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Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA

Date: 2003/05/01 00:30:52
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello AGAIN, 
     I forgot to tell you that there are many Przybilla names in the
Minnesota phone directory.  I have found that there is much more to be found
with the name ending in an "a".  Check here for Minnesota:

    http://www.qwestdex.com/servlet/ActionServlet?pid=rsearch&from=/

Also, you may want to look in the Minnesota archives, particulary Morrison
County.  There are many things to search through:  census, cemeteries, etc.
That address is: 
   http://www.rootsweb.com/~mngenweb/

These are only suggestions, but since so many Przybillas live in Minnesota
now, that could be where your ancestor settled.

Barbara

  



[HN] Theodor Braun aus Ham City

Date: 2003/05/01 00:33:55
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Gary E.Meyer,

ich hatte versprochen bei meinem nächsten Besuch der Bibliothek der Genealogi- 
schen Gesellschaft Hamburg, Alstertwiete 11 zu sehen, was ich für Sie in Sachen 
Theodor Braun tun kann. Nun alzu erfolgreich war ich dabei noch nicht, aber das 
wenige will ich mitteilen.

Es existieren zahlreiche Ahnenlisten und Stammtafeln, die den Namen Braun bein- 
halten, jedoch ist keine dieser Arbeiten direkt für eine Familie Braun erstellt, 
d.h. es kommen nur Einheiraten und möglicherweise Braun'sche Familiendaten in 
anderen Familien vor. Sämtliche dieser Listen durchzusehen wird wohl ca 2,5 Stun- 
den erfordern, da diese Listen von privaten Einlieferern stammen und alle  nach 
unterschiedlichen eigenen Vorstellungen gestaltet wurden, deshalb nicht leicht 
die gewünschten Informationen preisgeben. Ich habe etwa 1/3 durchsehen können, 
bin aber leider auf keine vielversprechende Spur gestoßen.

Ich habe dann die dort vorhandenen Hamburger Adressbücher vorgenommen und gebe 
den einzigen Eintrag mit einem "T." wieder:

"1852: Braun, G.W.T.C. Schuhmacher, HAM, an der Landstr. no.26"

derselbe Eintrag findet sich noch 1854. Hierzu ist zu erläutern, dass es in 
Hamburg einen Stadtteil mit dem Namen "Hamm" gibt, dieser liegt östlich von der 
City auf dem Wege nach Bergedorf und hat auch eine eigene Kirche und Gemeinde.
1824 lag dieser Ortsteil wohl noch außerhalb der Stadt. Es ist deshalb anzu- 
nehmen, dass eigene Kirchenbücher geführt wurden. Für diese zeitlichen Zugehö- 
rigkeitsdetails bin ich im Augenblick allerdings auch überfragt.

In den Addressbüchern von 1822 und 1824 finden sich für Hamburg die folgenden 
Braun:

1822: Braun, Aug.Sam. div.Manufacturwaaren, B.Gro, Düsternstr. 206 (auch 1824)
1822: Braun, Heinr. Phil. Stuhlmachermstr.,1ste Elbstr. no.60 (auch 1824)
1822: Braun, Joh. Adam, Hökerey, St.Georg, Mittelstr. no. 336 (auch 1824)
1822: Braun, Joh. ant. Niedernstr. no.102 J.8(auch 1824)
1822: M.J.Tuch u, manufacturw. gr. Burstah no.49
neu in:
1824: Braun, Johs., Mauermstr., Hamb. Berg, Silbersackstr. no. 358 

des weiteren sind 1824 drei Namensträger "Braune" in Hamburg

In den Trauregistern von St. Michaelis in der Registerfassung aus dem Degener- 
Verlag für die Zeit bis 1750 sind 3 Eheschließungen verzeichnet, die ich mittei- 
len kann, wenn die andere Spur soweit zurückführt.





Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA

Date: 2003/05/01 00:34:09
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Juergen E.W.Meyer schrieb:
> Hi, specially readers in the USA,
> around 1884 my grgrfather, Johann Wilhelm Przybille, protestant, born
>  Smortawe, 
> parish Scheidelwitz, Schlesien (Silesia) in 1846,  left for the USA leaving
>  his 

You will find some other bearers of the name today in 32758 Detmold, Germany
They are written PRYZBILA. If it doesn´t work getting in contact by going over 
www.telephonbuch.de, ask me for the address.       Hans Peter Albers 



[HN] Friederici-Forschung

Date: 2003/05/01 00:34:10
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Lieber Georg Friederici,

ich hätte nicht gedacht, dass es zeitlich noch gelingt, aber ich habe das Kir- 
chenbuch "Schloß" Hannover in der Bearbeitung Funke noch einsehen können.

es folgt also die Liste der dortigen Einträge. Den vollständigen bibliographi- 
schen Titel habe nicht notiert, aber der liegt ja schon vor:

" ...
- 1209 FRIEDERICI, Johann Steffen Friedrich, holländischer Bäcker",
       oo 5.3.1702 Anna Hedwig TIELEBARN, * Bruchhausen 
       1. Margaretha Dorothea, gt. HN 27.10.1704

- 1210 FRIDERICI, Thomas, Schreib- und Rechenmeister in HN,
       oo 12.7.1707 Maria WEDEKIND.
       1. Thomas Carl, gt. HN 1.8.1711

- 1211 FRIDERICI, Johann Christoph, * Tempelbutg/Pommern 25.6.1730, + Hamburg    
       12.8.1777 , pastor: (1760) Magdeburg-Neustadt, 1768 Göttingen/Jacobi, 1770 
       Generalsuperintendent Clausthal, 1775 Hauptpastor Hamburg /Petri, (E: Jo- 
       hann Christian F., oo Sophie Elisabeth v. Sommerfeld)
       oo I. 1.10.1760 Johanne Louise UBBELOHDE, * Magdeburg-eustadt, (E: Johann 
       Albrecht U., * Bielefeld 1697, bg. Magdeburg-Neustadt 22.1.1765, Hofrat   
       und Bürgermeister ebd., oo Magdeburg 23.10.1727 Louise Sophie GOETTEN,    
       *ebd. 27.12.1710, + Magdeburg-Neustadt 7.8.1744) 

       oo II. (II.) Hamburg/Petri 26.8.1771 Catharina Juliane to der HORST geb.  
       RÖNKENDORF, aus Braunschweig, + Hamburg 9.4.1789

       Lit. 1.Jensen (51),2. Meyer (1/326, 1/172, 1/171),3.Steinmetz 6 (141-144) 

- 1212 FRIDERICI, Johann Ernst Gerhard, * ...10.11741, + 9.8.1821,        
       Kammerschreiber, (1796) Kammerregistrator,
       oo I. 21.41767 Sophia Maria WITTE, * Heuerßen bei Bückeburg 23.12.1741, + 
       7.4.1783.
       1. Amalia Christiana, * 12.3.1768, +27.1.1784
       oo II.(I.)Hildesheim / Andreas 15.11.1796 Anna Elisabeth KRÜGER, * 1753, + 
       10.3.1827

- 1213 FRIDERICI, Johann Conrad, *1745, + 8.12.1806, Kanzlist und später Regis-  
       trator bei der Kriegskanzlei
       oo 23.4.1775 Charlotte BERTRAND, * Hannover 1745, +10.10.1820
       1. Hypolita Louise, *4.2.1776, 21.8.1799
       2. Carl Rudolf Franz, *12.11.1777, (1214)
       3. Henriette Margaretha Charlotte, + 16.9.1779

- 1214 FRIDERICI, Carl Rudolf Franz, * 12.11.1777, + ÄK 18.31848, (1806)        
       Schreiber bei der Generalkasse, später Oberkommissar, (E:1213),
       oo ... Sophie Marie Christine Dorothee TIMM, * ... 28.4.1788, + 25.4.1856, 
       (E: Joachim Friedrich T., Geh Kammerkanzlist in Schwerin, oo Auguste      
       Charlotte Sophie Koch).
...
- 1217 FRIEDRICH I., König in Preußen (seit 1701) ... es folgen die 3 Ehen ...
...
- 1218 FRIEDRICH WILHELM I., König in Preußen ... es folgt eine Eheschließung ..
...
- 1219 FRIEDRICH V., König von Dänemark, + ... 31.31723, + ...14.1.1766;
       oo 10.11.1743 Louisa, Prinzessin von Braunschweig und Lüneburg

- 1220 FRIEDRICH, Wilhelm August, * Nienburg, U 5.5.1734 Jena, als Advokat beim  
       OAG Celle U 12.4.1747 Gö, (1773) Gerihtsschulze und Polizeikommissar in   
       Lauenburg (E: Johann Gottfried F., + Nienburg 7.5.1730, Licentkommissar   
       ebd., oo ebd.23.101710 Anna Catharina Steigerthal, *ebd. ...106.1678, +   
       ebd. 13.12.1760),
       oo 4.7.1773 Anna Sopha OHSEN, gt. 19.8.1740, (E: Georg Gerhard O., gt.    
       12.1.1710, + 11.4.1764, Pedell bei der Geh.kanzlei, oo 10.11.1739 
       Catharina Maria SOMMER, gt. MK 27.12.1711).

- 1221 FRIEDRICHS, Caspar, (1700) Reiter, später Korporal im Leibgarde-Rgt.,
       oo I. (II.) 25.11.1700 Catharina Dorothea ULRICH, (oo I. Jürgen Philipp   
       BEHRE), + (Bolzum), (V: Lehrer und Küster in Bolzum)
       1. Caspar, * Wülfel 5.8.1707, + Nienburg 3.4.1795, 1781 als Generalmajor  
            Chef des 7.Drag.-Rgts, 25.2.1788 Generalleutnant, 1793 Pension
             oo I.(II.) Döhren 17,7.1750 Anna Dorothea FRESE, (oo I.MK 3.1.1743  
             Hermann Heinrich HARMS, bg. ebd. 29.4.1748, Gerichtsschreiber in    
             Hannover), gt. MK 7.6.1726, + Nienburg 1.7.1807
       Lit. 1.Bylburg (118,106,156,145,147),2.Poten (Nr,218), 3.Wurmb (78,197)
..."      

Abkürzungs- und Literaturverzeichnis habe ich leider nicht und kann daher nu 
beschränkte Erläuterungen dazu geben. zu verweisen wäre aber noch auf die 
Abhandlung von: Rolf Hillmer. Der Suderburger Heinrich Johann Friderici im 
Türkenkrieg 1685, S. 128 - 152, o.O., o.J.. Es handelt sich wohl um einen 
Aufsatz, wobei mir nur die Kopie ohne Veröffentlichungsangaben in die Hände 
gefallen ist. Ein Georg Friderici aus Santiago ist noch mit verschiedenen 
Stammtafeln in der Hamburger Bibliothek vertreten. Die Arbeiten sind aber 
scherlich schon bekannt. Dann wünsche ich allseits viel Vergnügen bei der 
Auswertung der Daten

mit freundlichen Grüßen                                       Hans Peter Albers



[HN] Re: Hagemann aus Holzen und Umgebung

Date: 2003/05/01 00:34:11
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Dreyer, Bernd schrieb:
> Guten Tag Herr Albers,
> ich möchte hiermit bei Ihnen bedanken für die superschnelle Antwort per
>  Brief. ... Ich war doch überrascht das es schon etwas schriftliches existiert. 
>  Wie ist denn der Titel und Author des Buches ? Ein weitere Zweig sind die
>  Picker's. Da ist ein Teil in Holzen geboren und beim Volksbund/Kriegsgräber 
>  fand ich weitere  die in Melbeck geboren sind. Sie scheinen aus einer Familie 
>  zu stammen. .... MfG Bernd Dreyer

Lieber Herr Bernd Dreyer,

da ich mir dachte, dass die Daten in jedem Falle interessant sind, war die Kopie 
die rationellere Lösung gegenüber langen Abschriften mit möglichen Fehlern 
meinerseits bei der Übertragung.

Die Quelle: Heinrich Borstelmann: Familienkunde des alten Amtes Lüne, Lüneburg: 
Verlag von Herold & Wahlstab 1935

Der Berichtszeitraum bei Borstelmann endet bei 1810, er hat hie und da für 1930 
die vorhandenen Namen zahlenmäßig noch angegeben. Den Namen Picker hat er nicht 
registriert. Für das Jahr 1563 weist er auf PIKELL, Dir., einen Hofbesitzer in 
Adendorf hin. Das bedeutet aber nicht, dass Picker nicht als Handwerker oder 
in anderem Berufe nicht durchgehend durch die Jahrhunderte vorhanden waren. Die 
ausgewerteten Urkunden beruhen auf Abgabepflichten. Solche hatten bauern, aber 
zum Beispiel nicht das Gesinde. 

Für Melbeck gibt es aus dem Jahre 1965 ine "Chronik. Melbeck und die 
Melbecks.Chronik des Dorfes Melbeck von Georg Melbeck, 40 Seiten.
Enthalten ist ein Höferegister und ein Einwohner- bzw. Haushaltsvorstandsver- 
zeichnis von 1935, leider ist der name Picker auch hier nicht verzeichnet. Da ich 
mir selbst auch eine Kopie davon machen werden, wäre es keine Mühe, eine für Sie 
mitzu fertigen. Die Kosten pro Seite liegen zwischen 5 und 6 Cent und etwaige 
Portokosten. Es gehen 2 Seiten auf eine Kopie. 

mit freundlichen Grüßen                                        Hans Peter Albers 

P.S.: Wenn Sie genaue Namen und Geburtsdaten und -orte hätten, ich bin an den 
daten aus der Region hier sehr interessiert.



[HN] What does baltischer mean?

Date: 2003/05/01 01:04:15
From: Darlene Baltus <dbaltus(a)2z.net>

I am sorry that I do not read German.  When I saw the following, the part of deutsch-balltischer caught my eye.  What does this mean?  I assume it is part of a name? Thanks.  DB
als Ergänzung zur angegebenen Literaturstelle:
> Zu den "Stammtafeln deutsch-baltischer Geschlechter von Erich
> Seuberlich" gibt es ein Personenregister, bearbeitet von Hans Boettcher,
> Erschienen Winsen/Aller, 1989.


Re: [HN] What does baltischer mean?

Date: 2003/05/01 01:34:23
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Darlene Baltus schrieb:
> I am sorry that I do not read German.  When I saw the following, the part of
>  deutsch-balltischer caught my eye.  What does this mean?  I assume it is
>  part of a name? Thanks.  DB
> als Ergänzung zur angegebenen Literaturstelle:
> > Zu den "Stammtafeln deutsch-baltischer Geschlechter von Erich
> > Seuberlich" gibt es ein Personenregister, bearbeitet von Hans Boettcher,
> > Erschienen Winsen/Aller, 1989.

Translation:

"As additional hint to the already given place in lterature :
> For use of the " Genealogical tables of German-Baltic generations made by Erich 
> Seuberlich" there is a register of names, which is worked out by Hans Boettcher 
> and published in Winsen/Aller in 1989." 

Greetings                                                                   HPA



Re: [HN] What does baltischer mean?

Date: 2003/05/01 02:15:30
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Darlene Baltus schrieb: ....

Sorry for have given only the half of the explanation:

"The "Baltikum": in former times the baltic province of Russia (Estland, Livland, 
Kurland), lateron the baltic states of Estland and Lettland, in the literal sense 
also including Lituvia" Translated after "Der Brockhaus in 16 Bänden"

"Deutschbalten": "Baltic Germans", in the 19th century abcoming name for the 
German Inhabitants of the  Eastsea- Provinces of the the Russian Empire. They 
formed since the governance of the "Dt. Orden" (13th century) a small upper 
class subjected to a ranking constitution. Until 1918 the baltic landed property 
belonged to a greater part to the Germans, but was by agricultural reforms of the 
becoming independant states  of Estland (1919) and Lettland (1920)expropiated. 
The resettlement of Germans into the region of the German Empire according to the 
resettlement treaties from Okt. 1939 meant practically the End of the 
german-baltic population. For the remained Germans in Lettland and Estland, which 
were after 1940 expropiated by the sowjet authorities, there were fixed 
compensation payments in 1991/92" Translated after "Der Brockhaus in 16 Bänden"

Hope that was the explanation, you were looking for            Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] What does baltischer mean?

Date: 2003/05/01 13:08:34
From: Reinhard . Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

deutsch-baltisch stands for German-Baltic like "German-American"
friendship for example.

Reinhard


Hans Peter Albers schrieb:
----------------------------------------
Darlene Baltus schrieb:
> I am sorry that I do not read German.  When I saw the
following, the part of
>  deutsch-balltischer caught my eye.  What does this
mean?  I assume it is
>  part of a name? Thanks.  DB
> als Ergänzung zur angegebenen Literaturstelle:
> > Zu den "Stammtafeln deutsch-baltischer Geschlechter
von Erich
> > Seuberlich" gibt es ein Personenregister, bearbeitet
von Hans Boettcher,
> > Erschienen Winsen/Aller, 1989.

Translation:

"As additional hint to the already given place in
lterature :
> For use of the " Genealogical tables of German-Baltic
generations made by Erich 
> Seuberlich" there is a register of names, which is
worked out by Hans Boettcher 
> and published in Winsen/Aller in 1989." 

Greetings                                                
                  HPA


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[HN] Buch

Date: 2003/05/01 17:00:23
From: W.A. Ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl>

Sehr geehrter Frauen und Herren,

Wer kann mich erzählen oder in Deutschland
einer Buch besteht worin frühere Schlosses
am Fluss Weber sind erwähnt ?

Mit freundlichem Gruss,

W.A.Ridderbos (aus Holland).


Re: [HN] Buch

Date: 2003/05/01 17:24:27
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>


Hallo aus den USA,


der Deutsche Bücherbund GmbH & Co. in Stuttgart hat 1982/1988 ein Buch von
Bruno Manz mit dem Titel "Deutschland - An den schönsten Flüssen entlang -
Erleben und Entdecken " herausgegeben. Auf den Seiten 188 - 202 wird das
Weser-Gebiet behandelt.
Leider aber wurde eine ISBN nicht erwähnt - eine deutsche Buchhandlung kann
dabei sicherlich helfen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Hans-Georg Boyken
____________________________
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From: "W.A. Ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: [HN] Buch


Sehr geehrter Frauen und Herren,

Wer kann mich erzählen oder in Deutschland
einer Buch besteht worin frühere Schlosses
am Fluss Weber sind erwähnt ?

Mit freundlichem Gruss,

W.A.Ridderbos (aus Holland).

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Re: [HN] Buch über Burgen/Schlösser (Castle)

Date: 2003/05/01 23:11:39
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Es gibt folgendes Buch:

"Burgen und Schlösser im Oldenburger Land"
Verlag: Bültmann & Gerriets, Oldenburg 1993, ISBN: 3-920876-02-7

Auf der oldenburgischen Seite (West) sind in der Nähe der Weser als Burgenstandorte genannt: Ovelgönne und Delmenhorst

An der Hunte die zur Weser fliesst: Oldenburg, Wildeshausen

Gruss
Werner Honkomp, Oldenburg

> Sehr geehrter Frauen und Herren,

> Wer kann mich erzählen oder in Deutschland
> einer Buch besteht worin frühere Schlosses
> am Fluss Weber sind erwähnt ?

> Mit freundlichem Gruss,

> W.A.Ridderbos (aus Holland).

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Re: [HN] Buch

Date: 2003/05/01 23:19:06
From: Günter H . Merten <familie(a)gmerten.de>

Hallo,
es gibt ein Buch " "Ritterburgen und Schlösser über der Weser", Autor:
Stein/Saaleck, es wurde im Jahre 1929 herausgegeben und ist im Antiquariat
zu bekommen.
Sie können es kaufen über das Internet. Unter der Adresse www.zvab.de wird
es von mehreren Antiquariaten in Deutschland angeboten.
Freundliche Grüße
Günter H. Merten

----- Original Message -----
From: "W.A. Ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:00 PM
Subject: [HN] Buch


Sehr geehrter Frauen und Herren,

Wer kann mich erzählen oder in Deutschland
einer Buch besteht worin frühere Schlosses
am Fluss Weber sind erwähnt ?

Mit freundlichem Gruss,

W.A.Ridderbos (aus Holland).

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Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA

Date: 2003/05/02 01:40:41
From: Sophie Gottemoller <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>

This is not much help but there is a restaurant outside of Chicago (in
Des Plaines) called Przybillo's White Eagle.  It specializes in Polish
food and is used extensively by the folks who bury their loved ones at
St. Adalbert's cemetery across the street.  Perhaps you need to look
beyond the east coast of the US.  
Sophie Gottemoller

"Juergen E.W.Meyer" wrote:
> 
> Hi, specially readers in the USA,
> around 1884 my grgrfather, Johann Wilhelm Przybille, protestant, born Smortawe,
> parish Scheidelwitz, Schlesien (Silesia) in 1846,  left for the USA leaving his
> family in Bremen where he had married seven years earlier Elsabee Meyer from
> Emden with whom he had three sons behind. There is not trace of him in New York
> (Ellis Island, DAUSA nor the NY census have any information on him).
> According to family tradtions he returned to Bremen some years later in order to
> take his family to the New World, but who refused.
> His wife in Bremen was stated as "widow"  in 1930.
> Has anybody come accross this rare name (pronunciation: Pshebille), possibly in
> New England or the southern states????
> Any information will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Jürgen
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Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA

Date: 2003/05/02 04:14:49
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

also try google see what comes up or see here what was on the first page. can't forget good old wi.
google:
ESPN.com: Joel Przybilla
Player Search #6 Joel Przybilla Milwaukee Bucks | Stats | Roster,
PPG 1.7, RPG 4.4, BPG 1.6. Height: 7-1 Weight: 255 lbs. Pos: C, Age ...
sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3408 - 34k - Cached - Similar pages

Yahoo! Sports
guttmorgan







From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:30:52 -0600

Hello AGAIN,
     I forgot to tell you that there are many Przybilla names in the
Minnesota phone directory. I have found that there is much more to be found
with the name ending in an "a".  Check here for Minnesota:

    http://www.qwestdex.com/servlet/ActionServlet?pid=rsearch&from=/


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Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA

Date: 2003/05/02 04:38:53
From: John Siemon <jsiemon(a)bcpl.net>

Jürgen,

I have a 1900 Census Index CD for the Mid-Atlantic States (Maryland,
Delaware, District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia and West
Virginia).  It lists the following names that are similar:

The name Michael Przybyl appears in the 1900 census
State: Pennsylvania
County: Berks
Location: Reading
Microfilm Roll Number: 1377
Microfilm Page Number: 104

The name Peter Przybyl appears in the 1900 census
State: Ohio
County: Lorain
Location: Black River Township
Microfilm Roll Number: 1295
Microfilm Page Number: 135

The name Frank Przybylak appears in the 1900 census
State: Pennsylvania
County: Allegheny
Location: 27th Ward Pittsburgh
Microfilm Roll Number: 1364
Microfilm Page Number: 227

The name Mary Przybylik appears in the 1900 census
State: Maryland
County: Anne Arundel
Location: 5th District 2nd Precinct
Microfilm Roll Number: 605
Microfilm Page Number: 63

There are many similar to Przibilski, none named William, but quite a few
named John in Pennsylvania and Ohio.  As you may know, many names were often
spelled wrong in the census.

Ellis Island was not established until the 1890's, so he would not be in
their database if he arrived in New York around 1884.

After New York, the second largest Port of Immigration in the US was
Baltimore.  By the 1890's, 25% of Baltimore was German immigrants or their
children.  Many Germans bought package tickets that included their ticket
from Bremen to Baltimore, and then they immediately got on a train and
headed west to Pittsburg, Ohio, and places farther west.

I looked in the 1890 Baltimore City Directory and there were no similar
names.  Good luck.

John Siemon
Baltimore

----- Original Message -----
From: "Juergen E.W.Meyer" <JEW.Meyer(a)t-online.de>
To: <famnord(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:57 AM
Subject: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA


> Hi, specially readers in the USA,
> around 1884 my grgrfather, Johann Wilhelm Przybille, protestant, born
Smortawe,
> parish Scheidelwitz, Schlesien (Silesia) in 1846,  left for the USA
leaving his
> family in Bremen where he had married seven years earlier Elsabee Meyer
from
> Emden with whom he had three sons behind. There is not trace of him in New
York
> (Ellis Island, DAUSA nor the NY census have any information on him).
> According to family tradtions he returned to Bremen some years later in
order to
> take his family to the New World, but who refused.
> His wife in Bremen was stated as "widow"  in 1930.
> Has anybody come accross this rare name (pronunciation: Pshebille),
possibly in
> New England or the southern states????
> Any information will be appreciated.
> Regards,
> Jürgen
>
>
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Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA

Date: 2003/05/02 05:53:18
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

wheny ou go to your favorite telephone directories
like infospace at
http://www.infospace.com/info/wp/index.htm?ver=05014
or yahoo.com
use

Przybill?

in your search and see the minor variants on the name...
info search had 144......



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From: "Sophie Gottemoller" <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA


> This is not much help but there is a restaurant outside of Chicago (in
> Des Plaines) called Przybillo's White Eagle.  It specializes in Polish
> food and is used extensively by the folks who bury their loved ones at
> St. Adalbert's cemetery across the street.  Perhaps you need to look
> beyond the east coast of the US.
> Sophie Gottemoller
>
> "Juergen E.W.Meyer" wrote:
> >
> > Hi, specially readers in the USA,
> > around 1884 my grgrfather, Johann Wilhelm Przybille, protestant, born
Smortawe,
> > parish Scheidelwitz, Schlesien (Silesia) in 1846,  left for the USA
leaving his
> > family in Bremen where he had married seven years earlier Elsabee Meyer
from
> > Emden with whom he had three sons behind. There is not trace of him in
New York
> > (Ellis Island, DAUSA nor the NY census have any information on him).
> > According to family tradtions he returned to Bremen some years later in
order to
> > take his family to the New World, but who refused.
> > His wife in Bremen was stated as "widow"  in 1930.
> > Has anybody come accross this rare name (pronunciation: Pshebille),
possibly in
> > New England or the southern states????
> > Any information will be appreciated.
> > Regards,
> > Jürgen
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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>
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[HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/02 06:03:34
From: GammaSims <GammaSims(a)aol.com>

  Can anyone help with any information regarding the TEICHMILLER or HOFFMAN 
families?Heinrich Teichmiller was born in Mariengaard?,Germany abt 1839.He 
came to the USA in 1885 with my father. The rest of the family came in 1894I 
dont know which port they left from.Hannover,or Hamburg or (either)
   Listed below are the children of:
         HEINRICH and ELIZABETH (HOFFMAN) TEICHMILLER
    JOHN TEICHMILLER b 1872 
    KATHERINE TEICHMILLER b.11869
    ANNA TEICHMILLER
    HENRY TEICHMILLER b.1873
    BERTHA TEICHMILLER
    ANDREW TEICHMILLER b.1885
 Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thank You!!!!   Helen 




            
   

 


Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA

Date: 2003/05/02 06:03:39
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

jurgen -
you have gone to rootsweb.com yes,
and entered the surname in the surname box....
and found four world connect entries?
you have contacted these people?
yes?
and checked the corresponding version on ancestry.com?




----- Original Message -----
From: "Sophie Gottemoller" <sgottemoller(a)dol.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA


> This is not much help but there is a restaurant outside of Chicago (in
> Des Plaines) called Przybillo's White Eagle.  It specializes in Polish
> food and is used extensively by the folks who bury their loved ones at
> St. Adalbert's cemetery across the street.  Perhaps you need to look
> beyond the east coast of the US.
> Sophie Gottemoller
>
> "Juergen E.W.Meyer" wrote:
> >
> > Hi, specially readers in the USA,
> > around 1884 my grgrfather, Johann Wilhelm Przybille, protestant, born
Smortawe,
> > parish Scheidelwitz, Schlesien (Silesia) in 1846,  left for the USA
leaving his
> > family in Bremen where he had married seven years earlier Elsabee Meyer
from
> > Emden with whom he had three sons behind. There is not trace of him in
New York
> > (Ellis Island, DAUSA nor the NY census have any information on him).
> > According to family tradtions he returned to Bremen some years later in
order to
> > take his family to the New World, but who refused.
> > His wife in Bremen was stated as "widow"  in 1930.
> > Has anybody come accross this rare name (pronunciation: Pshebille),
possibly in
> > New England or the southern states????
> > Any information will be appreciated.
> > Regards,
> > Jürgen
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
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Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/02 06:08:30
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

be on the look out for the name to be changed to teich....

in fact, a well know postcard photographer was curt teich.
a museum of his postcards is in lake county illinois...
at the lake county museum... in wauconda
they have a website and might have a bio on the man...
make a trip to google...
"curt teich" should do it...
good luck
valentine

----- Original Message -----
From: <GammaSims(a)aol.com>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:03 PM
Subject: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families


>   Can anyone help with any information regarding the TEICHMILLER or
HOFFMAN
> families?Heinrich Teichmiller was born in Mariengaard?,Germany abt 1839.He
> came to the USA in 1885 with my father. The rest of the family came in
1894I
> dont know which port they left from.Hannover,or Hamburg or (either)
>    Listed below are the children of:
>          HEINRICH and ELIZABETH (HOFFMAN) TEICHMILLER
>     JOHN TEICHMILLER b 1872
>     KATHERINE TEICHMILLER b.11869
>     ANNA TEICHMILLER
>     HENRY TEICHMILLER b.1873
>     BERTHA TEICHMILLER
>     ANDREW TEICHMILLER b.1885
>  Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thank You!!!!   Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[HN] Germans to Hawaii - Danke

Date: 2003/05/02 06:32:29
From: KurtKathKels <KurtKathKels(a)aol.com>

Dear Doug Plowman,

Thank you so much for taking the time to put the information about the German 
sugarcane workers on this list.  Very interesting.  

Sincerely,
Katherine


Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/02 07:11:20
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello Helen,
      Go to the webpage below and you will find some of the members of the
Teichmiller family.  Elizabeth was born in Wolferbot Germany--I'm not sure
where that is--it is not in the index of my autoatlas of Germany. Also no
Mariengaard.  There may be alternate spellings.
    Do a search here for Teichmiller:
   http://www.gencircles.com/
    There is an email address for the person who published the family tree.
Maybe you can make contact.
Good luck,
Barbara


on 5/1/03 10:03 PM, GammaSims(a)aol.com at GammaSims(a)aol.com wrote:

> Can anyone help with any information regarding the TEICHMILLER or HOFFMAN
> families?Heinrich Teichmiller was born in Mariengaard?,Germany abt 1839.He
> came to the USA in 1885 with my father. The rest of the family came in 1894I
> dont know which port they left from.Hannover,or Hamburg or (either)
> Listed below are the children of:
> HEINRICH and ELIZABETH (HOFFMAN) TEICHMILLER
> JOHN TEICHMILLER b 1872
> KATHERINE TEICHMILLER b.11869
> ANNA TEICHMILLER
> HENRY TEICHMILLER b.1873
> BERTHA TEICHMILLER
> ANDREW TEICHMILLER b.1885
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thank You!!!!   Helen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/02 16:40:59
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello Helen,
      I found a Mariengaard (a very small village) which is east of
Flensburg in Schleswig-Holstein, just south of highway 199 where Landballig
is.  It could be that they went to church in Grundhof (which is nearby).
The  LDS does have film for Grundhof (but only 1721-1763). I don't see a
church in Mariengaard. As to the town where Elizabeth is from, there is a
town not far from Mariengaard that is called Wolfsbrück (perhaps the
Wolferbot that is listed online as her birthplace). I'm just guessing on
that, of course.
Good luck!
Barbara




on 5/1/03 10:03 PM, GammaSims(a)aol.com at GammaSims(a)aol.com wrote:

> Can anyone help with any information regarding the TEICHMILLER or HOFFMAN
> families?Heinrich Teichmiller was born in Mariengaard?,Germany abt 1839.He
> came to the USA in 1885 with my father. The rest of the family came in 1894I
> dont know which port they left from.Hannover,or Hamburg or (either)
> Listed below are the children of:
> HEINRICH and ELIZABETH (HOFFMAN) TEICHMILLER
> JOHN TEICHMILLER b 1872
> KATHERINE TEICHMILLER b.11869
> ANNA TEICHMILLER
> HENRY TEICHMILLER b.1873
> BERTHA TEICHMILLER
> ANDREW TEICHMILLER b.1885
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thank You!!!!   Helen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/02 18:14:14
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>

Hi Helen:

I don't know how the name TEICHMILLER would have been
pronounced here in the US.  I grew up in Iowa which has
a lot of immigrants, including my grandfather, from the
Hanover area.  I know of a number of times, the T has
been dropped from the names.  This seems to be true of
German names starting with Ts.  

On the other hand some of the immigrants were very
particular and even kept the umlauts, however it was
difficult to do so in a new country that translated
names phonetically.

Just a thought

Gale Bosche

> >   Can anyone help with any information regarding the
> TEICHMILLER or HOFFMAN 
> families?Heinrich Teichmiller was born in
> Mariengaard?,Germany abt 1839.He 
> came to the USA in 1885 with my father. The rest of
the
> family came in 1894I 
> dont know which port they left from.Hannover,or
Hamburg
> or (either)
>    Listed below are the children of:
>          HEINRICH and ELIZABETH (HOFFMAN) TEICHMILLER
>     JOHN TEICHMILLER b 1872 
>     KATHERINE TEICHMILLER b.11869
>     ANNA TEICHMILLER
>     HENRY TEICHMILLER b.1873
>     BERTHA TEICHMILLER
>     ANDREW TEICHMILLER b.1885
>  Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thank You!!!!
 
> Helen 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>             
>    
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/03 06:14:10
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

T -names,  When my Gx3 grandfather came over, he spelled our name Thrun.  On 
the land purchase documents it was and still is Truhn.  What happened?
Eric Truhn


[HN] Bramsche

Date: 2003/05/03 09:40:59
From: T.Wiegman <wiegmant(a)wanadoo.nl>

Hallo,
Ich bitte um Hilfe.
Ich suche alle Informationen uber dass Hofe (vollerbe) Wichmann in Bramsche und uber die Familie Wichmann laut die Kirchenbucher von Bramsche.
Ich ware sehr dankbar eine Hilfe zu bekommen.

Ties Wiegman, Enschede, NL
E-mail: wiegmant(a)wanadoo.nl


Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/03 10:30:34
From: heinrichmunk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

hallo Helen, Mariengarten is a monastery near Göttingen in the kingom of hannover.
Heinrich

"Barbara Stewart" <raymondg(a)attbi.com> schrieb:
> Hello Helen,
>       I found a Mariengaard (a very small village) which is east of
> Flensburg in Schleswig-Holstein, just south of highway 199 where Landballig
> is.  It could be that they went to church in Grundhof (which is nearby).
> The  LDS does have film for Grundhof (but only 1721-1763). I don't see a
> church in Mariengaard. As to the town where Elizabeth is from, there is a
> town not far from Mariengaard that is called Wolfsbrück (perhaps the
> Wolferbot that is listed online as her birthplace). I'm just guessing on
> that, of course.
> Good luck!
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> on 5/1/03 10:03 PM, GammaSims(a)aol.com at GammaSims(a)aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone help with any information regarding the TEICHMILLER or HOFFMAN
> > families?Heinrich Teichmiller was born in Mariengaard?,Germany abt 1839.He
> > came to the USA in 1885 with my father. The rest of the family came in 1894I
> > dont know which port they left from.Hannover,or Hamburg or (either)
> > Listed below are the children of:
> > HEINRICH and ELIZABETH (HOFFMAN) TEICHMILLER
> > JOHN TEICHMILLER b 1872
> > KATHERINE TEICHMILLER b.11869
> > ANNA TEICHMILLER
> > HENRY TEICHMILLER b.1873
> > BERTHA TEICHMILLER
> > ANDREW TEICHMILLER b.1885
> > Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thank You!!!!   Helen
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
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> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/03 10:49:34
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hello Eric,

Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com wrote:
> T -names,  When my Gx3 grandfather came over, he spelled our name Thrun.  On
> the land purchase documents it was and still is Truhn.  What happened?

In former times, most german words starting with a letter 'T' that had
a pronounced vowel in them were written 'Th...', e.g. 'Thron'
(throne), 'Thür' (door), 'Thor' (gate). You can find a lot of these
words in older records.

Later spelling changed and the vowel could be pronounced by writing an
'h' after it. Often the 'h' was omitted at all. So todays writing for
common things changed to 'Tür' (door) and 'Tor' (gate). Only some
royal and religious words still use the 'Th' like 'Thron' (throne) or
'Thor' (nordic godhead).

Your father may have changed his name according to the above change in
spelling. On the other hand, names weren't always changed like common
words. 

Therefore another reason could be that he didn't want his name to be
mispronounced by english people. The english 'th' is pronounced very
different to the german 'th' or 't'. 

My above statement is plain guessing. I' not a linguistic person,
maybe other people can say more about this.


Kind regards, Juergen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38106 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/03 15:16:02
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

We pronounce our name True-n, now, is this how our name sounds in German?
Eric Truhn
Perry, Ohio USA


Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/03 15:25:43
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hello Eric,

Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com wrote:
> We pronounce our name True-n, now, is this how our name sounds in German?

Yes, that's the way, both spelling vaiants of your name (THRUN or
TRUHN) would be pronounces in german.

Kind regards, Juergen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38106 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


[HN] Truhn, Thrun

Date: 2003/05/03 17:25:38
From: KurtKathKels <KurtKathKels(a)aol.com>

I have a thought that when he came to America the "th" of Thrun was 
pronounced with our lisping air blowing "Th" unlike "T" in Germany.   So he 
decided to change the spelling, but kept the h in another place of his name.  


Good luck.

Sincerely,
Katherine


[HN] Ridderbusch usw.

Date: 2003/05/03 17:57:13
From: W.A. Ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl>

Sehr geehrte Familie rund Hannover,

Unterzeichner halte sich beschäftigt (als Hobby) mit es zusammensetzen vom Register von Personen
die als Familiename Ridderbusch, Ritterbusch, Ridderbosch, Ridderbos usw. haben.
Obschon das Register jetzt 1195 Personen umfast (von 1433 zu Heute), sind da noch viele Hiatus
(sicher im deutschem Gebiet).

Wenn Sie ihre Mitwirkung wollen geben, senden Sie bitte die Antworten auf die folgende Fragen.

1.  Familiename und amtliche Vorname oder Vornamen.
2.  Geburtsdatum und Geburtsort.
3.  Sohn oder Tochter von: (Vater) und (Mutter).
4.  Ehedatum und Eheort.
5.  Familiename Gatte oder Gattin (und amtliche Vorname oder Vornamen).
6.  Geburtsdatum und Geburtsort von Gatte oder Gattin.

Sind da Kinder: dasselbe Reihe einfallen bitte.

Im voraus Dank und mit freundlichem Gruss,

W.A.Ridderbos (Herr, geboren 1935 in Amsterdam).


Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/03 18:52:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Barbara is rigth, on the other site of Flensburg (to east) is also a Mariengaarde, a part of the community Sprakebüll.

The german phone directory shows a lot of Teichmüller (german spelling) in Germany, but in Schleswig-Holstein only in Kiel:

Teichmüller, E.
  Bebelplatz 3
  24146 Kiel


> "Barbara Stewart" <raymondg(a)attbi.com> schrieb:
>> Hello Helen,
>>       I found a Mariengaard (a very small village) which is east of
>> Flensburg in Schleswig-Holstein, just south of highway 199 where
>> Landballig
>> is.  It could be that they went to church in Grundhof (which is nearby).
>> The  LDS does have film for Grundhof (but only 1721-1763). I don't see a
>> church in Mariengaard. As to the town where Elizabeth is from, there is a
>> town not far from Mariengaard that is called Wolfsbrück (perhaps the
>> Wolferbot that is listed online as her birthplace). I'm just guessing on
>> that, of course.
>> Good luck!
>> Barbara



Re: [HN] Germans to Hawaii,

Date: 2003/05/03 19:41:31
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

That is interesting. I met someone on the internet with family wither in washington or oregon. His grandmother was Sylvia Meyer and connected to a Henrickson and Vogel of Main, Germany. They came from Ohio also. I know she worked in Hawaii and was a florist. And ended up in As I say Either oregon or Washington. [ I can look it up if anyone is intersted] They soon had a batch of meyers in new found settlement of Oregon or washington.. I used to wonder why they were in Hawaii. Sugar cane work may have been tough work. I deliberated on searching for this family. They are not my family. You may have made it a bit easier for me to begin if I were to do so. Perhaps they went to Hawaii because they were involved in fighting against Hitler. [quite a little story there.]
anyway, just wanted to put in a little tidbit, in case anyone interested.
gutt morgan




From: "Doug Plowman" <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Germans to Hawaii, Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 12:19:22 -0500

    Hello:
        I have the article: "Germans who worked the Sugar Plantations of
Hawaii" written by Maxine Krumdieck Flaherty, published in the German
Genealogical Digest Summer 2002 edition.  The author writes about her
grandfather Frederich Krumdieck, who work for several years in the sugar
plantation on the island of Kauai.
    I will try to summarize a few highlights. The archives in Hawaii have
ship passenger lists, city directories and other indexes. Addresses: State
of Hawaii, Public Archives, Iolani Palace Grounds, Honolulu, HI 96766. Other
resources:
Kauai Regional Library, 4344 Hady Street, Lihue, HI 96766; and Kauai
Historical Society PO Box 1778, Lihue Kauai, HI 96766 and Lihue Lutheran
Church 4602 Hoomana Rd. Lihue, HI 96766.
    The article has a list of passengers who travelled aboard the ship
"Iolani" left Bremen June 2, 1882. The passengers were listed by names,
ages, occupations, country of origin, and the name of village or home town.
    The article mentions a book, Kauai, The Separate Kingdom by Edward
Joesting, printed by the University of Hawaii Press and Kauai Museum
Association, Limited. "The sugar plantations needed workers so they formed a company to bring German workers to Hawaii" In 1881, Paul Isenberg became a
partner in Hackfeld & Co., formed by Heinrich Hackfeld, a German merchant
captain.
      The Hawaiian government financed the transportation of mosf of the
German workers, but the selection of the immigrants, their transportation on
Hackfeld owned ships and placement on the plantations was handled by
Hackfeld & Co.
    The Germans were from around Bremen and most were people wanting to
leave Germany but did not have the funds. Some immigrants were tradesman but
most were farmers usually signing a four year contract, with an option to
buy out the contract.
        Ships arriving in Hawaii, in 1881 the ship CEDAR, 71 men, 19 women
and 34 children went to the Lihue Plantation. In 1882, the ship IOLANI
brought 182 immigrants, and most went to the Kilauea plantation.
In 1883, 806 immigrants came on the ship EHRENFELS, 60 % German contract
workers. {A measles epidemic aboard the ship killed 43 children and 3
adults, all buried at sea}
    Aproximately 1,200 more German immigrants came to the islands by 1897,
most of them going to Kauai, where more than half ended up on the Lihue
Plantation. The working conditions, housing, promieses of land were not
fulfilled and the workers went on strike, to the courts, etc. By 1888,
German workers on the plantaions dropped to 121. Some prominent German
workers who stayed on: August Conradt, August Dreier, Paul Isenberg, E.
Lindmann, Krull and Charles Newman.
    The author suggests that if you have German ancestors arriving on the
West Coast, San Francisco, CA., Port Townsend, WA or Victoria, Brisith
Columbia, Canada, be sure to check for a Hawaii connection.


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[HN] Jacob KUHNE b @1820 in Lenne, Braunschweig

Date: 2003/05/03 22:35:18
From: Cwllmsgrpnc <Cwllmsgrpnc(a)aol.com>

Dear List,

I'm new to the list, and thought I'd post my KUHNE interests. I've traced my 
husband's KUHNE family in Ontario, Canada as far back as Jacob KUHNE, and 
wondered if anyone might have a connection to the family outline below. I 
haven't begun to research overseas records, for I'm not sure where records 
for Lenne might be found. I haven't been able to identify much using the LDS 
Familysearch website; however, I may be overlooking something ;-) Here is the 
brief outline... I have more info on descendants, and would be happy to share 
if someone recognizes a connection.

Jacob KUHNE, b @ 1820 in Lenne, former Duchy of Braunschweig; d 4 July 1896 
in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario, Canada

       + Christina BENNEWEIS, b @ 1820 in Germany (German-speaking area); 
       d 1 Oct 1899 in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario, Canada

Children, all born in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario, Canada:
1. Jacob,  b 24 Sept 1848
2. Caroline, b @1849
3. Mary, b @ 1852
4. John, b @ 1854
5. Michael, b @ 1858

Notes: 
a. Jacob & Christina were married about 1845 according to the 1861 Census of 
Canada, yet no record of their marriage has been found in Canada. It is 
possible they were married in 'Germany';
b. According to an historical atlas, Jacob immigrated here about 1846;
c. I don't know who Jacob emigrated with... if his parents emigrated, or just 
he and Christina;
d. Research into the BENNEWEIS family suggests they came from Hannover or the 
area surrounding;
e. It is possible Jacob had a brother named Henry.

I hope my email wasn't too long :-)
Regards,
Susan
Ontario, Canada


Re: [HN] Jacob KUHNE b @1820 in Lenne, Braunschweig

Date: 2003/05/04 05:17:08
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello Susan,
      I find Lenne on the map, but it isn't very clear to me where the
people would have gone to church.  You can look up in the LDS Family History
Catalog and see if they have microfilmed church records, but there isn't any
listed for Lenne.  It is such a small village (I saw somewhere that in 1833
there were 800 + residents) One could guess they maybe went to church nearby
and I'm not sure what town that would be.
     You may find this interesting:  www.thomas-erbe.de/ahnen/buch/001.htm
That will be in German. If you want the English, do a google search for
Kuhne Braunschweig and it will list the site and click on the "translate
this page".  It is about a book of Braunschweig emigrants from a certain
time period in the 1800's. Kuhne has several numbers listed but no first
names.  The man says he  has  the  whole book and  there is an email
address.  You should write him and see if he can give you the information on
those names.  
Good luck,
Barbara


on 5/3/03 2:35 PM, Cwllmsgrpnc(a)aol.com at Cwllmsgrpnc(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> Jacob KUHNE, b @ 1820 in Lenne, former Duchy of Braunschweig; d 4 July 1896
> in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario, Canada
> 
> + Christina BENNEWEIS, b @ 1820 in Germany (German-speaking area);
> d 1 Oct 1899 in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario, Canada
> 
> Children, all born in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario, Canada:
> 1. Jacob,  b 24 Sept 1848
> 2. Caroline, b @1849
> 3. Mary, b @ 1852
> 4. John, b @ 1854
> 5. Michael, b @ 1858
>



Re: [HN] Jacob KUHNE b @1820 in Lenne, Braunschweig

Date: 2003/05/04 12:26:03
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

To Susan,

the next town to Lenne is Stadtoldenburg, about 5 miles. It is located in Landkreis(county) Holzminden.
782 inhabitants.

Here the two Kühne (real spelling) addresses (or Kuehne):

Kühne, Andreas
  Breitestr. 18
  37627 Lenne

Kühne, Fritz
  Stadtoldendorfer Str. 12
  37627 Lenne

catholic church archive:

Kath. Bistumsarchiv Hildesheim
Domhof 18-21
31134 Hildesheim

lutheran church archive:

Evangelisch-lutherische Landeskirche in Braunschweig
Landeskirchliches Archiv
Alter Zeughof 1
38100 Braunschweig
Tel. (0531) 49391
www.luth-braunschweig.de


Werner

> on 5/3/03 2:35 PM, Cwllmsgrpnc(a)aol.com at Cwllmsgrpnc(a)aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Jacob KUHNE, b @ 1820 in Lenne, former Duchy of Braunschweig; d 4 July
>> 1896
>> in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario, Canada
>>
>> + Christina BENNEWEIS, b @ 1820 in Germany (German-speaking area);
>> d 1 Oct 1899 in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario, Canada
>>
>> Children, all born in Sebringville, Ellice twp, Perth Co, Ontario,
>> Canada:
>> 1. Jacob,  b 24 Sept 1848
>> 2. Caroline, b @1849
>> 3. Mary, b @ 1852
>> 4. John, b @ 1854
>> 5. Michael, b @ 1858
>>




Re: [HN] Jacob KUHNE b @1820 in Lenne, Braunschweig

Date: 2003/05/04 13:45:53
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> To Susan,
> 
> the next town to Lenne is Stadtoldenburg, about 5 miles. It is located in Landkreis(county) Holzminden.
>
Hallo Werner, hallo Susan,

that's not Stadtoldenburg but Stadtoldendorf.

Greetings
Wilfried Petersen


Re: [HN] Jacob KUHNE b @1820 in Lenne, Braunschweig

Date: 2003/05/04 18:09:38
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Wilfried,

of course, it should be Stadtoldendorf.
Thank you for the correction. I'm sorry for my mistake.

Werner

> "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
>> To Susan,
>>
>> the next town to Lenne is Stadtoldenburg, about 5 miles. It is located in
>> Landkreis(county) Holzminden.
>>
> Hallo Werner, hallo Susan,

> that's not Stadtoldenburg but Stadtoldendorf.

> Greetings
> Wilfried Petersen

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Re: [HN] Borstelmanns Zufallsfunde I

Date: 2003/05/04 19:14:28
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

Hans Alber,
I have something you can take a look at. It is living abel from the general area of Minnesota that others were found. If you have seen this. It's okay. I can only have you go to roots web and put in anna Seil or just Seil. You scroll down to where it says Peter Rausch. Then the submitter should be Jon Karl Wilbur. Maybe that will help you learn something. I have been following this very closely because of so many surnames seem to fit for me. Especially the Rausch and the Aicher.

My brother told me yesterday that there were Abels in Martin county. He said they own a electrical shop. I will check up on it. I ran accross something else too. But I have to check your old information about the Hermann Abel.
I do wish people would spell kingdom of Hanover - Hannover
Hope it helps some. If anything it will be interesting.






From: 320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de (Hans Peter Albers)
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Borstelmanns Zufallsfunde I
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:13:58 +0200

Fortsetzung 1 Heinrich Borstelmann´s Zufallfunde in Familienkunde des alten Amtes
Lüne:

"...
- GROTE, Joh. Hinr., Hsw. in Neetze ( s.d. Hans hinr. zu Brietlingen, oo
  1777 Neetze Cath. Marg. HARNEIT, Wwe des+ Hsw. Joh. Hinr. in Neetze)
- GROTE, Chr.,Hsw. in Reinstorf. er war der Sohn des + Hofmeisters zum Sandberge bei Bleckede,oo 1779 Anna Marie, Wwe. des+ Hsw. und Hirten Christ. Hinr. SOMMER
  zu Reinstorf
- GUR(E)CKE, Christ. Hinr., angehender H. in Thomasburg, S.d.+sw. JOh.Hinr. im Kirchspiel Nahrendorf, oo 1753 Anne Ilse KÖNIG, wwe. des + JOh. Hinr. Wulff (?)
  daselbst (Einheirat), um 1782 -87  Altent. daselbst.
- HACKE, Hans Hinr., Gefreiter, oo in Thomasburg Anna Cath. CLAVIN, T.d.+ Kh.
  (Kh.= Kuhhirte) Karsten in Radenbeck
- HÄVECKER, Joh., Grenadier im Lüneb. Dragonerregiment, oo 1756 in Thomasburg Marg.Elis.SIEVERS, T.des + Hsw. Hans Joachim in Kirchreihe im Amt Bodenteich - HEINE, Joh.David, Klosterschlachter in Lüne, S.d.+ H.Joh.Christ. zu Martins- rieth (Thüringen), oo Marg.Elis. SCHRÖDER, T.d. +Joh.Jürgen, H. zu Erbstorf
- HOYER, Jochen Heinr., Zimm.,S.des Viertelhöfners + Hans Chr. zu Beesem im
Ki.Bütlitz, oo 1805 in Thomasburg Anna Maria Elis.BURMESTER, T.d. + Rademachers
  Hans Jürgen in Thomasburg
- ISENBERG, David, Sch(äfer). inWilschenbrook, * Wittorf bei Winsen a.d.L, oo
  1780 in Lüneburg (St.Nikolai) Dor. Elis.MEYER aus Adendorf
- KEIL, Joh.Lud.,Amtsdiener in Lüne, S.d.Zimm. Joh.Chr. in Lüneburg, oo 1800 in
  Lüne Sophia Elis. SCHLÜTER, T.d. Klostergärtners Joh.Heinr. zu Walsrode
- KÖNIG, Hinr.Jürgen aus Wendhausen ist 1776 in Breetze oo mit WWE. des + Jürgen
  JAHNCKE in Breetze
- KRUSE, Casten Chr. zu Kolkhagen, S.des Viehhirten Michel in Glüsingen, oo 1739
  in Embsen Magd. Dor. HAGELBERG, T.d. HSW. Helmecke in Kolkh.
- KRUSKOP, Jacob Jürgen, aus Seedorf oo 1752 in Neetze Clara Anna EIKENBERG aus
  Wichmannsburg
- LÜHR, Hinrich Jürgen aus Neetze ist 1765 oo in Breetze Maria Dor. LAMPRECHT,
  geb. BARGMANN)
- LEMBKE, Jürgen Joh., S.d. Joh.Jürgen in Wetzen, oo in Embsen 1790 Cath.Dor.
  BERGMANN, T.d.H. Hinr.Lud. in Rettmer
- LENTE, Joh.Chr., Amtsschreiber in Lüne 1688-91, oo 1700 Gesche RIFFELS, Wwe.
  des + Amtmannes Joh. ZIPFEL in Rotenburg
- LÜCHAU, Hinr. aus Bispingen, oo 1696 in Lüne Maria Cath. BEER, T.des Jürgen in
  Erbstorf
- LÜHMANN, Jürgen, S.des Hans in Amelinghausen, oo in Embsen 1) 1735 Anna Cath. BRÜGGEMANN, T.d. Hans zu Grünhagen, 2) 1741 Anna Ilsabe DIERCKSEN, Wwe des +
  Hinr. in Melbeck
- LÜHMANN, Joh.Mich., S.+ Jürgen Chr. in Wetzen, oo in Embsen 1785 Anne Marg.
  SCHÜLERMANN, t.d. Hirten Chr. ebd.
..."
Fortsetzung folgt, is to be continued Hans Peter Albers


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[HN] what is grand duchy of Nassau

Date: 2003/05/04 19:40:25
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

I scrolled farther to check on the surnames of Schroeder, Seil and Stein of Lemont and Joliet, Iln. I read of this place that has been mentioned to me before. Perhaps the same group. I reember his frustration of not knowing about 'The grand Duchy of Nassau. What is a grand duchy? and why Nassau?
Forgive my stupid questions, if they are so..
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Re: [HN] Borstelm... name ABEL/ALBERS

Date: 2003/05/04 20:47:53
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Dear Gutt Morgan,

many thanks for your remembrance of my Hermann Albers. I had contact with the 
Frankfurt general embassy about him, but was told for documents to write to some 
official addresses in New York. I will do that next time, although the given 
prizes are much alike, if not higher to the staatsarchiv wages. We will see, how 
to get along that way a bit further. I still hope to get the information here by 
some of his anchestors or heir at law.

The "Abel" - way will only be successful, if there is a writing-error, because it 
comes from another meaning than "Albers". Abel first was a hebrew name and in 
middle age was used with the meaning  of "trace, touch, trifles", my name 
"Albers" , as also "Albrecht" is derived from medieval "Adalberath", what had the 
meaning " of nice, lucent art". Of course one may teasingly ask, what is the 
difference ? So the answer is up to everybody. In the question of my research for 
bearer of my name, "Abel" is not a central path. But thanks for the trial.

But perhaps I have something for you. These days was an article in newspaper 
about the jubilee of the gardeners-establishment SEIL in Bleckede. Didn´t you 
tell of some people of yours going there in the past. These SEIL-family is there 
for more than hundred years. I served the article anywhere and there is a 
possibility to find it back again, if needed.

Nassau = it´s the same town name as Nassau/Bahamas. "The grand-duchy of Nassau" 
is the name for the governance of a region at a time, when the rule in Germany 
was scattered up to hundreds of different acritocratic rulers - some smaller, 
some bigger. One of the smaller one was the "grand - duch of Nassau". For the 
exactly boundaries at which time, one has to look for a historical atlas. The 
translation into German is "Großherzogtum Nassau".

Sincerely                                                     Hans Peter Albers 



Re: [HN] what is grand duchy of Nassau

Date: 2003/05/04 21:38:59
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"gutt morgan" <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
> 
 I reember his frustration of not knowing about 'The grand Duchy of 
> Nassau. What is a grand duchy? and why Nassau?
>
 
Hi Gutt Morgan,

Nassau was not a grand duchy but a duchy. The name is coming from a castle with this name existing about 1150. Today in Germany are existing one city and three other places with this name. All the other names like Nassau are descending there from. For further informations you can go to Google with "duchy of Nassau" and you will find a good deal.

Sincerly
Wilfried Petersen


[HN] Jacob KUEHNE Thank You

Date: 2003/05/05 00:29:22
From: Cwllmsgrpnc <Cwllmsgrpnc(a)aol.com>

Hello all Listers...

... and thank you to Barbara, Werner and Wilfried for your kind assistance. 
The helpful suggestions are just what I needed to begin my research :-) Thank 
you all for taking the time to write.

To Barbara... thanks for taking the time to look up Lenne and other helpful 
sites, and to offer advice. It is and was small, I've discovered... I found a 
site about Gemeinde Lenne, which states that around 1790, the inhabitants 
numbered @ 187! The site you mentioned is a wonderful find, and I've since 
written to the owner (Thomas). Thank you also for your advice on having the 
site translated.

To Werner... my husband is amazed that KUHNEs still live in Lenne... thank 
you for looking up their addresses... we can't wait to write. Thank you also 
for the addresses of the Church archives. We will also write them (you were 
kind to consider both Catholic and Evangelical). I'm interested in the town 
Stadtoldendorf as well, for I was unable to find much for Lenne using the 
LDS... perhaps I'll have more success for Stadtoldendorf.

To Wilfried... thank you too for the Stadtoldendorf correction... everything 
helps :-)

With much appreciation, 
Susan
Ontario, Canada





Re: [HN] Borstelm... name ABEL/ALBERS

Date: 2003/05/05 04:06:31
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>


I guess i mixed myself up aain with names. forgot or something. sorry for taking the space. not dyslexia!!




From: 320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de (Hans Peter Albers)
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Borstelm... name ABEL/ALBERS
Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:47:32 +0200

Dear Gutt Morgan,

many thanks for your remembrance of my Hermann Albers. I had contact with the Frankfurt general embassy about him, but was told for documents to write to some official addresses in New York. I will do that next time, although the given prizes are much alike, if not higher to the staatsarchiv wages. We will see, how to get along that way a bit further. I still hope to get the information here by
some of his anchestors or heir at law.

The "Abel" - way will only be successful, if there is a writing-error, because it comes from another meaning than "Albers". Abel first was a hebrew name and in
middle age was used with the meaning  of "trace, touch, trifles", my name
"Albers" , as also "Albrecht" is derived from medieval "Adalberath", what had the meaning " of nice, lucent art". Of course one may teasingly ask, what is the difference ? So the answer is up to everybody. In the question of my research for
bearer of my name, "Abel" is not a central path. But thanks for the trial.

But perhaps I have something for you. These days was an article in newspaper about the jubilee of the gardeners-establishment SEIL in Bleckede. Didn´t you tell of some people of yours going there in the past. These SEIL-family is there
for more than hundred years. I served the article anywhere and there is a
possibility to find it back again, if needed.

Nassau = it´s the same town name as Nassau/Bahamas. "The grand-duchy of Nassau" is the name for the governance of a region at a time, when the rule in Germany was scattered up to hundreds of different acritocratic rulers - some smaller, some bigger. One of the smaller one was the "grand - duch of Nassau". For the exactly boundaries at which time, one has to look for a historical atlas. The
translation into German is "Großherzogtum Nassau".

Sincerely Hans Peter Albers


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[HN] Schlosses-buch

Date: 2003/05/05 12:12:50
From: W.A. Ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl>

Herren H.G.Boyken, W.Honkamp und G.H.Merten,

Dank für die Buch-information !

W.A.Ridderbos aus Holland.


Re: [HN] Bramsche

Date: 2003/05/05 16:50:50
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 3 May 2003 at 9:41, T.Wiegman wrote:

> Hallo,
> Ich bitte um Hilfe.
> Ich suche alle Informationen uber dass Hofe (vollerbe) Wichmann in
> Bramsche und uber die Familie Wichmann laut die Kirchenbucher von
> Bramsche. Ich ware sehr dankbar eine Hilfe zu bekommen.
> 
> Ties Wiegman, Enschede, NL
> E-mail: wiegmant(a)wanadoo.nl

So weit wie ich mich erinnern kann hat Udo Niemann die Bramscher KB 
bearbeitet und auf CD zur Veröffentlichung gebracht. Frage man an: 
UdoNiemann(a)aol.com

Fred


Fred & Marlies Rump 
Somewhere between New Jersey and somewhere 
else. (Presently at 9010 Michael Circle, 
Naples, FL) 239-269-4781 (cell-Sprint)




[HN] chart sites to a little history

Date: 2003/05/05 17:43:48
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

forgive any errors I may put on here...... contains common knowledge to some...........

I would like to share with you some of my finding. Particularly the sites of two charts. We have had a few history lessons in the past. I suppose my mind doesn't grasp some territory history, until I need to know something personally about it. I admit I should have checked google before I asked. Then I would have remembered that Nassau was Luxembourgh.That I had checked that out before. [ Maybe it is a helpful clue why Mosels, and Sauckes, Schroeders connected in Nahrendorf and Oldendorf. Also the with the Kanning, and Seil families.]


I think this area was important to us researchers. Not just the area, but that it was given as personal property to the King of Netherlands William 1 of Orange- Nassau. That personal union between Luxembourgh and the Netherlands lasted until 1890.


What I have been searching for today is this
" The Congress of Vienna settled the destiny of the country , by raising it to the rank of Grand Duchy."

And this land area became joined with Prussia about 1866.
The following site has this very helpfuls charts  of states and changes.

http:// www2.uta.edu/stillwell/notes-file/german.htm

On the chart you will see several grand duchies
Saxe Weimar- Eisenach
Oldenburg
Mechlenburg- Strelitz
Mechlenburg- Schwerin
Hesse- Darmstadt or Hesse and by Rhine
Baden

On this second website is that of the chart in a book written by Poe'litz published in 1810. It gives useful annotations about the size of all states of the federation and also their strenth of militry contributions at that time period.
Those that were Grand Duchies:
Frankfurt
Bade
Berg
Hesse
Wurtzburg.

Kingdoms of Bavaria, Wurtemberg, and Saxony

The rest are Hanseatic and free towns such as Hamburg. Others are counties such as Waldeck and plain Duchies such as Oldenburg and Lue'beck.

www.napoleon-online.com/Armies/rheinbund.html

And there is plenty more on this at Google.

note to Hans Peter Albers:
I think I have seen that Seil family business near the Elbe River. I have been wondering, If I should write. A garden shop called BLOOM or something similiar. It was on the internet. The question to myself was if it was the right area. Or would I just be whasting their time. What hadn't sunk into my brain was the fact that Nahrendorf is considered part of Bleckede area. I have been doing some research on google to see if it is state or county or what and to become familiar with geography of it and political division. I had thought it to be of Luneburg. Also, before I was concerned with Dahlenburg Luthern church area. I was researching Nahrendorf/ Oldendorf church area. They are different divisions . Those of church and those of political divisions. One time a town maybe included in religious area and not in political area.
I thank you all for your time and interest.
back to the grind stone

meyer

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[HN] Oldendorf/Hösseringen

Date: 2003/05/05 18:48:10
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

My ancestors came from Hannover.  On the original birth records for those
ancestors I have already traced the Ort is listed as Oldendorf.  But
sometimes it is listed as Hösseringen.

I need this help.

(1) Which Oldendorf of several villages by that name would this be?
(2) Which pairsh has these church records?
(3) How would I obtain information from these church records.

The name in which I am especially interested is GRASSMANN.  The father
(Christoph) and mother (Sophie, nee Meyer) and three children came to
America.  The children were Heinrich, Fredericka, and Catherina.

Thanks in advance to any person able to supply information.

Edward H Meyer



Re: [HN] Oldendorf/Hösseringen

Date: 2003/05/05 20:44:46
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Edward Meyer schrieb:
> My ancestors came from Hannover.  On the original birth records for those
> ancestors I have already traced the Ort is listed as Oldendorf.  But
> sometimes it is listed as Hösseringen.
>
> I need this help.
>
> (1) Which Oldendorf of several villages by that name would this be?
> (2) Which parish has these church records?
> (3) How would I obtain information from these church records.
>
> The name in which I am especially interested is GRASSMANN.  The father
> (Christoph) and mother (Sophie, nee Meyer) and three children came to
> America.  The children were Heinrich, Fredericka, and Catherina.
>
> Thanks in advance to any person able to supply information.
>
> Edward H Meyer

Dear Edward H.Meyer,

I have to apologize for not yet inform about the up-to-now-results in your re- 
search by my visit to the library of the Genealogical society Hamburg. I´m sorry, 
but haven´t have yet the wished success. It maybe, that I have looked under the 
wrong author and the wrong place in the catalogue, but couldn´t yet find back the 
farm register made by Hillmer and Siebert. Back home again, I found that it might 
be registered under "Suderburg" and not under "Hösseringen". Also a look around 
through the books couldn´t bring it back to daylight. So it might even been lend 
out. The next time I come around there in Hamburg, that will be the first thing I 
will look for again. Promised !

>From the other book of Hillmer, I told before: "Geschichte der Gemeinde Suder- 

burg, Uelzen 1986" I can refer which places belong to the parish of Suderburg. On 
the title the author names "Bahnsen, Böddenstedt, Graulingen, Ha- merstorf, 
Hösseringen, Holxen, Oldendorf I, Räber" . From all this places people went to 
one church, that one in Suderburg. In the church books was often mentioned from 
which place inside or outside the "Kirchspiel" people were, if there was to make 
an entry about marriage, birth or death. The searched Oldendorf will probably be 
that "Oldendorf I". You willnot find it back on modern maps or as an own place 
in modern registers, but on an old map. It seems as if it has become part of 
Suderburg, because on the old map, scale  1:125.000 it looks as if there is no 
space between the buildings of both places. From one end of one village to the 
other end of the second place there are not more than one and a half kilometer.
You can find the map back as an addenda to: Helmke / Hohls: Der Speicher. 
Heimatbuch für den Landkreis Celle, 1930, new print 1990 (ISBN 3 -87546-064 -2).
If one time the birth place is stated Hösseringen and then Oldendorf that will 
mean that they moved inside the parish boundaries

So I think by that it is only one place you might get official information from 
or about the parish entries, Suderburg. The Address is simply: " Evangelische 
Kirche Suderburg, An der Kirche, 29556 Suderburg ". There is also a New Apostolic 
church. But yours were Lutheran or is it unsure or wrong. Perhaps someone else 
from the list knows if the Suderburg Churchbooks are filmed, available by the 
Mormons or in the Hnnover statearchive.

So much for the moment                                       Hans Peter Albers
 



Re: [HN] SEIL of Bleckede

Date: 2003/05/05 20:44:46
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

gutt morgan schrieb:

> note to Hans Peter Albers:
> I think I have seen that Seil family business near the Elbe River. I have 
> been wondering, If I should write.  A garden shop  called BLOOM  or 
> something similiar. It was on the internet. The question to myself was if it 
> was the right area.  Or would I just be whasting their time.  What  hadn't 
> sunk into my brain was the fact that Nahrendorf is considered part of 
> Bleckede area.

Dear Jo Meyer,
sorry for naming you again gutt morgan, was just because of the E-mail-address.
I wouldn't be to shy just asking them in a friendly letter. Most people are inte- 
rested in possible family connections. So just give them the possible connections 
with birthdates or marriages and let them decide to answer or not. The region is 
right, the needed possibility of moving in the region in the time (19th century) 
was given. As SEIL is not to often, it might be. If you write your letter and 
it is not more than about one side and you send it over to me, I can add the 
translation and post it further. 

Greetings                                                      Hans Peter Albers 



Re: [HN] Oldendorf/Hösseringen

Date: 2003/05/05 21:37:50
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

    Wow!  What a find!  I could never find that Oldendorf when I looked for
it.  Hans Peter, you are good!  Edward, you will have a great time if you
have access to the LDS microfilm.  When you search for Suderburg, it shows
the church records back to the 1500's and there is a book that is on
microfilm as well that sounds good (although in German probably, but I'd
look at it!):
    "History of the school of Oldendorf and Suderburg, Hanover, Germany.
Includes history of the eighteen estates of Oldendorf and their owners.
Includes extensive genealogical information."
    Maybe your Grassmann were one of those landowners!
Barbara
    

on 5/5/03 12:44 PM, Hans Peter Albers at 320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de
wrote:

> Edward Meyer schrieb:
>> My ancestors came from Hannover.  On the original birth records for those
>> ancestors I have already traced the Ort is listed as Oldendorf.  But
>> sometimes it is listed as Hösseringen.
>> 
>> I need this help.
>> 
>> (1) Which Oldendorf of several villages by that name would this be?
>> (2) Which parish has these church records?
>> (3) How would I obtain information from these church records.
>> 
>> The name in which I am especially interested is GRASSMANN.  The father
>> (Christoph) and mother (Sophie, nee Meyer) and three children came to
>> America.  The children were Heinrich, Fredericka, and Catherina.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance to any person able to supply information.
>> 
>> Edward H Meyer
> 
> Dear Edward H.Meyer,
> 
> I have to apologize for not yet inform about the up-to-now-results in your re-
> search by my visit to the library of the Genealogical society Hamburg. I´m
> sorry, 
> but haven´t have yet the wished success. It maybe, that I have looked under
> the 
> wrong author and the wrong place in the catalogue, but couldn´t yet find back
> the 
> farm register made by Hillmer and Siebert. Back home again, I found that it
> might 
> be registered under "Suderburg" and not under "Hösseringen". Also a look
> around 
> through the books couldn´t bring it back to daylight. So it might even been
> lend 
> out. The next time I come around there in Hamburg, that will be the first
> thing I 
> will look for again. Promised !
> 
>> From the other book of Hillmer, I told before: "Geschichte der Gemeinde
>> Suder- 
> 
> burg, Uelzen 1986" I can refer which places belong to the parish of Suderburg.
> On 
> the title the author names "Bahnsen, Böddenstedt, Graulingen, Ha- merstorf,
> Hösseringen, Holxen, Oldendorf I, Räber" . From all this places people went to
> one church, that one in Suderburg. In the church books was often mentioned
> from 
> which place inside or outside the "Kirchspiel" people were, if there was to
> make 
> an entry about marriage, birth or death. The searched Oldendorf will probably
> be 
> that "Oldendorf I". You willnot find it back on modern maps or as an own place
> in modern registers, but on an old map. It seems as if it has become part of
> Suderburg, because on the old map, scale  1:125.000 it looks as if there is no
> space between the buildings of both places. From one end of one village to the
> other end of the second place there are not more than one and a half
> kilometer.
> You can find the map back as an addenda to: Helmke / Hohls: Der Speicher.
> Heimatbuch für den Landkreis Celle, 1930, new print 1990 (ISBN 3 -87546-064
> -2).
> If one time the birth place is stated Hösseringen and then Oldendorf that will
> mean that they moved inside the parish boundaries
> 
> So I think by that it is only one place you might get official information
> from 
> or about the parish entries, Suderburg. The Address is simply: " Evangelische
> Kirche Suderburg, An der Kirche, 29556 Suderburg ". There is also a New
> Apostolic 
> church. But yours were Lutheran or is it unsure or wrong. Perhaps someone else
> from the list knows if the Suderburg Churchbooks are filmed, available by the
> Mormons or in the Hnnover statearchive.
> 
> So much for the moment                                       Hans Peter Albers
> 
> 
> 
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[HN] Given name "Vinebat"?

Date: 2003/05/05 22:17:30
From: susank521 <susank521(a)juno.com>

Dear Listers,
One of my KUPER ancestors (Anton, emigrated from Hannover before 1850)
has, on the 1860 US census, a child with the given name of Vinebat.  Has
anyone ever heard of this name?  The rest of the children have "normal"
names.
Thanks,
Susan


Re: [HN] Oldendorf/Hösseringen

Date: 2003/05/05 22:44:28
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hösseringen is a part of the community Suderburg, postal code 29556

We have 18 Oldendorf in Germany, here the Oldendorf with postal code 29...
but no Grassmann addresses:

- Oldendorf as part of Natendorf: 29587 (the next to Hösseringen, about 20 miles to north, west of Bad Bevensen)
- Oldendorf as part of Schnega  : 29465
- Oldendorf as part of Hermannsburg: 293..
- Oldenstadt as part of Uelzen: 29525 (there life 2 Grass, 1 Grasshoff, 2 Grassau)

Oldendorf as part of Nahrendorf/Göhrde show a Graß address, but 21369

Grassmann addresses with postal code 29...:

Graßmann, Albert  phone: (05824) 1304
  Schmölauer Str. 41
  29389 Bad Bodenteich

Graßmann, Hans-Joachim  (05861) 4960
  Dresdener Str. 1
  29451 Dannenberg

Grasmann, Gudrun  (05844) 8787
  Korviner Str. 26
  29459 Clenze

Graßmann, Albert  (05161) 72455
  Beethovenstr. 12
  29664 Walsrode

Graßmann, Albert  (0172) 5992720
  Beethovenstr. 12
  29664 Walsrode

Graßmann, Sandra  (05161) 47537
  An den Buchen 31
  29699 Bomlitz

I hope it help a little,
Werner


> My ancestors came from Hannover.  On the original birth records for those
> ancestors I have already traced the Ort is listed as Oldendorf.  But
> sometimes it is listed as Hösseringen.

> I need this help.

> (1) Which Oldendorf of several villages by that name would this be?
> (2) Which pairsh has these church records?
> (3) How would I obtain information from these church records.

> The name in which I am especially interested is GRASSMANN.  The father
> (Christoph) and mother (Sophie, nee Meyer) and three children came to
> America.  The children were Heinrich, Fredericka, and Catherina.

> Thanks in advance to any person able to supply information.

> Edward H Meyer


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Re: [HN] Given name "Vinebat"?

Date: 2003/05/05 22:55:27
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

susank521(a)juno.com schrieb:
> Dear Listers,
> One of my KUPER ancestors (Anton, emigrated from Hannover before 1850)
> has, on the 1860 US census, a child with the given name of Vinebat.  Has
> anyone ever heard of this name?  The rest of the children have "normal"
> names.
> Thanks,
> Susan

I am not quite sure of my Latin, but "venebat" must be derived from "venire", 
what is in English the verb for "to come". The form "venebat" must be a form 
for a past event and the meaning should be "had come from". Hope that makes sense 
in anyway.

Greetings                                                  Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] Given name "Vinebat"?

Date: 2003/05/06 04:32:46
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Susan,
    Have you ever tried to find those names on the 1880 census of the entire
country that is online at the LDS website?  If you go there
(www.familysearch.org) and do a search for Kuper (ONLY and nothing else) and
check the correct spelling box, you will get the Kuper names that were in
the 1880 census.  I didn't see any Vinebat, but maybe you will get  some
clue there.  I don't think there would be Latin  in the USA census records,
but it could be a mispelling.  If you have  the birthdate, you might find
something  on that 1880 census.  However, if it referred to a female, then
you may not be able to find a match.  And, of course, the person may not
have lived until 1880.  Also, I wonder if it could be a child that they took
in or adopted or was visiting the day they took the census??? There may be a
different surname in that case. Mysterious...
Barbara

on 5/5/03 2:15 PM, susank521(a)juno.com at susank521(a)juno.com wrote:

> Dear Listers,
> One of my KUPER ancestors (Anton, emigrated from Hannover before 1850)
> has, on the 1860 US census, a child with the given name of Vinebat.  Has
> anyone ever heard of this name?  The rest of the children have "normal"
> names.
> Thanks,
> Susan
> 
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[HN] 'Violet' perhaps? "Vinebat"?

Date: 2003/05/06 08:22:00
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Stewart" <raymondg(a)attbi.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Given name "Vinebat"?


> Susan,
>     Have you ever tried to find those names on the 1880 census of the
entire
> country that is online at the LDS website?  If you go there
> (www.familysearch.org) and do a search for Kuper (ONLY and nothing else)
and
> check the correct spelling box, you will get the Kuper names that were in
> the 1880 census.  I didn't see any Vinebat, but maybe you will get  some
> clue there.  I don't think there would be Latin  in the USA census
records,
> but it could be a mispelling.  If you have  the birthdate, you might find
> something  on that 1880 census.  However, if it referred to a female, then
> you may not be able to find a match.  And, of course, the person may not
> have lived until 1880.  Also, I wonder if it could be a child that they
took
> in or adopted or was visiting the day they took the census??? There may be
a
> different surname in that case. Mysterious...
> Barbara
>
> on 5/5/03 2:15 PM, susank521(a)juno.com at susank521(a)juno.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Listers,
> > One of my KUPER ancestors (Anton, emigrated from Hannover before 1850)
> > has, on the 1860 US census, a child with the given name of Vinebat.  Has
> > anyone ever heard of this name?  The rest of the children have "normal"
> > names.
> > Thanks,
> > Susan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
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Re: [HN] Jacob KUHNE b @1820 in Lenne, Braunschweig

Date: 2003/05/06 08:52:16
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Wilfried Petersen schrieb:
> 
> "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> > To Susan,
> >
> > the next town to Lenne is Stadtoldenburg, about 5 miles. It is located in Landkreis(county) Holzminden.
> >
> Hallo Werner, hallo Susan,
> that's not Stadtoldenburg but Stadtoldendorf.
> Greetings
> Wilfried Petersen
*********************************************************************
Hallo Wilfried,
ja ich leben noch auch wenn mir meine erzwungene Arbeitslosigkeit
nicht gut bekommt. So richtig habe ich nochmit meiner neuen Situation
nicht Tritt gefasst.

Habe Deine letzen mails nicht vergessen. Werde mich auch bei meinem
Hort in Thüste melden.

Das da oben ist "goldig" und typisch. Mir kommt immer ein sehr
wohlwollendes Lächeln innerlich und äußerlich wenn ich von Dir
oder auch von anderen "Spezialisten" solche Beiträge lese.
Ihr alle da draußen habt längst einen Charakter angenommen bei mir
Werner, Wilfried, Hans-Peter, Barbara usw.

Es macht Freude Euer Mitleser zu sein.

Greetings, Grüß Gott, Shalom, Chaire, ...
Klaus Vahlbruch



Re: [HN] what is grand duchy (was: Nassau)

Date: 2003/05/06 10:16:53
From: Falk Liebezeit Diepholz <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Good morning Gutt,  Hoping to be able to clarify a bit ...

Nassau castle at 10 miles SE of the city Koblence was built around 1125. The town by the same name grew in its shadow. The family of counts took the name Nassau around 1159/1160. 
In 1255 the family was split into 2 lines, 
the elder brother was Walram, the younger Otto
They continued to split up during the following centuries, sometimes a line would die out and they would be reunited. 
Walram s son was Adolf, count of Nassau, in 1292 he was elected king of Germany,
his opponent was Albrecht of Habsburg. Adolf made a treaty with England against France. He never interfered with their war, but he took sudsidaries from both of them. In 1298 he was dethroned and killed in a battle.

The younger line, Otto s descendants, in 1530 inherited the principality Orange near Avignon in France. In 1544 Wilhelm I of Nassau-Dillenburg became Fuerst/prince of Orange. He founded the actual , house of Orange-Nassau , 
that since 1815 provides the monarchs of the Netherlands. 
In 1652 the counts of Nassau-Diez, those of Nassau-Dillenburg and of Nassau-Siegen were made Fuerst (princes). They were a set of cousins descending from 4 brothers (out of their father s 25 children out of three matrimonies. 
The youngest of the 4 brothers Johann Ludwig, born in 1590, became the first Fuerst/prince (Fuerst von Nassau-Hadamar) in 1590, his elder brother Ernst Casimir was dead by then, so his son Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Casimir was made prince in 1652 (Fuerst von Nassau-Dietz) later royal line of the Nether-
lands), as well as brother Georg, so his son Ludwig Heinrich was made Fuerst of Nassau-Dillenburg; and brother Johann had passed by in 1623 as well: two of his grandsons were made Fuerst/prince in 1652 and 1664. 
In 1806 Friedrich Wilhelm of the Weilburg-line, a descendant of the elder Walram-line, was made Herzog/duke. His grandson Adolf in 1866 lost his German territory to Prussia, but he became the first Grossherzog/grandduke of Luxemburg. As his son Wilhelm had five daughters, Charlotte inherited the title in 1919, married prince Felix of Bourbon-Parma and thus continued the house of Luxemburg. 
 
The book of Wilhelm Zierer, Europas Fuerstenhaeuser, vgs-Verlagsgesellschaft, Koeln 1995 on p. 200/201 lists the ranking of the princes/Fuersten of the Austrian and the German Kaiserreich/Empire: 

I. 
Austrian Kaiser - German Kaiser (emperors)

II. 
Koenige (kings) of 
Preussen (Prussia), Bayern (Bavaria), Sachsen (Saxony), Wuerttemberg

III. 
Grossherzoege (granddukes) of
Baden, Hessen, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Sachasen-Weimar, Mecklenburg-Strelitz, 
Oldenburg

IV. 
Herzoege (dukes) of
Braunschweig, Sachsen-Meiningen, Sachsen-Altenburg, Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha,
Anhalt

V.
Fuersten (princes) of
Schwarzburg-Sondershausen, Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt, Waldeck, Reuss (elder line),
Reuss (younger line), Schaumburg-Lippe, Lippe 

The Fuersten/prines in Austria:
Arenberg, Lobkowitz, Salm-Salm, SAlm-Kyrburg, Dietrichstein, Auersperg, Fuerstenberg, SChwarzenberg, Thurn-Taxis 

If the list-managers let me I would continue with the next set of Fuersten/
princes ... 

take care 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz  


"Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> "gutt morgan" <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
> > 
>  I reember his frustration of not knowing about 'The grand Duchy of 
> > Nassau. What is a grand duchy? and why Nassau?
> >
>  
> Hi Gutt Morgan,
> 
> Nassau was not a grand duchy but a duchy. The name is coming from a castle with this name existing about 1150. Today in Germany are existing one city and three other places with this name. All the other names like Nassau are descending there from. For further informations you can go to Google with "duchy of Nassau" and you will find a good deal.
> 
> Sincerly
> Wilfried Petersen
> 
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Re: [HN] Oldendorf/Hsseringen

Date: 2003/05/06 15:32:48
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

Edward,
I have a suggestion for you. Perhaps you have connections i don't know about. I have noticed just now that Bonita Hillmer has connections in the same area. She also has Meyer. And many others. It may be in our archives. It certainly would be out there. But I can't tell you for sure about Grassman. I will check the Niedersachen newsletter for you.
Jo Meyer





From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover hannover <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] Oldendorf/Hösseringen
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 11:46:51 -0500

My ancestors came from Hannover.  On the original birth records for those
ancestors I have already traced the Ort is listed as Oldendorf.  But
sometimes it is listed as Hösseringen.

I need this help.

(1) Which Oldendorf of several villages by that name would this be?
(2) Which pairsh has these church records?
(3) How would I obtain information from these church records.


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[HN] Depenbrocks, Cincinnati, Rieste, Hanover, Germany

Date: 2003/05/06 15:57:31
From: Steven C. Wehling <wehling(a)rushmore.com>

wehling(a)rushmore.com 

I am Looking for connections to this family in Cincinnati.

Steve




Family Group Sheet

================================================================================
Husband: Gerhardus Henrcus DEPENBROCK-[1208]
================================================================================
        AKA: 
       Born: 4 Dec 1825 - Rieste, Hannover, Germany
 Christened: 
       Died: 30 Aug 1890 - Cincinnati, Ohio
     Buried: 2 Sep 1890 - St. Mary`s Cemetery, St. Bernard, Ohio
     Father: Joann Rudolph Henri Joseph DEPENBROCK-[20381] (1799-          )
     Mother: Anna Maria SCHULZEN-[20382] (1800-          )
    Married: 24 Apr 1853               Place: Rieste, Germany [MRIN:526] (Divorced)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Events
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      1. He was baptized on 6 Dec 1825 in Lage Parish, Rieste, Germany. 

================================================================================
   Wife: Elizabeth KUHL-[1209]
================================================================================
        AKA: 
       Born: Jun 1825 - Rieste, Germany
 Christened: 
       Died: 19 Jan 1910 - Cincinnati, Ohio
     Buried: ST. MARYS - Saint Bernard, Ohio
     Father: Johann Heinrich CUHL-[2108] (Abt 1785-          )
     Mother: Anna Maria Margrethe BIEST-[2109] (1787-1853)
================================================================================
Children
================================================================================
1  M  Henry DEPENBROCK-[1210]
       Born: 1851 - Cincinnati, Ohio
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: Elizabeth AUFDENKAMP-[19108] (Abt 1850-1919)
 Marr. Date:  [MRIN:529]
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2  F  Mary DEPENBROCK-[1211]
       Born: 1853 - Cincinnati, Ohio
 Christened: 
       Died: 16 Jan 1904 - Cincinnati, Ohio
     Buried: 18 Jan 1904 - St. Mary`s Cenetery, Saint Bernard, Ohio
     Spouse: Edward NORRIS-[20105] (1855-1911)
 Marr. Date: 12 Feb 1879 - Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio [MRIN:530]
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3  M  George DEPENBROCK-[1212]
       Born: 1858 - Cincinnati, Ohio
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4  M  Benjamin DEPENBROCK-[20102]
       Born: 
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5  M  Herman DEPENBROCK-[20103]
       Born: 
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6  M  Richard DEPENBROCK-[20104]
       Born: 
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

================================================================================
Marriage Notes
================================================================================




[HN] "Veestherr" in Holzen

Date: 2003/05/06 20:56:21
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Vor einiger Zeit hatte ich Gerd Rump versprochen zu berichten, was ein "Veest- 
herr" war, wenn ich den Artikel wiederfinde. Wiedergefunden wurde er nicht, aber 
eine andere Quelle: "Grimme (Bearb.): Scharnebeck gestern und heute. darin: 
Henning Soltau, ..." gibt eine gute Erklärung:

Some time ago i promised Gerd Rump to report, what a "Veestherr" has been, if I 
find back the article about. Found back again didn´t happen, but another source:
"Grimme  ...,(see above)" gives a good explanation:

"Der Go Oldenbrügge war in die vier Veeste Barendorf, Holzen, Sülbeck und Rettmer 
eingeteilt, die je einem Veestherrn unterstanden. .... Der Veestherr war für 5 
bis 10 Dörfer, also 30 bis 50 bauern nebst Anhang, zuständig und wurde aus der 
Zahl der dingpflichtigen Höfner gewählt. Er verkündete die herzoglichen 
Anordnungen, teilte die bauern zu Hand- und Spanndiensten ein, stellte 
Steuerlisten auf, zog Steuern und Strafgelder ein und hatte eine Art Gerichts und 
Polizeiaufischtsrecht. Er nahm danach die im Bezirk der ihm unterstellten Dörfer 
vorgefallenen Vergehen zu Protokoll und brachte sie auf dem nächsten Gogericht 
zur Aburteilung vor. Dort urteilte das Volk, vertreten durch die dingpflichtigen 
Höfner. Alle seit 1567 beim Gogericht vorgekommenen Verhandlungen waren in einem 
alten Gerichtsprotokollbuch in GroßFolio mit der Aufschrift "Oldenbrügger 
Gohgerichte" enthalten. Das Gericht wurde danach öffentlich gehegt. Neben den 
Gerichtsverhandlungen im Freien in der Nähe der Brücke haben solche auch in Lüne 
und Nutzfelde stattgefunden .... .

(zwei Urteile als Beispiele; Anm.HPA):


...Georg RÜTER, dessen Eltern in Reppenstedt gewohnet, hat 1575 im Barendorfer   
   Holze 11 Schweine gestohlen und nach Hamburg geführet. Er wurde peinlich    
verurteilt und mit dem Strange gerichtet.
-  Hinrich Schafherte in Breetze is dem Pastoren mit einem Spete up den Weg 
gelaufen und hat ihn vor einen Schelm und Dieb gescholten. Strafe 3 Taler. (1583)
... "

Translation (HPA):
"Go Oldenbrügge" and old administrational unitwest-north-east around Lüneburg was 
partioned into the four "Veeste" Barendorf, Holzen, Sülbeck and Rettmer, each of 
them was under the rule of one "Veestherrn". ... This "Veestherr" was authorized 
for 5 or 10 villages, what meant 30 up to 50 peasants , their families and 
peoples. He was elected out of the farmers, who were obliged  for duties. He 
announced the orders of the duch, arrange the peasants for the different works 
for the duch, sometimes by menas of hands, sometimes with horse- or ox-drawn 
wagon, made lists for taxes, darw in taxes and fines and hat the right to keep 
police and jurisdiction supervision. By that he made protocolls of the violations 
of the law and brought them for judgement to the next "Gogericht", means day of 
judgement. There people decided by itself, represented by the farmers, who were 
obliged for duties. All proceedings since 1567 had been gathered in an old book 
of protocolling judgements in the size "GroßFolio" with the inscription "Olden- 
brügger Gohgerichte". The sessions were held in public. Beside the sessions in 
open air near a bridge were held also  some in Lüne and Nutzfelde ....  

(two decisions for example; annotation HPA)
... Georg RÜTER, whose Parents had lived at Reppenstedt, had in 1575 in the woods 
    by Barendorf stolen 11 pigs and brought them to Hamburg. He was tortured and 
    judged and put to death by hanging.
-   HINRICH, shepherd in Breetze has blocked up the way to the priest armed with 
    a spade (or something similar; HPA) and told him a rogue and a thief. Punish- 
    ment 3 Taler (1583) ..."

Best wishes                                                   Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] TEICHMILLER, HOFFMAN, Families

Date: 2003/05/07 06:57:06
From: GammaSims <GammaSims(a)aol.com>

 Thanks Barbara    Helen


[HN] can someone confirm for me...

Date: 2003/05/07 18:53:36
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: can someone confirm for me...
I sent this earlier but there were some fancy text areas and so the post
bounced back to me...
and gave a bunch of messages to the list admins (sorry..........)


I am looking for Furstenau in Hannover

This is a follow-up to the Koenigreich Hanna (the information from the
monument) with Furstenau from a paper source...


I find four Furstenau names throughout Germany and I just need someone in
the Know to confirm for me that the

Furstenau in Nordhein Westfalen is the correct location.

As opposed to any of these locales:
Furstenau Brandenburg
Furstenau Niedersachsen
Furstenau Sachsen


many thanks for the helep,
valentine


[HN] SCHWEEN SCHWAIN

Date: 2003/05/07 19:30:35
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

any Schween Schwain family members on this list?
from hannover? earlier than 1860?



valentine

Re: [HN] Fürstenau

Date: 2003/05/07 21:49:44
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

It should be Fürstenau near Bramsche, Landkreis (county) Osnabrück, located in Niedersachsen (not Nordrhein Westfalen).

But there is also a Fürstenau as a part of Vechelde in Niedersachsen near Braunschweig.

About former Hannover, Oldenburg and Brunswick is today Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony).

Werner

> Subject: Re: can someone confirm for me...
> I sent this earlier but there were some fancy text areas and so the post
> bounced back to me...
> and gave a bunch of messages to the list admins (sorry..........)


> I am looking for Furstenau in Hannover

> This is a follow-up to the Koenigreich Hanna (the information from the
> monument) with Furstenau from a paper source...


> I find four Furstenau names throughout Germany and I just need someone in
> the Know to confirm for me that the

> Furstenau in Nordhein Westfalen is the correct location.

> As opposed to any of these locales:
> Furstenau Brandenburg
> Furstenau Niedersachsen
> Furstenau Sachsen


> many thanks for the helep,
> valentine

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Re: [HN] Fürstenau

Date: 2003/05/07 21:53:10
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

thanks werner.....



----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Fürstenau


It should be Fürstenau near Bramsche, Landkreis (county) Osnabrück, located
in Niedersachsen (not Nordrhein Westfalen).

But there is also a Fürstenau as a part of Vechelde in Niedersachsen near
Braunschweig.

About former Hannover, Oldenburg and Brunswick is today Niedersachsen (Lower
Saxony).

Werner

> Subject: Re: can someone confirm for me...
> I sent this earlier but there were some fancy text areas and so the post
> bounced back to me...
> and gave a bunch of messages to the list admins (sorry..........)


> I am looking for Furstenau in Hannover

> This is a follow-up to the Koenigreich Hanna (the information from the
> monument) with Furstenau from a paper source...


> I find four Furstenau names throughout Germany and I just need someone in
> the Know to confirm for me that the

> Furstenau in Nordhein Westfalen is the correct location.

> As opposed to any of these locales:
> Furstenau Brandenburg
> Furstenau Niedersachsen
> Furstenau Sachsen


> many thanks for the helep,
> valentine

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Re: [HN] can someone confirm for me...

Date: 2003/05/07 21:58:26
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"... valentine53179" <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
> 
> 
> I am looking for Furstenau in Hannover
> 
> This is a follow-up to the Koenigreich Hanna (the information from the
> monument) with Furstenau from a paper source...
> 
> 
> I find four Furstenau names throughout Germany and I just need someone in
> the Know to confirm for me that the
> 
> Furstenau in Nordhein Westfalen is the correct location.
> 
> As opposed to any of these locales:
> Furstenau Brandenburg
> Furstenau Niedersachsen
> Furstenau Sachsen
> 
> 
Hello Valentine,

I find five Fuerstenau in Germany, two among them in Niedersachsen, one of them in the former kingdom of Hannover, the other (very small) in the former duchy of Braunschweig. 
The former kingdom of Hannover is today part of Niedersachsen.
Fuerstenau (Hannover) is situated 25 km east of Lingen (Ems).

Greetings
Wilfried



[HN] www.roots-in-germany.de

Date: 2003/05/07 22:51:02
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

A new interesting website in english:

www.roots-in-germany.de

Werner Honkomp--------------------------------------------------
Werner Honkomp                       werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
Ziegelhofstr. 35b                         www.honkomp.de
26121 Oldenburg                        Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0441-883499


[HN] Profession Name

Date: 2003/05/07 23:04:34
From: Chris Grote <cgrote(a)rush.edu>

Thanks for the link Werner.  I was able to find records for both of my
grandparents.

Can you tell me the translation for their professions?  My grandfather's
was listed as "Landw. Tagel"; my grandmother's as "Haushalterin".
I'm guessing they mean farm worker/housekeeper, but would appreciate
some input.

Thanks again,

Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: [OL]www.roots-in-germany.de


> A new interesting website in english:
>
> www.roots-in-germany.de
>
> Werner Honkomp--------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp                       werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35b                         www.honkomp.de
> 26121 Oldenburg                        Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0441-883499
>
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[HN] Barthels,Sievers-HannoverProv<Mishicot,Wisconsin,USA,1850's

Date: 2003/05/08 05:33:35
From: jim heyroth <jheyroth(a)voyager.net>

BARTHELS, SIEVERS, HEYROTH, MILLER
Looking for the birth village in the Prov. of Hannover of three brothers by the name of BARTHELS: Ludwig/Louis (1.23.1831-6.19.1914), Johann (@1823-5.13.1858), and Wilhelm (10.26.1825-6.3.1884). They immigrated to the area around Mishicot/Manitowoc/Two Rivers, Wisconsin, USA, in the early 1850's. Their birth village has been mentioned as "Wellinghausen, Hannover", but no village by that exact spelling can be located (maybe Wallinghausen/Willighausen/Williehausen?).  Their parents were Wilhelm and Margaretha BARTHELS, and their religion was Evangalische. The brothers married into the SIEVERS, HEYROTH, AND MILLER families. They left their parents, two sisters, and at least two brothers (Dietrich, Heinrich) back in Germany. I am thankful for all past help and direction in regard to this search and am hopeful that I may benefit from more in the future.  Jim



Re: [HN] www.roots-in-germany.de

Date: 2003/05/08 08:36:48
From: Meine Ahnen <meine-ahnen(a)gmx.de>

Super viele Quellen - danke für den Tip!

Martin
www.arendi.de

----- Original Message -----
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>; <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:50 PM
Subject: [HN] www.roots-in-germany.de


> A new interesting website in english:
>
> www.roots-in-germany.de
>
> Werner Honkomp--------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp                       werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35b                         www.honkomp.de
> 26121 Oldenburg                        Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0441-883499
>
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[HN] Re: [HN] Barthels,Sievers-HannoverProv<Mishicot,Wisconsin,USA,1850's

Date: 2003/05/08 08:37:12
From: cLentz <clentz23(a)earthlink.net>

"jim heyroth" <jheyroth(a)voyager.net> wrote: 
>(snip) The brothers married into the SIEVERS, HEYROTH, AND MILLER >families.(snip)

Jim, do you have any information about the Sievers person in your list?
I've been unable to find the parents or birthplace of Caroline Sievers
who married Heinrich Lenz and they lived in Broistedt, Herzogtum
Braunschweig before immigrating to Carlinville Illinois in 1853. 
Thanks for any information you have.
Carl in Texas


Re: [HN] Profession Name

Date: 2003/05/08 08:54:03
From: Wolfgang . Schluter <Wolfgang.Schluter(a)t-online.de>

Housekeeper is correct. Landw. is short for Landwirt, Farmer, not farm
worker.

Wolfgang

Chris Grote schrieb:
> Thanks for the link Werner.  I was able to find records
> for both of my
> grandparents.
> 
> Can you tell me the translation for their professions? 
> My grandfather's
> was listed as "Landw. Tagel"; my grandmother's as
> "Haushalterin".
> I'm guessing they mean farm worker/housekeeper, but would
> appreciate
> some input.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>;
> <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:50 PM
> Subject: [OL]www.roots-in-germany.de
> 
> 
> > A new interesting website in english:
> >
> > www.roots-in-germany.de
> >
> > Werner
> Honkomp--------------------------------------------------
> > Werner Honkomp                      
> werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> > Ziegelhofstr. 35b                        
> www.honkomp.de
> > 26121 Oldenburg                        Tel: 0441-87230,
> Fax: 0441-883499
> >
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Re: [HN] Profession Name

Date: 2003/05/08 11:16:46
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

<Wolfgang.Schluter(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Housekeeper is correct. Landw. is short for Landwirt, Farmer, not farm
> worker.
> 
> Chris Grote schrieb:
>
> > Can you tell me the translation for their professions? 
> > My grandfather's
> > was listed as "Landw. Tagel"; my grandmother's as
> > "Haushalterin".
> > I'm guessing they mean farm worker/housekeeper, but would
> > appreciate
>
Hello Chris, hello Wolfgang,

"Landw. Tagel." is the abbreviation of "Landwirtschaftlicher Tageloehner". Farm worker is correct.

Greetings
Wilfried


Re: [HN] Barthels,Sievers-HannoverProv<Mishicot,Wisconsin,USA,1850's

Date: 2003/05/08 11:36:45
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"jim heyroth" <jheyroth(a)voyager.net> schrieb:

 Their birth village has been mentioned as "Wellinghausen, Hannover", but no village by that exact spelling can be located (maybe Wallinghausen/Willighausen/Williehausen?).  

Hello Jim,

their exists a place "Welliehausen" in the former kingdom, later province of Hannover. It is situated about 5 km north of Hameln (on the river Weser) about 40 km southwest of the city of Hannover.

Greetings
Wilfried


[HN] Glissmeyer in Egestorf/Janke in Misburg

Date: 2003/05/08 13:03:10
From: g . bassen <g.bassen(a)freenet.de>

Moin Forscherkollegen,

als neues Mitglied (Nr. 614) möchte ich mich kurz vorstellen. Bei der Durchsicht der Mitgliederliste habe ich viele wiedergesehen von FamNord.

Mein Name ist Günter Bassen, 40J. verh. 2 Kids, seit lange mit der Familienforschung beschäftigt.

Meine Vorfahren kommen hauptsächlich aus dem Kreis Rotenburg/Wümme, mein Urgroßvater aus der Nähe von Osterode am Harz. Über ihn werde ich die Tage noch eine Anfrage in der Liste starten.

Nun zu meiner Anfrage >>Glissmeyer in Egestorf/Janke in Misburg<<:

Für einen Forscherkollegen habe ich folgende Anfrage: 

I.) 
Lina GLISSMEYER (geb. 03.10.1877 in Egestorf, Hannover) heiratetet Gustav Adolph KOPLIN (geb. 1876 in Peterswalde, Krs. Schlochau, Pommern) am 18.09.1901 in Salt Lake City. 

II.) 
Johann Karl JANKE (geb. 05.12.1866 in Battrow, Krs. Flatow, Pommern) heiratet Augusta Wilhelmina KOPLIN (geb. 29.01.1864 in Peterswalde, Krs. Schlochau, Pommern) am 01.04.1891 in Peterswalde, Krs. Schlochau, Pommern. 

Ihre Kinder: 
Ernst Karl JANKE (geb. 1891 in Peterswalde, Krs. Schlochau, Pommern) 
Martha Bertha JANKE (geb. 1894 in Peterswalde, Krs. Schlochau, Pommern) 
Erich Gustav JANKE (geb. 1897 in Misburg, Hannover ) 
Alfred Ewald JANKE (geb. 1899 Misburg, Hannover) 

Danach ist die Familie nach Amerika ausgewandert. Hat jemand eine Idee, warum die Familie ins hannoversche Land gezogen ist? Ein Grund kann die Zementindustrie in Misburg gewesen sein (Danke Rolf Schulenburg). 

Viele Grüße Günter 

Günter Bassen 
Westend 6 
27419 Klein Meckelsen 



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Re: [HN] Barthels,Sievers-HannoverProv<Mishicot,Wisconsin,USA,1850's

Date: 2003/05/08 14:44:54
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

we have barthels which was changed to bartels in our area - 1840's
il-cook-schaumburg-L(a)rootsweb.com

i am taking the liberty of forwarding your email to the list in hopes of a
distant link...
valentine

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim heyroth" <jheyroth(a)voyager.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: [HN] Barthels,Sievers-HannoverProv<Mishicot,Wisconsin,USA,1850's


BARTHELS, SIEVERS, HEYROTH, MILLER
Looking for the birth village in the Prov. of Hannover of three brothers by
the name of BARTHELS: Ludwig/Louis (1.23.1831-6.19.1914), Johann
(@1823-5.13.1858), and Wilhelm (10.26.1825-6.3.1884). They immigrated to the
area around Mishicot/Manitowoc/Two Rivers, Wisconsin, USA, in the early
1850's. Their birth village has been mentioned as "Wellinghausen, Hannover",
but no village by that exact spelling can be located (maybe
Wallinghausen/Willighausen/Williehausen?).  Their parents were Wilhelm and
Margaretha BARTHELS, and their religion was Evangalische. The brothers
married into the SIEVERS, HEYROTH, AND MILLER families. They left their
parents, two sisters, and at least two brothers (Dietrich, Heinrich) back in
Germany. I am thankful for all past help and direction in regard to this
search and am hopeful that I may benefit from more in the future.  Jim


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Re: [HN] Barthels,Sievers-HannoverProv<Mishicot,Wisconsin,USA,1850's

Date: 2003/05/08 14:52:07
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Jim !
Possibly it may be:
Wallinghausen
Post Egels
26605 Aurich
It is a village in the former kingdom Hanover about 3 km in the east of
Aurich.
Greetings from Hamburg
Rolf

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [HN]
Barthels,Sievers-HannoverProv<Mishicot,Wisconsin,USA,1850's


"jim heyroth" <jheyroth(a)voyager.net> schrieb:

 Their birth village has been mentioned as "Wellinghausen, Hannover", but no
village by that exact spelling can be located (maybe
Wallinghausen/Willighausen/Williehausen?).

Hello Jim,

their exists a place "Welliehausen" in the former kingdom, later province of
Hannover. It is situated about 5 km north of Hameln (on the river Weser)
about 40 km southwest of the city of Hannover.

Greetings
Wilfried

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[HN] FRIDERICI in Hannover

Date: 2003/05/10 02:07:07
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>

Suche Schicksale von 
************************** 
Thomas Carl Friderici, 
* 01.08.1711 in Hannover-Neustadt, † ... 
Sohn des Bürgermeisters Thomas Friderici (* um 1680, + 1716) in Gehrden. 
***************************************************************************************  
Jeder Hinweis ist von Interesse 
Herzliche Grüsse aus Santiago de Chile 
Georg Friederici 
******************************************************  



[HN] Friderici in Hannover 18. Jh.

Date: 2003/05/10 02:07:16
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>

Suche Informationen zu der Brüdern:
***************************************************** 
Johann Friedrich Christian Friedrich (Friderici)
* 1711 in Hannover, † ... 
****************************************************** 
Johann Heinrich Jürgen Friedrich (Friderici) 
* 1713 in Hannover, † ... 
****************************************************** 
Christoph Ludwig Brandi Friedrich (Friderici)
* 1716 in Hannover, † ... 
****************************************************** 
Jeder Hinweis ist von Interesse 
Herzliche Grüsse aus Santiago de Chile 
Georg Friederici 
******************************************************  


[HN] Bürgerl. Siebmacher

Date: 2003/05/10 02:08:03
From: Georg Friederici <georgfriederici(a)entelchile.net>

Suche die "Friederici-Information" die im: 
*********************************************** 
Bürgerl. Siebmacher,   Abt. 9,   Tafel 84 
*********************************************** 
erscheint. 
*********************************************** 
Wer hat evtl. Zugang zu diesem Buch ? 
Herzliche Grüsse aus Santiago de Chile 
Georg Friederici 
*********************************************** 


[HN] Sendschoffen

Date: 2003/05/10 03:15:59
From: The Prough's <dprough(a)mail.win.org>

Can someone tell me what Sendschoffen means. Here is how it was used, Zacharias Ahlbach, son of Thonges Ahlbach - Sendschoffen at Ahlbach.
Thanks
Yvonne

[HN] B0rstelmanns Zufallsfunde III

Date: 2003/05/10 12:05:59
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Fortsetzung III von Heinrich Borstelmann's Zufallsfunden aus seiner Familienkun- 
de des alten Amtes Lüne" ...:
"...
- RÄR (REHR), Jurgen, S.d. Paul imKi. Amelinghausen, oo in Lüne Marg. FREMKEN, 
  T.d. Hans in Adendorf
- REINECKE, Joh. Heinr., Gutsverwalter in Neetze, S.d. Forstaufsehers Heinr. 
  Jacob zu Wolfsburg im Magdeburgischen, oo in Neetze Juliane Charlotte MARBURG, 
  T.d. Pfarrers Friedr. Wilh. zu Handorf
- REINSTORFF, Joh.Jürgen angehender H. in Heiligenthal, wurde 1802 in 
  Kirchgellersen mit Wwe. Anna Magd. WIEGHORST, H. in Heiligenthal getraut. Er 
  stammte aus  Mechtersen
- Um 1756 - 84 Friedr. Jacob RIEBEL (RIEVEL), Krüger in Embsen (eingeheiratet aus 
  Kolkhagen, S.des Werner, oo Anne Sophia HILMER, Stieft. des Jürgen MEYER zu 
  Embsen 
- RITTERBERG, Joh. Herm. Dan., angehender Leinweber in Adendorf, S.des + 
  Leinwebers Joh. Wilh. in Braunschweig, oo 1783 in Lüne Anna Marg. MEIER, T.des 
  + HSW. Hans Friedr. zu Adendorf
- RÖHRUP: 1707 Peter Röhrup, ein Schmiedegeselle aus Garlsdorf, oo in Thomasburg 
  Anna Magd. MEYER, Wwe. des + Müllers Hinr. Hartwig LÜDERS zu Thomasburg
- RÖHRUP: 1738 Meister Friedr. Hinr. RÖHRhop, angehender Hufschmied in Thomas-   
  burg, S.d. + Hufschmiedes Peter in Bleckede, oo in Thomasburg Anna Margr. REI- 
  MERS, T.d. Hufschmiedes Hinr. in Thomasburg
- ROSENBURG, Hans Valentin, aus Quarstedtm oo 1742 Clara Margr. BRAMMER zu 
  Süttorf
- RÜSCHMEYER, Hinr., S.d. Hsw. Hinr. in Hanstedt, oo 1736 in Embsen Sophia Maria 
  PÖTZMANN, T.d. + Mencke in Häcklingen
- Um 1663 - 71(+) Matthias SANDER, Mühlenpächter zu Wiecheln oo Ester RAM; vorher 
  Dan. Steinhauers Wwe. ( Lesart: Hof vorher im Besitz von Dan.Steinhauers Wwe.; 
  Anm.HPA)
- SAUCKE: 1795 Bavendorf Jürgen Hinr. SAUCK, 1/4 H. (aus Dumstorf eimgeheiratet, 
  oo 1793 Dor. Elis. TIMM, T.d. Jürg. Peter).
- SCHAADT, Ernst Chr., ein Schneider aus Echem, oo 1548 in Neetze Cath. Dor. 
  MANKEN
- SCHARFF, Henning Wilh., Superintendent in Lüne, Sohn des Superintendeten David 
  zu Bardowick, oo 1685 in Lüne Clara Agnesa GUDEN, T.des + Predigers Hieronymus 
  in Holstein. 
- SCHAUB, Chr. Jürgen ehem. Regim.=Reiter, oo 1763 In Thomasburg Marg. Elis. 
  SIVERS, Wwe. des + Jobst HÄVECKER ebda.
- SCHLIEKAU, Joh. Lud., Fuhrmann in Dachtmissen, aus Lüneburg, oo 1792 in 
  Kirchgellersen Dor.Elis. DIERCKEN, T.eines K. in Dachtmissen
- SCHMIDT: 1682 Horndorf Viet, Brks. (oo Wwe. Elis. MEYER ebd.)
- SCHMIDT: 1751 Clas Chr. SCHMED, angehender Hsw. In Radenbeck, S.d. + Hsw. Hanß 
  in Rullstorf, oo in Thomasburg Marie, geb. MEYER, Wwe. d.+ Otto Joh. SURECKEN
- SCHOOP: 1758 Hinr. Christ. SCHOOP, Bedienter am Kloster Lüne, oo In Lüneburg 
  (Nikolaik.) Magd. DORENS aus Altona
- SCHRÖDER: getraut wurden: in Embsen 1685 Chr. aus Amelinghausen und 1717 Joa- 
  chim, ehemal. Segeant; in Lüne 1738 Jürgen Hilmer, Schuster aus Suderburg;Tho- 
  masburg 1797 Hans Chr. aus Harmsorf und in Neetze 1805 Joh.Jacob, ein Zimm. 
  aus Blücher in Meckl. und 1806 Joh.Jacob, ein Steuermann aus demselben Ort.
..."
Fortsetzung folgt. Is to be continued                           Hans Peter Albers 
   



Re: [HN] Sendschoffen

Date: 2003/05/10 12:31:35
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

The Prough's schrieb:
> Can someone tell me what Sendschoffen means.  Here is how it was 
> used,  Zacharias Ahlbach, son of Thonges Ahlbach - Sendschoffen at Ahlbach.
> Thanks
> Yvonne 
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> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

Dear Prough's,

it will of course depend on time and local manners, but I know that in Westfalia, 
as for example "Münster i.Westf." ,still nowadays the the annual market - today 
it is nothing more than a fair, music and fast turnabouts - is called the "SEND". 
So "Send" is just another word for (annual) market. Your "Sendschöffen" will have 
had a function in the local market. "Schöffe" is today someone in a court, as- 
sisting the judge. As in former times "market day" and "court day" often took 
place same day, because one had brought by that people already together, there 
may have been also a function in local justice dealing with trading right. It 
maybe also only in executing and surveying the keeping of the market rights. For 
more exactly knowledge their is probably the need of a local historian of Ahl- 
bach.

Sincerely                                                    Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] Sendschoffen

Date: 2003/05/10 18:29:40
From: The Prough's <dprough(a)mail.win.org>

Thank you Hans Peter, I had looked it up and of course had the modern usage. What you say as of old makes much more sense. Dictionaries and Translation programs just don't get the right meaning very often. Yvonne



it will of course depend on time and local manners, but I know that in Westfalia, as for example "Münster i.Westf." ,still nowadays the the annual market - today it is nothing more than a fair, music and fast turnabouts - is called the "SEND". So "Send" is just another word for (annual) market. Your "Sendschöffen" will have had a function in the local market. "Schöffe" is today someone in a court, as-
sisting the judge. As in former times "market day" and "court day" often took
place same day, because one had brought by that people already together, there
may have been also a function in local justice dealing with trading right. It
maybe also only in executing and surveying the keeping of the market rights. For more exactly knowledge their is probably the need of a local historian of Ahl-
bach.

Sincerely                                                    Hans Peter Albers


Re: [HN] Sendschoffen

Date: 2003/05/10 20:09:21
From: Gerd Cornelius <Cornelius5(a)t-online.de>

Yvonne:

The Prough's wrote:
> Can someone tell me what Sendschoffen means.  Here is how it was 
> used,  Zacharias Ahlbach, son of Thonges Ahlbach - Sendschoffen at Ahlbach.


Besides the fact that I don't understand that really (same family and place 
name?) let me try to explain.

1. The correct spelling is "Sendschöffen" or "Sendschoeffen".

2. Schöffen are/were jurors at a lay assessor's court (in German: 
"Schöffengericht").

3. "Sendschöffen" were jurors at a "Sendgericht" (synomyms: Synodalgericht, 
judicium synodale, and others).

4. "Sendgerichte" (pl.) were originally travelling courts under episcopal ban, 
established in parallel to the courts of the counts. The Sendgericht was 
presided by the Sendherr, the Sendschöffen (scabini synodales) acted as jurors.
The Sendgericht was hold mostly at the oldest church ("Sendkirche") of a certain 
area, the "Sendbezirk". The Sendbezirk consisted of several parochiae. The 
Sendgericht was responsible for transgressions against the laws of the church 
(causae synodales). The Sendgericht took place up to three times a year. 
Depending on the region, they existed still in the 19th century. In most 
regions, however, the duties of the Sendgerichte were taken over by "normal", 
secular courts. 

Regards,

Gerd



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[HN] Role Calls

Date: 2003/05/10 21:41:14
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

Is a role call aloud on this list. I can't find my rules.
Eric Truhn
surname (THRUN)


Re: [HN] Sendschoffen

Date: 2003/05/10 23:28:28
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

The Prough's schrieb:
> Thank you Hans Peter,  I had looked it up and of course had the modern 
> usage.  What you say as of old makes much more sense.  Dictionaries and 
> Translation programs just don't get the right meaning very often.  Yvonne

Sorry, for bringing you on a wrong way with your Sendschöffen. So it would make 
sense in the way I speculated going along with the meaning of the two parts of 
"Send" and "Schöffen", Gerd Cornelius is more right in his explanation coming 
from the religious determination of the "Send". Maybe the "Send" as a market in 
Münster comes from being a place of the "Sendgericht", but market was not the 
reason. I have to correct myself after reading the article "Send" in the Kirch- 
liches Handlexikon by Michael Buchberger, Wien 1912".  

This article says also that in Bavarian and Alemanien (Alemanisch) region the 
"Sendgerichte" stopped being existant already in 14th century. There the "Schöf- 
fenverfassung" was abolished and its competence went over to the "Dorfgerichte 
(village courts)" It longest existence had the "Sendgerichte" in the catholic 
parts of western Germany, on the left side of the Rhine until the occupation by 
France at the End of the 18th century, on the right side of the Rhine deeply into 
the 19th century. The given definition of "Sendgerichte" there is:

" ...kirchl. Sittengericht, vor 800 aus der jährli. bischöfl. Visitation 
erwachsen, in der 1.Hälfte des 9.Jhdt. durch Einführung vereidigter Laienzeugen 
als Rüger (testes synodales,meist 7) dem weltl. Rügerverfahren angeglichen. ..." 

"... Court of morality of the church, grown out of the annual visitations of the 
bishops, in the first half of 9th century was made similar to the secular process 
of blaming (Rügeverfahren) by establishing laymen witnesses, which were put into 
oath as "Rüger" (testes synodales, mostly 7)."

>From these "Rüger" or "testes synodales" the developement went in the region of 
the former "Fränkisches Reich" in  12th century to the "Sendschöffen" (scabini 
synodales), who now did not only blame but became the right to find judgements 
themselves. In mostly cases the sentence was in money, but also in public peni- 
tence walks and worldly punishments, also in wax.

So if there is the need for it, you may have have a copy of the article by mail.

Seems as if the "Send" in Münster was only the last glimpse of that history and 
less than the visible part of that iceberg.

Sincerely                                                     Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] Role Calls

Date: 2003/05/11 00:09:19
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hello Eric!

Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com wrote:
> Is a role call aloud on this list.

No. I cannot find the message that Fred Rump (Listowner) posted some
time ago. Anyway, that message stated that roll calls aren't
appropriate here. 

You may publish a website with your names and post an URL here, but
please don't clutter the list with all of your names and areas. We
have more than 500 subscribers to this list and a roll call would
cause way to much volume on this list.

If you have a few names that you are especially interested in, feel
free to ask about them. You may also search the list archives for key
words at
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/archiv/hannover-l/suche.html


Kind regards, 

Juergen
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[HN] Border Changes

Date: 2003/05/11 05:50:12
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

My family came from Westpreussen, Postelau now Gdanskie, Postolowo around 
1850. I am still working on where they departed from when. They were farmers 
and settled in Brighton, Michigan. They were part of the first settlers of 
the town. I was wondering if the records were transfered from Poland to 
Germany after the border changed? How many different countries on this list?
Thank you,
Eric Truhn
Surname THRUN


Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA

Date: 2003/05/11 06:21:37
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear List,

If they cooked polish.

This is stetching but..I know of the name Przygoda, in W.C. Illinois. Washington was an area that many German-Polish people immigrated to. German-Polish at that time I think meaning Polish people of the German persuaion.

Barbie


From: 320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de (Hans Peter Albers)
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] PRZYBILLE in USA
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 00:33:59 +0200

Juergen E.W.Meyer schrieb:
> Hi, specially readers in the USA,
> around 1884 my grgrfather, Johann Wilhelm Przybille, protestant, born
>  Smortawe,
> parish Scheidelwitz, Schlesien (Silesia) in 1846, left for the USA leaving
>  his

You will find some other bearers of the name today in 32758 Detmold, Germany They are written PRYZBILA. If it doesn´t work getting in contact by going over
www.telephonbuch.de, ask me for the address.       Hans Peter Albers


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Re: [HN] What is a grandduchy II

Date: 2003/05/11 13:39:17
From: Falk Liebezeit Diepholz <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Hello Hannover listers, 

You guessed right Juergen, that the ranking degrees ranging from Prussica to Lippe were-
those of the Wilhelminian period (1871-1918).

The second rank was occupied by the by far larger group of princes who formerly were immediate to the empire, but who never were introduced to the Regensburg imperial council,
according to the date of their princes diploma: 
Croy 1664
Loewenstein-Wertheim-Rosenburg 1711 *
Esterházy 1712
Oettingen-Spielberg 1734
Solms-Braunfels 1742
Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Bartenstein 1744
Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Taxtberg 1744
Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Schillingsfuerst 1744 *
Isenburg-Offenbach-Birstein 1744
Colloredo-Mansfeld 1763
Khevenhueller 1763 *
Kaunitz-Rietberg 1764
Hohenlohe-Langenburg-Langenburg 1764
Hohenlohe-Langenburg-Oehringen  1764
Hohenlohe-Langenburg-Kirchberg 1764
Starhemberg 1765
Oettingen-Wallerstein 1774
Leiningen 1779
Wied 1784
Salm-Reifferscheidt-Krautheim 1790
Rosenberg 1790 
Schoenburg-Waldenburg 1790 *
Schoenburg-Hartenstein 1790 *
Solms-Hohensolms-Lich 1792
Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg 1792
Looz-Corswaren 1803
Waldburg-Wolfegg-Waldsee 1803
Waldburg-Zeil-Trauchburg 1803
Waldburg-Zeil-Trauchburg 1803
Waldburg-Zeil-Wurzach 1803
Metternich 1803
Fugger-Babenhausen 1803
Salm-Reifferscheid-Krautheim, auswaertige Linie (non-resident line) 1804 *
Windisch-Graetz 1804
Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein 1804
Trauttmannsdorff 1805
Leyen 1806
Loewenstein-Wertheim-Freudenberg 1812 *
Salm-Horstmar 1817
Bentheim-Steinfurt 1817
Bentheim-Tecklenburg or –Rheda 1817

follows the third group of non immediate princes, most of them having just the title,
just 19 families

Have a nice day 

greetings 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz 


Re: [HN] PRZYBILLA from Memel area

Date: 2003/05/11 17:33:33
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Cactus Flower schrieb:
>
> Dear List, If they cooked polish. ...

Just a little finding concerning the descendants "Przybilla" out of the region
East Prussia, sometimes ruled by Germans , sometimes by Poland, sometimes even by 
others. In the book SPERBER, Wolf Wendelin von: Die unsichtbaren Gräber der 
Familie v.Sperber aus Sommerau/Ostpreußen, 1996 (no ISBN), S.65 is written:

"In der Nachbarschaft der Kleinstadt und des Amtsgerichtes Prökuls lag auch das 
Sperber'sche Gut Prökuls vor den Toren von Memel, dessen Besitzer damals Curt 
Sperber, geb. 1847, Sohn des vierten Sohnes des Landrats Gottfried Benjamin 
Sperber aus Gerskullen, mit seiner Frau Jenny, geb.v.Hauteville, war. Diese Tante 
Jenny ... hatte ... mit ihren beiden Kindern Julia und Horst wenig Glück. Horst 
fiel im ersten Weltkrieg anno 1917 bei Fokßani in Mazedonien, und die anno 1895 
geborene Julia, ein sehr wildes und lebenshungriges Kind, heiratete im Jahre 1918 
den wenig erfreulichen Leutnant a.D. Joseph Przybilla, der im zweiten Weltkrieg 
als Verräter zum Tode verurteilt und hingerichtet worden ist."   

So one must not follow the authors opinions here my translation:

"In the neighbourhood of the small town, place of ageneral court, Prökuls was 
also in the very nearby of Memel the estate of the Sperber's, which owner at that 
time was Curt Sperber, b. 1847, son of the fourth son of the district president 
Benjamin Sperber aus Gerskullen and his wife Jenny, born as v.Hauteville. This 
aunt (of the author; HPA) ... had ... not too much luck with her two childs. 
Horst fell in 1917 in World War I. at Foßkani in Macedonia, and the 1895 born 
Julia, a very wild and hungry for life child, married in 1918 the less pleasuring 
former lieutenant Joseph PRZYBILLA, who was sentenced to death as a traitor in 
World War II and executed:"

So it is not the best news, it is better then none.Greetings. Hans Peter Albers



[HN] (no subject)

Date: 2003/05/11 17:52:43
From: Hemshorn <Hemshorn(a)aol.com>

An alle Listenteilnehmer,

habe herausgefunden, dass ein Teil meiner Ahnen aus Lugano stammt. Gibt es genealoghsche Mailinglisten für die Schweiz bzw. Südtirol?
Danke im voraus und viele Grüße aus Essen

Barbara Kloubert

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Re: [HN] Schweizer Mailinglisten

Date: 2003/05/11 18:18:35
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hallo Barbara,

Hemshorn(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Gibt es genealoghsche Mailinglisten für die Schweiz bzw. Südtirol?

Schweiz:
Es gibt bei genealogy.net nur eine geschlossene Mailingliste für
Mitglieder der SGFF-L -- Schweizerische Gesellschaft fuer
Familienforschung http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/sgff-l

Bei Rootsweb, gibt es aber diverse freie Listen für schweizerische
Genealogie, siehe http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/CHE/ .
Allerdings habe ich keinerlei Erfahrung mit dem e-Mail-Aufkommen in
diesen Listen.

Südtirol:
Südtirol wird von der Rootsweb Mailingliste AUT-TYROL mit erfaßt.
Siehe http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUT/AUT-TYROL.html

Ob die deutsche Mailingliste Austria-L auch für Anfragen über
Südtiroler Genealogie offen ist, kann wohl nur einer der
Administratoren beantworten (z.B. Alexander Fürstner
Alex.Fuerstner(a)t-online.de ). Zur Liste siehe auch
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/austria-l

Viele Grüße

Jürgen
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RE: [HN] Border Changes

Date: 2003/05/11 18:19:04
From: George Soergel <soergelone(a)earthlink.net>

Hi Eric:  The villages you are talking about are now in Poland I believe
and if so they probably used the port of Stettin to leave Pommern for this
country. The village was in East Prussia and not west Prussia I believe. In
1945 the Russians drove all the German people from East Prussia and those
that tried to stay would be killed. Most church records that are left were
brought to Germany by the church members to churches they went to after
they were in what is now Germany. Civil records are still in Poland yet as
are a few Church records that did not get removed by church members. I
think if you tried Pommern-L(a)genealogy.net mailing list you may get more
answers to your questions.  Also you can use   
http://www.Kartenmeister.com     When the page opens go near the bottom and
put in the surname you are looking for it will bring up anyone else looking
for the same surname and their e-mail address
Good Luck in your search.
Yours in Genealogical Research,  George E. Soergel  Milton Wisconsin


> [Original Message]
> From: <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: 5/11/2003 1:51:00 AM
> Subject: [HN] Border Changes
>
> My family came from Westpreussen, Postelau now Gdanskie, Postolowo around 
> 1850. I am still working on where they departed from when. They were
farmers 
> and settled in Brighton, Michigan. They were part of the first settlers
of 
> the town. I was wondering if the records were transfered from Poland to 
> Germany after the border changed? How many different countries on this
list?
> Thank you,
> Eric Truhn
> Surname THRUN
>
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Re: [HN] Sendschoffen

Date: 2003/05/11 18:48:08
From: The Prough's <dprough(a)mail.win.org>

Thank you again Hans Peter and Gerd for the help in understanding Sendschoffen. In trying to be brief in my question I did not give you all the information. Thonges Ahlbach - Sendschoffen at Ahlbach lived from 1663 to 1731 at Ahlbach near Flammersfeld. Do these dates give you enough information to know just where he is in the progression of the use of the term?

I am sorry to say that if the article is in German I would not understand it as I am very limited in the German that I can understand. Is there a translated version?

Sincerely Yvonne Castens Prough


So if there is the need for it, you may have have a copy of the article by mail.

Seems as if the "Send" in Münster was only the last glimpse of that history and
less than the visible part of that iceberg.

Sincerely Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] Border Changes

Date: 2003/05/11 19:12:09
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 10 May 2003 at 23:50, Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com wrote:

> My family came from Westpreussen, Postelau now Gdanskie, Postolowo
> around 1850. I am still working on where they departed from when. They
> were farmers and settled in Brighton, Michigan. They were part of the
> first settlers of the town. I was wondering if the records were
> transfered from Poland to Germany after the border changed? How many
> different countries on this list? Thank you, Eric Truhn Surname THRUN
> 
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First of all this list concerns the former Kingdom of Hannover not 
West or East Prussia. For that area you should sign up for the ow-
preussen-l(a)genealogy.net list.

If any records were transferred they would have gone the other way 
back into Poland as the recent shipment of the RC churchbooks from 
Regensburg indicates to various Polish archives. 

Fred 

26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
FredRump(a)earthlink.net
609-386-6846
215-205-2841 (cell)





Re: [HN] Sendschoeffen

Date: 2003/05/11 21:59:26
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

The Prough's schrieb:
> I am sorry to say that if the article is in German I would not understand 
> it as I am very limited in the German that I can understand.  Is there a 
> translated version? Sincerely Yvonne Castens Prough

Dear Yvonne Casten Prough,

That's of course the country Hessen, where your Ahlbach is belonging to, not any 
more Westfalia, so it is very near to the region east of the Rhine, where this 
jurisdictional phenomenon existed up to the midth of 19th century. Perhaps people 
of the local lists know more about the durance. It is in any way quite a distance 
to the hannover area, where this catholic tradition seems to be unknown because 
of dominating Lutheran religion past about 1530.

In the other point there is unfortunately no translation. But as we gave you al- 
ready the hard facts, the translation would not give so much more, except deepend 
knowledge of detailed church history. As I am not specialized on that science the 
risk of embedding something wrong by translating the whole article is a bit to 
high for my skills, but my offer for a copy remains, if you need it now or at any 
time later.

There lived in 1995 an Erika ALSBACH at Flammersfeld, did you check her as a 
source for your family history ?

Sincerely                                                     Hans Peter Albers
                      



Re: [HN] Border Changes

Date: 2003/05/12 03:21:41
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

Thank you, I will.
Eric Truhn


Re: [HN] Border Changes

Date: 2003/05/12 05:22:50
From: Truhnmtruhn <Truhnmtruhn(a)aol.com>

I do have ancestors from Hannover.  Maria ENGLER born 1820 Hannover, Johannes 
Dietrich MARTIN Born 1840 Hannover, Sophia Bofsetman STEINMETS 1842 Hannover, 
Harm DANKER, Heinrich GERKE b; 1844, Hittne DANKER, Katharina STEINMETS. 
These are names of my ancestors from Church records in Howell, Michigan. 
Maria ENGLER is my Gx3 Grandmother she married Carl THRUN.
Thanks,
Eric Truhn


[HN] BENJESTORF

Date: 2003/05/12 07:02:58
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

Dear List Members,
   I am searching for information about my great-great-great uncle, Johann Heinrich Christian Daniel BENJESTORF, born in Osterwald O/E on 15 December, 1814.
   I am most interested in whether he married and whether he had any children.
   I have no information about whether he moved from Osterwald or not.
   Don Roddy
   Don & Elaine Roddy
         From the deck of 
           S.V. CYGNUS
       Jacksonville, Florida

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[HN] osnabrück history

Date: 2003/05/12 11:52:44
From: Franck Eps <Franck.Eps(a)tdf.fr>

can anyone tell me the history of osnabrück (germany) between 1700 and 1850 ?
as this time, it was mainly catholic or lutherian ?
thanks




RE: [HN] osnabrück history

Date: 2003/05/12 12:29:23
From: neustrag <neustrag(a)bluewin.ch>

try google Osnabrück Geschichte
http://www.deutsche-staedte.de/osnabrueck/geschichte.html
Gruss Lilo
>-- Original-Nachricht --
>From: "Franck Eps" <Franck.Eps(a)tdf.fr>
>To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: [HN] osnabrück history
>Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:51:51 +0200
>
>
>can anyone tell me the history of osnabrück (germany) between 1700 and 1850
>?
>as this time, it was mainly catholic or lutherian ?
>thanks
>
>
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[HN] migration from Germany to France

Date: 2003/05/12 12:34:55
From: Franck Eps <Franck.Eps(a)tdf.fr>

My parents came from Osnabrück (Germany) around the beginning of 1800's, and migrated to France. Does anyone could have an idea why he migrated (because of war, religion, work) ? Someone else have a parent who migrated from Germany to France by this date ? Is there a list for migration between this two countries ?
Thank you




RE: [HN] osnabrück history

Date: 2003/05/12 19:39:37
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 12 May 2003 at 12:29, neustrag(a)bluewin.ch wrote:

> try google Osnabrück Geschichte
> http://www.deutsche-staedte.de/osnabrueck/geschichte.html
> Gruss Lilo
> >-- Original-Nachricht --
> >From: "Franck Eps" <Franck.Eps(a)tdf.fr>
> >To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
> >Subject: [HN] osnabrück history
> >Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> >Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:51:51 +0200
> >
> >
> >can anyone tell me the history of osnabrück (germany) between 1700
> >and 1850 ? as this time, it was mainly catholic or lutherian ? thanks
 
That's a hell of a 150 year stretch. Books could be written about it. 
But very basically the Prince-Bishopric Principality of Osnabrück was 
a mixed bag because of the Peace Treaty of 1648 (Münster/Osnabrück) 
which ended the 30 Years War. The Swedes held Osnabrück and 
influenced a switching of government which each succession of rulers. 
In other words it went from a Hanoverian Protestant Prince-Bishop to 
a RC one. This arrangement then permitted the subjects to be what 
they were. The city itself was mainly Protestant but there were also 
plenty of Catholics. They countryside varied depending on local 
circumstances. 

Bottom line is that you can not make any conclusions as to religion 
just because people came from Osnabrück.

Fred

 26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
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Re: [HN] migration from Germany to France

Date: 2003/05/12 19:39:37
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)earthlink.net>

On 12 May 2003 at 12:34, Franck Eps wrote:

> My parents came from Osnabrück (Germany) around the beginning of
> 1800's, and migrated to France. Does anyone could have an idea why he
> migrated (because of war, religion, work) ? Someone else have a parent
> who migrated from Germany to France by this date ? Is there a list for
> migration between this two countries ? Thank you

I'm sure you meant your ancestors came from Osnabrück lest you are a 
very, very old man. :-)

There were many emigrants who left the principality of Osnabrück. I 
dodn't know if you've checked the Osnabrück archives which were under 
extensive discussion here some time ago but if you haven't I would 
check the list archives and then go to the relevant web site to check 
this out. 

The reasons people left Osnabrück were mostly economic. The weaving 
industry, which had offered each individual farmer additional income, 
had been replaced by the Industrial Revolution and machines mainly in 
Britain. Many people could not survive on their little farms without 
additional income and the children saw no future for themselves here.

Fred

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[HN] Pre church records

Date: 2003/05/14 05:31:10
From: Margaret Miesterfeld <mahm(a)globaldsl.net>

Does anyone know the website listing town records to search that were
written before church records?

Margaret Miesterfeld



Rép. : Re: [HN] migration from Germ any to France

Date: 2003/05/14 08:56:35
From: Franck Eps <Franck.Eps(a)tdf.fr>

Of course, i spoke about my ancestors
Thanks for your explanation on the industrial revolution
I was thinking the possibilty the Napoleon's wars influence migration to France, but i have found no trace about this
I found many messages in this forum, but many are in german's spoken and i don't understand



>>> fredrump(a)earthlink.net 12/05/2003 19:37:42 >>>
On 12 May 2003 at 12:34, Franck Eps wrote:

> My parents came from Osnabrück (Germany) around the beginning of
> 1800's, and migrated to France. Does anyone could have an idea why he
> migrated (because of war, religion, work) ? Someone else have a parent
> who migrated from Germany to France by this date ? Is there a list for
> migration between this two countries ? Thank you

I'm sure you meant your ancestors came from Osnabrück lest you are a 
very, very old man. :-)

There were many emigrants who left the principality of Osnabrück. I 
dodn't know if you've checked the Osnabrück archives which were under 
extensive discussion here some time ago but if you haven't I would 
check the list archives and then go to the relevant web site to check 
this out. 

The reasons people left Osnabrück were mostly economic. The weaving 
industry, which had offered each individual farmer additional income, 
had been replaced by the Industrial Revolution and machines mainly in 
Britain. Many people could not survive on their little farms without 
additional income and the children saw no future for themselves here.

Fred

 26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
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Re: [HN] granddukes a. s. o. III

Date: 2003/05/14 20:34:07
From: Falk Liebezeit Diepholz <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Hello Hannover listers, 

The third rank of nobility (ends my little series) 

follows the third group of non immediate princes, most of them having just the title,
but no territory - just 19 families

Ligne 1601
Lubomirski 1617
Chigi 1659
Porcia 1662
Lamberg 1707
Odescalchi 1714
Jablonowski 1743
Kinsky 1747
Sultkowsky 1752
Batthyany 1764
Clary 1767
Paar 1769
Belgiojoso 1769
Palm 1783
Grassalkovics
Bretzenheim 1790
Lynar 1806
Palffy 1807
Collalto 1822

Have a nice day 

greetings 

Falk Liebezeit
Diepholz 




[HN] Schmankerl DS14 Zähne

Date: 2003/05/14 23:17:26
From: Dietmar Seipt <Seiptd(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Mitforschenden

zur Entspannung von unserer Forschertätigkeit und zur Ermahnung seine Zähne nicht zu vergessen, hier ein kleiner Zeitungsartikel vom 25. August 1755 aus der "Zeitung" Nützliche Sammlungen, die im Königreich Hannover 2mal die Woche erschienen ist. Den Text habe ich im Original gelassen - also keine Änderungen vorgenommen. Der Text enthält keine Tippfehler von meiner Seite aus. Wenn es heißt "kan" (kann), dann wurde das im Original so geschrieben.

Beste Grüße
Dietmar Seipt

-------------------------------
Mittel, das wankende Zahnfleisch zu befestigen.

Wenn das Zahnfleisch von dem Käuen der Speisen sehr leicht niedergedrückt wird, und von den Zähnen abweichet; so fehlt es denselben an der gehörigen Festigkeit, welcher Fehler gemeiniglich von einer Corruption der Säfte im Zahnfleische herrühret, davon die zarten Fäserchen desselben zerfressen oder schlaff gemacht werden. Diese Corruption kan ihren Ursprung entweder aus dem Geblüte haben, welches überhaupt verdorben ist, wie beym Schaarbocke, oder sie kan auch von den faulenden Speisen und Säften zwischen den Zähnen und unter den Lippen entspringen, wenn man den Mund nicht reinlich hält und fleißig genug ausspühlet. Denn da das ganze Zahnfleisch ein Gewebe von lauter sehr subtilen Blutgefässen ist, so läst sich leicht erachten, daß die Feuchtigkeiten des Mundes in die Eröfnungen dieser kleinen Gefässe beständig hinein dringen müssen, da man dieses Eindringen der Dünste von auswendig nicht einmal auf der Haut des ganzen menschlichen Körpers leugnen kan, indem es die ansteckenden Krankheiten unwidersprechlich erweisen.

In dem Falle, wenn ein scorbutisches Geblüt das Zahnfleisch mürbe und wankend machet, findet eher keine dauerhafte Cur statt, als bis man das ganze Geblüt reiniget, und ihm seine natürliche Mischung wieder giebt. Alsdenn aber können eben die Mittel mit Nutzen gebraucht werden, dich ich unten vorschlagen will.

Wenn die verdorbenen Säfte und Speisen im Munde das Zahnfleisch mürbe und wankend machen, so muß man folgendergestalt verfahren, um es wieder zu befestigen:

1. Muß man den Mund täglich, sowol des Morgens, als auch jedes Mal nach Tische reinigen. Dieses kan am besten mit blossem frischen Wasser geschehen.

2. Muß man durch balsamische Säfte das Zahnfleisch wieder gesund machen, damit es sein natürliches Wachsthum wieder erhalte. Hierzu dienet unter andern vornehmlich folgendes Mittel: Man nimmt einen Theelöffel voll von den wässerigen Myrrhenextracte, (Extractum myrrhae aquosum) und thut ihn in eine Obertheetasse. Hierauf giesset man so viel warmes Wasser, daß sich der Myrrhenextract darin, durch Umrühren, auflöset, und von diesem Wasser nimt man jedes Mal, nachdem die Zähne ausgespühlet worden, etwas in den Mund, reibet damit das Zahnfleisch gelinde, behält es einige Minuten darin, speyet es wieder aus, u. wiederholet dieses einige mal.

3. Wenn man dieses, nach Proportion der Corruption des Zahnfleisches, eine oder mehr Wochen täglich gethan hat, und das Zahnfleisch seine gesunde Farbe wieder erhalten: so ist noch übrig, daß man den subtilen Fäserchen desselben ihre Kraft oder Spannung wieder gebe, und dieses wird durch ein zusammenziehendes Mundwasser erhalten. Hierzu ist das Decoct der Tormentillwurzel am geschicktesten. Nachdem man also den Mund mit Wasser zu gehörigen Zeiten ausgespühlet hat, nimt man nunmehr jedes Mal, statt des Myrrhenwassers, dieses Decoct lau in den Mund, und verfährt damit, wie mit dem Myhrrenwasser.

Auf diese Weise lässt sich das Zahnfleisch nicht allein wachsend machen, sondern auch wieder gehörig befestigen. Es verstehet sich, daß man nach Wiederherstellung des Zahnfleisches fortfahren müsse, den Mund täglich mit Wasser zu reinigen, und dann und wann die Zähne mit einem Zahnpulver, worin zugleich Myrrhen ist, abzureiben. Ich weiß aus vielen Erfahrungen, daß sich das Zahnfleisch auf diese Weise beständig gut und fest erhalten lässt.

Unter dieser Cur muß man weder solche Speisen, die eine fressende Schärfe haben, noch auch alzu harte Sachen geniessen, welche so zähe sind, daß die Zähne beym Käuen sehr tief und stark hinein gedrückt werden müssen. Denn in dem letztern Falle wird das weiche und noch nicht wieder gestärkte Zahnfleisch von den Zähnen immer wieder los gemacht und nieder gedrückt, gleichwie es im ersten Falle von der salzigen Schärfe wieder angefressen und mürbe gemacht wird.
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Also immer hübsch die Zähnchen putzen.

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[HN] Re: Rehburg

Date: 2003/05/16 16:08:27
From: Sudan1971 <Sudan1971(a)aol.com>

Hello Heinrich,

Is it still possible to find a book about the Rehburg area in Germany? Please 
let me know how to obtain a copy.

Thank you,
Suzanne Carey


[HN] Pastorenverzeichnis: ECKHARD

Date: 2003/05/17 22:02:59
From: Jürgen Eichler <juergen.eichler(a)haduloha.de>

Hallo zusammen,

gibt es für den Raum ein Pastorenverzeichnis?

Ich suche nach dem Superintendenten

ECK(H)ARD, Arnold

wurde 1678 Superintendent im Hannoverschen, nachdem er vorher Professor der Theologie in Rinteln war.
Sind von ihm Lebensdaten bekannt?

Viele Grüsse und einen schönen Sonntag
Jürgen


Re: [HN] Pastorenverzeichnis: ECKHARD

Date: 2003/05/17 22:51:56
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"Jürgen Eichler" <juergen.eichler(a)haduloha.de> schrieb:
> Hallo zusammen,
> 
> gibt es für den Raum ein Pastorenverzeichnis?
> 
> Ich suche nach dem Superintendenten
> 
> ECK(H)ARD, Arnold
> 
> wurde 1678 Superintendent im Hannoverschen, nachdem er vorher Professor der Theologie in Rinteln war.
> Sind von ihm Lebensdaten bekannt?
> 

Hallo Jürgen,

welchen Raum meinst Du denn? Es gibt ein 3-bändiges Verzeichnis "Die Pastoren der Landeskirchen Hannovers und Schaumburg-Lippes seit der Reformation". Darin erscheint der von Dir genannte aber leider nicht.

Trotzdem schönes Wochenende
Wilfried


AW: [HN] Pastorenverzeichnis: ECKHARD

Date: 2003/05/17 23:20:41
From: Ohlhoff <Ruth.Ohlhoff(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Jürgen,

in "Die Pastoren der Braunschweigischen Evangelisch-Lutherischen
Landeskirche" von 1974 findet sich folgender Eintrag:

Nr. 976 Eccard Heinrich Mag. * Rinteln 1661 + Wedlenstedt 5.10.1684
        DO (Dienstort)Wedtlenstedt
        Eltern: GenSup Heinrich *Gorsleben/Thür. 1615 + Alfeld 14.4.1669

	  oo 7.7.1680 Wedtlenstedt Elisabeth Steinhausen

	  Kinder nicht feststellbar

Ich hoffe, es hilft!

Ruth
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Wilfried Petersen
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Mai 2003 22:47
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: Re: [HN] Pastorenverzeichnis: ECKHARD


"Jürgen Eichler" <juergen.eichler(a)haduloha.de> schrieb:
> Hallo zusammen,
>
> gibt es für den Raum ein Pastorenverzeichnis?
>
> Ich suche nach dem Superintendenten
>
> ECK(H)ARD, Arnold
>
> wurde 1678 Superintendent im Hannoverschen, nachdem er vorher Professor
der Theologie in Rinteln war.
> Sind von ihm Lebensdaten bekannt?
>

Hallo Jürgen,

welchen Raum meinst Du denn? Es gibt ein 3-bändiges Verzeichnis "Die
Pastoren der Landeskirchen Hannovers und Schaumburg-Lippes seit der
Reformation". Darin erscheint der von Dir genannte aber leider nicht.

Trotzdem schönes Wochenende
Wilfried

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[HN] Re: [FamNord] Pastorenverzeichnis: ECKHARD

Date: 2003/05/18 09:35:57
From: \"Jrgen Eichler\" <juergen.eichler(a)haduloha.de>

Guten Morgen,

vielen Dank für die zahlreichen Antworten.

und jetzt die "Zusatzfrage": Lässt sich der Vater Jacob Eckhard in dem
hannoverschen Pastorenverzeichnis nachweisen? Oder wird Harpstedt zur
oldenburgischen Landeskirche gezählt?

Viele Grüsse und einen schönen Sonntag
Jürgen


D. theol. Arnold Esken (Eckard), Sohn des Pastors Jacob Eckhard in
Harpstedt,
1678-1685 Superintendent in Jeinsen (bei Pattensen/Leine, Calenberg), dort +
30.10.1685, vorher Prof. in Rinteln. Nur diese Angaben vorhanden in Ph.
Meyer
(Hg.), Die Pastoren der Landeskirchen Hannovers und Schaumburg Lippes seit
der
Reformation, 3 Bände, Göttingen 1941, 1942 und 1953.

Evtl. sind weitere Angaben zu finden in: Chr. G. Jöcher, Allgem.
Gelehrten-Lexikon,
4 Teile; Forts.: Bd. 1-6 von J. Ch. Adelung u. H. W. Rotermund; Bd. 7 hrsg.
von O.
Günther, Leipzig 1756-1897. Dies konnte ich jedoch nicht nachprüfen.

Grüße

Hans-Gottlieb Wesenick

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[HN] Re: Mailinglisten Südtirol/ Italien

Date: 2003/05/18 11:12:17
From: Hemshorn <Hemshorn(a)aol.com>

DANKE an alle, die mir bei der Suche nach obigen Mailinglisten behilflich waren.
Einen schönen Sonntag wünscht
Barbara Koubert

-- 
Weltweite Dauersuche zu folgenden Namen: HEMSHORN, STOLLBERG
Homepage: www.ahnenkloubert.de.tf



Re: [HN] Re: [FamNord] Pastorenverzeichnis: ECKHARD

Date: 2003/05/18 11:42:49
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

"\"Jürgen Eichler\"" <juergen.eichler(a)haduloha.de> schrieb:
> Guten Morgen,
> 
> vielen Dank für die zahlreichen Antworten.
> 
> und jetzt die "Zusatzfrage": Lässt sich der Vater Jacob Eckhard in dem
> hannoverschen Pastorenverzeichnis nachweisen? Oder wird Harpstedt zur
> oldenburgischen Landeskirche gezählt?
> 
> Viele Grüsse und einen schönen Sonntag
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> 
Moin Jürgen,

folgende Zusatzangabe aus Meyer; Die Pastoren...:

Lilienthal (Trupe):

1644-1646 Jakob ECKHARD, ord. im Dom zu Bremen, nachher Pastor in Harpstedt.

(1646 erhielt der Klosterpfarrer zu Lilienthal auch die Pfarrstelle in Trupe, und es entstand die 1720 endgültig kombinierte Gemeinde Trupe-Lilienthal.)

Ebenfalls schönen Sonntag
Wilfried


[HN] Suchnamen: BECKER, HABENICHT, CLASSEN, CLASZEN, MEYER, LUHMANN, MEIER, WILKENS,

Date: 2003/05/18 13:30:21
From: AndiStef <AndiStef(a)aol.com>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,
ich suche meine Vorfahren aus folgenden Orten: Hamburg, Bohndorf, Osten, 
Hildesheim, Düshorn, Walsrode

BECKER, Anna Maria Dorothea Louise - * 1768 in Düshorn - + 9.1.1832 in 
Hamburg St. Georg
(Eltern: BECKER, n.n. Glaser aus Walsrode und n.n.)
oo 1794 in Hamburg St. Georg
HABENICHT, Johann Conrad - * ?? Hildesheim, Töpfer - 
Kinder:
HABENICHT, Johann Carl Wilhelm Andreas - * 1798 in ? - wohnhaft 1832 in 
Hamburg St. Georg
HABENICHT, Metta Catharina Elisabeth - * 6.9.1808 in Hamburg
Oo 21.10.1832 in Hamburg 
CLASSEN/CLASZEN, Peter Ludewig Christian - *29.12.1803 in Hamburg 
(Eltern: CLASSEN, Peter Paul und BEHRING/BEHNING Dorothea)

LUHMANN, Johann Heinrich
oo
MEYER, Anna Dorothea
Kinder:
LUHMANN, Jürgen Friedrich - * 14.3.1789 in Bohndorf
Oo 9.6.1835 in Hamburg
MEIER, Maria - * 1.4.1799 in Osten 
(Eltern: MEIER, Dietrich und WILKENS, Marie)
Kinder:
LUHMANN, Johann Jürgen Friedrich- * 9.12.1835 in Hamburg
oo 17.2.1861 in Hamburg
CLASSEN/CLASZEN, Regine Helene Eleonore * 29.12.1839 in Hamburg

Vielleicht hat ja einer von Euch nähere Informationen für mich. Würde mich 
freuen.
Schönen Sonntag noch.
Andrea


Re: [HN] Ridderbusch usw.

Date: 2003/05/18 15:56:29
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Im Steinfelder Kirchenregister sind zwischen 1815 - 1878 9 Geburten mit den Namen Ridderhof, Ritterhof aufgeführt.
Die erste Geburt 29.03.1815 war illegitim von einem Johann Friedrich Ridderhof mit Maria Elisabeth Stuntebeck.

Dieser Name ist in der Gegend unbekannt, ich vermute ein durchreisender Soldat der bei seiner geliebten in Steinfeld geblieben ist.

Gruss Werner


> Sehr geehrte Familie rund Hannover,

> Unterzeichner halte sich beschäftigt (als Hobby) mit es zusammensetzen vom
> Register von Personen
> die als Familiename Ridderbusch, Ritterbusch, Ridderbosch, Ridderbos usw.
> haben.
> Obschon das Register jetzt 1195 Personen umfast (von 1433 zu Heute), sind
> da noch viele Hiatus
> (sicher im deutschem Gebiet).

> Wenn Sie ihre Mitwirkung wollen geben, senden Sie bitte die Antworten auf
> die folgende Fragen.

> 1.  Familiename und amtliche Vorname oder Vornamen.
> 2.  Geburtsdatum und Geburtsort.
> 3.  Sohn oder Tochter von: (Vater) und (Mutter).
> 4.  Ehedatum und Eheort.
> 5.  Familiename Gatte oder Gattin (und amtliche Vorname oder Vornamen).
> 6.  Geburtsdatum und Geburtsort von Gatte oder Gattin.

> Sind da Kinder: dasselbe Reihe einfallen bitte.

> Im voraus Dank und mit freundlichem Gruss,

> W.A.Ridderbos (Herr, geboren 1935 in Amsterdam).

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[HN] Abmeldung

Date: 2003/05/18 17:15:04
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,
Dear list members,

gesundheitliche Gründe haben mich veranlaßt, Ihre Liste zu verlassen.
Health problems were the reasons for leaving your list.

Vielen Dank für die Hilfen und Unterstützung.
Thank you for your help and support.

Hans-Georg Boyken
frisian(a)netins.net



[HN] Borstelmann's Zufallsfunde IV

Date: 2003/05/18 19:20:05
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Heinrich Borstelmann's Zufallsfunde aus seiner: "Familienkunde des alten Amtes 
Lüne", Lüneburg 1935

"...
- SIEVERS,Hans Hinr., Hh. in Heiligenthal, S. d. H. Hans Jürgen oo 1793 Anne     
  Cathr. MEYER aus Diersbüttel
- STE(E,H)R, Hinr. Wilh., S. d. + Jürgen Christ. in Velgen, oo 1788 in Embsen 
  Anne Magd. STELTER, T. d. + Joh. Chr. in Oerzen
- STEER, Friedr. Wilh., angehender Amtsschmiedemeister in Reinstorf, S. d. + 
  Webermeister Friedr. Wilh. in Bevensen, oo 1806 in Neetze Anna Dor. BERGMAN,   
  T.d. Sch(äfers;Erg.HPA) Nik. Hinr. in Holzen
- STEIN, Heinr., H. in Melbeck, eingeheiratet 1662 aus Bardowick, oo 1669 Melbeck 
  Elis. SCHRÖDER, T. d. David
- STRÖBEL, Joh.Phil, Kh.(= Kuhhirte; Anm.HPA) in Rohstorf um 1791 - 1795 ( aus   
  Altenmedingen, 1768 oo Cath.Marg. DEWITZ, T. d. Joh. Nicl.)
- TAUBE, Joh. Christ., Zimmergeselle aus Wolmirstadt, oo 1714 in Lüne Anne Marg. 
  MEIER, T. d. + Matthies in Melbeck
- THEDER, Joh., ein entlassener Dragoner, jetzt Förster über die von Estorffschen 
  Holzungen in Thomasburg, oo 1750 daselbst Margr. Elis. EBELING, T. des + 
  Försters Hanß Hinr. SCHWAREN über die genannte Holzung
- TIPPE, Jürgen Christ., angehender Hsw. in Holzen, S.d. + Bürgers Hans Jürgen zu 
  Bevensen (?), oo 1781 in Reinstorf Anne Cath. Wwe. des + Hsw. Jürgen Hinr.   
  PETERSEN in Holzen
- TÖPEN, Thomas von, Imker in Bilm, S. des + Hsw. Hans zu Wietzendorf, oo 1753 in 
  Lüne Ilsa Marg. KIRCHHOFF, Wwe. des + Carsten LEITZEN
- ULRICH, Joh. Heinr. Christ., Amtsdiener in Lüne, S. des + Schuhmachers Joh. 
  Friedr. in Uelzen, oo 1810 in Lüne Louise Dor. Magd. MEYER, T. des + Kirchen- 
  vorstehers Ernst Conrad in Adendorf
- WARNER, Hans Chr., angehender Einwohner in Erbstorf, S.des + Schäfers Hans 
  Jürgen in Buendorf, oo 1782 in Lüne Christiana Dor. WARNER, geb. GAUSE, Wwe. 
  des Schafmeisters Casten Wilh. zu Lentenau, wohnhaft in Erbstorf ..."
 
Is to be continued once more. Fortsetzung folgt noch einmal.   Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] Suchnamen: BECKER, HABENICHT, CLASSEN, CLASZEN, MEYER, LUHMANN, MEIER, WILKENS,

Date: 2003/05/18 19:20:06
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

AndiStef(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Liebe Listenteilnehmer,ich suche meine Vorfahren aus ... Bohndorf ...
LUHMANN, Johann Heinrich oo MEYER, Anna Dorothea
> Kinder:
> LUHMANN, Jürgen Friedrich - * 14.3.1789 in Bohndorf
> Oo 9.6.1835 in Hamburg
> MEIER, Maria - * 1.4.1799 in Osten 
> (Eltern: MEIER, Dietrich und WILKENS, Marie)
> Kinder:
> LUHMANN, Johann Jürgen Friedrich- * 9.12.1835 in Hamburg
> oo 17.2.1861 in Hamburg
> CLASSEN/CLASZEN, Regine Helene Eleonore * 29.12.1839 in Hamburg

Nur zur Versicherung ist Bohndorf = 29575 Altenmedingen gemeint ? In diesem Fall 
würden sich die Kirchenbücher möglicherweise wie jene Altenmedingens in Bad 
Bevensen befinden. Sofern ich die Erläuterungen von Jürgen Peter Ravens: Vom 
Bardengau zum Landkreis Lüneburg,Lüneburg 1985, S. 204 richtig verstehe gehörte 
dieses Bohndorf (Heute Landkreis Uelzen) 1852 verwaltungstechnisch zum Amt Lüne.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen                                        Hans Peter Albers



[HN] Hilfe: Deutsche Einwanderer nach Puerto Rico im 19.Jhd.

Date: 2003/05/19 02:48:54
From: Helge Muhl <helgemuhl(a)hotmail.com>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,
fuer meine Forschung uber deutsche Einwanderer nach Puerto Rico im 19. Jahrhundert suche ich nach Nachfahren folgender Personen aus dem Bremer Umkreis. Vielleicht war es einer Eurer Vorfahren!

Name geb. aus: Beruf Einreise Puerto Rico
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bose , Philipp ? Bremen Boettcher vor 1840 Brand, Tomas ? Lavenburg Uebersetzer 1816 Degener, Karl 1847 Bremen Angestellter 1879 Frese, Hans Nikolaus ? Bremen Kaufmann 1812 Fritze, Karl Heinrich ? Bremen Kaufmann vor 1850 Geller, Eduard ? Bremen Bauer 1833 Gruner, Karl Gustaf 1807 Bremen Bauer 1832 Geigling, Hermann 1833 Hannover Maschinist 1871 Koppisch, Eduard 1814 Bremen Kaufmann 1832 Kreger, Gaspar 1799 Bremen Boettcher 1831 Neander, Wilhelmine 1837 Hannover Hausfrau Pajeken, L ? Bremen Kaufmann 1834 Poten, Adolf 1820 in Leer Goettingen Kaufmann 1841 Precht, H.W. 1795 Bremen ? vor 1850 Reichard, Karl Wilhelm 1809 Muenden Kaufmann 1834 Rieckehoff, Herman ? Bremen Gutsverwalter 1832 Sanders, Georg ? Bremen Kaufmann 1892 Schroeder, Ferdinand ? Bremen Kaufmann 1846 Schroeder, Friedrich ? Bremen Kaufmann ? Schroeder, Gustaf Adolf 1800 Leer Kaufmann 1825 Schroeder, Hans Josef ? Waltringen Kaufmann ? Schroeder, Wilhelm ? Leer Kaufmann ? Stubbe, Johann Dietrich 1872 Bremen Angestellter 1895 Ehlers, August ? Hannover ? vor 1868 Frese Heinrich 1787 Bremen Bauer vor 1820 Freeden, ? Bremen Bauer vor 1830

Die Schroeders scheinen alle verwandt zu sein. Sie hatten an der Westkueste von Puerto Rico in drei Hafenstaedte Handelsniederlassungen. Kennt einer von Euch eine Handelsfirma "Lavenstedt" aus Bremen? Oder gibt es Dokumente ueber diese Firma?. Sie war sehr aktive in Puerto Rico. Leider finde ich hier in Puerto Rico keine Unterlagen ueber die Lavenstedt; sie wird nur in mehreren Dokumenten von Arecibo (Hafenstadt)erwaehnt.
Wuerde mich sehr ueber Eure mails freuen.
Gruss aus der Karibik
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Re: [HN] Suchnamen: BECKER, HABENICHT, CLASSEN, CLASZEN, MEYER, LUHMANN, MEIER, WILKENS,

Date: 2003/05/19 12:11:38
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

Thank you.
Once i get those boxes of papers sorted I can look up the Luhmans and see if those are okay for me. I did have someone listed as a sponser from Bohndorf. I also had a Clausen or Classen [ not sure at the moment which] listed as sponser.
Keep up the good work Hans Peter Albers


From: 320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de (Hans Peter Albers)
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Suchnamen: BECKER, HABENICHT, CLASSEN, CLASZEN, MEYER, LUHMANN, MEIER, WILKENS,
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 19:20:03 +0200

AndiStef(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Liebe Listenteilnehmer,ich suche meine Vorfahren aus ... Bohndorf ...
LUHMANN, Johann Heinrich oo MEYER, Anna Dorothea
> Kinder:
> LUHMANN, Jürgen Friedrich - * 14.3.1789 in Bohndorf
> Oo 9.6.1835 in Hamburg
> MEIER, Maria - * 1.4.1799 in Osten
> (Eltern: MEIER, Dietrich und WILKENS, Marie)
> Kinder:
> LUHMANN, Johann Jürgen Friedrich- * 9.12.1835 in Hamburg
> oo 17.2.1861 in Hamburg
> CLASSEN/CLASZEN, Regine Helene Eleonore * 29.12.1839 in Hamburg

Nur zur Versicherung ist Bohndorf = 29575 Altenmedingen gemeint ? In diesem Fall
würden sich die Kirchenbücher möglicherweise wie jene Altenmedingens in Bad
Bevensen befinden. Sofern ich die Erläuterungen von Jürgen Peter Ravens: Vom Bardengau zum Landkreis Lüneburg,Lüneburg 1985, S. 204 richtig verstehe gehörte dieses Bohndorf (Heute Landkreis Uelzen) 1852 verwaltungstechnisch zum Amt Lüne.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen Hans Peter Albers


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[HN] Sibilsky

Date: 2003/05/19 16:14:45
From: UlBrinker <UlBrinker(a)aol.com>

Hallo Liste,
wer hat nähere Unterlagen über :
1) Carl Sibilsky, von Beruf Mühlenbauer, wohnhaft Linden (Hannover), 
Haspelmathstr. 28,  ca.1885 
2) Berta Sibilsky, geb. K(C)orbach * 2.4.1851, eventuell, lt. IGI in 
Hausberge.
3) gemeinsame Tochter Friederike Dora, * 9.4.1885

Fritz Sibilsky, Mineralöle Hannover, nach dem 2ten Weltkrieg, wohnhaft 
Eilenriede.
An der Geschichte vorgenannter Firma und auch an Personendaten besteht 
Interesse. 

mit freundlichen Grüßen

U. Brinker
ulbrinker(a)aol.com



[HN] Friedrich Karl Hille of Dommitzsch

Date: 2003/05/19 16:53:39
From: Margaret Miesterfeld <mahm(a)globaldsl.net>

Dear List Members,

I am searching for information on my husband's grandfather:

WILHELM FRIEDRICH HILLE
 born 03 June 1857, Dommitzsch, Kingdom of Saxony
 died 29 Sept 1924, York, York County, Pennsylvania
 buried   Sept 1924, Mt. Olivet Cemetery, Hanover, Penn.
 married 30 July 1885 in Wertheim, Germany to:
CHARLOTTE SOPHIA AMTHAUER
 born 30 July 1863 in Wertheim, Germany

His father:
FRIEDRICH KARL HILLE
born abt. 1825, Dommitzsch, Saxony, Germany
His mother:
CHRISTINA HEINRIETTA AMALIE STRAUCH
born abt. 1830, Dommitzsch, Saxony, Germany
Children:
1.  SISTER.....married Tornow
2.  SISTER.....married Ruiss
3.  WILHELM FRIEDRICH HILLE

WILHELM FRIEDRICH HILLE immigrated to Manitoba, Canada about 1896 to farm
the land.  He and his wife had five children in Germany:
SOPHIAH born 1 Mar 1886 in Wertheim, died 19 Mar 1887 in Wertheim
JOHANN GEORG born 6 Mar 1887 in Wertheim
ROSA  born 19 Nov 1889 in Wertheim
WALTER born 11 Oct 1892 in Wertheim
WILHELM born 27 Jan 1894 in Hamburg, Hesse
ELSA born 27 Jul 1898
ANNA born 03 Dec 1900
SOPHIAH FRIEDA born 26 Aug 1904
ALWINE RICHARD born 20 Mar 1908

With kind regards,
Margaret Miesterfeld




Re: [HN] Friedrich Karl Hille of Dommitzsch

Date: 2003/05/19 19:20:52
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

If you are looking for documents, you have the information necessary for the
FHC in your area, or to write to the church in Germany. You can use
http://members.cox.net/hessen/telephones.htm for addresses.

:-)
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margaret Miesterfeld" <mahm(a)globaldsl.net>
I am searching for information on my husband's grandfather:



[HN] Re: Hannover-L digest, Vol 1 #972 - 7 msgs

Date: 2003/05/19 20:41:36
From: AndiStef <AndiStef(a)aol.com>

Lieber Hans Peter Albers,
vielen Dank für den Hinweis. In der Tat ist dieses Bohndorf gemeint.
Haben Sie noch weitere Hinweise? Bin für alles dankbar.
Viele Grüße - Andrea


Nur zur Versicherung ist Bohndorf = 29575 Altenmedingen gemeint ? In diesem 
Fall 
würden sich die Kirchenbücher möglicherweise wie jene Altenmedingens in Bad 
Bevensen befinden. Sofern ich die Erläuterungen von Jürgen Peter Ravens: Vom 
Bardengau zum Landkreis Lüneburg,Lüneburg 1985, S. 204 richtig verstehe 
gehörte 
dieses Bohndorf (Heute Landkreis Uelzen) 1852 verwaltungstechnisch zum Amt 
Lüne.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen                                    Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] Re: Hannover-L digest, Vol 1 #972 - 7 msgs

Date: 2003/05/19 23:32:42
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

AndiStef(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Lieber Hans Peter Albers,
> vielen Dank für den Hinweis. In der Tat ist dieses Bohndorf gemeint.
> Haben Sie noch weitere Hinweise? Bin für alles dankbar.
> Viele Grüße - Andrea

Hätte noch ein paar LUHMANN aus der Nachbarschaft von Bohndorf, teils auch ein 
paar Kilometer weiter, habe neulich auch Im KB St.Michaelis, Lüneburg Luhmann 
gesichtet aber nicht kopiert. Hier die Erwähnungen des Namensvorkommens nach dem 
schon häufiger zitierten Borstelmann, hier S.75:

"Luhmann:1533 Rohstorf Clawes Luman, H(öfner)., noch 1535 - 1549 Wendisch-Evern 
Hans Luman - 1594 Wendhausen Engelcke Ludemhan, H. - 1789 Uebertragung der 
Diersenschen Kotstelle zu Embsen auf Joh. Chr. Luhmann; später (1795) Christ. 
Ludwig Freymuth daselbst - 1795 Melbeck Joh. Christ. Luhmann, Krüger - 1930 
(Luhmann) Radenbeck 1 Altent. - Luhmann = 1) einer von der Luhe stammend, 2) von 
Lindman (ahd. liut "Volk")"

Des weiteren verzeichnet das Einwohner- und Heimatbuch für Stadt und den 
Landkreis Lüneburg für das Jahr 1958 in Lüneburg (Postcode heute 21335 bis 
21339):
- Luhmann, Friedr.- Wilh., Salzstr. a.Wasser 1a
- Luhmann, Grete, GartArb, Dörnbergstr. 1a
- Luhmann, H., Brauerei u. Malzfabrik, Salzstr. a. Wasser 1-2, Ruf 4137
- Luhmann, Helene, Hausfrau, Kuhstr. 13
- Luhmann, Helene, Rentnerin, Auf dem Meere 39
- Luhmann, Wilhelm, Kaufm., Salzstr. a.W. 1a

Bohndorf gehörte da jedoch bereits lange zum Landkreis Uelzen, wofür ich das 
Adressbuch nicht habe. Die archivierten Stammtafeln und Ahnenlisten in der 
Genealogischen Bibliothek in Hamburg, Alstertwiete 11, geöffnet Mi. 16-20h00 wird 
weitere Luhmann-Hibweise enthalten. Auf den Soziolgen Niklas Luhmann, der aus 
Lüneburg stammte, brauche ich sicherlich nicht zu verweisen. Er ist der in 
jüngster Zeit wohl bekannteste Träger dieses Namens. Da Jo Meyer (Gutt Morgan) 
auch an LUHMANN interessiert ist, bitte ich um eine kurze Nachricht von ihr, wenn 
es übersetzt werden sollte oder anderweitig erklärt werden muß, Abkürzungen etc..

Mit besten Grüßen                                            Hans Peter Albers



[HN] FADDLEMANN

Date: 2003/05/20 03:18:26
From: Al and Marjorie Rosendahl <mrosend(a)ties.k12.mn.us>

Hello listers:
Has anyone heard of the name Faddlemann, Faddelmann,Fadelmann, (also other
spellings)from Hannover?
Could it be a variation of Vatermann, Vadelmann, Waterman?
Thanks!



Re: [HN] FADDLEMANN

Date: 2003/05/20 11:12:48
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Al and Marjorie Rosendahl schrieb:
> Hello listers:
> Has anyone heard of the name Faddlemann, Faddelmann,Fadelmann, (also other
> spellings)from Hannover?
> Could it be a variation of Vatermann, Vadelmann, Waterman?
> Thanks!

There is no one with one of this name today in Germany as far as I could find. 
There are even no Vatermann (only Väterlein) or on one of the other variations. 
What sounds a bit similar is "Vaterna(h)m" as a second name, but today not very 
often in the area of former Hannover, Kingdom or town. The only similiarity in 
speaking out your "Faddel ...", I can find with the name of an Island in Hamburg 
in the river "Elbe", that is written "Veddel". Maybe it is an idea, that will 
guide further, if the really sense has been "a man from the Veddel". But I 
would´'t put too much in it as a name-finding-possibile over here, because as 
far as I know, there had been no buildings of the second name after the island. 
If at all it must be a creation of name after immigration. As there is sense in 
the English "fad" with no corresponding sense to your suggested German readings, 
I would almost say no to this transforming theory and would look for a name 
builded in an English spoken origin. Perhaps someone else knows better or more to 
your question.

Greetings                                                    Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] Ridderbusch usw.

Date: 2003/05/20 13:40:38
From: W.A. Ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl>

Herr Werner,

Dank für die Information.
Ridderhof ist schade kein Ridderbusch.

W.A.Ridderbos aus Holland,

----- Original Message -----
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Ridderbusch usw.


Im Steinfelder Kirchenregister sind zwischen 1815 - 1878 9 Geburten mit den
Namen Ridderhof, Ritterhof aufgeführt.
Die erste Geburt 29.03.1815 war illegitim von einem Johann Friedrich
Ridderhof mit Maria Elisabeth Stuntebeck.

Dieser Name ist in der Gegend unbekannt, ich vermute ein durchreisender
Soldat der bei seiner geliebten in Steinfeld geblieben ist.

Gruss Werner


> Sehr geehrte Familie rund Hannover,

> Unterzeichner halte sich beschäftigt (als Hobby) mit es zusammensetzen vom
> Register von Personen
> die als Familiename Ridderbusch, Ritterbusch, Ridderbosch, Ridderbos usw.
> haben.
> Obschon das Register jetzt 1195 Personen umfast (von 1433 zu Heute), sind
> da noch viele Hiatus
> (sicher im deutschem Gebiet).

> Wenn Sie ihre Mitwirkung wollen geben, senden Sie bitte die Antworten auf
> die folgende Fragen.

> 1.  Familiename und amtliche Vorname oder Vornamen.
> 2.  Geburtsdatum und Geburtsort.
> 3.  Sohn oder Tochter von: (Vater) und (Mutter).
> 4.  Ehedatum und Eheort.
> 5.  Familiename Gatte oder Gattin (und amtliche Vorname oder Vornamen).
> 6.  Geburtsdatum und Geburtsort von Gatte oder Gattin.

> Sind da Kinder: dasselbe Reihe einfallen bitte.

> Im voraus Dank und mit freundlichem Gruss,

> W.A.Ridderbos (Herr, geboren 1935 in Amsterdam).

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Re: [HN] Ridderbusch usw.

Date: 2003/05/20 14:26:57
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

"W.A. Ridderbos" schrieb:
> Herr Werner,
> Dank für die Information.
> Ridderhof ist schade kein Ridderbusch.
> W.A.Ridderbos aus Holland,
******************************************************************* 
> Im Steinfelder Kirchenregister sind zwischen 1815 - 1878 9 Geburten mit den
> Namen Ridderhof, Ritterhof aufgeführt.
> Die erste Geburt 29.03.1815 war illegitim von einem Johann Friedrich
> Ridderhof mit Maria Elisabeth Stuntebeck.
> Dieser Name ist in der Gegend unbekannt, ich vermute ein durchreisender
> Soldat der bei seiner geliebten in Steinfeld geblieben ist.
> Gruss Werner
******************************************************************
Hallo lieber Herr Ridderbos,

ich komme gerade aus einer Genealogischen Forschunsstelle hier in
der Nähe von Esslingen und habe dort den 

Film mit der Nummer: 1800810 (Teil 1-14)
Hannover: 	Kreuz Kirche, (Nebenbücher)
	Geburten / Trauungen / Begäbnisse
	1853 bis 1874 durchgeschaut.
In diesen Kirchenbüchern gibt es "RIDDERBUSCH", nicht viele
aber einige. Leider habe ich mir die genauen Fundstellen nicht
gemerkt aber die Handsschriften sind groß und sehr gut zu lesen.
Gruß
Klaus (Vahlbruch) aus Deizisau am Neckar



[HN] Hessen Research

Date: 2003/05/20 16:00:57
From: Margaret Miesterfeld <mahm(a)globaldsl.net>

Thanks Don,

I will get busy and use your good advice.

Margaret Miesterfeld



Subject: Re: [HN] Suchnamen: BECKER, HABENICHT, CLASSEN, CLASZEN, MEYER, LUHMANN

Date: 2003/05/20 18:39:51
From: AndiStef <AndiStef(a)aol.com>

Lieber Hans-Peter Albers,
vielen Dank für diese Informationen, ich werde mal sehen, ob ich eine 
Verbindung herstellen kann (vielleicht über Taufpaten o.ä.).
Mit Jo Meyer war ich schon einmal im letzten Jahr in Kontakt, wir sind über 
den Namen Meyer über das Luhmann-Message-Board bei Ancestry.com zusammen 
gekommen, habe dann aber nichts wieder gehört. Vielleicht ja jetzt.
Viele Grüße
Andrea Lange





[HN] Broeker- Bueker surnames

Date: 2003/05/20 19:25:11
From: RITA BROEKER <gardenwench4(a)msn.com>

Hello ,


   I am new to this list and I hope to futher my  genealogy research .

   I am looking for John Martin Broeker 19 yrs of age, emmigrated 1849 to USA

   settled in Missouri, Franklin County. Married Mary Bueker, who emmigrated in 

  1843 with her parents- Henry and Mary Bueker. They also settled in Missouri

   Franklin County, outside the town of Washinton.
   
  I really need to find John Martin Broeker's parents, I suspect they didn't emmigrate. I could be wrong on that point.

      Thank You


                                                      Rita Broeker

[HN] Böse in Rieda/ LK Verden

Date: 2003/05/20 19:31:30
From: "Jürgen Rode" <j.rode(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Liste,

wer kann mir bei foldender Suche behilflich sein.

Johann Dierk BÖSE * um 1761 in Rieda/Verden  + 27.01.1813 Ganderkesee

Vater des o.g. ist Carsten BÖSE, Heuerling in Rieda. Weitere Daten sind mir leider nicht bekannt. Die Anschrift der zuständigen Kirche wäre auch sehr Hilfreich.

Vielen Dank


Jürgen Rode
53229 Bonn

http://home.t-online.de/home/j.rode

Re: [HN] Broeker- Bueker surnames

Date: 2003/05/20 20:15:47
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

I'm confident that your searching must begin where the immigrant died, and
work your way back from there. Once you "cross the pond" you'll probably
discover that his name was Johann Martin Broeker. If he had brothers named
Johann (a common practice), he probably went by his middle name, Martin -
you will want to research both. The name is very common. Going directly to
Gemany will not be helpful. You can check http://familysearch.org, and if
you are really into research, read http://members.cox.net/hessen/hsstory.htm
. Although written for Hessen, it contains valuable insights into research
that could be helpful. Remember to discover WHO, WHERE, WHEN, the FAITH or
CONFESSION, and WHAT you need to know, in order to present that information
to those who try to be of assistance.

:-)
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "RITA BROEKER" <gardenwench4(a)msn.com>
I am looking for John Martin Broeker 19 yrs of age, emmigrated 1849 to USA



Re: [HN] Broeker- Bueker surnames

Date: 2003/05/20 20:18:41
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Rita,

is Broeker's are catholic?
In this case it could this family came from Landkreis(county) Lingen.
The emigration book of the Lingen area shows a Jan Dirk Bröcker from Schapen, parish Schapen and 5 Bröker also from Schapen.
Not a John Martin Broeker is listed.

Werner


> Hello ,
>    I am new to this list and I hope to futher my  genealogy research .
>    I am looking for John Martin Broeker 19 yrs of age, emmigrated 1849 to
>    USA settled in Missouri, Franklin County. Married Mary Bueker, who
>    emmigrated in 1843 with her parents- Henry and Mary Bueker. They also settled in
>   MissouriFranklin County, outside the town of Washinton.
>   I really need to find John Martin Broeker's parents, I suspect they
>   didn't emmigrate. I could be wrong on that point.



Re: Subject: Re: [HN] Suchnamen: BECKER, HABENICHT, CLASSEN, CLASZEN, MEYER, LUHMANN

Date: 2003/05/21 02:57:14
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

I am very sorry andrea for not responding back. I went to mesage board and reread the messages. I guess i must have thought you empahasized the fact that those i had asked about had died before 1830. In my case Maria Elisbeth Clasen of Bohndorf was sponser to Maria Elsabeth Meyer b. 1804. church records say Bohnendorff = Bohndorf. Catharine Elisabeth Riess was also a sponser. To be a sponser she must already be twenty at this year. I remember thinking that the years were wrong. Thinking that you already had realized this.
The other thing I had was this
b. dec. 15, 1814 Johann Christoph Luhmann married a widow Anna Dorothea Elisabeth Meier or Meyer r from Sueschendorf in May 15, 1859. He was estate manager in Ventschau and died on July 27, 1873. I believe the dates were wrong with the death dates I think you gave. Also not the same area.

I apologige for not writing back. I didn't realize you were still waiting. The Key in my mind is that Mr Luhmann of Dahlenburg area told me that his Luhmanns in America had been secondary teacher and were in Minnesota. I STILL am not sure what secondary teacher is to those in germany. Would that be college teacher or high school? I did hear from the Luhmanns of Ottertail county of Hendricks, Mn. Nothing fits. Perhaps I should send to Bohndorf and find these people. But I don't have anything except their name and that they were sponser to my ancestor. Or maybe try the microfilm of Morman church.

Something is bothering me about this data. It was done by a kind amateur who said lucky for me he enjoyed it. However, I am not entirely sure about the accuracy. Mr Jonas of Dahlenburg has nearly the same wedding of that Johann Christoph Luhmann and a Anna Dorothea Meier getting married. same date and year.The thing I am not sure about is which churches. Perhaps this Johann Christoph is not even mine. After all My Luhmann of Dahlenburg does not even know. I may have to have this data verified. I hate to ask the person at the church to do all this.

ASSUMPTIONS
There was a meyer listed on the first page of this same information source just as Heinrich Meyer and date the same as someones death. I assumed it was the other one. One should not assume in genealogy. i shall write to the gentlemen or to the church.

I have to digest this information that has been on lately and figure what is meant with translations................ I still have the email Andrea and haven't dismissed your family possibilty of something....

From: AndiStef(a)aol.com
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Subject: Re: [HN] Suchnamen: BECKER, HABENICHT, CLASSEN, CLASZEN, MEYER, LUHMANN
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:39:46 EDT

Lieber Hans-Peter Albers,
vielen Dank für diese Informationen, ich werde mal sehen, ob ich eine
Verbindung herstellen kann (vielleicht über Taufpaten o.ä.).
Mit Jo Meyer war ich schon einmal im letzten Jahr in Kontakt, wir sind über
den Namen Meyer über das Luhmann-Message-Board bei Ancestry.com zusammen
gekommen, habe dann aber nichts wieder gehört. Vielleicht ja jetzt.
Viele Grüße
Andrea Lange




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[HN] LUHMANN, CLASEN

Date: 2003/05/21 05:00:39
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Dear Jo Meyer and  Andrea Lange,

here is another marriage Luhmann out of the region: "1902 Hch. Christ Hermann 
HAHN oo Marie Doroth. Frieda LUHMANN, Arendorf" This entry can be found in 
Chronik des Dorfes Melbeck from Georg Melbeck, Lüneburg 1965. After that this 
couple lived on the farm no.6 in Melbeck. "Hch." should be the abbreviation for 
"Heinrich", Arendorf, where the bride came from was about as far west from 
Melbeck as Bohndorf lies east of Melbeck.

Another short word to "second teacher". At this time, 19th century the normal 
case were village schools, where one teacher had one or more classes were all the 
pupils from 6 to about 14 out of the village set in one room. The village people 
had to pay the teacher. So it was a hard decision for them to pay a second one, 
if needed because of great number of pupils as it at once doubled the costs. By 
that is given one reason why it was counted exactly: the first teacher, the 
second and sometimes even the third teacher. In one way expression of wealthyness 
of the village, on the other hand luxury and burdon. But as the teacher was a 
person of reputation and influence as one of the few educated people, who did 
some studies outside the little village world, the old or first teacher had an 
interest to keep his position a bit more outstanding. This was expressed in the 
counting, first, second ...and so on teacher and it was at the same time 
expression of real hierarchy and wages. The first of the two was the "director".

In contrary to that "secondary school" lateron, let us say almost end of 19th 
century and at least first half of 20th century, should be translated to German 
with "Höhere Schule". The visit here included old speeches as Latin and Greece, 
lasted longer as up to 14, lead to the qualification to go to an university 
afterwards, but meant at all possibility to the better position in life and work. 
"Professor Unrat" in the film "Der Blaue Engel" with Marlene Dietrich played the 
role of such an "Studienrat" at a secondary school, although not with the typi- 
cal career. 

If the place and the dates of marriage of your Luhmann/Meyer-connection is the 
same, Jo Meyer, one should already be very certain of personal identity. In most 
cases in this region there was usually only one church at a place.

There was a Kh.= Kuhhirte in Bohndorf in 1689 named Franz CLASEN. Source for that 
as so often Borstelmann ... 
 
Greetings                                                      Hans Peter Albers




RE: [HN] FADDLEMANN

Date: 2003/05/21 23:11:15
From: Al and Marjorie Rosendahl <mrosend(a)ties.k12.mn.us>

Thank You Hans Peter....this is really my "brick wall".
Marjorie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Hans Peter Albers
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:13 AM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] FADDLEMANN
>
>
> Al and Marjorie Rosendahl schrieb:
> > Hello listers:
> > Has anyone heard of the name Faddlemann, Faddelmann,Fadelmann,
> (also other
> > spellings)from Hannover?
> > Could it be a variation of Vatermann, Vadelmann, Waterman?
> > Thanks!
>
> There is no one with one of this name today in Germany as far as
> I could find.
> There are even no Vatermann (only Väterlein) or on one of the
> other variations.
> What sounds a bit similar is "Vaterna(h)m" as a second name, but
> today not very
> often in the area of former Hannover, Kingdom or town. The only
> similiarity in
> speaking out your "Faddel ...", I can find with the name of an
> Island in Hamburg
> in the river "Elbe", that is written "Veddel". Maybe it is an
> idea, that will
> guide further, if the really sense has been "a man from the
> Veddel". But I
> would´'t put too much in it as a name-finding-possibile over
> here, because as
> far as I know, there had been no buildings of the second name
> after the island.
> If at all it must be a creation of name after immigration. As
> there is sense in
> the English "fad" with no corresponding sense to your suggested
> German readings,
> I would almost say no to this transforming theory and would look
> for a name
> builded in an English spoken origin. Perhaps someone else knows
> better or more to
> your question.
>
> Greetings                                                    Hans
> Peter Albers
>
>
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[HN] BITTINGER & FIERK[E]

Date: 2003/05/22 02:42:06
From: BZanon <BZanon(a)aol.com>

Good day listmembers

My maternal great grandparents, PHILLIP BITTINGER and CAROLINE [CARRIE]
FIERK[E]are my brick walls to date.  Phillip was born in Eimsheim,
Rhineland, Germany and Caroline was born in Germany, unknown where.
They married somewhere in Illinois, made their home and raised their
children in Elgin, Kane County, Illinois until their deaths.  Maybe
today will be my lucky day and someone on this list is also looking for
or found my brickwall.  Thank you for your time.

Beverly Mack Zanon


Re: [HN] BITTINGER & FIERK[E]

Date: 2003/05/22 02:45:36
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

you did post this to the 
ilkane-L(a)rootsweb.com,
right?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BZanon(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:42 PM
Subject: [HN] BITTINGER & FIERK[E]


Good day listmembers

My maternal great grandparents, PHILLIP BITTINGER and CAROLINE [CARRIE]
FIERK[E]are my brick walls to date. Phillip was born in Eimsheim,
Rhineland, Germany and Caroline was born in Germany, unknown where.
They married somewhere in Illinois, made their home and raised their
children in Elgin, Kane County, Illinois until their deaths. Maybe
today will be my lucky day and someone on this list is also looking for
or found my brickwall. Thank you for your time.

Beverly Mack Zanon

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[HN] Schools in Hannover

Date: 2003/05/22 04:08:21
From: KurtKathKels <KurtKathKels(a)aol.com>

Dear Hannover list,

Thank you so much for your information on schools, Hans Peter Albers.  
Fascinating.  Do you or anyone on the list know what a "Hauptschule" would be?     I 
saw this in 1840s records, Osten, Hannover.  I assume that it is older 
levels.  Is that correct? 

Thank you for your help.

Sincerely,
Katherine



Re: [HN] Schools in Hannover

Date: 2003/05/22 04:34:59
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

Haupt = Main, Schule = School, or the main school. However, the dictionary
translates it as "Intermediate School". "Hochschule" (high school) is the
equivalent of college in Germany. I'm guessing that it is between elementary
school and "Hochschule."

:-)
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: <KurtKathKels(a)aol.com>
anyone on the list know what a "Hauptschule" would be?



[HN] Przybille--Perhpas this one has been discussed before.

Date: 2003/05/22 06:01:41
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

490 Related Family Members
Entries: 27122 Updated: Wed May 21 15:37:24 2003 Contact: Roger Engelken

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ID: I13181
Name: Hermann Heinrich Wilhelm Meyer
Sex: M
Birth: 30 NOV 1907 in Bremen, City State of Bremen, Deutschland 1
Death: 18 SEP 1978 in Bremen, Bremen, Deutschland 1

Father: Hermann Georg Carl Meyer b: 30 APR 1880 in Scheeßel, Hannover Provinz, Königreich Prussen, Deutsche Kaiserreich Mother: Wilhelmine Catharine Marie Beckmann b: 31 DEC 1883 in Harpstedt, Hannover Provinz, Königreich Prussen, Deutsche Kaiserreich

Marriage 1 Ella Erna Adele Przybille b: 8 FEB 1910 in Bremen, City State of Bremen, Deutschland
Married: 12 OCT 1935 in Bremen, Bremen Länder, Deutschland 1
Children
Living Meyer
Living Meyer

Sources:
Jürgen Ernst Wilhelm Meyer Family Tree, received 24 Mar 1997
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ID: I13181
Name: Hermann Heinrich Wilhelm Meyer
Sex: M
Birth: 30 NOV 1907 in Bremen, City State of Bremen, Deutschland 1
Death: 18 SEP 1978 in Bremen, Bremen, Deutschland 1


Perhpas this one has been discussed before. or no bearing. but had to send it anyway. Father: Hermann Georg Carl Meyer b: 30 APR 1880 in Scheeßel, Hannover Provinz, Königreich Prussen, Deutsche Kaiserreich Mother: Wilhelmine Catharine Marie Beckmann b: 31 DEC 1883 in Harpstedt, Hannover Provinz, Königreich Prussen, Deutsche Kaiserreich

Marriage 1 Ella Erna Adele Przybille b: 8 FEB 1910 in Bremen, City State of Bremen, Deutschland
Married: 12 OCT 1935 in Bremen, Bremen Länder, Deutschland 1
Children
Living Meyer
Living Meyer

Sources:
Jürgen Ernst Wilhelm Meyer Family Tree, received 24 Mar 1997

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[HN] Hannover-Stadtplan

Date: 2003/05/22 10:53:41
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listige,

ich bin auf der Suche nach einem historischen Plan der Stadt
Hannover, in dem möglichst die Kirchen eingezeichnet sind.

Hat mir jemand einen Hinweis auf einen Link oder hat jemand
einen scan, den er mit direkt zukommen lassen könnte?
Meine e-mail-adresse: <Klaus-Moni-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Herzlichen Dank schon mal vorab.
Klaus (Vahlbruch) aus Deizisau am Neckar



RE: [HN] Hannover-Stadtplan

Date: 2003/05/22 11:37:29
From: neustrag <neustrag(a)bluewin.ch>

Hallo Moni, leider kein Angebot nur ein Interesse
an diesem Plan
Danke Lilo
Es gibt ein Buch mit den alten Strassennamen, kann mehr sagen wenns dich
interessiert
>-- Original-Nachricht --
>From: klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de (Vahlbruch)
>To: "[HN] Hannover-Liste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: [HN] Hannover-Stadtplan
>Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:54:03 +0200
>
>
>Hallo Listige,
>
>ich bin auf der Suche nach einem historischen Plan der Stadt
>Hannover, in dem möglichst die Kirchen eingezeichnet sind.
>
>Hat mir jemand einen Hinweis auf einen Link oder hat jemand
>einen scan, den er mit direkt zukommen lassen könnte?
>Meine e-mail-adresse: <Klaus-Moni-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>
>
>Herzlichen Dank schon mal vorab.
>Klaus (Vahlbruch) aus Deizisau am Neckar
>
>
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Re: [HN] Hannover-Stadtplan

Date: 2003/05/22 12:05:37
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

neustrag(a)bluewin.ch schrieb:
> 
> Hallo Moni, leider kein Angebot nur ein Interesse
> an diesem Plan
> Danke Lilo
> Es gibt ein Buch mit den alten Strassennamen, kann mehr sagen wenns dich
> interessiert
**************************************************************

Hallo Lilo,

hoppla, 
ich bin der "Klaus" aus dem Duo "Kloni & Maus",
Moni ist meine Frau aber ich reagiere gerne auch auf diesen "Ruf".
Ja, an dem Buch mit den alten Straßennamen bin ich sehr intressiert.
Hast du mir mal den:
	Autor, Titel, Verlag, Jahr des Erscheines, etc.
Ich würde mal vrsuchen das dann im Antiquariat oder über ZAV
zu bekommen.

Wenn ich einen Hinweis auf einen historischen Stadtplan bekomme,
dann denke ich an Dich.

Gruß Klaus (Vahlbruch) aus Deizisau am Neckar



Re: [HN] Hannover-Stadtplan

Date: 2003/05/22 12:26:48
From: neustrag <neustrag(a)bluewin.ch>

Sorry Klaus
weiss nicht , muss alte Unterlagen durchsuchen obs das ist:
Gruss Lilo
Die Straßennamen der Landeshauptstadt Hannover / Helmut Zimmermann. - Hannover
: Hahn, 1992 
ISBN:  3-7752-6120-6  

  Verfügbarkeitsinformation der Bibliotheken 
       < 35> Hannover, Niedersächsische Landesbibliothek  
    < 56> Braunschweig, Stadtbibliothek  
    < 115> Hannover, Stadtbibliothek  
    < 1996> Göttingen, Zentralkatalog Niedersachsen  
    < 3707> Hannover, Evangelisch- lutherische Landeskirche Hannover  
    < Hv 14> Hannover, Bibliothek des Niedersächsischen Landtags  
 

>-- Original-Nachricht --
>From: klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de (Vahlbruch)
>To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover-Stadtplan
>Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:05:34 +0200
>
>
>neustrag(a)bluewin.ch schrieb:
>> 
>> Hallo Moni, leider kein Angebot nur ein Interesse
>> an diesem Plan
>> Danke Lilo
>> Es gibt ein Buch mit den alten Strassennamen, kann mehr sagen wenns dich
>> interessiert
>**************************************************************
>
>Hallo Lilo,
>
>hoppla, 
>ich bin der "Klaus" aus dem Duo "Kloni & Maus",
>Moni ist meine Frau aber ich reagiere gerne auch auf diesen "Ruf".
>Ja, an dem Buch mit den alten Straßennamen bin ich sehr intressiert.
>Hast du mir mal den:
>	Autor, Titel, Verlag, Jahr des Erscheines, etc.
>Ich würde mal vrsuchen das dann im Antiquariat oder über ZAV
>zu bekommen.
>
>Wenn ich einen Hinweis auf einen historischen Stadtplan bekomme,
>dann denke ich an Dich.
>
>Gruß Klaus (Vahlbruch) aus Deizisau am Neckar
>
>
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Re: [HN] Schools in Hannover

Date: 2003/05/22 13:42:31
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Dear Katherine,

the meaning of "Hauptschule" at the time you refer is a school in the village 
where the church is located, i.e. in the principal village of the parish. 
There were additionally to the Hauptschule some so-called "Nebenschulen" in other 
smaller villages of the same parish which I would translate into secondary 
schools.

In case of Osten the situation abt. 1840 was the following:

There was one "Hauptschule" in Osten itself. Since 1838 Johann Friedrich 
Flickenschildt was teacher of this school. He was born on 25.05.1811 at Neuhaus on 
the Oste. In 1838 he married Sophia Dorothea Schulte from Bargstedt. They had 
9 children. J.F. Flickenschildt (who died on 05.07.1879) was the best known 
teacher in the nothern part of the Kingdom of Hannover. He published 
school-books in mathematics which were used even in foreign countries.

Additionally following "Nebenschulen" existed in the parish of Osten:
in Achthöfen, Altendorf, Nord-Isensee, Süd-Isensee, Obernaltendorf, Oberhüll 
und Niederhüll.

Moreover, the village Osten had 4 private schools with few pupils only.

Sincerely,
Albin von Spreckelsen


[HN] Hannover-Stadtplan

Date: 2003/05/22 16:19:56
From: Hermann Ropers <Hermann.Ropers(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,
versucht es doch einmal bei der Landesvermessung + Geobasisinformation Niedersachsen http://www.lgn.de/ .
Im Menue unter Produkte - Landkarten - Historische Karten gibt es mehrere historische Karten, unter anderem 4 Karten von Hannover.

Gruß
H. Ropers

Re: [HN] Schools in Hannover

Date: 2003/05/22 17:27:37
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

Super response! Thanks for the information!

:-)
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>


Dear Katherine,

the meaning of "Hauptschule" at the time you refer is a school in the
village
where the church is located, i.e. in the principal village of the parish.



Re: [HN] Hannover-Stadtplan

Date: 2003/05/22 21:08:30
From: Heinz Bredthauer <Heinz.Bredthauer(a)t-online.de>

Vahlbruch schrieb:
> 
> Hallo Listige,
> 
> ich bin auf der Suche nach einem historischen Plan der Stadt
> Hannover, in dem möglichst die Kirchen eingezeichnet sind.
> 
> Hat mir jemand einen Hinweis auf einen Link oder hat jemand
> einen scan, den er mit direkt zukommen lassen könnte?

Hallo Klaus,

dem zweiten Band der "Kopfsteuerbeschreibung der Fürstentümer
Calenberg-Göttingen und Grubenhagen von 1689", 1941 herausgegeben
von Max Burchard, war ein Stadtplan von Hannover aus dem Jahr
1689 (inkl. Erläuterungsheft) beigelegt. Der Plan hat etwa
A0-Format. Ich weiß nicht, ob die Auflösung einer "normalen"
Digitalkamera ausreicht, um den Plan formatfüllend so aufzunehmen,
daß die einzelnen Beschriftungen vernünftig dargestellt werden.
Ich werde am Wochenende mal einige Experimente durchführen
und dann darüber berichten.

Hoffe geholfen zu haben

Heinz
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Re: [HN] Schools in Hannover

Date: 2003/05/23 00:52:18
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Dear Katherine,
>
> the meaning of "Hauptschule" at the time you refer is a school in the village 
> where the church is located, i.e. in the principal village of the parish. 
> There were additionally to the Hauptschule some so-called "Nebenschulen" in
> other smaller villages of the same parish which I would translate into seconda- 
> ry schools.

Sorry for having some doubts in parts of that description, because the regular 
form of scholl in the towns were also "Hauptschulen", not only those in the 
villages. The branch schools of same ecucation-level may have been guided at 
special times by a central school. This was also the developement in villages 
with increasing population and progressing school administration, a developement 
which lead in the end to the vanishing of the traditional village schools. But 
the English "secondary school" has a fixed term, which can aproximatively only be 
translated only with the German "Höhere Schulen" or "Gymnasium". That is also the 
answer to Don Watson question, what was or is between elementary and high school, 
if high school is identical to "Hochschule", what is almost the same as universi- 
ty here. Unfortunately in the 19th century and also later on, there was almost no 
permeability from "Hauptschule" to "Höhere Schule", so local opportunities deter- 
mined very early in childrens life later coming on, from village schools normally 
lead no way to higher education and by that to better social coming along.

> In case of Osten the situation abt. 1840 was the following: ...

I am very envy, because I hadn´t had these detailed and concrete facts about the 
surched Osten schools, which Albin von Spreckelsen could give. Very good work. 

Sincerely                                                     Hans Peter Albers



[HN] Familienbuecher Raum Wolfenbuettel - Family books in Wolfenbuettel area

Date: 2003/05/23 11:08:39
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[For english translation see below]

Hallo zusammen,

mit Erlaubnis der Autorin Karina Kulbach-Fricke
<Karina.kf(a)t-online.de> darf ich folgende e-Mail an diese Liste
weiterleiten. Karina ist nicht Mitglied dieser Liste. Nachfragen zu
einzelnen Namen bitte ich daher direkt an die Autorin zu senden.

Viele Grüße

Jürgen
--------- Beginn Weiterleitung ----------
Zu Ortsfamilienbüchern Raum Wolfenbüttel:
Ich habe für  Rhode samt Filialen (Ahmstorf, Rennau, Rottorf) die
Kirchenbücher von Beginn bis etwa 1850 ausgewertet, auch Heiligendorf
und Neindorf, aber für einen kürzeren Zeitraum (bis etwa 1750),
außerdem Döhren im benachbarten Sachsen bis etwa 1800, und alles zu
Familienbüchern zusammengestellt. Leider habe ich diese Arbeit in
meiner "Vor-Computerzeit" angefertigt, sie liegt also nur
handschriftlich vor. Ich gebe aber gern Auskunft.

Umgekehrt wäre ich an Kontakten mit Forschern dieser Gegend
interessiert, und zwar für die Familien:
Achilles, Anfelt, Appel, Bachmann, Balcken, Bartels, Bartram, Bastian
sive Kranz, Bauermeister, Beckmann, Behm, Behrens, Beutnagel,
Bevenroth, Bischof, Bode, Bohnstedt, Bortfeld, Bosse, Caurs/Coers,
Dammüller, Deersmann, Deumeland, Drüsedau, Eggestein, Evers,
Frederichs, Fricke, Fröhlich, Gieseke, Gils, Gödeke, Gramme, Grashoff,
Groning, Grote, Grotevend, Günther, Gummers, Haers, Haeveker,
Halwasse, Hardeweg, Hardiges, Heine, Heineken, Heinemann, Heinrichs,
Helmke vulgo Bätje, Herbst, Hermanns sive Micheels, Hövers, Holtzberg,
Honemann, Hoppe, Jäger, Jelpke, Kahle, Karman, Keyendorf, Klauenberg,
Klintzmann, Klockenthör, Knigge, Koch, König, Konike, Kranz, Kruse,
Lambrecht, Lehrmann, Lippelt, Lodal, Loer, Ludewig, Lüders,
Mahrenholz, Markwort, Möser, Moller, Müller, Niemann, Nortmann,
Ohrdorf, Ohse, Osterloh, Pape, Pape/Völs, Pape vulgo Rustenbeck,
Peekmann, Poppen, Pricke, Rabbas, Rasche, Rauch, Reinhard, Rembling,
Riekewold, Rosenthal, Sangemeister, Schaper, Schnelle, Schoppe,
Schurmann, Schultze, Senft alias Nettelröhr, Siman, Sivers, Södders,
Stolte, Theger, Timme, Tönnies, 
Vahlberg, Vehse, Veltman, Völs, Wahnschape, Weddige, Willeke, Witte.

Mit freundlichem Gruß - Karina Kulbach-Fricke
-------------------- Ende Weiterleitung ------------------
------------ Start of Englisch translation ---------------
Hello!

Karina Kulbach-Fricke <Karina.kf(a)t-online.de> allowed me to forward
the above E-Mail to this list. Karina isn't a member of this list,
therefore please send request about certain names directly to her.
This is a translation of the first part of her email. The second part
lists names that appear in those church books:

> Regarding "Ortsfamilienbücher" (books with all families living 
> in a specific place) in the area of Wolfenbuettel:
>
> I edited the churchbooks for the village of Rhode and its 
> surroundings (Ahmstorf, Rennau, Rottorf) from the beginning till 
> 1850. I also did this for Heiligendorf and Neindorf till about 1750 
> also for the village of Döhren in nearby Lower Saxony till 1800.
>
> I created family books from this data, but did this in my pre 
> computerized area. Therefore all this information is only available 
> as scripts, not in a computer. Nevertheless I'll provide information 
> about these family books.
>
> I'd also like to get in contact with researchers for the above area,
> especially for families with these surnames [see list of surnames in 
> german part of this message]


Kind regards, 

Juergen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                         38106 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


[HN] NaturalizationRecords.com / NY Intentions online 1832-37

Date: 2003/05/23 21:39:34
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/nyintent_a1833.shtml

Hint: Let the page load. Scroll DOWN to read the intro and
the list of all A surnames. Underneath the table of "A"
surnames are the choices of all other surname letters.

Here is a typical entry on the page (URL given above)

Surname; First Name; Page; Date; Remarks
Agar; Jeremiah; 40; Oct. 11 1832
Alley; Michael; 185; Nov. 1 1832
Allen; Robert; 278; Nov. 6, 1832; naturalized same day

This set of records is *NOT* the same as Naturalization Records indexes
1821-1991 online at AlbanyCounty.com.

Robin Tweed, another wonderful volunteer, is working on the next set of
records, Books 4,5 & 6. These cover the time  period Apr. 1837-Apr. 1843. I
have Surname A, and part of C  online for this database, but keep watching
for the rest. They will be uploaded as Robin transcribes them.

"A" surnames for 1837-1843 are found at
 http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/nyintentbk4-6_a.shtml

Let the page load, then scroll down to see the list of
names. Oh, and as always on Olive Tree Genealogy and its
sister sites, ALL records are FREE to use.

Please go ahead and pass this note on to anyone or any list
you think might be interested.



Re: [HN] Hannover-Stadtplan

Date: 2003/05/24 13:11:22
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Klaus,

Ich habe da eine Kopie von einem Plan in dem Du die Altstadtkirchen finden wirst. Ich kann Dir davon eine Kopie in dem Brief mitschicken, den ich gerade für Dich vorbereite.


Herzliche Grüße,

	Christoph



-- 
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Am Friedenstal 1/3
D-30627 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
www.haupt-researcher.de



"Vahlbruch" <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Hallo Listige,
> 
> ich bin auf der Suche nach einem historischen Plan der Stadt
> Hannover, in dem möglichst die Kirchen eingezeichnet sind.
> 
> Hat mir jemand einen Hinweis auf einen Link oder hat jemand
> einen scan, den er mit direkt zukommen lassen könnte?
> Meine e-mail-adresse: <Klaus-Moni-Vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>
> 
> Herzlichen Dank schon mal vorab.
> Klaus (Vahlbruch) aus Deizisau am Neckar
> 
> 
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[HN] Warnecke

Date: 2003/05/24 21:54:07
From: Vertrees <fofo(a)accessus.net>

Looking for the parents of my Great Grandfather, Christian Wilhelm Warnecke, born 8 Feb. 1832, Hanover.  He came to America in 1850's and was a member of Salem Ev. Lutheran Church in Black Jack, St. Louis Co., MO.   If you could give me the names of his parents or the Chnurch he attended, maybe I could order records from FHL (Mormans)   Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Vertrees Hood


Re: [HN] Warnecke

Date: 2003/05/24 22:17:04
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

Was he from the Kingdom of Hanover, the huge city of Hannover, or the
smaller town just northwest of Bremen? If you have that info it makes
searching the church archives easier. Did the Lutheran church in Black Jack
keep records of their German members?

:-)
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vertrees" <fofo(a)accessus.net>
Looking for the parents of my Great Grandfather, Christian Wilhelm Warnecke,
born 8 Feb. 1832, Hanover.  He came to America in 1850's and was a member of
Salem Ev. Lutheran Church in Black Jack, St. Louis Co., MO.



Re: [HN] Warnecke

Date: 2003/05/25 02:00:12
From: JO. <info(a)vanmookkleinbreteler.com>

In the Netherlands is a city called LEIDEN.
Two famous names are still in this city.
One is the family WARNECKE and the other is BUSH(Yes Presidents Fathers
Family is from LEIDEN)Formely written:LEYDEN.
JvM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vertrees" <fofo(a)accessus.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:54 PM
Subject: [HN] Warnecke


> Looking for the parents of my Great Grandfather, Christian Wilhelm
Warnecke, born 8 Feb. 1832, Hanover.  He came to America in 1850's and was a
member of Salem Ev. Lutheran Church in Black Jack, St. Louis Co., MO.   If
you could give me the names of his parents or the Chnurch he attended, maybe
I could order records from FHL (Mormans)   Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
> Vertrees Hood
>
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>



Re: [HN] Warnecke

Date: 2003/05/25 07:40:55
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

Vertrees schrieb:
> Looking for the parents of my Great Grandfather, Christian Wilhelm Warnecke,
>  born 8 Feb. 1832, Hanover.  He came to America in 1850's and was a member of
>  Salem Ev. Lutheran Church in Black Jack, St. Louis Co., MO.   If you could
>  give me the names of his parents or the Chnurch he attended, maybe I could
>  order records from FHL (Mormans)   Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Vertrees Hood
>
Hello Vertrees Hood,

Just to illustrate, not to demoralize you, how difficult it will be to find the 
right person without further given details of place let me tell you this. I 
looked into the telephone-book for Hannover 1995 and found about 150 WARNECKE and 
additional 30 WARNEKE, that is only for the town. If you go through the parish- 
book of the town Hannover you might be lucky by the birth-date. These will most 
probably be stored at least in copy in the "Niedersächsische Staatsarchive". But 
if it is meant the former Kingdom of Hannover, that means thousands of possible 
places and an increase of possible families WARNE(C)KE by the factor 16, because 
town Hannover has about 500.000 people, Lower-Saxony about 8 million, will make 
about 3000 WARNE(C)KE with telephone in the region of former Kingdom of Hannover.
As one has to start anywhere, to find at last, I give you the one marriage 
WARNECKE, I noticed up to yet, taken from an former family-researcher named 
Borstelmann:

"- Warnecke, Joh.Friedr., Krüger und Branntweinbrenner in Neetze, S.d. Warnecke, 
Hh. in Harmstorf, 1808 in Neetze oo Dor.gen Wendel, Wwe. des Hh.Warnecke."

translation:

Warnecke, Joh. Friedr., innkeeper and distiller in Neetze, son of Warnecke, 
farmer with a "Halbhof" in Harmstorf, married 1808 in Neetze Dor. named Wendel, 
widow of a farmer Warnecke, also with an "Halbhof".

"Hh." = "Halbhof" means the farm was of aproximately middle bigness in its region

Sincerely                                                     Hans Peter Albers



[HN] Nach Zaandam, Niederlande, ausgewandert 1675 - 1756

Date: 2003/05/25 14:03:25
From: Heinz Promann <heinz-promann(a)web.de>

Hallo,

in der Maus-Liste gab es die nachfolgende Übersicht (Dank an Laurita!):
Vielleicht gibt es noch weitere Interessenten?

Gruß Heinz

> In einer eMail vom 24.05.03 21:31:42 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop.
> Sommerzeit schreibt
> R.Keijzer(a)WKTHS.NL:
>
>
> >
> > Hier eine lange Liste mit namen von Leute aus Deutschland, die
> nach Zaandam
> > gezogen sind und da Mitglied der Evangelische Kirche wurden.
> Hoffentlich ist
> > alles entzifferbar, die Liste ist ursprünglich geschrieben in
> > alt-Holländisch, und die Ortsnamen waren manchmal nicht so gut
> bekannt. Des Scriba hat also
> > raten müssen aus welchen Gegend jemand gekommen ist.
> >
> > Miet freundlichen Grüssen,
> >
> > Richard Keijzer
> >
> >
> >
> > Die Liste:
> >
> > Franciscus Petri Med. Doct. van Franckfort 11.4.1675
> >
> > Jan Janses van Ottens 14.4.1675 in Oldenborgerlandt
> >
> > Laurens Beeckman van Dantzig 14.4.1675
> >
> > Diedlof Westfaelen jm.van Oldenborch 7.7.1675
> >
> > Franciscus Petri van Franckfort 12.7.1675 med.Doct.
> >
> > Jochem Brom jm. van Lubeck 25.12.1675
> >
> > Hendrick Jansen van Brunschen 25.12.1675 sticht Osnabruck
> >
> > Elsge Beermans van Dortmondt 25.12.1675
> >
> > Maertge Cornelis van Legeralift 25.12.1675
> >
> > Frederick Jansen van Menslagen 5.4.1676
> >
> > Antge Baarens uijt Brandeborgh 5.4.1676
> >
> > Popge Jansen uijt Jeverlandt 5.4.1676
> >
> > Gerrit Breuricksen van Oldenborch 5.4.1676
> >
> > Hermen Lubbersen uijt Jeverlandt 5.4.1676
> >
> > Jurgen Kreeger van Ditmarden 5.4.1676
> >
> > Gerrit van Linthelen uijt Oldenborch 5.4.1676
> >
> > Elsge Pieters uijt Oldenborch 5.4.1676 vrou v. G. v. Linthelen
> >
> > Arent Bagenacs van Brams 5.4.1676
> >
> > Johann Ernest Beijntzig van Breslau 12.10.1676 chirurg
> >
> > Andries Martensen van Fredickstadt 25.12.1676
> >
> > Harmen Kramer van Osnabruch 25.12.1676
> >
> > Annetge Jans jd.van Hamborgh 18.4.1677
> >
> > Trijntge Boermans jd.van Dortmond 18.4.1677 vrou v. H.Baerentsen
> >
> > Gertruijdt Quaedbeeck van Dortmond 18.4.1677
> >
> > Hans Maas van Veemen in Holsteijn 11.7.1677
> >
> > Frans Hendricksen uijt Holsteijn 10.10.1677 kort nadien overleden
> >
> > Eulalia Petri oud 62 j. van Giesen 29.10.1677 moeder v. dominee
> >
> > Casnar Theunissen jm. van Dortmond 25.12.1677
> >
> > Caspar ....... jm. van Dortmond 25.12.1677
> >
> > Lijsbet Dircks uijt het stigt Vreemen 10.4.1678
> >
> > Abraham Pieters van Franckfort aen den Meijn 10.4.1678
> >
> > Johan Adolf Henningsen van Sleeswig 10.4.1678 chirurgus
> >
> > Hendrick Bawer uijt Beijerland 3.7.1678 soldaet
> >
> > Johannes Smidt van Augsborg 3.7.1678 soldaet
> >
> > Barent Kock van Munsterland 9.10.1678 in't karspel Lining
> >
> > Borcherd Borcherdsen uit Oldenborgerland 25.12.1679
> >
> > Marie Jans uit Oldenborg 25.12.1679
> >
> > Paulus Jansen van Kollenborch 21.4.1680
> >
> > Jan Thomassen van Herfort 21.4.1680 in Westfalen
> >
> > Roelof Jansen uit Oldenburgerlandt 14.7.1680
> >
> > Anna Maria van Hamborg 13.10.1680 een arme vrouw
> >
> > Jan Dorman van Oldenborch 13.10.1680 man v. Elsje Pieters
> >
> > Elsje Pieters van Holstein 13.10.1680 vrou v. Jan Dorman
> >
> > Annetje Paulus van Flensborg 6.4.1681
> >
> > Hilletje Jans van Hoesem 6.4.1681
> >
> > Joost Joosten uit Oldenborgerland 6.4.1681
> >
> > Gregorius Simons van Koningsbergen 25.12.1681 m. v. Trijntje Andr.
> >
> > Hans Jochemse Augustinus jm.van Lubek 25.12.1681
> >
> > Simon Laurents Numens van Narva 25.12.1681 uit Liesland
> >
> > Henrik Hennings van Sleswig Holstein 25.12.1681 barbiersgesel
> >
> > Gritje Claas van Hoesem 5.7.1682
> >
> > Burchard Kroon van Braunswijg 11.10.1682
> >
> > Francina Struis van Cleeve 18.4.1683
> >
> > Christian Jurgensen van Flensborg 4.7.1683
> >
> > Henrick Stoffelsen uit Brandenborg 4.7.1683 uit de Marck
> >
> > Frederick Ommen van Dooren 25.12.1683 in Oostvriesland
> >
> > Volckje Alberts van Volckziel 25.12.1683 in Oostvriesland
> >
> > Johannes Lindheimer van Franckfurt 25.12.1683 scholier
> >
> > Beatrix Fransen van Sleswig 2.4.1684
> >
> > Godfried Oostermaijer van Oldenborg 25.12.1684
> >
> > Dirck Jansen van Breemen 8.7.1685
> >
> > Pieter Vink uit Meldorp 7.10.1685 in Holstein
> >
> > Marten Dircksen van Menslagen 25.12.1685
> >
> > Hans Petersen Beldsted van Flensborg 25.12.1685 schipper
> >
> > Herman Willem van Witlagen 25.12.1685 in't sticht Osnabrug
> >
> > Margriet Wolters van Dortmond 25.12.1685
> >
> > Jan Gerretsen van Osnabrug 14.4.1686
> >
> > Jan Caspersen van Dortmond 14.4.1686
> >
> > Nicolas Luther Jacobsen van Hammelbeen 14.4.1686 in Holstein
> >
> > Christoffel Jansen van Bronsbuttel 7.7.1686
> >
> > Engeltje Tobias van Fredrickstad 7.7.1686
> >
> > Matthias Pauelsen van Hamborg 7.7.1686
> >
> > Daniel Timmerman van Lubeck 7.7.1686
> >
> > Reinold Hendrik Been van Dantzig 25.12.1686 scholier
> >
> > Anna Elsebe van Altendorp 30.3.1687 in de marck Brandenborg
> >
> > Caspar Harmensen van Witlage 30.3.1687 in't sticht Osnabrug
> >
> > Johan Ostermeijer uit Oostvriesland 30.3.1687
> >
> > Pieter Pietersen Uilendal van Swellem 6.7.1687 in't Ceulsland
> >
> > Hendrik Albertsen uit Oldenborg 6.7.1687
> >
> > Hans Petersen uit Ditmarsen 6.7.1687
> >
> > Laurents Knoop van Bremen 12.10.1687
> >
> > Johan Henrik Kissel van Hatten 25.12.1687 in de Elsas, neef v. Dn.
> >
> > Jan Hermansen van Braams 25.12.1687 in't sticht Osnabrug
> >
> > Teerling de Vries uit Oostvriesland 18.4.1688 m. v. B. v. Wessem chir
> >
> > Christian Wolter van Braunswijg 27.6.1688
> >
> > Maria Elisabeth Littauwin van Berlin 27.6.1688
> >
> > Paulus Clasen uit Oldenborgerland 10.10.1688
> >
> > Johan Joost Meijer van Osnabrug 10.10.1688 man v. Maria Lommers
> >
> > Jan Pietersen van Heiden 10.10.1688 in Ditmarsen
> >
> > Jan Juriaansen van Osnabrug 25.12.1688
> >
> > Anna Catharina Oostermeijers van Oldenborg 10.4.1689
> >
> > Coert Hendriksen van Haij 16.10.1689 in't sticht Osnabrug
> >
> > Herman Meijer van Osnabrug 16.10.1689
> >
> > Andries Vogel van Lubek 16.10.1689 stuurman
> >
> > Henrik Mastorp van Bremen 14.10.1691
> >
> > Rijk Ottensen jm.uit Oostvriesland 14.7.1692 Maneger
> >
> > Deijtje Gerrits uit Oldenborgerland 14.7.1692
> >
> > Coert Coertsen uit Oldenborgerland 17.10.1692
> >
> > Jannetje Gerrets uit Ceulseland 17.10.1692
> >
> > Theunis Henriksen Gulmond van Veeren 25.12.1692 bij Bremen
> >
> > Andries Gulmond van Veeren 25.12.1692 broer v.Theunis
> >
> > Henrik Harmensen van Hoekzijl 25.12.1692 in Oostvriesland
> >
> > Dirk Dirksen Pluiger van Dortmond 25.12.1692
> >
> > Christoffel Joris van Wittenberg 22.3.1693 in Saxen
> >
> > Henrik Lingelbeel van Hannover 22.3.1693
> >
> > Ellert Hendrikzen van Oldenborg 22.3.1693
> >
> > Johan Christoffer uit Coerland 22.3.1693
> >
> > Jan Leendertzen van Oldenborg 22.3.1693
> >
> > Gerd Kopersmit van Essen 11.10.1693
> >
> > Theunis Theunissen van Oldenborg 25.12.1693
> >
> > Johan Leo Krause van Darmstad 11.7.1694 chirurgijn
> >
> > Claas Jentjes uit Oldenborgerland 11.7.1694
> >
> > Harmentje Barents van Breemen 11.7.1694
> >
> > Jacob Petersen Wittkop jm. van Norden 25.12.1694
> >
> > Volkert Nantjes uit Oostvriesland 3.4.1695
> >
> > Jan Beller van Bassen 10.7.1695 in Oldenborgerland
> >
> > Bartelt Kluitsteen van Oldenborg 2.10.1695 backersknecht
> >
> > Victor Eisen de Vries uit Oostvriesland 25.12.1695
> >
> > Matthijs Scholvijn van Stettijn 25.12.1695 chirurg
> >
> > Helena Petri van Sardam 25.12.1695 dochter v.d. dominee
> >
> > Lambert Mennen van Norden Paaschen 1696
> >
> > Christiaan Bloem jm.van Dantzig 25.12.1696
> >
> > Christian Strieder van Leijpsig 25.12.1696
> >
> > Jan Willemzen uit Osnabrug 14.7.1697 van t'sticht
> >
> > Georg Frederik Heiland uit Turingen 25.12.1697 chirurgijn/dienaar
> >
> > Alexie Parizewits Moscovische prins  25.12.1697 bij de Czaar
> (=Czar Peter
> > der Grosze)
> >
> > Catrina Walckmans jd.van Dortmond 25.12.1697
> >
> > Christian Gies jm.van Rostock 25.12.1697
> >
> > Hans Adam Meijerman van Augsburg 30.3.1698
> >
> > Jan Remke van Eekerenveerde 6.7.1698 in Holstein, backersknecht
> >
> > Marten Nieuman van Lubek 4.7.1700
> >
> > Annetje van Tielen van Sweid 25.12.1700 in Oldenburgerland
> >
> > Barent Hendriksz van Hamborg 25.12.1700
> >
> > Fredrik Fredrikz van Bremen 9.10.1701 man v. Marijtje Jans
> >
> > Marijtje Jans van Sardam 9.10.1701 vrouw v. Fredrik Fredrikz
> >
> > Regina Warner van Koningsbergen 3.10.170. hiaat, attest.v.Amsterdam
> >
> > Johan Tanindrich Winckler van Leipzig 7.4.1708
> >
> > Gottfried Benadicts Catszov van Leipzig 7.4.1708
> >
> > Christoph Erach Breitschrach van Leipzig 7.4.1708
> >
> > Gottfried Wilhelm Bosen van Leipzig 7.4.1708
> >
> > Andreas Mijer van Werningerrode 9.7.1708
> >
> > Steffen Kropius van Silt 3.7.1709 in Holstijn
> >
> > Jan Albert Mijer van Wimmer 3.7.1709 stift Osnabruck
> >
> > Claus Hemtede van Dalsper 3.7.1709 in Oldenburgerland
> >
> > Andries Taalman van Koningsbergen 22.9.1709
> >
> > Andreas Schagt van Hamburg 25.9.1711
> >
> > Juriaan Hardbeek van Braamsche 25.9.1711
> >
> > Jan Werdel van Joenheim 16.6.1712 in de Palts
> >
> > Dirk Suhlinger van Stolhamb 4.12.1712 in't graafschap Oldenburg
> >
> > Jan Janssen Menke uit Oldenburgerland 19.12.1712
> >
> > Frederik Claassen Kuelken van Scharmbeek 9.7.1713 bij Bremen
> >
> > Frederik Frederikzen Huisman van Waarvliet 24.9.1713 bij Bremen
> >
> > Nantje Nantjes oxman van Lengen 30.9.1714 in Oostvriesland
> >
> > Hendrik Jochems Boon van Menslagen 18.4.1715
> >
> > Thomas Janszen Muhlman van Menslagen 18.4.1715
> >
> > XXX Kochet van Regensburg 16.7.1715
> >
> > Berent Jurkhof van Neustad 24.12.1716 uit het Oldenburgerland
> >
> > Christiaan Gustav Gildehaus van Osnabrugge 23.5.1717
> >
> > Maria Elisabeth Schreuder van Oldenburg 28.6.1717
> >
> > Jurgen Warner Joons van Reebuttel 23.9.1717 in't Bronswijkerland
> >
> > Karsten Bukje van Waarfliet 23.9.1717 man van Beecke
> >
> > Christiaan Brand van Roigwolden 19.10.1718
> >
> > Johan Harmen Mijer van Oldenburg 19.10.1718
> >
> > Jochem Loowedder uit Holstein 19.10.1718
> >
> > Jan de la Vallee van Keulen 10.7.1719
> >
> > Erik Haje van Barnfliet 18.12.1719 uit Kirchspiel
> >
> > Nanning Jurriez van Jeverland 14.3.1720 uit Karspal Wijer
> >
> > Andries Meijer van Hanover 3.10.1720
> >
> > Susanna Veer van Frankfort 4.10.1720
> >
> > Harmen van Sende uit Menslagen 25.12.1720 in't Osnabrugse
> >
> > Jan Henderikse Kuif van Menslagen 25.12.1720
> >
> > Anthonij Boos van Menslagen 25.12.1720
> >
> > Johan Ammerman van Moordorf 13.4.1721 uit Oldenborgse
> >
> > Helmer Helmerse uit Westphalen 27.7.1721
> >
> > Gerrit Schut van Osbabrug 27.7.1721
> >
> > Dorothee Schoonhenne van Hagen 27.7.1721 in't Hanoverse
> >
> > Michael Hadtnan uit Artsen 12.10.1721 in't Hanoverse
> >
> > Sijmen Matteuse Keer van Abeurades 12.10.1721 in Holsteijn
> >
> > Enno Vellinga van Embden 25.12.1721
> >
> > Jan Swart uit Dantzig 25.12.1721 m. v. Engeltje Hegters
> >
> > Grietje Derk van Eesen 25.12.1721 in Oostvriesland
> >
> > Anna Geertruij Schulten van Barkhausen 25.12.1721 stift Osnabrug
> >
> > Johan Jurgen Bergstede uit stift Bremen 5.4.1722
> >
> > Hendrik Lensstebe uit Badeberg 5.4.1722 in't stigt Bremen
> >
> > Caspar Schults van Beiten uit Silesien 5.4.1722
> >
> > Arent Gerrit Stutp van Diling 12.7.1722 in't Brandenburgsche
> >
> > Jacob Wog van Straalsont 12.7.1722 in Pomeren
> >
> > Johan Gerrit Paulusz uit Sleeswijk 11.10.1722
> >
> > Christiaen van Nilisze uit Holstein 25.3.1723
> >
> > Philip Fillink van Essen 25.3.1723
> >
> > Johan Otje uit Oldenburg 25.3.1723
> >
> > Fredrik Kreuger uit Brandenburg ..7.1723
> >
> > Jochem Dietlof Visser uit Brandenburgse ..7.1723
> >
> > Dirk Dirksen Snels van Barnvliet 10.10.1723 in't Oldenburgse
> >
> > Karsten Harts uit Noortdorp 10.10.1723 in't Holsteinse
> >
> > Johan Biechling van Magdeburg 10.10.1723 M:D:
> >
> > Katrine Jans van Hamburg 10.10.1723
> >
> > Jurge Manesie Schonevelt van Lubeck 25.12.1723
> >
> > Frederikje Holere van Emmerik 16.4.1724 backer
> >
> > Kasper Mering van Dortmont 16.4.1724
> >
> > Hendrik Steeper uit Holstein 14.10.1724
> >
> > Davit Sak van Koningsbergen 14.10.1724
> >
> > Balthasar Ackkeling van Embden 26.3.1725
> >
> > Aaltje Borkens van Breemen 26.3.1725 attest.v.Delft
> >
> > Cornelis Ackes van Oostvriesland 26.3.1725
> >
> > Jan Pieterse van Fredrickstat 7.10.1725
> >
> > Magdalena Elisabet Davits van Husum 7.10.1725
> >
> > Antje Giebens uit Oostfrieslant 21.4.1726
> >
> > Kristoffel Glagru van Koningsbergen 4.9.1726
> >
> > Hans Radeuhl uit Rostok 4.9.1726
> >
> > Hans Henrik Smit uit Holstein 4.9.1726
> >
> > Johan Caspar Welmann van Dortmundt 6.7.1727
> >
> > Julianus Lubeck van Aldesbach 6.7.1727 uit Silesien att. A'dam
> >
> > Jannetie Hendriks van Esens 28.3.1728 in Oostvrieslant
> >
> > Johan Christoffer Schulte van Mengede 28.3.1728 in Mark
> >
> > Hermanus Bolcamp van Bremen 27.6.1728 de kok, att. v. Rieman
> >
> > Jacob Werndel van Bertolsgaden 27.6.1728
> >
> > Heike Alberts de Groot van't ijland Selt 27.6.1728
> >
> > Thomas Schoneborn van Beileben 27.6.1728 bij Magdeburg
> >
> > Jan Jansen van Engerhove 26.9.1728 in Oostvrieslant
> >
> > Johan Hacke van Lunden 26.9.1728
> >
> > Carel Christoffel Leester van Gnoen 26.9.1728 bij Rostok
> >
> > Johan Christoffel Meinke van Magdeburg 26.9.1728
> >
> > Johan Justus Imbden van Flechtorff 26.9.1728
> >
> > Jurgen Christian Peters van Lunden 25.12.1728 in Holstein
> >
> > Anna Catarina Voigts van Ehedinghausen 25.12.1728
> >
> > Carsten Hain van Berne 17.4.1729 kirchspiel
> >
> > Tobias Linneman van Osnabrug 17.4.1729
> >
> > Johan zur Horst van Menslagen 17.4.1729 in sticht Osnabrug
> >
> > Pieter Hops van Bremen 24.7.1729
> >
> > Catharina Maria Boecamp van Gohfald 24.7.1729
> >
> > Jurgen Esenberg uit Hessen 9.10.1729
> >
> > Jan Wessel Piek van Mengden 9.10.1729
> >
> > Anna Witte van Meijgerkoog 9.4.1730 Holstein v. v. Anth. Ovenhui.
> >
> > Frans Klaassen Harre van Bonneken 9.4.1730 in Holstein
> >
> > Hendrik Kulken uijt Oldeburgse 16.7.1730
> >
> > Adelbert Margreta Luken van Oldenburg 16.7.1730
> >
> > Willem Hendrik Lucken van Oldenburg 16.7.1730
> >
> > Johan Berend Imbusch van Menslage 16.7.1730
> >
> > Albert van Beusekom uijt't Brandenburgze 8.10.1730 tuijnman
> >
> > Christina Frederica Judits Schonhennen uijt Hannoverse 8.10.1730
> >
> > Adolf Hendrikse van Hil 8.10.1730 in't Brandenburgse
> >
> > Evert Janse van Jever 25.12.1730 11 jaar slaaf in Turkije
> >
> > Diederick Schumacker uijt stift Osnabrug 25.12.1730 m. v. Debe
> >
> > Debe Schrages uijt stift Osnabrug 25.12.1730 vr. v. Died. Schumack.
> >
> > Anna Schumackers uijt't stift Osnabrug 25.3.1731
> >
> > Johan Henrich Vorbrugging van Menslagen 25.3.1731
> >
> > Joost Ster van Halle 7.7.1731 in't Brandenburgse
> >
> > Rencke Monnich van Berne 7.7.1731
> >
> > Jan Barentz van Oldenburg 7.7.1731
> >
> > Trijntie Wubbenaar van Bremen 7.7.1731
> >
> > Aldert Rinkes van Lier 30.9.1731 in Oostvriesland
> >
> > Barend Esselman uij't stift Osnabrug 30.9.1731
> >
> > Simon Vogt van Hamburg 25.12.1731
> >
> > Johannes Embden van Flechdorff 25.12.1731
> >
> > Johan Berend Bruns van Neerstad 13.4.1732
> >
> > Anna Maria Dorothea Dokwitzen van Kiel 13.4.1732 vr. v. Jan Harmens
> >
> > Dorothea Kormers van Bremen 13.7.1732 vr. v. Johan Martensz
> >
> > Gerrit Nun uijt'tstigt Bremen 5.10.1732 m. v. Cornelia v.d. Put
> >
> > Anna Maria Geertruij van Hamburg 5.10.1732
> >
> > Jan Bartolsz van Giessendorp 25.12.1732 in't Breemsche
> >
> > Katie van Angelbeken van Lunenburg 5.4.1733
> >
> > Marcus Petrus van Dalen van Lipstadt 5.4.1733
> >
> > Gabriel Kornack van Hamburg 5.7.1733
> >
> > Maria Engel Dappers van Jever 5.7.1733
> >
> > Gerdruijt Jans van Leer 25.12.1733
> >
> > Joan Lucht van Dantzig 25.7.1734
> >
> > Antke Willems van Doornum 25.7.1734
> >
> > Grietie Henricks van Neuborg 25.7.1734
> >
> > Joan Christian Owen van Hanover 25.7.1734
> >
> > Hans Henrik Krone van Lubeck 10.10.1734
> >
> > Johan Wilhelm Feise van Hildesheim 25.12.1734
> >
> > Jochem Warnar Obervelt van Ulzen 25.12.1734
> >
> > Marija Jans van Lunden 10.4.1735 in't Holsteinse
> >
> > Grietie Jans Hartz van Norden 10.4.1735
> >
> > Hendrik Muller van Breemen 9.10.1735
> >
> > Jurgen Dorscher uit't Breemse 9.10.1735
> >
> >
> > Michiel Engelbregt Daan van Hamburg 25.12.1735
> >
> > Klaas Hendrik Kok uit't Osnabrugse 25.12.1735
> >
> > Gerd Siemers in't stigt Magnus 1.4.1736
> >
> > Johan Leonhard Hofman uit Saxen 1.4.1736
> >
> > Fredrik Wench van Beecen 8.7.1736 in't Graafschap Delmenhorst
> >
> > Johan Henrich Christoffel Hinkeldeij uit't Hanoverse 14.10.1736
> >
> > Lina Hartmans van Bremen 14.10./1736
> >
> > Dirk Woortmans van Dortmond 14.10.1736
> >
> > Anna Margaretha Benedix van Oldenburg 14.10.1736
> >
> > Caspar Gerhard Balke van Bremen 21.4.1737
> >
> > Johan Martin Hunderdosse van Menslage 21.4.1737
> >
> > Johan Andreas Pool van Magdeburg 14.7.1737
> >
> > Johan Kristoffel Metekamp van Bremen 25.12.1737
> >
> > Anna Katarina Pauluusse van Pirmond 25.12.1737
> >
> > Johan Jacob Engel van Koninsbergen 25.12.1737
> >
> > Bernard Caspar Weidemeijer van Dortmond 25.12.1737
> >
> > Georg Junkland van Stutgard 25.12.1737
> >
> > Coenrad Sidenburg van Bremen 6.7.1738
> >
> > Jochem Hendrik Schultz van Hamburg 25.12.1738
> >
> > Johan Christoph Poets van Leipzig 11.10.1739
> >
> > Pieter Andries Warner van Neustad 17.4.1740 in't Mecklenburgse
> >
> > Jan Christian Rokreemer van Erfurt 17.4.1740 slagersknecht
> >
> > Anna Catharina Umsteters van Worms 17.4.1740
> >
> > Jan Matthijsze van Lubeck 10.7.1740 hoedemakersknecht
> >
> > Anna Agneta Lucken van Oldenburg 9.10.1740 vr.v.Christian Westlaeseu
> >
> > Arnold Neumann van Kleef 25.12.1741
> >
> > Catrine Marlene Westenkamps van Bremen 25.3.1742
> >
> > Frederich Wilhelm Meijer van Lubbeke 8.7.1742
> >
> > Jurgen Emsken uit't Oldenburgse 25.12.1742
> >
> > Peter Andreas Lochler van Altona 24.2.1743
> >
> > Johan Wilhelm Meijer van Oldenburg 7.4.1743
> >
> > Remmer Galtets van Oosterackum 19.12.1743 i. Steedsdorf.Oostvriesl.
> >
> > Anna Gertrud Benninghoff van Dortmund 2.4.1744
> >
> > Antje Volckers van Borgenhof 4.10.1744 tussen Lubeck en Hamburg
> >
> > Johan George Huge van Dusseldorp 4.10.1744
> >
> > Catharina Barbara Tilgen van Hamburg 4.10.1744
> >
> > Outsehert Harmensz van Oostvriesland 23.12.1744
> >
> > Harmen Arpen van Bremerlie 23.12.1744 bij Hannover
> >
> > Hemmig Neussen van Eeckevoor 23.12.1744 in Holstein
> >
> > Antje Pieters van Hamburg 16.4.1745 vrouw v. Jochem Swiler
> >
> > Herman Christiaan Piper van Buer 16.4.1745 in't sticht Osnabrug
> >
> > Margaretha Dorothea Arends van Lubeck 16.4.1745
> >
> > Gerrit Jansz Looman uit Holten 22.12.1745 in Oostvriesland
> >
> > Berend Boldewien van Berne 22.12.1745
> >
> > Johan van Lienen uit gr.schap Oldenburg 7.4.1746
> >
> > Catharina Bartels uit Nieuenborg 26.6.1746 a/d Weser
> >
> > Dirk Siemers van Lessum 27.9.1746
> >
> > Frans Fennekohl van St.Magries 22.12.1746
> >
> > Gerrit Willemsz Tikje van Hulstede 22.12.1746 in't Oldenburgsche
> >
> > Jan Pieters van Hage 22.12.1746 in Oostvriesland
> >
> > Christiaan Bunte van Vloto 28.3.1747 in Westphalen
> >
> > Joost Heitland van Bookhorst 28.3.1747 in Brandenburg
> >
> > Elizabeth Eversman van Eburg 28.3.1747 in't Osnabrugsche
> >
> > Helena Gerrewijn van Dortmund 28.3.1747
> >
> > Hendrick Gottemeijer van Lanselage 28.3.1747 in't Osnabrugsche
> >
> > Johan Frederick Lamfelt uit Holstein 28.9.1747
> >
> > Jan Coenraad Pijper van Vlooto 7.4.1748 a/d Wezer
> >
> > Christiaan Ernst Pesenekker van Berlijn 3.7.1748
> >
> > Jan Christiaan Block van Vlotho 18.12.1748 m. v. Anna E. Campen
> >
> > Jan Coenraad Zusenits van Marienweder 18.12.1748 in't Hanoverse
> >
> > Ike Jansz Smit van Zellenstat 18.12.1748 in Jeverland
> >
> > Anna Maria Elizabeth Oxemans van Hille 29.6.1749 bij Minden
> >
> > Jan Frischgezel van Fischhuizen bij Koningsbergen 29.6.1749
> >
> > Christoffel Jans van Kircheim 2.10.1749 a/d Eck in't Wurtenbergse
> >
> > Anna Elizabeth Schifer van Lubec 2.10.1749
> >
> > Georg Friederich Verling van Vlotho 23.12.1749
> >
> > Lodewijck Bekker van Hamburg 5.3.1750
> >
> > Johan Henrich Spiegelberg van Osnabruck 20.3.1750
> >
> > Philip Lambert van Hirhausse 22.3.1750 in Osnabruck
> >
> > Daniel Hilvers van Warflieth 15.12.1750 in't Oldenburgsche
> >
> > Cornelis Matthijsz van Harris 15.12.1750 in't Holsteinsche
> >
> > Casper Cramer uit het ampt Hoje 15.12.1750 in't Hanoversche
> >
> > Johan Heinrich Olhater van Wiltter 15.12.1750
> >
> > Anna Elisabeth Eggerhijse van Hanover 7.4.1751
> >
> > Maria Elisabeth Schreuders? van Paterborn 7.4.1751
> >
> > Davits? Christoffel Abraham van Corbach 7.4.1751 kreis
> >
> > Jan Jurgen Smit van Ploenen 6.10.1751 in't Holsteinsche
> >
> > Frederick Gobel van Wahrfliecke 17.12.1751 in't Oldenburgsche
> >
> > Johan Peter Srussen van Peterstorf 9.3.1752
> >
> > Christiaan Frederick Schultz uit Viermanstorf 28.6.1752 b. Berlijn
> >
> > Johan Gerritsz Kinck van Dalsper 28.6.1752 bij Oldenburg
> >
> > Abraham Lotje van Wedel 20.12.1752 a/d Elbe
> >
> > Jan Hendriksz Roozendaal van Srikhanzen 23.12.1752 in Oostvriesl.
> >
> > Dirck Geijss van Liesumstotel 23.12.1752 bij Breemen
> >
> > Elias Tietzen uit Breemen 23.12.1752
> >
> > Christoffel Everman van Eulstadt 20.4.1753
> >
> > Hermannus Vornbaun uit Valle 12.7.1753 in't Brandenburgsche
> >
> > Cornelis Levas van Dantzig 16.12.1753
> >
> > Eldert Jansz van Hulso 16.12.1753 in't Oldenburgsche
> >
> > Johanna Lucia Fruijdendaal van Hamburg 2.7.1754
> >
> > Jurgen Hendrik Hooghermeier uijt het Brandenburgze 20.12.1754
> >
> > Coenraad Ernst Abelman van Hanover 29.6.1755
> >
> > Johan Hendrik Adams van Oldenburg 29.6.1755
> >
> > Hendrik Schaper van Pijrmont 29.6.1755
> >
> > Johan Frederik Steinkopff uijt het Meklenburgse 1.10.1755
> >
> > Johan Frederik Schneider van Kirchhaim 1.10.1755
> >
> > Engel Maria Hanssen van Flensburg 1.10.1755
> >
> > Johan Frederik Willem Meule van Minden 23.12.1755
> >
> > Johan Martin Schutzen van Kinderen 15.4.1756 bij Halle
> >
> >
> ___________________________________________________________
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[HN] auswander

Date: 2003/05/25 15:04:30
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

perhaps this database would be of some help.....
as a non-German speaker there are some translations for you as well



 schaumburg auswanderer BOOK/LINK and some translation


> > Many thanks to Webmaster Herr Carsten Peter Thiele,
> > who created an index for the BOOK
> > Schaumburger Auswanderer
> > 1820-1914
> > by Heinrich Rieckenberg.
> > Searchable German immigration database!
> >
> > http://home.arcor.de/histagschaumburg/
> >
> > This is a webpage in GERMAN.
> > but do not be sad!
> > If you do not read/write German,
> > I suspect that you will STILL be able to do some searching..
> > The most important portion of this site to any casual access is the
> listing of surnames..
> >
> > Here are some quick how-to's for those that might not pursue this
website
> because it is in German...
> > Click on the above link..
> > Then click on the Schaumberger AUSWANDERER line under PROJECTS on the
LEFT
> side...
> > You will then be given a page in German..
> > (Perhaps if you accessed this link via Google.com and clicked on
TRANSLATE
> THIS PAGE,
> > it will get translated for you. I have NOT checked that out yet..)
> > Scroll to the bottom..
> > SEE the STARTEN SUCHE..
> > click on it and you will be able to start your search.
> > A page with several options will be presented..
> > Click on the Tab of SUCHE NAME...
> > then enter in the surname of the family you are interested in..
> > Perhaps you will find a name that has been a stumbling block for you..

> > also:
> To avoid all those German commercials
> popping up you need "Pop-up Stopper" from http://www.panicware.com .
>
and some translatios:
 Suche Alles: Search Everything
> Suche Name: Search Surname
> Suche Herkunft: Search by place of origin
> Suche Ziel: Search by destination
> Suche Datum: Search by date
> Abkürzungsverzeichnis: Explanation of Abbreviations
> Suchen: Search
>
Schaumburger Auswanderer = Schaumburger Emigration (from Schamburg)
Schaumburgische Genealogie = Schaumburger Genealogy
Schaumburg-Lipp. Genealogie + Schaumberger-Lippe Genealogy
(Schaumburg-Lippe)
Historische Karten = Historical Maps

Don't get carried away when you search by destination (Suche Ziel). Keep it
simple. Just a village, town, or city name, like Frankfurt, Chicago,
Pennsylvania, Kassel.

> >
> > if you get this response:
> > Kein Datensatz zur Anzeige vorhanden der Ihrem/n Suchbegriff/en
> entspricht, bitte wählen Sie einen anderen Suchbegriff
> >
> > it means:
> > Your search was negative. Try another one.
> >
THEN
when you find an entry, then you should locate a copy of the book through
interlibrary loan, or merely ask for copies of the noted pages from the
above data base....

> > Good Luck now.


[HN] Walter of Altenhagen

Date: 2003/05/25 15:51:32
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

In the churchbooks of Altenhagen near Springe I have found the birth-record of my gg...grandfather David Johann WALTER. And I have found there the names and birthdates of his siblings.
His father, the pastor Conrad WALTER who died on 13. May 1746 in Altenhagen.
David Johann WALTER was pastor in Klaber/Mecklenburg and died there in 1774.
I am wondering that 7 of his 9 siblings did not married or died in Altenhagen until 1821.
And the mother Elisabeth Dorothea RUST died not in Altenhagen or in Klaber.

The siblings who was born in Altenhagen were:
- Johann Konrad WALTER, b. 1706 in Altenhagen, d. 12. Mar 1760 in Altenhagen, pastor
- David Johann WALTER, b. 19.Mar 1711 in Altenhagen, d. 14. Mar 1774 in Klaber, pastor
- Sophia Christina Elisabeth, b. 29. Dec 1711 in Altenhagen
- Ernst Ludwig WALTER, b. 21. Feb 1713 in Altenhagen
- Sophia Dorothea Elisabeth WALTER, b. 5. Feb 1714 in Altenhagen
- Justine Sophia, b. 25. Nov 1714 in Altenhagen
- Elisabeth Susanna Dorothea WALTER, b. 28. Mar 1716 in Altenhagen
- Got...(unreadable) WALTER, b. 3. Jun 1718 in Altenhagen
- Frank Nicodemus WALTER, b. 17. Jul 1719 in Altenhagen (in another source he was called "Friederich Nicolaus")
- Friederich Erich WALTER, b. 26. Oct 1721 in Altenhagen, d. 21. May 1735 in Altenhagen


Any additional information about this family is appreciated.

thank you,

	Christoph Haupt



-- 
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Am Friedenstal 1/3
D-30627 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
www.haupt-researcher.de

Re: [HN] auswander

Date: 2003/05/25 18:37:57
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

Splendid, Valentine. Splendid.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "... valentine53179" <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, 25 May, 2003 8:04 AM
Subject: [HN] auswander


perhaps this database would be of some help.....
as a non-German speaker there are 


Re: [HN] Walter of Altenhagen

Date: 2003/05/25 18:42:55
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

Wouldn't we all love to have this much information? (Walter is ONE of the
forerunners of Watson).

So viel Informationen möchte ich auch haben, als eine Grundlage, auf zu
bauen, Christoph.

:-)
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "CHaupt" <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>
In the churchbooks of Altenhagen near Springe I have found the birth-record
of my gg...grandfather David Johann WALTER.



Re: [HN] auswander

Date: 2003/05/25 18:50:52
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

and ALL thanks to you there DON.... and all YOU do on and off list.....



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Watson" <dwat(a)cox.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] auswander


> Splendid, Valentine. Splendid.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "... valentine53179" <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Sunday, 25 May, 2003 8:04 AM
> Subject: [HN] auswander
> 
> 
> perhaps this database would be of some help.....
> as a non-German speaker there are 
> 
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Re: [HN] Pastorenverzeichnis: ECKHARD

Date: 2003/05/25 19:41:05
From: heinrichmunk <HeinrichMunk(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herrr Petersen, hier sende ich Ihne die Daten von Arnold Eckhard( Eccardus), * vermtl. 1642 in Harpstedt bei Bremen, Vater Jakob E., Pfarrer in Harpstedt, 1664 Univ. Rinteln, o. Prof der Logig, Physik, Mathematik, a. o. Prof der Theol., ab 1674/75 o. Prof., 1678 mußte er Rinteln verlasen undwar dann Superintendent in Pattensen, + Pattensen 30. 10. 1685, viel Spaß bei der Forschung wünscht Heinrich Munk
"Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> "Jürgen Eichler" <juergen.eichler(a)haduloha.de> schrieb:
> > Hallo zusammen,
> > 
> > gibt es für den Raum ein Pastorenverzeichnis?
> > 
> > Ich suche nach dem Superintendenten
> > 
> > ECK(H)ARD, Arnold
> > 
> > wurde 1678 Superintendent im Hannoverschen, nachdem er vorher Professor der Theologie in Rinteln war.
> > Sind von ihm Lebensdaten bekannt?
> > 
> 
> Hallo Jürgen,
> 
> welchen Raum meinst Du denn? Es gibt ein 3-bändiges Verzeichnis "Die Pastoren der Landeskirchen Hannovers und Schaumburg-Lippes seit der Reformation". Darin erscheint der von Dir genannte aber leider nicht.
> 
> Trotzdem schönes Wochenende
> Wilfried
> 
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Re: [HN] Walter of Altenhagen

Date: 2003/05/26 08:41:50
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Don,

Wenn Du mir sagst, wo Deine WALTER zu Hause waren, kann ich vielleicht Deine weiteren WALTER Vorfahren finden und ich gleichzeitig, denn Ort wohin die meinen (teilweise) gezogen sind.

Für die Familie WALTER habe ich noch die folgenden Orte im Angebot:
- Bisperode/Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel
- Greene/Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel
- Klaber/Mecklenburg
- Neukloster/Mecklenburg
- Schwerin/Mecklenburg
- Stadthagen/Schaumburg-Lippe

Christoph


-- 
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Am Friedenstal 1/3
D-30627 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
www.haupt-researcher.de



"Don Watson" <dwat(a)cox.net> schrieb:
> Wouldn't we all love to have this much information? (Walter is ONE of the
> forerunners of Watson).
> 
> So viel Informationen möchte ich auch haben, als eine Grundlage, auf zu
> bauen, Christoph.
> 
> :-)
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CHaupt" <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>
> In the churchbooks of Altenhagen near Springe I have found the birth-record
> of my gg...grandfather David Johann WALTER.
> 
> 
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> 


[HN] Schools in Hannover -danke

Date: 2003/05/26 23:21:55
From: KurtKathKels <KurtKathKels(a)aol.com>

Dear Albin von Spreckelsen,

Thank you so much for all your detailed information on the schools in Osten 
parish, Hannover.  That was exceedingly helpful.  It seemed to me that the 
Hauptschule was probably in the town of Osten, since the church records had not 
indicated another location.  Now I have a good indication that this family lived 
in or very near the town of Osten.  You seem to know so much about the Osten 
area.  Do you happen to know a website with information on the town?  It 
doesn't work to do a web search because "Osten" means "east". 

Sincerely,
Katherine  

> 
> the meaning of "Hauptschule" at the time you refer is a school in the 
> villag=
> e 
> where the church is located, i.e. in the principal village of the parish. 
> There were additionally to the Hauptschule some so-called "Nebenschulen" in 
> =
> other 
> smaller villages of the same parish which I would translate into secondary 
> schools.
> 
> In case of Osten the situation abt. 1840 was the following:
> 
> There was one "Hauptschule" in Osten itself. Since 1838 Johann Friedrich 
> Flickenschildt was teacher of this school. He was born on 25.05.1811 at 
> Neuh=
> aus on 
> the Oste. In 1838 he married Sophia Dorothea Schulte from Bargstedt. They 
> ha=
> d 
> 9 children. J.F. Flickenschildt (who died on 05.07.1879) was the best known 
> teacher in the nothern part of the Kingdom of Hannover. He published 
> school-books in mathematics which were used even in foreign countries.
> 
> Additionally following "Nebenschulen" existed in the parish of Osten:
> in Achthöfen, Altendorf, Nord-Isensee, Süd-Isensee, Obernaltendorf, Ober=
> hüll 
> und Niederhüll.
> 
> Moreover, the village Osten had 4 private schools with few pupils only.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Albin von Spreckelsen
> 
> 



[HN] Schools in Hannover -Danke again!

Date: 2003/05/26 23:27:52
From: KurtKathKels <KurtKathKels(a)aol.com>

Dear Hans Peter Albers, 

Thank you so much for your fascinating explanation of the educational terms.  
They clarified some confusions that I had about the school system.  You 
people are amazing!  What would we do without you?  

Sincerely,
Katherine


Re: [HN] Schools in Hannover -Danke again!

Date: 2003/05/27 01:02:32
From: Hans Peter Albers <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>

KurtKathKels(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Dear Hans Peter Albers, 
> Thank you so much for your fascinating explanation of the educational terms.  
> They clarified some confusions that I had about the school system.  You 
> people are amazing!  What would we do without you?  
> Sincerely, Katherine

Let me say: for granted. We dealt with confusioms about the historical status of 
school system in Germany. That's nothing against the actual problems of education 
not only in Germany. As everybody on the list is somebody, who decided to ask and 
answer questions in an active way, it seems as we are all going the right way 
and are going to belong to a minority. In the end it is always not to difficult 
asking questions and find the answers - maybe oneself, maybe in society - once 
getting used to that tradition. As I can't imagine what I would do without me, be 
assured, concerning me, there is no problem in going on trying to solve the one 
or the other genealogical question. Thank you.                 Hans Peter Albers



Re: [HN] NaturalizationRecords.com / NY Intentions online 1832-37

Date: 2003/05/27 04:02:27
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Do these records cover the entire state of NY?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Watson" <dwat(a)cox.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:41 PM
Subject: [HN] NaturalizationRecords.com / NY Intentions online 1832-37


>
> http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/nyintent_a1833.shtml
>
> Hint: Let the page load. Scroll DOWN to read the intro and
> the list of all A surnames. Underneath the table of "A"
> surnames are the choices of all other surname letters.
>
> Here is a typical entry on the page (URL given above)
>
> Surname; First Name; Page; Date; Remarks
> Agar; Jeremiah; 40; Oct. 11 1832
> Alley; Michael; 185; Nov. 1 1832
> Allen; Robert; 278; Nov. 6, 1832; naturalized same day
>
> This set of records is *NOT* the same as Naturalization Records indexes
> 1821-1991 online at AlbanyCounty.com.
>
> Robin Tweed, another wonderful volunteer, is working on the next set of
> records, Books 4,5 & 6. These cover the time  period Apr. 1837-Apr. 1843.
I
> have Surname A, and part of C  online for this database, but keep watching
> for the rest. They will be uploaded as Robin transcribes them.
>
> "A" surnames for 1837-1843 are found at
>  http://naturalizationrecords.com/usa/nyintentbk4-6_a.shtml
>
> Let the page load, then scroll down to see the list of
> names. Oh, and as always on Olive Tree Genealogy and its
> sister sites, ALL records are FREE to use.
>
> Please go ahead and pass this note on to anyone or any list
> you think might be interested.
>
>
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Re: [HN] Hannover-Stadtplan

Date: 2003/05/27 13:08:34
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

CHaupt schrieb:
> 
> Hallo Klaus,
> 
> Ich habe da eine Kopie von einem Plan in dem Du die Altstadtkirchen finden wirst. Ich kann Dir davon eine Kopie in dem Brief mitschicken, den ich gerade für Dich vorbereite.
> 
> Herzliche Grüße,
> 
>         Christoph
******************************************************************
Hallo Christoph,
hast Du den Brief an mich schon auf den Weg gebracht?
Gruß
Klaus



[HN] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2003/05/27 18:52:15
From: Stefan Spalteholz <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de>

Hallo Mitforscher,
bin neu in der Liste und wollte mich vorstellen.
Mein Name ist Stefan Spalteholz, 30 Jahre jung und wohne in Darmstadt.
Meine Schwerpunkt in der Forschung liegen in Hessen, Sachsen, Thüringen
und Niedersachsen.
Ich gebe mal einen Kurzüberblick über meine Orte und Namen aus Niedersachsen
:
Upen - Bosse und Sperling
Einbeck - Brand, Delliehausen,Francke und Rannenberg,
Gitter - Frikke, Sander und Schrader
Hullersen - Meyer
Klein-Ilsede - Köhler
Scharzfeld - Fischer, Lier, Söhle und Wehmer
Sülbeck - Rimrads
Stöckheim - Bonhagen
Falls jemand in den gleichen Orten forscht  bzw hach den gleichen Namen
würde ich mich über eine nachricht freuen.
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[HN] Brand aus Dassensen

Date: 2003/05/28 10:59:21
From: Stefan Spalteholz <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de>

Hallo Forscherfreunde,
wer hat Zugang zum KB von Dassensen bzw forscht auch dort und könnte mir
eventuell was nachschauen.
Bin auf der Suche nach den Vorfahren von :
Cord Jürgen Brand, geb. 1677 in Dassensen
Danke für eure Antworten
Beste Grüße
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[HN] Köhler aus Klein-Ilsede

Date: 2003/05/28 11:01:40
From: Stefan Spalteholz <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de>

Hallo Forscherfreunde,
wer hat Zugang zum KB von Klein-Ilsede bzw forscht auch dort und könnte
mir eventuell was nachschauen.
Bin auf der Suche nach den Vorfahren von :
Johann Heinrich August Köhler, geb. 18.11.1795 in Klein-Ilsede
Danke für eure Antworten
Beste Grüße
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Re: [HN] Brand aus Dassensen

Date: 2003/05/28 20:38:21
From: Newton Brand <nbrand(a)houston.rr.com>

Dear Mr. Spalteholz,

I do not read or write German but, hope that you read and write English.

I am the grandson of Charles J. BRAND born in or near Chicago, Illinois, USA in
1859.   Do you know if any of your BRAND family immigrated to the state of Illinois
prior to 1859?

With thanks and kind regards,

Newton Brand


Stefan Spalteholz wrote:

> Hallo Forscherfreunde,
> wer hat Zugang zum KB von Dassensen bzw forscht auch dort und könnte mir
> eventuell was nachschauen.
> Bin auf der Suche nach den Vorfahren von :
> Cord Jürgen Brand, geb. 1677 in Dassensen
> Danke für eure Antworten
> Beste Grüße
> Stefan Spalteholz
> Beckstr. 59
> 64287 Darmstadt
> Tel.: 06151 425 315
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[HN] Re: Brand aus Dassensen (Südniedersachsen)

Date: 2003/05/28 20:51:40
From: Gerd Hillebrecht <Gerd.Hillebrecht(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Herr Spalteholz,

mir liegt das Ortsfamilienbuch Dassensen, Wellersen, Rotenkirchen (Rolf Nowak 
1999) vor.

Ich entnehme diesem Ortsfamilienbuch: Der Vater des Cord Jürgen Brand, geb. 
vor 1677 in Dassensen, ist Diedrich Brand, Ackermann. Weitere Daten und die 
Mutter werden nicht genannt. Cord Jürgen Brand stirbt am 21.3.1737 in Einbeck, 
St. Marien.

Dazu ist zu sagen, dass auf Grund eines Pfarrhausbrandes im Jahre 1789 alle 
Kirchenbücher der Gemeinde Dassensen vernichtet wurden. Die jetzigen 
Kirchenbücher beginnen erst 1790. Der Vater Diedrich Brand wird also 
wahrscheinlich nur in den Kirchenbüchern von Einbeck, St. Marien, anlässlich 
eines Traueintrages genannt, wo Cord Jürgen Brand am 30.11.1728 Ilse Sophia 
Delliehausen heiratet.

Auch ich beschäftige mich intensiv mit meinen Vorfahren und denen meiner Frau in 
Südniedersachsen. Unter den Orten unserer Vorfahren treten Dassensen und 
Einbeck prominent hervor. Einzelheiten habe ich auf unserer Website dargestellt 
(Adresse s.u.).

Mit freundlichem Gruß

Gerd Hillebrecht

Email:
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Website:
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Re: [HN] Brand aus Dassensen - Language Translation.

Date: 2003/05/28 20:58:02
From: Don Watson <dwat(a)cox.net>

I can translate short E-Mail messages on the fly, if that becomes necessary.
No charge for 60 words or less. Chances are our German friends know English.

:-)
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "Newton Brand" <nbrand(a)houston.rr.com>
Dear Mr. Spalteholz,
I do not read or write German but, hope that you read and write English.
I am the grandson of Charles J. BRAND born in or



[HN] Brand aus Dassensen

Date: 2003/05/29 00:07:46
From: Stefan Spalteholz <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de>

Dear Newton,
actually i do not know if any of my brand ancestors were moving to amererica.
If i find one, i will let you know.
Best regards
Stefan


Dear Mr. Spalteholz, I do not read or write German but, hope that you read
and write English. I am the grandson of Charles J. BRAND born in or near
Chicago, Illinois, USA in 1859.   Do you know if any of your BRAND family
immigrated to the state of Illinois prior to 1859? With thanks and kind
regards,Newton Brand

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[HN] Family Names to Midwest

Date: 2003/05/29 03:36:00
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear List,

I am looking for Feldhaus,Schnelt/Schnelten,Wolters, Tobben/Toebben, Pohlman,Wetlage/Wittage, Bismeier, Rehmschnier, Grotepahler,Schmallhorst, Rawe, Mest, Meier, Tranel, Hemmen ,Brummer, Kniese, Sand/Sandbote,Thom, Dust, Siemers,

In the area of Holte, Lahden, perhaps Hasseluenne and possibly Westerwiehe? near Reitberg

Unknown if all names listed are ancestors, if not ancestors were witness' to baptisms in St. Louis, Missouri.


Henricio [H?oene] - witness - Lucas and Adelheid marriage-Sept 1859
Rosina Toebel? - witness - Lucas and Adelheid marriage-Sept 1859

Antonio Meier - witness- Maria Gesina Tobben and Martin Mier marriage-Feb 1861. Margaretha Adelheid Toben-witness Maria Gesina Tobben and Martin Mier marriage-Feb 1861 (Martin's parents Stephani Mier and Maria Eva Sandbote) ...Sandt? Sandt and Tobben marriage is in SLC records.

Lucas Feldhaus-witness-Bernard Tobben and Anna Margareth Bruemmers marriage-April 1860 Gesina [Thom]-witness-Bernard Tobben and Anna Margareth Bruemmers marriage-April 1860
(Anna's parents Joh Bernarci [Brumer] & Maria Elisabetha Wittage)

Maria Addel TRANEL - witness - baptism of Joh. Wil. Feldhaus-Sept. 1876
Will Hemmen - witness - baptism of Joh. Wil. Feldhaus-Sept. 1876

Joanne B. Nees? * [Kniese?} - witness - baptism of John Feldhaus- Sept. 1878 [Kneise?]
Maria Schnelt/Schneld-witness-baptism of John Feldhaus-Sept. 1878
Martin Meyer-witness-Martin Feldhaus baptism- Nov. 1864
Helena Adelheid MEST-witness-Martin Feldhaus baptism-Nov. 1864

Joanne Bernard Schnelt/Schneld-witness-Herman Feldhaus Bap- Nov. 1866
Margaretha Tobben-witness-Herman Feldhaus Bap. - Nov. 1866

Bernard Tranel-witness-Joseph Feldhaus Bap. - July 1869
Marg Eliz Schnelt-witness-Joseph Feldhaus Bap- July 1869

Anna Marg. Brummer-witness-A. Marg. Feldhaus bap-Feb. 1872
Caspari Raave-witness-A. Marg. Feldhaus bap-Feb. 1872 (or possibly RAWE?)

Herman Brummer-witness-Anton Feldhaus bap. - Aug. 1874
Maria Hemmen-witness-Anton Feldhaus bap- Aug. 1874

Regina Raive/Rawe - witness- Joh. Bernard Feldhaus Bap- Sept. 1862
Bernard Tobben-witness-Joh Bernard Feldhaus Bap-Sept. 1862


Thanks and Regards.
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Re: [HN] Brand aus Dassensen

Date: 2003/05/29 05:53:57
From: Newton Brand <nbrand(a)houston.rr.com>

Dear Stefan,

Thanks so much for your response.  All the best to you.

Newton

Stefan Spalteholz wrote:

> Dear Newton,
> actually i do not know if any of my brand ancestors were moving to amererica.
> If i find one, i will let you know.
> Best regards
> Stefan
>
> Dear Mr. Spalteholz, I do not read or write German but, hope that you read
> and write English. I am the grandson of Charles J. BRAND born in or near
> Chicago, Illinois, USA in 1859.   Do you know if any of your BRAND family
> immigrated to the state of Illinois prior to 1859? With thanks and kind
> regards,Newton Brand
>
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[HN] Brand aus Dassensen (Südniedersachsen)

Date: 2003/05/29 09:55:50
From: Stefan Spalteholz <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de>

Hallo Herr Hillebrecht,
danke für Ihre Auskunft und Hinweis wegen des KB von Dassensen.
Damit scheint diese Linei ja fast erledigt zu sein.
War auch auf Ihrer Homepage, die ich sehr gut und übersichtlich finde. Leider
habe ich auch dort keinen gemeinsamen Vorfahren gefunden.
Vielen Dank und schöne Vatertag noch
Gruss
Stefan

Hallo Herr Spalteholz, mir liegt das Ortsfamilienbuch Dassensen, Wellersen,
Rotenkirchen (Rolf Nowak 1999) vor. Ich entnehme diesem Ortsfamilienbuch:
Der Vater des Cord Jürgen Brand, geb. vor 1677 in Dassensen, ist Diedrich
Brand, Ackermann. Weitere Daten und die
Mutter werden nicht genannt. Cord Jürgen Brand stirbt am 21.3.1737 in Einbeck,
St. Marien. Dazu ist zu sagen, dass auf Grund eines Pfarrhausbrandes im
Jahre 1789 alle Kirchenbücher der Gemeinde Dassensen vernichtet wurden.
Die jetzigen Kirchenbücher beginnen erst 1790. Der Vater Diedrich Brand
wird also wahrscheinlich nur in den Kirchenbüchern von Einbeck, St. Marien,
anlässlich eines Traueintrages genannt, wo Cord Jürgen Brand am 30.11.1728
Ilse Sophia Delliehausen heiratet. Auch ich beschäftige mich intensiv mit
meinen Vorfahren und denen meiner Frau in  Südniedersachsen. Unter den Orten
unserer Vorfahren treten Dassensen und Einbeck prominent hervor. Einzelheiten
habe ich auf unserer Website dargestellt (Adresse s.u.). Mit freundlichem
Gruß Gerd Hillebrecht

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[HN] Rannenberg aus Einbeck

Date: 2003/05/29 10:28:04
From: Stefan Spalteholz <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de>

Hallo Forscherfreunde,
wer hat Zugang zum KB von Einbeck bzw forscht auch dort und könnte mirm
eventuell was nachschauen.
Bin auf der Suche nach den Vorfahren von :
Andreas Christian Rannenberg, geb. ca. 1753 in Einbeck
Danke für eure Antworten
Beste Grüße
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[HN] Sperling aus Upen

Date: 2003/05/29 10:30:56
From: Stefan Spalteholz <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de>

Hallo Forscherfreunde,
wer hat Zugang zum KB von Upen bzw forscht auch dort und könnte mir eventuell
was nachschauen.
Bin auf der Suche nach den Vorfahren von :
Christoph Sperling, geb. ca. 1770 in Upen
Danke für eure Antworten
Beste Grüße und schönen Vatertag
Stefan Spalteholz
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[HN] Nachnamenvariationen (Surname variations)

Date: 2003/05/30 05:59:01
From: CarolSue Robinson <cswr(a)earthlink.net>

-Entschuldigen Sie bitte alle Fehler von meinem Systemübersetzer -

Unsere Familie sucht Informationen über diesen Familiennamen, der so viele
andere Wege buchstabiert wird, verzweifelt: HOLTMEIER, HÜLSMEIER,
HOLTMEYER, HOLZMEIR, HÜLZMEIER, HOLTZMEYER,

Gr-Großmutter emigrierte darin Mittel 1860s von Bremen nach Südlichem Illinois, USA, um meinem Gr-Großvater, der ein junger Witwer von Ostfriesland war, Hannover, Deutschland, zu heiraten, und emigrierte 1852 mit seinen Brüdern und ihren Familien
vom Hafen von Bremerhaven zum Hafen von New Orleans.  Grandmother
buchstabierte ihren Nachnamen auf ihrer Ehelizenz als HOLZMEIR. Ihre Kinder führten ihren mit den anderen Variationen buchstabierten unverheirateten Namen auf.
Helfen Sie uns bitte mit diesem Irrgarten.
Carol
NW California
:::::::::::::::::::
-Please excuse any errors from my system translator-

Our family is desperately seeking information on this family name
that is spelled so many different ways:
HOLTMEIER,
HÜLSMEIER,
HOLTMEYER,
HOLZMEIR,
HÜLZMEIER,
HOLTZMEYER

Gr-grandmother emigrated in mid 1860s from Bremen to Southern Illinois,
USA to marry my Gr-grandfather, who was a young widower from Ostfriesland,
Hannover, Germany, and emigrated in 1852 from the Port of Bremerhaven to
the Port of New Orleans with his brothers and their families.  Grandmother
spelled her surname on her marriage license as HOLZMEIR.  Her children
listed her maiden name spelled with the other variations.
Please help us with this maze.
Carol
NW California




Re: [HN] Schools in Hannover -parish of Osten

Date: 2003/05/30 11:22:26
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Dear Katherine,

you are right, I am something acquainted with the history/genealogie of 
Osten. I frequently have searched in its church records and have gathered meanwhile 
copies of many documents of this town.

Osten`s website is: www.osten-oste.de which is a wonderful site, 
unfortunately in German only. Therein you will see that the surname Ahlf is well known 
there, now-a-days too. The site contains articles on Horst Ahlf and Karla Ahll, 
both with fotos.

I hope you will enjoy that website.

Sincerely,
Albin von Spreckelsen  
   


Antw: [HN] Pre church records

Date: 2003/05/30 12:51:59
From: Falk Liebezeit <Falk.Liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

Hello M., 

Did you think of the Duderstadt city archives ? 

titan.mpi-g.gwdg.de/duderstadt/archiv.htm 

Greetings 

Falk Liebezeit 

>>> mahm(a)globaldsl.net 05/14 5:32  >>>
Does anyone know the website listing town records to search that were
written before church records?

Margaret Miesterfeld


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[HN] ISLEIF - SCHMIDT, Raum Hameln

Date: 2003/05/30 17:01:11
From: Ute Pucknat-Moritz <Ute.Pucknat(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

bei der Suche nach meinen Vorfahren bin ich auf einen eher seltenen Nachnamen gestoßen:

Mein Ur-Ur-Ur-Großvater Christian SCHMIDT, Papiermacher, war mit einer Rosina (Caroline) ISLEIF verheiratet.
Am 03.04.1842 wurde mein Ur-Ur-Großvater Heinrich Friedrich Julius SCHMIDT geboren.
Sein Taufpate war der Förster Heinrich SCHMIDT, der vermutlich in Groß-Berkel Raum Hameln gelebt hat.

Für jeden Hinweis zu diesem Zweig "meiner" Schmidts und dem Namen ISLEIF bin ich sehr dankbar.

ute

ute pucknat-moritz
schulung & mehr
Markt 17
64807 Dieburg

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Fax (+49) 60 71 - 8 19 02
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[HN] Looking for those with these attachments

Date: 2003/05/30 18:35:41
From: gutt morgan <guttmorgan(a)hotmail.com>

I have seen the surnames of some of these floating around. So thought i would put up mine. all i have pretty much on them
Harry Wilmer Matthews, 1913
Wilmer Matthews
Anna Spence
Florence Louise Nahsen
Mariam Gutekunst -1937,iowa
Jeannine C. Wendt - 1938 kansas
Romaine G. Honold, 1935,
Workman , ohio
Loann Stika, 1949 washinton d.c.
Nicolaus Nahnsen
Frieda Meyer from Hannover providence Oldendorf/ Nahrendorf area of Luneburg

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Re: [HN] ISLEIF - SCHMIDT, Raum Hameln

Date: 2003/05/30 19:23:12
From: Meine Ahnen <meine-ahnen(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Ute,

das Stadtarchiv Hameln hat eine Kartei über alle in den Kirchenbüchern
verzeichneten Personen angelegt.

War selber mit meinem Onkel (er wohnt übrigens auch in Dieburg!!) vor zwei
Wochen dort - der Archivar Herr Eberhardt war sehr hilfsbereit und
freundlich.

Suche einfach die Telefonnummer raus und frage mal an.

Viel Erfolg!

Martinus
www.arendi.de




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From: Ute Pucknat-Moritz <Ute.Pucknat(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: [HN] ISLEIF - SCHMIDT, Raum Hameln


Liebe Listenmitglieder,

bei der Suche nach meinen Vorfahren bin ich auf einen eher seltenen
Nachnamen gestoßen:

Mein Ur-Ur-Ur-Großvater Christian SCHMIDT, Papiermacher, war mit einer
Rosina (Caroline) ISLEIF verheiratet.
Am 03.04.1842 wurde mein Ur-Ur-Großvater Heinrich Friedrich Julius SCHMIDT
geboren.
Sein Taufpate war der Förster Heinrich SCHMIDT, der vermutlich in
Groß-Berkel Raum Hameln gelebt hat.

Für jeden Hinweis zu diesem Zweig "meiner" Schmidts und dem Namen ISLEIF bin
ich sehr dankbar.

ute

ute pucknat-moritz
schulung & mehr
Markt 17
64807 Dieburg

Tel. (+49) 60 71 - 8 19 00
Fax (+49) 60 71 - 8 19 02
ute.pucknat(a)t-online.de



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[HN] Osten website -Danke

Date: 2003/05/30 19:45:33
From: KurtKathKels <KurtKathKels(a)aol.com>

Dear Albin von Spreckelsen,

Thank you for listing that enjoyable Osten website.  It was fun to see the 
photo of Horst AHLF and others.  I would like to visit the area someday. 

Sincerely,
Katherine


Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2003/05/30 23:09:17
From: "Jürgen Rode" <j.rode(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Stefan,

ich forsche ebenfalls in Stöckheim und Sülbeck. Weitere Infos kannst Du auf meiner Homepage sehen. Weitere von Dir nicht genannte Orte in dem Bereich sind ebenfalls dabei.


MfG

Jürgen Rode
53229 Bonn

http://home.t-online.de/home/j.rode


"Stefan Spalteholz" <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de> schrieb:
> Hallo Mitforscher, 
> bin neu in der Liste und wollte mich vorstellen.
> Mein Name ist Stefan Spalteholz, 30 Jahre jung und wohne in Darmstadt.
> Meine Schwerpunkt in der Forschung liegen in Hessen, Sachsen, Thüringen
> und Niedersachsen. 
> Ich gebe mal einen Kurzüberblick über meine Orte und Namen aus Niedersachsen
> : 
> Upen - Bosse und Sperling 
> Einbeck - Brand, Delliehausen,Francke und Rannenberg, 
> Gitter - Frikke, Sander und Schrader
> Hullersen - Meyer
> Klein-Ilsede - Köhler
> Scharzfeld - Fischer, Lier, Söhle und Wehmer
> Sülbeck - Rimrads
> Stöckheim - Bonhagen 
> Falls jemand in den gleichen Orten forscht  bzw hach den gleichen Namen
> würde ich mich über eine nachricht freuen. 
> Viele Grüße
> Stefan Spalteholz
> Beckstr. 59
> 64287 Darmstadt
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AW: Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung

Date: 2003/05/30 23:37:51
From: Stefan Spalteholz <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de>

Hallo Jürgen,
ich schau?s mir morgen mal an
Gruss
Stefan

>-- Original Nachricht --
>Subject: Re: [HN] Neuvorstellung
>From: j.rode(a)t-online.de ("Jürgen Rode")
>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Date: 30 May 2003 20:45 GMT
>
>
>Hallo Stefan,
>
>ich forsche ebenfalls in Stöckheim und Sülbeck. Weitere Infos kannst Du
auf
>meiner Homepage sehen. Weitere von Dir nicht genannte Orte in dem Bereich
>sind ebenfalls dabei.
>
>
>MfG
>
>Jürgen Rode
>53229 Bonn
>
>http://home.t-online.de/home/j.rode
>
>
>"Stefan Spalteholz" <stefan.spalteholz(a)epost.de> schrieb:
>> Hallo Mitforscher,
>> bin neu in der Liste und wollte mich vorstellen.
>> Mein Name ist Stefan Spalteholz, 30 Jahre jung und wohne in Darmstadt.
>> Meine Schwerpunkt in der Forschung liegen in Hessen, Sachsen, Thüringen
>> und Niedersachsen.
>> Ich gebe mal einen Kurzüberblick über meine Orte und Namen aus Niedersachsen
>> :
>> Upen - Bosse und Sperling
>> Einbeck - Brand, Delliehausen,Francke und Rannenberg,
>> Gitter - Frikke, Sander und Schrader
>> Hullersen - Meyer
>> Klein-Ilsede - Köhler
>> Scharzfeld - Fischer, Lier, Söhle und Wehmer
>> Sülbeck - Rimrads
>> Stöckheim - Bonhagen
>> Falls jemand in den gleichen Orten forscht  bzw hach den gleichen Namen
>> würde ich mich über eine nachricht freuen.
>> Viele Grüße
>> Stefan Spalteholz
>> Beckstr. 59
>> 64287 Darmstadt
>> Tel.: 06151 425 315
>> Mitglied bei AMF, HfV und den Waldensern
>>
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Re: [HN] Pre church records

Date: 2003/05/30 23:55:03
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Is the web site for ALL German records?  Or just one town?
Maureen

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:51 AM
Subject: Antw: [HN] Pre church records


Hello M., 

Did you think of the Duderstadt city archives ? 

titan.mpi-g.gwdg.de/duderstadt/archiv.htm 

Greetings 

Falk Liebezeit 

>>> mahm(a)globaldsl.net 05/14 5:32  >>>
Does anyone know the website listing town records to search that were
written before church records?

Margaret Miesterfeld


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