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Re: krull

Date: 1999/07/01 01:35:15
From: gordon gehrig <alamo94(a)execpc.com>

Hi Cheryl
 I am also researching the Krull family,part of my wifes family-we have the
following
Johann Christian Krull born12/8/1835in gressow-meklenberg-scherin germany  died
8/13/1903 in center twspp Wisconsin.
 He married a Elizabeth Gropengeiser date unk,she was born 8/28/1839 same town and
died 3/18/1918 in center twsp Wisconsin
 They had one known daughter  Julia Marie Krull born 8/21/1866 in Wauwatosa
wisconsin and she died 8/27/1935 in Appleton Wisconsin-her husband was one Henrich
Johann Junge.
could there be a match-interesting
gordon gehrig alamo94(a)execpc.com

Cheryl.Kraft(a)co.hennepin.mn.us wrote:

> I am trying to find the parents of Enno Krull born September 3, 1874, in
> Larrelt, Hannover, Germany and died in Rochester, MN  Dec 3, 1938.  He married
> Ella Konken on Feb, 27, 1901.  Ella was born July, 09, 1877 in Marienhafe,
> Germany.   He emigrated to the US somewhere between 1880 to 1884 with his half
> brothers Karl, Johann, and borther John.
>
> Any help on trying to locate his parents would be helpful.




Re: krull

Date: 1999/07/01 15:42:56
From: Cheryl . Kraft <Cheryl.Kraft(a)co.hennepin.mn.us>


I don't know if they are related, but I Johann Junge name sound familiar to me
as well as Julia Marie.  I will check some records I have and get back to you.
Thanks for responding, you are the first person I have heard from.



BOCKMANN from Bremervorde

Date: 1999/07/01 16:36:55
From: Susan Mattern <Mattern(a)compuserve.com>

I am looking for information on my Lutheran great grandfather Hinrick
BOCKMANN from Bremervorde, Germany.  He married Gesche PINGEL from
 Bremervorde probably around 1860.  He was a farmer who had 10 children.
 The youngest child was my grandmother, Julie BOCKMANN who emmigrated to
 the USA around 1905.  She was born on 13 June, 1884 in Bremervorde.  It
 is possible that his full name was Johann Hinrick BOCKMANN.  I would
 like to find out more about his parents and the names of the other 9
 children. Perhaps there are descendants still living in the Bremervorde
area?? 
 The Family History Library Catalog only lists church
 microfilm from Bremervorde that is earlier than 1852.  Are there any
 available records for the 1860's to 1880's?  I have tried the IGI and
 AF, also.  Any ideas or help is appreciated!
 
 Susan Mattern
 mattern(a)compuserve.com

Wille

Date: 1999/07/01 20:54:33
From: Wantmore56 <Wantmore56(a)aol.com>

I am interested in finding information about Henry Wille, born 25 Feb. 1841, 
to Caroline Wille from Hanover, Germany.  I know he was in the Civil War but 
nothing before that.  Anything you could get for me would help.

Wayne Wille

Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/01 21:55:37
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

The Tenfelde book shows 7 emigrants Wille from the former county Lingen (old 
Kindom of Hannover). Most are born in the town Lingen. But not a Henry, Heinrich 
or like this.
Werner
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Wantmore56(a)aol.com schrieb:
> I am interested in finding information about Henry Wille, born 25 Feb. 1841, 
> to Caroline Wille from Hanover, Germany.  I know he was in the Civil War but 
> nothing before that.  Anything you could get for me would help.
>
> Wayne Wille

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Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/01 22:11:49
From: Cheryl . Kraft <Cheryl.Kraft(a)co.hennepin.mn.us>


Does the Tenfelde book show any emigrants by the name of Krull, specifically,
Karl, Enno, Johann, or John who supposely came from Larrelt, Hannover Germany?







Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de (Werner Honkomp) on 07/01/99 02:55:26 PM

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The Tenfelde book shows 7 emigrants Wille from the former county Lingen (old
Kindom of Hannover). Most are born in the town Lingen. But not a Henry, Heinrich
or like this.
Werner
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Wantmore56(a)aol.com schrieb:
> I am interested in finding information about Henry Wille, born 25 Feb. 1841,
> to Caroline Wille from Hanover, Germany.  I know he was in the Civil War but
> nothing before that.  Anything you could get for me would help.
>
> Wayne Wille

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[Fwd: Conrad Harmes(Harms)]

Date: 1999/07/01 22:58:37
From: Dorothy J. Gard <garddj(a)lancnews.infi.net>

--- Begin Message ---
Does the Tenfelde book show any emigrants by the name of Harmes,
especially Conrad? He is supposed to have come to the USA from
Altenmarhorst, Twistringen, Hannover before 1852.

Dot from PA




--- End Message ---

Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/01 23:28:43
From: John De Kleine <johndek(a)pacbell.net>

I am new to this list and a question arose.......
Is the town of Voltlage, in the county of Lingen, in
the old Kingdom of Hannover?

If this is true, it would solve a mystery of one of my
earliest ancestors who was born in Lingen (everybody
assumed Lingen was a town).

Also does the Tenfelde book have any Kleine's in it?
1764 and earlier?

Thanks in advance for the info.

John De Kleine..................http://www.geocities.com/heartland/9703/

Paradise, CA 95969.........johndek(a)pacbell.net
(530) 877-3249................Researching: (de) Kleine & Muris
     Be careful of half-truths - you may have the wrong half.



Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/02 00:55:25
From: Lori Mitchell <sojourner(a)erols.com>

Have you tried getting his Civil War records?  I got most of my information
about my Kligge ancestors from the pension records of William Kligge and Charles
Kligge.  I got these records (via a genealogist in Virginia) from the Library of
Congress.

Lori

Wantmore56(a)aol.com wrote:

> I am interested in finding information about Henry Wille, born 25 Feb. 1841,
> to Caroline Wille from Hanover, Germany.  I know he was in the Civil War but
> nothing before that.  Anything you could get for me would help.
>
> Wayne Wille




Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/02 02:09:14
From: LTBoehmke <LTBoehmke(a)aol.com>

All Civil War records are held by the national Archives in Washington, DC

Try www.nara.gov

I too found an ancestor's birthplace from his brother's civil War record.

Happy hunting, 

LaVerne

Re: krull

Date: 1999/07/02 02:36:37
From: gordon gehrig <alamo94(a)execpc.com>

Hi cheryl
 The Krull is on wife's side-her maiden name was RUPRECHT-she said your name
sounded familiar.
 We live in milwaukee Wi,-I had an aunt that lived in Hennipen Co-died in 1955,was
almost 100
  It would be nice if there was a match,have not found any relatives on line yet.
gordon

Cheryl.Kraft(a)co.hennepin.mn.us wrote:

> I don't know if they are related, but I Johann Junge name sound familiar to me
> as well as Julia Marie.  I will check some records I have and get back to you.
> Thanks for responding, you are the first person I have heard from.




Re: krull

Date: 1999/07/02 02:51:23
From: gordon gehrig <alamo94(a)execpc.com>

Hi Cheryl
 glad to answer-always looking for relatives or others researching the same
names.The Krull's are on my wife's side-Her maiden name is RUPPRECT,HER gmother
was a Junge.
 we live in Milwaukee Wi so we are not that far from Mn.I had a great aunt who
died in Hennepin co in 1955-would be very interesting if there is a match-have
found a few cousins on the net
gordon



Cheryl.Kraft(a)co.hennepin.mn.us wrote:

> I don't know if they are related, but I Johann Junge name sound familiar to me
> as well as Julia Marie.  I will check some records I have and get back to you.
> Thanks for responding, you are the first person I have heard from.




Dauel family

Date: 1999/07/02 05:55:17
From: susan olson <sjo(a)execpc.com>

Does the Tenfelde book mention the family name Dauel, from the Wenden area?

Susan Olson




Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/02 12:55:59
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

Werner,

I notice that you refer to a book of emigrants from the "Kingdom of
Hannover".  If it covers the timeframe about 1830 I would appreciate if you
can tell me if a listing for Henry WENZEL b: 1805, wife Wilhelmina PAPE b:
ca 1805, son Frederick b: ca 1827 and daughter Doris/Doretta b:ca 1829 are
listed.  I am trying to pin down their place of birth or where they
emigrated from so I know where to start my search in the German records.

Thanks for your consideration.

Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD

----------
> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Wille
> Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 12:55 PM
> 
> The Tenfelde book shows 7 emigrants Wille from the former county Lingen
(old 
> Kindom of Hannover). Most are born in the town Lingen. But not a Henry,
Heinrich 
> or like this.
> Werner
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Wantmore56(a)aol.com schrieb:
> > I am interested in finding information about Henry Wille, born 25 Feb.
1841, 
> > to Caroline Wille from Hanover, Germany.  I know he was in the Civil
War but 
> > nothing before that.  Anything you could get for me would help.
> >
> > Wayne Wille
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/
> 
> 

NY Herald

Date: 1999/07/02 13:48:26
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

Does anyone know where copies/microfilm of the "New York Herald" from
1856-1863 might reside?  I'm trying to locate a repository and get some
photocopies.  Any information would be appreciated.




Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD


Re: NY Herald

Date: 1999/07/02 15:02:32
From: James Maxeiner <maxeiner(a)worldnet.att.net>

The New York State Library at Albany has the following:

New York herald (New York, N.Y. : 1840)
OCLC: #09467138
Published: 1840-1920
Frequency: Daily
Microfilm: s={1840:9:20-1919:12}
Call number: NY 01 New York 93-31979

The library's site. http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/,
 also lists other locations where you might find it and oother newspapers.

Regards,

James Maxeiner

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>
To: Hannover Mail List <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 10:46 AM
Subject: NY Herald


> Does anyone know where copies/microfilm of the "New York Herald" from
> 1856-1863 might reside?  I'm trying to locate a repository and get some
> photocopies.  Any information would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> Frank Wenzel
>
> Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK,
HORLDIN,
> MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD
>


Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/02 15:30:30
From: hmulford <hmulford(a)eos.net>

I would be interested in information on an August WENZEL, b. 1866, Hannover.
--Mary Ann Kettler Mulford

Frank Wenzel wrote:

> Werner,
>
> I notice that you refer to a book of emigrants from the "Kingdom of
> Hannover".  If it covers the timeframe about 1830 I would appreciate if you
> can tell me if a listing for Henry WENZEL b: 1805, wife Wilhelmina PAPE b:
> ca 1805, son Frederick b: ca 1827 and daughter Doris/Doretta b:ca 1829 are
> listed.  I am trying to pin down their place of birth or where they
> emigrated from so I know where to start my search in the German records.
>
> Thanks for your consideration.
>
> Frank Wenzel
>
> Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
> MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD
>
> ----------
> > From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > Subject: Re: Wille
> > Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 12:55 PM
> >
> > The Tenfelde book shows 7 emigrants Wille from the former county Lingen
> (old
> > Kindom of Hannover). Most are born in the town Lingen. But not a Henry,
> Heinrich
> > or like this.
> > Werner
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > Wantmore56(a)aol.com schrieb:
> > > I am interested in finding information about Henry Wille, born 25 Feb.
> 1841,
> > > to Caroline Wille from Hanover, Germany.  I know he was in the Civil
> War but
> > > nothing before that.  Anything you could get for me would help.
> > >
> > > Wayne Wille
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> > Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> > D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/
> >
> >




homfeld

Date: 1999/07/02 16:34:30
From: jhomfeld(a)earthlink.net <jhomfeld(a)earthlink.net>

I would be interested in in Dirk Abraham Homfeld left abt 1878 from the
Kingdom of Hanover.
thanks Jena Washington St.


Re: Krull

Date: 1999/07/02 22:12:06
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Cheryl.Kraft(a)co.hennepin.mn.us schrieb:
>
>
> Does the Tenfelde book show any emigrants by the name of Krull, specifically,
> Karl, Enno, Johann, or John who supposely came from Larrelt, Hannover Germany?
>
>
Larrelt is a part of Emden Ostfriesland, about 130 km northerly from Lingen.
But the Tenfelde books shows one Krull:

Krull Johann Gerhard, *19.May 1865 in Holthausen, Kirchspiel Lingen, Zimmermann 
(Carpenter), emigrated 1889 to Cincinnati.
Parents: Heuermann Hermann Heinrich Krull und Maria Adelheid Kley
Source: Kirchenbuch Lingen

Werner
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Re: [Fwd: Conrad Harmes(Harms)]

Date: 1999/07/02 22:12:06
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Dorothy J. Gard schrieb:

> Does the Tenfelde book show any emigrants by the name of Harmes,
> especially Conrad? He is supposed to have come to the USA from
> Altenmarhorst, Twistringen, Hannover before 1852.
>
> Dot from PA
>
I'm sorry, the Tenfelde book shows not any Harmes or like this.
Altenmarhorst, Twistringen is located in county Diepholz, about 150 km easterly 
from county Lingen.

Werner

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Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/02 22:12:07
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

John De Kleine schrieb:
> I am new to this list and a question arose.......
> Is the town of Voltlage, in the county of Lingen, in
> the old Kingdom of Hannover?
>
> If this is true, it would solve a mystery of one of my
> earliest ancestors who was born in Lingen (everybody
> assumed Lingen was a town).
>
> Also does the Tenfelde book have any Kleine's in it?
> 1764 and earlier?
>
Voltlage is located in northern of county Osnabrück.
10 km south from Fürstenau, not far from the boarder to county Lingen.
The Tenfelde book shows one Kleine:
Kleine Christian Friedrich Theodor, *9.Oct.1850 in Eystrup/Hoya county Nienburg, 
emigrated 1867.
Courios, County Nienburg is about 200 km easterly from county Lingen, may be he 
is born in Eystrup and lived in county Lingen. 

Werner
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Re: Dauel family

Date: 1999/07/02 22:12:08
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I'm sorry, the Tenfelde book shows not any Dauel or like this. Wenden is not 
located in county Lingen.

Werner

susan olson schrieb:
> Does the Tenfelde book mention the family name Dauel, from the Wenden area?
>
> Susan Olson
>
>
>

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Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/


Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/02 22:12:08
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Frank Wenzel schrieb:
> I notice that you refer to a book of emigrants from the "Kingdom of
> Hannover".  If it covers the timeframe about 1830 I would appreciate if you
> can tell me if a listing for Henry WENZEL b: 1805, wife Wilhelmina PAPE b:
> ca 1805, son Frederick b: ca 1827 and daughter Doris/Doretta b:ca 1829 are
> listed.  I am trying to pin down their place of birth or where they
> emigrated from so I know where to start my search in the German records.
>
The Tenfelde book covered only the county Lingen, it shows not any Wenzel or 
Pape.

Werner
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Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
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Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/02 22:12:22
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

I'm sorry, I have not any information about Wenzel.

Werner


hmulford(a)eos.net schrieb:
> I would be interested in information on an August WENZEL, b. 1866, Hannover.
> --Mary Ann Kettler Mulford
>
> Frank Wenzel wrote:
>
> > Werner,
> >
> > I notice that you refer to a book of emigrants from the "Kingdom of
> > Hannover".  If it covers the timeframe about 1830 I would appreciate if you
> > can tell me if a listing for Henry WENZEL b: 1805, wife Wilhelmina PAPE b:
> > ca 1805, son Frederick b: ca 1827 and daughter Doris/Doretta b:ca 1829 are
> > listed.  I am trying to pin down their place of birth or where they
> > emigrated from so I know where to start my search in the German records.
> >
> > Thanks for your consideration.
> >
> > Frank Wenzel
> >
> > Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> > COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
> > MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > > Subject: Re: Wille
> > > Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 12:55 PM
> > >
> > > The Tenfelde book shows 7 emigrants Wille from the former county Lingen
> > (old
> > > Kindom of Hannover). Most are born in the town Lingen. But not a Henry,
> > Heinrich
> > > or like this.
> > > Werner
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > Wantmore56(a)aol.com schrieb:
> > > > I am interested in finding information about Henry Wille, born 25 Feb.
> > 1841,
> > > > to Caroline Wille from Hanover, Germany.  I know he was in the Civil
> > War but
> > > > nothing before that.  Anything you could get for me would help.
> > > >
> > > > Wayne Wille
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> > > Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> > > D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

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Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/


Re: NY Herald

Date: 1999/07/02 22:37:55
From: Joan M. Winkelman <bp995(a)freenet.buffalo.edu>

On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Frank Wenzel wrote:

Buffalo, New York local public library has many microfilm rolls of the New
York Times and the New York Daily Tribune.  I do not know about the
Herald.

I used the Times and Trib to pin down the number of days a ship arriving
in NY ports was under sail.  Fills in the information after you locate the
arriving list from the National Archives.

 > Does anyone know where
copies/microfilm of the "New York Herald" from
> 1856-1863 might reside?  I'm trying to locate a repository and get some
> photocopies.  Any information would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Frank Wenzel
> 
> Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
> MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD
> 
> 

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Re: NY Herald

Date: 1999/07/02 23:13:27
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

James,

Thank you for the web address.  I visited the site and they have the films
I need.  Cost is a bit high for photocopies so I'll see if I can find
someone who has access to the Library.

I do appreciate your response and the information.


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD

----------
> From: James Maxeiner <maxeiner(a)worldnet.att.net>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: NY Herald
> Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 6:07 AM
> 
> The New York State Library at Albany has the following:
> 
> New York herald (New York, N.Y. : 1840)
> OCLC: #09467138
> Published: 1840-1920
> Frequency: Daily
> Microfilm: s={1840:9:20-1919:12}
> Call number: NY 01 New York 93-31979
> 
> The library's site. http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/,
>  also lists other locations where you might find it and oother
newspapers.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James Maxeiner
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>
> To: Hannover Mail List <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 10:46 AM
> Subject: NY Herald
> 
> 
> > Does anyone know where copies/microfilm of the "New York Herald" from
> > 1856-1863 might reside?  I'm trying to locate a repository and get some
> > photocopies.  Any information would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Frank Wenzel
> >
> > Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> > COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK,
> HORLDIN,
> > MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE,
WENZEL,WOODWARD
> >
> 
> 

Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/02 23:18:27
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

Werner,

Thanks for the information.  I appreciate your taking the time to look it
up.

Thank you


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD

----------
> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re:  Wenzel
> Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 1:12 PM
> 
> Frank Wenzel schrieb:
> > I notice that you refer to a book of emigrants from the "Kingdom of
> > Hannover".  If it covers the timeframe about 1830 I would appreciate if
you
> > can tell me if a listing for Henry WENZEL b: 1805, wife Wilhelmina PAPE
b:
> > ca 1805, son Frederick b: ca 1827 and daughter Doris/Doretta b:ca 1829
are
> > listed.  I am trying to pin down their place of birth or where they
> > emigrated from so I know where to start my search in the German
records.
> >
> The Tenfelde book covered only the county Lingen, it shows not any Wenzel
or 
> Pape.
> 
> Werner
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/
> 
> 

Re: NY Herald

Date: 1999/07/02 23:18:28
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

Joan,

Thanks for the reply.  I think I've located it at the NY Public Library and
the NYS Library.
I appreciate your responding.


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD

----------
> From: Joan M. Winkelman <bp995(a)freenet.buffalo.edu>
> To: Hannover Mail List <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Subject: Re: NY Herald
> Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 1:37 PM
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Frank Wenzel wrote:
> 
> Buffalo, New York local public library has many microfilm rolls of the
New
> York Times and the New York Daily Tribune.  I do not know about the
> Herald.
> 
> I used the Times and Trib to pin down the number of days a ship arriving
> in NY ports was under sail.  Fills in the information after you locate
the
> arriving list from the National Archives.
> 
>  > Does anyone know where
> copies/microfilm of the "New York Herald" from
> > 1856-1863 might reside?  I'm trying to locate a repository and get some
> > photocopies.  Any information would be appreciated.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Frank Wenzel
> > 
> > Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> > COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK,
HORLDIN,
> > MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE,
WENZEL,WOODWARD
> > 
> > 
> 
> #+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#
> JOAN M WINKELMAN
> HANDWRITING CONSULTANT
> http://wnyweb.com/sites.wny/jwinkelman
> FAMILY TREE CLIMBER
> http://wnyweb.com/sites.wny/familytree
> E-MAIL: bp995(a)freenet.buffalo.edu
> 716-634-4348
> 
> 

Re: Dauel family

Date: 1999/07/03 00:36:27
From: Kathleen (Kitty) Hanna <khanna(a)kearney.net>

Susan
I have 1st cousins named "Dauel".  They live in Nebraska.  If you are
interested please e-mail me at khanna(a)kearney.net

Kitty
----- Original Message -----
From: susan olson <sjo(a)execpc.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 10:55 PM
Subject: Dauel family


> Does the Tenfelde book mention the family name Dauel, from the
Wenden area?
>
> Susan Olson
>
>
>


morganic vs. morganatic

Date: 1999/07/03 00:56:38
From: Stanley A. Wickman <cownabor(a)oeonline.com>

One of our neighbors sent me a note off list suggesting that "morganic"
was the equivalent of "morganatic." It raises a small difficulty that I
addressed in a note of reply also off list. 

Because it occurred to me that on the list are many for whom English is
a second language, it seems worthy to post my reply for all to
contemplate. It follows here. 
  
----------
Thank you, but you put your finger on a small problem in communication, 
especially in a forum where many contributors and readers have English
as a second language. 

My Merriam-Webster's Tenth has no listing for "morganic." Nor does my 
Merriam-Webster's 7th. 

Roget's International Thesaurus, 3rd edition from Crowell, makes no
reference to "morganic." There is no reference to it in Funk & Wagnall's
Encyclopedia. 

Based on the context, it is probably safe to assume that the writer is
trying to convey the idea expressed by the term "morganatic" as it is
defined. If I did not know the word, "morganatic," where would I find
information about "morganic?" 

Stan

Lohmeier

Date: 1999/07/03 05:10:13
From: ClarkScarb <ClarkScarb(a)aol.com>

I'm looking for information on my gggrandfather John Henry Lohmeier born 
August 18, 1831 in Gonigreigh, Hanover and my gggrandmother Sophia Margaretta 
Wilheimia Piening born October 10, 1849 in Gonigreigh.  They immigrated to 
the US sometime before 1884 and settled in Pleasant Dale, Nebraska.  I have 
been unable to locate any information on the town of Gonigreigh.  Any help is 
appreciated.

AW: Lohmeier

Date: 1999/07/03 05:29:35
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Perhaps "Gonigreigh" means "Königreich" = "Kingdom".
Hubert

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von ClarkScarb(a)aol.com
> Gesendet am: Samstag, 3. Juli 1999 05:09
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: Lohmeier
> 
> I'm looking for information on my gggrandfather John Henry Lohmeier born 
> August 18, 1831 in Gonigreigh, Hanover and my gggrandmother 
> Sophia Margaretta 
> Wilheimia Piening born October 10, 1849 in Gonigreigh.  They 
> immigrated to 
> the US sometime before 1884 and settled in Pleasant Dale, 
> Nebraska.  I have 
> been unable to locate any information on the town of Gonigreigh.  
> Any help is 
> appreciated.
> 


Kroeger

Date: 1999/07/04 01:05:54
From: SHAR1313 <SHAR1313(a)aol.com>

Hi Werner,

I hate to bother you with another request, but does the Tenfelde book show 
any information on Kroeger/Kroger emigrating in the 1840s?  

Thank you,
Sharon Kroeger Howes
Shar1313(a)aol.com

Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/04 03:39:33
From: Rlilac <Rlilac(a)aol.com>

John
My family came from Voltlage, but on many American records it says they were 
from Hannover, so I assume it was in Hannover. I could be wrong. Maybe 
someone else knows for sure.
Rosemary

Wacker/Wakker/Walker

Date: 1999/07/04 06:04:34
From: JanHayek <JanHayek(a)aol.com>

Werner,
I am trying to find my great grandfather who stated on his marriage 
application (in Berlin, Ontario) that he was born in Hannover.  He married in 
1878.  He would have arrived prior to 1878.  His name was Konrad (Conrad) 
Wacker.  I have seen other spellings as included in subject above.  Can you 
please tell me where he came from and when?
Most respectfully,
Jan Hayek
Longmont, Colorado

Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/04 13:34:50
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

Mary Ann,

Do you know whether August was born in the town of Hannover or The Kingdom
of Hannover and if so where?  I'm trying to pin down a place to start
searching for birth records for my WENZEL line.


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD

----------
> From: hmulford(a)eos.net
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Wenzel
> Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:31 AM
> 
> I would be interested in information on an August WENZEL, b. 1866,
Hannover.
> --Mary Ann Kettler Mulford


Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/04 16:28:48
From: hmulford <hmulford(a)eos.net>

Frank,
It would be the Kingdom or Province of Hannover.  August emmigrated in Feb.
1887 to Austin Co. Texas.  He married Catherine Sieck from Rendsburg,
Holstein, in  Sept. 1887.  Apparently, August traveled to Texas with
Catheriine's brother Heinrich Sieck, but I don't know if they were aquainted
in Germany or met on the voyage.
--Mary Ann

Frank Wenzel wrote:

> Mary Ann,
>
> Do you know whether August was born in the town of Hannover or The Kingdom
> of Hannover and if so where?  I'm trying to pin down a place to start
> searching for birth records for my WENZEL line.
>
> Frank Wenzel
>
> Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
> MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD
>
> ----------
> > From: hmulford(a)eos.net
> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > Subject: Re: Wenzel
> > Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:31 AM
> >
> > I would be interested in information on an August WENZEL, b. 1866,
> Hannover.
> > --Mary Ann Kettler Mulford




Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/04 17:26:54
From: tommytech <tommytech(a)dakotacom.net>

At 09:38 PM 7/3/99 EDT, you wrote:

>My family came from Voltlage, but on many American records it says they were 
>from Hannover, so I assume it was in Hannover. I could be wrong. Maybe 
>someone else knows for sure.
>Rosemary

Rosemary & John

Voltlage is in Bundeslag Niedersachsen about 20-30 km NW of Osnabrück. It
was indeed within Königreich Hannover (later Prussia). I'm researching an
area nearby (Ankum). Good luck.

Best Regards,
Tom Frederick


Re: Kroeger

Date: 1999/07/04 17:41:27
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Sharon,
the Tenfelde book shows not any Kröger, there I have only some records of 
Krieger and Krüger.
The emigrants list of Damme/Oldenburg 
(www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/kapite12.htm) shows this:

Kröger, Berend      1 1836 Damme 
Kröger, Dina bei Mackeliening    1 1844 Osterdamme 
Kröger, Elisabeth bei Kolon Arkenberg    1 1844 Osterfeine 
Kröger, Heinrich, Fam. mit Frau und 5 Kindern, Heuerm. bei Kolon Lienesch 7 1836 
Nellinghof 
Kröger, Heinrich, mit Frau und 2 Kindern aus Lieneschs Leibzucht (Heuerhaus) 4 
1843 Nellinghof 

Werner
-----------------------------------------------
SHAR1313(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Hi Werner,
>
> I hate to bother you with another request, but does the Tenfelde book show 
> any information on Kroeger/Kroger emigrating in the 1840s?  
>
> Thank you,
> Sharon Kroeger Howes
> Shar1313(a)aol.com

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Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/04 17:41:45
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Rlilac(a)aol.com schrieb:
> John
> My family came from Voltlage, but on many American records it says they were 
> from Hannover, so I assume it was in Hannover. I could be wrong. Maybe 
> someone else knows for sure.
> Rosemary

Voltlage is located in county Osnabrück, former the old Kingdom of Hannover.

Werner
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Re: Wacker/Wakker/Walker

Date: 1999/07/04 17:41:45
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Jan,
I have not a name like Wacker/Walker.
The German phone directory says, both are very common names: 5643 Wacker, 2162 
Walker, 7 Wakker.

I'm sorry,
Werner
--------------------------------------
JanHayek(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Werner,
> I am trying to find my great grandfather who stated on his marriage 
> application (in Berlin, Ontario) that he was born in Hannover.  He married in 
> 1878.  He would have arrived prior to 1878.  His name was Konrad (Conrad) 
> Wacker.  I have seen other spellings as included in subject above.  Can you 
> please tell me where he came from and when?
> Most respectfully,
> Jan Hayek
> Longmont, Colorado

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/


Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/04 19:01:20
From: gregory t. hartke <gth(a)mindspring.com>

At 09:38 PM 7/3/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>John
>My family came from Voltlage, but on many American records it says they were 
>from Hannover, so I assume it was in Hannover. I could be wrong. Maybe 
>someone else knows for sure.
>Rosemary
>
Rosemary.....My family also originated in and around Voltlage (Voltlage,
Hollenstede, Schwagstorf, Kallinghausen?) as far back as ca. 1720.  I have
been told that Voltlage is in Kreis Osnabruck in the old Kingdom of
Hannover.  I am researching the following surnames from that area:  Hartke,
Borges, Schierman, Schmidt, Stautberg.
If you, or anyone on this page, has these surnames in your background I'd
be happy to exchange information.  Greg in Ohio 

Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/04 23:55:12
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

Mary Ann,

Guess that you are in the same predicament that I find myself in---finding
out where to start looking in Germany.  I just can't seem to find a place
more definitive than the "Kingdom of Hannover" and from what I have been
told there are over 1,000 sites where the records could be.  I'd sure like
to narrow it down some.  

Thanks for the reply.


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD

----------
> From: hmulford(a)eos.net
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Wenzel
> Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 10:29 AM
> 
> Frank,
> It would be the Kingdom or Province of Hannover.  August emmigrated in
Feb.
> 1887 to Austin Co. Texas.  He married Catherine Sieck from Rendsburg,
> Holstein, in  Sept. 1887.  Apparently, August traveled to Texas with
> Catheriine's brother Heinrich Sieck, but I don't know if they were
aquainted
> in Germany or met on the voyage.
> --Mary Ann
> 
> Frank Wenzel wrote:
> 
> > Mary Ann,
> >
> > Do you know whether August was born in the town of Hannover or The
Kingdom
> > of Hannover and if so where?  I'm trying to pin down a place to start
> > searching for birth records for my WENZEL line.
> >
> > Frank Wenzel
> >
> > Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> > COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK,
HORLDIN,
> > MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE,
WENZEL,WOODWARD
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: hmulford(a)eos.net
> > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > > Subject: Re: Wenzel
> > > Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:31 AM
> > >
> > > I would be interested in information on an August WENZEL, b. 1866,
> > Hannover.
> > > --Mary Ann Kettler Mulford
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/05 00:08:59
From: JanHayek <JanHayek(a)aol.com>

Frank...and Mary Ann,
Count me as included here!
Where does one start when ancestors listed Hannover as place of birth?
Can't locate him in Germans to America Ship Lists either.
Have you used these books?
Jan

Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/05 01:09:42
From: david l heller <dlheller(a)fuse.net>

Have you tried the German phone book to see where the name appears in the old
Hannover area? There was a site that did a name and area frequency but I
believe it no longer exists. If it does maybe a fellow list member can supply
it.
David Heller
Researching: HELLER; WERTZ; DUMOLT; MENCHEN; RUPPERT; HARTER

Frank Wenzel wrote:

> Mary Ann,
>
> Guess that you are in the same predicament that I find myself in---finding
> out where to start looking in Germany.  I just can't seem to find a place
> more definitive than the "Kingdom of Hannover" and from what I have been
> told there are over 1,000 sites where the records could be.  I'd sure like
> to narrow it down some.
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Frank Wenzel
>
> Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
> MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD
>
> ----------
> > From: hmulford(a)eos.net
> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > Subject: Re: Wenzel
> > Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 10:29 AM
> >
> > Frank,
> > It would be the Kingdom or Province of Hannover.  August emmigrated in
> Feb.
> > 1887 to Austin Co. Texas.  He married Catherine Sieck from Rendsburg,
> > Holstein, in  Sept. 1887.  Apparently, August traveled to Texas with
> > Catheriine's brother Heinrich Sieck, but I don't know if they were
> aquainted
> > in Germany or met on the voyage.
> > --Mary Ann
> >
> > Frank Wenzel wrote:
> >
> > > Mary Ann,
> > >
> > > Do you know whether August was born in the town of Hannover or The
> Kingdom
> > > of Hannover and if so where?  I'm trying to pin down a place to start
> > > searching for birth records for my WENZEL line.
> > >
> > > Frank Wenzel
> > >
> > > Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> > > COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK,
> HORLDIN,
> > > MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE,
> WENZEL,WOODWARD
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: hmulford(a)eos.net
> > > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Wenzel
> > > > Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:31 AM
> > > >
> > > > I would be interested in information on an August WENZEL, b. 1866,
> > > Hannover.
> > > > --Mary Ann Kettler Mulford
> >
> >
> >
> >




Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/05 02:39:23
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>

Jan,
I have the same problem - My Lange grandfather came from somewhere
in Hannover - I'm still looking.   I may suggest that you look in
Zimmerman's books - He indexes only those ships that give the town
or city of origin.  From 1850 to 1855, the Germans to America
Indexes the German passengers on only those ships that have more
than 80% Germans on board.  Later years include all German
passengers.

Germans to America have quite a few ommissions and errors.  But they
are still quite useful!  What year of immigration are you looking
for?  Did you look at various alternate spelling in "Germans to
America"?  Did you look at church records in the US?  Did you search
for Naturalization papers?

You may want to look at my Research Guide to Immigration and Ships
Passenger Lists at:
http://home.att.net/~arnielang
Section 4.0 addresses the problems associated with searching for
passenger lists in the 1800's.

Arnie

JanHayek(a)aol.com wrote:
> 
> Frank...and Mary Ann,
> Count me as included here!
> Where does one start when ancestors listed Hannover as place of birth?
> Can't locate him in Germans to America Ship Lists either.
> Have you used these books?
> Jan

-- 
Arnold Lang
arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net
Visit the Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists
at:
http://home.att.net/~arnielang

Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/05 06:44:10
From: Gladys Eichelberger <geichel(a)adams.net>

The address for the research guide did not work for me.  Is there another
access?

Gladys
geichel(a)adams.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 1999 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Wenzel


> Jan,
> I have the same problem - My Lange grandfather came from somewhere
> in Hannover - I'm still looking.   I may suggest that you look in
> Zimmerman's books - He indexes only those ships that give the town
> or city of origin.  From 1850 to 1855, the Germans to America
> Indexes the German passengers on only those ships that have more
> than 80% Germans on board.  Later years include all German
> passengers.
>
> Germans to America have quite a few ommissions and errors.  But they
> are still quite useful!  What year of immigration are you looking
> for?  Did you look at various alternate spelling in "Germans to
> America"?  Did you look at church records in the US?  Did you search
> for Naturalization papers?
>
> You may want to look at my Research Guide to Immigration and Ships
> Passenger Lists at:
> http://home.att.net/~arnielang
> Section 4.0 addresses the problems associated with searching for
> passenger lists in the 1800's.
>
> Arnie
>
> JanHayek(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Frank...and Mary Ann,
> > Count me as included here!
> > Where does one start when ancestors listed Hannover as place of birth?
> > Can't locate him in Germans to America Ship Lists either.
> > Have you used these books?
> > Jan
>
> --
> Arnold Lang
> arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net
> Visit the Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists
> at:
> http://home.att.net/~arnielang
>


Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/05 06:47:26
From: Gladys Eichelberger <geichel(a)adams.net>

Sorry, Arnie, I had it and didn't know.  It was hidden behind another
window.  It worked fine.  Thanks

Gladys
----- Original Message -----
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 1999 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Wenzel


> Jan,
> I have the same problem - My Lange grandfather came from somewhere
> in Hannover - I'm still looking.   I may suggest that you look in
> Zimmerman's books - He indexes only those ships that give the town
> or city of origin.  From 1850 to 1855, the Germans to America
> Indexes the German passengers on only those ships that have more
> than 80% Germans on board.  Later years include all German
> passengers.
>
> Germans to America have quite a few ommissions and errors.  But they
> are still quite useful!  What year of immigration are you looking
> for?  Did you look at various alternate spelling in "Germans to
> America"?  Did you look at church records in the US?  Did you search
> for Naturalization papers?
>
> You may want to look at my Research Guide to Immigration and Ships
> Passenger Lists at:
> http://home.att.net/~arnielang
> Section 4.0 addresses the problems associated with searching for
> passenger lists in the 1800's.
>
> Arnie
>
> JanHayek(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Frank...and Mary Ann,
> > Count me as included here!
> > Where does one start when ancestors listed Hannover as place of birth?
> > Can't locate him in Germans to America Ship Lists either.
> > Have you used these books?
> > Jan
>
> --
> Arnold Lang
> arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net
> Visit the Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists
> at:
> http://home.att.net/~arnielang
>


Hannover Researchers

Date: 1999/07/05 11:51:18
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

In going through FHL microfilms for other parts (Baden) Germany I have
noticed a preponderance of some surnames which I have from time to time
passed on to other researchers when I see their signature lines contain
that surname.

What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surname "WENZEL" I would
appreciate your passing the film number or town location to me.  I am
especially seeking those areas where the surname would appear during the
1800-1850 time frame.  My problem is that after years of attempting to
track down a town or area where my gr gr grandfather emigrated from the
best I can come up with is the Kingdom of Hannover.  Churches in the city
of Hannover have no records of that surname.  Now I am attempting to narrow
down areas where I might begin a search by attempting to learn what areas
during the 1800-1805 time frame contained families with the WENZEL surname.
 

A long shot at best but as in all genealogical searches 'Hope springs
eternal'.  Any assistance or information will be greatly appreciated.  I
will do the research--I just want a starting point.  So if you see the
surname during your own research I would appreciate either a roll number or
location.

Thank you,


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD


Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/06 06:57:56
From: Helen Wiecking-King <wiecking_king(a)yahoo.com>

Does the Tenfelde book mention the family nae
Wiecking, from the Bramsche area?

Helen Wiecking King
> 

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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/06 07:13:26
From: Michelle Martineau <mmitch(a)telusplanet.net>

Hi helen,

I am searching the Wicker, wecker, Weacker family line of Germany
my mom is writhing a letter to snail mail you, her name is
Phyllis Wicker-Gilker we were wondering if you might be a
relation to us.

Michelle Martineau

Helen Wiecking-King wrote:

> Does the Tenfelde book mention the family nae
> Wiecking, from the Bramsche area?
>
> Helen Wiecking King
> >
>
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Re: Kroeger

Date: 1999/07/06 08:41:00
From: SHAR1313 <SHAR1313(a)aol.com>

Thank you Werner.  

Sharon Kroeger Howes

Kingdom of Hanover surnames

Date: 1999/07/06 12:14:33
From: JBeck88803 <JBeck88803(a)aol.com>

What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surnames BECKMAN/BECKMANN & 
WOLTER/WOLTERS I would appreciate your passing the film number or town 
location to me.  I am especially seeking those areas where the surname would 
appear during the1800-1850 time frame.  My problem is that after years of 
attempting to track down a town or area where my gr gr grandfather emigrated 
from the
best I can come up with is the Kingdom of Hannover.  Churches in the city
of Hannover have no records of that surname they were of the Lutheran faith.  
Now I am attempting to narrow down areas where I might begin a search by 
attempting to learn what areas during the 1800-1805 time frame contained 
families with the BECKMAN/BECKMANN & WOLTER/WOLTERS surname.

Thank you,
Joan Beckman
JBeck88803(a)aol.com

Re: Hannover Researchers

Date: 1999/07/06 19:54:07
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hallo Frank,
the Tenfelde book of county Emsland (former Landkreis Lingen, old Kingdom of 
Hannover) shows this record:
Wenzel Hermann Johann, *1844, Arbeiter(Workman) from Varenrode (a part of Spelle 
in county Emsland), emigrated 1868, from Brmen to New York, arrival 7.May 1868, 
ship NEW YORK.
Source: Germans to America.

Werner
----------------------------------------------------
Frank Wenzel schrieb:
> In going through FHL microfilms for other parts (Baden) Germany I have
> noticed a preponderance of some surnames which I have from time to time
> passed on to other researchers when I see their signature lines contain
> that surname.
>
> What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
> within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surname "WENZEL" I would
> appreciate your passing the film number or town location to me.  I am
> especially seeking those areas where the surname would appear during the
> 1800-1850 time frame.  My problem is that after years of attempting to
> track down a town or area where my gr gr grandfather emigrated from the
> best I can come up with is the Kingdom of Hannover.  Churches in the city
> of Hannover have no records of that surname.  Now I am attempting to narrow
> down areas where I might begin a search by attempting to learn what areas
> during the 1800-1805 time frame contained families with the WENZEL surname.
>  
>
> A long shot at best but as in all genealogical searches 'Hope springs
> eternal'.  Any assistance or information will be greatly appreciated.  I
> will do the research--I just want a starting point.  So if you see the
> surname during your own research I would appreciate either a roll number or
> location.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Frank Wenzel
>
> Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
> MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD
>

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Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames

Date: 1999/07/06 19:54:10
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Joan,
the Tenfelde book of former county Lingen (now county Emsland) shows 23 names of 
Beckmann and 14 names of Wolters. Send me the firstnames.
Werner
-----------------------------------------------------
JBeck88803(a)aol.com schrieb:
> What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
> within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surnames BECKMAN/BECKMANN & 
> WOLTER/WOLTERS I would appreciate your passing the film number or town 
> location to me.  I am especially seeking those areas where the surname would 
> appear during the1800-1850 time frame.  My problem is that after years of 
> attempting to track down a town or area where my gr gr grandfather emigrated 
> from the
> best I can come up with is the Kingdom of Hannover.  Churches in the city
> of Hannover have no records of that surname they were of the Lutheran faith.  
> Now I am attempting to narrow down areas where I might begin a search by 
> attempting to learn what areas during the 1800-1805 time frame contained 
> families with the BECKMAN/BECKMANN & WOLTER/WOLTERS surname.
>
> Thank you,
> Joan Beckman
> JBeck88803(a)aol.com

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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/06 19:54:12
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Helen Wiecking-King schrieb:
> Does the Tenfelde book mention the family nae
> Wiecking, from the Bramsche area?
>
I'm sorry, the book shows not the name Wiecking or like this:-(
Werner
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Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/06 21:40:27
From: Rodewald, Martin H. <Rodewald.Martin(a)mayo.edu>

Would there be any reference to Rodewald in the Tenfelde Book?

I am looking for information on my gggrandfather Frederick Edward Rodewald, 
born Feb. 16, 1815 in Bremen, Kingdom of Hanover.  He arrived in New Orleans

on Nov. 10, 1851 on a ship Johaan Schmidt.  He stated his occupation was
Stone Mason.
The family is Lutheran.  He married Sophie M. Heide about 1841 in the
Kingdom of Hanover.
The story is he married down in heirachy and that was the reason for coming
to the 
United States.

Thank you in advance for any possible help.

Marty Rodewald
  

Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames

Date: 1999/07/06 21:56:14
From: Sondra Brown <cats(a)eosinc.com>

Would Hoberkamp/Haberkamp be in the Tenfelde?   Have a Sophia b. 1832
married a Frederick Wilhelm Meyer.
Thanks.  Sondra

Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 00:40:52
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>

My Hannover ancestors are Rieckmann and Wolle, from Ebstorf and
Altenebstorf.   They emigrated about 1867.  Could you please check to see
if those names appear in the Tenfelde book?  
Thank you very much.

Mona_Houser(a)juno.com

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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 00:55:07
From: Rod Bell <rbell(a)winternet.com>

Could someone please look-up Wilhelm or Henry LEWER, They left for the U.S.
1866, I also only have Kingdom of Hannover.


Rod Bell
Little Canada, MN 
rbell(a)winternet.com

Researching BELL, WARD, PORTER, CATES, MULLINS, MOORE, KINDRED, GENTRY,
HAGGARD, 
LEWER, KRAUSE, HUBMER, TUERK, ROST, AHRNS, KOESTER



Translation help please!

Date: 1999/07/07 00:56:44
From: JuJuBean11 <JuJuBean11(a)aol.com>

I received a letter back (in German) from a church office in Osnabruck and I 
think I translated it properly but wanted to get some expert advice.

It said:

Ihre obige Anfrage haben wir an das (name,address) weitergeleitet.

Does this say that the church office forwarded my letter onto the 
name,address indicated in the letter?

I didn't want to be sitting around waiting for a response to come back if it 
was I who needed to respond.

Thanks!

Julie

Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 00:57:41
From: Alan and Julie Oliver <oliver(a)istmacon.net>

Could you see if the name Peiter is in the Tenfelde book?

Thank you

Julie

Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 01:16:02
From: Robert Meints <meints(a)ibm.net>

* 
Could you see if the name MEINTS is in the Tenfelde book?
 
Thank you
 
Robert Meints


Translation

Date: 1999/07/07 01:49:25
From: MSouth1872 <MSouth1872(a)aol.com>

Could someone please tell me what a Justen is? Is it a person or an 
occupation? Thank you. Margaret

Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 03:12:48
From: James Maxeiner <maxeiner(a)worldnet.att.net>

I just got into this matter. Would someone be so kind as to repeat what the
Tenfelde book is?

Thanks.

James Maxeiner


----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Meints <meints(a)ibm.net>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: Tenfelde book


> *
> Could you see if the name MEINTS is in the Tenfelde book?
>
> Thank you
>
> Robert Meints
>
>


Dissmeyer, Dissmeier, Dißmeyer from Han nover

Date: 1999/07/07 03:19:12
From: PattyWhack <PattyWhack(a)aol.com>

I have a copy of the ship manifest my ancestor, Friedrich Dissmeyer, and his 
family came to the US on.  It was the ship Coriolan from Bremen to NY, docked 
June of 1864.  It says they were from Hannover.

Does anyone know how I can go about finding out where in Hannover they were 
from?  

I know this is a very  LARGE question, but would appreciate any direction.

Thanks very much in advance.   
Patricia Dissmeyer Goff

Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 05:17:46
From: Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>

Hi Werner:
	Please check for the surname MACKEBEN.  Thank you.
Doug

Re: Translation

Date: 1999/07/07 06:07:06
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 6 Jul 99, at 19:48, MSouth1872(a)aol.com wrote about Translation:

> Could someone please tell me what a Justen is? Is it a person or an 
> occupation? Thank you. Margaret
> 

sounds like it is neither. Are you sure of the spelling. What is the 
context?

Fred

26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames

Date: 1999/07/07 06:39:24
From: arzyredfox <arzyredfox(a)proaxis.com>

At 06:13 AM 7/6/99 EDT, you wrote:
>What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
>within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surnames BECKMAN/BECKMANN & 
>WOLTER/WOLTERS I would appreciate your passing the film number or town 
>location to me.  I am especially seeking those areas where the surname would 
>appear during the1800-1850 time frame.  My problem is that after years of 
>attempting to track down a town or area where my gr gr grandfather emigrated 
>from the
>best I can come up with is the Kingdom of Hannover.  Churches in the city
>of Hannover have no records of that surname they were of the Lutheran
faith.  
>Now I am attempting to narrow down areas where I might begin a search by 
>attempting to learn what areas during the 1800-1805 time frame contained 
>families with the BECKMAN/BECKMANN & WOLTER/WOLTERS surname.
>
>Thank you,
>Joan Beckman
>JBeck88803(a)aol.com
>
>
There was a priest in charge of the church records in the Munster in
Osnabruek in 1836.


Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames

Date: 1999/07/07 12:10:05
From: Frederick Buck <fredbuck(a)sprynet.com>

Joan,

The name BECKMAN/BECKMANN is very common in the Boerde Lamstedt, a
"township" of villages surrounding the village of Lamstedt in what was once
northern Hannover.  I believe I have also seen WOLTER/WOLTERS in the
records, but it is less common.  The LDS FHC Library has four films for
Lamstedt:  

1188998  Births, Marriages, Deaths 			1714 - 1762 (with gaps)
1188999  Births, Marriages, Deaths 			1762 - 1805
1189000  Births, Marriages, Deaths, Confirmations	1806 - 1836
1189501  Births, Marriages, Deaths, Confirmations	1836 - 1852

These records are listed as Kirchenbuch records in the FHC Catalog, but in
reality they are Duplikat civil records for the Kingdom of Hannover that
were filmed at the Niedersachsen archives in Stade.  The actual Kirchenbuch
records are still at St.-Bartholomaeus-Kirche in Lamstedt.  These records
go back further in time and are more complete than the filmed Duplikat
records.

I have ready access to these records and am very willing to do a lookup if
you could provide pertinent information.

Fred BUCK
Cincinnati, Ohio

----------

At 06:13 AM 7/6/99 EDT, Joan BECKMANN wrote:

> >What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
> >within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surnames
BECKMAN/BECKMANN & 
> >WOLTER/WOLTERS I would appreciate your passing the film number or town 
> >location to me.  
> There was a priest in charge of the church records in the Munster in
> Osnabruek in 1836.

Rodehorst surname

Date: 1999/07/07 13:28:05
From: Kathleen (Kitty) Hanna <khanna(a)kearney.net>

Dear Werner

Would you be so kind as to look up the surname of "Rodehorst" in the
Tenfelde Book?  You are doing a wonderful service for all of us that
are tracing our family roots.  You have a big heart and we thank you
very much

Kitty
khanna(a)kearney.net


Re: Translation help please!

Date: 1999/07/07 14:20:31
From: Sylvia Moehle <Sylvia.Moehle(a)t-online.de>

JuJuBean11(a)aol.com schrieb:
> I received a letter back (in German) from a church office in Osnabruck and I 
> think I translated it properly but wanted to get some expert advice.
>
> It said:
>
> Ihre obige Anfrage haben wir an das (name,address) weitergeleitet.
>
> Does this say that the church office forwarded my letter onto the 
> name,address indicated in the letter?
>
> I didn't want to be sitting around waiting for a response to come back if it 
> was I who needed to respond.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Julie

Dear Julie,
it does mean that they have forwarded your enquiry to the address indicated
in the letter.
Sylvia


Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames

Date: 1999/07/07 16:09:58
From: Stanley A. Wickman <cownabor(a)oeonline.com>

A generous offer. Would there be information about Frederick Wickman and
Mary Greuner (or closely related spellings) who became man and wife
before 1800, and children, one of whom is Henry? 

Frederick Buck wrote:
> 
> Joan,
> 
> The name BECKMAN/BECKMANN is very common in the Boerde Lamstedt, a
> "township" of villages surrounding the village of Lamstedt in what was once
> northern Hannover.  I believe I have also seen WOLTER/WOLTERS in the
> records, but it is less common.  The LDS FHC Library has four films for
> Lamstedt:
> 
> 1188998  Births, Marriages, Deaths                      1714 - 1762 (with gaps)
> 1188999  Births, Marriages, Deaths                      1762 - 1805
> 1189000  Births, Marriages, Deaths, Confirmations       1806 - 1836
> 1189501  Births, Marriages, Deaths, Confirmations       1836 - 1852
> 
> These records are listed as Kirchenbuch records in the FHC Catalog, but in
> reality they are Duplikat civil records for the Kingdom of Hannover that
> were filmed at the Niedersachsen archives in Stade.  The actual Kirchenbuch
> records are still at St.-Bartholomaeus-Kirche in Lamstedt.  These records
> go back further in time and are more complete than the filmed Duplikat
> records.
> 
> I have ready access to these records and am very willing to do a lookup if
> you could provide pertinent information.
> 
> Fred BUCK
> Cincinnati, Ohio
> 
> ----------
> 
> At 06:13 AM 7/6/99 EDT, Joan BECKMANN wrote:
> 
> > >What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
> > >within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surnames
> BECKMAN/BECKMANN &
> > >WOLTER/WOLTERS I would appreciate your passing the film number or town
> > >location to me.
> > There was a priest in charge of the church records in the Munster in
> > Osnabruek in 1836.

Re:Church address

Date: 1999/07/07 16:42:49
From: Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>

I have an ancestor married at Rehburg near Hanover and it says he was 
born in Minden in 1801. I contacted the churches in Minden, Westphalia 
including the military records and they could not find the record. I 
have also tried Munden(with umlaut) since I thought maybe the pastor in 
Rehburg had misread the German script. They could not find a record 
either. 
	The surname Mackeben is very common to Rehburg area. The only other 
Minden I know of is in Trier. Does anyone have the address for the 
evangelical church?

Thank you,

Doug

Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 18:26:49
From: Ton Grote <tgrote(a)gironet.nl>

Dear Werner

Would you be so kind as to look up the surname of GROTE in the
Tenfelde Book?  The GROTE's where I am looking for lived in Merzen (between
Osnabrück en Fürstenau).
Thanks

Ton Grote


Kingdom of Hanover Surnames

Date: 1999/07/07 19:17:26
From: Po. Co. Literacy <mthompson(a)imine.net>

To Fred Buck,
    Thank you for your generous offer....would you mind checking for:
Frederick, Joseph and Christopher TEPE from town of Osnabrueck, Hanover.
Christopher was born 1825...emigrated in 1844 to U.S.  Am interested in
birth, marriage, and death records.  Parents of these brothers both died
when sons were young.
    I appreciate what you are doing..thank you.        Megan Thompson


Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:10:27
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Hello Marty,
the Tenfelde book have not included the names Rodewald or Heide.
I'm sorry,
Werner

Rodewald, Martin H. schrieb:
> Would there be any reference to Rodewald in the Tenfelde Book?
>
> I am looking for information on my gggrandfather Frederick Edward Rodewald, 
> born Feb. 16, 1815 in Bremen, Kingdom of Hanover.  He arrived in New Orleans
>
> on Nov. 10, 1851 on a ship Johaan Schmidt.  He stated his occupation was
> Stone Mason.
> The family is Lutheran.  He married Sophie M. Heide about 1841 in the
> Kingdom of Hanover.
> The story is he married down in heirachy and that was the reason for coming
> to the 
> United States.
>
> Thank you in advance for any possible help.
>
> Marty Rodewald
>   

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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:10:28
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

mona_houser(a)juno.com schrieb:
> My Hannover ancestors are Rieckmann and Wolle, from Ebstorf and
> Altenebstorf.   They emigrated about 1867.  Could you please check to see
> if those names appear in the Tenfelde book?  
> Thank you very much.
>
> Mona_Houser(a)juno.com

Hello Mona,
the Tenfelde coverd only the former county Lingen, now Emsland(boarder to 
Netherland).
But Ebsdorf is located in county Uelzen, north of the town Hannover.
The book shows only the name Riekemann Johann and Antoinette from Nordhorn and 
Thuine.
Werner
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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:10:28
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Rod Bell schrieb:
> Could someone please look-up Wilhelm or Henry LEWER, They left for the U.S.
> 1866, I also only have Kingdom of Hannover.
>
I'm sorry, the Tenfelde book include not the name LEWER or like this.
The name sounds like as a name more to east Germany (Sachen-Anhalt?).

Werner

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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:10:29
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Alan and Julie Oliver schrieb:
> Could you see if the name Peiter is in the Tenfelde book?
>
> Thank you
>
> Julie
I'm sorry, the Tenfelde book shows not this name.
Werner

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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:10:32
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Robert Meints schrieb:
> * 
> Could you see if the name MEINTS is in the Tenfelde book?
>  
> Thank you
>  
> Robert Meints
-------------->
I'm sorry, the Tenfelde book included not the name MEINTS.
The phone book shows about 200 addresses, most in Ostfriesland region.

Werner

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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:10:35
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Doug Plowman schrieb:
> Hi Werner:
> 	Please check for the surname MACKEBEN.  Thank you.
> Doug
--------------------
I'm sorry, I have not the name Mackeben. The phone book shows 40 Mackeben 
between Bremen and Hannover: www.teleauskunft.de

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Re: Dissmeyer, Dissmeier, Dißmeyer from Hannover

Date: 1999/07/07 20:13:53
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

PattyWhack(a)aol.com schrieb:
> I have a copy of the ship manifest my ancestor, Friedrich Dissmeyer, and his 
> family came to the US on.  It was the ship Coriolan from Bremen to NY, docked 
> June of 1864.  It says they were from Hannover.
>
> Does anyone know how I can go about finding out where in Hannover they were 
> from?  
>
> I know this is a very  LARGE question, but would appreciate any direction.
>
> Thanks very much in advance.   
> Patricia Dissmeyer Goff
--------------
Here all addresses from the German phone book:

Dißmeyer, Anke  
Elbeallee 66
  33689 Bielefeld

Dissmeyer, Else  
Berliner Ring 35
  31303 Burgdorf

Dißmeyer, Fritz  
Ringstr. 76
  32130 Enger

Dißmeyer, Ingeborg  
Habsburgerring 7
  32427 Minden

Dißmeyer, M.
  3242. Minden Westf*

Dißmeyer, Margot  
Rheinallee 117
  33689 Bielefeld

Dißmeyer, Ulrich  
Heinrich-Röhr-Str. 77
  32760 Detmold

Dißmeyer, Uve  
Rheinallee 110
  33689 Bielefeld

There you kann also find 16 Dissmeier, 14 of Externtal, try:
- www.teleauskunft.de -


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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:14:48
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Ton Grote schrieb:
> Dear Werner
>
> Would you be so kind as to look up the surname of GROTE in the
> Tenfelde Book?  The GROTE's where I am looking for lived in Merzen (between
> Osnabrück en Fürstenau).
> Thanks
>
> Ton Grote
>
The book shows 17 Grote, but only of former county Lingen. Merzen is county 
Osnabrück, but near to the boarder of Lingen.

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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:25:12
From: Gail Meyer Kilgore <gkilgore(a)primenet.com>

What about the name Groen or Nottelmann?

Tschüß,
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Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 20:56:34
From: Carolyn Bening <cbening(a)socket.net>

Does the Tenfelde reference include any of these family names from the
Bramsche area, specifically from Engter, Venne, Schleptrup?
BUENING, TEPE, SACHTLEBEN, JOHANNESMIER, RENNEGARBE
Thank you for your time in looking up these names.  

Carolyn Huttegger Bening
Jefferson City, Missouri

Re: Hannover Researchers

Date: 1999/07/07 20:57:59
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

Werner,

Thanks for the information.  I'll add it to my list of places to check out.
 

I appreciate the reply.

Frank


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD

----------
> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Hannover Researchers
> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:53 AM
> 
> Hallo Frank,
> the Tenfelde book of county Emsland (former Landkreis Lingen, old Kingdom
of 
> Hannover) shows this record:
> Wenzel Hermann Johann, *1844, Arbeiter(Workman) from Varenrode (a part of
Spelle 
> in county Emsland), emigrated 1868, from Brmen to New York, arrival 7.May
1868, 
> ship NEW YORK.
> Source: Germans to America.
> 
> Werner
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Frank Wenzel schrieb:
> > In going through FHL microfilms for other parts (Baden) Germany I have
> > noticed a preponderance of some surnames which I have from time to time
> > passed on to other researchers when I see their signature lines contain
> > that surname.
> >
> > What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
> > within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surname "WENZEL" I
would
> > appreciate your passing the film number or town location to me.  I am
> > especially seeking those areas where the surname would appear during
the
> > 1800-1850 time frame.  My problem is that after years of attempting to
> > track down a town or area where my gr gr grandfather emigrated from the
> > best I can come up with is the Kingdom of Hannover.  Churches in the
city
> > of Hannover have no records of that surname.  Now I am attempting to
narrow
> > down areas where I might begin a search by attempting to learn what
areas
> > during the 1800-1805 time frame contained families with the WENZEL
surname.
> >  
> >
> > A long shot at best but as in all genealogical searches 'Hope springs
> > eternal'.  Any assistance or information will be greatly appreciated. 
I
> > will do the research--I just want a starting point.  So if you see the
> > surname during your own research I would appreciate either a roll
number or
> > location.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Frank Wenzel
> >
> > Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> > COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK,
HORLDIN,
> > MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE,
WENZEL,WOODWARD
> >
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
> 

Re: Church address

Date: 1999/07/07 21:00:44
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Doug Plowman schrieb:
> I have an ancestor married at Rehburg near Hanover and it says he was 
> born in Minden in 1801. I contacted the churches in Minden, Westphalia 
> including the military records and they could not find the record. I 
> have also tried Munden(with umlaut) since I thought maybe the pastor in 
> Rehburg had misread the German script. They could not find a record 
> either. 
> 	The surname Mackeben is very common to Rehburg area. The only other 
> Minden I know of is in Trier. Does anyone have the address for the 
> evangelical church?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Doug
----------
The phone book listed Minden in Westphalen and Minden in Sauerland county 
Bitburg. It is curios, Minden/Sauerland shows not any churches !?
Here the community address:

Gemeindeverwaltung 
  54310 Minden Sauerland

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Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/07 21:40:30
From: Lopez-Buitrago, Anne <ALopez-Buitrago(a)neh.gov>

Could you please see if the name KUES appears in the Tenfelde book?

Thank you,

Anne

alopez-buitrago(a)neh.gov

Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames (BECKMANN)

Date: 1999/07/07 22:00:47
From: PAUL F SCHEELE <PAULFSCHEELE(a)Prodigy.Net>

----- Original Message -----
From: <JBeck88803(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 4:13 AM
Subject: Kingdom of Hanover surnames


> What I would like to ask is if when reviewing any microfilm for areas
> within the Kingdom of Hannover if you notice the surnames BECKMAN/BECKMANN
&
> WOLTER/WOLTERS I would appreciate your passing the film number or town
> location to me.  I am especially seeking those areas where the surname
would
> appear during the1800-1850 time frame.  My problem is that after years of
> attempting to track down a town or area where my gr gr grandfather
emigrated
> from the
> best I can come up with is the Kingdom of Hannover.  Churches in the city
> of Hannover have no records of that surname they were of the Lutheran
faith.
> Now I am attempting to narrow down areas where I might begin a search by
> attempting to learn what areas during the 1800-1805 time frame contained
> families with the BECKMAN/BECKMANN & WOLTER/WOLTERS surname.
>
> Thank you,
> Joan Beckman
> JBeck88803(a)aol.com

Joan Beckman,

I found a number of BECKMANN surnames in LDS film no. 1189553 for Verden
(Sankt Andraea), Hannover in the time period you are interested in. I
tracked one of these families to Benton Co., MO.

Paul Scheele
paulfscheele(a)prodigy.net


Re: Kingdom of Hanover Surnames

Date: 1999/07/07 22:02:35
From: Carolyn Bening <cbening(a)socket.net>

Dear Megan,
The TEPE family that I am researching through LDS church records are listed
as residing in village of Kalkriese in district of Osnabruck in Hannover,
Germany.  The father Johann Friedrich Dietrich TEPE (b 1806 Kalkriese, to
Herbord Niclaus TEPE & Marie Elisabeth Kuhlmann) married Cathrine Marie
Elisabeth MUGGE in 1831, Engter Evangel Church.  (Herbord and Marie had
another son named Johann Heinrich b. 1808 in Kalkriese).  They had a son
Johann Friedrich Wilhelm b. 1832 in Kalkriese; however I have not located
other male children in incomplete church records.  Johann Friedrich
emigrated around 1849 when 17yrs old.  to Okawville, Washington, Illinois
where he married (1)Rosina Helfrich nd (2)Louise Busse.   

The TEPE name is very common, I understand, and your brothers may not be
related to my husband's TEPE family, but I thought I'd give it a try.
Carolyn in Missouri
----------
> From: Po. Co. Literacy <mthompson(a)imine.net>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Kingdom of Hanover Surnames
> Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 12:17 PM
> 
> To Fred Buck,
>     Thank you for your generous offer....would you mind checking for:
> Frederick, Joseph and Christopher TEPE from town of Osnabrueck, Hanover.
> Christopher was born 1825...emigrated in 1844 to U.S.  Am interested in
> birth, marriage, and death records.  Parents of these brothers both died
> when sons were young.
>     I appreciate what you are doing..thank you.        Megan Thompson

Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 22:04:01
From: MOdani <MOdani(a)aol.com>

Dear Werner,

My ggg-grandfather, John HOPPENJAN, was born in Drievorden, Lingen abt 1821.  
Many of the Hoppenjan or HOPPENJANS family emigrated in the 1840s to 
Wisconsin and Indiana, USA.  Can you link this name to Ohio?  The Ohio and 
Wisconsin/Indiana Hoppenjans are sure we're related but cannot make the 
connection.

Also, are these names from the Lingen area?

Marie ALTHAUS (or variations)
August NORDHOUSE (or variations)
Nicholas HINKENS
Anne Marie STOECKEL (or variations)

Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/07 22:06:43
From: MOdani <MOdani(a)aol.com>

Dear Werner,

My fingers got to quick.

The last name in my Hoppenjan(s) query -- was Peter Opbroek (or variations) a 
Lingen-area name?

Thank you, 
Monica Odani
modani(a)aol.com

Re: Kingdom of Hanover Surnames

Date: 1999/07/08 00:50:42
From: Po. Co. Literacy <mthompson(a)imine.net>

Carolyn, thanks for your reply and information....doesn't look like we have a
connection but I will file this anyway as the names John and Frederick were
common in my Tepe family...thanks again, Megan

Carolyn Bening wrote:

> Dear Megan,
> The TEPE family that I am researching through LDS church records are listed
> as residing in village of Kalkriese in district of Osnabruck in Hannover,
> Germany.  The father Johann Friedrich Dietrich TEPE (b 1806 Kalkriese, to
> Herbord Niclaus TEPE & Marie Elisabeth Kuhlmann) married Cathrine Marie
> Elisabeth MUGGE in 1831, Engter Evangel Church.  (Herbord and Marie had
> another son named Johann Heinrich b. 1808 in Kalkriese).  They had a son
> Johann Friedrich Wilhelm b. 1832 in Kalkriese; however I have not located
> other male children in incomplete church records.  Johann Friedrich
> emigrated around 1849 when 17yrs old.  to Okawville, Washington, Illinois
> where he married (1)Rosina Helfrich nd (2)Louise Busse.
>
> The TEPE name is very common, I understand, and your brothers may not be
> related to my husband's TEPE family, but I thought I'd give it a try.
> Carolyn in Missouri
> ----------
> > From: Po. Co. Literacy <mthompson(a)imine.net>
> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > Subject: Kingdom of Hanover Surnames
> > Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 12:17 PM
> >
> > To Fred Buck,
> >     Thank you for your generous offer....would you mind checking for:
> > Frederick, Joseph and Christopher TEPE from town of Osnabrueck, Hanover.
> > Christopher was born 1825...emigrated in 1844 to U.S.  Am interested in
> > birth, marriage, and death records.  Parents of these brothers both died
> > when sons were young.
> >     I appreciate what you are doing..thank you.        Megan Thompson


Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames (BECKMANN)

Date: 1999/07/08 02:15:31
From: JBeck88803 <JBeck88803(a)aol.com>

Thank you Paul for the information, I will try the film no. 1189553.  Thanks 
again.

Joan

Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames (BECKMANN)

Date: 1999/07/08 02:36:39
From: HRFTX <HRFTX(a)aol.com>

I am still seeking origin of a Helena Beckman, my ancestor's second wife.   
Her death record lists birth date as 16 Nov 1814, and censuses list "Hanover" 
but I can find no record of her prior to their marriage in Benton County, 
Missouri 1853.  She could possibly have had the middle name Dorothea, as one 
land record lists her as Helena D., and they named their only child Dorothea.

Homer R. Ficken
Fort Worth, Texas
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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/08 07:24:37
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>

Hi Carolyn,

Do you have roots in Fayette Co., IL?  I descend from SASSE and SCHUKAR
there, and I know that there were marriages with Sachtlebe and
Johannsmier.

Just curious.


A fellow Missourian,

Mona

On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:00:16 -0500 "Carolyn Bening" <cbening(a)socket.net>
writes:
>Does the Tenfelde reference include any of these family names from 
>the
>Bramsche area, specifically from Engter, Venne, Schleptrup?
>BUENING, TEPE, SACHTLEBEN, JOHANNESMIER, RENNEGARBE
>Thank you for your time in looking up these names.  
>
>Carolyn Huttegger Bening
>Jefferson City, Missouri

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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/08 08:04:30
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>

Werner,

Thank you so much for the help you are giving so many of us!

Mona 


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Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/08 18:11:57
From: Cristie Reed <creed(a)artic.edu>

Werner,

Is there any reference to Hermann Rothert (m. Anna Katherine
Vehslage/Vehrlage)?  I'm afraid I don't have an immigration date.  However,
he died in Louisville, KY in 1846, the father of 2 young children.  

Thank you so much for your help.

Cristie
creed(a)artic.edu



Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/08 20:58:32
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Gail Meyer Kilgore schrieb:
> What about the name Groen or Nottelmann?
>
> Tschüß,
>  Gail
>
> OSTFRIESEN CONNECTION
>      -  German Imports -
>    Tee, Kaffee, Porzellan
>    gkilgore(a)primenet.com
>
I have 13 Groen, but not a Nottelmann.

Moin, Moin,
Werner
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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/08 20:58:37
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Carolyn Bening schrieb:
> Does the Tenfelde reference include any of these family names from the
> Bramsche area, specifically from Engter, Venne, Schleptrup?
> BUENING, TEPE, SACHTLEBEN, JOHANNESMIER, RENNEGARBE
> Thank you for your time in looking up these names.  
>
> Carolyn Huttegger Bening
> Jefferson City, Missouri

I have 13 Büning, 1 Tepe Johann Bernard, not the other names.

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Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/08 21:57:08
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

David,

I had seen that site once but don't seem to be able to find it now that I
need it.  Last time I did a search on WENZEL it seems like I got 2-3,000 of
them but did not get a breakout of where they exist.  Thanks for the reply.


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD

----------
> From: david l heller <dlheller(a)fuse.net>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Wenzel
> Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 4:09 PM
> 
> Have you tried the German phone book to see where the name appears in the
old
> Hannover area? There was a site that did a name and area frequency but I
> believe it no longer exists. If it does maybe a fellow list member can
supply
> it.
> David Heller
> Researching: HELLER; WERTZ; DUMOLT; MENCHEN; RUPPERT; HARTER
> 
> Frank Wenzel wrote:
> 
> > Mary Ann,
> >
> > Guess that you are in the same predicament that I find myself
in---finding
> > out where to start looking in Germany.  I just can't seem to find a
place
> > more definitive than the "Kingdom of Hannover" and from what I have
been
> > told there are over 1,000 sites where the records could be.  I'd sure
like
> > to narrow it down some.
> >
> > Thanks for the reply.
> >
> > Frank Wenzel
> >
> > Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
> > COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK,
HORLDIN,
> > MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE,
WENZEL,WOODWARD
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: hmulford(a)eos.net
> > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > > Subject: Re: Wenzel
> > > Date: Sunday, July 04, 1999 10:29 AM
> > >
> > > Frank,
> > > It would be the Kingdom or Province of Hannover.  August emmigrated
in
> > Feb.
> > > 1887 to Austin Co. Texas.  He married Catherine Sieck from Rendsburg,
> > > Holstein, in  Sept. 1887.  Apparently, August traveled to Texas with
> > > Catheriine's brother Heinrich Sieck, but I don't know if they were
> > aquainted
> > > in Germany or met on the voyage.
> > > --Mary Ann
> > >
> > > Frank Wenzel wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mary Ann,
> > > >
> > > > Do you know whether August was born in the town of Hannover or The
> > Kingdom
> > > > of Hannover and if so where?  I'm trying to pin down a place to
start
> > > > searching for birth records for my WENZEL line.
> > > >
> > > > Frank Wenzel
> > > >
> > > > Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS,
BYINGTON,
> > > > COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK,
> > HORLDIN,
> > > > MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE,
> > WENZEL,WOODWARD
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > > From: hmulford(a)eos.net
> > > > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: Wenzel
> > > > > Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 9:31 AM
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be interested in information on an August WENZEL, b.
1866,
> > > > Hannover.
> > > > > --Mary Ann Kettler Mulford
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/08 22:36:54
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Lopez-Buitrago, Anne schrieb:
> Could you please see if the name KUES appears in the Tenfelde book?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Anne
>
> alopez-buitrago(a)neh.gov

Yes it shows 7 Kues, what is the firstname?

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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/08 22:36:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

MOdani(a)AOL.com schrieb:
> Dear Werner,
>
> My ggg-grandfather, John HOPPENJAN, was born in Drievorden, Lingen abt 1821.  
> Many of the Hoppenjan or HOPPENJANS family emigrated in the 1840s to 
> Wisconsin and Indiana, USA.  Can you link this name to Ohio?  The Ohio and 
> Wisconsin/Indiana Hoppenjans are sure we're related but cannot make the 
> connection.
>
> Also, are these names from the Lingen area?
>
> Marie ALTHAUS (or variations)
> August NORDHOUSE (or variations)
> Nicholas HINKENS
> Anne Marie STOECKEL (or variations)

An other listmember searched the name Hoppenjan.
I have this records:

Hoppenjan Bernard Joan, *29.July 1789 Drievorden, oo26.Nov.1816 in Emsbühren 
Anna Maria Booße (or Boosse)*17.Febr.1792 Ahlde, emigrated 1846, parents: 
Hermann Hoppenjan and Susanna Flödders and Colon Otto Booße and Aleid Fühner, 
source: Kirchenbuch Emsbühren

Orthaus Maria Anna *16.Nov.1817 Clusorth
Orthaus Maria Gesina *3.Nov.1829 Clusorth

not Althaus and Nordhouse and Stoeckel or like this.

3 Hinken not Nicholas

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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/08 22:36:57
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

MOdani(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Dear Werner,
>
> My fingers got to quick.
>
> The last name in my Hoppenjan(s) query -- was Peter Opbroek (or variations) a 
> Lingen-area name?
>
> Thank you, 
> Monica Odani
> modani(a)aol.com

I have 14 Hoppenjan(s) but not the name  Opbroek or like this.

Werner
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Re: Tenfelde Book

Date: 1999/07/08 22:37:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Cristie Reed schrieb:
> Werner,
>
> Is there any reference to Hermann Rothert (m. Anna Katherine
> Vehslage/Vehrlage)?  I'm afraid I don't have an immigration date.  However,
> he died in Louisville, KY in 1846, the father of 2 young children.  
>
> Thank you so much for your help.
>
> Cristie
> creed(a)artic.edu
>
>
I'm sorry, I have not this names or like this.

Werner
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Homfeld

Date: 1999/07/09 02:06:31
From: Glenn Homfeld <jhomfeld(a)earthlink.net>

Werner. I gather from the emails I have been seeing. That you have
access to a cd.I am looking for Dirk Abraham Homfeld. left Grimersum
Emden Dist. abt 1878 Can you look for me
Thanks
Jean Homfeld


Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/09 06:50:47
From: BettyKirk <BettyKirk(a)aol.com>

Is there any reference to Faber? Catherine Faber came to America in 1855 (at 
the age of 19; perhaps she was already married to Georg Voige). Catherine's 
mother Elizabeth Kuhlmann Faber immigrated in 1856, arriving in Baltimore on 
8 October with her son Henry Alfred Faber and perhaps other children.

Thank you.

RE: Looking for book

Date: 1999/07/09 13:02:02
From: JuJuBean11 <JuJuBean11(a)aol.com>

Hi group!

I am looking for the following book? that was a source of immigration 
information on Broderbund's Passenger & Immigration Lists Index, 1538 - 1940 
(CD#354):

STUEVE, DAVID LUDWIG; "List of Emigrants from the Church Parish of Venne (in 
former Kingdom of Hannover) to the USA after 1830 as recorded by Pastor David 
Ludwig Stueve in the church books for 1808 - 1843 of the (Ev. Luth.) Church 
Parish of Venne" (or "Verzeichnis der aus der Kirchengemeinde Venne ab 
1830......").  In Germanic Genealogist (Augustan Society, Torrance, CA), no. 
26 (1983), pp. 377-393.

This is exactly how the source was listed on the CD.  I don't know if it was 
originally a book published that the Germanic Genealogist was writing an 
article about?

Any clues where I can get a copy of the original book/article?

Any help is appreciated!

Julie Ploehn-Vigna

RE: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/09 14:09:16
From: Lopez-Buitrago, Anne <ALopez-Buitrago(a)neh.gov>

My ggg-granfather's name was Henry Kues b. 1826, his wife's name was Ricca
b. 1827.  They had two sons born in Germany: Henry Kues b. Sept 1847 and
Frank b. 1854.  They came to the US between 1855 and 1857.

Many thanks for any information.

Anne 

-----Original Message-----
From: Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de [mailto:Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:37 PM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: Re: Tenfelde book


Lopez-Buitrago, Anne schrieb:
> Could you please see if the name KUES appears in the Tenfelde book?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Anne
>
> alopez-buitrago(a)neh.gov

Yes it shows 7 Kues, what is the firstname?

Werner
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Re: Church address

Date: 1999/07/09 15:53:31
From: Jim Eggert <EggertJ(a)ll.mit.edu>

Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net> wrote:

> I have an ancestor married at Rehburg near Hanover and it says he was 
> born in Minden in 1801.

Remember that at that time, Minden was not only a city but also a
principality that encompassed a larger area.  So your search in the
city of Minden (and I assume some of the immediately surrounding
villages) may not be sufficient to exclude the principality of Minden.

-- 
=Jim Eggert   EggertJ(a)LL.mit.edu

RE: Looking for book

Date: 1999/07/09 17:15:00
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>On 9 Jul 99, at 7:01, JuJuBean11(a)aol.com wrote about RE:  Looking for book:


<color><param>FF00,0000,0000</param> In Germanic Genealogist (Augustan

> Society, Torrance, CA), no. 26 (1983), pp. 377-393.

> 

> This is exactly how the source was listed on the CD.  I don't know if it

> was originally a book published that the Germanic Genealogist was writing

> an article about?

> 

> Any clues where I can get a copy of the original book/article?


</color>Why not contact the Augustan Society directly? Write to:

<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>{HYPERLINK "mailto:rcleve(a)sprynet.com"}

rcleve(a)sprynet.com



Fred</color><FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>

<nofill>
26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/09 17:36:06
From: Jinglekat2 <Jinglekat2(a)aol.com>

Werner, would there be a reference in the book for the family GOEDEKE.  My 
gt. grandmother Dorthy, was born about 1850.  Her son Adolph SIEVERS spelled 
her name this way on his originial application for Social Security.  Thank 
you, you are very generous to do this for us.  Ginni

...no subject...

Date: 1999/07/09 18:23:51
From: JRiegel <JRiegel(a)swri.edu>

Good morning,

I recently joined this listing and this is my first posting.  I hope that it is
 appropriate to provide this level of information.  If not, please feel free to
 set me straight on list etiquette.   A number of my direct ancestors are
reportedly from Hanover (or Hannover).  I seem to find it spelled both ways in
the records that I have.  I am including the little I know about one line of
ancestors.  I would appreciate any hints on how to search farther back on the
Magers line.  Obviously, I would also appreciate any additional information on
this family.  

Thanks,

Jack Riegel 
jriegel(a)swri.org
210 522-3181
www.swri.org

Ancestors of Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers


Generation No. 1

	1.  Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, born September 06, 1806 in Hehlesdurf,
Hanover, Germany; died 1860 in Blanco Co., Texas.  He married (1) Marie
Dorothee Wilhelmine Luersen September 16, 1831 in Mariensee, Hanover, Germany. 
 She was the daughter of Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Luersen and Catharine
Dorothee Pfingsten.

More About Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers:
Cause of Death: Killed by indians near county line, Blanco Co., Texas
Fact 3: Blanco Co., Texas, where he was killed
	
Children of Heinrich Magers and Marie Luersen are:
		i.	Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr., born February 15, 1843 in
Hehlesdurf, Hanover, Germany; died March 09, 1911 in San Antonio, Texas;
married Louisa Zimmerman September 26, 1869 in Kendall County, Texas.

Notes for Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr.:
Henry Magers served in the Union Army.  He enlisted on February 1, 1864 at
Brownsville, Texas, in Company A, 1st Texas Cavalry, and was mustered out
October 31, 1865 at San Antonio, Texas.  His saber is owned by Robert E. (Bob)
Magers of Boerne, Texas.  (Robert is Henry's great-grandson.)


More About Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr.:
Fact 1: September 15, 1867, Declaration of Citizenship, Kendall County
Fact 2: October 15, 1855, Landed in Galveston, Texas

		ii.	Wilhelmina Magers, born Abt. 1838 in Prussia; married Adolph Haag
September 10, 1859 in Comal, Texas.

Notes for Wilhelmina Magers:
Her full name may have been Louise Marie Wilhelmine Magers according to Joan
Jones in Blanco, Texas.

		iii.	Carolina Magers, married Casper Hoffards.
		iv.	Louis Magers.

More About Louis Magers:

		v.	Louise Dorothee Wilhelmine Charlotte Magers, born September 24, 1835 in
Hanover, Germany; died December 29, 1899 in Waring, Texas; married Johann
Gottfried Haufler.


Notes for Johann Gottfried Haufler:
John and his wife Louise Magers immigrated to Texas from Wuerttemberg, Germany.
  They arrived in Galveston  on February 1, 1858.



More About Johann Gottfried Haufler:
Fact 1: February 01, 1858, Immigrated to Galveston

		vi.	Wilhelmine Christine Dorothee Magers, born June 22, 1833 in Hanover,
Germany; died March 28, 1903 in Family Cemetery; married Karl Heinrich Ludwig
Ferdinand Bartels January 01, 1854 in Mariensee, Hanover, Germany.

More About Karl Heinrich Ludwig Ferdinand Bartels:
Fact 1: 1845, Came to Texas on ship "George Dillus"1
Fact 2: July 20, 1860, Bought 100 acres on the Guadalupe River near Esser
Crossing1

		vii.	Henriette Dorothee Marie Magers, born April 23, 1832 in Hanover,
Germany; died July 27, 1832 in Hanover, Germany.
		viii.	Louise Marie Wilhelmine Magers, born September 27, 1838 in Hanover,
Germany; died in Texas.
		ix.	Hanna Katharine Karoline Magers, born December 10, 1840 in Hanover,
Germany; died in Texas.
		x.	Dorothee Sophie Charlotte Magers, born April 29, 1845 in Hanover, Germany;
 died October 19, 1850 in Hanover, Germany.
		xi.	Carl Ludwig Wilhelm Magers, born October 29, 1847 in Hanover, Germany;
died October 01, 1930 in Boerne, Kendall Co., Texas; married Hermina Von Donop
February 03, 1878 in Sisterdale, Texas.


		xii.	Louise Wilhelmine Sophie Magers, born December 20, 1849 in Hanover,
Germany; died March 08, 1850 in Hanover, Germany.
		xiii.	Louise Dorothee Charlotte Magers, born July 17, 1851 in Hanover,
Germany; died September 08, 1941 in Texas; married Friedrich Louis Haag
December 25, 1867.




Re: ...no subject...

Date: 1999/07/09 19:58:01
From: Gladys Eichelberger <geichel(a)adams.net>

Have you seen the book "They Came to a New Land" or something close to that.
It has quite a bit of information about Germans who located in Texas.  If
you family isn't in it, it still makes good reading as it tells of their
experiences and how they were treated and how they managed to survive in a
totally foreign climate, etc.  I don't have the author's name here right
now, but I can find it if anyone is interested in the book.  I know there is
a copy in the Quincy, Illinois, Public Library.

Gladys
geichel(a)adams.net
----- Original Message -----
From: <JRiegel(a)swri.edu>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:23 AM
Subject: ...no subject...


> Good morning,
>
> I recently joined this listing and this is my first posting.  I hope that
it is
>  appropriate to provide this level of information.  If not, please feel
free to
>  set me straight on list etiquette.   A number of my direct ancestors are
> reportedly from Hanover (or Hannover).  I seem to find it spelled both
ways in
> the records that I have.  I am including the little I know about one line
of
> ancestors.  I would appreciate any hints on how to search farther back on
the
> Magers line.  Obviously, I would also appreciate any additional
information on
> this family.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack Riegel
> jriegel(a)swri.org
> 210 522-3181
> www.swri.org
>
> Ancestors of Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1.  Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, born September 06, 1806 in
Hehlesdurf,
> Hanover, Germany; died 1860 in Blanco Co., Texas.  He married (1) Marie
> Dorothee Wilhelmine Luersen September 16, 1831 in Mariensee, Hanover,
Germany.
>  She was the daughter of Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Luersen and Catharine
> Dorothee Pfingsten.
>
> More About Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers:
> Cause of Death: Killed by indians near county line, Blanco Co., Texas
> Fact 3: Blanco Co., Texas, where he was killed
>
> Children of Heinrich Magers and Marie Luersen are:
> i. Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr., born February 15, 1843 in
> Hehlesdurf, Hanover, Germany; died March 09, 1911 in San Antonio, Texas;
> married Louisa Zimmerman September 26, 1869 in Kendall County, Texas.
>
> Notes for Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr.:
> Henry Magers served in the Union Army.  He enlisted on February 1, 1864 at
> Brownsville, Texas, in Company A, 1st Texas Cavalry, and was mustered out
> October 31, 1865 at San Antonio, Texas.  His saber is owned by Robert E.
(Bob)
> Magers of Boerne, Texas.  (Robert is Henry's great-grandson.)
>
>
> More About Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr.:
> Fact 1: September 15, 1867, Declaration of Citizenship, Kendall County
> Fact 2: October 15, 1855, Landed in Galveston, Texas
>
> ii. Wilhelmina Magers, born Abt. 1838 in Prussia; married Adolph Haag
> September 10, 1859 in Comal, Texas.
>
> Notes for Wilhelmina Magers:
> Her full name may have been Louise Marie Wilhelmine Magers according to
Joan
> Jones in Blanco, Texas.
>
> iii. Carolina Magers, married Casper Hoffards.
> iv. Louis Magers.
>
> More About Louis Magers:
>
> v. Louise Dorothee Wilhelmine Charlotte Magers, born September 24, 1835 in
> Hanover, Germany; died December 29, 1899 in Waring, Texas; married Johann
> Gottfried Haufler.
>
>
> Notes for Johann Gottfried Haufler:
> John and his wife Louise Magers immigrated to Texas from Wuerttemberg,
Germany.
>   They arrived in Galveston  on February 1, 1858.
>
>
>
> More About Johann Gottfried Haufler:
> Fact 1: February 01, 1858, Immigrated to Galveston
>
> vi. Wilhelmine Christine Dorothee Magers, born June 22, 1833 in Hanover,
> Germany; died March 28, 1903 in Family Cemetery; married Karl Heinrich
Ludwig
> Ferdinand Bartels January 01, 1854 in Mariensee, Hanover, Germany.
>
> More About Karl Heinrich Ludwig Ferdinand Bartels:
> Fact 1: 1845, Came to Texas on ship "George Dillus"1
> Fact 2: July 20, 1860, Bought 100 acres on the Guadalupe River near Esser
> Crossing1
>
> vii. Henriette Dorothee Marie Magers, born April 23, 1832 in Hanover,
> Germany; died July 27, 1832 in Hanover, Germany.
> viii. Louise Marie Wilhelmine Magers, born September 27, 1838 in Hanover,
> Germany; died in Texas.
> ix. Hanna Katharine Karoline Magers, born December 10, 1840 in Hanover,
> Germany; died in Texas.
> x. Dorothee Sophie Charlotte Magers, born April 29, 1845 in Hanover,
Germany;
>  died October 19, 1850 in Hanover, Germany.
> xi. Carl Ludwig Wilhelm Magers, born October 29, 1847 in Hanover, Germany;
> died October 01, 1930 in Boerne, Kendall Co., Texas; married Hermina Von
Donop
> February 03, 1878 in Sisterdale, Texas.
>
>
> xii. Louise Wilhelmine Sophie Magers, born December 20, 1849 in Hanover,
> Germany; died March 08, 1850 in Hanover, Germany.
> xiii. Louise Dorothee Charlotte Magers, born July 17, 1851 in Hanover,
> Germany; died September 08, 1941 in Texas; married Friedrich Louis Haag
> December 25, 1867.
>
>
>
>


I'm out'a here

Date: 1999/07/09 20:17:37
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

Hi,

I'm off to Oklahoma and Missouri for a bit and probably won't 
monitor these pages until my return around the 22nd. Urgend stuff 
can be sent to wfrump(a)aol.com as I'll keep in touch there via the 
800 line.

So behave yourselves and don't bounce too many messages. It 
seems that lately there has been a flood of non-textual data (html 
and mime) stuff being posted and allof that never reaches the list 
but rather bouces tome. Last time I was gone for a a little over a 
week I had 990 messages when I got back.So have mercy on me 
and don't do that again.

Fred


26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: ...no subject...

Date: 1999/07/09 21:05:48
From: HeideB <heide.b(a)cwix.com>

Hannover is the correct spelling for Hannover, Germany, however, translated
into English it become Hanover.  I am new on this list too, but I was born
in Hannover.  Heide
----- Original Message -----
From: <JRiegel(a)swri.edu>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 12:23 PM
Subject: ...no subject...


> Good morning,
>
> I recently joined this listing and this is my first posting.  I hope that
it is
>  appropriate to provide this level of information.  If not, please feel
free to
>  set me straight on list etiquette.   A number of my direct ancestors are
> reportedly from Hanover (or Hannover).  I seem to find it spelled both
ways in
> the records that I have.  I am including the little I know about one line
of
> ancestors.  I would appreciate any hints on how to search farther back on
the
> Magers line.  Obviously, I would also appreciate any additional
information on
> this family.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack Riegel
> jriegel(a)swri.org
> 210 522-3181
> www.swri.org
>
> Ancestors of Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1.  Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, born September 06, 1806 in
Hehlesdurf,
> Hanover, Germany; died 1860 in Blanco Co., Texas.  He married (1) Marie
> Dorothee Wilhelmine Luersen September 16, 1831 in Mariensee, Hanover,
Germany.
>  She was the daughter of Johann Friedrich Wilhelm Luersen and Catharine
> Dorothee Pfingsten.
>
> More About Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers:
> Cause of Death: Killed by indians near county line, Blanco Co., Texas
> Fact 3: Blanco Co., Texas, where he was killed
>
> Children of Heinrich Magers and Marie Luersen are:
> i. Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr., born February 15, 1843 in
> Hehlesdurf, Hanover, Germany; died March 09, 1911 in San Antonio, Texas;
> married Louisa Zimmerman September 26, 1869 in Kendall County, Texas.
>
> Notes for Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr.:
> Henry Magers served in the Union Army.  He enlisted on February 1, 1864 at
> Brownsville, Texas, in Company A, 1st Texas Cavalry, and was mustered out
> October 31, 1865 at San Antonio, Texas.  His saber is owned by Robert E.
(Bob)
> Magers of Boerne, Texas.  (Robert is Henry's great-grandson.)
>
>
> More About Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, Jr.:
> Fact 1: September 15, 1867, Declaration of Citizenship, Kendall County
> Fact 2: October 15, 1855, Landed in Galveston, Texas
>
> ii. Wilhelmina Magers, born Abt. 1838 in Prussia; married Adolph Haag
> September 10, 1859 in Comal, Texas.
>
> Notes for Wilhelmina Magers:
> Her full name may have been Louise Marie Wilhelmine Magers according to
Joan
> Jones in Blanco, Texas.
>
> iii. Carolina Magers, married Casper Hoffards.
> iv. Louis Magers.
>
> More About Louis Magers:
>
> v. Louise Dorothee Wilhelmine Charlotte Magers, born September 24, 1835 in
> Hanover, Germany; died December 29, 1899 in Waring, Texas; married Johann
> Gottfried Haufler.
>
>
> Notes for Johann Gottfried Haufler:
> John and his wife Louise Magers immigrated to Texas from Wuerttemberg,
Germany.
>   They arrived in Galveston  on February 1, 1858.
>
>
>
> More About Johann Gottfried Haufler:
> Fact 1: February 01, 1858, Immigrated to Galveston
>
> vi. Wilhelmine Christine Dorothee Magers, born June 22, 1833 in Hanover,
> Germany; died March 28, 1903 in Family Cemetery; married Karl Heinrich
Ludwig
> Ferdinand Bartels January 01, 1854 in Mariensee, Hanover, Germany.
>
> More About Karl Heinrich Ludwig Ferdinand Bartels:
> Fact 1: 1845, Came to Texas on ship "George Dillus"1
> Fact 2: July 20, 1860, Bought 100 acres on the Guadalupe River near Esser
> Crossing1
>
> vii. Henriette Dorothee Marie Magers, born April 23, 1832 in Hanover,
> Germany; died July 27, 1832 in Hanover, Germany.
> viii. Louise Marie Wilhelmine Magers, born September 27, 1838 in Hanover,
> Germany; died in Texas.
> ix. Hanna Katharine Karoline Magers, born December 10, 1840 in Hanover,
> Germany; died in Texas.
> x. Dorothee Sophie Charlotte Magers, born April 29, 1845 in Hanover,
Germany;
>  died October 19, 1850 in Hanover, Germany.
> xi. Carl Ludwig Wilhelm Magers, born October 29, 1847 in Hanover, Germany;
> died October 01, 1930 in Boerne, Kendall Co., Texas; married Hermina Von
Donop
> February 03, 1878 in Sisterdale, Texas.
>
>
> xii. Louise Wilhelmine Sophie Magers, born December 20, 1849 in Hanover,
> Germany; died March 08, 1850 in Hanover, Germany.
> xiii. Louise Dorothee Charlotte Magers, born July 17, 1851 in Hanover,
> Germany; died September 08, 1941 in Texas; married Friedrich Louis Haag
> December 25, 1867.
>
>
>
>


Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/09 22:42:43
From: Ernestine Wark <ekraw(a)webtv.net>

Hi,

I am intereste in the name GOEDEKE which you are tracing.  I have a Carl
August GOEDEKE/GOEDECKE born in 1852 in Nienburg.  He was the 2nd
husband of my grandmother's sister.  They had emigrated in Hawaii around
1883.

Any connection?
Ernestine Wark, researching GIESEKING, EBELING, GOEDEKE, BUSCH, KUEHNE


Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/10 00:09:41
From: Po. Co. Literacy <mthompson(a)imine.net>

Hi,
    If you wouldn't mind checking, I'm interested in the following
surnames:
            WILLENBROCK, Mary Elizabeth       b. ?  - probably
Osnabrueck
            CRANBURG, Anna              b. 1825 in Osnabrueck
These two women married brothers and emigrated to U.S.    1850-1858
    Thank you for your help....Megan


Re: Looking for book

Date: 1999/07/10 01:00:12
From: James Maxeiner <maxeiner(a)worldnet.att.net>

The Library of Congress maintains a site that lists library catalogues that
are available on line. You can go to these catalogues and look for the book.
Location listings also can be found in the National Union Catalogue,
available in many larger libraries.

----- Original Message -----
From: <JuJuBean11(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 7:01 AM
Subject: RE: Looking for book


> Hi group!
>
> I am looking for the following book? that was a source of immigration
> information on Broderbund's Passenger & Immigration Lists Index, 1538 -
1940
> (CD#354):
>
> STUEVE, DAVID LUDWIG; "List of Emigrants from the Church Parish of Venne
(in
> former Kingdom of Hannover) to the USA after 1830 as recorded by Pastor
David
> Ludwig Stueve in the church books for 1808 - 1843 of the (Ev. Luth.)
Church
> Parish of Venne" (or "Verzeichnis der aus der Kirchengemeinde Venne ab
> 1830......").  In Germanic Genealogist (Augustan Society, Torrance, CA),
no.
> 26 (1983), pp. 377-393.
>
> This is exactly how the source was listed on the CD.  I don't know if it
was
> originally a book published that the Germanic Genealogist was writing an
> article about?
>
> Any clues where I can get a copy of the original book/article?
>
> Any help is appreciated!
>
> Julie Ploehn-Vigna


Hannover

Date: 1999/07/10 02:51:23
From: HeideB <heide.b(a)cwix.com>

I am looking for my father's original birth certificate from Hannover.  He
was born with the name Brackman, received his stepfather's name of Brandes
at age 10.  He was not adopted.  However, when I write for the birth
certificate for Brackmann, I receive one for Brandes.  Somehow they must be
cross referenced.  Anybody have any ideas as to what I can do?   Heide


Re: I'm out'a here

Date: 1999/07/10 03:57:14
From: SHAR1313 <SHAR1313(a)aol.com>

Have a wonderful trip!  We'll miss ya!
~Sharon Kroeger Howes

Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/10 06:52:39
From: karlyb <karlyb(a)rocketmail.com>

Could you please look for the name STIFAL in
your book? Thank you.
karlene

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Re: Homfeld

Date: 1999/07/10 09:15:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Glenn Homfeld schrieb:
> Werner. I gather from the emails I have been seeing. That you have
> access to a cd.I am looking for Dirk Abraham Homfeld. left Grimersum
> Emden Dist. abt 1878 Can you look for me
> Thanks
> Jean Homfeld
>
I'm sorry, but the Tenfelde book shows not your name.
The Tenfelde covered the former county Lingen, Grimersum is located in 
Ostfriesland.

Werner
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Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/10 09:15:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Jinglekat2(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Werner, would there be a reference in the book for the family GOEDEKE.  My 
> gt. grandmother Dorthy, was born about 1850.  Her son Adolph SIEVERS spelled 
> her name this way on his originial application for Social Security.  Thank 
> you, you are very generous to do this for us.  Ginni

I'm sorry, Goedeke is not included. I have some Sievers, but not an Adolph or 
like this.

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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/10 09:15:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Lopez-Buitrago, Anne schrieb:
> My ggg-granfather's name was Henry Kues b. 1826, his wife's name was Ricca
> b. 1827.  They had two sons born in Germany: Henry Kues b. Sept 1847 and
> Frank b. 1854.  They came to the US between 1855 and 1857.
>

I'm sorry, this firstname or birth dates are not in the Tenfelde book.
May be your ancestors came from the "Kirchspiel Lingen", because the source for 
all Kues is the church book of Lingen.

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Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/10 09:15:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Po. Co. Literacy schrieb:
> Hi,
>     If you wouldn't mind checking, I'm interested in the following
> surnames:
>             WILLENBROCK, Mary Elizabeth       b. ?  - probably
> Osnabrueck
>             CRANBURG, Anna              b. 1825 in Osnabrueck
> These two women married brothers and emigrated to U.S.    1850-1858
>     Thank you for your help....Megan
>

I'm sorry, I have not this names.


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Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/10 09:18:15
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

karlyb schrieb:
> Could you please look for the name STIFAL in
> your book? Thank you.
> karlene
>
> _________________________________________________________
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> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
I'm Sorry, I have not the name Stifal or like this.

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Tenefelde Book-Klubertanz

Date: 1999/07/10 21:56:08
From: Kjag786 <Kjag786(a)aol.com>

Werner,
I would appreciate your looking up Anton KLUBERTANZ or Franz KLUBERTANZ.  
Thank you for your help.
Kristy
Kjag786(a)aol.com

Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/10 23:08:56
From: Carolyn Bening <cbening(a)socket.net>

Hello Mona,
Now I am curious.  Apparently, the Sachteleben line originally carried the
Johannesmeier surname until they purchased a farm ("hof") from two
unmarried sisters named Sachteleben.  So now I need to check out these
marriages you mention in Fayette County.  I assumed all of these family
members remained in Washington County, but we should never assume anything.
Right/
Thanks for your note.  Do you have any specific names, dates for these
marriages?  Or specific references I can check for the information?
Carolyn in Missouri


----------
> From: mona_houser(a)juno.com
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Tenfelde book
> Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 2:31 PM
> 
> Hi Carolyn,
> 
> Do you have roots in Fayette Co., IL?  I descend from SASSE and SCHUKAR
> there, and I know that there were marriages with Sachtlebe and
> Johannsmier.
> 
> Just curious.
> 
> 
> A fellow Missourian,
> 
> Mona
> 
> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:00:16 -0500 "Carolyn Bening" <cbening(a)socket.net>
> writes:
> >Does the Tenfelde reference include any of these family names from 
> >the
> >Bramsche area, specifically from Engter, Venne, Schleptrup?
> >BUENING, TEPE, SACHTLEBEN, JOHANNESMIER, RENNEGARBE
> >Thank you for your time in looking up these names.  
> >
> >Carolyn Huttegger Bening
> >Jefferson City, Missouri
> 
> Mona_Houser(a)juno.com
> 
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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/10 23:21:20
From: Carolyn Bening <cbening(a)socket.net>

Thank you, Werner, for checking on the family names.  I have located some
of the Büning individuals in the Venne, Hannover church records, but
several individuals are elusive, even after checking the Engter records. 
What does this inclusion of these 13 Buning and 1 Tepe references in the
Tenfelde book indicate for future research?  Are there other references I
can now check since they are included in this book?  Thank you .
Carolyn Bening in Missouri
----------
> From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Tenfelde book
> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 1:58 PM
> 
> Carolyn Bening schrieb:
> > Does the Tenfelde reference include any of these family names from the
> > Bramsche area, specifically from Engter, Venne, Schleptrup?
> > BUENING, TEPE, SACHTLEBEN, JOHANNESMIER, RENNEGARBE
> > Thank you for your time in looking up these names.  
> >
> > Carolyn Huttegger Bening
> > Jefferson City, Missouri
> 
> I have 13 Büning, 1 Tepe Johann Bernard, not the other names.
> 
> Werner
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Looking for book

Date: 1999/07/10 23:33:39
From: Carolyn Bening <cbening(a)socket.net>

I, too, would be very interested in looking at this reference since my
search for family names has taken me to Venne Evangelical Church, Venne,
Hannover where several branches of Buenings, Tepes, and Sachtlebens were
recorded.  
Thank you.
Carolyn Bening in Missouri 

----------
> From: JuJuBean11(a)aol.com
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: RE:  Looking for book
> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 6:01 AM
> 
> Hi group!
> 
> I am looking for the following book? that was a source of immigration 
> information on Broderbund's Passenger & Immigration Lists Index, 1538 -
1940 
> (CD#354):
> 
> STUEVE, DAVID LUDWIG; "List of Emigrants from the Church Parish of Venne
(in 
> former Kingdom of Hannover) to the USA after 1830 as recorded by Pastor
David 
> Ludwig Stueve in the church books for 1808 - 1843 of the (Ev. Luth.)
Church 
> Parish of Venne" (or "Verzeichnis der aus der Kirchengemeinde Venne ab 
> 1830......").  In Germanic Genealogist (Augustan Society, Torrance, CA),
no. 
> 26 (1983), pp. 377-393.
> 
> This is exactly how the source was listed on the CD.  I don't know if it
was 
> originally a book published that the Germanic Genealogist was writing an 
> article about?
> 
> Any clues where I can get a copy of the original book/article?
> 
> Any help is appreciated!
> 
> Julie Ploehn-Vigna

Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/11 00:02:02
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Dear Fellow Listers:
I am interested in hearing from any descendants of the Rohde family of the 
Hannover/Hildesheim areas of what was formerly Prussia.  In specific I am in 
search of information on the family of Theodore Henry Rohde, son of Ludwig, 
who was a tax collector.  He was born October 14, 1831 in Hannover and 
attended medical school in Hildesia, where he got his doctorate.
He served in the Prussian Army as a surgeon and was knighted. He escaped 
Prussia before he was to be executed and fled to Mexico and then to the U.S. 
through the port of Indianola, later moving to Brownsville and Galveston.  He 
practiced medicine in Galveston, until his death in December 12, 1886 from 
Chronic Alcoholism.
If anyone has any information regarding Theodore and his family before or 
after immigration and/or their whereabouts before immigration (while they 
were still in Prussia), I would appreciate hearing from you!

Sincerely,
Tanya G. Kloesel

Re: Looking for book

Date: 1999/07/11 00:49:21
From: david l heller <dlheller(a)fuse.net>

You might check with the OHIO BOOKSTORE, I think on Main Street in Cincinnati,
Ohio. I understand they purchased the Tenfelde book and others from the area.
I need phone and address I can get.
Dave in Cincy  (not sure if they have internet site)

Carolyn Bening wrote:

> I, too, would be very interested in looking at this reference since my
> search for family names has taken me to Venne Evangelical Church, Venne,
> Hannover where several branches of Buenings, Tepes, and Sachtlebens were
> recorded.
> Thank you.
> Carolyn Bening in Missouri
>
> ----------
> > From: JuJuBean11(a)aol.com
> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > Subject: RE:  Looking for book
> > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 6:01 AM
> >
> > Hi group!
> >
> > I am looking for the following book? that was a source of immigration
> > information on Broderbund's Passenger & Immigration Lists Index, 1538 -
> 1940
> > (CD#354):
> >
> > STUEVE, DAVID LUDWIG; "List of Emigrants from the Church Parish of Venne
> (in
> > former Kingdom of Hannover) to the USA after 1830 as recorded by Pastor
> David
> > Ludwig Stueve in the church books for 1808 - 1843 of the (Ev. Luth.)
> Church
> > Parish of Venne" (or "Verzeichnis der aus der Kirchengemeinde Venne ab
> > 1830......").  In Germanic Genealogist (Augustan Society, Torrance, CA),
> no.
> > 26 (1983), pp. 377-393.
> >
> > This is exactly how the source was listed on the CD.  I don't know if it
> was
> > originally a book published that the Germanic Genealogist was writing an
> > article about?
> >
> > Any clues where I can get a copy of the original book/article?
> >
> > Any help is appreciated!
> >
> > Julie Ploehn-Vigna




Fayette Co. IL

Date: 1999/07/11 04:14:56
From: mona_houser <mona_houser(a)juno.com>

Hi Carolyn,

I have some back issues of Fayette Facts, the ones that deal with
Wilberton Twp -- St. Paul and Augsburg Lutheran churches.  I'll have to
dig them out to find the specifics.

I can probably do that in the next week.  Bug me about it if I don't get
back to you in that time. <g>
 
BTW,  there were a number of people from Washington Co who became part of
those 2 Lutheran churches.  A number also came down from Dodge Co. WI.

Mona

On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:12:45 -0500 "Carolyn Bening" <cbening(a)socket.net>
writes:
>Hello Mona,
>Now I am curious.  Apparently, the Sachteleben line originally carried 
>the
>Johannesmeier surname until they purchased a farm ("hof") from two
>unmarried sisters named Sachteleben.  So now I need to check out 
>these
>marriages you mention in Fayette County.  I assumed all of these 
>family
>members remained in Washington County, but we should never assume 
>anything.
>Right/
>Thanks for your note.  Do you have any specific names, dates for 
>these
>marriages?  Or specific references I can check for the information?
>Carolyn in Missouri
>
>
>----------
>> From: mona_houser(a)juno.com
>> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>> Subject: Re: Tenfelde book
>> Date: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 2:31 PM
>> 
>> Hi Carolyn,
>> 
>> Do you have roots in Fayette Co., IL?  I descend from SASSE and 
>SCHUKAR
>> there, and I know that there were marriages with Sachtlebe and
>> Johannsmier.
>> 
>> Just curious.
>> 
>> 
>> A fellow Missourian,
>> 
>> Mona
>> 
>> On Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:00:16 -0500 "Carolyn Bening" 
><cbening(a)socket.net>
>> writes:
>> >Does the Tenfelde reference include any of these family names from 
>
>> >the
>> >Bramsche area, specifically from Engter, Venne, Schleptrup?
>> >BUENING, TEPE, SACHTLEBEN, JOHANNESMIER, RENNEGARBE
>> >Thank you for your time in looking up these names.  
>> >
>> >Carolyn Huttegger Bening
>> >Jefferson City, Missouri
>> 
>> Mona_Houser(a)juno.com
>> 
>> ___________________________________________________________________
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>> Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month!
>> Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

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Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/11 04:41:25
From: John Block <jblock(a)adams.net>

Dear Werner,
I got onto this thread late because of computer problems.
Can you briefly tell me about this book?  What does it have listed in it?
Is it specific to a certain region of Hannover?

John Block
Researching Block, Ahring, Luhring, Homeyer, Kahle, Grothaus, Hecker,
Niemann, Brockmann, Blume, Kohlmeier, Staffhorst,
Speckmann, Stroh, Wohlerman.....all from Hannover


Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/11 05:33:32
From: Trimpcca <Trimpcca(a)aol.com>

Werner-  Thanks for all your work, Would you please check in the Tenfelde 
book for a Gehart Trimpe?  He left Gehrde in 1850 and went to Cinn. Ohio by 
way of New Orleans.  He eventually ended up in Iowa.
Thanks again Allen Trimpe 

Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/11 13:49:28
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

karlyb schrieb:
> Could you please look for the name STIFAL in
> your book? Thank you.
> karlene
>

The name Stifal is in Germany not present, but the phone book shows 109 
addresses of Stifel in south of Germany only: www.teleauskunft.de

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Re: ...no subject...

Date: 1999/07/11 13:49:33
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

JRiegel(a)swri.edu schrieb:

> 	1.  Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, born September 06, 1806 in 
Hehlesdurf,
> Hanover, Germany; died 1860 in Blanco Co., Texas.  He married (1) Marie
> Dorothee Wilhelmine Luersen September 16, 1831 in Mariensee, Hanover,
>  Germany. 

Hehlesdurf is not present in Germany, maybe it is an older spelling of Helstorf.
Helstorf and Mariensee are parts of the small town NEUSTADT am Rübenberge, 
county Hannover. Located about 20 km (13 miles) north-west of Hannover city, 
near the lake "Steinhuder Meer".

Werner
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Re: Magers again

Date: 1999/07/11 13:52:00
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

JRiegel(a)swri.edu schrieb:

> 	1.  Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Magers, born September 06, 1806 in 
Hehlesdurf,
> Hanover, Germany; died 1860 in Blanco Co., Texas.  He married (1) Marie
> Dorothee Wilhelmine Luersen September 16, 1831 in Mariensee, Hanover,
>  Germany. 

Hehlesdurf is not present in Germany, maybe it is an older spelling of Helstorf.
Helstorf and Mariensee are parts of the small town NEUSTADT am Rübenberge, 
county Hannover. Located about 20 km (13 miles) north-west of Hannover city, 
near the lake "Steinhuder Meer".

---> The phone book shows 6 addresses of Magers in Neustadt a.R.:
www.teleauskunft.de

Werner
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Tenfelde book of county Lingen

Date: 1999/07/11 17:44:00
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

To hannover-lists member,

If you ask for name of the Tenfelde book, you should be shure that this name 
came from former county Lingen (ehemaligem Landkreis Lingen).
This book covered only the emigrants of this region.

Werner
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Re: Tenfelde book

Date: 1999/07/12 02:25:24
From: Jeanne Mueller <chuckkid(a)cris.com>

Could you please look up William Heuer b. March 1848 in Hanover, emigrated
to England between 1876 and 1880, emigrated to USA 1890.  Thank you.

Jeanne Mueller
Exeter, New Hampshire, USA




HEUER/Schultz

Date: 1999/07/12 02:38:20
From: Jeanne Mueller <chuckkid(a)cris.com>

I am looking for information for my great-grandfather William Heuer.
Only have information saying he was from Hannover (do not know if this
was the Kingdom of Hannover or the City of Hannover).  William was born
March 1848.  Married a Catharina Schutlz who had a son named John Henry
Schultz, which may or may not have been the son of William (both stories
exist in the family).  William and Catharina had two daughters in
Germany, Anna, born July 19, 1873, and Elizabeth Heuer born in1876.
They immigrated to Liverpool England between 1876 and 1880.  William and
Catharina had two more children in Liverpool, Frieda Heuer, born
September 1880 and William Henry Heuer born May 16, 1883.  The family
immigrated in 1890 to New York and eventually ended up in New Jersey.

Family legend has it that William belonged to a regiment that only had
single, blond, blue eyed men in it.  We do have a medal (I haven't seen
it but my mother has and no seems to know what happened to it) that he
received while in the Kaisers Army.  He left as he wanted to marry and
was not happy with the Kaiser.

I am at a dead end on this side of the "pond" and have been searching
for a clue for the past 5 years so ANY help from anyone would be
appreciated.

Sorry this was so long but I hope someone can help me.

Thank you.

Jeanne Mueller
Exeter, New Hampshire USA


Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/12 04:00:04
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Folks, 

My computer has been down and I think I have missed something.  Can anyone 
tell me what this Tenefelde Book is?

Would appreciate the information!

-Tanya 
Austin, TX

Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/12 04:06:09
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Dear Fellow Listers:
I am interested in hearing from any descendants of the Rohde family of the 
Hannover/Hildesheim areas of what was formerly Prussia.  In specific I am in 
search of information on the family of Theodore Henry Rohde, son of Ludwig, 
who was a tax collector.  He was born October 14, 1831 in Hannover and 
attended medical school in Hildesia, where he got his doctorate.
He served in the Prussian Army as a surgeon and was knighted. He escaped 
Prussia before he was to be executed and fled to Mexico and then to the U.S. 
through the port of Indianola, later moving to Brownsville and Galveston.  He 
practiced medicine in Galveston, until his death in December 12, 1886 from 
Chronic Alcoholism.
If anyone has any information regarding Theodore and his family before or 
after immigration and/or their whereabouts before immigration (while they 
were still in Prussia), I would appreciate hearing from you!

Sincerely,
Tanya G. Kloesel

Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/12 04:09:59
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Dear Fellow Listers:

This is a correction to the query I sent regarding Theodore Rohde.  He 
attended medical school at the University in Gottingen, not Hildesia.

Thanks to anyone out there with any info. and/or suggestions.

Sincerely,
Tanya Kloesel

Re: Hannover

Date: 1999/07/12 06:35:27
From: RCampb1437 <RCampb1437(a)aol.com>

Am looking for a Gustav Brandes who was my great-great-grandfather's 
naturalization sponsor in Brooklyn in 1873. Any connection? Sincerely, Robert 
Campbell, descendant of Wilhelm Ludolph. RCampb1437(a)aol.com

Re: ...no subject...

Date: 1999/07/12 06:38:29
From: RCampb1437 <RCampb1437(a)aol.com>

Interested in a Gustav Brandes in Texas in 1880, any leads, including book, 
welcome. Sincerely, Robert Campbell, descendant of Wilhelm Ludolph, who was 
sponsored for naturalization by Gustav Brandes in Brooklyn in 1873, but 
believe Brandes moved to Texas. RCampb1437(a)aol.com

Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/12 17:30:31
From: Rlilac <Rlilac(a)aol.com>

 

Re: Wille

Date: 1999/07/12 17:33:24
From: Rlilac <Rlilac(a)aol.com>

I have an Elizabeth Schmidt born Mar. 4, 1829. This is the other side of the 
family from those born in Voltlage though.
Rosemary

Re: ...no subject...

Date: 1999/07/12 19:49:31
From: HeideB <heide.b(a)cwix.com>

Did Gustav have any siblings?  Like August?  Heide
----- Original Message -----
From: <RCampb1437(a)aol.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: ...no subject...


> Interested in a Gustav Brandes in Texas in 1880, any leads, including
book,
> welcome. Sincerely, Robert Campbell, descendant of Wilhelm Ludolph, who
was
> sponsored for naturalization by Gustav Brandes in Brooklyn in 1873, but
> believe Brandes moved to Texas. RCampb1437(a)aol.com
>


Re: Looking for book

Date: 1999/07/13 14:24:33
From: Suzanne Bunkers <suzanne.bunkers(a)Mankato.MSUS.EDU>

I ordered a copy from the Ohio Bookstore in Cincinnati, which would 
be listed in a city phone book.  The book is hard-cover, 350+ pages, 
and costs somewhere around $50.

On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:48:36 -0400 david l heller <dlheller(a)fuse.net> 
wrote:

> You might check with the OHIO BOOKSTORE, I think on Main Street in Cincinnati,
> Ohio. I understand they purchased the Tenfelde book and others from the area.
> I need phone and address I can get.
> Dave in Cincy  (not sure if they have internet site)
> 
> Carolyn Bening wrote:
> 
> > I, too, would be very interested in looking at this reference since 
> my > search for family names has taken me to Venne Evangelical 
> Church, Venne, > Hannover where several branches of Buenings, Tepes, 
> and Sachtlebens were > recorded.
> > Thank you. > Carolyn Bening in Missouri
> > > ----------
> > > From: JuJuBean11(a)aol.com > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > > Subject: RE:  Looking for book > > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 
> 6:01 AM > >
> > > Hi group! > >
> > > I am looking for the following book? that was a source of 
> immigration > > information on Broderbund's Passenger & Immigration 
> Lists Index, 1538 - > 1940
> > > (CD#354): > >
> > > STUEVE, DAVID LUDWIG; "List of Emigrants from the Church Parish 
> of Venne > (in
> > > former Kingdom of Hannover) to the USA after 1830 as recorded by 
> Pastor > David
> > > Ludwig Stueve in the church books for 1808 - 1843 of the (Ev. 
> Luth.) > Church
> > > Parish of Venne" (or "Verzeichnis der aus der Kirchengemeinde 
> Venne ab > > 1830......").  In Germanic Genealogist (Augustan 
> Society, Torrance, CA), > no.
> > > 26 (1983), pp. 377-393. > >
> > > This is exactly how the source was listed on the CD.  I don't 
> know if it > was
> > > originally a book published that the Germanic Genealogist was 
> writing an > > article about?
> > > > > Any clues where I can get a copy of the original book/article?
> > > > > Any help is appreciated!
> > > > > Julie Ploehn-Vigna
> 
> 
> 

----------------------
Suzanne Bunkers
Professor of English & Director of Honors Program
Minnesota State University
Mankato MN 56002-8400
E-mail:    suzanne.bunkers(a)Mankato.MSUS.EDU
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Conrad

Date: 1999/07/13 17:45:21
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Anyone searched for Conrad.
I found the passenger list of the ship AROLUS Bremen to New-Orleans 27.Oct.1852:

- Conrad Sophie 36 y., Fritz 10 y., Heinrich 6 y., from Estorf (county Nienburg) 
Hannover.

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Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/13 17:45:27
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

TGKloesel(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Folks, 
>
> My computer has been down and I think I have missed something.  Can anyone 
> tell me what this Tenefelde Book is?
>
The Tenfelde book listed  more than 6000 emigrants from the former county 
Lingen, located in the old Kingdom of Hannover. Near to the boarder of 
Netherland.

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Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/13 19:48:20
From: Gladys Eichelberger <geichel(a)adams.net>

This sounds like where my people came from.   The Norden/Luetetsburg area.
The name is Tolken, with two dots over the o.  Also Schmitt and Kruse.
Would have left Germany around 1848-1851.  I'm specifically looking for a
Ghetta Tolken who would have traveled with Heye Kruse and his wife, Whipka.
Ghetta and Whipka were sisters.  Ghetta was Henrietta in America.
They would have traveled around 1848 as Ghetta got married in America in
1849.  The rest of her family came in 1851 on the Rebecca.

Thanks for anything you might find.

Gladys
geichel(a)adams.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Tenefelde Book


> TGKloesel(a)aol.com schrieb:
> > Folks,
> >
> > My computer has been down and I think I have missed something.  Can
anyone
> > tell me what this Tenefelde Book is?
> >
> The Tenfelde book listed  more than 6000 emigrants from the former county
> Lingen, located in the old Kingdom of Hannover. Near to the boarder of
> Netherland.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/
>
>


Tenfelde lookup: SPIEKER,KUHLMAN

Date: 1999/07/13 20:05:47
From: Eldridge Smith <Gochiefs1(a)Prodigy.Net>

Werner:
Could you please look up a Henry J. SPIEKER
and Gerhard Christian KUHLMAN?

Thank you so much for the time and effort this takes.

Cathy
gochiefs1(a)prodigy.net


Tenfeld Lookup - KLEINE & OSTENDORF

Date: 1999/07/13 20:18:43
From: John De Kleine <johndek(a)pacbell.net>

Werner,

Could you please look up KLEINE and OSTENDORF
both prior to 1764?

Also, do you know if there is a book covering the county
Osnabrook?

Thank you in advance

John DeKleine..................http://www.geocities.com/heartland/9703/
Paradise, CA 95969.........johndek(a)pacbell.net
(530) 877-3249................Researching: De Kleine & Muris
     Be careful of half-truths - you may have the wrong half.



Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/13 22:30:50
From: Debora Crawford <djcrawford(a)worldnet.att.net>

Werner,

By chance do you have a Heinrich C. Grothehen listed in the book.  My best
guess is that he came to America around 1850.

Thanks, Debbie
-----Original Message-----
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Tenefelde Book


TGKloesel(a)aol.com schrieb:
> Folks,
>
> My computer has been down and I think I have missed something.  Can anyone
> tell me what this Tenefelde Book is?
>
The Tenfelde book listed  more than 6000 emigrants from the former county
Lingen, located in the old Kingdom of Hannover. Near to the boarder of
Netherland.

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Re: Fw: Bostelmann or Bostlemann

Date: 1999/07/14 01:28:02
From: Sharon Eaton <eaton.noble1(a)cshore.com>

Dear Werner,

With great thanks to you, I received from Niedersachsisches
Hauptstaatsarchiv in Hannover a copy of a printed obituary and other
documents about Karl Louis Georg Bostelmann.  It took an extra effort on the
part of Johann Krizsanits of this organization to copy these materials.

They arrived just in time during the visit of my brother, a translator at an
embassy in Bonn, to help us translate the German.

While the search may be long, the sporadic results are well worth the
effort!

Sharon Eaton
-----Original Message-----
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Bostelmann or Bostlemann



> The address for the Niedersachsen archives in Hannover (from a web site)
is
>
Niedersaechsisches Hauptstaatsarchiv
Am Archiv 1
D-30169 Hannover
Germany

> Does this sound right?
>
Yes, I have it little corrected.

Werner
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Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/14 04:37:51
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Werner, thanks for the enlightenment!

Now that I know what the Tenefelde Book is, would the person who has it 
please look up the names Seel (Maria Anna and/or Louis), Windmeyer (Wilhelm), 
and Rohde (Theodor Heinrich)?  I would really appreciate it!

Sincerely,
Tanya Kloesel

Re: Tenfeld Lookup - KLEINE & OSTENDORF

Date: 1999/07/14 07:18:10
From: arzyredfox <arzyredfox(a)proaxis.com>

At 11:17 AM 7/13/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Werner,
>
>Could you please look up KLEINE and OSTENDORF
>both prior to 1764?
>
>Also, do you know if there is a book covering the county
>Osnabrook?
>
>Thank you in advance
>
>John DeKleine..................http://www.geocities.com/heartland/9703/
>Paradise, CA 95969.........johndek(a)pacbell.net
>(530) 877-3249................Researching: De Kleine & Muris
>     Be careful of half-truths - you may have the wrong half.
>
>
>
>
Please also check Ostendarp

Russ


Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/14 08:44:29
From: Donn E. Bohde <debohde(a)csi.com>

Hello Gladys,
Looks simular to the information added to the list from Gloria, whom I copy
below:

Hi Gloria,
My Kruses likewise come from the Hanover area, Diethe, specifically. 
Although I'm unaware of your HIE and WEBKIE, my Gerhard Heinrich Christian
Kruse was born in 1801 in Diethe and married Sophie Dorothea Charlotte
Hormann in 1830.  They settled in Fort Wayne, IN. Sometime around 1868.  I
met today as a matter of fact a gentleman with the KRUSE surname whose line
came originally to the Chicago area.  I'll pass this information along to
him and perhaps it may make a connection.
Donn

cc Lavern Kruse

----------
> From: Gloria A McFadden-Goldman <MCFGOLD(a)prodigy.net>
> To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS-L] Surname: KRUSE-THOLEN
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 1:48 AM
> 
> Dear Listers,
> I am searching for any information on my gggrandfather,  HIE KRUSE, born
> abt.1816, in Hanover, Germany.  He married a WEBKIE THOLEN, born abt.
1818
> in Hanover, Germany.  A daughter, ANNA KRUSE was  born 1849 in Germany.  
> HIE and WEBKIE KRUSE emigrated from Germany to the U.S.  between 1849 and
> 1851, because my Great Grandfather HENRY KRUSE was born 11 Nov. 1851 in
> Cass Co. Illinois.  
> I would appreciate any information on HIE and WEBKIE THOLEN-KRUSE, and
will
> share all the information I have on the life of my great-grandfather
HENRY
> KRUSE and his wife ELIZABETH BAUJAN daughter of JOSEPH BAUJAN of Germany.
> Thanking you in advance.
> Gloria

Hope this connection is a pleasure!
Regards,
Donn

----------
> From: Gladys Eichelberger <geichel(a)adams.net>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Tenefelde Book
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 1:46 PM
> 
> This sounds like where my people came from.   The Norden/Luetetsburg
area.
> The name is Tolken, with two dots over the o.  Also Schmitt and Kruse.
> Would have left Germany around 1848-1851.  I'm specifically looking for a
> Ghetta Tolken who would have traveled with Heye Kruse and his wife,
Whipka.
> Ghetta and Whipka were sisters.  Ghetta was Henrietta in America.
> They would have traveled around 1848 as Ghetta got married in America in
> 1849.  The rest of her family came in 1851 on the Rebecca.
> 
> Thanks for anything you might find.
> 
> Gladys
> geichel(a)adams.net
> 


Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/15 13:12:41
From: redaktionsbro <Redaktionsbuero.Froboese(a)innternet.de>

Hello from Wasserburg,

please can you check, if the name Froböse is indicated in the book.

Thank you in advance

R. Froböse


Donn E. Bohde schrieb:

> Hello Gladys,
> Looks simular to the information added to the list from Gloria, whom I copy
> below:
>
> Hi Gloria,
> My Kruses likewise come from the Hanover area, Diethe, specifically.
> Although I'm unaware of your HIE and WEBKIE, my Gerhard Heinrich Christian
> Kruse was born in 1801 in Diethe and married Sophie Dorothea Charlotte
> Hormann in 1830.  They settled in Fort Wayne, IN. Sometime around 1868.  I
> met today as a matter of fact a gentleman with the KRUSE surname whose line
> came originally to the Chicago area.  I'll pass this information along to
> him and perhaps it may make a connection.
> Donn
>
> cc Lavern Kruse
>
> ----------
> > From: Gloria A McFadden-Goldman <MCFGOLD(a)prodigy.net>
> > To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [PRUSSIA-ROOTS-L] Surname: KRUSE-THOLEN
> > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 1:48 AM
> >
> > Dear Listers,
> > I am searching for any information on my gggrandfather,  HIE KRUSE, born
> > abt.1816, in Hanover, Germany.  He married a WEBKIE THOLEN, born abt.
> 1818
> > in Hanover, Germany.  A daughter, ANNA KRUSE was  born 1849 in Germany.
> > HIE and WEBKIE KRUSE emigrated from Germany to the U.S.  between 1849 and
> > 1851, because my Great Grandfather HENRY KRUSE was born 11 Nov. 1851 in
> > Cass Co. Illinois.
> > I would appreciate any information on HIE and WEBKIE THOLEN-KRUSE, and
> will
> > share all the information I have on the life of my great-grandfather
> HENRY
> > KRUSE and his wife ELIZABETH BAUJAN daughter of JOSEPH BAUJAN of Germany.
> > Thanking you in advance.
> > Gloria
>
> Hope this connection is a pleasure!
> Regards,
> Donn
>
> ----------
> > From: Gladys Eichelberger <geichel(a)adams.net>
> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > Subject: Re: Tenefelde Book
> > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 1:46 PM
> >
> > This sounds like where my people came from.   The Norden/Luetetsburg
> area.
> > The name is Tolken, with two dots over the o.  Also Schmitt and Kruse.
> > Would have left Germany around 1848-1851.  I'm specifically looking for a
> > Ghetta Tolken who would have traveled with Heye Kruse and his wife,
> Whipka.
> > Ghetta and Whipka were sisters.  Ghetta was Henrietta in America.
> > They would have traveled around 1848 as Ghetta got married in America in
> > 1849.  The rest of her family came in 1851 on the Rebecca.
> >
> > Thanks for anything you might find.
> >
> > Gladys
> > geichel(a)adams.net
> >




[no subject]

Date: 1999/07/15 16:32:56
From: Karla Nurnberg <muessidenn(a)yahoo.com>

Hi,
   We are looking for the village of origin for Maria Elisabeth
Hagemeier. She was born about 1825 somewhere in Hannover. She emigrated
in the mid 1840's and lived for awhile in Cincinnati. While there she
met and married Kaspar Heinrich Tiemann. Later, they moved to
Dubois County, Indiana, where she died in 1881.
   Family tradition states that she may have been from near Osnabrueck.
She did have a brother, Heinrich Wilhelm, who also emigrated to
Cincinnati in early 1840's.
   We hope that someone can help us.
                               Karla Nurnberg

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Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/15 19:17:02
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Nach Wasserburg,

I have this:

Froböse Johann Heinrich aus Lingen, *14.10.1823 Halte Im Ravenberg'schen, 
Schneidermeister, ausgewandert 1860, St.Louis, Schiff "Georg", 
oo1848 Anna Charlotte nee Simon, *20.7.1822 , ausgewandert 1861.
Eltern: Bürger Friedrich Wilhelm Froböse - Katharina Wilhelmina Tepen
und Tagelöhner Heinrich Simon - Fenne Gerroit Rolfs

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Re: (TIEMANN in Dubois Co., IN)

Date: 1999/07/15 19:30:22
From: Bkercher <Bkercher(a)aol.com>

Hi Karla,
I too have a TIEMANN/THIEMANN coming from the Osnabruck area in the 
1830's/40's to Cincinnati and then on to Dubois and Spencer Counties, 
Indiana. I have (with help) been working on tracking them down in the towns 
around Merzen.  My TIEMANN ancestor married a DENNIG/DENNING from outside 
Merzen.

I'll put together some more detailed names and dates and send them to you. At 
quick glance, I don't see any HAGEMEIER's though. Please send me some names 
and dates and we'll see if we have a connection.
Regards,
Bryan Kercher

In a message dated 7/15/99 9:34:09 AM Central Daylight Time, 
muessidenn(a)yahoo.com writes:

>    We are looking for the village of origin for Maria Elisabeth
>  Hagemeier. She was born about 1825 somewhere in Hannover. She emigrated
>  in the mid 1840's and lived for awhile in Cincinnati. While there she
>  met and married Kaspar Heinrich Tiemann. Later, they moved to
>  Dubois County, Indiana, where she died in 1881.
>     Family tradition states that she may have been from near Osnabrueck.
>  She did have a brother, Heinrich Wilhelm, who also emigrated to
>  Cincinnati in early 1840's.
>     We hope that someone can help us.
>                                 Karla Nurnberg
>  

Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/16 00:19:51
From: redaktionsbro <Redaktionsbuero.Froboese(a)innternet.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Honkomp,

haben Sie vielen Dank für Ihre Information. Stehen Sie mit den erwähnten
Froböses in einer verwandschaftlichen Beziehung? Ich frage deshalb, weil ich
mit einem amerikanischen Namensvetter, John Froboese aus St. Louis,  per
email in Kontakt stehe. Er weiß nicht, woher seine deutschen Vorfahren
stammen. Möglicherweise liefert uns Ihr Hinweis eine wertvolle Spur.

Beste Grüße aus Oberbayern

Rolf  Froböse
Homepage: http://mitglied.tripod.de/froboese/index.html




Werner Honkomp schrieb:

> Nach Wasserburg,
>
> I have this:
>
> Froböse Johann Heinrich aus Lingen, *14.10.1823 Halte Im Ravenberg'schen,
> Schneidermeister, ausgewandert 1860, St.Louis, Schiff "Georg",
> oo1848 Anna Charlotte nee Simon, *20.7.1822 , ausgewandert 1861.
> Eltern: Bürger Friedrich Wilhelm Froböse - Katharina Wilhelmina Tepen
> und Tagelöhner Heinrich Simon - Fenne Gerroit Rolfs
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/




Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/16 00:29:38
From: redaktionsbro <Redaktionsbuero.Froboese(a)innternet.de>

Ich bitte vielmals um Entschuldigung. Jetzt habe ich doch glatt die Groß- und
Kleinschreibung ignoriert. Also Homepage "under construction"
http://www.froboese.com, ansonsten vorläufig
http://mitglied.tripod.de/FROBOESE/index.html .

Eine Genealogie-Website ist in Vorbereitung und wird in ca. 6 Monaten zur
Verfügung stehen.

Beste Grüße

R. Froböse

Werner Honkomp schrieb:

> Nach Wasserburg,
>
> I have this:
>
> Froböse Johann Heinrich aus Lingen, *14.10.1823 Halte Im Ravenberg'schen,
> Schneidermeister, ausgewandert 1860, St.Louis, Schiff "Georg",
> oo1848 Anna Charlotte nee Simon, *20.7.1822 , ausgewandert 1861.
> Eltern: Bürger Friedrich Wilhelm Froböse - Katharina Wilhelmina Tepen
> und Tagelöhner Heinrich Simon - Fenne Gerroit Rolfs
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/




Frobse

Date: 1999/07/16 00:53:13
From: redaktionsbro <Redaktionsbuero.Froboese(a)innternet.de>

Hello,

 I am searching the names Froböse (Froboese, Frobose) and Donath.

Best regards

R. Froböse



LTBoehmke(a)aol.com schrieb:

> I agree that newbies should be warned that names were repeated over and over.
>  What seems like an unusual name to us can be found as a common name in
> another place and time.
>
> Would you think the name Johann Gottfried Hemmann a common name?
> Well, it is if you go to Sachsen Altenburg in the 1800s.  It is found in
> Paitzdorf church book and over and over again in the Rueckersdorf church
> book.
>
> So the moral is, always reconstruct families, and don't assume the name you
> have found is the only one of its kind.
> LaVerne




Re: Kingdom of Hanover surnames

Date: 1999/07/16 04:20:03
From: JBeck88803 <JBeck88803(a)aol.com>

Hello Joan,
the Tenfelde book of former county Lingen (now county Emsland) shows 23 names 
of Beckmann and 14 names of Wolters. Send me the firstnames.

Werner

Hi Werner,

Here is the information you requested:

1.  Christian BECKMAN/BECKMANN, born July 23, 1822, The Kingdom of Hanover, 
father's name Henry, sister's name Justena, born May 2, 1825.  He had a 
nephew named Frederick BECKMAN/BECKMANN, born 1843-1844, Kingdom of Hanover, 
his father's name was Henry (I assume this was Christian's brother), mother's 
name Fredericka Fraubazan?

2.  Henry WOLTER-WOLTERS, born 1800, Hanover, Germany two sons Henry Jr, born 
1821 Hanover, and John, born 1830, Hanover, Germany

Thanks again,
Joan Beckman
JBeck88803(a)aol.com

Thank you,
Joan Beckman

HIMLY, OSKE, Göttingen

Date: 1999/07/16 04:44:15
From: Tim Wilson <timww(a)ktc.com>

I am looking for the family of George Alexander HIMLY who was born in
Hanover 1814.  He was the son of Karl Gustav HIMLY, a doctor.  Alexander
married Clotilde OSKE ca1845 and their daughters were born in the city of
Göttingen.  Alexander was supposed to have been educated at the university
and he and his wife are supposed to have been of Swiss ancestry (unproven).

Can anyone tell me the status of the city of Göttingen in the 1800s?  Am I
mistaken in believing that it was a part of the kingdom of Hanover?

I would be interested in hearing from anyone regarding the HIMLY or OSKE
families, Göttingen records and history and or any thoughts on Swiss
immigration to that area.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Tim Wilson


Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/17 19:19:55
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Froböse,
der Name Froböse ist mir bisher in meiner Familienforschung nicht vorgekommen.

In dem Tenfelde Buch ist als Quelle bei dem Paar das Luth. Kirchenbuch in 
Lingen, das Stadtarchiv Lingen Nr.3013 und Lingensches Wochenblatt angebeben.

Einen Ort Halte gibt es als Teil von Weener/Ostfriesland, das dürfte aber mit 
dem Ravenberg'schen nichts zu tun haben. Dann gibt es noch ein Dorf Ravenberg 
zugehörig zu Fürstenau im Landkreis Osnabrück. Das könnte einen Sinn geben, da 
Fürstenau nicht sehr weit weg ist von Lingen.

MfG Honkomp
--------------------------------

redaktionsbüro schrieb:
> Sehr geehrter Herr Honkomp,
>
> haben Sie vielen Dank für Ihre Information. Stehen Sie mit den erwähnten
> Froböses in einer verwandschaftlichen Beziehung? Ich frage deshalb, weil ich
> mit einem amerikanischen Namensvetter, John Froboese aus St. Louis,  per
> email in Kontakt stehe. Er weiß nicht, woher seine deutschen Vorfahren
> stammen. Möglicherweise liefert uns Ihr Hinweis eine wertvolle Spur.
>
> Beste Grüße aus Oberbayern
>
> Rolf  Froböse
> Homepage: http://mitglied.tripod.de/froboese/index.html
>
>
>
>
> Werner Honkomp schrieb:
>
> > Nach Wasserburg,
> >
> > I have this:
> >
> > Froböse Johann Heinrich aus Lingen, *14.10.1823 Halte Im Ravenberg'schen,
> > Schneidermeister, ausgewandert 1860, St.Louis, Schiff "Georg",
> > oo1848 Anna Charlotte nee Simon, *20.7.1822 , ausgewandert 1861.
> > Eltern: Bürger Friedrich Wilhelm Froböse - Katharina Wilhelmina Tepen
> > und Tagelöhner Heinrich Simon - Fenne Gerroit Rolfs
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> > Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> > D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/
>
>
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/


Name and location of Village

Date: 1999/07/17 20:45:59
From: Steven Richard Karlson <skarlson(a)n2education.com>

Hello listers,
I had the excitment of locating my great-great-grand
father's name in the Hamburg Passenger Lists the other
night.  Best of all, their village in Hannover was in
fact listed.  Only one problem, I can't quite make out
the name of the village.  To me it reads as follows:

D L I N S L E

While at my local FHC, I also checked Meyers, still no
luck.  Trying not to be discouraged, I tried several
other spelling combinations; Deinsle, Deinste, etc.,
still no luck.

Any one out there familiar with Hannover cities and
villages who might be able to figure this out?  I
would greatly appreciate any help.  By the way, I'm
searching the surname ORDING.  Thanks Steve


What are you N2?  Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses.
http://www.n2mail.com

Re: Name and location of Village

Date: 1999/07/17 21:06:58
From: Errol Sandler <EESAND(a)email.msn.com>

Here are 2 good sources for finding out spellings and locations of
place-names.

http://www.calle.com/world/


and another

http://www.expediamaps.com/


Good luck
Mary Koelzer



----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Richard Karlson <skarlson(a)n2education.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 1999 13:37
Subject: Name and location of Village


Hello listers,
I had the excitment of locating my great-great-grand
father's name in the Hamburg Passenger Lists the other
night.  Best of all, their village in Hannover was in
fact listed.  Only one problem, I can't quite make out
the name of the village.  To me it reads as follows:

D L I N S L E

While at my local FHC, I also checked Meyers, still no
luck.  Trying not to be discouraged, I tried several
other spelling combinations; Deinsle, Deinste, etc.,
still no luck.

Any one out there familiar with Hannover cities and
villages who might be able to figure this out?  I
would greatly appreciate any help.  By the way, I'm
searching the surname ORDING.  Thanks Steve


What are you N2?  Choose from 150 free e-mail addresses.
http://www.n2mail.com






Re: Name and location of Village

Date: 1999/07/17 21:49:40
From: Frederick Buck <fredbuck(a)sprynet.com>

Steve,

There is a village named Deinste located about 5 miles (8 km) south of the
small city of Stade.  Stade is located about 30 miles (50 km) west of
Hamburg and the region was part of the Kingdom of Hannover.

I don't have any additional information on Deinste, but I do have OERDING
ancestors from the village of Wohlerst about 10 miles (16 km) south of
Deinste.  My ancestors attended the church in Bargstedt.  I have a family
genealogy dating back to the early 1700's that was given to my mother by
one of her German cousins.  It states that our OERDING ancestors originally
came from the village of Deinstedt about 10 miles (16 km) west of Wohlerst
and that their name was originally ODDING.  I personally haven't checked
out any of this information yet.  However, I know of a Web-site owned by a
Heino BUCKSTUEVE (who may be a distant cousin of mine) which contains
several years (1715 through 1720) of baptismal records for the church
Selsingen, the parish seat for Deinstedt.  In this period there were seven
OERDING baptisms.

Heino's Web-site also contains marriage records for the churches in
Ahlerstedt, Apensen, Bargstedt, and Harsefeld and a significant amount of
research on the LEMMERMANN family contributed by a Holger LEMMERMANN.  In
case you are interested, Heino's Web-site is 

http://home.t-online.de/home/heinob/ahnen.htm

Good luck in your research,

Fred BUCK
Cincinnati, Ohio

Steven Richard KARLSON wrote

> I had the excitment of locating my great-great-grand
> father's name in the Hamburg Passenger Lists the other
> night.  Best of all, their village in Hannover was in
> fact listed.  Only one problem, I can't quite make out
> the name of the village.  To me it reads as follows:
> 
> D L I N S L E
> 
> While at my local FHC, I also checked Meyers, still no
> luck.  Trying not to be discouraged, I tried several
> other spelling combinations; Deinsle, Deinste, etc.,
> still no luck.
> 
> Any one out there familiar with Hannover cities and
> villages who might be able to figure this out?  I
> would greatly appreciate any help.  By the way, I'm
> searching the surname ORDING.  Thanks Steve


Re: Tenefelde Book

Date: 1999/07/18 09:45:17
From: redaktionsbro <Redaktionsbuero.Froboese(a)innternet.de>

Sehr geehrter Herr Honkamp,

haben Sie vielen Dank für Ihre Bemühungen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Oberbayern

R. Froböse

Werner Honkomp schrieb:

> Sehr geehrter Herr Froböse,
> der Name Froböse ist mir bisher in meiner Familienforschung nicht vorgekommen.
>
> In dem Tenfelde Buch ist als Quelle bei dem Paar das Luth. Kirchenbuch in
> Lingen, das Stadtarchiv Lingen Nr.3013 und Lingensches Wochenblatt angebeben.
>
> Einen Ort Halte gibt es als Teil von Weener/Ostfriesland, das dürfte aber mit
> dem Ravenberg'schen nichts zu tun haben. Dann gibt es noch ein Dorf Ravenberg
> zugehörig zu Fürstenau im Landkreis Osnabrück. Das könnte einen Sinn geben, da
> Fürstenau nicht sehr weit weg ist von Lingen.
>
> MfG Honkomp
> --------------------------------
>
> redaktionsbüro schrieb:
> > Sehr geehrter Herr Honkomp,
> >
> > haben Sie vielen Dank für Ihre Information. Stehen Sie mit den erwähnten
> > Froböses in einer verwandschaftlichen Beziehung? Ich frage deshalb, weil ich
> > mit einem amerikanischen Namensvetter, John Froboese aus St. Louis,  per
> > email in Kontakt stehe. Er weiß nicht, woher seine deutschen Vorfahren
> > stammen. Möglicherweise liefert uns Ihr Hinweis eine wertvolle Spur.
> >
> > Beste Grüße aus Oberbayern
> >
> > Rolf  Froböse
> > Homepage: http://mitglied.tripod.de/froboese/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Werner Honkomp schrieb:
> >
> > > Nach Wasserburg,
> > >
> > > I have this:
> > >
> > > Froböse Johann Heinrich aus Lingen, *14.10.1823 Halte Im Ravenberg'schen,
> > > Schneidermeister, ausgewandert 1860, St.Louis, Schiff "Georg",
> > > oo1848 Anna Charlotte nee Simon, *20.7.1822 , ausgewandert 1861.
> > > Eltern: Bürger Friedrich Wilhelm Froböse - Katharina Wilhelmina Tepen
> > > und Tagelöhner Heinrich Simon - Fenne Gerroit Rolfs
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> > > Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> > > D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/




Name Search

Date: 1999/07/18 17:01:41
From: Jeanne Mueller <chuckkid(a)cris.com>

I am looking for the URL for Name frequency, specifically in Hamburg and
Hannover area.  I use to have it but the one URL I have doesn't seem to
be working.  Any help would be appreciated.

Jeanne Mueller
Exeter, New Hampshire USA


Re: Name Search

Date: 1999/07/18 17:27:56
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Jeanne Mueller schrieb:
> I am looking for the URL for Name frequency, specifically in Hamburg and
> Hannover area.  I use to have it but the one URL I have doesn't seem to
> be working.  Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Jeanne Mueller
> Exeter, New Hampshire USA
>
Try "www.teleauskunft.de" and click english.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/


Re: Name Search

Date: 1999/07/18 17:39:41
From: Jeanne Mueller <chuckkid(a)cris.com>

Werner,
Thank you for the information.  I will try it and see what I get.  Thanks
Much.

Jeanne
Exeter, New Hampshire, USA

Werner Honkomp wrote:

> Jeanne Mueller schrieb:
> > I am looking for the URL for Name frequency, specifically in Hamburg and
> > Hannover area.  I use to have it but the one URL I have doesn't seem to
> > be working.  Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Jeanne Mueller
> > Exeter, New Hampshire USA
> >
> Try "www.teleauskunft.de" and click english.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Werner Honkomp          eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
> D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/




Re: [genstaff-l] I'm out'a here

Date: 1999/07/19 01:54:14
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 9 Jul 99, at 14:08, W. Fred Rump wrote about [genstaff-l] I'm out'a here :

I'm back in NJ with 1007 new messages awaiting me.  

Fred
26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Marquardt

Date: 1999/07/19 02:05:04
From: iwheeler <iwheeler(a)satcom.net.au>

Hi,

I am new to this and hope to find someone who can help.
I am searching for my ancestors who as far as I know have always been in
Hannover.

I have only some information and no correct dates.

My great-grandfather is a Oskar Robert  Marquardt and died in the late
18?? or early 19?? he was married to a Anna Simon from Reinholderohde.
He had a son who was Oskar Emil Heinrich Marquardt born 1908 and died in
1968 who married Alma Busko born 1912 and died 28-10-1994.
There were 4 Children Oskar Robert Emil Marquardt (was married to
Siegrid Grube) Rolf Marquardt, Gertrud Marquardt (Married to Gustav Ort)
Luise Marquardt (was married to Friedrich Schrader)
There was also Robert Emil Marquardt who married Guste ??
Emil Marquardt
Luise Marquardt married Heinrich Wilken.

Unfortunately this is all I have. Hoping that someone can help me find
some more.

Ilona Marquardt




Re: Name and location of Village

Date: 1999/07/19 16:08:58
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 17 Jul 99, at 11:37, Steven Richard Karlson wrote about Name and location of Village:

> Hello listers,
> I had the excitment of locating my great-great-grand
> father's name in the Hamburg Passenger Lists the other
> night.  Best of all, their village in Hannover was in
> fact listed.  Only one problem, I can't quite make out
> the name of the village.  To me it reads as follows:
> 
> D L I N S L E
> 

The best thing you could do is scan the page and put it on a web 
page or make it available per email. It is rather difficult to guess 
what you see in relation to what exists.

Fred


26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Wenzel

Date: 1999/07/20 23:41:33
From: Bob Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>

At 06:08 PM 7/4/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Frank...and Mary Ann,
>Count me as included here!
>Where does one start when ancestors listed Hannover as place of birth?
>Can't locate him in Germans to America Ship Lists either.
>Have you used these books?
>Jan
 
Jan et al,

I have found the towns thar my ancestors came from within Hannover or
Oldenburg by:

Researching their death notices in German language newspapers archives; 
church records of their funerals; burial records from cemeteries; 
death certificates; marriage records from churches and municipalities; 
old articles on newaspapers when these events or other newssworthy events
occurred.  

It is frustrating, but part of the challenge of family history research, to
look for this information in these places, when those folks who knew have
passed on. 

My families:  Niehaus, Ferneding, Broxterman, Mehle, Menkhaus.
My wife's:    Fath, Schrage, albers, Baron

Good luck,  Bob



ENGELKE translate request

Date: 1999/07/21 01:14:03
From: Morris Ryan <m-j-ryan(a)worldnet.att.net>

I have a hand written Engelke family tree sent to my uncle, Morris Engelke,
by a Helga Engelke who once visited him in Reno, Nevada.  Also, a picture
with writing on the back.


I am unable to read or understand most of the family tree and none
of the writing on the back of the picture.  Would really appreciate
some help.


I have put the family tree and picture on a Web page at:


http://home.att.net/~m-j-ryan/ENGELKE.htm

Thanks
Morris Ryan



Re: ENGELKE translate request

Date: 1999/07/21 01:20:49
From: david l heller <dlheller(a)fuse.net>

Morris Ryan wrote:
> 
> I have a hand written Engelke family tree sent to my uncle, Morris Engelke,
> by a Helga Engelke who once visited him in Reno, Nevada.  Also, a picture
> with writing on the back.
> 
> I am unable to read or understand most of the family tree and none
> of the writing on the back of the picture.  Would really appreciate
> some help.
> 
> I have put the family tree and picture on a Web page at:
> 
> http://home.att.net/~m-j-ryan/ENGELKE.htm
> 
> Thanks
> Morris Ryan
Tried to view but unable to open.

Re: Looking for book

Date: 1999/07/21 01:29:41
From: Carolyn Bening <cbening(a)socket.net>

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions on obtaining this article on the
Venne, Hannover, Germany immigrants.  I received today a list of articles
to purchase from the Journals of the Augustan Society, including the above
article at a reasonable cost.  
Carolyn in Missouri
----------
> From: david l heller <dlheller(a)fuse.net>
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject: Re: Looking for book
> Date: Saturday, July 10, 1999 5:48 PM
> 
> You might check with the OHIO BOOKSTORE, I think on Main Street in
Cincinnati,
> Ohio. I understand they purchased the Tenfelde book and others from the
area.
> I need phone and address I can get.
> Dave in Cincy  (not sure if they have internet site)
> 
> Carolyn Bening wrote:
> 
> > I, too, would be very interested in looking at this reference since my
> > search for family names has taken me to Venne Evangelical Church,
Venne,
> > Hannover where several branches of Buenings, Tepes, and Sachtlebens
were
> > recorded.
> > Thank you.
> > Carolyn Bening in Missouri
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: JuJuBean11(a)aol.com
> > > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> > > Subject: RE:  Looking for book
> > > Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 6:01 AM
> > >
> > > Hi group!
> > >
> > > I am looking for the following book? that was a source of immigration
> > > information on Broderbund's Passenger & Immigration Lists Index, 1538
-
> > 1940
> > > (CD#354):
> > >
> > > STUEVE, DAVID LUDWIG; "List of Emigrants from the Church Parish of
Venne
> > (in
> > > former Kingdom of Hannover) to the USA after 1830 as recorded by
Pastor
> > David
> > > Ludwig Stueve in the church books for 1808 - 1843 of the (Ev. Luth.)
> > Church
> > > Parish of Venne" (or "Verzeichnis der aus der Kirchengemeinde Venne
ab
> > > 1830......").  In Germanic Genealogist (Augustan Society, Torrance,
CA),
> > no.
> > > 26 (1983), pp. 377-393.
> > >
> > > This is exactly how the source was listed on the CD.  I don't know if
it
> > was
> > > originally a book published that the Germanic Genealogist was writing
an
> > > article about?
> > >
> > > Any clues where I can get a copy of the original book/article?
> > >
> > > Any help is appreciated!
> > >
> > > Julie Ploehn-Vigna
> 
> 

Re: ENGELKE translate request

Date: 1999/07/21 01:40:41
From: Rolph Van Jindelt <wb6jkw(a)surfree.com>

RE the webpage of Morris Ryan:
The pictures cannot be displayed. Looking at the source of this webpage, it 
looks to me that a wrong path for the pictures, is indicated. The path points
to YOUR "C" (harddisk) drive and NOT the website at "home.att.net.......
Rolph socal

Date sent:      	Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:24:39 -0700
From:           	david l heller <dlheller(a)fuse.net>
Organization:   	usps
To:             	hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject:        	Re: ENGELKE translate request
Send reply to:  	hannover-l(a)genealogy.net

> Morris Ryan wrote:
> > 
> > I have a hand written Engelke family tree sent to my uncle, Morris Engelke,
> > by a Helga Engelke who once visited him in Reno, Nevada.  Also, a picture
> > with writing on the back.
> > 
> > I am unable to read or understand most of the family tree and none
> > of the writing on the back of the picture.  Would really appreciate
> > some help.
> > 
> > I have put the family tree and picture on a Web page at:
> > 
> > http://home.att.net/~m-j-ryan/ENGELKE.htm
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Morris Ryan
> Tried to view but unable to open.
> 



Re: ENGELKE translate request

Date: 1999/07/21 02:44:29
From: Morris Ryan <m-j-ryan(a)worldnet.att.net>

Thanks for pointing out my problem Rolph -- appears I am no better at
putting up web pages then I am translating -  will try to correct.

Morris
----- Original Message -----
From: Rolph Van Jindelt <wb6jkw(a)surfree.com>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: ENGELKE translate request


> RE the webpage of Morris Ryan:
> The pictures cannot be displayed. Looking at the source of this webpage,
it
> looks to me that a wrong path for the pictures, is indicated. The path
points
> to YOUR "C" (harddisk) drive and NOT the website at "home.att.net.......
> Rolph socal
>
> Date sent:      Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:24:39 -0700
> From:           david l heller <dlheller(a)fuse.net>
> Organization:   usps
> To:             hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Subject:        Re: ENGELKE translate request
> Send reply to:  hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
>
> > Morris Ryan wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a hand written Engelke family tree sent to my uncle, Morris
Engelke,
> > > by a Helga Engelke who once visited him in Reno, Nevada.  Also, a
picture
> > > with writing on the back.
> > >
> > > I am unable to read or understand most of the family tree and none
> > > of the writing on the back of the picture.  Would really appreciate
> > > some help.
> > >
> > > I have put the family tree and picture on a Web page at:
> > >
> > > http://home.att.net/~m-j-ryan/ENGELKE.htm
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Morris Ryan
> > Tried to view but unable to open.
> >
>
>
>


Re: HEUER/Schultz

Date: 1999/07/21 23:44:24
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 11 Jul 99, at 20:39, Jeanne Mueller wrote about HEUER/Schultz:

> I am looking for information for my great-grandfather William Heuer.
> Only have information saying he was from Hannover (do not know if this was
> the Kingdom of Hannover or the City of Hannover).  William was born March
> 1848.  Married a Catharina Schutlz who had a son named John Henry Schultz,
> which may or may not have been the son of William (both stories exist in
> the family).  William and Catharina had two daughters in Germany, Anna,
> born July 19, 1873, and Elizabeth Heuer born in1876. They immigrated to
> Liverpool England between 1876 and 1880.  William and Catharina had two
> more children in Liverpool, Frieda Heuer, born September 1880 and William
> Henry Heuer born May 16, 1883.  The family immigrated in 1890 to New York
> and eventually ended up in New Jersey.

I've not seen any response to this yet. Heuer and Schultz are 
rather common names and difficult to find in the haystack. I would 
suggest you forget the city not that this is much help. You don't tell 
us which immigrant lists you've checked and where you searched 
and failed. It always helps with queries when you explain what 
you've done to wind up nowhere. 

> Family legend has it that William belonged to a regiment that only had
> single, blond, blue eyed men in it.  We do have a medal (I haven't seen it
> but my mother has and no seems to know what happened to it) that he
> received while in the Kaisers Army.  He left as he wanted to marry and was
> not happy with the Kaiser.

Think of it as just that, a legend. There was no such outfit. The 
Kaiser (or generally any blue-blooded nobel) was usually a popular 
person with the people. It's just like a president that not everyone 
voted for but folks turn out to cheer him anyway. One would leave 
the army when the tour was upand then marry. Normal stuff for just 
about every soldier out there. Somehow things get twisted later on 
to be something different.  

> I am at a dead end on this side of the "pond" and have been searching for
> a clue for the past 5 years so ANY help from anyone would be appreciated.
> 
> Sorry this was so long but I hope someone can help me.

It really wasn'tlong enough as you didn't tell anybody what you've 
done over those 5 years to find nothing. 

Try again with the facts as you have them.

Fred


26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/22 00:13:04
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 11 Jul 99, at 22:05, TGKloesel(a)aol.com wrote about Theodore Rohde:

> Dear Fellow Listers:
> I am interested in hearing from any descendants of the Rohde family of the
> Hannover/Hildesheim areas of what was formerly Prussia. 

That's hoping for luck right? Have you checked how many there 
are? Written to them? Normally we have to find them as they do 
not care or know about genealogy all that much in Germany. 
Besides, it's a long time ago and they may not even know about an 
American connection until you tell them.  

> In specific I am
> in search of information on the family of Theodore Henry Rohde, son of
> Ludwig, who was a tax collector.  He was born October 14, 1831 in Hannover
> and attended medical school in Hildesia, where he got his doctorate. He
> served in the Prussian Army as a surgeon and was knighted. He escaped
> Prussia before he was to be executed and fled to Mexico and then to the
> U.S. through the port of Indianola, later moving to Brownsville and
> Galveston.  

Heady stuff made for a movie, right?  Any facts behind this or 
simply family legends? Any idea just when he served in the army? 
The idea of knighted is also stretched as he might have been given 
a title so that he could be called von Rhode. For general interest 
there were 7 Rohde (no given names) in the Prussian service in 
1855. No von Rohde. Two Captains, one in the reserves and one in 
the artillery. The others Lts. Each regiment would typically have a 
Dr.associated with it. In 1865 still no von Rohde. The artillery 
cap[tain had by now been promoted to Lt. Col. in the Eastprussian 
Field Artillery Regiment #1. The other 4 are still or different Lts. 

If Rohde got his doctorate at Göttinging they would have records of 
him.Have you checked there?   

> He practiced medicine in Galveston, until his death in
> December 12, 1886 from Chronic Alcoholism. If anyone has any information
> regarding Theodore and his family before or after immigration and/or their
> whereabouts before immigration (while they were still in Prussia), I would
> appreciate hearing from you!

You need to find out the dates associated with his life. Doctors are 
notable people.They leave tracks. 

Fred



26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/22 01:40:22
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Dear Fred,

First let me thank you for your comments and suggestions!  There are some 
very good points.  I am wondering where and how you managed to get the 
information on the seven Rohdes in the Prussian Army in 1855?  I have been 
unable to located anything of the sort!  

<< You need to find out the dates associated with his life. Doctors are 
 notable people.They leave tracks.  >>

He was born in Hannover Oct. 14, 1831.

I know he would have been enlisted in the Prussian Army in the mid-'50's.  
That is as close as I could get to his military service and all I know beyond 
that is that he served as a surgeon...I understand from another family member 
(possibly in error) that in order to hold such a position, you were required 
to be an officer of some rank.

There is an entry in the Enrollment Protocol of Goettingen University 
(Matrikel of Georgia-Augusta-Universitaet Goettingen, Volume II, page 166) 
1852: Theodore Rohde, father tax collector Ludwig Rohde, from Himmelsthuer 
near Hildesheim.

I have it from several family members that he was knighted and as yet, 
haven't confirmed that. However, we do have several family heirlooms 
belonging to Theodore and dating back to his time in Germany/Prussia with his 
crest/coat of arms, which would lend credence to what I was told.  Supposedly 
he was sponsored for his knighthood by a man named Eric Aemil Russel.

Although I don't have an exact year he immigrated, I believe it would have 
been in the late 1850's/early 1860's.  He came through the port of Indianola. 
 He married his wife, Marie Mina Krausse in Galveston on April 26, 1869.  
They then relocated to Matamores, where he was a pioneer physician.  Around 
1872 he was back in Galveston where he practiced medicine until his death 
Dec. 9, 1886.  He is buried in Galveston.

At this point, aside from some tax records, that is all I have.  I welcome 
any other suggestions you might have.  Again, I thank you for your very 
helpful input.

Sincerely,
Tanya in Austin, TX
 


Re: HEUER/Schultz

Date: 1999/07/22 03:09:06
From: Jeanne Mueller <chuckkid(a)cris.com>

Fred,
Thanks for the response.  This weekend I will gather all the information on what
I have researched and give a more detailed account.  If I could just get a
direction to go in that would be helpful.  Again, thank you for responding.

Jeanne
Exeter, NH

W. Fred Rump wrote:

> On 11 Jul 99, at 20:39, Jeanne Mueller wrote about HEUER/Schultz:
>
> > I am looking for information for my great-grandfather William Heuer.
> > Only have information saying he was from Hannover (do not know if this was
> > the Kingdom of Hannover or the City of Hannover).  William was born March
> > 1848.  Married a Catharina Schutlz who had a son named John Henry Schultz,
> > which may or may not have been the son of William (both stories exist in
> > the family).  William and Catharina had two daughters in Germany, Anna,
> > born July 19, 1873, and Elizabeth Heuer born in1876. They immigrated to
> > Liverpool England between 1876 and 1880.  William and Catharina had two
> > more children in Liverpool, Frieda Heuer, born September 1880 and William
> > Henry Heuer born May 16, 1883.  The family immigrated in 1890 to New York
> > and eventually ended up in New Jersey.
>
> I've not seen any response to this yet. Heuer and Schultz are
> rather common names and difficult to find in the haystack. I would
> suggest you forget the city not that this is much help. You don't tell
> us which immigrant lists you've checked and where you searched
> and failed. It always helps with queries when you explain what
> you've done to wind up nowhere.
>
> > Family legend has it that William belonged to a regiment that only had
> > single, blond, blue eyed men in it.  We do have a medal (I haven't seen it
> > but my mother has and no seems to know what happened to it) that he
> > received while in the Kaisers Army.  He left as he wanted to marry and was
> > not happy with the Kaiser.
>
> Think of it as just that, a legend. There was no such outfit. The
> Kaiser (or generally any blue-blooded nobel) was usually a popular
> person with the people. It's just like a president that not everyone
> voted for but folks turn out to cheer him anyway. One would leave
> the army when the tour was upand then marry. Normal stuff for just
> about every soldier out there. Somehow things get twisted later on
> to be something different.
>
> > I am at a dead end on this side of the "pond" and have been searching for
> > a clue for the past 5 years so ANY help from anyone would be appreciated.
> >
> > Sorry this was so long but I hope someone can help me.
>
> It really wasn'tlong enough as you didn't tell anybody what you've
> done over those 5 years to find nothing.
>
> Try again with the facts as you have them.
>
> Fred
>
> 26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
> 4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or
> somewhere on the road but connected to
> fred(a)compu.com




Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/22 08:15:46
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 21 Jul 99, at 19:39, TGKloesel(a)aol.com wrote about Re: Theodore Rohde:

> Dear Fred,
> 
> First let me thank you for your comments and suggestions!  There are some
> very good points.  I am wondering where and how you managed to get the
> information on the seven Rohdes in the Prussian Army in 1855?  I have been
> unable to located anything of the sort!  

The Library of Congress, Harvard and maybe some other libraries 
hold the books or films of the annual Ranklisten of the Prussian 
military. I have a few of those books myself. These books list every 
officer, his unit, decorations and information about the location of 
the respective billets of these units. If you could get to these 
works, you could look through the whole bunch to look for a Dr 
Rohde. 1855, 59 & 65 does not have him. He may have been in the 
service as an officer who never finished medical school though.   

> << You need to find out the dates associated with his life. Doctors are 
>  notable people.They leave tracks.  >>
> 
> He was born in Hannover Oct. 14, 1831.

Yes, that date you gave. I was looking for his medical graduation 
year at Göttingen. 

> I know he would have been enlisted in the Prussian Army in the mid-'50's. 
> That is as close as I could get to his military service and all I know
> beyond that is that he served as a surgeon...I understand from another
> family member (possibly in error) that in order to hold such a position,
> you were required to be an officer of some rank.

I don't think Drs held specific military rank. They were special staff 
officers at the regimental level. They would be called Stabs-Arzt or 
Oberstabs-Arzt if there were several in a regiment. In other words, 
they were not line officers and typically NOT of the noble class. As 
a matter of fact, now that I'm looking closer I've yet to find one with 
the von in front of his name. Another fact has just come to the fore -
these Drs are not in the cross index which I looked at before. 
These only contain actual officers. So Dr Rohde might still be found 
in some regiment. It would require a page by page review though. 
Another person who had no rank but was attached toeach regiment 
was a paymaster or Zahlmeister - that in itself was his rank and 
position at the same time, just like a Dr.  

> There is an entry in the Enrollment Protocol of Goettingen University
> (Matrikel of Georgia-Augusta-Universitaet Goettingen, Volume II, page 166)
> 1852: Theodore Rohde, father tax collector Ludwig Rohde, from Himmelsthuer
> near Hildesheim.

So you know he entered but did he finish? They must have records 
of their doctoral graduates. Seems typical. The son of a civil 
servant becomes a doctor. 

> I have it from several family members that he was knighted and as yet,
> haven't confirmed that. However, we do have several family heirlooms
> belonging to Theodore and dating back to his time in Germany/Prussia with
> his crest/coat of arms, which would lend credence to what I was told. 
> Supposedly he was sponsored for his knighthood by a man named Eric Aemil
> Russel.

Knighted means being made into a Ritter. What the king did is 
reward his loyal servants with a title which elevated them and made 
them loyal to his cause. These new titles meant little in 
comparison to real blue bloods or Uradel. I don't know about being 
proposed by anyone either. Much of this stuff was made up after 
folks came to this country as there was no one to deny it anyway. 

> Although I don't have an exact year he immigrated, I believe it would have
> been in the late 1850's/early 1860's.  He came through the port of
> Indianola. 
>  He married his wife, Marie Mina Krausse in Galveston on April 26, 1869. 
> They then relocated to Matamores, where he was a pioneer physician. 
> Around 1872 he was back in Galveston where he practiced medicine until his
> death Dec. 9, 1886.  He is buried in Galveston.

The latter part in the US you should be able to document on your 
own and fill in the holes. Careful on the practicing medicine bit too. 
There were thousands of folks who claimed to be but never were. 
Even barbers often switched to doctorhood back then. 

> At this point, aside from some tax records, that is all I have.  I welcome
> any other suggestions you might have.  Again, I thank you for your very
> helpful input.

Don't know where else to help.

Fred


26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/22 16:17:54
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 22 Jul 99, at 2:05, W. Fred Rump wrote about Re: Theodore Rohde:

> 
> I don't think Drs held specific military rank. They were special staff
> officers at the regimental level. They would be called Stabs-Arzt or
> Oberstabs-Arzt if there were several in a regiment. In other words, they
> were not line officers and typically NOT of the noble class.

A further word on this. At the corps level there were called 
Generalarzt. These positions have little notes attached which 
describe their position to be at the rank (and pay I presume) of Lt. 
Col. Even the Generalleibarzt of the king only holds rank 
equivilancy of a Lt. Col. There are some rank equivilancies of 
captain and major at the Oberstabsarzt level too. 

Continueing my search I find a Stabsarzt Dr. Röthe as 
Battalionarzt in the 3. Pommeranian Infantry Regiment Nr. 14 and a 
Regimentsarzt Oberstabsarzt Dr. Roth in the 2. Magdeburg Inf. 
Reg.Nr 27. There is also finally a noble: Bat. Arzt Stabsarzt Dr 
Freiherr von Frank in the 2.Niederschlesische Inf. Reg Nr.47. There 
are a number of possible Jewish doctors if one can go by their 
names such as Dr Israel, Liebeskühn, Hochgeladen, Goldborn, 
Goldhorn etc. Another Dr Rothe shows up as Bat. Arzt Stabsarzt 
in the 3. Oberschlesische Inf.Reg. Nr 62

All these for the year 1865.

Fred



    
26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/22 18:43:29
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

 
  > He was born in Hannover Oct. 14, 1831.
 
 Yes, that date you gave. I was looking for his medical graduation 
 year at Göttingen. 

 > There is an entry in the Enrollment Protocol of Goettingen University
 > (Matrikel of Georgia-Augusta-Universitaet Goettingen, Volume II, page 166)
 > 1852: Theodore Rohde, father tax collector Ludwig Rohde, from Himmelsthuer
 > near Hildesheim.
 
 So you know he entered but did he finish? They must have records 
 of their doctoral graduates. Seems typical. The son of a civil 
 servant becomes a doctor. 

Dear Fred,

Again, I thank you for your kind assistance and your willingness to share 
your knowledge on the subject!  You really seem to know a lot about all this. 
 Are you from Germany?  It's really impressive!

I believe he did graduate from medical school.  On a steel engraving of 
Theodore Rohde, which apparently was done to commemorate his 25th anniversary 
from medical school, it says (first there is some letter/symbol/flourish 
which I am unable to identify), then "med Theodore Rohde 18 10/5 54 - 18 10/5 
79  Galveston, Texas."

I still need to confirm this, but the school records listed him in 1852 and 
at this point, I am guessing from what I have that that would have been his 
graduation date!  In addition I have a copy of a picture of him taken with 
some of his medical school classmates, which I believe was taken on 
graduation day!  However, I'm not entirely sure of that last part.  All I 
know is that on the back it was labeled that the picture was of him with 
classmates from Gottingen.

If you think of anything else I might check into or any other suggestions, 
I'd love to hear it!  Again, my deepest appreciation for your (very valuable) 
imput!

Sincerely,
Tanya in Austin, TX
 

 
 
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Surname Ebmeyer

Date: 1999/07/22 19:28:18
From: Rebmeyer <looncall(a)shianet.org>

Looking for information on surname Ebmeyer. Family came from the Enger,
Herford, Bielfeld area. Earliest dates are mid 1650's with Cordt, Anton,
Albert and Johann. Looking for ancestors or desendants of these people. Any
information welcome. Hopefully someone on this list has run across this
name. Appreciate any response

Bob Ebmeyer at looncall(a)shianet.org


Re: Minden Principality

Date: 1999/07/22 20:47:50
From: Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>

For the time period 1801, could someone tell me the names of the towns 
in the Minden Principality that had evangelical churches. I have tried 
the Minden town to find a birth record, but was unable to find the 
baptism. I was advised that Minden was more than a town.
Thank you
Doug

Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/22 21:00:03
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>On 22 Jul 99, at 12:42, TGKloesel(a)aol.com wrote about Re: Theodore Rohde:


<color><param>FF00,0000,0000</param>>   > He was born in Hannover Oct. 14, 1831.

> 

>  Yes, that date you gave. I was looking for his medical graduation 

>  year at Göttingen. 

> 

>  > There is an entry in the Enrollment Protocol of Goettingen University >

>  (Matrikel of Georgia-Augusta-Universitaet Goettingen, Volume II, page

>  166) > 1852: Theodore Rohde, father tax collector Ludwig Rohde, from

>  Himmelsthuer > near Hildesheim.

> 

>  So you know he entered but did he finish? They must have records 

>  of their doctoral graduates. Seems typical. The son of a civil 

>  servant becomes a doctor. 

> 

> Dear Fred,

> 

> Again, I thank you for your kind assistance and your willingness to share

> your knowledge on the subject!  You really seem to know a lot about all

> this. Are you from Germany?  It's really impressive!


</color>I fancy myself as somewhat knowledgeable about German history. 
I have a degree in the subject but a lifetime of interest is really what 
makes the difference. And yes, I came here as a child from West 
Prussia. My home town is now devoid of any German except for 
the cast iron sewer inlets which couldn't be removed or carved out 
except with a total replacement. 


<color><param>FF00,0000,0000</param>> I believe he did graduate from medical school.  On a steel engraving of

> Theodore Rohde, which apparently was done to commemorate his 25th

> anniversary from medical school, it says (first there is some

> letter/symbol/flourish which I am unable to identify), then "med Theodore

> Rohde 18 10/5 54 - 18 10/5 79  Galveston, Texas."


</color>OK, I'm not sure if one could graduate from medical school by age 
21 but you can check this out with Göttingen. 


<color><param>FF00,0000,0000</param>> I still need to confirm this, but the school records listed him in 1852

> and at this point, I am guessing from what I have that that would have

> been his graduation date!  In addition I have a copy of a picture of him

> taken with some of his medical school classmates, which I believe was

> taken on graduation day!  However, I'm not entirely sure of that last

> part.  All I know is that on the back it was labeled that the picture was

> of him with classmates from Gottingen.


</color>A Matrikel is also known as an Aufnameregister or initial class 
registration record. It would seem that he entered Göttingen in 
1852 and is pictured as part of the freshmen class. 


<color><param>FF00,0000,0000</param>> If you think of anything else I might check into or any other suggestions,

> I'd love to hear it!  Again, my deepest appreciation for your (very

> valuable) imput!


Tanya,


there are very many really good people on these lists. Not all speak English 
as well as they would like. They can read but don't necessarily write the 
language too well. Perhaps one of them can go directly to the University to 
check this matter out for you. You could offer to pay something for their 
time and gas or whatever but in practically all cases this help is done 
simply for the pleasure of doing it by people on both sides of the ocean. 


</color>Both the Oldenburg and the Hannover lists are gems among so many 
questions and so few answers. I am personally proud to be associated with 
so many great people. Some of them have been around genealogy here for 
years and one thinks of them as personal friends, yet we've never met.  


Anyway, I don'tknow what resources are available for research at Göttingen 
but they must have all the records intact as the Matrikel were not written 
until 1974:


http://www.gbv.de/cgi-bin/nph-wwwredir/www.gbv.de:44056/


Presumably from old registration records. They must also have lists of 
graduates somewhere. You might want towrite to the secretary for 
generalinformation as to the availability of the information you seek:<color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger> 

sub(a)mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de</color><FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller> <color><param>0100,0100,0100</param><FontFamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>{HYPERLINK "mailto:sub(a)mail.sub.uni-goettingen.de"}

</color><FontFamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>Best of luck


Fred

 




  




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Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/22 22:00:50
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Dear Fred,

I will try some of these other suggestions you offered.  Again, my deepest 
gratitude.

Kindest Regards,
Tanya Kloesel in Austin, TX

Re: Minden Principality

Date: 1999/07/22 22:02:07
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Doug,

I am also researching somebody from that area, but am just now beginning my 
overseas research.  When someone answers, would you please post it to the 
board?

Many Thanks,
Tanya

Re: Minden Principality

Date: 1999/07/23 00:19:18
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 22 Jul 99, at 13:21, Doug Plowman wrote about Re: Minden Principality:

> For the time period 1801, could someone tell me the names of the towns in
> the Minden Principality that had evangelical churches. I have tried the
> Minden town to find a birth record, but was unable to find the baptism. I
> was advised that Minden was more than a town. Thank you Doug
> 

Here a brief synopsis of what Minden was.

Minden (as Minda) is first found in recorded history when 
Charlemagne established a bishopric there in 796 under Bishop 
Erkanbert. It belonged to the Archdiocese of Cologne and included 
Hanover, Celle, Soltau, Polle, Nienburg and the Dümmersee area. 
Over time it won various rights for itself and about a 1/4 of its 
territory became a wordly fief called Minden. Aften Henry the Lion 
was deposed it even became a Duchy in 1180. It then gained some 
and lost someland over time and by 1398 it included only the 
County of Lübecke and Minden (Schlüsselberg, Hausberge, 
Rahden, Bünde, Oldendorf & Löhne). It was,  in essence,  one of 
the smallest of the ecclesiastic principalities of the German Reich. 
Even though, the city became ever more independent and by the 
13th century was pretty much a free city. 

In the 16th century the city was early to change over to 
Protestantism. In this it was somewhat under the influence of the 
Duke of Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel whohad already switched his 
population. The last Catholic bishop died in 1661.

At the Peace of Westphalia when many ecclesiastical countries 
were given to wordly rulers, it was handed over to Brandenburg 
(Prussia) which made Minden into a secular Principality 
(Fürstentum) and then combined it with the Grafschaft Ravensberg 
in 1719. The country now contained the cities of Minden and 
Lübbecke and the Ämter (districts of) Hausberge, Petershagen, 
Reineberg, Rahden and Schlüsselburg. In 1807/08 Napoleon 
combined the whole mess into the Kingdom of Westphalia under 
his brother as king. France subsequently directly annexed the 
lands west of the Weser river including the city of Minden in 1811. 
After the defeat of France Prussian regained possession of Minden 
in 1813/14 and permanently joined it to its Province of Westphalia 
in 1815.  

So in 1801 the country existed as it did in 1719 and one needs to 
investigate quite a substantial territory around the above named 
district cities.

Fred   
26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/23 07:28:32
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Dear Fred,
 
 Continueing my search I find a Stabsarzt Dr. Röthe as 
 Battalionarzt in the 3. Pommeranian Infantry Regiment Nr. 14 and a 
 Regimentsarzt Oberstabsarzt Dr. Roth in the 2. Magdeburg Inf. 
 Reg.Nr 27. There is also finally a noble: Bat. Arzt Stabsarzt Dr 
 Freiherr von Frank in the 2.Niederschlesische Inf. Reg Nr.47. There 
 are a number of possible Jewish doctors if one can go by their 
 names such as Dr Israel, Liebeskühn, Hochgeladen, Goldborn, 
 Goldhorn etc. Another Dr Rothe shows up as Bat. Arzt Stabsarzt 
 in the 3. Oberschlesische Inf.Reg. Nr 62
 
 All these for the year 1865.

My German isn't too good and I am not sure of the pronunication of Rothe, (my 
computer keyboard doesn't have an umlaut key on it).  Does that sound 
anything like Rohde?  What are the chances that that could be him, with his 
name mispelled?

Regards,
Tanya

 

AHRENS from Wulsdorf, and MEYER from Meine

Date: 1999/07/24 00:35:55
From: Cliff Ahrens <ahrens(a)nemonet.com>

I'm trying to locate information about my paternal great-grandparents and
their ancestors, who lived in Hannover Province, Germany.

John AHRENS was born in Wulsdorf, Hannover, Germany on either October 15,
1849 or 1850, and came to the United States when he was about 3 years old.
I believe his father's name was Heinrich, and he had two brothers, Henry and
Herman, and one sister, Martha.

John Ahrens' wife, Dorothea MEYER was born in Meine, Hannover, Germany, on
October 21, 1844, and came to the United States in her 'teens.  Her parents
were Henry and Dorothea Maria Meyer.  She had a brother Henry and three
sisters, Sophia, Henrietta and Mary.

If anyone has information about them, or suggestions on civil registration
offices or other possible sources of information that I should contact, I
would appreciate your help.  Thanks in advance.

Cliff Ahrens
Hannibal, Missouri, USA


Searching for Weimann roots

Date: 1999/07/24 03:12:24
From: Thomas J. Kerr <tjkerr(a)erols.com>

I am searching for information concerning my mother's grandfather
Heinrich Gerhart Weimann. He was born in Germany on May 4, 1842.
His wife was Marie Louise ( Ludwig ?) who was born on January 1, 1842.
The marriage took place in Germany about 1860/1861.  This couple had
a daughter Louise, born April 4, 1862, twin sons Ernest  H.  and  Henry  E.
born April 3, 1870, a daughter Wilhelmina Henrietta Bertha  born  July 1, 1872 and a daughter Johanna  who was born  in July of 1876. This family was of
the evangelisch-reformierte religious belief.
The family departed Germany for the U.S.A. from Bremen Germany on April 23,
1882 bound for Baltimore Maryland, U.S.A. and arrived on  May 8, 1882
 The name of the ship was the S.S. Baltimore . On the passenger list their
 destination was Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The family made their home in 
 Allegheny city which is now part of Pittsburgh.
 On the 1920 U.S. census the parents listed their place of origin as Hannover
Germany.  No other information was provided as to their place of origin. I do
not know if this means Hannover city or Hannover kingdom.
If any one  can provide information as to the town or area in Germany  where
Heinrich Gerhard Weimann was born or married  I will be thankful.
Also is there an area in Germany where the Weimann name originated or the
meaning of this name.

 Thank you for any help on this problem.
  Thomas J. Kerr
   104 Lynnmoor Dr.
   Silver Spring, Maryland
   20901   U.S.A.   .
 


Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/24 03:44:39
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 23 Jul 99, at 1:27, TGKloesel(a)aol.com wrote about Re: Theodore Rohde:

> Dear Fred,
> 
>  Continueing my search I find a Stabsarzt Dr. Röthe as 
>  Battalionarzt in the 3. Pommeranian Infantry Regiment Nr. 14 and a 
>  Regimentsarzt Oberstabsarzt Dr. Roth in the 2. Magdeburg Inf. 
>  Reg.Nr 27. There is also finally a noble: Bat. Arzt Stabsarzt Dr 
>  Freiherr von Frank in the 2.Niederschlesische Inf. Reg Nr.47. There are a
>  number of possible Jewish doctors if one can go by their names such as Dr
>  Israel, Liebeskühn, Hochgeladen, Goldborn, Goldhorn etc. Another Dr Rothe
>  shows up as Bat. Arzt Stabsarzt in the 3. Oberschlesische Inf.Reg. Nr 62
> 
>  All these for the year 1865.
> 
> My German isn't too good and I am not sure of the pronunication of Rothe,
> (my computer keyboard doesn't have an umlaut key on it).  Does that sound
> anything like Rohde?  What are the chances that that could be him, with
> his name mispelled?

You keyboard would not have such a thing but your computer 
does. Simply set your keyboard properties (control panel) to Enlish 
language using the US International keyboard layout and all would 
be well. Then just type "u to get ü etc. 

The reason I gave you these names was to add to the possibilities. 
Your Man was spelled Rohde which is different from Rothe but one 
never knows about these things. The problem is still that you would 
need some additional corraborating information to pin anything 
down. What I gave you was just something to tantalize your 
research desires. :-) You'll need to track the man down in Germany 
and I would start at the university. Like I said, doctors leave trails. 

Fred

  
26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Searching for Weimann roots

Date: 1999/07/24 03:51:36
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 23 Jul 99, at 21:11, Thomas J. Kerr wrote about Searching for Weimann roots:

> No other information was provided as to their place of origin. I
> do not know if this means Hannover city or Hannover kingdom. If any one
> can provide information as to the town or area in Germany  where Heinrich
> Gerhard Weimann was born or married  I will be thankful. Also is there an
> area in Germany where the Weimann name originated or the meaning of this
> name.

Concentrate on the country. Check the phone listings for 
concentrations of them in the old Hanover province. Check for any 
obits in the press. The name is also spelled Weymann. The name 
probably comes from Weinmann, someone dealing with wines. 

Fred
 
26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: AHRENS from Wulsdorf, and MEYER from Meine

Date: 1999/07/24 16:42:04
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Wulsdorf is a part of Bremerhaven, and Meine is located in county Gifhorn.
Werner

Cliff Ahrens schrieb:
> I'm trying to locate information about my paternal great-grandparents and
> their ancestors, who lived in Hannover Province, Germany.
>
> John AHRENS was born in Wulsdorf, Hannover, Germany on either October 15,
> 1849 or 1850, and came to the United States when he was about 3 years old.
> I believe his father's name was Heinrich, and he had two brothers, Henry and
> Herman, and one sister, Martha.
>
> John Ahrens' wife, Dorothea MEYER was born in Meine, Hannover, Germany, on
> October 21, 1844, and came to the United States in her 'teens.  Her parents
> were Henry and Dorothea Maria Meyer.  She had a brother Henry and three
> sisters, Sophia, Henrietta and Mary.
>
> If anyone has information about them, or suggestions on civil registration
> offices or other possible sources of information that I should contact, I
> would appreciate your help.  Thanks in advance.
>
> Cliff Ahrens
> Hannibal, Missouri, USA
>

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Wulschdorf, Germany???

Date: 1999/07/24 23:17:37
From: Cliff Ahrens <ahrens(a)nemonet.com>

Is anyone familiar with a town named WULSCHDORF in Hannover Province,
Germany in 1849 or 1850.

I posted a message to this mailing list yesterday seeking information on my
great-grandfather John AHRENS.  I mentioned a birth place of Wulsdorf,
Germany.  Notes of my deceased great-aunt state that John Ahrens was born in
WULSCHDORF, Hannover, Germany.   I was unable to locate Wulschdorf on an
Internet Web search or on some 1882 German maps I found on the Internet.
That is why I thought his birthplace might be Wulsdorf, which I was able to
find on the maps.

Is anyone familiar with a town or possibly a suburb of one of the larger
cities in the middle 1800's named Wulschdorf?  If so, I would appreciate
information about its location, history, and current status as a town or
village.

Thank you for your help.

Cliff Ahrens
Hannibal, Missouri  USA


WENZEL

Date: 1999/07/25 01:17:42
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>

Just checking.  Does this list cover "The Kingdom of Hannover" and/or the
city of Hannover?

I'm looking for a place to start looking for the birth place of Henry
WENZEL b: Nov 1805 Hannover. (Since a search of church records in the city
of Hannover are negative I'm assuming elsewhere within the Kingdom).

Henry WENZEL b: Nov 1805; d: Oct 1870 Callicoon, NY
marr. Wilhelmina PAPE b: cir 1804 Germany d: Oct 1866 New York, NY
children born in Germany
Frederick b: cir 1827
Doris/Doretta b: cir 1829

Henry and family immigrated to the U. S. cir 1830

Any suggestions as to how to locate Henry's birthplace (or where to start
will be appreciated).

Thanks.


Frank Wenzel

Researching: ADERS, BENDERNAGEL, BILSTEIN, BONNELL, BRAHAMS, BYINGTON,
COULTER, CRITTENDEN,DANIELS, EGGERT, EICHELE,HANKIN,HEACOCK,HELCK, HORLDIN,
MOORE, PAPE, RANFT, SCHMIDT,SMYLIE,TUCKER, VAN AMERINGE, WENZEL,WOODWARD


International english

Date: 1999/07/25 03:38:30
From: LTBoehmke <LTBoehmke(a)aol.com>

Dear Fred,

Recently you wrote to someone about changing his computer to, I believe, 
International English so he would have umlauts.  Could you be kind enough to 
explain that more fully for us dumbkopfs?

I am not interested in using the number keys.  I have those instructions.  I 
don't really find it all that difficult to just write oe, etc.  And I would 
wonder if one had a choice between an American O and the umlauted O.

Just curious.
LaVerne
Researching S.E.H.L.E.R/S.E.E.L.E.R
  

Re: International english

Date: 1999/07/25 05:58:58
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 24 Jul 99, at 21:34, LTBoehmke(a)aol.com wrote about International english:

> Dear Fred,
> 
> Recently you wrote to someone about changing his computer to, I believe,
> International English so he would have umlauts.  Could you be kind enough
> to explain that more fully for us dumbkopfs?

I don't know what else I can say? What did you not understand in 
my 'instructions'? It's really a 10 second thing to use the US 
International keyboard layout. Try to follow what I wrote and give 
me feedback where it doesn't make sense or doesn't work. 

Fred


26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Secret Emigration - Meppen to Baltimore

Date: 1999/07/25 06:09:33
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

Well, 
I don't normally just throw a name out but perhaps there are some 
new resources out there which I'm not aware of.

Anton Winkes supposedly was born in Meppen in 1829 (I've not 
researched any church books there yet). He must have married in 
Germany also presumeably in the area to a Johanna Hämmerer 
circa 1860. In 1865 they had a daughter Antonette who may have 
been born in Germany or on the boat to Baltimore. Information from 
her obit says that she came over in 1865. Other info has her child 
born the same year but in Germany. 

None of the passenger lists I've checked list either of them and I 
think I checked them all. 

Anybody ever see the name Winkes? How about Schagemann 
from Alfhausen? She married the latter after her first husband died. 

Fred


26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: Secret Emigration - Meppen to Baltimore

Date: 1999/07/25 06:27:26
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 24 Jul 99, at 23:59, W. Fred Rump wrote about Re: Secret Emigration - Meppen to Baltimore:

> Anton Winkes supposedly was born in Meppen in 1829 (I've not 
> researched any church books there yet). He must have married in 
> Germany also presumeably in the area to a Johanna Hämmerer 
> circa 1860. In 1865 they had a daughter Antonette who may have 
> been born in Germany or on the boat to Baltimore. Information from 
> her obit says that she came over in 1865. Other info has her child 
> born the same year but in Germany. 

WhileI'm on the subject of Meppen, has anyone done research 
there? 

It's a bit of a mystery to me why my Johanna got over there to 
marry this guy. She was born in Cloppenburg and the road leads 
through Lastrup, Löningen and Haselünne to Meppen but why did 
she take it? In older days this was the typical path for the 
Hollandworkers but 1860 was a bit late for that. 

Was Meppen more prosperous than Cloppenburg or what? 

Fred


26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

new homepage

Date: 1999/07/25 07:00:13
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Visit my Homepage!

Hubert Bomas
http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~hbomas/


Re: International english

Date: 1999/07/25 08:39:24
From: William Reed <breed(a)datasync.com>

LaVerne

More explicit directions for modifing your keyboard codes follows:

For Windows NT 4.0:
Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Keyboard -> (Tab) Input Locales -> {Highlight "English (United States)" } -> Properties -> {This gets you "Input Locale Properties"} Open scroll menu and select US ( International ) { This is last on my list }

For Windows 98:
Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Keyboard -> { Language tab } -> { Highlight "English (United States) } -> Properties -> Pull Down Keyboard Layout -> Select United States ( International)

My Windows 95 machine got hit by lightning last week, so I can't check it, but it is likely very much the same.

Unix, Linux, DOS, OS2 you are on you own.

Since I don't use this particular change myself ( Rarely need it; I prefer the numeric method ) I can't describe its usage, just how to change it. You might also chase down entries in the help menu for a more complete description of the character substitutions available. Other information is likely available at <http://www.microsoft.com>

Hope that gets you going in the right direction.

Bill

Researching ALRAUM, BRUNS, GAMBEL, RABB

At 09:34 PM 7/24/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Dear Fred,
>
>Recently you wrote to someone about changing his computer to, I believe,
>International English so he would have umlauts. Could you be kind enough to
>explain that more fully for us dumbkopfs?
>
>I am not interested in using the number keys. I have those instructions. I
>don't really find it all that difficult to just write oe, etc. And I would
>wonder if one had a choice between an American O and the umlauted O.
>
>Just curious.
>LaVerne
>Researching S.E.H.L.E.R/S.E.E.L.E.R
>
>
>
Bill Reed
Cathouse on the Coast
breed(a)datasync.com
<http://www.datasync.com/~breed>

Re: Wulschdorf, Germany???

Date: 1999/07/25 13:18:21
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

The place or village Wulschdorf is not present in Germany, we have Wulsdorf and 
Wulfsdorf.
Werner
-----------------------
Cliff Ahrens schrieb:
> Is anyone familiar with a town named WULSCHDORF in Hannover Province,
> Germany in 1849 or 1850.
>
> I posted a message to this mailing list yesterday seeking information on my
> great-grandfather John AHRENS.  I mentioned a birth place of Wulsdorf,
> Germany.  Notes of my deceased great-aunt state that John Ahrens was born in
> WULSCHDORF, Hannover, Germany.   I was unable to locate Wulschdorf on an
> Internet Web search or on some 1882 German maps I found on the Internet.
> That is why I thought his birthplace might be Wulsdorf, which I was able to
> find on the maps.
>
> Is anyone familiar with a town or possibly a suburb of one of the larger
> cities in the middle 1800's named Wulschdorf?  If so, I would appreciate
> information about its location, history, and current status as a town or
> village.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Cliff Ahrens
> Hannibal, Missouri  USA
>

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Re: International english

Date: 1999/07/25 16:27:52
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 25 Jul 99, at 1:38, William Reed wrote about Re: International english:

> Since I don't use this particular change myself ( Rarely need it; I 
> prefer the  numeric method ) I can't describe its usage, just how to
> change it. You might also chase down  entries in the help menu for a more
> complete description of the character substitutions available. Other
> information is likely available at   
> 
>  Hope that gets you going in the right direction.  

The usage is very simple " followed by the letter one wishes to add 
the Umlaut to. The only drawback to this simplest of umlaut use is 
the fact that ' " must be followed by the space bar to have them 
show up as independent characters. But one gets used to that very 
quickly.

Fred

  
26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Re: International english

Date: 1999/07/25 21:01:04
From: LTBoehmke <LTBoehmke(a)aol.com>

Thank you, Fred, and all who answered my request for finding the 
International English layout on my computer.  I'll try it out now.

LaVerne

Re: Wulschdorf, Germany???

Date: 1999/07/26 03:33:41
From: arzyredfox <arzyredfox(a)proaxis.com>

May be Wulsdorf, bremerhaven,  on my map C3d



At 04:18 PM 7/24/99 -0500, Cliff Ahrens wrote:
>Is anyone familiar with a town named WULSCHDORF in Hannover Province,
>Germany in 1849 or 1850.
>
>I posted a message to this mailing list yesterday seeking information on my
>great-grandfather John AHRENS.  I mentioned a birth place of Wulsdorf,
>Germany.  Notes of my deceased great-aunt state that John Ahrens was born in
>WULSCHDORF, Hannover, Germany.   I was unable to locate Wulschdorf on an
>Internet Web search or on some 1882 German maps I found on the Internet.
>That is why I thought his birthplace might be Wulsdorf, which I was able to
>find on the maps.
>
>Is anyone familiar with a town or possibly a suburb of one of the larger
>cities in the middle 1800's named Wulschdorf?  If so, I would appreciate
>information about its location, history, and current status as a town or
>village.
>
>Thank you for your help.
>
>Cliff Ahrens
>Hannibal, Missouri  USA
>
>
>


Thanks

Date: 1999/07/26 03:59:01
From: Cliff Ahrens <ahrens(a)nemonet.com>

Thanks for the help.  I agree that Wulsdorf seems promising.  That was the
town I mentioned in my first post, but since my great aunt had it spelled
Wulschdorf, I thought it would be worth checking on.  However, I can find
nothing about Wulschdorf, even on maps from the mid-1800's.

Thanks again.

Cliff


AW: Searching for Weimann roots

Date: 1999/07/26 04:03:01
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

I have some Weimanns in my ancestor list. They came from a small place called Weyhe in Twistringen parish. They were catholics. There are also other places called Weyhe in Lower Saxonia. 

Hubert Bomas
http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~hbomas/


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von W. Fred Rump
> Gesendet am: Samstag, 24. Juli 1999 03:42
> An: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Betreff: Re: Searching for Weimann roots
> 
> On 23 Jul 99, at 21:11, Thomas J. Kerr wrote about Searching for 
> Weimann roots:
> 
> > No other information was provided as to their place of origin. I
> > do not know if this means Hannover city or Hannover kingdom. If any one
> > can provide information as to the town or area in Germany  
> where Heinrich
> > Gerhard Weimann was born or married  I will be thankful. Also 
> is there an
> > area in Germany where the Weimann name originated or the meaning of this
> > name.
> 
> Concentrate on the country. Check the phone listings for 
> concentrations of them in the old Hanover province. Check for any 
> obits in the press. The name is also spelled Weymann. The name 
> probably comes from Weinmann, someone dealing with wines. 
> 
> Fred
>  
> 26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
> 4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
> somewhere on the road but connected to
> fred(a)compu.com
> 


ENGELKE Translation help request

Date: 1999/07/26 20:16:19
From: Morris Ryan <m-j-ryan(a)worldnet.att.net>

My son was able to fix the problem I was having with the Web page so will
try again.

I have a hand written Engelke family tree sent to my uncle, Morris Engelke,
by a Helga Engelke who once visited him in Reno, Nevada.  Also, a picture
with writing on the back.


I am unable to read or understand most of the family tree and none
of the writing on the back of the picture.  Would really appreciate
some help.


I have put the family tree and picture on a Web page at:

http://home.att.net/~m-j-ryan/

Thanks much
Morris


Re: HEUER/Schultz

Date: 1999/07/27 04:36:05
From: Brenton Brooks <bbrooks(a)waite.adelaide.edu.au>

Although it existed in an earlier reign, King Friedrich Wilhelm I had a
regiment of nearly 3000 men known as the "Giant Grenadiers" 
(unfortunately I don't know the official Deutschen title of this
regiment).  The minimum height of these men was 6'.  Therefore military
formations exist with precise physical criteria for recruitment. A prime
modern example is Leibstandarte "AH".  If Fred Rump has a degree in German
History, maybe he should recommend further avenues of research to disprove
your family legend, rather than discredit it with no evidence. 

On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Jeanne Mueller wrote:

> >
> > > Family legend has it that William belonged to a regiment that only had
> > > single, blond, blue eyed men in it.  We do have a medal (I haven't seen it
> > > but my mother has and no seems to know what happened to it) that he
> > > received while in the Kaisers Army.  He left as he wanted to marry and was
> > > not happy with the Kaiser.

Fred wrote:
> >
> > Think of it as just that, a legend. There was no such outfit. The
> > Kaiser (or generally any blue-blooded nobel) was usually a popular
> > person with the people. It's just like a president that not everyone
> > voted for but folks turn out to cheer him anyway. One would leave
> > the army when the tour was upand then marry. Normal stuff for just
> > about every soldier out there. Somehow things get twisted later on
> > to be something different.


Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/27 04:40:30
From: Brenton Brooks <bbrooks(a)waite.adelaide.edu.au>

If you lived in Germany, and were faced with a clerk, Rothe and Rohde 
would be two different people!

On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 TGKloesel(a)aol.com wrote:

> Dear Fred,
>  
>  Continueing my search I find a Stabsarzt Dr. Röthe as 
>  Battalionarzt in the 3. Pommeranian Infantry Regiment Nr. 14 and a 
>  Regimentsarzt Oberstabsarzt Dr. Roth in the 2. Magdeburg Inf. 
>  Reg.Nr 27. There is also finally a noble: Bat. Arzt Stabsarzt Dr 
>  Freiherr von Frank in the 2.Niederschlesische Inf. Reg Nr.47. There 
>  are a number of possible Jewish doctors if one can go by their 
>  names such as Dr Israel, Liebeskühn, Hochgeladen, Goldborn, 
>  Goldhorn etc. Another Dr Rothe shows up as Bat. Arzt Stabsarzt 
>  in the 3. Oberschlesische Inf.Reg. Nr 62
>  
>  All these for the year 1865.
> 
> My German isn't too good and I am not sure of the pronunication of Rothe, (my 
> computer keyboard doesn't have an umlaut key on it).  Does that sound 
> anything like Rohde?  What are the chances that that could be him, with his 
> name mispelled?
> 
> Regards,
> Tanya
> 
>  
> 

Re: HEUER/Schultz

Date: 1999/07/27 05:41:13
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>

On 27 Jul 99, at 12:05, Brenton Brooks wrote about Re: HEUER/Schultz:

> Although it existed in an earlier reign, King Friedrich Wilhelm I had a
> regiment of nearly 3000 men known as the "Giant Grenadiers" (unfortunately
> I don't know the official Deutschen title of this regiment).  The minimum
> height of these men was 6'.  Therefore military formations exist with
> precise physical criteria for recruitment. A prime modern example is
> Leibstandarte "AH".  If Fred Rump has a degree in German History, maybe he
> should recommend further avenues of research to disprove your family
> legend, rather than discredit it with no evidence. 

We are dealing here with Hanover where I said such troops never existed. 
The Grenadier Leibgarde was strictly a Berlin private royal guard for 
parade purposes and even here it was only size that mattered. No 
rules about being blond and blue eyed - such things are myths 
added in more recent years. 

It is rather a bit difficult to prove that something really was which 
actually never has. Sort of like making up myths and stories, right? 
History is not conjecture or family stories. History is proving that 
facts actually were. I know of no work in the history of mankind 
which has ever proved that any German army has ever required 
blue eyes and blond hair as a requirement of service. This includes 
the Waffen SS and other such outfits. Allied propaganda may have 
created the myth that this was so but that does not make for a 
reality which needs to be disproven. It's sort of the other way 
around.   

Now, back to history - Crown Prince Frederick William had his own 
little battalion to play with. He paid for their maintenance out of his 
pocket. These were his tall grenadiers. Upon his ascention to the 
crown as Frederick Wilhelm I, one of his first acts was to 
reorganize his father's entire army. The royal guard regiments, 
which had been recruiting all the tall men they could find, were 
made into a fighting force (regiments of the line) except for his own 
guards of one battalion which he kept in Berlin to prance but not to 
fight. One sees similar troops in Washington and every other 
foreign capital. They were the honor guard of their day and just like 
today, they were the tall men of their day. 

There may have been a racial 'ideal' portrayed by NAZI propaganda 
but by the time they figured out that reality left out one hell of a lot 
of other mongrel types, they took every dark-haired, brown-eyed 
man (with a clean blood line) they could find into even their most 
precious and synbolic units. 

The point is this ideal is of recent vintage and snuck into 
someone's family history belatedly. 

Fred


26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or
4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or 
somewhere on the road but connected to
fred(a)compu.com

Giant Grenadiers

Date: 1999/07/27 07:32:47
From: Brenton Brooks <bbrooks(a)waite.adelaide.edu.au>

Thanks Fred for the comprehensive reply.

Brenton

Re: ENGELKE Translation help request

Date: 1999/07/28 17:03:20
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>

Hallo Ryan,
my English is not very good but I tryed tt translate what I see.
May be it will help you.
Here is my translation:
**************************************
Großvater  (Grandfather)
Gustav Friedrich Jobst ENGELKE
 aus einem Hof in Wüsten, Lippe
 (from a farm in Wüsten,...)

geb. (b.) 14.12.1856 in Wüsten , Lippe Detmold
gst. (d.) 07.12.1934 in Friedrichshöhe

((geb.) = geboren am/in = (b)orn  date/in  ))
((gest.) = gestorben am/in  =  (d)ied  date/in ))


Hochzeit 1890

Großmutter
Auguste EMGELKE, geb.MEYER-ARENDT
geb. (b.) 25.05.1870 in Hepen Krs. Bielefeld  (means: Heppen)
gest. (d.) __.__.1955 in Düsseldorf


11 Kinder sind alle in Friedrichshöhe (heute Polen) geboren.
(all the eleven children where born in Friedrichshoehe, which is in poland
today
1. Kind Johanna  ENGELKE   geb. (b.) __.01.1892   (gest.) als Kleinkind (little
baby)
2. Kind Gustav    ENGELKE   geb. (b.) __.07.1918   (gest.) gefallen ( he died
as a soldier)
3. Kind Willi       ENGELKE   geb. (b.) 12.01.1895   (gest.) __.__.1945
4. Kind Anna      ENGELKE   geb. (b.) 22.03.1896   (gest.) __.07.1953
             vh. FISCHER (vh. = verheiratet  = married)
5. Kind Martha   ENGELKE   geb. (b.) 24.08.1897   (gest.) __.07.1945
             vh. KOCH
             (auf der Flucht beerdigt in Löhne bei Berlin)
             ((as a refrugie burried in Loene near Berlin))
6. Kind Hermann ENGELKE   geb. (b.) 25.05.1899   (gest.) 1945
             Konzentrationslager (aufgrund Parteizugehörigkeit von Russen)
((because he belonged to the Nazi-party the russians let him die in KZ -)
(this was not unusual. A lot of KZ build by the germans,  later on, after 1945
where used as prissonercamps))
7. Kind Karl       ENGELKE   08.10.1999 (gest.)....................
8. Kind Klara     ENGELKE   als Baby gestorben
9. Kind Auguste ENGELKE   als Baby gestorben
(*) 10. Kind Heinrich ENGELKE   geb. 25.06.1906   (gest.) 21.08.1949
Teschendorf
     Hochzeit, 4 Kinder
     Hertha           ENGELKE, geb STEINKE   geb. __.__.____   (gest.)
__.__.____
    1. Erika          ENGELKE, vh. SCHRÖDER   geb.27.03.1935 in Gruntowitze /
Polen
    2. Helga         ENGELKE, geb. 20.05.1936 in Gruntowitze
                         Scheidegger Str. 26     88171 Weiler       Germany
    3. Hans-Jürgen ENGELKE   geb. 21.07.1938 in Gruntowitze
    4. Siglinde     ENGELKE vh. Enbergs   geb. 07.11.1942 in Gruntowitze
11. Kind Walter ENGELKE   geb.07.09.1916   (gest.) __.01.1953
**************************
Bild (picture)
**************************
Bildrückseite (backside of the picture)
"1/9  20"     =  (01.09.1920)
(vermutlich Datum der Bildaufnahme - it may be the day when the picture was
taken)
"Caensal  Fee9
      Ag"
(I can´t read this term - it my be a place or it may be a milatary term, I
don´t know)
(vermutlich der Ort der Bildaufnahme - it may be the place where teh picture
was taken)

"Friedrich sein Jung  gesellen
                                      zimmer."

("Junggesellenzimmer"   means: a room where a young man lives in.
"Jung-                          means:   young,
"Junggeselle"                means:   a young man who isn´t married. A typical
german word.
"Zimmer"                     means:    room)

(vermutlich Gustav Friedrich Jobst ENGELKE, *14.12.1856 - it seems to be G.F.J.
Engelke, the
Grandfather because it ist "Friedrich")

Thats it.
Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>


***************************************

Morris Ryan schrieb:

> My son was able to fix the problem I was having with the Web page so will
> try again.
>
> I have a hand written Engelke family tree sent to my uncle, Morris Engelke,
> by a Helga Engelke who once visited him in Reno, Nevada.  Also, a picture
> with writing on the back.
>
> I am unable to read or understand most of the family tree and none
> of the writing on the back of the picture.  Would really appreciate
> some help.
>
> I have put the family tree and picture on a Web page at:
>
> http://home.att.net/~m-j-ryan/
>
> Thanks much
> Morris


Re: ENGELKE Translation help request

Date: 1999/07/28 20:59:00
From: Morris Ryan <m-j-ryan(a)worldnet.att.net>

Thank you Klaus for your translation.  Your English is more than adequate.

Also, Thanks to Karl, Ann, and David.  All of your help much appreciated.  I
am working on the photo to see if I can't clear up the 'fog' some of your
are experiencing.

Morris Ryan
Spokane, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>
To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: ENGELKE Translation help request


Hallo Ryan,
my English is not very good but I tryed tt translate what I see.
May be it will help you.
Here is my translation:
**************************************
Großvater  (Grandfather)
Gustav Friedrich Jobst ENGELKE
 aus einem Hof in Wüsten, Lippe
 (from a farm in Wüsten,...)

geb. (b.) 14.12.1856 in Wüsten , Lippe Detmold
gst. (d.) 07.12.1934 in Friedrichshöhe

((geb.) = geboren am/in = (b)orn  date/in  ))
((gest.) = gestorben am/in  =  (d)ied  date/in ))


Hochzeit 1890

Großmutter
Auguste EMGELKE, geb.MEYER-ARENDT
geb. (b.) 25.05.1870 in Hepen Krs. Bielefeld  (means: Heppen)
gest. (d.) __.__.1955 in Düsseldorf


11 Kinder sind alle in Friedrichshöhe (heute Polen) geboren.
(all the eleven children where born in Friedrichshoehe, which is in poland
today
1. Kind Johanna  ENGELKE   geb. (b.) __.01.1892   (gest.) als Kleinkind
(little
baby)
2. Kind Gustav    ENGELKE   geb. (b.) __.07.1918   (gest.) gefallen ( he
died
as a soldier)
3. Kind Willi       ENGELKE   geb. (b.) 12.01.1895   (gest.) __.__.1945
4. Kind Anna      ENGELKE   geb. (b.) 22.03.1896   (gest.) __.07.1953
             vh. FISCHER (vh. = verheiratet  = married)
5. Kind Martha   ENGELKE   geb. (b.) 24.08.1897   (gest.) __.07.1945
             vh. KOCH
             (auf der Flucht beerdigt in Löhne bei Berlin)
             ((as a refrugie burried in Loene near Berlin))
6. Kind Hermann ENGELKE   geb. (b.) 25.05.1899   (gest.) 1945
             Konzentrationslager (aufgrund Parteizugehörigkeit von Russen)
((because he belonged to the Nazi-party the russians let him die in KZ -)
(this was not unusual. A lot of KZ build by the germans,  later on, after
1945
where used as prissonercamps))
7. Kind Karl       ENGELKE   08.10.1999 (gest.)....................
8. Kind Klara     ENGELKE   als Baby gestorben
9. Kind Auguste ENGELKE   als Baby gestorben
(*) 10. Kind Heinrich ENGELKE   geb. 25.06.1906   (gest.) 21.08.1949
Teschendorf
     Hochzeit, 4 Kinder
     Hertha           ENGELKE, geb STEINKE   geb. __.__.____   (gest.)
__.__.____
    1. Erika          ENGELKE, vh. SCHRÖDER   geb.27.03.1935 in Gruntowitze
/
Polen
    2. Helga         ENGELKE, geb. 20.05.1936 in Gruntowitze
                         Scheidegger Str. 26     88171 Weiler       Germany
    3. Hans-Jürgen ENGELKE   geb. 21.07.1938 in Gruntowitze
    4. Siglinde     ENGELKE vh. Enbergs   geb. 07.11.1942 in Gruntowitze
11. Kind Walter ENGELKE   geb.07.09.1916   (gest.) __.01.1953
**************************
Bild (picture)
**************************
Bildrückseite (backside of the picture)
"1/9  20"     =  (01.09.1920)
(vermutlich Datum der Bildaufnahme - it may be the day when the picture was
taken)
"Caensal  Fee9
      Ag"
(I can´t read this term - it my be a place or it may be a milatary term, I
don´t know)
(vermutlich der Ort der Bildaufnahme - it may be the place where teh picture
was taken)

"Friedrich sein Jung  gesellen
                                      zimmer."

("Junggesellenzimmer"   means: a room where a young man lives in.
"Jung-                          means:   young,
"Junggeselle"                means:   a young man who isn´t married. A
typical
german word.
"Zimmer"                     means:    room)

(vermutlich Gustav Friedrich Jobst ENGELKE, *14.12.1856 - it seems to be
G.F.J.
Engelke, the
Grandfather because it ist "Friedrich")

Thats it.
Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>


***************************************

Morris Ryan schrieb:

> My son was able to fix the problem I was having with the Web page so will
> try again.
>
> I have a hand written Engelke family tree sent to my uncle, Morris
Engelke,
> by a Helga Engelke who once visited him in Reno, Nevada.  Also, a picture
> with writing on the back.
>
> I am unable to read or understand most of the family tree and none
> of the writing on the back of the picture.  Would really appreciate
> some help.
>
> I have put the family tree and picture on a Web page at:
>
> http://home.att.net/~m-j-ryan/
>
> Thanks much
> Morris




Re: Theodore Rohde

Date: 1999/07/28 21:58:27
From: TGKloesel <TGKloesel(a)aol.com>

Thank you for your input and for taking time out to enlighten me!  I need all 
the pointers I can get!

-Tanya in Austin, TX

In a message dated 26/7/99 21:41:51 PM Central Daylight Time, 
bbrooks(a)waite.adelaide.edu.au writes:

If you lived in Germany, and were faced with a clerk, Rothe and Rohde 
 would be two different people!
 


Re: HEUER/Schultz/Brenton Brooks

Date: 1999/07/29 20:22:49
From: Klaus Vahlbruch <klausvahlbruch(a)z.zgs.de>

MEYERS GROSSES TASCHENLEXIKON
DTV, München, Band 12, page 338
isbn 3-411-02912-9

"lange Kerls, volkstuemliche Bezeichnung fuer das von Friedrich Wilhelm I. von
Preussen seit 1740 aufgestellte 1. Bataillon des 1. Garderegiments zu Fuss;
von Friedrich II. nach 1740 aufgeloest."

(a popular discribtion for the 1st batalion of the 1st guard´s regiment in the army
of Friedrich Wilhelm the 1st of Prussia; existing from 1707 until 1740.)




Resources.

Date: 1999/07/30 00:40:11
From: Fred Kattau <fdkattau(a)mysolution.com>

I would like to buy or borrow as copy of "1100 years of Barnstorf.".  It
is in German of course and this a translation.  If anyone knows of a
copy that might be available I would be greatly appreciative and would
be willing to post a deposit..  Have contacted publishers and  the
community named.
Thanks
Fred Kattau
fdkattau(a)mysolution.com



Re: Resources.

Date: 1999/07/30 23:14:09
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>

Write to the researcher Mr. Falk Liebezeit in Diepholz, maybe he can help you:
"diepholz(a)datenautobahn.de"

Werner
---------------------------------------
Fred Kattau schrieb:
> I would like to buy or borrow as copy of "1100 years of Barnstorf.".  It
> is in German of course and this a translation.  If anyone knows of a
> copy that might be available I would be greatly appreciative and would
> be willing to post a deposit..  Have contacted publishers and  the
> community named.
> Thanks
> Fred Kattau
> fdkattau(a)mysolution.com
>
>

------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Ziegelhofstr. 35B       Homepage: http://www.oyc.de/werner.honkomp/
D-26121 Oldenburg       Genealogie: http://www.honkomp.de/


AW: Resources.

Date: 1999/07/31 03:53:27
From: Hubert Bomas <hbomas(a)uni-bremen.de>

Hello Fred,

perhaps one has to go to Barnstorf to get this book. I am researching in Barnstorf the name "Middendorf".

Hubert Bomas
http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~hbomas/


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net]Im Auftrag von Fred Kattau
> Gesendet am: Freitag, 30. Juli 1999 00:40
> An: Hannover list, Genealogy
> Betreff: Resources.
> 
> I would like to buy or borrow as copy of "1100 years of Barnstorf.".  It
> is in German of course and this a translation.  If anyone knows of a
> copy that might be available I would be greatly appreciative and would
> be willing to post a deposit..  Have contacted publishers and  the
> community named.
> Thanks
> Fred Kattau
> fdkattau(a)mysolution.com
> 
> 
>