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[HN] Link zu Familiennamen

Date: 2004/10/01 09:06:11
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo an alle Freunde der Familien-Archäologie,

hier wieder der Link zu Familiennamen in der "Welt":

http://www.welt.de/data/2004/10/01/339958.html

Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672 Verein Computergenealogie

Re: [HN] taufen 1874-1903

Date: 2004/10/01 09:35:46
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrter Herr Petersen,
Herzlicher Dank für die Information!
W.A.Ridderbos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] taufen 1874-1903


> "w.a.ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl> schrieb:
> > Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
> >
> > Eine Frage:
> > Können die Taufen in Aerzen, Hämelschenburg und Kirchbrak
> > von 1874 bis 1903 nicht wurden gefunden für Genealogie ?
> > Im Voraus Dank für Antwort.
> > Mit freundlichem Gruss,
> >
> > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
> >
> >
> >
> Sehr geehrter Herr Ridderbos,
>
> 1874 wurden in Preussen und am 1.1.1876 in ganz Deutschland staatliche
Personenstandsregister eingerichtet, die die "amtliche" Eigenschaft der
Kirchenbuecher ersetzten. Darin werden aber naturgemaess nur Geburt, Heirat
und Tod erfasst. Die Kirchenbuecher beschraenken sich seitdem auf die
Dokumentation rein kirchlicher Handlungen wie Taufe, kirchliche Trauung,
Beerdigung.
> Wenn Sie also die Taufen suchen, dann sind diese in den betreffenden
Kirchenbuechern eingetragen, die wohl in der jeweiligen Kirchengemeinde
liegen. Nur für fruehere Zeiten (im allgemeinen bis 1852) befinden sich
Microfiches der Kirchenbuecher beim Stadtkirchenbuchamt in Hannover.
>
> Wenn Sie mir genauer schildern, was sie genau suchen, kann ich Ihnen
vielleicht weiterhelfen.
>
> Freundliche Gruesse
>  Wilfried Petersen
>
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[HN] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2004/10/01 11:51:50
From: Lemor <Lemor(a)gmx.de>

Hallo,
ich suche im Großraum Osnabrück. Falls jemand eine Mailingliste kennt, die
dafür eher geeignet scheint, darf er sich gerne melden.
Ansonsten bin ich über jeden Hinweis zu den Orten/Familien dankbar (s.u.)

Gruß M.Lewerenz

-NAMEN-
DEPPE
DUVENDACK
GARTMANN
HAFERKAMP, Haverkamp 
HÜTTEMANN
KANKE oder KAUKE
KÖSTER
KRANSIEKs, KRANSICKs
LAHRMANN, Pape
LANGE
LENGERKE
MASCHMEIER
NIERMEIER
PRECHWINKEL (?)
PULS
SCHÄPER
UNLAND
UPHAUS

-ORTE-
Osnabrück
Vörden 
Nemden
Drantum bei Melle
Melle
Holzhausen (???)
Holte
Schledehausen
+
Oberholsten(?), Niederholsten, Oldendorf

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[HN] Sonderheft: Ahnenforschung - auf den Spuren der Vorfahren

Date: 2004/10/02 07:24:21
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[Weitergeleitete Nachricht im Auftrag von Klaus-Peter Wessel
<klaus-peter(a)familiewessel.de>]

Hallo allerseits,

der Verein für Computergenealogie möchte heute auf eine neue
Publikation aufmerksam machen, die sicherlich auch die Leser
dieser Mailingliste interessieren wird, da sehr viele Themen rund
um Genealogieprogramme im Heft Erwähnung finden und natürlich
vor allem auf der CD-Beilage zu finden sind.

#####################################################

Ahnenforschung - auf den Spuren der Vorfahren
Ein Ratgeber für Anfänger und Fortgeschrittene

Das vom Verein für Computergenealogie im September 2004 herausgegebene 
Sonderheft "Ahnenforschung - Auf den Spuren der Vorfahren ist ein
Ratgeber für Anfänger und Fortgeschrittene" und eine ideale 
Einstiegslektüre in das spannende Thema Familienforschung, bietet aber 
auch dem fortgeschrittenen Ahnenforscher wertvolle Informationen.

Auf 136 Seiten erfahren Sie, welche Quellen für die Familienforschung 
herangezogen werden können, wie Sie Ihre Dokumente richtig
archivieren, 
bekommen Sie einen Überblick über die derzeit erhältliche Software und 
über die Möglichkeiten, die das Internet dem Familienforscher bietet.

Eine beiliegende CD-ROM enthält Demo- und Shareware-Versionen
aktueller 
Genealogie-Programme, sowie alle bisher veröffentlichten Testberichte 
der Computergenealogie-Redaktion als PDF-Dateien.

Titelbild und das komplette Inhaltsverzeichnis sind zu finden unter:
http://wiki.genealogy.net/index.php/Sonderheft


Achtung: Wer im Jahr 2004 Mitglied des Vereins für Computergenealogie 
ist, bekommt dieses Heft im Rahmen der Mitgliedschaft 2004
*automatisch* 
und muss es nicht extra kaufen. Wer sich jetzt noch zu einer 
Vereinsmitgliedschaft für das Jahr 2004 entschließt, kann sich online
anmelden unter:
http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/CompGen/aufnahme-d.html

Es gibt nur volle Jahresmitgliedschaften. Neumitgliedern werden
jeweils 
alle Leistungen nachgeliefert, die im laufenden Jahr bereits erbracht 
wurden (4 Ausgaben der Zeitschrift Computergenealogie, ggf. CDs,
etc.).
Weitere Fragen werden auf der Vereinshomepage beantwortet: 
http://www.compgen.de

Wer kein CompGen-Vereinsmitglied ist oder es auch nicht werden möchte,
kann das Sonderheft beim Verlag Genealogie-Service.de bestellen: 
http://www.genealogie-shop.de/products/5726.html

Weiterhin können genealogische Vereine das Sonderheft zum Sonderpreis
von 7,80 EUR (statt 9,80 EUR) im Rahmen einer Sammelbestellung
a 10 Stck. verbilligt erwerben und an ihre Mitglieder abgeben. Fragen
Sie bei Ihrem Verein nach, ob eine Sammelbestellung durchgeführt
werden
kann.


-- 
Mit freundlichem Gruss / kind regards
Peter (Klaus-Peter Wessel)
1. Vorsitzender Verein für Computergenealogie e. V.



Re: [HN] klein heidorn

Date: 2004/10/03 01:07:58
From: Jim Eggert <EggertJ(a)crosswinds.net>

On Sep 21, 2004, at 5:15 AM, David Heydorn <davidheyfi(a)mac.com> wrote:

My name is David Heydorn, I understand that my Great Grandfather came
from a village near Hannover called Klein Heidorn his name was also
Heidorn before it got changed to Heydorn I am told.

Yes, this is the village of Klein Heidorn or Kleinheidorn. Heidorn and Heydorn are two spellings of the same surname that were used interchangeably in the old days. Heydorn would be the more archaic spelling.

I also have heard that there are some records(very old) in a Church
near to or in klein heidorn.

Kleinheidorn belonged either to the parish of Idensen or Wunstorf, my source is ambiguous.

=Jim


RE: [HN] MEYER / MEIER

Date: 2004/10/03 05:50:50
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Lady Bonita,

Only absolute? records of Meyer/Meier in my tree occur in St. Louis, City, Missouri, U.S.A.

Antonio Meier - witness- Maria Gesina Tobben and Martin Mier marriage-Feb 1861

Margaretha Adelheid Toben-witness Maria Gesina Tobben and Martin Mier marriage-Feb 1861

(Martin's parents Stephani Mier and  Maria Eva Sandbote?)

This is at the shrine of Saint Joseph Church, St. Louis City, Missouri, U.S.A.






From: "Lady Bonita (USA)" <ladybonita(a)usa.com>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "FamNord" <famnord(a)genealogy.net>,"Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] MEYER / MEIER
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 15:38:30 -0500

My HILLMER lineage marries into MEYER many times. I would like to see if there is a connection among the MEYER ancestors. I would appreciate any information that would help me connect these MEYERS.

Meine HILLMER-Abstammung verbindet in MEYER viele Male. Ich möchte sehen, wenn es einen Anschluß unter den MEYERVORFAHREN gibt. Ich würde alle mögliche Informationen schätzen, die mir helfen würden, diese MEYERS anzuschließen.

Freundlicher Respekt,
Kind Regards,

Bonita Hillmer
Texas, USA

      Date Event Individual City Land
      11 Mar 1860 Marriage MAYER, Johann Heinrich Geestemunde Bremen
      circa __ ___ 1800 Birth MEIER, _____ Hesseninsgen
      circa __ ___ 1780 Birth MEIER, Christian Baarsen
      18 Dec 1808 Death MEIER, Christian Eichenborn bei Neers
      circa __ ___ 1790 Birth MEIER, Engel Dorothe Gerdau Niedersachsen
      15 Jan 1808 Birth MEIER, Johann Christian Baarsen
      20 Nov 1735 Birth MEIER, Johann Michel Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      06 Mar 1687 Birth MEYER, Anna Dorothea Allenbostel Niedersachsen
      07 Sep 1767 Birth MEYER, Anna Margreta Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      14 May 1787 Death MEYER, Anna Margreta Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      circa __ ___ 1790 Birth MEYER, Caterina Sophie
      28 Jul 1763 Birth MEYER, Catharina Engel Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      18 Jan 1855 Death MEYER, Catharina Engel Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      24 Jan 1766 Birth MEYER, Catharina Margreta Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      01 Mar 1766 Death MEYER, Catharina Margreta Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      26 Jul 1850 Death MEYER, Catharina Maria Oldendorf I Niedersachsen
      14 Feb 1776 Birth MEYER, Catharina Maria Suderburg Niedersachsen
30 Jan 1742 Birth MEYER, Catharina Maria Eleonora Hanstedt I Niedersachsen 13 Jun 1758 Death MEYER, Catharina Maria Eleonora Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      circa __ ___ 1800 Birth MEYER, Catherina Maria Hanover Niedersachsen
      circa __ ___ 1700 Birth MEYER, Christoph Suderburg Niedersachsen
      __ ___ 1735 Marriage MEYER, Christoph Suderburg Niedersachsen
      24 Jan 1766 Birth MEYER, Dorothea Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      24 Jan 1766 Death MEYER, Dorothea Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      04 Jan 1761 Birth MEYER, Dorothee Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      02 Jan 1761 Birth MEYER, Dorothee Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      04 Jan 1762 Birth MEYER, Dorothee Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      04 Jan 1762 Birth MEYER, Dorothee Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      10 Mar 1831 Death MEYER, Dorothee Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      17 Dec 1727 Birth MEYER, Dorte Engel Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      22 Apr 1795 Death MEYER, Dorte Engel Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
02 Aug 1772 Birth MEYER, Friedrich Christopher Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      22 Aug 1739 Birth MEYER, Hans Casten Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      10 Jul 1740 Death MEYER, Hans Casten Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      16 Feb 1730/31 Birth MEYER, Hans Christian Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      16 Nov 1759 Marriage MEYER, Hans Christian Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      25 Dec 1765 Death MEYER, Hans Christian Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      19 Nov 1786 Death MEYER, Hans Christian Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      05 Oct 1684 Birth MEYER, Hans Henrich Allenbostel Niedersachsen
      10 Apr 1734 Birth MEYER, Heinrich Christoph Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      29 Dec 1734 Death MEYER, Heinrich Christoph Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      12 Jan 1735/36 Birth MEYER, Ilse Dorothea Raber Niedersachsen
      circa __ ___ 1700 Birth MEYER, Ilse Dorthie Uelzen Niedersachsen
      22 Aug 1739 Birth MEYER, Johann Hinrich Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      04 Mar 1740 Death MEYER, Johann Hinrich Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
07 Sep 1767 Birth MEYER, Johann Hinrich Wilhelm Hanstedt I Niedersachsen 20 Apr 1768 Death MEYER, Johann Hinrich Wilhelm Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      17 Jan 1690 Birth MEYER, Jost Christian Allenbostel Niedersachsen
      10 Feb 1762 Death MEYER, Jost Christian Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      20 Dec 1697 Birth MEYER, Jurgen Wilhelm Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      17 Nov 1725 Marriage MEYER, Jurgen Wilhelm Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      15 Jul 1760 Death MEYER, Jurgen Wilhelm Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      19 Apr 1745 Birth MEYER, Maria Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      20 Jan 1808 Death MEYER, Maria Elisabeth Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      circa __ ___ 1660 Birth MEYER, Michel Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      14 Nov 1683 Marriage MEYER, Michel Hanstedt I Niedersachsen
      __ ___ 1734 Birth MOYER, Maria Elizabeth Hoffenheim Baden
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[HN] Haselünne

Date: 2004/10/03 06:01:12
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear List,

A reminder.

http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Seiten/Haseluenne/RegisterNamen.htm

Regards,

Barbie



[HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/03 07:15:18
From: Lady Bonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

Question:

Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?

Kind Regards,

Bonita Hillmer

Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/04 06:31:11
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Yes, it is

Greetings
Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Sun,  3 Oct 2004 07:15:07 +0200
> Subject: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> From: "Lady Bonita (USA)" <ladybonita(a)usa.com>
> To: <"Undisclosed-Recipient:;"@genealogy.net>

> Question:
> 
> Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Bonita Hillmer
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[HN] Occupations/Trades

Date: 2004/10/04 22:29:40
From: Michele Gatica <michele_gatica(a)yahoo.com>

Hello my fellow genealogists,

 

Need help with the three missing translations for the occupations listed below.  Does anyone know what it meant to be listed as a resident (einwohner)?  

 

Achtelhöfner            - farmer on 1/8 of a full-sized farm

Branntweinbrenner  - (brandy) distiller

Einwohner               - resident

Halbhöfner               -

Hauswirt                  - house owner; landlord

Hufschmied             - blacksmith

Krüger                     - innkeeper

Krugwirt                  -

Vollhöfner               -

 

 

Many thanks,

Michele Gatica


		
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Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/04 23:55:39
From: Fred Rump <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>

On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:

> Question:
> 
> Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?

Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole 
new name. 

Fred


> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Bonita Hillmer
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Mexico.
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RE: [HN] Occupations/Trades

Date: 2004/10/05 00:58:49
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>

Halbhöfner      -     farmer on half a full farmer

Vollhöfner      -     farmer on a full farm


Paul Scheele

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Michele Gatica
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:29 PM
> To: Genealogy Hanover
> Subject: [HN] Occupations/Trades
> 
> 
> Hello my fellow genealogists,
> 
> 
> 
> Need help with the three missing translations for the occupations listed
> below.  Does anyone know what it meant to be listed as a resident
> (einwohner)?
> 
> 
> 
> Achtelhvfner            - farmer on 1/8 of a full-sized farm
> 
> Branntweinbrenner  - (brandy) distiller
> 
> Einwohner               - resident
> 
> Halbhvfner               -
> 
> Hauswirt                  - house owner; landlord
> 
> Hufschmied             - blacksmith
> 
> Kr|ger                     - innkeeper
> 
> Krugwirt                  -
> 
> Vollhvfner               -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Michele Gatica
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [HN] Occupations/Trades

Date: 2004/10/05 01:04:22
From: Cindy Ball <jordon85(a)earthlink.net>

Krugwirt -it could be landlord

> [Original Message]
> From: Michele Gatica <michele_gatica(a)yahoo.com>
> To: Genealogy Hanover <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: 10/4/2004 8:30:07 PM
> Subject: [HN] Occupations/Trades
>
>
> Hello my fellow genealogists,
>
>  
>
> Need help with the three missing translations for the occupations listed
below.  Does anyone know what it meant to be listed as a resident
(einwohner)?  
>
>  
>
> Achtelhöfner            - farmer on 1/8 of a full-sized farm
>
> Branntweinbrenner  - (brandy) distiller
>
> Einwohner               - resident
>
> Halbhöfner               -
>
> Hauswirt                  - house owner; landlord
>
> Hufschmied             - blacksmith
>
> Krüger                     - innkeeper
>
> Krugwirt                  -
>
> Vollhöfner               -
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Michele Gatica
>
>
> 		
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Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/05 04:04:09
From: Lady Bonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

Fred,

ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as a name
variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these are in the
18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of Hanover, Possen,
etc.)

Bonita


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??


> On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
>
> > Question:
> >
> > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
>
> Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> new name.
>
> Fred
>
>
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Bonita Hillmer
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
> Fred & Marlies Rump
> On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> Mexico.
> (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
>  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
>
>
>
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RE: [HN] Occupations/Trades

Date: 2004/10/05 06:15:16
From: Michele Gatica <michele_gatica(a)yahoo.com>

Paul,
 
Thank you for very much for helping me with my German lesson.  Now I know that my paternal ancestors were farmers in Germany.
 
Best of luck to you in your research,
 
Michele Gatica
 

Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Halbhöfner - farmer on half a full farmer

Vollhöfner - farmer on a full farm


Paul Scheele

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-
> bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Michele Gatica
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:29 PM
> To: Genealogy Hanover
> Subject: [HN] Occupations/Trades
> 
> 
> Hello my fellow genealogists,
> 
> 
> 
> Need help with the three missing translations for the occupations listed
> below. Does anyone know what it meant to be listed as a resident
> (einwohner)?
> 
> 
> 
> Achtelhvfner - farmer on 1/8 of a full-sized farm
> 
> Branntweinbrenner - (brandy) distiller
> 
> Einwohner - resident
> 
> Halbhvfner -
> 
> Hauswirt - house owner; landlord
> 
> Hufschmied - blacksmith
> 
> Kr|ger - innkeeper
> 
> Krugwirt -
> 
> Vollhvfner -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Michele Gatica
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Occupations/Trades

Date: 2004/10/05 07:44:48
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>



-----Original Message-----
> Date: Mon,  4 Oct 2004 22:29:12 +0200
> Subject: [HN] Occupations/Trades
> From: Michele Gatica <michele_gatica(a)yahoo.com>
> To: Genealogy Hanover <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>

> 
> Hello my fellow genealogists,
> 
> 
> 
> Need help with the three missing translations for the occupations
> listed below.  Does anyone know what it meant to be listed as a
> resident (einwohner)?  He was  just living there, but did not have a
farm, probably as a tenant of some kind,
Krugwirt and Krueger are both words for the inn-keeper

Greetings 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz 
> 
> 
> Achtelhöfner            - farmer on 1/8 of a full-sized farm
> 
> Branntweinbrenner  - (brandy) distiller
> 
> Einwohner               - resident
> 
> Halbhöfner               -
> 
> Hauswirt                  - house owner; landlord
> 
> Hufschmied             - blacksmith
> 
> Krüger                     - innkeeper
> 
> Krugwirt                  - innkeeper
> 
> Vollhöfner               -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Michele Gatica
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Occupations/Trades

Date: 2004/10/05 09:01:58
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Dear Michele,

The "Krugwirt" is an "innkeeper", too.


kind regards,

	Christoph Haupt



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"Michele Gatica" <michele_gatica(a)yahoo.com> schrieb:
> 
> Hello my fellow genealogists,
> 
> Need help with the three missing translations for the occupations listed below.  Does anyone know what it meant to be listed as a resident (einwohner)?  
> 
> Achtelhöfner            - farmer on 1/8 of a full-sized farm
> Branntweinbrenner  - (brandy) distiller
> Einwohner               - resident
> Halbhöfner               -
> Hauswirt                  - house owner; landlord
> Hufschmied             - blacksmith
> Krüger                     - innkeeper
> Krugwirt                  -
> Vollhöfner               -
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Michele Gatica

Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/05 22:06:32
From: Karlheinz Steimel <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>

The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name normally is 
Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common somewhat 
later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is the latest 
Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I have a 7 year 
old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson Johann.

Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine, where today 
you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes and Hans. 

Karlheinz Steimel 

Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> Fred,
>
> ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as a name
> variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these are in the
> 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of Hanover, Possen,
> etc.)
>
> Bonita
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
>
>
> > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> >
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> >
> > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > new name.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
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> > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > Mexico.
> > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
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[HN] Re: Occupations/Trades

Date: 2004/10/06 03:05:50
From: ted wendeln <wendeln_tb(a)yahoo.com>

I had a question regarding german word "Hufschmied - blacksmith".  My mother,s maiden name was Schmieder (from Freiburg).  When I've searched ships passenger lists I often find 'schmieder' listed under occupation.  Would this be the same as in english, referring to a blacksmith as just a 'smithie'?
 
Thanks,
 
Ted Wendeln (Family immigrated from Garel, Oldenburg)
Dayton, Ohio USA


Ich hatte eine Frage betreffend ist Deutsches Wort "Hufschmied - blacksmith". Meine Mutter, s Erstname war Schmieder (von Freiberg). Als Schiffe Passagierlisten ich häufig suchte, finden Sie 'schmieder' verzeichnet unter Besetzung. Würde dieses dasselbe wie auf Englisch sein und beziehen würde sich einen auf Schmied als gerade 'smithie'? 

 

Dank, Ted Wendeln (Familie wanderte von Garel, von Oldenburg) ein, Dayton, Ohio USA


"Michele Gatica" schrieb:
> 
> Hello my fellow genealogists,
> 
> Need help with the three missing translations for the occupations listed below. Does anyone know what it meant to be listed as a resident (einwohner)? 
> 
> Achtelhöfner - farmer on 1/8 of a full-sized farm
> Branntweinbrenner - (brandy) distiller
> Einwohner - resident
> Halbhöfner -
> Hauswirt - house owner; landlord
> Hufschmied - blacksmith
> Krüger - innkeeper
> Krugwirt -
> Vollhöfner -
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Michele Gatica


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Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/06 05:55:36
From: Lady Bonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

Karlheinz,

Thank you so much for your explanation.  I wonder now if the biography I
read was just trying to differ the elder individual they called 'Hans' from
a son 'Johann'.   It does seem to always be the 'elder' with the name
Johann.  It makes me wonder if is a variation of the English "Sr." and "Jr."
or "I", "II", and "III" ... or the use of "Mary", "Polly", "Minnie" to
differentiate between generations of individuals with the same given names.

Regards,

Bonita Hillmer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??


> The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name
normally is
> Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common
somewhat
> later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is the
latest
> Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I have a
7 year
> old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson Johann.
>
> Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine, where
today
> you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes and
Hans.
>
> Karlheinz Steimel
>
> Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > Fred,
> >
> > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as a name
> > variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these are in
the
> > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of Hanover,
Possen,
> > etc.)
> >
> > Bonita
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> >
> >
> > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Question:
> > > >
> > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > >
> > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > new name.
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > > Mexico.
> > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> > >  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [HN] Travel

Date: 2004/10/06 06:39:57
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth,

I am also from St. Louis. I remember a Carpenter family that lived near St. Paul. Not far from Garfield school in PineLawn, Missouri.

If I remember right, Cathy Carpenter was my age.  Any chance your family?

Barbie



From: Elizabeth Carpenter <bettycarp(a)sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Travel
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:09:00 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Mona,

So, we don't live very far apart, since I am in St. Louis. Actually I live in Berkeley, 4 miles east of the airport.

I have been to Germany a few times and to Switzerland also. My daughter Sue has worked in Brussels and Zurich. I have a niece Karen who is married and has four daughters who lived in Weisbaumen, bordering Baden, close to Zurich. Karen and I have actually gone to the archives two years ago looking for my Widmer and Wuest ancestors. We found a few things. This time I am hiring a searcher to help us. I just have to get things together. I have to start on putting all this together in a book of some kind.

I started on genealogy in Dec. 1969. I sent letters to my Dad's brother and sisters with a brief form to fill out. They gave me the basis of my Scherle search.

Did the same for Mom's Hess side later the next year. In 1970, my youngest daughter Jenny was born. I would take Thurs. and do genealogy. Had to stop during the summer when all the children were home. Raised a large family.

In the early 80s, I did lots of searching. When I look in my original 4" binders, I am amazed at how much info I really have. Jenny was about 10 years old when she asked me if I was going to write a book about our ancestors. I told her I was playing with the idea. She said "Don't you think you had better get started?'' She must have thought I was old then. I remind her of that once in a while. I didn't do much for a long time. I started working "out of the home" and went to college. The year after my youngest son graduated from high school, I got my associate degree from a junior college.

But now I am retired!!! I worked at the USO at the airport. I am loving it. Besides genealogy, my next favorite thing to do is quilting. I do that on Tuesdays. There are six ladies and our children went to school together.

So now is the time to be really serious about gathering info and putting it together in a story. What do you think?

Betty


mona_houser(a)juno.com wrote:
Betty,

Have a wonderful trip!! I hope you have a wonderful adventure that
exceeds your expectations!

Mona, (who was able to take such a magical trip a couple years ago.)
down the road in Hillsboro, MO
Mona_Houser(a)juno.com
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~monajo/



On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Elizabeth Carpenter
writes:
> Hello,
> Tomorrow I will unscribe. I leave on Fri. for my adventure in
> searching for long-gone ancestors in Germany and Switzerland. I'll
> be back the middle of October. Will attend the Oktober Fest on
> Sat.
> Thank you all very much for all the help and suggestions for
> searching.
> Will be touch later.>
> Betty in St. Louis, Missouri

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Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/06 08:02:26
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,

I have been of the idea that Johannes was a Latin word for John.

Of course I agree that Hans derives from Johan. I think the name Judicus also is later name from similar roots.

Barbie


From: KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de (Karlheinz Steimel)
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:01:34 +0200

The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name normally is
Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common somewhat
later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is the latest Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I have a 7 year
old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson Johann.

Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine, where today you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes and Hans.

Karlheinz Steimel

Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> Fred,
>
> ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as a name
> variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'? Most of these are in the > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of Hanover, Possen,
> etc.)
>
> Bonita
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
>
>
> > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> >
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> >
> > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > new name.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > Mexico.
> > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> >  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/06 11:12:19
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Dear Barbie, 

Rather the other way round: 

John is derived out of greek-latin Johannes,
the Hebrew form was Jochanan with a stress over the last a,
meaning: God is merciful,
referring to St. John Baptist (refer to Matthew s gospel 11, v. 11),
all the baptismal chapel were dedicated to him

Many shortforms/nicknames bear proof that towards the 
end of the Medieval area Johannes was one of the most common of all 
church-inspired baptismal names
(as in the Grimm-collected Hans & Grete fairy tale)
until then it was Hinz (Heinrich) and Kunz (Conrad)
(quote: Hans Bahlow,  Deutsches Namenlexikon, Suhrkamp Taschenbuch
Verlag 1972,
p. 265)

Sincerely yours 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz 

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 08:01:38 +0200
> Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

> Hello,
> 
> I have been of the idea that Johannes was a Latin word for John.
> 
> Of course I agree that Hans derives from Johan.  I think the name
> Judicus also is later name from similar roots.
> 
> Barbie
> 
> 
> 
> > From: KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de (Karlheinz Steimel)
> > Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:01:34 +0200
> > 
> > The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name
> > normally is
> > Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common
> > somewhat later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So
> > Hans is the latest
> > Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I
> > have a 7 year
> > old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson
> > Johann.
> > 
> > Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine,
> > where today
> > you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes
> > and Hans.
> > 
> > Karlheinz Steimel
> > 
> > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > 
> > > Fred,
> > > 
> > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as
> > > a name variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of
> > > these are in 
> > the
> > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of
> > > Hanover, 
> > Possen,
> > > etc.)
> > > 
> > > Bonita
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Question:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > > new name.
> > > > 
> > > > Fred
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > > > Mexico.
> > > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> > > > 239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> > > > 
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Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/06 14:45:40
From: Karlheinz Steimel <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>

Hi Bonita,

that may be the case in a certain given case, but there is no rule to it. 
Usually you will find, that the given name is Johannes and the person is called 
Hannes or Johann or Hans by family and/or friends, like a John (=Johannes) often 
is called Jack, or William is called Bill.

Regards,

Karlheinz Steimel
 

Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> Karlheinz,
>
> Thank you so much for your explanation.  I wonder now if the biography I
> read was just trying to differ the elder individual they called 'Hans' from
> a son 'Johann'.   It does seem to always be the 'elder' with the name
> Johann.  It makes me wonder if is a variation of the English "Sr." and "Jr."
> or "I", "II", and "III" ... or the use of "Mary", "Polly", "Minnie" to
> differentiate between generations of individuals with the same given names.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bonita Hillmer
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
>
>
> > The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name
> normally is
> > Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common
> somewhat
> > later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is the
> latest
> > Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I have a
> 7 year
> > old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson Johann.
> >
> > Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine, where
> today
> > you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes and
> Hans.
> >
> > Karlheinz Steimel
> >
> > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > > Fred,
> > >
> > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as a name
> > > variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these are in
> the
> > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of Hanover,
> Possen,
> > > etc.)
> > >
> > > Bonita
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Question:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > > >
> > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > > new name.
> > > >
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > > > Mexico.
> > > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> > > >  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> > > >
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Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/06 14:45:46
From: Karlheinz Steimel <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>

Hi Barbie,

yes and no. It depends on where you start from. Johannes is the original 
biblical name in Hebrew. It was taken over into the first Greek and Latin 
translations of the bible between 200 and 400. Translations into other languages 
did not happen until centuries later. In many cases Johannes was used unchanged. 
German variations include Johann, Johan, Hannes, Hans, in English it is John (I 
have no explanation for Jack), in French Jean, in Spanish Juan, in Scandinavia 
Jon. Of course ther are the feminin versions Johanna, Hanna, Hanni, Jeanne, 
Juana, Juanita and probably a few more.  

So, John is the English word for Johannes.

I hope that this helps to answer your question(s).

Greetings from sunny Cologne,

Karlheinz Steimel



Cactus Flower schrieb:
> Hello,
>
> I have been of the idea that Johannes was a Latin word for John.
>
> Of course I agree that Hans derives from Johan.  I think the name Judicus 
> also is later name from similar roots.
>
> Barbie
>
>
> >From: KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de (Karlheinz Steimel)
> >Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> >Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:01:34 +0200
> >
> >The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name 
> >normally is
> >Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common somewhat
> >later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is the 
> >latest
> >Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I have a 7 
> >year
> >old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson Johann.
> >
> >Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine, where 
> >today
> >you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes and 
> >Hans.
> >
> >Karlheinz Steimel
> >
> >Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > > Fred,
> > >
> > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as a name
> > > variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these are in 
> >the
> > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of Hanover, 
> >Possen,
> > > etc.)
> > >
> > > Bonita
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Question:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > > >
> > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > > new name.
> > > >
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bonita Hillmer
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > > > Mexico.
> > > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> > > >  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> > > >
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[HN] No dementia for genealogists

Date: 2004/10/06 15:47:09
From: Lady Bonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

I think people do this just to make us genealogist's pull our hair out.  One
thing is that genealogists should be able to ward off dementia as active as
our minds have to be to keep everything straight.

Bonita

German Surnames: BACHMAN | BOCK | BUHRS | BUSSE | CRUSE | DANIELS | DREYER |
FINK | GILBERT | GRAWELMANN | GRUBER | HILLMER | HILMER | JOP | JOPP | KERN
| KROEGER | KRUSE | KUHLWEIN | LEHR | LUBBE | LUEBBE | LUEHRING | MACKENTHUN
| MEYER | MORELOCK | MUELLER | NIEMANN | PUTTEN | RICHERS | RULEMAN | SCHMED
| SCHMEDT | SCHMETT | SCHNEBELLI | SCHROEDER | SIEMS | STEEN | STEER |
STRATHMANN | TIMME | TOULOUSE | TREICHLER | VOIGTS | WAFER | WARNECKE-STEHR
| WESTERMANN | WICHTENDAHL | WIEGREBE

German Towns:  Aachen | Allenbostel | Altenebstorf | Baden Oderborch |
Bargfield | Barnsen | Bode | Bodenteich | Bohlsen 16 | Bonne | Ebstorf |
Eimke | Ellerndorf | Freisbach | Gerdau | Gruss Suestedt 3 | Hamburg |
Hanover | Hanstedt I | Hoffenheim | Ibersheim | Karlsrube | Linden |
Luxembourg | Mainz Oder | Oechtringen | Ottersheim | Sarum | Stadorf 3 |
Stadorf 4 | Sulzbach | Taetendorf | Teendorf | Tellmer | Uelzen | Verhorn |
Wichtenbeck | Wriedel | Wulfsode | Wurzburg

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??


> Hi Bonita,
>
> that may be the case in a certain given case, but there is no rule to it.
> Usually you will find, that the given name is Johannes and the person is
called
> Hannes or Johann or Hans by family and/or friends, like a John (=Johannes)
often
> is called Jack, or William is called Bill.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karlheinz Steimel
>
>
> Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > Karlheinz,
> >
> > Thank you so much for your explanation.  I wonder now if the biography I
> > read was just trying to differ the elder individual they called 'Hans'
from
> > a son 'Johann'.   It does seem to always be the 'elder' with the name
> > Johann.  It makes me wonder if is a variation of the English "Sr." and
"Jr."
> > or "I", "II", and "III" ... or the use of "Mary", "Polly", "Minnie" to
> > differentiate between generations of individuals with the same given
names.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bonita Hillmer
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
> > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> >
> >
> > > The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name
> > normally is
> > > Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common
> > somewhat
> > > later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is
the
> > latest
> > > Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I
have a
> > 7 year
> > > old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson Johann.
> > >
> > > Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine,
where
> > today
> > > you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes and
> > Hans.
> > >
> > > Karlheinz Steimel
> > >
> > > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > > > Fred,
> > > >
> > > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as a
name
> > > > variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these
are in
> > the
> > > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of Hanover,
> > Possen,
> > > > etc.)
> > > >
> > > > Bonita
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Question:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > > > new name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > > > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > > > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > > > > Mexico.
> > > > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> > > > >  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > > > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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RE: [HN] No dementia for genealogists

Date: 2004/10/06 17:19:04
From: Rod's Account <rodfleck(a)olypen.com>

Bonita -

My favorite in my line is the reliance upon middle names...something that in
two lines of the family I can trace back for like 5-7 generations.  The
classic is the ancestor of mine from the Minden area - August Funk...

Spent years looking for him.  Well in a bit of luck - I returned to one
source in America that noted that they had nothing about him in their church
records.  The new archivist found an entry for a Johann August Funk of
Westphalia married....

So, a letter went off to the archives in Germany -- seem August's full name
was Johann Heinrich August Funk.  So, I truly believe that it is human
nature for one generation to do things that causes a loss of sleep, hair and
patience in future generations!

Doing my part as well -

William "Rod" Fleck

-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Lady Bonita (USA)
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:47 AM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: [HN] No dementia for genealogists


I think people do this just to make us genealogist's pull our hair out.  One
thing is that genealogists should be able to ward off dementia as active as
our minds have to be to keep everything straight.

Bonita

German Surnames: BACHMAN | BOCK | BUHRS | BUSSE | CRUSE | DANIELS | DREYER |
FINK | GILBERT | GRAWELMANN | GRUBER | HILLMER | HILMER | JOP | JOPP | KERN
| KROEGER | KRUSE | KUHLWEIN | LEHR | LUBBE | LUEBBE | LUEHRING | MACKENTHUN
| MEYER | MORELOCK | MUELLER | NIEMANN | PUTTEN | RICHERS | RULEMAN | SCHMED
| SCHMEDT | SCHMETT | SCHNEBELLI | SCHROEDER | SIEMS | STEEN | STEER |
STRATHMANN | TIMME | TOULOUSE | TREICHLER | VOIGTS | WAFER | WARNECKE-STEHR
| WESTERMANN | WICHTENDAHL | WIEGREBE

German Towns:  Aachen | Allenbostel | Altenebstorf | Baden Oderborch |
Bargfield | Barnsen | Bode | Bodenteich | Bohlsen 16 | Bonne | Ebstorf |
Eimke | Ellerndorf | Freisbach | Gerdau | Gruss Suestedt 3 | Hamburg |
Hanover | Hanstedt I | Hoffenheim | Ibersheim | Karlsrube | Linden |
Luxembourg | Mainz Oder | Oechtringen | Ottersheim | Sarum | Stadorf 3 |
Stadorf 4 | Sulzbach | Taetendorf | Teendorf | Tellmer | Uelzen | Verhorn |
Wichtenbeck | Wriedel | Wulfsode | Wurzburg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??


> Hi Bonita,
>
> that may be the case in a certain given case, but there is no rule to it.
> Usually you will find, that the given name is Johannes and the person is
called
> Hannes or Johann or Hans by family and/or friends, like a John (=Johannes)
often
> is called Jack, or William is called Bill.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karlheinz Steimel
>
>
> Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > Karlheinz,
> >
> > Thank you so much for your explanation.  I wonder now if the biography I
> > read was just trying to differ the elder individual they called 'Hans'
from
> > a son 'Johann'.   It does seem to always be the 'elder' with the name
> > Johann.  It makes me wonder if is a variation of the English "Sr." and
"Jr."
> > or "I", "II", and "III" ... or the use of "Mary", "Polly", "Minnie" to
> > differentiate between generations of individuals with the same given
names.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bonita Hillmer
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
> > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> >
> >
> > > The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name
> > normally is
> > > Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common
> > somewhat
> > > later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is
the
> > latest
> > > Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I
have a
> > 7 year
> > > old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson Johann.
> > >
> > > Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine,
where
> > today
> > > you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes and
> > Hans.
> > >
> > > Karlheinz Steimel
> > >
> > > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > > > Fred,
> > > >
> > > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as a
name
> > > > variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these
are in
> > the
> > > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of Hanover,
> > Possen,
> > > > etc.)
> > > >
> > > > Bonita
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Question:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > > > new name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > > > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > > > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > > > > Mexico.
> > > > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> > > > >  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > > > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/06 18:35:52
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 20:26:33 -0500 "Lady Bonita (USA)"
<ladybonita(a)usa.com> writes:
> Karlheinz,
> 
> Thank you so much for your explanation.  I wonder now if the 
> biography I
> read was just trying to differ the elder individual they called 
> 'Hans' from
> a son 'Johann'.   It does seem to always be the 'elder' with the 
> name
> Johann.  It makes me wonder if is a variation of the English "Sr." 
> and "Jr."
> or "I", "II", and "III" ... or the use of "Mary", "Polly", "Minnie" 
> to
> differentiate between generations of individuals with the same given 
> names.


I think it's probably more like Mary/Polly  or John/Jack or Jim/James
than Jr./Sr.

Actually, it's most like John and Jack -- our "Jack" is probably the
equivalent of "Hans", that is, a nickname for John. 

Bonita, I had friends in a family that had 7 kids, and each of them had a
nick-name not related to their given name.  Vaughn was called Toots, Jean
was Jiggs, Jane was Maggie, Edward was Pete, etc.  Argghhh!

Germans gave 2-3 or even more names to their babies.  It has been
explained to me that, while Americans have a First Name and a Second
Name, that often, Germans are called by any one of their names, not
necessarily the first.  That's obvious, of course, to anyone who's been
doing genealogy for awhile.  

In my RIECKMANN / WOLLE family (related to the Hilmers) the 2 older girls
were 
baptized Maria Dorothea Anna - called Anna
baptized Katharine Maria Dorothea - called Mary
The  youngest was called Kate (haven't found her baptismal record yet)
They just used the same names again and again. 

Mona

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Re: [HN] No dementia for genealogists

Date: 2004/10/07 00:42:25
From: Lady Bonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>

Rod:

That always threw me until I learned that the multiple given names were from
the multiple sponsors at baptism ... one name from each person.  Actually,
but getting the details regarding the sponsors and where they lived, it gave
me a clue to look in another village ... and there was the whole family.

Bonita

German Surnames: BACHMAN | BOCK | BUHRS | BUSSE | CRUSE | DANIELS | DREYER |
FINK | GILBERT | GRAWELMANN | GRUBER | HILLMER | HILMER | JOP | JOPP | KERN
| KROEGER | KRUSE | KUHLWEIN | LEHR | LUBBE | LUEBBE | LUEHRING | MACKENTHUN
| MEYER | MORELOCK | MUELLER | NIEMANN | PUTTEN | RICHERS | RULEMAN | SCHMED
| SCHMEDT | SCHMETT | SCHNEBELLI | SCHROEDER | SIEMS | STEEN | STEER |
STRATHMANN | TIMME | TOULOUSE | TREICHLER | VOIGTS | WAFER | WARNECKE-STEHR
| WESTERMANN | WICHTENDAHL | WIEGREBE

German Towns:  Aachen | Allenbostel | Altenebstorf | Baden Oderborch |
Bargfield | Barnsen | Bode | Bodenteich | Bohlsen 16 | Bonne | Ebstorf |
Eimke | Ellerndorf | Freisbach | Gerdau | Gruss Suestedt 3 | Hamburg |
Hanover | Hanstedt I | Hoffenheim | Ibersheim | Karlsrube | Linden |
Luxembourg | Mainz Oder | Oechtringen | Ottersheim | Sarum | Stadorf 3 |
Stadorf 4 | Sulzbach | Taetendorf | Teendorf | Tellmer | Uelzen | Verhorn |
Wichtenbeck | Wriedel | Wulfsode | Wurzburg

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rod's Account" <rodfleck(a)olypen.com>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [HN] No dementia for genealogists


> Bonita -
>
> My favorite in my line is the reliance upon middle names...something that
in
> two lines of the family I can trace back for like 5-7 generations.  The
> classic is the ancestor of mine from the Minden area - August Funk...
>
> Spent years looking for him.  Well in a bit of luck - I returned to one
> source in America that noted that they had nothing about him in their
church
> records.  The new archivist found an entry for a Johann August Funk of
> Westphalia married....
>
> So, a letter went off to the archives in Germany -- seem August's full
name
> was Johann Heinrich August Funk.  So, I truly believe that it is human
> nature for one generation to do things that causes a loss of sleep, hair
and
> patience in future generations!
>
> Doing my part as well -
>
> William "Rod" Fleck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Lady Bonita (USA)
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:47 AM
> To: Hannover-L
> Subject: [HN] No dementia for genealogists
>
>
> I think people do this just to make us genealogist's pull our hair out.
One
> thing is that genealogists should be able to ward off dementia as active
as
> our minds have to be to keep everything straight.
>
> Bonita
>
> German Surnames: BACHMAN | BOCK | BUHRS | BUSSE | CRUSE | DANIELS | DREYER
|
> FINK | GILBERT | GRAWELMANN | GRUBER | HILLMER | HILMER | JOP | JOPP |
KERN
> | KROEGER | KRUSE | KUHLWEIN | LEHR | LUBBE | LUEBBE | LUEHRING |
MACKENTHUN
> | MEYER | MORELOCK | MUELLER | NIEMANN | PUTTEN | RICHERS | RULEMAN |
SCHMED
> | SCHMEDT | SCHMETT | SCHNEBELLI | SCHROEDER | SIEMS | STEEN | STEER |
> STRATHMANN | TIMME | TOULOUSE | TREICHLER | VOIGTS | WAFER |
WARNECKE-STEHR
> | WESTERMANN | WICHTENDAHL | WIEGREBE
>
> German Towns:  Aachen | Allenbostel | Altenebstorf | Baden Oderborch |
> Bargfield | Barnsen | Bode | Bodenteich | Bohlsen 16 | Bonne | Ebstorf |
> Eimke | Ellerndorf | Freisbach | Gerdau | Gruss Suestedt 3 | Hamburg |
> Hanover | Hanstedt I | Hoffenheim | Ibersheim | Karlsrube | Linden |
> Luxembourg | Mainz Oder | Oechtringen | Ottersheim | Sarum | Stadorf 3 |
> Stadorf 4 | Sulzbach | Taetendorf | Teendorf | Tellmer | Uelzen | Verhorn
|
> Wichtenbeck | Wriedel | Wulfsode | Wurzburg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
>
>
> > Hi Bonita,
> >
> > that may be the case in a certain given case, but there is no rule to
it.
> > Usually you will find, that the given name is Johannes and the person is
> called
> > Hannes or Johann or Hans by family and/or friends, like a John
(=Johannes)
> often
> > is called Jack, or William is called Bill.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Karlheinz Steimel
> >
> >
> > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > > Karlheinz,
> > >
> > > Thank you so much for your explanation.  I wonder now if the biography
I
> > > read was just trying to differ the elder individual they called 'Hans'
> from
> > > a son 'Johann'.   It does seem to always be the 'elder' with the name
> > > Johann.  It makes me wonder if is a variation of the English "Sr." and
> "Jr."
> > > or "I", "II", and "III" ... or the use of "Mary", "Polly", "Minnie" to
> > > differentiate between generations of individuals with the same given
> names.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Bonita Hillmer
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
> > > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > >
> > >
> > > > The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name
> > > normally is
> > > > Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common
> > > somewhat
> > > > later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is
> the
> > > latest
> > > > Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I
> have a
> > > 7 year
> > > > old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson
Johann.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine,
> where
> > > today
> > > > you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes
and
> > > Hans.
> > > >
> > > > Karlheinz Steimel
> > > >
> > > > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > > > > Fred,
> > > > >
> > > > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as
a
> name
> > > > > variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these
> are in
> > > the
> > > > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of
Hanover,
> > > Possen,
> > > > > etc.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Bonita
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > > > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Question:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > > > > new name.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fred
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > > > > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > > > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > > > > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > > > > > Mexico.
> > > > > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> > > > > >  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > > > > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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[HN] Naming patterns

Date: 2004/10/07 04:04:24
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Bonita and Rod,

       Most of my families that had multiple names did not use the
godparents' names.  On occasion, maybe they did.  There are families where
every man's first name is Johann (Joannes, Joes, Johan) or Bernard, Heinrich
or whatever.  Others where all the girls names start with Anna or Maria.  My
people are all Catholic.  Maybe that is more common with them, I wouldn't
know. I have found that the last name listed which is closest to the surname
is the one that was the name that they commonly used. It makes sorting it
out very difficult and sometimes impossible!

     It is also interesting to see how there are naming patterns in
families, such as:
     1st son,  named after the father's father
     2nd son, named after the mother's father
     3rd son, named after the father
     1st daughter, named after the mother's mother
      2nd daughter, named after the father's mother
      3rd daughter, named after the mother
           and on  and on.
    
Barbara




on 10/6/04 4:41 PM, Lady Bonita (USA) at ladybonita(a)usa.com wrote:

> Rod:
> 
> That always threw me until I learned that the multiple given names were from
> the multiple sponsors at baptism ... one name from each person.  Actually,
> but getting the details regarding the sponsors and where they lived, it gave
> me a clue to look in another village ... and there was the whole family.
> 
> Bonita


Re: [HN] Naming patterns

Date: 2004/10/07 05:57:48
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:49:41 -0600 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
writes:
> 
>      It is also interesting to see how there are naming patterns in
> families, such as:
>      1st son,  named after the father's father
>      2nd son, named after the mother's father
>      3rd son, named after the father
>      1st daughter, named after the mother's mother
>       2nd daughter, named after the father's mother
>       3rd daughter, named after the mother
>            and on  and on.

All of my ancestors are German, or of German background.  I've never
found a naming pattern such as you mentioned, though I do have a couple
of known generations where children were given the name of their
godparents, but that seems to have been only in the families from
Hannover.

Mona

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Re: [HN] Naming patterns

Date: 2004/10/07 06:31:39
From: Ray & Gina Einig <reinig(a)siu.edu>

I've seen the pattern of naming children with the first name of their godparent in families from many parts of Germany. In many of those cases the second name was the one the child was actually called, making the first name sort of a honorary one.


Still looking for Seibertz and Berghaus.......


Gina in drought-ridden Southern IllinoisAt











[HN] Change of email address

Date: 2004/10/07 07:36:12
From: Jack D Strangmann <jacks(a)ocii.com>

To whom it may concern,

Effective today, my email address has changed from: jacks(a)westerncanada.com  to: jacks(a)ocii.com
Thank you!
Jack D strangmann

Re: [HN] No dementia for genealogists

Date: 2004/10/07 13:04:20
From: Karlheinz Steimel <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>

Hi Bonita and all, who contributed to the discussion,

there is no naming rule or pattern which covers all parts of Germany, or even 
one part. You will find that certain patterns were followed by one family, and 
others by another family, sometimes parishes followed certain patterns. But 
there are two patterns which you will find freqently. One is the use of 
grandparents names as explained by Barbara Stewart in her mail, and the other is 
the use of the godparents' (or sponsor's) names, but sometimes a combination of 
the two. In those days virtually every person was given two names, sometimes 
three, seldom more.

You will also find, that certain traditional names are repeatedly used 
throughout generations within one family. New names are added to a family by 
using traditional names of the family of the bride, or when the number of 
children exceeds the number of traditional names within a family, often also 
through godparents from outside the family (usually godparents were the 
grandparents (for the first child) or brothers and sisters of the parents).

But all this, while it mostly is the case, cannot be considered as rigid rules, 
and many deviations are possible. One rule however was adhered to fairly 
rigidly, at least in the Catholic environment: The names had to be Christian 
names, usually of Saints, who were chosen as guardian as well as exampel to 
follow.

Karlheinz Steimel
  

 


Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> Rod:
>
> That always threw me until I learned that the multiple given names were from
> the multiple sponsors at baptism ... one name from each person.  Actually,
> but getting the details regarding the sponsors and where they lived, it gave
> me a clue to look in another village ... and there was the whole family.
>
> Bonita
>
> German Surnames: BACHMAN | BOCK | BUHRS | BUSSE | CRUSE | DANIELS | DREYER |
> FINK | GILBERT | GRAWELMANN | GRUBER | HILLMER | HILMER | JOP | JOPP | KERN
> | KROEGER | KRUSE | KUHLWEIN | LEHR | LUBBE | LUEBBE | LUEHRING | MACKENTHUN
> | MEYER | MORELOCK | MUELLER | NIEMANN | PUTTEN | RICHERS | RULEMAN | SCHMED
> | SCHMEDT | SCHMETT | SCHNEBELLI | SCHROEDER | SIEMS | STEEN | STEER |
> STRATHMANN | TIMME | TOULOUSE | TREICHLER | VOIGTS | WAFER | WARNECKE-STEHR
> | WESTERMANN | WICHTENDAHL | WIEGREBE
>
> German Towns:  Aachen | Allenbostel | Altenebstorf | Baden Oderborch |
> Bargfield | Barnsen | Bode | Bodenteich | Bohlsen 16 | Bonne | Ebstorf |
> Eimke | Ellerndorf | Freisbach | Gerdau | Gruss Suestedt 3 | Hamburg |
> Hanover | Hanstedt I | Hoffenheim | Ibersheim | Karlsrube | Linden |
> Luxembourg | Mainz Oder | Oechtringen | Ottersheim | Sarum | Stadorf 3 |
> Stadorf 4 | Sulzbach | Taetendorf | Teendorf | Tellmer | Uelzen | Verhorn |
> Wichtenbeck | Wriedel | Wulfsode | Wurzburg
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rod's Account" <rodfleck(a)olypen.com>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [HN] No dementia for genealogists
>
>
> > Bonita -
> >
> > My favorite in my line is the reliance upon middle names...something that
> in
> > two lines of the family I can trace back for like 5-7 generations.  The
> > classic is the ancestor of mine from the Minden area - August Funk...
> >
> > Spent years looking for him.  Well in a bit of luck - I returned to one
> > source in America that noted that they had nothing about him in their
> church
> > records.  The new archivist found an entry for a Johann August Funk of
> > Westphalia married....
> >
> > So, a letter went off to the archives in Germany -- seem August's full
> name
> > was Johann Heinrich August Funk.  So, I truly believe that it is human
> > nature for one generation to do things that causes a loss of sleep, hair
> and
> > patience in future generations!
> >
> > Doing my part as well -
> >
> > William "Rod" Fleck
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> > [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Lady Bonita (USA)
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:47 AM
> > To: Hannover-L
> > Subject: [HN] No dementia for genealogists
> >
> >
> > I think people do this just to make us genealogist's pull our hair out.
> One
> > thing is that genealogists should be able to ward off dementia as active
> as
> > our minds have to be to keep everything straight.
> >
> > Bonita
> >
> > German Surnames: BACHMAN | BOCK | BUHRS | BUSSE | CRUSE | DANIELS | DREYER
> |
> > FINK | GILBERT | GRAWELMANN | GRUBER | HILLMER | HILMER | JOP | JOPP |
> KERN
> > | KROEGER | KRUSE | KUHLWEIN | LEHR | LUBBE | LUEBBE | LUEHRING |
> MACKENTHUN
> > | MEYER | MORELOCK | MUELLER | NIEMANN | PUTTEN | RICHERS | RULEMAN |
> SCHMED
> > | SCHMEDT | SCHMETT | SCHNEBELLI | SCHROEDER | SIEMS | STEEN | STEER |
> > STRATHMANN | TIMME | TOULOUSE | TREICHLER | VOIGTS | WAFER |
> WARNECKE-STEHR
> > | WESTERMANN | WICHTENDAHL | WIEGREBE
> >
> > German Towns:  Aachen | Allenbostel | Altenebstorf | Baden Oderborch |
> > Bargfield | Barnsen | Bode | Bodenteich | Bohlsen 16 | Bonne | Ebstorf |
> > Eimke | Ellerndorf | Freisbach | Gerdau | Gruss Suestedt 3 | Hamburg |
> > Hanover | Hanstedt I | Hoffenheim | Ibersheim | Karlsrube | Linden |
> > Luxembourg | Mainz Oder | Oechtringen | Ottersheim | Sarum | Stadorf 3 |
> > Stadorf 4 | Sulzbach | Taetendorf | Teendorf | Tellmer | Uelzen | Verhorn
> |
> > Wichtenbeck | Wriedel | Wulfsode | Wurzburg
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
> > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> >
> >
> > > Hi Bonita,
> > >
> > > that may be the case in a certain given case, but there is no rule to
> it.
> > > Usually you will find, that the given name is Johannes and the person is
> > called
> > > Hannes or Johann or Hans by family and/or friends, like a John
> (=Johannes)
> > often
> > > is called Jack, or William is called Bill.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Karlheinz Steimel
> > >
> > >
> > > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > > > Karlheinz,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much for your explanation.  I wonder now if the biography
> I
> > > > read was just trying to differ the elder individual they called 'Hans'
> > from
> > > > a son 'Johann'.   It does seem to always be the 'elder' with the name
> > > > Johann.  It makes me wonder if is a variation of the English "Sr." and
> > "Jr."
> > > > or "I", "II", and "III" ... or the use of "Mary", "Polly", "Minnie" to
> > > > differentiate between generations of individuals with the same given
> > names.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Karlheinz Steimel" <KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de>
> > > > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:01 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name
> > > > normally is
> > > > > Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common
> > > > somewhat
> > > > > later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So Hans is
> > the
> > > > latest
> > > > > Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I
> > have a
> > > > 7 year
> > > > > old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson
> Johann.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine,
> > where
> > > > today
> > > > > you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes
> and
> > > > Hans.
> > > > >
> > > > > Karlheinz Steimel
> > > > >
> > > > > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> > > > > > Fred,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as
> a
> > name
> > > > > > variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of these
> > are in
> > > > the
> > > > > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of
> Hanover,
> > > > Possen,
> > > > > > etc.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bonita
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > > > > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Question:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > > > > > new name.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fred
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bonita Hillmer
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fred & Marlies Rump
> > > > > > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
> > > > > > > Mexico.
> > > > > > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
> > > > > > >  239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
> > > > > > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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AW: [HN] Naming patterns

Date: 2004/10/07 13:27:00
From: Inga K <genealogie.inga(a)gmx.de>

Hello,

there doesn't seem to be a pattern of naming children at all. Most of the
names are given by the godparents, but those godparents weren't their
relatives in all cases. On the one hand the godparents were important people
of the village or town like master craftmen or whatever. On the other hand
sometimes the goodparents were people the parents of the child work for.
Another fact is that the nobility who had their place of residence in that
village (like in Pomerania) were at least one of the godparents;
nevertheless the child didn't get a name of their names :=) It was quite
unusual to name a "normal" child like "Aurelia" or "Bonaventura" those days.

Although it could happen that a child got the same name of her elder
deceased sister. I won't even take it for sure that it has been always the
second given name the child was actually called. There are many varieties
someone is named/written in a churchbook... Still today - two of my brothers
have more than one name - but one is called by the first given name while
the other is called by the second name. They've got different names :=)

Inga in Germany

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces+genealogie.inga=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces+genealogie.inga=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net]Im
Auftrag von Ray & Gina Einig
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2004 06:32
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Naming patterns


I've seen the pattern of naming children with the first name of their
godparent in families from many parts of Germany. In many of those cases
the second name was the one the child was actually called, making the first
name sort of a honorary one.


Still looking for Seibertz and Berghaus.......


Gina in drought-ridden Southern IllinoisAt










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[HN] Ronshausen/Hannover

Date: 2004/10/07 15:09:57
From: Nhelbert <Nhelbert(a)aol.com>

Dear Listers,
 
Is anyone researching the surname RONSHAUSEN?
 
Thank you.
 
Nhelbert @aol.com

[HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 15:51:05
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Meine Damen und Herren.

Eine Frage: 
Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?

Mit freundlichem Gruss,
W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.

Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 15:55:15
From: gloepertz <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>

Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht.
Günter in Michigan

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> Meine Damen und Herren. 
> 
> Eine Frage: 
> Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ? 
> 
> Mit freundlichem Gruss, 
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 16:02:44
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter?

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Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?


> Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht.
> Günter in Michigan
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Meine Damen und Herren.
> >
> > Eine Frage:
> > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
> >
> > Mit freundlichem Gruss,
> > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 16:29:42
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Es gibt eine Stadt Marienwerder nördlich von Berlin und einen Ortsteil Marienwerder in Hannover, heute als Straße ausgewiesen im Stadtteil Linden. Hier eine Adresse:

Büttner, Ulrich  (0511) 2133672
  Marienwerderstr. 1
  30449 Hannover

Werner


> Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter?

> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?


>> Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht.
>> Günter in Michigan
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>
>> > Meine Damen und Herren.
>> >
>> > Eine Frage:
>> > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
>> >
>> > Mit freundlichem Gruss,
>> > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 16:58:08
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Herzlicher Dank Herr Honkomp!
Ich suche dort eine Kirche wo getauft wurde
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <werner(a)honkomp.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?


> Es gibt eine Stadt Marienwerder nördlich von Berlin und einen Ortsteil
Marienwerder in Hannover, heute als Straße ausgewiesen im Stadtteil Linden.
Hier eine Adresse:
>
> Büttner, Ulrich  (0511) 2133672
>   Marienwerderstr. 1
>   30449 Hannover
>
> Werner
>
>
> > Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter?
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>
> > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?
>
>
> >> Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht.
> >> Günter in Michigan
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>
> >> > Meine Damen und Herren.
> >> >
> >> > Eine Frage:
> >> > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
> >> >
> >> > Mit freundlichem Gruss,
> >> > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
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Re: [HN] Naming patterns

Date: 2004/10/07 17:36:41
From: KLile <KLile(a)aol.com>

In my family --Lutheran --- they seem to have been all over the lot.  
Sometimes called by first name, sometimes by second or third given name. The one  
consistent practice was three given names.
 
My mother was named after her three Godmothers.
 
Kevin in Minnesota

Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 18:04:21
From: gloepertz <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>

Marienwerder ist eine kleine Ortschaft rund 15km westlich von Eberswalde in Brandenburg, nördlich von Berlin.
Günter Löpertz

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter? 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: "Hannover-L" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM 
> Subject: Re: [HN] viertel? 
> 
> 
> > Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht. 
> > Günter in Michigan 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > 
> > > Meine Damen und Herren. 
> > > 
> > > Eine Frage: 
> > > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ? 
> > > 
> > > Mit freundlichem Gruss, 
> > > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande. 
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 18:14:31
From: gloepertz <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>

Entschuldigen Sie, Marienwerder ist auch ein  Teil von Grossraum Hannover. Es liegt südlich des Mittelland Kanal, westlich der Landstrasse 6 (Am Leineufer), und nördlich der Strassen Garbsener Landstrasse und Auf dem Horst. Zumeist ist es der Heim der Varta-Batterie AG. Stöcken zum osten ist die Heimat für Volkwagen.
Günter

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter? 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: "Hannover-L" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM 
> Subject: Re: [HN] viertel? 
> 
> 
> > Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht. 
> > Günter in Michigan 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > 
> > > Meine Damen und Herren. 
> > > 
> > > Eine Frage: 
> > > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ? 
> > > 
> > > Mit freundlichem Gruss, 
> > > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande. 
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AW: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 18:20:25
From: Isa Wöltje <isawoeltje(a)freenet.de>

Da muß ich Günther leider widersprechen, sowohl Stöcken als auch
Marienwerder sind Stadtteile von Hannover.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Isa aus Hannover

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von
gloepertz(a)comcast.net
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2004 18:01
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] viertel?

Marienwerder ist eine kleine Ortschaft rund 15km westlich von Eberswalde
in Brandenburg, nördlich von Berlin.
Günter Löpertz

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter? 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: "Hannover-L" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM 
> Subject: Re: [HN] viertel? 
> 
> 
> > Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht. 
> > Günter in Michigan 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > 
> > > Meine Damen und Herren. 
> > > 
> > > Eine Frage: 
> > > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ? 
> > > 
> > > Mit freundlichem Gruss, 
> > > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande. 
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 18:42:45
From: gloepertz <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>

Versuchen Sie mal die Corvinuskirche (Ev) in Stöcken, in 1966 an der Moorhoffstrasse 28,  oder
die Klosterkirche Marienwerder (Ev) für Marienwerder und Stöcken, in 1966 Stöckener Strasse 264, oder
die Adalbertkirche (Kath) Stöckenerstrasse 43 in 1966 oder 
die St Christophorus Kirche (Kath) Moosbergstr 2-4 (Stöckener Markt)
Auszug vom Adressbuch 1966
Die Corvinuskirche und St Adalbertskirche sind auch im 1942 Adressbuch erwähnt, aber nur St Adalbertskirche war für Stöcken genannt.
Günter

-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter? 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: "Hannover-L" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM 
> Subject: Re: [HN] viertel? 
> 
> 
> > Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht. 
> > Günter in Michigan 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > 
> > > Meine Damen und Herren. 
> > > 
> > > Eine Frage: 
> > > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ? 
> > > 
> > > Mit freundlichem Gruss, 
> > > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande. 
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[HN] WILKE & JANSEN in Celle

Date: 2004/10/07 18:51:21
From: Joel S. Russell <jsruss(a)mindspring.com>

Hello everyone,

I'm researching Carl WILKE who was born about 1818 and his wife Helene JANSEN who appear to have lived in Celle prior to coming to the United States around 1870 I know of two daughters that came to the United States with them and I'm not sure how much family they left in Germany. The daughters were:

Dorothea WILKE, born 6 Nov 1849 in Celle, Germany
Minna WILKE, born Dec 1851 in Germany

Per Helene Jansen's death record she was born 10 Feb 1817 near Hamburg and her parents were Johann JANSEN and Marie HEPTER.

Thank you,

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/


Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 18:58:39
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Herr Günter,
Besonder vieler Dank für die ausgebreite Information.
Ich weiss jetzt genug.
W.A.Ridderbos

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From: <gloepertz(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?


> Entschuldigen Sie, Marienwerder ist auch ein  Teil von Grossraum Hannover.
Es liegt südlich des Mittelland Kanal, westlich der Landstrasse 6 (Am
Leineufer), und nördlich der Strassen Garbsener Landstrasse und Auf dem
Horst. Zumeist ist es der Heim der Varta-Batterie AG. Stöcken zum osten ist
die Heimat für Volkwagen.
> Günter
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To: "Hannover-L"
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?
> >
> >
> > > Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht.
> > > Günter in Michigan
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >
> > > > Meine Damen und Herren.
> > > >
> > > > Eine Frage:
> > > > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
> > > >
> > > > Mit freundlichem Gruss,
> > > > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 19:00:16
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Isa,
Sie weissen das gut! Herzlicher Dank.
W.A.Ridderbos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isa Wöltje" <isawoeltje(a)freenet.de>
To: "'Hannover-L'" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:19 PM
Subject: AW: [HN] viertel?


> Da muß ich Günther leider widersprechen, sowohl Stöcken als auch
> Marienwerder sind Stadtteile von Hannover.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Isa aus Hannover
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von
> gloepertz(a)comcast.net
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2004 18:01
> An: Hannover-L
> Betreff: Re: [HN] viertel?
>
> Marienwerder ist eine kleine Ortschaft rund 15km westlich von Eberswalde
> in Brandenburg, nördlich von Berlin.
> Günter Löpertz
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Wo liegt Marienwerder dann Herr Günter?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To: "Hannover-L"
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?
> >
> >
> > > Stöcken ist ein Viertel von Großraum Hannover, Marienwerder nicht.
> > > Günter in Michigan
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > >
> > > > Meine Damen und Herren.
> > > >
> > > > Eine Frage:
> > > > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
> > > >
> > > > Mit freundlichem Gruss,
> > > > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 19:00:20
From: Marion Reckewell <mahefri(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Ridderbos,

Stöcken liegt im Nordwestlichen Teil von Hannover und Marienwerder gleich daneben. Sie gehören zur Stadt Hannover.

Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Marion Reckewell
aus dem schönen Barsinghausen am Deister bei Hannover


> Meine Damen und Herren.
> 
> Eine Frage: 
> Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
> 
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AW: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/07 20:29:38
From: Inga K <genealogie.inga(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Herr Ridderbos,

Sie suchen Auskunft zu Stöcken und Marienwerder, beides heute Stadtteile von
Hannover.

Die Kirchenbücher zu Stöcken und Marienwerder liegen im ev. Kirchenbuchamt
Hannover, Hildesheimer Str. Sie sind mikroverfilmt. Es liegen Register vor:
vor 1774 (mikrofiche-Register) und ab 1775 - 1874 alphabetisch nach Namen
sortiert in kleinen Registerbüchern.

Weitere Informationen über das Kirchenbuchamt finden Sie hier:
http://www.knaak-web.de/GenealogieArchive.htm

Viele Grüße,
Inga




> Meine Damen und Herren.
>
> Eine Frage:
> Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
>
> Mit freundlichem Gruß,
> W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
> _______________________________________________





[HN] Eggers Surname

Date: 2004/10/07 22:36:10
From: Julie Reindl <reindl(a)wi.rr.com>

Hi.

My Eggers ancestors came from Idingen, Fallingbostel, Germany.  I am wondering if this town still exists and if anyone knows anything about it or has any pictures of it.

Thanks so much!

Julie Reindl

Re: [HN] Eggers Surname

Date: 2004/10/08 00:59:56
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Julie,

    Yes, Idingen is still on the map.  You can find it on a map by using
www.mapquest.com.  It appears to be very small.

    By doing a Google search for Idingen, you will find several websites.
One which has some nice pictures of a hotel there is:
   http://www.hof-idingen.de/

    There are four Eggers telephone numbers for Idingen. See:
http://www.telefonbuch.de

Barbara
  
on 10/7/04 2:30 PM, Julie Reindl at reindl(a)wi.rr.com wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> My Eggers ancestors came from Idingen, Fallingbostel, Germany.  I am wondering
> if this town still exists and if anyone knows anything about it or has any
> pictures of it.
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> Julie Reindl
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Re: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/08 06:45:40
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Falk,

Thanks you very much for the infromation. Definately makes sense that John derived from Johannes.

I had always just read and assumed the name Johan/Johann.Johannes as John.

Did Heinrich also refer to the name Johannes? I had always assumed the Heinrich as Henry.

I did notice that in the U.S. catholic records (1860's+) in my family that there are instances when a couple of sons are names Johan (something) (something) and usually they seemed to go by the second given name, the first being a baptismal name???

Noticed in most cases at least one of the names were of the baptismal sponser. Perhaps a custom to some families?

Barbie





From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 11:12:04 +0200

Dear Barbie,

Rather the other way round:

John is derived out of greek-latin Johannes,
the Hebrew form was Jochanan with a stress over the last a,
meaning: God is merciful,
referring to St. John Baptist (refer to Matthew s gospel 11, v. 11),
all the baptismal chapel were dedicated to him

Many shortforms/nicknames bear proof that towards the
end of the Medieval area Johannes was one of the most common of all
church-inspired baptismal names
(as in the Grimm-collected Hans & Grete fairy tale)
until then it was Hinz (Heinrich) and Kunz (Conrad)
(quote: Hans Bahlow,  Deutsches Namenlexikon, Suhrkamp Taschenbuch
Verlag 1972,
p. 265)

Sincerely yours

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 08:01:38 +0200
> Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

> Hello,
>
> I have been of the idea that Johannes was a Latin word for John.
>
> Of course I agree that Hans derives from Johan.  I think the name
> Judicus also is later name from similar roots.
>
> Barbie
>
>
>
> > From: KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de (Karlheinz Steimel)
> > Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:01:34 +0200
> >
> > The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually the name
> > normally is
> > Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was common
> > somewhat later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th century. So
> > Hans is the latest
> > Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in parallel. I
> > have a 7 year
> > old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson
> > Johann.
> >
> > Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river Rhine,
> > where today
> > you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann, Hannes
> > and Hans.
> >
> > Karlheinz Steimel
> >
> > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
> >
> > > Fred,
> > >
> > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add 'Johann' as
> > > a name variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?  Most of
> > > these are in
> > the
> > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of
> > > Hanover,
> > Possen,
> > > etc.)
> > >
> > > Bonita
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
> > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Question:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
> > > >
> > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
> > > > new name.
> > > >
> > > > Fred
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
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RE: AW: [HN] Naming patterns

Date: 2004/10/08 07:44:17
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Inga,

My fathers family (Lutheran) my grandfather was called Edmund Carl Heinrich. The baptismal sponsers were called:

1) Karl Wilhelm Heinrich
2) Johann Heinrich Wilhelm
3) Johann Heinrich [Jurgen?]

I believe his father was called Carl Paul Friedrich...(MyGGM)


Grandfather went by the name Edmund. HIs firstborn son was called Edmund.. My father was called Carl...and to my knowledge my father had no other name but Carl. My grandfather had a brother called Richard.

I don't notice a naming patern at all until my uncle and my father. Edmund and Carl.

In my catholic line I find..


Martin** Meyer-witness-Martin Feldhaus baptism- Nov. 1864
Helena Adelheid MEST-witness-Martin*** Feldhaus baptism-Nov. 1864

Joanne** Bernard Schnelt/Schneld-witness-Herman Feldhaus Bap- Nov. 1866
Margaretha Tobben-witness-Herman Feldhaus Bap. - Nov. 1866
(Johan** Herman)

Bernard Tranel-witness-Joseph Feldhaus Bap. - July 1869
Marg Eliz Schnelt-witness-Joseph Feldhaus Bap- July 1869
(Bernard Joseph..***)

Anna Marg.** Brummer-witness-A. Marg**. Feldhaus bap-Feb. 1872
Caspari Raave-witness-A. Marg. Feldhaus bap-Feb. 1872 (or possibly RAWE?)

Herman Brummer-witness-Anton Feldhaus bap. - Aug. 1874
Maria Hemmen-witness-Anton Feldhaus bap- Aug. 1874

Regina Raive/Rawe/Rove/Bove? - witness- Joh. Bernard** Feldhaus Bap- Sept. 1862
Bernard** Tobben-witness-Joh Bernard Feldhaus Bap-Sept. 1862

Maria Addel TRANEL - witness - baptism of Joh. Wil.* Feldhaus-Sept. 1876
Will* Hemmen - witness - baptism of Joh. Wil. Feldhaus-Sept. 1876

Joanne* B. Nees? * [Kniese?} - witness - baptism of John* Feldhaus- Sept. 1878 [Kneise?]
Maria Schnelt/Schneld-witness-baptism of John* Feldhaus-Sept. 1878

Seems in these baptisms godparent name included majority of the time. These are in St. Louis, Missouri however and late 19th century.

I suspect that perhaps some of these witness' may have been relatives. I suspect my ancestors might have known some of the witness' from [Hannover] Germany. The witnesses most definately had to be aquainted from the parish in St. Louis City, MIssouri.

Barbie





From: "Inga K" <genealogie.inga(a)gmx.de>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: AW: [HN] Naming patterns
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:25:31 +0200

Hello,

there doesn't seem to be a pattern of naming children at all. Most of the
names are given by the godparents, but those godparents weren't their
relatives in all cases. On the one hand the godparents were important people
of the village or town like master craftmen or whatever. On the other hand
sometimes the goodparents were people the parents of the child work for.
Another fact is that the nobility who had their place of residence in that
village (like in Pomerania) were at least one of the godparents;
nevertheless the child didn't get a name of their names :=) It was quite
unusual to name a "normal" child like "Aurelia" or "Bonaventura" those days.

Although it could happen that a child got the same name of her elder
deceased sister. I won't even take it for sure that it has been always the
second given name the child was actually called. There are many varieties
someone is named/written in a churchbook... Still today - two of my brothers
have more than one name - but one is called by the first given name while
the other is called by the second name. They've got different names :=)

Inga in Germany

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces+genealogie.inga=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces+genealogie.inga=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net]Im
Auftrag von Ray & Gina Einig
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2004 06:32
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] Naming patterns


I've seen the pattern of naming children with the first name of their
godparent in families from many parts of Germany. In many of those cases
the second name was the one the child was actually called, making the first
name sort of a honorary one.


Still looking for Seibertz and Berghaus.......


Gina in drought-ridden Southern IllinoisAt










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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/08 10:36:57
From: Erbensucher <Erbensucher(a)aol.com>

Der hannoversche Stadtteil Marienwerder existiert immer noch und ist nicht  
identisch mit der Marienwerderstr., die im Stadtteil Linden liegt. Der 
Stadtteil  Linden liegt westlich der hannoverschen Innenstadt. Der Stadtteil 
Marienwerder  liegt im äußersten Nordwesten der Stadt an der zu den Städten Garbsen und 
 Seelze. Marienwerder ist vor allem bekannt durch das Kloster Marienwerder, 
das  zum Hannoverschen Klosterfond gehört, einer Besonderheit aus der Zeit der  
Reformation, die es lediglich im ehemalig hannoverschen Gebiet gibt. Direkt  
östlich schließt sich an Marienwerder der hannoversche Stadtteil Stöcken  an.
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Hannover
 
Gunter Jüchter

[HN] Link zu Familiennamen

Date: 2004/10/08 10:43:57
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo an alle Freunde der Familien-Archäologie,

hier wieder der Link zu Familiennamen in der "Welt":

http://www.welt.de/data/2004/10/01/339958.html

Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie



RE: AW: [HN] Naming patterns

Date: 2004/10/08 10:55:10
From: maryjane O'C-L <maryjane_ocl(a)hotmail.com>

   Hello Everyone .....

   In my immediate family(ie my parents children) names go as follows.

   Son no 1 Robert James Bertie named after fathers Uncle , father, and
   mothers father (mothers father had two forenames)

   Son no 2  Thomas named after one of my mother's brothers who had four
   forenames

   Son no 3 George Albert Philip Percival named after two of mothers
   uncles and mother's father,

   Son no 4 Joshua named picked from the Holy Bible.( a new name crops up
   here)

   Daughter no 1 MaryJane (thats me) named after both parents mother's
   first names.

   Son no 5 Timothy name picked from the Holy Bible ( a new name crops up
   here)

   Son no 6  William Andree named after fathers cousin,mothers
   grandfather  and mothers surname,

   Daughter no 2 *Primrose Augusta   named after *mother, *mother's aunt
   and great aunt.

   Daughter no 3 Amanda April ....the family were given  a choice of
   names by our mother one of whichis the moth she was born ( new names
   crop up here too)

   Previous generation of mothers family (German)

   The following  names crop up a lot through the generations:
   Johann,Wilhelm,Wilhelmus,Fredrik,Henrik,Georgiana,Henry,Louis and
   other versions of these  names  both male and female,Anna,
   Sophia,Gertrude,Arthur,Maria,Elizabeth or
   Eliza,Adolphus,Margarita,Charlotta,Godfried, Gofried,Eva or
   Evangeline,Petronella, Dorothea,Catherina,Angenita,Klara,Phillip or
   Phillipus,Augustus and Augusta.

   There is no real pattern to these names in the family but I suspect
   children were named after favourite aunts ,uncles and grandparents
   and sometimes the odd name or two picked randomly crop up in quite a
   few generations. In my Tree (mothers side) names seem to follow
   patterns over about two generations only, then they change to names
   of aunts and uncles in law etc . Sons were named after fathers quite a
   lot in this tree.

   I personally like to see names follow in some way through generations
   as it gives us a clue to relatives when we search.  It certainly
   helped me a lot over the years in my searching.

   MaryJane ............on a dry but chilly and dull day in Suffolk, UK
   :)



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   >Dear Inga,
   >
   >My fathers family (Lutheran) my grandfather was called Edmund Carl
   >Heinrich. The baptismal sponsers were called:
   >
   >1) Karl Wilhelm Heinrich
   >2) Johann Heinrich Wilhelm
   >3) Johann Heinrich [Jurgen?]
   >
   >I believe his father was called Carl Paul Friedrich...(MyGGM)
   >
   >
   >Grandfather went by the name Edmund.  HIs firstborn son was called
   >Edmund.. My father was called Carl...and to my knowledge my father
   >had no other name but Carl.  My grandfather had a brother called
   >Richard.
   >
   >I don't notice a naming patern at all until my uncle and my father.
   >Edmund and Carl.
   >
   >In my catholic line I find..
   >
   >
   >Martin** Meyer-witness-Martin Feldhaus baptism- Nov. 1864
   >Helena Adelheid MEST-witness-Martin*** Feldhaus baptism-Nov. 1864
   >
   >Joanne** Bernard Schnelt/Schneld-witness-Herman Feldhaus Bap- Nov.
   >1866
   >Margaretha Tobben-witness-Herman Feldhaus Bap. - Nov. 1866
   >(Johan** Herman)
   >
   >Bernard Tranel-witness-Joseph Feldhaus Bap. - July 1869
   >Marg Eliz Schnelt-witness-Joseph Feldhaus Bap- July 1869
   >(Bernard Joseph..***)
   >
   >Anna Marg.** Brummer-witness-A. Marg**. Feldhaus bap-Feb. 1872
   >Caspari Raave-witness-A. Marg. Feldhaus bap-Feb. 1872 (or possibly
   >RAWE?)
   >
   >Herman Brummer-witness-Anton Feldhaus bap. - Aug. 1874
   >Maria Hemmen-witness-Anton Feldhaus bap- Aug. 1874
   >
   >Regina Raive/Rawe/Rove/Bove? - witness- Joh. Bernard** Feldhaus Bap-
   >Sept. 1862
   >Bernard** Tobben-witness-Joh Bernard Feldhaus Bap-Sept. 1862
   >
   >Maria Addel TRANEL - witness - baptism of Joh. Wil.* Feldhaus-Sept.
   >1876
   >Will* Hemmen - witness - baptism of Joh. Wil. Feldhaus-Sept. 1876
   >
   >Joanne* B. Nees? *  [Kniese?}  - witness - baptism of John*
   >Feldhaus- Sept. 1878  [Kneise?]
   >Maria Schnelt/Schneld-witness-baptism of John* Feldhaus-Sept. 1878
   >
   >Seems in these baptisms godparent name included majority of the
   >time.  These are in St. Louis, Missouri however and late 19th
   >century.
   >
   >I suspect that perhaps some of these witness' may have been
   >relatives. I suspect my ancestors might have known some of the
   >witness' from [Hannover] Germany.  The witnesses most definately had
   >to be aquainted from the parish in St. Louis City, MIssouri.
   >
   >Barbie
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >>From: "Inga K" <genealogie.inga(a)gmx.de>
   >>Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   >>To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   >>Subject: AW: [HN] Naming patterns
   >>Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:25:31 +0200
   >>
   >>Hello,
   >>
   >>there doesn't seem to be a pattern of naming children at all. Most
   >>of the
   >>names are given by the godparents, but those godparents weren't
   >>their
   >>relatives in all cases. On the one hand the godparents were
   >>important people
   >>of the village or town like master craftmen or whatever. On the
   >>other hand
   >>sometimes the goodparents were people the parents of the child work
   >>for.
   >>Another fact is that the nobility who had their place of residence
   >>in that
   >>village (like in Pomerania) were at least one of the godparents;
   >>nevertheless the child didn't get a name of their names :=) It was
   >>quite
   >>unusual to name a "normal" child like "Aurelia" or "Bonaventura"
   >>those days.
   >>
   >>Although it could happen that a child got the same name of her
   >>elder
   >>deceased sister. I won't even take it for sure that it has been
   >>always the
   >>second given name the child was actually called. There are many
   >>varieties
   >>someone is named/written in a churchbook... Still today - two of my
   >>brothers
   >>have more than one name - but one is called by the first given name
   >>while
   >>the other is called by the second name. They've got different names
   >>:=)
   >>
   >>Inga in Germany
   >>
   >>-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
   >>Von: hannover-l-bounces+genealogie.inga=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net
   >>[mailto:hannover-l-bounces+genealogie.inga=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net]Im
   >>Auftrag von Ray & Gina Einig
   >>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2004 06:32
   >>An: Hannover-L
   >>Betreff: Re: [HN] Naming patterns
   >>
   >>
   >>I've seen the pattern of naming children with the first name of
   >>their
   >>godparent in families from many parts of Germany. In many of those
   >>cases
   >>the second name was the one the child was actually called, making
   >>the first
   >>name sort of a honorary one.
   >>
   >>
   >>Still looking for Seibertz and Berghaus.......
   >>
   >>
   >>Gina in drought-ridden Southern IllinoisAt
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>
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Re: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??

Date: 2004/10/08 11:08:05
From: maryjane O'C-L <maryjane_ocl(a)hotmail.com>

   Hi to  All who are interested in the subject of forenames...I found
   this site which may be of some help to you>>>

   [1]http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/ger.html

   Listing German forenames and their meanings.

   MaryJane. UK
   >From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
   >Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   >To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
   >Subject: Re: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
   >
   >Dear Falk,
   >
   >Thanks you very much for the infromation. Definately makes sense
   >that John derived from Johannes.
   >
   >I had always just read and assumed the name Johan/Johann.Johannes as
   >John.
   >
   >Did Heinrich also refer to the name Johannes?  I had always assumed
   >the Heinrich as Henry.
   >
   >I did notice that in the U.S. catholic records (1860's+) in my
   >family that there are instances when a couple of sons are names
   >Johan (something) (something) and usually they seemed to go by the
   >second given name, the first being a baptismal name???
   >
   >Noticed in most cases at least one of the names were of the
   >baptismal sponser. Perhaps a custom to some families?
   >
   >Barbie
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >>From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de
   >>Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   >>To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   >>Subject: Re: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
   >>Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 11:12:04 +0200
   >>
   >>Dear Barbie,
   >>
   >>Rather the other way round:
   >>
   >>John is derived out of greek-latin Johannes,
   >>the Hebrew form was Jochanan with a stress over the last a,
   >>meaning: God is merciful,
   >>referring to St. John Baptist (refer to Matthew s gospel 11, v.
   >>11),
   >>all the baptismal chapel were dedicated to him
   >>
   >>Many shortforms/nicknames bear proof that towards the
   >>end of the Medieval area Johannes was one of the most common of all
   >>church-inspired baptismal names
   >>(as in the Grimm-collected Hans & Grete fairy tale)
   >>until then it was Hinz (Heinrich) and Kunz (Conrad)
   >>(quote: Hans Bahlow,  Deutsches Namenlexikon, Suhrkamp Taschenbuch
   >>Verlag 1972,
   >>p. 265)
   >>
   >>Sincerely yours
   >>
   >>Falk Liebezeit
   >>Diepholz
   >>
   >>-----Original Message-----
   >> > Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 08:01:38 +0200
   >> > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
   >> > From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
   >> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
   >>
   >> > Hello,
   >> >
   >> > I have been of the idea that Johannes was a Latin word for John.
   >> >
   >> > Of course I agree that Hans derives from Johan.  I think the
   >>name
   >> > Judicus also is later name from similar roots.
   >> >
   >> > Barbie
   >> >
   >> >
   >> >
   >> > > From: KarlheinzSteimel(a)t-online.de (Karlheinz Steimel)
   >> > > Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   >> > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
   >> > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
   >> > > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:01:34 +0200
   >> > >
   >> > > The name Hans was rarely used in the 18th century. Actually
   >>the name
   >> > > normally is
   >> > > Johannes. Johann is the earliest simplification, Hannes was
   >>common
   >> > > somewhat later, and Hans rarely was used before the 20th
   >>century. So
   >> > > Hans is the latest
   >> > > Name variation of Johannes. Today these names exist in
   >>parallel. I
   >> > > have a 7 year
   >> > > old grandson Johannes and my brother has a 6 year old grandson
   >> > > Johann.
   >> > >
   >> > > Greetings from Cologne, the 2000 year old city on the river
   >>Rhine,
   >> > > where today
   >> > > you find thousends of prsons by the names Johannes, Johann,
   >>Hannes
   >> > > and Hans.
   >> > >
   >> > > Karlheinz Steimel
   >> > >
   >> > > Lady Bonita (USA) schrieb:
   >> > >
   >> > > > Fred,
   >> > > >
   >> > > > ok ... does that mean that I should or should not add
   >>'Johann' as
   >> > > > a name variation when the given name is listed as 'Hans'?
   >>Most of
   >> > > > these are in
   >> > > the
   >> > > > 18th century or earlier .. in Germany (Prussia, Kingdom of
   >> > > > Hanover,
   >> > > Possen,
   >> > > > etc.)
   >> > > >
   >> > > > Bonita
   >> > > >
   >> > > >
   >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
   >> > > > From: "Fred Rump" <FredRump(a)earthlink.net>
   >> > > > To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
   >> > > > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:55 PM
   >> > > > Subject: Re: [HN] HANS = JOHANN ??
   >> > > >
   >> > > >
   >> > > > > On 3 Oct 2004 at 0:15, Lady Bonita (USA) wrote:
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > > > Question:
   >> > > > > >
   >> > > > > > Is Hans the same as Johann for a man's christian name?
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > > Yes. It is an abbreviation of sorts which became a whole
   >> > > > > new name.
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > > Fred
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > > >
   >> > > > > > Kind Regards,
   >> > > > > >
   >> > > > > > Bonita Hillmer
   >> > > > > > _______________________________________________
   >> > > > > > Hannover-L mailing list
   >> > > > > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
   >> > > > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
   >> > > > > >
   >> > > > > >
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > > Fred & Marlies Rump
   >> > > > > On the road somewhere between New Jersey and New
   >> > > > > Mexico.
   >> > > > > (actually Santa Fe Sky's RV Resort, Santa Fe, NM)
   >> > > > > 239-269-4781 or 609-284-6007 (cell phones)
   >> > > > > FredRump(a)Earthlink.net
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > >
   >> > > > > _______________________________________________
   >> > > > > Hannover-L mailing list
   >> > > > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
   >> > > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
   >> > > > >
   >> > > >
   >> > > > _______________________________________________
   >> > > > Hannover-L mailing list
   >> > > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
   >> > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
   >> > >
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   >> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
   >> > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
   >> >
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   >> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
   >> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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References

   1. http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/ger.html

Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/08 11:47:30
From: Maria Beitzen <MBei(a)freenet.de>

Ja, Marienwerder und Stöcken sind Stadtteile von Hannover.
MfG, Maria Beitzen, Algermissen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "w.a.ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:54 PM
Subject: [HN] viertel?


Meine Damen und Herren.

Eine Frage:
Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?

Mit freundlichem Gruss,
W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/08 16:56:18
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrter Herr Jüchter,
Herzlicher Dank für die Information betreff Marienwerder.
Ich hatte verschiedene Taufen mit Marienwerder als Ort.
Mir freundlichem Gruss,
W.A.Ridderbos

----- Original Message -----
From: <Erbensucher(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?


> Der hannoversche Stadtteil Marienwerder existiert immer noch und ist nicht
> identisch mit der Marienwerderstr., die im Stadtteil Linden liegt. Der
> Stadtteil  Linden liegt westlich der hannoverschen Innenstadt. Der
Stadtteil
> Marienwerder  liegt im äußersten Nordwesten der Stadt an der zu den
Städten Garbsen und
>  Seelze. Marienwerder ist vor allem bekannt durch das Kloster
Marienwerder,
> das  zum Hannoverschen Klosterfond gehört, einer Besonderheit aus der Zeit
der
> Reformation, die es lediglich im ehemalig hannoverschen Gebiet gibt.
Direkt
> östlich schließt sich an Marienwerder der hannoversche Stadtteil Stöcken
an.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Hannover
>
> Gunter Jüchter
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>
>



Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/08 17:04:32
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Frau Inga,
Die Kirchenbücher sind mir bekannt, aber wo find ich die Taufen
nach 1874?
Mit freundlichem Gruss und Dank,
W.A.Ridderbos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Inga K" <genealogie.inga(a)gmx.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>; <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:28 PM
Subject: AW: [HN] viertel?


> Hallo Herr Ridderbos,
>
> Sie suchen Auskunft zu Stöcken und Marienwerder, beides heute Stadtteile
von
> Hannover.
>
> Die Kirchenbücher zu Stöcken und Marienwerder liegen im ev. Kirchenbuchamt
> Hannover, Hildesheimer Str. Sie sind mikroverfilmt. Es liegen Register
vor:
> vor 1774 (mikrofiche-Register) und ab 1775 - 1874 alphabetisch nach Namen
> sortiert in kleinen Registerbüchern.
>
> Weitere Informationen über das Kirchenbuchamt finden Sie hier:
> http://www.knaak-web.de/GenealogieArchive.htm
>
> Viele Grüße,
> Inga
>
>
>
>
> > Meine Damen und Herren.
> >
> > Eine Frage:
> > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
> >
> > Mit freundlichem Gruß,
> > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/08 17:15:04
From: w.a.ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl>

Sehr geehrte Frau Reckewell,
Dank für die Information.
Barsinghausen schön, aber die Betuwe in Holland sicher auch.
Auch Amsterdam wo ist bin geboren. Viele Frauen und Drugs.
Mir freundlichem Gruss,
W.A.Ridderbos

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Reckewell" <mahefri(a)t-online.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?


> Sehr geehrter Herr Ridderbos,
>
> Stöcken liegt im Nordwestlichen Teil von Hannover und Marienwerder gleich
daneben. Sie gehören zur Stadt Hannover.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüssen
> Marion Reckewell
> aus dem schönen Barsinghausen am Deister bei Hannover
>
>
> > Meine Damen und Herren.
> >
> > Eine Frage:
> > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
> >
> > Mit freundlichem Gruß,
> > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
>
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>
>



AW: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/08 17:31:10
From: Inga K <genealogie.inga(a)gmx.de>

Lieber Herr Ridderbos,

ich bin gerade fündig geworden:

Zu Marienwerder gibt es eine Homepage mit allen Kontaktmöglichkeiten:
http://www.marienwerder.de Hier ist unter "Kontakte" auch das Pfarramt und
das Gemeindebüro zu finden.

Für Stöcken bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher, aber ich denke doch, dass Sie
hier fündig werden:
http://www.corvinus-kirche.de/

Ich hoffe, ich konnte Ihnen helfen,
ansonsten: einfach nochmal fragen!

Freundliche Grüße aus Westfalen,
Inga

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-bounces+genealogie.inga=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces+genealogie.inga=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net]Im
Auftrag von w.a.ridderbos
Gesendet: Freitag, 8. Oktober 2004 17:05
An: Hannover-L
Betreff: Re: [HN] viertel?


Sehr geehrte Frau Inga,
Die Kirchenbücher sind mir bekannt, aber wo find ich die Taufen
nach 1874?
Mit freundlichem Gruss und Dank,
W.A.Ridderbos




Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/08 21:26:17
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello,

Probobly incorrect post. I have old photgraph developed at Optiker du Marie. On the front of photo reads Wittenberg or Bernberg or similar. I think one even says Marieberg.

Would these places be anywhere close to the place you speak of?

Sincerely,
Barbie



From: Erbensucher(a)aol.com
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 04:36:44 EDT

Der hannoversche Stadtteil Marienwerder existiert immer noch und ist nicht
identisch mit der Marienwerderstr., die im Stadtteil Linden liegt. Der
Stadtteil Linden liegt westlich der hannoverschen Innenstadt. Der Stadtteil Marienwerder liegt im äußersten Nordwesten der Stadt an der zu den Städten Garbsen und Seelze. Marienwerder ist vor allem bekannt durch das Kloster Marienwerder, das zum Hannoverschen Klosterfond gehört, einer Besonderheit aus der Zeit der
Reformation, die es lediglich im ehemalig hannoverschen Gebiet gibt. Direkt
östlich schließt sich an Marienwerder der hannoversche Stadtteil Stöcken an.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Hannover

Gunter Jüchter
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/08 22:20:21
From: Erbensucher <Erbensucher(a)aol.com>

Hello Barbie,
 
none of this pleaces is near the town of Hannover, the place I spoke of.  
There are a few places in Germany, which can be the places you talk about. There  
are Bernberg, Bernburg, Wittenberg, Wittenberge, Wittenburg, Marienberg,  
Marienburg, etc. But I found no region, where all of this places are near  
together. Maybe you can sent me your photograph and I will try to identify the  
places.
 
With my best wishes,
 
Gunter

Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/09 18:18:25
From: Karl H Beermann <hydraulikd1(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Frau Reckewell, können Sie mir etwas zur Familie Odening aus Barsinghausen sagen. Mein Patenonkel, Carl Odening, ist gebürtig aus Barsinghausen.
MfG
Karl H Beermann

"w.a.ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)xs4all.nl> schrieb:
> Sehr geehrte Frau Reckewell,
> Dank für die Information.
> Barsinghausen schön, aber die Betuwe in Holland sicher auch.
> Auch Amsterdam wo ist bin geboren. Viele Frauen und Drugs.
> Mir freundlichem Gruss,
> W.A.Ridderbos
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marion Reckewell" <mahefri(a)t-online.de>
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] viertel?
> 
> 
> > Sehr geehrter Herr Ridderbos,
> >
> > Stöcken liegt im Nordwestlichen Teil von Hannover und Marienwerder gleich
> daneben. Sie gehören zur Stadt Hannover.
> >
> > Mit freundlichen Grüssen
> > Marion Reckewell
> > aus dem schönen Barsinghausen am Deister bei Hannover
> >
> >
> > > Meine Damen und Herren.
> > >
> > > Eine Frage:
> > > Sind Marienwerder und Stöcken jetzt Viertel von Hannover ?
> > >
> > > Mit freundlichem Gruß,
> > > W.A.Ridderbos aus die Niederlande.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > >
> >
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Re: [HN] viertel?

Date: 2004/10/09 18:52:12
From: Thorsten Lange <tl(a)thola.de>

Hallo Herr Beermann,

> Hallo Frau Reckewell, können Sie mir etwas zur Familie Odening aus
> Barsinghausen sagen. Mein Patenonkel, Carl Odening, ist gebürtig aus
> Barsinghausen.

Ich habe unter meinen Vorfahren auch einige Odenings aus Barsinghausen. Die
jüngste davon finden Sie unter http://www.thola.de/stammbaum/p50.html

	Thorsten Lange

-- 
Thorsten Lange               
EMail tl(a)thola.de
http://www.thola.de/

[HN] Re: Odening

Date: 2004/10/10 18:52:44
From: Marion Reckewell <mahefri(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Herr Beermann,

im Barsinghäuser Telefonbuch gibt es 8 Adressen mit Odenings, persönlich sind mir keine bekannt. Wenn Sie möchten kann ich Adresse und Telefonnummer schicken.
MfG 
Marion Reckewell 

"Karl H Beermann" <hydraulikd1(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Hallo Frau Reckewell, können Sie mir etwas zur Familie Odening aus Barsinghausen sagen. Mein Patenonkel, Carl Odening, ist gebürtig aus Barsinghausen.
> MfG
> Karl H Beermann


[HN] Emails

Date: 2004/10/12 01:08:10
From: Rosella Gramstad <rmgram(a)mchsi.com>

Since I cannot read German, I would appreciate it if they were in English.
Thank you.        Rosella Gramstad     rmgram(a)mchsi.com 


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[HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/12 01:42:55
From: jerry mercier <starfire1955(a)icehouse.net>

Halo!,
This is a real shot in the dark for me, but I stumbled onto your website by surfing the Internet.  Really hoping someone may help me.  
My great-grandmother was from Wisconsin - U.S., and prior to that was from Kemnade, Holzminden, Braunschweig.  Her married name was Dorothea Maas, but her maiden name was Quaer, Queren, or Querer.  She was born 5 January, 1821.
Sorry, but it is very difficult to read her exact name.
Would anyone know of a name in the Kemnade, Holzminden area like Quaer, Queren or Querer?
Danke!
Jerry


Re: [HN] Emails

Date: 2004/10/12 01:45:05
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Rosella, 

This list is bi-lingual.  Many people are from Germany and German is their
language.  You can copy their letter and paste it to an online translator,
such as http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

Or sometimes, I just look the letter over and see if there are recognizable
names of people or towns I am interested in and if not, delete it.

Barbara



on 10/11/04 5:08 PM, Rosella Gramstad at rmgram(a)mchsi.com wrote:

> Since I cannot read German, I would appreciate it if they were in English.
> Thank you.        Rosella Gramstad     rmgram(a)mchsi.com
> 
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[HN] Wille Surname

Date: 2004/10/12 07:22:05
From: Marlene <marsmemories(a)sio.midco.net>

I have been searching for my great grandmother's family for a long time to no avail.  I recently found her father, Heinrich Wille,  working for a Louis Balgemann in York Township, DuPage County, Illinois in the 1880 census.  I looked up on Rootsweb and found the Balgemann information.  When I looked in the Index I found them showing  having Wille relatives although my great grandfather is not listed there.
The Balgemann's were from Landesbergen, Hanover, Prussia.  I am thinking my great grandfather must have known this family from Landesbergen, Germany and is possibly related to them.

Is there anyone who could give me some input how I would find information on the Wille and Balgemann families in this area?  I think they were Lutheran.

Thank you,

Marlene
South Dakota


Re: [HN] Emails

Date: 2004/10/12 11:21:02
From: FalkLiebe <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Fine, 

Which one ? 

Friendly greetings 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz

P.S.: 
If any of them (German emails) seem interesting to you just ask for a
translation. There are enough of us on the list
who are bi - lingual


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> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:08:36 +0200
> Subject: [HN] Emails
> From: "Rosella Gramstad" <rmgram(a)mchsi.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>

> Since I cannot read German, I would appreciate it if they were in
> English.
> Thank you.        Rosella Gramstad     rmgram(a)mchsi.com
> 
> 
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[HN] EV Family Genealogy

Date: 2004/10/12 16:11:39
From: Renato - DP Calçados SANDRA <evrenato(a)sandra.com.br>

Ich suche information für meine Worfahr. Ihn Jahre 1846 zu Brazilien auswandern. Hier haben sie angeb die Stadt GÖDENROTH vier sein ursprung. Sie sind zu Brazilien bekommen, am der Rio de Janeiro Hafen, an 11 November 1846, mit den Schiff "D. Pedro II", mit fünf Kinder.

Ihre Name: Johan Friedrich Ev, Geboren an 11 November 1809 - Vater

Ana Maria Immich, Geboren an Jahre 1812 - Mutter

Elisabeth Ev, Geboren an Jahre 1837 - Kind

Peter Ev, Geboren an 06 Juli 1840 - Kind

Friedrich Ev, Geboren an 01 Juli 1842 - Kind

Carl Ev, Geboren an 19 Juli 1844 - Kind

Cristian Ev, Geboren an Jahre 1846 - Kind

Evangelisch Religion

Wen jemand mich behilfen Könen, bite, schraibe zu: evrenato(a)sandra.com.br





Re: [HN] Naming patterns

Date: 2004/10/12 17:15:31
From: TomAllers <tomallers(a)yahoo.com>

I have found some families in the area around Bremerhaven that have
this naming pattern that Barbara described. Sometimes the first male
child is named after the mother's father. To find the pattern you
also need the info on the mother's parent's names.

Tom

--- mona_houser(a)juno.com wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:49:41 -0600 R&B Stewart
> <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> writes:
> > 
> >      It is also interesting to see how there are naming patterns
> in
> > families, such as:
> >      1st son,  named after the father's father
> >      2nd son, named after the mother's father
> >      3rd son, named after the father
> >      1st daughter, named after the mother's mother
> >       2nd daughter, named after the father's mother
> >       3rd daughter, named after the mother
> >            and on  and on.
> 
> All of my ancestors are German, or of German background.  I've
> never
> found a naming pattern such as you mentioned, though I do have a
> couple
> of known generations where children were given the name of their
> godparents, but that seems to have been only in the families from
> Hannover.
> 
> Mona
> 



		
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Re: [HN] Emails

Date: 2004/10/12 17:16:20
From: Ray & Gina Einig <reinig(a)siu.edu>

I'm using the emails, especially the ones written in both languages, to improve my German. I can get by (with a lot of gestures and "help from my friends") but it is so valuable to see the same message written out both ways. Part of my husband's family speaks Platt so I'm wondering if what I see sometimes is Platt or Dutch. Anyway, I'm thrilled that we're bi-lingual. They say the more you use your brain the less likely you are to get Alzheimer's. Let's hope.

Gina in (finally) soggy Southern Illinois



















At 11:20 AM 10/12/2004 +0200, you wrote:
Fine,

Which one ?

Friendly greetings

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz

P.S.:
If any of them (German emails) seem interesting to you just ask for a
translation. There are enough of us on the list
who are bi - lingual


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> Subject: [HN] Emails
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> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>

> Since I cannot read German, I would appreciate it if they were in
> English.
> Thank you.        Rosella Gramstad     rmgram(a)mchsi.com
>
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Re: [HN] EV Family Genealogy

Date: 2004/10/13 00:50:43
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello, 

    Parden my English.  If you go to the Mormon website www.familysearch.org
and search for the name Ev you will find Johan Friedrich Ev and others with
that name from Uhler which is very near Gödenroth.
 
    These towns are near to Kastellaun which is a likely place that they
would have gone to church.  The LDS have films for that town, both
Evangelical and Catholic. If you are near a LDS center, perhaps you could
order and  read the films there.

Good luck,
Barbara




on 10/12/04 8:11 AM, Renato - DP Calçados SANDRA at evrenato(a)sandra.com.br
wrote:

> Ich suche information für meine Worfahr. Ihn Jahre 1846 zu Brazilien
> auswandern. Hier haben sie angeb die Stadt GÖDENROTH vier sein ursprung. Sie
> sind zu Brazilien bekommen, am der Rio de Janeiro Hafen, an 11 November 1846,
> mit den Schiff "D. Pedro II", mit fünf Kinder.
> 
> Ihre Name: Johan Friedrich Ev, Geboren an 11 November 1809 - Vater
> 
> Ana Maria Immich, Geboren an Jahre 1812 - Mutter
> 
> Elisabeth Ev, Geboren an Jahre 1837 - Kind
> 
> Peter Ev, Geboren an 06 Juli 1840 - Kind
> 
> Friedrich Ev, Geboren an 01 Juli 1842 - Kind
> 
> Carl Ev, Geboren an 19 Juli 1844 - Kind
> 
> Cristian Ev, Geboren an Jahre 1846 - Kind
> 
> Evangelisch Religion
> 
> Wen jemand mich behilfen Könen, bite, schraibe zu: evrenato(a)sandra.com.br
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/13 03:34:30
From: MyGenWeb <MyGenWeb(a)aol.com>

My gr.gr.gr. grandmother was Caroline Schriever nee Quaider.
 
This information is from the 1925 census where it asks my gr.gr.  grandfather 
to name his mother and her maiden name.
 
This information is not reliable though because there were so many  
misspellings from that census. 
 
We do know that it did start with a Qu
 
They came from Neinburg an der Weser.
 
Thanks.
Rachel Fafinski

Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/13 04:36:15
From: Yvonne Marshall <ybmarshall(a)bigpond.com>

To Rachel Fafinski ,

Could you please tell me where the 1925 Census was taken ? was it Germany and if so , how did you access it ?
I would like to be able to use it as well .
regards Yvonne in Australia

Re: [HN] Wille Surname

Date: 2004/10/13 07:14:31
From: Beardjf <Beardjf(a)aol.com>

Do you know his name?  Was he a clergyman?

Gary Beard
Bellevue, Washington

[HN] vorstellen

Date: 2004/10/13 14:49:39
From: Lucy Eringaard <luceringaard(a)hetnet.nl>

Gutenmittag mitgenealogen,

Ich werde mich vorstellen; meine name ist 
Lucy Eringaard, wohnhaft in Oosterhesselen, Drenthe, Holland. 

Ich bin 64 jahre alt und mit mein schwester bin ich nun auf der suche nach das vergangene unserer Altuhrgrosseltern, beiden geboren in Hannover Preussen. Aber nach familietradition gebürtig von Skandinavië, also wir werden ein Umweg machen!!

Jacob Ergardt/Ergart ist gebürtig von Hannover, verheiratet im l736 in Monster, Holland (und gestorben in l740 in Holland) 

mit

Marya Arentse van der Hoeven ist gebürtig von Lunt, Lingen, Hannover Preussen, und gestorben in 1750 in Holland. Ihr Vater ist Arend van der Hoeven.

Mehr Angaben haben wir nicht.

Können Sie uns helfen mit suchen nach geburtsdatum von Jacob Ergardt/Ergart und sein Eltern und auch nach die Eltern von Marya van der Hoeven von Lunt?

Unsere dank werde sehr gross sein, und machen Sie Unkosten (bei SeniorwebGenealogie Holland sagen wir kaffee mit kuchen und unkosten für kopieren) 

Mit herzliche grüss aus Holland von Lucy Eringaard.



Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/13 15:47:27
From: MyGenWeb <MyGenWeb(a)aol.com>

I'm sorry, I did not clarify.
 
Henry Schriever immigrated to America and eventually settled in Iowa.
 
It was there, in the 1925 census, that states his mother's name and maiden  
name.
 
Thank you.
Rachel Fafinski

[HN] Frank Joseph Overmann Thiene Germany B 14. Oktober 1847

Date: 2004/10/15 00:56:16
From: FOvermanni <FOvermanni(a)aol.com>

Mein Großer Großartiger Vater Offen Joseph Overmann der Geboren ist in Thiene 
Gremany am 14. Oktober 1847, der ist gekommen zu den Vereinigten Staaten in 
1876 mit Frederick P. Fletcher der ist auch mein Großer Großartiger Vater seine 
parients (Offenen Xavier Fletcher B11/7/1826 D7/10/1883 und Catherine 
Cohlheep B5/10/1832 D6/9/1902). Offene Verheiratete Mary Anna Bischof. Sie haben Zehn 
Kinder gehabt, die Ein mein großartiger Vater Frederick F. Overmann war. Sie 
haben nach Richmond, Virginia in 1866 bewegt. Während der Jahre hat mein Vater 
Frederick F. Overmann Jr. mich von Brief von unserer Familie in Gremany 
erzählt aber hat keine Aufzeichnung von sie oder Orts. Wenn irgendein ein von einer 
Hilfe sein kann, möchte ich meinen großen großartigen Vater parients Namen 
und wenn möglich irgendein von meinen Verwandten kennen. Dankt Frederick F. 
Overmann, III


                                                 Enlish
My Great Grand Father Frank Joseph Overmann Born in Thiene Gremany on October 
14, 1847, who came to the United States in 1876 with Frederick P. Fletcher 
who is also my Great Grand Father his parients  (Frank Xavier Fletcher  
B11/7/1826 D7/10/1883 and Catherine Cohlheep B5/10/1832 D6/9/1902) .  Frank Married 
Mary Anna Bishop. They had Ten Children one was my grand father Frederick F. 
Overmann. They moved to Richmond, Virginia in 1866. During the years my father 
Frederick F. Overmann Jr. told me of letter from our family in Gremany but do 
not have any record of them or location. If any one can be of some help I would 
like to know my great grand father parients names and if possible any of my 
relatives. 
Thanks
Frederick F. Overmann, III

[HN] Correction to Frank Joseph Overmann Thiene Germany B. 14. Dezember 1847

Date: 2004/10/15 04:16:27
From: FOvermanni <FOvermanni(a)aol.com>

Mein Großer Großartiger Vater Offen Joseph Overmann der Geboren ist in Thiene 
Deutschland am 14. Dezember 1847, der ist gekommen zu den Vereinigten Staaten 
um 1867 mit Frederick P. Fletcher der ist auch mein Groß Großartig Vater 
seine Eltern (Offene Xavier Fletcher B11/7/1826 D7/10/1883 und Catherine Cohlheep 
B5/10/1832 D6/9/1902). Offene Verheiratete Mary Anna Bischof in den 
Vereinigten Staaten. Sie haben Zehn Kinder gehabt, die Ein mein großartiger Vater 
Frederick F. Overmann war. Sie haben nach Richmond, Virginia im late1800 bewegt. 
Während der Jahre hat mein Vater Frederick F. Overmann Jr. mich von Briefen von 
unserer Familie in Deutschland erzählt aber hat keine Aufzeichnung von sie oder 
Orts. Wenn irgendein ein von einer Hilfe sein kann, möchte ich meine großen 
großartigen Väterelternnamen und wenn möglich irgendein von meinen Verwandten 
kennen. Dankt Frederick F. Overmann, III    




My Great Grand Father Frank Joseph Overmann Born in Thiene Germany on 
December 14, 1847, who came to the United States around 1867 with Frederick P. 
Fletcher who is also my Great Grand Father his parents (Frank Xavier Fletcher 
B11/7/1826 D7/10/1883 and Catherine Cohlheep B5/10/1832 D6/9/1902).  Frank Married 
Mary Anna Bishop in the united states. They had Ten Children one was my grand 
father Frederick F. Overmann. They moved to Richmond, Virginia in the late1800. 
During the years my father Frederick F. Overmann Jr. told me of letters from 
our family in Germany but do not have any record of them or location. If any 
one can be of some help I would like to know my great grand father parents 
names and if possible any of my relatives. 
Thanks
Frederick F. Overmann, III

Re: [HN] Correction to Frank Joseph Overmann Thiene Germany B. 14. Dezember 1847

Date: 2004/10/15 05:46:02
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Frederick,

      Thiene is near the town of Alfhausen which is probably where your
people went to church.  The LDS (Mormons) have films for Alfhausen - one
includes Catholic church records and another which has taxation records.  If
you are near a LDS  center, you may want to order those films and view them
there. 

Good luck,
Barbara
> 
> My Great Grand Father Frank Joseph Overmann Born in Thiene Germany on
> December 14, 1847, who came to the United States around 1867 with Frederick P.
> Fletcher who is also my Great Grand Father his parents (Frank Xavier Fletcher
> B11/7/1826 D7/10/1883 and Catherine Cohlheep B5/10/1832 D6/9/1902).  Frank
> Married 
> Mary Anna Bishop in the united states. They had Ten Children one was my grand
> father Frederick F. Overmann. They moved to Richmond, Virginia in the
> late1800. 
> During the years my father Frederick F. Overmann Jr. told me of letters from
> our family in Germany but do not have any record of them or location. If any
> one can be of some help I would like to know my great grand father parents
> names and if possible any of my relatives.
> Thanks
> Frederick F. Overmann, III
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[HN] Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/15 13:00:18
From: LWKoenig <LWKoenig(a)aol.com>

Hello,

I am new to the list and happy to have discovered it. My 
great-great-grandfather, Johann Bernard Wulf, emmigrated from Hannover to America ca. 1950. By 
1960, he and his wife (Mary?) Catherine Brinkmann, also from Hannover, were 
living in Louisville, Kentucky, USA (where I also live). Can anyone guide me to 
information regarding John's and/or Catherine's life in Hannover? I would be most 
grateful, and happy to offer what I know of their life here in America.

Thank you.

Linda Wulf Konig

[HN] Herkunft von Familiennamen

Date: 2004/10/16 09:40:47
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Hallo in die Runde,

bitte entschuldigt die Fehler vom vergangenen Freitag. Ich hoffe, dass der
Link zu dem Familiennamen in der "Welt" heute ok ist:

http://www.welt.de/data/2004/10/15/346191.html

Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht

Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel. 07158-4098
Im Web:  http://www.pauling-sp.de  und  http://home.genealogy.net/pauling.p
E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
Mitglied-Nr. 1672  Verein Computergenealogie


[HN] Wulf & Brinkmann -Correction

Date: 2004/10/17 05:39:25
From: LWKoenig <LWKoenig(a)aol.com>

Correction to original post:

Hi, I am new to the list and happy to have discovered it. My 
great-great-grandfather, Johann Bernard Wulf, emmigrated from Hannover to America, we think in 
the early 1850s. By 1860, he and his wife (Mary?) Catherine Brinkmann, also 
from Hannover, were living in Louisville, Kentucky, USA (where I also live). 
Can anyone guide me to information regarding John's and/or Catherine's life in 
Hannover before 1860? I would be most grateful, and very willing to offer what 
I know of their life here in America.

Linda Wulf Koenig



RE: [HN] Wulf & Brinkmann -Correction

Date: 2004/10/17 07:55:53
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hello Linda,

Hello,


Posted this record some time ago. I read your note and came to me. Don't know if this connects to you or not..but interesting that surname Brinkmanns? and Hoenig appear in St. Louis. Seems to me alot of the St. Louis Catholic Germans seem to have originated K.O.H.


My St. Louis ancestors (Feldhaus & Tobben) came from K.O.H. and I wonder if they might have had relatives from Kentucky as well, seems I noticed both surnames circa 1880 on Kentucky census, one having reference to Mo., Ky. and K.O.H. _ Not that this has anything to do with the subject...I ramble..




Shrine of Saint Joseph, St. Louis, Missouri
Marriage date  7 Sep 1848


SCHUMACHER****, Heinrich - Groom


Johann & Anna Theodora DRÄGE [Draege] - Heinrich Parents


HOENIG, Catharina - Bride  ??? Koenig maybe????


Ferdinand & Catharina BRINKMANNS - Bride Parents


Johann BOLWEG???, Bernard Hoenig??? & Friederich HERMESMAYER - witnesses Koenig????


Barbie
St. Louis, Missouri






From: LWKoenig(a)aol.com
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Wulf & Brinkmann -Correction
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:13:46 EDT

Correction to original post:

Hi, I am new to the list and happy to have discovered it. My
great-great-grandfather, Johann Bernard Wulf, emmigrated from Hannover to America, we think in
the early 1850s. By 1860, he and his wife (Mary?) Catherine Brinkmann, also
from Hannover, were living in Louisville, Kentucky, USA (where I also live). Can anyone guide me to information regarding John's and/or Catherine's life in Hannover before 1860? I would be most grateful, and very willing to offer what
I know of their life here in America.

Linda Wulf Koenig


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Re: [HN] Wulf & Brinkmann -Correction

Date: 2004/10/17 08:52:51
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

Hello Linda,
 
don't you have any additional info? 
Both names Wulf (or Wolf) and Brinkmann are quite common in the large  
Hannover area.
 
Brigitte

Re: [HN] Wulf & Brinkmann -Correction

Date: 2004/10/17 10:54:38
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

The emigration book from the former county Lingen listed some Wulf emigrants, but not Johann Bernard and Catherine.
This persons are born in Thuine-Setlage, parish Thuine, catholics I believe.
Werner

> Correction to original post:

> Hi, I am new to the list and happy to have discovered it. My
> great-great-grandfather, Johann Bernard Wulf, emmigrated from Hannover to
> America, we think in
> the early 1850s. By 1860, he and his wife (Mary?) Catherine Brinkmann,
> also
> from Hannover, were living in Louisville, Kentucky, USA (where I also
> live).
> Can anyone guide me to information regarding John's and/or Catherine's
> life in
> Hannover before 1860? I would be most grateful, and very willing to offer
> what
> I know of their life here in America.

> Linda Wulf Koenig


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[HN] Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/17 12:28:39
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hello Linda,
The surname you are researching sent me down memory lane.  We used to see
Focke-Wulf aeroplanes in the skies over England during WWII.   I believe at
one time prisoners of war worked in the factory (below) which was in the
region of  Hanover.  :-

Focke-Wulf Airplane Factory, Bad Eilsen near Buckeburg, Germany

Cheers,
Rena
==

Hello,
I am new to the list and happy to have discovered it. My
great-great-grandfather, Johann Bernard Wulf, emmigrated from Hannover to
America ca. 1950. By
1960, he and his wife (Mary?) Catherine Brinkmann, also from Hannover, were
living in Louisville, Kentucky, USA (where I also live). Can anyone guide me
to
information regarding John's and/or Catherine's life in Hannover? I would be
most
grateful, and happy to offer what I know of their life here in America.
Thank you
Linda Wulf Konig LWKoenig(a)aol.com


[HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/17 17:01:40
From: jerry mercier <starfire1955(a)icehouse.net>

Hi!

I had posted just once before about my great-grandmother Karoline Dorothea Quaer? Querer?  Her maiden name is written so poorly on a document that I can only be sure of the "QU."  One lady was kind enough to give me the possible name of Quaider.

Does anyone out there know of any names from Kemnade, Holzminden in the early 1800's that started with "QU?'  She was born there in January of 1821.

Thank you.

Jerry



[HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/17 19:37:06
From: LWKoenig <LWKoenig(a)aol.com>

Barbie, Brigitte and Werner,

Thank you all for your responses, I really appreciate them. My Koenig (I've 
seen Hoenig here and there, but am under the impression that it really was a 
seperate and distinct name) research is apart from my Wulf research, only 
because my husband's Koenigs (actually Konig) came from Hessen.

As far as I know, my branch of Wulf wasn't in St. Louis - but I may be wrong. 
There's reason to believe they may have been in Cincinnati, Ohio for a while. 
Unfortunately it was probably between census years.

Brigitte, thank you for reminding me that I gave no details regarding John 
and Catherine. John Bernard Wulf was born in Hannover 1820 to 1825. 
(Mary?)Catherine Brinkmann was born in Hannover 1833 to 1836.  They may have come from 
large families, as they went on to have ten children, all born in Kentucky 
according to census information. I have reason to believe that Johann's father in 
Hannover was also named Johann - and that he also came to the U.S. - either with 
his son or perhaps later. I've found many, many immigration (and emigration) 
records on Johann Wulf, but it's a prolific name, and in every record I 
actually view on Ancestry.com, Johann always has a different wife and children, or 
he is by himself - which makes it impossible to verify his identity.

Thank you all,
Linda 

[HN] re; ENGELHARD , Carl from Bilshausen

Date: 2004/10/17 21:22:36
From: TTCarverFL <TTCarverFL(a)aol.com>

Greetings;

I am also researching my Engelhard line from Bilshausen, Former Kingdom of 
Hanover.
Anton Engelhard born 1826 in Bilshausendied 1869 in Covington, Kentucky, USA.
Wife's name; Elizabeth URBAN born 1826 in Bilshausen.
Their son Carl Anton Engelhardt born 1851 in Bilshausen.
Anton & Elizabeth Engelhard later had 4 daughters born in Kentucky and 
Cincinnati, Ohio.
I am from the line of their daughter Catherine Engelhard.1853

I recently ordered a film from the LDS site it was Catholic Church records 
from Bilshausen 1600s to 1852.

I found my Anton Carl Engelhard christening record it listed his parent's and 
Grandfather
Carl Engelhard.

Thanks for any and all information in advance.
Tom 

Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/17 21:31:18
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Linda

    What religion were the Wulfs and Brinkmanns?  John Bernard is a very
common name in the Emsland area.  I find a Johann Bernard in 1794, but these
are Catholic records and that date is too early.

Barbara





on 10/17/04 11:32 AM, LWKoenig(a)aol.com at LWKoenig(a)aol.com wrote:

> Barbie, Brigitte and Werner,
> 
> Thank you all for your responses, I really appreciate them. My Koenig (I've
> seen Hoenig here and there, but am under the impression that it really was a
> seperate and distinct name) research is apart from my Wulf research, only
> because my husband's Koenigs (actually Konig) came from Hessen.
> 
> As far as I know, my branch of Wulf wasn't in St. Louis - but I may be wrong.
> There's reason to believe they may have been in Cincinnati, Ohio for a while.
> Unfortunately it was probably between census years.
> 
> Brigitte, thank you for reminding me that I gave no details regarding John
> and Catherine. John Bernard Wulf was born in Hannover 1820 to 1825.
> (Mary?)Catherine Brinkmann was born in Hannover 1833 to 1836.  They may have
> come from 
> large families, as they went on to have ten children, all born in Kentucky
> according to census information. I have reason to believe that Johann's father
> in 
> Hannover was also named Johann - and that he also came to the U.S. - either
> with 
> his son or perhaps later. I've found many, many immigration (and emigration)
> records on Johann Wulf, but it's a prolific name, and in every record I
> actually view on Ancestry.com, Johann always has a different wife and
> children, or 
> he is by himself - which makes it impossible to verify his identity.
> 
> Thank you all,
> Linda 
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Re: [HN] re; ENGELHARD , Carl from Bilshausen

Date: 2004/10/17 23:23:27
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Tom,

     Don't the church records go back any further with the Engelhard name?
You might try a Google search for "Engelhard of Bilshausen" -- that brings
up some pages that might be worth exploring.

Barbara
   



on 10/17/04 1:22 PM, TTCarverFL(a)aol.com at TTCarverFL(a)aol.com wrote:

> Greetings;
> 
> I am also researching my Engelhard line from Bilshausen, Former Kingdom of
> Hanover.
> Anton Engelhard born 1826 in Bilshausendied 1869 in Covington, Kentucky, USA.
> Wife's name; Elizabeth URBAN born 1826 in Bilshausen.
> Their son Carl Anton Engelhardt born 1851 in Bilshausen.
> Anton & Elizabeth Engelhard later had 4 daughters born in Kentucky and
> Cincinnati, Ohio.
> I am from the line of their daughter Catherine Engelhard.1853
> 
> I recently ordered a film from the LDS site it was Catholic Church records
> from Bilshausen 1600s to 1852.
> 
> I found my Anton Carl Engelhard christening record it listed his parent's and
> Grandfather
> Carl Engelhard.
> 
> Thanks for any and all information in advance.
> Tom 
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[HN] re;ENGELHARD's from BILSHAUSEN

Date: 2004/10/17 23:33:41
From: TTCarverFL <TTCarverFL(a)aol.com>

Greetings all;

My ENGELHARD line came from Bilshausen, Former Kingdom of Hanover.

Anton Engelhard born 1826 in Bilshausen, 
Father's name Carl Engelhard

Anton Engelhardt married Elizabeth URBAN in Bilshausen about 1850 
Their only son Anton Carl Engelhardt born 1851 in Bilshausen.
1852 my Engelhardt family arrived in New York, USA.
They finally settled in Covington, Kentucky.
Where they had 4 daughters.
The LDS church has the Catholic Church records for Bilshausen 1634-1852 on 
film.
That's how I found the name Carl Engelhard.
I noticed this old post to your site listed below. The person seems to be 
researching the same line as mine I sent him and email and it was bounced.
Thanks for any and all information in advance.
Tom 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Reinhard.Freytag" <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>
To: <HANNOVER-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 12:57 PM
Subject: [HN] "Bi - Boe" TOWNS AND SURNAMES LOWER SAXONY


> Some weeks ago i published all my towns, in which i am investigating for
my
> family since last 20 years. I promised to complete this list with
Surnames.
> Today "Bi- Boe" - towns and the surnames.
> Reinhard
>
>
> Bilshausen/GÖ
> Biermann, Engelhard, Kahl, Rudolph, Zellmann
>

[HN] re;Bilshausen church records

Date: 2004/10/17 23:39:55
From: TTCarverFL <TTCarverFL(a)aol.com>

Barbara, 
They are written in Latin and German cursive only. From the 1600s until 1830s 
they are written in paragraph style. About 1834 they begin to use a more form 
like style. 
I noticed the Engelhard name in the early 1600s in Bilshausen. Since I read 
neither Latin or German it was very tedious. I copied a few of the records 
where I noticed the Engelhard name.
Tom

Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/18 00:01:28
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Hi Linda,

Did you look at this site?

http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Seiten/Haseluenne/RegisterNamen.html

The names Wulf and Brinkmann appear.

Seems I remember a lister looking for Feldhaus/Wulf/Grote whose family ended up in Ohio. I think Haseluenne was the origin for her ancestors.

I don't know if my Feldhaus line is linked with the Hasseluenne Feldhaus.. My ancestor aswander says born in Lahden. Holt Ksp. (I think)... I think same general locale. Anyhow many same surnames appear also in St. Louis, Mo.

I know there were Feldhaus in Kentucky also..been curious if connected...though pure speculation.

Anyhow seems like many of the immigrants came to midwest thru New Orleans..so probobly up the Mississippi....

Know any other family names from Hannover? Or perhaps neighbors to your ancestor originating from Hannover might give clue? I blather.

Barbie
St. Louis





From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:30:23 -0600

Hi Linda

    What religion were the Wulfs and Brinkmanns?  John Bernard is a very
common name in the Emsland area. I find a Johann Bernard in 1794, but these
are Catholic records and that date is too early.

Barbara





on 10/17/04 11:32 AM, LWKoenig(a)aol.com at LWKoenig(a)aol.com wrote:

> Barbie, Brigitte and Werner,
>
> Thank you all for your responses, I really appreciate them. My Koenig (I've > seen Hoenig here and there, but am under the impression that it really was a > seperate and distinct name) research is apart from my Wulf research, only
> because my husband's Koenigs (actually Konig) came from Hessen.
>
> As far as I know, my branch of Wulf wasn't in St. Louis - but I may be wrong. > There's reason to believe they may have been in Cincinnati, Ohio for a while.
> Unfortunately it was probably between census years.
>
> Brigitte, thank you for reminding me that I gave no details regarding John
> and Catherine. John Bernard Wulf was born in Hannover 1820 to 1825.
> (Mary?)Catherine Brinkmann was born in Hannover 1833 to 1836. They may have
> come from
> large families, as they went on to have ten children, all born in Kentucky > according to census information. I have reason to believe that Johann's father
> in
> Hannover was also named Johann - and that he also came to the U.S. - either
> with
> his son or perhaps later. I've found many, many immigration (and emigration)
> records on Johann Wulf, but it's a prolific name, and in every record I
> actually view on Ancestry.com, Johann always has a different wife and
> children, or
> he is by himself - which makes it impossible to verify his identity.
>
> Thank you all,
> Linda
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[HN] genealogy

Date: 2004/10/18 01:13:05
From: Jack D Strangmann <jacks(a)ocii.com>

Hi list,

I'm looking for the Strangmann's of the Northern Kingdom of Hanover. They hailed from a village of Strange.
That is where my GGG father Johann Diederich was born (1813) 
His Parents: Dietrich and Cathrine Marie, came originally from a place called Sunder, which is SE of Bremen, also in Northern Hanover. I've been trying to find a connection, between the Windheim tribe of the same name, however no luck.
If there is anybody that can shed some light on  my very illusive ancestors it would be very much appreciated. Thank you!
Jack D Strangmann 

RE: [HN] genealogy

Date: 2004/10/18 01:42:52
From: maryjane O'C-L <maryjane_ocl(a)hotmail.com>

   Hello Jack Strangman and anyone who may be interested in the
   follwowing site, it has many German names of those who married in ST
   Loius.

   Bethlehem Lutheran Church Marriages 1850 - 1874 (these records were
   translated from the German language as the church was maily a german
   place of worship)

   [1]http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/BethMarriages.htm

   There is a stangmann mentioned but you wil have to look hard for it,
   the list of long !!!

   MaryJane  >>>> from a much wetter and cooler UK <<< Autumn in here lol
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   >Hi list,
   >
   >I'm looking for the Strangmann's of the Northern Kingdom of Hanover.
   They hailed from a village of Strange.
   >That is where my GGG father Johann Diederich was born (1813)
   >His Parents: Dietrich and Cathrine Marie, came originally from a
   place called Sunder, which is SE of Bremen, also in Northern Hanover.
   I've been trying to find a connection, between the Windheim tribe of
   the same name, however no luck.
   >If there is anybody that can shed some light on  my very illusive
   ancestors it would be very much appreciated. Thank you!
   >Jack D Strangmann
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References

   1. http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/BethMarriages.htm

RE: [HN] genealogy

Date: 2004/10/18 01:49:18
From: maryjane O'C-L <maryjane_ocl(a)hotmail.com>

   Hi agaih Jack ,

   I meant to also tell you to go to Google search engine and  type  in
   Johann Diederich  Strangmann  .  You will find quite a lotof sites
   with the Strangmann name, some of which may be of help to you. Most of
   the sites are in German but before you click on the site you should
   click on the (translate this page ) for the english version ... There
   are many Strangmanns to be found.

   Good luck in your searching .

   MaryJane...........UK
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   >His Parents: Dietrich and Cathrine Marie, came originally from a
   place called Sunder, which is SE of Bremen, also in Northern Hanover.
   I've been trying to find a connection, between the Windheim tribe of
   the same name, however no luck.
   >If there is anybody that can shed some light on  my very illusive
   ancestors it would be very much appreciated. Thank you!
   >Jack D Strangmann
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Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/18 02:00:51
From: TTCarverFL <TTCarverFL(a)aol.com>

Greetings all;

GROTE in Ohio

In 1918 my Grandmother lived in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio on my 
father's birth
certificate it list a Katie Grote as Mid-wife
at that time she was a 70 year old lady born in Germany.
Tom in Florida

Researching the surnames ENGELHART & URBAN from Bilshausen,
 Former Kingdom of Hanover

Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/18 07:32:56
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Jerry,

      I've been searching names starting  with Qu and there are a large
number of persons in Germany with the name of Querner.  Check it out on the
LDS page with no first name listed in the search.  Or the German phonebook:

http://www.telefonbuch.de/

Google searches are good as well.

Good luck,
Barbara







on 10/11/04 5:42 PM, jerry mercier at starfire1955(a)icehouse.net wrote:

> Halo!,
> This is a real shot in the dark for me, but I stumbled onto your website by
> surfing the Internet.  Really hoping someone may help me.
> My great-grandmother was from Wisconsin - U.S., and prior to that was from
> Kemnade, Holzminden, Braunschweig.  Her married name was Dorothea Maas, but
> her maiden name was Quaer, Queren, or Querer.  She was born 5 January, 1821.
> Sorry, but it is very difficult to read her exact name.
> Would anyone know of a name in the Kemnade, Holzminden area like Quaer, Queren
> or Querer?
> Danke!
> Jerry
> 
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[HN] Kemnade, Holzminden QUEREN

Date: 2004/10/18 08:43:39
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>


Jerry Mercier asked:

I had posted just once before about my great-grandmother Karoline Dorothea Quaer? Querer? Her maiden name is written so poorly on a document that I can only be sure of the "QU." One lady was kind enough to give me the possible name of Quaider. Does anyone out there know of any names from Kemnade, Holzminden in the early 1800's that started with "QU?' She was born there in January of 1821.
Thank you.


Hello Jerry,
I have looked in the British archives and there is no mention of any name from KEMNADE or HOLZMINDEN. However, is the name you require 'Queren'?

There was mention of a town called Querenheim. (English meaning = Traverse Home). If you Google HOLZMINDEN then input QUEREN you will find there are still some families of that name living there.

In case someone does a Google looking for BOCK in Querenheim, I quote the archive record here

<snip>HENRY BOCK Born QUERENHEIM, Hanover Served in King's German Legion Discharged aged 46 / year: 1805-1815 <snip>

Best Regards,
Rena in England.

Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/18 10:15:05
From: Lucy Eringaard <luceringaard(a)hetnet.nl>

this url is not attainable. With greatings Lucy Eringaard.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann


> Hi Linda,
>
> Did you look at this site?
>
>
http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Seiten/Haseluenne/RegisterNamen.html
>
> The names Wulf and Brinkmann appear.
>
> Seems I remember a lister looking for Feldhaus/Wulf/Grote whose family
ended
> up in Ohio. I think Haseluenne was the origin for her ancestors.
>
> I don't know if my Feldhaus line is linked with the Hasseluenne Feldhaus..
> My ancestor aswander says  born in Lahden. Holt Ksp. (I think)... I think
> same general locale. Anyhow many same surnames appear also in St. Louis,
Mo.
>
> I know there were Feldhaus in Kentucky also..been curious if
> connected...though pure speculation.
>
> Anyhow seems like many of the immigrants came to midwest thru New
> Orleans..so probobly up the Mississippi....
>
> Know any other family names from Hannover?  Or perhaps neighbors to your
> ancestor originating from Hannover might give clue?  I blather.
>
> Barbie
> St. Louis
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann
> >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:30:23 -0600
> >
> >Hi Linda
> >
> >     What religion were the Wulfs and Brinkmanns?  John Bernard is a very
> >common name in the Emsland area.  I find a Johann Bernard in 1794, but
> >these
> >are Catholic records and that date is too early.
> >
> >Barbara
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >on 10/17/04 11:32 AM, LWKoenig(a)aol.com at LWKoenig(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Barbie, Brigitte and Werner,
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your responses, I really appreciate them. My Koenig
> >(I've
> > > seen Hoenig here and there, but am under the impression that it really
> >was a
> > > seperate and distinct name) research is apart from my Wulf research,
> >only
> > > because my husband's Koenigs (actually Konig) came from Hessen.
> > >
> > > As far as I know, my branch of Wulf wasn't in St. Louis - but I may be
> >wrong.
> > > There's reason to believe they may have been in Cincinnati, Ohio for a
> >while.
> > > Unfortunately it was probably between census years.
> > >
> > > Brigitte, thank you for reminding me that I gave no details regarding
> >John
> > > and Catherine. John Bernard Wulf was born in Hannover 1820 to 1825.
> > > (Mary?)Catherine Brinkmann was born in Hannover 1833 to 1836.  They
may
> >have
> > > come from
> > > large families, as they went on to have ten children, all born in
> >Kentucky
> > > according to census information. I have reason to believe that
Johann's
> >father
> > > in
> > > Hannover was also named Johann - and that he also came to the U.S. -
> >either
> > > with
> > > his son or perhaps later. I've found many, many immigration (and
> >emigration)
> > > records on Johann Wulf, but it's a prolific name, and in every record
I
> > > actually view on Ancestry.com, Johann always has a different wife and
> > > children, or
> > > he is by himself - which makes it impossible to verify his identity.
> > >
> > > Thank you all,
> > > Linda
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
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> >
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>
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Re: Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/18 17:05:23
From: Reinhard . Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

This procedure is like looking for SMITH in the PHONEBOOKS
of New York.

Sorry, but....


-- 
Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:32:36 +0200
> Subject: Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden
> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>

> Hello Jerry,
> 
> I've been searching names starting  with Qu and there are
a large
> number of persons in Germany with the name of Querner. 
Check it out
> on the LDS page with no first name listed in the search. 
Or the
> German phonebook: 
> http://www.telefonbuch.de/
> 
> Google searches are good as well.
> 
> Good luck,
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 10/11/04 5:42 PM, jerry mercier at
starfire1955(a)icehouse.net wrote:
> 
> 
> > Halo!,
> > This is a real shot in the dark for me, but I stumbled
onto your
> > website by surfing the Internet.  Really hoping someone
may help me.
> > My great-grandmother was from Wisconsin - U.S., and
prior to that
> > was from Kemnade, Holzminden, Braunschweig.  Her married
name was
> > Dorothea Maas, but her maiden name was Quaer, Queren, or
Querer. 
> > She was born 5 January, 1821.
> > Sorry, but it is very difficult to read her exact name.
> > Would anyone know of a name in the Kemnade, Holzminden
area like
> > Quaer, Queren or Querer?
> > Danke!
> > Jerry
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > 
> 
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[HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/18 17:17:20
From: LWKoenig <LWKoenig(a)aol.com>

Thanks everyone. Rena, I've seen the Focke-Wulf planes mentioned during my 
google searches for Wulf. I hadn't ever heard of them before then, but my 
18-year-old son, who reads books on military planes, weapons, and tactics, sure knew 
about them. Speaking of POWs, one of my dad's Wulf cousins was logging Nazi 
POWs in at an Allied camp in Europe (France? England?) when he ran across a 
prisoner named Wulf. He questioned him through an interpreter - sure enough, they 
were cousins.

Barbie, I tried the website URL you gave me and for some reason it keeps 
telling me the page has expired. I'll keep trying.

Barbara, my Wulfs were/are Catholic, so the Brinkmanns probably were, too. 
Hadn't thought of doing research specifically on Catholics - good idea! 

Thanks again.

Linda


> Hi Linda
> >
> >   What religion were the Wulfs and Brinkmanns?  John Bernard is a very
> >common name in the Emsland area.  I find a Johann Bernard in 1794, but 
> >these
> >are Catholic records and that date is too early.
> >
> >Barbara

Re: [HN] Cornelius or Cornelissen

Date: 2004/10/18 17:36:06
From: cynthia <c.cornelius(a)wanadoo.nl>

Somehow the website isn't available?
I tried it many times now...

please help...

Cynthia
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Cornelius or Cornelissen


> Hi Cynthia,
>
>      You might find some of your people at this address:
>
> http://db.genealogy.net/ofb/stedesdorf/index_en.html
>
>      Go to "List of Surnames" and your will find a number of Cornelius
> listed.
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
> on 8/28/04 12:12 PM, cynthia at c.cornelius(a)wanadoo.nl wrote:
>
> > Im looking for any Cornelius or Cornelissen families in ostfrieslan,
outside
> > Leer(Hannover). I have indications on relatives in Bremen, Waltersbruck,
Hamm,
> > Emden.
> >
> > Please let me know ive you come across Cornelius or Cornelissen
anywhere!
> >
> > Thank You!!
> >
> > Cynthia
> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/c-cornelius
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
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>



Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden QUEREN

Date: 2004/10/18 17:41:26
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Rena MCCARTHY" <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk> schrieb:
> 
> Jerry Mercier asked:
> 
> Does anyone out there know of any names from Kemnade, Holzminden 
> 
>  If you Google HOLZMINDEN then input QUEREN you will find there are still 
> some families of that name living there.
> 

Hello Jerry and Rena,

Attention: Kemnade is not Holzminden. Today Kemnade is part of the city of Bodenwerder. In former times Kemnade belongs to the Kreis (county) Holzminden in the Herzogtum (duchy) Braunschweig (until 1946). The road distance between Kemnade and the city of Holzminden is 27 km.

In the telephone directory of Bodenwerder there is only one name with "Qu..": QUAST.

Greetings
Wilfried (Petersen)


Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/18 17:47:23
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
     Try this to access the Haselünne information.  Go to Archive 1 and then
to
Namenverzeichnis

http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Frames/frame2.htmlHäuserv

Barbara


on 10/18/04 2:12 AM, Lucy Eringaard at luceringaard(a)hetnet.nl wrote:

> this url is not attainable. With greatings Lucy Eringaard.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann
> 
> 
>> Hi Linda,
>> 
>> Did you look at this site?
>> 
>> 
> http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Seiten/Haseluenne/RegisterN
> amen.html
>> 
>> The names Wulf and Brinkmann appear.
>> 
>> Seems I remember a lister looking for Feldhaus/Wulf/Grote whose family
> ended
>> up in Ohio. I think Haseluenne was the origin for her ancestors.
>> 
>> I don't know if my Feldhaus line is linked with the Hasseluenne Feldhaus..
>> My ancestor aswander says  born in Lahden. Holt Ksp. (I think)... I think
>> same general locale. Anyhow many same surnames appear also in St. Louis,
> Mo.
>> 
>> I know there were Feldhaus in Kentucky also..been curious if
>> connected...though pure speculation.
>> 
>> Anyhow seems like many of the immigrants came to midwest thru New
>> Orleans..so probobly up the Mississippi....
>> 
>> Know any other family names from Hannover?  Or perhaps neighbors to your
>> ancestor originating from Hannover might give clue?  I blather.
>> 
>> Barbie
>> St. Louis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>>> Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>>> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann
>>> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:30:23 -0600
>>> 
>>> Hi Linda
>>> 
>>> What religion were the Wulfs and Brinkmanns?  John Bernard is a very
>>> common name in the Emsland area.  I find a Johann Bernard in 1794, but
>>> these
>>> are Catholic records and that date is too early.
>>> 
>>> Barbara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on 10/17/04 11:32 AM, LWKoenig(a)aol.com at LWKoenig(a)aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Barbie, Brigitte and Werner,
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you all for your responses, I really appreciate them. My Koenig
>>> (I've
>>>> seen Hoenig here and there, but am under the impression that it really
>>> was a
>>>> seperate and distinct name) research is apart from my Wulf research,
>>> only
>>>> because my husband's Koenigs (actually Konig) came from Hessen.
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I know, my branch of Wulf wasn't in St. Louis - but I may be
>>> wrong.
>>>> There's reason to believe they may have been in Cincinnati, Ohio for a
>>> while.
>>>> Unfortunately it was probably between census years.
>>>> 
>>>> Brigitte, thank you for reminding me that I gave no details regarding
>>> John
>>>> and Catherine. John Bernard Wulf was born in Hannover 1820 to 1825.
>>>> (Mary?)Catherine Brinkmann was born in Hannover 1833 to 1836.  They
> may
>>> have
>>>> come from
>>>> large families, as they went on to have ten children, all born in
>>> Kentucky
>>>> according to census information. I have reason to believe that
> Johann's
>>> father
>>>> in
>>>> Hannover was also named Johann - and that he also came to the U.S. -
>>> either
>>>> with
>>>> his son or perhaps later. I've found many, many immigration (and
>>> emigration)
>>>> records on Johann Wulf, but it's a prolific name, and in every record
> I
>>>> actually view on Ancestry.com, Johann always has a different wife and
>>>> children, or
>>>> he is by himself - which makes it impossible to verify his identity.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you all,
>>>> Linda
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Hannover-L mailing list
>>>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hannover-L mailing list
>>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
> 
> 
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] Cornelius or Cornelissen

Date: 2004/10/18 18:41:37
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hi Cynthia,

I have tried also. All o.k., no problems.

Wilfried


"cynthia" <c.cornelius(a)wanadoo.nl> schrieb:
> Somehow the website isn't available?
> I tried it many times now...
> 
> please help...
> 
> Cynthia
> 
> > Hi Cynthia,
> >
> >      You might find some of your people at this address:
> >
> > http://db.genealogy.net/ofb/stedesdorf/index_en.html
> >
> >      Go to "List of Surnames" and your will find a number of Cornelius
> > listed.
> >
> > Barbara



[HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann - Lucy

Date: 2004/10/18 18:44:11
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hallo Lucy,
The URL is available - perhaps you would be able to access the names and addresses if you just entered the main page, which is:-
http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de

Regards,
Rena in England
----------------------
From: "Lucy Eringaard" <luceringaard(a)hetnet.nl>

this url is not attainable. With greatings Lucy Eringaard.

From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Hi Linda,>
Did you look at this site?
> The names Wulf and Brinkmann appear.

http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Seiten/Haseluenne/RegisterNamen.html


[HN] Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel, Wedemark

Date: 2004/10/18 19:32:29
From: Karen Kolp <K.Kolp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,

seit einiger Zeit lese ich schon in der Liste mit und jetzt möchte ich mich
vorstellen.

Mein Name ist Karen Kolp und ich befasse mich seit knapp 3 Jahren mit der
Erforschung der Vorfahren meiner Familie (Neumark und Schlesien) und bin
jetzt
bei der Linie meines Mannes(Brandenburg und Hannover) angelangt.

Glücklicher Weise hatte ich für den von mir hauptsächlich gesuchten Namen
Meyer
aus Dudenbostel, Wedemark einen Stammbaum als Anhaltspunkt vorliegen.
Da aber die Daten z.T. fehlerhaft bzw. unvollständig waren, habe ich mich
entschlossen, die Daten noch einmal genau zu überprüfen und zu
vervollständigen.
Dadurch kam eine Menge Datenmaterial zusammen, dass ich natürlich auch gerne
weitergebe.

Da es sich hier um mehr als 1.500 Personennamen handelt, habe ich die Daten
etwas knapper zusammengefasst.


*Gemeinde Wedemark:*
Abbensen,Bennemühlen,Bissendorf, Dudenbostel, Elze, Fuhrberg, Hellendorf,
Ibsingen, Meitze, Negenborn, Oegenbostel, Plumhoff, Resse, Rodenbostel,
Scherenbostel, Wennebostel, Wiechendorf

Beckmann, Beermannm, Behren, Biermann, Bihrmann, Blume, Bothmer, Brockmann,
Busse, Brauckmann, Bruns, Busse,Dangers, Dedeke, Degender, Döpke, Eilers,
Eickhoff, Engelke, Feddeler, Fortmöller, Frömling, Frederking, Frerking,
Giesemann, Gleue, Gödecke, Görjes, Görjetz,Graes,  Gragers, Grauers, 
Hachmeister, Hanebuth, Hapke, Hase, Haselmann, Hasen, Hasselbrink, Hecht,
Heidorn, Hemme, Hoggrefen, Hogrefen, Holsten, Kasten, Kaufmann, Kaunen,
Kehrbach, Kohnen, Küker, Lammers, Landers, Langehenje, Linneweh, Ludowig,
Lumann, Martens, Meine, Meier, Mesenbrink, Meyer, Möhlen, Möller,
Mußmann, Niemeyer, Ohlhorst, Paulmann, Plincken, Plinke, Plumhoff,
Pralle, Rahlfs, Ralves, Rieckenberg, Riechers, Ridder, Rissen, Robberts,
Rodenbostel, Rothermund, Rose, Schneehage, Schröder, Segelken,
Segelkin, Segelking, Sindorf, Stille, Strasmann, Stünckel, Stuke,
Theilmann, Thiele, Thielking, Thies, Thiesse, Timpe, Ülschen, Ulschen,
Volbers, Volkmers, Volmers, Voltmers, Vortmüller, Wiedenhöfer, Wienhöfer,
Wiesen, Willers, Wischmann,Wöhler, Zietz


*Kreis Neustadt a. Rübenberge:*
Amedorf, Basse, Bordenau, Brase, Esperke, Evensen, Helstorf, Ladeholz,
Luttmersen, Mandelsloh, Mariensee, Metel, Niedernstöcken, Rodewald, 
Scharrel, Suttorf, Vesbeck, Warmeloh            
                         
Backhaus, Bauermeister, Bartels, Bartling, Baumgarte, Bock, Bohm,
Bostel, Bothmer, Brabant, Brauckmann,Bruns, Bütehorn, Burmester,
Buschmann, Clausing, Constabel, Constabels, Dannenberg, Dedeke,
Degener, Degenhard, Diekmann, Dierking, Dettmer, Dettmering,
Drösemeier, Ehlers, Eickhoff, Evers, Feddeler, Feisken, Frederking,
Frerking, Frömling, Gaers, Garberding, Gerberding, Gode,
Görs, Graas, Grauers, Hachmeister, Hahne, Hahnen, Hanebuth,
Hartjen, Hecht, Heidorn, Heims, Heine, Hemme, Heuer, Hochs, Höper,
Höyer, Hoggrefen, Homann, Jürgens, Kehrbach, Klingemann, Knigge,
Koch, Kohnen, Kuhls, Kreienberg, Krumwiede, Küker, Lammers,
Langehenje, Langreder, Leiseberg, Leseberg, Lindhorst, Lindwedel,
Linneweh,Lipitz, Ludowig, Lücke, Lürsen, Lüsenhop, Meier,
Meimann, Meins, Mente, Menzer, Metterhausen, Meyer, Möller,
Mohrhoff, Niemeier, Oelerking, Peters, Pfingsten, Plumhoff,
Prüser, Rahlfs, Ralves, Reineke, Riechers, Rieckenberg, Ridder,
Ringe, Rissen,Rodenbostel, Rose, Rothermund, Rust, Schardau,
Scharnhorst, Schmuck, Schneehage, Schöneberg,Schrader, Schröder,
Schünhoff, Schulte, Schulze, Sekelken,  Segelking, Sindorf,
Sprengel, Steding, Stille,Stünkel, Stuke, Suren, Theilmann,
Thielking, Thiesing, Thormann, Timme, Tolle, Ülschen, Vahrenkamp,
Veesche, Vesche, Veske, Volbers, Volkmers, Weneken, Wiebe, Wöhler,
Wolckenhauer 


*Krs. Soltau-Fallingbostel:* 
Buchholz, Eickeloh, Eilvese, Essel, Gilten, Hope, Lindwedel, Norddrebber,
Schwarmstedt  
                         
Bauermeister, Beuermeister, Bütehorn, Burmester, Brauckmann,
Brockmann, Degener, Feddeler, Feine, Frederking,Frine,  Engehausen,
Karstens, Koltsse, Lahens, Lindwedel, Lohens, Mesenbrink, Meyer,
Narjes, Resman, Schneehage

Ich hoffe auf eine gute Zusammenarbeit!

Viele Grüsse

Karen Kolp      



[HN] Norddeutsche Genealogiebörse am 23. Okto ber in Cloppenburg

Date: 2004/10/18 21:25:47
From: Womartens <Womartens(a)aol.com>

Hallo Familienforscher,

in wenigen Tagen, am Sonnabend, den 23. Oktober 2004, findet in der Zeit von 
10.00 bis 17.00 Uhr die 4. Norddeutsche Computergenealogiebörse in Cloppenburg 
statt, der Eintritt ist frei.

Als Veranstaltungsort hat die Oldenburgische Gesellschaft für Familienkunde 
e.V. (OGF) das Niedersächsische Freilichtmuseum - Museumsdorf Cloppenburg 
(49661 Cloppenburg, Bether Strasse 6) ausgewählt. In der Münchhausenscheune werden 
30 Aussteller vertreten sein, darunter genealogische Vereine und Verbände aus 
Niedersachsen, Bremen und den Niederlanden, Softwarefirmen und Archive. 
Weitere Informationen befinden sich auf der Homepage: 
www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de

Zur diesjährigen Genealogiebörse wurde auch ein kurzes Vortragsprogramm 
zusammengestellt: 
Friedrich Wragge erklärt die Kirchenbuchdatenaufnahme, 
Familienzusammenstellung und Ortsfamilienbuch am Beispiel der Gemeinde Berne. Dr. Wolfgang Grams von 
"Routes to the Roots" berichtet über Recherchemöglichkeiten zu Auswanderern 
und von seinen Besuchen bei den Nachfahren der Amerika-Auswanderer.

Der Familienkundliche Arbeitskreis im Heimatbund Oldenburger Münsterland wird 
eine große Sammlung von ‚Totenzetteln' zeigen. In manchen katholischen 
Gebieten ist es seit dem 19. Jahrhundert üblich, bei Beerdigungen Totenzettel oder 
Gedenkblättchen zu verteilen. Diese ‚Zettel' haben in der Regel ein Bildnis des 
Verstorbenen und biographische Angaben. 

Die OGF wird die erste Version ihrer neuen Auswanderer-Datenbank 
demonstrieren.

Ferner haben Sie und Ihre Angehörigen als Besucher der Genealogiebörse die 
Möglichkeit, das Museumsdorf Cloppenburg zu einem reduzierten Eintrittspreis zu 
erkunden. Besonders reizvoll dürfte die neue Austellung zum Thema "Adel auf 
dem Lande - Kultur und Herrschaft des Adels zwischen Weser und Ems" im Haus 
Arkenstede sein. Weitere Informationen hierzu finden Sie auch unter: 
www.museumsdorf.de

Also, es lohnt sich zu kommen !

Bis Sonnabend in Cloppenburg
Gerold Diers und Wolfgang Martens
Oldenburgische Gesellschaft für Familienkunde e.V.
www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de

[HN] Suche den VORNAMEN

Date: 2004/10/18 21:27:02
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)manquehue.net>

Suche den VORNAMEN von: 
****************************************************************** 
FRIDERICI, NN.......... 
* ... , begr. 12.04.1724 in Idensen. 
Gerichts Schreiber in ... 
oo ................. ("die alte Gerichtsschreibersche"), 
* ... , begr. 30.11.1727 in Idensen. 
Quelle: Aus der Abschrift des KB's von Idensen, 1724, 1727. 
****************************************************************** 
Wer kann helfen ?  
jeder Hinweis ist von Interesse. 
Herzliche Grüsse aus Santiago de Chile  
Georg Friederici 
* 



[HN] Suche FRIDERICI in und um Hannover

Date: 2004/10/18 21:31:22
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)manquehue.net>

Suche die 'Eltern' der folgenden Namensträger: 
1. Johann Heinrich Wilhelm Friderici (* um 1742 in ... , † ... )
2. Johann Conrad Friderici (* 1745 in ... , † 1806 in Hannover)
Kanzlist und später Registrator bei der Kriegskanzlei in Hannover
vielleicht ein Bruder:
3. Johann Ernst Gerhard Friderici (* 1741 in ... , † 1821 in Hannover)
Kammerschreiber in Hannover
..................................................................................... 
Suche die 'Eltern' von:  
Joannis (Johannes) Friderici (* um 1742 in ... , † ... ) 
Sergeant in der Kurhannoverschen Armee 
Vielleicht personengleich mit Johann Heinrich Wilhelm Friderici ? 
..........................................................................
Suche die 'Kinder' von: 
Conrad Gerhard Joachim Hartwig Friderici 
* 31.01.1808 in Hannover, † ... 
 Jagd-Sekretär in Hannover 
oo Charlotte Therese Mathilde Gleimann 
................................................................... 
Wer kann helfen ?  
Jeder Hinweis ist von Interesse. 
Mich interessieren alle auftretenden Namensträger Friderici / Friederici in und um Hannover.
........................................................... 
Herzliche Grüsse aus Santiago de Chile  
Georg Friederici 
* 


Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/18 21:44:24
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,
     I am sorry, but I think the address I sent for the Haselünne census
doesn't .  It should be:
http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Frames/frame2.html

   Go to Archive 1 and then go to Namenverzeichnis
Barbara





on 10/18/04 9:47 AM, R&B Stewart at raybarbara(a)comcast.net wrote:

> Hello,
> Try this to access the Haselünne information.  Go to Archive 1 and then
> to
> Namenverzeichnis
> 
> http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Frames/frame2.htmlHäuserv
> 
> Barbara
> 
> 
> on 10/18/04 2:12 AM, Lucy Eringaard at luceringaard(a)hetnet.nl wrote:
> 
>> this url is not attainable. With greatings Lucy Eringaard.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
>> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Linda,
>>> 
>>> Did you look at this site?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Seiten/Haseluenne/Registe
r>> N
>> amen.html
>>> 
>>> The names Wulf and Brinkmann appear.
>>> 
>>> Seems I remember a lister looking for Feldhaus/Wulf/Grote whose family
>> ended
>>> up in Ohio. I think Haseluenne was the origin for her ancestors.
>>> 
>>> I don't know if my Feldhaus line is linked with the Hasseluenne Feldhaus..
>>> My ancestor aswander says  born in Lahden. Holt Ksp. (I think)... I think
>>> same general locale. Anyhow many same surnames appear also in St. Louis,
>> Mo.
>>> 
>>> I know there were Feldhaus in Kentucky also..been curious if
>>> connected...though pure speculation.
>>> 
>>> Anyhow seems like many of the immigrants came to midwest thru New
>>> Orleans..so probobly up the Mississippi....
>>> 
>>> Know any other family names from Hannover?  Or perhaps neighbors to your
>>> ancestor originating from Hannover might give clue?  I blather.
>>> 
>>> Barbie
>>> St. Louis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
>>>> Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>>>> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann
>>>> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:30:23 -0600
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Linda
>>>> 
>>>> What religion were the Wulfs and Brinkmanns?  John Bernard is a very
>>>> common name in the Emsland area.  I find a Johann Bernard in 1794, but
>>>> these
>>>> are Catholic records and that date is too early.
>>>> 
>>>> Barbara
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on 10/17/04 11:32 AM, LWKoenig(a)aol.com at LWKoenig(a)aol.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Barbie, Brigitte and Werner,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you all for your responses, I really appreciate them. My Koenig
>>>> (I've
>>>>> seen Hoenig here and there, but am under the impression that it really
>>>> was a
>>>>> seperate and distinct name) research is apart from my Wulf research,
>>>> only
>>>>> because my husband's Koenigs (actually Konig) came from Hessen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as I know, my branch of Wulf wasn't in St. Louis - but I may be
>>>> wrong.
>>>>> There's reason to believe they may have been in Cincinnati, Ohio for a
>>>> while.
>>>>> Unfortunately it was probably between census years.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brigitte, thank you for reminding me that I gave no details regarding
>>>> John
>>>>> and Catherine. John Bernard Wulf was born in Hannover 1820 to 1825.
>>>>> (Mary?)Catherine Brinkmann was born in Hannover 1833 to 1836.  They
>> may
>>>> have
>>>>> come from
>>>>> large families, as they went on to have ten children, all born in
>>>> Kentucky
>>>>> according to census information. I have reason to believe that
>> Johann's
>>>> father
>>>>> in
>>>>> Hannover was also named Johann - and that he also came to the U.S. -
>>>> either
>>>>> with
>>>>> his son or perhaps later. I've found many, many immigration (and
>>>> emigration)
>>>>> records on Johann Wulf, but it's a prolific name, and in every record
>> I
>>>>> actually view on Ancestry.com, Johann always has a different wife and
>>>>> children, or
>>>>> he is by himself - which makes it impossible to verify his identity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you all,
>>>>> Linda
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Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/18 21:47:52
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

I have also catholics Wulf and Brinkmann in Lohne, but it is Oldenburg province, not Hannover.
Werner

> Thanks everyone. Rena, I've seen the Focke-Wulf planes mentioned during my
> google searches for Wulf. I hadn't ever heard of them before then, but my
> 18-year-old son, who reads books on military planes, weapons, and tactics,
> sure knew
> about them. Speaking of POWs, one of my dad's Wulf cousins was logging
> Nazi
> POWs in at an Allied camp in Europe (France? England?) when he ran across
> a
> prisoner named Wulf. He questioned him through an interpreter - sure
> enough, they
> were cousins.

> Barbie, I tried the website URL you gave me and for some reason it keeps
> telling me the page has expired. I'll keep trying.

> Barbara, my Wulfs were/are Catholic, so the Brinkmanns probably were, too.
> Hadn't thought of doing research specifically on Catholics - good idea!

> Thanks again.

> Linda


>> Hi Linda
>> >
>> >   What religion were the Wulfs and Brinkmanns?  John Bernard is a very
>> >common name in the Emsland area.  I find a Johann Bernard in 1794, but
>> >these
>> >are Catholic records and that date is too early.
>> >
>> >Barbara
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[HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/19 05:16:21
From: LWKoenig <LWKoenig(a)aol.com>

Thanks everyone. Rena, I've seen the Focke-Wulf planes mentioned during my 
google searches for Wulf. I hadn't ever heard of them before then, but my 
18-year-old son, who reads books on military planes, weapons, and tactics, sure knew 
about them. Speaking of POWs, one of my dad's Wulf cousins was logging Nazi 
POWs in at an Allied camp in Europe (France? England?) when he ran across a 
prisoner named Wulf. He questioned him through an interpreter - sure enough, they 
were cousins.

Barbie, I tried the website URL you gave me and for some reason it keeps 
telling me the page has expired. I'll keep trying.

Barbara, my Wulfs were/are Catholic, so the Brinkmanns probably were, too. 
Hadn't thought of doing research specifically on Catholics - good idea! 

Thanks again.

Linda

[HN] Re: Neuvorstellung - Neustadt...

Date: 2004/10/19 08:23:39
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Karen,

ich habe einige DANNENBERG in Pattensen und Hüpede, sowie RUST in Altenhagen und Stadt Hannover.
Ein Freund interessiert sich für RUST in Helstorf und KÜKER in Mariensee.


	Christoph Haupt



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TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
www.haupt-researcher.de



"Karen Kolp" <K.Kolp(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,
> 
> seit einiger Zeit lese ich schon in der Liste mit und jetzt möchte ich mich vorstellen.
> 
> Mein Name ist Karen Kolp und ich befasse mich seit knapp 3 Jahren mit der Erforschung der Vorfahren meiner Familie (Neumark und Schlesien)und bin jetzt bei der Linie meines Mannes (Brandenburg und Hannover)angelangt.
> 
> Glücklicher Weise hatte ich für den von mir hauptsächlich gesuchten Namen Meyer aus Dudenbostel, Wedemark einen Stammbaum als Anhaltspunkt vorliegen.
> Da aber die Daten z.T. fehlerhaft bzw. unvollständig waren, habe ich mich entschlossen, die Daten noch einmal genau zu überprüfen und zu vervollständigen.
> Dadurch kam eine Menge Datenmaterial zusammen, dass ich natürlich auch gerne weitergebe.
> 
> Da es sich hier um mehr als 1.500 Personennamen handelt, habe ich die Daten etwas knapper zusammengefasst.
> 
> 
> ...
> *Kreis Neustadt a. Rübenberge:*
> Amedorf, Basse, Bordenau, Brase, Esperke, Evensen, Helstorf, Ladeholz, Luttmersen, Mandelsloh, Mariensee, Metel, Niedernstöcken, Rodewald, Scharrel, Suttorf, Vesbeck, Warmeloh            
>                          
> Backhaus, Bauermeister, Bartels, Bartling, Baumgarte, Bock, Bohm, Bostel, Bothmer, Brabant, Brauckmann,Bruns, Bütehorn, Burmester, Buschmann, Clausing, Constabel, Constabels, Dannenberg, Dedeke, Degener, Degenhard, Diekmann, Dierking, Dettmer, Dettmering, Drösemeier, Ehlers, Eickhoff, Evers, Feddeler, Feisken, Frederking, Frerking, Frömling, Gaers, Garberding, Gerberding, Gode, Görs, Graas, Grauers, Hachmeister, Hahne, Hahnen, Hanebuth, Hartjen, Hecht, Heidorn, Heims, Heine, Hemme, Heuer, Hochs, Höper, Höyer, Hoggrefen, Homann, Jürgens, Kehrbach, Klingemann, Knigge, Koch, Kohnen, Kuhls, Kreienberg, Krumwiede, Küker, Lammers, Langehenje, Langreder, Leiseberg, Leseberg, Lindhorst, Lindwedel, Linneweh,Lipitz, Ludowig, Lücke, Lürsen, Lüsenhop, Meier, Meimann, Meins, Mente, Menzer, Metterhausen, Meyer, Möller, Mohrhoff, Niemeier, Oelerking, Peters, Pfingsten, Plumhoff, Prüser, Rahlfs, Ralves, Reineke, Riechers, Rieckenberg, Ridder, Ringe, Rissen,Rodenbostel, Rose, Rothermund, Rust, Schardau, Scharnhorst, Schmuck, Schneehage, Schöneberg,Schrader, Schröder, Schünhoff, Schulte, Schulze, Sekelken,  Segelking, Sindorf, Sprengel, Steding, Stille,Stünkel, Stuke, Suren, Theilmann, Thielking, Thiesing, Thormann, Timme, Tolle, Ülschen, Vahrenkamp, Veesche, Vesche, Veske, Volbers, Volkmers, Weneken, Wiebe, Wöhler, Wolckenhauer 
> 
> ...
> 
> Ich hoffe auf eine gute Zusammenarbeit!
> 
> Viele Grüsse
> 
> Karen Kolp      

RE: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/19 11:29:38
From: loek nijholt <loeknijholt(a)loeknijholt.nl>

Hello,
I visited the page today. And on other days before

Go to: http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/
Then: "Hier klicken zum starten"
Then: "Archiv"
Then: "Archiv 1"
Then: "Namenverzeichnis"
Enjoy the information!
Greetings, Loek Nijholt, Odijk (NL)

(Also looking for a Wulf in Essen (Oldenburg)

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]Namens Lucy Eringaard
Verzonden: maandag 18 oktober 2004 10:13
Aan: Hannover-L
Onderwerp: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann


this url is not attainable. With greatings Lucy Eringaard.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann


> Hi Linda,
>
> Did you look at this site?
>
>
http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Seiten/Haseluenne/Registe
rNamen.html
>
> The names Wulf and Brinkmann appear.
>
> Seems I remember a lister looking for Feldhaus/Wulf/Grote whose family
ended
> up in Ohio. I think Haseluenne was the origin for her ancestors.
>
> I don't know if my Feldhaus line is linked with the Hasseluenne Feldhaus..
> My ancestor aswander says  born in Lahden. Holt Ksp. (I think)... I think
> same general locale. Anyhow many same surnames appear also in St. Louis,
Mo.
>
> I know there were Feldhaus in Kentucky also..been curious if
> connected...though pure speculation.
>
> Anyhow seems like many of the immigrants came to midwest thru New
> Orleans..so probobly up the Mississippi....
>
> Know any other family names from Hannover?  Or perhaps neighbors to your
> ancestor originating from Hannover might give clue?  I blather.
>
> Barbie
> St. Louis
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >Subject: Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann
> >Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:30:23 -0600
> >
> >Hi Linda
> >
> >     What religion were the Wulfs and Brinkmanns?  John Bernard is a very
> >common name in the Emsland area.  I find a Johann Bernard in 1794, but
> >these
> >are Catholic records and that date is too early.
> >
> >Barbara
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >on 10/17/04 11:32 AM, LWKoenig(a)aol.com at LWKoenig(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Barbie, Brigitte and Werner,
> > >
> > > Thank you all for your responses, I really appreciate them. My Koenig
> >(I've
> > > seen Hoenig here and there, but am under the impression that it really
> >was a
> > > seperate and distinct name) research is apart from my Wulf research,
> >only
> > > because my husband's Koenigs (actually Konig) came from Hessen.
> > >
> > > As far as I know, my branch of Wulf wasn't in St. Louis - but I may be
> >wrong.
> > > There's reason to believe they may have been in Cincinnati, Ohio for a
> >while.
> > > Unfortunately it was probably between census years.
> > >
> > > Brigitte, thank you for reminding me that I gave no details regarding
> >John
> > > and Catherine. John Bernard Wulf was born in Hannover 1820 to 1825.
> > > (Mary?)Catherine Brinkmann was born in Hannover 1833 to 1836.  They
may
> >have
> > > come from
> > > large families, as they went on to have ten children, all born in
> >Kentucky
> > > according to census information. I have reason to believe that
Johann's
> >father
> > > in
> > > Hannover was also named Johann - and that he also came to the U.S. -
> >either
> > > with
> > > his son or perhaps later. I've found many, many immigration (and
> >emigration)
> > > records on Johann Wulf, but it's a prolific name, and in every record
I
> > > actually view on Ancestry.com, Johann always has a different wife and
> > > children, or
> > > he is by himself - which makes it impossible to verify his identity.
> > >
> > > Thank you all,
> > > Linda
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Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel, Wedemark

Date: 2004/10/19 13:50:25
From: Carol Knigge <caknigge(a)yahoo.com>

Could someone out there translate the message from
Karen Kolp... I understood part of it, but I do not
good at translating and would like to know just what
was written.

Thank you,
Carol Knigge
>From the state of Illinois in USA

--- Karen Kolp <K.Kolp(a)t-online.de> wrote:

> Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,
> 
> seit einiger Zeit lese ich schon in der Liste mit
> und jetzt möchte ich mich
> vorstellen.
> 
> Mein Name ist Karen Kolp und ich befasse mich seit
> knapp 3 Jahren mit der
> Erforschung der Vorfahren meiner Familie (Neumark
> und Schlesien) und bin
> jetzt
> bei der Linie meines Mannes(Brandenburg und
> Hannover) angelangt.
> 
> Glücklicher Weise hatte ich für den von mir
> hauptsächlich gesuchten Namen
> Meyer
> aus Dudenbostel, Wedemark einen Stammbaum als
> Anhaltspunkt vorliegen.
> Da aber die Daten z.T. fehlerhaft bzw. unvollständig
> waren, habe ich mich
> entschlossen, die Daten noch einmal genau zu
> überprüfen und zu
> vervollständigen.
> Dadurch kam eine Menge Datenmaterial zusammen, dass
> ich natürlich auch gerne
> weitergebe.
> 
> Da es sich hier um mehr als 1.500 Personennamen
> handelt, habe ich die Daten
> etwas knapper zusammengefasst.
> 
> 
> *Gemeinde Wedemark:*
> Abbensen,Bennemühlen,Bissendorf, Dudenbostel, Elze,
> Fuhrberg, Hellendorf,
> Ibsingen, Meitze, Negenborn, Oegenbostel, Plumhoff,
> Resse, Rodenbostel,
> Scherenbostel, Wennebostel, Wiechendorf
> 
> Beckmann, Beermannm, Behren, Biermann, Bihrmann,
> Blume, Bothmer, Brockmann,
> Busse, Brauckmann, Bruns, Busse,Dangers, Dedeke,
> Degender, Döpke, Eilers,
> Eickhoff, Engelke, Feddeler, Fortmöller, Frömling,
> Frederking, Frerking,
> Giesemann, Gleue, Gödecke, Görjes, Görjetz,Graes, 
> Gragers, Grauers, 
> Hachmeister, Hanebuth, Hapke, Hase, Haselmann,
> Hasen, Hasselbrink, Hecht,
> Heidorn, Hemme, Hoggrefen, Hogrefen, Holsten,
> Kasten, Kaufmann, Kaunen,
> Kehrbach, Kohnen, Küker, Lammers, Landers,
> Langehenje, Linneweh, Ludowig,
> Lumann, Martens, Meine, Meier, Mesenbrink, Meyer,
> Möhlen, Möller,
> Mußmann, Niemeyer, Ohlhorst, Paulmann, Plincken,
> Plinke, Plumhoff,
> Pralle, Rahlfs, Ralves, Rieckenberg, Riechers,
> Ridder, Rissen, Robberts,
> Rodenbostel, Rothermund, Rose, Schneehage, Schröder,
> Segelken,
> Segelkin, Segelking, Sindorf, Stille, Strasmann,
> Stünckel, Stuke,
> Theilmann, Thiele, Thielking, Thies, Thiesse, Timpe,
> Ülschen, Ulschen,
> Volbers, Volkmers, Volmers, Voltmers, Vortmüller,
> Wiedenhöfer, Wienhöfer,
> Wiesen, Willers, Wischmann,Wöhler, Zietz
> 
> 
> *Kreis Neustadt a. Rübenberge:*
> Amedorf, Basse, Bordenau, Brase, Esperke, Evensen,
> Helstorf, Ladeholz,
> Luttmersen, Mandelsloh, Mariensee, Metel,
> Niedernstöcken, Rodewald, 
> Scharrel, Suttorf, Vesbeck, Warmeloh            
>                          
> Backhaus, Bauermeister, Bartels, Bartling,
> Baumgarte, Bock, Bohm,
> Bostel, Bothmer, Brabant, Brauckmann,Bruns,
> Bütehorn, Burmester,
> Buschmann, Clausing, Constabel, Constabels,
> Dannenberg, Dedeke,
> Degener, Degenhard, Diekmann, Dierking, Dettmer,
> Dettmering,
> Drösemeier, Ehlers, Eickhoff, Evers, Feddeler,
> Feisken, Frederking,
> Frerking, Frömling, Gaers, Garberding, Gerberding,
> Gode,
> Görs, Graas, Grauers, Hachmeister, Hahne, Hahnen,
> Hanebuth,
> Hartjen, Hecht, Heidorn, Heims, Heine, Hemme, Heuer,
> Hochs, Höper,
> Höyer, Hoggrefen, Homann, Jürgens, Kehrbach,
> Klingemann, Knigge,
> Koch, Kohnen, Kuhls, Kreienberg, Krumwiede, Küker,
> Lammers,
> Langehenje, Langreder, Leiseberg, Leseberg,
> Lindhorst, Lindwedel,
> Linneweh,Lipitz, Ludowig, Lücke, Lürsen, Lüsenhop,
> Meier,
> Meimann, Meins, Mente, Menzer, Metterhausen, Meyer,
> Möller,
> Mohrhoff, Niemeier, Oelerking, Peters, Pfingsten,
> Plumhoff,
> Prüser, Rahlfs, Ralves, Reineke, Riechers,
> Rieckenberg, Ridder,
> Ringe, Rissen,Rodenbostel, Rose, Rothermund, Rust,
> Schardau,
> Scharnhorst, Schmuck, Schneehage,
> Schöneberg,Schrader, Schröder,
> Schünhoff, Schulte, Schulze, Sekelken,  Segelking,
> Sindorf,
> Sprengel, Steding, Stille,Stünkel, Stuke, Suren,
> Theilmann,
> Thielking, Thiesing, Thormann, Timme, Tolle,
> Ülschen, Vahrenkamp,
> Veesche, Vesche, Veske, Volbers, Volkmers, Weneken,
> Wiebe, Wöhler,
> Wolckenhauer 
> 
> 
> *Krs. Soltau-Fallingbostel:* 
>
Buchholz, Eickeloh, Eilvese, Essel, Gilten, Hope, Lindwedel,
> Norddrebber,
> Schwarmstedt  
>                          
> Bauermeister, Beuermeister, Bütehorn, Burmester,
> Brauckmann,
> Brockmann, Degener, Feddeler,
> Feine, Frederking,Frine,  Engehausen,
> Karstens, Koltsse, Lahens, Lindwedel, Lohens,
> Mesenbrink, Meyer,
> Narjes, Resman, Schneehage
> 
> Ich hoffe auf eine gute Zusammenarbeit!
> 
> Viele Grüsse
> 
> Karen Kolp      
> 
> 
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[HN] Re: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 11, Eint rag 25

Date: 2004/10/19 15:05:34
From: LWKoenig <LWKoenig(a)aol.com>

Barbara, thanks!

Linda

>  I am sorry, but I think the address I sent for the Haselünne census
> doesn't .  It should be:
> http://www.studiengesellschaft-emsland-bentheim.de/Frames/frame2.html
> 
>   Go to Archive 1 and then go to Namenverzeichnis
> Barbara


Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel, Wedemark

Date: 2004/10/19 15:47:10
From: Cindy Ball <jordon85(a)earthlink.net>

Carole,
This is what i use to translate It's not perfect but you get the meaning of
what they are saying. It works for all different languages.
Cindy
Indiana

                      http://babelfish.altavista.com. 

> [Original Message]
> From: Carol Knigge <caknigge(a)yahoo.com>
> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: 10/19/2004 11:50:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel, 
Wedemark
>
> Could someone out there translate the message from
> Karen Kolp... I understood part of it, but I do not
> good at translating and would like to know just what
> was written.
>
> Thank you,
> Carol Knigge
> >From the state of Illinois in USA
>
> --- Karen Kolp <K.Kolp(a)t-online.de> wrote:
>
> > Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,
> > 
> > seit einiger Zeit lese ich schon in der Liste mit
> > und jetzt möchte ich mich
> > vorstellen.
> > 
> > Mein Name ist Karen Kolp und ich befasse mich seit
> > knapp 3 Jahren mit der
> > Erforschung der Vorfahren meiner Familie (Neumark
> > und Schlesien) und bin
> > jetzt
> > bei der Linie meines Mannes(Brandenburg und
> > Hannover) angelangt.
> > 
> > Glücklicher Weise hatte ich für den von mir
> > hauptsächlich gesuchten Namen
> > Meyer
> > aus Dudenbostel, Wedemark einen Stammbaum als
> > Anhaltspunkt vorliegen.
> > Da aber die Daten z.T. fehlerhaft bzw. unvollständig
> > waren, habe ich mich
> > entschlossen, die Daten noch einmal genau zu
> > überprüfen und zu
> > vervollständigen.
> > Dadurch kam eine Menge Datenmaterial zusammen, dass
> > ich natürlich auch gerne
> > weitergebe.
> > 
> > Da es sich hier um mehr als 1.500 Personennamen
> > handelt, habe ich die Daten
> > etwas knapper zusammengefasst.
> > 
> > 
> > *Gemeinde Wedemark:*
> > Abbensen,Bennemühlen,Bissendorf, Dudenbostel, Elze,
> > Fuhrberg, Hellendorf,
> > Ibsingen, Meitze, Negenborn, Oegenbostel, Plumhoff,
> > Resse, Rodenbostel,
> > Scherenbostel, Wennebostel, Wiechendorf
> > 
> > Beckmann, Beermannm, Behren, Biermann, Bihrmann,
> > Blume, Bothmer, Brockmann,
> > Busse, Brauckmann, Bruns, Busse,Dangers, Dedeke,
> > Degender, Döpke, Eilers,
> > Eickhoff, Engelke, Feddeler, Fortmöller, Frömling,
> > Frederking, Frerking,
> > Giesemann, Gleue, Gödecke, Görjes, Görjetz,Graes, 
> > Gragers, Grauers, 
> > Hachmeister, Hanebuth, Hapke, Hase, Haselmann,
> > Hasen, Hasselbrink, Hecht,
> > Heidorn, Hemme, Hoggrefen, Hogrefen, Holsten,
> > Kasten, Kaufmann, Kaunen,
> > Kehrbach, Kohnen, Küker, Lammers, Landers,
> > Langehenje, Linneweh, Ludowig,
> > Lumann, Martens, Meine, Meier, Mesenbrink, Meyer,
> > Möhlen, Möller,
> > Mußmann, Niemeyer, Ohlhorst, Paulmann, Plincken,
> > Plinke, Plumhoff,
> > Pralle, Rahlfs, Ralves, Rieckenberg, Riechers,
> > Ridder, Rissen, Robberts,
> > Rodenbostel, Rothermund, Rose, Schneehage, Schröder,
> > Segelken,
> > Segelkin, Segelking, Sindorf, Stille, Strasmann,
> > Stünckel, Stuke,
> > Theilmann, Thiele, Thielking, Thies, Thiesse, Timpe,
> > Ülschen, Ulschen,
> > Volbers, Volkmers, Volmers, Voltmers, Vortmüller,
> > Wiedenhöfer, Wienhöfer,
> > Wiesen, Willers, Wischmann,Wöhler, Zietz
> > 
> > 
> > *Kreis Neustadt a. Rübenberge:*
> > Amedorf, Basse, Bordenau, Brase, Esperke, Evensen,
> > Helstorf, Ladeholz,
> > Luttmersen, Mandelsloh, Mariensee, Metel,
> > Niedernstöcken, Rodewald, 
> > Scharrel, Suttorf, Vesbeck, Warmeloh            
> >                          
> > Backhaus, Bauermeister, Bartels, Bartling,
> > Baumgarte, Bock, Bohm,
> > Bostel, Bothmer, Brabant, Brauckmann,Bruns,
> > Bütehorn, Burmester,
> > Buschmann, Clausing, Constabel, Constabels,
> > Dannenberg, Dedeke,
> > Degener, Degenhard, Diekmann, Dierking, Dettmer,
> > Dettmering,
> > Drösemeier, Ehlers, Eickhoff, Evers, Feddeler,
> > Feisken, Frederking,
> > Frerking, Frömling, Gaers, Garberding, Gerberding,
> > Gode,
> > Görs, Graas, Grauers, Hachmeister, Hahne, Hahnen,
> > Hanebuth,
> > Hartjen, Hecht, Heidorn, Heims, Heine, Hemme, Heuer,
> > Hochs, Höper,
> > Höyer, Hoggrefen, Homann, Jürgens, Kehrbach,
> > Klingemann, Knigge,
> > Koch, Kohnen, Kuhls, Kreienberg, Krumwiede, Küker,
> > Lammers,
> > Langehenje, Langreder, Leiseberg, Leseberg,
> > Lindhorst, Lindwedel,
> > Linneweh,Lipitz, Ludowig, Lücke, Lürsen, Lüsenhop,
> > Meier,
> > Meimann, Meins, Mente, Menzer, Metterhausen, Meyer,
> > Möller,
> > Mohrhoff, Niemeier, Oelerking, Peters, Pfingsten,
> > Plumhoff,
> > Prüser, Rahlfs, Ralves, Reineke, Riechers,
> > Rieckenberg, Ridder,
> > Ringe, Rissen,Rodenbostel, Rose, Rothermund, Rust,
> > Schardau,
> > Scharnhorst, Schmuck, Schneehage,
> > Schöneberg,Schrader, Schröder,
> > Schünhoff, Schulte, Schulze, Sekelken,  Segelking,
> > Sindorf,
> > Sprengel, Steding, Stille,Stünkel, Stuke, Suren,
> > Theilmann,
> > Thielking, Thiesing, Thormann, Timme, Tolle,
> > Ülschen, Vahrenkamp,
> > Veesche, Vesche, Veske, Volbers, Volkmers, Weneken,
> > Wiebe, Wöhler,
> > Wolckenhauer 
> > 
> > 
> > *Krs. Soltau-Fallingbostel:* 
> >
> Buchholz, Eickeloh, Eilvese, Essel, Gilten, Hope, Lindwedel,
> > Norddrebber,
> > Schwarmstedt  
> >                          
> > Bauermeister, Beuermeister, Bütehorn, Burmester,
> > Brauckmann,
> > Brockmann, Degener, Feddeler,
> > Feine, Frederking,Frine,  Engehausen,
> > Karstens, Koltsse, Lahens, Lindwedel, Lohens,
> > Mesenbrink, Meyer,
> > Narjes, Resman, Schneehage
> > 
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> > 
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[HN] Re: Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel, Wedemark (Karen Kolp)

Date: 2004/10/19 18:03:16
From: Christina und Horst Rauschenberg <ChrAnHo(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrte Frau Kolp,
bei der Durchsicht der von Ihnen angegebenen Namen fiel mir auf, daß mehrmals der Name Hogrefe erwähnt wird. Ich suche seit Jahren nach der Herkunft eines Reiters Johann Dietrich Hogrefe, gestorben vor 1763, verheiratet mit einer um 1717 geborenen Frau mit den Vornamen Anna Lucia. Sollte sich Johann Dietrich Hogrefe in Ihrem Datenbestand feststellen lassen, wäre ich Ihnen für eine Mitteilung sehr dankbar.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Horst Rauschenberg

Message: 7
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:30:58 +0200
From: K.Kolp(a)t-online.de (Karen Kolp)
Subject: [HN] Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel,
Wedemark
To: "Mailingliste Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Message-ID: <NHBBINMJMNAJHONBFAILCEKNCFAA.K.Kolp(a)t-online.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,

seit einiger Zeit lese ich schon in der Liste mit und jetzt möchte ich mich
vorstellen.

Mein Name ist Karen Kolp und ich befasse mich seit knapp 3 Jahren mit der
Erforschung der Vorfahren meiner Familie (Neumark und Schlesien) und bin
jetzt
bei der Linie meines Mannes(Brandenburg und Hannover) angelangt.

Glücklicher Weise hatte ich für den von mir hauptsächlich gesuchten Namen
Meyer
aus Dudenbostel, Wedemark einen Stammbaum als Anhaltspunkt vorliegen.
Da aber die Daten z.T. fehlerhaft bzw. unvollständig waren, habe ich mich
entschlossen, die Daten noch einmal genau zu überprüfen und zu
vervollständigen.
Dadurch kam eine Menge Datenmaterial zusammen, dass ich natürlich auch gerne
weitergebe.

Da es sich hier um mehr als 1.500 Personennamen handelt, habe ich die Daten
etwas knapper zusammengefasst.


*Gemeinde Wedemark:*
Abbensen,Bennemühlen,Bissendorf, Dudenbostel, Elze, Fuhrberg, Hellendorf,
Ibsingen, Meitze, Negenborn, Oegenbostel, Plumhoff, Resse, Rodenbostel,
Scherenbostel, Wennebostel, Wiechendorf

Beckmann, Beermannm, Behren, Biermann, Bihrmann, Blume, Bothmer, Brockmann,
Busse, Brauckmann, Bruns, Busse,Dangers, Dedeke, Degender, Döpke, Eilers,
Eickhoff, Engelke, Feddeler, Fortmöller, Frömling, Frederking, Frerking,
Giesemann, Gleue, Gödecke, Görjes, Görjetz,Graes,  Gragers, Grauers,
Hachmeister, Hanebuth, Hapke, Hase, Haselmann, Hasen, Hasselbrink, Hecht,
Heidorn, Hemme, Hoggrefen, Hogrefen, Holsten, Kasten, Kaufmann, Kaunen,
Kehrbach, Kohnen, Küker, Lammers, Landers, Langehenje, Linneweh, Ludowig,
Lumann, Martens, Meine, Meier, Mesenbrink, Meyer, Möhlen, Möller,
Mußmann, Niemeyer, Ohlhorst, Paulmann, Plincken, Plinke, Plumhoff,
Pralle, Rahlfs, Ralves, Rieckenberg, Riechers, Ridder, Rissen, Robberts,
Rodenbostel, Rothermund, Rose, Schneehage, Schröder, Segelken,
Segelkin, Segelking, Sindorf, Stille, Strasmann, Stünckel, Stuke,
Theilmann, Thiele, Thielking, Thies, Thiesse, Timpe, Ülschen, Ulschen,
Volbers, Volkmers, Volmers, Voltmers, Vortmüller, Wiedenhöfer, Wienhöfer,
Wiesen, Willers, Wischmann,Wöhler, Zietz


*Kreis Neustadt a. Rübenberge:*
Amedorf, Basse, Bordenau, Brase, Esperke, Evensen, Helstorf, Ladeholz,
Luttmersen, Mandelsloh, Mariensee, Metel, Niedernstöcken, Rodewald,
Scharrel, Suttorf, Vesbeck, Warmeloh

Backhaus, Bauermeister, Bartels, Bartling, Baumgarte, Bock, Bohm,
Bostel, Bothmer, Brabant, Brauckmann,Bruns, Bütehorn, Burmester,
Buschmann, Clausing, Constabel, Constabels, Dannenberg, Dedeke,
Degener, Degenhard, Diekmann, Dierking, Dettmer, Dettmering,
Drösemeier, Ehlers, Eickhoff, Evers, Feddeler, Feisken, Frederking,
Frerking, Frömling, Gaers, Garberding, Gerberding, Gode,
Görs, Graas, Grauers, Hachmeister, Hahne, Hahnen, Hanebuth,
Hartjen, Hecht, Heidorn, Heims, Heine, Hemme, Heuer, Hochs, Höper,
Höyer, Hoggrefen, Homann, Jürgens, Kehrbach, Klingemann, Knigge,
Koch, Kohnen, Kuhls, Kreienberg, Krumwiede, Küker, Lammers,
Langehenje, Langreder, Leiseberg, Leseberg, Lindhorst, Lindwedel,
Linneweh,Lipitz, Ludowig, Lücke, Lürsen, Lüsenhop, Meier,
Meimann, Meins, Mente, Menzer, Metterhausen, Meyer, Möller,
Mohrhoff, Niemeier, Oelerking, Peters, Pfingsten, Plumhoff,
Prüser, Rahlfs, Ralves, Reineke, Riechers, Rieckenberg, Ridder,
Ringe, Rissen,Rodenbostel, Rose, Rothermund, Rust, Schardau,
Scharnhorst, Schmuck, Schneehage, Schöneberg,Schrader, Schröder,
Schünhoff, Schulte, Schulze, Sekelken,  Segelking, Sindorf,
Sprengel, Steding, Stille,Stünkel, Stuke, Suren, Theilmann,
Thielking, Thiesing, Thormann, Timme, Tolle, Ülschen, Vahrenkamp,
Veesche, Vesche, Veske, Volbers, Volkmers, Weneken, Wiebe, Wöhler,
Wolckenhauer


*Krs. Soltau-Fallingbostel:*
Buchholz, Eickeloh, Eilvese, Essel, Gilten, Hope, Lindwedel, Norddrebber,
Schwarmstedt

Bauermeister, Beuermeister, Bütehorn, Burmester, Brauckmann,
Brockmann, Degener, Feddeler, Feine, Frederking,Frine,  Engehausen,
Karstens, Koltsse, Lahens, Lindwedel, Lohens, Mesenbrink, Meyer,
Narjes, Resman, Schneehage

Ich hoffe auf eine gute Zusammenarbeit!

Viele Grüsse

Karen Kolp




[HN] NAVAL RECRUITS circa 1860-1866

Date: 2004/10/19 18:05:32
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hallo Listers,
I am still looking for town(s) of origin of Herman b circa 1855, Wilhelmina b1857 and Franz Henning Jacob FLEMME and their relative Conrad EHLERS and his musician father-in-law Amadeus BIELSTEIN.

Does anyone know what differentiated a young man being chosen for service either in the army or the navy. Would it be based on the area they lived in?

Here is a snippet of a letter I have just found in a newspaper, obviously written by one of my relatives also. It not only shows the amount of feeling about immigrants in those days, but also by the term "ran away (from home)" it shows how youngsters were 'kept in their place'!

"Herman Flemme was only 7 when his uncle, who was about 18 or 20, brought him to England as he didn't want to join the German navy. His uncle was called Conrad Ehlers. "When they first came to England they went to London. They played the violin and earned a living busking on the streets. At some point they made their way to Grimsby, because Uncle Conrad married and lived there. My Grandfather lived at Grimsby for a while, bur ran away to Hull and met a girl from Sheffield. They married at Drypool church. "There was a lot of bad feeling during WW1 and I know grandad had to report in at a police station every day. "He had 4 sons fighting in the war for this country. In fact, his eldest son was killed just before the armistice was signed. " My father changed his name to Flemming and were brought up not to tell anyone we were of German descent."

Hermann Flemme and Conrad Ehlers always wrote Hannover on the census and the Ehlers brides GRIN & GUNTHER were from Salzgitter & also Darmstadt area, but in later years Hermann said he was an Austrian - it's all most confusing - helllppp :-)

Rena - England.

[HN] gesucht wird Jobst Heinrich Schmidt aus Hoya

Date: 2004/10/19 19:29:24
From: Michael <Michael(a)heidkrug24.de>

Hallo Liste

hat evtl. jemand die Eltern von

Jobst Heinrich Schmidt

aus der Grafschaft Hoya
ca. 1784 gebohren.

oder anders gefragt

wo muß ich suchen wenn ich in der Grafschaft
Hoya etwas finden möchte.


Gruß
Michael Stubbemann

[HN] Re: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 11, Eintrag 23

Date: 2004/10/19 20:21:52
From: Ginger Posthumus <postente(a)brinet.com>

Hi CHerie and Gordon,
Hope all is continuing to be fine in AZ.
Just got this blurb from our EFMLS Editor and thought you might be
interested.

Hi everyone,

I've just learned that Jay Lininger passed away yesterday.  Evidently
Paula found him slumped over his desk.  I'll let you know if I learn
more - funeral etc.
What a loss for us all.

Carolyn



[HN] Re: Suche nach STUNKEL / STÜNKEL, Neus tadt a.Rbg.

Date: 2004/10/19 22:56:56
From: Karen Kolp <K.Kolp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Herr Friedrichs,

es tut mir leid, dass ich nicht die gesuchte Person in meiner Liste habe,
ich habe aber trotzdem alle Stünkels zusammengestellt. Vielleicht ist der
eine oder andere Anhaltspunkt dabei.


Viele Grüße

Karen Kolp

--------
Christoph Heinrich Stünkel
*1704~†03-04-1743

Ehepartner
	Ilsa Maria Hartjen
	*04-1708~†27-01-1749
Söhne
	Johann Jürgen Stünkel
	*04-1732~†31-07-1803
Töchter
	Anna Maria Stünkel
	*25-08-1736
	Anna Margaretha Stünkel
	*1740~
Lebenslauf
*	um 1704
oo	um 1730	mit Ilsa Maria Hartjen in Helstorf
+	03-04-1743	in Vesbeck an der Schwindsucht
---------
Anna Catharina Stünkel
*05-12-1761

Eltern
	Johann Jürgen Stünkel
	*04-1732~†31-07-1803
	Catharina Margareta Langehenje
	*06-1735~†28-01-1810
Ehepartner
	Johann Cord Plumhoff
	*1757~
Lebenslauf
*	05-12-1761	in Vesbeck
oo	01-03-1783	Johann Cord Plumhoff
---------
Anna Margaretha Stünkel
*1740~

Eltern
	Christoph Heinrich Stünkel
	*1704~†03-04-1743
Ehepartner
	Johann Friedrich Stünkel
	*1734~
Töchter
	Anna Margarethe Stünkel
	*15-07-1765 †25-11-1847
Lebenslauf
*	um 1740	in Vesbeck
oo	20-07-1764	Johann Friedrich Stünkel
---------
Anna Margarethe Stünkel

Ehepartner
	Johann Heinrich  Bartling
Lebenslauf
oo	um 1800	Johann Heinrich Bartling
lebte	1831		in Brase
-------
Anna Margarethe Stünkel
*15-07-1765 †25-11-1847

Eltern
	Johann Friedrich Stünkel
	*1734~
	Anna Margaretha Stünkel
	*1740~
Ehepartner
	Johann David Oelerking
	*27-06-1755 †05-10-1820
Lebenslauf
*	15-07-1765	in Helstorf
oo	24-11-1786	mit Johann David Oelerking
+	25-11-1847	in Helstorf
--------
Anna Maria Stünkel
*25-08-1736

Eltern
	Christoph Heinrich Stünkel
	*1704~†03-04-1743
	Ilsa Maria Hartjen
	*04-1708~†27-01-1749
Lebenslauf
*	25-08-1736	in Helstorf
-------
Dietrich Heinrich Konrad Stünkel
*1700~

Ehepartner
	Maria Dorothea Mahler
Söhne
	Heinrich Stünkel
	*1735~†1879~
Töchter
	Dorothee Wilhelmine Stünkel
	*13-07-1848 †23-12-1924
Lebenslauf
*	um 1700
oo	um 1845	Maria Dorothea Mahler
Arbeit 1845	in Abbensen, Müller auf der Ober-Mühle
--------
Dorothea Stünkel
*1805~
Ehepartner
	Johann Friedrich Heinrich Schünhof
	*15-12-1802 †02-11-1876
Lebenslauf
(oo)	mit Johann Friedrich Heinrich Schünhof (nicht verheiratet,
	da Eheschließung von seinen Eltern verweigert wurde.
	Das Paar hatte 2 	gemeinsame 	Kinder)
*	um 1805	in Metel
---------
Dorothee Wilhelmine Stünkel
*13-07-1848 †23-12-1924

Eltern
	Dietrich Heinrich Konrad Stünkel
	*1700~
	Maria Dorothea Mahler
Ehepartner
	Ferdinand Heinrich Meyer aus Dudenbostel
	*02-08-1847 †24-07-1928
	Heinrich Wilhelm Meyer aus Dudenbostel
	*25-09-1835 †23-12-1884
Lebenslauf
*	13-07-1848	Geburt
	in Abbensen (Obermühle)
oo	20-08-1871 bis 23-12-1884	mit °Heinrich° Wilhelm Meyer in Helstorf
oo	23-09-1887				mit °Ferdinand° Heinrich Meyer in Helstorf
+	23-12-1924				in Dudenbostel
---------
Heinrich Stünkel
*1735~†1879~

Eltern
	Dietrich Heinrich Konrad Stünkel
	*1700~
Ehepartner
	Sofia Wilhelmine Möller
	*1736~
Lebenslauf
*	um 1735
Arb.	um 1870	Großköthner auf der Obermühle
oo	vor 1875	mit Sofia Wilhelmine Möller
+	vor 1879	in Abbensen
--------
Johann Christoph Stünkel
*1700~†1764~

Ehepartner
	Anna Margaretha Dierking
Söhne
	Johann Friedrich Stünkel
	*1734~
Lebenslauf
*	um 1700	in Helstorf
+	vor 1764	in Helstorf
---------
Johann Friedrich Stünkel
*1734~

Eltern
	Johann Christoph Stünkel
	*1700~†1764~
Ehepartner
	Anna Margaretha Stünkel
	*1740~
Töchter
	Anna Margarethe Stünkel
	*15-07-1765 †25-11-1847
Lebenslauf
*	um 1734	in Helstorf
oo	20-07-1764	Anna Margaretha Stünkel
----------
Johann Heinrich Stünkel
*06-04-1764 †30-10-1778

Eltern
	Johann Jürgen Stünkel
	*04-1732~†31-07-1803
	Catharina Margareta Langehenje
	*06-1735~†28-01-1810
Lebenslauf
*	06-04-1764	in Vesbeck
+	30-10-1778	in Vesbeck an Wassersucht
-----------
Johann Jürgen Stünkel
*04-1732~†31-07-1803

Eltern
	Christoph Heinrich Stünkel
	*1704~†03-04-1743
Ehepartner
	Catharina Margareta Langehenje
	*06-1735~†28-01-1810
Söhne
	Johann Heinrich Stünkel
	*06-04-1764 †30-10-1778
Töchter
	Anna Catharina Stünkel
	*05-12-1761
Lebenslauf
*	um 04-1732
oo	24-10-1760	Catharina Margareta Langehenje
+	31-07-1803	in Vesbeck
-----------
Marie Dorothee Stünkel
*1780~†1831~

Ehepartner
	Johann Heinrich Ludwig Evers
Lebenslauf
*	um 1780
oo	um 1800	Johann Heinrich Ludwig Evers in Helstorf
+	nach 1831	in Helstorf
--------
Wilhelm Friedrich Ludwig Stünkel
*02-11-1858 †05-02-1937

Ehepartner
	Louise Marie Bertha Thiesse
	*03-02-1865 †07-06-1940
Lebenslauf
*	02-11-1858	in Helstorf
oo	21-10-1885	Louise Marie Bertha Thiesse
+	05-02-1937	in Helstorf


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: klaus friedrichs [mailto:kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Oktober 2004 17:59
An: K.Kolp(a)t-online.de
Betreff: Suche nach STUNKEL / STÜNKEL, Neustadt a.Rbg.


Hallo Frau Kolp,

vielen Dank für Ihr großzügiges Angebot und die veröffentlichte Liste der
Orte und Namen.

Seit vielen Jahren komme ich nicht weiter mit der Familie STUNKEL / STÜNKEL
in Suttorf, Ksp. Basse.
Die älteste Eintragung datiert von 1783, wo ein Hans Henrich STUNKEL /
STÜNKEL in Blumenthal (Bremen) heiratet. Er wird angegeben als Tagelöhner
aus Suttorf, Ksp. Basse, Sohn weil. Johann Henrich STUNKEL, Köthner
daselbst. Geboren ca. 1749, rückgerechnet von seinem Todesalter....


[HN] Re: Neuvorstellung - Neustadt...

Date: 2004/10/19 22:56:58
From: Karen Kolp <K.Kolp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Christoph Haupt,

ich habe Dir die mir vorliegenden Daten zusammengefasst. Vielleicht findest
Du das passende. Leider hattest Du nicht geschrieben, nach wem Du genau
suchst. Mariensee und Mariensee-Kloster habe ich nur Degenhard und Meyer.

Viele Grüße

Karen


-------
Anna Elisabeth Dannenberg
*1714~

Ehepartner
	Johann Jürgen Oelerking aus Warmeloh
	*1710~
Söhne
	Johann Dietrich Oelerking
	*03-11-1742
Lebenslauf
*	um 1714	in Wenden als Tochter von "Johann Philipp Dannenberg, Hauswirt in
Wenden!
oo	11-1739	mit Johann Jürgen Oelerking in Helstorf
--------
Hans Hinrich Rust

Lebenslauf
lebte	1755	in Helstorf (Mühle), war Pate von Johann David Oelerking aus
Helstorf
---------
Heinrich Rust

Lebenslauf
lebte	1766	in Helstorf, war Pate von Johann Jürgen Ludwig Oelerking in
Helstorf
--------
Ilsa Marie Rust
*1734~

Ehepartner
	Johann Heinrich Evers aus Vesbeck
	*1730~
Lebenslauf
*	um 1734	in Niedernstöcken
oo	um 1757	mit Johann Heinrich Evers
lebte	1761		in Vesbeck
------------
Johann David Rust
*1740~

Ehepartner
	Dorothea Elisabeth Oelerking aus Helstorf
	*1744~
Lebenslauf
*	um 1740	in Helstorf
oo	24-11-1768	Dorothea Elisabeth Oelerking
---------
Catharina Marie Küker
*1738~

Ehepartner
	Christoph Meine (wahrsch. aus Abbensen)
	*14-04-1724~†28-10-1781
Lebenslauf
*	um 1738
oo	um 1763	Christoph Meine
-------
Johann Heinrich Küker

Lebenslauf
lebte	1767	in Abbensen,
	1767	war Pate von Johann Heinrich Mußmann aus Abbensen
	1795	war Pate von Johann Heinrich Meyer aus Abbensen
--------
Johann Jürgen Küker
†1838~

Ehepartner
	Marie Sophie Dorothe Wehnerding
	*1787~
Töchter
	Marie Dorothe Sophie Küker
	*07-06-1814 †06-03-1883
Lebenslauf
+	vor 1838	in Mandelsloh
-------
Marie Dorothe Sophie Küker
*07-06-1814 †06-03-1883

Ehepartner
	Johann Jürgen Ludwig Meyer aus Abbensen
	*10-09-1813 †27-02-1873
Lebenslauf
*	07-06-1814	in Mandelsloh
oo	22-07-1838	Johann Jürgen Ludwig Meyer in Helstorf
+	06-03-1883	in Abbensen


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: CHaupt [mailto:chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Oktober 2004 06:45
An: Hannover-L; K.Kolp(a)t-online.de
Betreff: Re: Neuvorstellung - Neustadt...


Hallo Karen,

ich habe einige DANNENBERG in Pattensen und Hüpede, sowie RUST in Altenhagen
und Stadt Hannover.
Ein Freund interessiert sich für RUST in Helstorf und KÜKER in Mariensee.


   Christoph Haupt


[HN] Re: Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel, Wedemark - Hogrefe

Date: 2004/10/20 00:13:33
From: Karen Kolp <K.Kolp(a)t-online.de>

> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:02:08 +0200
> From: ChrAnHo(a)t-online.de (Christina und Horst Rauschenberg)


> ..mehrmals der Name Hogrefe erwähnt wird. Ich suche seit Jahren nach der
> Herkunft eines Reiters Johann Dietrich Hogrefe, gestorben vor 1763,
> verheiratet mit einer um 1717 geborenen Frau mit den Vornamen Anna Lucia.


Hallo Herr Rauschenberg,

leider habe ich den Namen Johann Dietrich Hogrefe nicht in meiner Liste.

Viele Grüsse

Karen Kolp




Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/20 02:40:27
From: MyGenWeb <MyGenWeb(a)aol.com>

Hello.
I am unsure of your location for your "qu" name.  My  location is Neinburg an 
der Weser, and the church is St. Martins.
 
As stated before, the Iowa 1925 census had my gr gr grandfather Henry  
Schriever name his parents, who were Christian Schriever and Carolina Quaider.  
Again, I am certain of the Schriever spelling, but uncertain of the  Quaider 
spelling.  It really could be a number of "Qu" spellings, and I  have been unable 
to verify it through church records.
 
Thanks again.
Rachel Fafinski

Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/20 05:19:24
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hey Jerry, 

      I just came across the name of Quern and the phonebook shows a person
by that name in Bad Pyrmont which is not far from Kemnade. Look on
mapquest.com if you don't have a detailed map.  You could try to contact
him. 

Barbara Stewart







on 10/11/04 5:42 PM, jerry mercier at starfire1955(a)icehouse.net wrote:

> Halo!,
> This is a real shot in the dark for me, but I stumbled onto your website by
> surfing the Internet.  Really hoping someone may help me.
> My great-grandmother was from Wisconsin - U.S., and prior to that was from
> Kemnade, Holzminden, Braunschweig.  Her married name was Dorothea Maas, but
> her maiden name was Quaer, Queren, or Querer.  She was born 5 January, 1821.
> Sorry, but it is very difficult to read her exact name.
> Would anyone know of a name in the Kemnade, Holzminden area like Quaer, Queren
> or Querer?
> Danke!
> Jerry
> 
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Re: [HN] gesucht wird Jobst Heinrich Schmidt aus Hoya

Date: 2004/10/20 09:48:01
From: Grant Hendrik Tonne <g-h.t(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Michael,
ich kenne mich zwar in Hoya nicht so gut aus, kann aber folgende Kontaktadressen übermitteln: Zum einen sitzt Bianca Meier im Rathaus der Grafschaft Hoya, dort im Standesamt (b.meier(a)hoya-weser.de / Durchwahl: 04251/815-35) Zum anderen die Adresse der Ev.-luth. Kichengemeinde Hoya, Von-Staffhorst-Straße 7, 27318 Hoya/Weser,Tel. 04251/2263.
Dort kann man dir sicherlich weiterhelfen.
Mit freundlichem Gruß

Grant Hendrik Tonne

 Grant Hendrik Tonne
 Schmiedestr.9
 31633 Leese
 05761/907883 oder 0171/2053043
 Fax: 05761/907884
 ghtonne(a)web.de
 www.ghtonne.de
 ICQ: 318 285 370
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" <Michael(a)heidkrug24.de>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:31 PM
Subject: [HN] gesucht wird Jobst Heinrich Schmidt aus Hoya


Hallo Liste

hat evtl. jemand die Eltern von

Jobst Heinrich Schmidt

aus der Grafschaft Hoya
ca. 1784 gebohren.

oder anders gefragt

wo muß ich suchen wenn ich in der Grafschaft
Hoya etwas finden möchte.


Gruß
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[HN] Neu in der Liste - SCHMIDT aus Hamburg u. SCHRADER aus Gifhorn

Date: 2004/10/20 10:53:43
From: Klaus Schmidt <SchmidtKl(a)gmx.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

mein Name ist  Klaus Schmidt aus D-Berlin, ich bin im Kreis Gifhorn
(Triangel, Neudorf-Platendorf) groß geworden.
Seid einiger Zeit versuche ich mich in der Ahnenforschung, habe auch schon
das eine und das andere zusammen getragen. Nun bin ich aber an so einige
totpunkte gestoßen, und hoffe das ihr mir weiter helfen könnt. Selbst
verständlich stelle ich bei bedarf auch meine vorhandenen Daten
zurverfügung.
Mein spitzenahn Väterlicher seits:

SCHMIDT Jürgen Frierich * 17 9 1862 Religion: evangelisch - lutherisch
Vater von:
SCHMIDT Adolf Heinrich Albert
* 19 2 1888 in Altona - Hamburg
+ 30 11 1944

Der Spitzenahn Mütterlicher seits:

SCHRADER Johann Heinrich Friedrich
* 24.1.1800 Gifhorn/KFSM Hannover
~ 2.2.1800
Vater:
DROST,unb.
* unb.
+ unb.
Mutter:
BORCHERS, Sophie
* unb.
+ unb.



Freue mich auf gute zusammenarbeit.
Mit freundlichen  Grüssen

Klaus Schmidt

Z 10 Schmidt

B200 1806 1849 Bock\/Neudorf

B355 1815 1815 Bodmann\Bernshausen/Bernshausen

F652 1816 1816 Frauenstein\/

J520 1814 1873 Jung\Seulingen / Duderstadt/Platendorf

K626 1865 1865 Kröger\Wandsbeck - Hamburg/Wandsbeck - Hamburg

S520 1824 1824 Schenk\Fallersleben/Fallersleben

S530 1862 1925 Schmidt\/Soltau

S636 1809 1896 Schrader\/Neudorf - Platendorf

W412 1826 1826 Wulfes\Neudorf/Neudorf

W416 1819 1849 Wolpers\Neudorf/Neudorf



[HN] Nienburg not Neinburg

Date: 2004/10/20 11:28:25
From: Reinhard . Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

orrect name is NIENBURG 


-- 
Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:40:19 +0200
> Subject: Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden
> From: MyGenWeb(a)aol.com
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

> Hello.
> I am unsure of your location for your "qu" name.  My 
location is
> Neinburg an der Weser, and the church is St. Martins.
> 
> As stated before, the Iowa 1925 census had my gr gr
grandfather Henry
> Schriever name his parents, who were Christian Schriever
and Carolina
> Quaider.
> Again, I am certain of the Schriever spelling, but
uncertain of the 
> Quaider spelling.  It really could be a number of "Qu"
spellings, and
> I  have been unable to verify it through church records.
> 
> Thanks again.
> Rachel Fafinski
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[HN] Re: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 11, Eint rag 25

Date: 2004/10/20 11:45:37
From: JAcord521 <JAcord521(a)aol.com>

I have seen Wulf's from Hasseluene who immigrated to Evansville,  Vanderburgh 
Co. IN.  I have a Maria Wulf who immigrated in 1859 through the  port of New 
Orleans to Evansville, with Maria Feldhaus.  Maria married in  1860 Gerhard 
Plochg, whose mother was Margaret Wulf.  I have seen other  Wulf's and Koenig's 
in the Catholic records of Evansville.  Don't have  anything else on them, but 
there are Wulf's in the Hasseluene census  records.
Hope this helps.
Judy

Re: [HN] Kemnade, Holzminden

Date: 2004/10/20 16:48:20
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

The phone directory of Nienburg shows this addresses:

Quade, Andreas u. Gabriele  Phone:(05021) 962327
  Marderweg 1
  31582 Nienburg

Quade, Jürgen u. Regina  (05021) 14638
  Große Heide 15
  31582 Nienburg

Schriever, Wilhelm  (05021) 66282
  Weberstr. 7
  31582 Nienburg

Quaider is in Germany not present.
Werner


> Hello.
> I am unsure of your location for your "qu" name.  My  location is Neinburg
> an
> der Weser, and the church is St. Martins.

> As stated before, the Iowa 1925 census had my gr gr grandfather Henry
> Schriever name his parents, who were Christian Schriever and Carolina
> Quaider.
> Again, I am certain of the Schriever spelling, but uncertain of the
> Quaider
> spelling.  It really could be a number of "Qu" spellings, and I  have been
> unable
> to verify it through church records.

> Thanks again.
> Rachel Fafinski
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Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel, Wedemark

Date: 2004/10/20 21:32:32
From: richard.pohl <Richard.Pohl(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Karen


Karen Kolp schrieb:
Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,

seit einiger Zeit lese ich schon in der Liste mit und jetzt moechte ich mich
vorstellen.

Mein Name ist Karen Kolp und ich befasse mich seit knapp 3 Jahren mit der
Erforschung der Vorfahren meiner Familie (Neumark und Schlesien) und bin
jetzt
bei der Linie meines Mannes(Brandenburg und Hannover) angelangt.

Gluecklicher Weise hatte ich fuer den von mir hauptsaechlich gesuchten Namen
Meyer
aus Dudenbostel, Wedemark einen Stammbaum als Anhaltspunkt vorliegen.
Da aber die Daten z.T. fehlerhaft bzw. unvollstaendig waren, habe ich mich
entschlossen, die Daten noch einmal genau zu ueberpruefen und zu
vervollstaendigen.
Dadurch kam eine Menge Datenmaterial zusammen, dass ich natuerlich auch gerne
weitergebe.

Da es sich hier um mehr als 1.500 Personennamen handelt, habe ich die Daten
etwas knapper zusammengefasst.


*Gemeinde Wedemark:*
Abbensen,Bennemuehlen,Bissendorf, Dudenbostel, Elze, Fuhrberg, Hellendorf,
Ibsingen, Meitze, Negenborn, Oegenbostel, Plumhoff, Resse, Rodenbostel,
Scherenbostel, Wennebostel, Wiechendorf

Beckmann, Beermannm, Behren, Biermann, Bihrmann, Blume, Bothmer, Brockmann,
Busse, Brauckmann, Bruns, Busse,Dangers, Dedeke, Degender, Doepke, Eilers,
Eickhoff, Engelke, Feddeler, Fortmoeller, Froemling, Frederking, Frerking,
Giesemann, Gleue, Goedecke, Goerjes, Goerjetz,Graes,  Gragers, Grauers, 
Hachmeister, Hanebuth, Hapke, Hase, Haselmann, Hasen, Hasselbrink, Hecht,
Heidorn, Hemme, Hoggrefen, Hogrefen, Holsten, Kasten, Kaufmann, Kaunen,
Kehrbach, Kohnen, Kueker, Lammers, Landers, Langehenje, Linneweh, Ludowig,
Lumann, Martens, Meine, Meier, Mesenbrink, Meyer, Moehlen, Moeller,
Mussmann, Niemeyer, Ohlhorst, Paulmann, Plincken, Plinke, Plumhoff,
Pralle, Rahlfs, Ralves, Rieckenberg, Riechers, Ridder, Rissen, Robberts,
Rodenbostel, Rothermund, Rose, Schneehage, Schroeder, Segelken,
Segelkin, Segelking, Sindorf, Stille, Strasmann, Stuenckel, Stuke,
Theilmann, Thiele, Thielking, Thies, Thiesse, Timpe, Uelschen, Ulschen,
Volbers, Volkmers, Volmers, Voltmers, Vortmueller, Wiedenhoefer, Wienhoefer,
Wiesen, Willers, Wischmann,Woehler, Zietz


*Kreis Neustadt a. Ruebenberge:*
Amedorf, Basse, Bordenau, Brase, Esperke, Evensen, Helstorf, Ladeholz,
Luttmersen, Mandelsloh, Mariensee, Metel, Niedernstoecken, Rodewald, 
Scharrel, Suttorf, Vesbeck, Warmeloh            
                         
Backhaus, Bauermeister, Bartels, Bartling, Baumgarte, Bock, Bohm,
Bostel, Bothmer, Brabant, Brauckmann,Bruns, Buetehorn, Burmester,
Buschmann, Clausing, Constabel, Constabels, Dannenberg, Dedeke,
Degener, Degenhard, Diekmann, Dierking, Dettmer, Dettmering,
Droesemeier, Ehlers, Eickhoff, Evers, Feddeler, Feisken, Frederking,
Frerking, Froemling, Gaers, Garberding, Gerberding, Gode,
Goers, Graas, Grauers, Hachmeister, Hahne, Hahnen, Hanebuth,
Hartjen, Hecht, Heidorn, Heims, Heine, Hemme, Heuer, Hochs, Hoeper,
Hoeyer, Hoggrefen, Homann, Juergens, Kehrbach, Klingemann, Knigge,
Koch, Kohnen, Kuhls, Kreienberg, Krumwiede, Kueker, Lammers,
Langehenje, Langreder, Leiseberg, Leseberg, Lindhorst, Lindwedel,
Linneweh,Lipitz, Ludowig, Luecke, Luersen, Luesenhop, Meier,
Meimann, Meins, Mente, Menzer, Metterhausen, Meyer, Moeller,
Mohrhoff, Niemeier, Oelerking, Peters, Pfingsten, Plumhoff,
Prueser, Rahlfs, Ralves, Reineke, Riechers, Rieckenberg, Ridder,
Ringe, Rissen,Rodenbostel, Rose, Rothermund, Rust, Schardau,
Scharnhorst, Schmuck, Schneehage, Schoeneberg,Schrader, Schroeder,
Schuenhoff, Schulte, Schulze, Sekelken,  Segelking, Sindorf,
Sprengel, Steding, Stille,Stuenkel, Stuke, Suren, Theilmann,
Thielking, Thiesing, Thormann, Timme, Tolle, Uelschen, Vahrenkamp,
Veesche, Vesche, Veske, Volbers, Volkmers, Weneken, Wiebe, Woehler,
Wolckenhauer 


*Krs. Soltau-Fallingbostel:* 
Buchholz, Eickeloh, Eilvese, Essel, Gilten, Hope, Lindwedel, Norddrebber,
Schwarmstedt  
                         
Bauermeister, Beuermeister, Buetehorn, Burmester, Brauckmann,
Brockmann, Degener, Feddeler, Feine, Frederking,Frine,  Engehausen,
Karstens, Koltsse, Lahens, Lindwedel, Lohens, Mesenbrink, Meyer,
Narjes, Resman, Schneehage

Ich hoffe auf eine gute Zusammenarbeit!

Viele Gruesse

Karen Kolp      


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[HN] Namen Suche

Date: 2004/10/20 21:53:16
From: Thorsten <T.Minse(a)t-online.de>

 
hallo Freunde



Habe da mal wieder meine Namen die ich immer noch suche und über jede hilfe dankbar bin. Ich hoffe Ihr könnt mir helfen



Mfg

Thorsten aus Simonswald ( Schwarzwald)







BAUER - Fahren

BEDEI - Kröß

BEHREND / BERNS - Neuhaus

BOLLER - Großwessek

BRAND / BRANDT - Salzhausen / Exter-Herford

BROOCKS - Schönkirchen / Neumühlen

BRUHN - Schleswig-Holstein

CLEMENT - Gettorf / Königsförde

CORNELSEN - Königsförde

DOSE - Giekau

GEEST - Bokhold / Probsteierhagen / Weißenhaus / Hansühn / Hohenstein / Putlos / Oldenburg in Holstein / Bardin

GIRE - Probsteierhagen

GROENING - Dransau / Giekau

GÜNTHER - Jasdorf

HAMANN - Königsförde

HARDER / HARDROß - Röbsdorf

HILBERT - Probsteierhagen

HOPNER - Probsteierhagen

HUNWARTSEN - Bohmstedt / Drelsdorf

KÖHLER - Großwessek

KOKEMÜLLER - Dedensen /

KOPP - Exter-Herford

KRAEMER - Giekau

LEHMBECK - Bardin

LÜTHJE - Königsförde

MEWS - Königsförde

MEYER - Kirchgellersen

MÖLLER - Probsteierhagen

NISSEN - Kappeln

NORDHAUSEN - Cappeln / Kappeln

SCHRAMM - Jasdorf

SCHWARTZ - Königsförde

SINDT - Muxal / Probsteierhagen / Schrevendorf / Röbsdorf

SITICUM / SITIKUM / SITICOM / SITIKOM - Adelbylund / Tastrup / Tettwangen / Krsp. Schwansen / Tondern / Leck / Lütjenhorn / Jütland

STEFFEN - Muxal / Röbsdorf / Kröß

STEFFENS - Probsteierhagen

STEHR - Oldershausen

THEDE - Probstei

THEEN - Königsförde

THIERING - Giekau / Gleschendorf / Dransau / Neumühlen / Dietrichsdorf / Schönkirchen

THOMSEN - Medelby

WELLENDORF - Muxal / Probsteierhagen   

WENK / WENKE / WENKEN - Tönnhausen / Drage / Winsen an der Luhe

WILDE - Oldershausen / Handorf-Lüneburg

WULF - Koehn / Giekau

[HN] Kruckemeyer

Date: 2004/10/20 22:02:20
From: Wim Kruikemeier <W.Kruikemeier(a)chello.nl>

I research the german name Kruckemeyer (and variations) since I know that my dutch name comes from a german soldier (Berend Mauritz Kru(c)kemeyer who was a member of the Garnison of Meppen about 1725. Now I found in the on line  churchbook of Hemmendorf a number of Kruckemeyer's  I am specially interested in Jobst Heinrich Kruckemeyer who married in 25-8-1754 in Hemmendorf with the notion "von Coppenbrügge" He died in 23-5-1767 at the age of 42 years, so I think he is born in 1725 in Coppenbrügge Is there anybody who research the churchbooks of Coppenbrügge and the area and recognize the name


Thank you

Wim Kruikemeier

Re: [HN] Namen Suche

Date: 2004/10/20 22:35:57
From: AKVZ (Peter Voß) <KPV(a)AKVZ.de>

Hallo Thorsten,

geh' mal in unsere Datenbank: http://www.akvz.de/DB

BROOCKS =  - 24 Einträge 

BRUHN =   310 Einträge 

CLEMENT =  46 Einträge 

CORNELSEN =  6 Einträge 


... und so weiter 

Gruß Peter Voß

Re: [HN] Re: Wulf & Brinkmann

Date: 2004/10/20 23:16:32
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Linda,

       Since your family was Catholic, you might look at this website:
http://www.emslanders.com/bre.htm

       If you haven't seen this site before, it is about the people of
Hannover who lived in the area near the Ems river--called the Emsland.  They
tended to be Catholic and there were many emigrants.  On the address above,
if you scroll down you will see a Brinkman. The spelling with only one "n"
is not significant. Wulf may be Wulff in some records.

      Perhaps this family may be related to yours. You could contact the
person on the homepage where there is an email address and see if you could
find the person who submitted the Brinkman name.
  
     That whole website is an interesting one.

Barbara 



on 10/18/04 9:09 PM, LWKoenig(a)aol.com at LWKoenig(a)aol.com wrote:

> Thanks everyone. Rena, I've seen the Focke-Wulf planes mentioned during my
> google searches for Wulf. I hadn't ever heard of them before then, but my
> 18-year-old son, who reads books on military planes, weapons, and tactics,
> sure knew 
> about them. Speaking of POWs, one of my dad's Wulf cousins was logging Nazi
> POWs in at an Allied camp in Europe (France? England?) when he ran across a
> prisoner named Wulf. He questioned him through an interpreter - sure enough,
> they 
> were cousins.
> 
> Barbie, I tried the website URL you gave me and for some reason it keeps
> telling me the page has expired. I'll keep trying.
> 
> Barbara, my Wulfs were/are Catholic, so the Brinkmanns probably were, too.
> Hadn't thought of doing research specifically on Catholics - good idea!
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Linda
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Re: [HN] Wille Surname

Date: 2004/10/20 23:46:17
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hi Marlene,

    You could try to contact the church in Landesbergen.  There is an email
address on this page:
http://www.nienburg-online.de/de/cont/kultur/sehen/tour/tour.php3?ID=1068

Good luck to you!
Barbara



on 10/11/04 11:21 PM, Marlene at marsmemories(a)sio.midco.net wrote:

> I have been searching for my great grandmother's family for a long time to no
> avail.  I recently found her father, Heinrich Wille,  working for a Louis
> Balgemann in York Township, DuPage County, Illinois in the 1880 census.  I
> looked up on Rootsweb and found the Balgemann information.  When I looked in
> the Index I found them showing  having Wille relatives although my great
> grandfather is not listed there.
> The Balgemann's were from Landesbergen, Hanover, Prussia.  I am thinking my
> great grandfather must have known this family from Landesbergen, Germany and
> is possibly related to them.
> 
> Is there anyone who could give me some input how I would find information on
> the Wille and Balgemann families in this area?  I think they were Lutheran.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Marlene
> South Dakota
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Re: [HN] Biermann ev. Großraum Peine

Date: 2004/10/21 10:49:42
From: Heinrich Munk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Helmuth, Deine Anfrage liegt zwar schon einige Wochen zurück, ich hoffe, Du hast über Biermann in Peine jede Menge Informationen erhalten, denn 130 war Dr. Johann Carl Adolph Biermann Land- und Stadtphysikus in Peine, er setzte sich für die Schaffung eine Stadtbibliothek ein und war auch sonst recht aktiv in der Kommunalpolitk, alles Gute Heinrich
"Gienke" <Helmuth(a)gienke.net> schrieb:
> Kann mir jemand helfen?
> 
> Unter meinen Vorfahren endet eine Linie mit dem Auszug aus dem Kirchenbuch Gülzow/ Lauenburg:
> 
> Anne Christina Elise Biermann, geb. Am 12 März (?) 1841, getauft am 17.2.1841,
> Vater: Franz Christoph Daniel Biermann, Gerichtsvoigt in Gülzow
> Mutter: Catharina Margaretha Elisabeth, geb. Baar
> Gevattern: 
> 1.) Cath. Maria Elisab. Eckermann, geb. Schlottermann in Gülzow
> 2.) Anna Catharina Christina Schulz, geb. Thode Hüffners Frau in Gülzow
> 3.) Anna Maria Dor. Herbst, geb. Schmidt, Hüffners Frau in Gülzow
> 
> Der Vater Franz Christoph Daniel Biermann stammt eventuell aus der Gegend um Peine. Aus Peine kam jedenfalls Charlotte Eleonore Biermann, geb. Ludewig, Patin bei einem Kind des Friedrich Georg Ludewig, Pächter der gräflichen Güter in Gülzow.
> 
> Vielen Dank für die Hilfe.
> 
> Helmuth Gienke
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[HN] Vorstellung

Date: 2004/10/21 11:10:54
From: Andreas Reitzig <andreas_reitzig(a)yahoo.com>

Guten Tag,

Mein Name ist Andreas Reitzig. Eine meiner Vorfahren stammt aus dem
heutigen Niedersachsen.

Dabei handelt es sich um Rosine Christine Friederike LOEHR (* 1805 in
Osterode/Harz, + 15.01.1878 in Rhoden, Herzogtum Braunschweig).

Gibt es irgendjemand, bei dem dieser Name oder Nachname in der
Ahnenforschung auftauchen und der mir vielleicht weiterhelfen könnte?

Vielen Dank und viele Grüße aus Neuseeland,

Andreas



		
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Re: [HN] Vorstellung

Date: 2004/10/21 11:34:30
From: Heinrich Munk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Andreas, am 4. Februar 1803 erwarb der Schmiedegeselle JohannHeinrich Löhr aus Wettbergen bei Hannover gebürtigt in Osterode das Bürgerrecht. Er könnte evtl. der Vater ihrer Vorfahrin Rosine Christine sein. Alles Gute Heinrich
"Andreas Reitzig" <andreas_reitzig(a)yahoo.com> schrieb:
> Guten Tag,
> 
> Mein Name ist Andreas Reitzig. Eine meiner Vorfahren stammt aus dem
> heutigen Niedersachsen.
> 
> Dabei handelt es sich um Rosine Christine Friederike LOEHR (* 1805 in
> Osterode/Harz, + 15.01.1878 in Rhoden, Herzogtum Braunschweig).
> 
> Gibt es irgendjemand, bei dem dieser Name oder Nachname in der
> Ahnenforschung auftauchen und der mir vielleicht weiterhelfen könnte?
> 
> Vielen Dank und viele Grüße aus Neuseeland,
> 
> Andreas
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Vorstellung

Date: 2004/10/21 12:02:05
From: Andreas Reitzig <andreas_reitzig(a)yahoo.com>

Hallo Heinrich,

Sehr interessant. Danke für die Information!

Viele Grüße, Andreas

--- Heinrich Munk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de> wrote:

> Hallo Andreas, am 4. Februar 1803 erwarb der Schmiedegeselle
> JohannHeinrich Löhr aus Wettbergen bei Hannover gebürtigt in
> Osterode das Bürgerrecht. Er könnte evtl. der Vater ihrer Vorfahrin
> Rosine Christine sein. Alles Gute Heinrich
> "Andreas Reitzig" <andreas_reitzig(a)yahoo.com> schrieb:
> > Guten Tag,
> > 
> > Mein Name ist Andreas Reitzig. Eine meiner Vorfahren stammt aus
> dem
> > heutigen Niedersachsen.
> > 
> > Dabei handelt es sich um Rosine Christine Friederike LOEHR (*
> 1805 in
> > Osterode/Harz, + 15.01.1878 in Rhoden, Herzogtum Braunschweig).
> > 
> > Gibt es irgendjemand, bei dem dieser Name oder Nachname in der
> > Ahnenforschung auftauchen und der mir vielleicht weiterhelfen
> könnte?
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Re: Re: [HN] Namen Suche Voss

Date: 2004/10/21 14:56:18
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>

Hallo Herr Voß,
ich sehe soeben Ihren Namen in der Mail-Liste und gebe daher an Sie folgende Suchanfragen zu Voss weiter:

- 18.Feb.1998 Jillwall(a)aol.de
  My grgrandfather, Friedrich Voss, b Oct.6, 1830, renounced the kingdom of Hannover when he filed declaration of intent for US citizenship 7 June, 1852 in Cincinnati Ohio
The declaration gives 1 May, 1849 at New Orleans, no home village is listed (ich habe eine Kopie von dem Dokument)
Emigrated from Bremen to New Orleans 1.May, 1849

- 22.08.2003 josiebanks(a)aol.com
  I am rejoining to inquire about my VOSS ancestors as follows:
  William Johann Voss, b. abt. 1818, wife Mena(?)
  children born in Oldenburg (vieleicht in Schleswig-Holstein):
  - Johann Heinrich Adolph Voss, b. 8.Feb.1841
  - Henry, b. abt. 1846
  - Caroline, b. 2.Apr. 1852

In beiden Fällen konnte ich nicht helfen, obwohl so ziemlich alles in Oldenburg und im angrenzenden Vörden durchsucht habe. Vieleicht haben Sie eine Idee.

Gruß,
Werner Honkomp

> Hallo Thorsten,

> geh' mal in unsere Datenbank: http://www.akvz.de/DB

> BROOCKS =  - 24 Einträge

> BRUHN =   310 Einträge

> CLEMENT =  46 Einträge

> CORNELSEN =  6 Einträge


> ... und so weiter

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[HN] Krieger,Johann Hermann, geb. Baccum/Lingen 01.04.1858,

Date: 2004/10/21 17:19:30
From: Ken Thompson <kthompsn(a)springmail.com>

Seeking information on my great-grandfather, (Johann) Hermann Krieger, born 01.04.1858, Baccum/Lingen, 
married Marie Fransziska Elizabet Kleine in Ostercappeln (1886), emigrated to US early in 1892,
wife and 2 daughters arrived Ellis Island, NY 26.Aug.1892 enroute to Toledo Ohio.  According to my father, he was a shoemaker.  Family was/is Roman Catholic.  Can provide information on the American branch of the family.
mfg,




Ken Thompson,  Moline Acres, North StLouis County, MO 63136
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Re: [HN] Kruckemeyer

Date: 2004/10/21 21:53:48
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Wim Kruikemeier" <W.Kruikemeier(a)chello.nl> schrieb:
> I research the german name Kruckemeyer (and variations) since I know that my dutch name comes from a german soldier (Berend Mauritz Kru(c)kemeyer who was a member of the Garnison of Meppen about 1725. Now I found in the on line  churchbook of Hemmendorf a number of Kruckemeyer's  I am specially interested in Jobst Heinrich Kruckemeyer who married in 25-8-1754 in Hemmendorf with the notion "von Coppenbrügge" He died in 23-5-1767 at the age of 42 years, so I think he is born in 1725 in Coppenbrügge Is there anybody who research the churchbooks of Coppenbrügge and the area and recognize the name
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Wim Kruikemeier


Hello Wim,

I have only the register of marriages of Coppenbrügge from the beginning at 1644 until 1750. The name Kruckemeyer does not appear there (neither Kruckemeier, nor Krukemeyer, Krukemeier or similar). Therefore the parents of Jobst Heinrich probably are not from Coppenbrügge. 

Best wishes

Wilfried Petersen



[HN] Utermoehle - Utermollen - uth der Mollen - aus der Moln - Aus der Muehln - Ausdermuehlen - Austermuehle ???

Date: 2004/10/21 23:16:01
From: Hans Austermuhle <auster(a)racsa.co.cr>

Hi

My family name is Austermuehle. Despite my branch of the family having been Dutch for 5 generations, I recently discovered that our earlier ancestors came from Northern Hessen, from the Liebenau, Ostheim, Hofgeismar area north of Kassel, not too far from Goettingen. The Utermoehlens come from the Goetingen area. My reasearch has indicated that Austermuehle evolved from Ausdermuehle, via Ausdermuehlen, Aus der Muehln, Aus der Moln, uth der Mollen and byt der Mollen. This led me to suspect that the Utermoehlens of the Goettingen area and Austermuehles of the Hofgeismar/Liebenau/Ostheim area have common roots (presumably somewhere beyond the Weser) and I am therefore looking for them. Is there anybody who has any information on this or could help me further?

I speak and read German but my written command of it is very week.

Thanks in advance!

Cheerio,

Hans H. Austermuehle
Costa Rica
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[HN] Re: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 11, Eint rag 29

Date: 2004/10/22 13:05:14
From: LWKoenig <LWKoenig(a)aol.com>

Barbara, thank you, I'm going to visit the site now -

Linda

>     Since your family was Catholic, you might look at this website:
> http://www.emslanders.com/bre.htm
> 
>     If you haven't seen this site before, it is about the people of
> Hannover who lived in the area near the Ems river--called the Emsland.  They
> tended to be Catholic and there were many emigrants.  On the address above,
> if you scroll down you will see a Brinkman. The spelling with only one "n"
> is not significant. Wulf may be Wulff in some records.
> 
>    Perhaps this family may be related to yours. You could contact the
> person on the homepage where there is an email address and see if you could
> find the person who submitted the Brinkman name.
>  
>    That whole website is an interesting one.
> 
> Barbara 


[HN] Otterstedt from Hanover

Date: 2004/10/22 13:37:23
From: Ottypotty <Ottypotty(a)aol.com>

Dear listers
I have eventually found my Johan Otterstedt b 1872/3 Hanover family. They are 
in uk in 1881 under Otterstart.  Wish people would transcribe properly as its 
taken 5 years to even get that far,
So I now have 
Heinrich Otterstedt b abt 1850 in Hanover naturalised  sugar maker
Rachel Otterstedt b 1848 hanover naturalised
Johann Otterstedt b 1872  Hanover
heinrick   b 1874 St george England
Diedrick  1880 st georgein the east
Catherine 1883
Marguerithe  Otterstedt 1884 St george in the east
Diedrick 1885

They lived at 22 Christian Street on 81 and 91 although heinrick has a new 
wife.  Johan and heinrick junior not on 91,  
Acording to sugar baker site
heinrick Otterstedt of Rotenburg . of Sottrum  came to England 1875-1883  
This would tie in  as the address is 22 Christian St st george in the east

Also Johan Heinrick  OTterstedt of Ottersburg  at 11 Christian St 1861 
so maybe relation??

The otterstedt (all except my gtgrandfather ) left england between 1891 -1901 
probably around 1895.  Is there any way of finding out to where , maybe back 
to germany or us.  
Is there any way of finding out when they were naturalised.  I assume between 
1872- 81 by the birth places of children and 81 census.  Would the document 
give me any additional info.

There is a slight link to noteriety with my Otterstedt
Their address on the 81 and 91 census is the same address given by a person 
coming forward to the police in connection with the Elizabeth Stride jack the 
ripper murder.  Leon Goldstein was in the area of Strides murder at the time 
and used the Christian St address.  Possibly a relation of Goldstein,  Rebecca 
Goldstein was living with the Otterstedt in 1881
Also a major Sus[pect!!  Maurice Kosminski moved to 22 Christian St in 1895 
with his family.  How can one find out peoples address for 1895?

Also anyone descending from the Otterstedt that were in England must have a 
family tale to tell about the Ripper investigation.  Unfortunately my 
gtgrandfather died 1908 when grandfather was just 4 and there is no trace of any one 
from the other Otterstedt in England now

Best wishes
Helen in Lancashire

[HN] Utermoehle - Utermollen - uth der Mollen - aus der Moln

Date: 2004/10/22 15:16:11
From: Hans Austermuhle <auster(a)racsa.co.cr>


Rena,

Thank you for your kind initiative.

Kind regards

Hans Austermuhle

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Re: [HN] Otterstedt from Hanover

Date: 2004/10/23 06:50:11
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello,

     There are a number of Otterstedts who live in Germany today.  Several
are in Ottersberg. 

http://www.telefonbuch.de

    There are 38 Otterstedts in the U.S. telephone book.

    Also,  if you use the LDS (www.familysearch.org), use only the surname
and check "correct spelling," there are many Otterstedts in a lot of places.
The 1880 census in the USA shows quite a few with a birthplace of Hannover.

Barbara




on 10/22/04 5:37 AM, Ottypotty(a)aol.com at Ottypotty(a)aol.com wrote:

> Otterstedt


Re: [HN] Otterstedt from Hanover

Date: 2004/10/23 09:13:08
From: "Jürgen E.W. Meyer" <JEW.Meyer(a)t-online.de>

Hello everybody, hello Helen,
by chance I read that there will be a lecture in the Zeven city hall (Rathaus)on November 16, 2004 titled "Auf ins gelobte Land" - Aus dem Amt Zeven in die britische Zuckerindustrie" - Vortrag zum Thema "Migration der Zuckersieder"
(rough translation: "Up into the Promided Land" - From the county of Zeven into the British sugar industry" - Lecture on the subject "migration of the sugar makers")
Maybe somebody living near Zeven can get in touch with the organizer.
Regards from Berlin
Jürgen E.W. Meyer


<Ottypotty(a)aol.com> schrieb:
> Dear listers
> I have eventually found my Johan Otterstedt b 1872/3 Hanover family. They are 
> in uk in 1881 under Otterstart.  Wish people would transcribe properly as its 
> taken 5 years to even get that far,
> So I now have 
> Heinrich Otterstedt b abt 1850 in Hanover naturalised  sugar maker
> Rachel Otterstedt b 1848 hanover naturalised
> Johann Otterstedt b 1872  Hanover
> heinrick   b 1874 St george England
> Diedrick  1880 st georgein the east
> Catherine 1883
> Marguerithe  Otterstedt 1884 St george in the east
> Diedrick 1885
> 
> They lived at 22 Christian Street on 81 and 91 although heinrick has a new 
> wife.  Johan and heinrick junior not on 91,  
> Acording to sugar baker site
> heinrick Otterstedt of Rotenburg . of Sottrum  came to England 1875-1883  
> This would tie in  as the address is 22 Christian St st george in the east
> 
> Also Johan Heinrick  OTterstedt of Ottersburg  at 11 Christian St 1861 
> so maybe relation??
> 
> The otterstedt (all except my gtgrandfather ) left england between 1891 -1901 
> probably around 1895.  Is there any way of finding out to where , maybe back 
> to germany or us.  
> Is there any way of finding out when they were naturalised.  I assume between 
> 1872- 81 by the birth places of children and 81 census.  Would the document 
> give me any additional info.
> 
> There is a slight link to noteriety with my Otterstedt
> Their address on the 81 and 91 census is the same address given by a person 
> coming forward to the police in connection with the Elizabeth Stride jack the 
> ripper murder.  Leon Goldstein was in the area of Strides murder at the time 
> and used the Christian St address.  Possibly a relation of Goldstein,  Rebecca 
> Goldstein was living with the Otterstedt in 1881
> Also a major Sus[pect!!  Maurice Kosminski moved to 22 Christian St in 1895 
> with his family.  How can one find out peoples address for 1895?
> 
> Also anyone descending from the Otterstedt that were in England must have a 
> family tale to tell about the Ripper investigation.  Unfortunately my 
> gtgrandfather died 1908 when grandfather was just 4 and there is no trace of any one 
> from the other Otterstedt in England now
> 
> Best wishes
> Helen in Lancashire
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[HN] OTterstedt

Date: 2004/10/23 13:18:48
From: Ottypotty <Ottypotty(a)aol.com>

Dear All
Many thanks for replies to Otterstedt query.

I am almost certain that my Otterstedt family didnt leave England 1891-1901 
for the US
I cant find any matching at all on any passenger lists to US 
So possibly went back to Germany
How can you find naturalisation certificates for period 1872-1881 and 
passenger lists going from England to Germany
The lecture Migration of the Sugar Makers seems very interesting
Were these German migrants originally sugar makers in Germany and carried on 
trade once in England.
Or were they so unfortunate to as to arrive in London and find nothing 
better.
Is Otterstedt a jewish or Catholic name. Mine were living in a predominantly 
jewish area of St Georges Whitechapel and other lodgers in the household 
seemed to be Jewish as well.  Was wondering as all known offspring are quite fair 
in comparison!!
Thanks for any help you can give me.

Best wishes Helen in Lancashire

[HN] Otterstedt from Hanover ENGLISH ARCHIVES

Date: 2004/10/23 13:49:12
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hello Helen,
The denization / naturalisation records are mostly on-line at this website.
HO (Home Office) is the reference
WO (War Office) has some very old Hannover army records.
I've had a look for you under 'stedt, Ott*, etc and unfortunately it hasn't brought up your name
http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.asp

As regards old English addresses. I've been lucky enough to find the area I'm interested in in Yorkshire has an online 1892 street address/inhabitant directory, possibly you could surf for directories - even if it's not on-line it may be in a local university or library archive?

1900/01 Do you think they would have gone back home at that time - there was a lot of Bismarck upheaval.

You've surprised me that the sugar database doesn't have the workers town of origin - I must have misunderstood the Hull, Yorkshire description of the original entries.

Rena nr Accrington, Lancashire.
==
From: Ottypotty(a)aol.com
Dear listers
I have eventually found my Johan Otterstedt b 1872/3 Hanover family. They are in uk in 1881 under Otterstart. Wish people would transcribe properly as its
taken 5 years to even get that far,
So I now have
Heinrich Otterstedt b abt 1850 in Hanover naturalised  sugar maker
Rachel Otterstedt b 1848 hanover naturalised
Johann Otterstedt b 1872  Hanover
heinrick   b 1874 St george England
Diedrick  1880 st georgein the east
Catherine 1883
Marguerithe  Otterstedt 1884 St george in the east
Diedrick 1885

They lived at 22 Christian Street on 81 and 91 although heinrick has a new
wife.  Johan and heinrick junior not on 91,
Acording to sugar baker site
heinrick Otterstedt of Rotenburg . of Sottrum  came to England 1875-1883
This would tie in  as the address is 22 Christian St st george in the east

Also Johan Heinrick  OTterstedt of Ottersburg  at 11 Christian St 1861
so maybe relation??

The otterstedt (all except my gtgrandfather ) left england between 1891 -1901
probably around 1895.  Is there any way of finding out to where , maybe back
to germany or us.
Is there any way of finding out when they were naturalised. I assume between
1872- 81 by the birth places of children and 81 census.  Would the document
give me any additional info.

There is a slight link to noteriety with my Otterstedt
Their address on the 81 and 91 census is the same address given by a person
coming forward to the police in connection with the Elizabeth Stride jack the
ripper murder.  Leon Goldstein was in the area of Strides murder at the time
and used the Christian St address. Possibly a relation of Goldstein, Rebecca
Goldstein was living with the Otterstedt in 1881
Also a major Sus[pect!!  Maurice Kosminski moved to 22 Christian St in 1895
with his family.  How can one find out peoples address for 1895?

Also anyone descending from the Otterstedt that were in England must have a
family tale to tell about the Ripper investigation.  Unfortunately my
gtgrandfather died 1908 when grandfather was just 4 and there is no trace of any one
from the other Otterstedt in England now

Best wishes
Helen in Lancashire

[HN] Hilfe beim spanisch Übersetzung

Date: 2004/10/23 17:13:52
From: Klaus Schmidt <SchmidtKl(a)gmx.de>

Hallo liebe Mitforschende,

ich habe hier einen spanischen Text, wer kann mir bei der Übersetzung
helfen.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
EL DUENABURG
El 23, el mando del 4° Panzergruppe ordena a sus dos cuerpos la toma del
area de Duenaburg lo mas rapido posible; como el XLI CEM se encuentra en
combates con el enemigo, solo las tropas moviles pueden avanzar, El 24. los
elementos en cabeza alcanzan el area cerca de Wilkomierz, el destacamento
avanzado de la 8° Division Panzer alcanza la carretera de Dueaburg, despues
de repeler un duro ataque ruso. La 3° Division de Infanteria Motorizada del
Teniente General jahn entra en persecucion de las fuerzas rusas en retirada;
el 25, la 8° Division Panzer y la 3°DIM llegan a Ukmerge, alcanzando su
objetivo. Un grupo especial del 8° Regimiento de Entrenamiento "Brandenburg"
al mando del Coronel Knaak, se reporta al Mayor General Brandenberger en la
noche; dos grupos de asalto del mismo, vestidos con uniformes rusos asaltan
los puentes sobre el Duena, capturandolos; a las 05:00 horas llega el 5°
Batallon de la 8° Division Panzer, el Teniente Coronel Schneider, comandante
del 3/59° Batallon de Ingenieros toma posesion del puente.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------

Danke für eure mitarbeit!

Gruß aus Berlin

Klaus (Schmidt)



Re: [HN] Hilfe beim spanisch Übersetzung

Date: 2004/10/23 17:45:09
From: Heinrich Munk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Klaus, es scheint ein text aus demBuch "Blaue Division", Spaniens Freiwillige an der Ostfront von Genral Esteban-Infantes zu sein. Das Buch erschien 1958, sicherlich bekommst Du es in einer Berliner Bibliothek geliehen. Alles Gute Heinrich
"Klaus Schmidt" <SchmidtKl(a)gmx.de> schrieb:
> Hallo liebe Mitforschende,
> 
> ich habe hier einen spanischen Text, wer kann mir bei der Übersetzung
> helfen.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> EL DUENABURG
> El 23, el mando del 4° Panzergruppe ordena a sus dos cuerpos la toma del
> area de Duenaburg lo mas rapido posible; como el XLI CEM se encuentra en
> combates con el enemigo, solo las tropas moviles pueden avanzar, El 24. los
> elementos en cabeza alcanzan el area cerca de Wilkomierz, el destacamento
> avanzado de la 8° Division Panzer alcanza la carretera de Dueaburg, despues
> de repeler un duro ataque ruso. La 3° Division de Infanteria Motorizada del
> Teniente General jahn entra en persecucion de las fuerzas rusas en retirada;
> el 25, la 8° Division Panzer y la 3°DIM llegan a Ukmerge, alcanzando su
> objetivo. Un grupo especial del 8° Regimiento de Entrenamiento "Brandenburg"
> al mando del Coronel Knaak, se reporta al Mayor General Brandenberger en la
> noche; dos grupos de asalto del mismo, vestidos con uniformes rusos asaltan
> los puentes sobre el Duena, capturandolos; a las 05:00 horas llega el 5°
> Batallon de la 8° Division Panzer, el Teniente Coronel Schneider, comandante
> del 3/59° Batallon de Ingenieros toma posesion del puente.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
> 
> Danke für eure mitarbeit!
> 
> Gruß aus Berlin
> 
> Klaus (Schmidt)
> 
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[HN] Übersetzung aus dem Spanischen

Date: 2004/10/23 18:01:14
From: Erbensucher <Erbensucher(a)aol.com>

Hallo Klaus!
 
Ich werde mal versuchen, ob mein Schulspanisch ausreicht. Ich hoffe, dass  
ich das Ergebnis noch heute Abend zusenden kann.
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Hannover
 
Gunter (Jüchter)
 

Re: [HN] Hilfe beim spanisch Übersetzung

Date: 2004/10/23 19:01:06
From: Klaus Schmidt <SchmidtKl(a)gmx.de>

>scheint ein text aus demBuch "Blaue Division", Spaniens Freiwillige an der
Ostfront von Genral Esteban-Infantes zu sein.
Hallo Heinrich,
an das Buch hatte ich auch gedacht aber zeitlich gibt es keine
übereinstimmung.
Die "Operation Barbarossa" begann am 22.6.1941, die Person KNAAK die in dem
Text erwähnt ist, ist aber am 26.6.1941 gefallen. Die "Blaue Division" wurde
im Juli 1941 im Baskenland aufgestellt und am 13.7. Richtung Deutschland in
Marsch gesetzt, und von dort aus erst am 20.8.1941 Richtung Rußland.

Denn noch Danke für deinen Hinweis!

Schönen Abend, schönes Wochenende.

Klaus (Schmidt)




[HN] Friderici in der Umgegend von Hannover 1700

Date: 2004/10/23 19:38:20
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)manquehue.net>

Suche jedes Vorkommen des FN 
FRIEDERICI / FRIDERICI  in Hannover um 1700-1720 !!! 
***************************************************************  
Jeder Hinweis ist von Interesse 
Herzliche Grüsse aus Santiago de Chile 
Georg Friederici 
* 

[HN] STEINLAH - Flemme

Date: 2004/10/24 10:23:58
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hallo Listers,

I know you will be pleased for me when I say I have found an earlier generation relative who knows where my gt grandfather Hermann FLEMME was born, but the corroborating document has not yet been found.

HERMANN FLEMME was born 1854-55 in STEINLAH.

Unfortunately the parish registers for Steinlah on familysearch.org end 1815. I have surfed Google and find this town is near SALZGITTER. I couldn't decipher the information but it seems to me that the district responsible for Steinlah is now HAVERLAH.

Could someone who understands German please do a Google and find the civil parish and the church parish and where I can obtain his birth record?

Tra la la,
Rena in England.





Re: [HN] Hilfe beim spanisch Übersetzung

Date: 2004/10/24 11:55:40
From: Klaus Schmidt <SchmidtKl(a)gmx.de>

Hallo liebe Mitforschende,
ich danke allen die mir so freundlich und tatkräftig bei der Übersetzung des
Textes geholfen habe.Danke!

Ihr ward mir eine sehr große Hilfe, den durch die Übersetzung weis ich nun
das Oberleutnant KNAAK bei den "Brandenburger" war und das er bei diesem
Einsatz gefallen ist.

Also nochmals vielen Dank und noch ein schönes Wochenende,
auch nach Costa Rica.

Gruß aus dem sonnigen Berlin

Klaus (Schmidt)



[HN] Suche nach Fam. DUEMS

Date: 2004/10/24 19:53:21
From: Klaus Schmidt <SchmidtKl(a)gmx.de>

Liebe Listengemeinde,
seid geraumer Zeit durchforste ich das Internet nach der Fam. DUEMS. Aber
leider ohne Erfolg, bzw. nicht den kleinsten Anhaltspunkt. Nichtmal bei den
Mormonen gab es eine Person.
Wer hat eine Idee oder eine Anregung wie ich weiter suchen kann.
 Danke für eure mitarbeit!

Gruß aus Berlin

Klaus (Schmidt)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rena MCCARTHY" <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 10:20 AM
Subject: [HN] STEINLAH - Flemme


> Hallo Listers,
>
> I know you will be pleased for me when I say I have found an earlier
> generation relative who knows where my gt grandfather Hermann FLEMME was
> born, but the corroborating document has not yet been found.
>
> HERMANN FLEMME was born 1854-55 in STEINLAH.
>
> Unfortunately the parish registers for Steinlah on familysearch.org end
> 1815.  I have surfed Google and find this town is near SALZGITTER.  I
> couldn't decipher the information but it seems to me that the district
> responsible for Steinlah is now HAVERLAH.
>
> Could someone who understands German please do a Google and find the civil
> parish and the church parish and where I can obtain his birth record?
>
> Tra la la,
> Rena in England.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] STEINLAH - Flemme

Date: 2004/10/24 20:41:51
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Rena,  
    Congratulations!  I know how long and hard you have looked for the
Flemme birthplace!
    The LDS have church records for Haverlah 1853-1874.  Wouldn't that show
his birth and parents?
   Would this help?  From a google search:

20. Haverlah, pc. Servatius
Kirchstr. 11, 38275 Haverlah
Tel 05341/33522, fax 05341/338610
E-Mail: ev.Kirche.Haverlah(a)t online.de

in addition Haverlah Steinlah, pc. Katharinen

Good luck,
Barbara





on 10/24/04 2:20 AM, Rena MCCARTHY at Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk wrote:

> Hallo Listers,
> 
> I know you will be pleased for me when I say I have found an earlier
> generation relative who knows where my gt grandfather Hermann FLEMME was
> born, but the corroborating document has not yet been found.
> 
> HERMANN FLEMME was born 1854-55 in STEINLAH.
> 
> Unfortunately the parish registers for Steinlah on familysearch.org end
> 1815.  I have surfed Google and find this town is near SALZGITTER.  I
> couldn't decipher the information but it seems to me that the district
> responsible for Steinlah is now HAVERLAH.
> 
> Could someone who understands German please do a Google and find the civil
> parish and the church parish and where I can obtain his birth record?
> 
> Tra la la,
> Rena in England.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[HN] Bielefeld aus Gr. Freden, Braunschweig

Date: 2004/10/24 22:58:23
From: sksmith <sksmith_nl(a)hotmail.com>

Looking for information of family Bielefeld from Gross Freden, Kreis Alfeld.
Also related families of Grote from Alshausen, Gieseke, Randau.

Steve Smith
sksmith_nl(a)hotmail.com

Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, - KNIGGE -SEGELKE - NAGELS - HOGREFE Families

Date: 2004/10/24 23:08:59
From: Carol Knigge <caknigge(a)yahoo.com>

Hallo Karen,

Ich kann meine Familie zurueck zu Johann Diedrich
KNIGGE verfolgen das November 30, 1688 in Basse,
Hannover, Deutschland getragen wurde.  Er starb
Oktober 18, 1744 in Scharnhorst, Hannover,
Deutschland.

Sein Sohn was Johann Burchard KNIGGE, getragen Juni 25
1729 bei Scharnhorst.  Er verband Ilse Magdalena
NAGELS in 1759 bei Basse.

Ihr Sohn was Johann Heinrich KNIGGE, getragen Marz 3,
1760 bei Basse.  Er stard Mai 31, 1833 bei Suttorf. 
Er Verband Catharine Marie SEGELKE in 1790 bei
Suttorf.

Ihr Sohn war Johann Heinrich Friedrich KNIGGE,
getragen Februar 28, 1794 in Suttorf und gestorben
Juli 10, 1842 in Suttorf.  Er verband Catharine Marie
Dorothee HOGREFE in 1817 bei Basse.  Sie hatten 9
Kinder...4 kamen nach America.

Haben Sie diese Familie in Ihrer Datumakte?  Ich suche
Brueder und Schwestern vom ganzem oben genannten. 
Sind Sie mit dieser Familie in Verbindung stehend?

Danke fuer jede moegliche Hilfe.

Bester Respekt,
Carol Knigge
Richmond, Illinois USA  
--- Karen Kolp <K.Kolp(a)t-online.de> wrote:

> Hallo liebe Listenteilnehmer,
> 
> seit einiger Zeit lese ich schon in der Liste mit
> und jetzt möchte ich mich
> vorstellen.
> 
> Mein Name ist Karen Kolp und ich befasse mich seit
> knapp 3 Jahren mit der
> Erforschung der Vorfahren meiner Familie (Neumark
> und Schlesien) und bin
> jetzt
> bei der Linie meines Mannes(Brandenburg und
> Hannover) angelangt.
> 
> Glücklicher Weise hatte ich für den von mir
> hauptsächlich gesuchten Namen
> Meyer
> aus Dudenbostel, Wedemark einen Stammbaum als
> Anhaltspunkt vorliegen.
> Da aber die Daten z.T. fehlerhaft bzw. unvollständig
> waren, habe ich mich
> entschlossen, die Daten noch einmal genau zu
> überprüfen und zu
> vervollständigen.
> Dadurch kam eine Menge Datenmaterial zusammen, dass
> ich natürlich auch gerne
> weitergebe.
> 
> Da es sich hier um mehr als 1.500 Personennamen
> handelt, habe ich die Daten
> etwas knapper zusammengefasst.
> 
> 
> *Gemeinde Wedemark:*
> Abbensen,Bennemühlen,Bissendorf, Dudenbostel, Elze,
> Fuhrberg, Hellendorf,
> Ibsingen, Meitze, Negenborn, Oegenbostel, Plumhoff,
> Resse, Rodenbostel,
> Scherenbostel, Wennebostel, Wiechendorf
> 
> Beckmann, Beermannm, Behren, Biermann, Bihrmann,
> Blume, Bothmer, Brockmann,
> Busse, Brauckmann, Bruns, Busse,Dangers, Dedeke,
> Degender, Döpke, Eilers,
> Eickhoff, Engelke, Feddeler, Fortmöller, Frömling,
> Frederking, Frerking,
> Giesemann, Gleue, Gödecke, Görjes, Görjetz,Graes, 
> Gragers, Grauers, 
> Hachmeister, Hanebuth, Hapke, Hase, Haselmann,
> Hasen, Hasselbrink, Hecht,
> Heidorn, Hemme, Hoggrefen, Hogrefen, Holsten,
> Kasten, Kaufmann, Kaunen,
> Kehrbach, Kohnen, Küker, Lammers, Landers,
> Langehenje, Linneweh, Ludowig,
> Lumann, Martens, Meine, Meier, Mesenbrink, Meyer,
> Möhlen, Möller,
> Mußmann, Niemeyer, Ohlhorst, Paulmann, Plincken,
> Plinke, Plumhoff,
> Pralle, Rahlfs, Ralves, Rieckenberg, Riechers,
> Ridder, Rissen, Robberts,
> Rodenbostel, Rothermund, Rose, Schneehage, Schröder,
> Segelken,
> Segelkin, Segelking, Sindorf, Stille, Strasmann,
> Stünckel, Stuke,
> Theilmann, Thiele, Thielking, Thies, Thiesse, Timpe,
> Ülschen, Ulschen,
> Volbers, Volkmers, Volmers, Voltmers, Vortmüller,
> Wiedenhöfer, Wienhöfer,
> Wiesen, Willers, Wischmann,Wöhler, Zietz
> 
> 
> *Kreis Neustadt a. Rübenberge:*
> Amedorf, Basse, Bordenau, Brase, Esperke, Evensen,
> Helstorf, Ladeholz,
> Luttmersen, Mandelsloh, Mariensee, Metel,
> Niedernstöcken, Rodewald, 
> Scharrel, Suttorf, Vesbeck, Warmeloh            
>                          
> Backhaus, Bauermeister, Bartels, Bartling,
> Baumgarte, Bock, Bohm,
> Bostel, Bothmer, Brabant, Brauckmann,Bruns,
> Bütehorn, Burmester,
> Buschmann, Clausing, Constabel, Constabels,
> Dannenberg, Dedeke,
> Degener, Degenhard, Diekmann, Dierking, Dettmer,
> Dettmering,
> Drösemeier, Ehlers, Eickhoff, Evers, Feddeler,
> Feisken, Frederking,
> Frerking, Frömling, Gaers, Garberding, Gerberding,
> Gode,
> Görs, Graas, Grauers, Hachmeister, Hahne, Hahnen,
> Hanebuth,
> Hartjen, Hecht, Heidorn, Heims, Heine, Hemme, Heuer,
> Hochs, Höper,
> Höyer, Hoggrefen, Homann, Jürgens, Kehrbach,
> Klingemann, Knigge,
> Koch, Kohnen, Kuhls, Kreienberg, Krumwiede, Küker,
> Lammers,
> Langehenje, Langreder, Leiseberg, Leseberg,
> Lindhorst, Lindwedel,
> Linneweh,Lipitz, Ludowig, Lücke, Lürsen, Lüsenhop,
> Meier,
> Meimann, Meins, Mente, Menzer, Metterhausen, Meyer,
> Möller,
> Mohrhoff, Niemeier, Oelerking, Peters, Pfingsten,
> Plumhoff,
> Prüser, Rahlfs, Ralves, Reineke, Riechers,
> Rieckenberg, Ridder,
> Ringe, Rissen,Rodenbostel, Rose, Rothermund, Rust,
> Schardau,
> Scharnhorst, Schmuck, Schneehage,
> Schöneberg,Schrader, Schröder,
> Schünhoff, Schulte, Schulze, Sekelken,  Segelking,
> Sindorf,
> Sprengel, Steding, Stille,Stünkel, Stuke, Suren,
> Theilmann,
> Thielking, Thiesing, Thormann, Timme, Tolle,
> Ülschen, Vahrenkamp,
> Veesche, Vesche, Veske, Volbers, Volkmers, Weneken,
> Wiebe, Wöhler,
> Wolckenhauer 
> 
> 
> *Krs. Soltau-Fallingbostel:* 
>
Buchholz, Eickeloh, Eilvese, Essel, Gilten, Hope, Lindwedel,
> Norddrebber,
> Schwarmstedt  
>                          
> Bauermeister, Beuermeister, Bütehorn, Burmester,
> Brauckmann,
> Brockmann, Degener, Feddeler,
> Feine, Frederking,Frine,  Engehausen,
> Karstens, Koltsse, Lahens, Lindwedel, Lohens,
> Mesenbrink, Meyer,
> Narjes, Resman, Schneehage
> 
> Ich hoffe auf eine gute Zusammenarbeit!
> 
> Viele Grüsse
> 
> Karen Kolp      
> 
> 
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[HN] Glade in Leveste.

Date: 2004/10/25 01:51:05
From: F. Radstaat <f.radstaat(a)planet.nl>

Mein Urgroszvater ist am 11-11-1807 in Leveste, Hanover als Johann Heinrich oder als Johann Heinrich Friedrich Glade zur welt gekommen. Wehr kann mich helfen das ich moglich eine kopie von diese geburt aus dem Kirchenbuch bekommen. Dies ist meine frage am anfang. Moglich habe ich spater noch mehrere frage.
Herzliche grusze,
Free Radstaat.

Re: [HN] Bielefeld aus Gr. Freden, Braunschweig

Date: 2004/10/25 18:27:20
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Steve,

     Are you near a LDS (Mormon) center?  They have microfilm for Gross
Freden in the 1800's:

  Kirchenbuch, 1806-1874 Evangelische Kirche Groß Freden (Kr. Alfeld)

Also from Randau:

  Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1810-1874 Evangelische Kirche Randau (Kr. Jerichow I)
 
    You can order the film there and view the records that way.

Barbara




on 10/24/04 2:57 PM, sksmith at sksmith_nl(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> Looking for information of family Bielefeld from Gross Freden, Kreis Alfeld.
> Also related families of Grote from Alshausen, Gieseke, Randau.
> 
> Steve Smith
> sksmith_nl(a)hotmail.com
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[HN] otterstedt

Date: 2004/10/25 20:32:02
From: Ottypotty <Ottypotty(a)aol.com>

Dear All
Cant remember if I thanked you all for answering my Otterstedt queries.  Just 
to say thanks for doing so.  Any help is appreciated as leads are few and far 
between
Best wishes
Helen in Lancashire UK

Re: [HN] Glade in Leveste.

Date: 2004/10/25 21:46:49
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"F. Radstaat" <f.radstaat(a)planet.nl> schrieb:
> Mein Urgroszvater ist am 11-11-1807 in Leveste, Hanover als Johann Heinrich oder als Johann Heinrich Friedrich Glade zur welt gekommen. Wehr kann mich helfen das ich moglich eine kopie von diese geburt aus dem Kirchenbuch bekommen. Dies ist meine frage am anfang. Moglich habe ich spater noch mehrere frage.
> Herzliche grusze,
> Free Radstaat.

Hallo Free,

die Kirchenbücher der Hannoverschen Landeskirche, also auch von Leveste, liegen als Microfiches im Stadtkirchenbuchamt Hannover. Von dort kann man auch eine Kopie bekommen. Die Adresse ist:

Stadtkirchenkanzlei
- Kirchenbuchamt -
Postfach 57 40
30173 Hannover

Telefon: +49-511-9878-553
Fax: 	   +49-511-9878-660    
eMail:   Kirchenbuch.Staki.Hannover(a)evlka.de

Ich wünsche guten Erfolg.

Freundliche Grüße
Wilfried (Petersen)		


[HN] Re: [FamNord] Müller als Beruf

Date: 2004/10/26 19:29:04
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

<Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
>    
> Ich bin an allen Müllerdaten in Südniedersachsen-Nordhessen
> und Randgebeite ab 1900 rückwärts  interessiert, da sich
> bereits rund 2000 Personen mit Müller als Beruf in meiner
> Datensammlung befinden.
> 
 
Hallo Herr Freytag,

ich habe folgende Müller in meinen Unterlagen:


FISCHER, Jobst Arnd, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * 1708, + 1779

FISCHER, N.N. (sein Vater), Müller in Thüste, + vor 1737

GÖDEKEN, Hans Heinrich, Müller in Ockensen, * um 1659, + nach 1689

KNOLLE, Johann Christoph, Mühlenmeister in Deinsen, lebte 1772

POCKS, Joachim, Vorwerks-Müller in Lauenstein, * um 1679, + 1750

RANDOLF, Hans, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * um 1619, + nach 1689

RANDOLF, Heinrich, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * um 1655, + nach 1689

SANDER, Hans Jürg (Johann Jürgen), Müller in Ockensen, + nach 1734


Ich würde mich freuen, wenn Sie dazu noch weiterführende Angaben hätten, und bin natürlich auch gern bereit, Ihre Daten ggf. zu ergänzen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
aus der auch schönen Universitätsstadt Mainz

Wilfried Petersen







Re: [HN] Utermoehle - Utermollen - uth der Mollen - aus der Moln - Aus der Muehln - Ausdermuehlen - Austermuehle ???

Date: 2004/10/26 20:48:40
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)t-online.de>

Hans Austermuhle schrieb:
Hi

My family name is Austermuehle. Despite my branch of the family having been Dutch for 5 generations, I recently discovered that our earlier ancestors came from Northern Hessen, from the Liebenau, Ostheim, Hofgeismar area north of Kassel, not too far from Goettingen. The Utermoehlens come from the Goetingen area. My reasearch has indicated that Austermuehle evolved from Ausdermuehle, via Ausdermuehlen, Aus der Muehln, Aus der Moln, uth der Mollen and byt der Mollen. This led me to suspect that the Utermoehlens of the Goettingen area and Austermuehles of the Hofgeismar/Liebenau/Ostheim area have common roots (presumably somewhere beyond the Weser) and I am therefore looking for them. Is there anybody who has any information on this or could help me further?

I speak and read German but my written command of it is very week.

Thanks in advance!

Cheerio,

Hans H. Austermuehle
Costa Rica
Hallo Herr Austermuehle,
Ich komme ersat heute auf Ihre Anfrage zurück.
Ich habe zwei utermöhlen:
Christoph Utermöhlen * 1677 in Dramfeld, oo 6.1.1697 in Dramfeld mit Margarete Bornemann, + nach 6.1.1697

Heinrich Christoff Utermöhle * um 1705, 00 1-12-1729 in Sieboldshausen mit Anna Catharina Hinterrhür

Wenn diese zu den Ihrigen passen, lassen Sie es mich wissen, ich habe zu den Frrauen noch weitere Daten zu deren Eltern usw.

Beste Grüsse nach Costa Rica
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn

--
Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn, Hegelstrasse 26, 73431 Aalen


[HN] Buch ueber Braunschweiger Kopfsteuerbeschreibungen

Date: 2004/10/26 22:06:07
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[For english see below!]
Hallo zusammen!

Vielleicht interessiert den ein oder anderen das neu erschienene Buch
aus dem folgenden Zeitungsartikel:

- Kopfsteuerbeschreibungen von 1672 und 1687 in Buchform -

Steuerakten lieferten den Stoff für eine spannende Lektüre - spannend
zumindest für geschichtsinteressierte Menschen. Mit den
"Kopfsteuerbeschreibungen der Stadt Braunschweig von 1672 und 1687"
ist ein Schatz aus dem Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel gehoben und in
lesbarer Form als Buch der Öffentlichkeit zugänglich gemacht worden.

Heinrich Medfind ist, wie er selbst sagt, ein Laie, aber einer mit
Fachwissen und Durchhaltevermögen. Akribisch hat er die alten
hangeschriebenen Stuerlisten entziffert. [...]
5000 Steuereinträge hat Medefind übertragen und auf 362 Buchseiten
versammelt. Fehler durfte er sich nicht erlabuen, denn das Buch soll
eine Fundgrube für alle sein, die ihren Familienstammbaum
vervollständigen und weit zurück in die Geschichte verfolgen möchten. 

Herausgeber Dr. Ernst Schubert, Vorsitzender der historischen
Kommission für Niedersachsen und Bremen ist sich sicher, dass von den
übertragenen Kopfsteuerbeschreibungen noch Generationen zehren werden.

"Die Kopfsteuerbeschreibungen der Stadt Braunschweig von 1672 & 1687"
Herausgeber: Historische Gesellschaft für Niedersachsen und Bremen
ISBN: 3-7752-6021-8
Preis: 29 €
erhältlich im Buchhandel

Viele Grüße

Jürgen
------------------- rough English summary: ----------------
A new book has been published that contain transcribed tax lists of
the years from Braunschweig (Brunswik) of the years 1672 and 1687. The
book contains about 5000 entries from those tax lists on 362 pages.

Book name: "Die Kopfsteuerbeschreibungen der Stadt Braunschweig von
1672 und 1687"
published by "Historische Gesellschaft für Niedersachsen und Bremen"
available in German book shops for about 29 €
ISBN: 3-7752-6021-8

Kind regards, Juergen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38104 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany



[HN] HINTE surname project.

Date: 2004/10/27 01:38:42
From: Bill Hinte <whinte(a)froggy.com.au>

Hi Listers.
               I have attempted every thing I know to obtain Printed
marriage lists of Jembke. I am reliably informed that such lists do exist.
              Can anyone provide the answer of where I can obtain these
lists?
               Secondly, any data on the HINTE surname would be greatly
appreciated.

        Kindest regards Bill HINTE


Re: [HN] Re: [FamNord] Müller als Beruf

Date: 2004/10/27 10:15:19
From: Heinrich Munk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Herr Freytag,suchen Sie auch Müller aus Schaumburg-Lipp? Alles Gute Heinrich
"Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> >    
> > Ich bin an allen Müllerdaten in Südniedersachsen-Nordhessen
> > und Randgebeite ab 1900 rückwärts  interessiert, da sich
> > bereits rund 2000 Personen mit Müller als Beruf in meiner
> > Datensammlung befinden.
> > 
>  
> Hallo Herr Freytag,
> 
> ich habe folgende Müller in meinen Unterlagen:
> 
> 
> FISCHER, Jobst Arnd, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * 1708, + 1779
> 
> FISCHER, N.N. (sein Vater), Müller in Thüste, + vor 1737
> 
> GÖDEKEN, Hans Heinrich, Müller in Ockensen, * um 1659, + nach 1689
> 
> KNOLLE, Johann Christoph, Mühlenmeister in Deinsen, lebte 1772
> 
> POCKS, Joachim, Vorwerks-Müller in Lauenstein, * um 1679, + 1750
> 
> RANDOLF, Hans, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * um 1619, + nach 1689
> 
> RANDOLF, Heinrich, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * um 1655, + nach 1689
> 
> SANDER, Hans Jürg (Johann Jürgen), Müller in Ockensen, + nach 1734
> 
> 
> Ich würde mich freuen, wenn Sie dazu noch weiterführende Angaben hätten, und bin natürlich auch gern bereit, Ihre Daten ggf. zu ergänzen.
> 
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> aus der auch schönen Universitätsstadt Mainz
> 
> Wilfried Petersen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung - Neustadt, Soltau-Fallingbostel, Wedemark

Date: 2004/10/27 11:09:34
From: LindaMac10 <LindaMac10(a)aol.com>

My ancestors were Hogrefen/Hargrafen who may have been born near Settrup,  
Hanover.  They were:  Frederick (born April 11, 1808), Bernard ( born  about 
1812), Mary Ann (born about 1815), Catharine (born May 3, 1817).   They 
immigrated to the USA in the 1830's.
 
Are they related to your ancestors?
 
Linda

[HN] HARBURG: Niehof aus Wittenburg, Renziehausen aus Eisdorf

Date: 2004/10/27 15:06:14
From: Christine Marr Mast <marrmast(a)freesurf.ch>

Liebe Listies!

am 2.8.1868 wird in HARBURG meine Uroma Charlotte Catherine Wilhelmine NIEHOFgeboren
Sie ist die  Tochter des 
Bürger und Bahnhofsarbeiters
Heinrich Ludwig NIEHOFgeb. am 4.Feb.1830in Wittenburg (bei Eldagsen südl. von Hannover)
und dessen Ehefrau (Heirat 19.4.1868 in Harburg)
Johanne Louise Dorothea RENZIEHAUSEN geb. am 14.11.1839 in Eisdorf (wahrscheinlich im Harz bei Osterode)
verst.3.12.1913 in Harburg

Eltern des Heinrich Ludwig Niehof waren: 
Conrad NIEHOF, Beibauer in Wittenburg und dessen Ehefrau Hanne geb. SCHÜNEMANN (Heirats-Zustimmungserklärung der Mutter Witwe Hanna Niehof,  ist ausgestellt vom Pastor zu Wülfinghausen )

Eltern der Johanne Louise Dorothea RENZIEHAUSEN waren: 
Andreas Friedrich RENZIEHAUSEN Handarbeiter in Eisdorf, und dessen Ehefrau 
Engel (?) Christine Dorothea Luise , geb. GIESECKE

Damit erschöpfen sich die Angaben über meiner Uromas Eltern im Harburger KB. Es ist anzunehmen, dass Niehof alleine vor der Heirat zugezogen ist ( 1868 ) . 
Da Die Mutter RENZIEHAUSEN in Harburg verstorben ist, und auch weitere Familienmitglieder als Taufpaten in Harburg erwähnt sind, sind die RENZIHNAUSENS wahrscheinlich als gesammte Familie zugezogen.

Meine Frage: Hat jemand Anschluss an die genannten Familien? Oder einen guten Tipp für die Weitersuche in den Ursprungsgemeinden? Und last not least, es gibt bei den Mormonen Volkszählungen für Harburg, hat jemand diese schon mal eingesehen und kann mir von seinen Erfahrungen berichten?

Es dankt ganz herzliche Eure Christine aus der Schweiz




[HN] Christian Peters from Bremervorde, Hanover

Date: 2004/10/27 16:54:35
From: patricel <patricel(a)comcast.net>

I'm looking for information on my great-great-grandfather Christian Peters. The information I have says he was born September 4, 1850 and came from Bremervorde to the USA in 1870 on the ship Industry. I assume he left from Bremen or Hamburg.

I'm interested in family information: his parents, siblings, etc. I have some of his descendant information in the US if anyone would like it.

Thank you in advance!

Patrice

Re: [HN] Christian Peters from Bremervorde, Hanover

Date: 2004/10/27 18:57:08
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>

Hello Patrice,
    
       Do you live near a LDS  (Mormon) center? They have the church records
for Bremervörde that you can order and view:

Kirchenbuch, 1715-1875 Evangelische Kirche Bremervörde (KrSt. Bremervörde)

    There is also some emigration information there as well.
     www.familysearch.org

Barbara


on 10/27/04 8:53 AM, patricel(a)comcast.net at patricel(a)comcast.net wrote:

> I'm looking for information on my great-great-grandfather Christian Peters.
> The information I have says he was born September 4, 1850 and came from
> Bremervorde to the USA in 1870 on the ship Industry. I assume he left from
> Bremen or Hamburg.
> 
> I'm interested in family information: his parents, siblings, etc. I have some
> of his descendant information in the US if anyone would like it.
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> Patrice
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[HN] BÖHNE/BAHNE/BANEY/BANRY/BARNEY

Date: 2004/10/27 19:30:48
From: MARSHA K BANEY <lobo1995(a)msn.com>

Hello All,

I am asking for help concerning German records about my gr. grandfather, LEWIS A. BANEY--original spelling BÖHNE based on an 1855 letter to his Aunt SELINA (BEARD) BÖHNE CRAWFORD. He signed that letter as Lewis BAHNE or BOHNE--can't make out the vowel. 

His Aunt Selina BOHNE was married to Lewis' uncle, Henri Herman BÖHNE, (b. 1806  d. 1847) who is buried in Cass Co., Illinois. Henry Herman came to the states in October of 1834-Bremen to New York. HENRY HERMAN BÖHNE was born in Ostercappeln . (Henry Herman was first married to a FRANCES JUDSON) I believe my gr. grandfather was listed as a 10 year old on that same ship--as LOUIS BÖHNE--there were a total of 6 BÖHNE family members on board.  I am searching for any information about my gr. grandfather--birth, immigration, church, land--anything.  I am trying to determine who his parents were--family lore is that he was orphaned right before he came to the states or right after.

I have found my gr. grandfather on family trees at genealogy sites, but the individuals don't respond to my requests for help. Maybe he had a colorful past or was married more than once. (On one tree his file is listed as open only to the person who entered the information??) He lived near Nauvoo, Illinois. Lewis married my gr. grandmother, FANNIE E. SHERRILL in April 28, 1869.  There is most likely a connection to Ohio, Iowa, New York, Wisconsin, and Michigan.

In family wills BÖHNE, BOEHNE, AND BÖEHNE are used in the same document simultaneously. It also appears that after studying German names for two years, the "m" and the "n" were often confused in the USA on naturalization records, and other records.

To make it even harder I have found family members with these various spellings on indexed state records, census information indexed by others and so forth (I'm sure I have forgotten some):  BANRY/BAHNE/BAHNA/BOHNA/BAHUE/BAHUS/BOHUS/BOEHNER/BOHNER/BARNEY/BARRY/BAINEY

In the states, Lewis listed both BADEN and HANOVER as his place of residence.  I believe with help from others that Baden (I thought originally the big Baden) really meant a small town that is now part of ACHIM. With all that said--can someone help me determine the following:

What are all of the places to look for records concerning his birth, immigration, who his parents were and any other records? What other lists should I be on?  Any help is greatly appreciated.  
Please feel free to e-mail directly with anything!

Marsha Baney (Böhne)
lobo1995(a)msn.com<mailto:lobo1995(a)msn.com> 

Re: Re: [HN] Re: [FamNord] Müller als Beruf

Date: 2004/10/27 19:46:52
From: Reinhard . Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Nur südlich Hannover vor 1900



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Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag

-----Original Message-----
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:14:00 +0200
> Subject: Re: [HN] Re: [FamNord] Müller als Beruf
> From: HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de (Heinrich Munk)
> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>

> Hallo Herr Freytag,suchen Sie auch Müller aus
Schaumburg-Lipp? Alles
> Gute Heinrich "Wilfried Petersen"
<Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
> schrieb:
> 
> > <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> > > 
> > > Ich bin an allen Müllerdaten in
Südniedersachsen-Nordhessen
> > > und Randgebeite ab 1900 rückwärts  interessiert, da
sich
> > > bereits rund 2000 Personen mit Müller als Beruf in
meiner
> > > Datensammlung befinden.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hallo Herr Freytag,
> > 
> > ich habe folgende Müller in meinen Unterlagen:
> > 
> > 
> > FISCHER, Jobst Arnd, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * 1708, +
1779
> > 
> > FISCHER, N.N. (sein Vater), Müller in Thüste, + vor 1737
> > 
> > GÖDEKEN, Hans Heinrich, Müller in Ockensen, * um 1659, +
nach 1689 
> > KNOLLE, Johann Christoph, Mühlenmeister in Deinsen,
lebte 1772 
> > POCKS, Joachim, Vorwerks-Müller in Lauenstein, * um
1679, + 1750 
> > RANDOLF, Hans, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * um 1619, +
nach 1689 
> > RANDOLF, Heinrich, Mittel-Müller in Thüste, * um 1655, +
nach 1689 
> > SANDER, Hans Jürg (Johann Jürgen), Müller in Ockensen, +
nach 1734 
> > 
> > Ich würde mich freuen, wenn Sie dazu noch weiterführende
Angaben
> > hätten, und bin natürlich auch gern bereit, Ihre Daten
ggf. zu
> > ergänzen.
> > 
> > Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> > aus der auch schönen Universitätsstadt Mainz
> > 
> > Wilfried Petersen
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > 
> > 
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[HN] SUCHE Müller als Beruf südl. Hannover

Date: 2004/10/27 19:52:23
From: Reinhard . Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

 > Ich bin an allen Müllerdaten in
Südniedersachsen-Nordhessen
> > und Randgebeite ab 1900 rückwärts  interessiert, da sich
> > bereits rund 2000 Personen mit Müller als Beruf in
meiner
> > Datensammlung befinden.

Gebe gern Auskunft
 
Schöne Grüsse aus unserer
Universitätsstadt Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag





RE: [HN] Christian Peters from Bremervorde, Hanover

Date: 2004/10/28 02:52:46
From: Patrice <patricel(a)comcast.net>

Hi Barbara,

Yes I'm waiting for the microfilm to arrive. I just wondered if anyone
had any information. 

Thanks

Patrice


-----Original Message-----
From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of R&B Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:56 AM
To: Hannover-L
Subject: Re: [HN] Christian Peters from Bremervorde, Hanover

Hello Patrice,
    
       Do you live near a LDS  (Mormon) center? They have the church
records
for Bremervörde that you can order and view:

Kirchenbuch, 1715-1875 Evangelische Kirche Bremervörde (KrSt.
Bremervörde)

    There is also some emigration information there as well.
     www.familysearch.org

Barbara


on 10/27/04 8:53 AM, patricel(a)comcast.net at patricel(a)comcast.net wrote:

> I'm looking for information on my great-great-grandfather Christian
Peters.
> The information I have says he was born September 4, 1850 and came
from
> Bremervorde to the USA in 1870 on the ship Industry. I assume he left
from
> Bremen or Hamburg.
> 
> I'm interested in family information: his parents, siblings, etc. I
have some
> of his descendant information in the US if anyone would like it.
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> Patrice
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Aw: [HN] Christian Peters from Bremervorde, Hanover

Date: 2004/10/28 09:07:47
From: g . bassen <g.bassen(a)arcor.de>

Hello Patrice, 
I found in the Kirchspiel Selsingen the following:  

PETER, Hinrich Christian, * 04,09,1850 in Selsingen, 
father:  Johann Hinrich Peter, Hslg and carpenter in Selsingen
mother:  Anna Elizabeth born Diercks 

I thinks that it is your looked for ancestor.  If I am to investigate still more, announce you.  

Many greetings   Guenter
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hallo Patrice,

Ich habe im Kirchspiel Selsingen folgendes gefunden:

PETERS, Hinrich Christian, * 04.09.1850 in Selsingen, 
Vater: Johann Hinrich Peters, Hslg u. Tischler in Selsingen
Mutter: M Anna Elisabeth geborene Diercks

Ich denke, dass es dein gesuchter Vorfahr ist. Wenn ich noch mehr recherchieren soll, melde dich.

Viele Grüße    Günter
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Nachricht ----
Von:     patricel(a)comcast.net
An:      hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Datum:   27.10.2004 16:53
Betreff: [HN] Christian Peters from Bremervorde, Hanover

> I'm looking for information on my great-great-grandfather Christian Peters.
> The information I have says he was born September 4, 1850 and came from
> Bremervorde to the USA in 1870 on the ship Industry. I assume he left from
> Bremen or Hamburg.
> 
> I'm interested in family information: his parents, siblings, etc. I have
> some of his descendant information in the US if anyone would like it.
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> Patrice
> _______________________________________________
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[HN] Zufafu.WEIGEL

Date: 2004/10/28 15:31:57
From: Klaus Schmidt <SchmidtKl(a)gmx.de>

Hallo liebe Mitforschende,
habe einige Daten von der Fam. WEIGEL oo FRANKE aus Hamburg, beginnend 1812 - 1936.
Die Daten sind alle durch Urkunden gesichert.
Bei interesse bitte die privat Mail benutzen.: SchmidtKl(a)gmx.de

Weiterhin viele Forschungserfolge wünscht euch

Klaus (Schmidt)

[HN] [FamNord] Müller als Beruf (Wilfried Petersen)

Date: 2004/10/28 20:57:10
From: Nadine Zinram <nadine(a)azkagee.de>

Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
>    
> Ich bin an allen Müllerdaten in Südniedersachsen-Nordhessen
> und Randgebeite ab 1900 rückwärts  interessiert, da sich
> bereits rund 2000 Personen mit Müller als Beruf in meiner
> Datensammlung befinden.

Hallo Herr Freytag,

gibt es in Ihrer Liste auch einen Müller namens Ernst Sinram, auch "Der alte Müller vom Wiedingshof" genannt wurde? Er müsste um ca. 1700 gelebt haben und mit einer Maria Margaretha verheiratet gewesen sein. Er ist der erste in meiner Zinram/Sinram Linie, den ich ausfindig machen konnte. Es wäre schön, mehr über ihn zu wissen, vielleicht auch die Linie weiter zurück zu verfolgen. Vielleicht ist er ja in Ihren Unterlagen zu finden.

Viele Grüße aus Mainz,

Nadine Zinram

[HN] Link zu Familiennamen-Herkunft

Date: 2004/10/29 10:35:12
From: S + P Pauling <2115-179(a)onlinehome.de>

Mit den besten Grüssen zum Wochenende hier wieder der Link zur
Familiennamen-Serie in der "Welt":

http://www.welt.de/data/2004/10/29/352623.html

Jürgen Pohlmann hat auf der CompGen-Liste angeboten, die gesammelten Artikel
als ZIP-Datei (248 KB) oder alle als Linkübersicht im HTML-Format auf
Anforderung zu senden. Bitte  DIREKT  bei Jürgen Pohlmann über Privat-Mail
(!) und nicht über Liste:

mailto:pohlmann.genealogy(a)web.de


Susanna + Peter (Pauling)   D-70794 Filderstadt   Hindenburgstr. 22  Tel.
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E-Mail:  susanna(a)pauling-sp.de   und   peter(a)pauling-sp.de
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[HN] Müller SINRAM

Date: 2004/10/29 11:32:42
From: Reinhard . Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Ich habe Ihnen schon einmal zu SINRAM geschrieben.

Müller als Beruf: SINDERAM 1689 in Markoldendorf


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-----Original Message-----
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 21:03:23 +0200
> Subject: [HN] [FamNord] Müller als Beruf (Wilfried
Petersen)
> From: "Nadine Zinram" <nadine(a)azkagee.de>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>

> Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> > 
> > Ich bin an allen Müllerdaten in
Südniedersachsen-Nordhessen
> > und Randgebeite ab 1900 rückwärts  interessiert, da sich
> > bereits rund 2000 Personen mit Müller als Beruf in
meiner
> > Datensammlung befinden.
> 
> Hallo Herr Freytag,
> 
> gibt es in Ihrer Liste auch einen Müller namens Ernst
Sinram, auch
> "Der alte Müller vom Wiedingshof" genannt wurde? Er müsste
um ca. 1700
> gelebt haben und mit einer Maria Margaretha verheiratet
gewesen sein.
> Er ist der erste in meiner Zinram/Sinram Linie, den ich
ausfindig
> machen konnte. Es wäre schön, mehr über ihn zu wissen,
vielleicht auch
> die Linie weiter zurück zu verfolgen. Vielleicht ist er ja
in Ihren
> Unterlagen zu finden.
> 
> Viele Grüße aus Mainz,
> 
> Nadine Zinram
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[HN] Komische Geschichte...

Date: 2004/10/29 21:01:55
From: Thomas Semken <thomassemken(a)alice-dsl.de>

Hallo.
Ich bin ein Semken ( Geb. in Osterholz Scharmbeck ) und wundere mich das der Name Semken so gefragt ist.
Sollte mir da jemand ein Grund für nennen können wäre ich sehr dankbar.
Gruß :
   Thomas Semken , Hamburg.

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Re: [HN] Müller SINRAM

Date: 2004/10/30 10:13:27
From: Ursula Schlotz-Winkel <Ursula.Schlotz(a)web.de>

Hallo Herr Freytag,

im April d. J. hatte ich (aus dieser Linie stammend) in hiesiger Liste die Frage nach der Müller-Familie ZINRAM gestellt, nicht Nadine. Durch ein Versehen entging mir Ihre damalige Antwort total, habe sie auf Ihren Hinweis hin erst jetzt durch Recherche im Archiv entdeckt. Möchte mich hiermit für dieses Versehen entschuldigen und mich herzlich für diese Information bedanken, der ich in der kommenden Woche sofort nachgehen werde (suche schon jahrzehnte und bin ganz gespannt).

Ein schönes Wochenende wünscht Ihnen

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[HN] Einbürgerung von westf. Katholiken im S tift Hildesheim (VON BRABECK, NOBEL)

Date: 2004/10/30 11:12:21
From: Nob2cGeneal3K79F <Nob2cGeneal3K79F(a)aol.com>

Sehr geehrte Forscherfreunde,  
als neues Mitglied dieser Liste  erbitte ich Hilfe und Unterstützung!

Am 24.11.1733 heiratete in Groß  Rhüden, Süd-Niedersachsen, mein altvorderer  
Großvater Joes Henricus  [Hennig] NOBEL, katholischer Konfession, Catharina  
Margaretha PAPEN.  
Joes Henricus NOBEL verstarb im August 1746 außerhalb von  Groß Rhüden.  
Nähere Angaben über Todestag und -ort sind dem Kirchenbuch nicht zu   
entnehmen.

Da zur genannten Zeit der Name Nobel  in  Süd-Niedersachsen nicht 
nachzuweisen 
ist, vermute ich,  dass Genannter  aus einer anderen Region in Groß Rhüden 
zugewandert  ist.
Nachdem  ich mich bisher schon seit Jahren vergeblich bemühe, Herkunfts-  und 
 
Sterbe-/Bestattungsort festzustellen, gehe ich nun folgender Hypothese   nach:

Die von Brabeck unterhielten zur genannten Zeit, also 1730-1746  zahlreiche  
Unternehmungen in der Region Hildesheim, insbesondere in  unmittelbarer 
Region  
von Groß Rhüden. So hatte Drost Johann Arnold VON  BRABECK um 1700 in seinem  
Amt Liebenburg nach Rohstoffen suchen  lassen, und 1725 begann man bei  
Newallmoden mit dem Abbau von  Eisenstein. 1726 folgten in Bornum die ersten 
Bauten 
und 1727 gelang der ersten Ofenabstich.
Darüber hinaus hatten die  VON BRABECK in der genannten Region zahlreiche  
landwirtschaftliche  Betriebe, u.a. das bekannte Gut Söder.

Die gesamten Umstände,  insbesondere die Rekatholisierungsbestrebungen  der 
VON BRABECK im  Stift Hildesheim, lassen nun vermuten, dass  mein 
katholischer 
Ahnherr  mit Unterstützung bzw. Hilfe der VON  BRABECK Beschäftigung in deren 
 
Unternehmungen der Region Groß Rhüden bei  Hildesheim gefunden haben  kann. 
Aufgrund der zu dieser Zeit in genannter  Region noch  herrschenden 
Leibeigenschaft 
konnte mein Altvorderer auch nur   außerhalb von Groß Rhüden Beschäftigung 
finden.

Zu meiner  Überraschung stelle ich nun fest, dass die Namen NOBEL und PAPE 
noch heute  in Letmathe vorkommen. 

Meine Fragen:
1. Ist bekannt, dass im Rahmen der Rekatholisierung  zur genannten Zeit 
Katholiken aus dem westfälischen Raum in der Region  des Stiftes Hildesheim 
angesiedelt wurden? 
2. Welche Rolle spielten  hierbei die aus Letmathe stammenden VON  BRABECK?
Da die Namen  NOBEL/PAPE heute noch in Letmathe  vorkommen:
Wo und aus welcher Zeit  befinden sich die kath. Kirchenbücher, resp. 
Abschriften, 
Microfiches,  Familien-/Ortssippenbücher etc., von  Letmathe?
3. Sind evtl.  Forscherfreunden die o.g. Namen NOBEL (auch NOBLE) und PAPE  
im  
Rahmen dieser Aus- bzw. Einwanderung bekannt?
4. Wo existieren evtl.  Urkunden, Listen,  Verzeichnisse etc., die näheren 
Aufschluss  geben?

Für darüber hinausgehende sachdienlichen Hinweise wäre ich Ihnen  sehr zu  
Dank verbunden! Entstehende Kosten erstatte ich  gern!

Mit  freundlichen Grüßen aus Wiesbaden
Hermann NOBEL

P.S.:  Weitere  Daten der Genealogie Nobel sind über meine nachstehende 
Homepage  unter  dem Button  "Vater-Ahnen" einzusehen!

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[HN] Johan Livinis Sommerladt

Date: 2004/10/30 16:12:33
From: Frans de Moet <f.demoet(a)chello.nl>

Guten Tag,

Ich bin auf der suche nach der Herkunft von Johan Livinus Sommerladt. Er heiratete am 25-11-1759 in Den Haag.
Es wurde im Heiratsurkunde geschrieben er war Soldat aus Hannover. Natürlich kann seine Name in Holland falsch
niedergeschrieben sein.

Hat jemand vielleicht Informationen über seine herkunft (Daten, Eltern usw)

Herzlichen Dank im voraus,

Frans de Moet, Holland




Home Page op www.demoet.tk
Altijd op zoek naar De Moe(d)(t)

Re: [HN] STEINLAH - Flemme

Date: 2004/10/30 22:42:14
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hello Barbara,
Thank you very much for deciphering the web page.  Haverlah does appear to
have taken over the Church records of Steinlah.
I've got another question I'm afraid:
From surfing the web; the civil parish seems to be Wolfenbuttel, but
familysearch.org mentions Kr Goslar in the same sentence as Haverlah - what
does 'KR Goslar' mean? - Is it the diocese or the civil parish? :-

Ev. Church books of the former country Braunschweig von Beginn to 1814 are
in public records of Lower Saxony Wolfenbuettel also for the period 1815 -
1875 (except Holzminden). Microfilmings of the church books of the district
Goslar can be seen in nationalchurch archives in Wolfenbuettel.

Topic Germany, Preußen, Hannover, Haverlah - Church records
Titles Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1874  Evangelische Kirche Haverlah (Kr.
Goslar)
Familysearch: family history library
Title: Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1853-1874
Authors: Evangelische Kirche Haverlah (Kr. Goslar) (Main Author)

Listers often mention they are researching Goslar, which I assumed was a
town.

Much obliged,
Rena
==
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Rena,
   Congratulations!  I know how long and hard you have looked for the
Flemme birthplace!
   The LDS have church records for Haverlah 1853-1874.  Wouldn't that show
his birth and parents?
  Would this help?  From a google search:
20. Haverlah, pc. Servatius
Kirchstr. 11, 38275 Haverlah
Tel 05341/33522, fax 05341/338610
E-Mail: ev.Kirche.Haverlah(a)t online.de
in addition Haverlah Steinlah, pc. Katharinen
Good luck,
Barbara

on 10/24/04 2:20 AM, Rena MCCARTHY at Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk wrote:
Hallo Listers,
I know you will be pleased for me when I say I have found an earlier
generation relative who knows where my gt grandfather Hermann FLEMME was
born, but the corroborating document has not yet been found.>
HERMANN FLEMME was born 1854-55 in STEINLAH.>
Unfortunately the parish registers for Steinlah on familysearch.org end
1815.  I have surfed Google and find this town is near SALZGITTER.  I
couldn't decipher the information but it seems to me that the district
responsible for Steinlah is now HAVERLAH.>
Could someone who understands German please do a Google and find the civil
parish and the church parish and where I can obtain his birth record?>
Rena in England.


[HN] Welehelm Christopher Friederick Von Finteln

Date: 2004/10/31 13:07:15
From: Laurie Hanson <hanno(a)melbpc.org.au>

Welehelm Von Finteln came to Australia as a Remittance Passenger on or about 1850. His parent were Peter Von Finteln and Katherine Maria Behman. They are said to have resided in Schustachen Hanover.  Any information would be appreciated.
Regards
Laurie Hanson.

[HN] Johan Livinis Sommerladt

Date: 2004/10/31 16:39:33
From: Rena MCCARTHY <Rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>

Hello Frans,
I have looked on the Hannover soldier records which are kept in England and unfortunately there is no mention of the name SOMMERLADT. The only names which are recorded are 1 x Sommerlad and 1 x Sommerlat (both in the wrong time-span). These two spellings are also the only names that appear on rat de. and at least one person is researching the same time-span as you.
http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/germany/index.html
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http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.asp
Naturalisation Papers:
Sommerlat, John Theodore, from Nassau (Hochst). Certificate 2481 issued 30 June 1857.1857

Naturalisation Papers:
Sommerlad, John, from the state of Prussia. Certificate 6240 issued 2 July 1869.1869
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Good luck,
Rena in England
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From: "Frans de Moet" f.demoet(a)chello.nl

Guten Tag,
Ich bin auf der suche nach der Herkunft von Johan Livinus Sommerladt. Er heiratete am 25-11-1759 in Den Haag. Es wurde im Heiratsurkunde geschrieben er war Soldat aus Hannover. Natürlich kann seine Name in Holland falsch
niedergeschrieben sein.
Hat jemand vielleicht Informationen über seine herkunft (Daten, Eltern usw)
Herzlichen Dank im voraus,
Frans de Moet, Holland
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