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2008/01/29 12:56:30 Linda [OL] Trimpe vs. gross Trimpe |
Datum | 2008/01/29 13:19:44 Arlen Brokopp Re: [OL] Trimpe vs. gross Trimpe |
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2008/01/28 18:46:37 Ykoiwa Re: [OL] reasons for emigration out of Oldenburg ca. 1850 |
Betreff | 2008/01/29 19:11:47 Carel Paradies Re: [OL] reasons for emigration out of Oldenburg ca. 1850 |
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2008/01/28 13:06:55 REPKINGRON [OL] Oldenburg Kolping Society |
Autor | 2008/01/24 22:13:02 Richard Metteer Re: [OL] New member - Derner family |
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Date: 2008/01/29 13:14:00
From: REPKINGRON <REPKINGRON(a)aol.com>
The main reasons for the migration during the 1840's were the famine and economic depression which struck across Europe. We always hear of the Irish potato famine, but little of the fact that the rest of Europe was also suffering from famine and unemployment. In the 1840's the local textile industry was unable to compete with English imports. Industrial and agricultural depression forced unemployed artisans, tenant farmers, and agricultural laborers to emigrate. >From 1844-47 food increased 50% in price. In addition Europe suffered an extremely bad economic period in the 1840's. The Industrial Revolution was getting under way. All of which led to widespread civil disturbance and, in 1848-49, revolution broke out in many parts of Europe. As Fred says avoiding conscription was not the major reason for leaving Oldenburg. My Great-grandfather left Oldenburg and arrived in Baltimore on the Ship Bessel on August 6, 1846. His draft notice was published a year later. Oldenburgische Unzeigen Sonnabend No 85 Den 17. Juli 1847. (Oldenburg Announcement Saturday Number 85 for July 17, 1847) A translation of the article: Official Notice is Hereby Given Official Proclamation Military Board The recalcitrant servicemen who are liable for military service are required to show up at the draft board. They are listed here: There are 71 names listed. Anton was number 28. "28. Repking, Anton geb. den 12, Novbr. 1825 zu Oythe, Loof. No 59" [28. Repking, Anton born on the 12th of November, 1825 in Oythe.] According to a drafting law passed on July 19, 1837, they must appear before 1 April 1848 in front of the draft board or be punished. Oldenburg, 1847, July 1 Grandduke of Oldenburg Military Board Jansen Behrmann Signed - The Greater Dukedom of Oldenburg He did not leave to avoid the draft, but to secure a better life than that of a Heurleuter inOldenburg. Ron Repking In a message dated 1/28/08 9:41:51 A.M. Central Standard Time, fredrump(a)gmail.com writes: Carel, for the most part I think the constant references to escaping the draft to be apocryphal especially when there was no draft to run from. In other areas and other times and especially in Prussia this holds more truth as being drafted could have meant 20 years or so in the army. Now THAT is something to run from. Oldenburg had a very small army, a regiment or so, and most members were volunteers. All this changed in more modern times when the Oldenburg military was basically integrated under Prussian command. Over the years of reading about all these draft evaders one has to become a bit sceptical about the real reasons for emigration as you infer. Perhaps the young men worried about the future 'possibility' of having to serve in the army and took the high road before that ever might happen regardless of the small chances of it actually happening. Such worries later turned into a full fledged reason for why did you leave the old country. Fred On Jan 28, 2008 5:23 AM, Carel Paradies <c.e.paradies(a)orange.nl> wrote: > Kay Derner-Brown wrote that her ancestor came to America in order not to be drafted in the army. JNM, NN and Marilyn wrote something similar. A very old aunt of mine told me that there was a story in the family that the first Paradies to come to Holland did so in 1853 as a deserter. > Are there more families with similar stories? > Could these stories have been introduced to hide the shame of leaving your country because of poverty or is there some truth in them? > Would there be sources in Oldenburg concerning deserters? > > Carel Paradies **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489