Date: 2000/05/01 04:03:49
From: XAMUSED <XAMUSED(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 4/30/00 3:10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, OLDHIKER50(a)aol.com writes: << Henry J. Theising born 1808 in Hanover Germany married Mary Gertrude (Julia) Klenke also of Hanover Germany. The left Germany and came to USA thru the Port of New Orleans6 Nov 1842. The settled in Enochsburg, Decatur, Indiana near Cincinnati, OH. Looking for any news on there families >> Hi George, I do not have any information specifically on your family, but I have some general information that might help. Theising is also spelled Theisen and Thesen (and variations thereof). Given that they came into the country via New Orleans in 1842, there is a possibility they immigrated from the Netherlands, as this was common during that time period. There are Theisings (and variations thereof) to be found in Clinton County, Illinois who might very well have been related. You can check out information on the Clinton Theisings at www.rootsweb.com/~ilclint2. Happy hunting! Laura
Date: 2000/05/01 05:48:51
From: OLDHIKER50 <OLDHIKER50(a)aol.com>
Laura, thanks for the tip I am new at the searching in Germany George
Date: 2000/05/01 06:11:55
From: Carol M. Duff <duffc(a)win.bright.net>
OLDHIKER50(a)aol.com wrote: > Henry J. Theising born 1808 in Hanover Germany married Mary Gertrude (Julia) > Klenke also of Hanover Germany. The left Germany and came to USA thru the > Port of New Orleans6 Nov 1842. The settled in Enochsburg, Decatur, Indiana > near Cincinnati, OH. > Looking for any news on there families > > Thank you > George Young > http://www.geocities.com/oldhiker50gen/ Is the Port of New Orleans arrivals on internet any place?
Date: 2000/05/01 21:47:04
From: Sunset Hayes <sunset(a)digizen.net>
> Is the Port of New Orleans arrivals on internet any place?
Some of their arrivals are at:
http://rootsweb.istg.com
Check them out!
Date: 2000/05/01 22:48:25
From: Sunset Hayes <sunset(a)digizen.net>
Sunset Hayes wrote:
>
> > Is the Port of New Orleans arrivals on internet any place?
> Some of their arrivals are at:
Oops, it was a little backwards, use this link to check:
http://istg.rootsweb.com/
Sorry about that, see what happens when you rush!
Sunset
Date: 2000/05/03 04:12:12
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>
"Carol M. Duff" wrote: > > OLDHIKER50(a)aol.com wrote: > > > Henry J. Theising born 1808 in Hanover Germany married Mary Gertrude (Julia) > > Klenke also of Hanover Germany. The left Germany and came to USA thru the > > Port of New Orleans6 Nov 1842. The settled in Enochsburg, Decatur, Indiana > > near Cincinnati, OH. > > Looking for any news on there families > > > > Thank you > > George Young > > http://www.geocities.com/oldhiker50gen/ > > Is the Port of New Orleans arrivals on internet any place? There may be a few passenger lists for the port of New Orleans on-line at The Ship Transcriber's Guild site at at http://istg.rootsweb.com You may also try the FTM CD (#358) that includes the New Orleans list for 1820 to 1850. The information on this CD was transcribed from the National Archives Microfilm (Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New Orleans, LA, 1820-1902). Of the 93 rolls included in that series, rolls 1 through 33 have been included on this Family Archive. Indexed and easy to search, this Family Archive includes extensive arrival information on approximately 258,000 individuals who arrived in New Orleans between 1820 and 1850. You may also try to find someone on the Web to do a free look-up on the CD. If you are looking for other years, you may have to search the microfilms of the passenger lists. Many are indexed. You can go to my Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists at: http://home.att.net/~arnielang for detailed instructions on how to search these lists. Arnie -- Arnold Lang arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net
Date: 2000/05/05 16:14:22
From: Geraldine Miller <gmiller(a)ktis.net>
Wondering if anyone else is researching the surname KIEL from Osnabrück. My KIEL family immigrated 1849. Thanks. Unknown (possibly Friedrich) KIEL & Henrietta UNKNOWN b. abt. 1813. sons: Heinrich Friedrich KIEL b. 1843 Osnabrück possibly Wilhelm Carl KIEL b. 1833 GER Geraldine in MO
Date: 2000/05/05 18:01:12
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Dear Geraldine: I am not researching the surname KIEL but I thought I'd look up the surname in the International Genealogical Index and see if any entries for Heinrich appear. I found one entry for the birth of "Henry F. KIEL" (b. 1836) in Osnabruck and one entry for the marriage of "Henry F. KIEL" to "Minnie C. DAUES" in 1868 in Osnabruck. From among the 4285 KIEL entries in the IGI database, these were the only two that mentioned Osnabruck. I saw no 1843 Heinrich KIEL birth for anywhere in Germany and no Wilhelm Carl KIEL at all (nor any Wilhelm KIEL) that seemed to me to qualify as your Wilhelm Carl. You too can find these entries and analyze them at http://www.familysearch.org/ 1. Type in "Kiel" (without the quotation marks) in the Last Name field and click the "Search" button. 2. In the box on the right of your monitor screen, you will see "IGI/Germany (25+)." Click that link. 3. You are now on the first page of many pages of names of people with the surname "KIEL" in the International Genealogical Index for events (births, christenings, marriages, deaths, burials, etc.) occurring in Germany (200 names per page). At the bottom of this page will be a "next" link that will take you to the second page (entries 201-400). You can analyze the list yourself to see if something interesting pops up for you. I have not tried in any way to determine of the many other towns listed happen to be next door or near to your Osnabrück. You might want to inspect the list. (Somewhere around entry 1722 will be mention of Henry F. KIEL's birth (which you can download, print, see further information on, etc.) and somewhere aroung entry 1835 you'll see an entry for his marriage.) You can also simply go back to http://www.familysearch.org/ and in the First Name field type in the name "Henry F." (omitting the quotation marks and making sure you put a period after the "F"), in the Last Name field type in the name "Kiel", and at the bottom of the form checking the box "* Use exact spelling". That will bring up only the two birth and marriage entries for Henry. And you can do the same for Minnie C. DAUES (to locate her birth information, too). These are secondary sources (maybe even you originated them). But not knowing, I can only suggest you look at them. Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Geraldine Miller Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 7:17 AM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Osnabrück KIEL 1849 & before Wondering if anyone else is researching the surname KIEL from Osnabrück. My KIEL family immigrated 1849. Thanks. Unknown (possibly Friedrich) KIEL & Henrietta UNKNOWN b. abt. 1813. sons: Heinrich Friedrich KIEL b. 1843 Osnabrück possibly Wilhelm Carl KIEL b. 1833 GER Geraldine in MO
Date: 2000/05/10 02:56:34
From: Dsryder5 <Dsryder5(a)aol.com>
I am looking for information on Katherine (Katharina) Viergge FRUECHTE, born 9/11/1858 in Epstop, Hannover, Germany. She came to America with her 3 children (ages 15, 11, and 8) in about 1869 after the death of her husband, Peter Heinrich FRUECHTE, and settled in Eitzen, MN. She married Johann WUENNECKE, born in Germany, in Eitzen, and her daughter, Katherine, married Johann's son, William WUENNECKE, in Oct. 1875. Their daughter, Anna, was my paternal grandmother. Sometime between 1876 and 1900, the family moved to western Michigan on the basis of false information regarding farming in that area. Any information on the FRUECHTE or WUENNECKE families will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David Ryder
Date: 2000/05/10 23:41:15
From: DE7255 <DE7255(a)aol.com>
I am searching for the birthplace of my grandfather, William Christian RIGGERT. According to census records he was born in the Kingdom of Hanover. William's mother, Dorothea E. (?), was born August 8, 1818 in Prussia, again according to census records. The name of her husband was possibly Christian Heinrich RIGGERT. He died before the others came to the U. S. in 1869. The only clues that I have are that they might have come from Boeddenstedt or the village of Bohlsen in the Uelzen area. I believe their marriage took place in Gerdau. They had four children; Heinrick August Ferdinand born August 8, 1839, William Christian born March 23, 1844 and two girls, whose names and birthdates I have yet to find. Although I have their naturalization papers with the month and year they came into New York, I am unable to find them on the ship passenger lists. I would appreciate any information as to how to search for my ancestors in this area. DeEtta (Riggert) Powell
Date: 2000/05/11 01:59:18
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Dear David (and others possibly interested in using this resource): You mention the name of the town of origin as "Epstop." Because I could not find reference to "Epstop" either on the internet generally, or in the Family History Library Catalog at the FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service, located at http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearc h&columns=*,180,0 or on any of the internet map systems, such as MapBlast located at http://www.mapblast.com/myblast/index.mb and MapQuest located at http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_intl_form2&rando m=271&event=find_search&uid=r3r2v5w412mbn9ch%3A22dz8aq68&SNVData=3mad3-0.fy% 2528wr0u67_h682u.ne%2528y72%2524mm-g67%253bah7-%253d%253a%2528_%253d%253ar5g 672%253df7su6%2528l%25241w-u&country=Germany&address=&city=&State=&Zip= I went to the "List of German Municipialities," which is found at http://www.faerber.muc.de/dmoz/de-gemeinden/ and found two entries for municipalities that are located in Hannover and that appear to have names similar to "Epstop." They are "Eystrup" and "Estorf." You might want to evaluate the origin of your knowledge that the town of origin is "Epstop" and consider the possibility that the correct pronunciation (and hence spelling) of it was perhaps misunderstood by a person hearing it and writing it down or perhaps that it was misread by someone reading it. If you search for either of those two towns in the Family History Catalog, found at http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearc h&columns=*,180,0 you will not find them (perhaps because they are too small or that records from those towns have not been microfilmed (or both). Nevertheless, you can find them on maps. For example, you can look at http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn/twn-map_results&event=find _select&search=Eystrup,+Niedersachsen,+DE&uid=r3r2v5w412mbn9ch:22dz8aq68&lat =527833&lng=92166&country=DE&level=6&style=2&width=600&height=600 (which resulted from a search of "Eystrup" in MapQuest) and then after printing out the map, check the nearby towns, one by one, in the Family History Catalog, just to see if records in the area have been microfilmed. If so, because you have an exact name and date, you could order the films and see if your people are on them. It's a long shot, considering the name of the town is only a surmise, but it's at least based on a working hypothesis and worthy of some investigation. Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Dsryder5(a)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 5:55 PM To: niedersachsen-l(a)rootsweb.com; hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: FRUECHTE and WUENNECKE I am looking for information on Katherine (Katharina) Viergge FRUECHTE, born 9/11/1858 in Epstop, Hannover, Germany. She came to America with her 3 children (ages 15, 11, and 8) in about 1869 after the death of her husband, Peter Heinrich FRUECHTE, and settled in Eitzen, MN. She married Johann WUENNECKE, born in Germany, in Eitzen, and her daughter, Katherine, married Johann's son, William WUENNECKE, in Oct. 1875. Their daughter, Anna, was my paternal grandmother. Sometime between 1876 and 1900, the family moved to western Michigan on the basis of false information regarding farming in that area. Any information on the FRUECHTE or WUENNECKE families will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David Ryder
Date: 2000/05/11 02:15:12
From: Rensing512 <Rensing512(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 5/10/00 9:43:15 PM, DE7255(a)aol.com writes: << Although I have their naturalization papers with the month and year they came into New York, I am unable to find them on the ship passenger lists. >> Hi, Check every which way the name could be misspelled when using the ship records. I found my Seidl family listed as Leidl. The official were usually from another country and could not under our German ancestors. Most of our ancestors were illiterate, and wouldn't challenge an authority even if they knew the name was spelled wrong. Diana
Date: 2000/05/11 04:32:14
From: Geraldine Miller <gmiller(a)ktis.net>
I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the nationality of GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. Bertha was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. Geraldine in MO
Date: 2000/05/11 05:46:24
From: angie-web <angie-web(a)webtv.net>
i did a search on "Surname Helper" and this is one of the soundex matches: Zielona Gora Province, Poland Grasshoff Posted by Sharon Grasshoff <tim(a)wt.net> on Thu, 26 Nov 1998 Surname: Grasshoff, Grashof, GraBoff Looking for information on Hermann Grasshoff from Naumburg, Prussia. Naumburg is now known as Nowogrod Bobrzanski, Poland. Hermann immigrated to Fayette County, Texas, USA in 1850. He left Hamburg, Germany on the ship, the Marion. On the ship's manifest, his home town was shown as Naumburg. His wife was named Marie W. I would appreciate any information on these people. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Sharon Grasshoff and kuhlow: Kuhlow family from Mecklenburg-Strelitz Posted by Terry Dardas <tdardas(a)aol.com> on Tue, 08 Dec 1998 Surname: Kuhlow I am looking for information on Frederick Kuhlow who came to the US in 1870 with his family. They settled in Michigan, USA there is also the german word "grafschaft" which is not a surname? visit:http://community.webtv.net/web-angie/Webspinsters (always evolving)
Date: 2000/05/11 18:43:42
From: DE7255 <DE7255(a)aol.com>
Diana, Thanks for replying. I am going to take another look at the passenger lists. Also have found some of my ancestors said they came at an earlier date than they actually did. Suppose that has to do with the homestead lands. DeEtta
Date: 2000/05/11 19:53:42
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>
If you have not done so, I would suggest as a first step to finding the passenger lists is that you look in Filby's "Germans to America" to locate your ancestors who arrived in about 1869? I agree with Diana that you should try various spellings and also check for Christian as well as William as the first name on the passenger lists. You should be aware that most passenger lists in that time period did not include the exact place of birth, but generally only included the province and country. To quickly determine if your ancestor's passenger list contained full information, you may also want to check the following books. They provide a more complete listing of only those passengers for whom a specific place of origin is listed in the passenger lists. Zimmerman "German immigrants; lists of passengers bound from Bremen to New York 1847-1871". 4 volumes. Baltimore : Genealogical Publishing Co., 1985-1993. You may also want to look at Section 4.0 of my Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists at: http://home.att.net/~arnielang which provides other suggestions for researching passenger lists in the 1820 to 1891 period. Arnie DE7255(a)aol.com wrote: > > I am searching for the birthplace of my grandfather, William Christian > RIGGERT. <snip> > Although I have their naturalization papers with the month and year they came > into New York, I am unable to find them on the ship passenger lists. > > I would appreciate any information as to how to search for my ancestors in > this area. > > DeEtta (Riggert) Powell -- Arnold Lang arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net
Date: 2000/05/11 20:18:10
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
The phone directory shows some Grauschopf, maybe the spelling is changed. Werner > I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & > there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the > nationality of > GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. > Bertha > was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. > Geraldine in MO ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/11 21:26:36
From: lmpauling <lmpauling(a)utech.net>
Could the original have been GRAUSCHOW, which in English might have been pronounced GRAUSCHOFF? Linda -----Original Message----- From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:18 AM Subject: Re: GRAUSCHOFF surname Germany? >The phone directory shows some Grauschopf, maybe the spelling is changed. > >Werner > >> I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & >> there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the >> nationality of >> GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. >> Bertha >> was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. >> Geraldine in MO > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de >Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de >26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de >Germany | >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >
Date: 2000/05/11 21:57:30
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
To: Thomas Grauschopf
G 308 (Gabelsbergerstr. 39)
Phone: +49 - 89 - 289 - 25374
Email: grauscho(a)in.tum.de
Snail: TU München
Institut für Informatik
Postfach
D-80290 München
From: People trying to Help Geraldine Miller of Missouri, USA, find where
her "Grauschoff" surname came from.
Dear Thomas:
Are you able to tell us where your Grauschopf surname came from?
Können Sie, wo Ihr Familienname uns zu erklären, Grauschopf von kam?
Thanks.
Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Geraldine Miller
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:30 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: GRAUSCHOFF surname Germany?
I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory &
there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the
nationality of
GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. Bertha
was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks.
Geraldine in MO
Date: 2000/05/11 23:01:06
From: Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>
Hello The Hans Bahlow book on Dictionary of German Surnames shows Grauschopp (Schopf) Grau meaning gray-haired and schopf meaning shock of hair, first recorded Iglau 1377. page 186 of the translated version It could the writing of the last 2 letters or pronunciation amended the "pp" to "ff" or "pf" Doug Plowman Werner Honkomp wrote: > > The phone directory shows some Grauschopf, maybe the spelling is changed. > > Werner > > > I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & > > there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the > > nationality of > > GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. > > Bertha > > was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. > > Geraldine in MO > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de > Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de > 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de > Germany | > -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/12 01:50:11
From: SGO Design Studio <sgo(a)adweb.net>
I NEED HELP, I am looking for Different spellings of our surname "LAYMAN". The only information I have is that my GG Grandfather came to the USA from Hannover, Germany in the middle 1800"s. Upon his arrival here, his name was Americanized to "LAYMAN". He traveled here via an indirect route (England), and because of his enlistment into the Union Army during the Cival War, he became a citizen without needing to apply through the courts. It has been mentioned by some in the familly that he may have been from the area known as Baden, Germany. But his Military records do state he was from Hannover.I can find no listing on any ship records with the spelling of Frederick (Layman) (Lehmann) (Laman) (Leiman) (Lyman) that matches his bith date. Any help would be much appreciated. He was born in Feb. 1830 and may have arrived here around 1855-57. Thanks to everyone. Fred Layman
Date: 2000/05/12 05:03:59
From: angie-web <angie-web(a)webtv.net>
RootsWeb MetaSearch http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/metasearch you're in good company-surname helper has 150 queries on just the one spelling. number 9 and 15 sounded promising,but i only looked at a few. Search Results Site List Using the following criteria: for matches for LAYMAN The following surnames were found: LAYMAN in all geographic locations for all types of sites for all post types posted any time Surname Helper found entries on the following Web Sites: Click on the Web Site name to view the entries. Only 50 web sites are shown at a time. See below to view more entries. 1.CHESEBRO' Genealogy 2.Johnston Queries 3.Kersey Family, Quaker and New England Colonial Genealogy 4.Ohio Lookups Queries 5.Queries for Shankle/Shankles/Schenkel and other variations 6.Sloan Queries 7.Sue Skays Genealogy 8.The BROUGHTON Family Tree 9.Webb Queries 10.Brant County Queries 11.Norfolk, Ontario, Canada 12.Switzerland 13.Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany Queries 14.Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany 15.Bavaria, Germany 16.Nottinghamshire, England 17.IrelandGenWeb 18.Brown Queries 19.GenConnect Family Association: Fink 20.GenConnect Family Association: Hawkins 21.GenConnect Family Association: Morgan 22.GenConnect Family Association: Price 23.GenConnect Family Association: Robinson 24.Haire Queries 25.JENKINS Queries 26.KIMBLE Queries 27.LAYMAN Queries 28.Runyon: International RUNYON-L Genealogy Group 29.Adams County, In 30.Alwood Family Tree 31.Barnhouse Branches - A Surname Research Site 32.Crawford Co., AR 33.Pope Co., AR 34.Marin County, California 35.Nevada Co., CA 36.Mesa Co., Colorado 37.Buena Vista County, Iowa 38.Scott County, IA 39.Clinton County, Illinois 40.Cumberland County Queries 41.Kankakee Co., Illinois 42.White County, Illinois 43.Will Co., Illinois 44.Adams Co., Indiana 45.Clark County, Indiana 46.Elkhart Co., IN 47.Greene Co., Indiana 48.Howard Co., Indiana 49.Huntington Co., IN 50.Johnson County Queries View Results: #1 thru #50#51 thru #100#101 thru #149 visit:http://community.webtv.net/web-angie/Webspinsters (always evolving)
Date: 2000/05/12 05:17:52
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
You might consider LEHMAN. Lehman Hardware & Appliance is a world famous center for non-electric goodies nestled in the Amish country of Ohio. Locations in Kidron and Mt.Hope. They were Swiss-german. If you can connect, Kidron does a communal genealogy...I know they had over 30,000 names 3 or 4 years ago. angie-web(a)webtv.net wrote: > RootsWeb MetaSearch http://resources.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/metasearch > > you're in good company-surname helper has 150 queries on just the one > spelling. number 9 and 15 sounded promising,but i only looked at a few. > > Search Results Site List > Using the following criteria: > for matches for LAYMAN > The following surnames were found: LAYMAN > in all geographic locations > for all types of sites > for all post types > posted any time > Surname Helper found entries on the following Web Sites: > Click on the Web Site name to view the entries. Only 50 web sites are > shown at a time. See below to view more entries. > 1.CHESEBRO' Genealogy 2.Johnston Queries 3.Kersey Family, Quaker and New > England Colonial Genealogy 4.Ohio Lookups Queries 5.Queries for > Shankle/Shankles/Schenkel and other variations 6.Sloan Queries 7.Sue > Skays Genealogy 8.The BROUGHTON Family Tree 9.Webb Queries 10.Brant > County Queries 11.Norfolk, Ontario, Canada 12.Switzerland > 13.Baden-Wuerttemberg > Germany Queries 14.Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany 15.Bavaria, Germany > 16.Nottinghamshire, England 17.IrelandGenWeb 18.Brown Queries > 19.GenConnect Family Association: Fink 20.GenConnect Family Association: > Hawkins 21.GenConnect Family Association: Morgan 22.GenConnect Family > Association: Price 23.GenConnect Family Association: Robinson 24.Haire > Queries 25.JENKINS Queries 26.KIMBLE Queries 27.LAYMAN Queries > 28.Runyon: International RUNYON-L Genealogy Group 29.Adams County, In > 30.Alwood Family Tree 31.Barnhouse Branches - A Surname Research Site > 32.Crawford Co., AR 33.Pope Co., AR 34.Marin County, California > 35.Nevada Co., CA 36.Mesa Co., Colorado 37.Buena Vista County, Iowa > 38.Scott County, IA 39.Clinton County, Illinois 40.Cumberland County > Queries 41.Kankakee Co., Illinois 42.White County, Illinois 43.Will Co., > Illinois 44.Adams Co., Indiana 45.Clark County, Indiana 46.Elkhart Co., > IN 47.Greene Co., Indiana 48.Howard Co., Indiana 49.Huntington Co., IN > 50.Johnson County Queries > View Results: > #1 thru #50#51 thru #100#101 thru #149 > > visit:http://community.webtv.net/web-angie/Webspinsters (always > evolving)
Date: 2000/05/12 15:49:47
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Dear Hannover List Subscribers: In an effort to help Geraldine, who inquired about the Grausschoff surname, I contacted a Thomas Grasuchopf of Grasbrunn, Germany by e-mail and here follows the complete text of his reply (together with his clippings from the prior e-mails): Steve. THOMAS GRAUSCHOPF'S E-MAIL BEGINS IMMEDIATELY BELOW> This probably was a name for a person with blond or grey hair in former times. My name-giving ancestor came from Southern Tyrolia during the war against Napoleon Bonaparte. Many, if not most german Grauschopfs can be traced back to this man. But there are also persons with this name in Stuttgart, Oberpfalz (Upper Palativa) and even Kiel, which do not share this root. Greetings, Thomas Grauschopf > -----Original Message----- ...... > > From: People trying to Help Geraldine Miller of Missouri, > USA, find where > her "Grauschoff" surname came from. > > Dear Thomas: > > Are you able to tell us where your Grauschopf surname came from? > > Konnen Sie, wo Ihr Familienname uns zu erklaren, Grauschopf von kam? > > Thanks. > > Steve. > > > -----Original Message----- .... > > > I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & > there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the > nationality of > GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF > abt.1865. Dau. Bertha > was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. > Geraldine in MO > -- Thomas Grauschopf Tel. +49.(0)89.4629.1679 IXOS SOFTWARE AG Fax. +49.(0)89.462933.1679 Bretonischer Ring 12 E-Mail: Thomas.Grauschopf(a)munich.ixos.de 85630 Grasbrunn
Date: 2000/05/12 16:22:50
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Dear Fred, Here is what I would do in your situation. It's called "the back door approach." I have shared this with others and they praise the approach as much as I do. It's simple. 1. You say your ancestor Frederick LEHMAN (spelled variously) "came to the USA from Hannover, Germany in the middle 1800s." From that I will assume that he can be found in the 1860, 1870, and 1880 U.S. Federal Census reports, and perhaps in the 1900 and even 1910, depending on his longevity. I would look him up on microfilm in every U.S. Federal Census and in every state census in which he appears and copy not only his family's entry but the entry for every family in town with the same surname (indexes help) as well as the entries for the families about 10 to fifteen houses each direction in the census pages surrounding each entry. Keep good notes of film numbers and page numbers. 2. Analyze the entries. You are almost sure to find not only that he came to America with one or more relatives but that they lived in close proximity to one another for a number of years. A next door neighbor's wife, for example, might very well be his sister; a man only three blocks away with the same surname might very well be his first cousin and the old man and woman living in that home might very well be that first cousin's parents, your ancestor's aunt and uncle. Some of these relationships can be pieced together with all sorts of sources: burials at cemeteries, obituaries, Centennial Histories (published count-by-county in or near 1880 in many counties in the nation), death records, mention of the names of witnesses to marriages, oral histories of people you contact with the same surname who presently live in the same town or county as your ancestor, etc. 3. Do someone else's genealogy. Whether it be the genealogy of a now long-deceased former neighbor who lived seven doors away and who had the same surname as your ancestor and whose family appears in the same town as yours in the 1880 Federal Census or whether it be the genealogy of a Lehman who presently lives in the same town now as your ancestor did then, you never know what you might find. Sometimes we feel like we have run up against a dead end on our own line. Often that is true. But if we simply find a sibling or cousin of an immigrant ancestor (or even a child of the direct-line ancestor, other than the child through whom we descend) and then do the genealogy of the sibling or cousin (or try to trace forward in time to discover living descendants of the other child), often we will find that the records of the sibling or cousin are more complete and fruitful (or that the living descendants of the child on the other line have oral tradition or written documents that will help us along). 4. For example, you state that "it has been mentioned by some in the familly that he may have been from the area known as Baden, Germany. But his Military records do state he was from Hannover." Suppose your family did not know that. You likely would not be contacting "hannover-l" if that were the case. But if you found out through the back door approach, for example, that some living descendant of your great grand uncle (your immigrant ancestor's other son), knew of the Hannover connection, you would immediately start to pursue that avenue. Similarly, therefore, imagine the delight if you were to find that in an 1880 history write-up or in a 1900 Census entry for your great great grandfather's brother (or cousin) some hint were made that he was from the town of "X"; I think you would say that the back door approach was quite fruitful. And if some descendant of your great grand uncle had an 1898 obituary that mentioned the town of origin, you'd be delighted. 5. Sometimes "going for the juggler" in the ship lists is direct and fruitful; sometimes not. But with this type of approach, knowing perhaps the name of one or more other possible relatives (even if others in his neighborhood have different surnames), one can even be more discerning when looking at ship lists. To devise an example that surely is impossible but which because of its extreme nature makes the point: If you were to find a ship list without your ancestor but listing instead a Johann LEHMAN and a Richard KRAUS and a Fritz MERGET and a Michael FRITZ, all of whose names (except the Johann LEHMAN) also happened to show up in a census in the same town and in the same neighborhood as your great great grandfather (who shows up as Frederick LEHMAN or LAYMAN), you'd be suspicious, even if the age listed in the ship list for Johann LEHMAN were seven years off of that for your great great grandfather. Sometimes they slip by the record takers. Sometimes they are listed with the wrong age or name or both or an incomplete name. But often performing the ancestral research on the neighbor or on the proven cousin yields the desired results within two generations. Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of SGO Design Studio Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 4:53 PM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: LAYMAN I NEED HELP, I am looking for Different spellings of our surname "LAYMAN". The only information I have is that my GG Grandfather came to the USA from Hannover, Germany in the middle 1800"s. Upon his arrival here, his name was Americanized to "LAYMAN". He traveled here via an indirect route (England), and because of his enlistment into the Union Army during the Cival War, he became a citizen without needing to apply through the courts. It has been mentioned by some in the familly that he may have been from the area known as Baden, Germany. But his Military records do state he was from Hannover.I can find no listing on any ship records with the spelling of Frederick (Layman) (Lehmann) (Laman) (Leiman) (Lyman) that matches his bith date. Any help would be much appreciated. He was born in Feb. 1830 and may have arrived here around 1855-57. Thanks to everyone. Fred Layman
Date: 2000/05/12 16:42:29
From: Carol M. Duff <duffc(a)win.bright.net>
Stephen Kent Ehat wrote:
> Dear Fred,
>
> Here is what I would do in your situation. It's called "the back door
> approach." I have shared this with others and they praise the approach as
Dear Stephen
This approach has sometimes worked for me also......other times after a
loooong successful struggle, I realize that I would have had my answer soon if
I HAD done it that way.
Carol
Date: 2000/05/12 19:41:37
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Here the Grauschopf names in Germany at all: Grauschopf (0431) 332244 Projensdorfer Str. 22 24106 Kiel Grauschopf (0941) 789223 Friedr.-Viehbacher-Allee 10 93055 Regensburg Grauschopf, B. (09404) 2915 (Vie) Birkenfeldstr. 11 93161 Sinzing Grauschopf, Chr. (089) 6904638 Eschenstr. 39 81547 München Grauschopf, Erwin (09922) 5269 Oberzwieselauer Str. 35 94227 Zwiesel Grauschopf, Erwin u. Gerlinde (09302) 4141 Buchenstr. 3 97228 Rottendorf Grauschopf, Eva (0391) 7331881 Friesenstr. 7 39108 Magdeburg Grauschopf, Fritz Klavierlehrer (0711) 536412 Im Schneckenberg 27 70378 Stuttgart Grauschopf, Gerda (05261) 12400 Kleiner Spiegelberg 29 32657 Lemgo Grauschopf, I. (0711) 8875033 Thaerstr. 42 70499 Stuttgart Grauschopf, Ingo u. Marina (04723) 2874 274.. Cuxhaven* Grauschopf, Jens (04724) 437 Westerwanna Heideweg 10 21776 Wanna Grauschopf, Johann (089) 758788 Maxhofstr. 76 81475 München Grauschopf, Johann Landw. (09452) 483 8408. Langquaid* Grauschopf, Josef (09452) 516 Kapellenstr. 9 84085 Langquaid Grauschopf, Judith u. Thomas (089) 35652411 Lena-Christ-Str. 7 80807 München Grauschopf, Jürgen Rechtsanwalt (040) 8806019 Övelgönne 8 22605 Hamburg Grauschopf, Karl u. Barbara (089) 7141751 Fürstenrieder Str. 244 81377 München Grauschopf, Karl (09451) 3631 Schillerstr. 6 84069 Schierling Grauschopf, L. (089) 7146728 Pfingstrosenstr. 89 81377 München Grauschopf, Ludwig jun. (09451) 3739 Mozartstr. 5 84069 Schierling Grauschopf, Ludwig (09451) 1070 Uhlandstr. 15 84069 Schierling Grauschopf, Matthias (0711) 5301310 70... Stuttgart* Grauschopf, Petra u. Harry (07161) 84747 Körnerstr. 13 73054 Eislingen Grauschopf, Ralf (04721) 34930 Reinekestr. 32 27472 Cuxhaven Grauschopf, Richard u. Jürgen (07161) 57190 Ringstr. 19 73098 Rechberghausen Grauschopf, Robert (06132) 75598 552.. Ingelheim am Rhein* Grauschopf, Rudolf (089) 847487 (Upf) Kerschensteiner Str. 55 82110 Germering Grauschopf, Stefan (07144) 860073 Mainzer Str. 61 71672 Marbach Grauschopf, U. (0345) 2905263 Schleiermacherstr. 34 06114 Halle Grauschopf, Wilhelm u. Ingrid (04721) 23541 274.. Cuxhaven* Grauschopf-Matz, Jörn (04721) 36449 274.. Cuxhaven* Grauschort, Wilhelm (0170) 2367952 274.. Cuxhaven* > To: Thomas Grauschopf > G 308 (Gabelsbergerstr. 39) > Phone: +49 - 89 - 289 - 25374 > Email: grauscho(a)in.tum.de > Snail: TU München > Institut für Informatik > Postfach > D-80290 München > From: People trying to Help Geraldine Miller of Missouri, USA, find where > her "Grauschoff" surname came from. > Dear Thomas: > Are you able to tell us where your Grauschopf surname came from? > Können Sie, wo Ihr Familienname uns zu erklären, Grauschopf von kam? > Thanks. > Steve. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Geraldine Miller > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:30 PM > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: GRAUSCHOFF surname Germany? > I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & > there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the > nationality of > GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. > Bertha > was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. > Geraldine in MO ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/12 19:41:42
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
No, we have only names with "pf" after "Grauscho" Werner > Could the original have been GRAUSCHOW, which in English might have been > pronounced GRAUSCHOFF? > Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> > Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: GRAUSCHOFF surname Germany? >>The phone directory shows some Grauschopf, maybe the spelling is changed. >> >>Werner >> >>> I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & >>> there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the >>> nationality of >>> GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. >>> Bertha >>> was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. >>> Geraldine in MO >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de >>Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de >>26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de >>Germany | >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/12 20:18:46
From: Rensing512 <Rensing512(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 5/12/00 2:26:24 PM, ske(a)bnelaw.com writes: << Dear Fred, Here is what I would do in your situation. It's called "the back door approach." I have shared this with others and they praise the approach as much as I do. It's simple. >> Hi Steve, Your advice to Fred, was excellent. When I started genealogy I was too "stubborn," and when people told me about "the back door approach," I thought it too much work. I didn't want to be researching neighbors, etc., and only wanted to work on my direct line. I researched my Rensings for over 25 years, and could not find their town of origin in Germany. How did I finally find the town -- you guessed? The "back door approach." There was one name always attached to my Rensings, Santel. They were on the ship with them, lived next door to them, etc. I have never found out if the Santels are relatives, but they were at least "best friends." Two old Santel bachelors living in the same small, American town, knew where they Rensings and the Sant el lived in Germany (not really in Germany). If I had written them 25 years ago, I would have had my town. I was always looking in Germany for my town, but my Rensings went into Holland, for eight years before immigrating to the U.S. My town was in Holland!! Good luck, Diana
Date: 2000/05/12 21:21:04
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Dear All, Werner is a well-respected researcher and I agree with his remark (wherein he states: "we have only names with 'pf' after 'Grauscho'). But keep in mind that he surely is limiting his remark to Germany itself and what could be called "German surnames." Absent a search of Polish telephone directories, one cannot know absolutely for sure what may go on there. My rare surname is shared, over four centuries, by only one family, mine, and we do not number all that many. That said, however, the prevalence of the "pf" surnames in Germany (and other German-language online telephone directories lead to yet other living people in Germany with the surname), strongly suggests the name was with a "pf" all along. Keep in mind that it is still entirely a possibility, though perhaps very slim indeed, that the surname (ending in "w") was indeed one that came from an area later comprising a part of Poland, coming over with a "w" and changed to an "f." And of course, the pronunciation of the ending of that surname indeed probably would have been with an "ff" sound given the Polish-language pronunciation of a final "w." But that probably should be considered to be a very long "long shot." Nevertheless, though apparently non-existent in Europe (I can't find it), the "Graschow" spelling does appear to have shown up in America, though apparently quite rarely. See, for example, the following internet site (though this neither proves nor disproves any Polish connection, where the "Graschow" surname is mentioned. There you will find the inclusion of the name of a "Robert A. Graschow" among those enlisted seamen mentioned in the crew roster of the USS TIRANTE (SS-420). See http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6153/tirantelist.htm What's my vote? I think your surname in Europe (probably in Germany) was "Grauschopf." The other German-language directories for Germany (with some possible repetition here to be sure to get them all) are found at: http://www.teleauskunft.de/NSAPI/Anfrage?AKTION=zeSuchseiteTelefonbuch&SPRAC HE=DE&SESSIONID=0380b19029391c54e20007aec7&BUAB=BUNDESWEIT http://www.infospace.com/info.infobel/intldb/pplfindint.htm?QO=DE http://in-110.infospace.com/_1_4LW6UE604EEOETH__info/intldb/pplfindint.htm?Q O=DE And for an area by area or town by town search, use: http://www.telefonbuch.com/ Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 1:27 PM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: GRAUSCHOFF surname Germany? No, we have only names with "pf" after "Grauscho" Werner > Could the original have been GRAUSCHOW, which in English might have been > pronounced GRAUSCHOFF? > Linda > -----Original Message----- > From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> > Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: GRAUSCHOFF surname Germany? >>The phone directory shows some Grauschopf, maybe the spelling is changed. >> >>Werner >> >>> I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & >>> there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the >>> nationality of >>> GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. >>> Bertha >>> was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. >>> Geraldine in MO >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de >>Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de >>26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de >>Germany | >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/12 21:25:04
From: ALF370 <ALF370(a)aol.com>
lehmann, the bishop or cardinal Roman catholic in Hannover is a lehmann! maybe you have a connection!
Date: 2000/05/12 22:02:36
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Please note: A "Stammtafeln des Josef Hildebrandt" (Family trees of Josef Hildebrandt), found at the below link, records as entry number 237 the following: Grauschopf (Groschopf) Georg, Moosham; Sohn Gregor oo 1690 die Maria Gersl. Note the alternative spelling of the "au" as an "o." The link for this listing is at: http://www2.genealogy.net/gene/reg/BAY/tafel-hi.htm While "Grauschopf" (and the variant spellings of the name as we have already discussed it--with the "pf," "ff," and "w" ending letters) appeared only twice in the FamilySearch Internet Genealogy Service (see http://www.familysearch.org/) the variant changing the "au" to an "o" yields 278 entries in the German International Genealogical Index for the surname when spelled that way. (To access the German IGI, go the the http://www.familysearch.org/ site, type in the "Last Name" field the name "groschopf" and click the "search" button. Then in the box on the right click the ". IGI/Germany (25+)" link, which will list the 278 entries.) Consider the possiblity that in earlier times the "o" was used instead of the "au" and consider further the need to look for that spelling as well in performing computer searches. For example, using that spelling in the online German telephone books yields yet other *possible* distant relatives. Steve.
Date: 2000/05/12 22:32:35
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Dear Geraldine Miller of Missouri (and others interested in the effort to help her): You might want to phone the following two people on the chance they might know something about the origin of their surname. Likely this will not be fruitful (unless, of course, they just happen to live -- or their ancestors in the 1880s happened to live -- where your Carl, Carolina, and daughter Bertha lived after coming to America). But it is worth a try. Georgette Groschopf 31726 N Mcnally Ln Round Lake, IL 60073-9617 (708) 385-4624 or (818) 385-4624 L Groschopf Winter Haven, FL 33880 (863) 293-6449 Who knows? Steve.
Date: 2000/05/12 23:24:06
From: Carol M. Duff <duffc(a)win.bright.net>
Werner: would you be able to check for the Kiehn and Meyer names around Hankensbüttel in the Hannover territory? Thanks. Carol Werner Honkomp wrote: > Here the Grauschopf names in Germany at all: > > Grauschopf (0431) 332244 > Projensdorfer Str. 22 > 24106 Kiel > > Grauschopf (0941) 789223 > Friedr.-Viehbacher-Allee 10 > 93055 Regensburg > > Grauschopf, B. (09404) 2915 > (Vie) Birkenfeldstr. 11 > 93161 Sinzing > > Grauschopf, Chr. (089) 6904638 > Eschenstr. 39 > 81547 München > > Grauschopf, Erwin (09922) 5269 > Oberzwieselauer Str. 35 > 94227 Zwiesel > > Grauschopf, Erwin u. Gerlinde (09302) 4141 > Buchenstr. 3 > 97228 Rottendorf > > Grauschopf, Eva (0391) 7331881 > Friesenstr. 7 > 39108 Magdeburg > > Grauschopf, Fritz Klavierlehrer (0711) 536412 > Im Schneckenberg 27 > 70378 Stuttgart > > Grauschopf, Gerda (05261) 12400 > Kleiner Spiegelberg 29 > 32657 Lemgo > > Grauschopf, I. (0711) 8875033 > Thaerstr. 42 > 70499 Stuttgart > > Grauschopf, Ingo u. Marina (04723) 2874 > 274.. Cuxhaven* > > Grauschopf, Jens (04724) 437 > Westerwanna Heideweg 10 > 21776 Wanna > > Grauschopf, Johann (089) 758788 > Maxhofstr. 76 > 81475 München > > Grauschopf, Johann Landw. (09452) 483 > 8408. Langquaid* > > Grauschopf, Josef (09452) 516 > Kapellenstr. 9 > 84085 Langquaid > > Grauschopf, Judith u. Thomas (089) 35652411 > Lena-Christ-Str. 7 > 80807 München > > Grauschopf, Jürgen Rechtsanwalt (040) 8806019 > Övelgönne 8 > 22605 Hamburg > > Grauschopf, Karl u. Barbara (089) 7141751 > Fürstenrieder Str. 244 > 81377 München > > Grauschopf, Karl (09451) 3631 > Schillerstr. 6 > 84069 Schierling > > Grauschopf, L. (089) 7146728 > Pfingstrosenstr. 89 > 81377 München > > Grauschopf, Ludwig jun. (09451) 3739 > Mozartstr. 5 > 84069 Schierling > > Grauschopf, Ludwig (09451) 1070 > Uhlandstr. 15 > 84069 Schierling > > Grauschopf, Matthias (0711) 5301310 > 70... Stuttgart* > > Grauschopf, Petra u. Harry (07161) 84747 > Körnerstr. 13 > 73054 Eislingen > > Grauschopf, Ralf (04721) 34930 > Reinekestr. 32 > 27472 Cuxhaven > > Grauschopf, Richard u. Jürgen (07161) 57190 > Ringstr. 19 > 73098 Rechberghausen > > Grauschopf, Robert (06132) 75598 > 552.. Ingelheim am Rhein* > > Grauschopf, Rudolf (089) 847487 > (Upf) Kerschensteiner Str. 55 > 82110 Germering > > Grauschopf, Stefan (07144) 860073 > Mainzer Str. 61 > 71672 Marbach > > Grauschopf, U. (0345) 2905263 > Schleiermacherstr. 34 > 06114 Halle > > Grauschopf, Wilhelm u. Ingrid (04721) 23541 > 274.. Cuxhaven* > > Grauschopf-Matz, Jörn (04721) 36449 > 274.. Cuxhaven* > > Grauschort, Wilhelm (0170) 2367952 > 274.. Cuxhaven* > > > To: Thomas Grauschopf > > G 308 (Gabelsbergerstr. 39) > > Phone: +49 - 89 - 289 - 25374 > > Email: grauscho(a)in.tum.de > > Snail: TU München > > Institut für Informatik > > Postfach > > D-80290 München > > > From: People trying to Help Geraldine Miller of Missouri, USA, find where > > her "Grauschoff" surname came from. > > > Dear Thomas: > > > Are you able to tell us where your Grauschopf surname came from? > > > Können Sie, wo Ihr Familienname uns zu erklären, Grauschopf von kam? > > > Thanks. > > > Steve. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > > [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Geraldine Miller > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:30 PM > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > > Subject: GRAUSCHOFF surname Germany? > > > I have the surname GRAUSCHOFF. I checked the German phone directory & > > there isn't a GRAUSCHOFF listed. Does anyone have a guess as to the > > nationality of > > GRAUSCHOFF? Carl KUHLOW married Carolina GRAUSCHOFF abt.1865. Dau. > > Bertha > > was born 1867 GER. they immigrated to America 1882. Thanks. > > Geraldine in MO > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de > Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de > 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de > Germany | > -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/13 00:12:10
From: JuergenRode <j.rode(a)t-online.de>
SGO Design Studio schrieb: > I NEED HELP, I am looking for Different spellings of our surname "LAYMAN". > The only information I have is that my GG Grandfather came to the USA from > Hannover, Germany in the middle 1800"s. Upon his arrival here, his name was > Americanized to "LAYMAN". He traveled here via an indirect route (England), > and because of his enlistment into the Union Army during the Cival War, he > became a citizen without needing to apply through the courts. It has been > mentioned by some in the familly that he may have been from the area known > as Baden, Germany. But his Military records do state he was from Hannover.I > can find no listing on any ship records with the spelling of Frederick > (Layman) (Lehmann) (Laman) (Leiman) (Lyman) that matches his bith date. Any > help would be much appreciated. > > He was born in Feb. 1830 and may have arrived here around 1855-57. > > Thanks to everyone. > Fred Layman There is a small village called Baden in Achim near Bremen. It´s located in the church of Achim/Hannover. Many germanns around Bremen travelled at that time to England for working in sugarfactories. > Jürgen Rode - Bonn http://home.t-online.de/home/j.rode ### Email: j.rode(a)t-online.de
Date: 2000/05/13 01:42:24
From: Sharon Eaton <eaton.noble1(a)cshore.com>
Hello List Members,
I am reading the e-mails concerning Layman tonight -- one of which
referenced a Roman Catholic bishop or cardinal in Hannover named Lehmann.
I am adding information that is definitely a "back door" approach about
another "Lehman" in the clergy. I hope it helps.
Delwin ("Del") Lehman was our Congregational church minister (now retired
for many years). My husband was the first child he baptized in Northford,
Ct. He was the minister for our wedding. Our son's godfather was the first
child he baptized in Wallingford, CT. Our son was the last child he
baptized in Wallingford, CT.
His last address was:
Rev. Delwin Lehman
18 Mayflower Rd.
Springfield, MA 01118
We have lost track of "Del" after so many years, but it's worth a letter to
contact him. He is a magnificent person. Tall, wavy gray air. Better than
Charleton Heston as "Moses" in any movie.
It appears that the Laymans, and other variant spellings of the name, might
have had a religious calling. These things happen. It's worth checking.
Best,
Sharon Eaton
Date: 2000/05/13 03:06:13
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Dear Fred:
The "LAYMAN" discussion has been very interesting so far but I think it has
taken a turn that you will not want to pursue. I offer the following
comment not by any means to "throw cold water" on some suggestions, for they
are all good ones. But I think we can be more helpful to you if we all keep
in mind (and help you search in) some of the fabulous resources now
available at our fingertips (and if you would be so kind as to supply the
first name of your great great grandmother, Frederick's wife, and other
identifying data). I think there are some research matters that will lead
you a long way toward your goal and I do not think trying to find all
"LAYMANs" (or "LEHMANs", etc.) who had religious callings will help you
quite yet, though it may be helpful later on. Based on my extensive
genealogical research experience, which dates back to 1967, I think you
probably can easily find what you're looking for. Here's why.
1. You have already identified for us some clues (coming apparently from
family tradition and perhaps from some research): (1) he may have come from
Hannover; (2) his name was "Americanized" to "LAYMAN" (and therefore it was
not "LAYMAN" previously); (3) he went through England; (4) he was enlisted
in the Union Army (but you apparently have searched in the Civil War records
and they either supplied the reference to "Hannover" or confirmed the
"Hannover" origin as a source additional to some other source); (5) you have
a family tradition that Baden may have been the place of origin; (6) you
know his birth was February 1830; and (7) you know he may have arrived in
America in 1855-1857.
2. Have you looked him up in the 1880 Federal Census and checked his
neighbors? Did he live to 1900? Have you looked him up in that Census? In
what county of what state did he reside in 1880 if he lived that long (age
50)? Does he appear in an 1880 County Centennial History? (Most are in
Salt Lake City FHL and available on microfilm in a branch FHL local to you.)
3. Have you checked the FamilySearch Internet Genealogical Service (found
at http://www.familysearch.org/)? If one puts in the name "LEHMAN" and
pulls up only the entries for Germany International Genealogical Index
("IGI"), one gets Four Thousand Two Hundred Forty-Six people, AND THAT IS
ONLY THE LEHMANS WHOSE FIRST NAME STARTS WITH THE LETTER "A" !!! THE
4247th entry starts the listing of LEHMANS whose first name begins with the
letter "B." Can you imagine? Hundreds of thousands of LEHMANs in Germany
alone (not to mention the other sources with even others).
4. And if one puts in "LAYMAN" one gets a completely separate listing (of
624 entries) for the IGI for Germany (46 entries for the IGI for Germany
when using the exact-spelling option). And it appears that "LAYMAN" is a
legitimate German spelling of the surname. While none of the LAYMANs with a
given name of "Friedrich" (or other spellings) appears to be yours, the
LEHMAN listing (using the exact year 1830 for the birth or christening)
leads to the following entries:
1. Friedrich Gottlob LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Birth: 25 Sep 1830 Golssen, Brandenburg, Preussen
2. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Christening: 15 Aug 1830 Bernickow, Brandenburg, Preussen
3. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Christening: 11 Apr 1830 Dom, Berlin Stadt, Brandenburg,
Preussen
4. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Christening: 14 Nov 1830 Sophien, Berlin Stadt, Brandenburg,
Preussen
5. FRIEDRICH LEBERECHT LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Birth: 1830 Goerlitz, Sln, Preussen
When one looks for German marriages in the IGI for Germany for 1855 and 5
years either directtion from 1855, one finds the following entries:
1. Friedrich Wilh. LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 5 Sep 1850 Evangelisch, Hattingen, Westfalen,
Preussen
2. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 20 Dec 1850 Evangelisch, Sonnborn, Rheinland,
Preussen
3. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 28 Sep 1850 Krausnick, Brandenburg, Preussen
4. Friedrich Gottlob LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 1 Nov 1851 25th And 28th Infantry Regiments, Aachen,
Rheinland, Preussen
5. Friedrich Carl LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 31 May 1852 Neu Zauche, Brandenburg, Preussen
6. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 4 Jul 1852 Paul Gerhardt Kirche, Luebben Stadt,
Brandenburg, Preussen
7. Friedrich LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 11 Jul 1852 Milatary Records, Frankfurt Am Oder
Stadt, Brandenburg, Preussen
8. FRIEDRICH LEBERECHT LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 14 Nov 1853 Goerlitz, Sln, Preussen
9. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 1854 Gnaden-Invaliden Kirche, Berlin Stadt,
Brandenburg, Preussen
10. Friedrich Traugott LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 28 May 1854 Neukirch, Bautzen, Sachsen
11. Fr._ Wilhelmine LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: F Marriage: 13 Jan 1856 Bernickow, Brandenburg, Preussen
12. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 30 Mar 1856 Gnaden-Invaliden Kirche, Berlin Stadt,
Brandenburg, Preussen
13. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 2 Nov 1857 Military Regiment 2, Gartz, Pommern,
Preussen
14. Friedrich Carl LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 26 Jul 1857 Reichenbrand, Chemnitz, Sachsen
15. Friedrich LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 2 May 1858 Komptendorf, Brandenburg, Preussen
16. Friedrich LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 29 Jul 1859 Civil, Bonn, Rheinland, Preussen
17. Friedrich Wilhelm LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 1 Jun 1859 Civil, Duesseldorf Stadt, Rheinland,
Preussen
18. Fridericus LEHMANN - International Genealogical Index/GE
Gender: M Marriage: 8 Sep 1860 Katholisch, Eich Andernach, Rheinland,
Preussen
Clicking on each name on the website leads to information about the wife
(would be helpful only to you but not to me because you did not include her
name in the posting you made).
Whether any of these listings is helpful or not one can only guess. Likely
not. But at least this exercise shows, if nothing else, that the LAYMAN and
LEHMAN surnames are sufficiently common that at this point, without
forgetting it later one, you are definitely going to have to go on something
more concrete than the possible religious vocation of other people who share
that common surname.
Have you checked English immigration and emigration records? Have you
checked his obituary? Have you checked to see if he had brother or cousin
living nearby (as may be shown in a census report for 1870, 1880, or 1900)?
Have you tried to perform research on a brother or cousin? Where did you
get the "February" birth month from? have you looked for such a record for
a relative of his living contemporaneously with him? Did he arrive in
America married? Do you know his wife's (your great great grandmother's)
name? He maiden name? Where they lived in what years?
These would help you in making further research decisions. I think you have
started on the right track and need to pursue some major American sources
research first, not giving up simply because he had no declaration of
intention. He may very well have had a brother or cousin who did have such
a declaration and, if they lived where such declarations included mention of
the town of origin, as in many, many situations was the case, then bingo,
you've accomplished your objective. And of course, if it did not strike you
yet, the IGI for Germany should be searched for reference to any and all of
his relatives who lived contemporaneously with him (so far as you are able
to learn who they were). While your direct line ancestor may not even show
up in the IGI, his brother may (your great great grandfather may have, say,
1000 living descendants). In America, 5 million of the 250 million
inhabitants are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
(one in 50 people). They and counless thousands of others (both members of
the Church and those not members) contribute names to the IGI and its
predecessor records collections); it is a worldwide effort and has been
going on since 1836. Even if none of your living relatives (descendants of
your immigrant great great grandfather) has contributed his name to the IGI
(and that of course is possible), the name of one of his brothers or sisters
or cousins may indeed have been submitted, whether it be a member of the
Church or not, it does not matter. That's why it's so important to
research by the "Back Door Approach" not just the person but the entire
family. The mostly emigrated as families and lived in their neighborhoods
as families.
Good luck. Throw out some names and dates and places and I'm sure others
will want to jump in and try to help even more.
Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of SGO Design Studio
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 4:53 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: LAYMAN
I NEED HELP, I am looking for Different spellings of our surname "LAYMAN".
The only information I have is that my GG Grandfather came to the USA from
Hannover, Germany in the middle 1800"s. Upon his arrival here, his name was
Americanized to "LAYMAN". He traveled here via an indirect route (England),
and because of his enlistment into the Union Army during the Cival War, he
became a citizen without needing to apply through the courts. It has been
mentioned by some in the familly that he may have been from the area known
as Baden, Germany. But his Military records do state he was from Hannover.I
can find no listing on any ship records with the spelling of Frederick
(Layman) (Lehmann) (Laman) (Leiman) (Lyman) that matches his bith date. Any
help would be much appreciated.
He was born in Feb. 1830 and may have arrived here around 1855-57.
Thanks to everyone.
Fred Layman
Date: 2000/05/13 06:36:54
From: SGO Design Studio <sgo(a)adweb.net>
Thanks to everyonee that has given suggestions, I do appreciate them. Steve, A special thank you to you, you have a vasy amount of knowledge on this subject and I appreciatte you taking the time with your suggestions and advise. The following is a summary of the information I have been able to obtain so far on my GG Grandfather. FREDERICK H. LAYMAN was born on or around February 16, 1830 in Hanover, Germany, and died May 27, 1886 in Franklin Co. IL.. He married his first wife (1) MARY CHARLOTTE YOUNGINGER (unable to find much information on this family) Abt. 1863 in Posyville, Indiana, daughter of CHARLES YOUNGINGER and ELIZABETH KNIGHT a grocery store operator in Posyville, Indiana. This marriage took place after he was discharged from the Union Army. They had two children, Charles (my G Grandfather) born in 1864, (moved to Yakima, Washington and John born in 1866, who must have died sometime before 1870. After Mary's death he married (2) SARAH J. SIMPSON October 15, 1868 in White County, Illinois. They had no children. Upon the death of Sarah he married his third wife (3) MARY DOWNEN October 01, 1871 in Posey County, Indiana, daughter of DAVID DOWNEN and MARY SOUTH. They had three children named Archibal F. , born in1873, Rachel P. born 1881, and Caroline E. born 1884. An Orphan by the name of Mary Ormsby born in 1873 is listed as living with them (1870 Federal Census). Fred is buried at Knob Prairie Cemetery in Franklin County, IL. Frederick H Layman Immigrated to the United States around 1855-1857 and settled near Benton, Illinois. He enlisted in Company "H" 48th Regiment Volunteers Infantry from White County, IL. on September 10, 1861 at Camp Butler Illinois (Union Army) under the command of General Asher Goslen. At the time of his enlistment according to his military records he lived in Carmi, Illinois (White County) and was 32 years old. He was 5ft 6in tall, his hair color was black in color, and he had brown eyes and a dark complexion. He was wounded in the right arm between the elbow and the shoulder in the battle of Shiloh and saw action at FT. Henry, Ft Donelson, Siege of Vicksburg and lookout Mt.. He developed chronic diarrhea and was discharged from the service for disability at the rank of corporal. It is said by some, Frederick immigrated to this country (USA) with a brother (name unknown) They lost track of each other. Some of the other "surnames" associated with this Layman family include> Chapman, de LaP;ante, LaPlante, Downen, James, Puckett, Puckette, Vike, Younginger Very little is known of my G G Grandfather before his military service. I have been unable to locate his port of entry, immigration/naturalization records, and /or any kind of citizenship records. I was told that an application for citizenship was not needed if one served in the military. The information we do have is based on stories and the little information obtained from his military records. We believe he came to the United States from Hannover, Germany via England. It is said that the spelling of our last name was Americanized to "Layman" upon his arrival to this country. The correct spelling is unknown for sure. I have been trying to track down any information that could assist in my very difficult search. Any suggestions or aid would be much appreciated. I have been able to track down one of his Great Granddaughters living in Il. (the Daughter of Caroline). She can't remember anyone ever talking about his place of birth, or the original spelling of our last name. She is the one that mentioned that he came over with a brother but never knew his name. Some of the other stories include that his father was also named Fred and that he served as an officer in the Prussian Army. Also that the reason he left Germany was to prevent him from having to go into the army. I had an uncle tell me that he heard that he might have worked his way over on a ship. All do agree that he took an indirect route via England. I have had very little problem finding information about him after he enlisted, it's before that time period I can't seem to unlock. Fredric H Layman Sgo(a)adweb.net
Date: 2000/05/13 08:15:54
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> Werner: would you be able to check for the Kiehn and Meyer names around > Hankensbüttel in the Hannover territory? Thanks. Carol The phone directory shows many Kiehn and Meyer, too much for listing here. Please look: www.teleauskunft.de Werner ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/13 08:19:25
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> Werner: would you be able to check for the Kiehn and Meyer names around > Hankensbüttel in the Hannover territory? Thanks. Carol The phone directory shows many Kiehn and Meyer, too much for listing here. Also many Meyer in Hankensbüttel, but not a Kiehn. Please look: www.teleauskunft.de Werner ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/15 04:07:56
From: Geraldine Miller <gmiller(a)ktis.net>
I want to give all of you who helped me with my GRAUSCHOPF surname a great big THANKS. I got some terrific help. Geraldine in MO
Date: 2000/05/15 05:18:54
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
Some of you may not have missed me but I was sort of out of
touch for a while. My mail box claimed to be full and I had no way
of removing whatever it was that filled it up. Somehow 4 messages
consumed 10 MB of mailbox space. So if any of you had mail to
me returned that was why.
In the meantime we left our winter home in Florida and spent a little
over a week at the factor which built our motor coach. We took
possession in February and there were a number of little things
which had to be taken care of. For those of you who don't know the
Indiana area surrounding Nappanee a little description might help.
This is PA Dutch country except not as commercialised as
Lancaster, PA has become. There are buggies of all shapes and
types going to and fro but always in a trot. No one seems to
believe in just walking the horses. They trot all the time and I really
started to feel sorry for the poor things. We took in all the sites in
the area and even bought a nice quilt for our coach bedroom. It
matches the furniture perfectly and we couldn't resist.
We spent a few days in Bremen, IN which is right next door to N. I
valiantly tried to find out just why and how the name Bremen got to
be there. No one seems to have researched the matter more than
to say that some people from Bremen started the place. But as to
who is another question. The town lies in German township which
should tell us something but many bad things happened during the
course of WW I.
I dug around at the library for the better part of a day and noted a
few headlines from the "Bremen Enquirer" of that day. The Bremen
Volksfest became the Bremen Fair in 1917 and was completely
discontinued in 1919 and the fair grounds were sold.
Dec. 27th, 1917 - Within the last few years a decidedly strong
feeling has sprung up in this vicinity that the names of Bremen and
German township should be changed...
Of course there is no chance to mistake the sentiment that
prompts the demand. It is a patriotic desire to avoid everything that
looks and sounds like the hated autocracy that forced this country
into war, and it is a worthy sentiment, entitled to consideration and
respect.
Suggestions for new names for both the town and the township
seem to be in order. For the town, more particularly, brevity will
meet the approval of the post office department.
April 25, 1918 - Headline: German is cut from schools.
sub head: No Kaiser language ... will be taught the pupils of
Bremen's public schools next year .. or ever again while infamous
brutality rules in Germany.
June 13, 1918
Yellow paint is used on the houses of 3 suspected German
sympathizers. etc etc etc
------------
In the many antique shops one could find old German school
books. Apparently school was taught in German for a long time.
WWI put a stop to all that and simply wiped history out of
existence. Only the PA Dutch kept their culture and language alive
but within limits.
I spoke to a waitress who, like so many residents, wore the typical
PA Dutch attire. I asked her about genealogy and if she knew her
own ancestry. She thought it was from Sweden and Switzerland. :-(
I said, 'Sweden?' I tried to explain that her that her heritage most
likely came through Pennsylvania but originally from Alsace and
Switzerland. We compared words. Loeffle was a little spoon but
Loeffel a big one like a ladle. Lots of high German endings to the
words and it showed the roots. She then explained that her
husband would know all that. He did his genealogy and knew more
about history. I guess the girls get short shrift in education too.
Some of the very early settlers of Bremen were Schlater &
Geiselmann who named the place New Bremen. Dietrich,
Schreiner, Amacher, Biehl, Schilt & Schmachtenberger were
among many other early settlers. But if anybody really came from
Bremen the records don't show. Perhaps it was just a convenient
name because they had all just left Bremen?
I made a copy of a centennial booklet they published in 1971 just
in case anyone has any connections to the place.
------------------
Out trip back towards Dayton and home took us via a detour to the
town of Oldenburg. I simply had to have been there and had no idea
what to expect. It is in Ohio and sort of out of the way of
everything. It seemed to be a place which time forgot. All the street
names are still in German and Ferneding Strasse hit me like a rock
on the head. I drive a 45' rig and tow a Grand Cherokee behind that.
The coach is 13'-4" high and just fits under bridges which are built
for 13-6 clearance. So it's big and when I parked in front of the
church I created a bit of a stir. People actually come out of their
houses to look and stare. :-) I went around taking pictures and
came back to a small crowd looking over this monster which had
arrived in town. "Are there any histories written about this town?",
is usually my first question. Nobody knew of anything. Is there a
library here? Nope. Can anybody tell me how the place got
started? An ancient man came forward. He was a Franciscan
brother who was trying to be helpful. He took into the church and lit
up the lights and showed me the gravestone of the founder of this
parish, they priest responsible for the church and the founding of
the town. But he was from Alsace and what's the deal with
Oldenburg? "Well, isn't that in Alsace?"
I wasn't getting very far but there in the vestibule was a picture of
the baptismal font of the Damme church where it said many of the
parishioners' ancestors were baptized. The brother took me to the
nuns across the street. Our founding father also started the cloister
and brought a first nun over from Vienna and she sought out others
over there. So we wind up in this huge five story building which
seems to house many very old women - hundreds of them? The
nuns also run a welcome center which has some literature
available but alas that place was only open on certain hours. The
nun who received us knew nothing and seemingly also never cared.
She was Irish and all this old German stuff was not of interest to
her. Do any of the nuns still speak German. She didn't thinks so.
She gave me a little package which explained her order etc but
nothing of the town's history. I asked if the neighboring town had a
library. Yes it did. I decide that I need to go there as no town has
absolutely no written history. Somebody, somewhere must have
said something and it's most likely in the library. So we pull out.
My intent was to try to ccircle the block to get back out on the
road we came in on. This is a very hilly place and calls itself the
Town of Spires - Alsace ddoes fit. Anyway, my wife screams at me
not to turn into this street as the tree branches aare much too low.
I go the other way and promptly wind up on a dead end street.
People look at us as if we're crazy. We unhook our car and Marlies
(my wife) drives the jeep and I back the rig (very slowly) back out of
our predicament. Down the hill, over the creek and up again on the
other side to set myself up for a turn-a-round. We do manage to
leave Oldenburg and arrive in Barnesville a mile or so away.
Nice library and helpful librarians. I get the one folder they have
about Oldenburg. It's actually in another county. First thing I see is
a stapled set of papers about the life of Fr. Ferneding who really
started the church and village of Oldenburg. Who do I see as the
author? Our very own Bob Niehaus of Virginia and this list. I still
don't know how his report got there but strangely enough we had
just been in communication about another stop I was going to
make in Dayton. He had sent me the address I couldn't locate it in
my mess) of one of my wife's Barlage descendants whom I had
planned to meet while out there. So I was about to visit Anne
Barlow (from Barlage) Ferneding when I run into Ferneding Strasse
in Oldenburg, Indiana and one of Bob's research projects. Small
world this genealogy stuff.
Sadly there really is no written history of Oldenburg, IN. The only
wwork seems to be a parish history and various newspaper
articles. The place is mentioned in county histories and people are
mentioned but who and from where is always another matter.
Perhaps local genealogists have done some work but Just who the
various families were who settled the town is still open for research.
Ferneding was from Holdorf. I would presume that Steinfeld and
Damme along the lines of Stallo represent many of the early
settlers there. Perhaps someone here has some connections
there?
We did visit with Ms Ferneding in Dayton for a couple of days. She
is very confused about dates and age seems to be getting the best
of her. We also visited her cousin Adele Castle who is wheelchair
bound, even older and also hard of hearing. To describe the
conversation between the bunch of us would make a good Abbot &
Costello routine. :-)
The best moment for me was a trip to Calvary Cemetery which was
partly founded by my Theodore Barlage (1805-1877) and where his
family's "lot" takes up an entire hilltop with several huge columnar
memorial stones and many, many others who married into the
family. That I actually got to see his gravestone along with that of
his second wife, Dorothea Nippgen, was quite a moment for me. I
had been working this guy from information given to me by the
Barlage's of Essen and Cloppenburg. My intent was to close the
loop and find the descendants who had no idea that Barlage was
really the name which created Barlow.
While I was in Florida, I also made contact with Sonia Holtz from
Sweden who was working her Nippgen ancestry and wondered
about the same things I did with my Barlow. It truly is a small world
because of the internet.
Fred
normally in Naples or on the road in the Rumplewagen
but presently in Beverly, NJ
609-386-6846
fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/15 17:23:46
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Dear Readers:
I, like many of you, read the lengthy message shared with us by Wolfgang
Fred Rump (fred(a)compu.com) sent through hannover-l(a)genealogy.net concerning
Bremen (or New Bremen), located in German Township, Marshall County, Indiana
(which he identifies as "right next door to Nappanee") and concerning
Oldenburg, Franklin County, Indiana (which also once in his message he
mentions is located not in Indiana but "in Ohio" and in connection with
which he mentions "Barnesville" which he states is located "a mile or so
away"). He states that neither Bremen (New Bremen) nor Oldenburg has
written histories.
I am not sure exactly what his research objective is, but it appears from
some of his statements of interest that he is interested in family history
research for his lines in those locations in the 1800s.
As to Marshall County, Indiana, on can find twenty-five topics in the Family
History Library Catalog in the Family History Library of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, all available at a family history library
nearby Mr. Rump's home. For example, the twenty five topics are:
Place: Indiana, Marshall
Notes: Created 1835 from St. Joseph and Elkhart counties
Topics: Indiana, Marshall - Archives and libraries - Inventories,
registers, catalogs
Indiana, Marshall - Biography
Indiana, Marshall - Biography - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - Cemeteries
Indiana, Marshall - Census - 1860 - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - Church history
Indiana, Marshall - Church records
Indiana, Marshall - Court records - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - Directories
Indiana, Marshall - Genealogy
Indiana, Marshall - Genealogy - Periodicals
Indiana, Marshall - Guardianship
Indiana, Marshall - Guardianship - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - History
Indiana, Marshall - History - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - Land and property
Indiana, Marshall - Land and property - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - Maps
Indiana, Marshall - Maps - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - Naturalization and citizenship
Indiana, Marshall - Naturalization and citizenship - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - Probate records
Indiana, Marshall - Probate records - Indexes
Indiana, Marshall - Vital records
Indiana, Marshall - Vital records - Indexes
Choosing just one of the above-listed twenty-five topics (namely, "Indiana,
Marshall - History"), one finds the following six titles listed:
Topic: Indiana, Marshall - History
Titles: Historical and genealogical records of Marshall County,
Indiana Daughters of the American Revolution.
Wythougan Chapter (Marshall County, Indiana)
History of Indiana, special edition for Marshall County :
containing a history of Indiana and biographical
sketches of governors and other leading men, also a
statement of the growth and prosperity of Marshall
County, together with a personal and family history of many
of its citizens
The History of Marshall County, Indiana Marshall County
Historical Society (Indiana)
The story of Marshall County Swindell, Minnie Harris
The story of Marshall County, Indiana Norris, Harris
A twentieth century history of Marshall County, Indiana
McDonald, Daniel
Choosing just one of the above six titles (namely, "The History of Marshall
County, Indiana Marshall County Historical Society (Indiana)" leads to the
following information:
Title: The History of Marshall County, Indiana
Stmnt.Resp.: [Marshall County Historical Society]
Authors: Marshall County Historical Society (Indiana) (Added Author)
Notes: Includes surname index.
Contains histories of Marshall County towns, and
biographical sketches of Marshall County families.
Subjects: Indiana, Marshall - History
Indiana, Marshall - Biography
Call Number: 977.288 H2h FHL US/CAN Book
Format: Books/Monographs
Language: English
Publication: Plymouth, Ind. : Marshall County Historical Society, 1986
Physical: 586 p. : ill., maps., ports.
Subject Class: 977.288 H2
What is noteworthy about the above is that some of the county histories for
Marshall County, Indiana (as was the case in most all county histories of
counties in the United States) "contains histories of Marshall County towns,
and biographical sketches of Marshall County families." This was the rule
rather than the exception; town histories are plentiful if one looks for
them, especially in county histories. And note that the above represents
only one written history of six for that county, which type of history (a
printed history printed in a book) forms only one category of twenty-five
categories of records for that county which are almost all available on
microfilm and viewable locally to almost anyone anywhere in the entire world
at a Family History Center. (The book chosen above is not on microfilm; the
other printed histories are.)
To find the above information, all I did was the following:
1. Go on the internet to http://www.familysearch.org/
2. Choose "custom search"
3. Choose "Family History Library Catalog"
4. Choose "Place Search"
5. In the "Place" field type "Marshall" and in the "Part Of (Optional)"
field type "Indiana"
6. Click on the "Indiana, Marshall" link
7. Click on the "Indiana, Marshall - History" link (note the other links to
other topics; note the "[View next set of matching topics]" link; note the
"View Related Places" button)
8. Print the page and click the "The History of Marshall County, Indiana
Marshall County Historical Society (Indiana)" link
9. Print the page (at this stage with other titles you will also be able to
click a "view film notes" button to see information on how to order a
temporary loan of a microfilm copy of the book for local viewing).
The same results from a search for records for Franklin County, Indiana.
For example, Mr. Rump does not reveal whether his ancestors were Roman
Catholic, but if they were, he might find it of interest to him that the
Roman Catholic Parish registers of the Holy Family parish located in
Oldenburg, Indiana, recording baptisms, communions, confirmations, marriages
and deaths for the years 1837 through 1988 have been microfilmed and are
available for research. They can be a sort of "history" (perhaps even the
type of history he is interested in):
Title: Parish registers, 1837-1988
Authors: Catholic Church. Holy Family (Oldenburg, Indiana)
Note 1: Baptisms 1837-1888; Communion 1844-1868; Confirmations
1843-1868; Communion/confirmations 1875-1942;
Marriages
1843-1871; Baptisms 1872-1982 (index); Deaths
1843-1867;
Marriages 1867-1988 (index)
Location, Film: FHL US/CAN Film 1535799 Items 7-11
Note 2: Baptisms 1872-1982 (index); Deaths 1843-1867;
Marriages 1867-1988 (index)
Location, Film: FHL US/CAN Film 1535800 Items 1-3
The above information can be found using the following steps:
1. Go on the internet to http://www.familysearch.org/
2. Choose "custom search"
3. Choose "Family History Library Catalog"
4. Choose "Place Search"
5. In the "Place" field type "Oldenburg" and in the "Part Of (Optional)"
field type "Indiana"
6. Click on the "Indiana, Franklin, Oldenburg" link
7. Click on the "Indiana, Franklin, Oldenburg - Church records" link (note
the other links)
8. Click on the "Parish registers, 1837-1988 Catholic Church. Holy Family
(Oldenburg, Indiana)" link (note the other link)
9. Print the page and click the "View Film Notes" button
10. Print the page and click the "View Title Details" button
11. Print the page
Similarly, instead of searching for the town of "Oldenburg" one could easily
search for the County of Franklin, Indiana, and just as was the case for the
county of Marshall, so with the county of Franklin:
1. Go on the internet to http://www.familysearch.org/
2. Choose "custom search"
3. Choose "Family History Library Catalog"
4. Choose "Place Search"
5. In the "Place" field type "Franklin" and in the "Part Of (Optional)"
field type "Indiana"
6. Click on the "Indiana, Franklin" link which leads to twenty-eight
topics)
7. Click on the "Indiana, Franklin - History" link (note the other links to
other topics; note the "[View next set of matching topics]" link; note the
"View Related Places" button)
8. Print the page and click on the various links leading to three histories
(which include biographies and likely include histories of the towns,
including of Oldenburg), one of which histories is two volumes in length,
all three of which histories are on microfilm
Sometimes it just takes an introduction to the sources and the wonderful new
ways to discover them.
Steve.
Date: 2000/05/16 02:06:07
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>
Thanks for sharing, Fred. Welcome back. I, for one, noted your absence. :-) Mona ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Date: 2000/05/16 02:31:00
From: angie-web <angie-web(a)webtv.net>
mr rump's way sounded like more fun-the difference between attending the ball game and watching it on television. hope mrs. rump concurs :-) the backing up episode took me right back to childhood in the back seat-dad AND mom driving at the same time! visit:http://community.webtv.net/web-angie/Webspinsters (always evolving)
Date: 2000/05/16 04:19:56
From: Rmeints <Rmeints(a)aol.com>
Moin Fred, It's nice to have you back. Also, I enjoyed reading about your trip thru Indiana and Ohio. I think the comments by Stephen were insensitive and uncalled for. You have been very helpful to all who are researching their ancestors in the Hannover region of Germany. Keep up the good work. Thanks, and have a nice day. Robert Meints Rmeints(a)aol.com
Date: 2000/05/16 04:36:38
From: Cherie Richards <cherier(a)asacomp.com>
Welcome back, Fred. I always learn a lot from your posts. Cherie -----Original Message----- From: Rmeints(a)aol.com <Rmeints(a)aol.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:21 PM Subject: Re: I'm back >Moin Fred, > >It's nice to have you back. >Also, I enjoyed reading about your trip thru Indiana and Ohio. >I think the comments by Stephen were insensitive and uncalled for. >You have been very helpful to all who are researching their ancestors >in the Hannover region of Germany. >Keep up the good work. >Thanks, and have a nice day. > >Robert Meints >Rmeints(a)aol.com >
Date: 2000/05/16 05:14:09
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
On 15 May 2000, at 8:23, Stephen Kent Ehat wrote: > I am not sure exactly what his research objective is, but it appears > from some of his statements of interest that he is interested in > family history research for his lines in those locations in the > 1800s. My interest is only one of general historical inquisitiveness. I think many of us genealogists share this trait. We look where others don't just to see what might be there. > As to Marshall County, Indiana, on can find twenty-five topics in > the Family History Library Catalog in the Family History Library of > the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, all available at a > family history library nearby Mr. Rump's home. For example, the > twenty five topics are: > > Place: Indiana, Marshall > Notes: Created 1835 from St. Joseph and Elkhart counties > Topics: Indiana, Marshall - Archives and libraries - > Inventories, registers, catalogs As I said in my note, there is some information available about the places I visited in general county and state histories, but nothing unique to the places themselves. <snip the list of sources> > The same results from a search for records for Franklin County, > Indiana. For example, Mr. Rump does not reveal whether his ancestors > were Roman Catholic, but if they were, he might find it of interest > to him that the Roman Catholic Parish registers of the Holy Family > parish located in Oldenburg, Indiana, recording baptisms, > communions, confirmations, marriages and deaths for the years 1837 > through 1988 have been microfilmed and are available for research. > They can be a sort of "history" (perhaps even the type of history he > is interested in): My ancestry is scattered all over Germany and Oldenburg is one of these areas. My interest in going to Oldenburg, IN was strictly to go see the place and find out a little about its history. The same form Bremen and other PA Dutch places. > Sometimes it just takes an introduction to the sources and the > wonderful new ways to discover them. > > Steve. I'm sure some of us appreciate your 'instructions' but I would suspect that most of us have been there before. One does not have to forgo genealogy to be also interested in places of historical interest or the other way around. The two go together like apple pie and ice cream. :-) Fred normally in Naples or on the road in the Rumplewagen but presently in Beverly, NJ 609-386-6846 fred(a)compu.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- normally in Naples or on the road in the Rumplewagen but presently in Beverly, NJ 609-386-6846 fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/16 05:16:52
From: Fred Kattau <fdkattau(a)mysolution.com>
Fred Glad you were able to visit Indiana, but sorry you were not able to spend some time in our library in Fort Wayne. I think you would enjoy it. another Fred
Date: 2000/05/16 05:43:34
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
> On 15 May 2000, at 22:15, Fred Kattau wrote: > > > Fred > > Glad you were able to visit Indiana, but sorry you were not able to > > spend some time in our library in Fort Wayne. I think you would > > enjoy it. another Fred > I LOVE libraries and have been known to disappear in them. While sitting at the factory in Nappanee we had scheduled a day to visit the University of Notre Dame. So we go to South Bend and look for the tour they have of the place. We park and find the brand new bookstore they had just built instead. I never left the place. It was paradise on earth for me. I've never seen such a huge book store and can only imagine what their library looks like. I guess I'll get to check that out the next time we're in that neighborhood. Fred normally in Naples or on the road in the Rumplewagen but presently in Beverly, NJ 609-386-6846 fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/16 06:39:08
From: Hoosierlaw <Hoosierlaw(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 5/14/2000 11:20:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fredrump(a)home.com writes: << We do manage to leave Oldenburg and arrive in Barnesville a mile or so away. >> Oldenburg is next to Batesville in Ripley County, Indiana. It is a pretty little town in southeastern Indiana which has a rich German heritage. I live in Rising Sun which is a little south of there. Lane Siekman
Date: 2000/05/16 06:52:55
From: Lori Mitchell <sojourner(a)erols.com>
> It's nice to have you back. > Also, I enjoyed reading about your trip thru Indiana and Ohio. > I think the comments by Stephen were insensitive and uncalled for. > You have been very helpful to all who are researching their ancestors > in the Hannover region of Germany. I must have missed something because I found nothing offensive at all in Steve's remarks. Insensitive? I don't see it. In fact, my impression was that he was trying to help by giving out some information he thought Fred could use. Perhaps his style wasn't "warm and fuzzy", but it wasn't caustic either. I agree that Fred has been very helpful to everyone on the list, and I enjoyed his account of his trip - sort of like a letter from a friend; it made me laugh. But let's cut Steve some slack too. After all, he also took the time to put together the information he sent. Lori
Date: 2000/05/16 15:58:31
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
On 16 May 2000, at 0:38, Hoosierlaw(a)aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/2000 11:20:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > fredrump(a)home.com writes: > > << We do manage to > leave Oldenburg and arrive in Barnesville a mile or so away. >> > > > Oldenburg is next to Batesville in Ripley County, Indiana. It is a > pretty little town in southeastern Indiana which has a rich German > heritage. I live in Rising Sun which is a little south of there. Ooops, I even mentioned to the librarian if 'Psycho' was filmed there. The name Batesville sort of reminded me of the star of that film and then I wind up writing Barnes. :-) Must be old age creeping in. I'm glad somebody from Hoosierland is on this list to. Fred normally in Naples or on the road in the Rumplewagen but presently in Beverly, NJ 609-386-6846 fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/18 07:52:52
From: SHAR1313 <SHAR1313(a)aol.com>
Welcome back Fred. And thank you for taking the time to type all the news you had. I for one enjoyed it immensely. I wish I could tag along with you on one of your trips! Rather than speak in 3rd person, I'll be direct on this next topic: Stephen Kent Ehat, what exactly was your motive for your post on 5-15? It did come across as negative and odd, at best, but I'd like to hear from you if that was not your intent.
Date: 2000/05/18 15:03:11
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>
Perhaps Stephen is reluntant to come forth. (I would be, if I were in his shoes.) I found his message to be extremely helpful, and figured that he just didn't realize that Fred is not a newbie. For those of us who have received a lot of help and direction from Fred in years past, it seemed to be a strange reply. But that's only because we knew some background information that Stephen probably was unaware of. Mona On Thu, 18 May 2000 01:52:14 EDT SHAR1313(a)aol.com writes: > Welcome back Fred. And thank you for taking the time to type all the > news > you had. I for one enjoyed it immensely. I wish I could tag along > with you > on one of your trips! > > Rather than speak in 3rd person, I'll be direct on this next topic: > > Stephen Kent Ehat, what exactly was your motive for your post on > 5-15? It > did come across as negative and odd, at best, but I'd like to hear > from you > if that was not your intent. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Date: 2000/05/18 20:12:52
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
I sent the below message this morning but it did not come back to me as other ones have done in the past. Because I attached a picture to the one that I sent this morning and because I think that maybe the attachment caused the e-mail not to go through, I have deleted the picture from the message and sent the message once again. Thanks. Steve. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Kent Ehat [mailto:ske(a)bnelaw.com] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:03 AM To: 'hannover-l(a)genealogy.net' Subject: Re: I'm Back Dear Readers, This morning I return to the office and as I read my e-mail of the last couple of days see that I have offended some people. I meant no offense whatsoever and had nothing but the purest motives in spending the time I spent researching and writing what I wrote. I was trying only to be helpful. I apologize to any and all of you whom I unknowingly offended. On April 25, 2000 I found reference at http://feefhs.org/de/han/hef/findbuch.html to the fact that at the World Exposition in Hannover, Germany, to be held June 1, 2000 to October 31, 2000, a "Findbuch" will be made available for researching on computer. The "press release" (for want of a better characterization) reads in relevant part as follows: At the Niedersächsisches Hauptstaatsarchive (NSHA) [Lower Saxony Main State Archive] historian Ursula Diuttrich's exclusive function is capture all data pertaining to emigrants in a "Findbuch" [Finding Index]. Eventually the data can be retrieved from a computer. The staff intends to enter some of the basic data regarding emigrants into the internet about six months before the beginning of the exhibition. This is to enable American Expo visitors to ascertain early on whether evidence of their forbearers may be found in the archival holdings. "We have in mind to make a computer with this findbuch data available on the premises of the Expo," said NSHA departmental director Manfred von Boetticher. I thought I would like to know more about it so I looked for and signed up onto the hannover-l mailing list. Within minutes I got my "Welcome to the hannover-l mailing list!" and sent my inquiry about the Expo and Findbuch. I received one kind reply from a professional researcher in Germany whose name and reputation were already known to me from other sources. I saw other e-mail messages that persons sent back and forth complaining about politics and the current president of the United States and the like, all prompted by my simple inquiry (I was trying to find out more information that perhaps might help me in for my own selfish purposes, trying to find, as I have for years tried to find, the town or origin of my great great grandmother, Sophia CHRIST, b. 6 Jan 1820 somewhere in Hannover province.) I thanked the German researcher; I read and otherwise deleted the other political messages. I read other e-mail messages in the ensuing two weeks. I did research on a few of them because I perceived that I had expertise helpful to some of them (I've done research in German records since 1975 and in American records since 1969 when I was age 17; I had tried to do some at age 12 on a family visit through Salt Lake City but learned only that I needed to know more about my family first.) I passed along some suggestions and received some expressions of gratitude. Then I read the e-mail about the trip through Ohio. Apparently like a number of you, I was delighted by the story. I had never read an e-mail by that sender (and now I know why) and having read the e-mail as a delightful story, I also (now I know mistakenly) read it as a request for information. So I looked for what I thought were the only indications of what it might be that he was requesting, namely, information about whether or not there exist any histories of the two towns he visited. His e-mail showed clearly that he was looking for written histories of the towns and he clearly stated that no such histories existed. I looked up the possibility that such histories did exist, thought that I found evidence of it, and sent my e-mail, not knowing what a "hornets' nest" (speaking kindly) I had created for myself. I think I came across as "rude" or "insensitive" to some of you because I used the word "lengthy" to describe the e-mail. Well, my reply, too, was lengthy (and probably boring); it also was offensive but nevertheless was sent only as the result of a pure effort to be helpful. Believe it or not, I'm a nice guy. So, sorry about the offense. Picture below, in case anyone thinks my happiness and joy in life is at all diminished by this experience. No not at all. I'm sure that some who read into my e-mail an evil motive or an offensive nature simply did not know when it was that I came onto the list or how the e-mail I was responding to looks to someone who, like me, saw it, standing alone, without the historical context you all otherwise enjoyed. Now don't any of you take pity on me or get into any type of great big dialogue on the matter. This kind of misunderstanding happens in these types of efforts. We're all brothers and sisters and share an exciting common interest. Thanks all for your efforts. And thanks for your interest. Steve.
Date: 2000/05/19 00:13:22
From: AnnP42 <AnnP42(a)aol.com>
In his message of 5/18 (FW: Re: I'm Back), Steve refers to the Findbuch being prepared for the Hannover Exposition this summer... "At the World Exposition in Hannover, Germany, to be held June 1, 2000 to October 31, 2000, a "Findbuch" will be made available for researching on computer" Can anyone explain how it will be/is different from the <A HREF="http://www.deutsche-auswanderer-datenbank.de/enframeset.htm";>Deutsche Auswanderer-Datenbank</A> (a research project of the Historisches Museum Bremerhaven)? I tried using this search but it appears that you have to request information and pay for a search to be done (whether anything is found or not). Is anything available online yet for the Hannover Findbuch? PS...Steve, your explanatory message re: "I'm Back" is superb! You ARE a nice guy! Ann
Date: 2000/05/19 00:38:51
From: SHAR1313 <SHAR1313(a)aol.com>
Thank you Mr. Ehat for your explanation. Now we can all get back to the business of genealogy research, which is where we were when this mix-up occurred. :)
Date: 2000/05/19 00:41:04
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>
Steve, What a wonderful message! I'm grateful to have you on our list. You are certainly an asset for many reasons -- not just for your helpfulness and your willingness to put together a plan of action, but for your attitude. We need more members like you! Sincerely, Mona On Thu, 18 May 2000 11:13:06 -0700 "Stephen Kent Ehat" <ske(a)bnelaw.com> writes: > I sent the below message this morning but it did not come back to me > as > other ones have done in the past. Because I attached a picture to > the one > that I sent this morning and because I think that maybe the > attachment > caused the e-mail not to go through, I have deleted the picture from > the > message and sent the message once again. > > Thanks. > > Steve. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Kent Ehat [mailto:ske(a)bnelaw.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:03 AM > To: 'hannover-l(a)genealogy.net' > Subject: Re: I'm Back > > Dear Readers, > > This morning I return to the office and as I read my e-mail of the > last > couple of days see that I have offended some people. I meant no > offense > whatsoever and had nothing but the purest motives in spending the > time I > spent researching and writing what I wrote. I was trying only to be > helpful. I apologize to any and all of you whom I unknowingly > offended. > > On April 25, 2000 I found reference at > http://feefhs.org/de/han/hef/findbuch.html to the fact that at the > World > Exposition in Hannover, Germany, to be held June 1, 2000 to October > 31, > 2000, a "Findbuch" will be made available for researching on > computer. The > "press release" (for want of a better characterization) reads in > relevant > part as follows: > > At the Niedersächsisches Hauptstaatsarchive (NSHA) [Lower Saxony > Main State > Archive] historian Ursula Diuttrich's exclusive function is capture > all data > pertaining to emigrants in a "Findbuch" [Finding Index]. Eventually > the > data can be retrieved from a computer. The staff intends to enter > some of > the basic data regarding emigrants into the internet about six > months before > the beginning of the exhibition. This is to enable American Expo > visitors to > ascertain early on whether evidence of their forbearers may be found > in the > archival holdings. "We have in mind to make a computer with this > findbuch > data available on the premises of the Expo," said NSHA departmental > director > Manfred von Boetticher. > > I thought I would like to know more about it so I looked for and > signed up > onto the hannover-l mailing list. Within minutes I got my "Welcome > to the > hannover-l mailing list!" and sent my inquiry about the Expo and > Findbuch. > > I received one kind reply from a professional researcher in Germany > whose > name and reputation were already known to me from other sources. I > saw > other e-mail messages that persons sent back and forth complaining > about > politics and the current president of the United States and the > like, all > prompted by my simple inquiry (I was trying to find out more > information > that perhaps might help me in for my own selfish purposes, trying to > find, > as I have for years tried to find, the town or origin of my great > great > grandmother, Sophia CHRIST, b. 6 Jan 1820 somewhere in Hannover > province.) > I thanked the German researcher; I read and otherwise deleted the > other > political messages. > > I read other e-mail messages in the ensuing two weeks. I did > research on a > few of them because I perceived that I had expertise helpful to some > of them > (I've done research in German records since 1975 and in American > records > since 1969 when I was age 17; I had tried to do some at age 12 on a > family > visit through Salt Lake City but learned only that I needed to know > more > about my family first.) I passed along some suggestions and > received some > expressions of gratitude. > > Then I read the e-mail about the trip through Ohio. Apparently like > a > number of you, I was delighted by the story. I had never read an > e-mail by > that sender (and now I know why) and having read the e-mail as a > delightful > story, I also (now I know mistakenly) read it as a request for > information. > So I looked for what I thought were the only indications of what it > might be > that he was requesting, namely, information about whether or not > there exist > any histories of the two towns he visited. His e-mail showed > clearly that > he was looking for written histories of the towns and he clearly > stated that > no such histories existed. > > I looked up the possibility that such histories did exist, thought > that I > found evidence of it, and sent my e-mail, not knowing what a > "hornets' nest" > (speaking kindly) I had created for myself. I think I came across > as "rude" > or "insensitive" to some of you because I used the word "lengthy" to > describe the e-mail. Well, my reply, too, was lengthy (and probably > boring); it also was offensive but nevertheless was sent only as the > result > of a pure effort to be helpful. Believe it or not, I'm a nice guy. > > So, sorry about the offense. Picture below, in case anyone thinks my > happiness and joy in life is at all diminished by this experience. > No not > at all. I'm sure that some who read into my e-mail an evil motive > or an > offensive nature simply did not know when it was that I came onto > the list > or how the e-mail I was responding to looks to someone who, like me, > saw it, > standing alone, without the historical context you all otherwise > enjoyed. > > Now don't any of you take pity on me or get into any type of great > big > dialogue on the matter. This kind of misunderstanding happens in > these > types of efforts. We're all brothers and sisters and share an > exciting > common interest. Thanks all for your efforts. And thanks for your > interest. > > Steve. > > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Date: 2000/05/19 05:49:45
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
On 18 May 2000, at 11:13, Stephen Kent Ehat wrote: > Because I attached a picture to > the one that I sent this morning and because I think that maybe the > attachment caused the e-mail not to go through, I have deleted the > picture from the message and sent the message once again. Yes, binary attachments will cause a message rejection. This is a plain text maillist as we can not risk the passing of possible viruses to our readers. Fred normally in Naples or on the road in the Rumplewagen but presently in Beverly, NJ 609-386-6846 fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/19 05:49:54
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
On 18 May 2000, at 11:13, Stephen Kent Ehat wrote: > Now don't any of you take pity on me or get into any type of great big > dialogue on the matter. This kind of misunderstanding happens in > these types of efforts. We're all brothers and sisters and share an > exciting common interest. Thanks all for your efforts. And thanks > for your interest. Well said and Amen to that subject. :-) Unfortunately email is written sight unseen and had I "told" my little story everything would have been perfectly understood by all listeners. I also wrote it late and did not proof read what I quickly jotted down, therefore several typos. That was my fault. I keep telling myself, 'read what you just wrote' before pressing the send key but I seldom do it. Such are the hazzards of email. I've often been caught with my foot in my mouth. Long time email readers understand though. They look beyond the obvious and try to get the meaning of what was intended to be said. Bottom line is that almost all genealogists do not look for mean spirited messages as anything but a bad day or a badly worded message. We wouldn't be on these lists if we didn't have some measure of unselfish helpfulness in our bones. For my part, what little I have done for others has been repaid many times by people who simply knew something I didn't and who went out of their way to get these data to me. I could name names from westfalen-l, hannover-l or oldenburg-l but I'm sure we all have experienced the same helpfulness by either having given or received it. Stephen wrote along those lines and as newcomer to this list did not know where I came from (when I said 'I'm back'). That is why I did not react with scorn but simply said that I know about those things. No harm done. To bring some genealogy in here - I often find that people still don't know of or use http://german.genealogy.net/gene and especially, for this list, the pages for the principality of Osnabrück where most of our Hannover ancestors came from. I've always wanted to translate the section into English but simply have not gotten to it. I also wanted to develop a set of Oldenburg pages but alas, it stays out there as a wish. So check out http://german.genealogy.net/gene/reg/HIST/osna/osna-d.htm and if there are questions, bring them up here. Fred normally in Naples or on the road in the Rumplewagen but presently in Beverly, NJ 609-386-6846 fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/20 06:34:52
From: GKGATES <GKGATES(a)aol.com>
I am a new subscriber to the list and have been reading the latest posts...not sure I'm on the right list, but let me tell you my situation. My grandfather, Henry Bernard Kerkmann married my grandmother, Marie Fathauer in St. Louis in 1891. She was from Preuss Strohem Amt Rahden, Germany, the daughter of Christian Vatthauer of Westphalia and Louise Reimer "of Germany." I have checked all the available records in St. Louis and have not been able to establish where in Germany my grandfather came from. I am making an assumption that he is from the same general area that my grandmother was from, but of course, that is just an assumption - but a place to start. In the 1900 Census of St. Louis, Missouri, Henry is listed with wife Mary and children Henry, Lulu, and Elsa. Also two boarders, George Jahrains (sp ?) and Henry Dickmann. Henry Kerkmann gives his age as 38, born 1861 in Germany. He says he is naturalized and came to the U.S. in 1889. Occupation Stairbuilder. He can read, write and speak English. There's a family story that Henry B. Kerkmann left a Catholic family of a wife and children in Germany and came to America. I have no verification of this story. I have exhausted the resources in St. Louis. Any suggestions? (Now, if I'm on the wrong list or am asking stupid questions, please forgive and be gentle and don't "flame me." Just point me in the right direction, please.) Thanks. G.Gates
Date: 2000/05/20 13:23:42
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>
It appears like you are not even sure of the area of Germany that Henry originated from. You should therefore probably do further research in US records before you start looking for German records. I suggest that you first look at the 1920 census. Many 1920 census records show more detailed information as to the origin of the person. The 1920 census records will also show the date of naturalization. Knowing the date of naturalization, you can search for the Declaration of Intentions. This record usually includes a declaration that the applicant renounces his allegiance to the "Ruler of xxxx". Unfortunately, in your case, since he emigrated in 1889, it probably will just say "Prussia", but it may be worth checking. The Declaration also generally provides the port and exact date of arrival in the US. With this information, you can locate the passenger lists. Some passenger lists for that period sometimes have the place of origin, but they all have other information that can possibly help you. Naturalization records and passenger lists are available from you local LDS Family History Centers as well as other sources. To research these lists, I suggest that you look at my Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists at: http://home.att.net/~arnielang Section 8.0 provides detailed guidance on researching naturalization records and Section 4.0 includes instructions (including an illustrated example) for researching passenger lists in the 1820 to 1891 time period. (See section 2.0 for general help on locating these lists) Arnie GKGATES(a)aol.com wrote: > > I am a new subscriber to the list and have been reading the latest > posts...not sure I'm on the right list, but let me tell you my situation. > My grandfather, Henry Bernard Kerkmann married my grandmother, Marie Fathauer > in St. Louis in 1891. She was from Preuss Strohem Amt Rahden, Germany, the > daughter of Christian Vatthauer of Westphalia and Louise Reimer "of Germany." > > I have checked all the available records in St. Louis and have not been able > to establish where in Germany my grandfather came from. I am making an > assumption that he is from the same general area that my grandmother was > from, but of course, that is just an assumption - but a place to start. > > In the 1900 Census of St. Louis, Missouri, Henry is listed with wife Mary and > children Henry, Lulu, and Elsa. Also two boarders, George Jahrains (sp ?) > and Henry Dickmann. Henry Kerkmann gives his age as 38, born 1861 in > Germany. He says he is naturalized and came to the U.S. in 1889. Occupation > Stairbuilder. He can read, write and speak English. > > There's a family story that Henry B. Kerkmann left a Catholic family of a > wife and children in Germany and came to America. I have no verification > of this story. > > I have exhausted the resources in St. Louis. Any suggestions? > > (Now, if I'm on the wrong list or am asking stupid questions, please forgive > and be gentle and don't "flame me." Just point me in the right direction, > please.) > Thanks. G.Gates -- Arnold Lang arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net
Date: 2000/05/20 19:44:35
From: GKGATES <GKGATES(a)aol.com>
Dear Arnie, Thanks for the suggestion to check the 1920 Census, but unfortunately, my grandfather, Henry B. Kerkmann died in 1917. I forgot to mention that in my initial email. His death certificate gives his father's name also as "Henry Kerkmann" and no name for his mother. The church where he married my grandmother and the cemetery where they are buried had no information. The 1900 census says he had been in America 11 years and was naturalized, but so far I have been unable to find his naturalization papers. The family does not appear in the 1910 census although I know they lived in St. Louis that year. I have also looked at many passenger lists and checked every volume of Filby's for various spellings - Kerkmann, Kerckmann, Kerman, Kirman, etc. I appreciate your thoughts on this. Glo Gates
Date: 2000/05/20 19:50:57
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
Have you tried in the German language or Catholic diocesan newspaper archives in St. Louis, on or just after the date of Henry B Kerkman's death for his death notice placed there by his family? These have helped me in the Cincinnati German papers of the time to find their home towns in Germany. Have you researched his Declaration of Intent to become a US citizen? This requires applicant to state his place of birth. Was Henry alive in 1920? This US Census has more info on place of birth, date of immigration and naturalization info. Good luck Bob Niehaus rniehaus(a)mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <GKGATES(a)aol.com>
Date: 2000/05/20 21:45:40
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
On 20 May 2000, at 13:43, GKGATES(a)aol.com wrote: > Dear Arnie, > Thanks for the suggestion to check the 1920 Census, but unfortunately, > my grandfather, Henry B. Kerkmann died in 1917. I forgot to mention > that in my initial email. His death certificate gives his father's > name also as "Henry Kerkmann" and no name for his mother. The church > where he married my grandmother and the cemetery where they are buried > had no information. Weren't there any descendant Kerkmanns in the area of the census? > > The 1900 census says he had been in America 11 years and was > naturalized, but so far I have been unable to find his naturalization > papers. The family does not appear in the 1910 census although I > know they lived in St. Louis that year. > > I have also looked at many passenger lists and checked every volume > of Filby's for various spellings - Kerkmann, Kerckmann, Kerman, > Kirman, etc. One you've exhausted the churches, the neighbors, the courts and newspapers you might have to go to Germany as you are doing now. Kerkmann is definately northern German, ie today's Lower Saxony. Unfortunately Kerkmann is not a rare name in that it stems from someone who lived near the church (Kirchenmann, Kirche= church). Plattdeutsch for church is Kerk. Still, you might want to do a plot of the prevelance of Kerkmann to see just where they are the most prevelant today. All this is not too old and some family members may remember who it was who went to America from stories told some time ago. You could spot a few letters to individual in particular towns to see if they have any such knowledge. It's lots of work but if you're determined ... Fred fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/20 22:07:38
From: GKGATES <GKGATES(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 5/20/00 12:46:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fredrump(a)home.com writes: << Still, you might want to do a plot of the prevelance of Kerkmann to see just where they are the most prevelant today. All this is not too old and some family members may remember who it was who went to America from stories told some time ago. You could spot a few letters to individual in particular towns to see if they have any such knowledge. It's lots of work but if you're determined ... >> A few years ago I printed out all the Kerkmanns in the German telephone book and concentrated on those in northern Germany. I didn't find my Kerkmanns but did find out a few families who are not my Kerkmanns. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll revisit that resource and get an update and see what I can turn up. G.
Date: 2000/05/21 14:24:52
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
The german phone directory shows 488 Kerkmann, most in Westphalia. Preussisch Ströhen is a region with some villages as a part of the town Rahden, located in Minden county, Westphalia. Just north of Preussisch Ströhen, behind the border Westphalia/Hannover is located in Diepholz county the small town Ströhen, but this is the old Kingdom of Hannover, not Preussisch. I think you should go to the Westphalia list. Werner > I am a new subscriber to the list and have been reading the latest > posts...not sure I'm on the right list, but let me tell you my situation. > My grandfather, Henry Bernard Kerkmann married my grandmother, Marie > Fathauer > in St. Louis in 1891. She was from Preuss Strohem Amt Rahden, Germany, > the > daughter of Christian Vatthauer of Westphalia and Louise Reimer "of > Germany." > I have checked all the available records in St. Louis and have not been > able > to establish where in Germany my grandfather came from. I am making an > assumption that he is from the same general area that my grandmother was > from, but of course, that is just an assumption - but a place to start. > In the 1900 Census of St. Louis, Missouri, Henry is listed with wife Mary > and > children Henry, Lulu, and Elsa. Also two boarders, George Jahrains (sp ?) > and Henry Dickmann. Henry Kerkmann gives his age as 38, born 1861 in > Germany. He says he is naturalized and came to the U.S. in 1889. > Occupation > Stairbuilder. He can read, write and speak English. > There's a family story that Henry B. Kerkmann left a Catholic family of a > wife and children in Germany and came to America. I have no > verification > of this story. > I have exhausted the resources in St. Louis. Any suggestions? > (Now, if I'm on the wrong list or am asking stupid questions, please > forgive > and be gentle and don't "flame me." Just point me in the right > direction, > please.) > Thanks. G.Gates ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/22 03:44:39
From: DSteff4246 <DSteff4246(a)aol.com>
Hello, We need your help in finding more information about a family ancestor from Germany. We are looking for information on Frederick Steffens. From his US naturalization papers, we find he traveled from Bremen, Germany to New Orleans, Louisiana, USA in June 1852. We believe he was born in the village of Spieka, near Dorum, Cappell and Norholz, a little north of Bremerhaven on May 10, 1833. The family story is that he was traveling in a party of four -- with his mother, father and a young lady. The young lady may have been known as Catharina Margareta Rebecca Schubart or Catharina Margareta Rebecca Steffens (born in 1826). We don't know at what point Frederick married Catharina. They could have married while in Germany, aboard ship or after they reached America. Our understanding, again from this old family story, is that the influenza broke out on the ship and Frederick's parents died while on board before the end of the trip. Frederick and Catharina went onto settle in the Illinois area. At this point our knowledge, looking back further in time stops. We have no knowledge of Frederick's parents' name and are looking for some help with this. We believe that Catharina came to live with the Steffens' as an orphan, when she was a young girl and stayed on, eventually marrying Frederick, an only child. Any help is appreciated -- birth records, marriage records, or contact with possible relatives that are still in the Spieka area. We hope we have selected the proper subscription list for researching in the region between Cuxhaven and Bremerhaven. If not please let us know and we'll move on. Thank you for your time and interest in our quest. Kindest regards, Doug and Darlene Steffens Renton, Washngton, USA
Date: 2000/05/22 13:22:31
From: Pi-que <Pi-que(a)swbell.net>
Good morning Werner. I have traced to my ggggrandmother to the location of Oberlauringen, Unterfranken, Bayren, Germany. I am having trouble with her surname(s) as listed on the rolls of the Oberlauringen Lutheran marriage archives. Married to Johannas George Zirkelbach, she is listed as Anna Sophia HEGE Von THEINFELD. Born to them in 1805 was Johann William Zirkelbach. Which of the following would be her maiden name? HEGE, Von THEINFELD, or just THEINFELD, and how may I research it? I have located the name HEGE, with no apparant connection at this point, but the secondary name Theinfeld has me puzzled. Any help appreciated Park Kaestner
Date: 2000/05/22 14:07:48
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
On 22 May 2000, at 7:25, Pi-que(a)swbell.net wrote: > Good morning Werner. > I have traced to my ggggrandmother to the location of Oberlauringen, > Unterfranken, Bayren, Germany. I am having trouble with her > surname(s) as listed on the rolls of the Oberlauringen Lutheran > marriage archives. Married to Johannas George Zirkelbach, she is > listed as Anna Sophia HEGE von THEINFELD. Born to them in 1805 was > Johann William Zirkelbach. > Which of the following would be her maiden name? HEGE, Von THEINFELD, > or just THEINFELD, and how may I research it? I have located the name > HEGE, with no apparant connection at this point, but the secondary > name Theinfeld has me puzzled. This is best discussed in the franken-l list, but since it's here ... Hege does not seem to be a given name. Yet, it may well have come from a relative either as a surname or given name. You would have to find other relations to figure this out. Von Theinfeld could either be a real last name or simply the place where she came from: Theinfeld near Bad Kissingen in Franconia. My suspicion is that she was a Hege from Theinfeld but you need to check the actual churchbooks to get some verification of that. Never assume. Fred fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/22 16:15:14
From: JVHeyse <JVHeyse(a)aol.com>
Theinfeld is a tiny village about a mile west of Oberlauringen. That's where the lady was from. Theinfeld is under the jurisdiction of the village of Thundorf. The lady's name is Hege. John V. Heyse
Date: 2000/05/22 16:58:21
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
I would suggest you make contact with others who seem to be researching your
same line. One (if it was not you, yourself) appears to have caused the
appearance of the names of your maternal great grandparents (the VATTHAUERs)
to show up in the International Genealogical Index. You can reasearch that
index at http://www.familysearch.org/ (type in christian vatthauer in the
"first name" and "last name" fields and louise reimer in the "spouse name"
and "last name" fields). If that is not helpful, have you tried to locate
his "declaration of intention" document (not the "naturalization papers"
that resulted from the declaration, but the declaration itself)? Though in
large towns like St. Louis the town of origin often is not mentioned in the
declaration, sometimes it is (as with less-populated areas where the
declaration most often does mention the town of origin). Good luck.
Steve.
FamilySearchR International Genealogical IndexT v4.01
IGI Record
Christian VATTHAUER
Sex: M
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Louise REIMER
Marriage: Abt. 1858, Germany
Source Information:
Film Number: 1985402
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From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
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Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 9:34 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: (no subject)
I am a new subscriber to the list and have been reading the latest
posts...not sure I'm on the right list, but let me tell you my situation.
My grandfather, Henry Bernard Kerkmann married my grandmother, Marie
Fathauer
in St. Louis in 1891. She was from Preuss Strohem Amt Rahden, Germany,
the
daughter of Christian Vatthauer of Westphalia and Louise Reimer "of
Germany."
I have checked all the available records in St. Louis and have not been able
to establish where in Germany my grandfather came from. I am making an
assumption that he is from the same general area that my grandmother was
from, but of course, that is just an assumption - but a place to start.
In the 1900 Census of St. Louis, Missouri, Henry is listed with wife Mary
and
children Henry, Lulu, and Elsa. Also two boarders, George Jahrains (sp ?)
and Henry Dickmann. Henry Kerkmann gives his age as 38, born 1861 in
Germany. He says he is naturalized and came to the U.S. in 1889.
Occupation
Stairbuilder. He can read, write and speak English.
There's a family story that Henry B. Kerkmann left a Catholic family of a
wife and children in Germany and came to America. I have no verification
of this story.
I have exhausted the resources in St. Louis. Any suggestions?
(Now, if I'm on the wrong list or am asking stupid questions, please forgive
and be gentle and don't "flame me." Just point me in the right direction,
please.)
Thanks. G.Gates
Date: 2000/05/22 21:52:40
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Spieka is a part of Nordholz near Bremerhaven. The phone directory shows this addresses and phone#: Steffens, B. u. Berthien H. (04741) 60048 27637 Steffens, D. (04741) 980342 27637 Steffens, Elfriede (04741) 7158 Scharnstedter Weg 19 27637 Nordholz Steffens, H. (04741) 180080 27637 Steffens, Heike u. Thomas (04741) 7248 27637 Steffens, Niklas, Sarah u. Ann-Katrin (04741) 980019 2763. Nordholz b Bremerhaven* Steffens, Sabine (04741) 3542 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Sabine (0172) 4257251 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Wilfried (04741) 1210 Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz > Hello, > We need your help in finding more information about a family ancestor from > Germany. We are looking for information on Frederick Steffens. From his > US naturalization papers, we find he traveled from Bremen, Germany to New > Orleans, Louisiana, USA in June 1852. We believe he was born in the > village of Spieka, near Dorum, Cappell and Norholz, a little north of > Bremerhaven on May 10, 1833. > The family story is that he was traveling in a party of four -- with his > mother, father and a young lady. The young lady may have been known as > Catharina > Margareta Rebecca Schubart or Catharina Margareta Rebecca Steffens (born > in 1826). We don't know at what point Frederick married Catharina. They > could have married while in Germany, aboard ship or after they reached > America. Our understanding, again from this old family story, is that the > influenza broke out on the ship and Frederick's parents died while on > board before the end of the trip. Frederick and Catharina went onto > settle in the Illinois area. > At this point our knowledge, looking back further in time stops. We have > no knowledge of Frederick's parents' name and are looking for some help > with this. We believe that Catharina came to live with the Steffens' as > an orphan, when she was a young girl and stayed on, eventually marrying > Frederick, an only child. > Any help is appreciated -- birth records, marriage records, or contact > with possible relatives that are still in the Spieka area. > We hope we have selected the proper subscription list for researching in > the region between Cuxhaven and Bremerhaven. If not please let us know and > we'll move on. > Thank you for your time and interest in our quest. > Kindest regards, > Doug and Darlene Steffens > Renton, Washngton, USA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/22 22:06:48
From: DSteff4246 <DSteff4246(a)aol.com>
Werner, Thank you very much for the nice list of addresses and phone numbers. Is it acceptable to write these people to see if they have information about our ancestors? I would not like to offend anyone. Thanks again. Best Regards, Darlene Steffens
Date: 2000/05/22 22:11:18
From: Eldridge Smith <gochiefs1(a)Prodigy.Net>
Hi, excuse me for dropping in on your post but by ANY chance are their any SPIEKER's listed in Spieka? I know it's a long shot but I am desperate. Thanks, Cathy Smith http://gochiefs1(a)prodigy.net (home) http://pages.prodigy.net/gochiefs1 (website) -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:09 AM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Spieka is a part of Nordholz near Bremerhaven. The phone directory shows this addresses and phone#: Steffens, B. u. Berthien H. (04741) 60048 27637 Steffens, D. (04741) 980342 27637 Steffens, Elfriede (04741) 7158 Scharnstedter Weg 19 27637 Nordholz Steffens, H. (04741) 180080 27637 Steffens, Heike u. Thomas (04741) 7248 27637 Steffens, Niklas, Sarah u. Ann-Katrin (04741) 980019 2763. Nordholz b Bremerhaven* Steffens, Sabine (04741) 3542 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Sabine (0172) 4257251 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Wilfried (04741) 1210 Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz > Hello, > We need your help in finding more information about a family ancestor from > Germany. We are looking for information on Frederick Steffens. From his > US naturalization papers, we find he traveled from Bremen, Germany to New > Orleans, Louisiana, USA in June 1852. We believe he was born in the > village of Spieka, near Dorum, Cappell and Norholz, a little north of > Bremerhaven on May 10, 1833. > The family story is that he was traveling in a party of four -- with his > mother, father and a young lady. The young lady may have been known as > Catharina > Margareta Rebecca Schubart or Catharina Margareta Rebecca Steffens (born > in 1826). We don't know at what point Frederick married Catharina. They > could have married while in Germany, aboard ship or after they reached > America. Our understanding, again from this old family story, is that the > influenza broke out on the ship and Frederick's parents died while on > board before the end of the trip. Frederick and Catharina went onto > settle in the Illinois area. > At this point our knowledge, looking back further in time stops. We have > no knowledge of Frederick's parents' name and are looking for some help > with this. We believe that Catharina came to live with the Steffens' as > an orphan, when she was a young girl and stayed on, eventually marrying > Frederick, an only child. > Any help is appreciated -- birth records, marriage records, or contact > with possible relatives that are still in the Spieka area. > We hope we have selected the proper subscription list for researching in > the region between Cuxhaven and Bremerhaven. If not please let us know and > we'll move on. > Thank you for your time and interest in our quest. > Kindest regards, > Doug and Darlene Steffens > Renton, Washngton, USA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/22 23:08:43
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
Go to: http://www.teldir.com/tdred/eng/128017 and type in speiker in the "last name (required)" field and you'll find over 250 Speikers (none in Speika, however). Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Eldridge Smith Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 4:22 PM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: RE: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Hi, excuse me for dropping in on your post but by ANY chance are their any SPIEKER's listed in Spieka? I know it's a long shot but I am desperate. Thanks, Cathy Smith http://gochiefs1(a)prodigy.net (home) http://pages.prodigy.net/gochiefs1 (website) -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:09 AM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Spieka is a part of Nordholz near Bremerhaven. The phone directory shows this addresses and phone#: Steffens, B. u. Berthien H. (04741) 60048 27637 Steffens, D. (04741) 980342 27637 Steffens, Elfriede (04741) 7158 Scharnstedter Weg 19 27637 Nordholz Steffens, H. (04741) 180080 27637 Steffens, Heike u. Thomas (04741) 7248 27637 Steffens, Niklas, Sarah u. Ann-Katrin (04741) 980019 2763. Nordholz b Bremerhaven* Steffens, Sabine (04741) 3542 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Sabine (0172) 4257251 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Wilfried (04741) 1210 Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz > Hello, > We need your help in finding more information about a family ancestor from > Germany. We are looking for information on Frederick Steffens. From his > US naturalization papers, we find he traveled from Bremen, Germany to New > Orleans, Louisiana, USA in June 1852. We believe he was born in the > village of Spieka, near Dorum, Cappell and Norholz, a little north of > Bremerhaven on May 10, 1833. > The family story is that he was traveling in a party of four -- with his > mother, father and a young lady. The young lady may have been known as > Catharina > Margareta Rebecca Schubart or Catharina Margareta Rebecca Steffens (born > in 1826). We don't know at what point Frederick married Catharina. They > could have married while in Germany, aboard ship or after they reached > America. Our understanding, again from this old family story, is that the > influenza broke out on the ship and Frederick's parents died while on > board before the end of the trip. Frederick and Catharina went onto > settle in the Illinois area. > At this point our knowledge, looking back further in time stops. We have > no knowledge of Frederick's parents' name and are looking for some help > with this. We believe that Catharina came to live with the Steffens' as > an orphan, when she was a young girl and stayed on, eventually marrying > Frederick, an only child. > Any help is appreciated -- birth records, marriage records, or contact > with possible relatives that are still in the Spieka area. > We hope we have selected the proper subscription list for researching in > the region between Cuxhaven and Bremerhaven. If not please let us know and > we'll move on. > Thank you for your time and interest in our quest. > Kindest regards, > Doug and Darlene Steffens > Renton, Washngton, USA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/23 01:09:21
From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com>
I meant to spell it "spieker" in my post and mistyped it as "speiker." Sorry if this was confusing. See also, if it's helpful, the following site: http://209.140.72.162/surnames_SP46.html Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Stephen Kent Ehat Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 2:09 PM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: RE: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Go to: http://www.teldir.com/tdred/eng/128017 and type in speiker in the "last name (required)" field and you'll find over 250 Speikers (none in Speika, however). Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Eldridge Smith Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 4:22 PM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: RE: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Hi, excuse me for dropping in on your post but by ANY chance are their any SPIEKER's listed in Spieka? I know it's a long shot but I am desperate. Thanks, Cathy Smith http://gochiefs1(a)prodigy.net (home) http://pages.prodigy.net/gochiefs1 (website) -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:09 AM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Spieka is a part of Nordholz near Bremerhaven. The phone directory shows this addresses and phone#: Steffens, B. u. Berthien H. (04741) 60048 27637 Steffens, D. (04741) 980342 27637 Steffens, Elfriede (04741) 7158 Scharnstedter Weg 19 27637 Nordholz Steffens, H. (04741) 180080 27637 Steffens, Heike u. Thomas (04741) 7248 27637 Steffens, Niklas, Sarah u. Ann-Katrin (04741) 980019 2763. Nordholz b Bremerhaven* Steffens, Sabine (04741) 3542 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Sabine (0172) 4257251 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Wilfried (04741) 1210 Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz > Hello, > We need your help in finding more information about a family ancestor from > Germany. We are looking for information on Frederick Steffens. From his > US naturalization papers, we find he traveled from Bremen, Germany to New > Orleans, Louisiana, USA in June 1852. We believe he was born in the > village of Spieka, near Dorum, Cappell and Norholz, a little north of > Bremerhaven on May 10, 1833. > The family story is that he was traveling in a party of four -- with his > mother, father and a young lady. The young lady may have been known as > Catharina > Margareta Rebecca Schubart or Catharina Margareta Rebecca Steffens (born > in 1826). We don't know at what point Frederick married Catharina. They > could have married while in Germany, aboard ship or after they reached > America. Our understanding, again from this old family story, is that the > influenza broke out on the ship and Frederick's parents died while on > board before the end of the trip. Frederick and Catharina went onto > settle in the Illinois area. > At this point our knowledge, looking back further in time stops. We have > no knowledge of Frederick's parents' name and are looking for some help > with this. We believe that Catharina came to live with the Steffens' as > an orphan, when she was a young girl and stayed on, eventually marrying > Frederick, an only child. > Any help is appreciated -- birth records, marriage records, or contact > with possible relatives that are still in the Spieka area. > We hope we have selected the proper subscription list for researching in > the region between Cuxhaven and Bremerhaven. If not please let us know and > we'll move on. > Thank you for your time and interest in our quest. > Kindest regards, > Doug and Darlene Steffens > Renton, Washngton, USA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/23 06:07:49
From: CATHY SMITH <Gochiefs1(a)Prodigy.Net>
No matter HOW you wrote it,Steve, I appreciate your help. You're a doll for helping a stranger. Cathy ---------- From: Stephen Kent Ehat <ske(a)bnelaw.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: RE: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:55 PM I meant to spell it "spieker" in my post and mistyped it as "speiker." Sorry if this was confusing. See also, if it's helpful, the following site: http://209.140.72.162/surnames_SP46.html Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Stephen Kent Ehat Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 2:09 PM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: RE: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Go to: http://www.teldir.com/tdred/eng/128017 and type in speiker in the "last name (required)" field and you'll find over 250 Speikers (none in Speika, however). Steve. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Eldridge Smith Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 4:22 PM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: RE: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Hi, excuse me for dropping in on your post but by ANY chance are their any SPIEKER's listed in Spieka? I know it's a long shot but I am desperate. Thanks, Cathy Smith http://gochiefs1(a)prodigy.net (home) http://pages.prodigy.net/gochiefs1 (website) -----Original Message----- From: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 10:09 AM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: Steffens ancestors from Spieka Spieka is a part of Nordholz near Bremerhaven. The phone directory shows this addresses and phone#: Steffens, B. u. Berthien H. (04741) 60048 27637 Steffens, D. (04741) 980342 27637 Steffens, Elfriede (04741) 7158 Scharnstedter Weg 19 27637 Nordholz Steffens, H. (04741) 180080 27637 Steffens, Heike u. Thomas (04741) 7248 27637 Steffens, Niklas, Sarah u. Ann-Katrin (04741) 980019 2763. Nordholz b Bremerhaven* Steffens, Sabine (04741) 3542 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Sabine (0172) 4257251 Spieka Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz Steffens, Wilfried (04741) 1210 Oberknill 26 27637 Nordholz > Hello, > We need your help in finding more information about a family ancestor from > Germany. We are looking for information on Frederick Steffens. From his > US naturalization papers, we find he traveled from Bremen, Germany to New > Orleans, Louisiana, USA in June 1852. We believe he was born in the > village of Spieka, near Dorum, Cappell and Norholz, a little north of > Bremerhaven on May 10, 1833. > The family story is that he was traveling in a party of four -- with his > mother, father and a young lady. The young lady may have been known as > Catharina > Margareta Rebecca Schubart or Catharina Margareta Rebecca Steffens (born > in 1826). We don't know at what point Frederick married Catharina. They > could have married while in Germany, aboard ship or after they reached > America. Our understanding, again from this old family story, is that the > influenza broke out on the ship and Frederick's parents died while on > board before the end of the trip. Frederick and Catharina went onto > settle in the Illinois area. > At this point our knowledge, looking back further in time stops. We have > no knowledge of Frederick's parents' name and are looking for some help > with this. We believe that Catharina came to live with the Steffens' as > an orphan, when she was a young girl and stayed on, eventually marrying > Frederick, an only child. > Any help is appreciated -- birth records, marriage records, or contact > with possible relatives that are still in the Spieka area. > We hope we have selected the proper subscription list for researching in > the region between Cuxhaven and Bremerhaven. If not please let us know and > we'll move on. > Thank you for your time and interest in our quest. > Kindest regards, > Doug and Darlene Steffens > Renton, Washngton, USA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp |eMail-Adr: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B |Homepage: www.honkomp-oldenburg.de 26121 Oldenburg |Genealogie:www.honkomp.de Germany | -----------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2000/05/23 13:04:17
From: Pi-que <Pi-que(a)swbell.net>
Thanks for the reply Fred. I never stopped to think that "von" was German for "from". It makes sense now that I re-read the information; HEGE "from" von Theinfield. Thanks again for the clear up. Park Wolfgang Fred Rump wrote: > On 22 May 2000, at 7:25, Pi-que(a)swbell.net wrote: > > > Good morning Werner. > > I have traced to my ggggrandmother to the location of Oberlauringen, > > Unterfranken, Bayren, Germany. I am having trouble with her > > surname(s) as listed on the rolls of the Oberlauringen Lutheran > > marriage archives. Married to Johannas George Zirkelbach, she is > > listed as Anna Sophia HEGE von THEINFELD. Born to them in 1805 was > > Johann William Zirkelbach. > > Which of the following would be her maiden name? HEGE, Von THEINFELD, > > or just THEINFELD, and how may I research it? I have located the name > > HEGE, with no apparant connection at this point, but the secondary > > name Theinfeld has me puzzled. > > This is best discussed in the franken-l list, but since it's here ... > > Hege does not seem to be a given name. Yet, it may well have > come from a relative either as a surname or given name. You would > have to find other relations to figure this out. Von Theinfeld could > either be a real last name or simply the place where she came > from: Theinfeld near Bad Kissingen in Franconia. My suspicion is > that she was a Hege from Theinfeld but you need to check the > actual churchbooks to get some verification of that. Never assume. > > Fred > > > > fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/23 13:07:34
From: Pi-que <Pi-que(a)swbell.net>
Thanks John for the help. As I wrote Fred, I didn't consider that the von could have meant "from", while reading the document: Sophia HEGE von Theinfeld. Thanks again. Park Kaestner JVHeyse(a)aol.com wrote: > Theinfeld is a tiny village about a mile west of Oberlauringen. That's where > the lady was from. Theinfeld is under the jurisdiction of the village of > Thundorf. The lady's name is Hege. > > John V. Heyse
Date: 2000/05/29 18:05:04
From: Geraldine Miller <gmiller(a)ktis.net>
Searching for these names in Germany KIEL Wilhelm Carl = born 1833 Germany, brother Heinrich Friedrich, mother Henrietta, came to America from Osnabrück Hannover abt. 1849. KÖNIG Wilhelm Jacob = born 1861 Mehringen Ger. came to America 1880, parents Wilhelm & Christiane (BENDER) KÖNIG. KUHLOW Bertha = born 1867 Ger., sister Carolina, came to America 1882, parents Carl/Charles & Carolena (GROSCHOPF) KUHLOW. Thanks. Geraldine in MO
Date: 2000/05/29 22:52:39
From: Jim Webb <webbkerr(a)ktc.com>
My third great grandfather was Dennis Springer and he was born in 1832. We suspect that either he was born in Krannenburg, Hannover or his parents were born in Krannenburg, Hannover. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Jim Webb Kerrville TX 78028 webbkerr(a)ktc.com http://jimwebb.rootsweb.com/
Date: 2000/05/30 01:34:49
From: Rod's Account <rodfleck(a)olypen.com>
I am looking for information on the William NUENEMANN, son of Franz NUENEMANN. William immigrated from "Hannover" in 1852. He was a shoemaker here in America and lived the remainder of life (+1907) in Philadelphia. He lived at 936 Ridge Avenue in Philadelphia. He was buried on 29 August 1907 in the Westminster Cemetery. He had three wives: Catharine; Susanna; and Anna Maria SCHMIDT. All marriages and the subsequent births of his nine children took place in Philadelphia. I would appreciate any help in trying to determine where in "Hannover" he came from? Rod Fleck Sent from Forks, Washington
Date: 2000/05/30 02:30:39
From: Rachael Hartman <rachael4(a)nacs.net>
I am searching for information on the families of Martin Bockelmann, from Ahlerstedt, and Catherine Margarethe Hauschild, from Wiersdorf. They were married in 1826 in Ahlerstedt and had the following children: Maria, born in 1827; Martin, born in 1828; Anna Margarethe, born in 1830; Claus, born in 1833; Hinrich, born in 1838; and Johann, born in 1841. When my great-great grandfather, Claus, emigrated to the U.S., he brought with him a picture of their home in Ahlerstedt. It appears to be a hotel. Can anyone help me with this family? Thanks! Rachael rachael4(a)nacs.net
Date: 2000/05/30 19:32:44
From: Errol/Mary Sandler <eesand(a)email.msn.com>
Can anyone on the list recommend a researcher for the Osnabruck Archives, perhaps someone you have used? Thanks very much, Mary Koelzer
Date: 2000/05/30 19:43:39
From: Jacqueline Johnston <johnston(a)tnweb.com>
I am looking for the parents and or siblings of Heinrich LUENING or LUNING (with the umlant over u). His last home of residence is Bothel in Hannover. He arrived in the United States on 14 November 1864 in New York. He was born on 10 December 1840 or maybe 1842. He traveled in steerage and he was on the ship "Dorette" and departed from the port in Bremen. Any information on him and his family will be appreciated. Spelling of names will vary. Thanks in advance. Jackie
Date: 2000/05/30 19:56:48
From: CATHY SMITH <Gochiefs1(a)Prodigy.Net>
Mary, Please let me know if you get a response. Thank you, Cathy Smith gochiefs1(a)prodigy.net -----Original Message----- From: Errol/Mary Sandler <eesand(a)email.msn.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 1:47 PM Subject: researcher needed for Osnabruck Archives >Can anyone on the list recommend a researcher for the Osnabruck Archives, >perhaps someone you have used? > >Thanks very much, >Mary Koelzer > > >
Date: 2000/05/30 20:37:58
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
On 30 May 2000, at 13:58, CATHY SMITH wrote: > Mary, > Please let me know if you get a response. > Thank you, > Cathy Smith > gochiefs1(a)prodigy.net > > >Can anyone on the list recommend a researcher for the Osnabruck > >Archives, perhaps someone you have used? > > > >Thanks very much, > >Mary Koelzer Jens-Kaufmann(a)t-online.de Sylvia.Moehle(a)t-online.de Both are list members Fred fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/31 04:04:08
From: Genealogy <roots.mail(a)myrealbox.com>
John Christopher (or Christopher John) MEYER emigrated to the US in 1837 and was from Hagen by Osnabrueck. Am seeking any connections to same or info on where next to look for him. The earliest record I have so far is the passenger list of the ship on which he came to the US in 1837. I have fairly full information on him from the point that he landed in the US until his death, but nothing earlier than when he reached the US. Upon arrival in the US he set out for Missouri, but spent only a couple of weeks in St. Louis before moving on to Quincy, Illinois where he settled for life. Thank you.
Date: 2000/05/31 06:04:43
From: Ellen Hennessy <eshenn(a)pacbell.net>
Hello, I have a copy of an article which appeared in "The Palatine Immigrant" December, 1994 - Emigrants from the Parish of Hagen from the Church Record Books (Catholic) - by Alexander Himmermann, Georgsmarienhütte, Germany. Joh. Christoph Heinr. Meyer appears in the article with the following information: Birth date: 17.5.1808 Parents: Meyer, Johann Heinrich Abkemeyer, Maria Gert. Heu Emigration date: 14.5.1837 Hope this helps, Ellen Hennessy Genealogy wrote: > > John Christopher (or Christopher John) MEYER emigrated to the US in > 1837 and was from Hagen by Osnabrueck. Am seeking any connections to > same or info on where next to look for him. The earliest record I have > so far is the passenger list of the ship on which he came to the US in > 1837. > > I have fairly full information on him from the point that he landed in > the US until his death, but nothing earlier than when he reached the > US. Upon arrival in the US he set out for Missouri, but spent only a > couple of weeks in St. Louis before moving on to Quincy, Illinois where > he settled for life. > > Thank you.
Date: 2000/05/31 07:23:03
From: Genealogy <roots.mail(a)myrealbox.com>
Ellen: Thank you so very much for looking that up. I don't think the Palatinate area contained the Hagen that is by Osnabrueck, though....there are several Hagens in Germany. I'm afraid I don't know enough about the various districts at the time to know for sure, though... The birthdate is off by several years - my John Christopher was born January 3, 1803, and the birthdate I have was provided by both his wife and his son, separately. His age according to the passenger list matches with the birthdate I have, also. Oddly, though, the emigration date is almost identical - my John Christopher Meyer's vessel sailed on May 15, 1837 from Bremen, and he was Roman Catholic. Now I don't know what to think!<G> Susan
Date: 2000/05/31 08:03:11
From: Unknown <Unknown(a)>
Ellen: I forgot to ask whether or not you know whether the Hagen referenced in the listing you gave is the one that is outside of Osnabrueck? Susan ------- End of forwarded message ------- fred(a)compu.com
Date: 2000/05/31 15:12:56
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
<I don't think the Palatinate area contained the Hagen that is by Osnabrueck> one of the biggest misconceptions in genealogy! Palatines to America, or Pal-Am does NOT restrict their publications to the Palatinate! Pal-Am is for anyone searching German-speaking ancestors, anywhere! So, don't let that throw you! JimA
Date: 2000/05/31 15:40:51
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>
Hi Jackie, I don't see this name too often so I thought I'd share what I've got. My LUENING / LUNING family came from Damme/Oldenburg to Cincinnati in 1846 and 1847. I have done a fair amount of research on this family in the Damme church records, but I don't have any connection to Bothel/Hannover. Have you checked the Bothel church records yet? If they were microfilmed they should be available for rent at your nearest LDS Family History Center. Please look at my LUENING webpage to see if there are any connections: http://members.aol.com/Bkercher/Damme-Luening.htm Good Luck, Bryan Kercher In a message dated 5/30/2000 12:44:35 PM Central Daylight Time, johnston(a)tnweb.com writes: > I am looking for the parents and or siblings of Heinrich LUENING or > LUNING (with the umlant over u). His last home of residence is Bothel in > Hannover. He arrived in the United States on 14 November 1864 in New > York. He was born on 10 December 1840 or maybe 1842. He traveled in > steerage and he was on the ship "Dorette" and departed from the port in > Bremen. > > Any information on him and his family will be appreciated. Spelling of > names will vary. Thanks in advance. > > Jackie >
Date: 2000/05/31 17:59:45
From: Wolfgang Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
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