Date: 2007/02/01 00:59:46
From: Merrickwagner <Merrickwagner(a)cs.com>
Hi,
Here are all the Huffeds that are listed in the Cleveland Necrology file:
Records: 1 - 6
Id#: 0555448
Name: Hueffed, Perce G.
Date: Jan 14 1975
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #119.
Notes: Hueffed. Perce G. Hueffed, beloved husband of Margaret (Koelling),
dear father of Theodor K. of Beimont, Calif., Robert G. of Rye, N.Y. and Mary
Ellen, grandfather of 10, and great-grandfather of one, brother of the late Fred.
Funeral Mass Wednesday, Jan. 15, at St. Angela Church, 20970 Lorain Ave., at
11 A.M. Family will receive friends at Corrigan Funeral Home, Lorain Ave. At
West 208th St., Fairview Park, Tuesday 3-5 And 7-9 P.M.
Id#: 0555447
Name: Hueffed, Bessie
Date: Mar 29 1973
Source: Plain Dealer; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #119.
Notes: Hueffed. Bessie Hueffed, dear mother of Virginia L., Homer C., Mrs.
William Hains (Margaret), aunt of J. Lewis Vermilye, Phyilis Waldo and other
nieces and nephews and grandmother. Funeral services 1 p.m. Thursday, March 29,
Zeis Funeral Home, 16105 Detroit Ave. Interment Elmwood Cemetery, Lorain.
Id#: 0156675
Name: Hueffed, George E.
Date: Apr 7 1940
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #040.
Notes: Hueffed: George E., beloved brother of Alice Smith, uncle of Clem
Wagner and Pere G. Hueffed, passed away Thursday, April 4. Friends may call at the
Flynn-Froelk Co. Funeral Home, 13104 Euclid ave. Funeral Monday, April 8.
from St. Joseph's Church, E. 144 and St. Clair ave., at 9 a. m.
Id#: 0156674
Name: Hueffed, Fred H.
Date: October 26, 1924
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #040.
Notes: Hueffed-Fred H., aged 30 years, dearly beloved son of Mrs. J. C.
Dreiling, brother of Perce G. Hueffed, passed away peacefully Sunday midnight.
Funeral Wednesday, Oct. 29, from late residence, 2137 Eldred avenue, Lakewood, at
8:30 a. m. Services at St. Clement's church at 9 a. m.
Id#: 0156673
Name: Hueffed, Fred E.
Date: October 24, 1912
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #040.
Notes: Hueffed-Fred E., beloved husband of Hattie Hueffed (nee Schmees), at
his residence, 3167 W. 71st-st. Funeral from late residence 8 a. m., Oct. 25.
Servies at St. Stephens' church, 8:30 a. m. Friends invited.
Id#: 0156672
Name: Hueffed, Catherine
Date: Jan 6 1929
Source: Source unknown; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #040.
Notes: Hueffed-Catherine, beloved mother of George E. and Alice Wagner Smith,
grandmother of Clem A. Wagner and Perce G. Hueffed, Saturday, Jan. 5, at late
residence, 14119 Castalia. Avenue, Funeral Tuesday, Jan. 8, from residence at
8:30 a. m. Services at St. Joseph's Church, St. Clair Avenue and E. 144th
Street, 9 a. m. Member L. C. B. A. No. 472.
Perhaps the Fred H. listed is Frederick Heinrich?????
Hope it helps!!
Rick Wagner
Date: 2007/02/01 01:21:00
From: Gail Schrader <gscout1912(a)mindspring.com>
To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site: Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago. Relatives all settled in Minnesota. I think I will only have time to visit one site. Gail
Date: 2007/02/01 02:58:03
From: Hueffed, Henry <henry.hueffed(a)seattlechildrens.org>
Ft Wayne seems to be the place top go from what I have heard -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces+henry.hueffed=seattlechildrens.org(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces+henry.hueffed=seattlechildrens.org(a)genealogy. net] On Behalf Of Gail Schrader Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:20 PM To: Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net Subject: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site: Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago. Relatives all settled in Minnesota. I think I will only have time to visit one site. Gail ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Date: 2007/02/01 03:37:25
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:05:01 -0700 R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> wrote:
Hello,
That is a rather unusual name and one that probably is often
misspelled. I have done some research in Hannover (kingdom), but haven't yet
found that family there. The German phonebook has no such listing. I would
suggest that you look at some of the materials that are available for those
who lived in the USA. The census lists mostly refers to Lorain County, Ohio
and the town of Amherst. The 1900 census is the best one for finding the
year of immigration. There is an Elizabeth there, but is probably married
with that name. There it says she immigrated in in 1860. She is in the 1880
census with husband John Hueffeld (age 49) who came from Hannover.
There is also a Henry Hueffed in the 1880 census who was born in
Hannover (yes, that would include the whole kingdom, not just the city).
The problem with census records and church records is that words are
often misspelled and you have to guess all the variations! I would suggest
that you look at the genealogy pages in Ohio, most specifically the county.
There are people who will look up things for you. Here is an Lorain county
website to order birth and death records:
http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/pub.htm
Death records can be very helpful.
Here is the website of Lorain County - contact those people there who may
be able to help you. http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/
Good luck to you! Barbara
Hello, I discovered that the core of the Hueffed family to be fromCleveland, Ohio but I have never met any of them. I am just trying to
find out the origin of the name Hueffed and the original German spelling
if anyone knows. Most of the early Hueffed family immigrants identify
"Hannover" as their birthplace prior to 1900. I assume then that the
Hueffed family is originally from the Kingdom of Hannover?
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Date: 2007/02/01 04:47:12
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Re: [HN] Death of Genealogist Ryan Taylor Date: Thur, 5 Oct 2006 22:34:38
A Tribute To Ryan Taylor By Dave Obee http://www.daveobee.com/columns/06ryan.htm
Dick Eastman Genealogy Newsletter - In Memoriam: Ryan Taylor http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/09/genealogy_commu.html
From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <krumbar(a)comcast.net> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] Death of Genealogist Ryan Taylor Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:56:12 -0400
From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <krumbar(a)comcast.net> Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:24:23 -0500
The Allen County Public Library contains the largest publicly owned genealogical collection in the United States -- some say in the world. Its contributions to research have a world-wide impact. I'm sorry if you were offended Reinhard, but many people on this list live in the U.S., and many travel to Fort Wayne, Indiana for research in documents that indeed come from Lower Saxony. The availability of their materials has been somewhat abbreviated over the last four years while the library was rebuilt, and it is all now open again.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Reinhard J. Freytag" <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened
Guten Tag,
kann mir jemand bitteschön erklären, was der Inhalt d.u. eingestellten Beitrages in diesem Forum mit Familienforschung in Niedersachsen zu tun hat, abgesehen von der unfreundlichen Art, weder eine Anrede und noch nicht einmal einen Absender aufzuführen?
Good day, can someone explain to me please please, to specify what contents have to do d.u. adjusted contribution in this forum with family research in Lower Saxony, apart from the unfriendly kind, neither an address and not even a sender?
Date: 2007/02/01 06:11:56
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site: Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago. Relatives all settled in Minnesota. I think I will only have time to visit one site.
- Census Records - Military Records - Immigration Records and Ship Passenger Lists - Naturalization Records - Land Records - Court Records
Ft Wayne seems to be the place top go from what I have heard.
From: "Gail Schrader" <gscout1912(a)mindspring.com> To: <Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] Ft. Wayne Library Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:20:29 -0500
To do research on the Hannover region and relatives that emmigrated from the Duchy of Braunschweig which would be a better research site:
Ft. Wayne or the National Archives in Chicago.
Relatives all settled in Minnesota. I think I will only have time to visit one site.
Gail
Date: 2007/02/01 06:54:47
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
I have decided that the 1870 census for jackson county holds my meyer....listed as fritz maier. I am not sure why he did not stay in Galena Illnois. Perhaps some of the others moved with him. Perhaps to clinto county. Lots of Fehrings there and some related to Fehrings moved to jackson county. so more research.
I have not let go of the hunch some people from dahlenburg and tosterglope area as well as bleckede and gohrde area could be at Houston, Mn. Those of Grosss Thondorf....... Perhaps something will turn up with Information that will give me a lead. I will check into something sooner or later.Just wanted you to know as I wander off searching a bit. Especially imigration lists and census, cemeteries,, birth and death records. I am going to try hard to find more relatives at Aida. Juergen hch. wilhelm has not been found there yet. he arrived april 8, 1884 to new york.
About the steve morse site. It is very good site. really. awhile back i wrote him about my problem that there were errors in Bark Victoria 1892 Passenger list . Somehow he was able to give me the real one. I have since used castle gardens and ellis island. And one never knows how the name will be spelled or interpreted. Four different ways of Meyer for my Fred in census.
I may find some saucke or schroeder there and michel. I know some lived at plainview or plainfield by wabasha
>Hi Jo,The National Archives have all the arriving vessels on
microfilm.?
>About the Steve Morse website, definitely give it a try.? I searched
for
>about 15 years with no luck finding my? great-grandparents entry into
the
>US.? I had tried thethis news letter some one said you can see the
>information in archives. is that free or does one have to give money
first.
>How do you access archives?thanksjo meyer
>.myway.com
>
>>Message: 6>P.S. Joe, there is a Jurgen Meyer in the index listed for
Houston County
>which iwhere Eitzen is located. Only data listed is death date
>however...but perhaps if actual certificate is ordered it may give
burial
>location..funeral home?? Maybe searching lateral Meyer's of the
area give
>further data on this site.
>
>Barbie-Lew>>
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Date: 2007/02/01 11:08:15
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
From the German side you have various archives, both church and civil, thatcan be tapped, either by visiting in person or via correspondence. The latter approach is generally slow though, due to those institutions' resources being tapped to the max. The Germans also have rather strict privacy laws in place, something ironically they're looking more and more to loosen up a bit while we - as Americans at least, in the "land of the free" <g> - continue to ramp ours up. I live in the state that once led the way in open record access, but now leads it in draconian like encroachments, all thanks to a handful of criminal twits who we must all be "protected" from at this late point. In any case, suffice to say that LDS has done a commendable job in filming as many records as they can from the German end, and only a fool would pester our Germans cousins before fully exploring what LDS has in its holdings stateside.
From: "Dr. R.P. Mouton" <moutonrp(a)tiscali.nl> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 38, Eintrag 46 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:04:55 +0100
Dear J b, In reply to your questions:
I have published several books and chapters on the genealogy of my family,
in the years 1998-2006, and thus I am reasonably experienced in this job.
However, only once I visited an archive in Germany, so in the project ,
which I started last year, concerning an Ahnentafel of my grandsons , sons
of my youngest son ( so on their mothers side). I have only just started my
quests in Germany. In this Ahnentafel I have gathered around 1100 persons
now, but of those not all data are complete. I found 12 forefathers
or -mothers in Germany in the period 1750-1840, and I have only just started
further investigations on these. I hope the Liste may help me since I am not
able any more to make frequent visits to archives in Germany.. Yours Peter
Mouton
Date: 2007/02/01 11:27:17
From: Loretta Krumwiede Barlow <krumbar(a)comcast.net>
Gail ______________________________________________
Date: 2007/02/01 11:31:45
From: Loretta Krumwiede Barlow <krumbar(a)comcast.net>
Understandable some might wonder the what and why of such a post, especially
from the German side. But as Loretta noted, the ACPL [Allen County Public
Library |aka| Fort Wayne City Library] is indeed a monster of a genealogical
library, rivaled in the U.S. only by the Family History Library in Salt Lake
City. The ACPL even surpasses the genealogy division of the Newberry Library
in Chicago, and those of the New York and Los Angeles public libraries. It
also boasts the largest collection of English-language family and local
history periodicals in the world - more than 5100 current subscriptions and
nearly 10,000 total titles. It subscribes to countless foreign periodicals,
many emanating from Germany.
Like the FHL in SLC, you could get lost in it for days and never stop
discovering things, both American and European based. The restructuring took
a number of years to complete, and any American involved in family history
pursuits for a reasonable amount of time has been aware of this development.
The ACPL was actually cited a few months back on H-L, with the death of genealogist Ryan Taylor.
Jb
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From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Re: [HN] Death of Genealogist Ryan Taylor Date: Thur, 5 Oct 2006 22:34:38
A sad loss indeed. Along with Curt Witcher and staff, Ryan helped make the ACPL in Fort Wayne one of the foremost genealogical research facilities in the U.S. - and the world.
A bit more on the newsfront ::
A Tribute To Ryan Taylor By Dave Obee http://www.daveobee.com/columns/06ryan.htm
Dick Eastman Genealogy Newsletter - In Memoriam: Ryan Taylor http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/09/genealogy_commu.html
Jb
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From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <krumbar(a)comcast.net> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] Death of Genealogist Ryan Taylor Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:56:12 -0400
See the details at
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/15676166.htm
This link won't last forever. Like maybe noon tomorrow.
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From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <krumbar(a)comcast.net> Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:24:23 -0500
The Allen County Public Library contains the largest publicly owned genealogical collection in the United States -- some say in the world. Its contributions to research have a world-wide impact. I'm sorry if you were offended Reinhard, but many people on this list live in the U.S., and many travel to Fort Wayne, Indiana for research in documents that indeed come from Lower Saxony. The availability of their materials has been somewhat abbreviated over the last four years while the library was rebuilt, and it is all now open again.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Reinhard J. Freytag" <Reinhard.Freytag(a)t-online.de> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [HN] ACPL in Fort Wayne reopened
Guten Tag,
kann mir jemand bitteschön erklären, was der Inhalt d.u. eingestellten Beitrages in diesem Forum mit Familienforschung in Niedersachsen zu tun hat, abgesehen von der unfreundlichen Art, weder eine Anrede und noch nicht einmal einen Absender aufzuführen?
Good day, can someone explain to me please please, to specify what contents
have to do d.u. adjusted contribution in this forum with family research in
Lower Saxony, apart from the unfriendly kind, neither an address and not
even a sender?
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Date: 2007/02/01 15:08:34
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>
In a message dated 1/26/2007 4:17:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, 320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de writes: Hallo, > I recently found my ur-ur-grossmutter and her family in the Bippen Church records. Although I can understand the most of the entries in the record, I can't figure out the entry in a 'cause of death' column. I also can't interpret the word under 'heuerling'. I assume the word is the name of the farm where the man worked, but I can't decipher it. Would someone be willing to help me if I scan the words and attach them in a message? I would really appreciate it. I have tried my German dictionary and the Edna Bentz book of deciphering German and am still stuck. Thanks so much!! > -- > Carolyn Travers Carolyn, I also have family from Bippen. If it is OK with you, I would very much like to see if we have a connection somewhere. Janet
Date: 2007/02/01 18:28:13
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret to getting to the old lists of years like 1869.
As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists.
It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band number. Besides a music played by a band.
jo
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Date: 2007/02/01 19:07:55
From: pharmaxx <pharmaxx(a)charter.net>
Jo I don't know what you are working with so I cannot be very specific. I did not even know the Hamburg emmigration lists were on line. I found exactly what I was looking for at the LDS library on one of their films. In fact it was one of their most frequently ordered films and that they had it on hand. Max > > Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret > to getting to the old lists of years like 1869. > > As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how > to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing > a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists. > > > It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put > it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band > number. Besides a music played by a band. > > If you have the trick can you share it. > > jo > _________________________________________________________________ > > [1]From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide > to the Academy Awards® > > References > > 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2752??PS=47575
Date: 2007/02/01 20:27:32
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>
A Band Nr. Is a Volume No. PFS > -----Original Message----- > From: hannover-l-bounces+pfsco1=comcast.net(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:hannover-l-bounces+pfsco1=comcast.net(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of > jo meyer > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:28 AM > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: [HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at > ancestry.com > > > Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret > to getting to the old lists of years like 1869. > > As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how > to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing > a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists. > > > It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put > it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band > number. Besides a music played by a band. > > If you have the trick can you share it. > > jo > _________________________________________________________________ > > [1]From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide > to the Academy AwardsR > > References > > 1. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2752??PS=47575
Date: 2007/02/01 23:05:32
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
That is a rather unusual name and one that probably is often misspelled. I have done some research in Hannover (kingdom), but haven't yet found that family there. The German phonebook has no such listing. I would suggest that you look at some of the materials that are available for those who lived in the USA. The census lists mostly refers to Lorain County, Ohio and the town of Amherst. The 1900 census is the best one for finding the year of immigration. There is an Elizabeth there, but is probably married with that name. There it says she immigrated in in 1860. She is in the 1880 census with husband John Hueffeld (age 49) who came from Hannover.
There is also a Henry Hueffed in the 1880 census who was born in Hannover (yes, that would include the whole kingdom, not just the city).
The problem with census records and church records is that words are often misspelled and you have to guess all the variations! I would suggest that you look at the genealogy pages in Ohio, most specifically the county. There are people who will look up things for you. Here is an Lorain county website to order birth and death records: http://home.centurytel.net/lorgen/pub.htm Death records can be very helpful.
Good luck to you! Barbara
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Date: 2007/02/01 23:37:48
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret to getting to the old lists of years like 1869.
As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists.
It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band number. Besides a music played by a band.
jo
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Date: 2007/02/01 23:46:39
From: LadyBonita (USA) <ladybonita(a)usa.com>
I found a book a few years ago at the LDS Family History Library in Salt
Lake City that covered the 18th and 19th century emigration from Lower
Saxony to other countries (not just America). It is in German but the name
was something like:
"Auswanderungen des 18. und 19. Jahrhunderts aus dem Raum Niedersachsen in
der Literatur des 20. Jahrhunderts: eine Regional bibilographie"
It had a great format as sections were by 1) destination, 2) village where
from and 3) surname. I don't believe it had ship name, but it did have
dates, the village were born as well as what village they had been living ..
some had maiden names as well. It was a great book. Hopefully, it is
microfilmed now.
Bonita Hillmer
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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:28 AM
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Subject: [HN] how does one access old lists at hamburg lists at ancestry.com
Since we were talking of immigration. Perhaps someone has the secret
to getting to the old lists of years like 1869.
As i have posted my frustration with it already. I thought i knew how
to get there, but do not. I have tried just doing year and just doing
a few other things and get 'the sermon' instead of lists.
It says something about if you know the band nr. Where would you put
it if you knew. And the dumbest question i can ask is what is a band
number. Besides a music played by a band.
If you have the trick can you share it.
jo
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to the Academy AwardsR
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Date: 2007/02/02 00:28:12
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
List, My 'associate relative' as I will call him was most helpful with the immigration document. Since he possessed as much or more informtion about the Luhmann family. I asked him if it made sense. After a time he produced the information of the letters. i asked him now how he got them. So I also may get to them. I will have to write to the church. I gave him some puzzling information about another family MEYER, schulze in Oldendorf, that i had gotten awhile back. That information doesn't do much, it only adds to the puzzle.
" some days ago you mentioned a file and asked for the connection "Schwester" and "Mutter". The information of that file is the extract from 8 documents (Nr. 169 - Nr. 177 of the file-volume): 169/170 Letter from Marie Ahrens, written 23. Nov. (1868) in Galena (2 pages). The salutation in the letter is: Lieber Schwager und Schwester (brother-in-law and sister)! Marie Ahrens tells about life in America and reflection of emigration. She thinks, that J. H. F Meyer should come to America and that he will need 100 Reichsthaler (money). 171 A little yellow envelope, posted in Galena. Inside was the letter 169/170. Address: Parkwärter zu Röthen bei der Göhrde, Königreich Hannover. 172* A little yellow envelope, posted in Galena, Ill. on 7. Jan. (1869). For the letter see 173. Address: Herrn Parkwärter Meyer, Röthen bei der Göhrde, Amt Dannenberg, Hannover, Germany. 173 Letter from Marie Möllemann, written 8. Jan. (1869). Salutation: Lieber Schwager und Schwester. Marie Möllemann tells about her life in America, she is very pleased. She writes: Let Liese, Marie and Friedrich come. If you like send Anna too, but the other are to young. Her husband wants them to come too. Both want to care for them. 174 Document of the Nahrendorf church about the birth of J. H. F. Meyer in 1851. 175 Heimatschein. J. H. F. Meyer declares, that he wants to emigrate. 28.03.1869, Nahrendorf-seal. 176 The father Jürgen Friedrich Meyer agrees with the emigration of his son and guarantees to give him 100 Reichsthaler. On the same paper certifies the Gemeindevorstand of Röthen, that Jürgen Friedrich Meyer is able to give 100 Reichsthaler to his son. 177 Military-certificate. This is the contents of the above documents in short. The documents are written in German language and in Sütterlin-writing. For usual it is possible to get a digital copy (jpg) of the documents. The fee for that may be 30 Euro. Do you like to order a copy? In the end of this mail I return to the question in the beginning. In the moment it is not certain for me, who is the sister (name) and who is the mother. Marie Ahrens can be the sister of C. M. Luhmann, if she had married a Mr. Ahrens; but I don't think so. I think, it is necessary to search for the day of the death from C. M. Luhmann (Meyer) and her husband J. H. F. Meyer. Perhaps C. M. Luhmann (Meyer) died before her husband and he married again (a woman with name Ahrens); in that case Marie Ahrens is the sister of the second wife and J. H. F. Meyer is the brother-in-law of Marie Ahrens. But this are pure ideas, perhaps you have some more information." It is always good to mull over the genealogiical questions with others. I am open to suggestions and ideas and now will take off for some hunches I have. The hunt begins again. jo meyer
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Date: 2007/02/02 04:46:25
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
Hi Don: Hah!!! But I'll bet mine is better - or at least longer. To everyone else who wonders what this is all about, see my website: http://saxonchronicle.hypermart.net Jane jeswansong(a)earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
Date: 2007/02/02 06:06:14
From: jo meyer <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com>
I re read my letter and saw that the possibility of misinterpretation of what i said. when I get an error with msn or explorer it gives me the message or the 'sermon' or the 'error kind of response'.. I call them "Sorry'" messages. They are error messages. That is exactly what I meant by 'getting the sermon'. I t says I that I should use " a wild card " and try researching just the year.
I am reviewing your kind suggestions. I am not going to reply to each one. I will use them.
Today while renewing my ancestry i asked if they had the secret. The man did not know that there was another way into this Hamburg passenger ship list through the advertisement above on the page. Several pages into it after one had clicked the immigration button, one could click on that advertisement and access the list from Hamburg. Does anyone know what i am taliking about. He said he only used the 'search' method or button. A wise choice.
Now with that list, i was able to find out Ritterling, who were suppose to be from Carwitz Mecklenburg, were from Eichdorf for a time. The time they emmigrated I already knew from research done in wyoming. That they had gone through Canada/Michigan port. this around 1892, I think it was. I suppose that they had gone to new york and because of much quarantine due to diseases and such, that they decided to go this other route. I was able to find a few others also within the 1890's and 1900's. It is wonderful to use.
I only mentioned my frustration with it in a cranky old lady style because I was hopeing someone would say.....I KNOW THE SECRET ENTRANCE AND THIS IS HOW Or just say along with me. Yeah we know. But I am not sure yet, if anyone has had luck with it. Private email me if you like. I just would like to see that someone has actually gotten to the back dates with this special ship list from Hamburg. I am sure by now it is from my lack of knowledge about something that holds me back. No one else saw it as a problem?????????
Ashamed I am to say that again today I asked about this secret key into the immigration older years. The man at ancestory.com ,who I renewed my subscription from, told me some thing about the learning button up at the top. He said the wild card deffinition is told in there, which is very similar to someones posting, but a bit different. He said it is using three letters and the asterick sign afterwards. I would have not done that. Fearing the 'sermon' or the repeat message about 'the wild card needed' in order to access earlier years of ships leaving hamburg. i am going to try that. and i am going to go into the learning link. Sometimes the simpliest thing can at times seem so hard.
So thanks for helpful tips. and I hope no one was offended by my colorful phrases that amuse me.
I love this list. And I know you all have good suggestions. Even if it is merely said. 'weve answered that one tons of times try the archives a few months back. etc.' that is still a tip and helpful.
For now I am going to just drop the subject. i'll figure it out. I must be part of the ride.
jo
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Date: 2007/02/02 09:49:06
From: Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl>
This maybe a stupid question but I noticed that you signed off as Heike what is that a nickname for? My gr. gr. greatgandfather was , his first name Andries( from Hanover to Netherlands born in the late 1700's) but also known as Heike, is that the only name associtaded with this nickname or were their others? Anna Marie Schmitz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Bund" <ollibund(a)gmx.de> Heike (Bund) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2007/02/02 14:54:32
From: FuP Hestermann <frohestory(a)web.de>
Liebe Listenmitglieder, wo können wir die KB von Bücken finden? Ab wann gibt es welche? Gibt es evtl. schon ein Familienbuch oder eine Verkartung? Wir freuen uns über jeden Hinweis. Viele Grüße Felicitas und Peter (Hestermann)
Date: 2007/02/02 15:57:54
From: Wilfried Petersen <Wilfried.Petersen(a)t-online.de>
"FuP Hestermann" <frohestory(a)web.de> schrieb: > Liebe Listenmitglieder, > > wo können wir die KB von Bücken finden? Ab wann gibt es welche? Gibt es > evtl. schon ein Familienbuch oder eine Verkartung? > > Wir freuen uns über jeden Hinweis. > Hallo Felicitas und Peter, die Kirchenbücher von Bücken, Kirchenkreis Hoya, beginnen 1664. Sie liegen wohl als Microfiches im Kirchenbuchamt Hannover: www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt/ Freundliche Grüße und schönes Wochenende Wilfried (Petersen)
Date: 2007/02/02 16:55:14
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>
Liebe Familienforscher! Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Wer kann helfen? Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn
Date: 2007/02/02 19:34:36
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
The German phone directory listed no Hueffed/Hueffeld, but some Hüffel (Hueffel) and Hüffell. Mainly in in Rhein-Sieg-Kreis / Nordreihn-Westfalen - not Hannover. Check with this: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/ Werner Honkomp > Hello, > That is a rather unusual name and one that probably is often > misspelled. I have done some research in Hannover (kingdom), but haven't > yet > found that family there. The German phonebook has no such listing. I would > suggest that you look at some of the materials that are available for > those > who lived in the USA. The census lists mostly refers to Lorain County, > Ohio > and the town of Amherst. The 1900 census is the best one for finding the > year of immigration. There is an Elizabeth there, but is probably married > with that name. There it says she immigrated in in 1860. She is in the > 1880 > census with husband John Hueffeld (age 49) who came from Hannover. > There is also a Henry Hueffed in the 1880 census who was born in > Hannover (yes, that would include the whole kingdom, not just the city).
Date: 2007/02/02 20:06:18
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>
Libe Listenleser, die Zeit vergeht und zum Wochenende die versprochene Fortsetzung der Verbrechensdaten zitiert nach: EBELING: Schwarze Chronuk einer Weltsstadt. Hamburger Kriminalgeschichte 1919 bis 1945 "... - 1934 - 1. 1.34 Umorganisation der Kriminalpolizei Hamburg. Einrichtung von Spezialdienststellen, Aufhebung der örtlichen Dienststellen. 6. 1.34 Im Prozeß gegen KRAFT wegen Rückfalldiebstahls erfolgt die erste Verurteilung nach dem < Gesetz gegen gefährliche Gewohnheitsverbrecher p.p.> vom 24.11.33...." 10. 1.34 Rudolf LINDAU (1912 - 1934), Sohn eines Journalisten wird wegen Mordes an dem Polizeibeamten PERSKE (siehe 27.8.1931) hingerichtet (S. 311ff). "... 17. 1.34 Erstes Urteil mit Anordnung der Entmannung in Altona (Fall DANNENBERG). 24.1.34 Zigeuner-Invasion im Bahnhof Altona (63 Personen), Rücktransport nach Belgien (Zigeunerkönig Karl MURDES) 25. 3.34 Prozeß gegen Einbrecherbande Emil BLUM u. Genossen, 46 Angeklagte; Urteil 17.4.34 5. 4.34 Rauschgiftprozeß HAMANN, GRUNDNER, KLICZEWSKI; 33 Angeklagte 13. 4.34 Kindesentführungsprozeß Erwin DATHE ( Wilhelm Willibald August Ludwig Erwin DATHE, wurde 1885 in Rentwertshausen in Thüringen als Sohn eines Gutsbesitzers geboren. ... Mutter ... eine Freiin WOLF von TODENWARTH ..., in die Landeskrankenanstalt Meseritz-Obrawalde verlegt, wo er im Januar 1944 verstarb (S.242ff.)), der mit einem Schulmädchen ( ca.1926 in Vierlanden geboren) um die Welt reiste. Urteil: ... 1 und 1/2 Jahre Zuchthaus und anschließend Verwahrung (ebda.) 16. 5.34 Erneuter Prozeß gegen Hans STOLL wegen Hochstapelei. 7. 7.34 Hochverratsprozeß gegen Richard KREBS(KPD). - ... 12. 9.34 Prozeß gegen Petersen-Bande; hier: HAGEL, KAMINSKI, STRACKE (auch Reichsgericht v. 17.1.35) 2.10.34 Abtreibungsprozeß WILLKOMM/BOGUMIL. Hohe Zuchthausstrafen. 18.11.34 Auffindung der Leiche des Dienstmädchens Else KLEIST in einem Schrebergarten an der Flottbeker Chaussee. (... im Jahre 1906 in Gülzow in Mecklenburg als Tochter eines Schmiedemeisters (+1931) geboren,... + 14.10.1934( S.398ff), (Mutter lebt 1934 ebda.)); Täter: Fridolin BECKER (BECKER war 1896 in Brisbane in Australien als Sohn eines deutschen Pastoren geboren, Seine Mutter entstammte einer wohlhabenden australischen Familie deutscher Herkunft. (S.398), Während des Krieges war er bei einem Bombenräumkommando bei Blohm&Voss eingesetzt. Ein explodierender Blindgänger verletzte ihn lebensgefährlich. Seither fehlt von ihm jede Spur(S.422)) ; Hauptproz.:31.7.39 12.12.34 Notzucht mit Todesfolge am Tanzmädchen Helene MAZEK, Wilhelminenstraße; Täter: K.SCHWARZBAUER; Proz..:5.7.35 24.12.34 Raubüberfall auf Briefträger im Haus Kaiser-Friedrich-Ufer 16; Täter: D.SUNDERMEIER (erschoß sich bei Festnahme) ..." und noch ein Nachtrag zum Jahre 1923: "...Der Ermordete wurde als Schmied Franz WALDMEYER, am 13.3.1896 in Vonkovcil (Slowenien) geboren, festgestellt. WALDMEYER war aus Österreich nach Hamburg gekommen, um von hier aus nach Amerika auszuwandern. ... Als (Kommissar) FAULHABER die Sache 1941 wiederaufnahm, gelang es ihm, zwei der damaligen Verdächtigen zum Geständnis zu bringen. ...(S.416)" mit den besten Wünschen zum Wochenende Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
Date: 2007/02/02 20:09:19
From: Stefan Kramer <mail(a)kramer-stefan.de>
Vogelsang Deichgeschworener (=Deichschultheiß)
http://www.kramer-stefan.de/Lesehilfe/Brief1.jpg http://www.kramer-stefan.de/Lesehilfe/Brief2.jpg
Date: 2007/02/03 00:11:59
From: Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de>
3. Re: Oliver Bund (Brouwers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Anna Marie, it wasn't a stupid queation, becauser it gives no stupid questions...:-)) My name is Heike and Oliver was my husband, but we take a mailadress together, it was the easyest way... Sorry for my bad english, but it was from schooltime, a long time ago...:-)) regards Heike (Bund) ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l Ende Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 39, Eintrag 4 *******************************************************
Date: 2007/02/03 01:54:19
From: Hueffed, Henry <henry.hueffed(a)seattlechildrens.org>
Thanks though might be a clue... -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Werner Honkomp Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:31 AM To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: [HN] Hueffed Family Surname The German phone directory listed no Hueffed/Hueffeld, but some Hüffel (Hueffel) and Hüffell. Mainly in in Rhein-Sieg-Kreis / Nordreihn-Westfalen - not Hannover. Check with this: http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/v3/ Werner Honkomp > Hello, > That is a rather unusual name and one that probably is often > misspelled. I have done some research in Hannover (kingdom), but > haven't yet found that family there. The German phonebook has no such > listing. I would suggest that you look at some of the materials that > are available for those who lived in the USA. The census lists mostly > refers to Lorain County, Ohio and the town of Amherst. The 1900 census > is the best one for finding the year of immigration. There is an > Elizabeth there, but is probably married with that name. There it says > she immigrated in in 1860. She is in the 1880 census with husband John > Hueffeld (age 49) who came from Hannover. > There is also a Henry Hueffed in the 1880 census who was born in > Hannover (yes, that would include the whole kingdom, not just the city). ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information protected by law. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Date: 2007/02/03 02:04:07
From: rsjoer <rsjoer(a)comcast.net>
This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this properly. I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of Bremen on the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867. They were Johann Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann) Butt, and his two sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich and Johann. American death certificates and obituaries state they were born in Hannover, but not which village in the kingdom. John's date of birth is March 27, 1827, and Margaretha was born in 1842/1843. According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt and Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany. Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt and/or Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search? Thanks in advance, Robin Sjoerdsma Sarasota, FL
Date: 2007/02/03 05:20:54
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
Hi all: I've helped a lot of you and now I'm looking for help in extending some lines that I have neglected up to now. Seeking parents of any of the following: (All in Kreis Hoya)
Ich suche die Eltern und was für andere Data von der Folgende:
Mette Albers, *c. 1711, prob. Engeln +15 Jan 1758 Vilsen, m. Segelke
Schumacher who took the Albers name. (Hans Peter - any connection to your lines?)
Ilse Mette Margarethe Meyer, *1713, wo?, +15 Jul 1784, m. 5 Dec 1737,Vilsen,Heinrich Meyer,
data unk. Her parents were Dietrich Heinrich Meyer aus Schweringen & Anne Margarethe
Klein aun Uddendorf. (These Meyers were a prominent family in Vilsen down to today)
Johann Lindemann, Herzögliche Amtsschreiber in Bruchhausen, *1657, poss. Celle. +18 Jun
1707
Michael Michels (Michaelis), *1672, poss. Asendorf, +1727, m. Adelheit ??
Any clues greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jane
Date: 2007/02/03 05:26:44
From: jeswansong(a)earthlink.net <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
And here is one more: NN. Mathias * 1671, on 1 Oct 1734 fell off his horse and died in front of the church in Ahlden. Pastor took care of the burial not knowing who he was. Family tradition has it that the family were French Huguenots who followed Eleanor d'Olbreuse to Celle. I believe he may have been one of the guards of Sophie Dorothea, the so-called "Princessin von Ahlden". Later one Heinrich Anton Matthias (1710-nach 1760) who I think was his son owned the mill at Frankenfeld. Who was he? Any help or ideas greatly appreciated. Thanks. Jane Den 1 Okt 1734 ein Reuter gennant Matthias (kein Vorname) ist bei der Kirche zu Ahlden vom Pferde gefallen und gestorben. Ich glaube er war Wächter von Sophie Dorothea, die sogennant "Prinzessen von Ahledn" Weisst jemand wer er ist? Danke für deine Hilfe. Jane jeswansong(a)earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
Date: 2007/02/03 07:25:02
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
From : Brouwers <anmaristin(a)zeelandnet.nl> Sent : Friday, February 2, 2007 12:51 AM To : "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject : Re: [HN] Oliver Bund
This maybe a stupid question but I noticed that you signed off as Heike what is that a nickname for? My gr. gr. greatgandfather was, his first name Andries( from Hanover to Netherlands born in the late 1700's) but also known as Heike, is that the only name associtaded with this nickname or were their others? Anna Marie Schmitz
From : Oliver Bund <ollibund(a)gmx.de> Sent : Friday, February 2, 2007 3:10 PM To : <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject : [HN] 3. Re: Oliver Bund (Brouwers)
Hi Anna Marie,
it wasn't a stupid queation, becauser it gives no stupid questions...:-)) My name is Heike and Oliver was my husband, but we take a mailadress together, it was the easyest way...
Sorry for my bad english, but it was from schooltime, a long time ago...:-))
regards Heike (Bund)
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Date: 2007/02/03 10:24:04
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>
"jeswansong(a)earthlink.net" <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net> schrieb: ... > Ich suche die Eltern und was für andere Data von der Folgende: > Mette Albers, *c. 1711, prob. Engeln +15 Jan 1758 Vilsen, m. Segelke > Schumacher who took the Albers name. (Hans Peter - any connection to your lines?) ... Hi Jane Swan, unfortunately not yet any connection, but I will keep the information for my "Whole-of-World-Albers-file" and my eyes open and will inform you, when I can tell you more. Greetings Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
Date: 2007/02/03 11:30:10
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
From: "jo meyer" <gengeeheide(a)hotmail.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [HN] Sometimes my wording stinks..sorry. Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 05:06:00 +0000
I re read my letter and saw that the possibility of misinterpretation of what i said. when I get an error with msn or explorer it gives me the message or the 'sermon' or the 'error kind of response'.. I call them "Sorry'" messages. They are error messages. That is exactly what I meant by 'getting the sermon'. I t says I that I should use " a wild card " and try researching just the year.
I am reviewing your kind suggestions. I am not going to reply to each one. I will use them.
<snip>
jo
Date: 2007/02/03 12:48:37
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
I re read my letter and saw that the possibility of misinterpretation of what i said. when I get an error with msn or explorer it gives me the message or the 'sermon' or the 'error kind of response'.. I call them "Sorry'" messages. They are error messages. That is exactly what I meant by 'getting the sermon'. I t says I that I should use " a wild card " and try researching just the year.
I am reviewing your kind suggestions. I am not going to reply to each one. I will use them.
Today while renewing my ancestry i asked if they had the secret. The man did not know that there was another way into this Hamburg passenger ship list through the advertisement above on the page. Several pages into it after one had clicked the immigration button, one could click on that advertisement and access the list from Hamburg. Does anyone know what i am taliking about. He said he only used the 'search' method or button. A wise choice.
Now with that list, i was able to find out Ritterling, who were suppose to be from Carwitz Mecklenburg, were from Eichdorf for a time. The time they emmigrated I already knew from research done in wyoming. That they had gone through Canada/Michigan port. this around 1892, I think it was. I suppose that they had gone to new york and because of much quarantine due to diseases and such, that they decided to go this other route. I was able to find a few others also within the 1890's and 1900's. It is wonderful to use.
I only mentioned my frustration with it in a cranky old lady style because I was hopeing someone would say.....I KNOW THE SECRET ENTRANCE AND THIS IS HOW Or just say along with me. Yeah we know. But I am not sure yet, if anyone has had luck with it. Private email me if you like. I just would like to see that someone has actually gotten to the back dates with this special ship list from Hamburg. I am sure by now it is from my lack of knowledge about something that holds me back. No one else saw it as a problem?????????
Ashamed I am to say that again today I asked about this secret key into the immigration older years. The man at ancestory.com ,who I renewed my subscription from, told me some thing about the learning button up at the top. He said the wild card deffinition is told in there, which is very similar to someones posting, but a bit different. He said it is using three letters and the asterick sign afterwards. I would have not done that. Fearing the 'sermon' or the repeat message about 'the wild card needed' in order to access earlier years of ships leaving hamburg. i am going to try that. and i am going to go into the learning link. Sometimes the simpliest thing can at times seem so hard.
So thanks for helpful tips. and I hope no one was offended by my colorful phrases that amuse me.
I love this list. And I know you all have good suggestions. Even if it is merely said. 'weve answered that one tons of times try the archives a few months back. etc.' that is still a tip and helpful.
For now I am going to just drop the subject. i'll figure it out. I must be part of the ride.
jo
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Date: 2007/02/03 16:26:14
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>
Liebe Familienforscher! Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Wer kann helfen? Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn
Date: 2007/02/03 17:14:03
From: Monika Ehrentraut <Monika.Ehrentraut(a)t-online.de>
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, liebe Historiker und Genealogen, seit Jahrzehnten suche ich nach jener Verbindung zwischen Cottbus und Hannover, die mir hilft meine Identität zurück zu finden. Vielleicht können Sie mir mit Ihrem Wissen ein wenig weiter helfen. - Nur zum Verständnis : Ich bin Deutsch- und Geschichtslehrerin an einer hessischen Realschule und habe, angefangen mit dem Suchdienst des DRK in Ost und West, seit 1970 keine Institution ausgelassen, die mir hätte beistehen können. Kurz meine Geschichte, so wie ich sie seit 1999 ermitteln konnte. (Bis dahin gab es keine Zweifel an der Behauptung des Suchdienstes und des Landes Brandenburg, ich wäre ein einsames, nie gesuchtes und nicht-identifizierbares Kleinstkind aus dem deutschen Osten gewesen.) Am 1./2. Februar 1945 traf in Cottbus eine auffallend gut ausgestattete Personengruppe ein ( 2 Frauen, 5-6 Kinder). Sie waren verletzt und hatten offensichtlich soeben eine Notsituation überstanden. Vieles spricht für die Notlandung einer JU52 östlich von Cottbus.Man brachte sie in den beiden besten, benachbarten Hotels unter, von denen eines inzwischen Behelfskrankenhaus war. Am 15. Februar '45 wurden auch diese beiden Häuser von Bomben getroffen, die Frauen kamen um, die Kinder hatten Phosphor- und Splitterverletzungen. Eine angebliche Retterin enteignete die Kinder sofort und verteilte sie einzeln an Bekannte ihrer Eltern. Schon am 16. Februar hatten alle 6 Kinder neue Namen erhalten, ihre Dokumente und das Evakuierungsgepäck blieben verschollen, bzw. fanden sich in neuer Form im Verwandtenkreis der jungen Cottbusser "Retterin" wieder. Ein Teil des Gepäcks wurde im Dezember der russischen Besatzungsmacht übergeben, die daraufhin den Übergebern großzügig eine beachtliche Summe britischer Pfund zur Eigennutzung überließ. - - - Es hat Jahre gedauert, bis eine Verbindung zur Mineralölindustrie hergestellt werden konnte. Denn zu Cottbus gehörte ein großes Synthese-Werk ( Fischer-Tropsch-Verfahren zur Flugzeug-Benzin-Herstellung) . Und es stellte sich die Frage, welchen Nutzen die Stadt hatte, als sie ab 2. Februar 1946 ein Kind dieser Gruppe nach dem anderen der Abteilung Justiz in Potsdam mit völlig verändertem Alter, erfundenen Flucht- und Herkunftsgeschichten nannte. Drei der Kinder lebten noch bis 1948 in Cottbus, ohne dass die miteinander bekannten, betreuenden Personen es wagten, den Mädchen von ihrer Verwandtschaft zu erzählen. Auch in den folgenden Jahren erfuhr keiner der Heranwachsenden, dass es sich 1945 um vier Mädchen und einen Jungen handelte, die mütterlicherseits ( Schwestern) verwandt waren, obwohl vier der Frauen, beginnend 1963 in Ost und West intensiv geforscht hatten. Ihre Hilfe benötige ich aus folgendem Grund : Ich bin das jüngste Kind dieser Gruppe und in jener Familie aufgewachsen, deren Mitglieder sich mit Erlaubnis der russischen Besatzungsmacht am Privatbesitz der Evakuierten bereichert hatten. Ich erfuhr gelegentlich Bruchstücke der damaligen Vorgänge, die sich langsam zusammenfügen, seit ich drei dieser mit mir verwandten Anonymisierten in Regensburg, Hannover und Ulm gefunden habe. Fest steht : Wir kamen aus Hamburg, waren ab 1943 evakuiert zwischen Danzig und Stargard, hatten Väter in der Hamburger Direktion der Mineralölindustrie und sollten nach Kriegsende Familienangehörigen in Hannover übergeben werden zwecks Ausreise. Mindestens eines der Mädchen ( am Kriegsende ca 3-4 Jahre alt) sprach kaum deutsch sondern anglo-irisch. Das führte mich letztendlich zur Shell und zu deren Tochter, der Rhenania Ossag in Stettin-Pölitz. Aber welcher Shell-Prokurist , -Kaufmann, - Jurist kam aus Hannover oder hatte dort Verwandte ? Wer hat in der Deurag-Nerag neben dem Hamburger Prokuristen Horst von Wunsch in der Direktion gearbeitet ? Wie kann man Verbindungen norddeutscher Familien nach Irland/Nordirland ermitteln ? Wer war 'Of Reginald', den eine 1949 in Sachsenhausen ermordete Irin namens Mary-Claudette als ihren Vater bezeichnete ? Da Hannover eine ganz wesentliche Rolle für die Entwicklung der deutschen Mineralölindustrie spielte, erhoffe ich mir Unterstützung von Fachleuten. Können Sie mir helfen ? Freundlich grüßt Monika Ehrentraut Friedensstraße 18 65510 Idstein Tel. 06126 - 54947
Date: 2007/02/03 21:15:51
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>
You might try this site to get an idea of where the most Butt's and Tiedemann's live now. http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx I have done some research on the Tiedemann name in church books of Bremervörde. This is in Kreis Cuxhaven which is also where the most Butt's and Tiedemann's now live. Good luck, Paul Scheele > -----Original Message----- > From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l- > bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of rsjoer(a)comcast.net > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:04 PM > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: [HN] Surnames BUTT, T(H)IEDEMANN > > This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this > properly. I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of > Bremen on the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867. They > were Johann Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann) > Butt, and his two sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich > and Johann. American death certificates and obituaries state they were > born in Hannover, but not which village in the kingdom. John's date of > birth is March 27, 1827, and Margaretha was born in 1842/1843. > > According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt > and Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany. > > Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt > and/or Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search? > > Thanks in advance, > > Robin Sjoerdsma > Sarasota, FL > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2007/02/03 21:39:10
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hi Robin,
You certainly know how to present the needed information. Job well done.
I have been hunting around and cannot come up with the exact people. I
think there were a great number of T(h)iedemann in numerous places. The
Butts are probably about the same. If you haven't done so, you should look
search here:
http://meta.genealogy.net/
I presume you have done these:
http://geneanet.org/
http://www.gencircles.com/
I looked around without little success. They are in the census, but that
doesn't seem to lead to anything definite either.
Good luck!
Barbara
> This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this
> properly. I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of Bremen on
> the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867. They were Johann
> Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann) Butt, and his two
> sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich and Johann. American
> death certificates and obituaries state they were born in Hannover, but not
> which village in the kingdom. John's date of birth is March 27, 1827, and
> Margaretha was born in 1842/1843.
>
> According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt and
> Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany.
>
> Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt and/or
> Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Robin Sjoerdsma
> Sarasota, FL
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Date: 2007/02/03 21:40:25
From: Klaus Friedrichs <kl.friedrichs(a)freenet.de>
Hello Dorothy, Can you give us the person, which you are looking for in Meyenburg, and an approx.-date of birth, because there are various families. The oldest entry is of about 1648. And I assume, that this Meyenburg is situated in North-Germany, south of Bremerhaven. Is this correct? Maybe we will hear from you. Klaus Friedrichs
Date: 2007/02/03 21:56:26
From: Dorothy Johnston <dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net>
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Date: 2007/02/03 22:51:09
From: Dorothy Johnston <dhjohnston7(a)comcast.net>
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Date: 2007/02/03 23:13:26
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
This is my first introduction to this website - I hope I am posting this properly. I have two ancestors (husband and wife) who sailed out of Bremen on the ship Germania and arrived in Baltimore June 14, 1867. They were Johann Friedrich Butt, his second wife Margaretha (T(h)iedemann) Butt, and his two sons from his first marriage to a Ms. Engel(?), Heinrich and Johann. American death certificates and obituaries state they were born in Hannover, but not which village in the kingdom. John's date of birth is March 27, 1827, and Margaretha was born in 1842/1843.
According to Johann's death certificate, his parents were Heinrich Butt and Mattie Dammern, both born in Germany.
Can anyone suggest any areas heavily populated at that time by the Butt and/or Tiedemann families so that I would know where to begin my search?
Thanks in advance,
Robin Sjoerdsma Sarasota, FL
Date: 2007/02/04 01:48:07
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Husband's Name John Frederick BUTT (AFN:107T-2L8) Pedigree Born: 27 Mar 1827 Place: <Hanover, , , Germany> Died: 21 Jan 1917 Place: Tenney, Wilkin, Mn Married: Place:
Father: Mother:
Wife's Name (1st wife) Metha ALPERS (AFN:107T-2CS) Pedigree
Born: 1831 Place: Hanover, , , Germany Died: 1867 Place: Hanover, , , Germany Married: Place:
Father: Mother:
1. Sex Name M Frank BUTT (AFN:107T-2GF) Pedigree
Born: 1859 Place: , , , Germany Died: 1938 Place: Tolley, Ward, Nd
2. Sex Name M Henry Nmn BUTT (AFN:107T-2D1) Pedigree
Wife's Name (Second Wife) Margaret TEDMAN (AFN:107T-2MG) Pedigree
Father: Mother:
1. Sex Name M August BUTT (AFN:107T-2NN) Pedigree
2. Sex Name F Anne BUTT (AFN:107T-2PV) Pedigree
3. Sex Name F Mary BUTT (AFN:107T-2Q3) Pedigree
4. Sex Name M Frank BUTT (AFN:107T-2R9) Pedigree
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Date: 2007/02/04 04:34:10
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
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