Date: 1999/07/09 20:17:34
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
Hi, I'm off to Oklahoma and Missouri for a bit and probably won't monitor these pages until my return around the 22nd. Urgend stuff can be sent to wfrump(a)aol.com as I'll keep in touch there via the 800 line. So behave yourselves and don't bounce too many messages. It seems that lately there has been a flood of non-textual data (html and mime) stuff being posted and allof that never reaches the list but rather bouces tome. Last time I was gone for a a little over a week I had 990 messages when I got back.So have mercy on me and don't do that again. Fred 26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or 4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or somewhere on the road but connected to fred(a)compu.com
Date: 1999/07/09 20:41:13
From: Warren and Vera Distler <warren(a)evansville.net>
Hi everyone! I'm new to this list, but have been able to track my family back to the 1500's in Franken (Unterleinleiter to be exact). I'm trying to fill in some of the holes from some oral history from my family. It was said that my ancestor was a Captain of the Guard for an area monarch or royal individual. I beleieve that my family may have been living in Bamberg at the time. Would anyone have any information on the military or para-military units of this particualr time period and where to access this information? Thanks for listening....
Date: 1999/07/12 07:45:24
From: Gatteb34 <Gatteb34(a)aol.com>
Looking for ancestors of John Peter (or Peter John) BAUMGART, b. 23 March 1810, Rothenrain (Bavaria) Germany; m. Anna Helflich (or Reuss); issue born in Rothenrain: John Michael, b. 1829; John Donard, b. 1830; Lena, b. 1832; Joseph, b. 1834; Margaret, b. 1837; Stephen, b. 1842. Family emigrated to America ca.1849-1850, and settled in Indiana, USA. It appears that there were two Rothenrains in Bavaria. This family seems to have been from the village that no longer exists -- in the province of Unterfranken (Lower Franconia), where the Wildflecken Military Training Area is now located. It is 3 km from Oberbach. Would like to hear from anyone doing research on this family. Are Catholic church records available in any form for this area? (They have not been microfilmed by LDS.) Any idea where descendants and other residents living in the town may have relocated when the training center was established in 1938? Were residents relocated in nearby villages? Any ideas welcome. Thank you, in advance. Claire
Date: 1999/07/12 09:00:16
From: Armin Wolfermann <aw(a)vis.de>
At 01:44 12.07.99 EDT, you wrote: >It appears that there were two Rothenrains in Bavaria. This family seems to >have been from the village that no longer exists -- in the province of >Unterfranken (Lower Franconia), where the Wildflecken Military Training Area >is now located. It is 3 km from Oberbach. You will find informations on all of these villages at this site (in german): http://www.rhoenline.de/dammersfeld/ >Any idea where descendants and other residents living in the town may have >relocated when the training center was established in 1938? Were residents >relocated in nearby villages? Any ideas welcome. The text states that most of them stayed in the area of Bad Brückenau and some left to Offenbach (Hessen). Hope that helps, Armin
Date: 1999/07/12 14:42:14
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
On the subject of Catholic records being microfulmed...according to the archivist in Wurzbach, they will do their own microfilming, and you will have to go there to use them. "we don't want our people being baptized Moor-Mon" JimA Gatteb34(a)aol.com wrote: > Looking for ancestors of John Peter (or Peter John) BAUMGART, b. 23 March > 1810, Rothenrain (Bavaria) Germany; m. Anna Helflich (or Reuss); issue born > in Rothenrain: John Michael, b. 1829; John Donard, b. 1830; Lena, b. 1832; > Joseph, b. 1834; Margaret, b. 1837; Stephen, b. 1842. Family emigrated to > America ca.1849-1850, and settled in Indiana, USA. > > It appears that there were two Rothenrains in Bavaria. This family seems to > have been from the village that no longer exists -- in the province of > Unterfranken (Lower Franconia), where the Wildflecken Military Training Area > is now located. It is 3 km from Oberbach. > > Would like to hear from anyone doing research on this family. Are Catholic > church records available in any form for this area? (They have not been > microfilmed by LDS.) > > Any idea where descendants and other residents living in the town may have > relocated when the training center was established in 1938? Were residents > relocated in nearby villages? Any ideas welcome. > > Thank you, in advance. > Claire
Date: 1999/07/12 14:43:23
From: Gatteb34 <Gatteb34(a)aol.com>
Yesterday I posted the message below. New information (from a respondee) has been added below the message. ------------- Looking for ancestors of John Peter (or Peter John) BAUMGART, b. 23 March 1810, Rothenrain (Bavaria) Germany; m. Anna Helflich (or Reuss); issue born in Rothenrain: John Michael, b. 1829; John Donard, b. 1830; Lena, b. 1832; Joseph, b. 1834; Margaret, b. 1837; Stephen, b. 1842. Family emigrated to America ca.1849-1850, and settled in Indiana, USA. It appears that there were two Rothenrains in Bavaria. This family seems to have been from the village that no longer exists -- in the province of Unterfranken (Lower Franconia), where the Wildflecken Military Training Area is now located. It is 3 km from Oberbach. Would like to hear from anyone doing research on this family. Are Catholic church records available in any form for this area? (They have not been microfilmed by LDS.) Any idea where descendants and other residents living in the town may have relocated when the training center was established in 1938? Were residents relocated in nearby villages? Any ideas welcome. Thank you, in advance. Claire ---------- When the town was cleared to make way for Wildflecken, it appears that families moved to the nearby area of Bad Brückenau and others left to Offenbach (Hessen). Many of the descendants are now in Evansville, IN.
Date: 1999/07/12 14:45:32
From: Gatteb34 <Gatteb34(a)aol.com>
Thanks for the information. claire
Date: 1999/07/12 14:46:32
From: Gatteb34 <Gatteb34(a)aol.com>
THANKS so much for the information on Rothenrain. Claire
Date: 1999/07/12 18:16:21
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Hi,is there somebody also researching Limpert or Freibott family links? Also Denner and Federlein would be interesting for me!
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Date: 1999/07/12 19:22:13
From: Warren and Vera Distler <warren(a)evansville.net>
Dear Claire: As you can see by my e-mail address, I am in Evansville, IN and will be more that happy to find your family history. It's a good one! I am personal friends with George Helfrich son of James Helfrich (Helfrich Realty and Insuarance). All your relations were Evansville West Siders and belonged to St. Boniface Catholic Church. They hae excellent records! More later. Gatteb34(a)aol.com wrote: > Yesterday I posted the message below. New information (from a respondee) has > been added below the message. > ------------- > > Looking for ancestors of John Peter (or Peter John) BAUMGART, b. 23 March > 1810, Rothenrain (Bavaria) Germany; m. Anna Helflich (or Reuss); issue born > in Rothenrain: John Michael, b. 1829; John Donard, b. 1830; Lena, b. 1832; > Joseph, b. 1834; Margaret, b. 1837; Stephen, b. 1842. Family emigrated to > America ca.1849-1850, and settled in Indiana, USA. > > It appears that there were two Rothenrains in Bavaria. This family seems to > have been from the village that no longer exists -- in the province of > Unterfranken (Lower Franconia), where the Wildflecken Military Training Area > is now located. It is 3 km from Oberbach. > > Would like to hear from anyone doing research on this family. Are Catholic > church records available in any form for this area? (They have not been > microfilmed by LDS.) > > Any idea where descendants and other residents living in the town may have > relocated when the training center was established in 1938? Were residents > relocated in nearby villages? Any ideas welcome. > > Thank you, in advance. > Claire > ---------- > When the town was cleared to make way for Wildflecken, it appears that > families moved to the nearby area of Bad Brückenau and others left to > Offenbach (Hessen). Many of the descendants are now in Evansville, IN.
Date: 1999/07/12 21:01:39
From: Rujan2000 <Rujan2000(a)aol.com>
First posting to this list: I would like to hear from anyone with information about the HAUCK family from Breitenau, Feuchtwangen, Mittlefranken (Bavaria) Germany. Johann Zacharia HAUCK, b. 22 JAN 1802, (Bavaria) Germany; married about 1825 in the area of Dorfgutingen, Breitenau, Ungetsheim Sperbersbach, Gehrenberg, Feuchtwangen or Oberampfrach in Bavaria, to Margaret Barbara RODE/ROTH. She was b. 14 MAR 1804 in Ungetsheim. They emigrated to Rock Island County Illinois in 1846 with three daughters. One daughter claimed Breitenau as her homeland. Would there be any relatives of these people left in this area? I would like to know if anyone has been able to find records for those areas that are mentioned above. The LDS has done no filming in this area for Protestant churches but there are records according to my local Family History Center. If any one has had luck let me know. Replies can be made on line or privately. Ruth Thompson rujan2000(a)aol.com
Date: 1999/07/12 21:06:44
From: Rujan2000 <Rujan2000(a)aol.com>
Would anyone have information about Ungetsheim and the locality of the Lutheran church records for that area? Ruth Thompson rujan2000(a)aol.com
Date: 1999/07/12 21:13:12
From: taylorsr <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
In case there are new people to this list, I thought I would throw my name and town out there again. I am looking for any Schonder family in Germany, specificially from Bischofsheim. Thanks, Ruth http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hills/5727 ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!
Date: 1999/07/13 00:50:19
From: Gatteb34 <Gatteb34(a)aol.com>
Warren, Please do not go out of your way for the Evansville records. My husband's family is from there, as you pointed out, and I have access to those records. And, as I said, we have a book about the family that traces the line back to the person who came to Indiana from Germany. I am mainly looking for the records IN GERMANY, including church records and any HISTORY record about ROTHENRAIN. If you happen to know of anything about the history of ROTHENRAIN in Germany, I would appreciate hearing about it. And I would like to know the legal description of the land that originally belonged to the Baumgarts (Section, Township, Range) if you know it. Many thanks, again, for your willingness to help. Claire
Date: 1999/07/13 03:28:57
From: Patsy J Sawyer <buttons(a)whidbey.net>
Ruth, I have ancestors that came from small villages in Mittlefranken, near Gunzenhausen and LDS has not filmed in this area of Lutheran Church records. I went to Germany and acttually visited the Lutheran Churches in this area for early records 1600 to 1800. ( can also write) I have written to the Archives in Nurenberg and got wonderful information from them. There are some secondary records on film at LDS. I don't know why LDS has not filmed the Church records that are held in Nurenberg Archives. I found some of Lutheran Churches in this area will not let anyone take copies of their records, you can only transcribe the record. Surnames I am researching Schoeberlein, Wolf, Labender, Bierlein. Patsy buttons(a)whidbey.net -----Original Message----- From: Rujan2000(a)aol.com <Rujan2000(a)aol.com> To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 11:55 AM Subject: HAUCK- Breitenau >First posting to this list: >I would like to hear from anyone with information about the HAUCK family from >Breitenau, Feuchtwangen, Mittlefranken (Bavaria) Germany. > >Johann Zacharia HAUCK, b. 22 JAN 1802, (Bavaria) Germany; married about 1825 >in the area of Dorfgutingen, Breitenau, Ungetsheim Sperbersbach, Gehrenberg, >Feuchtwangen or Oberampfrach in Bavaria, to Margaret Barbara RODE/ROTH. She >was b. 14 MAR 1804 in Ungetsheim. They emigrated to Rock Island County >Illinois in 1846 with three daughters. One daughter claimed Breitenau as her >homeland. Would there be any relatives of these people left in this area? > >I would like to know if anyone has been able to find records for those areas >that are mentioned above. The LDS has done no filming in this area for >Protestant churches but there are records according to my local Family >History Center. If any one has had luck let me know. >Replies can be made on line or privately. Ruth Thompson rujan2000(a)aol.com >
Date: 1999/07/13 03:51:04
From: Ruth & Steve <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
Hi Patsy, I am looking for St. Georg church in Bischofsheim. I know some families that go to that church and have been told that finally their church records are in Würzburg I think and not Nuremberg unless I am mistaken being filmed as we type. I have been waiting for an answer since September 1996 I also wrote in Feb 99 to archives in Würzburg and still haven't heard a reply yet. I think my cousins must think I have dropped my work since I originally thought I would have a finished product to them by end of 1997. Hope I hear soon. All the Schonder's in the US are waiting for my info from Germany so we can connect our families. This hobby sure does take patience :-) Ruth Schonder Taylor http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hills/5727
Date: 1999/07/13 05:19:08
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
I was in Wurzburg 2 years ago. The larger parishes ARE being filmed. Third try. still hadn't gotten it right. Still, no LDS Ruth & Steve wrote: > Hi Patsy, > I am looking for St. Georg church in Bischofsheim. > I know some families that go to that church and have been told that finally > their church records are in Würzburg I think and not Nuremberg unless I am > mistaken being filmed as we type. I have been waiting for an answer since > September 1996 > I also wrote in Feb 99 to archives in Würzburg and still haven't heard a reply > yet. I think my cousins must think I have dropped my work since I originally > thought I would have a finished product to them by end of 1997. > Hope I hear soon. All the Schonder's in the US are waiting for my info from > Germany so we can connect our families. > This hobby sure does take patience :-) > > Ruth Schonder Taylor > http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hills/5727
Date: 1999/07/14 11:56:47
From: Karl Federschmidt <karl(a)feder.wupper.de>
Hi Ruth, in my family-tree there is one Anna Sophia (or: Anna Dorothea??) HAUCK, who married Johann Caspar FEDERSCHMIDT in 1746 in Altentruedingen (a place close to Gunzenhausen). The had two children. Anna died presumably in 1753 Any connections?? Karl -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Rujan2000(a)aol.com <Rujan2000(a)aol.com> An: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Datum: Montag, 12. Juli 1999 21:12 Betreff: HAUCK- Breitenau >First posting to this list: >I would like to hear from anyone with information about the HAUCK family from >Breitenau, Feuchtwangen, Mittlefranken (Bavaria) Germany. > >Johann Zacharia HAUCK, b. 22 JAN 1802, (Bavaria) Germany; married about 1825 >in the area of Dorfgutingen, Breitenau, Ungetsheim Sperbersbach, Gehrenberg, >Feuchtwangen or Oberampfrach in Bavaria, to Margaret Barbara RODE/ROTH. She >was b. 14 MAR 1804 in Ungetsheim. They emigrated to Rock Island County >Illinois in 1846 with three daughters. One daughter claimed Breitenau as her >homeland. Would there be any relatives of these people left in this area? > >I would like to know if anyone has been able to find records for those areas >that are mentioned above. The LDS has done no filming in this area for >Protestant churches but there are records according to my local Family >History Center. If any one has had luck let me know. >Replies can be made on line or privately. Ruth Thompson rujan2000(a)aol.com > >
Date: 1999/07/14 19:06:27
From: Rujan2000 <Rujan2000(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 7/14/99 4:57:16 AM Central Daylight Time, karl(a)feder.wupper.de writes: << Anna Sophia (or: Anna Dorothea??) HAUCK, who married Johann Caspar FEDERSCHMIDT in 1746 in Altentruedingen (a place close to Gunzenhausen). The had two children. Anna died presumably in 1753 >> Since I just have the one ancestor so far that I know from Bavaria, I do not know if there are any Anna Dorthea in the line. The name Anna and Dorothy have not been used in the naming pattern since their US arrival in 1846. Thanks for the input, but sorry we can't have a connection. Ruth
Date: 1999/07/19 01:54:14
From: W. Fred Rump <fred(a)k2nesoft.com>
On 9 Jul 99, at 14:08, W. Fred Rump wrote about [genstaff-l] I'm out'a here : I'm back in NJ with 1007 new messages awaiting me. Fred 26 Warren St. Beverly, NJ 08010 or 4788 Corian Court, Naples, FL 34114 or somewhere on the road but connected to fred(a)compu.com
Date: 1999/07/22 22:37:33
From: KeithPapke <KeithPapke(a)aol.com>
GEORGE ADAM KRIPPNER (born May, 1842 in BAVARIA). Married ELIZABETH M. KISPERT (born October 8, 1840 in BAVARIA). They emigrated through Bremen to Baltimore on ship Baltimore in August 1872 with children Margaret (9), Georg (6), Johann (4), Eva (2), and Adolph (1). Settled in Steele County, MINNESOTA. I have detailed records of the family in Minnesota, but nothing on their home in Bavaria. Need information on their hometown in Bavaria or locations where many Krippner's or Kispert's lived. Thank you. Keith Papke Reno, NV
Date: 1999/07/31 00:23:35
From: Talia + Axel Macht <talax(a)elogica.com.br>
A while ago I sent this message to this list. But there was just little feedback. Maybe now there are new listmembers who can help me find HERING, MACHT, RAITHEL and SAAR, allmost all from Oberfranken. I'd really be very gratefull for any information! Axel Macht talax(a)elogica.com.br -----Mensagem original----- De: Talia + Axel Macht <talax(a)elogica.com.br> Para: franken-l(a)genealogy.net <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Data: Montag, 28. September 1998 15:58 Assunto: HERING; MACHT; RAITHEL; SAAR >Dear friends, > >I'm looking for someone who is searching the surnames HERING, MACHT, >RAITHEL and SAAR, all in the area of Oberfranken. > >My oldest data are: > >Johann Georg Hering * 28.10.1823 Kirchenlamitz >Andreas Raithel *14.02.1849 Oberkotzau >Wolfgang Macht * 29.08.58 Höchstadt (I guess this is not Oberfranken, but >Mittelfranken? The son of Wolfgang Macht, Christof Macht * 19.12.1884 was >born in Hof/Saale, Oberfranken ) >Adam Saar *19.06.1800 Baumersreuth > >Information and data exchange welcome! > >Axel Macht >talax(a)elogica.com.br >