hannover-l - Nachricht 2007-04 00164

[Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>]

Dear Armin,

Based on 1900 NY Federal Census data here:

1900 NY Federal Census with Hattorf Family..
George E. born 1847 - Born New York- salesman
Jennie? born 1849 - Germany - housewife - gives 1870 to U.S. /30 years in 
U.S...
YEARS IN CURRENT MARRIAGE - 26  [c.a. 1874)
George??/Henry????? (hard to read)- watchmaker - born 1877
August - plate printer -born 1879
Fredrich - porter - born 1882


WestThrid Street, Manhattan Boro, New York City, New York

............According to above 1900 NY census data :

Marriage & subsequent birth of children happend several years AFTER the end 
of the civil war...(Wife Jennie to USA to USA 1870) ......
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1925 Brooklyn NY Census search tool ($$$)

http://stevemorse.org/brooklyn/brooklyn.html
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Have you tried in-library census search 1880/1910/1920 for Hattorf  family 
using the Soundex index cards?

Per Rootsweb......

Soundex Code for :
Hatorf = H361
Hattorf = H361
Hatorf = H361
Hadorf = H361

HATTRUP is also H361..
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Hatoff = H310

Holtorf = H361

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NYC Death Index easy search....
http://stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html
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Site about pension files...
(mentions person without pension file but with military record...???

http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/military/civil-war/#pension

Barbie-Lew














----Original Message Follows----
From: AJHattorf(a)aol.com
Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] George Edward Hattorf in New York, or the never ending story
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:43:10 EDT


Dear  members of the list
George Edward Hattorf, the endless story, we have had a  discussion about 
him
some weeks ago. Meanwhile i have got his pension files from  NARA. Very good
32 pieces of paper full of informations. So i should be  happy shouldn’t 
I?
I  told you before i never could find him in the 1870, 1880 and 1900 census.
Well he was about 10 years old as his father Frederick A. Hattorf, puts him
in  an orphenage. His mother Julia M. Hattorf died around  1855.
He  never knew his real date of birth, so he was talking of September 1844,
1845,  1846, 1847….. so to search him means to search all years between 
1843
and  1848.
He  was a volunteer in the army in 1862 but he was not 18 as he thought he
was just  16 years old, when he served together with his brother Frederick 
in
the  13th New York Artillery.
After  his military duty he was for a certain time in the army corps, but he
is  DEFINITIFELY back in New York City in the year 1876 and he stayed there
till his  end in 1911. (even he died in Florida, perhaps he made a holiday 
trip
or  whatever)
But  now the hardest shock, to get his military pension he explained ….. I
WAS NEVER  MARRIED !!!
So i have only a Georger Hatorf in the 1910 census,  single born 1845, what
is the absolut correct date of birth same year of birth  as in the 1850 
census
New York. So i have no doubt that this is the right  one.
But  he is not in 1880 and not in 1900. Yes I know we have been talking 
about
a  GEORGE HATTORF who is listet in the 1900 census living in New York born
around  1848 salesman, with wife Jennie and 3 boys Fredrick, August and  
George.
IF i  say IF George was never married who is that George Hattorf in the 1900
census???? A misspelling of Huttorf or Hottorf???? But why cant i find then
ONE of those 5 persons in the 1900 census in another census year even using
only  the first name and the year of birth even if their family name would  
be
Barbarella i should find them. Nothing in 1910, 1920 and 1930 and the 3  
boys
are much to young to die. Perhaps one could have had an accident but not  
all
3. And the names Frederick, August and George absolutely perfect. The name  
of
the father, the grandfather and the brother of the father of George Edward,
but he was not married i know….
Or  was George Edward Hattorf a …. liar??? Didn’t he want to spend his 
12
dollar  pension with his wife, cause he has left his family?
Any  suggestions and any ideas how I can identify that George in the 1900
census???
My  best to you all  Armin




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