Monatsdigest

[HN] Braunschweig and Hannover

Date: 2002/12/01 14:58:52
From: RID1541 <RID1541(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 12/1/02 6:03:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net writes:
To
> wbl435(a)aol.com

There is a relationship between Braunschweig and Hannover. Do a googlesearch 
on Kingdom of Hanover and/or the Welfen and you will see pages of it.
Have a great weekend.
Ingrid






[HN] Klünder und Katz

Date: 2002/12/01 20:23:58
From: Gabi Reinberg <Gabi.Reinberg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
ich bin auf der Suche nach Informationen über die Eltern von
 
Johann Heinrich Christian L(R)udolph Klünder 
*20.10.1789 in Pattensen (evangelisch)
+ vermtl. in Pattensen
Er war von Beruf Kantor.
Die Namen seiner Eltern: Heinrich Ludwig Klünder und Sophia Margaretha Tufften.

und seiner Ehefrau 

Friederike Ernestine Eleonore Charlotte Katz
*15.07.1804 in Eldagsen (evangelisch)
+ vermtl. in Pattensen
Die Namen Ihrer Eltern: Johann Conard Katz und Ernestine Helene Louise Rinne(n) 

Leider sind von den Elternpaaren nur die Namen bekannt.
 
Viele Grüße Gabi aus Bremen


Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/02 16:10:32
From: Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D. <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>

Barb;

Thank you for the information.

There is a large Niehaus family line in St. Louis ... unfortunately we don't seem to be related to them.

Gary





Dear Dr. Niehaus,

Lucky for you to have those precious treasures.
Barb

P.S. There is a John Nienhaus buried at Calvary Cemetery in St. Louis, Missouri. I cme across this while coping an internment record from microfilm from some of my ancestors. It doesn't have an age or date of burial but does say the lot was purchased on 14 May 1879. Thought I'd share with you, though the spelling is slightly different, seems that there were alot of people of from Hannover that came to the midwest.

For those who may have had Catholic ancestors in the St. Louis,Missouri area, here is a free search site:

http://www.stlcathcem.com/iSearch.aspx

Regards,
Barb



From: "Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D." <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] requested translations
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:06:37 -0800

Good Morning Listers;

My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in 1872. We have no detailed information about the family that he left in Europe. Recently, we discovered two German language documents that may relate to him. Unfortunately, none of us speak German. I am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing to translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short note). I have posted the documents on the following website.

http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/

Thank you for your assistance.

Gary
--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


_________________________________________________________________
Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963


--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu


Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/02 16:11:41
From: Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D. <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>

Werner;

Thank you for your kindness.

Gary



The letter came from Diepholz, therfore I forwared your email to Falk Liebezeit, a researcher in Diepholz.
See also www.diepholz.de

Werner

 Good Morning Listers;

 My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in
 1872.  We have no detailed information  about the family that he left
 in Europe.  Recently, we discovered two German language documents
 that may relate to him.  Unfortunately, none of us speak German.  I
 am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing to
 translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short note).  I
 have posted the documents on the following website.

 http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/

 Thank you for your assistance.

 Gary
 --
 Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
 Associate Professor of Physiology
 Northeastern Ohio Universities
    College of Medicine
 Box 95
 Rootstown, Ohio 44272
 330 325 6420 (office)
 330 325 5912 (FAX)
 gdn(a)neoucom.edu

 _______________________________________________
 Hannover-L mailing list
 > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
 > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu


[HN] franz henrich ridderbusch

Date: 2002/12/02 19:43:44
From: W.A. Ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl>

Sehr geehrter Frau/Herr,

Zufolge dem Archiv in Amsterdam kam
Franz Henrich Ridderbusch (oder Ritterbusch)
von Hämelschenburg und seine Frau Dorothea Albrink
(oder Aalbrink, Allebrink) von Aerzem.

Franz Henrich ist geboren in 1746 und ist
(allein oder mit seinen Eltern) nach Holland gegehen
wo er in 1777 in Amsterdam heirate mit Dorothea
(geboren 1745).

Zufolge dem Evang.-luth. Archiv in Amsterdam kamen
beide von 'das Hanoversche' (Königreich Hannover?).

Können Sie für mich in ihrem Archiv nachsehen ob
Franz Henrich Ridderbusch in ihrer Gemeinde wird
geboren und wen wären seine Eltern?

Wenn Sie Kosten werden machen wurde ich das
selbstverständlich bezahlen.

Wenn ihre Stadt keines Archiv besitzt, wollen Sie
dieses Schreiben weiterleiten am Archiv von der
Evang-luth. Kirche in ihrer Gemeinde?

Wollen Sie bei ihrer Antwort der Name ihrer Gemeinde
erwähnen? Gehörte ihre Gemeinde früher zu
Fürstentum Hannover?

Im voraus vieler Dank!

W.A.Ridderbos


[HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/02 20:07:20
From: CarolSue Robinson <cswr(a)earthlink.net>

(my paternal ancestry)
John Henry "Daniel" WALTER, b. before 1790:
resided Hohehahn, Diederichfield, Ostfriesland (Prussia)
married to: Catherine (Unknown - possibly VOSLOH/VOSLOH. He was a Lutheran Minister in Germany.

   FIVE sons with their wives and families emigrated to United States
between 1851-1854. At least one grandson was also
married, and emigrated.

1.    Daniel WALTER (marr: RODEWALD),
2.    William John WALTER (marr: MANSEN), and
3.    Johann (John) "Christian" WALTER (marr: VINYARD);
      all emigrated in 1852 with their children.

4.    John Nickolas Daniel WALTER
(marr: MILLER or MUELLER), emigrated July/Aug 1851.

5.    John Henry WALTER (marr: RENKEN) from
Osnabruck, emigrated 1854 and reunited with his brothers in the U.S.

   Other than finding correct origin of the above family, I do have
concerns about the surname: WALTER.  I have been told that it
is impossible for the family WALTER to be Ostfriesian, although in
my possession, I have a baptismal certificate for Henrietta WALTER,
baptized at Lutheran Church in Aurich. It has been suggested that the surname would be spelled
WATTJE, or WATTJES.  Henrietta was born on September
27, 1843 in Diederichfeld, Germany, the daughter of Daniel
Henry WALTER and Johanna Amalia RODEWALD
(Hannover). Henrietta was baptised October 8, 1843,
she married John P. FOREMAN (Prussia) in southern Illinois.
Henrietta's last name on the certificate is spelled W-A-L-T-E-R.
(with no "s" as in Walters).

   At least John "Henry" Daniel WALTER, (born: 1812 Osnabruck
/ Kings Select Army for 6 years) with wife, Almuth Harms RENKEN,
( born April 1813, Ostersander) and children, departed from the
Port of Bremerhaven, to the Port of New Orleans.  There is no
proof on the journeys of the other brothers.  But, since he was last
to emigrate, I am fairly certain that the brothers who emigrated
before him, took the same route.
   All of the above family settled in southern Illinois, Pope County,
and founded a small community named Waltersburg, Illinois, where
the language spoken was German or Plattdeutsch.  They established
a German Lutheran Church, and school, market and other businesses,
where many other immigrants from Germany settled.  Since about
1920, this little community has become nearly a ghost-town, and
most all descendants are lost and scattered across the United States.
The Church, now Methodist, is still in good repair, as well as the cemetery.


(my maternal ancestry - no Hannover implied)
Surname: SITZLER, SITCHLER, SISTLER, SISLER, SIZLER:
   Zacharias (SITZLER) SISTLER, emigrated 1735 to Philadelphia
from Germany. John Lenard SIZLER, emigrated with younger brother John Peter,
in 1741 from Rotterdam, Palatine region.


I have tried researching the Ship Lists, to no avail. I've been told that the manifests were destroyed from Bremen and
Bremerhaven for this era.  Whatever help can be given, is much
appreciated. Please, forgive me if I have over extended this posting.
CarolSue Walter-Robinson



Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/02 20:56:27
From: Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D. <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>

Good Afternoon Listers;

Genealogists are such giving people! You were fantastic in your response to my request to translate the postcard and recipe. Twenty of you contributed to that translation effort. As a result of your help, we now know that in 1910 my great grandfather had a brother, niece and two nephews living in Diepholz. We also know that several individuals with the appropriate family names currently live in Diepholz. There are a number of other interesting clues as well.

Thank you for your kindness.

Gary






Good Morning Listers;

My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in 1872. We have no detailed information about the family that he left in Europe. Recently, we discovered two German language documents that may relate to him. Unfortunately, none of us speak German. I am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing to translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short note). I have posted the documents on the following website.

http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/

Thank you for your assistance.

Gary
--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu


--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu


Re: [HN] franz henrich ridderbusch

Date: 2002/12/02 22:49:08
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

"W.A. Ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl> schrieb:
> Sehr geehrter Frau/Herr,
> 
> Zufolge dem Archiv in Amsterdam kam
> Franz Henrich Ridderbusch (oder Ritterbusch)
> von Hämelschenburg und seine Frau Dorothea Albrink
> (oder Aalbrink, Allebrink) von Aerzem.
> 
> Franz Henrich ist geboren in 1746 und ist
> (allein oder mit seinen Eltern) nach Holland gegehen
> wo er in 1777 in Amsterdam heirate mit Dorothea
> (geboren 1745).
> 
> Zufolge dem Evang.-luth. Archiv in Amsterdam kamen
> beide von 'das Hanoversche' (Königreich Hannover?).
> 
> Können Sie für mich in ihrem Archiv nachsehen ob
> Franz Henrich Ridderbusch in ihrer Gemeinde wird
> geboren und wen wären seine Eltern?
> 
> Wenn Sie Kosten werden machen wurde ich das
> selbstverständlich bezahlen.
> 
> Wenn ihre Stadt keines Archiv besitzt, wollen Sie
> dieses Schreiben weiterleiten am Archiv von der
> Evang-luth. Kirche in ihrer Gemeinde?
> 
> Wollen Sie bei ihrer Antwort der Name ihrer Gemeinde
> erwähnen? Gehörte ihre Gemeinde früher zu
> Fürstentum Hannover?
> 
> Im voraus vieler Dank!
> 
> W.A.Ridderbos
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
Hallo Herr Ridderbos, 

AERZEN, nicht mit "M" am Ende. 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen 

Falk Liebezeit
Friedrichstr. 25 
49356 Diepholz

 05441-7336


Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 01:59:35
From: THEBOSCHBOSCHE <THEBOSCHBOSCHE(a)aol.com>

Hi Carol Sue

My comment is in reference to the spelling of WALTER on Henrietta's 
certificate.

The spelling may be WALTER to you, but it may have been something else to the 
person who wrote it, after all it was written many years ago.

I spent some considerable time looking for my great grandmother's nonexistent 
family, because I was looking for the family name I saw, not the one that was 
written.  There are many letters in old German script which many of us 
interpret to be another letter because it looks similar to one we use today.  
 In my case I saw a capital "H", which later turned to be a capital "N".   
When I started looking for the name starting with the N, I found the family 
with little effort.

There is a spiral leaf book (booklet) ISBN 0-9615420-0-4 by Edna M. Bentz, 
which may help you (and others).  It is titled:  "If I can You can Decipher 
Germanic Records." 

As I said it "May" help you.  She has over 20 variations for each letter for 
each the high and low cases.   She also has a separate section for the areas 
influenced by Danish and another section influenced by Latin.  The Latin 
influence was of course in Catholic churches.   Now, I can add another 
problem.  Many early records in the U S were written in English, but using 
old German script, as a result the writing did not appear to be German or 
English.

On the other hand, it may really be WALTER, after all, anyone can spell their 
name anyway they want to. 

In reading this e-mail over for errors, it appears that I have been less than 
helpful.  In other words disregard this, scan the document and sent a copy to 
a professional.

Gale Bosche
Sunny CA


Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 04:22:08
From: CarolSue Robinson <cswr(a)earthlink.net>

Thank you Gale, for your thoughtful reply.  I am somewhat
familiar with German Script.  The document clearly shows
Henrietta WALTER, (written at the Lutheran Church in
Aurich).  Also subsequent letters to the family and from
the family use the WALTER surname.  In addition, the town
of WALTERSBURG was established in southern Illinois. All
of the U.S. Census records spell WALTER.
They say mostly they are from Aurich, Ostfriesland, Germany. The
problem I am having is that their surname is not accepted as
a genuine or legitimate Ostfriesan name.  It is possible that once I can
clear up their origins that I will find a different spelling variation,
in fact I am sure of that.  However, from the time they were born,
baptised and left Germany, their surname used was WALTER.
I am trying to find documents that they existed in that location
or close by.

Thanks again, I appreciate your assist.
CarolSue
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

THEBOSCHBOSCHE(a)aol.com wrote:

Hi Carol Sue

My comment is in reference to the spelling of WALTER on Henrietta's certificate.

The spelling may be WALTER to you, but it may have been something else to the person who wrote it, after all it was written many years ago.

I spent some considerable time looking for my great grandmother's nonexistent family, because I was looking for the family name I saw, not the one that was written. There are many letters in old German script which many of us interpret to be another letter because it looks similar to one we use today. In my case I saw a capital "H", which later turned to be a capital "N". When I started looking for the name starting with the N, I found the family with little effort.

There is a spiral leaf book (booklet) ISBN 0-9615420-0-4 by Edna M. Bentz, which may help you (and others). It is titled: "If I can You can Decipher Germanic Records." As I said it "May" help you. She has over 20 variations for each letter for each the high and low cases. She also has a separate section for the areas influenced by Danish and another section influenced by Latin. The Latin influence was of course in Catholic churches. Now, I can add another problem. Many early records in the U S were written in English, but using old German script, as a result the writing did not appear to be German or English.

On the other hand, it may really be WALTER, after all, anyone can spell their name anyway they want to. In reading this e-mail over for errors, it appears that I have been less than helpful. In other words disregard this, scan the document and sent a copy to a professional.

Gale Bosche
Sunny CA

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l





Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 05:37:04
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello,
      I would guess that you have done this, but if you haven't, I would
suggest that  you do a search on the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) and
enter only the surname of Walter and check the box for exact spelling.  Then
you should be convinced that Walter (spelled your  way) is indeed a
legitimate German name!  There should be no question--
     And are you aware that the LDS does have records for Aurich on
microfilm? My road atlas of Germany shows that both Hohehahn and
Dietrichsfeld are not far from Aurich. It is possible that their records
would all be on the Aurich film.
     I have been looking in New Orleans passenger lists on film, too, and
cannot find the names I'm looking for.  For example, July-Dec 1852 are
missing. And in August 1853, the lists are all  missing except for three.
Also try the website (www.istg.rootsweb.com) -- there are many lists there.
But if the lists are lost, we will never find them!  I would also check the
Baltimore lists--there are many from northwest Germany that came that way.
I didn't find my people there, but you never know, you might be  lucky.
Barbara





on 12/2/02 12:07 PM, CarolSue Robinson at cswr(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> (my paternal ancestry)
> John Henry "Daniel" WALTER, b. before 1790:
> resided Hohehahn, Diederichfield, Ostfriesland (Prussia)
> married to: Catherine (Unknown - possibly VOSLOH/VOSLOH.
> He was a Lutheran Minister in Germany.
> 
> FIVE sons with their wives and families emigrated to United States
> between 1851-1854. At least one grandson was also
> married, and emigrated.
> 
> 1.    Daniel WALTER (marr: RODEWALD),
> 2.    William John WALTER (marr: MANSEN), and
> 3.    Johann (John) "Christian" WALTER (marr: VINYARD);
> all emigrated in 1852 with their children.
> 
> 4.    John Nickolas Daniel WALTER
> (marr: MILLER or MUELLER), emigrated July/Aug 1851.
> 
> 5.    John Henry WALTER (marr: RENKEN) from
> Osnabruck, emigrated 1854 and reunited with his brothers in the U.S.
> 
> Other than finding correct origin of the above family, I do have
> concerns about the surname: WALTER.  I have been told that it
> is impossible for the family WALTER to be Ostfriesian, although in
> my possession, I have a baptismal certificate for Henrietta WALTER,
> baptized at Lutheran Church in Aurich.
> It has been suggested that the surname would be spelled
> WATTJE, or WATTJES.  Henrietta was born on September
> 27, 1843 in Diederichfeld, Germany, the daughter of Daniel
> Henry WALTER and Johanna Amalia RODEWALD
> (Hannover). Henrietta was baptised October 8, 1843,
> she married John P. FOREMAN (Prussia) in southern Illinois.
> Henrietta's last name on the certificate is spelled W-A-L-T-E-R.
> (with no "s" as in Walters).
> 
> At least John "Henry" Daniel WALTER, (born: 1812 Osnabruck
> / Kings Select Army for 6 years) with wife, Almuth Harms RENKEN,
> ( born April 1813, Ostersander) and children, departed from the
> Port of Bremerhaven, to the Port of New Orleans.  There is no
> proof on the journeys of the other brothers.  But, since he was last
> to emigrate, I am fairly certain that the brothers who emigrated
> before him, took the same route.
> 
> All of the above family settled in southern Illinois, Pope County,
> and founded a small community named Waltersburg, Illinois, where
> the language spoken was German or Plattdeutsch.  They established
> a German Lutheran Church, and school, market and other businesses,
> where many other immigrants from Germany settled.  Since about
> 1920, this little community has become nearly a ghost-town, and
> most all descendants are lost and scattered across the United States.
> The Church, now Methodist, is still in good repair, as well as the cemetery.
> 
> 
> (my maternal ancestry - no Hannover implied)
> Surname: SITZLER, SITCHLER, SISTLER, SISLER, SIZLER:
> Zacharias (SITZLER) SISTLER, emigrated 1735 to Philadelphia
> from Germany.  
> John Lenard SIZLER, emigrated with younger brother John Peter,
> in 1741 from Rotterdam, Palatine region.
> 
> 
> I have tried researching the Ship Lists, to no avail.
> I've been told that the manifests were destroyed from Bremen and
> Bremerhaven for this era.  Whatever help can be given, is much
> appreciated. Please, forgive me if I have over extended this posting.
> 
> CarolSue Walter-Robinson
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Eding/Aeding/Ödding/Oding

Date: 2002/12/03 05:38:38
From: Robert L. Owens <mephisto(a)iland.net>

Eding/Aeding/Ödding/Oding
With the help of two excellent genealogists and several friends in Germany I have the Eding family back to 1650.   Most might say what more do I want but I am indeed looking for more.   I have not seen much traffic dealing with the towns from whence these people came which are Holtum-Geest (Near Verden), Scheessel, Gräpel and Ottendorf (the latter two near Bremervoerde) but I thought it worth a try.   Should anyone encounter these various Eding names in their research I would be most grateful to hear from them.    My main goal is to find where they came from prior to Holtum-Geest.   There are indications they may have come from the area of Braunschweig or Wolfenbüttel but I have not been able to find this thread.

Any information will be most appreciated.  (Ich kann auch Deutsch lesen)

mephisto(a)iland.net



Re: [HN] WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 05:52:01
From: Gary E. Myer <bruggeym(a)bcpl.net>

Hi Carol,

Just a thought--you said the father was a pastor? If so, he may have been called there from some other part of Germany--i.e., was not necessarily East Friesian at all. He may have recorded the sacraments (baptism, confirmation etc.) for his family in a personal log he kept only for the family (I have heard of ministers who did this) and for that reason their names would not appear in the parish register.

Has someone from Aurich written you and said that "Walter" cannot be East Friesian? I find that too funny! "Walther" is another spelling, and North Germans were into patronymics, so an alternate could be "Walters" (the "s" implying "of Walter"). Just some thoughts to consider. Wasn't Aurich also an "Amt"--i.e., they could have been from a parish near, but not directly in, Aurich? Were the letters addressed to/from Aurich?

Another thought is that he was called to Aurich after his children were already christened, so that the children's earliest memories might have been of Aurich but their birth/christening place was actually somewhere else. For Baden and the Pfalz (and probably for Ostfriesland), there are wonderful books which have been published which are biographical dictionaries of clergy and even of church musicians which have helped me trace some of my family lines back into the 1500's. I'm guessing the Archiv or the Bibliothek in Emden or Aurich must have this kind of resource.

Is anyone out there who lives in the Emden/Aurich area who can check on this?

--Gary

--
Gary E. Myer
37 Colonial Drive
Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
(voice) 410-636-1113 (email) bruggeym(a)bcpl.net
I Cor 13:4 (from "The Message", Eugene H. Peterson's transl. of NT)





Re: [HN] WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 06:47:27
From: CarolSue Robinson <cswr(a)earthlink.net>

My goodness!! I am a little teary eyed and overwhelmed at
the friendly help given here.  I have been searching for
about 25 years...a promise I made to my father about the
Walter family he never knew.  I gave it up about 2 years ago
when I was told by a different list that the WALTER family did not
belong there.  It's not a big thing, I suppose, but it has taken a
little bit of courage for me to post this.  I am really encouraged
by the response you have given me.  Thank you!

Barbara......I am in an extremely remote area of NW California.
However, there is an LDS library about 70 miles North (Oregon).
I will for sure call them and ask about the Aurich microfilm. I tried to
do a volunteer look-up project there, but the fires prevented me from
completing it.  They were very helpful to me.  Thanks for this suggestion,
I can't wait to call them, and I did not know about it. Yes, the Passenger
Lists are tragic and if we can only depend on them, we are lost.

Gary......I have thought that perhaps John Henry "Daniel" Walter, could
have been a travelling Minister for the Lutheran Church.  Do you know
if that was customary in the early 1800s?  It seems to have been a
common practice in the U.S. in the later 1800s.  Lutheran ministers
visited the church in Waltersburg, IL from outlying areas, at least
until one wanted to make a home there.  I assume he held some kind of
Theology certification or degree, especially in Germany.  I can find no
record of him and his wife ever emigrating.  They may have died about
1850, since his five sons emigrated shortly after that.  I do believe there
are still family that remained in Germany....especially sisters who were
married.    Yes, I had several letters from a different list years ago that
dissuaded me from thinking that WALTER is a qualified Ostfriesian name.
I have not done much since then because I did not know where to turn.
We do have a WALTER, marrying into the WALTHER family in the same
region of Illinois. I am not sure about the postmarks.......they are in my bank safe deposit box.
I believe two were from Aurich (or so I was told), one from Oldenburg, and
two from the RENKEN family in Ostersander addressed to "Almuth Harms
(RENKEN) WALTER".  My grandmother told me they were written in Low-German.
The letters concerned mostly with the travel arrangements for the family
still planning to come across.  I have a list of Almuth's siblings, but no
parents names.  Almuth is my gr gr grandaunt...married to my gggrandfather's
brother.  ahhh!  Her husband died within two months of arriving here.

Gary said:
"For Baden and the Pfalz (and probably for Ostfriesland), there are wonderful books which have been published which are biographical dictionaries of clergy and even of church musicians which have helped me trace some of my family lines back into the 1500's. I'm guessing the Archiv or the Bibliothek in Emden or Aurich must have this kind of resource."

Would you know, Gary, where I could begin to access this information?

With my sincere appreciation,
Carol



Re: [HN] WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 07:09:24
From: Steven C. Wehling <wehling(a)rushmore.com>

The Walter in this group sheet was from Rieste, Germany which is by
Osnabrück, the Feldkamps and the Klues family both ended up in Cincinnati
in the 1840s or 50s the family below were in the Catholic Church registers,
I also have a Walther family that are from the Sonderhausen area of Germany
and they are also part of my family that came to the USA, they were very
much Lutheran, I will also put there group sheet on the list for you to see.
Steve


Family Group Sheet

============================================================================
====
Husband: Heinrich Friedrich Carl Feldkamp
============================================================================
====
        AKA:
       Born: 19 Oct 1830 - Rieste, Germany
 Christened:
       Died:
     Buried:
     Father: Joseph Feldkamp (1796-1874)
     Mother: Catharina Maria Adelheidis Klues (1801-1885)
    Married: 13 Feb 1858               Place: Lage Parish, Rieste, Germany
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Other Spouse: Maria Gertrude Elizabeth Torbecke (1833-          )
       Date: 4 Feb 1864 - Lage Catholic Parish, Rieste, Germany
============================================================================
====
   Wife: Maria Gertrude Walter
============================================================================
====
        AKA:
       Born: 18 Nov 1826 - Rieste, Germany
 Christened:
       Died:
     Buried:
     Father: Bernard Walter (          -          )
     Mother: Catharina Schneithorst (          -          )

============================================================================
====
Wife's General Notes
============================================================================
====

Witnesses: Herman Walter and Elizabeth Kotte from Rieste

Last Modified: 2 Dec 2002


----- Original Message -----
From: "CarolSue Robinson" <cswr(a)earthlink.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER


> My goodness!! I am a little teary eyed and overwhelmed at
> the friendly help given here.  I have been searching for
> about 25 years...a promise I made to my father about the
> Walter family he never knew.  I gave it up about 2 years ago
> when I was told by a different list that the WALTER family did not
> belong there.  It's not a big thing, I suppose, but it has taken a
> little bit of courage for me to post this.  I am really encouraged
> by the response you have given me.  Thank you!
>
> Barbara......I am in an extremely remote area of NW California.
> However, there is an LDS library about 70 miles North (Oregon).
> I will for sure call them and ask about the Aurich microfilm. I tried to
> do a volunteer look-up project there, but the fires prevented me from
> completing it.  They were very helpful to me.  Thanks for this suggestion,
> I can't wait to call them, and I did not know about it. Yes, the Passenger
> Lists are tragic and if we can only depend on them, we are lost.
>
> Gary......I have thought that perhaps John Henry "Daniel" Walter, could
> have been a travelling Minister for the Lutheran Church.  Do you know
> if that was customary in the early 1800s?  It seems to have been a
> common practice in the U.S. in the later 1800s.  Lutheran ministers
> visited the church in Waltersburg, IL from outlying areas, at least
> until one wanted to make a home there.  I assume he held some kind of
> Theology certification or degree, especially in Germany.  I can find no
> record of him and his wife ever emigrating.  They may have died about
> 1850, since his five sons emigrated shortly after that.  I do believe
there
> are still family that remained in Germany....especially sisters who were
> married.    Yes, I had several letters from a different list years ago
that
> dissuaded me from thinking that WALTER is a qualified Ostfriesian name.
> I have not done much since then because I did not know where to turn.
> We do have a WALTER, marrying into the WALTHER family in the same
> region of Illinois.
>
> I am not sure about the postmarks.......they are in my bank safe deposit
> box.
> I believe two were from Aurich (or so I was told), one from Oldenburg, and
> two from the RENKEN family in Ostersander addressed to "Almuth Harms
> (RENKEN) WALTER".  My grandmother told me they were written in Low-German.
> The letters concerned mostly with the travel arrangements for the family
> still planning to come across.  I have a list of Almuth's siblings, but no
> parents names.  Almuth is my gr gr grandaunt...married to my
gggrandfather's
> brother.  ahhh!  Her husband died within two months of arriving here.
>
> Gary said:
> "For Baden and the Pfalz (and probably for Ostfriesland), there are
> wonderful books which have been published which are biographical
> dictionaries of clergy and even of church musicians which have helped me
> trace some of my family lines back into the 1500's.  I'm guessing the
> Archiv or the Bibliothek in Emden or Aurich must have this kind of
> resource."
>
> Would you know, Gary, where I could begin to access this information?
>
> With my sincere appreciation,
> Carol
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



Re: [HN] Eding/Aeding/Ödding/Oding

Date: 2002/12/03 07:09:50
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

"Robert L. Owens" <mephisto(a)iland.net> schrieb:
> Eding/Aeding/Ödding/Oding
> With the help of two excellent genealogists and several friends in Germany I have the Eding family back to 1650.   Most might say what more do I want but I am indeed looking for more.   I have not seen much traffic dealing with the towns from whence these people came which are Holtum-Geest (Near Verden), Scheessel, Gräpel and Ottendorf (the latter two near Bremervoerde) but I thought it worth a try.   Should anyone encounter these various Eding names in their research I would be most grateful to hear from them.    My main goal is to find where they came from prior to Holtum-Geest.   There are indications they may have come from the area of Braunschweig or Wolfenbüttel but I have not been able to find this thread.
> 
> Any information will be most appreciated.  (Ich kann auch Deutsch lesen)
> 
> mephisto(a)iland.net
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 

Dear Mr., 

Holtum-Geest as part of the parish Thedinghausen/Lunsen was part of Braunschweig until well into the 1950s, so they would not have to move

Mit freundlichen Grüßen 

Falk Liebezeit
Friedrichstr. 25 
49356 Diepholz

 05441-7336


Re: [HN] WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 07:10:22
From: Steven C. Wehling <wehling(a)rushmore.com>

Family Group Sheet

============================================================================
====
Husband: Heinrich Christoph Walther
============================================================================
====
        AKA:
       Born:
 Christened:
       Died:
     Buried:
    Married: 1775                      Place:
============================================================================
====
   Wife: Frau Anna Catharina Wiedling
============================================================================
====
        AKA:
       Born: 1755
 Christened:
       Died:
     Buried:
     Father: N.N. Wiedling (          -          )
     Mother: Unknown (          -          )
============================================================================
====
Children
============================================================================
====
1  F  Johanne Friederika Walther
       Born: Oct 1775 - Hohenebra
 Christened:
       Died: May 1843 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
     Buried:
     Spouse: Johann Heinrich Junge (1763-1833)
 Marr. Date:
     Spouse:
 Marr. Date:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
2  F  Anna Justine Walther
       Born: Nov 1780 - Hohenebra
 Christened:
       Died: Jan 1831 - Hohenebra, 50 Years, 1 Month, 23 Days
     Buried:
     Spouse: Johann Gottlieb Robock (          -          )
 Marr. Date:
     Spouse:
 Marr. Date:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Last Modified: 9 Oct 2002


----- Original Message -----
From: "CarolSue Robinson" <cswr(a)earthlink.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER


> My goodness!! I am a little teary eyed and overwhelmed at
> the friendly help given here.  I have been searching for
> about 25 years...a promise I made to my father about the
> Walter family he never knew.  I gave it up about 2 years ago
> when I was told by a different list that the WALTER family did not
> belong there.  It's not a big thing, I suppose, but it has taken a
> little bit of courage for me to post this.  I am really encouraged
> by the response you have given me.  Thank you!
>
> Barbara......I am in an extremely remote area of NW California.
> However, there is an LDS library about 70 miles North (Oregon).
> I will for sure call them and ask about the Aurich microfilm. I tried to
> do a volunteer look-up project there, but the fires prevented me from
> completing it.  They were very helpful to me.  Thanks for this suggestion,
> I can't wait to call them, and I did not know about it. Yes, the Passenger
> Lists are tragic and if we can only depend on them, we are lost.
>
> Gary......I have thought that perhaps John Henry "Daniel" Walter, could
> have been a travelling Minister for the Lutheran Church.  Do you know
> if that was customary in the early 1800s?  It seems to have been a
> common practice in the U.S. in the later 1800s.  Lutheran ministers
> visited the church in Waltersburg, IL from outlying areas, at least
> until one wanted to make a home there.  I assume he held some kind of
> Theology certification or degree, especially in Germany.  I can find no
> record of him and his wife ever emigrating.  They may have died about
> 1850, since his five sons emigrated shortly after that.  I do believe
there
> are still family that remained in Germany....especially sisters who were
> married.    Yes, I had several letters from a different list years ago
that
> dissuaded me from thinking that WALTER is a qualified Ostfriesian name.
> I have not done much since then because I did not know where to turn.
> We do have a WALTER, marrying into the WALTHER family in the same
> region of Illinois.
>
> I am not sure about the postmarks.......they are in my bank safe deposit
> box.
> I believe two were from Aurich (or so I was told), one from Oldenburg, and
> two from the RENKEN family in Ostersander addressed to "Almuth Harms
> (RENKEN) WALTER".  My grandmother told me they were written in Low-German.
> The letters concerned mostly with the travel arrangements for the family
> still planning to come across.  I have a list of Almuth's siblings, but no
> parents names.  Almuth is my gr gr grandaunt...married to my
gggrandfather's
> brother.  ahhh!  Her husband died within two months of arriving here.
>
> Gary said:
> "For Baden and the Pfalz (and probably for Ostfriesland), there are
> wonderful books which have been published which are biographical
> dictionaries of clergy and even of church musicians which have helped me
> trace some of my family lines back into the 1500's.  I'm guessing the
> Archiv or the Bibliothek in Emden or Aurich must have this kind of
> resource."
>
> Would you know, Gary, where I could begin to access this information?
>
> With my sincere appreciation,
> Carol
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 07:14:53
From: Steven C. Wehling <wehling(a)rushmore.com>

Just a note that many Germans also came through Port Huron by way of Canada
( My GGrandfather did) because it was less costly.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Stewart" <raymondg(a)attbi.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN,
VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER


> Hello,
>       I would guess that you have done this, but if you haven't, I would
> suggest that  you do a search on the LDS website (www.familysearch.org)
and
> enter only the surname of Walter and check the box for exact spelling.
Then
> you should be convinced that Walter (spelled your  way) is indeed a
> legitimate German name!  There should be no question--
>      And are you aware that the LDS does have records for Aurich on
> microfilm? My road atlas of Germany shows that both Hohehahn and
> Dietrichsfeld are not far from Aurich. It is possible that their records
> would all be on the Aurich film.
>      I have been looking in New Orleans passenger lists on film, too, and
> cannot find the names I'm looking for.  For example, July-Dec 1852 are
> missing. And in August 1853, the lists are all  missing except for three.
> Also try the website (www.istg.rootsweb.com) -- there are many lists
there.
> But if the lists are lost, we will never find them!  I would also check
the
> Baltimore lists--there are many from northwest Germany that came that way.
> I didn't find my people there, but you never know, you might be  lucky.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
> on 12/2/02 12:07 PM, CarolSue Robinson at cswr(a)earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > (my paternal ancestry)
> > John Henry "Daniel" WALTER, b. before 1790:
> > resided Hohehahn, Diederichfield, Ostfriesland (Prussia)
> > married to: Catherine (Unknown - possibly VOSLOH/VOSLOH.
> > He was a Lutheran Minister in Germany.
> >
> > FIVE sons with their wives and families emigrated to United States
> > between 1851-1854. At least one grandson was also
> > married, and emigrated.
> >
> > 1.    Daniel WALTER (marr: RODEWALD),
> > 2.    William John WALTER (marr: MANSEN), and
> > 3.    Johann (John) "Christian" WALTER (marr: VINYARD);
> > all emigrated in 1852 with their children.
> >
> > 4.    John Nickolas Daniel WALTER
> > (marr: MILLER or MUELLER), emigrated July/Aug 1851.
> >
> > 5.    John Henry WALTER (marr: RENKEN) from
> > Osnabruck, emigrated 1854 and reunited with his brothers in the U.S.
> >
> > Other than finding correct origin of the above family, I do have
> > concerns about the surname: WALTER.  I have been told that it
> > is impossible for the family WALTER to be Ostfriesian, although in
> > my possession, I have a baptismal certificate for Henrietta WALTER,
> > baptized at Lutheran Church in Aurich.
> > It has been suggested that the surname would be spelled
> > WATTJE, or WATTJES.  Henrietta was born on September
> > 27, 1843 in Diederichfeld, Germany, the daughter of Daniel
> > Henry WALTER and Johanna Amalia RODEWALD
> > (Hannover). Henrietta was baptised October 8, 1843,
> > she married John P. FOREMAN (Prussia) in southern Illinois.
> > Henrietta's last name on the certificate is spelled W-A-L-T-E-R.
> > (with no "s" as in Walters).
> >
> > At least John "Henry" Daniel WALTER, (born: 1812 Osnabruck
> > / Kings Select Army for 6 years) with wife, Almuth Harms RENKEN,
> > ( born April 1813, Ostersander) and children, departed from the
> > Port of Bremerhaven, to the Port of New Orleans.  There is no
> > proof on the journeys of the other brothers.  But, since he was last
> > to emigrate, I am fairly certain that the brothers who emigrated
> > before him, took the same route.
> >
> > All of the above family settled in southern Illinois, Pope County,
> > and founded a small community named Waltersburg, Illinois, where
> > the language spoken was German or Plattdeutsch.  They established
> > a German Lutheran Church, and school, market and other businesses,
> > where many other immigrants from Germany settled.  Since about
> > 1920, this little community has become nearly a ghost-town, and
> > most all descendants are lost and scattered across the United States.
> > The Church, now Methodist, is still in good repair, as well as the
cemetery.
> >
> >
> > (my maternal ancestry - no Hannover implied)
> > Surname: SITZLER, SITCHLER, SISTLER, SISLER, SIZLER:
> > Zacharias (SITZLER) SISTLER, emigrated 1735 to Philadelphia
> > from Germany.
> > John Lenard SIZLER, emigrated with younger brother John Peter,
> > in 1741 from Rotterdam, Palatine region.
> >
> >
> > I have tried researching the Ship Lists, to no avail.
> > I've been told that the manifests were destroyed from Bremen and
> > Bremerhaven for this era.  Whatever help can be given, is much
> > appreciated. Please, forgive me if I have over extended this posting.
> >
> > CarolSue Walter-Robinson
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



[HN] Re: WALTER and other families

Date: 2002/12/03 15:45:59
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Hello,

I am searching for a WALTER-family, too.

My WALTER ancestors moved in the 1700s from Altenhagen near Springe to Mecklenburg.
I am very interested in the descendants of the following WALTERs. They are:

Luise WALTER (1784-1835), mar. Erich HAUPT (1776-1843), pastor in Neukloster/Mecklb.
Ernst WALTER (1741-1800), pastor in Schwerin, mar. Christiane KOCH
David Johann WALTER (b. 19. mar 1711 in Altenhagen/Springe, d. 14. mar 1774 in 	Klaber/Mecklb.), pastor in Klaber, mar. Catharina GRAMBTZOW
Conrad WALTER (b. 1674 in Greene (?), d. in Altenhagen/Springe), pastor in Altenhagen, 	mar. Elisabeth RUST
Johannes WALTER (b. 1643 in Bisperode, d. 21. may 1686 in Greene, mar. Anna Catherina 	DANNENBERG (b. 1646 in Hüpede, d. 1724 in Greene)
Johannes WALTER (b. abt. 1610 in Stadthagen/Schaumburg-Lippe, d. in Bisperode), mar. 	Catharina SÖTEFLEISCH


Many thanks in advance,

	Christoph Haupt


-- 
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Sehnder Str. 28
D-30559 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de


"CarolSue Robinson" <cswr(a)earthlink.net> schrieb:
> (my paternal ancestry)
> John Henry "Daniel" WALTER, b. before 1790:
>  resided Hohehahn, Diederichfield, Ostfriesland (Prussia)
> married to: Catherine (Unknown - possibly VOSLOH/VOSLOH. 
> He was a Lutheran Minister in Germany.
> 
>     FIVE sons with their wives and families emigrated to United States
> between 1851-1854. At least one grandson was also
> married, and emigrated.
> 
> 1.    Daniel WALTER (marr: RODEWALD),
> 2.    William John WALTER (marr: MANSEN), and
> 3.    Johann (John) "Christian" WALTER (marr: VINYARD);
>        all emigrated in 1852 with their children.
> 
> 4.    John Nickolas Daniel WALTER
> (marr: MILLER or MUELLER), emigrated July/Aug 1851.
> 
> 5.    John Henry WALTER (marr: RENKEN) from
> Osnabruck, emigrated 1854 and reunited with his brothers in the U.S.
> 
>     Other than finding correct origin of the above family, I do have
> concerns about the surname: WALTER.  I have been told that it
> is impossible for the family WALTER to be Ostfriesian, although in
> my possession, I have a baptismal certificate for Henrietta WALTER,
> baptized at Lutheran Church in Aurich. 
> It has been suggested that the surname would be spelled
> WATTJE, or WATTJES.  Henrietta was born on September
> 27, 1843 in Diederichfeld, Germany, the daughter of Daniel
> Henry WALTER and Johanna Amalia RODEWALD
> (Hannover). Henrietta was baptised October 8, 1843,
> she married John P. FOREMAN (Prussia) in southern Illinois.
> Henrietta's last name on the certificate is spelled W-A-L-T-E-R.
> (with no "s" as in Walters).
> 
>     At least John "Henry" Daniel WALTER, (born: 1812 Osnabruck
> / Kings Select Army for 6 years) with wife, Almuth Harms RENKEN,
> ( born April 1813, Ostersander) and children, departed from the
> Port of Bremerhaven, to the Port of New Orleans.  There is no
> proof on the journeys of the other brothers.  But, since he was last
> to emigrate, I am fairly certain that the brothers who emigrated
> before him, took the same route. 
> 
>     All of the above family settled in southern Illinois, Pope County,
> and founded a small community named Waltersburg, Illinois, where
> the language spoken was German or Plattdeutsch.  They established
> a German Lutheran Church, and school, market and other businesses,
> where many other immigrants from Germany settled.  Since about
> 1920, this little community has become nearly a ghost-town, and
> most all descendants are lost and scattered across the United States.
> The Church, now Methodist, is still in good repair, as well as the cemetery.
> 
> 
> (my maternal ancestry - no Hannover implied)
> Surname: SITZLER, SITCHLER, SISTLER, SISLER, SIZLER:
>     Zacharias (SITZLER) SISTLER, emigrated 1735 to Philadelphia
> from Germany.  
>       John Lenard SIZLER, emigrated with younger brother John Peter,
> in 1741 from Rotterdam, Palatine region.
> 
> 
>     I have tried researching the Ship Lists, to no avail. 
> I've been told that the manifests were destroyed from Bremen and
> Bremerhaven for this era.  Whatever help can be given, is much
> appreciated. Please, forgive me if I have over extended this posting.    
> 
> CarolSue Walter-Robinson


Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/03 18:48:46
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Gary,
you said your ancestor in Diepholz are catholics. In this case I think this
family came from the Oldenburger-Münsterland. Damme, Steinfeld and Lohne
have some Niehaus too.
There are two Niehaus researcher on the Oldenburg list, maybe they have more
information. I send a copy to this addresses.
Good luck.
Werner

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D." <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] requested translations


> Good Afternoon Listers;
>
> Genealogists are such giving people!  You were fantastic in your
> response to my request to translate the postcard and recipe.  Twenty
> of you contributed to that translation effort.   As a result of your
> help, we now know that in 1910 my great grandfather had a brother,
> niece and two nephews living in Diepholz.  We also know that several
> individuals with the appropriate family names currently live in
> Diepholz.  There are a number of other interesting clues as well.
>
> Thank you for your kindness.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Good Morning Listers;
> >
> >My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in
> >1872.  We have no detailed information  about the family that he
> >left in Europe.  Recently, we discovered two German language
> >documents that may relate to him.  Unfortunately, none of us speak
> >German.  I am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing
> >to translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short
> >note).  I have posted the documents on the following website.
> >
> >http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/
> >
> >Thank you for your assistance.
> >
> >Gary
> >--
> >Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
> >Associate Professor of Physiology
> >Northeastern Ohio Universities
> >   College of Medicine
> >Box 95
> >Rootstown, Ohio 44272
> >330 325 6420 (office)
> >330 325 5912 (FAX)
> >gdn(a)neoucom.edu
>
>
> --
> Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Physiology
> Northeastern Ohio Universities
>    College of Medicine
> Box 95
> Rootstown, Ohio 44272
> 330 325 6420 (office)
> 330 325 5912 (FAX)
> gdn(a)neoucom.edu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



Re: [HN] WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 18:51:17
From: The Prough's <dprough(a)mail.win.org>

Have you posted to the Ostfriesen list? If not send a subscribe to this address. <OSTFRIESEN-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>
And good luck.  Yvonne



    Yes, I had several letters from a different list years ago that
dissuaded me from thinking that WALTER is a qualified Ostfriesian name.
I have not done much since then because I did not know where to turn.
We do have a WALTER, marrying into the WALTHER family in the same
region of Illinois.


Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/03 22:47:35
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

I beleive you sent this to the wrong person as these are not any of my relies.

----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:38 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER

Hello,
      I would guess that you have done this, but if you haven't, I would
suggest that  you do a search on the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) and
enter only the surname of Walter and check the box for exact spelling.  Then
you should be convinced that Walter (spelled your  way) is indeed a
legitimate German name!  There should be no question--
     And are you aware that the LDS does have records for Aurich on
microfilm? My road atlas of Germany shows that both Hohehahn and
Dietrichsfeld are not far from Aurich. It is possible that their records
would all be on the Aurich film.
     I have been looking in New Orleans passenger lists on film, too, and
cannot find the names I'm looking for.  For example, July-Dec 1852 are
missing. And in August 1853, the lists are all  missing except for three.
Also try the website (www.istg.rootsweb.com) -- there are many lists there.
But if the lists are lost, we will never find them!  I would also check the
Baltimore lists--there are many from northwest Germany that came that way.
I didn't find my people there, but you never know, you might be  lucky.
Barbara





on 12/2/02 12:07 PM, CarolSue Robinson at cswr(a)earthlink.net wrote:

> (my paternal ancestry)
> John Henry "Daniel" WALTER, b. before 1790:
> resided Hohehahn, Diederichfield, Ostfriesland (Prussia)
> married to: Catherine (Unknown - possibly VOSLOH/VOSLOH.
> He was a Lutheran Minister in Germany.
>  
> FIVE sons with their wives and families emigrated to United States
> between 1851-1854. At least one grandson was also
> married, and emigrated.
>  
> 1.    Daniel WALTER (marr: RODEWALD),
> 2.    William John WALTER (marr: MANSEN), and
> 3.    Johann (John) "Christian" WALTER (marr: VINYARD);
> all emigrated in 1852 with their children.
>  
> 4.    John Nickolas Daniel WALTER
> (marr: MILLER or MUELLER), emigrated July/Aug 1851.
>  
> 5.    John Henry WALTER (marr: RENKEN) from
> Osnabruck, emigrated 1854 and reunited with his brothers in the U.S.
>  
> Other than finding correct origin of the above family, I do have
> concerns about the surname: WALTER.  I have been told that it
> is impossible for the family WALTER to be Ostfriesian, although in
> my possession, I have a baptismal certificate for Henrietta WALTER,
> baptized at Lutheran Church in Aurich.
> It has been suggested that the surname would be spelled
> WATTJE, or WATTJES.  Henrietta was born on September
> 27, 1843 in Diederichfeld, Germany, the daughter of Daniel
> Henry WALTER and Johanna Amalia RODEWALD
> (Hannover). Henrietta was baptised October 8, 1843,
> she married John P. FOREMAN (Prussia) in southern Illinois.
> Henrietta's last name on the certificate is spelled W-A-L-T-E-R.
> (with no "s" as in Walters).
>  
> At least John "Henry" Daniel WALTER, (born: 1812 Osnabruck
> / Kings Select Army for 6 years) with wife, Almuth Harms RENKEN,
> ( born April 1813, Ostersander) and children, departed from the
> Port of Bremerhaven, to the Port of New Orleans.  There is no
> proof on the journeys of the other brothers.  But, since he was last
> to emigrate, I am fairly certain that the brothers who emigrated
> before him, took the same route.
>  
> All of the above family settled in southern Illinois, Pope County,
> and founded a small community named Waltersburg, Illinois, where
> the language spoken was German or Plattdeutsch.  They established
> a German Lutheran Church, and school, market and other businesses,
> where many other immigrants from Germany settled.  Since about
> 1920, this little community has become nearly a ghost-town, and
> most all descendants are lost and scattered across the United States.
> The Church, now Methodist, is still in good repair, as well as the cemetery.
>  
>  
> (my maternal ancestry - no Hannover implied)
> Surname: SITZLER, SITCHLER, SISTLER, SISLER, SIZLER:
> Zacharias (SITZLER) SISTLER, emigrated 1735 to Philadelphia
> from Germany.   
> John Lenard SIZLER, emigrated with younger brother John Peter,
> in 1741 from Rotterdam, Palatine region.
>  
>  
> I have tried researching the Ship Lists, to no avail.
> I've been told that the manifests were destroyed from Bremen and
> Bremerhaven for this era.  Whatever help can be given, is much
> appreciated. Please, forgive me if I have over extended this posting.
>  
> CarolSue Walter-Robinson
>  
>  
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] Schoeningen / Hoetensleben / Frellstedt / Warsleben / Esbeck

Date: 2002/12/04 00:19:35
From: Ralf Stamporek <R.S(a)pobox.com>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,

Erst vor Kurzem fand ich die Niedersachsen-Mailingliste. Da habe
ich dann gleich eine Mail mit 'fast' identischem folgenden Inhalt
geschickt. Wer also diese Mail schon mal erhalten hat, sorry fuer
das X-Posting. Aber nachdem ich jetzt auch noch die Hannover-Liste
entdeckt habe, wollte ich auch hier noch mal meine Themen bekannt
machen.

Um einige Bereiche vorzustellen, moechte ich gleich mit ein
paar Daten und auch Fragen beginnen.

KARL ANTON ANDREAS BOSSE, geb. 28.5.1848, Beruf Maurer, gestorben
7.6.1921 in SCHOENINGEN war verheiratet mit PAULINE JOHANNA FRIEDERIKE
KÖHLER, geb. 30.7.1851, gestorben am 7.6.1920 in SCHOENINGEN.
Bekanntes Kind ist
Emma Minna Anna BOSSE, geb. 19.12.1879, SCHOENINGEN, gest. 23.12.1925,
SCHOENINGEN, verheiratet am 23.4.1904 in SCHOENINGEN, mit
Otto August Friedrich HEINE gen. EGGELING, geb. 13.12.1875 in
SCHOENINGEN, gest. 28.9.1917 in SCHOENINGEN.
- hier suche ich jeweils die Eltern und weitere Daten.

Die Eltern von Otto HEINE gen. EGGELING waren:
Auguste Dorothee MUELLER, geb. 17.7.1852 (keine weiteren Daten),
sie war verheiratet mit
August Christian Matthias HEINE gen. EGGELING,
geb. 15.1.1846, gest. 25.3.1904, keine weiteren Daten.
- Hier suche ich zu beiden Teilen die Eltern und Daten

Noch ein Hinweis: ich weiss nicht wann der Namenszusatz EGGELING
zum ersten Mal auftrat.

Karl Heinrich Wilhelm HEINEMANN, geb. 18.4.1863 in HOETENSLEBEN,
get. 10.5.1863, von Beruf Kutscher, keine weiteren Daten,
er war verheiratet mit
Franziska Friedericke Elisabeth SOELTER, geb. 1.1.1860 in
FRELLSTEDT, get. 22.1.1860 ebenda, keine weiteren Daten.
- Hier suche ich zu beiden Teilen die Eltern und Daten
- die Unterlagen von FRELLSTEDT sind heute vermutlich in 
  SUEPPLINGEN

Auguste Karoline Marie Wilhelmine ISENSEE, geb. 12.12.1861 in
SCHOENINGEN, gest. 26.2.1898 in SCHOENINGEN, sie war verheiratet
am 16.10.1887 in SCHOENINGEN mit
Andreas Christoph Heinrich HOBOHM, geb. 7.7.1860 in WARSLEBEN,
gest. 14.7.1931 in SCHOENINGEN. Er war Schumacher.

Die Eltern von Auguste ISENSEE waren
Wilhelm Christoph ISENSEE, von Beruf Maurer, keine weiteren Daten.
Er war verheiratet mit
Marie Elisabeth CULEMANN, geb. in ESBECK (heute SCHOENINGEN),
keine weiteren Daten.
- Hier suche ich zu beiden Teilen weitergehende Daten.

Es wuerde mich sehr freuen, wenn jemand auf dieser Liste ist,
der in vorgenannten Bereichen ebenfalls forscht und Informationen
hat. Sollte ich selbst auch weiterhelfen koennen, kein Problem.

Viele Gruesse
Ralf Stamporek


Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/04 08:42:40
From: Gary E. Myer <bruggeym(a)bcpl.net>

Hi Carol,
I have been doing some digging in old handbooks on my shelves and can't remember where I saw the references to regional biographical works on pastors. Here are some general titles, probably only available in large German libraries: Behrend, Oscar. Verzeichnis der Evangelischen Geistlichlichkeit des Deutschen Reiches nach amtlichen Quellen (Berlin, 1877) Hottinger, Christlieb Gotthold. Die Evangelischen Geistlichen des Deutschen Reiches (Berlin-Strassburg, 1880)

Also found this at: http://walter.meischner.bei.t-online.de/pfalzdor/geschich/geschich.htm "Im Mai 1741 verließen die Vorfahren der Pfalzdorfer mit drei Schiffen ihre Hunrücker Heimat, um den kriegerischen Verwüstungen und der religiösen Unterdrückung zu entgehen. Ihr Ziel war Amerika. Dort hofften sie, in Ruhe leben zu können und in Freiheit ihre Religion ausüben zu dürfen. Ihre Pläne wurden aber schon in Schenkenschanz durch die Holländer zerstört. Man verweigerte ihnen die Durchreise nach Rotterdam, von wo aus die Pfälzer nach Amerika segeln wollten. Nach längeren Verhandlungen mit der Klever Kammer und dem Magistrat der Stadt Goch überließ man den Pfälzern im Herbst 1741 die etwa 10.000 Morgen große Gocher Heide zur Urbarmachung und Besiedlung. Nach erheblichen Anfangsschwierigkeiten, die mit wiederholten Landesverweisungen bedroht waren, wurden die Kolonisten Adam Beeker und Michel Grossert mit einer Bittschrift beim König von Preußen vorstellig. Am 30.April 1743 erließ Friedrich II. einen Spezialbefehl an die Klever Regierung und die Stadt Goch, in dem er den Pfälzern die Ansiedlung auf der Gocher Heide genehmigte. Gleichzeitig erhielten beide Stellen die Anweisung, den Kolonisten behilflich zu sein. Damit war das Siedlungswerk endgültig gesichert. Nach Überwindung der ersten Elendsjahre folgte in den nächsten drei Jahrzehnten ein derartiger Emigrantenstrom, dass die Kolonistenstellen auf der Heide bald vergeben waren. Um 1770 lebten über 100 Pfälzerfamilien mit 568 Personen auf der Gocher Heide, die man seit 1749 Pfalzdorf nannte. Aus Landmangel setzte für die nachwachsenden Generationen die erste Auswanderungswelle ein. Sie erfolgte nach Bönnighardt, Königshardt, Asperheide und Ostfriesland. Bei Aurich entstanden die Orte Plaggenburg, Neu-Pfalzdorf und Dietrichsfeld.

I'm only translating the last part. It deals with Palatine Germans leaving the Hunsrück region planning to sail to America in 1741. However, the Dutch would not let them pass through on the Rhein to Rotterdam. So Friedrich II granted them land on the heath between Goch and Kleve to settle. "By 1770, over 100 Palatine families totaling 568 persons were living on the heath which had been dubbed "Pfalzdorf" in 1749. Due to lack of land, the next generations emigrated from this location to other areas. The first wave went to Bönnighardt, Königshardt, Asperheide and Ostfriesland (East Friesia). Near Aurich the settlements of Plaggenburg, Neu-Pfalzdorf and Dietrichsfeld grew up."

I'm guessing this "Dietrichsfeld" is your Diederichfeld. Interesting that it was a relatively new colony of Palatine descendants. Perhaps your Walter family traces back to the Palatine region.

Will keep looking as time allows.
--Gary


--
Gary E. Myer
37 Colonial Drive
Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
(voice) 410-636-1113 (email) bruggeym(a)bcpl.net
I Cor 13:4 (from "The Message", Eugene H. Peterson's transl. of NT)




Re: [HN] franz henrich ridderbusch

Date: 2002/12/04 11:51:52
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Herr Ridderbos,

Hämelschenburg und Aerzen (nicht Aerzem) gehörten zur fraglichen Zeit zum Kurfürstentum Hannover (1708-1806). Königreich wurde Hannover erst nach der napoleonischen Zeit im Jahre 1814. Bis Ende des 17. Jahrhunderts gehörten beide Orte zum Fürstentum Calenberg (Hannover).

Die Anschriften der zuständigen Pfarrämter (für die Kirchenbücher):

Ev.-luth. Pfarramt Hämelschenburg
31860 Emmerthal

Ev.-luth. Pfarramt Aerzen
An der Kirche 17
31855 Aerzen

Außerdem befinden sich Microfiches der Kirchenbücher
der Hannoverschen Landeskirche im

Ev.-luth. Stadtkirchenverband Hannover
Stadtkirchenkanzlei - Kirchenbuchamt
Postfach 5740
30057 Hannover
Fax: (05 11) 98 78 - 6 60
E-mail: Kirchenbuch.Staki.Hannover(a)evlka.de

Des weiteren gibt es ein gedrucktes Verzeichnis:
Niedersächsische Trauregister - Calenberger Land
(von den Anfängen bis 1750).
Darin fand ich aber unter Hämelschenburg keinen Eintrag für den Namen Ridderbusch. Allerdings weist das Kirchenbuch gerade in dieser Zeit größere Lücken auf.
In Aerzen dagegen sind mehrere Trauungen Albring/Albrink zu finden, die evtl. für die gesuchten Eltern und weitere Vorfahren in Frage kommen könnten (1740, 1737, 1723, 1714, 1704, 1701, 1669, 1667). Dazu müßte ja aber erst einmal der Anschluß über den Geburts-/Taufeintrag für Dorothea Albrink hergestellt werden.

Ich selbst kann da leider nicht weiterhelfen, da ich nicht in der Nähe von Hämelschenburg/Aerzen/Hannover wohne. Ich empfehle eine Anfrage an die Pfarrämter bzw. das Kirchenbuchamt Hannover (gegen Gebühren).

Viel Erfolg und freundliche Grüße
Wilfried Petersen

"W.A. Ridderbos" <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl> schrieb:
>Sehr geehrter Frau/Herr,
>Zufolge dem Archiv in Amsterdam kam
>Franz Henrich Ridderbusch (oder Ritterbusch)
>von Hämelschenburg und seine Frau Dorothea Albrink
>(oder Aalbrink, Allebrink) von Aerzem.
>Franz Henrich ist geboren in 1746 und ist
>(allein oder mit seinen Eltern) nach Holland gegehen
>wo er in 1777 in Amsterdam heirate mit Dorothea
>(geboren 1745).
>Zufolge dem Evang.-luth. Archiv in Amsterdam kamen
>beide von 'das Hanoversche' (Königreich Hannover?).
>Können Sie für mich in ihrem Archiv nachsehen ob
>Franz Henrich Ridderbusch in ihrer Gemeinde wird
>geboren und wen wären seine Eltern?
>Wenn Sie Kosten werden machen wurde ich das
>selbstverständlich bezahlen.
>Wenn ihre Stadt keines Archiv besitzt, wollen Sie
>dieses Schreiben weiterleiten am Archiv von der
>Evang-luth. Kirche in ihrer Gemeinde?
>Wollen Sie bei ihrer Antwort der Name ihrer Gemeinde
>erwähnen? Gehörte ihre Gemeinde früher zu
>Fürstentum Hannover?
>Im voraus vieler Dank!
W.A.Ridderbos



[HN] Pötker, Niehaus, Möller - Indiana/ an alle, besonders to Gary Niehaus and Werner Honkamp

Date: 2002/12/04 12:47:13
From: Erika Giftge <Giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hi Gary,

in a book I found the following paragraph:

In einem Buch fand ich einen Auszug aus dem Jahre 1860:

"Der auswanderungslustige Pötker( damals 16Jahre alt), dessen Vater ein ganz
unbemittelter Neubauer, wird auf Einladung der in Holland, im Staate Indiana
, wohnenden verheirateten Kinder des Colon Lübbert zu Hüsede , eines
Nachbarn von Pötker, nach dem Ort Holland als künftiger Dienstbote in der
Lübbert-Niehausschen Farm auswandern, wenn ihm der Konsens zuteil wird, und
hat jetzt an dem 36 jährigen Möller aus Nellinghof, Amt Damme , dessen
Schwager Möllenkamp, ein  Nachbar der Lübbertschen Kinder in Holland sein
soll, und zu dem Möller sich zu begeben beabsichtigt - einen guten
Reiseschutz."

The rough translation would be:
That a young boy (16) named Poetker asked to be allowed to leave Germany to
go to Holland , Indiana to work on a farm owned by Luebbert- Niehaus
(perhaps the names of the husband and wife of the farm?) and that he would
be accompanied by a man called Moeller, who also wanted to go to that area
because relatives by the name of Moellenkamp lived next to that farm.

Has anyone heard those names before or is there a researcher of that part of
Indiana?
I myself could offer some details about that Poetker boy.

Meine Frage:
Hat jemand Näheres zu deser Lübber- Niehausschen Farm?
Weiss jemand etwas über Möller, Nellinghaus?
Forscht sonst jemand in dieser Gegend Indianas?

Ich selbst habe einiges über Pötker, falls Interesse besteht .


Hallo Werner Honkamp,
Du erwähnst 2 Niehaus Forscher in der Oldenburger Liste.
Könntest du evtl meine Mail auch an sie weiterleiten?

Erika

----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <niehues.seiler(a)web.de>; "Niehaus Robert USA" <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] requested translations


> Hello Gary,
> you said your ancestor in Diepholz are catholics. In this case I think
this
> family came from the Oldenburger-Münsterland. Damme, Steinfeld and Lohne
> have some Niehaus too.
> There are two Niehaus researcher on the Oldenburg list, maybe they have
more
> information. I send a copy to this addresses.
> Good luck.
> Werner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D." <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] requested translations
>
>
> > Good Afternoon Listers;
> >
> > Genealogists are such giving people!  You were fantastic in your
> > response to my request to translate the postcard and recipe.  Twenty
> > of you contributed to that translation effort.   As a result of your
> > help, we now know that in 1910 my great grandfather had a brother,
> > niece and two nephews living in Diepholz.  We also know that several
> > individuals with the appropriate family names currently live in
> > Diepholz.  There are a number of other interesting clues as well.
> >
> > Thank you for your kindness.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Good Morning Listers;
> > >
> > >My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in
> > >1872.  We have no detailed information  about the family that he
> > >left in Europe.  Recently, we discovered two German language
> > >documents that may relate to him.  Unfortunately, none of us speak
> > >German.  I am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing
> > >to translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short
> > >note).  I have posted the documents on the following website.
> > >
> > >http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/
> > >
> > >Thank you for your assistance.
> > >
> > >Gary
> > >--
> > >Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
> > >Associate Professor of Physiology
> > >Northeastern Ohio Universities
> > >   College of Medicine
> > >Box 95
> > >Rootstown, Ohio 44272
> > >330 325 6420 (office)
> > >330 325 5912 (FAX)
> > >gdn(a)neoucom.edu
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
> > Associate Professor of Physiology
> > Northeastern Ohio Universities
> >    College of Medicine
> > Box 95
> > Rootstown, Ohio 44272
> > 330 325 6420 (office)
> > 330 325 5912 (FAX)
> > gdn(a)neoucom.edu
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/04 14:33:26
From: Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D. <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>

Hello Werner;

Thank you for forwarding my request to the Niehaus researchers on the
Oldenburg list.  I will expand my research into that region.

I must have miscommunicated some of my information.  Census and
gazetter data in the United States indicate that Carl (Charles) H.F.
Niehaus and his wife Emma were Lutherans.

Again, thank you for your help.

Gary






Hello Gary,
you said your ancestor in Diepholz are catholics. In this case I think this
family came from the Oldenburger-Münsterland. Damme, Steinfeld and Lohne
have some Niehaus too.
There are two Niehaus researcher on the Oldenburg list, maybe they have more
information. I send a copy to this addresses.
Good luck.
Werner

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D." <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] requested translations


 Good Afternoon Listers;

 Genealogists are such giving people!  You were fantastic in your
 response to my request to translate the postcard and recipe.  Twenty
 of you contributed to that translation effort.   As a result of your
 help, we now know that in 1910 my great grandfather had a brother,
 niece and two nephews living in Diepholz.  We also know that several
 individuals with the appropriate family names currently live in
 Diepholz.  There are a number of other interesting clues as well.

 Thank you for your kindness.

 Gary






 >Good Morning Listers;
 >
 >My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in
 >1872.  We have no detailed information  about the family that he
 >left in Europe.  Recently, we discovered two German language
 >documents that may relate to him.  Unfortunately, none of us speak
 >German.  I am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing
 >to translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short
 >note).  I have posted the documents on the following website.
 >
 >http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/
 >
 >Thank you for your assistance.
 >
 >Gary
 >--
 >Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
 >Associate Professor of Physiology
 >Northeastern Ohio Universities
 >   College of Medicine
 >Box 95
 >Rootstown, Ohio 44272
 >330 325 6420 (office)
 >330 325 5912 (FAX)
 >gdn(a)neoucom.edu


 --
 Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
 Associate Professor of Physiology
 Northeastern Ohio Universities
    College of Medicine
 Box 95
 Rootstown, Ohio 44272
 330 325 6420 (office)
 330 325 5912 (FAX)
 gdn(a)neoucom.edu

 _______________________________________________
 Hannover-L mailing list
 > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
 > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
 >


--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu


Re: [HN] Pötker, Niehaus, Möller - Indiana/ an alle,besonders to Gary Niehaus and Werner Honkamp

Date: 2002/12/04 15:32:41
From: Paul and Ann Kasameyer <kasameyer(a)attbi.com>

Erika, 

Regarding Pötker: I searched the 1880 United States census index 

(www.familysearch.org)

for families in Indiana. The index lists only one family named Poetker,
and two named Potker. All are in the Pike County, Indiana, which is
adjacent to Dubois county where Holland is located. ( There is a map of
Indiana counties at
 
http://www.ingenweb.org/ingen_county2.htm). 

Here are the listing for the heads of those families:

 Name,Relation, Marital Status,
Gender,Race,Age,Birthplace,Occupation,Father's Birthplace,Mother's
Birthplace
   Henry POTKER,Self,M, Male, W,29,HANOVER,Farmer,HANOVER,HANOVER -
Lockhart, Pike, Indiana 
   Wm. F. POTKER, Self,M,Male,W,65 ,PRUS ,Labor,PRUS,PRUS -   Stendal,
Pike, Indiana 
 Fredrick H. POETKER,Self,M,Male,W ,35 ,PRUS ,Dry Good Merchant,PRUS
,PRUS - Stendal, Pike, Indiana

Frederick is about the right age for the young boy you describe. 

The index also shows two families named Luebbert, both in Cass, Dubois
County, Indiana, which is a few kilometers from Holland. 

 Catherine LUEBBERT ,Wife(of Henry Klausmeyer),M,Female,W,35,HAN,Keeps
House,HAN,HANOVER
 LUEBBERT (No first name listed), Self,M , W , 51 ,HAN , Farmer, HAN ,
HANOVER (wife's name is Anna).

I apologize for not responding in German as well. 



Erika Giftge wrote:
> 
> Hi Gary,
> 
> in a book I found the following paragraph:
> 
> In einem Buch fand ich einen Auszug aus dem Jahre 1860:
> 
> "Der auswanderungslustige Pötker( damals 16Jahre alt), dessen Vater ein ganz
> unbemittelter Neubauer, wird auf Einladung der in Holland, im Staate Indiana
> , wohnenden verheirateten Kinder des Colon Lübbert zu Hüsede , eines
> Nachbarn von Pötker, nach dem Ort Holland als künftiger Dienstbote in der
> Lübbert-Niehausschen Farm auswandern, wenn ihm der Konsens zuteil wird, und
> hat jetzt an dem 36 jährigen Möller aus Nellinghof, Amt Damme , dessen
> Schwager Möllenkamp, ein  Nachbar der Lübbertschen Kinder in Holland sein
> soll, und zu dem Möller sich zu begeben beabsichtigt - einen guten
> Reiseschutz."
> 
> The rough translation would be:
> That a young boy (16) named Poetker asked to be allowed to leave Germany to
> go to Holland , Indiana to work on a farm owned by Luebbert- Niehaus
> (perhaps the names of the husband and wife of the farm?) and that he would
> be accompanied by a man called Moeller, who also wanted to go to that area
> because relatives by the name of Moellenkamp lived next to that farm.
> 
> Has anyone heard those names before or is there a researcher of that part of
> Indiana?
> I myself could offer some details about that Poetker boy.
> 
> Meine Frage:
> Hat jemand Näheres zu deser Lübber- Niehausschen Farm?
> Weiss jemand etwas über Möller, Nellinghaus?
> Forscht sonst jemand in dieser Gegend Indianas?
> 
> Ich selbst habe einiges über Pötker, falls Interesse besteht .
> 
> Hallo Werner Honkamp,
> Du erwähnst 2 Niehaus Forscher in der Oldenburger Liste.
> Könntest du evtl meine Mail auch an sie weiterleiten?
> 
> Erika
> 


-- 
Ann and Paul Kasameyer
Livermore, CA


Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/04 21:21:52
From: Nannette Morgan <bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

Sorry Im Not CAROL




See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
** Nannette **
;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>
>From: "Gary E. Myer"
>Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Subject: Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER
>Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:35:55 -0500
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Received: from cpimssmtpa41.msn.com ([207.46.181.12]) by mc1-f40.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:43:25 -0800
>Received: from galaxy.genealogy.net ([134.102.123.67]) by cpimssmtpa41.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:43:15 -0800
>Received: from galaxy.genealogy.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])by galaxy.genealogy.net (Postfix) with ESMTPid BF482C3EC6; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:43:00 +0100 (CET)
>Received: from mail.bcpl.net (mail.bcpl.net [204.255.212.10])by galaxy.genealogy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0912EC3BEFfor ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:42:40 +0100 (CET)
>Received: from bcpl.net (ppp769.bcpl.net [208.242.127.111])by mail.bcpl.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id gB45XdX10899for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:33:40 -0500 (EST)
>X-MSN-Trace: {FE764BA4-2C50-4CFE-842C-04AF850587A4}
>Delivered-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Message-ID: <3DED943B.2060108(a)bcpl.net>
>Organization: BCPL Online
>User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win95; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2
>X-Accept-Language: en-us
>References: <002701c29a93$4b3acd10$6600a8c0(a)Steve>
>X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0tests=MAILTO_LINK,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANGversion=2.42
>X-Spam-Level:
>X-Comment: HTML cut off
>Sender: hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
>Errors-To: hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
>X-BeenThere: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5
>Precedence: bulk
>List-Help:
>List-Post:
>List-Subscribe: ,
>List-Id: Former Kingdom of Hannover / Koenigreich Hannover [bi-linguale,offene Liste]
>List-Unsubscribe: ,
>List-Archive:
>Return-Path: hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2002 07:43:15.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDF7AC20:01C29B68]
>
>Hi Carol,
>I have been doing some digging in old handbooks on my shelves and
>can't remember where I saw the references to regional biographical
>works on pastors. Here are some general titles, probably only
>available in large German libraries:
>Behrend, Oscar. Verzeichnis der Evangelischen Geistlichlichkeit des
>Deutschen Reiches nach amtlichen Quellen (Berlin, 1877)
>Hottinger, Christlieb Gotthold. Die Evangelischen Geistlichen des
>Deutschen Reiches (Berlin-Strassburg, 1880)
>
>Also found this at:
>http://walter.meischner.bei.t-online.de/pfalzdor/geschich/geschich.htm
>"Im Mai 1741 verließen die Vorfahren der Pfalzdorfer mit drei
>Schiffen ihre Hunrücker Heimat, um den kriegerischen Verwüstungen
>und der religiösen Unterdrückung zu entgehen. Ihr Ziel war Amerika.
>Dort hofften sie, in Ruhe leben zu können und in Freiheit ihre
>Religion ausüben zu dürfen. Ihre Pläne wurden aber schon in
>Schenkenschanz durch die Holländer zerstört. Man verweigerte ihnen
>die Durchreise nach Rotterdam, von wo aus die Pfälzer nach Amerika
>segeln wollten. Nach längeren Verhandlungen mit der Klever Kammer
>und dem Magistrat der Stadt Goch überließ man den Pfälzern im Herbst
>1741 die etwa 10.000 Morgen große Gocher Heide zur Urbarmachung und
>Besiedlung. Nach erheblichen Anfangsschwierigkeiten, die mit
>wiederholten Landesverweisungen bedroht waren, wurden die Kolonisten
>Adam Beeker und Michel Grossert mit einer Bittschrift beim König von
>Preußen vorstellig. Am 30.April 1743 erließ Friedrich II. einen
>Spezialbefehl an die Klever Regierung und die Stadt Goch, in dem er
>den Pfälzern die Ansiedlung auf der Gocher Heide genehmigte.
>Gleichzeitig erhielten beide Stellen die Anweisung, den Kolonisten
>behilflich zu sein. Damit war das Siedlungswerk endgültig gesichert.
>Nach Überwindung der ersten Elendsjahre folgte in den nächsten drei
>Jahrzehnten ein derartiger Emigrantenstrom, dass die
>Kolonistenstellen auf der Heide bald vergeben waren. Um 1770 lebten
>über 100 Pfälzerfamilien mit 568 Personen auf der Gocher Heide, die
>man seit 1749 Pfalzdorf nannte. Aus Landmangel setzte für die
>nachwachsenden Generationen die erste Auswanderungswelle ein. Sie
>erfolgte nach Bönnighardt, Königshardt, Asperheide und Ostfriesland.
>Bei Aurich entstanden die Orte Plaggenburg, Neu-Pfalzdorf und
>Dietrichsfeld.
>
>I'm only translating the last part. It deals with Palatine Germans
>leaving the Hunsrück region planning to sail to America in 1741.
>However, the Dutch would not let them pass through on the Rhein to
>Rotterdam. So Friedrich II granted them land on the heath between
>Goch and Kleve to settle. "By 1770, over 100 Palatine families
>totaling 568 persons were living on the heath which had been dubbed
>"Pfalzdorf" in 1749. Due to lack of land, the next generations
>emigrated from this location to other areas. The first wave went to
>Bönnighardt, Königshardt, Asperheide and Ostfriesland (East
>Friesia). Near Aurich the settlements of Plaggenburg, Neu-Pfalzdorf
>and Dietrichsfeld grew up."
>
>I'm guessing this "Dietrichsfeld" is your Diederichfeld.
>Interesting that it was a relatively new colony of Palatine
>descendants. Perhaps your Walter family traces back to the Palatine
>region.
>
>Will keep looking as time allows.
>--Gary
>
>
>--
>Gary E. Myer
>37 Colonial Drive
>Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
>(voice) 410-636-1113 (email) bruggeym(a)bcpl.net
>I Cor 13:4 (from "The Message", Eugene H. Peterson's transl. of NT)
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Hannover-L mailing list
>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.

Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/04 22:57:45
From: The Prough's <dprough(a)mail.win.org>

Found something of interest in the Sunday St. Louis MO paper, don't know if Niehaus and Nienhaus are the same family or not. I seem to remember someone mentioning this area in this thread of the Niehaus family.

"Three generations of the Nienhaus family pose at Engine House No.2 in downtown St. Louis. Kenneth, 71, retired after 22 years of service. His son, Steven M., 46(left) is a captain at Engine House No. 34. His grandson, Steven J., 28 (right) joined the department in 1997. Kenneth Nienhaus also has three other sons, a son-in-law and a nephew who have become firefighters."

This was the caption under a photo of the three and an article about family traditions of working in fire and law in St. Louis. If any one would like a copy of this photo and article I would scan and send it.

Yvonne


Hello Werner;

Thank you for forwarding my request to the Niehaus researchers on the Oldenburg list. I will expand my research into that region.


Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/05 00:00:27
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

The NIEHAUS name in my family is plattdeutsch or low (northern ) German,
meaning <New House>.  The name was spelled the same, back at least to 1720
in Neuenkirchen, Amt Damme, Oldenburg.
I have seen NIENHAUS in my research in the German States, but never in the
Niehaus clan.

Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "The Prough's" <dprough(a)mail.win.org>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] requested translations


> Found something of interest in the Sunday St. Louis MO paper,  don't know
> if Niehaus and Nienhaus are the same family or not. I seem to remember
> someone mentioning this area in this thread of the Niehaus family.
>
> "Three  generations of the Nienhaus family pose at Engine House No.2 in
> downtown St. Louis.  Kenneth, 71, retired after 22 years of service.  His
> son, Steven M., 46(left) is a captain at Engine House No. 34.  His
> grandson, Steven J., 28 (right) joined the department in 1997.  Kenneth
> Nienhaus also has three other sons, a son-in-law and a nephew who have
> become firefighters."
>
> This was the caption under a photo of the three and an article about
family
> traditions of working in fire and law in St. Louis. If any one would like
a
> copy of this photo and article I would scan and send it.
>
> Yvonne
>
>
> >Hello Werner;
> >
> >Thank you for forwarding my request to the Niehaus researchers on the
> >Oldenburg list.  I will expand my research into that region.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/05 00:20:35
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Hello Listmembers! Hallo Listenmitglieder!

Nannette Morgan worte/schrieb:
<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV>
<P>Sorry Im Not CAROL <IMG height=12
src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/emsmileo.gif";
width=12><BR><BR></P></DIV>

I apologize for this email in HTML format. I don't know why it passed
the filters but will look into this. There will hopefully no further
email in HTML format that comes from the list.

Bitte entschuldigt diese E-Mail im HTML-Format, die an die Liste
durchgedrungen ist. Ich weiß bislang nicht, wie diese e-Mail an den
Filtern vorbeigelangen konnte, aber es wird hoffentlich die letze
ihrer Art gewesen sein.

Happy researching
Fröhliches weiterforschen

Jürgen
Co-Administrator of/der Hannover-L list/Liste
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38106 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/05 05:33:09
From: Gary E. Myer <bruggeym(a)bcpl.net>

Carol,
I located the parish office (Pfarramt) for Dietrichsfeld and emailed the pastor there. He was kind enough to email me back within 24 hours:

"Lieber Herr Myer,

leider konnte ich für keine dieser Angaben Belege finden. Es ist keine Taufe
zu dem von Ihnen genannten Zeitpunkt in unseren Büchern, die Abschriften der
Auricher Kirchenbücher sind,  eingetragen. Dietrichsfeld ist kein Kirchort,
er gehört hier zur Kirche in Plaggenburg. Pastoren sind für den Bezirk
Dietrichsfeld erst seit 1904 tätig, der Ort ist auch erst nach 1830
entstanden.
Die Namen Walter und Rodewald sind allerdings in unserer Gemeinde vertreten.

Mit freundlichem Gruß"
Translation:
"Unfortunately, I was not able to find any documentation for the data you gave me (I mentioned only the birth/baptism of Henrietta in 1843 and the fact that Henrietta's grandfather was supposed to have been pastor in that area earlier around 1820 or so).  There is no baptism (for Henrietta) for that time period in our books, and the transcriptions from the Aurich churchbooks are included.  Dietrichsfeld is not an independent parish but belongs to the church here in Plaggenburg (where this pastor officiates).  Pastors first became active in Dietrichsfeld in 1904, and the community didn't come into existence until after 1830.
But the names 'Walter' and 'Rodewald' are represented in our parish.
With cordial greetings,"

Will keep you posted if I find out more.

--Gary

--
Gary E. Myer
37 Colonial Drive
Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
(voice) 410-636-1113 (email) bruggeym(a)bcpl.net
I Cor 13:4 (from "The Message", Eugene H. Peterson's transl. of NT)





Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD,MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/05 07:28:35
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Carol,
     Good work from Gary there!  However, it does look to me like the
Mormons have more than one set of records for Aurich, so that if the record
is not in one place, it could be in another.  There must have been more than
one church in Aurich at that time. The map I have shows several churches in
Aurich now. Do you have a map of the area?
Barbara





on 12/4/02 9:35 PM, Gary E. Myer at bruggeym(a)bcpl.net wrote:

> Carol,
> I located the parish office (Pfarramt) for Dietrichsfeld and emailed the
> pastor there.  He was kind enough to email me back within 24 hours:
> 
> "Lieber Herr Myer,
> 
> leider konnte ich für keine dieser Angaben Belege finden. Es ist keine Taufe
> zu dem von Ihnen genannten Zeitpunkt in unseren Büchern, die Abschriften der
> Auricher Kirchenbücher sind,  eingetragen. Dietrichsfeld ist kein Kirchort,
> er gehört hier zur Kirche in Plaggenburg. Pastoren sind für den Bezirk
> Dietrichsfeld erst seit 1904 tätig, der Ort ist auch erst nach 1830
> entstanden.
> Die Namen Walter und Rodewald sind allerdings in unserer Gemeinde vertreten.
> 
> Mit freundlichem Gruß"
> 
> Translation:
> "Unfortunately, I was not able to find any documentation for the data you gave
> me (I mentioned only the birth/baptism of Henrietta in 1843 and the fact that
> Henrietta's grandfather was supposed to have been pastor in that area earlier
> around 1820 or so).  There is no baptism (for Henrietta) for that time period
> in our books, and the transcriptions from the Aurich churchbooks are included.
> Dietrichsfeld is not an independent parish but belongs to the church here in
> Plaggenburg (where this pastor officiates).  Pastors first became active in
> Dietrichsfeld in 1904, and the community didn't come into existence until
> after 1830.
> But the names 'Walter' and 'Rodewald' are represented in our parish.
> With cordial greetings,"
> 
> Will keep you posted if I find out more.
> 
> --Gary



Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/05 10:33:39
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

We have neighbors who spell it Neuhaus.  They own a roofing company.
Maureen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert F. Niehaus" <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] requested translations


> The NIEHAUS name in my family is plattdeutsch or low (northern ) German,
> meaning <New House>.  The name was spelled the same, back at least to 1720
> in Neuenkirchen, Amt Damme, Oldenburg.
> I have seen NIENHAUS in my research in the German States, but never in the
> Niehaus clan.
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Prough's" <dprough(a)mail.win.org>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] requested translations
>
>
> > Found something of interest in the Sunday St. Louis MO paper,  don't
know
> > if Niehaus and Nienhaus are the same family or not. I seem to remember
> > someone mentioning this area in this thread of the Niehaus family.
> >
> > "Three  generations of the Nienhaus family pose at Engine House No.2 in
> > downtown St. Louis.  Kenneth, 71, retired after 22 years of service.
His
> > son, Steven M., 46(left) is a captain at Engine House No. 34.  His
> > grandson, Steven J., 28 (right) joined the department in 1997.  Kenneth
> > Nienhaus also has three other sons, a son-in-law and a nephew who have
> > become firefighters."
> >
> > This was the caption under a photo of the three and an article about
> family
> > traditions of working in fire and law in St. Louis. If any one would
like
> a
> > copy of this photo and article I would scan and send it.
> >
> > Yvonne
> >
> >
> > >Hello Werner;
> > >
> > >Thank you for forwarding my request to the Niehaus researchers on the
> > >Oldenburg list.  I will expand my research into that region.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>


Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/12/05 14:33:59
From: Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D. <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>

Yvonne;

Thank you for the offer to provide a copy of the Nienhaus article from the St. Louis paper. Unfortunately for me, those folks are not relatives. Like Bob's, my Niehaus clan retained the original German spelling of the surname when they arrived in the US.

Thanks

Gary




Found something of interest in the Sunday St. Louis MO paper, don't know if Niehaus and Nienhaus are the same family or not. I seem to remember someone mentioning this area in this thread of the Niehaus family.

"Three generations of the Nienhaus family pose at Engine House No.2 in downtown St. Louis. Kenneth, 71, retired after 22 years of service. His son, Steven M., 46(left) is a captain at Engine House No. 34. His grandson, Steven J., 28 (right) joined the department in 1997. Kenneth Nienhaus also has three other sons, a son-in-law and a nephew who have become firefighters."

This was the caption under a photo of the three and an article about family traditions of working in fire and law in St. Louis. If any one would like a copy of this photo and article I would scan and send it.

Yvonne

Hello Werner;

Thank you for forwarding my request to the Niehaus researchers on the Oldenburg list. I will expand my research into that region.


--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu


Re: [HN] Pötker , Niehaus, Möller - Indiana/ an alle,besonders to Gary Niehaus and Werner Honkamp

Date: 2002/12/05 14:41:53
From: Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D. <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>

Erika,

It appears that the Kasameyer's will provide you with much more
valuable assistance then I will.  I have found 2 Niehaus threads
originating in Indiana.  I sent your information to both and have
received the first response:


'Hi Gary:  Nice to talk with another Niehaus researcher.  My Niehaus
line is from Riesenbeck, Westphalia.  This is about 50 miles south of
your family in Diepholz, Hannover, I think.  I have been told that
the Niehaus name is very strong in that north central area of
Germany.  My great grandfather and grandmother emigrated in 1885
directly to Indianapolis.  The names you listed in your email are not
in my line.  The only one that sounds familiar is Moellenkamp because
of the family of the rock musician, John Moellenkamp.  He is from
southern Indiana and might be in the line that the message refers to
as being in Holland, Indiana.  But, of course, why do we care .
Might be interesting if he was a distant relative!

But back to the Niehaus line - My Josef Niehues married Anna Maria
Beerman in 1847 in Emsdetten, a few miles from Riesenbeck. They had
three sons, Bernard and Josef came to the U. S. , 1880-1886, and
Heinrich stayed in Germany.  Just like you I would like to find more
of my roots in Germany.  Let me know if you have any idea that we may
have any connections.  Good luck in your research.  Nancy'

Gary


Erika,

Regarding Pötker: I searched the 1880 United States census index

(www.familysearch.org)

for families in Indiana. The index lists only one family named Poetker,
and two named Potker. All are in the Pike County, Indiana, which is
adjacent to Dubois county where Holland is located. ( There is a map of
Indiana counties at

http://www.ingenweb.org/ingen_county2.htm).

Here are the listing for the heads of those families:

 Name,Relation, Marital Status,
Gender,Race,Age,Birthplace,Occupation,Father's Birthplace,Mother's
Birthplace
   Henry POTKER,Self,M, Male, W,29,HANOVER,Farmer,HANOVER,HANOVER -
Lockhart, Pike, Indiana
   Wm. F. POTKER, Self,M,Male,W,65 ,PRUS ,Labor,PRUS,PRUS -   Stendal,
Pike, Indiana
 Fredrick H. POETKER,Self,M,Male,W ,35 ,PRUS ,Dry Good Merchant,PRUS
,PRUS - Stendal, Pike, Indiana

Frederick is about the right age for the young boy you describe.

The index also shows two families named Luebbert, both in Cass, Dubois
County, Indiana, which is a few kilometers from Holland.

 Catherine LUEBBERT ,Wife(of Henry Klausmeyer),M,Female,W,35,HAN,Keeps
House,HAN,HANOVER
 LUEBBERT (No first name listed), Self,M , W , 51 ,HAN , Farmer, HAN ,
HANOVER (wife's name is Anna).

I apologize for not responding in German as well.



Erika Giftge wrote:

 Hi Gary,

 in a book I found the following paragraph:

 In einem Buch fand ich einen Auszug aus dem Jahre 1860:

 "Der auswanderungslustige Pötker( damals 16Jahre alt), dessen Vater ein ganz
 unbemittelter Neubauer, wird auf Einladung der in Holland, im Staate Indiana
 , wohnenden verheirateten Kinder des Colon Lübbert zu Hüsede , eines
 Nachbarn von Pötker, nach dem Ort Holland als künftiger Dienstbote in der
 Lübbert-Niehausschen Farm auswandern, wenn ihm der Konsens zuteil wird, und
 hat jetzt an dem 36 jährigen Möller aus Nellinghof, Amt Damme , dessen
 Schwager Möllenkamp, ein  Nachbar der Lübbertschen Kinder in Holland sein
 soll, und zu dem Möller sich zu begeben beabsichtigt - einen guten
 Reiseschutz."

 The rough translation would be:
 That a young boy (16) named Poetker asked to be allowed to leave Germany to
 go to Holland , Indiana to work on a farm owned by Luebbert- Niehaus
 (perhaps the names of the husband and wife of the farm?) and that he would
 be accompanied by a man called Moeller, who also wanted to go to that area
 because relatives by the name of Moellenkamp lived next to that farm.

 Has anyone heard those names before or is there a researcher of that part of
 Indiana?
 > I myself could offer some details about that Poetker boy.

 Meine Frage:
 > Hat jemand Näheres zu deser Lübber- Niehausschen Farm?
 > Weiss jemand etwas über Möller, Nellinghaus?
 > Forscht sonst jemand in dieser Gegend Indianas?
 >
 > Ich selbst habe einiges über Pötker, falls Interesse besteht .

 Hallo Werner Honkamp,
 Du erwähnst 2 Niehaus Forscher in der Oldenburger Liste.
 Könntest du evtl meine Mail auch an sie weiterleiten?

 Erika



--
Ann and Paul Kasameyer
Livermore, CA


--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu


[HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/05 15:15:20
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

I am very new to immigrant research.  The man I am researching is a relatively
recent immigrant compared to others I have researched.  All of my personal ancestors
were in the United States prior to the Revolutionary War in 1776 and I have lots of
help in researching them.  The man I am researching is one of my former husband's
ancestors and I am on my own in researching him.  Except for one man, I have found
no one else involved in research on this family and I know more than he does.

The man I am researching reported his place of birth on the 1860 and 1870 U.S.
censuses as Hanover [sic].  In 1880, two of his sons gave his place of birth as
"Baden."   Would this information be of help in finding his actual birth place and
possibly how he got to the U.S?  The reported date of immigration to the U.S. was
1855.

Margaret McCleskey, Texas




Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/05 17:28:03
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hi Margaret,

Baden is a place in the former Kingdom of Hannover, situated about 20 km south-east of the city of Bremen. To-day it is part of the town of Achim.

Wilfried Petersen, Germany


"Margaret McCleskey" <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net> schrieb:
>The man I am researching reported his place of birth on the 1860 and 1870 U.S.
>censuses as Hanover [sic].  In 1880, two of his sons gave his place of birth as
>"Baden."   Would this information be of help in finding his actual birth place and
>possibly how he got to the U.S?  The reported date of immigration to the U.S. was
>1855.
>
>Margaret McCleskey, Texas



Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/05 18:46:36
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

Thank you.

Wilfried Petersen wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> Baden is a place in the former Kingdom of Hannover, situated about 20 km south-east of the city of Bremen. To-day it is part of the town of Achim.
>
> Wilfried Petersen, Germany
>
> "Margaret McCleskey" <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net> schrieb:
> >The man I am researching reported his place of birth on the 1860 and 1870 U.S.
> >censuses as Hanover [sic].  In 1880, two of his sons gave his place of birth as
> >"Baden."   Would this information be of help in finding his actual birth place and
> >possibly how he got to the U.S?  The reported date of immigration to the U.S. was
> >1855.
> >
> >Margaret McCleskey, Texas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




[HN] Northouse/Northaus

Date: 2002/12/05 20:35:42
From: LindaMac10 <LindaMac10(a)aol.com>

Has anyone encountered the surname Northouse or Northaus?  Records in the USA 
have his birthplace as Germany.  He was married in the USA in the 1870's.


Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/05 20:58:36
From: Maureen Shelly <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

After immigrants were in the US awhile, it apparently became the fashion for them to name the nearest "big city" as their places of origin on censuses and certificates ---- especially among those living in large US cities who didn't want to look like they had been "country folks" or "farm hicks."

In my family, the Hannover became "Bremen" (which I think was actually an independent city-state and was never a part of the Kingdom of Hannover --- is that correct?), and the Prussia became "Koln" after 1880.

But I have no real way to know if either of those ancestors actually lived in those cities.

Does anyone else have some experience of this phenomenon to share with us?

Maureen





From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:44:38 -0600

Thank you.

Wilfried Petersen wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> Baden is a place in the former Kingdom of Hannover, situated about 20 km south-east of the city of Bremen. To-day it is part of the town of Achim.
>
> Wilfried Petersen, Germany
>
> "Margaret McCleskey" <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net> schrieb:
> >The man I am researching reported his place of birth on the 1860 and 1870 U.S. > >censuses as Hanover [sic]. In 1880, two of his sons gave his place of birth as > >"Baden." Would this information be of help in finding his actual birth place and > >possibly how he got to the U.S? The reported date of immigration to the U.S. was
> >1855.
> >
> >Margaret McCleskey, Texas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


_________________________________________________________________
STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail



Re: [HN] Northouse/Northaus

Date: 2002/12/05 21:44:53
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello,
     If you haven't already done so, be sure to check the  LDS site
(www.familysearch.org) for names with both spellings.  There are a number of
them there.
Barbara




on 12/5/02 12:35 PM, LindaMac10(a)aol.com at LindaMac10(a)aol.com wrote:

> Has anyone encountered the surname Northouse or Northaus?  Records in the USA
> have his birthplace as Germany.  He was married in the USA in the 1870's.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/06 13:18:58
From: hrs <hrs(a)hist.de>

Dear Margaret,

If your emigrant ancestor was in fact from Baden near Achim we 
shoould find him in the 1852 census over here. After we are just 
about to prepare the census of the Baden area for printing (see the 
bottom of this mail and our homepage), I would be able to check 
the name for Baden and the sourrounding villages at our census 
database.

After I have this area right "on my desk" this would be for free for 
you and should enable you to verify if this Baden was meant in fact.

Best greetings from Bremen, Germany,

Jens


Jens Mueller-Koppe
Historical Research Services (HRS)
www.hist.de

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NEW:
Please visit our new website and
learn about the Hanover Census Project
Hanover Census 1852->www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).htm
Hanover Location List->www.hist.de/Hanover-Location-List.htm
Hanover Surname Index->www.hist.de/Hanover-Surname-Index.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Schanzendorfer Str. 9, D - 28307 Bremen, Germany
Fax: +49 421 4842527
Tel: +49 421 4842530


[HN] Germans to America

Date: 2002/12/06 14:25:42
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>


Dear List,

Would anyone be willing to lookup the name Gebhardt/Gebhard name on Germans to America?

Specifically I am looking for my 2GGM Mary/Marie/Louise/Louisa Gebhardt. The 1910 U.S. census states her age as 60 and immigration was 1856. I am guessing she was about 6 years old in 1856. (Give or take a couple years)

Thank you very much.
Barbara


_________________________________________________________________
Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail



Re: [HN] Germans to America

Date: 2002/12/06 15:01:47
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

"Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
> 
> 
> Dear List,
> 
> Would anyone be willing to lookup the name Gebhardt/Gebhard name on Germans 
> to America?
> 
> Specifically I am looking for my 2GGM Mary/Marie/Louise/Louisa Gebhardt. The 
> 1910 U.S. census states her age as 60 and immigration was 1856.  I am 
> guessing she was about 6 years old in 1856. (Give or take a couple years)
> 
> Thank you very much.
> Barbara
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*  
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
Hello Barbara. 

Germans to America X, p. 202

ship: THERESE, out of Bremen, arr. New York 25 Aug. 1856

Gebhardt, August, 33 M farmer Germany, Canada
          Louise  23 F unknown 
          Louise   2 F child
          August 3 months, infant 

But something is odd about this vessel, 
it does not figure in the lists of ships departing from Bremen in 1856 that were printed in the Deutsche Auswandererzeitung, a German newspaper for emigrants, printed in Rudolstadt in Thuringia

normally it lists the departure date, the flag (country of owner),
ship s name, name of captain, number of passengers, arrival day, days on tour

Mit freundlichen Grüßen 

Falk Liebezeit
Friedrichstr. 25 
49356 Diepholz

 05441-7336


Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/06 17:06:21
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

If you can help me, I would be ever so grateful.  The information that I
have is sketchy.  Almost all of it came from census records in the U.S.

Henry (might be Heinrich) Hattendorf, born abt 1822.  The date of birth
is based on his reported age on the 1860 census.
Wife:  Leonora (or Elinore) maiden name unknown, possibly Hattendorf,
born 28 February 1819.  Date of birth is from a grave marker.
Son, Conrad, born September 1849
There were three more children, but they were born in the U.S.

Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA

hrs(a)hist.de wrote:

> Dear Margaret,
>
> If your emigrant ancestor was in fact from Baden near Achim we
> shoould find him in the 1852 census over here. After we are just
> about to prepare the census of the Baden area for printing (see the
> bottom of this mail and our homepage), I would be able to check
> the name for Baden and the sourrounding villages at our census
> database.
>
> After I have this area right "on my desk" this would be for free for
> you and should enable you to verify if this Baden was meant in fact.
>
> Best greetings from Bremen, Germany,
>
> Jens
>
> Jens Mueller-Koppe
> Historical Research Services (HRS)
> www.hist.de
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> NEW:
> Please visit our new website and
> learn about the Hanover Census Project
> Hanover Census 1852->www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).htm
> Hanover Location List->www.hist.de/Hanover-Location-List.htm
> Hanover Surname Index->www.hist.de/Hanover-Surname-Index.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Schanzendorfer Str. 9, D - 28307 Bremen, Germany
> Fax: +49 421 4842527
> Tel: +49 421 4842530
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/06 18:40:34
From: hrs <hrs(a)hist.de>

Hi Margaret,

I just checked the census and have to send out nehative results.
Heinrich Hattendorf and his wife Leonora are neither listed in the
1852 census of Baden nor in any nearby town or village.

I found no Hattendorf at all, only a widower and inn keeper
Christoph Andeas Hattorf (57 y.) in Achim No. 100 with his
daughter Betti (30 y.) and Johann (25 y.). I would not exclude that
Hattendorf and Hattorf are spelling variations of one and the same
name, but have to state that there is no indication at all that this
family is connected to yours.

Exept the Baden near Achim there is no Baden in Northern
Germany, only the former principality of Baden in Southwest
Germany and the town of Baden-Baden in the federal state of
Baden-Württemberg.

I would say that a North German orgin of the family is probable
after you have Hannover as the region (Kingdom) of orgin and after
the familyname should orginally be derived from the village
Hattendorf (about 40 kilometers southwest of Hanover, belonging to
the community of Auetal today) or the village Hattendorf five
kilometers northeast of Alsfeld, Hessia.

I know that all this does not help too much and that Baden is the
only point to start to find Heinrich Hattendorf. It would of course be
possible that he was indeed born in Baden in or about 1822 and left
the area later on. but this seems to be inprobable and I would not
bee too optimistic based on the negative result for the whole Amt
(district) Achim in 1852.

Best greetings from Bremen, Germany,

Jens


Jens Mueller-Koppe
Historical Research Services (HRS)
www.hist.de

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NEW:
Please visit our new website and
learn about the Hanover Census Project
Hanover Census 1852->www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).htm
Hanover Location List->www.hist.de/Hanover-Location-List.htm
Hanover Surname Index->www.hist.de/Hanover-Surname-Index.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Schanzendorfer Str. 9, D - 28307 Bremen, Germany
Fax: +49 421 4842527
Tel: +49 421 4842530


Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/06 19:00:55
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

Thank you so very much for checking.  I think that I am going to stop on
this family.  If someone else wants to take up where I left off, maybe
they will find something.

Margaret

hrs(a)hist.de wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> I just checked the census and have to send out nehative results.
> Heinrich Hattendorf and his wife Leonora are neither listed in the
> 1852 census of Baden nor in any nearby town or village.
>
> I found no Hattendorf at all, only a widower and inn keeper
> Christoph Andeas Hattorf (57 y.) in Achim No. 100 with his
> daughter Betti (30 y.) and Johann (25 y.). I would not exclude that
> Hattendorf and Hattorf are spelling variations of one and the same
> name, but have to state that there is no indication at all that this
> family is connected to yours.
>
> Exept the Baden near Achim there is no Baden in Northern
> Germany, only the former principality of Baden in Southwest
> Germany and the town of Baden-Baden in the federal state of
> Baden-Württemberg.
>
> I would say that a North German orgin of the family is probable
> after you have Hannover as the region (Kingdom) of orgin and after
> the familyname should orginally be derived from the village
> Hattendorf (about 40 kilometers southwest of Hanover, belonging to
> the community of Auetal today) or the village Hattendorf five
> kilometers northeast of Alsfeld, Hessia.
>
> I know that all this does not help too much and that Baden is the
> only point to start to find Heinrich Hattendorf. It would of course be
> possible that he was indeed born in Baden in or about 1822 and left
> the area later on. but this seems to be inprobable and I would not
> bee too optimistic based on the negative result for the whole Amt
> (district) Achim in 1852.
>
> Best greetings from Bremen, Germany,
>
> Jens
>
> Jens Mueller-Koppe
> Historical Research Services (HRS)
> www.hist.de
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> NEW:
> Please visit our new website and
> learn about the Hanover Census Project
> Hanover Census 1852->www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).htm
> Hanover Location List->www.hist.de/Hanover-Location-List.htm
> Hanover Surname Index->www.hist.de/Hanover-Surname-Index.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Schanzendorfer Str. 9, D - 28307 Bremen, Germany
> Fax: +49 421 4842527
> Tel: +49 421 4842530
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




Re: [HN] Germans to America

Date: 2002/12/06 19:02:01
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>





Dear Falk,

Thankyou for the info. Today I found a Mary Gebhardt on the 1870 Mo. Census which listed her age as 19. I think this might be my Mary. The fathers name is listed as John and Mother also Mary, with siblings, William, Lizzie, Louise, Emelia and Adam. It also says she was born in Missouri which could be mistake. Says father is from Hesse Darmstedt and mother Prussian.

My Mary Gebhardt married a MeyerPeter with name later changed to Meyer/Meyers. On the 1880 census I find a William Gebhardt with an Elizabeth MeyerPeter as mother-in-law. (In same city). I had also noted a Louisa Gephardt/spelling living with an August Meiers as a domestic in 1880. My Mary's husband later was known as August Meyers. So I thought perhaps she may have had 2 names, but if I found the correct census she had a sister names Louisa. As you can see I am speculating. :)

As far as speculating, :) I also have a circa 1900 photo taken in St. Louis of a Lizzie Brennan. Perhaps it is Lizzie Gebhardt-Brennan.

Just could be that Mary and and her brother married siblings. I don't think that is uncommon in the 19th century.

May I ask you to look if there is a John Gebhardt? in 1856 he would be about age 30. His wife would be Mary also age abt. 26. Sinse I believe my Mary was a small child when she immigrated the year 1856 may be incorrect, but probobly close.

This newly found info makes me think my Mary's fathers name might have been John/Johan Gebhardt. Sinse they did ultimately live in Missouri, I don't think they would have came through Canada. More likely New Orleans, though I can't be sure.

Warmest Regards,
Barbara



From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de (Falk Liebezeit)
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Germans to America
Date: 06 Dec 2002 14:02 GMT



"Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
>
>
> Dear List,
>
> Would anyone be willing to lookup the name Gebhardt/Gebhard name on Germans
> to America?
>
> Specifically I am looking for my 2GGM Mary/Marie/Louise/Louisa Gebhardt. The
> 1910 U.S. census states her age as 60 and immigration was 1856.  I am
> guessing she was about 6 years old in 1856. (Give or take a couple years)
>
> Thank you very much.
> Barbara
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
Hello Barbara.

Germans to America X, p. 202

ship: THERESE, out of Bremen, arr. New York 25 Aug. 1856

Gebhardt, August, 33 M farmer Germany, Canada
          Louise  23 F unknown
          Louise   2 F child
          August 3 months, infant

But something is odd about this vessel,
it does not figure in the lists of ships departing from Bremen in 1856 that were printed in the Deutsche Auswandererzeitung, a German newspaper for emigrants, printed in Rudolstadt in Thuringia

normally it lists the departure date, the flag (country of owner),
ship s name, name of captain, number of passengers, arrival day, days on tour

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Falk Liebezeit
Friedrichstr. 25
49356 Diepholz

 05441-7336

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


_________________________________________________________________
Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail



Re: [HN] Germans to America

Date: 2002/12/07 11:09:39
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hi Barbara,
     Have you tried looking at the Passenger lists on www.istg.rootweb.com?
There are many Gebhardts and Gebhards listed there.
Barbara Stewart










on 12/6/02 11:02 AM, Cactus Flower at barbie8674(a)hotmail.com wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Falk,
> 
> Thankyou for the info. Today I found a Mary Gebhardt on the 1870 Mo. Census
> which listed her age as 19. I think this might be my Mary. The fathers name
> is listed as John and Mother also Mary, with siblings, William, Lizzie,
> Louise, Emelia and Adam.  It also says she was born in Missouri which could
> be mistake.  Says father is from Hesse Darmstedt and mother Prussian.
> 
> My Mary Gebhardt married a MeyerPeter with name later changed to
> Meyer/Meyers.  On the 1880 census I find a William Gebhardt with an
> Elizabeth MeyerPeter as mother-in-law.  (In same city). I had also noted a
> Louisa Gephardt/spelling living with an August Meiers as a domestic in 1880.
> My Mary's husband later was known as August Meyers. So I thought perhaps
> she may have had 2 names, but if I found the correct census she had a sister
> names Louisa. As you can see I am speculating. :)
> 
> As far as speculating, :) I also have a circa 1900 photo taken in St. Louis
> of a Lizzie Brennan.  Perhaps it is Lizzie Gebhardt-Brennan.
> 
> Just could be that Mary and and her brother married siblings.  I don't think
> that is uncommon in the 19th century.
> 
> May I ask you to look if there is a John Gebhardt? in 1856 he would be about
> age 30. His wife would be Mary also age abt. 26. Sinse I believe my Mary was
> a small child when she immigrated the year 1856 may be incorrect, but
> probobly close.
> 
> This newly found info makes me think my Mary's fathers name might have been
> John/Johan Gebhardt. Sinse they did ultimately live in Missouri, I don't
> think they would have came through Canada.  More likely New Orleans, though
> I can't be sure.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
>> From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de (Falk Liebezeit)
>> Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Subject: Re: [HN] Germans to America
>> Date: 06 Dec 2002 14:02 GMT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear List,
>>> 
>>> Would anyone be willing to lookup the name Gebhardt/Gebhard name on
>> Germans
>>> to America?
>>> 
>>> Specifically I am looking for my 2GGM Mary/Marie/Louise/Louisa Gebhardt.
>> The
>>> 1910 U.S. census states her age as 60 and immigration was 1856.  I am
>>> guessing she was about 6 years old in 1856. (Give or take a couple
>> years)
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much.
>>> Barbara
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
>>> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Hannover-L mailing list
>>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>>> 
>> Hello Barbara.
>> 
>> Germans to America X, p. 202
>> 
>> ship: THERESE, out of Bremen, arr. New York 25 Aug. 1856
>> 
>> Gebhardt, August, 33 M farmer Germany, Canada
>> Louise  23 F unknown
>> Louise   2 F child
>> August 3 months, infant
>> 
>> But something is odd about this vessel,
>> it does not figure in the lists of ships departing from Bremen in 1856 that
>> were printed in the Deutsche Auswandererzeitung, a German newspaper for
>> emigrants, printed in Rudolstadt in Thuringia
>> 
>> normally it lists the departure date, the flag (country of owner),
>> ship s name, name of captain, number of passengers, arrival day, days on
>> tour
>> 
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>> 
>> Falk Liebezeit
>> Friedrichstr. 25
>> 49356 Diepholz
>> 
>> 05441-7336
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Germans to America

Date: 2002/12/07 11:15:38
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

"Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Falk,
> 
> Thankyou for the info. Today I found a Mary Gebhardt on the 1870 Mo. Census 
> which listed her age as 19. I think this might be my Mary. The fathers name 
> is listed as John and Mother also Mary, with siblings, William, Lizzie, 
> Louise, Emelia and Adam.  It also says she was born in Missouri which could 
> be mistake.  Says father is from Hesse Darmstedt and mother Prussian.
> 
> My Mary Gebhardt married a MeyerPeter with name later changed to 
> Meyer/Meyers.  On the 1880 census I find a William Gebhardt with an 
> Elizabeth MeyerPeter as mother-in-law.  (In same city). I had also noted a 
> Louisa Gephardt/spelling living with an August Meiers as a domestic in 1880. 
>   My Mary's husband later was known as August Meyers. So I thought perhaps 
> she may have had 2 names, but if I found the correct census she had a sister 
> names Louisa. As you can see I am speculating. :)
> 
> As far as speculating, :) I also have a circa 1900 photo taken in St. Louis 
> of a Lizzie Brennan.  Perhaps it is Lizzie Gebhardt-Brennan.
> 
> Just could be that Mary and and her brother married siblings.  I don't think 
> that is uncommon in the 19th century.
> 
> May I ask you to look if there is a John Gebhardt? in 1856 he would be about 
> age 30. His wife would be Mary also age abt. 26. Sinse I believe my Mary was 
> a small child when she immigrated the year 1856 may be incorrect, but 
> probobly close.
> 
> This newly found info makes me think my Mary's fathers name might have been 
> John/Johan Gebhardt. Sinse they did ultimately live in Missouri, I don't 
> think they would have came through Canada.  More likely New Orleans, though 
> I can't be sure.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> Barbara
> 
> 
> 
> >From: FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de (Falk Liebezeit)
> >Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> >To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >Subject: Re: [HN] Germans to America
> >Date: 06 Dec 2002 14:02 GMT
> >
> >
> >
> >"Cactus Flower" <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> schrieb:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear List,
> > >
> > > Would anyone be willing to lookup the name Gebhardt/Gebhard name on 
> >Germans
> > > to America?
> > >
> > > Specifically I am looking for my 2GGM Mary/Marie/Louise/Louisa Gebhardt. 
> >The
> > > 1910 U.S. census states her age as 60 and immigration was 1856.  I am
> > > guessing she was about 6 years old in 1856. (Give or take a couple 
> >years)
> > >
> > > Thank you very much.
> > > Barbara
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
> > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Hannover-L mailing list
> > > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> > >
> >Hello Barbara.
> >
> >Germans to America X, p. 202
> >
> >ship: THERESE, out of Bremen, arr. New York 25 Aug. 1856
> >
> >Gebhardt, August, 33 M farmer Germany, Canada
> >           Louise  23 F unknown
> >           Louise   2 F child
> >           August 3 months, infant
> >
> >But something is odd about this vessel,
> >it does not figure in the lists of ships departing from Bremen in 1856 that 
> >were printed in the Deutsche Auswandererzeitung, a German newspaper for 
> >emigrants, printed in Rudolstadt in Thuringia
> >
> >normally it lists the departure date, the flag (country of owner),
> >ship s name, name of captain, number of passengers, arrival day, days on 
> >tour
> >
> >Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> >
> >Falk Liebezeit
> >Friedrichstr. 25
> >49356 Diepholz
> >
> >  05441-7336
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Hannover-L mailing list
> >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*  
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 

Dear Barbara, 

No Johann or John Gebhard, Gebhardt (no Gephard at all) in 1856
Germans to America

just a Jean B. Gebhardt, 28 M, farmer, Bavaria, USA
aboard the vessel Zurich out of Le Havre, France, arr. New York
02 June 1856 (vol X, p. 74) 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen 

Falk Liebezeit
Friedrichstr. 25 
49356 Diepholz

 05441-7336


Re: [HN] families: WALTER, RODEWALD, RENKEN, MANSEN, VINYARD, MILLER/MULLER

Date: 2002/12/07 11:17:54
From: CarolSue Robinson <cswr(a)earthlink.net>

Gale, you have not only been helpful, but thoughtful as well.
This book (from Amazon, I hope) is on my Christmas list from Santa. :)

Thanks for you great suggestion.
Carol

THEBOSCHBOSCHE(a)aol.com wrote:

Hi Carol Sue

My comment is in reference to the spelling of WALTER on Henrietta's certificate.

The spelling may be WALTER to you, but it may have been something else to the person who wrote it, after all it was written many years ago.

I spent some considerable time looking for my great grandmother's nonexistent family, because I was looking for the family name I saw, not the one that was written. There are many letters in old German script which many of us interpret to be another letter because it looks similar to one we use today. In my case I saw a capital "H", which later turned to be a capital "N". When I started looking for the name starting with the N, I found the family with little effort.

There is a spiral leaf book (booklet) ISBN 0-9615420-0-4 by Edna M. Bentz, which may help you (and others). It is titled: "If I can You can Decipher Germanic Records." As I said it "May" help you. She has over 20 variations for each letter for each the high and low cases. She also has a separate section for the areas influenced by Danish and another section influenced by Latin. The Latin influence was of course in Catholic churches. Now, I can add another problem. Many early records in the U S were written in English, but using old German script, as a result the writing did not appear to be German or English.

On the other hand, it may really be WALTER, after all, anyone can spell their name anyway they want to. In reading this e-mail over for errors, it appears that I have been less than helpful. In other words disregard this, scan the document and sent a copy to a professional.

Gale Bosche
Sunny CA

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l






Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/07 11:21:32
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

Since you at THINKING about QUITTING on this Hattendorf Line,
when you have the time, you may wish to check the archives for the
IL-COOK-SCHAUMBURG-L(a)rootsweb.com list..
As I have mentioned before, we have HATTENDORF in this township since apx
1848's...
They, I believe, were from Schaumburg Lippe area.
This may or may not help you.but it is a different lead..
Also, check this site..
http://www.karensgen.com/
On it you will find many entries. not just for Karen's direct family
members, but many surnames from the area..
It is WORTH the effort to check.
that is, before you TOTALLY QUIT!

valentine

----- Original Message -----
From: "Margaret McCleskey" <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden


> Thank you so very much for checking.  I think that I am going to stop on
> this family.  If someone else wants to take up where I left off, maybe
> they will find something.
>
> Margaret
>
> hrs(a)hist.de wrote:
>
> > Hi Margaret,
> >
> > I just checked the census and have to send out nehative results.
> > Heinrich Hattendorf and his wife Leonora are neither listed in the
> > 1852 census of Baden nor in any nearby town or village.
> >
> > I found no Hattendorf at all, only a widower and inn keeper
> > Christoph Andeas Hattorf (57 y.) in Achim No. 100 with his
> > daughter Betti (30 y.) and Johann (25 y.). I would not exclude that
> > Hattendorf and Hattorf are spelling variations of one and the same
> > name, but have to state that there is no indication at all that this
> > family is connected to yours.
> >
> > Exept the Baden near Achim there is no Baden in Northern
> > Germany, only the former principality of Baden in Southwest
> > Germany and the town of Baden-Baden in the federal state of
> > Baden-Württemberg.
> >
> > I would say that a North German orgin of the family is probable
> > after you have Hannover as the region (Kingdom) of orgin and after
> > the familyname should orginally be derived from the village
> > Hattendorf (about 40 kilometers southwest of Hanover, belonging to
> > the community of Auetal today) or the village Hattendorf five
> > kilometers northeast of Alsfeld, Hessia.
> >
> > I know that all this does not help too much and that Baden is the
> > only point to start to find Heinrich Hattendorf. It would of course be
> > possible that he was indeed born in Baden in or about 1822 and left
> > the area later on. but this seems to be inprobable and I would not
> > bee too optimistic based on the negative result for the whole Amt
> > (district) Achim in 1852.
> >
> > Best greetings from Bremen, Germany,
> >
> > Jens
> >
> > Jens Mueller-Koppe
> > Historical Research Services (HRS)
> > www.hist.de
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > NEW:
> > Please visit our new website and
> > learn about the Hanover Census Project
> > Hanover Census 1852->www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).htm
> > Hanover Location List->www.hist.de/Hanover-Location-List.htm
> > Hanover Surname Index->www.hist.de/Hanover-Surname-Index.htm
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Schanzendorfer Str. 9, D - 28307 Bremen, Germany
> > Fax: +49 421 4842527
> > Tel: +49 421 4842530
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>


[HN] Meyer & Meyer

Date: 2002/12/07 11:57:30
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

I have found two individuals, either of which, could be my g g grandfather.
The two persons are
(1) Johann Heinrich Meyer, born July 27 1821 in Hannover.  Quite likely, he
lived in or near Oldendorf, Uelzen.  He married Catheria Maria __? and had a
least one son.  The son's name was Heinrich Herman Meyer born October 21
1851.  They emigrated to America about 1856-59 and settled in southern
Minnesota.

(2) Johann ?? Meyer born in 1807 (no month and date available to me at this
time).  He lived in Hösseringen near Uelzen.  His wife was Dorthea Maria ??
and was born May 20 1812 .  She was from Oldendorf, also most likely located
near Uelzen.  Again if this people are my g g grandfather and g g
gradnmother they would have had a son named Heinrich Herman Meyer.  This
couple also emigrated to America about 1856-59 and settled in southeran
Minnesota in the same community as Johann Heinrich Meyer.

In addition to these two families with the surname of Meyer, two other
families with the same surname settled in this community; they were
Christoph Meyer and August Meyer.  It is likely that neither of these two
people are in my direct ancestory.

Also another family, also most likely from Oldendorf near Uelzen, settled in
the same community at the same time.  Members of this family are also my g g
grandparents but on my maternal side.  They are Christoph Grassmann born
November 26 1807 and his wife Sophia (nee Meyer) born March 11 1908.  They
had three children: Heinrich born June 4 1834 and two daughters: Fredericka
(born 1838) and Catherina (b0rn 1836).  Might Sophia (nee Meyer) Grassmann
be related to any of the above listed Meyers?

In advance, a sincere thanks is extended to any persons who might respond to
my inquiry.

Edward H Meyer



Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/07 12:30:31
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Hi Margaret,
there is still a little chance to find HATTENDOFs in Hannover. I´ll
keep looking for "Henry etc."
Klaus aus Deizisau
************************************************************


Margaret McCleskey schrieb:
> 
> Thank you so very much for checking.  I think that I am going to stop on
> this family.  If someone else wants to take up where I left off, maybe
> they will find something.
> 
> Margaret
>


[HN] Meyerholz book

Date: 2002/12/07 14:39:35
From: Joan Shrader <joan(a)greenbackacres.com>

Does anyone know of this book?

Bodenständige Familien in den Grafschaften Hoya
und Diepholz
author Heinrich Meyerholz
1976, two volumes

It is out of print. I am unable to find it in US
libraries so far.

Joan Shrader



Re: [HN] Meyer & Meyer

Date: 2002/12/07 21:39:13
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Edward,
      You do have a problem!  I've had the same difficulty when there are 3
John Stewarts born in a small town in Scotland in the same  year.  Which is
which?!
      This is what I would do:  Both the towns of Oldendorf and
Hössingeringen are very small.  The LDS has microfilm for a village called
Suderburg, which is close to Hösseringen and possibly the place your Meyers
attended  church.  Search for the son, Heinrich Herman Meyer near the birth
date you have.   If his name is not there, born of that couple, one could
reasonably assume that he was born in the other town. Granted, they could
have  attended church in another town, but that is the closest larger town
which has a church (according to my map).  The closest larger town to
Oldendorf in that area is Hermannsburg, but I don't see any  helpful records
in  the LDS collection.  I think you may be able to find what church
residents (of any town) would have attended in that area, based  on where
they lived. I'm not sure about that area, but I would think one could learn
that with enough searching in the Evangelical dioceses or something like
that. My people are all Catholic and one can find that information for their
churches.  Of course, most of the Catholic churches in northwest Germany
have  not allowed the LDS to film  their records, to my dismay!
     Perhaps you have done the LDS route already--it is just a suggestion on
my part.  
Good luck,
Barbara Stewart






on 12/6/02 1:16 PM, Edward Meyer at meyereh(a)sprintmail.com wrote:

> I have found two individuals, either of which, could be my g g grandfather.
> The two persons are
> (1) Johann Heinrich Meyer, born July 27 1821 in Hannover.  Quite likely, he
> lived in or near Oldendorf, Uelzen.  He married Catheria Maria __? and had a
> least one son.  The son's name was Heinrich Herman Meyer born October 21
> 1851.  They emigrated to America about 1856-59 and settled in southern
> Minnesota.
> 
> (2) Johann ?? Meyer born in 1807 (no month and date available to me at this
> time).  He lived in Hösseringen near Uelzen.  His wife was Dorthea Maria ??
> and was born May 20 1812 .  She was from Oldendorf, also most likely located
> near Uelzen.  Again if this people are my g g grandfather and g g
> gradnmother they would have had a son named Heinrich Herman Meyer.  This
> couple also emigrated to America about 1856-59 and settled in southeran
> Minnesota in the same community as Johann Heinrich Meyer.
> 
> In addition to these two families with the surname of Meyer, two other
> families with the same surname settled in this community; they were
> Christoph Meyer and August Meyer.  It is likely that neither of these two
> people are in my direct ancestory.
> 
> Also another family, also most likely from Oldendorf near Uelzen, settled in
> the same community at the same time.  Members of this family are also my g g
> grandparents but on my maternal side.  They are Christoph Grassmann born
> November 26 1807 and his wife Sophia (nee Meyer) born March 11 1908.  They
> had three children: Heinrich born June 4 1834 and two daughters: Fredericka
> (born 1838) and Catherina (b0rn 1836).  Might Sophia (nee Meyer) Grassmann
> be related to any of the above listed Meyers?
> 
> In advance, a sincere thanks is extended to any persons who might respond to
> my inquiry.
> 
> Edward H Meyer
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Schrader Kingdom of Hannover

Date: 2002/12/07 21:39:22
From: DShrad <DShrad(a)aol.com>

Searching for William Dietrich Schrader b-Jun 1801 and his wife Sophia Fancis 
?last name? b-Aug 1812.  They arrived from Bremen on ship "Columbia" in NY,NY 
on 6 Nov 1833 with children Charlotte b-22 Feb 1825, William b-1 Sept 1828, 
and Henry b-24 Aug 1833.  All records - death, obits, census, land sales, 
etc. list "Kingdom of Hannover" or Germany except Sophia lists Baden as her 
birthplace on 1880 census.  Have hit a brick wall on this.  Will appreciate 
any help.  

Thanks

Dave Shrader  Lakewood, CO


Re: [HN] Northouse/Northaus

Date: 2002/12/07 21:53:21
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

In Steinfeld, province of Oldenburg is a very old farm, it called in earlier
time Northus, Nordhus, Nordhues, Nordhusen, Nordthuis. This is the
"Plattdeutsch" form for Nordhaus (north-house).
Today it called Nordhus, it is the farmer Heinrich Nordhus in Steinfeld.
Catholiy family.

Werner

----- Original Message -----
From: <LindaMac10(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:35 PM
Subject: [HN] Northouse/Northaus


> Has anyone encountered the surname Northouse or Northaus?  Records in the
USA
> have his birthplace as Germany.  He was married in the USA in the 1870's.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>




[HN] Immigration of Caroline Eckhardt in 1884

Date: 2002/12/07 21:57:18
From: genie110 <genie110(a)optonline.net>

I am hoping there is someone on the list willing and able to help me.   I do not have easy access to "Germans to America" and have put off, for several years, looking for the immigration of my grandmother in about 1884.  

Victoria Caroline Auguste Eckhardt born in 1867.   She was known as Caroline Eckhardt.  A young girl herself, she was traveling to New York with at least one of her younger sisters:
Johanne Caroline Friederike Eckhardt, known as Friederike Eckhardt, born 1869
Julianne Catherine Louise Eckhardt, known as Julianne Eckhardt, born 1871
Luise (Louise) Eckhardt, born 1873.
I have always felt that someone in New York would have sponsored these young girls and hope that information or at least their final destination would be on the record.

I would be very grateful for any information you could provide.  Thank you, Marion Schmitz 


Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/07 23:29:06
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

I really do appreciate your interest and help.

Margaret

Vahlbruch wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
> there is still a little chance to find HATTENDOFs in Hannover. I´ll
> keep looking for "Henry etc."
> Klaus aus Deizisau
> ************************************************************
>
> Margaret McCleskey schrieb:
> >
> > Thank you so very much for checking.  I think that I am going to stop on
> > this family.  If someone else wants to take up where I left off, maybe
> > they will find something.
> >
> > Margaret
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




[HN] WALTER: related surnames

Date: 2002/12/07 23:38:43
From: CarolSue Robinson <cswr(a)earthlink.net>

(As of December 5, 2002)
As a new subscriber to this List, I would like to submit a
list of German immigrant Surnames that we are researching.
I hope this does not cause any inconvenience, but, would
like it to be filed in the archives for any future reference.
Thank you for your patience.
WALTER - 5 bros.and spouses immigrated betw. 1851-1854 from Ostfriesland
WALTHER 1800, Hannover Province
WERNER - WOERNER 1810-1820, Hesse Kassel
SISTLER / SITZLER-SIGLER-SIZER e:1797 / SIZLER-SISLER e:1747,  Palatine
GRELLIN - GRELL 1770, Plaggenburg-Aurich, also Sonsbeck in the Duchy of Cleve
RODEWALD 1807,  Ostfriesland, Hannover Prov.
HÜLSMEYER 1842, Berne (near Bremen); sometimes spelled HOLTZMYER
FOREMAN-FUHRMAN 1830, Prussia
MILLER - MÜLLER 1811, Hannover Prov.
SCHUCHARDT 1838, Saxe Weimer
RENKEN - REYNKENS 1850, Ostersander (A.Harms Renken)
MANSEN - MANSON 1816, Aurich, Ostfriesland, Hannover Prov
VonTUNGELN 1840, Oldenburg
NESSELRODT 1850, Saxe Weimer, Saxony, Germany
BARKMAN 1840, Prussia
BLATTER 1786, Neuweiler Hof, (french-ruled Saar)
MARÉCHAL 1790, Zweibruecken, Bavaria (French Huguenot family)
KLINK 1847, Württemburg
VINYARD 1821, Aurich, Ostfriesland
REXER 1835, Luetzenhardt/Litzenhardt, Black Forest of Baden-Wurttemburg

*..· ´¨¨))  -:¦:-
    ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))    His peace to your heart, and be thankful!  (Col.3:15)
  ((¸¸.·´  .·´ Carol   -:¦:-       http://thefamilywalter.com/index.html
-:¦:-    ((¸¸.·´*   roots in Germany & Pope County, IL - 8000+individuals





[HN] Oldendorfer Stammtafeln

Date: 2002/12/08 00:01:36
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Liste,
1957 erschien in der Schriftenreihe der Genealogischen Gesellschaft Hameln Heft 16: Oldendorf und seine Höfe.
Der Verfasser Adolf von Einem bot darin den Bezug von Stammtafeln Oldendorfer Familien an. Weiß jemand, wo dieses Material geblieben ist und ob man heute noch daran kommt? (Es handelt sich um Oldendorf bei Elze/Leine, das heute OT von 31020 Salzhemmendorf ist.)
Für jeden Hinweis dankt
Wilfried Petersen


Re: [HN] Meyerholz book

Date: 2002/12/08 00:06:31
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Joan !
If you can read german you should try it with www.gbv.de for borrowing this
book from a german library. If it should be impossible, I propose to
contakct an american library.
Many greetings from Hamburg
Rolf


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Shrader" <joan(a)greenbackacres.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: [HN] Meyerholz book


> Does anyone know of this book?
>
> Bodenständige Familien in den Grafschaften Hoya
> und Diepholz
> author Heinrich Meyerholz
> 1976, two volumes
>
> It is out of print. I am unable to find it in US
> libraries so far.
>
> Joan Shrader
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Meyerholz book

Date: 2002/12/08 00:30:34
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Hi Joan,
you´ll find the book:

Meyerholz, H.-: Bodenständige Familien in den Grafschaften Hoya und
Diepholz - ihr Ursprung, ihre  Ausbreitung und der Wandel ihrer Namen
im Laufe der Jahrhunderte. Bd. 1: Familien, deren Name von Orten und 
Örtlichkeiten abgeleitet ist. 
Syke, 1976. 1. Aufl. 4°. 479 S. OL. - <Bestellnr. 964A>   EUR 61,50 
 [SW: Niedersachsen und Bremen] 

klick on the following link.
<http://www.zvab.com>
<http://www.zvab.com/SESS551861510392707799/gr2/de/index.html>
There is an english version.

Klaus Vahlbruch aus Deizisau
*****************************************************

Joan Shrader schrieb:
> 
> Does anyone know of this book?
> 
> Bodenständige Familien in den Grafschaften Hoya
> und Diepholz
> author Heinrich Meyerholz
> 1976, two volumes
> 
> It is out of print. I am unable to find it in US
> libraries so far.
> 
> Joan Shrader
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


[HN] J.H. & Dorothea Meyer Bartels from Martfeld

Date: 2002/12/08 01:07:10
From: Kathy Stahlman <kbsgen(a)yahoo.com>

Dear List:

I have been searching for more information on my gggrandparents for many years.  My great-grandfather, William John (Wilhelm Johann?) Bartels, was born 12 Jan 1871 in Martfeld, Kreis Hoya Provinz, Hanover, Germany.  He came to the US in 1885 with another family, the Fastenaus, and settled in Clarinda, Page County, Iowa.  This was verified with information I found on the GTA CDs.

Many years later he wrote a short family history, which stated that his parents were J. H. Bartels and Dorotha Meyer.  They were born circa 1840 in Martfeld.  J. H. was a farmer who owned and operated about 6 acres of land.  They had 6 children:  
1.  Henry, born 1862, came to the US in 1888 and settled in Columbus, Nebraska;
2.  John, born 1865, was crippled; he married a woman named Meier, learned to be a tailor, and stayed in Germany;
3.  Doris, born 1867, married Ditrich Koster and had 3 children.  Their son Henry was killed in WWI, their daughter married a man named Buhrhop and settled in Heiligenfelde, and the third child died young;
4.  William (my great-grandfather);
5.  Herman, born 1874, died at age 5; and
6.  Meta, born 1878, came to the US and married Henry Rolf in 1899; they ended up in the Aliceville, Kansas area.  I have been in contact with her grandson, and he has no other information either.

My great-grandfather's death certificate lists his father as "John H. Bartels" and his mother as "Dorthy Meyer."  There seem to be many Bartels families in the region, but so far I haven't found any connection to my family.  The LDS Family History Library does not show any records for Martfeld.  

I would like to find birth, marriage, & death dates for J. H. and Dorotha, as well as any other information about their siblings, ancestors, and lives in Germany.  Does anyone know if there is a Lutheran Church in Martfeld, or where the nearby Lutheran Churches are so I can try to contact them?  Is there any other central records authority where I could try to get information?  Does anyone have any other suggestions or connections to this family?  My German is very rusty, but I have my well-used German/English dictionary.

Thank you in advance for any help you can offer!
Kathy in Ohio



Volga-German:  Feit, Fromm, Ehrlich, Schmunk, Haffner, Winter, Blehm, Seibert
Germany/Netherlands:  Bartels, Herzberg, Herzog, Rippe, Wagoner, Sunderman, Grieme, Busing, Hedebrinks, Moening, Goecker, Ralker
New England/England:  Partridge, Brock, Woodruff, Lewis, Wright, Woodward, Rose, Tracy,  Wyman, Stanley, Dennis, Savage
Pennsylvania/Ohio:  Stahlman, Callen, Armstrong, Paul, McCrory, Wallace, Daniels, Goodenough, Davidson, Snodgrass, Burris, Brady, Phillips 



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

Re: [HN] Hannover vs Baden

Date: 2002/12/08 01:23:15
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

"Margaret McCleskey" <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net> schrieb:
> Thank you so very much for checking.  I think that I am going to stop on
> this family.  If someone else wants to take up where I left off, maybe
> they will find something.
> 
> Margaret
> 
> hrs(a)hist.de wrote:
> 
> > Hi Margaret,
> >
> > I just checked the census and have to send out nehative results.
> > Heinrich Hattendorf and his wife Leonora are neither listed in the
> > 1852 census of Baden nor in any nearby town or village.
> >
> > I found no Hattendorf at all, only a widower and inn keeper
> > Christoph Andeas Hattorf (57 y.) in Achim No. 100 with his
> > daughter Betti (30 y.) and Johann (25 y.). I would not exclude that
> > Hattendorf and Hattorf are spelling variations of one and the same
> > name, but have to state that there is no indication at all that this
> > family is connected to yours.
> >
> > Exept the Baden near Achim there is no Baden in Northern
> > Germany, only the former principality of Baden in Southwest
> > Germany and the town of Baden-Baden in the federal state of
> > Baden-Württemberg.
> >
> > I would say that a North German orgin of the family is probable
> > after you have Hannover as the region (Kingdom) of orgin and after
> > the familyname should orginally be derived from the village
> > Hattendorf (about 40 kilometers southwest of Hanover, belonging to
> > the community of Auetal today) or the village Hattendorf five
> > kilometers northeast of Alsfeld, Hessia.
> >
> > I know that all this does not help too much and that Baden is the
> > only point to start to find Heinrich Hattendorf. It would of course be
> > possible that he was indeed born in Baden in or about 1822 and left
> > the area later on. but this seems to be inprobable and I would not
> > bee too optimistic based on the negative result for the whole Amt
> > (district) Achim in 1852.
> >
> > Best greetings from Bremen, Germany,
> >
> > Jens
> >
> > Jens Mueller-Koppe
> > Historical Research Services (HRS)
> > www.hist.de
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > NEW:
> > Please visit our new website and
> > learn about the Hanover Census Project
> > Hanover Census 1852->www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).htm
> > Hanover Location List->www.hist.de/Hanover-Location-List.htm
> > Hanover Surname Index->www.hist.de/Hanover-Surname-Index.htm
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Schanzendorfer Str. 9, D - 28307 Bremen, Germany
> > Fax: +49 421 4842527
> > Tel: +49 421 4842530
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 

Dear Mrs. McCleskey, 

There are 50 Hattendorf emigrants listed in 
Schaumburger Studien Heft 48
Heinrich Rieckenberg, Schaumburger Auswanderer 1820-1914
Verlag C. Boesendahl, Rinteln, 1988
ISBN 3-87085-122-3

Heinrich Hattendorf to the score, even an Eleonore, though not matching yours, but not all of the Hattendorfs are listed with firsrt names

Mit freundlichen Grüßen 

Falk Liebezeit
Friedrichstr. 25 
49356 Diepholz
Germany - Allemagne
 01149-5441-7336


Re: [HN] Meyerholz book

Date: 2002/12/08 01:56:16
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

"Joan Shrader" <joan(a)greenbackacres.com> schrieb:
> Does anyone know of this book?
> 
> Bodenständige Familien in den Grafschaften Hoya
> und Diepholz
> author Heinrich Meyerholz
> 1976, two volumes
> 
> It is out of print. I am unable to find it in US
> libraries so far.
> 
> Joan Shrader
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 

Hi Joan, 

As it is almost 30 years old and its author Heinrich Meyerholz is a late one ...

vol. 1 is on families with names derived out of placenames 1976, 480 pages
vol. 2 on families with names not derived out of placenames 1012 pages with an edition of 200 copies

was it Hillmann you would be looking for ? 

Mit freundlichen Grüßen 

Falk Liebezeit
Friedrichstr. 25 
49356 Diepholz

 05441-7336


Re: [HN] J.H. & Dorothea Meyer Bartels from Martfeld

Date: 2002/12/08 03:37:30
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Kathy,
     This could be of some help. There are census records for Hannover
region in 1852 in Martfeld.  Go to this website
www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).html  - go to "Which booklets are available
yet?"-- scroll down and you will see the district of Martfeld listed.  You
would have to inquire what booklet would apply and you could order it.   I
think that eventually Martfeld names will be online as they have  done the
names for Achim.  Maybe you could wait for that to be  done.
    Obviously, you will eventually need the church records.  I think there
is a  microfilm available from the LDS which will tell you which parish or
church people went to -  I've never done that, but if you look on the LDS
website, in  the research guidance, it may direct you to the right film.
Sorry, I am not familiar with the Lutheran church records.
Barbara







on 12/7/02 8:07 AM, Kathy Stahlman at kbsgen(a)yahoo.com wrote:

> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I have been searching for more information on my gggrandparents for many
> years.  My great-grandfather, William John (Wilhelm Johann?) Bartels, was born
> 12 Jan 1871 in Martfeld, Kreis Hoya Provinz, Hanover, Germany.  He came to the
> US in 1885 with another family, the Fastenaus, and settled in Clarinda, Page
> County, Iowa.  This was verified with information I found on the GTA CDs.
> 
> Many years later he wrote a short family history, which stated that his
> parents were J. H. Bartels and Dorotha Meyer.  They were born circa 1840 in
> Martfeld.  J. H. was a farmer who owned and operated about 6 acres of land.
> They had 6 children:
> 1.  Henry, born 1862, came to the US in 1888 and settled in Columbus,
> Nebraska;
> 2.  John, born 1865, was crippled; he married a woman named Meier, learned to
> be a tailor, and stayed in Germany;
> 3.  Doris, born 1867, married Ditrich Koster and had 3 children.  Their son
> Henry was killed in WWI, their daughter married a man named Buhrhop and
> settled in Heiligenfelde, and the third child died young;
> 4.  William (my great-grandfather);
> 5.  Herman, born 1874, died at age 5; and
> 6.  Meta, born 1878, came to the US and married Henry Rolf in 1899; they ended
> up in the Aliceville, Kansas area.  I have been in contact with her grandson,
> and he has no other information either.
> 
> My great-grandfather's death certificate lists his father as "John H. Bartels"
> and his mother as "Dorthy Meyer."  There seem to be many Bartels families in
> the region, but so far I haven't found any connection to my family.  The LDS
> Family History Library does not show any records for Martfeld.
> 
> I would like to find birth, marriage, & death dates for J. H. and Dorotha, as
> well as any other information about their siblings, ancestors, and lives in
> Germany.  Does anyone know if there is a Lutheran Church in Martfeld, or where
> the nearby Lutheran Churches are so I can try to contact them?  Is there any
> other central records authority where I could try to get information?  Does
> anyone have any other suggestions or connections to this family?  My German is
> very rusty, but I have my well-used German/English dictionary.
> 
> Thank you in advance for any help you can offer!
> Kathy in Ohio
> 
> 
> 
> Volga-German:  Feit, Fromm, Ehrlich, Schmunk, Haffner, Winter, Blehm, Seibert
> Germany/Netherlands:  Bartels, Herzberg, Herzog, Rippe, Wagoner, Sunderman,
> Grieme, Busing, Hedebrinks, Moening, Goecker, Ralker
> New England/England:  Partridge, Brock, Woodruff, Lewis, Wright, Woodward,
> Rose, Tracy,  Wyman, Stanley, Dennis, Savage
> Pennsylvania/Ohio:  Stahlman, Callen, Armstrong, Paul, McCrory, Wallace,
> Daniels, Goodenough, Davidson, Snodgrass, Burris, Brady, Phillips
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] J.H. & Dorothea Meyer Bartels from Martfeld

Date: 2002/12/08 05:24:39
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Kathy,
    I found this site for Evangelical-Lutheran Churches in the Hannover
area: www.evlka.de/archiv/   On the right side,  click on the Information
for Genealogists--choose the English version.  There is helpful information
there.  If you scroll down, you will see that  they will help you find the
addresses of the churches you may want to contact. Happy hunting!
    I did a google search and it refers  to a Siegel Lutheran Church in
Martfeld.  You might look at that as well.
Barbara





on 12/7/02 8:07 AM, Kathy Stahlman at kbsgen(a)yahoo.com wrote:

> 
> Dear List:
> 
> I have been searching for more information on my gggrandparents for many
> years.  My great-grandfather, William John (Wilhelm Johann?) Bartels, was born
> 12 Jan 1871 in Martfeld, Kreis Hoya Provinz, Hanover, Germany.  He came to the
> US in 1885 with another family, the Fastenaus, and settled in Clarinda, Page
> County, Iowa.  This was verified with information I found on the GTA CDs.
> 
> Many years later he wrote a short family history, which stated that his
> parents were J. H. Bartels and Dorotha Meyer.  They were born circa 1840 in
> Martfeld.  J. H. was a farmer who owned and operated about 6 acres of land.
> They had 6 children:
> 1.  Henry, born 1862, came to the US in 1888 and settled in Columbus,
> Nebraska;
> 2.  John, born 1865, was crippled; he married a woman named Meier, learned to
> be a tailor, and stayed in Germany;
> 3.  Doris, born 1867, married Ditrich Koster and had 3 children.  Their son
> Henry was killed in WWI, their daughter married a man named Buhrhop and
> settled in Heiligenfelde, and the third child died young;
> 4.  William (my great-grandfather);
> 5.  Herman, born 1874, died at age 5; and
> 6.  Meta, born 1878, came to the US and married Henry Rolf in 1899; they ended
> up in the Aliceville, Kansas area.  I have been in contact with her grandson,
> and he has no other information either.
> 
> My great-grandfather's death certificate lists his father as "John H. Bartels"
> and his mother as "Dorthy Meyer."  There seem to be many Bartels families in
> the region, but so far I haven't found any connection to my family.  The LDS
> Family History Library does not show any records for Martfeld.
> 
> I would like to find birth, marriage, & death dates for J. H. and Dorotha, as
> well as any other information about their siblings, ancestors, and lives in
> Germany.  Does anyone know if there is a Lutheran Church in Martfeld, or where
> the nearby Lutheran Churches are so I can try to contact them?  Is there any
> other central records authority where I could try to get information?  Does
> anyone have any other suggestions or connections to this family?  My German is
> very rusty, but I have my well-used German/English dictionary.
> 
> Thank you in advance for any help you can offer!
> Kathy in Ohio
> 
> 
> 
> Volga-German:  Feit, Fromm, Ehrlich, Schmunk, Haffner, Winter, Blehm, Seibert
> Germany/Netherlands:  Bartels, Herzberg, Herzog, Rippe, Wagoner, Sunderman,
> Grieme, Busing, Hedebrinks, Moening, Goecker, Ralker
> New England/England:  Partridge, Brock, Woodruff, Lewis, Wright, Woodward,
> Rose, Tracy,  Wyman, Stanley, Dennis, Savage
> Pennsylvania/Ohio:  Stahlman, Callen, Armstrong, Paul, McCrory, Wallace,
> Daniels, Goodenough, Davidson, Snodgrass, Burris, Brady, Phillips
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Oldendorfer Stammtafeln

Date: 2002/12/08 10:24:01
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Wilfried,
ich bin nicht verschwunden, hatte nur einige Probleme, melde mich bald
wieder. Wenn Du die Oldendorfer Stammtafel findest schau sie auch mal
mit meinen Augen an.
Adventliche Gruesse an alle!
Klaus Vahlbruch
***************************************************************

Wilfried Petersen schrieb:
> 
> Hallo Liste,
> 1957 erschien in der Schriftenreihe der Genealogischen Gesellschaft Hameln Heft 16: Oldendorf und seine Höfe.
> Der Verfasser Adolf von Einem bot darin den Bezug von Stammtafeln Oldendorfer Familien an. Weiß jemand, wo dieses Material geblieben ist und ob man heute noch daran kommt? (Es handelt sich um Oldendorf bei Elze/Leine, das heute OT von 31020 Salzhemmendorf ist.)
> Für jeden Hinweis dankt
> Wilfried Petersen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] J.H. & Dorothea Meyer Bartels from Martfeld

Date: 2002/12/08 16:17:13
From: Dave <davelf2(a)attbi.com>

Dear Kathy in Ohio,

Sorry I can't help you with the Bartels, but I noticed that you also were researching Hedebrinks. Would that be the same surname as Heidbrink? We have a link in Herford-Altstadt ca. 1795, when Catherine Ilsabein Heidbrink married Johann Henrich Fleher.

Dave in Illinois

Re: [HN] Schrader Kingdom of Hannover

Date: 2002/12/08 17:05:24
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Here the Schrader addresses in Achim-Baden, near Bremen:


Schrader, Heinrich
  Am Illgarten 7
  28832 Achim

Schrader, Karl-Heinz
  Alte Finien 17
  28832 Achim

Schrader & Co., Paul Fil. Achim
  Am Schmiedeberg 4
  28832 Achim




> Searching for William Dietrich Schrader b-Jun 1801 and his wife Sophia
> Fancis
> ?last name? b-Aug 1812.  They arrived from Bremen on ship "Columbia" in
> NY,NY
> on 6 Nov 1833 with children Charlotte b-22 Feb 1825, William b-1 Sept
> 1828,
> and Henry b-24 Aug 1833.  All records - death, obits, census, land sales,
> etc. list "Kingdom of Hannover" or Germany except Sophia lists Baden as
> her
> birthplace on 1880 census.  Have hit a brick wall on this.  Will
> appreciate
> any help.

> Thanks

> Dave Shrader  Lakewood, CO

> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




Re: [HN] Schrader Kingdom of Hannover

Date: 2002/12/08 18:56:17
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

Can you tell me how to look for Hattendorf in the same area?

Margaret

Werner Honkomp wrote:

> Here the Schrader addresses in Achim-Baden, near Bremen:
>
> Schrader, Heinrich
>   Am Illgarten 7
>   28832 Achim
>
> Schrader, Karl-Heinz
>   Alte Finien 17
>   28832 Achim
>
> Schrader & Co., Paul Fil. Achim
>   Am Schmiedeberg 4
>   28832 Achim
>
> > Searching for William Dietrich Schrader b-Jun 1801 and his wife Sophia
> > Fancis
> > ?last name? b-Aug 1812.  They arrived from Bremen on ship "Columbia" in
> > NY,NY
> > on 6 Nov 1833 with children Charlotte b-22 Feb 1825, William b-1 Sept
> > 1828,
> > and Henry b-24 Aug 1833.  All records - death, obits, census, land sales,
> > etc. list "Kingdom of Hannover" or Germany except Sophia lists Baden as
> > her
> > birthplace on 1880 census.  Have hit a brick wall on this.  Will
> > appreciate
> > any help.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Dave Shrader  Lakewood, CO
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




Re: [HN] Schrader Kingdom of Hannover

Date: 2002/12/08 19:33:07
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Hi Margaret,
look at: <http://www.dastelefonbuch.de>
look at: english version,
look at: Advanced Search
typ: Name/keywood = Hattendorf
typ: area code	= 28*
enter: start

You´ll find 14 HATTENDORFs near Achim, which has the area code: 28832

Notice, 
Paul SCHRADER & Co in Achim 
is a very famous store-house to bay stuff by mail. There you may get
nice gifts and peresents.
I´m dealing with this company because I´m a salesmanager in a
publishinghouse. Don´t try to ask there, they wouldn´t understand your
question.
May be you may bay a "Kuckucks-Uhr" there or "Nuernberger Lebkuchen"
or "German christmas-books" but you will never find your ancestors.
Klaus Vahlbruch
**************************************************

Margaret McCleskey schrieb:
> 
> Can you tell me how to look for Hattendorf in the same area?
> 
> Margaret
> 
> Werner Honkomp wrote:
> 
> > Here the Schrader addresses in Achim-Baden, near Bremen:
> >
> > Schrader, Heinrich
> >   Am Illgarten 7
> >   28832 Achim
> >
> > Schrader, Karl-Heinz
> >   Alte Finien 17
> >   28832 Achim
> >
> > Schrader & Co., Paul Fil. Achim
> >   Am Schmiedeberg 4
> >   28832 Achim


[HN] addresses

Date: 2002/12/08 19:38:08
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

I would appreciate receiving current addresses for anyone with the surname
of Meyer or Grassmann presently living in the Oldendorf (near Uelzen) and
Hässeringen.  My ancestors came from this region in 1856c.

Thank you.

Edward H. Meyer


Re: [HN] WALTER: related surnames

Date: 2002/12/08 19:46:08
From: The Prough's <dprough(a)mail.win.org>

At 04:38 PM 12/07/2002, you wrote:
*..· ´¨¨))  -:¦:-
    ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))    His peace to your heart, and be thankful!  (Col.3:15)
  ((¸¸.·´  .·´ Carol   -:¦:-       http://thefamilywalter.com/index.html
-:¦:-    ((¸¸.·´*


Re: [HN] Natendorf-Oldendorf addresses

Date: 2002/12/08 22:43:48
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

We have some Oldendorf, the next village Oldendorf to Uelzen is a part of the community Natendorf.
There you can find 20 Meyer addresses but not Grassmann, the next Grassmann lives in Walsrode, not far from Uelzen.
Check www.teleauskunft.de

Werner


> I would appreciate receiving current addresses for anyone with the surname
> of Meyer or Grassmann presently living in the Oldendorf (near Uelzen) and
> Hässeringen.  My ancestors came from this region in 1856c.

> Thank you.

> Edward H. Meyer

> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




[HN] Bartels in Martfeld

Date: 2002/12/09 05:00:45
From: Kathy Stahlman <kbsgen(a)yahoo.com>

Thank you to all the kind folks who wrote with suggestions on how to find the Bartels family in Martfeld!  I plan to try all of them in the next several days, including writing to the Lutheran Church in Martfeld.  Vielen Dank!

Kathy
kbsgen(a)yahoo.com



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

[HN] Bentheim-Tecklenburg Archives

Date: 2002/12/09 19:39:44
From: JAMES0319 <JAMES0319(a)aol.com>

   Can anyone firnish the email and postal address for this 
archive?Thanks.Jim


Re: [HN] Northouse/Northaus

Date: 2002/12/09 19:40:17
From: LindaMac10 <LindaMac10(a)aol.com>

Thank you for answering my e-mail.  I think your information may be very 
helpful.

Linda


[HN] Current Protestant Church Emails & Addresses,Rheda-Wiedenbrueck

Date: 2002/12/09 19:49:18
From: JAMES0319 <JAMES0319(a)aol.com>

   My ancestors were Protestant burgers (probably wine merchants and dyers)  
living in both towns when they were separate. In the 1600's, one was 
Burgermeister in Wiedenbrueck. My emigrant ancestor was christened in 1783 in 
Rheda.His siblings and parents were also christened in Rheda. 
    I may have a need to seek the actual church records, rather than those on 
LDS film or in the town archives. Can anyone furnish current emails and 
postal addresses of the appropriate Protestant church that might hold these 
records today?Thanks.Jim


[HN] Hedebrinks

Date: 2002/12/09 20:30:47
From: Kathy Stahlman <kbsgen(a)yahoo.com>

Dear Dave in Illinois:

I don't have much information on my Hedebrinks other than the direct line.  A distant cousin had some research done in Germany over 20 years ago, and he was able to track the line back to the late 17th century.  As for the spelling, everything indicates that it was Hetebrink or Hedebrings.

This is the lineage that I have:
1.  Rennig Hetebrink, born 9 Jan 1689/90 in Eitzendorf, died 18 Sept 1726 in Eitzendorf.  He married Beke Bultmann 22 Oct 1703 in Eitzendorf.
2.  Their son was Johann Jurgen Hetebrink, born 24 Aug 1704 in Eitzendorf, died 29 Aug 1736 in Eitzendorf.  He married Anna Ilse Hopmann (born Sept 1706 in Martfeld, died 14 March 1785 in Eitzendorf) on 23 Nov 1729 in Eitzendorf.
3.  Their daughter was Rebecka Elisabeth Hedebrings, born 8 May 1733 in Eitzendorf, died 19 Aug 1803 in Eitzendorf.  On 10 Oct 1760 in Eitzendorf, she married Friedrich Ludolf Grieme, who was born in Steinborn.
4.  Their son, Hermann Hinrich Friedrich Grieme (my gggg-grandfather) was born on 11 Oct 1771 in Eitzendorf, and died on 7 Dec 1827 in Martfeld.  He married Anna Dorothe Geils (born 23 July 1776 in Martfeld, died 13 June 1844 in Martfeld) on 1 June 1804 in Martfeld.

Since the spelling is different, this may not be your family at all.  However, I included some of the names, dates, and places just in case they "fit" with your family.

Kathy in Ohio



Volga-German:  Feit, Fromm, Ehrlich, Schmunk, Haffner, Winter, Blehm, Seibert
Germany/Netherlands:  Bartels, Herzberg, Herzog, Rippe, Wagoner, Sunderman, Grieme, Busing, Hedebrinks, Moening, Goecker, Ralker
New England/England:  Partridge, Brock, Woodruff, Lewis, Wright, Woodward, Rose, Tracy,  Wyman, Stanley, Dennis, Savage
Pennsylvania/Ohio:  Stahlman, Callen, Armstrong, Paul, McCrory, Wallace, Daniels, Goodenough, Davidson, Snodgrass, Burris, Brady, Phillips 



---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

[HN] More NIEHAUS

Date: 2002/12/09 20:52:21
From: Frei Mauro <obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br>

Last week I noticed a number of messages about the Niehaus Family.
Hopéfully  would like to find some of my relatives. I´m Fr. Maurus
Hawickhorst, originally from Teutopolis, Illinois but working and living in
Brazil on the Amazon for the last 40 years.  My gg grandparents were a Anna
Mary Elizabeth Niehaus, 1819 - 1890, and Clemens Uptmoor, 1806 - 1893.  He
was born in Lohne, Oldenburg and I only know she was born in Germany,
probably Lohne.  Her parents, my ggg grandparents were Joseph Clemens
Niehaus, 1787 - 1855, Bokel, Oldenberg, and Anna Maria Buckeole,1792 - 1867.
All four of these ancestors died in Teutopolis, Illinois. I´m from
Teutopolis and I knew a John Joseph Niehaus, 1885 - 1961, and Joseph
Ferdinand Niehaus, 1891 - ?. I´ll send along the other Niehaus´s who are
members of our Tree but we only distantly related,  third or fourth cousins.
I would be most interested in hearing from someone who recognizes any of
these names and would like to trade information.
Report
Name Birth date Birth location Death date Death location Spouse
Niehaus, Anna Mary Elizabeth 23 agosto 1819 Germany 10 julho 1890
Teutopolis, Il Uptmoor, Clemens (Clement)
Niehaus, Elke 20 dezembro 1968
Niehaus, Helga 20 maio 1965    Boske, Thomas
Niehaus, Johan Diederick 9 junho 1835  14 junho 1836
Niehaus, Johan Gerd 2 abril 1822 Bokel, Oldenburg
Niehaus, Johan HenrichJoseph 29 outubro 1820  14 abril 1873  Müller, Marie
Angela
Niehaus, Johann Gerhard     Ruewe, Anna Catharina
Niehaus, John Joseph 7 abril 1885  8 março 1961
Niehaus, Joseph 5 outubro 1854  24 agosto 1917  Hattrup, Catharina
Niehaus, Joseph Clemens 29 janeiro 1787 Bokel, Oldenburg 24 outubro 1855
Teutopolis , Ill. Buckeole, Anna Maria Elisabeth (Bukede)
Niehaus, Joseph Ferdinand 15 abril 1891
Niehaus, Julius 20 outubro 1923    Menke-Tobrägel, Josefa
Niehaus, Katharina Elis 8 janeiro 1780 Vestrup 19 dezembro 1851 Vestrup
Hawickhorst, Clemens
Niehaus, Maria Anna 17 junho 1824 Bokel, Oldenburg
Niehaus, Maria Carolina 22 abril 1832  17 fevereiro 1895 Teutopolis, Ill
Schleper, Frank H.
Niehaus, Maria Engel 11 maio 1838  6 junho 1838
Niehaus, Maria Gertrude 26 agosto 1826  9 fevereiro 1901 Effingham, Ill
Hoffmann, Frank Anton
Niehaus, Marianne 7 abril 1957    Seiler, Gerold
Niehaus, Mary Josephine 6 fevereiro 1829 Bokel, Oldenburg
Niehaus, Ursula 27 abril 1955    Marx, Werner
Fr. Maurie




[HN] Pastor Bernhard Pötker

Date: 2002/12/09 22:07:09
From: Joel Poetker <jpoetker(a)earthlink.net>

        It would be wonderful if anyone could send information about my ancestor Lutheran Pastor Bernhard Pötker who was born ca. 1597 and maybe at Melle-Buer or Bielefeld.  He died 18 June 1663 at Barkhausen-Rabber.  He was a scholarship student at Bielefeld Ratsgymnasium, attended the University Brunschweig and graduated from University Helmstadt with a Master of Arts Degree  on 24 September 1620.  He held these positions:

                                        1630  Rector Bielefeld Ratsgymnasium
                                        1631-1633  Pastor Lutheran Schildesche-Bielefeld
                                        1634-1649  Pastor Bad Iburg and Glane
                                        1650-1633  Pastor Barkhausen-Rabber

            He married at Bielefeld Margereta Hellersieck born 1614 and died sometime after 1633 at Barkhausen-Rabber.  Her father was Johann Hellersieck born at Werther and a prominent Bielefeld citz offical.  His father ? Hellersieck and grandfather F. Heilersieg were both born at Werther.

            Perhaps Pastor Berhard Pötker was the son of Lutheran Pastor Caspar Pötker who was Pastor at Buer bz Melle from 1589 to his death in 1616.

            Any information would be greatly appreciated!


                                                                                                    Prof. Dr. J. S. Poetker
                                                                                                    98 N. High Street
                                                                                                    Jackson, Ohio
                                                                                                     USA 45640       


Re: [HN] Current Protestant Church Emails & Addresses,Rheda-Wiedenbrueck

Date: 2002/12/09 22:46:31
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hi Jim,
    I did a search on google and got a website address for Tecklenburg - the
tourist office:  www.tecklenburg-touristik.de  There is also an email
address: info(a)tecklenburg-touristik.de  I would think they could give you
the names of the churches there.
    There is an LDS film of the church records in Tecklenburg.  The film IS
a copy of the original record (unlike the website records).
    For Bentheim I found a website: www.bad-bentheim.de/  However, I don't
see an email address even though it shows a place to "contact us".  The LDS
records are very limited for Bentheim.
     The LDS has film covering the church in Rheda.  The website for Rheda
is: www2.rheda-wiedenbrueck.de/index.cfm  There is a contact place where you
can write a question to them.
     I would think by contacting the town/city someone could give you the
address for the churches there.
Good luck, 
Barbara





on 12/9/02 11:48 AM, JAMES0319(a)aol.com at JAMES0319(a)aol.com wrote:

> My ancestors were Protestant burgers (probably wine merchants and dyers)
> living in both towns when they were separate. In the 1600's, one was
> Burgermeister in Wiedenbrueck. My emigrant ancestor was christened in 1783 in
> Rheda.His siblings and parents were also christened in Rheda.
> I may have a need to seek the actual church records, rather than those on
> LDS film or in the town archives. Can anyone furnish current emails and
> postal addresses of the appropriate Protestant church that might hold these
> records today?Thanks.Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] More NIEHAUS

Date: 2002/12/09 23:21:30
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello Father Hawickhorst,
      I looked up Clemens Uptmoor on the LDS (Mormon) website:
www.familysearch.org and he was listed there.  It lists his parents, but
that is all. But I believe the  birthdate is different. It may not be the
right person.  The LDS do have microfilm copies of the Lohne records. There
are LDS Family History Centers in Brazil, but you'd  have  to look  up the
locations on the same website mentioned above to see if there is one near
you. You can order film there and view the film there. Don't worry, you need
not be Mormon to use their facilities. I'm a Catholic and use  their
resources all the time.
     Of course, it would be quicker to find all your ancestors from a
distant relative somewhere. I hope it happens!
Good luck,
Barbara Stewart


on 12/9/02 1:48 PM, Frei Mauro at obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br wrote:

> Last week I noticed a number of messages about the Niehaus Family.
> Hopéfully  would like to find some of my relatives. I´m Fr. Maurus
> Hawickhorst, originally from Teutopolis, Illinois but working and living in
> Brazil on the Amazon for the last 40 years.  My gg grandparents were a Anna
> Mary Elizabeth Niehaus, 1819 - 1890, and Clemens Uptmoor, 1806 - 1893.  He
> was born in Lohne, Oldenburg and I only know she was born in Germany,
> probably Lohne.  Her parents, my ggg grandparents were Joseph Clemens
> Niehaus, 1787 - 1855, Bokel, Oldenberg, and Anna Maria Buckeole,1792 - 1867.
> All four of these ancestors died in Teutopolis, Illinois. I´m from
> Teutopolis and I knew a John Joseph Niehaus, 1885 - 1961, and Joseph
> Ferdinand Niehaus, 1891 - ?. I´ll send along the other Niehaus´s who are
> members of our Tree but we only distantly related,  third or fourth cousins.
> I would be most interested in hearing from someone who recognizes any of
> these names and would like to trade information.
> Report
> Name Birth date Birth location Death date Death location Spouse
> Niehaus, Anna Mary Elizabeth 23 agosto 1819 Germany 10 julho 1890
> Teutopolis, Il Uptmoor, Clemens (Clement)
> Niehaus, Elke 20 dezembro 1968
> Niehaus, Helga 20 maio 1965    Boske, Thomas
> Niehaus, Johan Diederick 9 junho 1835  14 junho 1836
> Niehaus, Johan Gerd 2 abril 1822 Bokel, Oldenburg
> Niehaus, Johan HenrichJoseph 29 outubro 1820  14 abril 1873  Müller, Marie
> Angela
> Niehaus, Johann Gerhard     Ruewe, Anna Catharina
> Niehaus, John Joseph 7 abril 1885  8 março 1961
> Niehaus, Joseph 5 outubro 1854  24 agosto 1917  Hattrup, Catharina
> Niehaus, Joseph Clemens 29 janeiro 1787 Bokel, Oldenburg 24 outubro 1855
> Teutopolis , Ill. Buckeole, Anna Maria Elisabeth (Bukede)
> Niehaus, Joseph Ferdinand 15 abril 1891
> Niehaus, Julius 20 outubro 1923    Menke-Tobrägel, Josefa
> Niehaus, Katharina Elis 8 janeiro 1780 Vestrup 19 dezembro 1851 Vestrup
> Hawickhorst, Clemens
> Niehaus, Maria Anna 17 junho 1824 Bokel, Oldenburg
> Niehaus, Maria Carolina 22 abril 1832  17 fevereiro 1895 Teutopolis, Ill
> Schleper, Frank H.
> Niehaus, Maria Engel 11 maio 1838  6 junho 1838
> Niehaus, Maria Gertrude 26 agosto 1826  9 fevereiro 1901 Effingham, Ill
> Hoffmann, Frank Anton
> Niehaus, Marianne 7 abril 1957    Seiler, Gerold
> Niehaus, Mary Josephine 6 fevereiro 1829 Bokel, Oldenburg
> Niehaus, Ursula 27 abril 1955    Marx, Werner
> Fr. Maurie
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] More NIEHAUS

Date: 2002/12/09 23:38:39
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Father,
    Go to http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com and enter the name Uptmoor into
the surname place below Search Family Trees.  You will find 7 entries there.
The father of your Clemens is there, along  with the siblings, etc.  Check
on each name listed: there are a couple different family trees. That may
give you a little more information that you have now. I hope so.
Barbara


on 12/9/02 3:21 PM, Barbara Stewart at raymondg(a)attbi.com wrote:

> Hello Father Hawickhorst,
> I looked up Clemens Uptmoor on the LDS (Mormon) website:
> www.familysearch.org and he was listed there.  It lists his parents, but
> that is all. But I believe the  birthdate is different. It may not be the
> right person.  The LDS do have microfilm copies of the Lohne records. There
> are LDS Family History Centers in Brazil, but you'd  have  to look  up the
> locations on the same website mentioned above to see if there is one near
> you. You can order film there and view the film there. Don't worry, you need
> not be Mormon to use their facilities. I'm a Catholic and use  their
> resources all the time.
> Of course, it would be quicker to find all your ancestors from a
> distant relative somewhere. I hope it happens!
> Good luck,
> Barbara Stewart
> 
> 
> on 12/9/02 1:48 PM, Frei Mauro at obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br wrote:
> 
>> Last week I noticed a number of messages about the Niehaus Family.
>> Hopéfully  would like to find some of my relatives. I´m Fr. Maurus
>> Hawickhorst, originally from Teutopolis, Illinois but working and living in
>> Brazil on the Amazon for the last 40 years.  My gg grandparents were a Anna
>> Mary Elizabeth Niehaus, 1819 - 1890, and Clemens Uptmoor, 1806 - 1893.  He
>> was born in Lohne, Oldenburg and I only know she was born in Germany,
>> probably Lohne.  Her parents, my ggg grandparents were Joseph Clemens
>> Niehaus, 1787 - 1855, Bokel, Oldenberg, and Anna Maria Buckeole,1792 - 1867.
>> All four of these ancestors died in Teutopolis, Illinois. I´m from
>> Teutopolis and I knew a John Joseph Niehaus, 1885 - 1961, and Joseph
>> Ferdinand Niehaus, 1891 - ?. I´ll send along the other Niehaus´s who are
>> members of our Tree but we only distantly related,  third or fourth cousins.
>> I would be most interested in hearing from someone who recognizes any of
>> these names and would like to trade information.
>> Report
>> Name Birth date Birth location Death date Death location Spouse
>> Niehaus, Anna Mary Elizabeth 23 agosto 1819 Germany 10 julho 1890
>> Teutopolis, Il Uptmoor, Clemens (Clement)
>> Niehaus, Elke 20 dezembro 1968
>> Niehaus, Helga 20 maio 1965    Boske, Thomas
>> Niehaus, Johan Diederick 9 junho 1835  14 junho 1836
>> Niehaus, Johan Gerd 2 abril 1822 Bokel, Oldenburg
>> Niehaus, Johan HenrichJoseph 29 outubro 1820  14 abril 1873  Müller, Marie
>> Angela
>> Niehaus, Johann Gerhard     Ruewe, Anna Catharina
>> Niehaus, John Joseph 7 abril 1885  8 março 1961
>> Niehaus, Joseph 5 outubro 1854  24 agosto 1917  Hattrup, Catharina
>> Niehaus, Joseph Clemens 29 janeiro 1787 Bokel, Oldenburg 24 outubro 1855
>> Teutopolis , Ill. Buckeole, Anna Maria Elisabeth (Bukede)
>> Niehaus, Joseph Ferdinand 15 abril 1891
>> Niehaus, Julius 20 outubro 1923    Menke-Tobrägel, Josefa
>> Niehaus, Katharina Elis 8 janeiro 1780 Vestrup 19 dezembro 1851 Vestrup
>> Hawickhorst, Clemens
>> Niehaus, Maria Anna 17 junho 1824 Bokel, Oldenburg
>> Niehaus, Maria Carolina 22 abril 1832  17 fevereiro 1895 Teutopolis, Ill
>> Schleper, Frank H.
>> Niehaus, Maria Engel 11 maio 1838  6 junho 1838
>> Niehaus, Maria Gertrude 26 agosto 1826  9 fevereiro 1901 Effingham, Ill
>> Hoffmann, Frank Anton
>> Niehaus, Marianne 7 abril 1957    Seiler, Gerold
>> Niehaus, Mary Josephine 6 fevereiro 1829 Bokel, Oldenburg
>> Niehaus, Ursula 27 abril 1955    Marx, Werner
>> Fr. Maurie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] addresses

Date: 2002/12/09 23:53:47
From: John Lannom <jlannom(a)fuse.net>

Betty,
This man is researching his Meyer line.  Thought you might want to get in
touch with him.

I just found and have corresponded with another Freudenberger cousin still
living in Bad Rappenau, Germany.  It does pay to write to the same surname
people in your ancestor's town.
Carole
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Meyer" <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 1:38 PM
Subject: [HN] addresses


I would appreciate receiving current addresses for anyone with the surname
of Meyer or Grassmann presently living in the Oldendorf (near Uelzen) and
Hässeringen.  My ancestors came from this region in 1856c.

Thank you.

Edward H. Meyer

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




Re: [HN] Schrader Kingdom of Hannover

Date: 2002/12/10 00:47:55
From: DShrad <DShrad(a)aol.com>

Thanks for your help.  Will try your suggestion.

Thanks again,

Dave


[HN] Re: Frei Mauro: NIEHAUS

Date: 2002/12/10 22:07:09
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

Fr. Mauro,

Thank you for your e-mail query on our NIEHAUS famil.  My Niehaus ancestors
were all from Neuenkirchen, Damme, Oldenburg with Johann Simon Niehaus (b
abt 1720) and his wife Maria Elisabeth Ketheler the oldest direct ancestors
I have found.

My g grandfather Heinrich Niehaus (1845-1895) emigrated to the U.S. and
Cincinnati in Nov. 1865, with his descendants remaining there until my
generation married.
I find no common names in my family that match yours with birth dates, etc.
We have had this e-mail exchange before with the same no-match results.
God Bless,

Bob





[HN] Hedebrinks and Heidbrink

Date: 2002/12/11 02:08:50
From: Dave <davelf2(a)attbi.com>

Kathy in Ohio,
The spelling and pronunciation of these names are close enough to be suspicious. My connection to Heidbrink is Catherine Ilsabein, b. Abt. 1776, m. 4 Oct 1795 to Johann Henrich Fleher (another spelling of Fleer) at Herford-Altstadt, Münsterkirche, d. 7 Mar 1819, buried 10 Mar 1819. 
Her parents: Johann Henrich Heidbrink of Pödinghausen and Anne Catherine Ilsabein Menkens.

In a separate entry, I show Marie Anne Louise Heidbrink, b. 1828, m. 23 Sep 1849 to Johann Christian Fleer, d. 1851. Johann Christian's father, Zacharias, was born and died in Laer, Westfalen. 

Regretfully, this is all the information I have on this line.

When time permits, I'll check the distances between Herford, Laer, Eitzendorf  and Martfeld.

Dave in Illinois


[HN] Meyer in Hösseringen

Date: 2002/12/11 03:38:39
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

Just today I learned that my g g grandfather and family left Hösseringen in
about 1854.  They settled in Chicago for 3 years before moving to Minnesota.
Names are Johann (?) Meyer born 1807 but month (?) and day (?) and his wife
Dorothea Maria Meyer, born May 20 1812 from Oldendorf.

Any help on these people?

Thank you.

Edward H. Meyer


Re: [HN] Oldendorfer Stammtafeln

Date: 2002/12/11 13:20:08
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Wilfried,

Die Niedersächsische Landesbibliothek hier in Hannover, dürfte mindestens ein Exemplar des gesuchten Heftes besitzen. Genauso wie von jedem anderen Buch bzw. Zeitschrift auch, das/die in Niedersachsen herausgegeben wurde.


	Christoph


-- 
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Sehnder Str. 28
D-30559 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208


"Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de> schrieb:
> Hallo Liste,
> 1957 erschien in der Schriftenreihe der Genealogischen Gesellschaft Hameln Heft 16: Oldendorf und seine Höfe.
> Der Verfasser Adolf von Einem bot darin den Bezug von Stammtafeln Oldendorfer Familien an. Weiß jemand, wo dieses Material geblieben ist und ob man heute noch daran kommt? (Es handelt sich um Oldendorf bei Elze/Leine, das heute OT von 31020 Salzhemmendorf ist.)
> Für jeden Hinweis dankt
> Wilfried Petersen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de

[HN] Thielen in Celle

Date: 2002/12/11 14:13:48
From: Jan H. Hanssen <hans.stem(a)wolmail.nl>

Liste,

Am 10. Juni 1844 wird vom Notar G.C.H. Guillon zu Roermond (Niederlande, Provinz Limburg) namens Anna Maria Helena Lucken,  Wittwe vom Kupfer- und Messinghändlers Vincent Thielen, gebürtig aus Mastricht, gestorben Celle 13. September 1831, wohnhaft zu Celle, Hannover, und ihre Kindern: Johann Franz Vincent Thielen, Apotheker zu Mainz,  Franz Joseph Heinrich Thielen, zu Hannover, Maria Therese Helene Thielen, zu Celle, Joseph Wilhelm August Thielen, zu Celle, Adolph Carl Thielen, zu Celle, Maria Theresia Elisabeth (Betty) Thielen, verheiratet mit Johann Casorti, zu Meiningen,  Johann Wilhelm Vincent Thielen, zu Celle, Peter Carl Jacob Thielen, zu Celle, George Matthias Vincent Thielen. medicinae doctor zu Hannover;

ein Bauerhof verkauft gelegen zu Leveroy (Gemeinde Heythuysen, Provinz Limburg, NL).

Vincent Thielen soll in Maastricht geboren sein, aber da wurde (noch) nichts gefunden. Vielleicht kan jemand mal nachsehen was in Celle in seiner Sterbeurkunde steht ueber sein Geburtsort, sein Alter und seine Eltern??

Gab es mehr Kupfer- und Messinghaendler aus NL in Hannover??



Jan H. Hanssen, Baarlo, NL



Re: [HN] Meyer in Hösseringen

Date: 2002/12/11 18:38:02
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hösseringen is a part of Suderburg, 5 miles south-east from Uelzen, about 9
miles north-east from Oldendorf.
There you can find a lot of Meyer addresses: www.teleauskunft.de
Werner

----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Meyer" <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>
To: <Hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:39 AM
Subject: [HN] Meyer in Hösseringen


Just today I learned that my g g grandfather and family left Hösseringen in
about 1854.  They settled in Chicago for 3 years before moving to Minnesota.
Names are Johann (?) Meyer born 1807 but month (?) and day (?) and his wife
Dorothea Maria Meyer, born May 20 1812 from Oldendorf.

Any help on these people?

Thank you.

Edward H. Meyer

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Meyer in Hösseringen

Date: 2002/12/12 01:06:05
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Sehr geehrter Herr Honkomp,

obwohl im Oldenburger Land aufgewachsen und z. Zt. in den USA aufhaltend,
kenne ich das Gemeindegebiet Suderburgs sehr gut: An der Straße von
Suderburg nach Bahnsen gibt es eine Siedlung, die nach der Gründung des
Hauptortes den Namen Oldendorf I erhielt (siehe
http://www.suderburg-damals.de/Karte/karte.html,
http://www.gasthaus-mueller-spiller-suderburg.de/Historie/historie.html,
http://www.suderburg-damals.de,
http://www.unics.uni-hannover.de/hdb-synagogen-nds/Uelzen.html).
Fast südlich von Oldendorf I finden Sie den jetzigen Gemeindeteil
"Hösseringen"; hier konnte ich nur 2 "Meyer"-Telefonkunden feststellen.
Von Hösseringen ausgehend finde ich in gegensätzlicher Richtung das nicht zu
Suderburg gehörende Dorf Oldendorf (nahe Hermannsburg).

Mit freundlichen Grüssen,
Hans-Georg Boyken
Titonka, Iowa 50480-0269, USA
______________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Meyer in Hösseringen


> Hösseringen is a part of Suderburg, 5 miles south-east from Uelzen, about
9
> miles north-east from Oldendorf.
> There you can find a lot of Meyer addresses: www.teleauskunft.de
> Werner
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward Meyer" <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>
> To: <Hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:39 AM
> Subject: [HN] Meyer in Hösseringen
>
>
> Just today I learned that my g g grandfather and family left Hösseringen
in
> about 1854.  They settled in Chicago for 3 years before moving to
Minnesota.
> Names are Johann (?) Meyer born 1807 but month (?) and day (?) and his
wife
> Dorothea Maria Meyer, born May 20 1812 from Oldendorf.
>
> Any help on these people?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Edward H. Meyer
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/12 13:48:18
From: Peter Towey <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>

My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England, in 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in the same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His father was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he made his will.
I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can anyone identify it please?

Peter Towey 


Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/12 17:25:13
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Peter,
there is no Ohlenste in Germany but a very small place Ohlenbostel, about 18 km north of the city of Hannover. To-day it is part of Wedemark.
May-be that your Ohlenste is this Ohlenbostel.
Greetings
Wilfried Petersen

"Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk> schrieb:
>My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England, in 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in the same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His father was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he made his will.
>I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can anyone identify it please?
>
>Peter Towey 
>
>_______________________________________________
>Hannover-L mailing list
>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/12 17:59:40
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Peter !
May be your Ohlenste is 27711 Ohlenstedt, about 10 km in the north of
Osterholz-Scharmbekn near Bremen.
Many Greetings from Hamburg
Rolf

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste


Hallo Peter,
there is no Ohlenste in Germany but a very small place Ohlenbostel, about 18
km north of the city of Hannover. To-day it is part of Wedemark.
May-be that your Ohlenste is this Ohlenbostel.
Greetings
Wilfried Petersen

"Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk> schrieb:
>My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England,
in 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar
baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich
Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in the
same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His father
was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he made
his will.
>I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can anyone
identify it please?
>
>Peter Towey
>
>_______________________________________________
>Hannover-L mailing list
>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>


_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/12 19:15:50
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello,
     I would agree with Rolf that the town could be Ohlenstedt.  If you
want, I can scan the page in my Falk Roadatlas and send it to you.
     There are some Johan or Heinrich Weymans (or other spellings) in the
LDS Familysearch.org - but mostly from places other  than Hannover.
Barbara   




on 12/12/02 9:59 AM, Rolf Schulenburg at rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de wrote:

> Hallo Peter !
> May be your Ohlenste is 27711 Ohlenstedt, about 10 km in the north of
> Osterholz-Scharmbekn near Bremen.
> Many Greetings from Hamburg
> Rolf
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste
> 
> 
> Hallo Peter,
> there is no Ohlenste in Germany but a very small place Ohlenbostel, about 18
> km north of the city of Hannover. To-day it is part of Wedemark.
> May-be that your Ohlenste is this Ohlenbostel.
> Greetings
> Wilfried Petersen
> 
> "Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk> schrieb:
>> My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England,
> in 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar
> baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich
> Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in the
> same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His father
> was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he made
> his will.
>> I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can anyone
> identify it please?
>> 
>> Peter Towey
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/12 20:33:24
From: Don Burke <dbdeutsch(a)yahoo.com>

These are some of my surnames from Hannover area:

Niebuhr, Ahrens, Gartner, Harberg (Binnen, Nienburg/Weser) 

Muffelmann, Wehland, Clausen, Stover (Dorverden) 

Mueller, Schumacher, Dreyer, Buckman, Siemers, Kolnsberg, 
Timke, Hobichthorst (Asendorf, Diepholz). 

Sorry about some umlauts missing.

Don Burke




---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/12 20:48:55
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Peter !
You wrote that the name of your ancestor was "Johann Friedrich Waymann". In
german the "way" is der "Weg" therefore I believe that the birthname ist
"Johann Friedrich Wegmann".
Possible you'll find his christining in the books of the St.
Willehadi-Kirche, Hinter der Kirche 10, 27711 Osterholz-Scharmbeck.
Much Success and many greetings from Hamburg.
Rolf

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:47 PM
Subject: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste


My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England, in
1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar
baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich
Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in the
same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His father
was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he made
his will.
I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can anyone
identify it please?

Peter Towey

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/12 23:13:34
From: Edlef Pauly <AuEPauly(a)t-online.de>

"Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk> schrieb:

> I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can anyone identify it please?
> 
> Peter Towey 

It could be Ohlenstedt near today's Osterholz-Scharmbeck (near Bremen). The parish is Scharmbeck, and I have seen the writing Ohlenste in the church records of Scharmbeck .
Greetings
Edlef

-- 
Edlef Pauly

email: AuEPauly(a)t-online.de



Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/12 23:56:38
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Peter,
     If you are near an LDS center, you can  order the film for the
Osterholz-Scharmbeck records. They do have those church records.
Good luck, 
Barbara


on 12/12/02 3:00 PM, Edlef Pauly at AuEPauly(a)t-online.de wrote:

> 
> 
> "Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk> schrieb:
> 
>> I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can anyone
>> identify it please?
>> 
>> Peter Towey 
> 
> It could be Ohlenstedt near today's Osterholz-Scharmbeck (near Bremen). The
> parish is Scharmbeck, and I have seen the writing Ohlenste in the church
> records of Scharmbeck .
> Greetings
> Edlef



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/13 00:04:56
From: GClend917 <GClend917(a)aol.com>

My relatives are Ahrens from Beverstedt. Do you have any info on Ahrens from 
there?

Thanks,

George Clendenin


Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/13 00:39:08
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)attbi.com>

I think there are many Ahrens families in the moor country north of Bremen,
including Beverstedt. You will have to be a lot more specific. Dates and
given names.

Paul Scheele

----- Original Message -----
From: <GClend917(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers


> My relatives are Ahrens from Beverstedt. Do you have any info on Ahrens
from
> there?
>
> Thanks,
>
> George Clendenin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/13 00:55:27
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)attbi.com>

If your Weyman's are indeed from Ohlenstedt, north of Osterholz-Scharmbeck,
the name you are looking for might be WEHMANN which is a name I know exists
in that area.

A man named Franz Stelljes has published several "Familienbuch's" for that
area which are compilations of church records for all of the families in
each parish. He has done one for Osterholz-Scharmbeck and I believe he has
just completed one for Hambergen which is probably the parish for
Ohlenstedt. You can try to contact Franz at    F.Stelljes(a)t-online.de   He
may be able to look up whether any Wehmann's are there.

Good luck,
Paul Scheele

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:47 PM
> Subject: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste
>
>
> My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England,
in
> 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar
> baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich
> Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in
the
> same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His
father
> was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he
made
> his will.
> I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can
anyone
> identify it please?
>
> Peter Towey
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/13 02:10:08
From: GClend917 <GClend917(a)aol.com>

My Beverstedt relatives are:

Wilhelm Ahrens - no dates    
Catherine Margarete Koster (wife) - no dates
Borchert Hermann Jacob Ahrens (son) - born 3/23/1844
Nicolaus Carl Angelitus Ahrens (son) - born 3/22/1842
Margarete Wilhelm Dorothea Ahrens (daughter) - born 3/27/1849

George Clendenin


[HN] A helpful Website - In german

Date: 2002/12/13 02:54:17
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>



Dear List,

A helpful website:

http://www.kgverband-meppen.de/familienforschung.html





_________________________________________________________________
Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/13 06:39:19
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

George,

Do you know that the LDS has the film for church records in Beverstedt from
1715-1852? 

Barbara




on 12/12/02 6:09 PM, GClend917(a)aol.com at GClend917(a)aol.com wrote:

> My Beverstedt relatives are:
> 
> Wilhelm Ahrens - no dates
> Catherine Margarete Koster (wife) - no dates
> Borchert Hermann Jacob Ahrens (son) - born 3/23/1844
> Nicolaus Carl Angelitus Ahrens (son) - born 3/22/1842
> Margarete Wilhelm Dorothea Ahrens (daughter) - born 3/27/1849
> 
> George Clendenin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/13 18:32:17
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)attbi.com>

I have a Wilhelm Ahrens in my records but the wife and childrens names do
not match. My Wilhelm Ahrens first came to Iowa and later moved to Thayer
Co, NE. But, as Barbara Stewart informs, the LDS church does have the
microfilm for the Beverstedt church for years 1715-1852.

Paul Scheele

----- Original Message -----
From: <GClend917(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers


> My Beverstedt relatives are:
>
> Wilhelm Ahrens - no dates
> Catherine Margarete Koster (wife) - no dates
> Borchert Hermann Jacob Ahrens (son) - born 3/23/1844
> Nicolaus Carl Angelitus Ahrens (son) - born 3/22/1842
> Margarete Wilhelm Dorothea Ahrens (daughter) - born 3/27/1849
>
> George Clendenin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/14 20:40:17
From: GClend917 <GClend917(a)aol.com>

I found the children in the LDS microfilm.

George


Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/14 20:44:54
From: GClend917 <GClend917(a)aol.com>

Thanks. I do not think the father came to the U.S., but the children ended up 
in Wilmington, NC.

George


Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/14 22:28:45
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

George,
      Are you saying  that the  parents were listed with the children's
names, but you could not find their births by going to earlier years?
Barbara



on 12/14/02 12:40 PM, GClend917(a)aol.com at GClend917(a)aol.com wrote:

> I found the children in the LDS microfilm.
> 
> George
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 03:03:53
From: GClend917 <GClend917(a)aol.com>

Yes. I have the birth records of the children from the LDS, but not their 
parents.

George


Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 05:11:06
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

George,

     This isn't  much help and  it may be tedious, but I would try other
nearby villages for which there are  LDS films:
     Kirchwistedt 1715-1852
     Bexhovede 1715-1852
     Gnarrenburg 1790-1852
     Kuhlstedt 1715-1852
     That would all take a lot of time, but it may be worthwhile.  Those
villages all look rather small.

Barbara

on 12/14/02 7:03 PM, GClend917(a)aol.com at GClend917(a)aol.com wrote:

> Yes. I have the birth records of the children from the LDS, but not their
> parents.
> 
> George
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 05:47:26
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

George,
      Have you ever looked at the website http://geneanet.org?  If you do a
search there on the name Ahrens, there are many of that name listed.  That
can lead you to family trees that have the name Ahrens.  There seem to be  a
lot of Ahrens in that general area. Many towns that have a name with "stedt"
on the end are not all that far from Beverstedt.  You've probably done that
already--
Barbara


on 12/14/02 7:03 PM, GClend917(a)aol.com at GClend917(a)aol.com wrote:

> Yes. I have the birth records of the children from the LDS, but not their
> parents.
> 
> George
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Christian Benjestorf

Date: 2002/12/15 07:00:16
From: svcygnus <svcygnus(a)pocketmail.com>

Hallo Listers,
  I am trying to identify the parents of Christian Benjestorf who emigrated to the United States ca. 1870.  He would have probably been born in or near Osterwald O/E, Hannover,ca 1850.
   Possible fathers are:
Johann Heinrich Christian Gerhard Benjestorf ..... b. 31 Jul 1798.
or Johann Heinrich Christian Daniel Benjestorf ..... b. 15 Dec. 1814
   There is also a remote possibility that his parents may have been Catherine Dorothee Benjestorf, b. 12 Apr 1804 and her husband Anton Heinrich Boefer. (He may have changed his surname for some reason).
    I have no information concerning the children of any of these people.
    Any information on Benjestorf or Boefer would be greatly appreciated.
   Don Roddy
P.S:  Is there someone out there who would be willing to translate this message into German for me and post it again?

          Don & Elaine Roddy
       at Jacksonville, Florida
w~~~~wWw~~~~wwWww~~~~wWw~~~~wWww~~~~~~



------------------------------
This mobile message sent using PocketMail.
Sign up for unlimited e-mail at www.PocketMail.com.



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 07:17:50
From: Maureen Shelly <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Dear George,

"..... from LDS" can be very misleading misleading ...... what, actually, does this mean to you?

From original church or birth record sources filmed by the Church of the LDS that you have studied? Or merely from a family tree or a pedigree chart that other researcher has posted at the LDS web site?

If you have the original birth records from LDS microfilms of the original records, they should state the names of the parents (surely the father, at the least!).

If you are using the information posted by other researchers at the LDS web site, then that information is simply a "clue" or a road sign for you as to where you might actually find your information, but you should never accept that as a fact ..... and you need to do your own research to affirm or to disprove for yourself anything that another researcher has posted.

There is a good deal of hogwash posted by uninformed people on the LDS web site, and you can note the disclaimers wherein the Church warns you that they do not verify any of that information posted by others as to its accuracy or reliability. The research is only as good as the researcher doing it. Do your own!

Maureen







From: GClend917(a)aol.com
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:03:39 EST

Yes. I have the birth records of the children from the LDS, but not their
parents.

George

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


_________________________________________________________________
MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus



[HN] HOMANN-WELGE-SCHAPER

Date: 2002/12/15 14:27:15
From: Ute Pucknat-Moritz <Ute.Pucknat(a)t-online.de>

Hallo,

mein Name ist Ute Pucknat-Moritz. Ich bin 46 Jahre alt, eine geborene Schmidt und auf der Suche nach Vorfahren mit den Nachnamen HOMANN, WELGE oder SCHAPER aus dem Raum um Hildesheim.
Die Familie HOMANN lebte meines Wissens in Hackenstedt.
Die Familie WELGE in Barfelde.
Es wäre schön, wenn ich Informationen bekommen könnte.

Danke im voraus und herzliche Grüße:

ute pucknat-moritz
schulung & mehr
Markt 17
64807 Dieburg

Tel. (+49) 60 71 - 8 19 00
Fax (+49) 60 71 - 8 19 02
ute.pucknat(a)t-online.de



Re: [HN] Christian Benjestorf

Date: 2002/12/15 15:53:34
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Osterwald is a part of Garbsen near Hannover city.
There i one address:

Benjestorf, H.  :phone (05131) 54329
  Hauptstr. 286
  30826 Garbsen

Werner

> Hallo Listers,
>   I am trying to identify the parents of Christian Benjestorf who
>   emigrated to the United States ca. 1870.  He would have probably been
>   born in or near Osterwald O/E, Hannover,ca 1850.
>    Possible fathers are:
> Johann Heinrich Christian Gerhard Benjestorf ..... b. 31 Jul 1798.
> or Johann Heinrich Christian Daniel Benjestorf ..... b. 15 Dec. 1814
>    There is also a remote possibility that his parents may have been
>    Catherine Dorothee Benjestorf, b. 12 Apr 1804 and her husband Anton
>    Heinrich Boefer. (He may have changed his surname for some reason).
>     I have no information concerning the children of any of these people.
>     Any information on Benjestorf or Boefer would be greatly appreciated.
>    Don Roddy
> P.S:  Is there someone out there who would be willing to translate this
> message into German for me and post it again?

>           Don & Elaine Roddy
>        at Jacksonville, Florida
> w~~~~wWw~~~~wwWww~~~~wWw~~~~wWww~~~~~~



> ------------------------------
> This mobile message sent using PocketMail.
> Sign up for unlimited e-mail at www.PocketMail.com.


> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] HOMANN-WELGE-SCHAPER

Date: 2002/12/15 17:36:36
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello,
      I regret that I cannot write in German.  Have you checked the  LDS
website?  www.familysearch.org  There are many entries with the names Homann
and Welge.  Also, you can obtain the LDS microfilm for the church records
for Hackenstedt (1853-1874) and civil records (1808-1812). Also there are
many, many records available on LDS microfilm for Hildesheim.
Good luck,
Barbara




on 12/15/02 10:05 AM, Ute Pucknat-Moritz at Ute.Pucknat(a)t-online.de wrote:

> Hallo,
> 
> mein Name ist Ute Pucknat-Moritz. Ich bin 46 Jahre alt, eine geborene Schmidt
> und auf der Suche nach Vorfahren mit den Nachnamen HOMANN, WELGE oder SCHAPER
> aus dem Raum um Hildesheim.
> Die Familie HOMANN lebte meines Wissens in Hackenstedt.
> Die Familie WELGE in Barfelde.
> Es wäre schön, wenn ich Informationen bekommen könnte.
> 
> Danke im voraus und herzliche Grüße:
> 
> ute pucknat-moritz
> schulung & mehr
> Markt 17
> 64807 Dieburg
> 
> Tel. (+49) 60 71 - 8 19 00
> Fax (+49) 60 71 - 8 19 02
> ute.pucknat(a)t-online.de
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 17:56:06
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Dear Maureen,
        I always use the LDS website first because it is a great starting
place.  George had looked at the microfilm for the church in Beverstedt and
found the parents' names listed for the children,  but did not give the
parents' births. (Then, one can conclude they were from another village OR
that the records are not complete.)
       I would agree that one has to be careful of what is on the LDS site,
but only for those that are put in by individuals. I myself have been misled
once by that information and I am more careful now.  HOWEVER,  my sister did
centuries of our family history exclusively through the LDS  films for the
various locations. This took her many years to do, but it is not at all
impossible.  When you look at any one record, you must look at the source.
When  it is extracted from the church records directly, you can be
comfortable with that.  If an individual entered  a record, sometimes it
will give their name and you can contact  them.  And most of the time, it
will be essentially accurate.  It can be, as you say, a clue to pertinent
information. More importantly, one can get vast information by ordering the
film from any village or church. Then you view it at the LDS center. There
are so many microfilms that they have but are not extracted onto the website
search. One can determine what films or books they have by going into the
Family History Library Catalog.
      The problem is when the churches, etc. have not allowed the Mormons to
copy their records. I am facing a lot of that problem!  I am  not Mormon,
but I believe they have provided FAR  MORE to genealogy research than any
one  other source.
Barbara 



on 12/14/02 11:17 PM, Maureen Shelly at mcshelly2(a)msn.com wrote:

> Dear George,
> 
> "..... from LDS" can be very misleading misleading ...... what, actually,
> does this mean to you?
> 
> From original church or birth record sources filmed by the Church of the LDS
> that you have studied?  Or merely from a family tree or a pedigree chart
> that other researcher has posted at the LDS web site?
> 
> If you have the original birth records from LDS microfilms of the original
> records, they should state the names of the parents (surely the father, at
> the least!).
> 
> If you are using the information posted by other researchers at the LDS web
> site, then that information is simply a "clue" or a road sign for you as to
> where you might actually find your information, but you should never accept
> that as a fact ..... and you need to do your own research to affirm or to
> disprove for yourself anything that another researcher has posted.
> 
> There is a good deal of hogwash posted by uninformed people on the LDS web
> site, and you can note the disclaimers wherein the Church warns you that
> they do not verify any of that information posted by others as to its
> accuracy or reliability.  The research is only as good as the researcher
> doing it.  Do your own!
> 
> Maureen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: GClend917(a)aol.com
>> Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>> Subject: Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers
>> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 21:03:39 EST
>> 
>> Yes. I have the birth records of the children from the LDS, but not their
>> parents.
>> 
>> George
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] franz henrich ridderbusch

Date: 2002/12/15 19:11:56
From: W.A. Ridderbos <w.a.ridderbos(a)wanadoo.nl>

Wer sind die Voreltern von Franz (Frantz) Henrich (Heinrich) Ridderbusch?

Hämelschenburg:
28-1-1744        Anna Sophia Luise Ridderbusch getauft in Gellersen
                        (Hämelschenburg), Tochter von Johann Heinrich Ridderbusch.
                         Mit wer heiratete Johann? Wenn? Wo?
                         Hatte Johann noch mehr Kinder?

............:            Johann Harm Ridderbusch aus Gellersen heiratete mit
                         ..........................(1e Ehe).
                         Mit wer heiratete Johann Harm? Wenn? Wo?
1736:                Sohn geboren. Vornnamen?
1744:                Tochter geboren. Vornamen?
11-9-1750:        Johann heiratete mit Anna Sophia Nolte aus Reher (2e Ehe).
1760 (zirka)      Johann gestorben.
1762:                 Sohn aus 2e Ehe geboren. Vornamen?
1764:                Tochter aus 2e Ehe geboren. Vornamen?

                         Kinder von Johann Hermann Ritterbusch:
21-4-1751:       Hans Hinrich Ritterbusch, getauft in Gellersen.
24-6-1753:       Anna Margreta Elisabeth Ritterbusch, getauft in Gellersen.
5-8-1759          Johann Christoph Ritterbusch, getauft in Gellersen.



Aerzen:
1650:                Harmen Ridderbusch geboren.
9-11-1681:       Harmen heiratete mit Anne Pieper aus Reher.
25-6-1723:       Harmen gestorben in Reher.
1643:               Anne Pieper geboren in Reher.
21-12-1716:    Anne gestorben in Reher.
7-9-1682:        Tochter Anna Magdalena Ridderbusch getauft in Reher.
22-2-1722:      Anna Magdalena gestorben in Reher.
1689:               Harmen und Anne haben zwei Kinder unter 14 Jahr.
8-11-1701:      Anna Magdalena heiratete in Reher mit Hans Henrich Albring
aus Bruch.
1722 (nach):    Hans Henrich gestorben.




                        Amsterdam:
                        Kinder von Franz Henrich Ridderbusch:
                        (vielleicht wichtig vor benennen vom Kinder)
1-3-1778         Jan Christoffel (Johann Cristoffel) getauft.
30-4-1780       Anna (Anne) getauft.
24-2-1782       Jan Hendrik (Johann Henrich, Heinrich) getauft.
18-2-1784       Jan Coenraad (Johann Conrad, Cord) getauft.
2-10-1785       Jan Hendrik (Johann Henrich) getauft.
9-9-1787         Dorothea Elisabeth (Dorotea Elizabeth) getauft.
                        (ein der Zeuge war: Elizabeth Piepers)
16-1-1791       Frans Hendrik (Franz Henrich, Heinrich) getauft.



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 21:32:02
From: Avspreckelsen <Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com>

Dear Barbra, 
dear Maureen
I agrree: the Mormons are providing a huge contribution to a successful 
genealogical research.
However, just for good order´s sake only I want to point out that the LDS 
microfilms covering the territory of the former "Herzogtuemer Bremen und 
Verden" - i.e. the nothern part of Lower Saxony - have  n o t  been made from 
the original church records which are lying in the corresponding offices of 
the parishes. The microfolms have been made from the so-called 
"Kirchennebenbuecher"  lying in the Niedersaechsisches Staatsarchiv in Stade.
Those "Kirchennebenbuecher" filmed by the Mormons do not include the years 
before 1715 nor the years 1727-1745, 1747-1750, 1753-1758.
The "Kirchennebenbuecher" are copies transcribed from the original church 
books at the end of each year in order to send them to the church authorities 
in Stade as evidence of the fees received for the acts of baptism, of 
marriage resp. of funeral.
Besides the missing of some years in the "Kirchennebenbuecher" I have found 
that the entries in the "Kirchennebenbuch" are not always in accordance with 
those in the original church records. For instance, in the "Kirchennebenbuch" 
of Drochtersen I saw details/dates of 3 ancestors of mine deviating from the 
correct entries in the original church books.

Albin von Spreckelsen  


Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 21:56:55
From: Steven C. Wehling <wehling(a)rushmore.com>

Dear list
The LDS does a wonderful job and they are the first place one should start
your research especially here in the USA, BUT you do reach the point where
you must research in Germany and the church coverage is very spotty in some
parishes and none in some others. What a serious researchers have to do is
either make a trip to Germany and go to the village parishes or local
archives  yourself  ( always a good excuse to go to Germany  ) or hire a
researcher ( which is the most time saving ) and also good if you can`t
translate the old German script and in some cases Latin  researching my
family in my case has been so much more rewarding than I could ever believe,
I have found so many cousins here in the USA and so many relatives still in
Germany.

Steven Wehling


Dear Barbra,
Dear Maureen
I agrree: the Mormons are providing a huge contribution to a successful
genealogical research.
However, just for good order´s sake only I want to point out that the LDS
microfilms covering the territory of the former "Herzogtuemer Bremen und
Verden" - i.e. the nothern part of Lower Saxony - have  n o t  been made
from
the original church records which are lying in the corresponding offices of
the parishes.



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 22:23:41
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Dear Albin, 
      I am sure that such things happen.  I don't know why the records would
differ however.  There were some records in a certain few years that were
copied by the civil authorities. But I presumed those were exact copies.

Dear Steven,
      I do agree with you that going to Germany is the final method for
finding answers.  We did that just last year by going  to two Catholic
diocesan cities (Wurzburg and Osnabruck).  BUT one must allow a lot of time
on such a search. I couldn't finish because I ran out of time.  Furthermore,
the script in Wurzburg (Mittlestreu town) was UNBELIEVABLE.  The people
there did not speak English so I didn't ask for help.  Because I could not
read most of a marriage record, I missed the birthplace (which was in
another town, Unsleben). So  I left without the line completed.  However, I
did get most of what I wanted from the woman's line.
     But, quite honestly, I think most of my success has been from  people
that have helped me online.  The records I am dealing with were never copied
by the LDS--not their fault, I'm sure.  Just  a church policy, I presume.
But SO  MANY people have helped  me,  that I get a lot of satisfaction with
my little attempts to help others. Besides, I'm a natural
researcher--retired librarian..
Barbara

on 12/15/02 1:57 PM, Steven C. Wehling at wehling(a)rushmore.com wrote:

> 
> Dear list
> The LDS does a wonderful job and they are the first place one should start
> your research especially here in the USA, BUT you do reach the point where
> you must research in Germany and the church coverage is very spotty in some
> parishes and none in some others. What a serious researchers have to do is
> either make a trip to Germany and go to the village parishes or local
> archives  yourself  ( always a good excuse to go to Germany  ) or hire a
> researcher ( which is the most time saving ) and also good if you can`t
> translate the old German script and in some cases Latin  researching my
> family in my case has been so much more rewarding than I could ever believe,
> I have found so many cousins here in the USA and so many relatives still in
> Germany.
> 
> Steven Wehling



[HN] BARBARA SUGGESTED THAT I POST THIS!

Date: 2002/12/15 22:41:27
From: Karla Nurnberg <muessidenn(a)yahoo.com>

Dear Barbara, 

  Thank you for your compliment about the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake and their Family History Centers. I would like to share something with you. 

  When I was a student at Brigham Young University in Provo in 1970-1972 and working towards my BS degree in Applied Genealogy, I visited the library every Tuesday and Thursday. At that time they were on Main Street in the old Montgomery Ward building. The book and film collection was modest, but they did have the films for Westfalen and my grandfather's family's parishes. There were only two rows of microfilm cabinets for all the International films. I remember seeing only one reference consultant. This man was a German and he graciously helped me, as I struggled to read the old German script. 

   About 1973 they moved to the North Temple Location, where they were for several years until they outgrew that space. All the time they were adding more books and microfilms to their collection. I had the priviledge of being a temporary reference consultant in the International section. Then, I later served, as a Family History Missionary in that section. I got to answer the correspondence for that area and answer the questions of the library visitors. What a wonderful experience. 

  Now, they are in a larger building, but it is overflowing with more films and more books being added all the time. A while back they divided the Family History books from the general collection. The Family History books are in another building nearby. Some of the less used films are kept in the vault and can be ordered for use sooner than three-six weeks. (This was their policy for local residents a while back.) 

  The GERMAN GENEALOGICAL DIGEST is always printing information about new acquistions, books, microfilms and microfiche in their quarterly publication. The articles in this are great for those doing German research. In their Volume 9, #2 they printed a list of German periodicals. They gave the microfilm and book #'s for any that the library owned. I extended one of my Holstein lines by using these. Also, I completed a family group sheet on my Holstein pastor family. 

  The library is purchasing many Ortsippenbuecher and other village genealogies. These help you construct your families to the beginning of the church books, but one needs to make sure that they were extracted correctly by checking the microfilm records of the parish. 

  I wanted to share this with you to let you see what can happen in just over thirty years of gathering the records. This collection of the world's records has been going on for over 100 years. It will be interesting to see what they can gather in the next 30 years or the inventions that will improve the research, such as better copy machines, computers, etc. 

  Thanks again for your comments and I hope that you take time to read mine. 

Karla Nurnberg





---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 22:54:53
From: GClend917 <GClend917(a)aol.com>

<PRE>Thanks.


Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/15 22:57:34
From: GClend917 <GClend917(a)aol.com>

I have copies from the LDS microfilm of the children birth records.

George


[HN] DINKGREVE,DINKGREVESCHE, HOELTERMAN, BAARLAGE, BEKEBROCK, VON DER HELDE

Date: 2002/12/16 01:05:33
From: Frei Mauro <obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br>

Dear List members,
 Another list of some more of my ancestors,  My last request resulted with a
couple others looking for the same names;  hopefully someone will know
something about some of these.
1. Johann DINKGREVE, ? - 1688, from Addrup and Margaretha DINKGREVESCHE, ? -
1671,  were my gggggg grandparents.
2. Henrich DINKGREVE, 1643 - 1692, and Catherina HOELTERMANN, were my ggggg
grandparents.  All I know about Catherina is that she was born and married
in Wulfenau.
3. Gerdt BARLAGE, ? - 1659, and ???? were my ggggggg grandparents. Their
son, Diederich BARLAGE, 1639 - 1710, married Catherina BEKEBROCK.  I know
nothing more about her, my gggggg grandmother.
4. Johan DINKGREVE, 1636 - 1690, and Anna Margaretha von der HELDE,  ?-
1734, were my gggggg grandparents.  He was from Addrup and she was from
Uptloh.
 I wish I could include more about these ancestors but the above is what I
knoW about them.  If anyone is researching any of these family names,  I
would be glad to send you a list of the other members of these families.
Feliz Natal e Ano Novo.
Fr. Maurie





Re: [HN] LDS

Date: 2002/12/16 01:43:52
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear List,

I agree, the records submitted by family researchers are a clue. I do trust the records extracted by the LDS themselves.

If the record you look at has a film and batch number you can click it and locate how/where the record was extracted and order the film, or locate at your own local archive or library. Most of the oringinal records I believe are in the IGI index.

I thank the LDS whole heartedly for the detailed and difficult work they have done.

I myself have extracted a few records from church books (not for the LDS) and it is not an easy task. Eye strain galore:)

Also bear in mind the older catholic records..in my experience, spelling of names varied depending on the priests skill, and your skill in interpreting the handwriting.

For example my 2GGM... Toebel, Tobben, Toebben, Toeben, Tobbe .. all with the same husband, and the same Church Register :)1860's-1870's and this is in Latin in the USA:)

I can only imagine how difficult in Gothic Script.

Anyway..Thank you LDS, for without your hard work and historical information and clues..research would be a lot harder for all of us.

And whats really neat! For those who had immigrants to the U.S.
LDS now has the U.S. 1880 census online.

Regards,
Barb
St. Louis







_________________________________________________________________
MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/16 07:46:06
From: Maureen Shelly <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Yes, there are gaps in the records filmed --- and places even in the USA where church authorities will still not permit the Mormons to film their records. These church officials are said to feel that, since the ultimate purpose of the filming is to help find and rebaptize their parishoners into the Mormon faith, perhaps against their will, they should not cooperate or participate in that endeavor. It is a religious principle rather than an attempt to frustrate the non-Mormon family researchers! I, too, need Bremen records.
Maureen



From: Avspreckelsen(a)aol.com
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:31:57 EST

Dear Barbra,
dear Maureen
I agrree: the Mormons are providing a huge contribution to a successful
genealogical research.
However, just for good order´s sake only I want to point out that the LDS
microfilms covering the territory of the former "Herzogtuemer Bremen und
Verden" - i.e. the nothern part of Lower Saxony - have n o t been made from
the original church records which are lying in the corresponding offices of
the parishes. The microfolms have been made from the so-called
"Kirchennebenbuecher" lying in the Niedersaechsisches Staatsarchiv in Stade.
Those "Kirchennebenbuecher" filmed by the Mormons do not include the years
before 1715 nor the years 1727-1745, 1747-1750, 1753-1758.
The "Kirchennebenbuecher" are copies transcribed from the original church
books at the end of each year in order to send them to the church authorities
in Stade as evidence of the fees received for the acts of baptism, of
marriage resp. of funeral.
Besides the missing of some years in the "Kirchennebenbuecher" I have found
that the entries in the "Kirchennebenbuch" are not always in accordance with those in the original church records. For instance, in the "Kirchennebenbuch" of Drochtersen I saw details/dates of 3 ancestors of mine deviating from the
correct entries in the original church books.

Albin von Spreckelsen

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


_________________________________________________________________
MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/16 17:43:13
From: Rod Bell <rbell(a)winternet.com>

I'm researching:

Lewer, Ohrns (Ahrens?), Coerster (Koster?)



Rod Bell
Little Canada, MN
rbell44(a)attbi.com

Researching BELL, WARD, PORTER, CATES, MULLINS, MOORE, KINDRED, GENTRY, HAGGARD,
LEWER, KRAUSE, HUBMER, TUERK, ROST, AHRNS, KOESTER





Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/16 22:24:32
From: Edlef Pauly <AuEPauly(a)t-online.de>

"Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk> schrieb:
> My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England, in 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in the same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His father was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he made his will.

Hello Peter,
in the church records of Scharmbeck there is a birth entry for April 29th, 1785 for Anna Mette Weinmans; father was Hinrich Weinmans, "Einwohner" = inhabitant of Ohlenste, mother was Anna Mette Mehrtens; between 1781 and 1789 there were no other children of this couple, and no marriage to be found between 1781 and 1785. 
But I found something else:
In Scharmbeck on April 6th, 1789, was given birth to Johann Friedrich Wehmann by Margarethe Stefern, a female person from Bremen. She gave notice that the father was Johann Friedrich Wehmann, a young man from Bremen.
In german Wehmann is pronounced like Wayman or Weyman in english; you have to keep in mind, of course, that Johann Friedrich used to be a very common combination of christian names in Germany and in that area.

Greetings from Germany
Edlef
-- 
Edlef Pauly

email: AuEPauly(a)t-online.de



Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/17 04:34:10
From: The Prough's <dprough(a)mail.win.org>

I am also looking for Ahrens relatives.  Am looking for any information on

Friedrich Ahrens m. Anna Marie Castens, she born 18 Oct 1846 at Frielingen, Hanover, Germany. They probably married at Frielingen. The immigrated to Texas, would like to find where and if any family in America.

Also looking for and further information on

Johann Heinrich Ahrend he b. 27 Dec 1848 and d. 22 May 1910, who m.
Anna Catharine Wilhelmine Castens she b. 26 Nov 1851 at Frielingen, d. 7 Jan 1935. They married probably at Frielingen 15 Oct 1875. They had one son Heinrich. Would like to know if there are any descendants.

They are sisters of my grandfather.

Yvonne Castens Prough

 At 07:09 PM 12/12/2002, you wrote:
My Beverstedt relatives are:

Wilhelm Ahrens - no dates
Catherine Margarete Koster (wife) - no dates
Borchert Hermann Jacob Ahrens (son) - born 3/23/1844
Nicolaus Carl Angelitus Ahrens (son) - born 3/22/1842
Margarete Wilhelm Dorothea Ahrens (daughter) - born 3/27/1849

George Clendenin

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/17 05:50:49
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello Yvonne
     You've probably looked at all these places.  But I'll mention them
anyway:  for Texas, try:  www.usgenweb.com/ and go to Texas.  There are some
searches you can run there.  Sometimes,  some of these state  pages contain
something that general searches don't pick up.  Try http://geneanet.org/ -
there are many family trees there.  Also,
www.gendex.com:8080/display?page=surnames&  I'm sure you have done the usual
ancestry.com.  Too bad, Texas is such a huge state. I did a search there for
Ahrens and there are TOO MANY people to try to contact anybody there.  It
wasn't clear whether John Arend or Heinrich immigrated  to America.
One tough challenge there--good  luck!
Barbara




on 12/16/02 8:33 PM, The Prough's at dprough(a)mail.win.org wrote:

> I am also looking for Ahrens relatives.  Am looking for any information on
> 
> Friedrich Ahrens m. Anna Marie Castens, she born 18 Oct 1846 at Frielingen,
> Hanover, Germany.  They probably married at Frielingen.  The immigrated to
> Texas,  would like to find where and if any family in America.
> 
> Also looking for and further information on
> 
> Johann Heinrich Ahrend he b. 27 Dec 1848 and d. 22 May 1910, who m.
> Anna Catharine Wilhelmine Castens she b. 26 Nov 1851 at Frielingen, d. 7
> Jan 1935.
> They married probably at Frielingen 15 Oct 1875. They had one son
> Heinrich.  Would like to know if there are any descendants.
> 
> They are sisters of my grandfather.
> 
> Yvonne Castens Prough
> 
> At 07:09 PM 12/12/2002, you wrote:
>> My Beverstedt relatives are:
>> 
>> Wilhelm Ahrens - no dates
>> Catherine Margarete Koster (wife) - no dates
>> Borchert Hermann Jacob Ahrens (son) - born 3/23/1844
>> Nicolaus Carl Angelitus Ahrens (son) - born 3/22/1842
>> Margarete Wilhelm Dorothea Ahrens (daughter) - born 3/27/1849
>> 
>> George Clendenin
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Historische Karten

Date: 2002/12/17 09:41:29
From: Wolfgang Marschall <wolmars(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

die Uni-Bremen hat über 2000 historische Karten ins Netz gestellt.
Sie sind über einen Online-Katalog abrufbar.

Adresse: http://gauss.suub.uni-bremen.de


Gruß Wolfgang


----------------------------------------------------
Wolfgang Marschall
Lange Streifen 18
28357 Bremen
049-421-272536



Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/17 16:32:24
From: Peter Towey <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>

Hi Wilfried,

Thanks for your advice.

Peter


----- Original Message -----
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste


Hallo Peter,
there is no Ohlenste in Germany but a very small place Ohlenbostel, about 18
km north of the city of Hannover. To-day it is part of Wedemark.
May-be that your Ohlenste is this Ohlenbostel.
Greetings
Wilfried Petersen

"Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk> schrieb:
>My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England,
in 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar
baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich
Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in the
same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His father
was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he made
his will.
>I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can anyone
identify it please?
>
>Peter Towey
>
>_______________________________________________
>Hannover-L mailing list
>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>


_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l




Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/17 16:33:30
From: Peter Towey <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>

Hi Rolf,


Thanks for your advice.  I will follow it.

Peter


----- Original Message -----
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste


> Hallo Peter !
> You wrote that the name of your ancestor was "Johann Friedrich Waymann".
In
> german the "way" is der "Weg" therefore I believe that the birthname ist
> "Johann Friedrich Wegmann".
> Possible you'll find his christining in the books of the St.
> Willehadi-Kirche, Hinter der Kirche 10, 27711 Osterholz-Scharmbeck.
> Much Success and many greetings from Hamburg.
> Rolf
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:47 PM
> Subject: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste
>
>
> My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London, England,
in
> 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a sugar
> baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich
> Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in
the
> same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His
father
> was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he
made
> his will.
> I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can
anyone
> identify it please?
>
> Peter Towey
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/17 16:35:48
From: Peter Towey <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>

Thanbks Barbara,

Thank you for the offer to scan the Roadatlas but I have found it in my own
road map.

I have checked the LDS familysearch site without success but the results of
this posting are very exciting!

Best Wishes
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste


> Hello,
>      I would agree with Rolf that the town could be Ohlenstedt.  If you
> want, I can scan the page in my Falk Roadatlas and send it to you.
>      There are some Johan or Heinrich Weymans (or other spellings) in the
> LDS Familysearch.org - but mostly from places other  than Hannover.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> on 12/12/02 9:59 AM, Rolf Schulenburg at rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de
wrote:
>
> > Hallo Peter !
> > May be your Ohlenste is 27711 Ohlenstedt, about 10 km in the north of
> > Osterholz-Scharmbekn near Bremen.
> > Many Greetings from Hamburg
> > Rolf
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
> > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste
> >
> >
> > Hallo Peter,
> > there is no Ohlenste in Germany but a very small place Ohlenbostel,
about 18
> > km north of the city of Hannover. To-day it is part of Wedemark.
> > May-be that your Ohlenste is this Ohlenbostel.
> > Greetings
> > Wilfried Petersen
> >
> > "Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk> schrieb:
> >> My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London,
England,
> > in 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a
sugar
> > baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich
> > Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in
the
> > same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His
father
> > was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he
made
> > his will.
> >> I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can
anyone
> > identify it please?
> >>
> >> Peter Towey
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Hannover-L mailing list
> >> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste

Date: 2002/12/17 16:36:22
From: Peter Towey <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>

Hi, Paul,

Many thanks for your advice.

Peter


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)attbi.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste


> If your Weyman's are indeed from Ohlenstedt, north of
Osterholz-Scharmbeck,
> the name you are looking for might be WEHMANN which is a name I know
exists
> in that area.
>
> A man named Franz Stelljes has published several "Familienbuch's" for that
> area which are compilations of church records for all of the families in
> each parish. He has done one for Osterholz-Scharmbeck and I believe he has
> just completed one for Hambergen which is probably the parish for
> Ohlenstedt. You can try to contact Franz at    F.Stelljes(a)t-online.de   He
> may be able to look up whether any Wehmann's are there.
>
> Good luck,
> Paul Scheele
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Towey" <petertowey(a)eurobell.co.uk>
> > To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:47 PM
> > Subject: [HN] Weyman of Ohlenste
> >
> >
> > My ancestor Johann Friedrich Wayman or Weyman married in London,
England,
> in
> > 1817.  He was born in 1785 in Germany, possibly Hannover.  He was a
sugar
> > baker.  I have found a will in the Probate Court in London of Heinrich
> > Weyman or Weiman of Ohlenste, Hannover, a sugar baker, who was living in
> the
> > same small street in London as my ancestor when he died in 1815.  His
> father
> > was also Heinrich Weyman and he was living in Ohlenste in 1803 when he
> made
> > his will.
> > I cannot find Ohlenste in Meyers or in current maps of Germany.  Can
> anyone
> > identify it please?
> >
> > Peter Towey
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



[HN] Names

Date: 2002/12/18 02:15:35
From: John <jgj44(a)dejazzd.com>

Hi Rod:
My grandparents name was BELL from Pennsylvania.  Do you have any relations from Penna. in your line. 
John J. Good
jgj44(a)dejazzed.com


Re: [HN] Names

Date: 2002/12/18 05:47:04
From: RodNolte <RodNolte(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 12/17/02 5:16:57 PM, jgj44(a)dejazzd.com writes:

<< Hi Rod:

My grandparents name was BELL from Pennsylvania.  Do you have any relations 
from Penna. in your line. 

John J. Good >>

Not that I know of. 

Rod


Re: [HN] My Hannover Surnames For List Newcomers

Date: 2002/12/18 07:07:49
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Dear Yvonne,
       If you go to the LDS website (www.familysearch.org) and do a search
for Friederich Ahrens you will get some census records.  How about the
listing below? This spelling  is different for the last name, but misspelled
names are common in census records.  The father here is 30 years old.  Ann
is the wife (like the Anna Marie Castens?) and her birthdate in Germany
would be about 1846.  Could  this be the family you were looking for? The
children are born in Ill,and  Wisconsin. They may have moved a lot? You
might look at the others on the site--I don't know....

 Fredrick AHRINS      Self      M      Male      W    30    GERM Farmer    
 
 Ann AHRINS      Wife      M      Female      W      34  GERM  Keeps House 
 
 Caroline AHRINS      Dau      S      Female      W      10      IL       
 Gurta AHRINS      Dau      S      Female      W      6      WI             
 Albert AHRINS      Son      S      Male      W      3      WI            


 12/16/02 8:33 PM, The Prough's at dprough(a)mail.win.org wrote:

> I am also looking for Ahrens relatives.  Am looking for any information on
> 
> Friedrich Ahrens m. Anna Marie Castens, she born 18 Oct 1846 at Frielingen,
> Hanover, Germany.  They probably married at Frielingen.  The immigrated to
> Texas,  would like to find where and if any family in America.
> 
> Also looking for and further information on
> 
> Johann Heinrich Ahrend he b. 27 Dec 1848 and d. 22 May 1910, who m.
> Anna Catharine Wilhelmine Castens she b. 26 Nov 1851 at Frielingen, d. 7
> Jan 1935.
> They married probably at Frielingen 15 Oct 1875. They had one son
> Heinrich.  Would like to know if there are any descendants.
> 
> They are sisters of my grandfather.
> 
> Yvonne Castens Prough
> 
> At 07:09 PM 12/12/2002, you wrote:
>> My Beverstedt relatives are:
>> 
>> Wilhelm Ahrens - no dates
>> Catherine Margarete Koster (wife) - no dates
>> Borchert Hermann Jacob Ahrens (son) - born 3/23/1844
>> Nicolaus Carl Angelitus Ahrens (son) - born 3/22/1842
>> Margarete Wilhelm Dorothea Ahrens (daughter) - born 3/27/1849
>> 
>> George Clendenin
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Families

Date: 2002/12/18 16:08:58
From: Dale <drluttmann(a)triton.net>

Dear List,

I am researching the following families in the Visselhovede-Jeddingen area:

                   Luttmann
                   Ahrens
                   Thomhose
                   Bunger
                   Gercken

Is there anyone on the list with similar interests?

Dale R. Luttmann
drluttmann(a)triton.net


[HN] Auswanderer

Date: 2002/12/18 16:25:08
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Auswanderer aus dem Oldenburger Land


Sehr geehrte Listenmitglieder,

aus ggb. Veranlassung möchte ich Ihnen mitteilen, daß die Namen und Daten meiner Emails vom 6. und 7. November 2002 (Folge 1 - 5) dem internationalen Copyright (© 2002) unterliegen; Anfragen zu Ausnahmen richten Sie bitte an den Unterzeichnenden.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Hans-Georg Boyken
Titonka, Iowa 50480-0269, USA
frisian(a)netins.net



[HN] Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 01:47:53
From: Joan Shrader <joan(a)greenbackacres.com>

Werneking or Wilking?

Could these two names be different spellings for
the same family?

I am looking for the parents of Sophie Werneking
(American spelling). She married Hermann Hillmann
from Brebber about 1854 and later records say she
was from Wietzen. The only family name that is
close in the Wietzen censuses is Wilking. Wilking
seems to be the correct one because the Gollner
and Brinkmann families live nextdoor and are also
in my ancestry.



Re: [HN] Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 02:05:39
From: Don Burke <dbdeutsch(a)yahoo.com>

Joan,
I looked in www.infospace.com international telephone and in the Das Telefonbuch and couldn't find Werneking Brebber or in any large cities in Germany. I found 4 in Texas. So it might be Americanized.

Don


 Joan Shrader <joan(a)greenbackacres.com> wrote:Werneking or Wilking?

Could these two names be different spellings for
the same family?

I am looking for the parents of Sophie Werneking
(American spelling). She married Hermann Hillmann
from Brebber about 1854 and later records say she
was from Wietzen. The only family name that is
close in the Wietzen censuses is Wilking. Wilking
seems to be the correct one because the Gollner
and Brinkmann families live nextdoor and are also
in my ancestry.


_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


---------------------------------
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

Re: [HN] Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 04:17:17
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Joan,
     I don't really know the answer to that, but when you do a search on the
LDS website for each of the names (with the "exact spelling" checked) and no
other information given, you get many people with both names given.  I would
not conclude at all that they were the same name.
    I know that some records in Germany (as in a marriage record, for
example) may say that a  person is "from" some village (meaning that he/she
lives there now) which may not necessarily mean that the person was "born"
there. That causes confusion, to be sure.
    However, many names are  misspelled in census records and church records
and the script can be misleading as well!
Barbara



on 12/18/02 5:57 PM, Joan Shrader at joan(a)greenbackacres.com wrote:

> Werneking or Wilking?
> 
> Could these two names be different spellings for
> the same family?
> 
> I am looking for the parents of Sophie Werneking
> (American spelling). She married Hermann Hillmann
> from Brebber about 1854 and later records say she
> was from Wietzen. The only family name that is
> close in the Wietzen censuses is Wilking. Wilking
> seems to be the correct one because the Gollner
> and Brinkmann families live nextdoor and are also
> in my ancestry.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 04:23:45
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Joan,
    I should have also said that sometimes what you see in a church record
is the town where the person was baptised (the parish), which may be a
nearby town from where they were actually born.
Barbara


on 12/18/02 5:57 PM, Joan Shrader at joan(a)greenbackacres.com wrote:

> Werneking or Wilking?
> 
> Could these two names be different spellings for
> the same family?
> 
> I am looking for the parents of Sophie Werneking
> (American spelling). She married Hermann Hillmann
> from Brebber about 1854 and later records say she
> was from Wietzen. The only family name that is
> close in the Wietzen censuses is Wilking. Wilking
> seems to be the correct one because the Gollner
> and Brinkmann families live nextdoor and are also
> in my ancestry.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Kirsten Richter

Date: 2002/12/19 13:52:00
From: Jo van Mook <JOVAMO(a)HETNET.NL>

Gibt es einer wer der KIRSTEN RICHTER kennt?
Grússe
JvM


Re: [HN] Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 14:06:28
From: Vahlbruch <klaus-moni-vahlbruch(a)t-online.de>

Hi Barbara,
looking for all your answers and comments in this list
for such a long time, I want to say: THANK YOU!

"That causes" freindship, I´m "sure".

Klaus Vahlbruch
********************************************************

Barbara Stewart schrieb:



> there. That causes confusion, to be sure.



> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Re: Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 17:31:17
From: Joan Shrader <joan(a)greenbackacres.com>

Helpful friends,

The name Werneking is spelled Warneking sometimes
in our family records, and I expected that we
might even be looking for Warneke or Werneling or
something like that -- but Wilking is a surprise.

In my experience, whatever spelling the first
ship's clerk wrote down was usually kept in the
new country, as that paper was passed on to the
next agent -- and we all know how good those guys
could spell! Her brother's name, however, is
spelled "Wasnecke" on the ship passenger list.

My Sophie's neice went back to Wietzen to visit in
1922, and at least one of her nephews or cousins
came to the US with her help. Here, they all used
the Werneking spelling. Somehow only two or three
generations later, we have lost all ties back to
the Hannover area. In the late 1800's exact
spelling was much less an issue, of course, and we
are all accustomed to name changes, both given and
surnames, in the new environment.

I'll keep reading microfilm, as usual -- have
spent only one session with the Nienburg censuses.
It's always a challenge. Thanks for your
responses.

Ernestine Wark, I have not forgotten to look for
your Ebeling and Gieseking.

Joan



Re: [HN] Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 19:32:17
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Joan,
     Try going to www.gencircles.com and  search for Werneking.  Is that
your Sophie.  If so, she was born  in Schlüsselburg, which is not far from
the  area you are searching.  It shows Kreis Hoya. Or the name of the
village could  be something else.  I've seen those strange characters happen
in some websites if the umlat is used.
Barbara




on 12/18/02 5:57 PM, Joan Shrader at joan(a)greenbackacres.com wrote:

> Werneking or Wilking?
> 
> Could these two names be different spellings for
> the same family?
> 
> I am looking for the parents of Sophie Werneking
> (American spelling). She married Hermann Hillmann
> from Brebber about 1854 and later records say she
> was from Wietzen. The only family name that is
> close in the Wietzen censuses is Wilking. Wilking
> seems to be the correct one because the Gollner
> and Brinkmann families live nextdoor and are also
> in my ancestry.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Re: Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 19:52:19
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Joan,
    The LDS has records for Schlüsselberg from 1728 on.
Barbara


on 12/19/02 9:41 AM, Joan Shrader at joan(a)greenbackacres.com wrote:

> Helpful friends,
> 
> The name Werneking is spelled Warneking sometimes
> in our family records, and I expected that we
> might even be looking for Warneke or Werneling or
> something like that -- but Wilking is a surprise.
> 
> In my experience, whatever spelling the first
> ship's clerk wrote down was usually kept in the
> new country, as that paper was passed on to the
> next agent -- and we all know how good those guys
> could spell! Her brother's name, however, is
> spelled "Wasnecke" on the ship passenger list.
> 
> My Sophie's neice went back to Wietzen to visit in
> 1922, and at least one of her nephews or cousins
> came to the US with her help. Here, they all used
> the Werneking spelling. Somehow only two or three
> generations later, we have lost all ties back to
> the Hannover area. In the late 1800's exact
> spelling was much less an issue, of course, and we
> are all accustomed to name changes, both given and
> surnames, in the new environment.
> 
> I'll keep reading microfilm, as usual -- have
> spent only one session with the Nienburg censuses.
> It's always a challenge. Thanks for your
> responses.
> 
> Ernestine Wark, I have not forgotten to look for
> your Ebeling and Gieseking.
> 
> Joan
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 22:46:00
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Joan,
in the to-day's telephone-register of Germany there are many Wilkings but no Wernekings, only a few Wernekincks.
Wilfried

"Joan Shrader" <joan(a)greenbackacres.com> schrieb:
>Werneking or Wilking?
>
>Could these two names be different spellings for
>the same family?
>
>I am looking for the parents of Sophie Werneking
>(American spelling). She married Hermann Hillmann
>from Brebber about 1854 and later records say she
>was from Wietzen. The only family name that is
>close in the Wietzen censuses is Wilking. Wilking
>seems to be the correct one because the Gollner
>and Brinkmann families live nextdoor and are also
>in my ancestry.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Hannover-L mailing list
>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>



Re: [HN] Re: Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/19 23:27:55
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Joan,
in the german telephone-register exists neither Werneking nor Werneling nor Wasnecke, but several (14) Warneking and a lot of Warneke and Warnecke.
Wilfried

"Joan Shrader" <joan(a)greenbackacres.com> schrieb:
>Helpful friends,
>
>The name Werneking is spelled Warneking sometimes
>in our family records, and I expected that we
>might even be looking for Warneke or Werneling or
>something like that -- but Wilking is a surprise.
>
>In my experience, whatever spelling the first
>ship's clerk wrote down was usually kept in the
>new country, as that paper was passed on to the
>next agent -- and we all know how good those guys
>could spell! Her brother's name, however, is
>spelled "Wasnecke" on the ship passenger list.
>
>Joan
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>



[HN] RE: Wilking - Werneking

Date: 2002/12/20 18:11:25
From: Joan Shrader <joan(a)greenbackacres.com>

Barbara and others,

The Gencircles info on Sophie Werneking was posted
by a cousin of mine. It's not necessarily
documented -- more like draft material lifted from
the rest of us Hillmans. Don't believe everything
you see on the web.

About the Meyerholz books -- a friend in Germany
has gone to the national library and taken notes
from Volume I on a related Martfeld family, the
Brinkmanns. He says that the Hillmanns I am
looking for are in Volume II. Several out-of-print
bookstores offer Volume I but I have not yet found
a source for Volume II. My friend says it is in
the national library in Hamburg.

Thank you all for Wilking spelling suggestions.

Joan






[HN] MY Ancestors SURNAMES

Date: 2002/12/22 17:05:09
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

STEMLER/STEMMLER  WEISS 
HEUGELE  VANGELS  Steinecke

See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
** Nannette **
;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>

[HN] HOPKE ROTHER

Date: 2002/12/27 04:32:30
From: jean(a)minesurfer <jean(a)minesurfer.com>

Hi List I am searching for information about my g-grandmaother Cath. Marie (Mary) Rother b.1848., and her mother Anna Marie Rother b. 1798. iin Hannover.  also my G-grandfather George Hopke b. 1844 in Hannover and his brother Charles Hopke b. 1849, Hannover.  Anyone working on these names?

Thank you 
Jean


[HN] Stederdorf, Oberg, Vöhrum

Date: 2002/12/27 16:53:09
From: Almut Völker <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de>

Frohe Weihnachten Andrea Immel

ich suche aus Hanigsen, Fam LAUW,
		Oberg,  	Fam. 	VOGES
		Sterderdorf. Fam. Ohland
		Vöhrum	Fam.ASELMANN;  BREMER; ERNST; FRÜHLING; OELKERS




[HN] Search for Daman

Date: 2002/12/28 14:09:30
From: olga <olga.kroeders(a)wanadoo.nl>

Hello

I'm looking for more information about the ggg-mother and father of my daughter.
Their names are  Johan Friedrich Daman and Clare elisabeh Drifmeier.
They had at least 2 sons, Johan Heinrich, born 1799 in Arendshorst, Hannover and Johan Friedrich Wilhelm, born 18-10-1809 in Osnabruck. 
Who can help me? 
Groetjes olga

http://members.chello.nl/~s.tencate/stamboom

Altijd op zoek naar Knuist,Snijder,Kroeders,Dagelet,van der Bleek,Damstra ,van Rijn ,Stuifbergen,ten Cate, Daman, van Kempen en van Oosten


Re: [HN] Search for Daman

Date: 2002/12/28 18:13:10
From: Robert Dannemann <robertd(a)atlantic.net>

Hi
Sorry they are not related to me.
My Great Grandfather is from Walendorf.
His name was Johann Frederich Dannemann.
Robert Dannemann


At 02:09 PM 12/28/2002 +0100, you wrote:


Hello

I'm looking for more information about the ggg-mother and father of my daughter.
Their names are  Johan Friedrich Daman and Clare elisabeh Drifmeier.
They had at least 2 sons, Johan Heinrich, born 1799 in Arendshorst, Hannover and Johan Friedrich Wilhelm, born 18-10-1809 in Osnabruck.
Who can help me?
Groetjes olga

http://members.chello.nl/~s.tencate/stamboom

Altijd op zoek naar Knuist,Snijder,Kroeders,Dagelet,van der Bleek,Damstra ,van Rijn ,Stuifbergen,ten Cate, Daman, van Kempen en van Oosten

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] [Fwd: Fam.Rüwen]

Date: 2002/12/28 18:33:18
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

Weiterleitung/Forwarding:

"vanmookkleinbreteler" <info(a)vanmookkleinbreteler.com> schrieb:
> HILFE.
> Kennt jemand JOHAN RÜWEN,anfang 1700/1750 in IBBENBÜREN oder MERZEN?
> Danke,
> JvM

Antworten bitte direkt an <info(a)vanmookkleinbreteler.com> oder an die
Liste. / Please reply directly to <info(a)vanmookkleinbreteler.com> or
to the list.

Viele Grüße / Kind regards

Jürgen
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38106 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


[HN] Wo liegt "WENTHEBURG (?)"

Date: 2002/12/29 11:42:14
From: Reinhard . Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Kirchenbuch Dankelshausen (Nähe Hann.-Münden) Kreis Göttingen 1649
Herkunftsort:

"Andreas Gebhardt, Pastor zu Wentheburg"

Wo liegt dieser Ort?

Vielen Dank aus Göttingen
Reinhard J. Göttingen


Re: [HN] Search for Daman

Date: 2002/12/29 12:25:08
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

The place could be Arenshorst, it is a part of the community Bohmte, Osnabrück county.

No Daman or Drifmeier, but Dahlmann and Dallmann.

Werner

> Hello

> I'm looking for more information about the ggg-mother and father of my
> daughter.
> Their names are  Johan Friedrich Daman and Clare elisabeh Drifmeier.
> They had at least 2 sons, Johan Heinrich, born 1799 in Arendshorst,
> Hannover and Johan Friedrich Wilhelm, born 18-10-1809 in Osnabruck.
> Who can help me?
> Groetjes olga

> http://members.chello.nl/~s.tencate/stamboom

> Altijd op zoek naar Knuist,Snijder,Kroeders,Dagelet,van der Bleek,Damstra
> ,van Rijn ,Stuifbergen,ten Cate, Daman, van Kempen en van Oosten

> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Researching PAPENBAUM

Date: 2002/12/29 13:59:20
From: Anthony D Thompson <altthom(a)bigpond.com>

Hi
 
I am researching the PAPENBAUM name from Hannover, the info I have is very limited, they are
Ernest Papenbaum wife Caroline b abt 1822 their children are Frederick b1852 Henry b 1856 Louise b 1845, all born in Hanover. Caroline parants are born in Hannover. They left Germany in 1857 for New York ,US.
This name is not common so I dont know how had it is to work on.

Any info is greatly received very much.

Many thanks in Advance
Regards
Lynelle Thompson
Qld Australia



[HN] Vorstellung

Date: 2002/12/29 16:55:53
From: Jens Hofstaedt <m-u.hofstaedt(a)worldonline.de>

Hallo Liste,

ich heiße Jens und 33 Jahre alt. Ich suche seit gut 6 jahren nach meinen Vorfahren und bin erst vor kurzem beigetreten. Ich suche Geschwister von meinem Urgroßvater Georg Albert Keitel, der in Hannover 1885 geboren wurde. Sein Vater war Bahnhofsarbeiter und katholischer Religion. Wer kann mir weiterhelfen.

Vielen Dank für Eure Hilfe und einen guten Rutsch.

Grüße aus Köln.

Jens


Re: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM

Date: 2002/12/29 18:01:03
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

There are only 3 Papenbaum addresses in Germany, all in Melle, Osnabrueck county, former Kingdom of Hannover.
You should write to them:

Papenbaum, Heiner  Phone: (05226) 1476
  Krukumer Str. 25
  49328 Melle

Papenbaum-Gehle, Hermann TischlerMstr.  (05422) 2974
  Wiedebrocksheide 38
  49324 Melle

Papenbaum Wilhelm Inh. Hermann Papenbaum TischlerMstr.  (05422) 2574
  Wiedebrocksheide 34
  49324 Melle

-----------------------------
> Hi

> I am researching the PAPENBAUM name from Hannover, the info I have is very
> limited, they are
> Ernest Papenbaum wife Caroline b abt 1822 their children are Frederick
> b1852 Henry b 1856 Louise b 1845, all born in Hanover. Caroline parants
> are born in Hannover. They left Germany in 1857 for New York ,US.
> This name is not common so I dont know how had it is to work on.

> Any info is greatly received very much.

> Many thanks in Advance
> Regards
> Lynelle Thompson
> Qld Australia


> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Vorstellung Jens

Date: 2002/12/29 19:39:32
From: Dennis Meier <desu99(a)web.de>

Herzlich willkommen bei uns Jens,

frohes schaffen und viel Erfolg.

Gruss Dennis
(FG Schaumburg-(Lippe)



hannover-l(a)genealogy.net schrieb am 29.12.02 16:56:21:
> Hallo Liste,
> 
> ich heiße Jens und 33 Jahre alt. Ich suche seit gut 6 jahren nach meinen Vorfahren und bin erst vor kurzem beigetreten. Ich suche Geschwister von meinem Urgroßvater Georg Albert Keitel, der in Hannover 1885 geboren wurde. Sein Vater war Bahnhofsarbeiter und katholischer Religion. Wer kann mir weiterhelfen.
> 
> Vielen Dank für Eure Hilfe und einen guten Rutsch.
> 
> Grüße aus Köln.
> 
> Jens
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


______________________________________________________________________________
Wer kennt nicht das Problem des unvollstandigen Adressbuches? Schluss
damit bei  - WEB.DE FreeMail - http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021133



Re: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM

Date: 2002/12/29 20:30:44
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

 Hello Lynelle, 
 
The Papenbaums are listed in the 1880 census in the U.S.  Also, if Melle is
the correct village for your ancestors, and if you have an LDS center near
you, you can  order the microfilms for Melle for the years 1808-1858.

Barbara






on 12/29/02 9:14 AM, Werner Honkomp at Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de wrote:

> There are only 3 Papenbaum addresses in Germany, all in Melle, Osnabrueck
> county, former Kingdom of Hannover.
> You should write to them:
> 
> Papenbaum, Heiner  Phone: (05226) 1476
> Krukumer Str. 25
> 49328 Melle
> 
> Papenbaum-Gehle, Hermann TischlerMstr.  (05422) 2974
> Wiedebrocksheide 38
> 49324 Melle
> 
> Papenbaum Wilhelm Inh. Hermann Papenbaum TischlerMstr.  (05422) 2574
> Wiedebrocksheide 34
> 49324 Melle
> 
> -----------------------------
>> Hi
> 
>> I am researching the PAPENBAUM name from Hannover, the info I have is very
>> limited, they are
>> Ernest Papenbaum wife Caroline b abt 1822 their children are Frederick
>> b1852 Henry b 1856 Louise b 1845, all born in Hanover. Caroline parants
>> are born in Hannover. They left Germany in 1857 for New York ,US.
>> This name is not common so I dont know how had it is to work on.
> 
>> Any info is greatly received very much.
> 
>> Many thanks in Advance
>> Regards
>> Lynelle Thompson
>> Qld Australia
> 
> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Wo liegt "WENTHEBURG (?)"

Date: 2002/12/29 22:50:08
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Reinhard,

I have Gebhardt ancestors. There are a 28 Gebhardt Families in St. Louis, Missouri USA on the 1870 census. More if spelled Gebhart. Many state that they originate from Hessen. There are many more on the 1880 census in St. Louis, Missouri which index is viewable for free at Familysearch.

My 2GGM name was Mary/Marie Gebhardt. She was born circa 1850 and immigrated to the U.S. in 1856 per the U.S. 1910 Missouri Census. I believe she had a brother William born circa <1858?> in Missouri.

I thought perhaps I had located her family on the 1870 census':
Father - John Gebhardt (age 54) b. Hesse Darmstadt circa 1826
Mother - Marie Hautz   (age 50) b. Prussia circa 1830
Chilren
- Mary (age 19) b. Missouri ?
- William (16)  b. Missouri
- Lizzie  (13)
- Louise  (11)
- Amelia  (9)
- Adam    (6)

Located the John (Gebheart) family in 1880 minus Mary and William, with a few more chidren :) and mother in law Eliza. Hautz b. Circa 1806 Prussia.

I suspect my Mary Gebhardt married about 1872. So of course she would not be enumerated with the family. Did find a marriage record of a Marie Gebhardt and Gerhard MeyerPeter April 1872. A civil record. Located a copy on microfilm and unfortunately no mention of a Pastor or Church :( Or address :(.

I located Mary Gebhardt-Meyer on the 1880 Federal Census Missouri.
Her husband was Listed as Henry Meyer, however he was later known as August Meyer. Family tradition states that the surname was originally MeyerPeter. It states Mary Gebhardt was born in Prussia and on this census she is listed as age 31. I am certain this is my Mary as the children, August, Lizzie and Matilda in the household were relayed to me by a cousin.

Unsure of what my 2GGF first name really was..lol. Gerhard? August? or Henry?. Perhaps all three.

I also located William Gebhart, born in Missouri on the 1880 Federal Census, with wife Charlotte/Charlotta and mother-in-law Elizabeth MeyerPeter. (In 1910 this William also lived on the same street as my grandmother lived prior to her marriage in 1935, could possibly even be the same house.)

So I had assumed likely Mary and William Gebhardt married siblings and that John and Marie were her parents. Seemed to fit, though the age listed for William was questionable, then I discovered there are 2 William Gebhardt's on the 1880 census. The other William's age is correct to the family of John Gebhardt and Marie Hautz and not to my family. So back to Square one..lol.

I do believe that my Mary Gebhardt did have a brother named William though due to his inlaw being named Eliza. MeyerPetter/MeyerPeter and later residing on the same street as my Grandmother (would be his great Niece), in 1935. Seems to coincidental not to be related.

I assume she was Lutheran or Evangelical as her obituary states that she was buried in "Lutheran" Cemetery.

However, her daughter Emma Meyer/Meyers (My GGM) was married in the Catholic Church.

Anyway I am stuck on this family :). I suppose looking for a 6 year old named Mary Gebhardt on an unindexed passenger list be pretty tough to find.

But I hope the information about the many Gebhardt's in St. Louis, Missouri will assist someone.

Regards,
Barbara

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lieber Reinhard,

Ich habe Gebhardt Vorfahren. Es gibt ein 28 Gebhardt Familien in St. Louis, Missouri USA auf der Zählung 1870. Mehr wenn buchstabiertes Gebhart. Viele geben an, daß sie von Hessen entstehen. Es gibt viel mehr auf der Zählung 1880 in St. Louis, Missouri, das Index für freies bei Familysearch viewable ist.

Mein 2GGM Name war Mary/Marie Gebhardt. Sie war geborenes circa 1850 und immigrated U.S.A. in 1856 pro die US. Missouri Zählung 1910. Ich glaube ihr hatte ein Bruder William getragenes circa < 1858? > in Missouri.

Ich dachte möglicherweise mich hatte lokalisiert ihre Familie auf der Zählung 1870 ':
Vater - John Gebhardt (Alter 54) b. Hesse Darmstadt circa 1826
Mutter - Marie Hautz (Alter 50) b. Prussia circa 1830

Kinder:
- Mary (Alter 19) b. Missouri?
- William (16) b. Missouri
- Lizzie (13)
- Louise (11)
- Amelia (9)
- Adam (6)
Lokalisierte die John (Gebheart) Familie in 1880 Minusmary und William, mit einigen chidren mehr:) und Mutter im Gesetz Eliza. Hautz b. Circa Prussia 1806.

Ich vermute meinen Mary Gebhardt verbunden über 1872. So selbstverständlich würde sie nicht mit der Familie aufgezählt.

Finden Sie eine Verbindung Aufzeichnung von einem Marie Gebhardt und Gerhard MeyerPeter April 1872. Eine Zivilaufzeichnung. Lokalisierte eine Kopie auf Mikrofilm und leider keine Erwähnung von ein Pastor nien Kirche. Nien Adresse:(.

Ich lokalisierte Mary Gebhardt-Meyer auf der 1880 Bundeszählung Missouri. Ihr Ehemann wurde als Henry Meyer verzeichnet, gleichwohl er bekannt als August Meyer späteres war. Familie Tradition gibt an, daß der Familienname ursprünglich MeyerPeter war. Sie gibt Mary an, den Gebhardt in Prussia getragen wurde und auf dieser Zählung wird sie als Alter 31 verzeichnet. Ich bin sicher, daß dieses mein Mary ist, wie die Kinder, der August, das Lizzie und das Matilda im Haushalt zu mir von einem Vetter neu gelegt wurden.

Unsicher von was mein 2GGF Vorname wirklich was..lol. Gerhard? August? oder Henry?.

Möglicherweise alle drei. Ich lokalisierte auch William Gebhart, getragen in Missouri auf der Bundeszählung 1880, mit Frau Charlotte/Charlotta und Schwiegermutter Elizabeth MeyerPeter. (1910 lebte dieser William auch auf der gleichen Straße, die meine Großmutter vor ihrer Verbindung 1935 lebte, vielleicht sogar sein könnte das gleiche Haus.)

So hatte ich wahrscheinlichen Mary angenommen und William Gebhardt heiratete Geschwister und dieser John und Marie waren ihre Eltern. Schien zu passen, obwohl das Alter, das für William verzeichnet wurde, fraglich war, dann entdeckte ich dort bin 2 William Gebhardts auf der Zählung 1880. Das anderen Alter des Williams ist zur Familie von John Gebhardt und Marie Hautz und nicht zu meiner Familie korrekt.

So zurück zu Quadrat one..lol. Ich glaube, daß mein Mary Gebhardt einen Bruder hatte, der zwar William wegen seines inlaw genannt wurde, das Eliza genannt wurde. MeyerPetter/MeyerPeter und auf der gleichen Straße wie meine Großmutter (seien Sie seine große Nichte), 1935 später liegen.

Scheint nicht bezogen zu werden übereinstimmendem. Ich nehme sie war Lutheran oder Evangelical an, wie ihr Nachruf angibt, daß sie "Lutheran" im Kirchhof begraben wurde.

Jedoch wurde ihre Tochter Emma Meyer/Meyers (mein GGM) in der katholischen Kirche verbunden. Sowieso werde ich auf dieser Familie: gehaftet).

Ich nehme das Suchen 6 Einjahres genannten von Mary Gebhardt auf unindexed Passagierliste bin recht haltbar zu finden an. Aber ich hoffe die Informationen über des viele Gebhardts in St. Louis, Missouri unterstütze jemand.

Respekt,
Barbara

Translated Babelfish...Hope it makes some sense.

Übersetztes Babelfish Hoffnung ist es Richtung.


-L(a)rootsweb.com>,"HESSE-L(a)rootsweb.com" <HESSE-L(a)rootsweb.com>,"Hessen-l(a)genealogy.net." <hessen-l(a)genealogy.net>
CC: "NIEDERSACHSENFAMNORD(a)genealogy.net" <FAMNORD(a)genealogy.net>,NIEDERSACHSEN/GENEALOGY <HANNOVER-L(a)genealogy.net>,NIEDERSACHSEN-L/ROOTSWEB <NIEDERSACHSEN-L(a)ROOTSWEB.com>
Subject: [HN] Wo liegt "WENTHEBURG (?)"
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:42:00 +0100 (CET)

Kirchenbuch Dankelshausen (Nähe Hann.-Münden) Kreis Göttingen 1649
Herkunftsort:

"Andreas Gebhardt, Pastor zu Wentheburg"

Wo liegt dieser Ort?

Vielen Dank aus Göttingen
Reinhard J. Göttingen

_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


_________________________________________________________________
Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf



[HN] Stemmler /Wiess /Heugele/ VanGels

Date: 2002/12/30 03:23:19
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

For those new on the list my German surnames I'm searching.
Curt Stemler born.1868  Mother Emilie Wiess / Hannover -  Immigrated to Ny 1886
1-Sister Lucy Werner Hart.    
 Fred Alexander Heugele b. abt. 1840
 Albert Henry VanGels 1902-1994  Parents: Fritz Van Gels
See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
** Nannette **
;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>


Re: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM

Date: 2002/12/31 08:11:27
From: Anthony D Thompson <altthom(a)bigpond.com>

Thank you for these names and address will get in touch with them asap.
Lynelle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Honkomp" <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM


There are only 3 Papenbaum addresses in Germany, all in Melle, Osnabrueck
county, former Kingdom of Hannover.
You should write to them:

Papenbaum, Heiner  Phone: (05226) 1476
  Krukumer Str. 25
  49328 Melle

Papenbaum-Gehle, Hermann TischlerMstr.  (05422) 2974
  Wiedebrocksheide 38
  49324 Melle

Papenbaum Wilhelm Inh. Hermann Papenbaum TischlerMstr.  (05422) 2574
  Wiedebrocksheide 34
  49324 Melle

-----------------------------
> Hi

> I am researching the PAPENBAUM name from Hannover, the info I have is very
> limited, they are
> Ernest Papenbaum wife Caroline b abt 1822 their children are Frederick
> b1852 Henry b 1856 Louise b 1845, all born in Hanover. Caroline parants
> are born in Hannover. They left Germany in 1857 for New York ,US.
> This name is not common so I dont know how had it is to work on.

> Any info is greatly received very much.

> Many thanks in Advance
> Regards
> Lynelle Thompson
> Qld Australia


> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


_______________________________________________
Hannover-L mailing list
Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM

Date: 2002/12/31 08:11:41
From: Anthony D Thompson <altthom(a)bigpond.com>

Hello Barbara
I did see the 1880 census on the net and was able to update.
Thank you
Lynelle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Stewart" <raymondg(a)attbi.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM


> Hello Lynelle,
>
> The Papenbaums are listed in the 1880 census in the U.S.  Also, if Melle
is
> the correct village for your ancestors, and if you have an LDS center near
> you, you can  order the microfilms for Melle for the years 1808-1858.
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
>
> on 12/29/02 9:14 AM, Werner Honkomp at Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de wrote:
>
> > There are only 3 Papenbaum addresses in Germany, all in Melle,
Osnabrueck
> > county, former Kingdom of Hannover.
> > You should write to them:
> >
> > Papenbaum, Heiner  Phone: (05226) 1476
> > Krukumer Str. 25
> > 49328 Melle
> >
> > Papenbaum-Gehle, Hermann TischlerMstr.  (05422) 2974
> > Wiedebrocksheide 38
> > 49324 Melle
> >
> > Papenbaum Wilhelm Inh. Hermann Papenbaum TischlerMstr.  (05422) 2574
> > Wiedebrocksheide 34
> > 49324 Melle
> >
> > -----------------------------
> >> Hi
> >
> >> I am researching the PAPENBAUM name from Hannover, the info I have is
very
> >> limited, they are
> >> Ernest Papenbaum wife Caroline b abt 1822 their children are Frederick
> >> b1852 Henry b 1856 Louise b 1845, all born in Hanover. Caroline parants
> >> are born in Hannover. They left Germany in 1857 for New York ,US.
> >> This name is not common so I dont know how had it is to work on.
> >
> >> Any info is greatly received very much.
> >
> >> Many thanks in Advance
> >> Regards
> >> Lynelle Thompson
> >> Qld Australia
> >
> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Hannover-L mailing list
> >> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Ortssuche

Date: 2002/12/31 17:13:02
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Hallo Forscherinnen und Forscher,
liebe Ingrid,

Gesucht werden die (vielleicht ehemals) deutschen Orte
OPKOVE,
VESERFANE,
WEISENFERN.

Vielen Dank für die Hilfe und einen guten Rutsch ins nächste Jahr.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Hans-Georg Boyken



[HN] Re:Researching PAPENBAUM

Date: 2002/12/31 20:33:19
From: Subscriptions <KySu(a)comcast.net>

Hello Lynelle;

My ancestor was Anne Marie Elisabeth Theiling, born Bohringhaus. Before she
married Casper Herm Theiling (my ancestor)in October 1766, she was married
to Johan Lucas PAPENBAUM. Their marriage was in June 1751 and Johan died in
1765. Anne Marie Elisabeth was Papenbaum's second wife. His first wife was
Catharina Clara Underall.

This Papenbaum couple lived 70 years before the people you are asking about
but my guess is that they are related somehow.  They lived on the Papenbaum
farm in Piepenbrink, Riemsloh which is very close (10 km?) to Melle, the
village that someone else mentioned in another reply to you. You can
probably find Riemsloh (east of Osnabruck) on a modern map but not
Piepenbrink.

The farm was inherited by the eldest daughter of the first marriage. This
daughter married Hermann Hinrich Caase, who according to the custom, adopted
the family (farm) name Papenbaum and became Herman Hinich Papenbaum, thus
continuing the family name.

If you think this may be your family and want some help trying to make the
connection, I can give you the name of a professional genealogist/historian
who specializes in this area of Germany. I would have never made any
progress with this branch of my family without his help. The history,
inheritance laws, religious situation, and living conditions of this time
period in this part of Germany are fascinating and very complicated --
making genealogical research a challenge.

Good Luck -- let me know how you do.
Hank Theiling
Charleston, South Carolina USA

> From: "Anthony D Thompson" <altthom(a)bigpond.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:57:18 +1000
> Subject: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM

> Hi
>
> I am researching the PAPENBAUM name from Hannover, the info I have is =
> very limited, they are
> Ernest Papenbaum wife Caroline b abt 1822 their children are Frederick =
> b1852 Henry b 1856 Louise b 1845, all born in Hanover. Caroline parants =
> are born in Hannover. They left Germany in 1857 for New York ,US.
> This name is not common so I dont know how had it is to work on.
>
> Any info is greatly received very much.
>
> Many thanks in Advance
> Regards
> Lynelle Thompson
> Qld Australia



Re: [HN] Re:Researching PAPENBAUM

Date: 2002/12/31 20:51:58
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Lynelle,
     That looks like a great lead you have there.  I do have a map which
shows Piepenbrink and I could scan it and send it to you, if you like.  I
would guess they could have gone to church in Melle--although the map shows
a church in either Piepenbrink or Riemsloh (they are so close together to
know for sure).  The LDS will have some Melle church records, but not the
other two villages, I don't  think.
Barbara

on 12/31/02 12:31 PM, Subscriptions at KySu(a)comcast.net wrote:

> Hello Lynelle;
> 
> My ancestor was Anne Marie Elisabeth Theiling, born Bohringhaus. Before she
> married Casper Herm Theiling (my ancestor)in October 1766, she was married
> to Johan Lucas PAPENBAUM. Their marriage was in June 1751 and Johan died in
> 1765. Anne Marie Elisabeth was Papenbaum's second wife. His first wife was
> Catharina Clara Underall.
> 
> This Papenbaum couple lived 70 years before the people you are asking about
> but my guess is that they are related somehow.  They lived on the Papenbaum
> farm in Piepenbrink, Riemsloh which is very close (10 km?) to Melle, the
> village that someone else mentioned in another reply to you. You can
> probably find Riemsloh (east of Osnabruck) on a modern map but not
> Piepenbrink.
> 
> The farm was inherited by the eldest daughter of the first marriage. This
> daughter married Hermann Hinrich Caase, who according to the custom, adopted
> the family (farm) name Papenbaum and became Herman Hinich Papenbaum, thus
> continuing the family name.
> 
> If you think this may be your family and want some help trying to make the
> connection, I can give you the name of a professional genealogist/historian
> who specializes in this area of Germany. I would have never made any
> progress with this branch of my family without his help. The history,
> inheritance laws, religious situation, and living conditions of this time
> period in this part of Germany are fascinating and very complicated --
> making genealogical research a challenge.
> 
> Good Luck -- let me know how you do.
> Hank Theiling
> Charleston, South Carolina USA
> 
>> From: "Anthony D Thompson" <altthom(a)bigpond.com>
>> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:57:18 +1000
>> Subject: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I am researching the PAPENBAUM name from Hannover, the info I have is =
>> very limited, they are
>> Ernest Papenbaum wife Caroline b abt 1822 their children are Frederick =
>> b1852 Henry b 1856 Louise b 1845, all born in Hanover. Caroline parants =
>> are born in Hannover. They left Germany in 1857 for New York ,US.
>> This name is not common so I dont know how had it is to work on.
>> 
>> Any info is greatly received very much.
>> 
>> Many thanks in Advance
>> Regards
>> Lynelle Thompson
>> Qld Australia
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



Re: [HN] Re:Researching PAPENBAUM

Date: 2002/12/31 22:31:52
From: Anthony D Thompson <altthom(a)bigpond.com>

    Barbara,
Thars sounds interesting, yes pls can you scan this map for me.
Lynelle

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Stewart" <raymondg(a)attbi.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Re:Researching PAPENBAUM


> Lynelle,
>      That looks like a great lead you have there.  I do have a map which
> shows Piepenbrink and I could scan it and send it to you, if you like.  I
> would guess they could have gone to church in Melle--although the map
shows
> a church in either Piepenbrink or Riemsloh (they are so close together to
> know for sure).  The LDS will have some Melle church records, but not the
> other two villages, I don't  think.
> Barbara
>
> on 12/31/02 12:31 PM, Subscriptions at KySu(a)comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Hello Lynelle;
> >
> > My ancestor was Anne Marie Elisabeth Theiling, born Bohringhaus. Before
she
> > married Casper Herm Theiling (my ancestor)in October 1766, she was
married
> > to Johan Lucas PAPENBAUM. Their marriage was in June 1751 and Johan died
in
> > 1765. Anne Marie Elisabeth was Papenbaum's second wife. His first wife
was
> > Catharina Clara Underall.
> >
> > This Papenbaum couple lived 70 years before the people you are asking
about
> > but my guess is that they are related somehow.  They lived on the
Papenbaum
> > farm in Piepenbrink, Riemsloh which is very close (10 km?) to Melle, the
> > village that someone else mentioned in another reply to you. You can
> > probably find Riemsloh (east of Osnabruck) on a modern map but not
> > Piepenbrink.
> >
> > The farm was inherited by the eldest daughter of the first marriage.
This
> > daughter married Hermann Hinrich Caase, who according to the custom,
adopted
> > the family (farm) name Papenbaum and became Herman Hinich Papenbaum,
thus
> > continuing the family name.
> >
> > If you think this may be your family and want some help trying to make
the
> > connection, I can give you the name of a professional
genealogist/historian
> > who specializes in this area of Germany. I would have never made any
> > progress with this branch of my family without his help. The history,
> > inheritance laws, religious situation, and living conditions of this
time
> > period in this part of Germany are fascinating and very complicated --
> > making genealogical research a challenge.
> >
> > Good Luck -- let me know how you do.
> > Hank Theiling
> > Charleston, South Carolina USA
> >
> >> From: "Anthony D Thompson" <altthom(a)bigpond.com>
> >> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:57:18 +1000
> >> Subject: [HN] Researching PAPENBAUM
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I am researching the PAPENBAUM name from Hannover, the info I have is =
> >> very limited, they are
> >> Ernest Papenbaum wife Caroline b abt 1822 their children are Frederick
=
> >> b1852 Henry b 1856 Louise b 1845, all born in Hanover. Caroline parants
=
> >> are born in Hannover. They left Germany in 1857 for New York ,US.
> >> This name is not common so I dont know how had it is to work on.
> >>
> >> Any info is greatly received very much.
> >>
> >> Many thanks in Advance
> >> Regards
> >> Lynelle Thompson
> >> Qld Australia
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l



[HN] Catholic records

Date: 2002/12/31 23:19:17
From: jean(a)minesurfer <jean(a)minesurfer.com>

Hi List: Can anyone tell me where I can find Catholic Church records for Hannover c. 1798-1850
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Thanks 
Jean Horl