Date: 2006/10/01 01:16:32
From: Martina Hüner <oldenburg(a)djoefull.de>
Was genau soll ich mir darunter vorstellen? Ich finde im Netz zwar eine Abhandlung über Leiterwagen, irgendwo anders wird auch ein "völliger Brautwagen" zitiert, eine Erklärung finde ich leider nirgends. Ein solcher kommt in einem Testament aus dem Jahre 1850 vor. Testiert wurde von einem Halbbaumann im Amt Delmenhorst. An zwei Stellen (mehrere Töchter) ist davon die Rede, ein Verlesen ist ziemlich unwahrscheinlich. Liebe Grüße von der Nordseeküste Martina Hüner
Date: 2006/10/01 08:44:15
From: Michael Bünker <michael.buenker(a)ewetel.net>
hallo Martina, nach meinem Verständnis bezeichnet dieser Begriff einen Brautwagen mit einer kompletten Aussteuer. Es gab auch den Begriff "Aussteuerwagen". Ich empfehle Ihnen, sich einmal mit dem "Museumsdorf Cloppenburg" in Verbindung zu setzen. Viele Grüße Michael Bünker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martina Hüner" <oldenburg(a)djoefull.de> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:16 AM Subject: [OL] Völliger Brautwagen? > Was genau soll ich mir darunter vorstellen? > > Ich finde im Netz zwar eine Abhandlung über Leiterwagen, irgendwo anders > wird auch ein "völliger Brautwagen" zitiert, eine Erklärung finde ich > leider nirgends. > > Ein solcher kommt in einem Testament aus dem Jahre 1850 vor. Testiert > wurde von einem Halbbaumann im Amt Delmenhorst. An zwei Stellen (mehrere > Töchter) ist davon die Rede, ein Verlesen ist ziemlich unwahrscheinlich. > > Liebe Grüße von der Nordseeküste > Martina Hüner > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2006/10/01 09:37:29
From: n . ordemann <n.ordemann(a)infocity.de>
> hallo Martina, > nach meinem Verständnis bezeichnet dieser Begriff einen Brautwagen > mit einer kompletten Aussteuer. Es gab auch den Begriff "Aussteuerwagen". > Ich empfehle Ihnen, sich einmal mit dem "Museumsdorf Cloppenburg" in > Verbindung zu setzen. > Viele Grüße > Michael Bünker Googeln mit dem Begriff "völliger Brautwagen" liefert folgende Seite: http://tinyurl.com/p8w77 Interessant? Schönen Sonntag! Nikolaus (Ordemann) http://privat.genealogy.net/ordemann
Date: 2006/10/02 00:50:59
From: Betty & Jim Degen <degens(a)shaw.ca>
Hello, Seeking German ancestry of Hermann (husband)and Henrette Degen and two children emigrated to Australia on Ship "John Bertram" during 1871. May have dis embarked in Maryborough, Queensland on Decemeber 16 1871.Thanks.......James Degen
Date: 2006/10/02 22:53:41
From: Bobbi <bobbidoll123(a)gmail.com>
Hello, Seeking German ancestry of Hermann (husband)and Henrette Degen and two children emigrated to Australia on Ship "John Bertram" during 1871. May have dis embarked in Maryborough, Queensland on Decemeber 16 1871.Thanks.......James Degen Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2006/10/03 14:04:58
From: Andreas Karstens <ahnenforschung-karstens(a)web.de>
Hallo Listenteilnehmer/innen, da meine Website vor ein paar Wochen einem Hackerangriff zum Opfer gefallen ist, musste ich diese komplett neu erstellen. Das Resultat können Sie unter http://www.ahnenforschung-karstens.de sehen. Gruß aus Bremen und einen schönen restlichen Feiertag noch. Andreas Karstens
Date: 2006/10/03 20:00:43
From: Nora Hansen <norahansen(a)comcast.net>
I am researching the following, all born in Holle-Wusting: Rudolph Conrad SUHR born 17 May 1843 Gesine LEUTJEN born 28 Aug 1846 Anna WOUDENBORG born 1850s Herman Gerhard HEINEMANN born 12 Jan 1852 All but Anna emigrated to Nebraska in the U.S. Would appreciate any information on their German roots. Nora in California
Date: 2006/10/04 00:53:24
From: Uwe G Pommerening <ugpommerening(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste, wer kann Näheres zu der abgebildeten Person sagen? Sie könnte in den 60er Jahren in Oldenburg i/O gelebt haben und in den 40ern geboren sein. Die Mutter hieß vermutlich mit Vornamen Charlotte. Es gibt wohl auch eine Schwester mit Namen Helga Charlotte Toelle. Wo leben diese Personen heute? Bitte direkt antworten! Vielen Dank Mfg Uwe G. Pommerening http://www.questico.com/k3/listing_show.do?pagesize=10&totalpages=27&listing_no=81423&&startwith=10
Date: 2006/10/04 08:05:51
From: Doug Westerhaus <dwesterhaus(a)everestkc.net>
I am interested in discovering how my great-grandfather (Bernhard Henrich Westerhaus (born 1844) who immigrated from Neuenkirchen to Burns, Kansas via Cincinnati, Ohio, is related to the Taubke-Westerhaus family some of whom live in Minnesota, and others (including my dear friend Karl Taubke-Westerhaus) who still live in Germany. The Middendorf and Winner lines run through this ancestry. Any help will be appreciated! Thank you, Doug Westerhaus Overland Park, KS
Date: 2006/10/04 08:15:43
From: David <dahht(a)watchtv.net>
I am interested in discovering how my great-grandfather (Bernhard Henrich
Westerhaus (born 1844) who immigrated from Neuenkirchen to Burns, Kansas via
Cincinnati, Ohio, is related to the Taubke-Westerhaus family some of whom
live in Minnesota, and others (including my dear friend Karl
Taubke-Westerhaus) who still live in Germany. The Middendorf and Winner
lines run through this ancestry.
Any help will be appreciated!
Thank you,
Doug Westerhaus
Overland Park, KS
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Date: 2006/10/08 10:06:51
From: Pencz Kornél <kornelpencz(a)gmx.net>
Liebe Listenteilnehmer, ich bin neu auf der Liste, nur eines Ahns wegen habe ich mich angemeldet. Obwohl meine Vorfahren alle aus dem südwestdeutschen Raum kamen, hatte ich doch eine Vorfahre, Sabine Schemmering, deren Familienname ich im Münsterland gefunden habe. SABINE SCHEMMERING lebte mit ihrem Ehemann, Johann Wolfgang Zillhardt in Untermarchtal/Oberschwaben. Der Ehemann war der Vogt von Untermarchtal. Die ersten Kinder, deren Geburt ich in dem Kirchenbuch von Untermarchtal gefunden habe, sind in den 1640-er Jahren geboren. Sabine Schemmering sollte Anfang der 1650-er Jahre sterben, denn ihr Witwer heiratete 1654 wieder. Die Matrikeln des Ortes fangen leider erst in den 1640-er Jahren an. Ich war unsicher bei der Entzifferung ihres Namens, obwohl ich die alte deutsche Schrift ziemlich gut beherrsche. Offensichtlich wurde ihr Name mal Schemmering, mal Schemmernig, mal Schemmeringer geschrieben. Der Name ist total unbekannt in der Umgebung, einen anderen Namensträger, als sie, fand ich nicht. Es wäre schön, wenn Sie mir weiterhelfen könnten, vielleicht stammt meine Ahnin aus der Sippe Schemmering aus Oldenburg. Auf dem Internet angesehen mußte ich feststellen, daß dieser Name auch heute ganz selten vorkommt. Im Bücherverzeichnis der Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft für Familienkunde habe ich mehrere Bücher über die Sippe Schemmering von Hermann Thieden gesehen. Die sind aber nur Manuskripte. Könnte bitte Jemand in diesen Werke nachschlagen, ob Sabine Schemmering dieser Sippe angehört? Vielen Dank für Ihre Hilfe im Voraus! Mit freundlichen Grüßen: Dr. Kornel Pencz aus Ungarn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 2006.10.07.
Date: 2006/10/08 11:06:12
From: Womartens <Womartens(a)aol.com>
Liebe Mitglieder und Listenteilnehmer, am Sonnabend, dem 14. Oktober 2006, findet um 16.00 Uhr der erste Vortrag der Saison 2006/2007 der Oldenburgischen Gesellschaft für Familienkunde e.V. im Vortragsraum des Staatsarchivs Oldenburg (Damm 43) statt. Parkplätze sind hinter dem Gebäude und an der Kanalstrasse vorhanden, der Eintritt ist frei. Referentin ist Frau Dr. Julia Schulte to Bühne (Cloppenburg) und das Thema lautet: "Hofarchive - Bäuerliche Kulturschätze". Hofarchive geben Einblicke in die Alltagsgeschichte eines Hofes und der Region. Sie bringen Licht in das Dunkel von Bauernhöfen, erhellen die täglich anfallenden Arbeiten und das Leben der Bewohner. Daher freut sich die Stiftung Kulturschatz Bauernhof, dass sie bei ihren Projekten immer wieder Kulturschätze in Form von Hofarchiven heben kann. Am Beispiel zweier Hofarchiven aus dem Artland und der Wildeshauser Geest wird die Arbeit der Stiftung Kulturschatz Bauernhof vorgestellt. Die Stiftung Kulturschatz Bauernhof setzt sich seit über acht Jahren für den Erhalt bäuerlicher Kulturschätze ein. Denn wie kaum andere gestalten die Bauernhöfe das Gesicht der Landschaft. Genau wie Adelssitze, Kirchen oder bürgerliche Profanbauten gehören sie zu unserem Kulturerbe. Zu Unrecht stehen die Bauernhöfe im Schatten dieser Bauten. Denn ihre Architektur, die von Backsteingotik über Renaissanceanlagen bis hin zu Historismusbauten reicht, ist vielseitig, facettenreich und faszinierend. Und wie das äußere Erscheinungsbild ist auch das Innere der Häuser beeindruckend. Für viele unbekannt beherbergen die Höfe zwischen Nordsee und Teutoburger Wald wahre Kulturschätze. Neben Möbeln und Gemälden sind vor allem die Hofarchive und Bibliotheken die wichtigen Zeugnisse für das Standesbewusstsein sowie die schriftliche und sprachliche Beweglichkeit der ländlichen Bevölkerung. Mit freundlichen Grüssen Wolfgang Martens www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de
Date: 2006/10/08 23:51:07
From: Walter Fleischauer <Walter.Fleischauer(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Herr Dr. Pencz, die von Ihnen erwähnte Sabine kommt in den Schemmering Unterlagen von H. Thieden nicht vor. Der Vorname Sabine war hier bei den Schemmerings auch überhaupt nicht gebräuchlich. H. Thieden führt die hiesige Familie Schemmering auf einen Johann Schemeringh zurück der im Kapitalschatzungsregister um 1593 in der Herrlichkeit Gödens vorkommt. Nachkommen von ihm nennen sich dann Schemmering. Fachmann für Schemmering ist der pensionierte Studienrat und Historiker Hugo Stockter in Wilhelmshaven - Schopenhauerstraße, der u.a. die "Stammfolge Krechting" und "Die Schemering aus dem Münsterland" verfasst hat. Soweit mir bekannt ist besitzt er auch Internetzugang, seine Emailadresse kenne ich aber leider nicht. Gruss Walter Fleischauer > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l- > bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von Pencz Kornél > Gesendet: Sonntag, 8. Oktober 2006 10:07 > An: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net > Betreff: [OL] Schemmering > > Liebe Listenteilnehmer, > > > > ich bin neu auf der Liste, nur eines Ahns wegen habe ich mich angemeldet. > > > > Obwohl meine Vorfahren alle aus dem südwestdeutschen Raum kamen, hatte ich > doch eine Vorfahre, Sabine Schemmering, deren Familienname ich im > Münsterland gefunden habe. > > > > SABINE SCHEMMERING lebte mit ihrem Ehemann, Johann Wolfgang Zillhardt in > Untermarchtal/Oberschwaben. Der Ehemann war der Vogt von Untermarchtal. > Die > ersten Kinder, deren Geburt ich in dem Kirchenbuch von Untermarchtal > gefunden habe, sind in den 1640-er Jahren geboren. Sabine Schemmering > sollte Anfang der 1650-er Jahre sterben, denn ihr Witwer heiratete 1654 > wieder. Die Matrikeln des Ortes fangen leider erst in den 1640-er Jahren > an. >
Date: 2006/10/09 18:16:23
From: Lothar Grafe <haesli2(a)yahoo.com>
Sehr geehrter Herr Martens, gerne wäre ich zu der ersten Vortragsveranstaltung der Saison 2006/07 gekommen, wenn es nicht mit der Veranstaltung unseres Vereins zusammenfiele (wir haben dort Versammlung und es wird dort auch einen Vortrag geben). Gibt es nähere Informationen, wo und wie man z. B. an Hofarchiven im Oldenburger Münsterland kommen kann? In den "Revieren" (Landkreise Cloppenburg und Vechta) sind meine Vorfahren "anzutreffen gewesen". Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lothar Grafe --- Womartens(a)aol.com wrote: > > Liebe Mitglieder und Listenteilnehmer, > > am Sonnabend, dem 14. Oktober 2006, findet um 16.00 > Uhr der erste Vortrag > der Saison 2006/2007 der Oldenburgischen > Gesellschaft für Familienkunde e.V. im > Vortragsraum des Staatsarchivs Oldenburg (Damm 43) > statt. > Parkplätze sind hinter dem Gebäude und an der > Kanalstrasse vorhanden, der > Eintritt ist frei. > > > Referentin ist Frau Dr. Julia Schulte to Bühne > (Cloppenburg) > und das Thema lautet: "Hofarchive - Bäuerliche > Kulturschätze". > > Hofarchive geben Einblicke in die Alltagsgeschichte > eines Hofes und der > Region. Sie bringen Licht in das Dunkel von > Bauernhöfen, erhellen die täglich > anfallenden Arbeiten und das Leben der Bewohner. > > Daher freut sich die Stiftung Kulturschatz > Bauernhof, dass sie bei ihren > Projekten immer wieder Kulturschätze in Form von > Hofarchiven heben kann. Am > Beispiel zweier Hofarchiven aus dem Artland und der > Wildeshauser Geest wird die > Arbeit der Stiftung Kulturschatz Bauernhof > vorgestellt. > > Die Stiftung Kulturschatz Bauernhof setzt sich seit > über acht Jahren für den > Erhalt bäuerlicher Kulturschätze ein. Denn wie kaum > andere gestalten die > Bauernhöfe das Gesicht der Landschaft. Genau wie > Adelssitze, Kirchen oder > bürgerliche Profanbauten gehören sie zu unserem > Kulturerbe. > > Zu Unrecht stehen die Bauernhöfe im Schatten dieser > Bauten. Denn ihre > Architektur, die von Backsteingotik über > Renaissanceanlagen bis hin zu > Historismusbauten reicht, ist vielseitig, > facettenreich und faszinierend. Und wie das > äußere Erscheinungsbild ist auch das Innere der > Häuser beeindruckend. > > Für viele unbekannt beherbergen die Höfe zwischen > Nordsee und Teutoburger > Wald wahre Kulturschätze. Neben Möbeln und Gemälden > sind vor allem die > Hofarchive und Bibliotheken die wichtigen Zeugnisse > für das Standesbewusstsein sowie > die schriftliche und sprachliche Beweglichkeit der > ländlichen Bevölkerung. > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüssen > Wolfgang Martens > www.familienkunde-oldenburg.de > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > I am researching for; Grafe-Rensen-Thien-Nienaber-Kuhlmann-Bahlmann-Wesselmann-Westerkamp-Frye-Frieling-Grave-Klünemann-Hoyer-Averbeck-Jaspers-Vorwerk-Brinkmann-Ostendorf-Wübbelmann-(they all come from the area; Cloppenburg-Emstek-Molbergen-Vestrup-Bakum_Langförden) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Date: 2006/10/09 21:51:40
From: Dirk Oltmanns <mail(a)hollwege.com>
Hallo, eine Vorfahrin von mir ist: Anna Eilers *14.2.1812 Westerstede, + 2.5.1849 Hollwege (filia Gastwirt Johann Eilers und Anna Sophie Meyerhollander) vh. I.: 10.7.1835 Westerstede: Johann Diedrich Hobbieoltmanns *28.5.1808 Hollwege, +9.3.1836 Hollwege, Ehe blieb kinderlos. vh. II.: 15.9.1837 Westerstede: Eilerd Oltmanns *5.9.1810 Edewecht, +18.7.1870 Hollwege (Schwindsucht). Köter, Höker und Gastwirt zu Hollwege, vh. II.: 29.4.1851 Wübke Helene Oltmer *2.3.1825 Osterscheps, +24.3.1903 Hollwege (filia Gastwirt Christian Oltmer und Anna Maria Bünting) hat jemand nähere Daten zu Johann Eilers und seinen Vorfahren in Westerstede? weitere Daten zur Familie: Die Familie Eilers hatte in Westerstede eine Hofstelle direkt am alten Markt. Als hier 1815 viele Häuser in Westerstede abbrannten, wurde auch das Haus von Eilers ein Raub der Flammen. Als es an den Wiederaufbau ging, gestaltete der Amtmann von Negelein den Marktplatz und die Straßenführungen neu und die Familie wurde gezwungen auszusiedeln. Bei der Pest 1666 starben Johann Eilers und die Söhne Ötje und Eilert, sowie die Tochter Hille. Nur der Sohn Gerd blieb am Leben. 1679 hatte Gerd Eilers 43 Reichstaler bares Geld im Haus. Die Hofstelle wird bei Baasen wie folgt gelistet: 1632 Gerdt, 1653 Joh., 1681 Gerd, 1693 Gerd, 1739 Gerd, 1750 Renke, 1762 Christian, 1808 Joh., 1854 Joh. Fr. Chr. Eilers, 1881 D. Ebcken Erben, 1927 August Dierks Erben (Westerloyer Hof). Da Anna Eilers 1812 in der französischen Zeit geboren wurde, gibt es folgende Geburtsurkunde: Heute den Sechszehnten des Monats Februar im Jahre Eintausend Achthundert und Zwölf des Nachmittags um Ein und Einhalb Uhr vor uns Maire und Beamte des Civilstandes der Gemeinde Westerstede des Cantons Westerstede Departement der Wesermündung erschien Johann Eilers alt Dreißig und Sechs Jahre, Landmann zu Westerstede der uns ein Kind weiblichen Geschlechts vorgezeiget hat welches den Vierzehenten des Monats Februar des Nachmittags um Zwey Uhr geboren und von seiner Ehefrau Anna Sophie geborene Strömers [Anna Sophie Eilers war Tochter des Tönjes Meyerhollander und der Helene Strömers] mit ihm erzeugt worden und welches er den Vornamen Anna zu geben willens sey. Die gesagte Erklärung und Vorzeigung ist in Gegenwart des Gerd Portmann alt Funfzig und Sechs Jahre Köter zu Westerstede und Johann Friederich Friederich Vogts Johanns alt Vierzig und Sieben Jahre, Schneider zu Westerstede geschehen und haben der Vater und Zeugen gegenwärtige Geburts mit nach dem derselbe ihnen vorgelesen worden mit uns unterschrieben. Gerd Portmann, Johann Eilers, Johann Friederich Vogts Jans, der Maire [Unterschrift] wäre für weitere Informationen über Joh. Eilers und seine Vorfahren sehr dankbar Mit freundlichen Grüßen Dirk Oltmanns www.hollwege.com
Date: 2006/10/10 02:39:21
From: marge christensen <margechristensen(a)netzero.net>
Hello Dirk Oltmans, I have in my records: Talke Lene Meyer-Hollander, DOB 14 Aug 1781 in Westerloy...her parents: Vater - Tonjas (Strömer) Hollander DOB 28 Mar 1755 in Lindern, Oldenberg...Mutter - Helene Thielen DOB 14 Dec 1747 Westerloy... Do these people connect with yours? Are they the same but with different spellings of names? I do have Eylers also... Please disregard this email if this is not relevant...I do not understand German... Regards, M. Christensen
Date: 2006/10/10 14:32:36
From: Jürgen Bünger <juergen-buenger(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Listenteilnehmer/innen, hat jemand zufällig Informationen zu nachstehenden Personen: Gerd Bünger geboren ? gestorben ? verheiratet (wann/wo?) mit Christina Meyer (Meier) geboren ? gestorben ? Kinder: Hermann Bünger geboren etwa 1842 in Scharrel gestorben 05.06.1922 in Valthermond (Drente, Niederlande) Gruß aus Cloppenburg Jürgen Bünger
Date: 2006/10/10 18:14:02
From: Margot King <margot.king(a)ca.inter.net>
Date: 2006/10/10 18:32:02
From: Christopher Grote <cgrote(a)rush.edu>
What were Progymasia? Incidentally, my grandparents were born about 1900 into families who owned small farms near Osnabruck or Visbek. Each had about a 6th or 8th grade education I was told. Grandma was raised to be a cook and a maid; Grandpa apparently became a wagon wheel maker and one of his wagons is still in the barn there in Erlte. I'm guessing these were traditional school/career outcomes for that time. CG -----Original Message----- From: oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:oldenburg-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Margot King Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:14 AM To: Oldenburg-L Subject: [OL] Primary/Secondary Schools in Damme? I'm back again with what probably is another simple-minded question but the list members have been so generous with their answers to my other questions that I'm hoping that perhaps someone can help me out. What kind of education would the children of the Heuerleute in Oldenburg have had in the middle of the nineteenth century? My great great grandfather (Johann Heinrich Bergmann) was a tenant farmer in Damme but only a few years after the family's arrival in the U.S. in 1870, he was on the school board in Stearns County MN and his daughter, my great grandmother Berardina, was the first teacher in one of the small district schools there. She must have had some kind of schooling but would it have been enough for her to teach? I know that there were Progymasia all over Germany at the time but am not sure how the Heuerleute would have fit into this scheme or indeed whether she would have attended such a school. I'd be most grateful for any help in this area and/or suggestions for further reading. Margot King Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2006/10/10 19:12:55
From: mstulken <mstulken(a)wi.net>
I don't know what the schooling system was for sure. I think my g-grandfather attended the common schools through age 14. Regarding, teaching in small district schools in rural America, the country school I attended had lots of old books in a cabinet in the basement from the time when it had been a "normal school." As I understand it, the people who completed 8th grade there could do an additional year, after which they were prepared to teach. Marilyn > I'm back again with what probably is another simple-minded question but > the list members have been so generous with their answers to my other > questions that I'm hoping that perhaps someone can help me out. > > What kind of education would the children of the Heuerleute in > Oldenburg have had in the middle of the nineteenth century? My great > great grandfather (Johann Heinrich Bergmann) was a tenant farmer in > Damme but only a few years after the family's arrival in the U.S. in > 1870, he was on the school board in Stearns County MN and his daughter, > my great grandmother Berardina, was the first teacher in one of the > small district schools there. She must have had some kind of schooling > but would it have been enough for her to teach? I know that there were > Progymasia all over Germany at the time but am not sure how the > Heuerleute would have fit into this scheme or indeed whether she would > have attended such a school. > > I'd be most grateful for any help in this area and/or suggestions for > further reading. > > Margot King > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
Date: 2006/10/11 12:50:41
From: Michael G. Arenhoevel <M.G.Arenhoevel(a)t-online.de>
Liebe Listenleser,
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die Jahre 1837 - 1841 - 1845 - 1855 - 1862 - 1878 - 1888 und 1899 an. Hier
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Für das Jahr 1868 liegt eine CD-ROM vor, aus der auch Scans zugesandt werden
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Date: 2006/10/11 20:01:06
From: Sharon <chuckles22000(a)yahoo.com>
Hello List, I'm trying to trace my family back to Germany. The only information I have for my great granfather is as follows: George Edward Ostendorf b. May 1864, Germany. Family lore says Prussia. He came to the United States in 1881 according to thee census records I have in the states. Family claims he ran away from the German Army. The 1st time I could locate him was in the 1900 census for Butler, Ohio, Hamilton County. He was married to CLARA ELIZABETH DIEPHAUS from Twistringen, Germany. At that time they had 3 children. If anyone has any information it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Sharon Danek nee OSTENDORF Family Names; NORDLOH,LUHLMANN,ARNKENS,Kieselhorst,SCHLAKE,MEYER, ELLERHORST,SCHUTTE, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Date: 2006/10/11 20:53:56
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>
From: Sharon <chuckles22000(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: Oldenburg-L <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net Subject: [OL] GEORGE EDWARD OSTENDORF Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT)
Hello List, I'm trying to trace my family back to Germany. The only information I have for my great granfather is as follows: George Edward Ostendorf b. May 1864, Germany. Family lore says Prussia. He came to the United States in 1881 according to thee census records I have in the states. Family claims he ran away from the German Army. The 1st time I could locate him was in the 1900 census for Butler, Ohio, Hamilton County. He was married to CLARA ELIZABETH DIEPHAUS from Twistringen, Germany. At that time they had 3 children. If anyone has any information it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance. Sharon Danek nee OSTENDORF
Family Names; NORDLOH,LUHLMANN,ARNKENS,Kieselhorst,SCHLAKE,MEYER, ELLERHORST,SCHUTTE,
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Date: 2006/10/11 21:40:05
From: Sharon <chuckles22000(a)yahoo.com>
Hello Andrea, Thank you for the information. This is information that I had given to Daniel sometime ago. Thank you again for following up with me. Regards, Sharon --- Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Sharon! > I found an entry at gedbas > http://gedbas.genealogy.net/datenblatt.jsp?nr=1004375872 > with George Edward Ostendorf, married Clara > Elisabeth Diephaus. > The subimitter is Daniel Teuteberg > daniel.teuteberg(a)web.de. Perhaps you can > contact him and see, if he know more details. > Greetings, Andrea > > >From: Sharon <chuckles22000(a)yahoo.com> > >Reply-To: Oldenburg-L <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> > >To: Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > >Subject: [OL] GEORGE EDWARD OSTENDORF > >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hello List, > >I'm trying to trace my family back to Germany. The > >only information I have for my great granfather is > as > >follows: > >George Edward Ostendorf b. May 1864, Germany. > Family > >lore says Prussia. He came to the United States in > >1881 according to thee census records I have in the > >states. Family claims he ran away from the German > >Army. The 1st time I could locate him was in the > 1900 > >census for Butler, Ohio, Hamilton County. He was > >married to CLARA ELIZABETH DIEPHAUS from > Twistringen, > >Germany. At that time they had 3 children. If > anyone > >has any information it would be greatly > appreciated. > >Thank you in advance. > >Sharon Danek nee OSTENDORF > > > >Family Names; > >NORDLOH,LUHLMANN,ARNKENS,Kieselhorst,SCHLAKE,MEYER, > >ELLERHORST,SCHUTTE, > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >Oldenburg-L mailing list > >Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Date: 2006/10/12 12:49:09
From: MonikaReinhold <MonikaReinhold(a)aol.com>
Hello Sharon, maybe you can try the following link: _http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/_ (http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/) and enter just the last names "Ostendorf" and "Diephaus". This will yield some inputs/titles/documents to look at. Also, the German phone book may be worth a try: _http://www.telefonbuch.de_ (http://www.telefonbuch.de) Under "Diephaus", you will find 9 Diephaus in Twistringen, respectively in Vechta. In Vechta you will find 26 Ostendorfs. I would recommend to first contact "Wilhelm Ostendorf", as a Wilhelm Ostendorf placed in connection with my fathers family Morkramer, Vechta, (see Morkramer under above link) an overview table and the name Ostendorf appears there, too. Maybe he or another Ostendorf or a Diephaus can give you the information you are looking for without you having to visit an archive. I personally do not know the contents. Another interesting link might be: _http://www.surnamenavigator.org/_ (http://www.surnamenavigator.org/) I hope I could help you a little bit. Best Regards Monika Reinhold née Morkramer
Date: 2006/10/12 14:12:34
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Sharon, do you checked the marriage of this couple? Maybe there is listed where your ancestor came from. Was he lutheran or catholic? Werner Honkomp > Hello List, > I'm trying to trace my family back to Germany. The > only information I have for my great granfather is as > follows: > George Edward Ostendorf b. May 1864, Germany. Family > lore says Prussia. He came to the United States in > 1881 according to thee census records I have in the > states. Family claims he ran away from the German > Army. The 1st time I could locate him was in the 1900 > census for Butler, Ohio, Hamilton County. He was > married to CLARA ELIZABETH DIEPHAUS from Twistringen, > Germany. At that time they had 3 children. If anyone > has any information it would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance. > Sharon Danek nee OSTENDORF > Family Names; > NORDLOH,LUHLMANN,ARNKENS,Kieselhorst,SCHLAKE,MEYER, > ELLERHORST,SCHUTTE, > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2006/10/12 14:39:01
From: Sharon <chuckles22000(a)yahoo.com>
Hello Werner, I don't believe that they married in Germany. She came to the US in 1892, went to Cincinnati, Ohio, where her brother Henry Diephaus, owned a grocery store and sponsered many of the family memebers when they came over. My great grandfather worked for her brother, and either they met there or in Gerrmany. I've tried to find marriage records to no avail. I'm also unable to locate his natuaralization papers, although on all of the US census he claims to have been natuaralized in 1885. That tells me that he must have been here 5 years prior. The only passenger record I can locate is from Amsterdam on the ship Jason. The age is not correct, and it only lists a George Ostendorf. Thank you very much for your assistance, if you can possibly think of anything else it would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards, Sharon --- Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de> wrote: > Hello Sharon, > do you checked the marriage of this couple? Maybe > there is listed where your ancestor came from. > Was he lutheran or catholic? > Werner Honkomp > > > Hello List, > > I'm trying to trace my family back to Germany. The > > only information I have for my great granfather is > as > > follows: > > George Edward Ostendorf b. May 1864, Germany. > Family > > lore says Prussia. He came to the United States in > > 1881 according to thee census records I have in > the > > states. Family claims he ran away from the German > > Army. The 1st time I could locate him was in the > 1900 > > census for Butler, Ohio, Hamilton County. He was > > married to CLARA ELIZABETH DIEPHAUS from > Twistringen, > > Germany. At that time they had 3 children. If > anyone > > has any information it would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thank you in advance. > > Sharon Danek nee OSTENDORF > > > Family Names; > > > NORDLOH,LUHLMANN,ARNKENS,Kieselhorst,SCHLAKE,MEYER, > > ELLERHORST,SCHUTTE, > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Date: 2006/10/12 15:02:56
From: Sharon <chuckles22000(a)yahoo.com>
Hello Monika, WOW! Thank you for the information. Quite a bit to check, but should I find something I'll let you know. I've met a relative (Diephus) from Pennsylvania, US. that is related to the Diephaus's, in Twistringen. Turns out his grandfather Conrad Diephaus is my gggrandfather. He has spoken to the Diephaus family in Germany, regarding my ggrandfather Ostendorf, and they are unable to shed any light on the union between my ggrandmother and ggrandfather. Thank you again, and as I've said, I'll let you know what I find. Best Regard, Sharon --- MonikaReinhold(a)aol.com wrote: > > Hello Sharon, > > maybe you can try the following link: > > _http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/_ > (http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/) > > and enter just the last names "Ostendorf" and > "Diephaus". This will > yield some inputs/titles/documents to look at. > > Also, the German phone book may be worth a try: > > _http://www.telefonbuch.de_ > (http://www.telefonbuch.de) > > Under "Diephaus", you will find 9 Diephaus in > Twistringen, respectively > in Vechta. > In Vechta you will find 26 Ostendorfs. > > I would recommend to first contact "Wilhelm > Ostendorf", as a Wilhelm > Ostendorf placed in connection with my fathers > family Morkramer, Vechta, > (see Morkramer under above link) an overview table > and the name > Ostendorf appears there, too. > > Maybe he or another Ostendorf or a Diephaus can > give you the information > you are looking for without you having to visit an > archive. > > I personally do not know the contents. > > Another interesting link might be: > _http://www.surnamenavigator.org/_ > (http://www.surnamenavigator.org/) > > I hope I could help you a little bit. > > Best Regards > Monika Reinhold née Morkramer > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Date: 2006/10/12 15:31:25
From: MonikaReinhold <MonikaReinhold(a)aol.com>
Hello Sharon, good look for your search. Looking forward to hearing from you. Best regards Monika
Date: 2006/10/12 17:36:14
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Der Heimatbund für das Oldenburger Münsterland hat ein neues Buch über die Einwohner im Oldenburger-Münster aus dem Jahre 1703 herausgegeben. Titel: "Einwohnerverzeichnisse (Status animarum) der Kirchspiele Steinfeld, Lohne, Vestrup, Bakum, Vechta, Oythe, Langförden, Emstek, Cappeln, Lindern und Essen aus dem Jahre 1703" Im Verlag des Heimatbundes für das Oldenburger Münsterland, Cloppenburg 2006 Gebunden 400 Seiten, Preis 20,80 Euro - ISBN 3-9810290-3-8 Zu beziehen über dem Buchhandel oder beim Heimatbund Oldenburger Münsterlannd in Cloppenburg, Telefon: 04471-947722, Fax: 04471-947723, Email: geschaeftsstelle(a)heimatbund-om.de Online-Bestellung über: http://www.heimatbund-om.de/ - "Bestellung" - Rote Reihe - Heft 13. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The "Heimatbund für das Oldenburger Münsterland" has puplished a new book about the inhabitant in the year 1703. Title: "Einwohnerverzeichnisse (Status animarum) der Kirchspiele Steinfeld, Lohne, Vestrup, Bakum, Vechta, Oythe, Langförden, Emstek, Cappeln, Lindern und Essen aus dem Jahre 1703" Published by Verlag des Heimatbundes für das Oldenburger Münsterland, Cloppenburg 2006 - 400 pages, Price 20,80 Euro - ISBN 3-9810290-3-8 To order by Heimatbund Oldenburger Münsterlannd in Cloppenburg, Email: geschaeftsstelle(a)heimatbund-om.de Online-order via: http://www.heimatbund-om.de/ - "Bestellung" - Rote Reihe - Heft 13. Werner Honkomp --------------------------------------------------------- Werner Honkomp werner(a)honkomp.de Ziegelhofstr. 35b www.honkomp.de 26121 Oldenburg Tel: 0441-87230, Fax: 0441-883499
Date: 2006/10/12 18:12:27
From: mstulken <mstulken(a)wi.net>
Thanks, Monika! > (http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/) I went to the above link and found a record of my gggg-grandfather, Johann Stulken—apparently a land purchase in Gristede.! My German is nearly non-existent. Would some kind soul please tell me how I can go about getting a copy of that record? Thank you, Marilyn in Wisconsin
Date: 2006/10/12 20:59:04
From: Vince Rollman <pfalz33(a)adelphia.net>
Hallo Liste, I want to thank everyone. The assistance I have found here has been phenomenal. I would also like to share what I have found so far. I believe this to be the line of ownership of the Rolf Bey der Hake farm up to 1834 and also part of my family tree. All the dates and names come from Neuenkirchen church records. After 1745 the records also use the names Rohlmann and Bey der Hake interchangeably. The line begins: 1. Johann POLMANN (b. Abt. 1610) marries Thalake BEY-DER-HAKE (b. Abt 1631) 19 Oct 1650/51. They had the following children: +2. Anna Catherine Polmann b. 16 Apr 1655 3. Catherine Polmann b. 25 Jul 1657 4. Joannes Poelman b. 12 Jan 1661 2. Catherina (Trimike) Polman marries Lueke PIPER 23 Dec 1688. Their children are: 5. Johan Bey der Hake b. 5 May 1690 6. Catherina Aldh Bey der Hake b. 13 May 1691 7. Maria Aldh Bey der Hake b. 18 May 1692 +8. Johann Henr Bey der Hake b. 3 Oct 1694 8. Joan Henr Bie der Haeke married Maria Aldh WESTENDORF 13 Oct 1721. Their children are: +9. Maria Elizabeth Bey der Hake b. 19 Dec 1723 9. Maria Elisabeth Bey der Hake marries Joan Gerdt WENSTRUP conductis ROHLMANN 22 Feb 1745. Their children are: 10. Anna Maria Rohlmann b.17 Dec 1748 +11. Johann Henrich Rohlmann b. 06 Jan 1750 11. Anna Maria Elizabeth Rohlmann b. 29 Jul 1753 12. Johan Gerhard Rohlmann b. 22 May 1757 13. Johan Bernard Rohlmann b. 12 Jan 1761 14. Anna Maria Elizabeth Rohlmann b. 10 Apr 1763 11. Joannes Henricus Rollmann marries Catharina Margaretha HENKENBERENS 2 May 1792. Their children are: 15. Joannes Bernardus Rolmann b. 28 Oct 1793. 16. Anna Maria Elizabeth Rolmann b. 16 Dec 1794. 17. Anna Maria Catherina Rolmann b. 2 Mar 1796 18. Maria Elizabeth Rolmann b. 21 Apr 1798 19. Joannes Henricus Rolmann b. 21 Dec 1799 20. Maria Elizabeth Rolmann b. 5 Feb 1802 +21. Joannes Bernardus Henricus Rohlmann swe Rolf bey der Hake b. 6 Feb 1805 21. Henrich Rohlmann emigrated to America in 1834 and was listed as the owner of the Rolf Bey der Hake farm. Names not included but related to the family include OVERMANN, EKELMANN, VON WOHLE, HESSE, NEDERMEYER, BACK, WAHLAGE, SCHURMANN, MESSMACHERT, HEUSSMANN, KLATTE, and BULTMANN. I hope this information can be of help to someone else. Ciao, Vince Rollman
Date: 2006/10/13 18:51:06
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Margot, I have the history of the School in Damme, it is a long story, but in German language. About 1830 was in Damme two main schools (for boys "Knabenschule" for girls "Mädchenschule") each with only one class-room, together 2 teacher and 232 kids! 1863 started the two class system with three teachers, boys and girls are the first three school years together in a class. In additional to this was there 13 side schools in the Bauernschaften(farm groups) like Borrighausen, Haverbeck, etc. This was also only one class room for girl and boys, 1830 80-110 kids, but about 1870 only 50-70 kids because a lot of families emigrated to the States. There are trained teachers at the schools since about 1830, but all must have a small farm for live, the income was very bad. Since 1866 has Damme an additional school "Höhere Bürgerschule" like a high school with several classes. After this school they could go to Münster to the education as a teacher. I think, also the Heuerleute children could go to the Höhere Bürgerschule. I hope help, Werner > I'm back again with what probably is another simple-minded question but > the list members have been so generous with their answers to my other > questions that I'm hoping that perhaps someone can help me out. > What kind of education would the children of the Heuerleute in > Oldenburg have had in the middle of the nineteenth century? My great > great grandfather (Johann Heinrich Bergmann) was a tenant farmer in > Damme but only a few years after the family's arrival in the U.S. in > 1870, he was on the school board in Stearns County MN and his daughter, > my great grandmother Berardina, was the first teacher in one of the > small district schools there. She must have had some kind of schooling > but would it have been enough for her to teach? I know that there were > Progymasia all over Germany at the time but am not sure how the > Heuerleute would have fit into this scheme or indeed whether she would > have attended such a school. > I'd be most grateful for any help in this area and/or suggestions for > further reading. > Margot King > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2006/10/13 20:49:41
From: Margot King <margot.king(a)ca.inter.net>
Hello Margot,
I have the history of the School in Damme, it is a long story, but in German language.
About 1830 was in Damme two main schools (for boys "Knabenschule" for girls "Mädchenschule") each with only one class-room, together 2 teacher and 232 kids! 1863 started the two class system with three teachers, boys and girls are the first three school years together in a class.
In additional to this was there 13 side schools in the Bauernschaften(farm groups) like Borrighausen, Haverbeck, etc.
This was also only one class room for girl and boys, 1830 80-110 kids, but about 1870 only 50-70 kids because a lot of families emigrated to the States. There are trained teachers at the schools since about 1830, but all must have a small farm for live, the income was very bad.
Since 1866 has Damme an additional school "Höhere Bürgerschule" like a high school with several classes. After this school they could go to Münster to the education as a teacher.
I think, also the Heuerleute children could go to the Höhere Bürgerschule.
I hope help, Werner
I'm back again with what probably is another simple-minded question but
the list members have been so generous with their answers to my other
questions that I'm hoping that perhaps someone can help me out.
What kind of education would the children of the Heuerleute in
Oldenburg have had in the middle of the nineteenth century? My great
great grandfather (Johann Heinrich Bergmann) was a tenant farmer in
Damme but only a few years after the family's arrival in the U.S. in
1870, he was on the school board in Stearns County MN and his daughter,
my great grandmother Berardina, was the first teacher in one of the
small district schools there. She must have had some kind of schooling
but would it have been enough for her to teach? I know that there were
Progymasia all over Germany at the time but am not sure how the
Heuerleute would have fit into this scheme or indeed whether she would
have attended such a school.
I'd be most grateful for any help in this area and/or suggestions for further reading.
Margot King Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
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Date: 2006/10/14 03:33:02
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>
Margot, as time went on education became ever more regimented in the various German states. They were in the forefront here among all countries in the world and the German educational system became an example others would follow.
The outlying farm groups (Bauerschaften) had a choice of sending their kids to the main school or starting their own. They mostly chose the latter because of distance. It could also be 'controlled' a bit better at home if the need for help on the farm arose. Kids pretty much had to work and at 14 you were supposed to be done with all that schooling and earn a living. Only the höhere Bürgerschule offered a way up the line and out of a very basic education. Later it became the Gymnasiums in regional cities but travel arrangements had to be possible.
During much of the early to mid 19th century the single class for all students was the norm with the church custodian, organist etc (Küster, Ludimagister, etc) being the designated school teacher. A bunch of my ancestors served in this function in the Osnabrück area in Lutheran parishes. In Prussian controlled areas these teachers were often retired or cashiered former soldiers. The idea was that discipline was more important then lots of school learning. Many of these school had a hard time when it was time to harvest the fields as the students mysteriously got sick and couldn't be in school. Some schools even fined the parents because of this absenteeism. The clergy might have taught religion but typically they were above the menial task of teaching. Teachers really did not enjoy much prestige and were very poorly paid. It had to be a labor of love and very hard work.
Dear Werner,
You're marvellous and once again I thank you for all your help. I did discover a bit of general information about the German school system in the 19th century but nothing as specific as what you've sent me. But as usual, I have more questions! What precisely were the "side schools" on the Bauernshaften? On what grounds would each Bauerschaft be chosen to house such a school or was the choice up to the owners of the Bauernschaften? What kind of qualifications would the teachers have to have -- or were they simply drawn from the local clergy? On the basis of what I've read, I presume that the students would have been taught reading, basic arithmetic, writing and catechism.
Thank you again. I'll send you a copy of my funny small family history once I'm satisfied that there aren't too many errors in it.
Margot
On 13-Oct-06, at 12:51 PM, Werner Honkomp wrote:
> Hello Margot, > > I have the history of the School in Damme, it is a long story, but in > German language. > > About 1830 was in Damme two main schools (for boys "Knabenschule" for > girls "Mädchenschule") each with only one class-room, together 2 > teacher and 232 kids! 1863 started the two class system with three > teachers, boys and girls are the first three school years together in > a class. > In additional to this was there 13 side schools in the > Bauernschaften(farm groups) like Borrighausen, Haverbeck, etc. > This was also only one class room for girl and boys, 1830 80-110 kids, > but about 1870 only 50-70 kids because a lot of families emigrated to > the States. There are trained teachers at the schools since about > 1830, but all must have a small farm for live, the income was very > bad. > Since 1866 has Damme an additional school "Höhere Bürgerschule" like a > high school with several classes. After this school they could go to > Münster to the education as a teacher. > I think, also the Heuerleute children could go to the Höhere > Bürgerschule. > > I hope help, > Werner > >> I'm back again with what probably is another simple-minded question >> but >> the list members have been so generous with their answers to my other >> questions that I'm hoping that perhaps someone can help me out. > >> What kind of education would the children of the Heuerleute in >> Oldenburg have had in the middle of the nineteenth century? My great >> great grandfather (Johann Heinrich Bergmann) was a tenant farmer in >> Damme but only a few years after the family's arrival in the U.S. in >> 1870, he was on the school board in Stearns County MN and his >> daughter, >> my great grandmother Berardina, was the first teacher in one of the >> small district schools there. She must have had some kind of schooling >> but would it have been enough for her to teach? I know that there >> were >> Progymasia all over Germany at the time but am not sure how the >> Heuerleute would have fit into this scheme or indeed whether she would >> have attended such a school. > >> I'd be most grateful for any help in this area and/or suggestions for >> further reading. > >> Margot King >> Oldenburg-L mailing list >> Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net >> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l > > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l >
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Date: 2006/10/14 04:19:01
From: Margot King <margot.king(a)ca.inter.net>
Margot On 13-Oct-06, at 9:32 PM, W. Fred Rump wrote:
Margot, as time went on education became ever more regimented in the various German states. They were in the forefront here among all countries in the world and the German educational system became an example others would follow.
The outlying farm groups (Bauerschaften) had a choice of sending their kids to the main school or starting their own. They mostly chose the latter because of distance. It could also be 'controlled' a bit better at home if the need for help on the farm arose. Kids pretty much had to work and at 14 you were supposed to be done with all that schooling and earn a living. Only the höhere Bürgerschule offered a way up the line and out of a very basic education. Later it became the Gymnasiums in regional cities but travel arrangements had to be possible.
During much of the early to mid 19th century the single class for all students was the norm with the church custodian, organist etc (Küster, Ludimagister, etc) being the designated school teacher. A bunch of my ancestors served in this function in the Osnabrück area in Lutheran parishes. In Prussian controlled areas these teachers were often retired or cashiered former soldiers. The idea was that discipline was more important then lots of school learning. Many of these school had a hard time when it was time to harvest the fields as the students mysteriously got sick and couldn't be in school. Some schools even fined the parents because of this absenteeism. The clergy might have taught religion but typically they were above the menial task of teaching. Teachers really did not enjoy much prestige and were very poorly paid. It had to be a labor of love and very hard work.
Fred
On 10/13/06, Margot King <margot.king(a)ca.inter.net> wrote:Dear Werner,
You're marvellous and once again I thank you for all your help. I did
discover a bit of general information about the German school system in
the 19th century but nothing as specific as what you've sent me. But as
usual, I have more questions! What precisely were the "side schools" on
the Bauernshaften? On what grounds would each Bauerschaft be chosen to
house such a school or was the choice up to the owners of the
Bauernschaften? What kind of qualifications would the teachers have to
have -- or were they simply drawn from the local clergy? On the basis
of what I've read, I presume that the students would have been taught
reading, basic arithmetic, writing and catechism.
Thank you again. I'll send you a copy of my funny small family history once I'm satisfied that there aren't too many errors in it.
Margot
On 13-Oct-06, at 12:51 PM, Werner Honkomp wrote:
Hello Margot,
I have the history of the School in Damme, it is a long story, but in German language.
About 1830 was in Damme two main schools (for boys "Knabenschule" for
girls "Mädchenschule") each with only one class-room, together 2
teacher and 232 kids! 1863 started the two class system with three
teachers, boys and girls are the first three school years together in
a class.
In additional to this was there 13 side schools in the
Bauernschaften(farm groups) like Borrighausen, Haverbeck, etc.
This was also only one class room for girl and boys, 1830 80-110 kids,
but about 1870 only 50-70 kids because a lot of families emigrated to
the States. There are trained teachers at the schools since about
1830, but all must have a small farm for live, the income was very
bad.
Since 1866 has Damme an additional school "Höhere Bürgerschule" like a
high school with several classes. After this school they could go to
Münster to the education as a teacher.
I think, also the Heuerleute children could go to the Höhere
Bürgerschule.
I hope help, Werner
I'm back again with what probably is another simple-minded question
but
the list members have been so generous with their answers to my other
questions that I'm hoping that perhaps someone can help me out.
What kind of education would the children of the Heuerleute in
Oldenburg have had in the middle of the nineteenth century? My great
great grandfather (Johann Heinrich Bergmann) was a tenant farmer in
Damme but only a few years after the family's arrival in the U.S. in
1870, he was on the school board in Stearns County MN and his
daughter,
my great grandmother Berardina, was the first teacher in one of the
small district schools there. She must have had some kind of schooling
but would it have been enough for her to teach? I know that there
were
Progymasia all over Germany at the time but am not sure how the
Heuerleute would have fit into this scheme or indeed whether she would
have attended such a school.
I'd be most grateful for any help in this area and/or suggestions for
further reading.
Margot King Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
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Date: 2006/10/14 04:23:36
From: Margot King <margot.king(a)ca.inter.net>
I have the history of the School in Damme, it is a long story, but in German language.
Margot King margot.king(a)ca.inter.net
Date: 2006/10/14 10:24:37
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Fred, thank you for help. Werner > Margot, > as time went on education became ever more regimented in the various > German states. They were in the forefront here among all countries in > the world and the German educational system became an example others > would follow. > The outlying farm groups (Bauerschaften) had a choice of sending their > kids to the main school or starting their own. They mostly chose the > latter because of distance. It could also be 'controlled' a bit better > at home if the need for help on the farm arose. Kids pretty much had > to work and at 14 you were supposed to be done with all that schooling > and earn a living. Only the höhere Bürgerschule offered a way up the > line and out of a very basic education. Later it became the Gymnasiums > in regional cities but travel arrangements had to be possible. > During much of the early to mid 19th century the single class for all > students was the norm with the church custodian, organist etc (Küster, > Ludimagister, etc) being the designated school teacher. A bunch of my > ancestors served in this function in the Osnabrück area in Lutheran > parishes. In Prussian controlled areas these teachers were often > retired or cashiered former soldiers. The idea was that discipline was > more important then lots of school learning. Many of these school had > a hard time when it was time to harvest the fields as the students > mysteriously got sick and couldn't be in school. Some schools even > fined the parents because of this absenteeism. The clergy might have > taught religion but typically they were above the menial task of > teaching. Teachers really did not enjoy much prestige and were very > poorly paid. It had to be a labor of love and very hard work. > Fred
Date: 2006/10/14 12:48:07
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>
Hello Fred, thank you for help. Werner
Just another quick comment on schooling. I'm about to depart for Charleston, SC from our current place at Williamsburg, VA. Been travelling and we are slowling heading back to Florida for the winter.
My interest in the schooling issue comes from the fact that my gr...grandfather became Ludimagister in Hilter, Westphalia after being discharged from the Prussian service as a Feldjäger out of the Ansbach Jägercorps in Bissendorf. Now how did he get enough education to teach, play an organ and become the second in charge at the parish church in Hilter? That has been a puzzle to me as well as Margot.
I came to the conclusion that today's educational standards don't match. We need to think differently. 8 years of school seemed to have gone a little farther back then. We know of many people who went to Harvard and other universities in their early teens. Today that would be an extreme anamoly. My Feldjäger's children presumeably were taught by him and all became well educated and could write like a college student today. The penmanship was immaculate. One went on to study at the gymnasium and became a preacher and then switched to Catholicism in the US to become or try to become a RC priest. I have copies of his letters stored at the U. of Notre Dame's archives. He also taught ancient languages presumeably Greek and Latin. It all boggles the mind as to how much these folks learned in such a short time compared to today's lengthy school years.
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Karl Kraus (1874-1936) "How is the world ruled and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read."
Date: 2006/10/14 23:05:59
From: W. Fred Rump <fredrump(a)gmail.com>
Anyway, got to to go and get on the road. We have 800 miles to cover today.
I made a booboo. I meant 8 hours to drive not 800 miles. The mind does strange things early in the morning. Anyway, we are here in Mt Pleasant just outside of Charleston, SC. Out by the highway it seems everybody is selling baskets made out of reed straw. Seems to be part of the age old culture of the black folks who live here. I'll have to go and check this out.
-- Fred Rump, Beverly, NJ also 730 5th St. NW Naples, FL 34120 fredrump(a)gmail.com http://fredrump.phanfare.com
Karl Kraus (1874-1936) "How is the world ruled and how do wars start? Diplomats tell lies to journalists and then believe what they read."
Date: 2006/10/15 14:30:04
From: REPKINGRON <REPKINGRON(a)aol.com>
In a history of St Marien Catholic Church in Oythe, amt Vechta, I found the following sentence Die entdeckten Bilder stellen in den Deckgewolben jeweils vier Geheimnisse des Rosenkranzes dar. Which I interpret as: In the ceiling, the pictures represent, respectively, the four mysteries of the rosary. Can anyone explain the mysteries? All I can find in that timeframe are three mysteries - Joyful, Glorious, Sorrowful. A fourth, Luminous, was added a few years ago and would not be on the ceiling. Ronald J Repking Flossmoor, Illinois Researching: B a h l B a l l B u k e d e n C u i l m a n D o l l e F r y e G e r d e s H a u b e n H i l k e r s H o h l J a e g e r J e l m a n n J o e c k e l K u h l m a n L a m m e r s L u s t i g L u x M e m i k e n M e r c k e l M e y e r N e e h u e s N i e h a u s N i e m a n n N i e s s P e t r i P e t r y P f o h l R e h l R i l l R e p k i n g R i e d t R o o s S a n d s c h e i p e r S c h e r e r S c h o e n S e i l e r S e y l e r S i e g e l T h o b e n T h o e l e U n f r i d U n f r i t t V e d d e r V o r t m a n W i l i k e n
Date: 2006/10/15 18:22:23
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Margot, in additional what I told about the school in Damme. The Meyer-Holgrefe estate is located in the Bauernschaft (farm group) Holte-Bokern. This Bauerschaft is the smallest in the parish Damme and close to the parish, Therefore there was not and own side-school and kids must go to the main-school (Knabenschule) in Damme. The Visitation report of 1862 listed that the following subjects were taught: religion, reading, writing, speaking, arithmetic, object-lessons, world chronicle, singing. All children were required to attend school between 6 and 15 years. The daily lessons time was of 8-12 hours and from 1 to 4 hours in the winter and summertime. In the Bauerschaften was the lessons time in the summer only between 8-12, in the afternon the kids must work on the fields. You can therefore assume that the education was better at the main-school and the change was much bigger to come to the higher school and later to the Normalschule, but for this the need money. That's all what I could find. Werner Honkomp > Dear Fred, > You people really are amazing! > The reason I'm so interested in the schooling (apart from general > curiosity) is that my great grandmother (the daughter of a Heuerman) in > Damme was the first teacher in a small district school in Stearns > County and from what I recall my family saying about her, she clearly > had educational aspirations for herself and her children -- or at least > for her sons, if not her daughters, although the youngest did make it > to university in the early 20s. Would she have had enough training at > the school on the Meyer-Holzgrefe estate (Volkschule? Dorfschule? > Landschule?) to enable her to teach once the family arrived in the U.S. > in 1870? I doubt that she went to Normal School but I gather that the > requirements for teaching weren't all that strict at the time. > Thanks again! > Margot
Date: 2006/10/15 19:28:57
From: Margot King <margot.king(a)ca.inter.net>
Hello Margot, in additional what I told about the school in Damme.
The Meyer-Holgrefe estate is located in the Bauernschaft (farm group) Holte-Bokern. This Bauerschaft is the smallest in the parish Damme and close to the parish, Therefore there was not and own side-school and kids must go to the main-school (Knabenschule) in Damme.
The Visitation report of 1862 listed that the following subjects were taught: religion, reading, writing, speaking, arithmetic, object-lessons, world chronicle, singing.
All children were required to attend school between 6 and 15 years.
The daily lessons time was of 8-12 hours and from 1 to 4 hours in the winter and summertime.
In the Bauerschaften was the lessons time in the summer only between 8-12, in the afternon the kids must work on the fields.
You can therefore assume that the education was better at the main-school and the change was much bigger to come to the higher school and later to the Normalschule, but for this the need money.
That's all what I could find.
Werner Honkomp
Dear Fred,
You people really are amazing!
The reason I'm so interested in the schooling (apart from general
curiosity) is that my great grandmother (the daughter of a Heuerman) in
Damme was the first teacher in a small district school in Stearns
County and from what I recall my family saying about her, she clearly
had educational aspirations for herself and her children -- or at least
for her sons, if not her daughters, although the youngest did make it
to university in the early 20s. Would she have had enough training at
the school on the Meyer-Holzgrefe estate (Volkschule? Dorfschule?
Landschule?) to enable her to teach once the family arrived in the U.S.
in 1870? I doubt that she went to Normal School but I gather that the
requirements for teaching weren't all that strict at the time.
Thanks again!
Margot
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Date: 2006/10/17 17:43:16
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>
Can some knowledgeable person on this list tell me where the "northern Kraichgau" would be in Germany. I found that title on a book about immigrants that has an ancestor whom I would really like to find in Germany (Benedict Kautzman, ca. 1750). Nancy Pundsack
Date: 2006/10/17 18:05:59
From: tokilsaram <tokilsaram(a)sbcglobal.net>
Please see Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraichgau ----- Original Message ----- From: <APUND(a)aol.com> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: [OL] northern Kraichgau > Can some knowledgeable person on this list tell me where the "northern > Kraichgau" would be in Germany. I found that title on a book about immigrants that > has an ancestor whom I would really like to find in Germany (Benedict > Kautzman, ca. 1750). > > Nancy Pundsack > Oldenburg-L mailing list > Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2006/10/17 18:06:18
From: Heinz Wiemann <Heinz.Wiemann(a)gmx.de>
Can some knowledgeable person on this list tell me where the "northern
Kraichgau" would be in Germany. I found that title on a book about immigrants that
has an ancestor whom I would really like to find in Germany (Benedict
Kautzman, ca. 1750).
Nancy Pundsack Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2006/10/17 18:06:22
From: Heinzmann, Henry G. <hgheinzmann(a)acc-net.com>
There is a Kraichgau region in present-day Baden-Württemberg, extending from the Odenwald in the north to the Schwarzwald in the south. It occupies parts of Karlsruhe Kreis, Heilbronn Kreis, Enzkreis and Rhein-Neckar Kreis. Cities in the area are Sinsheim, Eppingen, Bretten and Bruchsal. Henry Heinzmann -----Original Message----- From: <APUND(a)aol.com> Sent 10/17/2006 7:42:59 AM To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [OL] northern Kraichgau Can some knowledgeable person on this list tell me where the "northern Kraichgau" would be in Germany. I found that title on a book about immigrants that has an ancestor whom I would really like to find in Germany (Benedict Kautzman, ca. 1750). Nancy Pundsack Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2006/10/18 09:24:55
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>
From: APUND(a)aol.com Reply-To: Oldenburg-L <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> To: oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [OL] northern Kraichgau Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:42:59 EDT
Can some knowledgeable person on this list tell me where the "northern
Kraichgau" would be in Germany. I found that title on a book about immigrants that
has an ancestor whom I would really like to find in Germany (Benedict
Kautzman, ca. 1750).
Nancy Pundsack Oldenburg-L mailing list Oldenburg-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/oldenburg-l
Date: 2006/10/18 19:02:02
From: APUND <APUND(a)aol.com>
Thank you to all who gave me an answer to my question about the location of the Kraichgau. Nancy Pundsack
Date: 2006/10/19 21:49:48
From: mstulken <mstulken(a)wi.net>
Is there someone who would be willing to help me with a bit of German. I just received an email from the Oldenburg archives about getting a copy of a document that's very important to me. I want to be sure I follow their instructions exactly. Thanks in advance! Marilyn (mstulken(a)wi.net)
Date: 2006/10/19 21:51:08
From: mstulken <mstulken(a)wi.net>
Oops! Please disregard. I think there's enough info here in English. Marilyn > Is there someone who would be willing to help me with a bit of German. I > just received an email from the Oldenburg archives about getting a copy of > a document that's very important to me. I want to be sure I follow their > instructions exactly. > > Thanks in advance! > > Marilyn > (mstulken(a)wi.net) >
Date: 2006/10/21 04:09:18
From: kj wiest <kjwiest(a)hotmail.com>
From: "Walter Fleischauer" <Walter.Fleischauer(a)t-online.de> Reply-To: Oldenburg-L <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> To: <oldenburg-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [OL] Familienkundlicher Stammtisch Jeverland Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:48:10 +0200
Liebe Heimatfreunde, sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Familienforschung ist „in“. Die Suche nach den eigenen Wurzeln nahmen vor nunmehr bald 10 Jahren eine Handvoll engagierter Familiengeschichtsforscher zum Anlass einen „Familienkundlichen Stammtisch Jeverland“ zu gründen. Heute sind bei den stets am ersten Dienstag im Monat stattfindenden Treffen im Gemeindehaus Accum meist 25 – 35 Teilnehmer, Männer und Frauen, sowohl Anfänger als auch langjährig erfahrene Hobbygenealogen aus dem gesamten Jeverland und den angrenzenden Regionen anwesend. Die Gruppe ist inzwischen als Arbeitsgemeinschaft dem Jeverländischen Altertums– und Heimatverein angeschlossen. Ziel ist die Weitergabe von Informationen untereinander, der Austausch von Forschungsergebnissen, sowie Hilfestellung bei auftretenden Problemen. In der Regel alle zwei Monate hält ein Teilnehmer unserer Gruppe oder ein extra dazu geladener Gast einen kleinen Vortrag zu einen interessanten Thema der Genealogie oder der Landeskunde. In den vergangenen Jahren haben Teilnehmer des Arbeitkreises gemeinsam u.a. sehr erfolgreich Informationsveranstaltungen zum Thema Genealogie / Landeskunde durchgeführt, bzw. an überregionalen Ausstellungen teilgenommen. Zweitägige Ausstellung im ev. Gemeindehaus Schortens - Sillenstede und im ev. Gemeindehaus in Wilhelmshaven - Heppens, mehrwöchige Ausstellung im Schloß zu Jever. Auf den Norddeutschen Genealogiebörsen im Museumsdorf Cloppenburg und im Auswandererhaus in Bremerhaven war die Gruppe mit einem Informationstand sehr erfolgreich vertreten.
Am Wochenende den 30.9. / 1.10.2006, jeweils in der Zeit von 11.00 Uhr bis 17.00 Uhr stehen fachkundige Mitglieder der Gruppe interessierten Hilfesuchenden, ganz egal ob Neuling oder erfahrenem Familiengeschichtsforscher mit Rat und Tat zur Verfügung. Schwerpunkt der Veranstaltung soll in erster Linie nicht die Präsentation von Forschungsergebnissen sein, sonder vielmehr der Weg, wie und wo Interessierte an gewünschte Informationen gelangen können. Ferner werden einige Mitglieder unserer Gruppe im Rahmen der Ausstellung ihre genealogischen Spezialgebiete vorstellen.
Interessierte Besucher sind herzlich dazu eingeladen! Der Eintritt ist frei!
Nähere Infos über unsere Gruppe unter http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/ag-jeverland/ Über http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/ag-jeverland/Plakat2.pdf gelangen Sie zu einem kleinen Plakat, welches Sie auf Wunsch im Format DIN A4 oder größer ausdrucken können.
Wie würden uns freuen und wären Ihnen sehr dankbar wenn Sie diese Info an Interessierte weiterleiten!
Das ev. Gemeindehaus in Wilhelmshaven - Neuende befindet sich unmittelbar vor der ev. St.-Jacobi - Kirche in der Kirchreihe 108 in 26389 Wilhelmshaven / Stadtteil Neuende. Direkte Zufahrt mit dem PKW ist nur über die Scharrreihe möglich! Alternative Parkmöglichkeiten beim oder hinter dem Walmart Warenhaus gegenüber Autohaus Schmidt & Koch. Fußweg zur Kirche dann ca. 5 Minuten.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen i.A. Walter Fleischauer
(Sonntag feiert die ev. Kirchengemeinde Neuende Erntedank. Aus dem Anlaß findet in der Zeit zwischen 11.00 und 14.00 Uhr parallel zur Ausstellung im Neuender Gemeindehaus ein „Kartoffelfest“ statt. Angeboten zum Verzehr werden kleine Kartoffelgerichte in jeglicher Form)
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Date: 2006/10/21 04:59:46
From: mstulken <mstulken(a)wi.net>
I just checked the Rootsweb lists and didn't find anything. Are you familiar with the Rootsweb Ostfriesen email list? You might find some folks there with whom you connect. Good luck, Marilyn > > Is there a mailing list for Jever in English that we are able to subscribe > to? > > Thanks. > > Faith > >
Date: 2006/10/22 21:58:21
From: Andrea Korbanka <akorbanka(a)hotmail.com>
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Wer die komplette Taufdatendatei möchte (Excel), mir bitte direkt mailen. Gruß aus Schwaben, Andrea (Korbanka)
Date: 2006/10/29 13:10:13
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>
Hallo, da diese Mail an recht viele Leute geht möchte ich die einfeache "Du" Form wählen, denn immer Sie/Du zu schreiben ist mir im Moment ein wenig zu umständlich. Ich bitte um Nachsicht derjenigen, wo sonst eigentlich die "Sie-Form" verwendet wird. Es gibt etwas Neues !!!! Der Arbeitskreis Lingener Familienforscher hat eine Mailingliste rund in und um Lingen gegründet zu der ich Euch recht herzlich einladen möchte. Hier eine kurze Beschreibung: ****************************** Die Mailing-Liste Lingen-L ist ein Diskussions- und Informationsforum für alle Freunde, Orts- und Familienforscher der Region Lingen (Ems). Mit Lingen ist dabei sowohl die frühere Grafschaft Lingen, wie auch der spätere Landkreis Lingen und die heutige Stadt Lingen an der Ems gemeint. Lingen-L soll dazu beitragen, Informationen auszutauschen und über Erfahrungen bei der Suche nach den eigenen Wurzeln in der Region Lingen zu berichten. Angesprochen sind alle kulturell und geschichtlich Interessierten, vor allem Orts- und Familienforscher. An Literatur wurden bisher einige Bücher und Artikel publiziert, die sehr wertvolle und umfangreiche Informationen enthalten. Die Web-Seiten des Heimatvereins Lingen (Ems) bieten einen guten Einstieg bei der Recherche in und über Lingen. Für das Zusammenfinden der Familienforscher aus Lingen und Umgebung gibt es das Projekt Lingener Forscherkontakte, in das sich alle Interessierten eintragen können und sollen, um mit anderen Forschern leicht und langfristig in Kontakt zu kommen. ************************ So eine Liste lebt nur durch viele Mitglieder und ich würde mich freuen, wenn Ihr dabei wärt. Ihr müßtet euch unter http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lingen-L/ anmelden und werdet dann frei geschaltet. Ich hoffe Euch bald begrüßen zu dürfen und bis dahin viele Grüße Heike (Bund)
Date: 2006/10/31 17:51:44
From: GDiers9488 <GDiers9488(a)aol.com>
Hallo, am Donnerstag, 2. November 2006, findet im Seminarraum des Staatsarchivs Oldenburg der nächste Sprech- und Kloennachmittag der Oldb. Gesellschaft für Familienkunde von 14 - 18 Uhr statt. Hier sind auch Anfänger und Nichtmitglieder willkommen. Zufällig wird im gleichen Gebäude, im Vortragsraum, ab 17:30 durch Dr. Albrecht Eckhardt das Oldenburger Jahrbuch 2006 vorgestellt. Wer daran interessiert ist, kann also beides miteinander verbinden. Gerold Diers, OGF
Date: 2006/10/31 18:10:50
From: Lorraine Ramirez <loramirez(a)gmail.com>
We will be in Oldenburg on December 6th and 7th. Is there a tephone # I may call to reach Albrecht Eckhardt? Thank-you for your help.
Hallo, am Donnerstag, 2. November 2006, findet im Seminarraum des Staatsarchivs Oldenburg der nächste Sprech- und Kloennachmittag der Oldb. Gesellschaft für Familienkunde von 14 - 18 Uhr statt. Hier sind auch Anfänger und Nichtmitglieder willkommen.
Zufällig wird im gleichen Gebäude, im Vortragsraum, ab 17:30 durch Dr. Albrecht Eckhardt das Oldenburger Jahrbuch 2006 vorgestellt.
Wer daran interessiert ist, kann also beides miteinander verbinden.
Gerold Diers, OGF
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