Date: 1999/04/04 00:19:51
From: Bill Allen <allen(a)nconnect.net>
I am trying to identify the parents and German birthplaces of my g-g-gparents, Friedrich KLOEPPEL and Margaretha Barbara LENZ who immigrated to Cincinnati separately around 1850 and were married at St. Matthaeus Evang. Lutheran Church in Cincinnati, 16 Apr 1854. I have done a surname frequency study based on the internet German phonebook site records, and the town with the greatest frequency of LENZ surnames in Oberfranken seems to be 95131 Schwarzenbach a Wald (Schwarzenbach am Wald). I can't find any church records for this town in the LDS collection? As a matter of fact, I can't find this town listed in LDS records?? I have located the town on the map, and it is about 5000 population, so I can't understand why LDS doesn't recognize it? Any suggestions appreciated. Does anyone know of a amateur or professional researcher in or near this town? Does anyone have an e-mail address or postal address for the Evang. Kirche in Schwarzenbach a Wald? I have tried to search the Cincinnati Church's records for info such as a Family Register, but I have found nothing. I don't know whether either of them were members when they were married there; however, they were devout Lutherans after they moved to Jennings Tsp., Putnam Co, OH abt 1856. >From Delphos OH Lutheran church records, I know that Margaretha Barbara LENZ was b. 21 Mar 1827 or 1825 in OBERFRANKEN (upper Franconia), village/town not identified nor known. Possibilities for her father include: 1. Michael Lenz, listed in 1849/50, 1850/51, & 1853 Cincinnati city directories, dry goods, W 5th St (between Race & Elm) 2. Mathias Lenz, 1855 Cincinnati city directory, & nat. record V. 31, p194 3. Leopold Lenz, 1856 Cincinnati city directory & 1860 census, Ward 10 4. Friedrich Lenz, 61, with dau's Margaretha, 24, and Elizabeth, 21, arrived in Baltimore from Gellershausen, DEU, 1 June 1850. I haven't located a Gellerhausen in Oberfranken? Friedrich Kloeppel, b. 27 Jun 1823 (per Delphos OH Lutheran church records), Schwarzburg-Sonderhausen (village not known), DEU. Researching this area in DEU, I have found a Johann Friedrich Klöppel, b. 27 Mar 1822, in Gudersleben (a small village a few kilometers south of Sonderhausen), who immigrated to America in 1851. I believe this is my ancestor, but I do not know why the dates do not match. From the German records, it appears that the father of this Johann Friedrich Klöppel, Johann Heinrich Klöppel (b. 3 Jul 1800) came to America in 1852 with his second wife, Friederike Dorothea Penzler (b. 20 Jan 1828). Any assistance or suggestions would be appreciated. Nancy Bank Allen West Bend, WI allen(a)nconnect.net
Date: 1999/04/05 19:56:41
From: Karl Federschmidt <karl(a)feder.wupper.de>
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Bill Allen <allen(a)nconnect.net> ------------------- Hi Nancy > Does anyone have an e-mail address or >postal address for the Evang. Kirche in Schwarzenbach a Wald? postal address: Evangelisches Pfarramt Schwarzenbach/Wald Marktplatz 8 95131 Schwarzenbach a. Wald Tel.: +49-9289-285 good luck! karl(a)feder.wupper.de Karl Federschmidt Am Deckershäuschen 67 42111 Wuppertal
Date: 1999/04/06 15:35:29
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Hi, all members on the list! I am interested in research about my Franconian ancestors. You find infos about my research here: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/1.html Here you can find a database about several Franconian families. My question: Is it better to write here in English or German? Then, is there somebody having already done some research for Freibotts, Limperts, Denners, Federleins.... Hope to get some kind of feedback! Ciao from me in Rome! Bernd Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/04/06 16:47:10
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
It's best to not even elude to speaking german unless you want to spend the rest of your time doing free translations for us dolts that can't speak it at all! <big grin> ...but thanks for the offer...anouts my Link family...and the Müllers... JimA Bernd Freibott wrote: > My question: Is it better to write here in English or German? > Bernd >
Date: 1999/04/06 17:15:51
From: John Helmut Merz <hessian(a)cgocable.net>
Hallo, Bernd, ich wuerde an Ihrer Stelle erst einmal mit Deutsch anfangen, um uns Deutschen im Ausland zu zeigen dass wir unsere Muttersprache nicht verlernt haben, und dann ins Englische uebersetzen. Jim Amaral, being a subscriber to the Franken-list, must have some interest in the German language, and what better way is there to learn a little more, I do hope he owns at least a good dictionary, and perhaps a German Road-Atlas to find his way around. Nothing better to widen one's horizon, to learn something new. Cheers, John (Johannes) Merz :-) Hamilton, am Ontario See in Kanada. Jim Amaral wrote: > > It's best to not even elude to speaking german unless you want to spend the > rest of your time doing free translations for us dolts that can't speak it > at all! <big grin> > ...but thanks for the offer...anouts my Link family...and the Müllers... > > JimA > > Bernd Freibott wrote: > > > My question: Is it better to write here in English or German? > > Bernd > >
Date: 1999/04/06 17:25:08
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Hi, for all those interested: Here a website with Franconian family data. It will be updated regularily. For all those interested, you should become member of the GFF, a society dedicated to genealogical research in Franconia. Ciao for now,... and here the link: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/1.html Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/04/06 17:31:22
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Hallo Johannes, vielen Dank fuer Dein Mail! Ich werde gerne in Zukunft eher in Deutsch schreiben, als mich in Englisch abzumuehen! Schoen Gruesse nach Canada! Bernd, Rome/Italy Hallo, Bernd, ich wuerde an Ihrer Stelle erst einmal mit Deutsch anfangen, um uns Deutschen im Ausland zu zeigen dass wir unsere Muttersprache nicht verlernt haben, und dann ins Englische uebersetzen. Jim Amaral, being a subscriber to the Franken-list, must have some interest in the German language, and what better way is there to learn a little more, I do hope he owns at least a good dictionary, and perhaps a German Road-Atlas to find his way around. Nothing better to widen one's horizon, to learn something new. Cheers, John (Johannes) Merz :-) Hamilton, am Ontario See in Kanada. Jim Amaral wrote: > > It's best to not even elude to speaking german unless you want to spend the > rest of your time doing free translations for us dolts that can't speak it > at all! <big grin> > ...but thanks for the offer...anouts my Link family...and the Müllers... > > JimA > > Bernd Freibott wrote: > > > My question: Is it better to write here in English or German? > > Bernd > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/04/06 18:05:22
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
Been there (been to Germany 4 times), done that (even bought the big Shell Atlas w/CD-Rom) Every visit was wonderful, and the fact I don't speak German didn't even slow us down. The people did more than compensate for my lack in language skills! Bernd Freibott wrote: Jim Amaral, being a subscriber to the Franken-list, must have some > interest in the German language, and what better way is there to learn > a little more, I do hope he owns at least a good dictionary, and > perhaps a German Road-Atlas to find his way around. > > Jim Amaral wrote: > > > > It's best to not even elude to speaking german unless you want to > spend the > > rest of your time doing free translations for us dolts that can't > speak it > > at all! <big grin> > > ...but thanks for the offer...anouts my Link family...and the > Müllers... > > > > JimA > > > > Bernd Freibott wrote: > > > > > My question: Is it better to write here in English or German? > > > Bernd > > > > >
Date: 1999/04/06 18:20:32
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Hi, I am glad that you had sucha nice experience in Germany!!!! In fact, many people come to Germany with some prejudice (because of the most recent history in this century), and so I am glad to hear when people come and returen with positive experiences! You should visit Franken! It is a wonderful region, with many many beautiful (architecture and nature) things to see. It's beauty and diversity is unique, and you will find there a very warm welcome. If you want hints for your next trip to Germany, let me know! ciao Bernd Been there (been to Germany 4 times), done that (even bought the big Shell Atlas w/CD-Rom) Every visit was wonderful, and the fact I don't speak German didn't even slow us down. The people did more than compensate for my lack in language skills! Bernd Freibott wrote: Jim Amaral, being a subscriber to the Franken-list, must have some > interest in the German language, and what better way is there to learn > a little more, I do hope he owns at least a good dictionary, and > perhaps a German Road-Atlas to find his way around. > > Jim Amaral wrote: > > > > It's best to not even elude to speaking german unless you want to > spend the > > rest of your time doing free translations for us dolts that can't > speak it > > at all! <big grin> > > ...but thanks for the offer...anouts my Link family...and the > Müllers... > > > > JimA > > > > Bernd Freibott wrote: > > > > > My question: Is it better to write here in English or German? > > > Bernd > > > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/04/06 19:28:05
From: taylorsr <taylorsr(a)snip.net>
Since we are on the subject... My Schonder family is from Bischofsheim, in fact all Schonder's in the US have ties to the same town. The end of April, my brother is going on a medical trip for "Project Open Hearts" http://www.poh.org and on his trip back he has a 1 day layover in Frankfurt. He would like to see Bischofsheim but had no idea how to get there since he won't have a car. This is a once in a lifetime chance for him to see the town our ancestors were from. Do you know the best way for him to get there? or how far it will be from Frankfurt? My brother Lou Schonder would love it if I was able to tell him how to see the town and St. Georg Church. Many thanks, Ruth (Schonder) Taylor
Date: 1999/04/06 19:37:47
From: Georg Paulus <georg.paulus(a)pfaffenhofen.de>
Da hört man wochenlang nichts von der Franken-Liste, und dann kommt dieser ganze Small-Talk-Schrott daher. Was soll denn das? Wenn die Herrschaften sich über das schöne Wetter oder ihre Vorlieben für irgendwelche Landschaften auslassen wollen, dann sollen sie dies doch bitte über eine "Ach heute war aber wieder schönes Wetter-Newsgroup" tun und nicht über eine Genealogie-Liste. Wenn das so weiter geht, steige ich aus! Georg Paulus
Date: 1999/04/06 20:02:21
From: John Helmut Merz <hessian(a)cgocable.net>
Georg Paulus wrote: > > Da hört man wochenlang nichts von der Franken-Liste, und dann kommt > dieser ganze Small-Talk-Schrott daher. Was soll denn das? Wenn die > Herrschaften sich über das schöne Wetter oder ihre Vorlieben für > irgendwelche Landschaften auslassen wollen, dann sollen sie dies doch bitte > über eine "Ach heute war aber wieder schönes Wetter-Newsgroup" tun und > nicht über eine Genealogie-Liste. > > Wenn das so weiter geht, steige ich aus! > > Georg Paulus -------------------------------- Don't forget your parachute, you high-flying arrogant whatever, you could not be a "Franken" at all, they behave much better. John, the Hessian.
Date: 1999/04/06 20:31:31
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
For many of us, this list seemed dead. But if a little action offended Georg, sorry 'bout that! To John: You're right, this isn't the Franken Attitude I met & loved. for those who feel left out, a rough translation is: "There one hears nothing for weeks of the Franconia list, and then this whole Small talc scrap iron comes along. What is that? If the rule wants to omit itself over the beautiful weather or their preferences for any landscapes, then they are to do this nevertheless please over one " oh today were however again beautiful weather newsgroup " and not over a genealogy list. If so continues to go, steige I out! " sorry if there are subtleties the mechanical translator missed, but the message seems clear. (courtesy of Systranet translation online<http://www.systranet.com/translate.html>) John Helmut Merz wrote: > Georg Paulus wrote: > > > > Da hört man wochenlang nichts von der Franken-Liste, und dann kommt > > dieser ganze Small-Talk-Schrott daher. Was soll denn das? Wenn die > > Herrschaften sich über das schöne Wetter oder ihre Vorlieben für > > irgendwelche Landschaften auslassen wollen, dann sollen sie dies doch bitte > > über eine "Ach heute war aber wieder schönes Wetter-Newsgroup" tun und > > nicht über eine Genealogie-Liste. > > > > Wenn das so weiter geht, steige ich aus! > > > > Georg Paulus > -------------------------------- > Don't forget your parachute, you high-flying arrogant whatever, > you could not be a "Franken" at all, they behave much better. > John, the Hessian.
Date: 1999/04/06 20:38:40
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
Looks like there are maybe 3 in Bavaria. go to Mapquest, <http://www.mapquest.com> enter the town, and country. you can even print the map, zoom in, etc. This is part of what I did to prepare for my last trip! However, it might make sense to rent a car if he has only 1 day. Waiting in a train station isn't the best use of his time. Compacts are inexpensive, and 2 of the choices look to be just off the A7 autobaun. Good Luck! taylorsr(a)snip.net wrote: > Since we are on the subject... > My Schonder family is from Bischofsheim, in fact > all Schonder's in the US have ties to the same town. > > The end of April, my brother is going on a medical > trip for "Project Open Hearts" http://www.poh.org > and on his trip back he has a 1 day layover in > Frankfurt. He would like to see Bischofsheim but > had no idea how to get there since he won't have a car. > This is a once in a lifetime chance for him to > see the town our ancestors were from. > Do you know the best way for him to get there? or > how far it will be from Frankfurt? > > My brother Lou Schonder would love it if I was able to > tell him how to see the town and St. Georg Church. > Many thanks, > Ruth (Schonder) Taylor
Date: 1999/04/06 20:42:47
From: Jim Amaral <jamaral(a)columbus.rr.com>
Forgot to mention, surprised about Bischofsheim, sice it is only about 30-40 km fro the village of Shondra. (near Modlos, so. of Bad Brückenau) taylorsr(a)snip.net wrote: > Since we are on the subject... > My Schonder family is from Bischofsheim, in fact > all Schonder's in the US have ties to the same town. > >
Date: 1999/04/07 03:49:32
From: Bill Allen <allen(a)nconnect.net>
At 07:55 PM 05-04-99 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Nancy > >postal address: > >Evangelisches Pfarramt Schwarzenbach/Wald >Marktplatz 8 >95131 Schwarzenbach a. Wald > >Tel.: +49-9289-285 > >good luck! > >karl(a)feder.wupper.de >Karl Federschmidt >Am Deckershäuschen 67 >42111 Wuppertal Karl, Thank you for your assistance. I will advise you if my contact with the Pfarr is successful. Nancy Bank Allen allen(a)nconnect.net West Bend, WI
Date: 1999/04/07 04:05:48
From: LTBoehmke <LTBoehmke(a)aol.com>
Does anyone know of a special group for Oberfranken? LaVerne
Date: 1999/04/07 16:09:59
From: Flanagan-Hyde <fhyde(a)home.com>
Hello, all. I'm new to this mailing list, and I'm delighted to have found it. I am seeking information on my Bader ancestors. Here's what I know. My great-grandfather was John Polycarp Bader, and we believe he was from Sternberg. His parents were Michael Bader and Mary Kemple. They were married about 1848. John may have had a sister, Mrs. Augusta Knobling, in Großeibstadt bei Königshofen. According to family tradition, the siblings who immigrated to America were: John Polycarp Bader, born 25 Jan 1855 in Bavaria, died 17 Dec 1918, married Ellen Conrey. He became an American citizen in Holmesville, Ohio in 1879. His daughter, Dora Beatrice Bader Flanagan, is my grandmother. Mary Bader, (half-sister of John), married John Gadamer. Clara Bader, married Peter Meltreter. Michael Bader (half-brother of John), born 14 Feb 1847, died 5 Nov 1918, married Regina Gill from Breitensee. Margaret Bader, born 26 Nov 1848, died 21 July 1904, married Michael Schmidt. Any information or guidance would be most appreciated! Sharon Flanagan-Hyde, Scottsdale, Ariz.
Date: 1999/04/10 19:35:18
From: Talia + Axel Macht <talax(a)elogica.com.br>
Hr. Paulus, |
Date: 1999/04/13 17:04:58
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Dear George, it is a very natural thing that -being on a distribution list- you are getting many things in which you are not at all interested, but maybe these contacts are important for others, and they keep alife such DLists. So, please, if you don't like it, cancel your subscription. If not, just delete what you don't like, but NEVER bother others with your Small-Talk-Schrott mails again, since YOUR mails are more Schrott than ours, since NOBODY wants your's. ciao Bernd Don't forget to check sometimes our Genealogy homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/1.html ------------------------------------------------------ Georg Paulus wrote: > > Da hört man wochenlang nichts von der Franken-Liste, und dann kommt > dieser ganze Small-Talk-Schrott daher. Was soll denn das? Wenn die > Herrschaften sich über das schöne Wetter oder ihre Vorlieben für > irgendwelche Landschaften auslassen wollen, dann sollen sie dies doch bitte > über eine "Ach heute war aber wieder schönes Wetter-Newsgroup" tun und > nicht über eine Genealogie-Liste. > > Wenn das so weiter geht, steige ich aus! > > Georg Paulus -------------------------------- Don't forget your parachute, you high-flying arrogant whatever, you could not be a "Franken" at all, they behave much better. John, the Hessian. ------------------------------------------------------ Don't forget to check sometimes our Freibott homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/1.html ------------------------------------------------------ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/04/26 16:36:17
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Hi again, I joined this list some weeks ago, and I would like to see it revived, also as a list for talking about all possible and to exchange infos.... Here is my genealogical site: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/1.html I just was back to Germany, and soon, there will be much and new info. So drop in and stay in touch! Bernd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/04/26 17:05:18
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
Dem schliesse ich mich gerne an!! Bernd ------------------------------------------------------ Don't forget to check sometimes our Freibott homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/1.html ------------------------------------------------------ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Talia + Axel Macht" <talax(a)elogica.com.br> Reply-To: franken-l(a)genealogy.net To: <franken-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: Funkdisziplin Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:36:51 -0300 Hr. Paulus, gewöhnen sie sich erstmal Manieren an, bevor sie sich in eine mailing- Liste einschreiben. Wir können gerne auf Leute wie sie verzichten; also verwirklichen sie ihren Vorsatz, steigen sie aus der Liste aus, so schnell wie möglich, bitte! A.Macht ---------- > De: Georg Paulus <georg.paulus(a)pfaffenhofen.de> > Para: franken-l(a)genealogy.net > Assunto: Funkdisziplin > Data: Dienstag, 6. April 1999 14:31 > > Da hört man wochenlang nichts von der Franken-Liste, und dann kommt > dieser ganze Small-Talk-Schrott daher. Was soll denn das? Wenn die > Herrschaften sich über das schöne Wetter oder ihre Vorlieben für > irgendwelche Landschaften auslassen wollen, dann sollen sie dies doch bitte > über eine "Ach heute war aber wieder schönes Wetter-Newsgroup" tun und > nicht über eine Genealogie-Liste. > > Wenn das so weiter geht, steige ich aus! > > Georg Paulus > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/04/26 17:40:05
From: John Helmut Merz <hessian(a)cgocable.net>
Please no more subject lines with "Funkdisziplin, we had enough of that. Pick yourself something more suited to your message, like "Freibott" or "Freibott speaks", something which makes sense. Regards, John Bernd Freibott wrote: > > Hi again, I joined this list some weeks ago, and I would like to see
Date: 1999/04/27 15:31:42
From: Bernd Freibott <freibott(a)hotmail.com>
----Original Message Follows---- From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)hotmail.com To: freibott(a)hotmail.com Subject: failure notice Date: 27 Apr 1999 13:12:16 -0000 Hi. This is the qmail-send program at hotmail.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <FRANKEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>: 204.212.38.19 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 <FRANKEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>... User unknown Giving up on 204.212.38.19. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: <freibott(a)hotmail.com> Received: (qmail 68458 invoked by uid 0); 27 Apr 1999 13:11:48 -0000 Hallo, unter diesem Link: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/limpert.jpg ist eine Kopie zu finden, die aus einem Wappenverzeichnis entnommen wurde. Mich interessieren die Limpert, und Wappen und Herkunft passt genau! Nur weiss ich nicht, aus welchem Wappenverzeichnis diese Kopie gezogen wurde. Der Siebmacher ist es jedenfalls nicht. Wer kennt dieses Wappenbuch??? Die Kopie wurde uebrugens in der Uni Duesseldorf gemacht. Danke fuer jede Hilfe! Ciao aus Rom! Bernd ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: 1999/04/30 04:27:41
From: IVall2c <IVall2c(a)aol.com>
I am new to this list, and am looking for information about the vllage of Vorra, mittlefranken, Bavaria. This I believe to be the birthplace of my greatgrandmother, Margaretha GR:OTSCH (GROETSCH), her sister Barbara and brother Andreas. Margaretha b. 12 Feb 1828. The three came to Cleveland Ohio in 1857 Where the sisters married, in a doble wedding, Frederick J. HOFFMAN and Fred Condad MAYER. Andreas accompanied the women and is believed to have returned to Vorra after the wedding. The wedding was 12 July 1857. Any information on this village and/or this family would be appreciated. This is the Vorra East of Nurenburg to Hohenstadt and north on route ST2162 to Vorra. Thanks to all. Dick Hoffman(n) Boca Raton, FL, USA
Date: 1999/04/30 18:16:24
From: KKELS10S <KKELS10S(a)aol.com>
Dear List memebers, Hi- I'm new to this list. I'm looking for information and history on a town East of Wurzburg called WIESENTHEID. My GGGrandfather emigrated from their and I've been told by family in Wurzburg that our Ancestors (SEISSIGER) came to Wiesentheid from Vienna with the Von Schonborn Bishops and princes. Our ancestor was a hunter of deer for the main Von Schonborn castle in Wiesentheid. Does anyone know of this town or the catholic church in the town ? (After deer shooting the "kids" became merchants in Wiesentheid). Thanks for any help, Karen Seissiger Kelley