Date: 2006/08/01 11:32:30
From: Ahnen-Meissner <Ahnen-Meissner(a)gmx.de>
Hallo zusammen, ich habe mich heute hier angemeldet, da sich herausgestellt hat, daß Vorfahren meiner Lebensgefährtin aus und um Einbeck stammen. Kurz zu meiner Person: Ich bin 31Jahre alt, wohne und arbeite in Freising und beschäftige mich seit ca. 8 Jahren mit der Ahnenforschung. Meine Schwerpunkte liegen bislang in Württemberg, Rheinland, Westfalen und Westpreußen. Bei den in und um Einbeck gesuchten Personen handelt es sich um das Ehepaar Grube und Lohe: der Gärtner Heinrich Friedrich Wilhelm Grube, * ca. 1838 in Einbeck, + 1875 in Einbeck. Vater: Heinrich Grube aus Einbeck verheiratet mit Henriette Friederike Lohe, * ca. 1826 in Gladebeck, + 1902 in Einbeck. Ihr Vater ist der Tischler Andreas Lohe aus Gladebeck und Sophia Walter. Ich suche nun nach der Heirat der beiden und natürlich deren Vorfahren. Bei der Lohe-Linie hilft mir hoffentlich das Ortsfamilienbuch, bei Grube bin ich auf Euch/Sie angewiesen, da es leider auch keine KB-Verfilmung bei den Mormonen gibt. Ich hoffe auf einen regen Austausch. Gruß aus Bayern, Daniel (Meißner) -- Echte DSL-Flatrate dauerhaft für 0,- Euro*. Nur noch kurze Zeit! "Feel free" mit GMX DSL: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
Date: 2006/08/01 18:21:16
From: Petra <petra.tr(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste, ich komme bei meinen Urgroßeltern einfach nicht weiter. Auf keiner der Urkunden meiner Großmutter stehen außer den Namen ihrer Eltern irgendwelche Daten. Hat irgend jemand Zugriff auf Adressbücher und/oder Meldebücher aus Hannover aus dem Jahre 1903 bis ca. 1924 ? Ich versuche herauszufinden, ob und wann sie nach Hannover zugezogen sind. Das muss nach 1903 passiert sein, denn meine Großmutter, Minna Meta Annaliese Schwerdthelm ist 1903 in Osterode am Harz geboren. Eventuell haben um 1880-1895/1900 ihre Eltern auch schon mal in Hannover gewohnt. Die Namen der Eltern: Karl Friedrich Adolf Schwerdthelm und Auguste Dorothee Karoline , geb. Grupe Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar. (habe bereits das Einwonheramt angeschrieben, aber leider noch keine Antwort.) Gruß Petra
Date: 2006/08/01 21:27:24
From: Edith M Burk <emburk(a)juno.com>
Hi Barbara, I checked my grandfather's death certificate at the Court House in Minn and it did not have his place of birth, just Germany. I did find a Johann Clausen in the New York Passenger lists that could be him and it shows Place of Origin as PreuBen. He sailed on the Westphalia. He arrived 12 May 1880. I also found a Margaretha Clausen, near the right age, arriving in New York on the Suevia with a place of Origin as PreuBen, same as Johann. She arrived 20 Jun 1878. It's possible she came first, but I have no way of knowing. Is there a way to check the place of Origin? I still haven't found the sister - Emma. Don't know her birthdate either. Edith
Date: 2006/08/01 23:49:58
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>
Hallo Petra , :-) hast du in den standesamtlichen Bescheinigungen auch nur Namen gefunden? Hier hatte ich meist Glück, wenn in den Kirchenbüchern nichts hilfreiches stand. Die Meldekarteien sind auch ganz hifreich. Die sind aber von Ort zu Ort unterschiedlich gelagert, und meistens müssen, meines Wissens nach, die Personen erst 100 Jahre verstorben sein, um dort zu landen. Ich glaube das liegt am Datenschutz ! Eventuell kann jemand mich berichtigen, wenn ich falsch liege. Hausbücher gibt es in Hannover ! Anders als in meinem kleinen Ort. Eventuell könnten noch Einwohnerzählungen helfen. Liebe Grüße sendet dir Petra :-) ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: [HN] Suche in Hannover nach SCHWERDTHELM und GRUPE- Adressbuch? Gesendet: Di 01 Aug 2006 18:21:33 CEST Von: "Petra"<petra.tr(a)t-online.de> > Hallo Liste, > > ich komme bei meinen Urgroßeltern einfach nicht weiter. Auf keiner der > Urkunden meiner Großmutter stehen außer den Namen ihrer Eltern irgendwelche > Daten. > > Hat irgend jemand Zugriff auf Adressbücher und/oder Meldebücher aus > Hannover > aus dem Jahre 1903 bis ca. 1924 ? > Ich versuche herauszufinden, ob und wann sie nach Hannover zugezogen sind. > Das muss nach 1903 passiert sein, denn meine Großmutter, Minna Meta > Annaliese Schwerdthelm ist 1903 in Osterode am Harz geboren. > Eventuell haben um 1880-1895/1900 ihre Eltern auch schon mal in Hannover > gewohnt. > Die Namen der Eltern: > Karl Friedrich Adolf Schwerdthelm und Auguste Dorothee Karoline , geb. > Grupe > > > Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar. > (habe bereits das Einwonheramt angeschrieben, aber leider noch keine > Antwort.) > > Gruß > Petra > > > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > --- original Nachricht Ende ----
Date: 2006/08/02 04:55:49
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hi Edith,
So much for the death certificate. Maybe the marriage license for John
Peter Claussen and Mary Kroeger in Illinois in 1883 may have the place of
birth:
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html
I think that you will have to find the birthplace here in the U.S. When
I saw that long list of Claussens (Clausens) that were on that list from
Holstein, I don't know how you can ever be sure which would be your
Claussen. On the LDS website, there are so many listings of a Peter
Claussen (as well as John) in that time period. You have John Peter's
birthdate, but there could be an error there as well.
Some passenger lists name a place of origin, but I think most do not.
Someone may know what the likelihood would be. I would be surprised if
Margaretha would have come by herself unless she was married already.
I would think the marriage license from the state of Illinois would tell
you if it was a church marriage or not. Have you contacted any Church in
Rock Island? Actually, the marriages on the Illinois index are listed by
county--do you know where John Clausen lived in Ill? I forget all the
places you have already searched.
In the Illinois marriage index, there are 4 Emma Claussen marriages in
1887, 1888, 1892, 1899. The spouses are listed if you care to look at them.
I thought since John Clausen and Mary Kroeger were married in Illinois, his
sisters may have been married there as well.
There is a Margaret Clausen marriage listed in Illinois as well, but
it's in 1908. Husband Herman Fasbender. Also, a Anna Margarethe married in
1899 in Cook county to Laurits Pedersen.
On that marriage index, you can run a search with just one last name and
see what you come up with. It's too bad not every state has such an index.
I wish I could find that birthplace for you!
Barbara
on 8/1/06 1:10 PM, Edith M Burk at emburk(a)juno.com wrote:
> Hi Barbara,
>
> I checked my grandfather's death certificate at the Court House in Minn
> and it did not have his
> place of birth, just Germany. I did find a Johann Clausen in the New
> York Passenger lists
> that could be him and it shows Place of Origin as PreuBen. He sailed on
> the Westphalia. He
> arrived 12 May 1880.
>
> I also found a Margaretha Clausen, near the right age, arriving in New
> York on the Suevia
> with a place of Origin as PreuBen, same as Johann. She arrived 20 Jun
> 1878.
>
> It's possible she came first, but I have no way of knowing. Is there a
> way to check the
> place of Origin? I still haven't found the sister - Emma. Don't know
> her birthdate either.
> Edith
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Date: 2006/08/02 05:39:15
From: Edith M Burk <emburk(a)juno.com>
Hi Barbara The marriage license shows his place of birth as Holstien, Germany. It looks like the father's name if Peder Clausen and the mother is Elsabeth Liehm. John was 34 when he married and Mary was 23. this was in 1883. Edith
Date: 2006/08/02 05:45:38
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Edith!
I think I found it! Your John Peter's birthplace is Heide.
Dithmarschen Emigrants (1868-1920)
If a person wants to emigrate to another country, e.g., USA or Brazil, or
within Germany to another city or county, he has to make application to
leave. For Schleswig-Holstein, applications are available at Landesarchiv
Schleswig. Applications exist for only about 10 percent of the emigrants; 90
percent of emigrants either did not make applications or the application is
lost.
A Genealogical Researcher in Dithmarschen (Mr. Jochims) has spent two years
to built this database by the informations of the applications of emigration
[Landesarchiv Schleswig Abt.309]. He was able to locate about 3600 from
Dithmarschen emigrated persons.
Go to this page which has the names of persons beginning with C:
http://www.genealogy-sh.de/E/dithm/c.htm
If you scroll down, there is this:
Clausen, Johann Peter Nicolaus = born in Heide on 9 Jul 1849
There is an Emma there, also from Heide - I'm not sure if she is the right
one. You can figure all that out.
I hope this is it!
Barbara
> Hi Edith,
>
> So much for the death certificate. Maybe the marriage license for John
> Peter Claussen and Mary Kroeger in Illinois in 1883 may have the place of
> birth:
> http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html
>
> I think that you will have to find the birthplace here in the U.S. When
> I saw that long list of Claussens (Clausens) that were on that list from
> Holstein, I don't know how you can ever be sure which would be your
> Claussen. On the LDS website, there are so many listings of a Peter
> Claussen (as well as John) in that time period. You have John Peter's
> birthdate, but there could be an error there as well.
>
> Some passenger lists name a place of origin, but I think most do not.
> Someone may know what the likelihood would be. I would be surprised if
> Margaretha would have come by herself unless she was married already.
>
> I would think the marriage license from the state of Illinois would tell
> you if it was a church marriage or not. Have you contacted any Church in
> Rock Island? Actually, the marriages on the Illinois index are listed by
> county--do you know where John Clausen lived in Ill? I forget all the
> places you have already searched.
>
> In the Illinois marriage index, there are 4 Emma Claussen marriages in
> 1887, 1888, 1892, 1899. The spouses are listed if you care to look at them.
> I thought since John Clausen and Mary Kroeger were married in Illinois, his
> sisters may have been married there as well.
>
> There is a Margaret Clausen marriage listed in Illinois as well, but
> it's in 1908. Husband Herman Fasbender. Also, a Anna Margarethe married in
> 1899 in Cook county to Laurits Pedersen.
>
> On that marriage index, you can run a search with just one last name and
> see what you come up with. It's too bad not every state has such an index.
>
> I wish I could find that birthplace for you!
>
> Barbara
>
> on 8/1/06 1:10 PM, Edith M Burk at emburk(a)juno.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Barbara,
>>
>> I checked my grandfather's death certificate at the Court House in Minn
>> and it did not have his
>> place of birth, just Germany. I did find a Johann Clausen in the New
>> York Passenger lists
>> that could be him and it shows Place of Origin as PreuBen. He sailed on
>> the Westphalia. He
>> arrived 12 May 1880.
>>
>> I also found a Margaretha Clausen, near the right age, arriving in New
>> York on the Suevia
>> with a place of Origin as PreuBen, same as Johann. She arrived 20 Jun
>> 1878.
>>
>> It's possible she came first, but I have no way of knowing. Is there a
>> way to check the
>> place of Origin? I still haven't found the sister - Emma. Don't know
>> her birthdate either.
>> Edith
>> ______________________________________________
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Date: 2006/08/02 08:32:24
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
I checked my grandfather's death certificate at the Court House in Minn and it did not have his place of birth, just Germany. I did find a Johann Clausen in the New York Passenger lists that could be him and it shows Place of Origin as PreuBen. He sailed on the Westphalia. He arrived 12 May 1880.
I also found a Margaretha Clausen, near the right age, arriving in New York on the Suevia with a place of Origin as PreuBen, same as Johann. She arrived 20 Jun 1878.
It's possible she came first, but I have no way of knowing. Is there a way to check the place of Origin? I still haven't found the sister - Emma. Don't know her birthdate either. Edith ______________________________________________
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Date: 2006/08/02 09:03:18
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>
Liebe Familienforscher! Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Wer kann helfen? Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn
Date: 2006/08/02 09:04:37
From: Petra.Tr(a)t-online.de <Petra.Tr(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Petra ;-P Ja, leider. in der Geburtsurkunde meiner Oma stehen nur die Namen ihrer Eltern und dass sie zu diesem Zeitpunkt in Osterode am Harz gewohnt haben( dort, wo meine Oma geboren ist). Ein Heirats - oder Sterbeeintrag der Eltern findet sich in Osterode nicht. Ich habe dann aus Hannover die Heiratsurkunde meiner Oma angefordert- sie hatte dort am 30.08.1923 geheiratet. Dort wird zu ihren Eltern ünerhaupt keine Angabe gemacht. Lediglich einer der Trauzeugen wird mit Karl Schwerdthelm angegeben, 65-jährig. Es könnte also ihr Vater oder Onkel gewesen sein. Leider ist das Standesamt in Hannover ziemlich restriktiv, was Auskünfte angeht. Meine Urgroßeltern hießen ja Karl Friedrich Adolf Schwerdthelm und Auguste Dorothee Karoline , geb. Grupe In der Mormonen-Datenbank habe ich nun einen Adolf Friedrich Karl Schwerdthelm gefunden, der mit einer Johanna Elisa Augusta Grupe verheiratet war und die mindestens 2 Kinder hatten die 1855 und 1890 in Hannover geboren sind. Ich vermute ja, dass der Herr mein Urgroßvater IST( der Vornamen wegen), aber mangels Daten (Geburt, Heirat etc.) habe ich keinerlei Möglichkeit, das Standesamt Hannover zum Suchen zu bewegen. Bei Johanna Elisa Augusta Grupe ( von der ich annehme, sie könnte eine Schwester meiner Urgroßmutter sein) wurde mir zwar mitgeteilt, dass es Urkunden gäbe, aber da ich nicht nachweisen kann, dass ich mit ihr verwandt bin, bekommen ich keine Auskünfte. Es ist zum Verzweifeln. Gruß Petra -----ursprüngliche Nachricht----------- Hallo Petra , :-) hast du in den standesamtlichen Bescheinigungen auch nur Namen gefunden? Hier hatte ich meist Glück, wenn in den Kirchenbüchern nichts hilfreiches stand. Die Meldekarteien sind auch ganz hifreich. Die sind aber von Ort zu Ort unterschiedlich gelagert, und meistens müssen, meines Wissens nach, die Personen erst 100 Jahre verstorben sein, um dort zu landen. Ich glaube das liegt am Datenschutz ! Eventuell kann jemand mich berichtigen, wenn ich falsch liege. Hausbücher gibt es in Hannover ! Anders als in meinem kleinen Ort. Eventuell könnten noch Einwohnerzählungen helfen. Liebe Grüße sendet dir Petra :-)
Date: 2006/08/02 20:05:41
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Edith,
This provides some information about the county of Dithmarschen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dithmarschen
also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heide
There are a number of Claussen/Clausen names on the LDS site that
could tie in with that family. For instance, there is a Peter Claussen from
Heide, born 1825 (parents: Peter Joh.N.Claussen and Antje Speck). He could
be the father of John Peter. There is also a listing for Clausen in
Weddingstedt, which is nearby. The spelling of that name probably goes back
and forth (s or ss)
The LDS have church records and other records for Heide that may be
helpful. I hope you are near a LDS center. There seems to be a
Norderdithmarschen and a Suderdithmarschen (north and south?) - probably
all the same at one time.
Barbara
Date: 2006/08/02 20:21:00
From: d.foulkes <d.foulkes(a)tiscali.co.uk>
I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later known as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool around 1862. His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married in Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last one in 1894. He died in Liverpool 1912.
Date: 2006/08/02 20:52:49
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hello,
Is he the Alexander Myers. widower, in the British 1881 census with a
daughter Eliza, age 5? It's on the LDS page. That would make him born
about 1841--right?
Barbara
on 8/2/06 12:20 PM, d.foulkes at d.foulkes(a)tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later known
> as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool
> around 1862.
> His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married in
> Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last
> one in 1894.
> He died in Liverpool 1912.
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Date: 2006/08/02 21:48:47
From: Karsten Fahrenkohl <ar0908874286(a)arcor.de>
ich komme bei meinen Urgroßeltern einfach nicht weiter. Auf keiner der Urkunden meiner Großmutter stehen außer den Namen ihrer Eltern irgendwelche Daten.
Hat irgend jemand Zugriff auf Adressbücher und/oder Meldebücher aus Hannover aus dem Jahre 1903 bis ca. 1924 ? Ich versuche herauszufinden, ob und wann sie nach Hannover zugezogen sind. Das muss nach 1903 passiert sein, denn meine Großmutter, Minna Meta Annaliese Schwerdthelm ist 1903 in Osterode am Harz geboren. Eventuell haben um 1880-1895/1900 ihre Eltern auch schon mal in Hannover gewohnt. Die Namen der Eltern: Karl Friedrich Adolf Schwerdthelm und Auguste Dorothee Karoline , geb. Grupe
Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar. (habe bereits das Einwonheramt angeschrieben, aber leider noch keine Antwort.)
Gruß Petra
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Date: 2006/08/02 21:51:19
From: Karsten Fahrenkohl <ar0908874286(a)arcor.de>
ich komme bei meinen Urgroßeltern einfach nicht weiter. Auf keiner der Urkunden meiner Großmutter stehen außer den Namen ihrer Eltern irgendwelche Daten.
Hat irgend jemand Zugriff auf Adressbücher und/oder Meldebücher aus Hannover aus dem Jahre 1903 bis ca. 1924 ? Ich versuche herauszufinden, ob und wann sie nach Hannover zugezogen sind. Das muss nach 1903 passiert sein, denn meine Großmutter, Minna Meta Annaliese Schwerdthelm ist 1903 in Osterode am Harz geboren. Eventuell haben um 1880-1895/1900 ihre Eltern auch schon mal in Hannover gewohnt. Die Namen der Eltern: Karl Friedrich Adolf Schwerdthelm und Auguste Dorothee Karoline , geb. Grupe
Für jeden Hinweis bin ich dankbar. (habe bereits das Einwonheramt angeschrieben, aber leider noch keine Antwort.)
Gruß Petra
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Date: 2006/08/02 22:23:53
From: d.foulkes <d.foulkes(a)tiscali.co.uk>
Is he the Alexander Myers. widower, in the British 1881 census with a daughter Eliza, age 5? It's on the LDS page. That would make him born about 1841--right?
I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later known
as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool
around 1862.
His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married in
Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last
one in 1894.
He died in Liverpool 1912.
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Date: 2006/08/03 01:57:37
From: Edith M Burk <emburk(a)juno.com>
Barbara Thank you so much, I checked out the sites and believe my grandfather and his sisters are on the list. I will have to check further, now that I have some birth dates for Emma, maybe I'll have better luck finding her. edith
Date: 2006/08/03 07:05:44
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
From: Edith M Burk <emburk(a)juno.com> To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Subject: Re: [HN] finding great-grandfather Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:18:21 -0500
Barbara Thank you so much, I checked out the sites and believe my grandfather and his sisters are on the list. I will have to check further, now that I have some birth dates for Emma, maybe I'll have better luck finding her. edith
Date: 2006/08/03 13:59:07
From: jmbtwb <jmbtwb(a)isd.net>
Joanne Becker St. Michael, Minnesota
Date: 2006/08/03 22:46:06
From: Eberhard Haering <eb.haering(a)t-online.de>
Hello Mr./Mrs. no name,I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later known as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool around 1862. His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married in Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last one in 1894. He died in Liverpool 1912. ______________________________________________
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Date: 2006/08/04 07:59:13
From: ksturges <ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk>
Dear Eberhard, My great, great grandfather was a sugarbaker who came to England about 1850 from Hannover. His name was Diedrich Klinker. I wonder if you could send me a copy of the article too. I'd be very grateful. Thanks and regards, Keith Sturges >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:38:40 +0200 >From: Eberhard Haering <eb.haering(a)t-online.de> >To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) >Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> > > >d.foulkes schrieb: > >>I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later >known as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool >around 1862. >>His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married >in Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the >last one in 1894. >>He died in Liverpool 1912. >>______________________________________________ >> >>Hannover-L mailing list >>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >> >> >> >Hello Mr./Mrs. no name, >if you are interested I may send you an article about German merchants >and sugar bakers (though written in German). It mainly deals with German > >immigrants to England during the 18th and 19th century. The title is: >Margrit Schulte Beerb?hl, Horst R?ssler "Kaufleute und Zuckerb?cker - >Zum Verh?ltnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung der deutschen >Englandwanderung des 18. und 19.Jahrhunderts". Sorry, I don't know where > >and when it was published. >Greetings from Bremen >Eberhard Haering >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/
Date: 2006/08/04 12:54:54
From: Falk Liebezeit <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de>
Hello D. and Eberhard, It was published in the Maus (Bremen genealogical association) publication on the speeches held at the 54. Deutscher Genealogentag(genealogical conference) in Bremen 20th through 23rd of September 2002: Margrit Schulte Beerbühl/ Horst Rößler, Kaufleute und Zuckerbäcker. Zum Verhältnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung am Beispiel der Deuschen Englandwanderungen des 18. und 19. Jahrhunderts, in: über Bremen in die Welt, hrsg. Die Maus. Gesellschaft für Familienforschung e.V., Bremen 2002, S.107-120 Greetings from Diepholz Falk Liebezeit -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net Gesendet: Freitag, 4. 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Re: Alexander Myers (Meyer) (ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:52:01 -0500 From: jmbtwb <jmbtwb(a)isd.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Finding Great Grandfather To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Message-ID: <44D1E361.7070803(a)isd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Many times, it is very difficult to find the place of origin in Germany. There is one source that is not mentioned very often which was very useful for me. The source is church registration records in the U.S. When a new member joins a church, they often have to register. In my case, I was trying to find the place of birth of my oldest uncle. In the church registration records of new members in my home town church, my grandparents had to state the place and date of each baptism of the current family members to document that they were members of the Lutheran church and had been baptized. This information confirmed the place of baptism of each of my grandparents and also my oldest uncle!! I don't know if all churches had this kind of record, but it is sure worth asking about. Unfortunately, as we are searching, if we don't ask the right question, we don't get the right answer!! And, this is a source that many people do not know about. I just returned from a wonderful trip to Germany visiting the areas of both Magdeburg and Lüneburg. At the Lüneburg Stadtarchiv, I was searching for an old address book to tell what houses my family lived in, which the archiv did not have for the years I was searching. I continued to ask questions as to what other records they had that would contain addresses. I ended up searching through several tax record books (not indexed), eventually finding my two families. I came home with wonderful old photos of my family homes from the archives along with new photos!! So, if one door closes, hopefully another door will open! Joanne Becker St. Michael, Minnesota ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:38:40 +0200 From: Eberhard Haering <eb.haering(a)t-online.de> Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Message-ID: <44D25ED0.2040804(a)t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed d.foulkes schrieb: >I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later known as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool around 1862. >His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married in Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last one in 1894. >He died in Liverpool 1912. >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > > > Hello Mr./Mrs. no name, if you are interested I may send you an article about German merchants and sugar bakers (though written in German). It mainly deals with German immigrants to England during the 18th and 19th century. The title is: Margrit Schulte Beerbühl, Horst Rössler "Kaufleute und Zuckerbäcker - Zum Verhältnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung der deutschen Englandwanderung des 18. und 19.Jahrhunderts". Sorry, I don't know where and when it was published. Greetings from Bremen Eberhard Haering ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 06:59:04 +0100 From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Message-ID: <44CDFFA400013E2A(a)mail-6-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Dear Eberhard, My great, great grandfather was a sugarbaker who came to England about 1850 from Hannover. His name was Diedrich Klinker. I wonder if you could send me a copy of the article too. I'd be very grateful. Thanks and regards, Keith Sturges >-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:38:40 +0200 >From: Eberhard Haering <eb.haering(a)t-online.de> >To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) >Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> > > >d.foulkes schrieb: > >>I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer >>later >known as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in >Liverpool around 1862. >>His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He >>married >in Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being >the last one in 1894. >>He died in Liverpool 1912. >>______________________________________________ >> >>Hannover-L mailing list >>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l >> >> >> >Hello Mr./Mrs. no name, >if you are interested I may send you an article about German merchants >and sugar bakers (though written in German). It mainly deals with >German > >immigrants to England during the 18th and 19th century. The title is: >Margrit Schulte Beerb?hl, Horst R?ssler "Kaufleute und Zuckerb?cker - >Zum Verh?ltnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung der deutschen >Englandwanderung des 18. und 19.Jahrhunderts". Sorry, I don't know >where > >and when it was published. >Greetings from Bremen >Eberhard Haering >______________________________________________ > >Hannover-L mailing list >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l Ende Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 33, Eintrag 5 *******************************************************
Date: 2006/08/04 14:22:26
From: Klaus Riecken <klaus(a)riecken-online.de>
It was published in the Maus (Bremen genealogical association) publication on the speeches held at the 54. Deutscher Genealogentag(genealogical conference) in Bremen 20th through 23rd of September 2002:
Margrit Schulte Beerbühl/ Horst Rößler, Kaufleute und Zuckerbäcker. Zum Verhältnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung am Beispiel der Deuschen Englandwanderungen des 18. und 19. Jahrhunderts, in: über Bremen in die Welt, hrsg. Die Maus. Gesellschaft für Familienforschung e.V., Bremen 2002, S.107-120
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:52:01 -0500 From: jmbtwb <jmbtwb(a)isd.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Finding Great Grandfather To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Message-ID: <44D1E361.7070803(a)isd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Many times, it is very difficult to find the place of origin in Germany. There is one source that is not mentioned very often which was very useful for me. The source is church registration records in the U.S. When a new member joins a church, they often have to register. In my case, I was trying to find the place of birth of my oldest uncle. In the church registration records of new members in my home town church, my grandparents had to state the place and date of each baptism of the current family members to document that they were members of the Lutheran church and had been baptized. This information confirmed the place of baptism of each of my grandparents and also my oldest uncle!! I don't know if all churches had this kind of record, but it is sure worth asking about. Unfortunately, as we are searching, if we don't ask the right question, we don't get the right answer!! And, this is a source that many people do not know about.
I just returned from a wonderful trip to Germany visiting the areas of both Magdeburg and Lüneburg. At the Lüneburg Stadtarchiv, I was searching for an old address book to tell what houses my family lived in, which the archiv did not have for the years I was searching. I continued to ask questions as to what other records they had that would contain addresses. I ended up searching through several tax record books (not indexed), eventually finding my two families. I came home with wonderful old photos of my family homes from the archives along with new photos!! So, if one door closes, hopefully another door will open!
Joanne Becker St. Michael, Minnesota
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:38:40 +0200 From: Eberhard Haering <eb.haering(a)t-online.de> Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Message-ID: <44D25ED0.2040804(a)t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later
known as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool around 1862.
His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married in
Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last one in 1894.
He died in Liverpool 1912. ______________________________________________
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Hello Mr./Mrs. no name, if you are interested I may send you an article about German merchants and sugar bakers (though written in German). It mainly deals with German immigrants to England during the 18th and 19th century. The title is: Margrit Schulte Beerbühl, Horst Rössler "Kaufleute und Zuckerbäcker - Zum Verhältnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung der deutschen Englandwanderung des 18. und 19.Jahrhunderts". Sorry, I don't know where and when it was published. Greetings from Bremen Eberhard Haering
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 06:59:04 +0100 From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Message-ID: <44CDFFA400013E2A(a)mail-6-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
My great, great grandfather was a sugarbaker who came to England about 1850 from Hannover. His name was Diedrich Klinker. I wonder if you could send me a copy of the article too. I'd be very grateful.
-- Original Message -- Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:38:40 +0200 From: Eberhard Haering <eb.haering(a)t-online.de> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net>
d.foulkes schrieb:
I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer laterknown as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool around 1862.His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He marriedin Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last one in 1894.He died in Liverpool 1912. ______________________________________________
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immigrants to England during the 18th and 19th century. The title is: Margrit Schulte Beerb?hl, Horst R?ssler "Kaufleute und Zuckerb?cker - Zum Verh?ltnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung der deutschen Englandwanderung des 18. und 19.Jahrhunderts". Sorry, I don't know where
and when it was published. Greetings from Bremen Eberhard Haering ______________________________________________
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Date: 2006/08/04 14:26:15
From: LoliNettling <LoliNettling(a)aol.com>
Liebe Liste, hat jemand zufaellig irgendwelche Bösenberg (Boesenberg) aus Hannover (Stadt oder Land) in seinen Unterlagen? Mein Urgrossvater hiess Wilhelm Bösenberg, geb.am 12.Nov.1859 in Hannover/Stadt oder Land, gest. am 24. Feb.1939 in Gross Lafferde, verheiratet mit Minna (Wilhelmine?) Lüddeke (Lueddeke) aus Gross Lafferde. Ich suche die Geschwister von Wilhelm Bösenberg und die Eltern, wenn möglich.Eine Schwester (Marie) wanderte in die USA aus (wann? und wohin??) Für jede Auskunft wäre ich sehr dankbar! Loretta Nettling Dear members of the list, if anyone would have any Boesenberg (Bösenberg) from Hannover (city or kingdom) in his research, I would be very grateful for any information. My greatgrandfather was Wilhelm Boesenberg (Bösenberg), born in Hannover on Nov.12,1859, later married Minna (=Wilhelmine?) Lueddeke (Lüddeke) in Gross Lafferde where he also died on Feb.24, 1939. I am searching for the names of his sisters and brothers and if possible, his parents.One of his sisters (=Marie) emigrated to the US (when?? and where to???) Thanks a lot! Loretta Nettling (email: _LoliNettling(a)aol.com_ (mailto:LoliNettling(a)aol.com) )
Date: 2006/08/04 15:08:48
From: IGO-Firma <igo(a)firma-kessel.de>
http://www.mawer.clara.net/sugarkk.html Hier findet man Sugar Refiners and sugarbakers Database online. Ingrid (Gottschalk) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Riecken" <klaus(a)riecken-online.de> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [HN] sugarbakers, was: Alexander Myers (Meyer) | Liebe Interessierte, | | es gibt zum Thema: | | Fock, Thomas, in: Zuckerindustrie, Heft 3, März 1985, S. 233-235 | | Über Londoner Zuckersiedereien und deutsche Arbeitskräfte | | Teil 1 | | | | Über Londoner Zuckersiedereien und deutsche Arbeitskräfte | | Teil 2: Zuckerindustrie ,Heft 5, Mai 1985, S. 426-432 GrußKlaus | Rieckenwww.Riecken-online.de----- Original Message ----- | From: "Falk Liebezeit" <FalkLiebe(a)t-online.de> | To: <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> | Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:54 PM | Subject: [HN] sugarbakers, was: Alexander Myers (Meyer) | | | Hello D. and Eberhard, | | It was published in the Maus (Bremen genealogical association) publication | on the speeches held at the 54. Deutscher Genealogentag(genealogical | conference) in Bremen 20th through 23rd of September 2002: | | Margrit Schulte Beerbühl/ Horst Rößler, Kaufleute und Zuckerbäcker. Zum | Verhältnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung am Beispiel der Deuschen | Englandwanderungen des 18. und 19. Jahrhunderts, in: über Bremen in die | Welt, hrsg. Die Maus. Gesellschaft für Familienforschung e.V., Bremen 2002, | S.107-120 | | Greetings from Diepholz | | Falk Liebezeit | | -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- | Von: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net | [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von | hannover-l-request(a)genealogy.net | Gesendet: Freitag, 4. 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Re: Alexander Myers (Meyer) (ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk) | | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Message: 1 | Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:52:01 -0500 | From: jmbtwb <jmbtwb(a)isd.net> | Subject: Re: [HN] Finding Great Grandfather | To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net | Message-ID: <44D1E361.7070803(a)isd.net> | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed | | Many times, it is very difficult to find the place of origin in Germany. | There is one source that is not mentioned very often which was very useful | for me. The source is church registration records in the U.S. When a new | member joins a church, they often have to register. In my case, I was | trying to find the place of birth of my oldest uncle. In the church | registration records of new members in my home town church, my grandparents | had to state the place and date of each baptism of the current family | members to document that they were members of the Lutheran church and had | been baptized. This information confirmed the place of baptism of each of | my grandparents and also my oldest uncle!! | I don't know if all churches had this kind of record, but it is sure worth | asking about. Unfortunately, as we are searching, if we don't ask the right | question, we don't get the right answer!! And, this is a source that many | people do not know about. | | I just returned from a wonderful trip to Germany visiting the areas of both | Magdeburg and Lüneburg. At the Lüneburg Stadtarchiv, I was searching for an | old address book to tell what houses my family lived in, which the archiv | did not have for the years I was searching. I continued to ask questions as | to what other records they had that would contain addresses. I ended up | searching through several tax record books (not indexed), eventually finding | my two families. I came home with wonderful old photos of my family homes | from the archives along with new photos!! So, if one door closes, hopefully | another door will open! | | Joanne Becker | St. Michael, Minnesota | | | | ------------------------------ | | Message: 2 | Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:38:40 +0200 | From: Eberhard Haering <eb.haering(a)t-online.de> | Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) | To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> | Message-ID: <44D25ED0.2040804(a)t-online.de> | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed | | d.foulkes schrieb: | | >I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later | known as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in | Liverpool around 1862. | >His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married in | Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last | one in 1894. | >He died in Liverpool 1912. | >______________________________________________ | > | >Hannover-L mailing list | >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net | >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l | > | > | > | Hello Mr./Mrs. no name, | if you are interested I may send you an article about German merchants and | sugar bakers (though written in German). It mainly deals with German | immigrants to England during the 18th and 19th century. The title is: | Margrit Schulte Beerbühl, Horst Rössler "Kaufleute und Zuckerbäcker - Zum | Verhältnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung der deutschen | Englandwanderung des 18. und 19.Jahrhunderts". Sorry, I don't know where and | when it was published. | Greetings from Bremen | Eberhard Haering | | | ------------------------------ | | Message: 3 | Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 06:59:04 +0100 | From: ksturges(a)tiscali.co.uk | Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) | To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> | Message-ID: <44CDFFA400013E2A(a)mail-6-uk.mail.tiscali.sys> | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" | | Dear Eberhard, | | My great, great grandfather was a sugarbaker who came to England about 1850 | from Hannover. His name was Diedrich Klinker. I wonder if you could send me | a copy of the article too. I'd be very grateful. | | Thanks and regards, | | Keith Sturges | | >-- Original Message -- | >Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:38:40 +0200 | >From: Eberhard Haering <eb.haering(a)t-online.de> | >To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> | >Subject: Re: [HN] Alexander Myers (Meyer) | >Reply-To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> | > | > | >d.foulkes schrieb: | > | >>I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer | >>later | >known as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in | >Liverpool around 1862. | >>His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He | >>married | >in Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being | >the last one in 1894. | >>He died in Liverpool 1912. | >>______________________________________________ | >> | >>Hannover-L mailing list | >>Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net | >>http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l | >> | >> | >> | >Hello Mr./Mrs. no name, | >if you are interested I may send you an article about German merchants | >and sugar bakers (though written in German). It mainly deals with | >German | > | >immigrants to England during the 18th and 19th century. The title is: | >Margrit Schulte Beerb?hl, Horst R?ssler "Kaufleute und Zuckerb?cker - | >Zum Verh?ltnis von Migrations- und Familienforschung der deutschen | >Englandwanderung des 18. und 19.Jahrhunderts". Sorry, I don't know | >where | > | >and when it was published. | >Greetings from Bremen | >Eberhard Haering | >______________________________________________ | > | >Hannover-L mailing list | >Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net | >http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l | | | ___________________________________________________________ | | Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! | http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ | | | | ------------------------------ | | _______________________________________________ | Hannover-L mailing list | Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net | http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l | | | Ende Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 33, Eintrag 5 | ******************************************************* | | ______________________________________________ | | Hannover-L mailing list | Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net | http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l | | ______________________________________________ | | Hannover-L mailing list | Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net | http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l | |
Date: 2006/08/04 17:49:10
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hello Loretta,
On the LDS (Mormon) website there is a listing of Willy Boesenberg,
christened 9 Dec 1859 in Hannover Stadt. That could fit with a Nov. 12 1859
birth.
His parents are:
Heinrich Wilhelm Boesenberg and Sophie Wilhelmine Gruender.
Good luck!
on 8/4/06 6:23 AM, LoliNettling(a)aol.com at LoliNettling(a)aol.com wrote:
> Liebe Liste,
>
> hat jemand zufaellig irgendwelche Bösenberg (Boesenberg) aus Hannover (Stadt
> oder Land) in seinen Unterlagen? Mein Urgrossvater hiess Wilhelm Bösenberg,
> geb.am 12.Nov.1859 in Hannover/Stadt oder Land, gest. am 24. Feb.1939 in
> Gross Lafferde, verheiratet mit Minna (Wilhelmine?) Lüddeke (Lueddeke) aus
> Gross
> Lafferde.
>
> Ich suche die Geschwister von Wilhelm Bösenberg und die Eltern, wenn
> möglich.Eine Schwester (Marie) wanderte in die USA aus (wann? und wohin??)
>
> Für jede Auskunft wäre ich sehr dankbar! Loretta Nettling
>
>
> Dear members of the list,
>
> if anyone would have any Boesenberg (Bösenberg) from Hannover (city or
> kingdom) in his research, I would be very grateful for any information.
>
> My greatgrandfather was Wilhelm Boesenberg (Bösenberg), born in Hannover on
> Nov.12,1859, later married Minna (=Wilhelmine?) Lueddeke (Lüddeke) in Gross
> Lafferde where he also died on Feb.24, 1939.
>
> I am searching for the names of his sisters and brothers and if possible,
> his parents.One of his sisters (=Marie) emigrated to the US (when?? and
> where
> to???)
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Loretta Nettling (email: _LoliNettling(a)aol.com_
> (mailto:LoliNettling(a)aol.com) )
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Date: 2006/08/04 18:41:19
From: bmspeckman <bmspeckman(a)aol.com>
Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below) I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their Saint's Day (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is when asked for their birthdate, they would give the Saint's Day and their birth year as their birthdate (instead of their date of birth). I have been told that this might be why some Germans in my family seem to have two sets of birth days. First of all, have any of you heard this same theory? Second, if this is true, does anyone know where I might find a list of Saint's Days? My realatives were Catholic. Thanks for your help, Friendly Greetings, German Version from computer translation Liebe Hanover Listers, Ich bin erklärt worden, daß einige Deutsche im 1800s Tag ihres Heiligen (Tag des Jahres) als ihr "Geburtstag" verwenden würden. Das ist, wenn es um ihren Geburtstag gebeten wird, würden sie den Tag des Heiligen und ihr Geburt Jahr als ihr Geburtstag geben (anstelle von ihrem Geburtsdatum). Ich bin erklärt worden, daß dieses sein konnte, warum einige Deutsche in meiner Familie scheinen, zwei Sätze Geburt Tage zu haben. Zuerst von allen, haben irgendwelche von Ihnen diese gleicheTheorie gehört? Zweitens wenn dieses zutreffend ist, weiß jemand, wo ich eine Liste von Tagen Heiligen finden konnte? Dank für Ihre Hilfe, Freundliche Grüße, Barney Speckman ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
Date: 2006/08/04 19:59:58
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
Many times, it is very difficult to find the place of origin in Germany. There is one source that is not mentioned very often which was very useful for me. The source is church registration records in the U.S. When a new member joins a church, they often have to register. In my case, I was trying to find the place of birth of my oldest uncle. In the church registration records of new members in my home town church, my grandparents had to state the place and date of each baptism of the current family members to document that they were members of the Lutheran church and had been baptized. This information confirmed the place of baptism of each of my grandparents and also my oldest uncle!! I don't know if all churches had this kind of record, but it is sure worth asking about. Unfortunately, as we are searching, if we don't ask the right question, we don't get the right answer!! And, this is a source that many people do not know about.
I just returned from a wonderful trip to Germany visiting the areas of both Magdeburg and Lüneburg. At the Lüneburg Stadtarchiv, I was searching for an old address book to tell what houses my family lived in, which the archiv did not have for the years I was searching. I continued to ask questions as to what other records they had that would contain addresses. I ended up searching through several tax record books (not indexed), eventually finding my two families. I came home with wonderful old photos of my family homes from the archives along with new photos!! So, if one door closes, hopefully another door will open!
Joanne Becker St. Michael, Minnesota
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Date: 2006/08/04 20:11:32
From: FuP Hestermann <frohestory(a)web.de>
Hallo, on this site you can look for the Saint's days: http://www.katholische-kirche.de/namenstag.asp In earlier days catholic people didn't celebrate their birthday. They only celebrated the Saint's day. I believe that is why some people did't know when their birthday was. Best wishes Felicitas and Peter (Hestermann) > -----Original Message----- > From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of bmspeckman(a)aol.com > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 6:41 PM > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: [HN] Saint's Dates > > > Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below) > > I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their > Saint's Day (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is when > asked for their birthdate, they would give the Saint's Day and > their birth year as their birthdate (instead of their date of > birth). I have been told that this might be why some Germans in > my family seem to have two sets of birth days. > > First of all, have any of you heard this same theory? > Second, if this is true, does anyone know where I might find a > list of Saint's Days? My realatives were Catholic. > > Thanks for your help, > > Friendly Greetings, > > German Version from computer translation > > Liebe Hanover Listers, > Ich bin erklärt worden, daß einige Deutsche im 1800s Tag ihres > Heiligen (Tag des Jahres) als ihr "Geburtstag" verwenden würden. > Das ist, wenn es um ihren Geburtstag gebeten wird, würden sie den > Tag des Heiligen und ihr Geburt Jahr als ihr Geburtstag geben > (anstelle von ihrem Geburtsdatum). Ich bin erklärt worden, daß > dieses sein konnte, warum einige Deutsche in meiner Familie > scheinen, zwei Sätze Geburt Tage zu haben. > Zuerst von allen, haben irgendwelche von Ihnen diese > gleicheTheorie gehört? > Zweitens wenn dieses zutreffend ist, weiß jemand, wo ich eine > Liste von Tagen Heiligen finden konnte? > Dank für Ihre Hilfe, > Freundliche Grüße, > Barney Speckman > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2006/08/04 20:30:40
From: Rainer Dörry <rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de>
Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below)It will probably concern the name days. The Kalendarium contains both the names of the most important holy one and blessed one (name from the liturgical calendar, diocese and patronage-holy)
I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their Saint's Day (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is when asked for their birthdate, they would give the Saint's Day and their birth year as their birthdate (instead of their date of birth). I have been told that this might be why some Germans in my family seem to have two sets of birth days.
First of all, have any of you heard this same theory? Second, if this is true, does anyone know where I might find a list of Saint's Days? My realatives were Catholic.
-- Rainer Doerry, Paradiesstr. 28, 65396 Walluf Tel.: 06123-993221 - Fax: 01212-5-114-27-216 Handy: 0173-3100315 - email: rainer(a)rainer-doerry.de http://www.rainer-doerry.de/Ahnenforschung/
Date: 2006/08/04 20:32:06
From: bmspeckman <bmspeckman(a)aol.com>
Hallo Frau Felicitas and Herr Peter (Hestermann), Thank you for the information. I see from the web site that some names have more than one date which makes this even more interesting. For example, Hermann is listed on four days (7.4, 21.5, 6.8 and 24.9). Thanks again, Friendly Greetings, Barney Speckman -----Original Message----- From: frohestory(a)web.de To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Sent: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [HN] Saint's Dates Hallo, on this site you can look for the Saint's days: http://www.katholische-kirche.de/namenstag.asp In earlier days catholic people didn't celebrate their birthday. They only celebrated the Saint's day. I believe that is why some people did't know when their birthday was. Best wishes Felicitas and Peter (Hestermann) > -----Original Message----- > From: hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net > [mailto:hannover-l-bounces(a)genealogy.net]On Behalf Of bmspeckman(a)aol.com > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 6:41 PM > To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net > Subject: [HN] Saint's Dates > > > Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below) > > I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their > Saint's Day (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is when > asked for their birthdate, they would give the Saint's Day and > their birth year as their birthdate (instead of their date of > birth). I have been told that this might be why some Germans in > my family seem to have two sets of birth days. > > First of all, have any of you heard this same theory? > Second, if this is true, does anyone know where I might find a > list of Saint's Days? My realatives were Catholic. > > Thanks for your help, > > Friendly Greetings, > > German Version from computer translation > > Liebe Hanover Listers, > Ich bin erklärt worden, daß einige Deutsche im 1800s Tag ihres > Heiligen (Tag des Jahres) als ihr "Geburtstag" verwenden würden. > Das ist, wenn es um ihren Geburtstag gebeten wird, würden sie den > Tag des Heiligen und ihr Geburt Jahr als ihr Geburtstag geben > (anstelle von ihrem Geburtsdatum). Ich bin erklärt worden, daß > dieses sein konnte, warum einige Deutsche in meiner Familie > scheinen, zwei Sätze Geburt Tage zu haben. > Zuerst von allen, haben irgendwelche von Ihnen diese > gleicheTheorie gehört? > Zweitens wenn dieses zutreffend ist, weiß jemand, wo ich eine > Liste von Tagen Heiligen finden konnte? > Dank für Ihre Hilfe, > Freundliche Grüße, > Barney Speckman > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, > email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ______________________________________________ Hannover-L mailing list Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
Date: 2006/08/04 21:00:19
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net>
Hi Barney,
I'm about as Catholic as they come. My ancestry is totally German, from
Westfalen, Rheinland, and Hannover. My husband's German side came from
Bavaria. Children may have been born on a certain feastday of a saint and
then take that saint's name. It is more common to find a birthdate and a
baptismal date. With my research in Germany and England, I often cannot find
a birthdate at all, only a baptismal date.
Look here to find the long lists of Saints' days:
http://www.catholic.org/saints/f_day/aug.php
Barbara
on 8/4/06 10:41 AM, bmspeckman(a)aol.com at bmspeckman(a)aol.com wrote:
> Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below)
>
> I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their Saint's Day
> (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is when asked for their birthdate,
> they would give the Saint's Day and their birth year as their birthdate
> (instead of their date of birth). I have been told that this might be why some
> Germans in my family seem to have two sets of birth days.
>
> First of all, have any of you heard this same theory?
> Second, if this is true, does anyone know where I might find a list of Saint's
> Days? My realatives were Catholic.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Friendly Greetings,
>
> German Version from computer translation
>
> Liebe Hanover Listers,
> Ich bin erklärt worden, daß einige Deutsche im 1800s Tag ihres Heiligen (Tag
> des Jahres) als ihr "Geburtstag" verwenden würden. Das ist, wenn es um ihren
> Geburtstag gebeten wird, würden sie den Tag des Heiligen und ihr Geburt Jahr
> als ihr Geburtstag geben (anstelle von ihrem Geburtsdatum). Ich bin erklärt
> worden, daß dieses sein konnte, warum einige Deutsche in meiner Familie
> scheinen, zwei Sätze Geburt Tage zu haben.
> Zuerst von allen, haben irgendwelche von Ihnen diese gleicheTheorie gehört?
> Zweitens wenn dieses zutreffend ist, weiß jemand, wo ich eine Liste von Tagen
> Heiligen finden konnte?
> Dank für Ihre Hilfe,
> Freundliche Grüße,
> Barney Speckman
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Date: 2006/08/04 21:37:08
From: Werner Honkomp <werner(a)honkomp.de>
Hello Barney, I have grown up in a Roman Catholic area, called Oldenburger-Münsterland (southern of the Oldenburg province). When I was still a child, we knew two personal holidays. Birthday(Geburstag) and name day(Namenstag). The Namenstag was the day of Saint Werner. The Geburtstag was always important and got given a little. Not however to the Namenstag. We have forgotten the Namenstag today, but here a URL to a Saint calendar(Heiligenkalender): http://www.offizialatsbezirk-oldenburg.de/index.php?myELEMENT=69533 Sincerely, Werner Honkomp > Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below) > I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their Saint's > Day (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is when asked for their > birthdate, they would give the Saint's Day and their birth year as their > birthdate (instead of their date of birth). I have been told that this > might be why some Germans in my family seem to have two sets of birth > days. > First of all, have any of you heard this same theory? > Second, if this is true, does anyone know where I might find a list of > Saint's Days? My realatives were Catholic. > Thanks for your help, > Friendly Greetings, > German Version from computer translation > Liebe Hanover Listers, > Ich bin erklärt worden, daß einige Deutsche im 1800s Tag ihres Heiligen > (Tag des Jahres) als ihr "Geburtstag" verwenden würden. Das ist, wenn es > um ihren Geburtstag gebeten wird, würden sie den Tag des Heiligen und ihr > Geburt Jahr als ihr Geburtstag geben (anstelle von ihrem Geburtsdatum). > Ich bin erklärt worden, daß dieses sein konnte, warum einige Deutsche in > meiner Familie scheinen, zwei Sätze Geburt Tage zu haben. > Zuerst von allen, haben irgendwelche von Ihnen diese gleicheTheorie > gehört? > Zweitens wenn dieses zutreffend ist, weiß jemand, wo ich eine Liste von > Tagen Heiligen finden konnte? > Dank für Ihre Hilfe, > Freundliche Grüße, > Barney Speckman > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and > IM. All on demand. Always Free. > ______________________________________________ > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l
Date: 2006/08/04 21:49:53
From: mmongoose <mmongoose(a)tds.net>
Date: 2006/08/04 23:47:01
From: p . kuske <p.kuske(a)freenet.de>
ja ich weiß ! Sorry Hannover, aber da habe ich schon einiges gehört !!! habe einen Verwandten der in Amerika wohnt. Wir haben uns über die Ahnenforschung wiedergefunden ! Der hat keine Auskünfte bekommen, weil sein Ur- Großvater einmal geschieden war und er nicht das nötige deutsch drauf hatte. Die Formulierung war falsch ! Und wichtig !! Datenschutz - ca. 100 Jahre rückwärts ! :-? Wenn du nicht in direkter Linie verwandt bist, gibt es Probleme ! ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: [HN] Suche in Hannover nach SCHWERDTHELM und GRUPE- Adressbuch? Gesendet: Mi 02 Aug 2006 09:04:52 CEST Von: Petra.Tr(a)t-online.de > > Hallo Petra ;-P > > > Ja, leider. in der Geburtsurkunde meiner Oma stehen nur die Namen > ihrer Eltern und dass sie zu diesem Zeitpunkt in Osterode am Harz > gewohnt haben( dort, wo meine Oma geboren ist). > > Ein Heirats - oder Sterbeeintrag der Eltern findet sich in Osterode > nicht. > > Ich habe dann aus Hannover die Heiratsurkunde meiner Oma angefordert- > sie hatte dort am 30.08.1923 geheiratet. > > > Dort wird zu ihren Eltern ünerhaupt keine Angabe gemacht. > > Lediglich einer der Trauzeugen wird mit Karl Schwerdthelm angegeben, > 65-jährig. > > Es könnte also ihr Vater oder Onkel gewesen sein. > > > Leider ist das Standesamt in Hannover ziemlich restriktiv, was > Auskünfte angeht. > > Meine Urgroßeltern hießen ja Karl Friedrich Adolf Schwerdthelm und > Auguste Dorothee Karoline , geb. > Grupe > > In der Mormonen-Datenbank habe ich nun einen > > Adolf Friedrich Karl Schwerdthelm gefunden, der mit einer Johanna > Elisa Augusta Grupe verheiratet war und die mindestens 2 Kinder hatten > die 1855 und 1890 in Hannover geboren sind. > > Ich vermute ja, dass der Herr mein Urgroßvater IST( der Vornamen > wegen), aber mangels Daten (Geburt, Heirat etc.) habe ich keinerlei > Möglichkeit, das Standesamt Hannover zum Suchen zu bewegen. > > Bei Johanna Elisa Augusta Grupe ( von der ich annehme, sie könnte > eine Schwester meiner Urgroßmutter sein) wurde mir zwar mitgeteilt, > dass es Urkunden gäbe, aber da ich nicht nachweisen kann, dass ich mit > ihr verwandt bin, bekommen ich keine Auskünfte. > > > Es ist zum Verzweifeln. > > > Gruß > > Petra > > > > -----ursprüngliche Nachricht----------- > > Hallo Petra , :-) > hast du in den standesamtlichen Bescheinigungen auch nur Namen > gefunden? Hier hatte ich meist Glück, wenn in den Kirchenbüchern > nichts hilfreiches stand. > Die Meldekarteien sind auch ganz hifreich. Die sind aber von Ort zu > Ort unterschiedlich gelagert, und meistens müssen, meines Wissens > nach, die Personen erst 100 Jahre verstorben sein, um dort zu landen. > Ich glaube das liegt am Datenschutz ! > Eventuell kann jemand mich berichtigen, wenn ich falsch liege. > Hausbücher gibt es in Hannover ! Anders als in meinem kleinen Ort. > Eventuell könnten noch Einwohnerzählungen helfen. > Liebe Grüße sendet dir Petra :-) > ______________________________________________ > > Hannover-L mailing list > Hannover-L(a)genealogy.net > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l > --- original Nachricht Ende ---- "Jetzt Handykosten senken mit klarmobil - 14 Ct./Min.! Hier klicken" http://www.klarmobil.de/index.html?pid=73025
Date: 2006/08/05 00:01:21
From: J b <johnbrene(a)hotmail.com>
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Saint's Dates Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:00:05 -0600
Hi Barney,
I'm about as Catholic as they come. My ancestry is totally German, from
Westfalen, Rheinland, and Hannover. My husband's German side came from
Bavaria. Children may have been born on a certain feastday of a saint and
then take that saint's name. It is more common to find a birthdate and a
baptismal date. With my research in Germany and England, I often cannot find
a birthdate at all, only a baptismal date.
Look here to find the long lists of Saints' days:
http://www.catholic.org/saints/f_day/aug.php
Barbara
on 8/4/06 10:41 AM, bmspeckman(a)aol.com at bmspeckman(a)aol.com wrote:
> Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below)
>
> I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their Saint's Day
> (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is when asked for their birthdate,
> they would give the Saint's Day and their birth year as their birthdate
> (instead of their date of birth). I have been told that this might be why some
> Germans in my family seem to have two sets of birth days.
>
> First of all, have any of you heard this same theory?
> Second, if this is true, does anyone know where I might find a list of Saint's
> Days? My realatives were Catholic.
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> Friendly Greetings,
>
> German Version from computer translation
>
> Liebe Hanover Listers,
> Ich bin erklärt worden, daß einige Deutsche im 1800s Tag ihres Heiligen (Tag
> des Jahres) als ihr "Geburtstag" verwenden würden. Das ist, wenn es um ihren
> Geburtstag gebeten wird, würden sie den Tag des Heiligen und ihr Geburt Jahr
> als ihr Geburtstag geben (anstelle von ihrem Geburtsdatum). Ich bin erklärt
> worden, daß dieses sein konnte, warum einige Deutsche in meiner Familie
> scheinen, zwei Sätze Geburt Tage zu haben.
> Zuerst von allen, haben irgendwelche von Ihnen diese gleicheTheorie gehört?
> Zweitens wenn dieses zutreffend ist, weiß jemand, wo ich eine Liste von Tagen
> Heiligen finden konnte?
> Dank für Ihre Hilfe,
> Freundliche Grüße,
> Barney Speckman
Date: 2006/08/05 11:21:54
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>
Liebe Familienforscher! Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Wer kann helfen? Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn
Date: 2006/08/05 19:27:37
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
hat jemand zufaellig irgendwelche Gansberg aus Hannover oder Bremen in seinen Unterlagen?
Mein Urgrossvater hiess Johann Friedrich Heinrich "Fritz" Gansberg, geb. 1849 in Hannover/Bremen, gest. 1919 in Jersey City, New Jersey, USA auf jahrs 70.
Ich suche die Geschwister von Fritz Gansberg und die Eltern.
Für jede Auskunft wäre ich sehr dankbar! Maureen in Chicago
if anyone would have any Gansberg from Hannover or Bremen in his research, I would be very grateful for any information.
My greatgrandfather was John Frederick Henry "Fritz" Gansberg, born in Hannover/Bremen 1849 and died 1919 in Jersey City, New Jersey, USA.
Maureen in Chicago (Thanks for the German, Loretta!) ______________________________________________
Date: 2006/08/05 20:47:37
From: 320097756779-0001 <320097756779-0001(a)t-online.de>
für Georg FRIDERICI In Chile, der hoffentlich gesund und noch Listenleser ist, eine aktuelle Traueranzeige aus der Lüneburger Landeszeitung von Freitag, den 4.August: "...Gudrun Niewisch-Friederici, * 23.November 1921 - + 29.Juli 2006, in Liebe nehmen Abschied Till, Ivo, Antje, Reiner und Lutz mit Familien, Barckhausenstr. 4, 21335 Lüneburg, Traueran-schrift Ivo Niewisch, Witzendorffstr.27, 21339 Lüneburg,..., Trauerfeier ... Montag 9.August ... Waldfriedhof ... spätere Urnenbeisetzung ...." mit den besten Wünschen Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel
Date: 2006/08/05 21:35:58
From: Ralf G. Jordan <ahnen(a)rgjordan.de>
Hallo, Bei einer erneuten Vertiefung in die Ahnenforschung stiess ich bei Hildesheim auf den "Beruf" des Wahlkothsassen. Bei den bäuerlichen Berufen sind mir Kothsasse, Brinksitzer oder Halbspänner mittlerweiler durchaus geläufig, nur den oben genannten Wahl-Kothsassen kann ich nicht einordnen. Bedeutet das Wahl, dass der Kothsasse sich den Ort ausgewählt hat oder hat das Wahl andere Wurzeln? Das Kirchenbuch ist auch derart deutlich geschrieben, dass ein Verlesen rel. unwahrscheinlich erscheint. Mit bestem Dank für Eure Hilfen Ein neugieriger Ralf
Date: 2006/08/05 23:51:47
From: Maureen <mcshelly2(a)msn.com>
And I'm about as heathen as they come and can tell you some things never
change. While certain exceptions may apply, I doubt any large blanket
scenario like the one you originally theorized holds much weight when
weighed across the board Barney. More than likely it all comes down the the
family or individuals in question, the educations they were or were not
afforded, and the over all circumstances they found themselves in
(financial, spiritual, degree of stability, etc.), beyond time and place of
course. One can imagine the local or regional church authority had a certain
say in this also, in what was and wasn't chosen to be recorded in their
registers, and this added to any ongoing confusion. Or perhaps lacking the
true date, some folks opted to adopt the only other reasonable or known
alternative: their saint's day (sounds good to me). ;) If it were truly a
widespread practice in the 19th century in Germany, someone offer up what
details are known please! Perhaps this will explain why the origins of uncle
Otto never fits anything (and I know that guy was no saint). :-)
If it weren't for the increased documentation by the state with the
progression of time, many even today might not know their birth date, hard
as that may be to believe. I am still prone to forget my own exact age and
even birthdays on occasion, though this is more out of denial than any
creeping sense of senility I suspect (started during my thirties I recall).
Ah yes, and they say most things get better with age. My retort: sweet 16,
kindly come again!
Raised by a Catholic mother and jack-Protestant father (with plenty of nuns
in the mix) so what should you expect. I still look at my birth certificate
and suspect forgery. There is NO way I'm that old!
Happily heathen but fearing judgment day [plonk!]
Jb
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> Subject: Re: [HN] Saint's Dates Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:00:05 -0600
Hi Barney,
I'm about as Catholic as they come. My ancestry is totally German, from Westfalen, Rheinland, and Hannover. My husband's German side came from Bavaria. Children may have been born on a certain feastday of a saint and then take that saint's name. It is more common to find a birthdate and a baptismal date. With my research in Germany and England, I often cannot find a birthdate at all, only a baptismal date. Look here to find the long lists of Saints' days:
http://www.catholic.org/saints/f_day/aug.php
Barbara
on 8/4/06 10:41 AM, bmspeckman(a)aol.com at bmspeckman(a)aol.com wrote:
> Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below) > > I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their Saint's Day > (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is when asked for their birthdate, > they would give the Saint's Day and their birth year as their birthdate > (instead of their date of birth). I have been told that this might be why some > Germans in my family seem to have two sets of birth days. > > First of all, have any of you heard this same theory? > Second, if this is true, does anyone know where I might find a list of Saint's > Days? My realatives were Catholic. > > Thanks for your help, > > Friendly Greetings, > > German Version from computer translation > > Liebe Hanover Listers, > Ich bin erklärt worden, daß einige Deutsche im 1800s Tag ihres Heiligen (Tag > des Jahres) als ihr "Geburtstag" verwenden würden. Das ist, wenn es um ihren > Geburtstag gebeten wird, würden sie den Tag des Heiligen und ihr Geburt Jahr > als ihr Geburtstag geben (anstelle von ihrem Geburtsdatum). Ich bin erklärt > worden, daß dieses sein konnte, warum einige Deutsche in meiner Familie > scheinen, zwei Sätze Geburt Tage zu haben. > Zuerst von allen, haben irgendwelche von Ihnen diese gleicheTheorie gehört? > Zweitens wenn dieses zutreffend ist, weiß jemand, wo ich eine Liste von Tagen > Heiligen finden konnte? > Dank für Ihre Hilfe, > Freundliche Grüße, > Barney Speckman
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Date: 2006/08/06 05:23:51
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Kothsasse = kleinen Landwirt term = small farmer
Kötner auch Kätner, Kossät, Cossat, Kotsaß***
Bei einer erneuten Vertiefung in die Ahnenforschung stiess ich bei Hildesheim auf den "Beruf" des Wahlkothsassen.
Bei den bäuerlichen Berufen sind mir Kothsasse, Brinksitzer oder Halbspänner mittlerweiler durchaus geläufig, nur den oben genannten Wahl-Kothsassen kann ich nicht einordnen. Bedeutet das Wahl, dass der Kothsasse sich den Ort ausgewählt hat oder hat das Wahl andere Wurzeln?
Das Kirchenbuch ist auch derart deutlich geschrieben, dass ein Verlesen rel. unwahrscheinlich erscheint.
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Date: 2006/08/06 05:35:25
From: Cactus Flower <barbie8674(a)hotmail.com>
Bei einer erneuten Vertiefung in die Ahnenforschung stiess ich bei Hildesheim auf den "Beruf" des Wahlkothsassen.
Bei den bäuerlichen Berufen sind mir Kothsasse, Brinksitzer oder Halbspänner mittlerweiler durchaus geläufig, nur den oben genannten Wahl-Kothsassen kann ich nicht einordnen. Bedeutet das Wahl, dass der Kothsasse sich den Ort ausgewählt hat oder hat das Wahl andere Wurzeln?
Das Kirchenbuch ist auch derart deutlich geschrieben, dass ein Verlesen rel. unwahrscheinlich erscheint.
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Date: 2006/08/06 07:55:27
From: Jan Timphaus <jan(a)timphaus.de>
Hallo Liste, ich habe wegen Systemumstellung / Hardwareänderung meine Email Adresse geändert. Ab sofort bin ich in Fragen der Ahnenforschung über folgende Adresse erreichbar: ahnenforschung(a)timphaus.de Gruß Jan Timphaus Hello List, in case of system change and hardware change i have change my email: genealogy(a)timphaus.de Regards Jan Timphaus
Date: 2006/08/06 15:47:34
From: Rena McCarthy <rena(a)rena24.fsnet.co.uk>
Rena in England P.S. Below are some other records which the AGFHS hold:
Len Metzner's Indexes Anglo German Fam.History Soc. (AGFHS) German Protestant Churches outside London German Evangelical Church, Bradford (at church) Marriages and Confirmations 1877-1940 German Evangelical Church, Hull (at church) Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1881-1989 Sunderland Baptisms, Marriages, Communicants and Burials 1863-1914 South Shields Baptisms, Marriages, Confirmations and Burials 1904-1939 Manchester Marriages 1875-1949
Volume7 King's German Legion Officers by Alan Longbottom
Volume 8 Foreign Corps in the British Army Chelsea Pensioners (Foreign) 1811-1817 (1,500 entries) 60th Regiment 1803-1820 British Foreign Legion 1855-1856 (4,500 entries) Hanoverian Soldiers in Hospital in Maidstone 1757, plus many others
Volume 8a King's German Legion (all battalions) King's German Legion (20,000 entries) King's German Legion at Waterloo 1815-1817 2,000 entries)
Volume 9 Hannover Maternity Hospital Births 1811-1879 Mother's and Father's names and dates. Leads to an LDS film with more information on places etc
Not available to non-members ========================= Date: 2006/08/02 22:23:53 From: d.foulkes <d.foulkes(a)tiscali.co.uk>
I am looking for the birthplace of my grandfather Alexander Meyer later known
as Myers who left the Hannover area to work as a sugar baker in Liverpool
around 1862.
His father was either Alexander,a farmer or William a butcher.He married in
Liverpool in 1865 and had 2 further marriages,my grandmother being the last
one in 1894.
He died in Liverpool 1912.
Date: 2006/08/06 16:52:54
From: Wolf Igmar Mispelhorn <wimisp(a)online.de>
Liebe Familienforscher! Wer hat diese Namen in seiner AL?
Ich suche nach den Geburtsorten und den jeweiligen Eltern. Meine vorliegenden Daten: Marie Margarethe Mayers * um 1695 Ehemann: Johann Jürgen Mispelhorn * um 1691 Sohn: Johann Ludwig Mispelhorn Wer kann helfen? Ich freue mich über jeden Hinweis Wolf-Igmar Mispelhorn
Date: 2006/08/06 20:23:48
From: Klaus Kunze <KJ.Kunze(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste,
wer forscht im Weserbergland im Umkreis von Holenberg / Golmbach ( Holzminden )
nach der Familie VERWOHL. Die letzten Eintragungen im Kirchbuch der
ev.Klosterkirche Amelungsborn.
VERWOHL Heinrich Friedrich * wann und wo ??
+ wann und wo
oo 11.11.1800 in der Klosterkirche Amelungsborn
RITTERBUSCH Justine Wilhelmine Johanne * wann und wo ??
+ wann und wo
Danach verliert sich die Spur. Sollte im Umkreis von Holenberg - Golmbach
usw. forschen, bitte ich, wenns möglich ist, auf den Namen Verwohl ( es
gibt auch andere Schreibweisen ) sowie auf Ritterbusch zu achten. Vielleicht
habe ich ja Glück.
Mit freundlichem Gruß aus dem Harzvorland
Klaus
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Date: 2006/08/06 20:24:55
From: Klaus Kunze <KJ.Kunze(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste,
wer forscht im Weserbergland ??? im Umkreis von Brökeln ( Bodenwerder )
nach der Familie KUNZE. Der letzte Eintrag im Kirchbuch der ev.Kirchengemeinde
Brökeln ist von 1799.
KUNZE Friedrich Anton Heinrich * 07.03.1799 Brökeln
+ wann und wo ???
oo wann und wo ???
Ehefrau. ???
Danach habe ich keine gesicherten Daten aus Brökeln mehr. Sollte jemand in den
ev.luth. + kath.Kirchengemeinden forschen, bitte ich, wenn es möglich ist,
auf den Namen KUNZE zu achten. Vielleicht habe ich ja etwas Glück.
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Klaus
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Date: 2006/08/06 20:31:02
From: Klaus Kunze <KJ.Kunze(a)t-online.de>
Hallo Liste,
wer hat den Namen GEHRKE aus Alt-Wallmoden-Goslar in seiner Ahnenliste ???
GEHRKE / GERICKE Heinrich Conrad * 11.04.1784 Alt-Wallmoden
+ wann und wo ???
oo wann und wo ???
BÜLTEMANN Johanna Marie Sophie Eleonore * 21.04.1788 in Haverlah
+ wann und wo ??
Ferner suche ich die Eltern von oben genannten Personen.
Mit freundlichem Gruß
Klaus
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Date: 2006/08/07 01:16:43
From: bmspeckman <bmspeckman(a)aol.com>
To Barbara, Werner, Rainer, and jb Thanks for your help toward my undertanding the Saint's Days and Dates. Barney Speckman -----Original Message----- From: johnbrene(a)hotmail.com To: hannover-l(a)genealogy.net Sent: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [HN] Saint's Dates And I'm about as heathen as they come and can tell you some things never change. While certain exceptions may apply, I doubt any large blanket scenario like the one you originally theorized holds much weight when weighed across the board Barney. More than likely it all comes down the the family or individuals in question, the educations they were or were not afforded, and the over all circumstances they found themselves in (financial, spiritual, degree of stability, etc.), beyond time and place of course. One can imagine the local or regional church authority had a certain say in this also, in what was and wasn't chosen to be recorded in their registers, and this added to any ongoing confusion. Or perhaps lacking the true date, some folks opted to adopt the only other reasonable or known alternative: their saint's day (sounds good to me). ;) If it were truly a widespread practice in the 19th century in Germany, someone offer up what details are known please! Perhaps this will explain why the origins of uncle Otto never fits anything (and I know that guy was no saint). :-) If it weren't for the increased documentation by the state with the progression of time, many even today might not know their birth date, hard as that may be to believe. I am still prone to forget my own exact age and even birthdays on occasion, though this is more out of denial than any creeping sense of senility I suspect (started during my thirties I recall). Ah yes, and they say most things get better with age. My retort: sweet 16, kindly come again! Raised by a Catholic mother and jack-Protestant father (with plenty of nuns in the mix) so what should you expect. I still look at my birth certificate and suspect forgery. There is NO way I'm that old! Happily heathen but fearing judgment day [plonk!] Jb >From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara(a)comcast.net> >To: Hannover-L <hannover-l(a)genealogy.net> >Subject: Re: [HN] Saint's Dates >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:00:05 -0600 > >Hi Barney, > > I'm about as Catholic as they come. My ancestry is totally German, >from >Westfalen, Rheinland, and Hannover. My husband's German side came from >Bavaria. Children may have been born on a certain feastday of a saint and >then take that saint's name. It is more common to find a birthdate and a >baptismal date. With my research in Germany and England, I often cannot >find >a birthdate at all, only a baptismal date. > Look here to find the long lists of Saints' days: > > http://www.catholic.org/saints/f_day/aug.php > >Barbara > > >on 8/4/06 10:41 AM, bmspeckman(a)aol.com at bmspeckman(a)aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Hanover Listers, (German Version Below) > > > > I have been told that some Germans in the 1800s would use their Saint's >Day > > (day of the year) as their "birthday". That is