Date: 1998/11/01 09:35:28
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
JOHNFUES(a)aol.com schrieb: > Greetings! > > Could anyone please tell me if the town of Bielefeld was in the Kingdom of > Hannover in the 18th century? Thanks. > > John Fuester ------------------------------------ Westphalia (including Bielefeld) was 1807 - 1813 the Kingdom of Westfalen under Jerome Bonaparte. Since 1815 to Preußen (Prussia). 1946 a part of Nordrhein-Westfalen. Werner ------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/01 15:49:18
From: Linda Marks Pauling <11870(a)www1.utech.net>
Fred, There is no Layman or Lehmann listed. There is however a listing for: LU(umlaut)HMANN, Dorothee, age 31, born about 1817. Emigrated 1848. Village Ostenholz. LU(umlaut)HMANN, Johann Heinrich age 31, born about 1820. Emigrated 1851. Village Ostenholz. Linda Fred Layman wrote: >, I am looking for my great, great, great grandfather Frederick > Layman (LEHMANN.is the original spelling) He was born around 1830 and > immigrated to the USA sometime around 1852= 1855. >
Date: 1998/11/01 19:08:41
From: SUSAN EDGELL <susanedgell(a)home.com>
Fred, There are several Frederick Lehmanns listed on my FTM CD#354. Where did your Lehmann end up? Do you know if he arrived in New York, PA, Texas? I can look him up for you if you can narrow it down a little. Susan
Date: 1998/11/01 20:14:43
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
Fred, Have you checked in with the Lehmann Hardware folks in Kidron & Mt.Hope OH? I know Kidron is doing a communal genealogy, and the Lehmann people are world-famous for supplying the Amish & others with non-electric appliances JimA Linda Marks Pauling wrote: > Fred, > There is no Layman or Lehmann listed. There is however a listing for: > LU(umlaut)HMANN, Dorothee, age 31, born about 1817. Emigrated 1848. > Village Ostenholz. > LU(umlaut)HMANN, Johann Heinrich age 31, born about 1820. Emigrated > 1851. Village Ostenholz. > > Linda > > Fred Layman wrote: > >, I am looking for my great, great, great grandfather Frederick > > Layman (LEHMANN.is the original spelling) He was born around 1830 and > > immigrated to the USA sometime around 1852= 1855. > >
Date: 1998/11/02 02:31:52
From: JOHNFUES <JOHNFUES(a)aol.com>
Greetings and thanks a lot for the information on Bielefeld. I have been trying to locate the ancestry of a George Friedrich Schaaf, who was pastor in Backemoor from 1749 to 1778. In the Backemoor OSB it indicated he was from Bielefeld. It also indicated he was born in Quakenbrüch and married Elisabeth Beata Lönings in Borgholzhausen. Could you tell me if those towns are also in Westfalen? Thanks. Also, any information on the ancestry of Pastor Schaaf or Elisabeth Lönings would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again, John Fuester
Date: 1998/11/02 03:06:50
From: mnorton <mnorton(a)visnetinc.com>
My Catharina Neuhaus was in the Altenbruch area before 1818. She married Wolderich Kroencke and daughter Freuda was born in Altenbruck. Some of the Neuhaus failies are in the Cuxhaven records. Good luck. Madge Norton mnorton(a)visnetinc.com ---------- > From: JANSGEN(a)aol.com > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: NEUHAUS > Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 7:33 AM > > Looking for anyone that is researching NEUHAUS. My great grandmother Lena > Neuhaus was born 8 March 1949 in Hannover. She came to Cincinnati, Ohio in > 1872. I am looking for the town where she was born and the names of her > parents. > TIA > Janet > JansGen(a)aol.com
Date: 1998/11/02 18:58:47
From: JANSGEN <JANSGEN(a)aol.com>
Thanks for the Neuhaus information. Can you tell me where Altenbruck is? Did you find church records for that area? Janet
Date: 1998/11/03 15:13:07
From: Elissa Zurbuchen <eez1(a)psu.edu>
Hi:
I just joined the list and I am looking for possible leads on how
to track down my ancestors. I haven't had much luck, considering the
common surname of Meyer and Miller - but I'm hoping that I've come across
some information that will make it a little easier. My ancestors settled
in the La Crosse county area (specifically Barre Mills) of Wisconsin, with
other people from the same village of origin called "Kirchdorf", which is
supposed to be west-northwest of Hanover and somewhat south of Bremen. The
church they attended there was "Ev. Luth. Kirchengemeinde Kirchdorf".
Is this a place that actually exists/existed? Does the LDS have
information on small villages and their churches - or just larger towns?
If anyone is interested, I am trying to find my gggrandfather
Heinrich Christoph Meyer (1841-1922) who was born in "Germany" to Ludwick
Meyer and Gudred Breggeman. I believe that a lot of Meyers came over
together, but I can't determine how they were related - or if they were
related at all. Heinrich married a Marie Miller/Müller who was born in
Milwaukee. I believe that her parents may be from the same region as well
(though I am not at all certain). Their names were: Johann/John
Miller/Müller (1816-1886) and Julianne Schnieder/Snyder (?-1879) who
immigrated in about 1847.... I believe they were related to other Millers
(as that seems to be the version of the surname they went with) in Barre
Mills - but I have no way of confirming this.
Thank you so much in advance for your help! -Elissa Zurbuchen
eez1(a)psu.edu
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/e/e/eez1
Date: 1998/11/03 16:56:30
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 3 Nov 98, at 9:14, Elissa Zurbuchen wrote about Meyers and Miller from Kirchdorf: Date sent: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 09:14:04 -0500 To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net From: eez1(a)psu.edu (Elissa Zurbuchen) Subject: Meyers and Miller from Kirchdorf Send reply to: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Hi: > I just joined the list and I am looking for possible leads on how > to track down my ancestors. I haven't had much luck, considering the > common surname of Meyer and Miller - but I'm hoping that I've come across > some information that will make it a little easier. My ancestors settled > in the La Crosse county area (specifically Barre Mills) of Wisconsin, with > other people from the same village of origin called "Kirchdorf", which is > supposed to be west-northwest of Hanover and somewhat south of Bremen. > The church they attended there was "Ev. Luth. Kirchengemeinde Kirchdorf". > Is this a place that actually exists/existed? Does the LDS have > information on small villages and their churches - or just larger towns? I count 24 different Kirchdorf places in Germany. That seems to match you Meyer name in being all over. :-) The word simply means village by the church and obviously lots of them grew up over time to hold on to that description. My suggestion to you would be to get yourself a good map - a travel atlas maybe - and plot out just where all the kirchdorfs are in the Lower saxony area. Once you know all the possibilities you can then narrow your search a little more specifically by looking for the LDS records for that place. Yes, they would have records. They do for most places. . Fred 26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or 4788 Corian Court at 4555 Southern Breeze Drive, Naples, FL 34114 or 6281 Hwy 20, Foster, OR 97345 fred(a)compu.com, fred(a)k2nesoft.com, FredRump(a)home.com http://www.k2nesoft.com/~fred
Date: 1998/11/03 21:11:26
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
At 12:55 PM 11/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Thanks for the Neuhaus information. Can you tell me where Altenbruck is? Did >you find church records for that area? >Janet Janet, I haven't seen Altenbruck, and email locator site geo(a)genealogy.net had no matches for it. Good luck. I know your search for NEUHAUS info has been long. Bob
Date: 1998/11/03 21:17:43
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
At 12:55 PM 11/2/98 EST, you wrote: >Thanks for the Neuhaus information. Can you tell me where Altenbruck is? Did >you find church records for that area? >Janet > Janet, I just finished searching four rolls of microfilm from LDS of Catholic Church records for Neunkirchen, Amt Damme, Oldenburg, from 1650 to 1890. The local towns included are: Neunkirchen Bieste Gupprehausen, or something close to this Horsten Nellinghoff No listings for NEUHAUS in these records. Bob
Date: 1998/11/03 21:43:09
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
JOHNFUES(a)aol.com schrieb: > Greetings and thanks a lot for the information on Bielefeld. I have been > trying to locate the ancestry of a George Friedrich Schaaf, who was pastor in > Backemoor from 1749 to 1778. In the Backemoor OSB it indicated he was from > Bielefeld. ----------------------------> Backemoor is located in Ostfriesland. > > It also indicated he was born in Quakenbrüch ------------------> Quakenbrück is a small town in Landkreis (county) Osnabrück, it is a part of Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony), 50 km northerly from Osnabrück. and married Elisabeth Beata > Lönings in Borgholzhausen. Could you tell me if those towns are also in > Westfalen? Thanks. --------------------> Borgholzhausen is a small town in Westphalia between Osnabrück (20 km) and Bielefeld (20 km) near boarder to Lower Saxony. > Altenbruch is a village to Cuxhaven. The name Löning is most existing in the area of Ostfriesland/Lingen, here some addresses in Backemoor/Rauderfehn: Löning, Hermann Landw. (04952) 1372 Karkpadd 2 26817 Rhauderfehn Löning, Janna (04952) 8557 3. Südwieke 162 26817 Rhauderfehn Löning, Jens (04952) 81571 Batzenweg 9 26817 Rhauderfehn Löning, Jörg u. Silke (04967) 1454 Forststr. 81 26817 Rhauderfehn Löning, Johannes (04955) 5172 Backemoorer Str. 126 26817 Rhauderfehn Werner ------------------------------------------------------------ Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/03 23:03:40
From: JANSGEN <JANSGEN(a)aol.com>
Bob, Thanks for checking Neuhaus in those films. Are you researching Neuhaus or Niehaus? From what everyone tells me, Neuhaus is a very common name in Germany. They said that I should research more in the U.S. and get a definte town in Hannover. I have searched this family since 1990 in Cincinnati, Ohio and everything that I have tried turns up nothing. All I have is parents unknown and birthplace Hannover. It's like searching for a needle in a haystack. I hope you have been more successful. Janet
Date: 1998/11/04 03:27:50
From: Stopan <Stopan(a)aol.com>
Hi Janet, F.Y.I. There was a Wilhemina Neuhaus m. to a Reinhard who's death was reported in Cincinnati's "Volksblatt" 1846-1918, on 21 Oct 1910 - the only female 'sans' Neuhaus listed. She was 71 yrs -- 6m - 12 d old. - born 1839. There were also Carl, Edward, Fransizka, Friedrich, Katherine, Louis, Paul, Theodor and another Wilhemena Neuhaus listed. Advise if you want b. & d. info on any of these. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ
Date: 1998/11/04 04:05:08
From: JANSGEN <JANSGEN(a)aol.com>
Gary, Yes, I have found all these Neuhaus listings but can not connect to them. My great grandmother was Lena Neuhaus who died July 1, 1917. Her obit was not listed in any of the German newspapers. I found a very short obit in the Cincinnati Enquirer. It also stated " New York papers please copy". Still haven't found any connection to New York. Thanks for your help. Janet
Date: 1998/11/04 16:01:16
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
At 05:02 PM 11/3/98 EST, you wrote:
>Bob,
>Thanks for checking Neuhaus in those films. Are you researching Neuhaus or
>Niehaus? From what everyone tells me, Neuhaus is a very common name in
>Germany. They said that I should research more in the U.S. and get a definte
>town in Hannover.
>I have searched this family since 1990 in Cincinnati, Ohio and everything
that
>I have tried turns up nothing. All I have is parents unknown and birthplace
>Hannover. It's like searching for a needle in a haystack.
>I hope you have been more successful.
>Janet
>
Janet, We had this discussion last year, I believe.
My family is NIEHAUS. I have also looked in the records for
Neuhaus, for you, but no names as yet. Bob
Date: 1998/11/04 19:57:22
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
JANSGEN(a)aol.com schrieb: > Bob, > Thanks for checking Neuhaus in those films. Are you researching Neuhaus or > Niehaus? From what everyone tells me, Neuhaus is a very common name in > Germany. They said that I should research more in the U.S. and get a definte > town in Hannover. > I have searched this family since 1990 in Cincinnati, Ohio and everything that > I have tried turns up nothing. All I have is parents unknown and birthplace > Hannover. It's like searching for a needle in a haystack. > I hope you have been more successful. > Janet --------------------------------> Have you searched the passenger-lists of Glazier/Filby ? Maybe there you can find where she come from. Werner ------------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/04 22:03:28
From: Joseph V. Clawges <jclawges(a)bellsouth.net>
KLAGES Johann Valentin; DEU>USA; 1748 Arrived Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA 9/1748 aboard ship Edinburgh which sailed from Rotterdam via Portsmouth. He was unmarried, occupation painter, estimated birth time 1720-30. Place of birth Hangover, Lower Saxony. Am attempting to pick up his trail in Germany, looking for any records of him and/or ancestors. Do you have any suggestions on where to start? Thank you. Joseph Valentine Clawges, III jclawges(a)bellsouth.net
Date: 1998/11/05 06:41:15
From: Fred Layman <sgo(a)adweb.net>
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HELP! I just found out that my G,G,G,
Grandfather FREDERICK LEHMANN ( I am fairly sure this is the correct original
spelling of our last name) may have come from Baden, Germany. I was also told
that he arrived in the USA via Liverpool, England. As for the year, all I have
been able to find out is that it would have been around the middle
1850's.
Any suggestions as to the best way to follow
this up would be very appreciated.
Thanks
Fred Layman
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Date: 1998/11/05 14:10:18
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>
> Fred Layman wrote: > > HELP! I just found out that my G,G,G, Grandfather FREDERICK LEHMANN ( I > am fairly sure this is the correct original spelling of our last name) > may have come from Baden, Germany. I was also told that he arrived in the > USA via Liverpool, England. As for the year, all I have been able to find > out is that it would have been around the middle 1850's. > > Any suggestions as to the best way to follow this up would be very > appreciated. > > Thanks > > Fred Layman I would suggest that you search the Hamburg emigration passenger lists for that period. Many emigrants from Hamburg sailed first to Hull and then took the train to Liverpool. They then boarded another ship which took them to the U.S. The lists containing these passengers are called the Hamburg "Indirect" Passenger Lists. These lists generally include the ancestral home of the emigrants. They are indexed and are available at the LDS Family History Centers. Search under film number 1049068 in their catalog for the Indirect Index. Let me know if you need further information. -- Arnold Lang arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net Visit the Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists at: http://home.att.net/~arnielang
Date: 1998/11/05 15:04:31
From: Bob Wall <bgw3133(a)usac.net>
Fred; Have you looked at any of the Mormon records for LEHMANN to see if you can connect. My son's-in-law LEHMANN grandmother was born in what was East Germany. If your line is of that area perhaps you can find what you need in their/others records turned in to the Mormon church. However, it seems your family came earlier. This grandmother is still living so was b. about 1908. LEHMANN is also a Jewish name. I had a doctor with the name. Good luck, Jean W. Good luck, Jean W > Fred Layman wrote: > > HELP! I just found out that my G,G,G, Grandfather FREDERICK LEHMANN ( > I am fairly sure this is the correct original spelling of our last > name) may have come from Baden, Germany. I was also told that he > arrived in the USA via Liverpool, England. As for the year, all I have > been able to find out is that it would have been around the middle > 1850's. > > Any suggestions as to the best way to follow this up would be very > appreciated. > > Thanks > > Fred Layman
Date: 1998/11/06 00:11:11
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Fred Layman schrieb: > HELP! I just found out that my G,G,G, Grandfather FREDERICK LEHMANN ( I am > fairly sure this is the correct original spelling of our last name) may have > come from Baden, Germany. I was also told that he arrived in the USA via > Liverpool, England. As for the year, all I have been able to find out is > that it would have been around the middle 1850's. ------------------------> We have two BADEN in Germany: - a small village Baden, a part of Achim county Verden/Lower Saxony (emigrated most via Bremen/Bremerhaven) - the town Baden-Baden, south of Germany (emigrated most via Le Havre or Rotterdam) Werner ---------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/06 08:29:03
From: beattie <beattie(a)quantum.net.au>
Hi all, I've been lurking for a short time and am interested in the discussion regarding immigration from Hanover to Lancashire. I have a family with the surname KLINGENBERG who had a child born circa 1859 in Germany or Hanover and then a child born 4 February 1860 in Manchester Lancashire. I'm in Australia and can get to an LDS library so I would like to order a film as someone has already mentioned that the records are available that way. Does anyone know if any indexing has been done for the years 1859 to 1860 or what else I could look at to help me. Judy Genealogists don't die they just lose their census.
Date: 1998/11/06 14:44:12
From: steve wehling <al78412(a)caller.infi.net>
>
> I'm in Australia and can get to an LDS library so I would like to order a
> film as someone has already mentioned that the records are available that
> way. Does anyone know if any indexing has been done for the years 1859 to
> 1860 or what else I could look at to help me.
>
> Judy
>Hi Judy
Our group found the village our people came from from Obits in the towns
that they died in our case the obits were printed in the German
publications of Cincinnati and their home town of Rieste, Hannover was
listed, we then went to the LDS for Catholic Church records of the
village.
Good Luck
Steve Wehling
Date: 1998/11/06 16:54:41
From: Rowena White <herbrow(a)pld.com>
steve wehling wrote: They found the village our people came from from Obits in the towns > that they died in our case the obits were printed in the German > publications of Cincinnati and their home town of Rieste, Hannover was > listed, we then went to the LDS for Catholic Church records of the > village. Steve, how do I find and translate these German publications from Cincinnati? I had g g grandfather George Henry Nodurft and wife Elizabeth Miller. Their families lived in Cincinattie from ca 1816-1830. Have been unable to locate any material from Cincinatti. Rowena > Good Luck > Steve Wehling
Date: 1998/11/06 21:10:46
From: Robert M Scharf <rmscharf(a)ocsnet.net>
Judy, The best way to start at a Family History Center is to go there and talk with a staff member about what you are trying to do. You can search by surname or location and find records of births, christenings, marriages and deaths on microfilms taken of the originals. It may take a while to get the films, but once you have them, you can go item by item, year by year, til you find what you're looking for. At 07:20 AM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >> I'm in Australia and can get to an LDS library so I would like to order a >> film as someone has already mentioned that the records are available that >> way. Does anyone know if any indexing has been done for the years 1859 to >> 1860 or what else I could look at to help me. >
Date: 1998/11/06 22:05:00
From: Stopan <Stopan(a)aol.com>
Hello all, My g-grand slipped out of Hannover in 1854 thru Le Havre. The ship was out of Charleston, S.C. and I assumed it was transporting cotton to Le Havre. After picking up passengers in Le Havre, it stopped in Westerdon, England before sailing to NYC. Any ideas on why the stop in Westerdon? I assume it could have been for machinery or equipment of some kind as the manifest doesn't show English names. Was this a fairly normal stop for ships to make in that era? Thanks, Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ STOLTMAN(N), RITTER, SHOFSTALL, SPECHT (St. Louis)
Date: 1998/11/06 22:22:28
From: Jillwall <Jillwall(a)aol.com>
Cincinnati record problem. I too have spent 3 years trying to find records in Cincinnati-- to no avail. My gr grandfather, Frederick Wilhelm Voss, b. 1830 (unk. village in Hannover) settled in Cincinnati about 1851. He married Ferdinandine Menn, who had emigrated from Burgsteinfurt, Westfalia with her parents in 1846 there and 13 Feb. 1857 had their first child, Anna Sophia Voss (my grandmother there). He filed for citizenship in Feb, 1858. Months later they moved to Ky. and I have contact with descendants and obtained several records there. He obtained citizenship there 1864. They were protestant. I've been unable to get either marriage, or birth records and the citizenship application didn't contain a home village. Ky. didn't keep death records when he died in 1886, and microfilms of his local paper don't go back that far --I'm stymied in getting German records without his home village. Voss is a very common name throughout Germany. Any suggestions gratefully accepted. Mary Wallace.
Date: 1998/11/07 01:53:43
From: Kilowat357 <Kilowat357(a)aol.com>
A good book for this sort of thing is "They Came in Ships" by John Coletta, often available at your public library. A good problem-solving book, better than most. Kayle San Diego CA
Date: 1998/11/07 03:32:14
From: Fred Layman <sgo(a)adweb.net>
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Thanks to everyone that gave suggestions in my
search of Frederick H. Layman (Lehmann). Any ideas and /or suggestions is very
much appreciate. I feel the information I was given by a member of family that
he heard he come from Baden, Germany may have been incorrect. The information
that I have been able to gather so far such as from his military records from
the Civil War show he immigrated from Hannover, Germany. I am fairly sure
that he did immigrate to the USA via England in the middle 1850's. It is also
believed that his father's name was also Frederick and that he was an officer in
the Imperial Prussian Army.
Thanks again
Fred Layman
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Date: 1998/11/07 06:20:11
From: SHAR1313 <SHAR1313(a)aol.com>
Since I'm new at this, I've been reading and observing everyone's correspondence for some time now. Someone referenced German publications of Cincinnati - can anyone explain what these were? I have a copy of an obituary printed in German for my great- great grandfather Gerard Herman Kroeger (born November 20, 1815/Province Hannover). I've been curious about this "German newspaper" as it contains an extensive article/obit that gave me valuable information regarding my geneology, but left many questions unanswered. Since my clan appears to have settled in Cincinnati after coming from Germany in 1846, I'm assuming this obit is from there. There is no date or publication name on the article, though it does reference that he was the uncle of the editor of the newspaper. Are these old newspapers available anywhere that I could research further? Any helpful hints from anyone would be greatly appreciated. ~Sharon Kroeger Howes Shar1313(a)aol.com
Date: 1998/11/07 13:19:38
From: dlheller <dlheller(a)fuse.net>
SHAR1313(a)aol.com wrote: > > Since I'm new at this, I've been reading and observing everyone's > correspondence for some time now. > > Someone referenced German publications of Cincinnati - can anyone explain > what these were? I have a copy of an obituary printed in German for my great- > great grandfather Gerard Herman Kroeger (born November 20, 1815/Province > Hannover). > > I've been curious about this "German newspaper" as it contains an extensive > article/obit that gave me valuable information regarding my geneology, but > left many questions unanswered. Since my clan appears to have settled in > Cincinnati after coming from Germany in 1846, I'm assuming this obit is from > there. There is no date or publication name on the article, though it does > reference that he was the uncle of the editor of the newspaper. > > Are these old newspapers available anywhere that I could research further? > Any helpful hints from anyone would be greatly appreciated. > > ~Sharon Kroeger Howes > Shar1313(a)aol.com Those German newspapers, Volksblatt and Volksfreund(SP?) are at the main Cincinnati Public Library, books by Jeff Herbert has indexed them and others for birth, death, marriage etc. He lists page that the person is mentioned on. Not sure if copies can be had thru the LDS. DaveSHAR1313(a)aol.com wrote: > > Since I'm new at this, I've been reading and observing everyone's > correspondence for some time now. > > Someone referenced German publications of Cincinnati - can anyone explain > what these were? I have a copy of an obituary printed in German for my great- > great grandfather Gerard Herman Kroeger (born November 20, 1815/Province > Hannover). > > I've been curious about this "German newspaper" as it contains an extensive > article/obit that gave me valuable information regarding my geneology, but > left many questions unanswered. Since my clan appears to have settled in > Cincinnati after coming from Germany in 1846, I'm assuming this obit is from > there. There is no date or publication name on the article, though it does > reference that he was the uncle of the editor of the newspaper. > > Are these old newspapers available anywhere that I could research further? > Any helpful hints from anyone would be greatly appreciated. > > ~Sharon Kroeger Howes > Shar1313(a)aol.com
Date: 1998/11/07 15:36:02
From: Robert M Scharf <rmscharf(a)ocsnet.net>
Gary, Was that ship by chance the Shawmut Cachelot? My wifes ggrandfather left Havre in 1854 after leaving Lorch, Wurttemburg. I have not, as yet, found the port that he entered the US. He went to Cincinnati and became the chief cooper at Proctor and Gamble. At 04:03 PM 11/6/98 EST, you wrote: >Hello all, > >My g-grand slipped out of Hannover in 1854 thru Le Havre. The ship was out of >Charleston, S.C. and I assumed it was transporting cotton to Le Havre. After >picking up passengers in Le Havre, it stopped in Westerdon, England before >sailing to NYC. > >Any ideas on why the stop in Westerdon? I assume it could have been for >machinery or equipment of some kind as the manifest doesn't show English >names. Was this a fairly normal stop for ships to make in that era? > >Thanks, > >Gary Stoltman >Mercerville, NJ > >STOLTMAN(N), RITTER, SHOFSTALL, SPECHT (St. Louis) >
Date: 1998/11/07 15:50:42
From: Robert M Scharf <rmscharf(a)ocsnet.net>
Sharon, Much of my wifes family history is bound up in Cincinnati also. The main library downtown has a very large genealogy section and many of the old newspapers on microfilm. We have run across the Kroeger name in our research and thought, at one time, that it was part of her line. But it appears not, at this time. Please contact me at rmscharf(a)ocsnet.net . We are going to Cincinnati and perhaps could look up a reference for you. At 12:18 AM 11/7/98 EST, you wrote: >Since I'm new at this, I've been reading and observing everyone's >correspondence for some time now. > >Someone referenced German publications of Cincinnati - can anyone explain >what these were? I have a copy of an obituary printed in German for my great- >great grandfather Gerard Herman Kroeger (born November 20, 1815/Province >Hannover). > >I've been curious about this "German newspaper" as it contains an extensive >article/obit that gave me valuable information regarding my geneology, but >left many questions unanswered. Since my clan appears to have settled in >Cincinnati after coming from Germany in 1846, I'm assuming this obit is from >there. There is no date or publication name on the article, though it does >reference that he was the uncle of the editor of the newspaper. > >Are these old newspapers available anywhere that I could research further? >Any helpful hints from anyone would be greatly appreciated. > >~Sharon Kroeger Howes >Shar1313(a)aol.com >
Date: 1998/11/07 15:58:38
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
At 12:18 AM 11/7/98 EST, SHAR1313(a)aol.com wrote:
>Since I'm new at this, I've been reading and observing everyone's
>correspondence for some time now.
>
>Someone referenced German publications of Cincinnati - can anyone explain
>what these were? I have a copy of an obituary printed in German for my
great-
>great grandfather Gerard Herman Kroeger (born November 20, 1815/Province
>Hannover).
>
>I've been curious about this "German newspaper" as it contains an extensive
>article/obit that gave me valuable information regarding my geneology, but
>left many questions unanswered. Since my clan appears to have settled in
>Cincinnati after coming from Germany in 1846, I'm assuming this obit is from
>there. There is no date or publication name on the article, though it does
>reference that he was the uncle of the editor of the newspaper.
>
>Are these old newspapers available anywhere that I could research further?
>Any helpful hints from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
>
>~Sharon Kroeger Howes
>Shar1313(a)aol.com
> Sharon,
The Cincinnati and Hamilton Public Library main branch has in its
Periodicals and Newspapers Dept. microfilm rolls of now defunct German land
English language newspapers. The most valuable fro me in searching for
home towns of my German ancestors who died in Cinti. is the Cinti.
Volksfreund.
The Library will copy and mail you a copy of any death notice listed for
all of $0.50, I understand. We live in Virginia, but were born in in
Cinti. we are in the City about every 6 to 12 months, and our families
there see me more often at the Library.
Jeff Herbert has researched and published through the Cinti. Genealogical
Society a fine index of deaths in Cinti. for German people in Cinti. from
1850 to 1908 listed in the Volksfreund. This is in the History and
Genealogy Dept. of the Library or can be purchased from the Society. There
is also an Index of Marriages by Mr. Herbert there. Contact me directly if
you need more help on this.
Someone wrote in recently complaining about the Gothic script and German
language in the Notices. I have bought a Websters German dictionary,
puzzled through the gothic script, found codes for gothic, asked help from
German speaking friends in finding the towns and ancestor names. This
puzzle solving is the essence and fun in genealogical research. The info
is there if we are willing to dig for it!
One last blast: Cincinnati is spelled CINCINNATI, not the many other ways
that show up in email!
Good hunting to you all, Bob Niehaus
Date: 1998/11/07 16:12:12
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
In Columbus, there is a book that lists all the German language newspapers in Ohio. They have the book and many of the original papers at the Ohio Historical Society (has a web page, can do death surches for some years about 1908-36 maybe?) The Cinci library has one of the largest gene. collections for local area. Allen County (Ft. Wayne, IN) publishes PERSI, the PERiodical Source Index, of all the gene. periodicals in the country. Obits are sometime reprinted. Another hint: Ernie Thode wrote a book on German Genealogy Terms, handy because most modern German translator programs don't know the lingo. JimA SHAR1313(a)aol.com wrote: > Since I'm new at this, I've been reading and observing everyone's > correspondence for some time now. > > Someone referenced German publications of Cincinnati - can anyone explain > what these were? I have a copy of an obituary printed in German for my great- > great grandfather Gerard Herman Kroeger (born November 20, 1815/Province > Hannover). > > I've been curious about this "German newspaper" as it contains an extensive > article/obit that gave me valuable information regarding my geneology, but > left many questions unanswered. Since my clan appears to have settled in > Cincinnati after coming from Germany in 1846, I'm assuming this obit is from > there. There is no date or publication name on the article, though it does > reference that he was the uncle of the editor of the newspaper. > > Are these old newspapers available anywhere that I could research further? > Any helpful hints from anyone would be greatly appreciated. > > ~Sharon Kroeger Howes > Shar1313(a)aol.com
Date: 1998/11/07 22:24:05
From: Stopan <Stopan(a)aol.com>
<<Gary, Was that ship by chance the Shawmut Cachelot? My wifes ggrandfather left Havre in 1854 after leaving Lorch, Wurttemburg. I have not, as yet, found the port that he entered the US. He went to Cincinnati and became the chief cooper at Proctor and Gamble.>> Dear Robert, Sorry I didn't include the ship name. It was the 'Camillus.' Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ STOLTMAN(N), RITTER, SHOFSTALL, SPECHT (St. Louis)
Date: 1998/11/07 22:48:00
From: Robert M Scharf <rmscharf(a)ocsnet.net>
Gary, Thanks for the quick reply. It doesn't hurt to ask! Bob S. At 04:23 PM 11/7/98 EST, you wrote: ><<Gary, Was that ship by chance the Shawmut Cachelot? My wifes ggrandfather >left Havre in 1854 after leaving Lorch, Wurttemburg. I have not, as yet, >found the port that he entered the US. He went to Cincinnati and became the >chief cooper at Proctor and Gamble.>> > >Dear Robert, > >Sorry I didn't include the ship name. It was the 'Camillus.' > >Gary Stoltman >Mercerville, NJ > >STOLTMAN(N), RITTER, SHOFSTALL, SPECHT (St. Louis) >
Date: 1998/11/08 07:21:44
From: Chuck McBroom <chuck(a)pcis.net>
Hello! My ancestors (surname - Thielbar) go back to the Bremen area of Germany, and I'm trying to learn about the area. Could somebody please tell me about the Bremen area and any other towns (including the names) in the vicinity? Thanks, Chuck chuck(a)pcis.net)
Date: 1998/11/08 13:00:44
From: Herbert Juling <juling(a)lesum.de>
At 23:59 07.11.98 -0600, chuck(a)pcis.net wrote:
>Hello!
>
>My ancestors (surname - Thielbar) go back to the Bremen area of Germany, and
>I'm trying to learn about the area.
>
>Could somebody please tell me about the Bremen area and any other towns
>(including the names) in the vicinity?
Hi Chuck,
Here are some links to interesting webpages of Bremen (unfortunatly mostly
written in German):
http://www.genealogy.com/gene/vereine/maus
Die Maus - Gesellschaft für Familienforschung e.V. Bremen (Society of
genealogy Bremen)
http://www.bremen.de/info/skp/StArchiv/StArchiv.htm
Staatsarchiv Bremen (Archive of the state Bremen)
http://www.bremen.de
Der offizielle Internet Server des Landes und der Stadt Bremen (The
official server of Bremen)
http://www.uni-bremen.de
Universität Bremen (University Bremen)
http://www.hs-bremen.de/
Fachhochschule für Technik (Advanced technical college)
http://www.bremen.de/info/uebersee/
Überseemuseum (Naturkunde-Museum) (museum of natural science)
http://www.bremen.de/info/focke/home.html
Focke Museum (Bremer Landeskunde) (museum of Bremen history)
http://members.aol.com/highsky767/index.html
Worl Genweb Project: Bremen
http://www.europa-bremen.de/bremen/bremen.htm
Mehr über Bremen - Europa-Server (more about Bremen from european point of
view)
http://burgdamm.de - Burgdamm
ein Bremer Stadtteil (part of town Bremen)
http://www.lesum.de
Lesum - ein Bremer Stadtteil (part of town Bremen)
http://www.is-bremen.de/IS-Bremen/IS.html
Internationale Stadt Bremen (inofficial Bremen server)
http://www.bremen-multimedial.de/
Bremen Multimedial e.V.
Hope this is enough for the moment...
Herbert
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Date: 1998/11/08 14:17:38
From: Joseph V. Clawges <jclawges(a)bellsouth.net>
Hello... Is there anyone on here who actually lives in the Hannover area and could possibly answer a local question? Joe Clalwges
Date: 1998/11/08 15:51:37
From: Robert M Scharf <rmscharf(a)ocsnet.net>
Chuck, This is a HUGE request! Have you tried the libraries and encyclopedias yet? Also, a German atlas would show you the many towns in the area. The one I use is the EURO ATLAS of Germany, scale of 1:300,000. It is from the American Map Corporation of Maspeth, NY and should be available in the larger bookstores. At 11:59 PM 11/7/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hello! > >My ancestors (surname - Thielbar) go back to the Bremen area of Germany, and >I'm trying to learn about the area. > >Could somebody please tell me about the Bremen area and any other towns >(including the names) in the vicinity? > >Thanks, > >Chuck >chuck(a)pcis.net) > >
Date: 1998/11/08 18:19:14
From: Charles F. Dirst <cfdirst(a)mtco.com>
Joe Clalwges Re: your question about the Hannover area: I have a friend who lives in Seelze, a few km from Hannover. He may be able to answer your question. He is not on this list, but his email address is <Josef.Gietzen(a)t-online.de>. His friends call him Sepp. Chuck Dirst
Date: 1998/11/08 18:31:22
From: BettyKirk <BettyKirk(a)aol.com>
Bob: Your information on German records in Cincinnati was interesting. I agree that the puzzle solving aspect of genealogical research is a lot of the fun. By the way, I notice you wrote the abbreviation Cinti. a couple of times. I found this in some old family records. Is it a common local abbreviation? What would be the best way to contact the Cincinnati and Hamilton Public Library about finding obituaries? Do you have an e-mail or snail mail address? Also, you state the the index of deaths by Jeff Herbert is available through the Cincinnati Gen Society. Do you know the price (approx) of the index? Do you have an address for the Society? Thanks. Betty
Date: 1998/11/08 18:40:36
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Chuck McBroom schrieb:
> Hello!
>
> My ancestors (surname - Thielbar) go back to the Bremen area of Germany, and
> I'm trying to learn about the area.
>
> Could somebody please tell me about the Bremen area and any other towns
> (including the names) in the vicinity?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
> chuck(a)pcis.net)
---------------------------------->
Hi Chuck,
an other city near of Bremen is Oldenburg, there I do live.
Check out:
http://www.oldenburg.de/ City-Info
http://www.uni-oldenburg.de/ University,
click also NAUSA for emigration research
http://www.nwz-online.de/ news-paper
Werner
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26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/
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Date: 1998/11/08 18:46:16
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Joseph V. Clawges schrieb: > Hello... > Is there anyone on here who actually lives in the Hannover area and > could possibly answer a local question? > Joe Clalwges -------------------------------------- Hello Joseph, sometimes I visit Hannover City, maybe I can help you !? Werner -------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/08 19:20:23
From: Maryanne Andruzzi <lujack3(a)worldnet.att.net>
I am new to this list and I hope someone might give me a clue what I should do next. The information I have is: My grandfather John Henry Puvogel was born in the US in 1892. His birth certificate lists that his parents, John Puvogel and Bertha Kemna (not sure of spelling) were born in Hanover, Germany. I have g grandfather John's death certificate. It indicates that he was born November 29, 1859. His father's name was John and his mother's name was Marie Duncan, both born in Germany. I have Bertha's death certificate. It indicates that she was born October 28, 1866. Her father's name was John "Kanma" which could be an incorrect spelling, and her mother was Marie Bischoff, both born in Germany. Both John and Bertha are buried in New York. I have not as yet found John and Bertha on any census but I am still checking to see if any further information is provided as to their origins. I did some searching on ships passenger lists but didn't find anything yet. I have been looking for the name Puvogel because I am not sure of the spelling of Bertha's maiden name. I do not know if they came to the US together, already married, or if they married here in the US. I do know they had three other children by the time my grandfather was born in 1892. Where would a likely port of departure be for persons leaving Hanover around 1890? Can anyone shed any light on the correct spelling of Bertha's maiden name? Would anyone be researching any of these names? Any suggestions would be helpful? Thank you. Maryanne, New York
Date: 1998/11/08 22:38:12
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
Betty, Cinti. is a frequently used abbreviation for Cincinnati in mail service. another, informal and breezy one is <Cincy> in local writing. The Hamilton County Chapter of the Ohio Genealogical Society has a mail address: P.O. Box 15851, Cincinnati OH 45218-0851. There is a home page internet address: http://members.aol.com/ogshc There is voice mail at 513-956-7078. The Chapter publishes Quarterly news and inquiry letters <The Gazette> and <the Tracer> and membership is $12 per year. they have been offering Herbert's Index book at about $20. Jeff has completed another book <Index of Death Notices from the Cincinnati Volksblatt 1846-1918>. This is now available, also, I believe, for another local German Language newspaper for those years, with microfilm copies at the Public Library. These index books are also available from Heritage Books at www.heritagebooks.com The Public Library of Ciinmcinnati and Hamilton County, 800 Vine St. Cinti. 45202-1071, phone <History and Genealogy Dept.>, 513-369-6905, with main number 513-369-3200. The Library web site is <http://plch.lib.oh.us> Via telnet, if you have this program, at plch.lib.oh.us The obituaries are in the Periodicals Dept <Newspapers and Magazines> Another good local genealogical source, quite active, is the email group: <OHHAMILT-L-request(a)rootsweb.com> and include only one word message <subscribe> You may find a group member who will look up info for you in Cincy. good luck, Bob Niehaus
Date: 1998/11/08 22:50:17
From: Marvin Woltje <marv(a)mindsync.com>
Hi Linda, I am curious if there would be any WOLTJES on your list. I would be very surprised if so but then always looking. (;-) Thanks in advance.
Date: 1998/11/09 01:08:36
From: Jackie E. Erikson <jerikson(a)gte.net>
I am new to these groups. I am looking for leads on one of my ancestors, Heinrich GROBY. His Americanized named, GROBY, has been seen in other versions, GROB and GROBE. I do not know what the German spelling of his name was. The following information is known: Heinrich GROBY, born about 1802 in Germany. His wife, Wilhelmina, was born about 1807. US Federal Census Records for the years 1850-1900 show their places of birth as Germany, Prussia, or Hanover. They came to America in about May 1838. By 1850 they were in St. Louis, Missouri. Census records show the family consisted of: Heinrich GROBY, born about 1802, Germany, Prussia, or Hannover Wilhelmina GROBY, born about 1807, Germany, Prussia, or Hannover Frederica GROBY, born about 1829, Germany, Prussia, or Hannover Frederick GROBY, born about 1834, Germany, Prussia, or Hannover Charles Henry GROBY, born May 1838, Germany, Missouri, or "AT SEA" John William GROBY, born about 1841, Missouri Frederica is shown in the 1860 Federal Census as being born in location deciphered as: "Sabjdetfurth Hor. G." I have assumed that this is probably somewhere in "Hannover, Germany". I can scan the census document and provide anyone with a view at the original entry if it would help. If there is someone out there who can help with this family, I would appreciate any help I can get. Thanks Jackie E. Erikson Baytown, TX USA 77520 E-Mail: jerikson(a)gte.net
Date: 1998/11/09 05:04:26
From: Judy and Tom Martin <martin(a)warwick.net>
Looking for Christian (b. 1/24/1829) and Maria (b.1834 ) MICHAELSON/SEN. He was born in Germany and she in Denmark. They immigrated in 1881 with son Peter (b. Sept.1862 in Denmark). Evidence points to their immigration from Denmark to America. They settled in Platte County, Nebraska. I could not make a match from the Danish Immigration Archives. Judy Martin
Date: 1998/11/09 17:45:09
From: Judy and Tom Martin <martin(a)warwick.net>
Hello Friends:
I am researching John C. BEHRENS(dob 10/1/1837, dod 12/10/1898)
who married Mary (Marie) C. KUENNEMANN (dob June 1, 1851, dod
4/21/1895) in
Shell Creek Township, Platte County, Nebraska May 11, 1875. She was
born in Oldenburg. Her parents were John H. KUENNEMANN and Catharine
EILERS.
John's place of birth is listed as Insul Ruehjen (Ruegen?). Can
anyone
tell me where Insul Ruegen is? John's parents were John BEHRENS and
Johanna S. SANDHAGEN.
Others have done wonderful research dating back to the 1700's on
my
Becher-Mohlmann ancestors from Hollen, Ostfriesland who settled first in
Illinois and finally in Platte County. I hope to do the same with my
other lines.
Judy Martin
Date: 1998/11/09 17:54:31
From: BettyKirk <BettyKirk(a)aol.com>
Bob: Thanks so much for all the information. It gives me a lot to work on! Betty
Date: 1998/11/09 20:17:22
From: IRGRAFFMAN <IRGRAFFMAN(a)delphi.com>
Hello, just discovered an ancestor possibly being from Bremen. Looking at a map it was not clear if Bremen was part of Hannover. If it was then the person for whom I am searching is Arnold BLOMER who resided in Philadelphia from aprox 1840 till his death in 1860. Thank you!
Date: 1998/11/09 21:05:42
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Maryanne Andruzzi schrieb: > I am new to this list and I hope someone might give me a clue what I > should do next. The information I have is: > My grandfather John Henry Puvogel was born in the US in 1892. His > birth certificate lists that his parents, John Puvogel and Bertha > Kemna (not sure of spelling) were born in Hanover, Germany. > I have g grandfather John's death certificate. It indicates that he > was born November 29, 1859. His father's name was John and his > mother's name was Marie Duncan, both born in Germany. > I have Bertha's death certificate. It indicates that she was born > October 28, 1866. Her father's name was John "Kanma" which could be > an incorrect spelling, and her mother was Marie Bischoff, both born in > Germany. > Both John and Bertha are buried in New York. > I have not as yet found John and Bertha on any census but I am still > checking to see if any further information is provided as to their > origins. > I did some searching on ships passenger lists but didn't find anything > yet. I have been looking for the name Puvogel because I am not sure > of the spelling of Bertha's maiden name. I do not know if they came > to the US together, already married, or if they married here in the > US. I do know they had three other children by the time my > grandfather was born in 1892. > Where would a likely port of departure be for persons leaving Hanover > around 1890? > Can anyone shed any light on the correct spelling of Bertha's maiden > name? > Would anyone be researching any of these names? > Any suggestions would be helpful? > Thank you. > Maryanne, New York ----------------------------------> Hello Maryanne, I checked the German phone directory: - 119 Puvogel, most near Bremen: Oyten, Achim, Ottersberg, Schwanewede - 409 Kemna (not any Kanma), I can not see any concentration on a place - 81 Duncan, not any concentration - 9832 Bischoff, not any concentration Werner --------------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/09 23:10:40
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Jackie E. Erikson schrieb: > I am new to these groups. I am looking for leads on one of my ancestors, > Heinrich GROBY. His Americanized named, GROBY, has been seen in other > versions, GROB and GROBE. I do not know what the German spelling of his > name was. The following information is known: > > Heinrich GROBY, born about 1802 in Germany. His wife, Wilhelmina, was born > about 1807. US Federal Census Records for the years 1850-1900 show their > places of birth as Germany, Prussia, or Hanover. They came to America in > about May 1838. By 1850 they were in St. Louis, Missouri. Census records > show the family consisted of: > > Heinrich GROBY, born about 1802, Germany, Prussia, or Hannover > Wilhelmina GROBY, born about 1807, Germany, Prussia, or Hannover > Frederica GROBY, born about 1829, Germany, Prussia, or Hannover > Frederick GROBY, born about 1834, Germany, Prussia, or Hannover > Charles Henry GROBY, born May 1838, Germany, Missouri, or "AT SEA" > John William GROBY, born about 1841, Missouri > > Frederica is shown in the 1860 Federal Census as being born in location > deciphered as: "Sabjdetfurth Hor. G." I have assumed that this is probably > somewhere in "Hannover, Germany". I can scan the census document and > provide anyone with a view at the original entry if it would help. > > If there is someone out there who can help with this family, I would > appreciate any help I can get. > > Thanks > > Jackie E. Erikson > Baytown, TX USA 77520 > E-Mail: jerikson(a)gte.net -------------------------------------------> The German phone directory shows: - 25 Groby - 800 Grob - 2213 Grobe I can not see any concentration. Maybe your "Sabjdetfuhrt" is "Bad Salzdetfuhrt" county Hildesheim, 25 km southerly of Hildesheim. There I could find follows addresses: Grobe, Helmut (05060) 1557 Brunnenstr. 6 31162 Bad Salzdetfurth Grobe, Lars (05063) 748 Elsa-Brandström-Str. 13 31162 Bad Salzdetfurth Grobe, Torsten (05060) 6534 Breinum Brunnenstr. 6 31162 Bad Salzdetfurth Good luck, Werner -------------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/09 23:43:14
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
IRGRAFFMAN(a)delphi.com schrieb: > Hello, just discovered an ancestor possibly being from Bremen. Looking > at a map it was not clear if Bremen was part of Hannover. > > If it was then the person for whom I am searching is Arnold BLOMER > who resided in Philadelphia from aprox 1840 till his death in 1860. > > Thank you! ---------------------------------> Bremen is not a part of Hannover, it is a own city state. Werner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/09 23:48:18
From: GenFritz <GenFritz(a)aol.com>
Looking for Birth Death or marriage or other children info on Henry and Adelbert (Fink) Gehrke of Hannover Germany. Descendants of Henry Gehrke Generation No. 1 1. HENRY1 GEHRKE was born Unknown in Germany, and died Unknown. He married ADELBERT FINK Unknown. Child of HENRY GEHRKE and ADELBERT FINK is: 2. i. AUGUST2 GERKE, b. May 18, 1857, Germany; d. April 30, 1924, Greenfield, Milwaukee, WI, USA. Generation No. 2 2. AUGUST2 GERKE (HENRY1 GEHRKE) was born May 18, 1857 in Hannover Germany, and died April 30, 1924 in Greenfield, Milwaukee, WI, USA. He married SOPHIA STELLOH Unknown. More About AUGUST GERKE: Buried: May 03, 1924, Good HOPE CEM, MILWAUKEE, WI, USA More About SOPHIA STELLOH: Buried: January 16, 1929, Good Hope Cem., Milwaukee, WI, USA Children of AUGUST GERKE and SOPHIA STELLOH are: i. CONRAD3 GERKE, b. 1876, Hanover, Germany; d. Unknown; m. DORA SCHROEDES, Unknown. ii. FREDRICK ALBERT JOHN GERKE, b. August 09, 1883, Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA; d. September 11, 1948, Plattsburg, Clinton, New York, USA1; m. EDITH GRACE LAVIGNE, Unknown. More About FREDRICK ALBERT JOHN GERKE: Buried: Mt. Carmel, Cem., Plattsburg, Clinton, N.Y.1 Christened: Wisconsin Notes for EDITH GRACE LAVIGNE: Her Death Certificate says she was Born 08-22-1893 in Morrisonville, Clinton, N.Y. Some in Family Disagree with this date + place. More About EDITH GRACE LAVIGNE: Buried: April 20, 1967, Mt. Carmel, Cem., Plattsburg, Clinton, N.Y.4 Christened: August 13, 1892, St Augustine Chu, Peru, New York, USA iii. ADELINE GERKE, b. Unknown; d. Unknown. iv. HILDA GERKE, b. Unknown; d. Unknown. v. ANN GERKE, b. Unknown; d. Unknown. vi. SOPHIA GERKE, b. Unknown; d. Unknown. vii. WILLIAM F GERKE, b. Unknown; d. Unknown. viii. MARGARET GERKE, b. Unknown; d. Unknown.
Date: 1998/11/09 23:56:57
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Judy and Tom Martin schrieb: > Hello Friends: > > I am researching John C. BEHRENS(dob 10/1/1837, dod 12/10/1898) > who married Mary (Marie) C. KUENNEMANN (dob June 1, 1851, dod > 4/21/1895) in > Shell Creek Township, Platte County, Nebraska May 11, 1875. She was > born in Oldenburg. Her parents were John H. KUENNEMANN and Catharine > EILERS. > John's place of birth is listed as Insul Ruehjen (Ruegen?). Can > anyone > tell me where Insul Ruegen is? John's parents were John BEHRENS and > Johanna S. SANDHAGEN. > > Others have done wonderful research dating back to the 1700's on > my > Becher-Mohlmann ancestors from Hollen, Ostfriesland who settled first in > Illinois and finally in Platte County. I hope to do the same with my > other lines. > > Judy Martin --------------------------> Hello Judy, I think your "Insul Ruehjen" could be "Insel Rügen" (or Island Ruegen). It is located north-east of Germany county Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Werner --------------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/10 03:20:20
From: Caeser1932 <Caeser1932(a)aol.com>
Sharon,
If you are going to Cincinnati to ckeck on the name Kroeger, be sure to
check in the Kenton County Library on Scott St in Covington, Ky. St Joseph
Church records on microfilm there. If I recall, I remember seeing Kroegers in
the records. Records begin circa 1856. Lots of catholics from Hannover and
Oldenburg in that parish wihch is no longer in existence.
Jerry Twohig
Date: 1998/11/10 03:29:24
From: Caeser1932 <Caeser1932(a)aol.com>
Sharon,
If you contact the Cincinnati Public library via telnet or via direct
dial up networking 1 513 369 3200, and access their Newsdex, you can type in a
name and get the newspaper, page and column of the reference. Then you might
be able to ask then to look it up on microfilm, copy the page and send it to
you.
Jerry
Date: 1998/11/10 14:19:36
From: IRGRAFFMAN <IRGRAFFMAN(a)delphi.com>
Thank you Werner, for the information. Ira
Date: 1998/11/10 21:57:33
From: Rowena White <herbrow(a)pld.com>
To J Kelsey Jones, There is a Hannover list: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net that is interesting. Rowena
Date: 1998/11/11 01:31:15
From: Jens Mueller-Koppe <hrs(a)pop3.vossnet.de>
Dear Maryanne Andruzzi, I am living im Bremen and I think that I am able to add some informations to what Werner already wrote about the appearance of the surnames you mentioned. I know that the surname Kaemena, which points without doubt to some parishes just east from Bremen (Osterholz, Arbergen) was often written like Kemna and Kaemna until the 19th century. May be this idea and the distribution of the Puvogel surname can lead to the conclusion that you family was from the rural areas of the city state of Bremen or from the Hannoverian parishes just east from Bremen, like Arbergen (belonging to Bremen since 1939). In the parish were I live (Arbergen) there are (and were) a lot Puvogel, Kaemna and Bischoff families. After I am just about to put the Arbergen parish registers in a database I can check the two birthdates in Arbergen for free as soon as I get the opportunity. If it comes to more thorough lookups I would have to charge you, because I am a professional genealogist and historian and earn my living on this kind of research. Best greetings, Jens Mueller-Koppe HISTORICAL RESEARCH SERVICES, Germany (Bremen) For fee informations and for a collection of "Informations about Northern Germany Genealogy" (including a growing list of presaved and accessable Hannoverian parish registers) please take a look at: http://pages.vossnet.de/hrs
Date: 1998/11/11 05:52:21
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
Hello all, Can anyone tell me what church records are available for B"uckeburg? I am interested in marriage records for 1813, probably Lutheran. My ancestor Johann Heinrich BLASS and Elizabeth KLEIN, were married there in Feb 1813. Thanks for any help. Janet Cassidy-Stroh
Date: 1998/11/11 13:43:17
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>
Judy and Tom Martin wrote: > > Looking for Christian (b. 1/24/1829) and Maria (b.1834 ) > MICHAELSON/SEN. He was born in Germany and she in Denmark. They > immigrated in 1881 with son Peter (b. Sept.1862 in Denmark). Evidence > points to their immigration from Denmark to America. They settled in > Platte County, Nebraska. I could not make a match from the > Danish Immigration Archives. > > Judy Martin I assume that you looked at the Copenhagen, Denmark lists 1868-1911 which are arranged alphabetical by year. These are available at the LDS Family History Centers, (look under Denmark - Emigration in their catalog). You can also search the passenger lists which may have some more information than you presently have, e.g. ship name, date and ports and arrival, occupation, possibly place of birth, and names of fellow travelers. If you have no other information as to which port they arrived at, and since they ended up in Nebraska, you may start with the ports of New Orleans or New York. For New Orleans, check the Index to Passenger lists, NARA microfilm publication T527 (LDS microfilm number 0543403). Unfortunately, 1881 was one of the years that were not indexed. You can first try looking at "Germans to America" by Filby, and if you are certain that they did arrive in 1881, you can search all passenger lists for ships arriving in that year (this is a tedious job, but you may find them) My Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists at: http://home.att.net/~arnielang provides step by step instructions on finding and using the lists. -- Arnold Lang arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net
Date: 1998/11/12 07:19:45
From: Carolyn Bening <cbening(a)sockets.net>
Janet, Do you have access to a LDS Church Family Center? You can check their locality fiche or computer cd for Buckeburg to see what parish or civil records are available. I have had excellent results with church records from Germany on LDS film for all my family trees. If you give me your location, I can check with local LDS church for one closest to you. Carolyn in Missouri ---------- > From: Caiside(a)aol.com > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: records in B"uckeburg > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:51 PM > > Hello all, > Can anyone tell me what church records are available for B"uckeburg? I am > interested in marriage records for 1813, probably Lutheran. > My ancestor Johann Heinrich BLASS and Elizabeth KLEIN, were married there in > Feb 1813. > > Thanks for any help. > Janet Cassidy-Stroh
Date: 1998/11/12 15:58:22
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 11/12/98 2:22:00 AM, you wrote: <<f you give me your location, I can check with local LDS church for one closest to you. >> Carolyn, Thanks, but I know where mine is, I go there regularly. I will look in the catalog when I get a chance, but I had just finally deciphered a town name on a xerox of microfilm (that I got in the FHC) and was so excited I wanted an instant answer! Thought maybe someone would just know offhand because maybe someone was from there or working on same place. Janet
Date: 1998/11/12 18:22:30
From: MARVIN Brandes <marf.brandes(a)wxs.nl>
Hello everyone ,
I'm looking foir the Brandes family .
Henricus Christoffel Brandes,born 1790 in Burgdorf.
The city birth registers of that year were destroyed in a fire, can
someone help me out.
Thanks,
M.Brandes
Date: 1998/11/13 17:51:49
From: MARVIN Brandes <marf.brandes(a)wxs.nl>
Hi you all,
I'm looking for the data of the following microfilm from the
Ahnenstammkartei das Deutschen volkes; Microfilm nr. 17.98.503
It contains the following names; Bracklau
Branger
Brandt
Brandes
Brandis
Thanks to you all
Marvin Brandes
Date: 1998/11/14 12:00:55
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>
First of all I'm assuming that the List is also interested in HANKIN as well as HANKINS. If not please let me know. I'm seeking anyone with a connection to Montagu HANKIN b: 28 Mar 1892 San Raefel, CA; d: May 1974, Summit, Union, NJ. He married _?_ SCHMIDT (probably in NJ). If anyone has a connection or information on this couple I would be happy to exchange information. Frank Wenzel fwenz(a)hom.net Researching: Aders, Bendernagel, Bilstein, Crittenden, Eichele, Helck, Horldin, Moore, Pape, Ranft, Smylie, Tucker, Van Ameringe & Wenzel
Date: 1998/11/15 00:07:40
From: TheJenks8 <TheJenks8(a)aol.com>
I have been searching for a Holland bulletin board for some time. I have ancestor, William Meyers, who emigrated from Holland shortly after 1850 with his parents. So. would appreciate any info. on a bulletin board, or web site, for Holland. Thanks Ruth Jenkins
Date: 1998/11/15 04:44:03
From: Arnold Lang <arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net>
TheJenks8(a)aol.com wrote: > > I have been searching for a Holland bulletin board for some time. I have > ancestor, William Meyers, who emigrated from Holland shortly after 1850 with > his parents. > So. would appreciate any info. on a bulletin board, or web site, for Holland. > Thanks > Ruth Jenkins Check Cyndi's List of Netherland genealogy sites on the web at: http://www.CyndisList.com/nether.htm There are links to a hundred different web sites including two mailing lists. -- Arnold Lang arnielang(a)worldnet.att.net Visit the Research Guide to Immigration and Ships Passenger Lists at: http://home.att.net/~arnielang
Date: 1998/11/15 17:35:38
From: MITHRUS1 <MITHRUS1(a)aol.com>
Hi All. I am in the 13th century with my research and need assistance with a translation of German, Prussian decent.... Reference on my church records is to: Occupation: Knappe 1216, then Knight in the Haus of Waschow 1224-1246. Can anyone tell me what an educated explanation of a Knappe is? I have read German Poetry and plays and it appears to refer to, or has been stated as "Gentlemen to the King, Prince," etc. Thank you! Mithrus1(a)aol.com
Date: 1998/11/15 19:45:46
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 15 Nov 98, at 11:32, MITHRUS1(a)aol.com wrote about In the Year 1216...what is a Knappe?: > I am in the 13th century with my research and > need assistance with a translation of German, Prussian decent.... That's a pretty early time frame to be establishing descent from. What people were back then is really open to question as people associated more with smaller communities like towns or families than ethnic groups like Prussian. Because of intermarriage and co- mingling that's all open to question anyhow. > Reference on my church records is to: > Occupation: Knappe 1216, then Knight in the Haus of Waschow 1224-1246. First of all it is not an occupation. It was a state of life and in this case just a preliminary step to becoming a Ritter or knight. Occupations as such are also hard to define for this time period as most people either raised food or had others raise it for them because of their more exalted status. fred Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838
Date: 1998/11/15 20:16:51
From: Bob Borchers <bobb(a)inreach.com>
>From Ernest Thode's German/English Genealogical Dictionary: Knappe = Shieldbearer; candidate for knight; squire Bob ---------- > From: MITHRUS1(a)aol.com > To: TRIER-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.co > Cc: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net; mecklenburg-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: In the Year 1216...what is a Knappe? > Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 8:32 AM > > Hi All. > > I am in the 13th century with my research and > need assistance with a translation of German, Prussian decent.... > > Reference on my church records is to: > Occupation: Knappe 1216, then Knight in the Haus of Waschow 1224-1246. > > Can anyone tell me what an educated explanation of a Knappe is? I have read > German Poetry and plays and it appears to refer to, or has been stated as > "Gentlemen to the King, Prince," etc. > > Thank you! Mithrus1(a)aol.com
Date: 1998/11/15 22:14:23
From: MITHRUS1 <MITHRUS1(a)aol.com>
Fred, Thank you for your response. Very exciting research, as I have the line from 1997 into 1182. It was a bit easier due to some royality lines in Germany and a most exciting venture to say the least having had the family documented in Mecklenberg archives. Thanks again..........Mithrus1(a)aol.com > > First of all it is not an occupation. It was a state of life and in this > case just a preliminary step to becoming a Ritter or knight. > Occupations as such are also hard to define for this time period as > most people either raised food or had others raise it for them > because of their more exalted status.
Date: 1998/11/15 22:15:30
From: MITHRUS1 <MITHRUS1(a)aol.com>
Bob, Many Thanks!!! Mithrus1(a)aol.com > > From Ernest Thode's German/English Genealogical Dictionary: > > Knappe = Shieldbearer; candidate for knight; squire > > Bob
Date: 1998/11/15 22:16:33
From: TheJenks8 <TheJenks8(a)aol.com>
Thanks Arnold, I have looked again at Cyndi's list, and have found the web site I think will answer my needs. Hopefully. Thanks. Ed J
Date: 1998/11/16 02:51:26
From: Stopan <Stopan(a)aol.com>
<<just a preliminary step to becoming a Ritter or knight.>> Dear Fred, What was a RITTER? Thanks, Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ
Date: 1998/11/16 14:22:11
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
From: "W. Fred Rump" <fred(a)k2nesoft.com> Organization: at home To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:54:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Ritter Reply-to: fred(a)k2nesoft.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <9b56624b.364f8486(a)aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 15 Nov 98, at 20:48, Stopan(a)aol.com wrote about Ritter: From: Stopan(a)aol.com Date sent: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:48:54 EST To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Ritter Send reply to: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > <<just a preliminary step to becoming a Ritter or knight.>> > > Dear Fred, > > What was a RITTER? or knight? Comes from Reiten and rider. Fred Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838 Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838
Date: 1998/11/16 19:48:12
From: Stopan <Stopan(a)aol.com>
Fred, Hope it's warm for your old bones! Please do me a favor as I believe your answer was cut short on "RITTER." Have a good winter. Gary Stoltman in chilly Mercerville, NJ
Date: 1998/11/17 00:58:19
From: FOhlsen550 <FOhlsen550(a)aol.com>
Hope someone can help me with definition. Following was written c. 1970 by a native german-speaker who spent first ~25 years of her life in or around Rekum. Written concerning a mutual ancestor in 18th or early 19th century Schwanewede. "Major Vollrath Josua von Viereck Kirchenpatron in Schwanewede Vollrath Josua (Israelitisdur Namer) Natan Schwanewede (Christlicher Name)" Apologize for my spelling errors, if any, this is what the handwriting looks like to me. What is "Kirchenpatron"? Patron of church seems too easy. Perhaps a civic position? What is "Israelitisdur Namer"? Could it be surname? Dictionaries, online and off not really helpful. Thank you in advance for any assistance rendered. FOhlsen550(a)aol.com
Date: 1998/11/17 06:03:41
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 16 Nov 98, at 13:47, Stopan(a)aol.com wrote about Re: Ritter: > Hope it's warm for your old bones! Please do me a favor as I believe your > answer was cut short on "RITTER." Have a good winter. Well, for once I was very short. :-) Like I said, I believe that rider and Ritter are part of the same germanic root. In the early days only the wealthy noble class could afford a horse and these became the Ritter class - ie the knights of old. Don't know what else I can add to that to make it any longer. So far the winter here is defined by my wife's wishes to have the air conditioning on at night and by my wishing to sleep without it. I'd rather forgo the covers. :-) It's a tough life. Fred Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838
Date: 1998/11/17 06:30:55
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 16 Nov 98, at 18:57, FOhlsen550(a)aol.com wrote about Kirchenpatron: > Hope someone can help me with definition. Following was written c. 1970 > by a native german-speaker who spent first ~25 years of her life in or > around Rekum. Written concerning a mutual ancestor in 18th or early 19th > century Schwanewede. > > "Major Vollrath Josua von Viereck > Kirchenpatron in Schwanewede > Vollrath Josua (Israelitisdur Namer) > Natan Schwanewede (Christlicher Name)" What you apparently have here is a high-ranking officer who at one point was Jewish but tool a Christian name and even sponsored the local church with an income stream. He took the name of the community or estate of Schwanewede. > Apologize for my spelling errors, if any, this is what the handwriting > looks like to me. What is "Kirchenpatron"? Patron of church seems too > easy. Perhaps a civic position? Think of it as a sponsor who funded the church. This was the way they normally received income. Perhaps he gave the church a piece of land which it then used for its own puirposes. Patron makes sense as a concept too. > What is "Israelitisdur Namer"? Could it > be surname? Dictionaries, online and off not really helpful. This is Israelischer Name or Jewish (Israelite) name. Fred Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838
Date: 1998/11/17 09:07:22
From: MARVIN Brandes <marf.brandes(a)wxs.nl>
I think kirchenpatron is the "protector" of the Church FOhlsen550(a)aol.com schreef: > > Hope someone can help me with definition. Following was written c. 1970 by a > native german-speaker who spent first ~25 years of her life in or around > Rekum. Written concerning a mutual ancestor in 18th or early 19th century > Schwanewede. > > "Major Vollrath Josua von Viereck > Kirchenpatron in Schwanewede > Vollrath Josua (Israelitisdur Namer) > Natan Schwanewede (Christlicher Name)" > > Apologize for my spelling errors, if any, this is what the handwriting looks > like to me. What is "Kirchenpatron"? Patron of church seems too easy. > Perhaps a civic position? What is "Israelitisdur Namer"? Could it be > surname? Dictionaries, online and off not really helpful. > > Thank you in advance for any assistance rendered. > > FOhlsen550(a)aol.com
Date: 1998/11/17 12:33:04
From: Carsten Laekamp <lakamp(a)capway.com>
"W. Fred Rump" <fred(a)k2nesoft.com> writes:
> On 16 Nov 98, at 13:47, Stopan(a)aol.com wrote about Re: Ritter:
>
> > Hope it's warm for your old bones! Please do me a favor as I believe your
> > answer was cut short on "RITTER." Have a good winter.
>
> Well, for once I was very short. :-)
>
> Like I said, I believe that rider and Ritter are part of the same
> germanic root. In the early days only the wealthy noble class could
> afford a horse and these became the Ritter class - ie the knights of
> old. Don't know what else I can add to that to make it any longer.
Let me try :)
In high German (*not* Hochdeutsch as a standard language !), rider and
knight both translate to 'Ritter'.
BTW: in 11th-Century English, "rider" meant a _knight_ who owned a
horse...things aren't that far apart :)
This also means that not all knights could afford a riding horse (but
I guess that, in some regions, wealthy peasants ("labourers", 14th
cent.) could afford a draught horse).
--
Carsten Läkamp
claekamp(a)mindless.com
Date: 1998/11/17 14:13:16
From: Joanne Hintz <jhintz(a)wavefront.com>
Can anyone help decipher a couple of place names? Due to difficulty reading church records as well as possible misspellings at the time, one appears to be: Augusta A Rudolph, born 11-3-1823 Sctwachewalde, Kreis Arnswalde, Pommern. The maybe easier, unless there are many with the same name: Aenstettin, Pommern
Date: 1998/11/18 00:54:31
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>
I'm passing this on from another mail list: <<<<<<<<<<<< This was posted on another list. I have posted it here FYI. I would suggest that those of you who belong to other groups might pass it on. I would be devastated if I missed something like this regarding one of my ancestors. Subject: Mark Crosby Jr Discharge paper Civil War From: Richard H. Greene-rhunterg(a)ix.netcom.com Subject: Fwd:Found: Original Civil War Discharge Paper Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:39:24 -0800 I don't know how to get this posted nation-wide. But, I would like to see this original document returned to a member of the original family. My mother-in-law bought a picture frame at an estate sale in Tucson, AZ. When she took the picture out and removed the cardboard from behind it, a very delicate, old, and yellowed piece of paper fell out. This is a summary of what was written and readable on the paper: Civil War Discharge Paper For: Mark CROSBY, Jr. Private, Company B, 16th Regiment Union Army From Yarmouth, Massachussetts Entered service in 1860 and left service 1864 Marked Paid and signed by B. McCONNELL Description: 5 ft. 3 inches, gray eyes, dark curly hair. He was a clerk in the Union Army. Entered in the Auditors records on July 26, 1870 This document bears the Union Crest. Help me post this for others to read. If you know someone who might be interested in this document, please E-Mail a reply to my inquiry. A life is not lost when it is known to future generations. Help me keep Mark CROSBY, Jr. alive for his family. Forward this message to anywhere you think might help. Happy Hunting Nancy J. Smith n-smith1(a)ti.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Wenzel fwenz(a)hom.net Researching: Aders, Bendernagel, Bilstein, Crittenden, Eichele, Helck, Horldin, Moore, Pape, Ranft, Smylie, Tucker, Van Ameringe & Wenzel
Date: 1998/11/18 03:04:10
From: Stopan <Stopan(a)aol.com>
Fred, Thanks. The original message came thru with only the final 6-7 words. Yes, I will probably spend a good deal of time tomorrow worrying about you and your air conditioning (or not) problems !! Maybe while I pick out my sweater and worry about all that snow that is sure to come our way this winter. Gary
Date: 1998/11/18 16:39:54
From: Elissa Zurbuchen <eez1(a)psu.edu>
Hello:
I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics of
searching for my Germanic ancestors. I would like to have some sort of
book that would explain the changing of the borders/governments for
particular areas in Hannover (possibly Germany in general) and the dates
these things happen (possibly an overview of the history of this region -
as it pertains to genealogy). Plus have a kind of detailed map, and have
sample query letters in German for various audiences (i.e. churches and
regular folks), plus tips on how best to send query letters (to include $
or not, how much information to send - if that information is in English,
etc)... As well as info on how to search for German ancestors at LDS
and/or other locations. Maybe a book that also includes genealogy terms
translations? (Is there such a book that has all of this?)
I'd like to try to get a book like this from "Santa," as I have
done my share of relying on the kindness of listserve members knowledge for
too long, and I'd like to take the time to learn the "basics" myself....
Thanks to all the very helpful, patient people out there who have
helped me and others with their queries! -elissa
Date: 1998/11/18 19:52:27
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
I'm not sure it exists. Well,, Fred, go write that book! We'd probably all like a copy! Seriously tho, I collect books, and some of my favs are Thode's Germany Genealogical Terms,Riemer' German Research Companion, Germanic Genealogy (Germanic Genealogy Society); Baxter has a primer on ...your German Roots in his series. Now, I'll back out and let the pro's give their grocery list! JimA Elissa Zurbuchen wrote: > Hello: > I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics of > searching for my Germanic ancestors. I would like to have some sort of > book that would explain the changing of the borders/governments for > particular areas in Hannover (possibly Germany in general) and the dates > these things happen (possibly an overview of the history of this region - > as it pertains to genealogy). Plus have a kind of detailed map, and have > sample query letters in German for various audiences (i.e. churches and > regular folks), plus tips on how best to send query letters (to include $ > or not, how much information to send - if that information is in English, > etc)... As well as info on how to search for German ancestors at LDS > and/or other locations. Maybe a book that also includes genealogy terms > translations? (Is there such a book that has all of this?) > I'd like to try to get a book like this from "Santa," as I have > done my share of relying on the kindness of listserve members knowledge for > too long, and I'd like to take the time to learn the "basics" myself.... > Thanks to all the very helpful, patient people out there who have > helped me and others with their queries! -elissa
Date: 1998/11/18 20:31:53
From: PAUL F SCHEELE <PAULFSCHEELE(a)Prodigy.Net>
>Hello: > I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics of >searching for my Germanic ancestors. I recommend "The German Research Companion" authored by Shirley J. Riemer and published by Lorelei Press. Paul F Scheele
Date: 1998/11/18 22:42:01
From: Madsteinke <Madsteinke(a)aol.com>
Hello Elissa, I have a book, that gives a very good overview about Germany and german Research. The name is: Researching and Finding your German Heritage, ISBN 0-937463-12-4 (library of Congress Catalog Card-Number: 90-62026) written by Marilyn Lind It costs about 15 to 20$ the adress for order it is: The Linden Tree 1204 West Prospect Cloquet MN 55720 The contents of the book are: - History and Geography - the religions of the germanic people - German emigration and migration - immigration and settlement in the US - the german ethnic culture and heritage - german names - gazeteers and maps - records in Germany - writing to Germany and german genealogical societies and publications Marilyn Lind also wrote another book: Researching your Family History and Heritage (ISBN 0-937463-13-2) This book is for Research in the USA. Greetings from Lueneburg (near Hamburg) Matthias Steinke
Date: 1998/11/19 01:34:18
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Joanne Hintz schrieb: > Can anyone help decipher a couple of place names? Due to difficulty reading > church records as well as possible misspellings at the time, one appears to > be: > > Augusta A Rudolph, born 11-3-1823 Sctwachewalde, Kreis Arnswalde, Pommern. > > The maybe easier, unless there are many with the same name: > > Aenstettin, Pommern > ------------------------------------------------- Hello Joanne Hintz, your questions is a hard nut, because Pommern is now located in Poland (on the Ostsea Coast) and the places, villages and towns are most renamend after the WWII. Near the town Stettin (now Szczecin) I found this places or villages: - Falkenwalde, now Tanowo, 10 km north-west from Stettin - Arnimswalde, now Zalom, 7 km East from Stettin - Augustwalde, now Wielgowo, 10 km East from Stettin I doun't know how you can research there. Can anyone help in Poland? Werner -------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/19 04:58:50
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 18 Nov 98, at 10:41, Elissa Zurbuchen wrote about German reference books: > I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics of > searching for my Germanic ancestors. I would like to have some sort of > book that would explain the changing of the borders/governments for > particular areas in Hannover (possibly Germany in general) and the dates > these things happen (possibly an overview of the history of this region - > as it pertains to genealogy). Elissa, life should be so easy that we could buy a book to explain it all. :-) Several good books have already been mentioned by others. There is a problem though in your request. Germany in general when? Remember at times there were hundreds of individual countries which eventually made up today's Germany. These merged, divided and remerged because of dynastic and other reasons again and again over time. There is no one book that explains it all. Most of this can only be discovered by concentrating one's research on local areas and then studying the various changes over time in detail. Hannover is a case in point. Where is it now? Where was it yesterday? But when was yesterday? Officially the country ceased to exist as an independent entity after the Prusso-Austrian war of 1865. Before that it had a varied history which involves the Brunswick line and the kings of England. It is quite complicated in its totality. In 1803 it grew because of the secularization of the remaining religious principalities like the Prince-Bishopric of Osnabrueck (Fürstbistum). That country again has its own history going back a thousand years. Then there are all the smaller prinicipalities which existed within the greater whole. I wish there were a book which could cover it all but realistically one has to study the parts to nknow the whole and that is quite a job even for expert historians. > Plus have a kind of detailed map, and have > sample query letters in German for various audiences (i.e. churches and > regular folks), plus tips on how best to send query letters (to include $ > or not, how much information to send - if that information is in English, > etc)... As well as info on how to search for German ancestors at LDS > and/or other locations. Maybe a book that also includes genealogy terms > translations? (Is there such a book that has all of this?) Much of this is available on the German web site (www.genealogy.net). Too few people really research all the available material there. Even if some of it is in Germany only, it can be understood for its basic history. The terms, the letters, they are all out there. > I'd like to try to get a book like this from "Santa," as I have > done my share of relying on the kindness of listserve members knowledge > for too long, and I'd like to take the time to learn the "basics" > myself.... There will always be questions and Santa is the Internet. Use it. Ask questions. That's what the information revolutiuon is all about. Everybody is your neighbor. Fred The Rumps at Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838 PS Genealogists live in the past lane
Date: 1998/11/19 20:54:29
From: LTBoehmke <LTBoehmke(a)aol.com>
My research in 1700s in the towns of Schellerton and Schwiecheldt in Hannover includes the SEHLER/SEELER families. I am researching also the MEYER,MEIER family of Gadenstedt from the same period in Hannover. I enjoying exchanging information. Thanks, LaVerne
Date: 1998/11/19 22:28:40
From: MARVIN Brandes <marf.brandes(a)wxs.nl>
Hi you all,
Searching for fam. of Henricus Christoffel Brandes,born 21-04-1790 in
Burgdorf, near Hannover.
Related fam;
- van der Hoeff
- Valk
- Tussenbroek
- Coucke
- Hodister
Castelijn
Greetings,
Marvin Brandes.
Date: 1998/11/19 23:11:51
From: LTBoehmke <LTBoehmke(a)aol.com>
One of my husband's ancestors first marriage was to a Brandes, but I don't
have his first names.
In the second marriage record in the Ev.-Luth. church in Schellerton,
Hannover,
she is described as the Widow Ilse Margarethe Sophia BRANDES, born LEGE, 33
1/4 years old, and daughter of the retired Berend Lege, 18 June 1812.
She would have been born about 1775. She died 21 Aug 1834 in Schellerton.
Schellerton church burned in 1783, so the oldest records begin in 1874.
Do hope this will provide some leads.
LaVerne
Date: 1998/11/19 23:28:38
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
Hello all: I am (still) researching the name SOHNS in Hannover city and in villages west of Hannover. My Maria SOHNS was born somewhere in this area, about 1860--64. Her parents (names unknown) died when she was young and she was raised by aunts or cousins. In about 1878, she married a musician, Adolph BLASS, whose family were from Bielefeld in Westfalen. Adolph and Maria had 1 daughter, Johanne Blass, born March 1879 (place unknown). Adolph and his father August, and possibly Adolph's brother Ernst, emigrated sometime soon after that, and MAria and the baby followed in September 1879. I am searching for the birthplaces of Maria Sohns and Johanne Blass and am interested in any information on the name SOHNS, as it seems to be a rare one. Any SOHNS descendants out there? Janet Cassidy-Stroh
Date: 1998/11/20 05:09:24
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 18 Nov 98, at 21:46, Werner Honkomp wrote about Re: Place names: I did not reply to this post because it has no business in the hannover list and should be addressed to pommern- l(a)genealogy.net Fred Date sent: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:46:56 +0100 To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: Place names From: Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de (Werner Honkomp) Send reply to: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Joanne Hintz schrieb: > > Can anyone help decipher a couple of place names? Due to difficulty > > reading church records as well as possible misspellings at the time, one > > appears to > > be: > > > > Augusta A Rudolph, born 11-3-1823 Sctwachewalde, Kreis Arnswalde, > > Pommern. > > > > The maybe easier, unless there are many with the same name: > > > > Aenstettin, Pommern > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Hello Joanne Hintz, > > your questions is a hard nut, because Pommern is now located in Poland (on > the Ostsea Coast) and the places, villages and towns are most renamend > after the WWII. > > Near the town Stettin (now Szczecin) I found this places or villages: - > Falkenwalde, now Tanowo, 10 km north-west from Stettin - Arnimswalde, now > Zalom, 7 km East from Stettin - Augustwalde, now Wielgowo, 10 km East > from Stettin > > I doun't know how you can research there. > > Can anyone help in Poland? > > Werner > -------------------------------------------------- > Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de > Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: > http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg > Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY > The Rumps at Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838 PS Genealogists live in the past lane
Date: 1998/11/20 05:09:33
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
>Hello: I am looking for a book that would help me with the basics of >>searching for my Germanic ancestors. >I recommend "The German Research Companion" authored by Shirley J. Riemer >and published by Lorelei Press. >Paul F Scheele I agree. Good book. Also try "The Atlantic bridge to Germany / by Charles M. Hall " Logan, Utah : Everton Publishers, c1974-c1993 Also "The German Connection" a periodical by The German Research Association. Back issues can be found at: http://www.feefhs.org/gra/gra-pub.html There is a nice historical outline begining in Vol. 18, No. 3, continued in Vol. 19, No. 1, and concluding in Vol 19, No. 3. But there is a lot of good information throughout. **** But the following website is as good or better than any book ****: http://www.genealogy.com/gene/ Excellent!!! Thanks to everyone who made this site a reality! I really appreciate it! Paul
Date: 1998/11/20 18:02:17
From: MARVIN Brandes <marf.brandes(a)wxs.nl>
Hi, Thank you for the info but that is another fam. and they have there TREE on the internet, sorry but I don't know were the URL is ,if pass it again I will let you now. Thanks, Marvin Brandes LTBoehmke(a)aol.com schreef: > > One of my husband's ancestors first marriage was to a Brandes, but I don't > have his first names. > In the second marriage record in the Ev.-Luth. church in Schellerton, > Hannover, > she is described as the Widow Ilse Margarethe Sophia BRANDES, born LEGE, 33 > 1/4 years old, and daughter of the retired Berend Lege, 18 June 1812. > > She would have been born about 1775. She died 21 Aug 1834 in Schellerton. > > Schellerton church burned in 1783, so the oldest records begin in 1874. > > Do hope this will provide some leads. > > LaVerne > >
Date: 1998/11/21 22:06:17
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 20 Nov 98, at 12:08, Mary Ann Conrad wrote about Datenschutzgsetz:
Date sent: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:08:40 -0600
To: <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
From: Mary Ann Conrad <maconrad(a)flash.net>
Subject: Datenschutzgsetz
> Fred,
> Can you explain this law to me. I would like to to locate information on
> some ancestors in the Essen area, but several years ago they would not
> provide the info to me because of some law, but they did not explain. I
> guess they assumed that I understood their reason for denying my request
> for a death record. Does this rule also apply to church records?
This may be where someone else asked for an explanation but I
did not understand where the confusion was.
Europe, but especially Germany, have some very stringent lawsto
pevent the dissemination of data to anyone but the government
which apparently knows everything but isn't supposed to tell
anyone about what it knows. The privacy laws have their good and
bad points as a law-abiding public and an even more fussy
bureaucracy stretch the law way beyond its actual implications.
The law itseld is certainly designed to protect everyone from
everyone else. That is everybody lives on an island in ever tighter
and constricted space and it is felt that walls of privacy around
every home and family are more important than the free
dissemination of information. The internet especially is suspect of
breaking these walls down and in effect have placed Europe into a
developing nations category as far as information interchange goes.
Vastly fewer people, on per capita basis, have internet access then
they do in the US for example. That being said as a quick
explantion how does this affect the genealogist?
Records kept by the state are kept private for 110 years. If one has
specific requests and specific prior information as to birth dates
and locations, and if one is directly related (Parent or child) one
can get data from anywhere usually for a fee. Sadly, the churches
have assumed that the state's laws are also their laws (they aren't).
So in effect most church organizations hold themselves to the
same tight privacy laws established by the state for itself. This
means that a baptismal date is as secret as a church wedding
date or a church burial. Most of the parties who are permitted
access already now this information but so it goes. Others may
punt.
There is an out all this. If you can demonstrate a magical urgent
and legal need for the data they will bend the rules and give it to
you. But it's always a hassle and the onus for proof is up to you.
>From personal experience I find that the system sucks to say the
least. My poor mother searched all her life for the son of her
deceased sister (my cousin was a baby at the time) but was
unable to find him. I pursued the search and after two visits to
Germany and many letters to all kinds of places and agencies, I
finally wised up and told an Einwohnermeldeamt (civil registration
bureau) that my mother had left a legacy to this person and that
changed everything. They gave me his address but not his phone
number. That was still illegal. :-) So I went to the nearest phone
booth and looked it up. That finally established contact after an
almost 50 year search. Such is the stupidity of laws which make
no sense but all in the name of privacy.
So, the Datenschutzgesetz, is the law which secures all this bliss
for German citicens. They have a whole government branch with
official guardians to ensure that no one leaks anything anywhere.
The people say they like it that way. They do not understand that if
the state kept its fingers out of their personal data, none of this
would be necessary. But then we get into a whole different cultural
thing where Americans tell the state basically nothing because we
feel that is none of their business. Very different systems of
government.
Fred
The Rumps at
Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort
4788 Corian Court
Naples, FL 34114-9418
941-775-7838 PS Genealogists live in the past lane
Date: 1998/11/21 23:59:56
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
Can someone tell me whether there is a genealogical society in Hannover (specialising in families from that area), and if so, their address? Thanks, Janet C-S
Date: 1998/11/22 12:31:54
From: David & Jenny Myers <vk2rd(a)hunterlink.net.au>
Hi La Verne, We have MEYER from Banteln, King. of Hannover, first known birth ca. 1816-17, Heinrich. Just a little trivia, don't really expect to find a link anywhere. Happy hunting Jenny vk2rd(a)hunterlink.net.au David & Jenny Myers. 61 Fern Street, ARCADIA VALE 2283 NSW
Date: 1998/11/22 22:02:52
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
Hello all! Can anyone tell me if there was any census taken in Hannover (Kingdom of) in the 19th century? If so, are these available anywhere for research? Thanks, Janet C-S
Date: 1998/11/23 18:21:20
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
Hello all, I need to clarify something. How are birth records kept in Germany? Is it by town? or by county, or by state? I have just sent to Hannover for the birth record of my grandmother (Johanne BLASS, 9 Mar 1879, dau of Adolph BLASS and Maria nee SOHNS). I have already looked in the Lutheran church registry for the city and did not find her baptism. So I really don't think I am going to find her birth record in the city either. (In fact, I think I already wrote once, but can't find the letter, so I am covering all bases by writing again.) But what do I do next? If I don't know what village she was born in, how do I find the record? Is there a central records location I can try? Can't find her parents marriage record either. I having been trying everything I can think of to scale this brick wall, but so far no luck. I have her in the Hamburg departure lists, with her mother--place of birth simply "Hannover." I am doing a village by village search of baptism records for her mother (Maria SOHNS born abt Feb 28, 1860-64), but the filmed records only go up to 1874. And 1860 is before civil registration. I have written to Altenhagen (near Springe) for these records on a hunch, because there were many SOHNSes in the IGI from this village, But no luck. ANy ideas, anyone? Janet C-S
Date: 1998/11/23 20:36:48
From: Deborah Waller <deborah.waller(a)virgin.net>
Hi there, New to this particular list and to research in Germany. I need a few pointers. I have a Gerhard JACOBS born about 1801 in Hannover. Don't know if this means the province or town but I do know that he came over in the mass emigration to the East End of London during the early part of the 19th century and was a sugar refiner. Any ideas how I can go about looking for his baptism from the UK? Debs
Date: 1998/11/23 22:13:56
From: Madsteinke <Madsteinke(a)aol.com>
Hello Deborah, I just saw your query and have some few informations for you. 1. The surname Jacobs is too common to locate a town your ancestor came from. 2. I am researching my ancestors in villages near Bremen (mainly in the district of Hoya). In old documents, I found a lot of people, who went to London to work as sugar refiner (in the documents, the profession is called Zuckerbaecker (sugar baker). I dont know, why they did it. All I can say for now is, that quite all were younger sons of farmers, who hadnt a chance to inherit the parental farm. Have you some more informations about the sugar-companies in London? Was there perhaps an owner from the former principality/kingdom of Hanover, who made promotion to move to London? In 1714, Duke Georg I of Hannover became King George I of England. So, from 1714 to 1837 England and Hanover were under the same rule. Perhaps, this was one of the reasons, why so many people went from Hanover to London? 3. In the germanywide phone-book, I found some Jacobs in a town, from where I know, that some people emigrated to London. The adress of the evangelic (lutheran) church office is: ev. Pfarramt Thedinghausen 27321 Thedinghausen Germany I know, that its like finding a needle in a hay-heap, but perhaps, you have luck and find your ancestor. By the way, a Jacobs found in Bremen a coffee-roasting establishment, which is today one of the biggest in Germany (Jacobs-Kaffee). Thats all for the moment. Many greetings from snowy Lueneburg (near Hamburg) Matthias Steinke
Date: 1998/11/23 23:11:27
From: LTBoehmke <LTBoehmke(a)aol.com>
Thanks Jenny for your answer about Meyer. My husbands maternal g-grandmother was born Sophie Marie Meyer in Gadenstedt, Hannover. Her father was Heinrich Conrad Meyer who married Catharine Marie Juerries. As the Widow Burgdorf she married my husbands g-grandfather Christoph Conrad Heinrich Sehler on 7 Mar 1844. They settled in upstate New York, in what is now Sanborn, NY between late 1844 and 1847. About 1864 he sold his farms and moved to Chester Township, Ottawa County, Michigan. In Sophie 1838 marriage at St Nicolai church in Grosse Ilsede, to Johann Heinrich Christian Brugdorf, she is recorded as Meyer. It is spelled that way in her baptismal record. But at her marriage in 1844 at St Nicolai the name is spelled Meier. Enjoy your hunting, LaVerne
Date: 1998/11/24 13:03:38
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>
Janet, You have the same problem that I have. Birthplace is given as Hannover but there seem to be no records in the City of Hannover. What I've been doing for almost a year now is tracing the descendants of one of the children born in Germany in the hope of finding something that will pinpoint a city, town or whatever where she was born. Realistically I don't hold out much hope but unless I try I'll never know. Just last week I located a living descendant of the immigrants daughter and am awaiting information from him. It's been long and tedious. If you arrive at another approach I sure would like to hear from you on what it is. Frank Wenzel fwenz(a)hom.net Researching: Aders, Bendernagel, Bilstein, Crittenden, Eichele, Helck, Horldin, Moore, Pape, Ranft, Smylie, Tucker, Van Ameringe & Wenzel ---------- > From: Caiside(a)aol.com > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: birth records? > Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 12:19 PM > > Hello all, > > I need to clarify something. How are birth records kept in Germany? Is it by > town? or by county, or by state? > I have just sent to Hannover for the birth record of my grandmother (Johanne > BLASS, 9 Mar 1879, dau of Adolph BLASS and Maria nee SOHNS). I have already > looked in the Lutheran church registry for the city and did not find her > baptism. So I really don't think I am going to find her birth record in the > city either. (In fact, I think I already wrote once, but can't find the > letter, so I am covering all bases by writing again.) > > But what do I do next? If I don't know what village she was born in, how do I > find the record? Is there a central records location I can try? > > Can't find her parents marriage record either. I having been trying everything > I can think of to scale this brick wall, but so far no luck. > > I have her in the Hamburg departure lists, with her mother--place of birth > simply "Hannover." > I am doing a village by village search of baptism records for her mother > (Maria SOHNS born abt Feb 28, 1860-64), but the filmed records only go up to > 1874. And 1860 is before civil registration. > I have written to Altenhagen (near Springe) for these records on a hunch, > because there were many SOHNSes in the IGI from this village, But no luck. > > ANy ideas, anyone? > > Janet C-S
Date: 1998/11/24 18:03:55
From: halseth <halseth(a)wmich.edu>
I too am looking for birth records--place of birth, Hannover. Elizabeth Bohnankamp (b. abt. 1838) and Francis Willie Bohnankamp (b. Nov. 15, 1846) were born in "Hannover" November 15, 1846; the family was in Buffalo, New York in 1847; the next children were born in Canada; four Bohnankamps were married between 1864 and 1870 in Berrien County, Michigan. I've seen genealogical records of a family group in Iowa who spelled their surname Bohnenkamp. I don't know if they are related. December 5 I'm going to the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, for a week of research. Any suggestions on records I might pursue on my Hannover people? Thank you. Judith Huber Halseth halseth(a)wmich.edu
Date: 1998/11/24 22:41:43
From: PHYLLIS A RAKER <FVXC96B(a)prodigy.com>
I, also, would love to be able to find births and marriages in Hannover. On a death certificate I find place of birth as Markendorff (Sp??) I have also seen Buer in reference to this family. How do these areas line up as city?, village?, state? ?????? John Obertate (have seen on different documents Casper and Henry used with John). Born 14 Feb 1852. Came to USA in 1872. Died 28 Sept 1937, Carroll Co. KY. I have found the will of a Casper Henry Obertate, b. Markendorff, 1827, d. Rising Sun IN 1880's., who had a son, Casper Henry b. 1866 IN. Somehow I would think these Obertates would be of the same family. Would truly appreciate any input anyone can give me. Phyllis Counts Raker, Cincinnati
Date: 1998/11/24 23:16:43
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
Hello all, No one has yet answered my question, so I'll repeat it. Are birth records in what was once the Kingdom of Hannover, now kept at the village level? the county level? or the state level? If I don't know the exact village someone was born in, is there a central repository I can write to? Thanks, Janet C-S
Date: 1998/11/25 01:27:40
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Judith, the name Bohnakamp is not present in Germany, but the German phone directory shows 519 times Bohnenkamp. Werner ------------------------------------------------------ halseth(a)wmich.edu schrieb: > I too am looking for birth records--place of birth, Hannover. Elizabeth > Bohnankamp (b. abt. 1838) and Francis Willie Bohnankamp (b. Nov. 15, 1846) > were born in "Hannover" November 15, 1846; the family was in Buffalo, New > York in 1847; the next children were born in Canada; four Bohnankamps were > married between 1864 and 1870 in Berrien County, Michigan. > > I've seen genealogical records of a family group in Iowa who spelled their > surname Bohnenkamp. I don't know if they are related. > > December 5 I'm going to the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, for a > week of research. Any suggestions on records I might pursue on my > Hannover people? Thank you. > > Judith Huber Halseth > halseth(a)wmich.edu > > > > Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/25 01:29:29
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 21 Nov 98, at 17:59, Caiside(a)aol.com wrote about Genealogical Societies?: From: Caiside(a)aol.com Date sent: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 17:59:01 EST To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Genealogical Societies? Send reply to: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Can someone tell me whether there is a genealogical society in Hannover > (specialising in families from that area), and if so, their address? > Thanks, Janet C-S > Hanover as a kingdom was quite large and included many areas which were and still are of different regional character. One therefore finds quite a number of genealogical local and regional societies within the confines of the old kingdom. On the other hand various societies overlap Hanover ainclude it as part of their regional territory. You can find these on the German genealogy pages if you check out the regional and super-regional sections for Vereine or societies. See http://www.genealogy.com and work your way to your answers. Fred The Rumps at Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838 PS Genealogists live in the past lane
Date: 1998/11/25 01:54:43
From: MITHRUS1 <MITHRUS1(a)aol.com>
Janet. Writing might be fruitless at this point. What you need to do is obtain the Civil Records for Hannover, or specifically the nearest church, near a village. That is how I have been successful. Another option, was to locate the main Church used by people in Hannover, then obtain the mar; birth; death records for the year you seek thru the FHC- LDS films. I found them most interesting and useful.... Mithrus1(a)aol.com > No one has yet answered my question, so I'll repeat it. Are birth records in > what was once the Kingdom of Hannover, now kept at the village level? the > county level? or the state level? > If I don't know the exact village someone was born in, is there a central > repository I can write to? > Thanks, > Janet C-S
Date: 1998/11/25 05:02:19
From: halseth <halseth(a)wmich.edu>
To Werner Honkomp: Thanks for looking up my Bohnankamp surname, and finding instead the 519 Bohnenkamps in the German phone directory. This helps me move in the direction of looking for the correct spelling of the surname. At my local Family History Center (Kalamazoo, Michigan) today, I found only Bohnenkamps listed in Prussia. Again, thank you, Werner. Judith Halseth
Date: 1998/11/25 06:37:29
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Judith, you can find two email-addresses of Bohnenkamp via Internet: http://www.suchen.de/ Type the name in the field "Nachname". Werner ----------------------------------------------------------- halseth(a)wmich.edu schrieb: > I too am looking for birth records--place of birth, Hannover. Elizabeth > Bohnankamp (b. abt. 1838) and Francis Willie Bohnankamp (b. Nov. 15, 1846) > were born in "Hannover" November 15, 1846; the family was in Buffalo, New > York in 1847; the next children were born in Canada; four Bohnankamps were > married between 1864 and 1870 in Berrien County, Michigan. > > I've seen genealogical records of a family group in Iowa who spelled their > surname Bohnenkamp. I don't know if they are related. > > December 5 I'm going to the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, for a > week of research. Any suggestions on records I might pursue on my > Hannover people? Thank you. > > Judith Huber Halseth > halseth(a)wmich.edu > > > > Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/25 07:30:35
From: Mel Bulgerin <melton(a)execpc.com>
Werner Honkomp wrote:
> Judith,
> you can find two email-addresses of Bohnenkamp via Internet:
> http://www.suchen.de/
>
> Type the name in the field "Nachname".
>
> Werner
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> halseth(a)wmich.edu schrieb:
> > I too am looking for birth records--place of birth, Hannover. Elizabeth
> > Bohnankamp (b. abt. 1838) and Francis Willie Bohnankamp (b. Nov. 15, 1846)
> > were born in "Hannover" November 15, 1846; the family was in Buffalo, New
> > York in 1847; the next children were born in Canada; four Bohnankamps were
> > married between 1864 and 1870 in Berrien County, Michigan.
> >
> > I've seen genealogical records of a family group in Iowa who spelled their
> > surname Bohnenkamp. I don't know if they are related.
> >
> > December 5 I'm going to the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, for a
> > week of research. Any suggestions on records I might pursue on my
> > Hannover people? Thank you.
> >
> > Judith Huber Halseth
> > halseth(a)wmich.edu
> >
> >
> >Dear Werner:
Could you check the URL for [suchen.de]? I have tried it twice and the net
can't find the
address. Looks very interesting though for us German Americans hunting for
ancestors
who seemed not to have lived.
>From us Americans getting ready to celebrate our Danksagungstag, we wish you the
very best from Wisconsin, USA
Mel Bulgerin --- melton(a)execpc.com
> >
>
> Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de
> Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/
> 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/
> GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/25 16:07:49
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 24 Nov 98, at 17:15, Caiside(a)aol.com wrote about Hannover birth records: From: Caiside(a)aol.com Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:15:53 EST To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net, owner-hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Hannover birth records > Hello all, > No one has yet answered my question, so I'll repeat it. Are birth records > in what was once the Kingdom of Hannover, now kept at the village level? > the county level? or the state level? If I don't know the exact village > someone was born in, is there a central repository I can write to? Thanks, > Janet C-S > I suppose no one has answered becauser there is no such thing as a birthrecord in the Kingdom of Hanover. Babies were born and their parents took them to church to have them baptized. Sometimes they would enter the birthdate in the church books, sometimes not. They important date was what concerened the Church, ie the baptismal date. That is all there is until Prussian rules formulated across the new German empire after 1871 took the registration of vital data over from the Church. All this means that there is no central depository except for the church books collected by their respective religious archives and in some cases duplicate entries which are held by public (state) archives. Fred The Rumps at Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838 PS Genealogists live in the past lane
Date: 1998/11/25 16:08:25
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 24 Nov 98, at 16:32, PHYLLIS A RAKER wrote about Markendorff: Phyllis, I don't have any maps with me here but I'm sure others can jump in here. I believe Markendorf is somewhere in the east, maybe in Brandenburg and would have nothing to do with Hanover. Perhaps there are smaller places with similar or the same name in the Hanover area too but I don't know of any. > I, also, would love to be able to find births and marriages in > Hannover. On a death certificate > I find place of birth as Markendorff (Sp??) I have also seen > Buer in reference to this family. > How do these areas line up as city?, village?, state? ?????? Buer is now part of Melle, not too far from Osnabrück and you can find information about that parish under the regional and historical states (see Osnabrück). In other words Buer was part of the Prince- Bishopric of Osnabrück until 1803 when that state became part of Hanover. In 1865 all that became a part of Prussia. Fred The Rumps at Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838 PS Genealogists live in the past lane
Date: 1998/11/25 19:09:16
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 11/25/98 11:13:43 AM, fred(a)k2nesoft.com wrote: <<I suppose no one has answered becauser there is no such thing as a birthrecord in the Kingdom of Hanover. Babies were born and their parents took them to church to have them baptized. .......That is all there is until Prussian rules formulated across the new German empire after 1871 took the registration of vital data over from the Church. >> OK, let me rephrase the question. After 1871 (I had heard it was 1874?) when civil registration was started, how were records kept? On town levels, county levels, or statewide, or what? Thanks, Janet
Date: 1998/11/25 20:46:37
From: DARLA K KEMLER <i-luv-angels(a)juno.com>
On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:53:14 EST MITHRUS1(a)aol.com writes: >Janet. >Writing might be fruitless at this point. What you need to do is >obtain the >Civil Records for Hannover, or specifically the nearest church, near >a >village. That is how I have been successful. Where does one find the addresses for these places? Thanks Bob Kemler ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Date: 1998/11/25 20:56:59
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Hi Mel, I checked the URL "www.suchen.de", it is ok. Try it again! Werner ----------------------------------------------- Mel Bulgerin schrieb: > > > Werner Honkomp wrote: > > > Judith, > > you can find two email-addresses of Bohnenkamp via Internet: > > http://www.suchen.de/ > > > > Type the name in the field "Nachname". > > > > Werner > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > halseth(a)wmich.edu schrieb: > > > I too am looking for birth records--place of birth, Hannover. Elizabeth > > > Bohnankamp (b. abt. 1838) and Francis Willie Bohnankamp (b. Nov. 15, 1846) > > > were born in "Hannover" November 15, 1846; the family was in Buffalo, New > > > York in 1847; the next children were born in Canada; four Bohnankamps were > > > married between 1864 and 1870 in Berrien County, Michigan. > > > > > > I've seen genealogical records of a family group in Iowa who spelled their > > > surname Bohnenkamp. I don't know if they are related. > > > > > > December 5 I'm going to the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, for a > > > week of research. Any suggestions on records I might pursue on my > > > Hannover people? Thank you. > > > > > > Judith Huber Halseth > > > halseth(a)wmich.edu > > > > > > > > >Dear Werner: > > Could you check the URL for [suchen.de]? I have tried it twice and the net > can't find the > address. Looks very interesting though for us German Americans hunting for > ancestors > who seemed not to have lived. > > >From us Americans getting ready to celebrate our Danksagungstag, we wish you > the > > very best from Wisconsin, USA > > Mel Bulgerin --- melton(a)execpc.com > > > > > > > > Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de > > Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ > > 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ > > GERMANY > > > Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/26 01:20:11
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
PHYLLIS A RAKER schrieb: > I, also, would love to be able to find births and marriages in > Hannover. On a death certificate > I find place of birth as Markendorff (Sp??) I have also seen > Buer in reference to this family. > How do these areas line up as city?, village?, state? ?????? ---------------------------------------> The villages Bür (Buer) and Markendorf are parts of the town Melle, county Osnabrück. Melle is 20 km westerly of Osnabrück, Melle-Bür is 8 km north-east of Melle and Melle-Markendorf 4 km westerly of Melle. (We have also a Markendorf near Frankfurt/Oder, near the boarder to Poland) Melle-Bür have a Church, I think catholic. > > John Obertate (have seen on different documents Casper and Henry used > with John). > Born 14 Feb 1852. Came to USA in 1872. > Died 28 Sept 1937, Carroll Co. KY. > I have found the will of a Casper Henry Obertate, b. Markendorff, > 1827, d. Rising Sun IN 1880's., who > had a son, Casper Henry b. 1866 IN. > Somehow I would think these Obertates would be of the same family. > Would truly appreciate any input anyone can give me. > Phyllis Counts Raker, Cincinnati -----------------------------------> The phone directory have not the name Obertate or like this anywhere, you should check the spelling. Werner ----------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/26 03:29:17
From: Dennis & Mary <leblanc(a)ridgecrest.ca.us>
Hi All, I picked up an 1862 map of Northern Germany which shows the Kingdom of Hanover. The map is from a mapbook by Johnson and Ward. There are quite a few town names. If anyone wants me to look for theirs, let me know. Mary
Date: 1998/11/26 16:56:34
From: JBeck88803 <JBeck88803(a)aol.com>
Hi Mary, Could tell me where you got the map of Hanover, I would love to have one. Thank you, Joan
Date: 1998/11/26 23:41:38
From: Jillwall <Jillwall(a)aol.com>
Hi, I got my map of Germany which includes the surrounding area at Barnes & Noble. It is large and in English-- called a Euro-Cart map 1:800,000. I compare it with the maps of various parts of Germany from the early 1800's which I am hunting for that I find on the German regions on the net. Good luck. Mary
Date: 1998/11/27 02:18:43
From: Stopan <Stopan(a)aol.com>
Dear List, Would someone enlighten me as to the military significance of this small area -- 1800-50. It seems that there was more "action" going on here than in most of the other "German" states including Prussia. As far as I can tell, one of the reasons my g-grand emigrated was to avoid the draft and I seem to have met many others from this area who's ancestors left for the same reason. Thanks, Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ
Date: 1998/11/27 14:51:02
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 25 Nov 98, at 13:06, Caiside(a)aol.com wrote about Civil records: > OK, let me rephrase the question. After 1871 (I had heard it was 1874?) > when civil registration was started, how were records kept? On town > levels, county levels, or statewide, or what? > Ok, that's better. :-) The official story for Germany is local records. The word Standesamt was meant to record the status or state of the people who had to report there by law. In larger towns they also have an Einwohnermeldeamt which is closely connected and usually right next to or part of the local police station. One has to go to this office (or to the police) and report in as one moves into the neighborhood. The idea is to tell where you came from and everything is nicely tracked so that no one gets lost to the people data base which the system requires. All this is computer driven and they can track your every move and know everything there can possibly be known about you and your family. This is why they worry so much about this data getting out into the open. I watched the clerks who work in these agencies and how they were able to access the whole life history of my cousin on the other side of the desk but they wouldn't tell me anything about what they saw. Very frustrating. His divorce was there, his remarriage, his various moves. By hook or by crook I got some of it out of them after I mentioned an inheritance for him. They pushed a print key and out printed probably more than I was supposed to get. Anyway, the local Standesamt is the official record keeper of the various life events which happen in the area assigned to that particular district. I'm not sure how the Einwohnermeldeamt figures into the scheme but that's where they seem to have the same database as the Standesamt. So, don't look for any data on a regional basis like a county or Kreis. It's usually at the local level. Fred The Rumps at Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838 PS Genealogists live in the past lane
Date: 1998/11/27 15:34:46
From: steve wehling <al78412(a)caller.infi.net>
steve wehling wrote: > > steve wehling wrote: > Hi > This is from the Lage Parish, Rieste, Germany records from 1854 to 1874 > > Just a comment on the parties looking for there families home town in > Germany, We had our best luck researching the heck out of our families here in > the States first!!! We did find our home town by the Obits in the German papers in > Cincinnati,> but even then we still need to do more ground work here in the States to > get all the relationships correct. Good Luck!!!!! > > A lot of the Sirnames listed below found there way to the Cincinnati > area > > > ............................................................................. > > > Marriage March 1, 1853 > > > Georg THESING born 1829 in Rieste > > > father Bernard THESING > > > Mother Elisabeth STOCKHOVE > > > he married > > > Maria Bernardina KUHL born Nov. 1826 > > > her father Heinrich KUHL > > > mother Anna Maria BIEST > > > .......................................................................... > > > Birth July 1, 1853 > > > Heinrich Joseph THESING > > > father Gerhard THESING > > > mother Margaretha WUBBOLT > > > ................................................................................. > > > Death Sept. 4, 1853 > > > Heinrich Joseph THESING > > > father Gerhard THESING > > > mother Margaretha WIEBBOLT > > > ................................................................................ > > > Birth Sept. 20, 1854 > > > Catharina Bernardina THESING > > > father Bernard Heinrich THESING > > > mother Ann Maria WESTENDORF > > > ......................................................................... > > > Death Nov. 28, 1854 > > > TORBECKE, Johan Heinrich Wilhelm > > > 70 years 5 months [ he was married to Anna Maria FELDKAMP] > > > father Johan Heinrich TORBECKE > > > mother Ann Maria THEISSING > > > ................................................................................ > > > Death March 29, 1854 > > > MOLLMAN Catharina Maria born TORBECKE > > > 71 years 10 months > > > father Heinrich TORBECKE > > > mother Anna Maria THEISING > > > .................................................................................. > > > Death July 29, 1855 in Alfhausen > > > THESING Anton Joseph > > > 33 years 2 months 6 days > > > father Bernard Heinrich THESING > > > mother Maria Gertude WELAGE [parents from Rieste] > > > ............................................................................... > > > Birth Jan 8, 1855 in Alfhausen > > > THESING Bernard Georg Anton > > > father Reinhart Johann Heinrich THESING > > > mother Maria Elisabeth WEIBBOLT > > > ............................................................................ > > > Birth Nov. 15, 1856 > > > Johann Gerhard THESING > > > father Bernard THESING > > > mother Bernardina KUHL > > > ........................................................................... > > > Birth Oct. 1 1857 > > > THESING Georg Bernard > > > father Bernard THESING > > > mother Anna Maria WESTENDORF > > > ................................................................................ > > > Birth Oct. 23, 1857 > > > THESING Catharina Bernardina Elisabeth > > > father Heinrich THESING > > > mother Ragina BULTMAN > > > .............................................................................. > > > Birth August 22, 1858 > > > THESING Johan Bernard > > > father Bernard Heinrich THESING > > > mother Bernardina KUHL > > > ........................................................................... > > > Birth March 2, 1859 > > > THESING Bernard Wilhelm > > > father Gerhart THESING > > > mother Margaretha WUBBOLT > > > ............................................................................... > > > Death April 30, 1859 > > > THESING Johan Bernard > > > 67years 7 months 10 days > > > father Johan heinrich THESING > > > mother Margaretha STUARMAN [HUARMAN] > > > ..................................................................... Birth July 8 1861 > > > Heinrich Christian THESING > > > father Heinrich THESING > > > mother Ragina BULLMAN > > > .................................................................................. > > > Birth August 1, 1861 > > > Franz Joseph THESING > > > father Bernard Heinrich THESING > > > mother Bernardina KUHL > > > ................................................................................ > > > Birth Feb. 4, 1865 > > > Ragina Bernardina THESING > > > father Heinrich THESING > > > mother Ragina BULLMAN > > > ........................................................................... > > > Birth Oct. 10 1865 > > > Casper Karl THESING > > > father Bernard Heinrich THESING > > > mother Bernardina KUHL > > > ............................................................................... > > > Birth Feb. 13 1868 > > > Johan Gerhard Bernard THESING > > > father Heinrich THESING > > > mother Ragina BULLMAN > > > ........................................................................... > > > Death Jan 5, 1869 > > > THESING, Anna Maria born WESTENDORF in Rieste > > > 44 years 1 month [married Bernard Thesing March 14, 1851 in Rieste] > > > father Johann Bernard WESTENDORF > > > mother Catharina Maria LIENESCH > > > ............................................................................ > > > Birth July 4, 1870 > > > THESING Anna maria > > > father Heinrich THESING > > > mother Ragina BULTMAN > > > ............................................................................... > > > Marriage Sept. 9, 1872 > > > DALMON Friedrich Herman B. Jan 13, 1842 > > > father Heinrich DALMON > > > mother Maria Adelhied THESING > > > he married > > > SCHULZE Catharina Maria Elizabeth born March 26, 1855 > > > her father Herman SCHULZE > > > mother Catharina STUCKENBURG > > > ............................................................................ > > > Birth Nov. 1, 1857 > > > THESING Maria Margaretha Antonette THESING > > > father Johan Heinrich THESING > > > mother Elizabeth WIEBBOLT > > > ........................................................................................
Date: 1998/11/27 18:16:37
From: Deborah Waller <deborah.waller(a)virgin.net>
Just picked up on Marys note and it got me thinking! Can anyone point me to a website that would have a map I could download for the kingdom of Hannover c. 1800. My geography is bad at the best of times but in this time period it is definately way off base! Cheers, Debs
Date: 1998/11/27 19:07:07
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
Deborah Waller schrieb: > Just picked up on Marys note and it got me thinking! > > Can anyone point me to a website that would have a map I could download > for the kingdom of Hannover c. 1800. My geography is bad at the best of > times but in this time period it is definately way off base! > > Cheers, > > Debs -----------------------------------------------> Dear Debs, I have a small map on my genealogy website, see below. And than click: Politische Karte/Political Map 1815-1871 old Kingdom of Hanover/Oldenburg/ Westphalia Werner Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/28 03:57:58
From: Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>
Caiside(a)aol.com wrote: > > Hello all! > Can anyone tell me if there was any census taken in Hannover (Kingdom of) in > the 19th century? If so, are these available anywhere for research? > Thanks, > Janet C-S Hi Janet: I did find a census for the area where my ancestor was from which is a small town of Rehburg in district of Stolzenau. The microfilm is available from LDS. A description of the record says " Court records of an account of hearths, horses, manors, estates, populace, buildings, house taxes, inhabitants, homes, animals, blind and deaf of the court of Stolzenau, Hannover, Preussen. To check to see if there are census for Hanover type in Germany Preussen Hannover Census.The census record for Rehburg in Stolzenau was from 1861 and the main information is the names of the people living in that area for example it says: Heinrich Mackeben Tagelohner age 36 Maria Mackeben his frau (wife) age 36 Friedrich Mackeben his son age 11 Sophia Mackeben age 5 Louisa Mackeben age 2 Caroline age 1 So with this information you will have approximate birth dates and then you can write to the church for more information as the church records for this area have not been microfilmed. I was able to find several families and this census was a great help in determining my great grandfather's brothers and sisters as his father's first wife died in 1859 and his father remarried. Also check Hannover for Taxation records as there are some taxation records. Good luck Doug Plowman
Date: 1998/11/28 05:51:09
From: Dennis & Mary <leblanc(a)ridgecrest.ca.us>
I got this map in an antique store. It's an original page from a book of maps. The map itself in 11" X 14", then there is a fancy edge. It is hand colored. The coloring in important because there are some detached places that are actually part of Hanover. If you want a copy, I will find out what the cost would be to duplicate it in color and mail it in a tube. Mary At 10:54 AM 11/26/98 EST, you wrote: >Hi Mary, > >Could tell me where you got the map of Hanover, I would love to have one. > >Thank you, > >Joan > >
Date: 1998/11/28 13:49:55
From: JBeck88803 <JBeck88803(a)aol.com>
Hi Doug, I am also looking for records for my g-g-grandparents that came from the Kingdom of Hanover, I have no idea what the name of the village or town is. Is there microfilm available from LDS for the Kingdom of Hanover? Please reply. Thank you, Joan
Date: 1998/11/28 13:52:41
From: JBeck88803 <JBeck88803(a)aol.com>
Thank you Mary I would like a copy, find out if it can be copied and the cost I would appreciate it. Thank you, Joan
Date: 1998/11/28 16:11:01
From: Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>
JBeck88803(a)aol.com wrote: > > Hi Doug, > > I am also looking for records for my g-g-grandparents that came from the > Kingdom of Hanover, I have no idea what the name of the village or town is. > Is there microfilm > available from LDS for the Kingdom of Hanover? Please reply. > > Thank you, > Joan Hi Joan: As far as I know there is no census for Hannover such as the United States Census. Even if there was a census, it would be difficult to find your ancestor if one would have to go through an entire census. You will need to find a specific town or county where they are from. Check the county histories where they settled or check to see if other people in the area are from Hannover as there records may give the name of the town. I know that my ancestor settled in northern Illinois and I was amazed as to how many other people were from the same area in Hannover. Another source is to check the German phone book on the internet, especially if you have an uncommon name and you might be able to zero to an area where the surname is predominant. For example, even this day the surname Mackeben is still found in Rehburg and most the people with that name still live there. Obviously if your surname is Schulz, it is not a clue. I think before you can proceed you will need to know the name of the town. One of the best sources I have found for names of towns have been the American church records. Good luck. Doug Plowman
Date: 1998/11/28 17:17:45
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
At 07:56 AM 11/27/98 +0000, you wrote: >Just picked up on Marys note and it got me thinking! > >Can anyone point me to a website that would have a map I could download >for the kingdom of Hannover c. 1800. Debs, I have a Kingdom of Hannover map, <Copy> dated 1832, and marked <in accord with the Treaty of Paris, 1815> I bought it over the internet from <www.ancestry.com> from their on-line store map collection, which is a large one. No gazeteer/index was with it. Bob
Date: 1998/11/28 17:32:42
From: Robert F. Niehaus <rniehaus(a)mindspring.com>
At 09:33 AM 11/28/98 +0000, you wrote: >JBeck88803(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Hi Doug, >> >> I am also looking for records for my g-g-grandparents that came from the >> Kingdom of Hanover, I have no idea what the name of the village or town is. >> Is there microfilm >> available from LDS for the Kingdom of Hanover? Please reply. >> Joan, To add to Doug's comments: If you know their death date and city in the U.S., look up the newspaper archives, preferably a German Language paper of that time. The death notice was often in gothic script and in German, but solvable. Be careful of >D's> that look like <B's> etc in the script. In Cincinnati, for my Ggrandaprents, the notices includes the town and area of their birth in Hannover, Oldenburg, et al. You can search out the town location on e-mail address <geo(a)genealogy.net> by sending just one word, the name of the town, eg <Holdorf> and receive within hours the towns with that name, counties (as in the U.S.) State, population, assuming the town still exists. Bob
Date: 1998/11/28 18:16:34
From: Judy and Tom Martin <martin(a)warwick.net>
JBeck88803(a)aol.com wrote: > > Thank you Mary I would like a copy, find out if it can be copied and the cost > I would appreciate it. > > Thank you, > Joan Hello Mary. If you don't get inundated with requests, I would like very much to have a map too. Judy
Date: 1998/11/28 20:05:37
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 26 Nov 98, at 20:17, Stopan(a)aol.com wrote about State of Osnabruck/Hannover: > Would someone enlighten me as to the military significance of this small > area -- 1800-50. It seems that there was more "action" going on here than > in most of the other "German" states including Prussia. As far as I can > tell, one of the reasons my g-grand emigrated was to avoid the draft and I > seem to have met many others from this area who's ancestors left for the > same reason. Gary, upon what do you base these assumptions? One of the most common 'stories' of why people emigrated is their desire to escape the draft, often when such a thing never even existed. They then turn around and immediately join the American army to fight and die in the Civil War. Something doesn't jive. Hanover had a very small standing army which is why it was no match against Prussian forces. The whole concept of standing armies was not really invented until the Prussians invented it as part of their state system designed to expand and protect their little country which was growing against much bigger foes all around them. Factually, just aboiut all emigrants left because they were destitute and poor. They wanted an opportunity to own something and have a better life for their children. These opportunities did not exist at home were they were born into a status which was inherited by their children. Very hopeless! In this country such a background of poverty did not make for a good family background. Other stories were invented which made the old country less evil and less destitute etc etc. Fred The Rumps at Pelican Lake Motorcoach Resort 4788 Corian Court Naples, FL 34114-9418 941-775-7838 PS Genealogists live in the past lane
Date: 1998/11/29 00:19:13
From: Bob Wall <bgw3133(a)USAC.net>
Jannet; You ask all the right questions. If you receive an answer to this one PLEASE let me know about it also. Jean Wall Caiside(a)aol.com wrote: > > Hello all, > No one has yet answered my question, so I'll repeat it. Are birth records in > what was once the Kingdom of Hannover, now kept at the village level? the > county level? or the state level? > If I don't know the exact village someone was born in, is there a central > repository I can write to? > Thanks, > Janet C-S
Date: 1998/11/29 20:12:03
From: Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>
The birthplace of Ludwig MACKEBEN as listed in his marriage record says he was born in Minden in 1803. Seeing that there is a Minden in Westphalia I checked the records and could not find his birth record. There is another town Minden near the TRIER area. Did people from this area immigrate to the Hannover area ? Would the invasion of Napolean cause people to emigrate further north or would occupation such as cow or sheep herder have any effect. Would like more on the history of Rehburg area. Thanks, Doug Plowman
Date: 1998/11/29 20:41:01
From: Dennis & Mary <leblanc(a)ridgecrest.ca.us>
Hi Judy, I found out I can get a very good color copy for $2. I will check on the cost of mailing tubes, and postage within the US this week. Mary L. At 12:17 PM 11/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >JBeck88803(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Thank you Mary I would like a copy, find out if it can be copied and the cost >> I would appreciate it. >> >> Thank you, >> Joan > >Hello Mary. If you don't get inundated with requests, I would like very >much to have a map too. > >Judy > >
Date: 1998/11/29 20:45:43
From: Dennis & Mary <leblanc(a)ridgecrest.ca.us>
Hi Joan, I found out the cost of a good quality, color copy which is $2. In a few days I will check on the cost of mailing within the US and will let you know. Mary L. At 07:50 AM 11/28/98 EST, you wrote: >Thank you Mary I would like a copy, find out if it can be copied and the cost >I would appreciate it. > >Thank you, >Joan > >
Date: 1998/11/29 21:04:48
From: PHYLLIS A RAKER <FVXC96B(a)prodigy.com>
Could/Would you do a map for me when you are copying? For tubes: Do you have a Frame and Save near you? or maybe another frame shop. Our Frame and Save will give away the tubes they have on hand, that they have accumulated. Worth a try. Phyllis --- in Cincinnati
Date: 1998/11/29 21:08:33
From: PHYLLIS A RAKER <FVXC96B(a)prodigy.com>
Fred, thank you for your reply to my questions about Markendorff. AND would you order some NICE weather for when we visit Naples in February. Phyllis
Date: 1998/11/29 21:19:25
From: Jens Th. Kaufmann <Jens-Kaufmann(a)t-online.de>
Doug Plowman schrieb: > The birthplace of Ludwig MACKEBEN as listed in his marriage record says > he was born in Minden in 1803. Seeing that there is a Minden in > Westphalia I checked the records and could not find his birth record. > There is another town Minden near the TRIER area. Did people from this > area immigrate to the Hannover area ? Would the invasion of Napolean > cause people to emigrate further north or would occupation such as cow > or sheep herder have any effect. Would like more on the history of > Rehburg area. > > Thanks, > Doug Plowman Doug, The Mackeben family is mentioned in the Rehburg area already since the 1600s. The surname was in earlier times spelled "Mackefen", "Mackeven" and "Mackäfen". So I don't think that your ancestor came from Minden in Westphalia or from Minden near Trier. Is the place name "Minden" clearly readable on the marriage record? Jens Th. Kaufmann Dipl.-Bibl., genealogist Reisweg 10 D-38116 Braunschweig Germany
Date: 1998/11/29 21:21:17
From: PHYLLIS A RAKER <FVXC96B(a)prodigy.com>
Werner, I do appreciate your reply to my Markendorff questions. I get this location on a death certificate for John Obertate. You suggested that I should check the spelling for Obertate----------- -John Obertate arrived in USA, 1872, and during the mid-1870's was a church secretary/seketahr. I have some copies of his minutes written in German. He signed his name John Obertodte (two dots over the second o , and I know there is a word for that but it escapes me right now.) His marriage license, 1874. the name Casper H. Obertate is used. And on his naturalization application dated 1876 he used the name John Obertate. To further complicate my search: the death certificate used the name John Henry obertate. and the obituary in the newspaper used John Casper Obertate. So, IF I could find the rest of the naturalization papers, I might get some answers. Would you look in the Germany wide phone directory for the name Reker. (and that one is now Raker, I'm sure it was changed way back.) Also , was the Hannover area. (Family hand-me-down was that the Raker/Reker family came from a dairy farm, just outside Hannover. Can I access this phone directory? Many thanks, for all you input.............................Phyllis, in Cincinnati
Date: 1998/11/29 22:14:40
From: steve wehling <al78412(a)caller.infi.net>
steve wehling wrote: > > This is all the DEPENBROCK`S in the Lage Register from 1853 to 1874 > Lage Parish, Rieste, Germany [Hannover Region] > Marriage Feb. 23, 1854 > Johann Bernard Anton WEGLAGE from Rieste > parents Herman Heinrich WEGLAGE > and Antonette BELM. > he married > Catharina Maria Elizabeth DEPENBROCK from Rieste > parents Johann Heinrich DEPEBROCK > and Maria Adelhied STOCKHOVE > ............................................... > Death April 10, 1854 > DEPENBROCK, Catharina Elizabeth age ? > parents Heinrich DEPENBROCK and > Catharina Maria KREHE from Rieste > ........................................... > Birth May 13, 1856 > WEGLAGE, Herman Heinrich > father Johann Bernard WEGLAGE > mother Elizabeth Depenbrock > godparents Heinrich DEPENBROCK and Joseph STOCKHOVE > ................................................... > Death Feb. 20, 1856 > REVERMAN, Johann Heinrich Joseph 73 years 9 months 8 days > father Georg REVERMAN > mother Margaretha Maria DEPENBROCK > [Johann REVERMAN was married to Catharina Maria KOOP] > ...................................................... > Death Sept. 5, 1856 > DEPENBROCK, Maria Elizabeth age ? > father Joseph DEPENBROCK > mother Maria Catharina FRYE > ............................. > Birth August 14, 1858 > WEGLAGE, Henry Bernard > father Bernard DEPENBROCK > mother Elizabeth DEPENBROCK > Godparents Henry Colon STOCKHAU and Heinrich KOTTE > ........................... > Death Feb. 20, 1858 > DEPENBROCK, Johann Heinrich 58 years 8 months, 17 days > father Rudolph DEPENBROCK > mothe Catarina Maria TORBECKE > ............................... > Birth Nov. 16, 1860 > WEGLAGE, Maria Bernardina Antonette > father Bernard WEGLAGE > mother Elisabeth DEPENBROCK > .................................. > Marriage May 11, 1864 > GOSKER, Herman Heinrich born August 17, 1837,Rieste > father Heinrich joseph GOSKER > mother Maria Gertrut LUTTMER > he married > DEPENBROCK, Catharina Maria born Nov. 8 1833 > her father Heinrich DEPENBROCK > mother Maria Adelhied STOCKHOVE > Godparents Joseph Haguen and Dina DEPENBROCK > .............................................. > Death April 22, 1864 > WEGLAGE, Herman Heinrich Joseph, 7 years 11 months 8 days > father Bernard WEGLAGE > mother Elizabeth DEPENBROCK > ....................................................... > Birth March 5, 1865 > WEGLAGE, Bernard Joseph > father Bernard WEGLAGE > mother Elizabeth DEPENBROCK > ............................ > Marriage Nov. 27, 1867 > DEPENBROCK Joseph Anton born > oct. 22, 1839 in Horsten > father Joseph DEPENBROCK > mother Catharina Maria KREHE > he married > MELSMAN, Elizabeth Gertrude born > June 25, 1840 in Neuenkirchen > father Andra MELSMAN > mother Anna Maria VAN DREKLE > .................................. > Birth Sept. 25, 1867 > WEGLAGE Herman Heinrich Georg > father Bernard WEGLAGE > mother Elizabeth DEPENBROCK > Godparents Georg STUCKENBERG > and Heinrich TESING > ............................ > Death Sept. 11, 1867 > WEGLAGE, Johann Bernard Anton 44 years 9 months, 3 days > father Herman Heinrich WEGLAGE > mother Antonetta BELM > [Johann married Elizabeth DEPENBROCK feb. 23. 1854] > .................................................... > Death July 11, 1867 > DEPENBROCK, Franz Joseph from Rieste, > 62 years,1 month,3 days > father Heinrich DEPENBROCK > mother Maria Gertrud SCHURMAN > [Franz was married to Catharina FRYE August 9, 1842] > ..................................................... > Death Feb. 28, 1870 > MOLLMAN, Maria Elizabeth geb IMWALLE age 70 born in Rieste > father Johann Heinrich IMWALLE > mother Margaretha DEPENBROCK > [Maria married MOLLMAN Nov. 30, 1860] > ....................................... > > This is from Alfhausen > Death Dec. 14, 1856 > DEPENBROCK, Anna Maria > father Heinrich DEPENBROCK > mother Adelhied WESTELKAMP > [both parents from Rieste] > ................................................ > > Steve Wehling
Date: 1998/11/29 22:21:31
From: steve wehling <al78412(a)caller.infi.net>
--- Begin Message ---This is all the DEPENBROCK`S in the Lage Register from 1853 to 1874 Marriage Feb. 23, 1854 Johann Bernard Anton WEGLAGE from Rieste parents Herman Heinrich WEGLAGE and Antonette BELM. he married Catharina Maria Elizabeth DEPENBROCK from Rieste parents Johann Heinrich DEPEBROCK and Maria Adelhied STOCKHOVE ............................................... Death April 10, 1854 DEPENBROCK, Catharina Elizabeth age ? parents Heinrich DEPENBROCK and Catharina Maria KREHE from Rieste ........................................... Birth May 13, 1856 WEGLAGE, Herman Heinrich father Johann Bernard WEGLAGE mother Elizabeth Depenbrock godparents Heinrich DEPENBROCK and Joseph STOCKHOVE ................................................... Death Feb. 20, 1856 REVERMAN, Johann Heinrich Joseph 73 years 9 months 8 days father Georg REVERMAN mother Margaretha Maria DEPENBROCK [Johann REVERMAN was married to Catharina Maria KOOP] ...................................................... Death Sept. 5, 1856 DEPENBROCK, Maria Elizabeth age ? father Joseph DEPENBROCK mother Maria Catharina FRYE ............................. Birth August 14, 1858 WEGLAGE, Henry Bernard father Bernard DEPENBROCK mother Elizabeth DEPENBROCK Godparents Henry Colon STOCKHAU and Heinrich KOTTE ........................... Death Feb. 20, 1858 DEPENBROCK, Johann Heinrich 58 years 8 months, 17 days father Rudolph DEPENBROCK mothe Catarina Maria TORBECKE ............................... Birth Nov. 16, 1860 WEGLAGE, Maria Bernardina Antonette father Bernard WEGLAGE mother Elisabeth DEPENBROCK .................................. Marriage May 11, 1864 GOSKER, Herman Heinrich born August 17, 1837,Rieste father Heinrich joseph GOSKER mother Maria Gertrut LUTTMER he married DEPENBROCK, Catharina Maria born Nov. 8 1833 her father Heinrich DEPENBROCK mother Maria Adelhied STOCKHOVE Godparents Joseph Haguen and Dina DEPENBROCK .............................................. Death April 22, 1864 WEGLAGE, Herman Heinrich Joseph, 7 years 11 months 8 days father Bernard WEGLAGE mother Elizabeth DEPENBROCK ....................................................... Birth March 5, 1865 WEGLAGE, Bernard Joseph father Bernard WEGLAGE mother Elizabeth DEPENBROCK ............................ Marriage Nov. 27, 1867 DEPENBROCK Joseph Anton born oct. 22, 1839 in Horsten father Joseph DEPENBROCK mother Catharina Maria KREHE he married MELSMAN, Elizabeth Gertrude born June 25, 1840 in Neuenkirchen father Andra MELSMAN mother Anna Maria VAN DREKLE .................................. Birth Sept. 25, 1867 WEGLAGE Herman Heinrich Georg father Bernard WEGLAGE mother Elizabeth DEPENBROCK Godparents Georg STUCKENBERG and Heinrich TESING ............................ Death Sept. 11, 1867 WEGLAGE, Johann Bernard Anton 44 years 9 months, 3 days father Herman Heinrich WEGLAGE mother Antonetta BELM [Johann married Elizabeth DEPENBROCK feb. 23. 1854] .................................................... Death July 11, 1867 DEPENBROCK, Franz Joseph from Rieste, 62 years,1 month,3 days father Heinrich DEPENBROCK mother Maria Gertrud SCHURMAN [Franz was married to Catharina FRYE August 9, 1842] ..................................................... Death Feb. 28, 1870 MOLLMAN, Maria Elizabeth geb IMWALLE age 70 born in Rieste father Johann Heinrich IMWALLE mother Margaretha DEPENBROCK [Maria married MOLLMAN Nov. 30, 1860] ....................................... This is from Alfhausen Death Dec. 14, 1856 DEPENBROCK, Anna Maria father Heinrich DEPENBROCK mother Adelhied WESTELKAMP [both parents from Rieste] ................................................ Steve Wehling
--- End Message ---
Date: 1998/11/30 00:54:46
From: JBeck88803 <JBeck88803(a)aol.com>
Thank you Mary I appreciate your efforts. Thanks, Joan
Date: 1998/11/30 02:17:43
From: Frank Wenzel <fwenz(a)hom.net>
Mary, What year is the Hannover map? Frank Wenzel fwenz(a)hom.net Researching: Aders, Bendernagel, Bilstein, Crittenden, Eichele, Helck, Horldin, Moore, Pape, Ranft, Smylie, Tucker, Van Ameringe & Wenzel ---------- > From: Dennis & Mary <leblanc(a)ridgecrest.ca.us> > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: Re: Hanover Map > Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 2:35 PM > > Hi Judy, I found out I can get a very good color copy for $2. I will > check on the cost of mailing tubes, and postage within the US this week. > Mary L. > > At 12:17 PM 11/28/98 -0400, you wrote: > >JBeck88803(a)aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Thank you Mary I would like a copy, find out if it can be copied and the > cost > >> I would appreciate it. > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Joan > > > >Hello Mary. If you don't get inundated with requests, I would like very > >much to have a map too. > > > >Judy > > > >
Date: 1998/11/30 02:37:35
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 11/29/98 9:19:48 PM, fwenz(a)hom.net wrote: <<What year is the Hannover map? >> Can someone get a copy from Mary and put it on a Hannover web page? Janet
Date: 1998/11/30 03:07:34
From: MRS DOLORES J GILES <EBMN94A(a)prodigy.com>
Hi, Mary, I am also interested in your map. Please let me know the cost of copying and mailing. Thanks, Dolores
Date: 1998/11/30 03:17:26
From: Doug Plowman <dplowman(a)newnorth.net>
Jens Th. Kaufmann wrote: > > Doug Plowman schrieb: > > The birthplace of Ludwig MACKEBEN as listed in his marriage record says > > he was born in Minden in 1803. Seeing that there is a Minden in > > Westphalia I checked the records and could not find his birth record. > > There is another town Minden near the TRIER area. Did people from this > > area immigrate to the Hannover area ? Would the invasion of Napolean > > cause people to emigrate further north or would occupation such as cow > > or sheep herder have any effect. Would like more on the history of > > Rehburg area. > > > > Thanks, > > Doug Plowman > > Doug, > > The Mackeben family is mentioned in the Rehburg area already since the 1600s. > The surname was in earlier times spelled "Mackefen", "Mackeven" and "Mackäfen". > So I don't think that your ancestor came from Minden in Westphalia or from > Minden near Trier. Is the place name "Minden" clearly readable on the marriage > record? Hi Jens: I have not seen the marriage record personally. I have written to the church in Rehburg and they sent me a typed extract of the record. I had originally written in 1972 and again last year and both times they said Ludwig Mackeben was born Nov 10, 1803 and the birth place of Minden. I have ordered the LDS films for various churches in Minden Westphalia and I could not find any Mackebens and I have also written to several sources in Minden and they could not find anything. I even took a guess that maybe it was Munden (with an umlaut) any maybe the pastor mis read the birthplace, but a letter came back from the church in Munden and they have no record. I have found the 1861 census for Stolzenau and found about 10 Mackeben families and several Mackeben families came to America. The second marriage for Ludwig Mackeben born 10 Nov 1803 at Minden son of cow shepherd Ludwig Mackeben and his wife Dorothea WEGENER to Catharine Marie Louise DUNKER of Schneeren, daughter of Johann Heinrich Dunker and his wife Catharine Marie MEERING , married 25 April 1859. Ludwig first marriage was to Katharina Dorothea Margarete NORDMEYER on 8 May 1825. In reviewing the correspondence, it was his second marriage that says born 10 November 1803 zu Minden. I have been working on genealogy since about 1964 and the Mackeben family is my only family from western part of Germany, all of my other ancestry are from Pommern area and am 100% German background. Ludwig Mackeben died 9 November 1865, right after my great grandfather Heinrich Friedrich Christian Wilhelm ( Ludwig ) was born 21 July 1865. Since I have written twice and received the same answer, I assume Minden is correct and thought maybe his father was in the military in 1803 and that is why he was in Minden as I believe that Minden was the military post for that area. Any suggestions? Thank you, Doug Plowman > > Jens Th. Kaufmann > Dipl.-Bibl., genealogist > Reisweg 10 > D-38116 Braunschweig > Germany
Date: 1998/11/30 06:36:40
From: Dennis & Mary <leblanc(a)ridgecrest.ca.us>
The map is 1862. Mary At 07:53 PM 11/29/98 -0500, you wrote: >Mary, > >What year is the Hannover map? > > >Frank Wenzel >fwenz(a)hom.net >Researching: Aders, Bendernagel, Bilstein, Crittenden, Eichele, Helck, >Horldin, Moore, Pape, Ranft, Smylie, Tucker, Van Ameringe & Wenzel > >---------- >> From: Dennis & Mary <leblanc(a)ridgecrest.ca.us> >> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net >> Subject: Re: Hanover Map >> Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 2:35 PM >> >> Hi Judy, I found out I can get a very good color copy for $2. I will >> check on the cost of mailing tubes, and postage within the US this week. >> Mary L. >> >> At 12:17 PM 11/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >> >JBeck88803(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Thank you Mary I would like a copy, find out if it can be copied and >the >> cost >> >> I would appreciate it. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Joan >> > >> >Hello Mary. If you don't get inundated with requests, I would like very >> >much to have a map too. >> > >> >Judy >> > >> > > >
Date: 1998/11/30 19:59:56
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
PHYLLIS A RAKER schrieb: > Werner, I do appreciate your reply to my Markendorff questions. > I get this location on a death certificate for John Obertate. > You suggested that I should check the spelling for Obertate----------- > -John Obertate arrived in USA, 1872, > and during the mid-1870's was a church secretary/seketahr. I have > some copies of his minutes written > in German. He signed his name John Obertodte (two dots over the > second o , and I know there is a > word for that but it escapes me right now.) His marriage license, > 1874. the name Casper H. Obertate > is used. And on his naturalization application dated 1876 he used > the name John Obertate. > To further complicate my search: the death certificate used the > name John Henry obertate. > and the obituary in the newspaper used John Casper Obertate. > So, IF I could find the rest of the naturalization papers, I might > get some answers. -----------------------> I'm sorry, but I can't find Obertate, Obertäte or Obertödte in the German wide phone directory. Names like this are: Oberthaler, Obertacke, Oberstädt, Oberstatter, Oberstetter. > > Would you look in the Germany wide phone directory for the name Reker. > (and that one is now > Raker, I'm sure it was changed way back.) Also , was the Hannover > area. (Family hand-me-down was > that the Raker/Reker family came from a dairy farm, just outside > Hannover. ----------------------------> I found 753 Reker and 255 Raker. > Can I access this phone directory? --------------------> Yes, I have the directory on a CD-ROM, but you can access the phone directory via Internet: www.teleauskunft.de but it is very slowly. eMail directory: www.suchen.de Werner ----------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/30 20:15:16
From: Werner Honkomp <Werner.Honkomp(a)t-online.de>
To Deborah, you can find a map via INTERNET by University-Oldenburg/NAUSA: http://www.uni-oldenburg.de/nausa/ Werner ------------------------------------------------------------ Deborah Waller schrieb: > Just picked up on Marys note and it got me thinking! > > Can anyone point me to a website that would have a map I could download > for the kingdom of Hannover c. 1800. My geography is bad at the best of > times but in this time period it is definately way off base! > > Cheers, > > Debs > Werner Honkomp eMail: werner.honkomp(a)t-online.de Ziegelhofstr. 35B Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/werner.honkomp/ 26121 Oldenburg Genealogie: http://home.t-online.de/home/ww.honkomp/ GERMANY
Date: 1998/11/30 21:54:18
From: TIM M BROWN <TIMBROWN2(a)Prodigy.Net>
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I am looking for information on Edmund Christian
Gerlach He went by Christian. He and his wife Dorthea
Scheukel along with their children immigrated to the us in
1868. I have one of their children Friedericke Wilhemine being born in
Steigerthal. If anyone has any information on these people please let me
know. Anything would be helpfull.
Sandy in Missouri
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