Date: 2007/01/31 20:04:09
From: Hartmut von Häfen <von.haefen-cux(a)gmx.de>
Hallo Walter, ja, das wäre schön. Gruß Hartmut -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oldenburg-l-bounces+cux-nordseebrise=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces+cux-nordseebrise=gmx.de(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Walter Fleischauer Gesendet: Montag, 29. Januar 2007 19:43 An: 'Oldenburg-L' Betreff: Re: [OL] Jever, Honorius Hering Moin Hartmut, soll ich Deine Jever betreffende Anfrage in unsere Jeverland Mailingliste weiterleiten? Gruss Walter, vom Jadebusen http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/ag-jeverland/ > Hallo Liste, > > um 1640 hat in Jever der Arzt Honorius Hering gelebt. Wer kann mir > Hinweise zu seiner Familie geben? > > Gruß > > Hartmut > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/01 00:09:54
From: Doug Westerhaus <dwesterhaus(a)everestkc.net>
I think the hint from Uwe G. POMMERENING is quite good. I will use it myself. Also - I recently received from my distant cousin, Floyd WINNER, Coldwater, Ohio (which is near Minster, Ohio)a book compiled by the Minster Ohio historical society that shares the drawings and diary of Liwat BOKE who came from Neuenkirchen to Cincinnati area in about 1820. Floyd and I are both descendants of WINNER-WESTERHAUS and TAUBKE-WESTERHAUS from Neuenkirchen/Voerden area of Oldenburg. That compilation was very helpful in explaining why so many from Neuenkirchen and surrounding communities found there way to Cincinnati. It was also a fascinating explanation of the lifestyle this really remarkable woman had as she and her husband pioneered as farmers 75 miles north of Cincinnati. The basic explanation squares with an earlier comment - that one or more early immigrants from Oldenburg came to Cincinnati (sailing down the Ohio river), found the area similar to the area they left, and "pitched" the area to family and friends. Should anyone have interest in the book from Minster Ohio Historical Society ($25) I can ask Floyd for ordering information. Regards, Doug Westerhaus
Date: 2007/02/01 00:33:41
From: JWR184 <JWR184(a)aol.com>
If you think there are a lot of Oldenberg Germans in the Cincinnati area you should go north to Mercer County. A few years ago nearly everyone was from Oldenberg and Catholic. Even the towns have German names. And beautiful churches.Get a phone book. Wow. I have nearly every name in my tree. Jim Rettig Cincinnati > It seems that word-of-mouth, and then > having relatives/friends there, became the driving forces. Both Cincinnati > and Oldenberg seem to be predominantly Catholic and socially conservative as > a result of this emigration. >
Date: 2007/02/01 00:36:49
From: Bernie Punte <berniepunte(a)yahoo.com>
I have Krogmann relatives in Hamilton Ohio, very close to Cincinnati. My great-great-grandfathers' family emigrated from Oldenberg in 1868. Most of the family stayed in Baltimore, but one brother and his family went directly to Hamilton, near Cincinnati. There were already Krogmann relatives living in that area of Ohio. One brother lived with the rest of the family in Baltimore for several years and later moved to the Cincinnati area. Bernie Punte -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of David Otto Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:40 AM To: 'Oldenburg-L' Subject: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area Does anyone know why so many German immigrants settled in the Cincinnati Ohio area? I have noticed that there were quite a few who came to Portsmouth Ohio too (both cities are on the Ohio River and are both port cities). Thanks, David Otto Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/01 00:49:39
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
Hello Marilyn, I have not paid the extra money for Ancestry.com but there are indeed some Stiers listed on there that were my grandmother's (Iva Lucille Stiers) 4 brothers. The contact listed was a Robert Jacob Stiers, but he has neither replied to my email nor has he returned my recent telephone call. It's kind of funny because I found that he posted a list of some other Stiers on a 2nd ancestry-type website, but I don't think that 2nd set is in the same lineage as the other (1st set) Stiers! That is curious that you are in Wisconsin - that is where my paternal grandfather settled in the 1840s. He fought in the US Civil War for a Volunteer Regiment that was primarily made up of other Germans from that area. He moved around a little, but the town we have for him is Appleton. Another curiosity perhaps, is that my mother's sister and my sister sibling are both named Marilyn Marjorie *Last name*. Lastly, I might have been the original poster looking fir the Holthinrichs on Ancestry.com but nothing ever came of that. I'll look again, just to make sure. With warmest personal regards, David Otto -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of mstulken(a)wi.net Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:11 PM To: Oldenburg-L Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area David, do you have access to Ancestry.com? I found oodles of Stiers there, though it's possible none of them is yours. Also, have you seen the Holthinrichs query to the Oldenburg list back in 2000/2001? I found that with a Google search for "Holthinrichs." And I found a few in Ohio and Kentucky on Ancestry.com. Let me now what you've already done and if I can look for anything here for you. Marilyn in Wisconsin
Date: 2007/02/01 00:58:36
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
Hallo Uwe, I do not think that this is a true statement about Americans and when/why we capitalize names. These are what we call in English "proper nouns" and they always begin with a capital letter. So Joseph Brown is only properly spelled if the "J" and "B" are capitals. Unlike German when all nouns begin with capitals, here a dog is spelled as "dog" und nicht Hund oder "Dog" :) Bis Spater, David I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You may explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know in other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of us in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W. Let me hear about your view of this subject? Rgds Uwe G. (POMMERENING)
Date: 2007/02/01 01:11:01
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
Hallo auch Werner, Vielen Danke mein guter Freund!! This would of course explain why my search has gone no further. I hope I can help you in some manner; please just let me know. David -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:48 PM To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area Hello David, the real name of your maternal grandfather is Hölterhinrichs. The origin is a small cottage (15 hectare) in Damme part Borringhausen, first notice 1724. The last owner Hülsmann sold the cottage 1907 to the farmer Strieker. Damme is located in Oldenburger-Münsterland, the catholic south part of the former Dukedom Oldenburg. Father David say, the area around Minster in Ohio called Ohio-Münsterland, as reference to Oldenburger-Münsterland. The first name of Minster (from Münster) was Stallotown. The teacher Stallo from Damme was the intiator for emigration movement from Oldenburger-Münsterland to Ohio. See also: http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/ The name Stiers is there not present, the phone directory listed a concentration in Westphalia, near Duisburg. I hope it help, Werner Honkomp
Date: 2007/02/01 01:11:40
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>
Hello David, read all my email, then you undersatand what was meant. Tschüß Uwe G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Otto" <ddotto(a)adelphia.net> To: "'Oldenburg-L'" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:56 AM Subject: [OL] English capitalization > Hallo Uwe, > > I do not think that this is a true statement about Americans and when/why we > capitalize names. These are what we call in English "proper nouns" and they > always begin with a capital letter. So Joseph Brown is only properly > spelled if the "J" and "B" are capitals. > > Unlike German when all nouns begin with capitals, here a dog is spelled as > "dog" und nicht Hund oder "Dog" :) > > Bis Spater, > > David > > I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if > they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You may > explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know in > other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use > Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of us > in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W. > > Let me hear about your view of this subject? > > Rgds > Uwe G. (POMMERENING) > > > > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/01 01:11:41
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>
Hello David, read all of my email, then you understand what was meant. Tschüß Uwe G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Otto" <ddotto(a)adelphia.net> To: "'Oldenburg-L'" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:56 AM Subject: [OL] English capitalization > Hallo Uwe, > > I do not think that this is a true statement about Americans and when/why we > capitalize names. These are what we call in English "proper nouns" and they > always begin with a capital letter. So Joseph Brown is only properly > spelled if the "J" and "B" are capitals. > > Unlike German when all nouns begin with capitals, here a dog is spelled as > "dog" und nicht Hund oder "Dog" :) > > Bis Spater, > > David > > I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if > they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You may > explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know in > other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use > Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of us > in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W. > > Let me hear about your view of this subject? > > Rgds > Uwe G. (POMMERENING) > > > > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/01 01:53:23
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
Thank you too Jim, Do you happen to know the county seat (or largest town) in Mercer County? To be honest, I have never heard if it. Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of JWR184(a)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:33 PM To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area If you think there are a lot of Oldenberg Germans in the Cincinnati area you should go north to Mercer County. A few years ago nearly everyone was from Oldenberg and Catholic. Even the towns have German names. And beautiful churches.Get a phone book. Wow. I have nearly every name in my tree. Jim Rettig Cincinnati > It seems that word-of-mouth, and then > having relatives/friends there, became the driving forces. Both Cincinnati > and Oldenberg seem to be predominantly Catholic and socially conservative as > a result of this emigration. > Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/01 02:02:00
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
My apologies Uwe, I think I know what you meant now. Maybe you mean if I say to you UWE POMMERENING I am shouting, or yelling at you (?) We call this an internet "thing" that we raise our voice. We think that this is rude, or poor manners. I hope this is what you meant. Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Uwe G. Pommerening Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:08 PM To: Oldenburg-L Subject: Re: [OL] English capitalization Hello David, read all my email, then you undersatand what was meant. Tschüß Uwe G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Otto" <ddotto(a)adelphia.net> To: "'Oldenburg-L'" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:56 AM Subject: [OL] English capitalization > Hallo Uwe, > > I do not think that this is a true statement about Americans and when/why we > capitalize names. These are what we call in English "proper nouns" and they > always begin with a capital letter. So Joseph Brown is only properly > spelled if the "J" and "B" are capitals. > > Unlike German when all nouns begin with capitals, here a dog is spelled as > "dog" und nicht Hund oder "Dog" :) > > Bis Spater, > > David > > I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if > they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You may > explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know in > other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use > Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of us > in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W. > > Let me hear about your view of this subject? > > Rgds > Uwe G. (POMMERENING) > > > > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/01 02:31:48
From: JWR184 <JWR184(a)aol.com>
Hi, Minster is a large town, I do not know the county seat of Mercer County. Google it. Jim ********* > Thank you too Jim, > > Do you happen to know the county seat (or largest town) in Mercer County? > To be honest, I have never heard if it. > > Regards, > > Dave
Date: 2007/02/01 03:13:45
From: Berco445 <Berco445(a)aol.com>
The Mercer County seat is Celina, Ohio; The Mercer County Genealogical Society has careful records of many families in the area. A huge book , Mercer County Ohio History 1978, by Joyce Alig, gives multiple family histories. Most of the early Catholic Church parish records there have been catalogued. Allen Bernard Cincinnati, OH
Date: 2007/02/01 03:21:53
From: Berco445 <Berco445(a)aol.com>
Also keep in mind that many Oldenburg Germans settled in Covington and Newport, Kentucky, just opposite of Cincinnati. The Kenton County Public Library in Covington has excellent genealogical records of these Northern Kentucky residents. The Mother of God Church in Covington, has many records of Oldenburg immigrants and was their major Catholic church. Allen Bernard Cincinnati, OH
Date: 2007/02/01 06:03:05
From: David <dahht(a)watchtv.net>
This is Fr. David Hoying from the "Ohio Münsterland". Yes, check Werner's site for information. I have record of over 2000 individuals from "Oldenburger Münsterland" who settled in the "Ohio Münsterland" (the area around Minster, Fort Loramie, Maria Stein and Saint Henry), with over 500 of them coming from Damme alone! I have been working on putting this all together with a history and a cultural study. It is has been taking me quite a long time to do this (15 years or so) and I have much yet to do. I have a parish to take care of, so, do not swamp me with too many inquiries. And for the moment, also do not expect long answers.
Hello David,
the real name of your maternal grandfather is Hölterhinrichs.
The origin is a small cottage (15 hectare) in Damme part Borringhausen, first notice 1724.
The last owner Hülsmann sold the cottage 1907 to the farmer Strieker.
Damme is located in Oldenburger-Münsterland, the catholic south part of the former Dukedom Oldenburg.
Father David say, the area around Minster in Ohio called Ohio-Münsterland, as reference to Oldenburger-Münsterland.
The first name of Minster (from Münster) was Stallotown. The teacher Stallo from Damme was the intiator for emigration movement from Oldenburger-Münsterland to Ohio.
See also: http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/
The name Stiers is there not present, the phone directory listed a concentration in Westphalia, near Duisburg.
I hope it help, Werner Honkomp
Thank you Christopher,
My maternal grandfather was Catholic and we think his predecessors came from Oldenburg, but no one could find his name listed in any of the records from there (Holthinrichs). Someone said that they might have come from the Netherlands, but I was not able to find that name there either, only Holt which my grandfather shortened his name to this after the 1920s sometime.
The other "Grosvater" was named Stiers, and they were Protestant. This evidently caused some friction between the two families, and I have been trying (without success) to trace the four Stiers brothers (all born in Cincy) that my grandmother had.
David
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Date: 2007/02/01 14:19:13
From: REPKINGRON <REPKINGRON(a)aol.com>
The following is part of an article by Franz-Josef Tegenkamp. It describes the migration of another group of pedons from Oldenburg to Cincinnati and then to Illinois. On September 9, 1834, the ship reached its terminal port Baltimore, and approximately two weeks Later the Uptmoor brothers arrived in Cincinnati, the provisional goal of their journey. Here they worked during the next five years mainly as carpenters. Clemens Uptmoor had learned the occupation of ship carpenter in his youth, which served him well now. In the summer of 1836 Cincinnati experienced a cholera outbreak, and for this reason the Uptmoor brothers went for several months to Missouri to work. On the way they traveled for the first time through the fertile, at the time almost completely uninhabited areas of the American Midwest, which seemed just waiting to be settled. It is therefore not surprising that it was at this time that they formulated their plan to found a colony for German Catholic emigrants. After their return to Cincinnati, therefore, they founded the "German Land Company" or "Settlement Company" at the beginning of 1837 together with a partner, Johann Ferdinand Waschefort, who had emigrated in 1831 from Addrup near Essen. 141 people joined the company in a short time due to the constant stream of emigrants from Germany. They paid in regular contributions in order to later acquire a larger section of land. In April, 1837 Clemens Uptmoor, together with Johann Ferdinand Waschefort and Gerhard Heinich Bergfeld (from Lastrup), made their way on a 15-week trip through the states of Indiana, Illinois, and Missouri to look for a suitable section of land. They finally decided on an area approximately 100 miles east of St. Louis near Vandalia, the capital of Illinois at that time, where some former residents of Hanover had already settled. After another trip by other members of the company to view the land, the land was acquired in 1838 (approximately 4000 hectares, or 40 million square meters, or 10,000 acres) and was distributed to the members in the fall of that year. On the suggestion of the Bishop of Cincinnati the new colony was given the name Teutopolis. Ronald J Repking Repkingron(a)aol.com Flossmoor, Illinois
Date: 2007/02/01 14:59:45
From: mstulken <mstulken(a)wi.net>
Thank you! That's most intresting. Marilyn
Date: 2007/02/01 15:27:01
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
Thank you too Ronald, Dave -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of REPKINGRON(a)aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:19 AM To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area The following is part of an article by Franz-Josef Tegenkamp. It describes the migration of another group of pedons from Oldenburg to Cincinnati and then to Illinois.
Date: 2007/02/01 15:48:27
From: roberto glascher <robertoglascher(a)yahoo.com.ar>
I think your surname was allways Holt ,and your GGgrandfather must have been Hinrichs which I think is Henry. I live in Argentina.We have a town named Holt ,150 Km.north of Buenos Aires. Good luck. Robby __________________________________________________ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ¡Probalo ya! http://www.yahoo.com.ar/respuestas
Date: 2007/02/01 16:17:41
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>
My search is Pommern. Sorry I have no one in the Oldenburg area. Rgds Uwe G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Westerhaus" <dwesterhaus(a)everestkc.net> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:09 AM Subject: [OL] (no subject) > I think the hint from Uwe G. POMMERENING is quite good. I will use it > myself. > > Also - I recently received from my distant cousin, Floyd WINNER, Coldwater, > Ohio (which is near Minster, Ohio)a book compiled by the Minster Ohio > historical society that shares the drawings and diary of Liwat BOKE who came > from Neuenkirchen to Cincinnati area in about 1820. Floyd and I are both > descendants of WINNER-WESTERHAUS and TAUBKE-WESTERHAUS from > Neuenkirchen/Voerden area of Oldenburg. That compilation was very helpful > in explaining why so many from Neuenkirchen and surrounding communities > found there way to Cincinnati. It was also a fascinating explanation of the > lifestyle this really remarkable woman had as she and her husband pioneered > as farmers 75 miles north of Cincinnati. > > The basic explanation squares with an earlier comment - that one or more > early immigrants from Oldenburg came to Cincinnati (sailing down the Ohio > river), found the area similar to the area they left, and "pitched" the area > to family and friends. > > Should anyone have interest in the book from Minster Ohio Historical Society > ($25) I can ask Floyd for ordering information. > > Regards, > > Doug Westerhaus > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2007/02/01 16:27:53
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>
Hello, this is what I found: http://www.familysearch.org/ENG/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=AncestorSearchResults.asp%3Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26last%5Fname%3DEsius%26fathers%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26fathers%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26mothers%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26mothers%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26spouses%5Ffirst%5Fname%3D%26spouses%5Flast%5Fname%3D%26from%5Fdate%3D%26to%5Fdate%3D%26date%5Frange%3D%26standardize%3D%26juris1index%3D%26juris2index%3D%26juris1friendly%3D%26juris2friendly%3D%26event%5Findex%3D%26testing%3D%26juris1%3D%26juris2%3D%26juris3%3D You can use this one too: http://fernabfrage.ahnenforschung.net/ Rgds Uwe G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kumodoke" <kumodoke(a)planet.nl> To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [OL] Pommeren? > > You wrote: > Do you really beleave that they all read what you have put down, and if so, > do they than have time left to answer? > > Hello Uwe, > > Yes indeed, this was the message I was looking for. > Thanks for your answer. > > Yes I believe that the listers read the messages. I read all of them. > But as I said: the investigation in Germany is very difficult online > > And we are dependent of the online searches. > > Do you know something about my family called Esius???? > > I have never got an answer. > > You wrote: > Peter POMMERENING got married to Bertha Luise HOLLBERG. One son > immigrated to the USA. He married Jane MYERS of Oskosh, WI.. > while Wilhelm Pommerening never immigrated > > My question: > In what the year???? > > Reina > > > > > Are you looking for this?........... > > To all people in the lists... > > > Again and again I feel frustrated when I don't get an answer to my emails. > In a German list I found a very nice hint: > > ...CAPITALIZE always each FamilyName (not FirstName) appearing in your text > by the first time ..... > > ...ie. Peter POMMERENING got married to Bertha Luise HOLLBERG. One son > immigrated to the USA. He married Jane MYERS of Oskosh, WI.. > while Wilhelm Pommerening never immigrated...... > > Please ask yourself, whereto your eyes will focus when reading an email? > The > answer is: to words VARYING FROM STANDARD, to a DIFFERENT or UNUSUAL > APPEARANCE. (Don't use colours, italics or bold face as not all users have > the ability). > > In the lists there are lots of researchers receiving up to 100 emails a > day. > Do you really beleave that they all read what you have put down, and if so, > do they than have time left to answer? I beleave not. Meanwhile I have > raised my hit rate extremly by using the above hint. > > When I look for a MAIN NAME in a family, I just put the FamilyName > appearing > the first time in capital letters. The same procedure when I look for PLACE > NAMENS. > > I learned that some people in the USA use capitalization of names only if > they want to express if/that the person is something negative???....You may > explaine to me please. Here in Germany this does not apply and as I know in > other European countries neither. We are living in a global world and use > Internet therefor things should be done more professional helping all of us > in Europe, the U.S.A and R.O.W. > > Let me hear about your view of this subject? > > Rgds > Uwe G. (POMMERENING) > > > I search for POMMERENING, BRANDT, DONNER, DOERR. > > Reina wrote: > All the time I want to say to the person who has send the message about > why he has got no answers at this list at his questions. > > But I could not find the message back in the archives. It was something > with the name: "Pommeren" or so > > Well, what I like to say is that I have some experience with other (very > active) mailinglists. > > The point is that in f.e. Denmark and in Norway a lot of records are > online. So if one ask a question to this list the answer is very quick. > > In the regions in Germany there are much lesser records online. So if one > ask a questions to a German list, f.e. the Oldenburg List, the answer will > depend if somebody has the familyname, you ask for, in his of her database. > > I have also got never answers at my questions. But it is not the case that > the listers are unwilling. > It's just that the information is hard to get online in the German > regions. > > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2007/02/01 17:23:08
From: kumodoke <kumodoke(a)planet.nl>
Thank you Uwe, May your effort be an example for other listers that there are possibilities online for Germany Reina
Date: 2007/02/01 17:41:24
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
Gracias Robby! -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of roberto glascher Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:48 AM To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [OL] HI David I think your surname was allways Holt ,and your GGgrandfather must have been Hinrichs which I think is Henry. I live in Argentina.We have a town named Holt ,150 Km.north of Buenos Aires. Good luck. Robby __________________________________________________ Preguntá. Respondé. Descubrí. Todo lo que querías saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, está en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ¡Probalo ya! http://www.yahoo.com.ar/respuestas Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/02 17:23:08
From: us <shirleyijest(a)adelphia.net>
I am trying to find information on the DeHarde family of Klippkanne, Brake, and Vegesak. Specifically the parentage of George Henry DeHarde born in abt 1843. Anyone with information or who like to get the information I have collected, please contact me at shirleyijest(a)adelphia.net Linda
Date: 2007/02/03 02:51:51
From: Francis Blahnik <fblahnik(a)sbcglobal.net>
Thank you for your information. There are several other Kasch families in this area. Those I have checked on have come from the Holstein area. From other things I have seen concerning my maternal great grandfather I think he came from Oldenburg.
Could you give me a village or church records that I could investigate further?
Thanks again for your help. Francis L. Blahnik
Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote:
We have only two Kasch addresses in the former Dukedom of Oldenburg. But there is a Kasch concentration in the State Schleswig Holstein, part Segeberg and Ost-Holstein. (see http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/Default.aspx )
This area was former a part of the Dukedom of Oldenburg.
>From which port he came over to New York - Bremen is close to Oldenburg and Hamburg close to Schleswig-Holstein.
Good luck,
Werner Honkomp
> I am looking for the ancestors of Claus Kasch. His tombstone, in the
> Tannery Cemetery
> in Two Rivers Wisconsin, states that he was born 13 April 1822. He died
> 20 April 1903.
> In a declaration of intent to become a United States citizen he stated
> that he, Henry Kasch, was born in Oldenburg in 1820, that he arrived in
> the Port of New York in October of 1853. He renounced allegiance to the
> Duke of Oldenberg. He was of the Lutheran faith. Judging by the things
> he did in the United States he was an educated man.
> Any information you can find will be greatly appreciated.
> Francis L. Blahnik
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Date: 2007/02/03 05:54:22
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
Thank you Bernie, My grandfather and great-grandfather's middle names were both Bernard. Coincidentally it looks like most, if not all, of my ancestors emigrated about the same time, and were all my G-G grandfathers, or G-G grandmothers. Some of my ancestors were listed as having been from Hamilton, or Hamilton County, also. Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Bernie Punte Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:37 PM To: 'Oldenburg-L' Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area I have Krogmann relatives in Hamilton Ohio, very close to Cincinnati. My great-great-grandfathers' family emigrated from Oldenberg in 1868. Most of the family stayed in Baltimore, but one brother and his family went directly to Hamilton, near Cincinnati. There were already Krogmann relatives living in that area of Ohio. One brother lived with the rest of the family in Baltimore for several years and later moved to the Cincinnati area. Bernie Punte
Date: 2007/02/03 08:36:05
From: McCoy, Terry G. COL <mccoyt(a)eucom.mil>
I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827. We believe he immigrated to the USA in about 1846. He lived in Ohio, then Kentucky and finally in Alabama. I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to Oldenburg in pursuit of information. I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact information for a possible visit. Respectfully, Terry McCoy
Date: 2007/02/03 11:45:17
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Terry, you are sure that GRAFTON is the right spelling? The german phone directory listed only one Grafton address in Hamburg, far away from Oldenburg. Was he lutheran or catholic? Regards, Werner Honkomp > I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles > Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827. > We believe he immigrated to the USA in about 1846. He lived in Ohio, > then Kentucky and finally in Alabama. > I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to > Oldenburg in pursuit of information. > I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact > information for a possible visit. > Respectfully, > Terry McCoy > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/03 12:40:02
From: Tanja Schmidt <tanja.schmidt(a)ewetel.net>
Hello, I'm looking for more informations about the Bredehorn family in Friesland, expecially for the ancestors of JOHANN RENKE BREDEHORN, born in Bredehorn 04 July 1820. He died in Varel 13 July 1889. He married ANNA WARNTS in Zetel 30 September 1849. His Parents were JOHANN HERMANN BREDEHORN, born 12 June 1778, and HELENE MARGARET DIERKS, born in Hittels 30 March 1786. Who can give me some directions? Regards, Tanja
Date: 2007/02/03 13:25:47
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>
Hello Werner, Hello David, i have found a record about some "Hölterhinnerkes". In 1800 Anna Maria Elisabeth Hölterhinnerkes married Johann Bernardus Bultman named Hölterhinnerkes. Anna was born in the Damme area and Johan was born in Nellinghof / Neuenkirchen. They had 9 Children.... If you need further informations on this please let me know.. Best Regards and a nice Weekend.. Jan Timphaus Neuenkirchen My Ancestor Surnames: Timphaus, Hagedorn, Steinkamp, Zumdohme... -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Werner Honkomp Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Januar 2007 22:48 An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Betreff: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area Hello David, the real name of your maternal grandfather is Hölterhinrichs. The origin is a small cottage (15 hectare) in Damme part Borringhausen, first notice 1724. The last owner Hülsmann sold the cottage 1907 to the farmer Strieker. Damme is located in Oldenburger-Münsterland, the catholic south part of the former Dukedom Oldenburg. Father David say, the area around Minster in Ohio called Ohio-Münsterland, as reference to Oldenburger-Münsterland. The first name of Minster (from Münster) was Stallotown. The teacher Stallo from Damme was the intiator for emigration movement from Oldenburger-Münsterland to Ohio. See also: http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/ The name Stiers is there not present, the phone directory listed a concentration in Westphalia, near Duisburg. I hope it help, Werner Honkomp > Thank you Christopher, > My maternal grandfather was Catholic and we think his predecessors came > from > Oldenburg, but no one could find his name listed in any of the records > from > there (Holthinrichs). Someone said that they might have come from the > Netherlands, but I was not able to find that name there either, only Holt > which my grandfather shortened his name to this after the 1920s sometime. > The other "Grosvater" was named Stiers, and they were Protestant. This > evidently caused some friction between the two families, and I have been > trying (without success) to trace the four Stiers brothers (all born in > Cincy) that my grandmother had. > David > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/03 13:26:38
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hallo Tanja, there is a Family Book on CD for Varel: Ortsfamilienbuch Varel Verfasser: Hermann Oltmanns, Soest Preis: 25 Euro Enthalten sind 23.270 Familien und über 70.000 Personen Erfasst und eingearbeitet wurden die Kirchenbücher der ev.-luth. Kirche in Varel von 1676 bis 1900 die Grabstellen und -platten aus der Zeit vor Beginn der Kirchenbücher vorhandene Haus- und Höferegister ab etwa 1570 ergänzende Daten aus Kirchenbüchern anderer Kirchspiele You can order it online via: http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/ then click left on "Online-Shop" Werner > Hello, > I'm looking for more informations about the Bredehorn family in Friesland, > expecially for the ancestors of JOHANN RENKE BREDEHORN, born in Bredehorn > 04 > July 1820. He died in Varel 13 July 1889. He married ANNA WARNTS in Zetel > 30 > September 1849. His Parents were JOHANN HERMANN BREDEHORN, born 12 June > 1778, and HELENE MARGARET DIERKS, born in Hittels 30 March 1786. > Who can give me some directions? > Regards, > Tanja > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/03 13:27:31
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>
Hello Doug, it is nice to here from some person who has ancestor in my home town. I knew some people of the today families of Winner-WEsterhaus and Taubke-Westerhaus, too.. Have a nice Weekend.. Jan Timphaus Ancestors: Timphaus, STeinkamp, HAgedorn, Zumdohme -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Doug Westerhaus Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 00:10 An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Betreff: [OL] (no subject) I think the hint from Uwe G. POMMERENING is quite good. I will use it myself. Also - I recently received from my distant cousin, Floyd WINNER, Coldwater, Ohio (which is near Minster, Ohio)a book compiled by the Minster Ohio historical society that shares the drawings and diary of Liwat BOKE who came from Neuenkirchen to Cincinnati area in about 1820. Floyd and I are both descendants of WINNER-WESTERHAUS and TAUBKE-WESTERHAUS from Neuenkirchen/Voerden area of Oldenburg. That compilation was very helpful in explaining why so many from Neuenkirchen and surrounding communities found there way to Cincinnati. It was also a fascinating explanation of the lifestyle this really remarkable woman had as she and her husband pioneered as farmers 75 miles north of Cincinnati. The basic explanation squares with an earlier comment - that one or more early immigrants from Oldenburg came to Cincinnati (sailing down the Ohio river), found the area similar to the area they left, and "pitched" the area to family and friends. Should anyone have interest in the book from Minster Ohio Historical Society ($25) I can ask Floyd for ordering information. Regards, Doug Westerhaus Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/03 13:29:24
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>
Hello Fr David, i have in my files a Heinrich Antonius Hoying. Do you know him? Regards Jan Timphaus Ancestors: Timphaus, Hagedorn, STeinkamp, Zumdohme -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von David Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 06:00 An: Werner Honkomp; Oldenburg-L Betreff: [OL] the "Ohio Münsterland" Greetings, This is Fr. David Hoying from the "Ohio Münsterland". Yes, check Werner's site for information. I have record of over 2000 individuals from "Oldenburger Münsterland" who settled in the "Ohio Münsterland" (the area around Minster, Fort Loramie, Maria Stein and Saint Henry), with over 500 of them coming from Damme alone! I have been working on putting this all together with a history and a cultural study. It is has been taking me quite a long time to do this (15 years or so) and I have much yet to do. I have a parish to take care of, so, do not swamp me with too many inquiries. And for the moment, also do not expect long answers. Than you, Fr. David Hoying, CPPS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Werner Honkomp" <werner(a)honkomp.de> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area > Hello David, > > the real name of your maternal grandfather is Hölterhinrichs. > The origin is a small cottage (15 hectare) in Damme part Borringhausen, > first notice 1724. > The last owner Hülsmann sold the cottage 1907 to the farmer Strieker. > > Damme is located in Oldenburger-Münsterland, the catholic south part of > the former Dukedom Oldenburg. > Father David say, the area around Minster in Ohio called Ohio-Münsterland, > as reference to Oldenburger-Münsterland. > The first name of Minster (from Münster) was Stallotown. The teacher > Stallo from Damme was the intiator for emigration movement from > Oldenburger-Münsterland to Ohio. > > See also: http://www.honkomp.de/damme-auswanderung/ > > The name Stiers is there not present, the phone directory listed a > concentration in Westphalia, near Duisburg. > > I hope it help, > Werner Honkomp > >> Thank you Christopher, > >> My maternal grandfather was Catholic and we think his predecessors came >> from >> Oldenburg, but no one could find his name listed in any of the records >> from >> there (Holthinrichs). Someone said that they might have come from the >> Netherlands, but I was not able to find that name there either, only Holt >> which my grandfather shortened his name to this after the 1920s sometime. > >> The other "Grosvater" was named Stiers, and they were Protestant. This >> evidently caused some friction between the two families, and I have been >> trying (without success) to trace the four Stiers brothers (all born in >> Cincy) that my grandmother had. > >> David > > >> Oldenburg-L mailing list >> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/03 13:31:07
From: Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus <ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de>
Hello Bernie, where is you origin in the Oldenburg Area? Regards Jan Timphaus Ancestors: Timphaus, Steinkamp, Zumdohme, Hagedorn -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bernie Punte Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 00:37 An: 'Oldenburg-L' Betreff: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area I have Krogmann relatives in Hamilton Ohio, very close to Cincinnati. My great-great-grandfathers' family emigrated from Oldenberg in 1868. Most of the family stayed in Baltimore, but one brother and his family went directly to Hamilton, near Cincinnati. There were already Krogmann relatives living in that area of Ohio. One brother lived with the rest of the family in Baltimore for several years and later moved to the Cincinnati area. Bernie Punte -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of David Otto Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:40 AM To: 'Oldenburg-L' Subject: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area Does anyone know why so many German immigrants settled in the Cincinnati Ohio area? I have noticed that there were quite a few who came to Portsmouth Ohio too (both cities are on the Ohio River and are both port cities). Thanks, David Otto Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/03 13:40:38
From: McCoy, Terry G. COL <mccoyt(a)eucom.mil>
Hello Werner, Thank you for such a quick reply. I am sure of the spelling he used in the US. But, he may have changed it when he immigrated (abt 1846). I figure "Charles" was "Carl" before he left Germany, but I don't know about "Grafton". His place of birth is listed as Oldenburg in at least two different US Censuses, but I don't know if he was from Oldenburg the town, or Oldenburg the Duchy. Is that too many unknowns? Respectfully, Terry McCoy ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:29:27 +0100 From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> Subject: Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 1827 To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Hello Terry, you are sure that GRAFTON is the right spelling? The german phone directory listed only one Grafton address in Hamburg, far away from Oldenburg. Was he lutheran or catholic? Regards, Werner Honkomp Original message: I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827. We believe he immigrated to the USA in about 1846. He lived in Ohio, then Kentucky and finally in Alabama. I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to Oldenburg in pursuit of information. I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact information for a possible visit. Respectfully, Terry McCoy
Date: 2007/02/03 13:45:21
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>
I would check all the immigration lists in the general time period for somebody named Graf* from Oldenburg. I too doubt that it was Grafton, maybe Grafen or Graften but not Grafton.
Hello Werner, Thank you for such a quick reply. I am sure of the spelling he used in the US. But, he may have changed it when he immigrated (abt 1846). I figure "Charles" was "Carl" before he left Germany, but I don't know about "Grafton". His place of birth is listed as Oldenburg in at least two different US Censuses, but I don't know if he was from Oldenburg the town, or Oldenburg the Duchy.
Is that too many unknowns?
Respectfully, Terry McCoy
------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:29:27 +0100 From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> Subject: Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 1827 To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Hello Terry, you are sure that GRAFTON is the right spelling? The german phone directory listed only one Grafton address in Hamburg, far away from Oldenburg. Was he lutheran or catholic? Regards, Werner Honkomp
Original message: I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827. We believe he immigrated to the USA in about 1846. He lived in Ohio, then Kentucky and finally in Alabama. I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to Oldenburg in pursuit of information. I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact information for a possible visit. Respectfully, Terry McCoy Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
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Date: 2007/02/03 15:25:50
From: Laura Ross-Dedloff <lrossded(a)mail.win.org>
Date: 2007/02/03 16:01:01
From: Doug Fricke <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com>
Date: 2007/02/03 17:15:23
From: Nora Hansen <norahansen(a)comcast.net>
Sorry, I have no information that you asked about but did take note of your last name, Fricke. Any possible relation to Henrich (Henry) FRICKE born about 1809 in Dessau, Anhalt, Germany, and came to Fond du Lac Co., Wisconsin in 1847? He was married to Friedericka ZANDER. Their children were Amalie b 1835 (+ROLLMAN), Reinhardt b 1840/41 (+SCHUNKE), Lewis b abt. 1843 (+Dora), Waldemar b 1843 (+CARPENTER), and Sophia b 1839. My husband descends from Waldemar, who ended up in Lancaster Co., Nebraska. Just curious, since I don't run across too many Frickes! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Fricke" <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area > We are searching for information on the Themann and Gedding families from > Oldenburg in the mid 1800s. They sailed on the ship "Baltimore" from Bremen > and arrived in Baltimore 26 Nov 1870. They came from the Province of > Oldenburg with destination listed as Cincinnati. Anton Themann was 18 years > old and Franzicka was 21. They were Catholic and settled in Cincinnati. > > Doug Fricke in Indiana > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/03 17:31:34
From: Hildegard Brümmer <h_br(a)gmx.de>
Hallo an alle Mitstreiter Durch Zufall habe ich mir das Buch "Ritter-Recht des Herzogthums Bemen" von 1739 digitalisieren können. Falls interesse besteht: bitte direkt an: horst(a)chikano.net oder lostbooks(a)chikano.net Nr. 262 Ritter-Recht des Herzogthums Bemen, ehemaligen Bremischen Herrn Ertz-Bischöffe Henrico, im Jahre 1577. gnädigst bestätiget, jetzt aber von neuen revidieret, erläutert, vermehret und von Ihrer Königlichen Majestät Georg dem Andern, Könige von Großbritannien, Frankreich und Irrland, Beschützern des Glaubens, Herzogen zu Braunschweig und Lüneburg, des heiligen Römischen Reichs Erz-Schatzmeistern und Chur-Fürsten als Allergnädigstem Landesherrn Allerhöchst confirmiret. Stade, gedruckt 1739. ****************************************************** Ruhiges Wochenende Hildeg. Brümmer ******************************************************
Date: 2007/02/03 20:19:54
From: Doug Fricke <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com>
From: "Nora Hansen" <norahansen(a)comcast.net> Reply-To: Oldenburg-L <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:14:55 -0800
Sorry, I have no information that you asked about but did take note of your last name, Fricke. Any possible relation to Henrich (Henry) FRICKE born about 1809 in Dessau, Anhalt, Germany, and came to Fond du Lac Co., Wisconsin in 1847? He was married to Friedericka ZANDER. Their children were Amalie b 1835 (+ROLLMAN), Reinhardt b 1840/41 (+SCHUNKE), Lewis b abt. 1843 (+Dora), Waldemar b 1843 (+CARPENTER), and Sophia b 1839. My husband descends from Waldemar, who ended up in Lancaster Co., Nebraska.
Just curious, since I don't run across too many Frickes!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Fricke" <dougfricke_msn(a)msn.com> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area
> We are searching for information on the Themann and Gedding families from
> Oldenburg in the mid 1800s. They sailed on the ship "Baltimore" from
Bremen
> and arrived in Baltimore 26 Nov 1870. They came from the Province of
> Oldenburg with destination listed as Cincinnati. Anton Themann was 18
years
> old and Franzicka was 21. They were Catholic and settled in Cincinnati.
>
> Doug Fricke in Indiana
>
>
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> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
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Date: 2007/02/04 03:45:06
From: Bernie Punte <berniepunte(a)yahoo.com>
My Punte ancestors were from the Muenster, Langförden. This is in the Vechta diocese. The town I have found in the church records is Varrel. The same town name appears for 4 generations. I can find no record of this town in current records. -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces+berniepunte=yahoo.com(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces+berniepunte=yahoo.com(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Ahnenforschung Familie Timphaus Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 7:32 AM To: 'Oldenburg-L' Subject: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area Hello Bernie, where is you origin in the Oldenburg Area? Regards Jan Timphaus Ancestors: Timphaus, Steinkamp, Zumdohme, Hagedorn -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Bernie Punte Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 00:37 An: 'Oldenburg-L' Betreff: Re: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area I have Krogmann relatives in Hamilton Ohio, very close to Cincinnati. My great-great-grandfathers' family emigrated from Oldenberg in 1868. Most of the family stayed in Baltimore, but one brother and his family went directly to Hamilton, near Cincinnati. There were already Krogmann relatives living in that area of Ohio. One brother lived with the rest of the family in Baltimore for several years and later moved to the Cincinnati area. Bernie Punte -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of David Otto Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:40 AM To: 'Oldenburg-L' Subject: [OL] Germans in the greater Cincinnati area Does anyone know why so many German immigrants settled in the Cincinnati Ohio area? I have noticed that there were quite a few who came to Portsmouth Ohio too (both cities are on the Ohio River and are both port cities). Thanks, David Otto Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/04 09:49:05
From: Felschen <o.felschen(a)T-Online.de>
Hi Bernie, the current spelling is Vardel. Look here: http://stadtplaene.klicktel.de/location.php?longlat=::::::51510399|56937870&streetnr=Bakumer+Str.+17&zipcity=49377+Vechta&country=D&sid=udr65f0c1le5k7dam789p07o14&mapmode=hybrid and you have an idea how small it is. Bye Otto "Bernie Punte" <berniepunte(a)yahoo.com> schrieb: > My Punte ancestors were from the Muenster, Langförden. This is in the > Vechta diocese. The town I have found in the church records is Varrel. > The same town name appears for 4 generations. I can find no record of > this town in current records.
Date: 2007/02/04 12:03:43
From: Womartens <Womartens(a)aol.com>
Liebe Mitglieder und Listenteilnehmer, am Sonnabend, dem 10. Februar 2007, findet um 16.00 Uhr der nächste Vortrag der Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft für Familienkunde e.V. (OGF) im Vortragsraum des Staatsarchivs Oldenburg (Damm 43) statt. Parkplätze sind hinter dem Gebäude und an der Kanalstrasse vorhanden, der Eintritt ist frei. Die Referentinnen sind Ruth Decker und Monika von Hammel (Cloppenburg) und das Thema lautet: „Totengedenkzettel - Erinnerung und genealogische Quelle“ (mit Lichtbildern) Totenzettel sind auch unter den Begriffen Trauerzettel oder Trauerbilder, Sterbezettel oder Sterbebilder und als Totenbilder bekannt. Sie enthalten meistens den Namen, das Geburts- und Sterbedatum, den Geburts- und Sterbeort des Verstorbenen. Weiterhin sind häufig Hinweise auf den Beruf, den Lebensverlauf, die Familie mit Ehepartner und Kindern sowie die Todesursache auf Totenzetteln vermerkt. Auch besondere Auszeichnungen und Ehrungen können aufgeführt sein. Biografische Daten, die dem Genealogen wertvolle Hinweise für seine Forschungen geben können. Die Referentinnen haben zurzeit etwa 28.000 Totenzettel, überwiegend aus dem Oldenburger Münsterland, erfaßt. Sie bilden eine reiche Informationsquelle für Heimat- und Familienforscher, wobei die ältesten Exemplare aus dem Jahre 1850 stammen. Die dazugehörige Publikation wird von der Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft für Familienkunde in Zusammenarbeit mit dem Familienkundlichen Arbeitskreis im Geschichtsausschuss des Heimatbundes für das Oldenburger Münsterland herausgegeben. Es ist zugleich Band 2 in der Reihe "Quellen und Forschungen zur oldenburgischen Familienkunde", der von der OGF als DVD-ROM kommenden Sonnabend präsentiert wird, der Preis beträgt 20,00 Euro und ist über den Internet-Shop erhältlich. Mit freundlichen Grüssen Wolfgang Martens www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de mit Internet-Shop Mit freundlichen Grüssen Wolfgang Martens www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de mit Online-Shop
Date: 2007/02/04 15:31:20
From: Uwe G. Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>
Hello Reina, I checked my data back and forth. I have no ESUIS. Sorry Mfg Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: "kumodoke" <kumodoke(a)planet.nl> To: "Oldenburg-L" <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [OL] Pommeren? > > You wrote: > Do you really beleave that they all read what you have put down, and if so, > do they than have time left to answer? > > Hello Uwe, > > Yes indeed, this was the message I was looking for. > Thanks for your answer. > ...........
Date: 2007/02/04 16:07:56
From: kumodoke <kumodoke(a)planet.nl>
Thanks for looking. It's difficult to find him back before 1812 Time onwards, after 1812, I have all the records.
May be I will get once further back in time. Thanks Reina
You wrote: I checked my data back and forth. I have no ESUIS. Sorry Mfg Uwe
Date: 2007/02/04 19:33:29
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Terry, I checked the Oldenburg Duchy and the town, but there is only Graf or Grafe, all in the lutheran part of Oldenburg. Maybe you can find the passenger list for checking the right spelling. Good luck, Werner > Hello Werner, > Thank you for such a quick reply. > I am sure of the spelling he used in the US. But, he may have changed > it when he immigrated (abt 1846). I figure "Charles" was "Carl" before > he left Germany, but I don't know about "Grafton". > His place of birth is listed as Oldenburg in at least two different US > Censuses, but I don't know if he was from Oldenburg the town, or > Oldenburg the Duchy. > Is that too many unknowns? > Respectfully, > Terry McCoy > ------------------------------ > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:29:27 +0100 > From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> > Subject: Re: [OL] Charles Grafton from Oldenburg, B 1827 > To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net > Hello Terry, > you are sure that GRAFTON is the right spelling? > The german phone directory listed only one Grafton address in Hamburg, > far away from Oldenburg. > Was he lutheran or catholic? > Regards, Werner Honkomp > Original message: > I am looking for any information about my Great-Grandfather, Charles > Grafton, born in Oldenburg 19 May 1827. We believe he immigrated to the > USA in about 1846. He lived in Ohio, then Kentucky and finally in > Alabama. > I will live in Germany for the next year or two, and plan to travel to > Oldenburg in pursuit of information. > I would greatly appreciate any information, advice, or contact > information for a possible visit. > Respectfully, > Terry McCoy > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/04 19:33:32
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Doug, Gedding could be Gerding. I have two places of origin of Gerding in catholic part of Oldenburg, one in Lohne-Zerhusen, the other in Goldenstedt-Ambergen. Then I have three places of origin for Themann: Vechta-Telbrake, Vestrup-Hausstette, Damme-Ondrup. Goldenstedt and Vechta have a common border, therefore could be that this couple came from this parishes. I think you should check the LDS records for this parishes. Good luck, Werner Honkomp > We are searching for information on the Themann and Gedding families from > Oldenburg in the mid 1800s. They sailed on the ship "Baltimore" from > Bremen > and arrived in Baltimore 26 Nov 1870. They came from the Province of > Oldenburg with destination listed as Cincinnati. Anton Themann was 18 > years > old and Franzicka was 21. They were Catholic and settled in Cincinnati. > Doug Fricke in Indiana > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/04 21:13:22
From: Carola Conde <carola(a)miguelconde.info>
Hello! I¹m interested in tracing the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef Boeckmann who was born in Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of June, 1855, and came to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in 1882 and settled in Connecticut. All that I recall having been told by my grandmother is: that her parents had met aboard his father¹s ship where he was a crew member when she was emigrating from Halle/Leipzig; that Josef was the youngest of 11 children and had a brother, Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother Werner and one sister, Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own ship and sailed regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as well as a vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was murdered in Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold that he carried! So far I have not been successful in finding either of my gg-grandparents on a passenger list nor a Boeckmann listed as the master. Thank you so much if anyone would have any information about this family .... Carola (in Spain) -- Carola Condé carola(a)miguelconde.info
Date: 2007/02/04 22:54:38
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Carola, I have: - Joseph Böckmann, born 16.Sep.1855 in Steinfeld or Mühlen (Mühlen is a part of Steinfeld) Parents: Franz Ferdinand Böckmann and Maria Theresia Osterhus Could it be yours? Regards, Werner Honkomp, Oldenburg > Hello! > I¹m interested in tracing the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef > Boeckmann who was born in Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of June, > 1855, and came to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in > 1882 and settled in Connecticut. > All that I recall having been told by my grandmother is: that her parents > had met aboard his father¹s ship where he was a crew member when she was > emigrating from Halle/Leipzig; that Josef was the youngest of 11 children > and had a brother, Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother Werner > and one sister, Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own ship > and sailed regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as well > as a vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was murdered > in > Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold that he > carried! > So far I have not been successful in finding either of my gg-grandparents > on > a passenger list nor a Boeckmann listed as the master. > Thank you so much if anyone would have any information about this family > .... > Carola (in Spain) > -- > Carola Condé > carola(a)miguelconde.info > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/05 00:16:57
From: CBeekman <CBeekman(a)aol.com>
Hello to all, Does this name likely relate to the surname of Beekman or Beeckman, which seems relatively common both in Ostfriesland and Holland? Thanks c Hello Carola, I have: - Joseph Böckmann, born 16.Sep.1855 in Steinfeld or Mühlen (Mühlen is a part of Steinfeld) Parents: Franz Ferdinand Böckmann and Maria Theresia Osterhus Could it be yours? Regards, Werner Honkomp, Oldenburg > Hello! > I¹m interested in tracing the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef > Boeckmann who was born in Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of June, > 1855, and came to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in > 1882 and settled in Connecticut. > All that I recall having been told by my grandmother is: that her parents > had met aboard his father¹s ship where he was a crew member when she was > emigrating from Halle/Leipzig; that Josef was the youngest of 11 children > and had a brother, Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother Werner > and one sister, Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own ship > and sailed regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as well > as a vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was murdered > in > Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold that he > carried! > So far I have not been successful in finding either of my gg-grandparents > on > a passenger list nor a Boeckmann listed as the master. > Thank you so much if anyone would have any information about this family > .... > Carola (in Spain) > -- > Carola Condé > carola(a)miguelconde.info > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/05 09:10:44
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
I doun't believe it, because Steinfeld and around 98% catholics on this time and Ostfriesland and Holland mainly lutherans. It could only be, that a Böckmann go from Steinfeld to Holland as season worker (Hollandgänger). Werner > Hello to all, > Does this name likely relate to the surname of Beekman or Beeckman, which > seems relatively common both in Ostfriesland and Holland? > Thanks > c > Hello Carola, > I have: > - Joseph Böckmann, born 16.Sep.1855 in Steinfeld or Mühlen (Mühlen is a > part > of Steinfeld) > Parents: Franz Ferdinand Böckmann and Maria Theresia Osterhus > Could it be yours? > Regards, > Werner Honkomp, Oldenburg >> Hello! >> I¹m interested in tracing the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef >> Boeckmann who was born in Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of >> June, >> 1855, and came to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in >> 1882 and settled in Connecticut. >> All that I recall having been told by my grandmother is: that her >> parents >> had met aboard his father¹s ship where he was a crew member when she was >> emigrating from Halle/Leipzig; that Josef was the youngest of 11 >> children >> and had a brother, Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother >> Werner >> and one sister, Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own >> ship >> and sailed regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as >> well >> as a vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was >> murdered >> in >> Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold that >> he >> carried! >> So far I have not been successful in finding either of my >> gg-grandparents >> on >> a passenger list nor a Boeckmann listed as the master. >> Thank you so much if anyone would have any information about this family >> .... >> Carola (in Spain) >> -- >> Carola Condé >> carola(a)miguelconde.info >> Oldenburg-L mailing list >> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/05 14:50:42
From: Carola Conde <carola(a)miguelconde.info>
The following message has been returned to me twice, so I¹m resending it to this address too! Hello Werner, Thank you so much for your prompt reply, but I don't think your Joseph is my Johann Josef. I had heard of your Joseph some years ago but the exact date of birth and the fact that he was one of fewer children didn't coincide with the little information that I have. I've always wondered if there might not be a listing in the latter half of the 1800s of residents of Oldenburg with their respective occupations and if so, if gg-grandfather Böckmann, the sea captain, or his son, Clemence, the cigar manufacturer, might be listed. Rereading my original message I now note that I had mistakenly referred to Johann Josef Boeckmann as my gg-grandfather when, in fact, he was my g-grandfather. Just to set the record right! Saludos, Carola -- Miguel & Carola Condé Miguel.carola(a)miguelconde.info Miguel Condé, Mexican figurative painter, draftsman and etcher. http://www.miguelconde.info > From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> > Reply-To: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>, Oldenburg-L > <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:50:19 +0100 > To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > Subject: Re: [OL] B ÖCKMANN/BOECKMANN > > Hello Carola, > > I have: > - Joseph Böckmann, born 16.Sep.1855 in Steinfeld or Mühlen (Mühlen is a part > of Steinfeld) > Parents: Franz Ferdinand Böckmann and Maria Theresia Osterhus > > Could it be yours? > Regards, > Werner Honkomp, Oldenburg > >> Hello! > >> I¹m interested in tracing the family of my gg-grandfather Johann Josef >> Boeckmann who was born in Muhlen, Herzogthun, Oldenburg, the 16th of June, >> 1855, and came to America in 1881 where he married my gg-grandmother in >> 1882 and settled in Connecticut. > >> All that I recall having been told by my grandmother is: that her parents >> had met aboard his father¹s ship where he was a crew member when she was >> emigrating from Halle/Leipzig; that Josef was the youngest of 11 children >> and had a brother, Clemence, a cigar manufacturer, another brother Werner >> and one sister, Rosa; and that Josef¹s father was captain of his own ship >> and sailed regularly to Cuba and America bringing many immigrants; as well >> as a vague recollection of a story that a brother of Josef¹s was murdered >> in >> Baltimore supposedly for a diamond he flaunted and the bag of gold that he >> carried! > >> So far I have not been successful in finding either of my gg-grandparents >> on >> a passenger list nor a Boeckmann listed as the master. > >> Thank you so much if anyone would have any information about this family >> .... > >> Carola (in Spain) > >> -- >> Carola Condé >> carola(a)miguelconde.info > > > >> Oldenburg-L mailing list >> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-lRe -- Carola Condé carola(a)miguelconde.info
Date: 2007/02/06 12:37:09
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>
Date: 2007/02/06 12:37:30
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>
Date: 2007/02/06 13:20:40
From: Heinz Wiemann <Heinz.Wiemann(a)gmx.de>
Liebe Liste! Letzten Herbst hatte ich Euch 2 von mir erstellte Excel-Listen angeboten, einmal die Taufpaten von Dykhausen, dann die Taufpaten von Neustadtgödens. Da mein PC zwischenzeitlich einen Crash hatte und alle meine Dateien weg sind, habe ich die Listen selbst nicht mehr. Ich habe die Listen an einige von Euch geschickt. Wer hat sie noch und kann mir die Excel-Datei mailen? Vielen, vielen Dank und Grüße aus Schwaben, Andrea (Korbanka)
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Date: 2007/02/06 18:15:47
From: Michael Vogel <vogel_michael(a)gmx.net>
Hallo Listenmitglieder, ich suche Ahnen und Daten von : >Beate Gerdes * 20.10.1782 in Wardenburg +05.04.1821 in Littel Verheiratet mit Hermann Anton Otten am 12.06.1807 Vater von Beate Gerdes war Heinrich Gerdes Mit freundlichen Grüßen Michael ( Vogel )
Date: 2007/02/06 23:35:09
From: Bernhard Struckmann <Bernhard.Struckmann(a)t-online.de>
Monatliches Treffen des Arbeitskreises Familienforschung Osnabrück e.V. 10. Februar 2007 14.00 Uhr Landhaus Mehring Iburgerstr. 240 Osnabrück-Nahne Dr. Nicolas Rügge, Staatsarchiv Osnabrück: "Genealogische Quellen im Staatsarchiv Osnabrück" Der Referent, Archivrat am Staatsarchiv Osnabrück, wird zunächst kurz auf die sachliche und regionale Zuständigkeit des Staatsarchivs eingehen: Welche Arten von Schriftgut aus welchen Regionen sind im Staatsarchiv Osnabrück zu erwarten? Danach werden die wesentlichen "genealogischen Akten- produzenten" bzw. Bestände und Quellengattungen vorgestellt. Zum Schluß präsentiert Dr. Rügge das von ihm erstellte Inventar über die genealogischen Quellen im Staatsarchiv Osnabrück. Arbeitskreises Familienforschung Osnabrück e.V. http://www.osfa.de
Date: 2007/02/07 19:30:45
From: Jan & John King <scooter(a)cruzio.com>
Hello - I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting the Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall. Could anyone provide suggestions as to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer families from that region. Thank you in advance for your assistance, Janice King
Date: 2007/02/07 21:24:40
From: franz-josef.wilgen <franz-josef.wilgen(a)ewetel.net>
Date: 2007/02/07 22:50:35
From: Ruth Decker <ruth.decker(a)gmx.de>
Hello -
I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting the
Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall. Could anyone provide suggestions as
to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the
civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer
families from that region.
Thank you in advance for your assistance, Janice King Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Hallo, versuchen sie mal unter
Date: 2007/02/08 02:22:21
From: Ykoiwa <Ykoiwa(a)aol.com>
Ruth, I saw your email re: your plans to visit Oldenburg in the fall. You have the language skills, but unfortunately I don't.(even tho my grandfather and other ancestors came from Germany). I have a disc language set, but German pronunciation is a bit tricky. Do you have any idea about how difficult it would be for my wife and I to get around in that area. We visited the city of Kehl in 2004(near Stasburg) and the village of Helmlingen where my grandfather came from. It was a bit of a struggle to survive for a week, but we did and enjoyed the time very much. We have an ancestor who came from Dorum and his wife who came from Beverstedt. These are the two places we hope to visit, possibly in the fall of this year, October. Any thoughts? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Karl E. Wahl Bellevue, WA
Date: 2007/02/08 03:40:54
From: David Otto <ddotto(a)adelphia.net>
Karl, You didn't ask me but when I was in Germany in the late 1970s everyone under the age of 40 spoke very good English. I think they are required to take several years of it in school. Good luck, Dave -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Ykoiwa(a)aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:22 PM To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records Ruth, I saw your email re: your plans to visit Oldenburg in the fall. You have the language skills, but unfortunately I don't.(even tho my grandfather and other ancestors came from Germany). I have a disc language set, but German pronunciation is a bit tricky. Do you have any idea about how difficult it would be for my wife and I to get around in that area. We visited the city of Kehl in 2004(near Stasburg) and the village of Helmlingen where my grandfather came from. It was a bit of a struggle to survive for a week, but we did and enjoyed the time very much. We have an ancestor who came from Dorum and his wife who came from Beverstedt. These are the two places we hope to visit, possibly in the fall of this year, October. Any thoughts? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Karl E. Wahl Bellevue, WA Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/08 17:02:49
From: Bernd Blömer <bernd.bloemer(a)ewetel.net>
suche die Eltern von :
Friedrich Wilgen geb. 13.03.1870 in Kleinenkneten
woher kamen seine Eltern und wann und wo sind Sie geboren.
Vieleicht können Sie mir bei meinen Nachforschungen weiter helfen.
Vielen Dank im voraus
mfg
Franz-Josef Wilgen
Nikolausdorf 07.02.07 Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/08 17:03:54
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Janice, under the website: http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/ you can find the download for death records of Cloppenburg area (big pdf file). It called DVD Totenzettel und Sterbebilder: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pdf There you can find: Karnbrock (for Karneboge), Tinnermann, Hülskamp and Meyer. Good luck and greetings from Ruth Decker Translated by Werner Honkomp > Hello - > I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting > the > Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall. Could anyone provide suggestions as > to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the > civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer > families from that region. > Thank you in advance for your assistance, > Janice King > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/08 18:17:35
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Dorum and Beverstedt are located near Bremerhaven - check hannover-list: http://www.beverstedt.de/ http://www.dorum.de/ Werner > Ruth, > I saw your email re: your plans to visit Oldenburg in the fall. You have > the > language skills, but unfortunately I don't.(even tho my grandfather and > other ancestors came from Germany). > I have a disc language set, but German pronunciation is a bit tricky. > Do you have any idea about how difficult it would be for my wife and I to > get around in that area. We visited the city of Kehl in 2004(near > Stasburg) > and the village of Helmlingen where my grandfather came from. It was a > bit of > a struggle to survive for a week, but we did and enjoyed the time very > much. > We have an ancestor who came from Dorum and his wife who came from > Beverstedt. These are the two places we hope to visit, possibly in the > fall of this > year, October. > Any thoughts? Any thoughts would be appreciated. > Karl E. Wahl > Bellevue, WA > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/08 22:07:38
From: Donna in Houston <thegypsies(a)yahoo.com>
Ernst August THEILENGERDES was born 22 February 1884. He and his brother Fritz or Friedrich (born 23 January 1879), sister, Johanne or Johanna (born 17 February 1882), their mother Anna (maiden name HEINJE or HEINJES--born approximately 1850-1860, and married in 1876), and father Georg Gerhard Theilengerdes (born 5 July 1848) emigrated to America on 30 September 1888 on a ship named the "Saale". They landed in New York on October 15, 1888. The family settled in the state of Texas. When the brothers filed naturalization papers to become citizens of the United States, they indicated that they had come from Grand Dulcy, Greater Oldenburg, Germany.
In 1890, Georg Gerhard Theilengerdes was a witness at the second marriage of the widow Helene Sophie Theilengerdes OELTJENDIERS. It is possible that Mr. Theilengerdes was a relative of the bride.
The families belonged to Lutheran churches in Texas.
I would appreciate any help in finding where these families lived in Greater Oldenburg.
Thank you,
Donna Seidel, Houston, Texas, USA (e-mail: thegypsies (at) yahoo.com)
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Date: 2007/02/08 23:09:36
From: Ernst Heinje <ernst.heinje(a)ewetel.net>
Donna
In my database I have the following
- Anna Heinje, *12.04.1845 Edewecht, Parents are Hermann Diedrich Heinje and
Sophie Margarete Röbber
- Anna Heinje, *03.07.1840 Aschhausen, Parents are Anna Margarete
Hobbie-Janssen
Unfortunately there are no more data on marriage and husbands.
Do you have any names of the parents of your Anna Heinje. If so I could
provide some of the ancestors of your Anna.
Ernst Heinje
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net
[mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Donna in Houston
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 22:07
An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
Betreff: [OL] THEILENGERDES, HEINJE or HEINJES, OELTJENDIERS
Ernst August THEILENGERDES was born 22 February 1884. He and his brother
Fritz or Friedrich (born 23 January 1879), sister, Johanne or Johanna (born
17 February 1882), their mother Anna (maiden name HEINJE or HEINJES--born
approximately 1850-1860, and married in 1876), and father Georg Gerhard
Theilengerdes (born 5 July 1848) emigrated to America on 30 September 1888
on a ship named the "Saale". They landed in New York on October 15, 1888.
The family settled in the state of Texas. When the brothers filed
naturalization papers to become citizens of the United States, they
indicated that they had come from Grand Dulcy, Greater Oldenburg, Germany.
In 1890, Georg Gerhard Theilengerdes was a witness at the second
marriage of the widow Helene Sophie Theilengerdes OELTJENDIERS. It is
possible that Mr. Theilengerdes was a relative of the bride.
The families belonged to Lutheran churches in Texas.
I would appreciate any help in finding where these families lived in
Greater Oldenburg.
Thank you,
Donna Seidel, Houston, Texas, USA (e-mail: thegypsies (at) yahoo.com)
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Date: 2007/02/09 15:25:37
From: betty . krull <betty.krull(a)freenet.de>
Liebe Mittglieder, In Amsterdam heiratet am 12-2-1845 Hendrica van Beek ,Bernardus Janning geboren 11-9-1815 Neukirchen Preuschen Sohn von Johannes Hermanus Janning und Margaretha Elisabeth Jannning. Ob von die beiden die Name Janning ist, oder nur von Margaretha Elisabeth das ist die frage. Hat jemand mehre informationen über die beide, und aus welche Neu (e) kirche (n) kommen die. Vielen dank im Voraus, Betty Krull -- Martin en Betty Krull Raiffeisenstrasse 5 49832 Beesten Dld 05905-945175
Date: 2007/02/09 15:31:01
From: Timo Kracke <timo(a)kracke.org>
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Date: 2007/02/09 17:11:12
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hallo Betty, der Name Janning kommt in Neuenkirchen/Oldenburg nicht vor. Aber in Neuenkirchen bei Rheine / Bad Bentheim ist Name im Telefonbuch 25 mal vertreten. Viel Glück, Werner > Liebe Mittglieder, > In Amsterdam heiratet am 12-2-1845 Hendrica van Beek ,Bernardus > Janning geboren 11-9-1815 Neukirchen Preuschen > Sohn von Johannes Hermanus Janning und Margaretha Elisabeth Jannning. > Ob von die beiden die Name Janning ist, oder nur von Margaretha > Elisabeth das ist die frage. > Hat jemand mehre informationen über die beide, und aus welche Neu (e) > kirche (n) kommen die. > Vielen dank im Voraus, > Betty Krull > -- > Martin en Betty Krull > Raiffeisenstrasse 5 > 49832 Beesten Dld > 05905-945175 > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/09 17:52:03
From: klausgrete <Klausgrete(a)gmx.de>
Date: 2007/02/09 23:26:51
From: Linda Boorom <lboorom(a)fuse.net>
Werner, Thank you so much for translating this. I, for one, only have the very basics in the german language, if you could even call it that :-) date born married or died, the town (somtimes) parents, witness or spouse. Are there other German databases online out there for us to search? At this point my several ancestors seem to be in the area's of Visbek, Goldenstedt, Langforden, Oythe, Vechta, Wildeshausen, Emstek & areas not looked at yet may include Vestrup & Bakum. Linda Boorom Cincinnati Ancestors include Eilers, Engelstrate, Dünhöft, Frese/Freese, Hellmann, Hogeback, Kühling, Luetmann, Menke, Nehues/Neihaus, Rentze, Repking, Schulte, Wilkens and .......... Currently working on Dünhöft in Cincinnati & Covington from "Oldenburg" & have set up a web page here: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~boorom/dunhoft/dunhoft.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Werner Honkomp" <werner(a)honkomp.de> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records Hello Janice, under the website: http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/ you can find the download for death records of Cloppenburg area (big pdf file). It called DVD Totenzettel und Sterbebilder: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pdf There you can find: Karnbrock (for Karneboge), Tinnermann, Hülskamp and Meyer. Good luck and greetings from Ruth Decker Translated by Werner Honkomp > Hello - > I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting > the > Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall. Could anyone provide suggestions as > to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the > civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer > families from that region. > Thank you in advance for your assistance, > Janice King > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/10 13:53:12
From: Werner Garbade <apotheke.dreihausen(a)vr-web.de>
Date: 2007/02/10 14:28:14
From: REPKINGRON <REPKINGRON(a)aol.com>
Linda, I see my surname, REPKING, on your list. Many of my ancestors came from Oldenburg. The REPKING branch came from Oythe. With some help from this list, I have traced them back to 1440. Over the past few years, I transcribed some of the baptism records for The Church of The Blessed Virgin in Oythe, now called St Marien. I am up to 1730. Recently, I completed a translation of a pamphlet entitled "Geschichte der Kirche und Pfarrei St. Marien in Oythe", "History of the Church and Parish of St Mary in Oythe". The author is Günter Meyer, Oythe - ö 1992 Vechta Druckerei und Verlag Sonderdruck aus Beitrage zur Geschichte der Stadt Vechta. If you are interested, I can send you a copy of the translation, and/or baptisms. My NEEHUES/NIEHAUS come from Bokel, amt Cloppenburg, Oldenburg and are found in the church book for Cappeln, amt Cloppenburg, Oldenburg - St Peter und Paul Catholic Church. Please contact me off line and we can exchange information. Ronald J Repking Repkingron(a)aol.com Flossmoor, Illinois In a message dated 2/9/07 4:27:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, lboorom(a)fuse.net writes: Werner, Thank you so much for translating this. I, for one, only have the very basics in the german language, if you could even call it that :-) date born married or died, the town (somtimes) parents, witness or spouse. Are there other German databases online out there for us to search? At this point my several ancestors seem to be in the area's of Visbek, Goldenstedt, Langforden, Oythe, Vechta, Wildeshausen, Emstek & areas not looked at yet may include Vestrup & Bakum. Linda Boorom Cincinnati Ancestors include Eilers, Engelstrate, Dünhöft, Frese/Freese, Hellmann, Hogeback, Kühling, Luetmann, Menke, Nehues/Neihaus, Rentze, Repking, Schulte, Wilkens and .......... Currently working on Dünhöft in Cincinnati & Covington from "Oldenburg" & have set up a web page here: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~boorom/dunhoft/dunhoft.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Werner Honkomp" <werner(a)honkomp.de> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [OL] Oldenburg Records Hello Janice, under the website: http://www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de/ you can find the download for death records of Cloppenburg area (big pdf file). It called DVD Totenzettel und Sterbebilder: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/OGF/pdf/totenzettel_personenregister.pdf There you can find: Karnbrock (for Karneboge), Tinnermann, Hülskamp and Meyer. Good luck and greetings from Ruth Decker Translated by Werner Honkomp > Hello - > I am researching information on the Karneboge line and plan on visiting > the > Oldenburg/Cloppenburg area this Fall. Could anyone provide suggestions as > to the agencies or offices one might visit in order to view some of the > civil and/or church records for the Karneboge/Tinnerman/Hülskamp/Meyer > families from that region. > Thank you in advance for your assistance, > Janice King > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > _http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l_ (http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l)
Date: 2007/02/10 15:03:20
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hallo Namensvetter,
ich empfehle folgendes Buch zu kaufen "Essener Bauernhöfe und ihre Familien" von C.B. Bröring:
Dort steht u.a.:
Anna Adelheid, geb. 19.12.1789
Eltern: Joan Anton Hoyer gt. Albers-Ostendorf, Vollerbe bei Essen
und Anna Catharina Elisabeth Schade aus Wiek-Essen
In diesem Buch ist der gesamte Stammbaum des Hofes Albers-Ostendorf von 1665 - 1930 dokumetiert.
Das Buch mit 815 Seiten kann bestellt werden bei:
Clemens Bröring
Am Deich 15
49610 Quakenbrück
Viele Grüße,
Werner Honkomp
> Liebe Oldenburg-Listies!
> Zunächst möchte ich mich als neu angemeldet vorstellen:
> Werner Garbade
> Bremer Mausmitglied, wohnhaft im Marburger Land.
> Hauptsächlich mit Bremer, Hannoveraner und Vorfahren aus dem Osnabrücker
> Bereich auf meiner Seite,
> Ostfriesen und Emsländer und Bergische Ahnen bei meiner Frau!
> Dabei bleibt die Berührung mit dem Oldenburger Gebiet nicht aus.
> Meine erste Frage betrifft aus der Ahnentafel meiner Frau:
> Anna Adelheid HOYER get. 19.2.1789 Essen i.O.
> Paten: Anna Adelheid Pott g.
> Hoyer, Rudolf Caspar Schade
> oo 20.11.1811 Quakenbrück mit
> Johannes Joseph Bertling
> + 17.8.1853 Quakenbrück
> Von Ihren Eltern habe ich nur folgende Angaben:
> Johann Anton Hoyer, Procurator, auf Albers Hof bei Essen i.O.
> oo 1785 Anna Catharina Maria SCHADE
> Wer kann mir bei diesem Ehepaar weiterhelfen?
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Werner (Garbade)
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> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net
> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2007/02/10 16:45:43
From: Jürgen Hausfeld <Juergen.Hausfeld(a)T-online.de>
Man müßte versuchen genauere Angaben zu finden. MFG Jürgen Hausfeld, Münster
Date: 2007/02/10 18:52:13
From: betty . krull <betty.krull(a)freenet.de>
Hallo Jürgen, Das ist leider alles was ich an Informationen habe. es steht auf die Heirat Urkunde von Bernardus. Grüße Betty ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: [OL] Genealogie Janning Gesendet: Sa 10 Feb 2007 16:46:10 CET Von: "Jürgen Hausfeld"<Juergen.Hausfeld(a)T-online.de> > Hallo Betty und Werner, > der Name Janning taucht im Osnabrückerland relativ heufig auf. Es kann > sich natürlich um Neuenkirchen bei Rheine handeln, aber auch um > Neuenkirchen i/O. > > Man müßte versuchen genauere Angaben zu finden. > MFG > Jürgen Hausfeld, Münster > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > --- original Nachricht Ende ----
Date: 2007/02/11 17:53:09
From: Karla Nurnberg <muessidenn(a)yahoo.com>
Dear Listers,
We are seeking information regarding a Bernard or Bernhard FLOTTEMERSCH, who was probably born in Oldenburg. His great-grandson uses the surname Flatmus and we were having some difficulty deciding what the original surname was until we posted a query to the Hamilton County, Ohio mailing list at www.rootsweb.com. Several listers were vey helpful to us and one gentleman sent information about a woman with the FLOTTEMERSCH surname from Wehbergen. I checked the German phone directory for that spelling and the variant ones, but I could find nothing. What is the correct spelling of this name?
Thank you for any and all help.
Karla Nurnberg
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Date: 2007/02/11 20:26:25
From: Bernd Blömer <bernd.bloemer(a)ewetel.net>
Liebe Listenteilnehmer, hiermit möchte ich mich als Neumitglied vorstellen: Ich heiße Heinrich Klausgrete, bin 51 Jahre alt und wohne in NRW (Hilden). Ich forsche nach den Namen Klausgrete, Clausgrete, Klausgrethe, sowie weiteren anderen schreibweisen mit Bindestrich aus dem Großraum Essen i.O. sowie Möller und Heuermann aus dem Raum Cloppenburg.
Wer kann mir weiterhelfen?
Danke und viele Grüße Heinrich Klausgrete
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Date: 2007/02/12 00:04:04
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Karla, the origin of Flottemesch is Neuenkirchen in Oldenburg province. Here some emigration records of the former Amt Damme (like a county): Flottemesch, Bernd zu Neuenkirchen, 1 person, emigrated 1843 from Neuenkir