet von Konrad Kunze, 3. Auflage Muenchen 2000 
S. 69 rechts, unter Abschnitt ´die Genitivendungen -(e)s, -en, -ens´
wird Schroeder mit Schneider gleichgesetzt (S. 66 nennt als ostfaelische
Spielart noch SCHRADER)

Josef Karlmann Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Woerterbuch der Deutschen
Familiennamen, 2. Aufl. Limburg an der Lahn 1963, S. 564 rechts unten: 
Schroeder, selten Schroder, auch Schroedter, Berufsname, in der Hauptsache =
Schneider, zu mittelniederdeutsch schroden, mit der Schere zzerschneiden
...
Die Formen mit d ragen jetzt weit ins Hochdeutsche hinein

Bei Schroeter (S. 567 links unten) gibt es die Bedeutungen

A) Schneider
B) in Weinbaugebieten namentlich = Weinzieher, Gemeindebeamter, der das
Ablassen und Einkellern der Weinvorraete zu besorgen hat
C) im alemannischen = Holzhauer

Weitere Bedeutungen sind gemaess der starken Bedeutungsentfaltung von
schroten vereinzelt moeglich 

Hans Bahlow, Deutsches Namenlexikon, Suhrkamp Taschenbuch, Frankfurt am Main
1985, S. 469 links Mitte:
Schroeder (norddeutsch, oft) Schroeer, Schroers, Schreurs (niederrheinisch),
auch Schrader (ostfaelisch), meint im allgemeinen den Schneider
(niederdeutsch schroden (Zirkumflex ueber dem o) ´schneiden´, wie
mitteldeutsch-oberdeutsch Schroeter zu schroten (Zirkumflex ueber dem o)).
Marburg war im Mittelalter eine ´Schneider´- Stadt, Kassel aber (an der
niederdeutsch-hochdeutschen Sprachgrenze) eine ´Schroeder´ - Stadt
Daneben galt auch die Bedeutung ´Bier- und Weinschroeder´, der den Transport
von den Brauhaeusern zu den Kellern der Verbraucher audfuehrte: ´den wein
... Ut schroden´ (Koeln, 14. Jahrhundert)
Dazu Komposita wie Brink-, Kamp-, Pohlschroeder (Westfalen).

Horst Naumann, Familiennamenbuch,
VEB Bibliographisches Institut Leipzig, 1987 
(erheblich erweiterte Ausgabe auch jetzt im Buchhandel !) S. 268
Schroeter, Schroed(t)er, Schroetter, Schroder, Schroeer, Schroer, Schrader
Berufsname, mittelhochdeutsch schrotaere (mit langem o), mittelniederdeutsch
schroder (mit langem o), schrader(mit langem a) ´Schneider; Muenzmeister;
der Faesser auf- und ablaedt´

Hjalmar Falk, Alf Torp, Etymologisk Ordbog over det norske og det danske
sprog 
(etym. Wtb. Ueber die norw. und die daen. Sprache) 
1903/1906, Nachdruck Bjoern Ringstroems Antikvariat, Oslo 1991, S. 742
rechts unten
Skraedder, altnordisch skraddari, skredderi, entlehnt aus
mittelniederdeutsch schrader
(mit langem a) <skraedder>, eigentlich Zuschneider, vergleiche
neuhochdeutsch Schneider 
<skraedder>: schneiden <skjaere>, franzoesisch tailleur <skraedder>: tailler
(schneiden).
Betreffend das zugrunde liegende Verb schraden (mit langem a)siehe die
Artikel skraa (quer)
und skraelle (schaelen). Eine Seitenform ist mittelniederdeutsch schroder
(mit langem o)
(Schneider) = mittelhochdeutsch schrotaere, abgeleitet von
mittelniederdeutsch schroden (mit langem o)
(schneiden) (hollaendisch schrooien) = althochdeutsch scrotan (mit langem
o), Seitenform von hacken, schneiden, abschneiden, zerhacken ...
 
Gruss aus Diepholz (hier sind, anders als im dtv Familiennamen, mehr als 2 %
Schroeder)

Falk Liebezeit 


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 17:56
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: AW: [HN] Victor Schroeder family

Sehr geehrter Herr Liebezeit, da haben Sie sich aber geirrt, ein Schroeder
ist doch kein Schneider, sondern ein Tischler, Gruß Heinrich
<FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Dear Peggy,
> 
> You should check the complete passenger list to find out if there were 
> more passengers from that place traveling together. Schroeder is one 
> of the most common surnames in Northern Germany, it is the low German word
for tailor.
> So if you find other names from the same place it might help to 
> decrease the outlines of the area of origin.
> 
> Sincerely yours
> 
> Falk Liebezeit
> Diepholz
> http://www.falk-liebezeit.de   
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Hans Peter 
> Albers
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 11:04
> An: Hannover-L
> Betreff: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> 
> 
> 
> "Hans Peter Albers" <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
> ...
> > One should perhaps take also into consideration the > towns combined 
> > with
> "Forde" or even "Vörde", for > example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The 
> last one > was the harbour from where ships went over to > America.
> ....
> On demand of an single gentleman from the coast, I have to declare, 
> that "Bremervörde" is not "Bremer- haven". "Bremervörde" is a small 
> town on river Oste and "Bremerhaven" the big harbour of emmigration. Sorry
for the mistake
> made in by a hurry.      HPA
> 
> 
> > 
> > Greetings          Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
> > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Paul Kasameyer
> > > 
> > > Peggy Schmidt wrote:
> > > 
> > > >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie 
> > > >Schroeder
> who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and 
> other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > > >
> > > >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 
> > > >21, 1873
> on the ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the 
> family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of 
> Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the 
> city of Forde at this time.  I would appreciate receiving any 
> information about the ancestors of this family.
> > > >_______________________________________________
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> > > >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > 
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[HN] Link zu Artikel "Deutsche Auswanderer"

Date: 2005/02/27 09:07:44
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Guten Morgen,

ganz ausser der Reihe hier ein Link zu einem Artikel aus der "Welt am Sonntag" betreffend Forschung über das Leben deutscher Auswanderer in Amerika. Ich bin sicher, dass es den einen oder anderen von Euch interessiert:

http://www.wams.de/data/2005/02/27/544856.html

Mit besten Grüssen von den völlig verschneiten Fildern

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672 Verein Computergenealogie

Re: AW: [HN] Schroeder (was Victor Sch. Family)

Date: 2005/02/27 09:35:31
From: Heinrich Munk <520076956659-0001(a)T-Online.de>

Sehr gehrter Herr Liebezeit, herzlichen Dank, nun bin ich schlauer. einen schönen Sonntag wünscht Heinrich Munk
<FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Sehr geehrter Herr Munk, 
> 
> Meinen Protest moechte ich da doch einlegen.
> Vielleicht verwechseln Sie ihn mit Schnitker, der
>  
> dtv-Atlas Namenkunde, Vor- und Familiennamen im deutschen 
> Sprachgebiet von Konrad Kunze, 3. Auflage Muenchen 2000 
> S. 69 rechts, unter Abschnitt ´die Genitivendungen -(e)s, -en, -ens´
> wird Schroeder mit Schneider gleichgesetzt (S. 66 nennt als ostfaelische
> Spielart noch SCHRADER)
> 
> Josef Karlmann Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Woerterbuch der Deutschen
> Familiennamen, 2. Aufl. Limburg an der Lahn 1963, S. 564 rechts unten: 
> Schroeder, selten Schroder, auch Schroedter, Berufsname, in der Hauptsache =
> Schneider, zu mittelniederdeutsch schroden, mit der Schere zzerschneiden
> ...
> Die Formen mit d ragen jetzt weit ins Hochdeutsche hinein
> 
> Bei Schroeter (S. 567 links unten) gibt es die Bedeutungen
> 
> A) Schneider
> B) in Weinbaugebieten namentlich = Weinzieher, Gemeindebeamter, der das
> Ablassen und Einkellern der Weinvorraete zu besorgen hat
> C) im alemannischen = Holzhauer
> 
> Weitere Bedeutungen sind gemaess der starken Bedeutungsentfaltung von
> schroten vereinzelt moeglich 
> 
> Hans Bahlow, Deutsches Namenlexikon, Suhrkamp Taschenbuch, Frankfurt am Main
> 1985, S. 469 links Mitte:
> Schroeder (norddeutsch, oft) Schroeer, Schroers, Schreurs (niederrheinisch),
> auch Schrader (ostfaelisch), meint im allgemeinen den Schneider
> (niederdeutsch schroden (Zirkumflex ueber dem o) ´schneiden´, wie
> mitteldeutsch-oberdeutsch Schroeter zu schroten (Zirkumflex ueber dem o)).
> Marburg war im Mittelalter eine ´Schneider´- Stadt, Kassel aber (an der
> niederdeutsch-hochdeutschen Sprachgrenze) eine ´Schroeder´ - Stadt
> Daneben galt auch die Bedeutung ´Bier- und Weinschroeder´, der den Transport
> von den Brauhaeusern zu den Kellern der Verbraucher audfuehrte: ´den wein
> ... Ut schroden´ (Koeln, 14. Jahrhundert)
> Dazu Komposita wie Brink-, Kamp-, Pohlschroeder (Westfalen).
> 
> Horst Naumann, Familiennamenbuch,
> VEB Bibliographisches Institut Leipzig, 1987 
> (erheblich erweiterte Ausgabe auch jetzt im Buchhandel !) S. 268
> Schroeter, Schroed(t)er, Schroetter, Schroder, Schroeer, Schroer, Schrader
> Berufsname, mittelhochdeutsch schrotaere (mit langem o), mittelniederdeutsch
> schroder (mit langem o), schrader(mit langem a) ´Schneider; Muenzmeister;
> der Faesser auf- und ablaedt´
> 
> Hjalmar Falk, Alf Torp, Etymologisk Ordbog over det norske og det danske
> sprog 
> (etym. Wtb. Ueber die norw. und die daen. Sprache) 
> 1903/1906, Nachdruck Bjoern Ringstroems Antikvariat, Oslo 1991, S. 742
> rechts unten
> Skraedder, altnordisch skraddari, skredderi, entlehnt aus
> mittelniederdeutsch schrader
> (mit langem a) <skraedder>, eigentlich Zuschneider, vergleiche
> neuhochdeutsch Schneider 
> <skraedder>: schneiden <skjaere>, franzoesisch tailleur <skraedder>: tailler
> (schneiden).
> Betreffend das zugrunde liegende Verb schraden (mit langem a)siehe die
> Artikel skraa (quer)
> und skraelle (schaelen). Eine Seitenform ist mittelniederdeutsch schroder
> (mit langem o)
> (Schneider) = mittelhochdeutsch schrotaere, abgeleitet von
> mittelniederdeutsch schroden (mit langem o)
> (schneiden) (hollaendisch schrooien) = althochdeutsch scrotan (mit langem
> o), Seitenform von hacken, schneiden, abschneiden, zerhacken ...
>  
> Gruss aus Diepholz (hier sind, anders als im dtv Familiennamen, mehr als 2 %
> Schroeder)
> 
> Falk Liebezeit 
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Heinrich Munk
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 17:56
> An: Hannover-L
> Betreff: Re: AW: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> 
> Sehr geehrter Herr Liebezeit, da haben Sie sich aber geirrt, ein Schroeder
> ist doch kein Schneider, sondern ein Tischler, Gruß Heinrich
> <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> > Dear Peggy,
> > 
> > You should check the complete passenger list to find out if there were 
> > more passengers from that place traveling together. Schroeder is one 
> > of the most common surnames in Northern Germany, it is the low German word
> for tailor.
> > So if you find other names from the same place it might help to 
> > decrease the outlines of the area of origin.
> > 
> > Sincerely yours
> > 
> > Falk Liebezeit
> > Diepholz
> > http://www.falk-liebezeit.de   
> > 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> > [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Hans Peter 
> > Albers
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 11:04
> > An: Hannover-L
> > Betreff: Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder family
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Hans Peter Albers" <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de> schrieb:
> > ...
> > > One should perhaps take also into consideration the > towns combined 
> > > with
> > "Forde" or even "Vörde", for > example "Herford" or "Bremervörde". The 
> > last one > was the harbour from where ships went over to > America.
> > ....
> > On demand of an single gentleman from the coast, I have to declare, 
> > that "Bremervörde" is not "Bremer- haven". "Bremervörde" is a small 
> > town on river Oste and "Bremerhaven" the big harbour of emmigration. Sorry
> for the mistake
> > made in by a hurry.      HPA
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Greetings          Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Paul Kasameyer
> > > > 
> > > > Peggy Schmidt wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > >I am looking for information concerning my grandmother Marie 
> > > > >Schroeder
> > who came to America with her parents, Victor and Sofie Schroeder and 
> > other family members, Sofie, Dorothea, Anna and Heinrich.
> > > > >
> > > > >According to my research they arrived in New York City on June 
> > > > >21, 1873
> > on the ship "Rhein".  I do not have any other information on the 
> > family origin in Germany except for the fact that the death notice of 
> > Marie mentioned she was born in Forde, Hannover.  I cannot find the 
> > city of Forde at this time.  I would appreciate receiving any 
> > information about the ancestors of this family.
> > > > >_______________________________________________
> > > > >Hannover-L mailing list
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > 
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[HN] Kunze - Verwohl

Date: 2005/02/27 10:04:35
From: Klaus Kunze <kj.kunze(a)T-Online.de>

  Hallo Liste,
  ich suche nach wie vor Daten über meine Vorfahren Kunze und Verwohl. 

  Kunze aus dem Weserbergland ( Heinrichshagen - Kirchbrak )
  Verwohl Kreis Holzminden ( Holenberg - Golmbach - Amelungsborn ).

  Wer hat die Namen in seiner Ahnenforschung ?

  Gruß Klaus

[HN] Beckmeier in Welsede

Date: 2005/02/27 11:23:26
From: Fritz Giese <fritz.giese(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Forscher im Umfeld von Hameln und Rinteln,

vor etwa einem Jahr hatte ich schon mal einen erfolglosen Versuch gemacht, über diese Liste eine Information zu bekommen.

Es geht um 

Wilhelmine Be(c)kmeier aus Welsede bei Hess.Odendorf
* 6.2.1865 in Welsede
oo Wilhelm Struckmeier *1865 vermutlich Schaumburg (Ostendorf)

Auf einer Taufeintragung steht noch der Name der vermutlichen Schwester oder Mutter:
Dorette Bekemeier.

Für Informationen über den/die Namen Be(c)kemeier in Welsede wäre ich sehr dankbar.

Viele Grüße aus Erftstadt
Fritz Giese



Re: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede

Date: 2005/02/27 13:15:04
From: al toennies <altoennies(a)bellsouth.net>

I noticed the posting from Fritz Giese about the couple from Welsede. I can't help there but the community is certainly of interest. My Great Grandfather and at least four of his brothers were born in Welsede or Hämelschenburg (which I think is nearby) and if anyone has any information about these communities, I would love to hear from them. My Great Great Grandfather was a royal forester and Welsede was one of his duty stations (I think).

Al in Music City
----- Original Message ----- From: "Fritz Giese" <fritz.giese(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <Lippe-Forum(a)yahoogroups.de>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:27 AM
Subject: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede


Liebe Forscher im Umfeld von Hameln und Rinteln,

vor etwa einem Jahr hatte ich schon mal einen erfolglosen Versuch gemacht, über diese Liste eine Information zu bekommen.

Es geht um

Wilhelmine Be(c)kmeier aus Welsede bei Hess.Odendorf
* 6.2.1865 in Welsede
oo Wilhelm Struckmeier *1865 vermutlich Schaumburg (Ostendorf)

Auf einer Taufeintragung steht noch der Name der vermutlichen Schwester oder Mutter:
Dorette Bekemeier.

Für Informationen über den/die Namen Be(c)kemeier in Welsede wäre ich sehr dankbar.

Viele Grüße aus Erftstadt
Fritz Giese


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Re: [HN] Kunze - Verwohl in Holzminden?

Date: 2005/02/27 14:39:55
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <Klaus-Vahlbruch(a)T-Online.de>

Klaus Kunze schrieb:
  Hallo Liste,
ich suche nach wie vor Daten über meine Vorfahren Kunze und Verwohl.
  Kunze aus dem Weserbergland ( Heinrichshagen - Kirchbrak )
  Verwohl Kreis Holzminden ( Holenberg - Golmbach - Amelungsborn ).

  Wer hat die Namen in seiner Ahnenforschung ?

  Gruß Klaus

*****************************************************************
Hallo Klaus,

nein, diese Namen habe ich nicht in meiner Forschung aber ich lese
gerade mit großer Begeisterung folgendes Buch:
----------------------------------------------
Klaus Kieckbusch
Von Ackerleuten, Hexen und Söldnern

Bürgerleben in Holzminden vor und nach Beginn des
Dreißigjährigen Krieges
Mit einer Liste der Einwohner zwischen 1598 und 1637

433 Seiten, gebunden 19,80 €
zu beziehen über:
Klaus Kieckbusch, Sollingstr. 77, D 37603 HOLZMINDEN
---------------------------------------------
Zwar lese ich nicht nach dem Namen "VERWOHL" aber mindestens an einer
Stelle: Seite 183 unter der Kapitelüberschrift:
"2.6.1 Bevölkerungszahlen und Fluktuation bei den Familiennamen"
ist zu lesen:

"Die reinen Kopfzahlen sagen nichts darüber, daß sich in den
insgesamt betrachteten Jahrzehnten bei den Familiennamen der
Einwohner relativ rege Veränderungen zeigen. Bei der tyllischen
Plünderung 1625 handelt es sich um etwa 25 Fmiliennamen, die man
zuvor in der Stadt nicht kannte. Zu diesen nun neuen Namen gehören
-als Beispiele-:
Borchers, Borsfeldt, Emmerich, Kannstein, Nauwarth,
Russelbach, Scharenberg/Sparenberg, Simen/Simon, Wendt, Wulbrandt,
Zeitz (...)
Zu jenen Namen, die 1637 ganz neu zu finden waren, zählen:
Besmer, Bohmeier/Bodemeier, Crome(n), Dreier(=Dreher), Kettelhake,
Liesner, Söftken, Verwold/Verwohld."

Das Buch bezeichnet sich selbst als "Skizze/Studie" bietet aber
gerade wegen seiner 'Punktbetrachtungen', die der Dürfigkeit
vorhandener Quellen geschuldet sind, eine Fülle von ganz
konkreten Belegen und Hinweisen, denen je ein Forscher sodann, ganz
nach eigenem Bedarf, selbständig nachzugehen hätte.

Für jeden der in und um Holzminden herum forscht, ein
richtiges MUSS-Buch, für alle anderen Niedersachsenforscher eine
sehr nützliche Bereicherung für allerlei Hintergrund und
vor allem ein Fenster in die Vor-Kirchenbuch-Zeit.

Viele Grüße
Klaus (Vahlbruch) aus Deizisau - Baden-Württemberg


Re: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede

Date: 2005/02/27 14:44:03
From: Neil Heimsoth <heimat(a)iland.net>

My GGrandparents Friedrich Kipp and Lisette Hundertmark and family came from
Welsede in the 1850's and settled near Pyrmont in Morgan County, Missouri.
Other names in my Kipp line are:  Knappwost, Lücke, Fricke, Stukenbrock,
Marten, Pieper, Beeke, Stöcker, Bönig, Harland, Sievers, Kuckuck, Cante,
Stolte, Mundhenke, Meerwitte, Kuhlmann, Harland, Albert, Beker, Kifenig,
Beermann, Schaper, Sprute, Roddau, Fischer, Thode, Niemeyer.  All of these
are from the Welsede, Hamelschenburg area.
The Welsede mentioned in the Giese message is located near Odendorf and is
not the same town as the one near Hamelschenburg.  Welsede is located in a
beautiful area and I would highly recommend you go there.  The old castle at
Hamelschenburg is right beside the highway and the little chapel across the
road is where all my relatives from Welsede attended church.
Best wishes,
Neil Heimsoth
Cole Camp, Mo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "al toennies" <altoennies(a)bellsouth.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede


> I noticed the posting from Fritz Giese about the couple from Welsede.  I
> can't help there but the community is certainly of interest.  My Great
> Grandfather and at least four of his brothers were born in Welsede or
> Hämelschenburg (which I think is nearby) and if anyone has any information
> about these communities, I would love to hear from them.  My Great Great
> Grandfather was a royal forester and Welsede was one of his duty stations
(I
> think).
>
> Al in Music City
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fritz Giese" <fritz.giese(a)t-online.de>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Cc: <Lippe-Forum(a)yahoogroups.de>
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:27 AM
> Subject: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede
>
>
> Liebe Forscher im Umfeld von Hameln und Rinteln,
>
> vor etwa einem Jahr hatte ich schon mal einen erfolglosen Versuch gemacht,
> über diese Liste eine Information zu bekommen.
>
> Es geht um
>
> Wilhelmine Be(c)kmeier aus Welsede bei Hess.Odendorf
> * 6.2.1865 in Welsede
> oo Wilhelm Struckmeier *1865 vermutlich Schaumburg (Ostendorf)
>
> Auf einer Taufeintragung steht noch der Name der vermutlichen Schwester
oder
> Mutter:
> Dorette Bekemeier.
>
> Für Informationen über den/die Namen Be(c)kemeier in Welsede wäre ich sehr
> dankbar.
>
> Viele Grüße aus Erftstadt
> Fritz Giese
>
>
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[HN] kielmeier

Date: 2005/02/27 16:48:53
From: lutz Kielmeier <lutz.kielmeier(a)t-online.de>

Kennt irgenjemand einen kielmeier in deutschland oder irgenwo auf der
welt
Ich weiß nur das der name recht selten ist in deutschland jedenfalls in
dieser shreibweise.
 
 
Mit freundlichen grüßen 
 
Lutz kielmeier

RE: [HN] Namen, nach denen ich forsche

Date: 2005/02/27 17:54:19
From: j.renzenbrink <j.renzenbrink(a)xs4all.nl>


The name Tappe frequently occurs in my family tree. This Tappe family comes
from a small village named Engter, 20 km North of  the city Osnabruck.

If anybody would have any information about the RENZENBRINK name - in
Germany or in the USA - your input would be greatly appreciated.

Greetings, Johanna Renzenbrink
The surname of my grandfather was WENDT and the surname of his wife was
TAPPE.  They came to America in the mid 1800's.  I noticed these names  on
this
list and wonder if there was any informaiton on them.  They came  from some
town
in the Kingdom of Hannover.  His name was August Wendt and  his father was
Henry Wendt.  Any help would be highly appreciated.

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RE: [HN] Re: Website for Osnabruck, Hannover, Wolfenbuttel emmigration

Date: 2005/02/27 17:56:37
From: j.renzenbrink <j.renzenbrink(a)xs4all.nl>


-----Hello Barbara,
Could you please search for the name Rensenbrink/Renzenbrink/Rentzenbrink.
 Thank you,
Johanna Renzenbrink
Hello,
    You really need to search for a specific surname.  Did you see the
directions on the Hannover list for searching the Archives?  Tell me the
name you are searching for and maybe I can help.
Barbara



on 1/14/05 10:40 PM, Ken Thompson at kthompsn(a)springmail.com wrote:

> I'd THOUGHT that i could read German, but am also having problems with
this
> site.  Have sent some of the terms to the LEO dictionary/translator, and
> gotten no-hit replies.  If someone could explain  the abbreviations,
please?
> A few of the location abbreviations i can recognize (Mep = Meppen, Lin =
> Lingen).  I'm searching the Osnabrueck archive, trying to find
Auswanderern
> from Baccum/Lingen & Ostercappeln.
>
> Kenneth Thompson
> Moline Acres (north StLouis County) MO USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:45:16 -0600
> From: "darlene baltus" <dbaltus(a)2z.net>
> Subject: [HN] Website for Osnabruck, Hannover, Wolfenbuttel
> emmigration records
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
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>
> I made it thru the surname part of the directions.  Now I am trying to
find
> the name of the town.  In the directions, it says finding what area the
person
> comes from is not easy. How true! On the Hannover site, it often names a
town
> right in the code.  I am back on the page where I first clicked on Index,
this
> time I click on Gliederung.  Nothing happens except for a one line in
German
> that I don't recognize as a town.  It does not give a list of numbers that
can
> be matched up.  What do I need to do differently?  thanks for any help!
The
> web site is http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
>
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Re: [HN] Re: Website for Osnabruck, Hannover, Wolfenbuttel emmigration

Date: 2005/02/27 18:54:07
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Johanna,

      There are two entries for Rensenbrink in the Osnabrück emigration
archives:

  Rensenbrink s. a. Renzenbrink
  Rensenbrink, Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm

      Both are listed as from Engter

Barbara




on 2/27/05 9:23 AM, j.renzenbrink(a)xs4all.nl at j.renzenbrink(a)xs4all.nl
wrote:

> 
> 
> -----Hello Barbara,
> Could you please search for the name Rensenbrink/Renzenbrink/Rentzenbrink.
> Thank you,
> Johanna Renzenbrink
> Hello,
> You really need to search for a specific surname.  Did you see the
> directions on the Hannover list for searching the Archives?  Tell me the
> name you are searching for and maybe I can help.
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
> on 1/14/05 10:40 PM, Ken Thompson at kthompsn(a)springmail.com wrote:
> 
>> I'd THOUGHT that i could read German, but am also having problems with
> this
>> site.  Have sent some of the terms to the LEO dictionary/translator, and
>> gotten no-hit replies.  If someone could explain  the abbreviations,
> please?
>> A few of the location abbreviations i can recognize (Mep = Meppen, Lin =
>> Lingen).  I'm searching the Osnabrueck archive, trying to find
> Auswanderern
>> from Baccum/Lingen & Ostercappeln.
>> 
>> Kenneth Thompson
>> Moline Acres (north StLouis County) MO USA
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:45:16 -0600
>> From: "darlene baltus" <dbaltus(a)2z.net>
>> Subject: [HN] Website for Osnabruck, Hannover, Wolfenbuttel
>> emmigration records
>> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Message-ID: <001001c4faac$51f8df40$50e83d40(a)d920n01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> I made it thru the surname part of the directions.  Now I am trying to
> find
>> the name of the town.  In the directions, it says finding what area the
> person
>> comes from is not easy. How true! On the Hannover site, it often names a
> town
>> right in the code.  I am back on the page where I first clicked on Index,
> this
>> time I click on Gliederung.  Nothing happens except for a one line in
> German
>> that I don't recognize as a town.  It does not give a list of numbers that
> can
>> be matched up.  What do I need to do differently?  thanks for any help!
> The
>> web site is http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
>> 
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[HN] Welsede

Date: 2005/02/27 19:38:07
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

For what it's worth--

      There are two villages by the name of Welsede:
      one near Hessich-Oldendorf
      one between Hämelschenburg and Bad Pyrmont

     Interesting website:  http://www.welsede.de/links.html

Barbara



on 2/27/05 5:13 AM, al toennies at altoennies(a)bellsouth.net wrote:

> Hämelschenburg


Re: [HN] Kunze - Verwohl

Date: 2005/02/27 19:42:06
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Klaus,
ich habe eine Susanne Kunze, + 15-5-1725 in Osterwieck, oo mit Bastian Eckleben. Wenn Iinnteressant, melde Dich
mfg
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn, Hegelstrasse 26, 73431 Aalen


Klaus Kunze schrieb:
  Hallo Liste,
ich suche nach wie vor Daten über meine Vorfahren Kunze und Verwohl.
  Kunze aus dem Weserbergland ( Heinrichshagen - Kirchbrak )
  Verwohl Kreis Holzminden ( Holenberg - Golmbach - Amelungsborn ).

  Wer hat die Namen in seiner Ahnenforschung ?

  Gruß Klaus
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Re: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede

Date: 2005/02/27 21:47:43
From: al toennies <altoennies(a)bellsouth.net>

Thanks Neil and Barbara - I didn't know there was more than one. The only names I have from my family's days in Welsede, Neil, are the Godparents to the children born there and the few that aren't family don't match with any of the names you have provided. I was hoping to find some kind of community records for Welsede (tax or muster rolls, maps of land, etc.) I guess some German towns had them and the ones that I have seen are very helpful. In the absence of that I guess I would have to look for a local historian. Thanks.

Al in Music City
----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Heimsoth" <heimat(a)iland.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede


My GGrandparents Friedrich Kipp and Lisette Hundertmark and family came from
Welsede in the 1850's and settled near Pyrmont in Morgan County, Missouri.
Other names in my Kipp line are:  Knappwost, Lücke, Fricke, Stukenbrock,
Marten, Pieper, Beeke, Stöcker, Bönig, Harland, Sievers, Kuckuck, Cante,
Stolte, Mundhenke, Meerwitte, Kuhlmann, Harland, Albert, Beker, Kifenig,
Beermann, Schaper, Sprute, Roddau, Fischer, Thode, Niemeyer.  All of these
are from the Welsede, Hamelschenburg area.
The Welsede mentioned in the Giese message is located near Odendorf and is
not the same town as the one near Hamelschenburg.  Welsede is located in a
beautiful area and I would highly recommend you go there. The old castle at Hamelschenburg is right beside the highway and the little chapel across the
road is where all my relatives from Welsede attended church.
Best wishes,
Neil Heimsoth
Cole Camp, Mo
----- Original Message ----- From: "al toennies" <altoennies(a)bellsouth.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede


I noticed the posting from Fritz Giese about the couple from Welsede.  I
can't help there but the community is certainly of interest.  My Great
Grandfather and at least four of his brothers were born in Welsede or
Hämelschenburg (which I think is nearby) and if anyone has any information
about these communities, I would love to hear from them.  My Great Great
Grandfather was a royal forester and Welsede was one of his duty stations
(I
think).

Al in Music City
----- Original Message ----- From: "Fritz Giese" <fritz.giese(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <Lippe-Forum(a)yahoogroups.de>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:27 AM
Subject: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede


Liebe Forscher im Umfeld von Hameln und Rinteln,

vor etwa einem Jahr hatte ich schon mal einen erfolglosen Versuch gemacht,
über diese Liste eine Information zu bekommen.

Es geht um

Wilhelmine Be(c)kmeier aus Welsede bei Hess.Odendorf
* 6.2.1865 in Welsede
oo Wilhelm Struckmeier *1865 vermutlich Schaumburg (Ostendorf)

Auf einer Taufeintragung steht noch der Name der vermutlichen Schwester
oder
Mutter:
Dorette Bekemeier.

Für Informationen über den/die Namen Be(c)kemeier in Welsede wäre ich sehr
dankbar.

Viele Grüße aus Erftstadt
Fritz Giese


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Re: [HN] kielmeier

Date: 2005/02/27 23:52:10
From: Wilfried Petersen <520090605062-0001(a)T-Online.de>

"lutz Kielmeier" <lutz.kielmeier(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Kennt irgenjemand einen kielmeier in deutschland oder irgenwo auf der
> welt
> Ich weiß nur das der name recht selten ist in deutschland jedenfalls in
> dieser shreibweise.
>  
>  
Hallo Herr Kielmeier,

in einer Telefon-CD von Deutschlend (2002) fand ich 2 Kielmeier:

Klaus P. Kielmeier, Tonhallenstr. 21, 47051 Duisburg, 
Tel.:(02 03) 2 47 48

Lutz Kielmeier, Dorfaue 1 A, 16767 Leegebruch, 
Tel.:(0 33 04) 25 08 75

Frdl. Gruß
Wilfried Petersen


[HN] Introduction/Ollmann and Sonneborn Families - Introduction/Ollmann und Sonneborn Familien

Date: 2005/02/28 01:32:25
From: Erin Worsham <ojaierin(a)comcast.net>

Dear List:
 
My name is Erin Worsham and I live in the US.  I am currently
researching the ancestry of my German family from my maternal
Grandfather’s side.  I have several surnames that lead my back to
Hannover but I am having challenges getting past the records I have for
them in the US.  If anyone can help me I would really appreciate it.  I
will be sending some details on those member of my family from Hannover
and their children in a separate email because it is apparently too big
when it’s all together.  The text below is from an on-line translation –
I would love to hear from someone who knows both German and English how
well it did.
 
Thanks!
 
Erin
 
Liebe List: 
 
Mein Name ist Erin Worsham und ich lebe in den US. Ich erforsche z.Z.
das Geschlecht meiner deutschen Familie von der Seite meines
mütterlichen Großvaters. Ich habe einige Familiennameen, die mein zurück
zu Hannover führen, aber ich habe Herausforderungen, hinter den
Aufzeichnungen zu erhalten, die ich für sie in den US habe. Wenn
jedermann mir helfen kann, würde ich es wirklich schätzen. Ich werde
einigen Details über jene Mitglied meiner Familie von Hannover und ihrer
Kinder in einem unterschiedlichen email schicken, weil es anscheinend zu
groß ist, wenn aller es zusammen ist. Der Text folgend ist von einer
on-line-Übersetzung - ich würde lieben, von jemand zu hören, das deutsch
spricht und Englisch, wie gut es. 
 
Danke! 
 
Erin

[HN] Ollmann Family Information - Ollmann Familie Informationen

Date: 2005/02/28 01:40:34
From: Erin Worsham <ojaierin(a)comcast.net>

Here is my Ollman Family information.  Any help is greatly appreciated.
My information says this family originated in Hannover.
 
William (Wilhelm) Ollman or Ollmann or Ohlmann – born January 1841
Hannover, died unknown in Illinois, USA, emigrated 1866 to Wisconsin,
USA,
            Wife: Caroline or Carlina or Carolina Runke – born May 1842
in Hannover, died unknown in Illinois, USA, emigrated 1866 to Wisconsin,
USA, married before emigration
 
            Children:  William Ollman born 1866 in Hannover, died before
1880 in Wisconsin or Illinois, USA
                          Emma M. Ollman – born July 1869 in Wisconsin,
USA, died unknown Illinois, USA, married John Schuette on 18 March 1891
in Illinois, USA
                          Albert Henry Ollman – born 7 October 1871 in
Wisconsin, USA, died 30 August 1949 in Colorado, USA, married Mary
Sophia Runge on 13 June 1895 in Illinois.
                          Wilhelmina Louise Ollman – born 1873 in
Wisconsin, USA, died 31 January 1931 in Illinois, USA, married Reuben
Baker on 9 Sepetmber 1891 in Illinois.
                          Henry Ollman – born 26 March 1875 Wisconsin,
died April 1971 Wisconsin, USA, married Minnie about 1899 in Illinois,
USA.
                          Lydia Louise Ollman – born February 1877 in
Wisconsin, died unknown, married Gottfried Christopher Stecher on 9 June
1897 in Illinois, USA
                          Alice Olive Ollman – born April 1879
Wisconsin, died unknown in South Dakota, married William Freeman
Starbuck on 6 October 1900 in Illinois, USA
                          Edward Ollman – born April 1879 in Illinois
                          Clara Ollman – born July 1883 in Illinois
                          Louis Benjamin Ollman – born 14 May 1886 in
Illinois, died December 1968 in Illinois, married Clara
                          Pearl Ollman – born August 1889 in Illinois
 
Sind hier meine Ollman Familie Informationen. Jede mögliche Hilfe wird
groß geschätzt. Meine Informationen sagen diese Familie, die in Hannover
entstanden wird.
 
William (Wilhelm), die Ollman oder Ollmann oder Ohlmann - Januar 1841
Hannover, gestorbenes Unbekanntes in Illinois, USA, wanderte 1866
getragen wurden, zu Wisconsin, USA
Frau aus: Caroline oder Carlina oder Carolina Runke -, das Mai 1842 in
Hannover, gestorbenes Unbekanntes in Illinois, USA, wanderte 1866
getragen wurde, zu Wisconsin, USA aus, verbunden vor Auswanderung 
 
Kinder: 
 
William Ollman, das 1866 in Hannover, gestorben vor 1880 in Wisconsin
oder in Illinois, USA 
Emma M. geborenes getragen wurde Ollman - Juli 1869 in Wisconsin, USA,
starb unbekanntes Illinois, USA, verheirateter John Schuette am März 18
1891 in Illinois, USA 
Albert Henry Ollman - geboren Oktober 7 1871 in Wisconsin, USA, starb
August 30 1949 in Kolorado, USA, verheirateter Mary Sophia Runge am Juni
13 1895 in Illinois. 
Wilhelmina Louise getragenes Ollman - 1873 in Wisconsin, starben USA,
Januar 31 1931 in Illinois, USA, verbundener Reuben Bäcker auf 9
Sepetmber 1891 in Illinois. 
Henry Ollman -, das März 26 1875 Wisconsin, gestorben April 1971
Wisconsin, USA getragen wurde, verband Minnie über 1899 in Illinois,
USA. 
Lydia Louise Ollman - getragen Februar 1877 in Wisconsin, gestorbenes
Unbekanntes, verbundenes Gottfried Christopher Stecher am Juni 9 1897 in
Illinois, USA 
Alice Olivgrünes Ollman - getragen April 1879 Wisconsin, starb
Unbekanntes in South Dakota, verbundener William Ehrenbürger Starbuck am
Oktober 6 1900 in Illinois, USA 
Edward Ollman - getragen April 1879 in Illinois Clara Ollman - getragen
Juli 1883 in Illinois 
Louis Benjamin Ollman - getragen Mai 14 1886 in Illinois, gestorben
Dezember 1968 in Illinois, in verbundener Clara
 Perle Ollman - getragen August 1889 in Illinois

[HN] My Sonneborn Family

Date: 2005/02/28 01:44:21
From: Erin Worsham <ojaierin(a)comcast.net>

Here is the information on my Sonneborn family.  Again, all of my US
based information says they originated in Hannover.  Both of these
families also share some connection with the Runge surname.  Because of
the size I will send it separately in German.  Thanks, Erin
 
Freiderich Sonneborn - born 7 March 1817 in Hannover, died 21 June 1886
in Illinois, USA, emigrated sometime before 1860
            Wife: Louise or Luise - born 2 February 1824 in Hannover,
died 14 March 1885 in Illinois, USA, emigrated sometime before 1860,
married in Germany.
 
            Children:  August Sonneborn - born 10 November 1843 in
Hannover died 18 November 1843 (buried at sea)
                          Frederick Sonneborn - born 7 March 1846 in
Hannover, died October 1847 in Germany
                          William Sonneborn - born 2 July 1848 in
Hannover, died 15 December 1868 in Palatine, Illinois, USA
                          Wilhelmina Sonneborn - born 15 December 1851
in Hannover, died 12 June 1912 in Illinois, USA, married Henry F. Runge
on 19 January 1871.
                          Sophia L. Sonneborn - born 2 February 1853 in
Hannover, died 6 July 1938 Elgin, Illinois, USA, married Charles
Marckhoff on 29 March 1870.
                          Louise Sonneborn - born 17 June 1855 Illinois,
USA, died 15 March 1865, Illinois, USA
                          Caroline Sonneborn - born 4 February 1858
Illinois, USA, died 11 March 1865 Illinois, USA
                          Emma Sonneborn - born 2 June 1863, Illinois,
USA, died 15 March 1865, Illinois, USA
                          Emma Sonneborn - born 3 August 1865.
 
 

[HN] My Ollman Family - English Version

Date: 2005/02/28 01:47:22
From: Erin Worsham <ojaierin(a)comcast.net>

Here is my Ollman Family information.  Any help is greatly appreciated.
My information says this family originated in Hannover.
 
William (Wilhelm) Ollman or Ollmann or Ohlmann - born January 1841
Hannover, died unknown in Illinois, USA, emigrated 1866 to Wisconsin,
USA,
            Wife: Caroline or Carlina or Carolina Runke - born May 1842
in Hannover, died unknown in Illinois, USA, emigrated 1866 to Wisconsin,
USA, married before emigration
 
            Children:  William Ollman born 1866 in Hannover, died before
1880 in Wisconsin or Illinois, USA
                          Emma M. Ollman - born July 1869 in Wisconsin,
USA, died unknown Illinois, USA, married John Schuette on 18 March 1891
in Illinois, USA
                          Albert Henry Ollman - born 7 October 1871 in
Wisconsin, USA, died 30 August 1949 in Colorado, USA, married Mary
Sophia Runge on 13 June 1895 in Illinois.
                          Wilhelmina Louise Ollman - born 1873 in
Wisconsin, USA, died 31 January 1931 in Illinois, USA, married Reuben
Baker on 9 Sepetmber 1891 in Illinois.
                          Henry Ollman - born 26 March 1875 Wisconsin,
died April 1971 Wisconsin, USA, married Minnie about 1899 in Illinois,
USA.
                          Lydia Louise Ollman - born February 1877 in
Wisconsin, died unknown, married Gottfried Christopher Stecher on 9 June
1897 in Illinois, USA
                          Alice Olive Ollman - born April 1879
Wisconsin, died unknown in South Dakota, married William Freeman
Starbuck on 6 October 1900 in Illinois, USA
                          Edward Ollman - born April 1879 in Illinois
                          Clara Ollman - born July 1883 in Illinois
                          Louis Benjamin Ollman - born 14 May 1886 in
Illinois, died December 1968 in Illinois, married Clara
                          Pearl Ollman - born August 1889 in Illinois
 

[HN] Meine Ollmann Familie

Date: 2005/02/28 01:47:40
From: Erin Worsham <ojaierin(a)comcast.net>

Sind hier meine Ollman Familie Informationen. Jede mögliche Hilfe wird
groß geschätzt. Meine Informationen sagen diese Familie, die in Hannover
entstanden wird.
 
William (Wilhelm), die Ollman oder Ollmann oder Ohlmann - Januar 1841
Hannover, gestorbenes Unbekanntes in Illinois, USA, wanderte 1866
getragen wurden, zu Wisconsin, USA
Frau aus: Caroline oder Carlina oder Carolina Runke -, das Mai 1842 in
Hannover, gestorbenes Unbekanntes in Illinois, USA, wanderte 1866
getragen wurde, zu Wisconsin, USA aus, verbunden vor Auswanderung 
 
Kinder: 
 
William Ollman, das 1866 in Hannover, gestorben vor 1880 in Wisconsin
oder in Illinois, USA 
Emma M. geborenes getragen wurde Ollman - Juli 1869 in Wisconsin, USA,
starb unbekanntes Illinois, USA, verheirateter John Schuette am März 18
1891 in Illinois, USA 
Albert Henry Ollman - geboren Oktober 7 1871 in Wisconsin, USA, starb
August 30 1949 in Kolorado, USA, verheirateter Mary Sophia Runge am Juni
13 1895 in Illinois. 
Wilhelmina Louise getragenes Ollman - 1873 in Wisconsin, starben USA,
Januar 31 1931 in Illinois, USA, verbundener Reuben Bäcker auf 9
Sepetmber 1891 in Illinois. 
Henry Ollman -, das März 26 1875 Wisconsin, gestorben April 1971
Wisconsin, USA getragen wurde, verband Minnie über 1899 in Illinois,
USA. 
Lydia Louise Ollman - getragen Februar 1877 in Wisconsin, gestorbenes
Unbekanntes, verbundenes Gottfried Christopher Stecher am Juni 9 1897 in
Illinois, USA 
Alice Olivgrünes Ollman - getragen April 1879 Wisconsin, starb
Unbekanntes in South Dakota, verbundener William Ehrenbürger Starbuck am
Oktober 6 1900 in Illinois, USA 
Edward Ollman - getragen April 1879 in Illinois Clara Ollman - getragen
Juli 1883 in Illinois 
Louis Benjamin Ollman - getragen Mai 14 1886 in Illinois, gestorben
Dezember 1968 in Illinois, in verbundener Clara
 Perle Ollman - getragen August 1889 in Illinois
 

[HN] Meine Familie Sonneborn

Date: 2005/02/28 01:47:47
From: Erin Worsham <ojaierin(a)comcast.net>

Sind hier die Informationen über meine Sonneborn Familie. Wieder sagt
alle die meine US gegründeten Informationen, daß sie in Hannover
entstanden. Beide dieser Familien teilen auch etwas Anschluß mit dem
Runge Familiennameen. Dank, Erin
 
Freiderich Sonneborn -, das März 7 1817 in Hannover, gestorben Juni 21
1886 in Illinois, in USA getragen wurde, wanderte einmal vor 1860
Frau  aus: Louise oder Luise -, die Februar 2 1824 in Hannover,
gestorben März 14 1885 in Illinois, in USA getragen wurde, wanderte
einmal vor 1860 aus, verbunden in Deutschland. 
 
Kinder: 
August Sonneborn -, das November 10 1843 in Hannover getragen wurde,
starb November 18 1843 (begraben am Meer) 
Frederick Sonneborn - getragen März 7 1846 in Hannover, gestorben
Oktober 1847 in Deutschland 
William Sonneborn - getragen Juli 2 1848 in Hannover, gestorben Dezember
15 1868 in der Pfalz, Illinois, USA 
Wilhelmina Sonneborn - getragen Dezember 15 1851 in Hannover, starb Juni
12 1912 in Illinois, USA, verbunden Henry F. Runge am Januar 19 1871. 
Sophia L. Sonneborn -, das Februar 2 1853 in Hannover, gestorben Juli 6
1938 Elgin, Illinois, USA geboren war, heiratete Charles Marckhoff am
März 29 1870. 
Louise getragenes Sonneborn - Juni 17 1855 Illinois, USA, starb März 15
1865, Illinois, USA 
Caroline Sonneborn - getragen Februar 4 1858 Illinois, USA, starb März
11 1865 Illinois, USA 
Emma getragenes Sonneborn - Juni 2 1863, Illinois, USA, starb März 15
1865, Illinois, USA 
Emma Sonneborn - getragen August 3 1865.
 
 

[HN] Re: Website for emigration records

Date: 2005/02/28 05:31:49
From: Jane Swan <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>

Darlene:  If you are looking on the Hannover list, try hitting Konkordance instead of Gliederung.  That brings up the list.  (the other 2 are different, I believe)  And FYI, I checked with the archiv and it is quite expensive because of the Euro being so high against the dollar - 19 Euros per quarter hour of research!!!  But by comparing the numbers, you can at least make an educated guess as to who travelled together.  Not much, but a little something.  Good luck.     Jane


Jane Swan
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Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

AW: [HN] kielmeier

Date: 2005/02/28 09:05:38
From: lutz Kielmeier <lutz.kielmeier(a)t-online.de>

Ja der eine ist mein vater und der andere bin ich

Vielen dank für ihre mühe

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Lutz kielmeier

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Wilfried
Petersen
Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Februar 2005 23:38
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] kielmeier

"lutz Kielmeier" <lutz.kielmeier(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Kennt irgenjemand einen kielmeier in deutschland oder irgenwo auf der
> welt
> Ich weiß nur das der name recht selten ist in deutschland jedenfalls
in
> dieser shreibweise.
>  
>  
Hallo Herr Kielmeier,

in einer Telefon-CD von Deutschlend (2002) fand ich 2 Kielmeier:

Klaus P. Kielmeier, Tonhallenstr. 21, 47051 Duisburg, 
Tel.:(02 03) 2 47 48

Lutz Kielmeier, Dorfaue 1 A, 16767 Leegebruch, 
Tel.:(0 33 04) 25 08 75

Frdl. Gruß
Wilfried Petersen

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Re: AW: [HN] kielmeier

Date: 2005/02/28 12:03:05
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

Hallo Herr Kielmeier,
 
versuchen Sie doch mal andere "Meier"-Schreibweisen, das wurde früher nicht  
so eng gesehen. 
Könnte es sein, dass Ihr Name süddeutschen Ursprungs ist - ai, ay.
 
Die Standesbeamten und Pfarrer sahen das früher nicht so eng. 
Ich habe selbst noch ein älteres Ehepaar gekannt, Heirat 1938, der Name des  
Mannes war laut Ausweis und Heiratsurkunde: ...meier, der Name der Ehefrau:  
...meyer.
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen!
 
Brigitte Jahnke

[HN] Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden

Date: 2005/02/28 14:03:40
From: Bob & Marilyn Thaden <bmthaden(a)midrivers.com>

Liebe Freunden,

Mein Urgrossvater war Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden, in Aurich on 8 August, 1839
geboren. Er und seine Frau, Johanna Christina Amelia Wilkens da wohnten,
und waren an 22 Oktober 1859 verheiratet. Mein Grossvater war einer ihren
Sohnen, Eilert Ludwig Thaden.

Ich will wissen, wer die Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden waren, und auch
seine Geschwestern. Ich habe gelesen, daß die Eltern waren in Hannover
geboren.
Mit diese Information konnen wir eine Vebindung finden, zwischen uns
und Frerich und Johanne Thaden in Aurich, Ostfriesland, mit wem wir haben im
Sommer 2000 ein Paar Tage gewohnt. Sehr nette Leute, zwar!

Danke sehr. Meine Englisch, naturlich, ist ganz besser als mein Deutsch.
Aber Sie konnen uns mit jede Sprache schreiben.

bis dann,

Bob


Re: [HN] WENDT

Date: 2005/02/28 15:26:24
From: RHWiede <RHWiede(a)aol.com>

Hi Johanna,
the great grandfather of my great grandmother (!) Hans Georg Friedrich  WIEDE 
was married to Anna Maria WENDT * 1765 unknown where + 17-2-1832 in  
Neulingen near Salzwedel (Altmark). All attempts to link her to other WENDT  persons 
of that area failed so far. Apparently there are no links to your WENDT  
forefathers.
Kind regards
Rainer
.
Der Urgroßvater meiner Urgroßmutter (!) Hans Georg Friedrich WIEDE war mit  
Anna Maria WENDT * 1765 unbekannt wo + 17-2-1832 in Neulingen bei Salzwedel  
(Altmark) verheiratet. Alle Versuche, sie mir anderen WENDT Personen aus diesem  
Gebiet zu verknüpfen, waren bisher ohne Erfolg. Es gibt offenbar keine  
Verbindungen zu Deinen WENDT Vorfahren.
Freundliche Grüße
Rainer
 

Re: [HN] Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden

Date: 2005/02/28 16:36:58
From: Pat Sulzer <psulzer(a)midsouth.rr.com>

Hello could someone translate this message to English for me
thanks
pat
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob & Marilyn Thaden" <bmthaden(a)midrivers.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: [HN] Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden


Liebe Freunden,

Mein Urgrossvater war Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden, in Aurich on 8 August, 1839
geboren. Er und seine Frau, Johanna Christina Amelia Wilkens da wohnten,
und waren an 22 Oktober 1859 verheiratet. Mein Grossvater war einer ihren
Sohnen, Eilert Ludwig Thaden.

Ich will wissen, wer die Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden waren, und auch
seine Geschwestern. Ich habe gelesen, daß die Eltern waren in Hannover
geboren.
Mit diese Information konnen wir eine Vebindung finden, zwischen uns
und Frerich und Johanne Thaden in Aurich, Ostfriesland, mit wem wir haben im
Sommer 2000 ein Paar Tage gewohnt. Sehr nette Leute, zwar!

Danke sehr. Meine Englisch, naturlich, ist ganz besser als mein Deutsch.
Aber Sie konnen uns mit jede Sprache schreiben.

bis dann,

Bob

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RE: [HN] Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden

Date: 2005/02/28 16:52:38
From: Bob & Marilyn Thaden <bmthaden(a)midrivers.com>

Hi, Pat.  The message was from me, Robert (Bob) L Thaden, Jr.  Here's the
English version:

My great grandfather was Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden, born in East Friesland,
lived in Aurich and perhaps Neufunnixsiel, married Johanna Christina Amelia
Wilkens in Oct 22, 1859, perhaps in Aurich. He was born Aug 8, 1839. 

My grandfather was Eilert Ludwig Thaden.

The only information I have on the parents of Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden is that
they were born in Hannover. I have no information about his brothers or
sisters.

My wife and I were in Aurich in 2000, staying with Frerich and Johanne
Thaden. He searched the city and county and church records, and could not
find this information for me. But I know we are related, because I look
just like their sons!

Any information would be wonderful!!

Vielen Dank,

Robert L. Thaden, Jr. Miles City, Montana USA


Re: [HN] Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden

Date: 2005/02/28 16:57:49
From: Nhelbert <Nhelbert(a)aol.com>

 
Dear friends
 
My great-grandfather was Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden, in Aurich on 8 August,  1839 
born.  He and his wife, Johanna
Christina Amelia  Wilkens,  lived there and were married there on 22 Octobers 
 1859.  My grandfather was one their sons, Eilert Ludwig Thaden.  
 
I want to know who the parents of Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden were, and also his  
siblings .  I read that the parents were born in Hanover.  With this  
information, we found a Vebindung, lived between us and Frerich and  JohanneThaden in 
Aurich, east frieze country, with whom spent a couple of days  in the summer 
of 2000.  Very nice people, to be sure!  
 
Would thank very.  My English, naturally, is entirely better than my  German. 
 But you knew to write us in each language.  
 
until then
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2005 10:37:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
psulzer(a)midsouth.rr.com writes:

Liebe  Freunden,

Mein Urgrossvater war Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden, in Aurich on 8  August, 1839
geboren. Er und seine Frau, Johanna Christina Amelia Wilkens  da wohnten,
und waren an 22 Oktober 1859 verheiratet. Mein Grossvater war  einer ihren
Sohnen, Eilert Ludwig Thaden.

Ich will wissen, wer die  Eltern von Gerhardt Ludwig Thaden waren, und auch
seine Geschwestern. Ich  habe gelesen, daß die Eltern waren in Hannover
geboren.
Mit diese  Information konnen wir eine Vebindung finden, zwischen uns
und Frerich und  Johanne Thaden in Aurich, Ostfriesland, mit wem wir haben im
Sommer 2000  ein Paar Tage gewohnt. Sehr nette Leute, zwar!

Danke sehr. Meine  Englisch, naturlich, ist ganz besser als mein Deutsch.
Aber Sie konnen uns  mit jede Sprache schreiben.

bis  dann,

Bob






[HN] Victor Schroeder information

Date: 2005/02/28 18:21:31
From: Peggy Schmidt <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>

Thanks to all who responded to my initial inquiry.  The English responses, of course, I could read, however, information from Heinrich Munk I am unable to read.  Could someone help me with a translation?

I am grateful to all who replied and I will take all suggestions seriously.

Blessings on you all!

Sincerely,

Peggy Schmidt

Re: [HN] Victor Schroeder information

Date: 2005/02/28 19:04:06
From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear Peggy, 

Just put the blame on me.
Heinrich Munk had claimed Schroeder was a joiner, not a tailor.
That forced a lengthy extract from me, out of several etymological 
dictionaries to prove that 
Schroeder is 
a) a tailor 
b) a coiner
c) someone who loads barrels on ánd off, especially the lorry driver who
did the transport of beer and wine barrels 
d) in vinegrowing regions a civil engineer surveying the offloading and
storing into cellars of the vinestock
e) in alemannian (south west Germany, Switzerland) a woodcutter 

quoted from 
a) Horst Naumann, Das grosse Buch der Familiennamen, Alter Herkunft,
Bedeutung
(great book of family names, age, origin, meaning)
Falken Verlag E. Sicker, Niedernhausen/Taunus 1994, 320 pages, ISBN
3-8068-4781-9
b) Josef Karlmann Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Woerterbuch der
Deutschen Familiennamen, 
C. A. Starke Verlag, Limburg/Lahn 1963, 2 volumes at 788 & 880 pages,
ISBN 3-7980-0355-6

and the statement that 2 % of the German population is called Schroeder,
is from the dtv-Atlas Namenkunde, 
Vor- und Familiennamen im deutschen Sprachgebiet (first and last names
in the German spoken region),
Deutscher Taschenbuch-Verlag, Muenchen 1999, 240 pages, ISBN
3-423-03234-0

Sincerely yours 

Falk Liebezeit, Diepholz

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:21:19 +0100
> Subject: [HN] Victor Schroeder information
> From: "Peggy Schmidt" <pschmidt3(a)neb.rr.com>
> To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>

> Thanks to all who responded to my initial inquiry.  The English
> responses, of course, I could read, however, information from Heinrich
> Munk I am unable to read.  Could someone help me with a translation? 
> I am grateful to all who replied and I will take all suggestions
> seriously.
> 
> Blessings on you all!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Peggy Schmidt
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Re: [HN] My Sonneborn Family

Date: 2005/02/28 20:51:43
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)T-Online.de>


"Erin Worsham" <ojaierin(a)comcast.net> schrieb:
> Here is the information on my Sonneborn family.  Again, all of my US
> based information says they originated in Hannover.

Hallo Erin Worsham,

a short oversight of the today spread of the name SONNEBORN in Germany showed their main places are in Westfalia, a very centre is Bad Berleburg. In the nowadays parts of the former Kingdom of Hanover you will find one here, one there and some more - about three or four bearer of the name - in the town of 34513 Waldeck. The total number of people with the name Sonneborn in Germany having a telephone should be about 200. Hope this might be a help for starting the search more narrowed to places.

Greetings        Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Re: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede

Date: 2005/02/28 22:09:36
From: Paul Divan <navidfl(a)worldnet.att.net>

My best friends Great Grandfather, August F. Giese, was born December 1852 in Netzdorf, Prussia. Is this a relative to you. thanks Marge divna


----- Original Message ----- From: "Fritz Giese" <fritz.giese(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <Lippe-Forum(a)yahoogroups.de>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:27 AM
Subject: [HN] Beckmeier in Welsede


Liebe Forscher im Umfeld von Hameln und Rinteln,

vor etwa einem Jahr hatte ich schon mal einen erfolglosen Versuch gemacht, über diese Liste eine Information zu bekommen.

Es geht um

Wilhelmine Be(c)kmeier aus Welsede bei Hess.Odendorf
* 6.2.1865 in Welsede
oo Wilhelm Struckmeier *1865 vermutlich Schaumburg (Ostendorf)

Auf einer Taufeintragung steht noch der Name der vermutlichen Schwester oder Mutter:
Dorette Bekemeier.

Für Informationen über den/die Namen Be(c)kemeier in Welsede wäre ich sehr dankbar.

Viele Grüße aus Erftstadt
Fritz Giese


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Re: [HN] My Sonneborn Family

Date: 2005/02/28 23:10:58
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Erin,

       There is one listing in the emigration archives (Hannover) that lists
a Sophie Sonneborn from Alfeld.  That may be no help to you--however, it
could be that she traveled with someone else to join  her family in America.
There are no other listings for Sonneborn or Sonnenborn.  (Obviously, those
names may be one and the same, so don't limit your search to only one
spelling!) 
 
      In the ISTG (immigrant ship lists), there is a listing for:
Friederike Sonneborn   19   Preussen       Bodenburg
      Date is 1865 which is later than your family emigrated, but it would
indicate that there were Sonneborns in Bodenburg at one time.  There is a
Bodenburg which is fairly close to Alfeld (north east).

     If you have no more leads, you could check the LDS records for those
places and see if YOUR Sonneborn family was from that area.

Good luck,
Barbara  
      




on 2/27/05 5:43 PM, Erin Worsham at ojaierin(a)comcast.net wrote:

> Here is the information on my Sonneborn family.  Again, all of my US
> based information says they originated in Hannover.  Both of these
> families also share some connection with the Runge surname.  Because of
> the size I will send it separately in German.  Thanks, Erin
> 
> Freiderich Sonneborn - born 7 March 1817 in Hannover, died 21 June 1886
> in Illinois, USA, emigrated sometime before 1860
> Wife: Louise or Luise - born 2 February 1824 in Hannover,
> died 14 March 1885 in Illinois, USA, emigrated sometime before 1860,
> married in Germany.
> 
> Children:  August Sonneborn - born 10 November 1843 in
> Hannover died 18 November 1843 (buried at sea)
> Frederick Sonneborn - born 7 March 1846 in
> Hannover, died October 1847 in Germany
> William Sonneborn - born 2 July 1848 in
> Hannover, died 15 December 1868 in Palatine, Illinois, USA
> Wilhelmina Sonneborn - born 15 December 1851
> in Hannover, died 12 June 1912 in Illinois, USA, married Henry F. Runge
> on 19 January 1871.
> Sophia L. Sonneborn - born 2 February 1853 in
> Hannover, died 6 July 1938 Elgin, Illinois, USA, married Charles
> Marckhoff on 29 March 1870.
> Louise Sonneborn - born 17 June 1855 Illinois,
> USA, died 15 March 1865, Illinois, USA
> Caroline Sonneborn - born 4 February 1858
> Illinois, USA, died 11 March 1865 Illinois, USA
> Emma Sonneborn - born 2 June 1863, Illinois,
> USA, died 15 March 1865, Illinois, USA
> Emma Sonneborn - born 3 August 1865.
> 
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