hannover-l - Nachricht 2006-09 00384

[rinnejk <rinnejk(a)aol.com>]

Thank you...
 
I was with some of her grandchildren and great grandchildren today.  It was the 80th birthday of one of her granddaughters....   only one seemed to know anything.  I did find another second cousin who is also researching.... she has not found anything on Katherine either. 
 
One grandchild - now 84 - seems to remember her mom saying Katherine came from Hanover at age 6
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: krumbar(a)comcast.net
To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
Sent: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Katherine Doctor


I hope Janice sees your email, because we all know to be fluid with our 
spelling. Smudged letters and just plain old mistakes can make for 
interesting things. (I got a letter recently from someone looking for one of 
my lines, and I suspect the spelling was either misspelled on a census or 
that branch of the family simply changed their name somewhat.)

I confirmed the pronunciation of Katherine's married name just this morning 
with a gentleman who knew Katherine Doctor's children and probably knows 
some of her grandchildren -- and Katherine's name is Doctor. All I had to 
say to him was Katherine Doctor, and he supplied the married name 
immediately as I had forgotten to bring Janice's email with me and couldn't 
remember it immediately. He pronounced the second syllable "hoy". An 
interesting thing is that he also toyed with "Noyn-hoy-ser" but never 
"Neen-hoo-ser" or "Neen-hi-ser."

Katherine and her husband lived in Alma. The distance from Alma to Concordia 
is very short, and Concordia (Harmony in its earliest years) is a center of 
Lutheran education, having had a pre-ministerial boarding high school and 
junior college -- all male for many years -- then became a coed school at 
the college level for teacher training and now is a coed high school with 
both boarders and "townies," as we called them.

The presence of a campus on such a grand scale for the time and in that 
place made for jobs. At 50 miles, it was a loooong way from Kansas City in 
those days, and even farther from St. Louis, the acknowleged "center" of 
ministerial training in those years, though always challenged by 
Springfield, Ill. and now Fort Wayne.

My friend was a "townie," though many years before I enrolled as a secunda 
(female student in the second-from-highest class). In my day, the school was 
St. Paul Lutheran High School and St. Paul Junior College. (Our mail bags 
often ended up at Concordia College, St. Paul, Minnesota.) Only the high 
school remains, and much of the campus -- including some of the furniture in 
the dorm rooms! -- remains the same as it was in the 1960s, though Founders 
Hall burned with a great crashing of pianos into the basement, the dining 
hall was torn down and replaced with a new building at the other end of the 
campus, the old high school men's dormitory (Blitz Hall I think) has 
recently been spared from demolition with a major renovation funded largely 
by the alumni.

The campus was both much loved and much despised. I suppose that's true of 
most.

Loretta
SPC '62


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R&B Stewart" <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [HN] Katherine Doctor


Hello,
      I'm wondering if the spelling of the name is Nienheuser (more likely
Nienhueser?).  I've seen both.

    I came across two listings on the LDS page of Katherine Doetar married
to Henry Nienhueser.  Have you looked at that?  Both give an address for the
person who placed it there.  You could try to contact her and see where she
got the information. The birth of Katherine is listed as 1869 in Alma, MO.
Granted that could be all wrong. The listings have both Katherine and Henry
born  in Alma, MO.  Do you have a copy of their marriage?  That may give the
birthplace. Or the children's baptisms or birth records may have it.  What
do the various census say about birthplace?

    I think you would do well if you used Ancestry.com.  They have many of
the census records right online.  Other items like marriages and immigration
records.  It costs money--I don't know exactly how much.  It is usually
available on computers in LDS centers (free).  Also in city libraries
(free).  I think you will surely might find more information using Ancestry.

    I've done a lot of searching online and just can't come up with anything
helpful for you.  I'm sure you will find the information on that couple
eventually.  It does take time.

Good luck,
Barbara

on 9/22/06 1:17 PM, rinnejk(a)aol.com at rinnejk(a)aol.com wrote:

> The only informtion I have been able to get is the following:
> Katherine Doctor born 1/13/1864 - died 4/10/1940 in Alma, Missouri
> Married to Henry F Nienheuser (DOB 2/26/1861)
> they lived in Alma, Missouri (Lafayette County)
>
> They had 11 children (all deceased)
> William
> Arthur
> Edward
> Wilhelm
> Anna
> Touchter
> Reinhold 1/21/1897 - 9/27/1984 - I think he lived in Alma, Missouri
> Regina 7/27/1899 - 10/19/1975 - married name Becker - lived in Concordia,
> Missouri
> Lena 2/11/1895 - 8/25/1971 married to Herman Steffens lived in Concordia,
> Lexington, & Corder, Missouri
> Marie 4/24/1893 - 5/31/1985 married to Adolph Steffens lived in Concordia 
> and
> Auville, Missouri
> Fred
>
> Will this likely be enough information?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: raybarbara(a)comcast.net
> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net
> Sent: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [HN] Katherine Doctor
>
>
> Hello Jan,
>
> I would disagree with Gale that there aren't persons from Germany
> with the name of Doctor (as a surname).  There are 21 hits on the German
> metasearch site and a few on rootsweb, several on castlegarden.org  - also
> quite a few in today's telephone book.
>
> However, Gale is right that we need more information.  One important
> item is what part of Germany is she from?  That should be listed on a
> census.  Did she marry--what is her husband's name?  etc etc.
>
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> on 9/22/06 5:45 AM, gale(a)bosche.info at gale(a)bosche.info wrote:
>
>> Hi Jan:
>>
>> It appears that you have a lot of home work to do
>> States-side before looking in Germany.
>>
>> 1.  Doctor was unlikely Doctor in Germany.  I believe that
>> it would be translated Doktor.  On the other hand it could
>> be an American phonetic spelling (sound) of the word.
>>
>> 2.  Give the list some hints.
>> You gave the birth date.
>> Young age 1 to 10 ?  10 to 20?
>> If under 18 or 20 there would probably been someone else
>> with her.  Who?
>> Where did she live in the States?  The List can be helpful
>> in finding information States-side.
>> Was she married, have children?
>> Doctor her maiden name, I assume so, but it is best to
>> confirm.
>>
>> Don' worry, I bet you will get a lot of ideas.
>>
>> Gale
>>
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:20:19 -0400
>> rinnejk(a)aol.com wrote:
>>> Hi am looking for a Katherine Doctor
>>> born January 13, 1864 in Germany
>>>
>>>
>>> believed to have come to America at a young age
>>>
>>> Jan Steffens Rinne
>>>
>>>
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