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[HN] Wilman/Willmann Family From Rheda

Date: 2002/11/02 18:22:20
From: JAMES0319 <JAMES0319(a)aol.com>

   We are  seeking descendants and information on any of the following:
   (We are particularly interested in those with * asterisks in front of the 
name.)

1. *Arendt/Arndt Henrich Wilmans
      born 5 July 1711 Rheda,Westphalia
      married ca 1740  in Rheda to Anna Mechel Schmit/Schmidts

2.  *Matthias Wilmans/ Willmann (his son)
        christened 30 January 1746 Rheda, Westphalia
        married 2 February 1776 in Rheda to Maria Elisabeth Peters
         6 children:
        1. Margareth(a) Elisabeth Wilmans born 1776 in Rheda, married in 
Rheda
            1804 Friedrich Wilhelm Gloewing

        2. Johann Henrich Wilman born 1778 in Rheda married in Rheda 1805 
Amalia 
            Norman

        3. Friedrich Wilhelm Wilman born 1780 in Rheda married in Rheda  
Maria Kampmann

       *4. (grandson)
             Ernst Ludwig (Bernhard) Wilman, later known as Louis Wilman and 
Louis
            Wilman de Manzius , a textile dyer,born in Rheda in 1783, married 
in 
            (New York or New Jersey) circa 823/4 to 
           * Eliza Parker, born 1805 .She was last found in Philadelphia in 
1886.
             Ernst died in Connecticut in 1863.
            9 children:
            *1. Hannah Wilman  born circa 1834 probably Rahway, N.J. She was 
last
                 in Philadelphia in 1860 and probably married or died after 
that.

            *2.  Mary Wilman born circa 1832 probably in New York.She was 
last found 
                  in Philadelphia in 1870 and probably married or died.

            *3.  George Wilman born circa 1830/1853 Dutchess Co.,N.Y. or 
elsewhere.
                   He was last found in Philadelphia in 1871 or 1887. 

            *4.  Henry/Harry Wilman born circa 1843 in Va(now WVa) He was 
last found
                  in Philadelphia in 1871.
) 


            *5 & 6.Two unnamed,sex unknown Wilmans, born and died by 
1846.They   
                  werementioned in legal documents in 1846. They were born 
and
                  died by 1846.(These are included in case any reader has 
information.)
            
             7,8 and 9. Bernard (my ancestor), 1st Lt. Adolph and Louis 
Charles. We 
              have a lot of information that could be shared on these three 
sons of Ernst.
  

       5.  Maria Wilhelmine Wilman born 1788 in Rheda, Westphalia.

       6. Philippine Henriette Wilman  born 1785 in Rheda, Westphalia.

        Thanks for any help that you can provide. Jim Wilman


Re: [HN] Wilman/Willmann Family From Rheda

Date: 2002/11/02 20:05:01
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Jim,

Have you tried the LDS (Mormon) records?  They have the microfilm records
for Rheda from 1703 for the Catholic church and from 1622 for the
Protestants. You can go to your  nearest LDS library and  order the  film.
Barbara

on 11/2/02 10:22 AM, JAMES0319(a)aol.com at JAMES0319(a)aol.com wrote:

> We are  seeking descendants and information on any of the following:
> (We are particularly interested in those with * asterisks in front of the
> name.)
> 
> 1. *Arendt/Arndt Henrich Wilmans
> born 5 July 1711 Rheda,Westphalia
> married ca 1740  in Rheda to Anna Mechel Schmit/Schmidts
> 
> 2.  *Matthias Wilmans/ Willmann (his son)
> christened 30 January 1746 Rheda, Westphalia
> married 2 February 1776 in Rheda to Maria Elisabeth Peters
> 6 children:
> 1. Margareth(a) Elisabeth Wilmans born 1776 in Rheda, married in
> Rheda
> 1804 Friedrich Wilhelm Gloewing
> 
> 2. Johann Henrich Wilman born 1778 in Rheda married in Rheda 1805
> Amalia 
> Norman
> 
> 3. Friedrich Wilhelm Wilman born 1780 in Rheda married in Rheda
> Maria Kampmann
> 
> *4. (grandson)
> Ernst Ludwig (Bernhard) Wilman, later known as Louis Wilman and
> Louis
> Wilman de Manzius , a textile dyer,born in Rheda in 1783, married
> in 
> (New York or New Jersey) circa 823/4 to
> * Eliza Parker, born 1805 .She was last found in Philadelphia in
> 1886.
> Ernst died in Connecticut in 1863.
> 9 children:
> *1. Hannah Wilman  born circa 1834 probably Rahway, N.J. She was
> last
> in Philadelphia in 1860 and probably married or died after
> that.
> 
> *2.  Mary Wilman born circa 1832 probably in New York.She was
> last found 
> in Philadelphia in 1870 and probably married or died.
> 
> *3.  George Wilman born circa 1830/1853 Dutchess Co.,N.Y. or
> elsewhere.
> He was last found in Philadelphia in 1871 or 1887.
> 
> *4.  Henry/Harry Wilman born circa 1843 in Va(now WVa) He was
> last found
> in Philadelphia in 1871.
> ) 
> 
> 
> *5 & 6.Two unnamed,sex unknown Wilmans, born and died by
> 1846.They   
> werementioned in legal documents in 1846. They were born
> and
> died by 1846.(These are included in case any reader has
> information.)
> 
> 7,8 and 9. Bernard (my ancestor), 1st Lt. Adolph and Louis
> Charles. We 
> have a lot of information that could be shared on these three
> sons of Ernst.
> 
> 
> 5.  Maria Wilhelmine Wilman born 1788 in Rheda, Westphalia.
> 
> 6. Philippine Henriette Wilman  born 1785 in Rheda, Westphalia.
> 
> Thanks for any help that you can provide. Jim Wilman
> 
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[HN] Hannover DeWitt's

Date: 2002/11/03 10:37:19
From: Tui Scott <aotea(a)maxnet.co.nz>

While looking for my military ancestors I found 4 DeWitts,all officers in" The Kings Own German Legion" a British army unit who fought at Waterloo.Is there anyone who know of this family or who could point me to where to look for census (early to mid 1800's),  election rolls.or any other material that would lead me to this family.The officers all had several first names which makes me think that they were upper middle class people. I have a picture of one of them, and he looks like a country gentleman. I look forward to all replies. signed TuiS (NZ)


[HN] UHLENKAMP Surname

Date: 2002/11/04 16:55:47
From: John Best <jebest(a)flash.net>

I am seeking information on Conrad Uhlenkamp, his wife Henrietta Wilhelmina
and his brother Martinus Uhlenkamp.  The 1880 U.S. census indicated that
they were all from Hannover.  They landed in New York on May 28, 1849 on the
ship Argyle from Leer.  He was born April 25, 1824. His brother was born in
1819.  His wife's maiden name was possibly FAYERS.  She was born September
18, 1829.

Any information would be appreciated.



[HN] Help

Date: 2002/11/09 01:33:54
From: Fred Layman <sgo(a)adweb.net>

It has been awhile since I last posted so her goes.


I am researching the history of my gg grandfather Frederick H Layman of
Hannover, Germany.

FREDERICK H LAYMAN was born on or around February 16, 1830 in Hannover,
Germany and on or about 1857. When he was around the age of 27 he immigrated
to the United States. It is believed his first stop was around Posey County,
Indiana and then later settled near Benton, Illinois in Franklin County
after a short time in or around Carmi, Illinois.

Said by some:
 Spelling of our last name was Americanized (Lehmann, von Lehmann or?).
 Frederick immigrated to this country (USA) with a brother (name unknown).
 His father may have served as a high-ranking officer in the Prussian Army
or possibly a warden at a local prison.
 His father's name may also have been Frederick.
 Some say he may have worked on a ship for his passage.
 His father may have sent him to the USA to keep him out of the military.
 It is likely he may have taken an indirect rout via England and then onto
the United States.

Very little is known of Frederick before his military service in the Civil
War. We have been unable to locate his port of entry, immigration or
naturalization records, and /or any kind of citizenship records. We were
told that an application for citizenship was not needed if one served in the
military, so I may be looking at a dead end. The information we do have is
all based on stories and the information obtained from his Civil War
military records. All I can find is that he was from Hannover, Germany. We
have also located him on the 1870 & 1880 Illinois Fed. Census.


Frederick H Layman enlisted in Company "H" 48th Regiment Volunteers Infantry
from White County, IL. on September 10, 1861 at Camp Butler Illinois (Union
Army) under the command of General Asher Goslen. At the time of his
enlistment he lived near or in Carmi, Illinois (White County) and was 32
years old.  He was wounded in the right arm between the elbow and the
shoulder in the battle of Shiloh and saw action at FT. Henry, Ft Donnellson,
Siege of Vicksburg, and lookout Mt. He developed chronic diarrhea and was
discharged from the service for disability at the rank of corporal. After he
was discharged from the military in 1862 he married his first wife (1) Mary
Charlotte Younginger Abt. 1863 in Poseyville, Indiana. They had two
children, Charles Louis Layman born in 1864 and John (?) Layman. After
Mary's death he married (2) Sarah J. Simpson October 15, 1868 in White
County, Illinois. They had no children. Upon the death of Sarah he married
his third wife (3) Mary Downen
on October 01, 1871 in Posey County, Indiana.  They had four children named
Archibald Frank Layman, born in 1873, Christopher D Layman, Rachel P.
Layman, born 1881, and Caroline E. Layman, born 1884. An Orphan by the name
of Mary Ormsby born in 1873 is listed as living with them (1870 Federal
Census). We have located a Joan Ausnow who is the great granddaughter of
Nancy Omsby Fisher (Posey County, IN) who is the sister of Mary. She also
had a bother William and they were the children of John Omsby( b 1846 in
Phillipstown, White County, Ill) and Martha Utley.  Both died in Posey
County.

Frederick H Layman passed away in 1886 due to complications attributed to
his gunshot wound in the arm. Fred was buried at Knob Prairie Cemetery in
Franklin County,
IL.

Mary Charlotte Younginger (unable to find much information) was born around
1844. Her father was Charles Younginger, and as far as we can gather the
Younginger family emigrated from Germany. Charles owned and operated a
grocery store in Poseyvillie, IN., and may have also worked as a Cooper
(someone who makes wooden barrels or tubs). Nothing is known about her
mother except her name, which was Elizabeth Knight. We do know that she had
at lest one sister who was named Margaret Younginger. It is believed that
Charlotte died during childbirth at the young age of 24. We have located
them on the 1850 Indiana Federal Census.

Children
(`1) Charles Louis Layman married Georgia Ida Puckett and moved to the
Yakima, Washington area around 1900.
 (2) John (?) Layman died in infancy

Sarah J. Simpson was born in Arkansas in 1830 and was the 2nd wife of Thomas
Henry Sumpter who was a veteran of the 29th Regiment of Illinois Volunteers
and fought along side Fred H Layman at the Battle of Shiloh and was also
wounded. They were married on January 17, 1867. It was only 14 days later
that Thomas Sumpter died of medical complications from injuries received in
the war. Sarah married Frederick H Layman on Oct 15, 1868 and passed away in
1871.

No Children

Mary Downen was born in Posey County, IN, and was the daughter of David R
Downen and Mary J South. Mary lived on a farm in Posey County, IN., until
1851 when she and her family moved to White County, Illinois and settled on
the present family farm on section 31, Burent Prairie Township. Mary Downen
came from a family of 11 children including herself. On Sept. 4, 1909 at the
age of 63, 23 years after the death of her husband Fred, the Illinois
Christian Conference licensed Mary to preach the gospel. Mary Downen Layman
passed away on Jan. 2, 1932 and was laid to rest next to her beloved husband
Fred at Knob Prairie Cemetery.

Children
(1) Archibald Frank Layman married Minnie McKee
(2) Christopher D Layman died in infancy
(3) Rachel Pressy Layman married Charles E Downs
(4) Caroline E Layman married Charles Haley


Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Fred H Layman
sgo(a)adweb.net

Fred Layman
sgo(a)adweb.net





Re: [HN] Help

Date: 2002/11/09 04:37:32
From: Maureen Shelly <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>

Couple things.  The name may also have been Johann Frederick on Baptismal records, as everyone in our family began with Johann in those days. Second, I've been told that German ports had ships that went only to other European ports.  In those days, people went to England first to get on the big sailing ships that could cross the Atlantic.  Germany didn't get into transatlantic shipping until steamships came on the scene, I have heard.  That is why, for instance, the German shipping lines "New York" docks were actually in New Jersey, on the other side of the harbor --- the Dutch and English had filled the New York side before the Germans got into the business.

----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Layman
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 7:15 PM
To: HANNOVER ROOTS
Subject: [HN] Help

It has been awhile since I last posted so her goes.


I am researching the history of my gg grandfather Frederick H Layman of
Hannover, Germany.

FREDERICK H LAYMAN was born on or around February 16, 1830 in Hannover,
Germany and on or about 1857. When he was around the age of 27 he immigrated
to the United States. It is believed his first stop was around Posey County,
Indiana and then later settled near Benton, Illinois in Franklin County
after a short time in or around Carmi, Illinois.

Said by some:
Spelling of our last name was Americanized (Lehmann, von Lehmann or?).
Frederick immigrated to this country (USA) with a brother (name unknown).
His father may have served as a high-ranking officer in the Prussian Army
or possibly a warden at a local prison.
His father's name may also have been Frederick.
Some say he may have worked on a ship for his passage.
His father may have sent him to the USA to keep him out of the military.
It is likely he may have taken an indirect rout via England and then onto
the United States.

Very little is known of Frederick before his military service in the Civil
War. We have been unable to locate his port of entry, immigration or
naturalization records, and /or any kind of citizenship records. We were
told that an application for citizenship was not needed if one served in the
military, so I may be looking at a dead end. The information we do have is
all based on stories and the information obtained from his Civil War
military records. All I can find is that he was from Hannover, Germany. We
have also located him on the 1870 & 1880 Illinois Fed. Census.


Frederick H Layman enlisted in Company "H" 48th Regiment Volunteers Infantry
from White County, IL. on September 10, 1861 at Camp Butler Illinois (Union
Army) under the command of General Asher Goslen. At the time of his
enlistment he lived near or in Carmi, Illinois (White County) and was 32
years old.  He was wounded in the right arm between the elbow and the
shoulder in the battle of Shiloh and saw action at FT. Henry, Ft Donnellson,
Siege of Vicksburg, and lookout Mt. He developed chronic diarrhea and was
discharged from the service for disability at the rank of corporal. After he
was discharged from the military in 1862 he married his first wife (1) Mary
Charlotte Younginger Abt. 1863 in Poseyville, Indiana. They had two
children, Charles Louis Layman born in 1864 and John (?) Layman. After
Mary's death he married (2) Sarah J. Simpson October 15, 1868 in White
County, Illinois. They had no children. Upon the death of Sarah he married
his third wife (3) Mary Downen
on October 01, 1871 in Posey County, Indiana.  They had four children named
Archibald Frank Layman, born in 1873, Christopher D Layman, Rachel P.
Layman, born 1881, and Caroline E. Layman, born 1884. An Orphan by the name
of Mary Ormsby born in 1873 is listed as living with them (1870 Federal
Census). We have located a Joan Ausnow who is the great granddaughter of
Nancy Omsby Fisher (Posey County, IN) who is the sister of Mary. She also
had a bother William and they were the children of John Omsby( b 1846 in
Phillipstown, White County, Ill) and Martha Utley.  Both died in Posey
County.

Frederick H Layman passed away in 1886 due to complications attributed to
his gunshot wound in the arm. Fred was buried at Knob Prairie Cemetery in
Franklin County,
IL.

Mary Charlotte Younginger (unable to find much information) was born around
1844. Her father was Charles Younginger, and as far as we can gather the
Younginger family emigrated from Germany. Charles owned and operated a
grocery store in Poseyvillie, IN., and may have also worked as a Cooper
(someone who makes wooden barrels or tubs). Nothing is known about her
mother except her name, which was Elizabeth Knight. We do know that she had
at lest one sister who was named Margaret Younginger. It is believed that
Charlotte died during childbirth at the young age of 24. We have located
them on the 1850 Indiana Federal Census.

Children
(`1) Charles Louis Layman married Georgia Ida Puckett and moved to the
Yakima, Washington area around 1900.
(2) John (?) Layman died in infancy

Sarah J. Simpson was born in Arkansas in 1830 and was the 2nd wife of Thomas
Henry Sumpter who was a veteran of the 29th Regiment of Illinois Volunteers
and fought along side Fred H Layman at the Battle of Shiloh and was also
wounded. They were married on January 17, 1867. It was only 14 days later
that Thomas Sumpter died of medical complications from injuries received in
the war. Sarah married Frederick H Layman on Oct 15, 1868 and passed away in
1871.

No Children

Mary Downen was born in Posey County, IN, and was the daughter of David R
Downen and Mary J South. Mary lived on a farm in Posey County, IN., until
1851 when she and her family moved to White County, Illinois and settled on
the present family farm on section 31, Burent Prairie Township. Mary Downen
came from a family of 11 children including herself. On Sept. 4, 1909 at the
age of 63, 23 years after the death of her husband Fred, the Illinois
Christian Conference licensed Mary to preach the gospel. Mary Downen Layman
passed away on Jan. 2, 1932 and was laid to rest next to her beloved husband
Fred at Knob Prairie Cemetery.

Children
(1) Archibald Frank Layman married Minnie McKee
(2) Christopher D Layman died in infancy
(3) Rachel Pressy Layman married Charles E Downs
(4) Caroline E Layman married Charles Haley


Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Fred H Layman
sgo(a)adweb.net

Fred Layman
sgo(a)adweb.net




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[HN] German Passenger Ships leaving Bremen and Hamburg, 1857

Date: 2002/11/09 14:56:56
From: Robert Block <r.block(a)cox.net>

This is in aid of the posting about Fred Layman.

in 1857 my GGgrandfather Johann Bonnen Block came to America on the
Bremen registered Ship "D. H. Waetjen", Bremen to New Orleans, went up
to Pekin, Illinois and wound up in the Union Army. He is listed in GTA
(Germans to America). He said he was from Hannover, but that was an
umbrella term at the time, so that everyone from the Kingdom of Hannover
said the same thing. There were a lot of ships departing German ports
directly for USA. This is a GTA lookup! Some passengers have a code that
gives the exact city of origin following their name in GTA (but most
have only a general location). Its worth a look. I tried to extend the
idea of our man's origin by looking at the passengers that were listed
with him. Did not help, though.

While all of his military papers (discharge promotion etc.) say that he
was born in Weidenhaus, we have never found out what that meant.

However, One paper, the mustering out paper, has a column for
birthplace. There, he answered something different, "Osta". Of course,
you can't find anything that corresponds to that either. But, that
turned out to be close to the correct answer, Ostdorf. (The correct
answer appeared in an obituary in a German Language newspaper published
in Iowa on the death of his brother)

I suggest that you write to NARA on the appropriate form (multipart) and
get his military record. In my case this was not very interesting except
for this mustering out record, but you never know what you'll get.

If you get his place of birth in Hannover, you are on the way. Then you
can ask for help and maybe get a look at the 1852 Hannover Census
records (if his place of origin isn't too big, as they are not indexed)
and the parish records.

And, the list person that was indicating name reversal is right on.
Another of our kin, one Karl Louis Willi BACKHAUS became and was always
known as Willi BACKHAUS. And his sisters were know to a one by the third
name on their baptism certificates. The last name (third one in our
cases) in their lineup, was the name they went by. So, who knows his
other names. I would have thought you might have some luck in that
matter from the military records. Did he leave a widow who applied for
pension on his death? Get those records.

Do order his pension records. We found out nothing about out man there,
but in that some 7# of paper, we sure learned a lot about the widow
who's cemetery record and obituary were wrong by naming her as the child
of her uncle (Both her father and here uncle named daughters of similiar
age the exact the same name). (But, the issue in the pension record was
whether she was trying to collect a double pension, as she was a Civil
War widow when she married our ancestor, and was alledged not have been
divorced.)  Maybe your records would be better.

Our researches are just about finished, but we
wish you the Best of Luck. 

Robert Block


[HN] (no subject)

Date: 2002/11/09 19:56:27
From: Fred Layman <sgo(a)adweb.net>

I wish to thank everyone who as responded to my posting about Frederick
Layman.

THANK YOU for your suggestions
Fred Layman
sgo(a)adweb.net





[HN] Curt Stemler (Stemmler)

Date: 2002/11/09 21:43:53
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

Im trying to locate more info. on my Grt.Gf. Curt Stemler  
D.o.B. 8-14-1868 - 1928   Mother: Emilie Wiess   Father :? Charles Armin Stemler
(parents never married)
Any suggestions welcome and appreciated. This is what I have and would like to find birth, passport info. Arrived Ny.U.S.A.  
Aug.30, 1884  Ship: Westphalia  From: Hamburg & Harve to America
Manifest ID 37856  Last Residence :Magdeburg in Prussia  
Return Visit to Germany June 1911  on Grosser Kurfurst  Port Departure Bremen  
Need any input on how,where, to locate Germany records if avail.
Thank You.
Nannette

See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
** Nannette **
;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>


[HN] Zufallsfunde

Date: 2002/11/10 14:57:35
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>

Hallo, 
ich durchsuche gerade den Film: 1800717
Stadtarchiv Hannover: Kirchennebenbuecher 1865-1874
nach VAHLBRUCH / FAHLBRUCH und merke, dass ich gut nebenbei
5 bis 6 weitere NAMEN mitsuchen koennte. 

Wer gezielt in Hannover (Stadt) sucht kann mir NachNAMEN nennen,
die ich mit beobachte bei der Suche.
Klaus Vahlbruch 
Deizisau bei Stuttgart
*************************************************************

Ich habe gefunden: [Jahr-Pag-Nr]

-->[1868-097-09d.] Nebenbuch
FRIEDERICI, Johanne Christiane Luise, genannt BLIEDUNG
*07.10.1838 in St. Andreasberg
    Mutter: FRIDIRICI, Henrietta Josephine (unverehelicht)
(oo)25.02.1868 in der Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
BEHRENS, Hermann August Wilhelm
*17.04.1844 in Hildesheim
    angegebener Wohnort: Hannover
*************************************************************

-->[1869-127-23c.] Nebenbuch
BRAKEBUSCH, Johann Friedrich Ludwig
*22.03.1835 in Petze (?)
    Vater:  Weber .... Christian BRAKEBUSCH
    Mutter: Johanna Marie geb. OELKER
(oo)11.04.1869 in der Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
SPOERER, Johanne Wilhelmine ...
*24.09.1842 in Salzderhelden
    angegebener Wohnort: Hannover
*************************************************************

-->[1874-332-125b.] Nebenbuch
FRIDIRICI, Paul Richard Kunibert
*25.06.1838 in (unleserlich)
    Vater:  Ernst Julius FRIDIRICI
    Mutter: Pauline Hermine Eusebia geb. PAUL
(oo)31.05. + 07.06.1874 in Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
PAULI, Hedwig Auguste ... Rudolfine
*30.01.1842 zu Billendorf
    Vater:  Friedrich August PAULI
    Mutter: Wil... Luise geb. REICHENBACH
*************************************************************

Nach beiden Namen BRAKEBUSCH und FRIDIRICI wurde in der
Vergangenheit in deieser [HN]-Liste schon gefragt.


Re: [HN] Zufallsfunde

Date: 2002/11/10 15:23:37
From: BrigitteJahnke <BrigitteJahnke(a)aol.com>

Hallo Herr Vahlbruch,

herzlichen Dank für das tolle Angebot.

Ich würde mich freuen, wenn Sie mich benachrichtigen könnten falls Ihnen ein 
Mitglied der Familie 

(von) Beverförde(n)

begegnet.

Herzlichen Dank im Voraus!

Brigitte Jahnke
Tecklenburg


[HN] Village of Grossalmerdo

Date: 2002/11/10 17:13:18
From: GeorgeGcon <GeorgeGcon(a)aol.com>

Grandfather Louis Georg Conrad Stocker's Certificate for Naturalization (in 
1907) indicates that his two minor children were living in the village of 
Grossalmerdo.  The spelling may not be exact since I can't find it in any 
online search site.  The only clues I can offer are that-1) The children were 
living with Louis' sister and that her husband was a Forrester. 2) The 
village may be near Frankfurt Am-Main and from pictures we have, (ca 1907-08) 
appears to be in a remote location.  Although the village name was written as 
one word on the certificate could it be two words?  Grandfather was born in 
Wunsdorf, Hannover so I suppose that area cannot be ignored.

Thanks for any help,

George   


Re: [HN] Village of Grossalmerdo

Date: 2002/11/10 17:34:40
From: Erbensucher <Erbensucher(a)aol.com>

Hello George,

the town where You are looking for can be Grossalmerode near Kassel in 
Hessen. It belongs to the district Werra-Meissner-Kreis. It is in the 
Northeast of Hessen. The town Wunsdorf near Hannover is written Wunstorf. 

I hope this informations will help You.

Best wishes from Hannover, Germany

Gunter Juechter


Re: [HN] Village of Grossalmerdo

Date: 2002/11/10 17:36:22
From: Gloepertz <Gloepertz(a)aol.com>

George
The community of Grossalmerode is located about 25-30km east of Kassel, about 
10km west of Bad Sooden. There are plenty of woods to be a forester.
Wunstorf, not Wunsdorf, is located 15km west of the city of Hannover, a nice 
place, used to go swimming in the public pool there.
Guenter in Michigan


Re: [HN] Zufallsfunde

Date: 2002/11/10 20:55:01
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

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>From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>
>To: "[HN] Hannover-Liste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: [HN] Zufallsfunde
>Date: Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 7:56 AM
>

> Hallo,
> ich durchsuche gerade den Film: 1800717
> Stadtarchiv Hannover: Kirchennebenbuecher 1865-1874
> nach VAHLBRUCH / FAHLBRUCH und merke, dass ich gut nebenbei
> 5 bis 6 weitere NAMEN mitsuchen koennte.
>
> Wer gezielt in Hannover (Stadt) sucht kann mir NachNAMEN nennen,
> die ich mit beobachte bei der Suche.
> Klaus Vahlbruch
> Deizisau bei Stuttgart
> *************************************************************
>
> Ich habe gefunden: [Jahr-Pag-Nr]
>
> -->[1868-097-09d.] Nebenbuch
> FRIEDERICI, Johanne Christiane Luise, genannt BLIEDUNG
> *07.10.1838 in St. Andreasberg
>     Mutter: FRIDIRICI, Henrietta Josephine (unverehelicht)
> (oo)25.02.1868 in der Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> BEHRENS, Hermann August Wilhelm
> *17.04.1844 in Hildesheim
>     angegebener Wohnort: Hannover
> *************************************************************
>
> -->[1869-127-23c.] Nebenbuch
> BRAKEBUSCH, Johann Friedrich Ludwig
> *22.03.1835 in Petze (?)
>     Vater:  Weber .... Christian BRAKEBUSCH
>     Mutter: Johanna Marie geb. OELKER
> (oo)11.04.1869 in der Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> SPOERER, Johanne Wilhelmine ...
> *24.09.1842 in Salzderhelden
>     angegebener Wohnort: Hannover
> *************************************************************
>
> -->[1874-332-125b.] Nebenbuch
> FRIDIRICI, Paul Richard Kunibert
> *25.06.1838 in (unleserlich)
>     Vater:  Ernst Julius FRIDIRICI
>     Mutter: Pauline Hermine Eusebia geb. PAUL
> (oo)31.05. + 07.06.1874 in Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> PAULI, Hedwig Auguste ... Rudolfine
> *30.01.1842 zu Billendorf
>     Vater:  Friedrich August PAULI
>     Mutter: Wil... Luise geb. REICHENBACH
> *************************************************************
>
> Nach beiden Namen BRAKEBUSCH und FRIDIRICI wurde in der
> Vergangenheit in deieser [HN]-Liste schon gefragt.
>
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Is there a village near Hannover by the name of Oldendorf?  It may be that
my ancestors )Grassmann) came from that village.  Thank you.  Edward Meyer


Re: [HN] Zufallsfunde

Date: 2002/11/10 21:00:40
From: The Prough's <dprough(a)mail.win.org>

Okay why did you send me this?  Yvonne

At 01:55 PM 11/10/2002, you wrote:


----------
>From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>
>To: "[HN] Hannover-Liste" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: [HN] Zufallsfunde
>Date: Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 7:56 AM
>

> Hallo,
> ich durchsuche gerade den Film: 1800717
> Stadtarchiv Hannover: Kirchennebenbuecher 1865-1874
> nach VAHLBRUCH / FAHLBRUCH und merke, dass ich gut nebenbei
> 5 bis 6 weitere NAMEN mitsuchen koennte.
>
> Wer gezielt in Hannover (Stadt) sucht kann mir NachNAMEN nennen,
> die ich mit beobachte bei der Suche.
> Klaus Vahlbruch
> Deizisau bei Stuttgart
> *************************************************************
>
> Ich habe gefunden: [Jahr-Pag-Nr]
>
> -->[1868-097-09d.] Nebenbuch
> FRIEDERICI, Johanne Christiane Luise, genannt BLIEDUNG
> *07.10.1838 in St. Andreasberg
>     Mutter: FRIDIRICI, Henrietta Josephine (unverehelicht)
> (oo)25.02.1868 in der Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> BEHRENS, Hermann August Wilhelm
> *17.04.1844 in Hildesheim
>     angegebener Wohnort: Hannover
> *************************************************************
>
> -->[1869-127-23c.] Nebenbuch
> BRAKEBUSCH, Johann Friedrich Ludwig
> *22.03.1835 in Petze (?)
>     Vater:  Weber .... Christian BRAKEBUSCH
>     Mutter: Johanna Marie geb. OELKER
> (oo)11.04.1869 in der Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> SPOERER, Johanne Wilhelmine ...
> *24.09.1842 in Salzderhelden
>     angegebener Wohnort: Hannover
> *************************************************************
>
> -->[1874-332-125b.] Nebenbuch
> FRIDIRICI, Paul Richard Kunibert
> *25.06.1838 in (unleserlich)
>     Vater:  Ernst Julius FRIDIRICI
>     Mutter: Pauline Hermine Eusebia geb. PAUL
> (oo)31.05. + 07.06.1874 in Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> PAULI, Hedwig Auguste ... Rudolfine
> *30.01.1842 zu Billendorf
>     Vater:  Friedrich August PAULI
>     Mutter: Wil... Luise geb. REICHENBACH
> *************************************************************
>
> Nach beiden Namen BRAKEBUSCH und FRIDIRICI wurde in der
> Vergangenheit in deieser [HN]-Liste schon gefragt.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l

Is there a village near Hannover by the name of Oldendorf?  It may be that
my ancestors )Grassmann) came from that village.  Thank you.  Edward Meyer

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Re: [HN] Zufallsfunde

Date: 2002/11/10 21:16:41
From: Werner Kaschta <werner.kaschta(a)nwn.de>

Hallo Klaus,

ich nehme Dein Angebot an. Ich suche gezielt in Hannover nach JORDAN und
KEHLHOFER (in der von Dir genannten Zeit). Ganz nebenbei taucht die Frage
auf. Sollte es gesonderte Bücher für Amtspersonen gegeben haben? Suche nach
einem Standesbeamten JORDAN (Hannover), allerdings aus den 1930 Jahren.

Gruss

Werner (Kaschta)

----- Original Message -----
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>
To: [HN] Hannover-Liste <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:56 PM
Subject: [HN] Zufallsfunde


> Hallo,
> ich durchsuche gerade den Film: 1800717
> Stadtarchiv Hannover: Kirchennebenbuecher 1865-1874
> nach VAHLBRUCH / FAHLBRUCH und merke, dass ich gut nebenbei
> 5 bis 6 weitere NAMEN mitsuchen koennte.
>
> Wer gezielt in Hannover (Stadt) sucht kann mir NachNAMEN nennen,
> die ich mit beobachte bei der Suche.
> Klaus Vahlbruch
> Deizisau bei Stuttgart
> *************************************************************
>
> Ich habe gefunden: [Jahr-Pag-Nr]
>
> -->[1868-097-09d.] Nebenbuch
> FRIEDERICI, Johanne Christiane Luise, genannt BLIEDUNG
> *07.10.1838 in St. Andreasberg
>     Mutter: FRIDIRICI, Henrietta Josephine (unverehelicht)
> (oo)25.02.1868 in der Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> BEHRENS, Hermann August Wilhelm
> *17.04.1844 in Hildesheim
>     angegebener Wohnort: Hannover
> *************************************************************
>
> -->[1869-127-23c.] Nebenbuch
> BRAKEBUSCH, Johann Friedrich Ludwig
> *22.03.1835 in Petze (?)
>     Vater:  Weber .... Christian BRAKEBUSCH
>     Mutter: Johanna Marie geb. OELKER
> (oo)11.04.1869 in der Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> SPOERER, Johanne Wilhelmine ...
> *24.09.1842 in Salzderhelden
>     angegebener Wohnort: Hannover
> *************************************************************
>
> -->[1874-332-125b.] Nebenbuch
> FRIDIRICI, Paul Richard Kunibert
> *25.06.1838 in (unleserlich)
>     Vater:  Ernst Julius FRIDIRICI
>     Mutter: Pauline Hermine Eusebia geb. PAUL
> (oo)31.05. + 07.06.1874 in Christus Kirche - Aufgebot
> PAULI, Hedwig Auguste ... Rudolfine
> *30.01.1842 zu Billendorf
>     Vater:  Friedrich August PAULI
>     Mutter: Wil... Luise geb. REICHENBACH
> *************************************************************
>
> Nach beiden Namen BRAKEBUSCH und FRIDIRICI wurde in der
> Vergangenheit in deieser [HN]-Liste schon gefragt.
>
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[HN] re: Maria Derks de Neu

Date: 2002/11/10 21:31:01
From: Willem Breemhaar <w.breemhaar(a)home.nl>

Liebe Mitglieder der Hannover-Liste,

Wer hat nähere Angaben in Bezug auf Maria Derks de Neu, geboren  am 2.
November 1800, getauft in Midwolda (Provinz Groningen, Niederlande) am 9.
November 1800 (reformiert), Tochter von Derk Johannes de Neu und Margaretha
Reints Hagenus (Sterbedatum und -ort und gegebenenfalls Angaben in Bezug auf
eine oder mehrere Ehen).

Sie hat vielleicht im deutschen Grenzgebiet gelebt.

MfG

Willem







[HN] Neuvorstellung+Zufallsfunde

Date: 2002/11/10 21:47:12
From: Mareike Schaal <m.schaal(a)familie-schnoor-schaal.de>

Hallo alle zusammen!

Ich heiße Mareike Schaal, bin neu in dieser Liste und möchte mich
deshalb kurz vorstellen. Ich betreibe seit ca drei Jahren
Ahnenforschung, wobei ich mit den Vorfahren meiner Mutter größte
Probleme habe. Es handelt sich hierbei um den Nachnamen
Klagmeier/Klagmeyer. Ich bin für jede noch so kleine Information
dankbar und würde mich sehr freuen, wenn Herr Vahlbruch einmal nach
diesem namen mit suchen könnte. Momentan deuten einige Dinge darauf
hin, dass diese familie zumindest mal in Hannover ansässig war.

Weitere Informationen zu meinen Forschungen auf meiner Homepage:
http://www.familie-schnoor-schaal.de


Viele Grüße,
Mareike Schaal                            mailto:m.schaal(a)familie-schnoor-schaal.de

>> Hallo,
>> ich durchsuche gerade den Film: 1800717
>> Stadtarchiv Hannover: Kirchennebenbuecher 1865-1874
>> nach VAHLBRUCH / FAHLBRUCH und merke, dass ich gut nebenbei
>> 5 bis 6 weitere NAMEN mitsuchen koennte.
>>
>> Wer gezielt in Hannover (Stadt) sucht kann mir NachNAMEN nennen,
>> die ich mit beobachte bei der Suche.
>> Klaus Vahlbruch
>> Deizisau bei Stuttgart



[HN] Warum keine Mails??

Date: 2002/11/11 01:21:49
From: Klaus Dieter Wolf <k-d-wolf(a)t-online.de>

Seit einiger Zeit bin ich wieder zurück, bekomme aber keine e-Mails mehr, obwohl 
ich mich zurück gemeldet habe. Woran liegt es ??

MfG
Klaus Dieter Wolf
_________________________________________________________________
Für Ff mit Suchgebiet in W-Preuss.; N-Hes,; Nieders., B-Wü. u.Bay. 
weise ich auf meine Homepage hin:
http://home.t-online.de/home/k-d-wolf/



Re: [HN] re: Maria Derks de Neu

Date: 2002/11/11 02:13:24
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Hallo,

bei einer evtl. in Ostfriesland geänderten Schreibweise des Nachnamens in DE
NEUI kann ich evtl. auf hier im Mittleren Westen der USA wohnende
Namensträger hinweisen. Würden Sie mir bitte mitteilen, ob Sie DE NEU oder
DE NEUI suchen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen in die NL,
Hans-Georg Boyken
_____________________________________

----- Original Message -----
From: "Willem Breemhaar" <w.breemhaar(a)home.nl>
To: "Mailinglist Hannover-l" <Hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: [HN] re: Maria Derks de Neu


> Liebe Mitglieder der Hannover-Liste,
>
> Wer hat nähere Angaben in Bezug auf Maria Derks de Neu, geboren  am 2.
> November 1800, getauft in Midwolda (Provinz Groningen, Niederlande) am 9.
> November 1800 (reformiert), Tochter von Derk Johannes de Neu und
Margaretha
> Reints Hagenus (Sterbedatum und -ort und gegebenenfalls Angaben in Bezug
auf
> eine oder mehrere Ehen).
>
> Sie hat vielleicht im deutschen Grenzgebiet gelebt.
>
> MfG
>
> Willem
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Warum keine Mails??

Date: 2002/11/11 08:43:42
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[e-Mail zusätzlich privat addressiert.]
Hallo Klaus-Dieter,

Klaus Dieter Wolf schrieb:
> Seit einiger Zeit bin ich wieder zurück, bekomme aber keine e-Mails mehr, obwohl
> ich mich zurück gemeldet habe. Woran liegt es ??

Wie ich gerade nachgesehen habe, bist Du weiterhin ganz normal in der
Hannover-L-Mitgiedsliste eingeschrieben. Ich kann also keinen Grund
erkennen, warum Du keine e-Mail erhalten solltest.

Es gab in dieser Liste vom 23.10. bis 8.11. recht wenig e-Mails,
seitdem aber wieder einige mehr. Kannst Du mir bitte privat (nicht an
die Liste) an mailto j.drees(a)gmx.net schreiben, welche e-Mails Dir
genau fehlen? Eine vollständige Auflistung aller Nachrichten findet
sich Archiv finden: 
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/archiv/hannover-l/
genauer unter
http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/archiv/hannover-l/2002-11/dindex.html

Viele Grüße

Jürgen
Co-Administrator der Hannover-L Liste
-- 
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Juergen Drees                          38106 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


[HN] Update Homepage

Date: 2002/11/11 11:03:08
From: Rolf Froböse <Rolf.Froboese(a)t-online.de>

Hello,

I have just updated my genealogical homepage with many names from Lower
Saxony. The URL is http://mitglied.lycos.de/froboesefamily


Kind regards
R. Froböse




[HN] Vollbrecht

Date: 2002/11/11 15:43:29
From: Steven C. Wehling <wehling(a)rushmore.com>

Please conntact Steven Wehling at    wehling(a)rushmore.com
for any additional information


Family Group Sheet

================================================================================
Husband: Johann Ernst Vollbrecht
================================================================================
        AKA: 
       Born: 
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Father: Friedrich Vollbrecht (1745-          )
     Mother: Anne Catharina Marshause (1747-1820)
    Married: Nov 1796                  Place: Hohenebra
================================================================================
   Wife: Johanna Maria Hoppe
================================================================================
        AKA: 
       Born: 
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
================================================================================
Children
================================================================================
1  M  Johann Friedrich Christian Vollbrecht
       Born: Sep 1797 - Hohnebra
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: Johanne Dorothee Friederike Frobst (1794-          )
 Marr. Date: Apr 1822 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2  M  Johann Gottfried Vollbrecht
       Born: May 1801 - Hohenebra
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: Johanne Christine Sickel (1808-          )
 Marr. Date: Jan 1829 - Hohenebra
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3  F  Johanna Dorothee Friedrike Vollbrecht
       Born: 1803 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: Johann Gottfried Schuder (1798-          )
 Marr. Date: May 1826 - Hohenebra, Sonderhausen, Germany
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4  F  Johanni Marie Justine Vollbrecht
       Born: May 1805 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
 Christened: 
       Died: Nov 1813 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
     Buried: 
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
5  F  Johanna Catharine Magdalene Vollbrecht
       Born: 1810 - Hohenebra
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: Johann Heinrich Wilhelm Helbing (1809-          )
 Marr. Date: May 1844 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6  M  Johann Friedrich Carl Vollbrecht
       Born: Jun 1814 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: Maria Schonstedt (          -          )
 Marr. Date: May 1840 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7  M  Johann Christian Gottlob Vollbrecht
       Born: Sep 1818 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
 Christened: 
       Died: 
     Buried: 
     Spouse: Emma Victorina Juliane Marshause (1823-          )
 Marr. Date: Feb 1843 - Hohenebra, Sondershausen, Germany
     Spouse: 
 Marr. Date: 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Last Modified: 11 Nov 2002



Re: [HN] Zufallsfunde

Date: 2002/11/11 19:08:57
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>

Edward Meyer schrieb:
>
> 
> Is there a village near Hannover by the name of Oldendorf?  It may be that
> my ancestors )Grassmann) came from that village.  Thank you.  Edward Meyer
> 
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Hi Edward,
there are more OLDENDORF but none close to Hannover:

Oldendorf near = 33829 Borgholzhausen
Oldendorf near Bonsen, Kr. Uelzen = 29587 Natendorf
Oldendorf near Bremervoede = 27404 Zeven
Oldendorf near Celle = 29320 Hermannsburg
Oldendorf near Elze, Leine = 31020 Salzhemmendorf *)
Oldendorf an der Goerde = 21369 Nahrendorf
Oldendorf in Holstein = 25588 Oldendorf
Oldendorf, Luhe = Oldendorf
Oldendorf, Nordheide = 21279 Appel
Oldendorf, Kr. Osterholz = 27729 Holste
Oldendorf, Kr. Stade = 21726 Oldendorf
Oldendorf near Stralsund = 18445 Oldendorf
Oldendorf, Wiehengebirge = 49324 Melle

*) this might be the Oldendorf you are looking for. It is not fare away
from Hannonver.
Klaus Vahlbruch
*******************************************************


[HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Date: 2002/11/11 20:01:06
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

Hello list: Im trying to find any info. for my Grt.Grandfather. He came to the Usa in 1884 and last German address just said Magdeburg Prussia Hannover.
His name was Curt Stemler and mother Emilie Weiss. Father has been shown as:
Charles Armin Stemmler. Parents never married. I have his birth as 8-14-1868.
He returned to visit in 1912 I beleive. Are there any birth or passport records available in this time. Thank You for any replys.

See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
** Nannette **
;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>


Re: [HN] Zufallsfunde

Date: 2002/11/11 21:42:01
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

----------
>From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>
>To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>Subject: Re: [HN] Zufallsfunde
>Date: Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 12:07 PM
>

>
>
> Edward Meyer schrieb:
>>
>>
>> Is there a village near Hannover by the name of Oldendorf?  It may be that
>> my ancestors )Grassmann) came from that village.  Thank you.  Edward Meyer
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
>> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
> Hi Edward,
> there are more OLDENDORF but none close to Hannover:
>
> Oldendorf near = 33829 Borgholzhausen
> Oldendorf near Bonsen, Kr. Uelzen = 29587 Natendorf
> Oldendorf near Bremervoede = 27404 Zeven
> Oldendorf near Celle = 29320 Hermannsburg
> Oldendorf near Elze, Leine = 31020 Salzhemmendorf *)
> Oldendorf an der Goerde = 21369 Nahrendorf
> Oldendorf in Holstein = 25588 Oldendorf
> Oldendorf, Luhe = Oldendorf
> Oldendorf, Nordheide = 21279 Appel
> Oldendorf, Kr. Osterholz = 27729 Holste
> Oldendorf, Kr. Stade = 21726 Oldendorf
> Oldendorf near Stralsund = 18445 Oldendorf
> Oldendorf, Wiehengebirge = 49324 Melle
>
> *) this might be the Oldendorf you are looking for. It is not fare away
> from Hannonver.
> Klaus Vahlbruch
> *******************************************************
>
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Dear Mr. Vahlbruch,

I very much appredicate your sending of the list of villages or cities
having the name of Oldendorf.  I was aware that there were many villages
having the name.

If you are able to assist me further and if you care to take the time, I
will send additional information.  My g, g, grandfather and g, g,
grandmother were Christoph (aka Kerster) Grassmann and Sophia (nee Meyer).
They settled in southern Minnesota about 1856.  Dates of birth, respectively
are November 26 1807 and March 11 1809.  They had three children -- Heinrich
(born June 4 1834(35?), Fredericka, and Katherina.

An entry in the book "Germans to American" lists a Heinrich Grassmann as
coming to America in the early 1850's.  The age listed for him would have
been correct.  His occupation was listed as "mason."  Perhaps, being an
adult, he came alone with the rest of the family coming later; this is a
possibility.  No entry is found for any other Grassmanns that could be my in
my ancestry.

Family oral tradition states ALL my ancestors came from Hannover.  The
information of Oldendorf is found with only one ancestor.  It is found with
Heinrich grassmann's entry in the Burial Register of his church.  It is not
found with any other ancestor.  For them the word, Hannover, is only given.
Now this the kreis of Hannover or the city of Hannover????

Once more, thank you for the reply.

Edward H. Meyer




Re: [HN] Curt Stemler (Stemmler)

Date: 2002/11/11 22:51:53
From: John Lannom <jlannom(a)fuse.net>

Nannette,
You are lucky to have as much information as you do on your ggrandfather.
Since his last residence is listed as being Magdeburg, Prussia, I think I
would check if there  are any LDS church films for that and the surrounding
area, ordrer them and begin a search for  the STEMMLER surname.  Or you
could check on-line the German telephone book for the STEMMLER name and
-b-egin a letter writing campaign to STEMMLERS.

I have done both with much success.  Good luck.
Carole Lannom in OH, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nannette Morgan" <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: [HN] Curt Stemler (Stemmler)


Im trying to locate more info. on my Grt.Gf. Curt Stemler
D.o.B. 8-14-1868 - 1928   Mother: Emilie Wiess   Father :? Charles Armin
Stemler
(parents never married)
Any suggestions welcome and appreciated. This is what I have and would like
to find birth, passport info. Arrived Ny.U.S.A.
Aug.30, 1884  Ship: Westphalia  From: Hamburg & Harve to America
Manifest ID 37856  Last Residence :Magdeburg in Prussia
Return Visit to Germany June 1911  on Grosser Kurfurst  Port Departure
Bremen
Need any input on how,where, to locate Germany records if avail.
Thank You.
Nannette

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Re: [HN] Oldendorf

Date: 2002/11/12 01:07:51
From: HermannMiethe <HermannMiethe(a)aol.com>

Hello,

I want to add Hessisch-Oldendorf between Hameln und Rinteln.

Kindly regards

H. Miethe


[HN] Magdeburg

Date: 2002/11/12 01:19:13
From: Lois74 <Lois1926(a)webtv.net>

Hello List:
I have a question that is causing a bit of
concern.
I was told a relative was from Magdeburg,
Mecklenberg.  Then I was informed
Magdeburg was in Sachsen-Anhalt, and
today I was told Magdeburg was located
in Hannover......guess I'm searching all
the wrong places!!
Searching PAUL WEBBER, born 1556 in
Magdeburg. (10th GGrandfather)
Would some kind soul please straighten this out for me?  TIA!!!

Lois Webber
Panama City Beach, Fl.



Re: [HN] Magdeburg

Date: 2002/11/12 01:38:44
From: HermannMiethe <HermannMiethe(a)aol.com>

Hello Lois,

Magdeburg is capital of state Sachsen-Anhalt.
Anything else is nonsense.

H. Miethe
Hannover


Re: [HN] Oldendorf

Date: 2002/11/12 03:23:42
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Hello,

I would like to add the village of Oldendorf I, since 1957 as part of
Suderburg i. H. -  i. H. = in Hannover -
(http://www.suderburg.de/historie/gemeindegeschichte.htm and
http://www.suderburg-damals.de/Karte/karte.html  and
http://www.suderburg-damals.de/index.html) . It is the village where my
grandmother Sophie Frieda Ida Marwede was born Maerz 21, 1883.

Regards,
Hans-Georg Boyken
Titonka, Iowa 50480-0269
_________________________________
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From: <HermannMiethe(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Oldendorf


> Hello,
>
> I want to add Hessisch-Oldendorf between Hameln und Rinteln.
>
> Kindly regards
>
> H. Miethe
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Re: [HN] Curt Stemler (Stemmler)

Date: 2002/11/12 03:24:33
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

Thanks Carole for the reply. I'm fairly new for Germany research .2-questions. 1.How or where would I get [in English ]the Tele Directory?   I obtained his passage info from Germans to Amer. from some Soceity in Calf. for a donation,and his mothers name was on his marriage/ death certs. I know she used his name in passage here as she was not married to his father. She returned shortly and never came back that I know of.I figure either she was dying in 1911 as he returned a visit. 2.How much is a letter to Germany these days?
Thanks Again.Nannette

----- Original Message -----
From: John Lannom
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:02 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Curt Stemler (Stemmler)

Nannette,
You are lucky to have as much information as you do on your ggrandfather.
Since his last residence is listed as being Magdeburg, Prussia, I think I
would check if there  are any LDS church films for that and the surrounding
area, ordrer them and begin a search for  the STEMMLER surname.  Or you
could check on-line the German telephone book for the STEMMLER name and
-b-egin a letter writing campaign to STEMMLERS.

I have done both with much success.  Good luck.
Carole Lannom in OH, USA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nannette Morgan" <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: [HN] Curt Stemler (Stemmler)


Im trying to locate more info. on my Grt.Gf. Curt Stemler
D.o.B. 8-14-1868 - 1928   Mother: Emilie Wiess   Father :? Charles Armin
Stemler
(parents never married)
Any suggestions welcome and appreciated. This is what I have and would like
to find birth, passport info. Arrived Ny.U.S.A.
Aug.30, 1884  Ship: Westphalia  From: Hamburg & Harve to America
Manifest ID 37856  Last Residence :Magdeburg in Prussia
Return Visit to Germany June 1911  on Grosser Kurfurst  Port Departure
Bremen
Need any input on how,where, to locate Germany records if avail.
Thank You.
Nannette

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Re: [HN] Magdeburg

Date: 2002/11/12 03:28:52
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

From what I know of Magdeburg was in Hannover / Prussia back then. Only about 10 yrs ago became   Sachsen-Anhalt. Guess its different over there not like us keeping a name forever.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lois1926(a)webtv.net
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:20 PM
To: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] Magdeburg

Hello List:
I have a question that is causing a bit of
concern.
I was told a relative was from Magdeburg,
Mecklenberg.  Then I was informed
Magdeburg was in Sachsen-Anhalt, and
today I was told Magdeburg was located
in Hannover......guess I'm searching all
the wrong places!!
Searching PAUL WEBBER, born 1556 in
Magdeburg. (10th GGrandfather)
Would some kind soul please straighten this out for me?  TIA!!!

Lois Webber
Panama City Beach, Fl.


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Re: [HN] Magdeburg

Date: 2002/11/12 03:40:53
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

Hermann,
Thank you for explaining to us "Newbies" here in the USA researching our ancestors.
May I ask your help ? I'm trying to find my Grt.GF birth or passport information. Where would I start? His last residence in 1884 shows Magdeburg. His birth year 1868. ?
Also how can I find (in English) any surnames in the telephone Directory in that area?
Thank you for your help and fellow kindness.
Nannette

----- Original Message -----
From: HermannMiethe(a)aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 6:39 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg

Hello Lois,

Magdeburg is capital of state Sachsen-Anhalt.
Anything else is nonsense.

H. Miethe
Hannover

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Re: [HN] Magdeburg

Date: 2002/11/12 08:56:55
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Dear Lois,

Your information that Magdeburg is part of Sachsen-Anhalt is correct!!! 

In the last 600 years (or longer) was Magdeburg not part of Niedersachsen or the Brunswick dukedoms, including the Kingdom of Hannover.


Christoph


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"Lois74" <Lois1926(a)webtv.net> schrieb:
> Hello List:
> I have a question that is causing a bit of
> concern.
> I was told a relative was from Magdeburg,
> Mecklenberg.  Then I was informed
> Magdeburg was in Sachsen-Anhalt, and
> today I was told Magdeburg was located
> in Hannover......guess I'm searching all
> the wrong places!!
> Searching PAUL WEBBER, born 1556 in
> Magdeburg. (10th GGrandfather)
> Would some kind soul please straighten this out for me?  TIA!!!
> 
> Lois Webber
> Panama City Beach, Fl.
> 
> 
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[HN] Erbenaufruf - Johanna Helene JACOB geb. RUSCHMEIER

Date: 2002/11/12 18:06:21
From: Inga Knaak <i.knaak(a)gmx.de>

Hallo Listen,

folgendes stand als Erbenaufruf in der Zeitung vom 09.11.2002:

Am 20. Januar 2000 starb in Winterthur Johanna Helene JACOB geb. RUSCHMEIER,
geboren am 28. Mai 1916 in Dortmund als Tochter des Friedrich Wilhelm
RUSCHMEIER und der Sophia Maria geb. NEUMANN, verwitwet von Karl JAKOB seit
12. Juni 1994, zuletzt wohnhaft gewesen in Winterthur.

Bis jetzt konnten die gesetzlichen Erben von Johanna Helene JACOB -
RUSCHMEIER nicht ermittelt werden. Der Bruder der Erblasserin, Wilhelm
Richard RUSCHMEIER, geb. 18. Januar 1914, ist am 06. August 1977 in
Schwerte/Deutschland gestorben.

Allfällige erbberechtigte Personen werden hiermit aufgefordert, sich binnen
Jahresfrist von der Veröffentlichung dieses Aufrufes an bei der
unterzeichneten Amtsstelle zu melden und ihre Erbberechtigung mit Urkunden
nachzuweisen. Andernfalls wird der Nachlass unter Vorbehalt der
Erbschaftsklage an das Gemeinwesen ausgehändigt.

Wintherthur, 07. Oktober 2002

Bezirksgericht Winterthur
Die Gerichtssekretärin
lic. iur. M. Zöbeli

Kontaktadresse:
Bezirksgericht Winterthur
EN020061
Lindstrasse 10
CH-8400 Winterthur
Schweiz


Vielleicht nutzt es ja jemandem etwas.

Grüße,
Inga Knaak



Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Date: 2002/11/12 18:18:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

The German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de - also in english) shows a lot of Stemmler addresses in Germany, but only two in Magdeburg:

Stemmler, Friedrich  phone(0391) 4011730
  Damaschkeweg 21
  39122 Magdeburg

Stemmler, Olaf  phone(0391) 6224744
  Dachsbreite 6 A
  39120 Magdeburg

We have only one Magdeburg in Germany, it is located in Province Sachsen (a part of Prussia) since 1866, later Sachsen-Anhalt.
Since 1815 it was a part of the Kingdom Preussen (Prussia), close to the boarder of the Kingdom Hannover.
After 1866 was Hannover also a part of Prussia.

Werner




> Hello list: Im trying to find any info. for my Grt.Grandfather. He came to
> the Usa in 1884 and last German address just said Magdeburg Prussia
> Hannover.
> His name was Curt Stemler and mother Emilie Weiss. Father has been shown
> as:
> Charles Armin Stemmler. Parents never married. I have his birth as
> 8-14-1868.
> He returned to visit in 1912 I beleive. Are there any birth or passport
> records available in this time. Thank You for any replys.

> See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
> ** Nannette **
> ;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>

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[HN] BROCKMANN aus BREMEN und FLOTHO

Date: 2002/11/12 19:29:03
From: Reinhard J. Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Ich suche weitere Lebensdaten und Vorfahren von 

Johann Branckmann, ev.-luth. 
* 1600 (err.) in Flotho Stadtteil Bremen(?) 
+ am 17.5.1654 in Hann.-Münden 

Schiffer zu Bremen und Münden; erwirbt am 17.1.1642 Bürgerrecht in Bremen ("von Flotho" bürtig"); urk. Bremen 1644 im Heuerschillingsregister; lebt im Martini-Wachtquartier als Schiffer und Inhaber einer Wohnung; zahlt für das Begräbnis seiner Frau 22,16 Rthl., einen ungewöhnlich hohen Betrag; dies läßt auf einen guten Besitzstand schliessen ("darauff er kunftigs 1 leichsteen mach leggen 10 Fuß")
Ab 1644 Schiffer zu Münden "von Bremen" 
1.8	(f) Name unbekannta, * 1600 in Flotho Stadtteil Bremen(?), + vor dem 29.4.1642 in Bremen, . ˜ um 1635 in Bremen(?) 
Töchter :	1)	Anna Elisabeth Branckmannb, * 1637 (err.) in Bremen(?), + am 7.9.1693 in Volkerode Krs. Göttingen, ev.-luth. 
2)	Anna Margarete Branckmann, * um 1640 in Bremen(?), ev.-luth. 
2.8	Anna Mengershausen, * um 1610 in Hann.-Münden, ev.-luth. ˜ am 18.6.1644 in Hann.-Münden 
Tochter :	1)	Ilsabe Brokmann, * um 1650 in Hann.-Münden, ev.-luth. 
a) 	Quelle: Kirchenrechnungen St. Martini, Bremen; 
b) 	Sterbeeintrag: Daniel Baumgartens Hausfrauen, 56 J."; 

-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag

Re: [HN] Magdeburg

Date: 2002/11/12 21:05:09
From: John Lannom <jlannom(a)fuse.net>

Nannette,
Did you miss the post by Werner with Magdeburg information and two surnames
listed in your area?  I would write to the two Stemmlers listed    Carole

Here it is again:
<<<
The German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de - also in english) shows a
lot of Stemmler addresses in Germany, but only two in Magdeburg:

Stemmler, Friedrich  phone(0391) 4011730
  Damaschkeweg 21
  39122 Magdeburg

Stemmler, Olaf  phone(0391) 6224744
  Dachsbreite 6 A
  39120 Magdeburg

We have only one Magdeburg in Germany, it is located in Province Sachsen (a
part of Prussia) since 1866, later Sachsen-Anhalt.  Since 1815 it was a part
of the Kingdom Preussen (Prussia), close to the boarder of the Kingdom
Hannover.  After 1866 was Hannover also a part of Prussia.
>>>






Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Date: 2002/11/12 21:10:37
From: John Lannom <jlannom(a)fuse.net>

Nannette,
I responded to the Hanover group as a whole.  Here is what I sent.  Werner
found two Stemmlers listed in Magdeburg.  I would definitely write to them.
Since postage has gone up, I am not quiet sure how much German postage would
be, but you should include a 'International Reply Coupon' for their return
postage.  It is very expensive for Europeans to send us mail and I always
include an 'IRC'.  You can purchase an IRC at the same time you mail your
letter just remember to put the IRC coupon inside before sealing.  I would
always
mention that "I enclosed an IRC coupon to cover your return postage".

Answer to #1.  The German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de - also in
english) shows a lot of Stemmler addresses in Germany, but only two in
Magdeburg:
<<<
Stemmler, Friedrich  phone(0391) 4011730
  Damaschkeweg 21
  39122 Magdeburg

Stemmler, Olaf  phone(0391) 6224744
  Dachsbreite 6 A
  39120 Magdeburg

We have only one Magdeburg in Germany, it is located in Province Sachsen (a
part of Prussia) since 1866, later Sachsen-Anhalt.  Since 1815 it was a part
of the Kingdom Preussen (Prussia), close to the boarder of the Kingdom
Hannover.  After 1866 was Hannover also a part of Prussia.>>>

I hope this helps a bit.  Ask if you have any questions.  Nannette, e-mail
me privately if you want.  <jlannom(a)fuse.net>
Carole - OH, USA






[HN] [Re] Nanette Morgan

Date: 2002/11/13 00:50:26
From: HermannMiethe <HermannMiethe(a)aol.com>

Hello Nanette,

the webside with the german telephone book you got from our friends.
The genealogical working group for the Magdeburg area you find under:
http://khv-magdeburg.de/agfgig/06.htm
e-mail: Horst.Koetz(a)t-online.de
They have a name file with 50000 names.

Good luck for finding your "Urgrossvater"

H. Miethe



Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Date: 2002/11/13 03:49:50
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

 Werner a Special Thanks for the below link and information. Also Thank you all for the helpful information so badly needed.
Nannette

----- Original Message -----
From: Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

The German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de - also in english) shows a lot of Stemmler addresses in Germany, but only two in Magdeburg:

Stemmler, Friedrich  phone(0391) 4011730
  Damaschkeweg 21
  39122 Magdeburg

Stemmler, Olaf  phone(0391) 6224744
  Dachsbreite 6 A
  39120 Magdeburg

We have only one Magdeburg in Germany, it is located in Province Sachsen (a part of Prussia) since 1866, later Sachsen-Anhalt.
Since 1815 it was a part of the Kingdom Preussen (Prussia), close to the boarder of the Kingdom Hannover.
After 1866 was Hannover also a part of Prussia.

Werner




> Hello list: Im trying to find any info. for my Grt.Grandfather. He came to
> the Usa in 1884 and last German address just said Magdeburg Prussia
> Hannover.
> His name was Curt Stemler and mother Emilie Weiss. Father has been shown
> as:
> Charles Armin Stemmler. Parents never married. I have his birth as
> 8-14-1868.
> He returned to visit in 1912 I beleive. Are there any birth or passport
> records available in this time. Thank You for any replys.

> See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
> ** Nannette **
> ;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>

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Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Date: 2002/11/13 05:45:45
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello,
     I would guess that you have used the LDS website.  There are many
Stemmlers listed.  Also, they do have church records and other items from
Magdeburg--but it would be a long tedious search if you are unsure if they
were born there. It's not a small village! Have you tried Germans to America
or indexes to passenger lists?






n 11/12/02 7:49 PM, Nannette Morgan at Bluebarron1(a)msn.com wrote:

> Werner a Special Thanks for the below link and information. Also Thank you all
> for the helpful information so badly needed.
> Nannette
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler
> 
> The German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de - also in english) shows a lot
> of Stemmler addresses in Germany, but only two in Magdeburg:
> 
> Stemmler, Friedrich  phone(0391) 4011730
> Damaschkeweg 21
> 39122 Magdeburg
> 
> Stemmler, Olaf  phone(0391) 6224744
> Dachsbreite 6 A
> 39120 Magdeburg
> 
> We have only one Magdeburg in Germany, it is located in Province Sachsen (a
> part of Prussia) since 1866, later Sachsen-Anhalt.
> Since 1815 it was a part of the Kingdom Preussen (Prussia), close to the
> boarder of the Kingdom Hannover.
> After 1866 was Hannover also a part of Prussia.
> 
> Werner
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Hello list: Im trying to find any info. for my Grt.Grandfather. He came to
>> the Usa in 1884 and last German address just said Magdeburg Prussia
>> Hannover.
>> His name was Curt Stemler and mother Emilie Weiss. Father has been shown
>> as:
>> Charles Armin Stemmler. Parents never married. I have his birth as
>> 8-14-1868.
>> He returned to visit in 1912 I beleive. Are there any birth or passport
>> records available in this time. Thank You for any replys.
> 
>> See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
>> ** Nannette **
>> ;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>
> 
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Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Date: 2002/11/14 01:23:31
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

Hello, Yes I was able to find his passage records >1884 on Germans to America, this is what gave Magdeburg as last residence.I have his Naturalization papers and death cert that shows mothers name and a fathers even though they were not married. His mother returned to Germany Im assuming before 1900 but I can not find her return.He returned 6/1911 for a visit that on Ellis site. I'm fairly a newbie& not that informed on using LDS. Thanks for your help,it's appreciated.
Nannette
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:46 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Hello,
     I would guess that you have used the LDS website.  There are many
Stemmlers listed.  Also, they do have church records and other items from
Magdeburg--but it would be a long tedious search if you are unsure if they
were born there. It's not a small village! Have you tried Germans to America
or indexes to passenger lists?






n 11/12/02 7:49 PM, Nannette Morgan at Bluebarron1(a)msn.com wrote:

> Werner a Special Thanks for the below link and information. Also Thank you all
> for the helpful information so badly needed.
> Nannette
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler
>  
> The German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de - also in english) shows a lot
> of Stemmler addresses in Germany, but only two in Magdeburg:
>  
> Stemmler, Friedrich  phone(0391) 4011730
> Damaschkeweg 21
> 39122 Magdeburg
>  
> Stemmler, Olaf  phone(0391) 6224744
> Dachsbreite 6 A
> 39120 Magdeburg
>  
> We have only one Magdeburg in Germany, it is located in Province Sachsen (a
> part of Prussia) since 1866, later Sachsen-Anhalt.
> Since 1815 it was a part of the Kingdom Preussen (Prussia), close to the
> boarder of the Kingdom Hannover.
> After 1866 was Hannover also a part of Prussia.
>  
> Werner
>  
>  
>  
>  
>> Hello list: Im trying to find any info. for my Grt.Grandfather. He came to
>> the Usa in 1884 and last German address just said Magdeburg Prussia
>> Hannover.
>> His name was Curt Stemler and mother Emilie Weiss. Father has been shown
>> as:
>> Charles Armin Stemmler. Parents never married. I have his birth as
>> 8-14-1868.
>> He returned to visit in 1912 I beleive. Are there any birth or passport
>> records available in this time. Thank You for any replys.
>  
>> See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
>> ** Nannette **
>> ;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>
>  
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[HN] enignes

Date: 2002/11/14 19:31:43
From: kathpfeil <kathpfeil(a)wanadoo.fr>

Bonsoir  a tous

j'ai besoin de vos lumieres car je ne comprends pas
Voila je vous explique,mais ancetres sont des gens du voyages
quand j'arrive a trouvé le noms du village ou ils sont soit disant né
on ne les trouve pas ,Pourquoi!!!!!
si vous rencontré une naissance Hoffmann Sébastien le 08/10/1871
a s'etait Souffleheim apres Zuffleheim et maintenant je ne sais plus
idem pour sa maman JOA Marie epouse Hoffmann mariée theoriquement en 1869   
et son pere Hoffmann Jacob en 1843  Ribeauvillé
j'ens profite pour remercie Jojo qui sait rendu a REIPPERTSWILLER
et Leconte François qui sait rendu a Ribeauvillé
gros bisous
et amicalement
kath
sait un tonneau immense que je jete a la mer

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[HN] New subscriber

Date: 2002/11/14 22:57:04
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

I am a new subscriber and new to Germany research and also new to
researching immigrants to the U.S. from Germany.

I am looking for information on a man named Henry (Heinrich?)
Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife Leonore (or other spellings), born

abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.

They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek, Calhoun County,
Michigan, USA  According to that record, they were all born in
Hannover.  Also listed are two more sons, John, b. November 1855 and
Frank, b. abt 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
year of immigration as 1855.

The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give Baden as the place

of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was given as Germany.

I would like to know how they got to the United States and in
particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and down the St. Lawrence
river to Michigan?

Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA








Re: [HN] New subscriber

Date: 2002/11/14 23:27:17
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

Hattendorfs exist in our area..
Schaumburg Illinois and from Schaumburg Lippe..
We have a mailing list that you may wish to subscribe to and post..
IL-COOK-Schaumburg-L(a)rootsweb.com

to subsribe, send a clean, new email with the word Subscribe in the TEXT and
in the SUBJECT.BOTH places.. and send it to
IL-COOK-Schaumburg-L-request(a)rootsweb.com

Notice the two addresses are different..



----- Original Message -----
From: "Margaret McCleskey" <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:54 PM
Subject: [HN] New subscriber


> I am a new subscriber and new to Germany research and also new to
> researching immigrants to the U.S. from Germany.
>
> I am looking for information on a man named Henry (Heinrich?)
> Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife Leonore (or other spellings), born
>
> abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.
>
> They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek, Calhoun County,
> Michigan, USA  According to that record, they were all born in
> Hannover.  Also listed are two more sons, John, b. November 1855 and
> Frank, b. abt 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
> year of immigration as 1855.
>
> The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give Baden as the place
>
> of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was given as Germany.
>
> I would like to know how they got to the United States and in
> particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and down the St. Lawrence
> river to Michigan?
>
> Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>


Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Date: 2002/11/15 03:31:07
From: Cora L McDonnell <coralmcdonnell(a)comcast.net>

Hi Nannette and list members,

If his mother returned to Germany about 1900, her death would have been
recorded in a civil register much as we have death certificates in this
country.  Civil registration of birth/marriage/death records began in
Magdeburg in 1874.  If you think she could have died in Magdeburg, I can
give you the address of the Standesamt (registry office) to write for a copy
of her death certificate.

I'm about to write to Magdeburg for a wedding certificate from 1890, but
haven't had much experience with civil records in Germany.  If anyone has
any advice about researching civil records, I sure would appreciate it.
Most LDS microfilms of civil records seem to stop before 1880.

Best wishes to a very helpful list,
Cora McDonnell
coralmcdonnell(a)comcast.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nannette Morgan" <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>
To: "Hannover-L" <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler


Hello, Yes I was able to find his passage records >1884 on Germans to
America, this is what gave Magdeburg as last residence.I have his
Naturalization papers and death cert that shows mothers name and a fathers
even though they were not married. His mother returned to Germany Im
assuming before 1900 but I can not find her return.He returned 6/1911 for a
visit that on Ellis site. I'm fairly a newbie& not that informed on using
LDS. Thanks for your help,it's appreciated.
Nannette
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:46 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Hello,
     I would guess that you have used the LDS website.  There are many
Stemmlers listed.  Also, they do have church records and other items from
Magdeburg--but it would be a long tedious search if you are unsure if they
were born there. It's not a small village! Have you tried Germans to America
or indexes to passenger lists?






n 11/12/02 7:49 PM, Nannette Morgan at Bluebarron1(a)msn.com wrote:

> Werner a Special Thanks for the below link and information. Also Thank you
all
> for the helpful information so badly needed.
> Nannette
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler
>
> The German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de - also in english) shows a
lot
> of Stemmler addresses in Germany, but only two in Magdeburg:
>
> Stemmler, Friedrich  phone(0391) 4011730
> Damaschkeweg 21
> 39122 Magdeburg
>
> Stemmler, Olaf  phone(0391) 6224744
> Dachsbreite 6 A
> 39120 Magdeburg
>
> We have only one Magdeburg in Germany, it is located in Province Sachsen
(a
> part of Prussia) since 1866, later Sachsen-Anhalt.
> Since 1815 it was a part of the Kingdom Preussen (Prussia), close to the
> boarder of the Kingdom Hannover.
> After 1866 was Hannover also a part of Prussia.
>
> Werner
>
>
>
>
>> Hello list: Im trying to find any info. for my Grt.Grandfather. He came
to
>> the Usa in 1884 and last German address just said Magdeburg Prussia
>> Hannover.
>> His name was Curt Stemler and mother Emilie Weiss. Father has been shown
>> as:
>> Charles Armin Stemmler. Parents never married. I have his birth as
>> 8-14-1868.
>> He returned to visit in 1912 I beleive. Are there any birth or passport
>> records available in this time. Thank You for any replys.
>
>> See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
>> ** Nannette **
>> ;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>
>
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[HN] urgent/dringend

Date: 2002/11/15 12:21:59
From: CHaupt <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>

Dear listmembers,

I think it is highly regrettable that there are people on this list, who search for professional genealogists, place an order and who finally do not settle the bill. These clients are being served with dedication and effort, and just take it for granted, but would not always get that much service elsewhere. And afterwards, they try to find some very flimsy reasons to avoid 
compensating the genealogist for the expenses or the time that was spent on the search. 
All of this happened recently, there was a person who searched for ancestors in Groß Berkel who acted this way.

Qualified people who work as genealogists, historians or information brokers or related tasks need to trust their business/ research parters that contracts are kept and that both parties can rely on each other. Perhaps, for a few people, the sum of $550 more or less on the bank account may be a matter of "peanuts", but this same sum can be the one that saves a 
freelance historian from going bankrupt.

What made me write the lines you have just read was not a feeling of revenge or anything of that sort. Far from it. But I wanted to motivate the abovementioned person, a president of a large international firm, either to give valid reasons for his refusal to pay or to settle the bill which I sent him on 9. September 2002. 


Yours sincerely 

	Christoph Haupt

 
PS: I know that this is off-topic and hope that listmembers will understand that the circumstances are forcing me to take this step. 



-- 
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Sehnder Str. 28
D-30559 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de

Re: [HN] urgent/dringend

Date: 2002/11/15 13:53:11
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

A deal is a deal...
If you can't do the work yourself, and you have requested the work to be
done, then pay the BILL! Or at Christmas time, when you brag about a-l-l the
WONDERFUL information that you found, and those around you give you such
praise and sit in AWE of you, remember that you have been sneaky and cheated
someone else of the funds that you owe!
Remember it.

The bill is due, it has been due, and you are late..
Sounds like INTEREST on the original amount is due!

FURTHER, it is people who do not pay their bills that make it hard for
people like me to gain the services of a researcher far from home.
Please do not compound our problems of distance with problems of distrust!
Pay the bill!

valentine
PS..Now I have not gone back to see exactly WHO was searching for
Groß Berkel residence..I would prefer not to know, but if CHaupt doesn't get
his mulla, then we will just have to search our memories.won''t we?


----- Original Message -----
From: "CHaupt" <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>
To: "Liste Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:51 AM
Subject: [HN] urgent/dringend


Dear listmembers,

I think it is highly regrettable that there are people on this list, who
search for professional genealogists, place an order and who finally do not
settle the bill. These clients are being served with dedication and effort,
and just take it for granted, but would not always get that much service
elsewhere. And afterwards, they try to find some very flimsy reasons to
avoid
compensating the genealogist for the expenses or the time that was spent on
the search.
All of this happened recently, there was a person who searched for ancestors
in Groß Berkel who acted this way.

Qualified people who work as genealogists, historians or information brokers
or related tasks need to trust their business/ research parters that
contracts are kept and that both parties can rely on each other. Perhaps,
for a few people, the sum of $550 more or less on the bank account may be a
matter of "peanuts", but this same sum can be the one that saves a
freelance historian from going bankrupt.

What made me write the lines you have just read was not a feeling of revenge
or anything of that sort. Far from it. But I wanted to motivate the
abovementioned person, a president of a large international firm, either to
give valid reasons for his refusal to pay or to settle the bill which I sent
him on 9. September 2002.


Yours sincerely

Christoph Haupt


PS: I know that this is off-topic and hope that listmembers will understand
that the circumstances are forcing me to take this step.



--
Haupt'S finden&suchen
Christoph Haupt
Sehnder Str. 28
D-30559 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
FAX: +511 8793208
eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
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Re: [HN] urgent/dringend

Date: 2002/11/15 15:51:41
From: Thomas J. Kerr <tjkerr(a)erols.com>

A list member:

I would like to add that I would have no problem if  the person who did
the research and was cheated out of agreed upon funds to publish the
name of the person who refused to pay his just bills.

A person does this sort of  act  harms all who use the internet for
research.

Thomas




----- Original Message -----
From: "... valentine53179" <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] urgent/dringend


> A deal is a deal...
> If you can't do the work yourself, and you have requested the work to be
> done, then pay the BILL! Or at Christmas time, when you brag about a-l-l the
> WONDERFUL information that you found, and those around you give you such
> praise and sit in AWE of you, remember that you have been sneaky and cheated
> someone else of the funds that you owe!
> Remember it.
>
> The bill is due, it has been due, and you are late..
> Sounds like INTEREST on the original amount is due!
>
> FURTHER, it is people who do not pay their bills that make it hard for
> people like me to gain the services of a researcher far from home.
> Please do not compound our problems of distance with problems of distrust!
> Pay the bill!
>
> valentine
> PS..Now I have not gone back to see exactly WHO was searching for
> Groß Berkel residence..I would prefer not to know, but if CHaupt doesn't get
> his mulla, then we will just have to search our memories.won''t we?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CHaupt" <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>
> To: "Liste Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:51 AM
> Subject: [HN] urgent/dringend
>
>
> Dear listmembers,
>
> I think it is highly regrettable that there are people on this list, who
> search for professional genealogists, place an order and who finally do not
> settle the bill. These clients are being served with dedication and effort,
> and just take it for granted, but would not always get that much service
> elsewhere. And afterwards, they try to find some very flimsy reasons to
> avoid
> compensating the genealogist for the expenses or the time that was spent on
> the search.
> All of this happened recently, there was a person who searched for ancestors
> in Groß Berkel who acted this way.
>
> Qualified people who work as genealogists, historians or information brokers
> or related tasks need to trust their business/ research parters that
> contracts are kept and that both parties can rely on each other. Perhaps,
> for a few people, the sum of $550 more or less on the bank account may be a
> matter of "peanuts", but this same sum can be the one that saves a
> freelance historian from going bankrupt.
>
> What made me write the lines you have just read was not a feeling of revenge
> or anything of that sort. Far from it. But I wanted to motivate the
> abovementioned person, a president of a large international firm, either to
> give valid reasons for his refusal to pay or to settle the bill which I sent
> him on 9. September 2002.
>
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Christoph Haupt
>
>
> PS: I know that this is off-topic and hope that listmembers will understand
> that the circumstances are forcing me to take this step.
>
>
>
> --
> Haupt'S finden&suchen
> Christoph Haupt
> Sehnder Str. 28
> D-30559 Hannover
> TEL: +511 522313
> FAX: +511 8793208
> eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
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>




Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Date: 2002/11/15 17:30:38
From: John Lannom <jlannom(a)fuse.net>

Nannette,
If there is an LDS library close to you, list all the information, names,
dates, etc. and take it with you to the library.  I think a volunteer could
help you find LDS films in your area that you could order to search for the
father and mother's names in local curch records.

LDS also has computer programs at their library where you could do a name
search for your surname to see if anyone else is searching your particular
name and get their name and address and contact them.  It's worth a try.

Carole Lannom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nannette Morgan" <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>
To: "Hannover-L" <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler


Hello, Yes I was able to find his passage records >1884 on Germans to
America, this is what gave Magdeburg as last residence.I have his
Naturalization papers and death cert that shows mothers name and a fathers
even though they were not married. His mother returned to Germany Im
assuming before 1900 but I can not find her return.He returned 6/1911 for a
visit that on Ellis site. I'm fairly a newbie& not that informed on using
LDS. Thanks for your help,it's appreciated.
Nannette
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:46 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler

Hello,
     I would guess that you have used the LDS website.  There are many
Stemmlers listed.  Also, they do have church records and other items from
Magdeburg--but it would be a long tedious search if you are unsure if they
were born there. It's not a small village! Have you tried Germans to America
or indexes to passenger lists?






n 11/12/02 7:49 PM, Nannette Morgan at Bluebarron1(a)msn.com wrote:

> Werner a Special Thanks for the below link and information. Also Thank you
all
> for the helpful information so badly needed.
> Nannette
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:19 AM
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Magdeburg - Stemmler
>
> The German phone directory (www.teleauskunft.de - also in english) shows a
lot
> of Stemmler addresses in Germany, but only two in Magdeburg:
>
> Stemmler, Friedrich  phone(0391) 4011730
> Damaschkeweg 21
> 39122 Magdeburg
>
> Stemmler, Olaf  phone(0391) 6224744
> Dachsbreite 6 A
> 39120 Magdeburg
>
> We have only one Magdeburg in Germany, it is located in Province Sachsen
(a
> part of Prussia) since 1866, later Sachsen-Anhalt.
> Since 1815 it was a part of the Kingdom Preussen (Prussia), close to the
> boarder of the Kingdom Hannover.
> After 1866 was Hannover also a part of Prussia.
>
> Werner
>
>
>
>
>> Hello list: Im trying to find any info. for my Grt.Grandfather. He came
to
>> the Usa in 1884 and last German address just said Magdeburg Prussia
>> Hannover.
>> His name was Curt Stemler and mother Emilie Weiss. Father has been shown
>> as:
>> Charles Armin Stemmler. Parents never married. I have his birth as
>> 8-14-1868.
>> He returned to visit in 1912 I beleive. Are there any birth or passport
>> records available in this time. Thank You for any replys.
>
>> See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
>> ** Nannette **
>> ;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
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>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
>
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Re: [HN] New subscriber

Date: 2002/11/15 17:44:23
From: Familytreehist <Familytreehist(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 11/14/02 4:29:17 PM Central Standard Time, 
valentine53179(a)hotmail.com writes:


> Hattendorfs exist in our area..
> 

There were also Hattendorfs in the Proviso Twp. area of Cook County, IL.  At 
least one is buried in Old Settler's Cemetery in Berkeley, IL.  The DuPage 
Co. (IL) Genealogical Society transcribed the cemetery records for a number 
of cemeteries in the area.  Check their site at www.dcgs.org to search the 
Hattendorf name.


Re: [HN] urgent/dringend

Date: 2002/11/15 17:51:22
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>

CHaupt schrieb:
> 
Guten Tag lieber "Freund",
für den Fall, Du würdest plötzlich auch meinen, kein Englisch mehr
verstehen zu können, wie Du offensichtlich meinst Deine erbetenen
Leistungen nicht bezahlen zu müssen, so werde ich "einfach mal Deutsch
mit Dir reden".
Hast Du nicht gemerkt wie freundlich, offen und vor allem hilfsbereit
die [HN]-Listers sind? Tue ihnen wie Dir getan wird und vor allem: 
ZAHLE DEINE RECHNUNG!
Noch hält sich die Reaktion von Christoph, Valentin und Thomas in
vornehmen Genzen, aber richtig ist was Thomas schreibt: 
Wir würden es ertragen wenn Ross und Reiter genannt würden - aber Du?

Aufrichtige Grüsse
Dein 
Klaus Vahlbruch
**************************************************

> Dear listmembers,
> 
> I think it is highly regrettable
....
...
.. etc
>         Christoph Haupt
> 
> 
> PS: I know that this is off-topic and hope that listmembers will understand that the circumstances are forcing me to take this step.
> 
> --
> Haupt'S finden&suchen
> Christoph Haupt
> Sehnder Str. 28
> D-30559 Hannover
> TEL: +511 522313
> FAX: +511 8793208
> eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
> _______________________________________________
> Hannover-L mailing list
> Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l


Re: [HN] New subscriber

Date: 2002/11/15 21:52:18
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Margaret,

     There is a website that has  many passenger lists online. It is

http://istg.rootsweb.com/

     I found several Hattendorfs listed as passengers there, who were
arriving  in the U.S from Bremen Germany, but they are later than the dates
you give.  They came through Baltimore or New York.  This is a volunteer
organization that has entered many passenger lists and continue to do so. If
your ancestors are not listed, they may be there at a later time.
    If you wish to see what I found, go to that website, then choose any of
the first 5 volumes, when that page comes up, scroll to the bottom and do a
search there (with the Google that is limited to the ISTG).  It will bring
up the Hattendorfs.

Barbara Stewart 







on 11/14/02 2:54 PM, Margaret McCleskey at mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net
wrote:

> I am a new subscriber and new to Germany research and also new to
> researching immigrants to the U.S. from Germany.
> 
> I am looking for information on a man named Henry (Heinrich?)
> Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife Leonore (or other spellings), born
> 
> abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.
> 
> They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek, Calhoun County,
> Michigan, USA  According to that record, they were all born in
> Hannover.  Also listed are two more sons, John, b. November 1855 and
> Frank, b. abt 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
> year of immigration as 1855.
> 
> The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give Baden as the place
> 
> of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was given as Germany.
> 
> I would like to know how they got to the United States and in
> particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and down the St. Lawrence
> river to Michigan?
> 
> Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] New subscriber

Date: 2002/11/15 22:09:13
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Margaret,
     I also found  a website that might provide some clues.  They don't seem
to be the exact people you  speak of, but they are Hattendorfs and the names
of Henry and  Conrad are used. they just may be some relatives of your
Hattendorfs.
Check this:
 http://207.235.35.133/genealog2/monk2/html/surnames.HTM

Barbara Stewart



on 11/14/02 2:54 PM, Margaret McCleskey at mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net
wrote:

> I am a new subscriber and new to Germany research and also new to
> researching immigrants to the U.S. from Germany.
> 
> I am looking for information on a man named Henry (Heinrich?)
> Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife Leonore (or other spellings), born
> 
> abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.
> 
> They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek, Calhoun County,
> Michigan, USA  According to that record, they were all born in
> Hannover.  Also listed are two more sons, John, b. November 1855 and
> Frank, b. abt 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
> year of immigration as 1855.
> 
> The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give Baden as the place
> 
> of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was given as Germany.
> 
> I would like to know how they got to the United States and in
> particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and down the St. Lawrence
> river to Michigan?
> 
> Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] New subscriber

Date: 2002/11/15 22:25:47
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

Thank you for this information.  You are correct, none of them seem to be the
ones I am researching.  However, I suspect that they are related in some way.
I am not familiar with German naming patterns.

Margaret

Barbara Stewart wrote:

> Margaret,
>      I also found  a website that might provide some clues.  They don't seem
> to be the exact people you  speak of, but they are Hattendorfs and the names
> of Henry and  Conrad are used. they just may be some relatives of your
> Hattendorfs.
> Check this:
>  http://207.235.35.133/genealog2/monk2/html/surnames.HTM
>
> Barbara Stewart
>
> on 11/14/02 2:54 PM, Margaret McCleskey at mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net
> wrote:
>
> > I am a new subscriber and new to Germany research and also new to
> > researching immigrants to the U.S. from Germany.
> >
> > I am looking for information on a man named Henry (Heinrich?)
> > Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife Leonore (or other spellings), born
> >
> > abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.
> >
> > They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek, Calhoun County,
> > Michigan, USA  According to that record, they were all born in
> > Hannover.  Also listed are two more sons, John, b. November 1855 and
> > Frank, b. abt 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
> > year of immigration as 1855.
> >
> > The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give Baden as the place
> >
> > of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was given as Germany.
> >
> > I would like to know how they got to the United States and in
> > particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and down the St. Lawrence
> > river to Michigan?
> >
> > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
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Re: [HN] urgent/dringend

Date: 2002/11/15 23:29:14
From: Birgit Becker <BR-Becker(a)t-online.de>

Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

weshalb findet eigentlich in der Hannover-Liste der Schriftwechsel fast 
ausschließlich in Englisch statt?

Freundliche Grüße

Birgit Ruth Becker
Wetzlar-Dutenhofen

CHaupt schrieb:
Dear listmembers,

I think it is highly regrettable that there are people on this list, who search 
for professional genealogists, place an order and who finally do not settle the 
bill. These clients are being served with dedication and effort, and just take it 
for granted, but would not always get that much service elsewhere. And 
afterwards, they try to find some very flimsy reasons to avoid 
compensating the genealogist for the expenses or the time that was spent on the 
search. 
All of this happened recently, there was a person who searched for ancestors in 
Groß Berkel who acted this way.

Qualified people who work as genealogists, historians or information brokers or 
related tasks need to trust their business/ research parters that contracts are 
kept and that both parties can rely on each other. Perhaps, for a few people, the 
sum of $550 more or less on the bank account may be a matter of "peanuts", but 
this same sum can be the one that saves a 
freelance historian from going bankrupt.

What made me write the lines you have just read was not a feeling of revenge or 
anything of that sort. Far from it. But I wanted to motivate the abovementioned 
person, a president of a large international firm, either to give valid reasons 
for his refusal to pay or to settle the bill which I sent him on 9. September 
2002. 


Yours sincerely 

	Christoph Haupt

 
PS: I know that this is off-topic and hope that listmembers will understand that 
the circumstances are forcing me to take this step. 



-- 
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Sehnder Str. 28
D-30559 Hannover
TEL: +511 522313
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[HN] Listensprachen, was: urgent/dringend

Date: 2002/11/16 00:27:16
From: Juergen Drees <J.Drees(a)gmx.net>

[For english summary see below.]
Hallo Birgit,

Birgit Becker schrieb:
> weshalb findet eigentlich in der Hannover-Liste der Schriftwechsel fast
> ausschließlich in Englisch statt?

Ich halte es für puren Zufall, daß in letzter Zeit eher englische
e-Mails über diese Liste gelaufen sind. Die Liste ist prinzipiell
zweisprachig, d.h. sowohl englische als auch deutsche Anfragen und
Antworten sind gerne gesehen.

Es mag auch daran liegen, daß mehr Deutsche englisch können als
umgekehrt, und daher weniger Probleme haben, auch in der fremden
Sprache zu antworten.

Am angenehmsten für alle wäre es wohl, die e-Mails zweisprachig
abzufassen, was aber nicht jedem liegt und vielfach auch zu großen
Aufwand macht.

Es kann also jeder gerne in seiner Muttersprache schreiben, wer eine
Frage oder Antwort nicht versteht, muß dann eben um eine Übersetzung
bitten. Abgesehen davon verstehen viele Amerikaner auch in deutsch
verfaßte E-Mails, nur die Antwort wird dann häufig in englisch
geschrieben, da sie in der eigenen Sprache doch sicherer sind.

Viele Grüße

Jürgen
Co-Administrator der Hannover-L-Liste
------------ english summary -------------
Birgit asked why most of the recently sent emails were written in
English language. 

I answered that this list is bilingual and it is up to the sender to
write in either English or German language. Both language are equally
welcome. Most people in this list do understand both languages or at
least get the gist of a message. If a list member doesn't understand a
message written in a foreign language, then he may ask for a
translation. 

Kind regards, 

Juergen
Co-Administrator of Hannover-L mailing list
-- 
-------------------=======######======-------------------
Juergen Drees                          38106 Braunschweig
mailto:J.Drees(a)tu-bs.de               Deutschland/Germany


Re: [HN] urgent/dringend

Date: 2002/11/16 01:04:15
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

We would need the approval of the LIST ADMIN in order to PUBLISH a persons
name...
I would trust that CHaupt will let us know when PAYMENT has been received!
Yes?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas J. Kerr" <tjkerr(a)erols.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] urgent/dringend


> A list member:
>
> I would like to add that I would have no problem if  the person who did
> the research and was cheated out of agreed upon funds to publish the
> name of the person who refused to pay his just bills.
>
> A person does this sort of  act  harms all who use the internet for
> research.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "... valentine53179" <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] urgent/dringend
>
>
> > A deal is a deal...
> > If you can't do the work yourself, and you have requested the work to be
> > done, then pay the BILL! Or at Christmas time, when you brag about a-l-l
the
> > WONDERFUL information that you found, and those around you give you such
> > praise and sit in AWE of you, remember that you have been sneaky and
cheated
> > someone else of the funds that you owe!
> > Remember it.
> >
> > The bill is due, it has been due, and you are late..
> > Sounds like INTEREST on the original amount is due!
> >
> > FURTHER, it is people who do not pay their bills that make it hard for
> > people like me to gain the services of a researcher far from home.
> > Please do not compound our problems of distance with problems of
distrust!
> > Pay the bill!
> >
> > valentine
> > PS..Now I have not gone back to see exactly WHO was searching for
> > Groß Berkel residence..I would prefer not to know, but if CHaupt doesn't
get
> > his mulla, then we will just have to search our memories.won''t we?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "CHaupt" <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>
> > To: "Liste Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:51 AM
> > Subject: [HN] urgent/dringend
> >
> >
> > Dear listmembers,
> >
> > I think it is highly regrettable that there are people on this list, who
> > search for professional genealogists, place an order and who finally do
not
> > settle the bill. These clients are being served with dedication and
effort,
> > and just take it for granted, but would not always get that much service
> > elsewhere. And afterwards, they try to find some very flimsy reasons to
> > avoid
> > compensating the genealogist for the expenses or the time that was spent
on
> > the search.
> > All of this happened recently, there was a person who searched for
ancestors
> > in Groß Berkel who acted this way.
> >
> > Qualified people who work as genealogists, historians or information
brokers
> > or related tasks need to trust their business/ research parters that
> > contracts are kept and that both parties can rely on each other.
Perhaps,
> > for a few people, the sum of $550 more or less on the bank account may
be a
> > matter of "peanuts", but this same sum can be the one that saves a
> > freelance historian from going bankrupt.
> >
> > What made me write the lines you have just read was not a feeling of
revenge
> > or anything of that sort. Far from it. But I wanted to motivate the
> > abovementioned person, a president of a large international firm, either
to
> > give valid reasons for his refusal to pay or to settle the bill which I
sent
> > him on 9. September 2002.
> >
> >
> > Yours sincerely
> >
> > Christoph Haupt
> >
> >
> > PS: I know that this is off-topic and hope that listmembers will
understand
> > that the circumstances are forcing me to take this step.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Haupt'S finden&suchen
> > Christoph Haupt
> > Sehnder Str. 28
> > D-30559 Hannover
> > TEL: +511 522313
> > FAX: +511 8793208
> > eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> >
>
>
>
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[HN] Re Immigration to USA pre 1855

Date: 2002/11/16 12:42:23
From: Lorine McGinnis Schulze <otg(a)csolve.net>

 on 11/14/02 2:54 PM, Margaret McCleskey at
> mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net wrote:

> >
> > I am looking for information on a man named Henry
> > (Heinrich?) Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife
> > Leonore (or other spellings), born
> >
> > abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.
> >
> > They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek,
> > Calhoun County, Michigan, USA  According to that record,
> > they were all born in Hannover.  Also listed are two
> > more sons, John, b. November 1855 and Frank, b. abt
> > 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
> > year of immigration as 1855.
> >
> > The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give
> > Baden as the place
> >
> > of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was
> > given as Germany.
> >
> > I would like to know how they got to the United States
> > and in particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and
> > down the St. Lawrence river to Michigan?
> >

Hello Margaret,

You have several options for finding their immigration records. 
First, you might want to visit GERMANS TO USA at 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml

Since you don't know their country of entery (USA or Canada) 
for sure, you should start at Germans to USA. It has research 
ideas for those hard-to-find ancestors immigration, lists of 
CDs, online databases  and so on. 

A CD that may be of most interest to you is "Germans to 
America, 1850-1874" It gives age, gender, occupation, place of 
origin, and date of arrival for 2 million German immigrants to 
United States. I don't have a copy so can't look up your names 
for you :-(

There is a very good online database of Hamburg Emigration 
Lists searchable database of 5 million people (Russian, German, 
Jewish, Austrian) who emigrated from Hamburg, Germany from 1850 
to 1934 mostly to the United States. This might not have your 
ancestors, but it's free so is worth a look. I have a link to 
it at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml

You can also search online for ships in the right time period, 
by using the custom search engines found for USA at 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml and for 
Canada at 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml

These search engines search multiple websites - but only those 
with passenger lists arriving in the area of interest. The USA 
one is broken up into many smaller search engines, each custom 
built to search by state of arrival. 

If you can narrow the time frame for your family's immigration, 
you can view microfilmed records (if they arrived in USA). If 
they arrived at a Canadian port, your search will be much more 
difficult (but not impossible) since Canadian passenger records 
were not archived before 1865. There are scattered lists though 
-for a complete list of what is available, where it is, and how 
to get it, please see 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml

If this URL above wraps to 2 lines, go to 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/articles.shtml and 
choose Immigration to Canada 
before 1865

Next idea- have you looked for naturalization records? Or have 
you found your family in the 1900, 1910 or 1920 census to get a 
year 
of immigration to the USA? If you want more info on this 
process, see 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/usa_naturalization.shtml
There are also searchable online databases found at this URL to 
search naturalization records by state, plus info on how to 
obtain records if there isnt' an online database.

I think I've given you enough to get you started in other 
areas, if you find out more details or a more precise 
immigration arrival, please let me know and I'll be happy to 
help you further

Lorine**Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml

**Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml

**Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml

otg(a)csolve.net




[HN] To USA ca 1857

Date: 2002/11/16 12:59:06
From: Lorine McGinnis Schulze <otg(a)csolve.net>

Date: 2002/11/09 01:34:01
From: "Fred Layman" <sgo(a)adweb.net> 

>>I am researching the history of my gg grandfather Frederick H 
>>Layman of Hannover, Germany.

>>FREDERICK H LAYMAN was born on or around February 16, 1830 in 
Hannover,
>>Germany and on or about 1857. When he was around the age of 
>>27 he immigrated
>>to the United States. It is believed his first stop was 
>>around Posey County,
>>Indiana and then later settled near Benton, Illinois in 
>>>>Franklin County
>>after a short time in or around Carmi, Illinois.

Hello Fred,

Have you checked the online databases for your ancestor? I went 
to the Hamburg Emigration Lists searchable database of 5 
million people (Russian, German, Jewish, Austrian) who 
emigrated from Hamburg, Germany from 1850 to 1934 mostly to the 
United States, and found several FRIEDRICH LEHMAN(N) some 
arrving in or near your time period. 

You can get there from 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml

Since you haven't found your man in an 1860 census, is it 
possible he arrived a bit later than you thought? There is a 
FRIEDRICH LEHMAN(N) arriving in NY in 1858/9 and one in 1860 
via Quebec (Canada)

If you haven't used this database before, here's a tip - use 
the wildcard feature (%) to  allow for various interpretations 
of the name. For eg. use under SURNAME "l%m%n" and under FIRST 
NAME, try something like "fr%"

Good luck
Lorine

**Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml

**Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml

**Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml

otg(a)csolve.net




[HN] Dunkelhausen

Date: 2002/11/16 14:32:39
From: Diane <ddymond(a)i-is.com>

I have an ancestor that I found the passenger list for him and it states he was from Dunkelhausen but I cannot find a town in Germany by that name.  Any help for a town similar to this would be appreciated.

Diane Dymond


Re: [HN] Dunkelhausen

Date: 2002/11/16 15:30:18
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>

Hallo Diane,
it seems to be that there is no DUNKELHAUSEN in Germany.
look at the list, it might be   DINKELHAUSEN
---> Dinkelhausen = 37170 Uslar
                  it might be   DINKELSHAUSEN
---> Dinkelshausen = 86676 Ehekirchen 

Klaus Vahlbruch
***********************************************************


Diane schrieb:
> 
> I have an ancestor that I found the passenger list for him and it states he was from Dunkelhausen but I cannot find a town in Germany by that name.  Any help for a town similar to this would be appreciated.
> 
> Diane Dymond
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: [HN] Dunkelhausen

Date: 2002/11/16 17:00:00
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Diane,
     The Falk Autoatlas Deutschland shows a Dunkelhäuser near the Polish
border north of Görlitz.  It is a very small village.




on 11/16/02 7:28 AM, Klaus Vahlbruch at klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de wrote:

> Hallo Diane,
> it seems to be that there is no DUNKELHAUSEN in Germany.
> look at the list, it might be   DINKELHAUSEN
> ---> Dinkelhausen = 37170 Uslar
> it might be   DINKELSHAUSEN
> ---> Dinkelshausen = 86676 Ehekirchen
> 
> Klaus Vahlbruch
> ***********************************************************
> 
> 
> Diane schrieb:
>> 
>> I have an ancestor that I found the passenger list for him and it states he
>> was from Dunkelhausen but I cannot find a town in Germany by that name.  Any
>> help for a town similar to this would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Diane Dymond
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Hannover-L mailing list
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>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
> 
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Re: [HN] Dunkelhausen

Date: 2002/11/16 17:16:00
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Diane,
possibly it might be DANKELSHAUSEN
                = 37127 Scheden (Niedersachsen)
Rolf Schulenburg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Vahlbruch" <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Dunkelhausen


> Hallo Diane,
> it seems to be that there is no DUNKELHAUSEN in Germany.
> look at the list, it might be   DINKELHAUSEN
> ---> Dinkelhausen = 37170 Uslar
>                   it might be   DINKELSHAUSEN
> ---> Dinkelshausen = 86676 Ehekirchen
>
> Klaus Vahlbruch
> ***********************************************************
>
>
> Diane schrieb:
> >
> > I have an ancestor that I found the passenger list for him and it states
he was from Dunkelhausen but I cannot find a town in Germany by that name.
Any help for a town similar to this would be appreciated.
> >
> > Diane Dymond
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Hannover-L mailing list
> > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net
> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
>
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[HN] Königliche Schloßgemeinde zu Hannover (Familie Lau e/Förstern)

Date: 2002/11/16 17:43:54
From: Joachim Krull <joachim.krull(a)ewetel.net>

Sehr geehrte Listenteilnehmer,
 
ich suche nach Vorfahren, die in der Schloßgemeinde zu Hannover gelebt haben.

Es geht es um Antoinette Friederike Quinard (geb. Laue), geboren in der Schloßgemeinde zu Hannover am 15 Juni 1795. Tochter des Johann Heinrich Laue (Vorreiter im königlichen Marstall zu Hannover) und dessen Ehefrau Johanne Maria Margarethe Laue (geb. Förstern). Antoinette ist am 07. April 1857 in Hoya verstorben. Verheiratet war Sie mit Eduard Quinard (Bürger und Maler zu Hoya). Die Traung fand am 29. August 1819 in Hoya statt.

Ich möchte Sie nun fragen, ob  Sie über die o.g. Namen schon einmal gestolpert sind. 
Sollte es Ihnen möglich sein, zusätzlich Informationen oder Kontaktstellen zur Schloßgemeinde zu Hannover zu nennen, so wäre ich Ihnen für diese Bemühungen sehr dankbar.

Für Ihre Hilfe wäre ich sehr dankbar.

Mit freundlichen Gruß und guten Wünschen für Ihre eigenen Forschungen 
Joachim Krull

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Joachim Krull, Blumenstraße 19, 26725 Emden, Telefon 04921-918791
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Re: [HN] Dunkelhausen

Date: 2002/11/16 17:44:52
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Dunkelhausen is not present in Germany.
What I found is this:

- village Dankelshausen as a part of the community Scheden zipcode 37127, between Kassel and Göttingen,Street B3

- village Dunkelsdorf as a part of the communty Ahrensbök zipcode 23621 in Schleswig-Holstein

Werner

> I have an ancestor that I found the passenger list for him and it states
> he was from Dunkelhausen but I cannot find a town in Germany by that name.
> Any help for a town similar to this would be appreciated.

> Diane Dymond

> _______________________________________________
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[HN] A good SITE to check for ANYTHING GERMAN!!!!!!!!

Date: 2002/11/16 18:16:10
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

When looking for anything GERMAN,
I always start out here.....

the website http: //go.to/hessen and read "The Hessen Story and How to Research," and if there are still have questions, contact Don Watsondwat(a)cox.net, or the mailing list....hessengenweb

It has translators, maps, history, data bases, etc etc etc etc


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at valentine53179(a)hotmail.com

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Re: [HN] A good SITE to check for ANYTHING GERMAN!!!!!!!!

Date: 2002/11/16 18:22:09
From: ... valentine53179 <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>

oops!

Don Watson at      dwat(a)cox.net

valentine____________________
at valentine53179(a)hotmail.com

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From: "... valentine53179" <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] A good SITE to check for ANYTHING GERMAN!!!!!!!!
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:15:08 -0600

When looking for anything GERMAN,
I always start out here.....

the website http: //go.to/hessen and read "The Hessen Story and How to Research," and if there are still have questions, contact Don Watsondwat(a)cox.net, or the mailing list....hessengenweb

It has translators, maps, history, data bases, etc etc etc etc


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[HN] Zufallsfunde Kirchennebenbücher Hannover

Date: 2002/11/16 19:20:22
From: Werner Kaschta <werner.kaschta(a)nwn.de>

Hallo Klaus,

habe Deine Antwortmail v. 15.11. wg. JORDAN, Hannover, zwar kurz bemerkt,
doch plötzlich sie verschwunden. Falls möglich, sende mir die mail bitte
noch einmal.

Im voraus herzlichen Dank.

Werner (Kaschta)



Re: [HN] A good SITE to check for ANYTHING GERMAN!!!!!!!!

Date: 2002/11/16 20:13:16
From: Lois74 <Lois1926(a)webtv.net>

I have tried the site you listed....does not
work.  Could you give the site address
again?

Thank you ...... looking forward to using
this Hessen site.  Appreciate your help!

Lois Webber
Panama City Beach, Fl.



Re: [HN] A good SITE to check for ANYTHING GERMAN!!!!!!!!

Date: 2002/11/16 20:19:26
From: John Best <jebest(a)flash.net>

Here is the Hessen site URL

http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lois74" <Lois1926(a)webtv.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] A good SITE to check for ANYTHING GERMAN!!!!!!!!


> I have tried the site you listed....does not
> work.  Could you give the site address
> again?
> 
> Thank you ...... looking forward to using
> this Hessen site.  Appreciate your help!
> 
> Lois Webber
> Panama City Beach, Fl.
> 
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Re: [HN] A good SITE to check for ANYTHING GERMAN!!!!!!!!

Date: 2002/11/16 20:41:59
From: Lois74 <Lois1926(a)webtv.net>

Thank you, John!!
Looks like a lot of great info at this site..
am anxious to "dig" into it.
Appreciate you giving us this site and your
reply.  Always find help on this list. 
Good Luck with all your searches.....have
a great weekend.



Re: [HN] Hattendorf

Date: 2002/11/17 01:43:52
From: John Siemon <jsiemon(a)bcpl.net>

Margaret,

I  looked for your Hattendorf's on the "Germans to America" CD that Lorine
mentions below, but I didn't reply the other night, because I did not find
them.  There are a number of Hattendorf's listed, but none that closely
match the names, ages or dates of arrival that you provided.  I even checked
some close spellings I could think of.

I've copied info on 4 remote possibilities below.  I think the last two are
the same person who got in twice with slightly different info.  There was an
H. who arrived in 1861 and about 6 Heinrichs who all arrived after 1865.
There is no Leonore, and the 2 Conrads are not close to yours.

I didn't want you to hunt all over or buy this CD just to look for them.

John

Passenger's Name: Heinrich Hattendorf
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Last Residence: Hanover
Final Destination: New Orleans
Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA
Manifest ID Number: 00018614
Port of Embarkation: Bremen
Mode of Travel: Steerage

Passenger's Name: Joh. Heinr. Hattendorf
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Last Residence: Germany
Date of Arrival: Dec 22, 1854
Final Destination: United States
Ship's Name: Johann
Port of Embarkation: Bremen
Port of Debarkation: New York

Passenger's Name: H. Hattendorf
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Last Residence: Osten in Germany
Date of Arrival: May 17, 1850
Final Destination: United States
Ship's Name: Hudson
Manifest ID Number:   6477
Port of Embarkation: Bremen
Port of Debarkation: New York

Passenger's Name: H. Hattendorf
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Last Residence: Osten in Germany
Date of Arrival: May 7, 1850
Final Destination: United States
Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA
Ship's Name: Hudson
Captain's Name: J. Herm Hohorst
Manifest ID Number: 00006477
Port of Embarkation: Bremen
Mode of Travel: Steerage


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <otg(a)csolve.net>
To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:39 AM
Subject: [HN] Re Immigration to USA pre 1855


> on 11/14/02 2:54 PM, Margaret McCleskey at
> > mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> > >
> > > I am looking for information on a man named Henry
> > > (Heinrich?) Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife
> > > Leonore (or other spellings), born
> > >
> > > abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.
> > >
> > > They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek,
> > > Calhoun County, Michigan, USA  According to that record,
> > > they were all born in Hannover.  Also listed are two
> > > more sons, John, b. November 1855 and Frank, b. abt
> > > 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
> > > year of immigration as 1855.
> > >
> > > The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give
> > > Baden as the place
> > >
> > > of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was
> > > given as Germany.
> > >
> > > I would like to know how they got to the United States
> > > and in particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and
> > > down the St. Lawrence river to Michigan?
> > >
>
> Hello Margaret,
>
> You have several options for finding their immigration records.
> First, you might want to visit GERMANS TO USA at
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml
>
> Since you don't know their country of entery (USA or Canada)
> for sure, you should start at Germans to USA. It has research
> ideas for those hard-to-find ancestors immigration, lists of
> CDs, online databases  and so on.
>
> A CD that may be of most interest to you is "Germans to
> America, 1850-1874" It gives age, gender, occupation, place of
> origin, and date of arrival for 2 million German immigrants to
> United States. I don't have a copy so can't look up your names
> for you :-(
>
> There is a very good online database of Hamburg Emigration
> Lists searchable database of 5 million people (Russian, German,
> Jewish, Austrian) who emigrated from Hamburg, Germany from 1850
> to 1934 mostly to the United States. This might not have your
> ancestors, but it's free so is worth a look. I have a link to
> it at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml
>
> You can also search online for ships in the right time period,
> by using the custom search engines found for USA at
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml and for
> Canada at
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml
>
> These search engines search multiple websites - but only those
> with passenger lists arriving in the area of interest. The USA
> one is broken up into many smaller search engines, each custom
> built to search by state of arrival.
>
> If you can narrow the time frame for your family's immigration,
> you can view microfilmed records (if they arrived in USA). If
> they arrived at a Canadian port, your search will be much more
> difficult (but not impossible) since Canadian passenger records
> were not archived before 1865. There are scattered lists though
> -for a complete list of what is available, where it is, and how
> to get it, please see
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml
>
> If this URL above wraps to 2 lines, go to
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/articles.shtml and
> choose Immigration to Canada
> before 1865
>
> Next idea- have you looked for naturalization records? Or have
> you found your family in the 1900, 1910 or 1920 census to get a
> year
> of immigration to the USA? If you want more info on this
> process, see
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/usa_naturalization.shtml
> There are also searchable online databases found at this URL to
> search naturalization records by state, plus info on how to
> obtain records if there isnt' an online database.
>
> I think I've given you enough to get you started in other
> areas, if you find out more details or a more precise
> immigration arrival, please let me know and I'll be happy to
> help you further
>
> Lorine**Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml
>
> **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml
>
> **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand
> http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml
>
> otg(a)csolve.net
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Hattendorf

Date: 2002/11/17 06:42:34
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

John,

I really do appreciate what you did.  I am beginning to think that Henry and
family came in through Canada.

Margaret McCleskey

John Siemon wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> I  looked for your Hattendorf's on the "Germans to America" CD that Lorine
> mentions below, but I didn't reply the other night, because I did not find
> them.  There are a number of Hattendorf's listed, but none that closely
> match the names, ages or dates of arrival that you provided.  I even checked
> some close spellings I could think of.
>
> I've copied info on 4 remote possibilities below.  I think the last two are
> the same person who got in twice with slightly different info.  There was an
> H. who arrived in 1861 and about 6 Heinrichs who all arrived after 1865.
> There is no Leonore, and the 2 Conrads are not close to yours.
>
> I didn't want you to hunt all over or buy this CD just to look for them.
>
> John
>
> Passenger's Name: Heinrich Hattendorf
> Age: 22
> Gender: Male
> Last Residence: Hanover
> Final Destination: New Orleans
> Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA
> Manifest ID Number: 00018614
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Mode of Travel: Steerage
>
> Passenger's Name: Joh. Heinr. Hattendorf
> Age: 27
> Gender: Male
> Occupation: Farmer
> Last Residence: Germany
> Date of Arrival: Dec 22, 1854
> Final Destination: United States
> Ship's Name: Johann
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Port of Debarkation: New York
>
> Passenger's Name: H. Hattendorf
> Age: 23
> Gender: Male
> Occupation: Farmer
> Last Residence: Osten in Germany
> Date of Arrival: May 17, 1850
> Final Destination: United States
> Ship's Name: Hudson
> Manifest ID Number:   6477
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Port of Debarkation: New York
>
> Passenger's Name: H. Hattendorf
> Age: 23
> Gender: Male
> Occupation: Farmer
> Last Residence: Osten in Germany
> Date of Arrival: May 7, 1850
> Final Destination: United States
> Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA
> Ship's Name: Hudson
> Captain's Name: J. Herm Hohorst
> Manifest ID Number: 00006477
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Mode of Travel: Steerage
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <otg(a)csolve.net>
> To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Cc: <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:39 AM
> Subject: [HN] Re Immigration to USA pre 1855
>
> > on 11/14/02 2:54 PM, Margaret McCleskey at
> > > mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for information on a man named Henry
> > > > (Heinrich?) Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife
> > > > Leonore (or other spellings), born
> > > >
> > > > abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.
> > > >
> > > > They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek,
> > > > Calhoun County, Michigan, USA  According to that record,
> > > > they were all born in Hannover.  Also listed are two
> > > > more sons, John, b. November 1855 and Frank, b. abt
> > > > 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
> > > > year of immigration as 1855.
> > > >
> > > > The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give
> > > > Baden as the place
> > > >
> > > > of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was
> > > > given as Germany.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to know how they got to the United States
> > > > and in particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and
> > > > down the St. Lawrence river to Michigan?
> > > >
> >
> > Hello Margaret,
> >
> > You have several options for finding their immigration records.
> > First, you might want to visit GERMANS TO USA at
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml
> >
> > Since you don't know their country of entery (USA or Canada)
> > for sure, you should start at Germans to USA. It has research
> > ideas for those hard-to-find ancestors immigration, lists of
> > CDs, online databases  and so on.
> >
> > A CD that may be of most interest to you is "Germans to
> > America, 1850-1874" It gives age, gender, occupation, place of
> > origin, and date of arrival for 2 million German immigrants to
> > United States. I don't have a copy so can't look up your names
> > for you :-(
> >
> > There is a very good online database of Hamburg Emigration
> > Lists searchable database of 5 million people (Russian, German,
> > Jewish, Austrian) who emigrated from Hamburg, Germany from 1850
> > to 1934 mostly to the United States. This might not have your
> > ancestors, but it's free so is worth a look. I have a link to
> > it at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml
> >
> > You can also search online for ships in the right time period,
> > by using the custom search engines found for USA at
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml and for
> > Canada at
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml
> >
> > These search engines search multiple websites - but only those
> > with passenger lists arriving in the area of interest. The USA
> > one is broken up into many smaller search engines, each custom
> > built to search by state of arrival.
> >
> > If you can narrow the time frame for your family's immigration,
> > you can view microfilmed records (if they arrived in USA). If
> > they arrived at a Canadian port, your search will be much more
> > difficult (but not impossible) since Canadian passenger records
> > were not archived before 1865. There are scattered lists though
> > -for a complete list of what is available, where it is, and how
> > to get it, please see
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml
> >
> > If this URL above wraps to 2 lines, go to
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/articles.shtml and
> > choose Immigration to Canada
> > before 1865
> >
> > Next idea- have you looked for naturalization records? Or have
> > you found your family in the 1900, 1910 or 1920 census to get a
> > year
> > of immigration to the USA? If you want more info on this
> > process, see
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/usa_naturalization.shtml
> > There are also searchable online databases found at this URL to
> > search naturalization records by state, plus info on how to
> > obtain records if there isnt' an online database.
> >
> > I think I've given you enough to get you started in other
> > areas, if you find out more details or a more precise
> > immigration arrival, please let me know and I'll be happy to
> > help you further
> >
> > Lorine**Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml
> >
> > **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml
> >
> > **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml
> >
> > otg(a)csolve.net
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [HN] Hattendorf

Date: 2002/11/17 12:20:08
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

> Passenger's Name: H. Hattendorf
> Age: 23
> Gender: Male
> Occupation: Farmer
> Last Residence: Osten in Germany
> Date of Arrival: May 7, 1850
> Final Destination: United States
> Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA
> Ship's Name: Hudson
> Captain's Name: J. Herm Hohorst
> Manifest ID Number: 00006477
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Mode of Travel: Steerage


We have a village called Osten-Oste zipcode 21756, not far from Stade near the Elbe river.But there lives not an Hattendorf today.
In Osterholz-Scharmbeck, close to Bremen, you can find Hattendorf addresses.

Werner


[HN] http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm Germany Search Site

Date: 2002/11/17 16:25:59
From: Nannette Morgan <Bluebarron1(a)msn.com>

FYI Listers :
http://members.cox.net/hessen/index.htm


See & Capture A Rainbow in a Smile!
** Nannette **
;>} :>] 8>) :>) 8>} ;>) <^<>^>

[HN] Reichsexekution gegen Mecklenburg

Date: 2002/11/17 16:33:20
From: Michael Klees <mklees(a)t-online.de>

 Liebe Listenteilnehmer,

in SVZ-Online heißt es zu der Reichsexekution gegen Mecklenburg:

   Zum anderen wirkten die verheerenden Folgen des Dreißigjährigen
   Krieges in Mecklenburg lange nach. Die zusätzlichen Belastungen
   durch die ständigen Aufmärsche anderer Mächte trugen zur Stagnation
   der Wirtschaft bei. Die Gesindeordnung des Jahres 1654 schrieb für
   mehr als anderthalb Jahrhunderte die Leibeigenschaft als das
   Dominierende der mecklenburgischen Gesellschaft fest, der Adel - die
   Ritterschaft der Ständeordnung - gab auch gegenüber dem Landesherrn
   den Ton an. Wer wie Herzog Carl Leopold daran etwas zu ändern
   versuchte, erhielt eine Abfuhr.


         pp.

   An der 1719 eigeleiteten Reichsexekution gegen ihn war Preußen
   wiederum führend beteiligt, unterstützt von den auf Brandenburger
   Gebiet geflohenen mecklenburgischen Adligen. Die auferlegten
   Kontributionen zahlte die Bevölkerung, und der eingesetzte Herzog
   Christian Ludwig II. sah sich gezwungen, mehrere Ämter an Preußen
   und Hannover zu verpachten.


An dieser Reichsexekution nahm auch mein Ur-ur-usw. Großvater teil. Dazu heißt es in unserer Familienchronik:

   Caspar Wildhagen, Korporal im Hannoverschen Dragoner- Regiment von
   dem Bussche, heiratet um 1735 die am 9. März 1714 in Zarrentin
   getaufte Anna Margaret Strokarck, Tochter des Hauswirts Jochim
   Strokarck aus Lüttow und dessen Ehefrau Elsche geb. Buecken. Am 7.
   Nov. 1736 wird der in Dreilingen geborene Sohn Johann Heinrich in
   Eimke getauft. 1744 wird Caspar Wildhagen entlassen und 1745 zum
   Schulmeister in Schadeland ernannt. Er stirbt um 1760.

Kann mir jemand etwas zu Caspar Wildhagen sagen? Ich nehme mal an, daß er ursprünglich aus dem Hannöverschen stammt.

Vielen Dank für - hoffentlich positive - Zuschriften.
Michael Klees


[HN] "Al Shean"

Date: 2002/11/17 16:50:29
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Liebe Listenmitglieder,

Am 12. Mai 1868 wurde in Dornum/Ostfriesland wurde der Albert (Alfred, Adolph ?) Schoenberg geboren, der etwa 1891 Johann NN heiratete. Seine Frau starb 1941.
Herr Schoenberg - besser bekannt als Al Shean - starb am 12. August 1949 in New York, NY, USA an einem Herzleiden.

Ich habe nun folgende Fragen:
a)    wie hießen seine Eltern?
b)    wann und wo heiratete er?
c)    wie hieß seine Frau mit Mädchennamen und wo wurde sie geboren?
d)    wann und wo starb seine Frau?

Für jeden Hinweis wäre ich dankbar.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Hans-Georg Boyken



[HN] WICHMANN in Dorum

Date: 2002/11/18 03:43:04
From: Scott Wichmann <wichmann9(a)charter.net>

I am searching for Eibe Henning WICHMANN, born 1843, Dorum.  He came to the US 1866-1870 and settled in Wisconsin.  (Family tradition says he was a soldier in the Austro-Prussian War)
Death Certificate says:
Occupation:  Carpenter, cabinet maker
Father:  Henry
Mother:  Katherine

Brother:  F. H. WICHMANN, sent note from Cappel Neufeld
Brother:  Johann Hinrich WICHMANN, sent letter embossed "Bath" from Cappel Neufeld
Nephew:  Rudolph MEHREN, sent letter embossed "Dorum" in 1887 (says uncle Hinrich not interested in leaving since he is exempt from military service).
Thank you for any help you can give me.
    Scott Wichmann

Re: [HN] WICHMANN in Dorum

Date: 2002/11/18 06:41:55
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Scott,
     The LDS (Morman) library does have microfilm for the church in Dorum.
If you live anywhere near one of their libraries, you could order the film
and view it.  It would be the original records and covers from 1715-1852. If
they lived there in that time period you could track his ancestors from
there. Go to Familysearch.org, click on "search for ancestors", go to the
Family History Library Catalog, and do a place search  for Dorum.
    Perhaps you have  already looked there..

on 11/17/02 7:46 PM, Scott Wichmann at wichmann9(a)charter.net wrote:

> I am searching for Eibe Henning WICHMANN, born 1843, Dorum.  He came to the US
> 1866-1870 and settled in Wisconsin.  (Family tradition says he was a soldier
> in the Austro-Prussian War)
> Death Certificate says:
> Occupation:  Carpenter, cabinet maker
> Father:  Henry
> Mother:  Katherine
> 
> Brother:  F. H. WICHMANN, sent note from Cappel Neufeld
> Brother:  Johann Hinrich WICHMANN, sent letter embossed "Bath" from Cappel
> Neufeld
> Nephew:  Rudolph MEHREN, sent letter embossed "Dorum" in 1887 (says uncle
> Hinrich not interested in leaving since he is exempt from military service).
> Thank you for any help you can give me.
> Scott Wichmann
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Re: [HN] Hattendorf

Date: 2002/11/18 15:42:07
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>






Dear Margaret,

I have noticed that many folks from mid 1800's Hannover came to the midwest, many to St. Louis, Missouri and various locales in Illinois, through the Port of New Orleans. I suppose they came up the river after landing in New Orleans. Maybe a riverboat of some kind?

Maybe they could have taken the river route up from New Orleans to the Michigan area, sinse Michigan is also somewhat midwestern.


Barb

From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Hattendorf
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:39:01 -0600

John,

I really do appreciate what you did. I am beginning to think that Henry and
family came in through Canada.

Margaret McCleskey

John Siemon wrote:

> Margaret,
>
> I looked for your Hattendorf's on the "Germans to America" CD that Lorine > mentions below, but I didn't reply the other night, because I did not find
> them.  There are a number of Hattendorf's listed, but none that closely
> match the names, ages or dates of arrival that you provided. I even checked
> some close spellings I could think of.
>
> I've copied info on 4 remote possibilities below. I think the last two are > the same person who got in twice with slightly different info. There was an
> H. who arrived in 1861 and about 6 Heinrichs who all arrived after 1865.
> There is no Leonore, and the 2 Conrads are not close to yours.
>
> I didn't want you to hunt all over or buy this CD just to look for them.
>
> John
>
> Passenger's Name: Heinrich Hattendorf
> Age: 22
> Gender: Male
> Last Residence: Hanover
> Final Destination: New Orleans
> Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA
> Manifest ID Number: 00018614
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Mode of Travel: Steerage
>
> Passenger's Name: Joh. Heinr. Hattendorf
> Age: 27
> Gender: Male
> Occupation: Farmer
> Last Residence: Germany
> Date of Arrival: Dec 22, 1854
> Final Destination: United States
> Ship's Name: Johann
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Port of Debarkation: New York
>
> Passenger's Name: H. Hattendorf
> Age: 23
> Gender: Male
> Occupation: Farmer
> Last Residence: Osten in Germany
> Date of Arrival: May 17, 1850
> Final Destination: United States
> Ship's Name: Hudson
> Manifest ID Number:   6477
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Port of Debarkation: New York
>
> Passenger's Name: H. Hattendorf
> Age: 23
> Gender: Male
> Occupation: Farmer
> Last Residence: Osten in Germany
> Date of Arrival: May 7, 1850
> Final Destination: United States
> Purpose for Travel: Staying in the USA
> Ship's Name: Hudson
> Captain's Name: J. Herm Hohorst
> Manifest ID Number: 00006477
> Port of Embarkation: Bremen
> Mode of Travel: Steerage
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lorine McGinnis Schulze" <otg(a)csolve.net>
> To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net>
> Cc: <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:39 AM
> Subject: [HN] Re Immigration to USA pre 1855
>
> > on 11/14/02 2:54 PM, Margaret McCleskey at
> > > mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for information on a man named Henry
> > > > (Heinrich?) Hattendorf, b. abt 1822, and his wife
> > > > Leonore (or other spellings), born
> > > >
> > > > abt 1819 and son, Conrad, b. September 1849.
> > > >
> > > > They are found on the 1860 U.S. Census in Battle Creek,
> > > > Calhoun County, Michigan, USA  According to that record,
> > > > they were all born in Hannover.  Also listed are two
> > > > more sons, John, b. November 1855 and Frank, b. abt
> > > > 1859, who were  born in Michigan.  One source gives the
> > > > year of immigration as 1855.
> > > >
> > > > The 1880 U.S. census records for John and Conrad give
> > > > Baden as the place
> > > >
> > > > of birth for the parents.  In subsequent years, it was
> > > > given as Germany.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to know how they got to the United States
> > > > and in particular, Michigan.  Did they go to Canada and
> > > > down the St. Lawrence river to Michigan?
> > > >
> >
> > Hello Margaret,
> >
> > You have several options for finding their immigration records.
> > First, you might want to visit GERMANS TO USA at
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml
> >
> > Since you don't know their country of entery (USA or Canada)
> > for sure, you should start at Germans to USA. It has research
> > ideas for those hard-to-find ancestors immigration, lists of
> > CDs, online databases  and so on.
> >
> > A CD that may be of most interest to you is "Germans to
> > America, 1850-1874" It gives age, gender, occupation, place of
> > origin, and date of arrival for 2 million German immigrants to
> > United States. I don't have a copy so can't look up your names
> > for you :-(
> >
> > There is a very good online database of Hamburg Emigration
> > Lists searchable database of 5 million people (Russian, German,
> > Jewish, Austrian) who emigrated from Hamburg, Germany from 1850
> > to 1934 mostly to the United States. This might not have your
> > ancestors, but it's free so is worth a look. I have a link to
> > it at http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml
> >
> > You can also search online for ships in the right time period,
> > by using the custom search engines found for USA at
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml and for
> > Canada at
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml
> >
> > These search engines search multiple websites - but only those
> > with passenger lists arriving in the area of interest. The USA
> > one is broken up into many smaller search engines, each custom
> > built to search by state of arrival.
> >
> > If you can narrow the time frame for your family's immigration,
> > you can view microfilmed records (if they arrived in USA). If
> > they arrived at a Canadian port, your search will be much more
> > difficult (but not impossible) since Canadian passenger records
> > were not archived before 1865. There are scattered lists though
> > -for a complete list of what is available, where it is, and how
> > to get it, please see
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/immcanpre1865.shtml
> >
> > If this URL above wraps to 2 lines, go to
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/articles/articles.shtml and
> > choose Immigration to Canada
> > before 1865
> >
> > Next idea- have you looked for naturalization records? Or have
> > you found your family in the 1900, 1910 or 1920 census to get a
> > year
> > of immigration to the USA? If you want more info on this
> > process, see
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/usa_naturalization.shtml
> > There are also searchable online databases found at this URL to
> > search naturalization records by state, plus info on how to
> > obtain records if there isnt' an online database.
> >
> > I think I've given you enough to get you started in other
> > areas, if you find out more details or a more precise
> > immigration arrival, please let me know and I'll be happy to
> > help you further
> >
> > Lorine**Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml
> >
> > **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml
> >
> > **Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand
> > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml
> >
> > otg(a)csolve.net
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [HN] Hattendorf

Date: 2002/11/18 18:12:51
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

More records:

Hattendorf Heinrich, 22 age, from Oldenburg
Arrival New Orleans: Feb. 20. 1867 from Bremen
Ship: Laura & Gertrude

Hattendorf Lisa, 26 age, from Oldenburg
Arrival USA Nov. 26. 1852 from Antwerpen
Ship: Falcon








Re: [HN] WICHMANN in Dorum

Date: 2002/11/19 01:39:19
From: Scott Wichmann <wichmann9(a)charter.net>

Thanks!  That will be my next step.  Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Stewart" <raymondg(a)attbi.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] WICHMANN in Dorum


> Scott,
>      The LDS (Morman) library does have microfilm for the church in Dorum.
> If you live anywhere near one of their libraries, you could order the film
> and view it.  It would be the original records and covers from 1715-1852.
If
> they lived there in that time period you could track his ancestors from
> there. Go to Familysearch.org, click on "search for ancestors", go to the
> Family History Library Catalog, and do a place search  for Dorum.
>     Perhaps you have  already looked there..
>
> on 11/17/02 7:46 PM, Scott Wichmann at wichmann9(a)charter.net wrote:
>
> > I am searching for Eibe Henning WICHMANN, born 1843, Dorum.  He came to
the US
> > 1866-1870 and settled in Wisconsin.  (Family tradition says he was a
soldier
> > in the Austro-Prussian War)
> > Death Certificate says:
> > Occupation:  Carpenter, cabinet maker
> > Father:  Henry
> > Mother:  Katherine
> >
> > Brother:  F. H. WICHMANN, sent note from Cappel Neufeld
> > Brother:  Johann Hinrich WICHMANN, sent letter embossed "Bath" from
Cappel
> > Neufeld
> > Nephew:  Rudolph MEHREN, sent letter embossed "Dorum" in 1887 (says
uncle
> > Hinrich not interested in leaving since he is exempt from military
service).
> > Thank you for any help you can give me.
> > Scott Wichmann
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Re: [HN] urgent/dringend

Date: 2002/11/19 04:54:35
From: Schroeder,Johann <jschroeder(a)img.net>

Hallo Liste, Ich bin im der selben Meinung. Johann W.Schroeder
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas J. Kerr" <tjkerr(a)erols.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] urgent/dringend


> A list member:
>
> I would like to add that I would have no problem if  the person who did
> the research and was cheated out of agreed upon funds to publish the
> name of the person who refused to pay his just bills.
>
> A person does this sort of  act  harms all who use the internet for
> research.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "... valentine53179" <valentine53179(a)hotmail.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] urgent/dringend
>
>
> > A deal is a deal...
> > If you can't do the work yourself, and you have requested the work to be
> > done, then pay the BILL! Or at Christmas time, when you brag about a-l-l
the
> > WONDERFUL information that you found, and those around you give you such
> > praise and sit in AWE of you, remember that you have been sneaky and
cheated
> > someone else of the funds that you owe!
> > Remember it.
> >
> > The bill is due, it has been due, and you are late..
> > Sounds like INTEREST on the original amount is due!
> >
> > FURTHER, it is people who do not pay their bills that make it hard for
> > people like me to gain the services of a researcher far from home.
> > Please do not compound our problems of distance with problems of
distrust!
> > Pay the bill!
> >
> > valentine
> > PS..Now I have not gone back to see exactly WHO was searching for
> > Groß Berkel residence..I would prefer not to know, but if CHaupt doesn't
get
> > his mulla, then we will just have to search our memories.won''t we?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "CHaupt" <chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de>
> > To: "Liste Hannover" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:51 AM
> > Subject: [HN] urgent/dringend
> >
> >
> > Dear listmembers,
> >
> > I think it is highly regrettable that there are people on this list, who
> > search for professional genealogists, place an order and who finally do
not
> > settle the bill. These clients are being served with dedication and
effort,
> > and just take it for granted, but would not always get that much service
> > elsewhere. And afterwards, they try to find some very flimsy reasons to
> > avoid
> > compensating the genealogist for the expenses or the time that was spent
on
> > the search.
> > All of this happened recently, there was a person who searched for
ancestors
> > in Groß Berkel who acted this way.
> >
> > Qualified people who work as genealogists, historians or information
brokers
> > or related tasks need to trust their business/ research parters that
> > contracts are kept and that both parties can rely on each other.
Perhaps,
> > for a few people, the sum of $550 more or less on the bank account may
be a
> > matter of "peanuts", but this same sum can be the one that saves a
> > freelance historian from going bankrupt.
> >
> > What made me write the lines you have just read was not a feeling of
revenge
> > or anything of that sort. Far from it. But I wanted to motivate the
> > abovementioned person, a president of a large international firm, either
to
> > give valid reasons for his refusal to pay or to settle the bill which I
sent
> > him on 9. September 2002.
> >
> >
> > Yours sincerely
> >
> > Christoph Haupt
> >
> >
> > PS: I know that this is off-topic and hope that listmembers will
understand
> > that the circumstances are forcing me to take this step.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Haupt'S finden&suchen
> > Christoph Haupt
> > Sehnder Str. 28
> > D-30559 Hannover
> > TEL: +511 522313
> > FAX: +511 8793208
> > eMail: chg.C.Haupt(a)t-online.de
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[HN] Hattendorf in Hannover?

Date: 2002/11/19 15:11:45
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>

Liebe Leute,
[D]-mir war so, als suchte jemand HATTENDORFs?
[USA]-was´nt there anybody looking for HATTENDORFs?
Klaus Vahlbruch
***************************************************


Re: [HN] Hattendorf in Hannover?

Date: 2002/11/19 15:24:00
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

Yes, I am looking for Hattendorfs.  Henry (or Heinrich) Hattendorf, b.
abt 1822.  Wife's name was Lenora or Elnora, b. abt 1819.  They migrated
to the United States about 1855.

Thank you.

Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, TX, USA

Klaus Vahlbruch wrote:

> Liebe Leute,
> [D]-mir war so, als suchte jemand HATTENDORFs?
> [USA]-was´nt there anybody looking for HATTENDORFs?
> Klaus Vahlbruch
> ***************************************************
>
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[HN] HARTMANN aus Wendessen

Date: 2002/11/19 20:15:41
From: Gabriela Reinberg <Gabi.Reinberg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
ich bin neu in der Liste und hoffe auf diesem Wege Informationen zu erhalten.
Mit meiner Forschung bin ich schon ziemlich weit voran geschritten, habe aber bei einigen Familienmitgliedern arge Probleme.
Vielleicht kann mir jemand helfen oder hat die von mir gesuchten Personen auch in seiner AL?
Es handelt sich hierbei um die Eltern meiner 2xUrgroßmutter:

Johann Heinrich Andreas Hartmann; Beruf Tagelöhner
*25.01.1832 in Wendessen
+13.10.1874 in Wendessen

verheiratet (04.07.1858) war er mit

Christine Elisabeth Dorothee Thiele
*20.03.1831 in (wahrscheinlich) Dethum
+ unbekannt in Wendessen

bisher einzig bekanntes Kind:

Johanne Christiane Louise Hartmann verheiratete Reinberg
*24.03.1862 in Wendessen
+09.04.1927 in Bremen

Ich bin auch an den Geschwistern von Johanne interessiert.
Geschwister hatte sie, die Frage ist nur wieviele und wie ich an weitere Daten über die Familie Hartmann bzw. Thiele herankomme.
Bei den Mormonen konnte ich nichts finden.

Einen schönen Abend wünscht Gabi Reinberg aus Bremen



Re: [HN] Hattendorf in Hannover?

Date: 2002/11/19 20:51:50
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>

Hello Margaret,
I didn´find your Henry (Heinrich) but I´ll give you what I found:
I found: [Year-Pag-Nr]
****************************************************************
--->[1867-068-98] Kirchennebenbuch Church: St. Aegienen -
Entbindungsanstalt
HATTENDORF, Dorette Sophie Elise Charlotte
*22.06.1860 in Hannover Entbindungsanstalt
   Father: unknown
   Mother: unmarried Rosine ... Eleonore HATTENDORF aus Huepede
****************************************************************
--->[1858-157-22] Kirchennebenbuch Church: St. Aegidien -
Entbindungsanstalt
HATTENDORF, Auguste Luise Spophie
*04.02.1858 in Hannover Entbindungsanstalt
   Father: unknown
   Mother: unmarried Engel Sophie Dorothea HATTENDORF aus Gehrden
***************************************************************
"Entbindungsanstalt" 
means a place where children were born, somewhat like a hospital.

I´ll look further for the HATTENDORFs

Klaus Vahlbruch
***************************************************************

Margaret McCleskey schrieb:
> 
> Yes, I am looking for Hattendorfs.  Henry (or Heinrich) Hattendorf, b.
> abt 1822.  Wife's name was Lenora or Elnora, b. abt 1819.  They migrated
> to the United States about 1855.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, TX, USA
> 
> Klaus Vahlbruch wrote:
> 
> > Liebe Leute,
> > [D]-mir war so, als suchte jemand HATTENDORFs?
> > [USA]-was´nt there anybody looking for HATTENDORFs?
> > Klaus Vahlbruch
> > ***************************************************
> >
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AW: [HN] HARTMANN aus Wendessen

Date: 2002/11/19 22:35:11
From: Ohlhoff <Ruth.Ohlhoff(a)t-online.de>

Guten Abend, Gabi

vielleicht ist es ein Zufall, vielleicht hilft es Dir weiter.

Ich habe folgende Daten:

Hartmann Johanne Friederike Christiane, ev.
* um   1865  Wendessen?
† err. 1930  Wendessen
oo 1885?  Wendessen
Hintze Heinrich Wilhelm August * um 1865 Groß Denkte † um 1930 Wendessen
(?).

Kind(er):
1) Hintze Walter Ernst Heinrich, ev., Tischler
* 03.12.1890 Wendessen
† 01.12.1925 Berklingen
oo Z 15.04.1922 Berklingen
Hauenschild Anna Emma Minna * 01.04.1899 Berklingen.

Die Kirchenbücher Duplikate für die Zeit von 1815 bis 1875 befinden sich im
Staatsarchiv Wolfenbüttel. Für Wendessen müsste die Pfarre in Ahlum
zuständig sein.

Ich würde Dir gern helfen, da ich öfter im Staatsarchiv suche. Allerdings
bin ich z. Z. beruflich sehr stark eingespannt, so dass es Februar 2003
werden könnte.

Bei Interesse melde dich unter meiner privaten E-Mail Adresse
ruth.ohlhoff(a)t-online.de

Ruth

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:hannover-l-admin(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Gabriela Reinberg
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. November 2002 20:15
An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [HN] HARTMANN aus Wendessen


Hallo Listenteilnehmer,
ich bin neu in der Liste und hoffe auf diesem Wege Informationen zu
erhalten.
Mit meiner Forschung bin ich schon ziemlich weit voran geschritten, habe
aber bei einigen Familienmitgliedern arge Probleme.
Vielleicht kann mir jemand helfen oder hat die von mir gesuchten Personen
auch in seiner AL?
Es handelt sich hierbei um die Eltern meiner 2xUrgroßmutter:

Johann Heinrich Andreas Hartmann; Beruf Tagelöhner
*25.01.1832 in Wendessen
+13.10.1874 in Wendessen

verheiratet (04.07.1858) war er mit

Christine Elisabeth Dorothee Thiele
*20.03.1831 in (wahrscheinlich) Dethum
+ unbekannt in Wendessen

bisher einzig bekanntes Kind:

Johanne Christiane Louise Hartmann verheiratete Reinberg
*24.03.1862 in Wendessen
+09.04.1927 in Bremen

Ich bin auch an den Geschwistern von Johanne interessiert.
Geschwister hatte sie, die Frage ist nur wieviele und wie ich an weitere
Daten über die Familie Hartmann bzw. Thiele herankomme.
Bei den Mormonen konnte ich nichts finden.

Einen schönen Abend wünscht Gabi Reinberg aus Bremen


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Re: [HN] Hattendorf in Hannover?

Date: 2002/11/20 06:26:08
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

Thank you.  Considering the dates in this information, it is unlikely that
these are the people I am looking for.  They might be relatives.

Margaret

Klaus Vahlbruch wrote:

> Hello Margaret,
> I didn´find your Henry (Heinrich) but I´ll give you what I found:
> I found: [Year-Pag-Nr]
> ****************************************************************
> --->[1867-068-98] Kirchennebenbuch Church: St. Aegienen -
> Entbindungsanstalt
> HATTENDORF, Dorette Sophie Elise Charlotte
> *22.06.1860 in Hannover Entbindungsanstalt
>    Father: unknown
>    Mother: unmarried Rosine ... Eleonore HATTENDORF aus Huepede
> ****************************************************************
> --->[1858-157-22] Kirchennebenbuch Church: St. Aegidien -
> Entbindungsanstalt
> HATTENDORF, Auguste Luise Spophie
> *04.02.1858 in Hannover Entbindungsanstalt
>    Father: unknown
>    Mother: unmarried Engel Sophie Dorothea HATTENDORF aus Gehrden
> ***************************************************************
> "Entbindungsanstalt"
> means a place where children were born, somewhat like a hospital.
>
> I´ll look further for the HATTENDORFs
>
> Klaus Vahlbruch
> ***************************************************************
>
> Margaret McCleskey schrieb:
> >
> > Yes, I am looking for Hattendorfs.  Henry (or Heinrich) Hattendorf, b.
> > abt 1822.  Wife's name was Lenora or Elnora, b. abt 1819.  They migrated
> > to the United States about 1855.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, TX, USA
> >
> > Klaus Vahlbruch wrote:
> >
> > > Liebe Leute,
> > > [D]-mir war so, als suchte jemand HATTENDORFs?
> > > [USA]-was´nt there anybody looking for HATTENDORFs?
> > > Klaus Vahlbruch
> > > ***************************************************
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
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[HN] Neuer Teilnehmer - Forschungsgebiet Hannover-Peine (Torsten Poitz sch)

Date: 2002/11/20 13:10:10
From: Poitzsch, Torsten <Torsten.Poitzsch(a)bjb.de>

Guten Tag,

ich bin neu auf dieser Liste und möchte zwecks Datenaustausches gerne meine
aktuelle Forschungsliste im Bereich Hannover vorstellen. Meine bisherigen
Ergebnisse sind detailliert unter http://www.ancestry.com/trees/awt/main.htm
veröffentlicht. Da das ganze kostenlos ist und im Gegensatz zu den Mormonen,
die Daten auch jederzeit wieder gelöscht werden können, kann ich diese
Webseite zum Veröffentlichen von Stammbäumen nur empfehlen. Ich finde sie
zumindestens geeigneter, als eigene Homepages zu schalten. Allerdings ist
die Site in Englisch.

Falls ihr Verbindungen zu mir habt, bitte ich um Rückmeldung.

Gruß Torsten
-------------------------
Hier meine Daten

LICHTWINGEN (den Ort konnte ich aber leider noch nirgendwo finden)
	Rautmann 1809-1892
LÜNEBURG (Hannover)
	Witte 1889-1965	
MEERDORF bei Peine (Hannover)
	Witte 1795-1862	
OELSBURG (Hannover)
	Frühling 1797-1863	
PEINE
	Frühling	1797-1863	
	Hansen	1822-1860	
	Witte	1795-1928




[HN] Kirchenbuchamt Hannover

Date: 2002/11/20 19:53:59
From: Joachim Krull <joachim.krull(a)ewetel.net>

Sehr geehrte Listenteilnehmer,

bei meinen Forschungen bin ich auf Hannover gestoßen. Da ich in Emden wohne und der Weg nach Hannover sehr aufwendig ist, möchte ich fragen, ob jemand in naher Zukunft das Kirchenbuchamt (Hildesheimer Str. 165-167, Hannover) besucht. Vielleicht wäre es demjenigen möglich die Genealogie einer Vorfahrin für mich zu prüfen.
Über eine positive Rückmeldung würde ich mich freuen!

Mit freundlichen Gruß
Joachim Krull

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Joachim Krull, Blumenstraße 19, 26725 Emden, Telefon 04921-918791 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


[HN] UHLENKAMP

Date: 2002/11/20 20:29:18
From: John Best <jebest(a)flash.net>

Guten Abend,

Ich suche die Vorfahren von Konrad Uhlenkamp von Leer, Deutschland.
Konrad emmigrated aus Deutschland in 1849 für Neues York.    Zwei Jahre
später zog er nach westen mit den Goldanstürmen um und rechnete in der
Rescue, Kalifornien ab.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
John Best
Belen, Neues Mexiko, USA




[HN] Emigration to Britain

Date: 2002/11/21 07:39:48
From: maricol <maricol(a)whsmithnet.co.uk>

Dear All,

I have been reading the letters on this list with great interest recently.There has been a lot of mention of ship's lists and emigration to the USA in the 19th century.
Can anybody tell me if there are such lists for emigration to the UK please? Or maybe the same ships stopped off in Britain on route to America. Perhaps someone has seen this.

Many thanks for any help
 


[HN] AW: [HN]Frühling Hansen

Date: 2002/11/21 12:00:48
From: Almut Völker <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de>

Guten Tag, Herr Poitzsch,

ich habe mehrere Frühlings, z.B. JOHANNES FRIEDR: CONRAD FRÜHLING, *
7.3.1819 Vöhrum/ Peine, + 8.12.1872 Vöhrum
und mehrere HANSEN, z.B. HEINR: JÜRGEN HANSEN, * 9.9.1815 Stederdorf /
Peine, oo 7.6.1845 Stederdorf ANNA S L E PAGENDORF,
Sehen Sie eine Verbindung?
Bei ancestry.com /trees konnte ich diesen Frühling nicht finden. Wie komme
ich denn an Ihre Daten?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Almut Völker

____________________________________________
Almut Völker
Bertolt-Brecht-Str.115
D-49088 Osnabrück
Tele:+49-541-189133
e-mail: ahvoelker(a)t-online.de




Re: [HN] Emigration to Britain

Date: 2002/11/21 18:52:01
From: Cora L McDonnell <coralmcdonnell(a)comcast.net>

The Hamburg Passenger Lists, as filmed by the LDS, are separated into direct
and indirect lists.  The indirect lists would include ships that stopped off
in Britain, I think.  The LDS has a leaflet "Hamburg Passenger Lists" that
you will find at your local Family History Center.  You probably can also
access it at www.familysearch.org.  This publication will explain these
lists better than I can.  At the moment, I don't have a copy.

Best wishes,
Cora
coralmcdonnell(a)comcast.net


----- Original Message -----
From: "maricol" <maricol(a)whsmithnet.co.uk>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: [HN] Emigration to Britain


Dear All,

I have been reading the letters on this list with great interest
recently.There has been a lot of mention of ship's lists and emigration to
the USA in the 19th century.
Can anybody tell me if there are such lists for emigration to the UK please?
Or maybe the same ships stopped off in Britain on route to America. Perhaps
someone has seen this.

Many thanks for any help


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[HN] Re: Hamburg Passenger Lists,

Date: 2002/11/22 19:47:06
From: Lorine McGinnis Schulze <otg(a)csolve.net>

On 22 Nov 2002 at 12:01, hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net 
wrote:

> From: "Cora L McDonnell" <coralmcdonnell(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [HN] Emigration to Britain
> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 00:44:54 -0500
> 
> The Hamburg Passenger Lists, as filmed by the LDS, are
> separated into direct and indirect lists.  The indirect
> lists would include ships that stopped off in Britain, I
> think.  The LDS has a leaflet "Hamburg Passenger Lists" that you
> will find at your local Family History Center.  You probably can
> also access it at www.familysearch.org.  This publication will
> explain these lists better than I can.  At the moment, I don't
> have a copy.

Cora,

You can also see http://www.genhelp.org/article.php?sid=95
The Importance of the Hamburg Passenger Lists for European 
Immigration to USA



Lorine McGinnis Schulze
-- 
* The Olive Tree Genealogy 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ 
* Past Voices:Letters Home 
http://pastvoices.com/ 
* USA Genealogy 
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/
* My Family Branches 
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~myfamilybranches/

otg(a)csolve.net or olivetreegen(a)netscape.net



[HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine

Date: 2002/11/22 21:20:35
From: Andrea Immel <info(a)andrea-immel.de>

Hallo Herr Poitzsch, hallo Herr Völker, hallo Listenteilnehmer,

die meisten meiner Vorfahren kommen aus dem Raum Peine. Leider habe ich
Frühling und Hansen nicht unter meinen Vorfahren.

Gibt es noch mehr Namen aus dem Raum Peine oder noch andere Orte, nach denen
gesucht wird?

Vielleicht lohnt sich ja ein Datenaustausch.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Andrea Immel




AW: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine

Date: 2002/11/22 22:17:28
From: Almut Völker <ahvoelker(a)t-online.de>

Guten Abend, Andra Immel,

Viele Orte, noch mehr Namen!
Hier eine Auswahl:

ASELMANN.Vöhrum
BREMER,Vöhrum, Eixe
ERNST, Vöhrum, Eixe
GÜLDEMANN, Oberg
HELBERG, Meine
LÜDERS, Röttgesbüttel
LÜTGERING,Oberg
OELKERS, Bekum
OHLAND, Meine, Stederdorf
SCHULTEN, Gravenhorst
STUTEN, Gravenhorst
VOGES, Oberg
WEDEKAMP, Eixe

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Almut Völker, bin weiblich

____________________________________________
Almut Völker
Bertolt-Brecht-Str.115
D-49088 Osnabrück
Tele:+49-541-189133
e-mail: ahvoelker(a)t-online.de





Re: [HN] UHLENKAMP

Date: 2002/11/23 03:40:41
From: Boyken & Boyken Partners <frisian(a)netins.net>

Sehr geehrter Herr Best,

die Gegend um Rescue, (östlich von Folsom, westlich von Placerville, südlich
von  Auburn und nördlich von Hwy 50) ist mir ein Begriff; ein Gebiet, wo ich
vor drei - vier Jahren nach Gräbern gesucht habe.

Gehören zu der Sammlung von Uhlenkamp's
a)    Talea Aleida Uhlenkamp, geboren am 10. Juli 1846 in Loga, gestorben am
16. März 1905 in LaFayette, IN, geheiratet gewesen mit Abbo Poppinga,
b)    Hinderikus Uhlenkamp, geboren am 11. März 1834 (oder 1836) in Loga,
Lehrer in Steenfelderfehn, begraben am 20. Juni 1889 in Steenfelde, procl. 9
Oktober 1859 mit Jantie Janssen Hafer,
c)    Wessel Simeons Uhlenkamp, Landwirt in Großwolde, geheiratet mit Wipke
Renken Aminda, deren Tochter im Jahre 1805 geboren wurde und am 13. März
1857 in Großwolde starb?

Vielleicht hilft hier etwas.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Hans-Georg Boyken
______________________________


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Best" <jebest(a)flash.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 2:25 PM
Subject: [HN] UHLENKAMP


> Guten Abend,
>
> Ich suche die Vorfahren von Konrad Uhlenkamp von Leer, Deutschland.
> Konrad emmigrated aus Deutschland in 1849 für Neues York.    Zwei Jahre
> später zog er nach westen mit den Goldanstürmen um und rechnete in der
> Rescue, Kalifornien ab.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> John Best
> Belen, Neues Mexiko, USA
>
>
>
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[HN] Gedcom-Datei - Wie öffnen??

Date: 2002/11/23 17:58:24
From: Reinhard J. Freytag <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de>

Kann mir jemand in dieser Liste beschreiben mit welchem Program bzw. wie ich ein mir per email überlassene .ged (Gedcom) - Datei von 2,7 MB lesen kann???

Schon jetzt besten Dank!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag


[HN] Henry Hattendorf - Weirlen, 1852

Date: 2002/11/24 00:30:09
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

I found the following information in "German Immigrants, Lists of
Passengers from Bremen to New York, 1847-1854," Compiled by Gary J.
Zimmerman and Marion Wolfert, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
Baltimore, Maryland, 1985.
Hattendorf, H. (m) 25, residence, Weirlen; year 52 (1852), list 1321

List 1321 referred to the ship Espindola, which arrived in New York on
17 Sep 1852.  Film #119.

I am wondering if this could be the Henry (Heinrich) Hattendorf for whom
I am searching.  Can anyone help?

Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA





Re: [HN] Henry Hattendorf - Weirlen, 1852

Date: 2002/11/24 03:04:12
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello Margaret,
        Are you sure of the spelling on the town Weirlen.  I have a very
detailed atlas of Germany which includes nearly every little village, but I
do not find a Weirlen listed.
Barbara







on 11/23/02 4:27 PM, Margaret McCleskey at mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net
wrote:

> I found the following information in "German Immigrants, Lists of
> Passengers from Bremen to New York, 1847-1854," Compiled by Gary J.
> Zimmerman and Marion Wolfert, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
> Baltimore, Maryland, 1985.
> Hattendorf, H. (m) 25, residence, Weirlen; year 52 (1852), list 1321
> 
> List 1321 referred to the ship Espindola, which arrived in New York on
> 17 Sep 1852.  Film #119.
> 
> I am wondering if this could be the Henry (Heinrich) Hattendorf for whom
> I am searching.  Can anyone help?
> 
> Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [HN] Henry Hattendorf - Weirlen, 1852

Date: 2002/11/24 04:23:20
From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>

I would have to go back to the library to verify the spelling, but think that I
copied it correctly.

Margaret

Barbara Stewart wrote:

> Hello Margaret,
>         Are you sure of the spelling on the town Weirlen.  I have a very
> detailed atlas of Germany which includes nearly every little village, but I
> do not find a Weirlen listed.
> Barbara
>
> on 11/23/02 4:27 PM, Margaret McCleskey at mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net
> wrote:
>
> > I found the following information in "German Immigrants, Lists of
> > Passengers from Bremen to New York, 1847-1854," Compiled by Gary J.
> > Zimmerman and Marion Wolfert, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
> > Baltimore, Maryland, 1985.
> > Hattendorf, H. (m) 25, residence, Weirlen; year 52 (1852), list 1321
> >
> > List 1321 referred to the ship Espindola, which arrived in New York on
> > 17 Sep 1852.  Film #119.
> >
> > I am wondering if this could be the Henry (Heinrich) Hattendorf for whom
> > I am searching.  Can anyone help?
> >
> > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [HN] Henry Hattendorf - Weirlen, 1852

Date: 2002/11/24 05:36:49
From: Gary E. Myer <bruggeym(a)bcpl.net>

Hi Margaret,

I always tell people that passenger lists are the "frosting on the cake" of genealogical research. It is always best to nail down every other detail about your immigrant ancestor first, if possible--e.g.:
--where did he settle after arrival?
--have you traveled there and exhaustively searched all sources--i.e.,
-----church records
-----cemetery records
-----newspaper records (including German-language newspapers, if such existed there)
-----local published histories
-----German fraternal organizations
-----Civil War enlistment records (they often gave exact places of origin)
-----Civil War pension papers (the complete file)
-----family Bibles
-----checked with second and third cousins to see if anyone has saved any old correspondence or other memorabilia, including possible German-language materials, burial cards etc. (the clue which tied me back to my German immigrant's origins was found with a second cousin I had never met, in a shoebox she had almost thrown away several times: a poem hand-printed on the occasion of the second marriage of the immigrant's father, containing date and place and names; as well as pages with family data torn from a prayer book)

Once you have checked all of these, you can see if the passenger list corroborates what you have found.
In thinking about passenger lists, remember the following:
1) not all passenger lists have survived; many were lost to rodents, water damage etc. 2) lists sat in boxes for 100 years folded up before they were microfilmed; when the microfilmers opened the boxes, they often found fragments which they had to reassemble before microfilming; I have seen proof that they reassembled some lists incorrectly! 3) published lists, such as the ones to which you refer, were transcribed by someone who had to make his/her best guess of what a handwritten word was (to make matters worse, the placename may have been an English-speaking captain's interpretation of what the German-speaking passenger said!); if you're sure this is your ancestor, get your library to interlibrary-loan the original list on microfilm and make a photocopy. Get someone who's experienced in reading older script to look at it. Check the villages above and below on the list--do any neighbor a village in Germany that looks like "Weirlen"?

Just some suggestions!

--Gary


--
Gary E. Myer
37 Colonial Drive
Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
(voice) 410-636-1113 (email) bruggeym(a)bcpl.net
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[HN] Questions regarding location and location of records.

Date: 2002/11/24 11:04:03
From: JCMartin01 <jcmartin01(a)aol.com>

Dear Hannover Listers,
I am sorry about the English.  I am assuming that many of you on this
list are English speaking.  If not, I am in trouble already.  :)

This is my first attempt at locating information about my known German 
ancestors.  This is what I know:
This information is being taken from a transcription of a baptismal 
certificate that was in the posession of a distant cousin.  
Joachim Heinrich Guhl - of Holtorf, Amtsgarten, Province Hannover and
his wife Anna Maria born Warmunde  -  also born at Holtorf are the
parents of Katharina Maria Guhl born 20th Sept., 1833.
This record states that it was copied from the Holtorf-churchfiles. 
It is dated May the 4th of 1854 by Fr. W. Schultze, Pastor from
Holtorf and Korzern.

My questions:
I have seen Holtorf on a map, but it was some time ago.  Can anyone
give me any information on Holtorf, the possible name of the church
the record was copied from,  or the possibility of finding addional
records in existance today?
Is there a different List available which may be better suited for
questions on the Holtorf area?
If anyone is researching the Guhl family, I would like to hear from
you.  I first find evidence of this family in the Defiance Co. and
Henry Co., Ohio, USA, area in 1855.

Thanks for reading.

Clarice - great-great-great-grandaughter of Joachim Heinrich Guhl of
Holtorf

[Message forwarded by Juergen Drees (j.drees(a)gmx.net)]


Re: [HN] Questions regarding location and location of records.

Date: 2002/11/24 12:09:25
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo clarice,
the answer is a bit difficult. There are 5 Holtorf, all situated in the former Kingdom of Hannover and now they are all part of another town or village:
Holtorf now part of Colnrade,
                    Betzendorf,
			  Thedinghausen,
			  Nienburg,			  			  Schnackenburg. 
But there exists no Korzern in Germany.
Probably your Holtorf is that near Schnackenburg. Nearby exists a village named Kapern. 
The church is:					
Ev.-luth. Pfarramt Schnackenburg
Kirchstrasse 4
29493 Schnackenburg
Germany
Great success and greetings
Wilfried

"JCMartin01" <jcmartin01(a)aol.com> schrieb:
>It is dated May the 4th of 1854 by Fr. W. Schultze, Pastor from
>Holtorf and Korzern.
>
>My questions:
>I have seen Holtorf on a map, but it was some time ago.  Can anyone
>give me any information on Holtorf, the possible name of the church
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Re: [HN] Questions regarding location and location of records.

Date: 2002/11/24 12:24:25
From: Juergen E.W.Meyer <JEW.Meyer(a)t-online.de>

Hello Clarence,
There are several Holtorfs in Hannover. Are you sure about "Korzern"? May there 
be a misreading of that name?
Best regards,
Juergen
JCMartin01 schrieb:
> Dear Hannover Listers,
> I am sorry about the English.  I am assuming that many of you on this
> list are English speaking.  If not, I am in trouble already.  :)
>
> This is my first attempt at locating information about my known German 
> ancestors.  This is what I know:
> This information is being taken from a transcription of a baptismal 
> certificate that was in the posession of a distant cousin.  
> Joachim Heinrich Guhl - of Holtorf, Amtsgarten, Province Hannover and
> his wife Anna Maria born Warmunde  -  also born at Holtorf are the
> parents of Katharina Maria Guhl born 20th Sept., 1833.
> This record states that it was copied from the Holtorf-churchfiles. 
> It is dated May the 4th of 1854 by Fr. W. Schultze, Pastor from
> Holtorf and Korzern.
>
> My questions:
> I have seen Holtorf on a map, but it was some time ago.  Can anyone
> give me any information on Holtorf, the possible name of the church
> the record was copied from,  or the possibility of finding addional
> records in existance today?
> Is there a different List available which may be better suited for
> questions on the Holtorf area?
> If anyone is researching the Guhl family, I would like to hear from
> you.  I first find evidence of this family in the Defiance Co. and
> Henry Co., Ohio, USA, area in 1855.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Clarice - great-great-great-grandaughter of Joachim Heinrich Guhl of
> Holtorf
>
> [Message forwarded by Juergen Drees (j.drees(a)gmx.net)]
>
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[HN] About Holtdorf

Date: 2002/11/24 14:55:07
From: RID1541 <RID1541(a)aol.com>

Hello Clarice,
use google search and enter Holtdorf, a fife+drum chor comes up with picture 
and explains that Holtdorf is now part of Nienburg/ Weser. 
Search Nienburg, there is a lot to see, all in German, but the link for 
Kirchen(Churches) shows one old church for Holtdorf, a St.Martins Kirche, 
with address for the pastor. The Nienburg city goes back to the 1000s.
Google works everytime for me, even when you search for communities which 
have been incorporated by others, as is often the case in Germany.
Regards, Ingrid


[HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover

Date: 2002/11/24 16:10:01
From: Phyllis A. Heller <rpheller(a)fmctc.com>

>From the census records of 1860-1880 I have seen these places listed
as my GGgrandfathers place of birth.  BAIRNE-WIRTEMBURG-HANNOVER.
Are these places one and the same in the former Kingdom of Hannover?
I have been trying to trace down exactly where he was born. Can anyone 
help me with this?

Phyllis




Re: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover

Date: 2002/11/24 18:47:36
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Phyllis,
sorry, but this place or these places are not existant. Perhaps that means BAYERN - WUERTTEMBERG - HANNOVER, three former kingdoms of Germany. Or WIRTENBURG means WITTENBURG, WITTENBERG or WITTENBERGE, but these towns are not situated in the former kingdom of Hannover (WITTENBURG in Mecklenburg, WITTENBERG and WITTENBERGE in Prussia). 
But there may be a lot of other places with a spelling near Wirtenburg or Bairne). 
Sorry! 
Wilfried

"Phyllis A. Heller" <rpheller(a)fmctc.com> schrieb:
>>From the census records of 1860-1880 I have seen these places listed
>as my GGgrandfathers place of birth.  BAIRNE-WIRTEMBURG-HANNOVER.
>Are these places one and the same in the former Kingdom of Hannover?
>I have been trying to trace down exactly where he was born. Can anyone 
>help me with this?
>
>Phyllis
>
>
>
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[HN] Re: Hannover-L digest, Vol 1 #770 - 6 msgs

Date: 2002/11/24 18:51:21
From: navidfl <navidfl(a)worldnet.att.net>

I would like to unsubscribe for about two months, because we will be
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>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:27:22 -0600
> From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: [HN] Henry Hattendorf - Weirlen, 1852
> Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>
> I found the following information in "German Immigrants, Lists of
> Passengers from Bremen to New York, 1847-1854," Compiled by Gary J.
> Zimmerman and Marion Wolfert, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
> Baltimore, Maryland, 1985.
> Hattendorf, H. (m) 25, residence, Weirlen; year 52 (1852), list 1321
>
> List 1321 referred to the ship Espindola, which arrived in New York on
> 17 Sep 1852.  Film #119.
>
> I am wondering if this could be the Henry (Heinrich) Hattendorf for whom
> I am searching.  Can anyone help?
>
> Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
>
>
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:04:10 -0700
> Subject: Re: [HN] Henry Hattendorf - Weirlen, 1852
> From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>
> Hello Margaret,
>         Are you sure of the spelling on the town Weirlen.  I have a very
> detailed atlas of Germany which includes nearly every little village, but
I
> do not find a Weirlen listed.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> on 11/23/02 4:27 PM, Margaret McCleskey at mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net
> wrote:
>
> > I found the following information in "German Immigrants, Lists of
> > Passengers from Bremen to New York, 1847-1854," Compiled by Gary J.
> > Zimmerman and Marion Wolfert, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
> > Baltimore, Maryland, 1985.
> > Hattendorf, H. (m) 25, residence, Weirlen; year 52 (1852), list 1321
> >
> > List 1321 referred to the ship Espindola, which arrived in New York on
> > 17 Sep 1852.  Film #119.
> >
> > I am wondering if this could be the Henry (Heinrich) Hattendorf for whom
> > I am searching.  Can anyone help?
> >
> > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 21:20:21 -0600
> From: Margaret McCleskey <mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Henry Hattendorf - Weirlen, 1852
> Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>
> I would have to go back to the library to verify the spelling, but think
that I
> copied it correctly.
>
> Margaret
>
> Barbara Stewart wrote:
>
> > Hello Margaret,
> >         Are you sure of the spelling on the town Weirlen.  I have a very
> > detailed atlas of Germany which includes nearly every little village,
but I
> > do not find a Weirlen listed.
> > Barbara
> >
> > on 11/23/02 4:27 PM, Margaret McCleskey at mamccleskey(a)worldnet.att.net
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I found the following information in "German Immigrants, Lists of
> > > Passengers from Bremen to New York, 1847-1854," Compiled by Gary J.
> > > Zimmerman and Marion Wolfert, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.
> > > Baltimore, Maryland, 1985.
> > > Hattendorf, H. (m) 25, residence, Weirlen; year 52 (1852), list 1321
> > >
> > > List 1321 referred to the ship Espindola, which arrived in New York on
> > > 17 Sep 1852.  Film #119.
> > >
> > > I am wondering if this could be the Henry (Heinrich) Hattendorf for
whom
> > > I am searching.  Can anyone help?
> > >
> > > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, Texas, USA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 23:39:08 -0500
> From: "Gary E. Myer" <bruggeym(a)bcpl.net>
> Organization: BCPL Online
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: [HN] Henry Hattendorf - Weirlen, 1852
> Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>
> Hi Margaret,
>
> I always tell people that passenger lists are the "frosting on the cake"
> of genealogical research.  It is always best to nail down every other
> detail about your immigrant ancestor first, if possible--e.g.:
> --where did he settle after arrival?
> --have you traveled there and exhaustively searched all sources--i.e.,
> -----church records
> -----cemetery records
> -----newspaper records (including German-language newspapers, if such
> existed there)
> -----local published histories
> -----German fraternal organizations
> -----Civil War enlistment records (they often gave exact places of origin)
> -----Civil War pension papers (the complete file)
> -----family Bibles
> -----checked with second and third cousins to see if anyone has saved
> any old correspondence or other memorabilia, including possible
> German-language materials, burial cards etc.
> (the clue which tied me back to my German immigrant's origins was found
> with a second cousin I had never met, in a shoebox she had almost thrown
> away several times:  a poem hand-printed on the occasion of the second
> marriage of the immigrant's father, containing date and place and names;
> as well as pages with family data torn from a prayer book)
>
> Once you have checked all of these, you can see if the passenger list
> corroborates what you have found.
> In thinking about passenger lists, remember the following:
> 1) not all passenger lists have survived; many were lost to rodents,
> water damage etc.
> 2) lists sat in boxes for 100 years folded up before they were
> microfilmed; when the microfilmers opened the boxes, they often found
> fragments which they had to reassemble before microfilming; I have seen
> proof that they reassembled some lists incorrectly!
> 3) published lists, such as the ones to which you refer, were
> transcribed by someone who had to make his/her best guess of what a
> handwritten word was (to make matters worse, the placename may have been
> an English-speaking captain's interpretation of what the German-speaking
> passenger  said!); if you're sure this is your ancestor, get your
> library to interlibrary-loan the original list on microfilm and make a
> photocopy.  Get someone who's experienced in reading older script to
> look at it.  Check the villages above and below on the list--do any
> neighbor a village in Germany that looks like "Weirlen"?
>
> Just some suggestions!
>
> --Gary
>
>
> --
> Gary E. Myer
> 37 Colonial Drive
> Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
> (voice) 410-636-1113 (email) bruggeym(a)bcpl.net
> I Cor 13:4 (from "The Message", Eugene H. Peterson's transl. of NT)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 11:04:06 +0100
> From: JCMartin01 <jcmartin01(a)aol.com>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: [HN] Questions regarding location and location of records.
> Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>
> Dear Hannover Listers,
> I am sorry about the English.  I am assuming that many of you on this
> list are English speaking.  If not, I am in trouble already.  :)
>
> This is my first attempt at locating information about my known German
> ancestors.  This is what I know:
> This information is being taken from a transcription of a baptismal
> certificate that was in the posession of a distant cousin.
> Joachim Heinrich Guhl - of Holtorf, Amtsgarten, Province Hannover and
> his wife Anna Maria born Warmunde  -  also born at Holtorf are the
> parents of Katharina Maria Guhl born 20th Sept., 1833.
> This record states that it was copied from the Holtorf-churchfiles.
> It is dated May the 4th of 1854 by Fr. W. Schultze, Pastor from
> Holtorf and Korzern.
>
> My questions:
> I have seen Holtorf on a map, but it was some time ago.  Can anyone
> give me any information on Holtorf, the possible name of the church
> the record was copied from,  or the possibility of finding addional
> records in existance today?
> Is there a different List available which may be better suited for
> questions on the Holtorf area?
> If anyone is researching the Guhl family, I would like to hear from
> you.  I first find evidence of this family in the Defiance Co. and
> Henry Co., Ohio, USA, area in 1855.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Clarice - great-great-great-grandaughter of Joachim Heinrich Guhl of
> Holtorf
>
> [Message forwarded by Juergen Drees (j.drees(a)gmx.net)]
>
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Re: [HN] Questions regarding location and location of records.

Date: 2002/11/24 18:51:54
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello Clarice,

     Have you  tried using the LDS (Mormon) website (www.familysearch.org)?
You can do a person search for your people there.

      Perhaps, more importantly, if you look in the Family History Catalog
under a "place" search, there are some church records for two different
Holtorf villages.  There are microfilms for those records and you could view
them at a Family History Library near you.

Good luck,
Barbara

on 11/24/02 3:04 AM, JCMartin01 at jcmartin01(a)aol.com wrote:

> Dear Hannover Listers,
> I am sorry about the English.  I am assuming that many of you on this
> list are English speaking.  If not, I am in trouble already.  :)
> 
> This is my first attempt at locating information about my known German
> ancestors.  This is what I know:
> This information is being taken from a transcription of a baptismal
> certificate that was in the posession of a distant cousin.
> Joachim Heinrich Guhl - of Holtorf, Amtsgarten, Province Hannover and
> his wife Anna Maria born Warmunde  -  also born at Holtorf are the
> parents of Katharina Maria Guhl born 20th Sept., 1833.
> This record states that it was copied from the Holtorf-churchfiles.
> It is dated May the 4th of 1854 by Fr. W. Schultze, Pastor from
> Holtorf and Korzern.
> 
> My questions:
> I have seen Holtorf on a map, but it was some time ago.  Can anyone
> give me any information on Holtorf, the possible name of the church
> the record was copied from,  or the possibility of finding addional
> records in existance today?
> Is there a different List available which may be better suited for
> questions on the Holtorf area?
> If anyone is researching the Guhl family, I would like to hear from
> you.  I first find evidence of this family in the Defiance Co. and
> Henry Co., Ohio, USA, area in 1855.
> 
> Thanks for reading.
> 
> Clarice - great-great-great-grandaughter of Joachim Heinrich Guhl of
> Holtorf
> 
> [Message forwarded by Juergen Drees (j.drees(a)gmx.net)]
> 
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Re: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover

Date: 2002/11/24 19:06:12
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Phyllis,
    I have a very detailed atlas of Germany  and I find no cities or
villages by the name of Bairne or Wirtenburg.  I think Wilfried is right
about it pointing to Bavaria and  Wuerttemberg.  Try looking for your
ancestors name on the LDS  website (www.familysearch.org).  They now have
the 1880 census up for all the United States. The census lists the
birthplace of each person (plus the birthplaces of each parent). Maybe they
were all born in three different places.
Barbara


on 11/24/02 10:00 AM, Wilfried Petersen at Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de
wrote:

> Hallo Phyllis,
> sorry, but this place or these places are not existant. Perhaps that means
> BAYERN - WUERTTEMBERG - HANNOVER, three former kingdoms of Germany. Or
> WIRTENBURG means WITTENBURG, WITTENBERG or WITTENBERGE, but these towns are
> not situated in the former kingdom of Hannover (WITTENBURG in Mecklenburg,
> WITTENBERG and WITTENBERGE in Prussia).
> But there may be a lot of other places with a spelling near Wirtenburg or
> Bairne). 
> Sorry! 
> Wilfried
> 
> "Phyllis A. Heller" <rpheller(a)fmctc.com> schrieb:
>>> From the census records of 1860-1880 I have seen these places listed
>> as my GGgrandfathers place of birth.  BAIRNE-WIRTEMBURG-HANNOVER.
>> Are these places one and the same in the former Kingdom of Hannover?
>> I have been trying to trace down exactly where he was born. Can anyone
>> help me with this?
>> 
>> Phyllis
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover

Date: 2002/11/24 19:22:46
From: Phyllis A. Heller <rpheller(a)fmctc.com>

Wiford and Barbara,
Thank you.  I did make an error in the spelling of Witemburg-it should
have been  WIRTEMBURG -  When I checked the internet, this seems to
be in the Westphalia area of Germany. And I too thought that "Bairne"
might mean Bayern or Bavaria.  On other records I have found it says he came
from Hannover.  Just thought Wirtemburg may have also been a town in the old
Kingdom of Hannover.

Phyllis


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover


Hallo Phyllis,
sorry, but this place or these places are not existant. Perhaps that means BAYERN -
WUERTTEMBERG - HANNOVER, three former kingdoms of Germany. Or WIRTENBURG means WITTENBURG,
WITTENBERG or WITTENBERGE, but these towns are not situated in the former kingdom of Hannover
(WITTENBURG in Mecklenburg, WITTENBERG and WITTENBERGE in Prussia).
But there may be a lot of other places with a spelling near Wirtenburg or Bairne).
Sorry!
Wilfried

"Phyllis A. Heller" <rpheller(a)fmctc.com> schrieb:
>>From the census records of 1860-1880 I have seen these places listed
>as my GGgrandfathers place of birth.  BAIRNE-WIRTEMBURG-HANNOVER.
>Are these places one and the same in the former Kingdom of Hannover?
>I have been trying to trace down exactly where he was born. Can anyone
>help me with this?
>
>Phyllis
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover

Date: 2002/11/24 22:01:05
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Phyllis,
sorry, but also WIRTEMBURG is not existing neither in  the former kingdom of Hannover nor in Westphalia nor elsewere in Germany. I think, it means indeed WUERTTEMBERG. I have no other solution. 
It is very important to know and to use the correct spelling, because there are a lot of places with a name with a different but similar spelling and there are also many different places with exact the same name too.
Wilfried (not Wiford)

"Phyllis A. Heller" <rpheller(a)fmctc.com> schrieb:
>Wiford and Barbara,
>Thank you.  I did make an error in the spelling of Witemburg-it should
>have been  WIRTEMBURG -  When I checked the internet, this seems to
>be in the Westphalia area of Germany. And I too thought that "Bairne"
>might mean Bayern or Bavaria.  On other records I have found it says he came
>from Hannover.  Just thought Wirtemburg may have also been a town in the old
>Kingdom of Hannover.
>
>Phyllis
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wilfried Petersen" <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover
>
>
>Hallo Phyllis,
>sorry, but this place or these places are not existant. Perhaps that means BAYERN -
>WUERTTEMBERG - HANNOVER, three former kingdoms of Germany. Or WIRTENBURG means WITTENBURG,
>WITTENBERG or WITTENBERGE, but these towns are not situated in the former kingdom of Hannover
>(WITTENBURG in Mecklenburg, WITTENBERG and WITTENBERGE in Prussia).
>But there may be a lot of other places with a spelling near Wirtenburg or Bairne).
>Sorry!
>Wilfried
>
>"Phyllis A. Heller" <rpheller(a)fmctc.com> schrieb:
>>>From the census records of 1860-1880 I have seen these places listed
>>as my GGgrandfathers place of birth.  BAIRNE-WIRTEMBURG-HANNOVER.
>>Are these places one and the same in the former Kingdom of Hannover?
>>I have been trying to trace down exactly where he was born. Can anyone
>>help me with this?
>>
>>Phyllis
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [HN] Holtorf

Date: 2002/11/24 22:54:03
From: HermannMiethe <HermannMiethe(a)aol.com>

Hello Clarice,

Holtorf Amtsgarten means "Holtorf im Amt Gartow"  (Amt = smallest 
administrative district in Kingdom of Hannover, today "Landkreis")
Holtorf belongs today to 29493 Schnackenburg an der Elbe.

Regards

Hermann Miethe


Re: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover

Date: 2002/11/25 06:44:18
From: Gary E. Myer <bruggeym(a)bcpl.net>

Phyllis,
I'm confused by your first message. Were you referring to one specific grandfather? Or different grandfathers in the 1860 through 1880 censuses? Were the placenames shown for the grandfather or the grandmother? Can you possibly locate other kinds of resources to check? Local newspaper obituaries? Cemetery records? Religious records? Tombstones? Census records are notoriously vague and inaccurate. Is it possible that your ancestor was an itinerant merchant who may have lived at various times in his life in all three former kingdoms of Germany (Bayern, Württemberg, Hannover)?

--Gary


--
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Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
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[HN] HENKE surname

Date: 2002/11/25 07:21:12
From: John Lannom <jlannom(a)fuse.net>

Is anyone on the list researching the HENKE surname.?  If so please contact me.  I have a lot of HENKE information.  My e-mail address is: jlannom(a)fuse.net

Thank you,
Carole Lannom


Re: [HN] HENKE surname

Date: 2002/11/25 07:42:03
From: BZanon <BZanon(a)aol.com>

In a message dated 11/25/2002 12:22:21 AM Central Standard Time, 
jlannom(a)fuse.net writes:

> Is anyone on the list researching the HENKE surname>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
> 
I have HENKE in my line, but my ancestor is from Hunnaveyr, Haute Rhin, 
Alsace Lorraine, France.  If there's a connection, that would be great.
Beverly Mack Zanon


Descendants of Caroline Henke
                    
    1   HENKE, Caroline b: 1831 in Hunnaveyr, Haute Rhin, Alsace Lorraine, 
France      d: May 20, 1912 Hunnaveyr, Haute Rhin, Alsace Lorraine, France
..      +STADLER, Johann    b: 1829 in Hunnaveyr, Haute Rhin, Alsace 
Lorraine, France    m: 1859 in Hunnaveyr, Haute Rhin, Alsace Lorraine, France   
d: Around WWI in Hunnaveyr, Haute Rhin, Alsace Lorraine, France
........... 2   STADLER, Barbara    b: August 10, 1869 in Hunnaveyr, Haute 
Rhin, Alsace Lorraine, France       d: June 23, 1937 Ribeauville, Haute Rhin, 
 Alsace Lorraine, France
...............     +WISSER, Louis  b: October 13, 1868 in Ribeauville, Haute 
Rhin, Alsace Lorraine, France   m: January 31, 1890 in Ribeauville, Haute 
Rhin,  Alsace-Lorraine, France  d: June 29, 1951 Maywood, Cook County, 
Illinois


[HN] Re: GedBas - Ancestry.com

Date: 2002/11/25 10:12:51
From: Poitzsch, Torsten <Torsten.Poitzsch(a)bjb.de>

Meine bisherigen
>Ergebnisse sind detailliert unter
http://www.ancestry.com/trees/awt/main.htm
<http://www.ancestry.com/trees/awt/main.htm> 
>veröffentlicht. Da das ganze kostenlos ist und im Gegensatz zu den
Mormonen,
>die Daten auch jederzeit wieder gelöscht werden können, kann ich diese
>Webseite zum Veröffentlichen von Stammbäumen nur empfehlen. Ich finde sie
>zumindestens geeigneter, als eigene Homepages zu schalten. Allerdings ist
>die Site in Englisch.

Warum in die Ferne, wenn Du das auch in Deutschland haben kannst.
Unter http://gedbas.genealogy.net <http://gedbas.genealogy.net/>  findest Du
fast das gleiche, aber in
Deutsch und mehr deutsche Einreicher als bei ancestry.com.

Also ruhig mal GedBas ansehen, anmelden und mitmachen. Dazu braucht man
nicht Mitglied in einem Verein sein. Also auch kostenlos.


Danke für den Hinweis. Habe ich auch gleich gemacht. Ancestry ist aber
trotzdem gut zum Weiterempfehlen, da dort sehr viele Amerikaner ihre
deutschen Vorfahren ablegen. Ich habe dort jedenfalls schon was gefunden und
bei GedBas bisher nichts. Am besten sollte man wohl beide Möglichkeiten
nutzen.

Gruß Torsten




Re: [HN] HENKE surname

Date: 2002/11/25 13:52:06
From: Stephen Henken <steprush(a)optonline.net>

Reply to a message posted by Beverly Mack Zanon:

My last name is Henken and am interested to see if there might be a connection in the lineage.

Thanks,
Stephen C. Henken


Re: [HN] HENKE surname

Date: 2002/11/25 17:12:26
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

We have also some Henke in southern of the province of Oldenburg. But then they should be catholic.
Werner

> Reply to a message posted by Beverly Mack Zanon:

> My last name is Henken and am interested to see if there might be a
> connection in the lineage.

> Thanks,
> Stephen C. Henken

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Re: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover

Date: 2002/11/25 19:49:33
From: Rolf Schulenburg <rolf.schulenburg(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Phyllis!
Its possibly, that Wirtemburg was perhaps "Wittenburg", a small village 15km
in the west of Hildesheim, which was still 1866 a part of the kingdom of
Hanover.
Rolf from Hamburg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phyllis A. Heller" <rpheller(a)fmctc.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: [HN] Bairne-Witemburg-Hannover


> >From the census records of 1860-1880 I have seen these places listed
> as my GGgrandfathers place of birth.  BAIRNE-WIRTEMBURG-HANNOVER.
> Are these places one and the same in the former Kingdom of Hannover?
> I have been trying to trace down exactly where he was born. Can anyone
> help me with this?
>
> Phyllis
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] HENKE surname

Date: 2002/11/26 13:53:58
From: W Taber <royharper(a)ameritech.net>

Werner,

Please excuse my ignorance, but why do you say "they should be catholic". Is there no Evangelical Lutheran church establishment in that area?

Thank You,
William Taber

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:11:26 +0100
From: Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de (Werner Honkomp)
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] HENKE surname

We have also some Henke in southern of the province of Oldenburg. But then they should be catholic.
Werner

 Reply to a message posted by Beverly Mack Zanon:

 My last name is Henken and am interested to see if there might be a
 connection in the lineage.

 Thanks,
 > Stephen C. Henken


[HN] Wietzen

Date: 2002/11/26 18:21:54
From: Joan Shrader <joan(a)greenbackacres.com>

Geography question.

If I am looking for census records for families
who lived in Wietzen, should I look in the
Nienburg census?

Joan



Re: [HN] Wietzen

Date: 2002/11/26 22:50:33
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>

Hi Joan, 

"Amt" Nienburg is correct for finding records on Wietzen

Greetings 

Falk

"Joan Shrader" <joan(a)greenbackacres.com> schrieb:
> Geography question.
> 
> If I am looking for census records for families
> who lived in Wietzen, should I look in the
> Nienburg census?
> 
> Joan
> 
> 
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen 

Falk Liebezeit
Friedrichstr. 25 
49356 Diepholz

 05441-7336


[HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/27 03:31:37
From: Thomas J. Kerr <tjkerr(a)erols.com>

Could someone who has access to the Germans  to America  set of
CD"s look up the following names for me.

I would be greatful for their effort.


Brunko,  Frederick  arrived  between 1888 and 1893.

Weimann, Gerhard  arrived on  May 8, 1882 at baltimore , Maryland.

Topnick or Topnic, John  arrived  about 1890

Thank you  again

Thomas




Re: [HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/27 03:57:52
From: Laura DePaolis <ldepaolis(a)earthlink.net>

Dear Thomas,

Unfortunately for most of us, the Germans to America series ends at 1888(1850 to 1888).  

RE: BRUNKO   from Germans to America, 1875-1888 

Brunko, Albertine
    Age:  5     
    Gender:  Female     
    Occupation Code:  Child     
    Country:  Germany     
    Last Residence:  Unknown     
    Final Destination:  USA     
    Port of Embarkation:  Bremen     
    Manifest ID Number:  15851     
    Ship's Name:  Hohenzollern     
Date of Arrival:  May 05, 1881     

Brunko, Emilie
    Age:  42     
    Gender:  Female     
    Occupation Code:  Wife     
    Country:  Germany     
    Last Residence:  Unknown     
    Final Destination:  USA     
    Port of Embarkation:  Bremen     
    Manifest ID Number:  15851     
    Ship's Name:  Hohenzollern     
Date of Arrival:  May 05, 1881     

Brunko, Johann
    Age:  40     
    Gender:  Male     
    Occupation Code:  Laborer     
    Country:  Germany     
    Last Residence:  Unknown     
    Final Destination:  USA     
    Port of Embarkation:  Bremen     
    Manifest ID Number:  15851     
    Ship's Name:  Hohenzollern     
Date of Arrival:  May 05, 1881     

Brunko, Richard
    Age:  9     
    Gender:  Male     
    Occupation Code:  Child     
    Country:  Germany     
    Last Residence:  Unknown     
    Final Destination:  USA     
    Port of Embarkation:  Bremen     
    Manifest ID Number:  15851     
    Ship's Name:  Hohenzollern     
Date of Arrival:  May 05, 1881

No Frederick-but they might be a relative of yours.
 

RE: WEIMANN

Weimann, G.
    Age:  40     
    Gender:  Male     
    Occupation Code:  Farmer     
    Country:  Germany     
    Last Residence:  Unknown     
    Final Destination:  Pennsylvania     
    Port of Embarkation:  Bremen     
    Manifest ID Number:  15918     
    Ship's Name:  Baltimore     
Date of Arrival:  May 08, 1882 

RE: TOPNICK

Topnick, Marcila
    Age:  23     
    Gender:  Female     
    Occupation Code:  Spinster     
    Country:  Germany     
    Last Residence:  Unknown     
    Final Destination:  USA     
    Port of Embarkation:  Liverpool     
    Manifest ID Number:  12392     
    Ship's Name:  Iowa     
Date of Arrival:  May 03, 1888               

No TOPNIC/No John

You might try going through the volumes at "Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild" http://istg.rootsweb.com/index1.html

Good luck,

Regards,

Laura DePaolis
Sugar Land, TX

At 09:32 PM 11/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Could someone who has access to the Germans  to America  set of
>CD"s look up the following names for me.
>
>I would be greatful for their effort.
>
>
>Brunko,  Frederick  arrived  between 1888 and 1893.
>
>Weimann, Gerhard  arrived on  May 8, 1882 at baltimore , Maryland.
>
>Topnick or Topnic, John  arrived  about 1890
>
>Thank you  again
>
>Thomas
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/27 04:30:46
From: Thomas J. Kerr <tjkerr(a)erols.com>

Thank you

I did not expect an answer so quickly

Thomas


----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura DePaolis" <ldepaolis(a)earthlink.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] German to America lookup


> Dear Thomas,
>
> Unfortunately for most of us, the Germans to America series ends at 1888(1850 to
1888).
>
> RE: BRUNKO   from Germans to America, 1875-1888
>
> Brunko, Albertine
>     Age:  5
>     Gender:  Female
>     Occupation Code:  Child
>     Country:  Germany
>     Last Residence:  Unknown
>     Final Destination:  USA
>     Port of Embarkation:  Bremen
>     Manifest ID Number:  15851
>     Ship's Name:  Hohenzollern
> Date of Arrival:  May 05, 1881
>
> Brunko, Emilie
>     Age:  42
>     Gender:  Female
>     Occupation Code:  Wife
>     Country:  Germany
>     Last Residence:  Unknown
>     Final Destination:  USA
>     Port of Embarkation:  Bremen
>     Manifest ID Number:  15851
>     Ship's Name:  Hohenzollern
> Date of Arrival:  May 05, 1881
>
> Brunko, Johann
>     Age:  40
>     Gender:  Male
>     Occupation Code:  Laborer
>     Country:  Germany
>     Last Residence:  Unknown
>     Final Destination:  USA
>     Port of Embarkation:  Bremen
>     Manifest ID Number:  15851
>     Ship's Name:  Hohenzollern
> Date of Arrival:  May 05, 1881
>
> Brunko, Richard
>     Age:  9
>     Gender:  Male
>     Occupation Code:  Child
>     Country:  Germany
>     Last Residence:  Unknown
>     Final Destination:  USA
>     Port of Embarkation:  Bremen
>     Manifest ID Number:  15851
>     Ship's Name:  Hohenzollern
> Date of Arrival:  May 05, 1881
>
> No Frederick-but they might be a relative of yours.
>
>
> RE: WEIMANN
>
> Weimann, G.
>     Age:  40
>     Gender:  Male
>     Occupation Code:  Farmer
>     Country:  Germany
>     Last Residence:  Unknown
>     Final Destination:  Pennsylvania
>     Port of Embarkation:  Bremen
>     Manifest ID Number:  15918
>     Ship's Name:  Baltimore
> Date of Arrival:  May 08, 1882
>
> RE: TOPNICK
>
> Topnick, Marcila
>     Age:  23
>     Gender:  Female
>     Occupation Code:  Spinster
>     Country:  Germany
>     Last Residence:  Unknown
>     Final Destination:  USA
>     Port of Embarkation:  Liverpool
>     Manifest ID Number:  12392
>     Ship's Name:  Iowa
> Date of Arrival:  May 03, 1888
>
> No TOPNIC/No John
>
> You might try going through the volumes at "Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild"
http://istg.rootsweb.com/index1.html
>
> Good luck,
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura DePaolis
> Sugar Land, TX
>
> At 09:32 PM 11/26/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Could someone who has access to the Germans  to America  set of
> >CD"s look up the following names for me.
> >
> >I would be greatful for their effort.
> >
> >
> >Brunko,  Frederick  arrived  between 1888 and 1893.
> >
> >Weimann, Gerhard  arrived on  May 8, 1882 at baltimore , Maryland.
> >
> >Topnick or Topnic, John  arrived  about 1890
> >
> >Thank you  again
> >
> >Thomas
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/27 05:08:41
From: Leslie Carlson <1carlson(a)grapevine.net>

Thomas:  The only CD I had was before 1888 and I found:
Weimann, 40 yrs., farmer, destination Pennsylvania, Manifest ID 15918 from
Bremen on the Ship Baltimore.  Also Ernest age 11 yrs., Minna age 8 yrs,
Maria 6 months, Louise 20 yrs., Heinrich 11 months, and Johanna 6 years.
All these had the same everything including the manifest number.  Hope this
helps.
Leslie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas J. Kerr" <tjkerr(a)erols.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:32 PM
Subject: [HN] German to America lookup


> Could someone who has access to the Germans  to America  set of
> CD"s look up the following names for me.
>
> I would be greatful for their effort.
>
>
> Brunko,  Frederick  arrived  between 1888 and 1893.
>
> Weimann, Gerhard  arrived on  May 8, 1882 at baltimore , Maryland.
>
> Topnick or Topnic, John  arrived  about 1890
>
> Thank you  again
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
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>
>



Re: [HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/27 05:08:42
From: Leslie Carlson <1carlson(a)grapevine.net>

Thomas:  I also found on the same ship Baltimore and the same Manifest #
15918:
Ernest age 11 yrs.
Minna age 8 yrs.
Maria 6 months
Louise 20 yrs.
Henrich 11 months
Johanna 6 yrs.
Hope this helps.
Leslie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas J. Kerr" <tjkerr(a)erols.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:32 PM
Subject: [HN] German to America lookup


> Could someone who has access to the Germans  to America  set of
> CD"s look up the following names for me.
>
> I would be greatful for their effort.
>
>
> Brunko,  Frederick  arrived  between 1888 and 1893.
>
> Weimann, Gerhard  arrived on  May 8, 1882 at baltimore , Maryland.
>
> Topnick or Topnic, John  arrived  about 1890
>
> Thank you  again
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
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>
>



Re: [HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/27 05:10:25
From: Leslie Carlson <1carlson(a)grapevine.net>

Sorry about 2 messages but I thought my computer had eaten the first.
Leslie
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> 
> 



[HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/27 14:43:29
From: Lorine McGinnis Schulze <otg(a)csolve.net>

 Subject: [HN] German to America lookup > >

> > > > Could someone who has access to the Germans  to America 
set of > > CD"s look up the following names for me. > > > >

Hello,

You can try the online database link at GERMANS &
SWISS TO USA > found at

http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/germanstousa.shtml

Click on ONLINE PASSENGER LISTS. 
Lorine

**Search Ships Passenger Lists to USA 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_ships.shtml

**Search Ships Passenger Lists to Canada 
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/search_shipscanada.shtml

**Search Ships Passenger Lists to Australia/New Zealand
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/searchships_aus.shtml

otg(a)csolve.net




Re: [HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/27 15:18:54
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>





Dear Thomas,

Have you tried Ellis Island.org? I believe the records on that site are up through 1892.

Barb


From: "Thomas J. Kerr" <tjkerr(a)erols.com>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Subject: [HN] German to America lookup
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:32:32 -0500

Could someone who has access to the Germans  to America  set of
CD"s look up the following names for me.

I would be greatful for their effort.


Brunko,  Frederick  arrived  between 1888 and 1893.

Weimann, Gerhard  arrived on  May 8, 1882 at baltimore , Maryland.

Topnick or Topnic, John  arrived  about 1890

Thank you  again

Thomas



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[HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/11/27 18:09:43
From: Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D. <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>

Good Morning Listers;

My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in 1872. We have no detailed information about the family that he left in Europe. Recently, we discovered two German language documents that may relate to him. Unfortunately, none of us speak German. I am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing to translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short note). I have posted the documents on the following website.

http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/

Thank you for your assistance.

Gary
--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu


Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/11/27 18:39:28
From: WBL435 <WBL435(a)aol.com>

I can't translate but here is a service that I have used with good success.

Send e-mail to:  trans(a)genealogientz.de
The first line should read:  #GER>ENG

There is a 40 line limit per e-mail.  You will be sent back a translation by 
e-mail.

They will also translate from English to German.  In the first line use:  
#GER>ENG

Type in the body of the email what you want translated.
Good Luck,
Bill L.


Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/11/27 19:04:21
From: Erika Giftge <Giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hi Gary,

I'll try to translate. I can tell you right now that the first is a post
card with greetings and the second is a recipe for preserving cucumbers.
I'll get back tio you later.
Erika

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D." <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: [HN] requested translations


> Good Morning Listers;
>
> My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in
> 1872.  We have no detailed information  about the family that he left
> in Europe.  Recently, we discovered two German language documents
> that may relate to him.  Unfortunately, none of us speak German.  I
> am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing to
> translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short note).  I
> have posted the documents on the following website.
>
> http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/
>
> Thank you for your assistance.
>
> Gary
> --
> Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Physiology
> Northeastern Ohio Universities
>    College of Medicine
> Box 95
> Rootstown, Ohio 44272
> 330 325 6420 (office)
> 330 325 5912 (FAX)
> gdn(a)neoucom.edu
>
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Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/11/27 20:15:06
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>





Dear Dr. Niehaus,

Lucky for you to have those precious treasures.
Barb

P.S. There is a John Nienhaus buried at Calvary Cemetery in St. Louis, Missouri. I cme across this while coping an internment record from microfilm from some of my ancestors. It doesn't have an age or date of burial but does say the lot was purchased on 14 May 1879. Thought I'd share with you, though the spelling is slightly different, seems that there were alot of people of from Hannover that came to the midwest.

For those who may have had Catholic ancestors in the St. Louis,Missouri area, here is a free search site:

http://www.stlcathcem.com/iSearch.aspx

Regards,
Barb




From: "Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D." <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] requested translations
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:06:37 -0800

Good Morning Listers;

My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in 1872. We have no detailed information about the family that he left in Europe. Recently, we discovered two German language documents that may relate to him. Unfortunately, none of us speak German. I am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing to translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short note). I have posted the documents on the following website.

http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/

Thank you for your assistance.

Gary
--
Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Physiology
Northeastern Ohio Universities
  College of Medicine
Box 95
Rootstown, Ohio 44272
330 325 6420 (office)
330 325 5912 (FAX)
gdn(a)neoucom.edu

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Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/11/27 21:39:37
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

The letter came from Diepholz, therfore I forwared your email to Falk Liebezeit, a researcher in Diepholz.
See also www.diepholz.de

Werner

> Good Morning Listers;

> My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in
> 1872.  We have no detailed information  about the family that he left
> in Europe.  Recently, we discovered two German language documents
> that may relate to him.  Unfortunately, none of us speak German.  I
> am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing to
> translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short note).  I
> have posted the documents on the following website.

> http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/

> Thank you for your assistance.

> Gary
> --
> Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Physiology
> Northeastern Ohio Universities
>    College of Medicine
> Box 95
> Rootstown, Ohio 44272
> 330 325 6420 (office)
> 330 325 5912 (FAX)
> gdn(a)neoucom.edu

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Re: [HN] requested translations

Date: 2002/11/27 22:08:45
From: Erika Giftge <Giftge(a)t-online.de>

Hi Gary,
here are the documents in German and English. There are a few words which I
could not decifer at once, but perhaps this helps for the moment.

Card from Diepholz

26 June 1910

Lieber Onkel und TAnte!
Wir vier senden Euch hier durch herzl. Gruesse. Wir sind alle gesund und
munter welches wir von euch auch hoffen. Hier ist schlechtes Wetter. Wir
sind am Heuen hier. Last mal recht bald was von Euch hören Herzl Gruesse von
Mutti und Bruder. Anna HArtlage.


Dear Uncle and Aunt
We four are sending you our best greetings. All of us are healthy and  well
which we hope is also true with you. The weather is bad here. We are making
hay. Please write back soon. Greetngs from Mother and Brother  Anna Hartlage


recipes:

Sweet cucumbers

Von mittlerer Größe schält man schneidet sie der Länge nach mitten
auseinander. Kocht ... sie in Essig... trocknet sie mit einem tuche, spickt
sie mit Zimmt und Nelken, schichtet sie in Gläsern und überschüttet sie mit
aufgekochten und wieder erkaltetem und ....Zucker. auf jedes pfund
Gurken1... Essig und 1/2 pfund zucker


peel middle sized ones and cut them in the middle lenghthwise and cook them
in vinegar, dry them with a cloth,
Eingemachte grüne tomaten lard them with cinemon and cloves. put them into
glasses in layers and pour over it
boiled and later cooled down mixture. one pound (500g) of cucumbers ...
vinegar and 1/2 ound of sugar
(I'll try to come up with the words in ... later. The recipe is not written
in complete sentences, more like someone noted it down for his/her own use
only. I would guess it was written in the US as the next recipe mentiones
"Unze " = ounces)

Preserving of green tomatoes

Zwei... mit grünen Tomaten und 6 Zwiebeln werden in Scheiben geschnitten,
mit salz bestreut. und über Nacht stehen gelassen. am nächsten Morgen legt
man sie immer  topf u ... schichtenweise mit den folgenden Gewürzen:
2 ganzen schwarzen Pfeffer 1/2 unze heile Nelken 1/2 Senfmehl 1/2 unze   all
man übergießt das ganze mit scharfem Essig läßt 1/2 Stunde langsam kochen
und bringt ... Einmachgläsern

slice two ... of green tomatoes and 6 onions , sprinkle with salt and set
aside over night.
next morning put them into a pot (glas??) in layers with 2 whole black
pepper corns, !/2 ounce of whole cloves, 1/2 ounce of mustard meal and 1/2
once of ..., pour over it vinegar at let it simmer for 1/2 hour, put into
jars.

I am not sure of all the words, perhaps there is someone els who can come up
with the rest of the words.

I grew up not too far from Diepholz and my parents used to make cucumbers
like that whereas the tomato recipe might be an invention that originated in
the States.

Hope this has helped some!.
Erika

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D." <gdn(a)neoucom.edu>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: [HN] requested translations


> Good Morning Listers;
>
> My great grand father came to the United States from Hannover in
> 1872.  We have no detailed information  about the family that he left
> in Europe.  Recently, we discovered two German language documents
> that may relate to him.  Unfortunately, none of us speak German.  I
> am writing to ask if anyone on this list would be willing to
> translate those two small documents (a postcard and a short note).  I
> have posted the documents on the following website.
>
> http://web.neoucom.edu/~gdn/
>
> Thank you for your assistance.
>
> Gary
> --
> Gary D. Niehaus, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Physiology
> Northeastern Ohio Universities
>    College of Medicine
> Box 95
> Rootstown, Ohio 44272
> 330 325 6420 (office)
> 330 325 5912 (FAX)
> gdn(a)neoucom.edu
>
> _______________________________________________
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[HN] Surname

Date: 2002/11/27 22:18:41
From: Andy <AJGuill(a)ev1.net>

Hi Everyone,
Could someone please tell me if the surname NIHITZER is German. I may not be spelling it correctly. If someone knows the correct spelling I would appreciate any information you can help me with.  

Also looking for information on a Stefan Potzman.

Thank you,
Beth


Re: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine

Date: 2002/11/27 22:19:10
From: Andrea Immel <info(a)andrea-immel.de>

Hallo Almut,

hier einmal die Ortschaften im Landkreis Peine und nähere Umgebung, in denen
ich forsche:

Abbensen (31234) - Edemissen b. Peine
Adenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
Ahstedt (31174) - Schellerten
Arpke (31275) - Lehrte b. Hannover
Bierbergen (31249) - Hohenhameln
Clauen (31249) - Hohenhameln
Dungelbeck (3122.) - Peine
Gadenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
Groß Bülten (31241) - Ilsede
Groß Ilsede (31241) - Ilsede
Groß Lafferde (31246) - Lahstedt
Groß Lobke (31191) - Algermissen
Groß Solschen (31241) - Ilsede
Handorf (3122.) - Peine
Hannover (30...)
Hänigsen (31311) - Uetze
Hohenassel (38272) - Burgdorf b. Salzgitter
Hohenhameln (31249)
Klein Bülten (31241) - Ilsede
Klein Ilsede (31241) - Ilsede
Kl. Himstedt (31185) - Söhlde
Klein Lafferde (38268) - Lengede
Kleinburgwedel (30938) - Burgwedel
Lehre (38165)
Lehrte (31275) b. Hannover
Lengede (38268)
Lüerdissen am Ith (37635)
Münstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
Neu Oelsburg (31241) - Ilsede
Neu Ölsburg (31241) - Ilsede
Oberg (31246) - Lahstedt
Oedesse (31234) - Edemissen b. Peine
Oelsburg (31241) - Ilsede
Ölsburg (31241) - Ilsede
Peine (3122.)
Rötzum (31249) - Hohenhameln
Schmedenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
Söhlde (31185)
Stederdorf (3122.) - Peine
Stedum (31249) - Hohenhameln
Steinwedel (31275) - Lehrte b. Hannover
Vöhrum (3122.) - Peine
Woltorf (3122.) - Peine

Leider tauchen Deine Namen bislang nicht bei mir auf. Aber vielleicht ja
später einmal.

Gruß

Andrea



Re: [HN] German to America lookup

Date: 2002/11/28 00:37:01
From: cfws <cfws(a)juno.com>

Hi Barb
The Ellis Island.org site "begins" at 1892.

Chuck
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:18:53 -0600 "Cactus Flower"
<barbie8674(a)hotmail.com> writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Thomas,
> 
> Have you tried Ellis Island.org?  I believe the records on that site 
> are up 
> through 1892.
> 
> Barb
> 
> 
> >From: "Thomas J. Kerr" <tjkerr(a)erols.com>
> >Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> >To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> >Subject: [HN] German to America lookup
> >Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:32:32 -0500
> >
> >Could someone who has access to the Germans  to America  set of
> >CD"s look up the following names for me.
> >
> >I would be greatful for their effort.
> >
> >
> >Brunko,  Frederick  arrived  between 1888 and 1893.
> >
> >Weimann, Gerhard  arrived on  May 8, 1882 at baltimore , Maryland.
> >
> >Topnick or Topnic, John  arrived  about 1890
> >
> >Thank you  again
> >
> >Thomas
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine

Date: 2002/11/28 01:37:14
From: Gloepertz <Gloepertz(a)aol.com>

Hallo Andrea      
Ich suche nach Information für die Löpertz Familie in der Ilsede (Groß & 
Klein), Ölsburg, und Handorf Gegenden. Besonders ist meine Intresse an Otto 
Löpertz und seine Frau Henriette Ernestine Wilhelmine Christiane, geborene 
Flentje, welcher  ihr Rufname war, ist mir unbekannt.  Er arbeitete in der 
Ilseder Hütte von 1878 bis er in 1922 pensioniert war. Er starb in Handorf in 
1935 wo er dort im Altershein der Hütte wohnte. Dieses von einen Nachruf der 
Ilseder Hütte. Auch ihre Nachkommen intressieren mich, ich habe die folgenen: 
Otto, mein Großvater, Karl Wily, und Anna, wenig Information von den letzen 
zwei. Da soll noch ein Sohn sein, da ich ein Bild mit drei Gebrüder, davon 
habe ich Otto und Karl Wily identifiziert, aber der dritte ist noch ein 
Geheimnis, aber ich denke es handelt sich mit Fritz oder Herman.
Otto und Henriette waren meine Urgroßeltern.
Ich danke im Voraus.
Viele Grüße aus Michigan
Günter Löpertz


[HN] Osterkamp

Date: 2002/11/28 03:28:19
From: John <jgj44(a)dejazzd.com>

Hi:
Trying find information on my wifes ggf.  He emigrated to Baltimore in 1865 at the age of 30.  Passenger list has him coming from Hannover, Germany where he was a tailor.
EILT OSTERKAMP  any help would be appreciated. 
John J. Good 
Lancaster, Pa

Re: [HN] Osterkamp

Date: 2002/11/28 04:04:19
From: John Siemon <jsiemon(a)bcpl.net>

John,
Do you have access to the census records?  I have an 1870 Index for
Baltimore and found the following:
Ostercamp, J, 35, born in Hanover, roll 573, Baltimore-4th Ward, page 61

That is the only close spelling and is probably him.  What ship did he
arrive on?  My ancestors arrived in Baltimore on Dec 12, 1865, on the
"Johannes Wilhelmine."

Also found the following in the 1890 Baltimore City Directory:
Osterkamp Eielt J, tailor, 614 n Washington
Osterkamp Fred W, tailor, 614 n Washington

John Siemon
Baltimore
----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <jgj44(a)dejazzd.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 6:28 PM
Subject: [HN] Osterkamp


> Hi:
> Trying find information on my wifes ggf.  He emigrated to Baltimore in
1865 at the age of 30.  Passenger list has him coming from Hannover, Germany
where he was a tailor.
> EILT OSTERKAMP  any help would be appreciated.
> John J. Good
> Lancaster, Pa
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Re: [HN] Osterkamp

Date: 2002/11/28 04:14:04
From: Barbara Stewart <raymondg(a)attbi.com>

Hello John,
        You might try this website  www.baumanor.com/gene/index.htm
There are Osterkamps listed there--maybe not your person directly, but there
is an Eilt Osterkamp and other members of the family.  At least, it may give
you an idea about where they came from. It mentions Dornum, Ostfriesland.
There is an email address for the person who has the family tree. The LDS
library has records for Dornum that are microfilmed.
Good luck,
Barbara 





on 11/27/02 7:28 PM, John at jgj44(a)dejazzd.com wrote:

> Hi:
> Trying find information on my wifes ggf.  He emigrated to Baltimore in 1865 at
> the age of 30.  Passenger list has him coming from Hannover, Germany where he
> was a tailor.
> EILT OSTERKAMP  any help would be appreciated.
> John J. Good 
> Lancaster, Pa
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[HN] Re: Hannover-L digest, Vol 1 #774 - 9 msgs

Date: 2002/11/28 06:26:53
From: Carol M. Duff <duffc(a)redwing.net>

Forwarded for Luana Bauer  lmbau(a)clear.lakes.com


Luana is researching the following surnames and locations........

Wente, Hans  born 1628 in Von Rolfshagen, Hannover, Prussia
    +Eichmeyers, Margarete  born 1632 in Rolfshagen, Hannover, Prussia
Kruckenburg, Johann  born 1590 in Aus Rolfshagen, Hannover, Prussia
     +Esterfeld, Margaret  born 1605  Aus Rolfshagen, Hannover, Prussia
Schrader, Herman, born 1590  Rolfshagen, Hannover, Prussia
Horstmeyer, Just, born ca 1600, Rolfshagen, Hannover, Prussia
Ruter, Johann Christian  26 Oct 1727, Fuhlen, Hannover, Prussia
     +Francken, Anne Margaret  born 1731, Rinteln,
Lohmeyer, Johan Herman  born 1683
      +Beermans, Catherine  born 1687, Egge, Hannover, Prussia

   Any advancement into the ancestry of the above persons would be greatly
appreciated.
    L M Bauer, a rural Minnesota farm woman






[HN] APPEL aus Hannover

Date: 2002/11/28 06:50:06
From: Gary E. Myer <bruggeym(a)bcpl.net>

APPEL, Johann, Bauer, wanderte 1850 von Hannover nach Illinois aus.  Kam mit
Ehefrau:  Eva, geb. KAMM/KAMMS (Herkunft in Volkszählungsliste:  Bayern [!])

Erstes Kind Valentin geboren einige Monate nach Ankunft in Illinois.

Konfession: Katholisch (es sei denn, er konvertierte als er die Bayerische-Katholische Eva heiratete)

Hat jemand Informationen über katholische Auswanderer aus dem ehemaligen Königreich Hannover, insbesondere über APPEL?

Alle Informationen bitte an:  Phyllis Heller <rpheller(a)fmctc.com>

--
Gary E. Myer
37 Colonial Drive
Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
(voice) 410-636-1113 (email) bruggeym(a)bcpl.net
I Cor 13:4 (from "The Message", Eugene H. Peterson's transl. of NT)





Re: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine

Date: 2002/11/28 08:21:05
From: Silvia Happel-Zumdohme <silvia(a)happel-zumdohme.de>

Hallo Andrea,

gibt es in deinen Unterlagen eine Familie "von Handorf" aus Handorf?

Viele Grüße
Silvia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Immel" <info(a)andrea-immel.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine


> Hallo Almut,
>
> hier einmal die Ortschaften im Landkreis Peine und nähere Umgebung, in
denen
> ich forsche:
>
> Abbensen (31234) - Edemissen b. Peine
> Adenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
> Ahstedt (31174) - Schellerten
> Arpke (31275) - Lehrte b. Hannover
> Bierbergen (31249) - Hohenhameln
> Clauen (31249) - Hohenhameln
> Dungelbeck (3122.) - Peine
> Gadenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
> Groß Bülten (31241) - Ilsede
> Groß Ilsede (31241) - Ilsede
> Groß Lafferde (31246) - Lahstedt
> Groß Lobke (31191) - Algermissen
> Groß Solschen (31241) - Ilsede
> Handorf (3122.) - Peine
> Hannover (30...)
> Hänigsen (31311) - Uetze
> Hohenassel (38272) - Burgdorf b. Salzgitter
> Hohenhameln (31249)
> Klein Bülten (31241) - Ilsede
> Klein Ilsede (31241) - Ilsede
> Kl. Himstedt (31185) - Söhlde
> Klein Lafferde (38268) - Lengede
> Kleinburgwedel (30938) - Burgwedel
> Lehre (38165)
> Lehrte (31275) b. Hannover
> Lengede (38268)
> Lüerdissen am Ith (37635)
> Münstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
> Neu Oelsburg (31241) - Ilsede
> Neu Ölsburg (31241) - Ilsede
> Oberg (31246) - Lahstedt
> Oedesse (31234) - Edemissen b. Peine
> Oelsburg (31241) - Ilsede
> Ölsburg (31241) - Ilsede
> Peine (3122.)
> Rötzum (31249) - Hohenhameln
> Schmedenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
> Söhlde (31185)
> Stederdorf (3122.) - Peine
> Stedum (31249) - Hohenhameln
> Steinwedel (31275) - Lehrte b. Hannover
> Vöhrum (3122.) - Peine
> Woltorf (3122.) - Peine
>
> Leider tauchen Deine Namen bislang nicht bei mir auf. Aber vielleicht ja
> später einmal.
>
> Gruß
>
> Andrea
>
>
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[HN] Osterkamp (John Siemon)

Date: 2002/11/28 17:29:27
From: John <jgj44(a)dejazzd.com>

Hi John:
Eilt Osterkamp arrived on the ship "Neptune" Sept. 13, 1965.

The ones u refer to in the 1890 directory are her ggf and g uncle.  Will check the 1870 census. 
 Thanks for the help.

Fw: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine

Date: 2002/11/28 18:22:11
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Die Familie "von Handorf" kommt im Ursprung aus Holdorf-Handorf bei Damme im Oldenburgischen.

Werner Honkomp, Oldenburg

----- Original Message -----
From: "Silvia Happel-Zumdohme" <silvia(a)happel-zumdohme.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine


> Hallo Andrea,
>
> gibt es in deinen Unterlagen eine Familie "von Handorf" aus Handorf?
>
> Viele Grüße
> Silvia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrea Immel" <info(a)andrea-immel.de>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine
>
>
> > Hallo Almut,
> >
> > hier einmal die Ortschaften im Landkreis Peine und nähere Umgebung, in
> denen
> > ich forsche:
> >
> > Abbensen (31234) - Edemissen b. Peine
> > Adenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
> > Ahstedt (31174) - Schellerten
> > Arpke (31275) - Lehrte b. Hannover
> > Bierbergen (31249) - Hohenhameln
> > Clauen (31249) - Hohenhameln
> > Dungelbeck (3122.) - Peine
> > Gadenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
> > Groß Bülten (31241) - Ilsede
> > Groß Ilsede (31241) - Ilsede
> > Groß Lafferde (31246) - Lahstedt
> > Groß Lobke (31191) - Algermissen
> > Groß Solschen (31241) - Ilsede
> > Handorf (3122.) - Peine
> > Hannover (30...)
> > Hänigsen (31311) - Uetze
> > Hohenassel (38272) - Burgdorf b. Salzgitter
> > Hohenhameln (31249)
> > Klein Bülten (31241) - Ilsede
> > Klein Ilsede (31241) - Ilsede
> > Kl. Himstedt (31185) - Söhlde
> > Klein Lafferde (38268) - Lengede
> > Kleinburgwedel (30938) - Burgwedel
> > Lehre (38165)
> > Lehrte (31275) b. Hannover
> > Lengede (38268)
> > Lüerdissen am Ith (37635)
> > Münstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
> > Neu Oelsburg (31241) - Ilsede
> > Neu Ölsburg (31241) - Ilsede
> > Oberg (31246) - Lahstedt
> > Oedesse (31234) - Edemissen b. Peine
> > Oelsburg (31241) - Ilsede
> > Ölsburg (31241) - Ilsede
> > Peine (3122.)
> > Rötzum (31249) - Hohenhameln
> > Schmedenstedt (31246) - Lahstedt
> > Söhlde (31185)
> > Stederdorf (3122.) - Peine
> > Stedum (31249) - Hohenhameln
> > Steinwedel (31275) - Lehrte b. Hannover
> > Vöhrum (3122.) - Peine
> > Woltorf (3122.) - Peine
> >
> > Leider tauchen Deine Namen bislang nicht bei mir auf. Aber vielleicht ja
> > später einmal.
> >
> > Gruß
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> >
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[HN] APPEL aus Hannover: Korrektur

Date: 2002/11/29 05:34:38
From: Gary E. Myer <bruggeym(a)bcpl.net>

APPEL, Johann, Bauer, wanderte 1850 von Hannover nach Illinois aus. Kam mit Ehefrau: Eva, geb. KAMM/KAMMS (Herkunft in Volkszählungsliste: Bayern [!]) und vier Kindern.

Fünftes Kind Valentin geboren einige Monate nach Ankunft in Illinois.

Konfession:  Katholisch

Hat jemand Informationen über katholische Auswanderer aus dem ehemaligen Königreich Hannover, insbesondere über APPEL?

Alle Informationen bitte an:  Phyllis Heller <rpheller(a)fmctc.com>

--
Gary E. Myer
37 Colonial Drive
Linthicum Heights, MD 21090
(voice) 410-636-1113 (email) bruggeym(a)bcpl.net
I Cor 13:4 (from "The Message", Eugene H. Peterson's transl. of NT)




Antw: [HN] Gedcom-Datei - Wie öffnen ??

Date: 2002/11/29 08:08:37
From: Falk Liebezeit <Falk.Liebezeit(a)diepholz.de>

Mit PAF (Personal Ancestral File), Ueber
Daten
    Importieren 

vorher musst Du eine Datei anlegen, in die Du die Daten dann hereinholst

Gruss 

aus Diepholz

Falk 

>>> Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de 23.11.2002  17.58 Uhr >>>
Kann mir jemand in dieser Liste beschreiben mit welchem Program bzw. wie ich ein mir per email überlassene .ged (Gedcom) - Datei von 2,7 MB lesen kann???

Schon jetzt besten Dank!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Göttingen
Reinhard J. Freytag

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[HN] Re: Nihitzer

Date: 2002/11/29 18:58:47
From: "Wolfgang Schlüter" <Wolfgang.Schluter(a)t-online.de>

I could not find Nihitzer in the german telephone directory and I have no idea what else it could mean. If you have that name in handwriting and have problems to read it, you could scan it and send it to my mail-addrss directly. I can try to find out what it means

Wolfgang.Schluter(a)t-online.de

"Andy" <AJGuill(a)ev1.net> schrieb:
> Hi Everyone,
> Could someone please tell me if the surname NIHITZER is German. I may not be spelling it correctly. If someone knows the correct spelling I would appreciate any information you can help me with.  
> 
> Also looking for information on a Stefan Potzman.
> 
> Thank you,
> Beth
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Re: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine

Date: 2002/11/29 21:26:46
From: Andrea Immel <info(a)andrea-immel.de>

Hallo Silvia,

eine Familie "von Handorf" aus Handorf habe ich leider nicht zu bieten.

Viele Grüße

Andrea



Re: [HN] Vorfahren aus dem Landkreis Peine

Date: 2002/11/29 21:30:48
From: Andrea Immel <info(a)andrea-immel.de>

Hallo Günter,

leider bin ich bislang noch nicht auf den Namen Löpertz gestoßen.

Wenn er irgend wann einmal bei mir auftauchen sollte, melde ich mich bei
Dir.

Schöne Grüße

Andrea Immel



[HN] EVERS, FRIEHLING, hAWICKHORST, kAETMANN, MEERMAN, MEYER, RUEVE, SANDT

Date: 2002/11/30 01:09:02
From: Frei Mauro <obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br>

It´s been a quite a while that I sent out any requests for information about
my ancestors.  Maybe some new relative has joined the list.  Or  maybe some
veteran has found out some new information.  I wish I knew a little more
about them  to help a little but I´m including  everything I know.  They are
all ancestors of my grandfather, Anton Hawickhorst, 1858 - 1920.  These are
the earliest ancestors that I know about but I´m also interested in trading
information with anyone who knows anything about these families.
1. Gerdt Hawickhorst, 1686 - ?, and Catherine Maria Margaret Evers were my
ggggg grandparents.
2. Maria Elizabeth Friehling, 1817 - 1880,  and John Clement
Hawickhorst,1816 -1869, were my g grandparents..
3. Catherine Elizabeth Kaetman, 1702 - 1786, and Franz Bruno Hawickhorst,
1700 - 1757,  were my gggg grandparents.
4. Anna Meerman and Herman Rueve, 1673 - ?, were my ggggg grandparents.
5. Angela Meyer, ? - 1767, and Herman Ruewe, 1709 - ?, were my gggg
grandparents.
6. Maria Elizabeth Sandt, 1776 - 1859, and Joh Herman Hawickhorst, 1783 -
1863, were my gg grandparents.
Hope to hear from some distant cousin who is willing to trade information.
Frei Mauro Hawickhorst, ofm





[HN] Information Request

Date: 2002/11/30 02:50:06
From: WBL435 <WBL435(a)aol.com>

What is the relationship of the following?
Kingdom of Hannover
deuchy of Braunschweig
City of Braunschweig
Town of Hextor in relation to any of the above.
Any help in understanding how these fit together would be highly appreciated. 
 E-mail to  wbl435(a)aol.com


Re: [HN] EVERS, FRIEHLING, hAWICKHORST, kAETMANN, MEERMAN, MEYER, RUEVE, SANDT

Date: 2002/11/30 04:31:42
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

There is a far-fetched possibility that the Angela Meyer might be in my
family tree.  I have been able only to trace my ancestry to Johann Heinrich
Meyer (1821-1877) who lived in Hannover, possibly in the village of
Oldendorf near Uelzen.  Do you have any other information on this name?
Tahnks.  Edward H Meyer

----------
>From: "Frei Mauro" <obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br>
>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: [HN] EVERS, FRIEHLING, hAWICKHORST, kAETMANN, MEERMAN,  MEYER, RUEVE,
SANDT
>Date: Fri, Nov 29, 2002, 7:04 PM
>

> It´s been a quite a while that I sent out any requests for information about
> my ancestors.  Maybe some new relative has joined the list.  Or  maybe some
> veteran has found out some new information.  I wish I knew a little more
> about them  to help a little but I´m including  everything I know.  They are
> all ancestors of my grandfather, Anton Hawickhorst, 1858 - 1920.  These are
> the earliest ancestors that I know about but I´m also interested in trading
> information with anyone who knows anything about these families.
> 1. Gerdt Hawickhorst, 1686 - ?, and Catherine Maria Margaret Evers were my
> ggggg grandparents.
> 2. Maria Elizabeth Friehling, 1817 - 1880,  and John Clement
> Hawickhorst,1816 -1869, were my g grandparents..
> 3. Catherine Elizabeth Kaetman, 1702 - 1786, and Franz Bruno Hawickhorst,
> 1700 - 1757,  were my gggg grandparents.
> 4. Anna Meerman and Herman Rueve, 1673 - ?, were my ggggg grandparents.
> 5. Angela Meyer, ? - 1767, and Herman Ruewe, 1709 - ?, were my gggg
> grandparents.
> 6. Maria Elizabeth Sandt, 1776 - 1859, and Joh Herman Hawickhorst, 1783 -
> 1863, were my gg grandparents.
> Hope to hear from some distant cousin who is willing to trade information.
> Frei Mauro Hawickhorst, ofm
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] EVERS, FRIEHLING, hAWICKHORST, kAETMANN, MEERMAN, MEYER, RUEVE, SANDT

Date: 2002/11/30 04:55:22
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>

Dear Edward,

I have seen some similar surnames to yours from the Holte Parish, Emsland, (near Meppen.)

The surnames that i know of are:

Rawe
Röve
Meyer/Meier
Sandt

I also know that these names also occur in St. Louis City, Missouri.

There were some Rawe/Roewe's that were baptismal witness' to some of my "FELDHAUS/Tobben" ancestors children, as well as Meier's.

I also noted that there was a marriage in St. Louis of a Sandt and Tobben. (though not known if related)

I have not yet proofed a relationship, but thought I'd let you know.

The names are from the Holte Parish where my 3GGF was baptised, so am assuming the St. Louisians knew one other, or may have been related. My grandfather Feldhaus was from Laehden, Holte Parish. His wife was from Bokeloh, Helt Parish, (though I do know that the surname Tobben is also in Holt.)

The church were my ancestors children were baptised was Shrine of St. Joseph Catholic Church in St. Louis, City, Missouri in the 1860's and 1870's. They immigrated in 1859.

Barb









From: "Edward Meyer" <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>
Reply-To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] EVERS, FRIEHLING, hAWICKHORST, kAETMANN, MEERMAN, MEYER, RUEVE, SANDT
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:32:08 -0600

There is a far-fetched possibility that the Angela Meyer might be in my
family tree.  I have been able only to trace my ancestry to Johann Heinrich
Meyer (1821-1877) who lived in Hannover, possibly in the village of
Oldendorf near Uelzen.  Do you have any other information on this name?
Tahnks.  Edward H Meyer

----------
>From: "Frei Mauro" <obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br>
>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: [HN] EVERS, FRIEHLING, hAWICKHORST, kAETMANN, MEERMAN, MEYER, RUEVE,
SANDT
>Date: Fri, Nov 29, 2002, 7:04 PM
>

> It´s been a quite a while that I sent out any requests for information about > my ancestors. Maybe some new relative has joined the list. Or maybe some
> veteran has found out some new information.  I wish I knew a little more
> about them to help a little but I´m including everything I know. They are > all ancestors of my grandfather, Anton Hawickhorst, 1858 - 1920. These are > the earliest ancestors that I know about but I´m also interested in trading
> information with anyone who knows anything about these families.
> 1. Gerdt Hawickhorst, 1686 - ?, and Catherine Maria Margaret Evers were my
> ggggg grandparents.
> 2. Maria Elizabeth Friehling, 1817 - 1880,  and John Clement
> Hawickhorst,1816 -1869, were my g grandparents..
> 3. Catherine Elizabeth Kaetman, 1702 - 1786, and Franz Bruno Hawickhorst,
> 1700 - 1757,  were my gggg grandparents.
> 4. Anna Meerman and Herman Rueve, 1673 - ?, were my ggggg grandparents.
> 5. Angela Meyer, ? - 1767, and Herman Ruewe, 1709 - ?, were my gggg
> grandparents.
> 6. Maria Elizabeth Sandt, 1776 - 1859, and Joh Herman Hawickhorst, 1783 -
> 1863, were my gg grandparents.
> Hope to hear from some distant cousin who is willing to trade information.
> Frei Mauro Hawickhorst, ofm
>
>
>
>
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Re: [HN] Information Request

Date: 2002/11/30 14:07:41
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>

Hallo wbl,
there is no Hextor in Germany, only Höxter (Hoexter).
Höxter has no relations  neither to Hannover nor to Braunschweig. It is situated on the river Weser in the former Provinz Westfalen (Westphalia) of Preussen (Prussia).
The city of Braunschweig was the capital of the duchy of Braunschweig, the city of Hannover was the capital of the kingdom of Hannover. The kingdom of Hannover existed until 1866, then it belongs to Preussen until 1945 (Provinz Hannover). After 1945 the Provinz Hannover, the land (former duchy) Braunschweig and other territories formed the Land Niedersachsen.
All clear?
Wilfried

<WBL435(a)aol.com> schrieb:
>What is the relationship of the following?
>Kingdom of Hannover
>deuchy of Braunschweig
>City of Braunschweig
>Town of Hextor in relation to any of the above.
>Any help in understanding how these fit together would be highly appreciated. 
> E-mail to  wbl435(a)aol.com
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[HN] RUEVE, MEYER, SANDT

Date: 2002/11/30 15:08:24
From: Frei Mauro <obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br>

Dear Barb and Edward,
Here goes a list of all the names of Rueve, Meyer and Sandt that are part of
our Family Tree.  Do you recognize any of them.  Hope so.   Unfortunately I
don´t know much about most of them.  I´ve included what I know.
Name Birth date Birth location Death date Death location Spouse

Meyer, Alphons Garrel Tieman, Auguste Maria Gerrtrud

Meyer, Annegret Dinkgrefe, Heinrich Josef Johann

Meyer, Bernd Henrich Quatmann, Maria Catharina Bernardina

Meyer, Bernhard Heinrich Rump, Josefa

Meyer, Caspar Henrich Kruempelmann, Maria Elizabeth

Meyer, Dirk Henrich 9 fevereiro 1831

Meyer, Elisabeth Wilhelmine 24 setembro 1855 6 novembro 1877 Dinkgrefe,
Johan Henrich Hermrolfes

Meyer, Joes Henrich Brüggehagen, Anna Adelheid

Meyer, Joh. Dirk Hodebecke, Maria Aleth

Meyer, Johan Henrich Meyer, Maria Elisabeth

Meyer, Maria Catharina 15 março 1878 Quatmann, Joan Henrich

Meyer, Maria Catharine 16 abril 1803 Waschefort, Caspar Henrich

Meyer, Maria Elisabeth 13 outubro 1836 Barlage, Johan Henrich

Meyer, Theodore Henrich 11 outubro 1787 12 junho 1870 Röbke-Stadtsholte,
Catharina Elisabeth

Meyer, Wessel Uptloh gt.Thole, Anna Maria Angela

Meyer-Bokel, Berrnard Dinkgrefe, Frieda Elisabeth Rosalia

Rueve, Anton August 1831

Rueve, Bernard Heinrich 1815 5 abril 1872 Sander, KAth Elizabeth

Rueve, Caspar Anton 1767 Dünhoeft, Anna Maria Angela Elis.

Rueve, Joh Bernard 1859

Rueve, Joh Josef 1826

Rueve, Johan Anton 1797 9 abril 1869 Langfer, Anna Bernardina

Rueve, Maria Bernardina 1846 11 fevereiro 1913 Kuper, Joh Bernard

Rueve, Maria Elisabeth Bernardina 1800 24 novembro 1882 Klünemann, Joh
Rudolf

Rueve, Maria Elizabeth 1867 Lückmann, Joh Heinrich

Rueve, Maria Gertrud 11 dezembro 1804 Moennig, Heinrich Josef

Rueve, Maria Joanna 1870 Willenborg, Joh Gottfried

Rueve, Maria Josephine 1863 Meermann, Heinrich

Ruewe, Anna Angela 1751 2 fevereiro 1760

Ruewe, Anna Catharina Niehaus, Johann Gerhard

Ruewe, Anna Katharina 17 outubro 1759 21 dezembro 1759

Ruewe, Anna Katherina Nieske, Burchard

Ruewe, Anna Katherina 1740

Ruewe, Anna Marg 1754 Beckmann, Gerhard

Ruewe, Anna Maria 1737 1 maio 1807 Klostermann, Joh Rudolf

Ruewe, Anna Maria 1753 3 janeiro 1754

Ruewe, Anna Maria 31 dezembro 1753

Ruewe, Anna Maria 1784 Voet, Theodor

Ruewe, Anna Maria Bernardina 1825

Ruewe, Anna Maria Elizabeth 1818 18 novembro 1880 Bakum, Lohe, Oldenburg,
Germany Willenborg, Bernard Heinrich

Ruewe, Anna Maria Gertrud 1829 9 fevereiro 1830

Ruewe, Anna Maria Sophia 1831 Nieske, Joannes

Ruewe, Franz Anton 1790

Ruewe, Gertrud 1716

Ruewe, Herm Bernard 6 maio 1756 26 dezembro 1760

Ruewe, Herman 1742 13 fevereiro 1741/42

Ruewe, Herman Heinrich 4 agosto 1735 10 abril 1781

Ruewe, Hermannus 26 fevereiro 1709/10 Meyer, Angela

Ruewe, Joh Bernard 18 agosto 1739 2 maio 1797 Schürmann, Anna Katherina

Ruewe, Joh Bernard 1786 16 janeiro 1837 Heuerman, Maria Elizabeth

Ruewe, Joh Bernard Josef 1822

Ruewe, Joh Caspar 12 junho 1746 6 junho 1778

Ruewe, Joh Heinrich 1736

Ruewe, Joh Heinrich 1749 27 abril 1779

Ruewe, Joh Heinrich 1757 2 dezembro 1790

Ruewe, Joh Heinrich Josef 1820

Ruewe, Joh Hermann 1761

Ruewe, Joh Otto 1763 14 março 1764

Ruewe, Joh. Heinrich 1719 Niemann, Margaretha

Ruewe, Katharina Elizabeth 20 fevereiro 1743/44 Vestrup 26 dezembro 1827
Altersschwache Hawickhorst, Georg Heinrich

Ruewe, Maria Angela 1779 Ostendorf, Johan Gerhard

Ruewe, Maria Elizabeth 1777

Ruewe, Maria Elizabeth 1785

Ruewe, Maria Gertrud 12 fevereiro 1828

Ruewe, Theodore Margaretha

Rüve, Hermann 1673 3 dezembro 1723 Meerman, Anna

Ruwe, Anna Katharina 1713

Sandt, Maria Elis 1776 1 fevereiro 1859 Vestrup Hawickhorst, Joh. Hermann


Family Names that are included in our  Family Tree.
Barlage Bekebrock Beverburg Beymoor Boeckers Bokern Braegel Branlage Brogel
Buckeole Calvelage Cruempelmann Dieckman Dinkgreve Dinkgrevesche Dultmeyer
Eggerman  Evers Fleck Friehling Gerdhabing
Gerding Habing Hackstedt Hagestette Hawickhorst Hellebusch Hermrolfes
Hoedebecke Hoenkamp Hoenkamp Hoinkomp Hölterman Holthaus Honkomp
Hopmann Hoppe Ivercamp Jansen Johans Kaetmann Klocker Korfage Krimpelfort
Krogman Kruempelmann Laufer Lübbecken Meerman Meyer Minckenberg Mohre Moore
Morman Niehaus Nieman Nienkerken Nordlohne
Nortloh Nortlohn Orde Ovelgönne Pohlmann Purhorn Püttman Quade Quatmann
Rebel Reitman Roleffs Ruewe Rüve Sander Sandman Sandt
Schulte Sieverding Stukerborg Stüve Taphorn Thamann Thole Tieman
Tombroegel Trineke Uptmor Viek von der Helde  Vortman Waschefort
Wenstrup Wichelman Willenbring Windhaus Zerhusen
Frei Mauro




Re: [HN] RUEVE, MEYER, SANDT

Date: 2002/11/30 19:27:48
From: Edward Meyer <meyereh(a)sprintmail.com>

----------
>From: "Frei Mauro" <obidosofm(a)ligbr.com.br>
>To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
>Subject: [HN] RUEVE, MEYER, SANDT
>Date: Sat, Nov 30, 2002, 9:08 AM
>

> Dear Barb and Edward,
> Here goes a list of all the names of Rueve, Meyer and Sandt that are part of
> our Family Tree.  Do you recognize any of them.  Hope so.   Unfortunately I
> don´t know much about most of them.  I´ve included what I know.
> Name Birth date Birth location Death date Death location Spouse
>
>Thanks for the lengthy response.  However, I am quite certain my branch of
Meyers does not interesect with the Meyers listed in the E-Mail message.

Edward H Meyer