Date: 2006/12/01 00:56:58
From: MagdalenaJLM <MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com>
Sorry, That is correct, a at the end of female surname and i for male. Have a Nice Day! Jill I am currently researching the following names: Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez, Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime nkuhler,Ly don,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalski,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak Jill Leimkuehler (MagdalenaJLM(a)aol.com)
Date: 2006/12/01 00:59:59
From: Sebastian Rautenberg <rautenbergahnen(a)aol.com>
Hi ghyll, thats me again :-) just in the moment I have news for you. a friend of mine has Harmening in his genealogie... I`ve give him your e-mail address, he live in petershagen.. Greetings Sebastian -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von ghyll simoneschi Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. November 2006 18:15 An: Hannover-L Betreff: [HN] Harmening/Leese I am looking for information about this family from this area! Thank you for any help you can give. Ghyll ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2006/12/01 01:39:59
From: M-Horsley <noni(a)teleos-web.de>
Hello my name is Michael Horsley I look for information about the families: Wilkening/Kläsing from locate Petershagen/OT Quetzen for each assistance I am very grateful Greetings Michael Horsley Hallo meine name ist Michael Horsley ich suche nach informationen über die Familien: Wilkening / Kläsing aus den orten Petershagen / OT Quetzen für jede hilfe bin ich euch sehr dankbar Grüße Michael Horsley
Date: 2006/12/01 05:24:23
From: JANE E SWAN <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
Hi All: Just one more comment on this subject: It was quite common - I have several in my tree. Most of them did so because of name attached to a farm, esp. in the smaller villages. But I have at least one who (perhaps had to) changed his name to hers because she was descended from nobility - complete with the "von" - even tho she was just a Bürger's daughter in Celle. Ironically, the family later dropped the "von Eltze" and simply used the name of the father, Eggeling. The earlier Von Eltze no longer used (or perhaps were forbidden to) the coat-of-arms, even tho several of them were Bürgermeister of Celle. Again, ironically, almost 200 years later, one of the sons used the simple name Eggeling but resumed use of the von Eltze coat-of-arms. Makes for interesting speculation. What makes genealogy such fun. Jane JANE E SWAN jeswansong(a)earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
Date: 2006/12/01 08:28:29
From: Wolfgang Ewig <ewig1(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Wolf Dieter, ich habe einen Waldmann in meiner Ahnenreihe, aber leider nichts davor, danach oder nebenher. Ist Dir dieser bekannt? Ilse Margarete Ruhkopf (Rukop) * 1714 in Kirchdorf. ~ 02.09.1714 in Kirchdorf. + 1785. Alter ca. 71 Jahre. Vater: Heinrich Ruhkopf (Rukop). Mutter: Clare Anne Rehren (Rehren). Verbindung mit Hermann Heinrich Waldmann Es grüsst Uschi Wojciechowski ______________________________________________
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Date: 2006/12/01 09:30:42
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
I can look up Hanoverian soldiers in the Kew Record Office for 1812, when I go down next. There is one book on the library shelf that is a compiled list. It will give me something to do whilst waiting the half-hour for ordered documents to arrive.
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Date: 2006/12/01 09:42:00
From: M-Horsley <noni(a)teleos-web.de>
Hello my name is Michael Horsley I look for information about the families: Wilkening/Kläsing from locate Petershagen/OT Quetzen for each assistance I am very grateful Greetings Michael Horsley Hallo meine name ist Michael Horsley ich suche nach informationen über die Familien: Wilkening / Kläsing aus den orten Petershagen / OT Quetzen für jede hilfe bin ich euch sehr dankbar Grüße Michael Horsley
Date: 2006/12/01 10:06:03
From: Susanne Schmitz <su-schmitz(a)gmx.net>
Date: 2006/12/01 13:13:44
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Dear Listies We had spoken about Johann August Hattorff this year. Rena from England has send me a link were i could see the place of birth of Johann August Hattorff. In his files in England they say he is born in "Schoningen". So i send a researcher to look the churchbooks but there was no birth of a Johann August Hattorff. Then i tried to find him in the Archive in Hannover, they have military files too. This is what i got: Hann 48 a I Nr. 123 Stammrolle des Regiments 1804 – 1808 Pag. 12 Register of Men , First Troop No. No. 4 Rank Serg. Name August Hattorf Age 25 Size feet 5, inches 9 where born country Hannover town Uslar trade - In... March 20 1804 No. of years 7 Bounty money received 4 pounds 6 ... description eyes blue hair black complex. fair service ... Hann. regiment 8th reg. of cavalry no. of years 7 remarks - So after this files he should be born in Uslar, what is not far away from Schoningen, once again i send someone to check the churchbooks to find the birth of Johann August Hattorf. Nothing at all? Additional informations about Johann August Hattorff. He is searchable at the LDS site. There they spell his name as John Augustus Hattorff married with Susannah Brookes. I got finally his marriage lisence. Its not easy to read cause not in the best condition: John Augustus Hattorff of this Parish, Bachelor, Sergeant Major in the first Regiment German Hussars and Susannah Brookes of this Parish, Spinster??? ..... this Church by Licence this seventh day of January in the year 1813. By me Wm. Layton, Rector The Marriage was folemnized between us Johann August Hattorff Susannah Brookes Then finally i have the baptism of their first child born in England Susannah Augusta Hattorff, born 8th November 1813. Parents John Augustus Hattorff & Susannah his wife. Any suggestion how to go on with my search? Thank you all. Armin Hattorf
Date: 2006/12/01 13:59:56
From: terry white <terryak.white(a)virgin.net>
Dec 1st 06 Dear Armin, Do you think that records for the KGL are then both in England and in Germany for all individuals who were members of that illustrious band of men ? The records in London are basically lists of names; and then muster books, which can be ordered up, give lengths of service, pay and if you're lucky - very lucky - enlistment or discharge papers, if they enlisted or were discharged in England, or embarked at one of the ports. If those members who wanted me to look on the lists for their ancestors, and I was to find a specific battalion, etc, or if they were in the cavalry, foot, or in the ranks, could they then be sought in more detail in records in Hanover, once they were pinned down? Terry -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces+terryak.white=virgin.net(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces+terryak.white=virgin.net(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of AJHattorf(a)aol.com Sent: 01 December 2006 12:13 To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [HN] Johann August Hattorf(f) Sergeant in the KGL Dear Listies We had spoken about Johann August Hattorff this year. Rena from England has send me a link were i could see the place of birth of Johann August Hattorff. In his files in England they say he is born in "Schoningen". So i send a researcher to look the churchbooks but there was no birth of a Johann August Hattorff. Then i tried to find him in the Archive in Hannover, they have military files too. This is what i got: Hann 48 a I Nr. 123 Stammrolle des Regiments 1804 - 1808 Pag. 12 Register of Men , First Troop No. No. 4 Rank Serg. Name August Hattorf Age 25 Size feet 5, inches 9 where born country Hannover town Uslar trade - In... March 20 1804 No. of years 7 Bounty money received 4 pounds 6 ... description eyes blue hair black complex. fair service ... Hann. regiment 8th reg. of cavalry no. of years 7 remarks - So after this files he should be born in Uslar, what is not far away from Schoningen, once again i send someone to check the churchbooks to find the birth of Johann August Hattorf. Nothing at all? Additional informations about Johann August Hattorff. He is searchable at the LDS site. There they spell his name as John Augustus Hattorff married with Susannah Brookes. I got finally his marriage lisence. Its not easy to read cause not in the best condition: John Augustus Hattorff of this Parish, Bachelor, Sergeant Major in the first Regiment German Hussars and Susannah Brookes of this Parish, Spinster??? ..... this Church by Licence this seventh day of January in the year 1813. By me Wm. Layton, Rector The Marriage was folemnized between us Johann August Hattorff Susannah Brookes Then finally i have the baptism of their first child born in England Susannah Augusta Hattorff, born 8th November 1813. Parents John Augustus Hattorff & Susannah his wife. Any suggestion how to go on with my search? Thank you all. Armin Hattorf ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2006/12/01 14:02:40
From: Brunkhorst, Hans-Hermann <H-HBrunkhorst(a)nri.de>
Hallo in die Runde, Ich habe mich neu in dieser Liste angemeldet. Mein Name ist Hans-Hermann Brunkhorst, bin 46 Jahre und beschäftige mich seit 2 Jahren mit der Ahnenforschung. Es sind die Familien Brun(c)khorst, Brandt, Böhn, Poppe in den Kreisen Stade und Rotenburg sowie Wesel und Pump in Hamburg. Herzliche Grüße Hans-Hermann (Brunkhorst)
Date: 2006/12/01 14:15:32
From: ghyll simoneschi <vsgs(a)optonline.net>
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Date: 2006/12/01 18:15:50
From: K Steingrandt <steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com>
Hello all
I am impatient and want to try and get some results from AIDA before my only German-speaking friend has time to help me :)
What do I do once I get to this page?
Thanks all!
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10 Entfernen Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover Alte Registratur (BaCl) Hann. 84d Entfernen Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover Altenauer Eisenhütte (BaCl) Hann. 84f Altenau Entfernen Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover Amt Ahlden Hann. 74 Ahlden
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Date: 2006/12/01 18:18:26
From: K Steingrandt <steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com>
Sorry all - it looks like you can't see the page I was talking about...I will try a screen shot.
K Steingrandt <steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Hello all
I am impatient and want to try and get some results from AIDA before my only German-speaking friend has time to help me :)
What do I do once I get to this page?
Thanks all!
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10 Entfernen Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover Alte Registratur (BaCl) Hann. 84d Entfernen Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover Altenauer Eisenhütte (BaCl) Hann. 84f Altenau Entfernen Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover Amt Ahlden Hann. 74 Ahlden
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Date: 2006/12/01 18:20:25
From: K Steingrandt <steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com>
OK, one more try. What do I do once I get to this page? (see attached GIF) Thank you! Kristen Steingrandt --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Date: 2006/12/01 18:47:29
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:20:06 -0800 (PST) K Steingrandt <steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, one more try. What do I do once I get to this page? (see attached GIF)
Thank you!
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Date: 2006/12/01 18:53:44
From: K Steingrandt <steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com>
Thank you Gale! I do have a friend who speaks fluent German, but I'm just an impatient soul :) Anyways, if anyone has time to help off list, I would really appreciate it. Danke, Kristen gale(a)bosche.info wrote: Sorry Kristen, you loose again--no attachments on this list. Attachments can contain nasty executable code and such code is not wanted on the List. Why not get together with someone off List and have them walk you through step by step. Many people on the List have "Windows", so you can have AIDA in one window, and your e-mail in another window. With a short delay, you can almost "talk" to each other. Sorry, I don't read or write German. I will take a look at AIDA, as I rermember, I was able to get through it in a limited fashion. Gale On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:20:06 -0800 (PST) K Steingrandt wrote: > OK, one more try. What do I do once I get to this page? > (see attached GIF) > > Thank you! > > Kristen Steingrandt > > > > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone >call rates. ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Date: 2006/12/01 18:59:57
From: gale <gale(a)bosche.info>
On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:44:25 -0500 <gale(a)bosche.info> wrote:
Sorry Kristen, you loose again--no attachments on this list. Attachments can contain nasty executable code and such code is not wanted on the List.
Why not get together with someone off List and have them walk you through step by step. Many people on the List have "Windows", so you can have AIDA in one window, and your e-mail in another window. With a short delay, you can almost "talk" to each other.
Sorry, I don't read or write German. I will take a look at AIDA, as I rermember, I was able to get through it in a limited fashion.
Gale
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:20:06 -0800 (PST) K Steingrandt <steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com> wrote:OK, one more try. What do I do once I get to this page? (see attached GIF)
Thank you!
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Date: 2006/12/01 19:06:10
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
Hi All: Just one more comment on this subject: It was quite common - I have several in my tree. Most of them did so because of name attached to a farm, esp. in the smaller villages. But I have at least one who (perhaps had to) changed his name to hers because she was descended from nobility - complete with the "von" - even tho she was just a Bürger's daughter in Celle. Ironically, the family later dropped the "von Eltze" and simply used the name of the father, Eggeling. The earlier Von Eltze no longer used (or perhaps were forbidden to) the coat-of-arms, even tho several of them were Bürgermeister of Celle. Again, ironically, almost 200 years later, one of the sons used the simple name Eggeling but resumed use of the von Eltze coat-of-arms.
Makes for interesting speculation. What makes genealogy such fun. Jane
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Date: 2006/12/01 19:13:03
From: K Steingrandt <steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com>
Thanks again Gale...I know I've tried that before, but there are two problems: online translations are really difficult to decipher because of their literal nature; and on AIDA, if you click onto another page from the translated page, it goes back to German. I think it has to do with the frames on the site. gale(a)bosche.info wrote: Kristen, this may help. Google "izn-AIDA". You will get the following. Click on the part "Translate this page" izn-AIDA online - © Informatikzentrum Niedersachsen- [ Translate this page Unfortunately, it is currently down for maintenance. Gale On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:44:25 -0500 wrote: > Sorry Kristen, you loose again--no attachments on this > list. Attachments can contain nasty executable code and > such code is not wanted on the List. > > Why not get together with someone off List and have them > walk you through step by step. Many people on the List > have "Windows", so you can have AIDA in one window, and > your e-mail in another window. With a short delay, you > can almost "talk" to each other. > > Sorry, I don't read or write German. I will take a look > at AIDA, as I rermember, I was able to get through it in >a > limited fashion. > > Gale > > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:20:06 -0800 (PST) > K Steingrandt wrote: >> OK, one more try. What do I do once I get to this page? >> (see attached GIF) >> >> Thank you! >> >> Kristen Steingrandt >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone >>call rates. > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
Date: 2006/12/01 19:20:47
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
In einer eMail vom 01.12.2006 18:20:00 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net: Johann August Hattorf(f) Sergeant in the KGL Dear Terry I don't know if they have all files in Hannover, but i can not imagine that they have devided the files of the Regiment into Hannover and England and Hessen, so if they have the files of the regiment you should find the datas of all men. I was not in the archive, but they must have lists what is available. But if they have the same files than in England, how could it happen that they have different places of birth in Hannover and in England in their lists. Looks like this are different files. Another problem: It looks like that in the marriage records in England the name of the father is not named. Usually you see in Germany the name of the father sometimes the name of the father of the bride too. So i can't find the father of Johann August cause i dont have his correct birthplace and he is not named in the marriage record. Next problem: His firstborn son was probably Friedrich August Hattorff. He was going to NY in about 1842/43 i still try to find him in the shiplist. I found a hint at ancestry.com that a certain Friedrich August Hattorff married 1844 in Memsen/Hoya in the Kingdom of Hannover. What is definitively not possible, cause he is still in the 1843 city directory of New York. Frederick A. Hattorf (how he calls himself in the USA) is buried on Hollywood Cemetery in VA, under the name Hattoff, born in Oxbridge England. What is nonsens so i think its Uxbridge i think i have seen a record about a regiment of the KGL which was in Uxbridge. And i think that his mother Susannah Brookes was the daughter of a british officer of the KGL. So what do i finally need: The place of birth of Johann August Hattorff The place of birth of his son Friedrich August Hattorf probably Uxbridge/England about 1818 The marriage of Frederick A. Hattorf (not found in Memsen/Hoya) probably in New York Do you know if there are micorfiches about the births in Uxbridge for example at the LDS-church? Armin
Date: 2006/12/01 19:20:48
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
I am currently researching the following names: Barlag,Bochenski,Bogdanski,Bredehoft,Brinkmann,Cawley,Ciesielski,Cieszkiewiez, Drehs,Dress,Dufelmeyer,Dufelmeier,Fuelling/Fulling,Frese,Fresen,Hunken,Klindtw orth,Hirschy,Jalonski,Kaminski,Kozielecki,Kozielewski,Kurgan,Leimkuehler,Leime nkuhler,Ly don,Mazgaj,Mesch,Obyc,Oesterhagen,Ostmeier/Ostmeyer,Obrock,Piechalski,Pieper,Poertner,Pranten,Quell,Rak,Reker,Redecker,Schwetscher,Speckmann,Sprin ghorn,Thiessecharpen/Thieschaper,Thunhorst,Viel/Viets,Vischer,Winteregg,Wistin ghausen,Wolers,/Wohlerst,Zinzack, Zynczak,Zinczak Jill Leimkuehler
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Date: 2006/12/01 20:05:26
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hello Kristen,
AIDA is not hard to work with - when it's working! It is obviously
down once again. That may explain some of your problems.
Go here: http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/
On that very page is a little blank box. Enter a surname for example
(and possibly the given name if the surname is a common name) and click on
the little box to the right. Perhaps you are searching for an event, a town
or some such. You can search with different kinds of data. When you get
results, click on each one that fits what you are looking for. Sometimes
there are quite a few results. Below that you will see the numbers where it
may something like 1-13. Look at every one. Click it if you want more
information. There may be more sets from the original search name--look at
each one. (some may be by title, some with the word that is included in the
data, etc.) Scroll down to the end to see that you have seen everything.
I've looked there and often find nothing. Sometimes there is a tremendous
amount. You can copy and paste to an online translator. Or copy and paste
it in a message on this mailing list (Hannover-L) and ask for a translation.
You'll get help that way.
I'm writing out this stuff from memory. The AIDA website is down and I
could have missed something in these directions.
Barbara
on 12/1/06 11:06 AM, K Steingrandt at steingrandtorg(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> Thanks again Gale...I know I've tried that before, but there are two problems:
> online translations are really difficult to decipher because of their literal
> nature; and on AIDA, if you click onto another page from the translated page,
> it goes back to German. I think it has to do with the frames on the site.
>
>
>
> gale(a)bosche.info wrote:
> Kristen, this may help. Google "izn-AIDA". You will get
> the following. Click on the part "Translate this page"
>
> izn-AIDA online - © Informatikzentrum Niedersachsen- [
> Translate this page
>
> Unfortunately, it is currently down for maintenance.
>
> Gale
>
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:44:25 -0500
> wrote:
>> Sorry Kristen, you loose again--no attachments on this
>> list. Attachments can contain nasty executable code and
>> such code is not wanted on the List.
>>
>> Why not get together with someone off List and have them
>> walk you through step by step. Many people on the List
>> have "Windows", so you can have AIDA in one window, and
>> your e-mail in another window. With a short delay, you
>> can almost "talk" to each other.
>>
>> Sorry, I don't read or write German. I will take a look
>> at AIDA, as I rermember, I was able to get through it in
>> a
>> limited fashion.
>>
>> Gale
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 09:20:06 -0800 (PST)
>> K Steingrandt wrote:
>>> OK, one more try. What do I do once I get to this page?
>>> (see attached GIF)
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Kristen Steingrandt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> call rates.
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Date: 2006/12/01 23:21:24
From: Donna Allen <dballen(a)triconet.org>
Thanks, Don Roddy, for posting the information on how to get the history of Hannover. I enjoyed reading it. I have a few occupations listed for which I cannot find the translation. Can anyone help, please? Dienstknecht/Hausler zu Alm (umlaud over the a, but my keyboard won't put it into a message though I can use it in a Word Perfect document). Hausling in Harber (umlaud over the a in Hausling) Hauswirt zu Harber (Einheirat) - My dictionary says Hauswirt is landlord, so I assume landlord in Harber, but was is Einheirat? Hofbesitzer in Hebenbrock 1729 Kirchenjurat = church jury - but what did this person do? Thanks for any help! Donna Allen Tucson, AZ
Date: 2006/12/02 00:00:51
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hello,
In case you haven't seen the shiplists on Castlegarden.org, here is a
Hattorf with the last residence listed:
Search Results
Johann-hermann Hattorf
Occupation Waiter
Age 23
Sex M
Literacy U
Arrived 29 Jan 1885
Origin Prussia
Port Bremen
Last Residence Achim
Destination New York
Plan Unknown
Ship Habsburg
Passage Unknown
There are also Hattorfs of Achim listed here:
http://www.hist.de/edition-hist(e).html
You can order 1852 census booklets for Achim at that site which would cover
the Hattorfs there. Of course, it is possible that this wouldn't be helpful
to you at all. A search on the LDS site with the name Hattorf(and nothing
else) shows a lot of them in several places in Hannover.
A search on here http://meta.genealogy.net/metasuche/index.jsp
for Hattorf shows several in Osterode (Harz) and Duderstadt and other
places. And a search for Hattorff yields a few more.
I think you may have done all this research already, but I just thought
I'd see what I could find.
Barbara
on 12/1/06 11:15 AM, AJHattorf(a)aol.com at AJHattorf(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> In einer eMail vom 01.12.2006 18:20:00 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
> hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
>
> Johann August Hattorf(f) Sergeant in the KGL
>
>
> Dear Terry
>
> I don't know if they have all files in Hannover, but i can not imagine that
> they have devided the files of the Regiment into Hannover and England and
> Hessen, so if they have the files of the regiment you should find the datas of
> all men. I was not in the archive, but they must have lists what is
> available.
>
> But if they have the same files than in England, how could it happen that
> they have different places of birth in Hannover and in England in their lists.
> Looks like this are different files.
>
> Another problem: It looks like that in the marriage records in England the
> name of the father is not named. Usually you see in Germany the name of the
> father sometimes the name of the father of the bride too.
>
> So i can't find the father of Johann August cause i dont have his correct
> birthplace and he is not named in the marriage record.
>
> Next problem: His firstborn son was probably Friedrich August Hattorff. He
> was going to NY in about 1842/43 i still try to find him in the shiplist. I
> found a hint at ancestry.com that a certain Friedrich August Hattorff married
> 1844 in Memsen/Hoya in the Kingdom of Hannover. What is definitively not
> possible, cause he is still in the 1843 city directory of New York.
>
> Frederick A. Hattorf (how he calls himself in the USA) is buried on
> Hollywood Cemetery in VA, under the name Hattoff, born in Oxbridge England.
> What is
> nonsens so i think its Uxbridge i think i have seen a record about a regiment
> of the KGL which was in Uxbridge. And i think that his mother Susannah Brookes
> was the daughter of a british officer of the KGL.
>
> So what do i finally need:
> The place of birth of Johann August Hattorff
> The place of birth of his son Friedrich August Hattorf probably
> Uxbridge/England about 1818
> The marriage of Frederick A. Hattorf (not found in Memsen/Hoya) probably in
> New York
>
> Do you know if there are micorfiches about the births in Uxbridge for
> example at the LDS-church?
>
> Armin
>
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Date: 2006/12/02 00:08:12
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>
Hallo Listis,
im Ksp. Rotenburg/Wümme habe ich folgenden Zufallsfund:
Carl Justus Albrecht LORENZ, *err. 09.09.1796 in Göttingen ???, +18.08.1871 in Rotenburg (77J 11M 9T)
Eltern: Johann Friedrich Lorenz (Beruf ist nicht zu lesen) und Dorette geb. Willich in Göttingen
heiratet ca. 1815 (erstes Kind am 11.10.1817 geboren) in Göttingen ???? (nicht in Rotenburg !!!!)
Johanna JÄGER, *err. 04.1791 in ?????, +12.01.1823 in Rotenburg (31J 9M), sonst ist nichts bekannt.
1824 findet eine 2. Heirat statt, Daten bekannt
Carl Justus Albrecht LORENZ wird in Rotenburg als Einwohner und Buchbinder genannt, 1844 als Bürgermeister.
Wer kann mir zu der Heirat Lorenz/Jäger bzw. der Familie Lorenz/Willich mehr sagen?
Viele Grüße Günter (Bassen)
Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen
Suche in ganz Deutschland: Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Windershusen (Ksp. Selsingen): Meyer
Suche in Lerbach bei Osterode am Harz: Oppermann
Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
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Date: 2006/12/02 00:10:43
From: guenter . bassen <guenter.bassen(a)arcor.de>
Hallo Listis,
im Ksp. Rotenburg/Wümme habe ich folgenden Zufallsfund:
Margaretha Sophia REHLING, *10.05.1827in Tweelbäke (Oldenburg), + 24.01.1861 in Rotenburg
Eltern: Johann Rehling (Arbeits-/Ackersmann) und Metta Catharina geb. von Lienen
heiratet 31.10.1856 in Rotenburg
Johann Wilhelm Heinrich PETERS, * 28.07.1829 in Rotenburg, + nach 01.1861 in Rotenburg, Eltern sind bekannt
Wer kann mir zu der Familie Rehling/von Lienen mehr sagen?
Viele Grüße Günter (Bassen)
Günter Bassen
Westend 6
27419 Klein Meckelsen
Suche in ganz Deutschland: Bassen, Jagels
Suche in Windershusen (Ksp. Selsingen): Meyer
Suche in Lerbach bei Osterode am Harz: Oppermann
Klein Meckelsen: 2001 Bundessieger "Unser Dorf soll schöner werden"
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Date: 2006/12/02 00:41:59
From: Drwinde <Drwinde(a)aol.com>
Hi Armin, There was an old family HATTORF which used the name OSTERODE too in the 14th century in Braunschweig (=Brunswick) in Lower saxony. This family probably came from the village Hattorf in the former county of Grubenhagen nearby of the residence Osterode/Harz. So perhaps you have to search in Braunschweig. Greetings from Bremen! Cord Dr.med. Cord Winde Bremen / Deutschland e.mail: drwinde(a)aol.com
Date: 2006/12/02 06:22:00
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Thank you Barbara, thank you Cord Yes Barbara i have those in my tree, but as long as i find Hattorffs which are NOT in the familytree and there are still a lot of question marks of missing people i am very thankful for every hint i can get. Most of the Hattorfs have been living in the early years in that Triangle Hattorf, Osterode, Duderstadt and the closer region like Northeim and so on, later they spread to Westfalia and Hannover and Brunswick. Cord i thank you too, i know that some of the old Hattorf familys originally coming from Osterode or Duderstadt have been living in Brunswick, but perhaps i should take a closer look on those Brunswick files. Somewere i should find those missing Hattorfs. Do you have a special name of the person which was called "Osterode". I know only one person using this name. That was the father of Valentin Hattorf (Valtin Hattorp in his days) Hans. He was living in Duderstadt but he was called "Hans von Osterode" what is only a kind of nickname, his correct name was Hans Hattorp. That tree is beginning about 1420 with Hildebrand Hattorp and ends ... no it ends not, cause there are descendends living in New York and Virginia and California and i turn the light off here in Germany. But with help of that group i found more Hattorf names that dont fit into the tree i have to find out who is who and how they get into that big puzzle. And that is why its so important for me to find the father of Johann August Hattorff, cause i dont think that he was the only child of the family, were he is are perhaps more of the lost Hattorfs. Armin
Date: 2006/12/02 08:42:44
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
Donna Allen Tucson, AZ
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Date: 2006/12/02 10:03:29
From: Albert Emmerich <Emmerich.Albert(a)t-online.de>
Hi Donna, let me try to explain the professions you are looking for: Häusler: owns a small house, but no or very little land. So he had to work in another profession (mostly day laborer, craftsman or herdsman) Häusling: does not own any hause or land, lives on a farm and works on that farm. They were free people: no contract with the owner of the farm. Einheirat: Heirat = marriage, Einheirat means that somebody marries into a family. In your case the man became landlord (Hauswirt) by marrying the landlady. Hofbesitzer: Proprietor of a farm Kirchenjurat: This is not really a profession, a Kirchenjurat does the administration for the possession of a church, appointed for a certain time as three years. They have a main "normal" profession beside this job. Älm, Heber, and Hebenbrock are names of villages. As I am German, I cannot give the exact translation into English, but I hope, the explanations will help. Albert (Emmerich) Cremlingen, Lower Saxony, Germany "Donna Allen" <mailto:dballen(a)triconet.org> schrieb: > Thanks, Don Roddy, for posting the information on how to get the history of Hannover. I enjoyed reading it. > > I have a few occupations listed for which I cannot find the translation. Can anyone help, please? > > Dienstknecht/Hausler zu Alm (umlaud over the a, but my keyboard won't put it into a message though I can use it in a Word Perfect document). > Hausling in Harber (umlaud over the a in Hausling) > Hauswirt zu Harber (Einheirat) - My dictionary says Hauswirt is landlord, so I assume landlord in Harber, but was is Einheirat? > Hofbesitzer in Hebenbrock 1729 > Kirchenjurat = church jury - but what did this person do? > > Thanks for any help! > > Donna Allen > Tucson, AZ > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
Date: 2006/12/02 15:39:37
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>
Napoleonic Literature Waterloo Excerpts Officer Casualty List for the Anglo-Allied Army: 18 June 1815
LIST OF OFFICERS, KILLED, WOUNDED, AND MISSING. (Extracted from the London Gazette.) BATTLE OF THE 18th.
was going to NY in about 1842/43 i still try to find him in the shiplist. I
found a hint at ancestry.com that a certain Friedrich August Hattorff married
1844 in Memsen/Hoya in the Kingdom of Hannover. What is definitively not
possible, cause he is still in the 1843 city directory of New York.>>
Good Luck!!! Rena in England ==
3. Re: Johann August Hattorf(f) Sergeant in the KGL (R&B Stewart)
6. Re: HATTORF (Drwinde(a)aol.com)
7. Hattorff / Hattorf (AJHattorf(a)aol.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:00:20 -0700
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Johann August Hattorf(f) Sergeant in the KGL
Hello,
In case you haven't seen the shiplists on Castlegarden.org, here is a
Hattorf with the last residence listed:Search Results Johann-hermann Hattorf Occupation Waiter Age 23 Sex M Literacy U Arrived 29 Jan 1885 Origin Prussia Port Bremen Last Residence Achim Destination New York Plan Unknown Ship Habsburg Passage Unknown
In einer eMail vom 01.12.2006 18:20:00 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibtMessage: 6
hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net:
Johann August Hattorf(f) Sergeant in the KGL
Dear Terry
I don't know if they have all files in Hannover, but i can not imagine that
they have devided the files of the Regiment into Hannover and England and
Hessen, so if they have the files of the regiment you should find the datas of
all men. I was not in the archive, but they must have lists what is
available.
But if they have the same files than in England, how could it happen that
they have different places of birth in Hannover and in England in their lists.
Looks like this are different files.
Another problem: It looks like that in the marriage records in England the
name of the father is not named. Usually you see in Germany the name of the
father sometimes the name of the father of the bride too.
So i can't find the father of Johann August cause i dont have his correct birthplace and he is not named in the marriage record.
Next problem: His firstborn son was probably Friedrich August Hattorff. He
was going to NY in about 1842/43 i still try to find him in the shiplist. I
found a hint at ancestry.com that a certain Friedrich August Hattorff married
1844 in Memsen/Hoya in the Kingdom of Hannover. What is definitively not
possible, cause he is still in the 1843 city directory of New York.
Frederick A. Hattorf (how he calls himself in the USA) is buried on
Hollywood Cemetery in VA, under the name Hattoff, born in Oxbridge England.
What is
nonsens so i think its Uxbridge i think i have seen a record about a regiment
of the KGL which was in Uxbridge. And i think that his mother Susannah Brookes
was the daughter of a british officer of the KGL.
So what do i finally need:
The place of birth of Johann August Hattorff
The place of birth of his son Friedrich August Hattorf probably
Uxbridge/England about 1818
The marriage of Frederick A. Hattorf (not found in Memsen/Hoya) probably in
New York
Do you know if there are micorfiches about the births in Uxbridge for example at the LDS-church?
Armin
Date: 2006/12/02 16:14:14
From: Fred Kattau <fred(a)kattslair.com>
Date: 2006/12/02 17:43:37
From: Ursula Wojciechowski <ruhwo(a)gmx.de>
Date: 2006/12/02 19:22:08
From: Jurgen Schwiening <schwiening(a)tesco.net>
Liebe Familienforscher, Ich hätte gern gewusst, ob sich jemand für die Geschichte des Dorfes Holzerode am Harz und die dortige Schule interessiert oder sogar erforscht. Mein Interesse daran ist folgendes: Der Onkel meines Grossvaters war dort um 1890 herum Lehrer. Sein Name war Carl Isenhut. Ich habe einige Erinnerungen meines Grossvaters Otto Becker, der dort bis etwa 1895 in die Schule ging. Jürgen Schwiening, Market Bosworth, England
Date: 2006/12/02 19:26:55
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hello Everybody,
Just some remarks on genealogy (primarily church records)--
The listing of an occupation is very helpful! I have been researching
records in England and found the listings of 3 marriages of William Snape.
Since I knew the occupation of "my" William Snape, I could determine which
marriage was the right one.
Also--those of us who are doing research in Germany must be very
grateful that the records are so detailed. Birth records usually list the
the surnames of the parents, father's occupation, godparents, etc. In
Bavaria I found records even listing the midwife! The names of godparents
are listed and that can be so helpful.
Not so in the part of England I have been searching in! I found birth
records with a date and nothing more than "Thomas, son of Thomas Lees" and
the date. I have yet to find marriage records with the parents of the
husband and wife. They do list the woman's surname--thank you! Sometimes the
occupation of the husband is included. The German script may be difficult to
us English-speaking folks, but so much more information is available for
research in Germany!
Barbara
on 12/2/06 12:42 AM, Maureen at mcshelly2(a)msn.com wrote:
> Thanks for asking! I need Hausler and Hausling, too! My online translator
> doesn't translate either word!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donna Allen" <dballen(a)triconet.org>
> To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:47 PM
> Subject: [HN] History of Hannover and need help with occupations
>
>
> Thanks, Don Roddy, for posting the information on how to get the history of
> Hannover. I enjoyed reading it.
>
> I have a few occupations listed for which I cannot find the translation.
> Can anyone help, please?
>
> Dienstknecht/Hausler zu Alm (umlaud over the a, but my keyboard won't put it
> into a message though I can use it in a Word Perfect document).
> Hausling in Harber (umlaud over the a in Hausling)
> Hauswirt zu Harber (Einheirat) - My dictionary says Hauswirt is landlord, so
> I assume landlord in Harber, but was is Einheirat?
> Hofbesitzer in Hebenbrock 1729
> Kirchenjurat = church jury - but what did this person do?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> Donna Allen
> Tucson, AZ
>
> ______________________________________________
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Date: 2006/12/02 20:46:00
From: Drwinde <Drwinde(a)aol.com>
Hi Armin,
The family I mentioned took the name OSTERODE, and sometimes HATTORF.
But in Braunschweig they are mentioned as OSTERODE. They belonged in that
time to the patrician families of Braunschweig. (Look "Sources")
Here are the only 2 members of this name in my genealogy:
1. Generation
————————————————————————————————————————
1 Metteke OSTERODE (HATTORF), VON[1],[2], 636865. Geboren zirka 1339.[3]
gestorben nach 1374, sie war 35.[4]
Sie heiratete Bernt II. VECHELDE, VON[1],[4], 636864, in zirka 1349 in
Braunschweig, Niedersachsen, D.[1],[2]
Sie hatten ein Kind:
i. Hermann II. ("der Alte")[1],[4], 318432 (1350-1420)
2. Generation
————————————————————————————————————————
2 Barthold OSTERODE (HATTORF), VON[3],[2], 1273730.
Kind:
1 i. Metteke, 636865 (ca1339->1374)
Quellen: ("Sources")
1. "VON VECHELDE-Pedigree," FamilySearch Pedigree ResourceFile,CD#74,
CompactDisc #74, FamilySearch - Church-Of-The-Latter-Days-Saints (Mormonen), USA,
Submission Search: 1751104-0619102114830, Submitter: Gerda EDMUNDS, 8 Willow
Pond Drive Rockland, MA 02370, USA, Download 28.12.2004 durch Dr.Cord Winde.
2. "Von VECHELDE. Die Geschichte einer Braunschweiger Patrizierfamilie.,"
Werkstücke aus Museum, Archiv und Bibliothek der Stadt Braunschweig,
StadtArchiv, Waisenhaus-Buchdruckerei, Braunschweig, Spiess, Werner, 1951, 1.Auflage,
S.1 - 206.
3. SCHRADER-VECHELDE-etc., "Sippenverband Ziering-Motitz-Alemann,"
Fritsche&Spielhagen, Manuskript gedruckt, Dr.W.Spielhagen, Mai 1940, 4, S. 19-54, (Dr.
Cord Winde Bremen im Mrz.2006).
4. "Genealogien Braunschweiger Patrizier- und Ratsgeschlechter aus der Zeit
der Selbstständigkeit der Stadt (vor 1671).," Braunschweiger Werkstücke Band
12., StadtArchiv Braunschweig, MeyerVerlag, Reidemeister, Sophie, 1948,
S.154-159.
Index
OSTERODE HATTORF, VON
Barthold 2
Metteke (ca1339 - >1374) 1
VECHELDE, VON
Bernt II. (1310 - ca1367) Ehegatte von 1
Hermann II. ("der Alte") (1350 - 1420) Kind von 1
————————————————————————————————————————
Greetings from Bremen and Good Luck!
Dr.med. CORD WINDE
D-28209 BREMEN
e.mail: _drwinde(a)aol.com_ (mailto:drwinde(a)aol.com)
Date: 2006/12/02 22:27:32
From: Allen T. <athn(a)alltel.net>
Best regards, Allen Thigpen
Date: 2006/12/02 23:16:33
From: Paul Scheele <pfsco1(a)comcast.net>
Regarding Donna Allen's questions about professions. Herr Emmerich did a great job explaining the professions meanings. The explanation of a Dienstknecht was missing however. I believe a Dienstknecht was generally a servant boy or man. I would recommend that Donna try to purchase the "German - English Genealogical Dictionary" by Ernest Thode. He gives translations for most of the terms you might find doing german genealogical research. I think it is usually available at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Paul Scheele > -----Original Message----- > From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l- > bounces(a)genealogy.net] On Behalf Of Albert Emmerich > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 2:08 AM > To: Hannover-L > Subject: Re: [HN] History of Hannover and need help with occupations > > Hi Donna, > let me try to explain the professions you are looking for: > > Häusler: owns a small house, but no or very little land. So he had to work > in another profession (mostly day laborer, craftsman or herdsman) > > Häusling: does not own any hause or land, lives on a farm and works on > that farm. They were free people: no contract with the owner of the farm. > > Einheirat: Heirat = marriage, Einheirat means that somebody marries into a > family. In your case the man became landlord (Hauswirt) by marrying the > landlady. > > Hofbesitzer: Proprietor of a farm > > Kirchenjurat: This is not really a profession, a Kirchenjurat does the > administration for the possession of a church, appointed for a certain > time as three years. They have a main "normal" profession beside this job. > > > Älm, Heber, and Hebenbrock are names of villages. > > > As I am German, I cannot give the exact translation into English, but I > hope, the explanations will help. > > > Albert (Emmerich) > Cremlingen, Lower Saxony, Germany > > > > "Donna Allen" <mailto:dballen(a)triconet.org> schrieb: > > Thanks, Don Roddy, for posting the information on how to get the history > of Hannover. I enjoyed reading it. > > > > I have a few occupations listed for which I cannot find the translation. > Can anyone help, please? > > > > Dienstknecht/Hausler zu Alm (umlaud over the a, but my keyboard won't > put it into a message though I can use it in a Word Perfect document). > > Hausling in Harber (umlaud over the a in Hausling) > > Hauswirt zu Harber (Einheirat) - My dictionary says Hauswirt is > landlord, so I assume landlord in Harber, but was is Einheirat? > > Hofbesitzer in Hebenbrock 1729 > > Kirchenjurat = church jury - but what did this person do? > > > > Thanks for any help! > > > > Donna Allen > > Tucson, AZ > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > Hannover-L mailing list > > mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2006/12/02 23:46:15
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hello Allen,
I'm wondering if you have a date of birth for Heinrich Haupt. The LDS
have these entries for Heinrich Haupt:
Heinrich Friedrich Ferdinand Haupt
Birth: 22 JAN 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Christening: 28 MAR 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Heinrich Friedrich August Haupt
Birth: 19 JAN 1882
Christening: 05 MAR 1882 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, PreussenDeath:
Heinrich Wilhelm Gustav Haupt
Birth: 30 OCT 1887
Christening: 01 JAN 1888 Hannover Stadt, Hannover
There are others listed.
Barbara
on 12/2/06 2:27 PM, Allen T. at athn(a)alltel.net wrote:
> Greeting Hannover Genealogy Researchers:
>
> I have some questions regarding Hannover in the time period 1870 -1950.
> How might I go about matching an address in Hannover to the name of the
> person said to be living there? In a ship record of entry into New York,
> having sailed from Germany, a relative indicated that her father had an
> address in Hannover. She gave the address as: Garteneg 6, Hannover.
> From a 1901 map of Hannover (wonderfully scanned in color) the city is
> laid out with its various districts and streets. The index for the map
> lists six "Gartens" with various names. This is the link:
>
> http://www.hicleones.com/callmap-e.php?tekst=10049&map=Hanover%2FHannover%20-%
> 20City
>
> I am wondering if perhaps the Gartens were numbered by the locals and
> used to describe a part of the city of Hannover they lived. This is what
> I am working with:
>
> *Place in Hannover*: Hannover, Garteneg 6
> *Person residing there*: Heinrich Haupt
> *When*: 1870 -- 1950
> *Daughter of Heinrich Haupt*: Karoline Thigpen (presumably Karoline
> Haupt before marriage to Thigpen)
> *Time Frame*: Address of Hannover, Garteneg 6 was given on New York
> port entry record in 1925. Karoline stated that this was her father's
> address.
>
> My objective is to find Heinrich Haupt and and his family. Heinrich
> Haupt's daughter, Karoline, married my cousin, William D. Thigpen around
> 1920-1925.
>
> Best regards,
> Allen Thigpen
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Date: 2006/12/03 00:21:57
From: Allen T. <athn(a)alltel.net>
Hello Allen, I'm wondering if you have a date of birth for Heinrich Haupt. The LDS have these entries for Heinrich Haupt:
Heinrich Friedrich Ferdinand Haupt Birth: 22 JAN 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Christening: 28 MAR 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Heinrich Friedrich August Haupt Birth: 19 JAN 1882 Christening: 05 MAR 1882 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, PreussenDeath:
Heinrich Wilhelm Gustav Haupt
Birth: 30 OCT 1887 Christening: 01 JAN 1888 Hannover Stadt, Hannover
There are others listed.
Barbara
on 12/2/06 2:27 PM, Allen T. at athn(a)alltel.net wrote:
Greeting Hannover Genealogy Researchers:
I have some questions regarding Hannover in the time period 1870 -1950. How might I go about matching an address in Hannover to the name of the person said to be living there? In a ship record of entry into New York, having sailed from Germany, a relative indicated that her father had an address in Hannover. She gave the address as: Garteneg 6, Hannover. From a 1901 map of Hannover (wonderfully scanned in color) the city is laid out with its various districts and streets. The index for the map lists six "Gartens" with various names. This is the link:
http://www.hicleones.com/callmap-e.php?tekst=10049&map=Hanover%2FHannover%20-% 20City
I am wondering if perhaps the Gartens were numbered by the locals and used to describe a part of the city of Hannover they lived. This is what I am working with:
*Place in Hannover*: Hannover, Garteneg 6 *Person residing there*: Heinrich Haupt *When*: 1870 -- 1950 *Daughter of Heinrich Haupt*: Karoline Thigpen (presumably Karoline Haupt before marriage to Thigpen) *Time Frame*: Address of Hannover, Garteneg 6 was given on New York port entry record in 1925. Karoline stated that this was her father's address.
My objective is to find Heinrich Haupt and and his family. Heinrich Haupt's daughter, Karoline, married my cousin, William D. Thigpen around 1920-1925.
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Date: 2006/12/03 00:23:11
From: Walter Bitterberg <walter(a)bitterberg-bonn.de>
Dear Listies
We had spoken about Johann August Hattorff this year. < snip>
In his files in England they say he is born in "Schoningen".
Hann 48 a I Nr. 123 Stammrolle des Regiments 1804 – 1808 Pag. 12 Register of Men , First Troop No. No. 4 Rank Serg. Name August Hattorf Age 25 Size feet 5, inches 9 where born country Hannover town Uslar trade - In... March 20 1804 No. of years 7 Bounty money received 4 pounds 6 ... description eyes blue hair black complex. fair service ... Hann. regiment 8th reg. of cavalry no. of years 7 remarks - So after this files he should be born in Uslar, what is not far away from Schoningen, once again i send someone to check the churchbooks to find the birth of Johann August Hattorf.
=4983= Hattorf, Johann Philipp, Erbherr, Oberfaktor ~ 26.3.1676 in Osterode St. Marien + 1.12.1741 in Uslar buried 3.2.1741 in Schoningen
=4984= Hattorf, von, Friedrich Martin Oberamtmann in Uslar * 25.2.1681 Osterode +9.5. 1740 in Uslar buried 11.5.1740 in Schoningen
Best Regards Walter Bitterberg
Date: 2006/12/03 00:50:11
From: Walter Bitterberg <walter(a)bitterberg-bonn.de>
I made a stupid mistake there. Klaus Kunze lives not in Fürstenberg but in Fürstenhagen. Beg your pardon, it was late when i wrote it.
The Ortsfamilienbuch was edited by Klaus Kunze, Fürstenberg. I believe he is a subscriber of this list.
Date: 2006/12/03 01:09:18
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Rena Wow nice to hear from you, you have a lot of informations for me. Yes i always new that their was a second Hattorff serving in the KGL. Even his name is not in the list. His name was Georg Heinrich von Hattorff he was one of the nobled line of our family. He was fighting at Salamancar and Waterloo against Napoleon. He was a captain or in those days they called him "Rittmeister" what is the same like Captain. He is no secret to me. But with your help i have now the adresses of the curches in Uxbridge. I am sure that Frederick August is born there. The first born children of Johann August were born in England the next two in Germany. The secret is why did Johann August disband in 1824 most of his comrads are disbandes in about 1816 after Waterloo. Was it his father in law who would like to see him longer in Great Britain? Maybe Mr. Brookes was in the army too. And i wonder why i could find Johann August in the LDS files but not his son Frederick A. Usually their should be files at the LDS church. Thank you so much for your assitance. Armin
Date: 2006/12/03 04:00:59
From: DSore10588 <DSore10588(a)aol.com>
Could someone please tell me the correct format (what goes on each line) for addressing the envelope to send a letter to this address? Kirchenkreisamt Uelzen, Taubenstr. 1, D 29525 Uelzen- Germany And, could you also tell me who I am writing to? How should I address the letter? Thank you. Janet
Date: 2006/12/03 05:21:24
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hello Allen,
This is just a suggestion-- Many people named their children after
their own parents. Here's a Heinrich Haupt with a mother by the name of
Carolina--close to the Karoline name you have.
HEINRICH WILHELM LUDWIG HAUPT
Birth:
17 NOV 1878 Hannover, Preussen
Christening:
01 DEC 1878 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Parents:
Father: AUGUST LUDWIG HAUPT Family
Mother: CAROLINA HENRIETTE DORIS WEDEKIND
It really can't be proven with the information you have. Where was Karoline
born?
Another thought-- since many of the Haupt names on the LDS site have 3 or 4
names, it could be that your Heinrich could have been anything like Johann
Heinrich August Haupt and his records are stated with the formal name. But
he used the name of Heinrich Haupt most often. That can be really confusing.
I'm wondering that the Garteneg 6 mentioned isn't supposed to be
"Gartenweg". Garten means Garden. A Google search lists "Gartenweg" but I
don't know what that means either.
Not much help, am I? I hope you can find your answers.
Barbara
on 12/2/06 4:21 PM, Allen T. at athn(a)alltel.net wrote:
> Hi Barbara, thank you for your reply. Heinrich Haupt's daughter,
> Karoline, was born in (1900 - 1901); therefore, we can assume that
> Heinrich was most likely born between 1850 and 1882.
>
> Allen Thigpen
>
> R&B Stewart wrote:
>> Hello Allen,
>> I'm wondering if you have a date of birth for Heinrich Haupt. The LDS
>> have these entries for Heinrich Haupt:
>>
>> Heinrich Friedrich Ferdinand Haupt
>> Birth: 22 JAN 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
>> Christening: 28 MAR 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
>>
>> Heinrich Friedrich August Haupt
>> Birth: 19 JAN 1882
>> Christening: 05 MAR 1882 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, PreussenDeath:
>>
>> Heinrich Wilhelm Gustav Haupt
>> Birth: 30 OCT 1887
>> Christening: 01 JAN 1888 Hannover Stadt, Hannover
>>
>> There are others listed.
>>
>>
>> Barbara
>>
>>
>> on 12/2/06 2:27 PM, Allen T. at athn(a)alltel.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Greeting Hannover Genealogy Researchers:
>>>
>>> I have some questions regarding Hannover in the time period 1870 -1950.
>>> How might I go about matching an address in Hannover to the name of the
>>> person said to be living there? In a ship record of entry into New York,
>>> having sailed from Germany, a relative indicated that her father had an
>>> address in Hannover. She gave the address as: Garteneg 6, Hannover.
>>> From a 1901 map of Hannover (wonderfully scanned in color) the city is
>>> laid out with its various districts and streets. The index for the map
>>> lists six "Gartens" with various names. This is the link:
>>>
>>> http://www.hicleones.com/callmap-e.php?tekst=10049&map=Hanover%2FHannover%20
>>> -%
>>> 20City
>>>
>>> I am wondering if perhaps the Gartens were numbered by the locals and
>>> used to describe a part of the city of Hannover they lived. This is what
>>> I am working with:
>>>
>>> *Place in Hannover*: Hannover, Garteneg 6
>>> *Person residing there*: Heinrich Haupt
>>> *When*: 1870 -- 1950
>>> *Daughter of Heinrich Haupt*: Karoline Thigpen (presumably Karoline
>>> Haupt before marriage to Thigpen)
>>> *Time Frame*: Address of Hannover, Garteneg 6 was given on New York
>>> port entry record in 1925. Karoline stated that this was her father's
>>> address.
>>>
>>> My objective is to find Heinrich Haupt and and his family. Heinrich
>>> Haupt's daughter, Karoline, married my cousin, William D. Thigpen around
>>> 1920-1925.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Allen Thigpen
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
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Date: 2006/12/03 05:35:33
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Allen,
I guess Gartenweg means "way" or some such. You can do a search on
mapquest.com and find Gartenstrasse 6 on the map of Hannover. I asked for
Gartenweg and it referred to Gartenstrasse. I don't know what value that
would be so many years ago. However, maybe you could find the nearest
church and maybe the Haupt records may be there. That may not be easy, but
it's a thought.
Barbara
on 12/2/06 9:19 PM, R&B Stewart at raybarbara(a)comcast.net wrote:
> Hello Allen,
>
> This is just a suggestion-- Many people named their children after
> their own parents. Here's a Heinrich Haupt with a mother by the name of
> Carolina--close to the Karoline name you have.
>
> HEINRICH WILHELM LUDWIG HAUPT
>
> Birth:
> 17 NOV 1878 Hannover, Preussen
> Christening:
> 01 DEC 1878 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
>
> Parents:
> Father: AUGUST LUDWIG HAUPT Family
> Mother: CAROLINA HENRIETTE DORIS WEDEKIND
>
> It really can't be proven with the information you have. Where was Karoline
> born?
>
> Another thought-- since many of the Haupt names on the LDS site have 3 or 4
> names, it could be that your Heinrich could have been anything like Johann
> Heinrich August Haupt and his records are stated with the formal name. But
> he used the name of Heinrich Haupt most often. That can be really confusing.
>
> I'm wondering that the Garteneg 6 mentioned isn't supposed to be
> "Gartenweg". Garten means Garden. A Google search lists "Gartenweg" but I
> don't know what that means either.
>
> Not much help, am I? I hope you can find your answers.
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> on 12/2/06 4:21 PM, Allen T. at athn(a)alltel.net wrote:
>
>> Hi Barbara, thank you for your reply. Heinrich Haupt's daughter,
>> Karoline, was born in (1900 - 1901); therefore, we can assume that
>> Heinrich was most likely born between 1850 and 1882.
>>
>> Allen Thigpen
>>
>> R&B Stewart wrote:
>>> Hello Allen,
>>> I'm wondering if you have a date of birth for Heinrich Haupt. The LDS
>>> have these entries for Heinrich Haupt:
>>>
>>> Heinrich Friedrich Ferdinand Haupt
>>> Birth: 22 JAN 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
>>> Christening: 28 MAR 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
>>>
>>> Heinrich Friedrich August Haupt
>>> Birth: 19 JAN 1882
>>> Christening: 05 MAR 1882 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, PreussenDeath:
>>>
>>> Heinrich Wilhelm Gustav Haupt
>>> Birth: 30 OCT 1887
>>> Christening: 01 JAN 1888 Hannover Stadt, Hannover
>>>
>>> There are others listed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Barbara
>>>
>>>
>>> on 12/2/06 2:27 PM, Allen T. at athn(a)alltel.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Greeting Hannover Genealogy Researchers:
>>>>
>>>> I have some questions regarding Hannover in the time period 1870 -1950.
>>>> How might I go about matching an address in Hannover to the name of the
>>>> person said to be living there? In a ship record of entry into New York,
>>>> having sailed from Germany, a relative indicated that her father had an
>>>> address in Hannover. She gave the address as: Garteneg 6, Hannover.
>>>> From a 1901 map of Hannover (wonderfully scanned in color) the city is
>>>> laid out with its various districts and streets. The index for the map
>>>> lists six "Gartens" with various names. This is the link:
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.hicleones.com/callmap-e.php?tekst=10049&map=Hanover%2FHannover%2>
>>> 0
>>>> -%
>>>> 20City
>>>>
>>>> I am wondering if perhaps the Gartens were numbered by the locals and
>>>> used to describe a part of the city of Hannover they lived. This is what
>>>> I am working with:
>>>>
>>>> *Place in Hannover*: Hannover, Garteneg 6
>>>> *Person residing there*: Heinrich Haupt
>>>> *When*: 1870 -- 1950
>>>> *Daughter of Heinrich Haupt*: Karoline Thigpen (presumably Karoline
>>>> Haupt before marriage to Thigpen)
>>>> *Time Frame*: Address of Hannover, Garteneg 6 was given on New York
>>>> port entry record in 1925. Karoline stated that this was her father's
>>>> address.
>>>>
>>>> My objective is to find Heinrich Haupt and and his family. Heinrich
>>>> Haupt's daughter, Karoline, married my cousin, William D. Thigpen around
>>>> 1920-1925.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Allen Thigpen
>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>
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Date: 2006/12/03 05:38:21
From: Allen T. <athn(a)alltel.net>
Regards, Allen Thigpen
Hello Allen,
This is just a suggestion-- Many people named their children after their own parents. Here's a Heinrich Haupt with a mother by the name of Carolina--close to the Karoline name you have.
HEINRICH WILHELM LUDWIG HAUPT
Birth: 17 NOV 1878 Hannover, Preussen
Christening: 01 DEC 1878 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Parents: Father: AUGUST LUDWIG HAUPT Family Mother: CAROLINA HENRIETTE DORIS WEDEKIND
It really can't be proven with the information you have. Where was Karoline
born?
Another thought-- since many of the Haupt names on the LDS site have 3 or 4 names, it could be that your Heinrich could have been anything like Johann Heinrich August Haupt and his records are stated with the formal name. But he used the name of Heinrich Haupt most often. That can be really confusing.
I'm wondering that the Garteneg 6 mentioned isn't supposed to be "Gartenweg". Garten means Garden. A Google search lists "Gartenweg" but I don't know what that means either.
Not much help, am I? I hope you can find your answers.
Barbara
on 12/2/06 4:21 PM, Allen T. at athn(a)alltel.net wrote:
Hi Barbara, thank you for your reply. Heinrich Haupt's daughter, Karoline, was born in (1900 - 1901); therefore, we can assume that Heinrich was most likely born between 1850 and 1882.
Allen Thigpen
R&B Stewart wrote:
______________________________________________Hello Allen, I'm wondering if you have a date of birth for Heinrich Haupt. The LDS have these entries for Heinrich Haupt:
Heinrich Friedrich Ferdinand Haupt Birth: 22 JAN 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen Christening: 28 MAR 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Heinrich Friedrich August Haupt Birth: 19 JAN 1882 Christening: 05 MAR 1882 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, PreussenDeath:
Heinrich Wilhelm Gustav Haupt Birth: 30 OCT 1887 Christening: 01 JAN 1888 Hannover Stadt, Hannover
There are others listed.
Barbara
on 12/2/06 2:27 PM, Allen T. at athn(a)alltel.net wrote:
Greeting Hannover Genealogy Researchers:______________________________________________
I have some questions regarding Hannover in the time period 1870 -1950. How might I go about matching an address in Hannover to the name of the person said to be living there? In a ship record of entry into New York, having sailed from Germany, a relative indicated that her father had an address in Hannover. She gave the address as: Garteneg 6, Hannover. From a 1901 map of Hannover (wonderfully scanned in color) the city is laid out with its various districts and streets. The index for the map lists six "Gartens" with various names. This is the link:
http://www.hicleones.com/callmap-e.php?tekst=10049&map=Hanover%2FHannover%20 -% 20City
I am wondering if perhaps the Gartens were numbered by the locals and used to describe a part of the city of Hannover they lived. This is what I am working with:
*Place in Hannover*: Hannover, Garteneg 6 *Person residing there*: Heinrich Haupt *When*: 1870 -- 1950 *Daughter of Heinrich Haupt*: Karoline Thigpen (presumably Karoline Haupt before marriage to Thigpen) *Time Frame*: Address of Hannover, Garteneg 6 was given on New York port entry record in 1925. Karoline stated that this was her father's address.
My objective is to find Heinrich Haupt and and his family. Heinrich Haupt's daughter, Karoline, married my cousin, William D. Thigpen around 1920-1925.
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Date: 2006/12/03 05:42:44
From: Allen T. <athn(a)alltel.net>
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Date: 2006/12/03 06:07:20
From: JANE E SWAN <jeswansong(a)earthlink.net>
Hi Allen: Most of the "gardens" on your map are part of the Herrenhausen Gartens, a huge royal park outside of the city. I, too, believe that you mean Gartenweg, which means Garden Way, suggesting that it is a tiny street probably too small to be shown on the map. More like a Lane in English. Jane JANE E SWAN jeswansong(a)earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
Date: 2006/12/03 07:21:20
From: Will J van Dreven-Lieuwes <vandreve(a)iafrica.com>
Kirchenkreisamt Uelzen Taubenstr. 1 D 29525 Uelzen Germany -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of DSore10588(a)aol.com Sent: 03 December 2006 05:00 To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [HN] Address help Could someone please tell me the correct format (what goes on each line) for addressing the envelope to send a letter to this address? , , - Germany And, could you also tell me who I am writing to? How should I address the letter? Thank you. Janet ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2006/12/03 07:22:39
From: Will J van Dreven-Lieuwes <vandreve(a)iafrica.com>
Kirch=church so i think it is the Church office of Uelzen Willemine SOuth africa -----Original Message----- From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of DSore10588(a)aol.com Sent: 03 December 2006 05:00 To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: [HN] Address help Could someone please tell me the correct format (what goes on each line) for addressing the envelope to send a letter to this address? Kirchenkreisamt Uelzen, Taubenstr. 1, D 29525 Uelzen- Germany And, could you also tell me who I am writing to? How should I address the letter? Thank you. Janet ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2006/12/03 07:46:03
From: Will J van Dreven-Lieuwes <vandreve(a)iafrica.com>
-From Stolzenau in the HANNOVER area, came a forefather named WILHELM HARZFELD(t) probably born in about 1741 and went to the Netherlands Aida does not give me any names - or further information! Has anybody ever came accross the name Von Harzfeldt or Harzfeld ? Elisabeth von (de) Harzfeld * ca 1450 Joannes Henricus Harzfeld *10 Mai 1711 baptized Sankt Lambertus Katholisch, Duesseldorf Stadt, Rheinland, Preussen Ferdinandus (de)(von) Harzfeld * ca 1790 Wiedenbruck Germany Also the name Harzfeld is found in quite an extended Jewish family ca 1818 in Westfalen Prussia.(most emigrated to the USA) Ida (die Heilige) von Herzfeld * 749 she married:Egbert von Sachsen herfather = Karlmann Koning van Franken - mother is Gerberga Koningin van Franken Please can anybody help?? Thank you very much Willemine (speaks German too)
Date: 2006/12/03 09:23:20
From: Albert Emmerich <Emmerich.Albert(a)t-online.de>
Gartenweg is a little street in southern part of the city of Hannover. See Google map, link: http://maps.google.de/maps?near=Hannover&q=Gartenweg&f=l&hl=de&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=52.324849,9.725647&spn=0.01857,0.039911&om=1 Albert (Emmerich) Cremlingen, Lower Saxony, Germany "Allen T." <mailto:athn(a)alltel.net> schrieb: > I believe the term "Gartenweg 6" is an address in Hannover. Have any of > you come across any terms like this or similar to this in referring to a > place or address in Hannover? The English translation in "Garden Way" > > Best regards, > Allen Thigpen > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > mailto:Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >
Date: 2006/12/03 11:25:04
From: AJHattorf <AJHattorf(a)aol.com>
Hi Cord Vielen Dank für die Mail, jetzt bin ich erstmal etwas ratlos und erschlagen. Sind das nun echte von Hattorf oder wie sie sich früher geschrieben haben von Hattorp oder de Hattorpe oder sind das welche die sich Osterode genannt haben und den Zusatz von Hattorf tragen, weil sie von dort gekommen sind? Ich habe die Mail zu meinen Daten abgespeichert, ich brauche hier sicher noch mehr Puzzleteile um diesen alten Rittern von Hattorf auf die Schliche zu kommen, die Forschungen sind recht schwierig. Aber einen Berthold von Hattorf hat es tatsächlich gegeben ein Knappe. Das Dumme an der ganzen Geschichte ist nur: Es gab dereinst 3 Hattorf in Deutschland. Eins in der Nähe von Osterode daß hieß genau wie die alten Ritter erst Hattorp, Hattorff heute Hattorf, dann gibt es eins in der Nähe von Wolfsburg und es gab bis 1130 eins in der Nähe von Soest das heißt heute allerdings Hattrop, wurde umbenannt. Im 13. Jahrhundert habe ich 5 von Hattorp (Hattorpe) Familien. Davon sind allerdings 4 miteinander verwandt, die in Soest, Lübeck, Reval und Riga, wäre also komisch, wenn ausgerechnet Ecbert von Hattorp, der 40 Jahre älter ist als die anderen nicht dazugehören würde. Viele Grüße Armin
Date: 2006/12/03 11:45:37
From: Jurgen Schwiening <schwiening(a)tesco.net>
Liebe Familienforscher, Ich hätte gern gewusst, ob sich jemand für die Geschichte des Dorfes Holzerode am Harz und die dortige Schule interessiert oder sogar erforscht. Mein Interesse daran ist folgendes: Der Onkel meines Grossvaters war dort um 1890 herum Lehrer. Sein Name war Carl Isenhut. Ich habe einige Erinnerungen meines Grossvaters Otto Becker, der dort bis etwa 1895 im Schulhaus wohnte und in die Schule ging. Jürgen Schwiening, Market Bosworth, England
Date: 2006/12/03 11:49:16
From: Joannah Sharratt <joannah(a)sharratt594.fsnet.co.uk>
I can look up Hanoverian soldiers in the Kew Record Office for 1812, when I go down next. There is one book on the library shelf that is a compiled list. It will give me something to do whilst waiting the half-hour for ordered documents to arrive.
I do not know yet when I may be able to do this. It may now have to wait until after Christmas. I live in South England, and the railway service is notorious at this time of year, especially at weekends, which is the most likely time when I can go.
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