Date: 1999/09/17 15:07:43
From: Pm401kplan <Pm401kplan(a)aol.com>
I need to obtain information from the emigration papers for my great-grandparents who emigrated to America in 1871. I believe this information is available at the Staatsarchiv Würzburg. I cannot travel to Germany, and the professional researchers I have contacted charge a small fortune, even for this limited research effort. I'm certainly willing to pay reasonable expenses. Does anyone have an idea whom I can contact to get this information? Thank you very much! Paul C. Miller
Date: 1999/09/17 15:44:39
From: Cloudhoper <Cloudhoper(a)aol.com>
Paul, Write to the archive directly. The archive may have someone who makes quick checks of such things as emigration papers. Send some money. Try e-mailing the facility if you want a fast answer. You may or may not get an answer. Worth a try. Earl Kisling
Date: 1999/09/17 16:50:02
From: Ruth & Steve <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
Is there an email for the archives so any of us can at least find out how much to send or what exactly they need to do a quick search? Thanks, Ruth Cloudhoper(a)aol.com wrote: > Paul, > > Write to the archive directly. The archive may have someone who makes quick > checks of such things as emigration papers. Send some money. Try e-mailing > the facility if you want a fast answer. You may or may not get an answer. > Worth a try. > > Earl Kisling
Date: 1999/09/17 17:42:04
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
The norm is to ask for an index of the list. If it exists and the list is
archived, you can then request via the get command just which date(s) you
would like to review.
specifically try this:
Send mail to majordomo(a)genealogy.net with the following two words as the
only text
ïndex franken-l
Then, after you receive an index, send another message to the same address
but this time write the text in the following format: .
get <list> <filename>
Get a file related to <list>.
or get franken-l <the file name from the index>
Hope that helps
fred
Fred(a)compu.com
Beverly,NJ/Naples,FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Ruth & Steve <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
To: <franken-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: Emigration Papers
> Is there an email for the archives so any of us can at least find out how
much
> to send or what exactly they need to do a quick search?
>
> Thanks,
> Ruth
>
>
> Cloudhoper(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Write to the archive directly. The archive may have someone who makes
quick
> > checks of such things as emigration papers. Send some money. Try
e-mailing
> > the facility if you want a fast answer. You may or may not get an
answer.
> > Worth a try.
> >
> > Earl Kisling
>
Date: 1999/09/17 18:00:36
From: Ruth & Steve <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
Fred, Oops, I really meant the German Archives building in Germany :-) After reading my own message I can see why you replied as you did. Thanks for the explanation anyway, I'm sure it will help in the future. Ruth Fred Rump wrote: > The norm is to ask for an index of the list. If it exists and the list is > archived, you can then request via the get command just which date(s) you > would like to review. > > specifically try this: > Send mail to majordomo(a)genealogy.net with the following two words as the > only text > ïndex franken-l > > Then, after you receive an index, send another message to the same address > but this time write the text in the following format: . > > get <list> <filename> > Get a file related to <list>. > > or get franken-l <the file name from the index> > > Hope that helps > fred > > Fred(a)compu.com > Beverly,NJ/Naples,FL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ruth & Steve <taylorsr(a)snip.net> > To: <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: Emigration Papers > > > Is there an email for the archives so any of us can at least find out how > much > > to send or what exactly they need to do a quick search? > > > > Thanks, > > Ruth > > > > > > Cloudhoper(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > > Paul, > > > > > > Write to the archive directly. The archive may have someone who makes > quick > > > checks of such things as emigration papers. Send some money. Try > e-mailing > > > the facility if you want a fast answer. You may or may not get an > answer. > > > Worth a try. > > > > > > Earl Kisling > >
Date: 1999/09/17 20:45:10
From: Gudrun & Helmut Rieger <Kombii(a)t-online.de>
Dear Paul, why don't you write to the Staatsarchiv yourself? They charge you as well, but to reasonable prices. You may ask them before. Staatsarchiv Würzburg Residenz-Nordflügel 97070 Würzburg Good luck. If you need some other addresses, I'll try to find them for you. Gudrun Baron-Rieger Pm401kplan(a)aol.com schrieb: > I need to obtain information from the emigration papers for my > great-grandparents who emigrated to America in 1871. I believe this > information is available at the Staatsarchiv Würzburg. I cannot travel to > Germany, and the professional researchers I have contacted charge a small > fortune, even for this limited research effort. I'm certainly willing to pay > reasonable expenses. Does anyone have an idea whom I can contact to get this > information? Thank you very much! > Paul C. Miller
Date: 1999/09/17 21:02:45
From: Ruth & Steve <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
Does this archive have records for the town of Bischofsheim a.d. Rhone? I had heard that some records are not microfilmed yet? anyone hear that info? Thanks, Ruth Schonder Taylor http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hills/5727 Gudrun & Helmut Rieger wrote: > Dear Paul, > > why don't you write to the Staatsarchiv yourself? They charge you as well, but > to reasonable prices. You may ask them before. > > Staatsarchiv Würzburg > Residenz-Nordflügel > 97070 Würzburg > > Good luck. If you need some other addresses, I'll try to find them for you. > > Gudrun Baron-Rieger > > Pm401kplan(a)aol.com schrieb: > > I need to obtain information from the emigration papers for my > > great-grandparents who emigrated to America in 1871. I believe this > > information is available at the Staatsarchiv Würzburg. I cannot travel to > > Germany, and the professional researchers I have contacted charge a small > > fortune, even for this limited research effort. I'm certainly willing to pay > > reasonable expenses. Does anyone have an idea whom I can contact to get this > > information? Thank you very much! > > Paul C. Miller
Date: 1999/09/19 08:58:22
From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net>
Hello, is anybody in there?
Date: 1999/09/19 11:20:30
From: Stefan Probst <stefan.probst(a)opticom.v-nam.net>
Dear Bavaria and Franken Listers,
I got several requests to post the URL of the "Bayerischer Landesverein für
Familienkunde" (roughly: "Bavarian Association for Family Research") BLF.
(There is also a Franconian Association, but they are unfortuantely not yet
in the Web)
I am glad, that me humble newbie (doing half serious genealogy only since a
couple of months) am able to provide you seniors with some glues and
possibly other URLs what might be of interest for you and other new-comers:
My quest started at
http://www.genealogy.net, a site that covers lots of links to German
genealogy.
The entry ("home") page is unfortunately in German only. Therefore I will
guide you here a bit:
Scroll down to "Mailing-Listen"
(you really need a translation for this :-) ?) and it will bring you to a
list of several mailing lists that might be of interest. Click e.g. on
"franken-l" and it will guide you to subscribe to that list.
Back to the entry page. Scroll down to "Homepages genealogischer Vereine".
Brings you to a page with a number of German Genealogy Associations
("Vereine"), amongst them the Bavarian...:
http://www.genealogy.net/gene/vereine/BLF/BLF-d.html (in German)
The English version is obviously planned, but not yet ready. So I'll
continue to be the guide dog:
Scroll down on the BLF page to the section of the "Bezirgsgruppe Schwaben
(Augsburg)" (Regional Group of Schwaben), there under subsection
"Mitglieder/Forschungsaktivitäten" (members/research activities) you get a
long lists about all their members.
You may find there:
- Mitglieds-Nummer (membership no.)
- Forschungsgebiet (geographical area of research)
- Familienforschung (families interested in)
- Aktivitäten (activities)
- Veröffentlichung (publications)
- Vorhanden (available data)
- Sucht (looking for data)
- Sonstiges (miscellaneous)
Although the group comprises only members of Schwaben area, they also do
research on areas of relatives and adjacent areas (see: Dürrheim in Lower
Franconia is researched by one of their members).
Back to the BLV main page, scroll more down to "Bezirgsgruppe Oberbayern
(München)". Clicking on "Forschungsaktivitäten in den Pfarreien der
Erzdiözese München-Freising" (research activities in the parishes of the
arch diocese Munich-Freising) brings you to a long list of parishes with
following entries:
- Pfarrei (name of parish)
(if you find an parish entry with "siehe": means "look instead at....")
- Bezirk (district) [religious district? - I don't know]
- Dekanat (deanery)
- Kirchenbuch ("church book", first year of available church records)
a (P) behind the year means, that at the time of compiling this list
the books were still in the parish.
But it was planned to bring all of them to the central archive
of the arch diocese by the end of 99.
The postal address of that archive is given at the end of that page.
- BLF-Mitglied (membership no. of researching member)
Unfortunately the "Regierungsbezirk Oberbayern" (Administrative Region)
covers similar, but not identical areas as the arch diocese.
The Diocese Eichstätt e.g. covers obviously areas of the administrative
regions of Oberbayern, Oberpfalz and Lower Franconia. A map of that Diocese
with deaneries (Dekanaten) (unfortunately no parishes)
is at http://www.ku-eichstaett.de/BISTUM/kapitel/dekanate.htm .
BTW: here is a map of diocese Passau:
http://www.forwiss.uni-passau.de/projekte/gen_dat/bistum.jpg
Back again to the BLV main page.
The other two "Bezirksgruppen" (Niederbayern/Passau and
Oberpfalz/Regensburg) have unfortunately not much genealogy data on the web
yet.
Scroll down a bit more an you see a list of private home pages of some of
the members (including their member no.!). If you are very lucky, then the
one who covers your area of interest has his own page where you get more
info, including his contact details.
Now back again to the main genealogy.net page (http://www.genealogy.net/)
At the very bottom ("Zur Startseite..") you'll find the link to a very good
link page: http://www.genealogy.net/gene/ about German genealogy, incl.
links to mirror sites. This page is in English, so you won't need me
anymore....
There is another interesting site about Bavaria at, an earmark "must" for
every Bavarian Genealogy Researcher:
http://www2.genealogy.net/gene/reg/BAY/ with many also more general
historic infos and links about Bavaria, including addresses of archives.
Unfortunately again only in German at present...
---
Now permit me here my own thoughts & comments regarding the BLF and their
site (in the hope that some of the list members are also BLF members):
What I like in genealogy is, that although working alone, you can work
together with people from all over the world. Although I am quite
"isolated" here in Vietnam, I found meanwhile "e-mail pals" in Australia
and another part in Germany, to whom I am probably related as the X-th
Cousin. Fascinating. The internet makes it possible that I search and share
my results with them.
The BLF did and does obviously extremely valuable research what is of great
interest not only for its own members, but for people all over the world.
In order to make their work available for others, a comprehensive website
would be the very necessity. The BLF is certainly in a unique position to
do this and could be easily the number one source on the internet for
genealogy data of Bavaria. And - there are probably a lot of people outside
the BLF who would be willing to share their Bavarian data if they would
know, where to send them to.
Unfortunately - although the present site is a very good beginning - there
could be much more.
May I suggest:
Step 1: Enable direct contacts to the BLF members:
Until all the data are (anonymously) available on the BLF website, direct
contacts to the single members could help. German data privacy laws
prohibit obviously the automatical publishing of personal data (name,
address, eMail), but the BLF should encourage its members to allow posting
of their eMail (and possibly postal) address on the BLF's website (i.e. a
table: member no. => eMail contact). Members who don't have eMail might be
covered by another member (or another friend) who might relay the mail,
incl. a bit of translation, if necessary. This should foster exchange of
data in *both* directions.
Step 2: Get areas of research of the other two regional groups
(Niederbayern, Oberpfalz) and publish all data in a unified structure on
the website:
Activities of Schwaben are presently sorted by member,
activities of Oberbayern are sorted by parish....
Maybe there should be one page by member, one by parish for every group.
Step 3: Searchable Database on the Web
Search by
- Location (farm, village, town...)
- Parish
- Surname
would show the BLF member (with eMail, private URL) who covers this area.
Search by member would show his contact details and the area he is
researching/interested in.
Step 4: BLF Database
Offer members and the public to enter and retrieve their data on Bavarian
Genealogy.
OK, I admit you would need sponsors and lots of volunteers for such a huge
project ;-)).
Step 5: Establish a "Bezirksgruppe Internet"
with members from all over the world :-))
What? You are still reading until here? Go on and send a mail to the BLF
(president: Lolo.Anwander(a)t-online.de, webmaster: Rudolf.Schmid(a)gmx.de),
offering your help in their web project!
If they are going to implement my proposals, they have a lot to do and
might be willing/thankfull to accept some help.
On the other side, I don't know, whether they would like to become the
"International Bavarian Society...." :-))
---
I guess it's time for me to retreat, begging for pardon for wasting your
time and valuable internet bandwidth. Curses because of shallow "small
talk" (Franken list members, you remember ;-) ), or life-time bans from
the BLF, pls. to my own eMail. We don't want to waste valuable list space
for that.
Humble Regards
Stefan
______________________________________________
Stefan Probst stefan(a)v-nam.net
Hanoi, Vietnam http://www.all.ourfamily.com
Date: 1999/09/19 15:30:14
From: JBKITT <JBKITT(a)email.msn.com>
Hi! I'm very, very new to this genealogy thing, so forgive me if I ever ask any stupid questions! :-) My name is Betty and I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. Not long ago, my father traced our family back to 1795, Bavaria, Mittelfranken, Uehlfeld, Germany. This is why I joined the list, just to see what I can learn about the region etc, any tidbits that I can pick up about anything. I'll probably be a luker the majority of the time, but had to say hi. Thanks Stefan for posting those URL. I will be checking them out! Betty
Date: 1999/09/19 16:00:01
From: Pm401kplan <Pm401kplan(a)aol.com>
For those researching Catholic Church records in Bavaria, there is a very informative web site: www.bistum-wuerzburg.de/ Click on Index (last entry on the left side of the page) to get a map of all the dioceses in Bavaria. (Sometimes the map details do not display; however if you move the mouse over the display area, the names of the dioceses will appear at the bottom of your screen. Click on the one you want. Augsburg is currently under development and info is not available.) From here you can get the names of the villages and towns as well as the name and address of the Church you can contact for information. I have received replies from the Churches in 2-3 weeks, although a small donation (DM 20-25) probably helped! One Church sent me 200 years of family history. Many of the records in Unterfranken (diocese of Würzburg) have been transferred to the diocesan archives. For these, I received a reply with info directly from the diocesan archive. In addition to a small "donation." it probably helps to write in German, because in some of the very small villages it is difficult to find someone who understands English. You can find sample German letters on "Cyndi's Lists" Internet site. I hope this info will help some of you in your research efforts. Paul C. Miller
Date: 1999/09/19 16:09:47
From: Scarlett Ziemba <paintr(a)tl.infi.net>
Yes, we are! Scarlett Ziemba (new subscriber) Researching: KANZLER, SCHREMBS of Feucht, Nuernberg in MITTEL-Franken!
Date: 1999/09/19 17:31:58
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Probst <stefan.probst(a)opticom.v-nam.net>
To: <franken-l(a)genealogy.net>
Cc: <BAVARIA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 5:19 AM
Subject: URLs about Genealogy in Bavaria
> (There is also a Franconian Association, but they are unfortuantely not
yet
> in the Web)
>
> I am glad, that me humble newbie (doing half serious genealogy only since
a
> couple of months) am able to provide you seniors with some glues and
> possibly other URLs what might be of interest for you and other
new-comers:
>
> My quest started at
> http://www.genealogy.net, a site that covers lots of links to German
> genealogy.
> The entry ("home") page is unfortunately in German only. Therefore I will
> guide you here a bit:
You forgot to put /gene behind the above URL. For the US the normal starting
point for German genealogy is http://german.genealogy.net/gene/
It is multilingual and can be seen in either German or English. We try to
translate everything we get that pertains to German genealogy but sometimes
we simply do not have enough translators who can work on a German to English
conversion task. Volunteers are always appreciated.
That the Verein für Familienforschung in Franken is not on the net is a real
shame for such a large organization but it reflects its local base where
very few if it's approx 800 members even have a computer and/or an email
address. What is the norm in the US is still an exception in Germany. They
still depend on local and face to face meetings and have not yet discovered
the benefits of a worldwide organization where meetings can be held on a
daily basis among individual members without these ever having to leave
their home. They quietly ignore the fact that there are far more researchers
outside the area than those who live in it.
The Bavarian pages Stefan describes here are an example for others to
follow. Sadly all of this always depends on an organization that is willing
to expose itself to the world and not just a very local audience. It also
requires one or more dedicated individuals who are willing to do the work to
prepare those pages. Not every society is at that evolutionary point just
yet.
> Now back again to the main genealogy.net page (http://www.genealogy.net/)
> At the very bottom ("Zur Startseite..") you'll find the link to a very
good
> link page: http://www.genealogy.net/gene/ about German genealogy, incl.
> links to mirror sites. This page is in English, so you won't need me
> anymore....
Ah, this is realy the start of the genealogy pages. Genealogy.net is more
general as it has always been a starting point for Rainer Herrmanns own
effort at financing genealogy.net in general. This is all being changed now
as the pages via the Computerverein für Genealogie are a part of Bürgernet
which is designed to permit more people to have access to the internet in
Germany.
> Now permit me here my own thoughts & comments regarding the BLF and their
> site (in the hope that some of the list members are also BLF members):
> What I like in genealogy is, that although working alone, you can work
> together with people from all over the world. Although I am quite
> "isolated" here in Vietnam, I found meanwhile "e-mail pals" in Australia
> and another part in Germany, to whom I am probably related as the X-th
> Cousin. Fascinating. The internet makes it possible that I search and
share
> my results with them.
Exactly. That is the power of the internet which most locally based
genealogical associations have not yet figured out. Where one lives no
longer has meaning in the modern world. All of us are as close as our next
door neighbor. People who are not on the internet, the majority of the
various societys' leadership, do not appreciate or recognize this and
therefore lies the problem. I joined the Franken society 7 years ago with
the express hope of being able to communicate with other society members
about my genealogy in Franken. It has never come to fruition simply because
one is talking to the wind rather than the society membership.
Stefan goes on to describe all the logical next steps for any society to
take. Unfortunately they will first have to learn and be able to use the
internet. There is no law for people to permit their own names and addresses
to be published in the open. All any society needs is their OK. Since the
whole purpose of genealogy is to expand one's realtionships, this seems only
to be a very logical and normal thing to do. All that is required is a
simply question to the membership and anyone who wishes to hide in a closet
and not associate with others only has to say so.
Realistically Stefan is only putting into words what an ideal world would
look like. Unfortunately, we are not there yet as communications is a two
way thing and the other end is still tied up in the old world of doing
things. It will take time, new leadership, maybe even a whole generational
changeover before that happens. Today the status quo is the norm and there
is no one out there who is willing to take the bull by the horns and change
it. Bruno Bauernschmidt of the Franken organization has tried to lead the
computerside of the group out of the dark ages but it is mostly a local
effort which has to do with what computer and what software to use etc. The
organization even went so far as to have their own genealogical softeware
developed instead of using what's commercially available. It should be
self-evident that no one society or group has the resources to take on such
a task and to keep development work up over the years. Software development
is not a one time or one man thing. It needs to assure itself of longivity
and become a part of general worldwide standards. Local requirements unique
to one program will only insure its very end that much sooner. The story has
played itself out over and over again with various one-man efforts
eventually failing their users and requiring painful conversions or complete
restarts. The whole thing is very ingrown and local instead out outreaching
and internationally standard. People forget once again that genealogy is not
static and local but rather world wide.
There is one project underway which might cheer Stefan up a little. The
members of the Computerverein are working an an alternative or addendum to
the dead end FOKO database which will be called GEDBAS. The idea will be to
enter genealogical data so that others may also find it. It is one of many
such databases whith those of ROOTSWEB leading the way on a non-commercial
basis but many more being collected by others and made available for a small
fee. Either approach is viable as everything costs money. The biggest
problem for German genealogists has always been a reluctance to make their
collections available to the world. Fears of the datapolice because of
Datenschutz and a general fear that someone else will make millions with
their precious collections has kept things at a very low key. Many
individuals do not share these societal concerns have issued their own
webpages and have no problem with others seeing their data. They welcome it
in order to increase their own database via connections they make from
people who find some kindship in their data.
Well, at least we've had a little communciation here on this weekend. The
list is normally very quiet and I haven't yet figured out why.
Fred
Date: 1999/09/19 19:00:28
From: Ruth & Steve <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
I'm here. This list doesn't seem constant but it is still active "Larry Flinner, Jr." wrote: > Hello, is anybody in there?
Date: 1999/09/19 19:09:40
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Please, no trash like this! Serious questions! Yes, but no TRSH! ----Original Message Follows---- From: llflinner(a)webtv.net (Larry Flinner, Jr.) Reply-To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: testing Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Hello, is anybody in there? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/09/19 19:11:38
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Hi,you are posting this to franken-l! Why? If I want to get info about Bavaria, I get on the other list, and I am here not to get all the things about Bavaria!
ciao
Bernd
Dear Bavaria and Franken Listers,
I got several requests to post the URL of the "Bayerischer Landesverein für
Familienkunde" (roughly: "Bavarian Association for Family Research") BLF.
(There is also a Franconian Association, but they are unfortuantely not yet
in the Web)
I am glad, that me humble newbie (doing half serious genealogy only since a
couple of months) am able to provide you seniors with some glues and
possibly other URLs what might be of interest for you and other new-comers:
My quest started at
http://www.genealogy.net, a site that covers lots of links to German
genealogy.
The entry ("home") page is unfortunately in German only. Therefore I will
guide you here a bit:
Scroll down to "Mailing-Listen"
(you really need a translation for this :-) ?) and it will bring you to a
list of several mailing lists that might be of interest. Click e.g. on
"franken-l" and it will guide you to subscribe to that list.
Back to the entry page. Scroll down to "Homepages genealogischer Vereine".
Brings you to a page with a number of German Genealogy Associations
("Vereine"), amongst them the Bavarian...:
http://www.genealogy.net/gene/vereine/BLF/BLF-d.html (in German)
The English version is obviously planned, but not yet ready. So I'll
continue to be the guide dog:
Scroll down on the BLF page to the section of the "Bezirgsgruppe Schwaben
(Augsburg)" (Regional Group of Schwaben), there under subsection
"Mitglieder/Forschungsaktivitäten" (members/research activities) you get a
long lists about all their members.
You may find there:
- Mitglieds-Nummer (membership no.)
- Forschungsgebiet (geographical area of research)
- Familienforschung (families interested in)
- Aktivitäten (activities)
- Veröffentlichung (publications)
- Vorhanden (available data)
- Sucht (looking for data)
- Sonstiges (miscellaneous)
Although the group comprises only members of Schwaben area, they also do
research on areas of relatives and adjacent areas (see: Dürrheim in Lower
Franconia is researched by one of their members).
Back to the BLV main page, scroll more down to "Bezirgsgruppe Oberbayern
(München)". Clicking on "Forschungsaktivitäten in den Pfarreien der
Erzdiözese München-Freising" (research activities in the parishes of the
arch diocese Munich-Freising) brings you to a long list of parishes with
following entries:
- Pfarrei (name of parish)
(if you find an parish entry with "siehe": means "look instead at....")
- Bezirk (district) [religious district? - I don't know]
- Dekanat (deanery)
- Kirchenbuch ("church book", first year of available church records)
a (P) behind the year means, that at the time of compiling this list
the books were still in the parish.
But it was planned to bring all of them to the central archive
of the arch diocese by the end of 99.
The postal address of that archive is given at the end of that page.
- BLF-Mitglied (membership no. of researching member)
Unfortunately the "Regierungsbezirk Oberbayern" (Administrative Region)
covers similar, but not identical areas as the arch diocese.
The Diocese Eichstätt e.g. covers obviously areas of the administrative
regions of Oberbayern, Oberpfalz and Lower Franconia. A map of that Diocese
with deaneries (Dekanaten) (unfortunately no parishes)
is at http://www.ku-eichstaett.de/BISTUM/kapitel/dekanate.htm .
BTW: here is a map of diocese Passau:
http://www.forwiss.uni-passau.de/projekte/gen_dat/bistum.jpg
Back again to the BLV main page.
The other two "Bezirksgruppen" (Niederbayern/Passau and
Oberpfalz/Regensburg) have unfortunately not much genealogy data on the web
yet.
Scroll down a bit more an you see a list of private home pages of some of
the members (including their member no.!). If you are very lucky, then the
one who covers your area of interest has his own page where you get more
info, including his contact details.
Now back again to the main genealogy.net page (http://www.genealogy.net/)
At the very bottom ("Zur Startseite..") you'll find the link to a very good
link page: http://www.genealogy.net/gene/ about German genealogy, incl.
links to mirror sites. This page is in English, so you won't need me
anymore....
There is another interesting site about Bavaria at, an earmark "must" for
every Bavarian Genealogy Researcher:
http://www2.genealogy.net/gene/reg/BAY/ with many also more general
historic infos and links about Bavaria, including addresses of archives.
Unfortunately again only in German at present...
---
Now permit me here my own thoughts & comments regarding the BLF and their
site (in the hope that some of the list members are also BLF members):
What I like in genealogy is, that although working alone, you can work
together with people from all over the world. Although I am quite
"isolated" here in Vietnam, I found meanwhile "e-mail pals" in Australia
and another part in Germany, to whom I am probably related as the X-th
Cousin. Fascinating. The internet makes it possible that I search and share
my results with them.
The BLF did and does obviously extremely valuable research what is of great
interest not only for its own members, but for people all over the world.
In order to make their work available for others, a comprehensive website
would be the very necessity. The BLF is certainly in a unique position to
do this and could be easily the number one source on the internet for
genealogy data of Bavaria. And - there are probably a lot of people outside
the BLF who would be willing to share their Bavarian data if they would
know, where to send them to.
Unfortunately - although the present site is a very good beginning - there
could be much more.
May I suggest:
Step 1: Enable direct contacts to the BLF members:
Until all the data are (anonymously) available on the BLF website, direct
contacts to the single members could help. German data privacy laws
prohibit obviously the automatical publishing of personal data (name,
address, eMail), but the BLF should encourage its members to allow posting
of their eMail (and possibly postal) address on the BLF's website (i.e. a
table: member no. => eMail contact). Members who don't have eMail might be
covered by another member (or another friend) who might relay the mail,
incl. a bit of translation, if necessary. This should foster exchange of
data in *both* directions.
Step 2: Get areas of research of the other two regional groups
(Niederbayern, Oberpfalz) and publish all data in a unified structure on
the website:
Activities of Schwaben are presently sorted by member,
activities of Oberbayern are sorted by parish....
Maybe there should be one page by member, one by parish for every group.
Step 3: Searchable Database on the Web
Search by
- Location (farm, village, town...)
- Parish
- Surname
would show the BLF member (with eMail, private URL) who covers this area.
Search by member would show his contact details and the area he is
researching/interested in.
Step 4: BLF Database
Offer members and the public to enter and retrieve their data on Bavarian
Genealogy.
OK, I admit you would need sponsors and lots of volunteers for such a huge
project ;-)).
Step 5: Establish a "Bezirksgruppe Internet"
with members from all over the world :-))
What? You are still reading until here? Go on and send a mail to the BLF
(president: Lolo.Anwander(a)t-online.de, webmaster: Rudolf.Schmid(a)gmx.de),
offering your help in their web project!
If they are going to implement my proposals, they have a lot to do and
might be willing/thankfull to accept some help.
On the other side, I don't know, whether they would like to become the
"International Bavarian Society...." :-))
---
I guess it's time for me to retreat, begging for pardon for wasting your
time and valuable internet bandwidth. Curses because of shallow "small
talk" (Franken list members, you remember ;-) ), or life-time bans from
the BLF, pls. to my own eMail. We don't want to waste valuable list space
for that.
Humble Regards
Stefan
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Hanoi, Vietnam http://www.all.ourfamily.com
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Date: 1999/09/19 19:13:15
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
By the way: Here info about several Frankonian names and families: ------------------------------------------------------------ Don't forget to check sometimes the Genealogy pages: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/0.html Special researches: Freibott Family http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/1.html Limpert Family http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/4.html Index of family names: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/surnames.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/09/19 20:54:48
From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net>
Dear Listers, My apologies to any that may have been offended, and thanks to those that graciously responded. I am new to the list and wasn't sure if I was "hooked-up" correctly (It was very quiet yesterday). Thank you Stefan for your posting. I would be glad to hear from anybody researching the following surnames and/ or localities: FLINNER: Neuengronau (now part of Sinntal), Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen; & Platz (now part of Geroda), Bad Kissingen Kreis, Unterfranken, Bayern & all over. To my knowledge, these were Protestant (Lutheran at Geroda, Later Uniert at Neuengronau). FUCHS: Sterbfritz (now part of Sinntal). Protestant (Uniert or Lutheran). KOLB: Hohenzell (now part of Schluectern), Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen. Uncertain, but I believe Protestant (Uniert) KRUG: Langenprozelten (now part of Gemuenden), Main-Spessart Kreis, Unterfranken, Bayern. Catholic. SEIGMANN: Platz & Geroda. Probably Lutheran. WENZEL: Dittlofsroda (now part of Wartmannsroth), Bad Kissingen Kreis, Unterfranken, Bayern. I do not yet know this families religious affiliation. All of these towns and villages are in relatively close proximity to one another. I have had to wade through and argue against a lot of (family) theories to get this far. I don't have a whole lot, but perhaps I could post some of the migrations later, if that is appropriate. I have been working on the Hessen stuff this year. Â I have been looking over the other areas (Unterfranken villages) preparing as best as I can, and it is about time to take the next step there. I am glad to see this Franken list. Thanks, Larry Holmes Co., Ohio, USA
Date: 1999/09/19 22:06:03
From: Stephen Bartlett <sbartlet(a)capecod.net>
Thank you, Fred, I do enjoy reading the Franken list and since my family didn't stay in one town for hundreds of years I am glad to see a reference to other links. I would probably not have found them without Stefan's note. I hesitate to say too much because I don't know too much. I'm learning by reading. I also don't want to say the wrong thing for fear someone will come down on my head for not adhering to the proper Franken subject. I am putting together research on the Menninger Family. I am back to the 1770's and looking for a connection from Kirchschonbach to someplace closer to Frankfurt/Main. I thank you for the help your list has given me, pointing me in the right direction. Elaine Menninger Bartlett
Date: 1999/09/19 22:13:23
From: Scarlett Ziemba <paintr(a)tl.infi.net>
Larry, Have you tried the Hessen Web Site, it's a very popular Information Site with lot's of links and information for "all" german researchers. I've been to busy with my American Research to use it 'yet. The only areas I know a little about is Prussian-Saxony, Thueringia, Selesia and a little bit of Polish Research. Starting to search: KANZLER, SCHREMBS of Mittel-Franken, Germany. Scarlett http://users.rootsweb.com/~deuhes/Hessen/index.htm
Date: 1999/09/19 22:47:22
From: JBKITT <JBKITT(a)email.msn.com>
Being new to the List, I wasn't sure of the protocol, therefore did not want to list the surnames I am searching. But I've seen others post theirs so thought I'd jump in with mine. Searching: Gegner and Zwanzger line. Thanks, Betty
Date: 1999/09/19 23:29:43
From: KKELS10S <KKELS10S(a)aol.com>
i'm here, 9/19/99!
Date: 1999/09/19 23:36:35
From: Bill Allen <allen(a)nconnect.net>
I am trying to identify the parents and German birthplaces of my g-g-gparents, Friedrich KLOEPPEL (Klöppel in Germany) and Margaretha Barbara LENZ who immigrated to Cincinnati separately around 1850 and were married at St. Matthaeus Evang. Lutheran Church in Cincinnati, 16 Apr 1854. I have tried to search the Cincinnati Church's records for info such as a Family Register, but I have found nothing. I don't know whether either of them were members when they were married there; however, they were devout Lutherans after they moved to Jennings Tsp., Putnam Co, OH abt 1856. >From Delphos OH Lutheran church records, I know that Margaretha Barbara LENZ was b. 21 Mar 1827 or 1825 in OBERFRANKEN (upper Franconia, in northern Bavaria), village/town not identified nor known. Possibilities for her father in Cincinnati in the early 1850's include: 1. Michael Lenz, listed in 1849/50, 1850/51, & 1853 Cincinnati city directories, dry goods, W 5th St (between Race & Elm) 2. Mathias Lenz, 1855 Cincinnati city directory, & naturalization record V. 31, p194 3. Leopold Lenz, 1856 Cincinnati city directory & 1860 census, Ward 10 4. Friedrich Lenz, 61, with dau's Margaretha, 24, and Elizabeth, 21, arrived in Baltimore from Gellershausen, DEU, 1 June 1850. I haven't located a Gellerhausen in Oberfranken? I have done a surname frequency study based on the internet German phonebook site records, and the town with the greatest frequency of LENZ surnames in Oberfranken seems to be 95131 Schwarzenbach a Wald (Schwarzenbach am Wald). I can't find any church records for this town in the LDS collection? As a matter of fact, I can't find this town listed in LDS records?? (Perhaps some other name in the town name convention used in the LDS catalog?) Friedrich Kloeppel, b. 27 Jun 1823 (per Delphos OH Lutheran church records), Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen (village not known), DEU. Researching this area in DEU, I have found a Johann Friedrich Klöppel, b. 27 Mar 1822, in Gudersleben (a small village a few kilometers south of Sonderhausen), who immigrated to America in 1851. I believe this is my ancestor, but I do not know why the dates do not match. From the German records, it appears that the father of this Johann Friedrich Klöppel, Johann Heinrich Klöppel (b. 3 Jul 1800) came to America in 1852 with his second wife, Friederike Dorothea Penzler (b. 20 Jan 1828); however, I have not found any record of them in the US.. Any assistance or suggestions would be appreciated. Bill Allen allen(a)nconnect.net West Bend, WI
Date: 1999/09/19 23:43:30
From: KKELS10S <KKELS10S(a)aol.com>
Betty from Cincinnati- Welcome, I have found innumerable outstanding URLs on this site and the Bavaria List. Also, the LDS (Norwood Branch) and our Downtown Library has wonderful reference areas as well as genealogists on staff that can cut your work in half. If you are looking for a specific area ,let me know and I'll send "the best" sites that I have found and/or the names of someone in the area who might be able to help. Sincerely, Karen in Cincy KKELS10S(a)aol.com
Date: 1999/09/19 23:50:40
From: Scarlett Ziemba <paintr(a)tl.infi.net>
Try this site to get a map of the area the town was in. Click on mapsearch and under cities type in your name, it will find your town! http://www.mapquest.com/
Date: 1999/09/20 00:59:35
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
> Thank you, Fred, I do enjoy reading the Franken list and since my family > didn't stay in one town for hundreds of years I am glad to see a > reference to other links. I would probably not have found them without > Stefan's note. Franken is a part of today's Bavaria and references to that larger community have never been frowned upon. > > I hesitate to say too much because I don't know too much. I'm learning > by reading. I also don't want to say the wrong thing for fear someone > will come down on my head for not adhering to the proper Franken > subject. Again, I can't recall that ever happening here either. Most folks are happy to see 'something' as long as it has to do with genealogy or history. Never fear to say or ask what's on your mind. That's what this list is here for. Fred
Date: 1999/09/20 02:17:48
From: Bill Allen <allen(a)nconnect.net>
From: Scarlett Ziemba <paintr(a)tl.infi.net> To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: Lenz; Oberfranken, DEU>Cincinnati, OH; mid 1800's Try this site to get a map of the area the town was in. Click on mapsearch and under cities type in your name, it will find your town! http://www.mapquest.com/ Scarlett, Thanks for your suggestion; however, I don't think I made my problem clear. As I said, I have done a surname frequency study based on the internet German phonebook site records, and the town with the greatest frequency of LENZ surnames in Oberfranken seems to be 95131 Schwarzenbach a Wald (Schwarzenbach am Wald). I can't find any church records for this town in the LDS collection? As a matter of fact, I can't find this town listed in LDS records?? (Perhaps some other name in the town name convention used in the LDS catalog?) I have no problem finding Schwarzenbach a Wald (Schwarzenbach am Wald) at http://www.mapquest.com/ - however, mapquest has no historical/genealogical records, so knowing where the town is currently located doesn't find records. I can't find any church records for this town in the LDS collection? As a matter of fact, I can't find this town listed in LDS records?? I.E., I can't find the town at - http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearc h&columns=*,180,0 The LDS records are filed by town location names as they existed 1871 to 1918, described in Meyers Orts. So, I speculate that the town today named Schwarzenbach a Wald (Schwarzenbach am Wald) may have been named something else in 1871-1918? Bill Allen allen(a)nconnect.net West Bend, WI
Date: 1999/09/20 02:19:26
From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net>
Scarlett wrote: <<Have you tried the Hessen Web Site, it's a very popular Information Site with lot's of links and information for "all" german researchers.>> Yes, I have. It is an excellent Web Site, with many helpful people attached to the list. I probably couldn't have gotten this far, this quickly without the links provided there and the many helpful folks to get me "tuned-up" with details. The genealogical research-- I have had to do on my own though (in the trenches), through professional researchers after concluding that sources listed in the IGI of the FHC were not available for that geographical area. I was able to "prove" my lines to those listed in the IGI, filling in gaps along the way. The key to this was locating the local (US) Church death record for the "so called brother, Johannes" of my immigant ancestor, which listed the village. I have much info from local sources, indicating these to be be brothers, however I have yet to locate this "brother" anywhere among the family in Germany. I suspect he will turn up eventually. My Gr.Gr.Grandfather, Conrad FLINNER immigrated to Holmes County, Ohio in 1866 at the age of 17 years (I haven't located a ship list). He was among 8 FLINNERs that came to this area between 1864-1879 and was born in 1849 in Neuengronau, Hessen. A number of FLINNER families appear to have moved to Neuengronau, Hessen from Platz or Geroda, Unterfranken, Bayern ca. 1776 +/-. Among them, Conrad FLINNER's Gr.Grandparents: Sebastian FLINNER & Barbara Elisabethe FUCHS of Sterbfritz and children. The earliest connection that I have is that of the marriage of Michael FLINNER & Margaretha SEIGMANN at Geroda in 1723 and the subsequent Christening and marriage of a son-- Sebastian (shown above) as shown in the IGI. The family appears to have been Lutheran. Another locality mentioned in the IGI is "Bruechenau-Platz" and "Platz-Brueckenau". At first I thought this to be a reference to the city of Bad Brueckenau. Further research turned up a village called "Platz", just SE of Geroda. Platz is now a part of 97779 Geroda. Now a question(s): Can anybody dispute the above arguement? Would the town "Brueckenau-Platz" refer to the village of Platz, as I suspect? Was there some connection between Platz and Brueckenau in the early-mid 18th c.? Or is there some other explaination? I have been told that these surnames are not on a list of names for Geroda ca. 1600. I know of a Lutheran preacher/ songwritter named Johann FLINNER (ca. 1520-1578, also shown as Flinneri, Fliner, Flimmer, etc.) that was apparently stirring the dust in Baden-Wuerttemburg area and Holland during his time (Reformation Era). For this and other reasons, I suspect the FLINNERs came to Geroda from further south, though this has yet to be shown. But for now I hope to understand Franconia a bit better. I thank you for your time, space, and comments, Larry Flinner Holmes Co., Ohio, USA
Date: 1999/09/20 02:27:37
From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net>
Hello Bill, Have you checked the IGI at the FHC for the surname?
Date: 1999/09/20 03:55:03
From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net>
Sorry Bill, my big finger hit the wrong button prematurely. You probably have checked your surnames in the IGI (?). I (and others) have had the same problem with locating records for the areas of Neuengronau, Geroda, Platz-Brueckenau, etc. The towns are clearly named in the IGI for my surnames, however a locality check at the FHC provided "0". We all tried all that we could think of-- to no avail. After posting a query similar to yours, I learned of many others with the same problem. One person offered to help but I received no reply once I had provided the Batch/source/film #s. Another said that he had a film for one of my research areas "currently" on loan at the FHC. When I asked how the films might be accessed, he replied that basically one set of #s had to be converted into another set of #s. I never received the formula (process) for doing this. The ladies at the local FHC (precious as they are) are unable to help me in this quest. The films for my search area, I was told, are actually "type-written transcriptions prepared by Enid Bienmueller". I would still like to see these. Hopefully we can find a solution to this problem. By the way, to my knowledge, records for Germany are not online yet. Larry ----Original---- <<I can't find any church records for this town in the LDS collection? As a matter of fact, I can't find this town listed in LDS records?? (Perhaps some other name in the town name convention used in the LDS catalog?)>>
Date: 1999/09/20 03:59:16
From: Bruce Willstaedt <brucew(a)inet4u.com>
Do you have any of the following in a 10 miles radius of Creussen? KUFFNER<HOFFMAN<HUBSCHER>SCHAART<BAUERFIEND< ZAPH<BAUMANN<BECK<GEBHARDT<BAUER<MANN<GRAFF< KOLB<POPP<PEZOLD<LEUKAUFF Thanks
Date: 1999/09/20 04:24:41
From: KKELS10S <KKELS10S(a)aol.com>
Bill, I remember some of the history on your first message because my ancestors also came from the Franconia area in early 1850's and came to Cincinnati. Mine were from an area east of Wurzburg and I believe came to avoid revolution in the area. Anyway, at our LDS we have several volunteers who have found information on towns that were not in the LDS index. So, if you have access to a center you might seek help. Our genealogist did say, however, that my Franconian town of Wiesentheid was not as yet filmed. If you need anything looked up at Cinti library, let me know and I'll see what i can do. Karen in Cincinnati
Date: 1999/09/20 05:08:48
From: Stefan Probst <stefan.probst(a)opticom.v-nam.net>
At 17:12 19.09.99 GMT, you wrote:
-------------------------
> Hi,
> you are posting this to franken-l! Why? If I want to get info about
Bavaria,
> I get on the other list, and I am here not to get all the things about
> Bavaria!
> ciao
> Bernd
Franken is part of Bayern!
I mentioned the BLF (Bavarian Society for Family Research) in a posting on
the Franken list and got several requests to name the URL. After sending my
long sermon I got several "Thanks" from members of the Franken List. So
there seems to be a lot of interest.
And with good reason: since Franken is part of Bayern, a lot of info can be
found of the Bavarian WebSites. And since they cover overlapping areas, I
think that everybody who is looking for people in the Franken area is
advised to subscribe to both lists.
Furthermore, since both lists are on different servers (genealogy.net and
rootsweb), I suspect many users don't know of the other one: Franken
researchers might well be only on the Bavarian list (because they didn't
know, that the Franken list exists, and Franken is part of Bavaria) - or
they are on the Franken list, but don't know about the Bavaria List and
miss therefore info.
And the last thing: The borders of the dioceses (i.e. where the church
books can be found) don't adhere to the borders of the administrative
regions ("Regierungsbezirke"). Diocese Eichstätt e.g. covers areas in Upper
Bavaria, Lower Franconia, Upper Palatine (Oberpfalz).
Franconian (where my mother comes from) and Bavarian (where my father comes
from) Greetings from Vietnam to Italy!
Stefan
Date: 1999/09/20 05:44:42
From: Scarlett Ziemba <paintr(a)tl.infi.net>
I am posting these Links hoping to help someone find the ship list of their ancestor for more info where they were from: Good Luck! United States Passenger List Records http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/swig/usarecords.html GENEALOGY: GERMAN IMMIGRANTS TO AMERICA http://www.theriver.com/westlandpubn/ga.html Scarlett http://angelfire.com/sc/scarlett/
Date: 1999/09/20 07:13:47
From: Earl Brunner <ebrunner(a)lvcablemodem.com>
Larry: You need to realize the IGI and the Locality file are two different things. The IGI has information submitted by individuals throughout the world and the source film number would give who submitted it, etc but it is only a secondary source. The Locality File is part of the Catalog of the Salt Lake Family History Library and it includes only localities found in the Libraries holdings, thus you can find a place in the IGI that is not in the Locality File. Do you have the film number that the individual had at the FHC? If so I should be able to help you access it. One of the big problems with the Library Catalog is that you need everything exact. Sometimes the cataloger might choose another person or Corporate Name for the author and miss the one you have therefore "Enid Bienmueller". They may have transposed a letter. Several years back the Library put everything on the Computer. This was a massive job with over 100,000 Books, 1,000,000 film with some of the films having 40 and 50 items. Errors were made but have been corrected as found. Twice the Library has change the method of numbering Film. Some of the old film number need to be converted to the new Film numbers in order to order the film. This can be done if you have the old number. When they recatolaged some the these got lost to the regular FHC worker. I have one that I had a copy of the film and knew it should have been in the collection as it was one of the oldest film numbers. I now know the new number. Send me what you have and I'll see what I can find as I live near one the larger FHC and they have all the conversion information. I maybe able to help you. Earl Brunner Las Vegas, Nevada -----Original Message----- From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net> To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Sunday, September 19, 1999 7:02 PM Subject: Re: Lenz; Oberfranken, DEU>Cincinnati, OH; mid 1800's Sorry Bill, my big finger hit the wrong button prematurely. You probably have checked your surnames in the IGI (?). I (and others) have had the same problem with locating records for the areas of Neuengronau, Geroda, Platz-Brueckenau, etc. The towns are clearly named in the IGI for my surnames, however a locality check at the FHC provided "0". We all tried all that we could think of-- to no avail. After posting a query similar to yours, I learned of many others with the same problem. One person offered to help but I received no reply once I had provided the Batch/source/film #s. Another said that he had a film for one of my research areas "currently" on loan at the FHC. When I asked how the films might be accessed, he replied that basically one set of #s had to be converted into another set of #s. I never received the formula (process) for doing this. The ladies at the local FHC (precious as they are) are unable to help me in this quest. The films for my search area, I was told, are actually "type-written transcriptions prepared by Enid Bienmueller". I would still like to see these. Hopefully we can find a solution to this problem. By the way, to my knowledge, records for Germany are not online yet. Larry ----Original---- <<I can't find any church records for this town in the LDS collection? As a matter of fact, I can't find this town listed in LDS records?? (Perhaps some other name in the town name convention used in the LDS catalog?)>>
Date: 1999/09/20 18:01:00
From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
Hi Everyone: Can someone tell me who 'Enid Bienmueller' is? I am wanting to find a 'Magdalena Bienmueller'. Magdalena has contributed files to the LDS Library on the 'Drescher's' from Nueses a Berg, Unterfranken, Bayern. I have tried writing to her but the address I have must be outdated. > >The films for my search area, I was told, are actually "type-written >transcriptions prepared by Enid Bienmueller". I would still like to see >these.
Date: 1999/09/20 18:28:47
From: David F Schmidt <dfschmidt(a)earthlink.net>
Enid Bienmueller (Bienmüller) is a genealogist in Würzburg who transcribed information from the church books of various towns north of Würzburg. These towns include Burgsinn, Zeitlofs, Weißenbach, Detter, Geroda, Platz, and others. The transcribed information was submitted to the LDS (Mormon) Church and forms the basis of the IGI entries for that area. If you access the IGI and find an entry for one of the above towns, the source number will be a batch number, not a film or fiche number. To view Mr. Bienmueller's original typewritten transcripts, you need to convert the batch numbers to film numbers. Each local Family History Center has microfiche that lists batch numbers and that gives the corresponding film numbers. Often, the ordinary assistants at those centers know nothing about this and cannot help you with this. However, if you look for the fiche of batch numbers, you should be able to find it. As for Mr. Bienmueller, when I was in Würzburg in 1993, I telephoned his residence to ask him questions about the church records he had transcribed. Unfortunately, the person who answered the phone informed me that Mr. Bienmueller had passed away. Mr. Bienmueller's own family came from the area described above. As far as I know, Mr. Bienmueller succeeded in researching his family back into the 1500s in Geroda and Platz. That is why the transcribed records for those two towns (now entered in the IGI) go back to the 1500s. The transcribed records for the other towns (also entered in the IGI) generally go back only to about 1800. That's a shame. If Mr. Bienmueller had been able to transcribe earlier records for the other towns, we would now have a pretty good database for the above area (i.e., the former territory of the Barons of Thüngen) in Unterfranken. David F. Schmidt Walnut Creek, CA, USA dfschmidt(a)earthlink.net
Date: 1999/09/20 19:42:39
From: David F Schmidt <dfschmidt(a)earthlink.net>
Earlier today, I posted a message about the church records transcribed by Enid Bienm�ller of W�rzburg. I mentioned that, when one finds one of these entries on the IGI, the source code is a batch number, not a film or fiche number. To illustrate what I am talking about, let me give a specific example. While searching the IGI for SCHNEIDER entries from Bavaria, I came across some entries for SCHNEIDERS in Geroda and Platz. When I looked at the source code, it listed Batch No. 8228523. By using the microfiche of batch numbers at my local Family History Center, I was able to translate Batch No. 8228523 into Film No. 0884898. I ordered that film and am now researching through Mr. Bienm�ller's typewritten transcripts of the Geroda and Platz church records. Besides Batch No. 8228523, there are other batch numbers that I am interested in. When I am ready, I will use the same process to translate them into film numbers and then order the appropriate films. David F. Schmidt Walnut Creek, CA, USA dfschmidt(a)earthlink.net
Date: 1999/09/20 21:06:43
From: Earl Brunner <ebrunner(a)lvcablemodem.com>
Steve: Thanks to David the problem is solved. The Salt Lake Family History Library doesn't have Enid Bienmueller's Transcription of his work only the submission he or someone else made to the IGI. Film number 884808 is a patron submission film thus it is not found in the Family History Library Catalog as a Locality listing. You need to go to: http://www.familysearch.org/ Click on Browse and then click on Libraries, then Family History Library, then All Searches, and then Film/Fiche Search. Now all you do is type in the film number to get a description. You can do this with any film number. At this time you need to go to a FHC to look at German IGI entries as they are not online as yet. When they are it will be easier to search online. When you find an entry on the IGI the FHC should be able to help you convert that number to a film number. If they are unable to do this for you get the batch number and the information on the individual you are interested in and I'll convert it to a film number for you. All of Enid's submissions may not be on the same film. Earl -----Original Message----- From: David F Schmidt <dfschmidt(a)earthlink.net> To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 10:48 AM Subject: Enid Bienm�ller/translating batch nos. into film nos. Earlier today, I posted a message about the church records transcribed by Enid Bienm�ller of W�rzburg. I mentioned that, when one finds one of these entries on the IGI, the source code is a batch number, not a film or fiche number. To illustrate what I am talking about, let me give a specific example. While searching the IGI for SCHNEIDER entries from Bavaria, I came across some entries for SCHNEIDERS in Geroda and Platz. When I looked at the source code, it listed Batch No. 8228523. By using the microfiche of batch numbers at my local Family History Center, I was able to translate Batch No. 8228523 into Film No. 0884898. I ordered that film and am now researching through Mr. Bienm�ller's typewritten transcripts of the Geroda and Platz church records. Besides Batch No. 8228523, there are other batch numbers that I am interested in. When I am ready, I will use the same process to translate them into film numbers and then order the appropriate films. David F. Schmidt Walnut Creek, CA, USA dfschmidt(a)earthlink.net
Date: 1999/09/20 21:25:46
From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
Hi Everyone: Does anyone know when the German IGI entries will be on line? Larry Mastrpomatteo >At this time you need to go to a FHC to look at German IGI entries as they >are not online as yet. When they are it will be easier to search online. >When you find an entry on the IGI the FHC should be able to help you convert >that number to a film number.
Date: 1999/09/20 22:59:34
From: Scarlett Ziemba <paintr(a)tl.infi.net>
David, Thanks for the advice! I am still learning how to use the LDS. Scarlett http://angelfire.com/sc/scarlett/
Date: 1999/09/21 05:45:28
From: Ruth & Steve <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
Stefan,
RE: your message below
And the last thing: The borders of the dioceses (i.e. where the church
books can be found) don't adhere to the borders of the administrative
regions ("Regierungsbezirke"). Diocese Eichstätt e.g. covers areas in Upper
Bavaria, Lower Franconia, Upper Palatine (Oberpfalz).
My family was from Bischofsheim which was in the area of UntenWeissenbrun and
Lower Franconia
Does this mean I should write to Diocese Eichstätt too in hopes of finding
more info on my Schonder's?
If so, do you or anyone else know the address? I want to send to as many
places as I can. I have had no luck
in the past 2 years with St. Georg church so I'm willing to try anything.
Thanks much,
Ruth Schonder Taylor
Bucks County, PA
"Floyd's been here and hope he is long gone"
Date: 1999/09/21 06:13:42
From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net>
Thank you David and Earl, I found the LDS Film / Fiche Search site you stated. You can go there directly at: http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=generalfilmsearch&columns=*%2C180%2C0 I have recently moved and much of my stuff is in boxes (!?!). I was however able to find one of the numbers. I tried this as suggested with the results: "no matches found". Here is one of the numbers I have: Batch / Film # 8229329 Am I doing something wrong? Larry
Date: 1999/09/21 08:10:36
From: Earl Brunner <ebrunner(a)lvcablemodem.com>
Larry: This is a batch number and we will need to covert it to a Film number. Film Numbers are under 2,000,000 and Fiche Number are 6,000,000 numbers. Because the German IGI is not online as yet you will need to go to the FHC to find the film number. The 82 tells you it was submitted to the IGI in 1982. You may never find the submitter as in seventeen years a lot can happen. If you need further help get back to me. Earl -----Original Message----- From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net> To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Enid Bienmüller/translating batch nos. intofilm nos. Thank you David and Earl, I found the LDS Film / Fiche Search site you stated. You can go there directly at: http://www.familysearch.org/fhlc/supermainframeset.asp?display=generalfilmse arch&columns=*%2C180%2C0 I have recently moved and much of my stuff is in boxes (!?!). I was however able to find one of the numbers. I tried this as suggested with the results: "no matches found". Here is one of the numbers I have: Batch / Film # 8229329 Am I doing something wrong? Larry
Date: 1999/09/21 13:29:38
From: Karla Nurnberg <muessidenn(a)yahoo.com>
Hi Larry,
If you cannot locate someone, who has submitted
something to the IGI in 1982, I have a suggestion. You
can e-mail me, if you cannot locate them at the
address listed on the submission form. I know what one
has to do to find a current address for a member of
the LDS church.
Good luck on your search and let me know, if you
should need any help.
Karla Nurnberg
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Date: 1999/09/22 12:39:24
From: Maria und Jared Jobs <M.J.JOBS(a)t-online.de>
Hello List-mebers, maybe somebody can help me to continue my research or is looking for the same the family. The ancestors is Johann Peter Siegmund WINCKLER, Superintendant, acchording to the protestant pastor index: * 3 Aug 1702 in Ansbach / Franken + 17 Jan 1780 in Stolberg, Sangershausen,Saxony oo I 24 Oct 1732 in Lobenstein to Dorothea Maria CAROLI I would like to find the parents. Does somebody have access to the church records, what can I do ? 2) In which list can I ask about Bayreuth, does it belong to Franken or to Bavaria ? Kind regards, J. Jobs Hallo Listenteilnehmer, wer kann mir sagen wie ich die Eltern des oebn genannten ev. Superintendenten (J.P.S. WINCKLER) finden Kann (siehe oben)? Wer sucht auch in Ansbach ? Welches Quellenmaterial gibt es dort ? 2) Gehoert Bayreuth zu Franken oder Bayern, wie ist die Listenadressen Bayerns ? Freundliche Gruesse, J. Jobs
Date: 1999/09/22 14:46:40
From: Warren and Vera Distler <warren(a)evansville.net>
Bayreuth, I beleieve would be part of Ober Frannken. Maria und Jared Jobs wrote: > Hello List-mebers, > > maybe somebody can help me to continue my research or is looking for the > same the family. > > The ancestors is Johann Peter Siegmund WINCKLER, Superintendant, acchording > to the protestant pastor index: > > * 3 Aug 1702 in Ansbach / Franken > + 17 Jan 1780 in Stolberg, Sangershausen,Saxony > > oo I 24 Oct 1732 in Lobenstein to Dorothea Maria CAROLI > > I would like to find the parents. Does somebody have access to the church > records, what can I do ? > > 2) In which list can I ask about Bayreuth, does it belong to Franken or to > Bavaria ? > > Kind regards, > > J. Jobs > > Hallo Listenteilnehmer, > > wer kann mir sagen wie ich die Eltern des oebn genannten ev. > Superintendenten (J.P.S. WINCKLER) finden Kann (siehe oben)? Wer sucht auch > in Ansbach ? Welches Quellenmaterial gibt es dort ? > > 2) Gehoert Bayreuth zu Franken oder Bayern, wie ist die Listenadressen > Bayerns ? > > Freundliche Gruesse, > > J. Jobs
Date: 1999/09/24 01:44:02
From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net>
David and Earl, I would say that this subject has been thoroughly explained-- however, so that I am sure that I understand the process, I will state my understanding of your explanation: 1) The number that I obtained from the source column of the IGI is actually a "batch number". 2) This batch number must be looked up on the "microfiche of batch numbers" at the FHC. 3) On this microfiche, the batch # will be converted to a microfilm # (or #s). 4) The microfilm can then be ordered. Please correct or verify. I shall try this at the next available opportunity. Thanks, Larry Flinner Walnut Creek, OH llflinner(a)webtv.net
Date: 1999/09/24 03:06:49
From: Earl Brunner <ebrunner(a)lvcablemodem.com>
Larry you are correct. You can also use the Batch number and Film Number in http://www.familysearch.org/ If you know these number when using the IGI search put the surname you are interested in and the batch number and all those with that surname will come up. Earl Brunner -----Original Message----- From: Larry Flinner, Jr. <llflinner(a)webtv.net> To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Enid Bienmüller/translating batch nos.intofilm nos. David and Earl, I would say that this subject has been thoroughly explained-- however, so that I am sure that I understand the process, I will state my understanding of your explanation: 1) The number that I obtained from the source column of the IGI is actually a "batch number". 2) This batch number must be looked up on the "microfiche of batch numbers" at the FHC. 3) On this microfiche, the batch # will be converted to a microfilm # (or #s). 4) The microfilm can then be ordered. Please correct or verify. I shall try this at the next available opportunity. Thanks, Larry Flinner Walnut Creek, OH llflinner(a)webtv.net
Date: 1999/09/25 14:03:13
From: Pm401kplan <Pm401kplan(a)aol.com>
If an individual filed for permission to emigrate to the USA in 1871, would these papers be filed in the territory of residence at the time of emigration, or in the territory where the individual was born and the family originally came from? Thank you. Paul C. Miller
Date: 1999/09/25 17:25:54
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
Usually where they lived at the time of emigration. Fred Fred(a)compu.com Beverly,NJ/Naples,FL ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pm401kplan(a)aol.com> To: <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 8:02 AM Subject: Emigration papers > If an individual filed for permission to emigrate to the USA in 1871, would > these papers be filed in the territory of residence at the time of > emigration, or in the territory where the individual was born and the family > originally came from? > Thank you. > Paul C. Miller
Date: 1999/09/25 19:20:44
From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
Does anyone know what the address for the "Bavarian Genealogical Association" is? And what kind of information they have?
Date: 1999/09/25 20:18:05
From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
I am looking for a little advise. I would like to write to the city archives and possibly the state archives in Germany to request information about my family. Does anyone know how much money one needs to send along with the request and what should the currency be in, German Marks or Euro Dollar?
Date: 1999/09/25 23:21:03
From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
Heim Obereisenheim, Unterfranken Reuter Obereisenheim, Unterfranken Krönlein Obereisenheim, Unterfranken Lindner Obereisenheim, Unterfranken Krauss Obereisenheim, Unterfranken Reich Obereisenheim, Unterfranken Trautmann Obereisenheim, Unterfranken Drescher Nueses a Berg, Unterfranken Pappert Nueses a Berg, Unterfranken Härtlein Herrnsheim, Unterfranken Appold Herrnsheim, Unterfranken Dürr Hüttenheim, Unterfranken Grötsch Hüttenheim, Unterfranken Neubert Hüttenheim, Unterfranken Heyd Hüttenheim, Unterfranken Wagner Hersbruck, Mittelfranken Pemsel Hersbruck, Mittelfranken Raum Hersbruck, Mittelfranken
Date: 1999/09/25 23:58:38
From: Patsy J Sawyer <buttons(a)whidbey.net>
Larry, It has been my experience to not send money to German Archives when you first send your request. Send all the information that you have to the Archive where the records are that you are requesting and they will in turn send you a bill for what you owe ( in Marks), if they find the information you have requested. It then will be easier for you to get the correct amount of money to send to them. Patsy, Researching Wolf, Schoeberlein, Lebender, Lehner from the Gunzenhausen, Mittlefranken area in Bavaria and now Bayern. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca> To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 11:11 AM Subject: archive requests? >I am looking for a little advise. I would like to write to the city >archives and possibly the state archives in Germany to request information >about my family. Does anyone know how much money one needs to send along >with the request and what should the currency be in, German Marks or Euro >Dollar? > >
Date: 1999/09/26 03:30:32
From: Peter Poehls <p.poehls(a)sympatico.ca>
My cousin in NYC is researching RAUM from Wuerzburg. Would you like the contact? Peter Poehls p.poehls(a)sympatico.ca At 03:30 PM 25/09/99 -0700, you wrote: >Heim Obereisenheim, Unterfranken >Reuter Obereisenheim, Unterfranken >Krönlein Obereisenheim, Unterfranken >Lindner Obereisenheim, Unterfranken >Krauss Obereisenheim, Unterfranken >Reich Obereisenheim, Unterfranken >Trautmann Obereisenheim, Unterfranken >Drescher Nueses a Berg, Unterfranken >Pappert Nueses a Berg, Unterfranken >Härtlein Herrnsheim, Unterfranken >Appold Herrnsheim, Unterfranken >Dürr Hüttenheim, Unterfranken >Grötsch Hüttenheim, Unterfranken >Neubert Hüttenheim, Unterfranken >Heyd Hüttenheim, Unterfranken >Wagner Hersbruck, Mittelfranken >Pemsel Hersbruck, Mittelfranken >Raum Hersbruck, Mittelfranken >
Date: 1999/09/27 16:47:51
From: Scarlett Ziemba <paintr(a)tl.infi.net>
For "All" interested, I just got an answer about Kirchenbuecher from this address (6 week Waiting Period): "Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin" Jebensstraße 3 D-10623 Berlin E-Mail: eza(a)snafu.de Telefon +49+30-31001130 Kirchenbücher aus Thüringen und Sachsen: Superintendentur Leipzig-Ost Nikolaikirchhof 3 04109 Leipzig Landeskirchenamt der Evangelisch-Lutherischen Kirche in Thüringen Dr.-Moritz-Mitzenheim-Straße 2a 99817 Eisenach If you write to any of the above, make sure you send it "Airmail", the address is in the correct order and don't forget to add GERMANY below the Zip Code and City! Form Letters: Two German/English Form Letters of Introduction: http://www3.adnc.com/~lynnd/vuword.html#g For Reference on German Regions I always refer back to these Pages: Adalbert Goertz's Regional German FAQ'S Deutschland (Germany) FAQ http://www3.adnc.com/~lynnd/gfaqd.html German Genealogy Study Group 2. Maps, History, German Regions and Heraldry http://www3.adnc.com/~lynnd/vumap2.html German Study Group/GERMAN WORDS http://www3.adnc.com/~lynnd/vuword.html#g
Date: 1999/09/27 17:41:07
From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
Patsy: Thanks for the foregoing information! >Larry, >It has been my experience to not send money to German Archives when you >first send your request. Send all the information that you have to the >Archive where the records are that you are requesting and they will in turn >send you a bill for what you owe ( in Marks), if they find the information >you have requested. It then will be easier for you to get the correct amount >of money to send to them. > >Patsy, Researching Wolf, Schoeberlein, Lebender, Lehner from the >Gunzenhausen, Mittlefranken area in Bavaria and now Bayern. Larry Mastromatteo Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada
Date: 1999/09/27 17:42:57
From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
Hi Peter: At this point all I have is a name to go on, so I think it is pointless. >My cousin in NYC is researching RAUM from Wuerzburg. Would you like the >contact? > >Peter Poehls >p.poehls(a)sympatico.ca > Larry Mastromatteo Saskatoon, Saskatchewan Canada
Date: 1999/09/28 09:11:50
From: Juergen Seim <jseim(a)swin.de>
Larry,
I know it is a long shot, but I live 37 miles north-east of
Wuerzburg. I have just joined the list, so if you have ever mentioned the
name, I didn't get it. Maybe I could be of an help.
Juergen Seim
Muennerstadt, Bavaria, Lower Frankonia.
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Mastromatteo <insul(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net>
Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: List of names and area of research
>Hi Peter:
>
>At this point all I have is a name to go on, so I think it is pointless.
>
>
>
>>My cousin in NYC is researching RAUM from Wuerzburg. Would you like the
>>contact?
>>
>>Peter Poehls
>>p.poehls(a)sympatico.ca
>>
>
>Larry Mastromatteo
>Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
>Canada
>
>
>
Date: 1999/09/28 17:18:39
From: KKELS10S <KKELS10S(a)aol.com>
Dear Juergen, My ancestors came from areas around Wuerzburg. Do you live close to any of the following towns: Wiesentheid, Stammheim, Hochberg, Sommerach or Kleinrinder ? I am hoping to visit those areas and need information. Thank you, Karen in Cincinnati,Ohio
Date: 1999/09/28 17:31:26
From: Fred Rump <fredrump(a)home.com>
Because of a major hardware reconfiguration all services at genealogy.net will go down from Thu, Sep 30 until Mon, Oct 4. To avoid a mail burst when the system is up again, please do not contribute to the mailing list during that time. Wegen umfangreicher Hardwarearbeiten werden alle Dienste über genealogy.net in der Zeit von 30. Sep. bis 4. Okt. nicht erreichbar sein. Um eine Mailschwemme bei Wiederaufnahem am Montag zu vermeiden, moechte ich alle bitten, waehrend dieser Zeit keine Beitraege an die Mailingliste zu schicken. Fred(a)compu.com Beverly,NJ/Naples,FL (list owner)