oldenburg-l - Nachricht 2008-01 00142

[Annette Sweetman <bubs(a)nc.rr.com>]

Hi Chris and Kathy
I don't have Hellmann in my ancestor list yet.  And I don't recall 
seeing any in the Visbek church book, but I tried only to focus on what 
I was looking for, so I may have missed one.  I plan to review the 
church record in a few months and I can recheck .
Annette

Steve Hellmann wrote:
> Chris
>
> >From your reseach of Visbek.  Did you see any Hellmann's.  If so do they fit
> into your family tree?
> Also, did you see any Hellmann's in Erlte book?
>
> Thanks
> Steve Hellmann of Edgewood, KY
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christopher Grote" <cgrote(a)rush.edu>
> To: "'Oldenburg-L'" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [OL] Olderburg during the Wars
>
>
> Hi Annette,
>
> I mis-spoke earlier, my Visbek book is actually about Erlte, a small farming
> community 10 miles outside of Visbek.  My Erlte relatives gave it to me; if
> you're interested I could try to find the publisher, but there's also a
> Erlte webpage that I think has the same info.
>
> Its amazing to me that a town of maybe 500 people would have their own
> history book, but the town's recorded history goes back to 800AD or so, so
> things accumulate!
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Annette Sweetman
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:17 AM
> To: Oldenburg-L
> Subject: Re: [OL] Olderburg during the Wars
>
> Chris
> I would love a copy of the visbek book... where did you obtain that one?
> Thanks
> Annette
>
> Christopher Grote wrote:
>   
> > Fred and others,
> >
> > Thank you for the interesting and informative replies.
> >
> > At home, I have books written on the history of Alfhausen (my
> >     
> grandmother's
>   
> > town) and Visbek (my grandfather's town), both written in German of
> >     
> course,
>   
> > which I do not speak.  One of these books, the one on Alfhausen I believe
> > (this being a bit northwest of Osnabruck), has a chapter on Jewish people
> >     
> in
>   
> > that area.  If this listserv allows, I could try to scan the chapter and
> > send it as an attachment, if someone here would have the interest and time
> > in doing a quick read through and telling the rest of us what it says.
> >
> > Chris
> > Chicag
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
> > [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of W. Fred Rump
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:47 AM
> > To: Oldenburg-L
> > Subject: Re: [OL] Olderburg during the Wars
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2008 8:02 AM, Paul Rowold <paulrowold(a)kpnplanet.nl> wrote:
> >
> >     
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > No one can deny that Oldenburg had a small jewish population which was
> > > vanished  in WWII without any rumour?
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >       
> > Has anybody denied that? Let me give a little history of their plight.
> > During the 18th century there were very few Jews in the Duchy of
> > Oldenburg. Those who lived there were not considered as citizens of
> > the communities they lived in. They had to pay for protection and for
> > the right too settle which limited their presence pretty much to the
> > city of Oldenburg, Varel and Jever. By 1822 there were 91 so called
> > Schutzjuden (protected Jews) who paid a fee for the privilege of doing
> > business in the duchy. These were the heads of household and together
> > with their families totalled 746 people or less then 1/2% of the
> > population. In 1827 the duke granted the Jews of his land religious
> > freedom and provided the function of a chief rabbi to oversea their
> > schools and religious observances. By 1854 nine synagogues existed in
> > Oldenburg. (Berne, Cloppenburg, Delmenhorst, Jever, Oldenburg,
> > Ovelgönne, Varel, Vechta and Wlideshausen). A thorough revision of the
> > rights of the Jews was published in 1858 to enable them to be full
> > partners in the citizenship of the country. These rules lasted until
> > 1927. After WWI the state subsidy for the Jewish community was
> > increased from 1500 to 4000 Reichsmark. 1932 brought an abrupt change
> > to all the laws which had been provided for the protection of the
> > Jews. The National Socialist state blamed the Jews for the WWI defeat
> > of Germany and enacted all manner of laws to force them out of the
> > country. Many left including the chief rabbi, Dr. Leo Trepp . Others
> > were 'resettled' or arrested and died in concentration camps. The Jews
> > of Oldenburg were mostly the businessmen who sold and traded goods in
> > the communities they lived in. The slow disappearance of the Jews was
> > not seen as an extermination attempt by the populace but mostly a
> > quiet move out of the country. There were no protests as nothing as
> > nefarious as what was actually happening behind the scenes was
> > believable - even though all the synagogues had been burned on
> > Krystallnacht this was just a bunch of ruffians doing evil deeds.
> > People tend not to question the actions of their governments too
> > severely as those are the people who are supposed to be smarter then
> > us and we put them in power. As such we all deserve the governments we
> > have.
> >
> > There are several synagogues in the Land Oldenburg today. Their
> > membership is still only a few hundred but no real record exists of
> > what may have happened to each and every family during those
> > horrendous years of the Nazi regime. It can only be hoped that most
> > emigrated before they were interned, for their own protection, as the
> > government claimed. Schutzhaft (protective custody) was the word used
> > to retain people without trial.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
> >
> >     
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