oldenburg-l - Nachricht 2006-12 00051

[mstulken <mstulken(a)wi.net>]

Thank you, Fred.  That's most fascinating.

There must also have been windmills farther south, too—in Spain.  Wasn't
Don Quixote fighting with windmills at one point?

Marilyn



> If I may jump in here - Holland had lots of windmills as did other
> parts of northern Germany. When there was a water stream available
> they also did the water wheel thing.
>
> You have to remember that Holland as well as Germany are relatively
> new political states but the people have lived there for many, many
> centuries and have a common heritage. Where Holland (or better, the
> Netherlands) are today the people spoke low German and culturally
> there wasn't much difference between the people living along the North
> Sea coastline. They all shared the same wind. :-)
>
> Still, windmills were already in use along the coast in the 14th
> century. These early mills had to be manually turned toward the wind.
> The real development over the centuries over earlier middle Eastern
> mills was the continuous technology improvement of the sails. This was
> a roughly 500 year development cycle and then came motorized mills.
>
> I've read up a little on early mills because my name may have it's
> origin in the job of keeping the mill turned to the wind. As the wind
> shifted the wooden rump of the mill had to be turned. Normally this
> was a large chuck of a tree and a part of it's root - sort of like an
> L which could be turned. The English also called this a tailpole or
> tiller beam but an older word goes back the rump of a tree, the Rumpf
> in German. The miller and the rumper typically lived in the mill which
> had several floors for the various milling functions and living
> quarters. We find the name Rump and various versions thereof in areas
> where mills existed over time. I have a feeling the name stuck to some
> of the people who worked the mill just as Miller/Müller has become
> such a popular name.
>
> BTW there is evidence of early windmills in 12th century England. The
> mills listed in the earlier doomsday book were probably animal or
> water driven mills. It took a bit more technology to get the sails
> moving up top. See
> http://www.building-history.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Buildings/Mills.htm
> for sources in English.
>
> To sum up, while Holland has many picturesque windmills, so does
> Germany. In the north many a village has saved one or more of their
> old windmills as historical artifacts to remind people of what used to
> be. Without a mill no one would have been able to survive. The grain
> was ground to flower and the baker then produced te bread which people
> ate to live on. There must have been thousands upon thousands of them
> all over the place.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/06, ZARSE MARY <marygz(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Hallo Joachim,
>> Thank you for your response. Could you answer this
>> question?  Was the state of Oldenburg influenced by
>> Holland more that other German states? I noticed pics
>> of windmills around Ganderkesee and many names appear
>> to be from Holland.
>>
>> Mary Zarse
>>
>> --- Joachim Ostendorf <home(a)nordstyle.de> wrote:
>>
>> > Hallo Mary,
>> >
>> > "Heurel" meens a surname ... maybe a dutch name
>> >
>> > Joachim Ostendorf
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>> >   From: Mary Zarse
>> >   To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net
>> >   Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:18 AM
>> >   Subject: [OL] German words
>> >
>> >
>> >   Hello,
>> >   Excuse my ignorance but....
>> >     an ancestor of mine is Arend Friedrich Schuette
>> > from Burstel. His
>> >   father was Johann Hinrich Schuette (Schulhalter).
>> >
>> >   My question is: What does Schulhalter stand for?
>> >
>> >   Also, his wife was Anna Catharine geb. Oetken
>> > Heurel 1796.
>> >   My question is: what does Heurel stand for?
>> >
>> >   Maybe it's the name of the mother. Man, this gets
>> > confusing.
>> >
>> >   Mary Zarse
>> >   USA
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